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103. Chaos Engineering

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28:17 min | 6 months ago

103. Chaos Engineering

"Hello and welcome dakotaish. An exploration of the lives of modern developers joints dive into topics like languages and frameworks data of interurban architectures and individual team productivity all tailored to developers and engineering leaders. This episode is part of our deeply technical. Hello and welcome to the harajuku podcast. I'm your host today Rick newman and i am here today. With emeco lodge pollock hausky was an upcoming book. Chaos engineering site reliability through controlled disruption. Miko thank you so much for joining us. And i wonder if you could just talk a little bit about yourself and a little bit about your upcoming book. Jerem really happy to be here. Thanks for hosting mean I like i said. I just finished my book It's colds engineering. Crushed up. i think they're going to change the title before it goes to brand bat out the go temporary title for now for those of you who have never heard of getting engineering. You might have heard of things psych gas monkey and probably if you google determined. You're going to come up with some kind of Slogans like breaking things on purpose and stuff like that. But i guess is just a practice of experimenting on the system. Ads dot system can be anything can be big Massive can be tiny the typical here about the big ones because in the district assistance. There's just more stuff that can go wrong. And the the practice of experimenting dogs to increase the likelihood of recovering the way that you want them to recover and uncovering two things at recover. Their way you wanted him to recover is basically we do. Have guests engineering. So the deliberate practice of injecting kind failure at real world is likely to inject new system to verify that. You're samsar correct. It's a really find discipline. A lot of fun like a lot of fun. Who doesn't mind interrupting normal flow with a little bit of chaos. Now i know that at certain organization certain engineering organizations they have teams set up specifically for this purpose or maybe broader and larger tests and that many probably most there little pockets of individuals or practices. That are going through this and using this to validate existing systems. Are there particular roles that are really prominent with gas engineering or is it is or is it devops or is it more of a kind of holistic engineer. That's doing feature work as well as testing. That's a good question. I think it's kind of like an ongoing topic A lot of essary systems as three teams on devops teams to kind of adopted out as part of dave routine. Because it's an extremely handy if you're in necessary read. He care about reliability and all the tools that help you achieved. That are your friends. Engineering can be a really powerful tool to detect issues because with this investment of time on if you know how your system is supposed to work with traditional investment of tommy gun verified that it actually works want While you expected to work. So i think i'm kind of seeing more and more of of sirri type of role people who adopt ads just because it gives them so much benefit right so it certainly seemed well-suited der your devops types or operational roles that because as you mentioned it the ability to span the need to span systems. Seems like this would also be applicable to engineers in general. It might be not necessarily in those specific kind of roles or not even a particular a level of engineer but it would really be applicable to anyone. Is that right. Yeah and it also is part of what actually makes it so much fun because you know you network on just like kind of one domain when you do discuss engineering of thank you. Kind of cut across different stocks different technologists in different disciplines languages. Whatever and You kind of have to know ineffable them to actually do that so you learn a lot and like you said it can be applied in different teams in different levels. And and where does this live. I mean we already have. We might have some kind of hooks on check in for some kind of validation unit tests and integration tests and maybe somebody even hacking away at the interface a somewhat randomly. Where does where do you see. Chaos engineering come in. And what's the value. Add they're sure. typically does like the biggest To go through in when you actually need to generate the buying for for doing this because it does sound kind of counterproductive for the beginning. So when you do your unit tests and you know you might achieve your hundred percent desk coverage and you put your badge on and on and on the quiet content with dab of integration Kind of girl. That will hire right. You integrate a bigger chunk of code with whatever it is to external systems independence without interacting with gas. Engine is kind of like a the way i said this. This is kind of like a level higher than doubt you basically take this systems that run as a coal so our When they hear bucket. Jane they say netflix because they made it popular guests. Mike and stuff Right down so big distribution systems Moving parts and just kind of interactions between the sir Moving parts are interesting for guessing jam. Because you can kind of injected. A bit of randomness injected a bit failure. Kandara unverified there. Are you know what kind of facts at compounding kind of ex and might be spreading through your system so it's like an extra layer in my view on top of the unit test and integration tests. Where you tag systems as a whole the actually work in life system like a small piece of growing unit tests are integration tests. Actually take this live systems and obviously it kind of goes acted discussion whether you should be doing production or not about the big differences that you can take this life system. Even if it's not production has real traffic and you actually experimental dipping as a whole and a lot of things you know a lot of time you discover things at young you know our work. The way expect them to and failure dozen. Recover the way that you want it to a lot of this very simple staff. Just finding that has solidified down. You know there's obviously the aspect of finding out sooner than later so that you can Reacted quicker rather than running for a longer time with some kind of dog or some kind of unusual interaction between components outlined produce results that you didn't expect and also in a from the perspective of the people who actually do the work of fixing this things and from the perspective of people get cold outlined the break. It's really nice to find this kind of issue during their working hours. Right you do experiments you know when you do this undefined lifting today to do something about other than up to. Am when they see like half an hour to either like wake up and actually on this. That was going right right. And i can relate having been on call for a good decade in the first part of my career and as many have and are still on call and nothing tests a playbook or response like trying to look through and figure out issue fifteen minutes after waking up and before dawn. And you're still blurry eyed. So i can see that that would be a pretty big draw for engineers are on call and having to deal with regular and frequent off hours calls. Yeah i mean this this argument to big just land so well with whoever was on an actual on rotation once in their live mean for me. That's pretty much are we started doing. Kiss engineering where Where we did for the context. I basically started on this project where we were are working on getting a r- stuff integrated into communities micra spouse for them and That was like two dozen sixteen and like version one point or some fifty bringing too so he was pretty cutting edge and stable enough fixes were just flowing every day quicker than we could actually look at them so just to not get cold to match up night and just to have this kind of a feeling that something happens. You will be able to react quickly. That's really was the driving factor in just getting cold last night. That's that was enough to get us into this game in anything that lebanese sleep through the night and gets my vote in in your research and talking to other individuals and other organizations. I'm sure you had some great real word world stories about failures like this and maybe on call but complex and distributed systems that is really an injection of systemic disruption. An example of engineering. Do you have any of those stories that you could share. This is typically like kind of interesting aspect of this case engineering Because of practitioners they have instant they resolved but once they resolved and they done necessarily on that talk about how what. This thing was from my experience. A lot of things are out sophisticated. It's like there's a lot of low hanging fruit you know typically like the things that get us are restored conditions. That didn't executive a line across you. Know some kind of set of micro services on how to get out of sync because of the when they were starting your stuff laid out that if you actually had an idea to go and check that you could probably just stare at it and and figure it out but for some reason or another i know sleep through the review process and southbound. Someone didn't think about some kind of race condition across the different components so before even good luck into this complex tough when you resolving you know some kind of sophisticated gold race condition across Distributed system you can harvest so much like the low hanging. Fruit were just small. Things adopted a disaster. Potentially so i tend to get that question a lot and when i was writing tabuk they were like In my publisher was like hey. Can we get like some people to actually talk about the failures fix this wearing and it's a little tricky to to get people on record. Okay that's fair. I don't think. I look necessarily want to share and publish the details of some of maya past failures. Either so i can get that and see where they would be coming from there. A lot of what. We've talked about as ben large and complex more modern distributed systems and and certainly where micro services and lots and lots of different options for hosting and processing competing exists. I mean is it only for those large and complex systems. Is there room for engineering elsewhere. So i think kind of historically The sometimes started because of the increasing complexity of Assistance with a lot of micro services for people who moved from a bad by malaysia to boot gird niagara services on to have all kinds of issues to connectivity and the retry sound under back of you know thundering herd programs all of that. So i think there's definitely a lot of stuff that you can harvest just when you have an kind of like distributive system and you know we're bringing tears basically take into world by this tom. Everybody wants to run the now. I'm guessing will be saying in my book. I really try to make this. What i believe to be a strong case that it really doesn't stop or that. You know the same kind of principles on the same kind of mindset can be applied to pretty much anything like. I'm going so far down the of in the book that. I'm trying to demonstrate that even if you had like a legacy binary that he doesn't really understand but you knew something about how it's supposed to do three dries out in one of the jumped on on on basically a suggesting what would go through an example you basically bloke osama the cisco's us some proportion of cisco's i think this arise or something like that and then you can with something like that. You don't a need to see code or understand the code base you can just legacy entered the desert blackbox and you can still get volume because of In unified injected that failure. Lets you actually verify that a guy if this is failing right on the network or whatever it was You see how it actually behaves. Rather down in reading the code and understand the okay. This is how it's supposed to be working actually actually verified out like an experiment. You know you put your scientists white coat on in rubber gloves on on game on. You actually verified a. It's doing what it's supposed to be doing so one of the things that i'm really trying to change of other the kind of landscape of gives engine right now If you're searching on the internet is that it really doesn't have to be must have distributed systems you can get all the volume by doing reasonably simple things in much smaller finks other examples like for example of. Jvm one of the cool things that you can do. And now it's part of the damage forever. Is that the Ride classes so he can make things you can inject abide goads during the run time and just do some fast simple as trigger some kind of exception that you're expecting to see and verify that old out you know oldest dependencies that are built into that oldest thousands and thousands of lines of code enterprise. Ready actually do expected to do incisive. Some kind of simple fighter and very often find out Almost as it. I see what you're saying that's great. It's not just these larger systems but it's really even smaller systems even that we interact with a every day that there's a lot there to dig into and with browser debugger or anything even more local. We can apply these principles to really any software application that we interact with precisely or you know it goes further you can if you log into your g mail or ever using ad is going to be plenty of. Javascript is happening. Why not just go check what happens. When the javascript is failing to fight some data from into it is it actually going to retry or alert. Here tell the right way or is it going to sneaking some A maybe when you click save is actually going to override your staff. Were some stalemate others to house in the star and You know there are tools for it. Takes like five minutes to identify. What kind of course it's making and then start playing with out from there you can detect things and Yeah you'll be surprised. How much stuff you find. Rate to larger systems add smaller even local apps or black box testing. Maybe things that we don't necessarily have access to so it applies across a number of different domains are different. Applications is that everything is that it is it applicable to anything else's where it stops. Well you probably asking the wrong person. Just finished a book where i tried to give examples of anywhere where you can. We can apply that. I mean you know like one of my favorite kind of examples. Is that when you think about that. And i need to give credit where it's due. I actually got that idea. From dave robinson at google. One of his presentations a couple years ago. When you think about a teams does are just the same kind of distributed systems that you're doing with your machines are individuals who have their cpu's running at different speeds and have communication issues and the no lust acknowledgments across the network. If you think about the distributed systems that are teams Are basically the same as dimensions that you're dealing with. You have individuals who have their superiors in their heads on the go. At different speeds to communicate they miscommunicate the have less acknowledgments. Senta krista network down convict out a lot of these things to pretty much the same way in if you inject a little bit of failure here for example you tell this person to nut acknowledge anything or even in adobe eagle album to say the wrong thing on a particular day and see how that information propagates and what happens to the system home and whether the systems in place actually catch that in whether other were people in the team are like i'll just do that and they erased the whole. Thanks are obviously have to be careful with but when you get to the level of maturity when you went when you can do that with a team that actually enjoys Do with this kind of aims affected by it super super fun because it just makes sense. Yeah i can see the the need for high trust mature organization to be able to try something like that being able to have individuals or groups that you really know the know. Each other will be able to test that out. That's a great idea. I think that'd be a fun thing to try out probably something. I'm going to have to ask my teams about an see what they think about. You mentioned you even using a web debugger and being able to test local apps and be kinda simpson gray box testing and using tools. Like what other tools are there that one could use a tech start this practice. One of the things that i try to do with the book again is that on trying to not rely on any one particular to too much because a lot of the things you can do them fairly easy with existence off or so you know. Plenty of tools have forever available. Basically a lot of two of warragul of guessing union is about observability meaning actually knowing how to reliably observe some kwan characteristics some quantity of the system. Now if you if you're running an experiment and you can't measure whether it worked or not properly and it's no good right. It probably does more harm than than actioning anything else. So let stills of on focusing a lot of online attacks on in the book out there for you now. I long time and people are fairly for me Young less of kind of popular flags on ways of using back. It's pretty standard stuff. obviously Kind of new tools coming out and they kind of covered a more advanced topic. So now on obviously bias. Because i wrote this one gold bar for sale if you search on This one is going to really focus on cabrini dis and getting like the high level. This you know what i would like to inject into the system and please validate this way. Our you can just riot simply amplify and get stuff to do it for you automatically. But you don't need to go outweigh you know. There are also commercial alternatives coming outlet. Gremlin doesn't make it easy to start but now the heart of it celebrates understanding why you're injected not fair to begin with you know because a lot of people think that it's just about random randomly breaking some staff and seeing and what happens and there is part of that doubt. You know it's kind of like close to cold phasing when you basically randomly do things and see what happens on this way you can find a lot of stuff. It's it's definitely useful Through the same thing with guys and you didn't even if you don't know where to start of starting with rhonda it as good as their stout probably better in some cases and it's definitely part of it but then actual you know the the useful work that you do is one understand the system pretty well. At least you understand how it's supposed to work in theory are sound subset of the system that interested in because friesen about the different behaviors and characteristics of the system that the expected to beater. And based on that you can come up with experiments verify that this characteristic is there and It doesn't change through some kind of fighters barium room. Yes i do yeah. Funding is a new term for me but going beyond that sorta random testing is where the real value of gas engineering comes in using your own understanding of the system where the are or were there. Failures could present is really what the sullivan. And maybe in the former case where you don't know a lot about it it can be useful to gain some info now. I mean i it can be good starts if you don't know anything if it's a black box to your you might as well poke it and see what happens But then you know get into the nitty gritty actually requires of a standing right. That just makes sense right so get to know your systems where those edges are so. Obviously your book is an excellent resource. At and i'm in a bit ama- fashion fashioning that. I still love books. Are there other books or resources that someone could use to get more familiar with this concept. Where would you go to learn more. Yes oh there are at least two existing riley book. The o'reilly books that you can Take a look at they cover much more on the actual like theory behind like motivation. Why would you do that. And the recent one actually has some Chapters written by people who applied goes in their work. And that's offensive interesting otherwise a good resource is day. Awesome chaos in union. List on good hub. If you go daddy it will come up. As far as i know it's it's probably like the best maintained resource in terms of just a list of links. It has tools. It has some Blog posts conferences and stuff like that. So commend at one Otherwise i also have my own Newsletter are out gives engineering dot news. You can sign up and get an occasional ino- of some news outed as probably a good a good start also to conferences that you might be interested in gremaldi Once a year. And i also wrong forty two. I guess engineering. That is actually in europe. Okay and for those interested in getting started with their local teams at once. They've read your book obviously and maybe started to explore some of those other resources. Are there things they can do to get started. And even share some of their learnings with their local teams. The extra question comes up or too often to be A people tend to have a few ideas that comfort themselves. Either to girl to kind of lounge guy thing when they have a book club and they just got prepare demo. Everybody's like oh wow. I didn't think of that that's cool. Let's do something like that or at popular approaches de something breaks and then you can actually say pointer finger other than site or look if only with this will expire around. That takes about ten minutes to set up. It would have a problem and you will be called. What do you think we should do. So that's that's like a very Powerful at position. And i think other places. Actually you know. Look at things like that. Like in retrospective thinking okay. How do prevent things from happening again. You don't need a lot of tools like you can start To larne by script does like a common gotcha If you're if you're running a system d service and you have like restart sets to always always doesn't really mean always that means dad with two other Parameters default that means that if it restarts. I think it's more than five times in the ten second moving window than it will actually be started back so for those who ran into a to fix that chance. One other parameter. But if you're just reading that it's very easy to see on on that actually like always so it should always be restarted. So if you take best griped out has one line and executes the keel in five arms in the second window you can find a problem like that and If you have like a technical lead who has a beard the have about half meter long and you show them to that You can cause some real the to where we'll be even be without those individuals and bearded or not make. Oh this is fascinating chat and educational certainly for me. And i'm sure for others. Thanks so much for taking some of your time to be on this episode of code ish and share a bit about gas engineering and all the different contexts and ways that it be useful teaching us more about our systems even our teams apparently and for those listening. We'll put it in our notes But you can use the code. Potash nineteen at the manning site for discount on macos new book. Thanks for joining us for this episode of the coach. Podcast is produced by hiroko. The easiest way to deploy manage and scale your applications in the cloud if you'd like to learn more about coach or any of her accused podcasts. Please visit roku dot com slash podcasts.

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122 - One Hot 2020

Not So Standard Deviations

1:03:55 hr | 5 months ago

122 - One Hot 2020

"You want to start. I can start. Let's start with actual stabs. Loyd i mean kaulina stats a push but still There's this little like ai app spotify. Does it tear in review. Are you aware of this product. Yeah i've seen the post on twitter spotify. But i've heard of it. Yeah it's funny because it's the type thing where like i feel like no one wants to read someone else's i could be wrong. Maybe like music people who are like. Oh i can't wait to see what rogers been listening to. I i just feel like there would be huge correlation between everyone's list right because you're popular songs are are by definition popular. I mean right. Yeah so that's true. Yeah but i think it's personally interesting. You know going back and seeing okay. I listened to this song Yeah it's kind of like embarrassed that i agree. Yeah okay so anyway. Taking aside the sharing thing. It's like you know these are late. Typical i feel like stat products like some sort of means literally just giving you like summary statistics in artful way So anyway one came out. I saw on twitter literally just this morning. It's from a different group and it looks at your spotify data n. It like creates like mental like dialogue with you about what you've listened to okay. It's like simulating a music. Snob like just your music. You walked into tower records and people are looking at you. Yeah it's like. I took screenshots where it's just like oh do you really listen to hood perfume genius like ironically any like answer like yes. No not ironic we interface for this product. Is it like a. It's like a chat bot okay and so you connect your account and then it goes through chats with you go. It's like cool seeing plenty of rog. Finding a lot of fleetwood. Mac like a lot and then it gives you kind of attacks to like it. It has that you're supposed to like screen chair. Thank your spotify was boomer. Boomer relaxation awkward middle school. Slow dance bad. that's like the summary of your summary. Is that you or that. You just make me fallon is me personally. I'd like thank your obsession with fleetwood. Mac bella gold and stay with me for that. Can you say the phrase again all right it is. Your spotify was boomer. Boomer relaxation awkward middle school. Slow dance bad okay. What does where does boomer come from. I think that's the fleetwood mac. Yeah i guess that is a little weird though. I mean you're weird. I mean what i mean. Is that l. No yeah it is weird. It's really for you. I am obsessed with lee would mag. It's it's because of the show the americans i. It's also because i grew up listening to it. My dad was really into though. So that's boomer. And then my love was reignited by the show the americans because they play fleetwood mac some really cool moments and i was like this is awesome and that also is like semi recent so yeah and then yeah based on. You're listening habits. I can also tell you. Your spotify was masters in creative writing bad people giving people give you looks when you sing in the car bad show tunes bad love your npr too bad which show tunes pots and pans. Music bad why. Get the show tunes bed. Well 'cause i also have show tunes in there. That i listened to really hey ten. Oh okay the for the frozen soundtrack. Keep going with this like older. I haven't listened to that a while but no the live your npr toe. That's like perfect. Bad definitely describes. How does this this. This is not like a year. Is this like a year thing or is it just like overall is music taste. I can't tell because. Yeah it's like i totally tell like looking at they. They're kind of like you. Listen to these tracks too much. And they're definitely things. I listened to it last year. In fact one of the songs. I listen to much to too much was A song that was featured in a biden. Add new world coming by nina simone or like a remix of it and so but then yeah. There's like one so then. There's one you stan. These artists to uncomfortable extent and fleetwood mac. But then they have dan deacon and suzanne stevens which. I didn't listen to much. Dan deacon i was really into like five years ago. The what's the name of this thing. I don't remember i'm going to have to have to send you. I'm gonna have to send it to you to post. Because i don't know i could probably find it very easily. Hold on by. Just google spotify judgmental. It's it's called. Putting dot cool is the entity. I don't know if it's like a company or what. okay. I've heard of the pudding. Okay only works spotify though. I guess i don't know if they're gonna create one for other people but maybe anyway for other services. Yeah yeah but i just listen press because i thought it was a really good product. Okay i was gonna ask you whether you thought it. Yeah i well. I think it hit the i think it hit the note a little better than the spotify year interview because it simulates lake. There's like a playfulness to it. You know like everyone worries about people. Okay i don't know if everyone but a lot of people worry about like what music you listen to his party your identity least. I don't know it seems like it's part of your identity in america and so then there's like music everyone knows about music snobs and i think people probably worry about judgmental nece about their music and so this is like this plane with that. You know it's also it's also kind of making fun of the judgmental people because they're judgmental in a way. That's like very predictable. Yeah and so it it really. I think someone legitimately like there was something you're stuck in the two thousand ten and which is totally true. Because i kinda just stopped like i cared i remember. I used to listen to like all songs considered. I cared more back then and now i just kind of listened to like old saves or like. Just listen to the same music. I listen to five years ago. I'm just not music person. You know. So i don't know it's just like i can imagine it. It made me feel more in control of like the criticism you know anyway. It's this is my whole like the product matters so much for a i. Yeah and i thought they nailed it. I had not seen this but It's called judge spotify. There you go. I just saw a bunch of people. I mean i really think i. They released it. It looks like he wasn't quite today. But i feel you went viral today because i saw two people with like posting their screenshot Of like their problem which it is is like a weird humble brag about like ha ha like this nailed it. I'm not gonna post mine. Although i guess i just talked about it clearly. Mine's actually embarrassing minds. Embarrassing not in. Like oh i'm so niece it's just like yeah. I get stuck on one song listened to it a lot. I don't think that's a usual though. I think that's not unusual. I bet it's way more common. It feels i realized. That's how my parents listen to music too like they just. My mom has like three Salvo like these are the three we listen to them every year. And so it's similar to that where it's like just kind of find something you like like stick with it. I have found the applebee's also year interview type things where they create these playlists of the songs that you listen to it now. It's like four years now or five. You said it's weird. How like what. I go through each year's list. How i'm like the previous years. I do a definitely. Don't wanna listen to that music. Yeah well. I think that's part of the problem with the the spotify is that it's all sentimental about something that you're probably kind of sick of. Yeah yeah like what. I look at last year's playlist like there's nothing on there. That i feel like i want to listen to you right now. See i think your normal. Like i've met my last year on versus my this year on is the same. That would be interesting actually. Yeah yeah yeah. It's like variants like that would be more useful from spotify. Feel like if it was like. Here's how you differ. Leg was the dvd. Listen like most people you listen to save a lot. Yeah like how are you. How are you not normal. Is the list that they need to agree on. Yeah it's funny actually the dating site like okay. Cupid and stuff. I think they do stuff like that or at least at certain moments in the past. They have where it's like. Okay you are just percentile of this characteristic kinda see how they would like this probably like some principal component direction. You're right that most people follow. If you're like orthogonal that in some way then then they can just say like oh well. You're different from everybody else. In this way yeah totally. Yes so you know it's funny. I this this also. This is just like hillary being personally relieved feeling. I mean that's probably every that's every episode every episode. Especially this one way or the other like i wouldn't even call it a product but it kind of is that i've been interacting with is called. Snore lab okay. So i've been reading this book based on a recommendation from a friend called breath by james nester and it's all about like how we breathe wrong. And how you should change your breathing and it's it's very. I've had lots of langley issues with breathing like nasal breathing. Whatever and so. I wanted these people and he talks about in the book. Like this is like an app for measuring your snoring and so you literally just like leave the recorder on and then it like record you all night and then it plays like Look at highlights and the gives you a score and like it so it the product is you record yourself and then you wake up you see a score you see kind of like time series kind of like a fitbit or something. It's like here's where you snore. And here's where he didn't. And then it classifies like this was lake Soft or loud or epic. Okay and so where i like. I like this product because it gives you a score which kind of makes sense. You're like okay. This was bad or not bad. And then Tells you the percent time your snoring like it does interesting summary statistic aleka modified sleep. Study kind of like it like someone actionable. Although i'm not sure anyway and then The thing that's nice is that it. It has a way of just like creating little snippets of sound. And you don't you don't have to like go through the whole tape to be like. Oh i was snoring instead of just like hop shoe from a few highlights See patterns to it like you know playing little spikes of sound every breath and so it helps you identify. You know you can hear a little sample of you snoring at this hour versus that our versus whatever And so that's the i think that's the part of the product is released smart. 'cause you can kind of review your night in five minutes just be like okay like you see the overall pattern. I've learned a lot about like when i snore blah blah blah and then You can also like hear it and you can delete if it like you know there's like the rustling of you know it might like identify things. Are you snoring. And so then you can go like delete those their gesture score and everything so you can like it gives you a later quickly. Review the data the raw data. And so i like that. A law like i think they nailed with that product. Which i mean. It's a stretch to call ai. But it's definitely like seems to cluster the noise patterns and create like bins. And then choose the samples from each that. You can imagine that it's doing some light stats. It was constructing like it's taking this huge time series in like constructing a brief profile. Right i mean yeah exactly. Yeah and so. I really i think they also nailed it. I think we're i think we're the thing that i just thinking they have. You can every night you can say like. Here's the factors tonight. Like i. Eight later blah blah blah You know i took allergy meds. I am sleeping with my head slightly elevated like all the different things that people do to prevent snoring both like they have one thing called. I can't remember it's like remedies versus versus factors like oh you took these remedies versus you. Expose yourself to these problems but to me even though i understand that stuff. It's like okay. Now you have a new heat the summaries of time so it's like okay. That night i ate late. Look at the store pattern. But i think that that there's a tweet recently that was like the ideal scenario is when you don't need statistics like he can just see x. Kc d. cartoon. Yeah oh yeah that's right that's right where it's like if the patterns just like so freaking obvious lake maybe you don't need to crunch the numbers and so for me recording the like the factors is lake. It's like collecting data for analysis. That you probably shouldn't have to do like hopefully the patterns just like pop out at you whereas like exercise. I'm not storing this much night like via volt. Also i guess the other way of saying that is like if the pattern isn't obvious than like it's not clear what you do about it. Well yeah and it's like the incremental gain will be much right i Fixing it yeah. Like oh i noticed. This very slight improvement could make the time that i ate at seven pm. Versus eight pm is just like who cares like your partner will probably still be mad at you. Run like it doesn't make a real impact on your life unless you can like go from like there is some art. I was looking up like dust allergy of like. Oh dust allergy and story in and there was some like anecdote from sore lab about someone who likes nord. All night was sleeping separate and then address. Her dust allergy and it went to zero. You know that's what you why 'cause then like she can like go back into the room with her husband and you know like have a normal. I mean i don't know about normal but just like i should like vastly modified her life too because of this problem and now she can undo all those modifications. Okay hey i products are like stat. I feel like i want. I feel like. I'm falling for hype. When i call them a product. Well okay but little side note here. I was discussion with someone the other day who is not like a statistical type of person who was wondering what the difference was between a. and machine learning now god okay and have you thought about it this. I'm just curious. Only insofar as i feel like the chat bot is a i because it's coming across like a person. Do you know what i mean like. I think chat bots is ai. Yeah yeah i. The only difference is the interface right. Yeah yes it's like it's a i. If if it's a human like interface orbits like something that a human would otherwise be doing. Yeah yeah like if he can't tell the difference between it and a human. I don't like that. I think is what you're saying. That's more like the turing test. Right like it's more just like the interface is something that we recognize right even if we know that there's a computer like crow behind it. It's it's it's not like. I'm typing at the keyboard console right. It's like exactly. I'm using natural language. I would with a person So yeah it's funny though because something like a recommend your system like like let's take spotify's discover weekly that is simulating. I feel like that product nailed it because it essentially simulates. Someone giving you a mix tape. Yeah yeah i mean. I think that i don't think of that. Product is a Recommended systems machine learning. Yeah i think it's borderline i think. Yeah like if if that were like tony's handing you your weekly mic save. Let it go from animal today. I i think it kind of like. I think the reason why the recommend systems don't feel like it is because they're embiid usually embedded within some app that you're using on like amazon for example and it's like and they come. They're like the so. They don't feel like a separate product ended themselves. You know what. I mean Yeah they're kind of embedded within this product. So but i think there are. You could make some minor modifications that would make it seem like a different pro like if you had like someone email you like if you had a service that emailed you like every week or whatever with. Here's a list of songs you know. Yeah like that might feel more like a than the discover weekly. That's funny 'cause you're rape and that's silly that's such a small you chain. let's clip. Yeah i yeah. I think it was. It was just bad right. I mean and the technology wasn't area clip. He was dave robinson. Tweeted something like like. Oh overheard copy was before his time. Well i guess it's debatable. Whether clip he is a human interface like people are are accustomed to. i mean. that's maybe word failed. Yeah right yeah. I mean i think would be was ahead of his time late. Okay but now. What about like Like i feel like the version of clip he quote unquote. Now is that you might get some sorta typing a document like google autofill like. Have you used that before. Where you're like typing a response and then it finishes your sentences for you. Oh i've seen it. Yeah i've seen it. Yeah and then you can just like tab or do whatever and finishes the sentence so that's like that's modern clip. Easy almost two. T. 'cause that's what you would you. He'd be like it. Looks like you're writing a letter. Do you want me to lay. Create a format for you or yeah. I think of modern see what modern clip he really is. But what feels like the same thing to me every website that you go to a chat box. Ask the ask for help those to be back because it's like popping up whenever you don't want it you know. I guess i guess you could say this for either is that they had. They have useful information if you needed. Yeah but you just don't need it that much art the auto fill the google. That's not read. That's straight machine learning. I feel like i feel like it's so like if the interface were just like hanging. I think i have the rest of the sentence for you like doing it. Yeah yeah Is there d- have have a conversation for it to be a like an explicit conversation. Well i think it will change over time right because the interface that humans are used to changes over time right so so maybe this could become a. Yeah like ask you this. If you know how like google will have like. I'm feeling lucky. Search thing. I think they do. 'cause i just wait just for like brand it kinda got rid of it. 'cause it's like they just do they do it instantly now obviously but like but like it's kind of like a i like if you just go to the first link i think no because it feels like auto completing the sentence but you just said that was well. Yeah i know. i don't think i was making. I thought i was just making a point. Which was that. well. I don't remember i now. I think i've maybe what happened. Was i convinced. Myself is the like seconds that followed that statement but a i just means the a two way conversation like you have to actively actively have to say like that or no. I don't yeah. I what about like a self driving car. Do you think that's like i. I think that is yeah. I would never say like oh machine learning car. Well it's funny too. Because i think there's a degree of maat like real time modification of results presumably with the chapa. It changes was going to say based on your input but there's lots recommended systems. I can think of you know like well. It'd be thinking. Like interfaces like the car and the dashboard right and and like you make changes based you might say. Oh actually i'm gonna go to a different place so you input do destination or something like that right like the interface is something that humans are used as a human designed interface right so and then the car is responding to it. Yeah so yeah there you go. What about like autopilot. Planes autopilot on planes. Because that's like would've even called that machine learning. Yeah that was like before that it's the same. Let's say before before machine learning. Tm right like that. Yeah yeah yeah. I don't know. That's i don't know the mechanism by which are well. I think the older auto like those kinds of systems they were. They were like more in the old days. Leaves control systems right in society and they weren't like data based i guess what i was. There are physical physical model. And you tune it right based on some experimentation so there be data there right so you'd like implicit data. Yeah well yeah because you have an understanding of like what feels right in an airplane so it's only sheen learning. It's like to make it machine learning. I mean i guess there's just the techniques. Well i think it's like the old style self driving cars were control systems or just like they're were like autopilot right and they didn't work so now like the newer style self driving car incorporates data like from the from the outside world right like sensors and all kinds of stuff right so so. I think that that's different. But anyway i should say that. Actually jeff leak. You've ever him. He has a nice focused on this whole idea l. Cool yeah i never. This was an interesting intellectual exercise. 'cause it honestly i hate. I kinda hate this example. But it's like that. I feel is the court case or something about porn where it's like you know when you see it like in terms of what is artificial intelligence. Yeah it's like you know and you see. I can't totally to a vote like think so so i should say jeff's framework is a three part framework. Okay you ready for this. Yeah there's the There's there's data. Data's number one there's an algorithm which we might think of as machine learning and then there's an interface right and the interface has to execute a like task. Yeah let your same. Yeah i mean. That's basically what. And so like i think it works it kind of works for me in terms of like the machine. Learning is the first to what makes it is the interface. I agree with that. But i think that's so subjective which i'm sure jeff would agree. Well yeah i'm not saying it's a now. I can immediately classify everything that's out there right but it is better than just like i think it's it's it's not true that the same i think i i would disagree that their machine learning or the same just because it just feel like there's a real difference out there in the world. Well i guess. I really somewhere in there. There needs to be real time component. Like you have to be able to like input data and get results immediately. Even if the data's just like i clicked on the box. There has to be like an interaction mode basically. Yeah yeah not just like you get results in that's it. Yeah like versus a recommended system. You can have that sit for like a week and it's just like showed up in like here's your recommendations so there's not an interactivity lady but there is a extra requirement of like you know otherwise you could say that like zillow is a is an ai system because like you punch in an address and it gives you a result right right but so there has to be. There's an extra requirement of like something human-like which is where i think the ambiguity comes in but well to i need to digest this a little who come back in the new year with more discussion. Yeah i like. I like the i feel like we really need to get to the bottom of this. The difference machine learning. Yeah this is where we can really contribute in. He did you want to uh. Actually i have one little sorry. I'm like okay. This is a very quick friend of the show. Nick tyranny writes in and this is the upset of lucy where we talked about talking about one hot encoding right there which i assume you know what that is we talked about. We talked about it. Okay and i did this back now. I can't remember So i was talking about. I was i was wondering why everything hot right. Look where the hot cup. I mentioned a hot deck imputation. Hot-air hotak invitation like dates back to like the. I don't know a long time ago when you had like punch cards and you would impute missing. Data using like basically using like random selection random draws from the observed data. Yeah that's like the opposite of hot a hot tack in cal- card counting right like a little draw from like the inverse of data. That's been shown card coming works. Well it's i guess with card counting. It's like you you use like the the cards of showed up to try to anticipate what's left in the deck Count up like what you've seen so exactly to imply like what you have seen right. Yeah yeah yeah and so you have a hot tack of. It's like goes live like jack's like there's road. Yeah so anyway. Sorry that was. Just that's where. I thought it was going and then it was opposite because this would be like oh like low cards have been coming in so the next one will probably be low well it terms of mri data imputation. This is what he writes. He says you have like a survey for example and you'd have like one punch-card per person like representing their data and then when they were missing values in the survey you take a random card from your deck of complete values and pop it into the machine. And i guess if you do that enough than the deck ends up getting hot from being run to the food. The computer like many times cool remember these computers like the size of like a room so very hot and you so that that makes sense. It's literally it's a hot dick. Yeah yeah. I liked that a lot. I still don't get one hot encoding though like there's nothing hot about it. I don't think now that feels like it's just like let's use the same word. I mean i guess maybe if the way to do it would have to somehow take all the punch cards and like make new punch cards from them and put them into stacks. And it's like okay. Here's all the males like punch. I don't know like we're out of our comfort zone talking about punchcards. I'd say it's too bad. I wish i knew those little histories for all the different phrases because that would be so helpful to remember them. Like i will probably now never forget how that imputation works right. Even though you'll never use it probably. Yeah i'll probably never use it but if someone brings it up i'll be like like i know exactly what that is. It's so easy to think about how that would work. Although i guess the one thing is wouldn't you rather just do all of the observed ones i mean. I guess that gets into that would apply that. I understood like how you did computer punch cards. I i have no idea. It's like what pre-sorting the punch cards makes sense. Because what if he got a bunch of missing lens right after the first like you have one punched card with an observation and then you get like twenty missing ones yeah. I don't know that one card and as we know from the coin flip you know like demonstration and that's probably more likely than you think it is anyway. That's all i had. Do you want to reflect on the year. This is this is our. I should just say. This is our last episode of the year in case people wondering 'cause actually last year was a bit of it anomaly because we were trying to get to one hundred episodes by the ceo conference. Oh right. yeah. Ashley have like minneapolis. Yeah the end. Of last year we a bunch of like mini episodes. But this is for sure. The last episode of this year and this year just extends to keep going. It's possible i suppose most likely the last episode of the air. I would say almost surely. Yeah so yeah. I mean i like. It's funny 'cause. I brought it up. I know and now i don't have a plan spiel. I don't even know what to say. Like what i have to say. This i mean. The years had pluses and minuses. Like many years. Really there's pluses would you. You don't think you had any pluses. Did but i think i'm unusual. I think we're probably both unusual. Subsets right. I mean yeah. They're the i'm sure. There's many people who've the minuses draft drastically outweighed the pluses but doesn't mean that there weren't any though. Yeah it's funny. Because the loveless a the market was that the exact same amount that it was last year like i i saw something. There was some article where it was like yet. The market's up eleven percent and it was the year before lee today with this year was totally normal. You know obviously like facetious leave it. Actually last year was was much better than this year. But it's all relative right. yeah. I meant market wise. Sorry yeah is it was it. I this article. Now i'm gonna. I'm gonna look it up. Say that work wise. Even though i did far less than i would normally have done progress. Progress was made i think. Yeah that's great which maybe is setting the bar low but you know yeah yeah. I think i was happy with what i was able to do. Yeah so you would say maybe put another way to work from home. Like wasn't so bad for you. Well relatives or what. I mean obviously relative to like a lot of other people. Yeah but it wasn't. I think maybe it's better to say it wasn't as bad as i would've expected it. Yeah yeah. I'd say that's pretty similar to me too like i am. I am now attached to working from home. Which i did not expect at all. Okay that's where you. And i part partways like you would like to get back into the office as soon as possible. Yeah definitely interesting. Yeah well this might just the due to our home situations. I don't know i don't know about that. I think the personality differences. Maybe yeah well. That's what i'm that's what's weird to me though. Because i am super social and i like seeing people but i still like working from home so i. That's that's why it was a surprise for me. I'm like oh. I actually and i'm really lucky to have a home office like i. I was set up for success in ways. I didn't obviously didn't anticipate Yet there's pros and cons working from home. I think my work life balance is worse. It feels like grad school. Where it's like if. I have an unproductive day then i'm like oh work tonight. It bleeds out more versus a hard boundary of like being at work Not to say though that. I wouldn't bring stuff home and be like. Oh work a little at home. So the that's also something i feel like i personally improve like it's like let me work on my boundaries right. Yeah yeah i think for me. It's more about like what are the aspects of work that you enjoy the most. And i think like some normal people would probably say that they well not normal. What i mean is like. I think it seems logical that you'd say that you like the work like doing the work and i think for me. What i like is like the stuff that people usually don't like think which is the you know all the random eruptions and just like seeing people in the hallway and like all the unplanned stuff like most academics. I think would tell you that they hate that stuff you know. But that's like the part of the job that i like. Okay i like that stuff too. But i feel guilty about it after. Yeah but you don't No i do not feel guilty. Yeah see if. I can get to that like zen state. 'cause i will tell you right now i i hate slack. I hate online interaction for work. Why because it's like. There's too much room for interpretation. I get myself into anxious balls way to easily like oh man that person replied they don't want to hear from me right now are like all the like just dumb in my head stuff that even know like i was self aware you know but like it's just harder to escape that versus when you're in person you get so many more social signals late it's like when it says that so and so's typing and then they stop and look nothing. Yes yeah exactly. It's like oh my god and just yeah. I think i especially i mean. The thing that makes even harder is like you now. I had two jobs this year. Like when things are unstable. That amplifies. At least for me i think for a lot of people and so that made it even harder to know like oh. My gosh stuff's happening. I don't know like so it'd be like nicer to have that in person. Sounds like weird. Where i both like. I like me at home a lot. I like my cat louis. But at the same time that's i don't know. Cia it's weird. It's just there's there's truly pros and cons to both. I do feel like the like the working from home thing. There's a common underlying assumption. There which is like things are kind of in place in kind of moving forward and any kind of like everything is kind of going as it should be as soon as something disrupts that it's like so much harder. Well maybe it's not so much but feels to me that it's harder to kind of like get your bearings. It's like everything's fine when it's going fine. Yeah and like i personally. I know in terms of my most productive days. Those are usually at home. Like i can't have as much. Just i mean when i say productive. I just mean raw like getting code written. I can do that better at home than at work. And so like you said when things are going well and that's the main focus that i'm like being homeless better. Yeah but to me. That's kind of a narrow illnesses. The job i guess yeah right. Yeah so baby. It's just started different positions. I was thinking though. I was like man because now it's like you know if and when i get a job again i i you know this is like a real question and i. There's part of me. That's like work from home. Work so much better for me if i could video chat like three times as much as i do as i have in other jobs and so i dunno. It's still a question of like. Can this work. And i i do think working like working in organizations that have more mature league work from home after remote culture. I think it would go better than all these places that were like thrust into it. I think that. Yeah i mean. I think it's a huge problem when you have to transition from one to the other. Yeah 'cause it's like no one knows how to communicate. I feel so many like text pfizer. Eat i'd just like people not knowing what to do. And it things going poorly as a result and there aren't like the structures set up to like you know to solve these issues from the gecko you know like. I think like an in person environment. You might rely just like catching someone in the hallway to resolve an issue right. I definitely had one situation where like there was like a misunderstanding that was escalating. And the person just like wouldn't get on the phone with me and was like i'd rather take like type and i was like this is just objectively badly not because that are like go worse and it's like it might pinon pretty dysfunctional behavior you know and so i'm just like this can't happen like like there needs to be rules in place like that is something i would have liked cornered at the office and be the. I know you don't like this. But we are going to talk in person. And i feel like an all remote type of organization. Have those rules set up. Because you'd have exactly. Yeah it's like you can't have a tax fight. That's just so bad. And so yeah so that that was like one time where i was just like so exasperated whereas like this is not like there do there does need to be like everyone's playing by a set of rules situation right. I think like a transition we had this year. It's like some people were playing by ones. That are rules and some people are playing by a different set of rules in like it's hard to mesh to and like i don't want to sound like i'm not open to like work differently but it's just like i think what frustrated me is that it's not like oh let's all figure out what works and what doesn't know there are things that just worked better like like this isn't like everyone invent like you know this works for me like like where things could be invented versus where it's like no there's actually research that shows xyz. You know it's like do you. Get what i'm saying like. Yeah it's like there should be rules because there are established best practices here that like empirically have better results look story from scratch right now. Yeah and like everyone seemed to think that we are starting from scratch or like lots of people think that you know 'cause they're like young and they it's just like oh no like like this will work better for me but it's actually like dysfunctional behavior so anyway just stating in a different way like i wanted there to be more rules like shocker that you wanted there to be more rule process rules. That's the anyway. That's i mean. Obviously it's like itself. It's always like caveat caveat. this is such a for a lot of people. This was on issue because things were so much worse lake. You know there's a lot of people in our boat to. It's not i don't know i think so too. Yeah we're speaking from experience. I don't know but that said like year in review for me is just like i don't even know like i don't even want to say like it's just like yeah. Everything blew up several times. A not in ways that were like like anything that would have seen bad in. Different year. didn't seem bad this year. 'cause it's like okay for i'm alive like no in my family's died throat like i didn't you know like i'm in a situation where i'm not. Blake gonna lose my apartment or house or anything so it's like okay. Whatever like i'll make it so. Yeah it's been weirdly fine. I would say but also really hard. I don't know it's just so weird. It's so weird what do you do you think. Twenty twenty one will be. Expectations are high for twenty twenty. One i believe my expectations are not high. Stations are very low for twenty twenty one. I wish more people had low expectations. You think people are overestimating the possibilities. Yeah like i know. i'm very pessimistic. About vaccine distribution. Yeah okay like a like. Where do you think you are on the list. I know. I am last summer and should be laughed. Yeah but i just think it's gonna go 10x worse than people think it is and i don't know i have no data to back me up. I do have there are articles. I read this blog. Slash new site talking points memo like they're starting to write pieces. That are like this disaster. This is gonna go really poorly 'cause like stays don't have money like they just don't have money to do. They like spend all their money. Keeping the wheels on and the vaccine distribution is up to the states. And it's like. I mean everything that was wrong with the voter data and look made like in. You're doing a statewide election. It's like orders of magnitude easier than the national election because everything is destroying in different and so now the vaccine will be like that. You know right because it's like a national slash statewide agenda but a statewide implementation run and even then it's not totally statewide. 'cause there's like private companies and then i again. I don't know if this is like i'll personally be fine but other people are going to have trouble like that it just. I'm not seeing like every. I don't know why people act like by early spring. It'll be done yeah. I think this is wishful thinking. I don't know what those decisions are made on. But i don't feel like they're right but i mean listen. I would love to be wrong. Okay what are your thoughts here for. Twenty twenty one fall on. I said in them for twenty twenty one in terms of the vaccine distribution. Yeah i mean. I think i it. Yeah it's hard to say right now because there's so few There's a little bit out there right so like nothing's happening right now but But like the idea of trying to vaccinate everybody right I think it will be. I mean we've yet to see the tip of the iceberg. I think yeah exactly in terms roleo in the world and we found that vaccine for leg but sixty years. Well okay. so you're talking about like i don't think we're going to have. It's not gonna be like smallpox really radical it. Yeah it's not going to be like that radically eggs fall. Fox look like twenty years. I i can't remember how long the by short. Yeah yeah so. It won't be like that. But i guess the idea would be. Hopefully most people would get it and you know it would be something that maybe circulates but not as harmful. Most people won't cut it though. You think that's true. Yeah i mean. Some huge percentage of americans don't want it. Yeah i mean. I don't know yeah. Well that's a separate issue you can have all the distribution you why that's a separate realm. But anyway i mean again. It's like well you know personally at some point you're just like a feral analog whereas like well personally survive or like my loved ones will or but like the world getting back to normal like I don't i can't see that happening. Okay so. I'm just like mentally lowering my expectations for toyota. You go i have you. I don't like for me personally. I'm like well. I feel positive about my adaptable late. How much. I can adapt to circumstances. So that's nice and like i don't know it's just weird. It's like i saw some. I'd bookmark an article. About how like young people. It's just like biting your time to some degree. we take. Don't quite feel like kind of also yes. I don't know it's just it's just weird. Yeah while back. I tried to figure a try to guess like win. Would i go back to the office. And i said at the time was like september basically and think. I think it's still reasonable about saying that. Twenty twenty one. Yeah next next september I think that doesn't mean the world. We back to normal by then. But i think i could be back in the office but yeah i can see that you skeptical. I i can hear it in your voice. Well i actually. The reason why i was hesitating was that i did like. I had like a decision tree or at like twelve. Different scenarios played out my head of lake. What would be the liability of a place like hopkins if they let people back okay. So first of all. I was like people aren't going to get certified vaccinated like i just can't see that happening like i got my official badge like i'm vaccinated for the flu. The vest like hopkins Where it's like a little sticker you put on your badge. It's a little clipper thing. Yeah yeah but like. What is the what i'm saying is like what's the liability for hopkins. Someone fakes that because it'd be like super easy to fake right true. It's very low for the flu. Imagine yeah but you can't see mostly it's for hospital staff. They can't see patients without the vaccine. Yeah so that's like a very specific for roger like what would be hopkins liability if they implemented system. You go in you fake that you had the vaccine you haven't you have covid and then you infect someone and then like two people take it or something. I don't know like. I like that was the scenario that was playing now or i was like will hopkins have sufficient liability that they would just rather not deal with it an auto pen. Well they're letting undergrads back. I think next in the spring really. Yeah there you go. Yeah so the are school. The professional schools like medicine public health etc will take longer just because i think this is less of a priority frank. Frankly right and so it's I don't know there's no word on when that's going to happen really but so there i mean i think they'll probably see how that works out you know with all the testing and everything and is the liability different as a student versus in job. You know i have. I have no idea. I mean i mean that that has to be the case like it just. I don't know if it's like because you can opt in or whatever but like your pain to be a student. Says he get paid. So 'cause like i mean. I think a lot of people probably experienced this. But when i was at sticks all the covid communication was coming from our chief legal officer right right. Yeah so it was all about like liability. Yeah yeah anyway. What was i saying i guess. Yeah you're gonna get you. You're expecting to go back in like september. Yes so do you think most people are expecting to go back in like may i think yeah. I think some people expected go back in like march. Fiscally like y- don't think but we'll see. Yeah you keep cutting you off. Continue though i i have a. I've nothing else to add. Except that i think my expectations for twenty twenty one dollars slightly above yours. Yeah slightly if you have no expectations then you are free enough. I guess that's true. Yeah okay. I'm going to officially close it out. This is the end of the episode and we will see milk frother though no we can't close it out. Okay all right the final coffee update which that it. My journey of a completely i would say machine. Free espresso and milk espresso espresso. Drink a journey. I buy a stove. Top milk steamer. Which i sent you a photo of. Yes so it's basically like a chamber that you put water in and it's like it builds pressure you know it's like tightly-sealed builds pressure then you can like has little wand and you release it. It's a steamer And steam comes out. you know. High philosophy frothed milk. Yeah and so what i like about this. I really like it. I from what i can tell if functions literally identically to like what would be on an espresso machine. Okay what's the name of this thing. i don't even remember. we're gonna have to look it up. It's like it's a specialty. Coffee thing that i learned about because the the guy who runs nine barista who invented that machine. He was like anyway. I filled in the blanks with him. But i'm pretty sure that he was building that machine in pursuit of hashtag van life. Yes i have yeah. it's like a very millennial like you wanna live in. A van gogh learned that there like many youtube channels dedicated to it. So now it's a whole thing thing. I think we even talked about it. Because i was like. How can these people not know the chris farley final. You're living in a van down by the river. There too young for that they are and they don't even think it's funny. It's very upsetting anyway. So so this guy like posted a photo from his van with like two devices. He had the nine bury's and then this like milk frother. His version is actually a milk. Frother combo with an espresso maker because the same steam right. Yeah yeah actually pressure. And so but like clearly he was. He even said comment. Like i'm only seeing the milk. Frother like a milk frother and a worse espresso anyway. I think this journey of his for like our many years during a speech to make this espresso maker was like i think personally it was probably motivated by this. This light like escape this fantasy in grad school. Like i want to do nothing. Like in a van in the wilderness like have espresso like six anyway side by i found they discontinued but there was still available. Just the steamer version. Like i didn't wanna have the espresso. Like the i wanted the machine to be hyper specific and so i found it Like used it. I finally use it got during the campaign and that was like i can't deal with this So i started using it. Works great It's obviously harder to use them like my push button just like makes like semi ross milk. Yeah but that's not. That's apples oranges. That you can't it is yeah. Yeah like i can't make a real espresso milk. I can't make a real lot with the. I make like very close to allow to anyway so i really liked the milk. Steamer is like a really beautiful machine like very shiny and it works perfectly. But i just like. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze for me. What's the what's the limitation. Just like to is too much fuss. Yeah it's a little too much. I mean i'm glad. I own it. And i want to learn how to. It's harder to use like you have to know how long to use it. I've definitely made milk. That's like way too foamy. I have no clue how i did that And then i bought like the specialty. Like little canister like it's funny. I use the canister from the automatic loom to or not the like the little pitcher and that actually worked really well and then i bought a real milk fraught like a barista version and then that was when i made the way to foamy time like oh i like somehow made this harder equipment. Typical would you buy like the quote professional equipment. It always gets harder. Yeah it just doesn't make any. I'm sure someone will novak split Anyway i used it a lot at i. Because i was like. Oh it's a new toy it's harder to clean to. You have to like get fat milk off of the spout like instantly otherwise crusts of there. Yeah yeah and so. Like i haven't i don't have maximal dexterity with and the other one's just so easy so yeah i'm i'm not super surprised but maybe a little surprise that i just pretty much prefer the automatic one. Which is this device going to go. The way of the the milk of yes. No because i think if i have friends over or like in in twenty twenty three i was gonna say was having friends over. Or it's like i don't know if i'm like board and i'm like i wanna do this like you know which obviously more often these days 'cause i've i've like literally nothing going on in my life i've from you know like watching. Tv in home improvement. but i No i like it but it's just not gonna like the nine barista everyday and there is like. Don't go to the coffee shop as much now. Because that's how much i enjoyed this hobby like this morning. I had like a bad poll. But i'm like okay next time you like like i'm enjoying the hobby of tweaking. It versus the milk profit. And it's just not quite enough for me to be like totally worth it. I'm really this every day. I'm going to master this skill to keep it around forever just in case. Well yeah i could see me like part i mean. I don't know maybe my life would be simpler if i just like. That was a failed experiment. Let me like resell it and be done. But i could see myself like footsie with it from time to time so yeah throw it in the basement of everything else. Sorry it's gonna go in my kitchen baxley now. It's pretty enough that i'll put it. I'll have it like on display you now because the the individual froth is hard to find it could be valuable because like if they stopped making them basically l. Yeah they are not making this. Yeah yeah i go even him that. Resell it in five years. I mean if you ever did want it again. You'd never be able to find it. I was going to say you know normally like you want years from now by another one right exactly. Yeah as i've done with already. I try to five years ago. They tried it again. But yeah i would say i don't i don't mind keeping the around. i guess. The only cost is the psychological guilt of like. I have i should try. You know what i mean. Which is what. I want to work on personally. And roger paying existence of like no guilt over my actions trademark roger paying existence. Probably i mean you have a pretty like one would say like a zen like you seem like confident and comfortable with your choices okay. You don't seem plagued by ity. no. I can't yeah think so. Yeah you would know if you have you to tell me you're just kind of like okay. Yeah i don't wanna do that okay. I'm not going to leak. I wanna do this okay. i'll do that. There's not a lotta going are should be wanting to do this more. Like why. don't wanna a bad roger. i can't believe. I don't wanna do this more. Like don't do this. Never done and they an yeah. That's a gift like treasure that i'll take it for granted adult. Yeah because he really know people who are like anxious all the time. Yes like me anyway. Yeah that's my only costs but it's a removing the in the ruined. The device won't remove that cost from my life. It'll move that costs for that specific item. But we'll let me ask you this because this is probably the more practical question if you're if you have nothing like you don't have this device that you have. Would you recommend this milk. Frother oh i mean for sure yes it. It's great solution to the problem lake. It's another thing with no like you don't have to worry about the machine breaking you don't like it's it's perfect they all right. It's an old school solution to a problem. Perfect is an excellent review. Yeah no i i the. I can't praise enough that the devices like aesthetic and your interaction with it like it's it's like very shiny slick pretty shiny thing just looks really nice. Young sounds good. Cool all right now. I am finishing. I'm closing out. Yes we'll see you all in the new year happy new year.

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Why Sports Cards Are An Underrated Investment Opportunity | Interview on The Rich Eisen Show

The GaryVee Audio Experience

19:06 min | 2 years ago

Why Sports Cards Are An Underrated Investment Opportunity | Interview on The Rich Eisen Show

"What a podcast people, obviously, you listen to shit. So I know a ton of you are not familiar with my Monday to Monday playlist that I update every Monday with Mike Boyd on my Spotify. Go check it out. What is my Spotify? Spotify slash Carey v. Yeah, we right. You'll see it. It's called Monday to Monday searcher Spotify and apple apple end Spotify. Playlists Monday to Monday, openness me. I gotta go see by. What's up podcast? Today's episode is the audio version of Gary's recent interview on the rich Eisen show. They talked about sports culture, the Knicks and nipsy hustle opium. Joy throw to have here on the program. I I could spend the entire time that would have with this man by introducing him. But he's the chairman vein or x the active CEO of vein or media. You follow him on Instagram and Twitter at Gary the bestselling author. He's sales wine. He's got burgeoning sports agent in business. Gary Vander, Chuck good to see you here, sir. Thanks, rich. What's going on in your life right now? What the NFL draft Scott me super hyped K because you are representing Tyree Jackson Arcus lodge. Okay. The schedule is you know. Okay. Exciting me your diehard jet phantom. We just saw you rocking your new jets jersey at wrestlemainia and. What do you know about the schedule? What can you tell me about the schedule that gets released tonight on that work? What do you think, you know? I think I know the jets and Browns play on Monday night to start the season makes sense right for that was the first Monday night football game ever. I think the jets and the Steelers play night game. That's one of my core predictions. Okay. Having on bell against the Steelers. It makes sense. Yep. That's that's all I really know. What that makes sense for the for the start of the season for the jets to have Odell back where he wants belonged the Browns. Everybody wants to see what the what they look like the Baker darnold narrative is something that would be amazing for the NFL for fifteen years since drew as early as they can build that rivalry. This is the second time the already playing Baker Mayfield basically broke out of the Hugh Jackson box that he was being placed in on Thursday night football against the jets. I was there. It was devastating. I'm still angry. I was I'm still angry. I left that stadium and all those they hadn't won in four years, or whatever you let them off the hook to use the Dennis Green phrase that was so that a sports cards. I'm going to say here now on a national stage. I believe that the culture of sneaker flipping is going to bleed into sports cards because these kids can't get enough inventory with sneakers I bought several hundred genus rookies PSA ten prism rookies in August before the season. There were one hundred fifty a pop they're now trading for three eighty. Gambling sports betting the way that Panini tops do things. Now, there's going to be fifty thousand dollars I on card to be had out of opening a six dollar pack. What do you mean? Well, I don't think people understand that sports cards are about to become a cultural phenomenon again. And so I'm just putting it on the record and media. So I haven't historically, correct? What do you sense that already happened? If you've been watching the market's been moving pretty aggressively for last year be three theories one sneaker flippers are are running out of inventory, and you can go buy like, I am right now thousands of Darren FOX rookie cards. If you believe he's a player. You can't buy thousand pairs of sneakers that are gonna fly like you can't get enough inventory. And so a lot of these entrepreneurs that are in the sneaker culture loves sports, and are gonna do the sports card thing that's one to sports gambling and betting in the background. You've Luca playing right now as a as an image right now. There are five seven ten thousand dollar Luca cards selling not listed selling on EBay, and those cards were pulled out of three dollars four dollar pack of prison basketball cards. Once people understand that I think people are gonna get their gambling fix that of opening cards. I don't think most people know that there's a there's going to be several ten twenty thirty thousand dollar Zion cards to be had. Four five dollar packs. That's like a lottery ticket. That's better a lottery ticket 'cause there's other cards and third forty three year olds forty eight year olds that grew up in the prime years of sports cards now have five six seven eight nine year olds and the same reason toys reboot every thirty years. GI Joe strawberry shortcake, I believe that sports cards eighty seven and ninety three was a cultural phenomenon. And now those people are going to relive it. So I'm making the prediction here on the rich Eisen show that sports cards is an incredible alternative investment for the next to revive years. My kids love their basketball. What about all the cards that I have garbage tens of thousands. Garbage from the nine early ninety two million garbage. Yeah. Garbage because there was too much supply not enough demand. Right. So, you know, I mean, look, you maybe you were smart and bought eighty six eighty seven fly or basketball, and that has all the rookies in it, and that's an incredible set. But what most people have eighty seven tops baseball early upper deck all that stuff for the most part that is not strong. What strong is pre nineteen eighty graded? You send them to these companies back PSA, and then the new stuff like the one of one Jonah says that are like ten thousand like I think LeBron rookies Kobe rookies, they're trading at about a thousand a piece rated well right now or five thousand dollars cards in three years. So I'm excited. I'm glad I'm glad I'm bringing it up here because I'll be happy to look at this clip in three years Chuck here on the rich Eisen show. So the card will be worth more when the Knicks don't get him because Dolan's karma's so terrible. Or what have you heard because I know you've heard because you're a professional Patrick Ewing. This one of the all time most underrated players of all time list is a sports show. Let's listen. I'm an enormous Knicks fan. I'm also forty three. I lived through that golden era me to all. But, but if you're a real hardcore basketball knowledgeable fan what you also know is John Starks and Anthony Mason and Charles Barkley our overrated like they're amazing the best. But I believe that Patrick Ewing is extremely underrated. Because I don't think people actually understand what he was surrounded by. I really believe that. And so wait a minute. His his knick's. Teammates. Good is always one of my favorite of all time here mind to like like, I want you to be my best friend like, you know, unfortunately is best friends with Michael Jordan, which breaks my brain. But right. I think they're very solid players like really good players. But not as good as people think because they were so tough, and awesome and RAD, and I believe that Patrick Ewing is one of the all-time underrated players because of the context of what surrounded him in a great era for centers with David Robinson. And it came alive. Joie but early better than David Robinson. Keep just is. Dave Robinson one hundred percent. I mean that I'm I'm shocked that people don't understand that. I mean, I just think he's way better. He just didn't he just as your Nick fan? Like, I really honestly, I mean this look I didn't say Keam. My Knicks fan is the next sentence. He's better than accumulation. That's my next my non Knicks fan. Fandom is Patrick Ewing is better than David Robinson guys. He just is like I test. I lived at. I watched a lot of like like Robinson. Like, I don't know. He was he was really really the admirals a nice solid. Great a real great player, Patrick better. So you're saying the fact that Patrick Ewing because I'm trying to bring this full circle is the Patrick Ewing. Real quick. I'm David Robinson. The west was whack. It was the reverse. Right. He was MVP the league. I don't give a crap the MVP. The league is not a variable. That is super exciting to debate. It's a really like that's a really, you know this. You're too smart for that statement. MVP? The we. Michael, jordan. I hate them with my whole heart should have been MVP every year. Like LeBron shabby MVP every year, they they do it on timing. Cadence. Like there's so many variables that MVP is a joke. What rid of coach of the year should be Bella check every year or should have been Phil Jackson every year. Look Jackson is all time rated company. He has also what you remember PJ? Time overrated. Coach Bill Belichick men. Want to talk about somebody? I dislike all time. Phil Jackson enough with Phil Jackson show me one see Bill Bella checks greatest thing that ever happened. Bill L. Check was Matt castle. The greatest thing that ever happened to Bill checks career was Brady being Alfred at year. The problem for Phillies show me like Larry Brown away better. Coach Phil Jackson. The takes from Gary vein is Larry you don't believe that. I believe that. Right. I can totally understand what you're saying. But you see the one season of data where he didn't have a top single player in the league. And then we can have at least a conversation. Have you noticed disagreeing? Nobody's going to disagree. That's on emotional. You can't be judged when you had the single best player in league every time in your tire career. Could you give you notice Chris vein or Chuck has gone on this hot take role? Although I'm not saying that you don't believe it ever since. I brought up how Dolan's Carmen. From getting to the Knicks because the ping pong balls. Bouncing you start with Ewing. Yeah. I think that you including their Ewing is going to bring it home is going to bring confident brings on home. I'm confident the Rangers moved up aggressively inert draft. It's an MS. She guys when the Knicks rollout Durant and Kyrie and Zion. And the defensive force known as Mitchell Robinson and the evolution of Kevin Knox as he chose. Guys. Nirvana is coming to the garden by guy you're in so excited for for the next decade of my life. I cannot believe the great joy that I'm about to have. I'm still having a really hard time with you thinking Patrick Ewing's better than David Robinson. No problem. I understand time with them. Have you could make this argument? Was never higher than fifth in MVP voting. I'm gonna lose my mind. You cannot use MVP as a variable to a sports debate. It is a ludicrous. Data point is not MVP is also while we're gonna member most lives. Let's start visiting born. How older I'm thirty eight thirty eight thirty eight. That's like right on the cusp. But like, look I test matters. Rich actually help us here. As the oldest statement statesman here. Do you believe that it's hard? I really believe this it's hard when you didn't have I test if we're really having conversation if we're really having a fun debate. Not for Schick, I do believe not having I test data is an issue. Like, if you don't have I test data, you I don't know anything about Oscar Robert like, I don't have. I don't understand like, I I would love to know more about Dr J for real I believe, and then this is like every debate, right? Talked about Babe Ruth. I can tell you queuing clown. David Robinson, one on one in their career in for real for real like if you test their matchups, I'm telling you. He was a better player on I test. He just was I. Time not saying this just because he's just he needed a New York City. I'm not right. I know, you know, him right? I mean until David Robinson got Tim, Duncan got Tim Duncan. He was nothing. It was not even a debate. It wasn't even debate. And you guys Mannix homers. I ain't gonna let you guys get a pass. No, no, no. That's that's. Great. We can agree to different. But I remember I do remember again, Ewing Ewing, just just told you John stocks identical, Oakley and Anthony Mason are grossly overrated. Let's start with that on your racist. I do here sitting it's hard for you to stand on. A Knicks Homer when I just sat here and said three old time emotional Knicks are overrated, I said that and you come back at me and saying, but they're not considered great Knicks of all time. No, no, no chose. I see on Charles Oakley is viewed as he he's he's not on the mount Rushmore. And he he's he's viewed as an all time. Great Nick in my mind. Okay. Rush. No, no, no. No, no. But, but I just we do need to we do need to just remember some of this stuff, and I will say this as a knick fan before James Dolan beat it out of me. Okay. That Charles Smith was viewed as the great final piece for him. I thought it was materials deserve your new little. The X men was one of them to Xavier McDaniel Charles Smith, the Houston later, but he was viewed as somebody that was a savior to the Knicks. I'm talking about people that were saviors, but in terms of the Ewing era, he didn't have those pieces. He didn't have even have his Pippen. He didn't have is Dunkin. David Robinson was lucky enough to nothing in his life. He didn't win that championship. Let's just be very honest here. If you think David Robinson has a ring you also think BJ Armstrong has rings. You you're really going to we can have this. What I'm saying? Let me start over. There's a singular person at wins ring in my Gary took one of one mind in the NBA, there's a singular person. And so David Robinson has zero rings in my mind. He was not the reason they won that championship. Not by any stretch of the imagination that was also towards the end of his career low. I'm correct number. So let's talk about David Robinson's zero NBA finals appearances in his career prior to Tim Duncan putting him on his dam only made it because Jordan went to play baseball because David Stern kicked him out for gambled. Hatrick Ewing in the Knicks were in the west. They would have went to four them NBA finals. So let's talk real talk. Not nineteen. Talk Gary on Twitter and Instagram. I mean, I. For different. A lot of stuff because I get hot on stuff like this. When you live the eye test of watching that like, that's the key. And I don't know games where you're watching this first game. That are watching the playoff games were David Robinson was absolutely doing nothing against Shawn. Kemp doing nothing against Karl Malone doing nothing against Charles Barkley. Those were two games. I was logic on par. Here's the fun part. And this is like. Oh, man sweetheart of a man hall of Famer the Admiral. Yeah. No the best human ever like if I can't wait to see David like anytime at all time pensions. A better NBA player. David. I do want to bring this up. Otherwise, we could go we could go on and on the subject, I need an extra segment, but I do want to I do want to bring this up with you before before you go because we talked pop culture here. Nipsy hustle. You got to know him Jesus you really? Really changed? My I know. Yes. You know what I mean? But it is one of those things where you know, you, look, you you've got fifteen different sides to you. I could go on a conversation. But I did want to bring this up. And I know that kind of brings it down. I know you you love this guy this guy. How did you meet him? We met him in his studio when he was working on the album that you know that he put out his camp. My camp had a lot of good vibes towards each other. And. We went to the studio and spent an hour together. And that started we just, you know, hey, by the way, this is fun to say you and I hit it off immediately. Yes. Sometimes you just know. Right. Sometimes you meet somebody, and you just know that you're going to know them for the rest of your life. Okay. And we really connected, man. He was a really thoughtful kid trying to do a lot of good in his way. I think the thing I'm most passionate about is for all my stick and style. If you listen to what I'm saying, there's some real tried and true love and good, and positively and I really he had a real message. He was a really hard worker. He was a long term. You know, I think in fifty year terms he did as well. Like some of the stuff we would talk about video of him. And I at the NBA all star weekend, we had dinner at NBA all star not too long ago, obviously. And as soon as he walks in I'd say to all my friends would like get ready for some really deep philosophical talk. You know, nipsy the cool rapper. We to hear what we're actually about. Talk about it was very thoughtful. He was a warm heart. He was a good, dude. Like, and I bet you for everybody listening, and I'm sure for a lot of people here who didn't closely follow him. I what probably makes me feel best is when this devastating thing happened. I think anybody outside the circle of knowing him, really, really. Well, we're flabbergasted by how the collective culture, so reacted. He wasn't as big as POC and biggie in the macro when this happened. But I think what affected a lot of people that had either never heard of him or maybe heard of him once or twice was like, well, why are like the biggest names in the in the game. So still I mean getting goosebumps still three weeks later posting so emotionally it was because if you actually had the luxury to even know him a little bit he impacted you immediately. He was a special guy. It's why I wanted to bring them up. I'm glad you did. Because you know of people that I know you're the one that I I knew. That you knew him. Yeah. You know? That's why I wanted to bring him did certainly here in Los Angeles. Where obviously he's a great sports fan so much. I mean, he was he was at the I think he was at the Sweet Sixteen games in down in a homeless those weekend. He passed. He was a special talking about maybe putting a banner in Staples. Hey, I heard that. Did you hear that conversation? Yeah. Arosh Markazi or to calm about that. You know, if you knew if I'm sure you guys saw from a sports standpoint. Like a lot of the players around the league's reactions. There's that Durant curry clap like in the streets in the culture like he meant so much. He was doing so much good. He was trying so hard in his way to do such a real thing. He was a really special dude guaranteed Robinson. Go. Switch back. Gary vader. Chuck follow him like the rest of the free world on Instagram and on Twitter at Gary v. Gary v e Weymouth there's no other segment there. There's one other. We're going to do we have to talk jets a little bit. I got things to say Robinson. Ewing thing threw me off. This is this is going to be on our appetizing overtime this next conversation with the everyone on earth, Colin Hanks, still to come here on this program bump him. I got things to say buys. Thanks so much for listening to the audio experience. It would mean the world, and I mean the world if you could go and leave a rating on I tunes your word of mouth is my oxygen.

