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I-5 Series Game 5 Postgame Show

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10:47 min | 5 months ago

I-5 Series Game 5 Postgame Show

"Hello everybody it's time for the post game show on Henry Schulman soon to be joined by Bruce Jenkins whose northern California team was three innings. Away from a celebration in the interstate. Five world series before blowing a four run lead in in route to a nine seven loss in southern California game five at Petco Park. So cows insured the series would return north when mark. Mcgwire hit a two run. Walk off homer against Dave Righetti. The kappa magnificent comeback from down seven three in the seventh inning. The nor cow still lead the best of seven series three games to two with game six scheduled for the Oakland Coliseum not the Oko Coliseum not the network associates coliseum not ab- any Bingo House of craps and Roulette Coliseum the Oakland Coliseum. Maguire's been on fire. Just as Barry Bonds homered four times in Games wanted to to help Northern California. Take A to nothing lead in the series. Maguire is it or homers in games four and five including two in game five. Why are had a two run triple so he had five. Rb is on the day. This has been a series of long balls and game fibers no different Jackie. Robinson and Maguire each homered in the first Operandi Johnson. Who has been torched in this golden great series? Joe Cronin homered off Walter Johnson for the no CAL's so bruce champagne was on ice nor cows leading seven three in the seventh inning. It wasn't to be what happened. I tried to tell him to to stash the bubbly you know. Don't get too cocky. Remember the the eighty six red sox at Shea but no Could started ominously when Jackie Robinson leaves off with a homer. You figure things might be different. You know we're in southern California. Maguire hits a frigging another homer and we did get up seven to three but this is a game where after feeling I was invincible. With my pitching moves. I made one. That didn't quite work out so well. Well Not a theme in this series Bruce. It does I I know what happened to me. Yeah are we by the way. We're talking about Ruth Lico in the clubhouse or was it just moms or something like really cheap like that. It was a. They were hundred dollar each bottles. I can't remember I said I said. Let's let's go for the best we were funded quite well for this thing so I think it was from frog. I usually get the ten one hundred dollars champion story so I mean the last thing you guys wanted to do after to bring the series north. I mean you do have to home games left Game Six In game seven so game. Six and open game seven at Oracle Park if necessary And I did that. Is that a momentum shift. I mean you win game five to bring it back and even with the advantage. I mean does it put a little theory newest and Ruin California manager. Well a little bit just when I look at their lineup. I don't I've never believed in momentum in baseball at all not even close. I mean somebody once said it's today starting pitchers your momentum. You know you. You've won six in a row but now you're going up against Colfax or something like that But I was just worried in general when I look at that line. Look at Jackie Robinson Ted Williams George Brett Duke. Snider the guys. He's got coming off the bench. I just figured you know some at some point wherever we are. It's GonNa Change while things did start off well for your northern California team and the score was four two in the third inning when Frank Robinson and the pride of mcclements high in Oakland stepped to the plate against Red Saberhagen with a man aboard and he gave the team a joke. That sent a few nor cal. Routers at ballpark into absolute delirium thinking that this series was there's John Miller has the call. Now Bret Saberhagen and relief of Water Johnson to face Frank Robinson with Amanda Board here in the first half of the third inning and the pitch on the way and Robinson swings drives one deep down the left the way back. They're still going and either. The second balcony of the western Metal Supply Company building. Wow what a shot. A two run homer and nor cal has eight six to to lead now trying to clinch this series today in San Diego six to nor cow. I mean you you're leading now We're we're talking about six to lead But I mean there's been so much offense in this series. I imagined you didn't feel all that secure at that point. Oh not at all. I want to be up by about fourteen. I was up eleven and nothing in game one and felt pretty good. So okay I'll so even you could manage An eleven nothing lead into twenty six to fourteen loss and not not that day. Anyway Way I'm still capable of doing it though. Well it did turn as we. We've all known. We've we've pre discussed this. Data was not going to be a great day overall northern California and and it started to turn into the seven Randy Johnson was still on the mound with a seven to three lead win. George Brett get a double and you still have faith in the big unit. Decided to keep him in the game to face Maguire and it didn't work out all that wealth rousson the nor cows. And here's John Miller with that. Call a run his in here in the last of the seven four southern California to make it seven four two men on and mark. Maguire is up as possible. Tying run and Randy Johnson is being left in there to face. Him Big pitches here for the big unit. He's ready to renters get their leads and the pitch and Maguire's Wayne Hits a line drive down the right field line and that is a bigger ball. It's headed toward the jury. Box in the right field corner and liquorice as off the angled wall and OUT TOWARDS CENTER FIELD. The right field has got to go chase it to runs scorn easily. Here's big back lumbering around second heading for third and he is in there with a stand up triple a two run triple from aguire that makes it a one run games seven to six nor out but three runs in and the possible tying run at third with Christian Yelich coming up well so now. It's now it's seven to six in your decision to keep Randy Johnson in the game at some of the reporters. Today say would you? Could you talk about that? Yeah what do you WanNa know? Answer by Clayton Kershaw. Their onetime asked me a question. Aleki why did you stick with Randy? Johnson I left them in two longest plain and simple. Sometimes that happens. There's something about going out there and looking at a guy like Randy Johnson. He's furious he can barely even look at it. He just he just wants to kill somebody and an Maguire's coming up the right hand hitter. Red Hot everything said take him out. What did I do I showed him and he ripped a triple opposite field triple and only then did I go to Righetti. Yeah yeah well Yet it would. Actually the highlight The southern California's actually tied the game. Seven two seven win Christian Yelich greeted Righetti with tying single in an inning and said it was still seven seven going into the ninth inning and you showed faith in Righetti them. You are a player's manager. I mean nobody can argue that. You're not Petco was rocking era. This point with that with one out he walked Ted Williams then. He had the bad fortune to look on deck and see that big allred had mark. Maguire just waiting to get to the plate. He stepped into the box. He already had three already is in hand and Miller the exciting conclusion to game. Five last of the ninth inning and here is Mark Maguire. What a series. He has had an what a night he's had tried to keep so count alive. He had a home run of the first. He had that two run. Triple fueling the comeback in the seventy and then scored the tying run after the triple. And here he is with Matt aboard facing Dave Righetti. Seventy seven last of the night. And here's the Pitch Maguire swings and he hits on long. Hi deep to left field. Were back there. This ball is on its way and high into the second deck right the NATO scoreboard and incredible home. Run by Mark Maguire. Who End this game? He ends up with a five. Rbi night and southern California stays alive nine seven winners and trailing in the series three games. The two headed back to Maguire old stomping grounds in Oakland game. Six tomorrow and that was that a nine seven victory for the so cows nor cal still have a three two lead in the series and you made an interesting call for game six which will be at the Coliseum in Oakland You're holding game two winner. Tom seaver in your back pocket and going with lefty Gomez now. This doesn't seem like you had a bad choice. Either way seaver pitched a three hitter for the game to win. And Lefty Gomez. He threw six shutout innings in relief in for the nor cows in the game. Three loss. Jim Palmer is GonNa go for southern California Any reason why as great a game Don seaver through in game two that you don't just Kinda WanNa go for the kill here. Well I felt like I owed it to lefty Gomez in a way but moreover I figure if if things really get scary and we're in game seven Seeber's that guy I want. He pitched a great game as well. I just You know I. I never saw Gomez pitch as old as I am. I saw an awful lot of Sieber and I just thought bottom line I want. Sieber game seven. That's all there is to it. It's a bit of rest for him But that's that was a call that I made and like like I said I mean you could not have gone wrong there to the great great pitchers of all time to pitchers who have prospered in the postseason. Well We. We didn't necessarily think that the golden great series was going to even get to six game once the nor Kaos took a three one lead. We'll see what happens in Oakland Bruce. Look forward to talking to you after. That sounds good. We'll talk then. Thank you for listening. Each sure to subscribe to the giants splash for as plus podcasts. So you can hear future recaps golden greats world series.

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I-5 Series Game 5 Postgame Show

Giants Splash

10:47 min | 5 months ago

I-5 Series Game 5 Postgame Show

"Hello everybody it's time for the post game show on Henry Schulman soon to be joined by Bruce Jenkins whose northern California team was three innings. Away from a celebration in the interstate. Five world series before blowing a four run lead in in route to a nine seven loss in southern California game five at Petco Park. So cows insured the series would return north when mark. Mcgwire hit a two run. Walk off homer against Dave Righetti. The kappa magnificent comeback from down seven three in the seventh inning. The nor cow still lead the best of seven series three games to two with game six scheduled for the Oakland Coliseum not the Oakland Coliseum not the network associates coliseum not ab- any Bingo House of craps and Roulette Coliseum the Oakland Coliseum. Maguire's been on fire. Just as Barry Bonds homered four times in Games wanted to to help Northern California. Take A to nothing lead in the series. Aguire is it or homers in games four and five including two in game five. Why are at a two run triple so he had five. Rb is on the day. This has been a series of long balls and game fibers. No Jackie Robinson and Maguire. Each homered in the first Operandi Johnson. Who has been torched in this golden great series? Joe Cronin homered off Walter. Johnson for the know CAL's so Bruce. Champagne was on ice nor cows leading seven three in the seventh inning. It wasn't to be what happened. I tried to tell him to to stash the bubbly you know. Don't get too cocky. Remember the the eighty six red sox at Shea but no Started ominously when Jackie Robinson leaves off with a homer. You figure things might be different. You know we're in southern California. Maguire hits a frigging another homer and we did get up seven to three but this is a game where after feeling I was invincible. With my pitching moves. I made one. That didn't quite work out so well. Well Not a theme in this series Bruce. It does I I know what happened to me. Yeah are we by the way. We're talking about The booth Lico in the clubhouse or was it just moms or something like really cheap like that it was a. They were hundred dollar each bottles. I can't remember I said I said. Let's let's go for the best we were funded quite well for this thing so I think it was from frog. I usually get the ten one hundred dollars champion story so I mean the last thing you guys wanted to do after to bring the series north. I mean you do have to home games left Game Six In game seven so game. Six and open game seven at Oracle Hark if necessary And I did that. Is that a momentum shift. I mean you win game five to bring it back and and even with the advantage I mean does it put a little theory newest and Ruin California manager. Well a little bit just when I look at their lineup. I don't I've never believed in momentum in baseball at all not even close. I mean somebody once said it's today starting pitchers your momentum. You know you. You've won six in a row but now you're going up against Colfax or something like that But I was just worried in general when I look at that lineup. Look at Jackie Robinson Ted Williams George Brett Duke. Snider the guys. He's got coming off the bench. I just figured you know some at some point wherever we are. It's GonNa Change while things did start off well for your northern California team and the score was four two in the third inning when Frank Robinson and the pride of mcclements in Oakland stepped to the plate against Red Saberhagen with a man aboard and he gave the team a joke. That sent a few nor cal. Routers at ballpark into absolute delirium thinking that this series was there's John Miller has the call. Now Bret Saberhagen and relief of Water Johnson to face Frank Robinson with Amanda Board here in the first half of the third inning and the pitch on the way and Robinson swings drives one deep down the left the way back. They're still going and either. The second balcony of the western Metal Supply Company building. Wow what a shot. A two run homer and nor cal has eight six to to lead now trying to clinch this series today in San Diego six to nor cow. I mean you you're leading now We're we're talking about six to lead But I mean there's been so much offense in this series. I imagined you didn't feel all that secure at that point. Oh not at all. I want to be up by about fourteen. I was up eleven and nothing in game one and felt pretty good. So okay I'll so even you could manage An eleven nothing lead into twenty six to fourteen loss and not not that day. Any way I'm still capable of doing it though. Well it did turn as we. We've all known. We've we've pre discussed this. Data was not going to be a great day overall northern California and and it started to turn into the seven Benning Randy Johnson was still on the mound with a seven to three lead win. George Brett get a double and you still have faith in the big unit. Decided to keep him in the game to face Maguire and it didn't work out all that wealth rousson the nor cows. And here's John Miller with that. Call a run his in here in the last of the seven four southern California to make it seven four two men on and mark. Maguire is up as possible. Tying run and Randy Johnson is being left in there to face. Him Big pitches here for the big unit. He's ready to renters get their leads and the pitch and Maguire's Wayne Hits a line drive down the right field line and that is a bigger ball. It's headed toward the jury. Box in the right field corner and liquorice as off the angled wall and OUT TOWARDS CENTER FIELD. The right field has got to go chase it to runs scorn easily. Here's big back lumbering around second heading for third and he is in there with a stand up triple a two run triple from aguire that makes it a one run games seven to six nor out but three runs in and the possible tying run at third with Christian Yelich coming up well so now. It's now it's seven to six in Your decision to keep Randy Johnson in the game at some of the reporters. Today say would you? Could you talk about that? Yeah what do you WanNa know? Answer by Clayton Kershaw. Their onetime asked me a question. Aleki why did you stick with Randy? Johnson I left them in two longest plain and simple. Sometimes that happens. There's something about going out there and looking at a guy like Randy Johnson. He's furious he can barely even look at it. He just he just wants to kill somebody and an Maguire's coming up the right hand hitter. Red Hot everything said take him out. What did I do I showed him and he ripped a triple opposite field triple and only then did I go to Righetti. Yeah yeah well Yet it the actually rundown highlight The southern California's actually tied the game. Seven two seven win Christian Yelich greeted Righetti with tying single in an inning. And like you said it was still seven seven going into the ninth inning and you showed faith in Righetti them. You are a player's manager. I mean nobody can argue that. You're not Petco was rocking era. This point with that with one out he walked Ted Williams then. He had the bad fortune to look on deck and see that big allred had mark. Maguire just waiting to get to the plate. He stepped into the box. He already had three already is in hand and Miller the exciting conclusion to game. Five last of the ninth inning and here is Mark Maguire. What a series. He has had an what a night he's had tried to keep so count alive. He had a home run of the first. He had that two run. Triple fueling the comeback in the seventy and then scored the tying run after the triple. And here he is with Matt aboard facing Dave Righetti. Seventy seven last of the night. And here's the Pitch Maguire swings and he hits on long hi deep to left field. Were back there. This ball is on its way and high into the second deck right the NATO scoreboard and incredible home. Run by Mark Maguire. Who End this game? He ends up with a five. Rbi night and southern California stays alive nine seven winners and trailing in the series three games. The two headed back to Maguire old stomping grounds in Oakland game. Six tomorrow and that was a nine seven for the so cows nor cal still have a three two lead in the series and you made an interesting call for game six which will be at the Coliseum in Oakland You're holding game two winner. Tom seaver in your back pocket and going with lefty Gomez now. This doesn't seem like you had a bad choice. Either way seaver pitched a three hitter for the game to win. And Lefty Gomez. He threw six shutout innings in relief in for the nor cows in the game. Three loss. Jim Palmer is GonNa go for southern California Any reason why as great a game as Tom seaver through in game two that you don't just Kinda WanNa go for the kill here. Well I felt like I owed it to lefty Gomez in a way but moreover I figure if if things really get scary and we're in game seven seeber's that guy. I want pitched a great game as well. I just You know I. I never saw Gomez pitch as old as I am. I saw an awful lot of Sieber and I just thought bottom line I want. Sieber game seven. That's all there is to it. It's a bit of rest for him But that's that was a call that I made and like like I said I mean you could not have gone wrong there to the great great pitchers of all time to pitchers who have prospered in the postseason. Well We. We didn't necessarily think that the golden great series was going to even get to six game once the nor Kaos took a three one lead. We'll see what happens in Oakland Bruce. Look forward to talking to you after. That sounds good. Handle talk then. Thank you for listening. Each sure to subscribe to the giants splash for as plus podcasts. So you can hear future recaps from this golden greats world series.

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More Fire: Jameson Friday (and the Best of CCK featuring Smitty, Ellie, Marty Mush, Snapchat Steve and Daniela)

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2:54:19 hr | 1 year ago

More Fire: Jameson Friday (and the Best of CCK featuring Smitty, Ellie, Marty Mush, Snapchat Steve and Daniela)

