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"dave haggar" Discussed on The Frame

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"dave haggar" Discussed on The Frame

"Ugly delicious uses foods to open up a conversation and the end result breaks down cultural barriers as it shines a light on the human experiences that unite us. All I spoke with David. Chang and his Collaborator Academy Award. Winning documentary filmmaker Morgan Neville about making the second season of ugly delicious but before we talked about the series we started with the Presi News of the day. How the corona virus is impacting. The Food Service Industry Chang himself owns more than a dozen restaurants around the world. Man I wish I could give you a better answer than I'm still trying to figure it all out myself. It's something that we have been preparing for for quite some time. Because I'm paranoid person in general but I think this is obviously going to change the landscape of not just restaurants but retail and small business in general. So I'm just trying to figure out you know what happens if and when this all ends. That's that's that's very hard to picture and I don't really have an answer and then trying to make sure that everyone washes their hands. And if you're sick stay home for not feeling well stay home and figuring out what we can do but I think operating a restaurant right now is probably secondary to the safety and health of every one of our employees and guests. Have you noticed a downturn in the number of people who have been dining restaurants? I think across the board. If you talked to anyone I would say the answer is yes and particularly my friends that operate restaurants in Italy China and Japan and Hong Kong and I- beginning a lot of potential data patterns as to what might happen here. It's not that will look is not looking great right now and Morgan. What about you because so much of your work is out on the field meeting people interviewing people being in crowds? How is it changing your production schedule your outlook on the kinds of stories that you can and are able to tell we've already had to cancel a couple of shoot trips? We had a shoot trip to South Korea this week. Actually that we canceled about a month ago and I think all international travels off for the time being but even domestic travel a lot of it is a little sketchy at the moment. So that part of it I think is difficult. I think the post production part which for what I do and nonfiction big big piece is I think we're going to be okay doing that. So basically if we can kind of hunker and edit and kind of wait until some subsides than than I think it may be won't be too bad of a a disruption but but that's kind of a best case scenario and have you guys even had early conversations about another season of ugly delicious because obviously you're out about when you're making that series. We've been talking about it. Since the last dave shooting of last season I think we all love making the show. It's just finding the right the right time in place and and and the opportunity. I want to ask you about the first time you met and the first conversations about doing the show. We met strangely enough on working on another series. That never happened with sort of a pilot and it was with coach k. From Duke and I spend a day with coach k. I think it was like what was it two days or one day one day and obviously a big fan of Morgan's work and that's how we met and whatever happened that day in terms of shooting. I think Morgan felt Maybe it was a good idea to see if there's something else to do down the road. Yeah I came from that day feeling like Oh my God this guy needs a TV show. Like Dave was so not just articulate and smart but vulnerable in a way that I really appreciated talking about his own kind of neurosis and things that I thought was really just an open book which is kind of a great a great thing for a subject but then when I got to hang out with him and some of his Food writer friends and chef friends and hear them talk and realize that what they do is argue about food and argue about everything how it relates to food and I felt like Oh these are the conversations I've never heard you know. These are the conversations we don't get in most food programs which which tend to kind of tell you the best place or the proper way or the whatever and I thought it was really interesting to have arguments about culture through food and really in my mind. That's kind of what ugly delicious is a cultural debate show masquerading as a Fujita. But those debates and arguments aren't necessarily mean spirited. It seems like so much of what we see on television as it relates to chefs are mean. It's Hell's kitchen kitchen. Nightmares worst cooks in America. Or It's maybe too fussy like chefs table. Where you have to do things that no regular chef can do well. I think if I behaved in a manner of Hell's kitchen or those dramatically bad real TV series or even chess table which is again as you say like very glossy. I don't know Morgan would work with me about telling our version of of a story. That's honest as possible. Yeah I mean it was something about the messy. -Ness of what Dave was doing there is. There is kind of an aesthetic to these debates that was just messy. It wasn't trying to make everything tidy both in terms of food and in terms of argument that it was it was saying. It's okay to ask questions. It's okay to disagree. We're all trying to figure it out and I thought that was really interesting. Approach both in terms of the filmmaking and in terms of the story well it strikes me