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Episode 21 - Burgers, Blockbuster and Big Shot Bob

The Spivey Special Podcast

54:47 min | 1 year ago

Episode 21 - Burgers, Blockbuster and Big Shot Bob

"This week on the SPIVEY special podcast. We'll be talking about burgers blockbuster and bake shop up. Welcome to episode. Twenty one of the spivey special podcast. That's one more than twenty. We're doing pretty good. That's a bike. Check yeah maybe not in California that card game. I still don't understand how that version works. I have no idea California black. That'll make no sense. We'll try it's the return of hike season Time of the year. It's the worst. Can we get some rain on Saturday and Sunday? So we can stay inside instead of going to walk. I just WANNA watch the XFL. But I don't get the chance I'd even watch cooking shows. I've watched cookie monster. Yeah he's really good very talented. Young isn't up and comer big news in the podcast game. We got her new mixer Jackpot. We that means we're going to have the capability to have a third person. In the Studio Aka my bedroom. Who who've spooky have a lot of fun. We're going to have our first in studio live guests next week. Yeah I think we kind of pimped it on the last show. But it's going to be our data Michael Spivey or families a little worried but luckily we can edit anything he says so he's GonNa get himself in too much. Trouble should be a lot of fun. And we're both looking forward to it so we've got a fun one on deck today another triple B episode or second triple b one find a new letter one bees not enough either to let's put. I think there's four today. Yeah maybe when WE WATCH COOKIE MONSTER. We should go back and learn to more letters. Other than being sesame street is a tough street to live on. Gabes people living in trash cans. And it's ridiculous. I don't trust the humans. Yeah they've got like imaginary giants Gets monsters that some people can see enough. People can't see it doesn't make any sense bird cage and I'm pretty sure that count is second people's blood. Do you gotTa do what you gotTa do on the Sesame Street. It's also a seed way to open stuff exactly okay. Let's get into our first one. We are going to start out with food court files all right. Is it time for the food court files this week? Four food court files were GONNA be doing. Another healthy ones is like ten in a row for us. We're GONNA be talking about Burgers. I think it's twenty one in a row we didn't do Veggie in there somewhere accidentally. Maybe that doesn't sound like something. The way would do all right. So we're GONNA kind of breakdown burgers. We're going to start with my favorite part of the Book Burger. Which had they're always gets mad when I say compliment. This part of the Burger and that's the Bun. I think it's a make or break. You got some Nice buns. We're going to take you all right. So let's go to some of these buns. We get sesame seed. Bun Your classic big Mac. That's a that's a really good one. I don't know what sesame seeds taste like. Now they're very bland lot like lettuce to get some sort of weird texture to it though can visit a crunch in a way which is nice. I like the potato buns as well. I'm going to be buying them from the store. And making my own really. Just reasonably priced flavorful. Soft KICKS IT UP A NOTCH. Like they're good when you put him on the grill to a little bit of butter or make them healthier with the butter Brioche. And that's when you get real fancy that's way too fancy for me. I thought you sneezed. That's like eating butter also bread. It's good to get against getting on that now. You had just sourdough bread as part of a burger like Chris Cooper called Sandwich. None none if you if you did like a Frisco Burger. I don't know just because you name it. A Burger called you burger okay. But I don't have. Why do have nice buns but in your cheesy true probably covered in. Ketchum Fighting Okay. All right About Spongebob done like in and out Burger. Good good yeah. Don't try to do too much. You don't have to if you got a good inside of your Burger. You gotTa have a really solid toppings. No thing to pull off a sponge. Yeah Pretzel Bun. They're very dangerous pretzel. Buns watch out for the review. Your mouth get you out at Chili's My dad got a Pretzel Bun Cut. His lip was bleeding the whole time. So Larry he just kept going it. That Pencil Burger though. You've got Shibata buns very good fun. I enjoy those as well. I think more of Sandwich for me though for bread. You're you're at a Tokyo Sandwich bread during that. Short little window where you could. That's my favorite memory of sex date. they were the last ones to have it. That shouldn't be my favorite experience from college. But I had really good pizza while I was at college. It's all I remember. Did ever college and breadsticks. Is You look like a breadstick. Thank you and then Hawaiian Rolls. We're getting into sliders. That might be my favorite. Why in reserve just good by themselves? They don't even need butter there so delicious. They just melt in your mouth and not in your hand. That's really hot right firm meets. You gotta be all meet. Marvel now the key to a good burger that you're going to have the right fat content. It can't be to lane. Yeah then it's gross. It can't be to fattier barbecue catch on fire. That happened to Maine. Yeah let's because you've got a little too close in your fat. As what set ablaze that did happen. That's why I wear a flame retardant suit when I barbecue emphasis on flame eating. Go the retard trying to throw you in alleyoop and you just you forgot to Joe fat guys. Can't Joan all right so for me? Now we're GONNA start with beef now war. We're doing a burger a US single Burger Double Burger. It really just depends on the Burger and what we're doing with the meat for stuff in the meat yellow need one patty but if you just it depends too much. How much produce and cheese. You're put it on yeah. I think it's a quarter pounder bigger. You can do one. I think it's like a smaller one like if they're trying to use like a junior bacon cheeseburger this throw as many patties on there is even get loaded up. I need at least a quarter pound. If we're going to be doing this right. Yeah I think he. You can't Overdo it with the meat though. Especially if good sides chicken count as Burger for you or is that chicken sandwich so he skipped chicken Bison Burgers more of a Bison Burger Kinda guy I like Bison burgers now what about. Add Bacon at the meat. Will you have to do that? If that's an option there's no even bad. Bacon is pretty good. Even like Carl's junior. Bacon Kevin Kevin Bacon. He put him on a very one. Okay are you a Veggie Burger no fair enough? You have to work really hard to find a Veggie Burger that I would enjoy. I mean I would order instead of. Yeah I mean. They're they've got pretty good taste where I've tried some Sarah's and you can't really tell too much of the taste but if you tell me it is I'm going to hate Have you had an impossible? Were you know or whatever the other ones are no? I won't do either. Bunch of hippy. Nonsense you do you think veto no. I'm vetoing net. Oh it was a verb. Yeah okay not a person veto could also be ver- I don't know wolf to think about that. Check my dictionary webster. Webster cheeses now already talked about stuffing patties full of cheese. Good move and there's only a handful of cheeses that are really that good on a burger. Yeah I've had a lot of cheeses burgers but you gotta go with the classics. Cheddar and American are both good cheeses. That's probably going to be a normal barbecue or something like that. You'RE GONNA get Cheddar or American nothing. American just melts a very pleasing way makes it kind of gooey and fantastic just looks good. It's the worst. She's by itself. It's something about it on a burger. It just makes it right now. I'm a big pepper. Jack Guy got a little kick to it. I liked that. You gotTa have the right toppings and stuff to go along with it. If you're going to do though I love Pepper Jack Bite so so yes. This is trying to do too much. If he just had like a Burger Jack Cheese I like it. Okay well I mean like to depends on what your season in your meat to. If got bland me you need to kick it up a notch lable PJ on your condiments and stuff for are you a Swiss cheese guy never been. Yeah it's GonNa be a really weird scenario where I'm getting Swiss. I would throw like a mushroom burger. I would throw string cheese on there the RELA. I put string cheese on everything. Why wouldn't you but especially not to? It just takes a long time to string it all the way across the Burger. I just go for it. And can't that's just that's argument for another day. He can't just go at a string cheese. I like to bite just a little off of it and then string it. That would make it easier to string. Yeah all right so you traditional chap toppings. They've got tomato huge tomato guy. Love IT LITTLE. Salt gives a little juice. I like the thicker cut of tomato. Don't go for and yeah. I WanNa really taste at lettuce. Are you an iceberg? Romaine SPINACH ICEBERG SHREDDED ICEBERG. Or Line. Knowing I need like a leaf only want one piece with my tomato. I CANNOT SHREDDED LETTUCE. Shredded Lettuce on a burger. I don't like it hate it while big MACs with on a big true. There's other ones that go along with it. But I like those ones onions. Yes grilled and unveiled anything with an onion. I used to the whole girl that only ended in and out of the game changer. And you should not be an onion guy but the onion gives you a little little some something like it Pickles pass hard. Pass hate pickles the pickles any kind of pickles spicy pickles regular pickles. Pickles dill pickles. Big Pickles Tommy pickles. Whatever throw it on there? I don't different flavor. Avocado put into the traditional toppings. Just because we have it so Austin might be more of a California thing though avocados delicious. Just good I mean. What can you do about a good avocado? It's just a nice little topping. Gives you a little bit more moisture in just when you bite into? It is nice seeing now if I'm going to be doing avocado I'll be doing the pepper. Jack that's one of those things that Kinda compliment again. You can't just go. Random Burger no cheese and avocado and abundant like catch up. That's weird. I wouldn't don't catch him now. What kind of weird toppings have you had a burger? I've got a list of a few that I've had. I've had a lot of Burgers in my day. You can't tell possible burgers now not impossible noun of burgers kind of like you your list. I've had pineapple sliced grilled pineapples fantastic. Yeah really really good Fried Cheese Mac and cheese in general. Yeah most take gravy gravy on a burger. If you gotta ask can't afford it. Where is that? I think I just made it. It's one of those. Leftover things got gravy and Burgers. All right have you had pulled on a bird before as like a second meat. I don't can't recall. I have if I did. It wasn't memorable enough for me to remember. Oh I had a really good burger that poll pork and add sweet baby. Ray's barbecue sauce mixed into very good. Very good are you. Have you had fried egg on a Burger before like a Royal Rob Murder? That's your gym. Though I would not I just not my favorite red robin fantastic. Didn't think I would ever like that and now I can't get it when it's an option that just adds another layer of goodness now. Another one is onion rings bacon. Absolutely you gotTa have onion rings on your Burger. I don't know if that ones that weird but on the list Jalapenos like Jalapenos on the Spice Guy. Ginger may be. I think the like Fried. Helping your rings. Sports Burger posh going. Have you had a doughnut for a Bun? Before I have a state fair no view absolutely you loved the State Fair. I love everything about the state for. I can't wait. I can't wait for July when we get to do the state for upset. That's GONNA be my favorite. I think they think of you. When they're making the menu out there the State Fair. What would Zach eat all right? Let's do it Kfc is introducing a chicken sandwich with a doughnut for the Bun. And I am very excited that I don't think KFC but I'll go for that you like KFC. Actually don't you kind of look like the colonel? Thank you. I think you look like the corner. More know anybody Mr Greybeard. It's true art condiments on your Burger. You gotta go catch up I pass with mustard but I hate mustard Mayo. I gotTa do to. It's gotta be to condiment mix for me whether it be ketchup mustard ketchup. Mayonnaise or mayonnaise mustard is like one of my favorites. And now you don't like mustard gives you a headache because your thousand island is basically ketchup and Mayo. It's pretty close. The basically your secret sauce at most places is either thousand island or it's ketchup and mayonnaise mixed together. I do like a good barbecue sauce. You can actually buy the ketchup mayonnaise mixed together in a bottle of Heinz makes it. Smart TO AMERICA WERE LAZY. Yeah. It's too much work and I think that's a better idea than like peanut butter and Jelly in the same jar. Peanut Butter Jelly time and a baseball bat. All right trade. You have a favorite burger just top of my head. I'd probably say at the factory of cheesecake. They have a really good burger and on top of it to fried Mac and cheese ball and it's just delicious now. How do you feel like if you have a really big burger? Are you ever going to cut it with a knife and eat it with a fork or go forward and just wear a bib? I would never cut burger in half. I don't I don't care I'd cut it in half I would never fun. I'd never cut it like in pieces. Anita with a fork. No that's that's what serial killers do. I ever hang out with somebody. And they're eating with the fork. I know that's that's crying out for help now. What's your favorite Burger? What's your jam to have a couple? I've got one written down on that. I just thought of another one later today. It's at squeezing. I'm if you haven't seen it. There is an episode. They went there on diners drive ins and dives sounds a double squeeze with cheese. Now when you go to squeeze in your cheeses and just like a slice of cheese. They throw the cheese on the grill with ice And turn the cheese into. It's called a cheese skirt which is like the size of a piece of binder paper and they just slap it over the top of your Burger. I like that more cheese the better though any fried an easy in fantastic and then I'll add avocado and Bacon wouldn't you? It's just fantastic. Sounds like you're going to take out a loan to pay for that totally worth. It only comes back again. I I wish the original squeeze was still open because that was one of my favorite experiences a little pink shack out there. The Love Shack. It's a little place where we can get together. If you see a faded sign on the side of the road fifteen miles to squeeze now the other Burger that I thought today called the Mad Cow Burger and it's got three third powder patties on making one pound of beef also has like four pieces of cheese or something insane. Yeah I've had that a couple of times that I'm not allowed to eat like that anymore. Weiner works. Oh the one over there on Madison Auburn. We went there once with you. They will give you an entire trayful of fries to. Why wouldn't you can't fit in the door? I weigh fat enough. You can't fit out the door on the way you just stay all right bring me Unilever man. Calmer you have any other favorites. What's your favorite Fast Food Burger? Let's say not counting in and out because we've already didn't entire episode on our love for in and out. I would probably say Jack Inbox Jack in the box all American Burger. I don't know that they even have that on the menu but it was it was simple. It was just. It was your regular Burger with lettuce tomato but it had ketchup mayonnaise and mustard which. I didn't know that was a combo that I wanted but it was. It was fantastic now for me. Wendy's they have a pretty good double cheese there. Oh yeah absolutely there square patties. Kinda throws you off. I like. That's not the right shape. I like Carl's junior western Bacon Mcdonald's big and tasty back in the day I don't know if they still have big and Tae Soo do not but those are just kinda the ones out the top of my head that I remember. I don't really like Jack in the box too much except for their Tacos have you seen the like Quad Burger Quad Chicken Sandwich. They have now I kind of want to eat that. D- just eat. Maybe you got anything else for Burgers think that's it. I mean I'm sure we'll come back touch on the Burger topic again but that's just I think we`ll. We'll probably talk about a few like individual restaurants in full news but those are just kind of the things that we're looking for in our burgers burgers are good. I love burgers stuff. The Patty's if you can if you have not done that yet we didn't talk about Blue Cheese Burger you ably cheeseburger. I like blue cheese a lot in the cheese in blue cheese burger. That's the way to do. It must mushroom Swiss also the combination. Add Mushrooms on your Burger. S- could have the right cheese for it. It's kind of weird if you like American cheese with mushrooms system work you don't care you know things and you're just go for all tastes the same way hard. I think that's all we got burgers. We're GONNA take a quick break and we're gonNA come with remember that thing. Do you like the sweet taste amount do. 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Yeah they had a million stores in two thousand and four eighty four thousand three hundred employees and they started to hit their declined. Two thousand ten. They only had twenty five thousand in this past year in two thousand nineteen. They had three employees. That's a lot less than they. Were down to. One Store Bend Oregon the only one that we have left. It's dubbed the last blockbuster. I think that's what they have on their cards. They give out. Yeah that's the only one there was two left than Alaska. Those are the only two that were left sad. This has got to be some more. We terrible Internet if you're GONNA do blockbuster now if you're under fifteen twenty years old and you don't know what blockbuster is that gives us a little rundown with blockbuster actually was well Instead of going into the virtual interwebs to figure out what you wanted to watch imagine scrolling through net flicks but in a giant store that has sp- aisles and aisles and aisles of movies. Any movie that you can really think of. It was impressive. How big these stores were. But you would have your sections. You'd have new release in action and comedy and horror and adult and some locations. Those were roped off. Yeah that was like a secret Bagman You'd have all those categories laid out. You'd have your vhs tapes lined up so you can actually see what you're watching so that doesn't even matter now with Netflix. And stuff like with the front of the movie. Looks like that was what was selling you on this. There's no trailer paying. You'd have to look at the box and see what it was. Yeah what is this show about that? A pitcher Denzel Washington. All right. Let's do it. Let's try it out. He looks he's GonNa kill some on. Why not this kid word? I'm Wayne Shirt. He looks like a fun guy. That's one that's basically how the market worked on that. But so you would have your box copy on top and then behind it you would have the actual physical tape that you would take up to the Counter Toronto. Now the hard part was if you didn't get there early Friday or Saturday for those new releases you might be out of luck you might get up there and all you have those front little covers and nothing behind it. I guess what would have. They'd have a lot of copies of the new release but everyone would be trying to get it so like apollo thirteen or something came again. Diva big movie right now. That's big move right so you'd have like an entire bookshelf full of just that movie but it would just be the front cover cases. You just see like fifty five Tom. Hanks astronaut outfits. And when you've fan nothing behind them and when you first walk into they'd have a little little thing up on the wall let you know the dates of the new movies. That were coming out with their release dates. We're going to be if you really wanted to see the movie. You'd want to get there on that date to make sure that you got it. I just remember walking around the store. Like if you didn't get the movie there was there then it's game then. It's like searching through Netflix. For you just spend hours trying to figure out what you want to get in the neophyte especially with our family. Because Zach and I would have to agree on a movie and that didn't happen very often but then we'd have to agree on a movie with mom and dad too. Yeah that's true because we never. It's not like we got like ten movies while we're there on the off case that we didn't bring it back on time we're not getting a small business loan to return now. Thanks to four days late. I think there was different prices to on how many days you wanted to keep it. Yeah so depending on the time because I think they changed the plans as they went. When you rent your movie you just get it for like a night where you could get it for three nights or China or three days like you be a little bit more to rent it that way to give yourself some more time to get it like but if you didn't get it back on time major with the late fees knows were shots and apparently they're blockbuster was making all of their profit was on late fees so they'd have a certain time we'd have to return them by two and they had the little slots in the library. You stick your book in but you gotTa stick your movie in it. If you didn't get there by the time they would be sitting there just waiting. 'cause like I said a lot of their profit was on the late fees. Now the cool thing about the drop slot is say you're going to look for your movie. Nothing behind all the ones on the shelf. You GotTa go to that return. Bannon start digging through and see if you can find something good you Gotta. Cross your fingers at someone just returned that new release. Somebody got there at ten. Am and they already watched it. And they returned it because he didn't want any late fees take out a second mortgage on their house. Yeah now ZAC. What are some of the memories? You have blockbuster when we were little I have a few now. I was thinking like we rented so many movies from the movie rental places and I just. There's only a couple that I remember so You and mom went to southern California to go visit Wendy data and I were home alone. And Dad's idea was to rent a movie and we watched Quigley Down. Under starring Tom Seller love and that was like one of the first movies that was just like me and him and I I remember. That's like specifically remember that and watching the movie and him being super excited about every scene that was coming up because he had seen it before. Sounds like you guys will see the next week when we have them on the thing about blockbuster though is they also had video games. Which we towards the end blockbusters rain. Those were the things we really went for. Instead of the movies we had been renting video games in the video stores for a long time though now with the video games you got them for a couple of extra days. You'd get him for like three days but three days unless you're like all in on a three day weekend or the chicken pox or something where you know. You're going to be home for a while. Three days is not enough time to play any video game. No I mean especially if the game has story plot or something you're GonNa get to maybe like level ten of you know twenty five and you're like oh good. I saved this game but we've got to return the game and we finally found out who the bad guy is time to bring it back to store. Yeah that's Kinda got you 'cause a lot of the times we'd like really like the game and then we would just reread it. They'd get us again for the five bucks or wherever it was the rent. The video game got to the point on some of those video games. We should have just bought it. Boy Did end up buying. After we started running a few times. I think why they rented them same with movies. A lot of people bought movies more than now. It's a nobody buys movies now No one has a big old. Dvd collection anymore. That I can think I still have my giants DVD WALLET. Get it out like three times a year. Maybe yeah that's hard I leave. I don't even have the ability at home to watch a DVD. After watch it through the XBOX. I don't have my books. Hooked up right now so now. Another good thing about blockbuster is your head up to the front at checkout. They had the candy in the popcorn right there and it was kind of like the Candy. Popcorn that they had the movie theaters. So you're getting the box of Juju bees or whatever it is. You wanted to get so. It's like having that experience at home. So it's kind of like a one stop shop for everything that you needed. But the prices on obviously jacked up kind of like at the movie theater because they knew that they had you coming from a mile away. What movies do you remember? Renting I can only come up with a couple. I the only other one that I remember. We weren't supposed to watch it but Mom and dad and I must have been Tammy and John came over and they watched terminator two and I snuck out of our room and like crawled on the floor behind the couch with my head. Like peaked out of the side and watched terminator two. That's a good yeah. I was pretty young when Terminator. Two came out where they were watching it. I I want us. I know we eventually bought it but I don't know why keeps coming in my head. The Big Green. Yeah I think we own that movie we did. We did rent it. Yeah that's just the one we always rent. Those dumb nickelodeon type. Movies does not a dumb. That's actually a really good. I think Steve Gutenberg won an Oscar for that movie. I remember a lot of video games. I think IT I. We've rented Tony Hawk. Ready Crash bandicoot eventually. Sonic the HEDGEHOG. We rented snow brothers. Snowbirds jags veto. We couldn't find it anymore and bubble bobble bubble bobble. That's a really good game. Those are ones that you can play. And it didn't really matter if you had to return it in three days. You'd be dealt one real quick now with blockbuster though they were hot for so long and then they just took downward spiral. And it's because why our old friend Net flicks that son of a bee's Stinger and it wasn't it wasn't a streaming online netflix. It was the male in that flex and the reason that we liked it for two reasons. One you have to leave Your House. You just have to walk to the mailbox to no late fees. That's huge. That's huge right there. Because I mean let's say you for your spending twenty twenty five bucks out late fees sometimes if it's super late and he can't find it or something happened to it a unit having by it and they would charge you like twenty five dollars whatever. It actually costs you to buy it great now. I have a twenty five dollar copy of look. Who's talking to a lost twice? Why do we WANNA keep watching the movie? Yes so Netflix. And Red box kind of just took them out of the game. Netflix first and then red box with the blockbuster had a chance to buy a flex. But they didn't believe that it was like a long term thing and they just didn't do it which that's like your classic downfall. Yeah that's kind of a big swing and Mesler and then they tried to get into the streaming thing late to. They actually had a better service than Netflix. But I think like dish network or direct. Tv or somebody owns us all about dish about them and they try to use the brand name but at that point was way too late. Sometimes you swing and sometimes you miss you. Remember having a blockbuster membership guarding. Why don't think we I remember. Mom would take us up to blockbuster sometime let us run in with her card in like ten dollars in cash or whatever it was the rent one movie at what video game yeah but. I don't think I ever had my own blockbuster card. I don't think I didn't either. Maybe a Hollywood video card like late. Hollywood video card definitely not blockbuster though just sad that was a big Friday and Saturday night thing from argues that was the thing to do. Everybody was at the video store getting something. Yeah now they're all just vacant or furniture stores where they're just empty. That Hollywood video on sunrise has been there forever just empty and you can tell what it was like the blockbuster. She'll still have the weird blockbuster ticket sign on there and kind of know what it is just sad things. Change is just crazy that you're that high peak where you have. All these stores eighty four thousand employees. And now you have three. Yeah do you remember having you rewind your video before he returned it? Otherwise you get hit with another fee. Yeah they had you come in and go on. I'll tell you what all you did. Rewind it all the way. It's another three bucks. What I guess time is money. Do you remember the little or rewind machine? John veto had that was shaped like a car kind of remember he put it in there for Iran. That's the most useless piece of women could possibly own right now. That's pretty bad. Yep Yeah I don't. I don't think we have VHS definitely. We don't know blaming the player VCR. That's crazy memories though. Good good memories at the old blockbuster if you guys have any memories go ahead shoot him out on our social media. It's by special everywhere. I just remember walking around the store aimlessly hours. It seemed like it probably was only a few few minutes but seemed like the biggest place in the world when you're a young kid. They'll storage for ginormous. We're doing same thing now at Netflix. Though we're just sitting on the couch spending an hour trying to figure out what that's the worst thing one hour looking for something to watch and then I just watch the office again. We spend our pick a movie and it's awful. We MAKE HALF HOUR. We look at each other like we gotta finish it or anything. That's all we got per blockbuster take a quick break and we'll come back with sports. Jet Sports job with the spivey brothers cubs are good kit the ball to big country generic sucker take all right. That's enough I'm out of breath all right this week for Sports John. We'll be talking about an iconic moment in the history of the NBA especially for US Sacramento. People we'll be talking about the two thousand two Western Conference finals game. Four more specifically the last eleven seconds. Big Shot Bob. It's still very painful. In this part of Northern California to even bring up Robert Aures name. But what can you do? So we're going to kind of give you some context if you're not if you're not from around here this one might not hit for home but let me give you some context analysis so we have the Sacramento Kings. That's our home team. I was actually a Laker fan at this point because I'm a huge check checks huge. He is very huge. So Sacramento moved here in nineteen eighty five. They have been one of the most the one of the best most loyal fan bases. They've been selling out. They were selling out ARCO Arena. Even though the team had been basically hot garbage the entire time that had been here. Cow Town finally like wasn't nineteen ninety. Eight Michael W Smith and Mitch Richmond. Couple those remember Michael Animal Smith the Animal. Yeah Wayman Tisdale. That was I think it was post. Wayman Tisdale that they but that we finally made the playoffs. It was this huge deal and then everything started to click all at once. Petri had like this crazy run. They trade for Weber they dega Jason Williams they draft Pasia the trade for Laudi. And everything's just starts to click trade for Doug Christie he'd be a Hito Bobby Jackson like they have this really good team. They have his offensive system where everything is just clicking like if you think about what the warriors look like was Stephan Klay where they've got that motion events and everyone's passing ended super exciting to watch that is basically the kings offense from the early two thousands of the most exciting team to watch as time. Yes so that year the two thousand one two thousand and two season they were actually the one seed coming into the playoffs. They had sixty one wins. They haven't even had in the last four years. Combine out maybe three yeah They're the hottest team in the league. If finally looks like it's this year now for the Lakers. The team that they're playing in this series. Although the Lakers they've got the second most championships of all time. They're coming off. The two thousand one lakers. Which is the best team that I've ever seen play basketball because they have one loss in the playoffs this season before. Which is the Iverson step over game? But they're like unbeatable at this point there you look at these teams that they're playing is like oh it's the Tim. Duncan David Robinson Spurs. Yeah sweep they're just like they're rolling through everyone now but it's Phil. Jackson team does the next year. The Lakers are the three seed. Now the Lakers roster there's there's people on it Shaq and Kobe. I think that's how you say it. So probably one of the most dominant centers ever and then Kobe. Who's debatably top three all-time yet they're on the same team. With like good good people built specifically to be on the team with checking Koby like it's a super dominant team. Now they're a now. Who's on the bench during the Rock? Yeah the Rock Mitch Richmond so the Kings finally get to the series. They're finally the one seat and then on the other said looking at them. They're like the only good player that they had like in the last avenue. Gears Matron is they're just sitting there looking across now. The Lakers kinda coasted that year. Phil Jackson does not care about the regular season. Never there the three seen the edge. Fifty eight wins. It's not like they were bad but only three less than the king site. You're so we get to the playoffs and both of these teams just dominate on the way to this final like their obviously playing each other. 'cause they're playing the best basketball. The kings beat the Karl Malone. John Stockton Jazz. Three one nine nine nine close. Then they beat the Steve Nash. Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks. Four one another like another one of those teams. That should have been way better than they were like. Oh you look at the team. They have like Michael Finley. They've got a super deep team kings. Traction callum now. The Lakers on the other side Lakers played the Scottie. Pippen Rasheed Wallace Bonzi while Bonzi Wells. Really Really Deep Blazers team. That looks really good on paper. Sweep three Oh then. They play the Spurs. Tony Parker. Tim Duncan Dave Robinson. Four one like the kings and Lakers are obviously the two teams in the League. No one in the east even has a chance. No basically whoever won this was going to win. I think the Lakers went on and swept the Dennis. The Kenyon Martin Jason Kidd Richard. Richard Jefferson the big three. Anybody wherever any of these Westminster thing. So like kings and the Lakers. They finally meet the best the kings have ever been and may ever be. Hopefully not kings are up to one. They split in SAC. Which at the time seems like? Oh no we can't even own court. Then they win game three in La and they're unlike this super big high coming into this game then game for kings are just absolutely fire in the first they were up twenty after the first quarter at Dickey's looking good twenty point lead after one or any point would be for the Lakers to win. It would be the biggest comeback in the history of the play offs. To this point. Kings are looking good. You're the number one seed with twenty point lead. After the first they hang on in the second quarter they give up a couple. There's but they're up sixteen at half but at going into the half monkey walker one of my favorite names of all time so machi Walker hits like a half quarter from three and he didn't really get the shot off but they let it count because before instant replay. It was like a second and a half late in those three points. They come back huge at the end. You didn't think at Halftime Seven. Sixteen whatever sixteen point this game is over. We're moving on. We're going back to Sacramento. But no no they just slowly choke the game away the the Shack Guy. Koga there were pretty good. Robert ORGA STARTS TO GET hot. He hits a few threes. We get down to the final stretches game. He Hits a jumper from twenty one feet. He pays out this game so Hito is basically the other pasia. They had two patient. He was which was nice. Dominant this game thanks. Kiko scored like twenty one or something in this team like on a good shooting percentage to you all right so we're going to go through the last little stretch of the fourth quarter and we're going to stop a little dramatic last stretch. So Minna Fifty two. Hito hits a twenty one foot jumper. Which that's the thing that used to happen. There's no twenty one foot jumpers in the NBA. Now not kings are up six with a minute fifty two looking good rate thirty nine Robert. Ory hit the three Bob. You can just feel the air start to come here the king. Oh my Gosh Minna. Seventy no body hits another jump. I don't know how he hit the shot if you go back and look at the highlights of this game. What are you doing buddy? Oh great shot great. Shot the real five seventeen. Make your free throws in you win the game. Kobe heads one from eight feet. Though going to get that bucket. is good. Yeah heard of them three point game. Kristy Mrs at three forty seconds left up three you hack shack wanted to. This is the most effective thing that exists in basketball action at this point in the game. Twenty six seconds left Europe by three afoul shack. He makes both check. Never makes both never. I don't think he's ever made both besides this time. They actually run off fifteen seconds of clock before the Lakers can file them. Which is the perfect thing that you can do in the bonus yet. Yeah so they would have been two fouls but still fifteen seconds. It should be no seconds coming out the clock to do that. That's exactly what you're supposed to do now. Blahdy just makes both in Europe three and the Sacramento Kings Philosophy. Misses the first and you could just see everyone is like how. Oh my gosh. He makes a second though so eleven seconds left in the game and now we're going to do a little dramatic reading. I'm going to play the part of the king's fans asking to play the part of the Lakers fan. And you're gonNA hear what goes through our minds during these last eleven seconds all right gotta get a bucket please. Just one stock. Just get the ball to Kobe. GotTa Stop Kobe. You just need to get overtime. You can't give up a three year balls and I so Kobe love it. Get it out of his hand I get to the he missed it house enough foul get a rebound rebound. Shak yet. A rebound. Don't get get a rebound gut added missed a rebound lauderdale's loose some grabs o'clock even moving where he's wide open is there any time left get their Weber or the wind. I can't look big shot. How do you not get a rebound so following that? That was only game. Four of that series trae. That was the eleven seconds at you. Remember though that ball just dribbling out or it's like and he just stood there like he knew exactly. How much time was there like? He didn't go run for the ball and just shoot a quick to. He's now's coming to me. I'm GONNA have time. It looked like it was like perfectly choreographed that it's just yup big shutterbugs going to get it on top drain. Tips anywhere else anywhere. The time runs out. Or just gets the rebound because there's no one even around him when it gets it. Yeah it would have been tough rebound. But he thinks there's there. I mean Kobe Mrs Shack Mrs. There was only eleven seconds to start. There's no way there's time left on that clock. There's like one second when he tips it. So yeah I don't have been the quickest tip ever and then he gets it off still. Somehow he perfectly chose an almost gets there. Yeah he got close lesson we game four kings come to win game five now he come home win game five but then they lose the next two well under very questionable circumstances l. Let's not get into that. That's a whole nother episode. Where we're talking about the NBA NF scandal with Tim. Donnie and can't make a free throw game seven at home. They had every chance in the world in Game. Seven to win could win game five. They want game fi could have won. Game Four Yeah when over twenty after one give me a break and then the Lakers go on. They ended up winning the series. They just destroy the nets. Yeah four-game sweep and not even close kings. Would a wax them? Kings were the best team in that series against the Lakers. But what can you do? Sometimes the balls. Don't bounce your way but I think I think it's that game four-shot though is stuck with them if you win now all the Mohsen your dugout. You're up three one going home. Their whole attitude if you see all their after. Game Post Conference Oh. It was a lucky shot. All as a lucky shot win game five but then they got hosing game six. This is stuck with them though but and then from that point it's a whole new world like the team still good. They're still together for the most part I mean. They're a little bit older but decline next two years. They make it to the second round first round exits and over five. No six I think. That's like a Ron artest or Kevin Near that falls apart after that they lost to the spurs but he made that one layup that won the game at the Buzzer. No the only game. I think we want in that series and then they haven't been to the playoffs since. Oh six longest droughts in sports other than like the Seattle Mariners. Not Great not great. I'd say but I mean those eleven seconds I think to. Let's talk about what happens. If he misses the shot or time runs out and the Kings win this series. They go on and win a championship. The whole role changes point right. Yeah they start getting free agents. You don't get rid of albumin. Yeah definitely stays. I think Petri stays longer. He's still stayed a little bit longer. If he's GonNa Draft Jason Thompson again man. I'd rather get a u haul. That guy from Ryder Pie. I think like the whole world changes was a fan. I mean especially in my life until the cubs won until two thousand sixteen. I mean Ravens. I mean football's probably Might Lois. Fandom sport it goes baseball basketball for me and then hockey probably in two of my three of never won it in the only one that has the cubs so well. It's one of those things man. It's one of those moments that you remember where you were when you were watching it. I was supposed to go to a party as the only Laker Fan. There with a bunch of Kingston's. I'm glad I didn't go. I would have been bad living very awkward but I mean I remember as a freshman high school basketball practice. My coaches were huge kings fan. As was I but I'd go out there. Top of the key for two knows Robert. Ory hold that hand up is I'm backpedaling down the court it's just one of those memorable moments on good or bad you member and an economic moment in sports but especially in Sacramento. Everybody remembers that shot. That was the height and one of the biggest shots that I remember in the NBA. I think the probe that team that you're probably one of the best teams ever to not win. GotTa be the. Yeah the two thousand two kings or one of those Steve. Nash Sons Years where the Year Amari starting over the year the warriors broke the Bulls records and loss. Nba Rig that series. I think Tim was on that call to all right. I think that's all we got for that. I think any longer and troy's going to have a little panic attack talking about that shot. So we'RE GONNA move we're and move on and It's closer down closer down. It's been a long night. It's been fun. We had a good time So we are going to have our first in studio live guests next week. 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113 - Data Science Tweener

Not So Standard Deviations

1:07:36 hr | 10 months ago

113 - Data Science Tweener

"Should we just start? Let's do it. I feel like I'm still warming up like I keep my first meetings always garbage where I'm like I'm still drinking coffee. It's like seven thirty you know. We don't have to get to the heavy stuff right away. We could like so we can ease then. A little bit talk about the last dance you know Oh, my God yeah. Let's talk about the last. So episode are so I just finished the Dennis Rodman one which I really enjoyed I did too I learned a lot about Dennis Robin. So we should. So to introduce people, the last dance is like an ESPN ten hour like ten episode. Series about Michael Jordan and the like ninety eight bowls. Yeah. It's really about the last that season of the Bulls with Jordan all. The superstars? Yeah. But that said, it's like a lot about Michael. Yeah it's supposed to buckle George Yeah like everyone else's like they cover and they cover a pretty I mean it's ten hours. So they cover people pretty well, but it's like, Michael Jordan's personal journey is like heavily featured in every episode yeah. You've seen the whole thing but I've only seen three out of the ten episodes. Yeah. Which is kind of mind blowing because it sounds like you were the much bigger fan. In the. His first season year I was born so it's like I could not have followed. His first season I was I only watched in the nineties, but I mean like I just. Try to find the time our. Is, hard to find was it also? Anyway. This show falls into increasingly like a growing category of. Documentaries or historical shows about my childhood. Yeah Right. It's like finally you've gotten to that age. At it's like I don't know if it's troubling or awesome. Let's both vote traveling at also right so. Clearly the target demo for this. Yeah. This is not for like Jen's E.. The other show that this dream when I saw this when I. Started watching the last Dad's I immediately thought of the people vs OJ Simpson. Have, you haven't seen no and I know I need to. First of all well, that's not documentary but that is amazing show. Yeah I mean I've only heard like great thing but it's the safety. It's like I remember exactly was when the verdict was announced I like it was just like that happened at a critical time in my childhood growing up not really but. So. same thing with this. Totally so it just hits that sweet spot. Yeah. I get that. I need to me too. It's like. Even though I was I was younger and. I wasn't I was like into the Pacers. Specifically I grew up in Indiana but I and so but like it's also just this moment of like Michael Jordan was like as true as oxygen you know like it was just like he was part of. The world like like. Part of one of the fundamental elements that made up like. The world basically, that's A. That's an interesting way to characterize it. Okay. Yeah. I agree it's just it's hard to explain. Yeah. It's just like it's not like a like he is. He is bigger in my mind said like anyone else basically like other people are people burst he was like he was all basketball. And basketball was like a huge thing to growing up in Indiana. So but like more than Larry Bird board than anyone you know, no, he definitely had a superstar quality that superseded anyone at the time and even now like I mean even now like it's I mean maybe when I think about it, there's certain bands like this is so stupid but like Hanson. Case. So he like things that just became so massive at the same time for me like. But but I also remember the first time I. saw handsome like you know I was like in my basement watching. MTV and I was like. Girls are really good. I literally thought. I. Remember. I remember learning the. Paper not, girls. So. I don't know. So even for me, it's like fresh eyes for me of like Asthma Donald examining this as a human and I think that's true for everyone like I think he'd like is becoming human through the documentary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like is so unique at impressive that impressive isn't even the right word, but he's just really unique and lake. He has a quality that like. is like superhuman about him. And it's just like interesting to see VAT. And I think maybe. You could tell me if I'm wrong about having seen the beginning couple episodes I feel like you know he's not doing this. He didn't participate in this show because he's like pushing some agenda. Now he's been very honest at he's like you know like you WanNa Talk I. Got Time to talk you know. He seems very like I would say relax because it does seem like he's not like a relaxed person. But he's like, he's okay with everything in the sunset he seems remarkably self-aware. Yeah. He I mean for someone who like I actually, this is terrible but I kind of think of him like trump in some ways where it's like. was I tell you this like there I remember reading an article from someone who like Had like made fun of trump's hair and called it a wig or something in an article, and then like many he was recounting future article like he'd written that and then like years later trump was like in a room with him and like pointed at him and walked over and was like feel my hair like, right it's real. Yeah and that type of just like the moment you challenge it is like a dog like you know. Like I will I will preview I will remember this. This'll be big and I will like proving wrong. You know well, they definitely highlight those incidents especially for sure like there's actually one of the upside just watched with like the reporters said like Oh, they're gonNA lose to the illusion three or are they going to use it for? He's like goes to each reporters Z. as I showed you yeah. Like a friend of the court even. And it's just like, I, mean. So that's the part that I think is trump. So it's really rare for someone like that to also be super self-aware. Exactly so that's what's really impressive because he even said in the first couple of episodes slight about his childhood trauma you know and I was just like Whoa that's pretty huge like he does see how this is like like his dad is pretty clear where this came from his dad was like, oh, he couldn't do anything. Yeah, the the footage of him saying that. Yeah. No, it's like 'cause that literally says that stuff so it's just like okay. Like. This is a pretty clear cut in clear lake. He's like the younger son and his dad he was like proving his dad and new you just see that permeate. So it's like. For him to be aware that's pretty impressive. So he's just like sitting down and he's like, yeah, I. Presume he's like been a Lotta therapy like figure stuff stuff out like. You know and he's still he and I guess you haven't gotten there yet but they go into the gambling and he I mean he gets defensive in the way like an alcoholic would be like I. Don't have a problem with drinking eat ask. But he does say lumpy and he's like I. Don't have a gambling problem. I have a competition problem and I'm like, okay. You. Have a copy of another. Major Competition So. No that's what makes it so captivating that it's lake. He and it sounds like he was so button up and like didn't. His image was so important to him. He. Really did craft like this like superstar like Nice Guy Image. Right yeah. So, for to like finally, kind of like here's the man behind the curtain is like pretty big. I think that is part of the elemental a- advertisers companies that loved it right? I. Mean They just loved him right and that's part of like. It addition obviously, it just play. That's part of why he was like the superstar among superstars right. Because he was just a commercial. Success. So I. Liked him so far is that I don't feel like I'm being sold anything yet. You know what I mean like. a lot of series like these. It's like they come back because they need to. Enhance their image I needed to make a comeback whatever it's like. Getting any of that. So that's good. No definitely not I totally agree and I think that remains true like, yeah. The only thing that like I don't even think it's an agenda but I do think that like. The Scottie Pippen wasn't super happy with how he was portrayed. I think he wasn't happy because it was true. You know what? I mean Okay Yeah? Like. He's a pretty interesting character. You know I mean who knows like no, but it's like it. I feel like you can kind of get him in a way that would probably make him unhappy and he's like I was trying to figure out what is careers looks like since then because it's like he had some quote recently with the Bulls where he was like they kind of like fired him. It was like some sort of like spokesman or something. Like that, he was like, that's okay. I wouldn't work for teams that win. It's like, ooh. Out like no wonder you're like, anyway yeah. There's stuff closer to the surface that you're like. I have to sell my homework I, need to finish it but. It's so great though there are some moments like I like reroute I, rewind, and rewatch because I was just like Oh my God I have to see that again, it was so good. So. There but it's a slice. It for people who don't even care about basketball at all. It's just like a captivating character study league I recommend it still. Have you how many times have you seen it though? I restarted it, but then is like start. Start a new job. Yes. So Warmed up how big news? Yeah. I've warmed up. You know I'm only I'm still only like a fourth of my way to coffee too. That's okay. You're no longer working at statistics now. Yeah. So like I. Well I kind of I. I have my comms plan. For. How to get this out there and I wanted it to reflect the like rapidness shock of it to be you know. So it's just like one tweet was like. Today's my states districts. Next week I started the fighting campaign. That's it. and. So yeah, I I am fulltime at the Biden campaign and I'm working on like a there's an analytics org. And then I'm on like the data science team within it and I mean there's only think seventy six days as our recording lift in the campaign. Coming in obviously pretty late and so I was hired as a data science pm because there's just there's so many moving parts and the team grew rapidly you know as is required and so. There's just so many dependencies and like you know you have fifty states you know plus DC. And like you have like all just you have so many people who are depending on. Like Accurate analytics in order to make strategic decisions like who to call where to market like what states to focus on. So there's just like a real need for empiricism. And you know they made the decision that I assume all campaigns make of lake let centralize a lot of that work and then have it radiate Al, you know and so like a portion of that is on this central data science teams so. It's really important to like like it's a very rapid like production deadline thing. So so I think it's like the perfect role for me and the next step in my career you know like I've been talking a lot about the importance of PM in science. Great. Product. Science. This is obviously a really different application but but anyway, I mean I the way I wanted to talk about obviously like you can't. Talk about it much and like it's been, the response was like overwhelming and I think it reflects how nervous people are about this election myself included I mean. And so You know it's that's obviously like super flattering. You know I mean I think anyone join campaign because they want to be a hero you. So. It's nice to feel like a hero. But like I. The things I wanted to emphasize with more time and context was one. There's still there's already a really strong team you now so it's not like. It's like Oh. My finally, a real day decided to it's like there are there are already experts and they are you know like I am not an expert in the application I'm like I. Described myself as like politics dilatot. Like I've never worked like you know the people the woman, who's man me is like a political science peachy. You know that's someone who like deeply understand strategy deeply understands like everything involved in the importance of certain data and why it looks bad so. That's the I'll just never catch up on and But that said for my role, it's a little less important. I mean I'm eager to catch up on it but also. Like I'm not a strategy I wrote to like help execute and then. Tell them like by what state Tillich go to or whatever. I've taught just. Like on the phone with vitamin every? Day Jill. So and then the other thing is just like you know it looks like a simple story with the tweet and everything of like, Oh, I was just driven by moral and like sense of duty and and that that is definitely true. I. Do feel driven by sense of duty but like it wasn't as simple, you know like sticks like obviously was a huge passion of mine and you know it's just like the stars kind of aligned in terms of certain changes that were happening there and like kind of the position I was in in terms of those changes and shifts in focus and stuff and then. I the thing I like I feel proud of is like as things as the path became more clear like I did not consider any other move than the campaign. Like it was just like. This is what I need to do like there's no question but like it's just it's just not cut and dry anytime. You have like a break up with the company. You know it's just not it's not like some simple story. So even the simplest separation always has some story to it. Yeah. Like it's like a, it's the break up. No matter what like there's like a lack of alignment could enclose that was kind of like an inside joke tricks so It's really hard sleep like yellow box the linemen. We had this presentation from the chief Algorithms Officer Valley had to. Aero's is kind of like our one office space moment of like here's the. For what the company's doing, and then here's your Arrow for what you're doing. And like are they in the same direction like the yellow box of alive moves like where they intersect. With the idea is like as you're out of alignment -ly although the thing that's funny is that the box doesn't necessarily smaller if you're pointed in opposite direction, you know. So anyway the alignment wasn't there as much. Anymore I mean that's it. They're gonNA, continue with Alfred stuff they're actually kind of building up the capability. So it's like it's not like that was gone. You know it's just like. Internal stuff. So one thing that occurred to be while you just we're talking about the new year new jobs seems like. Quite like this spider web of complexity in the organization. And when I typically think about something like that like I think of like a large kind of slow moving bureaucracy. But this is like a large organization with complicated relationships that's also moving very fast. Food like wow. You know, yeah, I mean I think like with campaign I mean I just think it's so fun to be able to do this I'm like learn so much so quickly and so. Yeah I mean I won't I mean I wanted to caveat listeners that it's like. It's not like things are simple like I won't be able to talk about. If anything you know like this is probably the most they'll talk about it. Until like, I mean I, even after I don't know what I'll talk about. It is like it's just like a level of responsibility that is like. Like the it's not like I don't WanNA share and it'll be kind of hard for me to like I like talking about what I'm doing right but like. This is like a really serious need for confidentiality. You know it's like they're. Like the security issues that in twice sixteen? I mean I can I even I can't overemphasize how much security stuff we go through when we're on boarding like. It's just like really intense and so like. That's not a joke having if. If you're ever was definitely not now. There's definitely it's like it feels a little war like in terms of lake foreign actors you know yeah. So it's just like it's crazy time so. Anyway. So yeah, it was like a really it all in folded early quickly and like obviously like Cova tire I mean, you know like working retail during like everything was rapid. And so see ya it's just like. You know I'm super grateful for statistics like it was a huge part of my career and like there's definitely there's definitely some tears over leaving. Yeah, but Yeah. So like I I kind of describing people like well like the like the chaos at me like I had like a little bit of a delay. Like in terms of like the covid chaos in general. Everything being upended but like a hit me. I'm there now you know. And the campaign totally remote. So that's like that was part of what let me do it. You know right? Like you didn't have to move somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder yeah. Have going forward. Well, I guess there's a lot of things I wonder going for. So maybe it's not worth. Speculating well, the play by ear in terms of my availability to obviously. Yeah. I'm hopeful that Lake. We can keep this up like I have a few hours for hobbies. Okay. But only a few not too many. This is like not A. Nine to five like. It's all his decorate. Yeah. It's all hands on deck and it's like it's like the eight hundred the the on boarding person. I really liked this because I'm a track runner in college and I was like this is like the eight hundred meter we're at that point of the campaign. And so it's just like. You got to do it. So I didn't get that reference L. Eight, hundred meters. It's like the worst race and track why? Because it's like it's not a sprint because it's too long, but it's not distance because it's too short. It's just like you have to like. It like it is universally hated I. It's hard to even explain 'cause like sprinters don't like it and distance earners like. So you just have to like. You you have to just like book it for. Two that's two laps on the track and it's Oh. This is I i. guess that's just like a grind is what it is. It's a grind and like it. Like really elite four hundred runners, one lab like it's not quite sprint all the way around but it's like pretty close to that But this is just like the pain is a really unique and really like like if you pay it wrong, it is awful. and. So because you have to leave just enough for the kick at the end. So it's like it's just it's just like horrible. The only other one that feels similarities to me is like the four hundred hurdles to 'cause like that's both yet to book, but you also have to be hurdling and like those last few hurdles you're so tired. So it's just lake your higher risk for like complete wipeout. Thousand you're not selling. This job. No I was one hundred meter hurdler. Book It. Yeah. So anyway yeah. So I'm really excited I mean I could not be more cited also then afterwards, who knows well, we'll about the leader. I do not mind like the uncertainty. Is there anything else you want to say because I wanNA use this to jump off on an idea? Let's jump off. So I wanted to ask because I want to talk about now that you've. You've worked at let's say you worked at. And get sick fixed both on data science data analysis teams, and so that total has been what seven years, seven years, right? Yeah. So you've been in this business for business log is has been alive. Like I feel like an old timer, which is ridiculous I, mean I m people laugh at that. It's like. It. Yeah, I'd like these were companies were by the end I was like older within the war you know which is ridiculous. The modern data science wave, right? So you started in like in like twelve thirteen. Fourteen, thirteen, thirteen. Okay or June thirteen I, and my recollection at that time was that like things were kind of picking up steam. Yeah. Like I got into impart I mean I got into it for a lot of reasons obviously like I never really felt like I would be an academic Linda grew up. And so. And that wasn't like why entered a PG I wasn't like I wanna be a professor more than anything I just. To me I feel like I'm a quintessential like a PhD became like a college degree leak. It was kind of like I wasn't quite sure what to do and I knew I was good at it and I was kind of like drawn to it and I I knew there was like really like they're just an article about like statistics is the new sexy job like the twenty century. So. It was kind of a strategic decision of just like this seems like a good career to build and I'm good at it and like. I don't know what I'm doing with my life. So think the only thing that I really give myself credit for it. I think this was true. Is that I had the strong sense that if I left college and went to like a career. If I went to a job where like people weren't treating me while I would like absorb that too much and I would just like become the employees they think I am and so I was like I was like I'm. cocky. I'm better than that and I don't want to get like stock you know and so if I get this, it's like an upper hand for those situations. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's kind of ridiculous but that I know now from a career that is true like. Happen like. So if I just gotten stuck with a bad manager, who was like talked me down like my confidence level, you know it's just like. It could have turned out ugly in that route. So you know and then I was just lucky. It wasn't lucky like, I like I was lucky. It's like we're it's like one of those things where I was like I. I was lucky. My whole life is like I get fit like I was very privileged. You know and because of that, and then my personality and like my childhood trauma whatever like I just like worked like hell. So that like getting into Grad school wasn't really an issue you know and so then I got there and then I got completely blindsided without hard it was. which actually settled warned me about one of my professors Pomona was like this happens frequently like because people really thrive at Pomona but it's like a really like a wonderland of like. Everyone's super supportive and you're working with the professors directly and therefore there they went till smaller. School in order to like focus on teaching. And then Hopkins is not like fast. It's very different police. Yes. Yeah. Well the purpose of this history lesson the is to say that you when you graduated from our department, you were one of the first people I think I've said this before you're one of the first people who kind of went into a non academic job that wasn't like a traditional bio stat like pharmaceutical company it wasn't like Clinical Research Organization. It wasn't like the traditional stat of job. And you went to like this tech company, which was like, which is quite different from. What suits done in the past. But then going forward. I would say it's common, but it's not uncommon. I would say, yeah, I would say I entered a tech career the way like everyone does. Right got I got a job like you know I don't want to say lower level but like you know I I, think the peach gets you in like a mid level rate versus like a totally entry level data analyst. Dave. Analyst it's not like a data like wasn't like building recommend systems. You know like I was going in and like doing bio stat type stuff like I think that they brought me in because they wanted a lot of experiments support and so there like a lot of just like toxicity around experiments, and so I could come in and be like an authoritative like expert on that. Which happened like that. That was like that is what happened and then But then since then it's like, okay and then I kinda like you know. Rose, the ranks, and then I moved to this other company, you know which like in retrospect can had like a fuzzy definition of what data science did and I think that's actually Chris Chris Chris Benin, I duNNo. Krispy Kreme krispy up a little. You know in terms of like a potato chip. Yeah. Yeah. Like they were just kind of like, okay. Like you can do more analysis staffer you can do more like machine learning stuff and like we're on the same department, you know and so then yeah, there it was just like similarities kind of like try to climb the. Corporate ladder and like you know try to do projects that are impactful see yeah and I was thinking about you because I was like I've been like just throwing it's kind of satisfy the end ended job 'cause you can just like throw everything out. You know it's like you're done and like you can't even work on the problem even if you wanted to like. Don't have access to the data anymore, and so it's just like this feeling of like none of this matters anymore used throw everything out. Even in college and stuff I never did that and then I bet you've never done that in your life and even if I were to leave year like academic stuff never gets thrown out like. Poured it over to your next. Yeah. So It follows you forever. Yeah. It's just like it's so it's been so abrupt for me that it's just like. It's it's crazy. It's like but it is satisfying 'cause like by the end, there's just so many tasks than it was hard to prioritize them. So it's just like this feels good to like let go of all that. About, like what to do and what was important in like? Within all the you know. Like. Stuff going on and so it's just like Oh man I don't ever have to calculate that number like. Roll it out like. That's All these projects backlog I just like toss him. I did my best to lake tell people but like it's not clear some of them won't get done some of them won't. It's just like, okay. Whatever like to fight you know. It is what it is so So now, we're at the present and also I I. Guess the other reason I wanNA talk about this with us there was this tweet from Hilary Mason. About like what is the future data science? What does the future of data science? and. I just mentioned that as a tweet is lodging of question because I wanted to kind of get your sense of what you think. Of the. Kind of the. Where like the data science team? is going I mean generally speaking not in any specific company like. Where's it? Where has come from and colleague? Where's it going? And Is it good? Is it bad like what? Like what is the trajectory of like the data science team at companies kind of generally speaking? I have no clue. Or discussion this five. Now. I mean I know I engaged in that thread? Hillary Mason's obviously like a bigwig actually and I didn't finish that thought part y went into data science was like I talked to her personally and. I was like really interested in her career like she and I have discussed a lot kind of like where the fields that and like. What we're happy with what we're not happy with and she and I are pretty aligned. We're in the yellow box. And so it's like, yeah, we have kind of this Yeah. I think that at the time I entered there is like all of this potential of like she was bitterly and they're just building such cool things. Like they were understanding the Internet in this way that no one else could because they could see clicking on what and like at the time they were really involved with twitter. I think that that ended because twitter built their own like you're all shorter. And so that company isn't like where they were previously but. Yeah, it was like. kind of like a scrappy nece to like. It's scrapping. This isn't the right thing, but it's like like she and what we really share like the desire for data science to be like extremely product focused where it's like build the cool thing and don't build stuff that doesn't matter And I think that we both share kind of this like. Uneasiness with the direction of the field around like such a focus on methods and such a focus on like. Where like? People not being focused on the big picture of like. Are we building the cool thing that's important for the company or are we just Kinda of like playing around with data for fun, right? Yeah. I guess the question I really wanted to ask you because you said you what is the status of your kind of vision for? meaning that for data science being the like you. Do product oriented and kind of like. It's focused on. The needs of the company? Yeah. Well, I mean I. Think so I think there was so much higher I mean it's this is all those like talking points that isn't even totally. I take was a little born for my experience of there's so much hype for like recommends like I'll add this recommended system like money pours out and. That's just not true and never was, and so I think that companies of like why isn't up to that a little Pouring money at the like there's always done money in the beginning. Same advertised I remember I, talk about it before. But like early days in the lab according Josh Marshall Guy It's like there's just so much dumb advertising money where they're pouring money at the problem and now they really understand it and like it's not you're not going to build a thriving business just off of like add clicks like or at least I don't know maybe like influencers and stuff but From like a news perspective and so I feel like it's probably they're a little You know the one that I'm really not sure about is the one. I'm most passionate about, which is product analytics where it's. Okay. In a perfect world, would the P just be technically trained to league analyze their own experiments and be able to like dig into like X Y Z is happening Like the product person is the one who's obsessed with the product and they're like, they know every single thing that's going on and like they understand the user flow and like they just like. That's their focus and so do they do those people fundamentally want a partnership or do they want to be empowered to themselves? Yeah I don't know the answer to that and I feel like I am I know the answer short-term which is that The education isn't there. The bandwidth isn't there and so they need the support of an analyst and the analysts. Is just like as plugged in as the product person. And so but what I don't know is like longer term is that the healthiest solution or would a healthier solution be like for the product person to be enabled and then tooling wise. There's this desire to like scale automate that support, right? Yeah and I don't know. I don't know what that is like I. Don't think I have the answer there. Yeah. Yeah and Dave Robinson actually is working in a role where he's building out. He has a job listing right now like if you read it, you of get a sense of what they're doing, which is like. Building also like four, a Bi tool like looker something where it's like. That does give you like kind of a controlled playground for like, Hey, if you click around, you'll see like breakdowns of numbers and percentages of these many users get caught here and whatever. And so he's building out some tools for like doing smart suggestions of like, Hey, you probably want a group by marketing campaign here or something like that. and. So That's interesting because that is playing with this like where is the boundary for? How much self service versus not. Right. and. So and again, I'm like I don't think I think maybe. I was veering toward like that should just be an expert. But I just don't know I can't actually I know. That's what she sorry. which you just be an expert. L Like the person who knows like you probably wouldn't a group by marketing campaign like like. I mean the equivalents pretty obvious which is for scientists. Should they be doing the stats themselves or should they be like collaborating, right? Yeah Yeah but then the problems are a little bit. Lower than with scientists around just like should we change the user flow should change? The way the website looks whatever. So is that level of support needed like? A fulltime dedicated person but then there's so much pressure for it to be automated. Is like gross to me? You know And like it's just like you can't skill everything like you can't like scaling decision making is like. I think that it's a slippery slope I will never I. Don't think it'll ever obviously Peru slope. Yeah. So in terms of that part of it I don't know in terms of like recommend our system like. Those just seems to be engineering teams like I, like to me it's just like. If you're talking about a user facing in machine learning product like that just needs to be built the same way. Engineering products are built like period. You know like it's just like. You need like in my opinion, you just need a product manager you need the appropriate support, any tech lead like I just I don't see and I think people were generally on board with that in the thread where it's like there's engineering expertise that's needed and you just need to function that way and like. That won't go away even if the title data scientists goes away. So yeah like I think like having like Algorithms embedded in a production capacity. To me that need like to me, that is requiring product managers may be more technical. But then. A straight. So It's like. That's just like technical advancements. The same way that there's like engineering like. I've spent a Lotta time trying to understand twitter's back in just from like a user experience and like what you can delete. So like there's just so a detective there. I mean in some ways, our product is amazing. 'cause like you can search and you get stuff from like twenty fourteen showing up. In. So that's like that's incredible. Mean I guess it's like Web scale but like it's just there's so much content so for it'll be able to pull up like. Here's your twenty thirteen tweet about that is just like. An amazing surge capacity. I mean maybe it's not maybe that's just like the best thought just like that whatever it's a huge thing. There's other tech this study. The point is there's like very complex engineering projects that aren't just like Oh changed the front end code. So it's like, PM's understand that so low maybe not. Maybe twitter there's just no PM. But I mean, that's not even fair. They're like very innovators still Emma. But what was the consensus of the title of Data Scientist? I think the consensus firmly? Hilary Mason and Michelson and stuff was that it should go away the yeah. There won't be hired. A person at the company whose like titled Data Scientist Yeah and I agree that. Based on Kinda, like what happened like I think the lack of like clarity on like the different roles of different people including myself like 'cause I was pretty open is working on the data collection stuff whatever and so that is kind of a support person for data scientists in some ways like it's like I think I would have felt better with like a different job title. But not like a like that doesn't mean I think it should have been like farmed out to someone else either I kind of wanted like something to get invented You know where it's like okay. This is like kind of a unique noothing for like. Enabling data collection specialist. You know and and that's not even all I wanted to focus on either so it's just it's complicated. Yeah I. Think IT'S I think there's a kind of. Analogous evolution in academia to that I feel like I've seeing I think. There used to be this kind of like very thick middle ground. Where academic kind of like. It where you could kind of make. I guess it was recognized that you could make a contribution that was kind of like a what you call it data scientists. It was like you're. Kind of. Focused on scientific problems and bringing ver- like data science tools to them. Right. And that I think is going away. Yeah. I like the idea that like let's like trial machine learning on this new this existing application and like see what happens. Well okay. There's that for sure that still happens but I think the. I think there's increasingly less or. decreasingly. This less. Recognition of like people who build workflows like put data together and to solve like actual scientific questions. And I think the now it's split between. Are you doing kind of like more mel? Theory? Or are you just like a scientist? You know like you know what I mean like Yup and like the idea that there might be someone in between that. I feel like I benefited from that time. You know in the past where like you could you could imagine a person who's kind of like inbetween those ends of the spectrum but I think there's less less recognized now I think. It's I. Don't know I just feel like the future is that that middle area will disappear I. Think. That make any sense. Well, yeah. But I almost feel the opposite where I feel like in the future well I mean, yes or I guess I'm positing two scenarios where it's like either. That gets Angleton like what's required a PM's. Either in in this world, it's like either that gets engulfed of what you expect the scientists or it gets engulfed in what you'd expect Amal researcher. With M. L. researcher it's like it's like the devops fear. It's like you have to kind of, do it sometimes and build the tools to make it better and like so this'll be like, yeah, you need to like do applied machine learning in order to understand the theoretical paths to go down. But that like realistically that to me, that's just league that doesn't work. Well be that as obey because the mentality like a devops like had to like it comes from such a more applied field, right? Whereas like the people who are running the servers also build the tools for those tools are heavily applied whereas like pure research is like. I assume it's Kinda pure stat research. Yeah or In theory apply billy the. Literally things to study there you know. I just feel like. In the academic here's this. I'm not saying this is true. This is my like speculation, right? So just to be clear like That say this is the state of the world right now but I feel like there will be increasing pressure to cut up choose sides like. I think the ability to kind of like. I worry about the ability to kind of make a career that I kind of had made which is like making scientific contributions. Via like. In data science type of kind of approach like, Yeah I. Think I've with you I think I'm expressing the same uncertainty where it's like. Are the scientists who work just going to be expected to be way more technical. Ultimately that is the question. And I. Don't know I. Do see people who are like. Really. Like machine learning experts who came from scientific fields, right so it's like those people exist. Sure no doubt. Yeah Yeah I just don't know though I don't know what I I don't know how I feel about it. It's like I feel like being like, oh, it has to be one person is like saying collaboration is bad and I think collaboration is good, right? Yeah. I do think it's also like it's not like knowledge has stopped everywhere else. Right so like the biologist or the whatever they need to learn more of their thing to. Add. So it's a little unreasonable to expect. Everyone to know everything right? Well, yeah I mean, and again it's like is this just like the complexity of knowledge that we've created is like requiring more collaboration. Like in the complexity of the things we built for the Internet has gone up. So like is there just more collaboration and I mean I know in terms of the short term I know the answer is, yes. You need the expert by your side just because like the people in those jobs now don't have the time to do it or learn it and probably don't have that interest either and so. I sort of feel the same way, and again I'm pretty skeptical of like people trying to build ways to automate that middle ground. But there always. Yeah. Okay. So this is exactly what I wanted to get to because I feel like I'm glad you said it. was always a desire to do that right Oh for sure. And people even if they have an accomplishment people were. Always willing to believe that they have automated away. Think. Oh, for sure and and it's such a desire to like. To do it like like from the perspective of the people doing like in my road, like the core engineering work for machine learning, they do not want to do that stuff. So they will try to automate it like period. That's like the mentality there in and I don't even disagree with that I. Just I I don't disagree with their desire to do that I. Just disagree is the right solution and I disagree they should ever have to make that choice. But well I but then I'm also like but maybe the solution I, I, think the burden either needs to on the PM or the end like maybe with somewhat stronger, Tulane. Or needs to be on the collaborator but I don't think it should ever be on like the core engineer you know. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it frequently is it is a cause of infinite frustration anyway the. Phrase by original question wrong because I really shouldn't ask you about the future. It's not really fair. Well no but I mean I'm thinking about it where I'm like. I. Don't know I mean it's hard because I'm with you where I'm like this middle person, the one of the consultants I work with. Stitch fix was like you're a winner like you're in between two fields. That's good. All right. And it's like if you read like Harvard Business Review like there's like articles about how important these people are you know? But those people costs. A lot of money is a big. Organizationally Nolan knows how to manage, right? Yeah. It's painful. Speaking from experience, it gets the frustrating and so But then I feel like. Failure modes are like acting like they're not important ready. Yeah Yeah. Yeah but then again, I don't know. I feel like it just needs to play out organically 'cause like if tools aren't the right decision like people notice like there'll be Harvard business review articles about like tools won't solve the United I mean. Know maybe there's a general. Phenomenon of like. People are always the problem you know. That's a little cheek obviously. Maybe, the more specific way to say that is that people are always the biggest cost. Well Yeah it's like I understand the financial pressure to automate automate. Yeah me. and. The strewed academia to. Every collaborator, you bring on cost money that you know the thing that took me by surprise during like. Some of my discussions shakes was like. I don't WanNa out this person but someone said something along the lines of light will the reason my data scientists are paid a lot is to like scale things and like that's why we get. These salaries and I was like I could not disagree more with you right now. It's like I just don't I think that that's like what was sold. You know early days of science. And it's only it's not true but it's like engineer scale thing you know like everyone scaling fairly pm scale things we get just not. I don't view that as like the role of data. I. Think that's a very engineering focus data science perspective. Yeah. Yeah, and so. This idea that like you would work on signing that is not like immediately scaling things like I mean that's why it's just unclear where it lives because if you're. I mean, that's just not my theory of like how people are compensated. I'm very lake. If on the Scarcity model of your skill set right marketing. You know it's like just based on like not objective truth. The. The academic version of that statement is is basically the you've paid to do theory right? You pay to the theory is the ultimate scaling. Yeah, great new theory, and then it's applied everywhere, right? Yeah and I think I just saw on twitter today I think it was at Tanjung. Who's a professor at Columbia? She said was talking about how like you know at least in academic data science you know the the you have to focus the contribution is the workflow is the development of the workflow. and. There's always pressure in academic papers. If, you develop an approach is always question of we'll. Can we apply this approach like five other areas right? Make a package, right? Yeah. Can you scale it basically and it's like well, hold on a second like we solve the real problem here with this approach that other people hadn't been able to solve like why isn't that a contribution, right? Yeah. That's exactly and that's where my frustration is like. Solve this thing really well, like let's not immediately. To scaling. But it's like and I guess it's interesting to think about that in the tech, the non tech world because like in the tech world, you get why to some degree because it's like. It's like what's toxic about the way companies are built right now It's like you have to ten x early meet investor expectations. So it's just like this, ideally scale skill skill. But so yeah, I don't know how I feel about that in terms of like. Like it's weird that science is getting them pressure because like. Where's it even from flaking? I it is an interesting question because it's not like I can't identify like a shared source of that pressure necessarily but it just might be a coincidence that like I think it's just the. There's like a parallel kind of. Interest I mean, would it be number of citations? Yeah I don't know. I. I think. There is an inherent. Attraction to like imagine if you were the person who built like. Logistic Regression. He changed the world. Yeah. Like there's inherent attraction to the idea that you build something that everybody uses in like totally disparate fields right Right and so I get that. I'm not against that necessarily right but I'm against is that everything has to be that right? Yeah I. Think it just ends up creating. Well, this JJ is like, is there inherent complexity versus? Whatever the other one was Just kind of like unnecessary complexity. Yeah I. think that's what you call them and so it's just like I feel like you just. Invariably, you introduce unnecessary complexity when you try to scale like. Even. Like you introduce more complexity like I would say, okay, downright you introduce less introduced new complexity that is like net less complexity, right? Right. And most of the time you introduce more complexity that is more unnecessary and his net. More Louis. Like because then it's just like people I feel like invariably it's like everyone knows that it's like used to be I toiling you will not reduce the number questions that your team gets. You'll just. Like change them. Wrong That's Hillary's law and everyone thinks I mean I feel like I've anyone I've talked to WHO's like more focused like agrees you know? and. So that's where you need the twitter to be like. At the end of the day you're trying to reduce. With technical tool and that does You know. Like it. That was a various sake discovery of. 'cause it's like you're you just giving people different wheels suspend. This is like I get worked up because it's just like it. You have to like have someone in there. You have to have the twitter in there like calming people down and that's like the that's was frustrated about design as the. Not, designed the like that's where it's frustrating that we haven't adopted more designed like methodology because there's such an acknowledgement of like. People are gonNA come to you and they don't know how to express it. They're going to express it in ways that are like traps. You know like if he just like get numbers, you just need more numbers and like the whole thing is ridiculous versus like. If you have the right person to go in and be like, Hey, let lake. Let's answer that question I see the pressure under lake. I want you to feel better about this project and also like. Let's talk about like the inherent risk they will never be solved. Yeah so it's just like it's it's. Yeah like I said, that's where I get worked up. So I think I hate to say this but I feel like my vision of the future is like somewhat pessimistic at least. A little bit pessimistic. And I think but I think. Maybe I feel like two people could have the same vision of the future and one that would be super pessimistic be very optimistic. That yeah it's like. It's unclear. Yeah. My perspective is not like I think I guess my personal opinion of the if this were to play out, it's not a great outcome but I tend to agree and I think that's like in my discussions with these like. Thought leaders, you know I think there is a consensus among a group of people who I personally respect Because they agree with me. But like I think there is a pessimism about like this being done right or. And this is like, what's Front Lake I dunno it's what's frustrating where it's like. I think talking a few times ago about like you might see the fire company you're like there's a fire watch and then you try to prevent the fire but like most people ignore it and then by the time like it comes if you've kind of prevented it, you're so burned out that you don't feel like the glory of it. You know. It's like kind of the same thing playing out in a macro scale where it's like, ooh like. I feel like we see where this is going to go off the rails and I wish I could prevent a and like. Yeah So, I kind of agree. There are I mean there are people like I totally trust like demob to like do the right thing you know like I think that he totally gets like. Like I think he likes his job because he can explore that kind of like. Where's the boundary stay functional? And so there are good people like about this problem in a good way. So I'm not even totally worried about it in that sense, but I just think there's such an overwhelming lake. I mean I don't know I feel like it comes in some degree to like people like. There's no world where you're in a job and you like don't think you're I think it's pretty rare for someone to be in a job and be like you know what? This isn't needed I'm gonNA leave you know. Better for the company for me to not be here. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I think people just like are under such cognitive business like justify their existence somewhere that lake. If you have all this hype in the neon people entering it they, they truly believe the hype eat on I mean like it's not so I don't know I. Agree I'm a little like. Feel about it. Yeah well, we'll have to see There's a sense of I had a conversation with someone and I really respect you just kind of like you know like like sometimes like. People see the solution, but like there's Like there's people involve like it's not just like here's the thing now everyone go do it. Like. People there. So it's kind of like, I don't know like. Actually more that I, kind of studied psychology and like personal exploration watching the Michael Jordan documentary like you just see things play out in your like I know how out I. See it. I. See what will happen and then it happens and it's like not even satisfied anymore like it's really yep. That's what happened. Yeah it's very frustrating to be able to predict the future and not do anything. About. It. Yeah. Towards at least take advantage of it right. Yeah Yep exactly. The one I'm thinking about the most just lake. This is terrible. It was kind of is like celebrity breakups you know a-. Vallon work. Exactly how this? And then like. The one that like I thought of and then almost immediately tried to block out was like climate change righteously. Oh No. Place out whatever what did you say how how do you think it was gonNA play out L. Climate change I just feel like. Convince everyone it's important like I just don't see that you mean like in terms like the societal reaction. Yeah. Like I don't see society about like actual club. Well no I see like society what react the way that like we need to end so it'll be bad. Yeah with the that Sand Lake with covert and stuff I. do think there's been some new curve balls that are late. We all witnessed like a catastrophic meltdown of a different variety. So People are probably a little more tuned into like the importance of prevention. I don't want to go down this road. Immediately tried to block it out because I. Know. It's too depressing. About right now. There's too much either so I know that is just like such as despairing time like I it's hard to even express like. It's just like. If you're like in the middle of thinking about one crisis like another one might pop into your head you know yeah. Yeah, and it's just like, oh, now there's there's three distinct ones I can think of currently. Is like. Climate change in Copenhagen. That's like, yeah I mean. I remember I was I this the national academies a panel. And we were writing a report about like. Climate Change Related Yeah and and some of the pedal talk about like how living in an era of constant crisis. Or? How Constant crisis is a contradiction in terms, right. because. Crisis definition is like not it's like a spike. Yet but it's true. It's not. It's just like it's I don't know it's like it's one after another guess what it comes down to. Like and it is I. Mean I feel like a I'm like incredibly lucky to be able to like work on the campaign. You know you like a sense of control back even though I was trying to figure out how much more impact can I have just like vote you know and I was like I bet it's like a smaller multiplayer than people want to believe right? But it's not it's definitely more like only more impact than a vote or like just my local influencers status. You know 'cause I like I like I have more impact because I can like tweet out things and so there's more chance of someone votes who wasn't going to or whatever still not super high right but. But greater than. Zero. Going in like there's an existing team, but I'm trying to make them more efficient and so what does that? Do you know? It's just like every kind of like. It's like. Yeah. I don't know the but I am like it is it is I mean I think I'm smart and I think that I can make good decisions like I obviously think I'll be good at it. Yeah I think it's not worth spending yourself in circles what what is my precise in fact too good to be. Well no that was all leading to like I think what I am doing right now is just trying to cultivate a sense of like inner. Inner calm in the midst of like a potentially a lifetime of constant crisis. And like that's the only thing to do. Yeah. Well, I guess another perspective of the world in general and like world history is that. Is that there's always been like. I. Don't know. Maybe it's always been like this. Who Alto I thought a lot about that too. It's like it's so easy to be like this isn't fair, but I feel like to some degree it's like. Probably, this generation and maybe the last like. Like I don't know we were potentially sold a vision of the future that was false right but like even my parents didn't go through that because they had like the NAM and they had like. You know the Cold War in the eighty nine crash and then the two thousand, nine crowd you know it's like it's not like they had call they have like calm you know in. Like actual war like friends. Yeah, yeah and so it's like I mean not the People's friends aren't dying now but it's just like talking about like trauma. You know like like it's like a like a generation of LAKE PTSD I don't know I guess every generation has to figure out just how to handle. The crises of their generation, right? Yeah. It's like I think I think maybe what's unique right now is that I know my generation was like. Kind of sold this idea of like a rosy future you know. Yeah I guess. So yeah, I. Don't think that there's nothing unique. I don't believe that like everything's the same all the time. But maybe not as specialised we maybe think they are it's definitely not a special I mean like Oh, my God. Like you know the Mike. Grandparents like World War Two like fighting in World War Two. It's just like. Yeah and then they had like. Vietnam like they went through a lot. Yeah. So it's I. Don't know. Yeah I. I agree. Though. So it's like I mean and that's why I am attracted to like this then stuff 'cause just like how do you cultivate like the the peace and calm you need an peace calm? Isn't the right word, but it's just like the emotional resource to like weather turbulence. Because, if you're if you're waiting for that moment when it's all over, then it's like. You can't. Stop. and. It is I feel like a sense of like acceptance that that's just the case late Yup. Yeah. I think maybe where I'm getting with my parents, it's like I did have like two generations before me where their jobs they had like one job for like most of their life. Yeah Yeah and so that's like that's fine. I'm I mean and I could have had that like you can have that race. So far. But I like I just like I have a I don't think that's as possible and be I've chosen pathway that does not happen. So it's just like okay. So how do I just like? Except that like this is the situation I got myself into. It causes some turmoil internally and also I can accept the fact that I put myself there. So even if I act like a hater like clearly I'm doing it maybe I don't. Act Like I do you. Don't hate it but it's just like it feels like home you know. That's that's like getting deep. Yeah academics have a version of that too. For. Sure you just. You just. I mean. That's kind of the whole like sense study. It's like you you you learn through that. Study Yourself, you invent the world around you to feel like the way you think. and frequently it's like something that causes you a lot of suffering. Academics the perfect example. Instantly, feel like you're not smart enough and like you're competing for people to think you're smart in order to feel love academics where he should be self selected to just enjoy suffering. Yeah, exactly. The. Just to say. Some about how If you WANNA succeeded act like the way to succeed. Academia Devia is to is to somehow muster the straight to have the same argument for twenty years in a row. Yeah exactly. But then it's because you you like it even if you act like you don't like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you WanNa like you it feels right? Yeah it totally does Yeah Yeah How do we end up here I? Know it's like deep psychotherapy now i. The the campaign such a different environment though where it's like it's I mean. It's more like adrenaline junkie is people who wanna be fight like actively in different type of fight but like like. The idea of like delivering perfect things whatever is not the issue like I mean it can be an issue but it's like People actively work through that because like you just have to get stuff out the door and the pace so fast. So the deadline is so clear. Very clear deadline. So it's just like It's super cool I. Mean It's a nice change of pace. I Imagine I. Bet it is. Yeah.

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Jo Koy, Theo Rossi, and Sex or Parking