"Week forty-three CK's brought to you by Thursday boots. I made the Thursday boot I made the barstool boot one I made the barstool boot to they've got an entire array of boots all sorts of different styles materials qualities cuts, and they are the easiest boots to get delivered right to your door. They get delivered immediately. I don't know how they do it. I really don't know when I was making the booth and they're like, yeah. We'll have them to you only twenty four hours and they fucking did. They I mean, people would order them twenty four hours later in your hands on your feet Thursday, boots quality that gets the livered to you absolutely immediately. We're done for the season. But. Still good. Yeah, we're done for the season. But I'm sure next year. We'll be putting out a couple more pairs of the barstool boots designed by me and vital Burke, casual whatever they'll pick deal boots regular boots of one forty nine with free shipping and free returns, and they union so get him in this winter he can still wear them. I mean winter lasts until like, I don't know like may now. So might as well get yourself a pair now go to Thursday, boots dot com t h you I mean, you know, how to spell Thursday. They want me to spell it out. It's Thursday and then boots dot com. Use the code free ship to day with the number two free ship to day and have your pair on your doorstep today. There's Ablett's go get him. It is Glancy the rockets the rockets back, but you haven't been back for one of these segments. I know a week or two right? I missed the last one in Arizona gonna miss the next one. No, I'm not going to know. I will miss the next one. I'm going to Florida. Yeah. So it's your time shy. You that new hair that new beard? I don't know how I don't like. I don't know. I still don't think I found the look yet with the hair. I think it's more. Yeah. It's less about the product more about the length. Like, I'm I'm still waiting for a length that I'm happy with. Well. Yeah. You gotta keep going. Yeah. No. I'm gonna power through. I mean, there's nothing. I I basically about every day. The power through like, I like your hair's fine, if I want if you want to go to the next level, you gotta go through like an awkward phase. But right now in good to go. And this is everybody that's trying to grow girls. And guys you hit an awkward phase where it's just like shit. I can't do a whole bunch of that. But I don't wanna go back to being super short. But I want it to be long gone past the awkward phaser any fight. Yeah. It's it's just going to keep growing, and it's going to be easier to push back. Yeah. Like right here. I'm touching your hair right now. Right here needs to just be a little bit longer. Jesus drunk. Are you know? That's the problem tired. It's the girls say when they're drunk, and they don't want to admit. You're drunk three forty three on a Friday Casey's hung over. No, definitely not Oliver. I didn't drink at all. I last night. I had injury. What about I had to wait? You can't say I didn't drink last night. But you've been drinking today. No one cares about last night. He said hung over. So I thought he hung over from this morning. Now, you're hung over. No. I'll be completely honest because we're in the trustee here. I took his next this morning one. K we did a lot of drink. You're fixing over here. I didn't do a lot of drain though. I had one shot. I guess I'm speaking for myself. I wish the reason we're talking about this because I wish that I would have because I had the one shot at Jameson with the firefighters they came in which was awesome delicious. And then I had one glass of wine. So now, I've hidden I'm tired. You had a one pint glass of wine. Hold on. Walk it tastes. Let me class this up a little bit for you. So I'm looking at this glass right now and the barstool logo is on it. I was pouring it to the bottom of the stars. I was born. Head right one. Crash of wine. It was eighteen ounces. But I had it was probably like five to six ounces. You don't think I don't want to be drunk right now. I would love to be drunk. I'm hitting that. You bet. There's no more wine in front of me. I'm hitting tired moment where it's like you either got like just stop or you got to plow through. And as soon as I sat on vibraphone yawn. And I was like it's over. I gotta just pile through. But there's not anymore alcohol in front of me. You don't always realize is we've we've made Friday's like wine Fridays for on the air, which means that will be intoxicated for every podcast that we do. Yes. Career guido? Well, you'll hear us Monday forever. Yeah. We try to do champagne last week. It was hot. It was really bad. But it was it was it was bad cheap. Hot champion popping bottles for Robert Kraft. Yeah, pop here. Here's a question. Do you have the kids tonight? Do you wanna go have Espresso Martinez after this probably? Route dogs out the Smith. Oh, no for a little bit. You can take the dogs for a walk at the Smith. That was the problem with the last time. We did this was that Kevin had to go take care of like family stuff. I immediately walked over to I was drunk the last. I think we all were Kevin. And I didn't even remember during the blackout. Oh, so that was just I just finished up with J K Simmons Oscar award winner. His hat said I'm not here. I'm finishing up. The interview thirty minutes in I said, what does that hat mean? It was the name of the movie. He's promoting. No. Are you fucking kidding me? I was like. But to be honest to be fair to myself. I didn't the name of the movie when I was sober. I just did do enough prep. Yeah. Well, that's that's really drunk. It had with me being unprofessional. But let's like very big. It's totally on brand for Barcelo. Because what are you came in here and use new like, oh your co stars? Are this the director for Tara Fay's that he'd be like Kay? Did he feel slighted? I should know the name. He loves I'm sure he was slighted. Should get it final. Berg took care of it. He goes, are you fucking kidding me? And J K Simmons said well for those of us who are not shit face. It's the name of our movement. Alcohol baby blame it on the alcohol. You preface the interview by saying that you were shipping? I preface we were like halfway in. And we were talking about how much of it. I was like why are you here? You are. So lumping it dude. And he said something there was some preface about like drinking or something. And I was like, yeah. I mean, I gotta be honest. I got a pretty good buzz on and then and then we kind of so I said that. And usually I lead these interviews, but I I it was drunk. And fights all these notes. And I and there was a pause, and I looked to him. And I was like no seriously. I'm pretty drunk. So if you've got any more notes like ask. Yeah. And and fights didn't say anything. So I was like, okay. And I was just like I got to speak, and I was like your hat. What his that the literally whatever's in front of my face talk about he's like, well, it's the name of the booby US, dick. God damn dick to be fair. I really on. He won't forget you though chance. Remember the asshole? No that was moving into the fucking interview that car wash of all the interviews. He's going to be doing on this movie. He probably won't remember me. He was like guy did not know the name of my movie when literally slapped him in the fucking. How is that not like the introduction though? Kevin drunk. That's why. But I don't I don't I don't do that. I don't usually be like, hey here. We are. Here's what you promoted. We I just started up like what's up, dude? And then usually I get to it. But again, I didn't know the name of the movie going. It's probably not great it snuck up on me. Okay. What are the full story today? The interview was today at all about that. So I showed up and then the firefighters showed up. Yep. And I got drunk, and then I had our show, and that it was time to do the interview at what point there, that's on your brother this? Yeah. That's that's all my production team. That's how my production team at what point do, I suppose that, you know, the movie I you know, what it is on that case it is on them. Because at some point. I mean, every fucking every fucking interview Icee before we start I say, what is the name of the thing. We're promoting what's that? They don't. And they just they don't they should have a card or something. Here you go. You should know physical piece of paper. It's. In all of the emails is in all of the calendars to calendar in front of me, while I have you them you go. Well, it has to have you reports talent has to have support. All right. Three talented people sitting over here. I just need. I don't have a calendar. If you want to give me a giant calendar while I interview people shore. I it's. It's a technological counter. It's in your phone. You're looking at your phone. That wouldn't be rude to be on my phone well of interviewing someone also right before it grave before you about this right before you tell me what the name of the movie. Yes, sir. That's her mind that you need. We could do this is what do you think an actor would respect more Kevin being on his phone and getting the movie right or Kevin not being on his phone and getting it and not even knowing one of this. I think he wants to. He wants it. Right. Yeah. Here. The movie this colloquy every. Hey, this is our guest. Here's this stuff. He's promoting since you have done zero research. That's fine. That's roll. I can't believe you're saying that as if I mean like, yes. Credentialed. Producers are supposed to roll up, and you are told, hey, you're the talent you have to do the interview. What do I need to know? I'm totally on your side on this. And by the way, and by the way, Kelly should've told you it to our talent Booker, especially once everyone knows on dry Kelly. You said no actually Kelly Kellyanne trouble in your phone. Jeff lows face. You've got to get laid. Oh, you told me I need both talks. I should shave my head. How pathetic like your Kelly Kelly. Is you still root the best at what she does? But she has no filters like anything else. It's like it's like she's like a savant. Yeah. You know? It's like, oh my God is person could throw a football sixty fucking yards. But like they can't read, you know. It's like have you strengthen your weaknesses. Yeah. Book you some fucking guests, but I have no bedside manner. Yeah. Well, she's great. But you should have been preface I'm going to put this more on your brother than her just because I'm scared her, but we're going to start pulling all it's out of context. Clips for cases, it's going to happen. It's all there. All I mean, some of them are. I mean, you're not some gems this week, especially with the John fiber. No. That wasn't me. That was Kevin today. But it's going to be about you. Yeah. It's going to say like chasing, John vital. John just came in and fucked Casey is what you said already notes I of GAC because as soon as this is not gonna play. Well, once people don't have the context. But I mean, I feel like Fridays. We now started this thing where we're drinking. It's fun from the way better than not drinking because. Because you've got. Go on Monday. And be like, oh, I will remember all of this. I'm I'm okay. This time. I think two Fridays ago I was drunk because we drank three bottles of wine on air. Well, here's the thing is so we have the Snapchat channel downstairs, and we do that Monday through Thursday. We don't do on Friday because they only have the girls do and on weekends. So I was like oh great. It's friday. I can get fucking banged up like on the air and continued drinking after that. But they like, hey, you're going to be an Arizona next week. Why don't we do like a bunch of Snapchat takes? So that we can like air them next week. So I'm just I did a bunch of them that the aired all last week. And I'm just slurring my words and all, but that's because I told them, no. But that's why I felt even more obligated to do it. I didn't do it. Yeah. I was like all right. Well, if case he's not going to do it. Then they need. They those guys like I feel bad for them. They pop up here like gophers and just look around for anyone to make eye contact. These surf LIZA take a tangent. Knows what they're up here for and if you don't feel like going downstairs, and you're just knock it you're going to avoid them. You know, you're going to them fucking pop up their head like a goddamn gopher. And it was like why did they lurk? Yeah. I know. Yes. I'm coming coming. I told them. No. That last Friday they were like come on. You gotta go down there. I was like how her teeth are do you? See I am. No. I'm going to the Smith Kelly goes to be I I mean, I could tell by your eyes. I'm like, yeah. I mean, they're wrong guys fucking cause-effect one of the one of the takes that I had that Friday was like I was talking about like a fucking wail penis being Christmas tree get something. Like that. This is a great segment real well organized what the people like, bro. Yeah. This is what the people are listening and be like this podcast is going to morph. I promise you buy. Let's call it. Let's call it October. This'll be called like the it'd be like drunk history. It'll be like drinking barstool I say like it was it. I got a grand plan. My whole plan here is playing out perfectly. They're gonna just ease into it. And we're going to just be like the drunk people have are still a whole chew clock at about. I just give you guys a random topic. Like, completely you know about it. Maybe you know, a little bit about it. Maybe. Just talk to do we have to have like, oh, she had Breathalyzer. No. Well, yeah. But you have to be a certain level nothing. Crazy when I'm trying to blow like point three. Oh, just one. One drink in two hours and do a radio show at the same right beaches above the legal limit. And then you have to talk about a topic. I'm selling on that every Friday, we put in twenty bucks, whoever blows the largest gets the pot. Yeah. But then he okay. So I just gonna I'm gonna starve myself get just don't eat. That's good idea. We're gonna get skinny at drunk and right? Should we should? I'm trying to think of the best way to do that. I did I tech somebody in this office today when right before started radio, and I said that the fact that I had taken zanex to call my anxiety had already started drinking red wine and took a shot of Jameson sleep by this is my my downfall in life. I was like if I was going to write a book about myself right now, it would be zanex red wine Jameson insects the down the downfall. I'll tell you what my top full is firefighters like that they they came through. And I mean, my I got like family members and friends I kinda of for firefighters I used to drink a lot more than it did by my my very first New York City, Saint Patrick's say, I know this stuff though. Saint Patrick's Day fun here in New York is one of the biggest fucking parades in the world. I mean, I'm used to Boston. So that's the world. Didn't you better say last year when you hear about out went back? I went back for us. Oh, but you were really just being an asshole. Obviously, I know the Saint Patrick's Day usually Saint Patrick's Day for the entire month. Like he do the first weekend of oh. So I guess it's like tomorrow is hoping its Hoboken sit Patrick's Day, then you do pick. When you're Saint Patrick's Day is Boston does it correctly. What do you guys do at once the whole weekend and the Southie? Prayed heard of it you do it once we do it for fucking six weeks straights only, it's better when it's once you do Hoboken that you do Long Beach. Then you do actual Saint Patrick's Day and you want to get out of town you go to Scranton pairing Hanukkah Christmas. Yeah. True. It's really not like that. They're all they're all Lakers, Mus like Hobo could say Patrick's Day is way bigger than regular Saint Patrick's Day, and it starts right away. It's March the second that doesn't fucking count. I mean, it it does you guys have we might go to Hoboken, you sit around and wait. All right, fine. I'll go. That arm is a is a lot. It's a lot. It's very much subdued. They started to find people thousands of dollars. So they calmed down. But yeah, we do we have to we can weaken here that doesn't happen in south. They don't find people like to drink a large crowds anymore a house. I'm not going home. Okay. I it's a fucking disaster way to alter that parade route like just on regular street fuck about the because in Boston the the whole thing with the parade. Route is that you just do house parties along the route actually watching the parade. You're just in there getting drunk doing whatever you do on Saint Patrick's Day while the he just went the we went to the like end of the parade route we at Sutton placement that up this is Brian. And he he his father was a firefighter and we were at this bar. And I mean, if you're a firefighter on Saint Patrick's Day, it is efficient a barrel is oh insult to fish and barrels and women and sex. And I was like maybe. Seventeen and these guys were showing, and they were just like you a you make out and like girls were making out in front of us. And I was like this is the best. So that's I mean, I've been around forever. I come in here. These guys show up with with pizza and beer and. Well, yeah, we gotta start drinking. I don't drink like that anymore. But with these guys through its their their guest. Right. It brought a gift I'm a couple sips deep, and they're all you guys want another one this. Yes. Here we go. You got are way ahead of me already. But let's go and the Jason comes out. I mean, it's that's my achilles heel. Casey, what's or who is more attractive? Police officers firefighters just like based on the uniform, Eric like the general would say probably firefighters yet. Really? Yeah. I would agree with that badge. Bunnies. Out there about how many, but like you always see like, the shirtless, firefighter, calendars. You also see like the stripper cops though, I feel like supercar cops show up your arrested Brad with Duke. The barking at you already. Police firefighters with the whole they do like the suspenders saying the big baggy pants. There's no shirt. In fact, I was telling one of my girlfriends that we had firefighters coming in the building today talking to her last night, we went and had some drinks. And she was like, you know, my bucket list is to hook up the New York area. They know that. That's it. Matter who it's just one day walk up to the bar girl barn. They say what is on your bucket list? And when they find one that is they have sex with them. Over time on that. I mean, she really wants to do because we weren't drinking. So she was sober. Like, that's the only thing. I want to do is hook up with a firefighter. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if this this makes the cut, but you asked me if I'd shave my beard for Andrea russet, and I said now, which is which. I understand. I mean, that's a lie. Like if she says, it's a lie. It's not Jared. No shave your beard, you would funnel you. I he wouldn't because he'd be scared. She wouldn't want to hook up with him anymore. Boy with beer, and then she was like. It's almost like chopping off your own. Dick would have addictive with right? Drunk logic for you. Yeah. I proud of myself going. Well, is that what is that it what I was saying that because I went to EMT school to become a firefighter, and then the second they were like you have to shave your beard like you can't have a beard to be a firefighter. I was like I'm out and I dropped out a real. Yeah. I was like eleven no I was probably like six or seven weeks in. Yeah. Firefighters have beards ever you can't because you have to like you have to seal the mask like you can't have facial hair. Like, I guess you'd have like a mustache, right? That makes sense. But I just can't believe that you're that committed to your beer that you wouldn't even though save me city of Boston or go with your dream girl. Now, you know, I guess because whatever's under that beard is a problem now. I mean this pictures out there. I'll good anyway. Best c coming up next. What's on their again rattled off forum? We've got the firefighters we debated whether Luke Bryan his hot thin yellow made native here in appearance now chat, Stephen appearance. Smitty made an appearance why peas on jerk off sabbatical always not he never even started yet and circle back around Jared setting needs a makeover brought to you by simply safe you want to keep your house safe. You want to deter the burglars. There's a burglary. How how often do you think there's a burglary every how much period of time providence? No, probably every like, two point five seconds, eight seconds. Oh, yeah. That'd be crazy. If it was two point five. 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You're just ridiculously stupid. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back to another edition of CK's a Friday. That means we got wine. We have relaxed moods. Elliot's joined us because Kevin's not here. He is here. Casey, just walked into the room. She was eating pizza. Casey, I was actually on the phone with our CEO. So okay. So Casey is big mad today. So this'll be a good start poor glass of wine, girl, I'm going to. I'm yes, I whatever whatever it is. That's that stressing out ailing you, just pour. Let me say, listen, we'll get into all of it. Not to get any of it. We got a couple of firemen coming in a second. So as much as things may be stressful, and may be crazy. It's friday. It's Friday, and we have the engine sixty nine here. And I lean Davidson who was the widow of Michael Davidson, who is the firefighter we all raise money for coming up on a year of his death. So we're going to have his brother in law brother and one of his one of his brothers at the firehouse come on for a minute and talk. So it's one of those things where these are much more important in that aspect xactly that than the just inter workings of our right? But I did open about align. I've had a few shots Jameson. Fuck do you want you in shame drinking about noon? These guys came through brought one hundred pizzas and a bunch of beers. Yeah. And they brought a bottle of Jameson that is aged eighteen years. But yes, no, excuse me. I didn't even know that Jameson does that like that. They do the, you know, the classy ship, so. Yeah here. Yeah. Let's do that first. And then we'll talk to them for a little while. And then we can get it. Because Lord knows I hope ready to go nuclear because I am on your all your shit. So come on in Fellous takeover my mind. Takeover my mind. How you doing boys come on? We got one there one here. Casey's very mad that we James. How we doing boys? Good. The cans off gotta talk up on the mikes. So I was just explaining how we we did about I don't know a hundred pieces and a billion beers. And you guys brought a buy a bottle of Jameson. So thank you for that. Yeah. Just get just doesn't love whisky. At least we could I know people keep saying that. So, but that's you know, I feel like it's the way around we could do. So we're coming up on fortunately on a year Michael's death. So Michael Davidson was a fireman at engines sixty nine here in New York, and he died in the line of dooney duty last year and left behind a beautiful wife and four kids and all of his family members and brothers at the firehouse. So we opened up the ven here barstool and side from the Boston marathon situation. I think was the most money we've ever raised for anybody. So up over one hundred grand and. You guys came by Ross and pizza and beer. And you're like a, you know, thank you. And I think it's kind of the other way around because everybody throwing a buck here. There is the very very least we could do for any firemen. And unfortunately, anybody who has died in the line of duty. So we thank you guys. And it's one of those things that we're happy to do. We hope we never have to do it again. But when it does happen. We are all of our listeners and fans are certainly happy to do it. Yeah. Absolutely. I think the fact that you have the outlet where we could help by lean in the children. And just what everybody know about Mike. Yeah. That was fantastic. And it was I got really amazing. What you guys pulled together? I got a little bit of time with lean today. And we were talking about the kind of guy. Mike was and it's it's never like. Oh, yeah. Like, we lost the firemen or police fighter guy was. All right. He was decent. You know? It's always like the best of the best. The real gems that stuff that she was explaining the kind of guy. He was in the stuff. He did was. It's always that way. Right. There's always that kind of guy. But I guess that makes sense because those type of guys who are willing to to late all the line and run in when people are running out and all those other things so it makes sense, but she was explaining their whole story and for anybody who was like a New York. Grew up your New York met at wrath bones had a share house in Westhampton where things, you know, kinda kindled up it in the summertime, and it's like a lot of us going to been those spots and live those things in the fact that they found their their love story there is on believable. So good people around. You guys are great people. Really appreciate it guys too. And like it shows the good and peop-, unfortunately, take something like this. When you see the good in people. But I mean, the the money that you guys raised for the families. Just I we don't even have words for what you guys have gone. It's just been so great like we can't thank you guys enough. Our pleasures Eileen showed me two of her kids wrote a note card. I can't even talk about explaining what they what they like most about the money and the new house that that she bought with it. And I was like I can't do this. I lean thank you for the cards. I'm good though. I'm all set. I don't know if the Jamison of the beer, but I can't all good. So it was very cute. Very sweet and barstool will always be year for any firemen police police officers or anything like that. Again. We hope we never have to do it. But anytime I wanna tell you listeners like you guys originally raised the money, you give us the money, which was great for the family. But throughout this entire year, Kevin has called I lean on numerous occasions to see what else she needed. It wasn't just here's the money that said, and we'll never talk to you. Again. He's been just supportive throughout this entire year. And I don't doubt that he will be for the rest of our lives. No doubt. Well, always beer for it. So anything the house the fire house needs family needs. Barthel? That's what we're here for. So you keep us in the loop. And they gave us a very nice plaque very cool plaque that I think will be cold front and center in the new the new office the shirt still insurance. There's one hundred these shirts here for Michael my man pots and pans. I think he was kinda guy. So there's a hundred shirts out there. So we can grab on though. Yeah. No doubt. I'm sure I was like this. This guy says to me we thought, you know, you guys were more of like, the hipster type. So there's a lot of Smalls and mediums. He goes, I don't know. We got enough to XL's where you got your info. But the bloggers the bloggers here bars the lane the pizzas. We really didn't bring it off. China. Hide some stuff also got some guys that can't admit that there are like a larger neck cell. So they're going to try to wear the medium schmead AM to Amish meter. I did see some skinny jeans out there. All you. You know, we we won. One Paris too many. So thank you guys so much anytime you want come by, you know, again, it doesn't have to be under tragic circumstances. Grab a beer do some shots. The Jayme is in Casey you so mad if he didn't do the day says I'm so just upset that Kevin didn't come get me. Because he knows if I could take one shot on this planet for the rest of my life. It's Jameson not even just James eighteen years. You go street. I didn't even know he says he says here's Jayme sitcoms box. And I start to open it, and it's a wooden box with a metal slide only we only make it like once a year. So for you guys we brought the man went down smooth. I'm sure it did. I took a shot at Jameson with him at the Super Bowl that did not go down smooth for him. So he thinks goes down smooth. I'm gonna fall you'll be talking. You'll go straight from the bottle just regular Jameson. We're we're good. Yeah. Next time. Is. Very nice gesture, but it was somebody sent us a shot on stage of the Super Bowl, and it was just normal Jameson which I like just to take shots. It's like a Cup. Kevin like certain spas, sipping James. This is. James it's to supposedly we did shots. But it's supposed to be okay. Though as long as it's supposed to be the adult shit. You can still shoot it. That's the is it talk about Eric's mustache while. I was the first thing I was gonna say. Isn't that funny? You're in rawley fingers territory, almost I said it looks like you ties women the railroad tracks. Cartoon. Got Mets hat on Bryce Harper. Just signed last yesterday for me. It was like, you know, he was already in the division. So it's kind of keeping the status quo. I was hoping he was going to get out of there. But I'm also one of these best fans as a lot of people say as stupid as it sounds. I'd rather him on the Phillies that on the Yankees. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I heard from gonna. We're gonna sheep down to. He doesn't look right Phillies gonna fall. I mean, I wasn't shave in the bit. I've heard for so long. He's gonna look great in pinstripes. And he I I guess the Phillies pinch res- inside. Right. Yeah. So I guess it's not wrong. But I you know, I can deal with the career to forty nine hitter and shit. I mean one hundred RBI once in his life. He leapfrogged like three or four teams in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They went from two one eight to one see about that story. Looking still Philadelphia Phillies? It's still. It's not. I mean, excuse me cabinet. It's not like they're the Mets. Shit about did. But it's not like they haven't won before. They've they've been there. They've had success. They don't shoot themselves in the fall there one. I mean, they had recently in other than that, you know, but they could've they could've had more than one over that run. They should have. They didn't even win with Halliday. Like, how the fuck you have cliff Lee, ROY. Oh, yeah. And you know that he went to queen's he would be hurt by a for sure would be on the hill. He would be on the hill. Long healthy and just be a detriment to the team. Somehow, someway, I I've been saying all on the did make some nice moves. And it all really lead up to one thing. It's like, okay. You made the small moves. I wanted to make the splash because you got Machado or you got Bryce Harper one of the two maybe both be Newark franchise for once. But you're so right that it's like it doesn't fuck. Are you mental Yankees Yankee fan? I'm Murphy's gonna hit a hundred you cannot the Sox's soccer on that. Yeah. Seasonally? You couldn't hear it in his voice that smug fucking. Couldn't. I mean, you just never know. I always if anyone from New York comes up and says, hi, Mike Mets or Yankees like die. I need to know that set the tone. Yeah. Yeah. It's how I'm going to speak to you moving out. Yeah. You're not a loser. It's usually like all if they say Mets. I usually apologize that apology but Yankees, I mean like fuck you. Yeah. Go ahead. Go fuck yourself. You back there, can you pull up a Sean Avery while we got these guys years. So we were talking lean Michael were were living on a Long Island. We were talking about the islanders. Frankie was there. Last night. Islanders welcomed welcomes back to ours from the Leafs, and they call them a snake through snakes snakes on the snakes on the ice. And Frankie was was. I mean, he turns into a madman he's possessed by the devil, but Sean Avery was weighing in on the way the island fans treated JT upon his return to New York. It's coming through by the way. Let me just make the picture. He has stupider throwing snakes on the ice. The fuck are kidding? Beck. I played ten years in that fucking dump with those shitty fans didn't say a word was a great captain never got arrested didn't say fucking, boom. You lose wanna ruin his night coming back to play for you guys. What was he supposed to lie during the season? Or was he supposed to give the answer that all athletes give when they know they're not coming back to teach. You fucked receipt islander FOX you guys get out cheered near own barn by ranger fans. Every time the Rangers play the islanders in Long Island. Faulk? You sounds like an episode trailer park spotty internet. That's okay. It's not your fault. I mean, first of all he has this ridiculous. Final Burke type hat on with the plastic face. You looks like look I mean, he looked he doesn't like humid anymore. I thought he looked great. And there's the range. All I gotta be honest. I don't think that the ranger fans out your the island of fans in the barn to you. We could be real here. Valid fans they may be greasy Long Island FOX they go pretty hard at the part. You basically could go play superior ice rink and Kings Park. It's the same size as the call. It is not the garden now. But here's what he said this this is what bothers me. I mean, he said it best like, do you give the answer that every athlete gives when you know, you're gonna leave a team when you know, you're gonna leave a team fucking tell them. So they could trade you, right? Like every other superstar who has an expiring contract who doesn't want to stick around. You let that team get something for you. I guess, but it's also, you know, if he might not have known for sure, you know, if I mean, well, okay. Okay. You haven't heard back. There's still winning right? Well, that's actually. Yeah. I mean, that's maybe maybe it could be a happy ending for everybody here because the leaves a good and islanders are surging. But I would agree with that. Like, you don't know until you know, sept- what you end up. Posting pictures yourself. Eight years old wearing the pajamas saying, it's my childhood dream. But did he know that they were going to make him the pitch that? I mean, you can't negotiate with a player. That's on another team. He would have to wait for him to be a free agent fish say as dream presentation. You get blown away like oh shit. If it was me. And you know, I signed with the Mets, and it was like well, everybody knew he was a Mets fan whole life. It's kind of a fucking scumbag move. So, you know, but do you expect the Mets to make you the best offer your free agent? It's like, what is certainly. Yeah. It's like you could be we're gonna have you could be playing for the Mariners. And it's like, yeah. It'd be nice to play for the Mets. But I'm going where the best offer is. Yeah. I guess it all align with the with the Leafs. Yeah. I don't know you, you know, what ranger fans really bother me ranger fans do well because we're in the trust. At least, you know, Yankee fans, they're twenty-seven rings. I get it. Are you at twenty seven rings guy? I feel like you're not I've never once said that outlet you gotta brain brain. I'll tell you what I respect the shit out of Boston. You can't beat the crafts. Unless unless unless you're masseuse for sure. Knocked the guy. You can't lonely. His nails done background yet. A little something. What's wrong with that? Also, a couple of hundred bucks. That news broke, by the way, all the guys whether they hate the patriots love the patriots everybody in this office was unified that they were all okay with rubbing. It was like I I wanted. I heard the news when I heard it was prostitution. I'm a jets fan. I wanna see the patriots burn on Mike. This is it this is some salacious horrible shit. And I hear it's Asian massage. Parlor, mike? Well, sorry. Bobby? You gotta respect Boston a great city, and you know, they're organizations put the time and the effort and the money into those teams, and and showing now what do you think about Cashman flat out being like this is not George Steinbrenner team anymore, and we play by the luxury tax rules, and we not shit. I mean, he says that but it's like they. The off season that they add that inside. Say he's not shut if she. Taken hopper and Machado and going forward. Enjoys you're still alive. You know that? Boldly out. No, I mean, are you? I mean, a lot of there's a lot of you know, we got a lot Yankee fans here were like twenty years old. And they really they don't they don't they don't quite know what it was like with Georgia's Yankee eighties. No. I mean, they definitely don't know that. But Dave Righetti was a stud that was the best. Yeah. You know, like Winfield was big pickup only the highest paid freezer of all time. Yeah. The time. That's right. Queens was rocket and what he was a med fan. Everybody was Donald the fan. Right. You know? And, but they they don't know they don't even really know the, you know, they were very happy with Hicks deal that it was a nice deal is fine. What I was trying to explain to them is because I was busting balls for like, oh, you wish you had to deal like that you had to play like that. There was a time where you would have got Hicks and Machado, and maybe offer that fucking go get everybody. And so they're happy with, you know, Cindy, gone, right? Trade. I would do that. He he would fit right. No. But yeah, crumble, I think you think. Yeah. He doesn't like all the attention. He likes the attention. But he wouldn't like the bag the negative yet. He would want all the attention of like, hey, like blow me when I'm doing good. But if he's doing bad he's injured he wouldn't be able to take the next. He he would ask for that Gluck Gluck. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You would. But it's funny. Watch. Yeah. Listen, the ranger fans, though, the the giants, you know, they they had their that beat the patriots couple times, they're very crash the passive have if it wasn't for say played the last I respect both of those teams. But then you got the ranger fans who act like, you know, they're on that same level and you take away ninety four and it's one Cup in like sixty years the brakes just saying. Yeah. No, you it's a t they log about making the playoffs in a league. Just like the NBA where everybody everybody off leaving there. He got the king without a Cup. I'm just saying maybe maybe ranger fans. Pipe Dowell button being ranger fan. Is that there's so much suits down low where the fans aren't on the glass and the fans are up top and any other rink in the country or in Canada. You know, the fans are on the glass banging on the chair and you watch a range of game. And you get these guys in the suits. Not even watching the guy the right sitting there talking to the guy next to him on the phone drives me insane. Get that a lot of the stadia. Yeah. And you know, what I could tell us about the banks. Let's be honest. It's such a shame because maybe one day when they are good. Everybody's around and everybody. Everybody round hole. Yeah. You're out on that really have nothing for it. If you're not clear five hundred grand a year. You're not gonna see the stadium through man. Dodd bless Marlins. Man. I mean, that's I am Marlins, man. I sat behind home plate for Chris sale against the keys, and he struck out like eleven dudes easily the most fun. I never had a regular season game. My life just wants the NBA like backyard wiffle ball. When we were kids. Now, you just around yourself with the best kids that were in the neighborhood. You know, it's not like you have a team, and you have an organization, and you put it together. And you win a championship and you build it now. It's like, well, I'm going to go play with him sportsman. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. It's a joke. Larry Bird, but never have never. You'd rather lose every game than go play with magic true. That is you're well, we really appreciate you coming through a break now guys. Yeah. Let's we'll we'll get it. We'll get the Jamison. Hello cologne. Shirtless. Oh, I I can do another two hours on that big sexy on the boat bottle of champagne living the Budweiser. That's a good point sexy. Always doing we're going to do it on the show. Break. We'll come back more saying. Unfit pricing Billy's. Let's go. How much just the shocking John Hayman had it. He doesn't have a connection to Scott Boris, dude. Haymond finally finally pays off all of his ridiculous reach last six months. Well, he could go here. But he also could go here and maybe go here. What are the terms? Nothing yet just says breaking Bryce to the Phillies. That is disgusting. That's sucks. I mean, that sucks for you. But for baseball, I think it's good. He's at y passionate sports fans team that's up and coming and I hit a zillion in that park. Yeah. I mean, he's gonna put them a fucking facade out there and right field. I love it. I love it. This is where it should be. And I think it would be pretty good because we're going to be in Phillies camp next week when we go how so nice piece still. I mean, that's the thing. We have so many fucking baseball bloggers at this God damn company that it's like that's the biggest story of the off season. And it's like, we're almost done. I mean, it he's gonna blog it, obviously, it's the Phillies, and that we have t-bird whose affiliate blog do is just spit hot fire right now about it. And that you're blogging about four minutes. That's a good point. Right. Here's my audio blogs fucking go price Harper to the Phillies. John Hayman, obviously has the report because he is Scott Boris his puppet. This is not a good thing for baseball that it had to wait this long for Bryce Harper end up somewhere. It's not great. But the fact that he's going to a market with passionate baseball fans. He's going to. He's going to team that has a chance to make a run at a World Series, their rotations good. They got Reese Hoskins in the middle of that batting all my God, Reese Hoskins and Bryce Harper in that bitch Reese, and Bryce what a fucking asshole Philly that. That's worse than Conor Gillespie fucking Reese and Bryce sound like you guys should be playing lacrosse get out of baseball. But he's going to have an opt-out in here. Sounds like crap assume. Knows guys. You wanna talk about do spags treat girls wrong. Recent prices guys were fucking dropping loads and you not enforce it to plan B like Jared. I'm assuming that he's going to have an opt-out. He's gonna take a page out of Nolan our not book and have an opt-out going either into or after his age thirty season. That would be smart also make a lot. Let's go, smitty. Let's go Bryce here. Don't condolences Kevin Clancy in the rest of that and L east. Well, here's the thing. At least for me. It's actually satis quo. Like it's coming to my disease staying in my division. So I was taught I was going to get lucky and get them out. But I have to endure the rest of his career the same way already have so far mother fucker one caveat to this and hubs brought up a good point John Hayman is a copy. Yeah. Pretty much and also he just said Bryce to the Phillies he wouldn't try to hamstring this one. What he because he's the only one right now with any sort of source on this. He literally is exactly he's got Boris's mouthpiece. Like it. Of course. He has his news. I like he's probably sitting next to Scott Boris right now like, he probably broke this. With Scott Boris is fucking fist up. John hayman's out. I'll take it. I will say this. I went through the I got through the off season with Manny Machado and Bryce Harper. Not ending up on the aunties. I'll take that. Yeah. And Bryce Harper stays the NFL east. I'm already used to that. Manny Machado is just long gone into San Diego. Oblivion. I'll take it. But it's okay. Dave, right. Still good guy. Fuck you've smitty price. I'll tell you what I'll tell you something right now. Here's my hot take that. Good. Well. Yeah. Speak. That's a hot relatively, speak, whatever. Whatever entre terms are he will be overpaid. And this will be a bad contract in Italy. Two years prediction, ten years three hundred forty million something like that. I would say three years three twenty five a nice round ten years. Three twenty five a nice round thirty two and a half. Make him the highest aby anything north of thirty two and a half. Okay. So maybe three thirty over ten then. Okay. I think either just gonna get one just enough to be the highest paid player ever is paid in the game. So three thirty over time. Yeah. I'm going three forty overdone mostly while the fuck does he deserve it. I think he I here's the thing. Will he will? He deserve it over, performance wise, maybe but probably not but Philly's well, the about all that. Also, you just have to overpay for like the top top top guys. That's why we're talking about collusion and shit. Because owners like why do we have to do that? But you're just you're gonna give up year eight and nine eight nine ten maybe even seven eight nine ten if things don't go well for, you know, one through six because you're going to get his years what twenty six through thirty fuck into of his best years, and you hope you win a goddamn title or two then and you deal with the fact, I would gladly you want to if I could have signed these guys, and you told me that the year twenty twenty five through twenty thirty are going to suck. But I get a title in there. Yeah. Yeah. Especially for a team like the Phillies. You know, the Yankees made me want to play it safe. Seemed like the Phillies wants to fuck and win and needs to win in historically loser. Franchise go all in fuck it. What do you think you could bucking anybody who says the opposite axe wrong that the fuck and he ends up in the NFL nationals didn't even stop it. The nationals were willing to let him go somewhere else in the. Vision. They offer them ten years three hundred million. I know, but if I wouldn't they were like, well, we can't let them go to the Phillies. So let's go to four hundred or wherever the fact that they were willing to let that happen. And the fact that it could have been the Mets, and they weren't even in on a fucking single convert. I should. Mets stay hot. Kevin kevin. Kevin. You're just ridiculously stupid. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back to the rocket Jared corrobos, he rejoins the program the gang is back together is CK featuring KFC Casey Smith and the rocket. Hey. He. Weeklong fantasy camp bake life type trip where you talk to every fucking major leaguer for like hours on end, literally hours Hatton, dogs shooting the shit with the games. Best brightest stars striking out Dallas. Brayden among others among many others being your crowd serving through women. Party up. Sure was. If I was the the groom to be I'd be sitting at home shaping up. Yeah. I really fucked. Well, I guess the rocket fucked my future life. I feel like some of the people in the section ten like gang would be like. Okay. Whatever. Oh, do we were at the fuck you? Wait, don't tell me that was already too. He was casual like, you see it. Yeah. I saw it. What do you mean? No, no. When we were doing the watch parties for the World Series. Like this dude kept coming up to me. Like, dude, if you wanna fuck my girlfriend. I was there for that got about that. He came here like walked back and fly shit. Yes. Offer he kept coming back like I'll be talking to people and be like, just, you know, if you wanna fuck my girlfriend is like let me know, and then he would leave and then come back and be like offers girlfriend. I mean, I know I I can't believe that in the wild. It's happening. And and the choice is the rocket. They he wanted me. Last week here. Dentist Robin on Cape radio is going to air later this week. And he said that he would go, you know, you play they play a game you go back to the hotel bar when he's on the road. And that like many times couples would approach him and be like, yo you wanna if my wife, and I said to him right to his face as Dennis. I mean, this is the most respectful way possible. You're the last person on earth. I would want to fuck. But now little thinking about it. And he still takes the cake because he's six foot eight gigantic ban. I would not want the rocket development wife. Why not because you'd never hear the end of it? From his. Side your wife. Oh, you are who you are. Right. If I was you Kevin. I wouldn't I wouldn't. I wouldn't rub that in your face, and I feel bad about it. Well, you should just not do it. Maybe. I wouldn't I wouldn't I feel bad about it. Just say, no white. If my my hypothetical wife ever asked to fuck, you maybe just say Kevin to ask me would never ask you that. But if he did if he asked me to do it, you would say, no, I'd say, yeah. But then I wanna talk about it after. No, no, no, no. Wait, wait to be fair. If the guy is asking if I'm asking. Yeah. Then it's you know, usually, it's a guy code thing. I actually wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let's back this up what slowed hours, we got a lot to get into those band at all sorts. But if a guy asks you to fuck, his wife, let's say hardly you want to just say, well, this is what they're into and I'll do whatever. But part of you, also, I think has a responsibility to say, you might think you want this year a little bit drunk, maybe a little bit kinky right now turned on when when there's that moment of clarity towards your anybody. Wait a minute Jarrett's of sex, my wife, and that's a problem. Wpro. Situation social responsibility. So hypothetical situation. Kevin is married. Right. K and Kevin's hypothetical wife Kevin fucked up like he did something bad. Stop. And the hypothetical wife is like, hey, you're get out of jail free card is let me fuck. The rocket out do that for you. Kevin out hero. Oh, you're you are aggressive, but then aggressive here. I would have got. I'll just outdo Kevin that solid. And then I would never rub it in a thousand percent would rub it in maybe not just like straight to face. Like, hey, remember that one time, but you slide things that yes, you would love Kevin. Would you not be concerned being being the rocket? You know, sexual napalm exploding five and a half minutes, sort expose five and a half minute tore in paradise. Would you be worried that hey, maybe this wouldn't just be a one and done situation? Maybe we're gonna have a problem on our hands. Because this guy's wife is going to be you know, she wants to ride the rocket again and again, and I'm an open book heaven. So if that if that became a situation head Cav, you got you got leaky faucet over there. You got. Like you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. Now, you can't. I mean, again, it's it's not it's a sticky situation better. But it's not something that I would, you know involve myself end without your knowing. I wouldn't do that. That's because you're here. Yeah. Progressive Tanada doing the show. Kevin. Kevin. Oh, all over social media last week. We thought you would have died. I thought I thought it was chance weren't gonna come back. Yeah. I thought son whipping wiffle ball. There's no sun cold the whole forty five and rainy every funding every day except for the last day there. People the locals it rains twenty times a year here you were here for one fourth of it. Yeah. That's crazy. I was went to San Diego for ten day trip. Rainfall like nine days and the city was like what's happening. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I knowed one day in the hood as the whole time is it what's going on there in the merge. Thank you. But is it a warm just not it's not one. It was a good week. I mean, we're all reaching the point of barstool this'll segue nicely into the deadspin situation. The amount of content and the quality content. You had coming out of there. This is impossible to keep up with everything we're doing. Yeah. Because it's like we got all this normal drama going on here in house normal fucking shit that it's like you almost don't even realize that we got two guys out in Arizona. Getting like exclusive interviews with people opening up for real and talking to to reporter though. No, no other journalists in the game, get guys cities. And it's like God damn how do we even disseminate all the right way? Because there's so much of it. I won't say what team it was. But there is one team. That's straight up told us, we don't associate with barstool, and we still got one of their guys. Anyway, we just like worked around really do do the interview. And he was like, yeah. So we interviewed them and they're gonna start like I wanna run that roster of who you talk to. I'll tell tell you if the air, but there was one guy who their team was like, yeah, we don't we don't work parcel. Did you interview any he's not yet? But we will. So it's not because I could see that. I'm gonna rule it'll beer. It's no hate long hair. Barstools guy's name. Mike, click Levinger. That was that was awesome. That was the beginning of of of of deadspin roasted. He tweeted last week. So I actually didn't even click on the article deadspin took some of that he said basically out of context and kind of made it sound serious also written about him before. So he likes to mix it up on on social media and shit. Right. Yeah. So they probably don't like that. Awesome. Dude, though. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. Long hair? He's does get shit. Yeah. So he had said something deadspin took it around with it. And he said you guys are so fucking clueless. That you didn't realize we were just kind of Boston balls in the locker room. And you're so close that you don't even realize that bar souls put you in a body bag. Correct. Fast forward to today. Jesus Christ week was was gone girl. Jared you're here I said. You wake up, and here's like what if the internet doesn't provide any material today, sometimes the internet drops poop growing leaders. Well today, it's Monday starting off and on the week where we talk about how we can start things about craft to get right, right? Yeah. Like how how like last week was from gun girl, Robert Kraft, Louise, and between there was so much as a cow. We're going to match that. And then the Washington Post drops this article about deadspin dot com. That was so utterly preposterous. I thought I thought I was reading like onion articles. I thought I was reading on onion headlines. I thought it was sarcasm. I thought it was a joke. I didn't know what was going on so wash the Washington Post writes this article, basically praising deadspin with the headline being at deadspin Ken, the cool kids of the sports internet become its moral authority, which is like. Article that you may be could've written in like two thousand seven maybe like back when deadspin actually had some teeth to it, and so quality writers and actually work considered like a competitor. There was a time with certain editors and certain writers that they were cool. I guess. I mean, the the the notion of like the cool kids the internet in general is kind of inherently Laming away. If you're like run around, call yourself, the cool kids, but I think we can agree. No matter what that you would not call it as when people the cool. I don't think that it's just because of like we're obviously gonna say that because we work for bar. So I think if you went out and polled people who just consume the internet consume sports on the internet. Deadspin would not registered anybody. You're talking about like well on so many levels. I think they're just kind of like a just floundering right now. But certainly on a level if you wanna talk about like stereotypically, cool meeting leggy and don't give a fog and cool. I don't think anybody is. Nobody deadspin dot com at the top of that list. So already we're off to a rocky start where it's like what is going on here. And then there was just quote after quote after quote from this article that I just couldn't even believe all the thing is it's all on ironic to they're not trying to be ironic at. All post took a huge hit in my mind was the writer. Let me find out. It is. Well, here's the thing. You can't. You can blame the Washington Post. But you can't because like old school mediums are like they're behind. You know what I mean? They're like they research. It's already been open it up because. You have to fight for it. Now. Hold on. I think I might. Somebody tweeted me and said, I'm not gonna pay to read this article. And I was like what are you talking about? And I realized that you have to pay to the Washington Post ridicules. It's. They you know, they they are catching up to two thousand eighth. You know what I mean? Yeah, they think of AJ delory, oh and mcgarry, and we'll Leach, and you know, when they're irrelevant and now the writing this article, not realizing that like, they're literally business, Ben Strauss. Never heard of the name, so our fearless editor and chief leader of the blog. Caillebotte put together the top seven most ridiculous embarrassing quotes. So the green monster. That's green. Well, she she said, quote, there's a joke that went every new editor takes over that they ruin the site. I don't wanna be the one who ruins deadspin. Well, spoiler alert Meghan Univation is it's ruined. The websites rubbed. They've got into business like three times, and they're begging for yet, again, another person to come in and swoop in and spend the money and save it. So I think the horses out of the barn being sold in there. Begging for it. You've ruined. Yeah. Number six. Again. What was funny about this article was that it's supposed to be like a feature on deadspin dot com. Yet barstools fourth dot com was mentioned probably more times than the actual site. They were they were featuring. It's been so cool. Here's all the things about barring cool Wagner. This is Laura wags everybody. Everybody knows Laura wags Esteves crush. She said she has little sympathy because in reference the Dave saying I wish that you know, that's been put out one piece of conduct not mentioning us and asked whether the goal ask. Whether there was a goal to cover bar socio quote. I want to be seen. I want them to be seen for what they are. Which is not a legitimate sports website. No kidding. There is not one person in this building would argue that we're legitimate sport site. Always like, we should drop the sports and just be bar still kind of like how Dunkin donuts wants to drop the doughnuts. That's been talked about before. Yeah. I think that ultimately just kind of for for the average person or for the average sponsor or someone who doesn't quite know the ins and outs a good thing. That'd be lumped in with like the men's sports websites of the world the more nuanced. I absolutely think we should just be barstool stolen. Just be like a comedy brand. They refer they say, yeah, sports. No, one is like I go to our soul for the fucking sports. Coverage diehards will love, you know, the individual sports blogs rear ads, covered hockey, Jerry and the basketball guys green rigs and all that Facebook. Yeah. Well, the baseball could be a little bit better. Whatever. Again, it's always done with the barstool twists in the bar comedy and all that shit. But to be out here be like, they're not real journalists. Like, no fucking kidding sit. Nobody thinks that we are. It's crazy that we just they take these things and he's like negative angles about us and run with it. And like nobody over here would argue it sometimes I came from. And I mean, Jared obviously to a certain degree to like coming from the media in Boston. It's like, I know what legitimate sports either I did not jump off of network television to come to a legitimate sports. I came to barstool his it is bar side. I just don't understand what I said when I read this. And I know you're gonna get to more of like I thought and the very small amount in my brain like, maybe deadspin is smart enough to where they know if they troll barstool, they will get the barstool clicks. Like, maybe they're taking the skip Bayless vets. Right. You know, everyone right now Bill. Well, you're talking about it on radio talking about it. 'cause it's fucking ridiculous was going to provide a lot of laughs. And it's going to be very fun to point out how stupid and hypocritical. If this like this ship that's sinking over Desmond can grab a couple a couple of days. Come more days of life, extra fine, whatever. But that's the thing is that I I realized after reading this, and I should have known better anyways. But again, it was just always like a little thought in my head that maybe they were doing this on purpose after reading this article. They're just the dumbest people on the plane. Right. They really are. They they have zero self-awareness number five of the list. That's been his covered barstools travails exhaustively, but Portnoy offers no contrition and considers the criticism hypocratical quote. Can you write one thing that says disregard everything that built me up and made me famous and say, none of accounts he asked and now I can criticize other people for making the same jokes because you look at every fucking editor every writer from deadspin, and they've all made rape jokes, and sexist jokes and racist jokes, and they turn around and they say, well, I was a shame. There's a long time a long time ago. I don't do that anymore. And like, here's the fucking. Deal. We don't really either like like everyone here. The like the landscape of humor has changed. The people here have changed. Like, I always speak for myself. But like the amount of shit that's changed in my life from ten years ago. Till now everything I have written about marriage and kids and fatherhood and all that kind of shit all change. There are things that I wrote that I thought were funny that I don't think are funny anymore. There are things that I thought were true that I know are not true anymore. And so Dave has done it to the amount of the amount of things. Dave no longer says. Because either a he doesn't find it as funny anymore or be he knows that it's offensive or whatever it is. As crazy, but he's grown. He's matured. But the difference is he's not going to just apologize and like trash his old self for what he did at the time to be funny. I don't get. Why that? Yeah. Like, you can you can still look back at some of those jokes, borstal blogs and be like, oh damn that was wild without being like, I can't believe that. I was that type of person and seek counseling. It was a different time. Humor is different. You were different. And at the time it played a lot of people laughed now. You don't do the same things, but you don't have to turn around. And and like pretend this entire part of your life doesn't exist anymore 'cause things change by the way. That's the way. Everybody's actual life is too. Like if you look back in ten years ago, like the stuff that I was doing my personal life. I would not stand by some of it now. But that's but I'm not an apologize. Right. Like, you would look back on your. Let's say you went through you saying probably me. Holid- your fuck in party sex drugs, rock and roll you fucking up at school. You're fucking up at work. You're you're with people you shouldn't be doing shouldn't be and you grow up, and you've matured, but you don't look back. I mean, maybe some people do, but I look back on those moments, and I'm like damn I was wild. It was a good time. I can't do that anymore. I made some stupid mistakes. But hey, that's life. I don't look back being like, oh my God. I can't believe I person, and I need to disavow anything and everything Kevin did from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand. And you know what? I mean, it's like cancel those years that I feel like there are some things that I've done on like damn I wish I wouldn't have done that. But I'm not gonna make an apology and be like, all right. Hey, remember, everybody that was affected by me that one night. And I was like whatever it is. It's like what's crazy is they have things that they should apologize xactly fucking the video of the girl big sexual assault it on the bathroom floor where they said, please take this down. And it's been was like, Nope. Fuck you. It's the internet. We we put whatever you want the stolen sex tape of Haugen secretly being filmed or whatever. Being put on the internet that took them down. Those are actually things you should apologize for those things you should be ashamed of and at the time when they were offered the chance to do just that they didn't. So again hypocrisy coming out your fucking ass number four other west. Oh, I guess they actually they do that did say the site has a disgusting past that can never be atoned for that was a current deadspin staffer. But then in the same breath number three, they said debts been caters to the smartest people. It's the crisis the people with the best sense of humor giving you the smartest take have you ever met someone I'm genuinely asking have you ever met someone that like was talking about something that deadspin head written or something that they were doing not many years? I'll give them credit couplings. How about say that one was? Brett farve, dick pics. Those were like that's been out. All right. So those are stories that they've broken or whatever, right. Right. Yeah. Like a fan of deadspin me. Like y'all you see deadspin yesterday ever the last time that someone suggested to me that you should check out deadspin or you should write like deadspin was two thousand and nine or ten when I was I was like trying to start like this new website and the guy that had built like this this site and wanted me to write for it was like checkout deadspin in Licey hall like they right? And that's how we want you to write like that not style that was over a decade ago. I mean, and the take two thousand twelve and that's like that that really is the last thing that I can think of that was like oh something that was like investigation. I can pick out things that Bill Simmons wrote on page two that I remember like he coined certain phrases, and the Ewing theory and the Tyson's own the way used to cover the challenge, and I can pick out quotes from Portnoy that like made me while right for barstool only. I can do that ever. That's been. I can't even named people. Like the editors that we all know. Right. That quote seems to me it's like they're trying to rationalize the fact that there just aren't any like smart funny people like we cater to the sophisticated log on the internet. Imagine. What was the last time? You heard an actual funny person. Be like I've got the sense of humor. I am just the funniest person in the people who like me are the fucking smartest day like. Exactly like that. And that, and that's all that's that's actually very funny about deadspin is like this article in the way, they're talking in the way, they're acting is everything eight being like, I I mean. Yeah. And yes, when Dave doesn't I fucking roll my eyes got off. But he doesn't actually. But I actually never know what Dave I can never tell where the line blurs between Portnoy and El presidente. It's like a Walter white Heisenberg thing, I think he's gone full president. But I mean, you know, Keith wrote just very simple bends over farts in a jar offset. That's all you're doing your smell your own farts deadspin now we get to the day GRA here the best. I mean, this this quote have you read this yet Jared? This looking I'm I'm reading along megi nine let Kevin let Kevin break to you this. It's it's so short and sweet begging Greenwell is talking about. She's the green monster still about where she lives in Williamsburg as she a desperate writer. She's. Dave went after when he was like he was like if I hadn't progressed I would say that you're is ugly as your dog. Oh, you do. Cheese explaining to this Washington Post interviewer that she lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn and she clarified. She she puts out the disclaimer though, but it's the part where a lot of Puerto Rican families live. I'm sorry. What why is that of note? I have no fucking clue like trying to see him like she's diverse black. Yeah. We can't be racist. Whatever the rationale is like, I don't know. Whether you think that means you're more credible. Whether you think that makes your website funnier. Whether you think that you're like edgier because you're like a white girl who lives in an ethnic neighborhood, or something whatever your logic is there. It's actually genuinely problematic to be perfectly. Yeah. Bent out of shape about it. 'cause I'm not like the deadspin types and shit. But if someone else was playing the whole like will, I live in in Brooklyn. But it's not the hipster white Brooklyn. It's the Puerto Rican Brooklyn. So like if you did this. I would have is thick which is very funny, by the way too. 'cause I was like wasn't if live near Puerto Ricans is what makes you the cool kids of the internet. I'm the fucking prompting. Okay. You go to city island on a Sunday do a little Sunday brunch. Maybe mother's day you'll Sunday brunch. And city island in the summer, and it's like all of Puerto Rico showed. Yeah. We we want to do that. I mean, then barstool has all the credibility in the world. I don't know what that that was kind of a very quick they brushed over it. So I don't know if she went on to expand about why that matters. But obviously, it's one of the more ridiculous things I've ever fucking hurt. I can't think of why the word is. Live in the neighborhood with the Puerto Rican. Say whatever the, but changes the dynamic entirely because if she's yes, I live in this area, the part where the Puerto Rican families lives like all right? I know that I know that general vicinity I live in this area. But it's where the Puerto Ricans live like, I'm not a cool, white hipster. Like don't look at me that way like I'm with the Puerto Rican. Whether we honestly if it's if it's a commentary on in that then that's just like kinda racist. That's the way I don't know. The way she meant it. But that's the way I read whether it's like, you think that, you know, you're slumming it or you think you're funny or cool or credible. Or I don't know what. But it seemed like a ridiculous thing to put in there. I would you ever play that. I wish I could open up the actual article. Because this is the I can can is there like anything before or after that that gives a little more context onto why would matter either way, I'm kinda concerned that I can open this. I there's no way I bought this. So whatever you can open. Okay. So the quote before it says they want to be some kind of moral. But before that because this this this is I'm just saying if there's any color in general because the now the Duda wrote the article says that she sometimes embodies the like what she's saying here. So it the right before it starts talking about how barstool has never changed. And they talk about the riana fat thing. They talk about Sam ponder. Then it talks about how clay Travis has the Deeb thing. And then all of a sudden the next paragraph is she drops the Puerto Rican families like that. That's the thing is like it's talking about barstool talking about outkick the coverage. And then it says, well, she pushes back at the critique of being self serious because she lives in Brooklyn's Williamsburg, Puerto Rican neighborhood, basically, I mean, I I don't the one overreacting here. But I think this is like absolutely preposterous assay interview. Yeah. Don't worry. I live with Puerto Rican. Yeah. All you. I would board of. If that like, God, take that was part of the interview. I'd be Faulk. I'll have to say like, I live in Brooklyn. But not the hipster part. You don't even need to say any of this. None of this really doesn't apply in any way. If someone was like, I don't know all you associated with white people in your no I actually live around wreath. Even gimme some reason to be this up. I there is no literally no reason. And it just screams to me like. This is cool the court. Yes, the cornyist cliche type white person. Who's like, no, don't worry. I'm not like other white people 'cause I live around ethnic feed the worst like what I like to believe that there was some sort of context around it when she was talking about it. Because anytime we'd be hopefully, but even if there was nothing would make sense literally, there's nothing even if she talked about that for five minutes. Why would that be a part of the story super barreling makes no sense? That was me. I'd be very very embarrassed. And they they had to have no soon as she said it I feel like she had to have been like, okay. We'll wait a minute. I don't want that. Guess. Yeah. Rightly. I would if I were to be telling my story, and I was like, yeah. When I was in like, seventh grade, I was like black AFC, and I was hanging out with black kids Puerto Rican telling the story find, but again that but implies to me less you think that that makes better or different or something anytime you so the race into it, obviously becomes a big deal and my own personal thing. It's like when I talk about sideline reporters every single time. I do an interview like he'll look sidelines. Just weren't for me. I really appreciate what sideline reporters can do because I've been quoted one time like I think sideline reporting is trash which is not true. So when you put that in there, you realize okay, you're going to spend back to yourself race. You don't you can't there's zero reason why you bring up somebody's race. Like, you can talk about your own personal experience, and you can defend your trying to like unless you think it makes you look. Ability throw reysen or like sexual orientation in for no reason. I mean, what will that? But that's kinda what they do. Right. I mean, they do that with everything they inject politics into everything which is what k- Marco hat is the number one quote from this article. I he says, she's almost swimming. We're still talking about green. Well, yeah. She added quote, Trump ruined everything barstool ruined everything. This is the green monster. Yeah. Which is just I find I find actually oddly satisfying that there is this idea that we have ruined quote, Jared every everything every not just some of the things. Well, just one thing not a couple of things. Yeah. Every all you don't want her greatest steak was what's that? That's going to be a t-shirt absolutely is going to make the company money per cent. It's like when they said I bought said weapon. We weaponize social media. I bought that shirt. Yeah. It had the crosshairs on and everything. It was awesome. Lunga? Sure. I worked here when that k still bought it. Yes. To support the change the banner across the tops of sports. We went social media barstool ruined everything. I mean. I'll wear the rallying cry for VR, man. Like like, I just love the idea that this that this girl and everybody else deadspin they wake up in the morning, and like they take a sip of their coffee, and they're like fucking arse gross because barstool ruin my coffee and can like. A like a puppy comes up to you. And it's licking your face. And you're like get away from me puppy Parcells ruin this puppy the laughter of children, the beauty of a sunset Jared. It's like a there's a double rainbow, and everybody's like, wow. Look at that. And the deadspin writers are like fucking pasta. They've ruin this. They've really Donald Trump. I like to point out again like they was Trump ruined everything. There's nothing between the president of the United States and bar sports. Dave is attributed that quotes Laura Wagner's day. I don't know. Marco said, she it's green. Well, is it? Okay. Yeah. 'cause it either she says I want I always want deadspin to do the fun and silly. But percentage wise, it won't feel like it did in the old days because the internet is dramatically less fun. She added Trump ruined. Everything are the raw the internet is dramatic who fun. But guess why? Because people not Barsha right like bugai's, Trump Trump. Absolutely. He he polarized everything. Everything is now black and white everything is politicized. Everything argument of that's that's a fact she's not wrong there. Yeah. And are still is the one that beacon of hope or we're still making light of saying where we still guys you guys make jokes over there. Let's call it. Call it down the middle. We get involved, but not too much. We. The same joke. So we would always make you guys are the ones that are actually contributing and and playing into the internet will no longer being fun. Friday was the perfect example of the way the internet is fun. The Robert Kraft news hits and everybody in here is able to separate the billionaire getting a rub and tug happy ending and chops at the perfect quote on high haters I sought from digs Zachary. He was like if you can't separate those things you're fucking loser. And that's Friday is a perfect example of how Barcelos stayed true. I'll everybody else was lacking the humor in the smaller part that we were talking about. And deadspin is wanted to those people percent. I mean that they don't realize that they are. I would even I would go further and say not just part of the problem. They like are the problem is very funny. Let's they won't call before the break sandy from Oakland. Oaktown what up sandy? Guys for jumping into it. While you guys a shout out. I downloaded serious like the week of the Super Bowl, and I'm an outside sales rep in my car all day, and you guys have saved my life. So thank you. Guys are awesome provided saving lives out here. I mean, I'm I drive through like different radio areas a day and different shots. You guys are awesome. But you guys are absolutely right on the dud spend thing where they're tanking and like when I was at Arizona state. There's a few places that were getting big you guys. It was deadspin and few others. I can't where they are. And that's their own damn fault. Very well, like, you guys are edgy indifferent. Everything where they started tanking was where they started following the trends of everybody else, like the Huffington Post washing boats, and all that shit and getting political when you got political. That's when you start getting negative start putting everybody down. Did you see there? Anything guys read the debts article on RJ bell and a fraud and all these damn blurs and everything you see that. No, no RJ bells a normal, dude. Right. He's just follow him. He's throwing his bets out there and biggest in the hard enough out. Right about him. Yeah. And some of his picks following the headstone them what you do, but they go on about health. It would it would drive. You guys in the office nuts if all the gamblers there but United to your convictions. And that's why you're pulling ahead. That's why they're taking and everything that comes out of their mouth is fucking negative. So that was my I mean, honestly, I guess thank you for that. I mean, I guess you can call it that. But like. I don't wake up in the morning being like stick to my convictions on humor. I just don't fuck in think about things like that. I don't think anybody here does. I just wake up, and I read an article or see video and I react, and I reacted one way in two thousand nine and I react another way into nineteen sometimes of the same. Sometimes they're different. Sometimes I will mention politics. Here's at times. I won't sometimes happy sad. Sometimes I'm progressive hero, sometimes conservative. It's just like, I don't know just harm this. Yeah. Right. Like the mentality is completely different barstool. We'll see a story and think how do I take this and make people deadspin? We'll take this story. It'd be like how do I save the fucking world? I guess fucking. What you can't you. Nobody can. But certainly not you guys 'cause you're fucking nobody's. Because rather than build up any sort of fan base where you actually could maybe influence or impact you spend all your time huffing, your own farts keys, would say, and and complaining about minor issues that really aren't consequential to the to the world self-awareness Isiro. 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So you can still go get all of that barstool sports dot com or come out more content coming we've got mardi mush the most recent star of this program here and Marty wall during the break because you went on with on Friday where you the whole so Friday weird around here because the Robert Kraft news hit Jared. What were your thoughts on that first and foremost before we even get to the situation if you're living on Iraq? You don't know Robert Kraft got popped for getting a happy ending in Florida. There's no way that he was aware of the sex trafficking part of it. I agree. It was just a regular guy going to get a hand job at a massage parlor, which is about as American is apple pie. So I don't I don't see why. I mean, it's it's as simple as everyone's out to get the patriots. There's a chink. In the armor, and everyone it blows it out of a portion. That's just what happens as pertains the patriots wrong team to be an owner of to get busted in a in a fucking massage parlor sting. It's just that's the bottom line. Is that everyone getting all pissed off about it? They wouldn't care if Robert Kraft was the owner of of the Jaguars. They wouldn't give a fuck. It would be funny which is kind of what it is obviously not the sex trafficking part of it. But you have to know that he was completely unaware of that there's no way he's go. Oh guy. That's a billionaire can get a hand job anywhere in the world. You think he's specifically choosing sex traffic slaves as source of an jobs? Of course, not. He's just in Florida the ad as a massage. Parlor sure, I wanna hand job. Here's a hundred dollar Bill. Honey, thanks for the day. What a speech. All right. You're right though. I mean yet, and we said this the beginning of the show chaps at perfectly if you can't separate the billionaire rub and tug from the fact that there could be sex trafficking than you. Just don't get it. Because abu. The jokes flying outta here. On Friday, we're coming from that. So our breer of Sports Illustrated tweeted out about eighteen minutes ago that the document that's coming out of Jupiter places craft at the parlor the morning of the AFC title game. So it was January the twentieth and says that he went in at ten fifty nine in the morning, and that he left at eleven thirteen. Oh, no. Oh, wow. So you wouldn't like just Ryan shop. That's so I just read the document. It was you said he wanted to ten fifty nine to eleven thirteen. I'm just gonna read you guys the document gotta handle. All right. Okay. Because this is what it says says on Sunday January twentieth. Video surveillance was conducted at the target business at approximately ten fifty nine craft entered the business through the front door where he paid cash at the front desk to Asian female previously identified, and then of course, they blocked out the names, and it was captured on camera. She escorted him to a room and the two hugged each other as craft took off. All of his clothing, laid face up on the massage table. And then she hugged him again at approximately eleven to she hid manipulating crafts peanuts and test scores and then put her head down by his penis. This went on for several minutes after a few minutes. I'm like uncomfortable reading Robert Kraft, like basically, she like wiped him up and like with the white towel helped him get dressed and hugged him. Again, gave he gave one hundred dollar Bill predicted what you said it says craft gave her one hundred dollar Bill, plus at least one other unidentifiable Bill. So something else she got another. And then it said he left the room at approximately eleven thirteen. I don't know what the hugging Zoll about three hugs. Thanks. When you leave. Maybe it's it's like hugged to say. Hi hug to say. Bye. And in the middle the middle ones middle ones all weird. But whatever, you know, like cop at the moment. But wait. Was there any mention of filet she oh in this just says put her head down by his penis? All I mean, what are you doing down there? But he just not commit the act of filet show. I don't it doesn't say on it. It says buy it again. What do you? What's your head? Don't I I'm just reading you what this police documents, which by the way, like that's a very graphic documented just be floating around social media. I mean, I did not when I was reading that. I did not expect to see. Minutes though is tough. I mean afford to think about like how long does it take? If you watch porn, you go home after work, you fire up fucking porn hub, you you're not less than fourteen minutes. No. But that's the thing that with massage that you usually it's a half hour getting like at least rub down. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Like he went in there specifically for hand job, which I kinda respect just said fuck us give me the don't even give him. This is like my shoulders a find Jack my deck. He also gave them a Massachusetts. Like, he gave them their actual drivers is if you're a billionaire don't give them your actual, driver's license. I mean, you have to the camera node is I think it'd be it'd be he would be worse off if he gave figure you one like, that's all I want these putting out. That's all I wanted. I mean he woke up in the morning. He was like fuck. I can't wait for this game. Let me get this lady in jerk me off. Yeah. I mean, it's not like he again, he didn't know the sex trafficking thing. Obviously, you just want a nice jerk. This goal. There's nothing wrong with that free. My man crafty through shit, then you've never gotten one I've never gone to a massage parlor to get a hand job before. No first time. I went I had no idea. I was going to get massaged. Yeah. Me and my pal. Yeah. It was a little little odd at first when you walked up to because you need to like there was like a doorbell you had to do. Yeah. Doa bell. They look through like little peephole finals a car something's up here. Yeah. And then I was laying down on the table with my with my Jimmy's on and I had Shimi's my underwear. Okay. Well, you know, Jimmy now those are sprinkles I've heard a little sprinkles on an ice cream. What what? Yeah, they in Boston. Oh, I thought you met you called your underwear sprinkles. And that really upset me Boston. I call spring. I thought you said you call your indoor sprinkles, and it was just a whole new revelation that I was very upset about sprinkling June. I'll forget that that's going to that's in my mind. I thought will move on anyway. So I'm sitting there. And all of a sudden I heard like splashing of water in like next Minnesota. I don't know what's going on here. I'm talking to. She's like, oh, you like you like, it's good. And then she likes star whispering shit, my sweat. She's like a one point. She's like you have uneven nipples like like, I do have uneven nipples facts like. But then she say in crazy shit, and then I like the doors open. I swear to God I saw like she saw getting weird like I might have to get out of here. I kind of like was getting out there. And all of a sudden Nicey, my friend the water was my friends getting showered by some Chinese with like the yellow boots. And like she had Segi titties to a knees. This is why I swear to God. She was like she was to showering them in the hour and a table shower before you get jerks, supposedly and just credit card in his ass shows weird. Where was this New York was in jersey, the first time ever was I telling you wild. Did you get the handwrite or not? Well, yeah. Once I was like, so I saw that was like fuck it. We're gonna get your guys just getting his ass cracks in credit card to gotta go. Now. So what what was like verbal? What was the verbal transaction to where she knew that. It was a go. And you knew that it was happening. It was Louis flip over at that point like points just flip over and she did like the jerk off like signed. She just like I was like. Thumbs up. And then you walk out like the shame on yourself. But you had never talked about again to good time. So out of curiosity Murray. You said last segment that strip clubs weird you out. But you have a good time rubbing tugs. Yeah. So sixty dollars is a hell of a deal. So it's the price if the price at strip clubs you don't like the price. Okay. I've paid for ninety minute massages that were like one hundred eighty dollars. I'm getting sagacity bucks twenty time. Yeah. I mean like that's why elegance ship called I've gotten like legit massage from like a Russian stripper. And it's like you pay them the rate of the song. Get like a nice massage for like, thirty bucks. Yeah. And it's like a good massage parlours sometimes my goal Llosa's fucking hurt. If it hurt. Back brace, AVI something. Yeah. I should probably do that. Yeah. Joined the back the back boys or whatever they call themselves curved that. Yeah. Like, they there was a cultural trip that we went on and they were both on the plane and they had to switch like taking what word am I looking for. Now turns fuck that was hard Marta. You're like, you're you're rubbing off your rubbing off on me. They're like taking turns laying in the middle of the plane because their backs hurt so bad, but it was like a cool kids club. It was like if your back is normal. Like, you're a loser. We're getting massages wouldn't be doing. So if they were going to wherever Robert Kraft was going to be okay able show. I don't get the table shower doesn't make any sense to me now. Strange. So this document like does it change your mind on anything? No. I don't think. So. Right. No. Well, I think people are probably going to give shit for taking thirteen minutes. But like everyone that says that dude you definitely take longer you. It was a fifteen minutes. Fourteen. All right. I walked in. He walked in at ten fifty nine and left out eleven thirteen. So it took less than that, whatever. I mean, I've if you're jerking off by yourself, you're not taking more than ten minutes. Ten minutes is a long time to watch a like if you're one of those that takes your fucking creep all the whole it's about like when you're jerking off. That's here to get this nut and get back to my life. That's that's what you're there for. That's pretty. That's true. Yeah. He's like it's he's paying for the hand job. So he's not like, oh, yeah. Like, I need to give her this great sexual experience. So he's just there to get nut as fast as he can. So he's there for does for him. I mean, yeah. Just let the guy live game big fucking game too. So huge need stress. Yeah. Yeah. And then now the New York Post has the headline out Robert Kraft, hugs it out with Tom Brady after. Toossion bust. They've got all these pictures of them on like arena runway hugging each other. And of course, like somehow Tom Brady's gonna get pulled into this. You know, I'm not not the actual act. But somehow they're gonna start slandering Tom Brady. If Brady comes out and says like free Bob Kraft, he ain't shit than I stand by that love more Robert Kraft was at Oscars parties last night. Did you guys see that just like out and about in LA didn't fuck who cares? That's the best part about it though. Most would hide or put out a statement like sorry. Like, no, I'm gonna go party and still probably jerked off someone here. Jerk we off now. I mean, those could be great for his brand. Like, maybe now he doesn't have to pay for it anymore. Well, Erica Erica was like yelling at her office. I'll do it. Right. We were like, yeah. I think most people probably would the problem is is like our barstool bubble. Like, it's like we're gonna make jokes about like the smallest part of it. It's not good. I brand you know, that it doesn't matter though. Like, what is he going to what did he have before that he's not gonna have now because of this? Well, they're talking about like maybe trying to take the team away from this ever gonna happen. You can't I know. But I'm saying well, you can't force him to sell because of how old is he seventy seven Hughes. Right. Yeah. Why would you I'm I mean, I I'm with you. But there are a lot of people out there that disagree with us. There's probably more people that disagree with us agree with us. We'll because does that have to do with the actual like severity or lack there of the situation or do. They just hate the patriots. I think it's probably make sure both because there's I have seen a lot of people on social media that don't give a fuck about football. It's all about the sex traffic. But you cannot prove that he was aware. No, I I know aspect of it. I'm like anyone that's all up in arms about that. It's like get a life, dude. Like, yes. Sex trafficking is horrible horrible horrible thing. That's going on in a lot of different places. But to then make it seem like he was aware of it and went to that specific parlor because he knew like you want to somehow support sex trafficking. You think that like Robert Kraft was doing that? No. He's donated millions and millions and millions of dollars a charity. Like, he's a great guy is just a little hand job. That's and you know, he's fucking seventy something years old. Maybe doesn't have a pretty little girl for to do a forum. So he's going to compensate somebody for I don't see any fucking Dalla right though. You can't you can't what's it called get caught for that? Like prove anything you would have to have like text messages. Hey, this is the sex trafficking poly, you head down there. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go get those sex. Girls or like, they have people like they are cops out there. Really go into massage parlors that they think are doing it. They say, hey, can I get this? Handoff three dollars. That's how they get arrested. Yeah. It's not less. There's no chance if you have proved that he actually was like give me a hand job. So I don't know why wants talking about let the guy come. And that's it. It's only now that the the report is out people are not happy about it. But you know, whatever, they it'll it'll fights put a great point out there when he shows up in August soom, assuming he's not suspended for many games. I don't think that he will be he's gonna get a standing ovation and Foxborough. They're going to go win their seventh ring and everything's gonna be fine though, is going to be great is like I hope that someone has a sign. That's just like a big like jerk off like side. Did you see Dave shirt on Friday coming for seven? That's probably going to be be more about it. So we'll see what happens to Robert Kraft again. Like now that this report is out there people are making a big deal about whatever mush you watch the kademi awards last night. Are you an Academy Awards guy? Why were you here last night just out of curiosity? Joe still wanted me to gamble on it. So. I've seen one and a half movies. I was like even on. There was the half Black Panther. He only half of it had to do something. And watching it yester-. Yeah. Yes. Are watching it Sunday morning. I had to do something. So just watched half of it. It was good film for half. What was the other one ISA stars born? Okay. So now like three times. All right. So before we get to what everybody's talking about. With the lady Gaga, Bradley Cooper stuff. 'cause I assume you're you're weird brain is going to take how much did you lose on the Academy Awards? So I actually was doing pretty good. I had one supporting actress that did. Well, I was good win. But then that did you see a whole conspiracy theory thing about that fucking director. Yeah. What happened with? I mean, I saw I was like Penn State. There was like a student like what was the impact of it? So I'm schmo hawk was schmo. Hawk social oke was not like a a group tech saying like, hey, like hammer, your goes, forget forgets fucking last. Name your go something he was plus thirty five hundred and it was spinning out like wildfire. Fire went down two plus three hundred by the time like Faneuil took it off their book like people are taking off because it was too easy. So I called literally I call about six or seven friends at gamble to find it. I found it. I doubled down all the money. I was all ready up and he lost the even fucking come close. So how? How did that happen? I don't get how I want. Now. I'm so intrigued of like, that's that kids feel so cool. Like he just brought down so many people that should be like an asshole. You know, what good for him? He got everybody. He got the whole world talking about his fuck in aunt in the academy that was making these bets and the all goes what a piece of shit. You'll go says, you know, I just tried to buy a gyro Jogos out there. Twenty one dollars really the side of the street. Acid expert twenty one dollars of the lamb. I went lemon lemon tuna fish. But anyway, lamb lamb gyro twenty one. Yeah. And then I pull out my wallows. It's all singles on Saturday that you stole from the shipper. Yeah. Away stripper work, really hard for the steal my money anyway, plus a couple other monies in addition to but. Yeah. Twenty one dollars. What the fuck is. That funny is how much you have. Said not twenty one and then my yelled out a minute left. Did you negotiate at all? I could have. But then I was so distraught over and I really didn't wanna lamb gyros for just doing it for him. You also don't really want to like yell and try to get free food from guy on the side of the road. Because who knows what he's going to do to your food wasn't free. Just like. You're not going to try to negotiate down a sandwich, New York City on the side of that. Because you don't what they're going to price. I could only imagine what he was gonna do if I said like seventeen dollars. I'm a big street meek guy. I don't. I don't like I'll just I'll get something all the way to work here. Yeah. I do that all the time in the beginning. But a little less now I care about. I mean, I just don't usually get it. What is your about above it here about that? Not pork. Really? Yeah. We'll look pork alot pool. Yeah. What would what about that allow white sauce thing? But I've heard that I don't know everyone talks about its white sauce in. Hello, no idea. You'll hear about these things. Now, I don't care about anything to the street here. My I'm a street rat. Okay. Love the street. So you should be my ear to the street in New York. Yeah. We work on that. Okay. Yeah. That's that's what team rockets for. That's right. We're we're family guys. Gotta get the white sauce. Yeah. I'd love to. That's actually, Glenn, Glenn when he got his hand job from the from his rub and tug he left a bag of white sauce in the is very upset about it. Did he say that he goes to these regularly? He says he doesn't do in New York. He does it and Jerry's in like other places in New York or something. Yeah. I don't Montreal. Montreal different story. Yeah. He also took a Ricky shot the reason we're talking about again, it's because in Dave's press conference. He was like Glenn went ten times this week itself. It was as line of sight though to edit. Just Glenn Glenn. Yeah. He's told the story on this show about the leaving the white sauce there. Yeah. So I mean, if he went almost one back to get his white sauce at jerk place. It's gotta be good. Yeah. Guys, gotta go find that. I kind of now. Now, I kind of just wanna. Have a rub and tug story almost. Yeah. I feel I don't feel part of the team in I have one. Yeah. Mine was a little ill need one was wild as mine. I feel like it's it's not really that uncommon. Did you say everyone has like a rub and tug story in the office? I mean when Dave said raise your hand, if you've ever been to an Asian massage parlor and got your dick rubbed every guy in this office razor hand, they're supposedly like one over here. It's like an institution. Like, it's no one's everyone just goes to it. How did they get away with it though? Like, if you're I feel like as cops in New York just have bigger problems. Yeah. That's what I think. I don't think they really care less. It's like really crazy shit going unless there's probably girls they're working gets. There will like there wasn't Florida. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I think. It is tickets different. Yeah. You gotta go on rub maps. Yeah. That's a website. I used to be back paid got seized by the government. And then now, it's rub maps rub maps is okay. I learned all about that. I'm telling you Friday was a weird day around. It was very today. Maybe I'll start like a new video series where I do rub and tug reviews. I think that's soliciting prostitution's probably shouldn't do that content. But what if I talked to though the women beforehand? I'm like, hey, I can't pay you because it's prostitution's you have to do it for free. So that I know, you know, what you do what you do you tell them that you are going to film it, but you won't release it anywhere and technically it's just porn. Oh, there's a there's a pawn in that does that you know, what I'm just because think about if you if you paid me not me. I don't like that. He's able if you paid a girl down the street and was like, okay. Like, I will give you this money. If you will like give me a hand job. That's technically prostitution if you pay the same girl the money and said, I will you can give me a handwriting. We're going to film it and make it an amateur porn. No problem. So I need as a camera technically, and she has to be consented to it. Dave would be cool with me getting jerked off on camera like once a week, it'd be blurred out. I don't I don't know that answer. I really, and I I'm glad that. I don't know that answer. I'll talk to him after the show. I mean that would be a hell of a series. Yeah. Just tired though, I be exhausting. Maybe maybe I would film them on Fridays to put out on Mondays literally drink Mari. We have thirty seconds lady Gaga, Bradley Cooper, they fucked each other one hundred percent, you don't soon like that gays. I she didn't blink foot literally twenty cents counting. She was. She looked great. He looks great. He could sing she could sing it just makes sense makes sense to me to they have to be swingers awful. Yeah. That's what everybody does. I will be back tomorrow. Kevin will be back Martin. Thank you so much. We'll see Mars. They hot. No problem repping, the Kowloon. But I feel like I can't wear the gear until until you go been there. You gotta be a madman. Yeah. And I I have no doubt. I'm gonna sit down and like it. It's not like I have to see whether other. I'm word the Kevin over there. It's worthy of me. But I can't you know, it's like a not not on a level. You know, we'll get you there. We'll give you a whole tour. We'll take your like, there's the pictures on the wall of all the famous people that have been there. And I don't know. Maybe maybe one. Are you all I'm not on? I think I might be on the wall. Gazza what's going on here? Coast just leave. The sewer me when I'm don't have a way to talk. So I figured I'd come into. I mean, breaking news about her topic as she walked off the radio. I mean, I know she got to get a blog up. But also in Rappaport for breaking that news. Maybe we could talk about that is kinda crazy, right? If we had an in. Yeah. Well, last time last time when Schefter be beat us on a calamari. I guess it was whatever was. Yeah. But this one is more the team making a decision. Yeah. So you know, she might not have she might not now. But but I don't know. I mean, the internet might have out before I think she's moved on to Kyle Amari anyways. Yeah. I mean, I asked her if she's ever said a bad word about if you had to think for about forty five minutes on that. I mean, it's she's carrying the water for up organization. Calendar is probably going to be in podcasting within the next three years anyway Gaz trying to sue you. What do you got on your boy, what's what's the word out of the comeback season? Camp. I have not heard from either one of them. So it's a bitches since when was the last time communication of demand. Last time. I record the podcast which was one. I don't know in. That is a couple of what do you think the movies, where do you think he goes the af where do these football? He would make sense, right? I wonder what? Wonder football to me is just such a crazy sport and find out about Johnny from caller this ASO's. I find over like, no not happen. Like read a book the football to me is not worth like, fucking painful and big address. And like you wanna you wanna chase your? I think it's crazy to be like a minor league. Baseball player for life to go. Get a real job make real money and don't live on buses and EPA butter sandwiches. They making like two hundred bucks week if what they're all about your also like, you know, you're on the baseball dugout your whole life like cracking jokes and playing ball. It's kind of fun. Yeah. Football quarterback. Get your fucking face smashed in your risking your brains and your limbs for what how much money does does help pay not a lot is he making six figures you can live like minor league. Baseball player Lee is like poverty type shit. You're living. You have a living. But you're not you're not a millionaire. But you you make a living. But I I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Right now. Signing bonus. Did you put up a blog? But, but what do I put in the blog like my co-host didn't let me know this happening. And now I can't get a hold of. But like grand that this podcast is over for the season because it'll start again. But it's like, what am I supposed to do galley guys fucking guys trying to sue me? It's like, well, what am I supposed to do? Like stock their entire lives. Make somebody give you a heads up on something not this is like, what am I don't understand? If you're not going to like put I idea what I'm supposed to do. Well, that's the problem is that you know, they are they're they're focused on their shit. And I'm sure whereas the podcast is your priority. I'm sure it's not their priority. So they don't feel that's fine. But it's it's like, I guess when I was when I was gone. He was just like, oh, if we only had an in on on these guys, but I also said it's the team's decision here. Like, it's one thing if it was like Johnny was making a choice, and you didn't know if the team, I probably wouldn't know making choice at this point. I wouldn't I mean, whatever. I mean, there's nothing you could do what does this mean for the Johnny Manziel like see I assume that it would be looking at the af massage at the last stop. I feel like they are connected almost I wonder if it was maybe like a mutual parting of ways where it was like the CF L CFL, nobody's really paying attention to it the way even the super skeptical on all these fake Louis, but at least there's a little bit of buzz around right now. And you know, but that is the last right? If he doesn't stick here whereas gonna stick I don't think anywhere, right? There's nowhere else to go. I wonder if Dave is still sticking by his Johnny Manziel is going to be Pro Bowl quarterback take. I'm going to guess. No. I'm gonna yes. Yes. You think so Dave is going to stick by his AAC? Yes, why? Because he's fucking Dave. But burn asshole Dave back his guys. But it's like what point is like, well, you didn't even give us the news about this. Yeah. I just feel like he's gonna say until like, he's dead. I I remember being like all right? We'll have to wait for Johnny's funeral like hopefully, it's many many years in the future because only. That will say, well, I guess you can't be a Pro Bowl quarterback until then the doors wide. What year? Did you have that take? I mean, it was like his draft year. So I right. I mean that was probably when he first started talking does fourteen. So we're now five years in did he get enough from signing bonus to where he can sort of while it's also about how much of it. Did you did you spend also got money from Nike guy money from Snickers? You got money from endorsements drop him or year deal was what eight point two million six point seven guaranteed signing bonus of four point three. So all in he made ten million dollars four and a half up front. And I mean like shut enough to like, you know, also comes from ridiculous money like not just like, oh, kind of wealthy talking oil-rigs, Texas, oil rooks, Tyler Texas, mating. Damn I know that like we're talking about the grand scheme of things of professional athletes. Like, no one are not oh making two hundred sixty million dollars yesterday. But ten million. Dollars compared to that doesn't seem like a lot. You can live off ten million dollars. I mean that's rough. If you're smart about it, which obviously I I mean, I I don't know days finances. But I feel like that's where he landed after everything. And I mean, he gambles travels buys expensive shit. Granted. You don't have kids. It's like, yeah. You could you could normal fucking salary. And if you don't have kids, you can just start amassing money because it's all yours. Right. I'd unless you're truly exorbitantly wasteful, you're going to be okay. But it seems like Dave is and he seems to be making more money. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know how I used. Yeah. I used to know I used to like I had a grasp on money and what Richmond and what like how much money you needed. Now. It's all thrown out the window because they've although he said he's finally on a moves on his gambling. Yeah. Dave's always had a move so deep in the hole, and there's no move to make because he can't throw watch party and take the money. You can't put a t shirt on sale and take the money now at all goes to churn. Right. Means that book to kick the bucket again. So one of the wildest 'bout barstools stories of all time. It's the most underrated guys. You don't understand? He was down like heavy six figures and the guy he owed it to may he rest in peace just died. Yeah. And nobody came looking nobody said like you'll need. No, it was just clean slate. And that is why Dave Portnoy walks around all like, he can fucking do whatever he wants because he literally can because he can make bad decisions and be down big money to like probably bad people. And then just worked out done. He is Jesse pigment. I honestly, I honestly think that you know, the Bruce Willis the Samuel Jackson m night trial movie. So they're like opposites of each other. He's unbreakable guys Mr. glass, I think days like Bruce Willis, and I'm like Samuel Jackson like nothing goes smooth for me. Why are we getting a weird face from L E right now what? Come on. The elephants is ridiculous sin. Kevin no disservice to girls everywhere by saying that fifteen seconds can kill can you? Listen to me talk for a second. You cannot say that because I have a ridiculous take on a hypothetical that I made up that. Now girls are not allowed to answer hypothetical stupid take effort Tuesday and Thursday on Campsie radio. And yet you every week continued to answer them don't sewer women takes. You are a long list of of bad hypothetical takes girls on the show. Yeah. But like this is not a bad take. Because it's it's not because I TNT chick you this scene. You're missing the word dedicated. Dedicated. No, no, no, these chickens dedicated to killing walking, they I think that because it's my hypothetical that I created and I came up with you get fifteen chickens strap knives to their wings. Get also wing. The fucking knives. Total that I still think it matters. But. Also think they they got the is the trunk. It's done the elephants done the answer. We gave on Casey radio classic. Dan, jump back in. He got back into the hypothetical game. I asked him we had the same take the end of the credits are as infinite chickens Infinity, and even then it would just be a draw. Like, I don't know about chickens like I feel like you know, what? Okay. I'm from farmland of America. I've seen it have chicken chicken. I know fucking thing about okay. Maybe I don't. But I know that dedicated chickens could do it and fifteen dedicated anything could bring down in alpha. I don't think that they could not maybe not like anything like fifteen Eli's take down an elephant dedicated if I was really dedicated reading. Reading word. That's the difference. It's passive chickens were like, where's like cooking? You know? It's like I'm gonna kill this elephant. They're gonna get it done. What would the chickens how day? Yes. Dan was like. I think fight said you'll have to have one fly down the elephants throat. That's a good take. The bad thing. This is a hypothetical shin. No. Not real. But like see I'd say one hypotheticals berry here at you do. But like, it's you're wrong on the only way to do it. But I don't even know. You would need in. You have to get the chickens together. The is like the bass can Harry Potter minute. It's down a sense. Can't see you know, and. You know? To the all on with it's fucking drunk. You get the truck you go is the trunk. You're talking about like severing the trunk. How how is the chicken? They have released beaks, you know, they they leave scars people when they had their corn. Yeah. I just feel like you're slandering chickens here. I don't think you realize how tough they can be. I thought you were mad because I was land women now, we're onto the chicken. I just I just don't chicken suing my my hypothetical and my take on my hypothetical. Well. Have have more correct? Sewer. All right. I think that's really the only way that chicken or chickens could take out an elephant is if they feel just to just chickens could kill me just to present facts, not to take into inside for the record elephants eyesight is poor. Anyway. So so so taking there is wouldn't even matter Zakian. Can't you like fuck I thought you're on my side here. Don't don't like like bullets not even like penetrate, the skin of a fucking elephant you have to you have to have a very very accurate shock like you have to hit. Deta don't they have like elephant guns that are like. Added ball rifles you see one of bullets bullets size. Getting big giant Zabul into a elephant. And it's like maybe a little phase him like if you put a human brain, if you put a human brain in a chicken, they could do it because I think that they could poison the I mean. Educated. They have like cyanide with rice in okay, okay pill. How about how about one chicken that like has salmonella chicken breasts and got the chicken, the get the elephants eat it? Trojan horse this elephant with us alma L. I don't think that it would just probably like shit a lot. Yeah. I don't think it's. Traded. And then it dies of natural causes. I don't know if that happens. This is always the E hips. Hips. Yeah. It's killing elephant. Are you scared of one? Yes. One extremely a single scene Pickens. They're very aggressive. I will I will agree with you on this. I'm afraid of chickens like if was in his room and get the fuck fuck away from me chicken. But I also don't think that I'm as tough as an elephant, you're not. But like I'm afraid of chickens, and I think everyone should be. So I think the elephant have some into worry about at least I the elephant will walk back. My take and say, maybe they couldn't necessarily kill it. But it should be concerned. But elephant would be disgruntled at the. Elephant would be like this is I really yes. This day is ruined chickens. Give me a fucking break. I'm feeling like I defended myself enough job L. All right. Wait, wait. Hang on. Eric from Texas has something about your take. What's up, Eric? What's up to on the elephant thing, and how ridiculous thought of fifteenth dedicated? I don't wanna hear this. I think Texas is leave we wear cowboy boots here. I've appar cowboy boots made from elephants, and I can literally take my starve six buck knives and scraping on the two dozen scuff it at all there's no way can't even stab an elephant with a knife. So even if you gave those chickens knives Ellie, nothing's happening. Casey. I seem to have underestimated the power of an elephant. Apparently, overestimated the power of the chickens. So you are just completely, but I'm not wrong though. I still think that they could do it. Because this is my take in my hypothetical hypothetical. The elven might be this is why girls can't do the hypothetical say. I know that I'm wrong. Make my rules because it's my hypothetical. You guys make up shit. All the time this mom, fucking, your mom, or your girlfriend, or whatever. Bend the rules. You make up different Rosie's. This to which we we have not heard any from your case here today. I gave you the logic. That is please. You're a little elephant research from you just pull up with the -pedia and right in like elephants skin and just talk just Jarrett. When I get back from therapy. That is what I say. Good cry cry. Continue to thrive will have a great take is Zack from Texas. What's up man, guys? So listen, I think that you know, Johnny to the commanders Tonio the no brainer. I wanted to give a little hit on Admiral things you take. If you set your lawn for like an hour before you're supposed to get up, and you just put your bed, and you're long goes off, you take it. And then it's like you're up and ready to go for the rest of the day. So I agree with that that the good take. But Johnny commanders. Janis minutes. Okay. We got hit a break. I'm going to go do a little Luke Bryan prep for because. I'm huge, Luke. Bryan fan. We have motion here and cases, wrapping up her comeback season stuff. So you get the rockets plus Bush taking you into chicks the ops guys tomorrow, stay. Feels good to be gang real cakes type play of places, but real gangsta type of this group gets to play sport. Dissolved ways gotta hawk. All right. We're back, and we got healthy poor going with the wind. Crazy just delivered some wind today in yellow actually, Danielle a gave me the wine. Oh, so we're delivering back and forth. It's a mutual delivery thing here going on post mates will deliver you wine. They would be food groceries. Anything you need from any of the twenty five thousand merchants they have available on their network. They'll do it twenty four seven three sixty five. Jared how many hours in a day or their twenty four how many days a week seven how many days in year three hundred sixty two four seven six five. What does that mean a lot all the time all the time pose mates? We'll deliver you everything within one hour. How many minutes are in an hour. Sixty took a little too long there bud vase voting that I'm a smoke show on the bus. Don't let anybody ever tell you. Otherwise, sixty within sixty minutes, you'll have anything delivered to you. It could be sushi. It could be wind could be breakfast burritos. It could be lucky charms and diapers because that's what you kid needs and likes whatever it may be. They will deliver it to you on the spot and right now, you can get one hundred dollars of free delivery. When you go. Download the free POS mates app. A use the promo code Casey within the next seven days. One hundred dollars of free delivery charges post mates, promo code, Casey, whatever you want hundred dollars for free. Get it. Funny. Good ones. Go. All right. We're back hour number two. Jared is voting online that he's smoke show where people find that bar so radio barstool radio yourself. You got. I mean when you run for President Donald Trump voted for Hillary. I don't think so actually vote you can. Yeah. That's a big thing when the election day presidents, and they go to American can cast their over themselves. Jared did his his civic duty call themselves smoke show. What's what's the count that? I am losing. But haters right now, we have is this your radio debut and yellow. Wow. Was. Danielle is on radio I was just walking back into snack snack room. And I was like do you want to radio because she was at the barn last night decked out in her Maple Leafs gear e l g go leaves go didn't go for. It was not a great night for the least I was not a great night dad's Toronto. So you have a reason. Thanks. So it's actually funny because my dad grew up in Toronto, my mom grew up in Long Island, so growing up. It was always like we were torn between the island. I went to a bunch of games as a little girl in the calcium with an entire side of my mom's family, and like, obviously like the lease fans, and my dad's was so much more passionate about it. So much easier to release when we were in Toronto. It was fun. I was always like a party to go watch these games, and I just naturally became at least fan now. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say, I'm free rallies level of like. Is. I enjoy watching the game. I probably watch like seventy percent of their games. Like, I don't I don't watch your normal fan. Got to do ears next thing. I know I was sitting between Duino Frankie, and Frankie the the father and the son the Borelli's were. Were right in between you. You were decked out in your leave skiers, and it's so funny because like I got cues on Twitter of being like, oh, you're fixing it, you're ducking. But like, I wasn't even ducking for like embarrassment. At least we're getting obliterated. I was ducking because Frankie's dad and Frankie were literally like on top of. Every day tweet. That is a tweet right there. There was a moment. It was the there was a goal that was called off. Right. And the celebrate that ensued Frankie stood up. And he I five dad with you in the in between and friend. Dave tweeted like no goal and Daniela. I pulled our for good measure. It's like God damn, Dave. I don't even think you realize kind of all kinds of of that. I think when that inbetween when that goal is like being reviewed there was like not one breath in the Coliseum was surreal. Like, I I'm sure it was it was crazy feeling to be there. I'll give it to them. They showed up last night. They don't shop every night. But oh. Oh. Throwing your shots a little heated. I just got into an argument with fights. I got into Frankie guy. I got apparently got Gaz like it's been a ride as welcome to whatever. I went over to Gaza's desk to have a simple conversation, which is about your worst fucking mistake. Why do people ever talked to Dave or Gaz? And actually, let me this is this is what happened. I went over to Francis. Ask him question. And of course, gas it's next to Francis. So it just became this whole entire group discussion, and then of course, Gaz being Gaz how to start and I was like, okay. Hypothetically, would you go to game seven in Toronto. Bruins verse beliefs and fights just chimed in. It was like I'm more scared of Montreal. Like, this is crazy. Like who? Do you think you are Frankie goes like you can't speak in this office today? Like, she's been a mess for me. So when when Kevin a pint glass, passing me, a beer glass to pour wine, and I filled it up say that's a heavy ass. But whatever. Sneaky year already big hockey office. Yeah. Sneaky to be honest. I think it's fucking hockey office. Yeah. Like, I feel like hockey is is it. Is our biggest. Well, I would say that like fan passion. Yeah. Well, that's what I was gonna say is like, yeah. Dave at the patriots, which is on the nihil will. But it's only challenge. But it's also. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But even the even the the pay the patriots Dave has kind of become self serving. Because it's part of like e makes money off into the the hockey fans. Here are just pure true hockey nuts like marina. She's not on camera. She's not growing, you know, her her record. She's just sitting there doing captions and living and dying with bright. Right. I I didn't even know Danielle was a hockey fan tech leakier. Our this is the thing I got accused of a lot of things yesterday. And like one of them was you're not a true fan are real fan. But like, I scroll through my Twitter, my Instagram. I got accused of buying my hat like last night or yesterday morning. I was like all right. This don't ever listen that shit. Anybody Hoti vans are the worst with that. Where it's like, why don't you like? Not a real fan yet. Suck my dick. But yeah. Get Eiffel tower, dude. Kick rocks. Yeah. Exactly. They can enjoy their one night believes do have. I think one of the best logos and uniforms in all sports. Classic dope. Although I don't get the Leafs leaves thing. I don't know. I actually story there with what Leafs leaves? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. L E. Yeah. I mean, it's just wrong. But it also seems better. It was the maple leaves. That would be weird. Yeah. That'd be where Maple Leafs now like that still blow? That's just get rid of leaves. At least I don't understand the whole this should all be like that this forget about hooves. Yeah. At simple forever back die. I I would I would go. I keep it simple. I would cactuses Moose's. I would fishes I would do fardie thought the other day was a word in coli had to correct them. Were you there for that? I don't know. But he was in Italy. He said that on CC K. He was like he asked us if you speak French in France. What do they speak in France? No, he said, he can speak French goes, what are you gonna do? Go to France like. Ranch there. And we were like what other language would they speak? He goes, I don't know Italian. Isn't it in Italy? I was like I love Marty. I love. He has a skull empty. It's okay. Though flying around in his skull. Yeah. Which is fine. I mean it works for him. It does these the best the best. He got in trouble with firefighters. Which is very they're here today. He put up a picture of our stairwell has a fire hose in it with a wheel that you crank to put the water out. Yeah. I walked by this sucker every day. And I want to crank the wheel. And all these firefighters like that's not funny. That's for emergencies. Only suck dick dude came up to the firefighters here. And there was like I just want to apologize for this. They don't care. They do not care that you put up a picture of firehose and said I wanna turn the wheel down. Was there? Did you have any sort of reaction when Dave? Dave tweeted got Eiffel tower by Franken is dead. I luckily, you're one of one of the people I think in absolute take that if he if he did it without the video it would be like weird. What's right because of the video at show. Like, obviously, you weren't like if it was like Danielle just got Eiffel tower by Franken is dead. We can safely say, obviously, she was not actually out. No matter. What the circle right, but the video helps right video definitely everyone the image that they need. That was enough. Honestly, it was so funny as you run out of there. I did. So. Away. And like the entire section was waving goodbye to me. I just couldn't I'll first of all ages true. Getting the call Siham is pretty far like it took me two and a half hours to get there to me. Yeah. Why traffic I have just taking the train, but I was into Frankie, and I got stuck in traffic. So it's. You're an idiot part of his plan. And then I I left like with probably like ten minutes left in the third period. 'cause I was like this is nuts. And as I was leaving the score the six goal. I was like I I'm done. Right. Call. I would have pulled the Ripcord on that. Like, what am I doing MC humiliating myself by sitting here like it was just too much? But it is the Leafs are back in the call on April first, which is end of the season. So I don't think it's going to be a very important game for anybody. But I am thinking about it. And maybe definitely not going with Frankie. But I don't wanna be there because I think the the lease can somewhat redeem themselves they can win that game hype. Man. I would love that video the whole time to sit on either side of Frank tower. Let's go do it. Here. It is go drink your bucket, a one enjoy your so much. I'm very not my birthday party, my friend shelter. You tell the story. Oh, okay. So last night like, obviously, I was getting couple of followers on Twitter, and I went I wanted to make sure like I had my basis covered. Because true reason I use Twitter right now because to keep up with all like what's going on our storm like I think it's important for our jobs here, and I was going through actually like clicked reas profile just to see who she falls to make sure I like followed. Everyone's I've never even done that. And I was growing through. And I noticed like Jared follows you. But Danielle I wasn't following him. So I followed him back last night. And I came in this morning. Jared was like I just want to be very clear. I fall you last night. And I didn't mean to do that. But I'm gonna I'm gonna unfold you right now. And I was like all right. You do that. At least my problems. Yeah. I just wanted to know that I didn't follow around purpose. By accident. No. Yes, I'm done. I'm good. That's all I need dared. Also has a thing where he will follow people, and he gives them like, I don't know exactly what the time limit is. But I've heard him talking about it where they don't follow back a week. I feel that Michael was did you really follow me last night because I've like you've fallen me a couple of days. I last night. Okay. I don't even know. I'd like it on record that I've been falling for a while ago about on Twitter. I was like well like I don't really want to hear your thoughts. I mean that's fair. You don't have to hear my thoughts. Yeah. So I thought you last night. I was like, oh, here's like interesting content for the first time. Okay. Oh my God. Marvel all she did for us. Yeah. Exactly. Like, you don't care about my thought. Honestly, don't everything's you. You're stupid. You're. Yeah. Like, the people that I try to keep close like this like show make or break your entire you might starve to death on your next fucking. I don't wanna wear you're going to Florida next. You might live in a fucking crat house. I don't think that you maybe not you just generically the people that weren't really paying attention like what din yellow an M B and slider house like the way we lived Super Bowl week. I know you were complaining about the way we're living. But like they coconut, bro. Every morning. Obey cleaned up every night. Like when we would just absolute the night. Everybody got high and all that Chinese food was everywhere. The next morning you wake up. It's just gone. It's beautiful coffees made bread misses out because Danielle NBN spider killing the game. Honestly, the Brussels sprouts were I genuinely felt bad for RV people. I was like they need some vegetables. I'm gonna silliest I could do. But anyways, nutrients drink the one enjoy that wind girl, I'm gonna bring it back tonight. Ask do you should it's Friday not care. Also, I would just like to make one more thing. Clear. Sorry. I know I am not the assistant office manager. I don't know how. I have no idea. It's like as what I'm being called on all the sources. I'm not the all the sources erica's assistant. I think the assistant to the CEO. Okay. I just want to make that clear where is that? We can correct it. I think it's on bread it. It's. I know I don't shade room. TMZ all all of that. I'm pretty big now. She's right next to the where khloe Kardashian threw shade of Jordan woods votes. Interesting. No, call Matt Jordan woods went on Pinkett show. She said she gives him a peck. She admitted to a pack, but it's like pecked with that book. And then I got like very political. And then I was like all right. I'm going to shut this off right now. It's just not great. I'm sure you have plenty about that at three o'clock chicks in the office. Greg. How is a question for the rocket Gregory, Greg? Gentleman and Casey Reich, high first of all, hey, Casey official shout out to girlies. She was electric on later yesterday. I think. I think any attention. I need a cloud of her mardi much just just for shit show. That may be. Bush our screen her end to New York and have mardi in Lorant. Louise, just like Jesus Christ case like go out. Also show if see Twitter trolls that call you like a piece of shit a terrible person. 'cause it's you. They should like within the first five minutes of the show. And like see what you did. So the firemen. Yeah. I mean, thank you for that. Man. That's not why I do it. But it was nice. Yeah. Thank you. There you there brother? Okay. I hung up on because I thought you hung out. God damn it. You had a question for John was the subject just said question for question. All right. So you asked me a question, Kevin. We'll pretend that some Greg. Do you think that you will adjust your beard after all this feedback that I know? That's that's the right answer. Because I like I said like do what you want hasty Casey is probably the only in my mom, my mom. Just like, Andrea, russet. Oh god. Yeah. Should also better. What if she said like shave your beard and give yourself like, wait? Wait. Wait, wait. You would not even shave for. Andrea russell. No. Well, there's only I would trim it down. But I wouldn't I don't get this. I don't get that is. To be our of four years. I wouldn't go clean shaven for anybody. No. Rossio CEO buddies, telling you to go clean shaven. I know, but he's saying this pathetic situation over Mike. So I take a picture like quick just take the one from fucking because it's not the straight on the straight on pictures. The problem. I would chop my head off for Christina Shulman chop it off with an axe. I mean, if she was like that saw and tweeted at her, please. If like if Andrea russet, I can I try can I tweet this? I mean, if you were to tweet that you'd be the third fucking person a tweet a picture of my face because of my fucking beard and hair combo. Okay. Pat, barstool radio case like why just because I try something new in front page. Oh, wait. Yes. You don't know. How Marsal works. I mean, change any Razi. You wear a shirt I'd had red hair since December. It's march. Why is it news today? I don't get a case. Finally, it are being noticed it. How long here is? Why today growing it from our seat differently and our CEO walked by you yesterday said what the fuck is going on at what you'd left. Everyone was like that was an overreaction your hair looks fine. Nobody said that it is sitting right? Okay. Once I'll tell you who said it, and then you can curb firm that they said it what you gotta do is like Trent Roddick's next to you need her to go. Look at Jared, racy pro I can't believe you're surprised with us. I can get like one or two it's like a whole fucking. Maybe maybe my my career. Here's a different anytime. You wear a shirt that's wrong. Change your hair change, your beard, change, your skin you. I don't think I got a sunburn get a suntan. What did I change my hair is I didn't? I just turn the sides. I've been doing that every. You've been coming in here. Looking like you're wearing that LA gel from nineteen ninety eight today fiber today, it doesn't look like Joan blew dry, right? So why everyone's talking about it because it looks different. I mean, the I mean the fact that I use a fucking blow dryer front page news on goddamn Friday. You know, who you are? I'm just this kid is a boy from Saugus, right? You're using a bow dryer. Yeah. That's front page news. I guess just some supplies. I'm surprised that. It's just that big of a deal. I mean, hey, people don't talk about. Nobody's I am a nobody. And people talk about me a lot. I mean. No, you you're not two hundred thousand people fall you on. Oh, by the way. Where's my mother? Fucking cake. I podcast. I didn't get a cake for one hundred thousand ROY. Yeah. Grassy hits yesterday. Number one. You've got to ask for nobody. Nobody knows his handed. Gotta get your own. Got a cake for a hundred K. I didn't that's different. That's not a CC K thing. That's like, Bob FOX thing. I think Bob FOX gets people cakes one hundred I didn't get a fucking cake for one hundred last month ago. I guess he just didn't one hundred one hundred twelve now so somewhere around the national championship when I got fucking destroyed on that livestream looking at looking at big cats asked the way that I did still up in the air on if it was you know, lustful or disgusted lustful between that and me just getting I mean. Casey verbally assaulted for hours. On that stream was tough for me. I mean, okay with it. You're undressing him. With your is. No, I'm talking about like the bet. What did she bet money on that game? Clemson. That's hey, smitty. You wanna fuck in sell some Bryce Harper t-shirts. You can pay me the fifteen hundred dollars that you've owed me since November. The fuck. I mean, we made a bet on the Phillies over under five hundred for the season. I said under he lost that would have been like the first week of October. So it's been five months. Five bucks? Midi czar you hear this. He's fighting smitty stunt talk that shit. I don't think we do. I don't know if we need to have a fucking Bryce Harper should have a whole line of Bryce Harper shirts. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Mhm? Fucking make them. I mean that's saying go snake that bonus. If you don't Adam I would I sure love to come up with the price opera. Sure. And I'll wear aware down and fucking Florida. Maybe we'll get him on the podcast pro simple. Put Bryce on a fucking shirt in the Phillies. Font P into a b and all that shit, by the way, not Bryson's for on things that have gone well from recently hair beard, two hundred K February the biggest month starring nine history. This season hasn't hasn't even started yet February biggest. Three star. Okay. That's actually not section. I mean, it's just act Hct fucking World Series. Yeah. I think we do Tober thinks big things more things are coming because I will not be here next week. A lot of people are going to be excited about that. I won't be here next week. I'll be in Florida doing a bunch of interviews down. There. A lot of big names. And the thing that's been cool about these trips. Random people to show up on the way. So maybe there's a random person when we go to Philly camp that might show up along the way, by the way, the random person the picture of him on the Instagram yesterday that we put up where I mean. Bryce operate. Yeah. Okay. The picture that our our accounts but up yesterday where it was like what he looks like now until and what look like cricket first of all incredible posters. So fucking funny. Also that might be the hottest picture in major league baseball. I mean in major league baseball history there. I mean, Bryce definitely has a look to them. But that's like, yes. Like Bryce are. Oh is he doing Instagram like tea leaves all over? What is that? Let me see. I don't. I'm just telling you like, I isn't that what the Instagram thoughts. Do they put the fuck in TI? I don't even care. I don't even care. What's on him? I don't I'll tell you what Eddie made history. This is awkward the hottest picture of all time because you've never seen. Gabe Kaplan and his prime then. Go. Yeah. Have have you? Yes. You think gave you think Bryce Harper than Gabe. Kaplan prime. Yes. I do what about Brad office Google, you would love rat office. I think little brat. Awesomeness shirtless. Does this? Make it awkward for you. When you films John because he looks exactly like Steve Steve looks exactly like price. Really doesn't. Yes. He does. I think Navjot season attractive guy. Does not look like Bryce Harper. Yes. He does. Let me see that picture. He very much looks like Bryce, I don't think. So I mean like he does he like he has the same bearded the same hair, and he has the same fuck in August. Also doesn't have three hundred thirty million dollars. Nobody has professional athlete. No. I do. I do think that Steve can catch Steve is attractive. But that's Bryce Harper. Yeah. But I'm just talking about looks spanned. Steve looks exactly Bryce Harper. That's not true. I need a side by side-by-side. He looks like he doesn't look like Bryce Harper looks like he could be Bryce Harper's older brother, Bruce. Okay. Breed looks like he could be his older brother younger yet with that is. It'd be looks like him Bryce is definitely younger than that. Six. So is Steve. So they know if they are actually I have no idea I've seen hundred sounds about right? I did make that up. I'm gonna be concerned that someone doesn't look like someone else brother is retarded. Well. That that our word hard, you could have siblings that look nothing alike. You could. But also compared it to like Hemi like, oh, no he doesn't look like him. But he could be as brother, the only reason you're saying that is because they are similar you realize that you wouldn't just say that if they weren't have similar hairstyles. That's where it ends and similar beard and a similar face. I mean hairstyle what do they look like and beard? This is fucking. At all. It's not the same. Get fucking Stephen here. Steve around perfect for radio gets even here. So we can goddamn picture of them. Like, I am not the first person to say this. And I absolutely won't be the last you idiots. I'm sitting with two fucking. That's the show is called. That's just now hitting you Clancy. The idiots I. Casey. Ios empty. I love that mov-. Oh, wait, maybe four turn. Got one bottle. Erica has a whole bunch in our office. And I was like, hey can somebody get some wine and Danielle he'd just go take him from areas office. Okay. It's called the wine cellar off. So we need to get another one of those. So fun fact that I've learned in my years of drinking. I have one true kryptonite. You know, everyone has like their, oh if I take the Quila I'm going to get mad. I do this. I do that back. If I drink red wine end Jameson now, it could be a bottle of red wine and one shot of Jameson. It could be seventeen shots Jameson one glass, red wine. It does not matter. Whatever the chemistry is between those two. I will blackout. Do you think you Bryce Harper? Here's how you Bryce Harper. Yes. Or no. So not until not until I got here that I ever get that. But I kind of see it. I I mean just the hair and the beard though, it's not in the air. In the face. The is fucking. You know, I can I can kind of right? On that. I'm over you know, overgrown insane beard right now. But if I shaved a little bit. Yeah. I remember when you went clean shaven. I yet. Yeah. Steve's beard. Also goes like all the way up his face. What pursue? Nobody goes. All the way up to fucking there is like fucking Steve does. But yes, it does. Go to my is. Okay. Let's back you have phones. Yeah. Well, any like, he's got the flow. See now, this is an example right here because I've how long his hair is you can go along here and beard. You can go long hair because how long. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Rice harper. Make this up. It's like he has the whole price. Harper look going. He's also a professional lacrosse players. Probably worth north at three thirty. I just said you don't have one hundred dollars. If you were to take if you were to take the ball and Cup league and overlay that over major league baseball and the performance of the players in if they were quivalent. Yeah. He's he's all the way through it looks like any performs like if you'd be worth more than Bryce probably if if the salaries were comparable, and I salute Bonk up like I agree Bryce Harper's to forty nine hitter. Yes. Yes, you stab jets? Shoe? Had like ten game bulk up. He I mean, he's basically the Joe DiMaggio of the league in. We all kind of know what he'd be worth today if he played set it you guys you guys were wrong. Then I'd it facts are facts officially said for. I don't know if it was. Someone said this kid looks like Harper a little bit. And now, I don't think that like you could be a stunt double. But if you told me that your brother, I believe you I think that that's different. Like that means like you're you're mean, yes, it is close enough. Yeah. And if we cut his hair beard exactly like price Arbor, did he would be goddamn stumped up when somebody came to get you right now to come on radio. What was said does not look like over does. He look like rice, hyper fights. Okay. It's like Chris. It's like, Chris, right? When we didn't know who stabs at she was he's at the Bryce Harper kit. So I mean, not the worst price. No. That's definitely not the worst comparison. But who came and got you. And he said we need to talk to you about Bryce Harper. No his Kevin once you on radio. No idea. What this was about scary. See swinging. Oh, yeah. I was getting I was getting ready to throw hands. But this Harper thing is good news. Yeah. What did you think it was about if it was bad? On this guy likes to start stuff with me. I don't know as true. Well, Bryce Harper. Nothing nothing but love for for Kevin. See how we'll see how often I take chamber. Let's break when we come back. Final segment before the chicks takeover here on a Friday edition Clancy. The rockets power to five. We're back final segment of the day. Final segment of the week. That means it'll be another addition of the Clancy. The rockets best of on Monday. We like thirteen fourteen whatever it is those things could maybe those. But hearing good things cooking thing sales came up to me and said these download numbers. Correct. I said, I don't know. Are they seem staggering? Let's say the show I been doing for like ten years. Maybe maybe. You know, six months so every Monday on the Casey radio tunesfeed. There's the best of the week on the rockets. Plus, we do and additional segment of original content. So you get a a half a podcast in addition to like two and a half hours of of the best of the week, which has been I think let's say we've hit our stride recently between the things that happened in a week Europe, partial sports, honestly, without even maybe exaggerating. I think the amount of content and the amount of controversy and drama and funny shit that goes on Monday through Friday on Justice show is probably like another like a year of like another bloggers like career like the amount of shit that we get embroiled in the interviews. We do the people we talked to. It's like oh that happened a week while that's like a year at deadspin. Yeah. That's been even do podcasting. Like if they discovered that that's show. But I don't know. I mean, they have to have a pod. But do they I would know that I called there has to be something like the deadspin podcasts or something like that. I feel like if it existed somebody here would have dug up some numbers to see your best podcast is equivalent to our worst podcast type deal. Like, I feel like that's something David do. I've never seen any reference to just one podcast that they do the dead the dead pot or something like that the pod spin like how. I'd be interested to actually know if they do a podcast. I don't think that they do how much money would it? Take for you to work a despot. I can't be bought. Good answer. Yeah. I really can't. I'm a joker. I thrive on chaos. No money. They have a deadspin dot com slash podcast. It's called the dead cast. The fucking last episode was dropped on November the twenty first. I mean because no one would listen to something like that. Dillon has been online for an hour and twenty minutes. He was talking about the Dylan. Are you there on time? Not be guys drank on you. Gotta started already. Yeah. Gonna sir. I was gonna talk about the Mets. It's Fridays avenue stress right now. So I was gonna talk to Jerry about his hair and this I'm Dominican I'm from the height. So like, we use this thing all UN, a it's like a vitamin oil, and like your hair like you put that on you won't even need a wetter or nothing just be like. Straight poof out of you want it. I don't know what you get the haircut. Or think that Jared Jared can poll the the Dominican look off. I mean, I'm part the mimicking the Dominican Republic has. Yeah. I'll be like there's some booze that can judge that look like when you start maybe done in Florida talking some Dominicans down starting the trend slow, and you gotta start. Gimme Jews though. If you're going to try to the minute. So that's the point. You got skinny legs you could wear skinny jeans. Yeah. No one. Yeah. A fan. You have yourself dill. You have yourself a goddamn weekend. Okay. You. The weekend. Maybe call back Monday. He was number one guys still. I mean, do it guy. You have the perfect legs skinny jeans. Yeah. What do you think? People are where getting like police runs around where fucking skinny jeans and his fat ass dies. No way, bro. Nobody was Baid legs say skinny legs, can you? I guess I don't know. I mean. I mean, you don't wanna have nothing going on there. You wanna have I understand that you're a Harto, and you think that like like working out in being able to like fucking leg press bunch of pounds of big deal. It's all about how you look man as you look stylish. Cool. You feel like the hipsters who have like skinny jeans tattoos. Fuck a bunch of checks care about how strong legs are steps. Are they don't give Falko? We've we did this with hang for the longest time. Hank was trying to get big you want to go to the road to two hundred fuck that you're skinny you're naturally skinny throwing like a tank top and some black pants gift TAT's, grow your beard out and be a hipster and fuck chicks. It's really all about how you look naked doesn't. I don't think I don't wanna hear that. No. Anyway, let's pretend. Rewind like his there and a race that I don't necessarily mean you have to be like a fucking ten, but I'm saying. Yeah. Obviously, none of us are going to be living up to that standard. But I'm saying like if you like whatever like if you can convince girl that like, you are really hot how whatever she's into hipsters Goths normal people. And then like you get naked. It's like all right, cool. Like, we're here. Who cares? Well, so different if you're like super hot, and then you like somehow get undressed, and it's like one hundred eighty degrees difference. But it's like whatever who care I've I've been talking about this recently like. You gotta you gotta you. Gotta put yourself in the right situations. Where people aren't like, they don't have a full blown view. You naked. If you're skinny fat grows, you get laying down. It's like it's just like walking around is different. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, I would never walk around naked. Yeah. Like walking around, and that's for guys and girls like the second that you start like walking around. It's a little bit different. You know, not. Never gonna even allow there to be like a full body profile. Yeah. Not going to be laying down. You know, you're gonna see certain parts that you can't avoid. But then once that's done. I'm gonna like quickly get under the covers put something back on quickly like. You know, what I mean, I can say that in all my years of hooking up with people. I've never been like that guy's. Biceps aren't big enough. Got skinny fat guy any fag. I so like. Yeah. I'm thirty king you ever how much you looking at this Guinea fatness, not at all. Yeah. Aid kind of getting that vibe. And I was like, but are they just kind of like glancing, look or catching a peak be like all the other that that's fucking growth that guts big. How you make it? I'm saying like if you have convinced me, however, you need to convince me that you are a hot guy, whatever like dressed hair, face, whatever. And unless it's an absolute fucking travesty when you take off your clothes. I'm not gonna notice right? Well, I'm just thinking a lot of times. It's like. For the most part or like make an eye contact while you're like waste up up. And I'm we're talking you might not even be able to see the other person just really kind of right? But that's say like is is it like as I'm having that conversation though. And I'm thinking to myself. All right. She's not looking she liked some love handles fucking depends on what your performance. It's like just saying I'm not even saying I'm saying like afterwards. No. What do you mean? It depends on what time it is. I mean, the later it is I'm going to lower my standards. What time out attractiveness will? Right. Are you like are? You guys are always kind of like catching a peak and looking whatever girls, I feel like are not as visual. And as like are you hot as guys are generally start to speaking? So I'm saying that lake are is a girl being like you're talking to me. And then it's also like, geez, Alex. I recently had a conversation with somebody. That was like, oh, I see that person take their shirt off. And it's fucking gross. I'm like, well, I don't necessarily think that but girls are gonna see things differently than guys. Yeah. That's physically attracted to somebody. Even if like, your girlfriend might not be like, whatever like if they as long as it looks good to me. I don't give shit. Right. Right. Well, yeah. Of course. But I'm just saying, you know, you strategically take your shirt off or you you wait until certain things happen. Yeah. The hide certain things. But then is it like you're still getting caught you're still like they're still catching? Look. Yeah. Well, I mean, also it depends on the age of the person too. Because like when you're twenty two and you're hooking up with other like young twenty people like they're gonna look different. Like, you hit a certain age where like all right? Like like, all right. Like this person is this specific age, and they have like a normal everyday job. Like, I don't expect them to be a fucking six pack and like ripped up. Biceps like, maybe I'd like flow. Somebody take care of themselves. Curl themselves. Take care of you. Not necessarily think. So if they take care of their physical appearance that means they're going to take care of means that they are routine for the that means that they they work hard for things. Ideally. But I think a lot of people who are motivated. Yeah. That to look good for themselves. I've had a lot of narcissistic jeaner that don't like if they're narcissistic I care about how I look I care about doing things for me. But if they're if they're like into like, a good workout regimen. Then that means that they're disciplined, which is good. That means that they're motivated, which is good in those things can translate to you. I guess it's just character of the person. I definitely could. But I mean, I've I used to do cross fit like those that person when I was living in college station, and like the people who I worked out there like great guys. But it wasn't like oh, just because they're like super into themselves or like showering the girls are dating with the same attention. I would actually argue the opposite to absolutely argue. The opposite argue the opposite that people that work out a lot or do specs. What do you know? I I don't think he's actually. Listened to any of this conversation. I would say that the people who look really good and work out and focus on their cell. They're setting themselves in their body are not going to be the most generous of lovers and like. I certainly I will make up for shortcomings. It's like backers try harder that ultra. Yeah. Yeah. You have to be funny. But yeah, but you just guy takes care of himself. Really, well that he's gonna take care of you. And that's just like astronomically. I didn't say that. As a matter of fact, I said it could translate. That's a direct quote. I said if those characteristics, you applied at yeah. Yeah. A lot of guys like, you know, sexy are going to be like, I'm sexy. And that's yeah. Yeah. That's different like work. I'll go down on sexy like. Depends on what you do. There's obviously like the there's Jim Harto's that just like go on there to fucking get huge in those are narcissistic people. But then there's people that are just like I'm doing this to be healthy. And it's like all right. Well, if you're doing that to take care of yourself, you might take care of someone else to it's like, you're your regimen. You work hard. Like, that's a good trait. Hard workers dedicated people good trait dedicated posed those clothes dog. Let the big dog. You know, what's crazy we've had single Kevin for a little bit. Now, we haven't let the dogs out yet. Let them out. I mean like we mean Kevin haven't gone out on a weekend. It could be tonight. I mean, it could be what are you doing tonight? I mean, I got no fucking plans. I'm waiting for Florida on Sunday. If you want to let the dogs out. I know I have things to say. But I'm just not going to say don't say it. Bring a mood down. Then don't. But if you're going to elevate us the mood out if she she's running. Stupid. No, it's not stupid. I can tell you exactly what will happen. If the two of you guys, go out ten thirty. On the couch. And maybe maybe but what I'll be doing this on the couch. Cheer. It's been single for awhile. I don't know exactly what his is going on. But single while Jared sits at bars and talks to people that he's with. But then if he's on he's on his phone and girls will come up, and he's just like literally he won't even look at them. He'll just be on his own. So the two of you are out you will be trying to talk to people and jaryl be like scrolling through fucking Twitter. That is one thing about me is that if I go out if I go in public, I don't really talk to anyone unless I aside from the people that I brought with. Even that though there I could probably count more times than not where we're sitting out at dinner table. They're big three four five six seven whatever and people will have to Jared. Can you get off your phone? So you get to two hundred K, babe. I mean, people have millions of followers and don't you ever thought they have to be like popular like, I'm not popular. I have to work. I it's terrible. I know when people get off your phone. I mean, there's a reason why each sacrifices socially, but my career is pretty good day home. I mean, I gotta eat. Wrong. You're not wrong. But there is just something to like, I I wanna do it. All I don't wanna say I wanna go out. But I want to continue it. I get it. And there's and there's a balance there's about I've had to like during college football games, or whatever. Like, hey, I'm going to have to get on my phone and tweet I'm not trying to be nice. Oh, we're all that way. We're also all very narcissistic in this building. There's no doubt about that. There's also a difference on like, I'm actually having to be on my phone. I Pacific reason. And I just literally don't actually don't want to talk to anybody at this table. So I'd rather look at my phone. That's Jerry crops fact, but you know, what I don't give a shit. Come. They keep going around. I'm to be the one to get him off the phone. Yeah. It's just there's nothing to talk to me about especially like if I go out with Casey, it's like, no the deal. Like, you know, you don't have to catch up. You know, everything that's going on. I don't really care about what's going on with you. So what you just don't have kids. I really don't. I really. I can't wait, wait. Okay. Then. So when fights they shouldn't talk to each other. They know. They're different personalities. Wait. Let me ask you this. Yeah. What does letting the dogs out entail? If that is what you do when you go out sitting and his phone different. It's like if you go with a group, you're gonna talk to the group. But if it's just a couple of dogs than the dog's gotta eat, Kevin. That's right. That's right. So if you. When I go out. Yeah. Couple dog. Yeah. We're gonna eat that some steaks you. And I go out. Joe look at his phone. Yeah. I mean, it's it's like so there's someone else to entertain the other person. So I'll be on my phone. But if it's just a couple of dogs. That's okay. All right. All right. Let's say that let's say that we're gonna go out tonight dog marauding the town. Yeah. What would what would that entail? What happens because I'm new here. I'm being reset into the wild. I am a domesticated to watt. And I'm trying to become a fucking awhile pit bull. Right. Yeah. So let's go out co while dog show me the way. What are you gonna do? Jared. We walk in the bar. And and all here's a thing. Kevin. Jerry, you're Amazon Casey, it is kind of difficult to go. To dudes fact a little bit. It looks like predatory right? It's all right. Guys. Have a conversation with each other. All right. Like they're here to pick up. So you kind of do need like the buffer third. We'll break case along she'll just be like a fucking. Yeah. That looks safer over there whatever's. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of pull the bitches that you're trying to pull. Yes. So wait way way way. I never I want Jared finish what his night of with the dogs would look like. What happens we walk in the bar? I mean, they would just flock. They would know the fucking deal. But I think you do need the buffer third because then it kinds like all right? This to one of the two, right? Right. Right. Gotta do you wanted some pussy dog. So if we have Casey with us, then it's like, it's probably a better if you have the female wing man because then she could be like, oh my God, girl. I love your hair love that we sound like anything. I would do. Yeah. And then the next thing, you know, girls talking to Casey Kasem. Oh, by the way, this is Kevin this is Jared. And then she of Kevin. Thank you. Yeah. Like, that's how it's totally do that for you. All right. So the maybe there's like k dogs out of the can I can't tell you what Sisi K dog allocated, look like it'd be mean Kevin out and Jerry drinking coke on his phone. You say that used to cook your friend one time, it was only one time. But okay. So there's this bar in college station at like a piano bar night and the piano bar guy. That would come in like, you know, those guys just play anything, right? Like like, he was probably there. He had a smoke show girlfriend like smoke, but it was kind of known that they were like not swingers necessarily. But it was valid for it had to be like you better be like slang. And right. So I'd never talked before this girl was a rocket and not only was she a rocket. She had boobs that made mine look teeny tiny. And I I whatever like we'll just breeze on that. So all my guy friends are standing there like, okay? I wanna go talk to the, you know, during the whole guy thing, and they're all like she so high which one do you think of us is like the best guys at the bar play. The piano. But it's just like go talk to her not even necessarily like she's that like she was that hot to them. And of course, we're like twenty twenty one years old. She's probably like late twenties. So it's like even more intimidating, but they're all standing around. Just like oh my God. They can't stop talking about her. And finally like, you know, what you guys are fucking idiots. I'll I'll do it. So I go over there. My hey, do you wanna take a shot? We take a shot. And I don't know what happened like in those countries. But I just kept looking over at them. And they were just like mad that I had done it because they're like you're the only girl in the group, what are you doing? And I thought about maybe introducing them that I was like, no, I'm just gonna do this myself and we start making out bar, and it became like this huge spectacle. There is this whole photo shoot dogs. The photo shoot is like still lives in infamy. My guy friends will every once in a while. I in my brain was like, you guys wanna do it do it. And so it became this whole thing where it was like don't take Casey out like if we're all trying to get the attention of a girl, she's gonna end up doing it too. Now, I'd also like to I'm I'm not by sexual but I'm not by getting. Yeah. My thing. But that your bike curious while I was like, let's go. But what I learned is like if like that to me as a guy I would like, oh that was like motivation like next time. I start talking about how to girls I just go talk to her because not only the guys cut me the girls could Kuchma ahead. I did. And then every single week when we'd go back. She'd be like, hey, girl, then we'd like hang out each other. Each other. Now at this point. Got to find those pictures. I mean, I will give you the pictures as long as they don't sources you. There's no way you can find these pictures. I would have to know not saying that I could find them. I'm just saying we could probably track them down. I mean, I'll track him down and let Kevin see him. But you can't put on the internet. That's fine. Okay deal. So sorry, sorry listeners. I'll have to have it on my cellphone. How much to put your pictures of you may girl out money got a number? That's not that bad. It's really can't like an outrage was in public. I obviously didn't care two thousand bucks. It's not about the money. Here. We open up to Venlo, and we could crowdsource this fucking fashion. Me. There's creeps out there who fucking to making like a hundred and fifty grand. Yeah, I'm trying to protect their marriage. Kevin. Actually, if your wife I was completely sarcastic. Because that guy's probably sitting there going. He trust me every single time. I'd come out there playing. He took a lot more of my requests from that day on that. Piano. I'm sure I could get them right now. Actually, let me let me search. I don't I don't have them on my phone, but I can get them. Pretty quiet. All right. Let's go. Okay. I'm gonna take three minutes. I know. But see now, I'm having to text my friends really married now they're gonna be like I'll be happy to take those out for those guys. I guarantee whoever whoever you get in contact with. We'll send it back within three seconds phone. I'm telling you, I have bookmarked. I have it as my favorite. Don't worry. All right. I've I've sent out about signal hold were you this photograph is a photograph had to be after twenty one. So. I have probably twenty one twenty two I had to have been after that. After that age for girl, the pictures, married. She I don't think she was at the time. But she is now. Yes, she was in. I think her late twenties when this happened. I guess she. Kuker BCC, right? I've I'm gonna find him we've established contact. Yeah. Go find him that she that was pretty quick. He's on. We're really good run out of time. She's like no do. I don't think that we're gonna get them before the end of the show, it doesn't matter. But even just respond, okay? No provocation. His I'm just saying it was it was I was so competitive, I was so competitive in that moment that I was just like, you know, what you guys are sitting around acting just like scared of girls, do it. And I did it's so hard to go to a girl like that so much easier to be a girl to go to like that. Probably. No, definitely. Oh, yeah. I'm like I was doing it simply to spite. No, I guess I get it. I stand there any longer and be like, oh my God. How much longer we going to talk about going to buy this girl fucking drink? I'll do it. The only girl in that group. There was like five five mile getting for you wrote that you're gonna get that. No sit around will be Jared. Go out for two hours other Twitter. Twitter.

