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Gordon Sondland testifies as Mick Mulvaney alludes to a conspiracy theory
"Coach every weeknight will give you updates and analysis into the incredibly fast moving impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump in a few minutes. We'll be talking to everyone. I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment he basically gave his side of the story about what was going on behind the scenes over the past several months while told name probably most listeners have never heard of him many journalists have not considered him to be a key player before this entire inquiry sorta issues right here because today he went on the hill and testified under oath sort of to protect himself a little bit saying when I was sworn in as passenger in the package of materials that I received as told what I needed to focus on was Ukraine that was a year ago before any of this stuff came up so surprising development that you saw in his prepared statement when he was going in to testify this morning Yeah Gordon Sunland right not a hell the president clearly in that phone call we all read the transcript it was about Biden now Gordon Sunland testimony today says it was more about it became the number one issue he's important here because he was one of the players that was talking with Rudy Giuliani talking with Donald Trump talked I have to listen to what the President says and a big trump donor fundraiser comes from sort of his world of hotels more than a world for CNN reporter and producer Marshall Cohen. Welcome to the podcast thanks for having me Marshall so today big big witness up on Capitol Hill so what when you when you read through that opening statement what stood out and what questions if you were on one of these diplomacy yeah as hill note though he noted today he's donated to Democrats and Republicans but definitely a big time huge donor to the trump inauguration oh he said clearly I'm an appointee of the President I take directions from the president but I am here to tell the truth that's in his statement and gene the ambassador to the e U Sunland who is a critical I think Jose critical position in the entire directly tie this to buy in a way that could be legally troubling but I was really struck by the fact that Gordon Sunlen trump appointee trump donor members of the administration were trying to get something from the new Ukrainian president and different people had different views of what that was. Committee's would you WANNA be asking it you know it was it was interesting statement long lengthy it seemed it seemed like he was trying to come off as very even handed he was there on the ground in Europe he had not only worth noting Ukraine not me you now on the part of his portfolio well and that's that's actually one of the you know it's kind of weird they're not e- you but it's important and that whole defense was look the president cares about this issue I take orders from the President Fire Ukraine story that is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry so I when I get from you why is he such a critical witness and what was the most eruption and it was more about helping us take a look back at what happened in two thousand sixteen you know sort of trying to make sure that they don't with the Ukrainians about investigations into corruption all of the issues that are now at the heart of what Democrats are looking at here did not totally toe the trump line you know he was not one hundred percent there he did not give trump's talking points behind closed doors what was the biggest way he did not to the trouble and how would you say is the biggest break well one of them would be that he said in no uncertain terms that military aid to Ukraine should never there have been withheld period full stop for any reason for any reason and the reason that he thinks it should never been withheld and it's in his testimony is because they need that aid to fight Russia so that's a big part of this too now the aid was held up at the direction of the president himself and we're learning more and more about that today even but that's a big break because you've heard the White House saying yes the aid was held up that's totally acceptable sunland about his thinking when he was told to work with Giuliani what went through his totally normal nothing wrong with it and now this key player is saying on the hill that should have never happened and do we have any sense from writing misinformation and budging into a process the has no role in but he said that they were uncomfortable essentially and a bit confused signed to give any insight into that he speaks to that now he did not condemn Giuliani in the way that some of the other witnesses have come in and said that Giuliani was but at the end of the day Sunlen says when the president asks you to talk to Rudy Giuliani you work for the president you call Rudy Giuliani and is not in lockstep with Donald Trump right now the White House said in no uncertain terms this INCRI is illegal and unconstitutional the administration had no intention whatsoever of cooperating in any way with this inquiry. Oh that's a great point David also highlights the fact that he twenty did and Is there any sense why he was testifying at all I thought I thought the White House made clear to the hill that was about his personal reputation or do you think he was trying to carve out some defenses for that he was doing more today to protect Gordon Sunlen or to protect Donald Trump was he do you think his mission was administration and they are testifying so that's a big break and when you read through what he said as we learn more reporting of what he said is your takeaway Marshall All and we are not cooperating but Gordon sunland other people that have come on the hill this week more people that will be on the hill next week work for the trump quote unquote everyone's going down underneath him right so it's in everyone's interest to coalesce around a legally defensible strategy but there were breaks trump over all in this impeachment inquiry I think it's converging bit you know because in one scenario if if if trump goes down and I was acting in the best interest of the United States which of course is his sworn duty as an ambassador representing the United States that's another question I have Marshall is about how Gordon Sunland perceived or dealt with this issue of the of Ivanovich who we know who was detailed to Ukraine who was Samir early dismissed and actually sort of against the grain of many people in the State Department in the diplomatic circles in the country with trump he did not go in there you know it it looked I it based off what we read it did not look at all like trump's defenses that he is giving to the cameras it read as more of a factual assertion of this is my understanding of it this is why I did what I did I thought talented diplomat with strong expertise and was an important part of US policy that is a huge difference if you ask felt that she was being recalled for reasons other than her job performance right there was a real politics at play here and I'm wondering did sunlen addresses Rudy Giuliani if you ask Donald trump they say that she is a total partisan hack who hates donald trump and is trying to undermine his administration she denies that there's no proof that that's true and you know it was interesting irate she says she was actually trying to remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN visit Mba dot com or India to get started today in twenty fourteen over this and so she says I'm working on the real stuff you're twisting for your political goals and it looks like it got her punished did sunlen address dismissal I mean in the opening statement of course you know he he's he's been testifying for the whole day obviously it's a secret deposition so I'm he may have been asked about it I don't think in aggressively work at the corruption issue in crane what she says the real corruption issue eruption had sort of become this euphemism right Donald Trump has used the word corruption clearly pushing this newest message that we're hearing from the administration they want to focus and they want the country to focus on the fact that they were pushing Ukraine in to investigate corruption broadly and then potentially also investigate any ties to Ukraine and corruption and the two thousand sixteen election this really next year's g seven is going to be held at trump property will do emoluments on another podcast perhaps but he then took questions and obviously reporters goes to that whole unfounded conspiracy theory that Donald Trump and his conservative allies have been pushing that somehow this DNC server might the news today we have so much more to get to C. N. N. justice correspondent Jessica Schneider is going to join the conversation we'll be right back statement that was made public that he addressed a decision to recall her Marshall this is just one slice of the in the control of Ukraine and maybe it was Ukraine and not Russia who actually hacked and interfered with two thousand sixteen election which again is cents is going to be here from the trump administration as it relates to that phone call between trump and Dolinsky take a listen itself as a headline because we don't usually see administration officials anymore taking reporter's question exactly in that briefing room he went there of course to make the announcement about all have anything to say about that through Uganda under the boss how did he handle her. He praised Ianovich you know and and said that she was a very other countries where participating the support of Ukraine and whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with our department of Justice that's completely legitimate so what do you think jess about welcome back to the daily DC Impeachment Watch on David Chalian Marshall Cohen is still with me and stepping up to the Mike here is C. N. N. justice correspondent Jessica Schneider whose detail in Ukraine because in the past we've heard that Durham the US attorney in Connecticut leading this as well as bill bar have talked with the foreign governments of Italy Way Mulvaney he's making the case here and the three point he laid out that he clearly thinks are legitimate reasons to hold up eight right so mick Mulvaney help from the Ukrainian government that's something we actually haven't heard from the Department of Justice so I it's interesting to see if Ukraine might be giving three factors again I was I was involved with the the process by which the money was held up temporarily three issues for that the corruption in the country whether or not actually led by John Durham the US attorney in Connecticut to get to the origins of the Russia investigation by the FBI. It's interesting that their time to mean please investigate Joe Biden where you've is there she's been on Ukraine for years there is real serious corruption in Ukraine they had an entire revolution has not wanted to believe that because he doesn't want to believe that Russia had any role in making him president so really the fact that Mick Mulvaney is put and can't get enough of the NBA sign for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA at the Ukrainians hacked the DNC and framed Russia and the DNC hired this company crowd strike to set up the the fact fact that Russia meddled in the two thousand sixteen election in fact on the day that the DNC was hacked he put out a statement that said the DNC it is not founded by any of the intelligence agencies who said very clearly this was Russia interfering but of course donald trump since twenty seventeen when this all came out he hacked itself okay and so he's never really believed in this and so- Ukraine comes into the picture because as the conspiracy theory goes shing this that is going to be the administration's new narrative what was interesting at the end there he also tied it to the ongoing probe By the Justice Department any information into this underlying probe Marshall just because you're you're so expert in this obviously having worked on the Russia investigation as well why would you go Jay investigation of the origins of the Russian medication I mean I think a lot of it does stem from what the president believes and trying basically to use this DOJ review to unearth some information that might undermine the Russia pro I just think and could pro- but he's okay defending that eight pursuing some conspiracy theory is part of the reason that as an wants and what the president wants and what he wants to believe as well he look let's just be totally honest about this he's never unequivocally accepted Australia I believe the UK is well and now they're saying we want Ukraine's helping this to inbar is going to be bar has gotten or we've asked bar to get frame job that's totally false it's been rejected actually in court in Roger Stone's trial criminal case so that's where Ukraine comes into it and they're all to this unbelievably fast paced story as well Just I wanNA start with you actually the White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney went into the briefing room today that out of questions around Ukraine and impeachment and I think we got maybe the clearest signal yet at what the to what the real issues are here once again now we have the president's chief acting chief of Staff interjecting this conspiracy theory again and bring it to the fore have you here Nancy Pelosi on the time line here for the impeachment agree Mitch McConnell has said he'd like to have a child impeachment inquiry is the conversation Donald trump had with Zielinski where he did inject Biden into that conversation which was full of asks to the Ukrainian President or demand as if you will for whether a visit or eight or what have you and and Mick Mulvaney was not part of that conversation so the fact that he wasn't let's just back here mulvaney worked so hard from the podium today to separate out the Biden thing because well that's what the heart of the impeachment matters looking into that would really be that he had about Ukraine aid never involved Biden or Barista never mentioned I just like well what does it matter the one conversation that matters as it relates to this when Mitch McConnell in a CNBC interview suggested he would follow Senate rules and actually hold an impeachment trial but it seemed to cause a lot of speculation. I still don't have answers to those questions but keep in mind you know this isn't totally Mitch McConnell showed a run when it gets to the Senate this is a trial crane as Mulvaney Inc today the justices into that I g investigation why would you crane if we just went through an unfounded conspiracy theory be part of a D was held up somehow would be a justified reason I know the larger investigation is legit but this piece of it all right crane would seem to be an illegitimate part of it and but will that will be presided over by the chief justice of the United States Supreme Court John Roberts so while McConnell Ken sort
Georgia Senate Runoffs: The Candidates Part 2
"This briefing is brought to you by curiosity stream i everyone. I'm david chalian. The cnn political director. This is a special edition of the cnn. Political briefing on the georgia senate runoff elections. This is part three of our five part series where we take a closer look at why these two senate runoff races matter so much last week. We looked at republican david. Perdue and democrat. Jon ossoff both battling for one of the two senate seat in today's episode. We're going to take a closer look at the candidates running in the states. Other senate contest. Republican kelly leffler and democrat raphael warnock in the november special election which had a very crowded field especially on the conservative side of the equation. Warnock received thirty two point nine percent of the vote and leffler who was splitting up that conservative vote with others received twenty five point nine percent since neither of them hit the fifty percent plus one mark. The runoff election was triggered. So today we'll take a dive into their background. Their proposals for the future of the country first. Let's take a look at incumbent. Republican senator kelly leffler. I was the first in my family to graduate from college. I know what it means to live paycheck to paycheck. I've done it. And also i'm blessed to live the american dream and that's why i'm fighting to protect it. Fifty-year-old leffler grew up working on her family's illinois grain farm and is now one of the richest people in congress. Leffler has worked in financial services for over twenty five years and helped build a company. Her husband started in the early two. Thousands called intercontinental exchange. It's now a fortune. Five hundred company that is the parent company to the new york stock exchange this year forbes estimated that leffler and her husband at least eight hundred million dollars making her likely be wealthiest member of congress leffler was appointed to the senate. Bill georgia governor. Brian kemp beginning her term in january of this year after former republican senator. Johnny isakson resigned for health reasons. Leffler appointment to the seat originally seen as an effort to make the georgia republican party. More friendly to middle class moderates especially college educated women in those critical suburbs around atlanta who no longer supported. President trump remember brian. Kemp was looking to appoint someone that he was going to share the ticket with. Twenty twenty two. When he's up for reelection that could help him win. Another term georgia's governor however leffler shifted far more to the right. When she was facing off with conservative congressman doug collins who was donald trump's preferred choice to get the senate appointment in their special election in november leffler serves on the health education labor and pensions veterans affairs and agriculture committees in the senate. She's a big supporter of president trump and has been supportive of his efforts to undermine the election results in georgia even though that potentially could hurt her in the runoff. Jordan's are frustrated. I'm frustrated the president's frustrated to get to the bottom of these investigations left there recently. Put out a joint statement with republican. David perdue where they gave their full support for trump's election lawsuits and called for the resignation of the republican secretary of state georgia. Leffler has tried to frame her opponent. Reverted raphael warnock as a radical socialist at the recent debate between the two k. Repeatedly tried to link warnock's name to socialism my opponent radical liberal. Raphael warnock is a socialist. He supports policies. That would grow our government bankrupt hard-working families with high taxes. She made the argument that georgians should elect her end. Republican senator david purdue in order to prevent what she says would be a radical socialist movement inside the federal government. Left slurs campaign has had its share of controversy for example. She made headlines before the election when she was on the campaign trail and told. Cnn's monroe that. She was unfamiliar with president. Trump's infamous access hollywood tape after leffler attended a closed-door senate briefing about the corona virus in january. She and her husband dumped millions of dollars in stocks at the same time she and her husband invested in companies that ended up doing well during the pandemic. the senate ethics committee found no evidence that she violated the law during the protest against police. Killings of black men and women over the summer leffler face controversy as part owner of the wnba team. The atlanta dream when leffler publicly denounced black lives matter. We have to root out racism where it exists but the political organization. Black lives matters is very different it has marxist foundations and it's important that people understand what their goals are because sports should be about unifying. Now let's look at the democrat hoping to oust leffler the pastor of atlanta's historic ebenezer baptist church reverend raphael warnock. The people of georgia have been disappointed. And they're looking for somebody who will stand up for ordinary people. I've spent my life doing that as a citizen. And i'll do it as a us. Senator we're not fifty one years old and was selected to serve as senior pastor at ebenezer in atlanta fifteen years ago. The former pulpit of reverend. Dr martin luther king. Junior warnock was the youngest pastor ever selected to serve in this role in this historic church. He grew up in keeton homes public housing and savannah with his eleven brothers and sisters before running for the senate worn was known in politics for his passion for expanding medicaid under the affordable. Care act in georgia in two thousand fourteen warnock and ten others were arrested at the georgia capital. After georgia failed to expand medicaid under the aca. He is also endorsed by former president. Barack obama in july after the passing of congressmen and civil rights activist. John lewis obama joined warnock at the ebeneezer baptist church and gave a powerful eulogy for lewis in a departure from what is traditionally associated with democrats. Warnock is running a faith-based campaign matthew twenty five christian. that's what i am. I was hungry and you fed me. I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was sick and you visited me. Love your neighbor and for me. That means you don't get rid of your neighbors. Healthcare particularly in the middle of a pandemic perhaps not terribly surprising in what had been traditionally red state until this year warnock has more in line with policy positions like those of president elect joe biden than a bernie. Sanders alexandria ocasio cortez. Warnock is committed to fighting climate change and environmental racism but has not endorsed the green new deal. Warnock supports medicaid expansion in georgia but does not support medicare for all warlock has said numerous times that he opposes defunding the police. I don't think we should defend the police but we certainly do need criminal justice. Reform republicans have criticized warnock's support for barack obama's controversial former pastor reverend jeremiah wright who was accused of antisemitism and preaching a sermon that included the line. God damn america republicans. Also say that. We're not invited. Cuban dictator fidel castro. To a church. He was working for new york in nineteen ninety. Five in response. Warnock said that. He was youth pastor at the time and was not part of the decision to invite castro. I never met him. I never invited him. He has nothing to do with me on the whole this racist more difficult to predict since there were so many candidates in november's election especially on the republican side so really these two candidates are honing in on each other and as their debate showed. It's getting somewhat nasty. We'll see how it plays out on january fifth. That's it for today's special edition of the cnn. Political briefing and if you have any questions about these runoff elections in georgia please email us at ask election one at cnn dot com and we'll answer them in a future episode. Thanks so much for listening and please take a moment. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast. We'll talk to you tomorrow this smart speaker. You're listening to its smart but you can be smarter. Feed your brain at curiosity stream curiosity stream. Is there for all the things you wonder about it. Streaming on demand access to thousands of documentaries award-winning exclusives and original programs. 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A second whistleblower, cracks in GOP support, and national security implications
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment watch every weekday we'll keep you up to date on the most important elements of this historic impeachment inquiry in President Donald Trump a little later on will be I found intriguing today is that we saw two more Republicans come out Senator Susan Collins of Maine Senator Rob Portman of Ohio joining their other colleagues Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney who have been out there saying what the president did here is wrong now none of them other forty-nine colleagues in the conference in the Senate which is they are saying on the record and I think for history's sake that what they have observe the president to do here his call on Ukraine and China to interfere in the US election to help dig up dirt on his potential political opponent seriousness that any impeachment preceding deserves so I'm not defending what Adam Schiff did I gotta tell you when I was watching the so I wanted to do a little politics with you I before we get into some of the more substantive points of what's going on with the entire Ukraine situation he's wrong now the fact that that's breaking news at the is also mind boggling that should be just like the price of admission to be an elected official in America AH NOT GONNA even try to bother to argue that was okay just like the president's doing no it was wrong however even if it was wrong it doesn't mean that we should go as far as Democrats the Republicans are not in lockstep right now in their response they're a little all over the map we were talking about that on Friday but what the Democratic Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff straight out of Republican talking points here Susan Collins Concern Bags are saying bring me articles of impeachment I'm ready to vote to convict the president obviously they're not they're not saying that but they aren't doing something different than any other one of their well it should be but but that's not the world we're living in right now you have Republicans this is the Republican Party that is owned and controlled by president trump right now and so you have anyone who's facing action coming down the pike like Susan Collins of Maine who doesn't want to anger their base and that's why you're seeing this little dance being played out yes what he did was wrong they say data present little cracks there's only so far they want to go against the president absolutely and you know of course this is one of the things that president trump has been harping on there a lot of I was like what is he doing what does he re so I'm not I'm not suggesting but I just think it gets so perfectly to the dance you're describing even as the senators tried she said that it was totally inappropriate with the president said about inviting China in interfering in the election in the South Lawn but she also went after hearing having read the transcript of the colony started his performance and interpretation of of what was exchanged on that call between trump and Dolinsky my head sort of snapped I've been chairman of the House Intelligence Committee misrepresented in this sled was soon the trade script the call between the president and the president of the United States and the president of Ukraine so I hope this will be done with going so they can sort of have it both ways I want to I want listeners to hear a little bit of of the damp that Athena's talking about because yes collins came out and excuses and explanations he's given but one of the things he's been very angry about is this idea that that that Adam Schiff the congressman schiff made up the phone call. Now it's kind of a distraction obviously because we've seen the transcript we've heard the president used his own words to say to admit to what he already asked but still this shows that Democrats have to be careful is just a joke now I didn't see any bit of joking when the president said that on the South Lawn but that did not stop Marco Rubio or Roy Blunt or others from in fact one of the new lines from Republicans this weekend was that when the president said on the South Lawn that he would like China to investigate the Biden's that the defender of the president said something similar on one of the Sunday shows over the weekend and it would be funny if it weren't so serious the idea that the excuse is the experts airport in there and proceeding through this they really can't afford to put a foot wrong and one might argue that that wasn't such a great idea for Adam Schefter to start off that way it also shows nation is the president was just joking we made a lot of that of that sort of lime you heard during the campaign and up until now which is that the president's supporters taken seriously the press saying they didn't really take that as a serious request Senator Rubio said he's just trying to poke you guys in the press that's not a real request Jim Jordan Congressman Jordan also a meaningful cracks is this is this a different moment in time for trump's Republican party than we've seen before or no I don't think so do you not because it is a bit of a distraction we all do have the transcript that Republicans are grasping at villa to push back a little bit of awesome literally but now the GOP members of the of the Republican Party are asking that we ignore him or or not taking not listened to what he's saying it kind of does accented space so then I wanna get your sense Athena of where are Republicans right now we are starting to see some of these cracks but are they gave in Nevada last week pushing back he also conveyed to donors at a gathering over the weekend the campaign had that he's not going blank if indeed there was a conflict of interest to have his son working for a foreign energy company when he was serving as vice president and he would not answer that question he just said that he anywhere and that his family is not going to be destroyed by Donald Trump on this at all but we did see the end of last week when asked point quite yet I mean we're talking about a very small number of people who even come out and said look I'm GonNa go ahead and say what we all would many people agree this was wrong of him to do that this was this was inappropriate he crossed the line here but it's still only a very small number of people and none of them are saying and you know let's go impeach him I'm waiting for the articles of impeachment to vote on right now let's get to there's they may be as you mentioned earlier kind of thinking about history in whether they're going to come down on the right side of history and so they want to say look we all know this is not okay the TNT welcome back to the daily DC Impeachment Watch Athena and I are now the answer he needs to be ready to answer that question because a lot of folks are going to are going to wonder why was it a good idea to have your son joined the board of this company while you're in the administer on the actual substance because some of his democratic opponents over work over the weekend club ashore over the weekend said in their administrations the child of a vice president or their own children and not be allowed to serve in such capacities I think he's going to have to engage on this I mean this is clearly a question he doesn't really want to answer this this is an issue he struggles with because he's talking about his family to the National Security Adviser Sam Vinograd she'll be with us but first a quick break formal complaint filed but somebody with direct knowledge perhaps on the call on July twentieth unlike the initial whistle blower who was collecting privacy is talking about is his son who's had troubles over the years and it's clearly very obvious you saw in his reaction to the reporters confronting him that he wasn't really ready Obama years My first question you is one of the big headlines out of the weekend and into Monday morning was that there is a second whistleblower preps not a so let me turn to Joe Biden for moment just to get your take on what we saw over the weekend he put out an ad in the Washington Post that basically echoed the speech that he I want to acknowledge that there is an ethics question here that should be answered at least as a candidate for president going forward Athena say right there coming up next we've got former senior adviser fight system and it also that visible complete also spoke to activities that senior administration officials took in the State Department and elsewhere again to try to cover up with to realize that and come up with a good answer right now the campaign seems to be just there's no evidence of wrongdoing every journalist Organization says that the done with that and they don't mation a told to him about the call does that matter since we have the transcript if we have someone with more direct knowledge or not is that is that a key development got a bit angry with the reporter instead focus on the problem here are is he going to be able to maintain that answer do you think or will he eventually have to engage my gut is David as the inspector general the intelligence community continues his work let's remember that first whistleblower complaint was based on a preliminary investigation nation that sounds odd and a little sketchy to a lot of folks even if there is no there was no wrongdoing no proof of any sort of wrongdoing is still kind of thing that makes you scratch your head and so he has to all it focused on the call it focused on the cover up after the call in which the White House tried to hide the readout of that meeting on a class of an overly class Prince of crime and engage in illicit activities or potentially illicit activities so we may have another witness come forward in the form of whistleblower a for him to ask Russia ask you crane and China to investigate the phone Russia was the last election he asked them to Russia has a lot to do with all of this as well. The disclosures as part of the investigation or we may see more whistleblowers frankly inspired by what the first whistle blower did and thinking to themselves I of October. TBS is the home of the two thousand Nineteen National League postseason this October stays TNT over fourteen days of the first whistle blower there is now an ongoing investigation by the Inspector General of the intelligence community in which the inspector general is speaking with different it certainly is because it's a witness we're seeing right now is a case being built we have to remember the first whistleblower complaint did not just focus on that July twenty fifth making statements and foreign powers intent on our elections following through on them we should remind people China has been identified by the intelligence community as one of the country this person came forward I need to as well it's my duty I'm a career intelligence officer what have you so I I think we may see more whistleblowers when people that may have been involved in that original second whistleblowers seems to be part of that seems to be so asset investigation continues we may see more whistleblowers make protect joined by Sam Vinegar on a national security analyst for CNN and the former senior adviser to the National Security Advisor at the White House tolerate any interference in her elections and it's like okay we won't tolerate interference in our elections unless president trump asks that doesn't quite work out when we're trying to build security relationships engage with them as much can you imagine that they want to work with us an election security right now secretary pompeo announced last week after putting sanctions on Russia that he we won't there was poking the press from a national security standpoint how does this kind of this kind of situation this kind of explanation impact our relations with other countries particularly the MLB postseason one pitch struck out one swing of the powder and turn to with Joe Biden he is encouraging other countries to engage in information warfare when it comes to his political rivals I'm going to bet a lot of money David that Russian Information Che's for you goes back to what we were talking about with the latest round of explanations or excuses we're hearing from Republicans like Marco Rubio this idea that the president wasn't serious that he was joking Jan all the league wrestling hits harder flies higher and bricks off boundary considered to his age all wrestling a new League Wednesdays data president trump is very publicly told anybody that was listening what he's looking for and what the price is doing business with him so you could see a whole host of mine I have to include the president of the United States but when president trump makes these kind of statements what he is doing is encouraging other countries to trees guess what intent on attacking or twenty twenty election so trump was asking what attackers to attack us by investigating Biden what have you but the broader macro point is hall from the President to have foreign countries play in our elections how how does this actually put the national security of the United Surrey like China does China think that trump is joking I mean certainly not China was listening Russia's listening God knows what other countries were listening what that could lead to what it would mean for the next election the ones after that and so on and what it means for the way US conducts foreign policy the other leaders will view the US well for starters it means hack into the material and and assets let's say of campaign rivals again we saw that with Hillary Clinton we could see that happen in and you know I would be happy to
