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BK welcomes Dave Logan

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BK welcomes Dave Logan

"There will be no death by inches. This is the broncos daily podcast with brandon krisztal. I want everything. I want all the meatballs and pasta. Happy saint patrick's day broncos country can do things a little differently for this version of the broncos. Daily podcast going to let you hear the hour. That i did. Michael brennan ends up being about a half hour a little more than half hour When when's all boil down you take everything out of it. But i filled in for michael brown six seven that two little free agency special with it. Being the start of the league year broncos making a move a running back mike luna break it all down here And and give you some ronald darby with big alan joe joe joe joe specifically gals on vacation and then i talked to the voice of the broncos dave logan so Got all that volume but rather than talking twice. I'll just do the the first time. Where i think i did a pretty well so Here is me filling in for michael brown on our special broncos a free agent our and hope you enjoy here on the broncos daily podcast i will be at the broncos facility in a face to face the press conference for the first time i wanna say in in over a year right the last press conference i would have been at before. This was probably at the combine Before everything shut down with. But now i've been to the broncos facility and was getting tested there have been two obviously every one of their home games but didn't have any face to face press conferences tomorrow. The broncos are going to introduce ronald darby. The new cornerback. They signed to start on the left side at least when the year starts i suppose. They draft a cornerback. Maybe that player will at some point. Edge ronald darby. Darby might move to the right side but ronald darby than shelby harris. I believe will both be introduced tomorrow. The team set out a press release about the press conference. It will carry live on big allen show during football at four. That's when the press conference is scheduled to take place. I gotta do physicals and everything and then get their contracts signed. I suppose if justin simmons work out a new deal. Maybe he's part of the press conference. Maybe he gets his own press conference a day later if they can get that deal done. But the broncos have been steady in their moves but not really maybe any big splashes. I reported about a little more than an hour ago. Give or take a double check. The exact time stamp But the the broncos maybe even closer half hour The broncos running back mike boone. Who comes over from the. Vikings agree to a two year deal for just under four million bucks two point. Six of that is going to be paid in the first year. One point six of its guaranteed and so mike moons a guy that has been a big time special teams player in minnesota. Not a lot of mileage on the field. He hasn't missed any games either. He's been a special teams Contributor fifty three percent of the special snaps last year fifty one percent the year before that. He's got a Hundred yards in his career. I wrote it up earlier Need to pull my notes backup. Three hundred seventy nine yards. It's just seventy one touches four scores though and he's caught seven passes for twenty eight yards. Eight special teams tackles. But you'll likely see them competing as as a gunner. at times. He has a chance to compete to be the second running back and buy them signing mike boone. Today that means that Will expect fell lindsay's likely gonna sign somewhere else and that was sort of the way it was set up when they put unoriginal round tender on the cu product. They beyond hooked for two point. One million dollars if he signed the tender but of another team offers them a deal. And the broncos choose not to match. I wouldn't expect they will. Then he can just walk out the door without any restrictions or that team needing to send back any compensation whereas alexander johnson and tim. Patrick obviously alexander's teams leading tackler. Tim patrick the most reliable pass catcher last year and a lot of people's opinion they get second round tenders even though both those guys were undrafted as well so they're gonna make three point three three four million i think is what it is three point. Three eight four something Around three point three million is and maybe three point. Four million is what they'll make this year if a team went to offer them a deal. In the broncos didn't wanna match that team would have to provide their second round. Pick back to the broncos so phillip lindsay will probably have a new home here shortly. Shelby harris again his deal three years. Twenty seven million. Fifteen of that guaranteed. He gets nine million dollar signing bonus ten million this year about the same number next year and then if he makes it to that third year about eight and a half million. They could cut them if they decide. They're done with the more they could restructure. That's a long ways down. The road ronald darby three years thirty million. We're gonna hear from ronald darby. After we check in on traffic he talked to joe early in the show and a lot of people that are in the car now. Maybe didn't hear that so you can hear the enthusiasm. He wants to come in and work three years. Thirty million nineteen and a half guaranteed for a six year. That who has bounced around the league was a second round draft. Pick by buffalo played fifteen games as a rookie. Fourteen second year then goes to philly and just injury after injury was was a part of the super bowl team there in philly that beat the patriots His last year affiliate tears his acl I think that's the time line on he. He'll talk about it with joe here coming up and then last year. He started all sixteen games in washington. It was the first time he started all sixteen games. He's athletic he's rangy. He's good in coverage fit in great unless side of this defense. It's the the biggest knock on him to this point those that he he's not necessarily a ball hockey wasn't at florida state. And in the pros he's only had eight picks six years and none last year in washington. Although i heard the staff from jo fi he was fifth in the league in passes defended. So he's in and around the ball if you look at pictures of them which i did for our web story. He definitely has hand on the football in his around the football so sticky coverage That's the way he was described by fred. Smoot yesterday to me. When i was filling in for big allen joe joe on the on the afternoon show. He's the pre and post game host for the washington football team. So it'll be cool to hear ronald darby if you if you miss that. Cream jackson no longer bronco. They decline his one and a half million dollar option yesterday. He's a free agent. At thirty three years old. And joe and i were talking about this in the floor o'clock hour. I don't know what the market's going to be for thirty three year old safety. And so the broncos save ten million bucks an actual cash and seven million in cap space. There's about a two point. Eight million hit and dead money but if there's a robust market for k. jack. I wouldn't be surprised if vic fangio not jordan vic fangio gets on the phone. I'm not trying to slight george but you know vick was instrumental in getting shelby here. Last year on a one year deal to return and just you know go for a second year and try things out in his defense and look at look at how well that worked out for shelby so k. Jack a little different situation obviously has made the bulk of his money. But maybe vic says look you're a really good player next adjusting and we just couldn't wrap up upwards of twenty five million dollars of justin's on a new deal or maybe even more at the very least thirteen and a half plus the tend to two k jack originally twenty three plus million in safety so we'll see there and then von miller his option picked up yesterday. Looks like he's going to play on that full eighteen and a half million dollar deal so we've covered it all in terms of where they are to this point i still think. They're looking for depth in the secondary. Probably a corner. The the deals that have happened today in a lot of instances are for restricted free agents. That weren't tendered. So guy like levi. Wallace is a quarterback that i think the broncos may have had their eye on would have been a good fit. Buffalo doesn't tend to him but then they bring them back on a one year deal jordan lewis. He was not tendered by the cowboys. Cornerback former i wanna say second round. Pick out of michigan cowboys. Bring him back three years. Sixteen and a half. Then you've got some bigger deals at that down at trade rodney hudson. The pro bowl center gets sent from the raiders to arizona. What the raiders are doing. But instead of cutting rodney us and he said he wanted out so now he joins the thirty plus club with larry fitzgerald and jj watt and now add to it aj green on a one year deal assuming fits is back arizona. People go to retire arizona. This team would have been really good in some respects in. You know twenty thirteen twenty fourteen but Rodney hudson's now they're in arizona The chiefs after signing joni to joe tuning. I'm sorry that big deal or signing kyle long on a one year five million dollars deal. They have a lot of guards. I don't under- doing at tackle The eagles led alshon jeffery and Jacksonville former super bowl. Fifty hero Molly jackson scored the touchdown on the sack. When von miller punch the ball out on cam. Newton maliki is a free agent. Gerald everett goes from the rams to the seahawks one year deal that he announced himself on in the money came out. I think six seven million bucks. Are powell matt prater also going arizona two years seven million. Curtis samuel reunited. Ron ron rivera in washington. Three years thirty four and a half kenny. Golladay is probably the biggest prize on the free agent market on the offensive side in terms of skill positions the former pro bowl wide receiver. Who is really hurt last year. For a detroit lions. He has been offered a deal by the bengals but he's visiting the giants and wants to see what all is out there. So you're caught up on today's free agent news. We're going to hear from ronald darby. Get to know. The broncos new cornerback covered a bunch of moves reviewed. What the broncos did gonna talk to you. Dave logan voice of the broncos coming up here after our news break at the bottom of the hour and a couple commercials. So we'll get dave's take on on. All these broncos moves but shortly after the shelby harris re-signing was announced in an reported. I guess it was reported in announced by his agent About ninety minutes later. We've found out ronald darby is going to be a denver bronco three years thirty million nineteen and a half guaranteed again. A former second rounder. Plenty of talent. But he's missed twenty plus games in his six year career and he's been with three teams. He was traded from the bills in the second year. Or maybe right after second year to fill leave after three years. Torn acl and the last year in washington signed a one year. Three million dollar deal They call approve at the elry. You'll hear players say they bet on themselves. He bet on himself and it came up pretty when you talk about three years. Thirty million nineteen and a half guaranteed. He's going to be introduced at a press conference tomorrow. alongside shelby harris. I believe we'll see not only george peyton but maybe vic fangio as well In that press conference in person at the broncos facility. Ucla training center not sure. Exactly what will be. I think it may be in the pat bolan fieldhouse But will be cool being at a press conference and getting to see ronald darby face to face a but right. Now we get to hear ronald darby. Who was nice enough to join. Big joe joe earlier Will joe joe solo with no big al's big house off this week so i will let you hear how excited ronald darby is to join the denver. Broncos let's go to our hotline and welcome in the newest member of the denver broncos and that is ronald darby rana. Welcome to koa newsradio congratulations. Thank you thank you. I'm excited so i'm looking here and i'm just going to throw this out okay. Let's see you've played. You got drafted by the buffalo bills. You played for the philadelphia eagles last year. The washington football team. And now you get to come to denver colorado. Do you hit the lottery. Yeah you know being in the mid west. And i'm excited to get out and play like i'm ready now. You know we obviously have altitude out here which is going to be a a little bit different. But you know you've had a you've had a pretty darn good career in last year. A healthy year playing for the washington football team obviously health a big factor for you. And how excited are you to be part of vic. Fangio's defense here in denver. I'm very excited. Has some guys say. I'm real coastal barbie. He was dead last year so he was telling me about. Everything is out there. And telling me i'm gonna like it and everything but i'm excited. Get out there and play so. He played on both sides of the ball. You've played left corner. You've played right corner. Do you have a preference or does it not matter you just wanna play it really. Don't matter wherever the scene at the most. Like i could play both. I'm comfortable playing. Both i started all left when i got the buffalo. 'cause i killed more on our side and he was a right hand side so i didn't really have to move and then i was more needed on the right side. I wasn't left and last year washington. I can't do on the right side. So i could just stayed on the left so either ordeal for me. I'm comfortable playing so the secondary here in denver. Obviously we've got some young talent as you mentioned baas b and and who who is here and somebody you knew who whilst you know on this team who are you excited to be playing with To be honest. I don't really know that many people on a chain well i i do At school with the markets walker. That was one of my close friends in college. We both went to florida state Of course everybody know about von miller made my job. So i'm saying i'm decided to get out there and say so last year playing for the washington football team. I was your only airplane with washington and it was probably one of the weirdest years in the nfl. A team that dropped its name is waiting to pick up a new nickname and and just kind of plain jane out the uniforms and then you play during covid. How different was last season for you. Even though it was it was difficult in the beginning. You just had to get used to not having a fans you know like boost you up you know when you run out of the people in the stands like it gives you a certain type adrenaline rush that. It's hard to explain so you know. Sometimes you come sign away. The field like a little flat but like i feel like you know couple minutes into the game you know. Pick it back up so when you talk about playing here in denver. Have you ever played a game in the mile high city. I never i never played a game out there. Wow so it's going to be so when you come to denver. Is it going to be the first time you've ever been here my first time. Oh my goodness. Let me. just tell you something ronald you are in. You are in for a treat. This is maybe one of the most beautiful places in our country. And you're going to get you're going to get to play here in a pretty darn good defensive scheme. What do you know about vic. Fangio the kind of defense that we run here in denver I was on the phone with him. I saw 'em. He explained you know how they monday. Defense and how things are like corner for years and everything. So and i also like i said i talked to bosnia. You say he liked the defense as well outside of that from what i heard. You know a great thing. How nice was it to play. Sixteen games this year and be healthy It was a blessing. You know i just moved coming off my acl. And who that next year. I was going to be like fighting it like fighting through stuff as far as my leg and things so once i got over that hurdle like i feel great and that's what that's what i so last year like i could be on the field and stay on the field. I just had to get over that little hurdle so and you played healthy in a year. Where a lotta guys got hurt because the offseason program was a little bit different and not having training camp Be the way that. I you know lots of things that were a little bit different. That offseason program being gone didn't hurt you. Yeah i just had You know when i had to pass i had. I just had a new way. And you have to put a lotta money and time into your body outside of the facility and that sound that. I've learned to do and know how to do now. I'll put in a lot of work on myself outside of you know facility so obviously we talked to you rappaport yesterday and we know that He told the story yesterday. About how ron rivera was pretty disappointed to be losing. You tell us what it was like to play for coach rivera especially last year while he was really fighting for his life dealing with cancer he one of the best coach in play for like strip that guy show becoming in that building. Say we and still like caring about what's going on. He he keep straight which you like a great guy to play with. And i'm gonna miss time for them like i'm excited to move along. Well he was very. He was bummed to be losing you and one of the things that he said about you is that you're going to be pro bowler. I mean when you hear those. Those words coming from a coach the played for in you played well for i mean you had fifth most defended passes in the league last year. And i think you're like third overall in the time that you've been playing in the league. I mean that's high praise coming from your former head coach. You like i said. I'm a professional and i come in. I'm gonna work hard. And i'm gonna study. Don't complain. I'm just go out there and get my job done. That's what that's what i do each week. We'll feel well. We are looking forward to seeing you in the blue and orange of the denver broncos. Pretty good deal for your three years. Thirty million nineteen and a half guaranteed. You're gonna find it you're gonna love it here and we've got the best fans in the nfl. Ronald so welcome to the denver broncos. Thank you there. You go ronald darby. Sound excited ready for a fresh start with a team. That really wants them. In the broncos three years thirty millions a nice deal but not break the bank deal. Even william jackson atop free agent corner on the market. His deal is only three years. I think forty and a half with washington so competitive but nineteen and a half million if if darby has injury issues like he's had them. I'm certainly not trying to put that autumn. Then you you Can get out of it without really hurting you. you know. It's not one of those blockbuster. Five year you know. Ninety million dollar deals that you'll see for some of the top defensive players Let's take a timeout though. We'll get some news with. I think it's still connor shreve. Maybe it's chad now And then on the. I still connor good on the other side. We will talk to the voice of the broncos. Dave logan get his take on all of the moves that the broncos have made special didn't hear him this morning. And then now the mike boone. Signing the running back from the vikings coming over to play special teams and battled be the second running. Back with a behind. Melvin gordon. so we'll see how it all shakes out there but to start the league year and nobody better really in the entire rocky mountain region to talk broncos winston with the longtime voice of the broncos thirty one years i believe he just completed last season. Dave logan you. Of course every single day on. Logan and louis nine to noon davis my math right at thirty one or thirty two. I don't wanna short. You know you did not sure me. Thirty one is Thirty one is correct. Started when i was sixteen and Rapidly approaching fifty great so thirty six more years to catch vin scully. There we go there we go. I'm mark i've got. I've got my tally If anybody can do it. I know it's you so i wanna go through some of these moves with you the the one today they keep getting smaller not bringing von miller is small but they kind of made whatever their splash was day. One then von miller yesterday was kind of the only move and the only move. Today is bringing in mike boone on a two year deal under four million bucks two point six as this year. One point six of that's guaranteed. He's a special teamer. That's played over half the special team snaps for minnesota four touchdowns in his three year career. I think they liked him. Had they not gotten phillip lindsay but he certainly feels like the phillip lindsay replacement once. They're gonna you know. See philip land. What do you think of the mike boone acquisition. Well i mean. I think it's pretty clear that They like mike booth more than they like phillip lindsay and You know In in the national football league You know that's that's the way things go from time to time. I mean i think most people really like lindsey. i've been a big phillip lindsay fan of said so many times on the air. Since since he was south high school went to see you and mean that his story is is that well chronicles but in the nfl All that really doesn't matter. I will say this I didn't think they got as much out of philip in in his stay here in denver as they could have or as they should have Again i'm biased. I just think he's a hell of a football player. And a guy that You can utilize in so many different ways and get into space. And he's tough and he's fast and he's allusive But they get to decide what sort of back they want. And that's that's how the nfl set up so I'm not gonna sit here and tell you. I know a lot about mike boon As you said he's been a backup running back but a guy that without question they had their eyes on. I think when they tendered lindsay the way they did. And so we'll see you mentioned these special teams guy and He's he's sturdy back. I know that for sure watching minnesota a couple of times. So we'll see how he sort of fits into the Pat shurmur office. And actually and i didn't wanna spend too much time on this but when you look at one of the things that seemed like we asked all the time. They weren't healthy together. A lot was we'd asked pat shurmur would ask vic fangio about the running back split heading into the game. We didn't think they'd give us a game plan. And then you're they're calling the games and go afterwards like okay. Look like melvin. Had sixty one percent of the snaps and philip had thirty seven royce freeman at do percent or whatever. If my math is right there might have been off by by once. I'm not good at math but there won't be any of that. Mike moon is brought into to spell. Melvin gordon this. Point royce freeman efforts. Anyone else levante bella amir or whatever this will be the the melvin gordon show. Now as part of this offense yeah. There's no doubt about that. And i think they're paying. I mean listen. They're they're pain. Melvin gordon as a top flight back. And so and i thought melvin had a good season Is gotta stop putting the ball on the ground. It had some issues obviously off the field. But he's a big big sturdy back but but they're paying him. I mean they're paying him top money and so Part of this may be that they wanna they wanna be able to feature him and when you rotate backs You know that that's that can get really tricky. I mean the the standard sort of phrases. We're gonna go with the hot back backs. A lot of times. They need carries to sorta get into the rhythm of the game. And if your intent on trying to get equal carey's or sufficient playing time for both backs that can be that can be tedious and laborious. I think so again. I think it's It's it's certainly within their right to do so. I think they have to go with the players that they want to go with my hope. Is that phillip. Lindsay gets a chance to To move on. I certainly think there'll be some team that will give him a contract and really value him. maybe san francisco that that that is bounced around arizona. That name is bounced around as well I don't think phillip. We'll have a hard time finding a place that he'll have a chance to continuous career and get significant playing time. The i think you hit the nail on the head those well cliff kingsbury offense but there's a familiarity vance. Joseph has has a strong voice there with the personnel steve and cliff. But i'll shanahan. Mike and matt lafleur both running. Kyle's version of offense right in new york and in green bay. Maybe they're looking for depth. Perhaps yeah i'm with you. I don't think he'll be out of work and probably get paid more than the two point one. So when you look at the four other big moves they make so. Let's skip the two second round tenders but bringing shelby back signing ronald darby on a three or thirty million dollar deal releasing cream jackson not picking up the one and a half million in the ten million overawe or picking up von seven and likely paying eighteen and a half which one surprised you the most of those four well. I didn't think they were just going to let von miller Walk away. I mean i just think it would be silly to let him walk away. I think you and i both have heard that. They wanted to try to renegotiate. That contract von Didn't want to do that. And i think that's listened. That's the players the players right. I mean contracts. People that don't understand the nfl talk about the contracts and when a player in the midst of four or five year deal wants to go back in after year to renegotiate a lot of people look at that and say wait a minute mean you sign a contract you should. You should honor that contract. I'm all about honoring contracts except in the nfl. That's not really how it's done and the contract is never heard from the club's standpoint. So as long as the teams have the right for instance to sign a five year deal and then unilaterally come in after your to say listen You're not playing as good a football. Is we think we think you should be playing. Therefore we're going to get rid of the they old player Anything years three four and five as long as that exists. Then i see nothing wrong with the player sort of drawing the line especially those and there are very few of those that get the opportunity to really leverage their situation. So i'm not mad at vaughn for for not really wanted to take a pay cut. I think the broncos did the right thing but pick picking up the option it. My hope is that von is is going to be healthy and He was healthy heading into camp last year but if he's healthy this year. Excuse me. I really think von can have a heck of a year. We we talked about jackson Before i'm a big fan of his It's it's unusual for guys who are really good at playing corner to move inside and then move inside and have the kind of Ability and Explosion in attack. Lean that i think. Kareem jackson has had his entire career. Guys that move inside from the quarter And play safety. Some of those guys have been able to do it and they get you on the ground but very few are those are those guys that come up and we'll torpedo you just really Be a difference maker in terms of his ability to hit. So i think. The broncos will miss kareem jackson For sure But but it was not surprising to me that they went that route. Maybe if the market is flat for him because he's still thirty three they circle back around. Say look we want you back just not at that same money and if someone else can offer them lower or whatever maybe maybe there's a chance that it gets on the phone like he did shelby harris a year ago and gets gets them back. I don't think. I have dave logan voice of the broncos. Nice enough to give us a time here in this. Special bonus hour Talking football before broncos country night in for michael brown when you just evaluate what. George payton's down in his first two months on the job Which is of about when he got iras and the january twelfth was when he he was hired. If memory serves me writer tenth. Or something like that What do you think of of how it's gone. So far in his his approach. Kind of a steady approach not overspending Just kind of shorn. Some things up George peyton evaluation or a great to this point. Well i mean. I think he's i think he's done he's done fine. I mean we you know. He's he's a football guy. We we all heard that I've told the story. I talked to a couple of guys that have been in the league longtime and they they They hold george in in very high regard. They said he's a grinder is a guy that will be an early and stay late. He understands the game. He's not going to give you any information meeting you Members of the press which is fine. I think i think too often those that do that. Wind up getting themselves in trouble. But i think peyton looks at this roster with some good players on it and and really wants to add to that george payton can't afford to. I'm not saying they're not gonna try to win this year but george peyton looks at this long term. He's got a six year deal and so he could afford to build this thing right the way you build it to me as you get as many good football players as you possibly can if that means you have the ninth pick and you wanna trade down and get an extra second round. Pick with somebody who wants to move up to the nice slot. You may entertain doing that. Because you want to fortify this roster and there are certain positions and of course you've got to go but i mean there's certain positions that we all know the broncos desperately need help in so i think he's done fine. It'll be interesting to see sort of approach in the in the draft and what direction they go but it would not surprise me in the least if the broncos trade now that ninth overall selection and try to get as many quality picks as they possibly can then. The key is you. Don't make mistakes in the draft. Not you're gonna make some mistakes but you don't make as many mistakes as what we've seen recently here into. Here's the best in the biz. Ver- reason dave really appreciate you. Give me some time here at night. Can't wait to hear you again tomorrow. Nine to noon. Like would you ever day. And i'm picking your to win. Two games in the big dances. Let you know so. I believe i believe it's yours so so am i. I'm looking forward to see what the buffs can do all right. Thanks dave logan you can catch him every weekday nine to noon on. Logan and louis really appreciate dave logan. They're breaking it all down with the broncos moves. And i do think that it's not the of a divided can't but you have your biased diehard phillip lindsay fans and and it's understandable. And then you have. Maybe the people in the midst three camps people in the middle that appreciate what he did. and and saw the two thousand yards. Seattle's an undrafted kid and you you tie in the local ties obviously born and raised here south high. See you and all that. And then you have the the ottoman calm pragmatic but fans at wanted more from him writer or were bummed that he was banged as banged up as he was. But i just don't think he's been the same as a pass. Catcher look wasn't christian. Mccaffrey before and then after. He broke his wrist at the end of the year against the raiders and missed the the pro bowl his rookie year. I think that really hampered is development as a pass catcher and he's never been the best sharpest route runner so when they look at the way he attacks you on the football field. He's top gear that that few people have including melvin gordon and melbourne doesn't have that but The argument to be made is that they run. Similarly between the tackles. Melvin bigger you heard dave mentioned sturdier and and so he's going to be more durable and he and he has been pretty durable in his career is at fumbling issues but also as much as you want the guy that can break you off forty you really want the guy that will just get you for every time and i know phillips average has been really good at times but i think that you also look at at melvin gordon. And he's had a really good average has been really good on the goal line. So it's going to be gordon show and and maybe just for a year. That's the other thing too. Though is the broncos were the beneficiaries of a hall of fame running back. That's one of only two running backs ever to lead the league in rushing and when the super bowl. terrell davis did it. Obviously the year he rushed for two thousand yards. Mvp season and emmett smith. And that's it in the history of the fifty five years of the super bowl so you need a solid running back but you don't need a frontline back and having to that are splitting carries. And and maybe you're taking away from one was a luxury that the broncos They thought they didn't need when you look at it. So they bring in. Mike boone today two years just under four million bucks point six of that. He's going to get paid this year. One point six of its guarantees have done work. It's really just a one year. One point a one year two point six million dollar deal So i understand. It's going to be a bummer. To see philip go somewhere else but hopefully thrives there and you cheer for him and you'll be done come back to to bite you. When the when the broncos play whomever he ends up landing with but use the chiefs. As an example. They had a first round draft pick. That didn't touch the ball as much especially the playoffs. Maybe a little more in the super bowl now didn't matter because they obviously got their doors. Manav but daryl williams ahead of clyde edwards helaire and ahead of levy on bell a couple of years ago is paid back and football are one of them Daryl williams got the bulk of the carries last year was damian williams after they cut kareem hunt The year before. So just one of those things where phillip lindsay is a hell of a player and you wish him well but you understand. At least i understand why the broncos moved on from i bet unless you're listening closely in and help that you were. You couldn't even hear how smooth. I was at taken out my tosses traffic. They're filling in for michael brown sixty seven on koa. But now you got to hear from dave logan you got to meet new broncos cornerback ronald darby and so i appreciate you indulging me there tomorrow it'll be at the broncos facility for introductory press conferences ronald darby and rian directory press conference of very happy shelby harris. I think we'll see from We'll see george peyton an vic fangio out there so We'll have all that for you on. Tomorrow's broncos daily podcast. I appreciate you rockin with me. We'll catch you next time. On said broncos daily podcast thanks.

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1163: [Part 1] How to Gamify Your Life to Quickly Accomplish Big Goals by Benjamin Hardy on Personal Development

Optimal Living Daily

06:32 min | 2 years ago

1163: [Part 1] How to Gamify Your Life to Quickly Accomplish Big Goals by Benjamin Hardy on Personal Development

"This is optimal. Living daily episode. Eleven sixty three how to game fire your life too quickly. Accomplish big goals part one by Benjamin hardy of Benjamin hardy dot com, and I'm just a molecule happy Saturday. Hope you're having a great weekend. If you're listening to real time and welcome back or welcome for the first time zoo. I read you every single day of the year w Livermore meaningful life covering personal, development productivity and minimalism mostly from some of the best bloggers and authors, you can find with their permission, of course, as Argos a bit longer than usual. Some breaking it up into two episodes and without let's get right to part one and start. Optimizing your life. How to game affi- your life too quickly? Accomplish big goals part. One by Benjamin hardy of Benjamin hardy dot com. Is your life? A video game filled with challenging quests and new adventures or has your life becomes somewhat stale as most people get older, they lose their childhood sense of wonderment and openness most people stop growing and settle for reality as they see it. But life doesn't have to suck growth doesn't have to be slow. Your life can become like a game where you pursue greater obstacles, learn new skills and have thrilling experiences does article details of few strategies you can use to game fire your life. If you apply these strategies you will quickly ascend to higher and higher levels, you'll continually become better and enjoy more of life compete with those way ahead of you, quote is the most closely allied forms Fridays of the same species and species of the same genus or of related genera, which from having nearly the same structure constitution inhabits generally, come into the severe competition with each other. Charles darwin. What Darwin is explaining is that all forms of life compete with those most closely related and other words, you compete with those most similar to you. It would make less sense for a painter to compete with a rock climber. Rather a rock. Climber advances are skills by competing with other rock climbers generally of a similar skill level. In business terms, you can be with those in the same industry and within that industry, the little guys and gals generally compete with the other little guys while the big guys compete with the other big guys. Although this is the most obvious in widespread form of competition. It is misplaced for those seeking rapid growth for two reasons. Number one competing with those at your same level, yield slow and minimal improvements, you're better off competing with people far advanced than your current level in his book, the art of learning in energy, Ernie to optimal performance. Josh. Wade skin shares how he applied this principle to become world class at Chi when give. Unsupervised practice time way skin observed that most others in his Taichi class would naturally practice with those at their same skill level or slightly worse is was done in many ways out of ego because who wants to lose it's more fun to beat someone when given the opportunity way skin took the opposite approach in apply to principal he termed investing in failure. He would purposefully practice with people far more skilled than he was in so doing he would get kicked out of him over and over however this process, compressed and quicken wait skin skill development. He could experience firsthand. The abilities of those often years ahead of him the mirror neurons in his brain allowed him to quickly mimic match and counter his superior competitors. Does he progress much faster than others in his class? This is the essence of baseball player's swinging. Multiple bats before going at bat when just one bad is in their hand, it feels much lighter similarly, endurance athletes, train in higher elevations and harder terrains than the. Actual race. So that when the actual race occurs there over prepared take away rather than competing with people at your perceive skill level compete with those who are where you want to be here in lies a fundamental decision making difference between those who become successful and those who don't on successful people make decisions based on current circumstances. While successful people make decisions based on where they desire to be number two. The best only compete with themselves in the book tribal leadership leveraging natural groups to build a thriving organization. Dave Logan, and his co authors explained that most organizational cultures have high within competition, but simply in most organizations, the people within those organizations are competing with each other. There's backstabbing sucking up at Sarah to ascend the organizations ladder, and he's organizations each person is out for themselves. They're more focused on their own goals than the organ. Zan's goals? Logan, calls these stage three organizational cultures far fewer organizations. Evolve beyond this egomania and develop a culture of collaboration within and competition without put simply members within these organizations are fiercely committed to their organization and have made the organization's goals their own goals. Logan, calls these stage four organizational cultures within these organizations. There is beautiful synergy rather than competing with their teammates. They're competing with other organizations. According to Logan's research organizations with stage four cultures generally dominate organizations with stage three cultures very rarely an organization will transcend competition altogether, reflecting what Logan call stage, five organizational culture. These are groups of people who are doing things. No one else is doing in many ways, they've created their own John rar niche, their only competition themselves and wherever their imagination takes them. Takeaway collaboration will yield far greater results than competition said bestselling author. Jeff Gordon's, quote is not who you know. It's who you help and quote, eventually get to the point where you move beyond competition with others in order to create your most innovative and unique work to be continued. You just listen apart one of the post titled how to game a I your life too quickly -ccomplish big goals by Benjamin hardy of Benjamin hardy dot com. That's it for today. Hope you're having a great weekend. Thank you for being here. And I'll see you tomorrow show where we'll finish up this post, and where your optimal life awaits.

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BK Recaps The Raiders Game with Ryan Edwards

Broncos Daily Podcast

46:58 min | 7 months ago

BK Recaps The Raiders Game with Ryan Edwards

"Wish your dog born to dash and dance this holiday season. Find out where all that energy comes. From with an embarked on dna kit discover your dogs unique breed mix by screening for three hundred and fifty breeds and one hundred ninety. Genetic health conditions developed by veterinarians. Give your dog the best care with the highest rated dog. Dna test order now for the best deal of the year. Save sixty four dollars on a and health kit with promo code. Dna at embark van dot com. That's promo code. Dna at embark vet dot com. We'll be no deaths by inches. This is the broncos daily podcast with brandon krisztal. I want everything all the meatballs apostate. Well it's monday broncos country and we're certainly not going to call it a happy monday. Not when you lose thirty. Seven twelve in fashioning did not thirty seven twelve in any fashion which is not acceptable. And you'll hear dalton rising. Say that but you go to las vegas first trip there. To sin city is the nfl. Obviously now has a team there in your rival the raiders. And you lay that kind of goose egg. And what's frustrating is at the broncos had plenty of chances to take control that game or certainly stay in that game and quarterback drew lock and the rest of the offense as well as at times. The defense has let them down. the raiders. were begging the broncos to take advantage in the first half and whether it was the end of the half with the holding penalty on noah fant and the interception by drew lock the inability just to put points on the board. The defense came to play in that first half. It was ten six at halftime. It was thirteen six until that. Josh jacobs touchdown with thirty six seconds left in the third quarter but five turnovers no takeaways. And you're sitting here scratching your head now. You couldn't get anything going on the ground you had had to abandon it at some point and you really just couldn't sustain drives the broncos even though third down numbers weren't atrocious. They weren't efficient enough when they needed to be. There were seven fifteen which you'll take most weeks. Forty seven percent. Actually better than the raiders. The raiders came in as the second best team on third down nearly entire league. Whereas the broncos came in twenty ninth. I think our thirtieth on third down but too many three and outs too many more. Plays for the raiders. Dave logan on the broadcast said to start the second half. It was twenty three to three. Because the raiders dominating time of possession over all that that number ended up being thirty six minutes and thirty eight seconds at twenty three twenty two. And you can't turn the ball over five times not win the game. Vic fangio said as much dave logan. We'll hear from vic fangio. We'll hear from drew lot. Do locks not going anywhere. He is the quarterback until the end of the year. You know last week. I played had the conversation with big alan. You heard him say he's not worried about drew lock. I don't know if that's still the case. But he's more worried about the play calling and and the opportunity put drew lock in position to succeed. You'd have calvin anderson. Start your fifth different tackle on your depth chart fourth different to play there this year. Obviously john james opted out. But no jake rogers demar dotson was available but only in an emergency setting. So calvin anderson got his first start. The broncos didn't give up a lot of sacks. But i do want to go back and check the pressure numbers. I haven't seen those yet. Didn't do a lot of digging though. Either i ended up having to do post. Game broncos. react for man. Mike reiss who was battling a cold and losing his voice. So that kinda threw off my my normal post-game routine but drew lock was flush out of pocket. Plenty although it's one of the things we have to go back and look and say was he flushed because of pressure or did he just kind of sent something and bail more quickly than he needed to. So the the broncos now at three and six for the fourth straight season three and six through nine games. It's confounding and there's plenty of blame to go around vic fangio indicate here in just a second and you can start at the top visit. Joe ellis fault. Is it the bowl and families. Fault is it is it john. Elway's fault is vic fangio vault drew lock and the rest of the team. I think there's there's plenty of blame to go around. And now you get a good dolphins team coming in this weekend. So no rest for the weary after that it's the saints. Don't love drew brees or not so that would sort of change things when the saints come down but the saints have a really good really good team this year and and it'll be a challenge thanksgiving weekend but right now you gotta worry about a team. That's won five in a row. Then you've got to figure out how to get this thing turned around. So i could sit here and just keep talking at you. You'll hear my conversation with ryan edwards in just a little bit. But he and. I talked on broncos react. So we'll get thoughts from those broncos country night bullets here from the guys who were on the field vic. Fangio is ed coach. And then you live from drew. Lock bryce callahan. Really pissed off. Dalton reisner and josie joel. So we will get to drew's chat after vick's. We'll do vic. I vic with dave logan and the big zoom call. Because obviously there's more detail in zoom call at times is based on the time constraints. Dave has anywhere from two to three minutes. Typically and jim can go from five to ten depending on whether it was a winner a loss typically and sometimes for some of the players but for for vick and drew before we get to victim reminding about chug water chilly chug water chilies. Spicer western life go to chug water. Chilly dot com use my promo code chug. Water became save twenty five percent. You can find your local grocer but it is chilly weather here on the horizon. Although we gonna have a really nice week here in the mile high city it's going to be mild in the sixties and seventies here the next few days then it's gonna start getting colder but you're listening to me anywhere you got friends and family that you know love chili go to chug water shield dot com promo code chug water. Bk to save twenty five percent are. Here's vic fangio. Game with dave logan tough one for sure. I'm not even sure where to start with this one. But offensively you guys turn it over five times four interceptions in it. You don't need me to tell you that you just can't win a game. Turn the ball over that many times. Now that's pretty obvious. Seven artists ever been done. But i wish we have to do a better job of protecting the ball to do a better job of making first. Downs sustaining drives whether it be through the air or through the ground right now. We're struggling in both areas to be consistent there and we gotta get some more critical stops on third down on defense touch. Your defense honestly played pretty well in the first half Down ten to six and you throw an interception that could have you have a holding call on a play that would put you in the lead but then in the second half. I thought defensively you wore down. You're out there a long long time and the second half we were know the offensive struggles and some of that you know we gotta get them. Stop theirselves defense. So that's a two way street. That's a team step and we gotta do better in both areas less question you now. Three and six. You know you've got You've got seven games left after a game like this when it it just nothing seemingly works on offense as a head coach. What what what's your message to the team. How do you get them to to move forward into into play better. Well all of our fingerprints are on coaches players. Everybody involved in it and we've all got to take a good hard look at it. We have been doing that. Obviously we haven't found the right formula solutions but we're going to grind away at and get ready to play good miami team next week. Okay vic thanks thank you. Everyone fingerprints are on this offense defense. Certainly special teams got more people calling for tom. Mcmahon's job i'm not going to be one of those people may just happen or won't but the special teams continues to be an issue. The hunter renfrow punt return. The usual crack back block really had nothing to do with the return. So it's just more bad coverage and and that's a concern but the biggest concern is drew. Lock throwing four exceptions. So here's vic fangio on his postgame press conference on zoom in. That was where it began was how how bothered are you. How big of a concern is it. That drew lock went out and threw four interceptions especially so many in the fourth quarter. Well obviously it's a very much of a concern obviously four interceptions You can't win turning the ball over that much We've got a good job of evaluating why we've thrown these interceptions can do the help in our everybody's fingerprints on that performance coaches players and we all have to take a good hard look at it which we have been on a weekly basis but we haven't found the right formula yet to be consistent on offense or lock again you see has confidence shattered. And if so how do you rebuild it. 's only one way to rebuild. You gotta go back to work. And he's got his start experienced experiencing play We've got to devise are passing game at our offense are running game to where he can have be more successful. I see a lot of good throws by him. I see a lot of good catchy by receivers but we seem to have that Player to that You where we throw a pick or that stops a drive so we've got to be more consistent and more efficient select bus just glide in you pull lock when things were going so bad maybe you know earlier in the game when you still when your defense was still fighting hard and give ripping a shot. Well you know we're committed to drew. And the more. He complained the better. He'll be and he's got to fight through this. Like all most young quarterbacks do at some point in their career. And we're gonna continue to play a big burst that he expressed rusty. You had been hurt in the ribs in any way Drew i mean the the trainer sent out a little something but by no means did he think that drew or the trainers think. It wasn't wasn't anything that he couldn't play with. We didn't sam. I told it offense coaches to closely watch him and then he was laboring at all. We're favorite and then The sequence of plays right before the half. What impact did you think that. Add on the game. Overall the the nullify touchdown followed by. Obviously you know could have been thirteen. Ten our favorite half or ten nine their favourite half if we don't go in and scores so obviously it's a big swing there so this critical. What kind of impact position have like right from the start off that kickoff. You're starting back at the three and you had bad field position most the first half now. We didn't start well. There was a poor decision. On the return. there we ran it and Obviously feel position does play a big part in any game and that was a part of the game that obviously came out on the short end of the stick their dick twice in the red zone there on defense One one time you had. What nine or ten players undersea. On another time. You had a content with twelve players on the. Who's responsible for that. And how does that happen. Well the one for sure that you're allergic to you know we're we're in a personnel group that we play a lot down there. One of the guys just ran out that once ran off. Feel that once boasted. Then the other time the it was there was confusion as to what personnel they had on the field which was are affecting our call. And that's why we called the time out after a few more next with run d seeming. What was the key. Sarah or to the poor performance and then gashing especially in the second half good running team obviously And we didn't we just didn't play the run well enough you know particularly if you use your edge in a game it's gonna show up in the run defense more so than anywhere else in thinking that fourth quarter you know. We just weren't sharp as you need to be playing the run. Yeah vick with a tough stretch coming up. you know. Things are only going get more difficult. What is the mood in the locker room right now. Where do you think this team mentally moving forward. Well we'll see where they're at. We get back to work on the next tuesday and wednesday and see whether out. Obviously everybody's disappointed All of our fingerprints are on that game coaches and players. Then nobody's happy about it obviously fact. Everybody's probably did very disappointed disgusted by that. A ten six game at halftime can turn out like that. But turnovers will do that too and we've got to play better coach. What is your message to the team. After this game right now well i message was the second half was unacceptable. We didn't play or coach. Good enough in that second half to stay a game. That was a four point game at halftime. And all of our fingerprints out with got regroup as you guys to. We got another really good team that we gotta play against coming up here shortly and we've got to get regrouped refocused and get our energies in our motions pointed in the right direction on ride. Our much on in terms of pressuring car was that with there. Were black or was it him. Throwing quick our our pass rush You know overall on third downs in particular wasn't one quite good enough. We were rushing for. Because they're very good passing team. We're playing coverages there to help with their passing game and they're good group receivers and you're right to pass rush wasn't good enough there for the most part known historically derek carr gets rid of the ball really really fast yes. Von miller gotten too many talked about it last week but there didn't have to do too much. He did just enough. Sixteen twenty five no sacks not dis Hundred fifty four yards. But when you run for over two hundred yards on the ground you don't need that much from your qb. And josh jacobs. Those twenty one carries one hundred twelve yards two scores devante booker. Hey we were meant. Ram sixteen carries eighty one yards and two. Tv's as well here's drew lock postgame. I appreciate druze. Honesty and his confidence does seem to almost never a waiver. And you'll hear that. In the conversation with dave logan and then it is zoom. Post game. Presser her as well. But here's drew. Lock in a dave logan following this tough loss. Tough day at the At the job site. I guess you guys had some had some opportunities in the first half and just seemed to sorta short circuit. Just talk about what what happened in the first half that just sort of bogged you guys down a bit. Yeah it was just me. It's the same old song and dance. Just hurt ourselves on third down Anytime that you know. I mean we're below fifty percent on third downs. That's gonna be tough. You know that's gonna get you off the field and put put their car in a really good offense out there on the field. I thought defense in an awesome job. Today stop them weekly. Put them. I put them in some bad physicians in they out a couple of times the the playwright before halftime you score on the. I don't know if it's a zone read. You kept the ball. You waltz into the end zone. The holding cohen noah fant and then he come back the interception right before halftime. Tell me if you can't kind of what you saw that play. Yeah you know is the backer. Mike backer made sure he opened up and he did. And the whole defender. You know allowed me to sodium behind but it was a safety that drove on it since we were in the red zone. They don't have to worry about in beat over the top and he drove it and made the play on. It's a ball. I probably should thrown back on that play But i thought i had it knee undercut it drove on pretty well. Yup a dead horse but you have four picks today. How how do you mentally as a young player. I mean how. How do you go about or do you even know how you go about. Sort of battling through where you are right now and where this offense is right now. I know how. I've had some rough years of football in my life You know the only thing different about it is. It is professional football now. It's not college football where you know. She's a bunch of kids coming plates grown men with jobs and livelihoods in. I think that's one thing we've got to keep in mind. There's there's no quitting on this right now. there's no comment with your head down to work in our snow. United just pouting is a ton of people that would love the opportunity that we have right now. What we do and It's our job to represent the team in the state than we're doing and that can be done if we'd all come in and just keep working enough. Drew appreciate they so now. The question of do you believe drew. Lock your advantage of say that. He was going to be their quarterback. He's got at least thirty seven games and and hopefully more but i think consistency is something that you're going to need to see. And you'll hear ryan edwards talk about that. You hold your josie jewel talk about consistency as well drew. Lock postgame presser. I wasn't part of it because i was racing to the studio. And the last minute call to fill in for. Mike reiss and broncos. react But i have gone back and listen to the audio cuts out. So i added that part out for you But the first question was more detail on The interception to heath to end the first half yard. And talk to dave logan about it. But that's where drew started his postgame presser. As well you'll hear again a choppy at it. All i did was take away about a minute of them trying to figure out where the audio and video went so but this is drew lock beginning his postgame pressure on that first. Half interception down there. The game was tied. Set on that window to jerry In the middle backer open up the right lane. Dropped a little bit. Didn't drop enough to where i felt. It could be a problem on the thrill. But now the sake you drive on it may display on it but the back more pistola eric Did you get dinged up. And and what's your level frustration right now. Nothing i'm fine because you definitely frustrated after they like that self anita work on us opening you better at so pushing occupied accident wanted. The raiders. haven't had that kind of success. Intercepting passes today throw some looks at you that were different than was on the film going at this game not necessarily gave us pretty normal looks. We're expecting. I just didn't put the ball in their hands. There by a thought it out i keep your. Do you feel like you're making progress in certain areas and improving your game or center for interceptions but if tempted to talk about that but just holistically. Do you feel like you're taking steps forward in some areas. Yeah i do. There's a lot of areas of taking steps aboard on but not play. Nfl only played quarterback. There's a lot of areas that eventually pop up that weren't talked about in the week for even for just a lot of stuff like goes into play position. I got to keep learning. Keep balancing good place from bad place want somebody. There's a point there in the second half before the win. The game got out of hand there. That things were getting worse for you. What our you keeping yourself. Golden you know as far as going back out there for the next series while you know doesn't pay me this base doesn't steer us on for me to quench on anything allowed to carry me off the old firm. It's just that's just what it is and we play quarterback can have bad days. Good days it's going to limit the add on the bad tour to dr drew. Where does your stand. And how do you remain confident with the offense. Not getting the results. Clearly you guys and now seven games left is time. Do you believe to kind of get this thing back on the rails and and for both the offense and use specifically yeah. There's always time there's always time if you have a mindset that's good and that's positive obviously have a very real mindset. I realized that it's not very good today. And it hasn't been very good the past couple of weeks but you know doesn't get better if you dwell on it. Keep moving forward and you keep looking into next week and plant. Just keep pushing also from what you saw last week when you were looking at their game video where they more aggressive coming after you than they had been against other now. That was there that was that was their deal. You know they were gonna come get us and we had a good idea on what they're gonna do and you know it's crazy miss imas one or two You know i did see one or two to a place you know. It's my job to see that. Get us protected and you know when he missed a couple of those and game. They're gonna they're gonna get you there and you get to and it's going to be negative play in a better job of making them not that negative plays when when i do miss we do. Miss drew lock. Says all the right things in wins and losses. Now it's about doing the right things and you hear him talk about getting back to work and and his teammates are are echoing that maybe none louder than dalton reisner the wiggins colorado native knows all about the rivalry with the raiders and knows That this is not what broncos country needs to see your wants to see your expects to see and he was asked by andrew mason. How do you describe The this loss to the raiders. That was How he kicked off his zoom press conference and here's dalton answered it unacceptable we that was unacceptable performance today and we know that we're going to dwell on that but i don't care. What the reasoning is. We obviously have watched the film yet. We don't know what the reasoning was but that was unacceptable from office standpoint and we need to be better. Those claims simple. We got to be better fellows and we. We weren't good enough today. Our team win. Don't how do you guys as an offense kinda keep competence flint. When you haven't been able to score to the degree that you want to we're always gonna keep confidence all the faith in the world and my quarterback in my running backs and the elephants lined wide receivers this organization whenever it is. There's gonna come a day where we look back on right now today and we're gonna be smiling saying man. We're glad we went through those hard times. Now look at us. And i got all the faith in the world in the organization and my teammates in you where i get the conference. I get it from my teammates. We were. We were every single day together. I look up to so many guys on this football team. I'm so thankful to be a part of this team. I look around on my teammates and they pushed me. They gave me the confidence. I could name thirty forty plus guys that are out there today that they give me confidence that were be a great football team like i said the previous answer you know. It was unacceptable from an office standpoint marquette in time for one more after this dalton anger frustration analysis. Where where are you at your head right now. A little bit of all of them angry and frustrated for sure like you guys said you know grownup broncos country not only just grown up being a big bronco fan but being a part of this team working with these fellows like i said the words unacceptable man. We need to win. Football games like this new play better is an offense and i can't give you guys analysis right now. I can't tell you exactly what went wrong in that football game. I can tell you that. I think there were a lot of good things. That might be a shocker to you guys. But i really do think there was a lot of good things speaking on the offensive line but i think that there is also things that we got better at three or four players to mess up a whole football game. You guys know that a lot of emotions right now but but those emotions don't override. We're sticking together. Anyone can go away from this program. No insert giving up on us. Whatever it is. We don't want that. They can all the matters. But we do here internally. I can promise you ain't giving up. We're not giving up. Coaches are coached. Aren't giving up on us. We're not giving up on our fans. We're not giving up our city. We're going to give him up on each other. Also kind of went into that answer. My question dolphin. Where does that confidence come from his at the culture you guys created because the outside looking in is three and six it looks ugly today obviously was a mess or does your confidence come from that you guys can get straightened and show some improvement of its second half. It comes from each other. Exactly troy answered your question man. It comes from the culture that we've created come from the locker room at us being. You know each other's teammates you know we're not looking at each other pissed and point fingers and and saying this things over and looking at like somebody y'all might be looking at it and saying it's a mess you know of course. We know that we have to be better. But we're looking at each other and saying we love each other. We know that we can do this. We believe in each other. Screw being three and six. We were way better than that and saint kind of sounds like the same old record the same old thing. Same where better football team than this. But we are and we're gonna continue to believe that and we're gonna continue pushing each and every week. I heard drew answer earlier. We're not gonna so can we're going to continue to push and wanting to get more wins on the board or they're going to help from the other side of the ball as well. You'll hear frustration in both bryce callahan josie jewels voices We will listen to them. And then we will hear my chat with ryan edwards from broncos react on koa broncos radio networks. Bryce callahan i. He's not a man of many words he just doesn't give long answers i think he's a smart kid on a lot of dummies at rice So i'm not. I'm not saying that he just he's not very loquacious and he doesn't talk to is very often but he's playing at a pro level according to pro football focus and You know he and his teammates not their hands on the ball enough yesterday. That's for sure But here's bryce callahan. Missed last week's game with the ankle injury Back against the raiders. And he knows that this team has to be better than what they put out there on the field against vegas gotta do better planning simple liking. Go out there and put that on the field. We gotta go do better so next week. We gotta come together. We got to be focused now. Practices have got to be detailed notes. Gotta get the ship turned around. Bryce ten points a lot in the first half thirteen halfway through the third hole. How small is your margin for on defense right now with the offense like it is. I know as a defense know we we could get more turnovers and stuff and helped offense out there we just gotta we just play better because on you know the the run game. I know it's not like necessarily your forte but just as as a defense collectively the run game that have been issue. Yeah i mean. I can talk miss the tackle in the wrong game so you know just for me i know. Make the play attack on figuring. That's what i say for everybody else. Take any satisfaction in your season this year. We haven't really talk that you're playing well but you're just defensively for whatever reason you guys. Just it's been tough sledding slots four weeks i mean it'd be better for getting winds through then celebrated. We're losing. I mean i don't. I'm not trying to worry about my status from trying to actually win football games. That's what makes football fun. So that's also how big of a challenge is those two drives in the third quarter where they have the ball for about six minutes each time and just kinda move the ball slowly and steadily donna field was at the turning point in your mind. Yes that's kind of where things started to get out of hand. You know as a defense you know we just got to find those those ways to get off on third down and you know. Give offense a chance to for someone called. It's estimators will give second. Is there anything you guys have done. Better stock those drives in those feels bigger cashing loans. No i haven't looked at the tape. You just gone off the field of the game just getting on third downs sites this answer. All right and then finally josie jewel. Who was the second leading tackler for the second week in a row just behind alexander johnson. They might be battling for leading tackler but josie is going to have to have a big day. He had ten to to alexander's twelve. Justin simmons right behind him at nine but josie went into the game. Seven or eight tackles behind. So he's gonna have to have a twenty five from alexander johnson in order to catch him. But night josie joel. Post game was asked what happened with the defenses momentum. Ten six at halftime. Did you guys run out of steam or oh can you put a finger on our point. Two y the second half played out the way. Did i think details. I talk about details all the time but it really is. You look at the gap kings. We're in whether it'd even fire zones or whether we'd be displaying covered you know three or one and we just gotta be able to stay in our gaps and bills that keep that has seemed gone. We can't we can't run out so you know i think it was. Maybe may we lost energy in there somewhere. And i think we We didn't do our job specifically on every single play. Might we did first. Half which was nice. Josie you've been around for a couple of these three and six starts. What is what gives you hope that this team can turn it around. I mean you just look at look who we got. I mean we got. We got some players here And really disgusted positive. I mean we haven't had the best start but all we can do is is look through next game. All we can do is try to fix the problems we had here and there's really no room for negativity in why abbott when it's not gonna make you better plus kind of defeats what i was to ask because you know look like you guys are fighting hard clay in you know well and keeping the team in the game in the offense just kept given the ball disheartening for you guys and especially in that third quarter when he had only three plays basically you might a guy guest. You get a little demoralized when the offense can get it going. We try not to look and wash off. It's too much. I mean we're on the sidelines. Usually talking to each other about when you do better on the next series and stuff like that. I mean yeah you always want everybody to play better But really all we can do on the defense focus on ourselves and really focus on how we can better the team. We takeaways to you know. They've gave up a couple of times in a. We need to take the ball away from other people. Fumbles interceptions. so that's something when you stressed because you talk you talk about details. I think on a jacobs touchdown there in the third quarter. You guys said ten guys on the field and the next On you call time out with twelve guys on the shield. Has that happened. And who's responsible for that the players. I mean we just need to be able to know who's in there. We had a couple of different personalities that we put in this week for the personnel. So we just need to know who's on a field and when they're on the field. Somebody's hurt somebody else. Needs to step in And i think that was the problem. Was maybe somebody who's hurt somebody else to try to come there. And so it's just all on his players time for a few more next pounding rosie in terms of the run game. Obviously lots of turnover. But what are you alexander wrestle. Linebackers has to do with that with those front guys You know better cohesive and prevent times. Gashing raiders had my second half. I think it just comes down to whatever coach calls. We just got to be able to re ready to feed off each other. And sometimes don't trust the guy or sometimes if you're not sure which gathers supposed to be and you know maybe you're not gonna hit his hard and i think we say i saw a couple of those today were linebackers or somebody else in the back. as hard as we usually do And that made a soft in the run game a little bit. So i mean like i said it's going to be coming out of the details and really understanding what gap you got. Every single play no matter what fence we call com. Even if they're you know running plungers why off their guys power counter marquez. On follow up since i got one last one for you said go. Jordan mark dalton. Don was saying joking that he understands people on the outside are probably losing faith. Maybe not believing you guys have circle the wagons mentality. What is it about the culture of the locker room makes you guys make you specifically you guys get through this. Yeah i mean we've seen it before but also know the guys we got. We can be good. I mean it's just. I keep on talking about its execution doing small details and being kissing we. We've had a couple of great stops three and outs offense at a couple of drives and you see little momentum shifts where we can be really good and it's just that consistency of will do it the whole game and not just that second half now just the first half and run out of steam do throughout the whole game and i think we all see marcus apple as you. Well know a growing up. It's tough for young team to do in this league. How do you define success. The rest of this year just just to be able to see consistency on the field. I don't know if there's any i mean. Yeah you wanna have you wanna win out. You want to win every single game on the on the calendar but really. I think we'll all people are worried about his consistency as what we do. The rest of the year is being able to show. We can play Showing that we can be consistent and you a small. Thanks right Which man will get the win. So you know i think it just comes down to that and then at the end of the day that should produce win so it's really what we're looking forward to know cancel. How quickly can you turn. The page broncos are off on monday. It's always there off. Takes guys getting treatment. They'll be back in tuesday. Just a lift in get work done. They're actually meeting virtually say had been. I'm not sure they're gonna continue that. Maybe i'll ask vic fangio that when we talk to him later this morning or i guess just afternoon right edwards l. was nice enough to hop on the react. Show with me last night. I filled in for mike reiss. And so we'll just jump right into it. Skip all the pleasantries. you can catch him every weeknight. Though broncos country tonight and then big big part of our pre-game festivities from the bet. Fred opening line. Koa football out and then he hosts countdown to kickoff. That starts two hours before kickoff for two hundred twenty. Five minutes depending on the kickoff but Ryan of course does a great job and so here are his thoughts and our post game conversation sunday night following this stuff thirty seven. Twelve loss to the raiders. Certainly through the the first half into the third quarter There were times that you felt like the broncos were just so close. I mean even the interception before halftime. Just one of those like okay. You know they get that. And and who knows what the momentum but instead it's a complete swing on the other side and interception you get nothing out of it and it just really is kind of addicted of how this game went well so we could go a lot of different directions and i mentioned right before the break. That the raiders were doing all they could to let the broncos only stick around but take the lead and j t. The brick texted me. That i think dave said it on the on the broadcast. I imagine that's what you were seeing from your vantage point. That's what makes it even more frustrating. It's one thing when you get your teeth kicked in from the get-go it's another thing to be in it and make so many mistakes that you you cost yourself the game in so many different ways well exactly and that was so many times that the entire game was like that so we had the interception the jamarcus walker offsides. That gave the raiders new life. They ended up getting points on that drive. You had the sack ended up. I think you had a hold or something like that. Adam you just go ahead. Sorry sorry keep going. Okay so just i. It just seemed like the whole time that The broncos find themselves in situations. You know you had you the ball back and then Daesean hamilton fumbles it. And i i mean i was really close out his news down but if they called it down the price stayed with it but instead they decided to go that way so yeah i was just an overall kind of a upper strating. Fans are obviously upset. Think justifiably upset. But you know in the end and what we're gonna do on broncos country is what we always do. It's kind of trying to figure out. Okay what wrong. How can they fix it in time for the next game. Because that's really all this is and for the broncos they're gonna give drew lock the remaining seven gains and we're going to hear a lot of hyperbole over the next twenty four to forty eight hours from people about is he the guy isn't he the guy. Should they be thinking about quarterbacks in the off season none of that really matters what matters right now is you've got folks on the next game. You gotta dig out of it. You gotta find a way to dig out of it and that's really what the team is gonna start doing tomorrow into tuesday while and then you look over the horizon. Not that you want to look too ahead because you do want to at least dissect this and figure out what went wrong before you turn the page you get a team. That's won five in a row with a really good looking young quarterback into a two dunga by law and the dolphins come in you. You probably pencilled in as a win early in the year. I don't think anything pencil and as a win at this point. And so i guess before we look at miami specifically just. How do you go about doing that. Looking at figuring out what went wrong and what seems the most correctable in the short term. Well the turnovers is the most obvious thing when your mind is five Whether at home laura on the road doesn't really matter That's that's significant and special teams. Obviously put them in some some bad positions today. So you gotta fix Couple of those things on special teams. That's been a little bit of a problem throughout the course of the season. But i mean yeah. I mean drew. Lock him throwing four interceptions. That's an easy one. You know right and i mean you you just You can't i gotta go through and watch it tomorrow. I'm going to figure out what their average starting field position was. But i assume it was really really bad off the top and it was the to the seven. The to the twenty was like when the twenty. You're starting field position not great especially when only happens once. Well right exactly. We're talking about team with a pretty narrow margin for victory almost in any given week. And the raiders been playing pretty efficient football. We came into this game knowing what they going to try to do. You knew they're gonna try to run the ball. You knew that Derek carr who has been throwing a lot of interceptions was probably not going to give the ball up and the broncos basically base. i mean basically. This game played out in a lot of the ways that we mostly thought. It's just that the broncos offense couldn't capitalized and when they did get any kind of momentum and once again they put themselves in a bad position through mistake. Well let's go down and do just for a little bit. You mentioned that he's going to get these final seven games vic. Fangio talked about that in his postgame. Zoom press conference and i think we talked about it all weekend. You talked about on your show. What do you need to see. I mentioned the big al-said mountains. Anything rule out everything. I need to see. I'll be curious. A big allies backtracking on that a little. But i'll ask the question again to you. That was asked to me last week. What do we need to see her in these final seven games because drew lock. Certainly if there wasn't doubt before or not a lot of doubt it's growing the amount of data his groping. Well certainly i maintained that the thing i want to see the most is is consistency. I think a lot of people want to see that. I'd like to see him play a full sixty minute game. I want to see maybe even a few times. I mean to to know one way or the other you know at this point. He's played a few nice quarters in there. He's played a couple of decent half's of football. I mean you maybe even give them a couple of games. Replay three quarters. But i don't think i could find many games where i feel like. He's played the entirety of the game. You know like the detroit lions game last year again detroit. Lions were so bad but that was the closest thing to a complete game that he played in. The numbers were eye-popping by any stretch. So i mean yeah. I think this point you wanna see the upside meeting the consistency and do that for an entirety of the game. You know go wire-to-wire if you can but at this point it's a combination of of locks inconsistency and bad decision making it's the defense really not get you know they're not getting turnovers either. They're giving up over two hundred yards rushing into the last three games against special teams. Let me just start out. The game. Deontay spencer return and put yourself already in the shadow of your own goal. Line is just so many things to kind of fix unless saying they can fix all at one time to be able to beat miami but incrementally you gotta start doing something this week. My goal for them was to be better at third down. I gotta go over the percentage here but you know in the end. They were seven for fifteen. That's not good enough. You're going to have to be better. I do quick math. You're saying they were seven. Fifteen seven for fifteen. Our offense forty seven percent. Yeah then but then the raiders. Were one of the best teams on third down coming in second best six of thirteen so for a while. You're off to a good start. There are one of five. I think but at some point the the levee broke and the defense certainly can share some lame to your point not forcing turnovers and we know. They're undermanned upfront. But that's my thing. I have forty let you run is what do you want to see from the defense knowing that shelby may become back. I don't have the timing will allow them to be backed by the dolphins game just because of when he gets cleared and all that. But in general i mean even certainly brought the first avenue i think at some point it was pointed out that it was twenty three to three plays to start the third quarter at some point years going to run out of gas well. And that's right. I mean so time of possession you can obviously see you know we're talking about twenty three minutes versus thirty six minutes in that that also explains a little bit of the run game. I mean the the defense is is going to have to get off the field and third down. They're going to have to get the ball back to their offense. Play some complimentary football us to a token on my lower highest been. He has some turnovers and there. There've been relying on miami's defense to sometimes dig them out and you know what miami's defense has obliged but but the thing about it is your percent right. There are teams playing with a ton of confidence. Right now versus. What the broncos look like is a team that is mixed at best in their confidence level. They have of quarters here and there. They have momentum moments. And you think okay. Well maybe they can build on this but unfortunately it's just not consistent enough and that that's going to be a problem. There's not you mentioned it. They're not going to be favored against any opponent. The rest of the season justifiably. But was you really. Take a look at this team. The way they're playing right now and and think that they could beat anybody no but they will be teams. And why couldn't it be miami this week. Well guess that'll do it for this monday. Edition of the broncos daily podcast. Maybe we'll have some more answers as to what went wrong after talking to vic fangio today and depending on when you hear this if you hear it in time vic joins logan lewis every monday at ten thirty five than drew locks at eleven bradley chubb slightly after drew. Maybe at eleven thirty five so you can check all those out there. Also on the logan. And louis page on the koa website tomorrow hoping and talked to rick. Lewis usually do on tuesdays. A lot of it depends on his schedule but that is the plan and then we got a busy week. Getting ready for the dolphins course lew behind enemy lines. Find out how to on these. Dolphins are doing so well but right. Now it's about fixing the broncos. The one thing that i will say if you're looking for a silver lining injuries Think anyone's really banged up during the game. If they were it didn't last very long. Melvin gordon shaken up and drew lock certainly banged up a little But nobody really left the game with any issue. So there's that i guess and it's nice to come out of a game like that. Considering how many games you had to deal with guys on the shelf for the entire year so i appreciate listening and hopefully. It's a better day for you here in the mile high city. Or wherever. you're listening across broncos country and we'll catch you next time on the broncos daily podcast. Did you know that experience in the stem or cyber field helps to develop the critical skills needed to gather intelligence and investigate crime if you're looking for a career with purpose than consider a career as an fbi special agent. 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Pushed out

Reveal

10:50 min | 1 year ago

Pushed out

"For the Center for investigative reporting NPR. X. This is reveal I'm l. let's A few weeks ago this disturbing video started making the rounds online. I've had enough of this. Take your bag off. Taking in a white school police officer Mexico spend five minutes violently taken down and subduing an eleven year old black the six alleged crimes standing up on the bus taking extra milk from the cafeteria and brushing passer principal bull in a doorway which the officer characterized as an assault. Officers Zachary Christian was placed on administrative leave and eventually resigned. Signed the girl's family has initiated legal action a a lot of times when we hear about the school to prison pipeline. It has to do with boys but the number of girls getting caught up in the system has been growing for the last. Few decades and black girls received suspensions at six times the rate of white girls. Ross reporter Code Brag has been digging into this and joins me now Echo Hayao so tell me more about what you found so the research shows that adults. It's like teachers school resource officers. We increasingly have cops in. Schools are criminalising black girls for their behaviors in ways that are just not being applied to white girls and so how do these experiences with school discipline collide with the criminal justice system. So basically what's happening is black. Girls are being pushed out of school. And that's a term. That comes from Dr. Monique Nick Morris. She's a social justice scholar and she wrote a book called push out and a new documentary is out with that same title so push out is not necessarily about the behaviors of young people will sort of in the way that we've come to understand it through the term drop out but ultimately about the systems that intersect to render our young people vulnerable to to not completing their school and learning and it really gets into this concept. That black girls are being deliberately pushed out of school through suspensions for the way they wear their hair or the way that they act in class. And they're getting pushed right into the juvenile detention system. It has to do with the way we see eh girls and particularly black girls as older so we adult defy them. I've called it an age compression which just basically means that. What we're doing in this society is taking away the girlhood of black children and adolescence that we are assigning them a more adult like identity by expecting them to be little women as opposed to girls? We then treat them as older okay. So you shouldn't be speaking to me. You know no better than that. So I'M GONNA punish you as such and so those suspensions. Those expulsions are then now heightened to calling in police to having school resource officers remove young girls from class. We saw a recent scenario in Orlando where a girl was arrested. The first grader was handcuffed. Fingerprinted even had a mugshot taken. But that was not the first and only case where we've seen very young girls Having a Tantrum in class and the response is to engage law enforcement so the case of the six year old in Orlando his infuriating but it got national attention engine. I mean I'm in California and I heard about what was happening in Orlando and that officer got reprimanded. I'm curious about the cases that happen every Dave. We don't talk about him yes. There's a lot of missing context in those stories and that there are many many other black girls feel like that every day other children are allowed to be kids hits. They're allowed to throw tantrums and act up in school. But because of the weight that we put on black children and specifically black girls that is bleeding Over into the way that we punish them on top of that like we know from research that blacks are going through puberty much earlier and that kind of also gets weaponized. They walk walk in with a tank top and they're immediately seen as being sexually provocative there's a differential enforcement of dress codes that makes black girls particularly vulnerable honorable to being told to leave school. And so part of Dr. Monique Morris has research is that she's helping create these spaces where girls who've been arrested or putting the juvenile detention system or expelled from school can transition back and they can reenter society. They can find an inkling of their girlhood again. As a father of a young girl is a very confusing time for everybody You throw in the fact that you're in a system that looks at little black girls. They are supposed to be older and act older. And then it ends up turning into a criminal situation with overzealous school resource officers or even teachers. Then you really have a recipe for some bad things happening. Yeah and so. Then that's where this concept of push out comes into play. It's not not just that you're getting in trouble that you're being told that you don't belong in school. I mean I think about like when I was in grade school just a small ways that like my white white teachers would kind of single me out for like wearing beads and my hair and making too much noise. That's something that gets you kicked out of class and so when you're in a place where you're seeing that other students aren't getting spoken to the same way. They're not being punished kids. Pick up on that and sometimes it's just like I'm going to make the decision not to go back to that place. I I think the older you get. It's easy to forget how your words or the way you treat a child can really imprint on them them and they can just take on those words in those actions as their own. Yeah and I think we do this thing as adults like life. Jade's US and so we forget how important the role of teacher is like. You want your teacher to like you and give you good grades and give you great feedback and so when you have the exact opposite happening like Mike. This teacher doesn't care about me so who cares about me. That's devastating particularly around for black girls. You see teachers Actually admitting on record that they didn't expect much from those girls. This is Jody Manda and she's a criminal law professor at Golden Gate University and she's one of the few researchers that actually focuses on girls in the justice system. They don't expect black girls to perform at high rates so when they see them not performing they they treat them the same as other girls. Because they don't expect doc better Where you see? The data shows that particularly for non girls of color. There is higher expectations. So how do these misconceptions play out when it comes to sentencing being in the treatment of girls in the criminal justice system so what's happening as pipeline continues and adults are putting black girls into the criminal justice system more frequently silently and For really minor things and there's not a lot of research on these disparities and that's in part because we focus so much on boys in the system but not nandor really focuses young girls and specifically the decisions that adults are making that can change the course of a girl's life there's discretion on the part of the teacher who refers the Child Unit weathered the refers to child although psychologist or to the principal's office. The principal has a decision about whether to call the police officer or whether it again to send the child services then you have the police officer who has a decision. Listen to file a case or to send the kid to services so by the time the girl lands in the system there are many adults who have had opportunities to offer services assist to this child and nobody has offered the child services. Black girls are getting into the justice system at much higher rates than other girls and so once they're there. They are subject to more time in Juvie more punishment so in the face of these statistics and this link between push shout and juvenile justice would needs to change so the adults in the room have to change. The duty is for the adults to see children as children children and to look at the myriad of options before them do. I need to charge. This child does this child need actual medical attention and do they need counseling. A lot of girls into the system with pre-existing trauma that has not been worked out and that's true of people of all ages and something that Jodi neander raises is whether or not we should be punishing girls punishing children in this way by incarcerating them in the first place. You know I love to get to a place while say you know. I used used to study. This system called the juvenile justice system. We don't have that system anymore by could take every school in the country that has a school resource officer replace that with a mental health professional. That would be my first fix. My second fix would be to invite community members and girls who urban system involved to the table when creating this programming who better to shape the the system then kids who know it best who live it who might have been pushed out. You have to bring children to the table. And you have to honor all parts of their identity in shaping the school's curriculum the systems that they live in and he systems that sometimes result in their punishment coup brag the investigative friend Mississippi. Thanks so much for coming in thanks I'll prescribe nearly produced. Today's episode Janci Ian was the Editor Co brags work comes to US through Reveals Investigative Fellowship Program. Our production manager is Monday in hosa original score and sound design by the dynamic. NIMICK DO O.. J. Breezy Mr Jim Briggs Fernando my man Yo Arruda that help this week from the Jeeva mini and Amos are. CEO's Chris Schaumburg that Thompson. Johnson is our editor in chief are executive producers Kevin Sullivan. Our theme. Music is by Colorado lightning support for provided by the river. Dave Logan Foundation the John John D and Catherine T. Macarthur Foundation the Jonathan Logan Family Foundation the Ford Foundation the Housing Simon's Foundation Democracy Fund and the Ethics and excellence in journalism. Awesome Foundation reveal is a CO production of the Center for investigative reporting and P. R. X. I'm Alison and remember. There is always more to the story.