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Huey Lewis' News: Giants Fan Has New Album

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Huey Lewis' News: Giants Fan Has New Album

"Hi this is John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle and what a special honor to have Huey Lewis on our giant splash podcast. He grew up in the bay area giants fan in their early years in San Francisco and played a lot of ball himself. His career is nothing short of amazing as a singer Songwriter. And after and Huey Lewis and the news of a new album weather which we discuss along with some other cool stories on his music but I missed the first of a two part podcast. Qe share some great baseball stories. About Willie mays Bruce Bochy Dave Righetti. Lon Simmons is amazing renditions of the National Anthem and much more we get into little forty niners and maybe his days as a softball player. Which all too familiar with enjoy part one. Well thanks for joining me. Healy what a pleasure man How you doing these days Well you know. Stay at home. Mostly I live in Montana at the time so we have we have a little larger place to to shelter in place but But we're we're playing pretty cool out your do well. You've always been a busy guy doesn't matter what decade what era hand you've always taken life to its fullest but you're sheltering now so what keeps you busy these days while. I'm a veteran reading. My hearing collapsed to two years and four months ago and so am able to music as cacophony for me right now so and television. It's Kinda hard to watch. I can hear you because I'm have hearing aids a Bluetooth and all that but But I I've been reading a lot actually in and working around the ranch. Wow so what do you read right? I just finished a Michael. Both fields book on Michael Booth Coke Guitar King A- Michael Bloomfield life in the blues. Really great I recommend to everybody Dan Dan wrote it. It's it's wonderful. Not only about Michael. But about the era of the late sixties and early seventies and in San Francisco allotted. No valley lives in valley and stuff and the butterfield blues band. Were a big influence on me. So I've been is a long book. It's over seven hundred pages it's It's it's really great. One Guitar King. Yeah Mike Bloomfield major inspiration for a lot of people in the bay area back in the day. Well you have a wonderful new album weather and I'm hearing it. I'm loving it There's so much they're a wonderful assortment of Blues of R&B Funk Rock even country which familiar yes. That's you though The you know lot of your albums are like that looking back We're kind of all over the place in terms of types of music and types of inspirations by the way I think that's fair to say we always have diverse diverse tastes there in even even our snorts record at Honky tonk blues on it different. Stop but Yeah and I've always been warned against that but but it just comes naturally. I mean you write songs that that the Muse gives you come into your head. So that's that's kind of the way that goes but the this record was you know. We were D- compiling. It'd been awhile since last original record for several reasons number one. We're not. We're not all prolific. There's ripe old age number two we had you know we're doing seventy five shows a year and with travel. That's a Lotta days on the road. We have lives so there wasn't a lot of time and also it's. It's tough to come up with as you know was ideas when you've already had a few so But what we were doing was compiling. Saw As we've had a song wrote a song we'd record it put it in the can and just compiling. Can we had ten of them and then going to release the records And figuring it didn't matter how long that was as long as the van was good and we were we were actually better than ever We just wait to ten songs and as long as we're good we stay away did matter how long we stayed away as long as it was good. And so we have these seven things recorded and mixed and my hearing collapse so We waited kind of a year. See if I could if that was going to remedy itself and it didn't so We thought we just you know. Share them with fan so we release it yes. This was years in the making like you said seven songs and I'd like to hit on all that but I remind that this is actually a baseball. Podcast which is also in your wheelhouse also back in the day. You are a pitcher and shortstop and you grew up in the bay played a lot of ball. You love the game. You grew up in Marin County following the game. The candlestick days The peak time for a lot of legends and you saw a lot of them What a great era. What what was that like in your youth following baseball in the Bay and playing the game here was fantastic. I mean I remember. You know I remember the mccovey. Shot the bobby. Richardson in the World Series vis a foot higher we win. I remember may sliding into flame the dodgers in the in the in the pennant playoff kicking the ball out of Johnny Roseborough Glove. I remember the VIC words cats. You know all that stuff so we were a big giants fan and and you know. Watch maze in his heyday. It just doesn't get any better as you know. I mean he was renowned. No right wasn't he who is selected him the best player ever. Yeah Joe Posinski of the athletic their one hundred and Lo and behold ruth was number two not number one which is probably correct right. You agree with that don't you? Well the thing is for two reasons number one they say well babe hit more home runs than other teams and he was a pitcher and I would say well. If maze were pitcher in the twenties and thirties. Baby he would do the same thing. He had a great arm But no men of color was allowed to play a major league game of course and and you know as a result I mean the the babe actually played. You could say inferior competition. I mean when mays came along they were whites and blacks and Latinos right The baby never had to play against Negro League teams except in exhibitions. Or whatever. So you could say. Willey's competition was a lot more than the base no question and and he played the whole game right. I mean great. He was a great outfielder. He could run hits the threat on the basis of his his. His base running alone was amazing. You know amazed I mean. He played every aspects and also importantly made his teammates much better. It was a wonderful teammate. Yeah exactly what I got. I got to play golf with him. A couple of times and And he was a great teammates. Golfie and I play these my drummer Bill Gibson and Bob Barr is no longer with but And I mean maze was into it like ten. You know he was so great and he was pumping me up and we're talking and I mean it was. It was like it was like the last game of the world series are little golf game and mammoth you fine. I mean and this was late in his life and he was just just fun as as I'm sure he still is. He's he's always been a kid you know yeah and was this at Pebble Beach Share Nights. Okay San Francisco. Yeah well have a poll beach story. They'll be it I I have. I've played in the world series in this. I'M GONNA give my pal John Richter shout here. Who's the big giants fan lives in Britain Marantz and is golfing friend of mine and he and I were playing at the world series of Golf Sick? It's called the Pebble Beach and we're pretty with Don Robinson because the caveman back in the day the picture and and pitchers and And John Rector says was caddying for me just because we're having fun down there he says all candy for you and so we're pretty down. Robson and John says the Dan he says. When was the last time we talked out? Rose and he says Oh. I haven't talked to him in a while but I'm going to have to next week. Is You know we're going to get fired up again for spring. He says when you met when you when you talk to them mention Dave Righetti because Righetti was playing out his last year with the Yankees. And he's The bay area boy he says and I knew that because Righetti had come to early Huey Lewis a news. Gigs in Palo Alto and we. You know we're we're kind of fans as he was kind of a fan of ours and so on and and That lunches Oh yeah really. No kidding says yeah Well I will then. So next thing we know Giant China Righetti. And and now I read in low cones columns. When he interviews out Rosen? They said why did you sign. Righetti wealth shoot. He's a bay area guys that I never even thought of until Don Robson mentioned it. Oh my goodness so John. Rick Bell was responsible for for rags. Coming over to the giants. That's good that's that's that's our story we're sticking to it. He was a big factor in that in that ninety three team. That won one hundred and three games does get. How manages was the pitching coach for five? Yeah you know. That's that's pretty amazing. He and Ron Wada's believable staying power. That just doesn't happen Because once a manager comes in and he cleaned house as we see right now and brings in his own guys is is loaded still there. Yeah he's only been over mid forties on that stash should date. They should make him manager. I always say yes. I remember game. When Bush got thrown out and manage the rest of the game in fourteen fifty innings and use everybody and it was a managerial coup de Gras and fantastic's and I call boats the next day what he said really know kitten voters as he could definitely manage. Hey he proved it in the minors. When you're ace. Bench coach On Championship teams Is Available and in your you know your often the next guy up but for whatever reason it didn't happen for him when they never they never they never they never go within from within they never elevates from within the always get. Somebody else seems like. Yeah not since Why is that well? It's probably because general manager might want to put his own stamp on things. I mean you could go back to dusty Baker who was a coach share before he became a manager didn't does he coach for the dodgers. All right well. He coached under Roger. Craig Okay Okay. Yeah and you go back to Roger Craig the national anthem through Acapella. Beautiful stuff over the years from candlestick to the new ballpark with the forty niners with the giants. I think you created a lot of lasting friendships with your associations would bay area sports teams but How how did you get that GIG And how how did you start doing the anthem in these parts because was classic stuff whenever you came out to the park and it was often in the postseason on a national stage as well. Yeah I mean I think the first one we did was for the AIDS and they taped it and then they then they kept playing did campaign the tape. Yeah and so And the idea and then you know we got to do it. James niners asset. And we've never done a world series though because the world series has always handled from the office in New York we always we always do the NFC championship game but when it went to the series New York would say thank you very much. We'll take it from here and you know it'd be Mariah Carey. Well were you not scheduled to do game? Four and eighty nine before the earthquake hit prior to game three. We were there but we didn't do the welcome you're GonNa but we didn't do the answer. Yeah Yeah Yeah but Yeah that was the thing about doing the anthem is. It's only you know it's nerve-racking 'cause it's hard and there's a delay and all that kind of stuff and we do it acapella which is hard also but The good news is there's only two minutes long and you get the best seats in the House. Really seemed to have fun with it and you were loose around the field and clubhouse but if I'm not mistaken you can't have had game face once it's not easy. It's not easy number one and in the park with a with a delay that comes out you saying and then you hear your voice come out like a second later. He has strange whether concerts colder than candlestick park concerts. Colder than adults per se. Oh we played outdoors Salt Lake City in the for the for the Olympics the Winter Olympics it was like twenty eight degrees. We played outside. We'll be back with more Huey Lewis right after this short break. Hey Audrey Cooper here editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and we've ramped up the news coming at you from fifth emission except not the physical for the mission since we're all working at home the fifth and mission. That is our flagship news. Podcast were interviewing anyone with anything to say about the corona virus so that you have the latest information as soon as we know it so check it out. Fit The mission wherever you get your podcasts. Oo Say Star spangled That was Huey Lewis and the news with the national anthem before game. Three of the eighty seven playoff series giants cardinals at cal State Park. Welcome back to giant splash. Where speaking with you Louis and Huey Bob. Seger tweet it out. After alkaline died recently that really loved. K-line that K Line and maize were two of his favorite players. Have you had some pretty good conversations with other musicians over the years about baseball because th- There's so many folks like yourself in the industry who loved the Game Yet wrought Michael? Keaton is become a friend. We fish together. He lives in Montana to and and he's the Pittsburgh pirates fanatic. So we talk. We talk baseball a lot. There and I remember the old We remember the fires back in the day was startling. All deal out that they're great arezzo and he's he's still open they're gonNA return but Yeah but but LOT LOT MUSIC AND MUSIC. Sports are interesting to say. You know. We're a lot of like we we we spend a Lotta time in coliseums and take showers together and I always hear musician musician saying man. I love the game. I wish I could play that I hear ballplayers say man. I love the music. I wish I could play. There seems to be a real crossover. That's how we first met Joe Montana and Dwight Gooden runny Lott and and And Ricky Ellison at at at the damage at the bare musical arts once and then And they said they. I think they were there to present an award or something we met and they said. Hey looks once you let us sing on one of your songs? We'll let you think he snaps a great soap so we got him just to get. Those four guys came in sang on on. If they're the guys in the back. Yeah it was funny. Actually because you know we use those four guys and And we tripled tracked him. We did it like three times and it sounded like one hundred people and On the next record sport we had a song called. I know what I like. We wanted that same idea we would. We'd have them shout and then we put little harmonies over the top of them so it sounded like a whole big gang of people thinking you know and so we tried a next week. We have something we want to try to that effect so we did that ourselves. We went out shout out. I like but it sounded so weedy compared to the forty niners finally we had to go up to Rockland and taped them singing either like in order to get. That sounds 'cause they're big. They got big voices. You know funny. Yeah well I I imagine you grew up listening to Russ Hodges and Lon Simmons and it just on me A lot of times I used to see you guys hang out with lawn or maybe Lon was hanging out with you At least Bill Gibson. The drummer was their connection with you guys and and and lawn. Oh yeah I I was. I was Russ Hodges as paper boy. In when he lived in Shannon Shannon No valley yeah and then and then But later on we got to know lawn through. I think we first met at a golf serve but when mccovey golf tournament probably and we got real close and Spend a lot of time with him towards the end. Yeah he was. Lying was great yet all the great stories. Oh Yeah One guy and smart and funny and just such a pleasure to hang out with really fun year Baseball Career Huey. I mean you moved your family from New York in Nineteen fifty five three years before the giants showed up. You grew up in Mill Valley Strawberry Point School. Ed McGuire Middle School before they built Detroit. Who Middle School and then you went to Prep School in New Jersey and you play ball there You pitched a bit. You played them short. What was that experience like? All of a sudden you know heading east because you're so young man now is great. You know I had two great coaches growing up one in Mill Valley Clarence Bush who was From insulted from Texas and he was just a great great coach in and taught us the game properly. And then I had another great coach. Lawrenceville called Jim Wa who's WHO's also our poetry teacher English in poetry teacher and it's still alive and We convenes we convene bunch of once a year sometimes to to kind of he gives each is an English class. He does he we did. The natural was one of his favorite books. You know Madame Medicine natural and he he would teach it and as I lay dying also heavy stuff but but but he was a great great coach and And a lot of fun to play with by for I'm only played Infield shortstop but But my senior year We didn't have much of a pitching staff and so i. I volunteered that pitch at work. My way up the number two guy. Wow that's amazing. Career might be too big a word for my baseball when baseball percents. We'll come on. You had a perfect score on the math. Sat and you're going to cornell in the engineering department and you're going to play ball there but thanks cut a detoured from there. Right true to you off bummed around Europe and discover the harmonica music of US Ross. Yeah didn't didn't play it. Didn't go out didn't go out for the team when I go just joined. Bands played music. Wendy the harmonica move ahead of the glove Right then yeah and then but then of course there wasn't over because I came back to. Marin county joined clover and then we had a softball team to play your team. Jose Magnolia we have supple game some some bitter bitter rivalry we had U N. Okay now. Now let's get person you'll know that yet they do now. Yeah that was mid seventies You back yes softball that was before tournaments and leagues. I'm talking mid seventies southern Lorenzo and. Yeah you're playing. The clover band was the green uniforms and Leroy. Jose Magnolia with purple uniforms. I was seventy you know I think we. I think we you guys won. Probably won more games than we did but we drink more beer than you had more fun. No I live for times. Man That was a blast Because the name of the team was clover and that was your band at the time before the guys from clover and the guys from sound holes kind of destroyed with Huey Lewis and the news and that was that was classic Mill Valley stuff. I mean fat factory guys from the original band Johnny. He'll get some shots John Hopper still with you now. I mean. That's awesome sustainability row. Shoot I mean billy and I went to Ed McGuire at the same time because he was a year younger given class. But Yeah we we could say. We grew up together. So that was that. In those days in the sixties and Seventies. I mean everybody was in a band. That was what we that's what you did and it was live music everywhere. It's hard it's hard to fathom now but in those days you know they didn't have near the recorded. Nobody's spun records deejays. It was all live music in clubs and there. Was you know in our early days? In the late seventy mid mid seventies all through the seventies. There was five. Different clubs would have live music in. Marin County. Yeah. It was unbelievable. In fact my three older brothers played a bunch of music and still do we live up near. The CIPOLLINI is on the mountain. There Mario Your Old Bass player and your shirt from quicksilver and Alex call came out and played a couple of guys from the band Played softball with everybody. That was that was good broil park and Maguire all these fields around the county. No Pires kind of Fast Pitch. But yeah you're right. It was hardcore man. You had good players. You guys were loaded really fun. We look forward to it. Yeah well you're in Montana. Is Marin still home? Is Mill Valley still home? The partially out you know. We have the studio engineer cells. So we we we. We make our records in our our offices there and our hersal space and all that so. I still. I still get there from time to time but I pretty much stay out here in Montana where you know more cheese less rat were. Your parents into sports are baseball. I mean they were artistically inclined. Your Dad was a drummer. Your mom was an artist who hung out with poets. Your Dad was a doctor by trade but loved a big band. Jazz and dixie scenes. Never let my dad played a little ball. He was a caffeinated played. Played a little ball. Yeah I mean he played with me you got. You gave me my start. You know we bleed. Catches was a young kid. Yeah so yeah. Thanks for joining us for part. One of this giant splash podcast with Lewis. In part two we will get deeper into hueys new album weather including a video for one of the songs that features a certain giants manager who three championships and we share a bunch of stories on Hueys Childhood Idol Willie mays and a lot of other cool stuff. Stay tuned for part to the giants. Splash is a production of the San Francisco. Chronicle podcast producers King Kaufman and Allen Johnson. The theme Song Batter Up was written and performed by Lauren. Gold and Ray. 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Gabe Kapler and Dave Roberts Pick Their I-5 Series Lineups

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Gabe Kapler and Dave Roberts Pick Their I-5 Series Lineups

"Hello and welcome to a joint. Giant splash as plus podcast. I'm Henry Schulman the giants beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle and today you will hear a zoom call featuring dodgers manager Dave Roberts and giants manager gave Kappler. They have selected the starting lineups and the top three starting pitchers for our interstate. Five world series to be played on the AP BA or APPA simulation game more than one hundred thousand readers of the chronicle in Los Angeles Times voted and picked to thirty four player. Teams of all time greats who grew up in northern or southern California. Those teams will face off in a best of seven simulation later. This month and the results will be published in both papers. My Co host on the call was her. Hey CASTILLE. The dodgers beat writer for the Los Angeles Times joining us with Roberts and Kappler were chronicle columnist Bruce Jenkins and Times Assistant Sports editor Houston Mitchell. Who will manage the teams in the simulation? You'll hear the entire zoom call on interrupted after this. The twenty twenty baseball season like all sports is on hiatus. But we at the chronicle know that you still wanna hear from giants players coaches managers and other baseball news makers on the giants. Splash podcast. I'm beat writer Henry. Showman colleague John Shea and I plan to keep you informed in print online and here on the splash especially on the important matter of when baseball will resume the giants splash available on your favorite podcast APP. Well thank you everybody for joining us. This is going to be a lot of fun We've all been trying to figure out ways to get involved in baseball during the Hiatus here I am Henry Shulman. I'm the giants beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle and on the CO host. Mike Mike Ojos today is what? Hey custody. Oh who's the dodgers beat writer for the La Times and then we have a distinguished Group of people on the line here who We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA come up with the LINEUPS and starting pitchers for a seven game world series hitting all the greats who grew up or raised in the bay area or northern California and all the greats who raised or born in southern California. And once you start by letting US know who you have here from so cal. Yes so Sammy mentioned on my name is what custodio guys reporter for the La Times. I'm here alongside. Houston MITCHELL ASSISTANT. Sports editor here. At The Times. We'll be managing the team. What's going on next week? AUTHORITY THIRTY FOUR. Roster Abe Roberts here today to pick the starting lineup the three-man rotation he thought about this long and hard I know that for a fact. Different lineups depending on starting pitchers he. He's he's all land so it's GonNa be a great little Project experience something like like Henry sets something different for you guys You know an opportunity. Maybe ask some semblance of baseball and an opportunity for dating engaged to presents. The lineups haven't done that in a while a couple of months at least right from March twelfth March eleventh so a chance to do something a little different here. The naked feel like base. It's baseball season again in a month and a happy nine. She had some real baseball in the meantime this and have a little fun with it. Okay I also should point out. I have but to people from northern California. We're going to represent northern California for you but myself the writer who came up with this Bruce Jenkins and gate. Kappler the manager of the giants. All of us are from southern California. So they're slipping a little about about this right off the bat. It might be in the bag for so cal here so I have by. Giants manager gave Kappler. Who is in his first year with the giants and was supposed to exchange real lineup. Cards with Dave Roberts on March twenty six in the season opener. And I also have Bruce Jenkins my colleague at the chronicle columnist Ease the representative for Malibu used to be And bruce the one who kind of devised this Poll whole series the whole concept and If you could just kind of briefly bruce let us know what the Genesis wasn't how this is GonNa work well. Pba You ever you you get seasons you get the last season. I think I got my first season for my dad in nineteen sixty seven play along seasons. It's all great and you can do things like let's replay the nineteen eighty nine world series. Maybe there won't be an earthquake stuff like that but I kinda tired of this team today existed at start thinking more like all star teams and AP can create an awful lot of stuff for a and finally came up with this idea. What about the all time? Northern California gets southern California. Excuse me a based on the grew up not necessarily where born but where the grew up which which gives you Jackie Robinson from Pasadena by way of Georgia and East Bay by way of Texas And it just evolved from there. I created the teams just kind of for me and I was GONNA play John Shea on the phone next thing you know we get the La Times involved We get a PBA involved. We get Gabe Kaplan David Robertson. All it turned into this terrific saying that role excited about it. And I think it's GonNa be fun and Houston you you have been A. Pba Player You you know about this stuff right. I have been planned since nineteen eighty and they would be remiss if I didn't point out that if you call a PBA to them they will get mad at you. It's APPA and Ivan planned for a long time but No one's here to to listen to me proud along. I'm looking forward to any advice. Dave can give me to make sure the southern California team from sound. Okay well we got one hundred thousand people From both readers of the La Times a San Francisco Chronicle who voted to create to thirty four man teams of You know with three three players in each position including a D. H. Plus I believe it was something like What got ten pitchers and maybe nine out at ten pitchers ten outfielders so What Dave and gave Graciously allowed are doing is is. They're going to pick starting LINEUPS for game one and and the starting the first three starting pitchers and And then Bruce and Houston are gonNA play the Games and then it'll be done in one night and we'll have stories in the paper and online saying a WHO won One thing for you fans who are on there there is a queue a button down on on your screen somewhere It at the end of this. We're going to have fans ask questions of gave. And Dave specifically about why they chose certain guys what they think of their teams things like that. Please no no questions about You know a free agency and That's ever GONNA. Is He gonNA resign all that sort of stuff and so you can ask the questions and we'll Alan I believe is going to call them and then I will or hand. I will ask our respective managers The questions for you right now. We're GONNA flip a coin to see who the is going to be a two three two format just like the real world series. So we're going to flip a coin for the Home Field advantage since I have the coin They do have they do have the. Okay Okay Dave. Dave who uncovered heads or tails tails. It is it is heads so the northern California team will be the home team so as we do this will will get Dave's Team I and Why don't we start with the starting pitchers for Game One To to really really really great pitchers Dave who who do you have starting for Southern California team in game one I would go with Drysdale Don Drysdale Drysdale's a good friend of mine and but this is not a sentimental choice. I feel good about drizzle started. Okay and gave. We took a long time to figure out. But WHO'S GONNA BE? You're starting a we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go with the big unit or GonNa we're GonNa Start Randy Johnson This the strikeouts were just too compelling and figured it it might make Matching up a little bit more difficult. With the lefty on the mound. I know I know. How clever doc is with with match these but Figured if we if we turned Eddie Murray around may making it from the right side and somehow avoid Christian Yelich it made sense to get the big unit out there. That was that was the move. Okay and what we're GONNA do. I is We're going to go over this position by position First and then at the end the managers will give us the batting orders and What we'll do is starting with We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA read the list of the players who won the election. Who are on the team at each position And then We'll then we'll ask the managers which one they picked in. Why so Or Hey if you wanted to start at first base who were the WHO were the three first Baseman who were on the the the three choices Dave had a make. I'm not envious of his position. Here where Eddie Murray from so one thing to keep in mind here guys. People watching is from one specific season. You know. This isn't over. The course of you know guys career so at nine eighty two Baltimore. Orioles hit three sixteen year. Thirty two home runs We got the Mark Maguire obviously is ninety eight season. Change Baseball Baseball. Some people are you alive. Seventy home runs at your obviously and then we got west. Park of the nineteen seventy dodgers. So those are Daves three choices and another reminder. He made his lineup specifically against the left-hander Randy Johnson sending us to keep in mind. Dave is it was on it so so yeah before you guys go crazy on twitter There is a also involved So just keep that in mind and Randy Johnson has gave mentioned Strikeout guy lethal on lefties So my first baseman is going to be Eat DRINK and be Murray Andy Murray Okay and now for the Northern California team. I don't have the Standi or hey I'm not as As prepared but the choices here for the first base on the northern California Team Willie stargell from the seventy three pirates. As I mentioned. It's it's it's one season. It specifically the best season that these guys had in their careers. Suggestively his choices. Were Willie stargell Keith. Of Seventy three pirates Keith Hernandez of the seventy-nine cards and Bill Buckner of the nineteen eighty cups. In a gave you went with it. Yeah Those are some some really difficult choices but Willie stargell in in his best year was was an absolute animal. So it's actually turned out to be a pretty easy choice and he's GonNa slot right in the middle of our lineup Give us a chance to stagger some right left and make it a little bit more difficult to to matchup against okay a horny. We got a second base. Now yes days. Choices were Jackie Robinson from the forty. Nine dodgers Two thousand giants and chase leaf in the two thousand six phillies. Obviously as gave mentioned. We all have some great choices. There's nothing wrong with any of those guys but I chose the man from Pasadena City College went to Ucla and then went to Brooklyn the dodgers so none other than Jackie Robinson. Wow I think he would have made a good bench guy by man that good coming off the bench for Shiite he would look good coming up a pinch running steel a base all right for the Northern California team the second basement and I'm actually reading these. In order of how many votes they got dot among the hundred thousand people who voted and But of course the managers Gave and Dave were free to pick whomever they want weren't bound by who got the most votes Second Base for Northern California. We have Joe Morgan. From the seventy six or heads. We have Kushima time from the nineteen twenty. Set a nineteen twenty nine Yankees He was part of that. Great Lineup with Garrick Ruth. All those guys and then Dustin Pedroia from the Red Sox who grew up in woodland is a little town about an hour and a half northeast of San Francisco so gave Yeah Henry. This one was was pretty easy to. It's it's Joe Morgan People forget what incredible well rounded player Joe Morgan is you look at him. And he's a little bit underside. But the dude. Good Bash It's homers gets on-base plays in the middle. Yeah this was. This one was easy as well. Okay we'll move along shortstop or yes. I got a Ozzie Smith at eighty seven cardinals Dinner hit a home run that year but obviously plays great defense Nomar Garciaparra with two dozen Red Sox year hit three seventy two an Alan Trammell of eighty seven tigers love mall but I went with no more. I think that you're talking about that starter for game one for the nor CAL team In the unit you gotTa try to find a way to slug that guy and you're not gonNA put hits together against Randy Nomar. He might get a slider down in and hit went into the seats if I can just barge in here that number three choice was actually Robin. Yount. Mvp Eighty two. And I didn't have robin you out. Bruce I just I had Alan Trammell also have an. Mvp Eighty two. I didn't know why didn't get that as an option so blame. Jorges admit now. I didn't either and this is what I've got this email that I got apologies day. Okay but we'll work this out. If we can but for the shortstop for the Nash over the Northern California's I WANNA point out that. The two people who just missed the cut our guys who are very popular now. Brandon Crawford and Marcus Simeon. They didn't make the cut for shortstop in a Nor CAL team Gapes choices were deployed to Lewinsky from the South Bay? Jimmy Rollins From the East Bay and Joe Cronin from the nineteen thirty senators got got some love here. so Who who is going to be starting shortstop agape what will it start with a pointing out that might get a little comes back from crawl on this match? He's he's GonNa be watching carefully here but Yeah this was too low for me All this talk. Gero is such a good all around baseball player and such an igniter at the top of the lineup. Here here it was too low just given the all around player that he was at that time and the numbers he was putting up for the rockies in a pretty friendly hitter environment. Okay Now we have The Hot Corner Third Base Third Base we George Brett with nineteen eighty royals Three ninety that year Eddie Mathews Nineteen fifty-three braves and Nolan our NADO. The twenty-seven Robbie's Again understanding that The Big Unit Nolan or not. Oh I think that George Brett Mattheus tremendous players hall of famers. But I think that if you're talking about ninety seven ninety eight the slider that comes from seems like the first base dugout. I've been in that box. That Guy Lefties don't slug him so I think that you look at what Nolan does against left. Handed pitching gets on base in slugs. And you're going to. You're not gonNA find a better third baseman. So Nolan took the start against the unit. Okay and if there's any way you can program Are not think he staging giants pitching. Welcome immensely I'll do my best. Okay gave up three choices at third base here that the fans voted Carney Lansford. Ken Committee and Stan Hat from the one thousand nine hundred ninety thirty eight cups. Henry thank you we. We went with We went with committee here and again. This is your kind of like Docs lineup. He's got some guys that had huge ears and maybe if it was going for the entire career he would have made different choices. I felt the same way With Committee he's just so tough you know there's their stories out there about him being sick on certain days during that magical season and him getting IV and trainers telling him not to go out on the field and play him ripping the IV out of his arm. Saying I'm playing and We needed a little toughness. And so he gets the nod at third base. All right We'll move to the outfield contract out. Let's go to catch your because that's the next one on the list So yes so catcher We have Gary Carter of the Nineteen eighty-four Expos Lance Harish thousand nine hundred tigers and Bob Moon of the nineteen eighty-eight. Angels with the Kid Gary Carter he's GonNa be The battery up for this entire series. A wonderful that's inside dope for gay. Your information near game yet. Okay The catcher the Catcher for the Northern California team We had Ernie Lombardi the schnauzers from the Nineteen. Thirty eight reds. Who was at the time considered these slowest athlete in Human History We also have by Stephen Vote. He was a great hitter though. Stephen Vote From two thousand fifteen as and Joe Ferguson from nineteen seventy nine dodgers a Guy. I rooted for as a kid growing up in La. I so who's GonNa Catch The Big Unit Game One. Yeah Henry that's GonNa be that's GonNa be Lombardi so Stephen Vote because you know we love the emotional leader that he is actually turned out to be a hard choice and only be open about Lombardi at all. I had to go back and research. But not in his best year that for eighteen weighted on base average I don't care how slow he is. He's in the line. Yeah and you know. He talked about that Weighted on base average a lot of back in nineteen thirty nine in the outfield There were nine outfielders. You made the team and I think even the southern California team would admit that the northern California team is pretty stacked here. But Hey if you wanted to kind of quickly. Rabble hoffy benign outfielders. Who will be on the team? And then ask Dave which three depict yeah so I off Ted Williams. Nineteen forty one. Red Sox your Poro. Six Twenty Grand Ninety four padres. You're hitting three ninety four Duke Snider from the fifty four Dodgers Christian Yelich on this past season. Twenty Nineteen Brewers Fred Lynn seventy nine red SOx Ralph kiner for the nineteen forty nine Pittsburgh pirates dusty Baker from the nineteen eighty dodgers George Foster from the seventy seven reds and bobby bonds from the seventy three giants. Dave alright going from left to right. You want me to do all three or just the fielder okay. Going from left to right Splendid SPLINTER Ted Williams in left Field Duke Snider in center field and pulling up a right field is Mr Padre Tony Gwynn. Okay and Let's let's get to the northern California list Is this is? This is a great list. Yoda Maggio Ricky Henderson. Barry Bonds Barry Bonds you came in third behind Rickman Dimaggio which was interesting Up here Frank Robinson. Let do dual who of a lot of you folks might not know but he He won two batting titles including nineteen twenty nine billion which is The year he is here. Willie McGee Aaron judge currently with the Yankees curt flood and Harry Heilmann From the nineteen twenty-three Tigers. So which three did you select? Y'All go from left to right here as well And just like dot pointed out earlier in the call. Wait to pass judgment until we talk about the D. H. Here that's an important. It's an important ricky. Ricky Henderson plays plays left field for US. And by the way like these weren't especially tough choices once we knew we had the D. H. Frank Robinson will play right and jolt. Joe Dimaggio will play center for us. Okay well that's a pretty. That's a pretty good outfield. Right there. we will move onto the designated hitter and your choices while the prices are pretty much anybody all right. That's it made the list so David who's your. I know you were a little back and forth on this The D. H. A. Against Randy is GONNA be mark. Maguire and I think there's a name that you haven't uttered yet Gabe who's going to be the D. H. For the nation of the Northern California James. Who WOULD THAT BE BERRY BERRY? Bonds is going to be the DA. What I think for a couple of years was was the The greatest seasons offensive seasons in major league history so so Very bonds gets an oddity. Okay now we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do the batting order now and it just funny. It's funny to me. Ueli the managers who they pick second to bat at such a modern thing you know these are not abundant and I joked with Gabe about that You know this. This is not the traditional get on base Bonham over get him in type of lineup. Night on either team So a day. Would you mind telling us what? You're batting? Order is going to be all right leading us off for for the southern California allstars. Jackie Robinson hitting in the two hole Ted Williams and I don't think Gabriel Shifted IN OUR VIRTUAL DISAPPEARANCE. Don't splendid splinter number three Eddie Murray and I like the switch-backs so you know when they WANNA Kinda match up. We could get Eddie on the left side to mark Maguire in cleanup nomar hidden in the five. The Duke Duke Snider hitting in the six Nolan Aeronautical hitting seven Tony gwynn which I don't think he's ever hit eighth in his entire life. Unfortunately so Tony Gwynn Junior Don't don't hold it against me. I'm hitting your father a so he's hitting a it gets the unit and Gary Carter the kids at night. Okay and got engaged Your team is going to be facing Don Drysdale so we know that whoever the number one pitcher Dr Hitter is he's going to get knocked on his but in the first pitch of this series. That's what bound rise. Dale did So what is your lineup? I feel pretty good about Ricki Henderson's confidence in that scenario. I feel like he's right. And you know what if you get hit? He's on first base. Ricky effort maybe third base third maybe third base very bonds it second. I liked docs call with Williams in the two hole That's Kinda scary up at the top Robinson and then Ted Williams Frank Robinson hits third for us then Willie stargell like I said that historic season Joe Dimaggio Hits Fifth Joe. Morgan comes in behind the Maggio. Then Ken Caminiti Troy to Lewinsky and Lombardia and the nine hole to round out okay and before we start analyzing the teams here Just two things first of all if you do have a question for any of the managers regarding these teams use the QNA button on zoom and The only question I have so far is where gave got his cap. So we'd like it to be a little more With a conversation the one thing we didn't do Or Hey if you could read vert is if you could read the list of the The pitchers that all the pitchers who made the team And then maybe gave could say who would like to bat or like Pitch Game Two and game three yes so I don Drysdale which is the game. One starter Walter Johnson from the nineteen thirteen senators. Jim Palmer from the Seventies Orioles. Rollie fingers from eighty. Brewers Trevor Hoffman from the ninety. Eight padres Bret Saberhagen eighty nine. Royals Stephen Strasburg from the seventeen nationals Garrett Cole from the Twenty Nineteen Astros Bob Lemon for the nineteen fifty two Indians in burp Levin from the seventy three twins. Okay Dave doody think WHO'S GONNA Fish Game? Two in game three in your mind game too. There are some tough ones. Obviously there's a lot of obsolete of great choices but I'm GonNa go with Walter Johnson and the strikeout numbers the big body Really impressive work load. And obviously we were just talking about one series. But he's going to start game two and game three is going to be. Jim Palmer and I think that I kinda toiled some guys that more Modern Day Garrett Cole being one but I think that I'll take the hundred You know sometime later and again before we get to Raleigh and Trevor Time. Okay and If you end up leading in game seven in the ninth inning This whole thing might end on a chance if you pick trevor. And how? He's not. That was funny when there'd be Sixty Thousand Ninety Eight playoff sixty thousand people screaming stomping their feet and as he came in with Hell's bells playing and then change. It was great though be for Houston maybe after a little a hundred from Garrett than Reagan on jet so there you go all right. The ten National League pitchers Randy Johnson is. GonNa Start Game One. We have Tom seaver from seventy one match Randy Johnson from the two thousand two D backs. You've Dennis Eckersley from the nineteen ninety-two as Eckersley was starter at one point. But this is a season where he was. I believe perfect or near perfect and saves one of his teammates. Dave Stewart from the ninety as on the team lefty Gomez one of the Great World Series pitchers ever nineteen thirty four Yankees Dave Righetti Also a starter and a reliever but in this case from the nineteen eighty six Yankees when I believe he was Still a starter reliever by C. Sobat from the two thousand seven Indians Tug McGraw from the Nineteen. Seventy two mets Mike Norris from the nineteen eighty as and John Wetland a closure of the nineteen ninety-three Yankees. So I gave after we see big unit game one. What do you think we're GONNA SEE IN GAME? Two and three organ at. We're going to see Tom. Seaver in In Game Two not GONNA go too deep into Tom. I feel like is numbers in his history for My third choice was C C Sabathia. And this one's probably going to be a little bit more controversial given all of the great pitchers on that list but I had a chance to play with C. C. Against him quite a bit but but with him in two thousand and eight so in that prime period two thousand seven two thousand eight. There wasn't a guy that wanted to ball in a meager moment. I mean this is a guy that thrived in the spotlight and put his teammates on his back. So this is very similar to the Ken Kennedy Discussion. We had earlier. You need that guy that that wants the ball and the biggest moment and drives in that situation never gets tired and CECE. Was that guy for me. Oh seven Oh eight. He was a beast and CICI gets on in game three okay. Great Well Bruce Jenkins Houston Mitchell. You've heard the teams that you're going to be managing and the way it's GonNa work is Bruce in Houston will manage the teams. As as the computer. Simulations go on they'll be making substitutions as I understand it because the fans voted in the thirty four guys It the one sort of non old school thing is that you guys are GonNa try to get as many of the thirty four guys in at some point in the series one way or the other. So the visitor. What do you think your team us? Grain Lineup pressure on me. Now to make the right Minnesota's scheme Dhaka's set me perfectly. My question for doc would be to to Some advice I need here lately gaming out a lead. We Bring Ozzy in for defense over. No more and the other thing is a nurse or Hoffman often. Who would you favor as the closer in among those two? Those are two great closers Houston Questions and I do think that No more never been defense for As shorts up obviously. But you don't get any better than the wizard so with the lead. Hopefully I no. Mark took his fourth at Bat. Ben here comes the wizard. Certainly an for me Kind of trevor. I've played with this guy that prepares like no other strike thrower Change IS IS LETHAL. And understand if these guys haven't seen trevor I just can't go outside of Trevor Hoffman. So that's my choice. That's a great question to ask Gabe as well. I mean the list of relievers on the you have for the ninth innings. Dennis Eckersley Dave Righetti John Wetland all great great relievers in their prime If you if you had your others would you like Bruce to close out games? We you know I'm GonNa go with ECK so I feel like learned from from nine hundred eighty and The whole run that they give you hit off. Him made him a better pitcher. And I'm I'm excited to have him closing out games in the night okay Do you have any questions for your your guys? No I guess it's sort of a question but even our Senate text and forth a little bit here of third base. I know it was a tough choice for you. Can kind of just walk through your decision making ongoing without Renato over over George Brett? Who had three ninety doctor while I think that certainly the whole body of work he had three ninety? And I know a lot of people that played for the royals Namely Buddy black who still one of his good friends and no-one consistently hit the ball harder than George Brett. And there's crazy stories about George. I got a quick story about George Brett where one Dan Kansas City George told his teammates that it was probably one hundred and thirty on the turf and he told his teammates in the spirit of what gave us documentary about. Gamers that I'm not going to have a drink of water the entire game. I'm going to be the first one on the field. I went into the dugout every single inning. So after we get this win that beer is gonNA taste so good so sure enough. Every game he probably throughout three. If that game the royals win I one on. I went back in the dugout and sure enough. He was pretty much to hydrated but got it through. The game led the team to win Had that cold beer but I think again randy just neutralize the lefty so you really tough to get hits let alone slug get on base and George you know even in that season where you have to be ninety. He I think he opium seven. Sixty that you're against the left-handed pitcher so and that's not facing a unit. So I think that you know the defense and also you look at Nolan in that year. I think he had a thirteen left yourself. You know. That's a big Delta right there so I I just like Nolan and Georgia. Being there against saver game I had a question I just. I just wanted to know what it was like for you to sit down with a piece of paper a computer. Whatever it is you wrote your lineups with an wrote down. The names Dimaggio Henderson bonds and Robinson. I think the most fun I was going back and digging into Ricky's Ricky's best year He just he had a knack for getting on base. Obviously I I had so much fun. Writing his name at the top of the lineup. Because of all the all the things that he can do independent him getting on base and the freedom and the flexibility that he might give Bruce as he managed our club Knob and I had a lot of fun thinking about that. Outfield question was who have in the outfield. Right was going to be bygones. or bonds at the physician did a lot of work and asked a lot of questions about the defensive capabilities of each guy and came away. Feeling pretty good about our out our outfield as a defensive unit and obviously that top four hitters in the lineup five hitters in the lineup are pretty impressive. Yeah and you know it's it's very bonds from two thousand one and I having covered him I I think I can. I can say that by that point. He wasn't the outfielder that he was. You know say In nineteen when we first came up and almost those great pirate teams of Nineteen Ninety two and three I got we have some questions from the fans and I have one that is really a good question for both of you and if I could find it at it was But basically the question was How much that you guys use advanced analytics to pick your teams Maybe David if you WANNA START WITH ALAN I. I'd say you know it's hard for me to obviously. You can't argue Ted Williams and and Duke Snider but I think that just kind of looking at you know some advanced analytics and I think that you know for example. Tony Gwynn was one for eleven. I think against Against Randy Johnson. But for me. It's kind of looking forward and still betting the fact that He could hit electric. He has it lefties That's why he's in the lineup. Ozzy's Tony Grid. But there was a little bit. I kind of if you look at the right handed lineup against Tom. Seaver I'll give Gabe in left field over the splendid splinter who's going to de age and so there's a little bit of metrics in understanding who can cover more ground a little bit on the margins but You know Houston asked the question earlier about with Ozzy versus no more. Those are metrics Last thing is to piggyback on Gabes. Kind of one thing. That was fun for me. Was Looking at the middle for game to potentially as Ozzie Smith and Jack in the Middle Plan together that that's something that I wish I could go back in time. Put those two in the middle of the diamond out. Gabe how deep dive into the numbers? Nah Not I'm just question. It's a fun one to talk about. Because my my inclination is to die pretty deeply but for this exercise I took a surface level day dig and and then just got really invested in the fun of it. You know the the hall of famers that we're talking about the players that Dave and I played against that are on this list. It was just a lot of fun and I really wanted to to enjoy it. I mean I think the platoon split thing is is fun and certainly like when when Dave and I exchanged lineups it was nice to be able to kind of try to match up and think a little bit more deeply about it but at the same time this exercise is built for enjoyment fund fans fans having fun and thinking along with us and then ultimately like there were so many good decisions that it was hard to make a bad one. Okay Here's a question here that's GonNa be like asking you to pick your favorite child First of all the first question this question about analytics was from Richard Workday This question is from somebody named Gaylon and I'll start with you gave you have to pick. Who is your favorite player in your starting lineup? Y Yeah I mean I'll probably just go with with Caminada here I. This is a guy that I played with. I would play together in Texas in the early. Two thousands watched him play as I was kind of coming of age and as a professional baseball player and he was so fierce like. That's the word out. Used to describe them. Sure Daca tell you you looking can candidate. He's is and he it's intimidating and this is a guy that slash. The leather had a canon played. Her had pop knew the game very well and supported his teammates so just from a strict favorite perspective. I'll go with candy. I think for me it. It's pretty easy when This man not only play the game with a passion chip on his shoulder. Responsibility was bigger than the game as far as understanding his legacy. So Jackie Robinson. Okay and Dave. There was a question that says sort of somewhat related And I don't have the person who asked at the moment but why did you pick Jackie Robinson to lead off over Tony Gwynn? Well I think that in this situation in this first game I felt that he had a better chance to get on base versus a unit And hopefully we'll get the unit after their an awfully. Tony went out to face a unit only twice. And I'll take my chances with Jackie face. No big left three times. Okay Yeah Tony will move up the lineup against seaver okay. The question was from Ed. Here's a good question for both of us from Brian How do you prepare for something like this with different styles and different generations as Clayton? Kershaw said last night I believe that was on dodgers zoom. It's impossible to prove who is better So how do you wrap your brain around Cross generations? I know an easy answer. Is that war Is A STATISTIC. That does account for different eras but aside from kind of looking at war Gave how how do you? Kinda like decide Which which which generation to pick from in the teams or did you just sort of you know kind of a number that in just go with the years I saw. I mean I think the first thing that do is we we ask ourselves about our own experience and what we witnessed personally right so I was thinking about docs side of things and and Christian Yelich over the course of the last couple of years as good as any baseball player particularly against right handed. Pitching that that I've I've seen or or study And then you go back a little bit further and we talk about a guy like Barry Bonds If you you pay attention to what he accomplished in a three four five year stretch. You know it's it's up there with with the greatest of all time with Mike Trout right now. By way of example maybe talking about the greatest player that ever lived and then when when you have to go back and learn about a player like Ida with with Lombardi. It's really much more about just laying out the numbers on an analyzing those numbers relative to modern day players. So yeah I mean. I think it's this is the fun part about the exercise trying to balance what you see you on paper witness with your own eyes and I think that for me and I know that last night we had a we had a call and With with a bunch of dodger fans and I think that with Clayton. I think that we heard this many times with the great. And you're talking. You know literally less than in across the across all industries less than a hundred people one hundred athletes that are called potentially in a conversation of the greatest of all time in their respective sports. So I think that those people most athletes don't like that conversation because you're talking about them but I think all of us and it's ninety nine point nine to the to the end as fans of the game it bridges stories generations. And that's the only way we can kind of in its banter back and forth so for me. I love to figure out who the best baseball players who the best pitcher is who the best quarterback of all time do rings matter all that stuff. That's part about being a sports fan so I do think that when I have talked to the greatest of all time whether you're talking about Michael Brown Koby Curse Sandy. They don't like that conversation to be quite which is kind of interesting. Okay well We are sort of running out of time here so I don't we get some last words here from Let's let's start with the. Hey Do you have any any last words about this whole thing now? I just gave you guys doing this taking the time out. You know it's fun exercise. Something that makes everyone sorta thank in baseball into the full little bit as we wait here to see if we're going to see real baseball this summer Just one one last question has a good one here Sort off what. They just stay engaged. We're just talking about which one of these guys on your lineup. Would you WANNA see? Today's game is there anybody in particular you were sick gave you? WanNa go first. Sure I mean Dimaggio for me right I I would love to see him. Run around said Centerfield and obviously like with the hitting streak just Kinda love. You can't say that it would happen in this kind of modern day alternate universe. But I'd love to see if it would. It's always interesting because players are now And this is not really up for debate. Bigger faster stronger. More athletic twitch your have more technology more tools at their fingertips. It would be really fascinating to watch a guy like Jordan Macho played in the fifties. Come throw throw his hat in the ring in today's environment. See how how he fared. I think for me. It's it's Ted Williams I do WanNa see that seed in right center. Field at Fenway Park. See how close. He can get her if he'd really did. Hit that. Dang seat but you know he's one of the best of all time obviously so I'd love to see him. Modern okay Can you guys hear me? I'm a I'm getting a little bit of a message saying that. My Internet is unstable. Sort of like you can hear me. Okay I The interesting thing to me and that question is I would. Who would like to be the one who you know? Jackie Robinson comes back to life. Ted Williams comes back to life and you guys have to tell them that Well you know you you really can't slide. Pass the bag and if you go after the second baseman or shortstop you're going to be out and it'll be a double play I I wouldn't WanNa be the one to have to tell those guys that I don't want gay bath. The I WANNA be in the room when gave tells Kennedy. He can't do that all right. Hey I'm sorry. Were there any other questions that you saw from the fans that you thought no that was it? That was an excellent. It's just a great question to ask because that's to be talked about you know we're watching the last dance and we were watching the last dance. In everyone's arguing Jordan's ninety six bowls beat the seventeen warriors and the eighty six outfits and all that stuff so I think it happens in every sport is David mentioned earlier. Who's the greatest quarterback of all time this and that and you know it's fascinating to imagine these guys playing in today's ever with the you know the on-base style from the slugging velocity? We see nowadays so a question there by. I don't know who I'd look it up but now news. Great question asked who who else your thought. The last dance was about Baryshnikov. Didn't watch it okay. Well Anyway Right I Houston Mitchell. Any last words. I just WanNa thank Dave and gave for doing this a lot and Dave for set me up so beautifully and You know if I blow this. I'm sure my newsletter readers will be all over me and feel free to send me an email telling me what a horrible manager I am then and but thanks a lot for for Senate opt and Bruce. Well I WANNA thank you for making my job. Easy at my lineup. And his are exactly the same now. One I drew up this morning. Anna final. I'd had a toast to the two thousand four Red Sox. One of the greatest stories ever told in both of these guys were part of that team. Yeah that absolutely. I want to point out that that will two things gave first of all has my name on the on his Zoom Window. That was only if you're wondering that was because I up sending him my link because he was having a little trouble getting in also WANNA point if you look at Games lineup It's very it's balanced it's You know what make no managers like to do? I mean it goes right. Left right. Left right left switch right right. So Dave you're GONNA have a little bit of trouble doing You know. Fortunately we don't have the three a battery minimum rule for the pitchers you can. You could swap guys out to your Heart's content. I I heard rumor that you like to do that sometimes but anyway. I want to thank all of you and especially the managers and just want to say to the fans who are on here and he'll be listening to this on podcast whatnot. I can absolutely assure you that Gabe Kaplan and Dave Roberts were really into this and there was some sort of regular season gamesmanship going on in here that I might write about at some point and They're you know it's good to know that both teams are in the hands of people who managers who are just if they get into something if they're asked to do something they don't do it. Half blanked you know they? They are really into it. So thank you guys and going to thank everybody from joining the zoom and At Bruce One. When are we going to win? The game is going to be played. May Twenty Six. We're GONNA play the whole best to seven one night. The Games do go pretty quickly so it like Thanksgiving. Be Settling in for four hours. Okay WanNa thank my cohort haircuts. Theo and Hope everybody here has a good afternoon. Guys thanks outward. 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108: The Almost Yankees of 1981  With David Herman

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108: The Almost Yankees of 1981 With David Herman

"Earth our Duggan with two. And the jewel pitch. I all three three and nothing. Very good about Bonita green light on three. And I would think so I like the PM take cut got a one nothing lead. It is the Free French and he hit one. Holy. One feel. I will open again, the relight. He. I can't believe retro best ball. Nearly guy. You've got the. Very pony. The green light NIA that ball four hundred well over the beat length dinner Bill flew three Mark year that wind is going in jump at it really gotta hit it to get it over the only thirteen runs run forty six runs Bannet. Oh, man. That is awesome. Raw power that. These being congratulated by all the clippers on the bench. And here's wanted beano. It's back to the welcome to good seats. Still available a curious little blood cast devoted to exploring. What used to be in professional sports? Here's your host, Tim hamlet. Hey, gang. It's Tim Hamlin. Indeed. How are you? This is good seats. Still available are curious little podcast each and every week. God if you can believe it into what used to be in professional sports. I can't thank you enough for finding us and joining our proceedings this weekend, we're going to go a little askance from our sort of main focus of top tier major league teams and leagues that they play in in the realm of forgotten sports into a little bit of the minor leagues in in in baseball. And that clip is is evidence of of the story that we're going to get into and don't adjust your you're listening device that to indeed was the the dulcet tones of the great Phil Rizzuto and Bill white calling a baseball game on WABC radio in nineteen eighty one July first nineteen Eighty-one. But if if you've done your homework, you'll recognize that the ankles weren't playing that day it was. In the midst of a major league strike by the Baseball Players Association and the Anki along with all the other teams major league baseball were not playing that game. However that you heard was that of a Columbus clippers triple a international league game against the Charleston, West Virginia Charlie's, and that's the topic that we're going to get into this. This week is the Columbus clippers of nineteen Eighty-one. And it is the subject of a very interesting asterisk in professional baseball history. Our guest is David Herman and his book is called almost Yankees the summer of eighty one and the greatest baseball team. You've never heard of the Columbus. Clippers were at the time the triple a affiliate of the New York Yankees. They were formed at the clippers were in nineteen seventy seven as a an affiliate of the Cleveland Indians. But in nineteen seventy nine they became a. Liaised with the New York Yankees. And as you'll hear and our conversation with with they've Herman and a couple of seconds really were established by George Steinbrenner and the Yankees organization as the preeminence triple a franchise in minor league baseball and you'll hear in our discussion. It was almost a Janke Slyke organization in terms of top to bottom management and the players and and a lot of back and forth of members of both teams going back and forth. Matter of fact, as you heard in that clip, featuring Phil Rizzuto and Bill white you're here Steve Balboni, who's homerun in that clip was memorialize not only in that broadcast, but Balboni one up to play couple years, actually he'd played a couple of games of the Yankees prior to the the break this the strike summer if you will. But by bony went back to the Enke's for a couple of seasons and then. Went onto a couple of other exploits with other major league teams one Speedo mentioned in that clip near the end also had quite a bit of playing time with other major league teams, including the Yankees. So indeed. So almost Yankees those two indeed Balboni and spinner were indeed fulltime Yankees. But you had a whole bunch of other players represented on this team, and coaches that you know, never sort of made it to that sort of hallowed ground, if you will Frank Ferdi particular of the manager of this, Columbus clippers and successfully by the way, Verdy a- manage this team to what became its third consecutive internationally championship with the clippers, but Verdy never really made it to that next level managing I'd not either the Yankees, or frankly any other major league team. But this is an interesting story the time of the Columbus clippers what a time in Columbus, Ohio. Uh-huh. Not yet sort of the major league sports city as it is today with the Columbus blue jackets of of the NHL or the Columbus Crew of Major League Soccer, but the clippers really had a good month and a half. Almost two months of unadulterated spotlight is being basically the Yankees minor league version and it helped fill time for a lot of major league fans looking for a professional baseball. And the clippers are probably the best example of a whole bunch of made minor league teams excuse me kinda getting some some very white hot spotlights on them. As fans of baseball were looking for the national pastime to to replace. What was a dormant major league baseball season until at least August when the big big time players came back. We're gonna get an all that. It's a very interesting story. It's it's one of obviously childhood. Reminiscences one of Columbus, Ohio and one frankly of of a team at the highest level the minor leagues that affectively were or was major league baseball. 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And my dad got a hospital administrator job in Columbus. When I was five years old, we left and moved to Columbus, Ohio. And I was there for five obviously, very formative years which left an impression on me. And one of the subplots of this book is that I you know, really got into baseball. I mean, I just went crazy for this team at age eleven and then we moved away in the middle of the pennant race, we left we moved back to California. And so I had a, you know, really for a long time little to no. Idea of you know, whatever happened to this team in these players some of them went on to major league careers. I knew something of them. And I think a couple years later I went to the library and looked in a reference book. But I mean, I was just a kid. I wasn't very savvy. I you know, I couldn't just flip up the laptop in nineteen eighty one. And check and see how they were doing. So there's a big part of this book. That's that's kind of unfinished business, you know, whatever happened to my childhood heroes. So that's the that's the Columbus angle from when I was five to when I was eleven is is when I was there, and and really sort of always had a special place in my heart. Right. Well, let's set the scene. So so the time we're talking about and the the focus of of your writing is is the nineteen Eighty-one season, which is interesting on a number of different levels. But before we kind of jump into sort of the blow by blow by blow. He says of that maybe you can kind of set the table, maybe not only for the clippers story in in its intrigue. But. Kind of maybe a little bit of your recollections of Columbus Ohio at that time. I, you know, I'm originally from the northern New Jersey, metropolitan New York area live in Chicago now for many years, but I remember as a huge soccer fan. I remember this team called the Columbus. Magic of yet Arkan's knocker league, which I think a couple years prior to this story was a co-tenants of of the stadium in which the clippers were playing. So maybe you can give us a little bit of a sense of sort of what was the Columbus clippers and or Columbus Ohio like in this sort of late seventies early eighties scene set. I guess before we get the story very different than it is now I feel like Columbus. And I was just a kid, but my memory of Columbus and said, it was a little bit more sort of a sleepy town. But it was starting to it was on the move in the early eighties. You know, and as I've mentioned in the book, you know, the clippers were were sort of a part of that. That they had had a a minor league team for many many will series of minor league teams for many years that had moved away after nineteen seventy and you had this sort of decaying stadium that sort of felt like it, you know, it was just sort of sitting there and weeds popping up in the outfield, and it was sort of breaking down and unused, and you sort of had their sort of a metaphor there. You know for things that maybe Columbus wasn't at the time. I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't the biggest city in Ohio at the time. And there was maybe sort of a second fiddle feel at times, I would say, you know, people very proud to live there. But you know, it was really just about Ohio State football. So, you know, but the area was sort of on the move at the time and the clippers had this still relatively new redone stadium. And, you know, since then, you know, Columbus is exploded. It's you know, the the Rena district. And downtown is is just really really nice. It's been really fun for me. I've been back multiple times. The new ballpark is terrific and Columbus has really grown. I mean, you've got the blue jackets there. Now, obviously, Ohio State football is is still a really huge deal. You know, the clippers have have played in in your national title games for the minor league. So it's definitely been definitely been on the move and has come a long way since late seventies early eighties. I would say, yeah. In the Columbus Crew of has defended themselves from being moved almost in the night by Major League Soccer. So as some feistiness there, too, which is which is good because it really helps cement the sort of the, you know, major league desire and status of Columbus its own supportive, you know, a metropolitan area for for pro sports scene. So maybe you could describe sort of this this stadium. And it is I guess generally known as or was officially notice Franklin county stadium. But. So called or maybe it was actually called Cooper stadium. Right. Is that that the name of it? It was renamed Cooper stadium. I believe in the mid eighties. There was a really interesting situation that happened where it appeared. I mean, the stadiums, you know, about to fall down, and, you know, the local transit authority is is looking at the space and thinking, wow, a bus barn would be really great there. And you know, I mean, it's baseball in Columbus, which has this really long history. And you know, a lot of, you know, well known players, you know, certainly have come through. I mean, it looked like maybe it was gonna end and that it was going to be really hard to ever resurrected and you had herald Cooper and other county. Commissioners for Franklin county kind of come up with this plan where you know, they ended up buying this kind of falling down stadium without really knowing. How exactly they were going to keep going with it? There were no laws that allowed for the county to run or own baseball team. And again, it was a different era, and they passed these, you know, these are they just basically allocated all these funds to redo it. And basically, you know, then they had to lure a team. So they were able to lure a team. There was going to be the pirates affiliate for the first couple of years, and they pulled it off and it succeeded. I think beyond even what they had hoped in terms of of revenue, and you know, the team, you know, Columbus instantly fell in love with with team again. So Franklin county stadium was a remake of old jet stadium which had been there for many many many years. They really tore it kinda down to the, you know, to the nub, and I mean and started from scratch, it was sort of a mad scramble they were as I understand it the first minor league team to put down astroturf because. You know, they're they weren't going to be able to have basically ready in time for the for this home opener. And, but yeah, it was this beautiful stadium with you know, luxury boxes, and, you know, good seats, and that it was really very very state of the art at the time for you know, for the minor leagues. It was about as close to the major leagues as you could get in the minors. Another thing that they'd had to do was they'd had to figure out legally how to do this. They have they had a young attorney named Frank Ray who you know, is still involved with the team after all these years. Really the only attorney the team is had he had to devise a plan. He's a young guy. He had to devise a plan for okay? How are we going to do this legally in terms of of operating this team and long story short? They created a parks and rec board. That would be that would be able to legally run own and operate the team. So you have sort of publicly owned. Team, and it was sort of an unusual arrangement. But but it's worked out really really well. So the the clippers themselves were were born in nineteen seventy seven so as we get into the story of nineteen Eighty-one. There's still a relatively young franchise. Right. And and think you sort of alluded to before they were originally an affiliate of pirates, but they changed their affiliation to a long standing one in seventy nine two years later with this little team known as the New York Yankees. Yes. Just that that just that little team they had two seasons with the pirates. It's kind of interesting because the clippers name I mean, a lot of people might think well Yankee clipper, I mean, that you know, that must have been connected to their affiliation with the Enke's. It was not they had a name the team contest and a panel picked the name clippers. My understanding is that it was something that you know, they were thinking about Christopher Columbus, and sort of nautical themes, and you know, clippers and and stuff like that. So. It was sort of, you know, something that that came before the change -ffiliated from the pirates to the Yankees in nineteen seventy nine now the team the Columbus loved to the clippers those first two years with the pirates, but they didn't perform very well. They were well back in the standings both of those years, then the Enke's come along and George Steinbrenner who I'm sure we'll be talking about quite a bit had this approach to the minor leagues where it was everything was top notch. You know, way more coaches than you would usually have the best uniforms, the best facilities, and you know, his minor league teams that was very high priority for him that they be successful. However, he was addicted to signing high priced free agents and really didn't have much trust for your for your younger players. So he would stock his minor league teams with, you know, major, you know, guys who had major league experience and very. Talented young players, but they had very very little chance of advancing up to the Yankees. And so that's another part of the, you know, one of the themes of the book, and when I went back and studied this team as an adult that's one of the first things, I realized was wow. These guys were were stuck these were talented players guys had been in the majors guys that have been, you know, Marshall brand had been the tops minor league player of the year in nineteen eighty and really hardly got a serious. Look, I mean, it was really unbelievable. And basically these players were just trade bait or just, you know, maybe short-term fill ins at the major league level if that, but it's an interesting dynamic that was going on a lot of guys burned out their careers down in Columbus. And it's interesting because you you look at the records from seventy seven onward in in a while to your point. They were you know, let's charitably saying kind of middling in the internationally goes, I two seasons perhaps because of a different approach of the pirates, boom, seventy nine onward. I mean, they were they were no. No, no lower than second. As a matter of fact, they were basically they finished first and or became league champions for many of those years for for bunch of those times. And I it's pretty it's pretty amazing sort of see and it does feel to me though. And as we sort of segue into to the eighty one season in particular does seem that to the outside. Observer there's I guess the word I'm struggling for. I guess I call it interchangeability, perhaps we're it feels to me that there's some element of movement. I guess between players, and especially the George Steinbrenner sort of way of of thinking, right where you know, he's famously known for making rash decisions changing people on the fly. Ask Billy Martin, for example. And players to right. And I guess knowing that you have a more, shall we say a strong and stocked. Minor league at least triple A team at Oman gills to me that that Steinbrenner would feel a bit more cavalier about being able to sort of threaten and actually execute not not physically people and trades right to to move people around with with some level of fear and authority. Yes. And George Steinbrenner sort of famously wanted to be feared before he wanted to be loved for. Sure. Sure. I mean, there were players that moved up and down a lot, especially as you know, the eighties kind of went on. There was sort of the idea of Columbus shuttle. You had a player like Bobby Brown who, you know, had been a co international league MVP in nineteen Seventy-nine, George CISL junior. Who was the clippers GM who had been around baseball. His whole life said this guy was the best minor league player he had ever seen. And you know, he Bobby Brown played for the Yankees and played pretty well hit. I believe to sixty stole a fair amount of basis in nineteen eighty. But then again when over ten in the American League championship series had a slow start in the spring. And all the sudden, you know, he was kind of on Steinbrenner's list and was sent back down to Columbus. Then the Enke's called him back up, then they sent him down again and. This was a guy who had nothing left to prove, you know, at the AAA level for sure so you had that type of player you had the occasional player who could just sort of force his way onto the Yankees. Dave righetti. For example, you had other players who had all kinds of talent. But because of again, Steinbrenner usually looking elsewhere to more experienced players, you know, he would give up on on players sooner. Pat, Tableau was a really hot prospect that the Enke's had in nineteen Eighty-one who ended up getting traded to the cubs for for Rick Russia, and you know, so that was actually a real break for tabular because you know, it was going to be really really hard for him. I mean, the Yankees had Willie rand off. So it was gonna be really hard for him to force his way up then you had other players like Marshall Brant who was really my main childhood hero who put up all these huge numbers in Columbus. But just really never got much of a look. And so it it definitely kind of ran the gamut intern. Terms of in terms of Steinbrenner's philosophy. But, but yeah, there were some major league veterans and talented young players that they were they were not gonna make it up to the Yankees. They were either going to go somewhere else or they were going to be done. So so if I'm a player on the seventy nine eighty eighty well to the two seasons prior to but we're gonna get into on the clippers. Right. I am. I am. I basically resigned to the fact that this I'm not going generally any further with the Yankee organization, unless I'm sort of as a fill in or replacement, or or is there a real sort of hope and desire that, hey, look, you know, I'm I'm truly on the next call bench here and come of coffee, and maybe more with the Yankees is absolutely a possibility or or is it, you know, you mentioned trade bait 'em. I really just trying to play my best. So that I can get out of this organization. Be get a look with another team at the at the majors the Yankees definitely had that reputation. There was a a player on the eighty one clippers who had started the season on the big league roster with the Oakland A's. And of course, they had that amazing record breaking start that year where they won their first eleven games. He was part of that named Mike Patterson and Mike Patterson had, you know, one my understanding from him was is that he we actually didn't speak, but just in terms of doing research on him. He had always had this impression of the Yankees of you know. Wow. I just you know, you go there, and you get stuck, and, you know, well, that's not gonna happen to me. I'm in the major leagues. Well, guess what you know, the Enke's made a trade and Patterson came over to the ankles organization, and he was stuck and he played eighty one and played well he played in eighty two. But after that, he was and I believe in Japan for a little bit. But again, he was out of baseball after that. And this is a guy who had been on a major league roster and shown a lot of promise. So the reputation was definitely there that that was the. Tough place that you know, you weren't going to have a huge chance, and that it was easy to get stuck in that system. I think it varied by player in terms of how hopeful they were of you know, I'm gonna make it up to the Yankees or I'm just playing you know to be traded before we get more into the the the on field antics. So how was the how is the team embraced by Columbus in the fans you get two years with the Pittsburgh relationship? And then, you know, obviously, this yankee's thing I gotta feel that you know, the people in in Columbus. We're starting to really get a taste of sort of more major league nece right him that ASM Columbus magic soccer team, which was sort of division two for that. It seems like the people were sort of newly discovering the city and the run by the keys. It would almost feel like that. This is sort of like they're sort of secret pro team if you will on the on the baseball diamond. Yeah. I mean, the the city really embraced Columbus or the clippers. I should say they drew really well their first season. Season. They out pulled the Oakland A's now again that was a kind of famously poor Oakland A's team that had been gutted. But still, you know, and they were I think maybe only they were pretty close to setting a minor league record in that first season for attendance. They think maybe they had the third or fourth best ever and people continue to come out. And you know, the fans I mean, it was a great place to to watch a game. It was a lot of fun. There was people would have these bells cow bells that they would ring and they had fight songs that were sort of these kinda polka inspired jingles that they had come up with that they would play and people would sing along and ring the cow bells, and they had a primitive kind of pre diamond vision type scoreboard, which was state of the art at the time. And and you know, especially under the Anki they won. And it was just it was just a lot of fun. They had a lot of really fun promotions. There was a real fun spirit to the game. There's you know picnic area, you know, beyond the outfield fence that that people would gather in. It was just it was just a wonderful, you know, mid west warm nights thing, and, you know, people, you know, to this day have have certainly really enjoyed the clippers the new park Huntington park is gorgeous. It's it's just really beautiful, and they continue to you know, continue to do. Well, it's always had to compete with Ohio State football and one of the kind of ironies of season that I write about is that, you know, once how state football started up again, you know, as as great as the clippers had been, you know, it's it's a challenge to kind of compete for the attention the day that the clippers one or clinched the governor's Cup. It was sort of side by side with Ohio State football or even below it on the in the woke papers just because house if a ball is obviously religion there. So yeah. Definitely. Something that has had to compete with highest football. But but that's has been beloved in Columbus. All right. So let's talk about the international league of the late seventies and early eighties. And we'll use that sort of as the scene set for not only the season, but also sort of what's going on in the background with the the thunder clouds of of major league baseball. But so describe the international league and Columbus is sort of a place in it. This is a triple A league. One of I think to at the time right believe, so I believe it was just a Pacific coast league. Well, let's see Pacific coast league American Association. Also could be I and I apologize because now now we're getting this is the reason why we also have in mind, cause it's such a a convoluted way. But, but obviously, you know, this is these are the top tier minor league teams of of major league baseball, right? And Columbus really kinda just went from middling to sue cream literally in one. Season from starting in nineteen seventy nine so maybe a little bit of a sense of sort of the momentum. And they were basically coming into the nineteen Eighty-one season. They were two time defending league champions. Obviously, they were Haman quite well as a team despite sort of the Yankee sort of influence if you will end were George Steinbrenner brand of uncertainty manage measure. Yeah. They had won the penance the international league pennant and the governor's Cup in seventy nine and eighty and they were now trying to do it for third straight time for both in that had had never been done before they were juggernaut in nineteen seventy nine the Enke's took over they won. I believe their first eleven games. They also later in the year had a double digit winning streak, and they just really kind of ran away with things there was sort of a different. It was almost like they were operating at a different level than a lot of other teams. Gentleman named Bill Emsley who was a longtime empire in the international league. I had some great conversations with him. And he used to talk about how you know, he would unpire in all these different cities. And, you know, the clippers would show up, and they would have, you know, just this whole entourage. And you know, all these coaches, and it was it was like a whole different thing. And there was kinda this attitude of oh, man. You know, you why can't you guys be like everybody else? They were loaded, and they were loaded with talent, they had very talented coaches. And it was you know, again, there were some some good other teams in the international league. There were also some that had field that well, I mean, you know, they just weren't quite optimal. Let's put it that way. And when you put them next to Franklin county stadium. You know, they it was. Yeah, it wasn't even close. You know, I mean places again, you know, God bless Charleston, Toledo and places like that. But at the time, you know, the fields were were pretty rough and not really certainly not up to the same standard. But yeah, they they were a classy top notch operation there. Just wasn't a lot of upward mobility. And you're talking about teams that are the triple a affiliates of the Atlanta Braves the Mets the Orioles Indians. The Red Sox Blue Jays in the twins. And yes to to clarify there were in nineteen eighty one three. Aaa leaks and arguably a fourth if you consider the Mexican league off season as well, which is operated sort of a triple eight levels while, but you know, the these are obviously the the next cups of coffee for folks within these organizations albeit differently run as you as you hinted at before it seems to me that a lot of the talent on the clippers were say cemented. But certainly were expected I guess by this point by nineteen Eighty-one to be kind of competing in or not if not outright winning championships, which is almost sort of an odd sort of feeling I mean, obviously, you know, when minor leagues you're still you're playing to win and obviously trying to play to get found by the talent scouts to go to the next level. But to your point earlier, it seems almost like this is it almost feels like an expectation at this point that this is going to be come hell or high water championship caliber team Elliott. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I'm sorry. Absolutely. I mean, if you look at just a couple of positions. So again, I mentioned Marshall Brant. This was a guy who tops minor league player of the year in nineteen eighty you know, big home run hitter. You know, here was a guy who he didn't even have a well defined role at the start because you had Steve Balboni who'd been the MVP of the southern league who hit twenty one home runs in his first thirty nine games for Nashville the year before and Sports Illustrated came, and you know, he was already a minor league legend, so they're both on the same team ended up trading off first base D H. You've got you know, Dave Righetti on that team. Now he'd had a setback year in nineteen eighty, but you know, he'd already pitched in the majors, and you know, had all kinds of talent John cascella was somebody who was set to start the season in the rotation for the Padres. Look was looking to be and figured to be their number three starter judge. At the end of spring training gets pulled off a bus and with Jerry among free untold while you've been traded to the ankles. So you know instead of starting the season pitching against the giants at Candlestick Park. You know, he's coming on and relief in in Charleston, West Virginia. And this is a guy who had a full season with the Mets before all this. So he was in a fight for the last spot in the Yankee rotation with you know, guys like Andy mcgaugh again, and you know, g Nelson. I mean, guys these were talented guys that, you know, ended up having long major league careers, and that rotation for the clippers was really arguably better than that Padre rotation that Pasallah had had left behind. So. Yeah. I mean, they were absolutely loaded. There was certainly an expectation. And then when they stumbled at the beginning of the season, they they went nine and eleven and the first twenty games. There was a real sense of what's going on. What's what's wrong? You know, this isn't you know? We don't do this in you know, in the Yankee in the Yankee era here in Columbus. And they definitely turned it around, obviously. But but yes, expectations were very high are less general question, and we'll get we'll get into the meat of the matter health, give give a sense, maybe this is through the hey Agra fee of of of an eleven year old or or preteen teenage boy in the stands, right? How frequently were these players coming and going either above ground to the Yankees or even further below into the lower rankings of minor league baseball how stable or not would you would you characterize the clippers roster, you know, in these first gangqi owned and dominated years? Well, there was definitely some movement. Although not as much as as you might think, you know, Steve Albany hit thirty three home runs for the clippers in this nineteen eighty one season that that I focus on. That's just not gonna really happen in the minor leagues anymore because if you have somebody that's having a season when they're on the way to hitting thirty three home runs. They're most likely going to be called up. I mean, there's there's a lot more, you know, kinda reaching down. I think at this point than there was then, you know, situations would come up Marshall brands very early in the season looked like he was gonna get his shot. He was called up to the Anki because Bob Watson was hurt. And they needed someone to play first, and it's Brandt there was this weird sort of protest filed by a couple of other teams there had been sort of a clerical error. And there was a rule that the basically what it boils down to was that Brant got to New York and ended up sitting in Steinbrenner's. Box eating prime rib, and he wasn't allowed to play because he had been called up before may first. Well, then they called up L bony. They literally cross paths in the airport until Lido and Balboni came up and very briefly was a star for the Yankees. And you know, had you know, several key hits. But after just a couple of games despite that, they moved him back down. So in eighty one it was still you still had a pretty stable roster. There were people that were certainly traded away tab ler my Griffin who was a talented pitcher. But, you know, again in eighty two I think that's when the really had a revolving door, you know, that's when you had catcher name wanna spin on going up, and literally, you know, having to play appearances and then being sent back down and Dave Collins famously sang which ones speed, no I haven't met him when he was gone or at. So I think that that ramped up is the eighties went on. But you had a. A pretty good core on the eighty one roster for the clippers aside from a few guys that that got traded. All right. So let's talk about eighty one right? So the clippers obviously coming off of two championship seasons in their first two years of Yankee oversight of established that you know, they're almost expected to sort of be at championship caliber. It's clear that the fans are certainly taking to this show. We call it minor league yet, you know, a pro team of perhaps the, you know, the crown jewel, I guess or perhaps the highest performing of the minor league teams really of that era. But what of major league baseball going into nineteen Eighty-one, obviously, things were not calm and cool and collected on the labor front. Maybe you can set the tone for what was going on at me in major league baseball at the time as the season was getting going and what we kinda got into that. You know becomes the microcosm of this entire story. Well, the players union and the owners had vertu strike in nineteen eighty they had the that season was in danger, and they managed to come to an agreement to kind of, you know, while punches do not maybe the right word, but they had had you know, move the ball. And but what they set themselves up for was sort of a showdown over a key issue in nineteen Eighty-one. And that issue was the idea of compensation to owners who lost free agents. Now, what the owners were trying to do was they wanted. I mean, you know, when the reserve clause died, and you know, salaries shot up, and, you know, the owners had basically lost the upper hand, and they wanted to get it back and one of the ways that they wanted to do this was they wanted to try to hobble the free agent market by saying, okay, that's fine. I lost this free agent. I am entitled to another. Free agent of at least equal talent from you know, that I get for my team. Now, obviously, this would have had, you know, real chilling effect on the whole process. So you know, that was kind of the core argument that was going on, and, you know, strike deadlines were set, and you know, meetings happened and really didn't go anywhere. And I think that you know, my impression is that. The owners didn't really take the threat of strike seriously. They didn't really necessarily think that it was going to happen that the players were going to go through with it. If it did they had a fair amount of of strike kind of related insurance. But in early June on June twelfth in the early morning hours. The, you know, the players walked out, and you know, so you had major league baseball going dark and all this attention suddenly given to the minor leagues, especially especially to Columbus. But it was it was a cloud. That was hanging over things. You know, certainly on opening day in nineteen eighty one. You know, there was a kind of a festive feel you know, the hostages were back from Iran. And you know, there was a, you know, sort of feeling in general, I think in the country of you know, we're going to start to bounce back a little bit from some tough times. But yes, there was this dark cloud of of the labor strife. Yeah. And it seems to be that. Although it was the players that that went out on strike it if I remember sort of correctly, a lot of the blame in the press, and I guess amongst most of the fans was that the the real blame was really at the the feet of the owners kind of provoking this action is is that a fair and or correct assessment or nuance than that. I think it might be a little bit more nuanced. I think that fans were just upset, and I think that they saw greed and fault on both sides. You know, I think that you know with the benefit of hindsight and you look at things like the reserve clause. You know, I mean, it it seems kind of kind of obvious to us. You know, I think most people right now that that had to go, you know, that that was that was sort of an unfair setup. I think that people that really followed it. Could sort of take either side. And I certainly, you know, read a lot of articles and gather lot of opinions on either side. But yeah, I mean, you know, again, I think that essentially people that really studied it realize that this was what was going on that the owners were trying to sort of regain control. I mean, things were really spiraling. And on the one hand, you had owners like Steinbrenner, you know, signing, you know, all kinds of players in, you know, in the late seventies and early eighties and spending all sorts of money yet on the other hand, you know, the owners were complaining that, you know, this isn't sustainable, and so they sort of wanted it both ways. How were the power both the Yankees and the clippers doing in the early months of the season right because the strike itself while threatened, and were, you know, a the consternation in the press and all that really didn't happen until what I guess late may early June of eighty one right? So you had a couple of months of play Howard. How are the teams performing separately and individually while all this, you know, the storm clouds were kind of coming together the Yankees perform, well, you know, again, the season was sort of famously divided into the first half in the second half. Once the strike was settled and the Yankees won the American League east in the first half. And then they set up the system where you know, that meant that they were automatically in in the playoffs for the eighty one playoffs once they had had settled the strike matter. So they perform. Well, certainly they were coming off a hundred and three win season. And you know, thinking that you know, they had a great shot to win another title. And then Kansas City got him in the American League championship series. And and George was was not happy about that. But yes, they had they were playing quite well, and we can certainly talk about the second half the clippers. I mentioned kind of did a little bit of a face plant initially started off nine of eleven, but then they took off they got under Robertson back from an injury. Bobby Brown was sent back down and provided another big bat to an already loaded lineup. The pitching had been a little bit shakey earlier on in the season. And you know, some of the people that they figured we're going to sort of anchor things weren't performing. But that started to come together, and the clippers just just absolutely started to dominate. They climbed out of the hole that they dug for themselves and the day. Of the strike this. They had a double header against Tidewater. So it's your gangs Mets proxy war. And they were just in the process of overcoming Tidewater. And for a while, you know, when all of a sudden, they had this all this attention. I mean, they really were dominant. So they had started slowly, but they were playing very very well in the days leading up to the strike, certainly. All right. 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So you can enjoy in perpetuity for as long as you're device lives. The downloaded book free and gratis courtesy of yours. Truly here. It could still available and our friends at auto sang-kyu audible, we appreciate it. And that we appreciate you joining our conversation once again. Talking about the days leading up to the strike, right? So the strike itself began in earnest on June, twelfth rights, I had a couple of months of of both sort of seasons kind of underway and lasted all the way until the end of July of eighty one. How does this sort of play out operationally what happens to the clippers in the midst of this? Obviously the Yankees part of major league baseball. They're on strike. Give us a bit of an insight into the mind, if it's possible of Steinbrenner at Al and what the clippers basically become in the midst of this major league strike, and by the way, I guess innocently. I asked the question where does minor league baseball fit in. All this is there, no ability, and or it can players the players playing in the minors have to be thinking jeeze. Why are we playing when our major league compatriots are striking and organizationally? It's obviously different. But. It's got to feel like an odd feeling right? When the big show is an operating, and yet you're sort of still pining away in the minors having to play and you become in some ways the big show. At least the biggest show that there is at the time. There were interesting things that that happened. I mean, for example, you know, the Yankees coaches, you know, were still basically, you know, under contract and expected to help out Yogi Berra got sent down to to Nashville, and you know, was wearing his Yankees uniform during games and helping coach and working with young Don Mattingly, who's you know, still playing a lot of outfield at that time. And, you know, saying, you know, give me something to do. I need something to do when going on road trips with team. So you know, you had a players like Dennis worth who had played for the Yankees in nineteen eighty who had been sent down on a rehab assignment really just before. And that was the only way that he was going to be able to kinda play. So yeah, it was sort of an interesting. Dichotomy in terms of you know, things just being so shut down at the major league level yet. Just kind of continuing sort of if you know nothing had changed at the minor league level. Now, you had you know, a lot of media newspapers. And and you know, TV and everything radio that were like, what are we going to do? You know, how are we going to fill this gap? I mean, you know, this is such a huge part of what we do in the spring and summer, and so, you know, and I I write about this quite a bit in the book, you know, you had newspapers coming up with with fake leagues. That matched the greatest teams of all time against each other. And you had people gathering and parking lots outside major league stadiums and listening to the announcers recreate or not recreate create fake games. You know, the Padres. I think had a twenty three game winning streak that was cooked up by local radio station. So yeah, I mean, you know, I think that the owners. Were somewhat surprised, you know, maybe when this actually happened at least some and again, they had some insurance they had, you know, some efforts to kind of ride it out for a certain amount of time players not so much. I mean, some of them had to go out and find work than those days. So yeah, a lot of interesting things going on and a lot of attention paid to the miners. WABC the big gangqi flagship station sent down there. Their crew. Their varsity crew of radio announcers, Phil Rizzuto Fran. Healy Frank Messer and Bill white and these guys were going around the international league broadcasting clippers game sometimes sitting at open air tables, you know, in the stands behind home plate. So, you know, it was it was very interesting time, you know, and people's efforts to try and kind of get by certainly so so explain the clippers then in the midst of all that because it seems like I would argue is part of the thesis. Of your of your book here is that they perhaps a among just about all the other sort of minor league teams out there in the country kind of send it to you know, perhaps the the the brightest of of spotlights versus all the other teams was it maybe also because of said New York City media attention looking for something to fill in for the the missing Yankees. I think so I think I mean, you know, that first night, and again, there's a jumping off point in the book of a walk off grand slam that Andre Roberson hit to beat Tidewater. And you know, I'm I'm there with my dad is this this special night. But that there was a real buzz that night even before that happened. You had, you know, reporters there from the New York Times, and Newsday and the star ledger from Newark, you had ESPN ESPN was still fairly new, but they broadcast the second game, and they broadcast other clippers games as well. So, you know, the clippers and then WABC would come later the clippers warned. The only team to get that attention. But I have a sense that they got as much or more than any other team. And I do think that the New York market had something to do with that. Also, the fact that they they were again, you know, very dominant team at the time for sure. Well, let's talk about some of those clippers players that were arguably enjoying some of this new-found spotlight, maybe a little bit earlier and were oddly than they were maybe expecting in this traditional when you're talking about. I mean, and you and your and your book on the cover you've got some of some very famous major league players and managers in the process. I mean, we're talking about like Dave Righetti in buck show. Walter, and Steve Balboni, you mentioned earlier Frank Ferdie Marshall Brant Andre Roberts. I mean, you've got there's some amazing talent again through the hindsight of history. A sense of some of these players and sort of how they took to this newfound spotlight. Sure. Yeah. I mean, you know, they I think for the most part definitely thought it was a really really cool opportunity the clippers had a player named Tucker Ashford who was a very very talented triple A level player. And you know, he called up his parents and said, I'm you know, I'm going to be on national TV. Now ESPN was not as you know, kind of everywhere back, then although it was national. So his parents would drive up the road in Tennessee to a hotel that had it just so they could watch him play on TV. And you know, it was it was a real of thrill. I mean, there was definitely a sense of, you know, this is a chance for some exposure that you know, we're not usually gonna get not just because we're in the minor leagues. But also because we're sort of buried in the minor leagues in the system. You had a young pitcher named Steve Taylor who'd been a I. Round draft pick. He'd been pitching it AA the clippers had a real kinda shortage of pitchers for a while at this time of the season. And Steve Taylor was called up from AA. He was supposed to pitch the following day on the Saturday the second day of the strike. He drives I don't know four hundred miles or whatever up from from Nashville and the clippers starter in the second game of the double header that night, Paul Mitchell, you know, his arm tightens up and all the sudden Steve Taylor who'd been in in Nashville at AA earlier in the day is pitching on national television against Tidewater. So, you know, there were a lot of stories like that. And, you know, the season war, the as the strike war on, you know, you had, you know, the WABC cruise around you had ESPN around there were sometimes other networks that you know, would broadcast. I believe WT Bs did some Richmond Braves games. You know, there's a story in the book about you know, herb score being the new voice of the Charleston Charlies down from the Cleveland Indians. So the players. I think did enjoy the exposure. And a lot of them responded really really well, and the clippers were were very dominant during that time Steve bell bony during this time hit ten home runs and half a month. He and not just home runs. But just blasts. I mean, it was it was really fun to see you know, again. This was kind of an alternative for people who, you know, didn't have the majors that they could tune in ESPN, or you know, if they were in the Enke's radio network, maybe WABC or their local station, and they could listen to people like Steve Balboni hitting these monster home runs in terms of some of the other players Marshall Brant had had had sort of up and down season. But he really started to turn it on Righetti had been called up by that point and was on his way to an American League rookie of the year award and pitching in the World Series under Robertson was just an amazing defensive shortstop. Who is also hitting. So you know, you had you had people that were tuning in seeing a pretty high level of baseball for sure and the the city of Columbus today sort of relish this newfound of shall we say major league spotlight too. I think so I think I mean, I remember, you know, there was a picture in the paper of a guy setting up ESPN camera. And I think that there was definitely some excitement about it. You know, Rick rihts who was the WB NS play by play guy for the clippers in in nineteen eighty one as as a very young guy. Again, I listened to him you know, to this day because he's been doing this Yadel Mariners for for so long. He talked about it at length on the broadcasts and all the attention that the clippers were getting and also in terms of the the org. I think that you know, as I said in the book, I mean, the phones were ringing like crazy. I mean, people were calling from all over the country and wanting to know, hey, how do I get merchandise? And I wanna talk to Frank Verdy. And tell me more about this team. And hey, I saw you on TV. And it was it was really exciting. And you know, I mean, America's team is probably a little bit too strong. But there was definitely some some interests, you know, increased interest in this this team, I think being on the first night of the strike and having a, you know, a couple of thrilling winds. I mean the second game of that double header they also one with eight home runs. And so I think that you know, it was definitely great exposure. And the players liked it and the city liked it too. So it makes for an interesting June July, but almost as it seems as quickly as the strike began. It comes to an end cooler heads, prevail. It certainly doesn't solve longstanding issues between labor and management. And we see evidences of those things in the future as well. I think will always be the case as long as people work for other people regardless of. Industry or sport. But maybe you can describe sort of the the the last days of of the clippers and major league baseball prior to the major league season gearing back up again, obviously started with a delayed all star game is sort of the reintroduction of the now second half of the season. But maybe you can describe a little bit of the sort of the last days of this sort of halo of Columbus at the top of the baseball heap, and then within you know, a week or two later in early August attention sort of packed up and left but in many respects Columbus was back to the minor leagues. Again, in terms of perception, it was and you know, that is sort of one of the themes is, you know, there are a lot of sub themes in the book about perseverance and going all in even if you're not making it to the majors, and even if the ESPN cameras aren't there and the clippers started to cool a little bit as the strike was kind of winding up. And they, you know, again, WABC Adler communications had pulled the plug. So the attention was some of the attention was already starting to fade a little bit. And then the strike itself was resolved in the way that that impacted some of the clippers was, you know, they there were some of them that suddenly, you know, had a role in terms of getting the big league club ready to start the season again. So, you know, George Frazier who went onto a long major league career who joined the clippers that year and Bill Castro who had pitched for the Anki that year. And then been sent down were called up to, you know, pitch in simulated games to try to help the ANC. He's get back in shape, you know, for the season starting up again Frazier earn himself spot, you know, he came. He was on a difficult situation. Bases-loaded and he struck out Reggie Jackson. Dave Winfield, and you know, getting out of the shower they're telling him. Just just stay here. You're gonna you're gonna go ahead and stay with us. So he had an advantage in that, you know, he was in playing shape. I mean, he was in midseason form yet. You know, he had this chance to, you know, have this exposure with pitching against the Anki and that helped him to land a role and that was the beginning of a long major league career for him. So yeah, you had kind of Ohio State football starting to, you know, be talked about even more as that season approached you had the end of the strike, and they would still get decent crowds. But there was I think a shift, and you know, it wasn't. There wasn't quite the same buzz. As there was however, they also found themselves back in a pennant race because Richmond the Lanta Braves AAA team won twenty of twenty four games while the clippers were starting to struggle a little bit. And all of a sudden within a few games of first place and Richmond came in for a series. There was some bad blood between the teams, and and you know, games like that would still draw big crowds. And they're. Definitely and electricity for that. But you had a lot you had more things to compete with. And you had less of the built in attention from the strike for sure. Yeah. They went up to win their their third league championship. So and frankly that was actually the end of of their little championship run there. So it didn't seem like they were affected adversely on the field. But I gotta think though, you allude to some of this in the book that that some of the players with this newfound sort of spotlight and national attention. I wanna say might have gotten caught up in it. But they certainly I guess they there's a bit of angst and sad feeling in that you get all this sort of exposure. And and you wonder, you know, are you now good enough to sort of get to that next level to get into the Yankee top team. And yet, you know here. You are reminded come early August that you're still in the in the minor leagues. And some of the players that we talked about, right? Certainly went onto some substantial major league careers, but quite a few others. This was you know, really this was their taste in the light. They never really did get to that show. And so maybe you can kind of describe a bit of the I call the dichotomy of of sort of the players of this team in eighty one really sort of thrust into some some major spotlight some of whom continued along their way into the process of major league baseball, and frankly, some of them kind of never really did in. This was kind of like their biggest their biggest career achievement were. Adoration, I guess in their careers. Yeah. I mean for a lot of players this was it and for Frankfurt the manager. Frank Verdy, you know, as I write about in the book had had a moonlight Graham type moment, you know, in the majors back in nineteen Fifty-three with the Yankees. And now just like the players. I mean, he wanted to get back to the majors to and, you know, he used to talk about how I mean, I think there was a sense that you know, he probably hid missed his chance. Although he really had hoped to may be called up, you know, by the ankles and be made a coach or bench coach or something like that. But he used to talk about how you know. He'd look around this this beautiful AAA stadium and Columbus, and you know, all the great success of the team. And he would say, you know, this is my major leagues, and you know, I think that it's interesting that different players sort of responded in different ways. I mean, the team played great for the most part during all this attention. During the strike, but you had a player named Wayne hair. Who was a outfielder usually center fielder left field hit lead off a lot for the clippers who actually struggling with injuries. And he gets this chance to be in the national spotlight, and he's struggling this is a guy who hit three fifty for tuck it in nineteen seventy seven and one the internationally batting title. And the Red Sox didn't even invite him to spring training. You know, again, not a not a guy with a lot of power. You know? So he's you know, basically settled in. I mean, this is it, you know, I mean after the cameras had packed up and WABC wasn't there. And there was this different kinda shifts. He played maybe the best baseball of his career during this key showdown series with Richmond. You know, he delivered a game winning hit. He robbed a couple of guys hits. And it was it was an intense thing, and you know, that sort of continued for the rest of the season. So part of sort of the. Subplot of the book is this idea of you know, being a hero even in the minor leagues. And and you know, going all out even in the minor leagues. Even if you're not going anywhere further. So you know, that you know, is sort of a, you know, for me a poignant thing, I mean, you know, I think that that Wayne, you know, sort of knew that, you know, this was kind of the end of the line other players like Dave Coleman who, you know, had our heroine moment later on in the in the season knew that this was the end of the line. And you know, they were they were tired, and you know, they would do things like, you know, win to clinch a spot in the final series, and then have to turn right around and start that series the next day, and you know, but still managing to hold it together and play some of the best baseball they'd ever played. You know, that's that's an inspiring thing to me the clippers continued to do quite well once the the major league season. Started back up again. But interestingly after having won what became the sort of first half of the of the season in there in the American League east the Yankees charitably they were middling that second half of the season. Now, they went on to go to the World Series. And they lost the dodgers and six games. So they did get it back together again. But I mean, it didn't seem like the Yankees were like back to old times after the strike had ended. You wonder I wonder at least if if there would have been more could have been more. I don't know replacements from Columbus given how well they were doing versus say the Enke's who were not yet. I I mean, I think there was a real question about, you know, the Yankees already had a playoff spot the way that they had set up this. You know, kind of post strike deal was is that the winners of the divisions would square off if they were different between the first half in the second half of the Yankees had one. So they were already in. So perhaps there was some question around motivation. George Steinbrenner was you know, definitely doing a lot of of of meddling. He was sort of tormenting Jean-Michel. You know, who was the manager at the time and fired him later on in the eighty one season and brought Bob lemon back. And. Yeah, I mean, they were I believe twenty six and twenty seven in the second half. But still had this playoff spot wrapped up. Now. They did bring up George Frazier. You know, who had pitched very very well for the clippers. So they did bring him up. They've where am I stir was briefly up for them? He was a guy who sort of emerged as the staff ace for the clippers. So they they did some of that. But you know, they remember also George Steinbrenner was not one to trust these younger, not proven major leaguers. And he was pretty set on on the lineup that he had Andrea Robertson was brought up for the stretch run. After Bucky dent got hurt that was it. Andre Roberson was sort of, you know, Gibraltar for for the clippers, and you know, defensively so strong and having a good season hitting the ball. So it was sort of a tough thing for them when he got called up right before the the governor's Cup playoffs started. So there there were some clippers that came up. But you know, certainly, you know, there were others that in most cases would have at least gotten more of a look that in a Steinbrenner organization just just weren't going to. And by the way, you Baltimore Orioles fans are listening. I don't even get started. And how you got screwed in eighty one four not making the playoffs. Having had the second best record in the league. And yet the brewers and the Yankees besting you to get into there. So there's a there's an argument to be made there. So let me ask you and then the reds to. I mean, the red had the best overall record in baseball for the combined to and they didn't make they didn't win either half. And they didn't make the playoffs either. So it was definitely a flawed solution. No. And it was a crazy season. And obviously, there's there's lots of other intrigued to that that entire story at saga Eighty-one. But. This is you know, this is a very interesting one in having grown up in the New York area in a Yankees fan. You know, since childhood, and it sort of seeing this is a very interesting it almost feels if you are Yankees fan, right? This was almost like a replacement season in between the two seasons featuring this team called the Columbus clippers what? So what does the aftermath of all this, right? There are a couple of I think sort of themes and stories it's sort of come out of this. I mean, certainly one I'll give you a hand here. Right. Is that this tension between the players and ownership? I, you know, arguably never go away. I think this is a sports thing, and perhaps even more. So given just how much money now is part of the the sports dynamic even since nineteen Eighty-one for sure are some of the issues around that strike are they resolved or were they forever be debated. And or worse. Subject to more work, stoppages interruptions. Do you think going forward from all this? Yeah. I mean, I don't know that it ever really ends. I think that again, they came. With this. You know sort of agreement to resume baseball during nineteen Eighty-one involved. You know, all these complicated protections for players and drafts and things and that, you know, it was basically scrapped a few years later, and sort of you know, streamlined a little bit. But you know, nobody was was really happy with it. You know, again in recent years, I guess you've you had relative labor peace for while after nineteen ninety four. But then, you know, you know, now, you have a situation where you know, you've got some incredibly talented. I mean, that's been the story of this. I mean now the seasons underway. But I mean, the story of this off season was that you had, you know, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, and you know, guys still that aren't signed. And you know, it almost feels like, you know, the owners have found a way to collude without colluding. And you know, that you know with the advances of the. Sabermetrics? And you know, some of these players are just they're just not being signed. And it's not good for the sport, you know, in my opinion, and we'll see, but that seems to be the trend these days that you you also have teams that I mean when I was a kid, you know, it just seemed like, you know, even if things maybe weren't looking great for your season, and we moved to California. And I I became a big San Francisco Giants fan and suffered through some season for a while. They're in the in the early eighties before they started to to be more successful. But they're just always seemed to be hope, you know, at the beginning of a new season for a major league team. I mean, they just now it seems like there are teams that are sort of writing it off in a way, you know, before you really even get going trying to do maybe with the Astros did. And that's tough, you know, right now. I mean as a somebody who follows the the San Francisco Giants in the Seattle. Mariner's? I mean, look what the Mariners did this past year. I mean, you know, they really offloaded a lot of guys. And I think they're gonna offload even more. You know, my son is, you know, a really budding sports fan, and I really wanted. You know, I really am hoping that there's a winning team on the field to kinda capture his imagination the same way that the clippers captured mine, but I don't know that that's going to happen anytime soon, you know, the Mariners are off to a good start. But you know, so so yeah, I mean, I feel like the issues have continued. And that it's it's maybe doing even more damage to the sport than people realize at least in some markets. Well, make no mistake. It's big business. Big businesses. Right. And and many of those business like decisions and valuations and money flows and real estate, right, which is really become almost sort of the twin evil but component right of revenue streams, and all that kind of stuff to that of the brand and the and the ticket sales in the in the media revenue. You know makes for not only interesting times. But also, perhaps you could make the argument kind of gets in the way of some of the purity of y sports or played in the first place. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. And you know, again, maybe this is something that every generation says, but you know, it just it just feels different. You know? I mean and part of this book what I wanted to do was I wanted to write about, you know, baseball in what felt to me at least like a more pure form. And this book helped me to get more in touch with, you know, back in touch with my love of the sport. Why I fell in love with the sport in the first place. And I hope that people that read it, you know, they'll be a level of nostalgia in there and love for the game. You know? I mean this stories about you know, trying to sneak in another inning on the little radio on a warm summer night. And parents telling me to go to bed. And and you know, they leave and I get under my covers I quietly click the click the radio back on because I just I can't not listen, you know, I mean, I've got it here. How it turns out? You know, that's is something that I think you know, that a lot of us miss, you know, that that just sort of just love and passion for the game. I mean some of its its youth, but you know, life gets in the way sometimes and you get busy. And you know, it's it's sometimes hard, you know, the big money gets involved and it's hard to enjoy the game. I think sometimes as much as as back then and I wanted to kinda right about that. How a team can just grab you when you're that age, and the stakes can seem so high, and you know, you you kinda live and die by two questions for you. And I appreciate your your time thus far. So you interviewed a ton of players actually just about all the players, right and managers thought about this process. Right. I just want to get a sense of how they felt about all this. It was it was it warm and fuzzy and the style Jay. Or some kind of little you know, bitter or put off by the fact that they never made it to the next level or I'm just curious sort of the general themes that you got from the actual participants in all of this. Most of I did manage to track down wanna say something like twenty nine of the thirty seven players that had been on the roster that year for most of them. They were great. You know, they were willing to talk about it. You know, it was a winning season. And there were a lot of good memories. I think it was a good group of guys. I know it was a good group of guys. And you know, so yeah, I mean, I think that a lot of them really enjoyed the walk down memory lane. Now, there were some guys that I either couldn't find despite my best efforts. Or who I'm pretty sure I did find in terms of leaving a message somewhere writing a letter who I never heard back from. And we know one of the things I had to remember is, you know, I'm sitting up in the stands and listening to the radio and and loving this. But you know, for some of these guys this was not an easy season for some of them. It was literally their last season in professional baseball. Maybe the end of dream. Maybe they were going through some difficult things. I think that it was bittersweet. I spent I went down to Santa Rosa, California. I attract on Marshall Brant now again, this is my childhood hero a hero in Columbus. The only clipper ever to have his number retired. Not even Derek Jeter has had his number retired for the clippers yet. Least. And yeah, he was a real hero. The kind of guy who you know, would would teach kids and clinics and visit them in hospitals. And you know, as I say in the book, you know, that cliche about what you should run for mayor. Well, that was Marshall Brant. He was a hero on and off the field and Columbus. Well, you know, I went to his house, and I talked him on the phone some. But and I had never met him. You know, I maybe I was too shy. I never went down to try and get his autograph or anything, but you know, knock on the door. And this, you know, six foot four six foot five silver haired guy answers, and you know, I'm thinking, well, maybe I'll be able to talk to this guy for a couple of hours, and that would be great. That'd be really fun. One. We sat down in his house, and we talked for ten hours. I mean, we had Neal's together I mean, and he opened up to me a lot not just about baseball and his career in baseball, but about life and about how wall he was hitting all these home runs and and had hero status that he was really being hard on himself inside and fearing that he was going to not be good enough. And that's something that I really related to. And so I also scared him a little bit because I remembered or had tracked down really obscure things like walk off home runs. He didn't spring training games in nineteen seventy eight. So I think I kinda freaked him out a little bit. But then I went back to his house, and we talk for a few more hours the next day. And so, you know, this is a guy who you know, again, he has sold cars and done various other things. And you know, he's got grandkids, and, you know, break guy, but he's still, you know, he's he's haunted by the fact that he only got twenty at bats in the majors. He never stuck. He never made it. He still dreams about it. And and I I write about that. And so. Oh, it's it's certainly been bittersweet for some of these players to talk about it. But I think you know for the most part it's been an enjoyable thing. Again, I'm going to Columbus coming up here and several of the former players coming around these events to kind of do a mini reunion. And it's great. I mean, you know, I'm going to go back to my old hometown. And have a, you know, much hood heroes, there some of them at least as kind of a celebration of this. And that's I mean, that's that's really a special thing. I feel very fortunate. So here's my last question that is about Columbus itself. Right. So we kinda hinted at it earlier on Columbus really kind of become quite the the megalopolis what did the clippers and what have the clippers sort of meant to Columbus in terms of its major league sports status. I you could make the argument that some of their their spotlight in the early eighties. Here maybe helps set the tone for future professional sports consideration. And then landings with folks like the crew in the blue jackets, and and frankly, maybe some other the Columbus destroyers in the Rena football. I mean there it's clear that Columbus is now very much on the map of a lot of different leagues and an operations as as supportive of a professional franchise and in many different sports now. Oh, I think the clippers definitely have played a part in that. I think that you know, they were I mean, you know, high state football, as I've mentioned was was sort of you know, like like certainly like the major leagues if not more people in Columbus and still is. But you know, it's just it was just a part of growing up there. And you know, as I've done this project. I've talked to, you know, so many people that have said, you know. Yeah. You know, my dad grew up there, and he he loved the clippers and he he loved going to those games. And I, you know, he's really excited about this book or. You know, I grew up there. And I remember Steve Dahl bony launching these home runs. And I'm very grateful to, you know, the kind of, you know, godfathers of the clippers, you know, Harold Cooper, and George sizzler and can't Shawki who's been there for for many many years and runs the show there now for putting that product on the field. You know, I share in the book about how baseball was a real friend to me that season incense, and you know, real way for me to bond with my dad, and so yes, it's it's been very dear to Columbus. And and definitely you know has paved the way for teams like the crew and the blue jackets and others as well. But I I'm very grateful for it. It came along at a really important time in my life. And you know, sent me on a course to being a lifelong baseball fan sports writer and always having warm memories of Columbus for sure even though I was only there for a few years when I was a kid, you know, here I am still writing books about it. So a special thing for. Sure. All right there. It is. Thank you to Dave. And that book is called almost Yankees the summer of eighty one and the greatest baseball team. You've never heard of it is a fun read. It's a very well written. It is published by our friends at the university of Nebraska press. You can get it wherever books are sold in and keep an eye. If you're out in Seattle or in Columbus, and look I hope sometime in New York as well, you Yankees fans out there. 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Tom Stone, Author