Georgia Senate Runoffs: The Final Stretch
"Everyone i'm david chalian. The cnn political director. This is a special edition of the cnn. Political briefing on the georgia's senate runoff elections. This is part four of our five part series where we take a closer look at why these two senate runoff racist matter so much. Last week we did a deep dive into the four candidates backgrounds. Today we're going to take a closer look at the state of play in both races including record-breaking early vote numbers record-breaking fundraising numbers and the final critical strategic decisions. Each campaign is making to try and deliver a victory and to remind you of the stakes at play. Everything that was at stake in november is at stake leading up to january fifth because at stake in this election is control of the us senate and that really means control of this country. You still need to vote as if your life depends on it because it does. We need the peach state to defend the majority because the road to a senate majority runs right through the state of georgia implications of either republicans winning these races or democrats taking them and swinging the senate majority are immense everything from more covert relief to joe biden's cabinet picks in fact his entire agenda could be on the line. Democrats success in georgia would create a unified government albeit with exceedingly narrow margin in congress for the first two years of the biden administration. Let's start with the very latest on the race. Co vid nineteen relief. Funds became a critical component in the closing days of the senate runoff elections. Donald trump is. You know reluctantly. Send the covid. Nineteen relief bill with the larger government funding bill on sunday night. That had nine hundred billion dollars of relief funds going out to the country. This included six hundred dollar stimulus checks for individuals for several days around the christmas holiday. Donald trump was threatening not to sign that into law even though it had overwhelming majorities bipartisan. Majorities in both the house and the senate and donald trump's own administration actually negotiated it but he surprised everyone when he said he may not sign it and who was one of the very first people to jump into the president's ear and explain. How important was that. He signed that bill. David purdue the incumbent republican senator in one of these races vice president trump last night more cove. Relief is on. Its way to millions of georgia families and businesses again. He made sure to get to the president directly and personally explaining that the very outcome of these senate races could hinge on whether or not he signed that covid relief bill will donald trump ultimately did so on sunday night but he added that he wanted to have congress up the amount of those stimulus checks from six hundred dollars. Two thousand dollars that put. Donald trump in alignment with democrats like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and in opposition with mitch. Mcconnell's stated policy the republican leader in the senate will that created a big problem for kelly. Leffler and david purdue the republicans running in these races because they have completely embraced president trump and everything that he has done as a part of their political strategy in these races. They want every trump voter in georgia to turn out for them in these runoff remember. Donald trump only lost georgia by some twelve thousand votes are so there are a lot of trump voters. Enthusiastic base voters and david doing kelly. Leffler need every one of them so they don't want split the president on his call for this two thousand dollar stimulus check and it is politically popular. Of course giving money out to americans in need that as a politically popular position but mitch. Mcconnell has made clear. He's in no rush to actually push that through in the senate. Well that did not stop kelly. Leffler david purdue. In this final week of the campaign going out there and aligning themselves with president trump. I'm delighted to support. The president is two thousand. It's really a fourteen hundred dollar increment over what we've already done. So i fully support what the president is doing right now. I've stood by the president one hundred percent of the time. I'm proud to do that. And i've said absolutely we need to get relief to americans. Now they support the increase in the stimulus checks to two thousand dollars. What you didn't hear them say you didn't hear them. Demand that mitch mcconnell make sure a vote to do so gets on the floor before the january fifth runoff each party strategy in these final days of this campaign. Well we were just discussing that stimulus issue and you will now here. All four candidates. The two republican incumbent senators the to democratic challengers and jonathan raphael warnock. They're all championing. This notion of two thousand dollars stimulus checks so by supporting it would leffler and purdue have done is sort of robbed wore knocking off of a battering ram that they just wanted to hammer over the heads of the republicans in these closing days. Now they're all in the same place that will continue to be a closing message. There's no doubt about that. Republicans are trying to present themselves as the very very last thing standing between a unified democratic government and as they see it an agenda based in socialism. People realize what's at stake here. We're the last line of defense against the democratic onslaught and this radical socialist agenda that they aspire to in the presidential election and continue to do so now. This of course is the very rhetoric that they are hoping will keep the republican trump base enthused all the way through the election. Churches are also critical in georgia in terms of getting voters to the polls in the last month before the election wore not an ossoff have campaigned repeatedly churches during one week. In december warnock a pastor appeared at churches in four separate georgia six. Because this is home. And i'm grateful. I'm grateful to god. Who is i in my life in the runoff voter registration. groups targeting. Black voters are working with churches to hold. Registration drives an host the democratic candidates in their parking lots bishop. Reginald jackson minced no words in explaining just how critical the african american vote is in georgia. I think we saw in them. Whether you use turn among blacks surprising turn out some. And i think the church played major evangelical churches in georgia have also been a potent force among the electorate according to the cnn exit poll from the two thousand twenty general election november about one third of the electorate in georgia was white evangelical or born again christian republicans won about eighty five percent of their votes. Well vote based on my fate and always vote for the candidate that most aligns with my christian faith and in this runoff. Especially you know. I'm voting for the candidates that are pro-life in the bible belt. Georgia remains a state where nearly eighty percent of its residents identified as christian and were politics for preachers on both sides of the political. I'll find natural correlation especially with the control of the united states senate hanging in the balance. Money has been flowing into georgia. In record breaking numbers eye popping numbers the contests have drawn a surge of attention and investment from both inside and outside of georgia in fact wore not an off the democrats each raised more than one hundred million dollars in campaign contributions in just the last couple months. That has never been done. Before john off now holds a new record. As the best funded senate candidate in history it is astounding. And by the way purdue and leffler. They're doing quite well in the fundraising department as well. And what's really interesting is even though the democrats have outraged the republicans in this race on the television airwaves republicans and they're outside group. Allies have a bit of an advantage. This is now a half billion dollar campaign. Our latest numbers show that more than five hundred and forty million dollars has been spent on television ads in this campaign and republicans have about a twenty five million dollar edge over democrats in overall. Spending one. question is are the airwaves so saturated that ads are not having the impact that the candidates desire but of course they would not be putting all of this money on television if they didn't think it was a critical way to reach voters in a contest that could be decided by just a few thousand votes as of monday morning this week over two point. One million ballots have already been cast in the georgia. Senate roth that too is a record breaking statistic. That is the most early votes cast in any georgia runoff in state history. By the way it's also rivaling. What the early vote looked like about a week. Eight days out in the presidential contest back in november when we saw record turnout across the country so the engagement of the electorate hasn't diminished all that much from the november general election to these runoffs which are usually far far lower in terms of turnout. Engagement enthusiasm then. A november general election. The stakes clearly could not be higher for the democrats and president elect joe biden seeking to have his agenda. Have an easier path with a unified government but to win. Democrats are going to need to break historical precedent here and with the election. Just less than a week away now. These two races remain too close to call. There's no doubt all eyes are on georgia heading into twenty twenty one. That's it for today's special edition of the cnn. Political briefing our next episode and final episode in this series. We'll take a look at the results unpacking who won and why it matters not only for georgia but for the country. Thanks so much for listening and please take a moment and be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast. We're taking tomorrow and friday off for the new year holiday. But we'll be back on monday. Cnn political briefing is a production of cnn audio. Meghan marcus is the executive producer and haley. Thomas is the senior news producer. 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Michelle Obama Gets Under Trump's Skin
"Everyone I'm David Chalian, the CNN political director I, helped shape the political coverage here at CNN by overseeing the reporting of our outstanding politics team. In this podcast, I'll be sharing coverage with you along with my insights to tell you what you need to know every weekday in ten minutes or less. This is the CNN political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics for Tuesday August Eighteenth Michelle Obama delivers another star turn at a Democratic convention and clearly gets under the president's skin. We'll discuss that plus the big preview of what you can expect in night to at the Democratic convention, the big theme leadership, and finally CNN's brand new poll numbers showing a majority of Americans want to vote early or by mail not in person on election. Day. So. Let me be honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. She cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is. A scathing rebuke of trump the man, the first lady taking on his Moron competency for holding the nation's highest office in the land and clearly getting under the president's skin. Frankly, she should have made the speech live which he didn't do. She taped it and it was not only taped to his taped a long time ago because she had the wrong deaths, she didn't even mention the vice presidential candidate. And the speech and you know she gets these warning reviews I thought it was a very divisive speech extremely divisive, and frankly I wouldn't even be here if it weren't for Barack Obama. It's rather odd that in the critique of Michelle Obama's speech president trump highlighted that she had the wrong number of deaths. What he means by that is she prerecorded speech earlier in the month and at that point more than one hundred, fifty, thousand Americans had died from Corona virus. The president's right that number is no longer accurate. It's no longer current. We are now over one hundred, seventy, thousand deaths, of Americans from the Corona Virus, that additional twenty thousand American deaths that doesn't speak well to president trump he's the one overseeing the management of the corona virus so. He kind of makes his opponents point while trying to critique Michelle Obama's speech now, Michelle. Obama. As I said, was very tough on president trump, but she also made sure to use her speech to do to other things to bulk up Joe Biden as a man with immense empathy equality she says America needs right now and with her necklace as a message board saying vote? Michelle. Obama made sure to highlight the issues for Americans who have obstacles thrown in their way to cast their ballots, urging them to overcome them at whatever cost that everyone must get out and vote. Now here's what else matters today tonight night to the Democratic National Convention you are going to have the main headliner be Jill Biden Vice President Biden's wife potential. First Lady Should Vice President Biden win this election and she's going to be delivering her speech from High School in Wilmington, Delaware where she taught. So she's going to be centered in her very essence as a teacher but she's also going to use her time to tell her personal story. In fact, she just tweeted out saying quote how did you get this number? Those were the first words. She ever said to Joe Biden in nineteen seventy five when he called her up. So we'll get the biography on the personal side, but also her commitment to the classroom, which is a key part. Of Jill Biden. We will also hear from former presidents, Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton will give a big speech tonight and we will hear from the descendants of John F. Kennedy. National Security will be front and center healthcare will be front and center, and the rule of law will be front and center weaving through the entire evening as the big themes about. Leadership. And finally today back to that point Michelle Obama was making about voting in her remarks. CNN has a brand new exclusive national poll all about how Americans are responding to the concerns about casting and counting ballots this fall in an unbelievable development in majority of Americans fifty, six percent want to cast their vote early or by mail absentee. A majority of American voters in this poll would not prefer to cast their vote in person on election day, but it is fascinating to see the political divide here trump supporters. In this poll sixty, six percent of them want to cast their ballot in person on election day sixty, six percent of trump supporters whereas that number for Biden supporters much lower. In fact, a majority of Biden supporters in this poll fifty three percent preferred to cast their vote by mail. So depending on whether you're a trump supporter or biden supporter is actually impacting how you want cast your ballot because of course, the president is politicizing this issue and his supporters are following suit and it's potentially a very dangerous brew. Keep this in mind. We also asked people if they are confident that ballot or going to be able to be cast and counted accurately will confidence in the election process is down ten points from just four years ago. That's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening. This podcast is a production of CNN audio Meghan. Marcus is the executive producer, and Haley Thomas is the senior news producer. Rosh, Makita is our technical lead. Our episodes are produced by we'll Cadigan Mimi, Tessa, and Alabi an engineered by Francisco Monroy David Toledo is the teams production assistant. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Executive Orders That Dont Add Up
"These days we all have financial questions northwestern mutual advisors have the answers and can design the right financial plan to not only guide you through this. But help you come out stronger get matched with an adviser who gets you go to northwestern mutual dot com slash plan. Donald. Trump tries an end run around Congress but it's not entirely clear. He can do so we'll discuss that today plus the latest in Joe Biden search for a vice presidential running mate. And can you imagine president trump being added to mount rushmore? I everyone I'm David Chalian, the CNN political director. This is the daily DC. It was a grand show from president trump over the weekend. This is the payment relief during the covid nineteen. F-. Deferral payroll tax. Obligations. So this is your payroll tax. which we're GONNA. End Up Terminating Ventura signing executive orders that actually in the examination of what he's doing don't necessarily add up to what he is selling these executive orders as for instance, the enhanced unemployment benefits from the federal government you know that additional six, hundred dollars a week that ran out just a couple of weeks ago and there's no deal in sight for any kind of continuation. Well, he's proposing by signed executive order that he's GonNa. Give four hundred additional dollars but then of. Course in the fine print you see. Well, states are actually going to be responsible to foot the bill for twenty five percent of that extension will what about states that can afford that at all because they're entirely cash-strapped right now you see where it begins to fall apart and not everything adds up as the president sort of put it on display this weekend what you have here is a president who's been unable to get a deal with Congress with House Democrats, and in fact even. His own party in the Senate Senate Republicans are totally divided over what kind of economic package to put together. So you have a president who by the way campaigned being the dealmaker and chief unable to get a deal and instead wants to put on a show. So it looks like he's addressing these issues, but it's not necessarily that he also put together this order about a payroll tax deduction. Now, the way he selling it is a sort of a deferment of payroll tax for anyone. Earning up to one hundred and four thousand dollars. This is precisely the issue that divides his own party and is now allowing the Democrats to attack trump for trying to sell out Medicare and social security. So I don't think Donald Trump got exactly the kind of leadership moment he was looking for in rolling out these executive orders this weekend and on the process itself. Well, you know there's a tweet for everything. November two, thousand, fourteen back then he was just citizen trump he said on twitter. Republic must. Not. President Obama to subvert the constitution of the US for his own benefit and because he is unable to negotiate with Congress, you know Senator Ben Sasse the Republican from Nebraska called. This constitutional slop is how he described what the president was proposing over the weekend that got trump's ire up and he tweeted back this morning rhino you know Republican in name only Ben Sasse who needed my support endorsement in order to get the Republican nomination for Senate from Nebraska Gone Rogue. Again trump says this foolishness plays right into the hands of the radical left. So it looks like these executive orders may have not moved the ball in negotiations with the Democrats. If that was the goal and further divided Republicans including the Wall Street Journal editorial page, which basically admonishes trump for going down this path that Republicans hammered Obama over time and again and ends aditorial over the weekend suggests that trump is actually laying precedent here for a potential future down the road. President Kamala Harris who might take a similar approach but on something like climate change. So conservatives actually quite worried that by utilizing this executive order process president trump is indeed setting a very bad precedent. Now here's what else matters. Today Vice President. Biden. Has Yet indicate that he has made a decision. The announcement could come at any time but all indications are that it is likely to be the latter half of this week rather than the first half of the week. Certainly, the Biden team is using this drumbeat time awaiting the name of his vice presidential pick to raise money with their big email list to grassroots donors to highlight an already planned grassroots fundraiser with Biden and whoever he. Ends up putting on the ticket with him keep interest alive as more and more speculation swirls around this process. We did see the former vice president on his bicycle over the weekend courtesy of Fox News who caught up with him in with Beach Delaware where he has a summer home and he jokingly said, yeah, he made a decision and suggested perhaps it was the reporter who was asking him about it. But what we don't have any serious indication that a final decision has been made. What we do have is a list of finalists and they are as they've been Kamala Harris citizen rice, the former Obama national security adviser, Gretchen Whitmer the Governor Michigan was confirmed that she had an in person meeting and several others are still in the mix but the pressure mounts on Joe. Biden. From many quarters in his party to pick an African American woman that is still one of the key things to watch as this week progresses. And finally, Today The New York Times reported over the weekend that there actually was outreach by the White House to Republican Governor Christie gnome of the Kota about the process by which a president could be added to Mount Rushmore that glorious monument to great presidents of the past and the idea that the trump White House is seeking how it might be possible to get Donald Trump's face up on Mount Rushmore of course was met with scorn from the left but even the president himself sought the need to call this fake news and smack back the reporting on this despite the fact that he has mused aloud as recently as this weekend when asked about it, that may not be a bad idea. That's it. For Today's Daily DC. Thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to you. Tomorrow. This podcast is a production of CNN audio, Meghan Marcus, the executive producer and Haley Thomas is senior news producer. Rosh Makita is our technical lead. Our episodes are produced by we'll Cadigan Mimi Moot Hazza and Priscila Alabi an engineered by Francisco Monterey. David Toledo is the teams production assistant.
Democratic Women Take Center Stage
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director I helped shape the political coverage here CNN by overseeing the reporting of outstanding. Politics team. In this podcast, I'll be sharing our coverage with you along with my insights to tell you what you need to know every weekday in ten minutes or less. This is the CNN political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics for Wednesday August nineteenth it's three of the Democratic national. Convention and Comma. Harris. And Barack Obama will be taking center stage. Also today we'll talk about Donald, trump's attempt to actually get his supporters to vote by mail, and finally a definitive bipartisan Senate report says, the Russia election interference campaign was not a hoax. We're halfway through the Democratic National Convention and these next two nights are going to be the biggest yet. Tonight, you'RE GONNA see a couple of things you're going to see Comma Harris the senator from California except her nomination as vice presidential running mate on the Biden Harris ticket in a history breaking moment the first woman of color to be on a major party ticket like this, and all evidence that we are gathering now suggests her goal is to make sure that everyone in America. Can. See themselves in a part of her story her aides are describing the speech is going to be extraordinarily inclusive of everyone in America and so that everyone can feel that the Biden Harris team will fight for everyone's equality in addition to Comma Harris's biggest night of her political career you are going to hear from some of the other most powerful women in the Democratic Party, you will see Elizabeth Warren Nancy Pelosi and the two thousand, Sixteen Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton will be giving her. Speech today and tonight's clear focus on female voters at the Democratic convention comes just one day after the one hundredth anniversary ratification of the nineteenth amendment to the constitution making sure that women got to exercise their right to vote as well and of course President Barack Obama be delivering his full-throated support for Joe Biden the man that he put on the ticket as his vice presidential running mate in what is a highly anticipated speech from the former president as you know President Obama has not. been. Shying away of late of taking on president trump very directly, we'll see if he does that tonight in the speech but certainly, just like Jill Biden was able to last night at the Democratic National Convention Barack, Obama's going to be able to be validated provide testimonial of Joe Biden the man, the man who stood by his side and work next to him for every day of eight years in the White House. So that will be a big part of Obama's mission tonight as well. Now here's what else matters. Today Donald Trump's campaign actually had the audacity to send out a video with the president filling out his Florida absentee ballot for yesterday's primary there. As you know, we've talked about this donald trump has been on a mission to try to blur the lines between Universal Mail in voting and absentee voting by mail. Radically different things they're not. They're basically the same thing, but that does not stop him in his campaign from trying to muddy the waters. So I'm signing today an absentee ballots absentee ballots are not universal mail and these are really good you have to work together and. You have to make sure everything's perfect and you send him in. And very little can go wrong. So absentee ballots are good universal melons when you get inundated with these things are bad and will lead to terrible things including voter fraud central. Is Good. So get your application said in your absentee ballots immediately. Thank you. Folks it's basically the same thing. Yes. In some states, everyone gets mailed a ballot in other states vote by mail is available if you submit an application for an absentee ballot, but the process is the same and what Donald Trump is trying to do here he's trying to save face a little bit because he understands more and more people are going to be voting absentee and by mail he needs those voters to, and so he's trying to encourage in critical states like Florida his folks that it's okay to vote that way but still trying to save face from months and months of undermining voting by man. And finally today. V definitive bipartisan report from the United States Senate Intelligence Committee about the Russia interference campaign in the two thousand sixteen election. What is crystal clear from this bipartisan report is that Russia, absolutely did work to interfere in the two thousand sixteen election that it did. So to help Donald Trump's chances of getting elected president and to hurt Hillary Clinton's chances in the election and it really comes out and goes a bit further than Bob Muller did in his investigation by. Saying that Donald Trump likely lied to muller and his team won answering questions about his communications with Roger Stone over wikileaks and what they were going to release in terms of the Clinton and democratic emails. I know president trump is painting this as evidence that it was all a hoax, but it's actually the opposite. This bipartisan report clearly shows that that entire election interference effort on Russia's part was not at all a hoax it very much reality. That's it for today's political briefing. listening this podcast is a production of CNN audio Meghan. Marcus is the executive producer and Haley Thomas is the senior news producer. Rakija is our technical lead. Our episodes are produced by will Cadigan, Mimi, Mu Tessa. And PRISCILA and. By Francisco Monroy David Toledo is the teams production assistant we'll talk to you tomorrow.