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BK Goes Behind Enemy Lines with "Voice of The Saints" Zach Strief

Broncos Daily Podcast

35:02 min | 7 months ago

BK Goes Behind Enemy Lines with "Voice of The Saints" Zach Strief

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I'll give mike klis credit. He put it out there. And then i reached out to a source and was told that the other expenses feeling all right and don't have any money anymore. Beyond that is the experiencing symptoms or any of that. I don't know jeff. Driscoll tested positive yesterday because thanksgiving i was at broncos practice and we'd have zoom call with vic fangio. Jeff is a big part of what they do. But he isn't a quarterback room after contact tracing with both or for all the quarterbacks and the coaches and interviews and everything else. It was determined by doctor allen sills the medical director for the nfl. In greek who runs everything covid related medical related for the broncos that it was okay to have yesterday's practice. And then if you look the odds at jeff just gone diontae. Spencer interacted a lot. Seems pretty low. So they appear to have potentially contracted separately and and hopefully didn't spread it to any members of their team So we'll see what happens next. The broncos decided not to practice friday. Do everything virtually that means. Saturday onfield practice level probably last longer and maybe a little more tempo than the normal saturday walkthrough but all in all this continues to work at least as it relates to the broncos compared to say the ravens or it turns out it may have been a strength coach. The wasn't following protocols and likely on top of players yelling spitting and everything else strength coaches. Do i'm guessing. It was a strength and conditioning coach. That seems to be the super in this case for the ravens the broncos everything happens in a vacuum and in fact as vic fangio about that yesterday and you know keeping his fingers crossed but gave credit to everybody in their buildings specifically the folks on the on. The covid related taskforce if you will. I think it's called the task force but And that goes beyond greek. But it's a handful of other staffers. That are in charge of not only establishing the protocols maintaining them but then tracking everything as it happens and keeping track of everyone. Even people aren't testing positive. Just making sure that everyone is keeping a safe social distance. All right so going to hear from zacks street the same play by play guy. He's got a really interesting interesting story because most people don't go straight from playing offensive line in the nfl for over a decade like zacks drifted into the broadcast booth to be the play by play voice of a team. It's one thing to jump in and be the color analyst that goes without saying that happens all the time across all walks of life right s. jason witten tony. Romo people can get really high-profile jobs straight from the field but they normally are the ones calling the game. We know our own. Dave logan calls games but he spent seven years as the color analyst before becoming voice of the broncos and even still jimmy sappho who i think still calls dolphins games and there might have been one more guy seattle. I think At least the guy that used to call seattle games and it may still be the same. I believe played in the league. But it's not necessarily a household name so here from zacks street and also at a fun exchange with a couple. Exchanges with sean payton on a conference call and i told you the other day that i bring that to you. So why. don't we do that first then. We'll do dalton writers. I talked to dalton on tuesday. But you guys haven't heard here on the podcast so i'll let you hear from dalton and then if you wanna stick around extra evil us behind enemy lines but he will also tell us about his story going straight from the field into the broadcast booth. That was a conversation that we had on wednesday. When i filled in on big allen joe joe show up before you even sean payton known remind you about trump water chilly chilly dot com promo code chug water be k. To save twenty five percent off your next order chuck. Water chile is the spice of western. Live you can find a local grocers near you. But why wouldn't you just want to stay home and do all your shopping. There and save the twenty five percent chug water chilly dot com promo code chug. Water became so as i mentioned on the radio today full disclosure. I know sean payton a little bit. I'm not pretend like we're best friends. I certainly don't have the relationship with him. That i have with say adam gays or a couple of other coaches that. I've known longer and better. But i met sean payton through mutual friends at the final four years ago and always talk to him when i see him at league events. Combine it owners meetings or super bowl and and we just catch up. Maybe we're in the right situation. We might have a drink together. If if it's something that makes sense like last year jay glazer party at the super bowl had a drink with sean caught up with a little bit but i did texas tonight and said hey on your conference call tomorrow. I bet i can make you laugh on the one with denver media and sure enough is you'll hear right here. I did in fact make coach laugh coach. You don't play the broncos at often but for years ago. Justin simmons blocked a kick and we'll returned it. And i know talking to you the combine your adamant that wilpon stepped out for years later. Has that opinion change coach or we still. You have a camera angle that we didn't see the the the role there is spat your shoes right about him white. It was a heck of a play by him You know his anticipation when they needed it You know here was an extra point and the next thing you know. You're on your sideline watching get returned. So yeah that was That was a tough loss and obviously a good win for denver. As you'd expect coach was asked about drew lock. Here's what he said about drew lock and you'll hear me. Ask him about the broncos rushing attack as well. Well he's he's got a big arm. He's he's getting more and more comfortable with their system You know he can move outside the pocket and beat you with throws down the field. That's the one thing His ability to stretch the field They receiver position is is i think outstanding and and young and guys that can get down the field so you know trying to stay on top and your coverage Trying to do those things. As you're trying to defend the run can can be challenging. Then looking at the broncos rushing attack with both phillip lindsay and melvin gordon last week kind of the first time it came together. What challenges do they pose. Yeah they're two different type bax and You know we haven't seen lindsay And i think we've saw melvin. Maybe a few years back in san diego at that time But yeah both of them. Their different style runners and yet both very effective for coach came at the very end and most people actually logged off and people even hurt it but i ended up asking him about about the match. Because i know he's friends with charles barkley in fact that's how he and i met and i know he's friends with peyton as well because of the new orleans stuff and no steph curry too. So here is that interaction with coach at the very end of his conference. Go how did that feel to put up. Nearly two hundred yards of rushing for a big guy upfront. Like you and doing all that pulling as well. Yeah first off. Great to hear from you brandon. God we could chat today man. What's up broncos country. Second off man. You know it felt so great. You know i feel like i get on here every week and i talk about exactly what we need to do to get a win. What the off until i need to do what. The offense needs to do what the team needs to do. How hard working. And i think we lived up to that this last weekend. And that's extremely great man so it's been a. It's been a great start to the week this week. Man i've been. I haven't been this excited to get back to work in a while. It's funny too because you know unitl text every now and then he talked to susie every week and you talk to the other shows year. But i talked to bradley every week for pre game. You do your pre game interview with. Suzy and i ask bradley this. I said how big will a win. Be just to kind of calm everything down and look on top of you. Playing for the broncos you grew up right up the road and wiggins in broncos country all of your family and friends or broncos fans. You're on social media. You know what's going on in the world. So how big was that win. Just for calming things down. It doesn't mean that you guys are about to go undefeated the rest of the way. We'd love to see it. But i thought that one was huge. I'm curious if you agree. How big do you think that win. Was you just nailed it on the head brandon. It doesn't. it's not something that we should be able to sit back and say man. We want a football game. We should be so excited. The world's perfect no because that should be the standard of broncos country. The standard should be that we win football games and we should enjoy them because it's hard to get winds in the nfl but at the same time. That's the standard. What we did is not line. That's the standard. And then what you just said was perfect. It calmed everyone down. I don't think anyone's back on the train of us winning out. I also don't think that the people are as low as they were before we played the dolphins saying we're gonna lose out and there's no hope for this team which i disagree with all that all i'm saying is it. Calmed everything down everyone. The nerves are chilled. Okay now let's see what the broncos against the state's let's see what they do against the chiefs in the raiders and chargers in game two so that was really really good. Man are focused as a team stayed the same. We still know exactly who we are. We beat that football team and we know we can win out if we do things the right way so we just take one game at a time. Got the dolphins out of the way. I talk to you about this. I think this was the question i asked you. Post game about drew. If i didn't ask it this maybe the last week and you just talked about picking him up he had a rough week as anybody especially going with the rehab to go with four interceptions. So that's why i asked you about you. Give them a big hug. After that first interception he starts. The game offers six. And there's plenty of people in broncos country now the nature of fans work. Oh no here we go again. You gave a big. What does that mean to you. He talked about what it meant to him. You said it might have annoyed amount of you. Heard what he said. Because i asked him to and he said no. You know don's my guy. We were tight from the get-go and so just that moment when that means a lot man actually didn't hear it he said i never really get a chance to listen to other interviews but man. Here's the deal. I feel kind of pressure. Often sublime and brandon were expected to do a lot of things underneath a big march scope and played a high level rightfully. So we're in the nfl. That's a job that that we signed up for and that's something that we need to do. But when i know that. I feel the pressure as an offensive lineman and a colorado kid. I can only imagine the pressure that drew lock feels that man. Every little mistake is going to be under a ten times larger microscope than mine. Yes he's gonna get ten times more praise when he does well of course but that also comes with being quarterback so i think i just had that in the back of my head and i always remember you know if i'm feeling something i wanted to. How drew's feeling. He's the leader of the offense. He's the one that has to get things going. He's the one that everyone looks to crunch time. Hey drew make a play. They don't look adult reisner and say hey. Don't raise your score touchdown go run around. Go run the ball really hard. Yeah i'm a goal blocked my my my butt off. I'll say i'm gonna go block my butt off. That's for sure breath the same time. I can't make that touchdown happen. I can go block my guy. Maybe get two or three guys. But someone's gonna have to make a play. So i kind of think about that manning. Exactly what drew said. He's my boy thick and thin. You know. I know that drew is going to be on top. I know drizzle. Bright future ahead of them. I'll be darned if i don't stick with him through the hard times because i've seen too many players start out and have a little bit of trouble here and there like everyone does not going to get on top. Not everyone does. But i know drew will. So i'm just gonna keep sticking with him through the hard times like i know he'll stick with me the hard times and we'll come in on top man. We'll come out on top and then you guys get a tough saints team. I don't know if you even gotten into them just yet eight sacks last week so no rest for the weary. The dolphins came in their good defense. They get after it and you guys obviously were able to take it to them pretty good but have you started looking at what cam jordan and the saints offer of course. They're defensive front is extremely good. I was actually talking to mike munch today. They have very very good edge. Rusher there the new orleans and what they do is they. Bring those guys in. They have three or pass rushers. That are very good. Not necessarily the big guys up front. Those guys are great. Run stuffers i think they have the number one run defense in the nfl right now and then their past defense i think is extremely good as well but their pass rushes really good when it comes to run the big guys inside that can stuff it so we have a huge challenge but before we played the dolphins people might underestimated now now that we beat them but they were crushing teams. They were getting two or three turnovers a game they were you know upfront on third down bringing the house zero pressure they were getting so many sax man they were really good defense feeding off with their offense did as well and and we went in there and did any give any given sunday man. Any team has the opportunity. So we gotta go in there and like you guys saw this last weekend. We need to impose our will and the run game. Keep working at it and things will happen. We have really good running backs and that gives drew the confidence. When the running game was going that he can make passes happen especially play action which you guys saw a lot of sunday and the dolphins couldn't keep up they didn't know if it was monitor passed so we do the same thing on sunday. Don reisner with us he stops by. Koa every single guy at two more for you. This one came. Tim and colorado springs called up the brakes off her and wanted to know. And i'm guessing he knows for a fact but maybe you can straighten out. He says at his size why didn't reisner or is your head coach causing risen. Why didn't rise to wrestle in high school. Did you wrestler up in wiggins is probably wrassling. Did you wrestled. And if not why not. Why rasa it. A lot of farm out up brother. But whenever i got to You know pee wee's and stuff. I did wrestling my whole life until i got to high school. I love wrestling. I had at your headlock. A cow catchers what they call it love to do those moves. I just used all my strength. Not the most technique. But i i had a love for basketball brandon. I i'm not gonna brag too much brought broke a couple records and so if anyone wants to call and ask about those records i'll be glad to let them know so i had the i had the swift feet. Man i love. I love the game of basketball. If i if i had the opportunity to place de one basketball man probably would have been a toss up so i just fell in love with basketball more than wrestling there during the same during the same time. Maybe go straight from the playing field to the broadcast booth and start calling broncos games. I wouldn't expect it. i wouldn't predict. odds are retires. Dave logan this'll be calling the games so it may not happen. But that's exactly what happened for. Zach streep twelve years in the. Nfl won a super bowl with them. Spent his entire career with the saints. Also a down there but it was really really enjoyable conversation. He has a good breakdown on the saints. You will hear his phone kind of cut out a little bit. That lasts maybe twenty thirty seconds. You can skip ahead or just endure it. And then he had to really good inside answers on the saint so again. I really enjoyed this conversation. And he's a guy that every time. The broncos played the saints irrelevant. I'm certainly going to shop not move people. Make our on dave logan. Who's as good as it gets. Dave logan spent i think seven years as the analyst here before he became the voice of the of the broncos at the point when they thought it was time to to put him in the lead chair. And so it's just something that doesn't happen very often so if you want to know what an offensive lineman like calling a game here you hit will be under center here. Three receivers spread to the left now. Trae kwan smith motions fakes the hand off looking to throw out to his left looking down. He's gonna talk it in run. At the ten the five touchdown tight. Maybe sounds a little biased. But i guess when you went to ring with the team. I'm just kidding. That's dave sounds. When he calls the denver touchdown or mitchell when he calls the chiefs. So let's bring in zacks reveres. He joins us on big alan. Jj show zach Brandon krisztal the. It's a pleasure to talk to you. And i'll be honest as someone who went to broadcasting school studied journalism at the university of kansas. Didn't necessarily ever want to be the voice of anything. I like talk radio. I like reporting it. Pisses people like me off when you can step right off the football field and if you'd have gotten to analysts said yeah he played in the league forever. That makes sense when you're taking away play by play jobs from five eight hundred and seventy pound dudes like me. That had no shot at playing in the nfl. I thought to have a bone to pick with you but it it hurts our feelings a little bit. It's like when john elway became gm after never working in personnel. Well thank you for having me guys. I appreciate it and i'll tell you be completely honest with you. I one hundred percent understand I don't even disagree. I think Getting the opportunity was probably something that i didn't deserve. It is something that i asked for and attempted and It's just the coolest job ever so you know when when when i got that job. You're you would not have been alone and you're thinking And it wasn't even something that a lot of people held secretive. It was something that people shared with me directly and You know that was kind of an interesting moment and yet i totally understand it. Once you've done it for a little bit understand. Just how special of a gig. It is and how cool it is. And and how few of them there are right. I mean it to be the voice of a professional sports team a very rare opportunity and and something that again. I probably didn't deserve But i i'm very appreciative. That i got the opportunity and now If if you want it you're going to have to come and pry it out of my bed claiming fingers and that's interesting too. So i use joe buck as a good example. He's a friend of the station. His wife's best friend is on. Actually dave logan voice of the broncos joe buck on probably once a month joe always talks about. He may have had some help getting in the door certainly calling cardinals games. His dad never worked a day at fox. But you may have had some help getting in the door then giving you a little more leeway than someone else who's never called an nfl game becoming the voice of a team but you're in year three now they don't let you keep your job if you're not any good there's not a media company in the world that's gonna let let that go on for too long if you were a disaster. So it's a credit to you. You're in year three. And and hopefully. Like dave logan will be talking to you in three decades. And you're still doing it. I mean i think that's that's a true statement right. I mean it. I got the opportunity You know it was a combination of Of i think relationships. I had within the organization relationships that i had built with the media. The course of twelve years Something that i i worked hard at. I knew that you know there would be opportunities that came out of keeping as many people in the city that you're going to live in on your side and you know enough good relationships. I think gave the opportunity and then it was kind of like all right. We're going to give this to embarrass yourself and all of us and so listen. It's a lot of work. You know i i do. I work really hard at it. It's a i think people don't realize That the amount of time and effort that it that takes and that really took to learn it on the fly And i will tell you this The first drive that. I ever call your in jacksonville. A preseason football game Blake bortles drove the jags down. Leonard fournette scored a touchdown on On the on the opening drive and was about ten plays and we went to break. And i took my headset off and i put it on. The desk and deuce. Mcallister does the caller with me. He was a teammate of mine. He he he looks at me he goes. Are you okay. And i looked at my spent twelve years trying to build a good reputation in new orleans and it took me ten snaps to destroy it know harsh critic. He probably didn't notice it over if he saw. You may have been able to see. Look in his face. Like what the hell's this guy do it. I'd like to believe. I haven't had a drive that that sense. But there's no question the guys who are great at it right. I mean it's an art form and it takes time to you. Know to get your own voice and to To learn your own style and But certainly you know. The the the expectation was hi. Jim henderson who have their job for new orleans for thirty one years is an icon and the gulf south and everybody loves gym. I love jim I always said i felt like jim. Henderson narrated my football career. And so i knew i knew the gravity of the position and i think you know i just didn't wanna let everybody down. They had given me a shot so it's probably a little bit hard on myself. I don't feel that way after every drive now but Certainly i did in that first one. And so we're gonna get to the saints and and how good this team is. But it really is fascinating. This career arc that you have to go from offensive line in the nfl into the booth. By the way you wanna brewery which. I may ask you about because we have so many great microbreweries and big here in colorado. But i saw because i remember when you got the job done one hundred practice games is that number right and and how do you do it. And then who else have you beyond jim henderson. Did you go grab tapes of anyone. Radio announcers tv announcers to see their styles and see what you could pick it. Pick and choose and steal from them so the number is probably correct. Wouldn't say was one hundred fold games but it was at least it was probably about sixty full games and then another forty had. And how are you calling com on screen that you work on the madden game. You calling it. Play on a game and go. Yeah i would. I was i was i had gotten some tape and you know i would run through plays on the computer record it and then i would go back and and kinda watch the tape with my own commentary over it and i'd make notes. I'd recall that game. I kinda understand what was come. You know the hard part. That i learned now. Is that one when you call from tv. Copy it's impossible right right feasible and and to you know you you don't have the spot or you don't have a statistician. You haven't you know. I didn't know how to prepare. I didn't know how to make a call feet. I didn't you know all of those things. Were you know kind of foreign to me. And so you know. I did it with a lot of repetition and you start saying hey that doesn't sound so bad and and you use certain words and you describe things certain ways and you know it still goes on. Today i listen. We listen every game two or three times and make notes and recall. Plays that i don't like and you know you just kind of try to accelerate the process a little bit. You know. I think a lot of people get to learn. And maybe a less Stressful or less prominent position. And you know you do the exact same thing. Maybe just over a longer period of time so That's kind of how i did that. And in terms of people who. I listened to listen to a lot of people. I mean i listened to a lot of radio at that point and tried to pick up. You know different people. Certainly jim henderson. There's several parts of our broadcast. I i've kind of kept in tact because of My respect for jim. In the way that he put on the saints broadcast and they're trying to give some familiarity to people who have been listening to him for so long And and You know the guy for me. Who when i listened to him and i just want to be like you kevin. Harlan chair It just blows my mind and you know it's been really great. I've gotten to meet kevin a bunch of times because the monday night games On westwood one. And so i run into him a lot. He's been tremendous Actually we saw him a couple of weeks ago and We're halfway through the game. You can't talk to anybody now. Right right like d. someone in the hallway and so i'm kinda standing there and and it was during a commercial break and i kind of get that like. Hey someone's moving out of the corner mine. And i look over and kevin's to boost over and he's waving his arms like an idiot he he basically sign languages. Been listening to you. You're doing great keep about right. I mean it's basically so it's like very cool very cool moment for me but You know it's i love his style. I love it's like you talk about painting a picture. It's just wallace right. And so there's guys that you listen to and you take things from and then jerry sandusky. The voice of the ravens here has really become by mentor. work together on on built coffee. We both kind of do a pretty unique way. We're completely digital call sheets which blows a lot of these guys minds. Everyone freaks out when i tell them. I call games off of an ipad. Dave david would not like that. Dave logan would not. There's an everybody. But then i also tell them that. My call sheets are now automated so All the stats all the names. The rosters and everything. We run a program. It's done in six minutes and all the study tape and and and then they're like we're what do you mean. Or what are you pay for that. We don't pay anymore. Which did a computer programming. So you like. Hey that's that's a pretty cool you know all of a sudden they're interested in it. You probably makes money could probably make some money selling that down the road it. It's been discussed it. Certainly it's been but again it's it's been a lot of fun and jerry's been fantastic was a mentor. From the beginning. He cold called me. I mean i gotta an email from a guy who didn't knows a matter of fact i've told jerry before it kinda freaking out sheriff jerry jerry. Yeah you know what i mean. And it's different guy and it's a horrible situation for him because he could not be a better human being just a phenomenal person. Ironically daughter now does all my pr for me. Liz in new orleans. So i've gotten very close to the family. He's been fantastic. We still talk Every every week maybe every every other week and kind kinda go over notes and things that are happening so I've had some some people that have been really great to me And i think over time you know the guys who were really genuinely upset that i got the opportunity in the first place which you can. I understood have kind of eased up a little bit and i've talked to many of them since then. Everybody's been pretty cool. So exact is the voice of the new orleans saints walk. Straight straight of football field starts calling games. And what a fun team to be calling games for because your teammates. Your teammate drew brees. And you're coach sean. Payton just continue to have it roland. So why is this team so good. Even when drew brees is out hurt but one thing we talked about her over get very training him just how deep they were They've been just such a tremendous job of of green and veteran guys that that really take roles and We've seen that over and over again. I mean this discussion last week about tasting hill and the quarterback position. And who's going to get that start the things we're also without marshon lattimore top cover corner and patrick robinson filled in for and played phenomenal. It was outstanding the entire game. You had to fill in for marchand earlier. you know. You're seeing steph roles much. I think it's the team has done from a depth perspective data game early in the season. We're at mike connors. Who missed the game. Dangerous year then. Emmanuel sanders is on the covid list for two weeks. And you know you're going to a football and by the way. I can drag free tennessee. Actually start i You know in places so that you know it's the next man up mentality which is an easy thing to preach and a difficult thing to execute and you know. It's been the same as the quarterback position you know it's pretty amazing to think that You would lose drew brees and you could replace him with a quarterback and the guy who still behind the guy that you replace them with fifty one hundred dollars a year before so. It's pretty impressive. What they've done from the depth perspective. And i think there's just a great continuity in the football team that's led to a lot of wins voice of the saints with us and had vanja on this morning and my normal shift sports anchor and asked him early morning about tastes hill. And can you prepare for him the way you would maybe another rookie. Qb but he's thirty. He's not a rookie. Football player and coach said it was less about that. And more about the fact that the saints offense is so balance and they're still doing what shawn wants to do. Even without drew brees tastings performance. Surprise a lot of people one. I think there's people who genuinely just saw him as a gadget right. You're just gonna come in and try to trick people you know. Run a single wing offense. Because you're a running guy you're not grower. Semillas eighteen to twenty three two drops on consecutive plays on on balls that were on target. any was ten of eleven for one hundred and seventy five yards against against pressure against the bliss. You know those are not stats that you see out of rookie quarterback's right. That's not the type of of steady performance that you see out of a young guy then like you said tasting not a young guy. He's been in the system for years. He's an incredibly hard worker. That's what they loved about him to begin with you. Know he loves football. You can tell. I mean there's a picture of him running in for scoreless for he's got the biggest smile states you'd never seen You know he. He really loves the game. So all those attributes have i think contributed to him really learning behind drew. And and i think there's a ton of value to being in that role for a long time and getting to sit down and watch film. Drew brees every day to be on that same schedule. And you know to prepare your body and to work on your throwing motion all these things that have made drew such a fantastic pro quarterback I think a lot of those traits have kind of Been passed know onto tatum. And listen. i don't think it's time to crown him. He's not the quote unquote next drew. Brees which is what everybody kind of wants to make that declaration quickly But he played fantastic. He there's no doubt about it. I think he's surprised a lot of people the other thing. That's interesting is i. I wouldn't be surprised to watch the saints start. Jameis winston until at some point this season even if tastes healthy. If it's a game you know provide itself that they say we think james gives us a better chance to win. I think they'll literally take it one game at a while drew's out and i think that possibility still exists and so again it goes back to that depth and the ability to even have that decision made it every week is pretty unusual. Yeah there's a chance to dirt gutter being those atlanta having obviously pretty significant institutional knowledge of everything jameis. Winston might've been part of the reason that tastes started finding final football question. I got for years. Act the defense is as good as any of the events football there. Ball the eight sacks against the falcons. I'm sure you and cam jordan had your battles a bunch of years in training camp in practice. wise's defenseman so good. There's a lot of reasons that defense has been good You look over the last three games. Two hundred sixty three yards a game giving up their and under nine point. Total giving up only one touchdown in the last three games And a lot of it's come from a combination of things you look last week. Eight sacks against matt ryan cam like you mentioned had three of them to other players had two of them so it's coming from all over the place they're getting good pressure. We saw that against the buccaneers as well. It really got after. Tom brady and it really affected them. Same thing you saw him against the rams. I think if you get pressure on. Tom brady right. Now you're going to be successful against austin's and the saints did that against them as well but the back end. I think is really what has really turned around for this team. We're in camp the unquestionable the position group of training camp was that was the secondary raved about the secondary looks so good all training camp. They deep physical there. Were there ball. Hawks i mean every single day we saw make place and we get into the first month of the season like. Where did they go. You know do scenario sitting there looking at each other week. Horrible evaluators right. I've never been in evaluator before. I was a player. Maybe maybe we just got this completely wrong As soon as we saw them start getting away from the penalties and and and we saw a lot of mental errors. A lot of big plays given up on kind of blown coverages as soon as those went away. This defense turned around so we've watched them. You know really over the last four weeks in chicago just be dominant. I mean they've been outstanding and and quite honestly. It doesn't matter who. We put a quarterback through defense giving up nine points. A game with sean. Payton engineering designing place for your offense. You're probably gonna win that football. Well happy football friday. Thanks for listening. Hope you had a great thanksgiving holiday. I know i did except for the cowboys lost. I thought after beating minnesota we would see them especially with the loss of their strength coach. Play inspired game. They play the opposite of that. And maybe some of that has to do with strength passing away or maybe they aren't very good or maybe it's both but other than that was a good thanksgiving hope. You didn't go crazy with some black friday shopping. Lot of good college football some college hoops and of course the match. I bet it on draftking sportsbooks. I'm gonna take the pro golfer like your read. Valor talk me into the other day pro golfer and charles barkley over to not pro golfers. Even though they're both to really good golfers i'll also. I'm not ready to take the broncos. I don't know if i can get there won't blow me away. But i guess i'll take the saints twenty to twenty is my score and i love to be wrong for randwick manage to get good field goal and it's twenty three twenty two but i think the saints come in. I think they're really good. Football team. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. On monday we will. Recap what is hopefully a broncos win. I appreciate listening. Enjoy your football friday. This is broncos daily podcast. Why millions of americans choose to sleep on boll and branch sheets. Is it the one hundred percent. Organic cotton is it that they get softer and softer over time. Customers can't stop raving about these sheets and there's no better time to try them for yourself or give them to someone you love right now. Boll and branch is offering their best deals of the year and you can get their incredibly soft sheets at incredibly low prices. Just go to bollandbranch dot com to shop. Their best deals today. that's b. o. L. l. andbranch dot com today see site for details.

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Hope you're starting to climb out of that funk, but it is a Malays across all of the Rocky Mountain region I think right now because of the injury news reported the Portland Sutton injury yesterday tornado torn MC l. done for the year that was confirmed by VIC Fangio also put the Dream Jones news out there is about he was going to be out for about four weeks. Fangio confirming reports that we already suspected about drew lock shoulder turns out. It's a bruise not a sprain necessarily and he's GonNa be out anywhere from three to five weeks. In fact, I let you hear a little bit from Vic Fangio's he explain what was going on with all the injuries. There's nothing structurally wrong with his shoulder you've gotTA. Bad Rouge there you know when a true throwing shoulder. Time to heal it's gotTA calmed down. Your strength back to were. Fully has an economic berate. Honor at one hundred, percent eight has more detail here as to what exactly is going on with drew lock shoulder. Yeah. There's nothing structurally wrong with the shoulder Bad Bruise there. You know when a true throwing shoulder. It's going to take time to heal. It's gotTa calm down. Strength Back to tour. Fully. Has It an economic rate. On a one, hundred percent, one other injury, no devante hairs dealing with a hamstring injury. So he could be out a couple of weeks. So you look at what the Broncos are going to quarterback while it's all about Jeff Driscoll vicks thought he played pretty well, all things considered and I'd have to agree with that. When you look at the numbers ends up putting up the two touchdowns, two, hundred, fifty, six yards the one pick wasn't really his fault. Of course, being more costly with Cortlandt Sutton done for the year vic also said, they wouldn't add any receivers already a little heavy there with seven. So now though Kerry six, those will be. Led by Gerry Judy becomes your number one. This Caja Hamblur jumped passed him. Patrick has the number two. We'll see how much work does day Sean Hamilton. Get tyree Cleveland will now be up and then maybe you'll see stuff where you get Devan, deontay Spencer and Kgan Marlon together. So I'd I'd be down for that just from tribulation standpoint it seems like jets not only have to rely on those young guys, but also his tight end. So driscoll be your starter against the Bucks, br ribbons going to get promoted from the practice squad. I'm guessing they'll put drew lock on I R and just shut him down for the full three weeks. If he's a fast healer, maybe they'll regret that but you've got. The bucks coming up. Then add the jets quick turnaround, and then at the Patriots, St Lucie Drew Lock Against Cam Newton, but it feels maybe unrealistic. So they will. Make those adjustments will they add another player from the outside? It's Kinda. Slim pickings out there Vick was quick to say Colin Kaepernick and not been in their discussions. Blake. Bortles is kind of the only name that's out there. Would you WANNA come here to potentially start for a few games and then yield his starting gig to drew lock probably not you could sign a playoff practice squad they have to agree to come here. So Josh mccown certainly wouldn't would trevor Simian maybe, but he's probably happier being in Tennessee right now. At least knowing that teams trajectory is certainly headed up in the short term more. So than the Broncos, here's Vic Fangio yesterday. This final thing we'll play from VIC. On where the locker room is and I appreciate him being honest with us here the question was actually about just his feelings for everything going on because he's not one to really show emotion you'll hear rick. Lewis talk about that coming up in just a little bit but he was vic yesterday talking about how these injuries are affecting him disappointed for the players that have gotten. Injured you know. It's never good to get injured. On an individual personal basis. It does have a negative effect on the team on not going to insult anybody's intelligence that. Losing the type players and the amount of players that we've lost doesn't have some type of fact. But. We do have good players here in the building. Still they're gonNA come rally look at it as an opportunity for them to. Play good at what they got. Going to get them ready as a coaching staff to go out there and compete. Try and find a way to win these close games. One thing that is affecting vic it was reported last night that he along with Kyle Shanahan Pete Carroll are all going to be fined one hundred thousand dollars for not having their face coverings up on the NFL sideline and League is not messing around with that one hundred grand each of them while all these coaches can in theory afford that's a lot of money does go to nfl charities but feeling that will be certainly a reminder if not a. WAKEUP call to coaches and think they may have gotten away with it around the league or are thinking about slide in their mass down and I don't even know how it relates to assistant who can't afford that as easily. But three head coaches Victorian one of them along with Kyle and Pete Carroll there. So that does send a message. All right before we hear from Rick Lewis WanNa. Remind you about chug water chilly. We know the weather's going to turn here soon and you want to be ready to make. That great Chile. You can also use their. Awesome. Chili powder on Tacos and throw it on other kinds of meat because it's it's really just an enhancement to your meal. You can pick Jaguars Julie up at a grocer near you. It really is the gourmet spice of Western life. You can use Promo Code, Chug, Water K for a twenty five percent off. Offer on their website water chilly dot com on all their chug waters surely products again chug water vk jug water chilly dot com. All right. Let's get to Rick Lewis now. Color analyst for Your Denver Broncos and. Looking to start this conversation before we get hard core into the nuts and bolts of the broncos and where they're headed with these injuries. On how it was for both Dave and Rick to call the game from an empty empower field at Mile High and you're you'll hear him describe how everything kind of went down. So without further do the one and only Rick Lewis. Rick I imagine. You have done plenty of unique things here in twenty twenty and now add to the list calling football game. From an empty empower field at Mile High, not empty with no fans in the stands in a game in front, you empty all the way around with a game going on in Pittsburgh what was that like, and then we'll get into the specifics of the game and the mass unit that is the the broncos coming up. Tell me tell me what it was like being in their just you and Dave and your broadcast team in the booth and no one else. Yeah it was it was weird to say the least I've mentioned it during the pre-game that. Both Dave and I got into radio in the eighties Dave after playing in the National Football League in me. Taking a stab at trying to be an actor in Hollywood and This is Something that was completely new for both of us in something that I never thought. I. Would see in my career and you know it in a way. I was. A little bit excited about. What it might be like, and you know doing something different outside the box so I was trying to just embrace it. it was. It was a bigger challenge for Dave than it was for me. As the color commentator. Tough for play by play guy. To be able to do that off of monitors in really tough for our spotter. Jim Zayas he he's been spotting for Dave for. I don't know how long twenty plus years probably. And it was really tough for him because. What we had was. We had probably. Eight or ten monitors in this little booth with like walking into a best buy. These TV screens everywhere right and One of the monitors for each of us was an all twenty two, which is an NFL feed. It's a basically an aerial shot of all twenty, two players on the field. and. The other was a feet from the network. TV network that was doing the game, the one that everybody watched on TV. The problem with all twenty two is it was such a high shot. In grainy that. None of us could see numbers on the guys. And so that made it really tough for the spotter to to spot the game. which made it tougher. Dave. for. ME. I would just basically just glance at the all twenty two. once they got into their formation, just trying to basically just check in with the defense of coverage was. And then I would go and then look at the TV feed. Because you could see in oil way more detail right what was going on in the field? So for me the all twenty two. It didn't really. Factor in for me. One way or the other. Dave told me today that he watched doll twenty two most of the time. that. That's what he was watching. And our spotted couldn't watch it at all. So it was kind of a mixed bag with the all twenty two it was. It was weird to say the least. We're in Denver in a completely empty stadium we may have been. Maybe the only six people in the whole stadium, there was a guy who led us in. Somewhere. He probably someone had to stay there. There's probably a security guard, twenty, four hours. We want you to think that the stadium just empty I do know that there's one security guard around, but that could have been about it. Yeah was probably about it. The cardboard cutouts were there. They were leftover from the Monday night games. Yeah. I heard. You mentioned them. They're. Yeah. They were they look like they might have been hung over and they were they were real quiet again. We're watching this game from Pittsburgh. On. TV. You know and they kept showing this. I don't know if this was on the. On the main TV broadcast or not. But it seemed like every time they went to a break the feed would go to this aerial young of the stadium. Because there's no fans to show and instead of showing I don't know why they wouldn't just come back and show the sideline show. Big Ben Throwing look at his arm off an injury or keeps you on the broncos. Silence show Mike Tomlin show Vic Fangio show the coach and quarterback talking on the sideline. But they they did they kept coming back with the scene set aerial shot, of Pittsburgh, during the day. Yeah and I. Think I said Three Rivers Stadium at least twice in the broadcast because I'm looking at this you know during the break I'm looking at this aerial shot and I, thought it looked beautiful. Looking at these three rivers and we'd come back and then I would say three Rivers Stadium? Until agr producer wrote me a note put in front of me Heinz field. Right, yeah right. Prefer Stadium hasn't been around for twenty years. so but The whole thing was. It was confusing. What you didn't hear listening was the scrambling. That we were doing in the booth to try to make the broadcast sound smooth. So none of us was comfortable that we were scrambling the whole time and and so it would have been easy to make mistakes along the way I don't know other than me saying three rivers stadium if there were any real mistakes in the call or names or whatever but. We did the best we could and from what everybody told me, brandon? you wouldn't have known unless we would've said something. So that's a compliment and I appreciate that. I'm right there with everyone else I. I. listened to the entire game and I was listening to the to the pre-broadcast feed. 'cause I had the ability to do that with my setup at home and wanted to be a little ahead of it. It was a kind of a strange way to watch a game for me something that. I. Haven't done too much. There's been times where I've. The TV and radio broadcast because when we go through our website, you can do that 'cause it's a little behind her right on and you can kind of as your dvr but I was a full play ahead, which is kind of what it's like being at the game and that was sort of the way I approach. It was when you're at the game, the play happens, and then you look up at the Monitor when you're in the press box to see exactly how was blocked or or who missed a tackle or whatever, why did receive receiver catchable or DB makeup play. So that's the way I kind of approach, but I definitely missed a handful of plays because. I would react to something you guys said tweet it out and I did that a lot and so I was ahead of the TV feet tall second look at you. So there's probably plenty of people who thought I was at the game based on me Ryan o'halloran and Andrew. Mason. And Mark Kessler, the only three reporters I know for sure that were at the game and I was routinely ahead of them even though they were sitting in the stadium based on the call from you and Dave and some stuff you guys were able to to get out your broadcast. So anybody listening to the radio I guess would have likely been slightly ahead of the TV as well. But I'm glad we made you look like notre of exactly exactly. That's what I was going for. In fact I. Probably more actually. Yeah. I probably shouldn't have pulled the curtain back but yeah if you want to be ahead of the TV, here's the thing if someone's follow me on twitter. And you're falling for play by play it's maybe the worst way you can watch a game because there's even the little ESPN or Yahoo game crawl will have like. A fake bought, you know a a digital football that will show the kick off and then like move with each play and have the play written out. So the way I'm doing it is kind a silly antiquated way to do it but I was doing it for a handful of people might just be glancing to see I. Try to put context with not just what happened on the play Regardless it. It didn't sound like you guys weren't there and honestly the only time that I thought about it. We're win you mentioned it and it wasn't like you were beating us over the head saying after every play. There were even times where I could tell you weren't exactly sure who had made the play and you do a good job covering for Dave or David Give it an extra beat that he may not give during a game because like you said, Jim couldn't see it and he would still get it right because he'd glance at the TV feed or understand as the ball carrier stood up or the tackler got off the tackle especially on the defense side I. Think you guys nailed it considering that it's hard to see who it is and you were able to to from your vantage point. Determine who made the tackle from fifteen hundred miles away. Yeah, you know what? Really, what I did was just fall back on my experience I I've been in broadcasting almost forty years. So I just wanted to make the broadcast sound smooth. And professional and Kinda just fell back on that as a default and you know an and at that probably worked the best because there was a lot of confusion you know if you if you would have been in the booth and could see us after a play, you know looking at each other and pointing like. Who made the tackle? You know who? Who who made the catch there was times where we we really didn't know for a second or two, and it sounds like you picked up on that but you know and even Dave Logan who's been doing this forever. he's a he. He said this on the radio today on Koa to. He said man, we might as well just go. Be there you know be there for these road games, you know the broncos. Charters not available to us this year at least as of now. But he was saying you know we might as well. Just. Buy A ticket and go because I. It's. Especially when you've had as much experience as him calling games, the traditional way you get used to that and you're used to seeing everything and when you're Dave Logan, you could see everything Dave's got a brilliant football minded Dave knows. He knows he can tell you what plays coming just by the way they line up you know, and so we'll see how it goes the rest of the year, but I wouldn't be surprised if we at least go to. A couple of road games well, places like Kansas. City in Vegas or easier trips for sure getting to Pittsburgh not as easy New York, New England coming up maybe not as some of these games. But but the ones you know put nearby in quotes are probably a little easier and here's the thing too. Though like you said, even though I picked up on it I've been working in radio long enough and know the mechanics of calling a game and listening to the broadcast to know if you guys are split second later than you normally are. But for the majority of fans who aren't sinked up watching the game and listening. They're just in their car or they're just at work and they don't have access to TV. They wouldn't have known the extra breath. I could hear when you guys were trying to determine whether it was Justin Simmons or Kareem Jackson or Alexander Johnson Josie Joel and I realize those guys I'll look a little different but whomever the tackle with whether it's dream Aunt Joan's or shelby hair Joe Casey who are all built about the same in all wear numbers in the ninety s you couldn't tell I think the casual listener that enjoys listening to you and Dave every week you couldn't tell at all so Kudos to you even a struggle. All, right. We're glad to hear that about what happened on the field and then the subsequent injury report that came out today I guess let's start with the game before we spin it forward. When drew goes down and then subsequently Sutton Goes Down Jeff Driscoll. comes. In. I imagine you like most of Broncos cut your well, not only here goes this season. We've got no shot in this game and that's not what happened. You're you're you're right about that Jeff Driscoll. Is The guy who started eight games in his career record is one and seven. I thought going into the year that the broncos probably should have. Signed a ten year at that. That's out there guided. That's been around the game a long time. He could mentor drew lock a guy that's maybe even started. You know twenty twenty, five games in his ten year career. And just let that guy be. You know a guy there kit. Not, only mentor locked but if you had to use them the guy, you could win football games with I didn't think through Jeff Driscoll. WAS THAT GUY But after watching yesterday I was impressed I gotta tell you I was really I was really impressed with him be played pretty darn good. I think you can win some games with him. I don't know if he's a guy, you would want starting the whole season. As. Your guy like your number one but I think you can win some games with him now keep in mind. The broncos these first two games to play two of the best defense in the league. They play to the best teams in the League. And they were more than competitive. They should repeat Tennessee in in day could've beaten. Pittsburgh yesterday. So the broncos. They've got a competitive team. That is very resilient battling through all of these injuries which I have never seen. Injuries to key players like this in my entire life. Of Not only covering football playing football watching football. When you've got your number one quarterback down your number one wide receiver down your number one pass rusher down your number one corner down your know IRV. Be Running back and your number one right tackle who opted out because a cova to begin the year that's devastating. That's your six best guys at all your key positions. It's unbelievable. That they've been playing as well as they've been playing and looking back on the twenty twenty draft now with Portland Sutton off at the year. You gotTa feel pretty good that they took. Excuse me. They took judy an Hamblur. In Rounds One and two I know they. You know the so-called draft experts were hammered elway Broncos for taking handler in the second round after taking judy but. It sure worked out to be good. Didn't it well, and here's the other thing to everyone wants to jump on Garrett, Bowles he played well against Tennessee obviously part of the no sacks no penalties was rated as the highest broncos player in pro football focus. Then today even though he did have that hold yesterday, he was rated not only the best offensive lineman for the Broncos he was rated the sixth best offensive lineman tackle on those tackler alignment either way even if it's six best tackle out of thirty two tackles. Sixty four tackles he was rated as six best in the NFL yesterday despite that one hold that had everybody in broncos country groaning. So I'm right there with you I was excited about Jerry. Judy. Who was my favorite receiver in the draft and then when they drafted cage a lower, the idea that you'd go receiver receiver and try to match the chiefs. On. Offense as well as beat their brains and on defense with a better defense at the Broncos on paper did have going into the year. I think that it's a credit to elway and maybe even Vic Fangio who certainly is still going through growing pains as head coach he was not down when he talked to you guys this morning or when he talked in his press conference despite all these injuries. Yeah we'll Fangio seen everything I. Don't know if you've seen injuries to this extent, but he's been around the league. So long I vic Fangio, it doesn't get up or down. You Know Vic. Fangio is who we is I've I've never heard him. You know just real excited after a big win up. Never heard him really down after A. Crushing defeat. You know he's pretty much the same guy every time you talked to him he seems like he really likes Caja Handler. We asked him about him today and then I I believe later in this press conference, he was heaping praise on number thirteen in there's a lot to like watching him yesterday think about this guy's twenty one years old. Playing his first snap. As a professional football player, no preseason games hardly any training camp and the guy is a baller. Imagine next year when they have Hamblur Judy and Cortlandt Sutton plus no fant. You could see what they're what they're trying to do. You know they're trying to load up with speed and an explosive talent and they've got it. You know hopefully, these other guys can stay healthy the rest of the way hopefully we get drew locked back because even even if the season. Is. Pretty much gone by the time lock comes back. Say he comes back. In after the bye week in the broncos up one win or two wins you want to see this kid continue to develop you want him to keep getting Reps. And get better for the future. So I'm glad that he's not going to be out for the year. and I think they could win a game or two with Jeff Triskel. I wouldn't write him off yet. Well, we know that the bucks are still trying to completely find their stride. They didn't have Chris Godwin this week they're good on defense with guys like and Dominic ensue and. got a bunch of tacklers there. But they've got Tom Brady and Gronk and Mike Evans still trying to figure out the offense for nets probably going to be featured more. There's no guarantee that Tom Brady who has not always fared well a mile above sea level and he's come here is going to just walk all over the Broncos next week. Then you go to the jets were there a complete disaster right now and the Patriots looked good in a loss to Seattle they look pretty good last week but. I think the Broncos are going to continue to remain competitive and to the point you brought up. These are two of the better teams that they'll see an I'll make the case. These are the two best defenses you'll see till at least week twelve with the saints. If not all year, these might be the very best defense. They certainly terms of Pittsburgh's blitz package and. Pass Rush. So I understand why why folks and Broncos country bomb today when you hear Portland Sutton's down for the year when I reported that this morning as well as all the other injuries and lock out for anywhere from three to five or six if not longer, it's a bummer but it doesn't mean that the sky is falling and goes back. We've been saying it's a credit to elway and and Matt Russell that they've been able to rework this roster to keep them competitive or what we think will be competitive here in the coming weeks. Good Point I. Don't think anybody expected them to be a super bowl team this year. There were expectations that they could be a playoff team. And and that's still possible especially with the extra spot right nine and seven nine and seven tiebreakers I. It's too early to write that off in this new NFL. But what they're building there they're building for the long-term now. Now that they have their quarterback, they're trying to build around him and put an explosive offense around him. gave him a whole lot of weapons. They're all really young they're really talented. So you're still looking to the future for this football team and I know Denver. broncos, fans her very impatient. And I get it. You know they they've really been spoiled over the years. This franchise has set the bar really really high. And broncos fans. They don't know what it's like to lose like this. They don't know what it's like to not go to the playoffs. So there is that but I you're going to have to be patient with his team. There's a lot to like about this football team injuries can't be helped. You know. A. Death. A pretty big deal which we're going through right now but. I I on the bright side you're you're going to get a chance to see more of these younger guys. Get some snaps and reps and playing time and all the backups, a number twos and even number three's. You know guys that. Can really benefit from that and. I think this t I think they're really building something for the future idea. I never thought this year they would be super bowl I thought they could get in at nine, eight seven no. Get a playoff spot but next year I think is the year to watch. Assuming everybody's healthy then I think you can maybe raise your expectations for the football. Team. and. So kind of the point you were making it it'll be good whenever do does come back you certainly don't want to think that there's pressure off but you're gonNA play games that's kind of what he did at the end of the year was he just went out and played they were out of the playoff race and he was able to just kind of relaxed and I don't think that he was pressing or anything it was way too early to tell yesterday with just thirteen snaps and WanNa five and certainly steelers were getting after but. To your point with such a young core, these are going to come out and just continue to play and we saw it on defense to Michael. Jordan had a rough day by by any measure, but certainly for a rookie and he saying, he didn't play I don't think as much as maybe he anticipated play a fair amount he he didn't have his number call too often because they were. Media, but these guys are just gonNA be able to build on that and you're going to have to solid pieces of your defensive secondary for a long time that you're going to get some valuable experience as well as some of these young guys up front Mattel James going to be a big part of what they're doing now for the next couple of weeks because no dream Aunt Joan's and know demarcus Walker at least for a little bit. Yeah and they love him too I was Kinda surprised. That he's been inactive. I who games. They loved him in training camp and yet which I think is player. it's the toughest position to play in the National Football League specifies certainly on defense in probably the toughest to play coming out of college. At any position as cornerback in OJ media, I have been watching him pretty carefully and I like what I see from him. The kid the kid is he's a big corner he he's a hitter. He loves to come up there and make tackles and he's a good tackler. He's come close to making some really big plays. He got picked on yesterday Big Ben went after him as the weak link back there. and he he'll. He'll benefit from that that that touchdown pass. With with Ben. Rolling. To his right to thirty eight year old quarterback kind of lumbering along. You know bad knees and. Bad everything. And, then he just throws a bullet. To the Guy thank you. At the. Johnson a Bay wide receiver in Ocean Moody did not have bad coverage. Now, he almost got his hand on it. He did he did in at that's something that he'll learn from. You know he never had to play. quarterback like Ben Rothlisberger play against one like that in college or probably even a wide receiver like Johnson. You know. So these are all things that. Will benefit this kid I I expect. Big. Things from them. So it's good that he's getting all these reps now. All right before I let you run. A save your your thoughts on the bucks for the very anything else that we missed or something that jumped out from the broadcast other than the mechanics of it. I did appreciate like you touched on earlier referencing the. The cutouts in the stands and they'll be I guess w mixed in a they're gonNA have to move some of the cuts I gotta think some of those seats are really good seats for the fifty seven hundred fans. It'll be there this Sunday. But anything from the broadcast that you want to highlight. Again, I wish that we still had the the notes that you you and I would do years back that we would touch. After and you know. Anything that the made Dave laugh that I may have missed because I was doing something else or. They made yourself laugh. I. Can't think of anything yesterday. It was so weird. It was so different. In honestly, I was scrambling all game. You here. We all work PK so much to the point that. You know even during breaks you know were looking around and asking each okay who who made that tackle and who made that block and? Trying to just get caught up during the breaks and then you're right back on the on the air, the call in the next series and I. I. Just I don't remember if I said anything that may dave last. But I was trying to focus on just being smooth and seeing as much as I could offer these monitors to. You'd be able to give the listeners a good picture of what's really going on in the football game. I did note that are cardboard cutouts were really quiet staring at us. You know there is were just kind of earned in through us. They look right to you. You know those cardboard cutouts if don't look them right in the eye. because. They. They kept his hypnotic stare. And they basically are just looking right through they can see right to your soul. So I try not to look I'm right in the I just like I try to not to look at the. Big, blue for the airport. Yeah. Blue surprise I don't look I. Don't look at him directly either when I go to the airport. So I'm kind of superstitious like that. There are some story and I meant to bring it up to you because my wife told me the other day we had to drop are any of the airport and. I guess some guy drove up to it and Either tried to do something maybe tried to kill himself or did or something I needed to find. Did you hear that story I? Realize? That's not exactly broncos daily podcast material but. Talk. About blue a lot. I'm GonNa see if I can find the story. I don't bring everybody down and see if. I try to avoid all. For I've got a friend who every time he goes to the airport here a picture of it and text it to me. Until I opened up texting like damn you. Coming in. You're getting rick rolled by blue safer instead of never gonNA, give you up its. Forces me he should put the music. We should figure out a way to put the music under to that. All right. Well, okay. Final thought then as I let you around and always appreciate that I steal more of your time than you plan on But what do you see for? Sunday with Tom, Brady and Shaq Barrett and company come into town Broncos, they're underdogs again. as you know PK, the broncos have covered. Both Games even though they lost depends on the number yet for the Tennessee game because it kept shifting but yeah. Covered the two and a half they did they did cover that they covered again yesterday. The broncos are really competitive and losing. I don't think. Anybody would expect that the broncos could be Tampa Bay. When they come in here with Brady on Sunday, but I wouldn't put it past them. This team has so much heart chapter risk will get a full week of prep in all the snaps in practice which should benefit him. I would think probably quite a bit and we've seen that the broncos defense is good. This broncos defense is good. They have they have good personnel on that. Pretty much the whole defense. They really played pretty well again, yesterday at all three levels, you like you like the way the teams built. Yeah. You really do I mean the steelers had to. Two big plays on them. And other than that. They really held them pretty much in check I see them doing the same thing on Sunday keeping the game close and then maybe maybe they'll get about. At. It's it may I maybe it's their turn or the football gods go. Hey let's get the broncos the balance of the turnover at the end of the game here and get them a w. they could happen. You know what it feels like the last time they got it was wind shelby Harris intercepted. Big Ben Two seasons ago, and then the football gods have been against them since. Maybe now the loop was closed yesterday and We'll see if if the football God's will now look favorably upon them. Like how you think I'd like that thought. Loop has been closed. The football God's will look favorably down on the broncos and do not look lucifer straight in the now and do that but feel free to use that on either show this week listening to both. The time is always talk to you next week next rick. Thanks as always Rick Lewis make sure you're listening to him on Fox and on Koa and follow him at one Rick Lewis on twitter and instagram tomorrow to talk with Big Al Well, competition already happened but you'll hear from big Al and also a handful broncos players as they'll talk to US Tuesday in zoom calls and talk to us about the mood in the locker room where everything is with these injuries what their plan is to stop Tom Brady and bucks in a defense of my I may have underestimated because I talked to somebody in the league that. Has Seen the bucks play now twice and is A big big fan of what they're doing especially on defense. All right. So I appreciate listen we'll catch you next time on the broncos daily podcast. 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"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions Ocean's broadcasting from the dollar rental studios. It's the day Ramsey show where that is dawn. Cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the B._M._w.. As the status symbol of choice I'm Dave Ramsey your host. Thanks for joining US Open phones at triple eight eight two five five two two five and joining me at the bottom of the hour number one bestselling author Ramsey personality Chris Hogan author of the books <hes> retire inspired tired and everyday millionaires. You have a question for Chris. Make sure you're in in line on the phones by the bottom of the hour the phone number here again triple eight eight two five five two two five Ralph is with us in New York Hi Ralph welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi Dave better than I deserve. What's up <hes> not much <hes> I just retired and <hes> I guess I'm about to step six <hes> I just discover your show and <hes> <hes> I guess my question is <hes> my my house is paid off? My daughter's. College is paid off <hes> <hes> I have a 4. Orland K A savings <hes> <hes> as far as investing <hes> rollover that 4. into an I._R._A.. Guess that's my question probably would control all the mutual funds and access to it. <hes> a whole lot better than having adviser looking over your shoulder with you. <hes> how much is in your 4. Five hundred white ago man congrats thanks yeah I yeah I keep mine invested in good growth stock mutual funds I spread it across growth growth and income aggressive growth and international and if you just click on Daveramsey dot com you can click smartvestor. It'll drop down a goes to the smartvestor pros in your area. If you don't have an adviser you can pick out which one of those you'd like to work with and sit down from that list sit down with one of them and has the heart of a teacher understand very clearly what you're putting money into and then if you do a direct transfer roll-over meaning the money doesn't come to you. It goes directly from the 4. into the I._R._A.. Then there won't be any tax implications at all and you'll have complete control of that money what's invested in and you can move it or change it at any time all within an I._R._A.. And <hes> then of course I at seventy and a half though you'll have required minimum distributions our M._d.. On that and that's normal anyway <hes> and you can start to draw money off of it whenever you're ready <hes> to live on draw some of the income off. I certainly wouldn't want to draw more than the income off. I don't want to destroy the principle and I assume we've got <hes> some other stuff coming in as well that you've done very very well congratulations Ralph well done. <hes> Darryl is with us in Boston Mass Hi Daryl welcome to the Dave Ramsey show I dave how are you better than I deserve. What's up not much <hes> so I have <hes> we just finished baby? Step two and <hes> we have a rental property however I owe more than my annual half income on it so it goes in the baby step six however we were considering selling the property uh-huh so a tenant in there now <hes> she hasn't missed a payment but and she knows we want to sell she's been really dragging our feet and I just feel like the place is out of her budget would be ethically wrong to get her evicted from their <hes> not necessarily evicted but a the <hes> kinda she's attendant will right now. We just really want to sell the place bill to finish baby. Step three put money towards the College Fund mean by ten at will <hes> so she does not have a lease right now. It's it's been expired. Okay then. She's a month to month ten. Yes Sir okay. There's nothing nothing unethical about giving someone a thirty day notice. That's a month to month tenant why would they why would that be on ethical. That's your agreement yeah. She's just having a really hard time finding another place. She has two German shepherds so no I'll take her. Oh they'll take her. They just won't take the dogs. Yes yes so you know it's a how long has this Dec- this hunt for another property by her been going on since I would say last October okay so if you want to be gentle you can give her sixty days notice. If you don't even care about being gentle you can just give her thirty days notice and I you know you need to check you know law in your state but in most states you would do that before what were the first of the month for the ending of the month following. This is your thirty day notice and you'd WanNa be careful to do it in writing in most places I would do it registered mail so that you've got proof of delivery and go ahead and call when you've had a relationship with her and tell her that that's coming in all you gotTa do you have proof of delivery and then then if she doesn't move then you have to go through the legal proceeding to evict her at that point. Surely that will work <hes> yeah. She's not found a place because she's not been looking yeah exactly endure opinion that that's a good financial move to to sell the place you don't want. It is what you're telling me. You've been working on getting rid of it for some time. Yes sir. I don't care if you keep a rental property as long as you pay it off but it's not a problem to keep it. As far as I'm concerned. I love rental property. I just want you to get them debt. Free as quick as you can but if you want to get rid of the property and you've been working towards that this is what you would do so if you want again. How long has she been in the property two years now okay right and six months of that has been dragging their feet to leave? Yes Sir yeah. I might give her sixty days. If you want okay but I would do it very formally in writing after you called her and told her the letter was on the way and you you know check with your local <hes> laws and maybe checking attorney even does real estate evictions and make sure that you're you know what form and what process you need to use so that your proper in your municipality and in your state <hes> you know what's the court GonNa do when you come in for an eviction. They GonNa make you start this whole thing over because you did it wrong. You don't WanNa get into all that right. Does what she'll do is tear the crap out of the House if you day you don't WanNa do that so anyway. This is the first of August is coming up and so by the first of August you get all this done and you say well by the end of September. You must be gone. That's very gentle. That's almost a whole year yeah that would be very gentle and if you want to be a little more hardcore you could just say the end of August okay. It's up to you either one's fine neither one another and of course all of that is subject to her continuing to pay the rent if she stops paying rent immediately mmediately. WE'RE GONNA move to remove from the property so yeah. It's just a month to month rental. That's just that's nothing unethical about that at all sir. Thanks for the call. This is the Dave Ramsey show in a recent study showed that over fifty percent of people think that the cost of term life if insurance is triple what it actually costs. This must be why so many people still don't take care of this crucial responsibility trust me term life rates are just plain cheap and it costs nothing to get a quote. The only place I trust and personal tell us is zander insurance call eight hundred three five six forty two eighty two or visit ZANDER DOT com. It's more affordable than you think and you need to get this done. That's ZANDER DOT COM reminder coming up at the bottom of the hour number one bestselling author Ramsey personality Chris Hogan will be with us. If you have a question for Chris you can jump in now. We'll be happy to have you and just the phone number. Here is triple eight eight. Two five five two to five Jackie is with us in Chicago Jackie. Moss Green says you're debt free congratulations. Thank you thank you through very cool. How much have you paid off? I paid up one hundred thousand dollars yeah. How long did this take now three years and four months good for you and your range of income during that time I started out about sixty five to seventy five and then now I making seventy five to eighty five but picked up another job cool living a lot more <hes> I think national therapy I work at a level one trauma hospital strokes and brain injuries and spinal cord injuries so the hundred thousand student loan debt or what most of it so seventy seven thousand is government student loans twenty Alcon with private student loans and then three of it was credit card debt well? That was the first one to go so. Did you get out of school three years ago. What started this no no? I got out of school a million years ago then really years ago years ago. I had a big big change. I just couldn't get off the hamster wheel. I felt like I couldn't figure out why was still in debt. I'm like I got these jobs. I I should be making a ton. I got a master's degree but we know that that doesn't mean that I'm going to be wealthy but <hes> I just couldn't get ahead. I'm like I'm living in studios. I'm buying my clothes at target. What am I doing wrong and so I asked a friend who owned a place like hey do? You think I can move in with you and then right after that my parents let me the financial piece C._D.'s they're like hey take a listen to these in and just see what you think about it and that was the first time I'm like I can do this. I yeah it was like perfect timing like I was ready for it. You discussed it enough to listen. Yes pretty much that makes sense. Okay cool good for you. So what do you tell people. The key to getting out of debt is that's pretty impressive. You paid off a hundred thousand dollars. Almost all of it student loans three years and four months so what's the key you gotTa Tell Yourself. No you can't do it. All if you can't afford it. You cannot do do it. That's the biggest thing when I tell people I'm like yeah you. We can do these things but not right now now. When your Gazelle intense you can't afford to go on vacation and you can't go on vacation but if you save for saying so but I think it's just telling yourself no you don't need it it? You can wait you can save for it and then you'll be able to do it. How old are you? I'm thirty four years old good for you well congratulations so who are your biggest cheerleaders mom and Dad Mom and dad for sure I've I've got big family friends the corrosive who are also Dave supporters and they were helping me along just everybody at work has been cheering me on and all of my friends they know what I'm doing and they're pretty supportive of it. Even when I have to say no to going out and spending ending but everybody onboard oh good for you very very well done war proud of you. Congratulations you got a copy of Chris Hogan's book for you every day millionaires. That's going to be the next chapter. After in your story okay we want to be a millionaire. Okay thank you I would love that too and outrageously generous as you go along so very very well done all right Jackie from Chicago. One hundred two thousand dollars paid off in three years and four months making sixty five eighty five counted down. Let's hear a debt free scream three two one in another millennial set three in the wild. I love it. You guys are amazing. I'm so proud of you very very well done. That's good you know part of not being a victim is deciding you aren't yeah you're not entitled and you're not a victim once you decide that you go. I'm getting off the hamster wheel. That's what she said right. I'm getting off the hamster wheel. I don't WANNA run run run around like a rat wheel. Get nowhere have a heart attack and die that some people's whole lives don't do that with your life. Don't do that with your life. Be Be like Jackie. Grab this thing by the whole about grab the bull by the horns make this thing happen. Take over. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa do what it takes to win. That's when you turn things around. You have to make a decision. This crap is not happening to me anymore. I'm going to start happening to it life life. I'm GonNa tell you what to do. Instead of you telling me what today I'm going to get about the business of designing my life in such a way that I have one get a life. Go get you some. You couldn't do this very possible. That's why we have the debt free screams on and that's why we talk to you guys every day to help you. In any way we can to help you get there. We think you can do it. Sometimes we know you can do it and we often think and no. You can do it more than you do because we've seen someone just like you. Do it just like you. I'm talking to you. Yeah you yeah you you. Someone just like you has done it before gotten out of debt gotten under control where they're spending increase their income started to save and invest in became a millionaire millionaire's come from all kinds of backgrounds but the one thing we know is is that very few of them come from wealthy backgrounds. Most of them started from nothing. Most of them did not inherit their money upwards of ninety percent are not millionaires because of inherited money. That's what Chris Hogan found in the study that we did as we were building the book everyday millionaires that he wrote yeah learn about this stuff. Get that book and read it. It will change your whole perspective on what this what the deal is. Are you a victim. No we've got statistical data proven we. I know that you can win. We know that it's possible all right checking in with <hes> an Instagram follower I live in Vegas. Brandon says house prices renna raising fast. I can't afford a house payment in the size. We're looking at right now but I'm still working our debt snowball. Should I purchase now to avoid the crazy prices in a year or rent longer rent longer. You should not buy a house until you're out of that Brandon. The House will become curse worse rather than a blessing Brennan. I don't know if you know much about Las Vegas but a few years back it was voted the fastest growing city in America. It was the biggest real estate bubble that burst when the real estate bubble burst. I A lot of properties they're dropped in half in value more than any other city in America. It was a mess and if you think you WANNA ride one of those bubbles up again and then watch it pop while you're your broken in debt. I'm going to tell you don't do that. I'm not saying Las Vegas is a bubble. I'm saying it was before and that's a proven fact that's not. It's an observable fact. It's not a supposition of how I feel about. The things show no matter where you live sir buying a home while you're broke is a bad idea it will make you broker and broker and broker because everything that can go wrong will when you move in and Sallie Mae moves in the spare bedroom because you still got a student loan you still got a car fleece sitting in your driveway and you still owe Master Card as soon as you do the roof leak the high heat narrow go out in the hot water heater will blow up and you're gonNA find out about a homeownership costs a lot to own a home. You don't WanNa do that when you bro. Please get yourself out of that. Have Your Emergency Fund in place. Do do things in the proper order. Don't get house fever when you make decisions like this based on fear of the market outpacing you. You're getting ready to do something stupid. This is the Dave Ramsey show yeah yeah this half hour number one bestselling author Ramsey personality Chris Hogan author of the. Book Every Number One bestselling book everyday millionaires how ordinary people built extraordinary wealth and how you can too you hear him here filling in for me periodically like Rachel does and Anthony Does Christie does and so forth Coleman Ken Coleman has been in here a couple of times when I've been gone on vacation lately and of course certainly has <hes> been jumping in and fill in so how's it feel to do show when I'm not sitting here Dave. There's a little pressure. There's a little pressure that comes with the situation. <hes> there's a lot going on on <hes> just steering the ship. There's so many moving components <hes> of what's happening with the clock and then the brakes and so it is one of those. It's been a great learning curve <hes> but I I've really enjoyed it or it as you're good at it. Lie appreciate that that's that's what everybody's saying. Gene Kelly have done a great job. They have. Yes absolutely so Chris Hera answer your question with me this half hour the phone number is triple eight eight. Two five five two two five audrey is with us in San Antonio Texas sexist Audrey. How are you hi Dave? God bless you. Thank you for helping absolutely how can Christian I help. I have <hes> retirement coming. It's a rollover <hes> I have one retirement that <hes> eighty eighty two thousand in one account and I'm contemplating ruling the other. I've got another <hes> account coming thirty eight thousand and I WANNA roll it. I was thinking to roll it into a separate <hes> account so so not to put all my eggs in one basket is what I was thinking but I was wondering what it'd be better to put it all together or could it into two separate will technically you can't combine them anyway. You would have to separate account numbers with your I._R._A.. So you're all in both into I._R._A.'s and you <hes> but if you put them both in the same four mutual funds and certainly the four categories of mutual funds there'd be no harm in that okay because it <hes> <hes> it is going to be a rollover 'cause I got a divorce and they said that I could put it in a separate account. Yes yeah you need. You do need to roll out. It's his 4. Half then yeah yeah role that to an accounts would be better better than one account. It's it's not it's mandatory. They make you have two different account numbers but you could put them all you can put both of the funds are both sets of <hes> rollovers into the exact same mutual funds and it would have the same effect of having one account and there'd be nothing wrong with that. Does that make sense. I'm missing something. What am I no no not at all and audrey you can set those up as David saying in investing the same four ways and those growth stock mutual funds and you'll be well on your way <hes> that's a great question and and it's really one of those reaching out to a smartvestor pro in your area will help guide you through that entire process seamlessly yeah click smartvestor Daveramsey DOT COM and one of the pros will help you walk through the process? It's not that much to it. You can do it and you'll understand it in one meeting Jesse's with us in Jackson Miss. Hey Jessie what's up. Yes Sir I met the Ramsey Mr Hogan honor to speak Etait you too yes sir <hes> actually call him <music> <hes> me and my wife <hes> actually beginning of this week we finally decided to I guess you would say take the bull by the horns and <hes> start managing our money and <hes> really really get this train back on the tracks and and <hes> really my question is am I do travel for <hes> instead of staying in hotels whatever actually on my pull the camper with me to location <hes> most of the time I'm I'm there for four I five months at a time <hes> we actually travel throughout the United States and <hes> I'm really just kind of looking seeing what things I could eliminate as far as bad and <hes> and hearsay and really all of our day combined really <hes> the setup but I have to travel with <hes> is a pretty good bit of my dad and <hes> really going to see if maybe had an idea of another route I could take or what have you to <hes> to maybe minimize some of this okay and Jesse when you talk about what you travel with as a large part of your debt. How much debt do you have on the truck in the camper? Oh right now that the truck is at about about thirty thousand and the Camper Camper. I'm probably about twenty four okay and so with that is that's those are recreational things that you're using for business correct yes yeah because most of the time <hes> I normally would just stay in a hotel and <hes> with the hotel. Oh you're <hes> I've I've seen average of you're going to be spending around around the five or six hundred dollars a week <hes> and actually <hes> doing this round. I'm actually spending about that same amount but in a monthly aspect other than the weekly <hes> mhm well I liked the juve made a decision about debt like you said getting the train back on the track <hes> but as far as working your debt snowball is just going to be a matter of getting serious. I mean what's your household income right now. We're probably about one hundred hundred twelve thousand a year okay and what other debt you have outside of this this truck in the camper <hes> about two thousand and medical bills <hes> about fifteen on my wife's car and a mortgage and that's it how much on the mortgage <hes> we're about. We're about this. I'm not saying I would. I'd be lying if I gave it exact number okay all right well. I think if I'm in your shoes what I'm GonNa do is get serious about attacking that debt or I'm going to sell those those things and get a hotel. I mean those are the realistically the two options as you start to walk through it so you guys need to make a decision but you got a whole lot of debt hanging around with you about fifty six thousand dollars between the truck and the camper so you can see your game can change change if you were to sell those but if you buckle down and get serious I think you can attack it and pay it off. What's your thought day? I think you can go one or two ways. <hes> one way would be used to add these up and run your debt snowball and say hey are we willing to cut deep enough to get all the stuff except the house paid off into years. It'd be it'd be tight but you probably could do it but I mean it'd be an zero. It'd be beans and rice rice and beans indie really want that camper truck combination combination that badly the other option would be sell those two things you'd be debt free very quickly not counting the house and then begin to save while you're using the hotels <hes> to to buy another camper and another truck and my guess is you. You might buy a different camper and truck when you're paying cash. Yes absolutely really truly so either way's fine. How much of your life do you want to give out because basically it's GonNa cost you about a year of your life to keep these things? Yes Sir <hes> really I'm. I'm at the point now of <hes> Lord. I I heard you say before. I mean still so many things the kids think they're next and I'm I'm Kinda at that point now of of really <hes> just whatever the best <hes> I guess you could say your idea of having the camper to stay in is a good idea. It's cheaper than the hotel. That's where your idea came from right. I mean you save a ton of money doing that if it was all paid for so the question is for this camper and this truck are you willing to go beans and rice for about an extra year because that's what the math looks like you know versus versus Salam and then by some other ones a couple years from now either one of those plans okay with me. It's just a matter how much price you WanNa pay for that particular rig now. I've had some rigs in my life. I'd pay pressure to to keep them. I'd bear down and do it and I've had some other stuff. I didn't give a crap about on. I'd rather be free and so either. One of those is fine. You can be out fast enough if I looked at. This is GonNa take you five years. I'd be selling it but I think you can be done in two years with all of this. If you're I one hundred twelve thousand our income if you really lean in but it's going to be tight 'cause if I got that you know looks like we got sixty seventy five eighty thousand out of one twelve. That's forty eight year for two years. That's doable but it's tight as tight and Mama back home while you're living in the camper is also going to be tight <hes> and so she's got to be completely on board with paying the family's GonNa pay a price for you to keep this rig as well so good stuff man. Thank you for calling going in. I'm glad you're doing it. You can do it. You were right here to help you. If you need some more help this <hes> Chris Hogan joins me this hour answering this half hour answering your questions Ramsey personality number one bestselling author of the book every day millionaires millionare's how ordinary people built extraordinary wealth and how you can too this is the Dave Ramsey show uh-huh <music> today saw one three one how good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in Unity Helen Keller said alone we can do so little together we can do so much so Chris Hogan and I are together Ramsey personality number one bestselling author answering your questions. Latisha is with US and San Francisco this go hi Latisha how are you. I'm fine thank you. How are you guys doing better than I deserve? How can we help okay so I have a question? I'll start with a question first and then try to give you some background information. You can let me know if you need more okay so the question is my husband. It's been has an opportunity to <hes> transfer his job to Georgia north Georgia or north Georgia in Atlanta <hes> Alfred Woodstock Marianne area <hes> we're into San Francisco Bay area. We are currently debt free except for our home. <hes> we bought our home ten years ago when it was low so we bought low our current payment is twenty two hundred a month. We owe to seventy on it and we're looking to the move or considering the move for a couple of reasons. One is financial. Obviously the cost of living is cheaper out there. We actually went out there. A couple of weeks ago to kind of look around seems like we would save money obviously on real estate home <hes> property tax in fuel all other costs Kinda seem relative or kind of a wash Josh income taxes or what that Georgia has a small income tax compared to California. Oh Okay Oh so. We figured I'm sorry I was just referencing groceries and right this up before we go any further. Where do y'all live well? That's the thing so we we have always had a desire like we. We have a three year old daughter now but even before we had her we always kind of thought in the back of her head. We wouldn't retire here California's. That's fine or not in love with it. We don't like the school systems now that that's on our plate to think about. We don't like the cost of living in the taxes the political environment. There's several things that we don't like about it but it's all we know we grew up here in northern California so it's kind of a scary thought we've never bounced around moved around the particular area in Atlanta that you're talking about going as a wonderful area. It looks like it. It's an upscale hi good good community strong schools. I just happen to know a little bit about it and spoken in several churches in that area no bunch of people who live there and it's just a it's a great area so there's nothing wrong with this move so far. What's your question okay so the question is you gotTa have a loss of income and when he works he won't have a loss of his base salary he when you work in this area you get a fifteen percent? I'm geographical pay when he moves because that area and Atlanta is up and coming. I mean they do have a five percent so he is going to lose ten percent of his pay <hes> so we were wondering we know moving isn't cheap <hes> but we're wondering. Is this a wise decision. <hes> financially are two goals financially would be obviously obviously you take the equity would have in this house. Put a larger down payment on a home over there to give us. <hes> you know more money. A fifteen year fixed more money at the end of the day to to up our retirement and our college savings account because I'm forty. Hugh he's forty four so we're saving poodles. What does he make it in college? I'm sorry what does he make. He makes right now. A hundred thousand okay says ten thousand dollar swing yeah ten thousand dollar swing do that heartbe okay. What would you think Chris? I mean I'm listening to this. Dave and I'm with you. It's a matter of where do you WanNa live Latisha and the financial side the dentist of quality of life so if you've grown up in northern California are all of your family there yes yes they are. We don't see them. I mean my family is about four hour drive away his family's <hes> in the same town where we're we don't have any family issues but we don't see them that regularly or or you know it's not they're not yeah part of our lives. It's called care when my daughter I can tell you this. You're going to save more than ten percent by relocating to Georgia and in the tax side of things and where you are so I mean for me from a financial standpoint and quality of life. I think you're going to enjoy it. What's your income tax rate in flaw in California? I twenty one percent four in Georgia. Oh my goodness. I think we just found your ten thousand dollars. No kidding. I'm not positive positive but double check but I I think it is <hes> okay and they do have an income tax but my recollection is. It's very very small number like that and so checked that that may answer your question instantaneously but the big thing is. Where do you want live four hours away? You're also four hours away by air. That's right from California. I mean from San Francisco Atlanta. You can be there in four hours and plus your modest kidding through the Atlanta airport just somewhat like going through Hell uh-huh and Dave. I was GONNA talk about the traffic in Atlanta but they live in California traffic upgrade. That's without a doubt. It's hard to imagine that it's possible. That's true I it's a matter of where you guys WanNa live. It sounds like a great adventure venture. Here's the other thing if you go over there and it doesn't work. You probably could move back. You know nothing is permanent as if he'll sometimes when you're doing these things so I I'm in. I like it all right Zachary's in Austin Texas Zachary your question for Chris Hogan. Let me hey guys have gone to my question is we're on me and my baby step four or five and six. If you will mainly focusing on paying the house off early <hes> at the same time we have a small business that we run so I'm trying to find the right way to balance both being Gazelle in tents on the four five and six steps as well as trying to build up A. I guess you guys call it like a retained earnings fun for the business itself. Okay well. I the way I set the Ba- retained earnings fund is I just say a percentage and you decide the percentage of your net profit. Each month should be dumped into retained earnings okay and it wouldn't be ads. <hes> I guess not out the exact same as like what you recommend for <hes> the personal side words just straight expenses bare minimum expenses. No I get to about six months of business expenses because you need to be your own line of credit and not be borrowed the business to expand not be borrowing money to survive that kind of thing. You're trying to get there. I you know full disclosure. I've never gotten there are businesses grown faster than retained earnings has grown on and today to hold six months of cash that it would take for this place to operate would be so much money be ludicrous so it starts to change but but you know a small business with you know forty fifty team members or less man. If you had that kind of cash position you'd feel so rich you know six months worth you know what to do so you can adjust that back and forth and say I put too much in retained earnings so I can't do my stuff at home where I'm doing so much stuff at home I can't do any retained earnings and just dow back and forth between those two knobs knobs and I think you can find the balance you're looking for Chris when you're meeting with an entrepreneur like that an entree leader when when you are teaching entree leadership and they're asking that question you know one of the things I run into his that I'd say ninety percent of time they have zero oh retaining links that's right and not only the zero retained earnings day but they also have debt. You know they've they've. They've they've leveraged something because they heard a professor or some guru say that you need to and so you know Dave's principles are are definitely applicable in business that mindset of getting yourself out of debt having a cash position it just puts you in a position to have opportunities for Your Business and so this is all taught in Dave's playbook <hes> he laid it out people <hes> if you've not picked pick that up and read it it's called Entree leadership. It's the playbook on how he went from a card table in his living room to now almost thousand team members but it talks about the operating principles of Ramsey solutions so if you've not read that if you are a leader or a business owner or you want to be we go pick it up and the day we also have all access which is available for people that can they can plug in and hear more information now. That's the behind the scenes thing you know where we show. We walk with you that way. The thing the thing about business we don't use the same aimed baby steps who do use the same principle correct. The principles are saving for emergencies and saving to purchase things so you pay cash instead of going into debt staying out of debt those are principles but <hes> we simultaneously teach small businesses to get out of that while wild buildings from retained earnings that's different than we teach on the personal finance Lettuce Greg so Chris. Thanks for joining me. Thank you for having me Dave Logan Ramsey personality here with you this half hour. I am Dave Ramsey your host thanks to James Childs our producer Kelly Daniel Associate producer. We'll be back with you before you know it. In the meantime remember there's ultimately only one way to financial peace and that's to walk daily with the Prince of Peace Christ Jesus. Hey it's Kelly associate producer and phone screener for the Dave Ramsey show. 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3 Powerful Techniques To Turn Your Chaos Into Opportunity - Dr. Robert Richman