that the show becomes through that less a show about being in the kitchen and more show about being in the world. That food is the backdrop. But it doesn't feel as to the story that it's really about people happen to do this. And that's what they share in common. Do you think that's a little bit of how this season has evolved? And I think absolutely I think Dave Haggar Adorn the award-winning food critic food writer and the stakes episode. Basically said it and it's a sort of a state of mind that. I didn't quite grasp until doing this sort of episode. And you know if you just go out to a restaurant to eat. That's just that has no meaning the whole idea of eating to me which was a central. I think pattern theme running through all four episodes was community. A lot of this show is about. You're kind of experiencing new ways to cook new approaches to food. Do you think of yourself as kind of the ambassador for the audience. Not only in new ways of seeing food but also in new ways of seeing other cultures Bashar audience. I try to go in just as me but I think where there might be connection to the audience and why sometimes the audience may be like allergic to me is because and just like going on going into situations like a dummy trying to have an open mind and have my opinions be proven wrong so I'm just always open to changing things. It's the whole idea. What strongly held beliefs loosely held or something like that. But I don't know Morgan. Morgan can say a little bit more about that. Like he loves putting me in situations where. I don't know anything I love to see. Dave get schooled you know. It's it's great because they both have strong opinions. But he's really willing to have those challenged and I think as often as we can put him in situations where that happens the better. I mean the the episode on Indian food was a perfect example because Dave basically said this is really important and I know nothing so it was a great kind of adventure to send him on Because he he learned everything. His ignorance in that way was an was an asset. I WANNA ask you Dave about this idea of ugly delicious. It describes a way of cooking. That may not be pretty but it tastes good. I would say it's kind of really well made comfort food home cooking and there seems to be such a kind of split right now in high end. Dining over the weekend I was up in Berkeley. I had dinner at Chez Panisse were. The menu is not cheap. But it's really simple beautiful ingredients prepared perfectly and yet at the other we. Have you know people who are cooking? You know Kofi of Unicorn with an amuse Bouche of dragon tears. How would you place your food between those two extremes because it seems to occupy a very special place for you? I mean the reality is I love. Both sides of that equation and and this is just one giant spectrum with with a very complex tasting menus and things that can be as pure as what Alice makes it Chez Panisse and I think to me the weird balances you tried to embrace both simultaneously and you know the whole idea of ugly delicious was food. Everybody wants to eat something delicious. No one wants to eat bad food but the meaning behind it and the value behind it and the culture truce behind it tend to not always be correct and it's the old what the beauty of the beholder. It's it's the same with food. And what is it? Kimchi is a perfect example. Like I grew up. Eating G in Bramley made fun of growing up for eating him now. Everybody wants so. It's funny how that all works so it's really just trying to tell stories that we all WanNa tasty things. We are actually all sort of eat. The same thing The only thing that sort of gets in our way or cultural ignorance coming up on the frame more of my conversation with the creators of ugly delicious David Chang and Morgan Neville. We continue now with my conversation with David. Chang and Morgan naval there the creators of a Netflix documentary series ugly delicious for this culinary show. Food is just a springboard for a deeper discussion about race class gender and more so I asked novel how ugly delicious connect something as simple as a plate of food to meaningful debate. We talk about the conversations. I you know what are the things we want to explore? And then what's food? That takes us there and I think underneath. Every episode is an idea that we don't necessarily ever articulate that we want to investigate it could be immigration or authenticity or tradition. But it's then through the food that we kind of tell that story we can Trojan Horse in and I love that. I think that's what's so great about food is that it's it's something we all have a relationship to we all eat. We all identify to some extent by what we eat and how we eat and how other people eat so I feel like it's the most common part of culture so what better way to tell stories to help understand people and understand ourselves through food so I think it's been amazing to work on the show because yes it's about food but it's about whatever we want to talk about too. It's impossible to watch your series and not think of Anthony Bourdain and his passing in fact. There's a moment where you talk about where you were David. On the day he died. I'd like to ask the chef. Morgan is a filmmaker about the influence at Anthony. Bourdain had on you as storytellers. Though first time I ever did. Real any television was because they anthony and In many ways been older brother mentor to me and really taught me a lot and I think it was. Just be yourself and be a good person. I mean he had to know. Ask Rule so.

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