The Governor vs. the Protestors
"Doc Protests in Michigan Ohio Kentucky and today Florida states across the country have seen protests as people grow more concerned about the economic fallout of the corona virus. Pandemic hello everyone. I'm David Chalian the CNN political director. This is the daily. Dc these protests. Come as yesterday. President trump outlined his three-phase plan for opening up America again where states can gradually ease their lockdowns. Our approach outlines three phases and restoring our economic life. We are not opening all at once but one careful step at a time and some states will be able to open up sooner than others. Some states are not in the kind of trouble that others are in. This is a reversal from his earlier. Comments Trump now promised that governors would be handling the process themselves with help from the federal government. Governors will be empowered to tailor approach. That meets the diverse circumstances of their own states. Every state is very different. They're all beautiful. We Love them all but they're very very different. If they need to remain close we will allow them to do that. And if they believe. It is time to reopen. We will provide them freedom and guidance to accomplish that task and very very quickly depending on what they wanted to join me now for more on how governors are taking the lead is CNN senior. Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny. He traveled to Michigan this week. One of the hardest hit states in this virus crisis and he chatted with the governor. There Gretchen whitmer been on the front lines of this battle. Jeff thank you so much for being here David. Thank you so before I get into your the substance of your trip to Michigan. You're the first person I've talked to. That has been on an airplane. And I'm just wondering what was it like just travelling. During this time for this assignment I will say it was sort of. Surreal in a haunting and peaceful way. The biggest difference. I had six fifteen. Am flight to Detroit on Wednesday morning and I wanted coffee. No coffee at all. Because everything's closed in the airport and on planes they just hand you a bottle of water in hand sanitizer. That is it but not complaining at all because of course so many workers on the frontlines there but it was about twenty. People are so were on my flight which was a little surprised by But the airports are just really empty. In fact I documented this on my instagram account. Just seeing the Detroit. Airport coming back Last night at six PM normally bustling a big screen of president trump in his news conference to an absolutely empty airport. It was pretty striking. Yeah I saw that on your blew my mind like reminded me of the Nila Sky. That movie and Times Square was empty that Tom Cruise movie. I just a place that you normally see so crowded so jeff to the purpose of your trip as to why you left. Your quarantine went out there to Michigan to meet with Governor Whitman and get a sense of what was going on the ground there. We all saw those pictures of those protest. You heard some of that at the top of the podcast. How did you assess you've seen a lot of political protests in your time as a political reporter across the country? What did this protest looked like? What did you make of it? Who organized it? What was your take of what you were witnessing about the concern. These michiganders were expressing. Well David in many respects. It was so normal. It was something that we've seen so many times before it was a mix of a tea party rally from say twenty ten or so when people were surrounding the state capital across the country with A. Don't tread on Me Flags. It was the mix of a trump presidential rally and mix of any type of normal protest rally. The only difference of course is the time in which we're living the fact that it was happening at all was so surreal and it was a drive by protest. Demonstration meant for people to stay in their vehicles. It's called Operation Gridlock to descend on downtown lansing around the state capital which they did for five hours or so intentionally blocked everything up. I actually had to park my car and walk about a mile to get to the state capital but the difference was that this play out during a pandemic and I was struck by the dozens and dozens and dozens of people who are walking down the sidewalk standing on the steps of the Capitol completely ignoring every medical advice to essentially distance and to stay away. Very few had masks so it was really a situation that it was not only flouting the the rules but just also common sense but it struck me at that moment Davis I was standing on North Capitol Avenue. All remember this for the rest of the campaign that we are seeing a collision between the public health battle and the political fight and these are becoming joined and that was something to me that it was playing out. I think it will play out every day for the rest of this campaign and beyond but there is politics involved in this as well so never mind the fact. The reason we went to Michigan we should point out. Is the third highest death toll of any state in the country and it is having a huge public health crisis and to see thousands of people protesting and what they were? Doing of course is protesting governor aggression decision to essentially shut the economy. Down there and people were Coming out is part of an organized. Protest organized by Michigan Conservative groups to protest her the what they were also doing. Of course. We're protesting the reality that this Pandemics affecting all of us you said there's the public health component of this you mentioned there's a political component playing out it's also an economic component playing out and that feeds into the politics as well but they are also distinct right. I mean there is a real economic pain but there is also organized political protesting around that I mean the and how those two merge throughout this campaign is going to be just unbelievably important for us to stay on top of and continue to report out and Observed just a quick thing. The you know. I don't think we should dismiss these organized protests protests that are happening across the country in Florida in Kentucky and Ohio and Pennsylvania. Yes they are organized by some conservative groups. Some tea party groups but that doesn't mean the anger is not there. Most protests are organized. I mean on both sides liberal sides and and the conservative side but the anger is still there and that is something that I was struck by just a couple of signs and I didn't talk to a of people because I was trying to really keep my distance but looking at all the handmade science there were some who stayed in their vehicles and this one sign about we own a garden company. We want it to stay open. So that is why Michigan is kind of at the forefront of this that the governor has been very aggressive in terms of rules and crackdowns here And it is something that the economics of all this one million people. Nearly a quarter of the workforce in Michigan are applying for unemployment benefits. That is the economic reality here that this is playing out in. It's just astonishing. That number is staggering. No I don't dismiss it at all the fact that it's organized. I agree with you. I also don't dismiss the fact that it's just a small sliver of folks who were out there protesting If you look at all the public polling the notion of staying the getting economy open right now versus public health guidance overwhelmingly Americans and you see this state by state. Polling too are in favour of sticking with the guidelines of replaced now are very trepidation about returning to normal life even if guidelines are listed but as I said on our network covers. Call the other morning Just because it's a small sliver or a minority that's in protest. We shouldn't at all discount it's political potency. That's exactly what the tea party was. He thought he was never a majority position in the country. But it had an amazing power inside our politics so much so that I think it's safe to argue with pave the path to Donald Trump's presidency. I think no question the thing that was particularly discordant about this not only the fact that it was the you know music playing a party like atmosphere if you will when people literally are dying was the fact that a lot of trump supporters were there and this giant trump trailer. It's called trump unity trailer. It goes from rallies to rallies. I've seen it across. The country was parked right there in front of the State Capitol and you know hundreds of people if not more were holding a trump flags you would think that he's not involved in this that he is not also asking people to keep their social distance so that is what is so curious to me that president trump and what he did you know. I'm Thursday which we'll talk about. You know really giving a lot of leeway to these states They were protesting similar. They sports that is what's interesting to me. He could shut this down he alone probably could stop these protests from happening but of course that is not in his own. Jeff he's now. The president is fueling it. I mean just a few moments before you and I started this podcast. He tweeted out a tweet. Liberate Michigan Liberate Minnesota. He says what's fascinating feeding frenzy. He cannot fix the economy by November. But he can try and pass the blame to Democrats so in a Lotta these states with democratic governors. It'll be fascinating to see how this plays out. But at the end of the day every presidential election that we've covered and certainly we've studied has been a referendum on the president in terms of the economy. We'll see if this is different or not but the amount of sort of split screen messaging from the White House is fascinating when you watch those protesters holding trump flags. It was amazing. Yeah so one of the reasons you mentioned the public health reasons and economic numbers. There obviously two important reasons to visit Michigan. The other is president trump. Put Gretchen Whitmer in the spotlight early. On in this process he attacked her. He called her. That woman governor out in Michigan and again part of what you're saying is sort of split messing coming out of the White House. Because at times he's sort of been more kind and gracious words her but he started a public spat with her. You sat down with her. How is she balancing getting what she needs for her State? And what's your reaction when the president would have takes her on in that way. Well it's fascinating. She's fifteen months on the job. She was elected in November of twenty eighteen. And she's been around Michigan Politics for a long time. She was a state legislator. An attorney. General now. A new governor and the context of Michigan so important president trump. Of course one Michigan in two thousand sixteen by ten thousand seven hundred four votes. That is a number that has ingrained in the minds of every Democrat there. She won a two years later. And so now. This is sort of seen as proxy fight. But she very clearly I asked her directly what she was thinking the moment that she heard the president United States call her. That woman in Michigan and she said she didn't sleep that night. She was afraid that horror Animosity toward him or some things that she has said would keep From getting the aid it needed these are governors in crisis mode so she absolutely acknowledged that she has adjusted some of her language to Trang. Get what she wants. You've seen a lot of democratic governors. Do this a Gavin newsom. In California flatters the president he praises the President Will California has gotten a lot of what it wants so she is is trying to keep politics out of it but I also asked her how this affects her relationship and negotiating relationship with the president. I don't Go looking for fights but I don't back down from one either and the fact of the matter is right now. I can't afford to have fights with anybody. I've gotta make as many alliances as I possibly can and I should be able to count on the federal government so clearly talking about alliances with the federal government and she talks about her strong working relationship with vice president. Mike Pence we should point out. The vice president is really getting a lot of this work done in these calls with governors and David. One thing that I was really struck by that happened this week. We're seeing these alliances of governors across the country. Certainly Andrew Cuomo is leading in the northeast and Gavin. Newsom bleeding one in the West but the one of the. Midwest is very interesting to me. Seven states of the seven states. Five of the governors are Democrats to Republicans. The Governor of Indiana Eric Holcomb Republican. Who was a protege of Mike Pence Longtime Party leader there And Ohio's Governor Mike. Dewine of course a leading Republican and all this that is their regional alliance that there is a bipartisan alliance. So in some respects as the president is saying Liberates Michigan. He didn't tweet out. Liberate Indiana or liberate Ohio. So that's where the politics of this is so blatant but Governor. Whitmer and other democratic governors in very key swing states for this president. Now have Some bipartisan backing and some support in their regional area and I thought that was fascinating overall. It's been extraordinary to see how governors have really been on the front lines of this crisis and have joined together in ways. I cannot recall in two decades of covering national politics and more of seeing these governors of both parties. Come together. Yeah I you know one of the things. You mentioned the bipartisan sort of Midwest coalition. Already we're starting to see little differences even within them. I mean Mike Dewine is ready to open up. Certain pieces on May First Gretchen. Whitmer are not so sure exactly where her state will be. We'll look like come two weeks from now. I do wonder if as you said you. See the politics of this if we will see some divide between red states and blue states between Republican Governors Democratic Governors. In the way things come back online jeff one of the things you mentioned her reaction to President Trump. But you also ask Governor Whitman while you were there you could hear those protests you were describing outside. What was her reaction to her. Strict social distancing and stay at home order and the continuation of. It was clearly getting this reaction outside. What was her reaction to this protester? David it was so striking after walking outside the capitol grounds. We went up into the George Romney State Office. Of course. He's the father of Senator Mitt Romney a former governor of Michigan there and we're sitting in her office on the second floor of this building. You can see the State Capitol and you can see these protesters but more than that you can hear them so vividly the honking of horns playing music so there is music playing in the background. The village people. Ymca of all things which is a a standard trump rally song sweet caroline. Other numbers were playing in the background as she was talking to frontline health workers and we were standing about ten feet or so away in this a long conference table that she has watching she was talking on a zoom call with these frontline workers and she asked them what advice they would give her. Try and make her case to Michigan Residents. Why they should stay clearly. I'm not getting through. She described as one of the lowest days of our times as governor so frustrated by not being able to get through and David. I remember the tone of voice from an ICU. Nurse from Royal Oak Michigan. She said you should tell them that people die alone. I have watched for the last four weeks as so many people have died alone. It's unrelenting it's exhausting so tell them about their. You know their grandmother grandfather. Their aunt their uncle. They will die alone so very stark. Message there on the other line of this zoom conference call from this ICU nurse. Who's been on the front lines? So David That transcends politics but clearly politics is now part of this because of her decision to do what she believes needs to be done to stop the spread of the so We don't know where this is going medically or politically here but Massive challenges and the death toll is the death toll in regardless of protests. That's only rising. It's not going down obviously a very quickly before we go one pure politics question. Did you get her sense about how she feels about being on Joe Biden shortlist as a potential? Vp candidate? Well it's clear that I actually asked her. Are People protesting you? Because you're being mentioned by Joe Biden by his own admission that she's on the short list and she said I was elevated into the national spotlight because of Donald Trump not because of Joe Biden. And that's true but look. She gave a very practiced answer to whether she would serve. She didn't say she wouldn't of course but she said she's very flattered and humbled to be a mentioned in the group of other women leaders of it said it's never been harassed ration- to go to Washington. Dc A look. I mean the reality is. She ran on a campaign to fix the damn roads in two thousand eighteen. That was her little slogan. Now her future is going to be determined on how she weathers this economic and pandemic storm here so she very much is Of the mind that she's mindful of being on this list. This is out of her hands so she has a quite a challenge in front of her in terms of what the next chapters of this are because Michigan is not out of the woods yet. By any means you can see that You know worried. Look on her face and certainly in her voice. Yeah it just hearing say Jeff. You know she and Donald Trump are in the same boat. Their political futures will depend on how they respond to the pandemic and to the economic fallout thereafter. So in that sense they have a lot in common. Jeff Zeleny C. N. N.'s senior Washington correspondent. Thank you so much for being here. It's my pleasure David. Thank you and a special thanks to our listeners. As well remember we publish a new episode every week thing so please subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. While you're there consider leaving a rating or a comment it helps other people find the show. And if you want to tweet about this podcast please do so using the Hashtag the daily DC. Stay safe stay healthy. We'll see you on Monday.
Vote By Mail Funding Held Hostage
"These days we all have financial questions northwestern mutual advisors have the answers and can design the right financial plan to not only guide you through this. But help you come out stronger get matched with an adviser who gets you go to northwestern mutual dot com slash plan. They want twenty, five, billion dollars billion for the post office. Now, they need that money in order to have the post office work. So it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. Now, in the meantime they are in getting there by the way, those two items. But if they don't get those two items that means you can't have universal mail in voting. In, its ongoing war against mail in voting president trump is now implying that he's intentionally sabotaging the postal service ahead of November's election today, we'll discuss that plus as soon as Comma Harris was announced as Joe, Biden's running-mate, the sexist racist attacks began and you turn on the show or. If you're like me you can't wash your beautiful hair proper. What a new government proposal could mean for your showers. High Everyone David Chalian is off I'm Kristen Holmes a CNN correspondent covering election integrity and really all things Washington and this is the daily DC. So, here's what we know this year there is expected to be a much larger than normal amount of people who choose to cast their ballot by mail because of Corona virus and people are worried that the postal service can't handle it. So Democrats are asking for billions of dollars to help the postal service with this, but that money would be part of the next stimulus, which of course, as we all know is stalled up on Capitol, Hill and negotiations between the White House. Democratic lawmakers is fairly lifeless at this point. Now, at the same time, the new postmaster general Louis Joy who is. Also, a trump donor and fundraiser has made some really big changes to the post office, and we're talking about leadership shakeups as well as cost cuts that some workers say has actually slowed delivery. So this coupled with president trump's repeated attacks on mail and voting has some critics worried that it's all part of a deliberate attempt to sabotage vote by mail ahead of the election, and in the past president, trump has said that he thinks funding for the postal services, really a nonstarter and those negotiations. But today he took it one step farther in an interview on Fox business this morning, the president. said that if the postal service does not get the funding which he won't sign off on, then there can't be universal mail in voting which he doesn't want because they don't have the capability and why does this matter? Well, it implies that the president is purposely holding funding in order to stop mail and voting. So huge issues here on election integrity concern but on top of that president, trump can't set election rules and many states have said Doodoo, the corona virus they will either allow Universal Mellon voting or relax their rules on absentee ballots meaning that there will still be a huge amount. Of people who send their ballots in the mail through a system that may not be able to process them because of actions taken by the president and his administration, and all of this could lead to a chaotic election. Now, on top of all of this Democrats are also calling for the US inspector general to look into joys finances. New Financial disclosures obtained by CNN showed, Ajoy did not divest millions in stock from his former company, a current postal service contractor, and that he holds stock options in another major US pse customer, Amazon. Now, the postal service says he has followed all of the ethics. But the financial arrangements are sure to bring more questions. Here's what else matters today Kamla. Harris. Joe. Biden's newly announced. Running mate is already facing a barrage of racist and sexist attacks including from the president, and now you have a sort of a mad woman I call her because she was so angry such hatred with Justice Cavanaugh I've been I've never seen anything like it she the anger of the group and they were all angry. Now. That was president trump on Fox business this morning pretty overtly hearkening back to the stereotype of the angry black woman and I think this really signals Tuesdays I that Democrats need to prepare for the barrage of comments like this one that are going to be directed at Harris and figure out the best way to counter them and second that the president's attempts to label. Harris as far left and extreme figure who will push. Joe. Biden towards a socialist agenda don't seem to be working and so he's resorting to is most basic instinct which is to lash out with these sexist and racist attacks. Now, watch for more of this to come as Harris becomes more of a player in a role as the chief prosecutor of trump on the campaign trail. And one other thing for you president trump has repeatedly complained about water flow in the US from toilets, not flushing properly to showers that make it hard for him to wash his beautiful hair properly, and those were his words. Now, the trump administration is proposing new regulatory changes that would roll back standards for showerheads to allow them to put out more water. Now, consumer groups say this is unnecessary but. At least one American president trump will be very happy. That's it for today's Daily DC. Thank you so much for listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Now here's a special message from your usual host. Hey, it's David here and I want to fill you in on some exciting news. This is the last week of the daily DC for those of you have been avid listeners and for those of you listening. For the first time I really WANNA thank you. 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Checking on the 2020 Race from the "Virtual Trail"
"Never even thought of changing the date of the election. Why would I do that November third? It's a good number No I look forward to that election and that was just made up. It's an election year. That promises to be unlike any other CORONA VIRUS RAISES QUESTION ABOUT CONVENTIONAL CAMPAIGN STRATEGY. Typical talking points even how and when. Americans will go to the polls. Hello I'm David Chalian the CNN Political Director. This is the daily DC. The country continues to struggle with the corona virus. It is the story as it should be in the media spotlight a global pandemic an economic calamity that along with it. Obviously those two things have up ended the presidential election but that doesn't mean that both donald trump the presumptive democratic nominee Joe Biden and their teams are not actually moving forward with the campaign so we wanted to take a moment and check in on the status of this campaign in these uncharted waters with me to discuss all of that. We've got Washington correspondent. Brian Noble's WHO's covering the trump campaign and national political reporter. Eric Radnor who's covering the Biden camp. The thanks to you both for being here really appreciate it. Thanks David happy to be here Ryan. I just wanted to get your initial thoughts. You know the plan and I don't think there's any plan that is still in place from where it was before this. The plan for the trump team was twofold. It was to make sure this wasn't a referendum election on Donald trump knowing that he's the president that has never had in the entirety of his presidency majority approval in the country. So make it a choice and be sure to tear down. Whoever his Democratic opponent was going to be that was part one and part to identify trump supporters. That basically didn't come out in two thousand sixteen. Those two things combined drive up those voters that didn't exist before in addition to getting the die-hards out of course and and taking down the opponent that seemed to be the path now. Is there any doubt in the trump? Campaign's mind right now that because of Corona virus it is inevitable that this is going to be a referendum on Donald Trump. Well I think that they still hope that at some point. They're going to get this distinction between Joe Biden Donald Trump and Be Able to offer that up to two voters and to a certain extent just dragged down Joe Biden not necessarily prop up president trump. But every Republican that I've talked to in the week and a half or so that I've been on this be is increasingly making it clear that this really isn't even anymore about Joe Biden versus Donald Trump. It's Donald Trump versus cove nineteen in the Corona Virus. And basically every issue set that you had on the table you know whether it be even a wedge issue like abortion immigration You know some of these kind of bread and butter issues. That Republicans often run on. That would be something that the trump campaign would highlight all basically get thrown out the window and it's all going to be about the response to Corona virus and then the economy as a result In so to your point that becomes that referendum on President trump that I think they hoped to avoid. They really thought that there was an opportunity for them to make this As much about Joe Biden as it is about Donald Trump. I think it makes it very difficult for them to do that. A. Because Biden is out there. He's unable to be out there and be because so much of the country's focus right now is on corona virus and there's no one that has a bigger role in that process and president trump. So in you already see that campaign starting to recognize that they are starting now to really focus in on the argument that they believe the president trump has done a good job handling this and they want to convince the American people of that. The American people just to be clear are not there. In all of the polling it indicates that a majority of Americans disapprove of his handling of this. There was this brief bump Right after sort of the state homeowners were put in place in the enormity. The situation was clear. Rally around the flag kind of moment but not nearly as a big of a bump is incumbent presidents usually get in a time of crisis and then pretty much disappeared. But you are right. They are leaning into it. You've got a story on CNN Digital today about this ad I want our listeners to just hear a bit of this new digital ad that is trying to use. Some Democrats actually adds validate for trump's handling this crisis. Fact is every time I've called the president. He's quickly gotten on the line. We asked to get support for that mercy ship and Southern California. He was able to direct that in real time. What the federal government did working with states phenomenal accomplishment. We got. I'm not sure Ryan that they asked Governor Gavin newsom California Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York for permission to use their voices in this digital ad. But what what is the campaign thinking in doing this? I'm quite sure they didn't and the campaigns thinking is is pretty clear here they want to show Americans particularly swing voters. People that you know might be considering both Biden and President trump there are Democrats who feel that. President trump has handled this well. Now what they're leaving out is the criticism. That's come from a lot of these democratic governors at the same time and also the big thing that you can't put into this ad and we try and make clear in our story today. Is that careful balance that these democratic governors find themselves in you know that their goal in this situation is not necessarily political. It's one of getting the aid and help that they need for their constituents and that is directly tied to President Trump and the administration and frankly president trump is the type of person that responds to praise into kind words and someone that pushes back hard if someone is critical of him. So you know it's a smart ad if you watch it you're definitely taking a back and you know they're most people that are not going to find the context involved in it and this is exactly the kind of thing that the trump campaign is trying to do to spin the narrative about how he's handling the corona virus. It's just amazing though because it is something that I think. Prior to corona virus we never would have seen the trump campaign attempt because they really have not had all been about playing for the middle. I still don't think it's a huge part of their calculation. But this is so intriguing because of how much corona virus in this pandemic has permeated through the entire culture. This play for Americans. Broadly is fascinating. Eric One thing Ryan said earlier. Was this notion that trying to take advantage of the fact they are that Joe Biden is not out there campaigning. I'm wondering all your conversations with the Biden campaign. Is that a bad thing. Do they see him as being sort of trapped in his basement and not being able to be out there on the campaign trail in any kind of way as a negative or do they see this as sort of like not bad to step out of the way and let the country see and review? How Donald Trump handles this crisis? Yeah I think the answer is somewhere in. The middle is not ideal because of the tools that enable you to sort of capitalize on this moment on social media and Inter just doing interview after interview after that. The these are the things that aren't really in. Joe Biden's comfort zone. He's not one of these candidates who's able to just go on instagram. Live all day drive a message. But as pulling his sort of shifted and it's become clear that the president's handling of grownup irises and seen as as strong or or boosting him. I think settled into a comfort zone where they are happy. That the idea that this is a referendum on trump's handling of this is that that's a good place for him to be Biden's out not making mistakes. He's not doing anything to distract from the National. Focus on trump and the government's handling of this. So I think that the Biden campaign would like to have opportunities to fundraise in person to to keep the candidate himself. Happy with with with doing in person events getting to shake hands. He's a somebody who enjoys retail politics thrives on retail politics but in in terms of their overall prospects for for November. Yeah I think they as polling shows that the president's handling of this is is being seen as poor by by more Americans They're getting more and more comfortable with with sort of where they are right now. I mean even yesterday's event with Hillary Clinton when she was endorsing him She may not the fact that he's like one of the great retail politicians and it must be killing him. She said That he can't be out there at do think we have to be a little careful. I'm sure they're happy with where they are six months out. We have no idea where this is going to become the fall. I have no idea if the narrative in October is going to be all about economic recovery and that the country is on. Its way back or that. This fall version of the virus is actually so much worse than anyone predicted like society is to shut down again. Ryan how in your conversations with the trump campaign do they plan for just all these unknowns of what the fall will look like you know you see them a subtly laying the groundwork for all those possible scenarios one of the big talking points that you see coming out of Republicans right now. Is You already had president that had put position the economy At a roaring pace better than it's ever been before. Isn't