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We'll bring you the greatest teachers and thought leaders on the planet discussed the world's most powerful ideas and personal growth for mind body. And here's the interesting thing. Though the dark side of it i believe is that with a lot of change comes a lot of chaos right. There's a lot of chaos. My friend dave logan and author showed me this. He said the reason. It's chaos chaos. What is it. it's complete disorder and confusion right. Yeah but here's the catch. Here's the trick. Here's a hack is. The chaos only appears to be chaos. When you're in it. In retrospect the patterns it makes sense it becomes controllable and you can use it to your advantage. Yes yes so. Those who recognize patterns capitalize on chaos. Do you notice the way you hear. Vision speak the way. You hear eric speak. It's they're capturing so many different patterns. It's obvious once they present to us. What was chaotic before they set it. They capitalize on patterns. Who here's flow states so this pattern recognition of flow states. It's not necessarily the truth. But it's one definitions of how states happen discovered by kotler in his book. Rise of superman so it starts with this phase of struggle in beta brain waves. Then you go to alpha into a release date and then finally into flow and then recovering. And i actually experienced this this entire time. I've been here. I've been struggling with what to say. Because i have this speech done but it didn't feel good and then i got to the release stage actually this morning in meditation. Emily fletcher's technique sitting there. And i got this download of this new. That i'm telling you about here so first starts with a struggle. Then it's the release then you get into a flow state and then kotler found is really important. Is that you get into this recovery. Stage that we don't like going out to flow but if we try to stay in flow too long without going into recovery there could be damages. In fact he found that stunt men and women actually get hurt more when the stunt is done because they think that they're still in the flow state when they're really out of it need to go into recovery so this is one example of pattern recognition. I'm going to talk more about that releasing flow but for now back to cast. How would you say that. We work with chaos rather than against it. This is a bizarre counterintuitive. Answer found but this is it is. It's more chaos. It's more chaos. Because the people who actively consciously create chaos are going to be the ones who lead because changes happening whether you like it or not so the question is are you going to be the one to create the changes and thus create the chaos and now mind you this can be used for good or evil because there is a certain political candidate. Who is stirring up. A lot of chaos. A lot. a lot right and he's winning. You can't argue with the scoreboard. He's really shaking things up shaking up the american public and he's winning so the first hack i wanna teach you is how to create chaos how to create their too and these are going to be weird. This isn't like stuff. I'm stealing from all of these self help books like this. This is stuff that just coming to me in the most random ways because the first one is to get awkward now. My mentor said this to me. We're walking to business. Meeting were not everybody was going to be showing up. And i said what are we gonna do. Not everybody's going to be there and he goes. We've got to make an asset out of the awkward and awkwardness is an asset. I'll give you an example of this. That i think all probably experienced this little name here. I'm going to wing it me about to do something. I most definitely should not wing right when we wing it. That's inviting the chaos in. We don't know what's going to happen. That's part of it if you can create situations. How many times a day are you entering a situation where you have no idea what's going to happen but there's going to be something to learn from it. So here's the second hack for how to do that. Is you be number driver be neutral. Because you don't know who's going to come into your car you have no idea but there's enough safety there that you're going to be okay. You are. They got ratings. Don't take anybody four stars or below you get the five star people in the car. You can have a conversation that you would not have had otherwise and when you go to the market. It's awkward to awkward to talk to people they don't wanna be bugged but in the uber. It's a chance for a conversation. It's what i've heard of. It's called his entering the quantum field. The place where you don't know what's going to happen. So these are two conscious ways to create chaos in your life and now the second. Oddly enough is destroy. Chaos paradoxical perhaps. But you've probably heard of this taking out the chaos. And i said it was get awkward for create chaos in order to destroy chaos. It's get relevant. It eliminate the irrelevant. It is dragging your resources your time your energy. I teach us businesses. I share them. The enemy is not the competition. The enemy is distraction workers. Everybody can have so many distractions out there right facebook. You can't watch everybody all the time. There are so many opportunities for it. But it's irrelevant. Get relevant. here's the second hack for how to destroy chaos in your life. Do that thing explain so my friend renita is a woman who's done every kind of self help program out there and not just taking it and then go to the next with methodical notes and plans and strategies and action items going to program to program and then all of a sudden it seemed on facebook. She's got the career she wants. She's got the man she wants. She's finally having a kid like all the major things she's wanted for long to accomplish with those programs. I sat down with her for dinner. I said you gotta tell me. Which program was. Which is the one that. Finally got you the breakthrough right. She says you're not going to believe this. She said this is all. I did differently. I just put the other the list of everything. I have to do everything that i have to. Of course you eliminate the irrelevant right stuff that you just don't want to do or not committed to do but everything i had to do. And she said. I started with the ones i didn't wanna do. And i worked my way up and i just started getting rid of those things that were on my mind that were dragging resources that were creating this chaos in my life that i didn't need that created the space for what's truly relevant for her so the third is maintained a culture of equilibrium and it'll equilibriums defined as a state in which opposing forces or influences are balanced maintain a culture of equilibrium. And the way to do this. We've seen get awkward. We've seen relevant this. One is get context when you really experience the power of this. You'll see just how easy these things can be and context is nothing more than right people right place right time. The when the where. The who. Steve jobs has said that his number one talent is recognizing talent in others and surrounding himself with those people. And it's no coincidence that he was in silicon valley in the computer industry. At the time the microprocessor was shrinking down to that he was in the right place at the right time with the right people who he feels. They're at they're in the right place and the right time with the right people. Great move on your part. You already get this and there's opportunity for more of it. I was talking to the heads of one of the most famous coaching schools and they put out a lot of books. A lot of words. Mind you and he said to me he said ninety. Eight percent of transformation is body and environment. It floored you know how much talking coaching schools do. But he said ninety eight percent is body and environment so think. What does the environment that you're going back to. What are you surrounding yourself. Who are you surrounding yourself with. Because here's something really interesting. 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Patients Want Healthcare Price Transparency, But Few Seek It Out [PODCAST]

The Hospital Finance Podcast

22:05 min | 4 months ago

Patients Want Healthcare Price Transparency, But Few Seek It Out [PODCAST]

"Welcome to the hospital finance podcast. You're go to source for information and insights. They can help you. Stay ahead of the challenges. Impacting healthcare finance and now the host of the hospital finance podcast. Michael passage is mike bass naughty and welcome back to the award. Winning hospital finance podcast improving healthcare price. Transparency has been the focus of many initiatives at both the state and federal levels of government. A recent survey conducted by the pioneer institute in massachusetts. Has shed some light on. How or if consumers actually take advantage of published pricing information to discuss the results of the survey. I'm joined by barbara anthony. Senior fellow in health care policy at the pioneer institute barbara. Welcome to the show. We'll thanks well. It's great to be on nyc definitely looking forward to this discussion. Barbara and for those In our audience who may not be familiar with the pioneer institute. Watch tell us a little bit about what you do. Their institute is first of all. We are a nonprofit. think tank. Where a bipartisan nonpartisan. Really and we're located in boston massachusetts. We we are we do research we And ice data we produce papers reports surveys And on a whole range of issues and what. Our work is really geared toward is trying to improve state government in many ways and also our economy in any way based on free market principles so areas that we work in and do a lot of publishing in education Better schools transportation transparency in government Government finances and healthcare. We do a lot of work at healthcare as well as we talked about before the show. our topic today around price. Transparency is something that is of the utmost importance to our hospitals right now and is certainly on the minds of our government officials for sure so With that let me ask you. Why did you initiate this particular study. And what were you looking at -chusetts now since twenty fourteen. We've had laws on our books that require price. Transparency from both providers meaning hospitals doctors clinics and insurance companies. So we have. We have a state law. Here that requires that providers give out prices upon request Of of a customer patient and insurance companies have to develop and they have developed what are called price transparency tool. So that if you're a member of an insurance company using go online and you can determine what the call you. The prices of various procedures among various providers and your out of pocket cost is Know what your remaining deductible is so we had these laws in massachusetts have been around now since twenty fourteen. I used to work for state government. I was under secretary of consumer affairs During the patrick ministration here. And so i was very involved in developing this law and then it's very initial implementation so the years go by and It's now What are we. We're in twenty twenty one so it's been quite a while Since the laws became effective in twenty fourteen and we we wanted to know wh what impact those laws have had and and whether consumers are taking advantage of them I'll tell you one thing we do know because we've done a lot of studies at pioneer on hospital and insurance company compliance with those and Unfortunately with respect to provider compliance particularly hospitals. We've found that Complaints hasn't been so great that That it's the costs. Pedals don't maintain a very friendly system for providing consumers with the price of medical procedure before you receive them companies do a better job of Of putting information out there Through their cost estimate or tools. As i mentioned the problem though is that the uptake by consumers by members of various insurance companies has been slow so we wanted to find out from the consumer viewpoint. Now we knew what was going on on the provider and the insurance company side. We're going to know what consumers thought about all this. So that's why we did this study. And who did you survey When you began to study well series done by a company called data research that da Dave logan who was a very well known pollster here in massachusetts but he doesn't national political polls what time he's the director of the suffolk university resource center so They conducted the poll for us. And we worked together on the questionnaire and analyzing the results. Very pleased with david zwicky. So he's an excellent pollster and that paul was to consumers across the state of massachusetts. We'll we'll did. Mike was this. You want one of the things that's really important to get too into the weeds on polling but In order for if you're gonna do upholds you're gonna do a survey it has to be statistically reliable invalid with that you look at that survey and you wanna say gee. I've got a lot of confidence that the results in the survey are accurate. And if i did a hundred more times it's gonna come out to be roughly the same. So that's another reason. Of course where we went to the professional pollster and what we did was David did developed a sample size of about a five hundred people. You gonna make a lot of this was done by telephone so landline and cell phone. No throughout the state of massachusetts all geographic areas across all income groups All kinds of other age groups but the main thing we wanted here was four five hundred people who got their health insurance through their employer or else they Bought it on the On the exchange. The massachusetts Ah the connector is what it's called so we did not want anyone who was receiving medicare. we didn't want anyone medicaid. We wanted people who were insured. By the private insurance companies here in the state and so we came the surveyors Came up with a five hundred people and that was the sample size and then List to questions we've asked us all surveys and That's basically Yeah how it was conducted and barbara. What did the survey results reveal about. How consumers access pricing information. Well unfortunately our survey results reveals some of what we already knew. That consumers do not access pricing information. Very much We we found out that only about one in five consumers in massachusetts Has ever tried to find the price of service in advance of getting that health. Care service And i'm assuming now that and we also found that the of those or five that comes from the insurance companies cost estimator till so. But that's a pretty low number of people who are trying who have thought about trying to find out the price of healthcare information And the the issue here is that you know. Most people just think that the information was available they didn't know it was available Hadn't thought about trying to access Pricing information didn't know where to go to find it so th that was We're totally surprised. But we were of course disappointed that so many consumers out there. Even though the information's available here Did not know that they could have access to it. And i guess on the flip side did anything about the finding surprise you re re taking back or anything you want me to rule out. There are a number of things that the surprise us. so we We did ask consumers. Well who would you trust to give you. who would you go to. Who would you trust and trust was the keyword there To get price information about healthcare from and surprise you know. Surprisingly i shouldn't say to surprisingly but insurance companies doctors were in the top tier In addition to that they commonwealth of massachusetts though. That's apprised us a little bit because you know a lot of people don't trust government but we have our we have a an agency here in massachusetts that does have a website where they do provide Some kind of price information about healthcare services for consumers so Doctors insurance companies and the stage where the most trusted entities here in massachusetts for consumers in terms of obtaining price information. That's what they felt. They could trust the most now the the thing. That was a little bit surprising. I think the hospital we're down at the bottom of the list is only like three or four percent of of the survey tokes surveyed. Said they would. They would trust hospital to go to in terms of obtaining price information. I think that is just a reflection of the fact that it's very hospital here. Don't make it easy for consumers to. I'm not suggesting that they make it easy elsewhere but here massachusetts our own. Pioneer studies have shown that it's very difficult for consumers to get price information from and it's also not something that's widely publicized. So i'm i'm not you know i'm not really surprised that that cape that that showed up so low on the on the scale in terms of trust and it just shows how much how much work there has to be done to bring that trust number up and provide consumers with that information. Well certainly hospitals will be I think motivated to move forward faster with price. Transparency efforts given the The push the federal government and the new rules true absolutely so it This this survey took place before the federal laws were were they. I think they are in the process of being promulgated and you had not taken effect yet so i think that the landscape has changed from from the results of this survey. But you know these but it was. It was It certainly needs changing and we can see that we've got We have a very low bar here that needs to be raised in terms of providing this information to consumers on you. You know it was interesting that we this idea of we as consumers you want. Would you like price information about a healthcare service before you obtain us and that was a very high number and trying to. I think it was almost like between seventy and eighty percent said. Yeah we do want to know the price of healthcare service before we get it but it but again people didn't know where to go did note was available. So there's a desire to know and i think that providers especially but it insurance companies to and employers also need. We all need to do a better job in terms of getting this information out to consumers. i mean some of the other things that consumers told us in the surveys. We you know we gave them some things to choose from there. They want easy access to price information. You know nobody wants to have to sit in front of a spreadsheet aunt and told through You know an excel to find out the price of service so they they would like apps on their phones. They would like Easy to read websites. That display of pocket costs They're also interested in you know incentives cash incentives to seek lower cost providers in a lot of people some. I shouldn't say a lot but some people in our survey thought they didn't matter which provider you went to with hospital where doctor that everybody charge the same price. Now that is you know at so not correct We have very wide variations in health. Care prices all around the country massachusetts. No different we have tremendous variation in healthcare prices. We have very expensive Hospitals and doctors and we have mid price. We have low priced so it is I wide range to choose from now. We're very interested in quality so we call these high value lower cost providers. But we're we're talking about here is trying to incentive consumers to Perhaps do some shopping around for those services healthcare services that are not an emergency services are Or you know very sophisticated. Tertiary our core care services but x-rays basic medical kinds of services. That everyone gets there is great. There's a great difference in price depending on where you go. And so What we found is that No matter what your income was people did want to know that this information and So and and they wanted easy ways of getting it. In addition to that people were Consumers i should say in this survey we're interested in getting cash back from near insurance companies if the consumer chose a a high value lower cost provider. So they're they're these there. Are these programs all over the country. They're not as widespread as we would. Halt we hope they would be But you can Earn money back And if you choose a provider that's less expensive than the the top tier providers for a particular procedure. The other thing that that we learned is that again people trust their insurance companies. Here and i know again that may go against the national grain but we do have very good insurance companies in massachusetts. They're always at the top of the. Us world news report List of Know good health plans and what what people and again they were. They were among the more trusted Entities that. Our consumers said they would go to for healthcare price information. So what consumers want it again. From our survey seventy percent of them wanted they were interested in getting notifications from insurance companies on ways in which they could save money the consumer could save money so they trust the insurance company to give them that information And interestingly enough they also wanna know how the price paid by the insurance company itself to the provider so about seventy five percent of the three out of four hundred or know that but well. I'm talking about insurance companies. I do want to say that one of the first questions. We asked consumers. Is you know how satisfied you know. Are you With respect to your insurance company and we this result was it was a little surprising to me. Because i'm not in the business of the insurance health insurance company business But seventy five percent of massachusetts consumers with commercial health. Insurance were very satisfied or satisfied with their current health insurance and We found out that that's consistent with. What the carriers but their own survey site that may not be true nationally. I think what. I just wanted to clear this up for your listeners to that ll why should that be in massachusetts. Isn't that our insurance companies. Don't make money. they do course but they they're. They're they're Organizational status is that of nonprofits. They do not have shareholders so and they are also very heavily regulated by the state so They do behave. i believe i. This is fair to say differently here. Massachusetts than many shirts companies in other parts of the country where they are for profit where they are four prophets where a state regulations lacks And so it kind of showed in our survey that people who were satisfied and also that they trust them to get this price information from great insights there barbara Based on what you've found what recommendations do you have for stakeholders around price transparency initiatives. Well this is something you know that. I've been saying for years here that and really we we need some be great to get some great leadership at the state level We bully pulpit here Certainly the state of massachusetts has A great interest as most states in lowering health care costs I mean we all do and one way to lower cost is of course to have to to make it easier for consumers to ago to high value lower cost providers but we need an educate. We need to educate people and that takes government leadership. It takes business leadership. I mean again. Employers have a great stake in this as well because many many large most all large employers self insured and they're paying directly for healthcare costs and small businesses are very concerned about their premiums. They wanna see healthcare cost we do so we get the insurance industry. We get government and we get the providers we absolutely need to have more buying from massachusetts hospitals and physicians and and And special you know. Special specialists across the board In terms of educating consumers and making it easier for consumers to get price transparency information. It can't just be one there really has to be a coordinated effort those those entities state government employers insurance industry and providers coming together to educate consumers. And we'd love to have an of course we have some good very very good Consp- healthcare consumer organisations here in massachusetts and wanted. You know they should be involved as well in terms of helping to spread the word that this information is available and that it can actually help save people money but direct people to situations where quality is high. Price is lower in effect. Actually we have. We're study started a few years ago here by our attorney general's office that the demonstrated what i said. That price is not an indication of quality in of healthcare and sometimes consumers have that misconception. You know we we call it. The neiman marcus effect. That that you think if it's a fancy place and are let's say higher priced institution that you're going to get better quality. That is not the case studies. Were done that. Show that price and quality the there was not a correlation that they were what statisticians call. It was a scatalogical Situation where they're not they're not correlated And so that's why it's even more important to get information out and that's why it takes say it takes a village but it takes government. It takes all those other stakeholders. I mentioned working together to provide the kind of education and access for consumers that they want borrow. Someone wanted to find out more about the survey. Where can they go. Well i think the easiest thing to do is to go to the pioneer institute website which is pioneer institute dot org and Follow the Health or care Tabs on that website and you can see the entire We've got about twenty over twenty Charts up and there's also Very recently An entire written. Report on everything. I've just talked about so The information out there very transparent people who see it and And and read it and And use it as they as a brand. You thank you so much for joining us today on. The hospital finance podcast. Thank you for inviting us and we appreciate it very much. This concludes today's episode of the hospital. Finance podcast for show notes and additional resources to help you protect and enhance revenue at your hospital. Visit bessler dot com forward slash podcasts. The hospital finance podcast is a production of bessler smart about revenue tenacious about results.

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#BTeamDJs  Vol 5_08 DJ Kozmo Naughty List 12.26.20

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1:27:56 hr | 6 months ago

#BTeamDJs Vol 5_08 DJ Kozmo Naughty List 12.26.20

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#24: Bryn Jones, CEO @ PartnerStack, on how to build a profitable partner program

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50:18 min | 1 year ago

#24: Bryn Jones, CEO @ PartnerStack, on how to build a profitable partner program

"What's up growth nation welcome back to scaler die the show where we uncover proven growth strategies from CEO's and growth experts behind some of the world's fastest growing start ups I'm your host, Dave Logan Moser today I've got Bryn Jones Co founder, and CEO at partner Stack formerly grow sumo company that we use that as an online platform to basically give you everything that you need to build your own partner program, turn your customers and fans into your own distributed sales sources the way I look. At it so we've been using them for a while now, very cool product and I'm excited to talk to you Brian about kind of how they've grown that to something. So cool. So Brennan, welcome to the showman also Dave. Thanks for having me on here. That's something to look forward to be fun. So we're talking to partners stack here and where you guys at today in terms of some of the revenue numbers that you track or customers or employees numbers just where he has that right now. So we're we're about thirty people right now we've tripled the teeth unlocks bonds. We've run revenue close to forty percent You know like on a on a on a steady track to go through and. To continue scaling up this year, we expect will probably double the team size by year. So be somewhere in the range of fifty five or so. So life is good and growing since sometimes hurt is let go through say but our having a lot of fun. Very cool. He hasn't been doing this about four years now, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I guess going back to where we started is two thousand, fifteen co-founders and I we found another company and it. Was Like slack for nonprofits and the one recommendation I always tell people is never build slack for nonprofits. It's not a business that you want to be in. Should you be anything for nonprofits or is it the nonprofit part? That's the hard part you know what I think it was yeah I think bill for nonprofits as tough. So people don't really good job at it's not what I can go through to do is what we went through and learn. And so it it started with that are before us we started. Really working hard on a problem when we graduate school and. Learn very quickly that that was not business that we wanted to go through to. A Park actually vaulted about our carver channel was actually like what I like to say the only thing that was working inside of our business and that's how he got started. Back in two thousand fifteen and you guys did Y see we did Y. C. were winter two, thousand, eighteen a year ago Did you guys take partner stack through Y C or is that the nonprofit slack bill? Yeah. No. So we applied to Y C twice before with the nonprofit slack deal and definitely didn't get in we got in with partner. Stack. It was like. February two thousand fifteen was when we first started working on just as an idea we went on, did a whole bunch of customer discovery made application into why see we got in? Really as an idea was very fresh when when we first got in there, did you have no customers when you've got snow customers, we didn't even have a functioning platform. So we got into I. See we actually put Atlantic page together and we reached out to you know forty SAS companies and twenty of those forty six companies signed up for platform within two weeks, and that's the only thing that work by the time we had our first meeting with Aaron, Harris, Kevin Hale, and cast. It was an uphill battle after that for sure. So what did you think of why see like? What was your experience looking back on it? I mean I think that why sees I mean their model is incredible right? They put them all together where they bring investors all in one place in the becomes like very easy to raise financing in a very short period of time the things they teach you inside of their setting goals. And trying to go through it targets. Are Things we still use today. It's how we actually go through in train all of our managers who come on board really game like the playbook. To go through the scale up the business and like what what do you mean by that one example of the goal setting that you're teaching your managers that you got from Y C. Yeah so I think that like you know the. Setting a goal for where you want to be end of year working back from that and How the house like everyone knows how to do that but like to actually conversations that keep you accountable and how like feedback is really really important. and. I think that. Part of why you you're doing group office hours two weeks, and you get to have the hard conversations in front of a team of in front of eight other groups and you to see our conversations that they're having a have shows that like everything's broken. Always, it's no point of you know like. You know bullshitting Be Honest with what's there and I think that that's like quarter go to our business in encoded quarter who we are in the White Sea partners love hard conversations I mean just like I, always feel like why c talking to somebody's like jumping into an icy river it's like this is GonNa be tough and I'm GONNA be a little bit upset at the of this, but it's always yeah. So good and that was a shock for me I think going into I see. Yeah Yeah. No, it's like I. Remember I conversation. First. Meeting. First Conversation we sat right next to you Kevin Hale and he turned to us and I knew that we're going to get picked on to go through in like explain why business news like listen. This is a safe space like tell us everything that's wrong and like we had no idea what we're doing right like. Founders done accompany before really had gone nowhere I turned to him and I was like you know the truth is. Operatives, completely broken it doesn't work in our customers are going through play and I remember just getting. Just, walking over hot coals but the look on his face. And so. Thankfully that was I. don't think it was the last time we saw that look but you know we got we got used to it and learn. The hard way that this is how you got to grossed out. I remember we got our our welcome call from Dalton and we so excited. He's like you know. So pumped is like the next sentence was. Honestly your churn is atrocious. It's GonNa kill your whole business and like you guys have to fix that now. was just like one sentence of life. that. It's like the hard truth from here on out yet. But it's like we knew that was true and it was kind of the the emperor has no clothes time for moment and it's just great. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah. Yeah. So it was an awesome experience in. The network after the fact, like you know it's anybody's gone through it. You know. There's always things that can be done better, but I think the core thing that why c does and the thing that they do so well, is it just focus on what they're good at an Kinda like add to it in our constantly experimenting and taking those same types of things and taking that application putting our business as well as the now thousands of companies that have gone through it it's been only beneficial. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Okay. So what kind of companies get the most value from you guys here you're trying to work with and what are you really setting up with these companies? So we work with BB SAS companies. Typically it doesn't really matter the size of their CV can be low, it can be high it works the same way. What matters more is you know the appropriate time of trying to start Harsha. Channel. Early days we found early stage companies would come to us and they would say we wanNA build our channel but if you don't understand the union economics. Your Business. Ready to turn on multiple marketing channels. If you don't understand how to go through it, sell your platform, you're not ready to go through it enable other people to sell your platform, and so the companies that typically work really well, for us, probably on the low end it, you know a million to two million dollars are. and like our sweet spot or are companies that are between one, hundred, hundred people like that were really really well, those mid companies typically at that point is a lot of partners at that are reaching out to them and there's different types of partners reaching out to them. But we've seen it work early we seen at work late at the end of the day, the problems like exist right across everything. I'm right across the spectrum, but it's you know, do you have a real business? Is that business repeatable and until then just point in trying to go through and start par program since partner programs basically, they're just opening up and saying we'll give you a percentage generally of all the sales we make if you go and promote through our own funnels and all that kind of thing is that essentially how it works for all your customers. Yeah. So part of progress can work in three ways. There's the marketing partners there's a referral partner, and then there's a reseller. Each of those partner types have traditionally been like. Into multiple groups at we define partner Channel S. channel as as a whole as those three main drivers, and that's exactly what it is like. If you're opening a channel, your effectively putting a sign on your business that says, we're open to doing business with. Third. Party? Members. And you have to work with those third parties to do everything you can to enable though. So if it's a reseller, they'd probably want sales and marketing documentation I. It's an affiliate they'd probably want like banners and rules commissions. So, whatever you can do the same way as you go through in support a sales marketing team number, and like the process of on boarding them to be successful what you WanNa do with your partners as well. Interesting. So I got my start about five years ago, the Internet Marketing Space, and in the marketing space, there is kind of this CD underbelly that is affiliate marketing and it's been kind of get on. There usually you know working from home trying to start the business the first time that I don't have a product. I'M GONNA go like jv Zoo and I'm GonNa Sling some of these products knowing anything about and it's just like not the most attractive or transparent world and I think you guys have kind of come in to that space and curious how much you feel like you're part of that space offered a really great product. And a really great company and you're not like attached into that world in my mind. So I'm curious like how have you guys navigated that and do you because that's been your experience or is that just my experience of working in marketing before the Sas Oh? Yeah. No. Like affiliate marketing like like all that stuff is where the industry's been for a long time. Right phillies really like the lowest rung of partnerships and why is I. It just has. You know I think that there's a lot of negative connotations with it like it works for products that you know. You wouldn't talk around the dinner table about with your parents. And and that's where I think that that's why it's got such a bad rap. But at the end of the day, like affiliate marketing is actually a tremendous growth tool for a lot of bb SAS companies. And more and more where I mean there's A. Total number solutions that are out of the market and your sales reps your team's GonNa go through the truth but you actually want to be able to turn to whether it's you know like somebody on Youtube or somebody that could run advertisements on the row you Wanna be able to earn to Bam and let them speak that story when you're ready our view on it is we don't enable affiliates we enable distribution channels. and. So a distribution channels very different than somebody that's just running ads for you or someone bats. Doing like Youtube views. Distribution Channel is a cost effective way to go through our customers. And technology companies have traditionally been very bad at distribution. The reason being is it's very easy to go direct to consumer. You know it's easy. Go target early adopters but the reality is the majority of the market actually sits in those late adopters late majority and those are generally people that you can't reach or cost prohibitive excuse me cost prohibitive to reach so you're better to go through a third party. To go through and reach them. What's been a big success that you guys had a company? That's easy. You guys like what does a really great partner program look like how well can it work? What kind of numbers in our company Seen District people that are out there that are thinking maybe we should start to tack this on our business. So I'll give you two examples one at an early stage and then one at a late stage I won't use the specific company name, but I'll tell you how many people are inside of it. So there's an early stage company at when they came to us they were five people and the fifth person had just joined and was working part time and I WANNA make a big bet on on on on the. Partner Channel, and they're a CV, is about one hundred, twenty dollars a year. So not not huge. But that's about what they're a CVS. He came on board and we're actually responsible for driving. Now eighty percent of those are totally bootstrap company they're doing. You know well over two dollars ar at this point in time, and we're the ones that drove eighty percent of backgrounds and it was all because that person that came on. Early days with the. And is now their marketing He took a bet on an insult opportunity there and it seems. Seems like bootstrap company would find this model really attractive a lot of the companies I know those are doing really well, they're using this because they it's a little bit better for cash because you don't have to pay out the money typically until after the sales already been made, you know thirty or sixty days or whatever is that something you guys see is that it tends to be more bootstrap companies didn't really excited about this early on. Early it's bootstrapped companies because they don't have the cash. They don't have the cash to go through it in by ads like they're not going through and doing Matt's like more and more readily seeing later stage companies and so you know like the average SAS company thirty percent of the revenue should be done through channels. and. So if you're not, if you don't have a channel program, you don't have a cocker program today you're just giving up on potentially thirty percent of your revenue. And it will be impacted some time. You can look at big companies like hub spot forty percent of their new revenue comes through channel. Shop is closer to thirty percent at this point in time and ultimately the thing that let's go through the scale out. So we worked with early stage companies of four people that still twelve, and now we're working with companies as big as into it. With the reason being that this is an incredibly hard beast to go through in handle, and so now we have customers coming to us that have overpaid their channel partners and that have massive holes in their programs. And you know at the end of the day, we just give a framework where we could turn channel and turn partnerships into a science Today it operates very much like an art interesting and what percentage do you see loest good sas companies giving up to their partners in order to make the sales? Yes. On the low end a twenty percent on the high end. People. Go upwards of forty percent at those are typically for resellers unload not only the acquisition costs with the poor costs tied to it. So we have like enterprise customers on our platform and the LTV of their customers that they bring on boards that come through our channel partners is two hundred, fifty percent greater than bTV. Of they actually onward, and it's because the channel partner is their hand holding doing all the training and is there to support the cow and. Yes. Oh you know we see upwards of forty percent and as as low as twenty anything that's under twenty. Chaba, whether you're actually GONNA be able to recruit the right people. You certainly have to incentivize people the right way. But yeah, that's what we're seeing right now and I launched proof two years ago we started at forty percent referral fee because we wanted to go kind of the market quickly and we were trapped at the time but we were like you know what? It's worth it worth more to us right now a lot of quick traction as part of what got us into why see was like we had a lot of tracks early on and systematic we scaled back I. Think we're at thirty percent. It. Back thirty percent, and then for agencies we do a fifteen fifteen split can pass on fifteen percent to their climbed get fifteen percent themselves and their percent think feels really good to US feels right at the stage where. Yeah Yeah It's if you try to undercut, you're not gonNA bring on the really good partners at the end of the day. Parties is a unique thing. You're not actually selling. The big mistake that we see companies go through to do is you're not actually companies are most companies are really selling the product, right? But in a partner program, you're actually selling a partnership and so like what is the upside for the partner in working alongside of you? Right. You can't just say like, well, you have the luxury of doing that there should be like a monetary upside and the should also be a solid working relationship. In technology is really important about it up until now. You just hasn't been enough to go through support that I mean you wouldn't go through and onboard a member of your team and not bring them onto slack or give them email. I'm how can you possibly expect your partner to be successful? You're not going to support them the way that is required. Seems like to with affiliates like it's the eighty twenty principle but it's like ninety nine you know one where like All. Of the revenues and all of the sales come just from a few affiliate that we've said we were talking about a guy named Irwin has in one of our biggest biggest affiliate for a long time we found talking with you guys that like this guy's an affiliate for like a ton of companies and it's like they kind of like this guy, this is what he does like really really good at it. Have you seen that across all the accounts that it is super long tail of people that have referred one person maybe two people and there's a few of the top that. You all the sales and is that kind of the model that people should be going after? So partnerships isn't even eighty twenty rule. It's actually in ninety tenths. and. So mistake people often make is they always go out and they say like to recruit this like one super affiliate or we're GONNA recruit this massive agency or get this partnership with this financial institution, and that's GonNa cure all like there's no silver bullet in partnerships, you have to create a framework and then dump the chips in and support the people that are engaged and and that's why you need technology for to happen because really never before have you been able to do that accordingly. So we see that right across programs interestingly, if you start trading a lot of content and that content its. Agency partners, the level of engagement could actually be quite high. But on the agency partners, the trick there isn't again to sell your product or to sell the commission, but it's to be talking about their business hubs spot in great job at this, I always point to them as like. To go through in just go and look at what they do as far as content goes, and if you copy that take a framework, you should be able to provide a really great agents era bill. Really, Great Agency program interesting what investors think about the revenue stream that is like a partner revenue stream do they think it's better? They discount sale that's not as good as now some other type of revenue stream one of the things. Yes. So I, mean. Investors think of it is and the way we pitch it is like sales was an art and Ben, it was a science right like. Changed the game they're excels. Operations wasn't even a staying until salesforce came along. It was always you know vp came in they either playbook implemented the playbook. Same thing happened with marketing with like Google ad words as well as with marketing automation solutions like up Slot Marquette Oh. Piece. Beds just recently happened is with Customer Success Zenda ask Intercom it got thrown in intake in but was an. Internet into this ice, and so investors look at this and what we talked to them were like, are you not having a conversation about where thirty percent of its revenue should happen like the last time you ignored thirty percent of the revenue in a boardroom, and so the way the investors are looking at it now is they recognized that with the increasing number of solutions that are in the market. There's GonNa be partnerships is incredibly important of what their. Challenges Investors don't know how to fix it, and so there's always some like whore soul that's pointed to that's doing a really good job in their in their area of expertise whether it's in sales or marketing and somebody the executive group says like taps on the shoulder and says, Hey, we're gonna give this really great opportunity you run partnerships and like it's just you and you have no resources. So it's actually our responsibility and I think we need to do a better job at it's beyond us to educate that individual to have that level conversation and how to push the conversation to the rest of the executives team. I think it is challenging. It's challenging concept even internally and you know we've been doing running. Perfect. Can have always had partner program and we've kind of ebbed and flowed like how much relief effort we put into it and. Myself I've been skeptical of the amount of value that we get out of our partner program. You know doing a ton things you know kind of set up the big webinars we'll do the webinar everyone promote for it. We'll krill these assets and you know we get some meaningful revenue out of it, but for us not nearly as much as we for the effort as we would. Get from facebook ad or add words something like right now but I feel like there's so much education. We just don't really know we're doing you know there's not a lot of information about how to really do this well, and I can see how once you can get a company to like realize that and recognize that and then train them up on that that could become. A main channel for them when some of the other channels probably start to get less effective and less efficient. I always point to shop a by the if I started investing in their program in two, thousand, ten eleven and. I talked to people that started running it there for soft and they said twelve months of bitter art program had eight active channel earners. Right, like that's nothing like anybody looking at that on paper is going to say like Canada like not worth it. Absolutely, not worth it. They doubled down on it and I mean the first conference shop ever ran was their partner conference and you know in their perspective when public harder in channel was the main driver of what's in there because you know chef is actually built not only shop apply in all their ECOMMERCE. Stores, which bill businesses that services e commerce stores, and so what do you think more broadly but with the opportunity is and the Roi that provides a partnerships channel is something that you need to do is just not going to show you that immediate return facebook or building at a sale. The reality is long term. It's going to be the better solutions seems that there's more of a moat around that channel as well. There's a real relationship there there's affinity there's brand relationship and facebook ads obviously don't have any sort of attachment to me and my company and they just want the dollar and we'll sit back whenever they can. But you build up the slight community of partners night. That's GonNa keep going not going to switch to another company near easily soon, that will have a lot more staying power. Yeah. There are shopping five partners that have fight tattoos. This probably more shop with life partners that have shopped the flight tattoos in the shop apply employees that have shop applied tattoos way into like that's the type of fanaticism you can kind of tap into if you make the right investment, is that a lot of people built their entire business around that like they've built the life of their dreams because they're just reselling shot the fire hubs spot or whatever it's totally transformed their life when Most people don't get that after opportunity. Yeah I think more software companies can do that if they serve up the content of the right way, right like it's a bad having a conversation it's not about equipping to through your platform. It's it's just opening your employee base without having to carry the overhead of salaries but you still have to give them. More support than you probably originally set. Okay. So so you guys recently made a name change as far as I am aware you were gro sumo when you switch to partner stack, what's the story behind that and how has that gone? So at our last company, we were called at first unite in eventually pod. It was unite with the why and we want to go to office hours when Y C came to Waterloo and We sat down with SAM and SAM's only feedback. Unite is awful name like unite with a why is is awful and we spent like I don't know like four or five months trying to repurpose fine like which named made sense there So the only rule for we made the pivot overdue. Grow Sumo. We were only going to spend five minutes on selecting day and so we wrote a whole bunch of names up on the blackboard onto the whiteboard rather we went through it and looked. At. What was the most affordable domain was in grow sumo was twelve dollars. So that is how we selected grow. That's what we went through work done with I. Think it's the right way to do it I mean, do you regret that looking back I? Think that was the way to go. That was absolutely the way to go like there's so many things that matter in your business name at some point in time matters for your brand. But again, like what matters if I is like finding product market fit and that's so hard. Who cares what your name is if you don't have product market set yeah So when we when we hit product markets data could see approaching product market set. We went on this longer search to go through and find a domain anybody that's done any type of domain searches know that you know six figure domains pretty common practice these days So we found partner stack because we think part ultimately partnerships are part of the technology stack instead of technology companies and it just made sense. And truth be told like domain was actually pretty affordable. So that certainly had a at a at an impact and how has it been like rebranding has been a big pain sounds a lot of confusion just what is it like because i? Think I think a lot of people probably thinking, Hey, it'd be nice versus which are name at some point, but it also seems like a huge headache. Have you found that to be true yard team did a really good job in the truth is. We don't do much as far as marketing because our partner channel drives so much revenue for us. We just tried to our partners so that to happen, we just equipped them with the right assets and then they just change everything. It was actually easier than we thought. We had a you know how people have like swear jar we had a a gross sumo jar that if you said grow suits partner stack. Yet you through to put some money in the jar. That was probably the hardest part of the whole thing is you know in pitches ordered customer calls with jumping, talking about grow sumo when it was really partner stack and that's the only thing that caused confusion but to be honest, it was a lot easier. And so I'm really happy we did it and it's been really well received from our new customers in our existing customer. It's better than so yeah, I like it the you change like right now all your APP and everything is still on grows up dot grow sumo I. Think it is. Are you planning light changing that or did you dislike doesn't really matter figure that out later that's something that I think we're going to go through to try to tackle a bit in two, thousand, twenty There's some reasons why we can't necessarily do that right now like from a from a tax standpoint but at the end of the day, like it doesn't really matter too much we don't get a lot of people going through it and even like one of those, maybe half dozen people that would ever go through notice a and so. You know at the end of the day, like we are like our brand is what grant is our marketing pages what our marketing pages in at work time you get inside the APP probably you you already get your soul I had early care. Yet. No. Exactly. Okay. Very cool. I WanNa talk about your guys growth. You've been doing this for four years but then at the beginning you've shared these like crazy numbers from the last year. It seems like something has clicked something has changed very recently that is just causing big growth like what does that growth journey been like? Yes. So it was so hard at the beginning like it was so hard I mean I remember Y C. Is We went in as effectively no product. We're talking about the total number partners that are on our platform and I remember one of the conversations was while we zero or we have nineteen partners on our platform and. We sat in in office hours we walked through all wheel nineteen partners and what am I co founders Johnny stepped up and they said like, what do you do for in two weeks from now and Johnson you need five hundred partners on our network my co founders said like one five thousand. And then Kevin Hill said, yeah. Why not? Five thousand? We came to back two weeks. Later we came back and We had seventy nine partners on our platform, and we were just like palm and I. Think I, remember the look cabin space was like, aw man you guys are GonNa make. Sure like that was the question of the and we felt like super excited about it so. We actually had great growth right before Demo Day. From a revenue standpoint. But from companies coming in signing up, we launched on product on and as an enterprise software company were voted the third product out of the day which did watch on product. So I highly suggest for early stage. Comfy said, do it no matter how it goes? And then we went back to really you know. We we pitched on day our poplar. Really didn't work like it kind of felt like vaporware because it Kinda was and I feel like everybody. It's like some state of that was two, thousand, fifteen You know like pretty much everybody that came through signed up is now at the door and probably onto what what they did next. So we spent two thousand sixteen really being deliberate in building products our biggest mistake was growing. Putting too much of an emphasis on growth. Four, we had product market set right? Like we didn't need to launch on product. When we went launch on product time, we had really great companies we're working with and I think the rainforest tells a very similar story what I've got thrown in heard i. wish we just stuck to those customers longer instead of giving into pressure to grow at all costs I was just thinking our team recently and have the exact same thought is that you know why? Why See I? Mean one of the best things they do is tell you. Ten percent week over week. But then we kept doing that and all the sudden we just hit this like. This wall we're like we're trying to grow faster technology is just not ready like started turning out and it was just like we're spending all this time like fixing stuff and trying to scale and like couldn't go deep those first people that we had on that like cared so much about it and I've got the I have the exact same feedback that sometimes it growth at all costs can can actually Kinda kill you or at least slow you down vitamin. Like growth cures everything until it doesn't. Lantana breaks everything until bag. Yeah. Yes. So mean are are turning point was we went back and did heavy heavy work we went to some of our investors might be with them every bonds and they say like, okay, like what's the update and for a while like the update was like we're going to the dentist like no one wants to go to the dentist, but everyone has to and. That was the same update I think for like three months in a row. Like we're going to the dentist for doing the hard things were making the hard decisions from a product standpoint to get point where we have product market set. So we came out in two thousand seventeen, and that's when we really started to commercialize the product wasn't probably until the mid two, thousand, seventeen early late two, thousand, seventeen was when we found not only product market fit but excels market fit we know who to go through and target. What the buying process was like materials that they required shell. Internally. And that was really something that changed everything. We'd never done. Much of anything on marketing spans be invest in our sales team and we invested in our partner channel and that's driven everything, and then the referrals that we go through in grow get from it has I've been incredibly valuable. So it's very much. So you know product market fit and then like sales market set at some point in time, we have to work more on the marketing a product. But our partner channel works so well for us right now that like that's Kinda That's are bits been our crutch and do you feel like you have hit product market fit now? Yeah. Yeah. It feels. Feels very real and I think that the. I I think you hit product you hit product market fit. All of a sudden you start having all these really good problems to have. And they feel like the way the world is on your shoulders but like objectively like really good problems to have and so. I think that that's how I would describe. If we know that you have product market set, it's like, Oh, this really great company wants to work with us and we're doing all this new stuff for them but they're gonNA pass ten times more than anybody else evade us like. Huge problem to have also amazing problem to have. Yeah. We had software like or analytics down it didn't work. It stopped working what happened Oh we dove into it is because one of the companies that started using US like ten axed Channel revenue in a day. and. We're like we're not expecting that whatsoever and we're like oh man I I. Guess this works like I will go back and fix those analytics after the fact. So. Those are good problems to have wait a moment like that recently when. Are Logging wasn't working because I was overloaded obviously, you should have a good log in process in your APP, but we kind of back and looked at it because we saw traffic this huge spike in O- Oprah started using it yesterday and like ran this huge launch on it, and like you know more traffic than the rest of our customers combined or something like that like that's a problem. Yeah Yeah and I think that that's a hard perspective to keep in mind. We always try to put like heart problems like good problems to have in in context. So it's like, Hey, last year this time we close like this type of revenue and like this fear in this same period time we close like five x what we did last year. And everyone might be feeling the heat from that. But like this is a really good problem to have we've been really good at being able to keep the employees around that join our team like we don't really have much of A. The people that come and stay with US generally stay for very long periods of time and they're able to provide that context and and we actually let them speak to the rest of the team as like. What two, thousand, sixteen, when they're six people in this office this is what it looked like and I've been part of effectively four to for companies still at the same values with forty four companies under last and I think that's been pretty valuable to. The mistakes that you've made along the way there've been any at one two or three that really stood out as a can that was somewhere that we messed up. Yeah. Jeez. I mean. I mean I is like we put too much of Anton Growth. We lost like. I, mean we had at the time. Were there a bigger customer for US based around like their recently acquired by the desk we the moments, a customer and? Their team said, we will walk you through exactly what needs to be bill in order to support our channel program. We learned over time like Bay stuck with us for two months they try to make it work and it just didn't work out. We learn over time that base ended up driving more than fifty percent of their revenue through channel partners. And huge mistake to ignore that in favor of routes like. The result of that probably put US six months behind realistically. I mean, there was fundraising mistakes that we went through. Back on that, would you have just built what they wanted you to build and said, we're going to really put focus on this one customer here. Yeah that's exactly we would have done actually sample gave that advice fine five customers make them happy and you'll build an enormous company and I feel like we did that we started to do that in two thousand and sixteen, and we started like twelve months to light. And it's just because we gave into the pressure from VC's and everybody around us saying row at all costs. There are some businesses that you should grow all costs whatsoever and like often it's enterprise software. You should be very deliberate in the way that you go to market and you should go to market sooner. But. You can sell to people in work those relationships. and. Learn how to upgrade the accounts rather than just trying to like bring on new customers like. Dance with the person went to the dance with don't just try to bring someone new. So give me to here when we first launched proof have we kind of just went really big, really fast or really talking to our customers just like get more get more, get more get more or now launching years in a new product on experiences allows companies to basically personalized maybe fast can be a personalized their marketing funnel and this time we're flipping it. We're. Going really really slow or working with two people right now for the last couple of months, we're going to bring on two more here this week and going really slow and my hypothesis is this is GonNa work way better at school to hear you say that kind of reaffirms that decision here early on because it feels so different than the way we we launched initially. Yeah. That's like I think it's a hard lesson to go through and. because growth feels good like the nice graph up into the right feels good. It's an easy easy measuring stick but you know if I was to do it again like that would be the advice that I would provide myself five years ago actually growth only matters when you're ready to grow, and before that, it could just kill you and so ignore the noise and just like heads down and get to work. So. So that was definitely one area that we went to struggled with. The other mistake that we made was we needed to invest in our sales and marketing stack earlier like the tech stack that went through support that. We were really unsophisticated with that. We tried to go for the cheapest. We tried to go for the cheapest solution all the time and what we learned was we would go through and make the purchase on it. We never get it implemented and it would always work like sort of not all the way and we started to realize the breakdown when we started to bring more people under the team when it wasn't just founders when bringing on eight ABC's SDR's marketers. would. You need to invest in your marketing and sales stack more than anything? So we eventually brought on a sales operations person before hiring a sales manager and it was easily the best decision that we've made in our company totally change our trajectory and one that person do just finger out all the flow, all the integration. How does this whole process work from a tech level? Yes, we actually of I tried to do it through consultant and like don't work salesforce consultants. was like ultimately the the takeaway that we went in had So he he figured out, you know what was going to add still have somebody dedicated to this that goes through and revisits everything about once every six months. Makes Tweaks but then like truly like redes-, the entire sales flow and sales funnel and how steps passed off So the first thing that Sean came through an did was he cut I think like six platforms that we were going through using match their names, but they were cheap platforms and he said like listen if we're going to be serious here, vertebrate company that can it's up when it's time do off a million dollars they are the sooner that we transitioned over to. Something, like salesforce like a professional, like as soon as we can do that the better and isn't and is it truly something like salesforce or is it actually sales source that yet salesforce this ad serving get onto salesforce center will be here? Yeah, and and the reason being is like there's so many wraps that are trained on just how to use salesforce I know that there are other people that play in the market and it can work but I wish we'd done that earlier. I really really do. And I'm really happy that we did I. also wish that you know we were just if we if we wanted to dedicate time towards something like whether it's a building product or like launching a marketing channel or scaling at the sales team a certain way. I wish we would have just invested all I wish we would have gone all in on it right? Like you don't know if something's going to work unless you truly go all in on in, it's not enough to just hire someone to go in and do it right like you have to actually give them all the resources required for them to do their job. And we see that all the time in partnerships, right like people like dipped. They're telling the water and they like realized like Oh, my whole body is not warm. It's like, yeah let's you're you're you're telling the water like you have to go all in on this. If you think that this is something that's GonNa work it probably will it matter when and so? I would have made fewer investments gone more all with those of US investments. You feel like going all in a lot of time looks like you as the CEO been really interested in really involved in something instead of just being kind of handed off to somebody else in but you're not really thinking about it or like keeping up to date on it. Yet. One hundred percent. Absolutely like If I go all in on it like it has to be a priority of mine I have to be. At least at the very least involved in the project. Probably, at least thirty days and then do the handoff in and hold people accountable to that for at least a quarter and then have them go through and change whatever the reporting structure is. You know. That kind of leads into the next thing is like I had way too many opinions as a CEO and. I think that after you hit fifteen to twenty people, those opinions that you have. They actually hurt your business if I say something now and I think that all like. For example like this button should be bigger like we like I think that that's something that we really need to go through to do. Let the that's the thing that's going to go through to get work done, and the reality is our stage for thirty people I know what's happening in the business but the day to day of the day-to-day specifics like I don't know, and so I try to actually not share my opinion as much and try to force by team to share that opinion. So that was a huge lesson and it's a lesson that I. See a lot of our managers having as well now as they go through and build their teams like. have. Fewer opinions and when you have those opinions. The communicate to the team is something that you strongly believe event or is this just an idea and and and differentiate? Something that heard recently from Wade Foster Co Zap year he was a on season one of scale die but he tweeted out I. Think he heard from Dr Mash from hub spot where at the end of his communication he'll put like a Hashtag. Different levels of what he means what he's trying to say he is like a Hashtag F. Y. or Hashtag recommendation or Hashtag like strong recommendation 'cause he was saying. He didn't really care that much about it like, hey, that bud should be bigger F wa Wa for him means. Is the suggestion I don't really care if you do it or not I'm not gonNA follow up on this and you have freedom to do what you want but then it Kinda got extended more and more and that was one of the best things he did a Si Yo and growing because he was having a hard time saying things because. Taking so seriously and I'm with you, I've had to kind of start to like preface things and I say like, Hey, like, I, really don't care if you do this or not like I trust you here's what I would do if our you but yeah, I think that's a huge part of CEO's learning. How do you communicate and like? Yeah share lesson opinions as you grow. Yet it's a, it's a tough thing to go through to do, and then also manages at some point in time. Right when you're a manager managing managers which were kind of getting into the phase of like you know it's it's and it's hard thing to do. It's a very, very, very hard thing to do. Yup So when we wrap up here with what I call the salty six, which is six very salty rapid fire questions just for us to get to know you a little bit better some personal, some business by promises to salty a set of questions you ever had you ready for it. I'm ready it. All right man number one. Outside of building partner channels, what do you do for fun? I like biking cycling I gotTa Blake last year and I mean it's just been awesome. Actually have it in the office and so. I can get a lot of snow and so I know that I'm GonNa go through it in cycle after work at least three times a week. Lunch or can you Siphon Toronto. Probably. Six more than you think it probably depends on how tough you are I'm a little bit softer and so like you know when it's not like sweltering hot outside, you know like I. I find myself to the office. Okay number two, do have a morning routine and if so what is? Yeah, I mean by guilty thing is I check my email as soon as I wake up. Unfortunately at I go then make my coffee. And then just go for walk into the office typically grab breakfast on the way in and I need like five minutes when I get here just to reorient myself so. I'm very guilty at checking my email and I feel like that's not something you want to do. In the way you want to start your day off. The dopamine it feels good it guessing now addictive habit. Okay. Number three. How do you focus during the day when you got something you really gotta get done. I go for a walk even in the snow year in Toronto like I make sure if I have something that, i. need to sit down and get done i. make sure that could go for like a five ten minute walk beforehand and then I'll just quarter myself off right. If I, there's something that really needs to get done like. My status on slack that says like don't bother me and if people walk up and tap me on the shoulder I, totally ignore it It's something that had to learn to go through an do and it's something that you know some of the other people in our team have gone. Ferenza Don. But I think a little bit of physical activity before like sipping down and going arden heavy on something is really important and I also think the same thing to after physical activity is is super superport at number four what a book that has impacted deeply in the last few years. Ooh, what's a book that enacted me deeply I mean like I, I love like. Things it's really well told story as much as anything. Any gross book like absolutely. Incredible. And all of our managers have to go through read, it can be dry at times so like so impactful. But. Does a really good job at telling the story that high output management I'll put management. Yeah. But haven't started yet. Yeah. It's it's we actually start. Our managers do like a like a book club where they'll go through and read a chapter at a time because I didn't quite frankly trust everyone to go through industry the book of the round like. If it mattered and it's a book that we go through inning gives like we'll do a book club around it. What's the best purchase you've made recently under a hundred and fifty bucks. ooh, that's a good one. I bet this like really awesome pumped. as as as weird as it sounds. Yeah it was I. think it was like eighty dollars. More than even new plan on going and spending the whole office uses it. Now, there's a lot cyclist here in the office. and. That's been. That's been great Levin. Okay number six. What's a trait or characteristic that you have that has led to the success that you have today. Probably might capacity to. Be Perseverance. I think that. Dot is what matters most in this there's an element of getting lucky. But the end of the day you just have to kind of withstand really hard things. And not lose focus. So perseverance I because I'm focused and not perseverance like never gets the end of what I need to. Work on, but I can persevere pretty much through everything in anything and that's what kind of learned. Really to build a business is a lot harder to build a business in have a successful personal life. And You know. Like it's like I, I think that everybody kind of knows that it's just not something that's talked about too often yup I remember that I see there's Michael. Flammable Talkin he said the only way your business dies is stop working on it like by definition if you wake up and you start working on it that day your business is still alive and so Can you just hunker down and persevere long winter through the dips and actually keep working on it until you get a chance to tell you that lucky spot you know because I do agree I think there is some luck. Do think there is some things hit that you couldn't have predicted but can you stay around long enough to actually read some of those awards? Yet I totally totally agree we'll brand. This has been awesome man how much for coming on this has been really great conversation good to finally meet the man behind one of our new favorite software tools as well. Here let's meet our customers and it's been great talking with you. Thanks for having me on I really appreciate it. Yeah. You people want to find out more about you. Do you tweet Nadu stuff a medium or can they look up? Just email me. Apart or stock dot com I got rid of my social media. So I can focus on the business APP to twitter off my own just email me feel free to reach out anybody anytime. If I can't help you, I can put you in touch with someone that can. And so just just reach out, and if you want to check out, you know our company dot com best go through find sweet especially on Brennan Awesome and estimates for watching. 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Qualities of an Amazon FBA Business for Selling with Dave Storey

