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"daryl davis" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"An exalted cyclops. Sherby being the guy who pumps gas gets beat up by his older brothers or neighbors and whose wife left him or something kids. Don't talk to him no. I'm the grand wizard now. Like i'm a big deal right. I can't earn my way at the top. You can sorta hate your way is a big deal within plan them the invisible empires they call it now. You mentioned the secret rituals and stuff. Yeah here's a story. You'll appreciate god's honest truth. This exalted cyclops. I district leader. He's getting promoted from is august cyclops to great titan which means he's gonna be the head of the county like we will call a county manager county executives he's very lazy and he did not study his clan craft. You know you gotta take a test and go through a ritual. You be appointed characters position. It study up on it and so the thing was the rights. We're going to be done on the weekend. He calls me up in the middle of the week because he's too embarrassed he's had a month to study up this stuff. He's too embarrassed to call this grand dragon or his imperial wizard to find out what he needed to know what he needed to do because you they were took. Why do you study before you had a month ago right. So he calls me and tells me his dilemma and wants to know what he has to do because he knows i know clansman called you for a crash course in clan ideologies so he could pass his test. This called clamp grabbed. Wow so yeah fame crafts. So i told him and best there must have. I mean every time you do something like that. There must be a little seed where the person goes so. Let me get this straight added. Call daryl davis my boyfriend to tell me how to pass my clan tests. So that i can learn more about how i how were superior and i hate people who look like him like every little. It's like i'm from michigan so this analogy doesn't make sense in california but it's like when there's cracks in concrete and then you pour water in there and the water freezes it cracks. Just get a little bit bigger every single time. That's gotta be kind like that sort of yeah phenomenon. It takes a while to connect the dots. Yeah but it happens it happens. I think we've gone quite overtime here but in in closing here i'd love to get this sort of bit about space age times and stone-age minds. I'd love to kind of get that and maybe we can wrap with that. What he think. Whatever you like. Yeah well what i've said before. Is this that it bothers me a great deal that we call ourselves the greatest nation on the face of this earth. Now there's nothing wrong with being patriotic and loyal. And i am very loyal. I am very patriotic. I love my country. I does have its flaws but we are progressing and we will get to where we need to be at some point so i'm not i'm not saying anything against the country but we have to admit that there are some flaws here. I don't adhere to that statement that we are the brightest. Maybe i would bend in say that perhaps technologically. We are the greatest. After all we americans put a man on the moon. We invented that technology to put. Neil armstrong up there on the moon before anybody else and while neil armstrong was up there walking around on the moon making that famous statement one small step for man one giant leap for mankind. We were able to talk to neil armstrong via satellite radio. Phone all the way earth. All the way to the moon we americans and vented that technology. Everybody who's who's going to watch this podcast or listen to it. Every one of them has email and have a cell phone type of few words. Few numbers hit send. And you're talking to somebody right next door to your state or halfway across the country or even anywhere on the planet anywhere in the face of this earth. We invented that technology. So how is it that we as americans can talk to people as far away as the moon or anywhere on the face of this earth but yet there's so many of us who have difficulty talking to the person who lives right next door because he or she is a different color a different religion a different persuasion a different whatever or they are a family member seated at your dinner table who voted for a different candidate. And you can't talk to them anymore. How we can do that. Though that we can't carry on these conversations it seems to me that before we can call ourselves resignation of physical earth. Our ideology needs to catch up to our technology. And when we get both of those up there then we can truly brag about how great we are. so this is the twenty first century. The nazis racists nonsense does not belong to any century let alone. The twenty-first we are living in space age times but there are still too many of us thinking with stone-age minds. Daryl davis thank you so much. This is fascinating man. There's a lot. I'm sure there's even more. You're continually doing this right. This isn't like a done with. this is absolutely. Let's call this part one. You sometimes report to you. Know what are you currently working on. You're probably got a lot of friends that are sort of teeter-tottering on the edge of leaving. Whatever the clan or whatever. Other group does your. They've joined but what other products do you have going. I mean there's a documentary lincoln. The show notes. You've got a book. Are you redoing the book. I know it was a. It's been a while. I just finished second book. all right. is With my agent. Now i'm working with people like jeff scoop and beyond barriers helping him and others come out of that That radicalization and working in preventive work work with him with a group. Called parents for peace would have allowed to the parents because your kids have been involved in different kinds of things great organization on other one called parallel networks. Which is run by my good friend. Jessie morton jesse is a former al-qaeda. Extremists wow yeah by the fascinating story. I can fix you up at some of these people. That would be great. I mean al qaeda is a and nazi groups and things like that. I mean i just wanted on now. I'll be happy to. And i work with him and his group. He knows a lot about extremism and that kind of you know jihadi extremism and white supremacy. There are some parallels there in as to why people join those those groups at how to get them out at people who've been in these roofs they know their recruitment tactics to bring others in so therefore they know how to get them out as well. People jeff scoop jessie morton on what we can organization called fair which has come up with a new learning standards to address a lot of the controversy surrounding what kizer taught about racism in schools. You know is good. Crt and bad crt and you know fair is trying to get all that cleared up. So i'm happy to work with a lot of these. Different routes plan continuing to meet with white supremacists and speak to them. Go to their rallies. Try to do what i can do. My part to bring our country together and make this the greatest nation. It should be hell. Yeah thank you daryl so much this is really really interesting and we'll talk to you soon. Take care thank you. He found this episode interesting. 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"daryl davis" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"You wanna help somebody else get started. Of course. I always appreciate that. Now this is part. Two with daryl davis the jazz musician who helps klu klux klan members get out of the clan by befriending them. Oh and did i mention. He's black nude self. That's a quite defeat there. He's starting with a little bit of a handicap trying to make friends with clansman but he's managed to do a great job. If you haven't heard part one yet go back and listen to part one that will get you situated here partout if you're joining us for to welcome back. Let's dive right in. You don't seem to be offended by the racist and hateful commentary coming from clansmen or other people to your face right. So how did you develop the ability. To what do you call it. Compartmentalize that or or not. Allow it to get to you. How did you. How did you develop that. Because i know who i am and you cannot define me unless you know me you know so i just meet this guy. Ten minutes ago. He walks in the room to be interviewed. And he's telling me that. I'm a criminal because you know black people are prone to crime. I asked the question hopping you hate. You don't even know me. And some of the answers are black. People prone to crime. Where's the evidence of that. One should davis. All you have to do is look at our prison system. There are more black people in prison than white people. What he's telling me is true as esa fat. I'm so the data shows that but he's not looking at the reason why they're more blacks in prison. He's not looking at the imbalance and judicial system that puts black people in prison for things that white people get to go home for or get shorter sentences for whatever ati seizes them were blasting prison than whites so therefore are probably more to crime to white people. That's the narrative benefits. So i don't push. I just listen to him now. When he first walked in the room in sees me his wall goes right up. Because i'm not the object of his affection right. I'm black. that's why he joined the plan so his wall is up. He's on the on the attack. His job is to let me know my place. My place is the place of somebody inferior..
"daryl davis" Discussed on The Jordan Harbinger Show
"One with daryl davis. It's amazing that was that kind of simple and easy. And i know that you dug a little bit deeper after that. I mean you. You eventually got a meeting with a guy who was supposed to be kind of dangerous right. Tell me about that okay. So at the end of that year. I think i played through december through christmas. Then i quit the band. And i went back to playing rock and roll and blues are ambient. Whatever else was going on. So i lost track of the guy you know. It wasn't like i was going to stay in contact with the kkk. Well sometime later it dawned on me. Hey daryl you didn't realize it but the answer to your question. How can you hate me when you don't even know me that's been plaguing us since the age of ten it fell right into your lap. Who better to ask that question. Then somebody in the can't get back in contact with that guy. And so i was gonna do that. I decided i'm going to write a book. I have tons of books clan and all kinds of white supremacy black supremacy off ideology tons of books on it. No book had been written by a black author on jayjay from the perspective of in person interviews. So i'm gonna do that kind of guy within my mom passed away and so i put things off a couple of years and then i got into it so long story short. I did get in contact with him. He did not wanna turn me onto the cleanliness. And i knew who the leader was but not personally he said no no no. I can't do that you know. Get in trouble and he didn't want to get in trouble. He don't want me to get in trouble he really like well. Listen give me the guys anderson phone number. He didn't wanna do that. But i finally persuaded to do it. And he did it on the condition that i not tell this guy where i got his personal information. I said okay. And he warned me. Sit darrow. Do not food. With roger. Kelly as the guy's name roger. Kelly will kill you. I said well that's the whole reason and talk to him. I'll watch about this. Why would he do that. Just because of the color of my skin it makes no sense. This is what i need to understand. So he warned me again but gave me the number. And you know implored me not to tell mr kelly where i got his information as so. That's where that that started. So then i decided okay. My secretary is white and only mention that. Not that i care but because it's an integral part of the store as part of the story. Yeah yeah. I called. Mr kelly myself on the one who had the phone number but i thought if i called him he might recognize in my voice that i'm black. I'm not talking to you. Click the whole project would have ended before it ever got started so i told her mary. I said listen. Call this guy. Roger kelly. I said do not tell him that. I'm black unless he asks if you don't let him but don't give them reason to ass tell them that you're working for your boss. Who's writing a book on the plan. Would he consent to sitting down and giving me an interview said okay. I see that nobody clan new i was. I was right involved in music. So she called and he did not ask what was he agreed to do the interview. So we arranged megabits motel marion. I got their super early. I mean several hours early. And i gave her some money. Sent her down the hall to get some soda. Pop out of the vending machine put in the ice book to get cold so odd to be hospitable and offer my guest. You know cold drink. I had no idea what this man was going to do when he saw me. Would he attacked me. What do you say. I might talk to you and walk away or would come in the room and do the interview in any event. I knew what i was gonna do. I was going to be hospitable. So you know she got the soda put in the ice bucket so with ice and we waited and right on time at five fifteen. On sunday afternoon there was a knock on the door. So now the room situated way you cannot see. Who's in the room from the the doorway. You gotta come in the room. Turn around the corner. And then you see room laid out I'm sitting in the most obscure corner of the room at his little lamp table thing. I took them off. I had a black bag by my chair. Appointed to set records out of their center on the table in the bag. I have some blank cassettes and a copy of the bible because the client claims to be christian organization and they say the bible preaching racial separation. Not never seen it in there. So i want to be able to. Hey please show me chapter in verse whereas as some prepare right not not nearly hops up and runs around. The corner opens the door in walks plan bodyguard. And he's in military camouflage that.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Untangle