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

13:24 min | 10 months ago

Tom Stone, Author

"Hey this is Kirk herbstreet. Welcome back to this great college football rivalry earlier today we miked up the huddle. And here's what we heard. He didn't what town it is ready for this game. We're not say smoke. Say Sausage pins in Akron told to fire up that grew that is one intense home gate. ECKRICH you do you. This is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Shop and now that we're a couple of months removed from the world series and spring. Training is still a couple of months away. We really are in the middle of the baseball did season. This is the hot stove time of the year. So it's a perfect occasion to talk about a new book by Tom Stone. It's titled Titled Now taking the Field Baseball's all-time Dream Team's for all thirty franchises. And let me tell you this book is something else it six six hundred pages. This is not one of those books that was written in a couple of weeks spy. Just some fan. This is very thorough. Methodical old Look at every team in baseball history. Every franchise explaining its methodology for determining the best player each position for each of those franchises sizes and it is a pleasure to welcome to the sporting life. The man who undertook this book writing this book now taking the Field Tom Stone Tom. Thank you for being with us. Thanks so much down the honor to be with you Tom. This is as I said quite an undertaking and it's very thorough. You must be obsessive Yeah yeah and it's Kinda got a long history to it. I grew up there. I born in the early seventies and by the early eighties. I was into one of those kids that played baseball but living in Rochester New York. You can't play your own weatherwise and so I had big paperback a big. You Know Two thousand page encyclopedia. Then I'd pour through the stats and with my friends about who should be in the hall of fame and stuff like that. I've been thinking about this top who the best players ever for a very long time. Now obviously this is something you know real baseball fans love to have these debates. You know if you're a Yankees Fan for instance who's the greatest center fielder in Yankees History Dimaggio or is it mantle. It's obviously not a real cool even though he's a hall of Famer Aamer There are a lot of teams. Obviously where you know. We're debating players not of that caliber as the greatest Everett their position for that particular franchise when you make your final determination and I've looked through the book. I'm not going to give it away. Are you choosing based on on peak performance. Meaning a player who Performed at his very best over short burst of time. Or is it about longevity is about you know choosing somebody I can't think of a great example off the top of my head but let's say pictures from the Boston. Red Sox smokey Joe would for two or three years is good pitchers there has ever been versus somebody You know might pitch for the Red Sox for like ten years like I guess like Tim Wakefield right who has never that dominant but obviously had more wins and and and accumulated more stats. How did you choose? Yeah good question. So I tried to strike a balance between those two days and one of the ways that I did. That actually was a lot of the author of living on this before the fans are going back to the fifties actually on on all I dream teams like this. I wanted to do things a little differently in a couple of ways one. I chose the thirty. Austrians gave me a firm room instead of just a starting lineup pitchers. They gave me a lot of those guys that each club for a long time as well as those that were maybe shorter under ten year but had really strong performances and then also my use of went of wins above replacement one of those newer safer metrics stats sort of a baseline statistic to get me going. The only yeah I looked at and we can talk more about the methodology. The minute but But I did start with here but I didn't look at their totally water for that club. I also looked at their peak the top three war seasons. That's what I used to make our peak and so I looked at both total war peak war I looked at You know one of the team. Also if their best seasons received Tom Stone about his is new book and it really is. I think something a lot of baseball fans will get a kick out of now taking the field. Baseball's all time Dream Team's for all thirty franchises franchises. And you know you start where I think most people would would think you would start when you're talking about all time. Dream Team's for franchises. You start with the Yankees whom he thinks about the Yankees you've got you've got ruth then you've got garrick and you've got mad till into Maggio and and Berra and a handful half a dozen the greatest players in baseball history. I think we're up to like nine Yankees now. Who are in the hall of fame who never played so much as a game for any other team What is the most loaded single position for any team in baseball history? We mentioned Centerfield for the Yankees. Those two guys are at the top is this is demise Yo mantle the most loaded the toughest call anywhere. Yeah I would say Dimaggio Mantle in terms of who would be the number one there. And then you've got all combs Bernie Williams. You got some good depth there instead of fuel for the Yankees Dodgers Number One pitcher Sandy Koufax and Clayton Kershaw if you look at regular season performances. It's it's a very very close call. Include the postseason of course Colfax comes out way ahead But that'd be a close call in terms of overall depth though going back to the Yankee catcher. They're pretty strong. You'll borough bill dickey term in Muslim. Hor Pasta elston Howard Gary Sanchez. I mean lots of great players. I mean it's probably one reason that the Yankees have been so good over such a long period the timing catcher such an important position and they've always had some great. We're speaking with Tom. Stone about his new book now taking the field. Baseball's all time Dream Team's for all thirty two franchises now with all due respect to some of the teams. I'm going to match now. It's fun and you can have these very sophisticated arguments in high stakes arguments when you're talking about Out the Yankees or the athletics or the dodgers or or the giants giants first base. That's a tough one too. You know mccovey and paid a Bill Terry. We could go back some more Jack Clark. What about some of these newer franchises where there's not You know there aren't Art Anne Obvious choices is it hard to Kinda choose among the guys who are just kind of okay. Yeah I found things to be hard. I find it hard to do. The the big name franchises like you mentioned the long standing ones particularly the nationally ones that go back to the eighteen hundreds and those teams that are the most rabid fan like the cubs and the Yankees. And the Red Sox. 'cause you 'cause you WanNa get right right otherwise you'll hear about it and I certainly have heard about it on facebook and elsewhere but yeah the expansionary eighteen strictly the most recent one from the nineties like the Rave Iraqi marlins diamondbacks. Picking the starting lineup is one thing but when you gotta go to pick backups. Now you're getting some guys that really don't seem to fit well with the concept of an all time dreams of backup catcher for the waves or backup shortstop for some of these teams things like that so yeah that got to be a little bit of a stretch and a little bit of an idol exercise. I mean they were they were fine. Players played many usuals clubs. Ah Not exactly the perennial most of his that you'd expect and you're in. You're talking about franchises in in all their innovation. So you're talking about correct me if I'm wrong and we're talking to Tom Stone about his new book now taking the field Where he picks Dream Team's for all thirty major league franchise if we're talking about the Atlanta braves? They are the original major league franchise writer the longest running. They are the Cincinnati red stockings right. Who became the Boston braves? And eventually the Milwaukee Braves and then the Atlanta braves. Yeah my was. It had to be a continuously running franchise in a technical sense. So there were a few teams that I forget which one the eighteen hundreds and there's a lot of movement and it seemed like maybe it was the same team but technically it had a new owner. I knew roster from one year to the next but in a lot of those cases It was on continuously running from the eighteen seventies or eighteen eighty all the way through modern times and that means that for some fans and say the Minnesota twins and including their time as the Washington senators which for some twin fans and might not care as much as a about those players but the benefit is when you look at that roster all the more unloaded. Because you've got the big train Walter Johnson as today's picture. So here's a tough one to okay Tom. So you know you've got You've got grover. Cleveland Alexander Arguably one of the four or five greatest pitchers of all time right Mostly with the Philadelphia phillies but also the Saint Louis Cardinals. That's you know the teams people associated mostly with You Got Steve. Carlton pitching half a century. Sixty years later than grover Cleveland Alexander. And you're not just choosing a starting four starting five you're choosing a greatest. Starting pitcher retrench is right. Yeah put them in order so that was a tough one phillies. We're pretty sterling with Carlton Alexander Robin Roberts Coming in third so yeah not bad that so so who won. Carleton or Alexander I rated Carlton Higher in part because Alexander had more of a split career confident of course started with the cardinals but But lefty had such good years. I think the FORCI youngest with the phillies or something along those lines. So four CY youngs winning twenty seven games for what like a fifty four win team or something like that right or sixty win team. No doubt so. It's interesting though. So you know what you're doing and I think only baseball geeks like us. We would care about these distinctions. But you're not saying for instance that Steve Carlton was a better picture than grover. Cleveland Alexander. You're just saying he was a better philly then. Grover Cleveland Alexander. Yeah and that's a key point and and another thing I did not on the authors and and so on. That have done this in the past done. Is I allow players to make more than one of these roster Mr so Frank Robinson is the one that comes to mind first. He's spent his career between the oils and he's a starter on both of those rosters in my book. Eddie Collins Lefty Grove Jimmie Foxx. Lots of players make it on more than one strand. The I mean Joe Jackson Jackson for sure Chris Speaker players that made it for the expansion teams in particular. Because it's easier to make those Russia want less talent to go through so lots of players make too and a handful actually ended up making three rollie fingers as world. No one Ryan is another Maybe maybe a little controversial for people. That maybe aren't a fan of his anymore. But a rod makes it on the three learners Yankees and Rangers surly stats. Are there. Were speaking with Tom. Stone and again his new book and it's a lot of fun is now taking the field baseball's all time Dream Team's for all thirty franchise. I'm sure people ask you this all the time. You've been studying this for years. You've put this all down in black and white The obvious answer you know with all those greats is the Yankees but there. It doesn't necessarily mean gene that They're certainly not the strongest every position. Not Mrs strongest in every position but but there are few positions at which you know there there. There are all time greats of for the Yankees as there are for other teams overall best team full roster versus somebody else's this is full roster. What are the two greatest? All Time Franchises in baseball history. I do get asset a lot. I think if you just look at the hitting line Nikki's would probably be at the top on you can make education the giants. They've got a pretty stack lineup as well. Maybe a few other teams with the competitive hidden. Why didn't even mention Johnny mize where we talk about? First base right for the giants. That title mccovey paid a little bit Bill Terry in In the nineteen twenties they had a hall of Famer. First base is to WHO has it. It was bill. Terry was Bill Terry in the nineteen twenties yet he hit four hundred thirty. And then they're outfielder Willie mays pounds and now on. I mean that's arguably as good as the Yankees you know. They're very strong relief. Pitching I would. I would say Yankees or throwing Mary. Auto Scott Awesome sparky lyle. Dave Righetti very very strong. It's the starting pitching with the aren't quite as good as some of the other clubs. They got great players Hall of Famer. Whitey Ford Lefty Gomez. They've got around three Andy. pettitte certainly no slouches there. But when he compared to the other teams go read roughing. Yeah like like the dodgers. The dodgers like I said earlier with Colfax and Kershaw Shala with Drysdale and fans and Sutton or the giants with with Hubble and And Christine Magnusson one mirror. Shell great pictures there. And then as you mentioned mentioned the car or the phillies rather than Carlos Roberts the other so I think from kitchen standpoint some other teams could could top top. The Tom will thank you for writing this book and spending all the time researching it. It really could be an endless source of amusement for anyone who wishes to pick it up. It is titled Now taking the Field Baseball's all-time Dream Team's for all thirty franchises encyclopedia. Look at the rosters of all of baseball teams tomstone. Thank you for joining us. Thanks so much Jeremy Real pleasure talking to you. I'm German shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on e._S._p._N.. Radio and E._S._p._N. APP beginning at six A._M. Eastern time.

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Yankees 3B Coach Phil Nevin on Aaron Boone's Impressions, Fighting A GM

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

45:31 min | 5 months ago

Yankees 3B Coach Phil Nevin on Aaron Boone's Impressions, Fighting A GM

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. This is the baseball tonight. Podcast for Wednesday may twenty seven two thousand twenty producing from his home studio in Connecticut. Is Taylor Schwenk? I'm buster only working for my home studio just north of New York City and last night after the owners sent their proposal to the Players Association. I got a text from somebody in baseball. Who's note was? I'm watching the whole thing being driven off a cliff that was generally the reaction from folks around baseball yesterday. Taylor about the proposal that went from the owners the players. That ain't there was hope that this would be a building block in which we could move forward and maybe it turns out that it is. Maybe it's spurs some conversations but man the feelings around baseball yesterday where raw yet seemed pretty contentious It's pretty disappointing that ownership. I mean they must have had some sort of feel how the players react and then the throw this out there. That seems like it was you know. Pretty unanimously rejected is discouraging to say the least. So we'll see what they were gonNA come counter or the owners gonNA throw something out new. We'll we'll see how it all goes down. Yeah we're GONNA talk a little bit more about that when Paul hembekides joyous little while today will be talking with the Yankees third base coach. Phil Nevin who discusses? The Guy He thinks is the best base runner not someone especially fast and the physical confrontation he had with general manager but I the news and notes. The owners forward their latest proposal to the Players Association on Tuesday in which Major League baseball suggested. The players who take salary role black rollbacks on a sliding scale the more money they make the bigger cut they accept the player. Making minimum salary would get percent pay but on the other end of the scale of player making twenty million dollars or more would just get twenty percent of their prorated salary for whatever number of games are played. This year I communicated with players at agent yesterday. The response was anger. Even among perceived moderates mets pitcher. Marcus Stroman tweeted out. This season is not looking promising right Anderson. The longtime left-hander tweeted out interesting strategy of making the best most marketable players potentially look like bad guys. I got it from suppliers last night. Agent Scott Boras Center note to them encouraging them to refuse any more salary cuts let alone in eighty percent cut. The Players Association made it afforded a statement to our colleague Rica. Ross that read. The proposal involves massive additional pay cuts and the Union is extremely disappointed. We're also far apart on health and safety protocols beyond that the Oakland Athletics announced that feeling the financial crunch of a two thousand twenty season that has yet to get off the ground implemented a system of furloughs and salary reductions that went impact the majority of baseball operations department. In addition the athletes also informed minor leaguers on Tuesday this according Jeff Passan That they will not continue paying them. Four hundred dollars a week after the end of the month according to sources familiar with the situation. Jeff's on a Senate a tweet subsequently in order for the Oakland athletics to pay their all their minor leaguers for the rest of the summer would cost them something. The range of one point two million dollars which wouldn't seem to be a lot of money for an owner who's worth upwards of two billion dollars jumping into the numbers. Matthew evaluating millions of Leeches data playing the Cincinnati. Do hundred points where it. This is his Hembo nose. Paul and mckean easy researcher. Espn A hot show on the show. Get up but we have subsequently learned that his real value the shows. Because he's a wild partier and Mike Greenberg lives vicariously through him Hembo. Welcome the show this week last week. I the owners and the players to that couple in the movie war of the roses. Look we didn't plan on injecting that again into the conversation this week but after that proposal that I just not off the top of the show that the owner sent to the players to you get my point I get your point buster this this frivolous partier as my. Greenberg calls me now when his wife inlaws on Friday night and we watched war of the roses per your recommendation and we enjoyed it. Not only did I enjoy it but I thought that your analogy In comparing the plot of the movie with a relationship that Tony Clark and rob Manfred his having perfect in my the the the sort of image they take away image for me from that imagining Tony Clark as his adviser who is just telling Him Tony. You guys got to get your ducks in a row. Here this is important and he says but I have more square footage of where we are and that was my takeaway line and I thought it was a really fun. Way To analogize where the two parties are as at this time. All right I'll humorous side. I felt like that yesterday and I talked about this on the The game the broadcast today. K B O Broadcast Today. That yesterday was the darkest day in the labor relations between the players. And the owners since the nine hundred ninety. Four ninety five strike That it hit an absolute rock-bottom because now on the players side they're wondering what the heck's going on there was some hope especially among the moderates that they could build off the proposal the owners at forty yesterday and they could really dig in negotiations ations and start to haggle and now In some respects I think the nature of that offer has essentially coalesce the the moderate Groups and then for lack of a better way to describe at the Scott Boras groups where they're now wondering. How do we best respond to this? Offer which we find to be completely unacceptable Do they do the old thing you know you and I have had professors? You probably did this with With us when we were in college. Just hand paperback you say no sorry not accepting that do it again or do they actually ignore the offer so to speak and give a counter offer an act like that was never there and just try to keep the dialogue going. That's where we are in these talks. Hembo well what happens? Next is going to be utterly fascinating. I I read the report yesterday afternoon. Early on and and you know came came Came Away with some some some obvious notable takeaways. But I didn't really grasp I think the the sort of gravity of the context the context that you're talking about being potentially the darkest since the mid nineties Mark the sheer me yesterday afternoon. And just sort of unloaded and after hearing him sort of conceptualizes perspective as a former player announcement who's in our industry really sorta clicked for me because what with the League did was really something extraordinary. Because there's really no way around it in my judgment. This is going to kit players against each other. Because there's really no there's really no way around it. Buster because of the economic disparity in the game because of the sort of you know wide ranging You know incomes at no various players have. There's just absolutely no way based on based on this proposal and based on where they might go anywhere close to a majority of people are going to be satisfied from this bus. They're doing just to include method. It strikes me that about seventy eight percent of the player pool has accrued less than six years of service time. Sixty five percent less than four years and forty four percent less than two years so the proposal. Even though it's far from satisfactory obviously is obvious it is it is targeted towards those players. The players who have not yet had the chance through cruel lot of career. Earning but those aren't allowed players into sport right now. The you know the the sort of top the top ten percent of players. Earning more than half the money so that to me. The economic portion of this from that perspective is the most fascinating thing because there are players making a wide variety like sort of income disparity between the top guys and the minimum guys in so large Major League baseball right now that I think mark framed. It's me actually was the this to rather than pit owners versus union it's GonNa pit player versus players and that obviously is what the League wants from a public standpoint because of how much of a disaster. This has been so far boy. Yeah the one thing is is that I just wonder if the that the cuts that they ask for so draconian so steep that even among the players who would benefit. You know in theory the the most the younger players who wouldn't give up a lot if they would go no they're trying to crush us You know I've mentioned in the podcast before that. How look it's no secret that the relationship between a Major League Baseball Rob Manfred and Tony Clark? Union head is probably the worst that we've seen between the two sides in twenty five years and now I'm beginning to wonder and this is total speculation on my part if the feeling on ownership's side where we've heard about teams that were there feeling is it almost would cost them more money to actually play the season. Yeah that if they're feeling is increasingly in the ownership side you know what either. We're going to get a deal the way we WANNA deal or there's not going to be a season and we're gonNA use that to essentially foster chaos and change in the other camp While sacrificing the two thousand twenty season we're going to get killed financially either way but maybe on the back end of of this we get to deal with people that we feel like we can work with better what I like a good point buster. The answered the question who has more to lose without a season players or owners the correct answer to that question. We know a hundred times over is the players they have way more to. These owners are billionaires. These owners are going to lose money anyway and the way that you're framing it. I think is the right way to do. So because like you said if these guys are going to lose money anyway and and they're they're putting this they have to feel like they have to bend over backwards to be able to accommodate. They have so much less to lose whereas the players look. This report was leak for a reason and it was up with the numbers forty reason the numbers are so important because the the yes. The PRO figures and the reductions are enormous in relation to what these guys are making but no average American. We've talked about this a lot. Average American is going to feel badly for Major League Baseball player who nitin normally earns seventeen million dollars. Who's going to earn? Seven million dollars knows numbers. Being a part of the leak is huge. Because again it's going to come back to who is going to be the sort of public villain and if you're if you had these players like we were talking about the last couple of weeks ago with. Bryce Harper and Blake sale at these players are loudly and opposition to the economic plan. It's going to be them. Come across as the bad guys and those numbers being a part of the of the league I think eight or by is by no means from and I gotTa Tell. You you know. I wrote a column last week about how I really felt like and I. I still feel like that. The Players Association have has the leverage of this very moment in other words in order to go forward the the owners need them And my suggestion was to par. Lay some of that leverage of the moment into trying to improve the or the union circumstances going forward whether it's Free Agency and salary or service time manipulation or tanking and. I still think that there's an opportunity for that. But boy they have to come together and visitors. Unless you're there is an opportunity for that. Oh Yeah I don't think I don't think we're too late. But based on what I've based on what I'm seeing the. The reactions are direction as too disjointed and the leader. Shied Union side is stronger cohesive enough to make that happen but I think in an ideal world yes the way that the NBA Players Association has been able to. You know push forward recently has been very beneficial than because that means there's fewer constituents but also they've been a lot more unified. The lack of unification now is happening at the worst possible time for the players and the totally get sucked out as a result of this. And can you imagine a summer with hockey and with basketball but not with baseball? I just can't imagine the worst thing I the league. It can't imagine not not only that but I do think that while the players have I do think they have leverage of this moment but you know big picture. It's like If you went to a poker table and there's the neighborhood guy who's got a thousand dollars worth of chips in front of men on the other side is the less talented millionaire who's got a much bigger pilot ships in the end. That guy with more chips is going to win. And I think that the players probably need to recognize that that they can't take on this larger massive fight and they should try to find some middle ground like they should be endeavouring not to say they should absolutely surrender collapse. But I think that they they need to keep this conversation moving forward in some form or fashion because I think to to basically have the owners going to the mattresses to playing this game of Armageddon and you know a game of chicken driving the you know the cars off the ledge players are going to lose in the end and that's why it's important to keep the dialogue going forward but after yesterday's proposal. I just don't know if that's going to happen all right. We interviewed Phil Nevin yesterday. He was excellent talking about baserunners and he picked up a surprising name. Paul Goldschmidt as the best space runner. That he's seen what he got on on him. What else you got Mr Navon. That's an interesting observation. I would I think a really compelling numbers on Paul Goldschmidt the base runner which is obviously just not something big about Marchesi for the core threads grizzlies outstanding hitter and a gold glove infield but those two stolen bases. He owns score the top seven seasons among active. I face than the only active first baseman still thirty season. He Stole Thirty to twenty sixteen in owns a career. Seventy nine percent success rate which we both know is you know well above a break. Even point. He thinks the extra-base buster his career. He does so with forty. Five percent. Criti number was forty seven percent last season. Just for some context on that. Because it's not a number you see a forty seven percent Extra-base has taken rate is higher than traits earner and Dee Gordon and Cisco Latour and cody bellinger and the robots. We're talking about an elite base runner in terms of taking the extra base. You boil it all together. Buster baseball reference Has a a number? It uses a runs from base running. It's the number of runs better or worse than average. The player was for all base running events. It's not just the you know the extra bases and all the rest of it for career. Paul Goldsmiths Plus Nineteen is address. Some more context that just have outstanding. That number is these are some figures from other notable players that have played since he debuted in twenty eleven. Extra Fowler's Seventeen Ian Kin Fifty Jose altuve a fourteen Adam Jones thirteen. We're talking about real value added from a slugging first baseman. This is the player. When you blend. All three of still together could very well be on hall of fame track here. He's clear. Forty was above replacement for his career. He's got a long way to go and one of baseball's desk as great teammate. And you hear nothing but great things about him. I hope we can have them on the podcast soon to talk about taking angles is. He's running the bases is Phil Nevin talked about. But we'll see him. Oh all right. I'll talk to you soon instead. We're talking about square footage winner. Boy Play twelve years in the big leagues at two. Hundred Eight homers. He made the All star team. Two Thousand One and he is now the third base coach of the New York. Yankees and Neb I start with the question. We all ask these days. How are you doing? I'm doing you know what I'm doing. Great I mean it's I'm not you know it. I know it's tough times for everything but I think with anything in life you make the most out of what you have I'm very fortunate I. I have a lot of things but the important thing that I have right now. Your family's around and we'll never get this time back You know my boys are eighteen and twenty two as we spoke. I have a daughter. That's twenty nine. That's getting married as January and You know we've just we've all been at the House. We've all been hanging out My my son had to. We had to go get his stuff from Baylor University where he goes a couple of weeks ago so the three of us the boys and I rented an RV and took off and drove about four or five hours a day and just kept finding cool places to stop and camp and finally made it the Waco and got us stuff. And then I did the same thing for a few days on the way back by myself so while they drove his truck and and then we liked it so much. We took off last week and just slept in the motorhome and played golf up in the bay area and Monterey and we're making the most out of it were I mean barbecue for breakfast and eating breakfast dinner and try everything new every day. It seems that we working out. And we've got a blast. It's cool that you guys are all embracing that experience You're right that's It's time that we're all going to remember a time that you know we'll all we'll all cherish and should make the best of. I appreciate you to join us. Sports some storytelling to help distract us a little bit of had there's so many conversations and last week we talk with a lot of coaches. So I'M GONNA compare notes with but I wanNA start with this. Of course you work with Aaron Boone who I worked with ESPN and he is famous for his impersonations. And I'm curious about how much of that that you see because I get the feeling he's toned that down a little bit but I wonder if every once in a while he might Drop your mannerisms on you and suddenly you realize you looking in a mirror. Well Buster guys. No I grew up with Aaron. And he'd always he comes off. Yes the impersonations. He does are incredible. And I've seen him since we were probably I think Matt Aaron when they moved to California Let's see I was a sophomore in high school. So Aaron. Abandon this seventh grade I've been seeing it since he was probably about thirteen. Fourteen years old. And you would think you know. He's the manager of the Yankees. And you know he's GonNa have to gain some maturity and things like that. Well we get behind closed doors where we're just him and I hanging out together after a game or spring training and all those things from when we were fifteen sixteen years old it's it's like amplified times to just because he tender because he just knows more now it more people in players and the imitations and the sayings and they never ends We'll sit over a glass of wine or whatever and you get them. You get them all night and it's almost like he's got some sort of. I don't know that Terrell thing where you just kinda just start blurting things out that you know. He comes into his head. Imitate BUSTER ONLY AND IMITATES KIRK GIN. And all the guys he worked with that he loved so much and then gets onto the players and then it gets to songs and movie lines. That never ends -Buster I think you remember that. Oh yeah well he's got me down. He'll he'll suddenly start walking to me and ill replicate my walk and they okay whatever. Just move on and do whatever it does. He have you down fill. Yeah he's He. He breaks out quite often. I mean it's it's operating the clubhouse He'll put the shades on. You know like I had when I was in college and actually warming pro ball. But yeah he know the toe tap and the batting stance. And the knows sniffles right down every at all he he's he doesn't miss anything the the one thing that makes them so good at what he does is so observant and he and he sees everything And when you realize when he's doing these imitations all the little find details whether it's your walk or my swaying. He's he seems to have all those little things that make them. Unique right down pat. So that's what makes us special. So now he's been doing that even when you guys were back in high school well and then you see videos of when he was with his dad with the Phillies. He was doing when he was five. Six years. Old So I think any kid you know he was bake McBride and all then ski all phillies back in the day. No one guy. I never seen him do as his dad like he does his brother all the time And brench bread obviously had a unique look at him at the plate right and maybe because his dad's real his mannerisms were when he was behind the plate and maybe Aaron can't get his knees bent that much. I don't know because Bob was pretty flexible back there. You the one guy. I've really never seen do his his dad. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. I just thought of that so I'm going out to get him on that one. I always tell people that the underrated part of Erin because he is so genial Relatively easy going is is boy. He's got a snap thing going and I got some insight into broadcasting together because when he would watch. Usc play football. He would at the time of the game. He would excuse himself from whatever dinner we were at and he'd be like okay. I'm going to watch the game. He wouldn't watch with anybody else because he was going to erupt in be so intense during that time he didn't want anybody around like to disturb distract him disturb probably to watch him watching a football game he still same way and it's more yes he's he's extremely loyal to his. Trojan football really any Trojan sport. He got pretty excited when I see. Ucla basketball this year Really excited about maybe then making the tournament. I remember them talking about that S- But yeah he's you know. There's a lot of characteristics about Ed giggle and laugh out but if you when you boil right down to it the reasons that he's good at what he does and why such a good person is is is all in there in those in those little antics and and you see them. And it's it's it's it's fun to be around the you know you worked with him for for a little while and you know. I don't even for quite a long time. But these last few years together have been been pretty special and a special place with You know one of your best friends to be able to go through. This with is has been pretty cool. Who's the most intense manager? You've ever been around. Well played for many Boats is you know the first one that possibly to my head is boats buddy bell. W- guys are worked with now. Being I with Jim Leyland was this was really a special treat I was managing under him in Triple A. But came up for the for two of the three years and September in fact one year. He asked me to stay through the play offs and we ended up losing to Texas in game six. I think that was two thousand eleven. Maybe ten but ten or eleven but I just. He doesn't there isn't he. Doesn't take a pitch off. There's no very rare Lee. Is there much You know one liner funny jobs in the Doug. He doesn't occasionally but this is he's intense pits. The pitches as I've been around. Dave Righetti was probably. I know you said managers with Dave Righetti probably and Larry Rotschild pitching coaches that I can tell you this. No matter what the score no matter what the situation in the game they are living and dying each pitch and because there is on the mound and and it becomes as it becomes a selfish individual moment. Sure because you've been working with that guy so much but as far as the but in a good way I met. I mean intensity that they have route game Those two guys as far as the pitching coach but votes roach and Leland and buddy in the dugout were I gotTa tell you. There's yes in some heavy intensity going Aaron's right there I will say that I mean I think all the good ones have certain traits about him. That makes him special but at the end of the day you know there is banter sometimes in the dugout. There is laughter But there are some guys that are just a little more locked in and others doesn't make him better than the other but Aaron How's the quality? Certainly it's funny. You mentioned Dave Righetti as you were talking about his intensity. I was thinking back to those times when you know working on Sunday night. Baseball sitting next the DUGOUT. And I can't envision him and it is because rags was always so invested as you said in the player and his pitchers on the mound. You're right he. He was almost like right there with them on the rubber one hundred percent and they knew that You know the pictures in the dugout. The weren't on the game time. See that they know what it's they know. They're looking at Hampshire man. If you like that when I'm out there he's like everyone absolutely. He was because of the time he had invested because of what he cared about winning but he cared about the kid on the mound Because of the time and effort to not only he's put into it but also when you invested that much time you know that got pictures invested that much time in his work and his craft and wanting to get better And so yeah you live and die on every pitch and I think that's a good quality of any coach really when you spend a lot of time with somebody and trying to make them better. There's no bigger fan than than the guy that's trying to make them better and in the dugout and you know I. I like to think that I'm the same way you know you go through things with players over the course of a season spring trainings or or even a couple of years. Now You want to see him all succeed. And there's certainly sometimes you root little more than other times but It's all because we care not only time that we've put it. We know the time that they've put in what it means to them. So last week I was talking with Dino Evil Your colleague now is with the dodgers about coaching third base and he talked about Albert Pool Halls and he said that you know among guys who didn't run well. Albert was the best base runner that he's ever seen from his perspective as third base coach. How about for you a guy who's not necessarily considered to be fast which you think of as being an excellent base runner well to me. The best base runner in my opinion in baseball right now and I had him for a few years there. Ona's Paul Goldschmidt His angles rouses jumps Is is attention to detail. A lot of that has to do with Dave Mackay. I think he's a phenomenal base running coach And the things that he talks about but I always thought Goldie he. You Know He. He Goldie runs pretty well for a bigger guy first baseman. You wouldn't think it'd be Goldie runs pretty well but what makes him. What separates them from other guys or his secondaries are always numbers wise tops in the League has leads are always pops in the league. He's smarter. He studies it I was talked about his angles. He just he knows his body and those the right angles to take to shorten those turns to maximize his his speed when he's running And just seems to always be in. The right place always seems to be in balance You never see him Miss. Strides it bases. It's just it's just impressive to watch him go. there's a lot of guys over there. I could see that in Arizona Bapu and I think if I'm going to pick the one guy I would have to say when I talked to Dino into run Washington last week I asked them for their best send. They ever had as third base coach. The best decision they made in sending a runner and the worst decision of course for both of them the worst decisions always at the top of mind. That's the one that knows it them. I'm curious for you well I mean I don't know if they were talking about big games or anything like that. There's just certain plays that. Certainly stick out in your mind and it was one with Luke boy. Two years ago maybe Just a we happen to be playing Toronto and I know they're outfielders. Play really really deep. There was two hours and it was the basis to laugh in my mindset. Was more you know. I'm GonNa send them with anything. And the tail star Hernandez was playing lap. We really didn't know a ton about him but I knew he had a good arm from CNN. The minor leagues. But I I sat luke anyway was one hop liar and one thing. I did not know about Hernandez. He charges the ball so well For not being regarded hasn't had much experience out there. He charged the ball so well. And I mean this is a one hopper right. Tom And I started waving my arm when the ball was hit. And I don't know if Luke was halfway home before he was thrown out but one sticks out I mean it was. There's some fun ones. Aaron Hicks had two inside the park. Home runs in a matter of probably two weeks last year and between the minor leagues and the big rigs. I think I've been coaching third for probably eleven or twelve years and I've never had an inside the park. Home Run Decision really to make and we had to in a matter of two weeks and those were a lot of fun I can point to one you know and it was a playoff game last year. You might remember it Game to in. Houston we had. I had first and second guard. He was at the plate burland around inbound Getting up there with his pitches but they had a fresh pan we Call it pretty good game one but They didn't we. I'm sorry calling Christo Game Three Game One We didn't really get into their pen. 'cause WE WE KINDA had a big lead. Aj didn't use his guys really that day. So I knew they had a whole fresh pan. This was six seventh-inning and so it was a three to pitch. In and we you know the runners are going obviously. The guards smokes this ball at out to vague. And it Kinda climbs up chests They're in a little bit of a shift. But I the ball kicks out two days right and he kicks up in the air and I do know that Korea is in the neighborhood Dj is is a couple of feet from third base because he was running out of the pits. Bregman never left his post. I know if I stopped. Dj LATE SOMEBODY'S GONNA pick ball up and probably catch him round and third. If I make a decision based on where the ball's going to bounce to just one of those crazy plays and it just happened to happen in the AL CS. And I knew the ball and then I had to send him before it landed. It landed and kind of kicked over towards Korea But at the end of the day this kid made an unbelievable play if you remember. He came in and barehanded and threw the ball at eighty nine mile an hour. Throw right on the scrunching guard to I believe Carino's at home plate indeed out by you feed it it. It's I look back on and I watched it on a lot many many times. And it's a play that I would do again every time Because of the situation because of where we're at but it's also one of those just like man. If I were to work that you're one works. That one is one that would have been clearly of the best one I would say you say the best one but it takes a great base runner. An instinctual player. Like he's like Lemay you is and I didn't work out on that one. He's thrown a couple of feet. Of course I'm the third base coach so I take a lot of heat on that which I welcome obviously but it it just one of those plays were. I want that one again. You know what I mean. Because they're not many shortstops in baseball. You'RE GONNA make that same player that created and that gives us a one run lead in the AFC s and you never know what's going to happen But it was Carlos Correa. They remember the tenth inning. He hit the home. Run HALF TO WALK US off so it was. It was his day but We'll get another one. You're right I mean there are a lot. I tell parents all the time. There are a lot of times. The base coaches make the perfect decisions and the runner still gets thrown out and it doesn't change the fact. It was a perfect decision given the given the game situation. I wanted to ask you about this. I had fun Couple of weeks ago when talking with your former teammate Craig busy Oh and I asked him about some of the craziest things from his career and he goes well. There was a thing where you know. I might have been teammate. A Derek jeter you know the Astros had the first pick and and of course I started laughing because they know you. You were the first pick that year. Derek was a six pick in the draft and I said the busiest visually said I know how like that Houston. Clubhouse had such an acute sense of humor with Bagwell and with busy Oh and and I said to him on the podcast man you guys must have given never a hard time and he latter absolutely so from your perspective. What types of things would they say to you about that? Well yes all all true ultra did did ride me pretty good going back if you remember And I mentioned the the sunglasses the second ago I I came out of college yes I pick. I just come out of the college world series where I was. You know the one guy that was wearing those shades already because Augie Garrido had such good relationship with these Oakley people that were right down the street from Fullerton so I was wearing the shades I probably didn't handle my original interviews when I was drafted very well. I think I made some comments about the Astros uniforms or something like that. Which was just completely stupid of me. Twice e some players. Now and what? I love seeing these younger players that just a little green a little raw and those little things that that make a difference. Maybe there's some veteran players are around. You like you just kind of pull them aside and say hey man I then through this. I've said some things and Kinda coach through it. I really enjoy that part of it because of the fact that yes. I probably said some things that were pretty stupid back in the day but I also now. We went that summer. We had the Olympics so when the Olympics were over Myself Jeffrey Hammonds. Yhombi all those guys that were drafted in the ninety two draft. The Olympics were like end of August early September. The Astros made the decision and we tried to get in my contract where okay. I'll get a September call up. We'll obviously that was going to happen with the Olympics. They didn't say we'll bring you the Houston in September. So I was picture. That's okay I was first. Pick in the draft I had the long hair the shades. Just coming out of college You know just came back in the Olympics the magazines and all that now. I'm in the big leagues working out every day sitting in the dugout for every game. But I'm not what do you think of Big League Clare Back then? Now you know when you're you know you came up and you had goes baggy and Cami and Video Darryl kile Dray Back Pete. Harnisch Mark Portugal case in candle. I mean these guys. It was relentless I'd ever a three-man lift the atomic sit-ups I've felt for every one of them every time they did these pranks on me. I felt for it every time But you know what they were taking me out to dinners It was it was a huge learning experience for me. I just think it was handled a little wrong. Maybe the organization. I don't know if there was a good idea for me to be sitting there for three weeks and just hanging out in the dugout and traveling with the team and with nothing really else to do. But kinda hang out with the guys at night which I which I tended to Enjoy quite a bit back then and Going back though Bish Baggy Ken Cameron. Eighty all the talks that they had with me all the little things that they you know pulled me aside and said or just the examples they had. I learned so much from those guys through those times. I didn't apply them right away. it took me several years to look back and say you know what she's talking about. That's what he was talking about. That's why Cami had come to Houston and his house for a month before my first spring training to Kinda. Just show me the way. And that's the kind of person he was and the guys they were great friends of mine to this day. Miss Cammie every day. We we certainly talk about a lot of things with can Over the years but three guys that really had a huge impact on my career. They probably don't realize it because Houston didn't workout. But as years went by and I'm matured a little bit as a player and you start having those things I think in that Beijing Baggy those guys were talking about certainly and I mean I i. I would think as far as teammates go. Those were the most influential people in my career. Oh and he talked with great fondness about you. we've only got two minutes left. Tell me you talked about things that you know. You were that You did back. Then you'd made you shake your head you're note is one of the few players ever got into an altercation with the general manager. Our old friend Kevin Towers And when the memorial was held for him a couple of years ago You did such a great job. Telling that story could relate that yeah well he was actually the second marriage like and Bob Watching and I when I was Houston and we had our disagreement certainly but we patch things up over the years and I just I just definitely wanted to mention his name because of his passing recently and just a special man in the game and the things he did but Going FORWARD WITH KEVIN. That was a big myth. Like we certainly had our moment but we were more like brothers. Kinda yeah as far as we went with GM and Clare so this particular time. Now we move into the new stadium And this started in January when we finally got to start taking. Bp there and we're hitting balls and Klesko. And I were looking around going. Jeez Almighty where's we can't get one OUTTA here? I mean it's huge and there was no buildings out there. The park's changed over years removed Francis in they built structures around that have caused the winds. Change a little bit now. Did I complain about the place I feel like I very rarely did or other guys that did certainly I had my moments in this particular game now. Now it opening day Barry Bonds. It's a home run. I'm sorry it's the ball or the right to Right Center Field Wall. Jay goes over the wall catches and his berries round and I and he hit and I looked at them. I'm thinking John. He got this. When this is GonNa Land Will? Payton takes the ball back very first base and he looks at me. Says Good luck with this place very bond gets one and tells me good luck with this and it doesn't go out. I'm looking wrong where I am right. This is this place is ridiculous. Go Berry made the biggest part getting baseball. Look tiny in San Francisco so fast forward to towards the end of the year. We have three get club there four. We're we're battling. I don't remember when it was You know this is probably July mid-july We're playing the pirates. I hit a ball rights airfield that I think is going to be a home. Run doesn't matter where we're playing. It hits the wall and this is in the ninth inning. Would've would've won the game now. The pirates are changing pitchers and I walked behind second base. And I'm pretty animated as far as me thinking that ball would have been our would've won I did not gesture up to the press box. Kevin thinks I did and I never would have been looking at him. Larry Lucchino is the one that built this place so So we come in after the game which we won by the way. Richard really hit a ball after me. Mine was with two outs. Richer really smokes a ball into the gap they get caught at the wall also and I probably came across plate and said something else I remember. It was but So we go in after the game which we one. I'm doing an interview. Feel a top on my shoulder and Kevin says come here. It takes me in their coaches room. And here we go. He's letting me have it and I honest to God have what he's talking about and he you want out of here you WANNA be traded. You don't WanNa play here. What is he talking about? We just one. We were high five and now. I'm Kinda getting the gist of it. He plays this video clip for me. I'm Kevin Well. Then it escalated enough. Where Your Buddy Sutcliffe? He breaks through the door. He thinks we're GONNA fight. Suck jump on my back. It all breaks up four hours later. We're still at the stadium. Probably three or four beers deep for all laughing about the whole situation but it just blew up bigger than it should have. Kevin and I laughed about it till the day. He left US really. I mean there were so many stories through our golf trips that We laughed about that one more than anything. Oh yeah now he. He absolutely adored you any love. He loved on that story. And I'm glad we get a chance to hear from you nap. Thanks for doing this. This was fun. Hate Buster bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for Wednesday. I up Jeevan mcchord. He wants a some clarification a little mention here. How does Bob Euchre not even get mentioned on the best list of best iconic home run? Call so shout to Bob Euchre. Yeah he's got a great one for sure it's interesting. Because of course matt worked in Milwaukee Right alongside Bob Euchre. Yeah so maybe it's like picking a family member you know he just felt like you go Five people outside of the family. Yeah we we got a lot of tweets like that and that was definitely a name that caught my eye so I thought I'd throw it out. There are guy. Pk Steinberg rates in thinking of rare feats in baseball triple crown. Perfect game etc is forty forty the most difficult to achieve just for well over a century. Yeah not You don't see that very often. You know that might baby and I think it might be increasingly difficult because the way the teams players want to avert risk. And they don't really try to steal basis that often. So you're right as time goes on. That may become even something we see less often last one for today. Indra Campbell at real campsie rates in good hypothetical here. Buster if you could choose to be general manager owner of a major league franchise to go into a do or die type season with an eighty two game slate. Which team would you go with to a championship? Based on things such as finances depth and team talent sort of what we talked about yesterday with. Sarah where where would you go? Yankees? Look we talked during the wintertime. About how on paper. They are Perhaps the most dynamic team since we've seen the nine hundred ninety eight Yankees just in terms of depth the Great Bullpen Garrett Cole the front of the rotation and that's assuming by the way that Aaron judge can come back healthy and then as deals are made and you would assume at some point that the rosters will become unfrozen and teams will be able to make deals. Yeah that the Yankees are GONNA lose money this year lose revenue. But you can. Their ownership is going to be more aggressive than say a team like the Cleveland Indians. Because they know that the in the end down the road. They're going to be able to make up the revenue so it'd be hard to pick against the Yankees in a shortened season. Taylor what about you I kind of? I don't know Sarah was race. Maybe talking me into. I don't know the Astros were intriguing. The race could be good I don't maybe maybe the nationals. We have perpetually disrespected the nationals. In so many ways you know last year the last year. I don't think anybody because they were wildcard team. They weren't seen as a favorite. They go on and win the world series and then when they should dominate the news in the offseason. They don't because of the Astros and everything that went on with the science dealing. And then this spring when the nationals. We're going to have their ring ceremony. That can't even do that. Yeah I'm telling you bad. Look around for those guys. At least rings are Nice. 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Parker Inside the (Rob) Parker - Trade Deadline Edition; Eyes on Astros; Mets Buying or Selling?; Guests: Ken Davidoff Talks Deadline, Bo Porter

"Hey it's R._J.. Bell posts of straight OUTTA VEGAS podcast joining each and every day along with the Vegas pros who know as we give you the Vegas Perspective on the biggest biggest sports stories of the day sports bettors listen for the money sports fans listen to no more than their bodies. We deliver the Vegas Truth to you and we do it every single single day. That's my personal promise. Listen to straight OUTTA VEGAS WITH R._J.. Bow On apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts from the Berkshires to the sound from wherever you live in M._l._b.. America this he's inside the Parker you give us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop on Major League Baseball. Now here's baseball hall of fame Voter Number One. Oh Three Rob Parker. You're welcome into the inside the Parka podcast. I'm Rob Parker your host coming up on his show former major league manager Bo porter stops by <unk> by we'll talk about the surging nationals plus will also talk to New York Post Baseball Columnists Ken David off with the big trade deadline approaching that and much more coming up. Let's go to lead off. It's getting rob rob's hot. Take the three biggest stories in major league baseball number. One today is the trading deadline align and Major League baseball the drop dead date this year July thirty first four P._M.. Eastern this is it in years gone by you able to still add to your team through the waiver wire and a couple of opportunities to get guys on your roster in time for the postseason to not anymore. This is it so we have to think that there's going to be a lot of action today. As you listen to this podcast because teams teams have to firm up their rosters at stars at players that they think are going to be able to put them over the top and the big player out there supposedly supposedly the Houston Astros they are supposedly in on everybody as far as adding a top notch starter. There's talk about wheeler lower power bumgarner and syndergaard that they're in on all of these guys and are trying China land a big picture. It's just like a few years ago when they got just inver lander and they made a trade and they helped. He helped him win a world series so they look at. They're looking to make that happen again. I still look back at that. You're a couple years ago. When the dodgers needed a starter and so the Astros the dodgers settle for Yu Darvish and the Astros got Justin Burland or and Vert Orlando was the one that pay dividends was the reason why the Astros one Yu Darvish wasn't that good and I always think back to that did the dodgers take Yu Darvish Darvish because of the contract situation and because he didn't have any more years left so he's basically a rental and they didn't they weren't stuck with them after the season whereas ver- land or had two more years left and maybe the dodgers didn't WanNa pay the rest of that contract and be saddled with them Astros it has paid off for them going take him burland not worrying about the money situation and since then Berlin has gotten another extension so Berlin has really worked out? You shouldn't be afraid of grabbing a pitcher or grabbing a player even if they have money if they're really illegal to put you over the top and give you on a shot to win a championship. I say go forward windows a small in baseball. You can't think about about four year plans five year plans. There's no such thing if you have a chance to win a Kanada topnotch player even if it might cost you a little dull. I say make make that move number two. What are the New York Metropolitans? That's what are the New York mets doing. I do not understand understand. They went out and traded for Marcus Stroman. I like the move I like Marcus Stroman but I thought they were GONNA be sellers not buyers I they also traded Vargas to the phillies which was another surprise. What are they doing there? I know as of Tuesday Tuesday they will only five games out of the wild card race but I'm sorry to mets feel like they're out not that they're in and also the mets supposedly are going to be willing to trade either wheeler or Syndergaard so they're willing in a trade some of their pitchers so I don't. I don't understand really where they're headed. They made a lot of moves in the off season. Even got Robinson could no hoping for change of scenery they made some real big moves that people said wow the mets are trying something and it really hasn't worked out out so I am surprised that the mets so far have been buyers and maybe come the trade deadline today today by four o'clock eastern they will be buyers. I mean be sellers and moving people and realizing that they really don't have a shot to win and it doesn't make sense to take on more players if you're not legitimately in the mix so no I am confused by the New York. Mets don't know what they're doing. Yes on paper. They're still in the race but you know what mets I'm not buying you. I think you should be sellers number three. I don't know about you but Hun. Jin Review and Max Scherzer sure Zor are locked in on a national cy young award winning pace those to provide. I know everybody in the national. League League have talked all year about cody bellinger Christian Yelich for National League M._V._p.. That was the buzzed for all the year and now people are starting to finally take a look at the Cy young and where that is and where National League East rain on the dodgers coached in it'll be interesting to see how they finish the last two months of the regular season so there's a battle title for cy young and I'm paying attention and so should you pay clay travis host of the outkick the coverage podcast join me every day as I to give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports if you're looking for a sports podcasts at smart original funny and authentic alka coverage clay travis the perfect perfect podcast for you I even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with Clay Travis which features long form conversations with the biggest names in sports business this entertainment listen on Apple podcast or the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts here comes the big interview listen and learn her so let's welcome into the podcast former major league manager both mortar who is now working pre and post else game with the Washington nationals bowl welcome to the podcast appreciate it or rob. Thank you for having me to honor and pleasure to join you on the podcast. We'll bull. Let's get started David. I mean obviously you were a manager with the Astros in two thousand thirteen fourteen so where were you. I mean I get the analytics part of it. They want these guys who are analytic friendly but I do have a problem but when I saw the dodgers go into fenway park and near top more home run hitter sat on the bench because they didn't fit the analytical part that they had mapped out for the team and they wound up losing the world series to the Red Sox but how do you bench your top four homerun hitters in fenway park well. I think that I'll say this as far analytics go. I I think there is a place where the baseball I- analytic needs to be married and there are times where the analytic I believe can help hope you when you're in the process of making decisions but once the ball in play or once you get into the game there there there are there are times where you're asking them or your ability to understand people because at the end of the day we can look at all the numbers in the world but the game has been played by people <music> People Change Day to day pitch the pitch innings to end what the numbers may have told you at two o'clock that person Kim may be a different person at nine o'clock and you have to be able to devour that information and you have to be able to make those decisions that put your team in the best position to win the game that day or to be successful or put your players in position to be successful but I will speak to the point got you. May you know when you think about having a hundred home runs sitting on your bench and given world series. Obviously you've gotten to that point because of the production of those players you also gotten to that point because of the production of whoever you decide to put and those those players play I would venture to believe that those players were part of your success so if you're not going to get what got you to the dance and then and you end up losing in that fashion that's the way you played the whole year so I mean again. I I have tremendous respect for Dave Roberts. He's one of my best friends in the game. Yeah I think he's one of the best managers in the game as well so I'm not GonNa sit here and question his lineup construction or his decision. I think the organization decisions are made baked on all the information that they have about their twenty five players well. Would you like to manage again. I would love the opportunity to manage again. I think that was part of the reason why I decided to get back into the day to day of baseball and when I when I take took a look at you know my two years in Houston I think is pretty well. well-spoken evidence that you know the organization went through a complete fair Dow and I happen to be the person that was charged with with leading that organization on on the field during that tear down <hes> the wins and losses speak for itself as far as the talent pool that was a symbol but I would love the opportunity to manage again and I would say this. I learned a lot of things going through that process jetblue now and we've had a chance to visit you know over the course of the last few years I mean there's some things that I know that I would do differently understanding all the things that I understand now and I I've been on record as saying this. I actually wish I would have taken. Can this meteor route four in the manager's chair. I think it's allowed me the experience I had in Atlanta in the front office. It's allowed ought to see the game through a number of that. Let's frankly put I didn't have that experience. The first time I sat in the management here. Tell me about the nationals they've made an incredible. They look like they were on the brink of collapse and things were going to be really bad and all of a sudden they turned it on started winning second in the N._l.. Leased East look at their road record even at five hundred which as of Tuesday so what has been a big turnaround obviously have pitching but what's what's what's done the job well the first thing the first thing I would do I will give credit to Dave Martinez and his entire staff being around this team each and every day and when you are picked the win Ryan by arguably majority of the media picked the nationals to win the east and make a deep run into the playoffs if not some fixing to go to the world series and to have the first fifty fifty games go the way they went and to see Dave Martinez stay positive he say the coaching staff says positive as they say there was some factors that weight into that a lot of it has to do with one you know they lost some key players trae turner without emptying Dome Town Wants Soda Midtown Ron Zimmerman without so when you start to look having your top you know five guys in your lineup before the top five guys in a lot of Mitch considerable amount of time you know that's GonNa play a role in your overall record yeah but you know as we all know what's GonNa feel sorry for you and the Great Bill parcells say your records with your record set is these guys basically rallied together. They stay positive. I think that the schedule makers basically smelt down on this team and over the course of the next fifty games we we were able to run it off with thirty five and Fifteen Clinton and you look and we're right back in the thick of this race but I'll tell you it starts with the starting pitching <hes> when you look at the big free at the top of this rotation tation with Max Strauss and corporate you can put that free up against anybody in baseball and I think they will hold their own. ANTHEA in dome has become a legitimate M._v._p.. Candidate it and he's hardly you know WanNa be basically if not third base in all of baseball and I just think it's a deep lineup. When you look up and down the lineup you know you have APPs Soda Rondonia in the middle but you got speed at the top with Trade Turner and at a meeting and then you have some great complimentary player as you go down the lineup with you know Oh Matt Adams and how we can drink and Ryan Dosier and Curtin dookie and young? It's a bunch of guys that can actually Thank you thank you for having me on. It's time for the pocket protector century the analytic numbers. You need to know well. Maybe FSR One's Anthony Master's name B._S.. Analytics is his game what you got force. Anthony IRA common stat of the new school reads like a kind of tea no not Boba but Woah or weighted on base average. It's a rate stat that credits hitters based on each outcome with extra credit being served hitters. I who knows more extra-base hits now we'll attempts to be a catchall stat based on one simple premise that gets lost in normal batting average that all hits are not created equal all on base percentage doesn't differentiate between a single and a double while sporting percentage ignores all other ways of reaching base besides base it and so is the two components of Opie. Yes that number doesn't quite give you the best representation of a player's run producing ability enter robot. The beauty of the stat is that paints a better picture of how to better how to reach base not just if he reached base thus giving more value to a player who records a high number of extra-base hits rather than one who walks a lot. The metric is always scaled the league average O._B.. P so an average player puts up a logo around three twenty. The season Christian Yelich leads all of baseball would a world of four fifty three thanks to his pension for runs leading thirty six and his sixty extra base hits putting him in the top five in the league no surprise Yelich followed by trout and bellinger on the wilder leaderboard so opie can you in the same ballpark but Boba tells them more accurate story of run production Anthony. I remember her downtown downtown. Julie Brown on M._T._V. Wobble wobble wobble was a big week in the big leagues <music> or is it fair and now feared shadow league dot dot com and it'll be insider J._R.. Gamble Indians pitcher Trevor Bauer in a Tantrum threw the ball all over the centerfield fence is that behavior J._R. Foul or fair for Major Leaguer there definitely nothing new to baseball but in social media age everything's blown out of proportion and people act as if something is happening for the first time history this often happens after pitcher usually closer midst of bit below the setting and then get yanked. It's a display of emotion ocean it means he cares. The first picture is sought Dave Righetti back in eighty six when he blew back back save with the Yankees <hes> Nasty Happy Boy Rob Dibble did it in ninety one check the facts remember d-backs close up young Kim who melted down in two thousand one world series and game four and five. I will the two thousand two. He talked the ball over the wall as a celebration after saving a game an exorcism of Pasadena's if you will Carlos Awesome Bronco to a ball into the outfield and Fernando Rodney airmailed one to the press box after a win in two thousand nine so cavour's Tantrum isn't unusual due to the game is actually a common method is a childish maybe but baseball the kid's game and just played by men to me sucking the ball over the fence and just WANNA baseball go to move for frustrated pitches just as impressive as a batter breaking a bat over his leg after strikeout fair the only problem J._R.. That ball in the press box almost hit me I everybody Colin Coward here. Host of the ever-growing <unk> heard podcast. I'm in the honesty business. You know that I don't feel I tell you what you want to hear but what you need we talk every day about the sports stories you you have opinions on the heard podcast network. Now is a one stop shop for all sports. Fans listened to the her that H. E. R. D. With Colin Coward on Apple Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts fasten your seatbelt will be back Addison here comes Parker's top-three m._l._b.. Teams this week number three the New York Yankees they were rolling Roland until they went up to Boston this past weekend and laid an egg losing three out of four and a Yankee starting pitching and it just all over the place five or more runs in nine straight games so that was just a pretty bad they do. I'll give them credit. Despite despite everything that's gone on this year Yankees to up the fewest losses in baseball that have the most wins that the fewest losses as of of Tuesday so the Yankees this past week were five and five. They are the third best team in baseball number. Two the Los Angeles a Angeles dodgers they continue to pile up two wins. They do have some issues cody bellinger who was like on fire her in a way go in the first half of the season but you know what since the all-star break at least coming into Tuesday night cody only he has worn homerun so he slowed down to a molasses pace dodgers laws to two game series to the angels at home. They're just there's five and five in their last ten. The dodgers are the second best team in baseball number one the Houston Astros. I know they've had some bumps in the road along the way but of late they are rolling. They've won eight of their last last ten games and the other part or why you should be very afraid is that the astros are in the Hondas we we move forward to the M._l._b.. Trading deadline which of course is today Wednesday at four P._M.. Eastern supposedly -posedly there in the mix for big time starter so by the time you hear this podcast they could have bolstered through their starting rotation and make themselves even tougher so right now. The Astros are the best US team in baseball. It's time for trash. Talk twitter with your chance to trash anyone order anything in major league baseball this week's winner is nate at NATO Sorenson. He tweets this. The pirates absolute collapse in the second half from contender to basement dweller the mets Ariffin let's bring in a writer broadcaster older new. Let's welcome to the podcast Ken David Off Baseball columnist for the New York Post a damn good one too and my see W._p._f.. And Ken that stands for close warm personal friend what's happening the better you all right well we. This is going to be different this year. We've already seen this to baseball. Trade deadline is on the thirty first four P._M.. Eastern on Wednesday and you know this is it for teams is no other options to pick up players to bolster also teams after this so I just want to start with the mets who made a surprising move crazy move. I don't know how else is to categorize it but they get Marcus stroman from the Blue Jays. How shocking was that very very surprising rob? <hes> I'm very curious <hes> very odd they have a team that's middling <hes> on the periphery of the playoff race and they gave up to their better pitching prospects prospects <hes> for a guy who's under team control only next year. It's very hard to envision the mets making a a world series days run this year or next year then Mafa starring free after that and you know there's been talk that the mets are going to trade trade other pitchers. So how does this impact Noah syndergaard you know what I mean like in and what's going on it and also wheeler right <music> as well. How how how does this impact them? What is it's fascinating in the sense that they got the guy who everyone knew was gonna get traded most oh so these starting pitchers are kind of on the bubble because they're pitching for teams that are on the bottle? Bluejays are clearly out of it so <hes> they new everyone new germ o get traded so now the mets get him down the mets have more leverage in the <hes> in their discussions as they contemplate Megan Wheeler or Syndergaard Lagarde and they've already moved <hes> Jason Vargas and the phillies. It's it's amazing. What's going on our two teams I want to get to and do we expect them to make moves? I'm expecting a busy trade deadline because there's only one opportunity but we all know the Yankees need another star and the dodgers need our leave or bullpen help you expect bolted these teams to make deals on by the thirty first. I knew rob. I I think the Yankees and the Star it's just it's bleak. I just talking about the obvious targets <hes> even the mets guy the mets are not gonna give those pitches all across the bridge to the Yankees and then when you talked about the guys who are Trevor Bauer Madison Bumgarner these are pitchers more likely the novel will not be treated because their teams are being very much racer had wildcard American league and not too far behind the twins the giants are on the periphery of the wild card race and they have a manager who was retiring and Bruce Bocce at a fan base that I think largely would like like this season go for it so <hes> you know that leaves the Yankees wouldn't very few options. I don't they'll figure out something wait could be equipped because Dan fan club <hes> boy at last year guy under the radar and they hope they can turn into an accident <hes> but this is not the optimal anymore <hes> in July starting pitching what about the raise they feel like they have a shot as well obviously and went out and made a few traits rates. Did you like you sure they're just not the raise is the former hard times it's mine off off on wall behind the Yankees but <hes> their schedules very inviting. The American League has so many terrible teams that you know the rays can be S- on those teams they just <hes> finished with the Blue Jays this week and and one that series <hes> so they <hes> they can go for long. It's it's going to be hard mark for the race to advance <hes> beyond <hes> the division series but I did my law. Try to have enough talent. They're not gonNA blow up their farm system or anything anything like that so I wouldn't be surprised if they <hes> they'll throw a more say more batch or maybe even a low end starting pitcher Ken before the season he just started. Who did you pick to make the world series and I love to hear that and who do you have now as we start to head almost into August before the season Rob I think the New York Yankees and the Washington nationals to make the world series and <hes> I never changed my picks? I hi own them. I wear them. I am proud of them so I have no choice but to stick with those six and and I have been doing far worse to be frank with you. I'm with you you. I picked the phillies in the Yankees and I'm the same way I never changed my pick but his name is Ken David off a fine baseball baseball columnist for the New York Post. Hey Ken we appreciate you so much. Thanks for joining the PODCAST. Invest Rabbi Fall you the end of the year my a man bringing the closer Guo here's why M._l._B. is better than the N._F._l.. Or N._B._A. and it isn't even close hall of Famer. Ken griffey junior is the perfect person to tell you this week why y baseball is better than the N._B._A.. Better than the N._F._l.. Any Day any week do you know why you don't have to have the N._F._l.. Players Body. You don't have to be having N._B._A.. Body you don't have to be a certain height certain weight have a certain strength. Anybody can play baseball of your kid so you can aspire to be a major league baseball player. Tell them junior wise baseball cool. That's a very simple question because it's the best gay you know 'cause. It doesn't matter how big your house Malia what counts is right here you see all kinds of shapes and sizes everywhere. You live right here. That's what means everything in the words of New York T._v.. Ledge in the late Bill Jorgensen thanking you for your time this time until next time Rob Parker out. He can't get this the same bat time same Nasty Yeah You would not rob story stories that she tell off.