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21:37 min | 11 months ago

Qualities of an Amazon FBA Business for Selling with Dave Storey

"Welcome to the tank AAC collective my friends now look if your listening for hacks and short term tactics afraid, you are in the wrong place. Let me? Tell. You. About the ten K. collective mastermind. First of all his members meet in person, they know each other. Well, they all make over half a million dollars a year several, make several millennia many have doubled their revenue of the last eighteen months. If you're that kind of person, then this podcast is made for you. Today's episode is sponsored by the new ECOMMERCE podcast, the e commerce leader. The podcast is hosted by yours truly and Jason Miles? multi-million dollar shop owner, and Younis highest rated economists instructor. You're the owner of a thriving online business. Anyone's become the best ecommerce leader. You can be, it's got your name it for free guides, many courses on many topics. Go to www dot, the ECOMMERCE leader Dot Com. Welcome to the show. Today, we are going to continue to talk with Dave story who is not only a very meticulous process oriented guy, but has built and sold his own Amazon business, and then applied his process thinking to the process of building a business to sell which I think is really important to cover. We cover this topic from several different angles from different brokers. Before this time, I think is a different take because Davis actually being a business owner himself. Himself in the space, which is a bit of a different take on things and today we're going discuss specifically, what's buyers are looking for? So if you're gonNA, Treat Your Business as a sellable asset, particularly important to think of it in those terms and to reverse engineer from what the buyers want would of business buyer is looking for, and also out of all the possible universe things, you could do to move the needle on increasing your businesses value which things. Could you do I'm which things can you focus on how to deal with that? We cover that today with Dave Logan stuff, really important. Thinking I think for any serious EPSOM business bill, SA- sticking around listen take notes, and of course, you can always find notes at the blog at half dot com or in this case, it's part of ten K. collective ten K. COLLECTIVE DOT com. Thanks for listening. Let's get into the show. You've told a couple of times about the importance of knowing what Biza looking for. So in your conversations with Bison brokers and your experience as well. What would you say the main things are buys looking for? categorized. The main one is is low risk. So essentially what is looking to do is get that return investments through best thing business. The one that lasts audible if there are risks involved in not then I never sigh than that's GonNa just lower, the amount of the multiplier that they will. Business. The other one is the verify ability aspect. They must be verified that you'll business is making the money that you will saying it's making if you financial accounts are all over the place in different businesses mixed in the cabin, Ymca Documentation writing is not numbered instruction. Than, it's GonNa be very difficult for them verifying. It's going to be big risk, the numbers that they verified correct relevant on last Kinda cast. The biggest one is growth that looking for business, which has got consistent growth and has had consistent growth over at least this twelve month period on. This comes back to the timing when you sell it. If you think that you're GONNA sell it and get rid. Rid of it. When it's stagnated, that's a big big mistake by looking for a business which is growing when they start looking at. When you go into the actual period, this contractual period, this due-diligence could last months until they're going to be looking at these figures month. So you gotTa make sure Your Business is continually growing over those months because if it's not to it stagnates again, back-off funding lower the. Brady, it sounds like it's all about engineering slash I. Suppose it makes to like whole business ready between reading the trends in your market versus engineering from what is under your control situation such that the combination results in an up going trajectory over the months and months really before you even start selling, and then also you very point which is the takes months to sell on gateway. The diligent business during that period, you'll business needs to look attractive as well. So you met very good point. So we talked a lot about the timing and the. The things you need to look for some classic errors. Really helpful. So tell me about what things we need to work on. Then you said, we need to work from the beginning or is it is possible to make the business more valuable. So are the main elements that will make the business more valuable. Guess. We'll just touched on at this time in order to accurately workout when your business is optimally growing at a certain rate is going to continue to grow. You got to give yourself at least six months after that point for continuous growth. It doesn't happen to say business, which is in decline or stagnate. You need financial tool on this is bill in the course of bill special bespoke financial planning to forecast the business very accurately for at least twenty four months, you can forecast exactly what's going to happen on early products. You can work out looking back from your selling price target. You can look at how long it's GonNa take how many. Need when you need products based upon the restrictions flow. So the software tool is got a very accurate cash flow analyzer, which he can work out over the twenty four month period. So you can effectively Rooney business with a positive cash flow dropping below a fifty mount, optimize the growth of an optimized, the value of it over this critical of Shula. Shula based on your analysis in your forecast that Yoga be selling in a period of optimum growth mobile continue to grow I. Thought is the most important thing that you can do any business. You WanNA maximize the volume. So you already saying that your cash flow protection tool, which by the way, I think he's really such a commonality between all the really serious as. As successful business owners, I know in the amas basin and beyond as this awareness cash flowing projection, the your toll is going to really just help you just find choon that timing more than anything else interesting. Once you start us this to, you'd be amazed at the effects of things like show elite timezone, your deliveries from supplies, defective knocking dollar off it may. May seem just a little bit when you extend the over two years, it has a huge difference on business value. This tool allows you to understand a lot any business in build your financial planning strategy behind hitting a certain targets or whatever, that may be whatever you want to sell the business for one of the time maybe and the other thing that strikes me. To effects on very every day said of tactical level stuff like when you negotiating with supplies, for example, they're going to be two effects. One is it. You'RE GONNA, make more businesslike decisions because you can be willing to walk away from things that really you're not just thinking. Well, it's only a dollar. Let's get it out there. KIEF. WAS COMING UP. You're going to be thinking. Okay. So now, but that's going to actually add up unit saved might actually be a huge difference in your financial picture three years down the line. So that's the first thing change. You think, but the second always starts me and I think this is true. True for areas is diverse acting and I used to work with a lot of actors, singers, and also negotiation in any situation trying to influence somebody having a really clear plan on mental focus. Isn't something that we can put the finger on knowing because they don't know your inside plan when you're talking. But the fact you have a plan and focus was communicates some level an I. Don't even know why it's a psychological mystery, but it's true if you have a plan on a focused and you know your numbers, the person on the other side of the table picks up on especially the Chinese super sharp and they know that number. And that you get a better negotiation, just be my spray somebody not done if that's being expressed as well. That is very true. This negotiation with the supplier, certainly, the initial when choosing the supplies absolutely critical, you getting the lowest price to you securing the best level of quality. You got to go about it in a certain way, and you're right. They do the two pickup if you not professional if you haven't got a plan behind it, so it's very important to not only betray those than Trying. To portray having a plan but not having one I, think is worse than having a plan and be cool about it. Because if you've got a plan and you act according to plan, D. do will communicate that. Anyway, I've done the need to sweat that in negotiation, you can simply tell. Mike. Lines. This and the truth is a great negotiation. Till you can say, right, we all willing to pay up to one quarter of the selling price for our landed cost. ORLANDO. Causes. Freight's GonNa can about this. You can see on Amazon yourself roughly how much see sell full therefore, the maximum we're GONNA. Pay. You is five dollars a unit or whatever it is, and if you'll very very clear in your own mind, you can just tell them the truth and actually then sometimes you just will walk away from the deal because for both size, it doesn't make sense but says wasted time while on this kind of used car salesman thing. Just thinking about the next sales like they say six, you say for you end up on five. Well, if the numbers five doesn't make sense, you shouldn't say, yes to it, and what's the difference? Right? I mean, we go into negotiation theory, but I, think, somehow it works. So what what are the main things then apart from financial planning timing? Obviously, really critical, what are the other main elements that you should be working on to to maximize the value of Your Business? I. Guess You have to fully understand all of the factors which affect your business volume. So the multiply that will be used to suddenly get derived business volume. As a lot of them. There's a lot of things can affect you unless you know them by sending. You don't know what you don't know. So you have to understand exactly what they are. And the other thing to consider it as each is different, some things may be important, some Amazon businesses, but less important You may be doing quite well with this thing, but another business might be really Purana So you need to understand what these things are than workout, which ones that you can build in your plan that you can have the least amount of effort which will produce you the most amount results, and they're the ones that you need to work on is if you're working on the other things which a lot of effort but don't produce. Produce you much results than than. That's GonNa really get you anywhere, but you also have to understand that you can't do better than I cannot on all these things at once. So you can consider getting the mole before business you have to leave by with some low hanging fruit. They may have skills that you don't have in marketing in DC identity may have different skills, different connections and they'll pick up on this. So they need to see some of these things left out for them that they can pick open dry VR wide through business. Crave. Very interesting. All right. So that brings me a couple of obvious questions, but there are a lot of factors that can affect business value and we don't overwhelm the listener anymore than the person trying to build the business. But what are the main factors apart from we've talked about timing and cash flow planning? What are the other main factors that you should at least consider looking into? Mentioned growth, which is the big one amid that multiply. But the multiplies, it's a bit of a block caught. Can Be made up of so many different factors, and that's what I was talking about what you really have to understand. and. What about the identifying the elements of these multiple possibilities? What would you say the main set of processes you talked about the low hanging thing to least effort for Max results, which makes total sense to me obsolete. The how do we begin to identify those things? I've got a method in the training corps so? Essentially us what scullery doc, Johnson identifiable, all these factors all on a sip electron with leggings dot bold style ring. The inner rings of Started Wall in the outer rings. Tens of in really. Well on, let's say conversion rates business fantastic conversion, rink annuity score ten. So he know straight away, that's not concentrate all. But if you'll very bag and you've got a walnut that the organization if he business researched on, you haven't done any processes young, any system is. On. Then that's going to get into a one or if you don't have any financial method, any financial planning in place Also. Once centrally analyze all the factors which are applicable business in work out the ones from this method, teach really the ones that you need to be working on a new business that make sense in bulletin sing is in between step the say, okay. What are the main elements get up? Where are you at now and then you pick your fights. So one on financial planning, presumably, you're not gonna into be attended the end but needs to be. Be, like good enough I team, and then he had to onto somebody, he's a Whiz it at financial planning Michael. This all comes down to focus on what matters deciding, what not to do is important as deciding what to do and this if you've got methods and tools to work out on what not to do what to do, and you can focus on those things you need to do in. That's way you get the maximum gain in your. Your business new drive volume I. Remember the last time you come in the puck Kassem, the clip used at the beginning. was you talk about the absolute importance of focus in? If you haven't had a chance to listen to commend that because there was a big segment that we would spot, which I thought was really useful which I know you cover in your training as well. So the the other thing is, then how do you once you've? You've identified what the possible let are, what you where you're at on the scam ten, what you're going gonNA focus on and what I like is way way you're not gonNA focus on, which is I guess where we can breathe a sigh of relief for like it's not all added work. So you don't do I'm glad to hear that. So how do we? How do we actually make actually happen in real life once we've got that theoretical understanding? This is absolutely key. So you've got all these things. Do. Now, now you've you've worked out from the factors that you need to. Influence them apply and the valley business. You know what you need, any supply chain business organization, what you need to do for me financial plan, which is a big long Tesla's how do you get it to actually happen unless awry, bringing mind twenty years experience in project management. On the course I train out a essentially a method of planning, which is a simplistic version. I don't WanNa bulk people down with complicated tools and processes. That's the not wear would weren't coming from. It's a simple way a really getting a hold of all these tasks and making sure that they actually haven't building the main to a proper professional plan in by. By. The way it should be having plumbing. You not having won a planning meeting every week in your business without fail every Monday Tuesday morning, whatever needs to be has to be right. But let's vote on the planet wary at that. With the plan. What we need to do just only behind do things are we getting on? That's the essence of planning. It's not just having a plan. You've actually got work the plan on regular basis because you're not planning unless you actually regularly working the plan and not swap teach. Oh, by the way I think for a lot of people would absolutely include myself politically aware more successful. And rich onto myself that I think pretty much most people who start businesses have that streak of independence, which you obviously have as well and wanting to teach creative creative type. Often. Not really go very well with the planning way of thinking. So I think it said skillset and even a mindset. The pretty much most people know who small business at some point have to get a lot better out so. It's not sexy. Is like saying, here's the latest Little Rock, use this thing and get magically more traffic, and then seal the number on your dashboard of the sales. This is grind, right. But this is what actually makes him the money I'm glad. You, winning to dig into this deep because of show planning makes you the expert of this off the tell you that all migrants achievements, ermine, entire career come from data planning, working the plan. Jeff I. Understand. Why so many people? Don't follow a plan obscene many reasons why the old drop upon preps? The main one is because things don't run to the plan because. The plan yet. You've gotTa make minor adjustments. You don't change your objectives. He changes strategy how it get back. Once realize that the plan is dynamic. Can you go continually continually just Justin adjusted stale not off the quickest way to get the ago. I could have hired each day to tell me the things I need to hear because. I just think about a couple of protests I've got on the go and it's not Amazon business south searches related of information products, but it that's exactly what I needed to hit doesn't change the objectives change the strategy I. Think he was saying that the quickest way to they, I'm just writing a couple of tweets bulls here. The quickest way to the goal is via the plan. I mean I guess it comes down to having faith in the plan and your ability to work plan by seeing the evidence of the results right and in my. My case maybe on worse than your average Amazon. Selah? But I think there's quite a lot people that I know that we have meetings and somebody called somebody on the other week intake elective mastermind meeting. They said, so look so and so you mentioned this three meetings in a row. I keep basically said, you're going to do it or not I mean he was he wasn't quite as blunt is that, but it was pretty blunt and actually I thought you know what? He's serving that fellow member of the Moss. My really well with this because. Holding each other accountable is one of the main things we can do. I, really think it's so easy to stay a big goal. Old Profess an interest in X. winds winds that or we must do that. Oh. Yeah. I really should do that phrases like that. Right. So I'm really glad to hear that I think the sending a message I need to hip also Radi generally, very, very needed. So you'll skills are highly needed in this area I think is fairly unique. The Amazon seller is putting out about how to build a business to sell as opposed to a business broker. So I knew a webinars well, tell us a bit about the web that people can learn from me. To in the weapon, I'm going to essentially tell you exactly how to maximize the value and celebrate FBI business band critically unhappy. So many people are doing this right now, why not selling your business could cost you millions saw talked about there's an optimum time to sell that. You could be right now. If you don't know, it's now and you leave go another year. What happened to make it happen to you not. That's a lot of money we're talking. Talking about that the losing and then also gonNa tell you exactly why billing business to sell is actually no more work than what you doing right now in a business, it could be an and this is what I found actually less. That's really lovely message to here to say. So if you want to get access to the Webinar folks, you can get amazing FBI dot com for slash build to sell as right bill right byod not built, which is. Confusingly, there's a book by business breakable built to sell, which is very similar, build to sell amazing dot com forward, slash build to sell a now you've got, you've done your beater testing launch of the course which oversees gone done very well from what you say of of the members I. Know that a couple of guys the I know in in the community have interacted with that and find it very helpful as well. So you've got your new course coming up, what is it the end of July? That's GONNA under July. Stay really excited about it is it's my turn to give something back the people in Amazon community. Absolutely. Naturally of discussing before the show basically is pretty unique I. Mean, there's a lot of courses including I've got a one of my out there on how to build the business in general, but to build it to sell I, think is a different perspective, really like it sending I feel I need to think more deeply about as well. So we valuable thing to have out there. So Davis lots of things we discuss really really interesting insights. What would you say your sort of? Actionable takeaways from today for people to go and think about or even start implementing. I recognized of business can be saleable set in. Amazon, business is definitely not the the market for for some businesses is growing by as understanding of this, otherwise out of transfer, the assets of them. It's only gonNA prove the forecast of it's a sellable. On Selling Your Business is the most valuable thing it can do for you. You have to understand that if you want to generate wealth, that's the way to do it. Living off the cash flow of business is fine. He could be making a good living. But if you really want generate wealth, you need to sell it and the last phone guesses. If you WANNA, get maximum value millions, size business, you must have a plum you. You must have applauded instructed on exactly the things that you need to do to maximize its following. MAZING. That's ready ready, clear set of takeaway Dave. Many many thanks. If you're listening folks dude get along that Webinar, which should be available as of the time of the publication of this podcast. Amazing. FBI. Dot Com for slash bill to sell and suggests remains for me to save Dave many many. Thanks for coming on the show. You might go. It's been great. Thanks for listening to ten K. collective podcast part of the family of amazing FDA. PODCASTS. 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Leo & Randy On Accountability Peernovation-Style

Year of the Peer with Leo Bottary

31:34 min | 10 months ago

Leo & Randy On Accountability Peernovation-Style

"Welcome to appear ovation the podcast with Leo Batori and me Randy Cantrell. Building on our previous shows, the year of the pier and what anyone can do we turn our attention to helping business leaders built a high performing teams. Talk with a diverse group of bottling who will share stories and insights that will help you and your teams achieved new heights. If you believe there is strength in numbers and that meeting the challenges of the future can only be achieved if we together then join us for the conversation. Welcome back another episode appearing ovation the PODCAST and I'm pack after what seems like a lengthy a lengthy APPs yard assignment? Yeah. It's good to be back. Website is here no Vatian Dot Co he is Leo Batori I'm Randy Cantrell and we welcome the audience I can. We've got a number of I don't know just a hodgepodge of things but the highlights are gonna be the. Forthcoming Book Call Ovation as well as an article that he wrote just recently was published in CEO World About Accountability that I think is worth of a bit of a deeper dive for our audience. No I think it is. It's gotten some really good reaction yet by the way. Obviously at some. Awesome to have you back. That's why I think it's good just to show. So, people can get there randy time that they've been missing lately. But So. Just quickly on the book. A manuscript on submitted line at it's gone and all that we're in the process right now of interior page designs cover design. Cover copy editing me all kind of fun things. Now, that kind of create the whole package you know if you will so. Again working with our Choi Publishing, a division of Simon and Schuster and this love that team there they've been just fabulous so far and I'm sure it will continue. Now all the way through had A. Great, conversation more than marketing people yesterday but now there's a lot of moving parts a lot of things happening that as soon as I do have a date where it'd be available for preorder Amazon obviously, that's going to really be a trigger for you know a lot of things out there and dumb. You Know Amazon reviews is GonNa. Be Like the number one thing I'm going to looking at over the next two three months ago when once that bill becomes available preorder. For people to get a look at it. And You know again, it's a book that Obviously enjoyed writing the other two I think particularly proud of this one. I think there's a lot of that is. That we've all learned together. There's a lot of things you know over the past four years that have kind of culminated into something that not only. Serves to give greater insights for people who are running appeared advisory groups no matter where they are in the world but virtual or in person but also when I, think even more importantly. Things that have come out of all of that research and that I think are hugely beneficial for driving high performing teams. And in post Kobe it's You know the timing couldn't be. Could be better. I think for people who are really trying to pivot and figure this out, which is really in many respects why the accountability article? was written in kind of called up. You know when? When you think about other than having the people right and and obviously we know the pivotal. Importance of psychological safety when it comes to really great teams having a culture of accountability. To one another and or one another. Is has just right up there and show talking about that. Not, in the way we typically think of accountability. but in kind of current ovation style, accountability was kind of fun. Well. Let's contrast those two. That's a good launching point. So there is the stereotypical view of a leader. Imposing I'll use that word imposing accountability on the team or the group verses. Not, at all, how how your article and how I know you personally approach it. Well. Antelope individual members, right it. It kind of makes everybody feel like any time they go to any meeting show anything they're always playing defense. It's always about did you do this? Did you do that? Did you get this done that tone or whatever, and interestingly not so much of it is around out outcome metrics versus output right? We get so focused on. The end result with too often we don't spend the kind of time particularly when we're a team and we have opportunities to work together and collaborate in ways that could make us. More productive that we focus on what does it actually take to achieve those outcomes and how well are we doing those things together? But I have always regarded and I think in most situations you talk to employees in. That's what they will tell. You just goes like that the leaders on one side of the table on the other of the table and I'm just spending things off on implant defense all the time in terms of justifying. All of these kinds of things whatever did happen didn't happen whatever I think. This kind of speaks to a number of things in article and I'm GonNa, just Kinda take them one at a time One of them I guess is rather to think about you holding other people accountable. It's basically thinking of it in terms of I'm accepting personal responsibility for the role that I play on this team and with this company and. I it is up to me to bring my A. Game and I hold myself to that incredibly high standard I expect others to do the same just as they expect out of me, but but it's a different feel to it. It's much more about playing offense senators about playing defense. It's it puts me as the employees you know in real control in terms of taking pride over Maya outputs, my outcomes in my contribution to not only doing my job but helping everyone around me better. And and this is where it kinda pivots to. The leader and and I think this is the importance of being a part of the team up being apart from. oftentimes, when you talk leaders in, you ask them you part of the team or are you separate from the team and they'll oftentimes say, no, that's team there. I lead the team but that's the ten minutes are. You could look at it that way certainly but I, think what we found time and time again. In our research over the years with both groups and what? CEO's. Hot. Performing teams is that the CEO's are part of the team they absolutely consider themselves that I. It's not like like I mentioned about one person on one side of the table and one on the other where the leader up and has this philosophy that right I have one employee that I'm a hold. accountable for this goal because then if they don't get it, I have one throat to choke was literally the quote that I've heard on many occasions by the way. It doesn't exactly make me feel like all right. We're all in this together when alerts right so I think the idea of team feeling like that you are and it for one another there to support one another in for that leader by the way just to be accountable to the team and what I mean is kind of publicly stating to the team here are the expectations for myself in terms of how I want to support you all in the team members. Do the same than everyone's on a level playing field there, and they understand what it takes. To achieve the goal. Of course you know. Being on a team is more than just about. Achieving a particular goal whenever great teams have what you know we found in our research with high performing groups has really strong. Learning achieving cycles. which is how continually get better all the time right. They learned together they do it really well to give each other the courage and encourage one another act on that learning the achieve results even at this trial and error involved there in once they do it inspires more learning more growing in the. Ability the team to get just that much better over time. And again, these are things that we all do you know leader in employees like on the same side of the table as part of the same groups right. We've already chatted a little bit about, of course, measuring outputs as well as outcomes I. think that's a really key But I. Think when we think about accountability as framed much more as about personal responsibility than it is holding other people you know accountable? Like a model, sometimes of the leader and then there's the team underneath him salt these kind of old relationships that create this among the sod on your on that side of feeling. We work with Dave Logan originally initially I should say in writing the power appears and thinking about how triads. Is probably a better model where the leader, the individual team member in the team itself as an entity, each hold equal responsibility for having that culture personal responsibility slash accountability. that's designed really to make everyone better which is the why are doing there they want to produce. A common work product or achieve common goals together and do it. In the very best can't But. You know before I get into kind of the role of the leader on that Randy. How does that strike you as being in some respects different from? What you grew up with in terms of. Leadership or on the employee side of thanks. Leader. You know we're we're. We're very steeped in hierarchical kind of authority figures and I can tell you that for my very first job throughout most of my, you know early career. I the bought the boss, the boss, the boss, this in no way connected to us. Right and I grew up I grew up hearing hearing more bosses say. And if they didn't. Completely articulated this way this was the sentiment. It's my job to catch you doing something wrong. It's my job to point out your your faults and where you where you missed the mark. and IT PROB- it had a big impact on me in that I didn't follow suit with that whole autocracy I hated it and committed myself if I if I ever get the title if I ever get the authority I'm GonNa. So go the opposite direction. Which is, which is, which is what I did and. I think of all the high performing teams that I've ever not been a part of, but the ones that I have. Helped serve. In the last eleven or twelve years as coach. And none of them, none of them are by autocrats. I mean they they are all led by people who I don't know whether it's intuitively or otherwise or learned, but they just seem to be people who who believed that they are part of of the whole and. And not even the major part of the whole, but they have a pivotal role but so does everybody else And Yeah and we're GONNA put links in the show notes to the article because there's some diagrams that. Depict Leo's talking about as opposed to a hierarchy where you know these east try these triads, they just just fit together and they just move the process further along. Hoping that we're getting away from the autocrats that I grew up I'm seeing fewer and fewer of them because so many organizations just won't put up with it. Is just that lone. Wolf who thinks that they're all that and then some the thankfully I'm seeing whether it's in city government or whether it's in. Corporate were business work. I'm just not seeing that pay off. Because you can't do it all by yourself and those people don't seem to be. Capable of getting the most out of a group of individuals they I don't I don't think they're even capable of building effective teams much less leading a team to be high performing. So yeah, I I, love the I love that. I love that that triad model. Well and you know in. Fairness that there's a guy that I talked about in the upcoming book is named his Roy. Now, this was one of the early jobs I had college was supposed to take this job with pulse congress wasn't going to start for leftover. So from April to October I gotta find something right with no money no car some like a great I'll get a job at a car dealership I can make money and they give me a new car to drive as a demo right. So but anyway, it was also as it turned out one of the richest experiences I had from A-. Employees Perspective because I was in an environment where basically the sales manager there if he caught you. In a in in what he felt was fleeting moment have been activity. He literally take a phone book, control it at you and your direct. And say call twenty landscapers you know and you didn't question it you just like, okay. I. Guess. All twenty landscapes, right but that was A. That environment, it was very much. We were all told what we were supposed to do and. And we just had numbers to hit period and that was that and It was yeah. It was a very, very different now as I pointed out in the book, Roydon do that because he's bad guy he didn't do that because I mean or anything like that. That's all he knew that's all he ever really understood about what leadership is all about because it was all about the task hit the number get the task done hit the. Fact that it actually takes people for you to make that possible kind of was kind of a side thing, right? Now. You've got. You know for for some people who eventually say, no, this has to be a better way I don't think I could struggle Barbara out of here now. You know they would eventually although they were four between would find places where you had leaders recognized. At least to a greater extent how important it was to for people to develop in people to be empowered and for. People to see their role. As one where they were following the example of others around really great at their job. So you wanted to show up maybe really great at what you did as well. wasn't about people holding me accountable for that. It was I was in this environment where it's like Whoa. got to bring your a game here. You know because the expectation is that I'm here. For Reason, I'm here to make a difference not just to fulfil role, and so that creates an entirely different feel which is kind of a bit where I was getting to. You know with that the other thing you know they brought up the article two's if you think about. Okay. So what's the leader's role? In the culture of accountability and I think about it of delete or not as an enforcer right because that would put you back in that command and control type of model, right but more the backstop. You know that if you can create a culture where people recognize that their own currency in that organization is based on them, showing up and bringing their very best. every day in that the leader models that behavior by doing the same right now sudden everyone literally on the same team not people across from the table but everyone on the same side. You know working on that. When something does break down if it ever does in terms of a culture accountability, the leader is there to offer reminder I. Think for the fact that old on member how important let's make sure we stay on track and we're here as opposed to You know being the one driving it and. I think it's Really. Essential when we have that type of approach. You know we look at You know the other aspect of this too is that and. The goal right because we think about this count ability thing. Is More Getting better. Every day as opposed to hitting certain numbers. Or trying to win a championship, trying to create a AD campaign trait have rights that those become the reward for a daily effort to just get better single day we walk in the door and we continue to do that. We're GONNA. We're GONNA do that we're going to do it together and Of course you know we talked about this idea of win-lose together. It's not about a throat to choke. You know it's about. Being all and and we celebrate together. We mourn together we. Whatever happens to be, but we'RE GONNA continue to learn from one out of the to grow in. Even if we lost yesterday, we that doesn't mean we're not GonNa win tomorrow and the day after that. but Yeah it's. It's such an interesting thing. I think when you think about Leaders and how we in especially by the way when times get tough. Times of crisis when we reach management by desperation right now, all of a sudden were all about like how do we hit this that and the other thing we forget those important lessons about all be on the same team starts to become every person for himself you know And That is not particularly bright. Speak a bit to the role of a leader as it relates to this topic of accountability. And your thoughts on a leaders impact on helping people better understand and see where they fit. Well. It starts bringing the right people on the team. It's really recognizing who are the people that are going to hold themselves to a high standard that everyone else on this team does in how are they gonNA make a contribution to make a difference I think absolutely starts there You know the whole model, the whole reinforcing loop. Of the fog factor starts with having the right people in the room and I think leader has a huge responsibility in be able to identify who those people are in and what they bring to the table and what the expectations are. I WANNA be really clear on this too just because we talk about the leader in the same side of the table versus the other side of it or. Not. Holding. People Accountable finger-pointing way that doesn't make it more gentle leadership. It doesn't make you less tough for less demanding or whatever You're going to challenge your team members and you're GonNa Challenge one another and you're going to continue to be better and get better. As a result. It's just different. You know I it's a very different feel when you feel like we're all in this together versus having someone feel like wait a minute I'm not the competitor you know which would you can feel like that. You know sometimes when you've got that. Just relationship that's doing this you know So yeah. I mean, I, think that's work. That's where it starts and I think obviously modeling that becomes really important. you know being that leader who obviously is willing to hold themselves to high standards as much as they have the expectations of other people in the team that they have of one another it all has to be congress in that way can't be the leader just expecting the best out of everyone else, and then over sudden you kind of phone it in three days a week that's not gonNA. Fly. Your doctor Dr Cloud artery cloud. You know advocates for leaders in it's. I agree with him and I know you do too is. For us to show up with truth in grace. So it doesn't mean to your point. It doesn't mean that we don't have the difficult conversations. In fact, quite the contrary means you do have the difficult conversation you just you're just not showing up with a baseball bat in your hand or with your hands ready to put it around somebody's throat to your point. Yeah and and you know Jim Collins speaks to the same thing when he talks about. An iron will but at the same time just incredible humility and I think humility is probably as as much of an important word for leader as there is you know is Israeli that and and. It's interesting when you read when you read about particularly high performing athletes in a team in a team event team sport and you know their biggest moments of their life, the championships, the records, the whatever and just. How tough the leader was and yet? Bearing complete responsibility for the outcome as much as any of the star players. And you've you've used uconn women's and we've talked about various hockey Oh and condolences to your bruins by the way for being eliminated last. Nine. Celtics during ALGA. Dallas Stars. Didn't do too well, last night they had the opportunity close it out and completely laid an egg. But you you look at those kinds of stories in being a person who's never played anything at that level. But I've done a fair amount of sports coaching and I, get it I mean there there is a toughness. That does have truth and grace is Dr. Cloud says a compassion and there's a there's just there's a love for these people. To do their very best. And perform at a at a level. I'm speculating that the Dallas Stars you know they came out guns a blazing two nights ago, and then last night looked like a completely different team and. They've got an interim coach and I can almost guarantee you know the conversation. You know this is a guy who fills the burden of leadership. To help these these guys perform at their very best last night. They didn't. You can listen to his press conference and you can tell this is got he's definitely on the same side of the table as the players is really the point. And you know the other thing is great. Players love to be coached. Great players love to be challenged and It's really all about getting better which is kind of again it really always goes back to who the right people for this team right one of the things that make the difference between someone who makes it on this team and someone who doesn't despite what could be a great resume or someone who doesn't mazing interviews all that do they would've takes to be successful here and those are really important questions once we get a better feel for what that looks like in our organization, you know because we know that when a leader tolerates subpar employ. in in most cases, the employees I'm looking at that really like that about, and then when they finally let them go in the league thanks Charlotte at someone's GonNa like well, yeah they're pretty nice person and everything but God how did not happen six months? Is really kind of thing when it comes to. And the expectation is that anyone you're going to add to this change or anyone who's going to replace someone in this team has got to be. Playing at a high level and willing to do. You know what it takes to. Just have a passion around. What they do you know and I think. People who do work hard at it and they work hard to be better they work hard to be great individual contributors and mostly Really add this to you've got to have people that aren't just strong individual performances to aimed at setting good goals for themselves but also who care about one another who care about making everyone around them better. Because that way when I'm challenged by a CO worker questioned by a CO worker about something I've already expressed that I wanted for myself over the team. I see that as A. Supporting one another helping one, another not calling somebody out. so Gone, I think when? It's clear. Why were there and evaluate importance of caring for one another and a commitment to just getting better all the time I'm just really what it's all about. Well, and I think to your point is we kind around the the quarter pole to to the finish line here for the? I. Think. The team itself I mean, there's an accountability I don't think it ends up just being completely owned the leader, the sole leader, the team itself, every high performing team that I know of there has been this whole group of. You know of people stepping up before the person in charge of the person with Tyler Authority can even say anything them holding one another accountable, which is a powerful. Powerful thing. Absolutely we've and we've talked about that as you mentioned with there isn't any great sports team who will tell you that you think the coaches tough on the players you should see how the players are with one another. But again, not in a way that puts people in the defense. Been in a way that brings out the best in everyone around them and I think that is. Essential and kind of what it's all about and. Know Hope I think especially, I think as we are. Now in in virtual teams right now, we talked about this a little bit in advance. The caution. I, real. I would have for CEO's out there who are really. Getting a little bit like, okay. These teams have been working remotely a longtime now. Yes. Some early results I think a lot of teams have been particularly positive people stepped up people have shown. That they can do great work can be trusted in endure everything from home but I think the longer that goes on the more nervous some people start to get I. Think there's a real tendency to say, okay we're going to impose all kinds of new accountability pieces because boy we're GonNa make sure everyone's doing what they're doing. I think that the likelihood. That that would be. Have the opposite effect of what you're doing acres. You're going to engage them activities that aren't really be about their work. It's going to be about just showing. Their work and and it's going to basically send that not so subtle message that they don't really trust me. You know here I've been doing all this work working to death now les Rita Four Months. Numbers are up. Things are good. Now the sudden accountability expectations and measures and things for me from a reporting standpoint and everything just went up. You know twenty, five, percent, fifty percent. In. I, I would really be. You know trying to swim at the current on this one. You know for a while I mean pay attention to. Trying to really create the culture that we've kind of talked about, which is kind of this. Nation style accountability, and. And I think. That's a better. We gotTA manage our restlessness for sure I'm syncing. Yep Restlessness to your point of wanting to. Thinking that you need to frankly that you need to do more than you need to do you need up things so Exactly go hey, it's been Randy. Good to have you on back excited for we've got some upcoming shows with some. Fun Guests for September. So it'll be a really good thing and We'll give you the last word here as we head out. I'm really I'm really excited about the Book Leo Sent Me. Kind of the final. The final version, Su Just. Start reading. So I'm really excited for the book I feel like it's GonNa take this whole conversation. The, next level to beg a trite phrase. for for us to just lean on each other me the tagline is still. Is still very powerful. You know that the power of of we begins with me. and. That really is what this conversation is all about. We like for you to join the conversation you can. You can ping us on social media. All of the links to our social media profiles are on every episode show notes. 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Ep. 106: The Evolution & Future of The Toy Industry

Advertising Is Dead

36:21 min | 5 months ago

Ep. 106: The Evolution & Future of The Toy Industry

"We already quick request once again if you could help us out by filling out our survey. It's at ibm podcasts. Dot com slash survey. This really helps talk to advertisers about the kinds of people. Listening to the show's really do appreciate your help. And we're going to be doing a random drawing and we'll be sending out some amtrak. Hope you enjoy that toys. It doesn't matter or does some positive grownups. one thing that brings unanimous sense of joy offers. I'd always be bringing families together. On a board game on igniting wants imagination it action figures. The collective effect on humanity of always is often under appreciated and the advent of digital hasn't slowed. Its place in award and has in actuality and this industry to evolve in multiple new is enabling us consumers to engage connect every franchise of toys in unique and interesting with some book it behind bars. So my the country manager of hasbro's statia india and the middle east on the show this week to discuss the evolution of the toys played in our lives but also look at how the industry itself as world and what the future holds. I'm to get ella read back with advertising dead though everybody. Welcome to another great week of the podcast pepper. If you aren't falling us on social media is twenty twenty one now. It's time you did it. End in twenty twenty. That was bad enough but now twenty. Twenty one you're really really should. It's the podcast on twitter. Facebook and instagram and a quick reminder to please help us out with our survey. Ibm podcasts dot com slash survey. We've had a number of you fill it out so far but we want to shatter last year's number right really really blow that up. Go fill out the survey there if you do. We'll select from the emails wwco submitted. And we'll be sending out some interesting track people. So what should he be listening to this week. I don't wanna talk about is the unprecedented episode. We did a triple crossover beneath bar. From storytellers and story so all from advertising his dad and garlic garage in from defaulter coffee. Podcast all got together and put together mega episode to check it out on. Whichever of their fiji wanted us available in all three on non-career the guy spoke about the history of alcohol in india has gone a longer history than people would think definitely do. Check it out another show. I want to call out this week a little bit note by model model cat to fantastic episodes this week. She did her first episode with up to the elections in kashmir and then she did another one. Richard told the story of how she faced right entity to interview benazir bhutto definitely check it out. I would that let me get you back to your show. Welcome come back to his dad with polish. I have been really excited to this episode. Because of doi's are the best thing in the world and you get the book around doi's or let 'em how is that. I give it on. Thank you so much giving me the abortion. You're to go on board and and talk about Seems a mutually favorite topic of discussion registries. It's it's actually being a exciting journey from your neo. The last four years. I've joined as drouin. Angie busy has dropped nations in india from scratch as you would have added has bruised. Dodgers spanish entertainment company and some of iconic brands include. Enough might've warning transformers feudal. Monopoly is a is a household name in india. So i'd say it's genuinely a- of a fantastic experience and a an enjoyable ended out high I think what's really amazing about the join us. She and specically enhance crew is an emmy your you know about. Fifty to sixty percent of our products completely change Driven by the latest trends of people love to and how they love in themselves give seeking new. What is the latest content in the entertainment. You know sort of our bedding domes of live action our episode content. That people are watching a Out of inspired Off all any new biden's that simply merge video game make the make the june of innovating on boys really exciting for us. I find more interesting because many think about toys in as a space One would assume that in awarded which is predominantly moved was it would be a lot of effects stewart in physical undergoing don but from what i'm hearing from from from what like read up before we started doing. This is almost being that the physical practice strong. If maybe not maybe even stronger. But what's been what's been great is that you've been able to build so many different ecosystems that owned it kind of almost kind of work together absolutely. I think i see these words as almost you know separate are you know devos from each other. The the the almost coexist and are inserted. Nato that in the as coming together to tell you the truth acting it. Beckstrom divided situation right at in. Gove the Prices yet in right now of i know has has made it more difficult for us to get out but i do know there the now more than ever families coming together and enjoying the time that they have each other. And that's why i don't has relaunched this campaign goal. Bring on the phone sometime ago. Which was a global initiative roy batteries with actor desert foster quality name family connections during extended Own and by the way you know. I know you've been gone too much amount of dyslexia origin. This in the but that does also help us break away from that and spend time with each other and having At the same time you know that aspect that i just mentioned that is a a a brilliant. Indoor with digital because honesty has hasbro Organization every manager brands business rights abroad development marketing e commerce via the event position each audiences Devender do in the future so a lot of our our new doors on new innovations religious sort of sourcing that the of joined aspect of a fantastic physically experience as vaginas delivering on the technology piece by by for example the monopolies banking that. You know you can. You can actually completely james your experience of pain monopoly and make people less similarly the brand range we have or life of design tractor does young children anti ordinary training but they have some amazingly advanced exceed features which allows us to get a very Expedients of injecting with also. It's it's it's. I think it's kind of convergence that i think we have almost excited by. If you had to look at the point when you can kicked off sitting the has brought up from now what have you seen as almost like trends and things that evidently gonna take in the space forward to pick a few and say what other What is being changed an also. What's change in actually looked at what you taught. Consumers were warned and war to realize sore would actually consuming against seats. Honest a really interesting journey. As i said over the last four years then One of the things that i think is really driving. Strong growth in the street is the increasing domestic demand for toys in india right which will be catalyzed by the country's strong economic growth rising disposable incomes so as a consequence of dak we warfied definitely sees almost euro. Your does a large variety of boy is currently available in the market ended. I was Ranges from traditional toys to construction dolls board games puzzles behind Stemmed is you know games right on And i honestly and it goes on. I'm sure if some of our failures like in all Action figures really sort of i end. Collector is also becoming a a big net. What's really amusing. But under those. How the order. Sam businesses award in india. I mean that that are just get so buying boys have you know. There's there's a whole new consumer segment on the ice cunard's are those who who can. If no one than memories as gins united buying to oblivion collect items that is also becoming a big opportunity citing go amongst them. That's why i know. I know from the funchal bob collection that you've been of me. That's that's that's something that action figures everybody else and it's interesting you mention this as well so we simply had my mom visiting among other things she kinda go back for me was my Gi joe sets from when i was a kid which kind of which are stored bell while and she brought them and i would three it or engaged. I think the reaction was okay. I'm gonna give it to a one. She spoiled them wrestle. The mindset does not work we of old on toys. I legally the adults part has been. I mean i feel that we find it open to your own toys but at some point in time you could him necessarily do that. I went the truth when you mentioned as such a rich history in india. It's probably won't go well known as in the country behind monopoly and i. I know i used to clear it. Sort of action figures from j. When i was it's so darn and completely understand the sentiment mature shedding net cody. Look at the fact that lower diesel international franchise that are coming into india. Holly you seen that Do have you seen the fact that business need to adapt it for consumers kind of also latch onto a little bit more. Or have you not have you seen that as agendas are there. I think it's it's kind of again. Just as i in the country surprises ron with the amazing level at which knowledge sort of know gotten trends policy. Go hand in hand with the traditional sort of demands. It's exactly the same for us. You know as as experiencing is joining has also because of on ten because of live entertainment and the game dove advances that are being made on communication. That is a. There's definitely an increasing demand for the latest in the vegas in domes of you know absolutely i end advanced technology advance stories. Electric toys at the same time is also fantastic space for you know for example monopoly and and what i love about when lee is that the brand is accused of artwork. Amusing is how it's been all. Its effect is the eighty fifth of inaugural by the. And you know it's amazing. How defenders is timeless classics to be enjoyed by future generations. So you know why. It is always demand. Stephen demand for those traditional games or toys the also see in advance divine for for lot of elitist and and and amusing ion items that either episodes in the global market. So you know again. It's a balance that i think you're seeing in innovate the evolution of demanding india. What's etc doable. The toy space. Because but i hear you speak aboard. I i i see genuine. It's not something if you don't this is not. This is something which i can. I can sense your your best network the space and what contacted towards so i think What what. I love indices this is. The industry is extremely dynamic. And it's on strictly changing. You know given the kind of trends and given the patterns. And what happens in the indian mind moment and i can tell you for example who is electable became a big fan. Danube yet has roadwork. Deb chen had a couple of successful interesting williams and launches in that can be leveraged at treasury and You know a again. I'm sure there's gonna be something that's gonna come up in the next year every iota. I think that is something interesting that happened. So i love the speed at which team Innovate and elites a uber would change itself. Do what's latest on what's new and what needs to be done. Implementing two kids as you said. I mean i think the whole truth. Amount of time spent on on districts screens and all of that going up or look at the fact that it's not as the of that industry is dying out. I think the industry's able book innovated in via dime and still drives solution that ended up engaging is now in our diets adding i i love that about the industry. And that's our mean this. You know into the sector bill clinton and toys for the longest. I feel didn't get they do in in the sense of really understanding worked role. They play in in people's personality. Dave logan greater. Nfl look at this online. The other is. I'm going to tweet me interesting. This at that. I can judge. A person will be with their own finances aboard a look at how they play monopoly. It kinda shows how they do their own money. Because that's how you play the game. I it as deep roots. Does that just looks like Hollywood can grow up with certain boys and how they've shaped us. And i love the point. Your thought on that. Look at that aspect of seeing it's kind of almost grooming people's mindset that just being something that's so as just for fun. Yeah absolutely right. I think Even before to certain sort of newest concepts here. I know you know there are agencies around the world that recommend does catches that i do that would have commended the importance of playing games. The home bank will be able to keep them similar. Good occupied and ensure that it helps in that order sort of development. And i think that's kind of what what we come as the value of lebron And i have to say this is something that's been a bit of johnny crossan indiana. It's not yet a fully deep-rooted concept them. But i love the fact that the new generation of patterns are definitely taking this to heart. And you do see that transformation occurring there's increased demand for you know educated board game. Boys are boys interactive an in each To develop fine motor skills or behind. I ford nation or or start to develop you know a certain analytical ways in which you need putting off please just an amazing example of being able to do that. They teach gives you can beach Trade with someone negotiations near than all of those planned aspects of funds development. Incidentally i would say. I know that today for look at the book. Dot expenditure india. It's really low at retrieve dollars which i compared even similarly developing markets Economies in the word. But i definitely see the increasing the foss based on that used me a lot of confidence that this market more than others is poised for the massive development and growth in the specter in the space has. He conquered a large partner. A because i'm guessing they would have been changes in hull you consumer's gonna them make sure they come in full which is and all that stuff Has has gone of the e com space gonna growing as well in india and across the A few business on that trend having once interesting again. Vote on the just as you would see in a relatively developing sector or industry of the route to market is still under development right. I i know that there is an expansion. That's happening you know that. It is like a hamlet other more organized players expanding their networks which really because they bribed right needed access or for children are two boys. But i think that's that's getting accelerated without the extent because of e commerce so we definitely have experienced that being a much. Bigger individual broten development is happening. A i know the best platforms today. That associating than zuma needs in the country claim. Dude each of more than ninety percent than gordon You know that that's definitely a factor and that means that enough of kids who cannot access a great quality toys. David do that through with this spat foam. And i think that that genuinely helps us again. Meet the lodger drawing needs off of this industry in the country and helps us fuel growth on moving today deduction what i also think is interesting with with a just. The space is is that I think twenty twenty has done more for people. Do you mentioned families wanting late. If let in some baseball yearn for something that is not as digital. I feel that we've come to value a lot of that. I know for a fact that we bought a bunch of board games as soon as some amount of econom- opened up midway through the year And had tried to find as many physical things for daughter. And i know a lot of my friends in northglenn who have done that and an increasingly seeing people move at expedients you at own expense just about in just catching up in vail kind of coming back to. I've seen more board games in people's houses in recent deals than i've seen in a long long time so so in a way i think that's also an industrial prevailing trend of going back to physical tonight absolutely adding. You're you're right. I mean look. There's also this matter of engaging in person right away. From the seemingly only presidents creams have come to dominate the lives of people working on computerized on all students attending the morte. So physically board games due off android at from the screen down to reading these spending more daimler andrei now and of course. People have the ability to the austin president by playing those games from the childhood the decades. And just of you know working on bus connections that i think view all been losing in this industry busy. I'm debut aubin running down. You know developing and putting in effort to focus on a job so korea more than ever. I think honesty on demand for his googly ending the bosnian directions among families and i think has risen games bringing children families together via doing all of this stuff that we just talked about learning creativity and most importantly of us having fun. Fm what's also happened. Is it seamlessly For defied think about Leagues apple's because allocate at home. But i just see how. She consumes toys fort hood. It's not it's not separated from everything so she voted since watch a bobby animated cd's on net flicks but she'll then play with Bobby similarly watch a watch of frozen deemed Acquired or go to our action figures official. I think for for the prison generation of kids. Growing up seamless in between okay. What's on the screen. Watch smart and it's become that in in the next frontier in many ways. And because i have dabbled with because i've i find these things. Funded is actually the air versions of those than how we can kind of. Use those to make the experience even more interesting. So if you're going to look at the future and so these trends which was seeing for the prices woods Water things from your experience in what you absorb understanding landscape radio see the industry moving thirteen. The the need is a billiard under their demand for toys can seamlessly move between these. Two species is going to increase. Definitely right because Beyond just the basics. I think children and families and patterns offering to look more Boys right so what else can i can. I get from these from news. Stories of course is always the fundamental life lessons that you on on board games done to shed accepting working harder than waiting for your daughter out of that of the sam dino as as i pink overlapping them so strongly further and further in their families and and making connections with them which i think is by not something that certainly the under died and reverse itself as soon as you know we we. We have the vaccine them. People are fetal kind of move. Our so i do feel that you know boys that will evoke feelings of nostalgia for create memories create meaningful interactions and to connect with your family is a vistula element At the same time on the other hand as entertainment and content becomes more and more important than the all are gradually shifting. Are maybe you Ingo in on streams watch discount bend rather than doing it in the traditional of going to movies here does or whatever as as based on that in austin entertainment. Also i think god wanted relevant because at the at the end of the day you want to be a part of the scientists avoid you want to capture the moment from that and and there is no bakery atwood than than a live action boy or an action figure or some sort of all over as that brings that moment alive that allows you live the omen drapes so i think of both of these as as as i said is that can that can that can actually provide a fantastic experience from from both are digital ecological physical world. Start to get more than more living so in a couple of these areas that i think they nasty removing blue and again you know offers us such an exciting exciting energy continue to in oregon So if i was a young person today he will always be an golf of amid might be people who will not be excited by looking toys. And i i would just say that i think for most of us ever hear this because I think it's kinda comes out. But if i wanted to be looking border the opportunities. What are the spaces. Which which. I might not realise I quit working in this indicted. Dusty which is if it's a massive is so much that is happening there. What would you say the space is that. If i had to own my skills are going to say okay i i. I'm gonna wanting to work in this space. What would those be. So we're interested wellness. Not just i think and because we specifically talking about india and worthy the avoids energies. There this offers for you. Know the younger generation in dumps off just futures good news in in this country. i have kind of underlines state-backed back recently. The prime minister made a big announcement of how the want to encourage making india for toys in and make deutsche auburn above activity in the country. Obviously what what is going to happen. What is already happening is that logos. Government departments are actively working the industry. Who ensure that manufacturing and sourcing in countries around and in fact again on this front has bruised up. The is right at the top by you know because we are the potentially the biggest of his in the country. We have a very strong partner base in the country that he was stabbed the last couple of years that has helped us a start making in exporting them. Out of the country of art from this or selling them domestically canard for example is already announced. A huge hundred growing white luster adapted. That's come up in gopal. Similarly the film industry to set up units at the upcoming manifesting. Being of us of what i uni. C is that across all different kinds of fears know manufacturing design development or assurance engineering or seen and then of course given this game to focus. That is going to be a lot more innovation that i believe is going to happen in india does want to be a lot of bike creators. Who are going to be inspired. The element is conducting hackman's or design workshops. There's going to be plans. That on upskilling people who start sort of attributing the sect amasses honesty. It it is going to be a big focus foreign investments in the country and again. I definitely see this thing offering a lot of opportunity in different fears when it comes to a working within this industry in and contributing to the of the auto industry. Do you also see a lot more of physical spaces. reputa- gonna come inexpedient. Stuff is kind of opening up on august reports some point but never that pointers. Have you seen interesting That as little so. I think great examples of this having happened in of other more mature markets. So that is there's a whole experience and W working with a partner in singapore on which has been highly successful militia. There's a billion sort of transformers expedients drive that. You can be a part of as part of the whole universal studios. Singapore guzzo doesn't really interesting formats. That have come up. ended entertainment definitely out blinds to do this. Never maybe over a couple of years in the future other than knowledge. Does i think now. I think we need to really focus on building back in ensuring the back even keeled am gonna focus enrolling nasty in the basics Agree in a slate segue. What was your favorite Growing up what does your were do. Dearly i loved the story line. I love the different. Does and i think. I obviously love rollerblade sitting with of course my little. Gi joe said ten and of course you know you know the guys in the back days fight with each other and of course the days you have to tell me which which one was your favorite goes that we've all had we all have erect addict. Or what are you saying. I was i was. I was always a split between. I think i was actually more more duke visa. Something about that. The which i for the old big bulky undefeatable. I don't call i'll hit you childish. I think there's there's genuine excitement. That comes who talk about the get. It goes in this league. Almost a part of our we are and so much more that we all look forward and this and the bench is is located. How everything's gonna scaling up and going that great. I also look stuff. That's that's home-grown is kind of anything specific in terms of Any plans stuff like that as well. So again. This is going back to what. I just mentioned. On the meek in india agenda and warfied definitely having inbox vid. The of an idea of a government bodies and partners is how is it. There began start us milk. Lynn sites through twin spires development of his within upward. For your so. You're definitely looking at ingesting. Innovations onboard jammed in a couple of other brands that begin seamlessly integrated and also kind of at advantage of india. Those so so that's definitely in the by plan and of us more to come as we as we develop goes. But it's definitely something that i'm i'm supposed to be excited by if i go back to off To now what would you say Bus cushion one is that. Is this what you wanted to do. benveniste started off. Was this the plan that i will eventually in the face. I will have the job of of knowing as much of what these as a lot of hope we would end. Secondly what happier learnings be noticed. I'm bored of you. Kind of learned patricia. Who's gonna stock. They might think and look. I need to know all these things in world war. Two buildings to the first question on nov was not I don't think that i started my gut. Had any clue on our end to end up in the industry. But i i was killed on one thing which i did want to be a part of organizations industries that i personally fake excited about and they kind of digitally sinking. Well with my own value is i think has bruised absolutely perfect in on those jobs. And that's why i think guys. Jv joy miami. Mike diamond my joining in has through and of course look forward to many more successful years of of being able to do this. I think the second question of the only thing that. I think i would love to talk about on that. Trump is knowing expedience. That you gotta walk through in life is Is is small audits. Non-relevant i think every little change every little project every little Know job week. Every living increase indispensability peaches. You got much more and what you need to do as accurate as just that change because honestly experiences rather than levels and job diapers and whatever else have you ought to be the ones that really teach you so much more than life so you know. Just enjoy the journey. Enjoy the expenses that you're wings and focus on giving us to do each of those and i think you you'd fly. That's all that i can say. As it comes was the end of every episode i do segment with all make s which which was which traditionally was called the humans a better dancing but overtime has just become a humans who come onto the sugarcoat have tended created for a dead. It's a bunch of random questions not necessarily about the work. Mortar board you. It also leads to some very interesting insight support. Guests are gonna come out so analog. These are standard. But i'm going to. I'm going to school. One of the ones which i which i found interesting. Sometimes what you spend a lot of time consuming obsessing or just like spending a lot of time doing which people who know you professionally would be surprised the extra Spent so much time doing what would be. I think i spend a lot of anger into i'm able to create value and and that can be any aspect of my life whether it is at my job it is you know what am i doing. Bush lead to be able to add value to myself or people at on me. I think that's something that that or or maybe even think a lot about You know during my time. Yeah what have you done. Two hundred eight to give yourself more value. We beyond the look. I think acushnet garden time. But on a one of the biggest thing that i i'm trying to office is remain connected to the beam just to sort of you know ensure that The a good place. So there's been a lot of town halls and an conversations that i think i've been having an also asthmatic Decently and taking over completely nudity by more by the other unbelievable expanded. I'm going to date now just trying to again. Make those connections understand where people are If i can. I can help them through to any challenges that they're facing. Yeah that's that's my Of all i'm in regard value create value. Have you seen the yourself. A leader of all because that could be very different way of working with teams and kind of a special wool cap is also making sure that people ought in the right hit space and How we've seen yourself evolve as a leader especially in this form of functioning. So honestly don't one aspect that i've been trying to work. Hard on is is being able to listen and listen even more giving me and look i mean. I think it's easier when you're not in a in a physical space when you're looking at people you you can. You are able to communicate quite openly. How you're interested and keenan and you are union or they're sing. It becomes all the more difficult than we are. We are doing this which Especially when you you sometimes don't on videos that us. Next another challenges zillion potent due to be able to communicate to the other person that you are open. You're listening you're really appreciate what's coming and also i team d. s. is expressing Just because you know these awed unbelievable names that i think whatever that via deputy seen predicted burgle they are giving that one hundred percent and things jim barton tank people enough to show the field recognize them and also give them agassi this space to be able to manage all of their personal data. This professional It's just was aspects of As i'm getting more and more conscious off android trying to bring in a in my day to day working is this something that you you overdose Listen to disconnect watch which you feel has been something that you will do. They come in for people. i've been reading this book. That was biogenic Me by by my boss. It's by mushy grossman or one. Could you get you there as an orderly like about the book is the unconscious annoying habits that that leaders ended up developing of the a fantastic level of success in a these get in gun legs and i think i worked. What i love about. The book is how you can actually do of introspection lacaille reticent that you are on your journey on these habits and how somebody simply safe's can can help you overcome them so this is something that's been it. I've been quite captivated by them. Come january donna locks from that and china play back in my own journey. I haven't listening don't that visible. I've just started which might actually be a nice follow up to what you're reading is a book called give and take It's it's by item. Greenwich support of helping does can drive your own success and leadership as the is might interest you sean. it was. It was gifted Reading city industrial does a hall back. This makes so much more sense introduce more than ever before and going with what this book where leadership award you just mentioned that thought. That would be a a nice for me to see this back to you. Thank you so much for coming and last question. why why. why did he go is never die. Gournay yeah boy toys as a something that we would constantly have never day as long as we keep the life. I don't think agent that is so true tank as much. Because i've i feel like i have a bunch of insights which i which i've taken off from this episode And i hope you enjoyed it as much as that. I've had absolutely thank you so much. And it's been lose your pleasure connecting and having a jack thanks. Thanks thanks not all the best for by working monday to friday. Luthier chair making you feel but he not get. Your fight will be reduced travel around the world. The postcards from november. Join me vetoes. 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Development of Insight | Ajahn Appichato | 26 April 2020

Buddhist Society of Western Australia

46:40 min | 1 year ago

Development of Insight | Ajahn Appichato | 26 April 2020

"Good morning everybody on this beautiful Sunny Day in Perth so with this morning talk called. Basset on say the development of Say insight understanding say say like like knowledge deeper knowledge and understanding of say life in the universe when you're looking at the big picture because especially as especially as people that we tend to have more of a say like a big mind principle where instead of just you know running about getting to work coming home watching. Netflix and Youtube and all this type of thing we tend to be Have a much more deeper expansive mentality and perception on a said like humankind and the universe? And so you know when you look at very dedicated. Practitioners within T- Buddhist Christian Muslim and Hindu fraternity. You find that. The vast majority of these people have genuine interest in in developing. You know some Profound understanding of life and the universe. When you you look at history and you look at the many of the very Say Good Quality. High Class Scholars Academics philosophers throughout history You know the the all these people touched on this on these principles on select at least on an irregular basis. Because we know we're looking at like a deep and profound sort higher knowledge of quite an understanding of man's place in the cosmos so this this whole say path and process of insight as many of your way that that the Buddha's teaching you know when you look at all the foundations principles of what the Buddha taught that the actual the apex the Pinnacle Point. Of the teaching is the development of deep wisdom and insight. So you know when you you look at the latest the General Society the practice of the latest generosity Ceelo which is based on at least a five precepts precepts development of Somali. A of stillness shop really shop focusing mindfulness and the development of insights. Your your insight. Your wisdom is at. The Pinnacle is at the Apex of this this pyramid and is supported by all these these principles you know a as as foundation principles with the The police eight full path. So when we look at the development of inside wh- what do we actually made so inside being Celica a very four comprehensive and detailed understanding of say once by internal experience and the external world especially world and the universe around you and so how how does how does the post in know when something is wisdom or deep inside or where or when it's just proliferation and Corporately cook and just complete nonsense. Yeah because some people very very smart very very sharp with the with the chat you know and They can be very elegant eloquent They can be. You know a mean fantastic speakers and Or raters and these. These particular schools and qualities certainly have Have value for anyone who's GonNa like a teaching or management So position running a company could be anything whatsoever. Were you need you know? Very very shop. Communication and Say Teaching leadership skills. So so what's the difference between wisden inside? And just you know philosophical babble stuff which which really which you know we really like sounds good sounds impressive but but you know how. How do we know that that post has actually got the goods and another person is able to talk the talk but not walk the walk and so any person where the slightest sample or monastics and and specifically with say light light teachers as well because they like you know sort of like halfway between The light protect lay practitioners and the monastics because they have to dedicate far more time with the practicing teaching people like leadership Position of trust and and and whatnot so people expect them to keep a A high standard. They expect them to have a deeper understanding of of On practice or problems and difficulties had to leave once. Live and So you know how do we know? So you know we we have. We have domestics we have the life fraternity. We have light teachers. And so how? How do we know what is wisdom? And what is just very very like shop profound. Say say babble in a sense and one one thing you see is you know. Wisdom wisdom shines itself in in in action. You know the you know to to know surface amplifer person has really has been a wisdom has some real understanding of of one's life of the path you actually seed in action so as the person walks and talks You know the way the way they the way they explain things the way they they they. They live with the morality especially with the five precepts. You in anyone who has any real wisdom at all Tends to be careful with their Their precepts because the wisdom faculty permeates all the major principles. All your thirty seven lightman factors which make up the path. I in in in in total. So you know so when we talk about wisdom we talking about like wisdom in action you know as if a if a person conveys that sense of a that sense of of impression You know you just you just watch the way. The person walks and talks and the way they lead Their life and so we see them in action and so with when we when we see As developing a especially with the meditate is because PM. People you know you you can't people who meditate on a regular basis and they do become naturally reflective of time. Because as you as you do meditation everyday makes you more shop. More moral Increases your sensory awareness your intuition and your sensitivity to what's going on around you meditators tend to be quite sensitive people and and And anyone who's been meditating for several years. They tend to feel their way with other people. I tend to feel the relationships With With their family and friends this young lady who rolled up At the monastery yesterday and She bought a substantial amount of food for the for the community For the meal and this young lady the what the why as we as we chit chatting in the end I asked to. You know to to work in community services because the level of Say that the the quality of the of the communication and engagement was like really good very very good interpersonal skills key connecting with people very very well and And I just autumn Alto this personal social worker Their nurse there a welfare worker Maybe possibly could possibly be working to prison system and whatnot. Yeah some community based support unemployment and this one was working the mental health Sam Fraternity but it was something which really really stood out and being a practicing bullets team. Also so you know as we say for example as we develop Al On a on a daily basis you know we we we do this because you need somebody to give your yourself to the sharpness and the awareness tuition For the development of inside you know might say for example. My father doesn't meditate at all. But he's really into contemplation and he's done an incredible amount of study and research and he's constantly reading and Studying journals and this and that and when he got his Internet access he was just over the moon because everyone knows everyone must. Everything's on the Internet and he was able to study. You know all his major say military and political and economic issues in great detail it be taken particular subject and he would study it thoroughly for you know for you know maybe for at least one or two hours a day for seven days straight and then get this very very fool. Comprehensive like all round knowledge and understanding of the The subject that the that he was looking at it's It's very very similar with the the the Buddhist practitioner as well that you know when we're talking about wasting with Talkin Bout like all round knowledge. So whatever you know if we go through a particular mood or personal experience with someone or something comes up from the hospital even be some heavy issue. We want to develop full knowledge to the best of all ability about the experience at hand so You a person may have a particular significant experience in their life that they have to work with. Oh they need to say comments in in in a major way so they may be reflecting on. This may be at least once twice three times a day and especially the meditate because it it gives you that age as far as contemplation. Some some people can. Do you know like my father. He's very very good. Investigation is going to incredible knowledge base. And you know he can. Just you can just wipe the floor with me when it comes to military political economic issues because I'm online internet. Maybe briefly maybe one or two hours. Maybe roughly every week or so You know because it will. All of you are well aware. You know you can just spend your whole life you know in front of a A Computer and You know the vast majority was done you know. Don't have that time to wasting. Our time is just like slipping through our fingers. Eta speak so you know but some people In a category in the general public can develop very had to go to the mall with Pasadena based you know they they. They like to think and reflect and investigate and and and they they they amassed is incredible knowledge Bison and they they they sifting through an and checking and and clarifying and verifying all these different things that they learned and then they they coming over time as a stay with the investigation they come closer and closer and closer to the heart of the matter or to the true essence of that particular subject. They looking at because as all of you know any particular subject may have could have possibly easily ten even twelve. You know Potential angles to approach from you can have one subject you know with ten or twelve different modes of Understanding Own Investigation That we use In order to get this like all round knowledge around Knowing and an understanding of a a a a particular experience because you know e- so in essence wisdom will bring you listen and true inside will bring you closer to the true reality of what we're going through or what we see Is happening with other people in other parts of the world. Even on the level of of a satellite Kosmos the universe could be anything whatsoever could be something connected with the the the Hubble Telescope in relation to maybe some new galaxy. And and you know 'cause I mean put a deep talk about these things in a in a small way In the sutras. You know things like that you ration- you know the the the duration of The the cycle of the of the university expansion contraction of university the lifespans of of these highly Very high heavenly beings and Dave. Dave Logan. The brahma loco walls and and So very very profound things but as the Buddha said that you know what I've actually taught you is is is just like a handful of leaves in my hand compared to this great forest in front of you and say what what the Buddhist teaching you is essentially the essence what you need to know in order to penetrate through to ultimate reality and because you know every single every single one of us who is practicing you know the Party and that's what we really have to. I aim for in its final seclusion. The you know the the the the pass The the main point the end point of the Buddhist part is very deep profound wisdom and insight which breaks the cycle of rebirth gives you a very profound understanding of the enlightenment stages and what What say deformities what fetters? What any of the ten fetters. Which lifted the mind and so many of you know the Soda Has Eliminates Free Fitters at the first level of of awakening. And then you see an attenuation reduction of of of The fetus as you move out to scale so so you in essence that That would be the point of the the the police path you know deep profound Understanding of the human mind human condition and And I I was reading some material on a particular lady She gave me a stick with her life story. I should read a book and not just the level of difficulty and suffering of this particular person and I mean I just really just you know like other the talk and but in essence that the the you know because of comic especially because Commerce incredibly complicated and people funding can find themselves in criminal. They can be very good people. Very good heartened. Wholesome people therm underlying Good qualities but the day lives can be. Just a nightmare can be almost horrendous But nobody you know when it comes to come. People don't get unlucky. You essentially the vast majority of the time Ninety eight ninety nine percent of the time you you know you get what you deserve for both good and for bad so if you see a very very good person and they live is just As just a nightmare. It's just stop horrendous. At that point in time that posen is basically bearing the fruits of bad actions in the in the past but they born goodhart born in a difficult situation but when people go through difficulties in life is is one of the crew and one of the very old enlightened masters from Thailand. Said that if you if you go through a particular very difficult experience and this experience thousand kill you it. It just makes you buy physically and psychologically stronger because with with human beings that if life is just full of happiness and place and love and and fantastic relationships with other people and and you know lovely homes and Foss cars and great health and and and children and friends and this and that we don't necessarily learn an incredible degree with that kind of experience but when we have a mix of both good and bad or some people's lives of very difficult it actually if forces you it it forces you to develop it forces you to reflect them. You're live and to find a way out of problems and difficulties and try to improve things because you know with the with with with the this is something that the Buddha mentioned in the Ceuta's that with the pass you know we say for example with the underlying unease the underlying difficulty of the the human condition that it either leads to display the human condition in the long term. Because this is not. We're not it's not like You know he's not a bit of roses you know. We're looking at a at a mix of both good and bad and neutral experience but But but in in essence that the the path you know the human condition will either can potentially lead to despair or it leads to a sense of search. Where you you try to find a way out to improve the the circumstances that urine And and Yes so you know to essentially to charter develop some rule Say like in happiness stability security Good Quality T- A better quality of life. You know people don't people the vast majority of the human race orientate towards happiness. Joy could relationships You know financial security material security Fantastic children if you've if you've gotten all the all the all these things that we spy to it Within the Human Rome you know this. What the vast majority of the population want but with all of us. Because you know you've got thousands and thousands hundreds of thousands of lifetimes comma behind you but be bidding essence here in a loose term. Say roughly about the last. You know essence like if you if you really want to be more specific like the last ten lifetimes will have probably a greater bearing of your life than than previous. Say Ninety if you're looking at last hundred lifetimes to last ten will have a significant impact on your current Raper so I mean every single one of us we have this responsibility it. It doesn't matter how smart you are. How simple you are you had situations in Thailand way. You had Croutons old you know. The the the old masters the old forest masters who who attained you know to the highest levels of the enlightenment stages the fourth level of enlightenment as our hunts you know some of these people male and female didn't even have a third or fourth grade primary school education and these people went on to be fully enlightened. Dama masters of Meditation and Dhamma and So so in essence a especially in Western society if these people who barely literate can do this thin and then the vast majority of the population if we really put our minds to it. We can do this as well. It's IT'S A it's a matter of. It's a matter of effort and and and and say like like wise consideration. You know you you know you've got the road map you know. You know exactly what you need to do. You know the direction you need to Move in and you essentially you put in In the work in The principle of this is something that the crew brought. John's really really stress is like Suttie. Mindfulness the development of mindfulness and wisdom in daily life. Which people if you look at all the major principles of of of them when you have mined from this shop mind from this and wisden guiding the path from start to finish those two factors those two factors in a nutshell they can. They can watch over and assists and make adjustments with all the other factors of the part because the primary two primary factors and they can watch over the whole development of the part in a major way. So you know even even if you're a person who's you know he just doesn't want to study to an incredible degree you interested in in you know you you try to keep the five precepts You to a little bit of meditation may be at least five minutes a day You know try to. You know to live a quality life that those two principles you keep those in mind on a regular basis and now it will take you a long way with the development of the path so I'll make a stop and then we'll start with a meditation. Practice will meditate for say. Say Fifteen minutes fifteen minutes and what would do a Do the The the Burmese the Burmese Tummy Tummy Meditation with you. You focus on the the abdomen and as as the as the abdomen rises in full you watched the sensations in the in the in the solar plexus obesity as the as the the the abdomen rises and falls. You just watch all those those feelings. Disincentive those sensations. And the reason why this is useful in the sense because when people are under stress and they get very emotionally charged or they start to lock up emotions in the body the people can really feel it in the in the or the the got soy especially in they chest the chest area say the whole chester is a very very broad focus. It takes a lot longer to get peaceful with that. But if you've got heavy heavy emotional stuff and you breathe in. Through the the into the chest of forty s from the throat to the belly button you can actually ventilate and you can shift very very strong difficult emotions from that area just through this kind of like a like an an a a pure awareness sensitivity and RELEA- and being aware of feeling sensation and releasing feeling and a vast majority of lock up emotions in the chest and the abdomen. But we'll focus on the abdomen this morning because it's a much more sharp precise on area of focus. At least you know so at least you can see some some say so. Just get yourself in a comfortable position with your try to keep your your Your legs crossed in your hands together. Your back straight you know. Make sure that you've got nothing tied around the throat. The risk the the waist. And so you can breathe fully fully into the chest and have the head upright and comfortable and just focus on that feeling so as you as you sit comfortably. Just relax the physical body to the best of your ability. Relax you especially shoulders around the shoulders. The neck and relax you know the the the knees and the pelvis and the Ankle's get yourself nice and comfy and just breathe in to the belly you know I want you to feel the billy feel all the feelings sensations in the belly section and with this you can help relax the whole physical body as well. So we'll do that for the next twenty minutes. Central Tool Hugh Through the session so as you breathe into the abdomen. Try to relax the BA- the belly as much as possible and relax the physical body as much as possible so as you breathe in to the belly. Section take long slow relaxed deep rates to maximize the dips or the meditation. So as you breathe into the abdomen just SOC- if you are aware of any Say tension or painful feelings or changes in temperature because this can actually have something to do with your partly energy with your Chee With the circulation of you or you know with your CEO. Your your emotional Makeup us will say you know as you know with the covered Nineteen or under Far More stress than we usually are In different ways. So you know this you may actually feel it. this This Extra stress that we're under at this time in the in the muscles and tendons ligaments in the The abdominal area. So as you develop some some real focus and Some stillness of mind if you have any Very strong emotions or any issues. Coming up now is the time to contemplate. The purpose of Samadi is for the development of wisdom not just for the forgetting peaceful and happy and joyful the high purposes wisdom as you this particular experience that you may have on wants you to try to understand it on emotional level you know what what is the quality of this feeling who is connected with you know the circumstances and why at what time and for how long and how it affects you you know sort of approach it from many many different angles. You know there's more than one way to skin a cat so you could approach a particular experience from maybe a dozen angles from maybe You know half a dozen no no trouble And try to develop this full knowledge. This full understanding of the of person of particular personal experience. Because when you do you have the ability. You have the you know. Because you have to teach yourself in impetus practice especially meditation You when when obstacles come up with problems and difficulties come up. You actually have to teach us because the mind in itself is is only has this this pure wariness at its most intrinsic level that the mind is not born wisdom. You actually have to teach yourself over the years over the lifetime to a free lifetimes before you break through so reflect on a particular experience explorer as deeply as you possibly can and And to see some significant results to see some real relaxation letting go Forgiveness compassion and whatnot You may have to do this. Probably several times a day and And try to develop these all round knowledge of Ovalles particular experience that you're going through so we come to the end of decision and a ring. The bill three times. And you can open your eyes when you're ready Ooh ooh okay. So thanks for joining us this morning and have a wonderful day.

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Creating environmentally-friendly athletic apparel, Tim Christian of OORR

The Product Startup: Product development for small business

45:16 min | 4 years ago

Creating environmentally-friendly athletic apparel, Tim Christian of OORR

"The product startup episode fifty. Tim Christian shares how he started. Oh are a cycling apparel brand that uses recycled fabric. Hi Hi everyone and welcome to. The product started podcast where we talk about turning ideas into successful products. step-by-step I'm Phillip Alita. And thanks for listening today. And the last the episode we talked to Giuliana got is with a Houston Angel Network about the process of Angel Investment. So make sure to check out episode forty nine if you WanNa behind the scenes view uh of that process before we get started. I wanted to highlight one reviewer on items stray oh this is fantastic. PODCAST with a wide range of interviews dealing with with product development and startups. Every interview is a gold mine of information. Thank you and please keep up the good work. Hey thank you stray. Oh and everyone else for taking your your time from your day to leave a review and share the podcast with your friends if you've just joined the podcast and you're getting started. Make sure to check out episode ten. I have an idea now what it basically talks about the process of validating your product ideas where we confirm our audience and test to make sure that it will sell you. Also get into you. What the value of an idea is why aren't ideas worth much? And the importance of execution and what it does to help us reduce risk and add value and we also talk about out creating prototypes on any budget using what we have and learning how to make simple conceptual and functional prototypes ourselves. Thanks to everybody. That's joined the product startup workshop. Our private it at facebook group where we meet and collaborate on ideas lots of people working on some interesting things if you haven't checked it out yet already. Search for the product startup workshop on facebook or go to the PROC STARTUP DOT com slash group and you'll be redirected so now on today show. Hi Tim thanks for joining us. Today I fell. Thanks very much for having hurry having on Yom really excited to talk about this because you've got a interesting product. Your company produces odorless Jim tops and pro cycling gear made with coffee to talk about that It's yeah it's an interesting being lights to get a a point of difference in a very saturated market August. Yeah that's about as much as I can give you advice condemn. The coffee was an idea but I was running fought. Catalog is an easy of eventually dug into my subconscious unconscious and the product. You mentioned that you Kinda dug into some of the issues that you had before. What made you think that there was a gap in the market? Like you said the the cycling market seems to be really competitive I was a casual mountain biker before had a family and there's just so much gear out out there for cyclists companies coming up with their own stuff. I just seem so noisy. I'd be afraid of the van entering the market. Why did you say hey? You know what I've got this different opinion on it. uh-huh all you'd be was fried. It is very saturated There's a lot of noise to be recognized. didn't thank Debbie any point trying to compete on a level playing field all kinds against some some of the major or even the supplies. So I think the best way to interact with that is to create your market and United Nations where I saw a gap will that potential flaws in environmentally environmentally friendly crops. That I've gone into the planet and what's available. Say Maan nine sort of. I guess he's in trying to make things benefits in some way or another and to my knowledge at the time there was nothing on the back of the lock that uh nothing credited recycled materials Barak materials having a couple of bamboos around. That was GONNA be. Let's interesting that you would take. Take on the flip side. Though targeting to an audience that is usually more earth conscious. UNICYCLISTS tend to be the type of people at least in mountain biking. You have trail days days where you come in and picks up the trail and you give back to the environment that gives you that joy. I know at least for road cyclists. That are a lot of people that are more conscious about out in a desperate run reasons that they commute back and forth to work on a bicycle is because of the fat connection to the earth So that's an interesting tip that people wouldn't normally think that. Hey you know the year that I need to use also has to subscribe to those values. Everything you do has some impact and you know the time when you get on your. You're trying to escape the city or get out into the fresh air and out into the environment you love love and it's kind of taking that extra step I guess if you want to contribute to that environment Damages matched by but taking than. That's spurlock. How did you go into creating your first product? What was the first product you made in? How did you create that prototype? The first practice on I Komo Lots of mistakes with it. It's still in the end. It stole ten. That's a pretty good product But it was a hot ride and I learned a lot along the lied It it was just a software jazzy full and on lots and lots of talks by simply going triggered on a small production run. And it's a wintry sniper the fest products off I went through ivory dozen sample runs with different with with ever dozen manufacturers sonnen lots of protons the trick was funnier at manufacturer and pulling all places patent making in February. Ken Oletta. Did you have a background background and pattern making before you even started this nice ally by conducted a survey that fully but I didn't have strains in any over the defensively pulling experts pets from the field and raising him on what Mark Llamas were an academic united press walking through the process within a long life. So it's kind of exercising project management rather than may develop him on Moscow's town you learn a lot as h he front area so as I said I wanted to To the popular products and to do that on basin AK friendly fabrics so I had to start with the fabric and Xitong Sean funds a manufacturer that today's job of constructing the common. Yeah so the cover Janney he was was all about finding the right people and creating a February him if every versus a lot more challenging and I am anticipated. Actually so when you first started you you created the pattern I with the fabric i. It was kind of a parallel thing in parallel. And when you started looking at manufacturers now if people can't can't tell you're over in Australia so imagine you're looking at manufacturers that were over in the Asia part of the world that right I love everybody man all of them a choice that on an strategy because The initial vision I had for the business. was everything in Australia to be really very self sufficient I I guess. A lot of countries with the sign and the global train that sort of everything's going into Asia. They were refused of small manufacturers. leptons job at Tom. None of them to uninformed seduce I ended up setting further onto New Zealand Fiji to America and China and India. Yeah so I looked at all these different. Tom Manufacturing hubs and I settled in China or the the gunman construction and in New Zealand for the fabric construction but the yawns from the side Yon from New Zealand. The fabric was made and then every shift to China and taught them constructive gallons. That's really complicated route. What's the reason for staying in the US for the yarn? It had to be recycle John. And there's a company in the US Code Unified Recycled Hussy Don or his pockets arena. Voice is basically just pay and they bragged data recycled an infinite number of on the talk quality without any degradation in in quality each time so basically a new Grad authentic fabric problem or software materials. That are vegetarians. And didn't INSANI point in February queeg materials when the other option was available. So I've gone back to your question. The basically the industry standard in soccer polyester. Oh yesterday's made by that company uniform which is based in America based you know the most well recognized and certified for Sahgal Boyega and it seems like after. You're making this whole journey throughout the world is near the trip that this yarn takes your costs might not be any different than might actually be more than just purchasing virgin materials feels that right The cost is definitely via with you whether it travels over. Doesn't it's still high because it's unfortunate ways it's made in locomotives and there's less demand for Dr Ryan Eventually that change the amount of manufacturing processes the guy into Virgin Polyester Why the Amanda Manufacturing Processes going to making software is nine prices guy making news from Dying for oil out of the ground and ends They've already been tending to pay. Tayside must have already been done that he says very steps deb's left in a way. It's just a matter of time until the recycled material that you're using now ends up being cheaper because oil and gas is going to continue to increase in price in the next twenty thirty years. Yes exactly and and my visits have with Education Ozzy get an identical product Sokoll materials that They'll be more with him on that as well so I notice that your pricing compared to some US pricing is a bit higher than what we're used to here. I've you confirmed that people are willing to pay a little bit more to get that recycled material into something. That's more ECO friendly and in line with their values. It's hard to process across the cross will not because of currency fluctuation sure The intention of the process is to Just below the sort of the high end for us that are about the stymied neither the wrappers in the Allston Castilian. That sort of stuff. said the intention is that it's it's cheaper than for us and if you read any of. The reviews abused on bought. The experts actually believe the practice at least as good is that is brands so by Tanis to offer a viable alternative facts friendly. Today's Today's premium for something was justice. Go to bed and so let's pick up your story where you left off. You were working with said about twelve manufacturers or so to come up with that ideal prototype. How did you get that from that point to placing order for your larger manufacturing? Ron Like what did you do to validate that. There's enough demand in the market and maybe even get some pre orders to make sure that it it worked. Well that's the thing that that was one of the mistakes on actually so I just was more of a latest. I you know I believed in it for us and gone down. The path of there was nothing stopping me. I was gone does regardless us so I just got it out. The started providing Styles not not a lot of keeping shoes but known brilliant after ten of profitable to recover your cost just a reset in started again. I would go back to the drawing I did. I did all I regain changed. The model has started producing the coffee. Gammons the heel toe. He then NASA didn't have the coffee in them and the completely different in a in every way and and the fabric is now by long night in Ucla hits. It's all night in the problem. I had with getting on for America's standing to New Zealand then standing in February to China was the cotton uncovered the cotton the Gannett's themselves after flying shipping. Things alive zones. Definitive is trying to make something more friendly so yeah undecided to try and centralize everything so nobody cut down on cost. BIDDLE side cut down on carbon emissions of getting everything into the factory and and so that also precise mock and mock it proof. Monday good idea as well as the BIZ. Model for that in my opinion was to go to Keith stopped up to the roof. Yeah and that's interesting because a lot of times people will start with the kickstarter but they might not have a large enough audience and sometimes the kick starter doesn't fund all the way because they don't get that that WHO said that they expected. What type of audience would you have coming into it? How big is your audience? And how has your kickstarter done. I see that you've been able to presell a fair bit of product. Kim almost three hundred pieces. I think Yeah there were one hundred seventy on bacchus okay but my back is pledged for more Lamont Gavin Psychic. I'm still waiting on the final numbers. Come in Zainy Basically descent Mohan kinks out are up top and then pick people tight. It's on getting the resolves bacteria but Sandra yet at the Gallons tonight from the audience. That's that's a warning for anyone who food is considering guiding cakes dot up. He's basically permit. You'll doctor your video. who campaigned at all out really is he's just a platform feed highest derived? So if you don't have your own traffic control your entropy to kick gigs Going to be doing in full you on a United Melissa's might not know that side. That was something that always made aware of fool is thought of it. Sounds like something simple but yet died. This guy got kicked out the great idea and think that it's going gangbusters because five endless you make it happen and and get your on traffic anyway. Actually I had a small audience of mine. Previous customers us from the initial product. And they're all committed vans basically of over the brand just to have the kickstarter foamy and uh-huh Iran some facebook marketing campaigns had some influences pointing towards the campaign as well so I probably the the most powerful thing indeed was arena a- competition around a few competitions but the one of them is a a facebook competition to encourage people to sign up within the email address email list prior to launching a campaign and that was probably the draw of traffic tools the became pine at self offend those. I got people on the right to learn about the about before campaign as they've been village. Yes talk about that a little bit. I think people struggle with creating enlist because it's just so hard to get traffic on anything. Now there's so many competing products on the market and so much noise out there and it's really hard to stand apart So it feels like you have to spam. I am all your friends and family to get that initial hit and even then sometimes people you know so in a way that works sometimes because people that know you best are the ones that are going to be even you the most but It's also hard to kind of get that traction were there any any tips. You can share to help. Create that list for prelaunch yes your friends and family as he'll begin against spreading lots of maple shade for you and that sort of thing and as a result of that comfortable in China or something on on my friends and family so do you do it but it was very gentle. Approach by design is what Dan you know. Check it out if you think it's cool and not really appreciate your posse on that says advice flies. Dave is a win for the the building. visit really cool school in facebook advertising that he can catchily added lay generation. Foam where you capture to that laid the email address from facebook itself. So that I'd have to click. A link can go out of facebook generation early gathering page. It's literally literally at a little cough up. That happens when I click on your ad and like you just put their email address in and and they and they still keep scrolling on the forward. I found the ad so that was how did at but the getting painful to I've been impressed by so their email. Oh just in. That's the that's the tree and you basically have to offer value to the to the frozen. Why are they gonNA So if there's not value then they're not going to do it is to be something for them for a business. The best way to do that is offered pro rata competition you it getting the joy to win a fight about this new product launching. And your chance to win one of these. Perhaps it again produced juice. They have one of those people in the world to to get his for free. Yeah that's how I do often free stuff you know. And that's a huge cost and for some products products. Maybe especially for yours. Do that was worth it. Then it was. I guess cheaper to do that then paying for paid ads which I guess you did anyway through the facebook leads platform like you mentioned mentioned. The pilots were were a cost The offering part wasn't a huge cost visit. Said Yonah draw to win so you have. It's an essentially not everybody signing up gets a free product town. I mean yeah that that would be a control on that so tell me how you were able to hone in on your audience. I guess because your audience is very specific. You're offering it for cyclists with facebook. You're able to do this some really fine targeting with that I know for example with the product startup audience. My audience is just crazy broad and so I have a really hard time doing anything that with targeted ads. Because I've got a mentors that listen and small business owners that listen some of them. Listen to podcasts. Somewhat Shark tank. And if you try to date. This is all encompassing audience in facebook. Your cost per click is just going to be insane. You'RE GONNA be paying way too much money and not the right. People are going to be seeing or add. That's a hard one on for me. It's a lot easier than it is. You're automatically just just. Sean had random audience as well. The can really drill down university So the trick is still trying to get noticed. In the youth there's probably a few strategies the the tolls that are available advice for quite awful one of the things that would vade spring to mind. That would be really powerful. You would be dependent on your canal this already. Over your car follows site you can do look alike audiences heavy yet. We don't have a one percent Is if it's in the United States. He targeting for example I want Zanbaqa. Gordon's with between one and three million. And that's a pretty good sauce to Tanaka to the one million sauces causes sort of his ause so she already got the least. An is ever thousand faithful on the waist Then the local targeting gets pretty good bicycle ever them which will and you get a refund. You get a pretty good lead generation right out of that lookalike audience on then has revealed the Ryen late then Can they redone and again. You're more focused as you go. That's qualified to do it if you already have beauty's in the audience than have to get pretty Pretty Clever Mortis have done that. A little bit of experimented with the lookalike audience and it could be You know I think some. The people that listened to the podcast aren't always necessarily the ones that sign up for the newsletter. So if you're listening to this please sign up to the newsletter because you'll get a lot of valuable input and OUGHTA weekly tests. No that's very good point and so- congrats on being able to narrow that down your group and being able to have that those really targeted ads. I know that facebook leads platform is nice. Because they don't have that additional click to make like you said and even foregoing that additional landing page that people have to land on to fill out their email address. Just just that one step means huge conversions because I've done it the other way around browse driving it to landing pages back before the lead. ADS came out. And you you lost thirty. Fifty percent of the people just threw that one click then is low and I notice that you've got a lot of athletes that have received received view copies of your merchandise and they put up some favorable reviews. I know a lot of the other people that have been on. The show here have used influencers before to help them with their marketing. Talk a little bit about that. How was your strategy and getting that going? I didn't have a specific strategy. Have views of things running os building March Sweden follow science on and A few of the context might on twitter so I noticed that an athlete would follow me on twitter. Hopefully brand on twitter came across plus all that any any financially on you will Or appropriate that play would follow the brand on twitter Autzen of a direct message siege inside. Hi Wow you know. Look I'm really flattered and humbled luck the brand whatever and I'm just that citation for them and then done generally but I didn't have contractual obligations to to wear certain Todd Tarot then Duffy stocked to get braced off for me. So that's KINDA ON A. How did it on twitter? There was another at used on my IPAD. Tiny available on apple devices brand snow so Branston divisively eprivacy rifle. Up is a few of the verandah similar infected to sign up to another one last night which I forgot. Quyen ranch moments it's Khanna Black. Come Tinder teamed up yes. That's what I was trying. I don't think of not that. I know what that is by the way. I'm just going to throw that out there. I don't know what I'm happily married man. Branch Novas Vince knows very similar. Tina's Slot Swath Alexa Lot rod and and that can help you get in touch with influences as well and just tagging table you think synthetic tikos. I'm Komo think might be interested in your product so if you are someone on on someone. Interestingly someone's report later in field then this I guess you can always try approaching gently lifted anything have a strong enough story gentle friendly enough attitude. I guess you can get some traction correct as well but generally not do that in this really is people that thing family. He'd have gone on Right what's up all the time. It's not like twitter where twitter you'll have random people you've never heard of just sending your DM's with Lincoln. It's like you want to be added to my network and I don't even I've never met you before vice deny that you're just trying to sell them something right until about being with you reprise so a a lot of influencers especially if they're at the celebrity level wants something in return in addition to free product and I think at least from what I've seen the influencers that are at the early and middle stage stage of their influence or careers right where they might be semi celebrity status or less than celebrity status. They might only have. Let's say one hundred thousand followers or something like that. They're way way more inclined to get you know to produce a review in exchange for product. And it they probably would even from what I've seen again have better returns on your investment. Because they have a better connection to their people than some of these megastars that you would think you know that some some popular celebrity in your space who has five million followers if they just mentioned you once that might not really work as much or as well as Some of these smaller level influencers. That are easier to even approach de autograph everything you said Yup van that the the thankful with yeah I guess if you use a hundred thousand pump. The paper with less than a hundred thousand followers had much higher engagement. I think he got pointed. It's very hot to study guide with audience because of this. Probably it's not spoil them guy in the one hundred thousand but the people in that in that spice then still ovarian guides for the audience. I responded label when I brought to them on Instagram for example like that respond in a good story about like what it just generally mortgage with finesse when they feel like they know who the person with the neither one of Ben. That's basically what makes people more comfortable Louise listening to them and taking loss and bicycling advice on on the recommendation that I feel like I really not even more in touch with them. Then it's still the holidays to get that conversion. Yeah and that's interesting last. We left your practice element story here. You'd launch your kickstarter. Were there any parallel so that with with creating this connection with your backers that you've thought were really helpful. That helped him campaign. was there any techniques that you use maybe certain types of video certain types of ways of connecting with your audience. That really helped to get some of that response that you were looking for you know. For example. Some guests that have been on the show have said that the life style video that shows the product in use have fared a lot better than the making of video which used to be a really popular way behind behind the scenes. How this is made is now maybe second in popularity to You know show me a a one minute. Cut of the various ways of using this product brought brought back. I am well I need one. Video had very limited budget and it was just a Three minutes of what I've done in one st for match wjr and within the various lost all shots and there was a looking into you stall shot of me talking to the camera sort of telling people about what I Donovan thought. It was good thing. And why did you help Zaid. That was kind of the anti but I really have a comparison any anything to sort of cross US reference that we will go aside Data leave the China proacting use as opposed to being might. It is but Yeah I haven't I haven't moved onto that those videos or anything yet fair enough. Where any lessons that you've learned that you can pass onto other people about the kickstarter campaign that You know the were really helpful for you to kind of close those last minute deals. Did you find that you had a surge of funding funding towards the end during the beginning or was it pretty even along the way did you have to tweak anything along your campaign to kind of get more performance out of the IT'S A. It's a long road I'm Mark Campaign was thirty days. I think that's a bad Everett's might be on the lowest average for the length of a campaign but the same guys on river. And that's what's prompting you'll saw from. The Assad is mice short old showed enough if he does too long. It's caught up to the the excitement even interesting. What's really go to bed? Running kicks out of campaign is is the sense of urgency that you really creates and that sense of urgency. The fact it's gotTa find out here. It'd Maine's that people have to act now. The guy to miss out on the offer if without that agency then people decide that Or there's a lot less incentive for them to act. That can do it like if I want to make it now. So that's the benefit of running exotic campaign when you mentioned having a sense of urgency and I've also heard other people say that as well in terms of how they structure the product pricing for their kickstarter like they're trying to make some of these rewards to be enticing enough to where you know that this company isn't going to produce anything at that price level again and so you need to jump on it now because it's You know it's at least thirty percent offer. Whatever that is the retail price of? Did you find that to be true. Yes yeah once the crossing was gone there was a lot less interest in the product appetite for the yet those bill less people going to the side. I've seen a few Successful Cesspool campaigns where they were a few different ts Eliot crossing sided. Maybe three different levels as Birds Than Bird in Alabama and then takes that Mitch Discount to the retail cross. So yeah maybe having to tease of early Alibaba Eh and then the kickstart across at making very clear that the kick-started processes still saw discount from the end retail for us that was probably the Argumentation argumentation. I did notice. The initial interest is allies but the heat in the festive type is off quite a lot from the and that's due to the fact that you have all this hop around for launch and spans always paypal with a really interesting and you parked in February decided that I wanna Blat will contribute t project before you the motion. So you've seen all your all of your email list based in all of your facebook twitter. Follow everything to the campaign essentially launch it and Dave Logan Yep So once that initial surge is gone after the festival yet al as you try and find ways to take the interest gambling and get the campaign and taking along and that's what sort of surge isn't ascendancy But sort of not really WANNA run up to that campaign press d did some. After the first two days in why I can't from memory I think we got through two thousand dollars or something and after thirty days It finished it about forty three thousand dollars aside. There are still a long way to go after that first couple of days. That was definitely the fastest hurting period and the way to continued interest. Was a addict number of some of the campaign with some businesses that had followed in that space and Iran knocking campaigns rantings on facebook and had different influences pushing the product on the channels at various points throughout the campaign as swells Age should have one had its own little surge as went alone and by simply once a week on my realistic end citing you give them update and say hey. Can you go out there and push no. That's great great advice so I know when we first talked talked to for you to come on the show. You just finished wrapping up the campaign and you needed some much. Deserved are so now. You're going to be fulfilling. Some of those orders. Are you going to be fulfilling killing them yourself or do you have some third party film lined up. I've got potty go up I'm trying to build a business. That's his who one of a better word as automated as it's possible but I just had had rival. It's a fully automated prices because of WANNA lose touch with the customer but at at the moment is a as the sole trader by. WanNa keep the men els as low as possible thoughts manageable especially with full time day job. Yes right so if I and have the orders come in and medically guide to the performance way where the picked impacted shifts without having to actually really do anything. Then that's probably plan. So that's what I'm sitting up at the moment having Bat Contact Madonna lose touch point with the customer sales. Gallstone eight to add personalization in For the the way I'm doing it is still not what set in stone because I'm writing for those lost few records to come in and finish pillow in becket to tell. Tell me what I want and wait. I leave and things are once. I have all of the data house on either. The strategy that I'm going to take a few big shipment fulfillment businesses Mrs. That are getting used to handle everything but probably by tight that strategy of context in the United States and in the ACI and into Australia. I think I'll probably send them. Ole Ole two separate businesses denies countries with three main centres. Full Marcus activist when customers. Come from right yeah. So I'll have the impact in John Ineffectual where they might and then shipped shipped in bulk to the country's those guys and then fulfilled. Is the smaller house. Talk a little bit about your strategy. For how how many units are going to buy in the beginning as you mentioned that you sold about three hundred through your crowdfunding campaign But that might not be that that break even in point that you need to for a large order for the manufacturer to start the work. And I'm sure you'd want to sell some through your ecommerce site as well so talk a little bit about your sizing housing for first order and what you're basing on Zion. The kicks out campaign was to allow me to develop reproduce the coffee February. Tom I wanted to produce Janas have made the call the fabric polity credits on fats. It was in a trial. A trial fabric could of action which is a very small. Ron was any sort of fifty minutes of ever again saw and Zeiss. How much interestingly fabric manufacturer to produce the small runs Detects a Lotta time to sit up the the knitting and whatnot and once I've attended on attend all strata wise go fifty fifty February. I'm not very beneficial for them to do any. Any trial runs really any business US said the very limited on that though they'll do trial runs until eyesight on Don Jr.'s. Because his cost US money getting anybody. You gotta be right Few off at upheaval. The trial rounded student is not a cost-benefit Said I signed to a future. AUSE foyer then you have to produce Talwar Kicks that was too. I'm away to produce the fabric Grenada. and to produce it in a corner on edited to doing to actually the fabric by the fabrics thing night. Nail it's night in bulk so I'll have a sitting can produce the gallon of whenever on doing whatever of a quantity to produce and that's one of the advantages of money got any factors that are can produce one or I've been Virginia veils and it's not the deal That's great that especially with your sizing because you're going to have somebody different sizes between men. Women children exactly by offering children children sausages yet that Murray Jan attracted some damn saws. Extra smolder fought example as well because a lot of sprains than over boy but a in the lodge up to excel side. That's another nation market can take advantage of the plan is to because I'll have a fabric in all the equal promotions sitting in available ready to guard the planet's reduce basically ten fifteen percent more than the kickstarter order in it read sauce and and have that sitting ready together in the way houses. So that way I haven't bicycle ship cover the cost of title and win by knocking products. Online ecommerce off. Then I'll be out of the straightaway when I start to sell out then and that will trigger production of the mole. Talk about that a little bit with you. Know your route of size of the kickstarter order versus What you need to keep going? You mentioned that it's allowing you to purchase your custom material. That are you breaking even with your kickstarter campaign or is it basically and investment into a larger operation operation or are you even making a little bit of profit on it to where you can feed that back into the business now is the non as Don divisively gripe haven on producing reducing over Fabri and producing our. It's okay so that's that's where the numbers rats the findings once finished the case Outta garments. I will breaking even on the production and the production and then The the excess leased producing packaging redoing the website which I'm in the process of doing it and that sort of thing cy but when it's all said and done all gates who are those about the I'll have the fabric and out of that should be great Prophet Prophet but some either factoring posted. It'll be right now that's great. I imagine that as you're going through this process you've probably looked at various fulfilment methods. Like you said you've got places around the world to fulfil kickstarter now now your Your fulltime Philmont options and you looked at Amazon at all or are you know you know you're going to focus on your rolling your own e commerce store of Amazon John. It's not some. It's kind of big behemoth that I it's like Vadodara. Pocket Amendment is a lot of information at their bed. How best to sell and Amazon battle haven't read any and it's something that I don't have time to do it but I do? I've I've done a lot of reading about buying marketing learning about some full. That sort of things that Just running my marketing campaigns and Szeliga the drinking traffic to my any of still having said that It's ninety letter in the era of a look at them as well but At this point it'll just be mining. Still run on on looking at the two employs themselves reps and Ginkgo distribution partners. Yeah and some guests that we've had on the show had really great luck actually with employing commission only sales rep that represent similar products. Or they already have those types of connections in the industry and it would just be taking on your line and so so. In addition to mentioning other people's products whenever they make a visit to a buyer they would basically dropping worse. Yes that's the that's all before for a guy as thing I'll be seeing on is thompson strategies and it's a lot easier for me to have one thousand Celtic who various people London division honor who by one hundred gallons at the time then to seltzer different table absolutely itself yes. D'Amato was allowed because reading united middleman and whatnot had still Tan Benefit is still heavily widen in fibers selling them as opposed to one. Well Tim I really appreciate you showing your story you know as we walk through this half with you. You've definitely shared some of the et misteps along the way that you've had some struggles but also some of the huge wins and I think that's indicative of taking any products. Mark is that you're going to have to interrupt a bit. You know. Go back a a step forward a step. Can you share your parting tip for someone. That's kind of in the place that you were before you launch your kickstarter on that still kinda struggling struggling with taking their idea to market but a couple of tips rather don't say much but probably the easiest thing for me is on in the business to make profit in the business too nice to benefit more than just myself my business and my must strongly is that a if you're just in the business and just for money then try and integrate something industry in your strategy to benefit someone else. People are more willing. Not only businesses health will say Iran since obeying and your purpose that it definitely pies dividends and Milwaukee. The people are more willing to contribute to blaffer is or your practice actually doing something good. So my my practice All the most environmentally friendly harmfulness Powell said that some people consider giving Han. It's the my sacred family. Stop what we thought I also products Contribute to charities in Australia and in South Africa so I guess a tip is is that exactly in paypal among willing to say to you you money fueled by that is GonNa win more than just thus gone your pocket and the thought of that is there. Would you get from helping someone in charity Is You know it's more awarding in this getting in cash so as Muslim Croat tiffin. I'm sure One of the reasons for the success of the heat out of campaign as well because they were holender share because of his doing something for the planet good for the charity. The other is the test so the facebook marketing discussing cool. I used to program core at with that familiar with it. Yeah so aspects. I've had a university university in with I teach you how to use the tool knighted you techniques on how to refund your Odeon settle stuff you get a free that he dies Testing use you. Use the tool is the freight that he dies two on dual the university videos online. About and You can instead of inviting the facebook told us you can only do one at a time in espresso you can split test up to about one hundred fifty ads at once and I attack at the amount of time to build that one ad so offend that a really powerful tool for my facebook marketing and they also have people who help you refine your ads and give you tips on wife if things things our games and things odds and what you might do to refund your ads as well so that was a great tool and that -fensive that her helped a lot De ed Espresso Tim. Thanks a lot for all the tips that you gave us As people listen to you. I'm sure some of them are cycling. Go to the gym. They WANNA buy some the year. We're working they go to make a purchase you can guy to double double La Dot Com. Today you are are are well thanks again for coming on the show my pleasure having you on and thanks again for being so transparent and I hope to hear from you and six or twelve months down the line. We'd like to have you back on on the show and to give us a five ten minute update about what type of progress you've made especially in the B. Two C. E. Com space. Thanks I appreciate that. Let's come back Conan. That'll give me something to some accountability. Thanks very much hope that you enjoyed our conversation with Tim this week here. My three takeaways from the interview number one under stand your supply. Chain what path DEA. Raw materials take to get to the manufacturer. And how's your product made and shipped to your warehouse. If you can learn what entities are involved in your product. You'll be in a better position of influencing costs and setting up contingencies when emergencies. Come up number to build your customer list. Social networks come and go and in the case of facebook reaching your followers organically is getting more and more expensive as the network is flooded with noise. Create your customer list early on when when you first start to test the market and develop prototypes for your product. That way you can reach out to customers directly as your company grows and number three find a deeper meeting in your work work it will help push you forward when things get tough and customers will make a stronger connection with your brand. You don't have to change the world just your piece of it to quote Tim. It's more rewarding than getting cash. Of course if you'd like to get these takeaways in your inbox every week just go to the product startup dot com. Scroll to the footer and sign up to the weekly wrap up. 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Billy Corgan and Dave Lagana - Notsam Wrestling 267