"History is as much a part of my history as my black history is part of your history. We both are Americans. We have a Lotta history. Let's explore it together. So he said, okay. And he and I got together and we spend time talking I. Listened to him. Give me a two hour lecture on American history from a confederate perspective. Of course. I. Sat there listening to him. Some of the things got right. Some of the things he got wrong but I waited till he finished. Even though I may not agree with things he was saying. And I sat in his house with all kinds of tickets all over the walls. I've sat on his considerate flag blanket on his couch and listened. And because I gave him that respect I, gave him the chance to be heard I was fair. He agreed it was my turn I said well, rather than let's talk here I have an idea. Let's set up a date. You come down to my house, my house, an hour and a half from his house I can add to my house. We will go to the new Smithsonian National, Museum of African, American history and culture. Let's tour that together I have a connection there that can give me some tickets. So he agreed. So he and his translated fiance, the date came I got the tickets they drove down to my house. We sat around my little a little bit. Put them in my car I gonNa live about twenty minutes from DC. So we drive down there we go into the newseum we to wait for almost three hours. And of working with this guy for almost a year. He began changing well a few weeks after the museum trip, which was just about two months less than a year from when he had pulled a gun and fired it in Charlottesville Day he's going to be married to this leading the CIANCIO and invited to the wedding. And the only non campers wedding, right? So her father was unable to make it up here. She's in Chattanooga, Tennessee, unable to travel this far. So rather than asked one of their trusted clan members to be the surrogate father and walking down the aisle and give her away the right away they asked me. Tell you something. We all grow up with the notion that a tiger cannot change stripes. A Leopard cannot change a spots. So why will rethink that a clansman would change changes, Robin Hood or shed his white supremacy while the reason is this? Yes a tiger cannot change his stripes. A liberty cannot changes spots. However, that is because the Leopard and tiger were born with those stripes and spots. A clansman is not born with that Robin Hood a white supremacist is not born being racist. This is learned behavior. All right. So what can be learned can also become an learned. A little while, but it can be done. Unbelievable. Thank you so much for your incredibly inspiring story your courage, and thank you for empowering all of us with the understanding that we can have honest conversations with people on the other side that we can listen openly in. Evenly we can exchange ideas and bit by bit shift to be closer in one another's perspective and seeing one another's humanity. Yes. Let's be patient. Let's exercise courtesy respect. And understand people's points of view understand our own. We can hold our own views and things like that. But let's have a curious exchange and everything does not have to change in an hour's time. A lot of our TV shows show a case being made somebody being killed and being investigated and saw convicted all in an hour's time. You take like law and order show on like that. It's all done in solve the one hour. This is not TV this is reality. So things do take longer than an hour. If you're willing to invest the time, you are willing to invest in changing this great country to becoming a greater country. We're not make it great. WE'RE GONNA make it greater for the future. Inc. you so so much. Thank you. Are there resources that can point people to your book? Are you giving courses ask somebody wasn't wants to hire me course absolutely my book my original book clandestine relationships is now out of print however, I just finished writing the second book which has everything from the first books and it has updates and new stories. is, called the plan whisperer and right now is windsor the editing process so it should be out sometime next year I. Hope everybody will take the time to pick up a copy and read it and also go to my website, which is Darrel da Ara y l. only one are Daryl Davis Dot Com antastic. All of that information will be in the show notes. Thank you so much for your amazing work. That was Daryl Davis? You can find out more at his website, Daryl Davis DOT COM. You can also hear his music there because he's an extraordinary jazz musician. If you're curious to see pictures of the wedding where he walked the clans were down the aisle as surrogate father, you can find them in our show notes page. and. If he curious about Muse, the brain fencing headband that helps you meditate and sleep, you can find out more at choose news dot com. And you can use discount code news stressed less. I hope you all have less stressful week. And now armed with these new methods to be able to bridge the divide in the conversations. The people of different opinions we are all able to get a little bit closer in our humanity..
"daryl davis" Discussed on Untangle
"Today I have the most amazing guest for you. . He is a man that really shows us the possibility of how to disparate sides can come together. . His name is Daryl Davis and he's a black man who is convinced over two hundred Klu Klux Klan members to give up their robes by boldly and bravely walking in deep into their lives deep into the heart of the Ku Klux Klan, , becoming friends with them and showing them his sheer humanity. . Today. . We're GONNA hear Darrell Story and learn how it is that he threw his empathy compassion insight in bravery has been able to really embrace a methodology that allows people from opposite sides to come together learn from another become friends heal and grow welcome Daryl. . Pleasure. . To be here with you. Thank . you for having me. . It is such a pleasure. You're . such an extraordinary human being sorry to embarrass you. . I am so excited to be able to share your story and your insights today. . My pleasure and I hope you'll listeners will enjoy it. . Thank you. . Why don't you begin by telling us the back story to how and why you are able to penetrate the clan? ? Okay. . I'm aged fifty, , two currently and as a child, , my parents were in the US foreign service. . So I spent a lot of my formative years starting at the age of three. . And on through elementary school traveling abroad living in various foreign countries, , you go to a country for two years and you come back home here to the states, , and then you're reassigned to another country. . So back and forth back and forth during my formative years while overseas my classes in elementary school and things like that were filled with kids from all over the world. . Anybody who had an embassy in those countries all of their children went to the same school. . So my classmates were Nigeria Italian Russian Japanese French you name it they had an embassy there I was in school with their kids and to me that was the norm that was my first exposure to school. . and. . So when I would come back home at the end of the two year assignment, , I would either be in all black schools. . Black and white schools meaning the still segregated schools or the newly integrated ones like. . Well I left. CHICAGO. . . Shortly after I was born but we will come back and we would be like in Washington DC or be in Massachusetts different places for a short time before being reassigned every other two years. . So I was back I know I was for part of Second Grade I was back for a fourth grade. . I was back in sixth grade and I was back here in eighth grade when I would come back the schools were either all black or black and white meeting still segregated. . Or newly integrated, , and there was not the amount of diversity in my classroom that I had overseas. . So in one case, , I was in fourth grade nine, hundred, , , sixty, , eight, , I was ten years old and I was one of two black children in the entire school myself in fourth grade and a little black girl in second grade. . So consequently, , all of my friends were white and many of my male friends were members of the local, , Cub Scout Group and they invited me to join which I did. . And during a March we had from Lexington Concord to commemorate the ride of a Paul Revere. . Suddenly I was being pelted with soda pop bottles and cans and Rawson just debris from the street by just a small group of the white spectators on the sidewalk not everybody most people were cheering us in waving and all that kind of thing. . But there were about maybe five people off to my right I remember there being a couple of kids or half a year or two older than myself and a couple of adults who are throwing ends, , and when I first began getting hit and looked over and saw this my first thought was oh, , those people over there don't like the scouts. . That's how naive I was because I had never been to. . Before and it wasn't until my <hes> scout leaders came rushing over and these were white people, , my den mother, , my cub leader, , my troop master, , and they huddled over me with their bodies and escorted me out of the danger. . And I realized I was the only person being targeted because nobody else was getting this special protection and I, , asked him, , I, , said, , why am I being hit why they're doing this? ? I didn't do anything and all they would do this kind of shush me and rushing along telling me everything would be okay. . Just keep moving. . and. So . they never answered the question. . At the end of the day when I returned home my mother and father who would not at the parade. . were, , fixing, , cleaning the UP, , putting bandaids on me and ask me how do I fall down and get scraped up I told him I didn't fall down into the mud happened. . And this was the first time in my life that I heard the word racism they explained what racism was to me. . And my opinion old brain could not process this definition. . It made no sense to me whatsoever I'd been around white people from all over the world at this point and none of them whether they were my fellow Americans my French friends, , my Swedish friends, , my Australian friends, , none of them treated me like this. . So my parents were making this up because people don't do things like that. . And they assured me that not all white people do this but there is an element of some they do and I just cannot wrap my head around it. . So I didn't believe them well about almost two months later. . That same year nineteen, , Sixty, , eight. . On April the fourth Martin Luther King was assassinated. . And every major city in this country burned to the ground. . All in the name of this new word I had learned call racism. .