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Limited time offer. Exclusions apply. Let's go. All right. It's radio today, we have THEO Rossi juice from sons of anarchy on he. I forgot to ask you to him. But I don't know if they like there was some fancy filming in that show. I thought juice was teeny tiny. Yeah. He's an almost normal size. I thought that as well. I don't know if I if everyone on sons is huge or if it was wanted they wanted to make him look smaller. That'd be bullshit about like agent fix this tiny. I'm one of the only guys in Hollywood is actually, like five eleven. We look five six months fucked, because I was always thinking that watch them a little fellow. We got juice on. We got Jo Koy on. So it's funny you did the juice that the Arashi interview solo and I did Joko solo. So we'll put those two together Joe Cooley. Let me tell you something. Joe Koi is a fucking baller. Yeah. I mean I know he owns a restaurant in Vegas, right? Yeah. I don't wanna spoil it, but he told some stories about his he's doing Stephen doing Santa for thirty years. That's like how old is he? Yeah. That's the thing. I said, the, the part of the reason. I'm so surprised because you don't look thirty. Yeah. You don't look like you could be doing anything for thirty years other than just being alive. He thirty so he's telling some stories about Chris rock, Robin, Williams nights at the laugh factory, and he was dropping some of the numbers, he, he sold on select for tickets. I mean their numbers that I thought only like Bill Byrne. Dave's pelted. It's astounding. So really, if you are into any sort of comedy, this is a very good interview to listen to. He. Yeah. He he is. You'll have this. I'll give you because you you didn't get a chance to you weren't there. He produced his own special he just like fuck it. I'll pay for all of it because like Netflix and wanted at first. And so he was like dumped his entire life savings into it. And it was like sink, or swim like this. You have to nail this performance. And then he went back to, to Netflix and was like, you know, do you like it or not, like what do you think? How about now, the amount of Blake the route the amount of pressure for you to go up there and kill it. When I actually always think about that. I don't have enough confidence in it. He was like, I knew a gallon, like can't was interview here, but he was just so confident in his set and he was like this is going to be good. They're gonna want this. They don't want me for whatever reason, but when they hear this, I know it's good material. We're good to go. I don't care what this podcast could have a zillion fucking downloads. We could be we could have a certain joker set or segment that we know crushes it we're going do the office coming up. We know that the office is an international hit. But if someone said, do you mind doing the office for me for all your money? The. There was a viral video the other day of Fred, vanfleet, raptors guard pregnant who confusing name with Greta van fleet. Agreed I don't know. Who's who any more now and rat, Greta Fred? They're both the various very oddly similar. But so he was via video of him giving a speech at some dinner or something along those lines. And he was talking about how I guess he went undrafted. Maybe and then was offered to play in the D league. Drew league whatever it's called for five ten grand a year. She's turned down said, Nope. Abedi on myself some teams gonna want me, I'm gonna make it thing. Now when you're betting on yourself on the other bed is five grand, not a huge, but it was his message was bet on yourself was bet on yourself, which I do not think, is a good message. Because both of you are bad, that it's true. I wanna talk to we both instinctively looked the cameras for that. Like you must any Bill dot com slash Casey. So you can look at me yelling at you. Fucking do not bet on yourself. Don't bet on yourself. There's not much you provide to this little fuck. And TIMMY, little Suzie Q. What and also good about you, nothing. Why do you think that you have like, oh, it's you are the longest of longshots don't take that bet. Don't lose that money. No this this. I'm not even trying to shame you. I'm just trying to make you see that you are not worth betting trying to save you see him trying to save you man. I don't even saying be better. You are the best. I can be sure embrace mediocrity. But don't go out on a limb with your mediocre self. Don't Joe Koi. No don't Greta van fleet. It what's his name for advanced red van bleed. It don't do that. I mean it is stunning that it worked out for Fred vanfleet. Okay. The universe use up all its karma for people taking a chance on themselves with Fred fucking van ain't none left for you. You and your idea, your your, your idea for an app or your big brain? It ain't gonna work. It's not gonna learn gonna fail. So don't waste your your life safe. Don't ever bet on yourself. Have have a couple of bucks home in the Bank. Do your nine to five go home, sitting unless the low risk bet. That's kind of what I may come in the bars. I was like I could go anywhere else. On the other side is basically no money either. Really? All right. This is not even a risk. You know. But I didn't I didn't take a risk of barstool until I like I did a real smart. I like ease my way into it, where it was, like, I got worse at Deloitte, and while bar soul grew, and then I waited till Deloitte, fired me so that I could keep my benefits and I got severance like I flat out was like I ain't just ditching this, like you don't have enough of a sure thing yet. And obviously, it all ended up working out, but, and now most people who start here. It's like it's already a sure thing. But when it was like, yeah, no benefits and like a huge pay cut. I was like, well, let's think I'm gonna keep doing both. Yes. Yeah. So I absolutely don't hear MAC you I was I was playing both sides. And if you're telling us. Can't tell both sides that you're playing both sides, I was watching the abandoned pool episode the other day. Awesome is just so good. It's just I mean, the, the picture they painted with the public pool shoes. And even when MAC first pitches, the idea like unveils like the little poster board of pool and Frank just like pass on. Yeah, if David had come to me and said, like, though, you're in or you're out, I probably actually would have taken a chance, really. I think so because it but again, it was like, you know, I think I was making like sixty five grand at Deloitte, and a fulltime job so was like fifty so, you know, it's a caught, but it wasn't like you know, and I did not wife and kids have all that shit. So I probably would have. But I wasn't going to unless I absolutely fucking had to so for you to just offer that up, do not chase your dreams. You are not special. You should embrace mediocrity. You should conform to the rest of society, and you should be normal five keys to success, hugely important, keys to happiness five keys the neither of those things, you just said, but thinks he's still just gotta do. His life. It's fucking live in, man. I and you unhappiness to life dude, you acceptance is the key to life acceptance you're going to accept it. And then you're like, and you're good. Like I've learned so much after going through all my shit, where it's like it's not that people aren't still just roasting me publicly at all times for my missteps it's that I just don't care anymore. Welcome to the fucking team. Oh, God, damn it's nice to hear. It's just like I you know, eventually you just don't care and then you realize, well, wait a minute. I don't care about this, and this a minute ago to me was the biggest deal ever. So then I'm gonna fuck about this. That's not going to talk about that. And I'm not saying just turned into something like apathetic loser, because every time we know seriously because every time we say that I think it comes across a little bit disingenuous because at the same time, like we're still doing this and we're still like, you know, we're going to try to plan new things, and we're always coming up with new ideas. It's not like we're lazy. Right. But we are it's male time. It's like. Not GIC acceptance of like your limits. But yeah, it doesn't mean I used to what I used to tell I things while everything's what are you talking while I wouldn't? You said you'll get don't care reminded me of that blog. I wrote day about the, the Boeing stuff where was this? Like I feel like everyone on the internet needs to have an piffling for just the most things don't matter. And I don't mean that to sound cool or anything like that, like a vast majority of the things just don't matter. Right. And then he gets up further like your opinion on the matter matters, even less, you can. There are so many things be right. I it's, it's almost like I have in my room, my childhood firm. My mother hung thing I would lose my temper, and it was it was Thomas Jefferson ten seconds thing, and it was like ten steps in, like breathe here. And okay. It was I thought chairs on my window. She had to do something. Every time it's a story this, like I only have it twice with a chair for. She was like, listen, you gotta stop doing that. Like, like a desk chair pick up. Like smash would on the on the ground outside second story. Yeah. Through the glass oatmeal. Oh, wow. Dude, you're crazy. You're a crazy person. I got my, my Thomas Jefferson thing. I, I went through my crazy. That's a good point. Like Halsey said this halls he was like, I'm so happy, I had my crazy phase when I was in high school and not one on famous like your I'm so I was like I was like it's like middle school. Which is scary to like, when you're when you go crazy when you look at Lebanon somethings, like inherently wrong, and you a yoga even been first of all, you grew up in like a perfectly normal house. Minus your mom be a little bit weird. Parents happy, homegoods siblings played sports. You had no fucking reason have chair rage something like like you were unhinged wanna know of the, the first the first time I reserve her. Yes, I do. They're trying to get me to go to therapy. Why were they done something? I, I don't remember what it was, then I was like, I'm not seeing a doctor Dr. All right. We'll just hanging poster. You were definitely I've learned this, by the way, now that I'm a parent you start to hear the things. But other parents, there's definitely the scary kids in life, like I know a couple of parents right now that are afraid of their kid and should be like, like, like, like Damian shit like you're a fucking possess child, like weird things where your it's, it's got to be tough to admit like my kids are like nice, little sweet kids. You know, I know a couple of parents were, like, yeah, she's like she's weird, like, she's she's, she's kind of dark, she's kind of, like she's like, oddly precocious, and like scheming, and scamming, and it's like you're that's, like a horror movie where the kid is like a little too smart. That's all my pictures. I'm smiling baby picture. You were the scary cow. I'm looking at this camera. This fucking kid. He just throw fucking chair Paul Bali Pali dodgers. All very funny, because it's me just like the fucker. You know what it is? What's your angle, they made you should just let you fucking where Peter Pan close. No, it should do fourth grade, and Peter Pan. Why don't you stop them? It was a year. You gotta stop them. You gotta stop with the Peterborough share. Didn't didn't raise the window to anyway to psalms Jefferson thing. I do that now with things. Really work. I don't know the Thomas Jefferson thing, it's just was just. It's a common thing because you had one hanging on your notes. Thomas Jefferson was basically just very calm, basically. Just like pause. I just don't think it is. Relax, your shoulders for ten seconds and like it won't be as big way. And I just do that anytime I sees me on that makes me mad put your phone number two minutes. I forget it ever. I've ever read it. There's so many things have you'll poor so much time into and hating barstools, one of them that they just try and try and try to hate this thing, where this is like, just doesn't really matter. No, it was going to get mad. Pharmacy. You go for gopher walk. I'll do sometimes do well, just get up and I'll take a lap around the office. Yeah. Back. I don't even remember fucking four or open up. Some porn Hubbard do whatever it takes to distract com- common helps. Yeah, big time. I mean, I but what I'm talking about. And where where does connect is. I think whenever we kinda give messages like this people take it to mean like, like I used to get people being like I just don't care anymore. You're right man. Like I dropped out of school. Our haven't job, fuck it. I'm just going to like drink all day. We'll know now you're a fucking loser. It's gotta be within moderation. It has to be about things that just actually don't really matter. So when you're right, you're mad about a sponsor, you're mad about a joke mad about something that is literally, it's physically not tangible and not going to affect your life in any material way. Just don't fucking care, right? Just stop caring. And that's still, there are plenty of things to care about a you don't have to be able to passionate it, but there's usually things like this matters. I know we comment I comment on trivial things all the time 'cause that's the job. I try to make it funny and I got a paycheck for it, but it's not like I deeply like. Yes. Right now, I'm very deeply that with the Saint Louis blues and the people, Saint Louis sports all the time. But the that is basically just anything else where like. It's it's hard to explain how it works. But it's like I can I can be upset about it just white. It's the way where goes, Jim. It's five o'clock. I'm gonna take in his home me. I'm good at. Figuring out where expend the energy on. And then go that was nothing to jump. Well, it's two things. Just one the ultimate mantra of be normal. You just know, just like just think to yourself, is this really imports. Like, what are you ready game where the rule three would you give it three? If you're trying to search lasts go bro. If no one helps you, it's over, Don, if you can sit the angry, four for the rule three you think about whatever topic it is. And you just know is this, actually like something worth discussing or fighting or opining on or not. And you just know you just have a gut feeling for it. And I can't remember the second one. But as a matter, just be normal. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. So, yeah. Well, I also, by the way, I, I should address this is kind of awkward that we are doing this recordings on Tuesday because I have to be in Boston on Wednesday. So you'll be listening to this at my mood is probably different than whatever you think it should be by the time either the Boston understand, like champions right now or their lossing came seven while you're listening to this. John is definitely drunk. Yeah. He's a happy drunk or like maybe dead drunk throwing chairs that window. Right. There's one to find out. I also just quickly as we're talking about, like people online who care too much, the, the people getting caught up in our, our tweet, where we put the photo shop of Kevin Durant, getting injured on the big screen at the bar. The mean where the bar goes crazy? And it's a soccer clip that people Photoshop other things onto the screen, the amount of blue checks getting mad at that be like this is fake barstool is circular Slough remains trash like it's a very popular being shut the fuck. I would actually commit suicide if I was one minute, I press, send on that, and everyone was like, hey, dude. It's a joke, and it's a Photoshop mean on purpose and you just got all bent out of shape, I would probably commit suicide, I also, as we're looking at what's going on online Bill. Dan bazaar, Ian, just got hacked and dropped a hard ER, fucking and words. And I think the. If you hack somebody and you do that. That's stupid. Everyone knows it's a hack now. Yeah, I think it would be better to go like a little more subtle with it. Well, I think what they do is they do that, which then causes people to immediately, check the page. Go to the page. And then the next week is there plug. But I mean, honestly got how many followers I that guy had four hundred seventy something I mean I'm interested to see where he ends up? Yeah. I mean, man, you if you hit five hundred crazy look at some of the stats Joe gal going on newest member of the case radio team. He's our social media guy now officially he's been doing case radio tweets for a while. Now on the side, there's a fucking. There's a success story for you. You know, Joey didn't do he didn't like just randomly quiz job. He'd just tweeted and tweeted and tweeted and tweeted, it's undeniable. You know, we have to get you a job here like he'll pop off with, like fifty thousand retweets. And it's like new followers four people. Just don't don't follow shit anymore unless they absolutely have to. So the idea that you're going to hack someone I would love to get hacked, you would because, you know, it is it is exposure, maybe get some more followers, maybe get some eyeballs whatever. You know, Liz got hacked the other day it was, like this might be good for business might say it's hard to get these followers. But I, I don't I guess, I don't really care. Either way. I would you what would you have nothing to say? If you hacked me to be like subtle. But like getting in trouble like again words is not like you know, it's just like, okay, that's obviously not him. I met suck, I'm gonna fucking kill myself. Yeah. Eastern. I will I will get you in trouble. Yes. People. When it happens. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's a good one. Any sort of kill yourself stuff or who'd I'm probably gonna get suspended again, for another text for mom. Again, Twitter I could easily just go delete it and I'm just not going to funny. The screen shot, right? Algorithms not going to pick it up. Can't do Paul, what if I just screen shot handwrite him? Yeah. Kill yourself. Can kill myself. There you go there you're fucking Gulf. All right. So we have the two interviews. Coming up, we also have voicemails, but first another addition of the office delivered you by post mates. That you that's your new horn. Yeah. I think so. I can you do the wind growl again. Get your votes maids delivered. As you're sitting at the office, as we do the office here. You can get your postman's delivered to the office. Get your lunch sent get your dinner sent issue breakfast sent to get your Dunkin delivered. Whatever it is. See that's what that's what that's what they revolutionized the game. I remember someone stupidly saying to me, what's different between posts ordering delivery, the places that usually don't deliver what can fucking deliver. Now dude. It's like yeah. Pizza places have been delivering forever. But now Taco Bell. Does pretty Hyun difference. Yeah. Pretty much. 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The I mean I have three passwords, you know, all of them. That's what it is. What did call? We say the nineteen ninety two Olympics now I don't know much about nine ten two Olympics. I believe that was the dream team. The come in third saving metal. Oh, no ninety two believes the dream team. Oh, nice is the dream team dream team. When was it whether they didn't make anything that that comes much after that comes after the, the, the ninety two Olympics is the original I dream team. Yes. Oh, I'm not. I don't care about that. I would care more about the failure, but it is funny to go back, which is which is so fucking wrong of me in the world where no. The world would like oh that was the time when they did really good. Don't give a fuck. What was it miserable failure? I wonder about that. Listen to this, dude. They averaged one hundred fifteen points a game. And they allowed seventy three so there is winning by like forty fifty points at night there. That's cool. I but I know what you mean. It's just like yeah. No fucking kidding. Dude. Charles Barkley, Larry Bird, Clyde, Drexler. Patrick ewing. Magic johnson. Michael Jordan, Christian Lehner. Chris leaders always so funny Carvel on Christmas got him. Dave Robinson John Stockton. I mean yeah don't fucking kidding. You should've won by seventy every game guys are actually underachiever, right? You fucking stunk. What I love about the only thing that I find interesting about that team. And they yes I know the secret practice. And all that good stuff when John Stockton went around town in bustle, and I believe this was about fat or Basque country. Funny is there's no no-one richness, though, everyone else, I couldn't go outside because they were swarmed and John Stockton, just went around with his family, just like video camcorder like kidney way. No one that doesn't God damn clue who Stockton heads. The Mormon just playing the Utah Jazz play Utah. I think I don't think he's a more Gonzaga. I think of it as well, because they're what Washington just think we're white people. Yeah. There definitely we're way people. So if you're weird way, person, you're a Mormon. With his bomb shelter and all that shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. PMT on Mathur Gonzaga. I just is funny because it's like one of those colleges where you hear about all the time strictly because of basketball, one hundred I learned that was in the state of Washington. I thought it was I thought it was in Washington d maybe even us in Washington DC. I thought it was an east coast school islanders in Washington state. The last mart. Title lost close. All right, interesting. I the, the years that they lost were that was great pure chaos cause, then what ended up happening is they came back with what was supposed to be like the modern dream team, and they fucking smoked everybody because for a while people were declining. It was like I don't wanna play or I'm injured. I gotta rest up and yet to not even metal is like they didn't meddle. Right. I am. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was one where like there was one. It was an international tournament. It wasn't the Olympics. I forget what it was called. I think there's one of those came in third I'm like that two thousand four I think it is, which is. Terrible. Two thousand two other four you know there's some there's fucking names out there like you should be finished. So they did metal there five and three they got a blonde bronze-medal ally. Persson Tim Duncan Steph Marbury Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade Amari Stottlemyre, LeBron James Lale. I realize that what the fuck I gave him third. They lost to put our Rico Dorigo lead Carlos Arroyo. Obviously, I'd seen that one coming. Yeah, that is. That's one of the all-time failures, maybe Dirk was floating around. And there was Argentina had. Judge? And I mean you're talking about a lot of teams with one player has no business losing to anybody. So who's up next next thing, I'll tell you what. I'm gonna run through spider gave me three. Oh boy. Wanted just do spider. Additionally, office sweater. We'll Jack gimme go into so spiders, got to that we can kind of just talk about quickly and then we've Jack max on probation at the moment, but he had this, maybe the stupidest take Claes on top fifty Thompson. Not being a top fifty five oh five zero player is just asinine. That's a lot. I mean I can't name twenty five by the time you get to like the fiftieth player. It's like these guys are just like marginal role player. Right. Starting five of every team on, you know, come on with is wider spiders. I one was shitty tattoos. What is the worst one? The worst out to ever seen, what is what is the worst of you would think of something that you like you would do. Yeah, yeah, probably some dumb shit. You do Mets thing wouldn't. But like I could see myself like getting. I see Karavas time Kerr that was the big Boston beer was on his calf. Right. You got to regret that you got us like the state of Texas on him. She does like why his grandma's from Texas or something. Not enough of a reason. He's like the outline of the state of Texas on his arm. I this is news to me he's got some shitty tattoos. I, I could see, you know, my kind of thing with, with, with sports is always with tattoos is always, like, I want to get something that I know I'm going to be due for life, you know. And I realize I'm not going to quit the Mets. I'm not going to get a mess that, too, but I could maybe candy sports onto I'm sorry, I cannot get down with sports. That is then. Then you good. Okay. Good. Have you on? I mean, the only thing I would maybe do as my kids, and I don't I don't know if I would regret that all that much. That'd be tough one unless they down to the grazie Kilian you sleep. Don't try to throw out the window. Hey girl, tattoo when she turned out to be alluded. What have you got attached? If your kids, but like you got said, you got on your ribs and say was bad the across our and you gotta earn it back. And then he'll get you get into one sable out, and then the year next to it like the Cleveland Browns tattoo. This is the time you were you were so bad for year. Mo- most parents do this with, like a calendar on the wall. Flashy, little bit gonna make you and feel it. There was a time where yes, she she's paying g causes you. Like, say. Throne chairs out the window. She'd probably be like. Take it you wanted at one point to get my hair tattooed on you and I get yours. I feel like that would be pretty bad. That, that's, that's what value on do. Now, I think I, I still Dan. He liked that one like that. I have a couple, I think I'm probably going to get tattoos. Nellie a ton but I get eulogised things. What are you gonna get? I don't see the thing is if you get like a couple stupid ones, then you become cool Ritz. Like, I just, you know, tattoos or not that big of a deal to me. Right. I wanna I wanna get is the crown from will wild things are and it was a book. It relies a kid. I don't really care about that. It's not like ooh. This inspired me. I just think it's Google. Would you get? I'd probably start. I would start everything was like, well, this was like the first timers read to me made me want to be able to tame. Cool. Can crown. Would you get? I don't want people to think it's like a king's crown. What about like the office are always sunny? I'm trying to think of the things that mean most of life most to you in life, and they're like, TV show. Yeah. Yeah. I will get like sunny logo or something like that, or like, oh, it'd be as don't see don't see you don't J into season. No. What is it? Don't use a c- in jail over your bees. I like I, I can't believe I can't even think of this quote. Right off the fucking top. What is it burned in the in the? Patty's house? Across your back the way. It's all like scribbled patties respect that would be I mean, if I saw someone with that tattoo, I don't want it. But if someone else had that, tattoo, I'd be like you are legit. You are. You could play on my team any day. Next one, I don't even know if this is something really talk about this is just a fact, fighter through at me penguins have knees in their bodies. Can't use them. Got wings. A can't fly either penguins are waste of time. We penguins body real, God them, useless. I mean, a real waste of Morgan Freeman's, time if he asked me out, you only penguins. I mean, they're cute. Sure. But yes seem like they're pretty useless. Well, they're definitely useless. But like, you know, looking cute is useful. Not if I can't hold you I need to. Like. I don't really care. Keeping it could be made up zoo. Even the zoo. It's like I'm looking at it. I'm not as zoos. I feel really bad. I don't do. I went to I wanted on day to zoo, once probably ten years ago. Couldn't do it anymore because the first of all I all I went like in like the winter super bleak. Like it's tiger guys. It's fucking freezing. We. What do we do? Yeah. Last time, I've been, but even like I just even if I can see them with my own eyes, I need to like pet you play with you and like hang out with you. I think a pet penguin would be while like even even today with higher. We had the dogs in the office. And people were like why did you like going crazy? Well, not holding it. Yeah, I can't hold it. They're going to show. It was actually look so so we're doing the run down. And we have these, these shelter dogs come and Dan was holding one I was holding one and Dan and Dave wanted one. And he was kind of, like, well, I wanna I wanna hold one, you know, and the my dog was a little bit scared. So he, he touched he I pass them off. And then Dan's dog was looking to get on his lap and I was kind of like I'm gonna take him like a power struggle for who gets the whole the dog. Like unspoken, like welcome on. He looks like he wants to go over to me. You want. You want to put a penguin, though. I mean could you imagine walking penguin? I mean, the amount of chicks the amount of attention. The amount of clout, you would thinking about. I mean how many Instagram dogs are there? Right. And they get like millions of followers. If you had let the only Instagram penguin, puffins, even better. What's it was like a, like a tiny Tanglin? So I know what it is. Usually get puffing cereal. Yeah. Puffing, Mr. poppers paying remember that book? I remember. Jim Carey movie. Yeah. I mean, I don't even remember remember the book like, yeah, that'd be great, if I had a bunch, mainland's, they can't live in the warmth. Well, that's the problem. But I've seen if I could somehow have them and I just ruled around with a penguin, dude. This is just my body waddling alongside. Hey bird, this knee, full bird that just doesn't use them. Yeah. This guy's got knees and his gut. Yeah. Poor penguins, which easier to walk around. You know what else to man, you watch that planet earth those emperor penguins. Dude, penguins, they got it banned. That's also one of the all-time videos that penguin fight. Oh, I couldn't even watch that. That was so vicious that was you've never seen the penguin fight where pecking them to death and bloods, everywhere, all girl, right? Yeah. And the memes that was so funny. Like I Tyler was all over in Tyler Tyler, I am was just like makes tape. He just had like, you know, like the penguin like Yellen, like, don't even come back for your robe, and word. Very, great internet moment. Penguins. I guess they're more useful than I thought. Last one from spider, I, he was on YouTube recently. I suppose there is a man forget where he's from. He's an antique collector, two million dollars antiques he buried in the Appalachian mountains. Lots of people been looking for it. What bugs me this guy's alive? He wants his legacy to live on. So he's never going to tell you where it is. Why don't we just go kidnapping torture? He's alive. This is something that you can't do. All your life is. I'll, I'll come you guys alive to the one wrote though, like the treasure map in the Pacific northwest and like the south west. Yeah. Yeah. Here too. I mean we keep torture, all these people. Yeah. Let's do that fuck. This thing now the problem is the one you want a good podcast. We kidnap people door German steal their riches. Steal the riches. He tell me that getting calls till you're rich. The one in the in like an hour Zona is, is like treasure booty. It's like jewels and gold. This one is do antiques. What antiques that makes me feel like Aladdin's lamp? Or is it just like look at this like fucking bowl from the Ming dynasty, that's worth a lot of money? I need it to be like treasure. That's kind of the and I talk about because his movies called volt, and they, it's a, it's a true story of a bankrupt, volt robbery in providence, and. You know, some of it would Jules we decided that if we would rob a vault together, I would get the cash, he would get the rules and stuff. And yes stupid, but he wouldn't run away with me 'cause he was like he's like, do you don't seem like you're very good? This. He's like, I'm gonna tell you as well, like we're, we're, we're going on our several. Yeah. I said you're gonna give you. I mean jewels are cool. You know, like you. I'm picturing, like you have treasure she like dig your hands into the rubies, and the sapphires shit. But I had to be liquid baby. Yeah. It's been able to like flip that shit. Would you ever we should do this? When we die. We don't have riches, but we will bury stuff berry. Unlike oh, by the way, just make people think like this might not be real these treasure. My I. Oh, I wanna do is go viral. Right. I mean, I feel this guy hasn't. I mean, I guess it's on YouTube. I haven't heard of this puppet dance like oh, yeah. You know, I've got like a rare collection of antiques. Like what the fuck does that even mean dude, I think, I think if we were to Berry's like let's say when we was whole studio. The Casey radio studio intact is buried somewhere big hole. Pretty cool. Yeah. We what are we? We don't die. Let's just do a case radio treasure hunt. Okay. Let's we'll take like an artifact of some sort from here. We'll go somewhere in the country and we'll fucking bury it. We across the street. It's going to be in the five seven. And we'll give them a list of like clues right, like a poem, and whoever whoever finds it gets to be like a third member of the podcast. We're gonna have some juice is. That's a lot. Yeah. Juice online, I don't know. I, I don't know if I'm willing to give that I'll tell you what. Okay. What we should do. I can't make this decision. But what deport nor should do for all the other things that have gone people jobs here. There should be a scavenger hunt job. I am dead S. I think that'd be part of Barcelona. Yes. Like if you went across the country, following our instructions with, with, with, with, like a poem or song or clues enhance national treasure style. And along the way, you're making content and chronicling it and we get to see you like trying to do all the things and you fucking find this artifact you should get a job here. And you'll probably be like the best one here and I'll give you can do that. You're good at following instructions. None of us are, so you're already like employee number one, very bad, or okay? I mean, I, I don't have enough clout to give you a job or anything. But I'll go hide some shit somewhere in New York City, and you could just find it in that'll be cool. Yeah, you'll be like yellow. It was fucking cool. I'll get you some followers. Yeah. I wasn't going to give anyone a job because I also do not have that. Route two don't want anymore. No new friends. We'll pick something out here and I'll go hide it in New York City last one. Jack Mack between about today? You have seen it big on five G at the moment. There has never been a bigger scam. Then all of the jeez. Now, I don't know if I agreed. So, because Jack Mak says that five G is so powerful. It's dangerous. He says I asked him how many Rankin and he said, it's a lot of rockets outta here. We're getting radiation because of the new Zack, which we already knew we talk about that someone you shove. But again, if you're on Barcelo that comes to see you can see where I'm showing my phone. It's where everyone in the world. I'm not saying it's the phone. It's like you're, you're Gooch. Yeah. So, like, I that's why I know don't have kids because every time I'm driving sitting my desk. Like my phone doesn't say about say that. But, you know, I'm I'm fertile is fucked. So maybe just has mutant kids who are well behaved. Right well behaved mutant children. That's what that's what my cell phones do. They fuck of your sperm, so you just have well behaved adorable. I think that all one g g two G three G five. I think it's all fake. I mean, I do I do think that technology is getting better, but I think, like, eventually just marketing, it's just like all right, we'll slap a new name on it. It's been a couple of years like we're the first ones to have five G. I disagree with you on that because it's not networks. I get five G. It's countries. And then the countries get five capabilities like China has got it in America. Trump's like we gotta get five g it's like it feels like a moon. Yeah. And we all know what they did with. Like that's when you fake shit and do propaganda. Coming out your ass. Oh, we got g I we do. I don't know figuring out three or not like Amoco of some fucking Russian guys like the figure it out. We just got it. That's a lie. Nobody has five g all full seem shit while go China to figure it out. No. But will the, the, the, the, the, the scavenger hunt guy can go to China figure out? You got you got to send. You got to send you prove to me, how fast five G is suck a dick, dude. I'm I'm, I'm into this one. I'm in, I like fast phones. I'm I'm working with internet that hasn't worked in five days for me. So fast phones are important. I'm I'm going gonna get to the bottom of this five G thing, let's get to the bottom of our voicemails today that brought to you by stitch fix. I'm a member of stitch fix for the summer because I don't know how to shop for the summer, I look, weird and t shirts. I don't know what color is. I should wear. I don't like wearing shorts. I don't know what to pick out for warm weather tire. 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So I was just wondering what are some everyday things are not everyday things, just things like that, that are so simple and easy that you just struggle with, you know, the other thing is starting to stove. I feel like I still have my kitchen with gas before you ever start to stove it just sits there and ticks, and I almost burned off my face. When when end up starting. All right. Limb, no. I get what this guy saying. But this guy also sounds, particularly stupid. I will the hose. The hose is particularly difficult. A hose ho ho SP speak. It's just don't work. That's why I always say that. That's a woman's vagina was typing because it's just it's a it's a, it's a dead did whole that dumps water out of it. Pretty even get through. It's just like it's not perfectly shaped hole that just like water kind of goes awry out of me because it's like it's been it's been hit by things before people have bumped into it. Spits are just they're not perfectly circular and. Just like the Johnny urinating. But the so that wants something I I've had that happen. A million times me. I get never had happened. I don't get people who can't like when guys like can't physically do the laundry. Yeah. My guys like learn at college like what are you to learn in college like soap in you push a button? And then like it says, like turn it on. I had understand that my roommate, Sean. We went through, like a full year Louis together before I realised and this speaks to my laziness as well that I wouldn't. Like call the super just like anytime. He did the dishes. It went. I'm gonna just overflowed in bubbles to the point where we would just like I, I knew Sean had done that load. So I would like put a bunch of towels under it in preparation for the bubble. Set whereabouts come out in the wrong Sovan. He's putting something. Yeah. After a full year. Like I, I saw him doing. Is that the soap you've been using are you fucking kidding? This is it only works when I do it, I don't know what you're doing. I'm just doing it. Finally, that's, that's this whole thing's been about this down. You're just using dove fucking. Give me you just jamming a bar soap into the whole. That is that might be the dumbest. This is good. This is. I feel like people are going to have stupid stupid stories. What's like the dumbest you've ever been? I've never been that dump neither have. I think there's some people out there. I don't think there's ever been anything where I'm I've addressed before the dumbest moment I ever had was, and this is not that bad. But I did feel very stupid at the time I was an intern at a trading floor and they were asked, they asked me to make a copy of a report, and it was like three hundred pages long and I didn't know that you could put it in the top where it just like feeds into it. So I was like God damn thing a long time. Like open the top I put page one in Skopje took the page press copy page to I was going to manually do three hundred pages than just three hundred copies and they caught me doing that. And they were just like, are you fucking kidding me? Which I mean I was just like I just have never seen anyone put it on top of the fucking. Yeah. We're good to go. But at the time rather than just being like, you know, I don't think. But that's the thing is when you're young with that you don't you don't think. Yeah. Like this can't be the way that people make copies. What about when there's a thousand page document I dunno. They must just sit there all day. No, you fuck is interns. Do I suppose? Right. I I've never worked in it as an intern in office setting by piloted on that, too. They also used to they wanted me to change the water on like the water cooler on that. Why? Because it was just like, that's I'm going to drop it. I'm going to spill it. And I remember someone being like yo I told you to refill that. And I was just like an sorry, I didn't get to it like you might you might as well. Just fill it up yourself. I wasn't picking that 'cause I mean, those ones where you gotta just like tip it and just hope for the best sounds like this, whatever I'm going to get like heat for not doing. It will be a lot less than if I'm like the guy. Like I pull a Kevin Malone with the fucking ball Jili like I'm just going to recusing myself from that role. I'm not doing it. I was lucky enough to grow up in a house that had that so allegations, so white at is so five it was, like my mom would like to fix the water. It was it was hard. But eventually I got it can do one handed out. Oh, yeah. No big you want. You had the strength throw chairs. Was building. All right, next week smell care. See adult child size. Joseph, I would you rather? Would you rather have great sex for the rest of your life? A great parking for the rest of your life. The other would be basically, they either choosing I one, you're getting you have to make like one loop around for parking at every time you are driving around trying to park. And if you're in, like parking garage, you have to like be the furthest away, or just have phenomenal parking and just mess. But this is easy for me. I mean I know where you're going where John's. Actively not trying to have good. Nope. It's really. Yeah. 'cause stowe's I hate. Pants markers. Picky parkers? Yeah. I like my dad's a he backs in the parking spots. I will you Robert a fucking Bank doodle doing just part the fucking car why we have to back in this thing. That's terrible. And then I hate I hate people to who like everyone's closer just parking. The I bought you see, we've just been more time driving around looking for parking spot at about, like a parking lot or like SRI parking. I, I guess I, I don't have a car because right now. I mean but I'd imagine when you have in Boston had to be a thing. No. Like in New York. There's like alternate side Yellen. Boston by parking in Boston, for, for three years with a car anymore for years. I get sick it every single day. And I, I mean I, I see thousands and thousands of dollars in parking tickets. And it was I have been parking ticket shamed by you non stop this year. Fuck you what do you mean? You can't be like I don't even know why you have a car you've getting tickets and shit. Fuck. Well, I needed a car in New York, and also I wasn't I wish say me for not paying them, I paid them to pay never pay them. I mean like thousands of dollars. I got out of that. I mean I paid twenty five hundred bucks. At one time, I had go to court and everything, and I just did it again. Like I just have tons of one paperwork that I have a, a mental block. I just won't do also I didn't always pay. I pretty often. But the reason was was because I was I needed to go, it would take like three hours to get my. They might lease my apartment to show that I lived in that neighborhood to get my resident parking sticker and all that stuff. And I, I knew Dave just wouldn't let it have, like three hours in the morning to go, so for like three years, I paid twenty dollars a ticket like I paid like five six grand a year. My God because I didn't want to ask day for three hours off. You know what good? I mean that's a good move, because it would just be blogging about all people, a guy, you're so lazy. I'll just pay. I it was like on in might have been more than. I might I might have paid ten thousand dollars a year to not have knocker compensation with Dave for three to four. I might have they forty thousand dollars too little to not have an awkward conversation with. You think you think that you like avoid conflict, you think that you hate your boss? You think that you, I mean, that is quite possibly, the most ridiculous stat of human behavior. I've ever heard. Is great. Lock in and year. I again, I don't know. It's, it's basically basically got one every single night if it's for three hundred sixty five days for four years, if it's ten dollars, you're looking at thousands, right? Then sometimes more than ten right? Right. Holy shit man. And again, a lot of times, I wouldn't pay him. So doubles the fifty. Right. And then boot every now and then or toll that's the underboss right there. Fade like seventy five grand close. But I'm gonna give the more things I had up higher and higher and higher. All just to be like three hours. I, I can't come in, in the morning. I gotta run to so like you probably would've been fired by then. Up your salary, and subtracted you, you know, you would have lost hundreds of thousands because you would've just got fired because he wanted three hours off during the day. Wow. That's a good sex store. Yes. So sex, I'm taking good sex. I'll figure out the parking or I'll just yeah, obviously the tickets. I mean that's what I do. Now. It's a pain in the ass when you have alternate side. I have alternate side parking at my place. You know, my place it's, it's like a little tree, lined suburb street. I've never seen cleaning company come never seen a clean machine come by once it's just eight to twelve on Wednesdays and Thursdays. And the, the street is dirty as fuck there, ain't no street cleaning going on. It's just a fucking sign that we all have to abide by by loss. I'm just pushing the button when you have three cleaning when you like when you have a car on the street. That's something that will never leave you. I still wake up in a panic. Like when I hear streak lean outside in the morning. Move across like fuck. I've lived here for three years, like when you have a nightmare about, like you, Mr. finals and high school. I've never had that I, I never I. I. Cliche, that I definitely I'm like, not going to pass. That's so weird. It's weird. Like when those those things really like do play out in real life on the cliches come true. Yeah. I mean, I'll figure it out though. I'm trying to get my rocks off, bro. All right. Time to get into these interviews. But first up big announcement we're going back to the big stage, baby. We are back to Broadway. Bike we go about literally back to Broadway. Hey, if see radios coming back to Broadway, after a two two plus year hiatus we are back in the live game, very excited me, too. I mean, I think I'm the one who's been holding us up. I've been a pussy about it, and now that we're finally doing it. I anticipate this just being kind of the new, hopefully the new chapter of our careers, where it's just like we also are just live performers. And I've, I've actually really I've been thinking about it recently because of all live radio. And I'm like this is I can do that. That's the thing I agree with that. Like I used to be nervous about even doing that. And now I just show up to cowboy jacks, or hurricanes or wherever you're at and it's just like, oh, I don't even care anymore hurricane hurricane is a bar. So I didn't think about so much there. But we're in St Louis that's. It's like a forum. Yeah. They evergreen room. They have available artists perform like musicians perform there. It was we were on a state that it was like we're loving it gravy. So we're going back to Caroline's on Broadway. Here in New York City, July tenth is the date. If you are on borstal gold, you get first crack at the tickets, which I mean to be honest, there's only three hundred seats. So I don't know how many people are on goals who are in New York or around that day. But if you wanna make sure you get tickets to this. You can sign up borstal gold dot com slash KFC. It'll be open to the public probably twenty four hours tickets. Twenty five bucks going to be a heck of an it's yeah. It the the past couple the Wilbur was a part of the couch tour, and it was a thousand people, the whole company came. This is just like we're, you know, the stand up comedians who go to these the Gotham, and the laugh factory and all these places like regularly. Just do live performances. That's kind of where we want to land. And just do you know regular performances there eventually we'll build back up to a tour. We'll probably go on the road a little bit through some of the hot spots on the northeast. At least. But we'll be doing it's going to be like a live podcast, you know, we're not stand up comedians, but it's also not just like you're gonna come and listen to us just do the podcast. We got guests. We got a little bit answer. The internet involves we got some crowd participation planned. We got some audio visual elements up on the big screen. So think of it as just like a barstool live experience, where, you know, the blogs that we write the social media posts that we put out there, the topics we talk about on radio and podcasts videos. We watch all of this is going to be coming to life onstage. So the first of hopefully many to come and the first of hopefully, a whole new chapter for KFC radio. We proven we could do it. We did it. I did a couple at the stand, we did wanna Caroline's, we did the Wilbur, which sells out a thousand, so we're kinda just going back to the medium level, three hundred some people, and we're going to start growing that whole branch of caves. He radio. So it's time it's been time. I don't know what why have been dragging my feet, but we're back. So checkup are still gold right now. Well at noon today if depending on when you're listening, and you can get yourself some tickets, July tenth at Caroline's, I believe it's eight PM. So they'll be plenty of time to do. You do a happy hour. I you come. See us, we'll go out afterwards. It should be should be a good night. So I'm very much. Looking forward to sign up for dads, sneaky down. Again, I told him though. Ooh. So if you're in New York, or if you're nearby, and you wanna make the trip, I suggest doing it on July tenth is Wednesday. So you don't have to worry about losing a summer weekends. So come on through checkout KFC radio presents answer the internet. Whatever it may be. It's. Let's new bre was do these interviews. We'll start off with who he wants to off with. With. Juice juice, though. Theo Rossi for all the sons of anarchy fans. We got deuce juices Zeus in the mood, new halt juice. Induce. That's awesome. He seems like a fucking cool last, dude. I'm saying this is a very very, very cool. He is. It's brought to you by Dollar Shave Club dollarshaveclub they've been around, since final Berg was paying tickets to avoid talking to Dave. So almost as thank you. 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Deuce the volt out tomorrow on demand. And in theaters now before we get into that we were just talking about David Ortiz, before we started and how it was just a straight. It was reported robbery me. First of all, your Staten Island guy. So were you are you Yankee so but you still have love for orgies? I. Yeah. See, that's, that's what I'm talking. That's how it would how beloved David Ortiz's I in there. So there are a few people, I think I'd give you jeeter. There are few other Yankees, where I'd be like I'd come in and see Yankee fan. I'd be like God damn that's fucked up. What happened last night? How could you not like big Papi, like I don't just have the respect level, but also because of how benthic he was in his personality. And what he did there, obviously three World Series, whatever all that. But nobody does that anymore. Like you say Geeta. It's like people don't they don't become the face of an organization and stay there forever. Right. Right. I kind of used to be like the thing, right? And we poppy, that's why I think this was so disturbing because he's true. Early like one of the most beloved players in an in an era, now of the last ten years or twenty years, where people aren't as they're more forgettable. We don't have these giant superstars? He's a superstar, especially in baseball other sports. I think still have that larger than life. Character baseball the best player in baseball right now is Mike trout. And he could come in your face. I wanted to tell cops. But the we were talking what will also aside for just staying with what makes him. So awesome. As a personality. And I thought that watching the video where it's like he doesn't have secure again. This is probably a live is now. But no security no special section. Just the guy. She wanted the bar with his people, and someone ran up and shot him, which was immediately report is a robbery. No clearly was not. There's not a single chance in all of hell, and heaven. That was it was it was an assassination, one hundred percent. Now, my question distance from that could you be like, how big do you have to be the beat assassinated for anybody to care lately, to call it a killing versus assignation? I mean, I think if I was assassinated at this moment, like right here as I was walking out, it might make a few small news outlets. But what would you call it an assassination or those at the arrest? He was killed. They might think I got killed by accident. They would have to find like a deep history of why I've been assassinated, what did I do in my life that I've been assassinate because to be assassinated, you've had? To have done something right? We'll be you've done a lot. That's why I'm saying, but someone to put a contract on my head like you would have to be like, what did I do to get that contract? I actually there was a viral video recently down. If you saw it was this kid, he's probably, let's say eighteen twenty one gas station in Idaho, right? He's wearing a sons Cup today's and some, some real biker comes up video on them. Like screaming at him like who the fuck do you think you are you having earned that people die for these types of maybe in unruliest biker, gang now major clubs it would have to be a small coke because we get so much love from all the majors. So. That's a very good possibility that I- portrayed a biker on an outlaw in outlaw biker and a younger outlaw biker trying to make his bones came in my setting up my own murder here. That's really plan. There's so many getting this idea right now. We have someone out on available. Young biker in the middle of the country, which one is going. This is a good way for me to get my patch assassinate juice. This is how this is going to be the most downloaded podcast time. We walk outside that we have someone ready to kill you. Theo Ross his own tape that juice. My god. He predicted he Machiavelli and his own two bucks. Both be legends would be. This would be you'll be lied be dead. Right. Yeah. But I'd be a legend. Yeah. Love it happens does speed alleged. You've worked with so many people if you had to somebody tough people do. That's what you excel in criminal right, criminals. Yes. And now if you had, like real life, people, people you've worked with sons Luke cage, the volt. Now, if you had to pick like four dudes who are they the most bad ass you've worked with, who was in the toughest people I've ever worked with? That's tough. I double word. Okay, let's make this quick. The toughest people I've ever worked with physically, like as in, they could throw down and beat on you. I gotta tell you, man. Charlie Hunnam super tough killing an Brazilian jujitsu super just tough. Even before that. Like we used to do this punchy machine. You know that one with the bag. Yeah. We would do that. He was me and him would go at it. He hits like a truck. He's super heavy handed. So I would definitely put Chuck, I see that because I still to this day is a huge Suns fan. But still this day when I to my slowest picture him in Greenstreet. Yeah. So that's, that's a terrific. Yeah. No, he's, he's super tough from Newcastle. Just just a tough dude in general. So I would say him, I think the toughest people are people that, you know, will just they would rather die than lose. So I would probably put happy in that deal who played happy like he's just crazy enough to like just go until the lights are out like he's going to go the whole time. We had a kid in middle school, who was like that. Here's this little kid and my, my middle school was towards the bottom of a hill, like you basically walked up, and that's what the fights would be. And this kid was small little kid, and he used to get in a fight every single day. Kid, ask it every single day, toughest north. It's still just waiting there. Let's go again. Let's go again. Month like dude, you have to stop. Yeah. Ours was meted, the smokestack, we used to meet at the smokestack may means you win the square up with someone. You're gonna go to smoke stack. Everybody's gonna watch, so there was always there. I used to love I was a weirdo. I used to actually just totally enjoy fighting when I was a kid. Yeah. Like when I was little and up until my teenage years, I don't I still do to this day, not real by doesn't anymore not, but not like bar fights. But, like we have I like to people in the office, I wrestle with no me like that was the thing in the neighborhood. Like people you would just fight you slap. Bakshi would fight you would do whatever it would be a physical nature. And now I don't think that that's like a thing anymore. Like people don't do that. Like I have two little sons who are foreign to, and they beat the hell out of each other, and I and you know, I kind of let it go let him right? Like I, I want them to do that because I don't want them to be like, scared contact. And all so, so my, my third would be as crazy as it sounds Alfie Woodard from Luke cage who I worked with is. She is as tough as they. Come she? Yeah. She played Maria on the show. She's she's super tough. She's an incredible actress and incredible human, but she's also like an incredibly just tough inside and out Yumin, being that, that I think makes her so spectacular, and brilliant. So I'm gonna throw her now. That's those are my three that's a strong three. I Don Marilyn Manson. No, no. You eat fucking huge. He's a big guy. He I, I, I would if I had to guess I would have had Maryland. Missy Enron program list. No, I love Ronnie softy. No just call. I'm talking. No just saying it's different now. Right. It's different. You're talking about like going in right now and we're gonna like it's going to be we're going in. No, I know. Hey, he's got bad bad back. I don't know what's been happening, everybody. He's, he's got that jaw jock takes a lot. He's tough. Ron is super tough like Romney was young proof. You know, I can imagine. But yeah, no, I've been. I've been listening. I've been around some real tough dudes. And worked with some tough dudes, the film wanted to films. They just finished that, that I can't speak about. Don't ask about it. I think on the year the years on this. Yeah, just totally totally want to just throw that out at the years on the set of the cassava. They hire all ex-cons. This is incredible, incredible project that I'm involved in a lot of producer involved, and I think there was one hundred thirty something years served on the crew really from different. Grips camera guys P as and even some of the actors in it, and I mean, these are some of the toughest human beings. And at the same time, some of the greatest people, I've been around some of the most genuine, Mosel offensive, so and a lot of them were falsely and wrongly incarcerated. So point is a lot in Madan like seventeen years twenty years, tough. It's just super tough. What are you gonna get into the wrong com world? That's, that's what you need to do. I'm trying man. I would love to listen. I would love to go into a work one day. I think my wife would love it, too and probably every single person. That's in my orbit and knows me. I would love to go to work and not have to like fight. No, just like torture, myself, mentally, and physically and everyone around. I did my last film, my last last film. Films ago. I did most of the film, with, like a rock in my shoe and a clamp on my back because my guy had been stabbed, and I been shot. So, like, I was torturing myself to be around. That's all it's a plus. It's a pleasure to do that. Or are you going above and beyond that? Rock, come on. But it's not real. I mean, the is never saw realize never loved us to live right now. Let me see. That's such a fall. That's completely. The same movement twice that doesn't happen literally, you, you mimic the same mood when you have it when you are truly hurts. You don't know which way that is going to go to have it. I've gotten around to really bad. Maybe real. Now, if you took your shoe off, and you put a little cut in your foot you would be in a lot of. Don't lie. You can watch things now and you could see falseness in people's eyes when you're watching it is that because HD because four K only add. No. I just think that if they don't believe in how can anybody else believe. That's I mean you're right. I just didn't realize that I, I wouldn't fault you, if you're like, look, I'd try best on the limp Woody, I'm gonna do people. Try Boston accents we've got. New York has that same problem is it's weird. It's and it's the only accident I can do with every action I ever try. And do this always comes back to Boston unified. Try and do it like a Russian accent. Eventually, it's like a guy from Moscow who moved to Boston. Yeah. Twenty years ago, I think with the Boston thing, too, is it's been made it's been made into like Saturday Night, Live did it as a certain comedy that it becomes almost larger than what it is. So it's like every time you hear somebody doing it, you think they're like, making fun of exactly it's like when somebody like if I'm around when I lived in LA for like fifteen years, somebody do a New York accent when they're around you and you're like, please stop. Don't do that. Don't do that. Talking about what's going on? It's like oh, God. Nobody sounds like that's not doing New York accents, too, I feel like they even don't even if they get body to where it's like, no no one talks like this. What are you doing? Are you? Are you running your hand to the they just watched too many movies? That's the problem. Now, speaking of Boston, the vault providence, right? Everybody keeps saying no vault. I'm gonna go with vault. It is just volt volt. Okay. Giving it a though. Yeah. Okay. You're like I don't mind that you drop the Facebook. It's just one more volt. No, listen providence, you know it. Well, Rhode Island. Craziest thing nineteen seventy five largest unsolved Bank heists in history. These blue collar run of the mill criminals, these two dudes who formed this crew go into rob this bonded vault. This furrier thinking they're going to get like gold chains and a few watches and stuff like that. And come out with thirty four million dollars, which is a quivalent until like a couple of hundred million. Now he's six that research hundred seven six million in today's world. These two idiots go in thinking they're doing this normal thing and come out with thirty four million dollars that comes a host of problems when you get that much money at that time, what's crazy about providence, that I didn't know going into this was. They were the third largest organized crime, mafia in the country, New York avenue Chicago mobbed up as well. The fight is still crazy Patriarca was running everything, like literally, he had Boston on lock he was doing stuff from New York. And here he is in the smallest state. You know. In the union, or whatever it is running everything all doing most of the dirty work in the United States and all that money. That was a mob Bank that they robbed. So where you track this guy, and you go through for ninety minutes of this movie, my character deuce who kind of orchestrates, this whole thing and goes through it is what occurs with him after that. And it's crazy. It's crazy and fun, dark. See eilly hike. How long would you last on the run after that? I got last a long time. You think you would? Yeah. CD. I'm savvy you. Sal. Yeah. I would get in and out of places. So I've been multiple ethnicities. I could slip into things like you wouldn't even know who I was. Would you go to Mexico, would you go you hit the Caribbean? I think you jump into Mexico is the move, because everybody's worried about, you know, all this, nobody's worry about people running out. So I just go right in. There's no tracking system. You can just get in nobody's going to apprehend you, you know, pay off a couple of cartel guys. You know, get some protection, just go into ground. I think what you'd say Mexico for good after that. No. I think I'd try to move around you just can't get like you gotta stay away from you. Can't go to any of these major metropolises. Yeah. You can't. And you can't go to any -cation spots. You know what I'm saying? He's like, not even worth having money if he asked me. No, this place is that nobody goes to. I would go to some cool places. First of all, there are some dope spots in Mexico that you can go, go live on the beach fill. You just gotta stay away from everything. There's no cell phones. You can't talk to people. You just got to cut it. Sounds like heaven to me. I mean, the salad is sounds great. But it's one of those things where I can't even picture myself having the money because it's like it would be great if I had a ton of money, but even in this hypothetical and you get caught you fucking idiot, you won't need a lot of money. But you still need a lot of money. You did not if you're listening to town in Mexico, and you're chilling out on the beach, and you're drinking, like coconut water and going surfin, you're hanging, I guess it's like what the deal proverb about the Mexican fishermen businessman comes down. It's great. So, yes, I guess it is like that, but I'd still like the most the point of the Bank robber, while I'm not I'm not going. I'm telling you right now, if something happens go your own way, because I'm not going on. You have completely you would give up in a second. You would just turn yourself deal. I wouldn't even do the robbery, I'd get in there like, wait, it's a bunch of furs and stuff. I don't know. I was just for cash. I don't want to go thirty four million in cash. Oh, thirty four million cast clusters goals and everything else. Okay. All right. Isn't really a furrier? It was underneath it. I do that. I do it was that. I thought I thought a lot of it was in cash, things like that. Cules everything. All right. Then then, then I'll tell you the cash you take the Jewish. We'll go around way. Okay. But you're definitely going on your own. I want nothing to do with your, your only holding me back. I see it. Holding everyone in my entire life. Now, we're getting to the deeper issue here, what this really is about. This is not going on the run. This is you having this. Yeah. This is therapy session baby intervention. People are going to walk through the door right now. They deal with these intervention before you out. So you saw that limp, and they're like we're getting in there. It's going off the rails. Now you have there. I mean, there a couple of like big names, this movie. Yeah. Don Johnson one. Child's Chazz Palminteri. And I was just with them with them. Yeah. We just didn't interview thing together. Like nervous is there anyone who makes you nervous on set with them like like legends. No, no, no. I get caught up sometimes. Never went them in the scene. I get caught up like after it if we're at lunch and stuff. And I'm just like, oh my God. I've seen a Bronx tale lake sixty. He's like was talking to Kaiser Sosa, and like he's usual suspects and bolts O'Brien and all that stuff. And then, you know with Don, it's that same thing with Django and even back in Miami vice, and all that. And now the watchmen and all that you just get I always think it's weird in this business like for me. I, I see people. And I'm like, oh, man. Like I've seen them so many times, and then they're in front of you and it's just odd because there's a lot of people you don't picture coming alive in your like in your dough. Joe in your realm and all that. But no never went I'm working when I'm working, I'm fortunate enough, where I could just kind of be in what I'm doing, but it's after it where I get like, is there anyone who's ever media even on where you're like fuck? I gotta bring my shit right here because I mean, this is when I was younger when I was doing Suns. I'll never forget. I was doing signs in. I still figuring it all out. And I was doing the same, Katie Ciano pay Bundy. I'll say this is so cool. He was one of those, I've seen Mary Richards and I'd be fucked up. But come on, like late at night, and I'd watch it at this is cool. This, this is just cool. Like you have that moment. But no. I didn't know even when Manson and all that. It's just like again, he's, he's more of. All right. What's your definition of like I'd be like he's, he's an actor? I also hang on, I buried the lead with this entire interview to be honest. How many ribs you got? I think he has a mall. He's got all of them. I mean that's David Bowie thing, isn't it? It was the Bowie things to that was before my time. I when I was growing up. Bowie moved onto Manson. Yeah. No, it started with Bowie really. Yeah. From what I could tell and I only know because he was pressed against me is, he seems to have them all, you know, listen definitions of normal change to. Is he normal? He's normal as someone named Marilyn Manson who's a rock singer who's been controversial and also is like a. Thing an entity can be in this world. I mean where do you go? It's like being back. Right. Rian shack, and like walking around, like how could everybody knows that you, you can't hide out? Right. So it's like I think when you're in that public eye of constant, Maryland Eminem as they call them, onset Eminem's, not hiding out anywhere. He's manson. And he's very fuck. I thought you kind of make an analogy with, like L. Mill they call them an app. That's confusing. It's very, very what if I just started calling, you, Madonna, I don't think my initials. Sure. You know, doesn't fit your Tito red Russi, and then I might be like, oh, you talking to me, but I mean Eminem Marilyn Manson. Yes. But no, I'm still ready or just Manson Manson Manson would be better. Okay. Now four or let you go, you do shitload of charity. I do. How does this with my image, you do I? Yeah. I do. I give the boys and Girls Club, a significant amount of t shirts every year to auction something about the money. But what do you do? Oh, god. This fucking over. Honestly, I tried to sign up for big brother program didn't let me know. I wouldn't let you know, we're real set pal. Thanks. What about talking to people? What about talking to younger people who maybe want to do what you wanna do and kind of giving them advice of what you've come through, and telling them not to do this, this, and this helping them guide them in the right way? Ron personalities. So wants to come, ask me sure. I'll yeah but not advice. Right. You're saying that your advice might actually make it worse for someone else. Okay. That's, that's, that's like you're going to say, I don't know anything. Yeah. I don't know. Shit is fucking this. You're winging it can you not tell? I could actually say anything, but you got the boots campaign, which is that. Yeah. And then you have you Bill, you will sandy, sandy. Yeah. The half a million dollars. Yeah. They'll be deal. No. And then you also have your evolving, pita humane society any any, any actual, anybody who's doing anything for animal welfare, or the protection of animals. I think as the animals go we go. And I just I feel like you know, at this point, if you're torturing animals, you're basically, you know, an eyelid hair away from a serial killer, you know, and that goes for in any way, I mean, where we factor in torture is like, you know, sometimes in the way we create our food, you know, obviously cosmetics all this kind of stuff. So I'm always big on like just trying to give a voice voiceless and then also, you know, just in everything we do from this thing organizations, a very special place that we help. Out people with developmentally disabled, disabilities and really kind of, you know, just trying to do too thing we put the we did a movie called bad hurt where we really would just spotlighting you know, some of the struggles and things that people don't know. And we did we raise a ton for that organization and just every day, it's like anything I can help out in any way. Now, we did a stuff with prison reform. You know, the mass bailout programs. Yes. I know I gotta stop the boys and girls following this. But no man. You know, it's like me and burnt all did the street dog campaign for rescuing street. It's just like listen, man. I at least favorite my least favorite. Like, which would you like, like I'm almost on this anything to do with celebrities anything, where celebrities are involved? No, no. I I don't you know, I at this point I don't have one. Okay. That's good. That's good. If we did something from -squitoes I'd probably be like it's terrible. I don't want to help out mosquito very fair like they're at the top of the list of archenemies. Right. We all agree. Yeah. No, there's nothing good about a mosquito. I feel like someone would like like after this airs. Well, you're never going to hear it, 'cause you're going to die. But. But on the air. Yeah, yeah. Should play. But I feel like someone will be like you guys radiance mosquitoes are very important ecosystem, one hundred or they are, but still fucking. I'm just saying it caused a lot of problems. Yeah itching, but the deuce is out tomorrow video odd volt is out tomorrow, the ready. No never will, like no. But let's say could be continuing. Yeah. Yeah. Could be forever. Volt out tomorrow video on demand. Theoretically, is deuce takes place at providence. Check it out. All right. Big, thank you to THEO. Rossi really reminds me how awesome sons of anarchy was at times it got silly, and it kinda ran onto long. But like man, I had some fucking moments dude, I it sucked. I we, we didn't get to the one not one. I want to ask him 'cause I can't even remember until after. But I, I wanted to ask him what he thought about endings 'cause I, I like the end of sons I thought it was very I think it's a controversial one. I thought sounds very good ended, I thought of half plus fucking fire. You stupid talking to you, John. There's nothing worse than missing than I remember really last night, the feeling of missing an opportunity to ask a question. I mean he was like ten minutes late. So we only had twenty so there was like stuff to get to it was like dude release, and I during the interview we talked about off off air but on camera, but I forgot to ask you about the thumb in the ask if that's the one thing I wanted to talk about it. Loose end the whole time I've looked at that gift of you getting fingered in the butt. Millions of times. And I just slipped my mind. I it's a brutal feeling. Don't be oh, you know what I did ask the Iraqis, can we get a clip of this? How many resumes Manson f he says, all of them could be in on the conspiracy? They don't know about that. I don't know about that. Let's talk to my man, Joel coin. Now, if you are into comedy and the joke, was just like basically everything we said in the beginning of this podcast. He says the opposite and he's just incredibly positive and I'll let you decide for yourself. Which I like I knew that in my life, I buy in the into the actress, and I think it's somewhere in between. Like I think that Joe Koi is extremely talented and super hardworking persistent. So when you do something that you're good after thirty years. Maybe eventually you build up the nerve to drop your life savings on it. When you're just like some schmuck out of college. I got a great idea, and I'm going to be the next billionaire flick, probably fucking not, you don't know what you're talking about yet. So he has got some stories from some A-List people and just some like some inspirational shit that, you know, if you're if you're down on all our negatively maybe Joe Coyle help pull you back up. 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Joe koi. This is sick. Yeah. It's pretty cool man. Good job, bro. Thanks, man. You to we got Joe here on radio. It's fucking do it. Let's go live. We were just talking about the bar slow glow up. But I mean glob. Israel is fucked to you're selling out some places they are hosting are, that can seat a lot of compete. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy because. Okay. So I do this thing where when I sell out of venue, and this is probably nerdy stuff. No, I don't judge me we, we just did a podcast like explaining just how nerdy, we truly are from like, are growing up days, Daljit nerd type shit. So I don't even think you can out nerd me. Go ahead. Okay. Let it fly. All right. So when I sell out, a huge number, I take the stool, absolutely not nerdy, but you probably awesome. Because a lot of people think like even my sister's like another one Joe every single spot. Yes. Trophy to take home. It is. And then it's a reminder and everything. So I have like some legendary stools number one. I really the one that I always wanted was. Colli. Yeah. I always wanted to watch him. Yeah. And I got it. I got the stool in and I went in because I sold over twenty thousand tickets. Yes. Yo Koi got it like that. Yeah. I thought we were talking like five thousand you're doing twenty grant. Yeah. Yeah, it was about twenty two thousand thing nerdy about this. About and don't, and don't you dare come in here be like, wow, you guys are doing so great. I'm jealous fuck you Joe. I retreat spots at you in a heartbeat. You're selling twenty grand. Yeah. It was twenty. It was that was the first time twenty two thousand and then the second one was close to like twenty three twenty four. So five ain't nothing to you. Now. You're like you go live is like crazy. Because I did you know, doing like five thousand seaters like in middle America, like lightning, Mike outskirt areas that, that, like, no, it will think about going to like, Fresno or respite, which I'm like, why don't you go there to those markets. That's those are the people who you those people entering you want to hundred fifty dollars or let we live in fucking Fresno to do we have a sonic burger at you. To twenty I mean, I thought that, you know, like the Chris rocks and like the fucking top top twenty thousand for you. You're like the biggest in the game man. No, I'm not to be come on. You're doing numbers like that. Yeah. The numbers are ridiculous. Yes, it's just crazy. You just tapped into that Asian market manage billions of you. So funny, I, I love that you said that too because fate God for that demographic, you don't don't, don't get me wrong. I still have that other demographic. That comes when I go to Nashville, there's no Asians come, but I'm still filling out the theater, and then when I go to Jacksonville, Florida, no, as many as there now it's like and it hits you right in the face. I'll do the state where I sat up Filipino people and it's like, oh. Hello. It's me, your long lost on. As the Ayrshire. Thank you. Forgive me shout out. That's kind of cool. Yeah. Very well beyond it, but. Thank you. I mean so so you're rich stop. Come on your Brits. Don't get humble. Yeah. Yeah. And now you got the special which is like, I feel like you know, the pinnacle right now is a Netflix special, did I tell you last time that they give me the special. No, I didn't tell you. I don't think so. Stop it. I didn't. So the first specialty give me meaning what? So you don't have special it's called live from Seattle, but they, they didn't give me that special. Netflix said, no to be okay. They said no like three times. I kept asking him to come watch we. And then finally the third time they were like, hey, look, we're we're booked. We got all our standard specials for the rest of the year. So we're gonna go and pass it. Hopefully, we'll see next year and see, maybe the following year after that, we'll, we'll give you. So basically, they were like no. You know what I mean for the next three years? No. So I, I went shot at myself. Hell. Yeah. Yeah. I everything Seattle, I shot that Seattle because I'm from Tacoma, the board theater da. That's where Pearl Jam shot. Their video I had to do it there, though. Of and I shot it myself every single penny. Would you see that title executive producer that was be that was one hundred percent me? So I took the full on risk. I tell the story. I'll wait. What is now on? Netflix will I took the full hour. Like I when I was performing one I do that. It was going to come out of my pocket every day I was broke after that. And then can I ask you how much it cost? Oh, I don't want to tell it. Got to keep my hand. But, but, but I'll tell you this onstage. I I'm smiling laughing, but in my head, I'm like dude, the person I'm going to sell this to already said. No. Yeah. So if you could imagine the pressure. And then when I got off stage, we, we literally just like we were hugging each other be my manager. My agent. We were just hugging because we do we had something great. But now, we just had to sell it to the person that said, no and it took a while. But they finally said, so they bought it. They bought it as an original. It's done by the streaming content thing. They as we own it. We produced. And it's Netflix. That is one of the best like betting on yourself stories in my life. Tell me like everything, you know, when you're broke after doing something, it's like this better work. Yeah. And in you are going up there. It's not like a business idea or a piece of technology or something. It's like I might be funny or I might I might not like. No, I couldn't that night. Oh had an off night. What would you do? What we do. I probably would've killed I had all I would I would kill you for you. Yeah. Saying, I just put all my money into it in my bomb, they'll kill you for. Yeah. I'm not going to befriend, right? Fake god. There were, you know what's crazy? It was supposed to rain like heavy rain. It was Seattle and we had a line wrapped around the building for the second show. They had to wait until the first show is out. And all I kept thinking about is I'm going to have a wet audience with the second show. So I won't be able to splice together. Oh. Oh. Four vote. Yeah. Yeah. And the sun came out like it was everything was hit by favorability. No gods. Yeah. How confident were you though, like in your material and your ability at that point? Well, why do I had it? Yes. So going into it like yet, you're saying, oh my God, I it, but you knew you were going to I do that was the set man. That's why I was like, I was so hurt that they said no to it because it no disrespect. Like they're supposed to say, though, that's their job. You know what I mean? They, they don't they want I just had to prove to them that this is what they should get. I had a lot of friends, a lot of friends that had specials that year. And I just remember thinking to myself, like I deserve one over this deal. Yeah, don't disrespect I left all my friends, but I was just like thirty games thirty years in like at my content is great like Meshal good. So I had to shoot it that I mean. The word special. It's supposed to be special, right? And they're not they're not so special. Sometimes, when, when you see some of the names, that are getting them or some of the platforms that they're on. Yeah. But was there any was Ernie? Grudge was anybody who's ever come on? Like fuck you Netflix. I'm gonna go to Amazon or something like I coulda went that way, I really couldn't. Because the deal was there. There was people that were like bathing me. They really, hey, come here. But I didn't want it, man. I wanted Netflix. That's why I said, I mean, I had how I opened up it said the Netflix special right now is, you know, at the moment at least the holy grail right now. We're really is. You get that front. You get that front. You know, when you just open up net flicks, someone's gonna browse, and it's just like bam up there that is priceless. Bam. It's still it's Babchuk OI. It Belania TV it's Pam. Joe koi. Everyone TV bam. Joe coy in Singapore iphone. It's like they really pushed the product and they believe in the product. That's what I love about Netflix. I was at Times Square, Kevin and shot four. That's like Joe Koy one hundred feet by one hundred feet. Yeah. Your big ugly mug on that Libro all the head bald ahead of a football field man neck fully for my chin now. You look good dude. Don't even you do a good part of it this part of it. Man. You guys get up there. You got your swagger. You got your look feel it and it's all part of the package. That is such a what the fuck is. That. Yeah, that's, that's the bait. That's been, there's like a earthquake going on here parcel HQ, that is the weirdest sound because it went for the hallway and it completely underneath us. It was like a subway underneath. That man, I that is really one of the best stories of comedy success, I've ever heard. I just I so we just we just booked a spot. We booked a date. I'm going to announce like all the details later. We did a show probably two years ago now at the Wilbur and got that. We're not. Yeah. That's a good one to have. I mean we saw we're not stand up comedians. We, you know. We're, we're doing a live podcast. Yes. So like the Wilbur is, that's a stool for stand up comedian, I was humbled even be in that arena and that in that venue. And then we just the show shook up a little bit. And we just haven't gotten back on stage and it's really just because of me just kind of being a pussy about it. I just I'm not truly a stand up comedian. And, and I think people at this point when you like a podcast, you'll go to just literally watch the recording on the podcast. I want it to be something a little better than that. An actual, you know event. I mean are you talking about doing standard? Where are you going to us? We're going to do a it's like I don't want to say a live podcast, you'll walk out, do some time. And then start the pot is that. Yeah, I'm thinking about maybe incorporating some video picture up on a screen more just like a live experience. That's kind of thing is like I can't do stand up comedy. But I can do this podcast thing and I kind of want to hopefully come up with my own type of show. I'd like to dope girls kind of do it already. They have a big set of stage and they're kinda just conversational. A couple of people out there doing something similar, but I kinda would hope that I can come up with this, hybrid idea, but it really has just been nerve wracking for me to to go out there and do it. Because as good as whatever level of success, I've achieved in this getting on stage for me is a totally different animal. Oh, you would crush it in LA that bad, you're gonna love you. Gotta love the payoff. Really are ro I'm not gonna lie. Is that? Ask you ask any any entertainer? It's like they, they love the stage because one, it's fun to engage in here. The 'obedient respond. You know what you really see. That's the that's the rub. That's where I think about almost as a negative from like, you know, if I tell we tell a good story in the podcast and engaging conversation. That's an entertaining podcast. You do that on stage or at a comedy club and people might be like, oh, that was good. But they're not like laughing at loud, the whole time I feel like when I'm on stage it's supposed to be like laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh. Don't get that immediate reaction. I'm like, oh shit. Oh shit. This isn't going well against my own Ed. I think you should get your head because they already know the product. I know people keep reminding me I like if they're there and they're paying money for it. They like you like you. Thing. And they're just excited to see it witness this live. Yeah. That'd get over that. Yeah. Get over that. And then I really enjoy. The ticket sales. Is that is that sound rude? I don't want anyone like that either, but I- dollar signs fuck you guys. Got also remember, like we invested our lives. Well, so that's the thing. I mean you said you're thirty years, deep. Yeah, this August from, you'll be ten years September thirty years for me, so that's a big difference. So thirty versus ten in, especially when most of for me is the written word and just kind of doing radio. So part of it. You know, a lot of times I talked to Josh Wolff, and I talked we've been very blessed with a lot of the community stand up comedian guests we've got in the past year, eighteen months. And a lot of these guys, I get to know one, they're like, do it, man. You could do it. I'm like you got something that you realize you know what it is? You do. I think what you guys do is like quite possibly the most difficult thing in the world. And here's the thing, I'm gonna agree with you one hundred percent and one not that, like you know, you can do it. It's like thirty years of practice and work, and putting your money into it, blood sweat, and tears bombing. You know, all of that you gotta silence. 'cause here's another thing there's silence. Then there's bombing. There's two different things. There's bombing where you're just not. Good. And they're not laughing okay? Then their silence where you have to also train yourself to be like, hey. They're listening, okay? We're here for the ride interesting. You gotta really under. It can be a positive silence. And I'm going to give a shout out to a a very old school comic. But still the game Joe Torry. He took over more Lord spot when he would Martin Lawrence left def jam Joe Torre became the host, and I was doing a show at the comedy store and I went up before him. And, and it was just my, my thing, just like what you're saying. I gotta get I have I have to happen applause break, every, every everything. Yeah. It's gotta be, you know, beat no be just go to the meat no fat. That's what I've been no fat go to the, and then I got off stage think if he was gonna give me like a huge hug, light yellow, man. How'd you do that? That was great. And it said he was like, and it was great. But sometimes you want to crowd, the here you, man. Like, are they really listening to you? Right. He was still be scared a silence. He and that was how he ended it and it was a great compliment, but it was also like a life lesson because that's that's the day. I was like, yeah, man. Sometimes you gotta sit back and just enjoy what you're telling. Yeah. These people because it really. They're on the bus ride with you, bro, right? Yeah. Don't remember that. You, you don't have to be you're already funny. The brand is funny, Kevin is hysterical. This is a fun show. So but you also have to remember that when they're listening to your pod. There's those moments where it's quiet. And they're right, right. You're still there. For ninety minutes with you. Right. So that's how it's going to be live. So you gotta just to the silence, don't, don't think that because it silence arm sucking up here because it's going to mess you up, as it's going to mess up your organic. UB you start becoming another person. Right. Which is not now you can't force. I've always said that, like the I realized quickly early on. I can in this game in general, whatever live writing blogging podcasts whatever I'm just going to be myself. Yes. And that's working right now. Yeah. And if ever a day comes where it changes, and that's not working like Soviet. Th that's the day that, like, yeah, I flame out because I can't I can't act a can't beat something different. So if all of a sudden the world, and we've kind of seen this, have you have you changed your comedy at all, as you know, the political landscape and the social landscape and people, you can't say this, or you like have you would just it or take out some Joe, it's still funny, because I'm such a storyteller I happen to. That's why it's like when I get like a TV spot or something like that. Publicist comes with a TV spot. And it's like I'll go in. I'll go to the clubs at work on that five minutes set. But it's like the thing is I'm not a joke, joke TV set guy. I'm a storyteller. And each joke is probably about ten to fifteen minutes, lost the way to beat us, the vast. Man. I feel like that's that's what I would aspire to be where you're along for the ride you listening because it would be a big payoff at the end Zach. It could be interesting could be happy could be sad. You know, whole tale that goes along with it. Yeah. That's what I love about comedy. There's nobody genres. There's raptors country. There's pop. It'll be there's it's the same thing with comedy. I don't know why people think comedy is the same genre. It's not like people like what are you gonna talk about Trump because I. Cloudera talking about Trump. Does. Why don't you ask Kobe while he's not talking about his fatally like, yeah. It's two different things ask why he does have a puppet on his lap. Right. It's the same question. Right. There's so many John genres, like don't don't hate on a comic for doing what he loves to do, and that's his passion. He's doing so that he loves to do creatively and you should you should applaud that right? L. Yeah. Like that. That's why it's like when I hear that when people go, what do you do the political stuff for what are you gonna love? What do you do? I think if there's one thing that people should never criticize or speak on tell you what to do. It's stand up comedy unless you can do it, unless you're talking to a fellow comedian, you know, then then sure you listen to Joe Torry or whoever else has some advice or something to say, but it is the number one in my mind aside from like going to war. Yeah. Been through it. Don't fuck and talk about it. Tell me about to not critique or judge me if you've never been through the to the through the whole the fire we have to. Follow a Chris rock or or or, or introduce a Robin Williams. Like, if I can only explain to you that, that type of feeling you know, it's so funny because I've never seen fame before I saw Robin Williams go up the same as Chris rock. I never seen fame, before, like that, that was the best description of fame I've ever seen. And for me to be on that stage, it's still try maintain my composure, and still, try be funny that night, which is stupid for me to even do I should've just throw in the towel. There's a reason why you were there. Oh, yeah. It was the best day of my life to see Chris rock go up. Well, I've seen Chris go put to share the stage but not only that, introduce Chris, as it see that level of fame just people going crazy like going crazy, like standing up. They wouldn't sit down. He added tell him to sit down, and I'm like, yo it can't get any better than like I said that to sag it. Bob sag. Bob comes on your show. He's, he's been yeah. He's, he's Bob was there. And then. Here comes Robin Williams. And if you thought Chris was famous bro. It was like you. I, I literally saw first hand it, don't get me wrong Chris famous, it was huge the ovation but bro with Robinson lately. Yeah. Like the roof exploded, bro. I believe that ran up to the SeaScape zero fucks with the phone and just started taking it like she didn't give a shit. Like, I can't believe this abbot I have to take this federal. Yeah. That's like that's like that's like, Michael Jackson Britney, Spears type. Can't go outside your fucking house. Yeah. There's payments, and then there's like, I need body, double shit. Yeah. Exactly. Imagine the rush that you feel. And I guess what I was trying to say with that is just, like, just also being able to humble yourself and also like, like what do you do that night? Not what to pressure that, isn't it? Yeah, it's kind of what you do. When you Robin Williams house, rock, when it's like, like, because that's a humbling moment for you. Like you can't be humbled anymore. When, when you read, you know what I mean? Like, I guess, there's almost always somebody that you can look up to and say, well, I got it like that. When you're Robin Williams, arguably, there's not someone ahead. Yeah. That you can point to yeah, it's like comedies army. Evolving watch. Well, first of all, how many times I watched bring the pain of million times, how many times that I watched live from the met how you watch comic relief? It's like like these were the these two guys on stage of the reason why I do stand up I lived in breathe in here. I am sharing the stage with them. And I just remember when I got off stage, I called baba because Bob he you know, he was on the side at Bob goes. Hey, bring me up because I want to bring up Robin, and I remember my heart was crushed. Yeah. Say no to bother. You gotta read. This is like fifteen years ago. Something like that this way back when I was like, like the new guy at the laugh factory. And I mean, I yeah. Those guys they would they say goes, yeah. Whatever they say, it's their house, and I go Bob really. He goes up aren't cool. And I go. Hey, everybody bought Bob Sega. So Paul went up. They rip for awhile, and then Bob came off stage and I hugged them. And I was like this is great. He was like, yeah. This is amazing. I can't believe this happening like he was even excited. Yeah. Robert said good night, and he walked off stage and I remember looking at of and I go I really wanted to bring you up as I was passing him. And I hugged him I go, I really, really wanted to bring you up Robin, and but thank you for coming in, and then I went onstage. Woo hoo. What are you talking about here? Let's go all stand up. You did you bring me up, and he may be brave. It was the call thing reintroduced he came out, and that we rift for like five minutes. Be go back and forth. I wish there was video man. I wish you know where where was this? That was then you'll laugh factory God. Well, the best night's in my life, that's like, you know, that's like having a catch with Babe Ruth or shooting hoops with Jordan or something like that. Like I use you we riff on stage. Yeah, I think there's just something about, like took a pitch. Then I started jump on. No, no. But I want this, this story. Distorted becoming more was even more. It was even crazier because his car got towed, and I thought that was the craze while he was like, yeah, he drove a Toyota Prius. No. And he parked in front of the laugh actor and they tote it and I was like, no one you watched this bit car. You gotta put like your license plate needs to say, like Robin Williams. Yeah. Something or put a sticker out there outside the laugh Robin Williams car. You don't fucking touch you don't touch this. This is Hollywood. This is. Yeah. Touch. It was like. He was like, oh my God. And I was just. It went pro the king to, like just another person. I gotta get my car like he's gonna have to go to the impound those assholes pay the money. That's very right. There's something about the stand up comedy where although it's like I think that's why it works. Yeah. That's why you get to that level. It's like just the Corky like yeah. You drive a Toyota Prius for some reason. Yeah, and you got to go to the impound, and that's probably going to be in his next set. You know, there's something to the especially as a storyteller your like your, your life being your material. Yeah. I always thought like that was nerve wracking for me. I guess what I'm learning here is I tend to be nervous about all these things rather than embracing them. But, like what if you know what I used to be single and I was partying, and like out and about and meeting people and even just physically, like I'm commuting every day. And I'm doing so I have stories. Yeah. Currying. Yeah. And they get married have kids, and it's like, you know, my life is just back and forth. Yes. And it's, it's different stories. But has like one of my life is like less interesting. I don't have any. Yeah, I. Is what I'm realizing is that it's like no matter what walk of life. There's the corks of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's all relatable. No. It'll be. So that's what I love the most about. I just for by AOL built. Right. And they opened up the floor for questions. And there was this black gentleman that stubby goes hand, huge fan and to the point where my wife and I watch your special all the time and every time we mess up. She goes, are you kidding me? And that's my mom bid. And that, that's what I that's what I love the both. Is that here's a black man that relates to my mom, right? Where everyone thinks is oh, you won't get it, because she's Filipino so that does it really does everybody help everyone has that mom, my mom curses, which she gets mad at me. And I'm pretty sure there's other guys out there that have a mom that talks so that way. And they and they relate, and that they generally Tbilisi when you hit a moment or a joke, or a story where, you know, everyone's going up. Yes. So good. It feels so good. Are you do you subscribe to the idea that you need to, like, have gone through some, some bad shit and dark shit? Some heavy shit to really as a stand up comedian like excel. I think okay. So, you know, I hear that a lot like there's a lot of, you know, there's closet deep secrets, you know what I mean. This is do went through some shit for that style of comedy. Yeah. But I also feel like. There. You know, even though the storytellers or, or, or whatever it is, for some reason we gravitate towards that outlet. Yeah. Because we also keep a lot of stuff inside and for the let it out. We want it to be funny. We use the stage to let that stuff out. You have to get therapy set into therapy sessions and it really is. That's why when I did that joke about, you know, my sister getting kicked out at seventeen and I do this joke on life from Seattle, where I you know, I help my mom was describing her. Oh, you're not going out with friends. You're just keeping your peck peck away. Search throwing like. You know what I mean? Like I made that situation funny, but I remember doing that for my sister, and my mom at Vegas when I performed it because I was so nervous to do it because it was a real situation. Right. And I was like, are they going to get offended? Are they gonna tell me no? Like associate ever clear that kind of stuff, would you ever clear that with them for, as like? Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why did it in front of them because if my sister would have came back and go, hey, that's not cool. Like I would have dropped the job. But they both were like that was funny. Yeah. And it takes a supportive, family and friends, I think, too, when you're that comedy world. Yeah. There are times on the podcast and I'm not like outing anybody ever. But it's like hope you don't mind if I said that because because I know Al fucking funny is. Actually, I got goddamn slave to the joke or the laugh. Whatever it's that is that is the funniest stuff to me is the real life relate abilities to I also have to, like, bring it back, some because when I did that joke about my sister, getting kicked out of like you. I want to give the rawness of it, but I also want to make sure that it's like I'm not like gonna put all of it out there. You know what I mean? I remember when I got off stage at Vegas and my sister literally walked up to me, and she goes, you know, that's not how really out, right? Like she like, first of all, I'm not gonna tell why you got kicked out. But what yo-you don't I gotta I gotta get gotta make it a little G rated, I don't want to put it all out there. Right. So like my sister was only upset because she wanted everyone to be on her side, not my side like you know, it was bumped Falk right? Like basically Televisa like, yeah, but you know why he this shit on mum? Because I did just move out. Because I got my period. I thought it was a woman okay like motza bits and I'm like, no, I'm going to say that, like everyone knows bomb. A fuck it to seven story, man. My sister was like yo you need like really ringer out, really. Tell everyone why. Okay, why did I graduate, not living at ho- flyer is with senior? It's you know what? Maybe maybe it's not a dark story or a deep dark secret. But it is stories like that, where like there's gotta be a little drama. They've got to be a little some. Yeah. It was just like, you know, vanilla, yes. I'm gonna play 'cause I was really I was really scared to do that joke because of two things one, because I make my mom out to be just like this hardnosed. But yet loving lady, but then I'm going to talk about her it her daughters out at seventeen I could easily just like break that, that, that character, you know, people will be like turn against right. That's fucked up your mom. There's something wrong with your mom, right? It was two daughters. Right. Like I can understand. It was the first daughter. She. She. What the fuck mom goes hard, the app, I'm gonna go hard in the pain hard. She's Charles Barkley, my mom wore the number thirty four. Her whole life, the round mound rebound. God, Zillow the only thing that get back down. I love it, man. That is I that, that whole that whole I feel like everybody who's been in the game as long as you have as you've been talented enough and blessed enough to have longevity. You just come across some stories. Yeah. Because I think that, that is, maybe it's because a place like the laugh factory where it's like, you know, it could be a little hole in the wall that you'll still get people popping in. That's my favorite. Yeah. It's like when you hear, you know, Chapelle just popped up out of nowhere during his hiatus addiction. Right. There's, there's a reason behind that, man. Like, you know, when you sell out an arena. Holy shit. This is amazing. I can't believe this is happening. And then and then there's like y'all wonder what this copy houses. It's so scary. Yeah. You are six leave or a comics. Yeah. Would you rather do that or low? Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I love it, man. When I was practicing my court set. There's this thing called the lab at the improv, which is basically the bar, they turned the bar into a comedy club. And, and there's literally like six seven people, and they're not even sitting next to each other. It's literally, like the furthest taste, aren't they all laugh at the same time. It doesn't even matter. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the best place to work it out. I think you're getting a genuine laugh, right? They're not there because of your fans they had no idea you're there and actually to be on. They don't even know who you are right. Yeah, we're here for beer. Yeah. You're actually just bothering me. We were shopping, and we wanted to beer. Dude. Incredible stuff man, that is. I think you should do it. Can now. I mean, we're definitely gonna do it. We're locked in now, I said, I'm going to give all the details have you have you been? No, that's the thing is that like this is our first, you know, getting back into it. So. Yeah. You know, it's going to be a work in progress, and it's got of be, like those, those people who come to that first show or like, you know, the realist of the real frost, like they are so down with it that, you know, those would be the people. We kinda groom it with and see if my this whole idea of coming up with like a hybrid show worked, but you're such a good talker. So my only suggestion for you, if you wanna like slowly get into it is open up the floor, bro. Thanks. Yeah. Like a lot like a lot of comics, it'd be like, don't do that. Because that's like that's like feeding the lions I mean, whenever you give the okay, whatever you give the audience opportunity to, to, to what you give them a voice, you have to be like, the conductor. You gotta be able to control that voice. That's another skill set. Yeah. So that's the only thing I gotta warn you about it. It's like, once you open up that floor your control. The power you've literally said, hey guys, the stages open. Yeah. Everyone joining right. Go ahead. So that's the only thing. But you're so good at just conversating coming up with stuff like the way, we talk, you'll be able to do that with, with your audience, and they'll respect it too, because it's your fan base. That's, that's the cool thing about you, man. You already have an established fan base. I think also when I see crowd work being done, whether it's, you know, busting their balls or something like that, where, you know can't be planned and it's not rehearsed and it's not, you know. Yeah. Did or whatever. That's right. Feel like you know the funniest can shine through. So I mean, I hope I can I can see this guy. Got it. It'd be doing joke. Coin numbers one leading goal. I remember when I was at the Seattle Colosio and I was watching Eddie Murphy. I was fifteen years old. But my I took my mom's credit card and bought the tickets on the phone TicketMaster. There was no internet right lie. It sound like a woman on the phone. I was fifteenth. So my my boy. Yeah. Tickets came in the mail, I think, and then my mom drove me to Seattle. The key will they call it keyarena now. But back in the day it was called the Seattle Coliseum and I remember city I was thirteen rose from the stage and it was the craziest thing, and I remember sitting there and looking up into the stands and going to this bitch is sell this place out. Like did he sell it out? Like have you seen raw? Yeah. I mean okay. So, you know, the part where it's red the red screen, and he has his hand up. You say the pizza that there was three of those on stage. So there was one dead center. And then there was two on the sides. Right. And it was what happened is it was. It was a montage of everything that he's done. It was just all his greatest hits from yuppie, too, but we to come into not coming to America. I think it was like forty eight hours and Beverly Hills cop at all just the best highlights. And then it started moving fast and like just click click click at bam. Read him. Yeah. It was him. Rosie that's stuff that to me is low. Yeah. Oh man. And he stood there bad. He today soaked it in, man. Cogan shit. I got here. Yeah. And the crowd was standing, we were going crazy. I remember looking at my friend. Hey, sports moment. You know, it's like hitting a walk off thrown a touchdown. Yeah. Dude. And then it slowly came up, and that he walked at grab that Mike and I just remember. Holy shit too. I wanna be that guy. Oh man. Before that with that, who. Yeah, but guess what did you are that dude? Thank you. Twenty grand. That's crazy, wild Shipman. So would the specials out the specials Astles out coveted hot? And honestly, I think if you, if you listen to this, and then you go, watch it knowing that you like took your balls, and your money through it on the table, and that it was all or nothing sort of all in risk. I think it's that much better. What's crazy, though, that story is actually live from Seattle. Okay. The first special this what they gave me this was just cake. But they still gave me the money to produce it. So that's trust. Right. Again. It was like it was even more stress and the salt and pepper. Got a nice. Look go don't man, don't even coming in hot. It's out right now that watches, everything, though. Yeah. I love it. Great. Congratulates this time. All time type of success. Right. I love you.

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Bunkercast XXIV: Odell Trade?

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Bunkercast XXIV: Odell Trade?