Notsam Wrestling

1:25:38 hr | 1 year ago

Billy Corgan and Dave Lagana - Notsam Wrestling 267

"This week we're looking at this year's stark aid. Bray Wyatt has a new championship. Bout plus billy Corgan and Dave Laguna from the NWEA are on the show. This is not sam wrestling. Land is introducing. Sing your host from New York. Here is Sam rumors. Welcome hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving course. We last spoke on Thanksgiving but hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving weekend. Eight a lot of Turkey. Got Your Black Friday deals. Maybe you started decorating the House for the holidays but now it's back to work. I know the Monday after Thanksgiving giving weekend is always tough however the nice thing about any of you that are either working or in school is. Let's be honest. Nothing gets done between now. How and New Year's it's December? We're here star cade last night smackdown on Friday. We'll get to all of it. We'll have a state of wrestling this week. We'll get to all of that. Don't forget you can email in for the state of wrestling at not sam wrestling gmail.com. We'll get to your questions speaking of stuff that you can do in. The podcast isn't on the new youtube age is up and running. I spent a Lotta time. This thanksgiving weekend getting the not sam wrestling. You do page together. Of course we've been really really successful for the last several years The Not Sam Youtube page but I felt like what the amount of content that is being created for it and the amount of content in my brain that I think we can create for it. It started to feel very very cluttered. It also started to feel like they were you know there was content on the page that was for two different fan bases right and some people don't want any wrestling. Some people want all wrestling doing some people want both so what. I've decided to do all of the wrestling content. If you listen to this podcast twice a week at YouTube dot com slash. Not Sam make the change. All of the wrestling content is going to youtube dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling. 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Not Sam wrestling are going to be huge places for it as well as this year. PODCAST and the Sirius. XM radio show. And everything else that I've got going on in my little. Not Sam Universe verse. Speaking of of of the universe the wrestling universes forever expanding and I hear from a few of you from time to time on twitter. That say you know you do this very. WWe heavy podcast. It's always been very. WWe heavy podcast of WWE's what I've always been a fan of. WWE's what I watched so you know that's right cover. The last thing I'm GonNa do is watch a thirty second youtube clip of a new Japan show and sit there and tell you what happened at the new Japan. Show mm some kind of expert. Now I'M GONNA share my opinions on the stuff that I actually watch and enjoy but I also think that there is value in talking talking about the wrestling world as a whole and that's why I interview people like Luke Hawks who I had on last week and this week billy corgan and Dave Logan now I've been acquaintances. I would say friends friendly with Dave and especially Dave for a while now just because since the the NWEA kind of reformed under the Billy Corgan. Dave Logan banner so billy Corgan and Dave Logan met in. TNA Dave Logan who was a member of the creative team and Billy Corgan was an investor in TNA that was looking to buy the entire company obviously things went sour but the two of them hit it off respected each other in terms of their wrestling brains Raines And decided to start this thing. So what billy did was he bought the NWEA catalogue and Ip. And when I say catalog I don't don't mean video. I mean more the trademarks the Intellectual property of the belt the just the NWEA. As a name. Billy Billy Corgan was able to purchase it because people laughed at him at the time because it really wasn't looked at as something that had a lot of value and what they did. And we've had had nick aldus on the show a couple of times really like having nick on But Nick they start. Nick won the Nwea Championship and what they basically did was they had nick go show to show independent shows everywhere that he could go and defend the NWEA title so the end of you wasn't actually a promotion promotion anymore. It was just this body right so I think that the year or two that they did that because it was so different and because Nick Alba's presented it so well it brought a lot of is brought out of curiosity back to what was going on with the end of you eight also brought a lot of integrity back to the title. No I mean it helped the codes challenged and won the NWEA championship. I think it all in and nick appeared on on ring of honor and nicotine nicotine everywhere for a period of time. But what Billy Corgan who billy Corrigan's one of my favorite stories. Because there are so many the people that are not wrestling fans that I interact with that they go. I've heard that billy corgan is a wrestling fan. Is that true because they from the smashing pumpkins and I'm like a wrestling fan. Billy Corgan is a die hard. Billy corgan bleeds this stuff like the rest of us so much so that he found himself in the position that he's in and decided to by the end of UA create something new in wrestling and that's what they're doing nwea power is so nwea power for those of you. That haven't seen it. I've brought it up once or twice here on the podcast. I know a lot of you. Have they talked about it a lot in the discord room. That's exclusive for our Patriot members as well as on twitter and stuff like that. I always hear you guys talking about watching it so I know a lot of you are but NWEA power power is basically a return to studio wrestling. It's it's really great. Because it's this throwback to sort of late seventies early as eighty TV studio NWEA wrestling. But it's done with stars of today and maybe a couple of star you haven't seen in a while and it's done in a way that that is somewhat tongue in cheek in there is some irony to it but it still takes seriously what's going on it takes The product takes itself seriously while still finding the humor in the fact that in two thousand nineteen. They're doing this. TV studio wrestling. I I think it's great. I think it's different. I love what I love whether it's in wrestling whether it's in film whether it's in music everywhere I love when I can tell. That creator of a product has a vision. I loved it in technology. Twi loved apple for so long. Because you you feel you could see you could taste steve jobs vision when you got these apple products and you can good filmmaker as you're watching the film you can see what the filmmakers vision and successful or not you can at least see that he had a vision here because there's so many people that create things with no vision doing either for the sake of creating it or because they're there you know trying to capitalize on a trend or trying to make a quick buck or whatever it is you can always tell the difference and billy corgan and Dave Levante on Dave Laguna have a very clear precise thought through vision. And they're sticking to it and it's succeeding and and it's been really really great so far I will tell you that. This interview took place a couple of days before the episode air where Jim Cornet Ornette made his Ethiopian. KFC joke obviously. If this interview happened after that I would have talked to Dave and billy about how something like that happens. It being taped show how to somebody not catch that earlier and you know and and and and everything every every question that there is because you said there you go. We'll of course Jim Cornet should've known better. But it being taped show of course it should never have made the air and I don't know but I didn't get a chance to ask those questions because this interview took place like it might have been the day of that episode airing. I think it was the morning of of that episode airing so we don't tackle that topic because it wasn't a topic at the time of this conversation but we tackle just it's about everything else. We talked about the fact that they're moving to pay per view. We talk about what's going on with their youtube channel. We talk about the the vision for making money behind it. Everything you've ever wanted to know as well as what went into picking the stars of Twenty Thousand Teens. Nwea the legacy the whole thing. It's a really interesting conversation with two guys in wrestling who I really like talking to. Dave Laguna Billy Corgan together on not Sam. AM wrestling the not sam wrestling interview. I'm really happy to be doing this in studio the minds. The creative minds lines everything really behind what the NWEA is in two thousand nineteen and really over the last. I guess two years three years something something like that. Yeah Billy Corgan Dave Logan together and I mean I is this our first caller. We've never done. I talked to Sam like do you want us both breath and sound a dirty and I thought we would all right. Why don't you usually do 'em together like do you? Shy Away from where we're just not in the same place very often. I so you know if if I'm doing an interview he's usually in studio or vice versa and we try to kind of Split. The difference that makes sense spread You can hit the most ground that you guys have it to be so happy with what's gone on with power because it feels like one of these things that just let's put it on Youtube and see if it works and I mean if you look look at the week to week numbers. They're amazing if you look at the fan reaction both from fans and from people within wrassling everybody everybody is just like fallen in love with the show feels like it's been a real pleasure and a and a revelation. Because you know you you can you can guess ask what you have but until you see real numbers real real response you don't really know We're really proud that we trusted our talent to be in that situation because has You know it is a situation because of the live audience and the nature of how things go these days with social media where you can totally fall on your face. We had. We had to calculate that there are going to be those moments is that just don't work on but we're willing to take that chance and I think tha wentz talent saw the crowd reaction in the vibe in the studio to what we were doing You can almost see. They're they're light. Start to go on like Oh this is kind of fun. This is different and then by the second day the talent was completely invested. And I think the shows have gotten better because you see the talent to buy in and And we're about to enter another taping cycle. You have to pay per view on December fourteenth tapings on the fifteen sixteen December and so We're looking for because now we feel like we. We kind of know what we have. And and I think the talent Alad will come in even with the More excited attitude. Because I think they they're going to have a better idea what they WANNA do in that environment it's It's rare that you get people to show up without really knowing what they're getting into. Even the people that bought tickets to our first show. They didn't know what they're getting into and we had said something defective. We don't even know what's going to happen. There are a lot of situations like the question question. Mark the audience reaction to the question. Mark was a one eight. We had no idea inside the the guys had figured out that the match on this week show completely completely redone in the fly to work with what the audience was doing and we couldn't stop that if we wanted to even if we wanted to try and manipulate it we just couldn't with little things to do in the promos live. Obviously the way they used to be done leaves you with moments. Where Eli Drake doing this Promo and the fans are chanting question? Mark and when he takes a pause to see what. They're chanting chanting in realizes that question mark is saying how am I head. I'm watching I'M GONNA go. How's it going to deal with this? 'cause they're like kind of doing this fun thing but he's trying to get this message across his ability to go question mark into exclamation and then get them on. His side was like yeah. This is one of those lost arts of wrestling of really on the fly. Making the audience go on the journey that you intend for them to go on the shows. Closer to Saturday night live the than pro wrestling show. As far as we can lay out Improv type environment and then what happens ends up happening and it's we just go with it and we're always tweaking the show when it's done. I think it was the second episode We had that interview interview with Camille and Nick and the Click Bait stuff and you know after after we looked at the first cut. It just doesn't work. What's reorder everything? We shot new scenes. And you know it's it's a living breathing thing I mean the show usually gets done about eleven. AM on Tuesday You know with gardening together to where it needs to be. It's it's really. It's unlike anything I've done in. Nineteen years subduing wrestling. And there's nothing like it on television. The Internet as far as the way it's being produced. Yeah how How important were the numbers? Were their expectations. Dictation for numbers because I think people also this perception of a lot of what you guys are doing especially because you're kind of the the the figurehead behind this thing. Billy people feel like well. Billy Corgan is this you know successful Rockstar. So he can ingest invest this money into this wrestling hobby and if it works then great if not. He's having a Lark. Is that well. That's that's a lot of money for alarm. Let me let me tell you. Let me tell you you know I think I've been working on the professional side of professional wrestling now going on about seven or eight years Invested a lot of time which you know if if you want to put a dollar value to my I time I mean do that math alone just you know just the meetings the the plane flights the phone calls Let me do stuff like this interview. While you're we're here to do music I mean people say where do you find time to resting and it's like it's on top of my musical life And I have a very very busy life and I'm also a parent so I love it. I love the business and planet being successful in the business And the people I talked to behind the scenes you know You know I talked to some of the biggest companies. He's in the world now if I get that phone call because I mea- You know I'm on that phone call to figure out how to create a business model that there'd be attracted to it's not because they just WanNa talk to me right. I don't WanNa waste these people's time and they certainly don't want to waste my time so I think that that that narrative of like you know the somebody playing being in the sandbox of wrestling. I think that's quickly rooted and most notable thing I'd point to his I'm not on the product you know you don't see my face every five seconds. I'm not out there cutting promos. Almost I don't even want to be on the product. I can help it because I really wanted to be talent Now this is this is you know. Look I love I love the NWEA. I love the the opportunity that presents but it is a business and we plan on being very successful in it and you know we talk about a twenty year plan. So we're very excited about the numbers we've had because has it's better than we could have hoped And it's not just that you know there. There are raw numbers you know. Everybody can point to but You know my The PUMPKINS put album in two thousand seven. That went gold. You know sold over five hundred thousand copies in an environment works hard to sell five hundred thousand copies but people in the record. So how what. What good were the numbers you know? the good news is that people really really like the NWEA power product and And we think it'll as it gets better we'll attract a bigger audience and we're very much geared towards a more mainstream audience because that's where we see the real growth those laps fans those people are not in the resting bubble fouling everything that somebody's tweeting There's a huge huge audience out there that wants classic professional wrestling done in the modern style. And we plan going after that at that segment and bring them back to the table because it's a strong economy but it's not as strong as it should or could be. Yeah it's interesting that you say that because I've watched when I've watched the show I watch it on my laptop my phone or whatever and my wife kind of walk in the room and she's not a wrestling fan an at all but she's married to have some other some other place to go so there can be something else thing eh but obviously she's more familiar with this world than just about anyone who could ever say that they're not a fan and just in hearing and she wasn't watching it at all but just just in hearing and as she walked by she was hearing the promos and she was like well. That sounds different. It was almost like and she didn't want to say because you want to be disrespectful folded anybody but her reaction was. Oh I guess that's what they're supposed to sound like you know and I think that I think that real quick people figure out when watching. Yeah sorry to jump in on this but I feel like I have been saying it for years but you know. UFC effectively took the classic rusting Promo from a model and they brought it into the modern world. And how are they able to to add real fuel to it. Well the promos at least allegedly were real bright right. It was a real fight and there were real consequences. Of course once I saw about forty you have see fights where the guys were hugging at the NFL viciously cutting each other up and promos. I started realizing the guys had figured out that by working Conor McGregor being a great example by working they could sell more tickets more power to them. Everything is professional wrestling as we in the rain. Especially when you literally earlier watching UFC. And you're hearing superstar Billy Graham or you're hearing the rock. Yeah I bless God bless but what I what I felt was that the wrestling business as a whole was slow to adapt adapt to the new pace. That you have see it set right and I think by bringing it back to that kind of unscripted in your face. Hey Maybe I'm going to stumble over my words but there's real emotion behind it. That will sell this better than if I give this perfectly delivered soliloquy which somebody's not buying in the fourteenth row because it just sounds like somebody else wrote it not the person talking So I I'm all about it. I mean people ask How much of our promos her scripted and the answer is they're not? We literally just talents bullet points and say go out and say whatever you want to say and in most cases there's not even a time limit. Just go out there and just cut your Promo and if you're on a row keep going right don't there's n- like just go the perfect example. Is Tim Storm on the first show. Tim's that uncle you just really hope does well. You know there was a great tweet tweet. Somebody said Tim's the father I never had that. I don't WanNa disappoint and you know that first Promo he starts to quote Eminem in a way that just like what and he's so so likeable and the people love him that it's just it comes across and that's you know we. We told him. Hey this is what we're looking for. And he just did it and like I said our show could be twelve minutes or could be fifty nine minutes and fifty nine seconds. We're not bound by anything. And I think that's really the cool part if something comes out of the show it's out of the show because it's not good for the pace or the character you know we don't have to hit three hours. We don't have two hours and I think that allows our towns too just to feel free to go. How hard is it to find this line between Wean the kitsch of doing all school thing and almost the humor value in it and creating something that people are taking seriously fantastic question I would say we're entering a world where there really is no line anymore We have a president that cuts promos. you know I I watch You know quote Unquote Real Sports. And they're cutting wrestling promos. I watch Very very very talented people in the wrestling business cut very very serious promos and then I look on their social media and they're hugging backstage because they went to do something that was really admirable. LEICA A charity event. Or something so are we supposed to believe the not believe than believe or not believe. Are we supposed to always live in the universe. I I think Hollywood isn't a good example of they. They gave up that ghost long ago. There was a time between the nineteen teens. In the nineteen fifties were Hollywood stars. Ars were really protected. They since they were always kafe eight mode right they they were. They made sure they didn't look or do anything. That was out of character with what the public wanted to believe because it was good for business and then of course. They lost control of the narrative. With the coming of the modern of a media You know tabloid the National Inquirer stuff like that. So I think we're in a world now where I guess I would say it and it's not a dodge of the question. I just say if you believe that you believe it and if you don't you don't and it's really more on the talents to make you believe I used to. I used to meet people in airports in the nineties. That would be disappointed because I like basketball because they wanted me to be in some kind of goth sad state all the time because that was the character that they believed moved into the music and I always would kind of Bristle at that like. Why can't I also be a human being who's who's funny and dumb and silly and jerk you know like a human beings? Things are very complex individuals. I think entertainment tends to dumb things down. I would lean towards more sophistication so yeah. There are times when I watch our programming. We're like we're right on the line line of what is this. Yes and I think that's a and I and I'm not taking it as critique but I'm saying that's a criticism worth considering like where is the line You know we we turn to each other during this tapings and we said this is like a weird combination of springer and Georgia Championship. Live or something like we're entering some sort of new territory three and I don't think I don't think we have enough data to say what is what isn't isn't working. But I can tell you and I don't mean this criticism of other people's products. I have have a hard time as arresting fan in in in twenty nineteen believing that the same people that I saw on social media hugging backstage are now in some massive blood feud MHM So either there's gotta be some contrivance that I buy into that takes me on a particular journey and humorous part of that journey then fine. But there's gotta be some contrivance livens that doesn't ask me completely suspend disbelief when the chance of me doing that because they're acting ability isn't that great and they don't have the contrivance a major motion picture CGI thing happening around them and they can shoot lightning out of the ends of their fingers. Or something I just feel like it's I. I'm I'm not answering the question. What what I'm saying? The world is so amorphous. I don't think we have those answers yet. yeah I mean I think that you watch and they get does a good job because that's something that was watching for is A. There's plenty of tongue in cheek stuff whether it's in the ads you know or or whatever it is but then when you start getting the story part part of it whether it's in the promos or in the matches themselves and the commentators and everything you fall into the story so you you're not in that tongue-in-cheek world anymore and then I start to look at it differently and I look at Lake The nickel this commercial for the video game and I go. Yeah like this is obviously funny and completely tongue in cheek. But it's it's still the same character that I believe in so like somehow I'm in this kind of weird vortex where this thing I can acknowledge is like okay. This is irony but it's the character still. Yeah I would say look let's see. Let's use an example of of Michael Jordan or Lebron Lebron James Can. I believe that they're they're they're able to do charity. Can I believe that there are killer on the basketball court when the when the when the you know when they when they blow the first whistle to start are at the game Can I can. I believe that they're capable of being. He'll and a baby face depending on the situation. Can they be serious when they need to be serious and can they be silly when they need to be silly. You know the fact that Peyton manning did funny commercials did that take away from his ability to win a super bowl You know what I'm saying like I think we live in a different world now where you have to. I guess what I would say is if you believe in the person navigating the the car of the personality whether it's worked worked or not Are you willing to take that journey and I would say the rough edges around like did the girl really shoot the Dragon. Out of the sky. And Game of thrones will. That's that's that's gets into like the idea of like. Are you a marketing. Are you willing to believe something. which is patently not real? Does it make sense. Yeah it's like yeah it's like where where where whereas your line of mark them because there was even that moment in the that Camille Knicks down the second show him and I turned to him. It was like I don't even know what we're looking at like. It's so like here's the is going. Why isn't she talking? We know she can talk. Yeah so now it leaves a lot more questions and I think the upside for us as we leave a lot up to the audiences interpretation the end of last last week show was half a fix of something that didn't work constricted down-time wise to make it feel important. But then I looked at the youtube numbers. We had a giant giant spike of people. Going back to watch that one moment trying to figure it out a mistake or something that we didn't love ended up becoming something that people were very curious on and it moves forward awards so it's unlike anything else where in my time and WBZ every moment is decided from you. Lift your left hand here. You put your right foot here. It's it's laid out. There's we find moments and if it doesn't work we take it out or we expand upon it or we just go with it and I think that's where it allows this universe to feel completely different. Yeah it's really nice the The storytelling retelling mechanism. I think allows that more with you guys than just about anything else in the sense that you can like you said you can do. Two days of tapings that will cover six weeks or whatever's GonNa cover and then kind of take that footage and if you wanNA tell a different story with the new originally intended you Kinda can or if you have a moment like you had where this this is a mistake in the fans are thinking it's this thing you can now go. Okay let's let's Kinda follow that wave. Let's let's go with them. How often do you see yourself doing that? I think it just depends on obviously You know these shows were constructed in a bubble and until we walked in the room until the room was built in. We both walked the room and we had an idea of what it would look like but in I was there from the the moon was emptied a completely until he showed up in that documentary. We did we kind of start to feel it and like when he walked in and then like then when talents walked in there was a discussion on music. Nick even up until five minutes before nick and Tim went out they were wondering. Do we have music. And we're like he he was very steadfast. He's like no just try. It and that awkwardness became came part of the thing and then nobody thinks about it now and I think it's great. I think the same thing with the ring announcements where it's not that like ring announcer voice. It's because it takes you those little details tales that do take you back. What focuses on the talent? It's really a very raw performance of them and I think as a talent you want that and for us. It's what we can offer for. We cannot offer the same money that Tony Kahn invents offer. We can't offer the same exposure that this network of that does but we can offer a chance to really be a fully formed and all all the people on the show are here for a reason and they're not somewhere else for a different reason. In those those thoughts collide neuron goes. Oh why isn't that. He can Eddie Kingston been on. TV for ten years. Yes and then but you see his talent. There's nobody who can talk like him and the same with Eli Nick and James Storm and everybody. It's like it's such a full roster of guys that should be other places uses but here it works very well. Was it your idea for homicide to wear the NWEA. I think there was obviously brilliant. It's completely brilliant. How did you pick the talent when you guys started because you know we've all had conversations about what? NWEA was when you guys started it. And it was really I tim storm. Obviously but nick aldus going showed a show downtown and just kind of representing the brand when you guys go okay. We're GONNA DO TV tapings. We're GONNA start to build this into a promotion and you do see people that you're familiar with. I mean obviously being on the East Coast Eddie Kingston Homicide Thunder Rosa but then to see. Trevor Murdoch pop to see you know Sando pop up again to see these guys is that I wasn't sure if they were even still around doing stuff. What was the process of picking? Who's going to be on these shows where we take kind of a you know we call it like the Bella check? Patriots Approach It's more of a team concept. Can you put these pieces together. So they're complementary so everybody benefits it's You know if we were to top heavy and you had such a four level talents and everybody else was basically there to sell for the level talents. I don't I think that's a product worth watching So my thought is is and I you know. Cutting I'm paraphrasing the Patriots idea. You WanNa find those talents in the market that are undervalued undervalued and by presenting them at their top value. The natural reaction of fan watching is like. Oh this is kind of interesting. This is this. There's more here than I thought and I they have that reaction and I'm sitting there and I've helped put it together right trevor. Murdoch who I was a fan of when he was in the. Wwe David called me and said what do you think about using my said absolutely really love is size definitely can work. What's he been doing lately? And we we talked about that as soon as you see him on the television. It's like there it is. Yeah there's that experience there's there's there's a reason he got over when he was over. You know it's right there in front of you You know we we. Don't you know because we respect trevor's position in in the business we're not asking to jump through forty five hoops and prove anything to us. He doesn't have to prevent this. He's there because we already believe in them Yeah we neck and I went to Harley race's funeral and he was there I I pulled him aside after I said what are you doing like what are you. Don't like what he's like work here and as A. Why aren't you wrestling? Does the business passing buys no. It hasn't said come to Atlanta. Goes where we even do it. So I don't know figure it out as an agent you'll just I've known them literally from WBZ. He was the one of the first guys I worked out of outside of the wwe and he just cares is a great trainer and and it's his details and when you look at his matches he has such details to what he does and the matchy has with Nick. Tonight is just unbelievable. Unbelievable piece of business is the best way to describe it. And there's a place in the market for this for us and where it goes. That's the best part of this has been our literary our journey since we escaped. TNA Like a plot from escape from New York it You know it allowed us. We we have no they were just kind of where I would say. We're building this plane as we fly using duct tape spitting bubblegum and sometimes a hole inside of the plane. And we just gotTa we'll we'll put Josephus the whole and see what happens you know. It's it's it's unlike anything and I think that's why it works. 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Not Sam or dial pound law on your cell phone. That's pound five two nine four. The people dot com forward slash. Not Sam for a free no obligation consultation. There's only one Morgan and Morgan when you guys did it your grand escape. TNA Did you do it together with this in mind not necessarily all this but just sort sort of like. Let's kind of lead this and see or were you both just two individuals going to definitely separate because his reason for leaving was You know he had Invested one point eight million dollars To lovely southern southern lady who Was We call it. Game of thrones. He was working six sides to keep yourself in play I. I was watching as an employee when they literally they fired him. The day after the cubs won the world series and he was at the game I called him and said I think you just got fired They sent a mass mass emails. Like Boy or any of that and so I got a phone call a four hours after from my boss saying They they WANNA know what you plan to do. Aw I said I'm employees have done nothing wrong. I plan on being here and so I talked to him the next day and I said well this is what I'm thinking and and I went to John Gabor ex house and along with Matt Conway was my writing partner and I said I'm probably leaving. And just let him know because he's the only person that he and I really trusted trusted there the whole time and he's like well. Listen my wife's having a baby in six weeks I can't leave yet. I said that's fine. I'm just letting you know we're going. I go to quit To My boss at the time John Gabor at Texture Matt Conway. My wife just went to labor like literally six weeks early and he's like like two weeks as well that was the signing to leave. Yeah so you know. It was my decision I I gave up a six figure salary for no guarantee. We didn't start doing anything until thirty days in January and we didn't start at the end of June but it was decision to not sit in negative energy and that company is right very bad negative energy. Yeah it was kind of a situation where it was so I really hope someday. Somebody writes a book about that company. Because I it would make it would make a case study in sociopathic behavior earlier and bad business which you know and and certainly my head should be examined for trying to buy the company about but that said Ed But that said when we came out of that situation I think both was kind of took a deep breath and said okay. Well we obviously have a desire. We've seen enough energy in the and remember. This is all before all the elite stuff and all this right like particularly with the holidays and the deletion series. We saw that there was kind of a new voice voice in wrestling. That that wanted to be heard We saw enough energy for the things that we did get over in That there was a new type of wrestling fan out there that wanted something slightly different so we started there. We at least had that empirical information and then we sat there and said okay. Do we want even do something and if we did what would it look like Nick And we just kind of you know we rotated around ideas and eventually settled on the idea that maybe buying an August brand like the NWF would be a good place to start Because you know in essence the the story is already within it and then once we got into all that and we had to start untangling all the massive problems that were left from what was the Nwea away and then of course then we had to turn to the marketplace and talk to people like you and sort of explain what we are trying to do and because it didn't necessarily fall into the year we're running shows and and you know we're on the network you never heard of and all that stuff people would kind of look at us not saying you but people look at us like don't really understand how that's GonNa work because it wasn't the conventional conventional wisdom. It wasn't the thing that anybody had done before. I got a lot of you know you know. The rest of the bubble has its way of talking Not Nestle with a unified voice but you kind of get a message. The message which I got from it in the beginning was will. If you're not going to blow money were not that interested. In essence blowing money equals activity. Yeah and I'm like but I just came from a situation situation. Is Somebody blowing money and you see where that went right In back to the teenage thing for a second think of the amount of money TNA actually spent through the years I don't know how much they spent his accompany. Couple of hundred million You know for a for a brand name. They kept trying to change but would never pull the trigger They had incredible opportunities to actually move forward in the market and see blow themselves up every time they would actually get some traction. So you know the idea that you that's blowing money equals pulls Some sort of success You know so we kind of had a weather that first storm of like what is it. What was it is? Do you think that the wrestling bubble thinks that blowing money any is success. Or do you think there's something about the wrestling bobble that says oh there's money over here if I can get behind this. Maybe they can have some of it. I think it's a bit Ab- Oh yeah It's proof of concept separate. You know. Well you're not serious unless you're blowing money and if you're if you're not blowing money than you must not be serious We realized that You know that marketing was gonna be the key If you remember there were podcasts. That came out today that we announced that that I bought the NWEA brand name would he by by way. Let me interject the brand. Dan was so worthless on the open market. The wwe didn't even want it and they could. They could have had it for a song and just thrown it in their in their integrated and they're storehouse of of of brand names that they own that they don't do anything right. They could have got it with. They had talked to Bruce tharp about buying the Houston Library that we have license on and they decided wasn't even worth as a throw in on. This library decided not even to buy right so it could have just been by the name. Throw the title in the warehouse down. Yeah and You it's been a lot of hard work and it's been us you know. Our team has been very small. And we if you if you see my DMZ amount of people that are looking for work at. I I have the same people. Email me every time we make an announcement and then I don't hear from them like Billy says untold there. There's money and you know a lot of our a lot of people who are on our our show believe in us I would say ninety eight percent of the people that we booked on the show never asked about the money. The one when we booked him it wasn't about the money was about the opportunity you but we communicated that to them and they understood that this is a real chance to do something completely different and you know if we would have booked a four thousand seat arena and paper bird it and and done just what everybody else did. I don't think it would have the impact and as much as its retro. He said to me last week on last week's show the show feels like it's instagram. Where you're literally segment by segment going through? And it's designed that way as as retro a disease we live in a communication world where people watch things thirty seconds to ninety seconds to two minutes at the time and only our main event is longer than a normal segment. You know. What's great is the little details that there's no dead space between transitions nations that the transition hits as last word is still being said? Sorry to interrupt giant literally because he sends me he sends me a rough cut of the show and then I give my. I will literally right him. That on the time code and go get out a second earlier segment. I want the show to move so fast. That's what it feels like a like a you know whatever the what was that offense the The hurry up. Hurry up Ou- fan so we're like we're like the hurry up offense wrestling but never at the. It never hurts the story you know. It's like the Russo crashed. TV like it's not that and you know. Everyone has their opinion on Vince. Vince did a lot of very good unique things in the nineties. And I think the format does always need to evolve here. We took a format from the sixties seventies and eighties. And everyone's like oh it's an old school format. Yeah but it's run at a twenty twenty pace. Go Go back and watch an old Georgia championship wrestling and watch the pace of that show. Everybody thinks it's wretched you'll learn about five minutes. It ain't that I would say thirty. Seventy percent of those old shows. Those were garbage. Cable was the C.. Show you it was about the you know the syndicated show and that was just an afterthought show so taking a format and in a in a communication platform. Youtube is an afterthought for ninety percent of wrestling companies. Right it's it's we'll just put that on youtube the worse when I was at w w was take everything off Youtube and because a lot of big companies viacom all fought this this this wave that were going and were early late to this this format you know there are a lot of very talented. Youtubers are making a lot of money and our growth on the platform. I gave him some predictions of numbers as we keep growing. I mean we we do. Every episodes over two hundred thousand views. We have a hundred and fifty thousand subscribers. An average channel like Peter MacKinnon. WHO's a really great photographer? The is three point. Four four million followers subscribers his videos do three hundred thousand. Yeah so we're figuring out like we're getting people to come don't even aren't even you to people and you know as we grow and you get in front of more people. I think the show. We'll continue to grow and it's really interesting. It's funny as I think that the number one platform for a cord cutters that have you know. Internet live television television instead of cable is Youtube. TV So it gets to the point where you start to really blur that line of like what really makes this youtube thing and not a TV visha this kind of question but it but it will be interesting to see if we can find ourselves in a place where we don't need a network To support us if we can create a A If you remember when Tina I started with jared. They're running the pay per view model. Yes which I was interested in just from a consumer point of view was like whatever three bucks to watch an episode or whatever and I would watch a lot of them because I I wanted to support the idea that they were trying to do something different as far as the marketplace. So I think we're in that same position where we might be in a situation where we can continue to grow the Nwea be able to do live shows and not actually have to serve any particular master as far as the network would go I talked to somebody quite powerful recently. WHOSE NAME I won't drop but You know they were talking about whether I wanted to be on a network and I said yeah but I don't WanNa give up all the all the freedom that I have you know I I loved the freedom that I have and and they joked and said yeah what you would be nice to get that check and I said yeah well you know. I don't see anybody throwing around that kind of money. Even you know from what what we know about the Tony Kahn delay. He's heavily invested in his side of the deal with Turner. And that's what most of the deals that are available out there as you gotta come in with some serious risk capital or some serious cash because networks just aren't going to write those checks anymore because they'd rather they'd rather have a show that they have total control over and total peon rights writes wrestling's always a bit of a weird thing for network. Because like who are we in business with and you've got all these independent talents and this construct of the input independent contractor so Y- yeah I mean when I when I've done network deals all they care about is their Ip because what they want to be able to do is turn to their boss and and and explain to them how they're going to make money off all the mugs and the t shirts and all that type of so not having complete control on Ip and streaming rights and Yes that's why that's why anybody entering the market including Tony. Kahn is GonNa Learn the one thing. That Vince McMahon figured out thirty five years ago. Where if you don't have enough brand social brand leverage in the marketplace you cannot control the marketplace? Vince is is controlled. It all these years. Yeah and Whether it's a w whether it's the NWEA whether it's you know You Know Sam Roberts wrestling were all going to have to figure out how to create a new economy because that that network economy is very very difficult to navigate if you don't have the history and the leverage and the cash flow that Vince does well. I mean it's very very clear to me and I think you guys figured out early by you. Know doing ten pounds of gold on Youtube and figuring out a way to you know okay. We're GONNA have this champion that we send from show to show but the narrative is going to be through these youtube videos that anybody can watch their short enough that you can watch them whenever you want and I mean it goes back to what we're doing here like yeah I work at serious various but I'm also pretty well aware of the podcast industry and the amount of people that are not sitting there going like oh I just need to get a radio show because they figured out that you could do a podcast and do whatever you want and if it's good and basically You know outside of being offensive pretty much. Say Whatever say whatever you want if you can get an audience you and your even moving past the ad sales model of these people that are making huge livings on services like Patriot and stuff like that where it is completely under even just merch. Yeah Yeah exactly we built the this is the worst selling commercials on our show now and like high spots is the first I real sort of vendor that. They made a commitment of six weeks of commercials that we produced for them. It wasn't like just send US commercials right now. They want to be in our world and more or people coming forward so think that's interesting about people supporting this and it's it's interesting. You know people talk about the A. WWe Wore the real war is the streaming services because about three or four years ago Pirating was way down when net flicks was like the only place to get content and pirating starting to go up because his more contacts silo behind behind these walls with apple having their service which number wise is not Disney plus or Disney has ten million subscribers in the first week apple plus has three hundred thousand their apple You Know Amazon. You have all these places. Fighting Youtube is the only free place to really go and get content. And I think the market it always decides where they're gonNA WATCH GUSTAF FOR US. This is the best place was. We are growing an audience. Nick and Camille were at the big event this past weekend And the amount of energy that they both both communicated to us was ten to twenty times bigger than an appearance they had had pre power and we pushed it on our show with a commercial. But it's interesting to have people come up and just just every day after the show like the Hash Tag. It's just it's insane. How people are watching the show? It's not if you don't watch it on Tuesday like aws on a Wednesday. It's that's when you watch it and it's weird. How people watching this on their time? Yeah I mean I don't WanNa blow smoke and if it wasn't sure edged wouldn't bring it up but I was kind of taken aback because because you know when I do the wrestling podcast. There's plenty of stuff that I don't talk about their so much wrestling. You can't talk about everything. I was really surprised at at the amount of people that were like. When you can talk about power when you can talk about power when you're talking about power this blessing yes? This is a thing. Keep keep on. What do you when you talk about the you know figuring out the NWEA right when you first come on board and you and you start to fix everything I and start to you? Know put the investment investment back in the brand so people take the brand seriously. What do you consider the lineage of current NWEA? How much responsibility do you take peak for what came before you? Are you charging about in in the in the in the in the in the recent years or the or the or like say you know the beginning of the decline in the eighties. I mean when you guys say this is this is Nwea power what what does the NWEA in your head is it. Everything thing we've known the ups the downs every or it's Oh yeah absolutely and I would point to my own musical life as an example of that. It's it's it's amazing to me. How many people celebrate periods in my musical life that I was told the time? We're the worst because the people that identified identified with those periods weather. Because they liked what I was doing or because they saw something in it or they even appreciated that I was fighting through that period because it was a tough period for me. It's amazing how they if it's there period they don't care that there was another period. That was bigger so there are there. Are Those people that are you know. They're their connection. Then W eight didn't start in nineteen seventy eight it's started in nineteen ninety eight And I think I think trying to respect all of that and and sort of celebrate more the survival of the brand you know anything that survives in this world past seventy years is pretty wild. I mean how many brands could you think of. Ah that you don't know the name of like Sara Lee are Disney or you know would GM motors or whatever you know what. I mean that. There's something that that you cannot mess swith when you're talking about seventy plus years of brand. Just the endurance becomes part of the story. Well and we. We talked to everybody and we both grew up with it and power to me is the last what you remember. Strongest when the NWEA was strongest. It's that nineteen eighty five eighty six turner. TBS 605 show rats. That's you know we leaned into that because it's one the audience is still there and I was ten to fifteen years old when that show was big. I'm now in my forties so I may bring my kid to that. My Dad and my grandfather took me to the end of you. I saw dusty Rhodes Ric flair and Philadelphia and I watched the 605 show so for us. It was identifying art. Where's the gap and you know there's a lot of discussion of laps fans and there's variances of like when WCW closed those people? Stop watching. They they they. They didn't go watch them too because that wasn't their home team they were the Atlanta Falcons. They just they lived and died with their home team. And you know there are plenty of people you know at the peak of the wrestling ordinary ten million people watching urging weekly basis. But you have to think there were another five to ten million on top of that that that came in and out and so it's really unique of what's out there and so our bet was a dollar to dollar. You know we EH. We run amazingly lean. We don't have an office. We don't have this. We don't have that. We don't have a chief marketing officer. We do it all because as we scale this product what is I mean. We're we're so much closer than people think to being a very scalable product and you know I ran the numbers for him on power. We're maybe six months away from from really being profitable with this show on our own without having to take an investment from anybody and it may be even faster than that so it's really interesting to watch this grow just just on us because we've been told no everywhere else we've been and I otherwise we do something else young he. He sold four hundred thousand tickets last last year for the smashing pumpkins and he can do anything else. He cares about the guys feeling now. I feel it that this show is everything we want it to be and I think fans resonate nate with. Wow this is something I never knew I really needed again. And I think that's why it works if the exciting part I think we'll be as if we can continue to grow and and scale up You know and so for example if we found ourselves in the opportunity where we were able to run a bigger program like dynamite or something like that what how would we innovate debate in that space. we don't have those discussions yet because we're you know we're far away away but We do feel strongly that when we're given the right opportunities we will be able to create our own unique brand in the space in those are most of the discussions that we have is is that you know it's like it's like arguing about cookies. You know When I was a kid if anybody remember famous Amos Amos I love famous Amos cookies so I wrote famous Amos and he sent me personally a bag of cookies and I got a letter back and forth? I lost the letter. Somewhere along the way but You know it. It's like arguing about what who's got the best hamburgers gus but cuckoo's wrestling's a vast universe and there's for everybody So yeah we don't see his countered anything we've just seen in addition to I think the market will continue to grow. I think the entertainment business which obviously been part part of for over thirty years. I've been told repeatedly over the last seven eight years that wrestling has no growth repeatedly repeatedly and you know as somebody who's just filed the industry that's insane but that that also shows you that just because we live in this bubble they don't live in that bubble so their perspective on wrestling from the outside so it takes things like the ww going on on Fox for them to go they read variety and they go. Oh something's happening you know I had a conversation with somebody Over wwe. That was talking about people when they were making a push to be talked about for the Whatever the TV awards emmys? Yeah and I mean this was within the last couple of years somebody at the EMMYS AMIS or or somebody in that space when you do a live show every week and you're just like how they gave millions of people keeping watch and and transplant trans every week number one on on twitter and it's been twenty years but that's what I'm saying is sometimes we in the business get low. We don't realize that the mainstream stream world continues to to basically not care and wwe more than anybody has created that narrative that that resting can survive live and thrive in the bigger ecosystem. John Cena being in movies the rock being the number one movie star in the world. There is a crossover marketing ability. But we're still a long way away from being accepted as a mainstream entertainment option. So I'm not saying we have work to do. I'm not trying to be raw raw when I'm trying to say is is. There are a lot of people out there that I don't like wrestling right. So let's set them aside but there's a lot of people out there that don't even know if they'd like resting because they're just not exposed to it because culturally. It's presented it to them as something archaic It doesn't get the modern advantage that other other sports endeavors do and as as the as more and more people cut the cord The networks in particular reason realizing they did live event television to keep those viewers staying on broadcast television. Which is why I've said all those people blend the meetings over the last eight years that people will come back to wrestling on mainstream television because its destination TV and that will never change? Yeah so into. The fire is a three weeks in change. I guess so way more or less. What is the field gonNA be like for that show? Is it going to feel like A pay per view live version of what we see on. TV In the studio is GonNa feel more like we'll have a we'll have a different sort of entrance Sasso. The guys will come down from the state From the stairs. You know. We'll have entrance music. Pay Per view. Right you know they'll be longer matches And it'll it's still will have a lot of the elements that people like with power. There were still like we won't have a backstage set. Where guys cut promos? And you know it's still gonNA be the same room but I think I think the audience will be part of the the real story and I you know I went to e C. W and that's what I call the heyday. Ninety five ninety six where that room became. You wanted to go for the room not the matches and I think we've built into sell. I think we sold three hundred and six tickets for the first two days. This time we sold seven hundred and fifty for three and it's all based. We haven't announced one match days of of of events. People are now into into it and it's you know mostly from Atlanta but people are travelling in so that pay per view is kind of this convergence of all these people that have watched it and it's only going to grow so I think we're really excited for this event. I and I think we prove a crock up. Seventy we know how to put on events. We've done that's the easy part for us. It's it's all the other stuff that we have to figure out business wise to make it work but this is this is the easy part for. I think the challenge will be An I feel responsible If I'm speaking to someone who will buy the pay per view I feel responsible that if you like. NWEA power the pay per view has to feel like it's another gear up That the live event aspect of it that we will be available alive that the the talent will know that they're being seen live that warts whatever happens is what's going to go out over the air and I think that live audience will be heavily invested in representing presenting what they want the world to know about the NWEA because there's a sort of hardcore element that's emerged already And I think it's it's it's it's going it'd be on all of us. You know to present something. So if you're 'cause look on paper it sounds a little bit strange. You're going to have a live pay per view event. But not in some place that you know a curtained-off doc arena with you. Know thirty five hundred people a certain way and we are capable of drawing with a Lotta people. It'll be that hothouse effect is does that translate up to a paper of a bigger pay per view. Feel like a big blow off feel so I think that'll be on us to see whether or not we can prove that. Well I think the live aspect is helpful to because obviously you know were six or seven weeks removed from the taping and the fact that people are still like there are spoilers on it. But it's it's weird the show has it's almost spoiler proof even if you read it doesn't feel like you you know what's going on and so I have a live event and then I think we'll have growth from it and and honestly that for us to pay like seems like why aren't you running a bigger building. What's a cost thing to set up cost so for us if the pay per view works? Yeah we'll look into it but for us it's a it's a chance to kind of get across the red and black line of where we are as a company and and I think people supporting us we had a large amount of pre orders The first day and it's like you're pre ordering a pay per view three to four weeks from now you know the money sucks. It's just just interesting. How people are supporting us? And I think it's because we've been sort of authentic in in how we've reached for it. We haven't made grandiose claims we're not we're not in any kind of war we're we're literally take hate bringing something back that that people loved yet. I think that's a responsibility. We take just as if billy bought toys R. US and was gonNA open up a kitschy toy store because that people we'll have an attachment to these things that we grew up with sears. One day we'll be a brand that people bring back in another way. Yeah it's it's a slightly divergent point but I think when worth exploring in this context you know I would have these discussions with with Dixie Carter in particularly in and John Gabbert you know. Let's call it the in the shadow of WWe WWe problem Tina was forever in the shadow. Deputy so me as being part of creative and you know I was allegedly an executive You know I would would make these arguments like why. Can't we present these programs in a different in a different way. Why do we have to be? WWE light well. If people don't see the pyro they don't see this or that they don't think it's legitimate and I'd like and I would say things like yeah. I've been to a lot of concerts where there was no production. It was great concert or I've been to plays these were. Obviously they'd spent nothing on the sets but I was engaged with the narrative. Like why can't we try to break this thing down and rebuild it some other direction so that when people look at our product in in this case it was. Tna they go you know. There's something different happening here. You take people on a different journey that comes from being a diy musician that came out of the end of the punk Alternative Alternative Goth scene or whatever they just could not wrap their heads around it as like if it doesn't look big therefore it's not big in there and I kept saying but we don't have that kind of production budget so people unconsciously recognizing that you're the B. Program right because it's a smaller version of what's going on over there. Yeah so in that sense if we if So here's here's the thing on paper. If we present a world class roster you know wrestling balls out You know You know to the best of their ability eighty in a longer style pay per view match type of setting in hothouse setting with only three hundred and fifty people in the building in a small room. Will that create something that you on the other end is a consumer Sam will go. I'm enjoying this because it's giving me some sort of it's sort of a different feeling is yeah I da. It's not wrestlemainia. But it's different and it's cool because it's this. That's those are bets that most people are not willing to make in the marketplace because they find safety and commonality where my entire higher artistic life has been. I don't find any safety in common alley. Every time I've ever stood in the line that everybody else's stood in. They told me you're not. You're not this enough. You know your teeth or crooked or what are you know what I mean like you need to be. If you WANNA be in this world you need you need to be more like everyone else. So my whole philosophy was generated like well. If you're going to kick me out of your little world I'm GonNa do it my my way right and And so it'll be interesting whether our way will translate and you know the feedback post pay-per-view will be like okay. That's a worthy endeavor or will look each other and say that was a good effort and now we know we're going to have to run more of a traditional pay per view model because it just doesn't translate bigger field while guys. I'm glad we did this. Make you super for super glad we did this. I hope by now everybody has has seen what. NWEA's doing over in the NWEA YouTube channel. W powers of course Tuesdays at six o five pm mm-hmm and it's a great. It's a great show. It's an easy watch it flies by you find yourself like I was ready to kind of scroll through and just like hit the and there's like there's no spot we don't screw going back to your let you wanna a reporter said. I didn't even pick up my phone and it's my job to pick up my phone and take notes like like that was just. It was the nicest compliment he has this show. This is the show we want to watch. And it's it's built for an audience that is not being served served in a in a in a grandiose wrestlemanias in front of seventy thousand people eighty three thousand at metlife. I was there but like like okay. We can't do that. So what can we do. And that's what we created the show for and I think we're just so happy that people are liking it and the fact that a new person finds it every day is great for us yes. That's that's the trajectory will you guys are awesome. Thank you so much Dave thank you. It's now time for this week's state of wrestling. Welcome to the the state of wrestling. Now we are going to have a bridge state of wrestling this week because the Billy Corgan interview is a nice lengthy one But thanks again. Two Billion Dave for being a part of that interview explaining kind of you know everything we need to know about the NWEA. I liked it. They're acknowledging the entire her lineage of the brand it would have been pretty easy for them to watch that clean you know how. Like when a when a reboot comes in like Halloween. When when they did the a Halloween reboot? I guess it was but the Halloween movie that came out last year and they basically said look how lean is a franchise is. This made a ton of mistakes as far as movies. Go so what we're GONNA do is. We're going to say the first one counted because the first ones in masterpiece and this is the sequel so Halloween two season of the witch. You can keep. Because it doesn't apply to the franchise. Halloween two four five there. There might be a six H Two o resurrection the RAF Zombie remakes. None of those ever happened. We're taking all that out of the legacy and we're creating a brand new one. which I I don't have a problem with you? Know Billiards said well what we're doing is we're taking the NWEA Detaille Day and once they merged. WCW were cutting it off there and so it's it's it's the NWEA pre world championship wrestling. And then now it's it's now I'd say okay. If that's the way you want to do it it's your business. That's the way you want to do it. But there is something respectable about the fact that they're as they said presenting it warts and all all and. I think that it actually goes to the branding of what the whole mission statement of the company is that you know we're acknowledging thing. The we were a dead brand where acknowledging how far behind we were and and we're building this thing back up and I think the purpose of NWEA in two thousand nineteen is to reclaim wrestling history. A lot of people knew it growing up and Dan. In order to do that they've got to reclaim the history of the NWEA. And I think that's what they're doing. I'm very interesting seeing what they do on pay per view. The stuff they've been doing on Youtube has been great. You know with the exception exception of a couple minor. Ill advised commentary statements. Everything else has been great. So I'm abby for their success success and I hope they continue to have success Speaking of wrestling throughout the world wrestle kate was happening this weekend and I really only keeping up with it because because wwe front row in the not sam wrestling discord room that you can have access to any any tier The Not Sam Wrestling Patriot. Page if you WANNA be a not Sam. She'll go to Patriot dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling for less than a dollar week. You can get the show early. You you can get ad free you can get bonus shows and you can get access to the discord room so go ahead and sign up and join us in the discord rumor talking all the time and wwe w front row is was giving his take on everything that was happening wrestle. Kate and it looks like a really good time shows all weekend convention panels I feel like it's one of those things where I I wish that somebody I wish there were people there that could turn it into an even bigger deal bill. I'm sure in the area everybody's aware of it but I feel like it should be one of those things that a lot more people are talking about because it looked like an absolute blast. And when you look at all the people were there Oh my God. It looks amazing. I did hear the Sandman had some not quite politically. Correct things to say about 'em when I politically correct such a dumb phrase but it had had some stupid things. I'll say to say to some of the women that were main eventing one of the shows at Russell. Kate which it's like you know. The the same in literally had a t shirt that said politically incorrect and proud of it like the fact that the San Man in two thousand nineteen is not quite up to speed with where we are. You know so. I wouldn't be terribly shocked by that. But when we talk about tradition when we talk about traditional wrestling in the history of it that existed outside. WWe Of course star cade. That's when you're talking about star cast it gets its name from MM stockade resume gets its name from Stark Aid Star. Cade went down last night at the time of the release of this podcast. At the time of this taping we have have not yet seen it right because taping it a couple of hours before stark eight actually happens but it's a wwe network special which is a big difference from a pay per view and even bigger difference from an international pay per view. I think A. WWe networks special. It's pretty much. What we saw? Last year would star cade. It's it's a similar to the farewelled of the shield special that they did after they said goodbye to dean. Ambrose one hundred times on television and to me. There's some of the funniest shows on the network I feel like it's such a throwback to depending on where you grew up and you can still find you could find footage of this all over. WWE Network but depending on where you grew up a lot of the house shows were actually aired on arena owned cable channels channels. So like I think the Boston Garden how shows on a local Boston cable channel. You could watch them. The Madison Square Garden House shows on the MSG meshed network. You could watch them. If you're outside of New York you didn't have access to them which is why. WWE was still able to present main event. Caliber pay per view. Caliber matches. natch is because they knew that they were only playing them for a very very limited audience and then it wouldn't kind of kill business as it were But that has sort of obviously there is no such thing as local broadcasts anymore even if they tried to air something just on a local cable channel somebody would just tape it and put it on Youtube. The results would certainly be all over the Internet within seconds of them happening they'd be on twitter. Gifts would immediately exist. I don't think you get a better gift than keithly. Throwing Adam Cole over the railing. But you'd still get gifts as the point so the closest we've got is the fact that every now and then. WWe puts what's on these Specialty how shows on the WWE network. I wish they would put the holiday shows. They do a Madison Square Garden every year. On right right around the twenty six the twenty seventh of December. WWe traditionally does a house show at Madison Square Garden. A lot of times in the afternoon and those are just superfund shows. You know they're probably probably not that dissimilar from other how shows that are circulating but still there superfund shows and I think I think I don't know what the finances are. Obviously that's going to be the difference maker but as a fan man. I would love it if there were more how show specials aired on the WWE network. Now this is going to be either sixty or ninety minute special just like the shields thing was probably a sixty minute special if I had to guess I haven't looked it up. But they're not airing the entire show so the people in attendance at stockade they will see an entire house. Show we watching on the network. We'll see just a small portion of this show presented just for US I. The lineup is was advertised as Kevin L. in getting rick flair in the Kevin Owen show fatal four way tag match for the women's Championship. Kabuki Warriors Sasha banks and Bailey Alexa Bliss and Nicky Cross Charlotte Arlit and Becky Lynch and then Russa versus Bobby Lashley in a last man standing match now since most of you. I'm sure have already seen this. Maybe it doesn't make sense to do predictions or anything right now but I think I think it would be cool to take the tag titles off the Kabuki warriors especially if it's fatal four way rules. I don't know if it's elimination if it's not elimination and it's just the first person to get a pin. You could have becky in Charlotte win the women's tag titles without pinning. I would have Becky Pin Bailey and have Charlotte Becky win the tag titles at Star Cast. What this is GonNa do is? It's the same thing they would do it every now and then you know. I remember like Summer Slam Shawn Michaels and diesel easel showed up with the tag championships because they just want him from the head. shrinkers at a house. Show what this does is it makes it so that people get excited for live events. 'cause they go out. Anything can happen at title. Ken Change and when you show up on raw tonight and have Charlotte and Becky as the tag team. Champions Women's tag champions then you can you will have people going like I got to see this on the wwe network now. I take it a step further and I would have a The KABUKI win the tag titles back from Charlotte and Becky on Monday night raw. Tonight I would have probably Oscar get another pin over over becky lynch I mean you could have Oscar Pin Charlotte but having Katie Pin Charlotte or becky would be huge for her. But that's what I would ask a pin becky to win the tag titles back tonight on raw so you it's not like it was a long term thing because you're sitting there going. Why would you wait Charlotte and Becky in tag when you could have two big Solo stars totally but I'm interested in seeing that tag title Change Happen People Go? Oh my God you gotTA I. Don't watch star cade have titles change back on raw and then go to TLC and do some kind of maybe a tables ladders chairs tag team match agi between the Kabuki Warriors in Charlotte and Becky. You wouldn't wanNA see. TLC match with the four of those ladies. I would have to tear the house down. So that's what I'd like to see from that match and then the third match or third segment on the show there's been advertised is Russa versus bobby. Lashley last man standing I would imagine. Imagine that there's gotta be some kind of Schmaltz there because the idea that you have now spent like eight or nine weeks of TV. This was happening before the draft. So you're literally all your entire autumn. It's snowing today in New York. So your entire autumn was spent spent building a rivalry between rousseff and bobby Lashley. You got restraining orders. You've got rousseff kicking the set down. You Got Lana celebrating sex bursaries. Let me see it was the seven-week sex versity that was like two weeks ago. So there's rivalries pride been going on about nine years to finally had the Bobby Lashley rousseff match on a network. Special is really strange to me that if we're buying the fact that this has been an effective storyline and we WANNA see and people want to see this match happen that you would have. It happened on a network special instead of and that you really just advertise it on twitter the day before. Hey by the way. This is the last match happening that you'll be able to see on the network cool but I would have thought there'd be some kind of bill to this. No okay all right. Let's watch it then. I mean I'll be watching it. I'm assuming it's going to have some kind of Sh- MAS tastic ending and we're going to be left with the culmination happening at TLC in in some kind of stipulation match hopefully helpfully but yeah so it's an exciting time. The networks are always exciting. I always have a good time just a great way to spend a Sunday night. You know you mean great way to spend a Sunday night as far as smackdown went this week There were a couple of things I thought. Roman reigns look amazing. I've gotten to this place with Roman reigns it's similar to John Cena when people boo John Cena leaner for so long that they eventually just looked at him and they were like you know what you're the man and I'm probably going to keep doing you just because it's supposed to but I don't really feel it like I kind of want Roman reigns to win every match. I just want him to beat everybody. I'm just I've become. I've I've this. Incarnation of Roman reigns is great and I get upset when he gets stuck with the people able and dog outfits and things like that but this week on smackdown like I just thought it was great. I thought the realization that Roman had when when Bobbi rude who bobby rude. I don't know what happened. But in the last few months it feels like they've finally realized the value. That bobby rude has because some people I did see some people were like. Oh well of course bobby route is going to get buried. He's wrestling the biggest guy in the company he didn't get buried. It was a very competitive match. which was a long match? Bobby Rude Put a lot out there. He got a lot of offense in and eventually really he went down to Roman reigns as everybody should. But I- Bobby Rude looked great and I thought what whatever whatever's happened in the last a few months ever since he started teaming with Dolph Ziegler that made people realize like. Oh bobby rude is really somebody worth investing in Kudos to them. Because it's a whole new bobby rude. There's a period of time where bobby rude was just in the bunch trying to get the twenty four seven championship and that wasn't that long ago so this is a major major upgrade the the realization. And I'm still by the way I think Barron Corbin's court would be a lot better with Kofi and Roman turning Heel than with Bobby Rudolph Ziegler Bribe Rudolph Ziegler fine but if it were a bad Guy Roman reigns and a bad guy Kofi lovie Kingston with Darin Corbin. It would be the biggest thing in wrestling the biggest thing in wrestling but the realization on Roman reigns his face When he looked at Bobby Rude and realized you just tried to literally murder me? He looked at the chair. He looked at the Serie. Looked at Bobby. He said you'd literally tried to Cave My skull in just now. Do you understand what I have to do. This spear through the guardrail guardrail looked vicious. And then the tipping over of the table or the table doesn't break and it actually looks like something. That's Super Sturdy. Dangerous and the whole thing. I wish they'd left the table off of Corey Graves and Michael for the entire show that would have been the real reminder of the kind of destruction that Roman reigns 'cause now there would be the logical question. Why didn't somebody just tip it back over on the other side? It didn't break but maybe they'd say this table is so heavy that in order to lift it. You have to be Superman now. Let's go to this. Footage of Roman reigns lifting this table. But I mean I thought Roman I thought it was a great great moment for Roman reigns. I thought survivor survivor series. Going into smackdown Roman reigns is in a good place now before. I don't know and there have been rumors that they're going to do a dog. Collar holler match between Roman reigns Barron Corbin based on the big dog thing. The Baron Corbin is making fun of him with look. The music hasn't worked for me the guy in the dog mascot Outfit doesn't work for me but a dog collar match works for me. You know I think people are associating it with the wrong stuff. But they've been great dog collar matches you know. I'm I'm not. I'm not mad at seeing Roman reigns and Barry Corbin. Can I mean they're going to have a match. Obviously so they're going to have a match. Let's make different. Put a couple of dog collars on them put a chain in between them. Watch the viciousness. Watch these two men be other with chains until one is so welded up that he can't respond in and the others able to touch all four corner posts. I'm not against it. I always liked strat. Matches dog collar matches all that stuff. Goodbye me so I'm not mad at them. Here's something else I'm not mad at. I am not mad at Bray. Wyatt's new championship. The fiend Bray Wyatt debuted a new championship championship another item in his repertoire. That was designed by horror movie icon. Tom Savini it's got the the mask ask stretched across the front. What would be played? But there's no place on this thing it's all kind of leather and rubber and what looks to be literally literally flesh stretched across this thing. The mask is stretched across with leather straps. Up On top and bottom saying he'll he'll hurt hurt on the side of the straps it says. Let me in It fastens like about not with Velcro or snaps. It's just it's like nothing thing we've ever seen before but the fiend is like nothing we've ever seen before I think it's very important to note that when Bray wide doing the firefly funhouse. He's still got that blue new universal smackdown title which to me is better than the red version. So they're not doing away with that but it is ridiculous that the fiend Bray Wyatt who who cares about nothing but creating hell on earth is walking out with a company created championship campionships championships. Don't matter to the fiend. The fiend is not fighting to keep a championship. The fiend is fighting to destroy and to frighten and he's destroyed the title and created something. Frightening with it. I don't know Oh you know yet. Ugly it's ugly. The fiend is ugly. It does nothing to diminish the history of the championship. It has nothing to do with that. The person who wins and you know and you say we'll eventually somebody will beat the fiend will when somebody does beat the fiend. There's nothing nothing stopping them from having the Universal Championship at Ringside. Let's say Daniel Bryan Beats Fien which you won't but let's say Daniel. Brian does beat the fiend. He doesn't have to hold up the fiends title at the end he could look at it. Throw it down and hold up universal title again. If anything thing the fact that the fiends title is such a monstrosity it goes to the storyline. That the fiend is holding the entire company hostage that the fiend has has the Universal Championship kidnapped that he is procured. That title any is stopped stopped the division in its tracks and now the whole thing has become something that it was never intended to be a monstrosity this. This is my way of saying that if any of you are really loyal fans to the podcast and WANNA spend the sixty five hundred dollars on that championship for me. I wouldn't I wouldn't bat an eye. You can buy a replica of the newly debuted fiend championship tidal on. WWe Shop. However I think every the one is being designed by Tom Savini? I don't think that there's a difference between the replica. And the one that they use on TV because the only way you can order and by the way supposed to ship by December twentieth not guaranteed Christmas delivery unfortunately cost six thousand five hundred dollars plus tax. I did put it in my cart and look at the checkout you get free shipping on it which is nice but it comes to just over seven grand if you want to have the fiends new title. That's where I'm going to know though there are some you replica. APPLIC- about collectors before the really rare item was like the Daniel Bryan title. That was a- At first you could only get it events or whatever it was and now if you go to like The the the shops that they set up the superstores they set up for Summer Slam wrestlemainia or whatever they have for like three or four thousand dollars they have TV quality replicas available but this is by far the most expensive ww produced replica title. So of any of you are really who you say you. Who are the champions of replica? Belt collections replica championship title collections. Better have fien title in there. I'm all for it man and you know there was a lot of talk that you know that the fiend was going to be debut in a new face to the firefly funhouse and obviously obviously that new phase. I'm assuming is the face that's on the title People thought I was live. Morgan I said this on Thursday there should never be another human member of the firefly funhouse never it should be a puppet or a championship or some item. That can also have Bray Wyatt's voice with some kind of audio filter over it. No more people should be joining the firefly funhouse because firefly fun house is not as stable. There are no rules on the firefly funhouse US Bray Wyatt the firefly funhouse and the fiend are like nothing that we have ever seen in. WWe before and now oh he's got a championship. That is nothing like we've ever seen in the WWE. Before and I love it. Hey thanks for being with us. Is this week. I'm not saying wrestling. Don't forget to get those questions in not Sam Wrestling at g mail DOT COM. We will see you on Thursday for another episode of Thursday. Not that Sam Thursday. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. Wherever you get podcasts? Leave us a review on itunes and subscribe to the Youtube Channel YouTube dot com slash. Not Not Sam wrestling see you Thursday. Thanks for listening. Follow at not say on twitter Instagram facebook and Youtube Rate Review Subscribe. 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Monday through Friday new Pacific three eastern. Sunday three Pacific six Eastern. Boy Do we got a lot of news to get into here today? I was here yesterday, and so I've got two days worth of stuff to catch up on. The least of which is the Wednesday night's ratings and Demos. Everybody's favorite. Ellison. Sometimes, it's just the same story, and it's just the same story I talk about it and I move on, but over the last couple of weeks it has not been the same story writing an all time low viewership all time low rating. That's a story. And what happened with Aws Thi this past Wednesday on the surface. It wasn't that much of a story AWA. One in total viewers and they won all of the demos except age fifty, plus that happens ninety percent of the time, not much of a story, but there is one story and I'm going to tell you about that. If you've not read the New Observer, you know nothing about if you have read the New Observer. I will tell you the story and you'll be shocked again shocked as I was. When? I first heard this story, but we got that. And of course it is very very busy weekend we got. Three, pay per views I, guess one is in a pay-per-view, but there's a UFC show on Saturday night. There is the impact slam versus show on Saturday night, and of course yes, everyone on Sunday. It, he horror. Stream rules where in the Rave Mr Seth rollins match. The only way to win is to pluck the other person's eyeball out of their head. It will be dangling by a cord. That is. What they are billing. This has unless today on survivor smackdown they now it's horrible now. You just win via pin, fall or submission. I don't expect that to happen. They are digging their heels in on this stipulation. We'll give you the full card for that show. We got cards for AWA next week. Next week smackdown here tonight and your phone calls emails text messages more. It's going to be a fun day here on the show. Back after the break. 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Jim is fine. I am fine. And I got a lot to get into here today. We were going to take your phone calls and text messages later. If you want to call, give that number after awhile. Phone lines are not open yet. But I will take your text messages and emails for now text message line four to five, seven, eight, zero, seven, five, six open, twenty four hours a day seven days a week, four to five, seven, eight, zero, seven, five, six six. Sometimes I'll be just hanging out. Don't get some wacky text alerting me about something I haven't watched yet on. smackdown can't wait for those tonight. And Ryan at Wrestling Observer dot com is the e mail. You can follow me on twitter at Bryan Alvarez obviously went sports, byline radio and twitch dot, TV slash F four W video. And this coming Sunday I'll talk more about it later, but if you were a subscriber to twitch dot TV we will, in fact, have a special post show immediately after the horror show at extreme rules live on twitch, dot TV four twitch subscribers, which you can do via a variety of means including your Amazon prime account every month. You get a free Amazon Prime Subscription to twitch. You can use it on any channel you want. That includes hours, so if you have Amazon prime, which a lot of you do, you can subscribe for free and get our post show on Sunday which will in fact be a fundraiser for the Great Fowler every every time every penny every dollar. Every bitcoin that we make the cheers goes to the great valour. So Wednesday despite competition from both NASCAR ON F S. One and you have CNN ESPN dynamite had his highest viewership since May scored a big win. Over T in the USA network fight for the fallen headlined by a World Title Match which is supposed to take place last week averaged seven, hundred, Eighty, eight thousand viewers compared to exceed six hundred, thirty, one thousand first time dynamite as one the viewership battle in four weeks I saw a headline on some other site with something like. Item might finally wins in total viewers over Annex T. Thought finally I guess I guess technically if it's been three weeks of losing, it is finally, but I mean they've won ninety percent of the time of strange headline, but. Viewership for dynamite up ten point. Two percent eighteen to forty nine dynamite averaged eight point two nine rating fifth for the night on cable. Chris Jericho did a promo. Calling himself the Demo God, stating that he had never lost in the prized eight into forty nine demo and I saw that. And I thought man. Rolling the dice here, baby, when you when you do something like that. You're rolling the dice well. Apparently. This is why I don't gamble. Because he not only won the show, not only one I guess it would be the whole show. They not only one in eighteen forty nine demo. They doubled an t in the eighteen to forty nine demo. At exte- point one four down thirty percent from last week second lowest number in that demo. The show has ever done on the USA network so. As I know in the opening segment. This is largely the usual story. A W wins in the total viewership. Most of the time there have been now exceptions. They always win in the demos except fifty, plus which exte- always wins some sure you're asking well. What's what's new here? What's The story besides that? They doubled at x t in the eighteen to forty nine demo. Well this from the New Observer. Awa Did strongly in males thirty five to forty nine. Annex T did disastrous. In men eighteen to thirty four. Awa One every key demo, but women thirty five to forty nine was surprisingly close. In the eighteen thirty four Demo Awa, did seventy thousand men okay so around this country. Around the United States. Among. Men Eighteen to thirty, four, the young male audience. Seventy thousand people around the country. Watched a W. Do you know what the number of eighteen to forty nine year? Old Males was for annex. T the. Awa was seventy thousand. How many eighteen to thirty four men do you think we're watching an exte-? On Wednesday night. Well. The answer is six. Thousand. Six thousand eighteen to forty nine year old man in the entire United States were watching annex team as dave notes here, that's not a misprint. The number was down eighty seven point two percent from last week. Obviously there was competition NASCAR and UFC were were strong those demos, but this is something that we've been talking about for a while on the main roster, but this is mind blowing this annex. T this is this is the promotion there unlike the main roster they you know. Got, the young stars, doing the high flying action I mean this is supposed to be of the three brands raw smackdown annex t annexed is supposed to be the youngest coolest hippest. Whatever the cool word is nowadays. That's supposed to be this brand. They did only six thousand men eighteen to thirty four in the entire country, watching an X T. it's mind blowing the. The younger audience twelve to seventeen. I don't have it in front of me, but it was only slightly higher than that. Annex, T and W we they have. A tiny amount of younger viewers, their median ages sky high. Why are no young people watching these shows and when I say no young people I mean we're getting to the nitty gritty here. Six thousand people in the whole country. That's your eighteen to thirty four audience, and then twelve to seventeen was only very slightly higher than that, so they're not getting kids. They're not getting teenagers. They're not getting anybody under the age of thirty. Four. It's shocking. Anyway those are the numbers there so. There you go. And of course, the rod number of the all time that is to the extreme, the horror show at extreme rules as it is called, and this is the full lineup as of right now. I'll be smackdown tonight. They will. They will add more. This by the way for some reason does not count the bar fight which I thought that Jeff Hardy made official, but Jeff Hardy versus missed at a bar fight. We got drew McIntyre Adult Ziglar for the W. E. Title. We Got Oscars Sasha banks for the women's title. We Got Bailey versus Nike Cross for the smackdown women's. Braun strowman is facing. Bray Wyatt it a swamp fight, and actually it's not a swamp fight. It's a Wyatt swamped fight. That's apparently different. We gotTA Raymond. Serials Seth Rollins I I. The match can only be one in one competitor extracts the high of their opponent. You must pull somebody's eyeball out and Apollo. Crews will be facing MVP for the US House. So seven matches announced and probably more coming up on smackdown tonight, but that's the lineup for the Sunday horror show at extreme rules for slam averse bursary. We Got Austin, Eddie, Edwards and trae. And a mystery opponent, a former world champion for the impact world. Title I. Don't know this okay, but my presumption would be that the fourth individual here will be easy three, but I don't know that for sure. We Got Jordan grace versus Deanna Peroxo for the packers knockouts title Willie Mac versus Chris Obey for the x division title. We got a gauntlet for the gold. The Germany number one contender for the women's title Leash Edwards Havoc Akira Hogan Kimberly Highly Ray Nevada Madison Rain Rosemary Suzy Tasha steals and tell Ya Valkyrie. The North will be facing Ken Shamrock and Sami Callahan Moose will be facing Tommy Dreamer and the rascals will be facing TB in a tag team match which anytime. There's td on the show because impact has been pushing so strongly that a bunch of former impact stars that had been working for WWE are going to be returning on the show because they are all free and clear. I would presume that's going to be a former team. Will it be Gallison Anderson? One hundred percent it could be all I know is if if I'd sign Galveston Anderson I'd announced that match, but it's TVD here. Maybe they want a big surprise. So more on this after the break calls text messages everything. I get a moment observer life. Airlines have just reduced their prices even more book thirty days in advance and save big. Want the absolute lowest prices on your airline tickets then call the low cost. Airlines travel hotline right now for prices so low. We can't publish them anywhere. The only way to access our low rates and save up to seventy percent is to call. Save hundreds on your vacation tickets by calling right now. You can fly anywhere in the world. 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What products are you talk about a towel with Orange Cassidy's face. They a lot of. They got a lot of cool things at the. At the deputy me shop site I think it's called shop wbz shop now. They got rid of shops zone if I recall correctly but. You know. W E has been doing things a certain way forever, and they also have a very patterned way of doing things. And a w is more like an independent promotion in the sense that they do some stuff. If something feels like, it's getting over the immediately marketed and W that to a degree as well I mean they. You know for a while when Daniel Bryan had the belt made out of hemp. Selling that belt on the WB Shafrannik ordinary amount of money by the way and the fiends title. They quickly had that thing up, but at the WWe shop, so they do things like that i. mean it's not just. A W. It's Jericho's completely validated in bragging about the eighteen to forty nine demo especially since he has not touched fifty yet. He himself is still a part of that money demo. thicky is still forty nine. Let's see when Chris Jericho turns the Big Five O.. Chris Jericho is forty nine years old November nine November nine. He moves out of the money demo. We'll see what happens in I'm sure he's got some sort of idea. He's guys liked Jericho and the bucks or so innovative, when it comes to marketing and selling Merch I have already ordered my Demo God and Christian Af. T shirts. While W, we get zero pennies for me. Because all of their stuff is generic and UNCREATIVE. Well, you know that if you go to the deputy me shop, you can buy a replica winged. Eagle Belt would the greatest belt w ever produced I think they got a twenty five percent off sale right now. Bells fantastic I know tim in Miami would say. I got a genuine. Reggie Parks Bell much better than. W version do these W. E.. Versions are pretty nice. They're available at the shop if I recall correctly. You Awa impact should announce new signings in advance Ortiz them for ratings and virus purposes. There is no answer to this question. The answer is you will not like this, but it depends. So. What I mean by that is. If you've got a loaded show. At, you've got a big main event. And there's a lot of buzz for the show. Then do a surprise. You. Know people wrestling fans like to be surprised. They like it when somebody shows up that they weren't expecting, but. If, you don't have a loaded show. If you've just got to nothing happening show, but you've got a big person who you're going to debut. Then you've got to advertise it. The answer is it depends for example. As renting about this yesterday, the annex t show this week. I was I'm a fan of teague Knox I was excited for Teagan Knox and Yoshahara. But W! We had just done two weeks of the great American Bash they had done a Sasha and Bailey main roster take team championship match the first week and the second week they build a double title match. Keithly was going to fight. For both his North American idol and Adam calls title. Both big matches. Those matches led to them beating a W in viewership. But then. Now what? Always the question now what? And for the following weeks and T, they announced that Yoshahara was facing Knox who won the title in a random four-way, or what won the title shot in a random four-way and Damian Precent Cameron Grimes which I've seen several times. I like both of the guys but I've seen the match. Now. They were. Going to end up doing keithly versus Dominic Taiji Co, FIC- a rematch of one of their best matches the last couple of years four both titles. But they didn't advertise it. They wanted to make it a surprise. All they advertise was a Keith Lee was going to address the universe now if they'd had a big show, five matches announced a bunch of big matches. Fine do an impromptu announcement of a double title match, but they didn't that they had one title match. which was you know? It was a match at Teagan Knox I mean to do this. This right he to do like a long journey road to the title in do that. It was just she won a four way. She's going to title shot. They had that in a rematch. All they had so in that case. No, this should not be a surprise. You should advertise your big money match, but they didn't do that. They made it a surprise that to me was mistake for slam verse ARY. ME. And, I got gallows and Anderson. I downscale listen. Anderson there on that show. You've got a four way for the title I mean, and there is the four way for the title is a big match because you're guaranteed a new champion, therefore, since in their minds. That's a big match. EC Three can be surprised on top of that or whoever that fourth person I know who it is so. It depends. Per says Chris Jericho's in absolute genius is demo guideline prove that fact once again, everything that man touches turns to gold. Although we had another one here that said it. The Demo God nave is great, but the shirt is ugly, so he's not a fan of of the actual design of the shirt. Versus. How awesome was that? LLEGADO FANTASMA vignette shot in their mansion I truly feel Santos Escobar's been the best cruiserweight champion since pock held that title a couple of years ago. W., e. has their next big. Latino Star in front of their eyes. Him an Angel Garza. How can you miss? Them was like I wrote that text. I talked about this yesterday. Brian Vinnie show. They've been looking for a big Latino Star biggest panic star. Since. The Heyday of Ramos Stereo and the funny thing is they never were willing to go all the way with race cheerio because he was small. I mean they gave him the title, but everybody knows the story like they didn't want to give him. The title and everybody convinced Vince McMahon to make him the champion and Vince McMahon's whole mindset was fine, but he ate could be champion for long, and when they gave him the belt, they beat him beat him, beat him, and then they beat him and took the title off him so I. Mean I guess you have? Have to go before ray to Eddie Guerrero. They've been looking for that big star ever since, and they tried it with Alberto del, Rio but Albert del Rio had a million issues. They also didn't know what they were doing with the guy you know the whole baby face, turn his. He'll run I. mean it was botched. You can go back and listen to the shows. You know. They just couldn't do it right with him. And, if he hadn't had issues I mean that should have been your guy and. You know Angel Garza I feel is a can't miss. But he doesn't have the size that Vince McMahon loves. And I looked at Santos Escobar I. Think he's a can't miss. How can you not miss with this guy for looking for a Spanish Latino superstar? How can you miss? With the former U. Hotel Fantasma well, they're they're doing great in annex. T main roster I guess we'll have to see what he has going for him as he speaks perfect English. That's what they're looking for. I if you're looking for Hispanic Latino superstar to attract that audience, do you need a guy that speaks English I mean? Shouldn't he speak Spanish? I mean historically. Ethnic Superstars I mean they all spoke the language, but in W. It's gotta speak English. We'll see what happens. Kerosene kerosene being forced to be. He'll for most of her time on the main roster yet. Another example of WWe being unable to use people correctly from INEX-. How long until people start refusing to go to the main roster, people will start refusing to go to the main roster in large numbers when the amount of money that they make an annex, t is the same as the amount of money they can make on the main roster and there have been. There have been people who don't want to go. They made it very clear to Moscow trump is one of them, but the reason he didn't want to go was because he did not feel that his body would hold up doing w main roster schedule, but guess what. That schedule is no more I believe. After Corona virus schedule will still be no more so if he's doing the exact same number of matches at annex, t that he's doing on the main roster, but he's being offered significantly more money for the main Rosser very very very few people are going turn net money down. Some of them will, but it's a very very small number. If the day comes when they make the same amount of money annex. T because allegedly it's your third brand. All things equal then I think more and more people won't want to go to the main roster. Spurs your says actually the main event of great American Bash night. One was Sasha vers e Oh. That's true. Non title singles match with the surprise. Ask appears that is true. I Apologize I. Think it was the week prior which I. Believe Xt, also one that had Sasha Bailey defending the take. An over the phone lines wrestling observer life. Do you owe ten thousand dollars or more on at least two federal student loans, then you may qualify for new programs offered by the Department of Education, these programs can reduce your interest lower your payments and possibly qualify you for loan forgiveness. If you have ten thousand dollars or more, and at least two federal student loans, and currently not in school, you may qualify for one of these programs. Programs call now to check your eligibility. Student loan advisors are standing by to help you determine. 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No, sir, say pay per view on Sunday, but they're giving away. The AJ styles met Riddle Intercontinental Championship match for free. And smackdown so that you tell you the edge announced, and the rest is all talking segments. So why didn't we not have a full card for smackdown? Why don't we not have full cards for these shows that are? That are taped in advance. I mean as Mike noted a couple of days ago. I don't even need to know what the matches are I would prefer to know what the matches are, but at least tell me who's going to be on the show. Don't even do that. You're going to get to talking segments and you'll get an intercontinental title match so tune in on a Friday night at eight o'clock and. Find out what else you get, roll the dice. Went down the cards for those two shows. And then of course next week we got carrying cross Dominic di Jakovic and Killian Day and Dexter is for an exte-. Those are the only matches announced for next week's Annex T. Meanwhile. Aws announced cody versus a mystery challenger evil lease returns to a w for the first time since the Casino Battle Royal, she will take on Diamante. It'll be first entering action for the shine women's champion since the sixty five pay per view February, twenty-ninth hangman page will be in televised competition for the first time singles competition going to a singles match, he will face five of the dark order and the Jurassic Express. Will Face Chris Jericho and Jake Hager MGM will also be facing an unnamed opponent well so full card for the AWA show. Perhaps he'll tell some mystery opponents. Perhaps they will not. All right. Let's go to a Ryan. Ryan you're on the line. What's going on? Questions about the thirty wrestlers dying ago. He's not really wrestler, so it's just a different form of the virus in Mexico. I want to thank you very much for the call I. Don't think it's it's a different form of the virus. I mean the short. Answer is. If you look at the death rate for coronavirus all over the world, it is not consistent. There are there are some countries where it's very very low, and there's some countries where it sky high, and a lot of that has to do. With what kind of medical care can you get? How is how? Is your populations health as a whole, and unfortunately it's a disaster in Mexico disaster in Brazil I mean. It's a disaster in Florida and Texas and California. We'll find out how big a disaster and a couple of weeks because. Cases Rise four week lag and then here come the deaths hospitals being overwhelmed everything like that, so that's the issue. Is Not a different form. Scheduled for September twenty. First through twenty, third twenty twenty, and there were a lot of people that were very against cauliflower alley, trying to run their annual convention, because in fact, a lot of the people that attend the cauliflower alley. Legends are over sixty five and over. Sixty five is a very very high risk group, and so they have announced at the fifty fifth reunion has been rescheduled for April twenty. Fifth Through Twenty Eighth Twenty. Twenty one discount rules will be available to those purchase reunion tickets and a pass key from April twenty first through twenty eighth twenty twenty one gold host is going to automatically refund existing room deposits to your credit card room reservations for the new twenty twenty one dates. We'll begin on December first everybody. Purchase their fifty fifth really tickets has one of three options. You can receive a full refund. You can donate your reunion ticket to the Benevolent Fund for tax. Write off, or you can leave your deposit on hand to ensure that you have a seat for the April twenty twenty one reunion now. I, mean listen. We don't know what's going to happen, but. is scheduled to take place in, September. I think it's abundantly. Clear that this is not going to be over in September. Now is going to be over by April. I I think it's fifty fifty. We have this exact same thing happening again, but we only hope for the best. Let's go to. Bellows Falls Vermont? You're on the air. Who is this? Hey. This is Dagan like a shout out from the to the twitter. Chat. Going on Dagan. Brian I wanted to get. No not a whole lot. I wanted to get your opinion on Jon Moxley and who you think. Should beat him for the title and who you think will challenge him next Thanks for taking my call all right I. Want to thank you very much for the call. Well. A couple of things you do Jon Moxley. I believe. and. As far as you should win the title next. Here. Here's the thing I don't know. I don't know. In the real world. Unless. You're just doing things too hot shot, or you want surprise people. I? Mean this was what I was always told? And this is what has always made the most sense. Work Louis. And superstar billy, Graham of all people would argue this as well because he very much disagreed with with. With Vince McMahon taking the WW time. That's the answer when it's time. Win The right guy comes along. Let's say that. Is Challenging for the title over a the first week of September. Okay, it's. Almost in July? Yes, I looked at the wrong wrist. It's almost the end of July. We got a month and a half okay. I can't see her right now and say. I think now's the time for MGM to beat John Moxie for the title. You gotTa Start Shooting the angles. You GotTa Start Building it up. At, you got to see what happens and a perfect example actually is when Chris Jericho lost the. Title to Jon Moxley when Chris Jericho won the title. I did not feel. In the month six weeks leading up to it. I did not feel that it was time for Chris Jericho to lose the title. Then they start. Building up, I, no longer felt the way that I did in fact. Quite, frankly really on the day of the show. I was a little more ambivalent to it. I was like okay. Jerk wins. There's a direction that you can go from here, but Mosley is hot. So Maybe it's time for Moxie to win the title and into me. You gotTA. Shoot your angles. You've got to build it up and there's a feeling that you should have the day of the show. Is it time now the problem? Is You also want book? So if you're Tony Kahn, you need to make that decision at least a little bit in advance. You can't say well. We're going to build it up, and then we'll make our decision the day of the show because then. You've got to do something that states exactly what talk both annex t? They had two good weeks with the great American Bash, and then what? What was the follow? What did they have for the next week? Not a lot I mean they have something for down the line with with Keith and carrying, but gotta have something for the next day so. To me, you've got to build this matchup. Six weeks two months. Shoot Angles. See how over everybody is see what the numbers are doing. How hot does get if he's the guy? And then you decide maybe a month out? What are we going to do, and then you go, and you have something planned for down the road? I. Wish. I had a better answer for you, but I don't. It's foolish to decide foreign advance. Not See where the Nazi the lay of the land not see how things are going. Not See how over somebody's getting. Maybe it's time for MGM to beat him the first week of September. Maybe it's not and I can't see that far ahead right now. Billy Corgan. A quick note about the national wrestling alliance, which I fought for and won ownership of a few years back. We are not. Shutting down. Please disregard any and all rumor to that effect. Apparently Raven had done a podcast or something and he. said that that now the Dave Logan is out, he thinks Billy Corgan is going to cut down shut, shut the promotion down I was told. A few weeks ago that they absolutely were not shutting down, think we talked about this here. On the air, their inner restructuring process. They're doing a bunch of different things, but there was no talk of them shutting down now. Billy Corgan has got a comment on this and it'll be way is not and will not be for sale. Those talent who won under contract remained under contract for a reason, which is that we at the end of the way are trying to figure out a way to provide are great fans with wrestling content in a very very tough environment. Most importantly, we want to keep our talents safe. And the standard of production that you have come to expect from us at a high level, anything else in my opinion is unacceptable, so yes, appreciate the interest, appreciate the chatter that we do not appreciate the unsourced rumors and speculation. Let's go to Jacob. You're on the air. What's going on? Hey what's going? On Brian Hi, sheriff to chat just barbarric for cody's open challenge. Do you think we poss- guys who ends up in eight W most likely. Yeah when the thank you very much for the call. Well I don't know why I didn't think about that earlier, but yes, as noted. Fighter fest fight for the fallen, and now this coming Wednesday's show cards cards cards cards. They always have a car to advance. I mean even the second week of the great American Bash. I think going into it. They had like a or two, and then the everything else. He added on social media, even though they had already taped the show they could've. They could've announced all of the matches. But they didn't so. Eight W I wouldn't say that. This is a super stack show. But. You do have a lot of matches announced and I think hangman doing a singles match Jericho and hager wrestling on the show Mj F. in action. The police match with. The Amande you could save one wwe star for a surprise now the argument and Dave talked about this on Wednesday. Other people have talked about this as well. I mean there's a lot of extending me. Guys Nee W and watch. How many are too many? Too Much I mean is is. Zack Ryder. I mean Zack Ryder did nothing endeavor to me ninety five percent of the time. This is no disrespect to Zach. Writer is just the reality I mean. They. Guy Forever. They did nothing with him. He was a job guy. I mean they very briefly. One titles that Wrestlemainia and then did virtually nothing with them, and then they beat them i. mean there is there is the argument that do you? WanNa take a guy that they buried forever and bring him in and push him as a big time star. That's the question now granted. If you're Zach affair, so. It's a question that they're going to have to figure out. Who did they bring in? Who Do they use? Do they push? The moment is her life. I. Listen to me, I know they'll save. Really does matter to me I mean let's. Be Honest. No Kid likes rules, but I get why we have them. I hear you and. I know it's because you. 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Hundred took off from JFK airport and headed out over loss long island toward Paris twelve minutes later, the plane exploded. The coastguard received the call at eight thirty PM tonight of an explosion ten miles south of merged inland. It has been confirmed as a seven forty seven McMichael flair. And then it just Watch for a couple of seconds, and all of a sudden it just like split into two big balls of flame. Rocket shoots up and it spreads out, but then usually disappears, but it just it just came out of nowhere just blew up and kept on huge flame. It just exploded. You saw just a burst of flame, and it was all black around, and then you still like another piece for. Debris. Bodies Float around here two explosions. It was just a mostly. Right right up in the air was It was terrible, might fiancee? We're walking along with each week. Mark started walk in and we've just seen in this guy like. 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Thanks for tuning into classic, Radio Theatre here on your favorite station, I, we, we always think of time machines is being. You know something that just can't possibly happen right or even thought about that. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, six, this episode of becks minus one from July Seventeenth Nineteen, fifty-six sixty four years ago, today deals with such time machine entitled the Old Die Rich. Blast on. Five. Fire. From the far horizons, the unknown come transcribed tales of new dimensions in time and space, these are stories of a future adventures in which you'll live in a million could be years. I'm a thousand, maybe world's. National Broadcasting Company in cooperation with Galaxy Science Fiction magazine Presents Act. ACT MINUS. One. Tonight the old die rich by H L gold. UNIFORMS COP at the door told me get lost, but loop spotted me until the man to let me in. Shabby Room they always are. A woman on the bed and older woman, White Hair, thin enough to show the tide drawn scalp. The medical examiner was going over as if she were a side of beef that you had to put a federal grade stamp on when you're going to stop taking this friend of yours around to these cases just to gratify his morbid curiosity. Forget about Weldon Duck. What she die of not eating malnutrition and I look doc in the top. Top Bureau drawer she had bankbook showing thirty two thousand dollars from five different banks, as she had the price of nutrition induced by senile psychosis. They starve because they are less afraid of death and digging into their savings. I don't know dock. It doesn't feel right to me. Listen Weldon just because you get up on stage around some half-baked television show and make believe you're seventy years. Old Doesn't qualify you as an expert on Gerontology, maybe not. But I went ball at twenty five and I've been playing old men ever since there's a lot more to it than just shuffling around and talking and a high crag boy. The hasn't been an actor since Otis skinner. Maybe. With the way I work, I have to get inside the character I have to decide when he was born how he got along with his father where he went to school what he thinks of women, everything about a character isn't a one of them. These days can make themselves hurt past the fifth row. Look look. I'm serious now. I've tried imagining myself growing weak from hunger I've tried to think of not even spending nickel to keep me from Dying I. Just. Don't believe it. It isn't right. I don't feel it. We're lucky for me. I don't have to feel these things inside of me because I'm a doctor and not an actor. Sergeant. Malnutrition induced by senile psychosis I lot of the wicker basket from Bellevue. So, Long beira-mar. Well he's right mark. We get a couple of these cases every year. Some old bat stuff and the death was seventeen thousand dollars in old bills pinned on his union suit. Up All the time, Allie doesn't feel right well. He knows his business, but he doesn't know old people do. It isn't easy to stop the death not when you can buy day old bread at the bakery or will add vegetables. The grocers ready to throw out. Anyone who's willing to eat? That stuff can stay alive from day to day hunger. Potent instinct, maybe get too sick to go out. After old bread wilted vegetables. It takes weeks to die of starvation. Do you ever try starving for weeks? Lou noted you will appoint is somebody would find out a janitor landlord. Somebody and they'd get him to A. Mock. Kane argue with it here. There were five bankbooks thirty two thousand dollars, and she took good care of them. They look almost new Jewish. You did most important thing in the world. April, twenty, third, nineteen, seventy, one, hundred and fifty dollars. Beings pretty dark. Shouldn't be, faded. She probably never took it out in the light. Anyone ever think of testing the ink. What for banks records always check? These aren't forgeries of. That's what you think. We'll I'd like to get a chemist working on this end. Mark Look this is strictly against regulations. I gotTA take these books down to the squad room. Assign them in pretty dark ink for nineteen seven. Well. It's about five o'clock in the afternoon. I guess I could hold them over tonight and bring them down the property. Click in the morning. Good I, know where I can find chemist. Mr Wilder. There's no doubt of it. The ink sample is typical links used fifty years ago. a thousand nine hundred seven would be about right. You see well. I was supposed to go to the trotted tonight, but according to the amount of oxidation, it's fresh enough to be on the few months old there I was right could not could not be the result of unusually careful handling. No, yes, yes I. Suppose it good. An airtight compartment, perhaps sealed with one of the inert gases or vacuum that might account for the lack of normal aging Lou. You can't keep an guesses atop bureau drawer and a fourth floor. Walk Up, yeah! Well. It's probably some simple explanation. Refresh Inc half a century old. Only. I've been going out on these cases for about a year. It's my specialty playing old people, and when I'm not working television or something. Broadway, I. Know Don to the homes for the aged or the parks or just watch. Loops, no friend of mine and he put me on these malnutrition cases. There was more to it than just picking up color and tricks of the trade. There had to be a better reason for. Can't Jeff Stop to death with upwards of thirty thousand dollars right at your fingertips. Not Without at least buying a bowl of soup. I had a run of television and get me busy for about a month. Then loop eighth called me up and asked me to come down to Bellevue I, lost topsy. If you wanted sergeant, but I can give you the cause of death right now. Malnutrition to senile psychosis. What's up Lou well? Mark and old guy was found wandering around down on Hester Street, suffering from malnutrition. He had seventeen thousand dollars in cash inside. The lining of his jacket is is alive. No, not now he hasn't. Got Them in the room there, but he was stumbling around when the cop on the beat picked him, did he say? Well. He talked to the COP pretty. SMART Young Kid. Seems. He kept talking about money about his wife. She must been dead twenty years. And then just before we went out completely, he did say something. Maybe three or four times will what was it? El, Greco. You mean the artist what Tanglewood said he's. The officer picked him up. Setting remember he'd heard the name on that television quiz program. You know the jockey. Who's the ought explicit? Greco probably Greek restaurant where he was bumming as meals. Are, you sure you want top seed in late. I won't get to do it to Lamar. Right. Take your time as an something else. Isn't there lou? Maybe mark. Van The old guys room and there was an ad tech over the sink. Nothing too unusual. Here it is. Men and women wanted like work suitable for oh, people, no references required well. I checked it with Lieutenant. He says forget it says it figures for an old guy to be interested in an ad like that guy was seventeen thousand dollars in cash out. Well I didn't figure. I'd argue lieutenant you mind if I keep it. No go ahead. Old brownstone house in east eighties. I got in line with the rest of the applicants. My face was line with Logan Ringo's and I were an antique shiny suit rundown shoes. A good makeup job. I look more authentic than the rest of the old timers were waiting for the interview. I finally came up to where a woman was asking questions name. Current. Current. Current Address we're. Doing. Exactly have a place evinced in Philadelphia on Twelfth Street friend. I met him in a cafeteria previous occupation. Today Larry things used to be printed. Way Back. I could hand, said you have any references. Family. Who Knew Him Family. A headache, cousin in Short Lake City but. Haven't seen him in two years more. The. Add said you didn't need no last night now when you wait in the other room years man. Do I. Get the job. Men just wait in the other room for. Shuffling into the other room and sat down to wait. I concentrated on building a character for Louis Current. I was going to carry this through I was going to have to play a better performance I've ever given before. Half an hour. A young woman came into the room, I, reducing the way an old man would, and so my eyes were closed when I heard the door close. When I opened them, I was looking into a barrel of a thirty eight revolver. You awake now Mr Weldon. MEM- I don't think. On anymore. If you need any further convincing, you are mark Weldon. You're about forty years old and you played the same character on television about six weeks ago. You played at fairly well. Thank you. Do you mind putting down that gun? Yes. Why did you apply for this position? Mr And you're not old, not really. Well As a matter of fact, it was a bet was having an argument about the method with an actor who trained at the old VIC I. I better than that I could well I could get by off the stage down Baba even very busy recently, trying to find out why senile psychotic starved themselves to death. How did you know that I happen to know that you've been president? Several police investigations into these cases. You're a good friend of sergeant loop or you know a great deal more about me than I do about you I would be glad to enlighten you. My name is May Roberts I'm the daughter of the late Dr, Anthony Roberts the physicist who was dismissed from the Brookhaven Atomic Energy Laboratory five years ago. I assume you're connected with these starvation cases are. You wouldn't have known I was investigating obvious, isn't it? I'm not afraid of professional. Detectives Mr Weldon. They deal only with facts. I don't like amateurs. They guess too much. They don't stick to reality. Consequently. They're likely to get too close to the truth. Unfortunately, Miss Roberts I'm nowhere near the truth. I haven't the slightest idea how you're tied in with those starvation intended. Show you MR, Weldon. And happy to announce that you have the job. Look Move Mr Walden. Oh incidentally. About fifteen minutes ago I call Sajjan pay and told him I was your sister just in from Pittsburgh? I wanted to get in touch with you very badly and sergeant papers very sorry. He wished he could help me, but he didn't have the slightest idea where you were. All right Mr Weldon. Right ahead of you, please. Through that door. Levin. Looks like this gamble isn't paying off very well from sixty four years ago. 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The boat was ten to one Russia voted against it, and the twelfth member Yugoslavia abstained the resolution designed as its backers as a compromise to avoid a showdown vote between East and West on conflicting principles of disarmament, meanwhile, the Soviet parliament yesterday endorsed a plea from Japanese makers. The parliaments all over the world strive for an end to test of nuclear weapons. How Marine trained, and what twenty seven thousand marines thick of those methods became a sharp issue in the Court Martial of Staff Sergeant Matthew mckeon yesterday in Paris. Island McCain is the thirty one year old drill instructor from worth to Sir Massachusetts who led six Marines to their deaths last April. Eighth in water, covered marshland, bordering the five thousand. Acre Marine. Training Center, the charges against mckeon include involuntary manslaughter oppression of recruits by mass punishment and drinking on duty. The Democratic National. Committee charged yesterday. White House associates have done a snow job to gloss over president. Eisenhower's illness, the Democratic Digest publication of the Party, said another public questioning of Major General Leonard D Heaton Commandant of Walter Reed Army. Hospital and other presidential doctors is clearly in order. The doctor said one news conference a few hours after Eisenhower's intestinal. Operation June night, the magazine Civic Callous campaign had been carried out by men around the president to make it appear that Eisenhower wasn't a sick man at the time of his operation. The Senate last night both increase federal grants to the states for needy, aged, blind and disabled persons, so they would get at least five dollars a month more. The sixty two twenty one boat was the first test on the long stymied social security bill, which passed the house a year ago. It represented the feet for the Eisenhower Administration. House debate on civil rights legislation opened yesterday with its backers as expected winning the first test boat, the one fifty one to one zero three was to limit debate to two days southern opponents of the bill tried in vain to have the limitation laid down in terms of hours rather than days it was only a technical point many which are expected to be raised before the bows can get to a final vote. Perhaps on Friday limitation applies only general debate, not amendments your side issues. Indications were that the house would eventually pass the bill and send it to. The Senate were would die in the rush to adjourn. Several High Administration leaders reported yesterday is firmly backing hotly debated Defense Department to slash the size of American armed forces. Perhaps drastically, no final decision is expected for several months, perhaps not until after the November election, but well-qualified authorities reported yesterday in their view, substantial cuts in Army Navy and Air Force manpower would not endanger the objectives of American policy overseas. And a young woman doctor calmly delivered her own baby on the front seat of her Sunday while her jittery husband was driving her to a New York Hospital Dr Helen Stein said women today make too much of giving birth. The natural way is best. This was by far my easiest delivery, and my other two boys were born in the hospital. On one thing more twelve year old Peter boss worth Chicago youngster. When asked whether he wanted a little brother or sister replied if it wouldn't change mommy shape too much, I'd like a pony. Though some of the day's top news stories reported in the newspapers of Tuesday. July Seventeenth Nineteen fifty-six on your radio x minus one the old Derwich which continues now on classic Abo Theater. She didn't look like the kind of girl who we get the whole gun on news I went down the hall. So that's all I did just go down the hall. I climbed up to the fourth floor large room. was a maze of electrical equipment voted down tubes and wires and dials in the middle of the room was a wire Mesh Cage. Kept that gun on me steady as a rock. She began to set readings on the dials and flip switches on the control panel. It'll take about five minutes for the field to build up Mr Weldon. Get an cathode area after you mean. Wire Kale ahead all right all right. Now. My wouldn't advise moving now. Mr. Weldon Wia Carey some ten thousand volts. Weldon You're curious. And you could turn out to be a great nuisance to me. As long as you come this far, we might as well both benefit by. You'll find a suit of clothes on the floor. They're put it on after all Don. I didn't know whether she was bluffing about the liquid charge. Revolver looked real enough so I. Changed into the clothes. Shoes a little to tighten pointing him. Color of the shirt was to stiffly stocks into high on my Chen suit to narrow at the shoulders and the ankle's. I remember my father had assumed like that. Same Shiny new surge. All right in your pocket. You find a set of envelopes. You find a set of instructions on each. Follow them carefully. You will. Use the envelopes in the order they are arranged. What's this all about to weld and it? When I said this could be a benefit to both of us. Know. He's explaining anything you find out and don't try to escape. It can't be done. All right. Now the field generators already Robertson. Follow Instructions Mr Weldon. I arm. I blinked. I was standing outside a bank day in spring I stared at the people passing by. They were dressed like the characters in the nineteen thirty movie. Women were long dresses and flowerpot hats. Men had hard straw hats suits with narrow shoulders. Cars Square with flat radiators in the front. The trolley car passing behind. Suddenly I realized that the last trolley car stopped running in Manhattan years ago. I tried to figure it out. Who's New York alright I recognize some of the buildings? I I figured it must have been hypnosis. And then I looked at the first of the envelopes in my pocket. I read it and walked into the bank. Asa Are Mr. Golden tells me Jewish to open an account. Yes, that that's right well. We're very happy to have new positive very happy. Indeed, 'cause you realize these to talk in sound condition very sound. You didn't worry about all those rumors and this bank. No Sir, solid solid. That's good right now the name. Mark Welcome. You have addressing the city at present no, no, and you depositing one hundred and fifty dollars. That's right all right. I'll just check the slip here. One hundred and fifty dollars ran. And the date. May Fifteenth of course nineteen, thirty, one thirty one. The pressure on now, Mr Welcome. This is a very good year for business. This temporary recession is bound to abate sound banking policies through. It's just around the corner. You know what what is prosperity all right? Mr Weld and we're very happy to have your account. I went outside the bank and I stood there in the spring sunlight and let the terrorists so to. The entire situation was nine at the edges of my mind, and then suddenly I wasn't there. Was As fast blinking. I was outside another bank in the same city. A date on the next envelope was may twenty ninth, and was still nineteen thirty one. I made a seventy five dollar deposit there, and then one hundred dollars of another place a few days later, spending a few minutes each time and going ahead anywhere from a couple of days to almost a month. Nineteen, thirty four. I, find myself inside a brokers office. Very well Mr Wilson as I understand that you are buying this talk, Dr Anthony Roberts. That's right. I assume the stock will be his name. That's right. I'm I'm just acting as agent talking I follow instructions of course well. Are you sure I can't convince you that? You're making a big mistake? No, no these online instructions Amherst Weldon a we are a reputable brokerage house, and well frankly I feel quite shaky about putting our clients money into this kind of security There's no future in it. It's a rare metal which there is very little use for industrial purposes and. Well however if your client is adamant, I have my instructions very well in. In the name of Dr Anthony Roberts one hundred shares of Montana uranium. Most, unwise, most unwise, and the conclusion of x minus one the all die rich from July Seventeenth Nineteen fifty-six in three minutes on this Friday edition of Classic Radio Theatre Unique Items for strange times. 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Just as those senile psychotics and done the ink on their bankbook seem fresh because it was fresh. Wasn't given a chance to oxidise. Three hours going I'd be back at my own time in a few hours with fifteen thousand dollars compound interest in cash. Those. Old People had died of starvation somehow with all that cash and banks. I didn't know how it happened to why. But suddenly it occurred to me that I didn't want to be found dead in my hotel room. Rather than make the deposit. Nineteen, thirty, eight I grabbed cabin grabbing step on it. got a mile away from the bank, and then the cat suddenly disappeared. Find Myself in. Front of a counter at a lunch room. The envelope instructed me to make a bet on the world series. There wasn't any way to get out of the range of the machine. Pick me up at least five miles away from where I was supposed to be. Came back a week later to get my winnings was hungry, so I got myself a hamburger and went out the door. When I hit the sidewalk, it happened again. Don't touch. The Cajun's dwelled and. I'll have to clear the charge. What happened to my hamburger? What the Hamburger I had gone! I'm hungry. I'll get you something to eat. Mr Well before your next trip. You've done pretty well for yourself, haven't you? Yes, yes, I have about fifteen thousand. I had catch up on my sleeve. It's gone. And I want to talk seriously with you now. You've seen part of what I'm doing. Art My father was discharged from all his research and university connections, because he insisted in publishing his findings on the temporal field research. All conventional physicists explained that it was over Work Han. Recommended everything from hot bouillon before retiring psychoanalysis. Possibly, both of these might have been beneficial. But the fact of the matter is the temporal field. Activities are quite true and you've seen proof. Rela I suppose I just a question of money, although obviously can get all I need now that sending people back through time to bet on sure things like uranium, fair exchange. I pay well for service. Don't I I suppose so, but that isn't the most important thing. I've been able to save things that would have been lost. Otherwise. I've sent people back to find. Precious treasures that would have been destroyed would have disappeared. Painting And the original score of Mozart's magic flute there would have been burned in nineteen, forty, two and a Picasso Miniature there would have been lost at sea and fifty two I have them all here stolen. Oh, bought with money from the year itself at a fair price. Well Mr Weldon. I sent you back because I needed someone to work with me on a regular basis, someone whose faster and more alert than the old people have hired Donau why hopefully it's a function of the things. You can't send somebody back to a year in which they didn't exist at all. I'm hung lease Mr Weld and this is very important. My father died trying to prove the validity of his field theory to conventional scientists and I. Don't intend to bother. We can become the most powerful people in the world. I don't feel very powerful now. You haven't got a sandwich hanging. Off of Mr Weldon. I need someone to help me. Expand the operation plan the projects and research. I chose you because I was afraid that you might hit on the truth by yourself. Come out of this case. Don't touch the contacts. The field reacts on a random factor for at least an hour. After it's cut off, I'll be careful. Roberts. Why haven't you been able to go back to the time that your father was alive and bring him back before he died dead tissue can't be transported. We tried it with mice and rabbits from a laboratory in nineteen, forty one and they just disappeared like my hamburger. Mr Weldon. I assume that you're interested and that we can make our plans without using this revolver. Hope so. Fifteen thousand dollars is a lot of money. Of course you were able to send those old people back a lot further. Some of them as far back as eighteen eighty. How long would they be gone I mean in subjective time several weeks perhaps a month. They'll more. There's only one problem is Robert. I'm sure we can work out any details. This one is a little hard to work out. You See I'm hungry I? Haven't been this hungry since I got lost in a hunting trip and went without food for three days. You say you forget. I've got an interest in this business because they find some old people dead of malnutrition, thirty thousand dollars, or so tucked away in their pockets. They'd been gone a month or more, and they had to eat during that time, didn't they? When they came back, the food disappeared like my hamburger. Disappear it all at once all over their body in one fast Joe. No you don't understand. They just couldn't take the field transition. They were too old some of them and they lied to me about their age to get the job done, or you can't tell me that. Because I know how hungry I am. And I was only gone about twelve hours. They were murdered at back. A hungry man gets mighty desperate. You'll do almost. Go. Look out the cage the context. She fell into. That cage disappeared before she hit the ground I didn't know what happened. I know she said. The field worked in a random factor whatever that meant. I call loop and he came to the house just after the fire started. Something went in the control panel and it turned out to be a four alarm fire before they got it under control. It was nothing left at the machine. There wasn't much left to the Brownstone House. LA- didn't believe the story. I told him. I mean they won't be anymore. No more senile psychotic starving to death with a bankroll pocket I told you I'm on mark. We get plenty more. We always have. Bet You won't I'll bet you dollar. 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Hope show transcribed direct from Hollywood. Out. From Hollywood. The George Burns Gracie Allen show now. Here's your host. Why Cox Eve Arden Stars as our Miss Brooks from the last season of the show July seventeenth, nineteen, fifty, five, as our Miss Brooks plans a trip to Europe on a teachers salary Arms Brooks Jarring Eve Arden. Comedy episode of Armaments Rooks, transcribed? Well like many of us around this time of year arm, Brooks, who teaches English at Madison High School has been making plans for the summer vacation last Thursday morning at breakfast. She discussed the subject with her landlady. Davis this summer I'm really going to relax and enjoy myself good for you, honey. Well I've been thinking of Europe. What a wonderful way to spend your vacation I can see you now all the warm summer night shitting out in our backyard thinking of Europe. Going to think about Mrs Davis I'm determined to travel this year. My goodness, what made you arrive at that decision? But frankly I couldn't resist. Those Hawkins traveled posters all over town. You've seen them. Let Hawkins, guide you through Italy let Hawkins Guide you through France well. Yesterday I went to their office and told them what I could afford a summer vacation. What did they say? Let, Hawkins Guide you through, yonkers. When I told them I was a teacher. They made me a very interesting proposition. All I have to do is get three friends to take one of their tours and I get mine for a third of the price. That sounds wonderful. Connie, how you progress so far so far all I need is three friends and the third of the price. Maybe you might like to take the tour with me, Lou, Connie. How could I the only possible way? I might afford a trip like that would be if I were detect all the back rank. Owe Me. That lets you. Davis if I paid you back, Everything I. Oh! I didn't mean to Ruin Your Day Connie your credit still good with me, besides even if you did make a substantial payment to me through some sudden miracle, I still couldn't go abroad I feel like should spend the summer with my sister Angela Oh isn't feeling well Mrs Day well. She's all right physically, but the poor thing gets more absent minded every year. She really needs me. Connie did I tell you about our last telephone conversation. No, you didn't. Know I didn't want. You. Didn't tell me about your last phone conversation where you sell them. Tell me about your phone conversation. Couch line down. To get back to my plan. Walter, then, be right there Walter. She's not coming in for breakfast. We've only got six eggs left. I'd like to make A. What is it? Why don't you tell her about the Hawkins Travel Agency? Maybe his parents would like to send him away for the summer. Probably love to send him away but I. Don't think it would be fair to Europe have enough of a food problem now. There's something different about the car. They Walter. You made it very cheerful somehow. Just by adding you Miss Brooks. Now there's something plus me I know. You've painted the top nice shade of Sky. Blue I've done better than that. I left the top at home. Looking at the sky itself. Alad better than looking straight ahead nothing to see there, but fleeing pedestrian. Water have you noticed the travel posters all over town? Construction Y. I was just wondering. How would you like to eat your way travel across? Across Europe this summer me calm. My folks would never let me go abroad alone so much the better. Maybe they'd enjoy EURROPEAN. Now I'm afraid, not miss? Brooks. They've already made their plans for summer vacation. Well, I'm sorry. They've got other plans water. It would have been. A. All Harriet run long. Yes Hi Miss Brooks I. Find This guy. Was the domes. Don't! How is my favorite English teacher this morning? Oh Miss. ENWRIGHT is fine Wisconsin. Referring to you, my dear I. Tell you how delighted I am see. I was just thinking of the past year. How you've helped so greatly to make it a happy one for me. We've had article differences I'm unfortunate incidents have occurred like the time you drop the typewriter on my foot. To new spilled the ink on my new suit. And that day in the cafeteria when you want only rush me from behind and scattered a tray full of all over my this and then when you. Go. Run to the bridge isn't it. What I started to say was that I wouldn't have known what to do without you well. That's very sweet of you Mr Concha. Medicine Highschool be without to like yourself. And where would teachers be without a principal like yourself? You're very kind. Generous to. Your loyal, you're sincere. You're on your benevolent. You're true blue. Oh. Sorry got to wait my turn. I heard you were thinking of travelling this summer and I heard you were thinking of travelling this summer. I was considering the possibility of a trip to. Considering Switzerland we'd love. Lulu Wild about Switzerland. Who New Lewis so relaxed. Under invigorating, it's colorful, it's. Delightful! It's on spiring. Almost miss your turn again. Do, elect to travel I'd like to call a certain agency for your attention. Have you heard of the Hawkins Fab Agency Oh? Yes, indeed, they are very efficient. They're extremely. They're up to the minute of their progressive. I pass. Let's just say we agree that the Hawkins Agency is the one we'll both US this summer. You've been most cooperative this. Sweet. You say you're extremely thoughtful. You're. Gone before we go around again, there's something I'd like to say. that. This is the first time I've ever heard of two people polishing the same apple. The! Seventeenth nineteen, fifty, five, our Miss Brooks on classic radio. Theater while you have free time. 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Code USA THANKS FOR TUNING INTO CLASSIC Radio Theater, on your favorite station, our Miss Brooks, starring burden July, seventeenth, nineteen fifty five. While Miss Brooks thought she had a great proposition when the Hawkins. Travel Agency agreed to take her through France and Switzerland for the third of the regular price if she'd provide three other tourists. Mr Cockman however has made the same deal with them. And so far he and Miss Brooks succeeded in selling just one other person on the service, namely each other. In the school cafeteria at lunchtime, as is awaiting prospect number two the person Mr Boynton as the person that Mr Blonston is completing an important phone call in the booth across the room. Things are going just fine so far. Yes, I've got one of the customers I need for our deal. All sewed up is to Hawkins. When I told him I was going to use your service to our principal Arba jumped down my throat. Now all I need to more and I'll be on my way to Mexico. I don't anticipate a bit of trouble. What am I prospect is waiting to have lunch with me right now? Well. Thank you, Mr Haugen I still AVISTA. I'll be over soon. As I stopped at the steam table Miss Brooks. US Oh. You shouldn't have done this Miss Brooks wanted to buy lunch for you today. You did I have the checks right here very thoughtful to take care of it, though I shouldn't let you do it really now, you can still pick up. Enough that you pay for your own lunch without trying. Nothing's been paid for yet Mister Vardon with cashiers on the way out, and if you want would wouldn't be very gracious. I'll be make an issue of, but now I should. But I don't want this to become a habit. From here on in its Dutch. Fans exciting. Right away Mr, and I understand. You're thinking of doing some travelling this summer. Was Brooks an planning a trip. I. Think it's the only way to spend a vacation now about you. Nothing like it I'm determined to travel this summer. Where to Miss Brooks France and Switzerland mostly. I can picture it now then. San interlocken going to Mexico Acapulco Ensenada. There's nothing like it miss. Brooks the cities you just mentioned are in Mexico Switzerland now I'm not prejudiced. Take a peek at Mexico before I hit the continent or better yet. Maybe I can persuade you to come to Europe with me. Miss Brooks Mexico's pretty exciting Switzerland. Big Rating Mexico so Colorful Linda, so majestic Mexico is so romantic. To lend is so Mexican. I mean it would be nice to travel together Mr by. Planning a very luxurious triplets brooks I'd want to see something of the backcountry. Oh naturally naturally I can see us now. Sitting together under a big Mexican Moon, hire a couple of donkeys, and after five days of steady writing, we'd be deep in the Interior. US now standing under a big Mexican? Brooks. I'm extremely interested in the. Of the ASHTEC AND INCA civilization? Come to think of it, there's no one with whom I'd rather explore those old ruins than you. Whether to feel flattered or have my face lifted. Where ever we decided to go this summer. I think a good travel. Agency is most important, don't you do yes, I do. Have you heard of the Hawkins agent say? was just going to ask you the same question. They're very efficient, extremely a leg up to the minute progressive and I pass again. It's agreed you'll use the Hawkins pan-malaysian I wouldn't go anywhere without them positively miss. Brooks absolutely Mr Sheehan. Miss Brooks. Hello, but I caught you before your next class, I've been anxious to find out how you Mr Conklin this morning wonderfully. Walter he's promised to use the Hawkins Travel Agency this summer and better than that, so has Mr Boyne. Now, all I need is one more customer and it's Gabri for little. Cute and I think I've got just what you want right here in my pocket, you'd never said. Customer exactly I heard from Harriet Mr Stones coming over this afternoon, and I happen to know that he's extremely interested in traveling this year. Of course, he might be a little tougher to approach than the others, but I've thought of a way around that waller. What would I do without you? Don't even think of such a bleep prospect. Miss Brooks if. You're to sell Mr Stone trip. You've got to do it graphically, not just with words, but with gestures and costumes harm. Yeah. I figured that out to in the home. Economics Room is a complete wardrobe designed for the senior show. There's one black satin gown in particular in there. That's guaranteed to make young men old and old men young. KILL GARMENT ooh! How do you know? You? The tighter, the better pawn. You want Mr. Stones is to bones, don't ya? Yes but I don't want them to roll down his G.. Worth a try though a try. Why in this dress? You'll look like a continental spy. I just wanted to go abroad for the summer. I. Don't want to be deported. Well it seems that both Mr. Economists Brooks have the same prospect in mind as Third Tourist Hawkins Travel Agency. This doesn't seem to a logical when you consider that. They had the same prospects in mind for the first two tourists as well. However this time they have both decided to convince their mind graphically well. Harriet if Mr Stone will fall the line of Malaki I'm if you act upon my suggestion. Utilize Hawkins Travel Agency this summer we'll get. For practically nothing. Mound Great Daddy and this costume you put on should certainly help to convince him. We were lucky to find a flower lay in this in the senior show box. Beautifully that day Hawaiian shirt you're wearing A, we can only hope. That must be Mr Stone. No I'd like to talk to him alone Harry! I'll go out through interoffice good luck. Good afternoon could i. o pardon me, Madam. You right the first time Mr Stone it. Is Indeed I- OSGOOD CONKLIN ALOHA A la. No doubt you're wondering why. I'm drifting. Own All night principles come to school lower laze around their necks. I could explain very rapidly. Mr Stone but first. Let me ask you something. Does this costume of mine give you any idea I should say it does before I. Have you dismissed? I'm going to find out where you're hiding the bottle. I'm never touch and. Beverages, mistletoe I'm really trying to create a mental image. Boy, you a mental image. I wanted to go back. WHO MY LITTLE GRASS SHACK! All. The WHO do. I women. Conkland put down that Ukulele. Haden's but. Khalili. Well whatever it is. Put It away. You can leave of your senses knows it's just by heard. You're contemplating trip this someone well I thought I might be able to give you an idea of where to go. No. I could easily give you an idea where. I'm well aware of the efficacy of graphic description. That's why I'm clad in this fashion I'm Mr. Stone Represent Lulu. Lulu. 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Contradicting I haven't decided yet where I'm going lay. Have the. On. A. No cut that out. I came over here to discuss the curriculum for next semester. I can do so without any further interruptions I'll be very surprised. This. Love y'All. And, they say television isn't bringing back Bob Bill. Brooks. What are you doing in that Parisian gown and an Alpine? Trying to represent France. And Switzerland, but Seventeen Maung Bo of course now there is nothing like Perry. In the summer, the actor young. Phase last conquer and Piccadilly Circus. Miss Brooks Piccadilly Circus happens to be in London righto governor, but if you sound nearby, you wouldn't WanNa miss that now, would you? See this is when you leave. You must come with me to Switzerland in the Alpine villages that are French. You will find the winds a women and Then we go to the CEO. Noticed the difference a big difference. Yeah, there with women on the song you get beer. Beer. Bottles on you ski down the whole mountains without your skis. All very enlightening other. Wrong is a no lightning in the Italian our. Tally, Out. You nor a member. Switzerland's it. Old. I don't know about the rest of you, but to me. This sounds like Arthur, Godfrey and his enemies. Just trying to convince you to travel through Switzerland this summer down. I have no intention of going to Switzerland Miss Brook good. Point. I'm not going to Mexico either the cross. He's not. Only. And I am not going to visit the Hawaiian Island. Then, where are you going Mr? Sound I'll tell you in a moment but I. May I say that I'm very touched that you're also anxious to have me with you during the coming vacation well, that's because we're all so fund of you Mr. Stone and you'll be pleased to know that you're all going traveling with me this summer. See by bringing in three customers. I get a very reasonable deal from Hawkins. Plan for us is a walking trip through Dacas Africa? 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Now on Classic Radio Theatre Peg, Lynch and Alan bunce the couple next door from July seventeenth, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine PBS radio present a couple next door, written by peg limbs, and starring Hey Glen and Alan Bunn. Well Morning Good Morning. And Efi I? Don't know why I say Good Morning. It doesn't look very good. Looks Funny operate o'clock in the morning. Here parts sausages and scrambled eggs. A favorite breakfast. Why Oh! Why? You wait and see every. She wants something she sees me something. I like softening up process then. If you in suspense, then Dear I. Call Your mother last night and they would love to take bobbing. We're in Europe I. told her Aunt Martha couldn't come and take care of the children after all and that if she would take the baby, we were thinking of taking betsy to Europe with us. Oh honey feel coffee all over your on any mice breaking. The Europe I. Told You last night I refused to even discuss your. Idea Oh why why. To begin with we can't afford it. Picking how much what all we have to do something we have nobody to lead Beth. I don't see why you even refuse to discuss. It would be something she'd remember all her night. It would be education without even seeming to the educational become fortunate. He seems to be the modern point of view. I, said I will not even discuss another. Begin with I haven't got time. There yesterday do. Eight o'clock it's only thick. I said all the clock ahead. Crock I thought we should go it. I thought I thought what are you? Going, I've got to get a birth certificate the day and half and her passport pictures, and all that set in six o'clock, Friday dear everything close at the courthouse. How how does it look taking eight year old European? Everybody will think we've made the money. Even if it doesn't cost much ticket, people think does here. We are knee-deep and mortgages care what people think my goodness. That's that's. 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Get bridgeport amperage killer plugs can't get away from my bridgeport spray. I had to go downtown L. on my way home. I just happen for a man. I'm glad you did you take your coffee black? Yes, thank you, goodness. You sail from New York two weeks from today don't. Well I. Don't think I'll feel that. I'm really going until I'm on the vote. Course we've had a little problem. Just come up. What now and Martha is going to come and stay with Betsy, bobby ANA now. Her daughter Carol broker legs. Martha's going Zona for the summer to help her. Just four children's I guess carol-lee Jerry and all honestly. Going do. Nearby mothers can take two children back mine handful with Graham. Who can do a thing per south? But Mother Piper said she can manage one, so we'll leave bobby with her. Fat. That still leaves Betsy. O.! Eill yet well, you know men. Of course. My dear husband said well. Can't you lead betsy with some brand? I said my goodness. You can't ask even a good friend to keep your child for six weeks. Yes, well, we have of from them, yes. Of course I'd love to take betsy but. Well friends mother's coming to visit Oh oh L. Noor. I wasn't handing good heavens I didn't mean that at all. I'm going to think of something. I talked to Mrs Brady yesterday. You know she's in the women's Club and poor thing. She's just stick. They plan to take three children on his marvelous trip around the country now children don't want to go. They have their own friends and I know our Jeffrey getting to the age now where he doesn't even want to be seen with. No Mrs Brady said. We should take betsy to Europe with A. We should take her while she was still young enough to want to go on a trip weather. Take Betsy to Europe. How wonderful you think, we'd be foolish to do with early evening or something. She'd remember all her life if you can take her and you don't then. I think you are foolish. Then said if you can take, and you don't take it. Then I think you are fully so there. You were worried about what people would think. The reason Elena said that was to prevent you from Dumping Betsy on her that take care all railing I see why you an intelligent man should worry about what people think. Go through life worrying about that. You can't please all the people all the time. Isn't that it's just that I I mean I don't know I. Never Thought of Taking Betsy. That's all the whole idea just seems so so. I know that it would be wonderful for just the other places and things. She's going to be studying about his school later on deer. How London Shakespeare's cottage and all that? Side. Of the Sistine Chapel, Michaelangelo painted enrollment in all these. Much, how much will I took me on a trip to the bills of Wisconsin when I was only five years old and I still remember every did of it there you see and we have a movie camera. Take lots of pictures, and if we show them each year, it will revive her memory because she remembers that trip. We took when she was two years old, and that's only because she sees the movies we took him in. Yes. That's true that's. Don't hitch up your chair and close in for the kill I am not weakening in the slightest. These fatty will be half of ours. Half of two hundred forty five dollars is one hundred and twenty to fifty less been. You paid for your goal cloud all. Coming back by plane. Let's say her parents approximately the same, even figuring one hundred twenty five dollars coming, going to two hundred and fifty dollars. Less than you paid for that power lawnmower, we didn't need wait a minute. For Food you know betsy hardly anything. You may not eat anything, but she orders everything inside my. She can't order it if it's in another language that we'll have control over what you order not now for that matter, I don't see why we order anything for her at all now. If we each give her a little off our place, it would be more than she. Eating how we would just ask for an extra fight for visas. We're not going to be sitting some hotel dining room in Paris and ask for an extra plate and. Divvy up our food with vetting all right all we can ordering Allah card and it'll be cheaper because she doesn't like things like well. You know shrimp. Anyhow, Salads. They're wasted on them. What about hotel reservations? They're already made. Just have a contract in for dear. I was down at the travel. Bureau today, Dan I talked about it and she said half the time. They don't even charge an extra per child any our nothing. Why are you so determined to take betsy? And I don't know I got worried. I was over at Mrs. Brady's yesterday is my goodness. You should have heard how her daughter talk to her, but she wanted name Anyhow Cynthia. Cynthia was just so upset at the thought of going on a trip with her parents and missing some dance of all things well, she's fifteen and F.. Just at that age. He has her friends now. Children grow away from their parents when they get their own fans. We're no different. It's something we're going to have to face to listen when betsy and bobby are alright, I suggest taking them on a trip by Golly I'll bet my kids will be to go. You don't think so. I didn't say anything. That means you don't think so. Dear. Parents and children are the same the world over eighty. You hang onto your children's height. They have psychological problems later or you. Steer yourself and let them go and I. I don't know it's just a when you do. Take an eight-year-old along on the trip. I mean that's basically the old enough ner young enough so that we have any fun hunt. I thought you were going on business. And please betsy get sick on the different kinds of food or water we do which is more likely. Children are much more adaptable things than grownups are. She'll want to go to the top of everything. Do you mean by that? You'll want to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. She'll walk up to the top of the leaning Tower of Pisa. Anywhere you wait and see you know I. I won't. Take Honeymoon. Think. I don't know but while I'm not thinking Pencil and paper, and let's figure out how much taking. Betsy would call home. I don't see it I. Really, don't I I? Don't see how it's possible. is we just figured it out now? By cutting corners here and there which I'm very good at, we can take betsy to Europe. The six hundred dollars I. Just don't see how I know I see it on paper Yes, but what happens on the always spend more than you think you're going. You don't have this. You don't spend it okay bit over thousand dollars. Just stamp collection I, fifteen hundred more just about twenty, five, hundred for Betsy and man I know we won't spend much for six weeks. If it's gone, we'll come home. It won't be six weeks. I'll come home a week earlier and bring betsy after all. She has to start school right after Labor Day. All of that I got get out. You I can't figure out and. We bet you'll wind up babysitting half the time you know then. Why are you so crazy to have a go? Because she was share, my cabin on the boat and I won't be dumped in some perfect stranger. Off. Well now wait a minute gun something else. We sail exactly two weeks from today. Betsy has to have a passport. You'll have to get her birth certificate. Get big, just made take. What's that sign happening? Why did the family? I did all that today? Now don't look like that. I didn't tell betsy why she was having the picture taken. She doesn't know a thing yet. Or you can send for her passport just in case, but she is not to know a thing about it until I. definitely decide. I'll get my pen and outside that passport application, but it is by no means definite that vets Roy. I don't understand men now. 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Longtime Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine is now facing her toughest reelection campaign yet are Laura Rus Brow Telam reports. He's running against Main House Speaker Sarah. Gideon won the Democratic primary this week. The Cook Political Report Calls Me and one of the closest Senate races. It's also become the most expensive in the state's history. Merican government Professor Sandy Nasal a colby. College thinks he knows why center calmed. Approval rating is less than forty percent. When it used to be in the high sixties, she lost it frankly by. 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If the job's too tough for you to handle, you got a job for me. George Valentine. Right full details. See. It's time for another. Let George do it adventure. Now, this story has to do with a worry wart by the name of shoddy McGowan. Who runs a pub over on the east side. Shortly the type of Fella who if he hasn't got a problem? He goes out and finds one. Right now. He's just returned from most successful hunting trip. By as he got up butte. must've Valentine. What's become a terry cable tears J. Cable Swain askmen ever Blue Foam across the woodwork in my place. I suppose you could say it's none of my business. Why a good customer! Friend like bet you just up and disappear! But then again, what kind of human being would that make you suppose? He's in trouble. Suppose he needs help. While Mr Valentine I found something yesterday hock shop that scares the daylights Outta me, Oh Terry Cables and Believe you me. Down here when you give me a hand. Everybody knows where shorting McGowan's places here on these commercial. And joining McGowan. That's me. The guy with the colonists hand. Watch just a Wad. Terry's watch here it is. And that's what you found in the Hawk shop. Railroad station! I was coming back from mayvale. Yesteryear took a couple of days rest walked along the straight that this thing on a window just up and hit me in the eye Terry's watch said that's Terry's. Turned J cable first place hundred. Yard Dash Tristate Conference nineteen twenty seven. Sure Yeah. That's how I knew he liked to show it off. Something one in high school. You know him since high school. No, no just last year, so but e coming all the time. Know what I mean. He had a philosophical guy. I tell you he's a swayed as okay. Okay, but just out of curiosity. How'd you get the watch out of the Hawk shop without a ticket hadn't been claimed. I just bought it. So, it must have been hawked at least thirty, or is it sixty days ago? Wait a minute. Why just finding is watching a hawk shop? May then he's endanger? First Place Young Lady Hey wasn't hopped watch. He wasn't the type and the second place. He's not the tight. Just walk out here six months ago and never come back what I was saying. Goodbye what I mean, and a third place to fourth, whichever is TERI cable was expecting a check a bank check. Fifty thousand, he said okay. So what check from where should I know rich uncle? Dudley, maybe uncle. Sam Search May. A man wouldn't disappear without waiting to get it, would he? Only, if he got it then why hockey the watch! Yeah Yeah I see what you mean. Maybe see why you're so interested in finding him on not me now. No, I'm more one of them. altruism. You understand. Yeah to me. He's just a fellow human being. I'm not interested in his money. Then I wasn't gun. His guy gets better all the time show. He had a gun. Alright. Yeah, I saw it once. When dropped something out of his pocket? Don't ask me why. FELLAS GOTTA gun. You don't ask question. That's what I always figure Oregon attacked. Shortly tell me some more about this cable. He lived as family listen. It might be something, but it might not. You understand. I tried to ask them questions like that once in a while, but he just laugh and go on talking about the baseball games or religious aspects things of that type. Let's see I don't even know where he lived. Who is other friends were? All I know is for a while. He had a job over fat Williams warehouse. Loan Checker that William and also I know this is the kind of neighborhood when things happen, you don't meddle. I'm staying out of it only what's become of them? It's driving me nuts. Terry cable. Never heard of they call you fat Williams. Don't call me a lot of things. So what New Warehouse Business Sunday night lost the five that we were told that Georgia who sent you run to bother me when I'm trying to take a day off for a game a gun? Mind Santa's I'm just looking for Terry cable. That's he worked. Here's a load checker was. A couple of hundred other bums. Wonder their. Streets for three blocks do year all warehouse. Got A GIG A nails on store. Sure sure got a hot car. You'll still that that. I've heard your name before. That's all just take it easy. I thought you wanted to help not a button through your collarbone. Skip it. I, said you place burned down here about a year ago, didn't. I didn't realize you were still around. That's all. You mean you want me to know you were real have character so any information I got I better. Give you. Oh, he's eager beavers I can to your employees to find out about cable, but it'd be so much easier to get information by just simply. C.. J. Cable Home Address worked here. Three months paid fifty dollars a week. He left here fired for spending too much time in the gambling joints lose sprinkles, please, and that's all that's all you gotta say for the love of Dog Forty S. what do you think I am sunny? A danger three. What do I care? What happened to some jerk I never even. What's at? His Watch! Why did you say so in the first place? You WanNa. Find this guy in Delhi what time it is. Get outta here. What you I A game go. SPRINKLE low sprinkle. This is where I thought family. Join was but. Yeah. So new construction, Anyway George. How would a man who are in fifty two dollars a week? Be Able to afford such gambling. Terry. Cable doesn't sound like a very straight character so far. Does he know carried a gun expected. Some big money fired from one job that we know of. You know I'm not even sure why we're looking for. We're not gonNA find a behind aboard. France Angel, you're just as curious as I am. Why short he thinks is important to find this. Building! To Be Nice, isn't it? Yeah. you work on own just watching watch every day going to be hundred and fifteen in that building. Mr All mine every one of the mind. I own. Congratulations to you must know this neighborhood do been located. If Teen Years Beebe Manx as my name occasion looking for place to get situated good transportation, you know central heating, each office or no, no I'm just looking for a joint a joint well Lou. SPRINKLE had a gambling place around I'm sure he's got a new place across town. Real fans and they me. He used to be here all right, but moved out after the fire. What's the address? What fire well the same one burn the olmecs building down my place. It was in the newspapers months ago, Mustang, she'll giving me an idea. Did you ever happen to know a man by the name of Sharon's Jake cable cable? Searching wait a minute. Call Him Terry and that's the one. He was a form and I. Think Wars. The cleanup gang after my here have a mind. You don't know what's become. Know Search me. You're looking for him I no not anymore I. Think I know all I need to know about him. Come on, let's play a fast hunch. Don't you get it Surrey cable wasn't a crooked. Just the opposite. yes, Mr Valentine towns cable has been with us for us. Our insurance underwriters Georgia right. Every place I looked at run into a fire. Any guy who once in awhile carried a gun, and WHO's so gratuitously wrangled jobs and places that had burned. Third place that I do either have an angle or an expense economist or What is Teri a fire investigating? Yes! That's right that answers your question how it solves the riddle. Yes! Mr Everett. But, what did he find? We can't help being curious. That fat Williams warehouse had a lot of valuable. I starred in it when it burned urs, whenever definitely linked to the fire, we looked up in the newspapers. This bb mass collected quite a bit on his fire to. Blue sprinkle knowing the kind of guy. He's supposedly investigated the fires naturally Terry Cables Job, but now if you'll excuse me Mr Bell at. He didn't find anything wrong that it was just pulled off the case, and that's why he disappeared from that part of town. Yes, here's that's the idea, so there's really no Mr now is you can go home and forget about a wait a minute hold on S. Why don't you tell us the rest of it? Whereas Terry Gable now. Let's be calm. Are you asking for a client for yourself? Or what difference would that make? Mr Valentine. It wouldn't make any difference one way or another you see. Terry doesn't work for US anymore. I really haven't the slightest idea where you could find in giving you won't tell me. You, don't want me to look I. Mean those cases are closed besides cable doesn't have anything to do with investigations anymore. So, what business is it of? Yours disappeared so quickly. We thought well. I. Don't know what became left town I think now really. Miss Valentine, relying friend. But okay, if that's the way you want. But I'll be back. You don't want me nosing around because you know what's become Terry cable. Or maybe you're close. Case will be reopened. As soon as I find out why my client was so anxious to reopen it. Still? Don't understand it's. Well. Don't you see why insurance companies that want to protect their own good name Terry cable have to do with? It's all there kind of a guy. Cable was what he did and why disappeared? Hey shorty no customers. Of A short, Charge. Roxy. I! Guess the explanation of Terry Cable have to wait a while. The Guy. Who hired seems to be dead. Poor, shorty. Someone must have gotten tired of hearing about that same question and shoved a Barak down his throat. Well maybe it wasn't quite like that, but we'll find out all the gruesome details just a minute actually in three minutes. We'll check back in with Bob Bailey. What George do it July? Sixteenth Nineteen fifty one on Classic Radio Theatre Picture. This shortage of fuel has closed your electric utility or any other possible disaster devastated your town. You're out of power. No Lights, no news. 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Angel where we know client the insurance underwriters. I thought I would only want to stand just as soon. The police shor-short protect your offices. Reputation I understand Mr Rubin. I'm rather new here. I'm only pinch hitting for the regular man who runs this office and. Roxy Terry Cable Work for this office. He was bonded trusted employees. He was in charge of investigating all those fire. Yeah worked hard I. Guess got jobs of the GUYS HAS BUILDINGS AT BURN? He had to do it that way. There wasn't any superficial evidence of fire setting. The companies had to pay off, but we thought in time. Yes, he was convinced there was something only about the fires. Each case resulted in actual prophet as far as the owners were concerned okay. Let's lay the cards on the table. Showing Mr Evert Terry cable found some new evidence and then disappeared with right. Yes, it was bought off. I'm afraid, so there was plenty of proof that he left town all right and to show that he destroyed his own investigation record. Some of the best men in the country of work done with finding his on free will. There wasn't any lives right Miss Brooks. This is the only concrete thing. We turned up BBC. The day before cable disappeared this man. Manx drew twelve thousand five hundred dollars out of the bank in cash nothing. We can do about it because we can't prove how it. But neither, can he. Pay Off Terry Cable. But now that there's been a murder, maybe you can legally force Mr. Him before you came back just now. Mr Manx seems to have disappeared to Yeah, sure he looked like type. Play it safe. You might try looking for skip it. I've got a different way to figure out what happened a long time ago, and maybe why short he was murdered today. I WANNA throw a few dice at a gambler named Luis sprinkle. And what is this proposition Mr Valentine very simple Mr Sprinkle I want some money that make you a man for Mas. Who doesn't come from close to home? From Terry Cable. I think you've done business with Terry in the past. Remember, but I don't think the nature of the business was gambling of course if you say so. Maybe, it was gambling on your part to think Terry wouldn't want to do some more business. Merely because I don't choose to make a definite statement doesn't mean that you can all right right here goes I come from Terry Right now. Terry sent me. He wants more money I. Don't think I heard you correctly Mr! Valentine, you'll excuse me I'm a very big because you might not believe me. He gave me his watch to show you. Take a look. How much does Terry One? Oh, ten thousand dollars to keep him quiet I. think that's ridiculous. He said he still has testimony regarding a few fires. Just in case you try to rub any sticks together, I'd have to see this man myself through my own representative. You might know what you are willing. I couldn't discuss it with you at all. I'm sorry. What's this present feel trouble? Thousand Dollar bill show it to Terry. You understand my good faith so ally. Cautious but faithful. So long sprinkle. George, why did you find money in a hurry? Angel, the Hawk shops the next step down by the railroad station remember. What I may have fought as the answer to this case. Going to find the answer. Yet even find the Hawk shop. Like shutting McGowan wasn't telling the truth even on that one wasn't well. There's not a single pawnshop where they remember ever having that watch Terry. Sue from here on the answers one-two-three. What could have happened angel so I'm going to try a trip to Marysville. It's not far and that wasn't a Li- joy, just let that one slim ben for a couple of days remember. You know what I'm going to look for in Maryville. Terry cable himself. Either validate? Yeah, right here. t the police asked me to meet. You thought you might be right now. And now the trains a couple of hours faster only maybe figuring this kind of a case speed isn't important where they wouldn't see that. Of course, we do things a little differently out here your bank. Okay, thanks! You got the description Oh. Yes, yes, you guys that all right miss. Brooks ended up near sent the fingerprints and all that fancy stuff, but We really haven't gotten around to your case. yeah, well as soon as you little understaffed here and we've been pretty busy with something. Is the cut. You'll figure this. Terry cable may be living around here. Oh, it's not such a long shot. A man named shorty. McGowan apparently came up here and then returned with Terry's watch. Of course that doesn't mean Terry would still be using the same name and a understand our let. Quite sure I do. Let me, tell you some of our problems. It'll take your mind. Is He does cody graveyard out? Here doesn't have a care we'll look. I'm only interested in and a couple of days ago. There's been some Degan little shouldn't have beaten. Don't mind if we take a look. That's why I couldn't get right on your kids to see the county inspector claims there's one too many buddies. Yeah, since when? She thought you might be interested. Nothing recent factors. Since maybe six months ago. But detained Cuban disappeared and. Say Glee. Got Man over there working on it. Shovel. You see what happened. Was Somebody noticed? The Earth had been turned up since the last three. Only when we take a look, it wasn't a new buddy thrown in. It was Nord. And been put three months old audience was originally put. They're about the same time cable disappeared. To do it isn't. Bad Way to get rid of a buddy. Just add him in. When the grave is fresh I mean the time to do. It was executive six all right all right. Let's get rid of the guy with a shovel. Quick late. 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If it's Terry, cable was putting their months ago right and what happened two or three days ago with just the ground got disturbed. Disturbed by somebody, looking for a watch, look I got a complete fail on Kimber, no thing for to do if we went to identify him once and for all modes on. The US Outta here. I. Don't Catch Look I. told you the trains a lot faster than a car, so it's getting dark. That's betty thing for us to do. FRIEND IS MISSI suburb? Because maybe I got here first. Okay so here. I'll be digging. Just. Straighten his. Quiet what'd you? Just opposed to be watching you. Know I watched a dig unseen. What's avenue stretch by in? The grave digger. He worked to destroy judo. Come across the scarlet. Remember just would shoot. But a movie? No headlights. Sure make a pretty target out there. To, show McLeod's jokes oh Lord. We'll. Yeah somebody's getting. Stay out of sight and we. Oh. Oh you normally. been watching me all. The way you watch shorting? Air. I saw the body though. It's Terry cable all right. Where do you need to get him six months ago? So! Nietzsche didn't even have to bother to take his watch. What short he did. A finally figured it out, didn't they ask? Came Up. Here found Terry's body in watch. And then hired made a put a little fear in us, so he could shake you down the way you shook him. On the be careful coming through that fat. or I'll be careful. You don't want another body out here to explain. Because that's what happened isn't investee. You guys had fraudulent fires and then bought the investigator off Twelve, thousand, five, hundred, each only cable was expecting fifty thousand that remember. It'd probably mean four of you instead of three. Wouldn't it fight Williams? BB Max Loose Franklin. Who showed going himself? Was He the fourth? He. Have a fire to. Shovel and get into the car. I'll wait a minute. I. Know who you are all right on. Sure show! How's your game goals? I. Guess The minute I left your office. You knew who sent me headed right over to kill shorty to shut him up before he could go any further. You've gone far enough to fat Williams big shot, but a big secret right something that loose sprinkle for instance didn't seem to know. The Terry cable was really dead that you killed him. You're smart to well. It's fairly simple. You didn't pay Terry off. You just killed him. In six months time short. He finally caught onto. It shortly was smart. He stole some. I tell you that verse Oh. Yes, sure your warehouse, so that's what tied him in He worked with us. He was the fourth one look where it got him busted. Don't try to tie the other thing with that. MANX and sprinkle may have been worried about their fired, but they paid off and cash I suppose short he paid off to. Only Terry was expecting a check one check. He was smart. He wanted that way. So one of you must have collected the payoff dill from the other one like you on the instead of a payoff you kept, know yourself and kill the investigating, and that's all happened. That's all that shorty found out yet up getting a car, but a Mars Sunny. Nobody'll even know. What? You've. All. Pretty Fancy. Yes. Sure you'll get a medal. You missed a mile a watch, but thanks for spoiling his aim. I hit him with a shovel. Understand Angel Apparently Terry cable wasn't even crooked. Six months ago. Fat Williams just persuaded the others that gave a was then he pocketed their dough and kill capable the insurance people and his family and everybody'll be awfully glad that securities name. Only George I still don't understand how you knew it had to be fat Williams. Is, the only one I showed that watch to before short. He's death, so he's the only one who could have known the cable's body. I've actually been found. In other words that short he's nosing around had finally made it necessary for him to be. You're wonderful. Your powers of observation your logic. George while you were up until I, did some shopping I found a real bargain on kitchenware, so being a girl who plans ahead I bought them. For your one room apartment. What in Heaven's name for well like I said. Planning ahead? You'll find out. You've just heard what became of Terry cable another. Let George do it adventure. Robert Bailey was started as George. Valentine with Virginia Gregg is Brooks. David Victor Jackson Gillis wrote. The story and the music was by done stutter. Now, this is yours truly inviting you to another visit with Valentine when you will again here. What happens when you let George do it? July, Sixteenth Nineteen, fifty one. Let George do it on Classic Radio Theater now. You can fly anywhere in the world and pay discount prices on your airline tickets Boca flight today to London. Paris Madrid or anywhere else. 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This episode originally broadcast July Sixteenth Nineteen, fifty-six from Hollywood. It's time now or Johnny dollar. Johnny Eastern. Joe What's up started Capetown starring. Constellation, celebrity or ship on three times star. Diamond about the size of a jumble. Ornament Martini except I'm strictly limited man. Take a look at it. What's interesting about it except it's probably worth one hundred thousand dollars. For All. Three men we know of have been killed over the last fifty years. This stone I liked to see. Where is it? Johnny. Hey. Wait a minute in Capetown South Africa. I'll be right over royal. In every weekday night Bob Bailey in the transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed expense-account. America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator yours truly johnny. Dollar Room. ooh, expense accounts submitted by special investigator Johnny dollar to try eastern identity. Associates Home Office following us an accounting of expenses incurred during my investigation of the Star of Capetown matter. Expense account item one dollar fifty cab fare from my apartment of the office of an indemnity associates Joe. mcnabb was waiting for. Saddam Johnny thanks. So WHAT THE STAR! Capetown sounds interesting. You're interested. We're worried about ever hear of Andrew Landing Forbes the third Moore's for seems to me I've seen this picture in the papers, a couple of times in the national playboy type. That's the one he owns the start of Cape Town now inherited the stone after the recent death of his ass. Johnny like I told you we've got that. Diamond should one hundred and fifty thousand bucks, but Forbes treats it like it was a ten cent store hunk of costume jewellery. What do you mean? He cuts it from place to place wherever he goes Peres Rome the Rivi. Are you name? It has been there and so as star of Capetown who you mean keeps it in hotels. Save stuff like that, but that isn't good enough. For him to put it in permanent custody somewhere, see your point, but he wants to listen to reason. And right now it's a particularly bad period for us. How come four seems to be in one of his party? Giving Moods? He has them every once in a while about three weeks at a time, a big party every night, wherever he happens to be then equal down for month or two probably arresting. But how how companies in Cape? Town, now who knows who knows why he goes anywhere. Does brothers sounds like a real character, but what we want you to do is to talk him out of being a character long enough to put that diamond in a safe place, and to keep an eye on it until he does. We got a plane reservation foyer tonight at midnight tonight. Just look if it's the money a worried about don't be. This means a lot to us. We're willing to pay accordingly show. You may not believe this, but I wasn't thinking about the money than what those three men who got killed over that diamond. You told me about them over the phone Oh. Let the diamonds fifty years old. Those three killings were at twenty thirty years ago. The same three is always a crowd and I wouldn't like to see an increase by one. Expense Account Adam three sixty cab fare to my apartment of and enter the airport where Joe mcnabb met me and told me three tired jokes in two minutes in a very subtle attempt to keep my mind off the three deadman's Gympie me to the plane. Item three, plane. Fair to Capetown South Africa. The plane came in over Cape Town in the early afternoon off to one side toward the famous devil's peak and down below. The Bay glittered like. Looked like was trying to remind me of that dime. Forget a stone or the one hundred fifty thousand in the lives of three people. Don't care to the residents of Andrew Liaoning fogs the third. He'd rented a mansion on the side of a hill. I was onto a terrace, overlooking the city and the bay. Forces waiting for me with a drink in his hand was a thin, faced, elegant, tired, looking character, whose deep tan didn't hide the lines on his face, he could've been anywhere from thirty five to fifty. Drink Well. A little early in the afternoon. Mike, good you off, okays. Quite a place you have here. It's adequate. Mused. Must be fifteen sixteen rooms at least. Adequate seems kind of like an understatement quite positively. Look dollar! It was very thoughtful. The insurance company to send you all the way down here, but also it was well wouldn't unnecessary the word. depends. What do you mean? The company I represent is pretty jittery over that diamond of yours. The Star Tom Would you like to see it or yes, but I think we ought to. Carry it around in your pocket. Not Have Nosema buckets. Look for no, no, no, I'm I'm really not as bad as that. Dollar I I was expecting played a little joke on you. Mr Forbes that Kinda humor shortens my life. Well I suppose. It was a bit girl. Well there is what do you think of it? McNab said it was the size of jumble. Looks more like a golf ball to me quite vulgar isn't. Cutting jobs they didn't. Beautiful. It must be a thousand fests. Yeah, all of them glittering all of them co Lo them surface. Rather like life. Don't you think look? Mr Forbes. If you don't mind, let's skip the philosophy for a minute and talk about the diamond. All, of course you're still concerned about safety. Perhaps this will reassure you. Would you come with me sure? A very efficient wall. Save my bedroom. So you see I do take precautions. You reassured now. No, your bedroom opens off the terrorists. It'll be too easy for somebody to get it that safe. was. After tonight is replaced the diamond in a bank vault. That's the best news I've had all day. Tonight's party it'd be my last one party. Whose Agatha. Eldest sister. She's on a world tour arriving here in Capetown later this afternoon I'm going to surprise it. Wait a minute. You came all the way here to Cape Town to throw a surprise party via sister well. It wasn't doing anything else at the moment. Why not? All I can think of a couple of reasons, but they probably wouldn't sound convincing to you probably not. Although they probably would sound convincing to. And she and I are quite different. Have the time she worries about me and the other. Time she disapproves of me. His quite beneath the dignity of the Forbes name for me to go popping around from place to place like this, I see. She's quite devoted to the cause Forbes name. To, make sure it keeps standing of well whatever it's supposed to stand for I was never quite sure myself so you're giving her a surprise party tonight. What she liked the idea. Probably not. That's what makes it fun. Oh by the way, would you like to come? Well under the circumstances I think I'd better I. I wonder if I could have a guest list a guest. Good Heavens. You, mean you don't have one of course not I, just invite people here their way to see who turns up and you don't have any idea who all's coming absolutely. That's the only thing that makes these bodies worthwhile. Great? A character with a habit of carrying his diamond in his pocket, throwing a party where he didn't know who was coming. This was a situation, not calculated to help my peace of mind. Believe me. Forms that drive take me back to town I stopped along the way police headquarters and talked to Lieutenant Van Tile agreed to furnish man to help me keep an eye on the party. Expense Account Adam six cab fare back out to Forbes. That evening for the party. I thought I was getting there early. We're already quite a few people about a stocky bartenders shoved a drink in my hand as I walked in and I took a look around. Quite a brawl. Then I spotted a girl with honey, colored hair and a green dress that matched her i. Well. It was as good place to start as any. I. My name's Johnny. I know all I'm Sheila. Your friend of Forbes. My you on you around here I show. Maybe you'll find most of these parties. Ranges my transportation. Let's see, do you? What's your excuse for being here in this game mad throng. Matter, of fact, no I just met him this afternoon and vitamin to come in as far for the course. Forbes Youtube gotten acquainted enjoying yourself. Larry's. Wonderful Johnny She's always so gracefully board, is he? Johnny I perform quite a useful function around here. I'm always good for laughs. While Is. Your sister joined the Party Forbes. I of course not. Having John No. She's over by the window. The thin aristocratic tired looking lady Oh, yeah. Yeah. I see what you're. She thoroughly disapproved of this whole Party and the me of course and of me. On Johnny I'd like to meet all. You're taking a chance. You probably disapprove of me to. Know like the respectable type. Thanks I. Guess She thoroughly approve. Seem to have another guest arriving. Would you excuse me? I'll introduce you to. sure the perfect host when he wants. Was the new arrival. Name is Helen Andy matter a day or two ago? I'll say this. Yes, isn't she? Sorry don't be used to. Shoot Him I. Don't get you know. I'm not so hard to figure out Johnny. I think you are. You don't like these bodies anymore than Agatha Watch. Comparing me to her, and she's going to disapprove of you, okay, but I. Still Don't get you. Don't like the parties or Forbes. Other friends that you keep digging along. I've got a perfect attendance record. Why? I guess one obvious reason, but that would sound real corny. Maybe not so let's just say that. After you've been riding America around long enough. Standing on solid ground doesn't seem normal. Well. Maybe if you keep writing that merry-go-round, you'll grab the brass ring someday Yonne. Sheila drifted over the Bar, or she sat quietly drinking the rest of the evening. I somehow felt sorry for. But I knew she bought her own ticket to the American around at least the first ride. I looked over at Forbes and started sweating. He was showing the diamond off to the party. But, before I get to them, Agatha did. She must have told him in dignified with firm tones to put the ice on ice. He laughed and took to his own, so I relaxed. The, party dragged on Agatha managed to frigid pain the rest of the evening, but Forbes was obviously enjoying himself with Helen, they danced and went out on the terrace. Sheila turned her back and concentrated on a drink. At the Bar? John looks like the bartenders gone home. That's probably a good idea. Can I'd. She headed carefully for the door. Then, I realized I hadn't seen force for ten or fifteen minutes. I went out on the terrace. Cody incite. I walked to Forbes bedroom door. Farms. Now answering. One lamp was lit. Forces on the floor. The knife had gone in low under his ribs. He probably hadn't made a sound. 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That's joining. You are beautiful studios here in keene. New, Hampshire, it's and nobody so. There's been a lot of talk about police reform in the news. Ever since the nobody believes that the killing of while you're not gonNA. Believe this either. I'll tell you that. The. Killing of George Floyd of course started off a whole bunch of protests in Minneapolis, and then in other cities, and we've seen some very interesting. Things transpire including the torching of the Minneapolis police. Department third precinct. So. You Can A. What you WANNA look, here's what are these reforms that they're actually proposing and the reforms they're proposing are of course coming from the existing establishment, so you should automatically go ahead and be suspect of anything coming from the existing establishment. Geno way very establishment. Proposals for a radical change. Come down to will do the same thing and call it something else. That's basically what we learned. Recently when we were examining what Biden has been saying about supposed police reforms that effectively he saying the same things he's been saying ever since. The last decade, the the Ferguson Missouri Riots for instance he spoke about the same things back then and the story we read actually it was the The Oh, God, the intercept did a really detailed piece about this and they looked at his. Talk and they compared to what had been happening in a lot of the stuff that he was calling for it already been implemented, and it hasn't done. Jack. Squat in fact Minneapolis was one of the cities in which those ideas were implemented. And, so that led to people burning the police department down, so he's got nothing well. What about people on the the right side of the aisle? You can't look to them for any leadership Harrison either here's the latest from New Hampshire. Where Governor Sununu Christie New Aka His Excellency oh His Excellency who you're running LAS tavist Lucien. He's excellent. Yeah, so it was in the news today NPR had a story about this supposed sweeping reforms. Bill banning police choke holds in New Hampshire becomes law, but does it. Governor Chris New has signed a sweeping bill to overhaul state criminal justice policy, including a ban on the use of choke holds by the police in New Hampshire I don't know if Josh Rogers at New Hampshire public radio. Who wrote the story actually looked at the bill. Because one of our friends was taken a close look at this last night, and he said it doesn't do anything like what they're saying that it does. He looked at the bill. Says the use of a chokehold by any law enforcement officer is prohibited. With the exception. It's not a ban if there's an exception. Straight up whatever the exception is. It's not a ban. It's not sweeping. But here's the exception according to paragraph with the exception of the circumstances in paragraph to a paragraph to A. Law Enforcement Officers Justified justified in using deadly force when he believes. Only when he believed reasonably believes such force as necessary a to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes is the imminent use of deadly force. So, if the COP is scared. He used the chokehold. And they're always scared, right? Wow what has changed? Sweeping dirt. In the desert, yes, in addition the bills and back to the NHPRC peace here which was retooled this session in response to the killing of George Floyd requires police officers to report misconduct. They see on the job and provides money to pay for psychological screenings of police recruits. So. I'm going to pull up the bill. And we're actually going to find out when it says it requires. The police do a thing. I do have to wonder what's the penalty if they don't good question, because usually when the government is supposed to do a thing required to do a thing. There's no actual penalty. It's just. Your bad officer. You didn't do your required to do shame on you. You're going to get a verbal lashing. But the victim will get no damages from the state I. Know that now they definitely won't now. If you want to jump into the discussion here, you're welcome to join us. The toll free numbers, eight, fifty, five, four, hundred, fifty, free like freedom. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three, and there's several pages here so I'll. I'll dig a little deeper, but let's go on, so they say it prohibits private prisons in New Hampshire. Okay well. All the prisons in New Hampshire the prisons suck. Because prison is not a good place to go. There certainly some legitimate critiques about private prisons out there in that, for instance they do tend to have in a lot of places where they do exist. A typical like ninety percents fill rate agreement where essentially they enter into a contract with the state. Saying yeah, we'll do your prison keeping duties and return for you giving us ninety percent of our rooms filled at all times see that seems like a cause of action to me, because there's this thing called misuse of process okay, and that is basically when you use the legal system for purpose other than what it is intended more or less, so for example if you go and arrest a bunch of. A, bunch of people because they're protesting, but you arrest them for an actual crime like spitting on the sidewalk or an actual violation of an actual statute, but that crime is never enforced. That's misuse of. Of. Pros process because you know clearly. If you were intending to prevent people from spitting on the sidewalk, it'd be involved. You would be arresting somebody besides this small group of of. Of people so. If you're imprisoning people for the purpose of fulfilling your contract with some private contractor as opposed of two for the purpose of maintaining law and order than in theory, you should have a real legal problem. So, they're not gonNA. have any real legal problems because they're the state and you know trying to go up against them can result in some pretty crazy stuff happening to you. There's even a story in the news about federal agents snatching people off the streets. Did you hear about that one? Oh, yeah, the unmarked car. Yeah, that's happening now. That's the thing now here in the United States. So we can talk about all those things as well. The toll free number if you WANNA join us is. Four fifty free like freedom. A little bit more here about the story, so they also say it creates so-called Good Samaritan protections for reporting an alcohol related emergency if the person is younger than twenty one. Okay, that's a good one. Yeah I mean I want to hear the details before I concluded that because the devil's always in the details it does. A good like a good thing to do on on its face. The idea that if you're nineteen years old party, somebody overdoses on alcohol. You know they're really sick. You GotTa call the hospital that you don't have to worry that you're going to be charged with also being underage and in possession of alcohol, so the idea being that, maybe if young people were actually aware of this in the idea that they would know what the law is, a is A. A whole other question, but if young people were aware about this, then maybe they would actually call ambulance if their friend is is possibly on death's door way rather than just leaving them at the party and you know running because they're afraid they're going to get arrested. It is best not to punish people for doing the right thing. Yeah, exactly so if that is indeed what's going on there than? Than I agree with it now to NPR's credit, they did actually speak with Jordan Thompson of black lives. Matter Nashua who pointed out the bill is symbolic quote. Police officers can still use the chokehold fear there endanger, or they fear that someone else is in Danger Thompson, and others say the bill should have included harsher consequences for officers if they used the chokehold inappropriately or failed to report cases of police misconduct where there any consequences. consequences. That's what I'm going to take a look for him and addict through the the details in the bill, but it doesn't sound like Jordan. Thompson from black lives matters satisfied with it so I suspect there's very little probably right? The toll free number here is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free, plus the snatching of people on the streets and unmarked vans. We'll tell you about that on the way here. This is free talk live. 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The section on reports of misconduct by law enforcement officers, so they describe what misconduct means assault, sexual assault, bribery fraud theft, tampering with evidence tampering with a witness use a cold or excessive and illegal use of force as defined by the New Hampshire. Criminal Code. Shall be the duty of any law enforcement officer who observes misconduct by another law enforcement officer to notify the chief law enforcement officer in his or her department of writing immediately, or as soon as practicable after observing such misconduct within seven days of receiving such notification, the chief shall notify the police standards and Training Council of such misconduct in writing if the chief law enforcement officer is the subject of the report, the reporting officers shall report directly to the police standards and Training Council. And then they go on to say that no discriminatory disciplinary or retaliatory action shall be taken against any. For any information, given or disclosed by him in good faith and the course of making report of misconduct. And then finally it says that any Police Department that receives a report of misconduct Shell, timely conduct, an investigation and reach a determination on the merits out of they have to investigate themselves and find. They did nothing wrong. That's correct okay. After the investigatory entity determines that the evidence shows the individual committed any acts of misconduct, the name of the Individual, and any act of misconduct shall be disclosed to the police standards and Training Council. That's the end. Wow so the first thing that is notoriously missing from that is any penalty naturally allow law. They intend to have some effect. Goes on to say anyone not doing this show, be guilty of a misdemeanor or felony or even a violation. Even via last night he'll be guilty of something. In this case, all they would be guilty of is dereliction of duty, because it says in section, two shall be the duty of law enforcement officers who observed misconduct to report, so it is now their duty, and if they. They violate something that's part of their duty. Then they get whatever the normal procedure is for violating their duty all officer. We told you this was now your duty and you didn't report that. This other officer stole money from that child over there and shame on you. We're going to give you a verbal lashing twice, and then you'll come back for a third lashing later on today. Whatever the stupid internal department punishment would be. Maybe it's all paid days off they. May Be I mean it could have been. You know hard for them to make that decision, so they may need to have a whole week off because it was ptsd inducing to decide to actually report on one of their fellow officers. Wow, so that's it. That's that's it. That's all just a duty with no punishment whatsoever, and I, don't know if so it says that the name of the individual and the act of misconduct shall be disclosed. Disclosed the police standards and Training Council, so if the department decides that it was indeed a violation was indeed misconduct, then they only have to report the name and the act to the police standards and Training Council. Is that information public, or do they get to keep that private? Why would certainly hope it would be subject to a freedom of Information Act demand, but I suspect that it would not because it would be considered a personnel. So I. Don't know what the answer is to that question. If you want again, if you WANNA weigh in here, the toll free number is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free I know. There has been a push in New Hampshire, to open up what they call I think it's called the Laurie list. Yes, you've heard of this. Yeah, and there's out actually been a call by I. Think one of the former police chiefs that the list should be eliminated as a secret list and everyone on. It should be fired which that makes a lot of sense to me because you're accepting these people's Word as Gospel in court. Even though you know, they're not trustworthy. Emily. That's Raunchy at the very minimum. It should be public. The list and I don't think it. Available to defense attorneys most importantly, if and when we find out what's on this list, every case and then be the cops was. was A was a witness. become suspect I will certainly be looking for the names of the cops. He testified against me on it if and when it shows up, so. Yeah I. Don't know if they've actually changed that. Particular rules I think that list is still confidential. It is so that I suspect that if somebody is found to conducted a been an officer than their name is just going to go on that list, and no one's going to find out about it the circular file. Yeah, so this really absolutely does nothing whatsoever. There are some sections in here where they change. The statutes on. A, certain statutes on punishments of things, so it really doesn't have anything to do with police reform. Anyway. A master of making it look like somebody's doing songwriting. When actually nobody's doing anything? Police officers here. According to the statement Sununu called the measure, which crafted by Democrats see it's bipartisan. Oh, well, that helps a good first step. He said now. This Lake Sununu cares because he's been pretending like he's concerned with the protests and the in favor of the protests and acting. You know this whole. This is a big show right to show that he's concerned about police reform. When the entire time he's been in office. He's been gobbling the Knob of the police departments the whole way I mean. This guy never saw a police badge. He didn't WANNA shine. Well, let's has. Did he take any action against? For example, the officers who dragged that kid out of the car by his dreadlocks and Was it Lakonia Ooh good question that was like a same day that George Floyd was murdered I believe the response in that was from the department, and the department said their officers were justified and use of force. Wow, I think five use of force to remove somebody from a car. He owned yeah. I think that's what they said. They thought it might be stolen. Sununu said he looks forward to the continued work of the commission that he established earlier this year on law enforcement accountability. The commission was given, which is by the way packed with law enforcement officers. Given forty five days to come up with a series of recommendations to provide the new new, but this week the commission said they may need additional time to complete their work, so they didn't meet the deadline. Wow it. Kind of funny considering, they're almost certainly going to deliver nothing. 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If the cops are afraid, they can still use a chokehold is an interesting use of journalism, because basically people who only read the headlines We'll walk away thinking there were sweeping reform. Only people who read the article will know that nothing changed. Correct and that is the case here and I suspect that's the case in a lot of places so I was like well. What's going on in Minneapolis? What's the latest there? Because you know Minneapolis as the hot spot? That's where George Floyd was murdered by the police that is where the massive protests that spread across the entire country. began. And I saw this headline recently out of Fast Company dot. com just reported two days ago. So this is. Fresh News. Minnesota cops are now using drones to just take a guess. Take a wild guess. Just a wild black folks for sport, not quite in this case, they're using drones to spot nude beachgoers. Yes, that's right. Minneapolis police who have apparently not learned a thing about why people hate them are now using drones to spot people illegally taking their clothes off at an unofficial nude beach, according to a report from Delhi. CO CBS affiliate. Numerous online sources say the twin lakes beach has a long history of nudity, but legally anyone nude in any women, exposing their breasts are violating the law group of Horny officers from updated and say that from the Golden Valley Police Department and Minneapolis Parks Police, but you know how these guys are I mean. We've seen so many stories of these just horn cops assigned jobs like busting strippers in strip clubs who are doing things that weren't supposedly legal and actually having sex with prostitutes before they arrest them in places like Hawaii, where it was supposedly legal for some amount of time, it may still be so. There's a bunch of cops that love this job Oh. Yeah, Group of officers from the Golden Valley Police Department and the Minneapolis Parks Police 'cause you need cops just for the parks. Apparently they're sent in the drones after receiving quote, a dozen complaints this spring and summer regarding people being nude, send in the drove. Drinking alcohol or doing drugs at the beach. Quick somebody panic. The devices caught images of people exposing parts of their bodies. They later covered up when officers arrived on the beach. The police say the drone surveillance is legal. Since the beach is a public place, but it understandably made some beachgoers uncomfortable. Some also consider the current law discriminatory. It allows men to be topless, but not women and the Minneapolis Park and recreation board is considering changing it because apparently, the park and recreation board can just make laws. I understand that, but people at the beach also accused the police of singling out black beachgoers, approaching them first and pushback from the crowd ultimately made the officers leave Nice report, so that's nice to see. Yeah, some actual resistance is a beautiful thing. Right and that's what it's going to take. That's what it's always going to take if you want to actually retain some freedom. If, you want to gain more freedom. These are two things that resistance is going to be required where you don't do what you're told where you don't go along to get along and you don't do I, don't I don't advocate for violence. I think they're peaceful. Resistance is much more effective large numbers of people. In this case we're able to sway the police from continuing their aggressive action. But Frederick, Douglass was definitely right when he said power never yields, but to demand exactly you must to stay the demand. You must stand up. You must face the threats if you want. If you want to be safe from the powers that be unfortunately, it seems nobody that people want to be protected by the powers that be or at least feel as though they're being protected because they do everything. They're told to put on a mask. They say and they put him on yeah. It's it's frightening and to me. You know put on a mask as far from the from the worst thing they do the other thing they do is they stand by while George? Floyd is being killed and they do nothing when one good flying kick to that officers. Ended that well of saved alive now somebody else would have. Gone to jail, but You know the it's quite possible. Both of those people would be alive so that I am really glad to hear the part of this story where people. Pushing back against the officers turn them around. Golden Police Department sergeant. Randy mollins said to WCC quote with made the choice that things were only escalating and we chose to leave. I wish more police would have the. Awareness to make that particular decision, because usually when things escalate, they get excited and that's when they start cracking heads. Yeah, because you know in general gentleman junkies, and it's like Oh goody combat, and their Adrenalin junkies with protection legally for when they attack people when they hurt people when they destroy things when they you know just absolutely ruined people's lives, they have no penalties. When the right the right when they're wrong, they're still right. Gordon, the thirties right, but in this case they actually turned around and left, and I suspect that had to do with the fact, they were likely outnumbered. Okay, because you know if it's. Somebody's taking their clothes off on the beach. They're probably not going to send the SWAT team. In for that call, they probably sent in two or three officers or something like that just come and try to intimidate this person into putting their clothes back on or whatever, and then a dozen people surrounded him and said get Outta here. We don't want you here. We didn't call you. Yeah, and the you know the obvious solution is just. Just post to learning that. Hey, people get naked here Yeah, now it is what it is if you don't want to see that there's ten thousand other parks well, and it is, so it is apparently a unofficial nude beach meaning that it is sort of known for I mean it's probably not posted to some extent. It is known that if you go there, you pregnancy, somebody naked, right and you know the only. You know it. It would make sense to to post it sure. And that would be the right thing to do. because it shouldn't be a crime to begin with to expose one's own body I mean we're all born naked, so nudity is a natural order. It's something that we're all we all used to seeing ourselves naked right? We've certainly over time seen plenty of people in you know life and pornography or movies, or whatever naked, so like. This isn't something that people should still be treating with this puritanism, but yet still it it continues on the fear, the abject fear, surrounding Oh my God, what if my child sees some woman's breasts? I L. Know what look? Quick somebody paramedic. been breastfed at some point in their life so I mean they presumably have seen them before? It's the puritanical idea that somehow corrupting. To see another human body naked. And I think built into. It is the idea that nudity is somehow always sexual I. Don't think that it is. No I mean. If you've ever had to work in a work in a nursing home change eighty year old I'm sure there is very little thrill back and all. Don't arousing last. We've got unusual taste. Yeah, I. Some people do like the older people. It's true whatever floats your boat. 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Bring up whatever you want here. Toll Free number. Eight fifty, five, four, fifty free. Eight. Five five, four, five, zero, three, seven three kind of fake police reform quote reform. Is going on where you live. Are they even bothering to pretend to do something well in new, Hampshire they tried to pretend and some people might be fooled because the news headlines make it sound like they're doing something, but the reality is nothing is changing. So we can talk more about that if you want. You can share what's going on in your area plus Minneapolis police now cracking down on a nude beach and unofficial nude beach. They just. They haven't learnt. They haven't learned anything. Well, they did learn enough to back-off true actually when confronted well I don't know that's just a natural thing, though, isn't it? Nobody I mean if two guys show up in a group of twenty, two cops show up at a group of. People. And they try to start throwing their weight around, and that group starts pushing back against them, telling them to go away. There's a good chance. They're gonNA. Turn around. They, may well they? Call or call for backup. They may call for backup, but at the very least in that moment. They. They will be intimidated because numbers matter. And that's one of the reasons. Why years ago when you were doing went back when you were known as rich Paul and you were doing the four twenty. Here in keene were on a daily basis. You're at central square with upwards of one hundred fifty people, or so at I. Think at its peak smoking cannabis in central square. The police didn't mess with it after a little while they tried, they came in and tried to arrest you and the other guy they thought was heading the thing up, but when that didn't stop it. They just decided to start ignoring the event. Yeah eventually the eventually they did. They don't have the numbers. They don't have enough people. They'd have to call in state police. They'd have to call in cops from all over the place to take down an event of one hundred and fifty disobedient people. Yeah I mean the. The calculations I made at that time I believe there were twenty eight cops on duty at a time in Keene, and as he said, we had something like five times that. They don't normally have twenty eight cops on at once I mean if they wanted to bring like most of the force on than twenty, eight would be the majority I think that was. The maximum could muster probably. Ask about. Forty Moss last I saw they got about forty, four forty five uniformed police officers that keen police right right twenty eight would be the super mature or a solid majority of them. Yeah would so you know it would be very difficult for them. What I was concerned about and they never actually did. It is that they would bring in either great gangs of state troopers. The National Guard which on one hand would've been. Kind of scary, but on the other hand Ho Larry US if they had to call out the military for people, smoking. Weed which they didn't do yes. Props for that and it was a victory, it was a major victory, but because of the numbers, and that's why all this supposed reform is happening because there were significant numbers of people in the streets, Minneapolis case, setting fire to the police, department and others. You had the experiment of the Chaz. Where they literally you know. The police left in Seattle. Six Block area and protesters took it over there were there have been people taking down physically statues across the country and very little. The police can do about this given their limited numbers. There are what about five hundred. I to one is the sort of the average in any given area where there's five hundred people for every one police officer. That seems like reasonable estimate. I know that nationally there are one point five million police plus military which makes one of those for each. two hundred. Citizens but the military's a big chunk of that and and they're not being counted in your estimate, so I would say that's probably about right either a slice. There's way more of us than there are of them. Which is why you know coming back to what we were discussing earlier. If you want change to happen, you have to do something in. You have to do more than just complain about it if you're sitting behind a computer screen hammering away. Away at a social media of some sort, they're not gonNA care about that. That doesn't affect them. No, it's not until you use that. Social media to rally people to get out in the studio, real life or to act in the real world or to stop paying their taxes learned to do something tangible. That's when the authorities are going to stand up and and notice burning down. A police station is a great start, but apparently even that is insufficient. And it's not I. Don't I don't think it's going to change a whole lot in Minnesota. I think you're GONNA. See a bunch of half ass. Reforms that are intended to make people think that something is going on, and ultimately it will disappoint. It will well. Nobody will reform the whole ass. Eight fifty, five, four, fifty, free like freedom. To weigh in on Charter Amendment Proposal Amid Minneapolis Police reform, so here's one of the latest stories about what's going on there rebecca. Reporting Eyewitness News, ktbs P DOT com. They say for the first time. How long's it been now since George Floyd was killed at least two months I. Think at this point was back in, may yes something like that for the first time. The public have the chance to weigh in on the future of Public Safety in Minneapolis as well as the possible dismantling of the police department during virtual meeting on Wednesday. The meeting will address proposed changes to the Minneapolis City Charter, including possibly replacing the police department with a quote, community, safety and violence prevention department. Well, that's amazing. Two months dead, not forgotten yet. City leaders have stated they are looking at options to possibly changed the structure of policing including forming public safety workgroup to over the Charter Amendment City Council recently laid out. So they're still talking about what they might possibly do, and now they're going to get a public hearing on what they could possibly do. which includes forming a work group, which will be another group of people to consider what they could possibly do have more public hearings on what they could possibly do. We may be about five years away from actually doing something. I accept I? Don't think that's the intent I think. The intent is to fritter away the energy. That's what I'm saying. And basically to end up with no change it all at the end of that five year, and they'll shame everybody for saying. Hey, we had all these meetings. We even put them on Zoom and you people didn't show up and tell us what to do. Even though plenty of people will show up, but they'll still say well. We should have had more participation here, yeah. So people want to sit through these endless government meetings where these bureaucrats pretend to listen to what you have to say, after a while they the whole time had their minds made up about what they intend to do. Yeah, well. The Nice thing about burning down a police station is. They can't say you didn't give him any input on what you think. That's a pretty clear statement. The proposal wouldn't necessarily mean halting police operations. It would make it easier. They say to make those changes. If city officials decide to proceed in that way, ultimately, if agreed upon the amendment would be on the November ballot when Minneapolis residents vote. I'm not sure so charter amendment, so they're going to mend. The city charter basically is the proposal. That's what they're talking about doing. In order to purportedly replaced the police department entirely. Interesting now if they actually do that, it will be an interesting experiment to see exactly what will be different. What will be the difference between the community quote, community, safety and violence, prevention department, and the Police Department? What will its goals be? You know for one versus the other? Will it be the same officers just with a different uniform on? What's that GONNA look like exactly yeah I would. It would be interesting to to see I'm guessing that in five years. If you went to Minneapolis, you'll notice no three chabal difference except possibly the patches on uniforms. This is a apparently a day. After the Minneapolis Mayor announced changes to the police departments use of force and de Escalation reporting requirements so. Yeah I. Think you're right here, nobody. The. Term frittering away the energy people are. They're upset there in the streets there wanting change and the politicians are going to act like they're doing something. They're going to get behind podiums. They're gonNA give speeches. They're gonNA campaign on these issues because I don't know if it's an election year Minneapolis, but it sure is here. In New Hampshire and I think you're going to see a lot of pandering by politicians as we get closer to the election, a bunch of politicians article said they were having an election in November. I think so, that's the city did. Yep So. There's GonNa. Be a lot of heavy pandering. Going on here where these politicians are gonNA make you think they care about police reform. 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The honor walk