Daryl Davis On Healing Hate with Friendship
"Today I have the most amazing guest for you. He is a man that really shows us the possibility of how to disparate sides can come together. His name is Daryl Davis and he's a black man who is convinced over two hundred Klu Klux Klan members to give up their robes by boldly and bravely walking in deep into their lives deep into the heart of the Ku Klux Klan, becoming friends with them and showing them his sheer humanity. Today. We're GONNA hear Darrell Story and learn how it is that he threw his empathy compassion insight in bravery has been able to really embrace a methodology that allows people from opposite sides to come together learn from another become friends heal and grow welcome Daryl. Pleasure. To be here with you. Thank you for having me. It is such a pleasure. You're such an extraordinary human being sorry to embarrass you. I am so excited to be able to share your story and your insights today. My pleasure and I hope you'll listeners will enjoy it. Thank you. Why don't you begin by telling us the back story to how and why you are able to penetrate the clan? Okay. I'm aged fifty, two currently and as a child, my parents were in the US foreign service. So I spent a lot of my formative years starting at the age of three. And on through elementary school traveling abroad living in various foreign countries, you go to a country for two years and you come back home here to the states, and then you're reassigned to another country. So back and forth back and forth during my formative years while overseas my classes in elementary school and things like that were filled with kids from all over the world. Anybody who had an embassy in those countries all of their children went to the same school. So my classmates were Nigeria Italian Russian Japanese French you name it they had an embassy there I was in school with their kids and to me that was the norm that was my first exposure to school. and. So when I would come back home at the end of the two year assignment, I would either be in all black schools. Black and white schools meaning the still segregated schools or the newly integrated ones like. Well I left. CHICAGO. Shortly after I was born but we will come back and we would be like in Washington DC or be in Massachusetts different places for a short time before being reassigned every other two years. So I was back I know I was for part of Second Grade I was back for a fourth grade. I was back in sixth grade and I was back here in eighth grade when I would come back the schools were either all black or black and white meeting still segregated. Or newly integrated, and there was not the amount of diversity in my classroom that I had overseas. So in one case, I was in fourth grade nine, hundred, sixty, eight, I was ten years old and I was one of two black children in the entire school myself in fourth grade and a little black girl in second grade. So consequently, all of my friends were white and many of my male friends were members of the local, Cub Scout Group and they invited me to join which I did. And during a March we had from Lexington Concord to commemorate the ride of a Paul Revere. Suddenly I was being pelted with soda pop bottles and cans and Rawson just debris from the street by just a small group of the white spectators on the sidewalk not everybody most people were cheering us in waving and all that kind of thing. But there were about maybe five people off to my right I remember there being a couple of kids or half a year or two older than myself and a couple of adults who are throwing ends, and when I first began getting hit and looked over and saw this my first thought was oh, those people over there don't like the scouts. That's how naive I was because I had never been to. Before and it wasn't until my scout leaders came rushing over and these were white people, my den mother, my cub leader, my troop master, and they huddled over me with their bodies and escorted me out of the danger. And I realized I was the only person being targeted because nobody else was getting this special protection and I, asked him, I, said, why am I being hit why they're doing this? I didn't do anything and all they would do this kind of shush me and rushing along telling me everything would be okay. Just keep moving. and. So they never answered the question. At the end of the day when I returned home my mother and father who would not at the parade. were, fixing, cleaning the UP, putting bandaids on me and ask me how do I fall down and get scraped up I told him I didn't fall down into the mud happened. And this was the first time in my life that I heard the word racism they explained what racism was to me. And my opinion old brain could not process this definition. It made no sense to me whatsoever I'd been around white people from all over the world at this point and none of them whether they were my fellow Americans my French friends, my Swedish friends, my Australian friends, none of them treated me like this. So my parents were making this up because people don't do things like that. And they assured me that not all white people do this but there is an element of some they do and I just cannot wrap my head around it. So I didn't believe them well about almost two months later. That same year nineteen, Sixty, eight. On April the fourth Martin Luther King was assassinated. And every major city in this country burned to the ground. All in the name of this new word I had learned call racism.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Reds Ramblings
"Welcome may be the reds ramblings I have with me today Daryl Davis Darryl is an American musician and leader of the Dale Davis Band who has played with Chuck. Berry Jerry Lee, Lewis be king and many others as considered one of the greatest boogie woogie artists of his generation. There'll is also known for his involvement in befriending members of the KKK and other organizations of the like in getting them to change their views of the world to renounce those ideals and see a world in better is thank you so much Darrell for joining me today. My voice just cracked I. AM crazy nervous. Wasn't to the show. Thank you. It really appreciate your taking the time to speak with me. Well I when I sent the email to your receptionist. I was not expecting our pie hours at work the night that I got the reply and. Crazy crazy excited craze excited. So, once again, thank you. You've done a lot. You've done in your life from. Going up traveling all of the world you know with your parents. You follow was a member of foreign services if I remember correctly. Rude. To plan in in bands and playing music for easily probably mostly your your life for sure and primarily is what you do. But you're also incredibly well known for what you've done in like I just mentioned in changing the minds of individuals. To. See the world better see world how it should be seen in my opinion others would argue against that but. You, know Sally, the world we live in but that's not how you got started I don't. I don't recall reading or listening to anything about you start like, Hey, I'm going to start changing minds right? No I never I never set out to do that you know. It kind of became organic. I just set out to find out you know why people think that way that ideology come from. And And as a result of of conversations the ideology began changing was not something that I. Had planned. I never set out to convert anybody even though the media. Puts, it out well, know black musician converts x number of a clansman I didn't convert them. They converted themselves but I would say that I was the impetus you for their for their self introspection conversion. Yeah. Because I I've listened to private like most people I I heard of you in from articles or whatnot light like said, media says, you know Black Musician Converts two, hundred plus members of KKK. By I really heard you on the Joe. Rogan podcast. I would assume a lot of people as well and since then. Big. Fan Love you do we definitely more people like.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Mark Bell's Power Project
"KTAR project crew, welcome the today show. This episode was recorded on June eleventh, and it is not a repeat of the previous episode, although we did just have him on recently just a matter of weeks ago, but today we are on with Daryl Davis Davis is the gentlemen that has converted over two hundred clansmen to turn in their robes and turn a new leaf per se. But today we actually brought him back because we wanted to. Get his thoughts on the current events today. What he calls the George Floyd Lynching, he explained to us what lynching actually meant, and why he believes that George Floyd was not killed. He was not murdered. He was lynched by that police officer, so we really got just we talked about that. We talked about just a whole gamut of things regarding to a racist racist issues, racial issues and we really think he isn't going to like this episode going to try to get out of your way as soon as possible, but really really quick If you guys missed the call in show the other day we had an absolute blast. We had our boy Jesse verdict on. And we took calls. We took your calls. It was a it was A. it was a lot of fun as a new experience as a new feature that we hope to do a lot more often, but if you guys did miss out on that one. Make sure you text anything you can text like Jesse. Verdict says you can text the word farts to two, zero, six, seven, three, seven, seven, three, six, nine, and every time we go live and were accepting calls. You guys will get a text notification. Right on your phone to let you know. Hey, we're live and they'll be Lincoln there and you guys will actually. Actually get to join, or actually you'll get to listen to the conversation and then select whether or not you would like.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Mark Bell's Power Project
"We didn't have a black president. Wouldn't have the amount of illegal immigration all. The things that are driving supremacy wouldn't have Charlottesville we didn't have Donald Trump. So there's lots of the new book so it'll be out It'll be completed by the end of this year. Hopefully be out. Maybe by the end of the zero beginning next year you can find me at Daryl Davis Dot Com and Darryl is bell one Har- D. A. R. Y. L. Daryl Davis DOT COM. I hope you guys will just consider this to be part. One let love the Newport juice of that we would love that also definitely really quick. 'cause you just touched on. Charlottesville and I urge you in the past. You know because that whole thing at least on the surface it would appear because of like the people wanting to take down the confederate statues. And you know I. I know when people see the confederate flag it evokes a certain type of emotion. But you say that. That's American history and we shouldn't take it down on said we should take it down. We should not destroy destroy. Sorry Okay thank you yeah. The confederate flag is is American history. So a slavery so you know. We don't want to deny slavery not not exhibit. Things in our history is good bad ugly and all of it should be. Displayed is American. History and every country has bet I don't believe the confederate first of all. This country is called the United States. It only has one flat ambassador Flab. That shouldn't be flown especially over the state capital in. They were flying the confederate flag over the Chapel in South Carolina. Which I thought was wrong. That did not reflect all the people in South Carolina. I believe considered memorials should be taken down in a museum or build a confederate memorial part and dip the statues. Their flags. There people who want to do that now they are. You know that was the battle flag and end. The civil war was far was fought in the most part You know for for keeping slavery and that represented that now there those people say on another the flag represents southern heritage Blah Blah Blah. Well yes but there are many things a south has to be proud of slavery is not one of them and maybe you can find something else to be proud of. Showed that rather than show you flat. You're flying for slavery. But if you are told people this Stanford Stanford Heritage Okay here. Here's my challenge. Those people and I told them this. If you believe that flag stands for heritage every time you go to a Klan rally or just dual Klan Rally hit images you see confederate flags with rogue hooded Klansman and even people wear swastikas walking alongside confederate flag. Okay if you believe it hasn't Stanford hate then you want to reclaim your flag for heritage. Then you go to a Klan Rally with me you tell those people to give you back your flag. It does not stand for what they stand for. If you do that I will come over your house and I will give you considerate flag and hoisted up your fried full for. Thanks again. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you so stay friends? I will take you sir. Thank you powerful stuff guys. Wows.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Mark Bell's Power Project
"Dan Layer Pine top Perkins one of the greatest blues and Boogie. Woogie ever who insolence everybody anybody somebody waters and everybody else so I I am. Blessed in that I got hands on training from some of the people who invented the music. Not Second third generation down the line from I. I got it right from check. Perry right from John Johnson. It'd be like a classical piano blurred getting lessons from Beethoven Bach. Yeah you know I was. I want curious on your viewpoint in this because you were talking about how the I guess. The media has a big effect on. Like you know how we see things these days and there were two situations that like thought about in the past one was when. I went to Nigeria. Because my family's from there when I was sixteen years old now when I went there I was playing soccer out. You know just playing soccer and kids and a lot of the younger kids they were saying like there is Sunday and all this and they're like so. Are you a blood? You a crib. And they were trying to talk like the random Nigerian kids. These are Nigeria. Yes yes hawk liked the rappers that you see on TV here because they're like they're asking me. If I was a blood or chrome like a modern gang and and I was just like okay. Were these kids getting this from and then another situation happened when I was a little bit older In a pass relationship of mine and the the father of the person I was dating wasn't from the United States he was he wasn't from. It wasn't even that here for that long of a time and after a three met me. He's like everything about insieme other than the fact that he's black now. When I thought about that too that had me I thought a little bit about Nigeria. I'm like the sky probably hasn't had that. Many interactions with people or African Americans. He has it but he's probably seen a lot of stuff on TV and he thinks worse certain way. So you know it's like the the you know when we go back to what you're saying of. How can you hate me even if you don't know me you can? It's also what's portrayed of us through through through what people see us as what they think of us on TV. Yes absolutely you know and I'll tell you something many you're right on it again I I've been jeopardy Lagos. And like I said I lived in Africa for ten years different other than idiopathic Ghana Guinea and Senegal and visited many countries in between And when I was a kid you know over there lead the African kids. They're always wanted imitate Americans and that's not a common thing you know. It goes back to the grass greener on the other side. You know what what kind of perfume to American Women Want French. Perfume well guess. What Frenchwoman was American purview If you will with with your girlfriend or whatever you want over a bottle of wide you want some French wine they want. American wide grass could win on the other side and and we try to identify with things that that we that we look up to Over here black-americans are our history was stripped away from us through slavery. Even our names You know And so even our culture and we had to assimilate and so will we get our freedom. There are a lot of us who want to try to identify with with with with something from our past that was taken away