"Hello everybody today's episode of the around the NFL. Podcast is presented by rocket mortgage join rocket mortgage and saying thank you to essential workers by posting a video to everyone knows a hero dot com. Everyone knows a hero dot com. All right let's get to the Wednesday show and the NFL podcast warranty g jokes most. Welcome to another edition of the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan. I'm coming to you from a city filled with heroes in Barker's Mark Sesser for his link and Greg Rosenthal what is boys. Hey Hey everybody doing. It's Hump Day. Update a quarantine. Nothing worse than our world has ever happened. Nice out there here in southern California it is starting to really get to me Though this the snow sports thing and not a big college sports guys of March Madness. I you know that was an excitement. That was lost Other people that was a much bigger hit. I get that Nba that stinks. But the the Knicks. Being terrible has taken me out of. League a little bit until playoff time but not having my Yankees and I think there's a lot of people out here like the Masters and people that are big baseball fans and hockey would be getting hot right now for me. It's starting to like. I'm feeling that it's like where are my sports? I'm I'm talking to you guys right now because I fell in love with sports and I was young so this idea that they gone now and it's becoming just part of the world. I'm not used to it in fact it starting the H. is getting harder to scratch. It's right in the center of the back. Yeah I had football or a baseball was my first love and and I was obsessed with it most of my life. I got back into it a few years ago at the reds and they've been keeping me sane baseball's every day and you get used to that for one hundred and sixty two straight days. Get one day off a week. Maybe but there every day and it's for the first time in our lives except for the ninety four ninety five strike. It's not there I had sort of. I was excited for the reds for the first time in a while that they might actually reward my faith and loyalty and and have a good season and I have a mental block on baseball. I just won't even allow my mind to go there because I was so excited for this season and now I just don't think it's happening this summer at all. I hear you guys. I mean I don't I openly? Don't track baseball or or really any sports outside of football the same way you guys but I don't say that cynically. I think that I've got in my own friend group five or six guys who are lean on sports to de stress in to connect with something and to simply sit back and enjoy and it's been replaced with nothing. I'm out I'm at the point where I don't care what Netflix show You are obsessed with undone with Netflix. I'm kind of done with movies. I'm looking at the books on bookshelves and being done with books. There's too much time to inhale. Content and at least sports are highly unpredictable In a two or three hour time capsule and I think that's really missed with with baseball. I think damaged probably back me up on this. It's not even just watching the Games every day. It's sort of the stories in the soap operas that you get into like so and so is having a bad year. We need to see him benched. Or this guy's really hot at triple A. Let's bring him up to the majors. He's the solution to all our problems. And it's that day to day sort of soap opera that you get into and it keeps your mind busy and I miss that. I'm getting caught up in the particulars of a season. I like being in that. Intergroup that follows the season closely. And I'm reading all the the fan blogs and The the beat writers just completely. It's it's a release for me Baseball season as a daily exercise just the NBA season or hockey or these other sports that are gone are for other people. So that's the new normal. We are in right now where it doesn't exist from Greg are hot. Governor Gavin newsom This came today. I believe or maybe yesterday. He called sports and other large events. Unlikely this Summer California. Here's the quote. The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and get to a vaccine. So that's a little bit foreboding and we're GonNa get to a just a minute or so in the news About the idea of all what does this mean for the NFL because the way this all broke schedule is our timing wise for the NFL. It left Football in the clear for the time being. But you know how this is GonNa be. It's GONNA sneak up on everybody unless this thing makes a hard left turn and wearing the clear the NFL is GonNa face Issues just the way these other sports have the I think as this has gone on the reality of how long it's GonNa take is setting in and you guys mentioned like the Baseball Season Sports Jenner. I feel like our job on. Some level is just like to help distract people from you. Know the reality that they're gonNA die someday like that's that's what sports is. And now you've got none of that. And when you sign up Greg instead of like being distracted from that I think people are facing that right in the mirror and we thought we had the perfect timing with football and everything but in we'll get to it in the news just like the bay area you know. I think it's like the Sports Commissioner the Health Commissioner there. He's saying like we're making decisions. When people are back in stadiums it's not gonna be the president or the Commissioners of Sports Leagues in. Maybe there's GonNa be a push-and-pull at that but you realize like it's not as easy as just like okay. They'll be back in September. What was that? Take that sports distract us from the fact that we're going to die. Well I think most true think most every little a little more on that you don't just gloss over okay Well I think most every sort of like you know light. Entertainment is yeah on some level of a distraction from there. You know. We're all on this earth and eventually we won't be any more guest. Is it finally happening? Lets you gotta you gotTA use your time up kind of like getting distracted from that? A cornerstone of depression is dealing with the fact that. We're all GONNA die. Cornerstone of mental illness. Is that despair in anything that can take your mind off of it is valuable. I think could be okay thing like being aware of that. That means you're GonNa you you make sure to enjoy the time that you have and for me. That's like watching covering sports dive deep and I'm not just I'm not disagreeing with you per se but if that's the reason I watch sports is buried way way in the back of my car. That's not that means it's working one thing maybe one thing with having young children to when you have a five year old or four year old in that range when they start asking they start to understand the the notion of death they start asking some questions that are difficult to answer and flooding around Hands this manner for about a month or two now without on top of it and am I going to die my five year old asking. Are You old? I don't want you to get old. I'm never going to get old. You're not GonNa die the stuff like that Mo- well. How do you handle this? Most of Walker's biggest fear is there are about that we were just talking about it. Because I mentioned we're GonNa talk about Willie Davis the packers great. Who passed away and they asked me about that because I was looking up some stuff in a book and he happened to pass away in Santa Monica and they were just like where does he go after the hospital as like well either go. Zeno in the ground or they burn them up and put them in a can be expected to get into this news brief but I just said heaven but you could give them the literal breakdown of what happens go by Senate before because we go swimming near a cemetery the s what that is I tell them you know West. That is something you know. Two Little Toddler Corpse Talk. Maybe get on it the speech. I didn't really say that that part of it I was making too. We might talk about spreading ashes somewhere over the ocean. But I don't know about a can and son make sure you use a good crematorium. You don't want chunking one. I didn't I didn't really Yes let's do some news to spice it up here. At Casa Del slayer today. Is Your Day about thirty. Five minutes for the show is scheduled to start Erica. We have a news drop yet. She said nothing yet. You know waited one two three beats and then I was like okay. Here it comes. Maybe we'll use something for my new viral video that I put out. Okay well you know it's important because it's it's the first time in at least like four or five days. The Eric has repeatedly asked us to tweet something. So it's like a five second time you've exaggerated mash tweet ricky. Tell us about that video because it's getting some love it's getting some pop on social. Yeah it's doing pretty well. We just did a quarantine. Uniform reveal the browns released? There's Today we actually had this video done last week but we wanted to release it when the browns did so. It kind of matched the peak. That's social for you greg. And you know it's just funny that they do these dumb hip hop videos like revealing the the uniform. So we're like why don't we do? What our quarantine uniform like mark. Do you have a problem with ricky using the back of your favorite teams uniform reveal to launch a viral content. Then maybe steal the spotlight a little bit from Brown's not overtly because if I suggest any sort of anti ricky narrative attached to this what will happen is on our our instagram page. My image appear for the next two or three months. It'll be all Dan and greg and it'll probably take place on twitter and other platforms that Bob very much about this done and ricky can overtake our instagram page. With images of none of us all for friends. Why not go for it? Well LAKISHA call me and Jan slater their friends of the show so they are very audio video. West West had some great camerawork. All right good in every every once in a while you could tell there's GonNa be a little the assess learn edged to the show and I think we got the edge today looking forward to it. I'm barely spoken in the show so far. I mentioned I've mentioned that. We talk a little bit more about what's going on with sports going forward. Will we have any type of sporting calendar in two thousand twenty As cove nineteen turns everything in the world upside down? It's time for our first appearance from Dr Anthony Foul. Ci WE LOVE THIS. Guy Tony Voucher. It's the Guy That colleen is fallen for. She said it as much last week show. He's the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. And he's a member of trump's White House corona task force and. He's a guy that a lot of people Are Trusting in this time to give us Smart sensible Medically based and based on science input on what's going on with this terrible cove in nineteen in the corona virus. He also has a debunking. The Myth that five G. Lowers Immunity Two Krona virus. Which is all good stuff. We need somebody out there to say. You know your cell phone bars. Aren't going to give you a corona virus vouchers. Just an example of why. He's such a sudden in this situation right mark. I think he's doing a great job and he's doing with people around him. That might not be a direct allies. So it's there's an there's an element of bravery to sane. What's on his mind? How he feels. Yes thoug- was on good luck America. What that is but a man by the name of Peter Hamby interviewed algae and he he asked Ouchi when we might expect to see sports again. Baseball football everything else. Here's a foul. She had to say this way of doing and nobody comes to the stadium. Put them in big hotels. Wherever you WANNA play. Keep them very well. Surveilled a surveillance but have them tested like every week and make sure they don't wind up infecting each other or their family and just let them play the season. Ricky do put that music under there now cow so yeah again it seems far off but since we have no way of knowing how long this is going to linger and and when it comes to a vaccine or this idea when we know that everybody's safe if feels like the NFL will be affected and perhaps seriously by the time. August and September rolls around. I feel like since I was a child every sports publication every few years you would see predictions for the future and one of the predictions was always like at some point before you die. Sports will transition fully television or Internet and there will be nobody in the stadiums and it always seemed joyless and sterile to me. And it's not something I really have interest in it. I kind of see what you're saying. I'm with West a little bit on that. I I understand where you're coming from absolutely but let's say you have the option of having a half a red season but it's without fans. Are you going to watch it? You'RE GONNA WANNA know. I've checked out for seasons at a time before even with fans I'd rather read a book or study the history of of baseball. I just. That's not for me and it's easy to say that now. Maybe if we maybe if it goes on for a long time and I'm I pine for it may maybe but it's just not something that interests me i. Well I'll say this was since it's so unprecedented. I don't think you're you're saying that now is totally fair because you can only say how you feel in the moment if the game started and let's say the reds are twenty games over five hundred and the product was the same for the most part. It's guys playing at the top level of the sport against each other and you kind of get used to the lack of noise. I know that will take a while for all of us. Have it happened but I feel like I would be able to get into it if the if the product on the field was still good and that didn't feel like it was compromised. That to me is the biggest thing. That's that's a fairy tour. I think you know if the reds were twenty games over five hundred. I'd probably check to see if hell froze over. I might get swept up in whatever fever that caused man. This is weird. It's crazy I mean the the guy mentioned early was actually the the Santa Clara. What is the Chief Executive for Santa Clara County? Who set thought it'd be a major miracle for the NFL season to start on time now. I'm sure there's people within the NFL that feel feel differently. And they're in the governor's going to have his say on as you mentioned but these are not events that are just taking place in a vacuum people are traveling for these events who knows what the travel restrictions are going to be in terms of like traveling across states. Who who knows at that point like I kind of figured when this all started okay will will we have enough time before the NFL season? But I think it's pretty safe to say that Whatever world were returning to is going to be different for a while? Maybe until there's a vaccine. Yeah I'm with YOU GREG. I think right now. It's a wish it's a nice wish we would wish that the NFL season would start on time and you can continue to beat the drums of. We're going to aim for sixteen games. We're going to aim for all of this and maybe fane free venues I'm fine with. I would say this if the Brown season started today I would check in because why wouldn't I what it what. What better do I have to do during big chunks of this And beyond it it being our employment but it would matter. What's happening around sports? I personally just personally would struggle to fall into pockets of distraction and delight around the stadium. Free football game. If the rest of the country is still totally melting down. I could for a bit. But it's limited distraction. Let me pose the question to you. One more time then mark a week later you could be of the team that finds the vaccine and puts an end to all this indecision and madness and craziness or you could be an all-time grow great coach for the browns bring multiple titles to believe. Land your choice. I mean we've just discussed on his henchmen positive henchman so I think we've got it. I just my fantasy baseball team name. If a season happens what point is the browns team that needs all those changes so again? Be- room with a great bad name is awesome positive. Henchman all right. Let's move on so be sticking with a stroke by the way no judgement. They're just wanted to see after that conversation. If that changed anything nothing no not at all. I'm very. I'm very strong in my opinion on that one all right Some sad news in the NFL longtime packers defensive. End Willie Davis. He's passed away at the age of eighty five He was inducted into the hall of fame. In Nineteen eighty-one first. Two years were spent in Cleveland with the BROWNS. But then got traded to Vince. Lombardi's packers in nineteen sixty spent the deck decade there A big time pass rusher Saxton it becomes stat which blows my mind but sacks were not an official stat in the NFL until nineteen eighty two. So all these greats Coming off the edge in the old days you don't it's difficult to measure what they were if you didn't see them But he was a big time. Pass rusher you led the packers the five league titles including the back to back super balls. Start the Super Bowl era A grambling of alum and also a member of the Black College Football Hall of fame so Very sad news. Willie Davis dead at the age of eighty five West in your studies of the game. Do you have any goodwill elite Davis anecdotes? There was a time when mark and I were growing up. And you would hear about the packers defenses from the sixties dynasty with Vince Lombardi. And the only name you would hear was Ray Nikki the middle linebacker. Who was sort of addict? Buckets like bone rattling menace in defense. And then you read further and Willie Davis and Henry Jordan on the defensive line Dave Robinson at linebacker her battery and Willie Wood and the secondary. This was a defense. It was a star. Studded is just about any you would ever see and Willie Davis was a five time all pro. Maybe even the best player on that defense he would easily have the packers. All time sack record Over one hundred Jon. Turney who is a football researcher who goes back and watches games from the fifties and sixties. Has He said that? Willie Davis has somewhere between one hundred hundred and twenty career sacks and Davis has said Paul Hornung reminded him one year that he had twenty five and a season. You're talking about one of them next seasons of all time this guy was legit. Stud as if Michael Strahan's sack record could be any more legitimate. And what a joke and he. He started his career as a Cleveland. Brown I can just imagine the nineteen sixties version of mark. Sesser who knew of Willie Davis as an offensive Lineman for one year on the Browns who was then traded to become maybe the best defensive end in the NFL. He was the captain of of the packers. I mean all these like he was the first black captain of black Ibn captain in Green Bay in the in the sixties the leader of that team he played for Eddie Robinson. Paul Brown and Vince Lombardi. Say on the Mount Rushmore of football coaches from that era it's critical point and it raises the question and I know this would probably be far too in the weeds and take too much time. But what if you had a committee that went back and their job? You hide them away. I mean it's almost like a a project. You hide them away for two or three years they watch every NFL game ever and they bring us up to date on some of these. Uh SACK TOTALS. Like what stunning results would we have from that era completely lost and careers and achievements completely lost because we weren't tabulating certain numbers back then? It's a great idea. The only problem is I imagine. There are various telecast dark spots right where you and like you know full-fledged twenty two from like seven angles happening back then right but even one angle. I don't know I would imagine. Yeah that's probable. I looked up quite a bit of this stuff. Like turney has Deacon Jones with a couple of seasons twenty six and twenty eight secs. There's a guy who played for the Bengals in seventy six seventy seven named Coy Bacon. Who some some studies show him with like thirty sacks in a season and another one's twenty two so there's no agreed upon total also before we don he. His nickname was doctor and they ask why was his nickname. Doctor you said he was called that as as a child by all the women because he made them feel so good. This thing of this. Oh happy you brought that up because that's my want to be heard about Myself my eulogy was delivered. Good Job Greg. But no but not not the only sad loss in the NFL fraternity miss this earlier this week but wanted to make sure that touch on it former vikings and seahawks quarterback. Tomorrow's Jackson died on Sunday night in a car crash. She was just thirty six years. Old tenure. Nfl career began with the Vikings drafted in the second round of the two thousand. Six draft started twenty one games including a playoff game for the Vikings but was typically a backup With them he bounced around a little bit before leaving league. He'd been doing some saying football. Not at the pro level but as a coach in recent years Tomorrow's Jackson a dead at the age of thirty six. And that is terrible. I would give you a little nugget related to this show. And Tomorrow's Jackson Net when we when we started before the podcast we were around the League. A blogging site that. Kinda launched inside. Nfl DOT COM. Suddenly Dan and I were the initial people to to write for that and Had general managers and agents players suddenly startled at annoyed at us for some of the articles coming out from that time in the first ever around. The League. Post was based on Vars Jackson. I don't think it's appropriate for me to discuss. What the what. The angle of the story was but he was the subject and so a little bit of podcast history attached to him. I haven't there's all winter. Backup for wrestle Saddam. The seahawks team was really well. Who's the number two? Yeah because he started most of the season I think it was the year before Russell was was drafted at about a five hundred season. Had A winning season with with Brad childress and Darrow bevill and Troy Williamson and Adrian Peterson back before that as a starter. I have a tomorrow Jackson memory back in two thousand six. The jets vikings were on the schedule against each other's early December. And my friend Greg from back in New York is a huge Vikings Fan. So you know it's still at. Let's fly to Minneapolis. And it was a ball teams playoff contention so we Just worked out that way. Luckily we had bought. The tickets aren't advance so the week. Fifteen game essentially a play in game for both teams and the jets dub out to a big lead. It's twenty six to seven and Brad. Johnson is the Vikings quarterback and he's not playing well and the crowds cheering and they want to bars Jackson. Who was the kid that had the big preseason they bring them in and a third quarter was essentially his NFL debut In meaningful football. And he led them to a touchdown. Drive Kinda of put him back in the game. The jets the won the game and then afterwards in my body were walking outside the Metrodome and there was a card and comic shop across the street from the stadium and who's in there signing autographs. It's Accent and he's in there. Everyone the whole the whole place is packed with a huge line. Vikings are great. It's a great fan base of Waiting to any sitting next to his girlfriend at the time and I don't know if it was his future wife I have no idea I know he's married with three kids But I remember thinking at the time. Wow this like we're here for this guy's moment because at that time it was very clear that Brad Johnson was gonNA lose his job in Jackson did take over as the starter the next week and I'd made me think of that. Immediate remember seeing I ki- clearly even though they have lost the game that he had gotten this chance and he just seemed to be in good spirit so You know very sad To lose the VARS JACKSON. This young total bummer. All right Moving on Mark. You've been waiting for this. The browns reveal their newest jerseys. And it is a one of those throwback to the future deals and they have adopted essentially and correct me. If I'm wrong here mark What is their more traditional. Look the one that you grew up on in the eighties Maybe some minor differences helmet. hell facemask color aside. This is the browns uniform. You've been waiting for right. I think the be safe to say that ninety eight percent browns fans of a certain age were the direction they go in. They certainly hinted at this. I think they to maybe prevent pre reveal outrage. They made it clear. I think for a dating back to a year plus that the uniforms would return to traditional traditional. Look I love them? I think because I love them because they remind me of a uniform. They should not have veered away from to begin with some of the more notable changes. Because if you go back to some people are saying you know. It's just the two thousand fourteen uniform all over again well. The Orange and Brown sock stripes are new. They did keep the Matt Helmet. Finish from the more recent debacle version. Which I like. I think that was one of the only things I liked about those it harks back to classic browns uniforms. And you know depending on where you sit aesthetically. I would say these are some of the better uniforms in the NFL being objective about that. They're simple their sparse. And in a time when it's not just Nike but I think we're seeing uniforms go in these newfangled. Directions that are getting tagged as AFL looks or certain college looks. This is old this old school. This is Cleveland and I think the response has been extremely positive and I give the team credit in an era where this has been a problem for them. They listen to the fans. They didn't get too cute to creative or two off bent here and they they nailed it. I think I would consider it a home run at a time when the browns needed something and get it. You know it's it's similar to the bucks when the bucks are a bad football team but their uniforms make your eyes bleed. You're doubling down on the pain. The browns have removed the uniform aspect of this. The next part is to bring some of the traditional winning back versus five and six win disaster dramas every autumn this quote from Executive Vice President and CO owner J W Johns. I didn't know I thought the hassles or the owners but this must have a minority stake as you look at iconic franchises like the browns. The bears the packers and the cowboys. They're true to who they are. They're not doing a lot of changes and trying to make a lot of flashy moves with their uniforms. Well Yeah they should've never changed them in the first place they should. I understand there's always that That move you want to kind of fresh and things up. But when you're the Cleveland browns. We've talked one hundred times mark. There's only so many directions you can go in the first place so going with the more historic meat and potatoes version. Always made the most sense for the browns. So you understand why. They gave into temptation. Because it seems like a really fun thing to have all these different reveals in the teams go nuts on social and with big events. I remember the Browns of five years ago when the guy got stuck underneath the the overcoat when he's trying to pull it off and the it had all the flashing lights everywhere it was like a club scene. This is what it should always been. So they're they're admitting a mistake. The browns they do that from time to time make mistakes and it's good that they're getting more should be right. I wonder what the what the other people in the room think. I'm pleased. What are you guys? How do you feel uniform? Touchstone for Classic Franchises especially when times are bad they make you like you said. Harken back to the times when they were good and I would even you talk about the NFL. Teams the packers. The cowboys the steelers I think. The raiders are one of those teams with a classic uniform. That stand the test of time and I to me I think first of the New York Yankees dance team like the pinstripes and you think of the history and there's something there to grab onto as a fan stands test of time to me. It's sort of like this is how sports should be. You don't want your organization changing for change's sake all the time and I think the best organizations keep things classic. No they look great although the ones that kept also look great in those are newer feels like a homerun congratulations mark. I know this was very important. You well it's like it. They got it wrong. And there's there's nothing else happening. There's no other news happening this becomes the centerpiece for four five weeks. And then frankly four or five years so are you. Are you going to enjoy it. What are you doing the celebrate? How high like. How long will this high last for you? I mean I'm opening up all the doors and windows in my house and I'm just have my car running in the driveway with no one in it. The little things I can do in the current environment to show that I'm pleased if they rolled out ugly uniforms. Would you back that car into the garage and then closed it? I would have simply walked right into the hot zone up cove and just said take me away. Where where is that located trying to ask all right and speaking of the browns? Some news floating around there Jay Glazer made him a few that he's not aware of it about mailbag stuff in the past but he's also pretty gifted Nfl insider in the sense that when Glazer says a scoop it when he talks about Scuba Jr. You take it seriously. Because he's one of those plugged in guys and on Tuesday night He teased his Wednesday night. Radio show which is coming up in a few hours a Fox football now promising quote big national news. I'm not kidding around. So we don't know we'll find out by the time you listen to this. You might know what it is but we don't know what it is and as scuba has been hanging in the air. Wfan which comes up a lot on the show especially recently the New York sports radio station. Marc Malusis sue works for that station. Tweeted that the browns and Vikings were in trade talks. I Star Wide Receiver. Odell Beckham. Here is the tweet from Moluccas who is not plugged in. Nfl Media Guy. You should understand this as I before. I even read this that this is not stupid. You should take seriously but sometimes things do come to pass here. We go discussions on trade. That would send a Beckham to the Vikings for a second and fifth round. Pick next year. Trade is not den done but the deal is being discussed so people are connecting the glazer big announcement with this. I don't know about that but it's in the air. You guys think this is something that could happen. You think. The browns mark would move on from Beckham after one year. Well I mean I want to hear what what Greg has to think about the source of this number one. I would say this that Two things before Beckham Shift to the BROWNS. And I'm someone that when I get caught up on a browns rumor I will go deep twitter and I'll read anything that anyone puts out there and there's a lot of non the garden. I mean I just I just. I wanted to see what's out there. And there was a lot of chatter about Beckham on a low level plane that no one would take seriously before it happened so I just think that in general stuff gets out there. I don't I would say this was This seemed to come more from the Vikings. According to this report my two things is why? Why move someone who at this point unless you'RE GONNA GO DROUGHT? Wide Receiver is critical to your offense number two. I don't think his salary is extremely prohibitive and get more value than that. If you're going to trade Odell Beckham who had billion you've just released New Jersey's how many people are buying Beckham Jerseys. Okay I just watched a documentary with Kevin Stefanski whose son is obsessed with Odell Beckham. That it has no factor in this. But if you're going to move on from him I need a good explanation of why that's happening and the value better blow people away where the lingering criticism around that would fade quickly when you're not going to get the value that that the the giants got if they traded. Beckham. You're not going to get that package win. Why is I wonder if the explanation mark is that he's a pain in the ass and he's always hurt a bit of pain and ask feels to me honestly? There were a few little things with them in a with a team. That was very dysfunctional last year. Like is he that big of a pain in the ass I mean. Is that something that the giants anymore? Well but I think the media is going to cling to that no matter what. I just don't see that if you go look at the good things that Obama's done in Cleveland and I'm talking about charity wise and for his teammates and other stuff I just don't buy into the we've got to move on from this problem character on any level. I just think they have unfinished business like somebody who believes in his talent and Baker Mayfield's talent. It would be very disappointing to me. If the browns just cut the cord without a scene like a full healthy Odell Beckham season an offensive line that can block for Baker Mayfield. And I don't WanNa Plug Jake laser show anymore. Because we've already brought him up four times in the last five minutes but he. Tv show first of all night radio. Show let's find. Little misinformation is not a bad thing. The new here's book. Laser tweeted. The news is happening is not transactional news. Not a player. Getting traded or signed So you know it's probably not back related so everybody calm down a little bit there. A reason why no other people that cover the. Nfl's reporting this because to to mark's point. I think maybe things have been floating around like on the Dark Web. And maybe you know someone like me who doesn't have as much experience is going to put that out there. That said it doesn't seem that crazy to me. That Beckham would be a guy that gets traded on draft day especially if the browns are sitting at that ten spot and they have the receiver that they love and if they got a package for Beckham then then it makes a little bit bombings in Morton's bomb again. We all respect in this in the draft realm and he's writing for the athletic now. I think he said that they're the people that he's talking to their like fifteen wide receivers who can legit play coming into this draft class. So if you wanted to get out get out from under a contract and bring in somebody on the rookie scale that you really believe. I two or three that you could conceivably believe you know would replace Oto Beckham but but there are those guys where most drafts you. You would not have that zero zero but at least might have a front office believing that that those top guys could do something like that all right. That's what's happening in the news before we sign off. I thought it would be good to check in with somebody. Somebody that We haven't heard from for awhile. Someone who's been very busy within the walls of our company virtual walls as they are. Now somebody who's got takes somebody who just turned a year older and areas coming to you right now. Dave Ellie Right. It's nice to see talks people senior editor. Nfl media that accurate title. Yes that's accurate. I mean you really when you when you bring in a surprise guest. He really hit us with the Star power here. Dan Listen. I think there's a lot of the bunker wants so I mean I'm sure it was tough. Do you have. Do you have like earphones or anything? David you just you just speaking into your computer. Microphone the company issued computer microphone. It's crisp audio good. First of all I want to thank you for working so hard Keeping the desk moving for NFL DOT COM. Just WanNA touch on a couple of things quickly with you before we say goodbye number one quickly because of this audio thing. Let's be honest. That's that's just great. You just got to Dave. What is going on with you right now. You're just celebrated a birthday. What was it like to celebrate a birthday and deep quarantine interesting thirty three last week? Did a bunch of zooms with some friends share Pop the solo all champagne. That was fun. Oh not again. Yeah and you know just listeners might remember that. Dave had a bottle of champagne. All queued up to pop in a hot TUB. When the panthers were in the Super Bowl he worked the desk that night. Cam Newton didn't fall on the fumble. 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Episode 161 - Huey Lewis

Sodajerker On Songwriting

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Episode 161 - Huey Lewis

"Hey folks welcome to episode one hundred and sixty one of the jacker on songwriting. This is Brian Hair is always with Simon. We sincerely hope you're all hunkering down and staying safe and well during this very strange and unsettling time for resolve. We've certainly never known situation like it. Nor have you our wager? But hopefully this episode will provide a welcome distraction for you and put a much-needed smile face joining us today. A Grammy winning oscar-nominated American singer Songwriter Musician and beloved front man of one of the most commercially successful pop rock bands of all time. They achieve nineteen top ten singles during the nineteen eighties early nineties and today's of salt something in the region of thirty million albums with delighted to welcome the wonderful. Huey Lewis to the show as this episode. Ritu bound recently released whether their first album in ten years. I original music since two thousand and one and we met with Huey at the MG officers in Paddington. London back in late February when the world was very difference. Talk about the record and a good deal more. Besides it was a real thrill to meet him and as you'll hear he was in good spirits. And the very gracious Interviewee Huey was born. Hugh Anthony Cragg the third in New York in Nineteen fifty but moved with his family to California around the age of five and grew up in the San Francisco Bay area. His Dad was a physician who moonlights to digest drama while his mother was an artist than a beatnik through whom he encountered the likes of Charles Mingas and Allen Ginsberg our guest attended boarding school and New Jersey where he was a bit of a maths Whiz by all accounts following which at his father's encouragements he took time out to hitchhike across the US then stowed away on a transatlantic flight to Europe where he goes on street corners with his harmonica and gigged with pickup bands. When you shows of money he was back in San Fran. By the end of the sixties he briefly attended Cornell University to study engineering but left at the end of the seventies without completing his studies as a teenager in the late sixties he gravitated more towards soul music arm bay than the PSYCHEDELIC music scene and in nine hundred seventy to join the bay area band clover. Adopting the stage name of Huey Lewis with a slightly different spelling in nineteen seventy six. The bomb was spotted playing in La by our former guest. Nick Lowe who persuaded them to move to the UK where they arrived in the middle of the area managed by Jake Riviera and Dave Robinson of stiff records. The band recorded two albums for Phonogram in England with producer Robert Mutt Langa while members of clover also performed on. Elvis Costello's debut album. My aim is true. Meanwhile Huey befriended thin lizzy frontman Phil Linens and playing. On that band's legendary live album live and dangerous. Having failed to make a splash there couple of records clover despondent upon their return to California in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Huey. Assemble these next bond including bassist. Mario Cipollini and Saxophonist Johnny Cola while playing a residency at a club in Marin county there were originally called Huey Lewis and the American Express and eventually secured at the Christmas but not before the label insisted on a name change so Huey Lewis and the news was following the recruitment. Petar Chris Hayes. The band released their parliaments debut in nineteen eighty but it was with their second album picture. This and breakthrough single. Do you believe in love at their. First Chart Successes. God I always wanted to be. That Petar player was his nickname. The kid that's right. Yeah our magic being called the kid them running around and white trainers planned salvos all night. What more could you want? The band truly hit pay with their third album sports. It's up the billboard charts yielded four top ten singles including the heart of rock and roll. And if this is it and remains the best-selling pop albums of all time. Huey and Co achieved fair the success with two songs on the soundtrack one thousand nine hundred five blockbuster movie back to the future one of which the power of Love was number one and nominated for an Oscar. He also cameo in the movie. Of course he did indeed. It's so indicator of his profile. At this point that Huey was also one of the artists to sang on the one thousand nine hundred five charity single. We are the world. I think you've signed a part that was intended for Princeton. That's correct yeah. I'm prince didn't show up so here we go to d-print further success came with their fourth studio album for another chart topper which spawned two number ones in stuck with the on the Bruce Hornsby penned Jacob's ladder nineteen eighty eight. Small world was another platinum record the title track arguably one of their finest. In my opinion I would agree. All the solid albums include hard play the covers album full codes and several years ago plan B and a second covers album souls. Ville here is also dabbled in acting appearing movies like jets and Robert Altman's shortcuts as well as I saying the role of Billy Flynn in Chicago on Broadway in two thousand and five. Speaking of musicals is currently working on his very own Huey Lewis and the news based theatrical production. The hearts of rock and roll to hear a selection of tracks from across hueys recording career. Check out spotify playlist for this episode. Which you'll find on Hueys page at so dejected. Dot Com slash podcast. Keep up to date with his. And the band's latest news at Huey Lewis and the news dot COM. You can also follow them. Facebook DOT com slash Huey Lewis and the news at Huey Lewis News on twitter at Huey Lewis and the news on instagram. You can find us as always at so dejected. Dot Com facebook dot com slash. So Jake an Aso jacket on twitter and Instagram. If you knew to the we encourage you to check out our ever-growing archive of songwriter interviews and subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. So you never miss an episode. The dose will be a great help to US. Give us a nice review and a five star rating just before we continue. We'd like to thank Greg for his help. Set up the interview and also to Rohan. Bmg for his assistance on the day. Okay now it's time to sit back and enjoy our chat with the one and only Huey Lewis. Do you remember when not sold future art. What a time short. Let's joking too. Hearing grupp Slough delighted to get to see you. We love whether we think it sounds fantastic. Thank you well. I'm really glad to be here. So thanks for having me while will young. It's just a lovely sounded song isn't it? Yeah I love that song kind of one of the first ones we put together. You know. It's an expression in America while we're young if somebody's taking your picture and they're taking too long. Usaa while we're young but it's written about growing old obviously by a guy who's not that young but he's not that old either and you cut some of the vocal home. I think I did we. We the originally John Pierce our bass player and I wrote the song in my living room and then Johnny put another part to it but I sang in my living room. We like something about that. So we we pinched some of that and put it on the master and was the rest of it. Kind of assembled remotely. Yeah sort of once we got the track in our studio guitar came in and played and did it but we didn't all play at one time on that. Now right be unusual for you. We've made records all kinds of ways. You know made a soul record souls Ville where we captured everything completely live and real ambient ways and then we've also made records where we cut and paste and use machines and stuff so there's no right or wrong that the Song Kinda tells you how wants to be handled. I think yeah. I think most of the songs were written quite a while ago. Is that right true Yeah my hearing crash two years ago and we had seven songs. That's why there's only seven I lost my writer thirty three years ago. Let lost my left ear about two years in a month ago. And I can't hear music anymore to to sink to because it's cacophony for me distorts and resonates and goes crazy. So it's it's horrible. The good news is it does fluctuate once in a while and can get little better and when it's better like one to ten on it's a six which is as good as it's been in two years. I'm okay with hearing aids and the technology and maybe even could sing again but I haven't been six and stable long enough to find out And that's the bad news hearing story but that's why there's only seven songs on the record. We were sort of compiling as we went along. We had seven things in the Kellyanne. I lost my hearing. You know we waited for a while to see if I could regain it and when I couldn't we We signed a release the songs to the fans. You not the fist guest. We've had to struggled with their hearing. K T tunstall the Scottish singer Songwriter. Okay she lost hearing in one ear as well. I'm Patty Makalu. From the bomb prefab sprout eat had many years as well see almost always the hearing loss with many years. One side one air and one ears. No problem I lost my right ear thirty three years ago after several vertigo bouts with years between them and my father was a doctor who sent me to a renown. Emt My right ear. Felt like I got out of the swimming pool and it just was stuffed up and he said well get used to it. I said what did you say? I'm musician I'm a singer I. He's Brian Wilson had one ear Jimi Hendrix. Had One ear. Says I have one ear and I'm in a barbershop quartet. You only need one ear and you do. You'll need one but I don't even have one. That's my problem is killing me is another one from back in the day. Is Chris Hayes? Chris as and I wrote that. Song embarrassingly probably twenty years ago and we never got a right. We just couldn't get it right. We tried it and didn't work and then we played it live and it didn't work and we tried some hybrid version where we started with a drum machine and halfway through the whole band busted in. That didn't work. We abandoned the song and now three years later we were at a rehearsal and we just started playing it and it just fell together and lessen their which is the simple songs. They're the hardest ones to get right. They're not allowed to cords to help you. It's all about the tempo and the feel and the moment you know and we got it right. Finally I'm picking relievers. Every night is killing me. Sometimes it takes a lot of patients with songs nate. You have to wait for that right. It isn't like playing live at all. Making a record is a technological consideration You have to make sure you're you know you got all the buttons pushed. Does that mean that might be other great songs that you just haven't quite found a home full yet that you've been holding onto for a long time now I got a couple of ideas but nothing fully formed. Yet we have a Broadway show a musical. There were hoping planning to bring Broadway next season. We've just partnered with a Tony Award winning producer Hunter Arnold who produced hagerstown which won all the awards and musical of the year last and so very excited about that and I wrote a new song for that. While we're young is in that show as well and I wrote another new song with Jani. Coa for the show called. I WanNa be someone that's The centerpiece of that show. But I've just been worrying about my hearing and trying everything I've been to everywhere. I've tried chiropractic acupuncture low salt organic diet. No Caffeine no chocolate. I've into the House Ear Institute Stanford Institute Mayoclinic Talk With Steve Rouse from Harvard Medical School. None of this stuff works. I'm really trying to get my hearing back. But in the meantime I try to stay creative and keep busy so I don't have to think about it if that makes any SASSAMAN will. There's still a warm sense of humor on this record. We thought songs like remind me while of you again. The sleep number beds good. I'm surprised see so much of our stuff is so American. Sleep number bed you know. We're young one of the boys. These things are like Americanisms in a way I mean I'm amazed that they resonate with anybody outside of our country so I'm just happy that it happens you know And those sorts of things. Would you write those down during the writing process and just keep hold of lands? You think might be funny for a song or we should in fact. That's a good idea. But I don't I don't do any of that. I just I wait for the idea to come and then I write the song. I don't save anything. I don't keep anything I mean. That's not quite true. I have some notes stuff around. I probably have some cassette tapes and and I got a few things on my phone zing and into my phone gas but not not many couple two three and then the song that you cova pretty gals every way you really nail low fifties vibe with those backing vocals. Don't use kinda sounds like the coast is to US okay. Eugene churches the the artists and the story it where I got it was in eighty eight or eighty nine we were. Our tour was sold out in America and the agents said to me. Who Do you like to open? I said let's get the Neville brothers so he did and sure enough. We did a national tour the Neville brothers and we kind of fell in love were. I always loved the now brothers but we jammed every night on stage and made friends with them and at the end of the tour Aaron Neville came up to me and he said to call pretty girl there. Well by Eugene Church I said no man he said man. You need to do that tune. I said what you need to do is right up your alley okay. And then he sent me the seven inch vinyl of it and I didn't even play I just stashed it somewhere and I found it like three years ago and played it when. Oh my gosh. She's right and so we cut it and I told Aaron about it and he's he was pleased everywhere I go. Ooh Ooh girl pretty but you never really let go of that sort of Doo wop style even when you were making all those very very popular records so like naturally and we all we all sing. So why not and. Johnny does our vocal arrangements. Johnny Cola is the vocal arranger for us. That's his thing. So you know Sean Sayings. Billy sings is saying Johnny States and it's kind of a return for us also our soul music records didn't have as much background vocals sports at a lot of background. But if this is it like these kinds of things and you know people like that so we try to do that a little bit on this record yeah interesting. How very the album is stylistically. Especially for such a short record. You Cram a lot different things in like one of the boys. For instance treads kind of country territory. What was the story behind the song? Yeah I'll tell you the story I mean it is very and record. Companies always hated that about you. Know they always say you got a narrow focus but you know. Sports is all over the map too so I think that's just kind of the way it is with us you know and I think if the song rings true than it works. I don't know that's what I hope that Song One of the boys was inspired by a producer. Called Dave Cobb in Nashville is a great producer and We mutuel France. We had lunch and he said he liked me to try and write a song for Willie Nelson which was amazing. You know me right for Willie. Nelson rewrote crazy. Wow and even kind of pointed me in the right direction but I thought nothing of it but I woke up a couple weeks later with the whole song in my head and I got with Jani. We demoted up and we send it to him and he loved it but never got the Gig so I thought well there. We go but our drummer Bill Gibson said. I think we should do it. He says I think it's great for you. I said really and then I played it listening to it is to see whether or not I thought it was. You know in our ballpark. And I realize that the lyric which I'd written for Willie Nelson as if I was Willie Nelson was actually my life story. Great Pedal Steel. I'm not want as well. John mcphee on pedal steel from the now with newbies. Who was from clover and I just sent it to him because we didn't have steel on it initially and I said let's put a pedal steel on it. I called him up. He says Sheer Senate down. I send it down to him and he cut me two tracks a he was unbelievable. I told him play one. Just play everything. You can't fill every hall and do another one as if you were tastefully accompanying me and what you think is correct. And that's all I need to tracks and I said and I don't Wanna lap steel but I don't want that real sophisticated pedal steel sound the jazzy thing. He's I know what you want. He said Cross between Bakersfield and William Senior. And that's what it is about mcphee's a tremendous musician and a really good friend and he. Yeah he woke the song boy play with my friends music dance and so on down the road ahead another another show making beautiful noise me and the boy. It's a beautiful noise just one of. Oh Boy Burn. We had Nicolau on the podcast that one points. That's our only clova connection so far. I think yeah I think so. We had one of his biggest fans. And you know mcphee is the one who plays the lead guitar on Elvis. Costello's my aim is true right. Yes you know the Beautiful Little Guitar Phil Yet. That's also John mcphee. Who Played The pedal steel? He's such a great musician and nick is a great songwriter. And you know in a wonderful guy although he has a very American sensibility music wise. He's so British. Yeah so British. Nick and for the life of me. I don't understand why he's not a huge star in this country Britain is pretty unkind to own time. And you know what I mean and Philip. Lenin was the same way it's interesting But I mean Britain's should be very proud of of Niccolo. He's a he really is a treasure. Yeah we love no absolutely We also funds of the soul of early new wave kind of songs. You know like some of my lies a true and right shoveling paradise. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. If I was in clover clover came over here. Nick was slotted to produce but punk hit the day. We arrived and all bets. Were we were a long haired country band in the middle of punk and we were managed by Dave Robinson Jake Riviera and they both immediately partners on Elvis Costello stiff records the damned wreckless Eric. Bom and it was off but the exciting part for me was the stance. The punks add wasn't so much musical for me because I've always liked the same music I've always liked. But you know clover spent all our time grooming ourselves to be attractive for record labels and these guys were thumbing their noses the record labels and say we don't care singing. Her own songs are away and I said that's what I'm GONNA do. This band ever breaks up. I'M GONNA go back to Marin County I'm GonNa go to the light my little club. I'm going to ask him for Monday nights. I'M GONNA surrounded with my mates now. I'M GONNA sing every song and the band's going to have a little more saxophone and a little less guitar and be Kinda R&B based that's what I did The so focused a logically those songs that won't they like. Do you believe in low Friday. There's not a wasted moment in those songs. You know what I mean just well. Yeah I mean those are the time to a radio world. There was no youtube. There was no internet. You had to have a hit single or you're in the game so we insisted on producing ourselves because we wanted to make those commercial choices ourselves. Nineteen eighty two. We were an unknown band producing ourselves. That just didn't happen but our manager fought for it and Christmas. Fortunately was six thousand miles and couldn't control us and so we produce picture this do believe in love which I got from Mutt. My friend and you know one of greatest record producers who ever lived and a great songwriter and I rewrote the the lyric. The theory was do the best eight songs we can write. And the best to outside once and do you believe in level was a hit. Kind of a tickle but it only really was break even hit so sports was the record that really had sell us through and we really needed to hit single and so we aimed every track right at radio and we know we needed to hit. We didn't know we're going to have five or six of them. Did you tweak about the lyrics? Do you believe in love Well I changed it. It was called. We both believe in love Rice. The course was completely different. It was different sentiment. 'cause that course is just on deniable isn't a guy. Well Matz great writer too. I mean he doesn't miss. I mean he wrote all the DEF leppard stuff and he wrote all the Shi'ite Twain an AC DC produced all that they don't come any better than obviously the blues essential to music especially through the harmonica plan we wanted. Did you ever use that as a right into the harmonica or is it always a kind of a finishing CH- mostly finishing touch? Yeah blue sermon. I mean a lot of it's been done. I mean little Walter Sonny by Winston. Wow you know. And so I look for a way to be original a little bit so I use less amplification generally and then I also like to just play melodic lines like George Harrison. I try and think of myself as George Arison night. That's what you mean. Yeah of the George Harrison of Armani. He always surprised US how much shift the blues was still in those records. You know the organ plane and the Hawks playing well. That's you're very perceptive and that's it. I mean we use Hammond organ you know. How many records use Hammond organ? I mean very rarely and not a sample. He's a real Hammond organ. You can hear the last and that makes a difference is pushing air. Yeah so yeah I mean those. Are the choices you make. I guess it's subtle but but it's their songs like bodies Botin working for eleven and heart of rock and roll the kind of blues. They might succeed as pop songs. Don't they well? Yeah that's right. And and the Gimmick there the trick is not really trick is those songs are really old blues songs. But they're cut as contemporary as one thousand nine hundred eighty two got with drum machines. Bad as bad as these. These two and those are at Linn Drum high-tech her own right and harder rock and roll. Is I mean? I don't give away the secret but it's sequenced. Yeah it's cut to machine. Yeah and the overdubbed played do a machine. We wanted that little edge that little contemporary edge yet. And that's how we cut this record as contemporary as we we're contemporary nineteen eighty up as a minute. Maybe three well. It kind of reminds me how How prince around the time so to eighty-three with one thousand nine hundred nine blending organic instruments on the lendrum where he was even more ninety nine has no base. Yeah I mean you know he was radical for as what artist and I mean. Well you know we were just trying to nineteen eighty. I believe or seventy nine. We heard that some guy called Roger. Linn had just caros drums in a box. We say what yeah? It's it's a machine and his drum I said what do you mean? It's it's a chip? What's a chin? What we what we heard about this thing called a drum machine. That people were using on their records. I always love them harder. Rock and roll for the travelogue. You know the different cities that you mentioned. I think that's kind of a trick. A lot of songwriters of used to get people on board with the song. Yeah WHEN IN DOUBT SHOUT CITIES. It's a good lesson. James Brown did it as well rounded. Did it Chuck Berry did it? It's you know to be shout cities in Canada battle Ru Homa city San Francisco music anymore. Did they say a off? Think him lyrically. Most of the songs tend to be. So it's a fastened rather than kind of inventing characters is a song right sister true and and you know I have very few creative regrets but I do have one. And that's that would be hip to be square which originally wrote in the third person he to be a renegade used to fill around but he couldn't take the punishment had to settle down mental articulated phenomenon quite common in the eighties of these Bohemian types from the sixties dropping back in becoming Bourgeois bozen Paradise David Brooks book articulated that and by the way so did American cycle actually sure same kind of an idea but I thought it would be funnier if I told him I myself right. I used to be a renegade and unfortunately some people thought it was like an anthem for Squire people. It was never intended to be well. I guess you thought Bay area background. Didn't you the Hippie culture that you came up and see? I thought people would take that for granted. My hip card has been punched. My mom was was hit. I come from hippies. You know I figured my credentials work safe but on that I know I guess that's kind of one of the great things about songwriting. Isn't it that you know your intention with song might be completely different from how people take? They don't sleep. That is a really really good point. And that's something. They're always remember because songs are kind of gifts. You know the idea comes songs need to be about something and generally you get this idea and you go got it but now you gotta actually realize it without blowing it and that's hard to do because it gets out of control sometimes and you got to reel it back in and you do your best job of that that you can to get it to where you think it's good as you can get it and then some of them just get up and fly and some of them just lay there dead and there's no reason to it as far as I can figure out what Brian was saying about prints maybe think of small world this well because I think that song has those qualities. Doesn't it very atmospheric courts and what sounds like a sequenced base. It is a sequence base. I it's kind of a experimental song as well like the second pass as embassy. Wild part standards is sax. Solo is the best piece of Music. That we've have on tape 'CAUSE OF GETS. I mean He. I could tell you we you know we could talk about how he plays. Yeah well it's just a lot with. Let's go there. I mean by the way we're talking about small world which after sports and four you know we sold millions of records and all this stuff and I said that we wouldn't do anything for commercial reasons anymore. I figured we needed to stretch out. We had to explore these other rhythms and other kinds of songs. And all that stuff so that was the idea. It was by the way selected as rolling stones worst album of the year. But we got stand gets to play on. My father was a Jazzar and when zoot Sims died there was a benefit at a little club in San Francisco and my old man said zoo died. And there's a benefit. It's going to be unbelievable Jimmy. John's trio gets and other people are coming said. It'd be great so unbeknownst to him. I got two tickets and I surprised him. I said Pop. So we're GONNA go to the zoot Sims benefit. Oh man that's great that's great. He had never seen me perform yet. My Dad always thought that what I did was kind of like. He called it. The funny hat routine is he was a Jazzar and every jazzman in one song they do a comic deal where they put funny hats over there mutes and stuff. He thought all of rock and roll was the funny at. He didn't reckon it anything more than that and he had never seen me perform and we were starting to happen. So I get these two tickets and we'd go down to. I guess it was. What's now Kimble's the jazz club and were there early? And Oh my gosh they say Huey Lewis. Great to have you here and my dad's going. Wow these people are paying attention to my son. That's amazing and then they walk us down to our seats which it's very small place. We're right in the middle on the isle third row. These two seats in gentlemen sitting right there already is Phil. Ellwood the jazz critic for the San Francisco. Chronicle whose of great renown jazz critic and my. Oh Man knows all the jazz people you can tell you everybody and Jimmie Lunceford Span. Everybody in chick. Webb's Band Ernie lockjaw Davis zoot Sims and Cudi Williams. And everybody you know. Billy strayhorn the arrangers all that stuff and he knows. Phil Elliott and Phil ellwood goes. Oh my gosh. It's Huey Lewis Man. Great to me my old man's going what he knows. Who Kid is so now. My Dad's sits next to fill ellwood and they are going on like a house afire about different bands and who played drums with WHO and he knew some of these cats and talk about. They're having a ball and I feel a tap on my shoulder and I turn around and it's gets and he's got his horn on and he goes eight YOU LOUIS. I said Yeah. He's my girlfriend. Wants to eat your shorts BUBBA. Well he says. Why don't you let me plan some your shit? This is you know I can play that shit too as well. Yeah I suppose you're GonNa and he gave me a little card that says have sachs will travel and On the ride home mile man says if you don't take him up on that I will never ever forgive you. The man has cancer. He's not going to be around. That long mailman was radiologists in new those circles and he says you know this is a once in a lifetime thing so we struggled to find a song that gets could play over and Chris came up with small world and so when we had small world we had the song and I sent it gets and he came up and played on it. I split the song up into which I shouldn't have done. I should've left it in one. The we edited it for a single. It was a five minute single and it broke a string of twenty top ten singles that we have never cracked the top twenty but it is the best piece of music. I believe that we've ever had on record. And it's represented on smaller small world part two but it was such a lesson such a music lesson watching him do it and play it. I get chills when I hear it. Yeah it's wonderful track him you talk about that zone of hits. It's amazing really because we grew up in the air of four and power love of course that song in particular power. Love it so omnipresence. Isn't it even to this day? We hear all the time I think to an extent you can kind of forget. What a great piece of music. It is well Sure that sweetie to say you know. I don't know all I know about power love I remember is that you know because again. We're producing the records ourselves so we're trying to get them done and we're doing and I remember seeing the vocal in studio city and the record plant and those days were recording with analog tape so we only had twenty four tracks and one was for seventy so he only had twenty three tracks so he had to be judicious about your tracks. So what you cut a vocal was GONNA sing three times and then you comp it to one track pick whichever wins the best one and then go down till there was a mistake and then you have a contract and then you erase those three tracks so now you only have one track. So I'd Sung vote when I came back in and I calmed down. And then I just played it to listen to the COP vocal the rest of the Vogel and I was engineered by myself. And Sean Hopper Kinda came in the control room our keyboard player and backing me and the thing played down. I'm just listening to the vocal. Listen to listen to it and vignettes. Okay mom and when it finish hopper said that's the best thing we've ever done and I went well really I hadn't even considered you know what it was. Yeah Yeah it's good you really as I mean I. It's a classic. Never know that though. You know it's one of those songs that just got up and flew and you know thank God I mean. That's a gift that's just a gift. Did it start with Chris Hayes not one without vamp yeah? Chris had a little progression. Which was the verse progression? And then I had a meeting with Steven Spielberg Bob's zemeckis neo canton and Bob Gale. And they said look. We've just written this film and the lead character's Mardi MC fly and his favorite band would be Louis. How about writing a song for the film I said? Wow that'd be great. I mean a flattered. I don't know how to write for film necessarily frankly. I don't quit fancy writing a song called back to the future. No problem just the next thing you rights and down to us we just want one of your songs is what they said. I said okay. We'll I'll send you the next thing I write and I had these various progressions on that little piece of music of Christmas and I put it on a Walkman and I went on a little run. It hit me and I was kind of inspired by my kids and I wrote it in one sitting and then I think I sang it on the demo. And send it to Bob's America's it gets a little unclear here because I thought we just send the too many loved it but some Mecca says the one I sent it to him. He thought it was an up enough and he told me. And I said okay well because the verses in a minor key in so I mentioned that to johnny and Johnny had an idea and he put up the bomb bump those three chords stabbed his yet and then they loved it. That's how we did it. One of the things I think is most special about that. Song is is actually the bridge. That's Christmas bridge is beautiful courts. Yet will Rick Rubin once said if the bridge isn't the best parts of the song that shouldn't be a that's interesting and that song sort of exemplifies the I think it's so great songs have great bridges. Yeah and that's where a lot of songs fall down there. Good but got no bridge and they disappeared in the nineties. I think that's why eighty songs are still popular. Because they follow that formula for an American popular song which is Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Bridge Chorus. Out or course out And everything's in fours for the most part three four four four eight bars or you know in fours and that's the way it's done. It's like Haiku trying to reinvent the wheel. That's what you're trying to do too remember Kennedy when it comes to in time. I noticed that one's much more specific in terms of the film. You mentioned Dr Enlightening. Yeah you know Did you have a script something we have done? It love power love. They finish the movie and they hastily said. We need another song for the credits. I said well. Yeah okay. I'll give it a so. I rewrote the movie. You know and and shots progression and I and we got together and wrote it in a few hours so the guitar riffs and the brass riffs which of intertwine on that song. Yeah would you have a hand in that? Would you be in those parts and Rice? We all have a hand in everything and when I say that I really our drummer. Bill Gibson is just the drummer. But he's got unbelievable. Here's a great musician and everybody in our band has got great here. So we it kind of collectively. Yeah you know. We're all there and you say. Oh what if this? What if that but Johnny pretty much writes the horn chart and then we say Johnny about that fourth bar or whatever you know. And that's the way that goes I mean. He's the horn department in the vocal department. Billy's rhythm section but we all run over each other. Yeah everything seems to have. Its right place on those records doesn't like the way that guitars were stuck with you. For example nothing. So it's about the place. Oh yeah yeah yeah well probably the most important part of our records is Bob. Clermont new mixes them. I mean he's spectacular mixes everybody from the Rolling Stones. Bruce Springsteen I mean you know it's amazing how good he is and we've gotten very good because we made lots of records. We can mix our own records but we can't get near. Clermont for some reason. Well it's always been amazed that you guys produced those albums as well. He sounds so pristinely with with the shoe and there was a guiding hand. You know we wanted to make those commercial choices ourselves. You know. You're going to have to live within models of do it yourself and we'd learned you know. We went spring chickens. I'd been around done. Sessions here worked. Philemon at work with Nick Lowe Dave. Edmunds you know. I'd done a few things so we were confident. We had Clermont in the mix it so yeah we produced it ourselves. I think you'll ear for melody specifically is important though because even the song she didn't write something like Jacob's ladder for example. Imos feel great to have those awesome. Yeah Oh yeah. Oh Jacob's ladder. You know. I produced three songs on. Bruce Hornsby's I record and you know he didn't need a producer but we had fun doing it and I wanted him to do Jacob's ladders one of my favorite songs. But he wrote it a different way completely different arrangement and I want him to do this arrangement and he didn't get he said you do it so okay. I'll do it and we did it and it was. It was and it was. I told him I said Bruce. I told you to find you. Kinda still have ideas for songs on a regular basis or drilling needs to be prompted by something. I'll have a project to work on I I still get ideas you know. I used to get ideas on a regular basis. But I'm anything but prolific. I'm not like my pal Niccolo. Hammer them out right but you just you've got to have an idea you know. And I think the way to have ideas be receptive to them to be around instruments and all that stuff and be thinking about songs in music. Since I lost my hearing I don't think about that. Struggling to hear pitch you know it just depresses me so much. Can't you play one note on a piano and it's out of tune with itself? Just horrible I go so I I think about other stuff. You know the musical or whatever but having said all that there's lots of people out there way worsen I am. I still have a lot to be grateful for all in all. I'm unlucky guy important that I remember that. It's not easy. But it's important you one of the all time greats to wait so thank you so much for doing. This has been great to get to say von chatting with your boys. Thank you choose to That was Huey Lewis token to us at the offices in Paddington Water. Great Guy Yeah as we said at the top of the show it was just such a thrill to meet. Yeah and when you revisit those albums really realize that. He and the band that just pop craftsman of the highest order. Oh absolutely I don't think they get anywhere near enough credits for the quality of the songwriting on those records that musicianship and of course you know. What a sensational singer. Oh I mean not voice. It's just one of those voices die so even and powerful and just the tone and everything is perfect like he listened to something like this bad and he hits that line where he sings sometimes and just the sort of uniform tone of the way here compelled that out and still have it sound. Good just blows me. All Right is absolute must. They're still scientific on. The new record can only keep your fingers crossed one day. He's able to return to the live stage and gracious with that voice. Uma Definitely Going back over. Some of the old attracts that he didn't write like Jacob's ladder. And do you believe in loaf? Now it's thrilling to wasn't it? Oh absolutely you know. And the Mo Langa I mean working with him at such a crucial juncture must have been really big influence on here. He's kind of melodic sense or to be. I would say and of course I couldn't let the interview go by without talking about my favorite movie of all time back to the young. Yeah I mean what can you say I mean we both just? We kind of grew up on that movie than we We say that don't we? It's true these people are the solve hallmarks of culture that we grew up watching thou definitely Yemen going. See that for a sixth or seventh birthday party. A group of us from primary school went to watch. I saw it on my seventh birthday here. Yeah you know it's it's pure fantasy stuff. I is an IT really. And they're going to the songs. I always loved how specific he gets in that back in time. Yeah it really sort of said he retold the movie he you know you can hear him talking about the different characters. He mentions dog actually mentioned Marty at one point. Those nieces get back Marcy. Yes it has yet which I always took to be a maybe a Beatles reference. Oh Yeah Yeah. I think it's a get back. Joe Joe Moments isn't it and it was quite unusual. It wasn't in There were setting challenges mainly Hueys. Obviously from pretty bad here in las at the moment so You know there was a little bit of repeat and raise. Our voices let allowed. We normally would. Yeah and you know. We've obviously we've tied up the episodes a little bit so what people don't have to hear that it was kind of shocking. Wasn't it because you know when you know someone is being such a great kind of singer and performer? And Music experts. And then you face to face with them talking on the literally con here. And even when you know it's it it's it's definitely a little bit disconcerting yet Because he has good days and bad days and on the day we met he was having a particularly bad day so as I say it was a challenge still tremendous phone. Yeah and then Towards the end the came up to me said him at the thing is guys. I've always been a shitty listener but now I've got an excuse. Yeah that was great and also it's not every day you end up getting filmed for a Huey Lewis documentary of course. Yeah the filmmaker kick. Kenny was there. I don't know if you've ever seen these Zachary book you made this absolutely masterful documentary several years back about a really tragic story that he was kind of bound open and he walked in carrying a camera and film to whole interview. Was part of this documentaries making about here so I don't know the final coats but I hope so. Yeah I mean that was pretty crazy because I remember you. Give me A. There's actually on a DVD like years ago about ten years ago right. Yeah I was definitely to share that film. It's a rarity really striking movie. Yeah maybe he wants to watch in the in the current climate. You might want something a little bit more lighthearted. Yeah yes save that one for the host. Cova date yet absolutely. So thanks to Huey thanks again to Greg and to run weather is available everywhere now so go check it out. It's vintage Huey Lewis and the news. We think you'll rarely if you're found the band maybe best if you stream for now. 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All Eyes on La La Land

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All Eyes on La La Land

"In. Theory. There are more dramatic all time game six, then game seven. Whether tonight is the day L.. A.'S WAY to thirty two years four or could it be Tampa's greatest wish basketball. News. Dallas doing too much right now. Why why Dallas every day? When the tobacco is. Like a big piece of Pie that's the cowboys. Red Sox, your account number. Del Totally gone, and that is your matchup ear in game six of the world series. It was game to when Elliot went. Would they bullpen game which did not work for them then? and it puts them in a dramatic position. Now in gained six, should the Dodgers Trust Johnson? Should they trust their bullpen? Should they trust Dave Robinson managing their bullpen or she's a race feel good about themselves. That's a lot of questions around the Horn to you. Clinton. Yates. David. Handling this mainly because of the position he's putting gone in. He's a rookie. We have to understand this about what his October has been like it took him two weeks to pitch into October it was in the thirteenth it was three days after that. Then he pitched the next time and then the next time he couldn't get out with only got four outs and so my point is I don't want to put a rookie position like this when you got Walker Buehler who in my opinion? Is the best pitcher on the team as evidence in two thousand, eighteen in the world series when you through one of the gems got forgotten for the dodgers overall I just don't like this because overall Goslin has given up as many earned runs as he has has innings pitched you can't put a rookie in that situation you have somebody better this is not the time to take so you would prefer to start Walker, bueller tonight not save him for game seven when you win it all tonight's in. Bring you in here. Well I hate to see anything come in between Clinton and Dave I know we're. Ready to go for this game No, I think. First of all, Dave Roberts is doing the right thing you put Walker. Bieler in his best situation. You may not need him tomorrow night you may get it done tonight but I would lean the other way because if you've got a bullpen game something like that on one side and fairly recent cy young award winner who gave four really good shutout. The other night before he fell apart in the fifth, they need one more inning from blades. They need five good innings before they get into that bullpen, and if they get that tonight, I think things are set for games rank guy sold on the dodgers starting the rookie in game six or maybe considering bullpen game where where do you come down on that? You know it Clinton is thinking the way. Jack. mckeon thought when he coached tomorrow manager of the marlins remember we started Josh Beckett on short rest against the Yankees. Won that game six. Here's my thing with Goslin the last time out he only pitched he only through twenty nine pitches. So I would think he'd be rested during the regular season. He was actually pretty good. My issue will be with Blake Snell. He's gotTa do better than that third. Time Right now God forbid you pitch the third time around in the order. That's when he seems to fall apart. Can you give them six solid innings and maybe give the team a chance to play a game seven tomorrow and Jack? You're Dave Roberts right now are you thinking Gone Lynn the rookie to start today you're thinking maybe I should go. With bueller maybe it should be my ace right now. I'm thinking wow, I, wish I could call. Clinton Yates to see what he thinks. This is where. I understand I understand the logic of both of my colleagues here. But here's the thing. If it doesn't go well, you pull them and you pull them quickly and you get to your bullpen and you go from there. Here's the thing that the dodgers have over the raisin have had over them twenty. During this entire series, they have guys that are hitting the cover off the ball guys like Seeger Mookie Betts, we're getting hits after hits the rays have one. Great Guy who's hitting and the rest of them are hitting as a team batting one, ninety, two with runners in scoring position that is not a recipe for success. So if you see even the hint of trouble if I'm Dave Roberts pulling consulate, I'm going to my bullpen and I'm going to unleash my hitters who can you pick up the pieces of your argument here? Yeah and I think part of the reason why the strategy I'm referring to for David. Robert's is because he has other guys in the bullpen who can go with I. Don't like the idea which is what he said yesterday we don't have a plan I'm going to eyeball it. I'm going to pull them quickly and that is not the kind of pressure I would've put on my team in the world series when it's on the line just. Right there. You know you look at the dodgers they have more home runs more hits more doubles more than fewer strikeouts than Tampa Bay. So offensively, they're too good. Remember last year Stephen Strasburg that great outing that he had to extend that series to game seven. That's the kind of performance I know that Blake smells not pitching into the night that's not gonNa happen six solid innings. That's all they need. Let's talk about the back end of this game. If you're Dave Roberts, are you going to Kenley Jansen to close this out or what are you doing in the back end of the especially if you're using four five, six pitches earlier on in this Game Clinton I don't mind Kenley in this but only because this is the time that you actually do have one to see. They have a lot of options. Dust in May in the game longer if he's throwing one hundred, one miles an hour getting Jackie. I'm trying to understand why the logic is I'm going to keep them in the game because I, have one. I was that good lawyers versus it's a different discussion with starters versus bullpen players. That's just my opinion about this. Okay. So let's pick here. Let's get some picks in your Jackie Mak where you got tonight. Just feels to me like it's the dodgers time right now I'm GONNA take. Right? Go. Sola. Dodge is a will eventually win Tampa Bay will win tonight cowlishaw. As the only panelist who was there? Thirty two years ago when they won I know our art. It's GonNa be it's GonNa take the dodgers another day eight. The reason score more runs against openers than any other team in the playoffs I'll take them. So that's three taken Tampa and one saying it's a close out for la all right we'll move on. Rams Twenty four bears ten last night. and. The every real possibility everybody in the NFC west makes the playoffs this year what the Rams are closer to that team that made the several years ago whether they're good or whether they just beat it disappointing bears team. Can Start there. They beat embarrassed team. I don't know disappointing they weren't as good as their record and their offense is a bit of a mess. So this gave the rams defense a chance to look good I was more impressed with the rams offense and Sean mcvay eventually sticking with the run and grinding it out. And showing what they could do this team is, is not that different from the team that went to the super? Bowl, in the twenty season and I think the rams even though they've had some bad games and I don't know what happened to gets forty niners I. think There are a playoff team for sure and I think there are a factor in the plan we'll dig down on Chicago and his sick but I on L. A. Frank. What did you see from them less than? Know. It's weird. They kind of remind me of some of those better New England teams they've got a terrific defense especially upfront. They could dominate again with our Donald and remember to special teams. We nobody likes to talk about it. But how about with Johnny Hecker did last night with five punts inside the line that's like a bill belichick special. So they have the right combination, a good enough offense and certainly a great defense but hold on a second you compare them to those better New England teams, the Dynasty of the National Football League for the LET'S S reject. Go Ahead Jackie please respond to Mr I. Sola. Yes sure Jared Goff Tom Brady you know six six. Boy Go in the roadway. To me, this is so much about Chicago, Tony and the ineptness of the offense I mean they can't run the ball. They don't protect Nick foles particularly. Well, Nick foles his numbers have been worse than trubisky everybody wanted to blink trubisky for all the Chicago bears offensive woes and yet he's out and they're still not winning it to me. It's so much about the ineptness of the Chicago. Let's talk about that. Then the bears were five and two. Or two and five. There's Brian Greasy August. Game last night. Did you hear this listen to this? Talking to Nick foles yesterday and he said sometimes play calls come in. I know that I don't have time to execute that play call and you know on the one out here hidden sometimes the the guy calling the plays Matt Nagy he doesn't know how much time there is back here and so that's something that they have to work down. That is a nuclear bomb guys. Foale says it's a miscommunication. He would never say anything like that. But fleeing the way the offense play Clinton Gates could that be true and what does it mean? I'm shocked shocked the fish ICAGO bears are having problems communicating with their quarterbacks during. Games. But the point Jackie made is exactly what I was saying month ago, which is that if you switch to this guy now it's not injury it's just performance the. Handpicked Guy the head coach and it doesn't work out. Next thing you know you've got a carousel going and that's exactly what you've seen with the office. They're not good. All right. The Red Zone percentage for touchdowns is fifty percent is forth worth in the league. They cannot punch it in and this shows exactly as evidence but what Greasy revealed on him when you heard Greasy, say what foles told him now once again, full sedatives communication which you think. It just didn't sound like something. Nick foles say to a room full of reporters with notepads in their hands are are on a zoom. Zoom. Cameras or anything else. So it did surprise me. That he's going to throw the coach under the bus like that. Clinton's right. The offense is a mess and you can't just go back to trubisky. The problem is you just don't have a lot of a lot of options a lot of weapons to Rick Owens not there they just don't have a lot of people go sold. When Nick foles says something like that. It's almost like he's saying you know Brian you and I are quarterbacks. You know sometimes these coaches call plays we know we're not gonNA work nipples surprised that she said that on the air. Look like that when you're watching the bears play that there are many plays doomed even before he gets it throwing the ball Jackie. I. Mean that that throw in the end zone they're driving down the field and they make that throw it in the end zone he's double covered and the ball gets tipped in it's intercepted that's the game right there I will say this falls explanation to me was pretty plausible to be honest what he was saying was that on the sidelines he's had that conversation with Nagy in real time that's entirely possible but I think we all agree he wasn't expecting Brian Greasy to go on the and talk about what they discussed them and you want to add. The the past protection just isn't good if they've been outscored by two points even though overall this season, even though they're five and two I thought they weren't overrated five and one team. Now they're in over eighty five and two in Calcutta show. I just wonder when the time comes players careful about saying this but that defense which is very good knows time is to. Have trouble try to carry that offense that usually causes a rift. Eleven. Twelve and then I saw and mcmullen with the big lead. Second break right here coming up is it possible Lebron James. NBA Players say December twenty two. The in February whether that's possible. Franken, we say that. Yes. I'm pretty sure our new house might be haunted. What makes you say that the furniture is levitating on the ghost welcome home that's that's spooky. What's really scaring? Missing out on Geico for help with homeowners and renters insurance guy who makes it easy to save a bunch grace? You're not sticking around by the bar is just getting started. A week call today and see how easy homeowners and renters insurance can be. Mom I think install I found an adequate curse and. Its eyes are just very lifeline can what does it head keeps spinning? Scary. Release Gary Missing out on GEICO's easy to use mobile APP. You can manage your vaco policy whenever Larry. Looks, play with another doll. We. Can just bury deepen the growth. Happy. gyco wing download the industry-leading GEICO APP today. Somewhere. In this play late touchdown for Tampa Sunday maybe with the block Gore or the Zip Brady put on the ball the way Chris Godwin landed he broke his finger he's having surgery on the finger this week he will miss time that something the team didn't know when they first started talking to Antonio Brown maybe now gives them some insurance how the team responded to questions about Brown Bruce Arians saying Brown has matured and left it at that and Brady. With the team Planning Tony Brown, he's the guy that you have familiarity with and a friendship with How is he doing and how would you describe his mindset? I'm not getting into personal conversation we've had together. So how much influence did you have in him coming here and how would you describe Antonio as a player and also as a person he said some disturbing allegations against him. had a lot of questions and they're answered. ooh Yates. BY SELL TAMPA BAY signing Antonio Brown. I'll sell this. Antonio Taveras Brown senior Timothy is not a person that I want on my football team because it was off the field problems never mind the fact that he's GonNa WanNa take a bunch of balls from a guy who's a hothead like Mike Evans I think that this is only because he's friends with Tom. Brady and this is even a consideration I don't think. I would say the only thing I would disagree with Clinton on is if the Chris Godwin injury lingers, he's not to be out very long if he is then then it's an addition that you it's worth the roll the dice but I disagree with the area in San Antonio Brown maturity has no idea if that's true. Brag. I, feel. I agree with Clinton on a lot of things. But on this one, there is indeed number one and also they are the Pitta me of a win now team with Tom Brady and the Tom Brady wants guess what. Jackie macmullan. Not Convinced as Antonio Brown guarantee wins or does and guarantee distractions. Here's the other thing to remember his sexual assault civil trial comes up in December. What if he has to leave the team for something like that? Fire sale to the browns without Odell Beckham Junior Sunday they scored thirty seven Cleveland's five and two, which is wildcard three, which gets you in the playoffs this year. Team. What is Cleveland Without Becca? What is Baker Mayfield without back? I STILL THINK CLEVELAND'S A playoff team. I can't explain why Baker Mayfield stats are not nearly as good with Beckham as they are with all the other. So for whatever reason, they never been on the same page. So it's not gonna be that great of a loss for now frank guy sold. Baker Mayfield completed twenty one straight passes after Odell Beckham left the game. Remember this. When Beckham is out there he's drawing a lot of attention which leaves other guys. Open coaches want great players out there they need. Jackie moment. I agree with frank the early numbers aside, you gotTa figure at some point they were gonNA find some connection. He's too talented. You just write off and say, Oh, he's not gonNA matter to us at all Baker Mayfield all sorts of help on the offensive end of the ball. He's walking a tightrope every week with people talking about his future on that team for crying out loud. To, finish the game well, Baker Reagan Mayfield did but however he started poorly, that was the second offense and play of the game, and that's the one that got injured on. So that stop news everybody's mental. This is incredible display middle name. Now from Clinton Yates, they don't know my love for middle names PTI especially Clinton Yates? The broad and other MBA players sit out the first month of the season or more. The Season Starts December twenty two Danny Green told the ringers NBA show podcasts on the ringer has an NBA show podcast that he thinks it's possible Lebron and others would do that. Frank. How did you hear day agreed say that? You know what Danny Green from the same town. But when I heard this Lebron remained james must be thinking Danny get my name. All the time as it is. I. Don't need you speaking on when or where I might play. Please me along well said freight you believe there's Edie Edie possible troop to though from daddy greedy think maybe her. December twenty second would be ring night for Lebron the twenty-fifth he'll play if any player in the League deserves load management. It's Lebron he's done enough played enough minutes in. Games he's the one guy. So in this case, you'd be paper. Jackie, the idea the season would restarting, which would be what two months after the end of the season for the Lakers and the heat is that too quick turnaround. Can you imagine the Bron- not Jimmy Butler. Jimmy. Bollywood. Play through whatever but Lebron Davis sitting up. It's a quick turnaround and I wouldn't blame them if they do load management those guys very early on the season playing a game. Have them cupcake take a couple of days off? I, mean this is coming up so fast. I. I'm sure it here's the thing though the players get paid if they started a certain date and they get more games at so there's financial. And that's why the body is. A whole is going to say, let's go forward with it. Oh so you would say the business end of this is going to overrule the players out of this. Well it's the players. Jimmy Munson. Yes Jimmy G. Buckets absolutely play these games with. Richard Green Junior needs to be speaking on his own name. Why are you talking about? Lebron get Outta here. 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Ep. 23  General Lori J. Robinson, Ret. General Lori J. Robsinson