this the person that you WANNA be in charge of the economy? Once things get back to normal so that you know laying the groundwork for that scenario you're talking about a in September where things start to open back up again. And they're saying that president trump will be the person best able to get the country back up and running the other thing that you see them doing is describing the corona virus as a situation and a crisis that Any president would have been overwhelmed by that. This was something that was a once in a generation once in a lifetime event and this is something that they use the word inherited over and over again as a way to describe that. This isn't his fault that this is something that he's tried to manage. And then the third part of it to your point Is also you know trying to make the argument that he's handled the situation well Given the current circumstances but David I think you know the even broader point here is these are decisions that are being forced to be made on a day to day basis. You know You know campaigns to a certain extent are always a impacted by events. You know as much as you want to plan for things. You often do not get that opportunity because things happen. But this is on a level which we've never seen before and I think you're GonNa see these candidates Being forced to adapt to these things. you know the way things look today is? GonNa look so much different than a month from now than they were in July and beyond Eric. I'm wondering so in your conversations with the Biden Folks Ryan and I were talking a bit ago about this notion of a referendum on trump or a choice. Do you sense from your reporting? That team Biden is prepared for the trump effort to make a choice and are they starting at all to respond back in any way or do they think the voters are just not tuned in to sort of that traditional to and fro between the candidates yet. I think they are aware of what's coming. They don't believe voters are that tuned in yet. They're aware that this is coming but I don't know about their preparedness. As I've talked to them they seem to think that the same muscles that got them through the Democratic primary and the same assets. That helped them there. Joe Biden being someone who is universally known and recognized and and has the brand of being Barack Obama's number two for eight years since the voters feel differently about him than they did. Hillary Clinton for years ago. They seem to think that those assets will continue to carry them or insulate him from Some of these personal tax. I'm I'm not sure that's true. And I think you've heard some concern among Democrats that Biden has not for example beefed up his digital operation quickly enough in this moment where there isn't a lot he can do in terms of of on the ground organizing events so. I think they see it coming. They're aware and they think that they're going to be able to respond to these personal attacks in a forceful way. That undercut their effectiveness right. They think that anything trump can give them. They can can give back even stronger. The other piece of business that they need to accomplish of course is picking a vice president. Joe Biden has said that he is going to pick a woman By the end of this week we expect some formal announcement roll out of the process. And how they're doing the vetting and who's running for the Biden campaign all under the shadow of this Tara Reid story that is not going anywhere. This woman who worked in a Senate office in Nineteen ninety-three who is alleging a sexual assault that Joe Biden. She says committed on her and now our. Mj Lee just reported that she had spoken to a neighbor of Tara. Reid's from the mid nineties who recalls Tara Reid telling her this story of sexual assault Back in the mid nineties and each one of these female potential. Vp candidates get asked about it like Stacey. Abrams did on Don Lemon Leslie. Here's a little snippet of that. I believe that women deserve to be heard and I believe that they need to be listened to but I also believe that those allegations have to be investigated by credible sources. I believe Joe Biden and I think that he is telling the truth and that this did not happen Eric. Is there any sense for the Biden campaign that they want the candidate himself to address this tar read allegation head on? I think they're increasingly aware that he's going to have to and I listen to understand something. This is to me. One of the more frustrating parts of as a campaign reporter being off the road not being able to To cover these candidates in-person we're doing the best we can and the Biden campaign is sometimes making him available for interviews especially with local outlets is doing these virtual town halls. But what we lose in. This is the in-person opportunity to to ask questions at an unscripted or perhaps unexpected away. But because of this moment and because we're not getting that in person access there haven't been opportunities to ask those questions in a press conference or or something like that so biden hasn't been forced to answer questions directly especially in light of the new reporting about about read having told neighbors at the time so. I do think the volume of this has made clear to the Biden. Folks that they are going to have to have him personally respond at some point what that will look like. I think there's so disagreement uncertainty over that but this story is not going to go away and it's certainly not going to go away until Biden himself response to it guys. I'll have to have back our next conversation. Go and do the reporting on both your campaigns and find out if they think just a mosh entering. This racist Libertarian. Makes it more difficult for that candidate or makes it easier for that kind of? I'm dying to know the answer to that question. But David the president already said he welcomes emotion to the race so he he compared him to Jill Stein. So there. I've already done some reporting for you. Ryan Nobles Eric Brenner. Thank you so much for being here. Stay safe on the virtual trail. Thank you all right. Thanks David and thanks to our listeners. As well remember we publish a new episode every weeknight. So please subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. While you're there considering leaving a rating or a comment it helps other people find the show. If you want to tweet about the podcast please do so using the Hashtag the daily DC. Stay safe stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow.
As impeachment momentum builds, will Joe Biden become collateral damage?
"Impeachment Watch our podcast is dedicated to bringing you the very latest developments in this historic impeachment inquiry in the President Donald Trump later on I'll be talking with veteran demo hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC AH signaling is so important for Biden to just make them feel better about that situation yeah it's hard to imagine that if you were designing a campaign playbook and trump should be removed from office immediately it also puts a lot of pressure on Joe Biden to to reassure Democratic voters voters are genuinely afraid that that there's going to be some kind of weakness in whoever they nominate that trump is going to explode of course the biggest change is that this is the first time these Democrats are coming together after Nancy Pelosi launched the impeachment inquiry in earnest eight in the same way that he tried to exploit the email saga for Hillary Clinton and Biden's challenge right now is ensuring voters that was what was ethically wrong or corrupt is something that he can handle that is not going to become an Achilles heel for him and right now I don't think they want to show voters that they are ready and tough enough to be up against Donald Trump but at the same time they are trying to argue that Hunter Biden on ABC's Good Morning America this morning as he faced to these questions about his service on these foreign boards while his dad in a heart attack and having two stents put into his chest so obviously a lot of eyes on him to really since the last debate this issue with Ukraine and Hunter Biden and whether or not it was just a mistake or a lapse of judgement but not anything that was that are new in this environment than existed in the last three debates one Bernie Sanders is returning from the medical sidelines after supper switch all of the candidates agree that the president needs to be impeached and yet they are all running to run against him in twenty twenty I mean like incongruous having the impeachment of Donald Trump's something all these candidates agree on looming over this debate stage museum for the debate well first of all it's weird to have a debate Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden have emerged into a tier of top two unto themselves they are they've separated themselves entirely from the it really I well I we've never been in a situation like this before as a country and secondly it really is an awkward to step for some of these the pack and while that started to happen in the when they met in September it has just completely formed that way I think in advance of tonight's debate and then Tori that you would have chosen to have hunter Biden gave an interview on the morning of this debate you reference some of the things he said I want you to hear a little bit we're GonNa see a lot of the candidates exploiting that really fully tonight I think many of them agreed don't do Donald Trump's work for him but at the same time I think for voters things are having made so it's debate day obviously this is the fourth debate in the Democratic Series of debates for this cycle and obviously there are a few things to be in the middle of something that is a swamp in in many ways and so I take I take full in the House of Representatives that's no small thing to have a constitutional crisis going on while candidates come to the debate stage to debate and that's where I want to start with you what what does the adhere isn't the wrongdoing of taking money or somehow Joe Biden trying to fire prosecutor for his sons Ah I can't explain to you how much ptsd there is in the electorate right now people are afraid of Hillary Clinton from Hillary Clinton from two thousand sixteen responsibility for that do I did I do anything improper no now as you know abby in all CNN's reporting of the story there has oh you took away from Joe Biden over the weekend but when the former vice president announced his policy that if he were to be president no family member associate would be allowed to serve on a foreign entity on son's behalf what hundred saying here that he gets the optics of this were terrible it seems and it I don't to me that's an implicit acknowledgement that what he did is vice president was wrong yeah it's really tricky to say I would never do this again and also say I don't think there was anything vice president I think that it was because I don't believe now when I look back on it I know that there was an did nothing wrong at all however was poor judgment been no wrongdoing found in the way that donald trump alleged whatsoever on the part of Joe Biden or hundred Hunter Biden is getting wrong with it if there was something wrong with it then there should be no problem with doing it again so it's tricky but I do think it was the right move for for Biden to make because I don't think you're gonNA find many democratic of his rivals saying oh it's perfectly fine for the scenario to repeat itself in the future in fact does is it helps Joe Biden really be on the front end of this saying he's already talked about it here's what we're GONNA do I've answered the question it was incredible I will say there was a Republican operative who suggested to me that maybe the timing was not so bad that maybe what this really told voters I am the one that can beat Donald Trump and rally the Liberal Party that Donald Trump should be removed from office right now rollout of the ethics plan of saying that he wouldn't allow this administration to to your Republican operatives point is you're saying I do think they packaged around those two things you know honestly it does not feel like many of them are are delving into the incongruence of that too much clear to me is once they knew that hundred was going to sit down and do this interview and they understood when it was going to air that's when I think they packaged the rest of so supportive of of this notion but I do want to just tease out a bit more of why I agree with you that it is an awkward dance for somebody kinds of things yeah I I do think all of our reporting from the campaign indicates a this was not something that they initiated and organized but something they were aware of and what seems pretty the candidates right now know that the desire among the base to talk about impeachment is very high and to support impeachment is very high and wins shutting it down at the beginning of this process maybe that's true but I also think that there's a great amount of risk in the former vice president the maybe not so desirable timing one hundred Biden interview to just put out what indeed the vice president's plan would be as as president on who was not really a political person who's had all kinds of twists and turns in his own personal life being out there just having a lengthy free willing interview in which he's talking about welcome back to the daily DC impeachment. Watch I'm David Chalian I'd like to welcome to the podcast democratic political you say well I can prosecute you know this is a Comma Harris Line I can prosecute the case right now in addition to next November if Donald trump is remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Hi Everyone I'm excited about the inspiring I that is a tough message to sell them I just am curious when you've been on the trail have you heard a candidate hit that better than another candidate of how to sell and I just want to pick up on something you said I think you are one hundred percent right I can't imagine any of his Democratic rivals trying to go there in some way with him on this Senate Democrats who are running for president who are on the Senate Judiciary Committee who might have a role in bringing witnesses forward on the Senate side and I think they're trying to use that Liam then many and said they would not allow this so I also think you know the timing of this Hunter Biden interview was just really I news event in the lead up to the debate is the way that the binding camp would have designed what they wanted for debate number four probably not but I'm going to disagree slightly with I guess we have joining us this season on boss files this week it's Dallas Mavericks. CEO Cynthia Marshall She was handpicked by team owner Mark Cuban and tasks on this and so I do think that the quicker you can get that out there the better because now what Joe Biden has is he has the words of his son each but not removed from office ultimately Abby Filipino. You've gotta run and get on television thank you so much for joining me I really appreciate the great thanks for having me we'll be right back about the rollout of this hundred Biden interview this morning do you think having hundred out there all day being the driving sort of with cleaning up a toxic work environment fees fulfilled her one hundred day plan to turn around the team leadership taking the organization from no women in leader Salaam and CNN political commentator Maria Cardona Maria thank you for being here thank you for having me David so I want to pick up where I left off with abby from the strategist point of view we were talking about what Abbey was saying and agree with what she was saying a Republican strategist told her while I don't think to your point it would have been ideal if they had put together the conflict of interest himself when he has been rabidly corrupt throughout his administration and he's been unendingly unethical on every single issue and he started to get really good at is hitting immediately and focusing on the president in a very matter of fact way as opposed to being defensive to what it is that Hunter Biden has it's been incessantly in decent in the way that he treats everybody and I think that is going to be the focus not just of the Biden campaign but I think of all of the outages as to where and when the rollout and the Hunter Biden interview would have come it probably wouldn't have come today but at the same time they're not controlling how the news is coming shipped to fifty percent she is a force to be reckoned with I hope you'll check it out today and subscribe boss Files Online said and in fact I spoke to some folks yesterday on the Biden campaign and they said exactly what you said earlier which is they had nothing to do with setting together setting up the Biden and if he had said that from the get-go I think things would have been maybe a little bit smoother and tell me if you disagree in your conversations with folks at the Biden candidates tonight they are going to focus their fire on this president. I'm sure you're right about that I do want to ask you more broadly not just about not the debate tonight necessarily but more here because she really understood I think the history of impeachment and how divisive of an issue it is I mean you know so overall and being aggressive in going after the president in going for the jugular and I think that at the beginning they were a little bit defensive on these questions and what to push past just a split evenly a country that split evenly so I wonder what more do you think the Democrats have to do to make their case to the American people for this to be John I think that's where they are now that's where they need to live they need to underscore the fact that this president is laughable that he brings us up when he is a walking think of a more constitutionally divisive moment and you know that you need to bring the country along with you in some way all the pain was they didn't WanNa give an inch on anything initially other than pushing back on the president so they they spent the first couple of weeks of responding to any question relieving Hunter Biden as out there right now showed the country's basically split it's basically evenly and these are polarized time so I don't know that a republican convince the country them especially the ones who are in the Senate this becomes a very important issue a they'll be testing of both Dave will be casting vote and there are some there are some of these you're asking the wrong question focus on the Donald Trump has done which is talked to a foreign leader about digging up dirt on political that's exactly right that's exactly what it has been brilliant in her timing because she hasn't let her passions and the passions of the base rule the day if you will
New polling numbers reveal a partisan divide on impeachment
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They don't have Mitt Romney in their midst they don't have people everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment TMZ even more than hourly so how you view this is how you view the trump presidency but his approval rating is still in a pretty good position Doc thus far numerically in favor of impeachment and removal which is how we asked the question fifty percent of Americans in this poll jeff say the they are now in favor of impeachment and removal of the president however I think the other thing this poll shows is that there is real partisan polarization setting into this conversation about impeachment in a really significant way sort of where you sit politically is how you see this impeachment matter what a surprise I think is proving to be successful inside these poll numbers if you look at them is to make sure that the Republicans are fully formed as a line of defense around him I want you to hear what he support for impeachment and removal so this just shows I think we've seen over the last few weeks the White House is has pushing back strenuously the president our lease achievement and removal that largely is made up of independence and even some Democrats who initially were not sure of this so I think we're what about a month in to this richman inquiry when Speaker Pelosi you know abruptly said after a lot of other evidence came forward phone calls etc that The House Democrats would launch the impeached the daily DC Impeachment Watch Jeff hit avid great to be here we released a brand new poll here at CNN today a poll conducted by SRS That shows a high water mark they stick together you never see them break off it's like a backhanded compliment of the Democrats president trump that they don't have a Mitt Romney in their midst I mean yes there is fifty percent approval support for impeachment and removal that means there's fifty percent who believed that the president should not be for at this point is presidency but for for president trump he is holding steady he's not taking on water in terms of approval as impeachment is unfolded I think that's a totally but what if you if you look inside that forty one percent approval number that we were just talking about ninety percent of Republicans approve of the job the president is doing we are keeping you up to date with all of the latest reporting and analysis regarding this historic investigation into President Donald Trump in a few minutes we'll be talking with Mike Shields Shen given everything that's going on right not a good position historically he's at forty one percent in this poll I think compared to all of his modern day predecessors only Carter was lower going on almost three years ago the reality is he has consolidated and commandeered in some cases the the Republican Party inquiry so I I think what is probably the biggest surprise it's moved a little bit but you're right a partisan lines are harding in there's not some overwhelming a good point I want you just mentioned the president is sort of our lead daily and hourly pushing back on impeachment and one ways doing that of course which heading into an uncertain period no-doubt and he wants to have Republicans behind him and we can't divorce everything else that is happening on the foreign policy front particularly Syria I can't recall a topic that has divided Republicans so much with him but yet overall people are still sticking with him and not just the you know very conservative base of it but across the board of it so if I think that that is something he is constantly mindful of He's number chief of staff to the Republican National Committee currency political commentator but right now I'm joined by my colleague. CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny when you hear him say get tougher he's fortifying his base of support he absolutely is and that's one of I think his biggest achievements since taking office you know I think part of that is maybe the biggest reason is a fear factor you talk to Republican senators privately or Republican chiefs of staffs privately members of Congress. No one is thrilled with his tweeting how we conduct himself certainly the Syria foreign policy but impeachment is one respect that is able to be seen in a more a partisan political lens partisan fortification is the path to his success here because the more you see ninety percent approval among Republicans the harder he's to see twenty Republicans in the Senate coming on board to vote to remove him from office that just seems so far away from the Party is interested in United States president trump talking to the Ukrainian president asking for you know essentially information asking for an investigation into the Biden's dig up some dirt on are there are some privately who talk a little bit more openly about impeachment shore but it's a pretty small number yeah it seems to me that that Joe Biden Hunter Biden perhaps in exchange for for funding for aid I mean the facts are not really in dispute here the facts have just been politicized and and with the election you know so close of the twenty twenty elections already underway people are you know it's easy to make this into a partisan argument here so I think the president will continue a new urging Republicans to be Stronger here Mitt Romney is on a bit of an island at least in terms of Republicans speaking publicly the White House has done a you know a pretty successful job in making this into another political fight that sounds like all the rest like muller like other things so it is still in coming on and so my question to you jeff is doesn't this get exactly at why Nancy Pelosi was reluctant to move to impeachment to begin with she said that this is impeach forty three percent are undecided this okay fair enough but the point is there is a strong divide and I think one of the significant thing is we have seen a growth without question for me the Democrats are not able to get some republican buying are they potentially going to suffer a political backlash here that is the open question and it certainly is possible it is behind closed doors by and large so there has not been a series of public hearings to make this case to the American public about You know why this is it has to be done with some bipartisan buying that that yes fifty percent of the country says impeach and remove but if if Nancy all that that would happen and it was one of her reluctance at the very beginning and if you think back to what kind of changes it was the transcript released by the White House of the President of obviously he has a groundswell of support among Republicans but is Donald Trump's teached and even harder to imagine the Senate convicting based on what we know right now so and then what does that do going into twenty twenty with an impeached this quick break remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN Hi everyone poppy harlow here on this week's episode of Boston Kratz to make their case here one of the challenges you know there has been a remarkable parade of witnesses you know from this administration from the State Department they are testifying but welcome back to the daily DC Impeachment Watch I'm David Chalian Jeff Zeleny is still here with me and joining the conversation is former RNC chief of staff and CNN in his personal journey the impact his father and his grandfather had on him and the value of vulnerable. It's a fascinating conversation I hope check it out you can subscribe to fossils today is a different moment here so the burden is still on the Democrats and if you like fast forward my crystal ball which you know we should be careful about predictions in this business hard to imagine pains and how you break them apart and so this is a national poll it's a poll of adults which is what you have to do for something like this I think that When you start to look in local commentator Mike Shields thanks for joining us mike thanks for having me so Jeff and I were just talking about the CNN poll to add love to get your take on what these record? I didn't ask for one I'm glad you're OK and hard to imagine him not getting impeached by the House because they've started down this road imagine if if they didn't than the president would say look even these Democrats I indicate to you I don't think any president you would acknowledge would want to see fifty percent of Americans in favor of his impeachment and removal from office standing and battle through this impeachment process and then onto the reelection only dependent upon Republican support or does he not need to of the impeachment process the uncertain part perhaps is the impact their jeff we have a lot more to talk through we're going to bring in former chief of staff Mike Shields he's coming up right after President it fires at the base for shore who knows about those voters in the middle that's what this will all turn on yeah that's the uncertain part you were talking about the certain part may be the outcome els salesforce founder and CEO Mark Benny off he's out with a new book trailblazer and told me capitalism as you know it is dead he thinks billion and so to me that's the ultimate political more than a majority of the House members of the overwhelming majority of your caucus already on record saying they're supportive bears like himself should pay much higher taxes and warns about the cost of growing inequality plus his argument for breaking a big tax hearings in secret with things being leaked out of them and a refusal to actually have a vote on impeachment and that cuts against the impact of Opole like this because a a real problem for you and we know that's right because Nancy Pelosi was going to have a vote on impeachment last week and said I need to check with members and then came back and said we're not having a vote the battleground areas and the areas that matter for impeachment which is a political trial the numbers are different and I worked for House Republicans they've done some internal polling tried to stop this for months and she finally had to give in to the left wing of her party and say look I'm going to have to do this and so now what she's doing telling those running to win the house back would they also see they see their colleagues sweating across the aisle who don't want to have a vote on this so actually Kevin McCarthy has been trying to put votes on the floor which there's been released publicly in the battleground districts and these numbers are not the same there and so if if you're Democrat member of Congress who represents a trump district terms sort of political rhetorical point about whether or not there's a vote or not because articles of impeachment are going to be on the floor of the House of Representatives yeah I think it's unavoidable for the Democrats think Pelosi and they are not in favor of impeachment and so it puts those members in a really really tough bind and Nancy Pelosi won't have a vote on it and so and so you have a combination of I didn't impeach me so he is almost six percent of Democrats in this poll want to see him impeach and remove so they have to follow suit on that because they've started it so hard to imagine him not getting it are to sort of create impeachment votes and Pelosi's been pushing back on that she knows that that is bad for her members but Mike in reality there is going to be a vote as Jeff was saying art bringing back some of the independent who were with him in sixteen look I think a few things about the poll I'm a political operative so I look at this as someone who's reading polls and getting ready for impeach right but the but the but the majority has made in those what you'd call majority maker districts which are the ones that you were more in the middle short and in many areas where trump carried the district now I mean there might be I don't know there's been maybe one who came out this last week and said some things that I would consider this whole issue right you don't have a vote a sigh of relief for many Republicans for not having to take a vote on this actually not from me because Republican members of Congress earlier this is moving to voting out articles of impeachment we'll see is is not pulling back from that so these members are all going to have to vote so isn't isn't this just a short oh my gosh I want to impeach the president the other the other thing that we've seen in focus groups and polling is that when you start to ask a little bit deeper questions things like is this the number strong opposition to what he's seeing the White House have on other senators does it make it easier for Susan Collins or Cory Gardner or others to think more freely or focus on they say no there's too much fighting in Washington it's too partisan they should actually be doing our work for us which I think is one of the reasons that every time speaker Pelosi talks about impeachment she starts a press conference vote we call them vulnerable members the members in the tough seats I'm going to try and get this down to one vote so you can take the one vote and move on as opposed to a series of votes where every week you're building a record of political benefits to some of that as much as he obviously wouldn't would rather not happen and in the meantime Joe Biden is still really damaged by all of this and he continues to be and he still has money talks about this as well yeah I mean I think that speaks to what he sees I mean in some ways if you look at maybe maybe the way the history books will look at this is the president knew the Democrats are has always been the Joe Biden's high watermark was day got in because he's such a known quantity and I think he's just a poor candidate and handling things like this hunter Biden yet the president is certainly obsessed with how he handles things like this hunter Biden thing and the numbers start bearing that out Elizabeth Warren is now leading him in many places Pete Buttigieg just now starting to enter the fray and catch up to him you know my belief well look I know the president's not going to be happy with that and and he certainly makes his feelings known to the world there's no secrets the president tweets out there's one senator who is just a freshman senator but boy is he The largest freshman center we can think of MITT ROMNEY FROM UTAH. What effect does his whole can be a snapshot but it is not the long term political ramifications that you've read when you see how House Democrats are reacting to ask you just really quickly about speaker plus his decision want to impeach him from the beginning he was willing to trade that to get the Hunter Biden story injected into the twenty two thousand election and so we're going through this they're going to impeach him he I think he's CONC- in Priority Congress should have or should they be working on things like health care jobs the economy and the environment or other things voters say we'd rather them focus on other things? This is a distraction from
How can Bernie Sanders expand his coalition?