and oftentimes we. We don't get accurate information You have done something that many black people have not done. You went to Africa. Most Black Americans have never been and you saw things that they have not seen When I would come back as a kid and and my little classmates would find out other than Africa. Just bedrooms masterpiece. They asked me you see Tarzan not only white kids that too. Yeah because of the media right and so over here we want identify. Because we don't have we don't have roots. We want to make up our roots in active and tobacco central and a lot of times. We things around way You know the hairstyle but afro that used to be big back in the late sixties. Guess what that did not come from Africa that was invented right here in the United States. Even a lot of laugh people think the the the celebration. Kwanza and his African. It's not nope okay. It's not it was invented in California Byron Miranda Okay. He is pulling together different traditions. That are somewhat acrid centric CETERA. Give something to identify with but if not African so there are a lot of misinformation that the media puts out and then you know clam people tell me. I should be grateful of forbidding here even if I was a slave because if I hadn't come here after living a well obviously you know they haven't seen you know the cities in Africa. Africa is one big country. It's not it's one bit. Continent many countries and each country had many cultures. You know so. There is a lot that we're ignorant about ear all of us and and this is why why education is so important and why travel is so important otherwise would begin creating things that don't exist. And we perpetuate them they become a reality in our mom because you know once perspective is when reality and there and there is a saying. I've forgotten that. Who said it but something to be a set of the mass criminal. Gatien of a lot. I know more makes the truth in the mass disbelief of the truth. Makes it a lot? How do we have conversations with our kids about this? You know at the dinner. I doubt that these things will be really taught in school Because they they may have too much Controversy surrounding them. So how do we communicate with our children about racism? And how do we help them to Maybe not grow up like some of our ancestors how kids kids are our future and they love spending information. Mfl Kids do this. Absorbed at the dinner table is the perfect place because that s what conversations are solidified remembered and we should not be afraid to to be Not politically correct at the dinner table. I I personally believe political correctness. I've just been straight honest Political correctness shuts too many people down. You're afraid to talk with. You might offend somebody. I don't step on somebody's Whatever but it's our responsibility as parents to instill certain things in our kids if we want them to grow up and have the tools that they need to navigate society outside of school because school teachers certain things when when when I was in school I was not discriminated against. I read the same books as my white counterparts had the same teachers. I got roles in the school claims. You Know I. I thought I was just like anybody else. I didn't find out I was different until I graduate. And the people out there. Outside of school to differently I got turned down for job at the drugstore. You know I was told committed. Apply by one of my fellow classmates who said Hey. My boss was hiring people. You Know He. He wants me to bring my friends so I came in. Listen I know I'm being turned down and it wasn't that the job wasn't available we've got any black people you know So know it's like women for example women and it is again to prepare our daughters women. Today are still making a seventy nine to eighty one cents on a man's dollar for the same amount of work right. So how do you tell a woman in school do? Your best you know be is not good enough giving a as a work your butt off and hard and so these girls worked very hard and and maybe they've become class. Valedictorian ON GRADUATION. Day or something and then they get out there and just because of their gender. They don't get the job and some guy gets the job who who who may be less qualified than day than they are or or they get the job but the guys are getting the promotions at are getting paid more and they're thinking oil what could I go to Spoof. Work my butt off and this guy's not even as qualified as I am and he's getting promoted who des more money and I'm doing the work you know. How do you tell Black People Yet what worked as hard as you can But then when you graduate not gonNA matter equal with anyway. You know We we don't teach that in school but we have to teach kids that not. They should not work any less. We always WANNA strive to do our best whether you're a female black or whatever But we have to prepare our kids to realize that outside of school they may and most likely will be treated a little differently. How do you tell your daughter? She might undergo some kind of sexual Arizona on the job. I taught in high school all right so it comes as a shock to them is our responsibility as parents. It teach our kids bet which they don't learn who because we want them to be successful and be able to navigate society that's why Parents have was called the talk with their kids. And as you know we hear a lot about black black areas having the talk with their sons Why why can't have the talk with their kids also is different data talk though went win when black people we sort of the talk is what to do when you get pulled over by top. That's the talk that that black parents are referring to the talk that the white kids get is a has to do a sex education. You know. Don't come home pregnant. Use Use prophylactics. It's things like that. I don't want to be a grandmother at at eight. Thirty three or whatever So you know these are things that we may not be taught in school but it is. It is our responsibility to to make sure that our kids get a full three sixty education. Daryl Davis thank you so much for your time today. We really appreciate it. You gave us a lot of great information a lot of stuff to think about. Where can people find you and Also when is your when your New Book Going to come out on? Thank you for having me appreciate it. I'm still working on the new book. Hopefully he'll be completed by the end of this year. And come out it. Will it will be a sequel to the last. I'll have Some of the old stories a lot of updates on people where they are now and some new stuff because.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Mark Bell's Power Project
"Whatever that's going to exclude and The that's a bad thing Even I mean if the hate speech in his speech events at that as the line is a little grey but we have to let people speak we have to. We have to listen to them or we can choose not to listen to them but we have to allow him to speak. If we want our voices to be heard and conversations is the only way you gotta change somebody you know like for example if The you you made you made a statement at the at the beginning of Of the program that fact the first statement you made was you could not and never would sit down and talk to one of these people so if I were to figure okay well you know you talk money's people. I'm not gonNA beat the daylights out of you. Continue Talk One of these people. That's not GonNa make you talk to them. But I might have a chance if I converse with you. I may be able to plant some seeds that might persuade you or at least get you thinking. Well you know maybe I can have a conversation about it. You know but if I'm if I'm beating on you all I'm doing is driving away and reinforcing which you already know that you don't want to do it you speed. So that's that's part of the problem. We cannot beat the Nazi out of Nazi. Just that simple. I mean it may feel good to go punch of Nazi in the face or something. But it's not gonNA change in one of the things I love about. You know what you're doing is in an Andrew. Pointed out is that you're not allowing your feelings to take over so you have these feelings. You're like this pisses me off as much as the next person but you're trying to find solutions to it and in European. The solution is to educate if people know more as they got closer to you. I've heard you Have statements before were you said you know some of the things you've heard about? African Americans are they have smaller brains. They are not as smart and things of that nature and once you start to communicate with these people they're like Oh my God like he's really eloquent. you're a an amazing musician? You have all these all these talents and all these skills and you're really Kind of like Eminem does and in his movie eight mile. You're taking everything they ever thought of you and you're pulling it all away. You're pulling all of that away from them so they no longer have it as armor and then plus on top of that to start things out. You're really listening to them. You're listening to the things that they don't understand your and then I would imagine from there. It's probably a process of you. tryin untangle. Maybe some of the thoughts that they've had and how do you kind of manage that part of it? Is that because you know. I can't see win when they see me. They see the enemy. You know. I'm a black person. They have their ideology their wallets up. They're ready to fight the ability to defend quite patriotism. And whatever else you know on all right. I know I'm there to attack. Them is up against them. That's their mentality. But when I come and I'm just chilled. I'm listening to them and allowed them to say whatever they WANNA say. My buttons are not getting pushed etcetera. They get thrown off their game and they had to go home and think about that. Oh you down. That guy's speaks the same language I speak you know. He didn't get up out of shape he listened. He wants the same things for his family that I want the mindset in Oh and and they keep seeing this over and over again but I always make sure that I you know I had them in my relying bike. The border the house. Whatever all right. We'll talk and once I trust them. You know that you know not gonNA blow up my house or shoot near whatever I will invite over some of my friends some of my black friends and my Jewish friends. Some of my wife friends you know. So they can engage in conversation with them as well gives. It's very important that they don't could because if you don't do that they will thank you know Darryl ty- exception is the other black people. You know you don't want that to happen. You don't want that to every Every white persons like my doctors black or my why they display raised. I Live I listen to black music. Like right yeah so you I make sure you know that I suppose to other people who are who who disagree with them and and who you know have the same attributes that they want the same things as a that way you. I'm not saying you're wrong this. I'm letting him see this. And they the home omits figure that out themselves reevaluate. I give it up examples when I first interviewed The first for the book. He came in with his arm bodyguard into the hotel. Room and You Know He. He's the one who I You know you know you don't even know me interviewed a clans Like leader right. Yeah Athlete and at that time. This book called the Bell Curve. Come Out Racist Book that that Moore said Black people do not have the Iq that while people all CETERA. So anyway he wouldn't know he hadn't read the book but he'd heard that that's all he needed to do to build a case right and anyway he said that the black people had smaller brains in white veal before their capacity for IQ was less Brat people are lazy. We don't WANNA work We prefer scam. The government welfare system and and black people are more prone to crime than White People. That's the reason why lacks there? More blacks and Griffin so mean that obviously they must be be more black criminals and doesn't seem people to enslave right people that are lazy right at what she's not considering. The you know the inequity of the judicial system which is why you know there are a lot more in in prison than than the tricky but You're you're on. He has to see the result and that he can. He can write his own narrative about so even though he's he's sitting right across the table from me at saying all these things about me. I did not react negatively to a and that freaked out. 'cause he's so used to fighting with black people on on those points and I'm just sitting here listening to him and at the end I pointed out. Well you know Mr Kelly I have never been in. I don't have a criminal record I have never been on welfare and never measured my brain. But I'm sure it's the same as everybody else's and I knew that I had more education than he and his bodyguard put together. So what do I have to prove? And then now with was sitting across from me he was in a suit and tie and it had a little taste little suitcase with them which was sitting on the bed in the Motel and somebody told me I sensed it swing told me that his robinhood were in that that case and so at the end of the interview I asked him. I said you have your robinhood with you. Said yes you know. He pointed to the case as a would you mind could on for me. Pitcher My book is it okay so afternoon table. He pops open his suitcase. Cools out the robe and hood kicks off his suit. Jacket puts on the robe and hood walks over to the dresser. Where the Maria's? He's standing in the Mirror. You know fixing himself his bodyguards fixing his adjusting the sewage. And all that and I'm sitting at the table you know looking at it. And now I've seen clansman and clan women marched up and down the street in a in a clan. You know a march but I've never seen I never had one put on their road right in front of my face. It you know with you. Know less than five feet away in a room It's very hard for me to describe to you what I was feeling but I was feeling all kinds of feelings. All what's I felt very angry. I felt very sad. I felt very bitter. And I'm ashamed to say it. I felt very violent. I knew I could jump across that table. And take that die down for all the atrocities that people like him wearing Rosenberg just like had done to my ancestors and other members of my ethnicity color of my skin because of that Robin Hood and I had to remind myself der will will will will. Gondolas settled down you number one. You invited him here. It didn't have to come but he came. He gave you the interview. You ask them to come on his Robin Hood. He complied with your wishes. So what are you GONNA do? Are you going to ask somebody to do something for you? And then they oblige you beat them up for now do that a stupid you know so and then I said to myself what he is exact same person who forty five seconds earlier with sitting across from me in a suit and tie and he was saying I had a small brain. I'm on welfare and I'm a criminal. Why am I slap him then? Now he puts on the Robin Hood slapping. He's the same person. The Robin Hood is nothing. More than a piece of material it means nothing. There are people in suits and ties. Who feel the same way? There are people in uniform for badge and gun. Feel the same way. There are judges in black robes. Who feel the same way? There are doctors who feel the same way. So don't let the material throw you. The material is not the material that the guerrillas made out of is not empowered with any type of super power. Imagine what we have to consider is not with. Somebody is wearing longer body with what is here. And what is here in other words what they feel in their heart and would they think in their mind that we need to focus on not a stupid robinhood. Because I tell you what I would rather see somebody coming up the sidewalk towards me in a Roman hood and know where they're coming from than somebody in a suit and tie or police office uniform at thick. I know where they're coming from and they stab me in the bat days. So we know the robinhood. Stand for an adjacent. When I got my first robinhood I'd have a bunch of the now when I got my first one. I didn't know what to do with it. I never had a row with before you know so I brought it home and I kept looking at it and you know and they feel very powerful in the road..