Taking Her Lead

58:52 min | 5 months ago

Ep. 23 General Lori J. Robinson, Ret. General Lori J. Robsinson

"When you're a mom in you know you've given birth and you know you've done those things i think i think women can bring that to the table and they shouldn't shy away from that right. There's a time and a place for everything right. I mean when you're sitting down to provide courses of action to the secretary of defense to give to the president of the united states. Probably not the right time to cry right but but when you're when you're sitting back and you're saying goodbye to the people that for the last two years you've trusted you've given all your strength to. That's okay to be emotional. I never said. I was going to be the first at anything but when it happened i realized you know and i took it on while i might have been the first. I pray that i'm not the last. Hello listeners this is taking her lead. I am joshua. Everett mayor and i am janina cons lotto here. We strive to give women a platform to tell their stories and explain how they lead these conversations. Give us unique insights into the impact. Women in leadership can make in transforming the way we work live today. We have the truly incredible privilege of chatting with retired four star general. Laurie jay robinson general robinson is an amazing combination of tenacity ingaret yet she embodies self-awareness and mindfulness to date. She is the first and only woman to achieve a four star. General ranking in the us military general robinson. Retired from service as the commander of north american airspace. Defense command better known to us as norad. We're delighted to have our listeners. Have an opportunity to hear about her personal journey. She is an absolute joy to chat with. We laughed almost cried. Got schooled on excellent leadership at a very high level. After a few hours of chatting. I feel like. I have a new buddy. She wins you over. Quickly that charisma and the selflessness essential to it have solidified many important relationships for her without further ado please enjoy. Our guest retired four-star general. Laurie jay robinson on taking her lead. Laurie welcome to taking her lead. Well i can't even begin to tell you how excited i am. This is just awesome. This is just awesome. Yes we are delighted. Yes big yay absolutely. Thank you so. Laurie you up to. What are you working on right now. So a couple of things. You know doing a couple of these. Which i really really like and then doing some stuff with the air force which is a lot of fun and then you know participating in my board meetings and so it's such a diverse portfolio. If you will and i love that it stretches my brain makes me think differently in. It's just it's a blast. Is it giving you some freedom to be quote retired. I know you're yes but yeah no. So what. I what i really like actually. Is this traveling thing. I know it's horrid to say at like that just the opportunity to sleep in my bed get up in the morning workout. Take a shower. Put a put a nice shirt on and participated in a meeting. How wonderful is that. You know if real i mean in an you know the other thing that it's really allowed me to do is methodically. Put together the house. Yeah right it because all the all the previous moves in my entire life. You know we've moved in and okay two days later. You have to have a party right and so just the whole slowdown. I feel like i am retired. You know and i'm doing these things to keep my brain active. Yeah and i love him. Since the last time we spoke. I was interested in knowing like now that you're retired. You had a passion for leadership and bringing people along. I mean i just felt the swell of big heart. When i listen to you last time and i'm just interested in knowing where you are right now. In terms of that leadership development you were so committed. What let me just you. I mean the most important thing you can do teach people to be better than you and when you teach people to be better than you than you make the people around you better you know and So i've had the privilege to be. We have this thing in the military called capstone. And it's all our new one-star general officers and we have a couple of classes or there are a couple of classes throughout the year. And i got to spend two weeks with them as traveled yes. We traveled throughout the united states and Two different locations but just to be able to talk with them and talk to them about leadership and that now there are general officer in what that's gonna mean to them and how they're going to be perceived and how to take that on board right how to how to bring that into them because it's different all of a sudden the general right and and so how do you how do you learn from that. How do you learn to be the person at the end of the table right and so to spend two weeks with them and you know at first. They're always release shy right. Oh she's a retired four-star right but at the end of the day. You're still a human being and you. They are too bright and and and so they are. They're human being in your human being in all you're trying to do is is make them better than you ever were You know i. I'm going to plead ignorance on my knowledge of the military. So and there may be some others out there like me. If if you're a one-star general how big is your connection or your network. Are there like of them. A handful of them. Can you give me a little context. About how many people. yeah yes. So a one star general. I don't have the exact numbers but it's a very small. So so a very small percentage of people become one stars and then as you go from one start at to star smaller yelling and three and four star smaller yet so your network is typically the people that you grew up with right and i say that you know from the time you went into the military till that time so the folks that i had the privilege to be one-star with i was a captain with no and you know so so we know each other late and i mean i can't even begin to tell you i. There is some A guy by the name of General todd wolters and he currently is still active duty. He is the supreme allied commander of europe. And he would be somebody. I would call and go. Hey magoo that was his call sign magoo. What do we do you know. Or what can you give me some advice because the higher you get the lonelier it becomes leadership is you know it is fairy lonely. It's your call sign just carrying out. We have to have to know. So i have to so my husband. My husband's called. He's dave robinson and his call. Sign was dab rob. So i was up so i'm low rob or the other call sign. I am as law. L. a. w. and that stands for loud ass woman law laying down the law exact laying down the law. Exactly will many many many many years ago. Obviously because much of my journey was in operating camps it really intensive places for people with severe medical conditions fridge fragility and developmental delays and so in the capture addition you get a name and it is just like having a handle and you don't choose it right. Oh no you don't choose it. It is bestowed upon you. And so i ended up liking mind. But the the the process for it'd be named was freely and so i became. Ironman is iron man. Oh it's great. I'm adventures fit. I think we could compete with j. Lo we could call you. Rob lowe jaylo. You can have all kinds of john matthias indeed. It is funny and josh. You're exactly right you don't pick they pick for you. Yeah you know and so anyway but because we had these bonds as young ones when you're now a one star two star you know i mean and you call and you go. I need some help. I need advice and you depend on your brothers and your sisters for that. it's an emotional bond. Any i mean. I can't even begin to tell you i feel like i know that from being new grads with certain nurses and when we were in the icu and back in the day when we were really challenged by trying to keep you know conju patients with congenital heart disease alive and we felt like we were in the trenches. We went through tragedy together with these parents. And and that bonds you in a way that People won't understand unless they were working night shift with you on those harrowing nights when your your heart's being wrenched out of your chest and you have to keep it together and take care and be smart and critical thinkers and all those things right. The that's exactly right exactly. There are bonds that nobody elisha experience. It together not gonna get crab not going to get it. It's not something you can convey no by nature. No right yeah right. I feel way about my childhood trends. Two people that i grew up with from a small town in ohio there. I don't have to explain anything to them. They get it right off the bat. You don't have to see him for twenty years and you can. Yeah we'll laurie. I'd like to first some context. You've had quite the career journey and i and struggles and trials and triumphs and all of it. We let some context for a bit of your career journey. Kind of what you start it and live in the middle and where you last were would love to tell that story. i mean so. I mentioned tea beforehand. I sent a picture to my father of niece sitting on his lap. When i was ten months old. And i looked at that in and i thought that little girl right there had no idea what was in store for. You know that that little girl is sitting there clapping. Her hands with their dad and was just happy that both hands can find each other right. So i'm the oldest of five from the oldest to the youngest is six years old. Yea wow oldest. Yeah and my my mother. God bless her ppac and heart. You know my dad joined the air force so as a kid. All i knew was moving every two or three years right. I know nothing different. Every every new place was an adventure. I mean you know my mother. Guess what we get to go. Do guess where we're going to go. I mean my mom and dad. It's all positive right. I lived in. France and england learnt how to ski germany. You know i mean. I watch the changing of the guards at buckingham palace through the you know the pipes. They're looking at it. It was great. I have the most amazing childhood i love. I love my childhood but my dad said. Laurie is looking oldest. He's got five kids. Why don't you think about going to the air force. Academy and i looked at him and i said dad. I've been in the air force for eighteen years now. You're you're a veteran now. Yeah no no. I'm not gonna do it in so i ended up going to the university of new hampshire. Because that's my state was my state of residence because that's what my parents were born and raised And my grandparents were there my aunt relatives and all that because my parents were getting ready to move back overseas and halfway through you know. I wanted to teach what i really wanted to do. But they said you're going to have to get a masters and i'm like yeah. I'm done with the school crap. So i said well i'm just going to join. Rotc and go into the air force out do that for a couple years and colleague good right exactly exactly so when i got my duty assignment. The guy was in charge. He and my father knew each other. And i think my father was the best man in his wedding and he said to me. Oh yeah he said to be laurie. You need to get out of this assignment. And i need to call your father. I said i'm not calling my dad. And i'm not getting out of this assignment. What i didn't know is how much i was gonna love what i did so i you guys are people that are old enough that no top gun if you think about at the end of it where the guys looking at the radar scope and telling the pilots. The bad guys are. That's what my job was. I loved it. I loved it and i was a student and an instructor at our air. Force's top gun by as better than navy topgun air force weapons school and i just loved it in so i loved what i did but more importantly i loved being part of the air force and i didn't know that that would that would strike me the way that it did. And what did she. How did sorry. Oh it's because there's a part of. I was a part of a team bright. I was a part of this amazing team. We would start the day of briefing up what we were going to do. They would go fly. And i would sit on the scope and then they would come back and we would debrief and every time it was. How do we make ourselves better than we were the day before or earlier today. The next time we go do this together. How are we better. That's what i loved. It was a part of a great team and I was the first woman instructor at the fighter. Weapons school out. At nellis air force base in las vegas and all these guys thought they were my big brother. It was wonderful. And i got to be a part of a part of them and then i had great. I had a great bosses out there and that's probably where i really bolted or understood about this. We had a one star. Boss say to us. You're part of something bigger than yourself. And i was like what the hell the me and then as time went on i realized it actually wasn't about me. It was about the institution which goes back to making those people better than me so over time. You know i was totally blessed with great Folks that put me in places that they wouldn't put a woman they wouldn't put a non fighter pilot And at the end of my career as the commander pacific air forces in the commander in colorado both of my bosses such choose the right person she just happens to be a woman and which is the way. It should be right and So i could go in-depth but those are kind of the big things that just i learned so early an an and i learned about how to be a better person over time and and then to have by leaders have trust and confidence in me. It put me in places. If i reflect back something that i think that you said. That's really important for people to here is. It's not about you. it's about the institution. And so i if that's the case and and i agree with you then you have to believe in the institution. Are you have to be working in a way that aligns with your core values your identity. How you see yourself is part of that context because if you don't believe in the institution that you're working for you'll never get that feeling. That's exactly right. I mean you are exactly correct. And that's the thing that i think i really you know so as a dependent right i was a daughter of a dad was a pilot. You know and. I was a daughter of airmen okay. It's a lifestyle which i loved but when you become a part of it and then over time when you have the privilege to shape it you know an and you can stand up and i can't even tell you how many times i would stand up and say i am a proud airman and i was so proud to be a part of that team And but you're right you have to believe in it and you have to believe in what it is they do each and every day but more importantly if the national command authority asks you to do something that you ready to go do it in that you can provide training all those kind of things to be a part of that and proud to stand up. I mean i served in oman. I served in saudi arabia. You know i was you know. Did all those things and at the end of the day to be able to carry the flag and say this is what we believe in and be a be an airman. Part of that was huge. It was huge alignment with your values. Oh exactly exactly the corvallis goofy exactly. So can you share one conflict or one obstacle or one point in your life where it might have been hard that you had to second guess yourself that it just didn't come easily or there is a moral quandary. How how do you get past because there's also competition for your time and attention in terms of family and you know what you want personally and yet still serving the military because people have been women of influence are constantly in that struggle Of how much do you give. So i'll say a couple of things and then we can dive back if i don't get to what you want. The first thing is you have to realize if you're going to be the first of something then you have to understand. You're going to be the first limit. Give you a great example. When i was nominated to be the commander fourth star and be the commander of pacific air forces. you know not any different than any administration typically thinks float out there just to see if there's anything you know known and so my nomination had kind of been. Oh you know it's looking like lori. Robinson is going to be the commander of pacific air forces right so i was coming from baltimore back to washington. Dc and my sister called me and she was an absolute tears. And i said what's wrong and she said. Do you hear what they're saying about you. And i said i don't know what you're talking about. She said if you've seen the the article in the blogs that i go do carol i have no idea. Well the blogs you know. Obviously she didn't sleeper way to the top cushy. So effing ugly. How how is she going to make a decision when she's menstruating. Thank goodness thank goodness you know. She's got a fighter pilot as her operations officer. You know so you know so that and and so you know the engine wanted to go lower. You have to write an article in need to push back. And i said no. I'm not gonna push back for two reasons one. Would you push back. It just extends the conversation. Yeah yeah it foments exactly but the other is. I don't want to do this to my family. They can say they can say whatever they want about me. I don't care but not my husband not my children. My grandchildren my dad not my siblings. You know so so when you when you're going to be the first at something you have to figure out how you're going to deal with these kinds of issues right and so for me. It was like okay. It is what it is. And i'm going to go do this. The other part is this notion of balancing family right The notion of balancing family to me is is one of those things. If you have a partner spouse you know significant other you know hoti the two of you talk about that and then you know if you have children you know how. How does all of that work because It it just can't be on one person or another. It has to be a team event. In fact one of the things that i talk about david and i talk about all the time. We don't say it's david robinson it's team robinson in in team robinson you know figure out how to do these things so we figured it out over. Time wasn't always perfect and it wasn't always pretty but you learn right so when you heard those comments that you you event you ultimately took the approach of not going to respond. Not going to know validate what they're same buyer response. They can think what they wanna think. And i'm going to move forward in this Was there a point. At which did they do. Those words hurt did they. Did you at any point. Say i is there any validity to what they're saying. Is there any of that in there. Maybe there wasn't. I'm just curious. No so you know. These are people that didn't even know me they. They don't even know who i am. They don't know let's go back to what you said. They don't know my core values right. They don't know that. I have children and grandchildren right. They don't know what i've done in my life and so you know to sit there and validate anything that they said. I wasn't going to do it. And again when my nomination came out To go to colorado springs. I sent an email to my family. Remember what happened last time. Please don't leave the blogs. just just right. It is what it is and they are they are. I do have another question about being i just. If you were really to dig deep when did you know you were going to be the. I like the first anything like what. What about your upbringing. Who you are. When did you know. I'm going to be the first first of something. I don't think so couple of things i would say. I don't think i ever thought about that. As i was growing up when i was the oldest. I'm the oldest so us who are hers. Yes right. I mean my parents heat some responsibility on me. You know i was the example. Lower your the example. You're the first. You're the oldest. You're the example. And i think it's from that over time if i had to take a minute and look back at it. You know because they expected me to be the example for my siblings. You know. I think that is just something that has transcended over time. You know i so. I have a brother. That's a year younger than i am. A brother that was two years younger than i am. He passed away in two thousand and six. But he and i were oh he and i were. He's just he's incredible houston incredible young man and then my brother four years younger. My sister five But he and. I went to university of new hampshire for year together and it was just. It was wonderful but my brother that was that is a year younger than i am. He went to the air force academy and In the second brother after awhile went to the air force academy put up this one year. My brother came to visit by the two of us at university of new hampshire and on his way back to the academy. A lot of stuff happened and my parents were living in europe at the time. My father called me and he goes. Do you know where your brother is like really. He's grown man. he's like he's like lori seriously. Do you know where your brother is. I said no. I dropped him off at the airport. That's the last you know. So so that responsibility. Has i think i shoulder that and i think janine over time that just was on my shoulders time and i i never said i was going to be the first at anything but when it happened i realized it you know and i took it on and i tried to make sure while it might have been the first pray that i'm not the last yeah Yeah wow talk about your last job off. It's the hardest thing i've ever done. It's the hardest thing i've ever done. It's so important in my testimony for my confirmation hearing. I said there is no greater thing that anybody could ever do but defend the homeland and in the air domain the homelands between the united states and canada. There's no greater thing but it. It was hard but it was so fulfilling. You know to know that. What you're doing is taking care of every single person out there and making sure i i say all the time i did the other day an interview and i always either start or end with i had the privilege to support defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. And i pour true faith in allegiance to the same and i took that obligation food. I did what i did for thirty seven years so our united states of america could do it. They do because we need them to do what they do. And so while it was difficult and it was. It wore me out. I was exhausted. I had no idea until i retired or at least i didn't have a phone on my chest or a phone in the other room. How exhausted i was. It was so fulfilling because it was part of no kidding something bigger than myself. Don't go together though they do they do they do. So what did you. What did you look like day to day. So i'll i'll give you a clip and time so in the fall of twenty seventeen is when we had what irma harvey and maria. Right so i was responsible to provide unleash active duty capabilities to support governors right so that clip and time time was what's going on you know i would start in the morning Go through my morning meetings and then i always had a phone call with all my subordinate commanders. To make sure that they were getting what they needed because secretary mattis's whatever laurie beats. She's going to get talk about a huge leader. That man is incredible but and then the meetings through the afternoon that would only be interrupted by. You know the fact that kim jon but maybe he would you know practice shooting missiles and and so you know between those two things i would usually get into work between seven. Fifteen is seven thirty and i would typically leave for thirtyish. Because if the boss doesn't leave nobody leaves right right. It is huge in so. I knew if anybody needed to find me. They can find me at my house. Trust me you know. And and so. I had to leave so they would leave And and then depending upon what would happen. There were nights. I sat with my cellphone on my chest Out on the couch. Because i wanted them to call me on my cell phone i in the micoud get to my other phones that i needed to get to Because i didn't want to disturb my husband And so it was twenty four hours a day seven days a week. Yeah it but again. I had a great staff. I had phenomenal subordinate commanders. That allowed me what i called. I would do what. I called up an out right so i would worry about The hill i worried about the press worried about the pentagon. I worried about the white house i worried about all those things to let my subordinate commanders. Worry about what was happening on the ground. I provide guidance. And let them go do and that. I would make sure that they had the space on the time to do it. So one of the things that i hear and that is really tuning into your sense of purpose your values but also kind of lining up your team and having them understand their sense of purpose and what their contribution to the team is when you're working in isolation you know or if the team doesn't function in line up it's really hard to do what you you're doing And i think about this all the time in people's work world the biggest strike. They have is not being able to lineup the team. You know And i hear that in your story that you were allowed to do what was meaningful work because everyone around. You is sort of Tuned into what their contribution was on board. Well it's up to meet it. Provide that right. So it's it's so let's go back to the conversation about teaching the one stars being everyone at the head of the table right so what i would tell them. You're now at the head of the table. And what you do in say how you act and react. Everybody's watching now fishbowl. Exactly so if you want to you know guillot somebody after the first slide. Do you think they're gonna show you the second slide. No so you know. I learned over time to listen. Listening is one of the values. I think that people don't think about. But i learned over time to allow people to say anything. They wanted to say in really. What i wanted to do is disagree with me. What i wanted them to do is tell me something that i might not particularly like everybody wants. To tell the boss the good stuff but the fad ugliest. What's really important right. Do because it's the bad and ugly that you can make the difference so i set the tone and the tenor right. And so if. I want to set the tone and the tenor for team then i have to. I have to allow them to say that. I will tell you one of the one of the folks that work for me. A guy by the name of admiral phil davidson. He's currently the indo pay com commander right so he is the combat commander in hawaii and he has a huge job in his job when he worked for me one of his many hats he had at the time for him to be on the phone every day. When we had the phone call was huge. It was just huge. But i needed to hear what he had to say in all my subordinate commanders. Were always there every day and we had great dialogue. And i did mostly listening and then say what do you need me to do to help you to do your top so i have another question just yes may speak and you know remember. I'm in healthcare so there are things that there's a a rigor to the military just like. There's a rigor to taking care of critical care patient. And so i'm very few times in my life that i'm aware of but That do happen is serendipity or divine intervention an or being in the right place right time listening to the universe in some way and recognizing that something big has just happened and you just happen to grab it do. Do you know that. Feeling that i'm talking about. Has that happened to. So i i. I'll say it differently. When i took over as the commander of pacific air forces and then when i took over as the commander of north common. Us norad and us north com. Indoor add you stand on the stage right in the flag goes from person previous to you and gets handed to you by your boss and then you around and you look out and there's typically a salute that happens and i just remember standing there both times being so emotional and so amazed at the privilege that i got to do those things so i would never say grabbed something that i would say. I was so amazed at what i was doing and blessed and looking out there would take my breath away It's that just rate it's yes. Oh exactly it's not all it's that it's that part where you go pinch me. Is this really happening because something bigger is yes yes yes. It's so two things. I would say so both on both commands ibn. I being were amazing. So we always have a prayer at at these changes of command and The the chaplain that did The prayer in the pacific said sh while she might be the first. You know that. That's you know josh. Also the corporate she she might be the first but she's not but she's the right person you know there's something in there like that and then secretary carter. Would he did his speech. He never mentioned that. I was the first which. I was grateful right. Because i didn't want it to be about me. Being the first. I wanted it to be about me being the right person right right. Earning it. earning it. You'd made a couple of comments in line with sounds like pressing the your a thorny out to your staff and retaining the responsibility yes for the show but yes more and more giving giving giving is that yes with what. You're absolutely i mean. At the end of the day. I was responsible right so i had to provide guidance and i needed the staff and the subordinate commanders to execute. But if something went wrong at the end of the day. It's on me. And i took that seriously and i think it's so important when you're commander your commander in you're in charge and endure. You're the one that has to say. Okay i'm in charge. And i'm grateful and when you get praise you give it to the folks that work for you when when things go bad. You take that on board that chores to do another question laurie. Because yes ma'am gene has a couple. Yeah writing for this conversation for looks now i really wanna learn from you i. I'm i'm i'm humbled that you'll have this conversation with us of course You know in health care with the whole dynamic between quality and we're always trying to say that psychological safety comes from powering over people. And and so whenever i go out with my husband and he gets call dr linski. I'm like he's stephen outside the hospital like you know because that whole thing when when is it okay to not call you to general robinson anymore. Like people get to say. Hey laurie and because there's a lot written about power distance screw question and people feeling like they know you and being a in with you had do you that in still be called general robinson because i think the surgeon and the or has the exact same challenge. Yeah yup i think that's yeah so it's really fascinating so let me So i mentioned to you earlier about the one-star general That was said to be in in my husband. Quite frankly you know you're part of something bigger than yourself right. And he was a one star at that time and he ended up being the chief of staff of our united states. Air force. Huge mentor of mine. And my husband and I'm on board. Because he's on a board and he said more needs to be on this sport. Do you think. I call him his first name. Absolutely not I could never call him by his first name ever. I could never now but everybody else on. The board calls him bias. I name all the other boards. That i'm on some of the other things that are i'm doing outside of the military. Call me by the first name. But they're in the military. I'm still general robinson a and in in some ways you know you've earned that right In in in in other ways you go well. I'm laurie now and they smile. You know somebody said well. Why don't you call him. You know i'm not gonna say his name. But why don't you call him pete and i'm like yeah no way that's not happening. And because it's a respect right it's out of total utter respect because not an hour differential. No no i respected him and and a forever and he's a mentor. So i i would say janine. The way i break it up is people that did know me. As general robinson call me oriented a bother me for one. Second but people that in the military especially. I'm still general robinson if that make sense at all oh yeah yeah and i and i. I agree that you've done something so tremendous in your career that the title with it is just. It is a sign of respect and i i guess the. That's the struggle that we have in health care is how do you respect the surgeon at the helm or the doctor at the helm and still be vulnerable enough to be able to say. Hey i'm worried about this. I'm worried about that and there's research to show. I mean this is in the checklist. Manifesto that when everyone's on a first name basis the patient safer. Yeah i guess. The only thing i would say is that titles are interesting. But not compelling right. It's it's the human that is important. Yes you know and so as a human you know you can call me general. You can call me laurie. You call me law. You can call me. Laura but at the end the end of the day humanity is. What's really important. Yes by ability to connect independent of title. Independent of name is the most important part in so feel it. I love it if we allow titles names to get in the way of our humanity and then we've got a bigger prey have you have. You always felt ie's and capacity for vulnerability as a leader or is that something you learned. So i'm a myers briggs baby and i'm an es tj raging e. Really i could you tell. Isn't that the martial. What's what's the the you know. They have titles like the architect. The innovator isn't the es tj the marshall probably the anal taipei overachiever control-freak. That's what i say right. I always stand up in some of the audiences you know. I'll say how many of you are anal type. A overachiever control freaks. You know and people raise their hand. Exactly that's me. I mean that's your we are. But here's what i show my emotions on my sleeve. I have no problem standing up in talking to people and having my voice crack i have no problem in fact A couple of places that. I've been when i leave. There always have a farewell. And then there's the official change of command the farewell a lot of times. The folks that work for me would have oprah under bet on how long it would take me to cry. But that's a big deal. It is a big deal. And i had in fact. I spoke to the daughters of american revolution a couple of years ago. Break break and then I did a podcast or something. And somebody said i heard you speak at the daughters of american revolution in your voice cracked. Does it bother you to be emotional like that and it does not at all. because we're human beings full reign yes and allows people to know you and yes you're feeling and therefore feel comfortable with you because now they know you're not hiding exactly you're gonna love this at a senior staff person. Most of my part of the reason. Why i'm doing. This is most of the people that i'm played for women and i had a senior staffers and come into my office and one just in tears and the first thing ever mouth was. I'm so sorry. I'm so i'm crying. I said no. No no apologized for that. And i backed off. It wasn't that intense for the time but still a minute. What you're saying. Well it's it's important. I mean can you. So i ended up talking at a memorial when i was an o. Six commander out at tinker for space. And i had a double homicide suicide happened. I spoke at the memorial. Can you imagine if i stood up there and was stoic. And and in in looking at the mother of these children and not empathizing or you know wanting her to know. I'm a mother to right. I might be colonel. Robinson or whatever. But i'm a mother too and i care about what happened to you and your life you know i mean that to me is so important they need to know and in fact i talk all the time about our families. Our families our families do each and every day to allow our members to go do what they do is herculean. It's unbelievable it is hercule and it's so same in the health industry right you know when you when your dad or husband or whatever it is or wife is a surgeon or is on call. I mean my sister in law her husband doctor and when he's on call he's on call but it's the families that support all of that surround all of that it's herculean. Many of our guests have talked about their families. And how it's all been and you refer to your family teamwork and the strength of the family just like the strength of a professional team. Can you talk a little about how you guys have done it all well. It hasn't been particularly easy So you know. My husband's a fighter pilot. He flew for the thunderbirds. Red white. blue jets. Yes because he was fighter pilot. I always assumed that he would be the one that would kind of lead the way and i. Eventually i'd get out do so. We were living in hawaii at the time. The first time we lived in white. And i was a captain and he was a major and they were going to send him to korea and be to okinawa japan. And we're like. Yeah that's just not going to work and i said to my husband. I said well that's fine. You're going to be general officer. I'm not so. Why don't i get out and you stay in at. He smiled sweetly. he said. And what would you do if you got out. And i was like well. And he's right. I don't know and he goes. Why don't you stay in for the airlines to the reserves. And so that decision made i stayed in and he went and flew airlines for about the next twelve years. Ish we would always say to the air force we're maurice assignment it. David will work everything around. that can. yeah. I mean. Wherever i lived he had a job that was close or he could fly for the airlines. Out of a hub close but for the most part you know we we would see each other on the weekends and we finally got together where he i was in. Dc he had his reserve job in dc and then he flew out of baltimore bwi. I said to him you'll laugh one of the first weeks we were together. I said hey sweetie just so you know. I actually don't cook during the week anymore. Has he was like overly over the weekend. I'll cook enough and then we'll just figure out how. Come my personal philosophy. I don't cook during the weekend. Exactly and so and so the interesting part was learning to be together as much right in our kids were grown and gone and so it was just he and i it but it was good. I mean it was really good. So i have to know what would be your advice to your younger self or our listeners. Who are kind of still rising in their career and want to be better leaders. What's your advice to them. So here's what i would say first of all. Listen listen listen. I was mouthy i mean i in fact i again. I was talking to a cup. I'm doing another thing. you know. Being a senior mentor in a couple of other things. And i was on with some of the guys that i grew up with right and they were telling stories about when they first met me and one of them said one of them said. Oh i told the guys that. I flew with before you talk to her. Talk to be because she's gonna just rip your face off. And i thought oh my gosh i guess i was really mouthy mouthy but that's okay right. I mean you've got there's some level of that starts that i would say yeah i would say listen. Listen listen here's the most important thing i would say. Be true to yourself. take a moment. listen to yourself every day and be true to yourself and know in your heart what you want. No you know it in and follow where that goes. You know so simon sinek and i are very good friends and if you read start with why I'm a chapter in his book into one of the things he did was talk to me about me. He said your job is to create a path for others to follow. I would sit back. And i would go. I've learned that. Not from him as much but i did learn more about that but listening to myself being true to myself in in in making sure that what i did every day represented who i thought i should be So if you put that an emotional intelligence terms that's like step one is self reflection self awareness. Right it's like really knowing yourself in diving deep right and for you to say hey you know i might have been loud and in the beginning. Is you learning to regulate your voice. Right i mean right. Exacly awareness and then self-regulation. I you're exactly right janine. Here's what i would say. I learned over time. Live voice was important. So i learned over time how to regulate that so that when i spoke it meant something that people weren't going. Oh well there. She is screeching again right. You know data yada yada learning how to be heard right not just heard but understood and proud to hear what she has to say right. Yeah what do you do for fun. Oh i loved the sun. My husband always calls me. You know he loves the. I love laying out. I mean to me. The sun is like this this. Is this amazing. This was probably one of the harder parts about colorado is that it got so dark so fast you know and then it was cold right. And so to be able to like janine. I told joshua oliver of our rooms in our house face south so the sun goes from the left to the right in fact there oh it is in in so the sun is there and we have chairs in. I just love to sit there in the sun. I mean is so into it is soak it but it's so inspirational it's quiet bite. Would you say. And i just want you to shoot from the hip are unique qualities if you think are unique qualities that women bring to leadership i think one of the most important qualities i think women would allow themselves to do it. Isn't this emotional intelligence part. I think you know just because of society right. i'm not trying to save. Men can't be emotional. best not what. I'm trying to say. But what i'm trying to say is you know when you're mom and you know you give birth and you know you've done those things. I think. I think women can bring that to the table and they shouldn't shy away from that right. There's a time and a place for everything right. I mean when you're sitting down to provide courses of action to the secretary of defense to give to the president of the united states. Probably not the right time to cry right. Yeah but but when you're sitting back and you're saying goodbye to the people that for the last two years you've trusted you've given all your strength to. That's okay to be emotional. You know. that's okay you know. I think i think that to me is one of the things that i have reflected over time that i know i'm different and that i'm able to stand up and have my voice crack and i'm okay with at Powerful it is. That's really powerful. It really is so just say so in my chain of command leaving colorado. The guy that took over for me took over for me in the pacific. So i knew him. You know we've known each other. He worked for me. But i had. I had to introduce secretary mattis as he was going to give his remarks an i. My voice cracked introducing secretary mattis because of everything he had done and what he had done for me as a leader. And that's okay okay. Hey it's it is it is. Yeah what do you hope for the future of women in leadership. I here's what i think is amazing. I'm so impressed about how our country has evolved over these last few years taking about diversity and inclusion thinking about you know not just gender diversity or racial diversity but background and experiences but as i watch you know and i see through it doesn't matter what whether it's you know folks in the military whether it's politicians whether it's hollywood you know. The voice is becoming louder and louder that's important. What's more important to me is that more people are listening. I want women to continue to be vocal. And i encourage everybody to listen to and uh-huh General robinson has such an easy style. Which makes her so approachable. I was touched by her dedication to the military as a lifelong example of loyalty to our values and what she truly believes in she is a person with a purpose front and center steeped in biding devotion to serving the country almost from birth. He has so much wisdom in his accomplished so much. And yet when you talk to. Her is like talking to a good friend over drinks burger. Can you fall in. Like with someone i think so. I think i just did jenna. Robinson brings such care and charisma playfulness along power should brings the wisdom that you referred to and she is highly strategic always a few steps ahead the smartest person in the room and she leads by giving the authority away and she does that very relational way. She's my kind of leader. Taking her leads episodes. Drop every second tuesday. If you like what you hear please subscribe rate and review the show on the platform of your choice. Doing this increases global exposure to the show. Your support in this way helps us. Continue to make a difference. Please share taking her lead. Podcast with your network. Your support of the show takes us closer to our goal of creating a wide reaching platform for women in leadership to show their unique stories. You can write a review or share your reactions to our guests at taking her. 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Positive vs. Negative NBA Scouting Reports. Plus Robert Horry on the Lakers' First-Round Exit, Vintage Hawks, and Finals Stories.

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Positive vs. Negative NBA Scouting Reports. Plus Robert Horry on the Lakers' First-Round Exit, Vintage Hawks, and Finals Stories.

"So who was better akeem chef king was better. Shack was more dominant but king was better. You'll be expand. Yeah i do art so go ahead expand on that. I think as far as talent i think dream had more talent. He shack at hands but dream had a little bit better. Hand is dream construct freak those we all know by though he had a fadeaway shot which is just as group streets dunk on you and just you know. Get you out a way and i think that is the difference. Was dream had a little bit of strength. He could go a pal around. Think about even begins. Patrick ewing strong guy. David robinson strong guy. You know what i mean about. Shaq was more dominant the sense that he could just dream. Dunk on you. He was gonna shake you out. Japan initiative fadeaway or he might dunk on your foot. Is that difference that made that separated when he was in orlando. He had a little bit more finance but as he got older he got bigger and stronger. He just knew what to do. He says i'm just going to drop step you dunk on you. Hit you. Jump in these things so he was dumped it because of the strength and power in dream was just a little bit better because he's finesses power. That's robert ory taken team over shack. Brennan talk worry about his rings and whether or not he should be in the hall of fame and in nba scouting report. Exercise where i do a self scattering before and life advice. This episode is brought to you by captain morgan. All star arguments trades. Who's going to end up on. Top of the league standings no matter the game or the debate. You always wanna sub in something. That's fun the same goes for drinks. Switch it up. And in the captain. Visit captain morgan. Dot com to find captain near you drink responsibly. Captain morgan originals. From premium caribbean run was spice and other natural flavors. Thirty five percent alcohol by volume. Captain morgan rum company. New york new york this episode of the ryen russillo. Podcast is brought to you by pizza. Hut over sitting down because the edge from pizza. Hut is back. That's right no time for crust just toppings and flavor all the way to the edge of a beautiful large pizza pie was sixteen square cut slices. A slew of toppings in custom seasoning. Blend of garlic parmesan read and basil. Every bite is the best bite all for twelve order for contactless delivery or curbside pickup on the pizza hut app or at pizzahut dot com. No one out-pizzas. The hut prices hired some locations limited time only not available with deals additional charge for extra cheese and additional toppings product availability participation availability of contact curbside and delivery areas. Charges minimums very delivery. Charge is not a tip. I want to start. Today's pod about something that i've been kicking around as an idea because i think it applies to everything and that is if you look at how we could talk about. Everyone certainly with athletes in this case the nba playoffs. You've talk yourself into you can talk yourself out of an athlete. I've done this. Numerous times have used it examples. But i want a go deeper on this because i started thinking who has the highest approval rating. Not just in the nba. I'm talking about life like who would be the person you go. You know you don't hear a lot of negativity about that guy. If that guy posts something or she posts something like who seems just everybody sort of in i think beyond say had a really good run there for a while Maybe not as high now. But i think the peak thing and then it's kinda like i'm a mom what's up. People really seem to be into that. I think the rock is another one. You don't hear a ton about. I just think everybody likes the rock. He's done a great job and when you run into them as i have once at work you know elite feeling better about yourself because the rock was just he was cool It seems to be genuine. So i don't think that there's many times you could sit there like i don't know how good is he's an actor you know i don't know i don't know the catalog enough to be negative about it. I'm five percent fearful of it. But i was thinking about it for a couple of players because as we go through this playoff season and i've done this before i wanted track like each story. I remember one time. There was a chance that lebron was going to have to play dwayne wade in the first round of the playoffs. That's that could really be something there and yelich widely that team's not that good and it's lebron. So why why would he be worried about. Flying is understanding the point like the way we will look at the results and it kinda changes the way we feel about a player for the off season and then that next season hangover because of an early exit or an incredible run. I mean jimmy. Butler is a really good example of this where i like jimmy butler. I've never really thought he's a top ten guy and hard of migos. Is he difficult or was he right about the minnesota team probably Actually he definitely was. He was right about the philadelphia guys. Yeah there's probably some stuff there that you could say jimmy butler was right about but then they have that run and then you go okay now my supposed to just think jimmy butler is a top five guy and this guy's incredible and he had a really good year this year too so he's all nba on top of everything else and they lose in the first round that miami teed had all sorts of problems but then i could write this. I want to be really nasty and negative about butler. I could and i know i've been critical times while also complimentary which is what i like to do. I mean i could do this about myself right if i were a scalp scouting me writing about me. If i wanted positive i could say And i did. This will outworked. Everyone has no ceiling for himself. Holds himself to a higher standard work than others will hold him to cares. Thinks of others won't get married until he thinks he's a good fit likes to compete has to compete has to make himself feel uncomfortable. Every few years adaptable can work with guys. Like simmons van pelt going part of my take an whoa jr and still be able to hang works well with others if you are as committed now. If you want to trash me i could do that. one too. What the fuck with this guy cool. He works hard. What about the rest of his life confident but to confident changes relax. Does anyone like him does he. Like anyone is the single thing. Red flag is it that no one can stand him. Competes it what lifting cool we've heard about it. Does he know it's over. He's not going to play for any teams as vp show was all svp. He benefited from that a few complaints from co workers. I mean i know which one i like better and you know the complaints thing about co workers. Usually those are the people that were the laziest so that was never gonna work out. I mean that's that can happen now. I mean think about chris. Paul if anthony davis doesn't her. I think the lakers win that series. Chris paul's out in the first round. And then it's dump on chris paul time and instead he goes for what he goes. Six for six thirteen points in the fourth quarter completely takes over dominates game on were. There was a time where he didn't take a corner three in the game and on now as he's still hurt like how did you not take that three. He got rid of it immediately and then it was like oh i i think he's good is the best. He's looked a couple of weeks but it would been very very different and he still has a chance to disappoint because most of the star players end up disappointing. Jaanus is on that path janas on that path to. Nobody's going to want to to vouch for this guy. You know what. I mean other than bucks fans were. You have to admit in a moment of honesty. You're like wait. Is there something wrong here now. There's clearly something wrong. And the rest of the team is exactly killing either and the biggest thing that could be happening right now z. Sitting here a few weeks being like why did any of us ever doubt the brooklyn nets. And i think there are people that have been and i just wondered if it could all come together and without hardened it's horrifying and all the role players a terrific and everybody's doing everything and durant looks like he might be the best player in world. You get the point right depending on the day depending on the end of the series. How will we update your legacy. Because i could do the tom bill legacy with a bunch of nba stars. But i just thought it'd be pretty pointless to be like a paul's up Yokich down a booker up. A john astound middleton way down. All right you get the point. Lucas facing that like he's the free jaanus in a way because he's still show young and the first round playoff exits whatever. They weren't the better team. But i knew this would happen with janas unless you get out of the east finals. Appearance probably would have been good enough for him. But luca is the next guy you know jaanus winds mvp's because the guy that winds mvp's roles are going to hold to a higher standard. So let's do the exercise with luca. I let's be positive. I he's twenty two shootings improve. Every year. hasn't gotten past the clippers last to playoffs but dallas was clearly. The inferior team team needs to get better gets everyone involved though presumed has to get better to help them plays at his own pace. Total conference will be an mvp. Wanna be negative. Let's do it hasn't been out of the first round trae young has so's eight and from the same draft boss. I've actually heard people saying this. Like real people dallas too dependent on them thirty nine percent usage rate in the playoffs this year easily. The highest of any one of the playoffs yokich thirty five percent. Second regular season number two. The last two years in usage needs to get better at keeping teammates engaged. It's not just about the assists has a better job of getting presented. Going chant fall in love with a three was preseason be favourite. Came out of shape. What happened team falls apart. When he's not out there is that possibly because they are used to playing without him controlling every possession. How long before. He competes for the west I i'm all for like some hints at criticisms with but when you're twenty two you look like you're on the path here. I mean trying to come up with a top five players right now is ridiculous because yokich go win the mvp. And i don't even know if he's a top five player. And i've loved literally everything that i've seen from him eighties in a tough spot though. Anthony davis now especially in a lakers market. Which is entirely different than basically every other mark except for a couple and certainly more intense than new orleans market but this is where you know whatever stage of doubt. There is for donncha publicly. Anthony davis is at the latter stages of this. I like anthony davis so. Let's be positive. I still only twenty eight has missed seventy one games the last three years. But it's been a tough two years for a lot of people. He's the reason l. a. Win the sun series after a slow start against phoenix went for thirty four and ten in games two and three can stretch the floor. Numbers have dipped but that was because of injury when he's right meaning numbers from outside when he's right he's a top five player in the league. Lebron needed him to win anything. Impossible matchup compla- the four or five to trade is worth no matter what you already have a ring. He's number three in career. P. e. r. behind jordan and lebron. Let's be negative. He's twenty eight figure it out constantly. Her ms seventy one games over the last three seasons. He needs a motivational boost all the time. What's the problem. The phoenix series. Perfect example what's up with game. One had forty two in a regular season game against any scores. Thirteen points in game on not a self motivator deferring personality can be. Impressionable has been out of the first round without lebron once needed. Lebron actually win anything. Overrated shooter has been seventy one games as we said before but won't play the five when he should be obsessed with being the four not a top five player trade could come back to haunt the lakers top. Three in pr pr though can be flawed for bigs. Both could be accurate but are both fair. I mean when you hear it out loud. When i was writing down. I didn't really like doing it. I didn't really liked running. The negative ones freddie the people involved here But it's a very easy train. Facts that you just attach all of these things together and you could just start doing everyone i. We should start doing it for themselves. Read them out loud of their families and ask them which ones are more accurate but that might be just way too much for anyone to deal with. So maybe don't do that when we will ease into that one a little bit so you know we already know what's going to happen with honest here if they can't figure it out in milwaukee they it's just part of the deal especially when you're at that top level especially when there's been moments we've discussed you as being the best player in the league because it's happened with david certainly have within bead. I've said bunch of times. There's nights where i look at him beating. He's the best player in the world. Now he doesn't do it consistently enough when you haven't been out of the second round. It's hard i go ahead and do that. Those are the rules. It'd be really interesting if trae young gets philadelphia because then there's gonna be embiid pile up and that's it that's the deal and we can talk about people being too negative players saying more and more that you know. I don't want to have to deal all kinds of stuff but these are the rules. This is what you signed up for. It's not always fair and just understand next time. You hear somebody like me talking about these players. How easy it is to talk you. Inner out of any single player. This episode is brought to you by ziprecruiter. If you've ever had to look for a job you know it's no open. Your eyes hurt staring at a screen looking for job you stress the and after all that you rarely hear back from anyone ziprecruiter knows that the general experience of looking for job is pretty sucky. That's why they figured out a way to make unsubtly when you sign up on ziprecruiter dot com you can create a free profile and then you get matched to great jobs but also a lot. 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The lakers ain't plan more so what happened. What do you think happens if the obvious with anthony davis but what do you think were the overall issues. I mean the health things. Easy answer so i know there's none more complicated one but give me more thoughts on the team. This this whole season to me was just dysfunctional In the sense of they didn't have a lot of practice. I didn't notice to the end of the season. They only had like nineteen practices. The whole season anything. I said me to game in a lot of new pieces dinner shooter. Mattress arrow saw. You have all these new pieces to a team that just won the championship. Who had a nice flow at the end of the season in sudden. Now you don't have practice time guys get hurt. You get health and safety protocols. I don't think they ever had a chance to become a team. Plan up her talent and you get far in in league by playing time but when all of a sudden you gets another team is young and vibrant and his phantom better together you have issue yet. it's a really important part of it. Because when i looked at them. I'm like okay. And then the clippers last year like are they never really figured it out and then you can say the same thing. But they're only through the first round but then you look at the brooklyn nets out east and he goes guys by eight games. Aren't plays a minute of game. One so I'm with you. But i think we may be seeing an exception to that like an all time exception of what brooklyn's you gotta stay. Also those guys of all friends they play together in summertime. You just tell us other dues. A i'm gonna do this. You stand there. You thinking about johann just standing. We'll get you the ball because we going to demand a double team and triple team. We get you to rock and our still people. They always want to compare apples to oranges. And like now. Everybody's into this thing where you guys shoot a lot of threes. i think they're copying. What the golden state warriors my hold on. You can't copy what they did because they had three of the best players ever played this game. And you think about staff the best all temporary points she was ever gonna see in your lifetime probably so and everybody's trying to copy these people and i'm like you don't have what they have the cockatiel i appreciate your effort but you can't do it almost like when people back in the days run the triangle. You don't have scottie. Pippen and mike joins the triangle gate work. And that's what the nba. Does they always wanna copy people. Because the dc works over here in is not the case. You gotta have the right pieces to put it into those positions. I wanted to ask you that. Because i've said throughout the entire year and for obvious reasons like defense was optional. Just teams that weren't into it. If i talk to teams about it they'd say man when you're down fifteen and urine that empty arena inches different like the guys a kind of checked out a little bit. So you'd see all these scoring when you see a young guy getting his numbers and understood. It's different for a winning team in a losing team. Can you tell the difference between a numbers guy and a guy that can play You know you can't you. Can't you have a lot of guys these jacking up size and they trying to get hot And that's the difference in a guy who's just basic buckets. If you look at the way spider is playing up in utah. He gets blankets. Man he can just do it any kind of way and then you see other guys who come on three ten from three and you you have they have to would that three hundred. Ten sucks men. I know said you shooting three hundred but that's not good. You shoot threes. You gotta make five. And that's just how. I view it but i know that's old school in exchange a lot. But you gotta you gotta get buckets. Inspired his buckets. Either durant is buckets and all these guys that can do it from all over the court and not just depending on the three ball you know they gonna be in trouble if they at three balls not following. What do you think. Anthony davis needs to do differently. Get rid of his trainer. You know a thing. Is you have to look at it from. I don't know if he had the same trying to from the moment he came into the nba and if he has needs to get rid of because his train is not apparent him for eighty two games in the last seventy two and a half a short and there's talking about overall because he's had a history of injuries in so if you had a history of injuries you need to change workout. You need to do something you need is a halo bra. We both in la which you do. I'm going to do the think about. The broad has been pretty much an iron man until you get a freak accident with someone rolls up on your ankle Because i tell people all the time. The nba season starts in the off season. How you prepare your by adt you buy ready for the eight to grant So many guys now about okay. I did all this in doing this season. I gotta take the proper. You can take the proper time. Oh but it's still ways to condition your body to be ready for that grind. I think he needs to find a way of filing new trainer and or something to get his body rated for the ground because it keeps breaking down just so too weird to me. yeah. I'm a big eighty fan and the funny thing was when i think about personalities on a team and we'll get to this with with some of the stuff that you did or your career but about like if you're coming into lebron's orbit like there's some stuff that you're gonna have to deal like he's gonna help you win. It's gonna to be awesome. It's almost all great. But there's going to be an alpha thing. There's there's going to be a hierarchy. Where if you're with lebron like you're never going to be as important as him and i think for some players. There's just not. They may think they can deal with that but then when it's the reality is they don't really know if i like this stuff. Were davis has the person i think is differential where i think he's cool that like in a way it's sort of protects him from some of the stuff but there are the moments where i think this year where it's like. Okay you know you need to kind of motivate yourself like you need to find a way of being the other alfalfa there as opposed to just the other hall of famer because davis is going to be one Did you see that at all with his personality. I mean is that just something. Because he's twenty eight now at this point. I think it's an accurate description. Who is a guy which isn't a bad thing. But i don't know if he's ever gonna break out of that robber. I think he can break out of it. I just think she has. Had you know people pushing him to break out of because if you think about it he's been exceptional in high school a you college. When you've college against new orleans in it's just as you have to as a person want to change your mindset because the people around you have put you in a mindset put on a pedestal where you you wanna best athletes that play this game but you gotta act like you. Not you know you got to go in that lab. Start working harder by not sit back and rest on your lower so to say so. I i think with him I look ammon. Sometimes you sit back and you an awesome the things you can do it his size and then you you have this game where he comes you forty two in the next game he gives you you know eighteen twenty and you like you. You just played cdu same thing. I think a d is baseball consistency in we look at him. We want him to be consistent. Because all the people who came before him have been consistent. You think about shaq's the bronze kobi's mj's because every do wants to be considered themselves and put themselves in hierarchy with the legacy and whatnot but you gotta understand these guys had the mindset of. I'm going to be you down. And i i don't know if ad has that mindset of. I want to beat you down. He wants to beat you but it takes someone to call him soft. You know game before. Now you gotta go i'd You're not saw well if you do that costly. You don't have to prove to everybody to solve because it would never come up. And i just think he he. He's at the this season. I think with all the injuries with the people called himself. I think this is going to be a turning point for him. And i'm i'm hoping so because of a huge fan but sometimes you need all these things as a superstar even even just any type of individual thing in sports. You need to get hit in the face with the reality sometimes for you to change a lookout your workout game. How you approach the game and i think he. This is a an awakening season for him. So you're agreement with me. Because i had mentioned earlier like heard like the game. Six day of was kind of a weird time line because it was clear he wasn't healthy. He tried to go sort of. But didn't i'd heard lebron said don't even bother and that eighty was sick. A guys khanakala them out. And that's why. I played game six. It gives ruffling you. I wouldn't wanna be in his position because you can't you know interested are going to happen. You know you try to do everything to prepare. And some people just injury prone and i think with charles barkley column street clothes and people call them solve. There's a lot of things again get bombarded with infamy s it. I two of my college. And i know how difficult was play. And we didn't switch so north south and for him to you know as soon as they washington's game and it was putting him on on switch them out on guard like us putting him a book of. What are you doing as a coach is dad. And that's what made me mad you. You should switch it. This guy's plan on an injured growing and you switch until a little. No you protect him. A to either warms up. He said you. I can't go because once. He switched in book blue by. He'd tried to recover and that's when he messed it up even more so i applaud him for trying to be a and only people who have torn pool growing know how hard it is to move as about player so he shouldn't be not. I wouldn't did it. I know everybody's will we had to have for championship. But you know you want him have next year two. When you came out alabama for years you get to houston you high draft. Pick your lottery ticket. How much of a wake up. Because we see this happen all the time in the league. You know like i i'm i'm not. I'm not sitting there. Thinking torrey. craig. At this stage of his career is going. I still can't believe they don't call my number more. But i'll do this for now again. But what what of those years like for you you go to this this houston teen. That's really good. And you're competing right away and you know. I imagine you probably weren't thinking we'll hooky will be good for me because he can kick it back out but i mean what kind of acceptance do you have to have of yourself as a player to to make a living in this league knowing that you're not going to be the number one or even two option for most guys. Wh to me is is is my set. You know you go from being the man in college to being a man next to the man next next to me is just. It's a weird feeling but for me. I've always had the mindset of winning is the most important thing i remember in high school is a yell at my guys would not shooting the ball and then kicking the back of duke. Stop kick enemies. Shoot the ball. I need you to get hot and things like that and and for me is just about playing the scored in and join us for. Because everybody is successful in the court why unicor used successful in with the mindset of You know i need to get this. I need to get that. I wish i would have. I wish had been windows. Guys that came out with voice. Because i i could score I get you know some some buckets. Every nine ambushed but you can only get bugs. When you get. Plays coke head blazed. Golvin juiston. But you i i felt like playing alongside elijah one an otis thorpe vernon king. I can learn a lot because when you come into a situation ideal infamy. I said this was the perfect situation. Small forest what they need. I got a center a true center. A true pow for two point. True to all these things that can make me better. In the only thing. I would have changed. Is i wish i would have been in came in more aggressive And when i mean by that is when i got. I got traded for shooting the ball and so i had to. I got traded to detroit. The was that trade like. Let me jump in there. What what what was it like when you got traded. It was miserable. Because like i said it was way i wanted to be A and i just had my daughter and he was sick in a lot of things going on with that you know as far as a new personalized trade dejoy. Why didn't wanna be. Because it was cold i did. I wanted to be in. The south of my family is a lot of things going on. But it taught me how to just play the game. And i remember vernon maxwell always telling me. Do what got you here. Is the reason they draft us a reason they want to do this do it. Don't sit back and depend on. Green odors of mea kenny. And i think vernon was just one when those voices you know a lot of people think vernons is wild and crazy mad max guy but he was a voice he was voiced to kinda led the team in a because dream and talk that much odors and talk that much any kinney talk sometimes not vernon was those guys mcguire here in lead by example de everything i got in for me. It was a situation where i just had to get refocused in my mind and be aggressive offensively in and try to help the team as much as possible and i learned a lot so that was the fun part. You know learning from the best winning two championships. What's your favorite hakeem memory. As a team may just the way he ate up data robinson man ninety five Just if you know people always sit back and talk about you. Know their mount rushmore. And they don't ever put key alive on. Mount rushmore pisses me off. Because i've played with no shack. I play with tim. I played with kobe with class. I played all top fifty top hall hall of fame but nobody could compared to a dream could do on the court. I just imagined embi yokich in all these guys rolled into one guy in people. Don't understand how good this guy was. You go in practice and we would shoot. Three's dream shoot out shooting threes but at that time that was what his role was in. His role was playing the basket to dream. Shake thirty points in the paint. Kick it out to us. Open guys spotted up any and he would do that. And people just don't understand how good this guy was and it amazes me how you look at all these guys around the league like lebron koby. These guys will go to dream to learn his footwork. So that lets you know you go to the master to try to learn something to make yourself better so who was better. Akeem shop akeem was better. Shack was more dominant but king was better. You'll be expand on that. Yeah i do. Because look i feel like you know and i i know. Were all a little guilty of this stuff. Like this guy so underrated this. Guy's because like my two biggest criminally underrated players are moses and Like those are the guys that i go will we. They is came to low. You know and it gets real hard. It gets through harvard. We're talking about like the greatest single players like all right so go ahead expand on that. I think as far as talent. I i think dream had more talent. He you know shaq had hands but dream had a little bit better. Hand is dream shoot freak. Does we all know about shaq's though he had a fadeaway shot This brute strength is dunk on you. And just you know you out a way and i think that is the difference whereas you know dream had a little bit of strength. He could go rhino pound for pound can think about. He wouldn't begins. Patrick strong guy. David robinson strong. You know what i mean about. Shaq was more dominant sense. That he just wasn't gonna dunk on you. He was gonna shake you out. Japan's initiative fadeaway or he might dunk on you but it is. Is that difference that made that separated shack when he was in orlando. He had a little bit more finesse as he got older. He gets bigger and stronger and he just knew what to do. He says i'm just gonna drop step dunk on you. Hit ula jump hook in these things so he was dominant because of his strength. Power in dream was just a little bit better because he's financing his power. That's a great answer and i would. I would agree with a lot of that. I think it's very brave of you as a lakers analyst to say something like that but you said you said something about dave robinson though that i love and this is what i really enjoy about talking to guys. That played is not always honest with is certainly not as players because it doesn't do any good being honest about it. But i said something. With the david robinson dave robinson is a hall of famer really flavor like were you guys sitting around and in rockets locker rooms like seeing or hearing about him being like you guys think he's better than our guy who felt like the way you you said you loved him beating up david robinson almost made you think like because some people back then may i said i'd rather have robinson which i would think is insane. That's kind of what i picked up from you. There may be picking up too much. I don't know. I just remembered at ninety. Five series co I think go back liquid at clips day. The funniest thing dave robinson was like and i play my best defense on dream average. Like forty boyzone. And he's like. I thought i played my best. Deep is up. And that's what you know is always in the past but now is about individual defense but sometimes it is in this case it was dream who was pissed off so to say because david was the. Mvp dream was the mvp the previous year in david. Guetta bet you. And i think that was just one of the things that motivation we as athletes. We always look at. What can motivate us. I know everybody Mj did is every athlete. Does with m j where you pick out some piss you off that make you play harder. You do that at every athlete. Has the find some way to motivate you to go hard. And i think when getting the mvp trophy in front of dream. That was a big moment to pick someone up. Aaron and and it was weird in that series. We saw dream do stuff that we had seen all year regard to mobile. We doing ball as almost like grounded. Ruckus some gladys dream. You know why because he was that was amazing. And so i just. I i look at dave rob's in i know he's all some player great player but distinct dream was a little bit better because of the footwork. And you know the talent of things he could do on court in a david was a great shot blocker so his dream but when he came to posting up in the mix. It was all about dream. Yom looking them up right now Because i remember the series. I remember being i was looking. I was more of an akim guy but yeah i mean forty one in sixteen forty three and eleven. He had twenty years lost one but he's impeding while god look at the minutes to forty forty one forty six forty four forty seven in game six and game six thirty nine and seventeen and then you look at the block numbers. I mean god that sailor me. Yeah no i mean. Look i i loved. I loved him as player in in a weird thing. I tell a lot of guys these guys. Now who average twenty five point happy about this twenty five points just eight threes. Think about these guys averaged twenty five points with less possession putting in work on a block grind with different way to call the game like man. Y'all point they nothing to these guys used to do back in the day and so i think that's one of the things people don't taken into effect when you look at the guys like the caps record carl malone's record. These guys shot threes. Look at the points they put in these guys. You know they shooting. Think about that. When the lakers games they shot eighty one times in forty of them with threes. You know what. I mean now. People are gonna start calling you old robert. So our is if i'm older bras on c. p. threes. Oh carmelo Who else. I play against league. All those guys. Oh i played kirk. Kevin durant stepped her. I don't durant it doesn't feel old. None of those guys. Paul feels old. Because i was looking at because his his contract stuff at thirty six. But he's gonna keep playing and lebron. I mean that's the weird thing about the lakers thing. There's going to be some point where lebron just doesn't look right and i don't know if it's going to happen overnight. I don't know if it'll be gradual. Because he still had moments this year. Or i think he you know he's been doing this for years replaces himself but when he wants to go And he reminded us all of that last year with the title because he was starting to hear that he was behind. These other players in that was mistake. Yeah and you think about this stink. Lebron and his last game when they lost to phoenix. I'd never seen him exert too much energy any look good at times in. He hasn't times what you know. You can tell fatigue set in. But i think that a lot do because him being his had many hit many years in league this many playoff games no not enough rest time having injury where he couldn't really condition so i think he's you know put some work for a guy his age and his minutes on his body. Yeah i'm really glad you said that about game six. Because i felt like he was he knew okay. This is nearly impact. But i'm going to give it a go here. Yeah and he had to big long extended bursts of trying to do whatever he could. And i think there's a difference between playing thirty eight minutes and knowing what you have to do over the course of the game and then there's a difference when you're down to and you're going to follow everything i gotta try to a. There's just not every minute is created equal the amounted that you have clearly. Lebron was trying to go. Maximum for two big strenuous. They're giving credit because a lot of guys. You know what they too hot. I'm just gonna sit this out in come back next year. Even coaching staff could. It did that. I gave them a lot of credit. Stayed in. I want to ask about the shots. I would assume most people ask you about two thousand two game. Four with the lakers down to one. When devotes called her lucky shot and for whatever reason he volleyball spike sit out into the open. I've i hate ninety percent of the time when when a big guy would spike the look. You just you screwed up. We're scrambling here. There's a couple of times on the spiked out rebound that. I'll allow it. That was one of the all-time worse. I think everybody says that has to be your favorite is. Is that your favorite of all the game. Winners is is is my favorite. I have. I have a lot of favorites. You've got a lot of it is your son. Or your daughter or your. Who's your favorite child I think that's the one. I'm most known for because if you think about any time you put on the laker uniform. You're you're you're spotlight is is a little bit brighter and to do that in a western conference finals way. We came back in that game plan in sacramento kings. Who thought it was their year in for me to hit the side game for at home on. Our courts is always fantastic. Because i i look back a lot of my game winners at. I didn't hit that many on the home. Court may always on the road. So i it was. It was it was fun. Ethic that overall is my favorite. Because i to to walk off the court and being the locker room Fans jansher name in the thing about it was changed my name over kobe's in check so that makes you feel good anytime you recognize when you with those two. It makes you feel good. So i i think for me as to be one of my greatest shots just because growing up as a laker fan being big magic johnson fan and now to be able to accomplish something in a laker uniform and go down and laker histories When a most clutch shooters of all time and and it just makes you feel good to have that moment. As a top five moment in history i would think years removed. That because you're the lakers and because the team had had this run that you're thinking okay we'll sacramento thing but we don't you guys are so they had a huge lead samaki walker hits that three that actually should accounted before they have and you hit a bunch of shots in the fourth to so it was like you were kind of like tell like tuned into what you kinda needed. Somebody said that maybe because they always think only that one off the corner. I watched the game this morning. Watch because i remember where i was you know when i was sitting around watching it. I remember watching the whole series. But i remember that shot specifically. I was sitting on the floor in front of a television leg with a group of people. And we're just like you know. Because i kind of liked that sacramento team. But i always felt like you guys probably didn't respect them where you're like you guys are good but you don't you. Rebut you know the thing they ever forget. They came back at one game five so if there is a mentally soft as everybody made him out to be after the fact and i'm sure you guys probably thought at that time. Then you know you you there was supposed to be up three one. it's too they go to sacramento. They went to close game And then you guys win the last two and you win at their place. But did you think did you. I guess i'm trying to figure out what you respect. Level was for their mental toughness. I think when you look around lack of you know Christie was a heart and soul of that team we had a loudspeaker christie. He had a hard job guard kobe. You know scott pollen devote in those grinded out finesse type centers in of course chris webber was. You know one of those guys. That was a grinded offense. Got to but we never really looked at them as a team will worried about. I think all the teams we ever play in. The playoffs is only been two teams. We worried about as the spurs in portland. Trailblazers knows only two teams. We have worried about what was playing. Why was there At at think would sacramento. We just thought they was. You know glitz glamour on a and because they were really fancied they will always try to do things like you know. Chris will between the legs nobility behind the back and the funny part is the starting five never talked trash. It was noted bobby jackson's on the bench. It was Under burke zone advance it was autograph on a visit. Talks a trach. Every like you talking trash out here you go mess around off koby go off when you guys shack so it was one of those things we know. New is is weird because the starting find new. You don't wanna talk trash to these guys because we haven't beaten him yet just because we up. Don't talk trash in his the bench. That was doing the trash talking. But we respect demand but not as much as we expected other teams and and and when i say that i don't mean as big as this is a level concern for certain teams that you quite. I love that you had another one then to Where the two thousand five finals. It's it's to a peace For you and san antonio and detroit and they they like you inbound and they double the hell outta job. Louis and i remember like that stays year career. I mean you did it your first year right in the first round series or second series against seattle. I mean you lost the series But it was like. It's the forgotten. Robert ory shot where it's like from from the first playoffs. That's my my favorite shot. nobody knows about. That's your favorite one against seattle. Yes nobody because i was a rookie that we see out of game. Seven filipinos joke. When we go into overtime you know you eventually lost but for me. That was a confidence builder for me just to do that on. Stage is a rookie. Made me feel good. When i think of that one i always go. I wonder if that. I wonder what would have happened if you missed it. You know if you missed it. Would it be something different. Because i think there are guys as much as you know. I'm not gonna say. I think there are guys. We know there are is that in that moment like. I can't wait to get a chance to do this to have this huge moment and then the other group of guys are like. I don't wanna do this. I wanna do this right now. And i think jordan the weird negative influence he had on players is they take like. I don't care if it goes into. Not like. I took it because i'm the guy and you're like you missed. It was an awful shot. Like what are you proud of like. Well that's what jordan did and you're like. Yeah well jordan made a ton of two and i always feel like that seattle series despite losing it like maybe that subconsciously planted some kind of seed in your head were. That moment was always something you were incredibly comfortable with and you always going to be is. I've always been comfortable with that. I think goes back to my high school days. Where i missed a free throw in. We lost the game in a welcome locker room looking around locker room. All my teammates are pretty much in tears. I'm like oh crap. I felt like it was my fault so i felt like i remember walking to the free throw line like oh i got him because i gotta make gotta make this instead. It's relaxed in. I learned from that very moment. You got to stay relaxed you know. We always say the basketball guys. Are you going gonna put it in. Are they gonna get out so for me. I think about that. I just go out and just play the game. You take the shot because we practice shot so many so much doing life on a career is become second nature things. We can do a basketball court infamy. I just never thought about. At the moment. I just went out and shot. The ball and displayed enjoyed the game in in make it are making a mistake. I think the only take a shot. That i missed ever bothered me was when i missed the shot consent. Antonio in my last year the lakers two thousand four. They it was. Yeah but two thousand. Four has the only shot i've ever missed. That bothered me because it was like it out. So i'm glad you got the one in. Oh five they generally and they just left you. They left you as the inbounder which can happen. But it's you. And i mean even the announcers are like what the hell know. What what are they doing. And then you win game. Five win the series. I think the funniest boys when you look at the video and you see the Coach larry like don't leave robert ory into he just said don't leave me and he goes and you leave me. I'm like okay and when you that hot is no way. I'm the guy that high and for me i. I was shooting from all over the floor and is no way. You should left me. Because i i think if even if a she went and left me i was going to shoot it because i was feeling just that good last. Thought if you don't make the hall of fame how you feel if i don't make the hall of fame i feel the same An essay de i i. I'm not. I'm back that up. I'll be a little disappointed. Because in your lifetime plan sport you have a bunch of different goals I remember come out of high school. My goal was to get a free education by playing a sport which that happened My second goal was to Make the ncw determine that was happening. Third goal was make delimiting. Didn't happen because the damn dream team you know because i have a mindset. I was like okay. This is my one go. And i wanna make the olympic team within his started doing pros the latest. It'll be on a why but you know but And then the win nba championship so in the in the final pagan careers the hall of fame. So i'll be a little disappointing. But overall i have to say i had a hell of career when it comes to basketball winning three. Sec tenant titles seven nba championships I had a successful career. I wouldn't trade. If anything. And i think is an and i think is a lot of people out there who secretly want my career and they might not want my paycheck. Charles barkley he will. He will want to say he's painted. But he would want my seven rings in. So i i think for me. I had a hell of a year a hell of a career in by. Don't make hall of fabulous disappointed but not over disappointed because at the end of day. Best laws the teams work in a won seven championships. Doing it and i think every team had ever had respect me if view. Here's a great teammate. 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A friend of mine has been a writer for like twenty five years. he's we had lawrence on. Who is a crater scrubs. When my friend was i guess he was the show runner there for few seasons. He worked on scrubs he worked on spin city with bill lawrence. So that's how. I up lawrence played in basketball game that the famous a pick up basketball game. Which are they. By the time. I was invited to it. it was not. I guess there are some real heavy hitters at that game anyway So my friend bill callahan. Who listens the podcasts. Agreed to come on. And so i wanna do a life advice for spiring writers or maybe people that are in the business a little bit Look i guess surprise singles be. it's a supplement. email will read it Crater mariveles down. But i would I would say you know whatever we'll figure out you guys stand whatever you wanna send. I'm not going to send him scripts and sent him the scripts or that kind of stuff so He didn't read my stuff for like twenty years. So he's gonna reverse but he will give you some advice and he's a huge huge. Sports fan is incredible. Incredible story Played football in college. That whole deal and then actually played professionally. Like i think in spain american football and we're talking like twenty something years ago or longer than that so he's gonna come on and he has some awesome. Nfl stuff like he's totally locked in so he'd be licked legit sports guests. So we're going to do that and then we're gonna do. Another fitness wants so just when you write in your emails for those life advises put writing life adviser script life advice so that we can sift through them. and then i'll send a handful of him to My body now somebody else who connected with who. I'm a huge fan of his workout stuff. So i don't wanna make the other fitness people. It listen to this because there's another powerlifting guy that i wanna have on at some point to But it just so happened. I hooked up with jeremy scott. You can follow me. Jeremy scott fitness. his workouts are awesome there. I just. I've always really liked what he's done and he agreed to come onto. So there you go so we can do another round with somebody. Different some different perspective Than our last guy. Whitney um and then we're going to do the one the writing deal all right so there you go title up all right here we go. I won the overpriced shirt. A buddy of mine. Let's call him. Paul is a really good in simple one and we. I think a lot of us has been there. That's why the email so could pick out He recently had something happen to him. I think everyone's experience i wanted to life. I was hoping to get official verdict to save. Not only him but all your listeners. They too will face this fork in the road moment at some point. That's what i liked about. This is like this is like are setting the scene. Paul was golfing at a bucket list. Place in wisconsin. He underestimated the breeze. On the course was stuck in a short sleeve shirt. A decision needed to be made choice. A stick it out with the short sleeve shirt and risk blowing a bucket list golf experience because he was freezing cold choice. B go to the pro shop and buy along sleeve. Shirt selection choice b. He spent a ton on this golf experience. Let's not ruin it because he was not properly dressed. After scanning the pro shop there was a limited selection for long sleeve. shirts fit him also being a high end cores. The price tags were not cheap. Either next thing he knows he's buying one hundred and seventy five dollar long sleeve by far the most expensive shows wardrobe but it had to be done. Five holes in weather warms up long sleeve. Shirt is no longer needed the rest of the round. He gets home after a great dan. The course and pulls the hundred and seventy five dollar long sleeve out is. He gets home and is disgusted with the purchase. After getting a better look at it. He doesn't know what he was thinking. Blaming it on the fancy golf course. Heat of the moment hates the shirt and the shirt has about one hundred dollars more expensive than anything else in the closet to pour salt in the wound. The advice needed if you make an obscenely bad shirt purchase. What is the next move. The way i see it. There are three options. one forced assure india rotation. It won't feel great. You have to justify the purchase to leave the shirt to sit in your closet and hopes that one day grows on you and you start to like it three. Give the shirt away. Cut your losses and move on all right I've been there man you know. I've been there when golf trip at the boys. I was missing something. You're at the pro shop and you buy something you just not gonna want. I remember the first year we were in college. Game day i was. You know it'd be cool. I'm going to buy something from every school. That i go to which was really stupid because then i had a just a closet full of golf shirts for guided like stop golfing and i was never wearing them and i usually was you know over time. It'd be cool enough that the school the workout guys would give us some stuff to where any way for free. So i be spending between like seventy five or eighty bucks a shirt just to kind of say did it. Because i thought it was kinda cool that i'd been to all these places that never been before and you know what i didn't ever want to wear was a double. Xl big bow down short sleeve golf shirt. That was bright auburn orange. Send that overdue that thing's been given away. That was that was on the that was back when guys are wearing baggy or stuff. And we're talking a week so i wasn't trying to like go slim fit. That was just take. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go and i would look at it and go. What was the process. You're like yep. And that's the one i don't know maybe it was the under armor thing at that point. You know still kind of like new hot brand so I can't help but notice it like this one dollars more than every other shirt. This guy has. He doesn't like spending money on clothes. Some there'll be some push back to that comment. But i mean there's in those two types of guys like geyser not afraid to spend a couple of hundred dollars a dresser because they are either getting you know couple brioni or i mean you can go even far beyond that i. I've never gone to the four hundred five hundred dollar dress shirt level. I know that's probably horrifying to hear from any of you. So if this is already like if the emailer. I'm also wondering if the emailer is paul but different here so if you if this guy paul doesn't like spending money on shirts in one seventy five crushing him This is bothering him. Sometimes people look at that way. Like i would. I would try to go. Probably spent one hundred seventy five dollars on on something worse or the next couple of years or maybe this guy's one of those rich dad. Poor dad zealots. Who who would just be like. You can't do stuff like this. You literally can't do stuff like this but if he'd had enough money to put together this golf chances are there's some discretionary income where the hundred seventy five dollars share. Purchase isn't gonna ruin his day. But i do understand being in the pro shop looking around. Be like hey get a hat from this place. You forty five dollars later and then a week later you like. Why did i buy that hat. Why did i buy it stiff awkward. it's not comfortable. i'm never gonna wear it out like i don't i don't know why did it you know. It's just sometimes as being at a sporting event or being in the concert. You just want to buy something say you were there and it's like you know i don't really need this so to wear it to force yourself the where it seems like the dumbest option because then you're just punishing yourself all over again. I mean it's already bad enough that you spent one one seventy five because you you're emotional about the purchase Honesty should have displayed in short sleeves. It's not been that cold if it warmed up enough later on. So that's another issue I can't imagine there wasn't some sort of pullover that may be would've worked out but hey limited all right fine. I'll defer to you on this one but to keep wearing it even though you hate it i don't know or maybe it'll be a nice little reminder in a weird way now i've kind of changed my mind on that one we're originally. I thought of his punishment. Maybe i like that punishment may elect to be kept in check. Maybe a lesson to this guy can think about it forever because the idea that he's going to warm up to it in a couple of years doesn't make any sense and then of course you could always gift it to somebody that he normally wouldn't buy some things for someone but if you re ripped the tags off and they're probably going to know. Oh wait like you hated this. And then you gave it to me or they're completely oblivious because we have friends and family that are were like hey. I was thinking about you to wear that day. But i need really like it. And then you give it to that person. And then the hundred and seventy five dollars is even closely amount of equity that you've bought with this person who thinks you actually hook them up with something really really nice that deep down you hate so if there's somebody would appreciate it go ahead and give it to him. But i'm just giving you a warning. Hopefully it's not somebody smart enough to figure out all the reasons that they were because of what you said in the email. Kyle i think you nailed it. I've done that like. I did at the master's once. I have this weird looking masters golf shirt. I don't spend a ton of time on a golf course. But i just had to get data. Yeah i had. I got like fucking hat cluck. The governor different. Yeah you're right. You got to hack clip like you mean like to repair the green. I don't is that what that's for. You don't even know what it is. A little golden thing to go on my visor. That i know i know. Never wear visors. But i got a master's visor to and you know the the worst part of the master's spent so much time collecting those cups and then build it in do any and then by the time that We left he took like almost all my cups. I had like a fucking snake going at the master's and build this didn't feel like walking around with him. And then you gotta take the master's cups when you go home so i have to one of each color. And he has a bunch but thanks for bringing me bill. Yeah i hope. No one writes a blog about bill. Taking your cups. What what were you like at augusta. By the way. I didn't even is this when he thought dr phil. Yeah i was in. Heaven was like five dollar beers two dollars sandwiches. Come on how many of those chicken sandwiches The chicken sandwich is good. I actually was going for the pimento. Cheese big She's i'd i'd sampled everything. I'm sorry rica off now instead if mental s. so that's what is known for right I'll i'll maybe a stupid question. Well first off. I think if you're going to buy something a pro shop don't take the tag off right away right. Can you just return it year round over. What do you feel if what if you feel in your back. Swing a little bit though. I mean this is going to have to deal with you. Don't love the shirt weird about paying a hundred seventy five dollars for sure and approach shot. But here's the other thing you don't give it away. You want you to sell it on posh mark facebook marketplace. There's plate you can recoup at least half of that back at imagine right. there's ways and not take total l. on this do you think there's a ton of younger people in posh mark looking for a slightly used wisconsin pro shop. Maybe honestly i mean if you get fifty bucks for it is at least you get fifty bucks back. I don't know maybe it's like a nice nike drive thing. I'd imagine if one seventy s not like some peo- s it's probably decent so i don't know explore your option for you. Give it away. I feel so bad about posh mark Shell smallman who is our friend and my former producer and serie close with. When i was leaving connecticut when i was like probably out of here and i had so much clothing but there were a couple like you know second tier. They were entry level diesel jeans. They were like boot-cut. Yeah there were there. Were couple sevens in there. I think there was even maybe a paratrooper religions. No one can confirm on that one. And then michelle and i were talking about. I was like. I don't know what to do all that stuff and i. I don't know if i propose it to her. She proposed to me. So i i don't want to speak for anyone because people are going to hear and be like well. That's lame you had your producer. Sell your clothes on posh mark like if you wanna do it. I'll make it worth your while. It's not about the money. But i just don't want to give it all away or throw you know what i mean so. It's nice stuff like since all night up a little outdated except for you know. Some of the stitching. The some of the stitching may have been frowned upon now so she was like in and she organized everything and numbered at all listed. It and i mean on and on and on and then it was like there were no bites zero. Just wasn't happening. And then she's like. I don't know what to do when i was like i don't know i don't know what the final transaction is. I hope i'm pretty sure it took care of her. I hope i did We will check on this. After the fact. But i think i ended up being like do whatever you want with the close. Then i'm outta here. It's to happen out of the market for those. No i listen. I don t explore your options. I you don't have to take the loss on this. But i've gotten to a point where now i'm so afraid to buy clothes because i bought up. I don't know i don't wear that. I just freaked myself out on my actually gonna wear this. I never in a buying any new close Well that's good. I mean you know. I think this guy cared about the gulf round that much apparently shot well too so i mean let's is not the end of the world you know there's bigger things there's bigger things going on. I understand i. I liked it. It was light new brought it up but more on thinking about it. We spent too much time. I what i mean like. Yeah because he's not like me where he can't stop himself doing it. He did at one time and he can't sleep about it so i'd say it's better to be that guy than the guy who's like in park city utah fourth fucking flannel. So you know that guy's really don't like guys in park city that's me. I'm the guy. Utah who buys a flannel. Every time i go to sundance twice. And i have four flannels. Kc this is the thing with kyle is like we think we know him and then all of a sudden it's like oh i went to augusta and then the second time i was at sundance i've into sundance zero times. I'm like this year. I'm gonna go and then i'm like. Oh that's another year. I go like. I'll forget kind of lines with the super bowl. It's like sort of before it and then it's like we're gonna go the week before and then go to the super bowl that is to make a ton of sense I show you around. What's your what's your. What's your park. City. routine kyle. It's kind of a lot of wandering because a lot of the bars like pop ups and i'm not even sure i totally understand the alcohol rules and i don't wanna be like can a park city jail for jaywalking. I just a little on edge in park city. Just because i feel like they're just different folk. I was at a last time. I was there standing up some woman who is like a local with music. Just so you know you can't be standing up with a drink in your hand now. Is like what you have to be seated. I was like oh man. I don't i just left. I didn't know what to do string of the apartment. You know they show movies that week. Right well yeah no. I've actually never been to one movie twice when they're twice everyone to one movie. I thought my disneyworld stat was ridiculous. That i've been i think seven times and never gone into disneyworld because i was always there for nba stuff and then one speaking engagement where i think everybody else cancelled and espn put me on a plane like immediately and it was pretty funny. It was joe name. That's why you've been to sundance twice and you haven't seen a movie. Yeah i've i've i've watched movies that came out because i saw advertisements at sundance for them right so as a hate that sundance we watch millions not a total loss for. Yeah you go to sundance to kind of educate yourself plant the seed for our and then you're like all right now exactly busy. Were you doing other things. Because i feel like we did a point. Yeah we did stuff you know. We did stuff but you know is really just like what's going on tonight where can get me. Can't go to that one. Maybe i'll meet you at this one. Her jon hamm is going gonna be kicking it around so far with him. Did you smoke cigarette with john. Hannah yeah my claim one time. Would you guys talk about. I don't wanna say it was awkward. brazil awkward. Did he know that your bills nephew yet. He was at the table. Like i'm sitting at this table. Them and I went out to smoke. a cigarette. came back and then he went out later. So i just was like all right well. It's time smoke. Another cigarette john am now. That's that's not as terrible story. That's good so sundance was a total loss. Any bought some flannels cerruti. Obviously that's what. He does what he goes. He shops flannels. I love the you had no idea that you bought something to fix divots on a green. That's what it was her cool clip. That's just like the clip. They gave it to my dad. Who has a golfer. so that's melanie knows what to do with so they go to give the shirt your debt okay. Before we get to the next life advice. I did need to do. Would you should be the last installment of the cushion thing. This is fascinating because of good friend. Who's text me about. A lot of people were very excited about the cushion thing where i also along with. Kyle have the emails so we're seeing all the correspondence that i haven't read all of it about like. Hey here's what's happening. this is the follow up. This is the plan okay. Here's the final thing i share with you guys were we had somebody say hey. It was me. I freaked out. You don't know them that well. After the first installment of the cushion time line we had a lot of people emailing in saying. It's the wife. Is the wife the wife right. Get a lot of colombo's on the scene here san it's the wife and then i read the deal where the guys like. Hey it's not my wife. She's a neat freak. I share that with everybody. People like it's the wife the wife. And then i read the final installment pretty convincing We have a confession from another one of the guys that was at the party and then the follow accent. A party and people still emailed in inner. Hit us up on twitter being out still the wife. It's not about the cushion anymore. It's about us. We hate changing our fucking minds about anything. I mean this speaks to all of us right now in that. I know i'm stubborn. Certain things but i also feel like there's things that i'm stubborn on that i've put a lot of work into were there other things. I'm not stubborn on. Because i know deep. Dan released educated on this one. As you'd like to be so you know layout and because of the first part are more willing to do the second part which isn't make me better. Just that i know how ridiculous the first part of it is when it's about stuff that i'm very into but this is hilarious. Guys are still emailing in being like now. It's the wife and you thought it was the wife and you were wrong. And now you're like now. It's still the wife after confession rudy. After somebody said no this is exactly what went down. It's like watching mayor vs town in denying the ending of the mousse. Or i'm not gonna know. I'm just saying denying the antibiotic now now now. That person didn't do it. Yeah let's do this. It'd be like watching usual suspects anyway. I still think it's him. They're still waiting for the alternate ending. Yeah like i don't really. I don't think it's spacey. I think he's fake. I think you actually really limps. And he was faking not limping. Pretty cut and dry all right. Okay last one here for today. Five nine to twenty full dad bod. I look decent good arms. Haven't mentioned a while. But i think it'd be around to twenty for a couple of reps around three to six miles two to three times a week but i definitely enjoy a beverage to and it shows that midsection. Hey man you're putting the miles down to forget about all of it all right. I want to preface this. By saying i know it may come across as cheesy but i'm genuine looking for advice. Top gun is my favorite movie of all time. Sri see the new top gun with miles teller top guys. My new favorite is my favorite movie of all times. We're talking eighty six and for those of you that are younger. Like my co hosts here Also understand that like when that movie came out. And i was ten it was people writing down like yeah you know. Wanna be a fireman or maybe a fighter pilot. People were convinced like you know. I really like to go to pilot school because it was a big deal. That movie was a really big deal. So you have to be a certain age understand. How big of a deal. That movie was when it came out. 'cause their kids boys and little girls both saying yeah. I'd probably like to be a fighter pilot and it'd be like twenty five percent of the classic saying because of that movie night so you go so at my age. Our guys thirty eight. It's rare that i come across people that haven't seen top gun Have you seen top gun. I have In love it but it's a different story for a different day. But i've seen it right at least you have seen it shocking. Kyle yeah totally okay. You liked it. Yeah all right. Couple underwhelming of rules here from the younger guys on the pod but to be understood all right so the wife of a couple of people. We've recently become close with is never seen it and upon finding the sow jokingly but also seriously said we need to have a movie night and watch it together exclamation point. They came over. Hang on memorial day and before that lots of group thread text sent jokingly saying we're going to watch it together while the kids played in everyone was on board by like. I said it was always super lighthearted in had joke vibe to it. Even though i was being semi serious they came over. We had a nice day. And i'm good at reading good at reading rooms and i can tell everyone was praying. Didn't make things awkward and suggests we watch topgun. I made one super awkward lighthearted joke to test the waters and instantly knew it wasn't happening so yeah my question is do i give up or do i try again and if so what advice do you have to make this happen once again. My son's middle name is crews that part out right. 'cause top guns. My favorite movie ever legit obsession with tom cruise. My son's middle name is crews. My wife had a family name. That was important for the first time. I obliged as long as i got crews for the middle so he gave up the draft pick rights to the first name for the middle name to be named later and so he got crews. That was an important sentence to make sure everyone here in the audience understands the passion that our guy has here all right so two things stand out one is the answer. This no fucking drop it. Okay just drop it. It's a movie like you like it. Other people one-person hasn't seen it. It's all right like this isn't a new vitamin here. It's it's a movie. The other thing is and i don't know if people with me on this one. I think watching movies together at your house. I don't know if that's a thing. I think when you're younger shohei throw in a movie but married couples. I don't know that married couples get together and go to each other's houses to watch movies anymore. Does that happen. 'cause there's like cuddling going on who knows what the rules are. But in general wait is this guy's swinger. You know what i mean. Do we see a pineapple out front. I think there's a lot of stuff here that has nothing to do with top gun where i just would imagine. I'll heart at a higher percentage of married couples would not be into going to another couple's house to watch a movie. I mean unless you've get sick home theater and i'm not just talking about five point one year like we used to get excited about the late nineties and early two thousands. When i had a buddy that bought a zenith surround sound. I think with five speakers ordered the sub woofer buick. You've got to come over and listener. Ransom like ransom. Is your choice for a good surround. Sound movie again late ninety so you a bear with us here so now You know unless we're talking full theater seating lighting the whole deal i am. You didn't bring that up. So i mean if this is just hey i'm gonna throw on top. I guess digitally at this point or maybe have the dvd direct and. You're gonna sit on the couch and then me and my wife is. I don't think there's many couples it would even wanna sign up for that unless you had some bootleg you know of of the next batman. That hasn't come out yet. So don't take it personally and i'm not even talking about you but to the art that is tom. Cruise and top gun But i would. I would let this one go. I mean everything you said. You didn't say hey. I'm semi serious. You're one hundred percent seriously. You want these people but the other thing is going to be weird too is. You're going to be watching top gun and you're going to be looking at her evaluating whether or not she's appreciate. You're going to be disappointed. You're going to be so disappointed. Take it from your guys. that's it you're just going to be so disappointed at tappan to me was a big lebowski yet but i tried to like multiple girlfriends was like you got to see it. And they're fucking looking at the phone and there's an awesome joke walters. You know doing his thing and she's not getting the johnny jokes at it's like oh you're wasting both of our time and it's like you don't want to be in that position. These big lebowski urban achievers. Oh so these kids. Yes well his children. Oh so okay. So he's pretty cool Yeah go ahead. Go ahead cerruti. Now i absolutely nailed it. You are going to be bummed out because you're going to be watching the movies through that other person and when they don't laugh at something that you think is hysterical. It's going to bum you out and i just. I think it's a bad move to push your taste onto other people unless you're really close like a sibling or something yoga. If you're going to be like hey you have to listen this album. You have to watch this movie and then to listen or watch it with that other person. You're going to be disappointed. Ninety nine percent of the time yeah taste pushers can get real annoying. I've done it a few times. You know somebody really like a band you really like but then you just realize you know what the the music thing was always hilarious roommates because it'd be like if one guy that was like he was identified as the guy that really liked that ban like one guy really like widespread than he would kind of be the widespread guy but he would want other people appreciate it but then it'd be weird like another guy who knew widespread later because of the first roommate then like widespread. Even more word can comes back to you know fall semester as a guess on three times this summer it was awesome and now that guys more of a widespread guy than the first guy was then that builds animosity so taste pushing in general despite the fact that we all probably do it to a certain degree whether it's a new town the cargo. Check this town. Like i'm aware of burlington vermont. Oh you gotta go to burlington now not going to burlington. Did you love it. I did to cerruti. Not that long ago i was like. Oh my god. You're going to burlington. Here's a list of a million things you want do. I'm not a huge assist vacation guy. And for that one i try to put some time to even try to set them up but granted there was some covert restrictions still in place so he wasn't going to get access to all this stuff that normally could and i'm not even telling you to not taste push i think what i'm saying is when you taste push. Don't be disappointed when the person doesn't get as hooked on it as you are. Isn't it great when it works out to like deadwood. You guys know about deadwood. I'm doing it right now because what's dead wanted. Hbo you're gonna love it. Thank me later. I heard it's great But that's about it. it's also like fifteen years old. okay. Ian mcshane at his best on. I don't really know how you can argue with that. No deadwood great. That was great. Everybody champion out. Dead was one of those shows that were i've i've heard like a dozen people. Tell me how good debt would is i. Just i don't know. I just don't know if i'll ever get it but may be pushed me over the top. Who knows snus. But like van pelt a taste pusher in that he has to be the first that samples it But then if you like it like he hasn't van pelt still hasn't watched the wire and he's from baltimore granted him probably grow up where most of the shot but i would have thought he would have appreciated vow checks accent or whatever it just the the reference of some of the things and these are the were. Were war overlooks war. Worse of good really in this case. It actually is that good. So you're denying yourself five seasons of arguably the greatest show on television and it still actually holds up a little bit. If you can get past the lack of technology advancements because back then they were telling the story based on wiretaps and stuff that you wouldn't be as relevant today payphones ever heard of him but van pelt would resist it. Van pelt was just say no to new tastes no matter what but then if he was on something early than he would be like breaking. 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Exert Your Power