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The honor walk

"Before we get started with today's show we wanted to let you know that a story that started right here reveal is now heading over to TV reveal reporter Trey Bundy has been exposing a child abuse cover-up inside the Jehovah's Witnesses religion since the result is the witnesses a two night television television event that shows what happens when a powerful institution protects its reputation instead of protecting kids. You can see it on the oxygen network. The witnesses premieres Saturday and Sunday February. Eighth and ninth at seven and six central for more information about how to watch good reveal news dot org slash witnesses from the Center for investigative reporting NPR X.. Vis is reveal. I'm Alison our last episode. We looked at the challenges of getting organs to the patients who are waiting for them after heart kidney or livers recovered. There's a rush of activity to get that organ to the person who's life depends on it now now. We want to focus on what happens just before that flurry because that promise of life mean someone has died. My name is Dexter Chris. I am a full professor at Suny Plattsburgh and Alton is my son. He has the third of three children. Dalton is mostly known because he was an outstanding wrestler here in upstate New York. He was such a kind person to everyone that he wrestled people win. And then pick them up off off the bat you know he just Kinda Guy. Dalton graduated from High School June twenty nineteen. He was going to major in criminal justice. There's only Plattsburg and he was gonNA also minor in music as well as history. He loved history alive. August nineteenth. The day of the accident changed everything thing for the Chris. Family Barbara my wife and Dalton were coming from work so they actually worked together at the resort and they were maybe maybe six miles from the house. It seems to Dalton dozed off and crossed. The median went down into a little drainage ditch drainage ditch was just enough to send the jeep that they were driving airborne. Don's jeep ended up hitting meeting house. He hit his head in the force of the crash. Barbara was badly injured two. They were both unconscious. I got the phone call. Colin got. They're both Barbara and Dalton. Were next to each other and to look at them. There was no reason to think to Barbara was survived and was no reason. I think Dalton wouldn't survive just like he was fine and Barbara was none. They were both in such serious condition that they were airlifted from Plattsburgh Berg to the University of Vermont Medical Center in Burlington. They would just rooms away from one another in the ICU. After Dexter and his daughter Danielle arrived at UVM VM doctors. Explain that was Dalton. Who was more seriously hurt? His neck had been broken in the crash. His brain had bled so much. He was suffering offering a series of strokes. Now I'm being told that Dalton was not gonNa make it. I remember that like it was yesterday and just like it was yesterday. I couldn't believe does what they were saying that he was not going to make it. I think it was Jennifer. Who found a a quiet room? My name is Jennifer de Maroney. And I'm the organ donation coordinator at University of Vermont Medical Center so when when daughter Danielle and I sat down. Jennifer presented to me Dalton's driver's license. So you got a man you can imagine you know my son and UH my wife. They had cut their clothes away in. The jewelry have been removed all kinds of stuff and in the midst of all the chaos. There's there's Dalton's driver's license and she points out to me that he's an organ donor and I started to smile and cry and I said Yes. He is Jennifer explained she still needed the family's permission to make sure the dolphins wished to be an organ. Donor was carried out. Dexter gave the okay as she said to celebrate this wonderful choice that my son made and others that find themselves given Dorgan's an honor walk has been established and UVM is is one of those places where the person's last wishes can and be carried out on a walk is new ritual being adopted by hospitals around the US. It takes place after a patient has died and just before the organs are recovered. It's meant to honor the gift. They're making an honor. Walk is when staff from all across the hospital come in line the halls between the ICU and the operating room as the patient and the family take their final walk all together Before the donation you via medical center started doing honor walks in August of twenty eighteen. Carol Maxwell is an intensive care nurse there before honor walk. Sometimes sometimes the families would leave before we would bring their loved one's body to the operating room and it felt kind of bizarre and lonely in strange. After doctors made the official call that Dalton had died hospital staff dove into planning. The ANA. WanNa Walk Jennifer. Says they try to add personal touches to the walks whenever possible. They found out that Dexter was a director of a Gospel. Choir won the Dolphin was involved in two and so as we were planning the honor walk someone sad are we should have a gospel choir here. We were able Oh to bring the Gospel choirs direct. We were in the ICU. And the timing of the operating room was about right. Save fifteen minutes away and all of a sudden you could just hear if you listen carefully you could hear this beautiful music music and if it was loud you couldn't hear it you needed to to listen and they were warming up and they were warming up with amazing grace race and it just immediately lately brought chills when you heard just something so beautiful in in a controlled chaos of an ICU. So fifteen minutes before we leave the ICU. At final pop up comes on the computer. So everyone's computer gets a pop up that says in fifteen minutes. It's the honor walk is going to be happening at that point. We start lining everyone up. We had moved Dalton into his mom's Israel Barbara so that they could be together one last time so I felt it important that Barbara if she she had any level of consciousness at that point would have opportunity to touch her son's hand for the last time. And so Barbara Myself and Danielle Makita. Maybe my mom. I can't remember that we're in this But we all hell hands together at that one moment and end as we came out of her room after that really touching moment I could hear the choir singing and and it just sent chills down my spine Because I knew that they all love Dalton and Love Dexter and Love Barbara and it that it was a very close community and they started to sing this song. All we asked by Donnie mcclarkin. And it's a beautiful song which talks about someone in their last days about to die and the song is so it resonates Great Dalton and it was joyful away fall at a really really sad time there was joy the hallways who are packed on both sides with not only friends not only athletes Dalton hit known but so many. UVM staff staff. You see uniforms from all across the hospital from housekeeping to folks who work in the Cafeterias to L. Doctors to nurses and residents from all over the hospital to walk those steps behind Son and you realize is literally two or three hundred people in those holes now. That was amazing. The home take me a aw. We walks the hallways and went through the operating room hallway to the door to where you have to be sterile to go in and that's where we stopped upped and stay finish singing there and gives a family a few minutes to say goodbye. I'm a fairly strong guy emotionally but When you realize when you realize you're not going to see Son Breath again when he's not going to be warm again his heart's not gonNa beat again. The next time you see him that became final. Aw Man win the next match Roy Moore. I guess the more the most uncomfortable part was after two on a walk his complete you walk. Walk Back Down the hall now. Dow was the most shocking thing. People were still there is not like they said okay. We're out. You know they they were. They were the honor. WELK is four reverse. I think about if Dalton was not an organ donor there would have been just since they just sorrow. There would have been great memories but the very fact there's a legacy left and so many people after Dalton there's a level of celebration that would not normally be there up to fifty fifty if not more people that Dalton is able to help. According to a letter I received from new organ donation people there in Albany New York. There's there's a young man a father forty four year old father who received adult heart that the forty four father his family only his children. They're celebrating the recipient of Dalton's corneas in Albany the restoration of sight to them as a miracle the person in Seattle Washington who received Dalton's cornea. Same thing that's such a celebration that deserve to be celebrated Ah A A in. Our story was produced by Tina Antolini. This performance of all we ask is by the Plattsburgh State Gospel. Choir directed acted by Dexter. Chris thumbs father. Our story was edited by talk. Utilities special thanks to Danielle Chris and reveals lower. Laura Starts Eski Victoria Burnett's reveals general counsel of production managers wind in hosa original score and sound design by the dynamic duo J. Breezy Mr Jim Briggs Rigs Fernando my man Yo Arruda that helped this week from Amy Mustafa and the g meaning our CEO. Is Chris from Burke. Matt Thompson is our editor and chief. Our executive producer is Kevin Sullivan support for reveals provided by the reason Dave Logan Foundation the John D and Catherine T. Macarthur Foundation the Jonathan Logan Family Foundation the Ford Ford Foundation the Housing Simon Foundation the Democracy Fund and the Ethics and Excellence in Journalism Foundation reveal is a CO production of the Center for investigative reporting. MPR Peoria X.. Amount lesson and remember there is always more to the story

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"Is baseball tonight. The podcast baseball tonight. Podcast for tuesday march twenty third two thousand twenty one producing from his home studio in the foothills of connecticut is tailored shrank. Buster only working for my own studio in new york as we get closer to start started the regular season just nine days away. Injuries or beginning to manifest permeates has been diagnosed with flexible refrigerator strain in his right arm. That's a key question now for the toronto blue jays. They're saying he's going to be a multiple weeks coming up. I'll be talking with sarah lang's about who might step into their bullpen in the closer role and they got some intriguing options. Arizona diamondbacks are waiting test results on jack gallons soar right farm. He told reporters that pops up when he got jammed during batting practice. Uh-huh no universal be h about ten days ago obviously a losses at gala for the diamondbacks. Texas rangers reliever jose. Claire is expected to miss extended. Time with an elbow issue. The kansas city royals sent four top prospects including bobby with junior to their minor league camp. So they're gonna have a guy who has not played rookie ball in spite of his tremendous promise at least start out in the minor leagues. Maybe we'll see him in the big leagues later in the year. The yankees announcer. Gary sanchez will catch garrett cole and opening day Chris patchy playmaking could win him to centerfield job to the atlanta braves. You made a great play yesterday. And here's what it sounded like. One two from right swung on and hit out towards center. Field sprinting in fishing paci. Play it on the hop. He'll throw to third base trying to go first. A third and unsuccessful. Is jake cave to a good throw at center field by christian padre to nail jake cave. That does score run and altogether. The twins pick up two runs on two hits but a really good defensive play by christian in the inning padre with an absolute cannon. I'm gonna be asking sarah about who have the best throwing arms in baseball in two thousand twenty one. Good stop nelson cruz. Pitch trip been high deep to left field goals deep. It goes air nelson cruz. Boardwalk field and long to run homer in the twins doubled elitist now of four. Nothing game in the third quarter probe is on the twins radio network and in spring training. It seems like every year we see number of triple place fortieth pitch ryshkov real. It'll be a double play trick claim. That's how you get out of an inning that might be the ultimate spring trying to get back ever. You're not kidding. Ball absolutely smoked with the bases loaded. Nobody out in the mets. Pull off a triple play now before we get to sarah lengths to andrew maraniss to talk about his new book about Former outfielder glenn. Burke entail mcgregor of the cubs. Marquee network is gonna join us as we start the nationally. Central preview don't miss the biggest baddest rematch at. Ufc to sixty. Go ahead tell you can jump in and do the names. You're better at it than i am. Steep a coach and francis in gansu and thankfully Bleacher twitter shane. Saunders sorted that out for us yeah. What changed said about the pronunciation. I'm glad he got him. Because i certainly don't know you have to sixty a march. Twenty seventh is exclusively available to espn plus subscribers for sixty nine ninety nine visit. Espn plus dot com slash. Ppv to order the baseball tonight. Podcast is sponsored by. Adt with everything. That's going on these days. Couldn't we all use a little piece of mind for. Adt your safety and security is always been a top priority. That's why they are the leader in home security. Adt provide twenty four seven rapid response monitoring from their nine owned and operated call centers. That's the largest security network in the us to keep you even safer. 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I'm doing great baseball. Is what ten days nine days away. I'm doing great. How are you doing okay. Nine days away. Although taylor is a little he's he's under some time constraints because he's we're in the middle of the incident playoffs. He's doing that podcast. He's doing this podcast every day so we will go through the list. You and i've been texting back and forth this morning. A topics first off. I still have not heard anything about a universal d. h. being implemented in two thousand and twenty one. I have not heard anything specific that they're actually talking about expanded playoffs. How about you. And i have not heard anything either. I mean i feel like the last update we saw the last sort of reports i saw. Were just that this is not being discussing whereas you said. But i feel like people really got all in on both of these concepts last year. So whether it's you know with the new cba or whatever it might be. I do feel like there's a lot of fan support for these concepts. Just you know reading the twitter tea leaves or whatever else. Yeah the last reports focus again. maybe my favorite senate's of two thousand and twenty one in reporting the talks are dead for now. I'm still trying to figure out what that means. Sarah okay as we get closer to start of the regular season. Lots of bad injury news coming down that gallon with the forum issue. Arizona diamondbacks kirby. Yates is an elbow issue. Justin wilson as you noted to me and you in your texas morning coming out of last night's game. Just pick one of those and sort of touch on what you feel like. The potential impact of that is i mean. I'm sort of split between the blue jays yankees here you know. Gallon is obviously a loss for everyone. Who's picking him as kind of a dark horse candidate but the diamondbacks aren't going to win the nfl. But i think that either of those bullpens could be real trouble in alias. I mean wilson was assigned. Name that i think a lot of people really liked the lefty in that bullpen. We know they've already had injury issues in that bullpen. Already this spring training. So you start to worry about depth than we've seen issues. The yankees have had with injuries especially over last few years. It's hard to say. One injury is at all related to another in twenty twenty. But it's certainly a trope that we've seen continue with them. But i think i'm most worried about the blue jays just because i think everyone wants to see them be kind of like a surprise team in that division and kirby was such a great signing for them. I was very concerned about his health when they signed him to be honest. I just remember watching him early in the season last year. Knowing something wasn't right and then he did end up. Having i believe it was surgery for bone spurs so when jordan. Romano is probably gonna be your closer until he gets back. You just have to worry about this whole glue. Days breakout really show. Last year was for real type of season. I agree with you. i also and i'm sure you agree with me. That one of the cool things about is is how quickly they can change in two thousand nine hundred nationals. First half of the year they had the worst bullpen in baseball. And then they wanna have dog piling after the world series over with daniel hudson one of their acquisitions being the middle of it and so i was looking at some of the blue jays candidates and texting back and forth with some blue jays officials. It's morning and a couple of interesting things you mentioned jordan romano. Classic example of these relievers. That kinda come out of nowhere like he bounced around. He's this is his age twenty eight season and he actually pitched pretty well last year and then this spring these numbers are are definitely interesting. And i know we don't take spring. Training numbers of face value five innings. Four hits one walk twirl strikeouts. He struck out twelve of the twenty batters. He faced this spring. You know someone. With a fastball. Slider mix generates a lot of ground. Balls he's an interesting guy and here's another one that. I tweeted out about this earlier. Sarah tyler chat would who of course we know is such difficult times it starting pitcher with rockies the cubs repeating as delivery all kinds of issues controlling the baseball. This might be the most interesting set of statistics for any player baseball for me. This spring tyler. Childhood spring training two thousand. Twenty one seven innings. One hit no runs five strikeouts and no walks no ox tyler. Chat would in seven innings. That jumped off the page for me. So i do wonder if they got a potential a couple solutions in there. Yeah i mean those guys all sound great and i saw that chat with twee right before we started recording here and i was really blown away. I mean. I've watched those games. But i wasn't doing the mental map to add it all up as he was pitching and i think for him walks have been such an issue. I mean so that's really fascinating to see. This is a guy who has pretty much in his career had about five walks per nine per nine stats are silly. But that's not a number you want it all and so i. I like that. I just worry about a contender. Having this many question marks or this many different options. You almost want to have one lockdown option. But we've absolutely seen bullpens transform especially lately and you never know. I think that the opening day bullpen is so different from the game one of the postseason bullpen for pretty much any team to make the playoffs especially over the last ten years right. Here's a really intriguing player to me. Someone who. I is going to be the mvp conversation in the american league at a nice moment in yesterday's game anderson in the air to left this. It's number one for tim anderson. Lancaster with the call in the white sox television network in your is someone who looks at numbers really closely how to manderson improved over the years. I love this. And i love that. You're referring to him as potential. Mvp candidate. Because i have been all in on tim anderson for so long. I feel like. I've told the story on the podcast before but in spring training with my mom and grandma the year that he ended up getting called up in june i just remember seeing him interacting with jimmy rollins and just even from the stand seeing that interaction because jimmy rollins was actually with the white sox. Spring training was their opening day. Shortstop that year you could just tell like makeup or whatever you want to say that this was going to be a really fun claire and a really good guy and i think that's what we've seen so far in terms of what he's done i mean he's so fascinating from the outside because everybody likes to point out that he has a really high bab and that means he's going to return to earth but the thing is he's been doing this for a few years now so part of it is simply that he's just shown that his swings in the contact that he makes is really good regardless of the fact that he has a high batting average on play. That's okay as long as you're actually backing it up and something that i look out for him especially in the last two years is just hitting the ball a lot harder and he's not necessarily some we associate with power. I saw that home. Run the white sox mince streaming all their games which has been great and he's definitely hit. More home runs over the last two years byun associated with crushing the ball and his hard hit rate isn't in that tees you know genre of fifty plus percent of the time but he's increased his heart hit rate significantly enough that all of his expected stats based on that quality of contact are really reflecting what he's been doing so he's been among the top ten percent or so of the league in expected batting average last two years and for all of the people who say hi babette he's going to return to earth. I present the expected batting effort. Which is saying no. He is actually doing this. Expected batting average was two eighty seven. Not three thirty but if that's in the top ten percent league that's all you need so i think he's really improved that contact just to compare in sixteen seventeen eighteen. His expected batting average was two twenty five to forty nine. Something like that so it does tell you that he is making significantly. Better contact now. We heard before the throw made by christian patch of the braves throwing a runner at third base yesterday and absolute seed. You know last week. I asked Brian snicker. I always love to do this. To dry gets a laugh out of it. I always asking for comps and i asked him for cop. Defensively for christian any talked about how you reminds him of Of andhra jones in how he moves and how smooth he is but when you watch him throw that's very different than he which is raving about how he just the ability to always put his feet and right place To get over the top of the ball and to set himself up perfectly to make throws so i think in an era in which generally speaking the outfielders don't throw as much as they typically or they did in the past who are the best outfielder arms in your eyes so i took a look at the best Max effort arm strength. The top ten percent of your throws. We're not counting when you're tossing it back into the infield or when you know you're not gonna have a clan of ball so these are only the best throws for guys and if you look over the last two years i took amendment of thirty of those mac separate throws we have victor row. Bliss kevin cure. Meyer kunia and starling martine up at the top and martinez. An interesting one. Because that's very much split along an injury and then coming back. But i think another guy who's really fun to watch slow as joey gallo and he actually led. The majors are outfielders in max. Upper arm strength in two thousand and twenty only doesn't have as many in two thousand nine hundred and actually beyond the list but the other guys ramon laureano of course and everybody loves those throws and they are really great but he just shows he doesn't do quite as many to actually be right at the top of that list melissa. I'm looking at right now. But i mean i love these outfield. There's another guy's byron buxton. I feel like if we could just get that healthy buxton season. He would probably be at the top of this list. Yeah i love cure meyer. Throw because you know. He's going to do that. Tommy hebrew launches himself into those throws and it feels like he winds up. You know tumbling about ten feet after he lets it go all right. We got about one minute left. I wanna ask you about the yankees decision. Yesterday to that. Gary sanchez is going to start an opening day. And look kyle coca. The other catchers had some injury issues this spring. And so maybe it's a practical choice. But i think it's a smart choice in terms of sort of resetting sanchez's spring. What do you think absolutely. I think this is kind of a year. I know you're still very young. But this kind of the year where. We're gonna find out if gary sanchez is the yankees catcher really for the foreseeable future. Not and i think you have to give him that chance to show that he is and i know he's not hitting wall spring training and you mentioned before spring training so back and forth. I feel like when they help us with someone like tyler chat would. They're very much worth noting. But gary sanchez could hit one sixty four this spring and crush all year. I'm not definitely concerned about that. But he did. I think catch the entire game last night which was interesting to say or at least he was in there into the seventh or eighth. When most of the other starters were out so i think that the catching seems to be kind of linked to how he's performing at the plate. So i just hope that he can get both sides of that together. Because everyone wants to see gary sanchez hitting home runs. And and i do think that especially with Cause injury and who their other option would potentially be you. Have you have gary sanchez. you should be starting him until he really absolutely shows you that. He's not worth starting at which. I don't think he has done yet. Yeah it's a completely different question whether or not he starts. The first game of the season versus starting in game. Seven of the world series. The yankees will love that chance to to make that choice. All right sarah. Thanks for doing this. Great to talk with you. Thanks so much for having me. Buster meredith is the author of the new book singled out the true story of glenn burke about the former outfielder played four seasons for the dodgers in oakland athletics. The first openly gay player in major league baseball history andrew. Thanks for joining me Always love talking with you from the days when you work with the tampa bay rays. Today's did that great book and perry wallis The first African american player to play in the southeastern conference congrats on the book. Thank you so much buster. It's great to be with you. All right tell me what drew you to this idea. Well you mentioned by previous books. So i'm interested in writing books that are nonfiction sports books that have a larger social message to them. You know so. My first book was on the first black basketball player in the sec. Second book was on the first. Us olympic basketball team that played at the nazi olympics. And thirty six and with this book. On glenn burke i thought i had a chance to write about my favorite sport Baseball tell that story within the context of the gay rights movement of the nineteen seventies and the backlash to that movement. A story of a player that is significant in baseball history. We really most baseball fans know very little about now. I'm older than you are. I actually grew up a huge dodger. Fan remember glenn burke being on that team but i'm curious about sort of when you became aware of this for the first time where the story sure i remember glen. Burks nineteen seventy eight chops baseball card. He's swinging his baton. Those classic Tops pictures in his road. Gray uniform for the dodgers but i had no idea of any significance of him and when i was eight years old in nineteen seventy eight. That was a couple years ago after. I finished games of deception. That book about the nazi olympic basketball tournament That i was looking for a new story. I was talking to my agent. Alex shane about different sports stories. That had a larger social message to them. You mess is the name lindberg. And i hadn't realized that time that glenn is also credited with inventing the high five you know. So is it that point that i saw that sort of trivia fund piece of trivia along with the social significance of glen. The fact that we really haven't had Out gay baseball players or basketball or football for that matter too many of them. And so i thought this would be really fascinating story to tell within that context like i mentioned of what was happening in the country in the nineteen seventies. And you got a chance to talk to a lot of his former teammates who just everything you write in the book. They just adored him. Yeah it's really unbelievable to me that this fourth outfielder rookie was the most popular player in that dodger clubhouse with guys like dusty baker dave logan steve garvey steve. Egger ron say. Reggie smith i mean all these years later you can just recite the litany of of solid hall of fame type veteran players on that team. And it was glenn who was the life of the clubhouse. They said he would ring his boombox in playing his music singing dancing. Joking making fun of tommy lasorda kind of lightening the mood in the clubhouse which is important on a team with so many expectations on them as those late seventies dodgers team had when he was traded to the oakland. A.'s there were reporters in the clubhouse. Who saw guys like don sutton. Steve garvey crying at their lockers. You know that this rookie formed outfielder had been traded. That shows you. What a charismatic. A person glenn was what a presence he had on that dodger team and they're clearly wasn't awareness among players Light dusty baker davey lopes that he was gay yes. There was a going back to his minor league days In aa some of his teammates were starting to pick up on this. He never had a press conference as he was a active player to come out to the world but his teammates were picking up on it. You know you an excuse himself from social settings They would try to set him up with women and he would say well. I met them. Now it's time to go you know and leave after five minutes or there would be women over to hotel room after the game and he would say that he had to go shopping or call his mom and it would be eleven thirty at night and they're like where you're gonna go shopping at eleven. Thirty you know team would get back from road trips at the airport. Most the players would have someone. Come pick them up at one end of the airport. When would disappear down to the other end and so there were little clues that they were starting to pick up on and the important thing. Is it the players you know they still love glenn you know when he was traded like i mentioned. They're the ones crying he's been traded. It was management tommy lasorda and l. campan's specifically with the dodgers. That didn't want this player around and you write about a meeting. That out campaign is had with them and for lack of a better way to describe it. it was like he tried to bribe glenn burke into getting married to a woman for the sake of image. That's right so this is after the seventy seven season where glenn has started two games in the nfc s against the phillies. You started game. One of the world series at yankee stadium else. You can see that. He's a highly regarded player after the season. Campan's comes up to the bay area where glenn lives. Len thinks it's the to be a meeting about what his role is going to be on the team next year. Actually cana says you know we'd like you to get married. Glenn says to a woman in win campinas says yes he says no. I'm not gonna do that. They offer him seventy five thousand dollars for quote unquote nice honeymoon. Which was the coolant of the average major league salary. Bow point and you know so you can see the extent of the dodgers are going to try to cover up the fact that glenn is gay. He won't go on with this plan. Noses stays with. The dodgers are numbered in its early in the seventy eight season. He's traded to the open eighth and part of the complicating fact. You mentioned the you know the issues that he had tommy lasorda. The son of time lasorda. Tommy lasorda junior. Everybody numa spunky he was gay and england. Burke became friends. Do you have any sense. Is there any way to have any sense about how that may have affected Glenn burks time with the dodgers. Yeah i think it It did affect certainly lasorda. Junior in glen were tight friends. You mentioned they had concocted this plan that one night they were gonna show up at Seniors house as if they were on a date with lasorda. Junior dressed as a woman. Ponytails right and so Glenn knew that that would drive me crazy. So they're purposely sort of antagonizing him in certain ways. And glenn felt that when thomas lasorda seniors learned extent of their friendship that he soured on him. These started the play last. You know and he felt that this offseason meeting with campus was completely related to his friendship with tommy junior now when he was traded to oakland Four billionaire north. It really feels like things began to spa form like he was literally getting shoved out of baseball. It really felt that when he was hoping that this would be a rebirth for him. Moving home to his. You know he grew up in oakland and berkeley He's traded to the as in those players hadn't come up through the minor leagues with. Glenn didn't know him quite as well. They heard heard some rumors about him and he didn't really have the same level of support in the clubhouse that he did amongst the dodger players mike norris way interviewed for. The book was supportive of glen. But it was just few. And far between on that team. Billy martin's hired in nineteen eighty and glenn again. Things of this is a good thing. We've both gone to berkeley high school. Not at the same time but they were both berkeley guys. He thought this would be a good thing. But even before the regular season starts nineteen eighty Billy martin has said that he's not gonna let glenn contaminate. His team is the way he put it. You know introduce glenn. Two other players in call them the f. Word you know. And so glenn is sent down to aaa before the season starts. He knows that he has no shot of ever. Getting called up to as long as billy martin's the manager and so glenn chooses to leave. Baseball is a member of a triple a. Team in ogden pretty early one thousand nine hundred season now. He doesn't play in the major leagues after he leaves the oakland athletics and he came out You mentioned it wasn't like there was a press conference but the first time he came out Publicly was based on an article that was coming out and inside sports. He didn't in an interview with bryant gumbel On national television is hope was at that time that maybe this would lead to some chain not only society but maybe for him. That's right so this is one thousand nine hundred eighty two two years after his last game. This is when he does sort of formally come out to the world. There is a big feature article in inside sports that was written by a former lover of his and then he's alive today show interview with gumbel. He's hoping that this interview will actually create an opportunity for him again in major league baseball. If people know the reason why he was forced out of the game you know two years earlier in his mind. It wasn't because he wasn't good enough was because he was being discriminated against for who he was and if he comes out and baseball executives learn you know the real reason why he was out of the game that maybe someone will be open minded enough to give him another chance. It doesn't happen. There's hardly any reaction to the article or the interview at all now. I think this would be a major story. You know of course on on every tv network and on social media but then there is very little ripple effect from the interview in large part. His story was overshadowed by other news. That was coming out of san francisco in the castro district. Glenn lived at that time that was arrival of hiv. And aids was the big story. And glenn in fact had number of this softball team in san francisco that were beginning to become sick to die of this disease and glenn himself in in nineteen ninety five after long periods of homelessness. Where this guy who'd start a game on the seventy seven world series finds himself with no money left living homeless on the streets of san francisco in dying abate. So many ways you know. His story is is inspirational and groundbreaking but in other ways it's equally tragic and i had an opportunity because they worked with dusty baker. Pin for a brief time they've gotten to know dusty through the years he's such a great person and it always struck me how absolutely brokenhearted dusty was about Glenn burks life are in how unnecessary and and how tragic it was absolutely anyone. Everyone had told me what a great person dusty was. I had never met before. I interviewed him for this book. I spent three hours with him. In asheville north carolina. He was there to scout a game minor league game for the giants at the point that i was working on this book. And you could. You could just sense that affects that he had forgotten. He said that when dusty himself was a young player. Coming up with the braves that hank aaron really took him under his wing. Industy enjoy that aspect of being a veteran player himself when he was with the dodgers. Glenn was one of the guys that he really looked out for that he felt like they were kindred spirits. In some ways you know both from california both loved basketball loved music and so they had a lot in common And he was heartbroken. Glenn was traded from the dodgers. He mentioned that there was a game. Where when dusty was managing the giants that someone in the crowd before the game was yelling at him. Hey dusty hey. Dusty sounded like an eighty year old man dusty turns around finally when the guy said. Hey john beat which was what other big leaguers call dusty and you realized it might be a friend of his. He turns around. And glenn burke who's in his early forties who sounds and looks at that point like he's in his eighties he had seen what you know The the disease had done to glenn at point Dusty to this day speak so highly. Been of course. They made history together. As inventing the high five it was dusty homerun in october seventy-seven that gave the dodgers four players with thirty homers. The i team in. Mlb history to do that in. Gutenberg congratulated him with the first five in history. I remember that. I grew up a huge dodgers fan huge fan of dusty glenn burke and all those guys and it was i tell you what it was i opening reading. Your book is fantastic. Getting singled out the true story of glenn burke andrew. Thanks for joining us. Thank you so much. Buster great to see you mcgregor's the host and field reporter for the cubs new network the marquee network news. We start our previews for the national league. Central taylor thanks for joining us. Thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to be on all right. So you're in the same place. Now that i got to be a few times during my career covering baseball where i covered a team the padres and then i jumped to cover. The orioles jumped the orioles. Cover the mets. And the mets the yankees. And it's a little scary but at the same time. It's a lot of fun you spend a lotta years covering the rockies and now you're with With the cubs what types of stories. He sort of new ground. You're looking at that. You're excited to learn about one of the main reasons i took. This job is just a long standing history. The massive fan base that they have and so it's just been fun learning about what happened two hundred years ago in this organization. And how they have a history that that that that's long because with the rockies. I lived the entirety of their existence. So i literally saw everything unfold. That's ever happened in that organization and so with the cubs hearing old stories or talking to fans at an hearing how great grandfather was a cubs fan and how it's just a phantom that's passed on from generation to generation and so i think the big picture for me that's been really special and then this year i'm really excited about the al central. I mean there's no clear favourite to win in so for is who's covering team that makes it really exciting. Because hopefully we get into september and there's a pennant shades of maybe four teams in this in this division. So i'm i'm looking into that. A lot who in your mind is pivotal for the cubs as you talk about. How close the national league central is and players. That could be difference making for sure. The rotation i think last year when you saw the cubs windy al central. They did it because of their starting rotation and there's pieces that laptop and pieces that come and and guys who are kind of question marks. I mean jake. Arrieta hasn't come off the best campaign in dili. So what is he going to do with the cubs. This trevor williams Could he get back to form And so and then. Of course you know kyle hendricks. I've not worried about him. I think he'll go out and perform you want those guys to all come together and and so for me. The piece that matter de boast are are the rotation for sure how hobby urbaez this spring. What have you seen what he'd be heard. Yeah so obviously. It's a contract year and there's been a lot of talk with him. Anthony rizzo chris brian. It's all about the walk year. You know what is this. Look like he gets questions. I'm sure probably daily about what his future looks like with the cubs but what i've seen out of hand in the other two guys as well as their really Focusing on baseball and trying to make the most of this season in hardly the big story with him last year was the lack of ending video in the lack of fans and david ross came out and said he thinks that no fans impacted hobby by as the most so i think for him. He's excited to get back out there with band tab that engaged video to be able to make adjustments. You talked a lot about how that impacts your timing. You're trying to align your timing with the pitcher is and we don't have that in game video. It's it's everything that you've learned to do in the major leagues is stripped away from you in. So he's excited to have that back this year. Yeah and he always struck me as being a hobby has always struck me as being adrenaline player and iraqi player. You know nolan are not always the same way for me. When i would watch him play. It always felt like he was performing and and feeding off the adrenaline the crowd. I would expect that hobby might benefit from having fans in the stands that'll be interesting for kris bryant What are some things you hearing specifically about him this spring. The talk recently has been a little bit on the injuries last year. He was playing through some injuries. That were much more severe than any of us knew so for him. Getting back to being one hundred percent healthy. Which really when you look at the tenure of his career. When he's healthy he's the kris bryant that all of us know the rookie of the year. The mvp but what's caused some of the injuries that he's had to overcome in his career so far this spring. What we've seen from him He's seeing the ball while he's taken a lot of walks haven't gotten to power quite yet. I hit his first homer two days ago so he he's coming into into that aspect of his game but he seemed to be in a good spot and coaches are really encouraged by what they've seen out of him so far in your eyes which team in the national league central the team to beat for the cubs. This is i. I've talked with people about this for me. It's the brewers i think. The brewers with their with their pitching overall. I think they're the most proven again. Most prove it. Because i think last year with the cubs pitching. Everybody was kind of discrediting the bullpen late into september. It ended up being one of their strengths. So i think on paper right. Now i'm going with the brewers again. They're pitching they have the best hitter in christian yelich if he can get back to the christian knowledge that we had seen in previous years. They had the signing of jackie bradley. Jr. which is going to be a class for their lineup. So we'll see that's my pick. It'd be cute. I really think you could make a case. Buster is you know for the rides. The cardinals or the i think really the the the pirates are the only team that are kind of the odd man out in this division because between those three plus the cubs. I think it really could be could be anybody's division this year. Yeah and i'm gonna want to pick in the cardinals. I think especially just watching jack clarity and the cardinals exhibition game yesterday. He looks like he's ready to take the next step forward And knowing also the resources they're pouring into this year picking up on it feels like there should be an of the cardinals. They'll find a way to win the division. You know the way that it sets up and before you go. I want to talk about someone. You're going to be dealing with on a regular basis. That i've dealt with a lot at espn and google shaam be okay so i wanna i wanna give you some tips to help you drive him crazy things bother him. Okay that's number one. He's not a morning person. I can't tell you how many times we were going to sunday. Baseballer traveling someplace. And he's doing radio and he would see me at laguardia and he would just veer in the other direction. Because i am very much a morning person so he hated that. So if you seem in an airport just bum rush him. Okay and come up and be all happy and be all fired up in the morning. Yeah and i think that's gonna be interesting because in chicago. We play so many day games. So he's going to have to get to the ballpark earlier than usually what especially for sunday night baseball because these probably still sleeping by the time. He's going to have to be the ballpark. I first day game so all definitely be shared a pop in there. I'm kind of learning to be a morning person. maybe i'll just be a little bit more upbeat in the morning. Just to see how he he also if you want. He doesn't believe in line of protection so he doesn't think You know anthony rizzo batting behind hobby or by as helps by at all. He doesn't really believe in that He hates rbi statistic. If you site that you're going to see him. I roll okay. And he thinks the cycle single double triple homer is completely irrelevant like he hates that he now he thinks it's a complete joke. He thinks it's just a coincidence and he doesn't like talking about it so when i watch you and boo work. I'm hoping you drop some of that and just annoying. Yes the only problem i have with. Rbi people say like they argue between rb or rbi. It and so for me. I say is because you're not saying runs. Batted in runs batted in its plural. So so that's my my kind of issue with that but i'm gonna drive a lot of. Rbi lot of morning talk with him. This cycle all bring that one up a lot. Maybe a lot of the we have flashbacks that we bring into our broadcast. I'm just going to have to tell our producer all of this cycles ever organization. We're going to bring those into the broadcast that that's good to know that's a plot. Twist here in this interview. Because i'm a big. Rbi person when i worked at the new york times. Their style was rbi because the s is contained within the are of rbi runs batted in that it in but it but it still plural. Rb is what the s is within our. That's what i believe. But there's gonna be so you when you're talking if it's full. Rbi you'll say rbi had three rbi because the ss containing the. That's the new york. Times style that i worked with but i can tell you what i did Mike and mike with mike greenberg a lot. We would argue about this. He completely agree with you. So okay relation. Exactly all right. Thanks for doing this base. Unless you're having you it was going to seal bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for tuesday. And i i have to bring up the other. Podcasts are produced courtside with greenberg and docket sh. We are recording to podcast this week. One recapping the first round first round second round of the ncaa tournament and then we will be looking at the elite eight and sweet sixteen so check that out. Please wherever you listen to podcasts. Onto the tweets. Charlie be at a fish and his chips rates. And hey buster. No doubt as handyman. You especially enjoyed the weekends. Stellar performance from jack leitner kumar rocker. But if as assumed they are the first and second round picks in the two thousand and twenty one draft. This will be a first time in history. The top two picks gone from the same college. That was a. I didn't really read it as such. He brings bowing coal bean first and third from ucla. A comparable situation yet Charlie off top of my head. I can't remember another situation like this. It's pretty remarkable now. We did have kylie kanye on the podcast recently and doesn't sound like based on what. He's hearing at this moment later. Rocker will go one overall Maybe two and three. So we'll see how that goes the draft boards absolutely could change by the time we get to this elections still very exciting. Yep next we have. Trevor dunning at t l dunning he rates in if serve time was not an issue and younger players played in the in baseball earlier. Wouldn't they be taking roster spots from older players making the free agent market even worse for older players. Well they were taking roster. Spots in the older players wouldn't be accruing the service to reach free agency. I just want the best players. Like i don't know whether they're they're older. They're young. i just want the best players on each team. Each team looking at their People in organizations saying here are twenty-six best guys and day. Pk steinberg. He writes in of teams retooling to put it mildly back to the american league playoffs. I texas baltimore. kansas city. no question about it. Kansas city baltimore's eons. Sorry to tell you breaking. He owns away from being irrelevant. Texas is got a lot to do. Kansas city's actually think closer to the point that if somehow in the last hours they agreed to expanded playoffs for this year. If they did it for two thousand twenty two. The royals at this point would be on the french. Like i like what the royals are doing. Already that doesn't for bleacher tweets hashtag tweets on twitter. And please follow rate review. This podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks everyone that's it for today. My thanks to sarah. Andrew to taylor and taylor emigrate everybody. Thanks for listening. Stay safe and remember hating inequality based on skin color. It's something we need to fight against every single bed. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight. Podcast if you play fantasy baseball check out the fantasy. Focus podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. The baseball tonight podcast.

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