"daryl davis" Discussed on Mark Bell's Power Project
"Darryl has helped over two hundred klansmen turn in their robes and kind of turn a new leaf all by just having simple conversations with them Darryl is also a musician author and of course he writes about his interactions with KKK members. And you know some of the INS and outs of the actual organization and like I said it's it's extremely interesting His point of view on things. You know the compassion the empathy that he displays. It's unlike anything else we've ever you know we've ever seen. So we dove deep into some of his experiences with these klansmen. That are essentially his friends. Now which is a crazy thought. He did all through conversations. We also dove deep into his His music career. You know. He's a great musician and so we got a good a good handle on. Who is biggest influences were or are and who has mentors were so some really really cool stuff and we did get his take on the Ahmad situation so again like I said this a very powerful episode. I don't WanNa take anymore guy's time so if you appreciate this episode. Please reach out to us on Instagram at Marseils Power Project INSTAGRAM ON TWITTER AT MB Power Project. And let us know what you guys think and ladies and gentlemen. Please enjoy the show with the Amazing Daryl Davis and we're going and we're good if somebody wanted some snacks and they didn't want all the carbohydrates. Where would they go? Encima KITO COOKIES. No saying they would go to and Seema like stick little nibble.
"daryl davis" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience
"He you know he he. He said some stuff on the Internet before even going there and praise Hitler and so forth and so on you know the these are things that we have to be very much aware of and which is why today You know I I'm helping a an organization as an advisor. In fact we're putting on a festival of ideas This year in June. And we've already got ALC- Cornell Weston temple bill an and several other people Who have already committed to doing this festival of ideas to de radicalize the Internet and and there's a there's a new internet platform has been around for over almost two years as already gotten two million members? Call Mines minds like your mind. I've had the guy who created bill. Yeah yeah fantastic guy fantastic. He and other CO founder This thing and they brought me on as an adviser and we're GONNA put on this festival Bringing in some formers on now now the head of the of the NSM ZIM is a very good friend of mine and what does the NSM a national socialist movement the not yet slowly convert those guys as well. He's out Maui. Yeah Yeah because of you know I. I was a contributor j but he saw the light and he's he's a good guy and he's helping to to get others out. You have an amazing ability to forgive people that other folks would write off for life. Other people would think that those people were horrific monsters that aren't worthy of salvation. Don't get me wrong. There are some of those people. There are some horrific monsters on all sides. Who who some of whom will go to their grave being hateful violent and racist or anti Semitic there is no changing them whatsoever? But but I can tell you this if somebody of that of that attitude or that belief you know. They're they're in your here on the spectrum at opposite ends if they're we're willing to sit down and have a conversation no matter how extreme they may be there is the opportunity to plant seed but the important thing is anybody can plant a seed but the follow up with what's important. You have to nurture that seed you must water it. I saw it grows and you you know when you have nothing in common but if you spend five minutes with your worst enemy you will find something in common you will find something Ryan Common. And then you began nurturing those commonalities. Yeah Okay and your and your your closing that gap. So now you're about right here so now you you have formed a relationship you've from here to a relationship and now you began nurturing that relationship you're closing it in and when you get about to hear you found a lot of commonalities and now you've made a friendship all right and when you get there the trivial things that you have in contrast asked such as the color of your skin or whether you go to a church a temple. A mosque or synagogue began to matter less and less. If you begin to see that you know I and I'll be honest the most important thing that you have in any endeavour is your credibility your credibility You only have one opportunity to make especially in in this kind of thing to make a good first impression you may you may have a second or third opportunity to to To impress somebody but you. I only have one opportunity to make a good first impression and most people would judge you by their first impression of you so when I would meet these people I'm as transparent transparent as I can be. I'm honest a lot of them. I let them know where I stand but I'm willing to listen to them. I want to hear why I'm saying enlighten me. Teach me why why I should believe the way you believe in see things. I'm here to learn from you. How did you start the conversation with this National Socialist Movement Guy Savoy the same way? And what was the conversation like with him. Well he believes he believed at the time in the ideology of Adolf Hitler. You know the master race. How was this guy when you met him I met him in two thousand sixteen. He he he just left Last year and he'd been the commander for Laura twenty-seven years that's an amazing gift like the ability to just slowly talk to these people and talk some sense sense into them and the fact that you're willing to spend the time to do that. That is we have to do that. We have to do that. I mean what do we have would. Otherwise we're GONNA self destruct now I will say you know Joe I have been between travel with my parents as a child in the foreign service and today as a professional musician playing all over this country and around the world when you can bind those travels together I have been in a total of fifty seven different from countries on six continents. So I've been from you know three years old all the way to you. I'll be sixty two in March I've been expose all my life. To a wide variety of religions cultures traditions ethnicities from all over. And no matter how far I've gone from the United I states no matter how many people have met I can conclude at the end of the day we all human beings we may practice different. Things have have different cultures different beliefs. We all human beings and one of my very favorite quotes of all time is by Mark Twain. And it's call the travel quote and Mark Twain said travel is fatal to prejudice bigotry and narrow mindedness and many of our people needed solely on these accounts. Broad wholesome charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth. All all wins lifetime and that is so true perhaps if I had not done that travelling and been exposed and things. Would I be doing this today. Maybe not God but I think the future of this are things like like what Bill Ackman is put together this minds dot com People should check it out. MAYES DOT com the oil to blow to change DOT MINES DOT com. They can follow me there at Darul. It was Where is a platform for free speech? Free Free speech and we can come and express your ideas not be You know kicked off from stuff you know there's GonNa be protocol where You have to be able to threaten people and cause them harm and things like that. But you allow people with some of these toxic ideologies to come on and sure mind and then the engaged and we engage them and talk. If you'll be about about politics have you could be about technology. Whatever have you had luck talking to people just directly online because my my perspective is that one of the things that makes this work is that you're very personable and that you're you're just you being around you? You're very nice guy to be around. That probably helped them get closer to you and to appreciate you. That's who I'm talking about because you know if if for example I don't meet somebody one time. And that's you know they're stripping themselves of their Robin Hood. Okay take repeat. Visits in person is is what I'm saying like talking to people online. It's very difficult to get through the people it is but people have watched Or seen things online about me and then have emailed me lattanzio emails people in the clamped Nazi movements. Or whatever you know I appreciate what you said You you you gave this person a fair shake. I wasn't really expecting that from a black person or something like that And it wasn't that I was kissing up somebody no I'm going to be fair and be transparent and because of my credibility that affords me a second visit with them and a third if they didn't like me their first impression on me was pass pass and I say next week. Now I'm done with you. The only person I've ever known or heard of that's been radically converted. Just online was Meghan Phelps Phelps Dino. She isn't sure. Sure I know I I never met Megan. I had conversations with Rachel. Who's crazy is Rachel? Chill the mom or one of the sisters Megan sister. Yeah Megan's very very nice person hard to believe that she was ever locked into the Westboro. Baptist this church and her husband. Her now. Husband actually converted her by talking to her on twitter. Maltese might be the greatest thing that's ever been accomplished on twitter. So do you. You do participate in other social media platforms like facebook or instagram. or any of that. Or do you just use mines. And I'M GONNA focus on minds I think mine's has the best platform Again like I said it's transparent anybody's welcome two million members. Now I think a growing and you know FACEBOOK will kick you offer. Certain things minds does not do that. I mean you know. They won't allow you to threaten. Somebody's somebody that does minds have the same sort of algorithm that directs things towards you that you're interested in that could facilitate people getting upset facebook. Does that yeah and it turns out that most of what people are interested in is. What upsets them? Yeah Yeah No. They don't operate like that I think it's worth anybody to check Out and people get frustrated. I'm getting off facebook because I hate all this arguing starts on and you know you can come here and talk to some. Listen listen people have a hard time getting together for Thanksgiving because of our current political climate where somebody voted for our current president and some other family member did not both that person right People should be able to families should be able to talk about and respect the fact that your brother or sister voted for for our president president. You didn't actually fine. Let's let's discuss it. What impressed you about him? What didn't impress you? Why did you vote for him and do with civil discourse we have lost the art of civil discourse and minds is gonNA restore that? But that's what we're working on the. That's I'm glad you said that that's one thing that I've learned how to do by doing this. PODCASTS learn how to talk to people better learn how to really listen to people and be when I first started this podcast. Ten years ago. I wasn't very good at it. You know it didn't really have any experience doing it. Mostly what I was doing was me talking. I was doing stand up comedy. I was talking to my friends. That's the civil. Social civil discourse like being able to sit down with people and calm each other down and talk and have compassion genuine compassion for each other and just listen to each other is one of the lost arts in human interaction. Because you know what it's because we see only what the person did we. Don't you know in terms of who they voted for or what they believe in what they did. You know Will they joined. We don't see what led them to that and because we don't talk to them right you know when you know. We're we're only interested in interested in the result. Let's go back to Roger Kelly Black people are criminals. Why wh why are they criminals? Well how do you say that well because Darrow. You know there are more blacks in prison than there are whites. He sees the result. Not saying what led up to that right. So that's that's where where we loons. Well it's also it's very difficult for for people to actually have conversations like most people are committing to text messages and emails and occasionally phone calls. That's that's how they interact with each other and then you go out to dinner a dinner at a restaurant. You'll see people sitting across me phones. I mean it's It's one of the worst times for interaction face to face I mean. Ah I've never seen a pie. Chart on the difference between the way human beings talked but there is no question that the amount of people per capita that communicate through through electronic versus.