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Gabe Kapler and Dave Roberts Pick Their I-5 Series Lineups

Giants Splash

48:47 min | 5 months ago

Gabe Kapler and Dave Roberts Pick Their I-5 Series Lineups

"Hello and welcome to a joint giants flashing as plus podcasts on Henry showman and the giants beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle and today you will hear a zoom call featuring dodgers manager Dave Roberts and giants manager Gabe Kappler. They have selected the starting lineups and the top three starting pitchers for our interstate. Five world series to be played on the AP BA or APPA simulation game more than a hundred thousand readers of the chronicle in Los Angeles Times voted and picked to thirty four player. Teams of all time greats who grew up in northern or southern California. Those team will face off. In a best of seven simulation later this month and the results will be published in both papers. My Co host on the call was her. Hey CASTILLE. The dodgers beat writer for the Los Angeles Times joining us with Roberts and Kappler were chronicle columnist Bruce Jenkins and Times Assistant Sports editor Houston Mitchell. Who will manage the teams in the Aba Simulation? You'll hear the entire zoom called interrupted after this. Hey Audrey Cooper here editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and we've ramped up the news coming at you from fifth emission except not the physical that the mission since we're all working at home the fifth and mission. That is our flagship news. Podcast were interviewing anyone with anything to say about the corona virus so that you have the latest information as soon as we know it so check it out to the mission. Where ever you get your podcasts? Well thank you everybody for joining us. This is going to be a lot of fun. we've all been trying to figure out ways to keep you involved in baseball during the hiatus here. I am Henry Shulman. I'm the giants beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle and on the Co host Mike Michael Host. Today is hard. Hey custody. Oh who's the dodgers beat writer for the La Times? And then we have a distinguished group of people on the line here. Who WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA come up with the LINEUPS and Starting pitchers for a seven game world series hitting all the greats who grew up or raised in the bay area or northern California and all. The great sewer raised Or born in southern California and. Hey why don't you start by letting US know who you have here from so cal. Yeah so Sam You mentioned my name is woody Gusty reporter for the La Times. I'm here alongside. Houston Mitchell Assistant. Sports editor here at the Times will be managing the team. What's going on next week? AUTHORITY THIRTY FOUR MEMBER. Roster Roberts here today to pick the starting lineup the three man rotation he thought about this long and I know that for a fact. Different lineups depending on starting pitchers he. He's he's all in so it's going to be a great little project or experience. Something like like Henry sets something different for you guys You know an opportunity. Maybe as a semi baseball in an opportunity for dating engage presents lineups seven. Done that in a while a couple of months at least from March Twelfth March eleven so a chance to do something a little different here in the naked feel like base. It's baseball season again in a month and a half a minute. She have some real baseball in the meantime. Let's do this and have a little fun with it. Okay I also should point out. I have two people from northern California. Who are GonNa Represent Northern California for you but myself the writer who came up with this Bruce Jenkins and Gabe Kappler the manager of the giants? All of us are from southern California. There's a little screwy about this right off the bat. It might be in the bag for so cal here so I have by. Giants manager gave Kappler who in his first year with the giants and was supposed to exchange real lineup. Cards with Dave Roberts on March twenty six in the season opener. And I also have Bruce Jenkins my colleague at the chronicle columnist Representative for Malibu used to be And bruce kind of devised this poll whole series the whole concept and If you just kinda briefly Bruce let us know what the Genesis wasn't how this is GonNa work. Well they. Pba You ever you you get seasons you get the last season. I think I got my first season for my dad. In nineteen sixty seven play along seasons in Saugrain and you can do things like let's replay the nineteen eighty nine world series. Maybe there will be an earthquake but I kinda tired of this team today existed at start thinking more like teams and Apa can create an awful lot of stuff for in finally came up with this idea. What about the all time Northern California Southern California? Excuse me based on the grew up not necessarily where they're born but where the grew up which which gives you Jackie Robinson from Pasadena by Way Georgia East Bay. I lay out the Texas and it's just a ball from there. I created not just kind of for me and I was GONNA play John Shea on the phone next thing you know we get the La Times involved We get a PBA involved we get Gabe Kaplan Day Robertson. Golvin as it turned into this terrific thing that role excited about it and I think it's GonNa be fun and Houston you you have been. Ap A player. You know about this step right. I have plan since one thousand nine hundred eighty and they will be remiss if I didn't point out that if you call. Ba to them. They will get mad at you. It's apple and I've been playing for a long time but no one's here to to listen to me proud along. I'm looking forward to any advice. Dave can give me to make sure the southern California team comes out of Ethni- okay. Well we got a hundred thousand people From both the readers of the La Times San Francisco Chronicle who voted to create to thirty four man teams of You know with three three players at each position including D H plus. I believe it was something like What got ten pitchers? And maybe nine out at ten pitchers ten outfielders so What Dave and gave Graciously allowed are doing is Is they're going to starting lineups for game one and and the starting the first three starting pitchers and And then Bruce in Houston are GONNA play the Games. And then it'll all be done in one night and we'll have stories in the paper an online saying Who Won One thing for you fans who are on there is a queue a button down on on your screen somewhere At the end of this we're going to have fans ask questions of gave and Dave specifically about why they chose certain guys what they think of their teams things like that. Please no no questions about job. You know Free Agency and That's ever GONNA. Is He gonNA resign all that? Sorta stuff and So you can ask the questions and will not Alan I believe is going to call them and then I will or hand. I will ask our respective managers The questions for you right now. We're GONNA flip a coin to see who the is going to be a two three two four Matt just like the real world series so we're going to flip a coin for the Homefield advantage and and Jorges and so I have the coin. Have they do? Have they do the? Okay okay. Dave Dave who uncovered heads or tails tails it is. It is heads so The Northern California team will be the Home Team. So as we do this. We'll we'll get Dave's team I and Why don't we start with the starting pitchers Game One To to really really really great pitchers Dave who who do you have starting for Southern California team in game one to go with Drysdale Don Drysdale any meyers. Drysdale is a good friend of mine and but this is not a sentimental choice. I feel good about driving. Started doing okay and Gabe. We took a long time to figure out. But who's going to be your starting. Yeah we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA go with the big unit we're GONNA we're GonNa Start Randy Johnson This the strikeouts were just too compelling and figured it might make Matching up a little bit more difficult with the lefty on the mound and Yeah I know I know how. Clever doc is with with match lefties but Figured if we if we turned Eddie Murray around may making VIP from the right side and somehow avoid Christian Yelich it makes sense. Get the big unit out there now. That was the move. Okay and what we're GONNA do. I is We're going to go over this position by position Burst and then at the end. The managers will give us the batting orders and What we'll do is starting with Hore. Hey we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA read the list of the players who won the election. Who are on the team at each position And then we'll then we'll ask the managers which one they picked in why so Or Hey if you wanted to start at first base who were the newer. The three first baseman were on the. Yeah so the three choices Dave make. I'm not envious of his position. Here Eddie Murray. So one thing to keep in mind here guys people watching. Is this one specific season. You know this isn't over the course of the guy's career so nine nine thousand nine hundred eighty two Baltimore. Orioles hit three sixteen year. Thirty two home runs We got the Mark Maguire obviously ninety eight season. Change Baseball get baseball while some people are you alive. Seventy home runs that year. Obviously and the west part of the nineteen seventy dodgers so those dates three choices and another reminder. He made his lineup specifically against the left-hander Johnson says something else to keep in mind. Dave is it was on it so they choose so. Yeah before you guys. Go crazy on twitter There is also involved So just keep that in mind and Randy Johnson gave mentioned Strikeout guy lethal on lefties So my first baseman is going to be Eat drink and be Murray any Murray Okay and further northern California team. I don't have the stats handy like. Oh Hey I'm not as As prepared but the the choices here for the first base on the northern California Team Willie stargell from the seventy three pirates. Orange mentioned. It's it's it's one season it specifically the best season that these guys had in their career. Statistically is choices. Were Willie stargell. Keith of the seventy three pirates Keith Hernandez seventy-nine cards and Bill Buckner of the nineteen eighty cups and Gave you went with Yeah Those are some some really difficult choices but Willie stargell in in his best year wasn't was an absolute animal so is actually turned out to be a pretty easy choice. And he's GonNa slot right in the middle of our lineup Give us a chance to stagger some right left and make it a little bit more difficult to to up against okay a horny. We got a second base now. Yes slow days. Choices were Jackie Robinson from the forty-nine dodgers That can't from two thousand giants and chase leaf in the two thousand six phillies. Obviously as gave mentioned we all ask some great choices. There's there's nothing wrong with any of those guys but I chose the man from Pasadena City College went to Ucla and then went to Brooklyn went to the dodgers so none other than Jackie Robinson. Wow I think he would have made a good bench guy but okay. You're the good coming off the bench for he would look good coming up. Pinch running steel a base all right for the Northern California team the second base. And I'm actually reading these. In order of how many votes they got dot among the hundred thousand people who voted And but of course the managers Gave and Dave were free to pick whomever they want. They weren't bound by who got the most votes second base for Northern California. We have Joe Morgan from the seventy six or heads. We have a push. 'em Up Tony. Lose airy from the nineteen twenty set a nineteen twenty nine Yankees. He was part of that. Great Lineup with Garrick Ruth. All those guys and then Dustin Pedroia from the the Red Sox who grew up in woodland is a little town now about an hour and a half northeast of San Francisco so gave Henry. That's this was pretty easy to. It's it's Joe Morgan People forget what incredible well rounded player Joe Morgan is if you look at him and he's a little bit undersides but the dude could bash It's homers gets on base. Plays in the middle. Yeah this was. This one was easy as well okay. We'll move along to shortstop or he. Yes our shortstop Ozzie. Smith at the eighty seven cardinals Dinner hit hormone that year but obviously plays great defense Nomar Garciaparra with two dozen Red Sox the year hit three seventy two an Alan Trammell of eighty seven tigers love mall but I went with no Mar. I think that you're talking about that starter for game one for the nor CAL team in the Unit. You gotta try to find a way to slug that guy. And you'RE NOT GONNA put hits together gets randy so at no more might get a slider down in and hit went into the seats if I can just barge in here that number three choice was actually Robin Yount. Mvp and eighty two. Now I didn't have Robin Out Bruce I just had I had Alan Trammell so. Mvp TO. I didn't know why didn't get that as an option. So blame warhead not me now. I didn't either. This is what I got this email that I got no apologies day. Okay on but we'll work this out. If we can but for the shortstop for the Nash over the Northern California's I WANNA point out that. The two people who just missed the cut are two guys who are very popular now. Brandon Crawford and Marcus Simeon. They didn't make the cut for shortstop in a North Cal. Team Gave choices were deployed to Lewinsky from the South Bay. Jimmy Rollins From the East Bay and Joe Cronin from the nineteen thirty senators got. Got Some love here so Who who's going to be the starting shortstop agape what will it start with Pointing out that I might get a little cruise back from kron this match. He's he's going to be watching carefully here but Yeah this was too low for me. all this was talked. Gero is such a good all around baseball player And such an igniter at the top of the lineup. By here here. It was too low just given the all around player that he was at that time and the numbers he was putting up for the rockies in and a pretty friendly hitter environment. Okay now we have the hot corner third base at third base. We Got George Brett. Nineteen ninety royals At three ninety that year Eddie Mathews Nineteen fifty-three Braves and Nolan our NADO twenty seventeen rockies. I went again understanding that The Big Unit Nolan Aeronautical I think that George Brett Matthews tremendous players hall of famers. But I think that if you're talking about a ninety seven ninety eight the slider that comes from seems like the first base dugout been in that box against that guy Left he's don't slug him so. I think that you look at what Nolan does against left. Handed pitching gets on base and slugs and so. And you'RE GONNA. You're not gonNA find a better third base so Nolan against the unit. Okay and extend on. If there's any way you can program are not to think. He's facing giants pitching off immensely. I'll do my best okay. gave we had three choices at third base. Here that the fans voted Carney Lansford in nitty and stan hat from the one thousand nine hundred ninety thirty eight cups. Yeah Henry thank you. We went with With community here and again. This is kind of like Docs lineup. He's got some guys that had huge years and maybe if it was going for the entire career he would have made different choices. I felt the same way But with Cameron Eighty. He's just so tough you know. There's their stories out there about IMM being sick on on days during that magical season and him getting IV and trainers telling them not to go out on the field and play him ripping the IV out of his arms. And I'm playing and we needed a little toughness. And so he gets the nod at third base. All right We'll move to the outfield entree. let's go to catcher. That's the next one on the list. so yes. Oh catcher we have Gary Carter of the nineteen eighty-four Expos Lance Parrish to the nineteen eighty two tigers and Bob Moon of the nineteen eighty-eight. Angels with the Kid Gary Carter. He's GonNa be The battery up this entire series a wonderful. That's inside dope for Gay Information. Game on you get okay. The catcher the Catcher for the Northern California team we had Ernie Lombardi. The SCHWA- is from the Nineteen. Thirty eight reds. Who was at the time considered these slowest athlete in Human History We also have by Stephen Vote. He was a great hitter though. Stephen Vote From the twenty fifth as and Joe Ferguson from nineteen seventy nine dodgers a guy. I rooted for as a kid growing up in L. A. So who's GonNa Catch The big unit in Game One. Yeah Henry that's GonNa be that's GonNa be Lombardi so Stephen Vote because we love the emotional leader that he is. This actually turned out to be a hard choice and ownby open. I didn't know much about Lombardi at all. I had to go back and research. But in that in his best year he had for eighteen waited on base average I don't care how slow he is. He's in the lineup. Yeah and you know he talked. He talked about that on weighted on base average. A lot of back in nineteen thirty nine right in the outfield. There were nine outfielders. You made the team and I think even the southern California team would admit that the northern California team is pretty stack here but the whole. Hey if you wanted to kind of quickly rattle off the nine outfielders who will be on the team. And then ask Dave which three off so I stopped Ted Williams. Nineteen forty one. Red Sox four zero six. Tony Gwenda ninety four padres. You're hitting three ninety four Duke Snider from the fifty four Dodgers Christian Yelich on this past season. Twenty Nineteen Brewers Fred Lynn from the seventy nine red SOx Ralph Connor from the nineteen forty nine Pittsburgh pirates dusty Baker in the nineteen eighty dodgers George Foster from the seventy seven reds and bobby bonds from the seventy three giants. Dave alright going from left to right that you want me to do all three or just a leftfielder. Are you GonNa do all three okay? Going from left to right splendid splinter Ted Williams Field Duke Snider in Centerfield and pulling up right field is Mr Padre Tony Gwynn okay and Let's get to the northern California Is this is This is a great list Joe Dimaggio Ricky Henderson Barry Bonds Barry bonds came in third behind Rickman demise. Show which was interesting up here. Frank Robinson left. Yo dual who of a lot of you folks might not know but he He went two batting titles including nineteen twenty nine. Billy's which is The year he is here. Willie McGee Aaron judge currently with the Yankees curt flood and Harry Heilmann From the nineteen twenty-three Tiger. So which three did you select a y'all go from left to right here as well And just like dot pointed out earlier in the call. Wait to pass judgment until we talk about the year. That's an important. It's an important rookie. Ricky plays plays left field for US on and by the way like these weren't especially tough choices once we knew we had the D. H. Frank Robinson play right and jolt Joe. Dimaggio will play center for us. Okay well that's a pretty. That's a pretty good outfield right. There we will move onto the designated hitter and or Hey. Your choices are much anybody. That's make the list. So Dave who? Who's your dates? You were going a little back and forth on this. The D H Against Randy is going to be mark. Maguire Okay and I think there's name that you haven't uttered yet Gabe who's going to be the D. H. For the nation of for the Northern California. And who would that be Berry Berry? Bonds is going to be the age what I think for. A couple of years was was the The the two greatest seasons offensive seasons in in major league history So so Barry bonds gets the nod at the edge. Okay now we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do the batting orders now and It just it just funny. It's funny to me Wait till you hear the managers who they picked second to. It's such a modern thing Speak these are not abundant guys and I even joked with Gave about that Th this is not the traditional get on base Bonham over. Get Him in type of lineup on either team So a day. Would you mind telling us what? You're batting? Order is going to be all right leading us off for for the southern California allstars Jackie hitting in the two hole Ted Williams And I don't think Gabe your shift in our virtual series. Don't Shit this splendid splinter number three Eddie Murray and I liked the switch bat so you know when they want to kind of match up we could get Eddie on the left side to Mark Maguire hitting cleanup nomar hidden in the five. The Duke Duke. Snider hit in the six Nolan Aeronautical hitting seven Tony gwynn which I don't think he's ever hit AKA entire life. Unfortunately so Tony Gwynn Junior Don't don't hold it against me hitting your father a so. He's hitting eight against the unit and Gary Carter the kids at night okay and that your team is going to be facing Don Drysdale. So we know that whoever the number one pitcher hitter is is going to get knocked on his but in the first pitcher this series. Because that's what Don Drysdale bid So what is your lineup? I feel pretty good about Rookie Anderson's confidence. In that scenario. I feel like he's back off. And you know what if you gets hit? He's on first base. Ricky or maybe third base third. Maybe third base Barry Bonds. Its second I liked. Docs call with with Williams in the two hole As kinda scary up at the top Robinson and then Ted Williams Frank Robinson hits third for us then Willie stargell like I said that historic season. Jodi Maggio Hits Fifth Joe. Morgan comes in behind the Maggio. Then Ken Caminiti Troy to ski and Lombardy and the nine all around it out. Okay and before we start analyzing the teams here Just two things first of all if you do have a question for any of the managers regarding these teams use the QNA button on zoom and The only question I have so far is where gave God his cap so we'd like it to be a little more Like with a conversation the one thing we didn't do what. Hey if you could read it is if you could read the list of the The pitchers that all the pitchers who made the team and then maybe gave could say who would like to back or like pitch game two and game three. Yeah so I don Drysdale which is the game. One starter Walter Johnson from the nineteen thirteen senators. Jim Palmer from the seventies orioles. Rollie fingers from the eighty brewers. Trevor Hoffman from the ninety. Eight padres Bret Saberhagen from eighty nine. Royals Stephen Strasburg from the seventeen Nationals Garrett Cole from the Twenty Nine Nineteen Astros Bob Lemon for the nineteen fifty two Indians and BURP Levin Seventy three twins. Okay Dave Judy thank you. Who'S GONNA PITCH GAME? Two in game three in your mind game too. There are some tough ones. Obviously there's a lot of Opposite a lot of great choices. But I'm going to go with Walter Johnson and The strikeout numbers the big body Really IMPRESSIVE WORKLOAD. And obviously we were just talking about one series. But he's going to start game two and game three is gonNA be Jim Palmer and I think that I kinda toiled between some guys that are more Modern Day Garrett Cole one I think I'll take the hundred You know sometime later in the game before we get to Raleigh and Trevor Time. Okay and If you end up leading in game seven in the ninth inning This whole thing might end on a changeup if you pick. Trevor and I always thought that was funny when there'd be Sixty Thousand Ninety Eight playoff sixty thousand people screaming stomping their feet And as he came in with Hell's bells playing and then it was. It was great though for Houston. Maybe after a little a hundred from Garrett Than Jeb. So there you go all right. The ten National League pitchers Randy Johnson. Who IS GOING TO START GAME ONE? We have Tom Seaver From seventy one. That's Randy Johnson's from the two thousand. Two Bax you've Dennis Eckersley from the nineteen ninety two as now. Eckersley was a starter at at one point but this is a season where he was. I believe perfect or near perfect and saves a one of his teammates. Dave Stewart from the ninety as is on the team lefty Gomez one of the Great World Series pitchers ever nineteen thirty four Yankees Dave Righetti Also a starter and a reliever but in this case from the nineteen eighty six Yankees when I believe he was Still a starter or reliever by then C Sabathia from the two thousand seven Indians Tug McGraw from the Nineteen. Seventy two mets Mike Norris from the nineteen eighty as and John Wetland a closure of the nineteen ninety-three Yankees. So I gave after we see big unit game one. What do you think we're GONNA see in Game Two three four tonight? We're going to see Tom. Seaver in In Game Two not GONNA go too deep into Tom. I feel like is number in his history. Speaks for itself My third choice was C C Sabathia. And this one's probably going to be a little bit more controversial given all of the great pitchers on that list but I had a chance to play with C. C. And against him quite a bit but with him in two thousand and eight so in that prime period two thousand seven two thousand eight. There wasn't a guy that wanted to ball in a bigger moment. I mean this is a guy that thrived in the spotlight and put his teammates on his back. So this is very similar to the Kennedy discussion. We had earlier. You need that guy that that wants the ball and the biggest moment drives in. That situation never gets tired and see. Was that guy for me. Oh seven Oh eight beast in. Cici gets nodding in game three okay. Great Well Bruce Jenkins Houston Mitchell. You've heard the teams that you're going to be managing and the way it's GonNa work as Bruce and Houston will manage the teams as as the computer. Simulations go on you'll be making substitution. And as I understand it Because the fans voted in the thirty four guys it the one sort of non old school thing is you guys are going to try to get as many of the thirty four guys in at some point in the series one way or the other so HOUSTON The estimated visited. What do you think your team lineup? I think it's a lot of pressure on me now to make the right movements of the team can win. Dhaka's set me up perfectly. My question for doc would be to to some advice. I need here lane gaming. I'LL LEAVE. We Bring Ozzy in for defense over no more and the other thing is fingers or Hoffman. Who would you favor as the closer in and among those those are two? Great closers Houston I love questions and I do think that. No marks never been defense for As a shortstop obviously but you don't get better than the wizard so with the lead. Hopefully a no mark took his fourth at Bat. Ben HERE COMES THE WIZARD. Certainly and for me Kind of trevor. I played with them. This is a guy that prepares like no other is a strike thrower The changeup is is lethal and understand if these guys haven't seen trevor I just can't go outside of Trevor Hoffman. So that's my choice. That's a great question to ask Gabe as well. I mean the list of relievers on that you have for the ninth innings. Dennis Eckersley Dave Righetti John Wetland all great great relievers in their prime If you if you had your druthers who would you like Bruce to close out games with you know I'm GonNa go with ECK So I I feel like ECK learned from from nine hundred and the whole run that they give you hit off him made him a better pitcher and I'm excited to to have him closing out games in the night okay Do you have any questions for your your guys? No just I guess it's sort of a question but even our Senate text back and forth a little bit here of third base. I know it was a tough choice for you if you can kind of walk through your your decision making ongoing without Renato over over Georgia Grad. Who had three ninety year while I think that certainly the whole body of work he had three ninety? I know a lot of people that played for the royals Namely Buddy black still one of his good friends and no-one consistently hit the ball harder George. And there's crazy stories about George. I got a quick story by George Brett where one Dan Kansas City George told his teammates that it was probably one hundred thirty on the turf and he told his teammates in the spirit of what gave Stockman early about gamers that I'm not going to have a drink of water the entire game. I'm going to be the first one on the field. The first one into the dugout every single inning. So after we get this win that beer is gonNA taste so good so sure enough. Every game he probably throughout three that game. The royals win. I went on I back in the DUGOUT and sure enough. He was pretty much to hydrated but got it through. The game led the team to win And had that cold beer. But I think again randy just neutralize the lefty so you really tough to get hits let alone slug get on base and George. You know even in that season where you have to ninety seven sixty that that you're against the left-handed pitcher so and that's not facing a unit so I think that you know the defense and also you look at Nolan in that year. I think he had a thirteen against lefties. So that's a big Delta right there so I I just like Nolan and Georgia being there against seaver Gabe. I had a question I just. I just wanted to know what it was like for you to sit down with a piece of paper a computer. Whatever it is you wrote your lineups with and wrote down the names demongeot. Henderson bonds and Robinson. A big the most fun I had was going back. And digging into Ricky's Ricky's best year. he just he had a knack forgetting on. Bass obviously I I had so much fun. Writing isn't with at the top of the lineup. Because of all the all the things that he can do independent of him getting on base and the freedom and the flexibility that he might give Bruce as he managed our club Knob and I had a lot of fun thinking about that that outfield. I guess the biggest question was who'd have in the outfield right was gonna be bonds or bonds at. The physician. Did a lot of work in a lot of questions about the defensive capabilities of each guy and came away feeling. Pretty good about our out our outfield as a defensive unit and obviously that top four leaders in the lineup five the lions are pretty impressive. Yeah and you know it's it's very bonds from two thousand and one and I have covered him I think I can. I can say that by that point. He wasn't the outfielder that he was. You know say in Nineteen When we first came up and in almost those great pirate teams of Nineteen Ninety. Two and three I got we have some questions from the fans and I have one that is really a good question for both of you and if I could find it and it was But basically the question is how much that you guys use advanced analytics to Pick your teams Maybe you start with Alan I WOULD. I'd say a you know I. It's hard for me to obviously. You can't argue Ted Williams and and Duke Snider but I think that just kind of looking at you know some advanced analytics. I think that you know. For example. Tony. Gwynn was one for eleven. Think against against Randy Johnson. But for me. It's kind of looking forward and still betting the fact that He could hit a lefty. He has it lefties That's why he's in the lineup and Odyssey's Tony Gwynn but there was a little bit. I've I kind of if you look at the right handed lineup against Tom. Seaver you know I'll give Gabe Ahead Yelich in left field over the splendid splinter who's going to D. H. And so there's a little bit of metrics in that understanding who can cover more ground a little bit on the margins but You know Houston asked a question earlier about defensive with Ozzy versus no more those are metrics and last thing is to piggyback on Gabes. Kind of one thing that was fun for me was looking at the middle for game to potentially is Ozzie. Smith and Jackie in the Middle Plan Together. That that's something that. I wish I could go back in time and put those two in the middle of the diamond Gabe. How deep did you dive into the numbers? Nah I'm glad you ask the question. It's a fun one to talk about because my my inclination is to die pretty deeply but for this exercise I took a surface level. Day digging and then just got really invested in the fun of it. You know the the hall of famers that we're talking about the players that Dave and I played against that are on this list. It was just a lot of fun and and I really wanted to to enjoy it. I mean I think the platoon split thing is is fun and certainly like when when David. I exchanged lineups. It was nice to be able to kind of try to match up and and think a little bit more deeply about it but at the same time this exercise is built for enjoyment fund fans fans having fun and thinking along with us and then ultimately like there were so many good decisions that it was hard to make a bad one. Okay Here's a question here that took be like asking you to pick your favorite child First of all the first question Question about analytics was from Richard. Woody Gay This question is from somebody named Jalen and I'll start with you. Gave you have to hit? Who is your favorite player in your starting lineup? And why that's Yeah I mean I'll probably just go with with Caminada here I. This is a guy that I played with played together in Texas in the early two thousands watched him play as I was kind of coming of age and as a young professional baseball player and he was so fierce like. That's the word out. Used to describe them. Sure Daca tell you you look and Ken. Kennedy's is and he. It's intimidating and and this is a guy that flashed the leather had a canon played. Hurt had pop knew the game very well and supported his teammates so just from a strict favourite perspective on goes camp. David I think for me. It's a pretty easy one This man not only play the game with a passion chip on his shoulder. Responsibility was bigger than the game as far as understanding his legacy. So Jackie Robinson. Okay and Dave. There was a question that is sort of somewhat related And I don't have the person who acid at the moment but why did you pick Jackie Robinson to lead off over Tony Win? Well I think that in this situation in this first game I felt that he had a better chance to get on base versus a unit And hopefully we'll get the unit after they're at an awfully. Tony went off to face unit. Only twice and I'll take my chance. Jackie facing that big leftie three times. Okay you you will move up the line up Against seaver okay. That question was from Ed. Here's a good question from both of you from Brian How do you prepare for something like this with different styles and different generations as Clayton? Kershaw said last night. I believe that was on a dodger. Zoom it's impossible to prove who is better So how do you wrap your brain around cross generations and I know an easy answer? Is that war is a statistic that does account for different Eras But aside from kind of looking at war game how how do you Kinda like decide with which you know which generation to pick from in the teams or did you just sort of you know kind of that in just go with the years. I know I mean I think the first thing that we do is we we ask ourselves about our own experience and and what we witnessed personally right so I was thinking about dogs side of things and in Christian Yelich over the course of the last couple of years as good as any baseball player particularly against right handed. Pitching that that I've I've seen or or study And then you go back a little bit further and we talk about a guy like Barry bonds if you you pay attention to what he accomplished in a four five year stretch. You know. It's it's up there with with the greatest of all time watching my trout right now by way of example maybe talking about the greatest player that ever lived and then when when you have to go back and learn about a player like Ida with with Lombardi. It's really much more about just laying out the numbers on analyzing those numbers relative to modern day players. So yeah this is the part about the exercise trying to balance what you see on paper. What witness with your own eyes and I think that for me and I know that last night we had we had a call and With with a bunch of dodger fans and I think that with Clayton. I think that we took this many times with the greats in. You're talking you know. Literally less than an across the of cross all industries less than a hundred people one hundred athletes that are called potentially in a conversation of the greatest of all time and with their respect sports so I think that those people most athletes don't like that conversation because you're talking about them but I think all of us and it's ninety nine point nine to the to the end as fans of the game it bridges stories generations. And that's the only way we can kind of in. Its Banter back before so for me. I love to figure out who the best baseball players. Who the best pitcher is who the best quarterback of all time do rings matter all that stuff. That's a part about being a sports fan so I do think that when I have talked to the greatest of all time whether you're talking about Michael Braun Koby Curse Sandy. They don't like that conversation to be quite which is kind of interesting. Okay well we are running out of time here so I don't we get some last words here from let's start with the Hor- hey do you have any any last words about this whole thing? Now I just appreciate. I'm gave David guys doing this taking the time out. You know it's fun exercise Something that makes everyone sorta thank in baseball into the fold little bit as we wait here to see. We're GONNA see real baseball this summer Just one last question. I thought it was a good one. Here sort off what. They disdained engaged. We're just talking about which one of these guys on your lineup. Would you WANNA see in today's game? Is there anybody in particular you did you relate sick gave you? WanNa go first. Sure I mean Dimaggio for me right I I would love to see him. Run around Centerfield And obviously like with the hitting streak just Kinda love. You can't say that it would happen in this kind of modern day alternate universe. But I'd love to see if it would. It's always interesting because players are now And this is not really up for debate. Bigger faster stronger. More athletic twitch your have more technology more tools at their fingertips. It would be really fascinating to watch a guy like Jordan Macho played in the fifties. Come throw throw his hat in the ring in in today's Environment. See how how he fared. I think for me it's Ted Williams I do WANNA see that seat in right center. Field Fenway Park. See how close. He can get her if he'd really did hit that seat. But you know he's one of the best of all time obviously so I'd love to see him monitoring okay Can you guys hear me? I'm a I'm getting a little bit of a message saying that. My Internet is unstable. Sort of like me rate. I the interesting thing to me in that question is I would. Who would like to be the one who Jackie Robinson comes back to life Ted Williams comes back to life and you guys have to tell them that. Well you know you really can't slide past the bag and if you go after the second Baseman shortstop You're going to be out and it'll be a double play. I I wouldn't want to have to tell those guys that I don't want gay bath. I want to be in the room. When gave Kennedy? He can't do that all right. Hey I'm sorry. Were there any other questions that you saw from the fans that you thought no now? That was it. That was a great question to ask because that's always talked about watching the last dance and we were watching the last dance and everyone's arguing Jordan snappy. Six bowls beat the seventeen warriors Eighty six and all that stuff. So I think it's happens in every sport is as was mentioned earlier. Who's the greatest quarterback of all time this and that and you know it's fascinating to imagine these guys playing in today's ever with the you know the on style from the slugging the velocity BC NOWADAYS? So a question asked by. I don't know who look it up. But it was a great question. Asked who else here thought. The last dance was about Baryshnikov and didn't watch it okay. Well anyway right Houston Mitchell any last words. Just WanNa thank. Dave gave doing this a lot and Dave for set me up so beautifully and You know if I blow this. I'm sure my newsletter readers will be all over me and feel free to send me an email telling me what a horrible manager I am and but thanks a lot for for setting it up and Bruce while I want to thank you for making my job. Easy had my lineup. And his are exactly the same. The one I drew up this morning And at final toast of the two thousand four Red Sox one of the greatest stories ever told in. Both of these guys were part of that team. Yeah that absolutely. I do want to point out that that will two things gave first of all. Gabe has my name on the on his Zoom window that that was only if you're wondering that was because I ended up sending him my link because he was having a little trouble getting in also. WanNa point out if you look at Games lineup. It's very it's balanced. It's you know it's what making us managers like to do. I mean it goes right. Left right left right left. Switch right right so dave. You're going to have a little bit of trouble doing you know. Fortunately we don't have the three battery minimum rule for the pitchers you can. You could swab guys out to your heart's content. I I heard rumor that you like to do that sometimes but anyway. I WanNa thank all of you especially the managers and just want to say to the fans who are on here and we'll be listening to this podcast and whatnot. I can absolutely assure you that Gabe Kaplan and Dave Roberts were really into this and there was some sort of regular season gamesmanship going on in here that I might write about at some point and They're you know it's good to know that both teams are in the hands of people who ah managers who are just if they get into something if they're asked to do something they don't do it half blanked they. They're really into it. So thank you guys and I WANNA thank everybody from joining the zoom and At Bruce One. When are we GONNA win of the game's going to be played May twenty six? We're GONNA play the whole best seven one night. The Games do go pretty quickly. So don't like settling in for four hours or Wanna. Thank my co-host Studio and hope everybody here has good afternoon. Thanks guys thanks cat word. Naked Luck. Houston thank you. Thank you for listening to this special zoom featuring manager Dave Roberts the dodgers and gay Kappler of giants Bruce Jenkins and Houston. 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Mets/Stroman, Trade Deadline talk, Nightengale/Colletti interviews

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Sports and make sure you subscribe to big time baseball on itunes or wherever you happen to get podcast so John I start with a weird question for you. <hes> have you ever seen the off Broadway. Show Avenue Q by Okay so here's what Avenue Q. is avenue. Q is basically are rated sesame street okay. It's it dirty. Muppets is what it comes down to but there's some real zen life lesson stuff in there. It's a musical they've all things done through felt but one of the great songs that they've saying it's called only for now everything everything in life is only for now and I'm reminded of that because sitting here at the trade deadline Noah syndergaard for example is changing his twitter explanations here right off the top and your bio it says Noah Oh syndergaard New York met at least for now and so there's a guy who kind of embraces the spirit of what's going on Marcus stroman comes in that was kind of the first big salvo I mean I know before that there was a jake d.c Ben before that a homer Bailey but the first really big name was Marcus Stroman. How does that affect what the mets are going to do with Syndergaard Wheeler and delight this move one thing I'll say about the mets right now is they're very unpredictable? I think this was a trade that nobody could have foreseen. I mean Stroman is a guy could help any contender right now. The mets are really not a contender. They'd have to go on an incredible run and nobody really sees that coming right now. So I give the met's credit for being a surprise inch team for going forward for even be willing to trade prospects but strom is a guy who's got this year and next year <hes> of control for the team that acquired him so <hes> would seem to be much more viable to through a contending team that the mets but <hes> as we stand now the metro unusual spot having arguably the best rotation baseball. I know that some people would argue for the dodgers some for the Indians maybe some for the nats but <hes> this is an excellent and deep rotation Asian at least for now to steal a phrase from Noah syndergaard who is probably the best tweeter among active players is twitter account is very very entertaining. I have to give him credit whether he's doing it. I'm not sure but I think he is and now he has I definitely I think he is and he is as amazing talent beyond the pitching so we'll see what happens to me. It feels like the mets are going for it for two thousand twenty not necessarily this year they they'd like to be good and competitive as good as they could be for the rest of this year and if you're going to go forward for two thousand twenty maybe you keep syndergaard. I know that we've had a lot of speculation and even strong speculation suggesting he's on the way out he's next you know at this point and we'll see what happens here. I would be shocked if wheeler is the one who's traded because he is a free agent after the year and that does not have picked it impact their two thousand twenty season and <hes> so we will Chelsea. They've got a big price tag on syndergaard understandably so metro and predictable. Maybe they find the trade as for now I think this is going to have to go right to the deadline if they do mega trade but I'm not going to be shocked if they hold syndergaard at this point where we're recording putting this on July twenty nine and this is the anniversary of Wilmer Florez crying because he thought he and Zack Wheeler we're both package up to Milwaukee we all did and that's when we kind of tap the breaks on twitter a little bit I mean everybody just figured this deal was done because it was on twitter and wilmer cried that night because he thought he was traded and then he wasn't so in this landscape now where I mean rumors are just here there and everywhere if you're a Noah syndergaard or if you're just a regular fan Dan I mean how do you gauge. How do you protect yourself from from what's actually happening and what's really not happening? You know I'm not sure every player handle the differently. I don't know whether Trevor Bowers long toss was related to the fact that he's under stress says a player who's on the block at this point I mean I think it's unlikely that he's traded he'd been he is on a contender. Obviously Diva Champ to win the division so I'm not seeing him as a likely trait target but its name is clearly out there. Maybe maybe it's a stretch that got him obviously the players hear all about it and it affects some differently than others no. It seems to be having fun with it at least outwardly. Maybe it's affecting them <hes>. I don't know I mean stroman if it affected him. It certainly didn't hurt his pitching. Pitching has been fantastic and you know I think that's one interesting aspect about this trade and obviously there's going to be some praise and criticism for boat event wagon the new G._m. of the mets who had a rough winter but <hes> I think part of the criticism is that he's now trading for player. WHO's having a career year and I think people looked at that D._A.? Ed's deal now in retrospect and saying that was a career. was that the time to trade for him and I think that's what people are looking at. You trade deals now. He's at a low point so <hes> the timing is a big factor. The emotions are big factor at this time and I think everybody's emotions running high manifest itself in all different ways. We're spending so many plates here. I I WANNA get back to Bauer in a second but on Stroman this is a guy that needs a defense behind him and infield defense behind him. He's a ground ball pitcher. The highest order not to be snarky but you could make the case that Stroman is now the mets best infielder. He's a good field. You're absolutely right. That is an issue. <hes> you're right about that. I think they're fine on the left side amid Rosario whatever those <hes> problems he had earlier in the year seemed to be straightened out frazier's fine third <hes> he may be traded though so we don't know how that goes but I do think that the defense is kind of undermined their pitching <hes> degrom is so good that maybe it doesn't affect inasmuch obviously the lack of offences impacted his won loss record but in terms of if <hes> the overall stats I think it's probably tough to look at mets pitchers and not put that into consideration that the infield the outfield is a good either <hes> I mean I think at photos of find rightfielder but he's not a center fielder. You've got two guys on the corner is kind of drying out a defense. You know their fans will look at the bullpen is really undermine steam but the defense has for the badly stroman overlook that he looks very excited to be. I've heard from his friends that he's excited. Although there was little Indian he knew that he kinda thought maybe the Yankees Yeah probably but then he realized you know he's going home. He's from Long Island from patch on a big star in a long island which is a rarity see. We don't have a lot of great baseball players from Long Island. In fact his great rival was Stephen Mats and now they're teaming up together <hes> for the first time as a professional so that should be interesting as well but it just a shocking first big trade and I think it was <hes> we give gotta give Brody Credit for making news and making ways we'll see how it turns out though so John Back to Bauer and it's funny how the Internet basically arrived at the same jokes at the same time once a heave that ball to center first of all it was what. What was the Exit Pilo second of all it was did Angel Fernandez? Call it a strike but once we once more I know right. I is this any different than a batter snapping a bat over his thigh. Really I mean I know people for so bothered that and and you know he called Childish Petulant and it's not a good look I get that but even though that was outlandish Michael Conforto who's like the nicest guy in the world Peter Alonzo really really cool understated guy. Both these guys snap bats over their thighs. So is that really that much different than should Bauer be painted as some hesitant Dylan Yeah No. I don't think so I get credit for sincerely apologizing. It did seem to be sincere and of course he had to do. We saw Terry Francona reaction. <hes> even the people who are great lip-readers like my greatest libary myself could read exactly what Tito was saying to Bauer and Bauer took his medicine. I you're right. I don't think it's that different <hes> Alonzo snap the bat it over his knee mean. There's much slight risk of injury of never seen anybody really hurt themselves doing that. I have seen guys punch walls in the in the clubhouse and hurt themselves <hes> doing it that way. I believe Kevin Brown with somebody who did that with the Yankees but other guys have done it as well not to pick on him <hes> yeah. I think there's a very minor risk of injury. When you're heaving the ball three hundred feet or whatever four hundred feet incredible I mean it was entertaining for all of us but I think the risk of injury stories very limited I was there with Dave Righetti heaves it over the wall and right field at Exhibition Stadium <hes> in Toronto and Lou Pinella the Yankee manager at the time took that well I mean he lou Pinella was a player who had a bit of a temper he snapped and he took it differently than Francona? Did we live in a different age and <hes> I think if you're thrown into the stands you know you're risking a a person maybe not expecting it and maybe getting hit that would be bad but he threw would into the batter's eye and <hes> I think his aim is good so it didn't bother me. I don't think it bothers anybody in terms of trade. I think the Yankees are still interested in the teams that were interested will be interested so <hes> to me was just an interesting little side light and I don't believe that it hurts his value. The fact of the matter is it's value is sky high <hes> we've stroman off the market the guys who are remaining the sky value and if the Indians actually trade him they could get a ton. I still still skeptical as to whether a team that's got not only the winner to <hes> wildcard. They could still win that division. I still am skeptical that you're gonNA trae. The Guy who leads the league in innings pitched in pitches per appearance. I am not seeing I'll be shocked doc. They're messing with your twins prediction here. You were gloating all year that many you're right. You're right. I'm still gloating <hes> Josh I understand that and I know the lead is down and it's very narrow now used to be eleven and a half but <hes> look at that schedule. All the twins are playing a lot of the teams in their division. <hes> the Indians have a much tougher schedule so I still feel pretty good about that. I will continue to gloat until it the Indians Clinton which I'm not putting advance them with Ramirez doing well with their pitching staff the F._B._i.. Getting intact <hes> they certainly have a clear shot at it no question about it. Hey you brought up the name Edwin Diaz a few minutes ago. The Red Sox makes so much sense right for him. Alice core has got familiarity with them loves them. <hes> the Red Sox. Yes I mean even though they've moved the ball to that closer's role. He's very unproven. So what do you think that something that the red SOx might take on now that they had that three out of four weekend against the Yankees. People are pretty excited in Boston again. About what the SOX could do. I mean it would be as would fit for a number of teams obviously very talented pitcher to me. This would be selling low for the Matt so I to me. This is not something I recommend. I would wait to leak. Put some more good appearances assist together. It's got a long time to go before. He's a free agent but I you know I'm taking this as they're investigating <hes>. It's only a seller's market as we've talked about. <hes> the Red Sox are not the only team desperate for ten health is the nets as the dodgers. I I think the Yankees would like Penn help. <hes> I think the Astros I mean basically any contending team could use you throw the cubs in the brewers in that as well so <hes> I think they're trying to see what they can get but I'm still going to be surprised on that. One as well the mets some surprises before you don't know the obviously loved the as when they made that big trade with Seattle <hes> to have soured to the point of a trade now I think would be a little bit surprising now. The Yankees got asked about the Yankees Yankees who pretty recently had a stretch where they gave up five or more runs just once in fourteen games and that was five runs right on the button now. It's five or more runs in nine straight games. They had a nineteen in there. They had a twelve. It's just been a ridiculous stretch threat. So is it almost like even though they prefer not to. The alarm bells are going off so loud and now the C._F._C.'s on the eye elegant. Don't they have to bring in a pitcher here at this point I think they do. I wasn't convinced earlier. I mean I mean when they were thirty games over with all the injuries. I thought they were doing a fantastic job. You see it together and they were but <hes> at this point if you match up with Houston in the in the playoffs and you see Orlando and you see call the Yankees don't really have an obvious number one or an obvious number number two at this point <hes> over twenty six innings in those seven games. They've started skiing gave up fifty two runs twice as many runs as innings. I mean that is not a good sign. <hes> they're tough spot. They do have some trade <hes> pieces they could trade Davey Garcia their top pitching prospect they could trade Garrett <hes> I mean frazier. Excuse me <hes> Clint Frazier. <hes> is another guy they could trade they could even train into our third. Baseman do a good job last year and was second in the rookie of the year balloting <hes> the problem right now. Is Everybody sends them. The Yankees are desperate. Everybody's asking for Gleyber Torres Yankees do not want to give up Labor Torres and I'll the surprised if they do again. We've had some surprise already so you never know but I don't think they're that desperate to this point yet. We'll see when the deadline brings but I don't believe they're going to give up laboratory. Let's not forget though the Gleyber Torres was given up for a rental of aroldis Chapman right so it's not the craziest thing for team to ask for Gleyber Torres as I'm sure the mets have and I know the Tigers have for Boyd and several teams have but I still at this point I think they'd like to build that trade around frazier around <hes> the tensely into our and maybe I think they like to hold onto Garcia. He's their top young pitching prospect but I think at this point they're in a situation. We're here to consider almost anything a lot of hamlet level teeth gnashing right now in baseball operations opposites everywhere the agony is about to sell or not to sell to buy or not to buy the pedal has got to be down for a Minnesota at Tampa Bay a Washington. Don't you think I mean they're close enough right now. I know there are some teams like the angels who were a bit of a tease and frustration and Arizona. I would put in that category too but I'm looking at teams that you know some people are saying are on the fence they buy or should they sell. I'm staring at Minnesota Tampa Bay and Washington John and thinking that they have got to go for it. Don't they well Minnesota. Obviously will they required Romo but they're looking at Penn and rotation help and I I think they have the wherewithal to do it. <hes> you know I think that's an advantage over Cleveland. Some people might look at him. As a couple nights midwestern towns but Minnesota really has been a revenue situation <hes> then Cleveland and I think Minnesota will go for it. I think you're absolutely right Tampa Bay they have very limited revenue and they've got players getting injured left and right. They're in a tough spot. They've done a great job. I give them credit. I'm not sure if they go crazy at this point right now. It's a question whether you're GonNa win that wildcard. You Bet Oakland great second team. You've got Boston with all that talent. The defending world champion involved in it and several other teams so I'm not sure they are in Washington. I'm with you. I think they need to go for it. I think they need to go over the luxury tax. They were over. Over last year they don't WanNa go over one of the reasons. They didn't get Kimbrel but <hes> to me. That pen needs help. I mean you've got an I._R._A.. Over six if you're and you're a contender ray over six in the Pan I mean <hes> you've got to do something a and not worry about with your over the two hundred six million or two hundred ten million at this point <hes>. It's not going to be a big cost for them to they're going to be if they're over. They're going to be over by little. They've got to do it and they're gonNA be there are relievers available. It is a sellers market. Could you might have to overpay but Washington with you with Minnesota. I think they both have to go with Tampa Jer. That's John Hayman. We've got a lot more insight from insiders. Straight ahead. Bob Nightingale Ned colletti standing by this is big time in baseball. One of the radio DOT COM sports insiders one of the Premier Major League baseball reporters around. We're very lucky we already have John Hayman now. Here comes Bob Nightingale. You can follow Bob on twitter at B. Nightingale. That's how you do that cell phone phone batteries charged Babu where we're recording on a Monday and obviously Wednesday is kind of d day here so don't get caught short with a bad battery to what what's the very latest and I know you know again. We're we're doing this on a Monday Monday and by the time people are listening to this. Things might all change but when I say what's the latest I mean who were the names that you're thinking okay. This guy's got to go somewhere. Well hopefully destroying deal will be very up because this sleepy trade their mind doors. They're very dull so I mean I think you gotta you know a handful of teams that have to do something. I'm the Yankees with the pitching. They gotta go. Get her a starter. Nana starter a couple pieces for the bullpen if they want to go in by by committee <hes> the nationals you know they've been the biggest <hes> underachievers in the postseason. Now you know of this era but yet they go get one piece not to book in somebody that the dodgers have a challenge in the National League <hes> on the dodgers reliever. I mean <hes> you know they're kind of Atlanta braves our generation in <hes> you know with this seven straight division title back to back World Series but they got to have somebody to help out killing Janson and <hes> you know nationally central all bunched up. I think it was ever most aggressive here. You know win that division. If nobody does anything I I think counts pull away from the pack like you're the brewers and cardinals you. You better do something hey bob you. You mentioned the cubs and obviously Theo Epstein their G._M.. <hes> has been very aggressive over the years. I think you had written something recently about their potential willingness to traits a major league pieces <hes> who are you referring to what to what lengths you think they'll go and we'll go over the luxury threshold. That's been an issue for them. In the past I think of the luxury tax I don't want to but you know then we say regressive this summer when spent forty two million dollars colors and Greg Kimbro under close out Games <hes> I think at one point this year Schwarzer was available. I'm not sure now he's pretty hot and the big day over the weekend the seven Rhodesians brewers but certainly you got guys like Carl Edwards available and Russell very much available. <hes> you know different pieces <hes> so I think we'll know him feel that he's going to be as aggressive as anybody. You know what I mean a couple two years ago. He knew he had a great infielder laboratories. I'm assuming the All star team this year but he went got all this Chapman Got Chapman. They don't win the world series so I don't think he's praying all trade some big pieces <hes> just on the cups standpoint that now farm systems not deep enough to really entice you know the big names <hes> because assistance to week. You know I'm about to ask you about the mets and I have to carefully 'cause I was going to say what are the mets doing and I know that could be kind of their their catchphrase or their their marketing slogan just in general but what are the mets doing because here comes Marcus stroman and I guess that's a piece for Twenty Twenty does that portend <hes> syndergaard and or wheeler going somewhere else is is basically the general manager here saying okay now. I'm in the driver's seat. I'm dealing from a position of strength. What is their end game? I love it moved. Josh John I mean the fact that they gave up you know prospects. Fourth and sixth the organization neither guy was among the top one twenty five in baseball and they've added premium starting pitcher <hes> pitcher that dominating the A._l.. East maybe especially like that the American League as you know what you're GonNa do the National League. He's only going to get better so now. You got you know pieces of training. I mean if somebody wants wheeler I I would assume you get dealt. <hes> since the free agent <hes> Chain Wheeler Syndergaard can hold <music> off there right now with the San Diego padres thinking interpersonal guard said hold on now this this <hes> the asking price is way too much but went on afterward you know the the mets also. Can you hold onto them for the winner or even next next year as well as a free agent class you know outside. Garrett Cole and billy is a huge dropoff. You'll cool collision. Get over two hundred million and that sort of an interest starter. It's it's over one hundred million so I think they saw the opportunity in Palestine on it. I I love to move in but I've thought going in at the giants. We're going to be the most interesting team now. I'm not so sure I think everybody's convinced that <hes> they're not gonNA Trade Mad Bob. You think there's any chance that they become a seller here and and you've been kind of advocating for them to go forward. I think into <hes> let Bruce Bochy have a shot at it. Is You know he's won. Three World Series <hes> probably without the best team any of those years <hes>. Where do you think that stands now and what your position on that they gotTA stand Pat John? The yeah I mean Pe- weeks ago I thought a man of the epicenter of the trade activity with the Bumgarner as a Mace Will Smith as a closer and you have your Sam Dyson Tony Watson Martin Lanson on and on but now with the way their plan and such a hot streak could be in writing about the rock hard race. I think they open themselves to go for it. You know like you said John I mean they're never the best team but they certainly award winning those three world series and five years just go he cygnus clubhouse chemistry and everything else <hes> you know I was in San Francisco when they play the cubs a week ago and all of a sudden there was there was a buzz there that had seen a couple of years. <hes> fans were flocking to the gates over thirty seven thousand ninth in TV ratings were down thirty five percent the first act that really learned giant officials almost sending people once in games again so money money's money's started come back through. I don't see how you trade those guys without the fan base going ballistic in the clubhouse going nuts finishing up with radio DOT COM insider Bob Nightingale so maybe the epicenter now in that division vision is the diamondbacks. I know there's still in the race but I saw you tweet about Robbie. Ray Andrew Chafing might be the best lefty reliever available if will smith isn't going anywhere and Fleet Vasquez isn't going anywhere what about Arizona He Robbie Ray. They're gone a ton of Inter sunray. You know he's got one more year. After this people like us the great strikeout pitcher you know on when his last start on Sunday against Miami for the first time in two years didn't walk anybody you know six innings news <hes> eleven strikeouts sixty s some teams like more in the bullpen as a starter is kinda scared a little bit and he's only going five or six innings and the National League you know what would happen if especially L. East or something like that but still they know they have a valuable trade ship and you're going to jump on they did rebuild. I asked about grandkids I only available but not getting any bites on him when they're not really pushing him on on anybody just for the contract so big I think eh you know what for someone actually do this. It'd probably have to be a winner move so people can adjust their <hes> you know I just their budgets and everything else but yeah they have released trade. They got a couple of fillers Dr Dyson. <hes> <hes> is drawn interested as well as Adam Jones. You've been around forever which means longer than me even so I give you credit for that. <hes> longevity counts and <hes> I think you and I both agree that <hes> G._M.'s would become more cautious is whether it's good or bad. I'm not sure what's your what's your feeling about that and over the decades that you've been doing this and looking back on it now which G._M.'s you think were the most aggressive and which were the best and making traits and he just think G._M.'s. I've become so Timon how they kind of hide behind the prospect wall they can sell to their fan base. We all these prospects. You remember John Back. In the day. I WANNA say late eighties early nineties like Milwaukee brewers rose baseball marriages organization. They should be here. They never won anything and they have these prospects and <hes> you know I was a great piece. In Baseball America's saw yesterday where they examined all the prospects that were traded July thirty first trade deadline only twenty eighty percent of them ever spent two years in the big woods with even a positive war score so along these prospects just never turn out <hes> and you know I. It seems like teams behind that they keep getting contract extension engine everything else I love the fact that you know Theo treaded Chapman Laboratories Chapman and went for it you know <hes> wagon and you know people criticize on trade okay. Maybe it didn't work out but at least this going forward so many <hes> so many gyms are afraid and they don't do it. You know those days are gone when we see <hes> you know the Jack McCain's in the world trade the hers on and just go for the Gusto you you can't be afraid to make a under stake in a hammer prospect. Hung luck favors the bold. I've heard that before Bob Keep tweeting. Keep the cell phone batteries charged. We'll be following you. Thanks as always my friend. We'll talk soon. Ned colletti former dodgers G._M.. Turned Emmy Award winning analyst for Sports Net L. A. and as much as I want to talk to Ned and lead them with will Smith I gotta start with will rogers. WHO's the one who said rumor travels faster but it don't stay put as long as the truth? How do we get from from one to the other year net? How do we kind of peel through all the rumor and get to the truth? At this time of year or you can do is <hes> is wait for the end. I'd love somebody to keep track of how many rumors how many proposed deals are supposed to make it gonNa make never make it <hes> I think it's great for the sport not too good for the players of the front office but I think the <hes> the amount of conversation that goes on in the last week and for the next few days on baseball embalming who's going to be where by the time it gets a dinnertime on thirty I is <hes> is a cool thing but a little tough on a fun office a little tough on the players. He Ned John Hayman here in congrats on that Emmy. I didn't hear about it but you were pretty darn good general manager too and not that long ago <music>. I'm wondering <hes> it seems like guys are more reluctant to make trades especially prospects than they were. Maybe five ten years ago. How do you look at that? I think you're right. I think there's probably a handful of reasons for that. I think <hes> you know when you've had <hes> testing in sports for P._D.'s. Obviously you're older players. <hes> become a little bit more <hes> less valuable and at times and so you're younger players do gain value now you because of that. I think there's so much social media and there's so many websites where you can get a prospect rankings think back to when we all started doing what we do for a living you can hardly ever find out about a prospect you would talk to a G._M.. Or farm director and that would be the only really source of how so and so doing now it's blanketed with information so that always leads to criticism that always leads the conjecture and I think some people don't want to have to deal with conjecture conjecture or or criticism sometimes especially when it's from somebody that may not even be associated with the with their club but I think that the the emphasis on young players as heightened and I also think the emphasis on talking about young players is heightened but yet you know some guys as we all know. There's some it's not just cut and dry. It's not black and white and my mind. This guy's really going to be a great player so if it goes so what market is going to be playing. I think that Brian Cashman has to look at it a player differently think Theo Epstein does I think Dave Dombrowski does I know Andrew. Friedman does depending on market sizing what the what the expectation is so a lot of different factors into it but I agree. I think that the prospects have become some more valuable as the price of veteran free agents as gone higher and higher and higher. You've got to be able to balance it. Often some organizations you know talking about who goes where and WHO's a good fit for for what kind of town on what kind of organization I guess that gets US right into Trevor Bauer talk because there are some just to back up a little bit. I mean Bauer in of all people Mike Francesa had this weird back and forth on twitter and there's this conjecture about well. Could personality like Bauer fit in New York or New York. Just fry them. So how much does the G._M.. Look to his scouts and look to is I guess kind of really deep tentacles to other places to find out stuff like that stuff that I guess as you know the people who are doing the rankings prospects and you know. How's your fastball? We're talking about stuff well beyond that. I think it's imperative. I think you you really have to know <hes> how somebody's GonNa fit as best you can and it's kind of like asking getting for reference when somebody's applying for a job I always found that it was better to have known the player of gathered information when nobody was looking so to speak <hes> I like when I signed Don Mattingly here I had heard from from Billy Connors honors years ago to former Yankee pitching coach and Dave Righetti the former giants pitching coach to guys who I respect. I knew so much about don mattingly before I ever had to ask anybody about Don Mattingly and I think you have to do the same thing with players. I think you gain information nation daily. If you're paying attention and you know how somebody's GonNa go during different periods of time and different <hes> different emphasis on <hes> big games big crowds tough cities tough stadiums think you gain that information and little by little by little. I don't think you learn a tremendous amount in the last thirty six forty eight hours you can but I think it's a steadier course to do all the way through but I also think it is imperative that you know you know who you're getting and and you know how they're gonNA react as best you can predict in a tight situation. Not Everybody's made to pitch in Yankee. Stadium for the Yankees are against the Yankees so you've got to kind of take that I think in the consideration as you as you put together who you're going to add to this group because when you get down to it now and these teams that are trying to make a deal to improve their club they got sights set on October. We all know October. Baseball is not September baseball or April baseball. It's different breed of cat. Hey Ned you've been in three front offices and I wanted to ask you specifically about one of them right now. I think the giants situation is one of the more interesting ones we all thought they were going to be sellers at this point at least from for for us. It looks like it'd be difficult for them to go into that clubhouse and say Madison Bumgarner has been traded or even will Smith. How do you look at that situation right now? In and from the way I look at it I think it would be impossible but if they were to be a seller they can get a whole for these guys because this looks like a big sellers market. How does it look to you? Maybe the most interesting case that we've had in many years especially because you only have one trading deadline. You've got a market that we've we've kind of forgotten a little bit about it because because they've been so successful for twenty years or so but San Francisco was not always a great baseball market and they really changed the culture philosophy in that city and now whenever you have an opportunity to make your team better there and get to the postseason you got to take a few different things into consideration if you get in. Can you ride it for a while. You have an ACE pitcher. Do you have a salad bullpen which you're gonNA need. You have enough offense. You know I've been surprised candidly. That they haven't been better the last couple years so that they're better today doesn't necessarily surprise me and if you if you know your guys and you know you got Madison there who is who is as good a postseason guy as as ever and he it took a little bit of a step back but sort of Orlando a couple years ago right now. Nobody wants to see vert lander in a from across the Dugout so I do think that it's a very interesting case. I would be surprised at this point if they did. They did trade off some of the players they could get a bit of a hall but again you're talking about prospects and jump between AAA or AA in the big leagues in a big market. It's it's a Basque gap and I don't think you can you can guaranteed to get this prospect. He's going to be is going to be Madison in three years. You know he may be but he also may be up and down guy. We got a chance to win. You GotTa do it so I think what Farhan needs to do there but you know what he's doing. I know him very very smart smart guy but good baseball man. I think he's got to figure out okay if we get it. Can we get in okay. We think we can't if we get in. Can't we make a little bit of a run with it with our starting. Pitching is deep enough to give us a little bit of momentum. You know you got the one guy at the top you know you gotTa Shut Down Guy at the end and will Smith and some other real good bullpen pieces. You take that chance because what you do if you don't do it you'll have sixty games where the players are looking around and said <hes> you know we're all about done now. This put our mind and getting out of here at the end of the season. You never want that. You know sometimes that happens. Sometimes it doesn't but you do leave the door open for that type of reaction from the club finishing up with Ned Colletti and <hes> you know it's funny when you broke in that I have to imagine assistance and secretaries were still trafficking in those pink while you were out slips of paper writing down phone messages at this time of year because not every G._M.. Even had a cell phone yet let alone two or three on twitter was a nonsense word not away life so I get that things change but isn't it still very simply about finding a way to make your team better whether short term or long term and having to explain that to a boss. I think that's something that we don't always talk about I gene. We're putting this is all monopoly money to us but GM's do have a boss right. I mean they got to explain this stuff and every every owner has got a vested interest in it. There's very few I would think is very few clubs at the general manager or the President of baseball operations. <hes> doesn't keep the owner President of the club fully vested on every twist and turn is is <hes> there is a lot of money involved from time to time and a lot of decision making and you have to take a lot of things into consideration a little bit including okay if you do not add and your team does end up losing the Latin afforded last sixty or something like that or I guess maybe his fifty left now but you know some bad percentage what that does going forward does that does that hurt your sales next year. Does it promote your sales because you did go forward and so you went thirty five and fifteen down the stretch and ended up getting even for a minute a lot of different factors that go into it and every situation is somewhat different. You also some GM's that are probably at the end of their contract as some franchises that have not been to the postseason for a long time even getting the wildcard game for them may be a big deal so there's a lot of different dynamics and then you get the powerhouse seem seems like the dodgers Yankees Houston and a few few others that are really their prime for them to win the last game of the last month of the season. That's what they're trying to do so they're shopping list is probably different than somebody else's shopping. Let's because they gotta make sure the player. They're getting fits the group that's the room and thinking can fit into the the highest leverage situations and could do it and you know July thirty first is a lot different than August thirty first but a lot of good. A lot of cool stuff was going to come down here in the next few days and I think we'll learn a lot obviously and we'll learn a lot about were franchises are at you got a ton of teams in the Wildcard Chase. You know a lot of them trying to be five hundred which to me is not necessarily a good indication is a good indication of whether you've got a good team or an average too but I think we'll run a lot going down the road here. It'd be very interesting. Every situation is different in every G._M.. Is Different now. You were G._M.. For nine years with the dodgers and I think probably with the giants probably Assistant G._M.. For a decade before that I know you did a handle. A lot of those calls dealing with the different G._M.'s as the assistant G._M.. As you look back on now do you have any recollections of who you felt. were the most aggressive G._M.'s <hes> who was the best G._M.. And making trades as you look back on now where they're G._M.'s not the name that but whether GM's that you just gave up on you just didn't want to do a deal because with them because they were always looking for a deal from their perspective a handful that was it was always about them winning a deal and learn early on and if you're really gonNA make a deal don't you're gonNA YOU'RE GONNA pay a price but you're going to get something back you need and there are some that never really wanted to see it that way for whatever reason and felt that they didn't win the deal. They wouldn't do deal so those guys Kinda Cross off your list pretty early the guys at it <hes> some of the guys I grew up in the game with were the people who we could we talk all the time whether it was Doug Melvin or Walt Jocketty or John Sheer Holtz or John Hart <hes> on and on Pat Gillick <hes> in cash of course cashman doing this for very very very long time before cash Bob Watson and I think that you know you're you report with them and your ability to have a conversation that really get to the point. Jimi Hendrix was one of the best you can just get right to the point and there wasn't a whole lot of dancing around or charade charade or trying to pull the wool over his eyes or vice versa you both new you both had respect for each other and and you could you could get a deal done or you or you didn't get a deal done but you didn't spend a whole lot of time in a waiting on it or figured out if you could you couldn't as Ah Theo Epstein got better and better in Boston. He became one of those guys some of the biggest deals I made feelings on the other end of the line including the Manny Ramirez deal so <hes> it's a time when you you scout we think about Scott and we think about scouting players while Oh you had to scout G._M.'s and you had a scout ownership and he had a scout scouts to figure out who is really good at what and what owners were really into it or what owners just wanted to make a splash and then walk away on an evening of the thirty first July allied with nothing but GM's were like that or who was in a precarious spotter who had any anxiety in their voice so you learned you learned a lot Ned colletti always a pleasure my friend. Thanks so much for joining us some big time baseball appreciate it. You guys have a great week. You guys will be an exciting week coming up where we are captivating out the Yin Yang here for damn sure John. Hayman is our fourth segment here because he's got the nose out the ears out the is as open again. We're we're recording this on the twenty ninth so by the time you hear this. If you're listening on the thirty first or August I some of this I understand might be a little bit dated but as of this particular moment John Hayman who whereas the Carlos Beltran move for the royals to the Astros or cesspits and fifteen tigers to the mets who's who's the difference maker right now. It's a great question you play a lot of pressure on me like that. That's fine. I like did <hes> you know. I think that's an issue right now. In terms of who is the game changer. I think M._l._B. looked at this with one deadline. We're going to have this really great deadline and all these guys are going to be traded. Maybe it's going to be a little bit like the N._B._A.. But it's it's a different sport. There are game changing necessarily players Ovo Bumgarner did help the team win three championships so if he if he was going to be dealt that's a game changer. That's a big one at this point. I'll be shocked if Madison bumgarner is traded the giants have a magic thing going there now and they've got coaching his last year so I'm not seeing that one and syndergaard. I've been skeptical on that. I think a lot of people think that he is going to be traded and I'm a little skeptical as to whether they would do that because is to me the memphis they do not like to rebuild. They WANNA be in a position to win. They've got stroman for this year and next year now if you have syndergaard to they still have one of the best <hes> rotations in baseball I know they've edited for a couple years and haven't been able to put it together but <hes>. <hes> I could foresee them keeping him now and building around getting a center fielder something that needs to do with the off season so and and then bowers and other guy who's out there I mean these are the guys the Yankees WanNa get. Those are the three guys bad bub mm-hmm syndergaard and Bauer and to me it's tough for Cleveland to thread that needle. They are thinking about it. <hes> seriously they've talked about Bauer with everybody and they are a creative group. They are group. That's willing to do some different and I expect aspect Bauer to be traded but maybe it's in the winter at this point. I don't think it's heave into the into the bushes at Kansas. City is GonNa Affect things but we shall see so it's possible. I don't WanNA pretty painting negative but it's possible that we go without that game changer being traded. We'll see we hope not base for M._l._B.. Say WE WANNA see a big name out there but those are the three biggest names and I'm not sure any of them are dreaded right now you you mentioned Cleveland. Let me keep it in the mid West. John we rule out the cardinals being active here because all of a sudden Paul Goldschmidt has taken forever but he caught fiery homer fixed rate games recently. There's talk about them adding controllable starting pitcher. Maybe maybe a lefty reliever and got a couple of guys off limits. I know the very top of their prospects pile. They're telling people there's no way on Dylan Carson or Nolan Gorman or somebody like that. But what do you think the cardinals might do because at N._F._l.. A federal it's pretty jam-packed. Yeah I mean it's very interesting what goes on in the central. We've been advocating the getting pitching for a long time and they piece it together. Last year. They came within a game of Regina World series the way they when Theo we know he's going to be aggressive. Saint Louis hasn't necessarily always been aggressive at the deadline but they have been I mean they seem like they've come out of. Nowhere and you know it'd be interesting to see what they're gonNA do but I'm not seeing I'm giving up a Nolan Gorman or somebody like that the way they're there is they draft well they develop well and they have players. Come up through that system and do a great job so I would not I would not recommend that for the St Louis Cardinals. I think they go stick with their strength. Their strength is drafting and developing and trading. What about the San Diego padres? They've got a really neat trade chip in Lewis Orients. I think but I mean you know he's. He's still stay with San Diego a lot of talent of course they've already got a lot of great young talent guys like teeth who are turning ahead so one of the padres do they've been linked to send a guard obviously but are they in the import business the export business or both will. They're looking for a big time starting pitcher so if if syndergaards traded I I think the padres might have a decent chance there one of hearing they were still a part of course. We're talking on Monday as you've mentioned <hes> thank you for doing that because things change. <hes> you know their team that loves syndergaard. They want a leader for that <hes> rotation <hes> they've got pieces to potentially trade. They can't match up. They've gotta bullpen piece. That's excellent and Yates. They've got outfielders. They could trade. I think they're more willing to trade renfro than than race but both guys are similar having Nice years and showing that they may be stars or on the cusp of it so <hes> they've got pieces and they also have obviously a terrific system <hes> to this point abstinent training teased or not trading paddock but they've got a lot of guys beyond even Mackenzie Enzi Gore in that <hes> minor league system that they could trade. I think San Diego and land are the best physicians to make drinks. I'm not breaking new ground there but they're both in excellent position Houston's the other team that interests me. They are an excellent position. They have a lot a lot of good prospects to trade and you know I know they've been reluctant to do so in the past but you know what they really make themselves the big favourite of the American League despite doing that obviously the Yankees have their pitching struggles eagles starting pitching struggles. If Houston adds a syndergaard or somebody like that you you throw that in there with call and Ver- lander you've got three aces on that team and the Yankees really have just a bunch of mid rotation starters now and they could really put a lock down things so <hes> you know we'll see Houston as I said they've been reluctant in the past to make deals but they're in a position with all their prospects with Tucker Wisconsin and all the different guys to to make a big deal that can really make them the favorite speaking of favorites and I know things can change a lot between now and even Wednesday night here but American League wildcard you got Cleveland or Minnesota. I think it can be Cleveland. Not Minnesota wins that division which were bumped Minnesota Wild Card and and I guess that would be your favorite but then you got the as the rays and the Red Sox if you had to pick one of those three John who you've taken a big one I might have to go with the as they're fantastic. In the second half. I give them credit billy being BELVA. They do a fantastic job. I gotta go with the as the red sox. Were pretty good against the Yankees to I- Tampa is like the East Coast version of the as they do a great job with limited it finances in sixteen million payroll and to lose glass now to lose Snell to lose the relievers they've lost it have absences at different times of Cure Meyer and the different position players I give them all the grand the world but I'll be surprised if they're able to beat out the red sox and the second half as so. I'M GONNA go with the as but the red sox are certainly a threat there it sure seems like and I do like the Red Sox a lot and obviously closer to them now than I've ever been since. I'm doing some broadcast work for them but ever since Alex core put whatever's in that to spot my God I mean that dynamic now that one two three at the top of the order with bet starting to look like the twenty nineteen or excuse me the twenty eighteen bats in two thousand nineteen Denver's is one of the great young players here's in the game that nobody talks about and a very steady zander bogart so I ended up being steele signed that six year contract extension and if he continues on this arc no full and John I mean that number two goes up in the ring of retired numbers then maybe fifteen twenty years absolutely I mean they're offenses fantastic. Maybe the best at baseball. I still think they need to fix the pen. I don't know how you feel about that Josh but <hes> <hes> you know the first two months I think the way I look at is they kind of got away away with. It and I just don't see that last the whole year they need to go out there and get somebody for that. Ben Anything else at this trade deadline John that you're looking at this kind of off the grid kind of leave it there because we hear all the the common names right. I mean we talked about mad. Bomb talked about syndergaard. We've talked about bowers or anybody. We're missing here. I don't know about off the grid but a team that gets overlooked a lot based on my twitter. Mentions is the diamondbacks they could make a great sale. I think and I think that there are people a realistic enough to know even though they're playing about as well as the giants and they have a better run differential. I think that there aren't that desperate to get that wild card which is a tough spot. You play a wildcard game. Who knows what will happen there? <hes> if you play the Nancy Humana facing Sherzer and then if you win that game you you'll end up playing the dodgers and that's a tough spot and I'm not so sure that they're going to be desperate to hang in there appears. They're going to do some selling and they got a lot of pieces there to potentially is actually sell Robbie raised the most mentioned but be interesting to see if anybody plays for exact rank still an excellent pitcher and then beyond that you've got Jones. I don't think they Escobar's having a nice year but <hes> I think they'll listen anybody. Ahmed is a potential the guy who could be dealt and they have relievers Bradley and chief in several others so I mean to me the Deepak several ten guys that could have trade value and I give them credit is <hes> they sign a lot of good deals. <hes> you know obviously obviously that cranky deal. I think it was more of a major market deal and I think a little desperation at the time he he's performing so you could trade him. I if you pay down some of that contract. I think they're willing to do that so you know I we don't talk a lot about we don't hear much about the de Beck's they could be an interesting good team over the next couple of days I next podcast. We're GONNA go back and see how we did talking to tape. I know I know but it's GonNa be fascinating and John is always thank you very much thanks to.

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I-5 Series Rosters Revealed: Wholl Win?

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I-5 Series Rosters Revealed: Wholl Win?