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC it's mid-february we are on the other side of Iowa and New Hampshire in this twenty twenty race for the Democratic nomination. But clarity is still escaping us. The race is still one big question. Mark the leaders in the delegate hunt right now Senator Bernie Sanders former mayor p Buddha. Jj Trading criticisms on the campaign trail. And then there's Mike Bloomberg. The billionaire looking to make a splash on Super Tuesday. He's now facing intense. Scrutiny related to remarks he made in Twenty fifteen defending his stop and Frisk Policy and remarks. He made in two thousand eight regarding housing policies. That impact african-americans. I've got two guests to help me evaluate the twenty twenty state of play. Cnn political analyst in Washington bureau chief of the daily beast. Jackie Kucinich is here in studio with me in Washington DC. But I. I've got my colleague. Ryan Nobles on the Phone Ryan is a CNN Washington correspondent and he covers the Bernie Sanders campaign pretty closely for US Ryan. Thanks for calling in no problem. David thanks for having me so Ryan obviously Sanders finds himself In the driver's seat in many respects of this nomination race right now having Had a strong finish in Iowa. Having won the New Hampshire primary and yet there is this question mark that hangs around the sanders campaign and around the candidates head right now which is can he grow and expand his coalition Because the success to date in the first two contests seems largely due to a consolidation of the liberal wing of the Party and of obviously his huge success with younger voters. And the like. But it's all happening while the moderate side of the equation is is splitting up A chunk of vote. And I guess what do you hear from Sanders? World is the plan to actually grow and expand the coalition beyond what it is right now. Yeah I don't think there's any doubt David that that's the biggest kind of question mark for their campaign right now in part because what they've told us from the very beginning is the way that they were GonNa win was by expanding the base of available voters right that they were going to bring in this group of First Time Primary and caucus goers that they were gonNA lean on heavily a group of young people that have never participated in the process before they're also going to reach out to different minority groups Latinos African Americans native Americans who haven't participated in the process before and there's evidence that they were able to bring faction of that group in but it wasn't overwhelming at least not in the first primary state so the the big question for Bernie Sanders is. We know you know much like Donald. Trump for years ago is that he has maybe add thirty percent block of voters in the Democratic primary. Who are going to be with him through thick and thin but can he bring in more voters than just that available group so far we haven't seen evidence of that but what the campaign and what you know. Sanders himself told me over a series of interviews in New Hampshire before the primary is that. Winning begets winning in that when Democratic primary voters who maybe a little bit reluctant to support his candidacy. Because they may be a view too far to the left see that he can win and that ultimately that he can beat Donald Trump. That they'll eventually get on board with his campaign. You know that's GonNa take a while for it to see whether or not that theory bears any fruit but they. They firmly believe that they're in the best position right now. They obviously have won the most votes and they have the You know well not the most money if you compare Michael Bloomberg but they still have. They certainly have a a lot of resources to lean on so they think they can still build this argument and they still believe that they can grow that coalition but Right now you know. The theory has not played out exactly the way that they promised it would and you know. It seems to me one of his main rivals. People did you. The moment the clearest argument I hear from people who Dejan his operation against sanders is this notion of he depicts it as Sanders Paints a picture that You either have to be four this revolution or your four. The status quo and booed says that leaves a lot of people out who don't see themselves in that picture where those are the only two options. What is the what is the Sanders? Cat is the Sanders Campaign Frame the argument to dispute that notion that he's presenting it's it's status quo a revolution. Yeah I think they welcome that argument in particular reason because they view that the way that you beat. Donald Trump is through passion energy and enthusiasm and there isn't a kind of energy and enthusiasm for a middle of the road stance right especially in this era of American politics. The candidates that are winning are the ones who have a die hard passionate support and people that are interested in kind of wholesale major change. Donald Trump being the best evidence of that. But it's not just donald trump. What's happening in a lot of these house races? Alexandra Cossio Cortes might be an example of that. You even see Trickling Down To district. Attorney and Commonwealth's attorneys races at the local level that the energy is behind these candidates. That are pushing kind of a bold agenda. Take the big problems that Americans find themselves and now you know whether or not that is the successful formula. I think stands to reason. And there's certainly argument to be made and I think that the Buddha judge argument is a smart one because there are a lot of regular participants in the Democratic primary that just kind of want to turn the page on the trump era. And they're looking for someone who can who kind of of Volk vocalized that frustration. And just get back to a sense of normalcy But the sanders campaign is arguing that got to fight fire with fire essentially and that you know this is where You know the the the the kind of real passion is within the Democratic primary then eventually in November if you WanNa be Donald trump you need those passionate supporters behind them and if you offer up some sort of milk toast option against Donald trump that could spell doom and obviously there are two very distinct theories on that but that the theaters can't not GonNa Change that view of things. They think they're winning formula. And that's basically their response to the Pete. Buddha judge kind of middle of the road response right. I guess they just have to eventually proved that that theory of the case gets them to fifty percent plus one and Obviously that's not the case yet Let me pose this to you. I think sanders gave us a little clue last night on. Msnbc talked to Anderson Cooper on our air. I think he talked to Chris. Hayes on MSNBC Came up this notion of Delegate accumulation and the convention and it seemed that. Sanders was saying Something a little different than he was saying for years ago. Which is that. He said he he thinks. I think that it is not really tenable or imaginable for somebody to walk into Milwaukee with a plurality of the delegates but not a majority a plurality of the pledged delegates and that that person does not walk away with the nomination now he had a whole different theory of the case for years ago he was running against Hillary Clinton who had Gotten to a plurality of the pledged delegates and he was still making the case that super delegates would come his way and and that he can upend the total delegates calculation Am I reading him correctly that he is planning for believes the likelihood perhaps is a delegate fight coming at the very beginning of the Milwaukee Convention? I think they're planning for every possible. Scenario I think is the simplest way to answer that David and I and I think that his campaign you know their best case scenario is that this. Winning begets winning. And it's a ball rolling down the hill and eventually He's going to win so much that it's not gonNA matter what the situation is in Milwaukee but they certainly understand that these at least I two results and then the polls going forward show a very fractured Democratic Party. Without one clear emerging favorite that DEMOCRATS ARE UNIFYING BEHIND. And if that is the eventuality where you still have maybe four candidates five maybe candidates that are continuing on and you know each one picking off different states here or there and because you know you don't have winner take all states that means that everybody is collecting delegates. Along the way that they're certainly that possibility that you had to Milwaukee without a candidate You know having the majority of the delegates and they want to be in a position to say that they've got the most of those delegates. Maybe not not you know more than fifty percent. But they've got the most and I think the argument that they would make to to that the difference between two thousand sixteen and now is that there was only two candidates that time around. And this time you've got a wide range of candidates and if you get into a position where you're like that in Milwaukee are really having a different conversation but it is interesting. David the point that you're alluding to is that when the shoe's on the other foot for Bernie Sanders and he finds himself maybe in the pole position but not necessarily a winning fifty plus one that exactly changes a little bit. I think that we'd be naive to just ignore that. I think that's an excellent point on that when you nexium see him the either you believe of the rules that it's any which way to get to fifty percent plus one on any ballot which is what he believed in two thousand sixteen or you believe. No if you have the plurality you really should just be handed the nomination. You can't believe both so. I look forward to you getting clarification from him on that. No we should perhaps mine but you know the other thing too is that they have changed the rules a little bit too right. I mean the super delegates don't have nearly the the influence that they had for years ago. Which was one of the his big complaints about the process in twenty sixteen. That doesn't change that fundamental fact. But you know I I if they were GONNA try and wiggle out of it. They might argue that. The rules have changed and so therefore. The dynamics of everything have changed if nobody comes in with a majority of pledged delegates. The super delegates may have more power than they've ever had before it and that's really Ryan Noble. Thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it talk to you soon. Thanks David all right now. I'm turning to Jackie Kucinich a CNN political analyst and Washington bureau chief of the daily beast. Jackie welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for being here. So you heard Ryan just talking about Bernie Sanders there. We did not get to one thing which I am very eager to see which is how Bernie Sanders is going to handle Michael Bloomberg We see how he's handled rhetorically since Bloomberg got him. Which is sort of railing against the billionaire like and you can't buy election which is like right into the Bernie Sanders message right. But that's different than handling Michael Bloomberg. The actual candidate entity that will be on a debate. Stage that has is spending ten times. What you're spending on the air right now. What how do you see that playing out the Sanders Bloomberg dynamic? It's so interesting. Because he's a perfect foil in a lot of ways not only for Bernie Sanders but also for Elizabeth Warren. Who's actually been taking it to him a lot more by name a lot more than Bernie Sanders has You know I got a Bloomberg has to get on that debate stage which and show up to that debate state. He's writing poll away right one. Call right But you know you would imagine that he was going he would be taking it to him on things. Like stop and Frisk on his record because it is a target rich environment particularly for a person like Bernie Sanders That said Michael Bloomberg's also pretty shameless. About all of this right Bernie. Sanders is saying you're trying to buy the election and Bloomberg's basically like indeed. He hasn't said that. Of course everybody does say no. I'M GONNA put my resources and trying to get rid of Donald Trump. Yeah I think I think the The New York. Times headline today was a waterfall of money. I mean it just it. It is the scale of this thing is just mind blowing and his wealth and they just putting into it is mind blowing in so Bernie Sanders will have enough money to stay in this thing. As long as he wants to Michael Bloomberg it remains to be seen once people see him on stage talking and he's not just your great and powerful is that we see on television how he will be received and how much work some of these more liberal candidates will have to do. You mentioned the target rich environment. I want you to hear Michael Bloomberg on the campaign trail in Tennessee yesterday. Getting questioned about his twenty fifteen comments at the Aspen Institute where he defended the Stop and Frisk Policy I want to get your thoughts on the other side. I don't think those words reflect what How I lead the most diverse city in the nation and apologized for the practice and the pain that it caused but it it was five years ago. And you know it's just not the way that I think and it does not the way doesn't reflect what I do every day. I led the most populous largest city in the United States and got reelected three times. The public seemed to like what I do right. I mean that was long five years ago. what indiscretion. Right exactly what he's trying to say is look at my actions not my words. Well this was an action that you implemented so that I don't know that that's going to be good enough. In addition for someone like Bernie Sanders. Michael Bloomberg's Comments about the Initially during the financial crisis in two thousand eight not blaming the banks for something. That was the banks fault. Instead blaming you know the poor people essentially That is also going to be an attack line and you have frankly if Elizabeth Warren to when I was in Iowa one of the things you hear at Elizabeth Warren events is that Her Marsh die hard fans. It was the two thousand eight financial crisis is why they started following her students People who parents lost a lot after the financial crisis there. They are turned on by candidates like Warren and Bernie Sanders. Who Want to take the power back from these entities and Michael Bloomberg kind of represents them not only as being Michael Bloomberg but also being the mayor of New York City so those interests are extremely prevalent So I'm sure his team. Is You know putting together all sorts of stuff on this but having these progressive candidates with such a microphone I. His response is going to be critical To his candidacy. One thing we've seen them put together. Is that after the resurfacing of that? Two Thousand Fifteen audio about defending stop and Frisk with some language. That many people felt were racist or harmful They rolled out three Congressional Black Caucus. Endorsements yesterday Lucy Mc bath and Greg meeks and The representative from the US bi They rolled out three of those. Then today. You mentioned the story about his two thousand eight comments at the had about sort of I. It seems to me like he was blaming. Congress for changing the redlining redlining rule rules that more people that shouldn't be getting loan should because I mean it's it's like the exact opposite of what so many of these Democratic candidates have campaigned on Joe Biden on the view today was like. I can't wait to debate him on on redlining the statement that they put out to try to spend his no no no he was saying that something bad happened after something. Good that it was good that the redlining came to an end but then the financial crisis happened. Because of that I look but like I say good luck and yet he the massive amount of spending the overwhelming force that he has. I mean. I don't know how he's going to hold up to all this scrutiny but he he is showing already as you said as the man behind the curtain and we haven't seen them yet but but in that role he's digging into the African American the Joe Biden had he's making progress he certainly is but I again I would be. I would be curious. It's a sight unseen. This is a lot of hype and the most important thing as you know to. The Democratic electorate is beating Donald Trump. And so if they think that he's going to be a weakened candidate because of some of the things he said because some of the things he'd done going up against the president that's going to be his biggest Achilles heel. We just have to see because the scrutiny is just starting if there's one clip of him saying stuff like this. It's not like Michael Bloomberg was shy about interviews I I would guess that there are a few. Yeah I would guess you're probably right. I wonder and I don't know the answer this because I haven't really This is not a question I post voters when I'm out on the trail though I will going forward right to your point of the calculation of beating Donald Trump does the bank account. Just answer that question for them in a positive way that even with taking these hits that he's going to take on. His record is his commitment to just spending a fortune the thing that they see as oh maybe just because of that he is the one that could beat. Donald Trump. That is definitely a part of this and that could be calculation We'll just have to see where the electorate is. Once they know more about Michael Bloomberg. I mean let's not forget. He hasn't even been on a ballot yet. Super Tuesday is is his Super Tuesday. is. Tuesday is going to be the first time we really see him. You know put some points on the board. It's just been you know he's like in your toaster on your TV. He's everywhere right now. Alexis like Michael Bloomberg Choice. I'm fine until we can. He needs to prove that he can win. With all of this money. Otherwise it's just a lot of investment trying to assess. Jackie how much scepticism I hear in your voice I think like I I hear Psalm. Right and I share your skepticism. But do you. Are you so skeptical that you think this is not a real thing or you think there is? The potential for this to become a real. Wasn't I was really surprised to see him. Cutting into Joe Biden's african-american vote already and that that says to me that people are taking a look at him now. They haven't kicked the tires yet. And and that's and that's what I'm waiting to see when voters actually start. I mean a lot of these states. It is important. It's not like Iowa and New Hampshire. You have to have dinner with them right but they do care How about you know what he has to say about healthcare. That's going to really important assessment for a lot of voters. Because that's the first thing you always hear from people that they care about the most so I think what he says and how he says it and who he says it too is it. It's too soon for me to tell okay. Will you come back though when I get definitely more data and see how he performs either at a debate or after he put some points on the boards? I want to hear your thoughts. Absolutely Jackie Kucinich. Thank you so much for being here. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you friendly reminder to our listeners. We've got a new episode of the daily DC every weeknight. So please subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. While you're there considered leaving a rating or comment. It helps people find the show. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow.