"daryl davis" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience
"Thing He did a smart thing. You did a good thing. He didn't handed down he he shut down. Wow Yeah You know. Did he convince the other people in the clan or they have the choice to do whatever they want to do. A lot of them left a lot of them. Left as well Then there were those who try to keep it going but you know but failed. Did he use you as an example. and He's speaking to them. They they knew why he did it He receives some hate mail. He began receiving some eight mail from from some of his own members. Anonymously the same kind of hate mail that went on he would send endow people anonymous without him. You know You're in bed with Daryl Davis you're a nigger lover all that kind of stuff unsigned the the same stuff that he would put out to other people And so he. He began seeing himself in the mirror. And then so that was that was very crucial And I repeated this process many times with different people do what what is the process. Do you like when you talking about like the Charles Mary. Stuff the bell curve stuff. How do you refute that? What are you saying to him? I'm saying him. Look Mr Murray. I WanNa prove something you find something that fits your narrative. Yes you can find some some black person who has a very low IQ. Okay if if I'M GONNA if if I worked for Ford and I want and I wanNA prove that my car is better than Chevrolet that I'm GonNa find a Chevrolet that doesn't that doesn't run one very well You know I'm I'm GonNa do it that way so I I refused it Mr Murray's and and his His partner two guys who wrote the book Are there their documentation. And I'll and see they. They they go by things that they can see and understand. I'm going to give you an example of something that's going to help you understand. The cyclops was riding around in my car. One day with me. He sitting sitting in my passenger seat right. And we're driving. I'm driving along. And Somehow we got on the topic of of black crime and he made a statement he said. Well you know we all know They say that again that they authority say that that black people have a gene in them. That makes them violent and I'd heard that before from other people that that's one of their narratives and You know the wild black savage kind of thing and What are you talking about? He says well who's doing all the drive-bys and carjackings and south seas he was referring to Southeast Washington in DC which is a predominantly black area. Some whites live there predominantly black very high crime ridden. I said okay. It's black people I said but that's what lives there. Who's doing all the crime and Bangor Maine White people? Because that's what lives there where I said you know. You're not even considering the demographics who's like no no no. No you have this gene Blah Blah Blah. So you know he's GonNa shut me down and I said look here I said look. I'm as black as anybody you know. I said I have never done a drive-by live by I've never gonNA carjacking. How do you explain that? This man did not wait one second. He answered me like that he said did you. Genus Layton. Hasn't come out yet. How you argue with somebody? Who's that far and feel right? I mean you can't even bite into that you on it right so I'm dumbfounded and I'm speechless driving on he's over here all smuggling see nothing to say as well I thought about it and I said you know they say I use his authority. I said they say that all white people have a gene that makes them serial killer is that how do you figure that name me. Three black serial killers. He couldn't do it. I so here I'm GonNa give you one. I named one for him. I said I just named me to. He couldn't do it. I said Charles Manson Jeffrey Dahmer Henry. Lee Lucas John Wayne Gracie Albert Albert desalvo's the Boston Strangler. Ted Bundy David Berkowitz on a Sam Ed gain egging right. It gained his crazy machine as a skin. People okay I said son. They're all white. You're a serial killer Layton and he said well I've never killed anybody. I said you're hasn't come out yet to go. He goes well. That's stupid. I said well I said you're right. It is stupid I said but it's no more of me to say that about you. Then what you said about me. And he got very quiet. But I mean you could almost see Joe Wilson and He's thinking about it and then he changed the subject but within four five months he left the Klan. Wow based on that conversation. Why his robe was afraid? I robot forgot why he came to give you the road but he said he's nation with your I I he said he He didn't come to the rope. He's he called me and And he is going to be up in that area. And he and he said you want you want to get together other. I got together with him and he wanted to go to the courthouse for something he'd been probably would go pick up something the courthouse so I gave them a ride over there and he told me he was. He was going to quit the Klan. You know and he he thought a lot about what I'd said and I said what are you GonNa do with your stuff sit trash I said I said don't don't don't trash. I said. Give it to me. He says you want you want my robe all my stuff and I said yeah he goes. Why why would you want that? I didn't know why between told me to stick it. They'll take it And I said I don't know I'm going to do with the Bussey I said. Yeah I wanted so. We went back to his apartment government. Now I'd never been in his apartment. I've met him outside outside in the driveway. Whatever a parking lot and come on in and so I'm walking up the stairs with them to the department? I'm thinking you know hop getting set up here you know but I walked on in fiance was sitting on the couch. Clans woman not seen her before four and sat down with her and he went down the hall to his room and he came back when we came back he got a hefty trash bag. Went back there again and came back with this trash bag. All loaded up had his robe is hood clan belt Buckle Clam Belco got plan tie clips all kinds of stuff man and and His certificate of membership On stuff in the bat and gave it to me and I said Okay thank you you know now and I. I didn't know why I wanted it. I just knew I should have it First of all is history. Okay and you don't destroy history. The good the bad the ugly and the shameful still American history and the KKK upset. It'd be four is as American as Baseball Apple Pie and Chevrolet away. Shameful part of our history is our history nonetheless now. I know what I'm doing this stuff. I I got my five a one C three. I'm going to have a museum Wedneday all the stuff in there. Why what's a five three so miss you tax-exempt Yeah Hey K. K. Conversion Museum? Yeah yeah pictures of you with the the dudes right next to their robe and most of them most of them I do and so I began collecting all this kind of stuff This this is here in this one. This is a grand dragon robe. Green is assigned for the Grand Dragon and and Confederate flags here. You know plan patches. Who's that who gave you that? This Guy Bob White Robert White Robert White used to be the grand dragon in Maryland for another clan group which was a rival to Roger. Kelly's group all right When I when I first heard about white I was in my late teens and He heard heard about it on the news. He had been busted arrested and put in jail for conspiring to bomb a synagogue in Baltimore Upon Liberty Road. The Liberty Rose Synagogue and he was convicted. He went to prison for four years. This is before I started writing the book all the time so I remember him and then he got out after doing his time continued to clan. And there's years later he got busted again assault with intent to murder two black men with a shotgun right now understand something as a plan leader. You don't make make any money or not embezzling money from the dunes and a lot of people do that. That's what causes these splinter groups If you're a leader like a wizard the dragon you make you like a small stipend out of the news but not enough to pay your rent and put food on your table so you have to have a regular the job you know. cyclops Wizard Dragon. Whatever is all just titles like boy scout leader? You have to have a regular job to pay your rent and mortgage this man's regular job when he was doing all this nonsense bombing places and stuff Baltimore City Police officer this. This is police officer uniform. Okay yeah he was not an undercover cop in the clan gathering intelligence. WHO's a bonafide clansman on the Baltimore? City police force. Okay and they're more they're more okay But he went on. This guy was vehemently vehemently anti Semitic and racist and very very violent but he went on to become one of my best friends and and He gave me his Klan Robe gave me a police uniform. I do a lot of lecturing all over the country and stuff the quit the police force. He was forced to quit the police force or be fired. The Police Force Baltimore Police Force. I mean even just last year they they had a consent decree from the Department of Justice against them. They are very racist and very corrupt What they would do is they would turn a blind eye to the clansman on the force because you know a- As a police officer you're not allowed to belong to any subversive groups all right? Turn a blind eye as long as guys would not bring unwanted attention to the to the department and I just keep keep your stuff. You know whatever well you know he he he would into getting busted for planning a bomb near synagogues and finally shop. Any other kind of stuff at black people So they you know. Hey you know you gotta you gotta you gotTa retire. Uh We put off the force at your causing us too much publicity. This is before he left the clan. Yeah so what did he do after he did that. Well Uh get another job job. He began dealing in a homing pigeons. TEGAS dude people can take euless way to transmit information. It's perfect for some in something like the clan. You have to work and I and I'll tell you something though Not all of them. That probably not most of them but some of the of the hardest working people that I've ever seen in my life have been in the plan. I'm serious I mean working hard to make a living and support their families. It's there a universal factor. Like when you talk about how they got involved in the neighborhood. Is it people that they knew they are family. Well let me let me give you an example. Why people join the plan? Their different reasons In some cases is my grandfather was in the clan. My Daddy was in the plan. So I'm in the plan and my kids are GonNa be in the land. It's a family tradition right past down And when you dealing with somebody with with that kind of time you know that generational thing it may take a little longer for them to come out because it's hard hard to break family tradition right Another reason why people join take depress town like a coal mining town and in West Virginia where Scranton Pennsylvania something like that where people who are not racist They they're hard workers. They did coal all their lives. Chiefs Grandfather Dutko Father Dutko now. You don't go decode after high school. So all you know if I were to hand one of those people the vacuum cleaner say vacuum. This rug they wouldn't know how to do it. All we know is digging coal. And they're happy. They're making their paycheck. They're feeling their family paying their rent. Whatever you know? They're not concerned about people's caller. They're happy but then the company gets greedy and decides. Hey you know what we can save money. Make a lot more money if we layoff our our our our employees and hire some of these these immigrants whether they're legal or illegal because they'll work for for less than half of what we're paying our people right and so they lay off these people and hire these people who just came over to the country looking for work and they pay them next to nothing so now these white people who would never racist Or out of a job. The bank is GonNa foreclose on their trailer or their house or whatever The food on their table the clan CICI's things and the clan will come into a depressed down like that and hold a rally and say the blacks have the N..