"I'm John J of the San Francisco Chronicle. And thanks for joining us on this. Very special podcast. We're revealing the results of the voting for the all-time Northern California and Southern California baseball teams through the San Francisco Chronicle in Los Angeles Times. You picked the rosters more than one hundred thousand votes. All Dave Robertson gave Kappler are deciding the lineups for the opener in the best of seven series. The I five series and John Miller will provide highlights on a future podcasts. I everybody in welcome to the PODCAST. I'm John Shea. And I'm with Bruce Lee of the San Francisco Chronicle and Houston Mitchell and Steve Henson of the Los Angeles tons. And we've got some big news share history in the making the big project we've been working on and you listeners and readers and fans have been working on setting the I five rosters for our effort on May twenty sixth Some great details here. We have all the rosters and thirty. Four per northern California and thirty four for southern California and thousands and thousands and thousands of people voted for this On SF CHRONICLE DOT COM AND LAWS LA TIMES DOT COM. So anyway let's Let's move forward. We're having this big apple game. You know the the the card game the dice game the board game and Apapa the company a PPA is actually going to weigh in on May twenty sixth when the best of seven series is underway North Northern California Southern California? They're taking over and they're going to run the show From there but the cool news is that Gabe Kappler of the giants and Dave Roberts of the dodger. They're actually in a pick. The lineups based on the rosters decided by the people. So anyway how you guys doing really well John. Good Great John. Well how how Bruce you I start with you. How the how the northern California roster shape shaped up You know through chronicle voting and assume you la times voting as well. But I understand forty five thousand nine hundred twenty five votes were cast individually you know all the positions and one hundred thousand hundred thousand hall In this crazy statewide election. It's just it's just amazing. How many how? The public has responded to this year. More than one hundred thousand votes total for between the two regions. And I gotTa tell you what they came up with. Northern California is so authentic so knowledgeable. You know we've got guys on here that go back way back early. Twentieth centuries of several of them made the roster. Didn't some of the current guys like Aaron. Judge Gorsuch are on their Nolan or not but I was just so impressed by the way it came out. I think is in the southland. I think there's a little bit more controversy which you can get into as far as flares off. If you like me to run down the northern California roster. I will do that. Yeah well let let. Let's let's do that in fact one of the things I noticed. You know if you're ten or twelve you're not gonNA see Brandon Crawford or Markelle Simeon. They finished fourth and fifth and retook the top three from every position but to Lewinsky rollins. Joe Cronin from the Nineteen Thirties. That's that they set the pace. Yeah we can start there. I think that's absolutely authentic Joe. Cronin's a hall of Famer. Jimmy rollins had her seasons even in Sandy and last year in two weeks had many of them so as much as we love. Sammy and know Crawford is more of a sympathetic Unbelievable defensive player but neither one of those guys measures up to do the three that made Anita here. Got Jim for go. See Larry Bowl on the sidelines to Chris. Fire so that was an interesting position over at third base Carney Lancer got the most votes. We got everybody in his best season. That's an important thing to remember when we're playing this game carney last week winning the American league batting title with anyone Red Sox so he of course he is career speaks for itself and then we can Kennedy was an MVP and Stan hat from the nineteen thirty eight cubs made it. You know I love this. I love the people know who he is and and at least some of the people enough to get him in in the top three everybody. What Three d. Second Base Joe Morgan Age. The Way Tony was a great player. Claiming Babe Ruth Lou gehrig and Dustin Pedroia who unfortunately had to retire but at some fantastic seats with the red sox that's looking group at second base first base. I'd say pretty clear. Cut Willie stargell fall but a key through Nanas and Bill Buckner Start. Those were the three guys in it's I don't think there's a whole lot of argument there. In the outfield. The top three vote eaters. Were Joe Dimaggio. Ricky Henderson and Barry Bonds. That sounds pretty good. Yeah I'M GONNA have a D. H. So Frank will slide in era. Maybe maybe Ricky Anderson will be who knows acid. The the top floors is pretty amazing. Left dual hitting three ninety eight for the nineteen twenty nine phillies is in their McGee. East Bay guy. Aaron judge hitting what fifty two homers for the ankle years ago Curt flood is well. Remembered is in the Bigeye in Harry Heilmann four hundred hundred way back in the nineteen twenty-three Tigers rounds out the the outfield. In in in that case you've got some guys didn't make it like a pension and and Jackie Jensen Joe Fans. But you know it's a tough hang tough hang in there. And then finally the pitching staff the rotation guys are GonNa be. We're not serpent with three or four man rotation but the candidates Randy Johnson. Tom Seabird Dave Stewart. You know I can stop right there. Lefty Gomez C Sabathia Mike Norris with nineteen eighty as when he was almost unhittable bullpen had taxi. Dave Righetti time McGraw and and John Wetland and the People's minute there I think Dave Steve is pretty notable. I'm not sure one wants norris or wetland. They're headed Dave Steve at that. They are Maloney so but overall I'm really pleased with the way this voting. It's it's good looking roster very authentic lot more relievers on one side than the other I guess that doesn't matter because you could throw lots or Johnson in the eighth inning right. I team yeah can't you can't You just can't deny some great starters on on both sides You'RE GONNA lead. Jim Palmer drives up there and and I'm anxious to hear Stephen. Houston talk about how the southern California team broke down in. By the way I've loved the Harry Heilmann hit. I mean sands that great. I'm Jay leaders history. Now San Francisco Guy Hits hit on Monroe guy was just monstrous so yeah. He's coming off the bench around say so used. Why don't you go ahead and go through the southern California team that made it and then? And then I'll be the contrarian point out who maybe should have made it We'll start with cancer. We have a Gary Carter leading the way. He was named on ninety almost ninety eight percent of the ballots we received. We received a sixty one thousand seven hundred two ballots so that was pretty impressive. Eric Harder Lance Parrish. Bob Boom are catchers are they. Were pretty clear. Talks to Mike. Lieberthal finished fourth F. Alibi del Batty. We'll go to first base next Eddie. Murray Mark Maguire and a service surprise West Parker edged out Cecil fielder at first as our refers basically Murray wire and offer a second base. Jackie Robinson Jeff cat and chase utley former dodgers second base there Just being out. Bobby was for a third as George Brett Andy. Matthews and Nolan are an auto just entry now a dodger Justin Turner. So Dave Roberts will feel about that. We'll see a guess at shortstop Ozzie. Smith leading the way followed by Nomar Garciaparra a solid three people there Arc Yvonne. Who probably should have been on the list finished fifth? Lsd faulk about work and feel our nine out. Feelers are starting three. I'm assuming it is starting. I'll stack this up against anybody. Ted Williams Duke Snider Asan at Amazing Outfield Right. There backing them up will be Christian. Yelich Fred Lynn. Ralph kiner dusty Baker George Foster and Avi Vons so have against Barry bonds of the outfield. That'll be interesting. Are Ten pitchers would only have to relievers who've made the team that's rollie fingers and Trevor Often The other pitchers Don Drysdale Walter Johnson. Jim Palmer not rough Saberhagen. Stephen Straus were burt bly Levin Garrett Cole and Bob Lemon aside wraps up our team and I know Steve has some thoughts on the team. At the He'd love to share while the first one is that The to sort of omissions that are that are a little glaring and Reno. It's understandable because it's it's two players from the Nineteen Thirties Not Name you know Babe Ruth and Lou gehrig their their their names that you know if you follow baseball you odd. You've heard of them but you're not quite sure what they've done and it really does go back to that central point that we were choosing these players based on their best season and there was just on the northern California team. It seemed like the fans did go with Joe. Cronin a great example. Go with the guys that had these. You know remarkable hitting seasons way back nearly one hundred years ago and On this southern California team the two that stand out you know babe. Herman didn't make it He was very close but he didn't make it. And if you go back and look at the season we were talking about. He hit three ninety. Three thirty five home runs in his OPIE S. Was One thousand one hundred and thirty two. I mean it was clearly a season that could have helped this team and nineteen. Thirty five led the League batting three eighty five on base percentage close to five hundred. Slugging percentage swelled so for a shortstop that was clearly the best shortstop season. It's the fans had their say and Ed shortstop or covered Nomar Garciaparra. Had the the the year were using is was a second batting title row. Three seventy two and two thousand twenty one home runs and his opium was over a thousand. We're in good hands with no more on. This kind of underscores defense is important and from what I understand. It's important and APPA now Ozzie. Smith let our voters are shortstop of voters in and But but if you look at his his offensive numbers for his best season. It just doesn't stand up. You know just wasn't wasn't A slogger a tremendous editor as much as he was an incredible short and did amazing backflips between innings. Also you know the was. Those are the two omissions and I would say. Also and Catcher the best offensive year was Mike. Lee Revolves is the only guy had three hundred and and he had a lot of that year was really a big year for him with the phillies and was the catchers. Were in good hands of that position to three three stalwarts on to great team. Dave Roberts is GonNa have a lot of fun. Pick an starting lineup You know and the rotation you can spend a century you can have Walter Jones to start the first game and Garrett Cole from Corney nineteen start the second game and then somebody in between like Don Drysdale Jim Palmer. Start third game. The that's that's what's going to be the fun of this is You know just just kind of spanning all through baseball and having you know somebody from the nineteen thirties or forties batting against a contemporary pitcher or vice versa The one thing I will say. I'm sure that I can I? Can I can guarantee. Is that Davor. Arbitral have cable? He was batting three hole. We'll be back with Bruce Jenkins of the San Francisco Chronicle and Houston Mitchell and Steve Hanson of the Los Angeles Times. After this quick break hi. I'm Lily Janik. The chronicles theater critic join me and local playwright. Meghan Cohen for an exclusive online member event on Wednesday may twentieth at four. Pm. We're going to talk about what excites us right now in the local theatre scene what. It means to be a theater artist when audiences can't gather in person and what's going to happen to theater as an art form as shelter in place persists and once it Lifts Reserve Your Spot today at SF chronicle dot com slash membership. So the I five series made twenty six the best of seven and Napa game and even though gave Kappler and Dave Roberts will be drawing up the lineup on May nineteenth Catch that on. Zoom and followed by the way The updates on SF chronicle dot com slash sports in LA TIMES DOT com slash sports even though Robertson capital. Regina up the lineup. You guys are GonNa Manage Right. So Bruce and from the northern California and. How's this southern California team going to be run go ahead? Houston managing the southern California's. A way. It works. I mean Kaplan Roberts are GonNa pick the opening night lineups. But once they do that. It's in our hands and I've been talking to Houston about this. You know we're not going to turn it into a little league thing where everybody plays inning. But we is who have never sat on anybody's bench and I think both of us are going to make a real effort to get. Most of them ended series in a relevant way so the lineup struck us after after opening night. And I think we're both GONNA make sure that fans get a look at the most. Maybe all of these players. I hope it goes seven. Is that would almost guarantee it. Well who would you guys hit one through four? I'm just kinda curious this is I mean. It's it's up to Kappler and Roberts for game one but and then you decide you know the rest of the series but but just I mean these lineups are stacked be wonderful to find out through four for example well here in the north I I think Rickey Henderson is probably the greatest leadoff man that there ever was certainly in the arguments. He leads off for me. I follow him with Joe Morgan. Then Joe Dimaggio Barry Bonds and frank routes not bad. How about in the Southland? That's that's pretty good. I think I might want to see already known. I think he got a leadoff. Probably with Jackie Robinson. Just get that speed up the lineup. Batta Tony gwynn seconds Ted Williams Third Duke Snider Force Eddie. Murray that's pretty top five. That's pretty good to look. Hey Bruce hundred refresher course. In in terms of how once again you came up with these names because I'm looking at dusty Baker whose representing the south but he kind of grew up in Riverside spent high school you back or mental whereas you draw the line on the formative years yeah My whole thing the thing that separates these teams if you could just do change based on what state they were born in but it really wouldn't be realistic. You wouldn't have Jackie Robinson on the southern California team. Even though he's all the way Pasadena you wouldn't have Frank Robinson curt flood and Willie stargell their total. East Bay guy so that was my criteria and usually it's pretty clear. Cut Families moved to the area in an early age. You know with dusty. He grew up in Riverside. He actually started high school in down there. He doesn't cal all the way he finished high school up here but he grew up down there The one really interesting guy. It's not terribly clear. Cut his Walter Johnson and who some say is the greatest pitcher of all time from way back in nineteen thirteen. He grew up in a farm in Kansas You know in the early twentieth century but moved to Orange County and went to high school in Fullerton. High School moved there when he was fourteen. So I just have to think that you know he really learned the game and and figure to hang out in southern California. So he's he's pitching for Houston and they enjoy that that aspect of it. You only other one. That COMES TO MIND. Is Jim Palmer? Who was born in New York moved to the La area for youth ball and then went to high school in Arizona? There's no snow Arizona team and you make one would be much consequence so I think he. He qualifies Southern California Kids. Who so he's he's on that team. That's how it went and took a lot of to make sure I had everybody. Correctly issued beyond. And you know I did it for the whole country if you WANNA play Texas against Pennsylvania ready to go house. Delaware and Rhode Island looking right about now. I've got a got. A New England is is a region and into itself and so as the mid Atlantic and the deep south that for that sort of thing we got some. We got some email from fans Bruce addressed this wondering if they were pretty unhappy good-naturedly so why. Tom seaver was on the north. He's such a USC standout yes. I think what I I drew this up in the nineteen eighties. I decided that we needed him. So we'll cut it off at Fresno terribly bad place to cut it off but Yeah it's it's it's very it's pretty arbitrary I went I looked at the southern California rotation and said. Jeez you know And I think northern Northern California with claim Fresno as well. I think it's kind of IT'S A. It's not a handy stop from the bay area but it's not that far so good question though. The Fan does fans have a ballot. Argument will speaking of the middle of California House thrilled. Is Stephen Boat Right about now? Well Yeah you know. I was surprised. I've been doing this long time. It's not that surprising but the catching position in northern California's is really weak. I mean as sleepwalking del Crandall Land Parish and Bob. Boone and Lieberthal doesn't even make it. Stephen vote is like the number. Two Guy in northern California behind the greater in Lombardy got gusts. Charlie severe guys like that good names but but Steven vote was the number two votes. Get Her and he's he's got play time. Even vote is a great clubhouse guy. He's know with all these stars sitting on the bench. Maybe feeling a little disgruntled. He's a great guy to have is GonNa have in Your Doug. But that's that's really true and and this does go go beyond the the stats in a Lotta cases. The guys who are just they're just may stay for years and years and years and got to be involved somehow. Well how is clubhouse? Chemistry valued in APPA is not in the slightest. But I mean that's where your imagination works in a big way when you're managing these teams you can. You don't WanNa do anything to outside but you can. You can just say you know what I think. I've never seen Tom seaver flustered but he looks a little rattled out there. I think I might bring in. You Know Reagan Mike Norris right this stuff like that a lot of fun with it. I don't take any fights are gonNA break up but there is a thing where Rosen first and third. Twenty-three number comes out. You got a rainout games over. What about injuries yeah? Injuries happened Guys are for four five six seven games. What's the longest you've seen? The guy can be out Houston I can't recall a longest can be out. Although very rarely happens is sixty games. Yeah I mean good Lord. Yeah we're talking to Tommy Davis slide into the second and they're cool thing by Abbas they rate each player individually so if for example we had cal ripken or Gehrig on one of our teams. They would never get injured. Was injury prone would be more much more likely to get injured in this game. An great thing about taking this over with it's computerized versions because it's it's much more sophisticated than the way John you and I and everybody been rolling the dice for all these years and unfortunately we won't be rolling the dice which is a little bit of a loss because you're rolling the dice. It's kind of like an art in itself you know if you've been in Vegas and Blade that kind of that kind of you know what that's like but but instead of that you just push a button and here comes the pitch. And here's what happens at the trade off with APA Taking this thing over its way more sophisticated and a lot. More details of the players. Come into play like the way I played the game. Cal ripken could get her. It wouldn't and now you've got all these other factors that are just fantastic less gray one thing. We need to mention his John. Miller will present some of the highlights This which is pretty cool. So there's no baseball but everybody at the highest level is weighing in. And that's pretty anything else. You just what Lee. How how into this John Miller is he's like hey what? Where does that game I? I'm ready to go. We're going to have a podcast. After the thing is over wrapping up how it went and and we'll we'll run down the highlights in every so often donald margin with his call up that particular play. I'm sure there'd be like twenty twenty five of them so that'd be fantastic. The all southern California highlights coach to win pretty easily. I well I'm in Russia's top five hitters again Ricky Morgan go to Maggio now. It's going to be great and this is this. I had this dream of this Starting that way back in the nineteen seventies when I worked in the chronicle desk and had a lot of time in my hands. It's coming up this and and here. 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Run in with a mask, Nazi, who was actually the manager of my local Circle K. last night? Well! I walked in to get Get something to drink and. Go Up to the register and she's behind her magic plexiglass shields. With her with her mask on and I. I did not wear one. and she says you're supposed to be wearing a mask in here. You know and they're very officious. Efficient now before you go on with the story. Joe I'm just curious. What are the current? Rules in Arizona. Is there a government mandate? Allow people wearing masks, or is it just store policy? Well the the governor recently bowed. To pressure and there was a I guess a home rule kind of thing where the the the state policy was, you did not have to wear. One and local governments could not override that now the government the governor recently bowed depressure and changed the state policy that local. governments you know. County and municipal could institute their own. Their own policies, though the city I live in which is outside Phoenix. decided to after the county government Maricopa county instituted a mass requirement. the city that I live in outside Phoenix also mandated masks however. Their mandate headey exception for a religious exemption and clear. Exemption and I quote for persons medically unable to tolerate a facial covering. Right okay. So well, yeah, so when she said that to me I said I quoted the mayor's. Mandate I said I am medically unable to tolerate a facial. Covering I said that to her very clearly, and she said well I. Don't want to catch this. Your Alexi Glass Shield Lady. Wearing a man. I said you're not going to catch this for me. To which the manager of the store replied well, I wouldn't want to wait on you. Well. does she have that choice? Well Yeah I think she does as the manager of the store. She has the ability to tell you to go. Take a hike. Somebody. I would say that a business has a right to say that you know if you want to do business with us the after show up, but naked, yeah. They have. But I probab-. You know at at my age, you know. I probably won't show up at their star. Can. Can you guys still hear me? It sounds like we may have a bit of a delay though. It sounds like he's hearing himself back. I can't hear you over. We're GONNA. Put you on hold joint. What happened to your connection? It was going pretty well there for a moment and things got weird. But Yeah I mean the store owner. In this case, the owner was a manager, but the reason you hire a managers to make the decisions that you would make in your absence and so yeah, absolutely got the right to tell you. Hey, man I. Don't WanNa serve you. You know stupid it, but it's. It's kind of interesting because it's. It's one of these situations where it's like the government in some, at least in some instances which I guess might be the case here is demanding that the stores do this thing that they may or may not want to do and then it's like well. Okay, he should I violated or is. This is a store policy just because the government saying. It's real unclear whether policies exist because of government mandates, or because they perceived that that's what people will want them to do. Because they perceive that people are by and large, scared and frightened, and they wanna see that companies are doing. We're doing something I think the best way to deal with. This is just to let it be a store with the stores Paulette's it let it be private. Property would've been. Best absolutely would've been the best way to deal with the. Freedom Loving people would would have dealt with this situation. They would've said you know what every individual. Every store should make their own decision about what level of risk they're willing to tolerate, and then let the market decide, and then we would really know. We really know what people wanted. And what people were doing and why they were. People seem to have this idea that they have the right to free or put or force other people into taking action, and really you really only have the right to you know decide. Do you want to go out and take a risk or not and if you're if? If you're willing to go out and take a risk, then that's on you and if you're not then stay home and don't take that risk. I mean it seems obvious to those of us that you know that love freedom, but there's so many people out there that they don't care about freedom. They just care about safety. Yeah, and they will do everything that they are told to do including to go back to the beginning of the show where Texas they're department of Health, is telling people that they should wear masks in their own homes around their own families. I mean just the bizarre. Stuff that is going on here that people are putting up with and tolerating and even embracing and worse, shaming other people over so disappointing to to see happen, and you know once again. Libertarians like most of the hosts on this show are were firmly in the minority. At least if you look if you believe the polls out there, it seems like most people are Georgia. People are completely behind. The Mask, wearing stuff and all of the fearmongering and the scare. You know scary stuff that's being promoted out there all of it. It's really disturbing. So, if you WANNA comment, you're welcome to join us here. Toll Free Numbers, eight, fifty, five, four, fifty. The gentleman who was on hold, did drop off the line. If there were technical difficulties. Who always let you call back? So if you do want to get back on? Maybe there was more to the story. If so I would like to hear that we were talking about These online ponzi schemes and Ponzi schemes have been around for a long time, but it's not. It's not new to crypto. No, no, it's not new or here. It's not new period and. Ninety Crypto crypto makes him worse in a lot of ways, because well, because one of the features of crypto currency is a also a feature for scam artists. Okay, it's good for. The feature I'm talking about here is the fact that you can't reverse a transaction with most crypto currencies was time the time of policy actually time. You actually realize there's a too late damn. It's too late anyway. Regardless of how the money is collected, so I'm not. Sure I. Scam Sherp Ponzi schemes. 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As long as it's funded through torsion as long as it's funded through threats of violence than nothing it can do is ever moral justified. They understand the system, and they WANNA work inside it to change it so therefore in order to have their hunger strike that they'd plan which I thought was a great idea. They went to the government and what they do to. US reporter asked for a permit. They, ask affirmative. It was already over at that point. Right whenever you ask permission from the government. You might as well expect them to say no. No, no, what it sounds like government, has this none cooperation thing down to assign? Yeah, right free talk live seven nights a week from seven to ten eastern live on the Liberty Radio Network at l., R. N. DOT FM. What's up next visit? The Liberty Radio Network Program Guide to find out at shows dot L. R. N. DOT FM. That shows dot L.. R. N. DOT FM. It's free talk live. You can bring up what. 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Alleged programmers slash promoters whatever the programmer has gone ahead and taken a guilty plea in these seven hundred twenty two million dollar scam. To just bilk people out of significant amounts of bitcoins with seven hundred twenty two million dollars worth of Bitcoin. Taken from people under false pretenses that thought they were investing in bitcoin mining operation. When in point of fact, it wasn't nearly what it was represented to be. They did have some amount of bitcoin mining that they were doing so they could point to it and say see. We got minors. But it wasn't the amount that they said that they had, and they were spending the money on. You know vacations or whatever it was. These guys were doing it. We can tell you more about that. Coming up here in your calls and thoughts are welcome. Let's talk to Phil. He's in Florida watching us on twitch at twitch Don. L. R. N.. Dot FM go ahead Phil. Yeah I often pretty pretty sleazy about the The doing the bitcoin thing like that. People really invest in also know wanted to get into. Those Birr County. They passed a mask. Well which is ridiculous because here in Florida If you have a console, Terry permit, you're not allowed to wear face masks or anything that. We, in type of face, setting, and so you know. Kerry permanent can't wear a mask, and if you have a permit, or if you're actually carrying a gun if you have until forty important to have a CC making. you know you have to conceal it. You have to have a permit, but a lot of people that do, but you're not. You cannot wear a mask or any type of face, covering or anything. If you're legally considered caring, you're gone, so wait a minute Minnesota this. This is about concealment than they're basically saying you have to wear some sort of transparent mask. Do they make those? Well! They're saying you can't. You can't cover your face. It altered zillow caring, so they're saying the the people that were there were talking You know two sides of him out. You know because you know in disability. They can't ask you if you have a disability and why you're not wearing your mass, just say you have copd or asthma, or you have different. conditions sure the store does have the right to ask you leave, but they can't ask you what your ability is. Against, the law and The two sides out and and the one guy that voted you know the bureaucrats on the council. He's like. Where would they have all these loopholes? Where Oh, you can still carry, and you're gonNA have to wear a mask and Oh if you're in if you gotTA elements, you don't have to wear a mask well well, we why why? Why? Even mandating it and they still voted mandate for everybody to have to wear a mask, which you can't wear them as in certain situations, which you know by law. They said that they would you know They they was considering that. Go By law if you can still very legally that you don't have to wear a mask and they can't make. Well I do have to say. I had not thought of the idea of a transparent mask, but apparently they do exist, and so I would find that to be the least offensive of all the masks, because at least see the person's expressions and face, which is one of my main objections beyond the fear, which I definitely still don't support the fear mongering, but fill anything else. You want to share tonight about Florida. well, just an Lakeland. They did a mask the thing so now we have to have them ask everywhere. I went to a liquor store and I walked mass, though, but I walked in the league I don't like going into liquor stores. Privately owned one getting on different businesses that you know, 'cause I know guns by that. Yeah, and I don't like going in there with face mask and stuff. Because you know Kinda, you know could look you know you never know and. They're used to it by now, but yeah does. It is weird seeing everybody looking like a bandit everywhere. Thank you for the call. Phil appreciate it. The toll, free number, eight, thousand, five, four, fifty. Free Joe is back in Arizona. He was telling us a story I. Think this is the same guy who called in America. Is You saying okay so you were telling you? More reliable song this time. Technicalities yeah, it sounds like we got a good connection. Here Joseph you were telling us a story. You're a gas station. The managers behind the plexiglas shield, wearing a mask. She says hey, you're supposed to be wearing a mask. Then make some sort of objection that she doesn't want to catch cove it from you. And you said something to her. And then we had a bad connection, so tell the role I I just quoted the mayor's mandate and I told her I have I. Medically unable to tolerate a face mask, and then you know she comes. Basically she was condescending and lecturing me saying you know how well I wouldn't want to wait on you, I'm following. The government mandate should I be masked shamed by the manager of a business? That was my point. Yes, I agree. It's private property, but I'm I'm following the government directive. Active? It's it's really the private property owners you know th that matter as far as the decision is concerned, and then the question is if you have a reasonable. Accommodation is is it's a from a moral perspective, should they? Should they? Probably. They should've gone. I wasn't coughing. I wasn't coughing wasn't sneezing. I wasn't singing loudly. You're shouting, so there was no droplet. You know I wasn't admitting droplet, and even if you were behind a plexiglas shield, so I'm not sure what her risk. What? She thought her risk was generally there, and if she's really that concerned, she shouldn't be working with the public. She quit her job and go get a telephone job where she can sit at home in the safety of her own four walls, sit wearing her mask all by herself, and she can feel good and I didn't appreciate being spoken down to. Say. You're Tirlian. Appropriate but. I'm just wondering should I should I let it go or should I be Karen in contact your company? You know I just I'm telling you I would let it go. I mean personally like look. You know there's probably another. There's probably another convenience store that you can go to I suspect that's not the only one in town. Is Convenient. Great. Point hey thanks for the call Joe. Let us know if anything welcomes on that. I appreciate hearing from you tonight. The toll free numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free like freedom. There's a lot more information by the way about the bit club Ponzi scheme that we were talking about in the Hour I've been reading through a really detailed peace over it behind MLM DOT com. If you ever ever find yourself proposed by one of these, MLM advocates MLM Stanford multilevel marketing. And there's a myriad of different companies out there that do mlm some more legitimate than others a lot of them just straight up ponzi scams, and so one of the best resources I've ever found online of website called behind MLM DOT com. They literally have reviews of just about every. MLM Company out there including obscure Crypto only ones that only exist on the Internet and so they've got an actually like a multiple articles here about bit club. So if you want to dig into the dirty dirty details of this this Ponzi scheme, then boy they got you covered. This is there's one article here. That's just a all about job weeks. Because what I was saying earlier was this purported. Libertarian Anarchist Guy Jobe weeks. WHO's been to Antarctica POCO and the PORCUPINE festival? I was like well. I don't know what level of involvement he had so all the benefit of the doubt. 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Interested in playing it for as long as they can get away with it I mean the you know as long as there's people who are getting infected. The chicken little's running around like they got their head cut off. The majority of people who've died from it have been elderly people in nursing homes, which these politicians sets people to sure did yeah, they ought to be frogmarched in handcuffs out of the Governor's Mansions Komo and my governor what they did we and why would they send? Why would they send? People who are sick nursing home, so it doesn't make any sense they did. They were worried about room and spills, or whatever which we were trying to death. Toll is my best guess. I mean it's old people who die from this shit. That was close I'm going to go in the dump Button I. Sorry about that folks. You were saying old people who die from the stuff and so two to an intentionally send sick people into in two large groups of all people is just. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah doesn't take. Anything! It's insane. It's control. You Watch are going to try to get rid of cash and you know they're gonNA say there was. This whole crash were. got a real reason for it. Yeah, they're using. They're using all sorts of reasons. They're using this as an excuse to crack down on all sorts of freedoms. That they were trying to crack down on before and I don't know a I think he should certainly resist it to some degree I'm still using cash when I go out and not not because I put in places that don't take crypto and stuff. Just, because it's like it's one of those things where I don't WanNa. See Cash, go away. Cash is certainly something that enables people to have privacy and control over their own lives. Right, and that's what they WANNA get rid of is any summarize of privacy whatsoever, Joe, what is the? Temperature you know you're talking to people there around you in Michigan I mean. How are they feeling about this? people don't like it. I mean normal people who don't you know just people are they gonNA. Put a mask on. BUDDIES GONNA wear a starting Monday, the mandate. Somebody's GonNa wear a catcher's mask. Stores kind of a protest just to see if anybody says anything but. you know. The economy stinks. Michigan, I. Think we're at twenty two percent right now or something like that. Because of her what? She did twenty two percent of what it was prior to. Yeah. Okay. Yeah and it's it's Dismay, Michigan's lag behind. And the people, the five hundred dollar fine a lot of people you know. I was furloughed for a while for my job I'm back for now, but there are a lot of people who still are sitting around on furlough or unemployment, or they're not going to have a job. Go back to the. They're gonNA. Comply man I mean. You know. What are you GonNa? Do you got kids to feed or bills to pay five hundred bucks? Home well, I wouldn't hey. I'd rather go. Sit it off in a prison cell, personally than than enrich the state, more or their tyranny, but most people will do what they're told. Even if they don't like it, they'll grumble about it while they put the mask on. And unfortunately, unless unless you see mass civil disobedience in noncompliance, then you're going to see mass obedience mass compliance. It's one way or the other I think you say math, or they're both but yeah same thing. Hey, Joe. Thanks for the call. keep us up the up to date on this you. Know. What happens, thank you, Joe L.. Let's talk to Jeremy He's Alabama listening or watching us on D. Live, which is one of our video streaming services at D. Live. Dot Dot FM. Go ahead Jeremy. Do on your mind. I. Guess for me. You. Know you always talking about how? The misinformation and stuff in the the media cycle so fast that people just they just cannot remember what has happened day to day, but I what? I can't understand it, and this is what kills me more than anything is the very. You just look back to the very first reports coming out of Wuhan China. They were showing people falling over dead with no symptoms. We have seen nothing like that. Th they to me. They messed up on their very first ally. You See. Wouldn't. Wouldn't fall over dead. The symptom like this. Isn't that something that is, but you're saying that. We're not seeing that here. Nobody in America's. Right I. Mean I've been everywhere? No one min to Walmart many times, no one's no one's just fell over from covid nineteen will do you know anybody who's even gotten it I know one person is a distant relative in London who was hospitalized for for covert and got better. I don't and I know one person who got it before I met him. How old was the person who is? In London. Babies Sixty. What kind of what kind of how many people do you know outside of like new? Hampshire because New Hampshire is a more rural area and the percentage of people who have here is much lower than like the cities. I mean I've got I five thousand facebook friends that. Single one has been on facebook either mourning the loss of a loved one or saying Oh. My God I've got the Rona. Yeah I've not seen much either. I we have one guy who is an advertiser on the show, he lives in New York City. He came down with covert and survived it, and that's the guy who got it before Adam. The guy that referred to well. Let let me ask you guys what you think about. This saw it as if they're gonNA make you know nationwide mandatory. My been there most certainly going to make mandatory vaccines later. That is definitely what some people are concerned with and I appreciate your call tonight. Thank you, Jeremy, the toll, free numbers, eight, hundred, fifty, five, four, fifty, free like freedom I don't think they're going to try to New Hampshire. California I think you might see some mandatory vaccines and a place like that. Yeah it, certainly, certainly I wouldn't put it past them to do mandatory vaccines, but it seems more like those types of things are the result of. Entrance to schools and things of that, and they may try to keep it that way that way. It's voluntary that way. They can say sakes that way they can say. Don't go to school then. You don't have to have the vaccine, but they may also have called. Cram it down on their employees as well. That's pretty good possibilities. Work. You could quit your job. You want to keep your job though you gotta get the maxine. So I think there's some legitimate concerns out there about that, and how overblown they are I guess only time will tell the toll free number. If you WANNA, join the show, bring up. Whatever's on your mind. Eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free like freedom. We've been talking a little bit of tech tonight. We tend to do that. When Chris is on the show. Because he hosts his own tech show, which is called freedom decrypted, you can go and watch and or listen. You can subscribe to a podcast Oregon download videos over at freedom decrypted DOT com. Now that you're back from the the woods in Europe for some number of days, you're up with us there at the campground. Yeah, but you. You're backing with production, right? You're yes so Saturday. We'll. We'll do another show it'll probably be the. We probably will be another week or two before we were another show, but the Saturday. You're on, yeah, definitely, the Saturday and there should be another show up loaded as well from their campaign. That's gone uploaded. Check him out at freedom decrypted dot com whole hour to go including a story about some bad decisions being made by one of the major. Go To companies for supposed privacy on the Internet signal. TAP THAT EDWARD SNOWDEN recommending you've got news about them on the way, and that is coming up on free talk. Live our three next. 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The toll free number is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free like freedom, eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three with you in the studio. You've got in nobody. Chris all right, so you can join us also on dischord, dischord dot L. R. N. Dot F., M. and coming up We've got some more news about tech Chris. You've got a story about signal for a long time. Signal has been an APP that even people as renowned as Edward Snowden have recommended that people use in order to add some level of privacy to communications over the Internet. Now there's no truly. Or private communication likely out there be very very difficult. To have a perfect system, arguably PGP may be the best system that that. Stands for pretty good privacy. It's been around since. Yeah. It certainly got a track record. T shirt does now. Signal has a lot of good things going for it right like I've heard and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I've heard that the guy who programmed signal Moxy I. Think Marlins Mike is his handle. I, suspect it's not his birth name, but I don't know but this guy is apparently pretty friendly towards freedom and privacy from from what? What I understand and he's cooked up some sort of an encryption system that uses a different set of keys for every message sent. If I recall correctly or something like that, there's some sort of ongoing imaging. That's kind kinda how how single work right fundamentally? That's what I'm referring, but that's different than a lot of encryption systems. We just have one set of keys, and it's all encrypted to the same. Set of keys with signal. It's somehow changing them. For attending. Basically each time. It sends a message. It generates new key for the next message. So so if you could crack one message, you can't crack necessarily the others in in overtime exactly and and if you masquerade as somebody, you'll caused new key to be generated so the next time that person tries to send a message. I believe he'll know that something is wrong. Okay, the key changed when he didn't send a message. To neat going on so fundamentally I think it's not some underlying maths, and so on are necessarily. Problematic, but you're saying they are problematic. Aren't not problematic. Okay, but I think the. How do I say this? The signal itself I've always been a bit skeptical of I'm one of the reasons. Is the phone numbers that you know if you WANNA talk about? To have a phone number to sign up for the system, exactly it's a centralized solution. It's not centralized solution now. Arguably the reason for that is to prevent. spammers rightist because the idea is if you've actually got a phone number, you've probably paid somebody somewhere to have. And that's the other problem. Is You're? It's an APP designed for phones I mean. Fundamentally unsecure so right and you say this as as a privacy expert. Your. I'M GONNA. Use the term obsessed. A good way with with privacy like you. The kinda guy that puts a ultra private operating system on your phone. You root your phone. You put on what is using graphene using? Yeah, so I would back up a moment, and say I'm concerned about privacy, but if you look at what I'm actually doing I would not necessarily go so far as to say that I've running a privacy friendly operating system by any stretch of the vegetation. Okay, okay. I certainly will advocate for people to use them particularly when they need them but i. don't necessarily like you are using. One of the Google stripped operating snobs right wherein Google apps or present so phone. Yeah, absolutely I am so comparisons, but I'm not going. To believe that you actually have privacy. Yeah, right should. It's more private in on the phone than a default Google device. Yeah, there's some stuff you can do to shield your or keep some stuff private friend, some entities and government agencies. That doesn't necessarily no perfect solution. Is One of these things. Where if you're if you're working? If you're a mob boss, don't go to any of this is going to help you. It's not there. These phones are a fundamentally back doored by their very nature, and while it may take effort, you know some amount of effort for the government to you know basically remotely you know tap into that. You know that doesn't mean they can't do it if they want you bad enough right now if you're doing, you're just a random person who's dealing small amounts of pot. May? Be Good enough. It might be and so it doesn't hurt to use it typical. The local police department detective exactly who subpoenas the telephone company records looking for your text messaging. If you don't use signal if you're just using open any old text message, and that's going to be in the clear. The messages will be available if you're using something like signal or even telegram for that matter, even though telegrams, encryption may not be as strong telegraph. It's still a system that that bypasses. Text Messaging. Setup, and so it'd be difficult. In fact, we even saw you weren't there for this, but there I think nobody was sitting in the in the courtroom. It was at Christopher Cantwell's bail hearing where a agent with the Manchester Police Department testified under oath directly the no, not incorrectly, he testified under oath that they could not get access to telegram servers that by the use of telegram. The Chris Campbell had flummoxed the FBI because servers telegram aren't located within the United States so, there's no. There's no way they can put the pressure on telegram to turn over the information from their servers. Okay Yeah I. Mean he said. Not so here, part of the problem with this is I mean I don't know how he worded or what he said exactly, but there's all sorts of ways that they can get access to stuff even when the servers are in the United States. Now I don't know what the telegram servers contain I. Don't know. He seemed to think this was a dead end that they couldn't do anything. The only way able to get the telegram conversations was by the end user turning them over to them. With of course is the weakest point all right so so. Every phone if you ever use telegram, every phone has a con- logs on your phone. So certainly they could have gone through that route and I think that's what he was saying effectively. They did they went through a physical device on the eve so-called victims computer whatever and copied the the logs. Not Try I forget what organizations called, but there's an international inter they might be interpolar Europol. There's basically different organizations that will allow you to gain access to evidence in other countries, and so it's more work for them to do that, but to say, and this is why I'm a little skeptical of what this guy said in combination with the fact that he clearly lied about Bitcoin and I'm trying to think what he said, but he said it was anonymous or something and I. Didn't know well in combinations whatever it was. You know clearly these talking about Minero, but he was using the term bitcoin right right, and so, and this is exactly the point that I'm making like this guy is not not be aware of reliable witness and he shouldn't. His testimony could have been probably refuted by if you had the money and resources to bring up. Another witness makes a witness to refute what he said. These clearly you know what I've what I've heard anyway was. You guys know just as well as I do. There's more to the story. Hold that. Thought, Chris, we're going to go into David in Michigan I though he's listening to w K. Jim Jackson Good David. Good. Evening Gentlemen Welcome. You're on the air. Like! Kinda WanNa talk about naked only two new after nine. Because you've up pro, there's a program previous to yours on station here, but w cage is a great station. Yes, it is, and we're grateful beyond. So finance low tech and high tech. In Howard things being done what comes to my mind? Right off the bat is. Well they do low tech finance in the inner cities of Chicago Detroit which is not too far down the road. And, of course your. CRYPTO currency which I'm you know at fifty eight? I'm trying to catch up with it, but I don't think I will be able to. Because all the high tech. Cornet. The finance that what you're saying finance. Yeah yeah the fire that you're saying. You feel like you're too old for for this. Oh, you mean to understand though. I'm kind of a dump. But dumbhead because they. Not that I'm not interested. 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A lot of things in life in order to enjoy the benefits of a thing you don't have to understand everything about it, and all of the aspects surrounding it, you know when I walk into a room, I can flip a switch and turn a light on. I don't have to know exactly how electrcity works. Although it's nice to have that knowledge I don't. Don't need to know it in order to operate the switch right so or the same thing's true, a bitcoin in order to send or receive bitcoin or crypto currencies. It's pretty basic, and it's pretty spits been made pretty easy to do now. You don't know how you don't need to know the interoperational workings of blockchain to really get the benefits of the you. You know the the protections of the basics are good to know like how it works roughly, but like you don't need to know all the math behind right and I don't I'm not an engineer on these things, although nobody has been digging through the Bitcoin Code, he's he's the kind of guy who can do that. Sort of thing. given enough time. I can't go ahead. Man! May I ask questions. Where's the trust? In other words are basic inner, most cross that in other words of five US Dako five hundred dollar bills. Sitting right next to me. I trust that's mine. In God. We trust on every American. Denomination, of, coin. Bill God we trust. Where is the basic crust at the light switch goes off whereas my belt. Are you seeing you guys can answer that I can answer? In God. We Trust. He's talking about trust. How do you trust crypto currency was referencing trusting the the US dollar, and they actually the fact is, you can't trust the dollars. No, but also told that dollar that were something on the street or a merchant go as I. What was the last word? I'm sorry I missed. We sit there well. The Almighty dollar God, we trust his press dentistry for drugs for you know you know up prescription So the dollar is also last night. Ninety six percent of its value since Federal Reserve was created. Yeah I think that's an important point here. I mean you can have a stack of hundred sitting next to you, but over time the value of that stack of hundreds is going to go down, and that has been the history as nobody's pointed out tremendous decline in value of the US dollar over the last hundred years and that's not going to get any better. Because well, the politicians have all the incentives in the world to continue printing, which is what they did designed to go down address policy from. Listen listen mugs from Jackson Michigan. We really appreciate your insight and all your short on time. Well I'm not trying to I'm not trying to boot you out if you gotta go, that's Fine David I wanted to keep talking about trust I'm here because it is important when it comes to being, you know money being able to trust it. It's going to do what it says it's going to do. You're not gonNA your value stolen out from underneath you like you are with the US dollar, and that's one of the neat things about Bitcoin is it's a an open source computer software project where even though orange, which goes out what happened? Are you talking about? If the power goes out, ho? Come, somehow get hacked by a board entered the. BITCOIN, it can't be done. It could be done. It would have been done already referencing his phone being hacked. No, are you talking about them? Taking down bitcoin itself or just your purse? Yeah, it basically is impossible. If it could be done, it would have been done by now. David Bitcoin has been around for more than a decade, and there's plenty of people who would love to destroy bitcoin and they have been. There are a lot of governments who are attacking Bitcoin and other crypto currencies, so this idea that it can be easily. Shutdown is just it's wrong. It's not to say that there aren't potentially ways to attack, but it's not like. Yeah that's right. You gotTA. Make sure that your your dough is secure. There's no doubt about that and that's what's Nice about bitcoin. Is it has cryptographic level? You know security? It's very very secure. There are a lot of people with a lot of resources that would love to tear down bitcoin number one of the big statement that you want to take down. Bitcoin is if you can break it then you can have it. You know you can. Just you can steal it right like you could siphon it off for yourself or whatever, but that's not a possibility because of the decentralized. Nature of Bitcoin. If you're so the way, the blockchain works just to overview it briefly for you is, it's a public ledger that is decentralized and distributed meaning that copies of this ledger thousands of them exist simultaneously on thousands of computers all around the planet, so if one person tries to cook the books on his copy of the ledger, the other ledgers. Ledgers will reject those changes and reject that you know false ledger, basically, because they're all constantly comparing each other's copies with one another for security sake, and so essentially it's impossible to cook the books on Bitcoin. I'm not saying I'm not going to say it's impossible to hack. Because obviously, there's some possibility of that happening, but if it could have been hacked. By now, yeah, there's there's nothing is impossible to have other. Here's the thing here's a No. One's done it here. Nobody's GonNa yet. Right right right? Here's the thing it's very security. That doesn't mean there's not other ways to attack. It work to attack people's confidence in it. What they're doing program there. What I what I'm thinking is. How deep did these thieves? International, these WANNA get. Are you referring to governments because they will take as much as they possibly can, and that's another reason to government. It doesn't need to be government. Anybody else that wants. You know. For. Governments are well-funded. They have the ability to throw all kinds of money at the things they want to destroy whereas your average thief. Doesn't have that ability. Thank you David for the call tonight. I definitely do appreciate hearing from you. There is a lot of concerns that people have. And you know what if you're too scared of the new frontier than stay away from it. It's no harm to you if you don't get into it however, if you do get into it then you're relatively safe as far as storing these things because again, no one has ever hacked bitcoin so good luck to them. There's a huge prize out there if they can pull it. It off, but basically it can't be done from what I can see. We're coming up for from news. DOT BITCOIN DOT COM BTC. Minors give off a signal of intending to sell. Does this mean a bear cycle New Zealand police seized ninety one million dollars from a Russian exchange operator. 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Live and can bring up whatever you want. Our toll free number, eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free like freedom. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three. We have the discord call in line rooms over at discord dot l.. R. N. DOT FM. There are a lot of concerns about crypto currency out there some of them more legitimate than others. The concern that some mysterious hacker is going to take down the entire bitcoin network isn't really justified in any way shape or form the concern that somebody might steal your phone from you. And you don't have a password on and get into your crypto wallet. Well, that's a much higher concern that's much more likely to others. There still solutions to that already built in via different methods of backing up your key or a username and password, so if you lose your phone, but if you back up your key and you don't have a password on your phone. That's not going to help you this your phone on the back of a toilet seat. At the airport and it's on and unlocked. The next person walks in and then gets in your phone. They can then empty out your crypto while it. If there's no extra password either I mean you should. You should generally have a password on your phone and he. That's what I'm talking about. If you compare risk with cryptocurrency, the risk that the bitcoin network itself is going to be somehow targeted and taken down is very very low, compared to the risks that somebody's going to have crappy personal security and do something right. And the security issue also, there's two sides to it. Which is if you have? If you have no backups, you could. You could lose your key if you hat, but every backup that you have. Increases, the chances that somebody will be able to get a copy of your backup. especially if you store them in southerly, yeah! Insecurity maybe don't pass the backups. People have to remember is that you know bitcoin cash almost something sorry or gold? You could potentially lose. Somebody could potentially still could. There's a risk, but it's probably less risky. Than having cash or gold in many cases, I think you're right, so at least if somebody you know if somebody breaks in your home, and they steal your gold or your cash. They can actually go and spend it. They still your bitcoin or your phone, whatever? They can't necessarily spend it so if you've got your lock right, you've got your password so. But the same time. It's like you've still probably don't WanNa unless you unless you are. If you're an investor or I hate that word, but if you have a lot of Crypto, you have a lot of cash. You know you're probably better off. Having crypto over the cash, and especially if you take measures to secure it if you have a large quantity of cash so. And like your personal wallet or like Your Personal Safe. You need to take responsibility for acting that right, so you WanNa have a better security on that device that stores your large amount of Crypto. Relative to maybe device that's not as concerned about like your phone, because but your phone. If you lose it, you probably you probably aren't. GonNa have a hundred thousand dollars. You're going help. You know for spending money, but you're not gonNA. Have more than what you might otherwise have in your wallet cash. Wise, either so at least that would be a good place right right, right? Let's go to William. He's in Texas listening via podcasts later on. William! You're on free talk live. Hey elbows will hey, what's on your mind? The! Once I call when you're talking about. I have a question about the subject. You're actually talking about right now. So I'm animal and I want to get cryptocurrency. So I think. Number one question is. Which Crypto do you guys recommend I'm referring to ease of use and global transaction fees that type of thing. Cash and Bitcoin cash is probably my in cash in. Here's what here's what I'll tell you what it's not necessarily because it's the best, or it's the most privacy, friendly or anything like that. It's not private. It's not. The reason is because you can actually go and spend it whether it's you know locally or whether it's online. Everybody's pretty much taking. We live in a special place. Chris I mean you can spend. Online you can also spend music lakes purse dot Io, for instance, just I I owe anybody who takes anybody who's accepting crypto pretty much is taking a bitcoin cash either enough the dark web vendors I have not noticed a lot of bitcoin calf, really interesting they might. Doing tomorrow the privacy, but mostly anywhere else. That's not the dark web you know you're. You'RE GONNA see bitcoin cash accepted because even places like bit pay which limit the number cryptocurrencies that they accept telling two or three. Yeah, they're taking bitcoin cash, so you're pretty much guaranteed to be able to spend bitcoin cash. It is well I wouldn't say you're guaranteed, but it is. You know relatively well accepted compared to some of the smaller cryptos out there I would say that and the fees are very low when it comes, but then most of them also have low fees dash has low fees. MINERO has low fees. I mean almost every other crypto currency. Besides BITCOIN BTC has low fees, so it's relatively easy to to do that, but I hesitate to say that you know I. Don't WanNa. Make it sound like I'm picking a winner because I don't know where the future you know what the future holds for crypto currencies, so bitcoin cash is useful here, but it may not be as useful where you are, so it just depends well, but in most places it's not gonNA. Be Any crypto is not going to be all that useful. In most places, but in some places it is, but if you're going to use it, you're mostly going to use it. Online you, which case it's GonNa. Be Bitcoin cash for you know as far as low fees and everybody's taking almost. Okay so okay. Yeah, I kinda I of trust. Your opinion and others more than other people rat. And I know you guys live New Hampshire. Yes, special thing going there so on that note about. What about you save at First Dot Com? What do they take or what coin cash is accepted at save at first dot com? That's one of the most useful aspects of of bitcoin cash, simply because it opens up to buying things on Amazon with bitcoin cash discount, and they also take the original bitcoin btc there, which of course as the king of the hill. BITCOIN BTC the The prices are high as far as these the fees go with. With spending Bitcoin, but that's why bitcoin cash is marketing itself aggressively as the cash alternative to bitcoin something that is intended to be spent something that's intended to be liquid and useful and I. I support the Vision I. Do for for Bitcoin Cash I'm not going to say I think it's going to be the top crypto. I don't know what is going to dethrone bitcoin be. Let's see how we define top CRYPTO in my my largest market cap. In my mind, the top CRYPTO is not the one that has marked the one that's the top is the one that is most usable most spendable hills, and that would be tethered You know fees lower fees. That would be tether if you go by if you rank the crooked tether. You can use it There's a lot of places using it because it has more volume every day than even bitcoin BTC does never seen other accepted anywhere. No, you can't spend it generally on things. which is how I would be round, but there are some places where you can spend. Tether coin payments for instance takes tether you can. You can have that in any place that takes coin payments. You can spend tether, but the the fact of the matter remains as far as moving money around is concerned. Tether is the top tether. Don't think as far as an end user wanting to buy food. DuNno tethers. What's called a stable coin it, so it's a token. That is tethered to the US dollar so I think I think I think the answer is. If you're getting into trading, tether is something they want. Understand and know about, and you'll probably be using a lot of put if you're looking to use crypto currency to buy things like on the Internet, or maybe not the dark web, but on the Internet generally or if you're in a place like New Hampshire. And there's physical brick and mortar stores you know bickering caches is probably what you want to be looking at. A and to be clear this listeners about you know not just anyway. I'm not asking him. What you? What your opinion of the best one is from that day forward what I'm hearing. Is that bitcoin cash too good one in at least for now for purposes of spending. So. So I to be clear. What do you think the one ever? That's not the question the question is. 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So we were just talking with a gentleman who is asking about crypto currencies had a basic question about you know what's. What's the liquid crypto out there? Something that you can use in commerce to buy things on the Internet, maybe in real life, and and you both said because cash and I liked bitcoin cash. There's no doubt about it. When when bitcoin split in its first ever split since then it's happened dozens of times, but since when it when it first split into bitcoin and Bitcoin cash pch. I supported pch. I mean I I didn't WanNA see BITCOIN SPLIT I would've loved to for it to just fix itself. Volumes fix the problems that had arisen on its network, but they refused to, and so for people who said we want to have a workable useful CRYPTO, said well. We're going to split it off. The Nice thing about cryptocurrency is that it's it's all open source, so you can copy the code and you can do your own thing if if you want to do that. And that's what they did and I think it was the right choice to make sense. Then bitcoin cash itself split into Bitcoin SV and coin cash and the original. BITCOIN is split like sixty times or something ridiculous like that most of them splitting off into some unremarkable. Thing that was just a cash grab or whatever for the people that did it, but let us through a conversation about the top- cryptos out there you can go to websites like coin market, cap, Dot, com or coin geico dot. com I like coin Gecko a lot, and it gives you a a ranking of the you know the different crypto currencies in the world usually thousands of them in this case. Coin Geckos got seventy, six, hundred, forty eight. Different coins listed on their website. I remember just a few years ago. These sites only had like two thousand. That's their ranking it by market volume, so they're not ranking by market. Cap Margaret Gap, so they're the ranking by market CAP, which is not, and that is the total value in US dollars of all of the Crypto in grades. Training, no, it's the toe, so it's whatever the market cap is the total US dollar value of all of the crypto currency of that one type in existence so bitcoins current market cap is one hundred and seventy point five and change billion US dollars, and you get that by multiplying the current price of a Bitcoin, which about ninety two hundred dollars times. The current supply of Bitcoin is eighteen point four million right right? Okay so. That's how you get the market cap yeah. BITCOIN blows the rest of them out of the water. The the second place Crypto is theory him at a market cap of twenty six point eight billion, so Bitcoin, one, hundred seventy billion number two is twenty six point eight bitcoin dominance is still about sixty percent or something about sixty two point, seven percent, according to coin market Cap Dot Com, so of all the crypto currencies in in all the GIN joints in all the world. Bitcoin is has a Martin over half that. Yeah, yeah, over half now bitcoin used to have a ninety plus percent market Canada used to have one hundred percent. Yeah, well way back in the day. Before bitcoin hit a a real bumpy bumpy road of to hit, it became too popular, and it wasn't able to scale up to the demand in the marketplace that was when it was at ninety percent, and then it. It felt like I. Think it lowest. Its lowest point was like in the thirty range like thirty to forty percent. Market dominance, it's since come back to the sixty percent range, but is nowhere near as dominant as it once was, and that led us to talking about what is currently the number three and I'm saying the term Crypto for together, but in reality it's actually a token. It's not a it's not. It's own separate crypto currencies lives on. Different blockchain's like we've had this conversation about whether is even really a crypto currency. It's arguably not yeah, because it's not, it's own crypto currency. It's token on an existing crypto currency. In fact, it's actually on more than one network tether exists as tokens on a bunch of different crypto currencies. including, being worked into bitcoin cash I believe BTC was the original tether is actually now on bitcoin cash as a bitcoin cash token. It's on Tron tron token can it's on. Of course, that area is in a theory of Tokyo, which is where most of it is, but it's on different blockchain's but number three right now in market cap is rather, which is a dollar stable coin, and it is in the news right now. According to Forbes Michael, Dale del Castillo for staff and breading story that a New York. Court is now investigating into tether, and whether or not it actually has the backing that it claims to have and this. Is this the problem with? With stable coins and things that people are getting confused over the difference between stable into crypto currency. There's nothing there's no central entity behind the currency here. We have a stable coined. There is central centralized so you. There's something that the government can attack and they have. We talked about I. Think it was yesterday we talked about how USD C., which is the maiden competitor to tether in the stable coin world? They've got about a billion dollar market cap whereas tethers got about ten billion. But US DC frozen account with one hundred thousand USD see in it. And they did it at law enforcement request Yep exactly so you've got to be aware of that but in this case a New York appeals court has unleashed the state's attorney general to investigate a number of businesses behind the tether crypto currency, while there are no formal accusations of fraud or other wrongdoing, the opinion from an appellate division of their supreme. Court gives teeth to subpoenas filed by the Attorney General the respondents including both tether holdings. Limited and BIT PHOENIX crypto currency exchange at unsuccessfully fought the subpoenas at the trial level before appealing, the news comes at an awkward time for Brock Peers Age thirty nine. Who is the creator of tether? I did not know this. We've interviewed this guy in the past. He edged super interesting. We were just talking about him last night. Because he's running for president, he's busy a bitcoin or who's thrown. His hat in the ring is an independent presidential candidate. I don't where do I. Know that name from his child actor? He was in movies like the bad news bears or something like that news, the bad news bears, but a little ducks, mighty ducks. In mighty ducks or something. Yeah, yeah I think you're right anyway. He's he was a child actor. He's thirty nine now, but creator of the crypto currency tether who this week announced. He was running for President Representative for New York's attorney. General says he cannot confirm or deny. The investigation includes Pierce so then they talk for a moment about his presidential campaign. They say he created. Created tether as a way for CURTO currency investors to quickly enter an exit, a position unlike bitcoin and other cryptos tether was meant to have a stable price backed one to one by real US dollars, but unlike traditional dollars tether can be moved instantly while actually cashing out a crypto asset, using banks can take days and many banks won't support the service at all, and that's true. by November twenty if you want to cash out If you WANNA cash so M- at at spot cashing out Crypto by selling it to the to a guy on the street takes only a minute. That's true if you can find the guy. Send it to me by November twenty eighteen questions about whether or not tether was actually backed dollar for dollar started to circulate, and a predecessor of the State Attorney General Latisha James officially began an investigation after turning up some promising leads, however tether, and Phoenix filed an appeal resulting in a temporary halt of the investigation with this new opinion dated this week. That investigation can now resume the result of what the Attorney General uncovers could impact any of countless owners of the other crypto currency with the total market value of ten billion dollars, and depending on whether or not is found, is good or bad for tether may pave the way for a flock of new regulated competitor so. It's kind of 'em carrying curious. because. I've always been thinking like you know. They're basically spending money. Probably from what they're bringing in, so it wasn't one to one, but if they're investing that, you know all of that money that they've gotten those accounts billion right? They don't actually have it in the bank. They may have way more than what they've actually cleaned. They're claiming that they had. They may have fifty billion dollars for all. We know if that if those investments paid off. Yes, that's a great question. So then at that point it becomes, it becomes a very interesting question of well. Did they commit fraud or something of that nature? Because they at least killed, pay it all back, also what is tethers liability to US courts or New York courts. My understanding is bit. Phoenix is not based in the United States. Bank accounts here Tether Holdings Ltd is based out of the British Virgin Islands according to Wikipedia so. Again why they take these New, York people so seriously i. Probably have bank accounts. I'm sure the bank accounts here and there tied to the US dollar. If they're they, they're an ebling. They somehow have to get that. Tether our or get the get the US dollars four, and then give the tether out, so they've got to have some sort of connection to maybe right to. Even if it's even if it's through the Virgin Islands, those banks are going to have to cooperate with the US or they're not going to the access to the US market anymore tether operations, limited fanatics. The CRYPTO currency exchange. Are the ones that are being targeted for the investigation. Pierce isn't mentioned in the opinion, but he is the founder or co founder of tether back in twenty fourteen, and also been involved in other crypto currencies. So you know times going to tell, but if it turns out, somehow that tether isn't actually backed one for one. That's going to do some serious damage. Damage to its value in the marketplace, and there are currently ten billion of these things out there, so that's a lot of money in a lot of people's hands. That is at at risk, or maybe it's not maybe they do have the backing and everything's fine. What do you think we'll see you tomorrow night? Question Mark Online in the meantime. FREETALKLIVE DOT COM. Remember when you first heard about bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little projects would soon changed the world. The you kind of wish you had gotten involved sooner. Well. Now's your chance to be a part of the next revolution. Money into coin is working with finally. Make crypto go mainstream. It's designed to be scalable enough to support everyday payments in even elections without the state bitcoin was originally supposed to be appear to peer cash system. The way would all pay one without. Without having to trust any third party, but instead overtime in mostly became a store of value. 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A.'s also president of the San Diego Padres in general manager of the mets very successful, and then was also in the League office as well as one of their higher up executives, very interesting person. He'll join us on Monday, Kenny. Smith will be here on Tuesday to talk a little basketball baseball with Aubrey huff. And also I see Herm, Edwards will drop by next week as well so we try to give you a pretty good reason to join us here. On America's sports talk show I saw an interesting story about the corona virus. There seems to be a lot of them out there, but the NFL players association is reportedly pushing for a total elimination of twenty twenty preseason games as well as potential. OPT out scenario for players in. In the regular season in part, because players themselves could be at higher risk for Corona Virus, one head coach would likely agree with an extra precaution, and that is the Tampa. Bay buccaneer coach Bruce Arians, because he, saying he expects, expects every single player to get sick during the two thousand and twenty season. He says we've got to be careful the players. They're all going to get sick. That's for sure it's just a matter. Matter of how sick they get, and of course this comes on the heels of an NFL network report that the lake plans to test not only players, but also their families and cohabitants for cove in nineteen of training camp, which is still scheduled to start later this month, so we'll keep an eye on that. We're going to kick things off as we always do on a Friday with Roy Eisenhart boy. Do we have a? A lot to talk about and get his perspective. It's a segment. We call inside angle. He's been a lawyer former president of the Oakland A.'s and now teaches lawn sports at UC Berkeley right after that I don't know whether you know it or not. It's the one hundredth anniversary of Negro League Baseball and we're going to be talking to former. 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And now he teaches law and sports at UC Berkeley and the University of San Francisco and each week he joins us to take a look at some of the interesting stories in sports. As we drill down a little bit deeper perspective in a segment, we call inside angle well I've got about three four sheets here. Of things that we can talk about, I don't remember Roy at time. That has had so much turbulence and Change. Do You well? It's interesting. Is and there's no sports being played yeah? So What would it be like it? We're actually playing some sport. One of the stories breaking and you and I anticipated this. Because of what's been happening with the corona virus. The NCW Basketball Tournament did not come off. And of course there's some question about college football as well and one of the major universities in the country Stanford. University announced this week that they've cut eleven of its thirty six athletic teams now that's a lot of athletic teams at a university or college, but I think it's a poor tent of what's going to happen with college athletics. How do you see it i? See it the same way. I don't think we can blame not just on. Think this train was coming down the track anyway, because as the cost of higher education go up as a people's incomes. We're going down. The schools were already having to take a look at whether they weren't. They had too many sports in their inventory and. Thirty six is a very big number I i. don't know the exact minimum number, but I think it's something twenty or twenty two. The NCWA requires so Stanford was notorious for its. spread on sport. So I think this is something that would have happened anyway, but was accelerated by code. Also I see the Ivy League has announced that they are not going to have their fall sports schedule across the entire Ivy League. These expect that we might was spur smaller teams or mid level teams that we might see more announcements like this. I think their first conference to look in the mirror and say. What is the reality of all of this? You know the Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who was the first one of all well I think what we see is that it's GonNa. Be Really hard for the colleges to figure out how to isolate the student athletes, because it's not just football if you bring everybody back all the other false sports and What you do, if you get a one student has an APP outbreak, and what if to where's the critical mass? Where you say Oh, and then you know we have to think about pity athletics that it's not just. Eighteen twenty twenty two year, old individuals playing sports, we have the coaches tend to be older. We have the trainers. We have that equipment managers. We have the groundskeeper I. You have all the ancillary administrative people, and then they have to travel so. The notion of it, just being some athletes that we can put in a bubble and keeps them safe for. Eight or ten or twelve weeks I think is is naive and I I'm afraid to say this I. Don't want to say this, but I think the Ivy League is just the first I to roll the dice and come up with a decision that they're gonNA suspend the season, and let's take a look at the bigger picture. I mean when we take a look at college athletics. Are they going to be able to understand how they have to change and be? Be Able to apply that because I mean they've been doing it the same way for a long time. And I say that because less than five years into a two hundred and eighty million dollar deal with UCLA under armor is trying to get out. They informed the school that it wants to terminate the fifteen year two hundred eighty million dollar deal which set an NCWA record for the largest in history when they signed it only to sixteen two thousand sixteen. And what they say is that under armor? The Apparel Company believes UCLA has failed to provide marketing benefits that we agreed upon. Reportedly Ucla. Thirteen million up front and agreed to eleven million dollar each year and rights and marketing fees. The problem has been that they. They really haven't done anything in football, and they haven't been to the NC Double A. Tournament for a couple years as well so you put all of this together the companies that have been giving them money and also the problems that exist with just the economics of sports athletics. What are we looking at here? Who are we got a lot of issues bundled in here? In one big one You know it's been a couple of years. We've been doing this program. And from the very outset we talked about. When is golden? Goose GonNa stop just. Rank more and more eggs for college football to keep spending more and more money on building new gymnasiums, and you know having a uniform. The uniform does your for their football team, and so forth a lot of what seem to us to be excess and now with Kovic what we're seeing is the reversal of that trend and companies like underarm. We're taking a look at the economics of sponsorship of of College football or college. College athletics generally and deciding that they're not getting a bang for their buck. I am I not to sympathetic with under armour in this case, because when you go into sports advertising after recognize that is a very fickle unpredictable environment, and you can sign a long term contract with the school and yeah, they can have some bad years like UCLA head, but then they can have some years as exceed expectations and I think what sports advertisers by. Billboard In Center field for ten or fifteen years or put their naming rights on stadium. They're going to have to take the good with the bad so I'm not sure I. Am Very sympathetic with under our but nonetheless what the what it shows is that there is a a. Developing cold feet, I think on a part of what a close second level people. That TV sponsors the product. And management sponsors and the the other people who derivative -ly make money by affiliating themselves with sports. There's coal st developing now about whether this is going to continue to be a the worth the investment they they overpaid, and they know they overpaid, and they WANNA THEY WANNA change their mind on that but they the larger symptom that we're looking at here is for the first time I can remember longtime doubt as to whether college athletics, and maybe professional is right behind. It is a good investment for sponsors and advertisers, and eventually maybe even TV. TV stations we have about two and a half minutes before we have to break here. And of course, your expertise is sports and law, so this question really applies to something that you know about, and that is the NFL although the NFL's car, trying to keep the fan experience as normal as possible, they are going to reportedly consider the possibility of having fans Sinek Corona virus liability waiver that they would be allowed to tend to game and apparently sign this and the same thing would apply to college I. Would seem as well what what are the issues here? This is a very interesting. Kind of question you usually studying first year contracts about whether waivers like this contained documents at a good example is when you go into a parking lot, you never read your parking stub right, but it says on there, not responsible for any harm or loss or damage to your car, and there's a lot of times that people have tested that and the general question is whether it's so it's an older, reaching or unconscionable kind of provision that it it may not be enforceable, and I think that same principle is going to apply here. Sure that's the. NFL CAN help people sign waivers uncovers liability, but if they had to go to court on him, I think that there would be a fifty fifty chance at best that they'd actually be able to. Use that waiver as a bar for because there's always a way to plead around the fact that the NFL didn't check people coming in well enough they they didn't check their ushers, or whatever the biggest barrier, actually for coded clams against the NFL isn't GonNa be proving an NFL game? I mean somebody comes down with code. You may be able to figure out where you got it, but not necessarily so I think the NFL does what it has to do, but the your specific question. How enforceable are they? Very kind of little. And in about forty five seconds I can't see the colleges doing anything but doing that as well correct in that up so they. Don't have all the players signed waivers. If they have fans that the game I don't know, but then A. have to realize that It's not going to. Be Very good public relations there, a bunch of their players get covert, and they say sorry. That's not our problem, so you have to also consider the the fairness, the morality and public relations of the 'cause they're gonNA. Put young men out there to earn a lot of money for them playing football on television than they should have some liability for that developing the contagious disease that very likely and That's kind of going to be the way I think the courts and the juries are going to look at it. Interesting Conversation with Roy Eisenhart. He teaches sports law UC. And, also the University of San Francisco. We continue across the country and around the world. Nice to have you with us as we continue on America's sports. Talk Network Sports byline. Have you written a book? You can become a published author with Dorrance publishing the nation's oldest publishing services company. 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Of what we just talked about the NFL is trying to figure out what their stadium capacity should be for the upcoming season, and if the Baltimore Ravens certainly are any indication starting to look like the NFL. Stadiums are going to be mostly empty this year. Raven say that the capacity of MNT Bank stadium will be set at fourteen thousand, which is eighty one percent. Cut from the stadiums normal capacity of roughly seventy one thousand. Now there's always a chance of course at the fans won't be allowed to attend any ravens games at all, but that decision hasn't been made yet. And the chiefs and the packers and other ones are deciding about their capacity. and. It's going to be by a team. Two team basis so apparently the league will not make that decision, but each team will make that decision and Roy when you look at this. How does that dynamic about either having a smaller crowd or having no crowded all factor into the operation of a pro sports franchise? Because almost every team sports is faced with the same thing right now before I, get to that question, let's also divided into two kinds of teams were. Outdoors those who play indoors because most of the doctors I hear or read say that the contagious nature there's virus is like ten times greater in an indoor environment in an outdoor environment. That's why they're not allowing indoor restaurants, but they will allow outdoor restaurants for example so I think for teams play outdoors They're going to be able to be a little more liberal with their policy of allowing fans, and then those who are has dean entirely contained. Don't stadiums Obviously. The biggest source of revenue in the NFL is television so that terrifically not having anybody in the stance doesn't affect television ratings whether that's true or not. I'm not sure but. It's assumed that however what are the next biggest sources is attendance revenue and this of course decimates attendance revenue. I don't think you can charge Japan full fare for making that person. Sit you know six seats away from somebody up in the top of the third deck because that's the only place where they can socially distant so i. think there's going to be a discount so the ticket prices you don't WanNa, be bunched a luxury box with ten twenty people having a good party watching the game on television, so the luxury box revenue starts to a road and I think that the. NFL is basically we're trying to sell you. A T shirt saying I watched a game during the Cova epidemic, and the other revenue is going to be as television revenues from there already existing contracts, so it's GonNa be a big hit, but Not, playing at all. Well. Let's talk about another issue and again you can keep your lawyer hat on for this one. While the League is hoping to have a twenty twenty season, the NFL is preparing for the possibility of having no fans in attendance during the game that would result in a significant loss of revenue, as you pointed out and with the projected start of training camp three weeks away. The League is already looking at ways to save money and the NFL PA. Informed its Board of Representatives at. At the NFL proposed thirty five percent of players, salaries be held in escrow to help manage costs during the two thousand twenty season, one of the league's more prominent players quickly responded to that report Michael Thomas of the New Orleans Saints. He's an all pro receiver, said that players would sit out before they would agree to the NFL's reported proposal. I got an email asking that you kind of explain this situation. What what are we talking about here? Well, that's a good question First of all I put my lawyer out on. I gotta say it doesn't fit anymore because my hair grown so. Guys can't get a haircut, but I I think it's. Kind of weird to ask players to forfeit part of their salary because of the unpredictability of the playing games. There may be a rationale that's going over my head, but the players actually are once. We're taking more risk by playing during the cold it'd be. Targeted socially distance when you're an offensive lineman right. Be Mateen inches away from the other guy and that's that's the way it is. That's the way you play the game, so I would think they'd get a thirty five percent bonus for playing the Games, not a thirty five percent reserved for some expenses. There's knows what they're going to be, but there may be a method to the madness of the proposal just goes over my head. Let's talk a little bit more in the NFL lot of news. Being made by the Washington redskins the pressure. They were put under to change the name. We have talked about this. Over the years as well and nothing really had motivated them to make any type of nickname change, but finally it was money that made the difference here and Why did it take so long? Do you think I mean I? Understand the power of money. What was your read on on what happened here? Well it this actually could be the topic of two our program because history seriously 'cause the history of the efforts to get the Redskins to change their name. Is Quite extensive and very interesting fact he only a couple years ago. The court had upheld the the removal of the registration of their trademark based on the fact that it was offensive to native Americans as well as two other people as well, but then another Supreme Court came K. case came along. That made the the theory of that case on the Redskins Go Away so the Redskins smugly went back and saying okay we. We ever registered trademark again. What's changed it? Now I think. Is The climate worrying We've become much more sensitive I think to. The injustices our past history in our country, and that includes an injustice to native Americans and so the reason I haven't changed it up till now was basically stubbornness. Not You know the owner of the Redskins didn't want to change it, and he didn't care what people thought they made they didn't go to. redskins games anyway so now. He's getting leverage to be by the fact that he wants a new stadium, and and some of the advertisers and sponsors and the name be changed so I, think it's basically as you described. It comes down to an economic incentive, but there had been a lot of stubbornness and bull headed. On the part of that Organization for a long time, including a lot of court battle over whether the name was offensive enough to be disallowed as a trademark. It's very interesting story, and it was a really complete storm that came about with what's happening in this country from a social standpoint, and then the covert virus and everything else I can understand that and let me ask you a question. If you were the owner of a say, a football team and an aging came in and asked you for a half a billion dollars for. For player besides clutching your chest. I'd say I take pay pal if you. Wouldn't be much of a challenge. Yeah, well, the reason I say that with the Patrick Mahomes deal. I never thought I'd see a day in which an athlete would request or their agent would ask for half a billion dollars, but I suppose again if you break it down, that's a ten year contract fifty million dollars over each year I. Guess you can see it as making sense with a guy that was a super bowl MVP, and did as much as he's done. In the first two years again. We've talked about players being entertainers and It happens in every profession. That's an entertainment profession, doesn't it? Yeah, I think we tend. To Think these numbers. These players are paid are are bigger than they are. First of all one has to look at the fact that is paid over a period of here so you discount that amount, secondly, how much of it is guaranteed I? Honestly don't know in Mahomes case, but rarely is all ten years guaranteed in football often is in baseball, but not in football, so if he gets injured gets released, and maybe he doesn't get paid that money, and then we have to look at the revenue side of the NFL. Money do they get in sixteen billion dollar? It spread across thirty teams. That's pretty good. Guess thirty teams. That's a pretty good chunk of revenue. So that's what Patrick Mahomes is earning. You know people aren't paying to watch. The owners sitting there. Boxes are getting paid to watch. The players play the game, so I'm all in favor of my distribution at significant bunch of that revenue to the players. If you and I didn't pay, so weren't willing to pay so much for tickets for cable TV subscriptions and buying our our new. CAP THAT WE WANNA get for ourselves this year, and so forth if that market went away, then the revenues would go down and players salaries would get down accordingly, but as long as fans are willing to pay the retail plus a twenty percent markup that we seem to pay for lodging sports. That's the way the. Economics are GONNA work. Okay, thanks a lot. We'll talk to you next week. Roy Right? Thanks Inside Angle with Roy Eisenhart? We continue on sports byline. Between judge, retiring or just need health life insurance, please visit. My health quotes DOT COM or call eight, three, three, six, eight, seven, fifty to sixty one before you try to get a quote online, call us. We will provide you with the information. Most sites will not we teach you exactly what life or health insurance plan you qualify for how to use your plan and maximize your benefits. 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Tell me a little bit about that town where he just small town you pay through it You didn't mind if you watch out. It was It was a town of maybe three or four store and post office his. Stuff like that. You had a school that was right across from the Church that had a nice field sitting behind it, and he played a lot of baseball there. Didn't you Y- played We played. They're growing up in. Some I'd say like a ten year ago though we. Within school. We played on this. Ain't the played on the deal and we got A. Grown in have to. Get. To play Sam Abell was the connection between churches and baseball, because I've seen other places where there were churches, and behind them were baseball fields and everything and in the black culture. What was that connection about? And Reema bottom that leading You know my parents. My Grandmother and that thought he was a C., if baseball on Sunday and so we didn't play on Sunday. leave of play on Sarah Today in St at the Sun. But it was like up in the of the way up into followed his before we decide laying. Sunday because that was something that. They think you should go to. Church on. Sunday wasn't no baseball back year in Alabama at. One of the things that I know that in the black family. The mother was so very important that certainly was the case with you. And you said you had some very meaningful conversations with your mother. She passed away when you were only twelve, but you also send leaving you with what you believe was all you needed to make it in life and you? You're the man you are today. As a result of her love for you. Was it that she taught you? She told me to act a young man. The young man and Have respect for own thing instead of like that. She was kind lady in and I. DO I wouldn't Aveer long before she passed away, but. I don't think I would like. In ten eleven years though but I know meaning and. When our traveling around with Detroit Star Baseball team and When you get kinda cloudy and everything that you know my. I always think if her a lot, you know. Can hold off when she hey. I understand yet your heroes as you were growing up or Willie mays Larry Doby Roy. Campanella Lou Brock Luke Easter and Hank Aaron. Tell me about what you saw in those players. What made them distinctive to you? Jacket Robinson D would be I did play in. And then Dean Lou Brock He was a based. At. And whatever Dobie he he was a home, run, hitter and And with him as he was is say hey from Alabama, this hundred Maslum me. All of them are very special baseball players. What was it that they all did that? Made them so special Eugene. You know! You know he could make some. He made some there some outstanding catching. You know. His head gets that that you never seen that around here. They were own Eggers road and he was a. you know all around. I know the first team you played for back in nineteen fifty two is the Moore's Mill Red Sox You're a pitcher at that time. How old were you when you started pitching in the Negro? Right Seventeen when I side with Mindy Grow League, but I would like when I play the movie like. Thirteen some like. When you signed with the Negro League A. What was that league like at that particular time? where it was, you know how he used to play, maybe wants to leak, but when I got to where. Date. He was a whole lot different. baseball had come into grown van game and you know I, would just. You know it was You had haw. You have some heavy hitters on them team that that time you know. Jet, Lacquer. Herman Greens one so. And you had people of I can't think of the name right now. Because I'm getting up in age. My. You know I'm just like about him eighty though. By the end of nineteen, fifty seven, you were traveling in pitching with the Detroit, stars and the Kansas City monarchs. Tell me what the experience was like for an African American even though you were an athlete. What was it like for you? guest driving all over the country. And you know at that time you know, do after STU. You know that you know we may make up a gay game you know with the people. They knew aaliyah, and so you know if They speed of being on the bus. There you know It may made me think back at home. You know in some places they way travel like Japan know. Cotton fields had feel in Alabama and here and. And I can recall town. We were that the we was. In you know talk. About the. the There's the seven thousand eight Great Lakes and everything in, and then you know that made me think about them. When I was around the lakes and stuff, and it made me think about the. I can think of the name in Virginia or. Grab the slaves you know abroad in right and I on the ground terminal and all this stuff you know. Got You into see and he was. You know it was a great lesson. You know that Sometimes I call it a line more traveling around in that. What did you have to deal with? Like other blacks at that time as far as the country 'cause I know you have talked about the struggles and the hardships as most African Americans had to endure at that time. What time type did you have to deal with? You know sometime and. s in some some place. Where you would be I know one time you know that and that they had passed us that You know colorful. Listed in. The seats and stuff like that you know, and of course. I didn't pay much. Attention because they had you know Li was all the time you know. looking at thing like that. Anyway and so we A. Big Deal you know. Get some did we that was seen. In you know people call yet. Or something like that, but other than that. You know you've things all right, so we know he wasn't do anything that. Leads lead into J. of play. Let me ask you about a particular game. It was your first Negro League game with the Detroit Stars. You were only seventeen at that time you were warming up and what happened with the umpire. What did you do when you were warming up? I! Thought that was You know. Trying to be careful on pie was standing Ryan and so when. I was long enough for the game getting ready for the game, and and we another that hit on tie in. And came out and knocking out. Knocking him cold cucumber. We've kind of got him together, but he went. Five the game, but you know how. Long. Let me ask you about another game? You played against the Kansas. City monarchs and one of the are Knox. Players was Bob Wilson and he was really looking forward to playing this particular game. Yeah, tell me about that game. But but we'll lose he lives in California now so I was told that goes. I haven't seen him since the days in baseball, but just fatigue aimed at. We were playing in Grand Rabbit. Bob. come up to bed at three ten and. So each time above. And, he comeback until me They say you know what I'm saying. He's actually. I tried all I could hit that dollar, okay but dads. SCREWBALL! Hand? And of course he was being scouted that day for the major leagues was not and you won over three. You struck him out three times. Yeah, he was, he was here, skywalker. Stand even. Maybe this why that he asked him out. You know kind of. Kind of the you know some day watching these. But I. have. Tell me a little bit about the passion of Baseball by African Americans were. Does that emanate from? Why was that sport so important to them to play also to be a part of way you know back then you know football and basketball, and and and sock and hockey, and all kinds of you know when you hear about that. some of US around around here. But basketball we play scuba. But baseball lousy, you know everybody did year play base- baseball because Jagger out in the first. Black to play in. Are they in time and he And, he said the Yes. on the player. They would guy interested in baseball. Tell me a little bit about some of the other players in the Negro League when you were playing against them. Is there a particular moment during your career in the Negro League that you will always remember? yeah I was already I was always on Herman Green I, remember him in in our magnetic willingly were on the free zone the team. He passed away Sometime in November I believe. And and he is. Play as data that I know rea- wail, and and they we alone just like brothers would be you know in your thing. What was that one particular moment in your career that you'll never forget well i. Forget that bog. Listen and thinking. About gave out. Listen you know the ten. Stroke Bob at three ten. I thought we look. Here that the rest of my life. How did African American fans reacted the Negro League baseball, the brand of it and the stars that they had I mean I always in everything I've read and everything I've seen I. always felt that they felt like Negro League baseball was their very own way i. you know evacuated date. Is that back in the days of people will always come to. Leech urging come to the ball game, they have the hats and and they suits and. Had where it will vote in dressed and they come out to the game and you think you the A baptism somewhere. But but it was. You know that's the type of. The visa care back in you go to the game in the shirking. Come to call. How how did how did kids look upon the Negro League baseball players that they look upon them as heroes I. Yeah, the I think the I think in the too much i. think you wrote to someone they I used to tell the Molten Eddie investor. Let. You Mother, Your Dad. It'd be your hero a hero because to. He's a day in Gondomar. Yeah, that's a very good point and also I have to ask you about one thing before I let you go after baseball. You became a mortician now. How does one go from being a baseball player to being mortician? Tell you? We have a missing missing neon. He's runs if you'll on Cherry, street and hospital. And he was so can at the time when my mother KS away. and. growed up in downtown, so my country. that. I used to go you and sit and talk all attorney. and. He found out somewhere another. That was pretty good. Ball a you things you want. Talk to raise beer to give me a changes in baseball. And so I got my chance to baseball, and after I come home each year with all, we go through to moment work. Again Atlanta being motivation. Well I, WANNA. Thank you for your time talking about your life talking about your career and I gotTa. Tell you I have so much respect for you. On the other Negro League Baseball, players I'm glad we've been captured this part of sports in baseball history take care of Eugene. Eugene scruggs with US former Negro League pitcher and he played for a number of great teams in the Negro League Detroit. Stars Kansas. City monarchs and the Birmingham Barons. We continue on Sports Pylon. You have a story to share your story lifetime. Private Autobiography Services can help. We will interview by video or phone to get your memories in your words using your pictures. Are. Staff of talented writers will then recreate your story into a beautifully handcrafted book. You'll receive ten individual copies for friends and family to enjoy for generations to come. visit, private autobiography dot. com to schedule. A free consultation mentioned this ad for a bonus audio recording from your personal interviews. To get started visit private autobiography, DOT COM or call eight, four, four, nine, two, one, twenty, eight. Oh, two! 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And here's host Ron. And Glad you could join us for another hour of this edition of Sports byline. Sit here in San. Francisco. That's the home base for the network and I came down here in Nineteen, seventy, seven from Seattle, where I was on television, doing sports up there. and. I've loved being here for a lot of different reasons. I met a lot of people on the local teams professional in college that have become friends in one of those is going to spend the hour with us. It's Dave, Righetti. He pitched in the majors for sixteen years notably with the Yankees for twelve of those sixteen, he was the first player in history to both pitch, a no hitter and also lead the League in saves in his career. He was both a starting pitcher, and a closer and two times. He was named the American League Relief Pitcher of the year after he. He retired, he became a very successful pitching coach with the giants, and was instrumental, really in the giants, three World Series Championships in five years, and he began his career as a starting pitcher, but then the Yankees converted him into a relief pitcher, using him as their closer back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, and it was this the lights out. Out when he came out of the bullpen grew up in San Jose California right down the road from San Francisco. His Father Leo was a pro baseball player. As well. His brother Steve is thirteen months older than Dave and Leo trained his sons to become baseball players while he was in high school Paddy Cottrell Scout for the Texas Rangers suggested he become a pitcher junior college. He was named junior college player of the year beating out teammate Dade Steve and the Rangers selected Steve in the six round, and told Dave that they would only sign Steve if he signed both Righetti brothers signed with the Rangers and in the Minor Leagues in a game against the midland. Rock Hounds. Listen to this Righetti. A League record twenty one strikeouts, and then he made his major league debut with the Yankees on September Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-nine against the Detroit Tigers pitched five innings, and as I pointed out to you. After his career ended as a player, he became a pitching coach for the San Francisco giants, and during his time as the coach, they won three World Series Championships, and I have said before that It's an honor because I grew up in Washington DC, or at least I was born there and spend some time along the way in Washington DC and to. That my interviews are in the library. Of Congress just makes me shake my head so if you go to. 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Francisco giants both as a Pitcher, but also as a very successful pitching coach, and he pitched in the majors for sixteen years most notably with the Yankees for twelve seasons, he was the first player in history to both pitch, a no hitter, and also lead the League in saves in his career. He was both a starting pitcher, and a closer and two times was named the Al Relief Pitcher of the year, and after he retired, he became a very successful pitching coach with the giants, and was instrumental in the giants three world. World Series championships and five years and Dave began his career as a starting pitcher, but then the Yankees converted him into a relief pitcher, using him as a closer beginning in nineteen eighty-four. Let's go back to where it began Dave back to San Jose California where you grew up, your Dad Leo was a professional baseball player your brother. Steve is thirteen months older than you and Leo Trains. You both to become baseball players. Tell me about growing up in the family. You know growing up. I, think I don't know if it was typical, but we grew up in California so the times were different in the sixties. You know there's a lot going on. It wasn't boring. But you know we? We grew up in the World Glen area of San, Jose and You know to me it was just you know. We live from sport to sport to be quite honest You know the house was. We didn't know my dad really actually played baseball. And then. As I got older because he didn't have anything around. You. Know Trophies or anything like that I didn't really know. You know ended up finding out. He played fourteen years and but I know miss a truck driver and a bowler and he played some golf and my mom and him would. You know they would You. Know would bowl twice a week and they play some golf here and there and different things, so we were kind of active family, so the little league in Kinda. Just you know was perfect. You know, go to literally life. By the time we were seven all the way until they call the big league back then after senior leagues, so you're like sixteen or seventeen, and so it was just a natural thing, but. That was back then and then all the craziness of the late sixties Changed a lot of things, but it was an interesting time, and it was a great time to grow up. I. Think you're Dan. Trains you both to become baseball players. How did he do that? By by not training us. Let us do it on our own. didn't know this at the time, but he never coached a little league when we were young. we, we learn by playing with older players on our street and in our blocks, and of course had an older brother, so he had friends, my guest, probably a little bit older and eventually. If you're good enough, you can play with them. I think that's a gradual thing that that works. He ended up getting better because. You just want to be you know be able to play as good as your brother and his friends, so there's a lot of peer pressure stuff, but he didn't coach us until we got, they called senior. League is What thirteen to fifteen? And again, he didn't coach me. Actually coach my brother. And then. Eventually he did play for them, but When it came to me and my my game, he left me alone. Really 'cause I pitched a little bit I was left hand in play per space but I think my brother felt as his brunt, being an ex shortstop and infielder. My brother played the Infield I think he was. Probably had more dealings with him with that, but you don't. My Dad was never liked that. We go bowling and. golf same thing. He always let us do our thing. He never made fun of us. You never said we had to do this or that. It was never I never felt any pressure on my only pressure was trying to live up to what I thought he might think was good. You know but Like I said I, think he. He taught us by by not teaching US something that was instrumental in your life. In the early going was paddy cottrell. He was scattered scout for the Texas Rangers and he suggested that you become pitcher telling that story. Well, I think. Yeah I think. Most of these stories went to my. He was my dad's quartermaster in the navy or in this. Excuse me in the coastguard. when my dad was stationed at Alameda Air Force, or Naval Academy I'm I'm not positive over there and Oakland nineteen, forty four and. So that's where they started, they met. But Years Later Patty was coaching Santa Clara Baseball University of Santa Clara and then he became a scout for the phillies and then the Texas Rangers, but You know it was pretty easy. I was skinny I couldn't run I. Run long distance, but I wasn't fast and great arm and I had no power. Was Pretty easy to go. Kids should be pitching. You know so. That didn't take long. I hit two fifty or something in high school, so I wasn't a enter I can make contact, but I wasn't gonNA. I wasn't GonNa play even college baseball, but you know I went to. San Jose City College to become a draftsman and I wanted to be A. An architect and I wanted to be able to at least see how far I could go with that. And I went to learn some business skills and I kept I decided to try out for the baseball team anyway and. Because I did it that summer are yeah. That's summer before school started I, know then the Patty and In the late Bob Patio Costa bellarmine highschool was a great Baseball Person In my Dad's coaching high school. They are all in together. Basically agreeing that I should probably try to pitch and. So ended up doing it and. I think within three months or so I was being drafted. And I understand I understand. Dave, the Rangers selected you are in excuse me I understand that the Rangers selected Stephen in the six round and told you that they would only sign Steve if you signed as well. Did I. Tell You that story wants to four. Yeah that's true. That's actually true and right to my face and. My father didn't like that too much. I can't tell you I'm on the air. What he patty but. He basically told me to take care of myself. Don't worry about your brother. But. I started thinking about it and I'm. And I knew I wasn't getting rich either way back then. I was number one picking the January draft, not the summer draft. And The money was going to be twenty thousand. Maybe maybe thirty five. If I got lucky. So. My Dad said listen. You're not gonna get rich doing this. If you WANNA play pro ball. Get it out of your system. You might as well go now. That kind of thing and And still I was still thinking about college, but. Back my mind I'm thinking about my brother also. And You know eventually did it and he ended up. Signing two, but that's a crappy thing to tell you tell you I'm trying to your brother, wasn't it? But you know what work they got signed and so but I never forgot that Kinda. I'm glad he got his chance. And I'm not sure if he would have. That didn't happen but You know I've worked out fine in the minors in a game against Midland rock hounds. You recorded a lake high record twenty one strikeouts briefly. Tell me that game and what the feeling was like. Gosh? It was hot. It was July. Middle of July in. Tulsa, Oklahoma Day Games. And All I know is You. Know I was getting the strike outs of course, but I wasn't sure. You know how many I had. No I had a bunch, but we're trying to win a ballgame and back then, of course, we were taking about how deep to go in the game and. Turns out two hundred forty pitches or something. I don't know what it was, but. You Know God. Bless know. Would they ever do it again? No, but. You know it's funny, I? I didn't get the win in that game. We had a couple sun balls, and we had some mistakes and we ended up losing. and. I think I. Least Smith was on that team for Midland my fellow coach with the. Giants for the last fifteen years Billy Hayes was a Catcher Jim Tracy was on that team. I think Kid, by name Siebert was playing serves St. macos playing second base. Joe Makarova's the. CLUBHOUSE guy with the Texas Rangers. That was his son so there was you know Salata Tyson that game. It's funny Randy Velarde. His Dad was actually the ground crew guy there in midland just to. Tell you a quick tidbit with that, but you know what it was a neat day. The funny thing was that turned out to be a light changed because the Texas Rangers. Course kind of woke up and said. WHO's this guy? But I got myself traded to the Yankees because of that game because Jerry Walker Scout from Ada Oklahoma and a Yankee scout just happened to be in town, and he went to the ballgame and he saw the game. And the next thing you know I was put into a huge trays trade with the Yankees. And it was because of that ball game you know and So again my life, my baseball life certainly changed after that. Gave, Righetti is with us. When we come back on the other side. We're going to talk about his major league. Debut with the Yankees came on September. The sixteenth, nine, hundred, seventy nine, it was against the Detroit tigers he pitched five innings, and we'll also tell you about a comment that Yankee manager Billy Martin made about him. You talk about putting pressure on a young pitcher. Billy's comments certainly did do that. We do that as we continue across the country and around the world. We've got you on sports byline. Have you written a book. You can become a published author with Dorrance publishing the nation's oldest publishing services company. Countless authors have trusted dorrance for nearly a hundred years to bring their book to the market are professional team. 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We just one the night before in Columbus The AAA championship back then it was called the Governor's Cup and George Steinbrenner flu myself. Let's see Mike Griffin, and I think Young player Pitcher by name Bob Camera and myself and Rick Anderson we're all young guys and he flew us overnight at the end of that night. Game in Columbus and We all the way all night to New York and got in of course we had. I never drank champagne or anything like that before, but I did that night a little bit, and got to the ball park the next day about nine am and wondering what the Heck I was GonNa do and. you know hardly any sleep and. Slightly a little bit. Then Art Fowler came up to me and said Hey. Billy wants to see in the office. And I said Oh. Christ so I went and settled low, and billy we had a lot of ties, 'cause my dad, and all his Co. sleek league days and billy knew about me. And He said PLO nice to meet you, but you're GONNA start today. And I said Oh my God. Yeah, Sure Billy, whatever you want, you know, so. I ended up starting and I wouldn't feel it that great and in fact when I was going to go out on the field. to go to the bullpen I remember Reggie said something to me and Reggie Jackson. He said man. You Look Pale. You know you don't look so good and I said well. You know nervous. I, game and all. And I finally went out there in the got the pitch and of course. As a little Bit Wild Act, actually it's probably the most walks ever had the big league game I? Think it walked five guys, but. Billy did say something like hey did fine. Blah Blah Blah. You know we'll let him pitch again and. But you know that was. That was a really exciting time that was against the Detroit Tigers and. I face on the floor. The he was the first batter, flat face, but Yeah so that was. It was really neat to be able to do that obviously well after you made your second start, billy Martin declared Dave Righetti. Twenty Games next season. Up. You know he was never shy about that. You know on the other I was funny because he became A. Huge part of my pitching live because he believed in me as a starting pitcher, so any time I went to the bullpen after that and billy came back three four times as a manager, there was always just wondering whether wondering whether he was GonNa have me start or relieved for how he was gonNA. Use Me, and he always believed I never should have went down there so. You know there's always a little bit of an odd situation within the organization I always felt pulled it at different ends between the coaches and the up. You know the front office and things like that, but. Yet Billy did that, but you know what I was used to it the year before our rose and told me I was going to be the next Ron Guidry. And gator just twenty five games. Guy Could. Can I just start a game you know. You know that I can't I came with that? Kind of notoriety and So back then, that was a big deal. You know there wasn't much of that so that you know. I had to carry a little bit different weight on my shoulders, but I had to accept. Find a way to. Start, my career, and maybe you can help me with this. You were recalled as you went down to Columbus in May of Nineteen eighty-one, and you were assigned the uniform number number nineteen, and what I never understood was the Yankees reserve numbers ending in nine for their pitchers. Dictator wore nineteen for the Yankees Catfish Number, twenty nine Ron Davis. Number thirty, nine and Gigiri wore number forty nine. What's the story behind that? I'm not sure I'm sure that some peach peach e he must have been. Behind that people had been there talking since the twenties he had Babe Ruth. And him pass away till he was. Let's see till nineteen, eighty five so and I know impede, or whatever reason was one of his favorites. I think I didn't know that of course, but he did. He saved that number for me. generally when you get caught the Yankees as a pitcher or even a player. I should say fifty six was like a common number that everybody got it. They got called up. player you. Caisley got a lower number, but fifty six is pretty normal. You know it's like manningly was forty six. I think something like that, but. you know I? Wanted thirty nine. I you know once, but Ron Davis had such a great year in eighty. He ended up taking it. And I when I came back, I said I'll take whatever they give me, but yeah. My first number was fifty six and then The next spring Chee said I'm saving his number for you. and. Yeah, I always felt good about it because nettles was on my left. In my lock in the Locker Room and he wore number nine and good rivas on my right, and he had the course forty nine, so I said you know. Maybe it's a good luck thing. I gotTA ride this. So, what was your first world series? Experience like an eighty one because you help the team, get to the world series, and then of course. The Yankees lost to the dodgers in that world series. It was. The it was polar polar opposites. We got there. I had won three playoff games out of the six that we won, and we ended up back then there was the eighty one strike, so they they did something different. They had a A Division playoff, I the best two out of three and then. The Ace Let's see the next round against You Know Oakland was actually the. was three out of five two so We were fortunate enough to Windows and I want three of those games and to Mrs Starter came out of the bullpen for the last one in game five against Milwaukee. And then I'm trying to think, but you know sound pretty good. High felt great. We're up two games, none and I. WE WENT to La to face the dodgers, and of course that was. the first time ever I think that two rookies faced each other in a world series myself and Valenzuela. and. I didn't pitch. Good I. I got hit right away at two men on in the first inning, and I almost got out of it I got a couple of outs, and then ron say at a three run homer. The second home run I gave up the whole year, but so we got behind, but when I left, we had four to three, but I didn't pitch good. Ron and then Steinbrenner who I never pitched again. So I went from feeling really gonNA. Be In a part of it. I never got on. You know never got a chance again and we lost six games. And I was lined up to pitch game seven, but. It never happened and Georgetown. Forget about it for a while. He sent me back down at the Meyer Lake Yeah. Let's talk about moving ahead. A couple of years because one of the high moments in your career came on July Fourth Nineteen eighty-three. You threw a no hitter against the Red Sox a Yankee stadium the first. Yankee. No hitter since Don Larsen's perfect game and fifty six in the world series, and the first by a Yankee left Anderson's nineteen seventeen. It was also the first time ever that a no hitter occurred during a Yankees red, sox rivalry game and I loved your quote. Biggest worry because I had a tendency to fall toward third base, was bogs, tapping a ball between me and manningly and me trying to get the first base through a lot of fastballs during that at bat, but the last slider ended up throwing. He happened to miss it. Thank God. That's true I mean. It went through my mind. There's not a lot. There wasn't on TV, but it was on. It was the first year. They had sports channel in Manhattan I guess, and so they do have a tape of it. which was neat right? Because Mel Allen was his last big call. You know that was his last year. So that was Kinda. Cool for me to be able to have MEL Allen Call my no hitter. And Yeah when I when we got the second out, I halfway covered second was a ground ball second jerry. Rim hit a grounder Andre Robertson. and. When he threw them out I was halfway between as I was going back to the mound I started loosening my legs up. I was doing knee bends. Everybody goes. You were nervous. I said Hell I wasn't nervous. I want I I knew I had a I had a race coming up down to first base. And I sure as heck dot. He was gonNA. You know 'cause I was determined to throw him in. which you know, make him a pull hitter. Anything out over the plate. Boggs was gonNA shoot me to laughter line. Drive right through the box. Something like that. I wasn't going to throw the ball by him. And so I had a feeling that if I did throw that breaking ball and got a down that he might roll it over, and I was going to be in one of those foot races. We only have about a minute left, and I'm just wondering in that period of time. What is the elation? The feeling that pitcher has when he's done something significant. Riding I'll tell you the truth. There was if you can put yourself in my position. If exhilaration I was tired, I almost looked like I. If you look at me, I was almost relieved. I had so much pressure I mean as a young kid and young player. That I felt like. I don't know it was weird. Even after the game after I won the game and we to I was almost embarrassed by it because now I had. You know I wanted to be part of the team and just helped the team win. I DIDN'T WANNA. Be stick out in any way, and but there was no that was. That didn't happen. Hold on just a second Dave. We've got Dave Righetti with US pitched in the majors for sixteen years most notably with the Yankees for twelve seasons, of course he was the first player in history to both pitch, a no hitter and also lead the League in saves in his career. We'll talk to him about becoming a a saver and a closer as we continue on sports byline. Between jobs, retiring or just need health or life insurance. 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Dave Righetti is with us here on sports byline Dave in one thousand, nine, hundred four year removed to the Yankees Bullpen to replace rich gossage had gone off to San Diego that transition I mean. When you're used to being a starter, and then all of a sudden saying they're gonNA. Put you in the bullpen. Tell me how you reacted to that. I was. I'm trying to think of what happened back. Then you know there's no telephones and not knowing way to for them to you know so. I'm not sure how I found out, but I think this is the story, but my mom and my dad and myself. Couple of times a week. We go down the bowling alley for breakfast, so I think we were down there i. don't know who came down and said. that. Somebody's called the House I. Guess It was my brother, but. I don't know how anybody got a hold me, but they did I guess the Yankees back then somehow jet tour, Borg I, know. Now was one of the guys. Sammy Alison and might have been Amas Yoga. Yogi is going to be the manager that year and Somehow they said that I needed to be on some kind of conference call which I'd never heard of such a thing and. So I went back to the house and I called, and my dad said it immediately goes. You know gossip just GonNa leave. He's GonNa sign with somebody else and they're gonNA. They're they're going to ask you to close? I sit closed down. I just you know. This is my first year starting you know and I did a hell of a job and I had the no hitter. Blah, Blah Blah to two hundred twenty innings, or whatever I said they're not gonNA, ask me to do that well. That's what they did, so my first. Instinct was go really you know, but. You know Yogi asked me and I. You know I trusted him so much and I said you sure there's the right thing for the team. And all and he said Yeah. Closer and You know take care of you. I said. alright, Yogi. So you know to me, it was Gosh, it was you couldn't get a bigger Bigger burden to put on somebody you know closing in Yankee Stadium and taking over for goose gossage. But then I started thinking about it. Hey, that's a bad thing. You know these guys really think the world of you'd think you can do something like that so. It took a while, but I came around spring training and was ready to you know. I you know I was all in and But that was my initial reaction. Just kinda you know and everybody thought over it I think that was the only thing bothered me. was that became some kind of? A topic of This conversation that never stopped all the years I was there. There was always somebody complaining that I should be starting and. You know and people fighting against that saying these fines relievers, so that was, but that was the start of yeah yeah. You had two people in that organization one. The owner George Steinbrenner the other Billy Martin Year, manager, that dynamic was rather explosive. How is the team able to keep its focus with all? That was going on around it. I think we're in the eye of the hurricane. You know the players. And I got there late Those guys have been three world champion. You know series by then seventy, six, seventy, seven, seventy eight. And you know a great year eighty that turned into a bad loss to Kansas City, and now eighty-one, we go to the world series so. You know the team was used a winning inside of all that turmoil and I guess we just took it for granted that it was always going to be like that and. Stick together as a team which we always seem to do all those years I was. There is so proud to be part of the Yankee Organization. The players that we had and the teammates the way I came up with that organization. We never had a problem with inside the costs with teammates. It seemed like most depart troubles were. You know be between the front office or maybe the manager's chair which in my time I think we had something like fifteen of 'em, but. It was. It was wild. You know you left. The Yankees because you became a concern with the direction, the team was going as they traded away Rickey Henderson Jack Clark Dave Winfield, and then after the nineteen ninety season, you signed a free agent contract with the giants, and you know coming home is kind of a two edged sword. It's nice to be home to friends and family, but there is a scrutiny day in and day out. What made comfortable with the coming to the giants? Well a couple of things number one. they offered me a four year deal, but sort of the as who had a great team and Tony Larussa, was there. My Dad said the same thing, right. He said You know I don't need to see you, you know. You could go to. You could stay in your I said Dad. We're not gonNA. You know what the Yankees new of US beat up they they're the ones to watch me pitch all those years and to be quite honest. The baseball people thought maybe had a couple of years left and they were right. And But there was three or fourteen. Minnesota was another one that we're offering me. The four years I I can't. I had this pressure. It's I'm not saying I'm like Harper, anybody like that or Machado, but I had I was in New York, I have this young still had great success. If I didn't drive the price up, it would hurt the other guys. And I couldn't sign a two year deal or one year deal and. Play play by ear I had. Not Max out but I had to least. You know try to get close to what I was worth and help the other players out in the in the game so I had that on my back to my you know thinking about. What to do, but the giants situation. With such, and so is Oakland they both wanted me to start or relieve and. I really love the teams both of them, and the giants, young and hungry, and had a great core. Nice menace might be perfect. My biggest mistake that was changing leagues should have never done that. When you pitch especially as a player that was losing it a little bit. You know I knew every hitter, and that other League in American league and I could walk up there and close my eyes and tell you what they're swing was going to do. When I went to the National League I had to learn all over again and I got beat up pretty good at the beginning. And But within about two years, Mar Mashad anyway and it wasn't a matter who I'm just throwing, too, but to me. That was the biggest mistake, but. It turns out. It was the greatest move I ever did. Because we ended up having triplets that needed to I needed to be near the house and they had their issues You know physically and It turns out. You know I ended up with this organization all these years. Because of my time I spent there. I must have done something right. They WANNA be back so. and I'm glad they did so. It gave me a second career. Finished up your sixteen year career with Oakland. Toronto with the White Sox, and then in two thousand you became the pitching coach for the giants, and under you, the giants made it to the two thousand two world series, but you lost seven games to the angels Dusty Baker was your manager and I've had long talks with dusty over the years the aggravation. Aggravation of losing that world series with the lead, and as he has said, and others have said as well. You really had no options with your bullpen I mean all of them were were just wasted. By the time you got to that that comeback win in a game by the by the angels. Tell me a little bit. What was the problem there? Well Rob. Rob Men had? It turns out a career ending shoulder, problem and we. Won't say we knew it, but we knew he didn't feel right and we were told. We had a big meeting about this that you know he's going to have to have surgery regardless. And but they didn't know the extent of it. They never do so. They opened up and it turns out Ronnie. Excuse me that the Robbie never got a chance to pitch again, but. You know he was beat up and so you know. The other team didn't know that, but we didn't know where to go. You know in a sense. If we had to save somebody to finish the game that we needed in the seven eight innings kinda messed up things, but to be honest. They took it from us We we had one bad inning. The series kind of. Was Crazy. There's a lot of scoring. It was it was actually a funny. Was October but it was hot and the balls for flying. There's incredible home runs. You bond some things that you know. I've never seen before, but The balls are flying and we were. You know we were poised to win, but the angels had a hell of a team and. Yeah that seventh inning blew up on us a little bit in Anaheim and they took some momentum, and they took the seventh game also, but that was really really tough loss. That team mid hadn't been. There hadn't lost one of those. You know in a while, so industy had left. You know he was devastated last game. And I can't believe after that top loss and. We had a pretty good team the next two or three years. Would you know burying some of the teams where we want one hundred games next year, so we didn't take a drop off. You know even though we lost a lot of guys but. I didn't think we'd ever get a chance to go back there again and. You went. We went through some down years, but we were able to. Right the ship years later, but that was. That was I'm over to this day, even though we we're fortunate up to win three of them. Still think about that series right? I can't get out of my head. Let me ask you. Let's move forward. Two thousand, ten, two, thousand, twelve, two thousand fourteen giants, win the world series, but Tell me about the what your thoughts are about a couple of your pitchers. You had Tim Linda Him. He won two CY young awards. Why was a guy of his stature so successful because he was a small guy? Well he he, you know it sounds. Pretty corny stories, but he he picked big. And the reason why did was he used the mound? He got way down the the mountains. You know as people know he over P probably over more than anything else, but pitched over the top. And everything worked. You know downhill for him. And when he picked up something whether it was movement on his fastball, curveball was. But it'd be had a baby little slider, but this change up really changed dramatically. And inside, he had a killer instinct he. He almost liked to make peop-. People look bad, you know. He and he did that and He just had a world of town one of the greatest athletes I've ever. been around for him to throw that way you almost have to be. He would have broke down sooner if he wasn't such a great athlete, but Yeah with him and you know when he came was already with us, and we had a young Jonathan Sanchez with us. And You? Know Zito at sign had been there a couple of years, but when Timmy got there, we we all kind of looked at ourselves oh man. And! We were just worried that. 'cause we had no closer for years that they were gonNA. Take one of these two guys, entertainer and make them are closer. and. When we were really hoping to be able to put together, you know five ma'am. Staff where we can really challenged people, because it was so hard to score their ron in that ballpark that you definitely have to outfits, the other team at home and try to win some games on the road and Fortunately we were you know Brian. Wilson came up to the system ended up being closer, but without that we would i. don't know we done. If we would have gone to one of those guys, we only have a couple of minutes left, so I know Madison Bumgarner. You can't say enough about him. And with the little time that we have I do. WanNa get your comments about your manager Bruce Bochy because. You guys were together a long time. You Win Three World Series Championship. He managed for twenty five years thirteen years with the giants. So what was the magic? The chemistry between Bruce Bochy and Dave Righetti. Funny 'cause he you know. He had a chance to after fleet. They step down and. Brian Saving found boats boats called me and just said Hey I, I like to stay and I said you sure. You know you should have your own guy and he goes well. Listen you know. I've been fighting against you for the last ten years and I like the way you do things and. I said all right, boat and So You, know we. We got started and I can't tell you gave me. All of us, we had a different energy as soon as he took over. And the one thing that I felt I felt the genuine honest. To goodness he gave you know, what about the pitching staff? and. It generally wasn't the ruled back then now you know things have changed quite a bit, but. In those days, you know most of your managers tend to. You know they ran their staff and all, but they weren't pitching guys, but in Bo- cheese case he really was, and you could feel it, and you knew it on the bad days, not just a good days and So anyway on. When we started going in the way he delegated authority he he he. He took our opinions all of us. You know it was just. It was a different scene and we got an excitement and. We just felt Oh. Maybe things will get a little better here. And it. Sure Heck did in. You know. He was our leader to all that and Obviously professionally grateful, but personally to you know I I like the way. We did get along. me, let me do my thing. And he trusted me and you know and I trusted him and. It was a pleasure and I told him that the other day well I. WanNa thank you for giving us some time. Dave I witnessed your career and always liked watching you pitch, and I remember that day July fourth nineteen eighty three I watched that game and saw the highlights. Thank you very much continued. Good luck and come back and visit with us again on sports byline. Running anytime congratulations to you with library of Congress, and having your your wonderful interviews on there, and so people can listen. How's things for the rest? You know forever, so thank you very much Dave Righetti with us pitched in the majors for sixteen years most notably with the Yankees for twelve seasons successful, very successful, pitching coach with the giants, We continue with more of you and sports byline. Do, you have a story to share your story lifetime. Private Autobiography Services can help. 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Colfax Shaw and the dodgers extraordinary pitching tradition John First of all when one thinks about the dodgers What do you think of I? Well That was an interesting question because I I mean my honest answer, scully. You know and then for Android Jackie. Robinson I think those are the first two things. And then maybe depending how old you are! Gibson comes out, but I think you'd think about something that goes with the franchise from its history from Brooklyn to La i. think that pitching tradition really does become sort of a defining part of what the franchise has been on the field when you think Brooklyn or Los, Angeles, what has been the Mystique of the dodgers. Yeah well, obviously they. Had A long history of winning and I think they also had history of being sort of a progressive franchise. Again Jackie Robinson being a big part of that, but not really the only part of it I mean. Lung. Their bold moves moving to Los Angeles in the first place, a lot of Bolton invasions on scouting and Development Front, and on the Medical Front Tommy John Surgery. Course originated in Los Angeles. And I think they are, they do standard sort of a flagship franchise, not just in baseball, but in all of sports with say the Yankees and the Lakers and Celtics, and so on John One of the things that I've known in covering sports, and particularly baseball is, and maybe it's different now today, because of the big money and the players moving around, but traditionally it has always been either the dodgers way of the Yankees way or the cubs weigh in other words when you're in that organization, they each a distinctive personality, so when it comes to the dodgers one. Is that personality? Interesting question also I do think the serve an interesting mix of honoring the fundamentals that you know are decades old that originated within say the branch Rickey Era we're put what move forward by L. Cam Panish in who, out the dodger way to play baseball, but again also, and this idea of like they are not resting on the laurels, and in this decade especially last five years. It's a cutting edge franchise. That's a very much like to innovate. not only on the field, but very much with its analytics department, which during my time working there just exploded in size It's really sort of top to bottom forward thinking organization you know when I take a look at the different chapters that you have here in this book, and all the pitchers that are named in this book I was kind of blown away because you tend to forget some of these, but when you think about all these great pitchers that have been with the dodger organization. Did they find them just by luck? or how did it come about that? They got so much talent. Well, starting with Ricky, who became a dodger general manager in nineteen, forty two. They really put an emphasis at the start on. Development and scouting and they did it in a large way. They did buy quantity They didn't have like A. Guidebook that new, which pitcher was GONNA turn out to be great and they understood very well. The pitchers had a very high attrition rate and. Memorial relied on one, the more they might be likely. The burn out but they. But they were head of their time and kind of going after every pitcher inside. When I interviewed Carlos and he talked about how especially thought he was riding its first dodger camping until he realized there were two hundred guys. They're just like him. And through that they started whittled down and you realize that for the first Say from like World War Two to the start of the free agent era. It's pretty much entirely in house development. Obviously. They didn't have free agency until the seventeenth and really only. Major trades they made were for preacher Roe and for cloud hosting, and of course they traded in house talent to get those guys, so it's really you know. From the first forty years about tradition is almost entirely developed some offen- when I take a look at this list and let me just share it with the listeners. You Got People like Carl. Erskine Don Newcombe Johnny Padres Don Drysdale Sandy Colfax also Clot Austin Don Sutton and I see Tommy, John Messerschmitt Bob Welsh, Fernando, Valenzuela Orel hershiser and go down list, and you finally get to Clayton Kershaw but tell me a little bit about the commonality of all those great pitchers well. What's certainly honestly, it's interesting how diverse group it is I mean the commonalities obviously sort of the drive to succeed and their ability to adapt many fishers that you named. Either had initial success, and then some setbacks or struggled to make the majors in the first place Colfax for example famously struggled for the first few years of his career And so. When I tried to get out of the book was almost not just how they weren't. Carbon copies of each other, but they all have varying stories to tell both in terms of. How they push mechanics of pitching as well as just sort of their their their historian, a personal histories, their emotional. Histories what kind of men they were like. they came from all walks of life. They literally came from geographically all parts of the world, and it's really interesting to see how they all came together and become this sort of condo line of great pitching. Look at the research that you did one of the stories that really stuck with you that you kind of smiled about and still remembered today about all those pitchers anything interesting. God there were so many stories I mean us. We one of my favorite stories from the more recent era was Chan Ho park telling me how as a teenager in Korea! He grew up. What screw up some speed watching condemn. No, no, he was a star Japan. Mean and Chan Ho knew about gail way before anyone in Los Angeles. for me, the most poignant stories done become. Do is about ninety one years old, and still shows up at dodger stadium on a regular basis to hang out before batting practice and very much a legal presence at dodger stadium, but during his time. Winter so many struggles So many hurdles yet to overcome. Extremely underappreciated, it's time I think considering how incredible pitcher was. and. He's the kind of picture that no matter what he did. It was never seemed like he was master fans for the press nothing. He didn't have his fans, but they're always left. Wanting more and honestly in my research win. Most amazing things I found was a call on the Brooklyn. Daily Eagle that just ripped. You come up and down and one of the reasons. They read too much because someone had predicted, but he would win thirty games that year and when He. Ended up winning about twenty, they criticized him volley shortage. For not winning thirty I mean it's amazing. So you really realize that even before the twitter there were hot takes. Thirty inches tell me a little bit about Fernando. Valenzuela because I always found him to be fascinating. Oh He's absolutely fascinating and He's very He's he's little. Way like Colfax doesn't really seek out. He doesn't at all. Seek out that attention doesn't WanNa talk about themselves unless you ask him about hitting the US, go hitting people. Give you every detail you possibly want to know. but he grew up with about. Literally. A full team of brothers playing baseball together. He had something like eight brothers in Mexico, and he wasn't allowed to pitch. It was time to love the one of the younger ones that low on the Totem Pole, and so he had to play out position for years and I don't know if that helps concerns his arm for awhile or not, but once he did take the mound. You know prodigy who was able to learn things. At a rapid pace again, not because he didn't work for it, but just because he had the ability to process things. and. He gets the dodgers. And of course, everyone knows about the phenomenon. Fernandomania I think what people may forget. Is that even after that first year? which was the most efficient year? He was a steady pitcher. For the better part of the next seven or eight seasons before finally I, think the wearing of did start to catch up on fan. We have about a minute left, but Clayton Kershaw an amazing talent Is He as good as any of the pitchers? The dodgers of ever had. I think he's definitely as good as any of them. I mean the obvious comparisons is between him. And Colfax and Colfax will always hold an advantage over the fact, because of the fact that he was able to pitch incredible numbers of innings pitched every fourth day he won. work was on three world champion teens, and it doesn't look like. Kershaw will match that hopefully. We got at least one series title, but I think with Kershaw he has just the. The years of dominance. His stretching diamonds goes beyond really what Colfax had and I think when things are said and done. Regardless of what happens to Kershaw postseason record I think you really have to consider one of the greatest is not just with the dodgers, but in all of baseball history in about twenty seconds. What do you want people to take away from this book? one I mean hopefully just they enjoy the story and getting perspective on these pitchers, but I think the thing is one thing I've tried to emphasize. He's at the dodgers. Pitching tradition didn't just come out of nowhere drop from the sky, and had that sort of foundational with branch rickey and it was. It was something tangible that you can put your finger on. It really was a thing as opposed to just something in our imagination, John I wanNA. Thank you congratulations on this book. It's a good read. Come back and join us again on. Sports byline. Pleasure thanks so much John Weisman with us, and for more than thirty years he has written about sports and entertainment, and also has written other books about the dodgers, but this one is called easily brothers in arms. Colfax kershaw dodgers extraordinary pitching tradition. We continue on Sports Bilal. Have you written a book? You can become a published author with door publishing the nation's oldest publishing services company. Authors have trusted dorrance for nearly a hundred years to bring their book at the market are professional team. 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L. was the last football league to challenge the NFL while causing owners and executive to collectively shudder, and it spanned three seasons from nineteen, eighty, three to nineteen, eighty-five secured multiple television deals, drew millions of fans and launched the careers of legends I was interested. Jeff and what you said in a piece that I read that this was a passion project. Tell me why. Well I was I grew up loving the USFL whenever I say that luckily. There's my favorite because a kid I thought it was. Ten years old when it started and sometimes little things seem really really big taking the Disney world for the first time Heiser. I remember seeing Herschel Walker. Cover of sports illustrated in new. Jersey generals line is go big. I've never seen the helmets Michigan Panthers you know. They started from Denver Golden. They were explosive. And Bright. passed already nineteen ninety five years after he got as a senior high, school. My sheet of paper had to be twenty pages. Forty pages on the downfall USFL I just love the league and wasn't batch rated fascinated by it and. It'll last ten years I can trying to get a US bill book yards never able to. Finally got one. It's a worse than ever gotten my father was. Done that I just didn't care I WANNA. Take a shot I. Don't great story if people decide the Biot-. That's great, but they don't feel good that I. gave my aunt put forth the story that I really believe yeah, you said I love the USFL the crazy uniforms and team names and logos in the impossible believe stories about drugs, wayward flights and cigarette smoking players, eating ham sandwiches on the sidelines of games. Is there any correlation between the USFL in the early days of the AFL? I think. Players sort of felt a bonds. In hearing. About had to find. That you are sort of it was us against them. Know Perfectly Djabel Craig. James came out of that said you. And Credit Games highly touted running back. easy would've been a I. Side with the Washington federals and it was asked about it. He was. Why even if you probably get maybe sort of money talked about just feeling like Joe. Nina and sometimes it's okay to take shop. And also actually ten years later years later, I think it was four years later. Craig James is doing the Patriots and they had a quarterback ain't Tauber has retained La expressing the. Time Ramsey's told me he threw. A touchdown passes exhibition game, Craig James, and when spring on the field to celebrate with their jumping up and down shouting USFL USFL, but there's a bond there and doing something different bucking the system. I say that because I remember in the early days of the AFL, when the jets were the titans at that time, the players did know if their checks were going to clear or not, and when they would get their paychecks, they would go down to the bank in their uniforms to catch them to make sure that they were good and I'm sure there was some of that going on in the USFL as well. Oh the. Status owner. The San Antonio gunslingers name. And they played two years four, eighty, five, eighty, four got paid eighty five. Couldn't his money started going dry? Thank you usually without clear taxes, and not that far away San Antonio after practice is the players get paid, and as soon as they got their checks. screech out of the parking lot because they had the first whatever five or six guys with the bank. Otherwise it checks out. There was one play on the gun. His name Greg Fields. The fascinating story you've defenseman out of. case to the courts a little bit and. He goes with the LA expressing for the team cutting. Punched his coaches coach John Hayden. WHO HAS QUARTER? You Punch John Status and the. Team had the higher liberace's body yard away from hockey. Because? He kept trying death threats to the team. so he gets you know. He's persona non grata in the world at the San Antonio gunslingers lead. Offensive Line play, actually signed him going all of this based on the The owner stopped paying. So Greg Field already punts two coats and those people stuff. Gets in his car and all the older home baseball bat this car. And you'RE GONNA get to the south. So I. Feel you live. There's no reason to not to pay us. Wait here. Here's our parents. House gets ten thousand dollars in cash for ten people visited field. It's. To the money you never see me again, you're. About some of the other characters in that league that you talk and write about. After the bursting in Chicago Blitz, one of the best team in the US coaches George Allen. Misunderstood the general manager and Arizona. trae traded for one another literally the. Numbers and the rest of the range, but Because the owner of the GLITZ. Phoenix based. Doctor. They had you trick and he got tired of flying to Chicago. For the three hour charter, the jets shot. Out just because he does about why we're just trade offs. And? The funny thing is Marv. Levy was hired as we head coach Steidl blitz. And he thought Heritage Chicago, a really good, and he shows up. The crappy Arizona Wrangler. Dressing, let's go to. They got four fourteen year before that'd be that goes. Owner of the new bliss was documenting James Huffman. And about five games into the season he's walking up at a loss was one of the players tickets? And, he says the Dan was like yeah. I'm out of here man and tickets. Where are you going this? He's like no, no, no, I'm out of you're done with this I'm leaving team. Right, it's a third hospital. Personally ordered the vessel splitting. His team on the side of the road so the League. Over the best, That season in a total Megara, and in fact it's somebody barbary the toilet paper into the house the Gentleman. Got Fire any locked himself in his office and started calling the local media talking him on a crazy crap. There's no it was. It was definitely. Yeah. I know in the early days of the AFL. When they would travel, they would take a plane. And then they pick up the other team on the way wherever they were gonNA play and they would make four or five stops. What was the travel like In the early days of the NFL I mean started well. They started flying. Charter flights and then what happened is start running out of money and the most mustangs like history? Arizona ranks Wordy Oakland knows ers excuse me. They had the Oklahoma to the Arizona Rangers. WHO WERE THE CHICAGO BLITZ? Now. Going to is they're flying back. And there! There's a guy that team they've done Hickman. Guidelines and he had grown up. shopping would as a boy like ours is. Strong guy. and. They had an offense alarm code. You just want to jump Kirin. Really tough and order like the drink. In this linebacker so cheap now that they have to fly back on commercial. On this like sort right at me. And Donnie Hickman this getting loud about that plane. Johnson just kind of drinking, and he walks up and he's like what's so funny was like go back to the old man all of a sudden. They're throwing punches and the. Kids are crying. Women are shielding. Hark on that in both of these papers at the greatest thing ever how I interviewed the owner. He's like yeah. You know maybe having the open border before he wasn't the best idea. the other thing, too when I think about them. I think about the early days of the raiders in the guys that were on those teams. I mean. You've heard some of the stories about the things that they did. Were they just like that like the raiders were. Not only that they had a bunch raiders. Ray Chester Yacht Oakland's tight ends. Art Winning in? Wittingham was a was no the oaken invaders. It's kind of funny. They got the the raiders La. Oakland invaders instead of the Oakland. Raiders and they're asked. They said. Pure coincidence just acquaintances the garden. All raiders you know it's just hard. Drinking hard charging the Houston gamblers had one of my favorite favorites that are wide receiver Richard Johnson Colorado. Eventually Johnson would smoke a joint before every single game. and. They would always make sure that you had is to relax, but I had another. That's cardio wasn't nearly as good as Richard Johnson. Never, smoke. And tending to game events is like I duNno, it worked very well for Richard Johnson. Richard Johnson's joints, which were powerful stuff and smokes it and he jogged out onto the field. Pristine by feelings of paranoia and their business. The worst game never place high again. Tell me a little bit about the genesis of the League how it came about. So there been going. Back? Way Way. Before, the came in. With the NFL hopping. Hop On. Training and the saints can. Kind of put to the side. Then later I never fully counter out of his ideas football. He went to George Allen. Actually is in the policies of St. John's like that is played. Idea never thought that idea go. Off and running there was never supposed to be against the NFL, supposed to be sort of a component almost like a parallel to the NFL then known as one crazy. We're talking about Jeff Perlman's book at is an excellent reading by the way we're GONNA. Make it a selection of the month on the Sports BYLINE USA Book Corner? You will not be able to put it down. You will laugh out loud I guarantee you that you'll do that. And this book is called football for a buck, the crazy ride and crazier demise of the US NFL, the United States football league. We'll talk more about it. 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Talk Show Sports Byline USA act. Here's Rhonda. Pearlman has joined us here on. Sports byline again outstanding Collins for ESPN. Dot Com and also a senior writer for sports illustrated. He has written a number of New York Times. Bestsellers in his latest is called football for a buck. The crazy rise in crazier demise of the USFL I noted on the information. They sent about you. I love the picture. How did it come about you sitting in the water on a chair and a table with your computer there? What's the genesis on that? One so four years ago, bartending thanks to Jim real general. Selah they probably out from New York California to show. And I. Really came to love California. That's my wife. And I really just wanted to ensure that the photographer. No, Elvis disagree writer Tucker. How long did something that kind of respect to California, so we went to point and just writing and a lot of course I would never do the last outside the were. You also talk about all the great players that were in that league for the three years, and you have said it really comes down to who you think is the best was Sam Mills who was with Philadelphia? Baltimore Stars is a linebacker and I got to know Sam. When he was in the NFL with the saints, I agree wholeheartedly with you and I. Don't understand like you don't understand why. He is not in the hall of fame. How. He was to me, he was single. US you'll. Get. I haven't talked much. Sam Meals Pete's years in the US about he was the at the very. Center, Choir and the rest about. Aspire. Herschel Walker and I in Nineteen Ninety five minutes twenty four hundred eleven yards in the US. SINGLE SEATS PRO FOOTBALL RECORD I do not like. That be pro football. It's not the NFL awesome. It's a pro football. Doesn't give that even a line on tax or a moment of consideration three okay, never played in the NFL and you just you're. Just have to understand it. A tender never insisted that. It doesn't matter it doesn't. Really I mean sandhills. If you just look at him as an NFL quite wow, this is a great NFL player. came out of equation. Three calls from New Jersey. He was cut. By the Toronto. ARGONAUTS, then it was cut by the Browns, the coach of the Browns San Mateo Call Peterson the chamber the stars and said. He a guy. You're going to see him in you're not gonNA, want. But. You have to watch him. Play football occur. Five hundred nine middle linebacker. And Peterson's like. Signing a five nine. That'll why not? Just. Watch him play, so Jim Moret over the head coach. You got the same line. Dental college tuition. cinematographers high I signed this. Five nine linebacker. Moore's like I'm not starting to five million. Well, let's just watch them. In sandhills shows up. MONTCLAIR speak. Shows up and use. To thing lights out lights out there and if it were not for the USFL. Can ever gets a shot in the NFL. The tiny signed with the stars. There's actually teaching talking and woodworking, and he starts High School in new, Jersey and never signed expenses. Part of. I remember when he was playing with the new, Orleans Saints and it was a game against the forty niners I was covering, and I gotTa tell you. He filled the whole on one play, and just not the running back back about three or four yards. As you pointed out the one thing about him. Jeff was he was only five nine. He was hard to block because if he lowered his head, he went down to four two and nobody could really get an angle on him I just think he was one of the all-time great linebackers in the NFL and I think he was downgraded or at least not willing to be accepted or wasn't but the NFL because of that size of nine. Yeah I agree you. It's funny much as many US Adele cuts I have. Recommend. To have such a time stuck with watching my you know Herschel Walker was mad among boys, especially that first before they started getting better players, but sandhills they're. The only competitive, sandhill hitting Herschel Walker Blick, law, shooting and stopping minister, and there's nobody else. Who Really. wasted. Tell me a little bit more about the owners that were in the USFL, and of course we're lead into Donald. Trump and he was the owner of the New York team, but tell me a little bit more about them. There's a mixed bag. You know guys like miss by Talmon. It was a very wealthy man. Philadelphia very wealthy. Trump's got the financial wherewithal to be owner. John Bassett. Tampa Bay bandits, was it? From The football team. The problem is, it was one thing to tell guys. You'RE GONNA. Lose money, and there was another thing to lose money. I like you're GONNA lose money. Before anybody bake buddy okay. Okay, crap. I just lost five million dollars. This is not okay, so a lot of these guys is. They weren't used to being successful. You're not used to failing. In the second year. They added sixteen expansive so start as a twelve team jumped up to eighteen and they some if he owners to in particular bill. The La Express. He's on his young to the forty two million dollars deal. He couldn't afford by the time you always over. You're pretty much out of money. and the other Clinton Magassa that San Antonio downstairs. WHO also ran out of money? couldn't angus so cheap, but team so keep San Antonio that he would use industrial spray. Paint the lines. So Joe Jokes outsell a former especially when you're. Told me stories about Steve Young in the shower. Screaming as a hot water kit, this turf burn. That wasn't mixed with industrial crust. Scraping back got into his cuts. Well. You think about those owners at that time and they had an awful lot of money. It's one thing to have a lot of money. It's another thing to realize you're not going to have as much money. was that the essence of the problem? Yeah, it's one thing and then Donald Trump. Donald trump came along, and he made a lot of promises. He was the owner of the New Jersey. He came in, and he said that Spring footballs great and I love the USFL. As soon as he was a crew. There's an owner shows up at the first meeting since spring spurred springs from them, so we need to go to fall foster the money you gotta try all nobody plays football on the strength. Get a secret meeting with pizzas. Alvin Rangers in your city. We Censor Sal. I'm not really interested in this guy, I want to get the NFL what have to do who was telling her? In the NFL limits house would never be in the NFL sometimes cares he charges. You convince other. Fox Nubia to be had. And! He knows that he can get it so easy because so you. Don't have a now. Convinces a lot of guys to go because they're losing money. It's about it. And they end up suing the NFL. He hires right cones leads attorney. He convinces all the other owners for the NFL IS GONNA be Kinda settle higher-end cone and Don't settle, and they end up stealing. They had an antitrust case. You probably never a time. There's enormous search trial the decade. There's in New York Donald Trump. Made witnesses the worst. The history of mankind is arrogant and dismissive or bob acid everything NFL debate. And Jerry decided that the NFL's monopolizing TV NFL was plotting for the US. But ultimately the US. It's on Fox plan to the fall, so they gave him a dollar. Interesting that Deja Vu all over again, right? I'm GonNa tell you. The one guy who stood up on trump methodology, dad, it's order jobs acid. Late in nineteen eighty, John went for a cat scan, and it's now chew spot. Bring your brain cancer. FUNICELLO started getting sleep. Donald trump walk all over him and there was an. It was John Bassett. Is Gordon decide? It was John, McCain thirty years before John McCain. This one. Donald trump heading into the night for the Fashion High Science Doug Flutie at Boston College. Biggest contracting. Time. Cows is partners generals I'm GonNa side Foodie, but the other owners are GonNa pay for it, and he sends a letter to the owner. Saying I did newspaper, everyone should conceded create salary doesn't Mexico long where the Meskel up there years earlier, he. Guaranteed. Guaranteed you can get a foxy BDO. He told them he was already talking to the networks and they were all very attraction. In complete and total lie, not a advocation. This understood. About it learning at A. That is not a political statement public. Stadium. I love the USFL. A. As a general, Stan, I thought competent. Green owner bought us a of class, but for the south to astronaut. Yeah! It was a factual statement that you made, and I agree with you. Let's talk about some of the players you mentioned about Steve Young. You've got Jim Kelly you've got Reggie White. You Got Herschel Walker Kelvin Bryant Doug Williams Craig James What attract those types of players. Those kinda quality players to the League. Or, Doug Williams is a fascinating we're. She says quarterback for the Tampa Bay buccaneers. You very good fair. USC. Maybe. Somewhere Between Fortieth and fiftieth highest paid quarterback in the NFL which is preposterous. You taught the owner. You call the house as racist. T- Tossed. Around that time, just like Janice died of a brain tumor. Plates and he was mad at the buccaneers and we needed to change his life. Be Using Adler Suggest Times Kelly and the owner of the Oklahoma outlaws team bill keenum calling her. The gamblers instead Dan I really like signed Kelly teach quarterback here. He's like what about he's. Like! Glands everything on at this family actually talked to him. Be! The wanted to pay him like made them more than the five highest quarterbacks. Coverings joining absolutely horrible teeth Oklaho-. Here's the funny thing about Oklahoma outlaws. Clayton Tulsa at the Stadium University of Tulsa called home. When, they were Tosa crew to them to. Be told them that they were joined thirty thousand games. Games College team. It turns out there, only seven thousand. They lied about the attended. Nobody checked it so it'd be the show up. They draw almost nobody. They had terrible. Even Zona, but Doug Williams. You mentioned in were ask. Could the USFL have lasted? Had things gone differently and you've said? Probably not why? I. Think also somebody would have a merger. I really do I think the thing. In seven, the NFL quit smoking eighty seven, and there's lot of things up in the air. Like what happens is the NFL avoid distracted. Lurking 'cause you pick off other or something NFL. NFL CD less of a threat. It would have been about point. Maybe Birch I. Think they would've had the Baltimore Stars. They had the Memphis showboats before the titans of just with the Jacksonville boss with the Jaguars. Human Oakland I would sitting abandoned market. I think the easiest thing to the sound wisest move would have been some birds, and they definitely were talking Italy offices about the idea of the Baltimore Stars. Perhaps eventually you probably thought was just a concert at that point what happens. You know I agree with you that the US NFL was revolutionary and I. Don't know whether people remember, or they realised how revolutionary they tell everybody what some of the unique things they did. What two point conversion before the NFL coaches challenge. The NFL they had a you know. run-and-shoot offense that Jim Kelly ran and now status. came from Portland. State's run it. I I just said the Negro in. He's four shoreline wide receiver and now hosts Sean. The NFL were I said to him those offenses Iran ran. Detroit there's don't exist before the US. sidewinders percents guy slashing. Achievers. US Brooklyn the biggest thing. That I. Really think that's up. To them to now is. Do you WANNA look salary bonded. One salary started skyrocketing pro football. Go back to the USFL because the NFL is somebody that someone and there's someone a threat so every time someone you know Levy on Dell. Pittsburgh steelers whatever billion. You'd probably send a little bit of after Herschel Walker. Because he always, there's guys. One of the things the bill told me one time is that when he was developing the west coast offense, he remembered back to the US L. in some of the things that they were doing as he developed that concept I. Thought it was interesting, and as I hear you talk about it I started smiling and thinking. You know he was absolutely right. Yeah? I sent. There's just. They opened a lot of is. When he was coming along. Somebody has gillibrand of the. Company players. You could wind up the NFL. Said, thousand. And of a two hundred. You know and you think of the coach Steve Mariucci starting to John Fox Jim usfl. Torna guys union. About. Is this really groundbreaking? Meet at a lot of good and most important. Maybe it was insanely fun. Cayenne sponges? We only have about a minute left I want you want people to take away from the book? Join it I. Mean I I wanted to. Love the US about the way I did laugh and. Get some real I mean you can't read about the San. Antonio gunslingers. You really can't not find it utterly Hilarious or read about young told me the last phone La. Drive into the game. The bus drivers stopped the bus stood up and said somebody better painting by five hundred dollars round up moving, and they pass the hat around the boss to pay the guy to get to the last. I mean those kind of things. Joy so I hope people enjoy it yeah I sense. This was a labor of love for you Jeff. Hundred percent I mean it was the most fun I've ever had argued. Well, congratulations on at your other books were bestsellers. The rocket that fell to Earth and boys will be boys in the bad guys. One and I think this one will be as well I'm looking forward to reading it from cover to cover when I looked inside of it I already smiled a little bit because I could relate to some of the things that you wrote about Jeff. You're welcome here anytime so if you'd like to come back and join us on Sports Byline, certainly, if you have another book, you're welcome here, my friend. Thank you so much. Thanks for having Jeff Perman with US and again this is a book that will make you smile from ear to hear, and you'll just laugh out loud i. mean because if you hear what Jeff had to say about some of the moments in the players in the USFL, you'll just shake your head. We continue across the country and around the world with you on America's sports. Talk, show! Do! You have a story to share your story lifetime. Private Autobiography Services can help. We will interview you. Buy Video or phone to get your memories. 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What you already saw this story dangerous I saw the headline thought I might be a danger to myself well now you are the one of the the three studio host here tonight. who actually has worn amass? Oh, yeah! I wear a mask all time actually. Not all the time, but I haven't seen you very often so so so all the time I mean I'm frequently wearing it. Okay, but I'm not wearing it all the time when he's the. When is it when you are commonly seen? Is that when you go to stores? Usually go out any time I. Go out and I'm not. I'm not either eating or doing a show or something of that nature. Where do you wear to market? Well No, not not to protect not to protect myself or anybody else because it doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't make sense, but I will put it on before I go out, so I hope I will frequently be driving with my mask on well chafe. Kid, is this person's name. He says you're not going far enough Chris. He said the community has paid attention and done well outside of their homes, but it's not enough. He said quote. We still need people to wear the mask out in public. We still need people to keep social distancing isolation Ryan. The one thing I want to try to get across today is we need to do that when we're in our homes also as you know, I'm a lifelong San Antonio and grew up. There worked there for many years and I know how many multigenerational families that we have. We believe the community is doing a great job of. Of following the rules when they're outside the home, we really need to be thinking about doing the same thing when we're inside the home, he said Kids said the state of seeing an influx of cases throughout recently, and it should serve as a reminder that no one is immune for disease. He said further quote the fact that we need to get across is in order to protect ourselves. We need to protect our families and our loved ones. We really need to think about the care that we're providing inside the home right now. To make sure we're not spreading this inside the home. Then making it come outside the home. The whole the whole reason to wear a mask is to reduce a the spread, but it doesn't mean you have to eliminate it entirely. That really should be to basically get. The are not down below one so I. Mean I i. don't know where it's at now, but. Honestly I don't care. Because I'm not concerned with the spread of covid nineteen. It doesn't seem to be particularly deadly to me I. Don't see people dying in my life left or right anywhere as a matter of fact for that matter. I think it's blown out of proportion, and this is just the you know. This is the Cherry on the s cake here that the government has been cramming down people's throats now. They're saying you should be wearing masks inside your home. So make sure you keep the mask. Right at hand next to your shower so when you step out I. mean unless they're going. Say Your shower. Wait wait a minute. Wait a minute. That's that's not wearing it all I'm the. Waterproof masks I don't even know that one and I guess you know you really ought to be I mean if you want to be the ultimate and cautious. You shouldn't be sleeping with anybody anymore. Definitely need to make sure we separate all couples. Chris need to separate from from your partner. You'RE GONNA have to go into different rooms If you sorry if you've got a wife or a husband. Sorry, just you need to go ahead and. Get them out of your room and because you don't want to be, you don't want to be in bed with somebody even if they've got a mask on. I mean that's risky. Oh absolutely! There's risk involved I mean this. Isn't it scary out there? Although kids shied away from saying, residents must wear masks in their home. He said it needs to be heavily considered in the interview. He cited how some people may be going out for holidays or parties, but not considering what may, they may be bringing into their homes. So this is kind of interesting, because I'm going to be going away next week. Where are you going visiting? Somebody who is? got. Immune very serious immune disorder could regardless of whether or not you know their whole company. Nineteen thing happened, and honestly I'm basically going to be keeping my distance for about a week and then we're going down. But you're going to keep your distance from other people. Just you know to reduce the risk of getting infected gone, but usually the symptoms will show up within five or six days, so you know it's not eliminating the risk. Potentially we could end up killing somebody, but the risk is drastically lower. If you give it a week, and you haven't come down sicker with symptoms, so kid asked. Have you done the things to protect yourself and your family? Family when you're at home and when you have extended family, come into stay with you. Are you doing everything you can to protect them and yourself from this virus? He asked You, can then they? For whatever reason you want to? They've got a full interview with this. Jack Ball Control Freak who is actually telling people. They should wear a mask when inside their homes, and this is in Texas supposedly one of the more freedom, friendly places and there's. There's there's extremes nothing is. Is Not talking about requiring now, so he's. There is no freedom position on any scientific issue including your statistical chance of dying from the from the Cova. The thing that's important to freedom is that you're free to make your own choices, which means maybe underestimating the damage the danger of Co Vidor, maybe overestimating the damage of covert so long as you make your own decisions and don't make decisions for other people. I don't have a problem well. This guy may not be able to make that decision. He's just the head of the Texas Division Avert Emergency Management I. Don't know if that person has the ability to make a diktat that everyone must wear masks in their homes even enforce that. Don't want to begin to find out. I. Did you see the TSA? Episode from South. Park where TSA was the toilet safety. Administration, that was a funny episode. Something like that is what I envision. Maybe children's snitching on their own parents. I. You know it's funny because they don't. They have the school shutdown. Our kids kids aren't even going to school. I think it depends on where you go. So I did see a headline that in New Hampshire. The Catholic private schools will be going back to school, okay. This coming fall, and also colleges are expected to be going back with severe restrictions. For instance. You can't even hug anyone now on on a college campus. No handshaking, no hugs. 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ZBT #279: Nants ingonyama bagithi Baba (US Navy Kills Lion King)

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ZBT #279: Nants ingonyama bagithi Baba (US Navy Kills Lion King)

"It's Tuesday edition here on Zero Block, thirty and today we have five rounds in the magazine row number. One big time. Bash happened this weekend at the White House. Because of the fourth of July, the US Navy band. Put on a show. That rivaled some of the topics that we had on Friday. Show. We're going to dig deep until lines than for this. When folks because it was a beautiful beautiful time round to life at the coastguard academy is finally getting a little bit easier. Thanks to corona virus, and some relaxed regulations for the news swops. They're called. Did you know that concentrated charity? Tonight swabs. Air called swaps should be called codfish. Say you're a codfish Penn.. Screws Feo Raphia good reference. Oh Jeez. That wasn't that good. Sometimes, still a pocket. Pocket Oscar indeed is that you Peter ovationhair. You are Peter. Fear, you saw great first round I'm excited for this hankering. Yeah, indeed. 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T shirt with the dude from. was that show called nine one one? and has our puppy dog face on it? The pirate dog. But I got this new product because I told you guys I think last week i. told you that I had to steal my deck. My we painted our back deck gray than my wife has been doing a white stencil on it to make it look like Spanish tile back there and then I had to seal it, so I got Thompson's water seal now I. Don't know if people just people my age. Do you remember cons because you're closer to my caters? Almost every home improvement commercial history of time for our childhood was Thompson's water seal. Those Thompson's water seal commercials around ABC back in the day and it off because I feel like every spring. My Dow BE SHELLAC Patti. I mean always. So I got a huge like five gallon bucket of Thompson's water seal mark I'm doing all kinds of product thompsons clear that the best they fucking all over ace hardware commercials when I'm young I needed to get the biggest thing. They got dirty bucks bed. One bring that thing on why start spraying down my deck with it. It's so sticky. It feels like I'm walking on. Venus Venus flytrap ever I'm. Well after after I was done like I still have to go outside to like feed gusts and shit like instill. You got really market. Often go around. I'm talking three four days later I'm talking about when it should be dry. They say at most should take two days. Well, what's happening? Then I have no idea. I wonder if it has anything to do with the temperatures in Texas. To do with humidity awesome, I have to do something with the primer that I put on it. That's supposed to block out moisture and not allow moisture, and so it can't like seep through, but dude I have done every marine cleaning technique that I know I have busted out Scuds brushes I had my kids online Scuds. Bulkhead I. Sir and they had simple green, and they were getting after we had gained still out there I, went out and got oil observant. I've gotten all kinds of shit to try to. Nothing is cutting through this Thompson's water seal. It's terrible. You should record your call at Thompson's water seal. Early absolutely punks over big water seal been taken advantage of us are to. Go on their website like I've been in read it threads. I've been in deep into question. Dot Com that used to be who was bing or Yahoo, the. Question Dot com deep into those threads, and the only thing that I could find as they say. You're going to have to re sand the deck. No I would never do that so I. got this new product yesterday. It's called goof off. Her, kidding me, no, it's called. GOOF OFF! Premium is what I. Got Our goof off plus something like that and on the bottle. It says it'll get up dried latex paint. So if you have say you spill a can of paint, you can get that up with the goof off, but it also says any type of sticky residue like if you pull off a sticker, and it's on a glass and it's going to be there. That's primarily what it's for. It says paint safe on it. No I get a little spot. Luckily I. Just do a test spot. I pour like maybe maybe an ounce of it on this little section of my porch. Do one white. Takes off not only the Thompson's water seal it takes off the gray paint, the white paint, the primer like the first layer of concrete, unlike dishes should be controlled by the DOD. There's no reason for this is like the M two of. Abrasion are like fucking. Isn't that funny I feel like there's a lot of products like that where it says something on the label, but anybody who knows anything knows it's not actually true like if you knew someone who knew all about like a paint remover, and that that product says like Elliott won't remove paint. Someone would have told you. The light's, it's most paint. Or like cop when they cause deformity deformities in pregnancy. My that's not true. You can basically drink, that's. K. Out in the desert, lacking water. Got COPD. have any of that drink? Some of the fucking Arctic stuff league Julie. All right. Let's go to ask you how your Independence Day, weekend, how was your weekend? Did you guys do anything just unplugged? China, staff, my phone as much as possible over the very on the couple instagram stories of sport, not a whole lot going on for not just going into the BOONIES, laying low and getting away from everything. So that's all I did really kind of hermit it up. Hermit crab did not bad John's. Friday I was out on the ocean for nine hours fishing. It was a blast. Anything yeah, we caught a few things. We went fluke in and we were looking for some goofy. And looking for some shape in. We've got a few, but then I. You know people are saying like Oh cons on the water. You're on a boat. You must love the navy. Dumdum the has boats to okay. So who cooler jets as they say, the boats right at the town hall. Agreeing about potato. Nice little this little barbecue for the fourth also car this weekend and This morning. My girlfriend's like hey. Can I take your car to go to the supermarket and in my head? I wanted to be just say nope. You sure can't 'cause. It's br I've only driven really like once I your car rental car. No, no, my car. I get I got a Volvo xc ninety. Yeah so. It's. Brand new driven at once up the parkway, and then she's already like. Hey, can I go take it and I'm just you know? I haven't programmed the seats yet. There's a lot of gizmos and gadgets that I have to sit in there. Was the over under. If it's your own brand new car, you gotta put over under I would say ten trips of at least two miles before somebody else can even entertain the idea of. Right exactly like. Let me break her in a little bit before. You're just thinking. Hey, can I go to trader. Joe's like I don't want you to go to trader Joe's. Because guess what some idiot's GonNa pull out of the parking lot and smash right in you and there goes my brand new car, so that's what I was dealing with this morning. Stuff I said at this thing behind me, you'll be. Social. Clip I got my new projector. That's going on behind me. I got my dude. Ray came out set up my workshop that off done this weekend. Which I'm thrilled about going to set. That thing has some new videos coming out from there. It's just been a time. It's been a time. rippin heaters which you guys know. McCartney hates whenever. Any. Yeah, I mean this guy was the cigarette king I was telling him I. If I have a shop in my backyard is legit note skews for me not to start cigarette again. Other guy have to do you should. I'm back on them back on the heater I'm back on the heaters again. Where what one time what start with you Kate I. Are you back on them? I just got bored. I guess. They're just so damn. Delicious man and the weather was right out in the boonies. It's like you know what let's rip a couple. Heaters and I did and then I said Oh. Yeah I really love this forgot, and then now back on. It's a trait near my voice sounds a little deeper, a little rougher that so, that's the heaters. Okay, all right. CHEF. I just badge one of your daughters, though coming out to the shed unless you just build a fence around the shed that says no one allowed him to accept me Oh dude if you don't think I've already ordered the best padlock in the history of the world. You don't know me at all. I am going to have that thing like four fucking knocks my friend. I mean one. One reason is because I'm putting out what I have in there, so I have to keep the true anyways so I have that out there I. I can't wait man. That's going to be a good time to set that thing. I'm getting air conditioner out there and be able to chill. When everything's going crazy in here, I might even bring my fucking serious studio out there honestly. Oh that would actually be pretty cool if it as your workshop and Radio Studio Yeah, pretty sweet but I don I. Don't want it to feel crowded in there because it got a lot of projects that go on. Our next project is going to be round number one. We're going to get into the topics of the day. Here do we already player music? No thinks now. Here's the music. Here it is, let's get started. May. Are. The first story comes from Washington. DC, this just felt like a very different fourth of July, because normally on fourth of July at least for me over the past couple of years. It feels very fourth of July. Even if you don't go out I haven't gone out and fourth of July and a longtime Kinda. Hang out at my house. Chill here, but you see instagram stories of people posting their fireworks like anybody gives a fuck. Now this year. It didn't seem like there was nearly as many right. Did you guys see as many? Big Ones, but way more personal ones like. Way Way Way. Way Way more personal ones, oh. Yes, it's been all over the news up in this area. The Greater New York City area. How people have just taken it upon themselves to have little miniature fireworks shows for the week or so literally every street here like every. Wow, yes, maybe people here, actually being responsible because super dry. It's been over one hundred several. Weeks or Maybe they're just being responsible. Here for want is super dry, so maybe that's the reason why I didn't see it nearly as much in Texas. The fourth of July ceremonies that they had the president went to one that was in Mount, Rushmore, which caused a little bit of a stir Donald Trump. Junior is ridiculous man. Can you imagine any other president in US history? Their kid posted in the memes Shit that he does on there with his dad flying on a fucking eagle in front of Mount Rushmore Imagine. Obama doing that Chin with Barack whenever he's president or imagining young Chelsea Clinton getting a hold of her fucking Mice Basin moving her dad fly on top of some Eagle. On, the top of my space page. It's and he's fucking like forty five. He's that child, the counterpoint counterpoint. Okay, now granted there are a lot of people are saying lot of horrible things about president. Trump what it's gotta be pretty cool. If you had just treasure trove of memes about your parents that you can then share with all your pals. That is true like to go in there and go into. The underscored Donald on Reddit and just like a right click save. Clicks. Pretty sweet, but having that as your parent. I don't know what I would. Because I I love. My mom but I'm not going to go out and gas. My mom up on social. Like. She's the best aid salesman in the world. laughed. About star gas my mom up. She makes it great dip. She makes a lot of ships. Every single one that Don Jr. Does of his dad. You should Redo it Virginia. But you know what it's like. It's like that General Mattis. Good whatever the lower enlisted level like. They don't really know a not always. Legend yeah, so legend that matters, and so that's why he's on those prayer candles, and on those t shirts that are like whatever, and that's all these wacky things on all the means and that stuff, because the crowd just loves it, no matter what like. It doesn't matter that he's pandering to the perfect crowd. They're gonNA. Fuck and like magic. Like And that perfect crowd was at the White, house this weekend. People are shitting on because they weren't doing social distancing even though there, everybody's saying social distancing everywhere. You look on TV. Nobody's doing it. The numbers are out of control. I think they said that there is over a million cases right now active in the United States ten, thousand, a day or popping up in Florida. Texas is on the list. We are hospitals here. There's actually a story on CNN this morning. That two of the three major hospitals here in San Antonio. have any beds left because of covid nineteen? They're completely filled up one of the doctors last night. He's an emergency room doctor. And Pulmonary specialist. He said that they've been doing this new procedure. Where instead of putting people on a ventilator that they'll actually like remove a lot of their blood now if you're actual doctor and I'm saying it wrong. Fuck You I. don't Care If. They like remove their blood, which sounds very Washington esque getting leeches, and Shit on. You know oxygen. They'll put oxygen in the blood, and then put it back in you, but they only have so much room to do this, so they had five people who needed this treatment. The doctor has to look at what the person does for a living. How old they are their! Their parents and things like this and how how much life expectancy they're supposed to have and decide. The doctor has to decide which of these five people get that treatment. Can you imagine going to the other people's families and being like sorry, they didn't make the cut that is I. Don't want I. Don't want that response. No Fuck beat a doctor. If your doctor hit. That both. We. Know you really smart you really. Shitty podcasting we don't. Do something that makes you a lot of money. Like being an astronaut about being. Right or you could just go. Be Johnny Kim and everything. You went from Johnny Smart Yeah exactly right. He's like this Dr Shits for the birds and not working at Stanford I'm GonNa? Go to space. But that does sound like that blood. kind of like what Lance Armstrong did during his. Piece yeah, cheating of his seven tour De. France wins where they hit. They took blood out and then put it back into them later in the day or something technically bloodletting that technically what it is. Like building. With bloodletting. Blood out right like poisonous blood. Well. They thought it was. Catherine the great last night. You guys seen that show. You mentioned it to me. That's fantastic. She gave herself a little bit of the old fashioned smallpox. Last night allows for. Great. anyways we're. We're at the White House and I always feel bad about bannon numbers because I think band members singing choirs, the boys in blue or the voices and blue. What are the fuck? The Air Force calls them. They always get such a bad rap and they get teased nonstop like they do, and if to me if your life has been banned like if you're a trumpet player Your Saxophone Player your. Your flouted or whatever and a recruiter comes up to you and says hey, we'll basically extend your ban life. Something that you absolutely love. You're going to get paid a decent wage. Get promoted pretty fast in the service, and you're just going to get to play music and maybe do a little gate guard goofing from time to time to me. That's a no brainer. Get to travel the world you get to. Okay sure when you're younger, you look at you like. My parents at bowls them over like the old people can love man, and so I love a good choir. It brings a lot of joy to the oldies and into a lot of us, and they do work really hard. Damn it that. Kate off the top of your head. Oh this is sister. ACT The sister choir. The happy now sister asked good cons. What's yours is going to say? The Harlem Boys Choir Yeah. That's the rick correct answer that one goes to kate, so the official score is. Content wants to. That that was an extra bonus drought, so we're all tied up Trivia. One everybody I've gone. Super Viral on twitter, people are making fun of it so the navy chief that is there. She is the one that's leading the song that we're gonNA. Play in just a second, but I noticed right away. Her hair's out of rags. It is down below her caller. Number allowed to have that, but if you're the navy chief, you're one of the senior enlisted people that are on like the choir team. I would imagine. I don't know if that's what they actually call it. The choir team, but you're on the choir team so when you have a solo that comes up. Can you pull rank there and be like? No I'm singing this solo dister. yeah, I don't know how how it works in the band I think rink goes away and it's all just based on voice I. Don't know. Let's see because we have a beautiful rendition of the opening of. It's a super patriotic virgin. You've probably heard before the opening of the liking here it is. either. Bingo. Right Back. Now, no matter what side of the political aisle you're on I, think we can all recognize the fact that the opening of the Lion King fucking slaps conic. Prairie how old were you? Though because that movie came out, we were all much younger. How old were you when you finally realized they were singing? Actual words just noises, and it's an actual their native language to that region. Healy but I was I believe I was thirty four. Figured out. Second until there's actual subtitles on the bottom. Right right I just thought they're saying some stuff exactly so. Credits ever really nail in that though I, it's Sarah. But people on twitter weren't having it at all. They were very upset about all the things. So, what were they saying? What was the problem? They're just basically saying it was cultural appropriation. The navy shouldn't be involved with that kind of thing. It was just a basic normal. Everything is wrong with everything going. Weird Song Select, you say it's a very odd choice for the way or any any concert for that matter at. In front of the sorry go ahead Kate. Very weird choice and We played a clip of at right back. Yes, okay, who need a clip of it but I saw people saying actually that's that band, or whatever is one of the most diverse in the military and that it was just like that's one of those things where I look at when like corporation does something really dumb or somebody does really don't tweet, but they have a Lotta people around them and like. Why didn't anybody stop and say you know what the way things right now? Maybe not today. Want to know what the process is like. When you're sitting around the roundtable deciding what set list you're going to go to? And it's the fourth of July after White House two precedents there, and you're like the opening of Lion King God Duh. Come on right like I think it might be one of those things where they serve overthink themselves. They go back and forth so many times that they put their minds in a pretzel. Just throw their head and say whatever let's just. It's us. Putting our minds pets on something they usually do. For the kids in the audience or something you know. Maybe it's something that every kid would love that as per usual. It's probably a bunch of adults making a lot of a lot from Bali. Human Being Dick over his in, but. You know you feel for them because. They're probably thinking like all right. We made the best. What we a six people in the audience Mike No I disagree. I think they that stage and they're like hell. Yeah, we killed that line can. That's what I'm saying they. I'm saying they probably really hey. We did the best we could, and then the next day to get online and just see yourself. Getting roasted everywhere has to be really Shitty, and that's why we won't do it. We're not GONNA make fun. We appreciate them and their service and what they do for the country very much for lifting your voices and helping us achieve a patriotic spectacle over the weekend. Let's move onto round number two. This one's a little bit different What's going on with that one, Kate? All Right? There will be nobody screaming in by the way this comes to us from Stars and Stripes, there will be nobody screaming in the face of eighteen year old ellie high school when she arrives Wednesday for training in advance of her first year at the US Coast Guard Academy. School in Connecticut like other service CADDIES and military training centers has made major changes because the coronavirus pandemic that means the eight weeks of boot camp for new cadets known as slob summer. Love that I've cool. Fun Yeah, we'll be much different from when Joanna herself went through one, thousand, nine, hundred one is a fourth class slob, or even, when Elliot's sister Tanna went through two years ago Elliott, and the two hundred, twenty, two, hundred, sixty six other swabs will be arriving, not as one large group, but in eight separate tunes spaced out throughout. Wednesday there will be no haircuts. No drilling, no running as the group goes from place to place no lining up against the wall. Push ups, no issued uniforms the big ceremony at the end. End of the first day parade will be held in front of their families. Not Anymore. It's been canceled so senior Dan Tag, Nettie the slob summer company commander said the training will be any less rigorous. He said his group of Qadri will be taught how to keep everyone safe. Making sure the slobs learn what they need to know. Why is it Daniel just honest? Just be honest like this is. This is going to be different. Everyone in this class is going to be nothing, but a bunch of plus he's yeah. He's at the intensity will still be there just won't be traditional without the proximity in massive things. There are silver lining they see. The pandemic has forced the staff to think about why they normally throw slavs into the line of fire training so quickly whether they have given passes much to absorb at once, so this might be a whole revolution in the way boot camps and stuff done the way they look at things like I don't know who. That from a distance is not getting yelled at who even? You might as well just commission them now. Just go out. Let them into the fleet just now. What's the point of military if you can't Hayes? Thank thank you. You guys are GonNa. Shit on me for this usual, but there was a lot like looking back at my boot camp experience. There was a lot whereas like you know I could've come out. Just fine! Had I not had to bury my face in the sand covered in sunscreen to make sugar cookies making. Maybe it's still would have been. Disagreement. No whether you realize it or not. It tough and I don't know I don't know about that. I feel like there's a lot unnecessary like you know what we probably would have turned out. Use this for actually extra training in this. You, really gonNA. Suck for this girl this article though. It's very rare that. I have memory that POPs into my brain that I. Don't think I had. Shared on the podcast like from military experiences. Let me know if you guys did this to. I'm sure Kyle remembers it so because we went to boot camp around the same time so whenever we would come in from. You. Be Wearing your green skimpy shirt. Green shorts. White socks go fasters, your tennis shoes and one more thing coyote. Remember what it was that you had to wear to PT beside your global. Your. Shit Man I duNno jockstrap. You had to wear a jockstrap. No, no, you didn't have. To wear no on the west coast. We didn't do that because. Well because on the East Coast Bigger Dick so we had to worry about him. So whenever we're going through, you had to wear Jockstrap, so you would do all your PT's. You go running three four or five miles, whatever and then you come back and you get online when you get back to the squad bay while everybody takes showers together so they undress. You address you by the numbers like they'll be. I don't know if you ever did decide within cons where they're like our. Take off your. Take off your shorts right now. You've got ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two one, and you have to have your shorts off then your shirt and then everybody stand in there fucking, but ask naked well once you do that. All your clothes are sitting right in front of you, so then they say former wagon wheel, which means like go around in a circle, and they say go five spots to your right, and so you would go five spice year right. Now put on those fucking close right in front of you, so it'd be somebody else's clothes after. Including their jock straps that what the put on all your? Posture. Still become a great mariah without that. I don't think. Not Saying Weird. This is weird and when you're a big ole fatty, wanted some of the. PFC Winter down at the bottom like. An wear. Big People stop and having run around and that was hilarious. That's great but the problem. The problem that illegal is going to run into assuming in forty years. She graduates from the Coast Guard. Academy years from now every year. At Christmas, her mother and sister are going to torture her mercilessly and say like Oh. You didn't have a real experience when you went through your old swab summer there. 'cause there's nothing more that old grads at all. The academy's like to do then to tell the younger classes. How much harder they had it like right now. The fact that there's air conditioning going in all over the West Point barracks. Soft Song, I didn't have air conditioning. Now you get air? Conditioning must be nice. You will be nice. I'm interested in. Go the like not shooting them uniforms, not whatever I don't know. The hottest Lululemon gear. Checnnya Stratton. Yeah! I point to fuck and drew instructor in the face. Off Sneak up there, and just put on some cool gear and I'll just blend right in. Maybe I'll be in the soft summer Gino. What concept about people saying that they had? A rough time is absolutely right where you're going to go back and be like Oh. My time was worse. You know who had the biggest bragging rights of some people of all time. The folks who were born in one, thousand, nine hundred came across a post. This weekend I want to tell you about this post listen. Sane life was for somebody who was born in one, thousand, nine hundred, so if you were born in one thousand, nine hundred when you were fourteen years old war, want starts and ends on your eighteenth birthday with twenty two million people getting killed later in that same year Spanish flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you're twenty. Fifty million people die from it in those two years fifty million. When you're twenty nine years old, get a little nine year reprieve when you're twenty nine year old. The Great Depression begins unemployment hits. Twenty five percent. Global GDP drops twenty-seven percent that Rosato. You're thirty three years old. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy, and when you're thirty nine war, two starts, and you aren't even over the hill yet when you're forty one. The United States is fully pulled. Pulled in World War, two between your thirty nine and forty fifth birthday, seventy five people, seventy five million people perished in the world, and the Holocaust kill six million at fifty two Korean War starts and five billion people perish at sixty four. The Vietnam War begins, and it doesn't end for years. Four million people died in that comment and approaching your sixty second birthday. You have the Cuban missile crisis, a tipping point in the cold world and life on our planet is. Very, well be over then you turn seventy five. The non were finally ends. At seventy five years old. You've seen all of that shit. Well that's tough and then make it to one hundred September eleventh happens, and you die and grandkids are like you don't know how to use a remote on the TV Grupo. You fucking idiot. You have apples on the road like go round. Man Come on, people being. Tortured so slow drive and Moose. Rule Grant Paul Moses so. Yeah, thanks could be worse. You know these. 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One I've only had one coffee, but I feel like I'm ready to go fly a shit ton of caffeine running through my veins, and I love our move onto round number three. This one comes to US courtesy of task and purpose. We'll get into this story because it is mother fucking crazy all walk us through that one on the night of April twenty, six two thousand eight, a U H Sixty Black Hawk delivered US Army Rangers to a grassy field in Iraq as the soldiers took their positions beneath the sending helicopters, a heavy barrage of small arms, fire began whipping in through the tall grass. The company of the Alpha Company Second Battalion. Seventy Fifth Ranger Regiment had arrived on a mission to find and eliminate al Qaeda cell. Now. They were being ambushed by a group of insurgents less than fifty meters away, which came off. The top of your head is how many feet four hundred. Hundred and fifty. To the rangers down almost immediately one with a life, threatening gunshot would the guy that got hit was a real good friend of mine, and he called out to me specialist Joe Gibson. He later told the US Army Special Special Operations Command in a report published by the military blog black five me, and another guy moved him. I had medical equipment, so I started. Started getting that prepped while other people started taking care of him, we got we got him ready Pash them up and started moving out with the casualty, evacuated gifts in return to his squad, and the Rangers continue their mission. The gunfire had died down as he to the chest high grass. Now I remember what this looked like and felt like you couldn't see shit. Hardly walk in it. It was oftentimes very soggy and would stick to the bottom of your boots. You couldn't move quietly couldn't move quickly and that's something that people in the Ranger Battalion. When you're under the cover of darkness, WanNa, do so silent deadly. You want to be able to go as quietly through night operations as you possibly can. This grass made that nearly impossible. After taking a few more steps, he turned to make sure that it wasn't garbage that he hadn't stepped on. At least not in the literal sense. What a line there from task purpose! Was An minor armed with an AK forty seven. He didn't say anything other than giving his work. He had an advantage on me. I didn't have a chance to get my rep weapon up and I knew he was gonNA shoot me, so I dived on him. The insurgents rifle was raised, but gibson madison knocked the muzzle to the side, just off went off unable to raise his own weapon. Gibson tackled the man to the ground and began pounding him with his fist. He ripped off my helmet and all my. So I couldn't see that well. As a two men fought in almost total darkness, Gibson felt the insurgent, reaching down for something on his belt Gibson. Figured it was a knife, but the man yelled bomb. He realized that it was a detonated a suicide vest when Gibson lunch for the detonator, the insurgent maneuvered around began choking him, fearing us about the pass out Gibson rear back and delivered one more Bo that connected at the top of the temple, and knocked the insurgent out Gibson was awarded the Silver Star for his action that night, and he said that Rangers are are the admiral that gave it to him, said that the Rangers are proven over and over again in battle. I had to read the part where he knocked the guy out a couple of times that. Punch like think about all the USC fights that you've seen the mixed martial arts fight. It sounds like the way that reads as the insurgent had him essentially in a rear naked choke. He was behind him in a rear, naked, choke position, and somehow from that position. He knocked him out with a punch behind his head. It's. Believable. Without. Uses that as life hand, and he get your sweet low on every artery chop. Yeah, yeah, put the movies or a full Baloney. Anyone, who actually? Does. The funniest up you watch movies you see someone, get punched and they fall down. That's that actually really what happens it very rare that you punch someone and they just go down so for him to deliver Mazda Worse. It true. Unless you're able to the fact that he was able to deliver enough force to knock this guy out and get himself. REEFA marine naked joke is very important. We need to get him on the show because if he. Will stay on the record that he wasn't wearing the hard knuckle gloves. Oakley hard knuckle gloves that you could wear like operators where I'll them Oh five hundred bucks. Did that straight up, Knox. How is he not in the May? Unbelievable powerful punch. Maybe he had going on, but US ladies do we walk through a dark parking garage? Maybe his car keys between his knuckles. You know. Maybe he was already ready going through they're. His Humvee keys between his knuckles. All have the same issue with this article as enter everybody else who read it did not respected Gibson. Called his Kevlar Helmet. What is that a Puck Easter egg basket? Are we sure we believe the sky? How was he? The fucking tall grass tulips. You're can have the most incredible story. Ever say one little different than some like military heart is like actually. It's called Rightful Dot Gov. Slash. Absar that'd be a moonbeam aluminum. Extinct you just called it. A pence took a sip of water from my canteen out water source. Probably, actually came back. I hate it in my mind, he said how's it? How's it going? Become. Exact. If he's in the Ranger Regiment, though there's a good chance if we're just hearing about this now that he had to keep quiet about this story for the longest time, what a waste! For the last twelve years guy could have been drinking for free and every bar. He walked into an only now. It's one hundred twenty when the bars aren't even open. Start telling this story. Yeah, one that I would have that task purpose article printed out laminated. It'd be like can I see your. I D sure. Oh. That's something else. Yeah, that's me in the story, but don't worry about it. Oh! I beat some terrorists. No worries. Me knows inappropriate thought of. I. Don't think I could say it. Kyle be ready to cut this. GonNa Keep In Mind I want to be disrespectful Amer gross or problems. Are you going to say Okay No God. No. Completely different scenario there's a ass. Soldier out there who? is an Qaeda guy was. Never mind you got to. Is. Getting Finger blessed wondering. Is this the murder in? Now is way worse than I I was going to be. THOUGHT WE'RE GONNA. Be Speaking in generalities and you win real specific. Listening What. The murder weapon tells you at the bar like let's go, and then you get like. Oh! Digits. Was this. The jump off. Raise this. Shot. Tarsus in metatarsal and the lady to do so. Yeah well shot against. This is around number four where we. Can't do it. Let's move on around him before I have a quiz for you guys. About Independence Day, which hopefully won't be as problematic as kate slash? Question Number One here on. Jeopardy, which is back again? We have ten questions lined up to celebrate American. Yeah here we go this this quiz coast to us. Courtesy of our good friends, not maybe stool. There might be some stories in this group. It's from the AM RPG which we are big fan of here. What historical event do American celebrate on July Fourth? Is it official signing of the Declaration of Independence George Washington's birthday, the first shots of the American revolution or the formal adoption of the Declaration of independence. Kate. What is the formal adoption of the knockoff and that is correct is. One all if you'll score here, that is one to nothing so far. Kate Win The fireworks I use in the wind where fireworks, I, use the official Fourth of July celebration. 1777, Eighteen, twelve, eighteen, seventy, six, or one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one. Evening. Kate again, Eighteen, seventy six. That is incorrect tune. What is one, thousand, nine, hundred one? That is also incorrect. To there is seventeen seventy seven in seventeen, seventy seven congress authorized the use of fireworks to help mark the first anniversary of the Declaration of Independence Celebration took place in Philadelphia and also included bonfires and Kate's favorite bells. Kate Loves I. Thought You were going to say dumpster pools know that in the tradition to shout out our good friend meek mill which President I held the Fourth of July celebration at the White House. Would Be George Washington John Adams Thomas Jefferson or James, Madison. Kate what is Thomas? Jefferson Thomas Jefferson is correct. That is correct. Kate to cons zero sleep at the wheel. Will. Clear that Chas favors you and he gives you the. Audio Kyle. I'm going right. Take out that one. Through me integrity violator. First round of fire watched for cons so. which new spray's paper I printed? The declaration of Independence was at the Philadelphia Eagle The New York Times the Pennsylvania Evening Post or the national enquirer. Hey. Unless, contract was actually trying to ring in. Was that a official? China ringing tons? Yeah, that was an official try to ring in okay, and it was at that Philadelphia newspaper you mentioned Eagle, or the evening post the evening post. That is correct two to one tar K.. Interesting interesting which to US presidents died on July fourth in the same year. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams James Monroe and Martin van. Buren Willard fill more an Andrew Johnson William Howard Taft and Warren g harding. Cons. A, the third one fill more and the other guy. That is incorrect kate. The second one. That is incorrect the correct answer as Thomas. Jefferson and John Adams. Dot within hours of each other. In Eighteen, twenty six jefferson was eighty-three and John. Adams was ripe old age of ninety years old at the time, which US president was born on Independence Day Calvin coolidge longtime sue James. Buchanan Lifted be Johnson or Ronald Reagan. When in who is Lyndon Johnson? That is incorrect kate. and. Like it's. The First Guy Calvin coolidge. That is correct. Correct Answer Yeh. Google and stuff my hands free under stealing you three to one. K. Are thirty two. Three two two. Three two to what is the estimated number of people living in the thirteen colonies on July fourth, seventeen, seventy six was at two point, five million people, nine million people, fifteen million people or thirty million. Two point five two point, five million people is correct. That makes the score three two three. With Catherine and cons, all tied up. We have three questions ago. When did the fourth of July become? A federal holiday? was that in seventeen, seventy, seven, eighteen, seventy, eighteen, seventy six, or in fact, it's a state holiday. Not a federal holiday didn't. I one, seventeen, seventy seven. That is incorrect. What is eighteen, seventy, six, eighteen, seventy six is? Incorrect! The correct answer is eighteen. Seventy honest reaffirmed the holiday in nineteen, thirty eight mandated full pay for all federal employees on the day. So we're still tired of just two questions to go. Which of the following was not one of the original thirteen American colonies Vermont. Georgia Massachusetts or North Carolina. John's. What is Georgia? That is incorrect, Kate. What does show me your hands? What is I WANNA. Say North Carolina, but it feels tricky. What is? Reminds always been like fuck. You guys do what I want, but I feel for months Dylan throughout flaggy. The other one. So you have Vermont Massachusetts North Carolina left. Goes North Carolina. Even though my heart, saying that is incorrect, the correct answer is ver- mind you. Bitches I. Knew The other ten where Connecticut. Delaware Maryland New Hampshire New Jersey. New York Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina Virginia and the colonies became the third I thirteenth State Vermont was the fourteenth on March fourth, seventeen, ninety one, and finally the tenth question unbelievable. This is a per all the all the potato say what baseball player through a four two zero, no hitter against the Boston Red Sox on July Fourth Nineteen, eighty-three was it Jim Palmer of the Baltimore Orioles Orel Hershiser. The Los Angeles Dodgers Jack Morris of the Tigers are Dave Righetti of the New York Yankees become. You can't forget it's getty. That is correct. Dave Righetti of the New York Yankees Kate wins again. That makes a total score three to one or three two I guess 'cause I gave cons the bonus round earlier in the show. Officials tour. The official score. That's Zebra jeopardy. Let's do a little music before we get super depressed in round number five. Is Man. Is. Career. Is. Man. A! The. This one we recorded it on Wednesday of last week, and we went into a little bit of the details of Vanessa Gins horrific story, and we have been getting more and more information. After we were done recording, we got news that her body had been recovered, and that she was indeed pronounced dead, and that they had forensic evidence that it was her. We came across and I got a hold of one of the the police reports not only the police report, but the federal lawsuit that is going to take place. With Mickey and family, and what some of the things that are alleged in this complaint are. It's nothing short of shocking, but I think that people need to understand so they get the gravity of it because a lot of times when somebody's picture is circulated. Like Vanessa, when go through something horrifically, we see the picture and we know some of the details, but we don't know the full story behind it. It almost becomes a mean. Vanessa Gin Vanessa Gin and you understand that there was something sexual involved. There's an assault that was involved. There's murder involved, but the despicable behind this act, and the temp- did not only not not necessarily a cover up, but the inaction on the part of the United States army to me is exceedingly gross, and it's something that we need to call the light to because all of these facts if they actually come to. To light that these are the facts in the way they took place I. Do not understand how it is possible for them to not rightly conclude that she was taken and murdered right away. The evidence is overwhelming as you're about to hear I'M GONNA. Go through this and a lot of it is pretty shocking to hear on the night of April. Twenty third US army was notified by Catherine the Regimental Provost Marshal's Office. That Vanessa had been reported missing by her unit a week. A witness statement said that Pfc. Left the arm rooms where she was working to visit the arms room in another location at Fort Hood one controlled by a specialist named, Aaron Robinson in order to confirm serial numbers for weapons and equipment. The witness various find that the Pfc. Who has gained left the arms room without any you of her us. Army Identification, Card her bank card or her keys that were attached to her barracks keys. The witness stated that property was still in the arms room when she secured the arms room for the day. A search of PFC phone records revealed the last going outgoing texts from her phone was to specialist Robertson's phone specialist Robertson Robinson was one of the last people known to have seen PSE GIN. On, April, twenty th twenty second Robinson stated that he attacks again to inform her that he was in the arms room, and she had read serial numbers for equipment, and afterwards he gave her the paperwork for fifty caliber machine gun. He left the arms room, and he believed that she had gone next to the motor pool with the motor pool, prepared to receive the paperwork from Pfc. Qian stated that she never arrived to give him that paperwork. Among the other things concerning the activities was Robinson said that after he fishes work, he went off post to his residence with his girlfriend, whose name is Sicily and did not leave. The rest of the evening to witnesses were interviewed, who stated that they observe pulling large tough box with wheels that appear to be very heavy weight coming out of the arms room, the same room where Robinson worked the two witnesses observed, Robinson load the tough box into his vehicle and drive away. Robinson consented to a search of the cell, phone. And a review of the phone logs revealed that Robinson called Aguilar who Sicily multiple times during the night as sometimes his latest three thirty in the morning. Robinson also received call from Aguilar throughout the day he was interviewed and said that she went with Robinson. The she was with Robinson all the night, and she was asked why he would call her after midnight if he was in the residents, and she stated that she could not find her calls, but the investigation went on to prove that some of those calls were lasted longer than a minute like. If you're trying to help somebody, find your phone. Obviously, you're not gonNA stay on the phone with them if they're in the same residents, is you while they? What they can do investigations now is crazy so essentially all summarize from here. They the people. The investigators tracked the cell phone of this woman Sicily and Robinson and found that they went to a bridge they went, and they pinpointed the location of where there's two cell phones where they are with each other. The entire time they went to this location on the bridge found Earth that was. Messed with they dug down deep, and found the tough box with her her remains on the inside, and then eventually Sicily broken, said yes, I helped him dispose of the body, and this is the guy that eventually killed himself. Having all these witness statements that they observe this guy who harassed her multiple times, and was charged with and was investigated for sexual, harassing her before and not jumping to the conclusion right away. Something is very very wrong is insane to me. That's like the natural progression of what goes on. He was the last person to talk to her. She never showed. We're WHO's supposed to be. He moved a large heavy box. What else fucking? Do you need to know to really get the investigation going? And it was that was her asking too I thought it was a sergeant, but was it also him. It was him to yes. Multiple, times yeah, night sometimes latest three o'clock in the morning. Harassing the story is just absolutely gutting. On on their way, they're like looking for her body. After the News Story Win essentially viral, they found another body the from Fort Hood as well what the fuck is going on! This is the thing to and so the family is is you're saying the lawsuit? 'CAUSE getting into that part? They're upset that they were not informed of any of this stuff. Along the way they were kind of kept in the dark. It didn't seem like they're doing enough. And so the family of Gregory Morales. This is the other soldier that you're talking about who was found when they were searching for again. And right now they are also trying to call attention to this. They're fighting for him to get a military funeral according to k. x v TV when Morales disappeared in August Twenty nineteen, the army listed it as desertion now Morales is family is responsible for the cost of the funeral, and he will not receive a proper military burial. Now that they have found the body. He was not a wall or a deserter. He was murdered. His Mom said he deserves. All the honors are to a soldier. He end of his military service was due to be finalized within a couple of days of his disappearance, so he was still an active soldier when he disappeared instead, they just cut off his staff and said he's gone. They didn't look for him. Really or anything so Morales Brother said the army's waiting for autopsy results, but it won't be clear if his deserter status is GonNa. Stay unless he has been dead for ten months. That's what saying there so. It just so crazy to me that the families have to fight for stuff like this when it so. I don't know it's just crazy to me, so I feel like Fort Hood has a lot of eyeballs on them right now and. Not going great, so get your Shit. About the command there and what they're an action was, and there's other stories that's coming out that there was a lieutenant colonel who was in the air force retired, and she works at a school in Wisconsin. I believe in Michigan and she was making comments of how Jew possibly deserved it like. That's the price for joining the boys club. Is that you sexually harass and that's. It's also women in leadership who were part of the problem for sure hands down and. Other over right for for speaking out and saying that is an issue and be like. Oh, no, I'm so tough that I don't even notice that type of thing the fuck up right. Yeah, there's won't go back real quick to something you said about. How do you not make that logical conclusion? Having done investigations where soldiers are. Dead you have to interview a bunch of people and and go through everything they're still that natural human inclination to lean one way and have your thoughts. You don't WanNa get so predetermined that you cloud your your own judgement, but there's certain things that are just unmistakable that. You're saying there. You can't jump to conclusions, but there is not legally wrong with like sounding the alarm like yeah, let's freak out we're. We'd freak out if there's envy or rifles missing late, Rick, the fuck out because a soldier has a showed up and. She wasn't a bad soldier. It's not like she was having problems in that. You think that she is going to go awol. There was any inclination that she was going to go awol. I can see if there's a story of somebody who was constantly in trouble, and she was out there all the time he was out there all the time and saying I'm not going to show up the work. Fuck fuck this, and then when they don't show up then I think your natural conclusion would be oh well. They did it. They Win Awol. They show up to work. There was no inclination that this was going to happen. Yeah, but you know so. I was a when when I did my last investigation. If I found the evidence that you mentioned earlier I, would immediately we alert someone higher than me, but hey, there could be some to attentional very bad things going on here, so we need to get on and look into it Milan more closely than just maybe one person going around trying to this one where you not only just go after the not to the person next your chain of command, but also their next person just am absolutely. Make sure if you're not getting the answers right away. This is a big fucking deal man, and you know I think there are going to be changes made by this. Houston San Antonio Austin several meet El Castle on. Sunday, they all held justice for Vanessa. I don't know if you call it. Protest marches, and they got tons in hundreds and hundreds of people at each one, and they're calling for big time changes in culture in the military, and they're calling out the military history of unchecked sexual violence against men and women men, too, and if you look at the numbers, holly over on more men than women are getting, it's. It's actually salted in facing stuff like that, too. It's it's just not the whole thing. Culture needs to change and we'll. We'll one thing about the culture to I. Don't know if you've ever even talked about this. But when it comes from stories, the local command is so involved investigations and a lot of times like not even trying to be disrespectful, the cons, but being like. That's not your background. Your background your training is. Exactly, that's not what you were trained to your and artillerymen. That's feeling a billet and the next thing you know you're helping. Investigate a fucking murder unimagined imagine I was I was I was working in the s three shop. The operation shopping I just got tagged to go. Be This investigating officer with the fuck. You're doing knowing. Knowing the way gossip goes around a unit, and it does no matter what you say from every rank everything to have to report your sexual assault or harassment. Your unit, which is almost like a like that to me is the where the military is so fucking backwards on that all that shit to be never be within the command that. Automatic anything that's. That's normal HR. Issues should be outside of your command. Direct training commands jurisdiction like anything like even if you have to have like brother and sister commands, or whatever where you have go next door, and you talk to different battalion commander, who doesn't affect your promotion doesn't affect your. Grading on how you perform as a soldier sailor marine, there's gotta be something that changes along the way, but the military does this kind of thing all the time where me at the time I was twenty seven years old or twenty, seven twenty six something like that, and in charge of things I had no idea. What I was doing. What I've really the tournament since I have turned like I'm almost thirty eight. Is it most of the serious positions that you have in life? You don't know what the fuck you're doing. I have no clue how to be a radio host. I have no clue how to host a podcast. What issues we should stay on how long we should stay on what line of topic we should get into their. And you're asking these young people who content at the time twenty, four twenty five to be involved in a murder. Investigation when that's not your expertise is in. The investigation. I did with the dead socially. It was in overdose, but even still like there's certain things you see. If they hadn't from the beginning and they should. What's on your side on? Any of these investigation, no matter what that's like you know I studied a little a little law, but going and asking these questions like. Not. On A. Level not like even. Even if you weren't actual attorney that had passed the bar at that young of an age with that level of expertise, you just don't know. We asked people in military uniform to perform these tasks that they really have no idea what the fuck they're doing, and it is life and death as we see here, and you make the wrong decision. The wrong decisions were made here and people need to be held account. We this needs to be something that changes the scope and how we look at military justice. Widespread. Changes have needed to be made for a long time. Hopefully, this is one that really gets the ball going because it's got national attention now, and that is the only calming affected. A story like that happens is when it happens like this. People pay attention so that hopefully it'll never fucking happen again. That's our only hope that we can really have here. Yeah, so that story has been weighing heavily I think not just on our minds like the host of this show, but we've gotten tons of deums about it from specifically women who are very moved. Are saying very clearly that this could have been them at any point during their military careers, and I find that to be heartbreaking. Yeah, it's wild I. Think we're all getting those dams. I think especially me. Women feel like they can reach out and I'm also getting DM's from women who are I'm going to boot camp in a few months. Should I still do this. I'm I'm terrified now I'm this. I'm that because they're seeing everything and. I'm like what the fuck do I say except the military needs strong women to keep changing the culture and you know, get in there and stand up for yourself and. Do the best that you can and I think there was just this article also tasking purpose about a corporal who's stationed in Okinawa. New was originally from Russia. She was adopted brought to the US and she is kicking ass. Taking names, and not allowing any of that should decide, and she's kind of starting a whole new culture. There of fuck with us. Your thought Donna care. What rank? You're whatever so I don't know I I have to look up her name, but fucking bad. She's trying out for I think mar soccer something in the coming weeks, twos, just super bad ass and like. Really getting people can say I'm a bitch, or whatever, but I'm done taking shit on teaching, other women around me not to either like let's go so I think slowly, but surely women are rising up and they shouldn't have to, but I think. Our culture, change is on the way I'm fortunate and horrible that takes. Nightmare scenarios like this and thinking of Gins family, and so many other families out there, but I do think changes is happening, so I agree or let's move on to save rounds. Alibis consoles. Start with you. All right some news this weekend. Kanye West. Put himself out there. He will be running for president in twenty twenty your thoughts. We won't. ALMA. That's. I? Here there's there's things that govern who who can actually do this, but I just find it so funny because there's so many people who saw that and so excited, honestly not the worst choice I would vote for Iraq right now. I tree, or no, no just. A ball of stone. That's where I met. Yeah. That's all I got. That's all I. got you okay, Kate nothing I'm today I. Today's the first day by the time he tomorrow. Oliveri but going into work for live radio for the first time since March early the first thing of March. Maybe it still works I. don't even know yeah, so kind of excited for that. I think going forward I'm. GonNa work from. From home all day, go into, do radio for an hour and come home i. can try Viking I'm going to try to in the bicycle thing every day and see how that goes, so maybe drop a couple BS getting a little bit of shape I will be ripping a heat erotic. Do it so stadium excited to see sweaty mess Katie and the radio. Offerings and baby wipes. I'll do it old school there. You go dude wipes shower kyle. Nothing for me. Just a happy everyone had a safe fourth and. Excited to see you know you guys get back on live radio and. Just just day Dale around really. I also WANNA give huge shut out to my new friend Raymond. Who was the guy who owned workshop Raymond Absolute? Wildcard he did everything that you would think. A Texas construction worker would do do did not give a fuck. It was July fourth. Didn't care was out there? July fourth with his birthday, too, and he was out there just grinding all day. Day Long building this shed, no plans justice circular saw a drill a level. A T square in that's it. That's the only tools that he had to put up this entire ore Nilgun to put up this entire shed and two days I also had an electrician come out. These dudes are out here on the fourth of July as well digging a trench. Cons. Let's say we'll go with you. You're digging. A trench that has to be eight feet deep are eight inches eight inches. Eight inches deep. What tool are you using? To do it's fifty feet long eight inches deep in Texas oil. You gotTA use some more heavy duty than a shovel because I think that that's kind of petard yeah. I think it'd probably be a multitude of tools something to break up the soil and then something to to lift it out unless you also have sprinkler system, so you can't use anything too heavy because it can cut through it, Kyle Arcade. What's get your opinion? What would you use? Tiller rototiller good Cockayne. I'm using a pickaxe with the big long non ASCII end because I've dug some trenches in my day in those are very useful. That's a good one, too. I think that would worked better than what these files had. So the answer is these guys came out and they do it every day, so you can't say that what they do. They don't know what they're doing. With a regular all Claw Hammer. They just had hammers, and they're going at the ground to hammers at the same time boom boom, like fucking monkeys, and it's like beaten on one of those drums. And they they went fifty feet I. Swear to God with these Claw Hammers, eight inches deep, and like twenty five minutes. It was unbelievable how efficient they were. Well do something all the time. You get good at it and you make it look easy. It's just like a professional athlete hitting a baseball or shooting a three pointer. They just do it so much. They make it look easy. These guys are no different than the professional athletes dig trenches, but but having talking to these folks in sounding like I knew anything about anything was such an incredible moment for me when I'm asking him to put in electricity and he's like. Oh well! How much amperage does your salt your? Your table saw I'm like that's a fifteen amps saw. We're going to have to get an like just talking through those things I feel like I got a lot lower of a price because they thought I knew what I was doing like I had piles avoided my yard for things that I'm building I had a some of my tools out. That were out there, so they didn't just come in and think they're going to bamboozle me, so I got a lot better deal than I would have in the past. That's always good and real quickly I just also want to give a shoutout stool. Listener, Daniel, who built me a lifeguard? Yeah, I saw that. Follower and I thought he was trolling me whenever he said that he built that for you, but he did. It looks that's awesome. I love that Kate came by on. A Friday afternoon dropped, drops it off in it and it looks great guy. I bet fucking Joe thought that you were kindling are big. Al Thought you're going out there. That super slowly. Drop something. Buy You a gift like that. He was like. My son works. That's what it spans. They're bringing chairs. That's what they. What movies that he's doing. He's making an argument Oh yeah, that's good men as well as making argument he's doing. He's doing. That's the another show on the retreat. We'll. All stay. Really. Drinking. Margaritas. Aaron. Over here are. San Rats. All back in shock back shakes. Read. Anger. Get bail full. To forgive. Thanking out though. From the. Guy. On the Spanish steps day you said goodbye. Just a board. Own Worse by. The bunny. Reason. Would not. Stand up. Face! The true. Can't walk away from trouble but I can't along away from WHO. Put Him. I! Head. Going up. Spanish steps. Instead. Spain. Out to comb. The Ray. 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Bruce Bochy on Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn and Madison Bumgarner