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Exert Your Power

"They. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the ESPN app podcast wherever you get your podcast. We appreciate rate as review was give us five dollars. Four stars. I'm inclined to believe that you are a hater coming up on this episode of the Super Bowl. It's coming up. We have got that Mamane DJ. Mike hitman is going to take your phone calls. But I. For one m shocked that Anthony Davis has requested a trade. I never saw it coming how. Wow, man, it's my Kamal met. And I want to start us is very important on some yard listen to this show from New Orleans in some y'all any in from New Orleans Saints fans, and you get your Moses tied up in that stuff as fine. And I recognize that a lot of y'all been upset we me over the last, you know, who knows how long but definitely for the last week. So I was giving it to y'all. I was putting the screws to reminding you of a horrible way that you guys lost the NFC championship game, it was terribly unfair. And that's what made it even better for some of us and understand that you'll believe they hear me say that could bleed over into some other stuff, and you could like misunderstand my perspective on different matters. And I need you to understand. I don't have no problem with New Orleans as city. No. I don't have no problem with people from all as a people y'all coup would me some favor with. In in world. It's just things fans. Right. Like ones that really do it to me. I really got no problem with the whole city. So I don't want you to think that at Hugh with Anthony Davis situation. I hit dancing on your grave or anything like that. I'm not that guy. I have no interest in doing DO imagines the charity painful situation for you. But at the same time, I am amazed at how many yell with them enough to think that he was gonna stay like y'all are y'all knew the NBA. Have you have you just start paying attention that guy in that situation leaves? We can take this back who knows how long when you have a player is good as Anthony Davis. Who's been on a team long enough to have a recognition that this team is not going to be able to build a winner or round you that guy leaves is not even really necessarily about market size. It's really just about at that point man going out there going out there and take an ELS not pleasant. And he's decided he wants to go somewhere else. We've all just basically presumed that somewhere else is with the Lakers. I have no idea of going Lakers where he's gonna wind up. Paul George said he wanted to go the Lakers, and he did not wind up there. But. Dude as good as Anthony Davis is not about to waste away in a place where he cannot win. Period. Like that. That's what it's going to wind up being. Now, what this is now turned into though for a lot of people is a discussion of ood ploy to the small mortga fruit. Right. We can keep in your Pluess. We small muggy team. What are the league to do to protect us? So we could have superstars to we will stores out legal helpless. Kibo superstars a big market team. Keep taking on verse Hooper stores. Gay. Harry superstars play in New York City. The biggest market of how many superstars player. In the NBA or Jason's NBA. A half, right. Stars here. This Morgan biggest superstars you ain't really been no superstars year there. One do ever wanted to come here, and that's mellow and you'll be talking bad about him. This notion of the idea of the Laura pull of the big market come on big big. I don't even like big market is code. But I don't fully understand what it's code for. And when I say that his cO, but I don't fully understand what his cO for will. Lebron Chris Bosh went to Miami people were talking about how somebody's gotta protect a small market teams. You think Miami is a big market like you date and Broward counts as a big market. That is not a big market like as a marketing that much bigger than Minneapolis, Saint Paul. According to one list that I was looking at not too long ago. Keep him on Minneapolis. Saint Paul got all four major league teams. Right. Baseball basketball, football hockey, this idea. No, it's cool cities. Right. Like, y'all in cities the thing people don't wanna live in. And so you think that somehow the NBA force people living, no cities. I guess I don't know. But I'll tell you how you small-market franchise can keep your players. It's this really bizarre notion. You may have heard of it becomming tenant. Be competent. If you are competent as a franchise you can keep your players. It's happened Oklahoma City for goodness sake. Oklahoma City has two star players on huge, long term contracts. Huge long term contracts. Because they're competent the Spurs magic keep they thing role as long as they did spur the Spurs have had a superstar on the roster basically every year of the last like forty except for three. Five basically, the space between when George Gervin left and Dave Robinson showed up otherwise they've had a superstar roster the whole time. Now, some of that was good lottery. Look, but it kept this thing going with competence, competence can't people there. This is how it goes. So I look at all these big markets. Like what's been the rush for guys to go to Philadelphia? Philadelphia's a really big market Boston for the basic history of NBA free agency has struggled to attract guys to come there. There's a possibility that carry Irvine is going jet outta there. When his contract is up. The wizards. The wizards are big it wasn't as a big market who all these people run into go. There. Do you consider Atlanta to be a big market who ought to people running ago there Chicago who are all these people who are running to go play for the bulls. It's not happening. It's not Houston. That's a pretty big market. They got Chris Paul to go there in large part because competence and also NBA players love Houston. Mark Cuban is in a big market was the biggest free agent market misguiding to come down with the Mavs Deirdre, Jordan, Phoenix. That's a big market. They stink. Mcclintock. They're in a bag. We can go up and down all around this thing. Right. You guys probably don't think of the warriors as being a big market team. But that market is huge. Man, come on. Now, if you are competent, you can keep your guys and to be fair to the pelicans kind of feel bad for them to an extent on this. Now granted they have some long run competent sort of issues gave do you like do you? Remember who the worst team in the NBA was that year? The pelicans got the number one pick who's the Charlotte. Bobcats was not was it. Do you? Remember, how bad they were. They were so bad. They were really really bad. I don't remember the slogan the like tanking for Davis slogan that you're but they were so awful. They were like like potentially one of the worst in the league. Like they were that bad at that time. And who did they who they drafted that? You're Michael Kidd Gilchrist as right? They have a better record since that draft in the pelicans. Oh that is really damning. That's that's what I'm saying bad. The pelicans are just not not done a good job you Davis. But they made that move last year, and they got DeMarcus cousins like that was the strong play that needed to be made they made the play and they got him. And then he got hurt and then they want they did they sweep that playoff series against Portland last year. Like they wanna play off series last year. They weren't able to put it back together this year. They also had a problem. And this is where I think the pelicans need to look at themselves above all else when we had this discussion a big problem that the pelicans have had has been injuries. Anthony Davis stays hurt for whatever it's worth. But a big problem that they have is injuries. I mean, you think about a team if they were going to the playoffs last year and granted they get better after cousins, you know, without cousins, but you think about the idea of team Anthony Davis DeMarcus cousins and drew holiday like. You've done. Good work putting together that as your top three of guys, and then they lost laws cousins. And then they balled out into playoffs. But the thing about injuries with them is. The saints all three owned the saints owned the pelicans? And basically, it's the saints medical training staff that works also with the pelicans. And the rep of that training staff around the league is bad. Like you want to keep a guy. Dave's. You should probably have a better training staff. Those things matter like those those things come up in these discussions, and you know, what that's about. Competence that is about competence. So no, I am not weeping for you. And you know, in these places where you knew group who's now even for you too. It's not all that that's not gonna work. And the thing that's happened. That in a way has broken the system for the NBA NBA wants to have guys that stay for a long time with these franchises. Totally understand. They also want salary cap. They also want max salaries. Now, if you wanna use money to try to buy these guys and try to keep them with these teams, you need to allow them to spend more money than you allow them to spend. If it's really that important you that these teams managed to keep these players. I don't know what they'd be able to put around these guys at somebody salaries. But if you really care that much then you need to allow teams, but wheelbarrow out there and drop off all bread in the world. There is if there is a historical example that we can use about a team being able to use all that money to keep a guy who probably didn't wanna be there that badly gay about on. You know with age stuff comes up. I don't know. How old you were request win. Chris Webber got to the kings. But he had no intention of being there. Now, you got there and they were good. And a big thing they convince wherever of was, you know, thirty minutes light to LA. I was a lightweight kings fan growing up. Yeah. But that's you know, but they got him to stay. But a big part how they got him to stay as they pay them a boatload of money, you can't really pay the boatload of money anymore. I mean, it's presented as though you can because you hear about that five year two hundred forty million dollar deal that the pelicans are going to be able to offer Anthony Davis. But man, he was still going to be able to make a whole lot of money playing for somebody else. Right. And so the difference in money is not enough to make guys stale sinking ships. It's not, but the whole system that the league built was based around the idea that they would be able to get these guys to stay in these places by paying them all this money. It doesn't work. And so now that doesn't work. That's where people like will blow to predict small-market teams. Boy, I love capitalism till y'all don't air by turned into my. Oh, when it's time for you to try to keep you try to keep a player on your team nine. Now, you won't rules to help you with deciduous. And I can't tell if y'all America's and not around is peace Maha. Oh, my oh. Right. What is that ball man in China? Now. MO? Oh, I think it sounds better. I like. It's not Hawaiian there's no apostrophe. And they're still. I got people say now just from the south. We say like here's the thing about math say if you keep saying mouse lower. Now. Mao mao. Oh. It was by the mall. So. Yeah. Him Castro automatic. So y'all become when it's time to talk about Joe teams was the cat. Poaching in your heard of him. Yes. I have this is as we read the leader, Vietnam. Yes. As we as we read through socialist leaders that. That's what we should put on the description of this podcast body runs through socialist leaders, you bad to the folk audit we were receive, and how is the date is Leah will cook, I do we don't we might have to make a distinction between socialist leaders in communist leaders, though, that is very true guess what both of them at the same phone call. We could try to distinguish copied is let me tell you who dealt the person that would read that description. He can just go on keep keep going. Oh, you gotta then you like the way ball sows. Don't you? Do sounds good. So anyway. Yeah, people that's what people get about sports teams. Like a point they want. They want it to to kick it in that way. I'm just like a man look. It's the pelicans have been better. They probably would have been able to keep them. Isn't that how it is? With most things in life, though. Everybody wants it to be that way until it's them and their own personal being. And then it's like, oh, wait. But what about me though? Yeah. Well, let's think about this though. Like, let's think about who the free agents are that we can think of who have left like good, solid competent organizations. Okay. Lebron leaving Miami is absolutely an example of that. But we've come to understand LeBron leaves the team. It's for like unique LeBron reasons in large part or like when he left Cleveland because Cleveland was incompetent the first time. The second time, I don't think it was about that. But the first time is absolutely about like, it's never gonna happen for me here. Kevin Durant left Oklahoma City for what it's worth which was a is obviously clearly accomplishable organization, but again, his reason for doing that didn't really have that much to do with basketball. But how many examples do we have of a guy leaving a good team in a small market team? By the way, when I say is good that wasn't simply good because that player was there. So like Cleveland, for example is good. Because LeBron was there we seen. What's happened when he left, but like a guy that was a healthy situation that just left for the lure of the bright lights ABA, plus this you Lakers fan autumn years. A catch was like now, we ain't coming you. Remember that? Will not forget it. It wasn't that long ago. And they're the Lakers and Lakers as out here. Coming back with Lou all dang MAs gov. Brick Lopez some painful years, they couldn't get lamarcus Aldridge where lamarcus Aldridge go to a small market team. That's competent, and then Colli wanted to push push his way out of their via trade. Yes. Now that what is an interesting one. But let's also remember this about wanting to get out of there. You could argue the Spurs demonstrated a lapse in comp incompetence in the way they handled his injury. Fair point. Yeah. You see what I mean? Like, this is this is why do like Anthony Davis is going to get out of there. Protect yourself by getting better at your job. I remember. Win the last CBA went through. I remember I wrote a column resignation about this matter Reverend dot dash on Twitter. He said something on Twitter that had to quote in the store, and he was like with the NBA is trying to do with this CBA is diminished, the competitive advantage of competence that they were trying to put all these things in place that would basically break up the good team. So the other teams would have chances at players to. And it was ironic that the idea was that this new CBA was gonna protect small market teams and the first team to get beat up on by the change in luxury tax, so Oklahoma City thunder the team that had done everything. Right. And they were the ones that weren't allowed to keep their players. It wasn't about market size was about competence. They nailed by four out of five first round picks. Durant? Westbrook hard in a box. They nailed him. Nailed and then they had James harden because was going to be prohibitively costly to keep and then they nailed that draft pick to Stephen Adams. They did. Right. Like this. I mean, this is what is. I just don't understand. Why people can't get this part? You guys go need to actually be good at your job. And if you are actually good at your jobs, then maybe just maybe the superstar player will want to stick around. But all these like lazy coded references to all these things baby. This ain't it. This is not this is not what is dictating was going on with your teams. This is not what's making it happen. What a lovely neighbors. Don't wanna walk away for two hundred forty million dollars. But that's just not going to be enough to keep a player of that caliber. It's not. Now, this is e season's going to be an Anna's like all of it. Would it comes out because as you gave you think you think Drake is done by the deadline? I think so because woes at a tweet yesterday that was kind of conspicuous those pointed out by Zach Lowe, where it was a part of the pelican statement and right at the end of it. It's a we have also requested the league to strictly enforce the tampering rules associated with this transaction not with like this. You know situation with this transaction yet, it is odd phrasing. And then also to in a story that would wrote he basically said that they expect the agent and the star too soon deliver word throughout the league that Davis's preferred destinations the Lakers, and he'll become a rental player until twenty twenty with a trade anywhere else. So that to me scream. Tmz next ten days. I think they're going to try to do it in the next ten days. I don't think but I also don't feel like the pelicans. I don't think they have an incentive to do it in the next days. And. I don't know if the Lakers can offer a package that's going to make it worth it for the pelicans to not see what Boston has to offer and see to me. The rental threat is cool. But there who will be this year's Toronto. Or who will be this year's Oklahoma City, which is a team that is in a position where they can take the risk on a rental so Toronto, for example, Toronto had to break up what they were doing one way or another. And so what they could have done is trade tomorrow Rosen for parts. Instead, they traded tomorrow the rose in guy Cohen, Leonard. And if it doesn't work with Leonard, and he leaves he's gone. He trae Kyle Lowry in the last year of his contract, you find a way to do that. Because that'd be huge expiring deal for somebody. If they decide to make that move, and then they were gonna start over. They had nothing to lose from renting Kawai Leonard. Oklahoma City Ripon, George they gave a victim of the depot which I mean, this that started out to be a win win trade for everybody. But they roll the dice on Paul Paul George said he wanted to go play for the Lakers, and they got him to stay in Oklahoma City to play Russell Westbrook. He's the teams can't be so afraid of the rental on guys. The nets did it for a year and a half with Darren Williams. And at that time Darren Williams was a really big deal. They did it for year and a half they were able to keep them. Like, if you got a competent organization feel that you need to have the confidence that you can do what it takes to keep them. Like, I bet you this. I bet you it. Anthony Davis somehow round up with the heat. I bet you he was staying. I'm in that goes right in your theory with competence one. When theory that was being floated yesterday was the nuggets. Yeah. That would be interesting. I could see him getting there, and it going will and decided to stay keeping mom Dave's done a bunch of losing onto losing. So he's early kinda used to it. Yeah. Bras area, but tasting winning. You know, what I mean like if you go if he somehow with Denver now if you had Anthony Davis Yokich? I mean, I'm assuming that if you make that trade the pelicans, then the nuggets going to have to give up by Gary hair as somebody of that, you know, some guys that calico all Murray. Yeah. You gotta give up at least one or two of those in order to make it happen. But not man. I mean, he get up there. I mean, I'll know too much about Anthony Davis lifestyle, but for some people. Denver right up. The alley. I'm just saying that's something. That's how some people like to live. That's the air. Head rush from what I hear. So we'll see how this goes. But I talked to somebody around the league made a good point. He's like ain't going to LA at least not now he's gonna wind up somewhere that you don't expect. But here's where this guy told me he thinks that Anthony Davis wind up ready. Get ready. He thinks he could wind up. Now that the people are wondering what I just said, we're gonna tell you. Oh, by the way, this is also become a referendum on the brand the Braun as the public masto. The Braun is the man who runs the world. But way for we get back to that bra. Thank you, imagine what his life for the listeners as they just like, oh my God. What he say? And only you and I know this executive course. Yes. That wasn't an executive. But somebody who does. But he he spelled out a scenario that has had me like I could see that happening. It will make all the sense in the world good God. It was set the world on fire. Oh, would okay but back to the broad gave your Lakers fan. So I guess that makes you a broad fan. Now, they manage a lot of people manageable. For exerting his influence. Yeah, they try to act like he he tampering. I mean the Lakers. Temperate can you be mad at the? I don't think we can be mad at the player overtures. No is tricky because the player is kinda sort of agent. Right. Okay. So cl- click sports the agency there is Rich Paul runs. Rupaul is the bronze boy, right? You know, how they met? Right. I do not. I gotta respect for Rich, Paul. It Rich Paul met. Lebron when he was selling throwbacks outta his trunk in two thousand two in Akron. Stay who would. Stay who would've got himself in the right places. Lebron got him job at C A to learn the aging game. And then rich became an agent. But at all, right. Oh, yeah. I've ever ball on the floor in twenty fourteen. I want to say Merrick airlines arena the game three of the NBA finals is not a very tall, man. He was very gray suit white t shirt on as white air force ones on these talking to ESPN executive talked to like second, and he looks at the the ESPN executive, and he goes, oh, yeah. I was talking to Bob from Disney yesterday. And do it was like Bob from Disney. Debut wanna guess who Bob from Disney's oh, you mean, Bob Iger? Like the. Bob from Disney could be oddest. You can't at that time. I didn't know Bob Eiger was. I would've looked it up. I was like bro off from Disney. Well, I'm into so inconspicuous. Easing like, Bob dizziness. Oh. Oh. Korea would pay attention to the org chart. But he got a Bob from dizzy, and that is always tickled me that that's what it's like to be lebrons agent were Bob idir is Bob from Disney. That's the Brandman dog. Yeah. It's amazing. But rich has gotten himself in there. And I think if you pay attention mayor rich knows what he's doing. I mean there have been some contract situations. But I think he is handled like fairly masterfully the air Bledsoe situation in Phoenix. He wound up getting Tristan Thompson, his money in Cleveland, all of this business things that he's I I really feel like he's demonstrated that he's good at this. Lebron hired him because he's good. If this not simply because he you know, that's his man's. Lebron doesn't have an equity share in the agency like people looked into this. And apparently, he does not have an equity share in it. But it's hard to shake the idea that he's not the one in charge. We're Rich Paul because they got this other stuff. You know, they're all tied up it. So it gets tricky and people feel like this is like LeBron puppet. Master in this. And I think it's possible certainly that LeBron is in control of this in a certain way, my problem with the idea of LeBron tampering with Anthony, Dave. How stupid do you think? Anthony Davis is. And when I ask how stupid do you think Anthony Davis is what I'm asking? Is. You think Anthony Davis Dita Braun to tell him a you might wanna get out of New Orleans complete with me. Right. He did he needs somebody to tell him that. I recall them saying Anthony Davis. Hey, good grades in high school. Idea that, you know, this is going the way these things always go. What you again, these small market teams you Pluess to do the wanna play for us. No more. They don't need. Nobody to tell you that. When you sorry. What would you would you would it be temporary serious question? Would it be tampering if LeBron sin? Anthony Davis a copy of the newspaper folded open to the standings in sports. So the pelicans thirteenth in west. It would not. Yeah. I mean, what are we talking about here in this particular case? I just don't see what the problem would be even if LeBron was exerted some measure of influence in this. And again, I'm not sure they're going to be able to pull this off. But if you're LeBron and you want air Dave is on the team. And you don't go upstairs and say, hey, get us Anthony Davis, then you were derelict in your duties, of course, LeBron about LeBron was like, you know, as if I would have Davis. Yes. Now asked me if I want through this whole list of players asked me if I want these guys on the team. He's right. Anybody would reasonably want these things people just had this. And I can't always tell if it's the same people the people who preys LeBron for his ability to have this power and control over his career. And then get mad when he actually uses it. I would be worried me as Lakers fan that we need it. Lebron to do this. I shouldn't be should be getting Anthony Davis all already like themselves. They should space them history in the rings. And I can make the point that imagine can't get Anthony Davis than maybe magic the man for this job. Yeah. I mean, that's the whole reason why he's brought on board right is to land these types of free agents. Yep. And look this is the delicate situation that's not really that easy for the Lakers to play or the Lakers to pull off. But no, not with all the control that by LeBron has he certainly has the indisputably has. Don't. I just feel like people focus on the wrong things in this situation. And it takes away again from the fact that the pelicans are dumb. But it was that there was opposed to do anything. Davis would never be thinking about going nowhere. If they just don't what the hell was that they were supposed to do. But again, all the stuff that's happening now forward legs or whatever. It is seems to be pretty base. Look a game. Is this the NBA? Is you go superstars you wind up with situations. Like the bulls where they often told Michael Jordan. No. And I think that's something that you should do the heat often told bra. No, I think there's something to that. But you listen to your guy you do. Bras. Like one thing for me. They no real argument for keeping Lou wall. And you're out of here. They just about a booth. It's been real this is how it works all over the NBA. Now, you can say what is that? How it went in Miami was spoke that is absolutely correct. The gain did not go that way with spo- in Miami. The SPO was a direct extension of Pat Riley. That's very unique situation that they wound up in there. And by the way, for what is worth Pat was right. And I think LeBron ultimately came to understand that Pat was right? Luke Walton is not Eric's bolster airs mulch is a much better. Coach Luke Walton is. So gotta go. Okay. That's what it is. If the Lakers decided to keep them. All right. That's the decision they made. But I can't be mandala broad if he's Joe we'd like a different coach. We also the fact that it's a we. Yeah, we like different coach legs got to make that call. But let me tell you who else seems to agree that they need a different coach magic. And I don't think magic has made that drew draw that conclusion because LeBron said so as what he thinks it is the problem. I think we have when it comes to evaluate and coaches stuff is we as fans and observances we look at it almost entirely through the lens of the one loss record. And so you're like, well, you can't blame Luke Walton for the fact they haven't won more games. They put this roster together and that at at and all this stuff, that's not necessarily the reason why they want them gone, right? They want him gone because there's something about the way he coaches or that there's a higher ceiling of what even with this hodgepodge line of that they have all this stuff. But. You can put that all abroad if you want. I'm just asking you. What's the argument for keeping Luke Walton? Not a he doesn't deserve to be fired. Because and affirmative reason that you like this is why the wall tribute coacher lakes. And I I don't find people who can do that can't do that you can't complain too. Because far as much as I like, Luke, you can't make that argument. No, you can't look he's been there for a while. Now. You know, this is what this is thirty year. Yeah. He's been I believe so he's been through two seasons of losing. And there's but there is not just they were losing. There was nothing remarkable about a while. They were lose. Yeah. And also it's pretty damning to look at the trade assets. Now and think that they have not progressed have not filled filled their potential like Lonzo Ingram. I mean coups Ma they they haven't necessarily taken that next step and in. So who's fault is that? Yeah. I mean, look, you'll get another job, you know. But hey, man, I just it's just lazy and easy to put these things on the broad when a reality getting Anthony Davis stuff. They should already be doing. Lou Walden is not somebody that necessarily should be the head coach Joan this team. And in fact, if it takes LeBron to be the one to come in and do that the need to not just the retire. Lebrons. Jersey Anita retire LeBron suit. Because maybe he's the front office guy. Need isn't Jerry West lift? Oh, yes. Super bowl's coming up gave you excited. My excitement has been tempered. Here's what I I'm nosing about the Super Bowl. And it hasn't really been talked about in that in this way, but Super Bowl week used to dominate like, particularly sports media everything like everything this week back in the day doing content. All we would be talking about is the Super Bowl. You know? I imagine people still like going down to radio row in all of that stuff. But everything would be about the Super Bowl Monday morning to seven o'clock. Whoa, jr. Says the tweet about. Anthony davis. That's topic of discussion for the next twenty four hours. Jank. Suba media night was Monday night. Did didn't anybody care? But you remember like media day used to be like the thing. And maybe part of that is now we already have more access to these guys. Who is not a, Wow, I've never seen this Persian before in the circumstance whatever, but as much as the NFL is still king and everything else the NBA just pushed him completely off front page and was the happens with something like this. Anthony Davis gay. We'll be able to spend content off us one of the two weeks. If we wanted to buy the Super Bowl when the day comes is going to be the thing. But right after it ends it used to be you got like days after that. It would be the thing they have to go right back to talking about his NBA. And that's that's that's something. That is changed. That's something that is different. Because I mean, I like football I admit I'm probably more of an NBA fan. But I have so much more intrigued by what's going on with Anthony Davis, which probably won't result in trade until July. But I have so much more intrigued by that than I am. Football. Pretty damning tweet over. So some folks at the LA times tweeted out yesterday, you know, they've got a they've got a team that's going to be playing in the bowl come Sunday. And the Rams were the like v the Super Bowl stories were like the fifth and six most trafficked stories of the past few days and one through four were dodgers Lakers stores. Wow. Yeah. The own t the own town that got one of the Super Bowl teams is more focused on Anthony Davis like this is and I think this is one of those things also though kind of like the fragmented media does this because I that now that we have more places that we can get information that we can get content from this room to kind of talk about more stuff and everything else. But like, I don't think people had the attention spans just be beaten like beaten over here with the Super Bowl for. We've like it used to be. And they don't have to. We've got more stuff going on. Yeah. We do. And that's that's what I think the NBA needs to get some credit for is. I like the idea that the NBA mood the start of the season up earlier instead of being like, we'll just wait our turn until after Christmas. We're gonna come out here. Right. Like, they're not gonna do stupid. I put national TV games up against you know, NFL Sundays. But then like, no, we don't we don't play. We're going to be out here. And it's a much. More interesting league like to talk about it is a much more interesting league to approach in that way. And this should be pretty good. We've got good interesting teams. We've got interesting names. We've got interesting coaches. I mean, I'm gonna be there like, but. Yeah, I don't like I work at a at a place that does sports were not like teaming with Super Bowl energy around here. It's not what it is any more. Now look the game itself. We're gonna watch lay the ratings aren't going to have be hurt at all. We are going to watch the game. I just don't think that we need. All we don't need the lead up like we used to. We just don't I'm wondering at some point when outlets are gonna stop covering the lead-up like with all hands on deck attitudes. They had done before. I just don't think people are people wanted like that anymore. And I think a lot of what they would be getting their stuff that they had gotten throughout the year in a way that they had not before that make sense. Yeah. I mean, it's more of like a pony show out there where it's like, all right? Let's try try them out there and show. How big the NFL is. So it's more of like a symbolic event that anything else, right? Yes. I mean, this is their time. I mean, it should be coup. By the way, gave a the Ray Lewis stories have started. A bunch of you're tweeting at me be like, yo f- Bose make an impact here impact. I knew what was going to have it. I didn't make this happen. They didn't decide y'all's those are the Beaumont, and we need the rights up about this rate. Louis Louis Killen thing that happened. The last time those who hear it was obvious that this is gonna happen. I read a story in the USA today in one of the Washington Post, the one of the Washington Post is really bad. And one of the Washington Post says they were like Atlanta used to be a mecca for nightlife. And then the Ray Lewis thing happened, and they were really just talking about the book heads section of town, not the whole city and. This is what happens when you fly in. And you don't know the city that you're talking about. And I'm not saying it's like is it like be like, you know, what you're talking about. No. But you don't know the city. So their variables that you. Don't get Gators one part where they were talking about that club, right where the incident happened. And they're like this the other business owners when the guy they're they're like, wow. You guys are putting people down when they come in. You must have a bad crowd. The dog was boy here the dog was that was a big part of what was going on it buck as they did shut down the clubs to turn it into something else. But like raises a huge variable in that discussion and how all that stuff played out especially like the change in a bucket of. But I guess if you're not from Atlanta, you don't realize everything in Atlanta's about race, more or less, and so you tie this strictly like Ray Lewis. It don't get everything else. You don't realize that part of it was, you know, the change over their head in fact that those prime real estate, but like do you? Remember the goal club story. I don't probably before my time. If I be before your time, you ought to Google it is really fascinating. But it was in Atlanta strip club where a lot of athletes going and getting that role treatment, you know, what I mean? Like kings. They eventually shut the place down the places also sitting on a prompt. He's a real estate easy. What I mean like this is how these stories work, and they weren't going. There were just like Ray Lewis people died. So we're gonna go back. We're gonna get like the same old stories that we have gotten before. Anyway, Ray loses having a party in Atlanta. Goal jacket party. He calls it kinda wanna go. I don't think it's a good idea though. I would have stayed at home. What about you? I probably this one and not really, but hey, guess Porsches spots, but he got sponsors and everything I just don't think I would I would be the one to attend that would not. Could be couldn't be me. But yeah, he's going to be there. You know, gay? We haven't taught anything about the actual football game. That was fun though. Yeah. Out everything around the game plan to talk about it either. I note I like, okay. It'll be a super ball game. I'll watch it. That'd be cool. Anyway, let me his about like kyri maybe that sided with Boston. I love that stuff. I totally love that stuff. We'll say is. I don't like a lot of like basketball internet stuff because I feel like a lot of if focuses I don't like to take the way the game away from things like my interest in sports, generally basketball, specifically, I don't wanna take it away from how incredible the athletes are. And I don't wanna take it away from how much fun. The people are like how interesting the people are. And so I don't like in so bogged down in the analytics and stuff 'cause I appreciate the value of the stuff. But it don't have no soul. Right. Like, I I don't like this new people talk about basketball who for them. Them. Basically their experience of enjoying basketball is not centered around players is centered around executives because the executives are more like them. So it is in effect. They are centering the experience totally around them at the expense of like the humanity in brilliance of the athletes that they watch that makes sense. It does you know, turn it into fantasy fantasy football's about you fantasy football is not about the actual players fantasy football is about you. And so I don't like getting bogged down in all that all that other stuff and like cranking out these numbers and everything else. Like good for value. No good to be you know to talk about and stuff like that. But I could never lie. Look Darrow more. And be like, oh man has me because that's not. I don't enjoy this stuff for the reasons that suit saying, no intellectual exercise for me. You know, that's not the way that I do it. I enjoy the people stuff. I enjoy the basketball stuff. I enjoy the fun stuff. And so that's where I wanna stay lie. In and see the thing for me about the NFL and the NFL is really short on fun. Here's what the NFL does. They did not give Marcus Peters a podium at the media night stuff fate or not they are mortgage Peters has got a floating around mortgage Peters is the most entertaining. President is bull. He needs to have a podium NFL. Don't do that NBA. Wouldn't have that problem at all at all? Maybe like go talk to him. He's fun NFL. Don't do that. As a result. We go spend a lot more time this week talking about was fun rather than talking about what's quote on quote important of miracles. Verbal. We know you can't be on top of all the news information of the day. No need for the social media feeds, we got you. Now, if you haven't heard all right, but my this first story comes tech. Hi, this is Joe Bromwich. I'm reporter with the New York Times. And I recently wrote an article with the headline why do we hurt robots now? Obviously, that's a pretty big question. But the article kind of makes a couple of to help shrink it down people attack all kinds of robots, but I tried to focus mostly on humanoid robots, which is to say ones that look like us. And there are a lot of examples of people attacking humanoid, robots beating them to the ground covering them in barbecue sauce doing all these things. So there are a lot of reasons why people might want to hurt robots. We think about robots we think of two things we think of them taking our jobs, and we think of them taking over entirely, and so there's no shortage of ideas in pop culture and even in the word robot itself that would lead people to feel angry at an attack robots robots. Actually, look like humans. There may be something else going on. And that's that people attack robots in kind of the same way, they attack human outsiders. They take the robot. They can't quite categorize it. It's familiar to them. But it's not familiar enough to seem as if it belongs. And so they lash out at it. We do something really similar when we see people who are not like us. It's a tribal instinct, and it's something that's really deeply embedded in our psychology. And one of the ways that both scientists and heads of robotics companies to just name two examples have figured out how to deal with this is the same way you actually deal with violence that humans are doing to one another which is that the introduce robots to the communities in which those robots will reside. So they give them a name or they explain to them exactly what the robot is therefore, and what it will do. And the experts say that if you do that it's just like introducing a human of people know why the robots are they're they're less likely to do them harm now. Whether or not that's a good thing in the long run that remains to be seen, and it's not something really got into. But if you do wonder. Protected humanoid robot the way to protect it as to introduce it as you would have human. So you're telling me people I hear bullying robots, we're picking on these guys. Look, I we don't see too many movies, man. And but so many times you gonna bullied I robot before show up beat you man, like. I don't know what it says about the human experience, though, the out here. Actually, I try to robots I wouldn't believe that would work would you because I mean, lots of times with bullies. Right. They're looking for an emotional reaction. They thrive off of others pain with with a robot. It's not gonna have him emotional reaction. You're not gonna see some robot. Crying, you know, in running to tell mommy that you're picking on it, this is they don't have any lunch money. People. So I'm so afraid of robots robots so afraid to us. You know what I mean everybody? Well, I'm in this way. Joe is saying we have to, you know, introduce some kind robots into the community, which is exactly what are stories about a few weeks back with the robot. That got intr- is getting introduced in the giant grocery stores that has the, you know, funny looking eyes and stuff, and it's supposed to be happy. Just telling us about a time for the robots, mama. Start taking them Cuando sit bullets can't beat you have no more. You're gonna run up all some third degree black belt robot Iago angle be no more porn barbecue sauce on them. I figured you know, with with a lot of the stories we do a lot of them seem to be anti robot and into promoting robot inside so does wanted to provide a sympathetic angle. That was my thought, obviously when I chose that. When I was let's, you know, robots are becoming people to. As great a balanced a balanced environment here on if you haven't heard our Nick's story comes from gaming. Hi, my name's tomorrow Okimoto, and I'm a writer a slate magazine. More stores essentially about the way that several criminals have found to launder money through popular video game fortnight. So what they do is. They used to credit cards to purchase via books in the official game store in bulk in the advertise them on the dark net where they sell them at a discount and also social media. So social media in particular, they are looking to scam regular players by promising them cheaper ways to acquire books through these so-called books generators in a lot of noted how because the primary demographic a fortnight teenagers and even younger kids is very easy to scam them to sit at generally a lot of money and the us these books to make their characters more attractive in the game. And we'll go through the game going through fort night and purchasing books makes. The money that they're sensually stole pretty much untraceable. And so there's no way to know where it came from when is laundry through the game. And at the games, the developer fortnight is warning its users not to share persona for mation or credit card information with other users and to protect their passwords, but the on DOD not much has been done so far to prevent criminals from using the game as a plot or until under money. The moral of the story here is that the only place you can purchase the about is in the official store in anywhere else. You see the monetize is most likely fraudulent scam. Gotta say I'm impressed by criminals. This how we gonna launch the money. I'm impressed going after the kids. I mean going through the video game. Trust me, some out here getting got to believe that while I don't understand the world anymore. All like, I've just listened to every bit of that. And I was like, yeah. I'm not in the demo. Do you play for nine or video games? I'd it video games. Tim fitting years. Like, I'm not above. It isn't really had time. No, I feel you I play fica, and there's a similar kind of online store where you can buy coins. So that within like another like subset of the game. Play you can virtually like by by trade players on like an online kind of like marketplace, which is problematic and in of itself, but you're in order to acquire players. You have to basically have built up a base of coins that can be thought of to be like it's impossible. You're never going to be able to make that much coin to be able to acquire player of that caliber. And so then what people have to do is people have to buy coins. And so then it kind of like, you know, sets the quality of your team by, you know, your financial situation, essentially because if you can pay more. More to get more day. Players right. So I think that's kind of would to talking about where you know. You're there laundering money by offering you know. Just looking at it, man. You got social stratification a video games because everybody forward all messed up. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So I I mean, you really got to be good player. If you want to like over time build up enough enough coin value to be able to acquire a player of that Calver. But it's like it's going to take you a long long time and then everything resets after the year. When the next game comes out to him at all, I Oregon trail some people banker some people farmers. Oh boy. All right. This last story. I think comes from style. I would say I couldn't get the writer who wrote the story to join us. So I figured I'd do a little synopsis of it. Because I knew this would be a story that was right up your alley. So in Chicago right now, they're having like an Arctic tundra blitz coming through there. And it's open season on Canada, goose jackets. But were you familiar with candidate I own account to goose? Yeah. So these super warm coats retail at roughly a thousand dollars, there's not some of them some of them. I don't think I did not pay a thousand dollars from the top top line ones are very expensive as my point. So over the last few weeks police in Chicago have reported a string of robberies in which people wearing the coats have been targeted and forced to give up their jackets. Some of them, you know, by physical violence, some of them at gunpoint, and it's not the first time. That the candidate. Use Jag have been a target of the. Back in twenty sixteen or some more strings violence around the coats, the candidates company has insisted that they're not a fashion brand. But rather sturdy equipment for Arctic and urban explorers? The brand high profile it has appeared in JAMES BOND films and is seen on celebrities from Drake to Kate up into David Beckham and high price tag combined to make its coats a high theft item. Your thoughts. Hey, man. I think there's a part two people known here, which is that there really affective, and it's really cold, right? So yes, people going it Canada goose. Also feel like people getting got all kinds of jackets too. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like is there is there really a jumping Canada goose resale market because I remember you remember back in the day. People talk about talk about what you call it. I still Jordan's back in the day. But people wanted to stunt them Jordan's. Okay. You you guys joins. I don't have joins. Okay. I'm gonna come out here and I'm a rock dis joins people Iraq into Canada goose for style. Man. They rocketed for function. And you should just think about what world it is that we live in with people got to be I hear jacking each other coats. Bad place, bad place. I would say also maybe just me being from Texas. Candidate bills to keep warm. Just keep you don't mean to some people don't keep heat. You know what I mean? Jackets, big pockets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nana while you taking the time to get dead jacket off that person you open, Jack it up get you answer that person getting. Vince day because I keep that keep it on me. You don't necessarily know how things go go. What I think people need to do is. You got get into white label Canada goose you gotta get their black label Canada goose. I don't think everybody like, you know, to Canada goose label when you see it, right? Correct. You know to blame Canada goose label when you see it though, as a matter of fact when I was leaving my apartment building this morning. I saw someone with a black label candidate shag. And I was like is that it Kennedy's check. It look closer. That's a Kennedy. Blows right. Yes. That's right. You gotta you gotta I gotta blog label. So I think I'd be safe streets. But what's interesting, though, is also like the wood the article in the Chicago Tribune mentioned was that there's a growing lake fake market of Canada, goose jackets, and even those people are getting jacked. Yeah. Let me tell you. It is though by fake Canada goose hustling back was like if you just want people to know, you gotta Canada goose, okay is cool. But ain't fly. Like that. You need all the warm. Yeah. That's the whole point. Yeah. Like this. Ain't this ain't just simply stunned but gave I have to say my man Cortes told me how far you are willing to go to stay warm. How far I am. Yeah. You personally saw you on the internet using your cat is a scarf. Having not outdoors fell. Like, it must have been cold inside. You'll let you had that cat perched overlooking that thing around. Funny. Cortes, followed me on Instagram the other day, and what's funny. I guess about it is that yes, it's my Instagram. But I don't post any photos of myself that was all of my questions about you that I didn't have before once hear them. Then let's have it our at. No, I just want to know why you had to catch it much laptop. Like did he pose there? Did you set up there or did you just catch a kid because they're very well done manicured, photographs you're very invested in photographing the cat. Well, so here's the thing. I just got a new phone recently as we've discussed on the podcast. So the upgraded my ability to Instagram story in to take photos of the cat because I'm not the most like photo savvy person. But when you're in your apartment a lot because I'm studying and whatnot for class. My cat is like trying to get my attention all the time. So there's a lot of candid moments around the house. Did you make your wife? Take picture you would to cat over your shoulder. No that the photo Europe. Ferring to was at least like maybe like a year or two ago. And I that was more one of the things were carrying my cat around the apartment, and my wife just took a picture of me in posted. You will looking so cool at Gabar. Picture me was sixteen that coup look face as a whole mcaddo, Michelle. The kind of cat that. I have a rag doll is like it's in its nature to kind of just like give up and want to be held like that. And when you hold it, it kind of just turns limp, and basically becomes just like a big scarf. This a funny thing LARs, new everyday. I know I know you guys might hurt in the news that it is ridiculously cold, Chicago when we were just talking about people getting robbed coats and Chicago's figure which has DJ Mike hitman, Mike, how code is it. Minus three what is uniform? I hear I love it. How do you love it? Coco and then the streets. You ain't go get robbed and you walk Chicago. Jeff is so nice. Like, it's a sunny day from all this. They'd get cold to kinda coach you got on. I got my looks meatless coat and love getting and I love to see the latest they'd be Colt because they could walk Chicago frequently going best when it's cold out here. Love this as supposed to be like wind chill, minus fifty three. Yes. The Ma go be twenty zero. I got to surely coming here. Tomorrow, everybody to buy houses all to change. I could do it man. I can't do that kind of cold. Oh, you live Congo coldest cold. It don't matter where you go in their house. It won't they'll cut back out here. Good thing. It's when you're skiing. It's not your Lou this one just put its fourth season for reasons. Hey, mike. Hey, man, tell the people what happened with Frank soley day. I told the frame, and I had a bit with my listeners now Frank show all series people notice Frank doesn't show all series. Oh, yeah. That is the show on the radio on land up. I like too because you got a gal. Now, look like gingerbread hands. That's browse Kelly Brennan both itself to that. So I listen to him because I love both. I'm opposed to friend, but I had a bit with my friends. They they like, you do not know full money, and you don't get on the show of Frank zone and get blown up at one fifty and these talk they wanna pay me up. Give your money. They still say was shut got you like pull it froze freight. I didn't know you and he's saying here because he's doing show at four o'clock in the morning. In the morning. Joan one of the best show. You will vote for the best show what he's up fast when it comes to changing. Hey, man. I was funny. Frank while yesterday. Frank was like that was you. Yeah. It was me. Is that a believing? I'm on on the stand full money alleged y'all know he from for North Carolina came to us. They went to the mic traveling agent. He know how to get cheap tickets. So just kind of say you you got the bitch show there right past the morning. Joe people follow you love you. And why they so much 'cause he us close up, and he's all with people always pray and you can look right into Cam. That's what I like about that man lay. By we got the people on the line. We wanted to have people talk about fan bases that annoy them is sports. And I know of was they get, you know, the ones that you root for the game. We got on the line. We have devante in North Carolina payable when might man I wanted to call about the most annoying fan bases out. Their minds isn't team specific mind is just LeBron period his travel from state to state team with him and claim that he's the best thing that ever happened to that team. Not what I am a Lakers fan. I didn't want LeBron. But now that he's there with erase me is talk that he's the greatest lake of play the game before he's a poodle. You wanna flaw fees are the types of the Broncos. I cannot stay the great man and a great player. But this man piece all the most toxic Koby. Stan, aren't you? You got me. I am. My would you got? Man. I'm in your shoes. I can't stand the need it. I can't even stand lake. Oh, what did this man just for one day to another team to a championship? He didn't win. He bought attempts you because he came by itself, if it was a great Larry what what have to he went to the lake with taco speaker that you want to Cleveland, but he didn't do that stay with the team. So both Celtics. Did they go to Mandy? He didn't go back to Cleveland in LA won't see the ball to play the Lakers hill, so bad then go be time. That's why he's with their sorry scene. We come at for you know, what? Don't know what to do divall. What a hate all the bra. Then might took it to the leg. You stuck? I like I said I have nothing bad about the man I've been vigil or a player, but this this idea that we're going to trade the farm for three or four years of possibly winning a championship. Just get Anthony Davis and throw future ways, I'm gonna sit with both see of it. I appreciate the call. Hold on. I got a good idea. How about this? Okay, empty, David. It's LeBron James thirty years old. You'll Natal let's say the bro AB straight up. Hey, had von Gabriel's. We've got. Coming up next Maman Daniel in Maryland Daniels Hilo cable, it's gotta be Cleveland. Not only for the LeBron thing. But for Cleveland fans, it's always Browns Browns Browns Browns Browns Browns, even when they stunk even with may feel even without Mayfield says if they got a baseball team that into the World Series been one out of the way from winning World Series multiple times. And now that the bronze going with the Cavaliers let team doesn't even exist. Damn, but you got my. What you man, you can't be Cleveland to code as Congo. And they'll and then nothing you could do Cleveland could do Cleveland right through that town, cause they ain't got no petition only time they won't put Joe Brown within the and he was the only African Americans go run. How did they Cleveland? That was fast Gabriel's, we got PD in Pittsburgh PD's was up. What's going on? How are you? Good. So mostly base is the Iowa hook on fan base. And I lived in Minneapolis the two years. I remember them calling people from what they said it's idiots out walking around most drunken delusional fan base. There is no professional team. And this is actually the professional team coaches supposedly values coach let the league let the NC double A and getting players arrested got his own son, arrested high the sun high southern law QB coach back from the NFL to do his sons job. He appointed him to cover up rape. And the fans are still down in dicta about the values of their program, which is the program, by the way that perennially finishes in the middle of the pack. Well, paying Kirk ins- top-five coach money. So that's my family's. Oh PD. You came with heat. My view have anything. Hey, man. I with you. I can't stay. I wouldn't I. Stay bunch of coins fucking the whole town. And I wish one day we go down and rolling all over them. Because they got nuts. They won't come into play us the always pass and play them. Fifteen small school come out of them will come to you. And like we say, we will come to get you. Because I can't say I would need to make all you do is. You know, when you when you travel on a highway there number poem field as you can't even see the field. You can even see the women you feel that would go. Hey, my before that you go man, we're having Alabama. Guess what happened? What happened everyday? What role you know, what? The role guy in my house. That's what have to I had all the room for Clinton. I never had him in there. So that's what happened to promote. You saw chicken choke chicken. I had to cook food to pick and roll time. But you know, what we go. Get fast players. We don't go get them. Go teaching them. Go change. We're gonna come back and win and all the next year. It's my who voted club. Is this a different cloud that clouds used to have no three. Yeah. You know, what to three? Yeah. I knew you had the Mexican Clough's Nate one two and three, but I know about bo-bo. Yeah. But I probably went to name. Do. Three a Clinton. I didn't know that should have kicked him. That boat, but he was rolling all over the place to everybody money. You still you still have the the clouds performing, oh, come down to the free muggy every Saturday and Sunday and from then fan Hobo and one-two-three filling. They they blow up plumes make up the kids place and you also get on the ball round. It's only three dollars mission come on down. By that. I appreciate the. I love your show and you're into Neil both team. I told you internet you came up with a good ideal. He went to UCLA I told him make sure he said you say it's a Monday 'cause they get the brain they told him. Well, hey, man, I'll talk to you. So I will go. All right. Mike, ladies, gentlemen. Thanks for joining us here. All the right to do to stay a couple of times. My man gave best Saint handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Also, thank you to our contributors today on if you have in hurt. Thank you Joan of Bromwich of the New York Times, check out his story on people hurting poor innocent robots as the tamra EV doklam ova checkout her story on people getting scammed Flynn fortnight. It's like money laundering. And as the gay best saying for a fantastic rendering of a story on Canada goose, Jack, thanks, man. Mike hitman and all of our callers remembers scribe to the right top as grab the ESPN app. Apple podcast, wherever you get your podcast gone hit and do that, right? As review gives pasta. I was the only give us four stars. I'm inclined to think that you are a, hey. Hater, we will you guys a couple of days it easy. Thanks for checking out the right time with money Jones podcast. You can listen or subscribe on the ESPN app apple podcasts or every listen podcast, though. Right time with Bomani Jones.

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Episode 110 - Saluting a Pioneer with Brandon Jennings

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Episode 110 - Saluting a Pioneer with Brandon Jennings

"On this episode of the neutral podcast or circling back to moment in basketball that propelled us to where the game is. Today at the time brandon jennings went from oak hill academy to the euroleague. It was moved that puzzled and surprised many instead of college. Route one of the top prospects in his class brandon knew he had the pro makeup so he went overseas to make it happen when you draft the number ten overall in two thousand nine. He entered the league with a year of pro experience under his belt to money in his pocket for brandon always that exceptional player that could score. It will shoot first point guard in shock creator but he also had the vision to go against the grain at the time the move made headlines. Few players followed the move. But as we're seeing now a pathway has been made to where they don't need to depend on the college system to progress their careers as for brandon. Enough time has gone by to look back at that chapter in his life with recognition for what he accomplished in where it took him to. Next is another edition of the no show podcast brandon jennings members subscribe to get every episode. Wherever you get your podcast as soon as they drop and don't forget to check out the no chill on youtube and don't forget every monday eight pm eastern it's no chill with gilbert arenas on the fubo sports network welcome to no chill with gilbert arenas. I'm mike brosseau something different about you this week. Wrong that tough crowd of for sure. This i wasn't able look updating. Your young ones so we have your l. a. Guy says a matter of time before he came in with us Thing i think you'll recognize your pioneer day that prep to pro. Yes slew yeah Did that in two thousand eight With sunny girl He was like one of the guys. Started to get it going and Yeah i didn't think it would come as big as it is. Now would mellow ball doing it. And things like that. So is is progressing is progressing and giving kids opportunities in life was the. Was that a hard decision because it was different. You know no one ever done it before. So it was one of those things i remember. Because you you use going to arizona yes so when you when you opted out and went overseas it was like i was. That was that decision just like was it horrible. You're like i'm just gonna go play pro. Get that experience i. It was hard. Because i didn't even know if i will physically ready for that Type of basketball. And i mean that was the first time i've ever been out the country and so i was definitely a little. It was definitely hard. And then you know the media is just killing me like you know. Espn is you know who did this. Giving years like it's never gonna work like like you know skipping on college so it was kind of like you know i was kinda like a like a villain for a minute so But once i got there. I started working on my game and i just started experiencing different things in life so it was cool. How was the play. There was definitely a lot of pecan. Roll you're not a lot of pirot basketball Just a lot of teaching too. So and i needed that you know cover from kill number one player on the hot hot this and go over there and just get a reality check. You know really really good for me. I'm going to say to balls because he had to know. All that media hype was going in the scrutiny. Is coming at you for a young kid. You know someone's no one. No one makes a decision knowing that they're going to get for the media. No-one makes a decision about the cuban. Be okay with it. Nah you just even not even kill you. But they're going to analyze your game. They're going to scrutinize the decision. There's more heat than if i'm just going to go to arizona. You're not the heat comes from gotta remember. No one's ever done you know. No no one knew what it was so when you when you do some for the first time usually people are getting people are questioning because they never thought of it you know. They never thought of it and they wanted to fail so they can say. I told you. I usually just went to college. It's one of those type of of moves. So and i remember you know. We was playing and it was like. Let's let's see how it works but you know any high level player if it made sense because it's like well that lead will be harder than college so he will actually get better if you just say if i say go to overseas for one year or play in college for one year when you leave where you going to be. Which player is going to be better. You're gonna say overseas player. Because he's been he's playing with adults experience he's learning a different type of game and so it made sense from the basketball side of it. Just i don't think the media was ready for it obvious question but why not more guys do it. Well i mean. Now they're playing. They're playing plan Guys in the g. league more I think so. I think the mighty is a little higher here I heard they're starting like a sixteen and under leak paying players one hundred k. So i mean they're trying to find ways to to keep us here But if but i think a kid coming out of high school should go to china like i think it just just turned into a whole another level seems financially yes because because what ends up happening is like let's say let's say was a jalen green. Let's say a player like jalen. Green went to china for that year. They pay him a million million and a half million having some. Yeah officer if you have a big billion for an you need a need if you have a big. He has a big enough name. If look lamelo ball went to china. His name would have generated a lot of money in that right. There opens up another avenue. But you know the reason a lot of kids don't do it still is because some kids want to play college basketball in. I mean some some kids like the ideal of plan college basketball some some some some like the ideal of education. In 'cause you gotta remember parents for the most part are going to be pushing education stuff. So it's like. I didn't even go ahead and let me go ahead and do this for for miles and pops but i think it's also the unknown as a kid. It takes balls. 'cause you're going to go overseas attic culturally. It's a difference in adjustments culture shock. And so it's a lot easier all go to michigan or do great carolina's culture shock. You go west coast. You can't go on to the east coast coda shit. They're like you know that's different. But i mean shit me going from damascus. okay with Was was coach. Rashad up in the mountains up inhale at least language by nearest mcdonalds which was forty five and a gas station. Forty five minutes away. So i was basically j in just like no no just a ball and basketball so that was like different like no hanging out with the homeys after the end of that. Go right back to the doorman it was different. But the other thing you had coming out which was an all time great mix tape which we see mixed tapes now and how the is every. Yeah i mean. I think we're actually the first ones to actually get get it going You know it was. It was also weird to see guys like run up to you cameras like during that time. That was the my spare time on that site. Kicks and everything. Zero air was fun man. You know a lot of guys like john wall. Oj dared roses in and all that so it was a lot of great mic state allowed. It was a good mix some good ones but your stood out to the world. It was like it was all played high school math. You play high school basketball. You think cold this name walking and then you just gone in a net bam like what he's that was the. That was what we all like gave. Plays like yo bro. We'll move between nut shit. I'm not left handed but let me go ahead and we sit here right in moves down. You know from because we want you got to that level. You didn't really look down but soon as the mix tapes hit law. That chain changed everything in you pronounce that she does. You gotta remember. We're pros and we're seeing in high school. Kids do shit. We didn't even think of in order to mean and we're sitting here like yo that's coming you know we got. We got to change our. We got to change our game. Fun look to. The people who were planning is now they. They got regularized. Crossover booze this is. This is a whole different type of stuff that we we ain't even ready for so we have. We had to adjust quick. And you were at that at that time you're just playing your game being yourself and that was captured right. Cut up look cool now. Some kids do for the tape and they want that part of their game. Showcasing ms mix tape. I gotta blame the internet. I mean because when we were when we were playing. I mean you know back when i was coming up a main guys like giving arenas you know the drew league and everything like that was like you know when the julie was in the middle school so it was just different. Like the era of the ucla. Bruins were different. I remember being a young kid going up. Ucla plan on the same court. What you guys. And you know paul pierce and all this. Oh it was just you know we were around just a lot more and it was more rare raw raw because we know basketball it was just real so you got a chance. It was like joe at the prove. My point like i got approved. My point like right from the jump. I was gonna say it was more intimidating. You remember is real basketball. So it's it's not like you know we're going out there and we're purposely trying to you know like now it's more back to and one style you know we're doing it to be on the mic state. There's a lot of visit to the at. This was just basketball and it was just a very high level skill of him open. And that's the difference between now you can look at player. Say all right. he's talented. You can say okay. He's instagram good. You can actually see the difference or now in that key comes in the gym. We saw the mix tape. Now we can show you know now you with the big boys but a lot of kids get get barbecue because they mixed the biggest barbecue because of the imitate me them seem like they was killers and then And then you go at it. But that's what i said back. When the mixed eighty dared rosenthal it was real basketball. just filmed in cut up in showcase. Now it's it's little different. Kids are playing ford to camera too. That was just yeah. I'm filter filter raw and we cared a lot about like who was ranked up above us. Yeah that was big casino new rankings. Come oh no oh that personal you say that. I didn't know like i was. I was number one hundred. And i got the ninety nine so i didn't really know i didn't. I didn't know the top tatum. So shit i was in the nba. And i started like looking back to see who the who was my peers. And i was like oh like the only person i ever knew. That was like it was the mark johnson. He was ranked number one. All through carlos boozer not in dallas was pretty much. It i didn't. I didn't know. Joe johnson for keith. Bogans and those guys that was up there so you mentioned going to the old drew set board. Eci runs but was la obscene. Coming up man they. Ucla was it was three chords going. It would be like you know you beating everybody on like everybody over there and then you know the middle court right. It was the middle court win. According lost you had to go to the cycler but it was just good basketball. I mean and being so young been around all those athletes and everything was just great like because by the time they hit for you. The era of of guys there that became stars in the league. Now still playing in la. You had these young kids that they're playing near future stars and it was sort of a golden era for la hoops. Yeah when i was. When i was playing or when i was trying to get to that run they wouldn't. There was really no high school. Kids there was no high level high school kids barely any like there was only one college guy and he was gardner and most of those proses on that floor. So other than that you know. Most of it was just pros. You know so trying to get into game was like man. This is a little. You know what i mean. You did get there. Here's more. Shell shock because you know you watch him. You know you watch you know now. These they experienced that they junior sophomore senior year. Getting run getting adjusted quicker and faster change. Should i don't know basically eight was glass. Four for ucla. Like i got in my senior year Who is your probably a little bit after me. when your before your after tremor reason right yes yeah it was it. Was it like muscles. It was like it was like Dorell wright the right will still young ladies in the league at that time I think with miami or something like that but he was still has before the injury. Yeah so been probably been probably that second. That group to rosen. Nah not a little bit before him. Yeah right yeah not been a little bit. Before the rosen. So the right Big kid who went to destroy amir johnson. Burgum negra marcus williams. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so that yeah editor. How about now though now away from the game. Now i've been away from the same with you but you still see is like oh it's different. We added a lot of different. It is different. The arab basketball is just different. Just a lot of filming the. Ucla runs a lot of more flat. More filming now so back then there was no cameras lining nothing. You just had to know so it's just different like is now like i. I call them like game. Change players right this. This is your era of style. That's the funny part about it. You when you came in you came in when point guards was still trying to be point guards. You know what i mean. It was still they were. They were that urge of right before point. Garza was allowed to just say. Let's go see. I was i was i was like iverson was before you go to the two. Then you had you know. Steve francis he was a showcase guy you know. He wasn't a dominant score like he was more of a who's hours he didn't really you know put up sixteen to eighteen so he was just he was just different than you had a mall berry. Who that twenty to twenty four eight assists but he was bombed. You know that that was the label. Decision your ball hog. So i was just unselfish. You know what i mean. That was so when you came in. I remember it. You hit the hit. The fifty five right and i said has two options ebay. He keeps going. His veterans is gonna try to put a hold on it. And i said that's where he's at because he is the new school guard. That's gonna come in and make scorn okay. Or are they still have michael read. You can still got your red. Who also bogey was the bogut. So i'm like you know you already proved that you like. Oh shit he can put up big number he is the next wave so as either just says everybody who. I am adjusting me. Or they're gonna try to make him adjust to them about what that to allow my rookie year trying to figure it out because it was more like you know like you said it wasn't really a thing for point guards to beat the scoring like that so with that a lot. And that's why. I feel like i was really inconsistent. A lot just like feel like milwaukee wouldn't let me be who i went to be was appointed in. Its showed it showed it showed in the game. It showed a gain was like very aggressive and then it was like backseat. Backseat kinda aggressive. And i'm like all them. He's he's battling is battling who he is right now. I mean even with the high time. I came here with the high top on it. They were trying to dumb down. There are trying to be dummied down. Nothing i was just like. Oh that like nah we gotta break. If i can't be myself then you know like that's just my style is important to me now. Who is that on though to help you with that coach event. It's a little bit of both because you know if your general manager and you don't know what you have you can get up. You know of your players. You see something that you don't necessarily agree with. You're going to try to remember your rookie. And so my word means a lot. So if i say yo stop shooting at shit like that's the intimidation. Yeah because now you're scoring fifty five and everybody's like oh. She knew new. you know. i'm i'm the guy trying to get my career back. Nah i need. I need to put a halt to you. Know what i mean. And that's and that's what ends up happening. You know it's one of those things where if you're not a smart enough coach or joel manager to see you have a player who's going to change the game and be ready to trade or sit or bench anybody who's going to interfere with it. You're going to lose that player. And i that same era. I mean that same around the same time that will happen to you in happened in tyreek tyreek evans because after my rookie year we want forty six games. We had a great year. And then we got rid of almost a whole squat so remember. I'm a rookie. And he's like you know me. Kurt thomas like we're bonding like everybody's like this kind of like all right like we just need a couple more visas but we ended up just getting rid of like than everybody and you know. I was ready for that you guys are doing. I'll go and then we don't make the playoffs next year so it was like it kinda just kept me up a little bit but if they were building the team around you that would have made sense. You're saying there was just the transition. We do even have a plan. Your just feel like the moves. We made after my rookie year. I wasn't rolling with like just off because we we already had the the type of bond and the type of players understand me. Johnson was there in the backward bogut. He just had to stay healthy and things like that but we went and got like he. He experienced the dow. Usually when you were a high level player. You're coming into a bad situation in like you'll do you. And then we'll build their. He's coming into a situation where the team is decent so now. He's relying on this team. This team were winning. So he's already mentally adjusted to winning. We got sacrificing to make this work. And then the i call that. Get rid of everybody. Here's your new squad lightly. Holy from forty six. Send a team and i was in that. Be honest with you. I was in that. That's when i that were still like you said trying to get their careers. Things like that so that so now. I'm really just kinda like iago. Hey y'all go in from overseas hyper right so that is usually the when you see a player like like having a real up real down and then he he just sitting is because he's battling with vets that they don't wanna let go you think about that. How would you have handled that. There's this young this young kid lot of sensation around him. Seeing the mix tape he goes out and plays overseas now. He's coming in. I'm going to handle that. But remember john wall. I know so. I knew i couldn't. I couldn't compete with the future so instead of making would take the back seat because i knew if i want to survive. I have to be able to adjust. He doesn't have the jets. he's the new guy to mean. So that's where. I gave the keys the john wall when i was a rookie coming in you know i got next. Antoine i got larry hughes. I got a full squad when i got in. I live new. I remember i'm. I'm racing down the court. I talked to tony parker. So he's a rookie too so he's over at So he started he. He's with a duncan. And dave robinson somebody else like what are you. What do you do. Is you know in half court. Just get the ball. And i'll cut and if they pass it pass. If not a fast break. I just try to beat them down court so i can score. Oh yeah so. That's all i did. I just went to rebound and talk trying to take all his point i did. I remember antoine. A slowdown speed slow. So that's how. I was getting my points just trying to hurry up and beat them down a court and then i remember we were. We were bumping heads. Like my first two years. It was a bum like they were they. Were benching me. They were doing all this. And i'm like if they braved me now on broken forever. You know what i mean. They in that. That's when i realized that just like any level. Everyone's trying to test where everyone's at want survive. I gotta be able to just you just wanted to be mad at me and i mean after games. I'm getting my ass whooped for not passing by. I'll come on tommy through the water. I don't care about none of that about that. Well these. I got two years. So i have to. I have to. I'm trying to get to that next contract two years. I got less than a hundred games. I i didn't have no time to just sit back and just play my position. you know. Try to figure this out. I don't have that luxury. But i see it. I seen in all the time when i had talked to me. We already had a game plan. Got a game plan nate. This would need. This is gonna do be careful so we come in the game. And i'm i. I watch him on. Weakside fast-break fast-break one on one and he brings it out to the three point line. Run offense and i'm sitting here like so after the game. I was going to say this shit during the game. They oh no no no. No you a tiger. I did the research use a tighter. Don't come in here passing br i. I couldn't guard you you you. You gave me a good as day. I get to sleep tonight. You average in this new supposed to come out fire and do what you do. I said don't don't mind. Would he told you he knows what you do. He puts the game in. Which new do as you have to do what you do. Because coach strip you from it you players from it the fans are strictly from it so you have to be able to withstand and do what you do or you know you get you get lost because confidence up. Yeah brennan what you're talking about his identity and you saying you don't have a lot of time. Nobody does come until the early in stick with that. You gotta know your identity and you're trying to figure that out on the fly and things can fall off it. Will you got what what they say windows. Let three three years right windows three nine three years three to four years. So you've got you know you gotta go right in there and figure it out and you feel like you got all the time in the world. I was looking enough to play nine years. You know in league play ten years professionally So you know. It's a blessing. You just gotta look at it and you gotta keep growing like groin and just like you say just keep going and keep moving forward regardless like what everything i always look at situations though like are you looking at players you belie world if he was on this team on my guy who would have been waiting but i do enjoy all. That'd be hard. Just though as i remember i remember. It was playing guys and nick. Nicholson snikola nick. Me the whole time because you're not just got off my knee surgery. So we will you to look at scott report enabling deal. You gotta gar brennan. Jimmy's in a he'd bought chain. You up like yo you. He hit you as a one of them. Who oh he was. The didn't name your name. You just said there's a young player. He was planned. He goes shaking. You sit out the rupp so you go on you go to a man. Please don't want to go through surgery and like now reverting back to the highlight tape. Seemed like y'all a listen. Listen listen if he drives bro. Y'all y'all gonna do. I am not trying to guard him like that live so. Ad ad be ready. I'd rather guard. Michael redd even autofill like running around screens like that. I am not trying to be shaken. Big dog follower. I played you like four times a year. We play like preseason everything. We have some battles. I wanted to see there's ucla runs. Those said those runs where you see the best of someone. Yeah yeah those runs is where you see the best of someone's capability because you gotta remember to not handicapped by system of coach or no rule here so you see players raw and what you see there. You'd be like god dean. Like i'm glad he's there go because players a hat he'll number that you can be five time all star you go to. Ucla runs or in. You got love. Can you up literally bussing your ass. Every summer you get he can never do it in the game. Because he's handicapping for so he's handicapped by system and is there so that's some real you're handing your put in a box. 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And i just accepted number you just for the new next chapter was funny as that's when When i was in memphis right. Yeah i used to watch I had so. I had jeremy cargo and josh shelby. Those were the two rookies was In with me. So i just you know wash them put working right game. Time comes in to the last bench. You'll get in right and i'm training what. I'm trying to show him how to be professional showroom. How to work out right. Not i'm not only level. No more ripe not on a level mentally physically anymore. But i'm getting there getting benched. Because i'm event at the end of that season i said there and had asthma question questions. I love this anymore or was there too much bullshit. You know that just says go different direction so people actually thought i was blackballed because it a good situation like nah played in orlando after that went to memphis after that i was mints elite. I didn't love it the way i did and says i didn't love it no more. I'm not gonna. I don't wanna be on one of those guys. I said on the end of the bench holding up a spot for somebody trying to live their dream and that was my reason. You know but you know i was looking at yeah. My thirty one step is thirty. Two thirty three. And this is this your. This is your game business. And i'm looking at like we hold on. He was handicapped in his early career of that style. But this is his style rainier and at thirty one this still glenn bids for so after still go and i'm like this is style of the guard that that's in pick and roll garner gets to go one on one mismatch problems. Eat this air up. And i said he was handicapped by my era steel but this no big spread it. This this is your air is trying to get back up to last. I mean you gotta remember everyone. Everyone is still at a high level. Are actually older than you hear. Russell's older katie's older james harden's older curry's older bronco rosen's older c. p. s. I mean you know what. I mean and has nothing to do with speed. It's still faster still could shoot. It's thing brain insane is that people don't understand you get millions of dollars play basketball. You know you're doing it that pro level but the point is if if i'm not feeling it if my not in the demento is it sometimes like sometimes when you work so hard and you don't see the fruit labor. Yeah you get discouraged. And i mean and you know the free agent year. I know like mentally that urge to you know what i mean. They're bussing as you're looking at your numbers and this is what i'm going to get. And they lied own even a one year. Yeah i was kind of hurt my year gillies and you know like you know and then other people got paid. It's kind of like now. i just live here. We got up and sometimes the business of basketball screws. Yeah it takes the fun away you know and people don't realize that the business of basketball sometimes takes the fun away and takes the passion out of someone's someone's someone's journey as your team gotta be strong now you've got to have. A strong team starts from home to be like you know you gotta make sure your home is straight and make sure team everybody around you so you know i think best but sometimes even even your home your home situations no matter how strong it is day. They don't understand this part of it because they haven't been there right right. You know so you know no matter. You know what you're saying when you go back home and they're trying they still don't really they really don't understand. You know the battle that you're mentally going through you know from you know coaching road. He's not playing the way he's supposed to be playing you or what. You deserve this guys picking on me. He ain't calling the plays you know what i mean like. I remember hearing a kobe story. Wenches funny in itself. But it makes sense. It makes sense so kobe's average and thirty five. He's averaging thirty five killing he's mad at rudy because he says you're not giving me the ball where i want to wait. You haven't thirty five you making me bring the ball up doing all this. Because i didn't have to do all of this. I forty and i had to figure light. Okay it actually makes you. I'm giving you the ball early. Like no no no. That's not what i want the ball and that's what that's what a beef was about. You funny so what you're saying. There is the life in the role of a bucket gator. You're it's not always welcomed but is needed. It was always needed There was this magic. Johnson is the one who made that pure point guard a thing even though he was a small forward in the ad point guards on his team but they just ended up being scores. I'm the type of you know player in you know coach that i won't all my players weapons i don't wanna did. I don't want a dead man on the court. I want everyone utility guy. Everyone can be able to put up a guard. So i want my guards to score like the more you can score the easier. It is for the past. If you're coming out thinking pass he's never going to get open shot. If you go in thinking score score score that means. His man has to help when he helps. Then you pass you know. So someone like russell reason he can score averages tennessee's because he's passing shit out of the baugh probably makes twenty asses. And i mean but those twenty passes is here. I'm trying to attack here. You know what i mean. So he's getting ten is's versus someone who's making a hundred passes getting seven assists you know and you know our rather have a guy trying to score fifty five game then someone's trying to score seventeen oni out. Seventeen help because i'm one of those. If your ability says this is what you can. Do i want you to tap into that ability all the time. Those other guys will figure that shit out themselves. You know what. I mean because you ain't making them better their work ethic they're training their individual works makes them better and we have this this fake notion of the point guards supposed to make me better not not a real thing if your honda. Your honda honda. I can't make you a ferrari. That's not how that works. You can upgrade your own little piece. Get you a new engine. Put some little sport. That's what you can do to your own car and make yourself valuable in as you become a three point shooter now when i throw it and pass it you make. I didn't make you better. You worked on your game engine better but they have this fake notion of guys make each other better than did curry made durant better. Did durant curry better is durant and kyrie better is making. Ain't no good guys get an even bigger. That's shit out. Right right. I won't booking i want. I want you guys jamal. Crawford lou will jordan clarkson you need those guys. There's going to be appointing game or point when you had a plan and that's off go. Do it for us really got to know how to utilize them though right. I mean you you can have something special and you don't know to use it. I always especially you know when i was playing. I hated the six man who can who who got buckets. I like it was it was it was one of those days like man like the ill way my guy about sub out that he puts the starring folders twenty one. I'm not guarding him. And and that's what ended up having because you remember when i was in had like starters. Are avery ivory roy players. I did you know he's just there for. I can guard him all day. Update i what was coming off the jamal crawford did not true when they had to. They had that. Patrick beverley all day. Gar waves of coming off the bench. They had asked see. You see what it is. You see how the mind works yesterday. Theory there so let's. Let's ask you some questions dive into ask. Agent zero x asians zero. Is it true right. When when when to get off planes they say used to go to the gym and being jump like three or four in the morning and clearly be like the plane. And like. Because i i had i went by my routine. I had to do too early in my career. I was studying the shooter's wall rookie wall. He has shooting slump. Okay so i'm trying to figure out a shooting slump. What does this shoot islam. how do you. How do you get it. How do you get out of it. And i started realizing when i was tracking my shots how that happens in view on a west coast trip right and you got shit nine gains and thirteen days. You ain't getting no shots up like that. I mean you go the day before the game or the day of the game. Get your pre-game shots ending you. Play in all of you to star player. Taken twelve to twenty shots right then. You have a game next. They do the same little routine. And then you have a day ought take the day off you know so in that that five day span you took less than five hundred shots versus when you in the summer. Three hundred four hundred shots day. Five hundred dollars a day so you issues on point. So you're not having a shooting slump is just not a one like you once was so i had to figure out how to keep the volume up. You know what. I mean so. When we landed five o'clock. I tried to get to a gym in my two three hundred shots in and that's that's what i do. They know it was just trying to find ways to get better because in the summer were equal. We all working out three times a day john so i have to try to figure out how to get better than you is. During the season. I gotta try to catch what. I'm trying to catch during the season. 'cause i got to put everybody on the same playing field in the summer know airport so i'm used to fly from to all the way. Take another hour just to go back to the reenen arena as crazy. You know when. I go to town look for twenty four hour fitness. I had jim in it. And also that's what you're thinking that most people get off that plane they want to go home asleep. But you're seeing. It's interesting you to find it you know. It's one of those things. Where when i was when the season started. You know it was all really all about the season. So i didn't. I didn't use my phone during the season. All tickets girlfriend one. One one argument we broke. Up is all got time to be playing those mind games during during the season. You didn't you know we got off the role. They want to go out to eat. You want like. I ain't got time for these little minds he goes. It'd be so i try to. You know. Follow the rule of what i thought the old players doing. Okay no magic. Johnson when you hold her those stories. Yeah so i was trying to figure out how to get you know how to get better. You know because there was one of those things. Where when i came in i have money. I don spent i spent on chain escalate speakers into solitaire. I came in broke so they was no club and for me it was really trying to go pick up girls to handle money anyway so it was one of those days where i just had to sit in the gym so by the time. I got popping. Artie already got a habit. I'm stuck in my habit now. All right well we mentioned this gives modeling tough trial right now. But there's more to it and you mixing vibration vibration that you're on is that what led you into starting a company. Oh yeah when. I went to china in two thousand eighteen. That's what kinda got me into starting to brand I was like the only black person in you know Tie you win so it was like you know it was tough. And now he's always be like man. This is tough. It's a tough crowd so it ended up just buying the name of sitting on it for like a year 'cause i didn't really know what i wanted to do with it and started making clothes and i was just like yeah. I took a search. And i was just like why not just put like you know. Tough crowd on collar and we just ran with it from there so being good man. It's been the experience been great Just being a lot of people like me and a lot of people in lobby to know from before so there's all coming back full circle as the crazy thing about life like everything. Come back full circle so when you say make a shirt. Are you designing the shirt designing Washing it doing all type of things that were cans on like it was the findings. I i own agent. Zero botchy right. It was going to close. And i was i. I don't know. I don't know you know what i mean. I don't i. Don't you know me. I don't i wanted to start. You know one of the started. But i don't have i don't i just don't like jumping what i mean. I you know. Just in and stuff but i you know i'm like you just said on it. I'm sitting on and trying to figure out what i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna do. I started trucking company. So i started agent zero transportation as tough So that's you know. They said you have to do some of the name. Some started agent zero trucking company. Got me got me to trucks. Put him on the road and go from there. That's how it starts though. I mean i don't know where crowds gonna go again. You know but definitely. I plans definitely you know thinking about the future. I want to open up a school. You know like a tough crowd a little academy you know like like seven eighth grade you know saying before they get into high school like you know get them tapping into like different things in life as the toughest age actually wages but it's important though because you know the next step is high school and then you know after that is both you guys are saying. Is these things come to you. It wasn't like you said okay. I'm going to do this like on purpose after this after. This is just something that caught your eye or you're you're actually passionate about and that's the key to it wherever it goes. It's going to be on the street. The your energy drive is. That's why i asked him. I said you know. Was he true about you. You know doing what you did during the season. Because that's just the drive that these kids need to hear like you know i'm still trying to still trying to find ways to keep getting better in trying to stay ahead of the game you know and that and that's that's really the key. I think sometimes what we lose sight of is when we started playing his game to the daily. Make it to the pros. That's how long it's a train was yes to get there and i don't think we actually sit there and you started at tan and you got it took you ten years to get to the pro so when you get there is gonna take another ten years of training to get where you want to be. You know even if it's a championship you it's still journey. And i think when we say it out loud ten years i'll take off in the and i think that's what stops us. Sometimes you know instead of saying argh issue. Because that's what i used to do. I used to go in. And i'm michael. Red meat all star game and i. I was pissed and the fucked up. Part is i was hurt. Majority that season so there was no way. I was gonna make all game but i felt that he made it. I have made it one of those things and my was killing at the time but that was where my mind went over. So they're gonna pick him over me. Going to the lab trying to figure out a way because i have to be realistic before i get to you. I gotta crawl. I got this personnel. We did this person. Come here come here come here. And that's what i was doing every year. You know what i mean like. I see my red thirteen. Not as my position. That's my position you should meet. It should be me okay. Make thirteen second team. That's what was the second thing. I need the second team down team. Now you jump in. And that's and that's how was progressing. Like i didn't really say are. I'm ready for alabama and steve. On on there was there was a level there was levels before them. And you know you know when you're when you're growing up you know you have the number one doll you have the number one number two dog just people you can knock off your list. I you go because what happens if you go straight him and they hit you whore you you never recover from so you got to you know build build and when you get ready for him you video games level boss but sometimes we don't understand that it takes years level you know it's not you know average five this year and i'm gonna average thirty five. You know what i mean. I have five and would aggressive summer. I got the fifteen another aggressive. Got twenty you get. That happens in enemy. You just have to put in that time put into work and understand it. And i think sometimes we forget and we don't like the journey even though we already been through the journey but because it didn't seem like a journey was okay with it. Why is that. I suppose while we don't see it as a journey don't want the journey. We we but they think because when you're a little kid and your goal is the ceiling right. You're doing whatever it takes to get there. Both boom boom right. We not counting the years right from you know eight year old and i'm trying to touch ceiling. Obviously i know i can't touch this year. You know but i'm growing working on my bounce doing all that and that's years before i can get there once year there and you say all right need to go another ten years in like we hold on hold on. Let me let me process that because you got to remember the first ten years you didn't tell me was. There was no time. I was just hide. Wait working on. You know what i mean. And it's the same thing when you get to it. You know what i mean. It shouldn't be no time. You know so when you say. I want to be an all star. Be all nba mvp own amid you. Just gotta put it out there and then just build on. A journey yet to be has to be disciplined. It's hard it's hard when you're in a world when you're a world by yourself and when i say by yourself you're by yourself the only people who can really really understand you is the other four hundred mba players that you're really competing with your your can be. We're we're competing with you. Still you know what i mean. You gotta remember they're gonna they're gonna have the same story most. Nba like friends are still in our still. Because you're going through the same thing you know girl problems baby mama. Problems friends outside friends. Problems family drama. Somebody stealing from me. We're all going to the stage name rug onto the same so we can identify with it and you have that you mentioned team you had that support system you're talking about teaming family and friends at home but you have the support system a team you think about individuals sometimes but like i've heard like skateboarder snowboarders golfer is because an individual sport. They're not cool like that like tiger woods. He didn't wanna because they're all competition with each other. That's your your your com. Nba especially in elliott. Elliott is usually different. Because you're usually friends at some like you because you're going through the circuit together you guys are teaming up. Guys played up the parking lot like his style. Let me you know so when y'all when when those players get nba gotta remember. Elliot kits where you at. You're coming back home. I think saugus sort of exit meeting in bye-bye all kids. all elliott. kids are back home club together. And you're gonna you're gonna hang together so the la is like more of a family. Then everyone else. I mean the julie julie. You're so you don't really. I've never heard of to la players. You know over just beef and beef. And i never really heard of players like that. You know your home so you're going to head you're going to even if your neighborhoods or against each other. You're going to have friends and friends who you know. Bridge those gaps and valley kid. I had elliott fridge who went to crenshaw and some of the west chester. some of them we go to party. One's blood ones a crip. You know what. I mean depends on. Who is the person who. I'm friends with today neighborhood. I'm with him. that's how it worked. You know what i mean. It's it's it's different like i mean. La is one of those things where it's you're glad to be here because of the game is just all different game and opportunities that you mentioned that. We're tough crowd of people that you know that were in your life. They came back to it as nba player. You said it was a great part of your life as part of your life but that opened doors few do other things. Yeah yeah just so crate aside That we're more than just athletes Me just happened into fashion. You know. I'm doing this for all of us for the next young nba player. I mean nec's bay player wanna come up or just in general. I'm just. I'm just here to just give another opportunity again just like i do when i was nineteen making my decision oversee so i'm always trying to be a trendsetter. Just do my thing. And i just stay in my lane and i'm always going to do me so you know they're always and it makes so much sense because you're looked at the whole drip the whole tunnel walk urine. Somebody else's stuff from russ has under the gift to give. Why not do it. you know mardi very knowledgeable. One is going to be the one who puts his love into. I mean you know you know. He said his next career in the next two raider. So it's more just being more disciplined more disciplined like you said patients in being able to trust the process like of it 'cause Across two thousand eighteen is two thousand twenty one so three years so every year. We're getting better. And better. And i can just as i remember. I think it was. Nellie i think it was who said he said you know people like yeah. You fell off like i had a career career. A curious ups now's peaks valleys and that's what a career is union. You fall you build backup you fall you bill back w i like you know i think the thing that people root for reinvent yourself you know you gotta you gotta try you gotta try things you know like some years you know some years you you be safe you know because you don't know where the trans going. Sometimes you try some edgy. They don't like okay. Do something different like you know. That's what i like about. Kanye tries different than just tries it. And then if it's not for sure goes for it. You got to you know because you just you don't know maybe it's ahead of this time right and no one likes it and then it comes back up would increase back up your back at the top of the low shoes. It's not like i'm looking at. The man worked both lanos photo. Just pick these up other stuff like that. Someone had to really put it to thought in in. Put it out there and try it. You got to someone's going like madison. Wisconsin it. i like. We said we started off saying pioneer. But we're gonna end on this trend setter jersey more. Transient which richard for sure. Botchy tough crowd already. Did you say botchy bike. Collab- asia's never know. I i got gotta i got to get into step my game up. It's a process of crowd. That's a that's a and brand agency roses. That's that's seems like basketball. Frame of mind is just like basketball gear. The botchy just betting you know some basketball jerseys and socks and never know you never know you never know you never know brandon. Thank you guys. man for. Having a problem with the legend with the legend himself to latency was crazy. When i eleventh grade year i think the pitcher to you you see i had i had adidas. Make some custom shoes of of his young money on eleventh grade. No yeah and. I told him i was like. Yeah when i. I used to take responsible by jordan and Coach to get mad. Because i used to always have my eight zero. I gotta i gotta have these on. I gotta yeah. That's great okay. yeah for sure. I say that's what we're saying entrance header. So agents here. Agents by giving arena brandon jennings. I'm mike this has been no chill with gilbert arenas remember you can catch us every monday. Eight pm eastern on the football sports network.

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Hour 1: Dodgers' Dilemma

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Hour 1: Dodgers' Dilemma

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Asher lingering odor. Switch to jewel. Check O J U, L dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. What's going on? I take fam- catch us on weekdays ten AM to noon eastern on ESPN. That's ahead on this Monday. The Red Sox are World Series champs. So how did they dismantle the dodgers? And in the NFL to the Rams get exposed in a win over the Packers. Plus is James Winston now a bust and should the struggling giants sit easy ally. Odell and saquon the rest of the season and would LeBron be a superstar if he played in the same era as Michael Jordan, wait until you hear this debate. Let's get started. What's going on everybody? Welcome into I take on Monday. Hope you all had a wonderful weekend. So good to be here with us. Stephen a Smith max Kellerman on more we care. Right. Good to be back better much better. One hundred percent, but we are much better and happy to be here. So let's do it. Not as happy as Boston fans, though must be good to be a Boston sports fan. The Red Sox beat the dodgers five to one to win their World Series championship in fifteen years. A full team effort LA meanwhile comes up sword in the World Series for the second year in a row. Max Kellerman, what happened to those dodgers? The Boston Red Sox. And believe me. I hate living in this world. I hate it. We're the Red Sox are this good. But they're baseball is fundamentally probabilistic sport meeting. The best team doesn't always win. Even the regular season doesn't always tell you who the best team was and the postseason frequently doesn't law. It's luck dependent every now. And then though team is so good that it doesn't matter who they play. It doesn't matter if they run into some bad luck. It just doesn't matter. The eighty four Tigers were like that teams that I've seen two ninety eight Yankees were like that this red sock. Team was like that they had a hundred win team in their division their chief rival and they won. Division by eight games when their chief rival head one hundred wins. They beat them in the playoffs and then another hundred plus team in the playoffs. I mean, it was and then they face a dodgers team. The dodgers were not as good as the Red Sox, obviously. But the dodgers even had some luck. And it wasn't enough against this Red Sox team. It makes me sick. But I said fifteen years ago when they hired Bill James they'd win three of the next ten World Series. They've now won four of the next fifteen for me. The good news is that paces actually slowing down. Stephen A. The Red Sox were the first team to play money bowl with money. And as a result, they have an institutional advantage against all the other teams. They have the highest payroll, and they're the smartest organization, and it makes me sick to say about what happened to the dodgers. Is they ran into one of the all time great teams that was going to win the World Series this year. No matter what you should have known that. When you picked it the dodgers to win the World Series. You didn't. And I understand why I don't blame you pick the Red Sox to win. I'm not surprised clearly that has something to do with it. But to address this question directly what happens at the dodgers. Of course, we could sit up the the Red Sox. But for me Mets, personally, just my personal thought. Day Rogers happen, regardless they Robertson. Sorry cape. Roberts happened to the dodgers. I could not believe that this man. See to me. The Red Sox is going to win this series. No matter what. But where I'm pausing. This is that he is the reason the dodgers are going in five games as opposed to six or seven games how in God's name does hill pit six and a third innings of one hit ball. And you take that man out the game. How do you do that? That's that's a colossal mistake given in analytics giving letting numbers game you've served your eyeballs at what you're witnessing. And what you're seeing transplant transpired before your very hot thought he was guilty of that. That's number one. Number two, the heart of the dodgers. I've had questions about it for years nothing different air, but I'm not going to. I'm not going to belabor that issue. Number three. We can look at Corey we consider fan say he out managed Roberts. Okay. It's he knew that the dodgers have trouble with left these. And he had to it. I'm available for gay five in both sale in price. Okay. But more importantly than that. I'm also going to look at it from the standpoint that you're Robert you've got to know what your team's weaknesses, and you've got to insulate that from them. If you ran with just roll the dice, no matter what pep talk. Chris sale was given his teammates in the dugout saying the guy's got to pitches dig deep. Well, why is he why is he dominating us, regardless of that pep talk at the end of the day. It's one game. You had a seven hour and twenty minutes eighteen and a game in game three that obviously you want with a walk off home. Okay. What you gotta do in that situation. You've got to roll the dice. And rod the way with hill. Let me tell you why you do it. Because if you do that, you never know what kind of you have strictly the gay five again. I thought Boston was go win the series. No matter what. But I'm on. I'm looking at Dave Dave Roberts, a wide ended in five we tell you why you're wrong because Dave Roberts. Is going to be second. Guessed no matter what he did. Whether he went the analytics route which that dodgers team is set up for whether he played it more by his gut. And by the way, if you ask your pitcher, what do you got left, and your pictures, like not much would even in terms of the old timey way of playing baseball, you might yank the guy the point my very point about what happened to the dodgers is the Red Sox is that Dave Roberts was going to get blamed no matter what baseball is a game that feels very much out of control. So a lot of times, you think if only the manager had done this or that what I'm saying is there is not a damn thing. Dave Roberts could have done to change the outcome of this series. I know you believe that to you pick the Red Sox. But I mean, Tom Dave Robinson ended in five to get to get on the Robert because he made the analytics choice. No matter. What choice it's not gonna work against this team. They're gonna get into this much more later in the show. Just come in. Does they'll be with us? But at the end of the day, listen they lost to a better team. We gotta get to some football the Packers come back. Hopes crushed by time. Montgomery's thumoed return. He was supposed to take the EPA catching the ball two yards. Jeep in the end. Don't leave Aaron Rodgers fun. It's Aaron Rodgers time to engineer a game. Winning drive postgame. Everybody talking about the time blunder take. Very disappointing. I played in lose the game. But it definitely. Took away opportunity for us to go down and win. It. Fumbled. And that was exciting. They're exciting. I said the locker and those probably my favorite one of the year. All right. Well, listen, what might be the bigger story is that the Packers. Almost knocked off the perfect Rams. Arguably the best team in the league's Stephen. I do feel better or worse about those LA Rams today. I feel worse about the Rams today because I think they show some vulnerability. But before I even go any further, let me say this time Montgomery cut this. I'd get rid of him. He'd be out. And here's the reason why has nothing to do with the mistake. It's the motivation behind which made the mistake. The fact that you would see on the sidelines. You know, engaging in history on it talking about you go and do you because you say that the ball wasn't coming your way? What to have been taken out for particular playoff? Forgot what it was. But he was seeing on the sidelines making the scene and guys had to calm him down. Did he was instructed to take a knee? Give who are you giving the ball to in this situation somewhat? Greatest quarter. I mean, the greatest one of the greatest quarterback in my opinion. The most talented quarterback in the history of football who has a pinch for coming back. And you sit up the en- literally tell your teammates. According to the report, you literally told you teammate Ahmadou me. And you know, the coach's orders you ignored the instructions you ignore the man Aaron Rodgers is the God waiting for the boat, which is one Aaron Rodgers walked over them. Everybody else's tapping back and rods won't go over them. Like, what the hell are you doing? Why would you do something like that? I mean, that's that's that's complete insubordination a right? And is not only gets the team not only serving your self interest. Not only ignoring coach Mike McCarthy. But it knowing the greatness of the quarterback yo play you're playing with inexcusable he wouldn't be gone gone. Now having said all of that. I understand that Cup is not a. Salable yesterday. And I get all of that. And the Rams squeaked it out Todd Gurley. Absolute stud. Jared Gulf can ball. We get all of this. But what I'm looking at with the Rams is that if you recall, I said the rule to the Super Bowl their best shot is to make sure they have who field advantage. And I looked at that whole feel yesterday. And I thought it was Lambeau theme. If it wasn't for the sunshine if it wasn't for the sunshine equation. I'm sitting in this day. And what the hell was I thinking by not being in LA this week with the dodgers. And the Rams UC hermit was was coaching. Arizona's dan. Damn. I cannot miss this. I said have been in LA this weekend. But that's beside the point to point is with all of that going on field advantage. Understand they travel, but that was just embarrassing for LA to sit revealed is whether or not they wind up the road goes through LA, it's not a home video with anyone necessarily a whole field. So I'm only the only thing I'm saying is this and not only that defense. Look vulnerable. Nasa gets Amerada, I get that. But again, you might go against drew brings you might go against a hot Carson wit Masuma. He continued to get better and healthy as the season progresses. Okay. And of course, obviously this Aaron Rogers to be worried about with Green Bay coming all Cam Newton. Let's not forget that. I'm looking at various quarterbacks that can handle the kind of adversity to Rams might throw their way. And I'm saying excuse me this explosive juggernaut that we've been talking about. Maybe we need to pump the brakes touch. I'm going to be very interested to see what happens for the out first of all time Montgomery, the most important reason to be upset with him today is he stopped me from looking like a genius because I took the Packers in enough. That's the most value being. You being trite? And by the way, I can get by the way. I basically was right Bali. Let's be on. The fact of the matter is. The class single person delivery every single person on earth. What were they thinking? When Aaron Rodgers had the ball back with two minutes left in the game down. The field. Worried is hell there was not a doubt in a single person's mind on earth that the Packers were going to win that game. You're going to stop Aaron Rodgers for Arron Rogers ridiculous. He can do that. At will. He did it during this game. He made impossible please Aaron Rodgers. He's unbelievable. Of course, the Packers were going to win for time Montgomery to blow that for that pack to shine to. But let me tell you. Why let me tell you why I feel actually better about the Rams today. I didn't think they'd be undefeated teen in to fifteen. Yeah. Here's a look that going to lose to in a game. They that's why I picked it with my gut this game. The Packers were fully healthy ready to go. Of course, they're going to be slept on guys footballs and. Selling game on the line of scrimmage like that terrible out Pacino's speech from any given Sunday. But it actually true. It's like who wants that little extra half inch more, right? And on the line of scrimmage that stuff makes a difference. So I figured with the offensive line healthy every the guards back in position. They don't have to play tackle they're going to do better against Aaron Donald at least, you know, getting a little bit of a pocket for Rogers than people expect all those kinds of things that basically happened, right? It's a trap game for LA. This adrenaline is not quite there. This is the game. They lose their supposed when Rogers looking healthier all that happened. They still won. Like, I mentioned this about the Red Sox against the Astrum when the best team in the league also gets a little lucky like the L unveil run gets taken away when the Rams are team that could catch the little lucky. I said fourteen to I'm revising that they're gonna be fifteen in one because that's their loss that they got away with. So do I feel better or worse? They just wanna game house expecting them to lose it. There's just the same team. I thought that were. Can you run it on them a little more than I thought? Yeah, they Packers show that you can run it on a little. But otherwise that no team is perfect. Did the team? I thought they were and it got a little lucky. I don't feel about the reason. Why feel worse about them? Also is because listen, we all got mad respect for Marcus Peters. We know what he's capable of from his days in Kansas City. And now he came over the to leave obviously wasn't available yesterday. But when you look at pitas. Devante Adams was having his day head one hundred and thirty three receiving yards. Okay. This dude was balling skate. Scancen Saint Brown of guys getting open. I saw Marcus Peters in the vicinity quite more than I expected to. You can't have a situation where you can take advantage of those two points again to league was out. But to leave is there with pitas, your banking on the fact that does do have buffer just secondary so significantly that is going to be difficult to pass. You can't just rely on your rut with Donald Domino's, boys. You've got to have a secondary that can maintain folks even. Oh, it was Rogers doorpost football. I get it. I store receivers. Open on far too many today with that. Today with that was something that expectation which is lower than it should be and results is offset. By the fact, that I mentioned Aaron Rodgers makes plays only Allen Rogers can be Jared Goff is turning into one of those guys. He had a couple of throws yesterday where he used mobility to escape pressure and thread the needle where only the receiver could make the play golf has been dropping dimes. Tom. I don't think that's offset complain, Tom. You gotta have a secondary that can shut down oppose receive. It's if you are the Rams, you cannot make all of those moves in off season that you may would dominate in and to leave and Peters and resigned. Aaron Donald like, you should have been. And then all of a sudden, it's a problem in your defense appears vulnerable that cannot. It doesn't always a good thing though, patriots. All right guy. So obviously impressive performance by the Packers though, hanging tough. Of course at the Rams, let's take a look at that division. Chicago is cursed by the Vikings in then the Packers. So back to do like the Packers should now. Be the favorites. NFC north obviously the Vikings coming off a loss because they have Aaron Rodgers. It's really that. Simple. Look I can get into the details. If you wanna get back to Rogers first of all, you know, the defensive second the defensive backfield that Stephen laments for the Steelers that's been an issue for several teams with with higher hopes that are justified based on the secondary issue the issues in their secondary. The Steelers have been a team like that in recent years and so of the Packers. But you know, what happened to the Packers kind of like what happened to the Rams when they were so bad year after year after year, they just keep drafting in the first round eventually of a stockpile of talent the Packers have some talent and their secondary. Now that defensive backfield pretty good now you have the offense of line healthy which. When healthy you could argue is the best in football. And they looked at yesterday. What everyone's in the right position. Their cards are good the centers pretty good the tackles are elite. That's a healthy offensive line. Now, they have a secondary. They have a running game to would've been the two issues for the Packers more than any in recent years secondary one in game they have a running game they have a secondary. So like, those are all the kind of details. But then the big picture is guys Matthew Stafford Aaron Rodgers Trubisky for Aaron Rodgers once the other things are kind of squared away the Vikings defense this year were Aaron Rodgers Rodgers will be the difference as he is every year. The Packers will take the NFC north in fact after all listen, nobody can bet against Amer Rogers, particularly in the NFC north. But I got to see more to Packers defense before I'm willing to elevate them to that level. I'm just not sold on it yesterday. They were increase. Ably impressive on many many occasions. And I gotta give them credit where credit is due 'cause I didn't expect this. I didn't expect the defense to show up the way that it did particularly early on. They were sacking Jared Goff. They will apply pressure all day long. The secondary showed up and was making some good plays. I give them a lot of credit, but I'm not sold on it. And the reason why because the Chicago Bears, I got news for you. I've watched Mitchell Trubisky. He's not there yet. He's getting better. What I find most impressive about him though. I like the way he runs the football as well. Because he moves he moves the chains with his feet, not just as arm. And then I'm thinking about the fact that Khalil Mack has not been there. The last couple of gauge eventually he's coming back. I'm also thinking about how the season wage inclement weather is going to play a role, and what you're going to have to bring to the table is you're running game. And I don't have faith in Green Bay Packer that they're going to be able to do that. It's I have all faith in the world about Arron Rogers. So I would never sit them being safe, Tom vetting. Against him because he's dead. Do my flip side to it. However is that I look at Green Bay's running game, which I don't think we'll be relied upon and the defense and Mike McCarthy, which I'm not necessarily trusted. Whereas in the case of the Chicago biz wants Khalil Mack gets back. I think the defense is going to elevate significantly and authencity I just think that Mitchell Trubisky, especially with this kid to Rico, and I love I got I'm a fan of to Rico and his brother can play and he makes things happen. I don't know what the hell. The jets would thinking about yesterday the little little drop off screen it just blitz and he had the whole left side of the football field. Open. Just one man that beat for sixty yards or something made no sense to me whatsoever. But three colon could play I like the weapons that Chicago has I think they're being underestimated. And I'm not ready to say that it's really a little something here and their main thing, and I saw it last year. He can outrun linebackers. He's a little faster than I thought he was and he's still not accurate enough down the field for me. I know his QBR is good and all that stuff. I don't believe in Trubisky yet. Matthew, Stafford we know what he is very talented has underachieved. Maybe that's the result of the lions organization and Kirk cousins is good. But not great quarterback on a team. Who's defense? Suddenly, isn't that good and Arron Rogers defenses suddenly better than we thought his line is healthy. And he's got this for me respond to this for me. I was watching the beige yesterday. And you know, what I found myself thinking not so much Bisky as McNabb. But Tariq Cohen as Brian Westbrook. Never back in the day. How McNabb us to utilize him? So you had received who could bowl this before. TR rod receivers who the Pinkston, Freddie, Mitchell's of the world and others you had due to who could do a little something. But really it was about McNabb and Westbrook. And I'm saying to you this kid to re Cohen reminds me of that guy, and I think Trubisky along with I think they will utilize him affectively enough where he'll be that kind of weapon. That Westbrook was. Using the Philadelphia think their talent is pitched as high as McNabb and Westbrook Westbrook. If he was a little bigger and could stay on the field Westwick wasn't this fast. Was what would have been an elite that like he was all kind of elite. Anyway, when he was he was eve is a bulky alert Shawn McCoy right to some degree, right? This is still interesting like hanging in it into your point Chicago, then have Alan Robinson either. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. 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I mean, I don't have any problem making decisions, and I'll make it when this is right now is probably not the right time to make it every time. I go out there. I feel I get a team to win. But I hope to back that up. I know who I am a no way as a player. I just have to execute. Now, let's get you back to I take. Ten pick in eleventh turnover in the last four games for Jamieson. Winston Ryan Fitzpatrick comes in almost saves the day yet again in the building morning. The moment. I'm good. I'm good you. Good. Okay. Let's be real max. Yep. Is a Winston a James Winston is a bust. I'm gonna say it. Now, I said that the team should move on from him already. Because it look I know people put up with a lot of nonsense, and I was not a knee-jerk against James Winston guide tended some of his stuff in college. I thought oh, wait a minute. Limit the whole crab. The whole crab legs thing. I thought he was a good talent the whole thing. He looked like the kind of football player will make the cut of his jib on the field. But the fact is enough nonsense. If you look at the details of the report and everything like hold on James what's going on with you. What's going on with like recidivist behavior, you keep messing up? Well does the play on the football field not justify it. But can you live with the off-field stuff as sports fans are want to do because the play on the field justifies it, although? Although Fitzpatrick is not a great quarterback. But he just was a competent quarterback who made do with these incredible offense of weapons and the offense was humming. But it's Patrick is inconsistent. We know so the offense stalled out at us at a minute. And then after a while and then James comes in. But what he's showing? Now, the reason when I was like, oh, boy, they should sign. The Sean Jackson put him with Mike Evans. Oh my God. OJ howard. They're going to have this. Great offense. Maybe maybe I was wrong. Maybe these guys aren't as good as they thought. They were when Winston was the quarterback Winston has shown now is this is his fourth season in the league. We know what this offense can do when the quarterback is making accurate throws down the field and not making mental errors we've seen it. It's his he's he's the number one overall pick. This is his fourth year. He's being yanked from the game based on performance people. That's what's known as of August. I disagree with you. And the reason why I disagree with you is because I think he putting all the accountability on his shoulders and not enough accountability on the organization, and I would point to the evidence that existed look at Jeff Fisher coaching, Jared golf and look at you. Sean McVeigh coaching Jared Goff coaching matters in the national fully. I'm not trying to absolve. Jamie was Winston for anything. We've called him out on on several occasions on this show, this behavior, etc. Cetera. I know how strongly you felt about it. You know, how strongly I've thought about it. Because when you read the report, it was just agree. Makes no no damn excuse for whatsoever. But we need to keep a couple of things in mind. If we're going to point the finger at him the organization do about that they kept him around. They knew all the stuff that we would later find out they kept him around. He was their franchise guy. You got rid of lovey Smith. You bring in dirt cutter because cut is supposed to have this special relationship with him. And then there was supposed to elevate or expedite the maturation process, or whatever the case may be we saw some improvement. He went from fifty eight percent completion of his passes a one to sixty year two to sixty three last year what gets derailed this year. He's suspended for the first three games. Ryan Fitzpatrick comes up in their flat out ball, and with the exception of the bad half against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday night football. And then what does cut it decided to do after one bad half? I get Chicago. He benches inputs James Winston up in there. And lo and behold James winter his situation with you feeling pressure to step up and produce. Because you got to measure up to what Ryan Fitzpatrick has done, and what level of confidence he's instilled in these guys. I don't Zotov James wisdom by any stretch of the imagination. I think he should be bench. I think the rest of the year should be Ryan Fitzpatrick right now. But in terms of the future. Let's wait before you jump in. Because I get that. You're not saying he's a bus. But would you give them a mega contract? No. But let me ask you this. Because if you're a number one if you're an number one quarterback, right? Then you're you're supposed to be franchise Bill. You're saying you don't think he's a franchise. Don't yet. But think what listen to what I said, we saw golf with fish. We saw we see golf with McVeigh, and we have constantly heard about the importance of coaching. I am not sold on dirt cutter. I'm not sold on a Tampa Bay organization to me. I'm like, okay. You want to get rid of it because gonna get along. I'm just curious would give him a mega. I would not let me ask you a question. What's the number on Java quarterback the number one job? According to say, I'm gonna tell you that leadership, but the number one job with a quarterback is to protect the football. Now people people will point to leadership which. We wanted to intangible Jamie, Jamie Winstons possesses leadership qualify, you know, since two thousand fifteen seventy turnovers. Secondly to Blake Bortles, but here's a caviar. He's played five hundred twenty nine less snaps. So actually, he's the worst in the league at protecting the football. Now when you look at it. Now when you look at it, absolutely again, you could point that to would see it was talking about as far as the bucks organization, but you, but I'm I'm assuming coming in. They figured we get the coach, and we can rectify the turnovers, but this is a situation where a zebra doesn't change his stripes. Okay. He's in his fourth year. Now, he's playing his fourth year the gods attornal machine here the same amount of interceptions coming off a three game suspension that rookie Sam Donaldson ten ten interceptions. He. I mean, listen, you cannot win if you were going to tell me buck news organization, they go out. They get they got Mike Evans, they and they go get Sean Jackson. They go out on the wing speaking to the organization has done to try to help a young quarterback. They go out and draft the OJ Howard in the first round. They drafted a second running back. They done everything imaginable with the Tel bay organization until Bay Buccaneers organization to try to surround him with a Lee county. Okay. Here's a here's the kicker. The kicker is you got Ryan Fitzpatrick comes in and shows you like look at the potential that often. I think that's that's the, Dan. That's the most damning thing about James Winston the fact that Ryan Fitzpatrick a journeyman quarterback can come in and make that Tampa Bay office. Look totally different than what. What? I want to stay right there. That's when I started saying member to start this season after watching Fitzpatrick for a couple of games, James Winston, really stinks. He's not good like people who thought he is good like I'm one of them sometimes in football because there aren't a tremendous number of reps. Right. A guy gives you a certain feeling he has a big arm Heisman, John all this stuff. So you go yet. But in fact, the results were at their and Fitzpatrick pointed that out to me because he's not great and he's inconsistent. It's Patrick, but you see what that offense can be with a competent quarterback. Stephen. That's the evidence. I give you for why it's not about coaching. It's not a Jared Goff. Jeff Fisher situation because a competent quarterback. I'm not I'm not a believer in there. But let me get let me get to your point. That's you, and I are polar opposites on that. Because I do think that's about poaching. And here's why I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is the perfect level of evidence that it's not about coaching that it is about coaching to some degree rather. Because he has been around even though he's been a multitude of teams. He's thirty five going on thirty six years of age. He's been about six or seven different teams buffalo Houston. And let's goes on the bottom line is is that you as a dirt cutter you get to call your place. You get to be a football man and just simply be an exit those guys when it came to Jameis Winston lovey Smith is gone because they said you needed something different with this guy. This guy who he is. And what he brings to the table. We don't need just Xs and os. We need something extra. That's my point. When you look at Shoreham. Mcveigh and the kind of impact that he has had on the players on the Los Angeles Rams, then talking not just about his ex's an old his courageousness even thought he was relatively conservative on a couple of occasions yesterday. Bottom line is that when you look at Sean McVeigh, you talk about how he's ingratiated himself with his personnel. And how these guys believe in him? And the message he selling in the kind of relationship that he has now I never played in the National Football League. I listened to the afficionados and everybody talks about the importance of coaching. And they talk about that relationship particularly with a quarterback and a coach this man got the head coaching job because of his relationship with James wicked. They got rid of lovey Smith over one year. I mean, this is the kind of things I'm paying attention. Jamie, which could end all those turnovers. But see he's saying. Into you. Sure. Do you feel that James Winston can can not be attornal turnover machine? Boom forward. I think I think with the right coaching. He can I think if he was playing I think I think he requires more than a typical quarterback should require. I get that. But I do think that that's something that he could alleviate. I think he's a risk taker because he's constantly trying to trying to read the needle and push the envelope. I think that's who he is by nature. I think that could be compromised, I think that could be massage to some degree. I just don't think it could be by cutter. And I'm not saying. Nokia coach, but he certainly all the weapons right James Winston has one thing going for him his age. He's still a baby's twenty four years old, but he also acts like a baby. So he needs to grow up off the field. He needs to be a much better decision maker on the field. That is not what he is now. And they have a contract decision to make it on the ultimate indictment is that the Sean Jackson reportedly wants out. He was not saying that the first three weeks of the season. When Ryan Fitzpatrick was quarterback in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's the ultimate right? If he had a franchise quarterback. I don't think he'd be wanting to leave. Nobody's saying that Davis Winston's a franchise quarterback. And if you're a number one. But he hasn't been true. All right. You'll be back with us and a little bit. Okay. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent lightning storm here to describe the event a TV tray. I was watching football and holding a plate of Meatloaf wind Cup. Bam a bolt of lightning slams into the apartment blowing out the TV and surround sound anything. You could have done to help. I'm a foldable table. Not an electrician you were TV. Trae can't help you in a lightning storm. But the co insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Go to Geico dot com to see how a forcible renter's insurance can be. Sports right now, the Collins after winning one hundred eight games and promising to do damage this postseason mission accomplished for Boston. The Red Sox waking up this morning as World Series champs. Let's show you how Boston won their fourth crown in fifteen years. Gained five dodgers facing elimination their best Clayton Kershaw on the mound. Top of the first one for St. peers, here's doing damage early on Kercheval fastball Pierce goes yard to left center for the two of on Homer. So it's to nothing Red Sox. Let's jump to the top of the six now. To one Red Sox Mukhi bats Oprah's faster teen has long guest hitless streak of the season bets. So low shot that is up and over the wall and left the vet SOX extending their lead three to one then Chris sale coming in dodgers down to the last out with money Machado at the plate my child. Oh with the big swing and a man sales striking out the side to end the game. The Red Sox win five won their first championship since plenty thirteen. Let's get you back to I take. These three not happy grew up a dodgers fan COPA. Yankees fan. Red Sox win the World Series. Dodgers come up short. And there are a lot of people questioning Dave Roberts some of the flesh teammate in the series. We're now joined by our friend future hall of Famer. Jessica Mendoza, Hugh. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I'm starting with you. How much blame does Roberts deserve to dozen eighteen it's not the manager anymore. And it is Dave Robertson gets a bulk of the decisions but the day and age of the manager being the one that right? The lineup to make all the decisions ain't no more. It's about the front office combined with the manager. So if you wanna fall blame. Yes, I get the Dave Roberts had specific decisions. Taking out HALE in Dame four is the big gleaming one. But as far as writing lineup. So max Muncie, Cody Bellinger jock. But Peterson not being in the line at those first two games. That's not just Dave Roberts. That is a combination of everyone in that front office. They combine to make those decisions go and by the way as it was reported on ESPN dot com. It's not like Dave Roberts said boy that Richhill is really going great. Let's take him out. I remember when I was like eight years old. There was an article in Sports Illustrated about sabermetrics because Bill James was starting to put stuff out. And it was starting to affect smart people in baseball took another thirty years for the dumb people to catch on penalty. They finally have. But the point was that the joke was the cartoon and the caption was hey, Fernando Valenzuela. I know you have a no hitter through nine innings, but the computer says we have to take you out haha. That's not what happened here. Dave Roberts went to rich hill and said, how are you feeling Richhill said, I'm giving you everything I have. But let's take it batter to batter. Keep your eye on me. That's not all over analytics that is a manager. What the what the players telling him can I respond to that. Because what you just said. That's why I don't wanna hear that. And here's the reason why because that means they. They come from upstairs you as the manager walked onto mount he's failing. And he's telling you keep your eye on me, or whatever you gotta four-run cushion, wait until the traits before you take about if it's all this. You just you just played seven hours and twenty minutes less than twenty four hours earlier. I'm like, you know, and not only that core is doing a hell of a job. He's got his office ready. You know, you're going to have to do right that rich hill way. Just so that's where I'm at with what stood out to me. More was actually Sunday morning when rich HALE spoke to people, and it came down to actually it was a miscommunication. He said keep your eye on me because I'm dealing like I feel like I'm actually going really well. You know what I'm saying literally tape. Provice? I on me because I like he took it. He just listen to what you're saying. Listen to what you're saying. Because we're we're leading on you. And your baseball expertise. You're telling me on national television that the manager that we're looking at manager. We're all looking at it. And I'm saying Dave Roberts. What the hell? Are you doing? What are you taking a man now max brought up the point? And you're saying that day profits didn't understand his player. I got nothing else to say extent. That'll Dan Roberts. Oh, that's just communication like to me communication at this level is so much more important than even the feel of understanding when to take him out. It's the fact that they did communicate. It was thirty seconds of communication. But it was understood that hey, keep an eye on me to rich hill was actually keep it because I'm feeling really good. The phrase it always the also put Johnson, and he clearly had nothing left. Okay. Boston's got two left. These ready for you in game five they know you struggle against lefties got sale and price ready for you. You have no answer. That's a problem. I blame the Red Sox. The Red Sox went one hundred feet. Two hundred win teams on the way to the World Series relatively easily. Actually, they've lost very few games. Even in the playoffs against these. Great teams. They laxed the dodgers. Jessica Dave Roberts could've managed like any kind of came on his best nee. Dave roberts. Dave Roberts is not an awful manager. We will rip him, and we can say, no. But we can take those moments you can take Clayton Kershaw and just destroy him. You're right next to. But I think the best team that we have seen at least in our generation. I'll put that out there. I know the ninety eight Yankees, I probably not as good as well. Hey, they're not done yet. And I'd like to see exactly what Dave from Bronx has done with this team in bringing JD Martinez. Steamed Pierce and Nathan evolved goes the transactions that he made halfway through the season. I mean that is much as I will say tension and this team I will say this desk. Here's where I will stop with Macs. When we bring up Kercheval, oh, your points, valid nobody. I mean, how did me? I of course, I'm not refuting but five pitches into the game. You give a thing to me before somebody had a chance to take a sip on water. This do with ready trouble. He's claimed show. To camper, Sean, Payton Kershaw without a championship. And I'm telling you we are going to see him do some here some Yankees since CCC bath. Yeah. He needs to throw a too fast ball and change something that is going to run away from these right hand about is all my team. I am not giving up on her show. Doc standing listen dodger said here is the problem. And Jessica I like to say, I told you so I hate when people tell me that though, they're never gonna win a World Series as long as Clayton Kershaw. I'm coming back. I'm coming back. If your day, they get one on the dodgers to blame. Either saying the Red Sox happened to them. It's an all the best team since the ninety eight Yankees who were better. But but okay, if you're looking for someone on the dodgers to blame her Shaw has is arguably arguably the most dominant regular season pitcher through his prime ever. He's sandy Colfax Pedro Martinez. And anyone else you wanna mention lefty grove back to Walter Johnson just as dominant as those guys, and he is the worst ever in the postseason. Jessica you can't win a World Series. If that guy's pitching two or twenty times for you. I'm saying he's not done Clayton Kershaw. You carry that? Look, I feel like he can still come back. He still has stuff in him. Postseason before each season. Non postseason before this price proved it how many seasons you want to sacrifice. If. It was sandy Colfax Orel Hershiser or for Nando Valenzuela. They don't want to or three World Series by now. The Rams this year in LA. Winning the Super Bowl. Right. Hang on that. So good to have us all with all the world. Coming back. I hear college. I don't give up on him. All right. Let's leave it there.

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Episode 61: Roscoe Dash

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My man been and john right there down when your bottom left with the screen and then our guest right here rosso death so as we do we check from their last episode from lonzo man really. I decided she a weekend from thursday friday through saturday. I'd say the only excitement while it was he big excitement family. Excitement was one of my daughters graduated from college to got a college degree in psychology. So she's helping people in this world dillon with midst stuff like that. Milton awareness so yes slacked off to her via is he is a sas as she is a hard worker. She was dedicated issue in school or working. Two three jobs Running a little. And darren cove it. She started baking and watching her mom for all these years in the kitchen. She started baking cookies for all the protesting going on obviously in the milwaukee area and it was a thing and so she was. I own call week after week during the you know covert locked down and obviously all the the social justice protesting that was going on around the united states world but also in milwaukee area and she was bringing in because we were asking why we're posing get hungry to. We need food. We need stacks is so she accommodated them with. Break it with baking some. I mean great tasting cookies up. i was the packer. So as you're packing off sneaking a bite on my out that takes good we gotta get we gotta. They gotta lead us house. So congratulations to her. I'm so happy for her. And that for me as a dad and when we were just talking off camera off a record was that you know hindi and a data three. I'm i'm gonna dad a four daughters and so right now Three of the four have graduated college with a degree so me and wife and we doing our jobs. We make sure everything Keeps keeps the keys moving and so we're happy for a lien now. She moves on into the real world. Now you know everybody as we know has got you know as being those guys and everybody in the stream and listen to this pocket we know the real world how that is so for but also getting kits to continue coaching and teaching and through that so but then say from game standpoint. Just continue to keep my halo game type. I'm a madman player rouse. I think we talked about that in atlanta a little bit. I play more matt. Yeah i'll play more than two k. As when we met down there but that was my weekend. You know like i said just a little bit chill jill but the guys say happy thing was we had to do virtual because you know. Some universities didn't do it in person so it was a little video. We had to watch as her name popped up on the screen. But it's still excitement and still proud a problem for us as parents so bam which you got going on. Yeah i can start next I made the trip up to a cousins graduation party way up north of the exact location but what that meant was a lot of time in the car and a lot of gaming on nba two k. And the switch so boyce whenever we decided to play. Better watch out. Oh oh man with the team. Who's your team The sun's phoenix suns devon booker man. Yeah he he's a good player. Solid play. i've been playing Doing my player on two k. I just started that. And i'm a either shooting guard and i play on. Put myself on the lakers. And so far. I played the two. I'm i'm guarding devon booker virtual character and not fun trying to defend him and one thing. I learned about with a package for sure. Green bean package. That's what we call. It doesn't all day long here. Okay because i found out about green bean package probably has thirty. I think he had thirty five on me. And i didn't know this about my player. The forgot because my stepson told me because he has a few of them. But you really have to go to the weight room. You gotta go to the gatorade chain facility and actually squat bench. Press do the do the quick foot letter drill Do battle ropes. I was like oh forget it. Because it's like the second most important part of the my player literally and the good thing is. I love the work. I'm like why player getting i'm getting. Destroy trying to cover players like devon booker in the game with my player and it doesn't look right now make sense. I gotta get my button. A weight room dislike in traditional sense. So this This had to bring that quick eco. No days off on By the way. I thought it was great that you said during while you were helping your daughter with the cookies that you were packer like wait. What is he talking about yes. Of course he was so as thanks. I was like oh. That's a bar. I'm no trust me. I've listened to a lot of rap including yours. Roscoe and i dream of the day that put some bars together i trust me i. You are no way for sure. It is special talent. You guys have and i can't wait to talk about it with you. I can't either but other than that guys In in my city it's a no may know may they don't want you to mode to help the bees. Yeah i met my nationwide name. So as i okay cool i'm i'm okay with that and then i'm just getting my butt handed to me on this crypto currency thing. I jumped on board. That and it's it is like a roller coaster man. I don't t i see you shaking your head roscoe. Have you tried to get in on this iraq. He started john started started at like a month ago. I got to be the bitcoin stuff today. I got my buddy handed to me. It's a tricky game and I got involved a little bit too with a couple different things. But what i learned is is that. Don't listen to the high. You know what. I mean like high go with your gut instinct. And you've got to pay attention to what you're learning along the way you know what i'm saying is all about patterns. It's all about Fuel other things. You gotta read into that stuff like really. You're digging on google or something. So for instance I got a couple of vaccine Stocks like way back before Visor and the johnson. Johnson artist of drought made me a few dollars. Just because it. That just. Because i knew like okay. I know that the government is going to be pushing this so let me get behind it. 'cause no matter what it is. Vaccines are gonna be needed for this particular point in time. So let me take that. And then i wrote it in and try to get some house money off of this or whatever i'll make whatever stock i take that same amount of money and double that investment to put into something else so that way you're never going to learn about the rat. A sewer bro. I love learning about new stuff. So yeah you sound like me man. I love learning new things and how things work in the process of things. I'll you start at point. Eight end up at point. B or z. Or whatever where. He's gotta end that so with that. I'm gonna bring in our club. Banger is short hair. Rapper from the south. A mom man and to k player on top of that roscoe gas. I'll take your plate sir. What's up so you end now. how you doing. What's up can't complain. I'm Actually in the process of moving talal off air so i'm juggling that on top of work working on a couple of different projects as well as my own music and i'm about to get ready to drop for the summer And then i had an interesting weekend. I actually ran into Some of my colleagues. I'm common colleagues for. I tell you who they are but right. We're going to out here. And i'm doing my city. And it turned into this whole thing where we ended up being out for a long period of time And i ran the trayvon's like ot genesis and a couple of other different people. And i so didn't know about trading doesn't go to sleep so we ended up moving around a lot and in the house about seven o'clock knowing i had to get up the next day and do something else so i'm just recovering from it too so on top of that as a ten corral. I have a two year old while. She's almost two eight year old and a fourteen year old. Also under the age of i'll say fifteen fourteen still. That's young as hand. And what i know that my father of four daughters and one son and when they're at that age like we were talking they run the show at no. If you're not on every time you feel like you've been run over by a truck. Want to like the euro has her own way. Run things the eight year old. Has her own way. Running things too. Euro has earlier. And i'm the only guy in the house. Even the dog is a girl. So had any any manpower here with you are. Yeah that is completely outnumber right there. Oh man so. I want to look into the chatman saying denied. Thank you for the congrats. Appreciate that but But yeah man. That you're i was saying like me. I was number four girls and the good thing is my two dogs. We always had at least two dogs and yeah both of them were male so i definitely i was okay a little bit. You don't even know. John john western. Where's the ratio in your home. Because you have a daughter. Yeah i have an eight year old just eight year old daughter and a wife. So i'm still outnumbered but you're right number to deal with about four or five. Yeah i don't know what that would be like to apply numbers that he's not there yet. He'll be we will trust me. We'll we'll know about it when he gets the take your time. Take it down. Take your time. Hopefully we're praying for you. Because i'm sure everybody on here because we hope you have a boy. I hope we get aboard. And if you need it girl you can come to any one of our house with i eighty. I'm already on number. Got female dogs in the girlfriend as well. So i'm man. Yeah you on your way. You started off on the wrong foot. Did you say that i'll say in the future. What you get to that point. just me. Boys are the easiest to start off with from the from age of walking and talking to when they start shooting hoops hanging out spinning night over france house. When you get on a boy if the boy messes up they know they messed up. And there's no they'll just succumb to whatever that punishment is but a girl when a girl trouble this is where the negotiation skills and if they already walking and talking so that means if they could put a full sentence together you in trouble. I just i just know this because between my daughters my daughters this i had a brady bunch. So i have my two daughters and in my had two stepdaughters and one of my stepdaughter's and in both of my two daughters had a mouthpiece on them that means they could talk. That means when they got in trouble. Mommy and my mom. Don't make it in this right here. They get that they do acid in doing that. Mommy don't make me do that. I'm like oh we now. That mom's house we got. This is my house you know or you know. I'm okay i got to know my boundaries. I'm that dead. You know. So i can only do so much but i'm gonna do this. I say this is part of the easy part. You know what you could go talk to your mom i go. Do that. stepdaughters talk to your momma. Is you sound right there. But they were good. Most of its overall stepdaughters. Really good down into much run their mouth but every now and then one would get going. Hey you gotta go talk to you guys. Yeah we do that biological gone. Go on the other room. So patients is the key though that is the key is patient so So talking to margate meals so we may we meet down in atlanta couple months ago and i went onto. Saw your name on the list along with big creek. I was like okay. I gotta find out what remember at first question i asked you. Have you been putting in work on its to have you been playing. Have you been played that like. I just started playing like two days before that tournament. then show it did show. I'll say that you know the game. The big game itself doesn't change too much besides like the shooting or what they're adding to the game so once you know how to play and i grew up playing basketball you know same thing with madden football. I'm sure you're going to be tough competition because you know what you're doing out there. You know how to read that type of thing so the instincts kick in almost. Did fumbled the ball. A little bit in basketball terms meaning dropping. The you know losing a game or whatever right right. We ended up pulling it out. So i'll take that. Yeah yeah so so you take when you started playing so when was that. What was that aid for you. Because i know you did a lot. When you're young you started in. I even earth game actually played with david robinson Sega genesis. oh wow argueta. Brother ended up getting his christmas or birthday. Present early on was is funny. He's ten years older than me. He was hiding his second genesis under his when he would go to school zone out found it one day. I was like oh video game. Let's be was going on so ever since then. I never looked back playing video games ever since dan. I think i still have a lot of my console. Sega genesis regular. That's super nintendo sixty four Drain cash you name. Ps two three four. Whatever so and of course the xbox. That's my you know my stomping grounds. But i'm ambidextrous we call it up. I'll get down any system a boom. I've said that before the game consoles. I said i'm ambidextrous between consoles. And you need to be your xbox like. I will say though some of the friends that i've been playing a lot of warzone lately and pc gaming versus the actual console gaming on asking people do some of the most outrageous on the pc and that that makes me wanna go get one just off of that. Yeah i agree. Aries bronco competitive so. I don't like to lose if someone saw me up. I'm like. I need to go learn how to do this. I can have the same moves. I think being. I'm aquarius. i'm assuming. We're the same way because i'm wanting to 'cause i gotta bbc and i've seen movement from somebody on mouse and keyboard way different faster. Moving games shark games are still thing. Here's what's going on keyboard not afraid to admit it. No no no no. Yeah this learning a new language. You know english and learn spanish or german. Some like that But yeah it is especially when you see. I'm applying myself. And when i see a move or a shot cause i coach sports at local university and have a good one of my few good players that are in a in call of duty and i watched there on the stream on twitch one goes by the name of a canon twenty two and he he was controller and then when the season started. We had to play valerie for the fall season. And so valerie as you know it's mouse and keyboard. Only and he's like coach. I never did this. I said you know what don't worry about it. And we're about how this learn you know gonna make up your mess up a lot but just learned from that and then you get better and he did. He used at my said the not being hard on himself and he just got better at it and now he. He's like coach. I'm playing cod or mouse or keyboard. Now he said it's it's crazy good like i'm doing this. Snapshot is so he on his youtube channel. He has his toy. Cannon twenty two in twitch channel is tweaking. he's doing snipe shots off coming down off the at the airplane We're getting out of that lobby. I don't want to be is a as what they say. he did. sweaty sweaty in the game. Yes he's getting super sweaty into it again. So how old were you when you play. That went under your brother's bed. I want to say. I had to maybe five or six six. Maybe you like this. Wow ninety nineties baby. I was born in nineteen ninety. And dave robinson had been out like relatively around that time. Yeah so like five or six okay. So yeah So your brother indirectly got you. Yeah when you try in in terms of trying to put me out of the room right now. You're breaking because you're young. Yeah because. I think sonic was my other or nba actually nba. Jam was another one that I grew up on. I still get down right. Now argue nba. Actually i'll just on a tv show where we did that. w wpf almost real did here on twitch with the crown network and we were planning to a jam. I haven't touched that game. Probably since like a one hour so far just to go back and play. Gabriel when you go back and do that and you used to like shot meters and step onto k and then you'd be play the game with two buttons on his crazy yeah. There's no matter to that. You just press buttons. You got a no win the press the button so so it shows you got eight five six starting a game in the not too much later when you get into the rap game basically absolutely so as i believe was as twelve twelve years old. What was your motivation to get into that into the rap game outcasts. Yeah that's easy answer. I just love music to be honest. My mom put me on like The jerrell averse the brian mcknight's like she was a stray rb. I think it was ninety. think it was one of four point one at the top view in all three playing music. She's like non not in my car. We play this. When i was with my brother and my brother was on everything else. Outcast jay z's and i got like pretty much a wide variety of influence from using and He ended up starting to make beats on moves. When it back. When that i i think it was pretty loops. Three time And i was taking. I was listening to him. Making the beats but then i was also had a tape recorder and stuff tape in paper down into the cassette and record over the stuff. I remember doing that. You had to do that back in the day. That was my little thing and it's just a little hobby. Amman ended up you bobbing into something. That i gradually fell in love with and started making beat. Started doing all stuff. I actually ended up in my seven. Th grey pep rally at sweetwater middle school got my teacher to get onstage and rapped with us on a beat them my brother made let me know i had something going because the whole school was like oh man that was so tight and you know what i mean like. I was saying even the kids that were older than me. There was a yoke. What you deal was hard. Oddly be rocking with that. So from that just took an around with. It has definitely motivation in Because when you have your peers your age obviously and this especially when you're twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen years like bro. That's as fireman s. Yeah that's definitely motivating right there. So if from the twist at real quick notorious apple says she is superior on the keyboard. She's she's a beast on on the game keyboard got it. I don't know sniping that this musical keyboard because we definitely do yes. She plays a part of our graphics team here. She actually is our graphics team in she plays and she plays a little bit league of legends and mtfg. They're finding her team in. So when i i need i need to. I got another friend. Got two other friends I think our twitch names like vigilant be or something like that and then my other home them do some of the most amazing shots. I don't sleep on any keyboard player at all whatsoever. No scopes and from far away as a sniper with the glint they're aiming glint with no scope on a regular just picked up does not any load out in his taking him down from faraway. I'm not playing it. it's it's all about. The mouse is the most in the speed of the mouse. There's nothing really holding it down. Other than a wire you know. Lsu on a wireless mouse and less attached to the controller because you're kinda bar on to their controller and how fast those switches and buttons relay that message to the to the counselor to computer so i think and says yep so van what you've got yeah Doing some homework and you roskill. you were intimacy. You talked him out your brother you do the beats thing and you may have stole a few those him so once you had your daughter that really made you focus right and this is what you wanted to make your career had. I was at a fork in the road. I had my first daughter at sixteen going on seventeen. I was fast And i was playing basketball too at the same time and so i had to make a decision at that point. Just say okay. What's going to be more realistic for you. Okay with basketball you can get hurt can be over with music this pretty. There's a lot of different avenues. You know what. I mean that you can get into and it doesn't put anything Strenuous on the body. You know what i'm saying. So like maybe i have more longevity in this and still plays i can still get out on the on the basketball court or football. Whatever you know what i mean but these these things just kind of shifted to being hobbies or things i love to do my spirit's homages remaining that for me and music took me to the next level. By the time. I got to my second weekend college. My first record started to take off and It was just up from there. Just haven't looked back since went back in get a couple of things that kind of level of the education part of it just has something to fall back on just in case but really. I became a student in a game. You know what i mean. And i learned how to Insert myself in situations that would create longevity for the songwriting thing producing are signing producers. Or whatever the case may be. Are you a really like a creative person. Especially when it comes to ramsay my kids are the same way like al straight out. The womb. Their crab resort. And that's because i like what you said about the longevity wager options i mean. It's a really think about it that way. I look at it for myself to like. I was only thinking about football baseball. You know i wasn't thinking about. And then when i thought about football best the rising get the longevity side of knew about it but it didn't really hit me like this right for you to to do with it. Yes you're literally. I don't even want to call it second nature like that's i nature for you. You know what i mean. The thing is that you do is something. That's a part of you. That's who you are so right. I can understand that you appreciate that. But i like i said for you all. I really sat down. Wait all your options and looked at laid it out and said like what can i basically you know. I'm already fascinating. Need to slow down. And i know One of atlanta. Rapper said this in a song longtime ago. Chris he said. Why don't you take it slow. Walk down a hill and get all you get everything. Get all the money. Or whatever he was missing in our that he spit But it was something like you know. Take your time way options because it is video game world business. I we've had guests on here have been part of big companies like twitch and stuff like that and we talk about you know the fast rise of a shout caster or eastwards appro and take your time because you have so many different outlets after lou being a eastwestberlin then once you're you know you could be extra peak at twenty or twenty five so you could be on the decline because just because you age out because the games is started so young. I mean started at five six years old. We we had a. We had a guest on here skeptic who was east for its pro at sixteen right now but he's been playing since he was eight. The oh so take your time. Make sure you got a nice gained glass before the thing you know before that when it might be over. It's not over because you're not at that level but also just a piggyback on that man like to me we're in we're in age of hybrid create something out of nothing. There's not just that just does managing things like a manager can also be your narc and also be your publicist. It can also be you know what i mean like. There's so many different things that you can tie into a job title so even in a twitch world or when you're gaming there's so many different avenues you can get into licensing in sinking music. Creating having people create a soundtrack for your stuff. And maybe do something like you said. You've never heard these rap lyrics. You got all these platinum plaques from things together and finding other ways to the jury as well. He's wondering what i'm saying. So there's just so many different ways to tap into different different avenues and different revenue streams and create new platforms for people to Merced things they left to do so. That's utah martha music. Side there with the video game size the same thing you could be eastwards. Could be shout caster or you can work behind the camera. Work on audiovisual. So that's what i let my. My players noah lakeland say look this eastward thing is is one thing but then you could be this this and this is for other things you can do along with doing and some of them already. Do it already learn how to juggle all these different little tasks and that's something that we are doing here. A lot of us you know. Been in john. They got other jobs that they end up juggling along with this podcast. But that's the beauty of a platform. Mike which platform like spotify and other foreign help musicians like yourself. Get your lyrics out there. Get your bars out there. Because that's obviously once your music is out there and he could sell are making sure making a profit on So you mentioned earlier about your motivation. So what other If there were any other rap roots because they put out some fire. When i had a raft that was i say that with somebody. You wanted to follow earlier in your career just by being created just in terms of like not having a ceiling. You know what i mean. And i think that kind of contributed even when i got my shot With the music was like with the hairstyle like putting the color. My hair wearing a mohawk. Or like you know doing the edgy. Things that have evolved into what they could walk into nowadays You know. I think that kinda played a big part of now andrei in but big boy to like i. I appreciate the Trying to separate. Nc much but andre in particular he just stood for so much Self love you know what i mean like. Whatever makes you feel good do that. You know what i mean. And don't worry don't worry about looking like the other person or whatever the case may be and i just feel like that pay so many different roads for so many different other things in society and life in in the culture is will. What's ask you a question ludicrous. I got three by this. I had this girlfriend in sixth grade with ludicrious. I'll never forget it. And i was like the cool kid and i just like kept. Compare myself to women. I wanna rats who. I'm gonna just probably pushed me even more like that was probably a little bit more to motivation. Help me be successful in. The music was just. Because i had to dive deeper into like what makes a what's intriguing to the mind about the music. What about this person. And their style. And what makes them different from an outcast. What makes them different from. Jay z or x. Was also one of my big eminem even like the people who stood out in didn't care to conform society as it stood. You know what i mean. Create something new from yulia because those were up you. You mentioned the audrey How he obviously separated himself visually when you saw them. When you saw the first album came out it was kind of neck and neck. They had the same clothes on their both guessing like street. Gangs does Second acumen. I comes out when you see now andrei. He's still rapid like he's rapping. But now you know. I think that's when he hooked up with eric would do. She probably opened his mind up to some new things. And that's what i love that part of. That's what i loved about where everybody's not they don't make the you know what they reckon about spaceships and wanted to this planet at that plan. I'm like that's fire. Because that's that's something different. Yeah i was in my neighborhood where i was at. I was in college at that time. I was a sophomore in college. When the second i will drop and i burn that album cd. It probably just kept playing. I'd never not turn it off in time. I got in a car telling that thing never left. It never left the disc changer. For sure right exactly so like looking at a bigger big picture things i'd say when an entertainer because that's what you are an s what content creators here on twitch are they're entertainers at a point to a point and so you keep doing new things which are so now you come in doing what everybody else does because you gotta get noticed but then once you get your feet in the ground you get your foundation when you build out okay. This is now. i'm gonna show people who i am right now. I'm going to be me. I got in. I got into game now. I'm on the field. But now i'm gonna show me. I'm having fun and it's gonna people that's going to like me miss compu- be a few people that don't like this but you know what it is what it is. This is me now. I'm showing me. And that's how i see what you see what other rappers and entertainers today. That are doing their thing because they started off like jayco. You just dropped the new album. He started off. He got an a game being. You know running mill rapper but then his second third album he got into being j cole groups so in that somewhere i say with gamers essay more south castres gotta understand that. 'cause i bring i bring to my street. I play every game in play sports games. I play rpg's a play play games. I don't know how to play like forty eight. I'm i'm like on getting chris my chat. My ted is talking bad about me. You need to put the stick down white man. Was this hang out with me. You know you gotta you gotta suffer through this just like me so mad. I wanna talk about Ask you about your music. I saw all the way turned out. I remember man. My kids ward at out like we're talking about. We're not a song out. Ena kitchen which know how about turning it up the like ten eleven years stopping cyber. So what was the motivation to drop. The what was what was i saying. What led you to that of the song writing that and getting ready. I was just trying to come up with different things that described the feeling that i was going through. I guess So i think i was coming from the influence a low john in the east side boyz Music was big back then That was probably the the spearhead of turned up. You know what i mean. Just ask energy and giving it a new term but also my personal life my mom. I've always been. It's always been me my mom and my older brother so my mom ended up. I think this was around the recession time. She got a job. Alway was around that time when it was it was tough and so her job offer her. She'd been with the company for a few years since as long as i can remember when they ended up offering her to seattle or to get laid off she had there was give her some money and you have to move but we had a house in atlanta so i had to stay there when she went to seattle which is wishy ended up doing and it was just a different time for me. That's my first time being on my own I had already had my daughter by into you. Know what i'm saying. So i was just in a different place and it was either like put up or shut up time like it was like you turn down. Are you going to turn up. You know what i mean so i just started to think in that mindset. I think i was down to like my last twenty thirty dollars and there was like right when i mean so i had to come up with something that didn't capture where i was at necessarily but where i wanna be that districts to use stress basically and so in that that came to be turned up and once i knew that had the record i still had to figure out how to put the record out. I have been doing a lot of leg. Take my mom car. When she was there. I'll take your car and go like to sneak in a club somewhere. Meet a dj or like you know what i mean figure out. What do i do it every weekend. Friday come muffins. Take your car. I'm going tonight. I go somewhere else and go figure out what i need to do. But it ended up landing in the right hands ended up meeting with the transporter and there was a big part in helping me get it out. You know what. I'm saying like the business didn't have happened the way that i would have loved to happen but i'm still appreciative. Of the fact that opened the door for me to be able to get my music her and for other people to see my work Which was blue man who ended up being my manager who introduced me to k on the track redid the target version and put soldier boy on it. You know what. I'm saying like it just kept opening doors. Doors open opening opening and We ended up creating something that was legendary in atlanta. One moment and you it for sure had live. Yeah absolutely i was gonna. I was gonna ask you about that moment so you say you're your last twenty or thirty bucks. So how do you. How do you stay and and just kind of i mean. What are you expecting to happen over. The next year is obviously probably not what happened. When that first came out but like how do you stand the right mindset and and what are you thinking as it's happening in real time before it really took off. Okay so i think in that moment i just knew about. My mom tells me all the time even to this day. She's like you always see the good in a situation like she's elegant her as kind of being a little bit pessimistic just because she goes to the first thing of the list of negatives that could come from whatever we're dealing with but for me it's like you know. Sometimes we have everything we need now. I noticed that thirty one. I'm like you know back then. I had everything i needed at the moment. I have my family and my daughter. She was waiting at the time. My mom was healthy. Even if she was on the other side of the country she was safe. We were able to communicate. I had a roof over my head. You know what i mean. I had a lot of different things. I have my studio equipment. It wasn't the best video. C'mon but it was good enough to get the job done at had you hall blankets up on the wall. I think i had like rafting wash cloth with rubber band around a microphone that i had got. You know what. I mean like i was in your bones where i was still able to get the job done and fulfil The things that made you feel those boys of things that i like to do at the same time so at the end of the day was just like. Are you gonna mad about the couple of things that are going bad. You're going to be happy about all the things that are going good in your life. You know what i mean. So i just took that and use the last little or whatever it was that we call it and just put it into that craft nice. That's fantastic. And i think like what i here for. Mayor is obviously motivation. And i said it already sink or swim and then they say you say you know what i'm up to be like a a movie. The best swimmer on the planet right now. Because i'm might make might not have a lick before today today. We're gonna start from the doggie better. Go getting the whole restaurant. Michael phelps up in this piece messo so back to the game you so we met been in our met you at the two k. tournament. You embiid greek win at is what other games. I know you talked about other games. We'll have the games you grind on as well Said in today's time Definitely warzone ufc Mortal kombat steel madness. But i also my favorite games of all time probably smash brothers anyone around Final fantasy to be exact. But then i love like teen age cool to I think it's another thing fro trigger or something like that. It's kind of like a final fantasy. That was just like stuff like that. I'm pretty diverse. Play whatever's fun at the moment thousand was a that was like a period that was like a whole wave friends. When i was growing up. You think gasol. Dania wrestlemainia resume black cartridge that they had on the under four. That was it for me i. I'm a nation normal crazy nice. Nice so what. So what was it about final fantasy. Because i got a lot of friends and i. I got family members that like when i was in high school and college. That's all they play it. And i'm like i didn't get it 'cause i guess it was a slow playing to me. I thought it was a soul playing and talking. And it's a lot of like he. S a whole bunch of times. Get through to the next thing else. Both the do but i think that was the first game. My mom bought me a the i The great playstation. I can't remember if i if. I play station replacing playstation want. That's the first one and so bought me that and that was the game that came in the bundle so that was the only way at the time but i ended up falling in love with it because it just taught me something that i wasn't used to In a gave you like these little sideways. You can unlock these things. That weren't a part of the game. Originally you know what i mean later on. I learned that. This is the same thing that i appreciate about like dragon. Ball z. is that it's actually a message in the game is that it's about energy about like vibrations and all this other stuff that you learned about later on in life like they kind of introduced that in a subliminal way early on that was cool too. I'm gonna play one day. I like that messes. Yeah we got ta. You got dray from twitter says roscoe. Destroy me on smash bros when he was on tour at louis. He's not line. Okay now smash now. So who's your character. You go is a first goal to character smash roads If we're playing the one on sixty four is going to be more you. It's going to be mario and he got a nice up. A dose up moves in super smash moves you can do the throws and all that stuff he gets. You is good but sometimes because you can get a little out of control and he'll zip off the wall. That was the one. I was pushed too early when i started playing. It was tickets. You For that reason he had those moves. But obviously you. If you didn't ought to play it'll be out of. He was out of control killing us. Or did you fall off. The map is like you know the superheroes when they if the superpowers for the first time for sure as lucas logistic day as i got a message myself up. That's that was my thing. I had to get off him. Asef but bathrooms are good ones. Who will now be in the new game. I think is. I can't remember which version it is but the one that came out on the we you that's the one i've been playing lately and i like shock. I think his name is. He has a sword he can reverse moves and might create a mere to where whatever you do kinda inflates the damage on you. I've seen i'm planning avenue. Used him yet. But i'm not talking about. Yeah he's a he's dope. I like a lot him or warrior. Oreos okay yup see byles hauser's powerful. He can end up. You can have. If you're finding is bowser your damage at ninety. You can not and you he can you. When you're at nine hundred usually you could be. You have to be over one hundred damage over one hundred and fifty damage before to get knocked out on knockout out of the ring. A he'll knock you out with not my gap. I'm like they both do that. They'll do this low move where they can pick you up and jump off the board a little bit and then throw you in back the deal. Yes i was speaking of that move. I was watching a high school playoff match Here in wisconsin and one of the players had don't you call and they saw he had one stock. The opponent had stock left. He had to stocks left. Now he just gotta. Johnny grabbed him and and jumped off with them and went off the mat and took the win. I'm like that's smart. That's the bill belichick stuff right there. Like let's let's let's take a safety in us so we don't have. We could be on defense again. 'cause adidas unstoppable. Why did he do it. I'm like then. I looked at it. I'm all he had more stacks to him and he's many players. I'll need to coach. These players. come in class man on taking right there. So so So yeah what. We talked about a little bit. You caught us up to what you where you've been and what you're doing so what you up to like this present day. What what's going on with you. You know you're actually look right now so whether it's going on with you. A lot of songwriting men Working on a couple of different projects. I've been doing that. Even when i wasn't in the majoring. Might that's kind of been what i've been doing all this time. Sign producers working on different people's projects and now finally to a place where. I'm ready to work on my music. Everybody's gonna wait to put out some new stuff. So i think it's time for them to get back out and do damp because visuals out. Put my mohawk back. I cut it off like retired already. I grew back. So i'm ready to get back outside. Man cova de inside too long. I'm ready to get outside so when you're writing again i what's your process. How do you come up with what you wanna talk about. How do you come up with lyrics. You come up with melodies. I what is that process like. It just depends The melody is probably the easiest part for me. 'cause i know what i like to hear or i know what you ever listen to a song and be like man. This is w start adding your own little like riffs and stuff so whatever. It's like that basically think of that with a blank canvas. you know what i'm saying. You just hear the beat. And you get to do those rifts and runs or whatever you here on a song you can even be some stuff that you heard from another song and inspires a new melody on the blank canvas that you have now won that then most of the time. I'll listen to a little bit while rearranged different parts of melody or whatever to make it make sense. And then i'll go in and work on the lyrics for it so sometimes that could be a fast process The concept kinda comes as. I'm humming the melody or as i'm rearranging. What we have on the you know what we've already recorded right so get the baseline down. Get the melody. Dow and words come basically auto sales by such and such or W made a song about. Nobody's talking about this right here. Everybody's talking about Turn up for the summer or whatever. So what if we flipped. It was like arm song about. Tell me we're gonna make it through the summer. Because i know is going to be allowed to turn it up. I know you're gonna be you know what i mean. Like shit changed Yeah like how you gonna come off. That turned up night. You wake up too late. Miss a call. Tell me you you ain't gonna leave me and go try to get eating and tell me what i you know. I'm gonna give you some motivation right now when you're trying to game all night and he got work the next day or you got something to do in the more usually meet act trying china be up all night on that on at mark layer grind. You gotta you gotta play seven eight games to get to a certain a badge absolutely and i had a real job the next day man. That's hard that's hard work right. There at a monkey is popping in the door at seven thirty. Like hey dad. Oh yeah oh yeah and they. They don't they don't understand video games right now. Two of them two of them. Don't two of them don't understand the fourteen year old. She knows so she's coming in there. She's really messy. And that's i'm on my eight year old. It doesn't matter if i'm on the phone. I have airpods inhale policies. Come in and just start talking to me like it's just a her. that's cool. Yes craziest period. It's always it's always interesting day by day so so yeah. I say where. Where can people find you right now on. Social media website Though so i'm i'm not the most active personal instagram. But i am on instagram. So even austin. I'm definitely doing something else and two story on under somebody's comments. I'm doing something so might add on. Mary's at you are juice and then on twitter. It's at roscoe dash. I do a lot of my intellectual thoughts and stuff like that on air. So you'll catch me cutting up on instagram. Twitter is more like the series stuff or whatever. So yeah i've seen i've seen you haven't gone on it has to get out say Did you do a like a dump like a first quarter down a at first. It was the pitcher. Was you and me the one we took get the access replay. This green bay fan like through and through so even meeting you at the thing i was like. Oh i'm definitely going. Oh margaret you got. That was game. They ninety eight i was. I was doing the thing on a home in. I remember that on playstation two and how the graphics i remember if you remember a game called tecmo bowl. A had it on their mobile. I'm sorry matt in early. Madden yeah the one you They had like a little. Yeah no up top you yeah up top your early mad. Like eighty eight eighty nine ninety madden. They had it where when a player got blew up and got hurt. They had an ambulance come on the field. People as you guys get outta the truck. Put him on a gurney. It put them back in chuck and run over the rest of the play. It was the funniest animation. Ever that ian. Look i'm gonna go look that up. That's my story. Tomorrow don't It is on youtube so that just reminded me when you say game day when they did the animation of pullman a hamstring the animation for when a player got knocked out on a big kid to have the ambulance come on the phil ran people over to pick up one guy and they ran other people over to guess crazy so grant that bottle. That's something that they won't even grant yet this year. They're online now so you can't. You can do anything the game. That's one games at if you're under the age of eighteen you should not be. We talked about the previously on this on this show and i've had nieces and nephews my brother my cousins my my my sister called a solid the gt hoda. They only team. What did he do play next time. I'm guilty to angola. But i'm gonna tell you what my perspective is like. Perspective teaches me. Everything you need to know about life literally you really think about it. Anything you do on. There has a consequence to it just like real life. So i rather used a animated live than newsday real live to go out there and some of the same stuff. Go get it after system on the game. Do miss do what you're doing on the game do that relax. That's if i was Abor don't only on a game keeper here here all right so So what is up for you. You said before we went live that you're you're right now some new stuff. What's the next six months to a year. From now. Coming from roscoe death new records for sure i gotta give you heat the summer and then so. That's really my focus. My focus now is just putting out all these records out half the project in two thousand eighteen songs on it. I was really just going to make. Accolade was trying to make an accolade of having the most songs urban project which successful acted this day. So now i'm just trying to focus a little bit more simpler and just release new content with some visuals And gives people the russell dash that they've been you know long for so that's kind of those kind of where i'm at the rosca that everybody i met in two thousand ten and got them all turned up. Banger number one charts all that fun stuff because we got of growth plenty of like new things. I didn't know i knew how to do before like that. I'm honing in on now. So the music is definitely elevating. I'm doing nothing but getting better with time. So right and that's the beauty of the be an artist and you go through that process and like you said that motivation. That gets you swim in absence. Sink or swim time. Like you knew what you had to do. And it was like it was like this is it. I'm just off the top rope here. I'm in the ocean. I'm about to be tom. Hanks thing and now now just to appoint okay. I'm here. I'm i got. I got a solid ground under my feet lewis. This is what i know. I know this now and so then you could come in and just come in this doing stuff that you'll be like. Oh yeah we do a nazi level transit now level the trailblazing. I'm focused on now and then bringing in Talents and stuff too that you know people. The world has a herd of yet and on new ways to create music. That people haven't heard of yet so that's kind of what. My focus is now continuing. You hired then. You got the perfect motivation. You came from the cast. Say the stepchild of outcast. So that's perfect. Her figure prostate watch. How they grew is the blueprint for you and for any any rapper from anywhere but obviously being from the south. You're right there. You know you could do that. So is is. I can't wait. So there's no i'll be. I'll be ready for i'll be. I went up for feedback then to the dougie to it. Or whatever may to it taking yeah. Are you ready for this or that though. That's my question right now. All right all right all right here we go. John did this or that all right. By the way i did. In the chat for everybody. I put up the youtube link of the ambulance in madden running over the field. You should check it out. It's hilarious all right. So this is this or that it's straight from the mind of a mon- green so I this this week is. Would you rather live in europe or would you rather live in america. Are we going north america. Who a question. Yeah by god. The united states of because i mean i'd go to canada or some kind of north. American continent is canada where we're at now And south mexico mexico. Yeah correct so man. This anti american muslim americans too. I'm must say america. And i'm gonna give you. My reading is just because the rule like things that you've become so accustomed to doing your whole life. You can go to europe today for and get arrested in of home. I'm not going to play with them. Folks i'm gonna go ahead and just yeah versus is stuff that you could do in europe did you. Can't do in america resort. you know i know. Pda i've seen. I've heard and seen pda. In europe is off the chain. You know public public displays of affection. They take you could take it to a whole number eleven. Just why all right have a good time. Wait wait right. You could swear you can show whatever you want to on. Tv over there to them is different. Yeah i might. I'ma i've i've i've been in america for forty four years. I'm forty four years old. You know like trying new things. I'm gonna let you. I'll try. I'll i'll take the consequences you know. I'm gonna stay in america. Because i cannot imagine trying to drive the opposite side. Does it is an adjustment. But i am an amendment. Extras were consoles. I can make it happen. Let's say you'd think. That's john in america to what i'm used to and i think ben makes a good point like there's this little things you'd have to learn and you probably screw something up along the way i'm sure but maybe that's the fun of an american comes with a nice passport to let me go wherever i need to go so i'm gonna come visit you. Don't worry about it okay. i'll. I'll have the flat ready. He's gonna have the flat ready all right next this or that. We're going cartoons Rick and morty or beau. Jack horse horseman. I've never i've seen. I've seen it. I've never watched it. The make sense is a crazy show. I've watched like one episode in. It's off way off into left. Bill is a crazy show. It's funny though you watch these. I'm gonna get more okay. Yeah i'm rick. And morty as well you can't miss it. I can't season for about about the star receiver. Four real soon. I'm so excited for that. Hilarious show hilarious. Show on you to bocek horsemen. I've never seen never even heard of is it. Is it a streaming show. Yeah it's on netflix's. No i believe net flicks netflix or hulu. Yes i'm gonna find it on you finding out who for sure. Rick and morty though down what you know. Rick and morty to. That's the most familiar with. Although i've had a lot of people tell me to watch beau jack horsemen. I haven't done it yet. But i'm i'm making i'm making my way through. All these shows getting their real quick rothko favorite record and episode. If you got in your head. I don't man honestly i'll tell you this though in one of the studios that i go to a very good friend of mine has a portal on the wall. Like arm coming through with the portal. Yeah i'm just. I'm down for anything. I'm dan for that. That's what do i say pickle rig episode pick rick. He's a good guy. That one is hilarious of like they just took it to a whole still waiting for me. Yeah it's hard that's good. That's good writing your writing. Good acting okay. Next that will be camping in beautiful scenery. Or would you rather be in a luxurious hotel room camping out. Camping camping camping do the tent. I'm richard i'm account. I'm out doors man. I get so bored in there. I can't this. i ended up going out. So what does money for it. There's no point out that. I'm not say exactly when i look at some of the menus for hotels i stayed in like from a burger or we'll be forced to. Oh i'm the midwest man big portion bra you gotta give me a full plate of food for because the tip and then the in each other you know how to work the tip into into the grew to on raw for that wrong. Guess what you can go. Camping is free. Whatever you catch out there. Free free ninety nine. Think that camping too. Because as i talked about certain episode i went to graduation party last weekend said in a hotel. We literally checked into the hotel again. Nine thirty pm because we had everything happening before that then we checked out by like eight thirty. Am m. i just paid one hundred eighty bucks for what the slave. I'd rather camp camp all day. Guys i don't know if i've told you this yet but i'm going up near the minnesota canadian border in late june. I'm camping with some buddies of mine. We're going out on the river. There go here and there's a campsite there and the cell phones aren't going to work or anything. They're not not not there you're going to get. That's that's scare me on the radio. I just need some type of i. Something bear spoken to war. Yeah this is going to be a two man podcast. Hey how you'll be. Bear makes you just have a whole bunch of food around and throw it and run the other direction right mad max into twitch chat says. He is captured for him as well. Okay next this or that we've got everybody's answers good all right. Yeah explain what you're talking about here. Texts for opinions. Or what. What are you going on. What's what's going on your head your mind. I'll just european. Oh man so. When you've got stopped in you want to ask somebody. No i meant probably phone called texts. Somebody for their opinions or call them up in the air was would you rather texts are called. Okay text or colson. What they call man. I gotta take the call. Because text can just be misconstrued in right. Yeah and you don't get that enthusiasm either. Know what i mean. So i'm a to here what's going. I'm i'm a by person. So i have to like really be able to look at you. A here was going on. You know what i mean. Yeah but it's an interesting. How on social media people go off. The dmz go off their comments in a conversation in the comment. And like you said you when you read words to hearing the words it'll hear the tone of the voice or you don't hear if they're really until you know when somebody's really paying attention to your conversation when you're talking to them now through texts because they could just be typing and doing something you know multitask on this on my answer. This question real quick and they overdo us. You know you're talking to the kids or something like that right and you might really need some detail. You might really need some. You know what i mean you might really need to hear. That enthusiasm might be something that's like. I don't really sound like a really interested. Or whatever the case. I need to hear that because they'll give me about a waste of time for short right so you on my phone call. I am in yeah. I'm a phone call. And i think for a lot of the same reasons you guys said tax there. Even email like those can be sold misconstrued. The tone i would much rather pick up the phone. Yeah if if there's something that needs to be discussed let's just listen. We're not gonna play the game right text you my thoughts and then you text me your thoughts and by the time we get done with that whole conversation we can call each other and it took like ten minutes and it would everybody in here guests the friend that i'm the guy that you know what i'm gonna call you. I feel i see the tax me. Just call it but if it's a simple exactly if it's simple yes or no. Let's do the tax but if it's complicated like guys was figure this out we're gonna save ourselves. A lot of time goes All right next this or that. I like this one protein shake or protein bar They jake shake for me. Yeah protein shakes have yet to find a protein bar that actually takes somewhat appetite. Yeah there's not like chocolate or something you're does have that kind of weird taste like it's yeah. Yeah i'm gonna go with proteins jake. I think that's a good point. Protein and protein shake as well. I haven't had a normal tasting protein par bar at all in my life. We trust me. I've eaten a lot of protein bars back in the nineties when i was in high school and college. That's all we lived on was protein shakes and protein bars and the protein bars. Nothing change. they always been chalky rasco. They all l care where you go Even the new ones that are like trying to be more like a candy bar and is like man. Come on stop. stop trying to fake the phone. Just snicker bar back on the cool. Yeah we'll play. Exactly the plane got was this. I'm baked cookie cookie cookie cookies anyway. Protein shakes protein. Shake yeah and you can dress it up. You can put whatever you want. That protein shake now because we'll smoothie got some other good ingredients. Go inside your body after cookie dough. Plato stuff all right this or that jenga twister game. Changer change our our damn right. There my question was walmart. My answer was gonna be. It depends on who's playing. I know what is good too. Reality like ooh. What's your answer With the reiger but people will be twister. Okay for sure to say we already know. Yeah we own that for sure. But i'm pretty good at chinga too so then if is the right people twisted twisted we know where that group of people that is our and we got you so next time we see you. We bought the place. Some jang ibra. As i'm a master attitude i the bottom when things at the top you gotta be particular about for sure your wife get so mad. She's like why are you doing. Why are you going for that piece. I'm like i'm trying to win talking about are you. There's no other pieces that actor. This piece is game over. Who you cheating. I'm like because being lose goes through exactly so for me. It no matter. What i love django is there for only play twist and once in my life when i was a kid and you haven't played it the right way i'm gonna go. I don't wanna know that we're going to do that on the house after dark. Been asked to me and you play together. Now that i think i'm gonna go jenga play. Those really huge django wants to like those kind of fun too. But i'm going to go with with jenga. I don't know man. I don't wanna get all twisted. I feel like i'm gonna throw out my back or something you know a wrong somewhere. Afraid of twister well twister. Because you're doing all this weird stuff. I'm going to throw out my back and then for the next three weeks. I'm gonna be walking weird all right. This that guy's activists foul yogurt right there. He does a little bit more going on hot yoga again. I don't have to tell you it's been quite a year. And for all the moss who have been juggling meetings and homework balancing work and life spinning many plates and wearing a lot of hats coal is believed. They deserve more than a special day. They deserve to feel special everyday. Which is why right now. 'cause all the amazing gifts that is gonna make moms everywhere really feel the love. I'm talking beauty. 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I'm gonna go activision blizzard only because my high school days were like comprised world of warcraft But i battle dippers though like go you gotta enlighten me. What's the difference between regular activision activision. Blizzard was just like a ceremony. Segue a game. They had it was. I believe it was activision. I activist has been around since the late. Seven that's what. I'm familiar with and then blizzard at the out. I can't remember when pretty somebody in the twitter can find out when they merged and became blizzard activism blizzard so blizzard. That's where we're at warcraft. Came in i believe and then games like over watched As some of the bigger titles that are out now. So they murdered somewhere between the seventies. and i'll say between the ninety s and the two thousand s when they merged do become old adage of with activists ain't let me down yet activated and they gave us the cross compatible plan on. Come yeah they said. They put bitch marked by doing that because now. Ea is going to start doing it with all their games in a with matt and in two kaelin they got. I mean it makes sense. Like when i saw activism do it. I'm like why where's he come on. I love ya but let's go. You didn't economy slow. I love the games. I play them every year when they come out by new one but cross platform. Let's go 'cause. I got all my teammates. 'cause i this is where i go back. Go back Real fast to my teammates. Like you mentioned how your amid extras were system nudes. And you'll be surprised. How many in the locker room be crying. Lehman humid only play playstation. My bra so what is the same. Go get yo raggedy playstation hooking up another rule. I'm gonna be on his xbox. Let's get it. Go right now. You can say that now is so. Thank you so. I'm about activism blizzard as well just for that that little detail they put it in the games i think he has covered it. Man activision blizzard. You sold me on that. Let's go f- stuff. I've done some stuff with them. They they take care me. I ain't gonna lie. They give you. My opinion is all mito is nothing that they have not influenced me. That's just my honest answer right. There are right so john. How are we going to get some new news bites and quick hit. So this one's gonna i think roscoe's jumping you gotta go go it. S okay man. Hey i want to say thank you appreciate it and hope the move goes well and i can't wait for the hot bars to come out. Absolute bankers or whatever new style. You're going in. I'm ready for a man. absolutely unreal. look it makes you send me your your gamertag too. So i can get what you on that man we overdo or you know the for sure. We definitely do our on our you. Check your instagram or twitter on there. Another person in a twist shut same guy a dray from twitter says de he also wants your gamertag because you guys got. He wants to meet up on words on together on with that for sure so. His name is drawn dray from twitter as d. r. a. y. From twitter i so. Dm so i'll also dm you my my gamertag on madden as we get it gone absolutely are still nice to meet you up. All righty this. Ar he pops on al. He's awesome great great guy and i'm happy to hear that he's working on some new stuff. 'cause we look back at that year he dropped at all. The way turned up. But you gotta think about He had that one song with a walker. It was chardonnay in. What was it marvin gaye chardonnay song. I mean he. Within a year's time secret swim. He had three club angers. Three three one hits. Yeah i think it just goes to show to. Don't give up on your dreams man. That's zoo all the way to the end. Like he was saying he pursued till he at twenty or thirty dollars left in his pocket. And then it happened you know. Don't give up on your dreams. Continue to push exactly man. It's a lot of people don't know or don't realize that until that moment and is just like a house did a sink or swim. You know. it's a it's a figure of speech. Everybody says it. It might be redundant but israel is that moment in life is like okay when you get. You know i've heard it. Because i play different sports. I heard it you get up to bat in those bases loaded No or is fourth quarter new down by two. I've heard it all but yet what are you gonna do in that moment. In when that time constantly yourself to be remembered for something or become successful in what you have goals set for yourself. What are you going to do in that. Moment comes up. Are you gonna. Are you gonna pause and freeze and not do not or you. Just want to let you know what i'm gonna go with it if i mess up so what i did it. I tried i try to hunt. I get one hundred percent effort into this so That's basically my set. You got here. But i know so might've been doing. I know what's the other word when you one hundred percent effort so if you didn't you try doing that and that's what a lot of people in call the you're doing right now into trying to go there go you eighteen. You ain't try so speaking of that in call it a war zone. Co-developer raven saw as revealed that over. So you cheating. i'm trying over. Five hundred thousand cheaters have been banned from the battle royale game. Oh well because they bid cheating. It's coming right. Johnson two thousand yes autumn madison correct at least so yup. So in recent tweets from the studio official on their official social media account ravens said that after batty banning over thirty thousand malicious account back on may thirty that brings the total number of basta over a half a million accounts. So if you go to twitter right now go to at raven sof a account many have over one hundred million or half a million a million have been shut down in of course of course from their responses other shutdown many responses to the tweet are complaining about the band's most of them insists that they are not doing nothing wrong and we're only banned because of unscrupulous player had hijacked. So they're their account got hijacked by somebody else because of what's been going on obviously that potentially be could be a case but ramos off you know activists and blizzard. They'd be like you know we gotta just. We gotta have zero tolerance across the board. In first hand. I remember at practice and before practice started my players showed me because i'm like what does it look like when a player sheedy show me a video taken a youtube. Show me something. So i could see what you're talking about all men. He's acting right now so he did. It took me. You can find this on you too. And i believe this Hacking you can type in hacking warzone or something like that and so if you ever play warzone you. You're planning multi players either playing in a team in everybody's on a map so when you look around the map you literally got x ray vision. So that's what hacking is you can see what everybody's even if they're heidi inability behind a wall you can see through the wall and see where they're at so that's one hacky moat or one man one hack. That's just one of many another one. That i saw which i thought was crazy to see with my own eyes is a it's a. It's a perk that you get. You can sell stem yourself so you can hear yourself. You have a little thing. And so the heck is is when you're healing yourself automatically stems yourself the whole time. While you're getting shop stemming yourself as you're shooting and so you never die out seeing my players show me that it's amazing which well no i was just going to say. Do you not think if people put in as effort as they do in trying to cheat and finding ways to cheat and they will put that same amount of effort into grinding on these games and increasing their own skills. It may you know. Be more maybe worth it then. Just to cheat. Yeah and that's how i see is like look you know. I wasn't going to be in the weight room and all that timing getting strong and then people think i'm people have when i was in high school. I was on steroids and my for one put too much work in too much. Older brothers would kick my butt. They thought they found using steroids. So yes it's like do the work it's putting the work in you know do ninja did do what all the the pros that are out there. ninja nate marks. A shroud these sports pro skeptic. They're putting in tie. Don't don't try to cut that time in half by getting a hat in in in in it just brings a bad light to say. Obviously your account if you got banned then you know what you deserved it I have no problem with activism and ravens off saying hey these If we just had equaling of information that you might have said now see so and also warmer thing in case you didn't see they've been another big update. They always updating. Aw or call of duty warzone castle. What they're doing to this one guys they're bringing in the old action eighty s movie heroes so rambo now john maclean is an named few are going to be new operators on call of duty take dope a lot. I was like oh man. Because i was my movie. Die hard between die. Hard and rambo. I rambo first blood the original one semester so loan. And then you got. Bruce willis as john maclean. That was my go-to movie. 'cause in my book die hard the first one. That is a christmas movie. no. I don't care how you put it on the how you say it. It's not heart is a christmas movie just because it takes place during christmas doesn't make homes movie. You descended boom. That's take the qualifies. Christmas movie being rule. Sorry i'm with us with ben here. They made a book about it. I got a mexican. So i'm fine my book that i got christmas from a friend. A great friend of mine says die hard. The christmas chris next episode is only just because it had been all right. I'm gonna completely screw up Name but sarah goose i believe is high pronounced. She's one of the most popular. Female streamers twitch part of the hot tub stream. Chris which we've talked about in previous episodes of yesterday. She can no longer make money off ads on her channel. So if you're unaware of the hot upstream. Cray streamers clad swimsuits. talk to their. Yeah talk to their majority women chat room yet. They play games. They perform other activities. All from hot tubs which twitches noted in the past is not against any of their platforms. Rules for caitlyn would go on to say in this article that i was reading that twitch never reached out to her in any way whatsoever she had to initiate the conversation after noticing without any prior warning. All the ads revenue had disappeared from her channel. Analytics would also say that many people complain about twitches terms of service being unclear but at least there's something to go by. There is no known policy for what results in a streamer being. Put on this blacklist. She is now on with characteristic. Passively the only thing twitch make clear is that it is unclear whether or when her account will be reinstated so we the head of gaming on for twitch few weeks ago he claimed to not know what this hot tub stream christ was so all of a sudden twitch quickly quickly woke up to what this was right now. They're not allowing people to profit off hot tub streaming. Why is that. Why do you think that is well. The negotiation of any essay sponsorship obviously has to go between twitch the shout caster or the the streamer and the company. So everybody basically gets their cut basically So that's why. But they have to contact her. So i will say that was that I dunno maybe twitched. It or company did you take it away. Obviously her nagging paid. Because what's the visual is going on now. But they needed to contact. They're not have refined out after she noticed that revenue was not coming in. So that's the only thing there. I think my biggest problem with this is that this isn't clearly stated in terms of service and you've already gone on the record say that Hot tub streaming. It's does not go against any of your platforms wolves. What is this because now you're adjusting things. Mid craze could be like that work it just viral her. I'd be very flustered. Could it be just that the advertisers are telling twitch. Hey i got on here for gaming not for somebody to you know i. I don't want my brand with whatever. The hot tub thing is like is could it be advertisers as simple as there's but they're still to say. Hey you gotta be open gotta be open to the fact that streamer like she wasn't doing this before but probably wearing this outfit didn't change other than the hot tubs things but still she's got on is a bikini come on right but she probably been doing that before. Seen a lot of females removes do this which is okay. I if it's in. The blueprint is fine. Don't punish her now and try to change rules right because it looks back. Will you knew the company. I'm talking about the company. Knew that this party to do that. Content can do what they want and it says to you as the contractor agrees with it. Us accompany that support in this concentrated also visit. So you know this so is there. We're trying to backpedal audi deal which is not fair to her here. That's how i see. It definitely not definitely unfair to allow streamers out there because like i said it says and five percent but then those letters is basically saying those letters in words in fine print meaningful international. There was shit. It shouldn't say that it shouldn't do that. They should do that. Basically right and plus. I always acquitted so like when i first signed up for i tunes back in the day. I didn't know what the hell i was signing up for. I just wanted the program. So i hit yes the odd and read through that entire thing. I feel like a lot of people do that with twitching with other things that's out. They're sending him for two those terms of service. I don't know how many people actually read those right and it might be doing because you know. It's a knee jerk. Kind of a knee jerk reaction even though it says in john mentioned and like you mentioned but they have to do something but they should have like really calmed it out more internally to make sure they did it the right way the proper way basically like i can get it. If you're taking your top off sitting in a bikini you can literally take out your cell phone type in about five words and find a lot racier photos of things and people that aren't exactly and then on twitter. They've been it's been around for years. I've ever since twenty fifteen. I've been on twitch. I always do. Homework is research. Other streamers see why they're viewer count is so high. And sometimes i see young ladies in nothing but a halter top and if it's in the fine print then i can't play. Look i'm a guy. I can't benefit off that. I'll just i'm benefit off my talent or my sister humor. Whatever manala gaming like we're doing here You use what you can. And so that's what they're doing. So i like i said no. No no qualms against young ladies doing it But with the fine print you. If it's in there you gotta roll with it. You got it. You can't start did not paying somebody because of having to react to what's going on in the world what it sees at into not tell her she might finds out herself while strength and afterwards. That's the worst way to find out. That's what i'm saying. You put somebody but you don't know you the person that don't know but you find out from friend or the homeboy or you're watching tv and find out somebody. Like when i found out. I got traded to seattle. I was watching it actually. I was at my daughter. My oldest daughter's birthday. She was trying to five years old. My dad called me up and said son to be green bay. Packer i said what are you talking about that. You mesler mu. is this a joke. He's like nah turn. Espn right now. So i did turn. Espn is april of nineteen ninety nine I'm watching their trey. Wingo says this this this in mongering get traded to re to the green bay. Packers were fred. vincent and four fifth round conditional pick. I just talked. I talked to the team a month prior and he said i was going to have an opportunity to give ricky watters run for his money at a starting position running back so my head of that moment. I was a seahawk until that moment. So yeah you don't wanna find out. I you want to find out first-hand you don't wanna find out second third hand that does not rescue it doesn't leave. It tasted in the back of your throat. This is not good business there at our john. All right amman. You own any games with the our eighteen adult only or x ratings. I don't know if he wants to admit that. Aaron got theft auto auto is definitely bad. Okay well ebay ebays now talk about one or later. I'm talking talking about and i'm going to bring that up real quick ebay. Is banning the sale of adult video games starting in july. I didn't know there was an adult only like section of ebay until like lead today. But apparently there is really. Yeah and it's gonna prohibit to mature content across as the books comic books anime video games and this article from gamespot. It says this ban won't just apply to old copies of leisure suit. Larry which i know we're going to be talking about here and a little bit so this this whole thing made me but you can't sell adult themed video games on ebay anymore. Didn't even know how many there are. How many adult video games are they're all miss. Probably hundreds of thousands. It's like all the other genre games. I mean i remember back when i was in college. There were games basically similar to what i'm talking about later Larry other games that you could do all talk risque things and then. Gta when he came out and they know that was early. Two thousands thousands the game. Now saying okay. Yeah this is what we've we've been we've actually they've been doing it forever but now this is now brought to mainstream a tent pole big game. Now they're by going into back then and they're still into now now's gte online. Which is i can't even imagine bonkers and tweet robin banks and other stuff. You know what i'm saying. You know what that other stuff is. So everything goes. It's so funny. I i didn't even know you could do that but Any video games with the ratings of adults only you can no longer sell on ebay. So keep that ebay okay. I know that now. Yeah so unknown out here before. July on modem now starts in july no money for sitting in your basement. Nope some point. Then you set to go on. Elmer's on are there you go. That's that's my news. Release this week all right. Let's go australia. I can't wait. let's go roll. Roll row row. Your boat jen lee Sorry excuse me it's time for what's on stream. Hey man i'm so high for this one off so high because my good friend and packer fan movie. Big time movie director. He already put his foot. In justice. league does acts neider edition of justly the four hour addition which. It's all worth it. Now he has another movie coming out this friday. All my god i. This is going to be a good weekend. 'cause i love or movies and a lot of these actors in the cast list. I love these guys and girls. David batista is one. He is up his game since the first is a guardians of the galaxy. He has gotten funnier and and more entertaining as an actor from the rousing world. I i should have been a wrestler. Those the rock johnson and now david today they all be there. Great a actors in a in hollywood now. So that's what actually the dig. Is you think so. I should tell you. I'm a big wrestling fan. Went there s still time. Some people i got. Yeah so you don't want to go all the way on. That's a whole another tangent. We don't talk about this movie. That my men's zack. Snyder's dropping on. Friday is army of the debt is going to be in theaters and on net flicks low. If i'm a theater guy but a watch movies at home for year now. I'm definitely biased. To being at home. But there's movie like david batista ellie personnel or amari hardwick Big lists of actors and then one of my in and a guy. I had no list as he's a stuntman. And he's actually has an acting role of rich citron. Plays zeus and i think susan sambi one of the lease obvious and so if you remember back in two thousand eight two thousand seven two hundred. Six neither did Zombie movies in a day of the dead and these in his movie. The zombies or you know they're they're in shape and they're they're actually organized it can communicate to each other. They talk so you got zombies that are talking and they're not you know so they have brain activity is not just e e e is like all right. Listen organizers fight this used these guns so that's the type of battle that dave batista in his crew is coming up against in the army of the debt so a set place is actually shot in I guess i'm gonna give this kind of spoiler alert. It was actually shot in new mexico. Part of it are also part of it. But it's it takes place in las vegas so you gotta zombie outbreak post-apocalyptic outbreak. You know how the line leads in the world but it takes place in vegas so david police and a group of mercenaries they take the ultimat- gamble nice little gap. Nice little play on words. They're being in vegas venturing into the quarantine zone to pull off when a great heist ever attempted. So i believe they're trying to basically go into vegas because they know obviously. It hasn't all the casinos that when the outbreak happened there was money. Somewhere in a state or one of the casinos today. Chronicle break into one of these Safes with all the money. But it's also rounded by living and walking and talking zombies. Okay and if you watched the trailer to trailer is pretty dote. They got obviously the fight scenes of the them versus zombies and their little. One liners things of that nature. Then they got a white tiger because obviously with the white tigers are part of the show in a las vegas They become the tiger becomes zombie too so these animals are included in the fine here But zack snyder. He's hot right now. In terms of movie directors. I will say this is a can't miss you better watch. I'll say probably thursday night. They'll do the late release in. That's going to be me and be watching the thursday night i'll know about. I got nothing else to do on friday night or friday morning. I'm staying up late. I want to get to work. I'm gonna give my workout in armenia. It you get it on so it's on. Netflix is anti theaters this friday. Check it out so dead. I made an amazing discovery last night. Just going through all the different streaming apps that i have ever land on peacock and i found this movie called the sixty yard line. Okay here's the plot based on a true story set during the two thousand and nine. Nfl football season and nick best friends and co-workers by house in the parking lot of lambeau field where the green bay packers play and that forced to pick between a football fan lifestyle and a girl lives change. And there's a cow at south east. Describe but what do i find is watching this movie. The one and only a mon- breen is in this film nice applause ronald was freaking out when i saw that last night and my girlfriend's like what are you so excited but i'm like that's g that's actually ask them lies. I got lives in his movie. Suieh crazy crazy so yes you can see the sixty yard line on peacock or amazon prime has tag that i got lines so i want to stand in a fly on the wall and this one. I watched the trailer for this one and mon is in there. It's pretty awesome. You're in the trailer at the end. You're on a college talk like oh man that's awesome. I can't i wanna watch this genoa. Imagine if you didn't know this like i didn't last night that was in this movie and you're watching a movie and then all of a sudden boom on's in the movie montross up that it was it was funny note though My royalty checks there are probably maybe after taxes since it is. I can't i didn't know you could tax. I thought it was a rule or just like a thing that a two dollars. You can't tax that. I might but they do. They do they tax dollars and fifty cents a dollar man. I've i've made so much. I say i i make so much in my royalties from big from sixty line and another movie called that. I could probably take you out. Mcdonald's as long as the dollar menu yes off the dollar menu then that might work a little better on our guys my. What's gotta i said i need. I need speaking lines for next movie. I gotta be in it. Yes then we go to like a five yards. A five star steakhouse in madison. Help you out with that. Let's get you in. The zack snyder. Movie for sure so my pick. This week is something obviously. A lot of you guys have watched already. But i just for the first time have been able to get through an episode and actually a season. I'm through one season of the walking dead. Thank you. i finally jumped on just a decade later so but it's it's pretty dope pretty cool. I like it so far. I hear that as you get deeper into the series that kind of you know if you're watching the kind of drops off so i'm watching the walking dead guy's got through that first season. The cdc center blew up spoiler alert. Sorry yup but since wondering go ahead as you said get better. Would you got better I'll say you'll find out by wash you. I'm gonna tell you this right now. That is not To worry here the people the people who actually live in. That's what sucks about. Walking dead numb my ma'am. I'm just deal with. I'll be you get the suit them in the. Hey we want him done talking to you talking to you battle over man that i like twenty percents streaming john. That's on netflix. The first twenty minutes or so of that first episode. When he's in the hospital. And i love that. I'm talking about like a decades old television show like have you guys seen this on. It's so intriguing. Because you're like what is going on is in the hospital what's like it's obviously no the premise of the show. Your wife's but they did it so well to catch right away in every yeah every season step it up a notch gets it does get better is gonna me. It's good now. How far. I remember season one but it progressively gets better. It depends on how you for me. My wife was like after like season. I think seven or eight. You laugh. i'm done. I'm like what i what i gotta finish this stuff because we stop watching. We're watching it as a as a couple. But i'm like you know what he's got. Finish this thing on my own. Now i gotta go. I gotta go solo. So in the twin jet My man denies says great guests roscoe. And he's off in dray from twitter a great show guy so thank you from twitter and sasha. Fear said what's up coach. A girl was up. Are you doing and deny says Gotta watch the new clone wars spin off bad. Bet doing that. Deny and i'll see you on halo tonight as one of my halo team nude halo teammates we are. I am watching bad batch. Guys watch bad batch of disney plus a check it out and then we got a big b.'s. In the house again how you doing and then big s john you know. What are you going to ask the news on sarah so my my sarah watching has dropped off dramatically. I haven't caught up on it but you wanna know what's funny. I'm glad you asked that question because just popping up on my netflix. This week is coming soon. Season two of who killed sarah. And i'm like oh no they're pressuring me to finish the first season and i don't find out who kills sarah. That's what i'm wondering. I'm wondering if how about a season to repeat what you just hit you. A whole season goes by. And you still don't know who kills sarah. I don't know. I haven't finished these in one. Maybe they wrap it up. Maybe they leave. You have it okay. All i know is season two is coming out because i saw the ad for it on netflix thinking. Okay either. i'd better catch up. Or are they not gonna tell me who killed. Sarah am. I gonna have to wait. How many how many seasons going to string me along before they tell me this. I'm not ready to commit to like twenty episodes man. I'm barely getting through seven the as the template for watch it. Because i figure by the end of the season they'll tell you. Are that tell you. But in a way they'll show. Who killed sarah but since season two's up that means they're going to wait to potentially the nfl season two. So i'm gonna just wait till all of its done so then i could binge it. That's what i'm gonna do right now watching. Show giving me to rail flags for that. Why can't watch his show subtitles. That's all yeah it's talk. No it's not stop mike. What's your name ben. it's not an subtitles. it's it's english. Sorry i'm used to doing show. I'm always talking about michael nickless things no. It's not subtitles. Agree that you can google google. It don't don't tell me if he tells me it'd be mad. I wanna find out on my own. Who killed sarah. It's my own personal journey. I gotta find out that was so suck. Somebody told you who actually kilkare after after you put in after you put it as being banned. Don't do that don't do that. Don't man that'd be so rude to get ready for the epic new additions to picot. Wwe network has joined the flock and with it comes thousands of hours of intensity action and legendary showdowns as the new exclusive home and ww network in the us. 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Cheaters you know arising today's society you hear no sittings on iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast from fighting be almost see. The cameras. All messed up paying knocking each other out our listeners. Get onto game releases please john. Jay time for the release game released man so we got big is in spanish and translation. Been i love it. I love it big in the to chat there so for my game. Release of the week is a game. I never played but always had the guilty pleasure of playing. Is my man leisure suit. Larry and the title of the new games tattle is wet dreams dry twice so just let that sink in the brain for a second wet dreams dry twice. So is an adventure game really. I didn't know that developed by german studio crazy but crazy germans over there. They're having fun. That's what they're doing here and published by simple entertainment and microsoft windows and is on mac s at the latest entry of leisure. Suit larry. This has been around since i was in college. So since the mid nineties nineteen ninety-five. I remember seeing the first game. So yeah this is interesting and fun game Which is this work like. Can i do a little research hours. It's not safe for work too late your ladies to goodwill so we catch larry so larry laffer is the main protagonists and the game is directed sequel of leisure suit larry wet dreams. Don't dry follows. Larry s s the night. His relationship with a girl named faith the woman he fell in love with and loss s and follows and lost during his wet dreams. Don't dry a game. So the microsoft windows and mac os version released They did it back and they released it last year in october. But they're releasing it this exc- yesterday on tinder switch a playstation four xbox one it is out came out yesterday. Saw this on a switch. Nintendo agreed to this game is whites. Are you kidding me. Do you know the first incarnation of this game came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven really. I'm not saying it for a long time. I thought it was just college. But wow nineteen eighty seven. I was ten years ago then. Called leisure suit larry in the land of the lounge lizards. Yeah yeah he he was and that allowed gamers lounge right. It's not allowed. It's not a game now again now. Xbox playstation m thirty ninety. Gpu us in we got screens with twenty twenty four two hundred four new fresh h. Efforts and stuff like that. That's a whole nother. Gamer allows there so this game a if you of eighteen by this downloaded and have some fun. It's on switch guy so that scares me. I'm like what is your family console. Seems you'd is what i said. That seems weird that it's on nintendo the way like i just say leisure suit larry. Games are going to be banned on ebay in july or game. That came this in some places. But nintendo hasn't on this download and purchase. What's the dino the rating of. Ill a question of the aca find the rating. What's going you're looking for that. I know what's gonna happen to me if i go home. And i don lewis. Download this on my switch which i share with my girlfriend. She's going to go. Oh well download today. And then she's going to click on it and she's going to be like what the hell is. I just know them. but Let me see how this look up the rating real quick raid. It gives an adult rating or anything looking. It says ninety percent life. the game didn't say obviously eighteen or older or whatever but ninety percent is pretty strong and ninety in his all men so this game is out yesterday so for families that own switch. Watch your kids. Watch your little sons. Rental lockdown that parent lock on. That thing are with. You guys got john. You're next list. You want me to go. Yeah okay. I can go next so this actually drops in late july. But i'm sorry it's gonna leisure suit. Larry i'm trying to find that rating but this one drops lakes he's all in you. Yeah and they put out a couple of days ago this week. Nintendo did a like updated trailer of mario golf super rauch for the switch. Like i said it's coming out in june twenty-fifth but this updated trailer. They showed that the game play a little bit more of all the different modes of the game. And the one. That's got a lot of people talking including me is when you get to speed golf with your friends. Everybody lines up on the tee box. Boom go it's like mario kart meets mario golf and that looks like so much fun to be able to push your friends out of the way. Go hit your shot now. I'm not sure if you're trying to get the low score or the low score the lowest hot. I'm not sure exactly how scored but it looks like a lot of fun and The new trailer dropped this week if we had a in a twitch shet biggby fine it rated m. game for lizard Our leisure game so ready him for mature mature on any. He's getting mario golf. Like i am this. I saw the trailer down. You're talking about an it. Looks super fun. I'm pretty sure there's a group of friends on the planet. Earth has played this game in real life. Already got to hit your ball and run and go get. It were golfie. it's physical. Oh trust me. I know somebody out there that plays golf has played this game already in there. They're just now Happy to have him to buy it on their switch. And i remember what we used to do in college. We could go do this game. That won the switch. I'm gonna get you got three have to play. That one eventually comes out. Yeah we got a stream butts My game released. This is gran casino. Money money brandt casino. Tycoon comes out on the pc make twentieth. A welcome to vegas louis your guests in with the promise of exciting nights and quick cash and empty their pockets. Bill the casino your guest dream of manipulate their decisions and expand your casino empire on your road to success so games like this. 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Ep 228: Beanava Convention

Bodega Boys

2:05:46 hr | 6 months ago

Ep 228: Beanava Convention

"The boys boy. These is nice here bodega boys. You fuck involves We happen to have a guest for the podcast tonight. Logan pause which are pro crispy pro. You know what. I'm saying like just want to let everybody know our make a big announcement you know what. I'm saying like bro dude. Like like you you guys are my nigga. It's like i love you okay. Okay first of all. I love is growing guys who you can't say that okay. Because i didn't want to my bad my bad my bad room. I wrote me up me up because you felt some kind of way about the episode. Two two seven. You felt that you represented you look stupid or whatever so like so like. Here's a team bro. You know what i'm saying. Like i was just like like you. Guys kinda like flaming on the intro last week. You know what. I'm saying. So i was like you know like that's kind of unfair like i'm really take you fighting seriously. You know what i mean. Do like those kind of foul free. Nate robinson is bigger than him. But you like you like you know like still you know what i mean like still like it was a fair fight because it was like you know like he's like you know he's he's he's strong. He's a basketball. yes so he could like matt. Hi could it. He could have jumped to push mcface. Who like nobody even knows. Dude but you know what i'm a fighter and that's why i came here on the number one in the world bro. Because i'm here to make a super fucking dope the announcement like wanted you guys to hear. I okay what is this announced we go to make. I mean i'm happy. We're happy that you you. You chose us but you know what's up what's announcement. Bro bra. marsha like if you do my voice brahmana fucking cure relate. It was like fucked up narrow. Chill gone voice of right next to you. Barbro broke pro third pro. I would say now. It's the boys. The i am going to enter into a ring. Not the octagon. The actual ring box with floyd money. Mayweather bro the money. Soon brother legend. Bro you know what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna fuck them up pro because he's five feet tall. He's probably shorter than dave robinson. Dude i'm gonna kick his fucking ass bro out hurt him. I go to fight. Floyd mayweather junior. You are you. Are you not afraid that gonna murder you in the ring. No fuck tube. He's matched small. So now i know my thing is like beating up smaller. Black boots dot com. Okay bro. i'm doing it pro okay. Wow this is maria. Can you believe this may with the. He's i don't know. I think i think that's a bad idea. But may for the actual boxer. Yeah i was just the basketball player. That's the best local pro. No no listen. I'm a real fighter bro. I'm not just a tick tock guy. I'm a real legit boxer bro. Like i put in the work bro. Look at what my tax pro. Tat's was that merely hit that noise i about about. It's like a rhythm whoa book y'all been gone. I can tell you something jay. I want to fight me. Why fight you check to walk my youth my bridge these nice my yard monte big big yard multi why. Yes my As we said to you and clubhouse will not me but other jamaicans and i too because you can't be doing this accent it's offensive may not give bumba your medicare choir. I middle america. Say like this care. I'll tell you right. Now is a pure yardman. why now both and j. j. watt wha-wha-what name name. What the name is john. Songy shop by looking for dot. co dot. He ate a member mega. Stick meat fish to you like glue. Wow wow wow let me tell you out of control these us say you gotta wave the flag for me to end it. I don't know bro. i don't know. I'm gonna fucking kick your ass dude. Well don't you just wait on white vinyl dude. No no he's he's jamaican dude. He's not jamaican. He's no. yes. Tom hanks blood clot on. You bet a tough shot up from a ton town s right right here from across the street from kelley boards right here across the street. Tom hanks in jamaica and to give birth to me in kingston. Oh wow wow yeah yeah yeah okay. Big up you decide. There's also no no. No no narrow we. Podcast got a bad idea man tommy wallet. Whoa go y'all episode suits wait. Oh we don't have security. Check you back. Does she should own a king fucking stealing. Sean assuming the audio art the most dangerous podcast in the universe do good drop. That's right that's the podcast. Give you levels. Let what do other podcasts. Even have it. I'll listen to podcasts. So even it shows they would have focused. There would be these fire fire. Remember the days when we didn't have you are insurance. Could be a separate podcast. Well actually is that. Basically the show tom so anyway. Anyway You know what it is episode might appear. You might come back. It was a night world's most dangerous allow. We were so many different things. Also seattle off the rip. I would say you know what we don't take time to do this. Show you've listened to this. You have survived so far. What are the wildest years in american human existence to run you take it for granted like other day. I got my cova test results and it's like negative ads. No big deal. That is a big deal. That's huge radio and if you're still out here kicking it south you and you survive child hugh if you died. You probably not listening to this. So i don't know why mentioned you play gonna play cuban but link flowers for the dead as a kind of bringing it back. Wow but you know. It's trusted by cash vase just always and also some of y'all might be like. Wow wow these narrow you just drop the podcast a couple days ago. You know what we're back on schedule we're staying on schedule machine girl who forgot one day her birth control now. You're taking two days worth both to get back on schedule. Listen baby it's not about is is about the effort you know what i'm saying. It's kind of common sense like. Oh who knows you knows you. If you're you're pregnant because you missed one day birth control your and you take it the next day. You're won't be like a nasty yo. Y'all my man. She was walling. She's to cancel had readers. People don't know Ovaries can call and cancel sperm. The same way you can call and dispute charges are credit card this. This is my biological the open app. Exactly then it's like. Google uber just can't cancel pregnancy. Like are you sure you want to cancel. There's a five dollar charge you like heels it. I cancelling pregnancies a great transition. Your future without saying take this take this money for ab ab ab. You want to sm- abortion money. Twenty k twenty k. I'm like that's i mean on the voice not twenty thousand dollars. I heard i heard. I don't know i that even hold you grow like. Don't rely on okay. i've been there. It's is cash A brought you don't worry. Don't you the what you have done some abortion. You put two hundred thirty put. You may want to play payroll. You made happen. Groupon coupons for some abortion. Fair grew group taunt the punch card. Yours one the also free this free sandwich from subway. Yeah you get a free twenty dollars. Do mean twenty k. Listen i am. Not if i had the ability to get pregnant and i got pregnant. Well actually you. You play a long game though with future. You know you're going to be paying for eight years but isn't he always fighting online about birth of child support should like. Hey i don't know. But i do know i know i know he gets he be given. Ap's right a range from sixteen. The six figures. Do you get you get your womb scraped for twenty k. Him up next on instagram. The next day was so chicken. She got forty k. r. harris you. You got to stand in line shit way you go. you know. he's he's not. he's security living life. Emily harris come on Send you to fucking play with. Dj esco metro. Boom technature woman was a more mature woman. Woman woman listen is that is in chicago and atlanta. Let's go let's go. Oh shots Georgia's yoke trump had the mad wack rally. Yesterday the story he was the most. You gotta use singles now. He was trying to introduce to people when he was just talking about himself and he said if he had lost he'd be a gracious loser and he would accept it but he did say he won. Georgia he did not he up there. This is a sad like the crowd this. It looks like the crowd for the smash mouth concert where everyone call corona like everyone was like oh shit is wack wider. Come to this shit. Hits murphy bro. He didn't play lock her up. He didn't play fucking build that wall. He was short. Ed like at one point. The crowd was trying to say we love you but then they were trying to say usa at the same time and it was just like colliding so just a mess just sad. Said he got four days off. Give up dog like your sorrows so we know what it feels like to be like down by twenty one minute left. And you're like oh this is an l. We're taking this l. They hit five if they hit twenty three in a row. You sat down by twenty woman. Left man you being down by twenty two minutes spent in the third quarter you know all right and even then they right there they right. There were hit two shots back to back. Ooh for the comeback fair. I as speaking to that. I was watching a giants game thinking the same thing like okay. The seahawks get the ball back. It's he got two minutes. Left to score a touchdown. I'm a knicks fan. We all know how this goes. Get ready for heartbreak. You know what i'm saying and the giants are winning the division y'all with an abysmal record. Yes so first place. In the first place that have not been following football at all so is the division super weak this year. I heard that rash. It's calm is comically bad. And there's no winning records so we have a chance to no. I mean that's the football like one game one game. It's not it's not a series so you get hot. That's why that's why you ally as that's the legend of playoff ally you sneak into the playoffs and an elite without ally. Talk to him. You know what i'm saying. That man has roses why he's still alive and a big donkey coffee. Okay pulling camry to the city on his back twice row like like right. There's no difference between eli man. At firefighters that carried people out of the trade center on nine eleven talk about. that's a fact fucking trump. it'll talk about rudy giuliani's grace bayer de la man is the greatest bay. New york has ever seen and he wasn't even in office. You know what i'm saying. I mean you know it's true. It's a he played a jersey. Even that's true that's true but it's sad around around we got. We got bad news coming in. It's breaking it does not. It doesn't make my heart feel good to announce this some of the. I don't know that but you know what it is. It's oh god that role got no to do yanni the newest catasta the summer jam scree throughout those go a man who actively do not wear a mask a man who actively and proactively the bucs and the bunk things that dr fauci said and helped every fi the stuff that trump was saying that to the fact that now we are the boom ask country are the country holding the door open for you at seven eleven. And you know need it you know. We are just jam it. We're not homeless. We're just trying to run a scam. That's all we know. And you see getting dressed in regular clothes at the end of the dangling like we worked nine to five. How you how you home with. A brand new pair of air max to seventies. Explain yourself how those just drop last week I don't know i don't know about them. Bubbles is not even scuffed all right so this got kurna but you know he'll be a right because everybody around Julian everyone arou- trump circle. That gets the rona day. They get the good they get. Somehow they get the good they get the good jobs row trying to get like that bro. I'm trying to pro. They grow by a you. Come out roach coaches eleven and like fucking outside. Come on bro. Pro can regenerate bro. Come back saying listen. Get a card. I mean listen. I got a ugo could outta here but we do have baked gets a job as a custodian hospital twice marriage in iran. Me tracy chapman come on bro. You get caught. Because that's we get inside. We just take pills in not out off to make to make our buddy movie because a kobe like now. The rules change because once Kobe is over in america in america. That's when you know it's officially over. Every other country go back was co america. alas case. then we're done because guys sad to say. America is in the room with three teachers. We stay in the same room day as those. We have to walk against the wall. We go to the lunch room. Because you know we'd be whiling. Somebody are y'all might dapper up or you know wave hired us to press girl in your class like. Oh you're so nice to them. You know the vibes. Yeah every now and then every now and then you might see. You're gonna see america just yelling for no reason when teachers trying to calm down america is out here in the classroom with no windows and no one knows seven teachers crisis era christening issue every now and then you go see security guards running at full speed walkie our class. No oh you know what. There's a problematic anyhow who were in that room and you also had the full silver fillings over your teeth. Because he was bad. You're on you're saying the cat on fire at home. Yeah those listen man. They schools in new york city. School shot the of whole schools. Because they do what they want like the principles basically like the the king or the queen of the establishment. And they do were. 'cause i know that you're not supposed to do. This is when a kid is acting out. You're not supposed to just be like yo. You keep fucking up. I'm gonna put you in special ed With with with the bad kids with and these in front we can put your here with the kids. I'm like yeah dog. If i'm in class i'm not trying to hear that like like i just can't get good like shoot. Nobody was the high school. And like i had never seen in the school. The whole time and apparently would make says what she had been dayton dude and like the behaviorally challenged classes so she was in a different wing up for long. So i never seen so i was like these battles shorty. You'll you may have found out of set like it was trying to beat her up. Whatever was put word around school that he was going to jump meet. Joe excuse you know no minimum as we new butterflies my man. Let's do wanna do baby. The president of high school this butterfly knife you have any fights did not have to have because i had to open a butterfly knife and just if you do it smoothly and you like what's up a net and you hit it against was up. Wants to get back up back up. So yes i remember. It was on a four zero shot. He might have been on four four leeman highschool by the bathrooms. We used the battle the dominicans and they called me marino. Control the bathrooms and had to do that to door. And you know what to make an official. We did it during the changing of classes during that period. Where everyone's in the hallway. 'cause that's how you got your name out there in the streets high school so use it when they start running. Stay home to tell people that. You'll you'll jesus wallet on the fourth floor. He had a knife the photos while lebron but leave it was the wildest new york city public school because like every other school was just like your blood's cribs they whatever whatever gang ran ran to school. For what house clayton. Who was fair. When i went to leeman them albanians the api albania boys inc. Yoda mother focus. Had their shit on superstars. Well been after i left. Don't they had mentioned in the nicholas was i. I we live right to tell. You'll come through. Yeah you take the bus for half an hour. Yeah yeah yeah it's worth it is worth nicot some combos in some gatorade. It's a long trip. I try to bring up. I had to do a journey from kingsbridge the threat to fight. 'cause i thought i was gonna jump and they got there and magazine map was from the area and it was like Mariposa gun so. Let's let's dissipate are they. Still they still make those. Because i have not seen combos in my supermarket in quite some time they still make the right decision scumbags back when i was a in pharmaceuticals that was my go-to Run around bag. You just keep that what you run from hotel to hotel at six. Am and new york city living in a two thousand four life. Don't even realize what the fuck eight twenty four is young role safdie. Brothers make a movie out of this. They're like no. This is just a regular life. Does left your home with deodorant. A phone charger and a toothbrush. And you told your dog. I'll see you in two days. What kind of life are you living while in now. What they're like you. You're drinking allama rita before you even got on the train you know. That's just not even going to still be hitting by the time you hit one for nine street. I'm like i bought two bro. Like i the second world war. Three people can judge me. God to and judge judy. Get the fuck out. I'm like zero. Get zero motherfuckers awhile. The and wildlife. Because you know how they say like what the more information and memories and whatever you take in like she gets pushed out. I'm like yo so much shakeup pushed out. I'm like no mother focus. That hit me up like on joe son your let me find out you're while you're potty go some member we'll be there i think the. Dm out the court you why. Why the casanovas. Here g herbals here like state versus in new york versus the kid miro is they would have to read the text messages a read the emojis and got like he wanted delivered. Four t shirts cat emoji winking emoji laughing mosey shit. Like it's gonna be used as ninety eight. And yoda gonna. My client was using an android. Clearly he was going through something like he wants his bubble screen. He was hurrying come on a one. Eight cross calling you back with green bubbles. What kind of like come on. Listen as precisely the reason why. There's a sibling groups. And then there's a group chat which is mean tito 'cause refuses to switch over the iphone as she's still living at wag droid life and i'm shaming you publicly for the people. I know you're going to face. Eat out on care. I've been wanting to give shout outs. Ingrid android queen the queen. Now you screaming and you could do it. I groups at the worst. The worst the worst packers in my improv. Because listen wayne brady confu title. 'cause i wanna take me and we're taking over Whose line is any. We've all right. I don't know i hope so. God show me you and victor great great big prosecutors to do ju carriages given up points since i owe twenty thousand points. Give shit whatever the fuck. He's like. yeah i Thirty points For what do you know we need. We need to make a show. We need to make a show about teenagers but clearly cast ourselves because i realized from watching. Tv is people have no idea what teenagers look like. We can totally be to be what we don't do that. Got back like i like. Yo yo mirrow what's up. Y'all home was crazy today. My guy whoops word crazy. That's ablest and i'm trying to be a better person what's going on my guy. Yo know funny. Homeroom teacher was active. Wild brazi He's a lame. Oh sorry my bad. that's problematic. Yo yo woke. Oh wow look. Is victim victor. You smoke me and road blocks last night because that's what we all right. Yeah but like we're young kids. Yo have you can hold five robots. I don't have any money but do you have any pubic hairs yet. I am too young to go through maturity. No my voice is very deep for my age. But i have not puberty despite my facial hair. I have watched that like this thing is thirty seven thirty. He's got a mortgage okay. Teddy rabi he's like thirty six exactly now. This needs to be more shame face the one either i was. I was always under the impression beyond sat in a lot of you have to save your face. It's not true. So but i don't know there's no question i have you hoping when you host that night live you just host or do you write the jokes as well. Because if that's the case 'cause if we were hosted we'd have to change a lot of the jokes officer jokes like they'd be like this. Catch you a mirror. Both human chop cheeses and justin timberlake are buying you all right. See a sea. Woo do we not gonna do brookefield. Shit yeah all right. So in this we're gonna make mural justice a baby get it instead of the kiro. He's the baby mirrow. Yeah uh-huh yes. You're babysitting him. So that's hilarious. Guys i as an us host were how this is how you say. The brand what hand was one hand washes the other both wash. The face actually both has watched his shows pandemic was wrong with the vice out this he actually no. That's that's my new king like you know you get a hotel room and comes over. She got like the mask and the facial wash his hand and she talked to you with the dirty one off. Yes that's that's biological issue larry. Meanwhile by blew my load early brown so risky proud touch touch me wrote oh god put menus now and dungeons yoga. Do on the road experience. You want to ruin you want to you. Want the rice. A roni that pro. Don't they put rice in your skin. It's pro that's why they call it. The san francisco treat because you know you can play with your trolley car. I'm like whoa. Whoa whoa row row row row so me. Show me the house. Full how y'all bros. Show me the home. Full house was recorded at roll. Come on meek mill tweeted a very cryptic tweet about atlanta. And he was joe. Atlanta's wild yo. I've been trying to likud shorties. And y'all wild and then people started speculating. Shit like that and a double data and then somebody jumped in and was decided. Joe the gay cities in the world. I say in in the world in the united states are like per capita san francisco atlanta and it was like you know the top five And they were like trying to insinuate like that like he was like you know on the download. Whatever but that's not the point the point is that you man double down on taking elle's this week by first coming out and doing that problematic then second coming out and like how kids so like oh yeah with the money. The water yeah. He gave like six kids between make. How far removed are we from being broke. We're just a couple. Were i mean he. Funky which is a couple of years like he'd been he'd been toco toco. Benny on our list special. These things been rich for ten years. Exactly it's like. I mean now for the shot two cardi who has had pretty much. This is like a complete understand. I was about to say. She has to say to career trajectory as us not whatsoever. Completed left us today. You saw her tweet and she was like yo shot by this. Eighty thousand dollar purse with think and people's car is a pandemic. Like what the fuck like you brian. Eight hundred eight thousand dollar purse. You buy a house for them people's like you could take care of people in abroad for that and by in my head. I'm like yo. That's a while tweet. But she double double deathshot explain it. She was like oh. I can't why can't i tweet this at my fans. They're my friends and it's like no no no. Your friends are not your friends fan. Do you face made you. They're not in the same economic situation. You're in because their money to put yourself where your now like. Also were cheering. You on exactly know if. I got to put down a big piece of chicken in the store because it's five twenty four and i see piece of chicken that's four sixty eight and try and save a little money. You know what. I don't really want to tweet about eight thousand dollar purses you know even also also eight thousand dollars. Purse is a lot a lot of folks money. That's all i fucking. I like honestly like this very few things that appreciate in value. Like i mean that would've that way but it's gonna take a while and also like i don't know how quickly you can resell it. Also i just imagined if i was to call our accountant and be like i want to spend eight thousand dollars on a purse. Just how he'd be he'd be like this. He would tell me to eat as for the secret password. We up to find out. If i'm being held hostage because he'd be like clearly he's got a gun to your head. You're in the bottom of brooklyn basement because it's not every time. I asked him about a while purchase. He's like yo. Are you home alone like none is no family members till i make sure you don't do this. And he will be while mykola him for a purchase. He's like jesus is not he's like. Jesus okay listen is either forty. It's it's eight rolls of toilet is eight rolls of paper towel. And they say equals forty two rules. Yes it's thirty dollars but it's not going to break your bank account. I'm not sure 'cause like they have another who sixteen. I just need to know you sure. 'cause i got a coupon he's like this. He's these eleven o'clock transmit on family. I was like. I'm really sorry but like this is important. Okay i got another question right. I'm talking about these sneakers. nike. I have the shop. Twenty percent off. Promo code is not working do you. Like i don't know notarize a letter saying su if i don't get eighteen dollars off the original. He's like he's just hangs up. He's like tired of the way the yeah. I don't know about that i don't know about that. I mean i mean. Listen it's your money said it's your money it's your money that means stop. Stop us now. You'll see how work for you. But i can't tell you that exactly and you might find me okay. Say is your money is the same as your girl be like you know what do what you wanna do guy. Go go not who you do okay. At that moment you ought to be like way we we we. So will you show. What do you mean. What do you mean go do me do me. Whoa wait because then you like do me but then you're like wait a minute. If i do me does not mean she going to do her. Whoa whoa whoa. Whoa whoa. that's how that works. I can't deal with that because then you run a girl i want. I could i could. I could run through wild. Do me do me. it'll be all over there. Is it a s post one photo not even holding ahead just an biggest small and those who behind her lab castle has also on deck like that. Wow we built together ma. You just go. Wow we built so bonds. Wow wow put on a grand muscle and Can't believe like we have to use man. Women know that they you know they don't like college friend that's like married. Husband is not even just women men women them people knew humans know how to play those things all right so shot to any human out. Their data puts special on the story. He's refreshing story to see who'd it to make sure that one particular person viewed it doing do shot to that frustration with that person responding. Fast enough now you wild. What's going on you know. Oh he's taking two hours respond. I'm gonna say two hours and respond wa. We all play games. We play for two hours doing nothing. Not until the to get the chance right and your dumb. I'm gonna take two hours. Look into your rg and making ideas in my head and jumping to conclusions. Okay oh that's your aunt. She'll oh you're going to be a why are you fucking bitch cheek. A picture her holding me as a baby bubbas as my mom's sister like that's weird like there's a photo with my mom gave her a kidney like you wiling also. She's she has like a kind of messed up. They even brought that up because she has a prosthetic leg. She lost to diabetes diabetes. So how new. Why would you take that. They're it's i mean like you always as hurtful things like this and always try to be there for you ma and you just. You just accused me. It's just and i know you well but it's funny like be going to miami with news. I gotta live my life. Okay but i live my life like this. Put that. Make gummy gummy. Stir crazy why to use paramedic terms. But i'm still crazy like why lebron saved. Your phone is my baby. Lebron no because like his skills. I'm you know. I'm a fan of the nav so tired so tired okay. Well why are you tired at the second. Half the one. Because i've been shade okay. Ut on a southbound apple let me say maybe if you got more than twenty listen a week. I have fifteen last week or right how much you need. Why new. I knew i knew. He was gold digger. I knew yo yo july esa he got fifteen. Listen a little while the next drake allow. You're gonna kill off fifty. Listen you kill you you saying. I'm killing that's ironic. Because fifty lessons is less than the twentieth bosses. You had you bitch. Maybe we will have fifty kids right now. If you was such a thing trying to make a rap career go to wendy's. I miss you going in to get a full four then with these sat i got. I can't go a sex offender enough of this. Bronx oris coming to showtime this comedy. Show time this hosted by lena away. Yeah no side darted. that'd be sort of in a row mentioned his got the in show here we go. We go big kingdom. What check they wrote to merrill he brings us up triggered me because i was gonna say shit the whole episode every can go four hours but once you gotta talk you got her sex offender i would say no but you know what jesus brought oh he's keno third week in a row. Wow this is just like a king for three weeks in a row. They just had cheeto bag of cheetos on top of the fridge directly to camera just randomly just randomly no money of all. We'll go ahead. Probably play good admiral working so i didn't realize like i thought when you are on the sex offender registry. It's like you're like you know you gotta go and like you know go you you you. You gotta shit. Ktla eight. what documents can touch. But i don't like i didn't realize there's levels so like if you just put your dick out and like a supermarket and like fucking watermelon. That's like you're still under the same umbrella and like a dude who got wild child piano like sixteen hard drives on even what wa you if you pull your dick out. Peed their school. You could become a sex offender. That's that's what. What if i just to twenty and i gotta go bad. Well you gotta go somewhere else. But if you've got a good lawyer they can be like you had like a prostate problem or something. But i mean if you know how to finagle the system you are able to use those loopholes to get out of getting a sex offender registry is people who got you sit back a day if you got caught with bags. Crows shit you'd be like. Oh my god i'm addict. I need and put you in like shock treatment or some bullshit like that but in a cost. It's like wait a minute. You got four bags of the purest china white. You fien diane. You gotta ed hardy shirt on bro. Come on you're you're in five fifty an hard shirt that you're you're ahead. Yeah i don't know about that pal. Also apologize against data higher for merrill putting kingdom propaganda. Everybody knows only kate number respect on this podcast who You you ever want to beat someone down with mickey holding big. Go yeah go. Hp okay the only could be like donald duck fucked up and works. It works pull out. The brolich soared from the ball. Cloud sorta exactly. You really could not work in real life. But i mean uh eighty thousand pounds of steel slinging sleep man. That's what i love animators. Because like they'll argue about shit. That's like fictional like black people back. Then it's tax on titan titans like then there's a huge naked people running around. Yeah like what do you mean. They're going to be people who does that mean. Yes but remember how your kids. I know that school done. They close the schools in jersey. Oh god this the fam. I'm coming back to the studio with lake. Totally bald like slow. Only have to come here. No more like here. Just be like he'll be like damn shit. I'm gonna just put some mat- some finish on your on your dome and you know it's everything is changing day to day. That's the fucking shit. Is if i if i'll be cool if we're consistently gonna do this For the scholastic year. I'm cool with that. If you tell me oh get mentally prepared because these mother fuckers are going to be in the crib all day. I'm like i bet like what. I'm saying to my mental push. Ups go to therapy cathy. She's about to get real happy. You know we. We have to our sessions going forward. You know what i'm saying but it's like a one week because this so what's happening is this they'll catch Potentially exposed student Ball shut the school down. Two weeks sanitized. I tested make sure the kid is good now. We back foot as two weeks. Were on computers so it was just weird like especially if you're a little kid like because we never experienced that has little kids like when school was school was out. There was no remote shit. Like you know what i mean like. You just came back. But like i'm like what is the seven year old like like i don't know maybe maybe we're building like superhumans. Maybe the a silver lining. But like i know my kids are like yo fuck this be like. I wanna be in school with my guys. You know what i'm saying you week. 'cause back our generation guests shut down on a week to week basis with no big deal. You know you do that diddy. Yeah that remember the studio remember that right like just walking august shutdown studio boom and it was like oh damn but that's why did he say so. I mean bro. i mean if you're having a problem with your kids. I know a guy a wayfair and he can help you with this a phone. Get out of here. Victor could you get security as as walking in houston fun lake. This is this is a new you route brow. There's the brow like i know. What are you guys. got a bag client. Come on come on. Come on out spit out. I haven't come on. I haven't done anything in a while. Bro come over the counter terrorism wing. The lock is broken evidencing check. Oh yeah probably a line anthrax. Like i've been feeling twenty cents. Let's go pro growth august. Yes right by biological warfare weapons. Then they rewind ten minutes. They're like give it up for new special agent michael anthony. And they're like yes. Yes he's here to help covy. He's a michael. While the whole time mike we could tell us what talents you bring to see to you while you know. I'm very. I'm an expert on substances and things like that you know so like and also like i got a lot of street smarts saying like a lot of people would say like you know like i went to stapleton a lot. You know what. I'm saying like not to rat or anything like that. I would get dog food but like still like the all roads this or like. I'm a part of hip hop history. Have you ever copter dubbed from you. God all right. That's enough that's enough. Thank you special agent. Michael anthony day. Thank you simplify. Brow in the background. Like cohen coley khloe. You can't substantiate these fucking. He doesn't know anything software routines special agent. The staten island. But he doesn't know word perfect. He doesn't know microsoft word he doesn't even know like he doesn't even excel waking hitting. We have a good look at all the check marks on his phone and he calls hulu for bags over time and he's always meaning offically boulevard and it looked like i keep you stupid. The succotash like what are we doing while like you saw bothering me. I'm trying to like use an ibm thinkpad to build a drone. I won't even your ugly smart so like as a nerd attracted to you like to blow your back out right right so like that. They can i. Can you do role playing. Like do like lord of the rings and i'll be like a muggle. I just want you to ask of all. If i won't take you definitely have to lose the fidora. No yeah keep like james. What's going on here. Chloe added coordinator nuclear. Bob sapp boys the new place where you can get recaps of every every hot young chick. I and my father used to watch this. Podcast on are like super nisha. They just talk show. Will what of twenty four word anymore. Twenty four niche defensive of sorry. I'm sorry i just saw my french. People know what i'm saying. I don't wanna culturally appropriate. Wow you really you really just gonna say the n. Word damn dog. Wow sorry. I just look. I'm sorry it slipped. I don i don't like bringing up boys stuff on the podcast but like this is not the first time. You've said niche and your partner tweets. Yeah begin pushed up. You've been saying you've niche. And he's like. I know i know like look. Look so if you to do better. I mean look. I'm trying bro. Like it's just you know how hard it is. We you know where we come from man like it's just like it's like you know so hard to untrained your brain about this about this. Look at this photo is you would next year holding your own erection and saying i'm proud boy. Is that what you are. You're probably no no no no no no no boy. I was like look at my meat. Like what i'm saying. 'cause i was trying to find the allusive t pain sound by of mba. That got some rate. You know what i'm saying with the dick pic but what a what a vegan said. It was I mean you you know you probably meet i. I mean we know that the industry like mine personally but not industry no way china vigo so you hate butchers. Would you have the butcher. You saying no no no no no matter how may have been missed interpreted Binny's excellent rapper. What i'm saying. I don't know about his butch. Wow so you feel that. Benny hill treatment of women was correct. In the way they should have been subjugated. It was back then. Back then i would. I would i was on. I was on the staff for shows that production. At every time that that would happen. I would yell very loud. The i will say this very misogynistic but then what they did is they trick me and in post production. They put in the music over me screaming. So that's why every time he says the women around it's like gonna etc etc. You understand that. You are on the staff of the billy hill. Show just but i like reluctance. You know what i'm saying. You took so when margaret thatcher did austerity measures to take money away from you money for your no. No no no no no not at all not we have to go to commercial. We'll be right back is that you killed his hannah. Why how'd you how'd you. How'd you okay. We'll be right back bbc four. We got this nigga. We're here with the kiro from america. All right up next quicker for our new show called this. The toast only here on bbc the channel not the other one nine other blimey. You got onto map pressure even vs shit. This is law and order. I was like wow why someone who's wanna talk. Victor hit another spoonful the beans. It's like yeah this is my mouth little airplay. Should i come on We'll talk to you constable. I won't won't. I won't say that to. You could just keeps lightly tapping the little baton like. I'm going to do it harder. All right i'm gonna do it harder. That's against geneva against the beneath convention. Why why why. We're just doing everything on our own. So like this no casting playing eddie murphy. Shit victims the constable. Everyone's i did y'all shoot. It's only three niggers we play off the fuck. Merrill plays the queen elizabeth. I play presents. Die is not a good movie. We shut shit in my basement. Oh the car chase on outside. Will powell wheels o bloody. Oh bloody fox charles. 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At least they're on is on the my child he says. I don't a video. Like i want people to be free to be by yo. Yo what you do afro punctuality. She's taking the mic. He's taking the mike. I'm here for being effort into the my what she's doing. I believe pan in africa. I love a your guys. Yeah and like you guys have been oppressed for solon and eighty. Yeah yeah free. Schwerin free. The nine th nova free. That's right free. Yeah yo yo yes. Yeah yeah it'd be able fan. Wow she just go overboard like all my black people standing daddy. Let's get together where we would like short short. He's actually goes far. I know she got the the twitter name. Africa checks out so technically she's i mean what would you do if your son was at home alone on a bedroom for because he's hungry and the only way to feed him is. Hey use coupons from diego boys for overeats in your new best is some food look at home. F- that little league is home alone him a biscuit go. That's our new service called biscuit. 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Strictly all these news came through here and nobody ever beat this record like nobody ever got twenty seven percents talk to hunt and then i was just like how. How does this make that. I was like oh the d'antoni's seven seconds. It's like you just shoot. Shoot shoot shoot you chewed. Here's a hot teases take assistants pussies and nikola can't do it bull right. There is pat exactly like now they are back in the day. They'd be like yo teachers up people who couldn't do it so they teach it not assists for nick they don't got the heart to go to the whole or those don't believe in themselves to shoot it. You're saying Because you know what. I made that mistake. I remember lima high school china for the basketball team. I did at least fifteen assists during my tryout. Tom's could scored. Tanya would have been ill on a fast break but my dumb ass as a team sport. I gotta show niggers. I'm on the team. I'm playing for the team. And it was like i did have an of heart to take it to the whole and you know me. I would have been super selfish. Was trying to put up. The same known as mba live character was doing. I walked in that. Jim wraparound oakley's like let's go the fuck ago but no so. Listen if you have a chance the dishes and you shoot it even if you don't have the shot shoot it because accounts to do a right because if you pass and other person gets the ball scores you're gonna assistant. This is not the same as points. Okay and rebecca up the court and do like he's at shit like that and like you know even how to take an assist as a moral victory. Okay mean nothing if you before you know. League coach in minor league coaches those who wake up sunday morning yelling at girls stop. Bunching stopped punching at wave hill. Okay there's very specific. Yeah joe synagogue reference. You know what i'm saying. Oh what's i gotta pick a hanukkah's tiff for this year. Because you know what. I'm saying this this. 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We got four days bro. I as seth right. Because i think i gotta get in the lab Go how'd it go talk Cardinals out on day. One every jeff after pond scum off right there boom right there let's go come on bony goes the hanukkah classic right there. I want you to play back. Adam sandler shit no more you put that right there you get to t- get your your school. Boiler you get your a school. Boiler is scores of well. Just scroll spongebob. that would be her Exactly smart guy chef. A guy named shelley. It's its own someone's yelling at yellow into the speaker coup. We could hear it. Say it again. What savage randy rah rah. Sandy cheeks sandy's handshakes. Wow thank you thank. You said that the person it at your speaker you this do you right there. You thank you you did that. You know what i'm saying. Also spongebob shot to sponge off a being suseya on the low all the time. What's he almost sank. Cheeks this room saying that's that's the beauty of this show us also as a child. You don't get the references now when you do remember when you're just like oh. They live in the bottom of sea. Ha it's funny and then you've got one episode where spongebob said the sandy. He was like you'll put me between your legs. Stop you ministration flow and i was like. Whoa whoa your remember. Squidward remember scored like. Oh god another day of having a nine inch knows and you know what happened after that with the patty crabs i. It was a bro. He fucked whale. Like i was word. I was next. Look that was they. Were really wiling out on this show. We didn't make the cut was out of control but when he was just suffering crab patty me her mouth and she was crying. Like oh it was badly you know the wildest shit is like i don't like i feel like we might be the first people that say this. The two girls one cup shit like they got from spongebob light. But that should just didn't make the cut like like their bro. Was there like cameras. They're gonna build and fifteen fifteen member. Claudia mrs puff was pegging mr crab and feel mr crab key crab. Yeh that was was next. Hi my name's eases nice. And i'm here with the kid meryl as proud of viacom. Cbs sasho apologize for a previous statements. Denigrating proper brand on the vicompte. cbs network. we'd also like to remind you that viacomcbs. Cbs is the number one home for classic entertainment. Whether it's this or free also. I would like to remind you that. Hbo max's babylon and if you watch it you turn gate. Have you have asked me to do. Sorry sorry yeah. Y'all hey listen. Everybody everybody out is like maybe we should barrel way. We we liked you better with guess what we don't care. I'm here to tell you so right. Now we'd okay. That's the other day i was in this row. You don't say i was. I was i was bob back issue. You know. just good times when he was like i was like he was like well. Why the party stop now. you know. Know is columbia. University guys do and i was like. Oh shit bro was i. Give eight over there. Call me robbie rebel. I was like oh rob. You all like i was doing that. Robin chill bro. You need to know. What is bobby's come out. I feel like bobby's rhinos supposed to have come out of jail. They killed bobby's murder. Replace them with a crawl problem. Is everyone on twitter. Just he's making released aids for bobby's murder and eventual reliever twitter. I need you come here as a family. We're going to huddle up. Come on come on. Come on this is this is proud. Olea your showed up to play playing today. You are uplifted on. The field. Couldn't go any harder when i need her. Listen will you see someone tweets something and it sounds important. I knew to go back. Look good bro. He preached. I'm pre-trade tension. The twitter avatar to twitter header and their previous tweets for example. If someone is tweeting about how these microchips in the vaccine they may for covid tisci's devils okay. And their last four tweets are about. They want to eat their ass and the twitter avatar. Oppo tony shillue. I'm not retreat. This my brother. This is not dr no material okay. He's don't want you to know that. Okay if you if you see somebody and saying that they seen mirrow shoplifting at a rest stop a route for is usually okay. That was a me at just because they have something in their head of that says new york state new jersey state police just because they got shit says protect the serve recipes to all our state troopers at died in new jersey. Would you who do you know. Do you know when you know them. Don't listen listen that fuck outta here if you see by deer if you see a clown as cost scarlets edison has anyone is. He stole money off. The floor. Stole a louis vuitton purse from a dancer does listen that does children but no no. He's a stand up guy. I know him now years he would never say he might you know he. He may take on it. But if you've got five hundred hundred he's gonna leave you before thanksgiving you end up guy. Degrom saying he also told needs guy. Louis vuitton personally was trying to buy sales slightly us got a little glitter on it. How big brother. How can clothing can we convince. Can't wow mcdonald's cheeseburgers from mcdonald's become vintage here let me let me shut the fuck before the before the focus. Call us tomorrow and like hey guys. He's trying to scott balan. You wanna do. That would be mcdonalds meal. Oh boy listen. I my boy came home and you know when you come home. It's hard to get a job but mcdonald's will give you shop so my boy came home and he was working at the mcdonalds cannot like the one. That's like in the middle. Chinatown like this. Like the is like half and like you know chinese and like so. I go there late night because he used to work the graveyard joint. So i used to go there and order what he used to call a quest mac. You know what. I'm saying the quest he would put two of the like My my my guy. Run around what i'm saying to graffiti and things with okay. 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Whats Next in Church Multiplication Episode 2

Exponential Podcast

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Whats Next in Church Multiplication Episode 2

"Greetings my name. Is bill coconut part of the exponential team. And it's my honor to welcome you to this discussion on. What's next in church modification. it's been what an interesting time to. Just here's were beginning to close out a year. That very few of us could have intimidated at all. It's almost almost feel surreal. And i actually think twenty twenty was hitting at one of the most maybe the most dynamic time in the history of the church in the west there were already a changes it. We're seeing underway in the church that just seem to have been accelerated by the by the pandemic and what i going to show my screen here for just a second. I'm gonna show you a picture that i took on yesterday morning and sing about did it. Seems like we're seeing metaphors for twenty twenty everywhere and and you know maybe this is another one now because i think about the campus leaders talked to over the last night over little nine months now and it's it's clear to me that we're not all in the same boat. We're all in the same storm but we're in different boats and it's impacting us differently. But but perhaps this boat represent some of us in twenty twenty and and now we're really wondering do we just patch the ship and wait for high tide or do we commission a brand new ship or do we do or do both and i think it's that that broad uncertainty along with the week to week uncertainties to this past year that have played a significant role in the streets of many leaders and but the uncertainty also. I think leads to a deeper reliance on the holy spirit and i was reminded this morning. Senator in twelve ninety one of the many just paradoxes of scripture that his strength is made perfect in our weakness. And so the the other thing i like about this pictures noted that the the clouds are beginning. Clear to the west and a new days dawning in the east. And i believe that while while it's painful for many i think god is has been refining and reshaping the church in the west and and that's really what what brings us here today. I wanted you to your from leaders that have kind of a a a national even a global perspective of of what's been taking place they just have a very broad perspective on the church in the west and i think their views on where we've been and where we're headed are important to all of us in so these these are people. I personally wanted to hear from so. So look at. What next in church modification It's my honor to introduce you to some of the really truly three amazing leaders so first of all patrick o'connell global director of the new network. Welcome patrick that they have you with us. Thanks our avenue. Bill t tell us just briefly a little bit for those. That may not be familiar with new thing just a little bit about new thing. Yeah we're we'd say we're a catalyst. For movements of reproducing. Churches were churches from really all over the world at this point aligned around mission and not necessarily theology. theology is important of course but we kinda claim. Hey let's get on mission together. Let's be friends on mission and we orbit if you will around four values which is relationships We we network churches together. we reproduce it all levels are we share god's resources even passers are only stewards of god's resources Not only buildings and money but trainings and coaching and things like that. And then we really place a high value on residency which is really about investing in the next generation of church. Planters are wherever they may be good. We also have with us. Jeff bennett the vice president of church. Planning for stadia jeff. Welcome a thanks bill. Thanks for inviting me to this scarred. Shares a little bit about stadium for those that may not be familiar. Yeah absolutely so stadiums. Birth in two thousand and three and really are missions to plant churches. That intentionally care for the next generation and so we work with church planters and establish churches with our planters. We have just over. The years created up and developed the full portfolio of services that serve planters really from when they're discerning whether they should church plant or not Through you know post launch. Whatever launched may look like for their model We also work with establish churches to help them think about multiplication. We have a great partnership with new thing. Patrick his team In doing that We also are working with strategic partner. I of around the country denominations and networks around the country Couple years ago we've made a shift in our financial model to offer our services for church planters for free and no strings. attached said. it's been fun to work with and partner with a lot of groups around the country to plant more churches pretty monumental shift funds than fun. Yeah excellent excellent. We also have with us no hiking in of the midwest director for twenty nine. He also is the lead pastor review lansing michigan and chairman of the board for reliant mission. No good to have you with us. Say it's a great view. The guys does A little bit about twenty nine for anyone. That may not be familiar. Well actually we're we're pretty small movement about six hundred churches globally and we. We like to say that. We're a diverse global family of church pain churches and so our big three pillars are logical clarity a cultural engagement and mitchell innovation. And so really. What we wanna do is going to be known as churches that plant churches and so churches planters. Is that pat churches that we are pursuing holiness in humility and being really a radically diverse global community of of church. That's exa and there's there's a commonality between all three of these really pushing for kingdom modification the disciple making base movement and just as noah said churches planning churches plant churches and love to see that are are a lot of times when we talked about our five levels than the difference between level four level five. An easy way to think about that is the five is reproductions of the fourth generation. Because that's really what we're working toward will guys. We were talking just before we went live. Which sounds funny. 'cause we're actually live before we for we before. We started broadcasting. That it's it's hard to believe that the the global experts conference in orlando was in this same calendar year halloween. It just sounds like feels like three years ago but there was a decade ago. Your line i heard somebody say. The decades have been in ministry the two thousand to two thousand ten january and february twenty twenty february to march. I just started. i'm curious. How has this impacted you guys personally. What what's this year have been like for you and your family first. I this. it's been different. I mean far family. I mean we're we're good. We're healthy. I've got a freshman in college and a junior in high school two girls. So there's you know the college very little time on campus mall. Classes have been virtual. So you know there's been some Disappointing not be able to get the college experience so she's navigated really well but so there's certainly been some disappointments. There's been some great opportunity as well. I've not traveled as much so been home a lot and have tried to enjoy that time obviously extended time with family. So it's been good so yeah definitely challenges but some good things as well so well. I'm a planner veto gracious rate. I know you didn't know the or bill. None of us want to tell you how we're doing. That's positive they're going to just be honest. I'm a plan enter. Which made this year really hard for me. And our church launched a five year vision that was launched in two thousand twenty which was just. Yeah just amazing and we big plans nine. It was a rough year. Franks twenty nine of any of you guys have known any of the stuff has gone on for us and so in the midst of a pandemic and everything else that was happening. We had a lot of tension around a lot of. There's you know a lot of ways personally A great family they'll my wife is a rockstar mom and so it it has been good for be a mom. We got a adult daughter to college student. Sons sun high school be rained hungering the season and she got to be in her sweet spot and so really. Our family has been fantastic. Has been really good and the weirdest thing the best thing that's come out of twenty twenty for me is i walk every day and i just had to get out of the house away from the zoom calls and just learn walk into two five miles every single day and by every single in five to six th pescarolo inflation walk five or six days. I walked five miles. And it's just been a life giving so good for you advocate out the i share i share. What what jeff have gone through personally frauds. Blessings been give my family's well. I have a daughter. Who's a nikki nurse. Who is pregnant with our first grandchild. So yes that's crazy. Sars a whole nother story up and then my middle son is in college but has been doing it remotely although on campus which is a whole nother story and then we still have one at home finishing up his senior year. So we've been very good there and no really like you said. I'm a lifelong runner. And i've probably put in more miles this year than ever. It's how god gets me alone But i wouldn't give it up for anything. So i don't always want to do it and i live in chicago so the weather's not always cooperative like you said no finding that one thing that i that i cook into physically has been just a remarkable blessing to the also in italy spiritually etc. As your your leadership's been tested to this last year and and You know kind of. I guess jumping into the the whole meat of this conversation right off the bat here. What what are the lessons learned as you look back on. Twenty twenty nine you know We kind elect to january january. One as this you know new dawning and and is really kind of an arbitrary date But but it is. It does give us time to to think back over a year like this. What would have been some of the lessons. That you've learned are or maybe even things that you knew that you know just became deeper truths be to what i last time. So i'm okay go go ahead. You know it's interesting to me. Is just jesus statement that you'll know you're my followers by your love for one. Another has both been. I think of tested and shown to be so true. Like there's just so many facets to that where it just seems like you know. Churches have have realized how much they need community and they've gone out of the way to figure out how to do that. Church pensive figured out. How to do that. How to love one another and then in those places where we haven't loved one another it has had reputational impact on the church and we'll help people think about jesus and so it is really for me. One of the big learnings of twenty twenty is how true jesus's words were there. Yeah i think. I think for me you know. Ministry is being pushed down and out more than it has been a long time. And we've always talked about that. We've always talked about the need for that disciple. Making but i mean churches have been putting a place where they have to do that now and i think about Sauce reading a couple of months into covid in acts eight four in chapter seven. Stephen has been martyred first christian martyr. Persecution breaks out in the beginning of chapter eight and in acts eight births for the message. Paraphrase that these are. The words forced to leave home base. The followers of jesus all became missionaries. And that is really stood out to me that morning. 'cause i mean let's face it in the. Us church of physical building has been home based for us for a long long time and covid forced us to leave home base. But i'll read than i thought. What if the result was that the followers of jesus all became missionaries like. They didn't early church. We would look back at covadonga and for all the pain and death and her that it's caused there will be something great that came out of it and so my prayer just became then as you know what persecution did in the early church that the pandemic would do in the us church. And i think it's one of the great opportunities we have with covid is the spread multiplication of the gospel patrick. Uc yeah absolutely piggybacking. Off of what jeff of said. I remember when kobe was first breaking. I had just got back from europe doing some work with some pastors their night. I went for a run. That's what i do when i'm stressed or overwhelmed right. Need god's to just you know. Give me alone i run and so i remember. Gosh what am i going to do what. What can i do during this crisis. What how do. I lead new thick and He very graciously. I sense than we've been kind of moving off from. Listen he you know. He spoke the same words to others around me as you've got to really focus on multiplication like never before this is a global crisis that is going to produce profound opportunity for the global church By the way the global church has never undergone a crisis like this as one and therefore it has brought leaders together in remarkable ways. Now they've come together because they are broken or lost or without resources or like jeff said they don't have the buildings especially that we've learned the hard way west however echoing knowles said you know there's a there's a deep skirt of of focusing on jesus and his kingdom and the mission of god and as we've got to collaborate to accomplish that and that i think is a really profound wakeup call for the church and i think is going to predict some really cool things in the future. So that's what we've been learning gift to use the phrase book pushing pushing it down and out. I think and know you talk about you know where you're seeing that sort of the win. Another done really. Well which is. I think is a part of that. Where where specifically are you guys seeing that deng well like what are some of the characteristics because there are also some churches that are are wrestling with that and and you know finding it hard to do that. So what are what are some examples. Were you've seen that done. Well what are maybe some of the characteristics of why they're doing it. Well patrick i'm calling. Yeah yeah i. I mean i could tell a quick story. I think i was speaking to one of our friends in france the smoking and we had just finished some some initial work team in In central france and we were we were starting some networks is what we do at new theory. We group churches together. I network gotten together. And say hey. You're better together than you are alone. And what has been remarkable to me is to see how they have adapted and innovated their network structures the collaboration for kingdom and church planting and my friend. Luke was telling me that he had started out as a multi site of two churches because of cova a group of spanish. Speaking people came that his church. This is in france. He quickly realized that he has a spanish speaking church now and so he's literally he had a he he apprenticed a new leader and they started a spin speaking church and so what was challenged and hardship has resulted in a new church. Being i think that's just illustrative of what's what god's doing you know. You mentioned that. The collaboration thing there i think the one thing has been in for me is groups and pastors and church partners have not collaborated before have found that. They've needed somebody who understood what they were going through. So i've seen first year church. Planters just flock together almost in their pain and angst. And i've seen mega church pastors. Do the same thing sometimes in the same city that they've never talk to each other before but they need somebody else to talk to and so. I'm prayerful that this spirit of collaboration because we needed it turns into collaboration. Because we need it. You know what i mean. It's kind of like you know it. I'm hoping that that continues with especially multiplication efforts. And i think some of the need to. Let's face it when we were focused. Pastors and church is focus on a weekend event. I mean in some ways. It takes a lot of people on the size of your church. Pull that off but the other day. It doesn't take that many people. And when you when you split up a church and can't meet at the building and whether you have one hundred people or ten thousand people you need more leaders. Who can help you lead pastor well. And then and that's where i think that multiplication p she start realize lot opportunities here to multiply churches to where are people at like. Let's not start something new. Let's just have them pastor and lead and make disciples where they already are whether it's a group or a neighborhood affinity group or neighborhood and i think that's where you know to your point patrick's like we have a spanish speaking church now like the opportunities is just take the blinders off to go. There's a lot of opportunities here and if we can help a love. My friends doug parks bought rental talk with intentional churches. We tend to think of the intentional one. Think luke fifteen to nine on the one we tend to think the institutional one cova does think about who are ninety nine's once and and there's a lot opportunities there when you start helping your ninety nine ridge their one. Jeff you said it just a firm it. the keyword. That's come up for us is mobilization. And i'm an old army guy was in the army for awhile and the army mobilizes people right but this has been an incredible opportunity. And we're just getting the first glimpse a little bit for the body of christ be mobilized in ways that we probably haven't seen or have understood is necessary impossible and so i'm i'm with you. I see some really cool things happening as a result back. Patrick i wonder if another military terms redeployment on because i i really do. Think that and this goes with jefferson. Just you've got life group leaders who are now in a sense hosting a church in their home with a you know and i'm wondering if there's a redeployment of staff and leaders into new missile innovations that we can't even fathom we have fathomed into joint twenty thousand churches schools and businesses who are helping their cultures flourish with right now media. Media is the world's largest library of video driven bible studies leadership training and personal resources to their more. About how right now media can help you care for your people visit right now. Media dot org. Here's the other good news One of the things. We've been working with a barn of the last few months as they come and talk about hybrid church Something that stadium. We've been calling vigil the fiscal digital aspect and one thing interesting. In fact this report. I think just came out a couple of weeks ago. There in their state of the church series is they found. Fifty two percent of christians are wanting the training are wanting the evangelism and leadership training. And so that's pretty exciting. Jesus followers are going. Help me reach my one. Gaza fusions for redeploy. That's like call to both the leaders of the church that we can actually do. The things scriptures called us to sabotage. It's awesome interesting. I've not i've not seen that figure yet. A fifty two percent and it actually actually surprises me. That do you think that. That's a those fifty. Two percent represent people that are wanting to live into their vision to ten gifting that recognize calling on their lives or that there should be a calling on their lives are or is it just training to serve the institutional church. What is there any break or any feel for what that make up. Might look like that's a great question. I think it's the personal calling. There's price some of both. But i think because the institutional piece has been changed in during the season and it's going to look different moving forward. Think it's you know what cannot do i mean if you're following jesus i mean you've you've got this there's got to be something more and when you throw everything beyond even covert that's been taking place in our country this year. I mean you just realize there is deep need. A neighbors have needs you know. I'm feeling pain and exhaustion. There's things but my neighbors need. At least have jesus of got hope beyond my current circumstances. But how do i help others. Sham bill just your question. I think if i put on my hat of the local church pastor here in chicago with community christian were were underway with an effort. A micro church expression of community cushion called three sea communities or and we're coaching six couples right now to launch these mid sized communities. That would have never have happened washington. It's let me say it this way. That would have been a slower burn. Coding and so that's one anecdotal piece of evidence. That what you said is true. And then i can tell you this. I've had more business. Leaders say as lay leader in local churches participate in more of our online coaching and training calls than ever before. It's kind of like those lines like a. We're the full line passing do conferences in the day. Maybe we'll catch up the evening to deal. That's all blurred at this point and it's been really cool to see that's excellent. Where where'd you see like what advice it churches all all along the spectrum. I mean i. Ironically maybe even sadly there are churches. They're still hanging on. There's gonna be some version of february twenty twenty that we're gonna come back to you know we don't know exactly what it's gonna look like but it's highly unlikely it's going to be february twenty twenty again. All the way to like you said services were already seemed to be decentralized coveted just kind of accelerated. There are a lot of churches in the middle that that truly didn't realize sunday centric. They were that that that really until until that we can gathering was taken away they didn't realize and so they genuinely want to move in this direction of of of doing ministry through their people the cycle. What advice do you have for for. Passer that are leading church like that but really genuinely want to move beyond being sunday century and realize that may come back there. They want invest in their people. What are what are some practical. You give them if if monument started read when when kobe i started kind of breaking out if you will in that february time for you mentioned bill. We started doing some some blog posts. Because i was talking to a lot of leaders and i wanted to capture what they were saying. So i've been taking notes and then we'd try to write it up and we realized that we had these kinds of these five emerging themes. Come on we put it together. It's on our website. We think that org. It's called five shifts. We said there's five shifts that the church needs to really make your and our opinion are humble opinion And and those five steps very quickly are we gotta learn how to evaluate reality better than we did before we just got to be honest in in and understand if our systems are making disciples in releasing cycles. And if they're not let's let's go back to the drawing board we gotta focus on this idea of digitalization. Which is the fidget idea. That jeff mentioned our version and digitalization is more about how to human beings in technology in iraq. We've seen lots of churches engage with lots of new content. But i wanna see us engaged people better than we have been conceived. We're still learning mobilization. We talked about that collaboration. We talked about that and multiplication. It's always coming back multiplication. And so what. We've been asking churches to doing leaders to do is keep your eyes on kingdom multiplication and use this as an opportunity to really evaluate and reengineer. What's your point. I was not expecting to be on calls with pastors. Who were literally in tears and lamenting the fact that they didn't know what the next step was is. I i don't know let's pray about it but that was a really hard season for me personally in this was in that february march. Third time. i'll never forget it humbled me But to your point it's when those moments were passes realized i. We're just not designed for this and we've got to redesign it. And i think i am confident. Us that your glory. And i think that whole the whole fitch dole idea we start some learning communities learning communities and are hoping i was to help. Churches thrive grow and multiply it because in the midst of it's like how do you thrive. How do you pivot shift like we gotta figure that piece out and grow but man to your point patrick. The the in games always multiplication can always reaching those who haven't been breached and so how do we. How do we look at cova. Not as a threat but as an opportunity you know in this season. And i think you're you're so there's the whole idea you talked about as patrick. So just kinda yes and what you say the thinking digital i was a definite pivot. Here's the reality it. The whole digital thing was not new. You know it's like. I mean i think estimates are seventy percent of the people who attended your weekend fiscal gathering. Had already checked you out on. This was not new but thinking digital. I was new for the local church that concept we realized the passers realized aright know when we think about the things churches going to do. If you can translate digitally do it. If you can't translate it digitally. i don't even know why you would do it. You know especially that season. You couldn't do anything in person. I was there some times now. You can do things in person but again just from workload. Can you deliver a digital and a How can you kind of ease the workload think digital but to that other point patrick the whole engagement being key not content. I think that was up thing. Local churches pastors staff members had to think about content stole important. But we kinda had really focused there. Let's deliver great content and the reality. Is you know somebody said. Attention is the new commodity and it's like engagements key how the content with calls. How do we use. How do we create content. How do we get great. Content causes engagement in people and connection. And i think that's been a that's been a big thing. Local church pastors have had figure out in the season. You know for churchgoers. I was trying to church planter couple about two weeks ago and his plan is to launch here and twenty twenty one and his entire pre engagement strategy is digital and there is a sense so we're bunch of old heads Four bald heads on this call us. Just be really honest but noted. But here's here's the deal. I didn't know jeff voice when you're out how to let these younger guys these younger planters who are more digital natives than we are lead the charge and we need to follow and so as he was talking about his church planning strategy and digital being the front door already. All i started to think how do i said how the world's gonna plant and twenty twenty one. He goes while digital's the front door so and so he knew the language. And i think that you know our church was started. By jesus people in the seventies the oldest percents was twenty four and it was launched. And i mean the the bottom line. Is we old. Heads are going to have to let the younger yet. Lead the charge in this digital age. And if we don't do that we are shooting. Our churches are networks. it's been fascinate. Just some of the church players we've gotten to serve watching them thrive during this because they get the digital space. I mean we had several planters that we were serving went that i mean they had plans to launch down the road. They went ahead and go. We had one planter that had over sixty people in their launch team before they ever moved to the town. They were planting in way another. You know you talk about equipping others another had six groups that were meeting again in that pre ramp up season. I mean within a couple months. Kobe had seventeen groups meeting. At your right no. I think that's been one of the gifts of kobe has been i think pastors church staffs are looking to the younger generation more and more and should been doing up before but i think that's a huge blessing right and if i can keep on that so boxer second we need to work hard to not try to grab the reins back when the season's over and it is the natural. I mean just if. Paul consented timothy delivering. Look down on you. Because you're young. It reminds us that our proclivity old people's to think we've got it all figured out and we don't and so we find those with speech. Life love fades impurity. That are good. Examples of the faith. We should be handing the reins big being their biggest cheerleaders. we. We can't grab this thing back because like bill saying that i think it reminds. Were like oh or go back to february. Twenty twenty one. No you're not and you have no idea what's coming to leverage that opportunity and get some young leaders into the into the shoot guys. I want at one thing what you said. Because i think it's an important point the the equally important that the north american church in western church mrs to the global church in this fun so what has been fascinating to me. We did a We did a co for Mobilizing your church for multiplication during a pandemic just having fun with that and we deliberately shows indian leaders in asian leaders To speak into our context. So i love what. You're driving at null loud. Thanks for setting it up. Jeff listen to those younger leaders who've got a follow them. I think that the church in north america has an opportunity to integrate with with the global church in ways that we never frankly been forced to do. And i mean that respectfully but we've always kind of been. Hey we got it. We got the systems. We got the platform for money. We got the conferences. We got the thought leadership but we need tenacity. We need their prayer life. We need their ability to navigate hardship and challenge. And i'm i've been. I've been amazed at that and i just wanna keep pushing for that as well awesome. Yeah that's a good word i mean. Isn't it amazing. During this time with so much you know we've had to look at digital and leaning how much blending of global and us. I mean the lines are just totally. That's a great word. Patrick we we have the platforms in the us. So there's a tendency to think that we have all the thought leaders because those are the ones that the books of the ones that yet. That's a that's that's a really good word yet. You mentioned engagement. And jeff and i. I think that's really important. I talked to joe myers. Wrote a book called the blog about twelve years ago. I one to kind of bring this idea of proximity to the church that we develop relationships enforced bases in personal social public calls with him early on in this pandemic on just to get his thoughts and he said the tendency for most churches in this goes to what you were saying no about digital immigrants and digital natives. The tennessee for most churches is to take what they were doing on the weekend. Just broadcast that and somehow right you know in in what we do on the weekend tends to be public space we sit in rows. We look at the back people's heads. We don't interrupt what's going on. He said the opportunity churches have is to go to social space and actually engaged people. Like you were saying. Jeff how do we. How do we get the interaction there. It's not about views and how many people sat in but having people are actually engaged in what we're doing. It's been exciting to see that our report we would the Carry neuhof said coming out of this. You have to think of yourself as a digital church that physical presence not a physical church was with the digital presence do you. How do you think that's true for all churches. Some churches churches How does that. How does that strike you coming out that you need to think of yourself as a digital church with a physical presence not of church with a firm that i'm gonna firm because And i'll say this for two reasons number one that's precisely what we're talking about. Gear in chicagoland were fifty ourselves as a digital church. Not but there's many expressions of that but there's a primary content engagement needs to be digitally. But then i also recall story of a leader in kampala uganda. We had her on a call and she was explaining. How if you told her before. Covid that she would be engaging with her church via whatsapp or facebook messenger and grouping them and to cycling them and releasing it in the mission she said you would have been nuts avocados. Exactly what they've been doing and so I'm i'm inspired by that. And i see many more may more church planters and church leaders. Who are meeting with the engagement side of digital as you gentlemen describe it not just. Hey i got cameron sunday. Morning worship service Or got a camera in front of me so people can hear me preach all good things not knocking those. But it's got to be more than that. And i'm hearing this more and more from churches that were join twenty thousand churches schools businesses who are helping their cultures flourish with right now media right now. Media is the world's largest library of video driven bible studies leadership dream and personal care resources to their more about how right now media can help care for your people visit right now media dot org. I have this tension with this one. And an i remember what i i would carry i. I think he just tweeted that out when he first i thought yes now no later and and i don't know how much of this is me being old and gray and i thought it was biblical and i'm like you know. We are incarnation with people in the community and people zoom fatigue and all this and i still have a lot of that that is still i think we need to be embodied and with people and and this is where i'm saying i am conflicted. All over the place this leadership cohort. I've leading church. And there's a a woman in the scriptures her early twenties and she just talked about how the zoom meetings when we've had those versus the meeting In person have really been helpful for her in her -bility to process and think and take notes and engaged and when she said that. I'm like what is wrong with you. And then i'm like okay. Maybe someone's wrong with me. So i'm i'm a both aunt. I think carries right. I think carries crazy. That's typically alternatively so. It's fine. But i think that we have to embrace. I don't think the digital is going away. We have resisted as just upper mid local church pastor at we've resisted having digital only campus for years as multi site and. I don't think it's going away. And i think that Actually the the guy i think nailing this is our guys know a pastor. How in singapore. But he's got a youth church movement that's just absolute out of this world But he basically said that they want to continue to have the digital presence. Be the front door. Now to getting people into incarnation community. And that he wants them to be kind of almost jealous of not being able to be together while he's holding both and so i feel we may go that same direction. Keep the digital but have it piece where you're longing for that that being move on another and i don't know i this is. This is one of those areas where throw up my hands and say i'm probably just old and i don't know what i'm talking about. Think it's no total. Thank you for firmly. I agree with what kerry saying But but i think no like even some of your living with it you know digital i. I think we have to think that way for a multitude of reasons. And i do think there's some folks we will reach their some ones that we wouldn't reach in our physical place now with that said if we're truly making disciples that is always going to impact their everyday physical relationships and environment. That's a good word ban on amidst this. It's that's just the nature of being a disciple of jesus. I do think there is something tied in. I think when we think digital we tend to think. Oh it can be anybody anywhere which it can geography's not an issue. But i do think churches even as they think digital i the the season to be hyper personal. Hyper local You know. I think some churches that have derived in the season had went past four role early in covert and those that. Didn't i think felt that down. The road and their people felt that. I was just with church last week. They are they last week. Their goal was to call every one of the forty five thousand households in their database personal phone call. They're onto something and they've done several you and so yes digital first digital's not going away and there are things translate physically that you can do digitalized. There's things physically. Don't always translate digitally and so you know thinking through those things but you still have to be very all very personal. His astill a relationship. Or we're talking about the larry osborne Talks about the fact that everything is an experiment and if you treat everything as an experiment you'll always win because if it worked you look brilliant. If it didn't work you said it was only experiment. Anyway and i do think that this is an opportunity that we have to try some things that maybe we've always dreamt of trying. Yes and and then just see. God does with them and and it. Just you know patrick i was gonna say back the five shifts that we recommended in we deliberately chose the word digitalization for some of the reasons that you gentlemen are fleshing out what does it look like for the gospel to be embodied in the digital world. But have you ever. And i think it's gonna continue my. My youngest is seventeen watch. Seventeen year olds interact with their friends and the digital space at the same time. Yes right if you if you remember kind of going into a restaurant. You'll see four or five teenagers sitting around. They're sharing as much digitally as they are with one another and it gets back to know what you said. I think that's a generational thing as well That we've got to pay attention to and with the world trending younger and digital here to stay. The the notion is digitalization. As kind of gosh what would be a world view of philosophy. Or how does the church engage there because that would be. My fear is the church needs to stay relevant and effective by going to where the people are and i wrestle with those same things that you said by the gospel digitally like all those things. But i'm hoping. I know that we'll figure that out as we go and not just to affirm something you said earlier about being willing to pass leadership on to younger leaders is there is a difference if you're a digital native and and you know we have to be. That's part of passing the time being uncomfortable with with the direction they want to take trusting that and then and then you know understanding what are the fundamentals of why we believe what we believe you know. What is that sound. You know sort of just this notion that we you know feeling that we have that gives us warm fuzzies or or is it a fundamental thing in ads. Yeah just kind of a farming. What you said there. I wanna come back to at Some different threats here in which we had longer than an hour here One of the things that we mentioned earlier is collaboration. And as i think about you know our level five framework in level one interested in declined to plateaued three. The growing churches four being reproducing churches and five on multiplying churches and rooks. Maybe if you could put a link to multipliers leading beyond addition. it's a free download. If you're not familiar with that language. But i i. I have this kind of assumption that they're going to be level. Five areas level five cities. There's going to be an ecosystem that lends itself to level five but that that's predicated on significant collaboration know more. Something goes beyond cooperation and coordination but actually true collaboration. What do you guys see is. Are you seeing that happen in places. Now what do you think are the are the elements of churches in denominations and networks coming together to reach a city for christ. I'll jump in Something near and dear to my heart. And i work at new thing or in fact. We're we're finishing the final touches on on on online cohort another one while how white called collaboration for churches in my opinion and is just is just knees. Speaking of a anecdotal is. Collaboration has been optional for many churches and what. I'd like to suggest it is no longer option and we have got to become v. The best collaboration not just because it will be effective for ministry. But i think it's a commandment of jesus. I think it's an opportunity for unity in christ that we've never seen before we have been woke up if you will to the fact that we were never intended to do this on our own. We're never intended to build our little kingdoms and stakeout our claim in his kingdom And so i'm optimistic. And i would say that As as we're doing our work at new thing and i don't stay x twenty nine have that collaborative experience Was well. I am seeing more and more leaders respond to that than ever before medic sites and and i would i would patrick. I agree hundred percent. And i would say to anyone listening. Resist the temptation to just kind of isolate yourself right now. You know when you're discouraged or even when you're challenge and you're trying to figure it out it's easy to kind of put your head down and just try to figure it out for your thing. Whatever that is like resist. That that's one of the things. I've been encouraged the just in our rural churches we've been working with our planters to our Learning communities churches have been collaborating just to learn man. How are you navigating right now. What are you learning best practices. How are we thinking about multiplication right. Now what does that look like. And that's leading to other levels of collaboration patrick because then as we talk about multiplication. Yeah you get churches in a city and a region go on wolf. You're gonna do this. Then what if we did this. And what could we do some of these things together. Can we share leadership. Committee share resources Yeah we're we're gonna reach far more people and and bring the capital k. Kingdom to earth a lot quicker together than we ever will be apart. Yup patrick in your in your neck of the woods chicago partnership has been a really great example of that. So derek puckett of who's next twenty nine a. Guy is the president of that network and the the the partnership across church network denominational tribal lines in chicago. Partnership is one of the best. I've seen in the world it just and when kovin hit early on in cova these they're all about you know planting churches chicago. What happened is they saw a need for. Just the tangible get groceries to people so they don't have to get on the bus and the train and get covert and so. They went and raised money to get people groceries so they wouldn't get covert on the train and for like extra y. Nine worth single issue network were about to purchase. But what happens is sometimes when you're so single issue on something that can miss an opportunity and i just loved that the partnership between networks and churches and leaders created that and so now there's nothing is blowing up and i am just. I advocate all of a god is doing in. Chicago is an example. That collaboration there like primo says. What are the fundamentals of collaboration. If you've got a city where that's not happening but you've got some hastert saying we. We we really were beginning to see the need to collaborate or are there are some things that you see where you look at where collaborations happening. Well is it in the mindset of the leader is are there characteristics city what. What are some things that you would point to that that that are necessary for that kind of collaboration. I wanna say something first at the get go and that is we have to know each other and leg each other at least a little bit and i think what happens is churches tend to see each other's competition which they shouldn't we all know that we all say it's not true but then it's true and i remember a friend of mine saying years i i still this. I always think i did it. But i know i still have from somebody to try to find one thing. You like about every church and pastor in town so that anyone comes to complain about that church pastor to you. You can say that one thing. So you've got the catalog in your head. And i don't think we can collaborate until we know each other because it's real you you're in the same city together trying to reach the same people for christ. You're not in competition. So you have to know you have to like each other a little bit And then from there the rest almost at a flows those relationships but it has to start there. The senior leaders trust It's an essential ingredient now. And i'm sure nolan patrick. You've seen this it. We think about city collaboration. A lotta times. It starts too big too fast. It's like hey let's just pull together. We're going to go and it just you know six months later. Remember when we were talking about the thing what was that. It's gotta start small because trust this such a huge piece of that. It's who cannot start this. Would that trost. And i