"daryl davis" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience
"Let me tell you about this guy. Darrelle Davis is musician Plays all kinds of music piano. He Plays Country Rock and Roll Blues. Brilliant Musician Shen and he also has converted racists he has converted KKK members. Now it's up to around two hundred toward two hundred racist and even Nazis have given up their this ideology toxic thing that they were doing because of this man's work and the story is incredibly inspiring. I don't WanNa say anymore. I just want you to listen to it. One of my favorite podcasts. In a long time please welcome. Daryl Davis the Joe Rogan experience. podcast Hey Jim hey how you doing my pleasure. Thank you for being here really appreciate it. Thank you I read your story. I saw a thing about you on. NPR and and Is Crazy you've converted. How many people two hundred KKK members? You've got them to drop the robes. Some directly indirectly is. How did that happen happen? Wow I keep winning into these guys I mean I'm a musician by trade right blue rock and roll Blues Blues Swing Jazz degrees in Jazz. But Hey I'll I'll play whatever you want me to play and you're paying on playing so everybody likes music even the KKK. So use that to to my advantage. I was playing in a bar. One night in Frederick Maryland a non white bar and when I say white I don't mean that blacks couldn't go in when I mean is that blacks chose not to go in. They weren't welcome and here. I wasn't this bar this country aband- a friend of mine span. I was only black guy in the band. Only black guy in the bar and upon finishing the first set this. I'm walking to the to the ban table and somebody came up and put their arm around my shoulder to see who it was way. Gentlemen Maybe fifteen years older than me and he says yeah. Yeah I really enjoy your music. I said thank you. And and he pointed at the stage and said you know. I've seen this ban before by never seen you before. Would you come from. Yeah you know. They they played here before. But this is my first time in this place. I just joined the band and he said man. I really like your piano plan. This is the first first time I ever heard a black man play piano like Jerry. Lee Lewis and I wasn't I wasn't offended but I was rather surprised. Surprised because as I say guys like maybe fifteen years older than me and he didn't he did not know the black origin of Joyti. There was a style of Pinot plan. I explained it to him. I got it from the same place. Jerry Lee did from Black Blues and Boogie. woogie piano players where the guy was incredulous are not Nigeria invented. That I never heard no black men play like that. If you something okay with this guy never heard of little Richard or fats domino and I look man I know Jerry. Lewis is a friend of mine. He's told me himself with another play. The Guy that I buy that Jerry Lee him by the jury leader anything from black people but he was so fascinated that he wanted to buy me a drink a novelty to him so that was table had a cranberry juice and then he announces this. This is the first time I was sat down. Had A drink with the black man and now I'm I'm the one who's incredulously. How can that be you know? I've sat down with thousands thousands of white people. Anybody else had a meal a beverage conversation. How's it this guy had never done that and innocently I asked him? I said why hit hit an answer me at first. He stared down at the table. Top and I asked him again and his buddies sitting next to him elbowed him in the side. I said tell him tell him tell him awesome. Awesome tell me mystery planners day and he says I'm a member of the ku-klux-klan well I burst out laughing. It was getting weirder by the second. Yeah and I knew a lot about the plan. I had been studying racism since I was a ten year old kid because of an incident. That happened to me back. Then I bought both on black supremacy white supremacy the KKK the Nazis neo-nazis his Trip to try to understand this mentality and I knew clansman would not come up and just throw his arm around some black guy shoulder and praises talent and want to hang out with him by my drink so this guy's jerking me around some laughing and he goes inside his pocket and put his wallet and Producers Klan Membership Card. They have cards. Oh Yeah Yeah. He gave me his card. I looked at it. And I recognize the Klan insignia which is a red red circle with a white cross and a red blood drop in the center of the Cross and I was oh man the sense for real so I stopped writing. It wasn't fun on anymore and I gave it back to him and we chatted about the clan and different things but the dude gave me his phone number and wanted me to call him the whatever I was to return to this bar so he could bring his friends. Meaning clansman Atlanta's women to see this black guy player Julie. I'm not sure. He called me black-eyed to his friends. But I call you so I will call him every six weeks on a Wednesday or Thursday. Hey man you know. We're down at the Daughter Friday and Saturday coming out. He come up both nights he bring clansman and class women and they come and gather around the bandstand and and watch me for the piano or get out there and dance to our music. Now you know they didn't come in robes and hoods right they came in three close and On the breakout Goethe's table. Say hello some of them are very curious. They'd hang out there and WanNa meet me talk to me others would be coming and get up and take off and go stands by the part of the room where it's like. I just WanNa see you. I don't want to deal with you kind of So that was fine and I decided later on and I would write a book because I've been looking for an answer to a question that I had formed when I was aged ten. My question was how can you hate me when you don't even know me. And this was a result of having marched in a cub scout parade at the the age of ten being the only black scout in this up parade and while most people on the streets and sidewalks which hearing us we we were watching from Lexington to Concord Massachusetts to commemorate the writer. Paul Revere and people were waving flags and yelling and screaming. The British are coming and all the time except for one small pocket of people who were throwing rocks and bottles at me and at age. Ten My first thought was. Oh those people over there. Don't like the scouts. That's how naive I was. It wasn't until my den mother. My master my troop leader all came rushing over and huddled over me with their bodies these white people and escorted me out of the danger. But I realized I was only target because nobody nobody else was giving this protection and these were adults or these other children were a maybe about five people. I'm a couple of kids. Maybe my age a year older and some adults adults were throwing rocks and bottles at a ten year old boy. That's correct. Wow and I I I kept saying to my my scout leaders. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything because now I'm trying to find out. What did I do right? You know why they're doing this to me Eh right and it keeps shushing me telling me to move along. It'd be okay so that never answered. The question is why this is happening when I got home that day. After for this parade my mother and father who were not there were putting mature chrome and bandaids on me and ask me how that fall down and get all scraped up I. If I didn't fall down I told them exactly what had happened for the first time in my life my mom and dad sat me down and explain to me Eh. What racism was at the age of ten? I had never heard the term racism now. What year was nineteen sixty eight I'll tell you why because my dad was a US foreign service so we spend a lot of time overseas every two years. Here's you go to a country. You're there for two years. Come back home for a few months and they get reassigned another country so when I was overseas uh-huh elementary school. My classes were filled with kids from all over the world. Anybody who had an embassy in those countries all of US embassy kids would have the same school. My class was full of kids from Nigeria Italy France Germany Japan Russia. You name it If you were to open the door to my classroom stick your head in you say this United Nations a little kids because that's exactly what it was and we all got along then. I would come home after that two year assignment and I would be in either all black schools or all white schools. I'm sorry all black or all black and white schools meaning meaning the still segregated or the newly integrated schools and there was not the amount of diversity in my classroom that I had overseas today. You walk into a classroom mm-hmm you know you can't tell from from all over so literally Between nine hundred sixty one and like nineteen sixty eight seventy. I was wondering about twelve years into the future when I was living overseas. Because that multicultural scene had yet to come to this country and when it did of course I was already prepared unfortunately many of my peers. We're not so I didn't experience. Racism had I live here. My you know my whole life I might have had a different perspective and not taking this path So I was very curious about and fascinated with it. How can somebody hit you? And you don't even know you it was just beyond my comprehension and I knew something was wrong because the people who did this to me did not look any different than my little French friends my Swedish friends or my fellow Americans from the embassy or for that matter my I fellow Americans right there at the school where I went where we did the march so I knew it wasn't a color thing in fact when my parents told told me this I did not believe my parents I thought for some reason my parents aligned to me because my ten year old brain could not process the idea that as someone who had never seen me had never spoken to me knew nothing about me would want to inflict pain upon me for no other reason than the color of my skin so oh I do not believe them well a month and a half later that same year nineteen sixty eight on April the fourth Martin Luther King was assassinated committed and I remember it very well We were in Massachusetts Saint Louis and a nearby Boston Washington. DC my hometown Chicago Illinois Philadelphia. Detroit Baltimore which Mun. La All burned to the ground with violence and destruction option. All in the name of this new word I had learned call racism and so then I realized my parents are told me the truth this this phenomenon on call. Racism does exist. But why I don't understand why okay so it's here but why and so. That's what I formed that question. How view hate me? We don't even know me and so I've been looking for the answer to that question now for fifty one years I'm sixty one years old so.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Amanpour
"Featured in a new documentary called accidental courtesy and about his book clandestine relationships Daryl Davis you've been a man who has reached out to members of the KKK KKK. For the past thirty years. Why will you know they're part of America just as well as as I am as much a part American as baseball Apple Pie and Chevrolet? And they've been around since eighteen sixty five. It's about one hundred and fifty years why they're still here in the twenty first century this needs to be addressed. We need to come together in a we are to divide it right now and as we volved we cannot afford to become more and more divided as our country becomes more and more diverse. So what do you do with them. When you meet someone on from the clan we have a conversation we have civil discourse? I'm here to hear what their concerns are with. Their fears are what myths have set them off and hopefully to dispel. Some of those fears. Is your goal to try to get them to leave the clan. You know my my goal was was was never to convert them. A lot of the media says Black Musician converts x number of clansman. I never converted one but over. Two hundred have left that the white supremacy movements. Because I have been the impetus for that I give them information. They think about the process and they come to their own decision to change my way of thinking here. So I've been responsible for that. Yes but I don't want to say that. I converted them. They converted themselves. I'm just the conduit to lead them in that direction. This all started what country bar thirty actors after Music Gig playing the piano and then I joined a country band and I was only black guy in the band and usually the only black person where we would play and this particular bar was known as an all white bar not meeting that blacks could not matt go in but did not go in by their own choice and it was a good choice because they were not welcome and I came off the bandstand with the band and and I was following them to the table on a break and I felt somebody put their around. My shoulder and gentleman said to me man. I sure like Europeana plan. This is the first time I heard a black man play piano like Jerry Lewis. Now I was kind of taken aback without offended but I was surprised because this sky was fifteen eighteen years older than me and he didn't know the black origin of Jerry. Lee Lewis Tilapia playing. And I said well. What do you think Julia Louis? Learn how to play. She says what are you talking about. I said he learned from the simple as I did from Black Blues and Boogie. woogie piano players that's where rockabilly and rock and roll. Okay from all black men. Play like that if you know Jerry Lee Lewis. He's a good friend of mine. He's told me himself where he learned how to play the guy. Oh I didn't buy that. I knew Jerry Lee him by the jury learning from black people but it was fascinated and went to buy me a drink now went back to his table. I had a cranberry juice eighteen glass and clinks glass and he cheers me and he says you know. This is the first time I sat down with the black man now. He's he's making some kind of proclamation. This guy I was in total disbelief. I said why I didn't answer me. I asked him began. Dan Tell them tell them. Tell them I said tell me he wants me he said I'm a member of the Ku Klux Klan. I burst out laughing often because I did not believe them. I got joking man. 