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

53:49 min | 7 months ago

Bruce Bochy on Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn and Madison Bumgarner

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. This is baseball tonight. Podcast for Wednesday April eight. Two Thousand Twenty. I'm buster only working from my home studio in New York killers. Wink is working from his home. Studio in Connecticut and tail. Today is a big day in baseball history forty-six anniversary of the biggest events in baseball history. What off the. I know you're not as big of a baseball design but off the top of your head. What do you think the remember what? It was forty six years ago so that was on. That's a hell of a hand so I'm thirty. So we're talking. And nineteen seventy three or seventy four. I have no idea. Buster literally zero clue. Okay well listen to this ball. And no Dr Aaron waiting out the beep straightaway fastball. Better deal clock Marvelous Marvin for baseball marvelous moments for Atlanta and the state of Georgia. What marvelous moment for the country in the world a black man is getting a standing ovation in the deep south or breaking a record of all time. Baseball idle added a great moment for all of us and particularly for him rearm. Yup that's right the anniversary the day when Hank Aaron Broke Babe. Ruth's all time home. Run Records April Eighth Nineteen seventy four. It happening Atlanta Taylor. I was ten years old and you know I told you. I grew up on a dairy farm. So I'd get up early. Four thirty five o'clock to go to the barn every day and I fell asleep before that took place but my mom wonderful late mom who really was the one who got me interested in baseball because she bought me a book on Sandy Koufax when I was eight years old. She left me a note on the kitchen table the morning after and she described it how what happened and Hank Aaron broke babe. Ruth's record and she just had one sentence and it said. The crowd cheered and I always think of finding that. Note the morning after and being so excited about About what Hank Aaron did. That's so funny. I you know as soon as you said like you fell asleep and that you're you started saying your mom in my first thought was what my parents would do is pop in a videotape and record something on TV and that just wasn't an option back in the day no and we didn't even have television. She listened to we. We had nothing but radio until I finally overpowered by parents wanted his fifteen and got to watch some got to watch the world series on television. Wow Different Times speaking of legends. Today we're going to be talking with former giants manager. Bruce Bocce Future Hall of Famer. He's got tons of stories and a strong feeling about whether he wants to manage again and stories about. Pete Rose Tony Gwynn. Buster Posey's ten. Let's go Madison Bumgarner Paul Hembekides will join us. Because he's got stuff on Bruce Bochy in the aftermath of reports that Major League Baseball on the Players Association have been discussing a plan to begin to play in Arizona in May Major League Baseball issued a statement which went along these lines. Mlb has been actively considering numerous contingency plans that would allow play to commence once the public health situation has improved to the point that it is safe to do so while we have discussed the idea of staging games at one location as one potential option. We've not settled on that option or developed a detailed plan while we continue to interact on a regular basis with governmental and public health officials. We've not sought or received approval of any plan from federal state or local officials or the players association before we get to coach in. Have you talked to Hembo about the quote Unquote Arizona Plan? Check out the latest episode of the Bill Barnwell. Show Barnwell is joined first by Todd. Mcshay as the to discuss the process of scouting quarterbacks than Bill Connolly joins Barnwell to breakdown. Joe Burroughs writes from transfer quarterback to the likely first overall pick. Fight it where we get your podcast jumping into the numbers. Valuating millions of leases data in league playing the avs Cincinnati by do bites. This is Hembo knows. Hembo is palling bikinis a researcher at ESPN D- He is a on the show. Get up he tells us he's the head Honcho. We've not been able to confirm that Hembo I can tell you. There are a lot of theories around baseball yesterday that That that story about the potential games being played in Arizona in very specific sites having bio dome type situation with fifteen hundred members of teams basically locked down to play a bunch of games. There are a lot of theories around the sport yesterday that that was a trial balloon and I think it fell flat. What'd you think I I get the same sense not dissimilar to the trial balloon. It floated just a few weeks ago prior regarding the new playoff format in some sense but to stick to the point. Here buster. I I would say when I read the headline. Mlb plans for May start in Arizona. I guess my first sort of Cynical reaction was or the also going to announce that they're releasing a vaccine because sure because short of that. I don't know how on Earth could happen then. I read the piece and after reading the piece. I think the way I would best describe. Their plan is way overly ambitious. I think that's how I would describe it to be clear. I like the thinking I like. The fact that they're willing to think creatively and outside the box and radically differently because these are unprecedented times. And we know that. But when you boil all the variables together it seems extraordinarily unlikely to me that they could pull anything close to this together. So those are I was supposed to be a fourth generation pharmacists. Okay until you gotTa Diene Chemistry. I talked to my dad yesterday about this. He said he's a scientist at Astra Zeneca. He was fooled by the plant. He he describes me as irresponsible. He thinks it is unfathomable to think that people could be playing baseball as early as next month. His best guess is late in the summer. Which is I think more in line to what you know the rest of us are hearing and to to to put it as clearly as I could and chatting with him in in reading some other Science on the matter what would have to happen. Essentially as everyone would need to be tested in order to get this improved like all everybody. Fifteen hundred people like you said which would be close to impossible given the current testing Climate and then those people would not be exposed to anything and to be able to control the behavior of fifteen hundred human beings over the course of four and a half months. I think is is next to impossible. I I would agree with you. You Know I. I wrote a column on Sunday about how I understand. This sort of reflexive push for sports leads to get back and we saw after nine eleven how it came back and it was. It was so healing for for New York and for folks around the country to the distraction of baseball and other sports which is something the White House really wanted and the White House right now. You'd probably want that. But there's one enormous difference between the stituation after nine eleven the situation. Now you made reference to it. You can't tell the players that you can keep them safe. You can't tell players you know that you're going to protect them and I tweeted out over the weekend that if I were a player by first question would be about this bio dome idea. Are The owners? GonNa be in there to our donors going to be in in in with us and taking the same risks short of that I wouldn't entertain it also say this quickly. The there are two things that weren't mentioned that piece that I think the first thing they said suggest after I read it. One one about the minor leaguers right. They weren't made mention of once. We just GONNA as other careers in the seasons at the very least of all these minor league just a wash and secondly major league baseball would have to make spitting punishable by fine like this. That is one of the one of the ways in which is most easily transmitted. Imagine watching baseball game without spinning. That's another that's another sort of a caveat to this that I thought was interesting and probably worth bringing up when we finally end up having this conversation in more. I give me some reflections on alkaline. The hall of Famer but more than that and you. You saw the reaction after. He passed away to what a great person he was. Yeah Alcohol Caitlin was One of the good guys. He was my grandfather's favorite player. My grandfather rooted for the Detroit. Tigers grew up in North West Ohio and so I got to hear lots of stories about alkaline and and revered is probably the best way to put it like. He's he's one of very He's a he's a rare breed one of very few people whose asked anonymous with the city for whom he played as anyone in any sport and it was so refreshing to see the outpouring of of love for my. I read an extraordinary Open the Detroit. Free press with extremely an enormous detail and it is you know. We talked about alkaline as a player just last week because Jim Kaat spoke so highly of him as a player. On Your podcast. But there's a few things that really Stuck out to me about alkaline. Buster's the player first of all was honestly remember him as being prodigious to sign a contract that they after you graduate high school and then appear a week later in the game is a pretty extraordinary thing he remains to this day. The youngest player to ever win about about title and I think the the best story that I read. That really speaks to who he was as a person was in nineteen sixty eight. He missed as you recall a lot of time with an injury and the Tigers went up in the world series that year and he volunteered to take himself out of the lineup despite being their best player and instead they played on four hundred and the world series and was bigger reason why they wanted anybody. But that's the kind of person he was. He was Unselfish to a fault on those he never wanted to. Mvp He he's a person who I think he was very much overlooked In some sense in an base in in the in the scope of time period baseball because there was dominated by the Yankees but a tremendous person a great player and it was nice. It sort of has his to see his moment in a more time this week. It was sad but it was. It was refreshing. Yeah it was one of those reactions. Though is absolutely universal that people really liked him and respected him for the type of person that he was. We're going to be hearing from Bruce Bochy and his second. What was your biggest takeaway from the interview? Which we we sent you a sneak preview of it and he was talking about Tony. Gwynn the Tis. Tony Gwynn stuff was extraordinary and I have to admit that I didn't ever study Tony. Gwynn's career in in in the sense sort of broke it down to before and after. He embraced hitting for power. But I was overwhelmed with the number that I saw. And you'll hear Bruce Bocce an interview talk about this so in the final eighteen career. That's ages thirty four. Through forty one he talks in a five hundred slugging percentage. That's the exact same. Slugging percentage as Fred. Mcgriff did during that time just for some context number fourteen percent higher than it was early in his rear went theoretically he would have been hitting for more power and to provide a little bit more perspective on on what that is it a player of that age or or older thirty four older the higher slugging percentage and Ken Griffey Junior Mel Ott Reggie Jackson Willie mccovey posted and the seasons. And as you'll hear Bruce Bocce say he did it without sacrificing power buster during that time. Twenty Gwin batted three fifty six only up for a higher batting average twenty when after the age of thirty three as you said. He got better with age when he gets truly embrace it for a little bit. More power and spitting on the baseball. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Bring this up and I didn't tell you this coming. There's one swing that I vividly remember. Vividly remember illustrating this point. Buster the game one of the Nineteen Ninety. Eight world. Series threw a fastball. His fist and Tony Gwynn sputtered around a hit off the third deck and got. It was a rocket I if I felt like I hit the deck. Like three seconds that. That is a swing. That best illustrates the hitter. That twenty Gwin became. And obviously as you'll hear that There was Ted Williams in some sense that inspired him to do it. Yeah boats tells that story about being in the same room with Tony Gwynn. Ted went my goodness. I can't imagine how much I if you ask for. Charity auction having someplace how much money would generate. Wow that's really cool all right. So what? What are your favorite numbers. Have Bruce Bocce. So the thing most about bocce especially in listen to the interview. His temperament and I truly believe his temperament had a real effect on those giants team. That won three world series. In Five Years Bruce Bocce went five five and Oh in his managing career in postseason winner. Take all games and as team bus outscored. Their opponents twenty nine six in those games. The ultimate tenant one with the giants when facing elimination in a portion of this I think truly is how he managed his bullpens and I do believe that. His personality played in In performance in an tangible way and the giants three World Series Winning Seasons ten twelve and fourteen his bullpen posted a two four two in those three postseasons opponents at one fifty four with a five fifteen p. s. in levered circumstances like it is extremely clear to me and listening to him talk and then watching how teams perform that. He truly had an effect on the temperament of his roster. And the last thing that I'll say is this. I love hearing him talk about Madison Bumgarner. It sort of reminded me of the way that we know. View John McGraw and Christy Mathewson to legends of the game. Now obviously Bocce in an Bumgarner aren't avatars for those two. Mcgraw was a gruff person. And as we know Kristie Matheson was you know they call the Christian gentlemen? What are the most beloved figures in Baseball History? But the way in which they they trusted each other the manner in which they speak of each other the postseason success that they had together is not any different than what we saw with Tom. Brady Bill Belichick. For example I think one hundred years from now will look back on the combination of Bruce Bocce and Madison. Bumgarner very similarly. At some point we gotta hear the bear hunting stores. We break boats down on that right Hembo. Thanks for doing this later. Humana twenty five years in the big leagues we. He wound up with two thousand and three career wins before he ended his tenure with the San Francisco. Giants coach. How you doing i. I'm doing well good to talk with you. Here as we go through these tough times How things with you. I'm hanging in there. Yeah and I appreciate you joining us for some storytelling before we get to that just to. This is your first spring away from baseball and got God knows how many years you were teenager. Right Buster on me after I go back to nineteen seventy five. You know that was here. I was drafted. I didn't know Joe I that was after spring training but As you know last time I did not Go to spring training and you know I didn't know how I would feel but I did go into camp with the giants and I. I was good with it but you know what kept me. Busy too was I agreed to manage the fringe team and the WABC in this qualifying round that they had in Tucson and my son was GonNa Pitch for me and my brother Joe. He was my coach and And we had a blast with it We worked out there in Tucson and we're getting ready to start the round the qualifying round against Germany. And of course it was called up because of this corona virus and I felt for those players. Those fringe players I mean they were so looking forward to it and you know it was a lot of money for them and a thousand dollars for each player to play but they want it or if they qualified I mean they they were to get four thousand. These guys have jobs back in France and And you know we got a group together and I just like the way we came together. We played a couple of giant teams. got minor league teams. Get Ready. We want one last one so they they really pumped up so very disappointed About a good call that wet your appetite. Boats to at some point go back to managing. You know I'm not GONNA lie. It was good to be back on the field. They really was working. These guys You know he would a lot of fun to see these guys just playing a game. You know it's not like they were getting paid a lot. They had a real passion and a great spirit neo four the game and and so they could you know that really Made it so much better for me but you know personally. Now I'M NOT GONNA LIE IT IT IT WAS. GonNa be on the field and I don't know what you know all end up doing but frightened you know. It doesn't matter right now we're all doing same thing. Yeah you're exactly right and no one knows you know when we're going to start up again. I I mentioned to you in the text I sent you a wanted to pick your brain on some memories and some some I some storytelling and I want to start with this and I you know I'd forgotten about this and I've never actually asked you about it on September Eleventh Nineteen Five in Cincinnati. Today's Pete Rose set the all time hit record in you were. The catcher would remember about that right right and you know I was. I begin The catcher every day there for a couple of weeks Only because Terry Kennedy who was starting Catcher His back went out on them. And so we're going in Cincinnati and I'm excited that I'm catching in You know have this chance to be back on the blade when Pete rose gets record in You know I just remember Yeah the first Game Lamar. Hoy was pitching and I think rose Went over four. We just pounded them inside. And Lamar had to fastball. Had good right to it. He could really pitch in well with above the hands and He could cut it to inside there. And and you know Peter that time you know. He didn't quite upstate. Bat speed so we pounded them in and Hit an oprah four and now Kennedy. Meanwhile starting to get healthy. I'm getting nervous. I don't want interpreted as I. I call the Pitch. He could hit but Air Showers pitching the next day. And now we have. I think I might have been to one cow I don't remember should but Anyway we do. I call the slider. Eric's shout through a slider and that was probably as bad speed. Be on it's a jammed. I made that little player to right to left field and Camella Martinez couldn't quite get to it and of course Yeah the celebration. I mean it. It was unbelievable. You know what happened after that You know the the city of Cincinnati how they celebrated of course you know the game stopped and for quite a while and of course he had air chow who now. I don't think down deep. He meant to show any disrespect. But he sat on the mound and controversy`l. But you know I it just Eric and you knew where he just you know in his no was different. Ed and ways that they just he just didn't realize what he was doing so Anyway beside that It was like Mardi Gras and Cincinnati That night I remember yeah. It's funny. You mentioned that the other day we were talking about that. 'cause we're talking about CAL ripken's twenty one thirty one and how the angels players you know. One of the coaches joe men so excited to be part of that moment. You know cal going around doing that. Lap handshaking everyone as you mentioned ten years earlier when Eric Chow gave up that hit. He sat on the rubber. And I agree with you. I certainly know nearly as well as you did but I don't think he intended to show up. He rose. He just didn't know what to do. And the game was stopped and everyone just kind of waiting and no one knew how long that delay would be at the time he set the record right right you know what I you know. I take some responsibility there because I was catching. I should've walked out to an amount but you know I was watching everything. 'cause it was an honor to be part of that and And I was one. That didn't go up to Pete. Actually I just thought that was a time for his teammates and family and You know I would hopefully catch up with them later in And congratulate them and so you know looking back I wish I had gone out to the mound. But here's Eric's just standing there on the mount and as you said you don't know how long this last he he was gonna take a seed some stay going doug how he did it right on the robber there. And that's out. You know unfortunate thing because he really took a lot of heat for that but I. I wish I would have gone out to mount so when that what do you remember about your your conversation with Pete. The next time it came to the plate you know he was one that talked a lot when he came up. Here But what he did do would Maybe was unsolicited was A picture that was taken that has me in the picture You know about to receive the ball in And Pete signed a dozen of those pictures that had sent over to the clubhouse to unite. Yeah that was nice you now here. I was a young kid and I grew up a reds fan. Buster as huge reg especially You know the big red machine Mason skip school. Go Watch them over in Tampa now so you know. I'm always a big bench. Rose Fan Joe Morgan. Pres- I love them. And and so you know that was a big deal for me that so You know I've seen a couple of times since that but You know but something we've talked about. Well let me ask you. I tried to explain to people all the time how within baseball pete was so revered For the way he played in and you know the way when after the attack the game every day during the course of his career What do you remember about how other players felt about him? And how do you feel about the question with him in the hall of fame? Yeah You know be was you know? He was just so well liked by every by the in in the game you know I in a way. He played Very poplar using. He was one that you know it was. If he was a hitting you know he was always talking baseball with somebody. I is how I saw. You know guided just loved the game. Had you know there's tons of energy and so A very popular now. You talked about the hall of fame you know. That's that's going to be. Yeah personally I look a guy who who you know were to The best players in the game. There's a lot of them are not in me look. There's a lot of them. That's not in the hall of fame and you know what Pete did Yell that was that was considered the role the biggest role at that at that time in the Veterans Committee. There I mean they you know. His appears his Guys he played with you know they're they're not vote a man and I respect them for for what they want to do is how I look at it. And it's not my call You know I I just believe that If it's GonNa Happen at the be voted on by his parents and right now they don't believe it. So I respect that one appearance in the world series for you and you gotTa hit you. GotTa thousand batting average in the world series. What remember about that man all the one thing I remember how bad I wanted to get in there. I'll put get an apparent final game of that series in In you know Detroit may have made taking a pretty good lead. You know Gibson hit the home. Run off a goose air and and dig. Yeah you know. He wasn't known for being a compassionate man. He was very very tough minded manager that You know he made. There is all different side because I was with them all the time but you know in his harding found a way to get them in there now forever appreciate that and I I was nervous. This could be I as I went up there My First Pitch I kid about this. I hit a ball around buster and I hit seven hundred and fourteen. Those I tell everybody who's about fifteen P. Paolina as off Willie Hernandez won the CY young that year and then they ended up getting a line drive base it. Alan Trammell Dove and try to catch on the back end side and I kidded Allen when I hired him as a coach. You know you're here because you didn't catch that ball. Just want you to know that. So anyway I I get hit and I I don't get along enjoy it though because You know big way to get somebody else in the game to make an appearance around. Reynecke pinch ran for me in you know. I think that the poor run game at that point and it wasn't like that run was important but he found a spot there to get Ronnie in which I was happy for him. And so you know as short-lived as far as my enjoying my time on the field but Yeah it's a moment I'll never forget you. Did you get the baseball that was kind of before that became a regular routine of getting the baseball's yeah no? I I didn't get it I didn't get it Who KNOWS I I don't know it probably would stayed in the game. That's the way it was back then but I never thought about getting it either but you know Cherry Been Nice to have gotten it. What a store. You got Later on when you became manager of the Padres of course the the best player on your team at that time was Tony Gwynn. What's a story? You like to tell friends about Tony. Gwynn you know just beside you. Know is is his talent You know where he meant for me. in my purse. You're managing Tony night play together And so we became pretty. Good friends. We both live in power away. The you know at one point he. Fishing was his passion. That's that's one of mine and So we had done some bass fishing together and then we golfed and so you know we were so are pretty good. Friends played cards and so now. I'm become a manager NASLUND different. He's he's going to be one of my players But unfortunately Gino and we had that strike in ninety four and that carried in the ninety five which was my first year managing so my first year mansion. I've got replacement players and I am not comfortable doing this and Rainy Smith who hired me He helped me out and he said. Listen if you think. One of the coaches should do most of workouts You know you know. Let them do it. I get it because I didn't lose credibility Yeah with my players when this thing when that stripe is over so Tim flannery he picked me up there and he ran most of the spring training to be honest and and so when it ended Strike and we get the season going again. Tony was the one that you know really helped me. As far as saint just on the players less I know bocce. He knows the game. He knows what he's doing a help you know give me. Credibility as locker was right beside my office. Era The old Jack Murkier or qualcomm and And so you know. That's that's what I'll never forget 'cause I think there were at that time two or three players they they kinda cold for. You. 'cause you were supposedly working with these replacement players but You know he He really picked me up there. But you know there were times when we talked about As teammates yeah he. He'd go. He just knew what pitch he was going to get. He would tell you in the dugout. He's GonNa turn slider here and I'm GonNa do this with. He would do it. You know I'm GonNa hit that pie hole because you know he's GonNa he's GonNa keep throwing me away I it's just incredible at this guy could do with the bat and he made me think about him. Boches is that with all the batting titles You know that he won. It still felt like in the midst of his career. He got better because I think based on conversation you had with Ted Williams. He really learned to look for situations. Drive the ball. Oh no question and you're right it them that you know Ted. Call them out. Basically I still remember You know that evening John. Moores is house He had Ted Williams over and in fact had the first time he saw Mesa. I hear you like to fish. And he says What kind of flies are you Do you Tie The ted. I don't five if you don't fly fish but you don't fish in. I mean he just so intimidating and he was the same way with Tony about hitting and And he got on Tony about you know not hidden inside pitch and doing damage with. Because that's when you make your living you know you should be hitting the ball over to five. I five five whole Tony. You're great hitter and You know anybody can do that. But you know but you can hit the ball out of the park and you should start looking at drive that pitch and And it changed Tony and But it didn't take away his average either it just Tony Woods. He's just one of those players is great players. You know they just feel like they never have a ripe wonder it'd be better and that was Tony. He was so driven. Be The best hitter can be and he worked on that inside pitch to where became natural. They throw it in there. He he would turn on it and started hitting home runs and driving the ball and was a better hitter in And I you know he's probably looking back going. You know what it's like. What did done that earlier in my career probably would have three four three four hundred home runs. What do you remember about his relationship? Tony's relationship with Barry Bonds someone who you at the at the end of Berry's career you got to manage because it always. Those two guys had such a special relationship. It almost felt like a little bit. You know the way that you'd hear about Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and it was that way exactly like that goes through is such a tremendous respect for each other. You know what they had accomplished into game in Completely different Hitters and completely different philosophy which amazes me You know 'cause I as I I managed bury my first year and Tony was the guy you know he. He really believed that. You know the bottom hand underneath not the KNOB leading the way and Berry Woods. He talked about a top in catching the ball. He Tickets Tom. Pan On the bad. Until I aims. Amazing I look into it a bit sitters in our era and And they had different philosophies and they were different type of hitters so that played a part in that but now they just always talked hitting always got together. Talk Baseball It was EMC two of the greatest that Tremendous respect like You know bird and magic and guys like that. Tony always love to tell the story about how during batting practice one day bonds came out while the padres are taken BP and and badges riding him about his bat which you referred to you know the PEA shooter because it was so small and he said very grabbed it out of his hands during one round and then proceeded to hit about eleven straight balls is of course bury a left-handed hitter into the left-field stands in and just flip the bat away like throwing a toothpick away. Amazing Amazing Guy. Wait what he could do. you know. There were times in Neo because he knew I had Tony in spring training. Goes you know I can be what Tony does you see pie hole and he would just hit ball after ball right there in that whole I remember one time. You gotta go go. Mvp was you know hidden and triples alley there in San Francisco and And he was complaining about how deep it is. They're very you're you're you're stupid evening doing that. Why why are you doing that? This what you want to do and Berry would take it and just flip it in the Senate over the trail. Nine downright till nine. So you know you're looking guy that's all time home run leader but also had just incredible back control. It things he could do with it and in back when he He tied the record I still remember he knew clay. Hensley was gonNA throw the ball away on those sinkers away. It was in San Diego and to BP that guy was thrown BP extra two day in and my ball had a little run to it as white throat because it would be similar to Clays and sure enough you know. He played zone terminent sinker. Way might take it out to the field and he did so. I wanted there a million Madison bumgarner stories Tell me your favorite one that you like to tell people about Madison. Where my favorite Well I am positive for a second. 'cause I can't tell my favorites bear hunting trip. I swear to secrecy on that. And hopefully he'll let me tell it when when day but On the baseball side my favorite of course two thousand fourteen and Incredible run that And that he had personally You know between the wildcard game and of course what he did in game seven but it was after game five. Just shut up the royals and I had switched it a little bit because I just felt like we had to go and Kansas City up against down a game so because I was taking some heat for not pitching them in Game. Four and then Starting game seven and but Abolhassan start game four against their fifth starter. I wanted mom. Garner Pitkin chills. Anyway short ends up He shuts out Shuts out the royals. And you. You know now. We're going to Kansas City where three to work game away from you. Know being a world series champions and and Guys are you know they're to pack. 'cause WE GOTTA GO TO KC GUMS in my office. He goes you know. I just WanNa tell you if you want to win this thing you're GonNa put me out there you're GonNa start me and it's a start you win. He goes after his day off. He met game six. It's I'm not starting one day's rest. He goes on to win this thing anyway. We're starting game sits six. We wouldn't say Save Them for game seven in the pen you know. He'd be the guy that we go to as a long guy in And I said WELL NEAL I. We haven't set you know. Set to pitch in game seven right now. It's Hudson and he and Hoodie. Were very close. They really became Not just good teammates but very good friends and he looked at me so now. Now you gotTa Start Hardy I. I want him to start his gang. But you have me ready. You want to win this thing. Of course you know what happened there. So it's as Just the guy that had his maniacal focus on winning the world series when he was going to hold back on its feelings no he pits twice as many innings more than twice as many innings than any other pitcher in that postseason on any team and yet I think he told me one point that after you guys win game seven It is one of the most amazing postseason in baseball history. He finally acknowledged that he was tired. Yeah yeah he owned to well. Of course everybody was because emotionally. You're tired mentally. I mean it's just you talking about every pitch every play on the line and And of course with him you know we. It's not like we gave cushioning pitching with one run lead and of course what happened in the ninth inning You know with the two hour triple when he still has to get one more out because I could see a warming up but I I all I remember when he came in after the seventy eighth inning. I wasn't a look at them because I didn't want to look me and say I am because he you know he was our horse in about so well but Yeah he he finally owned up to it. But you know what I I'll say to me. It's the greatest pitching performance and postseason Because you know it hasn't been that long since we've had had you know we've had two extra games a wildcard and an extra postseason games. No-one's pitch at pitches many endings. Jake peavy is a great storyteller and he told me a great story about Bumgarner new that I've never asked you about and I want to But I I want to check it. Check it out with you He said that the the reason why you want two thousand fourteen the world series. He said there was a moment in the dugout. You guys are playing the dodgers late in the season. He's losing his act cranky toodle one and his spot in the lineup is coming up in the eighth inning and according to Jake he said you know you go. You basically let them know you're going to pinch hit for him. And he's lobbying he wants to bat because he loves to hit. He's down Iran. It's a big game against the dodgers and you're saying this is according to Jake. You're saying I know I know and then Madison. After hearing that a couple of times goes you a talking to me like you know and then you let him hit that. Stake story what What do you remember about that close? I mean it was close You're probably embellish that just a hair but that's J. Cuts. You know what it was a situation where he was her best and I thought he He earned that right to hit. But originally I was not gonNa let him hit Because I want to look after them too. I mean it worked hard but he was one of our biggest threats and And that's what I I I remember that really Made up my mind but you know what this go bomb because he he deserved it and he was one of our best threats he was one of our best clutch hitters. I'm telling you this guy. When you need a big hit or even a homerun. Somehow he came through for you impact. I my kid all the time now because you know he's not not the hitter he was because he's trying to see how far but that time he he knew how to sit on the pitch and So anyway yeah he yeah he was. We're going back at it back at each other a little bit. But I had made up my mind a he's GonNa hit and I told rags out in I said he's GonNa hit but I'm GonNa have some fun with this. Tell me your favorite first time you laid eyes on Lintz come and whether or not it was there any party. You is You know somebody who's been in baseball longtime wondering if that was gonna work that unusual delivery well. I bus started first time. I saw two thousand seven which was my first year San Francisco. I still remember Spring training I mean it. Was you know a lot different You know because I had some years in San Diego. The giants were team that we had to be and that was after the first meeting. That you have with your team and So yeah I'm heading out to the field. I'm with Dave Righetti and And they've goes rags goes. Hey by the way there's your number one pick and I look over and it's I mean scrawny looking Guy is getting ready to play catch. And I'm like you're kidding me. I just can't imagine one hundred fifty pound or being a number one pick and at first ball. I still remember he threw was like it was ninety miles an hour and he just had his whip thome and So wow yeah and you know this guy. Looks like he's got pretty good stuff and then of course he pitched. It was most incredible thing. As far as the pitch I'd ever seen was And that's why at nicknamed the free. It's out freakish. It was because of its unique delivery and it was like a weapon his arm and arm. But you know just just came along for the ride and And I knew then. That's what this this guy's different. This guy is He's going to be special sure. Not You know forty years already know you're here. He is a PHYCHI force and It's it's one. He's one of the most amazing pictures I've ever had. That's good much but just you know just. His style is way never ice to never took a lot of time up and the only thing about ten thousand twelve you know Steph was starting to go down a little bit And I still remember going up to them in the weight room and I'm walking up to him says to me you know we're as we're going into the playoffs. I said you know I just think if we could get you to help us out in the bullpen. We have the best chance to win. This thing he without hesitating just looked at me and goes. Hey you think this you know. This is the best way to win it. Let's do it. I I'm ready for it. And when he pitched out of the pen and I'm getting lowering it here but the first game he's come in and pitch. I mean this guy didn't get out. We saw get timmy up. And he was sitting in the dugout and I look up I go. Where's timmy? In Iraq. I told them I start getting ready. Timmy didn't understand it. It was for that inning not put an x. any wow you know. He didn't take to get up so he got up and threw. Maybe four or five pitches you sitting was good and went out there and just Dell and He was similar. You Know Trevor Hoffman. You know he he. To seven or eight pitches. He was ready to go. That's amazing for someone who's been a starter as long as he was much. I've never asked. You you and I've had a lot of conversations and I think your voice was an important one To make the change with the catch Home Plate. Collision rules with catchers That of course after buster. Posey at lake shattered with that play at home plate. Scott Cousins Barrels into him and the change came after that year. I've never asked you about what that night was like for you. afterward And you know having been a catchy yourself and seeing what buster went through. Well I I'LL PREFACE. Is You know for Persona? Really get a feel of what what that is Getting hit again you. Yeah you need to be back there and just realize how vulnerable catcher is and they went. Buster Guy Hits you know. I just remember jogging out there. Man Just praying that You know this this was bad you know he just Kinda got bell wrong and once I got out there and it's all the painting was in I I knew there was damage on this one and You know I thought it was me. Initially in End Up being his ankle but the oid just brought back a memory as as I'm standing up there with them and I'll go back to La when Gary Bennet got hit he got hit by Jordan Brian Jordan who is a football player and I thought he killed him. I mean Bennett was out. He was laying on the ground in You know these players you get attached to it. I mean they're they're like your kids and I just I just said that sick feeling my stomach and And then back out there with buster. I just said you know I much longer. Or are we gonNa let this happen? I mean it's GonNa be a matter of time before we carry somebody off from stretch here and And He's in a wheelchair recipes life or something. Yeah this is crazy and you just stopped protected and And I know there's most guys you know not not buying into it but these guys are bigger and faster and and and of course you know for a while it was a case where that was the target not scoring but hitting the catcher and that was the case with -Buster and zebras way. Lame Front home play wasn't blocking the plate. And so that feeling you know I just didn't want to have it again so you know I I was part of Trying to get to this rule change. Mike played a big role in this and that and I feel good about it. Being changed at you know not on my watch. I didn't have to see somebody had their neck broken or something because it was going to happen. It's just matter time and one one final question for you. I don't think now you know busters had an amazing career. He's got some years ahead of as we move forward as well. Maybe someday he's going to get an audit of the hall of fame and be on the back Porch Iota Saga with you. But I also I think people don't realize that there was a time there after that injury where there was some real question about whether or not his career was going to be in jeopardy. Oh there was. I thought you know this is probably a fifty fifty deal whether he would be able to catch again. This is bad this injury. How devastating injury was digression? Our our trainer he still are trained. Her with the giants Just incredible job on on his Rehab and Me It took a long time to the next year. You know we had to watch early And take care of them but You know for him to bounce back way he did and and not just bounce back but played in. You know the type of baseball that he did. Help Helpers win a couple more world series says about a lot about him his His driving his work ethic To get themselves back to declare that he was and you know you when you experience the loss of you know your best player buster was i. I'll go back to bitching. Trevor Hoffman. When you're in San Diego where he was out for the year You see what life is like it. It was not having a Bus running that staff and being on that club and and nobody impacted Our team more than Buster and so. It's really incredible. I think how long he's played And the fact that doesn't bother him as much occasionally will For example in Arizona sometimes around home plate it's packed it's really hard to. Sun bakes it and And that will aggravate it a little bit. But an he's he's doing well. I appreciate your time. I always love talking with you on bragging about how you were such a great shooter. Especially twelve to fifteen feet when we played together. Yeah you got a little pumped here. I got a WHO brought outside. I shoot a little bit now. I gotTA get some exercise any bike. Here's Tim Coaches Daily Baseball. Fix and it's built around someone we were talking about earlier in the podcast on this date in one thousand nine hundred seventy four hank. Aaron hit home. Run Number Seven fifteen before the game. Braves relievers all chose locations in the ball and they wanted stand. It hopes thing when catch historic homerun number seven fifteen. It was based on seniority. Tom House was very young reliever so he ended up way out in left center field. But as soon as hey Tom House oh my goodness this is GonNa hit me right in the chest. He said I didn't even have to move after he caught it. He ran the ball into home plate and presented to hang who was in tears. Tom House told me I'd never seen Garin cry. Enfold all the pressure was off. All the stress was off. Took are really strong man to hit more home runs than Babe. Ruth bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for Wednesday Justin Simmons at Justin Land. Sim One writes in your interview with BG the other day. Got Me thinking what have been. The most significant position changes in baseball history. Other than Babe. Ruth moving from pitcher to everyday outfielder. Well I'm kind of cheating and they're and they're definitely a lot that have taken place Dale Murphy I think moving from Catcher to the outfield. That helped him another one that I thought it was ricky and kill you know and more recent time having developing the hips as a pitcher and becoming a good major league. Outfielder an excellent defensive outfielder. I say go back and tell her. I don't think you're going to remember this guy. But smokey Joe would. Have you ever heard the name? Nope not at all okay. He was an excellent pitcher like a century ago and then he wound up being a pretty good outfielder as well. Right in the same era where Babe Ruth played so I you know those are names off the top of my head without one smoky. Joe Wood. What a great name. Incredible name and Regain Keel. Obviously my baseball knowledge has been completely exposed in this podcast but his position change is when I was growing up like an incredible sports store that I remember you know talking to my friends when we were young like how crazy it was that he would do that and he would be successful at the same time so definitely notable name there Brian Simpson. He's got two questions for us at twelve. Oh to seventy four. His first one he writes in watching re watching the ninety one world series with my eight and six year old sons. They have a question for you. Do you think Lonnie Smith's base running costs the braves the world series when he didn't score from first on the double by Terry Pendleton. I'm not ready. Say Cost Him the world series but it was definitely a pivotal moment in that world series. I don't know if you've seen video that Taylor. But he yeah he messed up. He misread the play and he could scored on that play. He didn't and it would turn out to be potentially decisive in terms of the braves. Not getting a run. They needed. Second one from Brian he writes in. I didn't know Al K-line's nickname was Mr Tiger very similar to our guy. Tony Gwynn as Mr Padre. Are there any other players? That some of their franchise or their city in quite this way. I was trying to think of people who actually got that nickname. You know Mister so-and-so's from their team and I couldn't think of another one. But here's some some guys in. I'm curious to hear from fans about whether or not they feel like that. These would be appropriate candidates. Mr Mariner Edgar Martinez no question. Mr Philly I actually go with Larry Bowa because he's been around. That franchise is a player as a manager as a coach for so long and he really embodies the spirit of that team Mister Cardinal Red. Shane see was around that team for long time as a player manager coach. Mr Red Sox I go Johnny Pesky who was someone who had decades and decades decades with that team and Mr Diamondback Louis Gonzalez. Who GOT THE WALK OFF? Hit in game seven of the two thousand one world series and continues to work with the diamondbacks and in fact. I expect at some point. We're getting getting an opportunity to talk with Louis about his memories from that. Two Thousand One World Series. Very Good. That is it for Bleacher tweets for today. Hashtag bleacher tweets on twitter. And please subscribe review podcast. Wherever you enjoy your podcasts. My thanks today to Bruce Bochy to Hembo to tell Schwenk have a great day. Everybody thanks for listening and stay safe. Thanks for listening to baseball tonight. Podcast if you're playing fantasy baseball forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all PODCASTS AT ESPN DOT COM. Slash pod separate baseball tonight. 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"Mets in perpetual chaos"

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"Mets in perpetual chaos"

"It's always good to get death threats on Mike. Hey there welcome to hot. Take down. This is a show where the hot takes the sports world meet the numbers that prove them right or tear them down. Today is July Thirtieth Twenty Nineteen and I'm Serious Ziegler the assistant sports editor here at five thirty eight. I'm joined as always in the studio by one of my co hosts senior Sportswriter Neil Pain Hi Sarah how are you. I'm good. How are you I'm doing well? Do you have an okay morning. Well you know it's okay. There's been a lot of ups and downs but I'm I'm on the upswing good well. Let's get that's good to hear and on the line from Los Angeles is five Thirty Eight Sports Senator Jeff Foster Hagia. What's happening Sarah? You guys you guys want to keep talking and that was a lot of Chitchat up at the top. Wow Jeff Howe is your morning. Is your morning going. Okay all I wanted was you'd asked me the same question and my mornings going great and I really appreciate you asking thank you Sir all right and Oh my I wanNA talk really briefly about a couple of long standing sports records that fell this past week one on the track and two in the pool at the U._S._A.. Track and field outdoor championships on Sunday in Des Moines Iowa Dalia Mohammed ran the four hundred meter hurdles in fifty two point two seconds is breaking the world record of fifty two point three four seconds set sixteen years earlier two days before that swimmer Caleb Trestle said a new world record in the one hundred demeanor butterfly breaking the record set by Michael Phelps in two thousand nine and two days before that another record of Michael Phelps was broken by Hungarian swimmer Kristof Meelak so here's my question which is more impressive breaking record in swimming or breaking a record in track. The answers answers track if you look at the course of these records in the Buhl they break constantly they break every Olympics they break a lot of world championships kinship whereas you'll really see some track records hang around for a long time whether that comes down to like swimsuit technology or things things going on in the pool I know there's always like you know claims of currents and some of these pools <hes> which you can't really see in the track I mean actually sometimes you do see in the track like wind aided times always denote those when wind is often the track times yeah well this being hot take down. I wanted to <hes> bring some numbers to what you're saying Jeff <hes> so I found A._B._C. Story from around the Twenty Sixteen Olympics where they talked to Canadian swimming coach and Blogger Rick madge who says that since nineteen in seventy two roughly ten percent of the Olympic track and field events resulted in new world records and it swimming it was about forty percent allow <hes> and in in addition to that it's not just like when sprinters have a new record they shave like fractions of a second off of the old record whereas some of these swimming records Kurds have been beaten by one or two seconds so it does seem to be sort of night and day between the two <hes> disciplines that the two types of events which is funny because I think as observers we do lump them together because it's like humans trying to push human boundaries of speed <hes> <hes> in a in a medium or running on a on a surface but against the clock you know not <hes> it's one of those absolute time into sports and so you wouldn't on the face of it think that there would be that much of a difference but there is I guess I'm impressed by the swimming ones though just because the upset had those records for a while I mean ten years is a long time to hold a record in swimming right and actually the two hundred meter butterfly he had had held the record in that continuously since two thousand one he kept breaking his own record but he was the fastest in it. You know all the way back to two thousand one which seemed impressive to me that at those records have fallen Michael Phelps now just holds only one world record just sad yeah so we'll see if that wouldn't hold on you. Just go down the list of the major Olympic swimming events and the oldest one's like two thousand nine for the fifty meter freestyle otherwise it's it's like all in this decade you know with regards to the track you know one would think almost that we would have broken like the the two do our marathon at this point but it still stands so I think it's more a matter of hitting a ceiling rather than limitless record-breaking heartbreaking potential and that's one of the interesting theories that I kind of came across when looking at this is that in swimming you have these like really complicated like stroke types that <hes> it seems like the the more complex the action the more room there is to kind of optimize it and find the most efficient <hes> you know mechanical way way of doing things and so that's part of what <hes> explain some of the increases whereas think running they've they've kind of started to Max out the mechanics antics of of doing it <hes> and then the technology factor I think is obvious and the fact that you just don't have the same types of ways as the technology can improve running to the same extent that something like a new suit or even goggles they mentioned that the influx of swimmers wearing goggles in in the one thousand nine hundred seventy s was like a huge change that drastically lowered times and it's something that we sort of take for granted or wouldn't even think about nowadays yeah it look at some of the <hes> track records the long jump record is still going since nineteen ninety one Mike Powell which is amazing. If you think about about it and then there's others if you go to the field I don't know if we're talking about field over just talking about the discus throw record one thousand nine hundred eighty six. No one has been able to top IT and on the women's side. The eight hundred meters is is hung around since nineteen eighty three. Yes so if you're a young athlete trying to break records these are the wants to to focus on discus discuss or eight hundred meters on today's show with the M._l._b.. Trade deadline rapidly approaching will assess the deals the rumors and the drama and we'll be joined by writer Lindsay Arcangelo to discuss the W._n._B._A.. And we'll take a deep dive into data with our rabbit rabbit hole of the week then we'll be trade. Deadline is near by Wednesday at four PM Eastern when all trades must be finalized yet. We've seen surprisingly few deal so far and some of those we have seen have made headlines for the wrong reasons. Here's Jeff Bazan hasn't on E._S._P._N.. Discussing the movement over the weekend by The New York mets the mets are in perpetual chaos but it could wind up up being good chaos if they can arbitrage this so that they get more back for syndergaard than they gave up for Marcus Stroman Jeff as a lifelong mets it's fan. How do you feel about their moves? In advance of the trade deadline just for the record neil and I are both lifelong mets fans despite him wearing a Cincinnati reds scout neal is as a lifelong met fan. Your blood's had right now but yes longtime <hes> Medicare right now sort of questioning that long only tenured on my part I my surprise no not even a little surprised well. I guess I'm surprised by the actual we'll deal itself but I'm not surprised with the mets doing something perplexing. If that makes sense I think it fits their sort of greater character profile their brand. It's weird because on paper. It's a pretty good trade. I mean they're giving up to prospects. Neither of which is you know in the top hundred prospects in baseball for a very good pitcher so one would think we should applaud this but in conjunction with them possibly possibly selling Noah syndergaard or selling Zack Wheeler them recently getting rid of Jason Vargas. It's rare just in general to see a team tackling both sides of the buyer seller line which I guess would be that the mystery here. I think stroman is under contract for another year so you could make a very good case that this this is a play for twenty twenty. Syndergaard also has another year so it would be logical to keep syndergaard now if you're clearly showing in your hand that this is a next year play I mean wheeler is a free agent so that wouldn't surprise me if they got rid of him but usually when the mets make a mistake it's by not not trading someone I think back of the Jose Reyes was going to be a free agent. They easily could have got something for him. As a rental instead they held onto him he won the batting title and then just promptly signed elsewhere <hes> likewise Matt Harvey who was kind of feuding with the team and didn't WanNa pitch and and essentially help them go to the world series and pitch very well in the postseason. His stock was incredibly high. I thought it made a lot of sense to move harvey at that point an and they didn't and then he turned out to be very bad pitcher. It's rare to see them sort of error on this side. If if you do consider this era but I'm interested in hearing Neil's thoughts on it well well yeah I mean I think it is sort of what she said. The the the trade in a vacuum isn't the worst trade ever a but then once you start Kinda piling in the context that the mets have almost no chance to make the playoffs are model has them at ten percent and basically entirely you as a wildcard entry if they did make the playoffs so that means that you're basically wasting a few months of stroman this season compared with what he could have provided to a team that was actually in contention and then you have the situation with syndergaard where you know if this is like a multi step process process where they acquired syndergaards replacement before actually trading syndergaard now they're sort of holding the bag with part one of that transaction and what if they can't find a partner energy to do the the second part of the deal with what will they get back for syndergaard. He's not having <hes> his greatest season ever but I think most people would feel like he <hes> is one of the most talented talented pitchers available but what will that do. Are they selling low on him. There's all kinds of questions around it which makes it kind of a quintessential mets trade like you said Ed <hes> Jeff. We have the system at five thirty eight <hes> that we call the doyle number which we use every trade deadline it just it's named after Doyle Alexander who the Tigers acquired for John smoltz in a <hes> what was in retrospect kind of a disastrous trade in Nineteen eighty-seven at the deadline and <hes> it just measures how many wins of future talent you should be willing to give up in exchange for getting one extra win of of current talent <hes> and mostly this applies to rentals <hes> but the mets <hes> doyle number was zero point zero three which <hes> means any number below one means that you should not be a buyer <hes> because because you should be valuing future wins over present ones <hes> and so once once you get near zero like the current tigers there at zero they have no chance and to make the playoffs it would make no sense to go out and get talent <hes> to try to do something this year the metro not that far off from that despite the the sliver of a playoff chance that they have <hes> and so that generally speaks to what team should be doing in terms of buying or selling and the mets probably have. I haven't done the research on this but I can't imagine there that many more teams <hes> in the years we've been doing this that had a doyle number as low as zero point zero three Eh that went out and got one of the prized trade targets of of the deadline so when you wrote about the doyle number in which team should be buyers chancellor's last week the mets had just four percent chance of making the playoffs and today they're all the way up to ten percents baking push. We're GONNA eat these word Word Yeah did they look at the five thirty prediction model and say hey we have jumped up is this is our time. We're going to do this. We can only assume yes. We have to assume yes at this. I'm sure the Wilpon Avid fivethirtyeight readers. We're talking about whether it makes sense to buy or sell aw four this year. The sellers are thinking about what they get back in return but there's not many buyers who are buying a a top prospect for a future season but you know I do think that this speaks to a larger trend of you know it used to be strictly rentals that teams would kind go for at the trade deadline and now you start to have more of these considerations for future seasons which would would lessen the impact of one of This con job <hes> that I feel like they're continually kind of selling to the fans and on the one hand you you kind of understand where they're coming from because in the The New York market. I don't think that they feel like they could have a rebuilding season along the same lines as you know some of these colossal multi-year tear down jobs like the Tigers like the royals like the Marlins all these teams <hes> I feel like maybe the mets are sort of thinking <hes> we can't have one of those so we'd better just do this infinite string of retooling on the fly and see what happens but it hasn't really paid them any dividends yet and they keep keep sort of making these moves like their one or two players away from being a championship contender and that goes back to acquiring Robbie Canot and Edwin Diaz who now is on the trade block like reshuffling deck chairs on the titanic that seems like it will never end I think yeah and they also always seemed to be on the wrong wrong. Side of the Bilo Sell High equipped look at Wendy as they went out and got him when he's off this incredible season probably the best reliever in baseball and then he comes to New York. He has a bad first half and now they're trying to deal. You know it's kind of like stroman. If we we are here a year from now talking about how the mets are trying to shop stroman after a bad start to twenty twenty it would surprise me at all. Does he yeah so that'll probably happen and he's in the middle of a career year now so they're buying high you combine that with their ability to kind and get the worst from players which is a thing you can. It might be defense. I mean look he's. He's a ground ball pitcher. The mets have bad defense. It wouldn't shock me if despite the downgrade from leaving the A._l.. East it wouldn't shock me if he doesn't have the same success in New York. My big question is why are we spending so much time talking about a completely irrelevant team we could talk about actually good well. Ah really that's the mets are the team that's made the interesting move like only only which is the other issue here. The Pace Jason Trades as we approach the deadline has felt just super slow way slower than normal and that's really weird because they moved up <hes> they got rid of the post host July thirty first <hes> wavered trade system which was pointlessly convoluted and weird anyway and so yeah with the sense of finality to July thirty first unlike previous years I think the intended consequence of that was for teams to feel a lot more pressure and start the trades grades coming fast and furious and like a lot of things in baseball. I feel like that rob. Manfred has kind of put in with with one <hes> intended effect. The opposite has happened opened and like you said Sarah. There haven't been that many interesting moves yet now again. We're taping this on Tuesday morning right. The trade. Deadline is Wednesday afternoon yeah. There's going to be so many trades before citing. This is one way to to force the force the Markham I think it's a combination nation of factors though because you look at a team like the giants who were supposed to be the big sellers and now they're on this run in their back in contention whether you believe it or not I know Neil has some thoughts on cisco giants are but they were supposed to be trading bumgarner and and and really all their all their guys worth anything and now it looks like they're not going to do that likewise. I think this is also connected to some of the other trends Frans were seen in baseball particularly the game getting younger teams you know not having as much interest in in thirty year old reagents to be or our veterans of of really any kind and focusing on the youth in hoarding the prospects and in other cases. There's you know teams that I just don't really have the piece at the cubs for instance are in division which is the most competitive in baseball in the end. They probably would like to go out and get some some players but they don't really have much much to offer in terms of their farm system likewise the Yankees. Most teams are asking for Guys Gleyber Torres and Andrew Harr improbably they don't really want to give up so I think all that working together and then you also have a kind China week free agent class coming up after the big one and a lot of guys who've signed extensions so there aren't as many of these sort of expiring in rental contracts out there so the teams that do have farm systems that are also contending right now include the braves the astros the dodgers and the Minnesota twins my wonder what the significance of that is to this host so I'm just saying the trade that makes the most sense cents is syndergaard to the twins the twins have the prospects dig it up they could they. I mean a pitcher like syndergaard good syndergaard not crappy syndergaard guard of many starts the season would be. I mean that's that's the kind of move that would make the most sense to get this team over the Hump and to go far in the playoffs not just make the playoffs but like actually content well and I think that plays they're not the only one that need pitching help and that plays into things too is that a lot of the needs needs for some of these top teams which incidentally the doyle number says that contrary to what you might think <hes> in the conventional wisdom of the the trade deadline which is like well the teams that need the most help at the deadline are the ones that are on the fringe of the playoffs and they need a piece to kind of make a pushing get in and then take their chances with the with the crap shoot of the postseason. Doyle is basically says no the teams that should be the strongest buyers of the ones that that are already really good because being really good already in baseball is means that you have like a twenty percent chance of winning the world series. It's not like the Golden State the warriors with like a fifty five percent chance of winning the <hes> the world the warriors were so good during the gravity around here. They had a chance to win the world series in addition into the N._B._A.. Finals this is teams like the Yankees and and like the dodgers <hes> and I think the problem is that a lot of the teams that are in a position where they they could get someone have the same needs as other teams <hes> in terms of pitching and those are the types of players that are are the ones that are sort of the most high impact of ones on the market yeah by the sellers you know if you're looking for a batter you're you're going to have to go for like Nick Cast Janos fine player by the way <hes> but if you're looking for pitching it's like Noah Syndergaard is on the block now <hes> and so I think think that has emboldened the sellers to ask for these like outrageously high prospect halls in return <hes> and it has sort of created the stalemate where where they know there's it's like an auction for Noah syndergaard and they know the mets are sort of holding out to the last minute to try to get the best offer that they can but so are the rangers with Mike Minor and Lance Lynn and <hes> the giants should be with Bumgarner and so forth but they're not going to wonder if one of those traits AIDS happens if one of those big named pitchers goes will then they're domino yeah players. They're really but you make a great point. There aren't many hitters on the market but there are also none of those contenders really needs a bad like that's not the problem. The Indians probably need. They need like a second baseman right Jason. Jason Kipness in his six hundred P._S.. is in cutting but yeah that's a great point that most of the team needs are either some kind of bench bat sat at most or starting and relief pitching and that's kind of a common thread short supply on around you know the mets have a lot of those players that they could. They could sell away but yeah we'll see how it works out so looking ahead to the rest of the season. Most of the tightest races are for wild card spots lots. How does our model feel about the teams clinging onto hopes of making the playoffs well? The giants are a really interesting team. I wanted to talk about them because because they have gone on this really totally unexpected and completely just insane run. I mean you've got Pablo. Pablo Sandoval hitting walk off home runs in extra innings and their fans are holding a baby with one hand and catching the home run ball with the other and they slipped this. Can you also protect the child. The ball is really not that important well you know it is a Pablo Sandoval homerun ball so you gotta hang onto that so I think the giants you know <hes> they have a new president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi who came over from the dodgers he <hes> he's a famously a sabermetrics forward thinking general manager type and now he is sort of confronted in his very first season in San Francisco with this incredible dilemma Emma of what do you do when a team that's designed to tank basically or at least kind of beyond the <hes> on the downside of this dynasty that they had to be transitioning toward reloading suddenly finds itself in contention against all logic and reason and planning. Do you still bill proceed with the plan to kind of tear things down. Can you afford to our model would say that they should still be sellers. I mean they have a nine percent chance of making the playoffs and that's in name. Only it's really just as wild card berth so you'd have to play that extra game and then go onto the division series even if you win and let's be honest. The giants are not that good of a team despite the run that they've been on here's where they rank in wins above replacement in each category the season out of the thirty thirty Major League Baseball team so they're twenty-third hitting twenty fifth and base running their fifth and defense. That's good for them even with Bumgarner as one of their starters they are dead last first in war from starting pitchers. They have the six best bullpen again. That's a bright spot but overall there the twenty fourth best team in baseball according to war war they been outscored by more than forty runs during the season. This is not a team that is good enough to make noise even if they do somehow make the playoffs and again. Our model thinks that that is extremely unlikely anyway. This is the type of team that should be selling and the only reason why you would buy at this point is because of getting swept up in the emotions ends of this run <hes> that they're on and <hes> supposedly this management team is is supposed to be sort of coldly analytical and a and sort of above making emotion based decisions but that's easy to say when you're on the outside not so easy when when it's actually your decision to make I think the the the thing that's the worst in their favor is the fact that they're in the same division with the dodgers in their fourteen games back so the division is just completely out of the question whereas some some of these wildcard teams still have a shot at at winning the division. Maybe getting the wild card in the one game as a consolation prize teams like the Indians Nhs right yeah. You know Saint Louis in Milwaukee and those types the N._F._l.. West is an afterthought right now and just just recently in the last few days like Arizona seems to be position themselves as a seller with Robbie Ray and maybe cranky and some of their hitters as <hes> some some of the names we're hearing a lot and they're only a game and a half behind San Francisco's I mean that could be they could be even in two days and yet we we have completely different approaches here. I think it does matter. You know what you're trying to do with your fans to which I do think that's a component that we can't really that's harder to evaluate like what you think. Fan Reaction will be to selling a super popular player like Madison Bumgarner. I think that is a part has to be a part of the Calculus for these front offices offices what they're gonNA do and who they're going to retain. I mean I think bumgarner should go and he could be super useful again to some contending teams in in the Central Division Has the red sox. Don't tear down they reload <hes> and yet this is another one of those seasons where they've had years where they win. The world series as and then immediately are not good at all <hes> and and then they come back again and and they're right back in it so I have I have some with our model all about the red sox and I have all season relative to the twins. Maybe they've done a theme. Yeah Yeah I stay on Brand Neil but no they've been very highly rated in our model all season even when they were like legit bad and that I know our model sees through but come my remember the seventy Game Role Sarah set at seventy games half of the team's performance is luck and half of it is <hes> their true talent so even by like mid season. You're really not seeing the full picture by the teams talent and the Red Sox are vindicating this I mean they're they're playing really well right now. <hes> and our model would've predicted that a lot more than just looking at their winning percentage to date <hes> as of like a month ago. Will we see teams true the measures of their true talent unlike sometime next season or well. You know could take that long. It could take the mets are actually making that argument right now. You'll see our true talent next season. The Red Sox are only a game out of the wild card. I mean they're not drawing dead here. I think the division is probably unlikely but you know one game playoff Chris sale you know maybe they like their chances. They're over the weekend the W._N._B._A.. W._N._B._A.. all-star game made headlines Erica Wheeler gave a heartfelt speech on the court after winning the M._v._p.. Award becoming the first ever undrafted player to claim the prize Brittney griner also became the first w an N._B._A.. Player to dunk three times in an all star game as we head into the second half of the season. The field is more open than it seems like it's ever been Dan Hughes coach of the Seattle Storm said usually by about the all star break. There's a team or two where you're saying if they stay healthy. They're definitely separating but this year it's really still to be determined. We're joined by award winning journalist and writer Linseed Arcangelo who covers the W._n._B._A.. N._B._a. for the athletic to discuss this impressive w N._B._A. Field welcome Lindsey Hayez so what about this season of the W._n._B._A.. Feels different to you this season particularly. I feel like there's just more attention and hype <hes> there was more into the patient leading up to the start of the season than than I've seen in years past first and the media coverage I'd call it mainstream media. I guess a sites were actually covering the league more and so there was this build upright and and the season has not disappointed level competition is at its highest peak in my opinion than it's been in years and as you just said had you know it's so tight in the standings right the top three teams right now that are vying constantly switching out of the number one position in the standings in my my personal rankings rankings that I do weekly so it's just it's fun because right now you have about out of the twelve teams. I'd say nine that <hes> have a shot at not only making the playoffs but making a run and then seeing what happens from there. There's no clear cut winner that you could say is gonNA is GonNa win it all <unk> windy. What do you think accounts for that increase in parody? Is it just more an influx of more talent in the league. Does it have something to do with all of the kind of star injuries that I know that that was a big talking point going into the season and some of them have come back but they're still haven't played much. Does that play a role in kind of making it more wide open the season yeah. I think it's a few things I think the level of talent has gotten better and girls are starting to play basketball at younger ages in A._A._U.. Programs all of that so there's just a level of talent is being groomed in a way that that we've never seen before and then you have a league that has only twelve teams and twelve spots in each team team so that's one hundred and forty four players. You're getting the cream of the crop. When it comes to women's basketball there are players who get left off rosters who who could not only play in the W._m._B._A.? W._N._B._A. But they go from playing in Europe in just to try to get back into the league or even get a chance to play in the league the following season you have players who get drafted voted in the top fifteen who don't make the rosters so it's just the level of talent is just at a at a at a place right now where it's making the League's thrive it's you've got a great product. You get great basketball. The watch and I know the injuries was a concern but it was more about the faces aces of the League not being there and maybe we'd see a drop off I. I don't think it was so much talent but that even these younger players players are just they're just put on their backs and they're just carrying like you mentioned Erica Wheeler I mean we're seeing some young players. Just have a really great season and it's doing a service justice. League is doing all the fans are loving it. Who are the players that have kind of taken the torch and run with it the most in your mind like the the big breakout players of the season so far the just needed an opportunity? You Got Jonquil Jones in Connecticut. I think she had a good season last year but this year she's just he's playing so well. She's <hes> she's averaging a double double and <hes> she's leads league in blocks. She's just she's one of the players that that I feel like maybe he wasn't being overshadowed but she's finally having that breakout year that that you expected Natasha Howard on Seattle is a good one the point out because without sue bird and Brianna Stewart on the Seattle Storm. She's just got the space to just do what she can do and she's just an all around player. She's third in the League in points per game <hes> <hes> she's in the League and steals. She's also a candidate for me for defensive player of the year and and then you got you know the young player the Erica Wheeler on Indiana Indiana that they're not having a great year but man. She's making a name for herself in what she's doing for that team. I think she's in either. The first or second leading score on Indiana nephews collier coming in for the Minnesota Lynx as a rookie. She has is played every single game. She's I believe she started the majority of the games she just she's had a direct impact so you know you have you have people people who are just they're carrying the league and then you still have Landale Don who who right now I think is is my m._v._p.. Candidate primarily because of how how Washington looks without her on the floor she she pretty much is the cog in their offensive wheel and when she's not there it's almost like they're not not really sure of what nobody else has stepped up in our place and when she hasn't been on the floor because of injury she's experienced this year. They've lost so to me an M._v._p.. He is somebody you can't win without in in that's why she's the top leading candidate for me in that regard so which teams are you most excited about heading into the to to the second half of the season well when I wrote up a little midseason thing for the athletic W._n._B._A.. This week and I mentioned five teams that I thought were going to finish the end of the season strong and you have the top the top three teams in the League there for me are the Connecticut Sun the Las Vegas Aces and the Washington mystics. I think you you know they're they've got barring any unforeseen losing streak that that may happen which I don't think it's going to happen. They're going to be in the playoffs and are going to be in the semifinals and finals whatever combination that is but the other two that I'm keeping my eye on the Seattle storm and the Phoenix Mercury Seattle storm because a hint amazed what they've been able to accomplish the season without their top two players. It's really incredible. I mean I think so. Many people wrote them off. When when Stewart and bird went down and here they are still playing so well <hes> yeah they're twelve and nine on the season? They're sitting living comfortably in the six spot. I think it is in the standings. I think I have them higher in my rankings but yeah I mean they're right there and the way Natasha Howard's playing and then you have Jordan Canada. WHO's a sophomore guard or second season? She's taken over for sue bird and she is. She's just evolved she. I think she's she's leading league in steals so she's she's having a really good good season two yeah. I'm really impressed by you mentioned Natasha Natasha Howard playing <hes> almost like an m._v._p.. Type level but they've also gotten a lot of contributions from up and down the roster. If you look at Mercedes Russell you mentioned Jordan Canada Leesa Clark. Sammy Whitcombe Jewell Loyd is that just the triumph of a team that has a surprising amount of depth than they've been able to make up the difference from losing the stars that that way they do have a lot of depth and that's kind of scary because you think once dewey and bird comeback because they're definitely bird plans. I'm playing longer so when they come back you're looking at what could possibly be the the beginning of of the next you know W._n._B._A.. Dynasty they're scary team also one team that jumped out to me. You mentioned your top five <hes> for those five teams. Were already really good last year. The one that really jumps out to me is the Las Vegas Aces who have gone from being last place in the Western Conference Conference last year two first place tied for the best record in the league this season what has been the key to their SORTA dramatic turnaround well. The aces have lucked out getting number one picks three years in a row so there's that side of it but then you have to you how does that all melt meld together you know how do they match and I think from the beginning of the season they were winning or losing. It was kind of back and forth. I think they were still kind of feeling that out how the combinations were going to work and then Liz Cambay judge had work permits to get back and basketball shape. She's carrying the load since Asia Wilson went down with injury the past three games I think she's she's got a double doubles so they're just they're playing well together and I think all of us who picked them to to win it. All at the beginning of the season expected a little law. Maybe at the beginning season but that it was going to finally come together and now you're seeing that happen. They're eight and two and their last ten games and I just I think they're either going to finish in the in the number one or number two spot by the by the time this season's done looking ahead to next