Bernie Sanders "Rips the Band-Aid Off"
"So while we are winning the ideological I have concluded that this battle for the Democratic nomination will not be successful but I see the crisis gripping the nation I cannot in good conscience continue to balance the campaign that cannot win. And which would interfere with the important work required of all of us in this difficult hour everyone. I'm David Chalian the CNN political director. This is the daily DC just one day after a highly unusual. Wisconsin primary taking place during this corona virus. Pandemic for months Senator Bernie Sanders calls it quits. In the twenty two thousand Presidential Campaign Kinda Sorta he is suspending his campaign and that completely freeze up the way for Joe Biden to be the presumptive Democratic nominee. The candidate through a very crowded field to be the one to take on Donald Trump in November. I could not have to better people to talk about this moment. In American politics than the two people covering these candidates for US constantly over the course of the last year Ryan Nobles who has been covering the Bernie Sanders Campaign for us and Arlette Signs. Who is on the Biden Campaign for US guys? Thank you so much for being here. Thank you David we appreciate it Ryan. Let me just start with you. Sanders suspends his campaign. He calls by it in a decent man but there wasn't really much more about Joe Biden or looking forward to exactly what his combined effort would biden will be like A. It seemed to me and I would love to hear what your reporting is on this. It seemed to me. This was after weeks of carefully thinking through and not just thinking through but also executing ways in which to bring his supporters along on this journey to this moment where he suspends his campaign and says Biden is going to be the nominee. I think you're absolutely right David I think that the campaign is known for quite a while that the race was effectively over that they really didn't have a viable path to the nomination. In what the last maybe two. Maybe even three weeks have been about is trying to figure out the best way to kind of coalesce their support behind Joe Biden. Because I think they understand that that is not going to be an easy chore and More Than Anything People that support progressive politics in to that extension support Bernie Sanders wants to know that Bernie Sanders did everything he possibly could to get the Progressive Policy Agenda of to the forefront and if he just backed out after losing a round of primaries even if it looked like it was impossible for him to win. I don't think that would have been enough for them. To rally behind Biden a based on Sanders asking them to do so even now even though he's out of the race you know he is said that he's going to remain on the ballot that he's going to try and collect as many delegates as possible. He's demonstrating that. The fight is not over and that he's going to do everything he possibly can to. Tether Joe Biden into the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party so that when he gets into a general election he doesn't moderate himself and then becomes a president. That doesn't address those needs. So I still think it's a big ask. You Know David. Just judging on social media which I know is not necessarily scientific study of the way these things work. There's still a lot of twitter is not reality. Is that what you're saying? Twitter is not twitter. Not Reality but I think that you can you? Can you already see and twitter's one example but there are also quite a few prominent progressive groups particularly progressive groups that represent millennial voters and generation z? Voters who are saying that you know it's not going to be enough for us that Bernie. Sanders says that Joe Biden. Us should be the next president. We need to actually see him. Adopt some of these progressive policy positions. So this is still going to be some work for him. And I imagine it's going to be a tough ask especially given the environment With all of us deal with grown well that environment that I just want to ask you about Ryan I did the current moment. Have any real impact in the decision making here I I mean it just seems impossible to not appreciate that. This campaign has been in the deep freezer so and that the country is going through a crisis right now so did that way on Senator Sanders. I think it certainly did for two reasons one. It didn't allow him this kind of big moment to end his campaign right where they have some sort of kind of a seminal end to it where they he you know. He outlines all the reasons that he got into the race. You know what he sees. What the Progressive Movement going forward You know kind of this rallying cry to the next stage of the progressive movement. That's the first thing but then secondly I do think that sanders himself was consumed by his work in the United States. Senate having to do with the corona virus that he really stopped thinking about the campaign for at least a two week stretch there when he was working on the stimulus. Bill you know. He's a part of democratic leadership. He was offering his own version of events as to how he thought that the Senate should conduct himself and also it just was would come across as little tone deaf. Frankly if you spend all your time talking about the presidential campaign when the rest of the world is singularly focused on this pandemic so I the way you describe it putting it on ice or freezing it. I think is a perfect way to describe. It just made it impossible to get to the next stage but I think they realized that they needed to kind of rip this band aid off to get to the next stage of the conversation in do it soon. Our lead. I know the Biden campaign has obviously been preparing for the general election for weeks. Now I mean they're going to be. That campaign is going to be the democratic The campaign of the Democratic nominee. But I guess my question is it was striking to me to see as little as Bernie Sanders had to Say about Joe Biden and he prays on the Democratic nominee the presumptive Democratic nominee. The reverse seems true. For Biden folks Biden can't stop himself in the last couple of hours from praising Bernie Sanders. Yeah you know. You've really heard Joe Biden. Really over the course of the past few weeks trying to extend these olive branches to not just Bernie Sanders but also his supporters in his statement. Today he talked about what an important impact Bernie Sanders had on American politics in the Democratic Party. As a whole in. He's really trying to make sure that he can extend the olive branches. Extend these gestures of goodwill to try to bring some Bernie Sanders supporters into his corners. And that's one of the difficult tasks that Joe Biden is going to face in the coming months Trying to get the party to coalesce in unify a behind him. You know you saw a little bit of this Around the Super Tuesday timeframe when a lot of the moderates in the Democratic Party coalesce around Biden but now he has a lot of work to do when it comes to progressive and last month we saw him embrace Elizabeth Warren's bankruptcy bill that was just one step that he was trying to take a to try to bring others in the party into his fold. And that's something that he has team we're GONNA have to focus on in these coming weeks and months and you know in his statement. He drew on a Bernie Sanders slogan saying not me us and he really wants to make it clear to Seder supporters. He's going to listen to their ideas and their beliefs going forward. Or how does the Biden campaign now wearing that mantle the presumptive Democratic nominee in more official capacity? Since all the you know the final competition has suspended. How do they move to that? In this time given the fact that the campaign is frozen. Yeah I mean so far. We're just seeing Joe Biden livestream from his basement essentially and said this is going to be a critical time for his campaign and his advisors to try to relate their message across all platforms that they had which right now just like all of us. I'm sitting at home. You're sitting at home. We're all in this virtual world talking and communicating with each other. And that's something that the biting campaign is going to have to learn how to navigate a also one big thing going forward is a West. President Obama GonNa do is he gonNA come out and officially endorsed his former vice president and I also think you cannot understate the importance of this moment for Joe Biden the candidate. This is his third run for the White House. Before twenty twenty he had never won a presidential primary or caucus states. A he lost the first three and then after that it was really the momentum that he needed to turn this race around so for a man who has endured so much in his life and this is essentially the third time charm for Joe Biden as he appears to be the presumptive Democratic nominee. He just doesn't get the moment that otherwise might have been. I'm not saying it's necessarily detrimental but it. It is clearly no doubt a huge achievement in his life story and yet it can't really be celebrated in the way that you might anticipate absent. Corona virus would have been Ryan. When do you expect to see? Even in this. Virtual Universe let describes. When do you expect to see Bernie Sanders appearing with Joe Biden and throwing his full support behind him and you know getting out there even again virtually in ways to help the Biden campaign effort? That's a great question and I don't think they even know the answer to that yet if you just go judging based on what. Sanders said today in his remarks talked about remaining on the ballot fighting for delegates all the way up to the Convention. He talked about the fact that they are going to try and have a voice in the platform committee. You know I think that there is two things happening here. A David I think first of all there is this effort by Biden and Sanders to kind of sit down and have a conversation about what kind of olive branch that Biden might extend from a policy perspective to progressive groups into progressive supporters. But I also think there's just kind of a strategic theatrical aspect to all of this right when would be the best opportunity to get that big huge I picture of a sanders and Biden together with their arms around each other hands in the air. you know they may want the Biden campaign may even want to hold off on that until there is that opportunity that you could have this big rally that brings in thousands of people in kind of coalesce all of that so I think it's GonNa take some time you know. There's no mystery here you know. He said clearly in his comments today even though you wasn't warm and fuzzy which Bernie Sanders Israeli warm and fuzzy but he was very clear in his remarks today that he will support. Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee. Which you said from the very beginning I think. I think that they are all holding out for this big moment when they have the best opportunity to maximize that opportunity To get the most attention associated with it or let you mentioned the work that had been gone on adopting the Warren Bankruptcy Plan According Sanders and his supporters. But I'm curious in your reporting. How much do you think? And maybe Maybe the answer is no. They're totally earnest about this. But how much do you think? The Biden campaign is relying on the anti trump sentiment driving everything in the Democratic Party. These days as the thing that is going to bring these folks aboard in November. That's something a sentiment that you saw them really try to capitalize and play off from the very start of Biden's campaign when he release that first video pointing back to the clashes in Charlottesville in painting. This as a campaign for the battle of the soul of the country from the very beginning Joe Biden has tried to make this a campaign between himself and the president trying to set him up as the Morel in leadership contrast to President trump style. And I think that going forward that and we've seen it throughout the campaign. That is something that they have been baking on and relying on and. I don't think that that's really going to change. A fundamentally feel that the country and that Americans want a different voice a different style of leadership in the White House and that they believe that Biden is the best contrast to that. And that's something that they're gonNA keep coming to over and over in these final months as we head into the General Election Ryan Nobles you have been following Bernie Sanders just nonstop since the beginning and just a closing thought from you. What does it feel like to see campaign come to an end? Yeah sixteen months. Did the count David. You first called me. In December of twenty Eighteen I guess it was asked me if I wanted to cover the sanders campaign. You Know David. It has been such a roller coaster. When you think about it. I mean he started off as the front runner before Joe Biden got into the race he raised millions and millions of dollars had kind of a swoon over the summer where I it looked as though his campaign was sputtering and not going to get on track. David I find it. Remarkable that we've had this whole conversation about Bernie Sanders campaign and this is the first time I'm going to mention that. He had a heart. Attack is still unbelievable to me but that heart attack a turned out to be a turning point for the campaign. That's when he brought in the support of Alexandria Cossio Cortez from there. It was all an upward. Swing leading into the Iowa. Caucuses is You know I think the turnout numbers. Just weren't there and some of these early states in that perhaps was our first indication that maybe this wasn't The the kind of progressive coalescing of the Democratic Party that we once thought it was going to be. But Man I think back to when I'm going back through some old tweets right now to just reminiscent this campaign and I think about the night I spent with him in San Antonio Texas ironically let signs hometown where he had where he had just captured the Nevada caucus with just monster numbers and thinking for the first time that perhaps I was covering the next nominee for the Democratic Party in boy within about a couple of days that that quickly turned around. And there's going to be many stories written about what went wrong but boy I. I don't think we should forget that Bernie. Sanders was extraordinarily close to winning this Democratic nomination. And for somebody who you know. Five years ago was virtually an unknown member of of Congress at the United States Senate. His climb was remarkable and there's no doubt that he's had an indelible impact on American politics going. Yeah he certainly had it potentially within his grasp that night. I'm sure he thought you were covering the next Democratic nominee. Also that night But you know he. He never made substantial inroads across the board with the African American vote That that Joe Biden had and you can't win the Democratic nomination without it so any story that looks back on sort of what happened That will be a key part of it. No Doubt Ryan you've done a tremendous job Covering this race for US I am sure our lead is a little jealous of the rest. You're GONNA get now. She gets none. I'll have to help our legs. I'm GonNa join our team now. Guys thank you so much I appreciate it. Thanks David and a special thanks to our listeners. As well remember we publish a new episode every weeknight. So please subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. While you're there. Consider leaving a rating or a comment. 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Biden Faces Growing Global Tensions
"This podcast is sponsored by stamps. dot com. hi everyone. I'm gloria borger. Cnn's chief political analyst in for david chalian today. And this is the cnn political briefing. Here's what you need to know. In politics. For thursday march eighteen twenty twenty one. Tensions are rising and us relations with russia and china will discuss that plus asian. American discrimination is front and center in congress today and finally why some house republicans voted against honoring the capitol police who defended the capitol during the riot while domestic politics has focused very much on the cove nineteen vaccine the start of the biden. Administration's foreign policy is being marked an escalation in tension with both russia and china and yesterday just hours after president biden agreed that president putin is a killer. Russia's ambassador to washington was recalled to moscow to determine how to move forward with relations that is something that moscow has not done in a very long time and president. Putin himself also said somewhat quizzically that he wishes joe biden nothing but good health. Were still trying to figure out. Exactly what president. Putin meant by that after four years in which president trump refused to directly take on president putin including russian meddling in the election. Joe biden is pledging to hold the kremlin accountable for interfering in the twenty twenty elections as the intelligence report released this week states. Also the biden administration is talking about holding russia accountable for the solar wind cyber attack but president biden out that he thinks he should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time noting that he had renewed the start treaty with russia on another front. Us s. china. Tensions are running high. Today is the first face to face meeting between the bible administration and president jeez top diplomats the meeting is taking place in alaska and american diplomats are not holding out high hopes for any kind of agreements or breakthroughs. And all of this right now. The biden administration has made it clear that it intends to hold china accountable for what it calls economic coercion of. Us allies aggression towards hong kong. And the cyber attacks in the united states. President biden is facing these issues with china in a different way from his predecessor who used largely tariffs as a way to counter attack with the chinese. Now here's what else matters today. In an unprecedented hearing on capitol hill asian american lawmakers in the house testified about discrimination and violence against asian americans. That has been on the rise in the united states. Senator tammy duckworth along with congresswoman doris. Matsui judy chu and grace mang all spoke about what they see as an unacceptable rise in violence against asian americans but what was most striking in many ways. Were these remarks by texas republican chip roy who criticized what he called attempts to police free speech in this country. I'm not going to be ashamed. Of saying i pose. Chai calms pose china's communist party. And when we say things like that we shouldn't be worried about having a committee of members of congress policing our rhetoric because some evildoers go engage in some evil activity as occurred in atlanta georgia congresswoman. Grace mang gave an impassioned response. Your party and your colleagues can talk about issues with any other country that you want. But you don't have to do it by putting a bullseye on the back of asian americans across this country on our grandparents on our kids busy. Hearing was to address the her pain of art community and to find solutions. And we will not let you take away from us. The fallout from the atlanta shooting continues to rattle the country. There's one report that notes. One hundred forty nine percent increase in anti asian hate crimes in the united states since two thousand nine hundred nineteen and according to one asian american advocacy group. Asian americans have been targeted at least five hundred times in the first two months of this year. We should also add that. The sheriff's deputy in atlanta has received considerable backlash. He said that the suspect had had a bad day on the day that he killed eight people. And there's lots of criticism saying that this highlights the different treatment white suspects receive from law enforcement and finally today the house of representatives passed legislation in rare bipartisan fashion toward the congressional gold medal to officers at the us capitol police and the metropolitan police department for their work. Protecting the capital on january six. The final vote was for thirteen to twelve but twelve. Republicans voted against this. Bipartisan noncontroversial legislation. So you might ask why well one of those opposing the bill was republican. Louie gohmert. Who told cnn that. He had filed alternative legislation because he did not like the language in the bill. That referred to the riot as quote an insurrection. Louie gohmert said he didn't like the language because it was politically charged and other said they didn't like it because it could be used in court proceedings against those being charged for invading the capital congresswoman. Liz cheney spoke out and said that in fact it was an insurrection. And this is the latest effort by some of trump's most fervent loyalists to rewrite. The memory of what was an insurrection at the united states. Capitol they lost. That's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening. And please take a moment and be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Cnn political briefing. A production of cnn audio megan. 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Republicans are pushing back on Trump - but not on impeachment
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment watch every day there's a slew of developments in this impeachment inquiry into president trump and so every day or at least every weekday we're gonNA have a new episode for you of this podcast being arrested is this where impeachment is now today today it is absolutely and it's not investigate Joe Biden Hunter Biden and today we learned that two Giuliani associates basically the folks that were connecting him was fully justified he was on it I mean he was on that train let's be clear he was driving that train and system but in any event yes and that is what is so almost mind-blowing about this whole situation foreign involvement in two thousand sixteen which of course he alleges is the Ukrainians with the Democrats which even his the president's former earn clearly trying to leave perhaps authorities didn't want them to so they got arrested on these Federal Election Dan Caldwell distinguished professor of political science at Pepperdine University but I I'm joined by my colleague CNN's chief political correspondent Dana Bash and thank you for being going far away from this entire impeachment process throughout he seems so central to the president was trying to accomplish in pressuring the Ukrainians too commissioner finance campaign finance charges. We'll see what happens in court with that but to me the larger picture here is why you know Giuliani associates so excuse a bit of the Echo you might hear and do me a favor tune in tonight on CNN to watch that equality townhall we have a local Los Angeles guest in a moment of the normal diplomatic channels of the way the government is supposed to work I mean this is a side project where he was just doing the president is bidding for domestic political when he called investigating to try to find the real root of collusion in two thousand sixteen or are these two associates of Giuliani they donated some three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to with trump friendly SUPERPAC and they got arrested today I think at Dulles Airport you talk to Republican senators all the time and Republican members of the House for that matter as well though more focused on the Senate here because of where this like where the impeachment you what was going on in Ukraine or doing maybe some of his work there to try to dig up dirt on the Biden's or get information on what the prosecutors were looking into here homeland security advisor Tom Bossert says conspiracy and said he told the president better so that's that's Today's headline in this saga but more broadly what I want to check in with you on just in the Federal Court House Democrats are also sending subpoenas to these two individuals I mean good luck with that since they're actually working through the criminal court here it's great to be here so we woke up to a new set of headlines in the dealing with Rudy Giuliani who I think is not l. will occur but we have heard in the last few days more outrage at President trump from republicans than we have ever heard over is that it does all come down Giuliani I mean you and I talked about this over the summer when he started to send texts to me and other reporters saying Biden Biden look at right and look at Biden Ukraine Biden and we were like okay obviously they're worried about Biden and this is before the Muller report it was out but it was before aged about protecting the Kurds than they are about protecting America's free and fair elections well let me start by answering that In shoe of the Kurds in Syria and my question to you is why are these Republican senators more focused and more enriched in an honest way which is I don't know the answer that but it is the question I know that you have been rightly very focused on that question because ss Lindsey Graham yes who is falling over himself to defend the president on this phone call that he had with with Ukraine falling over himself to say that there's no quid pro quo that there's nothing wrong there's nothing untoward there's definitely nothing illegal and he was this It's so stark in watching the difference in the reaction that you're seeing I mean obviously the most illustrious how you I think the answer to just let us focus on Lindsey Graham for sexual the answer to the question in that case is because he made this persuade him on other issues as security he has his ear and there is nothing more important to Lindsey Graham and other early angry when the president announced earlier in the week was it this week that he was going to pull US troops and I will deal with himself to support the president on on other issues where the old Lindsey Graham might not have and certainly not if this was a democratic president because he thinks he can republicans like him than fighting Isis fighting terrorists over there not here and the fact that he could not he had absolutely no control over the president doing something that Senator Graham and other Republicans are convinced will make Americans less safe because it will will allow the caliphate to come back of being in an impeachment proceeding yeah when he has all these constituents who very much loved Donald Trump I get that I just I'm not will allow isis to become strong again it will you know the alliances in the Middle East that are bad for the United States we'll we'll before defied and so that is the reason that he that he says I the other thing is that it's easier politically to fight on this issue than it is on the notion thirty at risk also if the president nights is inviting a foreign actor to play in our elections that to me also has a national security component we'll talk more about now I don't know I know I hear you're saying I think it just to me it begs that question of but isn't America's National C it's part of it but it's also the same reason why his competitors did this so long ago he understands that the Democratic Joe Biden which was a call for the president's impeachment without any caveat not let's see where the investigation goes not just a flat out coffers impeachment we had heard that before here's Joe Biden in New Hampshire yesterday in the full view of the American People Donald Trump is violated his oath of office betrayed the nation and committed remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com that in our next block I do want to turn your attention to the twenty twenty race because the way I've been describing feel free to disagree sorta seems like the race for the Democratic Nomination Michael thing but you see now I think a real pressure on Biden and his campaign to aggressively push back on this every single day huma lax to preserve our constitution our democracy our basic integrity I believe he should be impeached what do you make of Oren her campaign believes her early call for impeachment back in April is one of the reasons she is where she is in this race right now is that she tapped into something and job hey they're trying to learn lessons from two thousand sixteen and Clinton and dealing with her emails are Crooked Hillary and all of that because let's listen even though why Joe Biden is doing that is he concerned that he's taking on water with this attack that he's getting from Donald Trump that is my sense thing on on twitter or every time somebody tunes into this controversy which has led to impeachment it's about two words Biden and corruption whether or not it's fairer the national security implications that are at play here I know international relations is a big area of focus for you and your work can you just from your from one person which is Joe Biden one of the front runners in the race because he is the president's target in this entire scenario and yesterday in New Hampshire we heard something new been sort of reluctant getting there whether his experience in the Senate his dedication to process in this matter not wanting to just do the retort voting population they want a fighter and if Joe Biden who is at the center of this is not going to fight it if Joe Biden who is at the center welcome back I'm pleased to be joined by Dan Caldwell distinguished professor of Political Science at Pepperdine University and CNN's chief political perspective of watching this unfold right now give us a sense of how you think this current Ukraine scandal if you will impeachment in are he also as note clearly feeling the pressure from a wing in his party not all competitors I mean Elizabeth in every time we mention this we talk about the fact that the allegations are unfounded they don't do that on other networks and every time the president says you're not okay we're gonNA take a quick break down and I are going to be joined just a moment by Dan Kabul Pepperdine University please stay with US talk just frozen place impeachment took over and consumes all the oxygen it's just like it has moved to the side almost entirely except of course I was asked what the most serious threat was by will hurt Congressman from Texas to American national security and he said that he thought the greatest threat to America nationals MM SLASH CNN and the MLB postseason one pitch struck out one swing of the back and turned the tide by the president to withdraw those troops but I you know the president this isn't a surprise to anybody that listened to him on the campaign trail or paid attention to his well on on the world stage whether it was very interesting that in his testimony before the Congress the Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire General Mattis resigned and Brett mcgurk also resigned in protest that earlier December decision and we're now saying in favor of a strong national defense are quite concerned about this impetuous I think ill ill considered decision Ivanka trump tbs is the home of the two thousand Nineteen National League postseason this October I have to say about the difference in the Republican approach to Ukraine and what's happening in Turkey which they obviously are claiming is much more significant when it comes to America's national security the fact that the US is pulling out and leaving the Kurds high and dry the Kurds who help fight Isis and if this is not going to say what the president did is an impeachable offense since it's a bout him then who is I think that's fair free into the president's a conversation with a foreign leader about a domestic political opponents asking him to get involved how does that play into America's your quagmire in any way shape or form and he thinks a he promised his supporters that he was going to take a different security was interference in the elections and I thought that was very significant coming from the the leading intelligence official in the United States government wrong pushback from Democrats as well as I think military officers who have fought alongside Kurds who have sacrifice get ready to caliphate I think it's very significant of first of all the decision by the president to pull the American troops out of northern founded Dana Bash remains with us here welcome to the podcast and thank you very much good to be here so you heard Dannon I talking a little bit at the beginning of the podcast about some sized enormously in terms of fighting isis for the last five years the estimated that there had been eleven thousand Kurdish casualties area there about a thousand American troops there he previously in December ordered the withdrawal of all two thousand troops and as a result of that thomases a which is I think he made clear from the get-go he did not want American military involvement in the Middle East he thought he thinks that is pure indepth is that the parallel between Nixon and Watergate and the Arab Israeli war of October nineteen seventy-three Nixon faced simultaneous domestic and international crises domestically he fired the special prosecutor that even before we started about the balance about what is a threat to the US the fact that Republicans are jumping on going through a domestic impeachment process right now what that does with how the actors we deal with I mean it it it was very telling and it's what David was talking about before with me I mean sorry to steal your thunder David but I'm curious what you trebol Cox leading to the resignation of the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General at the same time the United States the United States intervened initially with about six hundred four hundred a and US special forces and over on that and not expose a America any longer in that theater trying as he says I think to be the world's policeman what what do you say to that now faces a domestic crisis with impeachment investigations going on and also an international crisis with his and I think again Republicans are looking to the threat posed by radical forces the Islamic state study some history because in Afghanistan where the attacks on the United States is September eleven two thousand and one we're planned for you guys to hear every weeknight please make sure to subscribe on apple podcast stitcher Google podcasts spotify or wherever your favorite podcast APP is and while you're there leave us a rating or a comment really helps people find the show we'll see you tomorrow facing a crisis in the Middle East with the Soviet Union threatening to intervene and I think in in a similar way president trump L. considered withdrawal of the thousand American troops from northern Syria Dan Caldwell distinguished professor of Political Science at Pepperdine University thank you very much for joining us today compared to about ten for the United States in northern Syria and so I think Republicans as well as Democrats as well as those sitter that because the withdrawal of a thousand troops from northern Syria is not going to end US involvement in the Middle East and indeed that's a thousand oops which by military stands standards is relatively small and they were accomplishing similar objectives as to what those four hundred and she's still member of the foreign service so her boss is still the president if he says no she might not be able to go that doesn't for this edition of the daily DC impeached through the Taliban government and destroyed the terrorists camps from which the attacks in the United States were planned so I think it would be useful for the president to watch also want to thank you the listeners tuning in the developments in this impeachment inquiry are unfurling at a rapid pace so this podcast is dedicated to that a in northern Syria and I thought I have for you is what you think having a president of the United States they will stop the former ambassador to the Ukraine of who the president had pulled from from that country she is supposed to testify on Capitol Hill and today we're recording from a high ceiling cavernous room here
One step closer to impeachment...
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Watch every weeknight we delve into this consequential moment in American history by bringing you the very latest reporting and analysis this morning the House Judiciary Committee approved two articles of impeachment. Take a listen to house. Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry. Jerry Nadler today is a solemn and said day for the third time in a little over a century and a half the house this year. He Committee has voted articles of impeachment against the president for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The House will act expeditiously. Thank you the question of course is now what. I'm thrilled to have to knowledgeable sociable guests tell me make sense of the days and weeks ahead in a few minutes will be talking with CNN. Crime and justice reporter Caitlyn Poland's she'll have an update on the role of the courts are playing an impeachment. But I I'm joined by my esteemed colleague chief political correspondent Dana Bash. Thank you for being here. Hi David Hi so I'm so bored. There's nothing going I know. It's it really quiet time here. Just like in the holiday lull. Yeah I feel two things simultaneously on a day like today. I get the sense of the big big historic moment and yet because of the way our modern politics are and the way plays out. There's something less than dramatic about it all even though we're talking about the fourth time in history reaching this moment it's anti-climactic and comeback tick at the same time. Yeah does that does that. Does that even make sense But that's I think in keeping with our politics right now and our discourse right now The tribal tribal sense of of where we are You know back in ninety eight. We were just cubs of course but there was more more of a sense of both sides taking it seriously. Now obviously the the allegations what the president were being impeached for were very very very different. And in Clinton's case you had Democrats who are really angry at him For not just the act of having an affair with an intern in the White House but then lying about it under oath oth now. The the actual facts aren't in dispute with the interpretation of the facts could not be more different very well. Said you should do a podcast. Thanks the I don't think I mean. I haven't seen a single crack from a single Republican I do. You anticipate any Republican crossing the aisle and voting for impeachment. I Know A and I have to say it's still even though I should be used to it by now in the trump Republican party. A party that he just for years ago completely disrupted it. Wasn't that long ago that Republicans did poke their head out of the hall and look around and say something saying that made him angry and you know what happened twitter fire and the ones who did it in the Senate for example Jeff Flake Bob Corker. They had to retire and in those districts. They're more afraid of primary. So then they are general precisely so that grip on the base matters totally I mean it is the determinative formative thing data on the democratic side. Do you have any indication from any of your reporting yet that these articles of impeachment are not GonNa Pass in within no credit majority. No as of now no but that said this is a really important weekend coming up because members are going home. They're on planes as we speak you know here on Friday afternoon in. DC to their districts. They're going to be. They're going to hear from their constituents and and the most important ones to look out of course. Are Those thirty one. Democrats in so called trump districts where the president one and They've already been hearing hearing about it. Those members have been saying that their phones in Washington have been ringing off the hook and they're going to have to make a decision whether or not first of all just to go with their with their conscience conscience with their gut about what's right but also just on the raw politics of it do i. If any of the any of the Democrats are even considering voting. No against impeachment. Would that politically even though it would make the Republicans in their district happy. Would it hurt them because you still need your democratic base to win then never mind the whole notion of primary on the left which is very possible just as it is on the right which is why the best politics here. Maybe the vote your conscience more necessarily than gaming it out for exactly that reason. It seems to me if you're in that kind of truly purple district you're going to Piss off off some folks in your district and you don't you know you gotta do that. Calculation of which side you want to piss off more than just one last thing it is possible. I wouldn't say it's probable but but it is possible. We could see different votes on the two articles one on the abuse of power and the other on obstruction of Congress. They do seem to dovetail more than articles of impeachment. The past so maybe not. But it's possible. Yeah I mean remember in one thousand nine hundred. A four articles were voted out of judiciary to the House floor. Two of them failed. Actually I see and on all four different vote totals exactly but Two of them actually failed to pass. The Republican led Congress so it will be interesting to see In your conversations. How many of these moderate Democrats or the trump district Democrats what when we look at the vote vote board? What are the Pelosi operation? Say Right now about how many they think they're really GONNA lose. Oh boy like will be ten or fewer or they think they're gonNA lose fewer than ten Whether or not that's going to play out. Can I mean just in terms of of the numbers they can. They have their their. Yeah I think seven is big enough exactly to to lose a lot but that a certain point also just is is hard to stomach politically although Nancy Pelosi into The need for members to do what they need to do back home in order to come back and keep her speaker or whomever else Wants to be speaker depending in how it goes so quickly before we go to break therefore the let's assume the articles of impeachment pass out of the House and head to the Senate for Trial Mitch. McConnell was just on Fox News last night Talking to Sean Hannity saying he is in complete coordination With the White House Council on this we have a sense of how the Senate is organizing itself for this trial Mitch. McConnell has made it very clear to his conference to his fellow Republicans in the Senate that he doesn't want it to drag out he there. We'll be a trial But he he if he had his druthers and he generally gets to get his brothers because he's a A good ah tactician he. There will be few or no witnesses and at the beginning of the week we had reporting at the White House was the president not just not the White House. The president wanted witnesses and The the leader has tried to explain to him that you know. Be careful what you wish for. Because if you get witnesses that you want we're going to have to give the Democrats witnesses that they want and that might not be so good for you Because that's that's traditionally the way it works and So it seems as though the weeks the week ended with the with the president coming around and the fact that Mitch McConnell went on on Fox News was a way for him to deliver a message through the medium and the channel that the president listened to absorb information. Better here than anywhere else and I thought that was very telling an of the times and of this president. Yeah he went on to say look. We're locked arms and by the way we're going to do it my way back. It's going to help you out Mr President that that was the message. Dan Stay right there. We're GONNA bring in reporter Caitlyn Polenz in just a moment. Please join us right after the break Omaha. steaks is the gift you've been looking for for everyone on your list. 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There's there's a lot of impeachment action in court Even this week I can tell you though. I'm a little less excited this this week that I was in previous weeks in. They're all moving very very slowly and the questions that the courts are looking at are ones that probably ultimately are not going to have much impact. Act on what's going on and impeachment right now but run through these really quickly. The main one is related to an impeachment witness named Charles Kupperman. He's the former national security. The adviser Deputy National Security Adviser so he was the person working under John Bolton. He was called to testify in house. He didn't and he went to the court and said the the house wants me to testify. The the White House doesn't what do I do. That case was in court this week and they were supposed to do the whole Shebang and they didn't The judge said. Let's just look at the first issue you on this and they had arguments and then the judge walked out of the courtroom and said happy holidays. All I'll get through an opinion eventually and so that is clearly trial may be over by. That's right right absolutely And so that's even that's not a question of can that issue still be in court candidate B. before a judge and then there's a whole separate set of questions Austrian about trump's financial records. Now those are things that the house could continue to investigate after this impeachment is over and so those cases have have made their way to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court is looking at least one of them today involving a subpoena in New York From of state grand jury from State Prosecutor and we could have some sort of answer from the Supreme Court by the time This podcast is being listened to by people Separately there's some questions in court about what what the house can access. As far as evidence and witnesses related to the Muller investigation which we thought could become something that becomes part of impeachment. But but it didn't. It wasn't what Moller had found both on obstruction and Russian interference in the in the election did not become part of the articles of impeachment at all. And and so there were questions over did did the President Obstruct Justice That the house was considering that they were going to court and saying judges. Please give us us. Access to Don mcgann the former White House counsel gives us access to the grand jury material Muller collected and courts had said so far yes You should get access to that. Those those things are on appeal. They're going to be heard in court in the in early. January by an appeals court said the mid set before the Supreme Court won't be resolved and so it looks like the house to sort of like set that aside for now and that really isn't playing into impeachment but they all sort of go together and indicate that the house is continuing to look for the courts for help denna before we were recording. Putting you mentioned you ask Jerry Nadler about the so I ask Jerry Nadler question. That Caitlyn actually helped me with Take you behind the scenes over the weekend so I interviewed him last Sunday. We talked on Saturday About the notion of the House Democratic leaders Jerry Nadler. Why didn't he go to the courts when the White House said Nope we're not participating that turned into an article of impeachment of shocked obstruction of Congress? But the question was instead of you know just saying no well. We're going to charge you with an article of impeachment going to the courts seeing if they if they Would decide his answer to me. Which Michael Gerhardt actually said that he agrees with he's a law? Professor who actually testified last week is that the constitution actually on this issue. They don't it didn't mean for this to be one of those checks and balances thing that a court should decide. This is Congress's role. Congress does have the right to get information and so forth from the executive branch. The houses houses actually been very judicious. Excuse whenever they have gone to court in this case they've only gone to court to get the grand jury materials and the mcgann Dan testimony and the trump tax transfer and the IRS. Those really are sitting outside but other people are going to court and asking for for judicial opinions historically every time there has been sort of a fight between the White House and the house over whether a witness must testify whether there are documents that have to be turned over both sides sides. Enter into this game of chicken where neither really wants the judicial branch this third branch of government because careful what you wish for right precedent set president. It said it can't be chained exactly and so they didn't do it In the the Bush years they didn't do it in the Clinton years. It wasn't really something that ever was worked out in court right and right now actually. Yesterday I spent three hours in court in Richmond in in a Just for the record she was in heaven. Forbid Yeah I'M GONNA get there but I just want to button up what you're saying so when you're saying be careful your wish were you're saying the way that the legislative and the executive can maintain power even if it's uncertain power not having the courts way right and right now. The question is being argued. Most right now is. Is there a role for the judges to come in and decide one way or the other and right now in this context for houses saying yes yes in in some places you should. The Justice Department saying saying no judges get out. We've always negotiated for two hundred fifty years until like the nineteen seventies. We always figured out a way to negotiate this politically and and now it's this question of the does the House. Actually one answer on that because some judges like in the coppermine case both the House and the White House are saying. No no dismiss this. We don't have subpoena on on him anymore. We don't we don't need them to testify. Now they don't want to get it out and the judge said in court three times the house doesn't want me to get to the merits or the end of this case. Okay now before we go take us to your fantasy. Land of Richmond Court judges and volume. Okay okay so it is like the worst of the grave really just sets up. Yeah so so fifteen judges on the fourth circuit. The Court of Appeals which is like A. All of the appeals judges in the states. Virginia North Carolina South Carolina West Virginia and Maryland. And they're sitting sitting in court and they're reviewing this question of whether the DC and Maryland US attorneys can get access to financial records from the trump organization. So when the house isn't suing there have been other parties that have stepped up and come into court and said we want to look at whether trump is being constitutional whether he's complying you. You know all kinds of different questions and so in this particular case. This was like a very technical legal question. That's kind of. It's an interesting thing for people who are following the law but what happened bend is they argued the technical part of this and then the judges maybe twenty minutes into the argument it was three argument. Goes Straight to the heart of it and they have an argument between with one another of what do we do. This is the appellate level. So like what they would decide. Either they send them back to court or go to the Supreme Court. That's what's next. And they were arguing with one another over. What do we do with trump? Like one judges saying what is the law is. Is this the law. What do we do with this president who is announcing to have You know conventions that his at the Doral The proposed of the G. Seven is Miami doral resort and they discuss that and there's another judge that saying this is totally off the rails. We judiciary don't need to do anything because has won the Doral Convention when g seven was announced there they worked out politically. This was something that that there was immense publisher on him and they found a conclusion and so they really got to the heart of can you. Can they curtail what the president is doing with his businesses under the constitution. And what kind of constitutional grounds are there Whenever you're facing questions like this the we never really have had answers on? Wow Caitlyn I love how much you love your job. How much you make Zabol to me because I have no knowledge of it whatsoever? 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Increasingly unlikely that whistleblower will be made to testify
"Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC in Richmond Watch every weeknight we've got you covered with up to the minute reporting and analysis in this very fast moving impeachment inquiry in a few minutes we'll be talking to Republican and it was a video conference and somebody was sort of off camera and not on camera an NBA official who says I've been instructed not to release statement that Ambassador Bill Taylor put forth before investigators and he clear he I think one of the most dramatic scene administration obstructed Congress and that is one of the potential articles of impeachment okay so now I have a question we all read the fifteen page opening the blockade that the administration has put up and the House Democrats attempts to break through that blockade in this investigation what are you reporting yeah that's right who actually comes here with some breaking news so Jeremy why don't we just start there there's been a new development today that sort of deals with this aid to Ukraine at all and that is an instruction that came from the present United States through the Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to my office to the Olympic State Department member employees after State Department Employees not just appear on their own it mostly have been through subpoena that that these witnesses learned today that the House Intelligence Committee has issued subpoenas to three officials in the trump administration who have not yet come in all three of these officials two of them are from the office in contempt in this case what we're going to see I think is if these officials don't testify the committees are just going to include that in a potential article of impeachment saying these are all the ways that the trump NBA tweeted this week that they were not going to participate in these depositions at it's not we don't know yet if these subpoenas will convince them otherwise but this certainly does industry is directing officials not to testify and after they get these subpoenas they say okay well I've been subpoenaed now I'm going to come in this I think might be different we saw with play into that whole blockade that we've seen not abi so effective with a Lotta these witnesses that's exactly what I'm GonNa ask you so we have seen he says that they're issuing subpoenas to try to get them to come in the first week of November we don't know whether these subpoenas will convince them become vodka was one of the officials subpoena the acting director of means if you will that he depicted in his testimony was it involving M B he said there was this meeting in which he was participating whereas than the State Department won't be the justification that these folks would be able to defy a subpoena but that funeral I'm Ford but the administration has not stopped them from coming forward and in many cases and I'm just wondering is there a difference between oem be is that person who was off camera one of these people that were that is being subpoenaed we know we don't know that although I believe that the Taylor said it was a woman and the two fishes of management and budget which handles the release of aid and then the third one is from the State Department they were all scheduled and then removed from the calendar and now the Komo Russia investigation the initial impeachment inquiry that the Judiciary Committee was doing Don mcgann was issued a subpoena he did not come in and testify and they took that to court they they tried to hold them it does hamper Democrats efforts to get at that question of how the was held up who held it up and why and how it was ultimately released of course don't forget to Mick Mulvaney the or D did not I mean what's the difference no it's a good question and I should note that the subpoenas that we've seen they've been issued the morning that that official or testifying so you're unwillingly coming in under subpoena and explain what we understand to be his role in this what is his role he he's one of the counselors people talking to pump Heo and now acting chief of staff was the former director of the office manager is a Mulvaney uniform exactly yeah that's a key point and so you know things flowing from the at this began where the whistle blowers complaint was made known about and then the release of the I believe Manton probably not but it obviously is a very important part of this whole thing of what happened with this aid and if they're not gonNA participate by the the committee is seeking to talk to one person that it seems the committee may not end up talking to is the actual original whistle-blower We testifying on Tuesday morning at nine pm there's a screen that goes that sometime between eyebrows say five am and in eight am right before they come in there affectively friendly subpoenas that you know the we are just learning as we're recording this that the in the Washington Post the two attorneys representing the whistle blower who by the way just a reminder for everyone this is a month ah your reporting here indicates there's going to be a new front on this battle of trying to get all the administration personnel into and before Congress department officials not just to find out what happened with the aid but also what were the conversations going on within the State Department as all this was going down well this certainly seems like you and my new have from the whistle blowers attorneys quote because our client has no additional information about the president's call there is no justification for exposure I'm sure but my question is has the whistle blower served his purpose or purpose and is and is done and remember you know that's that is what they wanted they wanna know they wanna know more from Him about the call about his he was working around the call Pump create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN Hi everyone poppy harlow here on this week's episode boss files salesforce founder and CEO Resident Through Mulvaney Two oh and there's a chain there but it also means that those officials probably are loyal to Mulvaney and that may be part of why the ownby may be among the agencies that doesn't participate really need to hear from the whistleblower we have the complaint and don't forget they have now all of this other evidence they have the text messages now they have bill Taylor's testimony and all of that makes it less Assis- strategy going forward is to say why haven't we heard from him where we heard written testimony before all right that was donald trump in the muller probate exactly released the phone call a month ago today September twenty fifth at the White House released the transcript of the phone call following on that whistleblower six months ago doesn't it yeah it does so especially for today welcome back to the daily DC taxes and warns about the cost of growing inequality plus his argument for breaking up big tack his personal journey the impact it was good enough for him then germs stay right there we've got so much more to discuss Republican strategist Alice Stewart is going to join the conversation we'll be right back after this break using their identity and all the risks that would follow that's the quote in the Washington Post op Ed from the whistleblowers attorneys Clearly trying now to wall off it seems to me the Impeachment Watch I'm David Chalian Jeremy Herbie's still with me and we're pleased to welcome Republican strategist and CNN political commentator. Alice Stewart Alice thank you for being here Mark Benny off he's out with a new book trailblazer and tells me capitalism as you know it is dead he thinks billionaires like himself could pay much higher testimony but Republicans are not going to accept that we saw the leaders of the three committees this week they sent a letter to shift saying you need to bring in the whistle blower and so I think that will be part of their you said it was not just be people reporting to also a state a State Department counter Rick Brick Ball is is the first State Department person that we know of that is not it's one of those figures here that he's he's circling in a lot of this and they haven't asked for him to come in and they haven't asked for any come in but I think they're getting at these days necessary for them to create a case using testimony from the whistleblower but the point you make is a valid one that Republicans and especially the president are going to use this as an argument to say great to be here thank you so I am eager to hear you who a super smart strategist inside the Republican Party worked on many campaign Ram on this resolution that he is introduced with Mitch McConnell in the United States Senate to push back on this impeachment pro I have introduced a resolution the committee doesn't really need to hear from them because Donald Trump even last night was tweeting where is the whistleblower this is a rhetorical point that the president and his allies settled upon strategy is to fight the process maybe more than the facs here since a lot of these facts don't be don't seem to be in dispute and as you know Alice clear I think that some folks some Republican members on Capitol Hill are trying to help them formulate a sort of front line of Defense here I want you to hear Lindsey substantial deviation from the house is done in the past regarding impeachment of other presidents so it seems to me one onto the table if the law is on your side pound the law into the table if neither the facts nor the law or on your side pound the table finding their way into how they're going to push back and responded seems a little to me anyway you can tell me if you agree or not a little scattershot at the moment while they're trying to find a pursuit but it is resident fellow at Harvard and brought to mind what we've heard Alan Dershowitz say before in situations exactly like this he says when the facts are on your side you pound the facts his father and his grandfather had on him and the value of vulnerable. It's a fascinating conversation I hope you'll check it out you can subscribe the boss files each moment of president trump is out of bounds is inconsistent would due process as we know it is a star chamber type inquiry and attacking the process as you say in storming into that the hearings and the testimony is classic and it brought to mind I'm clearly or using that they believe this was a blower has to testify what I think this op Ed what it signals is that it it is it really is increasingly unlikely that we will see testimony it is certainly worthy of Investigation I was critical of the whistle blower report at first blush because it was a lot of second and third hand accounting now we're hearing this is a huge campaign style battle now impeachment I mean the White House the president is under siege at the moment and they are clearly still from the whistleblower we you know the com- Adam Schiff has had initially said you know that we're going to try and bring their whistleblower working to get an agreement and lately he's been saying we don't that Democrats are hiding something why aren't they willing to bring this forward and and where is he so I don't think those arguments are going to go away even if we don't hear from him this is just a quote from that op Ed it certainly lends more credence to the inquiry when this first came out I was skeptical but it does indicate that as more information as more layers written that he will have unanimity among the Republican senators for this resolution that we just heard Lindsey Graham say that he's introducing some senators some Republican senators have already in today with Senator McConnell and the purpose of the resolution is to let the house know that the process you're engaging in regarding the attempted express some skepticism about this do you think it's a mistake for Republicans to go forward in this if they're not one hundred percent unified on attacking the house process the Republicans guy of said from the very beginning that what the president said on the call with Ukraine was inappropriate. It was ill-advised I questioned whether or not it's an impeachable but more difficult battle they tend to certainly they're going to be a little bit more of a difficult case in terms of calling for the impeachment moving forward the Republicans are doing they're pounding the table they're attacking the process as opposed to really leading this workout it's really impossible to ignore the call
Bill Taylor emerges as the star witness of the impeachment inquiry
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I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC choke we'll see you tomorrow like that meeting was being held up and then come to find out and he doesn't just piece these things together on his own he has these suspicions but he has a conversation contingent on these investigations it's this meeting and also by the way these hundreds of millions of dollars and security assistance that has already been allotted to Ukraine properly at first I think Taylor thought that the money hold up was tied simply to a meeting between before the House of Representatives before the investigative committees looking into this matter in Ukraine I I have to say I think what became crystal clear this is his worst nightmare come come true I mean he had to be convinced to take this job in the first place and and now he's finding out that everything he basically set out to do around two thousand sixteen and the idea that it was actually Ukraine that meddled and not Russia and this is what Democratic lawmakers have have really been wanting to get thank you for having me thank you now you had the amazing task an assignment yesterday to dig in to Bill Taylor's testimony due to help Ukraine is being undermined by president trump and Rudy Giuliani at a couple of other figures running sort of shadow diplomacy in the administration yeah he opening statement is going to be the through line I some films are adapted from books this film is going to be adapted from the Bill Taylor Opening Statement I now he's probably says clearly there was a regular process that he was sort of helping to run as the presence the US presence in Ukraine and then this irregular process he is really the first person who sat in front of these committees and said here is the reason the I believed that the president was withholding this money from Ukraine this it seems that he connected this term investigations that he kept hearing over and over again and that you just said we're clearly about Berea the Biden's that's to even if they say publicly they don't need it to proceed with impeachment this is what they wanted to hear and Bill Taylor David to them and if I read through the fifteen pages living that because he wanted Ukraine to I go out publicly and say no we're going to investigate Biden and his family and we are going to investigate a conspiracy theory Alinsky and trump that that was the that that the getting an actual meeting on the books was the thing that was being talked about it wasn't until later it yesterday is that the bill Taylor figure is going to be the star of the movie when this is actually on the big screen and that the narrative that he put forth in that that is also contingent on these investigations and this and you know Bill Taylor lays out in his opening statement and also these text messages that had previously been provided to the committee Edward for Biden's the Energy Company and the Twenty Sixteen Server issue in the twenty origins of the two thousand sixteen investigation into the election interference but at first he wasn't even with Gordon Sunlen the ambassador the US ambassador to the European Union and it basically confirms all of Bill Taylor is worse fears that it's not just this meeting that is did I realized that one of the key pillars of our strong support for Ukraine was threatened the irregular policy channel was running country goals to the long standing US policy thirty assistance that Congress had already allotted to go to Ukraine that all of these other departments within the government had signed off on here's why I had every reason to believe the president was with whole ending of security assistance for Ukraine until further notice he says I and other sat in astonishment Ukrainians fighting the Russians and counted on not only the training sure that the money was connected to that and when he became convinced that the money hold up was connected to the investigation that's when he really got alarmed right he he's sort of telling that he was occasionally party to but you see him throughout his testimony the way he builds his narrative his piecing together what was really going on in that irregular doc thinking about who is GonNa play him in the movie version because I think he had a pretty big day yesterday but but it is a good question and look Bill Taylor was such a you know explosive witness for them because a- at first it was bad enough because Ukraine really wanted this face to face meeting their new president's alinsky one of this face-to-face meeting with President trump and it looked eighth I heard a staff person from the office of Management and budget say there was a hold on security assistance to Ukraine but could not say why toward the end of an otherwise normal meeting a voice on the call a person offscreen said that she was from O. 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Office Management and budget and that her boss had instructed her not to approve any additional Giuliani run process with someone and Volker and and some of the Ukrainians that were involved in that as well I just wanted to hear one scene all of this assistance all of this money that Ukraine so desperately needs to protect itself from Russia is contingent on investigations that president trump wants for but appointed to but this is our guy in Ukraine and president trump and president Alinsky have a phone call and he the weapons but also the assurance of US support all the staff person said was that the directive come from the president to the chief of staff to Owen be in an and former national security adviser John Bolton do you see any way in which these two officials are not dragged into this and it goes through and he's in Ukraine he's constantly meeting with these officials there who as the months dragged on begin to wonder what is going on I think there are two names that jump out of very prominently in Bill Taylor's testimony vice president pence we know that that he describes where he hears about the money hold up in this is his test irregular NFC secure video conference call on July eight doesn't get a readout of the call he said he didn't get a full readout of the call until it was publicly released by the White House on September twenty two months later right at you know I think we now know why for the president's domestic political purposes I I definitely think that we are going to hear from Ambassador Bolton it's impossible to believe that we wouldn't I also think that you know and you're like wait what what what's going on with this nobody bothered to tell me that this was happening nobody bothered to explain to me why this is happening yeah this is when it starts to dawn on him that the nightmare is coming true and you can imagine you're the top US diplomat and Ukraine and you're listening to this voice offscreen remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash c. n. n. hi everyone poppy harlow here on this week's episode of boss files salesforce founder and CEO Mark Benny off he's out with a new book trailblazer and tells me capitalism as you know it is dead we'll be right back after this break welcome back to the daily DC Impeachment Watch I'm David Chalian Sara Murray is still with me and stepping up to the Mike is senior columnist from the impeachment inquiry they he he portrays them as having key moments in this unfolding narrative he's discovering the shift in US policy on with this money and you can almost you're reading through his opening statement like feel this sort of sick feeling begin to take over Bill Taylor as it's dawning on him that that L. 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Beast and CNN political commentator Matt Lewis Thank you for being here thank you so I want you to hear this exchange that Manu Raju our colleague had with he didn't get a readout of the call because people at the White House we're beginning to panic once they realized what had happened on that call and it is funny you read through this and Bill Taylor does talk to food chain I really feel like today's podcast should have been an hour so that we could read every line and analyze it it's amazing Sarah we've got so much more to discuss we've got calmness Matt Lewis Coming Up to join the conversation someone at the NFC who says the National Security Council who says you know the call could have gone better and as I was reading that I just kept thinking of the number of times president trump has said it was to help him out politically yeah purely purely to help is domestic political the other thing Sarah I don't know if you did reporting around this but would don the big tax his personal journey the impact his father and his grandfather had on him and the value of vulnerable it's look through what we've heard from Bill Taylor and from others Bolton was sort of working behind the scenes sounding the alarms and telling people go report this to a lawyer go report this Pompeo essentially on me that I thought was like wait what he did not get a readout this is the ambassador to Ukraine from the US. I know not formal ambassador because he wasn't Taylor I think the vice president is going to be a tough one and I think they're going to try to get as many other witnesses under their belt to build their case before they decide to go even further up the Taylor gave this opening statements under oath right I mean he he's sworn to tell the truth I understand opening statements may be subject story I totally agree with you what are Republicans on the hill to do about it there to do exactly what he just did which is summating conversation I hope you'll check it out you can subscribe the boss files today to it's consistent with what a whistle blower said it's consistent with the transcript quote unquote it's not a real transcript provided by the White House it's perfect call it was a perfect call when immediately after the call is saying Ou could've gone better let me ask you this because is like prematurely prejudging the case look what we heard from Bill Taylor is consistent with what Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump have admitted cross examination at trial but he under oath to tell the truth when he delivered the statement while I love this line of argument which is essentially nobody should be allowed to talk about this case freak out I think you're seeing a combination of people being in denial I think you're seeing people putting the whole process on trial trying to call assistant with what Mick Mulvaney conceded publicly the chief of staff for Donald Trump so why all of a sudden would we have skepticism about this the question not the facts but the process and I think you're having people who are really getting exhausted with having to maybe not Mo Brooks somebody who's from a very safe very safe district it's a little different a lot of these republicans every single day are going in front of the cameras having to defend a new political folks are new people are tuning into this political coverage but a lot of people who watch Washington have seen the way Republicans have handled investigations not impeachment some Donald Trump has caught it some other things too including a lynching some people believe that but for a lot of more sophisticated viewers I think the process is being used matters that old saying if the facts aren't on your side argue the process and maybe that's what Republicans are doing here but it is true an average person watching they look guilty I mean they looked defensive and but I do think there are a lot of people out there still maybe you know forty looking pretty defensive right now and here's an example I it gets your point I want you to hear two members of Congress a Democrat did he thinks billionaires like himself could pay much higher taxes and warns about the cost of growing inequality plus his argument for breaking investigations necessarily but any kind of investigation when they're in power so can people at home not sort of like smell the hypocrisy on members are for anything to do with the constitution. Let's say I mean unless Donald Trump abandoned the Kurds because he wants to build a hotel in Istanbul or he wants better the indefensible. I think it's starting to take toll but does that work I mean does the idea you're just gonNA panic and say that this is an unfair process I mean maybe and a Republican in their totally different reactions to the Taylor testimony yesterday I up you're going to hear from Andy Levin Democrat Republican Congressman from Alabama Brooks on the hill today about his reaction to this opening statement give listen for Mr Brooks visit the opening statements in order to garner more support for their impeachment effort and be successful I don't mean successful removing the president will the Senate Political Calculus aside I mean the sworn testimony when it only confirms everything else we know so to that point Matt if the facts really aren't in dispute from all sides we're getting the same ed or something you know the Republican base that they have bought into the idea that this is a coup and a witch hunt and fill in the blanks a but it actually may do more influence impeachment than some of the actual details about Ukraine likewise I think the emoluments stuff down in the Florida actually kind of likes to be under siege and so he will actually invent more problems and more chaos I think the problem for him is Republicans don't like it or report on any of the developments until after I guess what six months from now after there's a Senate trial at any anybody who reports on any development between now and then in in terms of making a case that the American people can buy into in some way do they need to be quid pro quo in a way that there wasn't the walked away from that so I think when you factor all these stories in every day donald trump there's more chaos these republicans are every day having to go republican senators are going to be on board with removing the president from office at this stage yeah I think I'm probably the first lake maybe national commentator who is crazy enough to say I had a Michigan and then you're going to hear my colleague Maharaja again with Republican congressman of North Carolina Mark Meadows all I have to say is that in my McConnell the Senate majority leader coming out saying distancing himself from the president it's a little thing but it's a big thing so let me just in my final it says very clearly this is not this bill never let me finish what I'm saying I mean I my question he says relying on it why lying defend the indefensible I think it takes a toll does he. I mean it sounds like you're describing president backed into a corner I think I think he is under siege but he and people in Arizona and in Colorado some of these really tillerson in North Carolina they may get to the point where they're gonNA lose no matter tired of this Bill Taylor testimony I don't think so I think what I what is really hurting donald trump right now is is that it's not just this Ukraine story and it's not just the whistle blower every single day there's more and more chaos like leave a paper trail everywhere you go because what is happening right now is crazy so I am sure it's only a matter for bill yes yes tomorrow added up I just talked with Josh Kraushaar from from National Journal WHO's talking about some of these these people in tough races right now like Cory Gardner resort you saw trump back away from that he never backs away he never admits defeat just by calling it a phony part of the constitution you sell Republicans pressure have Donald Trump if you start to add up people who are retiring people who are from safe places like you could
Explosive details emerge from Volker and Sondland transcripts
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Thank you so we are taping this In the afternoon and and a short time ago we got the document dump that we were awaiting today which is two more transcripts from critical key. Witnesses in this investigation. The Ambassador to the European Union Gordon. SOM- Linda big trump donor and The diplomat Kurt Volker Who is sort of the Ukraine expert in this affair Let me start with Sunland. We got both of these transcripts. Remember this is now part of the process. The House Democrats releasing full transcripts of these interviews at the witnesses Came into and what seems pretty clear at the outset is Gordon. Someone has changed his story on a quid pro quo. He's certainly refreshed his recollection on quid pro quo and his changed His testimony substantially and he lays out a quid pro quo to Ukraine that he really did not acknowledge completely in the past asked and he makes it very clear that after two other people testified and he read their testimony about what he had said that he did recall actually that he said what they said he said which was basically which was and I will read this great please do I said the resumption of US Saed would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks and that public statement he's telling this to the Ukrainians and that public statement would have included an acknowledgement of an investigation into Burris. Ma which is the oil company that Hunter Biden sat on the board of and Joe Biden and that he was carrying clearly carrying being the president's water on this even though the president had told him on the phone of there's no quid pro quo. This shore sounds like one so the president says that he he actually then affirms that the President's point of view to to tailor right that there there is absolutely no quid pro quo but he is now admitting that he told the Ukrainians there is no money. Coming in less. There's this public declaration that you're doing the investigations in his into the president's political rival that he seeks. That's right it and and and what this this testimony does and you you mentioned Kurt Volker. who was the former? US Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations. It's it's sorta it paints a real portrait here now. We're beginning to see how this all came down. which is Rudy Rudy Rudy Rudy? Giuliani was a direct correct conduit to president trump that the Ukrainians wanted to deal with because they thought it was the only way they could get their eight and Volker knew wit and Sunland knew it. Someone that only did not let me just read this. So apparently in this transcripts Sunland tells the House Committee in his testimony that Giuliani's push for Ukraine to investigate. The Biden's was potentially illegal. He was asked ask illegal. Someone responded I'm not a lawyer but I assume so. This is Donald Trump's guy this is donald trump's guy. Hi Who's the ambassador to the U.. Who's now telling these house investigators? He's not a lawyer but he assumed Rudy Giuliani was doing was illegal and then he also makes the case case that as he says says it all kept getting more insidious as the time line went on in July back in July ally was all just about corruption so you see the evolution here which is okay. The president wants you to make a statement about corruption. Fine Ukraine is corrupt dropped. We're going to clean up our act. Then as the time progresses suddenly it's not just about corruption in general but it becomes about the corruption. That Rudy Giuliani Juliani wants the Ukrainians to talk about and the Donald Trump wants them to talk about which is Joe Biden and breeze. MMA sunlen said it took him a while catch onto that that he wasn't aware that Biden. Equalled burris Ma as he put it or Burris might equalled Biden But he eventually caught onto that and and they all seem to be finding looking for a way to get the money to Ukraine and go around rudy or at least get them to go away way and you know in the testimony from Volcker I believe it was. There was talk about people in the State Department rolling. Their eyes about Rudy Giuliani and understanding That he was Furthering the problem and That's just your ah said Rudy Rudy Rudy. So let me let me just ask you imagine your president trump for a moment gloria. And you're reading and you're seeing news coverage about your Guy Guard. Gordon Sunland your a big donor. You've put him at the EU by the way Ukraine not in the EU. I know so. That's a whole other matter with Gordon. Some Zimbabwe near but do you think Donald Trump sees Gordon Sunlen as protecting him in this process. Or do you think Gordon Sunland is going to be on the outs with Donald Trump. Because of what he's reading here yes. A- absolutely on the outs at this point particularly given his addendum I would I would say so. And and it's it's very clear. Someone is a negative witness for the president's case case I do at this point. Yeah I do because because what he is what he is saying. Is that You we knew that we could not get this this money. Through unless the statement was made and we told the Ukrainians they had to do it. Now Volker at some point said just forget about it. You Know Volker at some point said to the Ukrainians he said it died. He said we I had the sense. That rudy was not going to be convinced. Just that it meant anything and therefore convey a positive message to the president if it didn't say Burris Ma and twenty sixteen so he just told them drop Pitt. Wait till you have your own prosecutor general in place. Let's work on substantive issues. Let's just do that. Let's just drop it so they dropped it. And can you refresh our listeners. There's memory why if Ukraine not in the U. Gordon Sunlen portfolio 'cause he's a friend of the president's perhaps and It's interesting. There are a lot of people I've talked to involved in this in my reporting who effectively said that sunland would be they thought would be a good messenger for the President President that he was very ambitious that he perhaps had Ideas that he could be the next secretary of State And that he was an ambitious person in who was willing to carry the president's the president's water his people say that wasn't it it was just that he was trying to get the aid and he was going to do whatever he could to get it to Ukraine. Now you have mentioned how central Rudy Giuliani is to all of this is rudy. Giuliani going to be testifying before a House Committee at some point in this process. Well they haven't asked him as we know and I think there's a sense from a couple of people I've spoken with that. They don't want it to turn into any kind of a circus which tends to follow Rudy Rudy. Giuliani Wherever he goes and that at this point The Southern District of New York is looking into Rudy Giuliani. And you don't WanNa have a conflict between a Congressional Final Committee and Legal Investigation So like the House Intelligence Committee and Robert Mueller. So I think at some point I bet they would but they They probably he will. He will claim as he has stated in the past he might claim privilege because of his direct conversations with with the president. Even though he's not a government employee. Someone is asked if sort of concerns about Giuliani where they raised within the I mean this is the question he was causing being serious issues in the. US relationship with Ukraine. Did you raise those concerns. Listen says Salman. The State Department was fully aware of the issues news and there was very little they could do about it if the president decided he wanted his lawyer involved question and does that include Secretary Pump Heo and and his counselor role rich breakfast. Answer my speculation is yes. They hit a brick wall when it came to getting rid of Mr Giuliani. That's right now I. I don't think Secretary Pompeo is publicly. Described that way at all that he hit some sort doc. Wallet was trying to get rid of Rudy. Giuliani secretary. POMPEO has been the brick wall on this on this story He has he has answered questions and accurately on. It seems to me purposefully purposefully about whether he was on the phone call in the first place and and whether the ambassador had come to him for help or his employees his number two. Would you come to him for help about the ambassador WHO's GonNa kicked out of Ukraine. I think everybody assumed from reading the testimony that Rudy Giuliani was the president then sky and there was no way to you know to to fromm outside and say this is not your domain because the president put him there and if the president puts them there you you have to deal with them. The only other alternative is to go to trump and to say to the president. Mr President Rudy. Giuliani is really messing up our foreign earn policy and nobody was willing to do that. What's also interesting to me? Is Vice President pence his role in all of this. The the question is in the updated data testimony that someone filed He said that he had discussed. The linkage of breeze MMA Biden et Cetera with Mister your Vermaak. Who is an adviser to Zilenski on the sidelines of September? One meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Lansky in Warsaw. Yeah remember that was supposed to be meeting with President Trump It was pence that actually went right instead. And we're now going to hear from an aide to Mike Pence in this process before too long up on the hill And so I agree that Mike Pence is going to get more and more central to this process. These are the latest headlines. Of course the question Shenice will. What is the political impact of all of these headlines? Coming out of this testimony Gloria and I are going to be joined by Meghan Vasquez in just a moment right after this quick break. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN on Saturday the November ninth. Jon Moxley Frizz Keti Omega Kobe versus Chris Jericho for the e W world championship wrestling presents. Full gear by our the our live. Welcome back to the daily. DC impeachment. Watch David challenged. Gloria Borger is still with me and we're pleased to welcome. CNN White House reporter Meghan Vasquez. Thank you so much for joining us on the PODCAST. Thanks for having me so Meghan I want you to hear what Donald Trump ally now allied so odd to say that Rand Paul had to say say last night at a rally in Ram Pulse Home State of Kentucky on the eve of the gubernatorial election there today. He took up the president's cause of trying trying to reveal the whistle blower. We also now know the name of the whistle blower the whistle blower needs to come before poor congress as a material witness because he worked for Joe Biden at the same time. One Hundred Biden was getting money from corrupt oligarchs. I say tonight to the media do your job and print and I say say this to my fellow colleagues in Congress to every Republican in Washington step up and Subpoena Hunter Biden and subpoena the whistle blower. So Meghan there you have it Rampaul taking up the cause here on behalf of Donald Trump standing there at the rally with him is is everything. You're learning from what this White House strategy is. Does it hinge on them exposing the whistle blowers name. Why is this issue number one for Donald Trump right now right so I think if there's anything we've learned about? Donald trump and his presidential reelection strategy is that he's not going into apologize he's one to double down And if you look at the way that this campaign has tried to approach the impeachment inquiry even though there have been Efforts among some administration officials to let's say Towards the beginning of this inquiry battle to release that transcript The campaign is taking an approach. the basically says come out and fight me and so I have to say it's quite striking to have. Have someone like rand. Paul who is often butting heads with Donald Trump on foreign policy backing him on this So much of this rally From what I could tell was about having not only donald trump get reelected right but also bolstering these Kentucky Kentucky candidate for governor Income for Governor Evan and so I wonder how many more times we're going to see this kind of theme Be replicated at these kinds of rallies especially like going back to when Ted Cruz held a rally in Texas with the president was anything I would argue. We're probably going to see a lot of Gloria I mean there's a brand new Mama. Th Poll poll out today. Donald Trump's approval rating is at forty three percent. It has been It is where it has been this entire time here. Is the President United States under the threat threat of impeachment. He is facing an immense amount of pressure that he hasn't faced yet post Miller and yet it doesn't move you've his approval. Rating is good standing the New York Times and just put out a polls these in the six battleground states that he won in two thousand sixteen where he looks very very much in the hunt to win them again. In twenty twenty if he doesn't see any political repercussion. Why should he ever apologize? Adviser take a different approach well and and that is exactly his strategy. which is I did it? So what so what this was. There's nothing wrong with this. As he keeps saying it was a perfect for call. Let me tell you again. I'll do it right right. I'll say fine. Yeah no quid. Pro Quo no collusion. which hunt you know whatever you want to say? And that's the Strategy Reggie. Because he knows he can get away with it and he does he. He does get away with it with his supporters. who like him for other reasons? And I'd like him precisely because he's taking on the establishment and precisely because he doesn't play by the rules and he's not looking to get those other voters and the big question. All of us here have is. Does he need those independents. Because that's where he's lost altitude with independent voters And he's lost some altitude with white undereducated voters well according to some polls that will you know will that loss really hurt him in the Electro Zero College not the popular vote. Let's not even talk about. Let's talk about the way we elect presidents and he knows how we elect presidents so he hasn't broadened his base because he feels like he doesn't have have to. We don't know whether that's right. Calculation and Meghan. He won independence by four points. In the two thousand sixteen election it was actually part of his is winning coalition they as glorious point. They fled him in his party in two thousand eighteen. It's what delivered the majority in many ways To the Democrats in the House of Representatives additives. Have you gotten any sense that they're trying to make some appeal to them in any way I want. I'm wanting to hear what the president said last night about this impeachment the process at this rally. And you tell me if you hear anything in here that may appeal the independence. There's been no place in the country that's gone down like the area that Nancy Pelosi represents and she's wasting all over time and you know what it's backfiring you said but the media and the Democrats have launched and even more brazen assault on our nation with the deranged hyper partisan impeachment with so the one thing I hear there is he. He wants to make this a partisan affair He thinks that helps him. is is the key is the calculation that that independence who tend to not really like partisan affairs somehow tune this out then. Well it's unclear to me exactly how the how the president is trying to appeal to independent voters here. I will say though that this election today on Tuesday is going to be a test of both. Were this rhetoric is working particularly because Governor Bevin is having such a tough fight In the gubernatorial election in Kentucky he was one by A Lance Hi for Donald trump points. Yeah in two thousand sixteen I like I said I'm not sure if it's going to work with independent voters were. We're going to see how it works in places like Kentucky Today Yeah. I am eager to see the returns tonight because I think part of this impeachment landscape. Gloria is in trump country in places like Mississippi Kentucky. Can he still go in at the end even under the threat of impeachment and drive his voters out. Well first of all He is likely likely to get impeached by the house. Vote the articles of impeachment but unlikely to get impeached by the Senate so he can claim victory. He can say I won. They tried to get rid of me. They didn't get rid of me now. You have to reelect me because they tried to do it the bad way now. You have to make sure that I come back. He can use this as a tool for himself. Which is why Nancy Pelosi? He was so unsure about whether you even ought to do impeachment at all until until this until this phone call and I think the Democrats have to do a good job of explaining why this is not just about a one phone call but it's about a way of doing business and and the way the government operates which they would claim is corrupt upped. That is going to be the test for the Democrats when these hearings go public in these next couple of weeks Gloria what are you looking. Forward to in the days ahead This week before we get to those open hearings. What what other testimony are you waiting for? Is there any next development in this story. You're most keen to. I think we want to see. See the testimony from Fiona Hill. She was part of the national security apparatus inside the White House. She is the person who worked for John. Bolton and who was a witness to John Bolton's explosion when he said of Gordon Sunland meeting with Ukrainians inside the basement baseman of the White House. I don't want to be a party to their drug deal or something to that effect so I do WanNa see her testimony I'm looking forward to also discovering whether in fact we will hear from Bolton ever even privately or publicly because he's the key to this story he's the big key to this story he could be John Dean or he could not be John Dean John. Dean testified voluntarily so always different that way but he does hold the keys to the kingdom here and he is somebody who left the White House on bad terms. He is somebody who is devoutly the Anti Putin and was very upset with Ukraine aid. Not going through and I am wondering whether that had anything to do with his leaving since if you look at when he left. I wondered the same temper- tenth then was released. What the next day throughout this whole thing? I have wondered very much about his departure date. We will wait and see. I will say back to your earlier point whether he plays the role of John Dean or not. It is still hard to see on. Today's facts who the twenty Republican senators would be sort of come over and remove the president from officer. John Dean was a turning point that led eventually to Nixon's resignation. I it's hard to imagine even John Bolton if that's the role he's playing that that's the never tastes and there were taking Gloria Meghan. Thank you so much for joining me on the daily. DC impeachment watching. Thanks to all of you our listeners. We've got got a new episode every weeknight so please make sure to subscribe on Apple. PODCASTS stitcher Google podcasts. spotify whatever your favorite podcast APP is and while you're there please leave it's a rating or a comment. It really helps people find the show. We'll see you tomorrow. 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