'cause I know a lot about the plan they'll come around. Put their arm around your shoulder. WanNa buy you a drink and hang out with you if you're black an an out so I'm laughing at him along with this joke. He goes inside his pocket pulls out his wallet and gave me His clan. Membership Card Allahdad. ooh This is for real. You know stop laughing and I gave it back to him and we talked about the plan things but that was the start of Mike West. I'd had a racist experience as a child at age. Ten which people had thrown rocks at me and bottles. I didn't understand it always was because of the taller my skin. Nothing I had done nothing I had said and so I had formed that question in my mind. How can you hate me? We don't even know. Oh me and I've been looking for the answer and so after meeting this guy. It didn't dawn on me that night but later. Donny Daryl the answer it's a fell right into your lap. WHO Better to ask that question of than someone who would go so far as the join an organization and that has over one hundred year history of practicing hating people who do not look like them who do not believe as they believe? Go back to that Guy Guy and and get the answer to you went back. You know he'd give me his number and stuff and I went back. I went back to him and I said you know what I'm GonNa go around around the country and interview members leaders and ask that question. Write a book on it. You also go out of your way to say that after these conversations conversations you are their friend. That's right even if they might not be yours. That's right. Why why put them into that category? Because I try to illicit I said the good and everybody at the end of the day we all human beings and I prove that I'm their friend. They don't have anything to fear from me now now and they realized that later on which is why at the end when they find it. Come to that conclusion even leaders as well as you know. Rank and file members numbers all the way to the top grant. Dragons which are state leaders imperial wizards which are national leaders ended up giving me their robes and hoods this this is a clan hood from an imperial wizard as the hood. That's the mask members anonymity they wear this mask and people through these islets if they don't care that their identity is exposed the masses attached by three snaps just detach it in the faces. Exposed goes under the hood and here is the corresponding a robe. This is the robe of an imperial wizard. Seeing seeing that is going to draw some viewers to possibly turn the interview off. It's going to trigger them a sense of fear a sense of sadness hatred. Lots of things are rolled up just in that time. See that's what we we need to overcome. This is nothing but a piece. Uh of material yes. It invokes fear because we allow ourselves to be afraid of this piece of material there or people who wear a shirt and tie a suit a uniform with a badge. Done judge's Robe Hawaiian shirt and Bermuda shorts us who feel the exact same way as somebody wearing this robin hood earliest. I know exactly where that person's decisely. I've been doing this for thirty years. And I've seen them in their regular street clothes. And then I've seen them dawn their robes and hoods and all of a sudden they feel powerful. Okay it's like a I can't mild mannered reporter becomes Superman all right. I've seen that transformation because racism itself doesn't pay the bills precisely. They have to have steady jobs right there. Members of our society and guess what they are teachers they. They're on the school board. They work at the grocery store or some of them are even on the police department. I have a former Baltimore city. Police officer's uniform and his robinhood he was the Grand Dragon. Ah which means state leader. His Day job paid his bills was a Baltimore city. Police officer not an undercover over officer in the clan gathering intelligence but a bonafide clansman on the Baltimore City Police Force and they're and they're more. Okay now he went onto become my best friend. One of my best friends had today. I own his Robin Hood and his police uniform. He gave up that ideology geology. And it's a result of civil discourse talking with one another given to know one another getting that exposure. You know you don't have have in the film about you. It shows a scene for example when you talk to different types of groups. ESPN the southern poverty. Law Center the individual there. Because you know our goal is to wipe out out groups like this and I'm sure you've heard this critique from other members of the civil rights community what you're doing isn't really helping us you know what this person person says to you and their process of befriending you over time. Well that's not destroying this group. That's not destroying the ideology. That's not taking the hate out of the system. That's not taking the injustice out of the the system is this a great use of your time is absolutely a great use of my time and you know what the SP L. C.. Does is the. Yeah the the man said he wanted to destroy the clan. I'm not to destroy individuals. I like to see them. Destroy their own the ideology which is what this guy when he gave up that road. When you seek to destroy somebody all you do is empower them because they feel like you see you? They they they. They don't want us to have our rights to feel the way we wanna feel and they they get more and more emboldened and more and more empowered. Now now if they crossed the line right and do something wrong you absolutely take him to court and you sue them you put them in jail. You punish them but you don't destroy the person these are my fellow. Americans is my fellow human beings. I want them to see something and come to the realization. Hey you know what. This is a better path for me and I'm going to help get other people out of there. I have a lot of neo Nazis Former Neo Nazis and kick AKA members an outright members who come out with me sometimes and speak out against the former organization musician and work hard to pull others out and prevent others from joining. There's also seen in the film a very tense when it starts a conversation with young black lives matters leaders in Baltimore and they gets heated very quickly so stop wasting your time going into people's houses that don't love you a house. They want to throw you under the basement so you believe that nobody can change. I believe you will leave the wrong people can change and I know the conversation lasted an hour in real life but in these eight minutes you can see the tension it's palpable and they're saying you know what while you were out doing this over your thirty years befriending a few dozen people and getting their robes we are are here suffering the injustices that are why. Why aren't you doing that for this city? Why aren't you spending your time in this way where you could be making a real impact on the lives? Lives of all of these people that you want to. If I were to open up a magazine or go on the Internet and see a picture of a black man shaking hands with a man and a Robin Hood but you see tons of pictures of me on the Internet like that. I would have a visceral reaction. What's going on here sold out? Yeah Ah but knowing me I would want to read the back story to find out. Why is this taking place?.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Amanpour
"Now the US. Of course. This isn't the only country with one issue caused a huge shadow of over an election here in the UK. Party leaders have been frantically canvassing for votes on the last day of campaigning. For the general election tomorrow where Brexit is top of the agenda with other issues like climate and Britain's National Health Service not too far behind by Friday today the country will have elected a government led by prime minister. Boris Johnson's Conservative Party. All one led by the main opposition. Labor Party headed by Jeremy Corbyn or possibly another the hung parliament both of the main parties of branding. This vote is the most important in a generation and with just hours to go until the polls open. Things are getting tight joining me now. Is Jeremy on the former health secretary and former foreign secretary. Welcome back to our program. Good Evening Christiane. Gosh there's so much changed in your life and career in politics. Since we last spoke spoke foreign secretary in fact you were also challenging. Boris Johnson for the Party leadership. And you most definitely not on his side then you did not believe in Brexit. You're a remain a- where are we today. Who's going to win? Well actually just to correct you on that last point I did vote remaining but but I've always thought we have to implement the referendum results so I was in a very very much on his side in terms of believing were to get on with Brexit. But turn this is a moment. I can't remember a moment of such an enormous choice for the country because normally in election. It'll be a little shay to the left and Middle Shay to the right but this time you have the conservatives under Boris Johnson who will deliver brexit if we get the majority put that issue to bed and move on with a with a centre-right agenda. Then you have a radically different alternative Tiv- with Jeremy Corbyn the most left wing manifesto that we've had in my lifetime wholesale nationalization of private companies utility companies the rail companies. And so on. And that's why I think this is going to be an interesting election. Photon out because despite the horrible weather despite a winter I think people do feel feel. There's a lot of state. There certainly is a lot of steak. Many people are saying though feel a little down there down costs that they are voting against rather than four. I I just want to take a couple of the things you mentioned of. He'll party slogan has been get Brexit. Dumb you've just said Boris Johnson with a majority if he gets that will deliver brexit other to slightly semantically different. It's one thing to have a majority and vote through the House of Commons. That might happen. And but getting brexit done. And that's a that's just the beginning of trying to get breaks it down right because the rest is trying to create a new relationship with with Europe and with all the other countries that is not the end point this election. Well I don't accept this argument that we won't substandard be able up to get brexit down because if we pass through the deal that boss chances negotiated we will legally leave the European Union by at the end of January so brexit will have been delivered the trade deal. Of course. It's going to take a bit longer to do. But we know the outline of that because as we've seen it in the political declaration that's been made and we've had indications from the either they think the bare bones of a trade deal could be delivered by the end of next year so I think that is to come but I think we know the shape of it and I think the key point is that people vote to leave by the end of January. Legally we would have laughed it again. Yes you left but actually getting brexit Dan and Britain's you know all all it's organizations and trade and associations is going to take a lot long recordings from other people including the possibility that if things don't happen to your satisfaction they could be another off the cliff no deal situation at the end of twenty twenty which I think people just hope that this won't happen but I guess to that end. What do you make them as former foreign secretary of a senior three decade stay career? Foreign Service official writing a very tough letter of resignation. Alexandra Hall in the US Embassy saying that she could not in conscience. Continue basically peddling distortions and untruths about what Brexit is about about what relations might be. I mean this pretty tough I think breaks. It does arouse very strong. Passions on both sides of. She said that the government she was having to pedal pedal distortions by the government. I don't agree with that. And I was foreign secretary and I was responsible for all our diplomats and we would have very frank in discussions but I think that as foreign secretary we have. I ever said that this is going to be an incredibly smooth and easy process but I I understand how some people who are passionately against Brexit. Feel very uncomfortable representing a government that is committed to delivering brexit. But but I think the debate about half cruise has been distorted. I think because in the referendum campaign there were exaggerations nations but there were exaggerations on both sides we have the three hundred and fifty million pounds on the side of the bus on the one side but we also had the project fear and all the stories about about an emergency budget house prices crashing was. But I what I'm saying is I think when you step back and look at it. Objectively as you can as a journalist journalists you can see that kind of distortions that you get in any general election campaign and people knew that both sides were making those exaggerations and they made their choice your skate. So what do you say then to something. That's black and white. Boris Johnson got his got his deal by essentially selling out the unions in in Northern Ireland. Island right I mean. He just did something that Prime Minister May said. No British Prime Minister could do and that is created a separation between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. And now we've got this back-and-forth enforce again these papers and recordings where he's basically saying that they won't have to be any immune cheese or tariffs you know on on on on on goods going to and from we're just going to play this little soundbite because it seems really difficult to understand what he's saying. George you know perfectly well the goods going from and I will have no checks. The only let me check will be for.
"daryl davis" Discussed on Amanpour
"And welcome to employ his. What's coming up? The House continues down this destructive Rhode and sons on daughter who them Patriot senator. We'll take them up. In the New Year and proceed to a fair trial as Congress prepares to vote on impeaching Ching President Trump Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown from the swing state of Ohio joins US then tomorrow the people all across the UK. We'll go to title. They have a choice. This copy will critical. It could not be tighter on the last day of campaigning in Britain's Brexit election former foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt joins joins US plus our illicit the good and everybody at the end of the day. We all human beings. The musician who helped hundreds of Ku Klux Klan members this turn over a new leaf. Daryl Davis speaks to our hurry strain of us. Welcome to the program everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour.