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The Entrepreneurs - Eureka 196: Officina Dario Pegoretti

Monocle 24: The Entrepreneurs

11:29 min | 1 year ago

The Entrepreneurs - Eureka 196: Officina Dario Pegoretti

"You're listening to Eureka on monocle. Twenty four with me Daniel page host of the Entrepreneurs Christina verdict is the CO CEO of Alpha. Cina Dario Petty. An Italian bicycle manufacturer that bears the name of her friend. Dario petty was a renowned frame builder. Who had been crafting steelframes under his own name since nineteen ninety. Dario frames in many corners. Were considered works of art. Each one a bespoke piece made and hand painted specifically for a customer in the summer of twenty eighteen after a day of work in his studio in Verona. Dario collapsed and died at the age of sixty two and just as later Dario Apprentice of twenty years. Pietro Petra. Cola asked longtime friend Christina if she would step in and help him carry on Dario legacy their aim now is to teach the craft to the next generation and continue to push the boundaries with their creations. Something Dario would have liked as an avid collector and lover of modern art. His Free Form. Chatty style of painting is celebrated a new short film called Dream on when customers purchase a bicycle there given the option to have factory choose the paint scheme and styling which is a complete surprise until they receive their bicycle as. You'll hear the documentary also features American artists Jacob Hashimoto. Who collaborated with peg ready on a one of a kind frame? Here's Christina with the story of Offi. Cina Dario Packer Ready It'd be thing happened. Just spy at terrible combination of coincidences very dear friend of DOT and that was the managing director of Brooks England. So I was in the bicycle business but in Brooks as you know and Peter had been the right hand the best friend of daddy walk with him for over twenty years so I followed the brand in the years of that. You'll but as a friend in the same industry meeting each other in Las Vegas or at bespoke in Bristol. But it was colleagues and friends did where interchanging or exchanging opinions about the industry in the special thanks to name When dodgers suddenly past everything actually was kind of finished mostly for the people that loved him he was an incredible charismatic men and people were buying cream all allegience because daddy was a legend in this industry and the day of the funeral while we were washing our hands in the sink of this pizzeria. Peter Look at me and said. Are you still off a job since you finished with roots because Excu come in tomorrow? Can you help me because I don't speak English and I said of course come in every morning when I have time when I don't have any projects to understand that if this brand has an opportunity to demand because it wasn't clear that saw I was actually to see you have amended gave the name to a frame to Stein that was unique in the industry that was considered the artists able to make moving arts onto Wilson? And that's how they end extremely skilled in the technical parts for the people that knew about steelframes. It was one of the best steelframes frames in the woods. Then we said okay we do have the know-how we do have with Pietro the fact that we knew that the team was making those frames until the date was not only that even if he was the face of the brand but do we have a chance to tell this story and make people dream also afterwards soap to continue his invasion and to work with his ingenuity and sense of possibility. Odds OF FOR THE FUTURE WILL. The market turned back to US. This couple of months. It was when we met also known known about understanding the market if we were not giving a face to the brand anymore because there was no more face of the brand that was the team and very skilled hens in my experience in the background as a business person and brain person for another very unique brand like land and I said I do see the opportunity after two three months. We have to build based on the Fussy call. Miami-dade was to pay off of Time that is made with your Yoahan's show what we are and then led if frames and art speaker around this product but we also have to show that they are twisty doesn't stop with the men that we lost one day in the win. A dear friend of young of the workshop was the artist Jack. Revised Shimon came in. He sat down with me was here because he has a very important modern art gallery and he said I would like to do something for the future of this place because I believe you need Adam names that give the credibility that they're kissing part dozen only come from demand that is part of the team anymore but if some artists like me and some others in the future will give some pieces as an inspiration to people will stop comparing to the differently died. I didn't use this color. Doesn't didn't use the pencil this way. So the name of Jacob Harass was a starting point to say if Jacob Creates one we send a roof frame to him to New York City. He painted the one you saw in the movie and then the idea came to me to say well. We have to tell a story about people why they choose to have an individual product. We want to continue division of But we want to continue. Also this spirit that. He wasn't extremely innovative men so we don't want to look like a being the grand only because we use the classical. Mattia Rian we feel. The steel is a classic bacteria that can do things that a lot of more than materials cannot do but we want to really shoot the one still can be. Nova. Tips can be modern. Can Be Different End. It's not about what in our case a race might use. Their professionals has different needs. That it's done bespoke so elect cut for you the perfect size for you. That is one of the most important things for a bike is having really your size not of your size. But you'd be spoke size in also to presented in the style the you'll like IMOs. It is not the brand you can selling. You are buying a dream and if you're able to make people fall in love with the brand. And if that the question of divide one day sooner or later might be the first or the ten five sequel. They will call us. They will write us and it might be three years. I have communication for years with people that are asking. Wants to know everything but we never forcing. I never give up price until they say I'm ready to buy because it's not the point the frame can go from two thousand five hundred to four thousand. Euros is a framed said. It's not the point it doesn't it doesn't matter that point because they don't to even know so and that is a little bit. We want to have something that is lost. Our country they exist some brand still exists. But unfortunately and that was one of the cases he was sixty to a lot of those brands will get lost with the man. The charismatic mandate still blowing and flora very unlucky situation that we lost men patron myself out at been forced to be managers of a brand that is not our name 's demand that we all love and we have to treat it like a company that goes on pit thrice being the best friend of that the always said. If we are able to succeed my friend would never die because I keep his name alive to stay alive. Grand needs to have this auction. Sagem that comes in if you take away dead than you. Only protect passed in two three years. The brand doesn't exist anymore. It will be a very Brand where you are. The people will try to collect the original pieces from that and there will be sold end from one to the other but if you want to inspire new clients in new ride. There's that love cycling in a certain way or the St Louis Material. I think you need to show that we always said that. We all knew that Pinto was. Let's think about music. He was said how you say. Playing the piano with all the pieces of data perfection. But nobody knew if Peter could also composes his own songs and this is the only future for Brian. He needs to show that he can also be composing new pieces. We might do mistakes. It's no amount for every company every friend but we should never be criticized that we only puppet passed and protected will do you date because would hate Christina. Verdict there co-ceo of Italian bicycle manufacturer off achieve Dario peg already. My thanks to Christina Aunty Jack Jewish and Christie Evans who mixed and edited this show. I'm Daniel Beach. Thank you so much for listening and goodbye.

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01:16 min | 1 year ago

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[Unedited]  Dario Robleto with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

1:27:56 hr | 10 months ago

[Unedited] Dario Robleto with Krista Tippett

"Support for on being with Krista, Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. FETZER envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives. A powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves, others and the natural world learn more by visiting. FETZER DOT. Org. I'm KRISTA Tippett up next my unedited conversation with artist philosopher Dario Rope tow. There is a shorter produced version of this wherever you found this podcast. Ning and. Welcome back to winter. Someone someone wrote me today instead it's raining feathers. So welcome to the institute. I'm Liz Armstrong. Curator. Of Contemporary Art, and we are very pleased to be hosting the second live interview with Krista Tippett for her show and broadcast of on being. As. Many of you know Christa was here two months ago when she spoke with Hamilton and what was a fascinating and far-reaching conversation they covered everything from spiritual act of art making to the strange intimacy of museums where people can be alone together. The the this interview, and that one we're presented. In conjunction with the exhibition currently on view. In our target wing simply called sacred, which is a series of installations, the probe, the nature of the sacred within a secular multi-faith society. By, juxtaposing works of art from Multiple Times in places, the sacred exhibition invites visitors to explore historic and contemporary. Expressions of the divine, the spiritual, the essential in the beloved and to ponder the words meaning in their personal lives. I want to thank the MIA's affinity collectors, group contemporary art for their support of this program, and for helping us visits from artists such as Hamilton. Dario. And now let me just briefly introduce each of our guests. KRISTA Tippett Enduro. Christie needs little introduction on this stage. She's a peabody award winning broadcaster and New York Times bestselling author WHO's highly acclaim radio program on being fills a huge void in the public discussion of spirituality and faith. She's not afraid to. to discuss the big animating questions of human life from how do we want to live to what does it mean to be human? She and her guests explore meaning ethics and what is sacred miss the political cultural and technological turmoil that is first century life. Dario fo was houston-based artists who's known for his highly original repurposing of rare and archaic materials. Like a DJ sampling music and he just told me tonight, he was a DJ once Doria spins in shapes such unconventional materials as dinosaur fossils, meteorite remnants, hand bones, and hipbones, and pulverized vinyl from vintage records. He's been called materials poet. I think of him as a passionate alchemist who memorialize the past while finding new meaning in the tangled roots its history. He's a maker of extraordinary objects that are meditations on war, love death, spirituality, and healing. It's going to be really interesting to him talk about these objects without seeing them. But you can imagine and then you will see them So I'm really looking forward to this conversation. Please join me in welcoming Chris step and Dario. Thank you lose. It's great to be back at Minneapolis Institute of Arts. Feel like I'm an old timer now. So I welcome you. So, Dr. you grew up in San Antonio I grew up in Oklahoma. It did not snow in March where we came from. I've really been looking forward to this for several months as way I planned it. Thank you. Very much. So if I ask you a about the spiritual and religious background of your childhood, where would you start to think about what that means? San Antonio is maybe Catholic central. In America So it's It's hard not to be around that in San Antonio. My grandfather was a Baptist minister. I didn't grow up around ten so much but his is influence definitely. was there the Beckham ahead? And he was definitely a passionate passionate man. My mother. Religion in the home was not ever really an issue but as. I searched it out on my own. I'd asked my friends I could come to church. Catholic methodist I probably sample every every church. Afraid I had. And? I continually. Even at that early age was was very, very interested. So my childhood it I would say it was very self directed. maybe always within the background knowing that thing about my grandfather, there was still this mysterious thing that I didn't really understand. So, maybe it was fairly field that to the searching. So. And also it sounds like you know you you were interested in science or football player. You weren't that kid who everybody thought would grow up to be an artist or that you didn't identify zone yeah. No, it was quite a shock. There are two stories that you've told across the years that I I wondered if you would. Tell us and one of them has to do with your mother. One of them has to do with your father about how you became an artist. You talk about your mother working in a Honky Tonk in Texas for while when you were pretty young. And going with her, and it really is the whole experience being there with her taking the people taking the life in that place taking in the music of Patsy cline and others and listening to the Jukebox, and it almost feels like the jukebox was your first art object although you wouldn't have called at that originally. Yes. Credibly, influential on my life definitely leaves a mark. How old were you? Then you're pretty young right? Six, six, seven. and. Their full range of emotional experiences you would imagine honky-tonk. As. A six year old camp next to the jukebox watching plough, it really deliver mark and. And in hindsight, I can look back and realize I think those are truly my first. Artistic Aesthetic experiences. In Dot. Art was actually life in those cases rather than just a symbol of life and what I mean is listening you're having patsy Kline Soundtrack. What I'm actually witnessing in the room as she singing about, it made this one to one connection. Between the pop song or the country song or the art object and life and I think That has left a lasting impression on me which ties into science and. Maybe an unexpected way in that. I, want what I do to be metaphor and have a practical I wanted to do something to in life. And that's per partly my science thinking but also it's very much rooted not in seeing. Music. Say. Soundtrack life but it really it was really predicting even predicting what I was saying in dog it up. And then The other stories later on your father was a biologist correct and. And it was from Nicaragua and you didn't really spend that much time with him going up. But then? You've told the story about sounds like when you were making your early twenties. You're depressed. He, went to stay with him in Miami and we have the Beatles to thank your father and the Beatles to thank for you truly having this epiphany. Nor really I didn't know what an epiphany was until I had one is really. Really. It really wasn't that. Within twenty four hours I still don't know how to explain it it. Truly. Artist and then I was an artist like that and. But I didn't know the first thing about our I. Didn't know what it was crazy. Then as it sounds say today and. It was related to this experience of. What was clearly deep depression Dow when I look back. Visiting him sort of every man has to come to terms with at some point and I I guess I needed to spend time with them. And really the only thing we could communicate on wor was music and he was a huge Beatles. Fan. He pretty much learned English mini and his brothers from Beatles records I got story. Told me from from the lyrics but I don't know one day he he left accidentally left sergeant pepper playing on repeat on the CD And I was locked in my room in some. Terrible State and so for twenty four hours, I heard sergeant. Through the muffled wall. In the other room and things something just changed I don't know how to explain it. But when I came out of the room, I was an artist. and. I haven't looked back since I. Mean I know it sounds. Come exaggerating, but it really was that I really didn't know what I was doing but I was like I just know as an artist and you've said that I mean you did bring out some pastels paddock paper. First thing told them was please take me to an art store. You didn't happen to have fun I wondered about pastels on hand, and that shows you that I didn't know what it meant to be an artist so I thought pastels or. Paper I didn't I didn't even know what I needed so. That was where I started in I. I'll never forget that. Every artist has it that blank page and the fear the? GUTTURAL fear in my stomach like Oh my God anything's possible. I don't know what to do and I was drawn. I was fear scared and drawn to it the same way and I still have that feeling it never goes away I realized that now. Do. You still have whatever it was that you drew or wrote. Somewhere I'm sure I haven't looked at it in a long time probably don't want to see it anymore but. But yeah, it was it was a turning-point. So. It's interesting that both of these stories have music in them music is absolutely central to them and. There's a kinship in. You a kinship with the DJ. The DJ runs all the way through a lot of art projects you've done over the years. Yes, it's. For me to begin to talk about the sacred I have to start with music and. Nobody. I wouldn't say music was a big issue or not I didn't know how to play instrument it was. It was maybe just something instinctual. I just took it very serious and oddly I never I never learned how to play an instrument and I always I mean one of my great things I'm so envious of. Ban being in a band and I've never been in a band and I wish so much had been and could have been. Even to this day I. Since I was a little boy to this day I've kept a journal of potential bad names and song titles. Really. Just in case ever gotten a band. That, it because I couldn't play an instrument. I could contribute a great band name right away. And that's turned into its own art object over the years I found ways to finally get those things out without the music but. Yeah. Is Part of the make the science part of my brain wonders what how my wire? To lean this way. Yeah, and actually though some of your earliest sculptures were made from. Grinding Vinyl records. And that was a turning point in. My my study and passion, and DJ Culture. How do I turned out into or how do the skills in the sculptural realm and that was a really big turning point in my work as an artist. So You know I like how do you take the actual skills of the DJ? Song selection sampling scratching. beat matching just all these things that DJ would do but then how do I How do I turn it into an object and so very simply for example, the idea of mixing records together I thought well, what if I really melted them in a pot and mix them together? And what would happen? Why did I choose those two songs and? What would I turn it into and why so I found this parallel. In sculpture around to to take the skills over, and that was really big big breakthrough was. To have DJ's already handled Divino as an object as much as an audio experience. So i. just kind of took that to an extreme like what if you kept scratching record until it turned to dust? Kept, giving myself these kinds of challenges. Would you talk about the English one of your early sculptures, which is probably maybe the most autobiographical the one you did about your parents. Are Sin was in our hips. Yes That was. A piece. Dealing with. The background music can my pass but I guess to describe what it would. It looks like it's if you can Pitra Mel or pelvis the pelvic bone of a human. And I had put a male pelvis bone top female had they're just very delicately balanced on top of each other in the position of of a male laying on top of a female if you can imagine an x ray of a body. And just that part. But I made I made them out of melted vinyl records and and the MEL was made from my father's rock and roll records. Melted Vinyl records and the female pelvis has made from my mother's forty five. Record, collection rock and roll records and. It was grappling with. My mother was always fascinated with her talking about rock and roll in her youth and I was just so envious of it because. You is there. Because so much was writing on your musical selection like did actual sin fullness in the way that you moved your hips or your dancing had some charged. Of. Spiritual sinful behaviour attached to it. You know everybody knows famous. Elvis, the pelvis and and so what I'm saying is when I go into a record store, nothing's writing on my decision like sin is not at stake I'm buying a record and I wish there was because I want we're not going to go to hell because yeah. But that record yes and just like that, there was not much writing on it or did it was the rock and roll radical moment? was. A moment that maybe can't be recaptured in the next generations but I know that I am here and many of us I would argue are here because of the rock and roll. In. This. In the sense that the music had to put them in the right time and mood and all kinds of factors had to come into play. So I know enough about my how I got here to know the role of those records played in my creation so I never thought about music and quite this way before. So it is. It is by in the sense that that those pelvises are touching. And they are made of substance that got them there and which I would argue got me here and probably many of you are here because of that. I like the music. is directly tied to creation. It's not just again it's not just metaphors it really happens. And, this is exactly why my southern Baptist grandfather forbade dancing. There was a slippery slope. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today on with the artist Dario Roberto at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts. So. There's a phrase. There's some phrasing that I really appreciate. Now the citizen scientist and this is also language you're used because you work with science. The citizen artist and so it was always preparing to talk to you I felt like you know you're kind of a DJ slash artist. I really. Also think you are an artist philosopher. And I think that's how I want to draw you out tonight. You deal in all your work either directly or indirectly with the big subjects. Life Love Death. Somebody wrote about you Dario Row Blerta is a resurrection of dead things. Compliment yeah, yeah. and You you talk about an but but where you don't do and I can imagine that people might. Think, this when the hear about your work, it's not about found objects. It's about as you say alchemy. Sa- Great Distinction that maybe is more of a you know art an art nerdy conversation distinction but it it's a it's an important one to me. Yeah I don't. I. Mean I find them in technically. Detective work to go get them but. I don't leave them in the state that I find them often the materials they use, it's about the transformation it's about. What was hidden inside of it that only the artist touch could have. Teased out through through alteration and. That's you know that's alchemy. One probably I like thinking of myself and that in that lineage that. The through transformation of materials that. There are other things at stake in the transformation, some of it being spiritual even. Some of it being this chemical y'all I'm interested in there that gets at the scientists and you know I'm interested in the molecule up up to the spiritual. Everything in between the material and. It changes how I. Approach changing something because I don't. The. Combinations that I choose to. Use I'm trying to draw out. New meaning a through through poetic interaction but but ask actual material interaction but also the language of what the material was. Often use in my work A, which is why use this term materialist poet that I always try to describe your work? Yeah. We start emphasize the role of language in this process because for an object maker, it's a little it's a little backwards in that language often comes first Rather than the object comes first and then the language. So. Often and I write my title materialist is completely worked out before I ever start the object. And I don't even know what I'm GonNa. Make half the time until that has satisfied me and. And it's. So, there's an alchemy on a language level because I'm trying. But I'm always still trying to get back to an object Somewhere, I think this is part of I looked at so much and I didn't keep good notes about where it came from but. This was. This was on a website that was about one of your exhibitions and. It said that you ask yourself questions, jot down instructions toy with a poetic phrase, which is what you just described for us. And that here's a to do list that you would call from challenges you presented to yourself across the years. Do you remember this list? I Made I'm just GonNa read a few of them there twenty questions or questions or wondering I'd say you know what this reminds me of. Reminds me of How Einstein said that you know. His science was all about pursuing wondering. So here you said. Okay. So here's number three. Culture dormant bacteria from groups of mothers rock and roll records. That's just really an enduring theme. that. You did. number five, number six. How do I change the sound of the ocean storage on that? Okay. How do I-. Reunite A million-year-old raindrop with a million-year-old blast some. I did do that. Did you how did you find a Merrill million-year-old raindrop? Yeah. So this is what I like to push. This is where only language could have got me there and then I, have to figure out because I just wrote that. Question to pursue the quest. To pursue is possible to such a thing exist if it does whereas it can I, get it all these other things fall out so. Yeah. So for example A. million-year-old blossoms exist. Trapped in amber, for example, name or the raindrops are just so beautiful. For example, you know it rained. Tens, of thousands of million years ago. A particular raindrop got just the right moment when some sap was coming out of a tree. And before it had a chance to evaporate another layer of sap formed a perfect air pocket over his amazing and there it is a preserved raindrop from another time and he's things exist in the world and I didn't know that until I had just poetically challenged myself language there. And then, of course, what do you do with it? Once you it is a whole other problem which I took series too but. What about kasten car bone dust from every bone in body. I've done that into several pieces. and. That that maybe needs a little more context because very loaded substance. And just to give you some context. That that material was only used. For, body. Of Work that was directly related to nine eleven. And it was. About a ten year body of work that after nine eleven i. As most of us, but also as an artist I really I put everything back on the table and I said. What does it mean to be an artist in a time of war? I didn't know I didn't know the history of this. I was very history What stewardess ability. As well as a citizen but what about the artist? So Anyway? Invest flirting quite a bit here but but one one realization I had was the. If you're going to talk about war. To me in any meaningful way. You can't shy away from the actual materials of were since that's my focus and one of the realities of war is that people turn to dust on the battlefield or nine eleven, for example, and I did not want to shy away from the reality of warfare as material. Consequence. And so. I. Just wanted to stress that because sometimes when they when you say the materials out of context I hope They don't fall into a different category of. Disrespect, her shock, which has nothing what I'm after it's more of a an honest discussion about what war is. So that that's why I used that material. So. There's a really important Theme or conjunction of themes that. That you just brought up that runs through your work and it's Something about the relationship between. Memory. And time. You Just said this you. It's important to you live like reckon the just honest about the fact that the past and I think you're talking whether it's most of us in our individual past or at our collective past holds. Hardness maybe horror. Use. As an art so I always framed this as what's the artist's responsibility in culture I'm always. Hard on myself in that way. So for example. In our era of. This weird contradiction of being able to have access to all memory. and. Paradoxically maybe as ruining our memory. It's there at any time so. Maybe, you don't need to hold it as long as normal and I, I really push against that and I feel like artists the forgetting the luxury of our time that artists don't get to have in my opinion I don't. Give myself that. So what that means to me is that. If I'm going to use that bone dust I better know why I'm using it and. Road one the civil war were very important narratives in that body of work. So. Hundred hundred and fifty years removed from those wars. How much can I actually no I'm always hitting speier where I know I can't know every I can't really know and I've never been in war probably never will be and I always acknowledged that acknowledged that but does that mean you don't say anything at all and that to me is always worse so. I tried to. This is a very personal thing. Everybody has to answer different but. I have this motto about. What do I need to do to earn the respect to the material before I will use it? And that can be answered a number of ways but one of them is have I remembered it. In as deeply committed way as possible and. Every project requires made answer that a little differently, but that's still court. So so the memory is. Is Very hard loaded topic to me has many dimensions and that's just one of them. I mean, it's very hard to talk about art. On the radio. Or even in room where we're not looking at something. For example, I did write this down. There's. Project, you had call this a sadness silence can't touch. A small memento box containing six civil war pain bullets, which were the bullets soldiers. Bit. On when they were undergoing surgery. Before the era of painkillers. Made. So what were the just futile that what they were made from Ver- mid from This is a piece that. Language. was being used as a material. And the role of the war poet, which is another one of these genres the. What standing the war poet have anymore in our culture. and. And that you know that history bothers me that we don't. We don't remember these frontline experiences in the war poet is particularly interesting to me because of what I'm saying divide that I feel about one experience what I'm talking about firsthand and some some things I've just not going to be able to. So that we're poets voice is vital memory of. A Thoughtful, reflective mind in. The most worst case scenario of what we can produce on the planet and those voices are important. So those pain bullets may each one's made from a different recording of a war poet? from from different wars. Audiotapes Audio's audiotape mounted downs melted down and then made into an. CAST. The original pain bullet. which so the pinball. They have marks of soldiers, teeth in them. Everybody. Knows that term bite the bullet and this is where it originates to achieve lost context with that history but. It has a much darker background, which is they're literally biting on a piece of lead more than likely as a amputation is occurring, and so those marks as a person sensitive to materials and form when I see a tooth mark in a chunk of lead that's been buried in the ground for one hundred and fifty years it's. Deeply moving to me as anything I've ever seen and. But as a form of forgotten form of memory. I wanted to cast it and remake it in the what I think is the power of. The poets, the voice, and all of these points I should say were chosen because they were forms of protest by the poet. On the Front Line Whitman Tennyson T.. S. Eliot Robert Graves Dylan Thomas. Soon I believe soon. who were all in some way? Commenting on. The actual Hara war as in opposition to the. The honor that the public mean of course, which is a dimension of it they were speaking to. The the gruesome, this of it, which can never be forgotten or lost. But, but as you say in the form of poetry so yes, the gruesome nece of it but. Not The way we get the gruesome -ness of it in the newspaper writing the gruesome gruesome -ness of it in the human voice. Yeah. So in a way that I made the painful because I imagined the poets, the force of their voice, moving their mouth, moving their teeth and making new impressions into to the bullet but their their impressions of of protest rather than the original impression made. From pain of an amputation, for example. So there it was. Very Specific Wyatt chose. Language in a form that was made by the mouth. And that also gets at something that is so evocative that you talk about also as your work as an artist of. Healing back through time. I mean, which is an amazing thing for any of us to think about Yeah I don't. It's my point about I, at least for me as an artist my point about I, don't I don't think I have the right to forget certain things. That I think it's a luxury. Of Our time that should be pressed harder against. But. Healing as Presented itself in different ways in my work over the years. There have been times that I've actually given myself the challenge could I make a medicine that worked? Of which is an odd thing to think about does the public want their artists prescribing the medicine of? and. What's the protocol? Not a sort of thing but But I thought could I not contribute In that way. So I liked that challenge but then it'll go into the much more metaphorical like like in the war work. Could. To me, the biggest problem by seems consistent with every war is the problem of divides, which is between the Home Front and the frontline. Every. Generation of. Warriors comments on the Gulf. They feel when they come back that there's it seems unbridgeable gap between the Home Front? On the front line between the experience they experienced and any sort of meaningful communication with the Home Front. So I feel I felt could part. Could I at least try to? Heal that divide. A. Bob A metaphorical die divide but it's also a real direct psychological. Have Real World consequence if you could initiate a conversation of. Between the home frightened the front line so The healing takes on many forms of my work. How did YOU GET INTERESTED IN WAR You. Are Not really generation. You kind of missed. You missed the Vietnam War more than nine, hundred, seventy two. I mean, of course you live in this we live in this post nine eleven world, but I'm just curious about this. It was. It was nine eleven, absolutely nine eleven, and then that also took you back to civil war and world. War One. When I get involved in a project, I go all in and. I thought if everybody remembers what was the big question and the moment was why? Why US there was this? Complete confusion about how wide in and I was like everybody else. I realized I didn't have a good answer where you in Houston at that time. And I was so frustrated with myself that I didn't I couldn't answer that question. So. It turns as you would expect when you talk about these topics. Of course, it's GonNa take years and years to come to any understanding. A intelligent way to answer that question and I. Still. Not there. You know all these years later and But that's that was what so I decided I'm going to make work. As long as the country was at war I thought okay. Make work in response to it because I was grappling with this. What's the artist's responsibility in time of war? Of course, nobody knew we were entering the longest word in our history and so a decade later I was still making work about the war but I think what's Important. About that is. You know the news cycle. Yes. We've been at world is time in some sense, but the news cycle moves on right we just get reminded of it periodically. Even our political life really hold that awareness, but you've actually as an artist. You've continued to hold that reality and also I think the fact that you're doing it in a spirit of. Of a question, can you heal back through time? The idea of. A sustained meditation on her problem. Seems like this format going out of style quickly going out of style. So again to me, it's always framed in. Okay. That's what the everybody another for the journalism is moving on or the public consciousness is moving on, but that's not the standard I think artists. I always say that in a big broad term I just made me I'm not I'm not saying that all artist approach it this way at all but for me as an artist, I realized. I was not going to let hold. Let go. And that I was going to continue as long as I needed to so. That takes on another dimension and our time of. Trying to go against the grain of. Immediate gratification or short term memory short-term attention spans which have many artists have used that. Really brilliant creative ways in their work. That's as much of a moment. Symbol of our moment as as anything else. So but I, it's not my choice, it's not my strategy and. You need the sustained meditation you need those voices on certain problems, yes, Max you you need any need you need artist on the front line innocence with the other other people in other fields who are also not not losing their attention to this problem. I really believe that. So I tend to latch onto two hundred topic for many years when I when I commit to something and it's interesting because you when you reflect sometimes about being part of your generation, I don't know you Gen-x is that Yup? I get I can't keep track anymore. I, don't know. I don't know it. But. You're right. The stereotype. Of gen-x is not too deep senecal. Llosa Jerry is drove me crazy. Is being lumped in with. A political apathetic cynical. Overly Ironic. Generation which was. Lazy. I. Think. And certainly that was there but. The story. No with. No generation is all that. and. I. Really wanted to push back against the. Push back against it just in terms despite being who you are. I really appreciate. You said, I assume that my viewers are smart and want to engage again that's kind of counter cultural statement. We're comrades in this just assuming the best audiences be. They rise to the occasion. Don't they? Yes. I like assuming the audience is smart when pretty much everywhere else in culture. I think they think we're stupid. In most of the media formats were given and I don't I'd rather assume the opposite and. And then if someone wants to engage wonderful and if they don't then that's fine too but. But I choose that strategy I. Wonder. If you're saying her similar reason because that actually changes decisions I make in the studio it has a studio value and how I make an object. Well in that the lowering the layers of meaning in my work. That I purposefully put they're. Hoping that if someone were. To want to continue through those layers that I promise. There'd be something interesting you don't have to go but but the doors open and so that that changes in the studio practice how I'm making the object. So it has a value to me on that level too I always assume we have an intelligent. Public. Before we? Move on I just want to actually read some very beautiful words that you wrote about. Time and memory you know this subject. This long time you have. Time is of course doing it's steady work on every object ever made this complex relationship between the maker and emotionally invested object and the growing distance between them is not new only rediscovered each generation. I. Love this weather by an artist mourner, a mother or a soldier. Later you say. You know that you have to let go right losses about letting go. But that we let go with the hope that others will grab hold. These objects ask very human moral questions. What right do we have to forget what do we owe to each other's meme race? You're that's so memory now takes on a moral dimension because. That's why I Take it so serious because. When I go hope someone grabs hold of me and. Promise grabbing hold of WHO's gone before. And I love the. Memory binds us in that way. We've we've sort of Britain. A Document to each other that. We're going to. We're going to stay true to this and of course the. Lines get severed all the time. and. Sometimes they overwhelmed when I think of think of how many people have ever been on this planet and the actual tiny tiny fraction of them that are actually remembered to to this day. The vast majority of human lives. Are they're just gone nobody remembers. To three generations down the road. It's easy to start forgetting. Memory has a spiritual dimension in that way to me, there's a title of a piece called Has Being, a memory to others and. That's that's kind of where I can go when we talk about spiritualism of spiritual issues that. Like my grandmother who was deeply close to. I I remember her deeply every day and. When I when I go probably, no one's going to remember in that way again so. For the next few decades, her memory is still. innocence life after death this is in a sense what I think memory can do on the planet. But it, but it's going to taper off at some point with her in particular and many of our family members. But I. so I, just like knowing, I'm going to hold on I'm going to grasp poll hard into the last moment. I like that can do that. So I think it should. I'd love to talk about in about ten minutes. We're going to open up and have some back and forth and see what's on your mind. Before we do that. I'd love to talk about you know how you've Gone Cau- I mean you allude to this but you really do have a cosmic view, right? It's not just about history and you. You're working on this project about the golden record. And And I also think that in this project is Imbaba encapsulated a lot of things you care about so. Talk about that somewhere I saw this described as you know returning to love and memory were just talking about across vast reaches of time and space. Yes the Golden Record and it's it's. It's a big topic for me. I Take I take. Very seriously to. As a quick preface if you don't know what it is, it's It's record literally a gold record that's attached to the voyager probes. Were in the late seventy S. And Carl. Sagan had been asked to. Basically. Produce a document of of. Life on earth than he had to do it in the space limitations of a record, which which at the time about two hours of content, which of everybody's phone in here right now. Has Thousands of time of more power than. Than Him and his team had to work with. So it was just incredible incredible problem of to tell the complexity of the planet. Through sound an image of in the space limitations of two hours and on a medium that we ourselves have already long ago got got rid of. But in September of just last year voyager. Crossed a milestone thirty, eight years later, Cross what scientists call the the solar bubble. It essentially entered interstellar space and attached to the site of the probe which had this whole other mission, of planetary, exploration. But attached to it is the symbol. Record long playing record with our story on it. And what what's on it is much longer story and beautiful one. But And you've called. Carl Sagan the ultimate. Dj and that the Golden Record is the greatest mix tape of humankind piled. Well, it really is and. I mean because of my point earlier about what's at stake with your musical selections like this forever is at stake with that record and they really gave it huge seriousness right? I was reading because I knew it was gonNA talk to you. The process was painstaking and very complex and dramatic part of my goals and artist as with most topics is what can the artists bring to the conversation that other fields haven't already done like because when you talk about the Voyager Golden Record. Pretty much the people who care about it know everything about it. There's not really anything new to say about it. But you bring an artist end and I filled they look at it differently and I was determined determined to find something. That had been overlooked and I feel confident. I did. Can you tell us what? Well it's a longer. But. But can you put it in one of those poetics low sentences? Love survives the death of cells. The death of cells. And Andrian who Was who fell in love with Carl during the making of that record, she's a creative director of the Golden Record. when people ask me, who's WHO's my favorite artists I- without hesitation say Andrea and I really mean it and part of my goal with discussing the Golden Record. Today is for artist to reframe it in an art discussion because of its just brimming with creativity that is lost in just strictly assigns discussion. But the thing decisions they had to make make. An why they made them are. There arts absolutely art it was are those driving it and and did some things on on that record that I feel. That golden records is the greatest artwork work that art history is never really accounted for because it hasn't had. been framed that way. and has been framed as this great artist in the way that I think she should be and and it's kind of on a mission to to reframe the discussion around that. I think it's fascinating that you. That love is. Is that thing you Ho honed Dan on and There's this you know that the philosopher new also talks about love a lot in a very philosophical poetic way. There's a sentence that you repeat. And you actually use this in the context of the golden record with nothing to risk love can't exist. Tell us what that sentence means to you. And how to rose and you? continues. To. Arise. Well I can very specifically also honky-tonk memory. One of those. During those years I remember just being floored when I read. In Ripley's believe it or not somewhere I don I don't quite remember what it was. That's incredible TV show maybe but every and it's become this urban myth of. The mother who lifts a car off their child who's been injured. And I remember reading died and just being. I was shocked I couldn't believe that a mother could do this. Could be that strong? In a moment. Of terror like that for their child and that. You know in my young mind. Sitting a Honky Tonk. vm mixing with all the other songs on that Jukebox. Turned and started. I see. Now started started to turn into a philosophy which I feel like I'm more fully exploring today. And it's it's pretty simple thing to say it's an I even mentioned that it's painfully obvious in age but. God was mysterious in youth when when you first realized that. Loving something can actually physically change your body and that that connection the my science mine again comes in as far as. That something abstract had real world consequence. So I love my child and then I turned into the incredible hulk and. To lift the car off them. and. Yeah I. Think I mean it's so simple but. It's an important thing that something has to be at risk. Something's got to be on the line. To. Reveal these I think the much more strange complicated parts of love. That I'm I'm more interested in. Because he say love and it's Our minds go to cliche often but no, it's really weird and strange if you know where to look and it's on these weird edges of. Of Love when it's at risk and the things people will do in that moment that I find this beautiful alternate history of. Aesthetics. Like, I like to say that if you could put on the table everything, anyone's ever made in a moment of loss. That would tell US beautiful a history of aesthetics. And creativity as the proper art history that we all know. But that discussion doesn't happen art history because. The people making at our artists or it's just it's all of us. When push comes to shove what would you do? What could you make? What are you capable of and Something has to be risks I'm interested in the creative response that comes. In often, it's some form of love that we didn't see coming until I happened. There was a project you did Called lunch for love as if it were air. I think also had that story. And it's Yes. I like. My titles that I wrote, it was actually a song title in my song title this so That these titles have become, they find their form finally objects even though I thought they'd be for a band. So in a a way. I still release them in a way. Yeah. I'm Chris Certificate and this is on being today and with the Artists Dario Roberto at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts. So I think there's microphones wandering around that we can pass around. Is that right? Is there a microphone somewhere or am I just? I'm not seeing. Oh here it is. I like this method I was saying beforehand because I think the the format where you have the microphones up here. And people have to come to the microphone privileges the extroverts in the room. And so I want to encourage. introverts to raise your hand and you don't have to be too conspicuous microphone will come to you. Yes. It seems like a lot of your work has to do with. Materials and material objects. And I'm just wondering how you feel about a world that seems like it's increasingly digital and has a lot of information that's not necessarily. Embodied. In. Physical objects. I'm definitely not a anti technology. Back in the old day kind of guy. I always resist going down that road but as be because I'm sensitive to what's happening on the edges generally of any topic, for example. The past several years the only. Growth Industry and music has been sell vinyl records and I find this these kind of these kind of forgotten little charts, indicators of something deeper happening in culture like what's to explain the resurgence of. A digital age. I think you can't answer that unless you talk about people's needs to attach a motion to things something fundamentally human about. A vessel containing the emotion. Or? That wants to form. and. So I suspect, there will be many things like this that pop up. IN THE COMING YEARS Not that it's going to turn the tide at all but but I, think there'll be more of an evening out on the topic at some point you mean, maybe old things will because all right I was wondering. What would the Dario Roberto of today? You know you might not grind vinyl records to dust. What would you do a crime dead ipods dust or something? A. No it's not the same Yom. But but I I suspect people will surprise us. In how they saw answer this question in ways we just don't know yet which I always I never worries me about this this question because. It's just too human to need. To need to attach emotions to things and. And there will always be some outlet for that. But if I a quick little. Anecdote a tear ipod point that really floored me that happened recently. A group of students I was talking to. Who are. One of the students mentioned. That his father. Had Willed to him his record collection. And you know how touched he was by. The other students were sort of making fun of them like you gotta carry that in life. Now, they were thinking of it as a burden a physical burden. To carry records in life and I just had this impromptu thought like I asked them. Because I found that. So interesting because I I don't think of it as a burden at all but. They. I asked him has everybody had an ipod of course, everybody raise their hands. And I said, has everybody had several ipods. Everybody raised their hands and I said how many of you could foresee a day when you will your ipod collection to your child nobody raised their hand. And Interesting instinctually they knew that seemed odd. The generation that only has had ipods and I don't know what to make of that I'm just saying that that. There's weird things like that. That will happen that I that I would be excited to see how we solve the in the future. How does the spirituality of the music that you grind up manifest in the art object? Is it a phantom? Is it that it becomes a thing greater than the song or does the song infuse it in a different way? So. This is the leap I ask of the viewer, but it's a leap. We are asked to do all the time with all kinds of things. I'm asking the let's. Say. Patsy clines voice embodies a life experience that means something to us. It's real and authentic. and. Can I expected that to be in the objects when I transformed her voice as a material I'm making the leap the Yes it's there. And I I always do that with my with my but that's one of the beauties of art is that you can ask to make that leap, but it's not just started I mean we do this all the time with. The buildings being held up with materials where all trusting are structurally sound. They have some meaning was placed into them by years of science. That we don't really question but every everything, every material asks something of us. that. We don't often question. And that's why the power of objects that do ask us those things I find this beautiful and fascinating in the world. Because there at some point there leap, you have to take a leap. and. I like that I've always enjoyed when art asked me to do that. I keep mentioning Patsy Kline. Obviously she is important to me but. PATSIES, asking me to make. To to believe what she's singing about real and true. I I've made it many many times so Yeah. I I liked. That much of us. So. I think it's in there is what I'm saying. I really appreciate the way that you honor the spirit of your material that you're working with and. I like the way you've talked about memory. Particularly, I'm interested in memory of water and I was wondering what it felt like when you reunited that million-year-old water with million-year-old blossom. What did it feel like? It's just me. Well. We'd like to know what it felt like to the water. It's such. I think being articulated and then I stumble here because I don't know. There's still this area where I don't I don't have quite the words for it sometimes. I prep. So long I looked so hard. So much time energy went into finding raindrop and that blossom. And then the moment comes when they're together again and I. Don't know don't know how to explain it. I couldn't have done it as I mentioned earlier. What do I need to do to earn the respect of that material and all those things that I did to get to that moment Produce the sensation that's hard for me to describe So I'm sorry stumbling on that, was there actually a moment though where you brought them together I mean. The idea was to bring them together again to to. have. This question I like to ask about can finish something that never got finished and. In this way it was. Could that drop finish? Hitting that blossom. All, these years later so those. Manifestation of that question and that that questions propelled mini mini artworks can finish something that's never did never got finished. Leads to these kinds of interactions. Think, it's true that. There's this common perception that. That that art connects us with the artist in a way that it that is self expression, and so the kind of ideas it's a, it's a way to get inside the artists head. when I look at your work and then I listened the way you describe it. It. It feels like instead of connecting with you, it connects with other lives. And another way I was thinking about it is when I've looked at your work it it it's almost like walking into a natural history museum. I'm connecting with something else kind of bigger or other lives or something distant. How do you? How do you think about? The role of the self in the artwork do you consciously try to erase or cover up? It's to me it's this is a great. Question about because as most artist, we tap into our own history as a starting point. Many young artists do that and. Patsy Kline is we believe her because she's singing about her heartbreak and That's why counts. But my relationship to those histories that I'm often referencing the work. The dynamics different. It can't be about me. I mean I'm making it initiating it but. The point is not me. And I do try to taper out. Myself. As much as I can because it's not especially when we're talking about the suffering of war, I mean. Come on how can how can I even pretend to know a so so then he gets even more complicated when depending on the topic where I. Can't eve-, I would never even hint that I I'm suffering in some sense. When I'm talking about suffering at this mass level and but that's not to say there's not an emotional toll that comes with. The work definitely does, but that's not did what drives me to make the work. or It's not what drives me to make the work about. My own. The emotional. I'm may be experiencing in it so I tried to answer you I do try. To taper out. My voice. In that way because because the narrative I'm trying to talk about is what I want all the attention. But then I made the object. There's the artists can never remove themselves totally from it. So it's it's not always possible. So, yeah, there's a there's a conscious effort to do that but I would think that it must please you to hear someone describe your work that way. Your work connects our lives with other lives who really does because site every artist? Young artists that I work with the. Why should anybody care about your problem? And when you make work about that problem and I think every artist should be hard on themselves about that. That's why someone like Billie holiday or Patsy Kline have done this. They somehow solve this riddle of. Singing about their own experience, but it mean bid. Was All of our experience and I mean that's like this puzzle I'll always be trying to figure out. How do you tap into the personal? But it's meant to be for the public. Interaction and meaning. So I think artists should always be hard on themselves about. That the work doesn't just begin and end with their own problem. There are problems even if that's what can be the fuel sometimes. The microphone over here somewhere right Yeah So I was wondering is you always use a Grinding record or things of that nature do you always use sixties to modern era vinyl or have you ever used? Like the pre vinyl, seventy, eight material that's harder essentially immune to any sort of weathering and yet is also incredibly brittle and therefore it's interesting to see how it's been able to make it from. Nineteen Twenty S era America to Modern Day Yes, definitely and I can. I can I know the age of a record just by scraping it at this point because of I know the history of the materials being used. And you know. Advancing technology with politics and vinyl and SHELLAC. But yes, I have used those and. Probably, the oldest media I've US or seventy, eight but used. Sound that pre dates that Arab. But I. I'm a big historical sound buff. And pushing the boundary of the absolute earliest recording ever made. The birth of. The audio experience is something I feel very very well versed on and it's fascinating field the people who are trying to inch the line back in time. So I've used sounds that are much older but. As. A media the seventy S I have used. Wasn't there something about. The same year that the golden record was launched. The person died who created the first audio recording. The Sun cemetry there Oh never mind. How about you know? Whereas microphone? As your hand. You had mentioned earlier is something that I found intriguing and it just kinda got glossed over. Being, very badly depressed when you were younger and visiting Your Dad and having this experience in the room with. Hearing Sergeant Peppers and you came out and you were an artist. And it seemed like I guess the way my mind thought it was like well, that must also mean that you were very depressing. You came out of the woman you weren't depressed anymore I don't know if that resolves as quickly as becoming an artist, but I just was wondering if you could speak a little bit more on. What was out of kilter that was causing that depression and had that resolve This is one of those topics we're afraid to talk about and shouldn't be at all and I really believe that. It I hesitate because. It's related to the previous question where I don't what my work to be about that but clearly. When I look back. It was depression absolutely but I mean five years old. He was a constant. In life and I just didn't understand what it was. And it has never gone away if anything. You just learned how to harness it I guess and I wouldn't probably I'm an artist because. Partly I need. It gives me a way to harness it and to funnel it into something. That takes. My own my own problems as I was saying. But I didn't when I left the room, it was still there and and. It just had a purpose. That it didn't have before. And and I, have struggled every day to keep that purpose on site. Or, you know I just I have to have up to keep to keep moving forward with it. Yeah but. I'm sure it's I mean it's a very common experience and I'm sure many artists would talk about it. We all find different ways to to deal with it. But there's nothing like. Reading a story of a civil. War Soldier. Builds carving their leg from scratch. The will set you straight very quickly on your own personal depression. And and I constantly looking for those narratives to help put things in perspective. Is that you talk a lot about your lifelong fascination with Survival. And the human creative response to loss, and it sounds to me like that's a huge root for you of. That in your own life. If I had to say in one word, what's the overarching theme of my work, its survival, and it divides off until these other things but. It's tough. To terms, I like to use our the the logic of loss and the creative response to loss. As. A histories. that. Crossover culture and time that. Speak to something basic basically human that. Every era every culture. Deals with grief and mourning and loss in. The creativity was the response to the laws that. The loss. Insisted on some sort of aesthetic. Writing Point, making an object. And I saw that that. Notion that loss and lover? Connected at some fundamental level thought. Find. Human. Or even I think as you talk about memory intentional memories itself a creative response to last. Yes. Memory L. Memories One of our twenty and a half to be an artist. Yeah. It's a tool it's a weapon against decay and against. Forever, be a loss of being permanent, and that's a very human thing to want to struggle against that. So. Semi Fan here. Father as a memory to your mother and father each individually did you do any piece of work to honor your parents? My mother has. Shown up in other works definitely my grandmother. my father that was the only time. Yeah. We'll let you mentioned like I remember the day my mother. Gave me her forty forty-five when she was a teenager which had been sealed since she was a teenager in this box and I opened them up and I realized. The last person you touch this wasn't my teenage mother and. She left behind something in those crews when she lost played them and touch them. So I wanted to see could I- REIGNITE The cells that had let her be literally fallen into those groups area the bacteria. So I did all these weird experiment strain to get. To culture the the cells that were lying in their. A. Teenage teenage mother who I was still a distant thought in her head Long down the road so Yeah but my grandmother also very prominent in many works. We didn't touch on this at all, but my mother went from the Honky Tonk to hospice. And that is equally. Equally left a mark of being being around the hospice for the next twenty years after that. Mothers quite an amazing woman. and. So the hospice, the philosophy of that is pretty crucial to my ideas about an artist as well. One more question. Okay. There's a hand. An introvert who finally. Mulling it over for phrasing it five different ways. I was wondering I'm a believer that objects can carry energy from people that were emotionally charged when they handled them lasts and whatnot and I was wondering if that ever happened to you when you came in contact with one of the objects that you had worked on procuring and then. Either got something from it or had something profound don on you in the moment when you handled it or saw the first time. We're experienced. You mean. Like maybe the first time that you actually saw are held like the pain bullet. Like witness something like that that's emotionally charged or something that was emotionally charged for you, and then something else came. You know. What I definitely have an emotional response. To those objects. When I when I touched them, it's very important to me to touch. The things I make. I make make everything to this day in my work. It's very important to me to do that. So. I mean I have an emotional response, but I don't know if that's what you're asking so much. Of. A. Sort of. I'm sort of asking have you ever felt something come from the object in like a spiritual carryover something like I'm having a hard time phrasing it but you know. I think. I think I've. Were using different words to to talk about a an essential lease similar experience. I wouldn't I wouldn't use the word spiritual. It doesn't feel like the right word to me when I when I'm having that encounter. But. Definitely. Emotions are involved a sense of responsibility. Did I change in some way absolutely. Even. My physical body, the way I'm touching it. The way handle it is changing. Do I move forward in life? Differently now that I've held a painful, absolutely. So I changed in those ways. which you know we can we can title different things but. But it's certainly A. I'm certainly constantly changing every time I started project. that. The peace, the material demands that from me. So the ALCHEMY. Happens in the object and also in you and also in the. The viewer people take the art in, but definitely definitely me, I think. To remain unchanged would. have been to not have remembered at all because to me the memories intertwined with changing. Thought Pattern or physical behavior or. To my level of empathy rise that day I, mean all these some change had to have occurred. For me to fill, it was a meaningful experience with the material. And that's constantly happening. In in my work so I hope that censoring you but. You are also working more recently on. A project called the boundary of life is quietly crossed. which does come a bit to this notion of the hospice that your mother worked in. Back to the big philosophical. Existential reality of death And my understanding is that. Kind of central Motif for that is Your experience of your grandmother's heartbeat as she died subway. Yes Had the. Woods clearly now seems like a privilege of. Of being by her as she passed away and. Just instinctually put my hand on her chest and I'll never forget the last five beats. and. What they felt like. and. That deeply changed me and. The time span between the last beat. Up to the moment we're sitting here. Is a very distinct space that I feel. Because, he always assume there's a beat after the last one and then. The brain realizing that's coming is something I still grapple with and but I think what hit me the hardest in that moment was that I didn't know anything about the heart and it it was like nine eleven that I thought. How am I ever going to understand this experience if I don't understand the heart? It's cultural history. It's mechanics. That's I mean everything. So right now I'm in the. Process of trying to answer to myself. That question of what is what is the hurt mean? They're largely unexplored history of the human heartbeat. And as usual there's. One hundred things that nobody knows about that I'm sure nobody knows A. Fascinating about. About the story but this unknown history of the human heartbeat that originates with her definitely. And I mean what you know. Again I'm reading from things have been written about it that it spans the. Earliest attempts to record visualize the human heartbeat, the female brainwaves and heartbeats. Recordings aboard a NASA probe at the edge of the solar system. And recent developments in technology to. It's another big project and. But everybody should know that there. There is literally a heartbeat on the other side of the solar bubble and it's injury and who mentioned earlier. So are represented carpet Yup and her brain, his recording. Oh that Carl Sagan made would there of her. I don't want to do injustice to that story. It's too good and long but but I like you know as we're walking down the street, do you realize there's a human heartbeat? On the other. Side of the seller bubble and. that. She's alive and she's on her planet and she's amazing artist and. I love that story and then, and then the other thing was I thought will who was the first person to ever have had their heart recorded somewhere on the planet must be. Got Milestone, which we don't really think of as a milestone, but it really is actually a pretty important milestone idea that you could record and hear your own heart again. Is Pretty recent science and science history. As a experience that we can have. So I have been on this quest to find it where is it? And can we hear it again and? I have found it and. Go into. The hassle. recorded. Does that even get complicated. Because, it predates Edison and he gets into weird territories about what we consider recorded. Sound. but technically, it's eight, hundred, fifty three. The first time a someone attempted to. Visually register the beating of the pulse actually You know everybody pitcher in their head of heart monitor the very common side. It's like a universal sign. But think about it. There was a time when no one someone had to be the first to make the heart heart sign. and to me, that is one of the most important marks ever made as far as humans reflecting on what they are. And it's a beautiful story of how it happened and the materials used to record it, which I won't go into now but but trust me, it's it's really breathtakingly beautiful and it's still on the planet is like it's Regulus to me that we have access to it. It's moving to think about that's moving to think about you with your grandmother because now you know anyone who has a baby now It's one of the first things that happens that you hear the heartbeat so. Incredibly exciting drilling beyond measure. But really when you tell a story about being with your grandmother and hearing her last five heartbeats. And it was a it was a sensation maybe ten to your question about being moved by touching something. and. You know at that point she was so frail and then the. It really felt like her heart was right in my hand and. yeah. I'll never forget thought and dot I wonder forget and but to come to terms with it. I want to answer these other questions about the human heart. Like when did this start? Does it matter to fill somebody's heart or why does it matter to hear one of? And when you start to dig into those questions, you get to some pretty fundamental human questions about how we. Identify ourselves and. In. The beating of a heart. And it's much more complex weird. Story than. You it. I think. So I'm often drawn to stories that seemed like. Cochet almost that. You can't really say anything else knew about it and I always liked that take that as a challenge as an artist I know there's something we did we did find. Hiding in there. So so I think that kind of comes back to some of these driving questions. In your work does have the power to fix something that never got fixed to correct a wrong that's never been resolved. What can art do anymore? I Wonder Justin closing if you talk a little bit about how those questions and how you live those questions changes as you go through life and changes, you teams how you live your life. My idealism has not budged at all. In. I'd done not GonNa let a bunch I. Love the the nonsense that seems like when you when you hear an artist, say art can change the world of. that. Maybe as you think only young artists would fall into this kind of trap and. I don't care if it's not I I like I, like believing it and because it changes how you make things and. Your approach things differently, and that's what I'm looking for is. Is If I make this object like my point about my mother's musical decisions as there's something at stake. If I go into the studio and start an object that I've put that much expectation on. Then, it changes how you make it and that's what I want. Some constantly trying to find ways. To still create objects that there's something at stake with them and of course, changes me and the process and. No way my suggesting there or did I'm ever going to get their? promos not the point. The point is the struggle to keep keep trying to find it. I don't know answered you so well, no, it does and I think the PGA didn't say is then to here, come back at you you know. The idea that then you have created objects that join our life with other lives. I. Hope I. Hope that happens. You never know but. The artists and keeps trying for that to happen. So. Well Darrow Blatko, citizen DJ philosopher artists. It's been a pleasure to be in your company today. Thank you so much. Well that says. That just said what I was going to say but thank you both so much for sharing such A. Fascinating personal thought provoking conversation with us. KRISTA come. Back anytime. Dario I want to to. A. Thank you all for being such a great audience. Spring compensation.

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Time for Saucy Nuggs or Trash...

The Steve Czaban Show

10:11 min | 9 months ago

Time for Saucy Nuggs or Trash...

"A debit card that rewards you means more for the things that really matter with a landmark credit union rewards debit card. You can earn points on everyday purchases for more information or to open online visit landmarks cu dot com slash your checking landmark credit union. You're worth more here insured by NCUA. Hades Abe, and thanks for checking out. Today's show podcast brought to you by landmark credit union at landmark credit. Union. They understand that it's not just a house you're buying a home. So they offer you better rates and lower fees and your own mortgage loan expert has a guide visit landmark c you dot com or call two, six, two, seven, nine, six, forty, five, hundred, landmark credit union. You're worth more here inspired by NCUA equal housing opportunity. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another edition of the first. Edition. Of saucy nuggets or trash. Tossing Trash? No, he says or trash. Okay. Yeah and then the listeners get to decide if this is saucy nuggets. Or. Trash. Before, we get started with this trash. Special. Shout out to our friends at landmark Credit Union for allowing us to bring you this after Party podcast now known as. SAUCY nuggets or trash. Now last time on the podcast, we were discussing the pizza incident in the studio. Crumbs uncooked pizza cheese all over the studio. Yes. We found out. It was Bob Brainerd. It was Bob. Of admitted it on twitter very much admitted. It didn't straight up cop to it. Let's just. So he just said Oh I wasn't supposed to bring the the pizza oven into the studio and the pizza in the Studio Zach. No. So he he he he sews dead, but he didn't take full blame for let's go with. Enough enough blame to be. Guilty I. And I thought. Okay. This is it. We're done with the mysteries Yup happening in the studio and then get her you come into the studio. What was that car today Tuesday morning. So day after the long holiday weekend. Yeah and you go to the bathroom because you go to the bathroom like five hundred times from all of that. And you are upset again and I'm like what's going on and you said, have you seen the bathroom yet and I went? No. So I went in there and the there's two sinks in our bathroom here, the one that we use primarily. And one sink had a bunch of blue residue on each of the corners of the like the upper right lower left unlike. So at first I looked at him like well, that's not really the soap. The soap that comes on soap dispenser is white right some like what the hell. So, then I go look at it closer and now I see little black specks next to some of the blue residue and I'm like Oh my God somebody used the sink to shave the blue stuff is shaving cream and the Black specs are. whiskers that they did not clean up what in the Holy Hell. So this is the next mystery who shaving. In the building bathroom now. To break this down. Okay. I I shouldn't, but I'm going to. Assume it's a guy so we can what. I'm saying you know you can't be too careful but I think that's a safe assumption that Y- Quincy. Men's room. Her leg look maybe. You. Never Know Okay I'm just saying as I try to figure it out, you start broad and you get more. Specific. Unintended start broad well, right exactly. Okay. So if we take all the women out all right now we have to start looking at. Immediately your brain would go to people facial hair. However, you said that these Mary short so like it was like me shaving right now I have. The five o'clock shadow, Shane? Yes. Without question and it was dark. So. That probably rules out you. Will also, I would have just told you but I was not here this weekend. So I'm really myself out. Correct. So it had to happen M- Sunday or Monday well, well, I guess Saturday or any time after. The clean got Friday I don't know I. Have No idea. I'm trying to I don't think it was anyone from our station. I don't. Based on the only person I can think of. Is Bill Schmidt. That's it. He's the only one 'cause he he I don't feel like he was always baby face. He wasn't baby-faced when he came in here and then he he shaved it all. And I think maybe now he's trying to to keep it a little bit more clean. Tie can't grow facial hair. Unless. Dario Friday had to leave to go do. Do. and. made the mess in a hurry and didn't clean it up. That's you think that he ran out of time. Couldn't shave in the morning said F. it. I'll bring the razor to the studio. Shave at work. Interesting take. or Ted it wasn't Ted. He takes yard showers with a host. Yes I know we've established this but the Ted Ted. Ted doesn't give an F but he yeah, he he wouldn't shave. He's on camera like Dario was on camera right this weekend, right? I think Dario might be the the lead suspect in this. Because it's not brainerd the not his colleague, right? Arm would be the other other option. But hormones just lazy. Arman at no point would be like, ooh, I have to shave drew pro. Drew did they do foot? Did they do big twelve? Show Friday maybe. Maybe but I I feel like Druze drew's always ahead on that stuff. You know what I mean like drew just sits around. He's got plenty of time to shave. Yup He doesn't have to do it in between jobs. which put storrow in the the lead suspect share. Okay. So between the two of us are we are we going Dario. I think he's the most likely candidate at this point. Okay. Now, we need to figure out how do we? Get enough evidence other cameras in the hallway that we could don't. See. I don't think so and also how would we? See Him Walk in with a razor to shaving cream. You know what? That's a great point we would be. Yeah that's true. Because none of that stuff is in the note in the bathroom so he had to bring that with him. But also Dario doesn't I've never seen come in with a backpack or anything. Maybe, he brought it on. We weren't here Friday when he got here. Okay. We're GONNA need. We're going to need help here. If you are listening to this podcast. Please reach out to Dario. Melendez at Dario Melendez on twitter. And Hound him or text the. Crossover today. And, tomorrow, and let's try and let's try to get an answer out of him because I know that if you and I just go and ask him. Nobody Toma. And then that's it and then he'll just brush it off. But I think you're right. I think it's Dario and we gotta figure this out. Second episode I episode of Saucy mugs with trash and we already have another mystery I can't wait to see what happens Monday when we come after. The packers lose and we come in one day. And we have to break that down and there's something else going on in the. In the locker room or venda world. And your negativity is just the worst. I I had A. Real I got to pack real after the bucks game that was like an packers are going to suck to and I was like, can you just let me mourn this? Why did we got immediately go onto being asked about something that doesn't even start at three setting your expectations for what is to come and if they exceed your expectations and it's like cool, we'll sure I get that. I totally get that but you don't have to spend all this time. Bringing it up that well, and they're gonNA suck can't wait for them to suck. It's just you're you're out ahead of it. Then you know you're leading the parade at that point? No no I disagree strongly with you and I think that you should stick to finding messes so that we can talk about him. I'm hearing something in my head to it's going on. Hopefully it's in the background of this entire podcast. No which. Is Over. Thank you so much to landmark credit union. For allowing us to do this this has been saucy nuggets or trash. We will see you next time. Bye. Checkout more show podcasts at the game K.. E. Dot com brought to you by landmark credit union and landmark credit. 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Dario Robleto  Sculptor of Time and Loss

On Being with Krista Tippett

50:53 min | 10 months ago

Dario Robleto Sculptor of Time and Loss

"Support for on being with Krista Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. FETZER envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives. A powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves, others, and the natural world learn more by visiting Fetzer Dot. Org. Doria Rope blotto has been called a sculptural artist, a philosopher and a materialist poet at the heart of his work is a fascination with human survival and the creative response to loss. I just want to actually read some very beautiful words that you wrote about. Time and memory. Time is, of course, doing it steady work on every object ever made this complex relationship between the maker and emotionally invested object and the growing distance between them is not new only rediscovered each generation. I love this weather by an artist, a mourner, a mother, or a soldier. These objects ask very human moral questions. What right do we have to forget what do we owe to each other's memories? So memory now takes on a moral dimension because. When I go I, hope someone grabs hold of me and I have to promise I'm grabbing hold of WHO's gone before. The vast majority of human lives. They're just gone. Nobody remembers even to three generations down the road it's easy to start forgetting. And memory has a spiritual dimension in that way to me like there was a title of a piece called. Heaven is being a memory to others and. I just like knowing I'm going to hold on I'm. GonNa Grasp poll. In the last moment, I like that art can do that I. Think it should shoot. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being. Over the last twenty years Dario. Roberta's art has been displayed at galleries and museums across the US. He's also been a creative partner to an ECLECTIC range of projects including the search for extraterrestrial intelligence and university faculties in engineering and euro aesthetics. He was born in San Antonio Texas and currently lives in Houston I spoke with him in two thousand fourteen as part of a series of live events with the Minneapolis. Institute of Art. Great to be back at Minneapolis Institute of Arts feel like I'm an old timer now. So I welcome you. So I've really been looking forward to this for several months as way I planned it. Thank you very much. So if I ask you about the spiritual and religious background of your childhood, where would you start to think about what that means? My grandfather was. A Baptist minister. Didn't grow up around him so much but his his influence definitely was there the Beckham ahead. and. It was definitely a passionate man. My mother religion in the home was not ever really an issue but as. I searched it out on my own. I'd asked. My friends, I come to church. Catholic methodist. Probably. Sampled every church or. A friend I had. So in my childhood. I would say it was very self directed. Maybe we'll always within the background knowing that thing about my grandfather there was still this kind of mysterious thing that I didn't really understand. So maybe it was apparently fueled by. Searching. It's like you know you. You were interested in science your football player. You weren't that kid who everybody thought would grow up to be an artist or that you didn't identity zone yeah. No, it was quite a shock. No. There are two stories that you've told across the years that I I wondered if you would. Tell us, and one of them has to do with your mother. One of them has to do with your father about how you became an artist. You, talk about your mother working in a Honky Tonk in Texas for a while when you were pretty young. And going with her and it really is the whole experience being there with her taking in the people taking a life in that place taking in the music of Patsy cline and others and listening to the Jukebox, and it almost feels like the jukebox was your first art object although you wouldn't have called at that originally. Yes. Credibly. Influential on my life definitely leaves a mark. Three then you're pretty young, right? Yeah. Six, six, seven. and. Their full range of emotional experiences you would imagine in a Honky Tonk, as a six year old. camp. Next to the jukebox watching at plough it really deliver mark and what I mean. You're having patsy Kline Soundtrack. What I'm actually witnessing in the room as she singing about, it made this one to one connection. Between the pop song or the country song or the object and life, and I think that has left a lasting impression on me which ties into science and maybe an unexpected way in that. I want what I do to be metaphor and have a practical I wanted to do something to in life. And then the other stories later on your father was biologist cracked and. It was from Nicaragua and you didn't really spend that much time with him going up. But then. You've told this story about sounds like when you're in your early twenties. You were depressed. Anyone to stay with him in Miami and we have the Beatles to thank you father and the Beatles to thank for you truly having this epiphany. It really I didn't know wouldn't epiphany was until I had one is. Really. It really was that mean within twenty four hours I. Still Don't know how to explain. It was related to this experience of what was clearly deep depression Dow when I look back. Visiting him. Sort of you know every young man has to come to terms of that at some point and I I guess I needed to spend time with them. And really the only thing we could communicate on wor was music and he was a huge Beatles Fan. You pretty much learned English mini and his brothers from Beatles records. Story. That he told me. From the lyrics but I don't know one day he he left and accidentally left Sergeant Pepper, playing on repeat. On the CD. And I was locked in my room and some terrible state and so for twenty four hours, I heard pepper through the muffled wall in the other room and something just changed I don't know how to explain it. But when I came out of the room, I was an artist. And I haven't looked back since and you've said that I mean you did bring out some pastels and paddock paper. And you start first thing I told him was please take me to an art store you did. I wondered have pastels on hand and that shows you to that I. didn't know what it meant to be an artist. So I thought we'll pastels or. Paper I didn't I didn't even know what I. so that was where I started and I I'll never forget that. Every artist has it that blank page and the fear this guttural fear in my stomach like Oh my God anything's possible. I don't know what to do and I was scared and and drawn to it in the same way and I still have that feeling it never goes away. I realized that. No. Toes interesting that both of these stories have music in them music is absolutely central to them. And There's a kinship in you, a kinship with the DJ and the idea of the DJ runs all the way through a lot of art projects you've done over the years. Yes, it's for me to begin to talk about the sacred. Start with music and oddly I never I never learned how to play an instrument and I always one of my great things I'm so envious of to this day. Being in a band and I've never been in a band and I wish so much I had been could have been. Even to this day I. Since I was a little boy to this day. I've kept a journal of potential bad names and song titles. Just in case ever gotten a band that that it because I couldn't instrument I could contribute a great band name right away of. And that's turned into its own art object over the years I found ways to finally get those things out without the music but. Yeah. This is part of I know the science part of my brain wonders what how my wire to lean this way. And actually though some of your earliest sculptures were made from. Grinding Vinyl records is. Like how do you take actual skills of the DJ song selection sampling scratching beat matching just all these things that DJ would do so very simply for example, Daichi of mixing records together I thought well, what if I really melted them in pot and mix them together and what would happen why? Why why did I choose those two songs and? Dj already handled the vinyl as an object as much as an audio experience. So I just kind of took that to an extreme like what if you kept scratching a record until it turned to dust? Kept giving myself these kinds of challenges. So you know there's a phrase there's some phrasing that I really appreciate now of the citizen scientist and this is also language your us because you work with science. The citizen artists. and. So as I was preparing to talk to you I felt like you know you're kind of a DJ slash artist I really also think you are an artist philosopher. And I think that's how I want to draw you out tonight. You know you deal in all your work either directly or indirectly with the big subjects. Life Love. Death. Somebody wrote about you Dario Rope Tow is a resurrection of dead, things. Compliment yeah. Yeah. And you but you don't do and I could imagine that people might. Think. This when they hear about your work, it's not about found objects. It's about as you say alchemy. That's a great distinction sits about the transformation it's about. What was hidden inside of it that only the artists touch could have teased out through alteration and. That's Alchemy went on probably. Thinking of myself and not lineage that. Through transformation of materials that There are other things at stake in the transformation, some of it being spiritual even. Some of it being chemical right Y'all I'm interested in there that gets at the scientists and you know, I'm interested in the molecules of up to spiritual. Everything in between in the material, but also the language of what the material was, which is, why uses term materialist poet that I always try to? Describe your work we start emphasized the role of language in this process. For an object maker. It's a little backwards in that the language often comes first. Rather than the object comes first and then the language. So. Often, I write my title, my materialist is completely worked out before I ever start the object somewhere I. think this is part of. I looked at so much and I didn't keep good notes about where it came from but. This was on a website that was about one of your exhibitions and. It said that you ask yourself questions, jot down instructions or toy with a poetic phrase, which is what you just described for us. And that here's a to do list that you'd call from challenges you predict presented to yourself across the years. Do you remember this list I? I'm just GonNa read a few of them. There are twenty questions or questions or wondering I'd say you know what this reminds me of. Reminds me of? How Einstein said that? His science was all about pursuing wondering right. So like here you said culture dormant bacteria from groups of mothers rock and roll records. That's just really an enduring theme. Did do that? Yeah you did. Number five number six. How do I change the sound of the ocean? Still, working on that okay. How do I rear night a million-year-old raindrop with million-year-old blossom? Did that did you. How. Did you find in? Maryland, million-year-old. Raindrop. So this is the only language could have got me there, and then I have to figure out because I just wrote that. Question, and then you have to pursue the quest and I have to pursue is possible. Does such a thing exist if it does whereas it can I get it so yeah. So for example. million-year-old blossoms exists a trapped in amber, for example. You know it rained tens of thousands of million years ago. A particular raindrop got caught just in the right moment sap was coming out of a tree, and before it had a chance to evaporate another laughs stop formed a perfect air pocket over his amazing and there it is a preserved raindrop from another time and these things exist in the world and I didn't know that until I had just poetically challenged myself language there. This on being today, I'm with the artist philosopher Dario Rolito. It's very hard to talk about art. On the radio. Or even having an room where we're not looking at something. But for example, a project, you had call this a sadness silence can't touch. A small memento box containing six civil war pain bullets, which were the bullets that soldiers. Bit On when they were undergoing surgery. Before the era of painkillers. Made. So what were the just you tell that what they were made from? This is an piece that. Language was being used as a material and the role of the war poet so that we're poets voice is vital memory of a thoughtful reflective mind in an the worst case scenario of what we can produce on the planet and those voices are really important. So those pain bullets may each one's made from a different recording of a war poet? From, different wars. Audiotapes Audio's audiotape melted down was melted down and made into a cast, the original pain bullet. So the painful it's they have marks of soldiers teeth in them. Everybody knows that term bite the bullet? This is where it originates which you've lost context with that history but. It has a much darker background which. They're literally biting on a piece of lead more than likely as amputation occurring. So those remarks as a person sensitive materials and form when I see a tooth mark in a chunk of lead that's been buried in the ground for one hundred and fifty years it says deeply moving to me as anything I've ever seen, but as a form of forgotten form of memory. I wanted to cast it and remake it in the what I think is the power of the poet's voice, and all of these points I should say were chosen because they were forms of protest by the poet. On the Frontline Whitman Tennyson T. S. Eliot Robert Graves Dylan Thomas Sassoon I believe. Yes. Assume. who were all in some way they were speaking to? The gruesome this of which can never be forgotten or lost. I imagined the poets, the force of their voice, moving their mouth, moving their teeth and making new impressions into the bullet. But their their impressions of of protests rather than the original impression made from pain amputation, for example. So it was very specific. Why chose? Language in a form that was made by the mouth, and that also gets at something. That is so evocative that you talk about also as your work as an artist of. Healing back through time. I, mean, which is an amazing thing for any of us to think about I at least for me as an artist my point about I don't I. Don't think I have the right to forget certain things that I think it's a luxury of our time that should be pressed harder against. Every generation of warriors comments on the Gulf they feel when they come back. So. Could I at least try to heal that divide in that? So that's more of A. A metaphorical diet divide, but it's also a real direct psychological could have real world consequence if you could initiate a conversation of between the homefront and the front line. So the healing takes on many forms of my work. How. Did you get interested in war? You know I, mean you. Are Not. Really generation you kind of missed. You missed the Vietnam War more than nine hundred, seventy two. I mean, of course, you live in this post nine eleven world but I'm just curious about this. City, it was nine eleven, nine eleven, and then that also took you back to civil war and World War One. When I get involved in a project I, go all in and I. Thought you know if everybody remembers what was the big question in the moment was why why us there was? Complete confusion about how wide and I was like everybody else's like I realized I, didn't have a good answer. Were you in Houston at that time San Antonio and. I was so frustrated with myself that I couldn't answer that question. So I decided I'm going to make work. As long as the country was at war I thought okay I'm GONNA, make work in response to it because I was grappling with this. What's the artist responsibility in a time of war? Of course nobody knew we were entering the longest word in our history and so a decade later I was still making work about the word but I think what's important about that is You know the news cycle yes. We've been world time in some sense, but the new cycle moves on, but you've actually as an artist. You've continued to hold that reality and also I think the fact that you're doing it in a spirit of. Of a question can you heal back through time you? Know it. The idea of. A sustained meditation on her problem. Seems like this format quickly going out of style. So dot takes on another dimension on time of trying to go against the grain of immediate gratification or short term memory, short-term attention spans, which you know how many have used that brilliant creative ways in their work and. You need to sustain meditation you need those voices on certain problems. Yes, in that mix, any need the you need artist on the front line innocence with the other people in other fields who are also not losing their attention to this problem I really believe that. So I tend to latch on to a topic for many years when I when I commit to something and it's interesting because you when you reflect sometimes about being part of your generation I don't know you gen-x is that Yes I get I can't keep track anymore. I. Don't know. I don't let her it. But you're right the stereotype. Of. GEN-X is not too deep senecal. Yes it is just drove me crazy. I was being lumped in with. A political apathetic. Cynical. Overly. Ironic. Generation, which was. Lazy I think stereotype. And certainly that was there but STORY NO WITH NO GENERATION All that. And I really wanted to push back against the. Push back against it just despite being who you are. I really appreciate you said I. Assume that my viewers are smart and one to engage. Again, that's kind of a counter cultural statement. We're comrades in this. Assuming the best our audiences I like assuming the audience is smart. When pretty much everywhere else in culture I think they think we're stupid I'd rather assume the opposite because that actually changes decisions I make in the studio it has a studio value and how I make an object. Well in that the layers of meaning in my work. That I purposefully put they're hoping that if someone were to want to continue through those layers that I promise, there'd be something interesting. You don't have to go but but the doors open. uh-huh. Before we move on I just want to actually read some very beautiful words that you wrote about. Time and memory you know this subject this long time you have. Time is, of course, doing it steady work on every object of made this complex relationship between the maker, an emotionally invested object and the growing distance between them is not new only rediscovered generation. I love this weather by an artist mourner, a mother or a soldier. Lady you say. You have to let go right loss is about letting go but that we let go with the hope that will grab hold. These objects ask very human moral questions. What right do we have to forget? What do we go to each other's memories? So memory now takes on a moral dimension because. That's why I take it so serious because. When I go hope someone grabs hold of me and but I have to promise I'm grabbing hold of WHO's gone before and I love the memory binds us that way and. Of course, those lines get severed all the time. And I just sometimes they overwhelmed when I think of how many people have ever been on this planet and the actual tiny tiny fraction of them that are actually remembered to this day. Nobody remembers even. To three generations down the road, it's easy to start forgetting. And so memory has a spiritual dimension. In that way to me, there's a title of a piece called them. Heaven as being a memory to others and. Like my grandmother who was deeply close to I remember her deeply every day and when I go probably, no one's GonNa. Remember in that way again. So for the next few decades, her memory is still in a sense life after death this is in a sense what I think memory can do on the planet, but it's going to taper off at some point with her in particular and many of our family members. So I just like knowing, I'm going to hold on I'm GONNA grasp poll hard into the last moment I like that art can do. So I think it should. After a short break more with Dario. Roberto. You can always listen again and kill the unedited version of every show we do on the on being podcast feet wherever podcasts are found. On being is brought to you by the John Templeton Foundation harnessing the power of the sciences to explore the deepest and most perplexing questions facing humankind learn how their grand teas are to address the coronavirus crisis at Templeton Dot Org. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today with the artist philosopher Dario Roberto he explores how ordinary objects in life and in culture can become meditations on love healing and loss. We had this conversation at the Minneapolis Institute of art in Two thousand fourteen. In about ten minutes we're GONNA open up and have some back and forth and see what's on your mind. Before we do that. I'd love to talk about you you alluded to this, but you really do have a cosmic view, right? It's not just about history and you. You're working on this project about the golden record. And somewhere, I saw this described as you know returning to love and memory court were just talking about across vast reaches of time and space. Yes the golden record and it's a big topic for me. I take it. Very, seriously to. Just as a quick preface if you don't know what it is, it's Literally, a gold record attached to the voyager probes that were launched in the late seventy s and cross Sega and had been asked to. Basically. Produce a document of life on earth than he had to do it in the space limitations of a record, which which at the time about two hours of content which think of everybody's phone in here right now has thousands of time more of more power than him and his team had to work with. So, it was just incredible incredible problem of to tell the complexity of the planet through sound image in the space limitations of two hours and on a medium that we ourselves have already long ago got rid of. But in September of just last year voyager. Crossed Milestone. What scientists call the the solar bubble? Essentially entered interstellar space and attached to the side of the probe which had this whole other mission of planetary exploration. But attached to it is the symbol. Record long playing record with our story on it. And what what's on it is much longer story and beautiful one and you've called. Carl Sagan the ultimate DJ and that the Golden Record is the greatest mix tape of humankind piled. It really is and. I mean because of my point earlier about what's at stake with their musical selections this forever is at stake with that record but you bring an artist in and I filled they look at it differently and I was determined to find something. That had been overlooked and I feel confident I did. Can you tell it is well, it's a longer. But. Can't even put it in one of those poetics now sentences. Love survives the death of cells. Yeah. The death of cells I think it's fascinating that you. That love is that thing you on and There's this the philosopher and you also talks about love a lot in a in a very philosophical poetic way. There's a sentence that you repeat and you actually use this in the context of the golden record with nothing to risk love can't exist. Tell us what that sentence means to you. Well, I can very specifically also honky-tonk memory. During those years I remember just being floored when I read. In Ripley's believe it or not. So somewhere I don I don't quite remember what it was but every, and it's become this urban myth of the mother who lifts a car off their child who's WHO's been injured. And I remember reading that and just being. I was shocked and that. You know in my young mind. Sitting at a Honky Tonk, vim mixing with all the other songs on that Jukebox. I see now started to turn into a philosophy which I feel like I'm more fully exploring today. But. God. It was mysterious in youth when when I realized that. Loving something can actually physically change your body and doubt that connection the my science mine again comes in as far as. That something abstract had a real world consequence. So I love my child and then I turned into the incredible hulk. To to live this car off them. And Yeah I think I mean it's so simple but it's an important thing that you something has to be risks. Something's got to be on the line to. Reveal these I think much more strange complicated parts of love. That I'm more interested in. Because he say love and it's Our minds go to cliche often but no, it's really weird strange if you know where to look and it's on these weird edges of love when it's at risk and the things people will do in that moment that I find tell this beautiful alternate history of aesthetics like I like to say that if you could put on the table everything, anyone's ever made in a moment of loss. The DOT would tell us beautiful history of aesthetics and creativity as the proper art history that we all. But that discussion doesn't happen in art history. The. People making it are artists or it's just it's all of us. When push comes to shove? What would you do? What could you make? What are you capable of and? Something has to be at risk. So I'm interested in the creative response that comes. In often it's some form of love that we didn't see coming until that happened. There was a project you did. Called lunch for love as if it were air Thank also had that story. Yes and it's DNA. I like. My titles that I wrote it was actually a song title in my Song Title List. So. These might titles have become they find their form finally, my objects even though I thought, they'd be for a band. So, in a way they I still released them in a way. Yeah. So I think there's some microphones wandering around that we can pass around. Oh here it is. I like this method I was saying beforehand because I think the format where you have the microphones up here. And people have to come to the microphone privileges the extroverts in the room. And so I want to encourage. introverts to raise your hand and you don't have to be too conspicuous. The microphone will come to you. Yes. It seems like a lot of your work has to do with. Materials and material objects. And I'm just wondering how you feel about a world that seems like it's increasingly digital and has a lot of information that's not necessarily. Embodied in physical objects. I'm definitely not a anti technology. Back in the old day kind of guy. I always resist going down that road, but for example. The past several years, the only growth industry and music has been the cell of vinyl records. And I find this these kind of forgotten little charts, indicators of something deeper, happening and culture because I was wondering. What would the Dario Roberto of today? You might not grind vinyl records to me what would you do crying dead ipods dust or something Yeah No. No It's not the same. Yeah. But but I I suspect people will surprise us in how they saw answer this question in ways we don't know yet which I always I never worries me about this this question because. It's just too human to need do attach emotions to things and. A quick little anecdote, a tear ipod point that really floored me that happened recently. A group of students I was talking to. One of the students mentioned. That his father was had willed to him, his record collection and. How touchy was by and the other students were sort of making fun of them like you gotta carry that in life now, like they were thinking of it as a burden, a physical burden, the to carry records it in life and I had this impromptu thought I asked them has everybody had an ipod, of course, everybody raised their hand. And I said has everybody had several IPODS everybody raised their hands and I said how many of you could see a day when you will your ipod collection to your child nobody raise their hand. And it was so interesting instinctually they knew that seemed odd. And I don't know what to make of that. I'm just saying that. There's weird things like that. That will happen that I would be excited to see how we solve in the future. Whereas microphone. Your hand okay. I really appreciate the way that you honor the spirit of your material that you're working with and. I like the way you've talked about memory particularly I'm interested in memory of water and I was wondering what it felt like when you reunited that million-year-old water drop with million-year-old blossom. What did it feel like? Well. We'd like to know what it felt like to the water droplets. It's Being Articulate and then I stumble here because it's I. Don't know. There's still this area where I don't have quite the words for it sometimes. I prepped so long I looked so hard. So. Much time energy went into finding that raindrop and that blossom. And then the moment comes when they're together again and. It's I don't know I don't know how to explain. It. I couldn't have done it. As I mentioned earlier, what do I need to do to earn the respect of that material and all those things that I did to get to that moment? Produce this sensation that's hard for me to describe. So I'm sorry stumbling on that. Moment. Though where you brought them together I mean. Your idea was to bring them together again to. have. This question I like to ask about can art finish something that never got finished and. In this way, it was, could that drop finish hitting that blossom all these years later So that those manifestation of that question and that that questions propelled many artworks can art finish something that's never that never got finished the leads to these kinds of interactions. I'm cassette tape it, and this is on being today I'm with the artist philosopher Dario wrote auto we're taking questions from the audience. I think it's true that there's this common perception that art connects us with the. In a way that art is a self expression and so the kind of ideas it's a, it's a way to get inside the head. When I look at your work, and then I listened the way you describe it it feels like instead of connecting us with you, it connects us with other lives. and. Another way I was thinking about it is is when I've looked at your work. It's almost like walking into a natural history museum and that I'm connecting with something else kind of bigger or other lives or something distant. How do you? How do you think about the role of the self in the artwork? Do you consciously try to erase or cover up? To me, this is a fundamental question about because as most artist, we tap into our own history as a starting point many young artists do that and. Patsy Kline is we believe her because she's singing about her heartbreak and. That's why counts. My relationship to those histories that I'm often referencing the work It the dynamics different it can't be about me I mean I making it I'm initiating it but. The point is not me and I do try to taper out myself. As much as I can because it's not especially when we're talking about the suffering of war. Come on how can how can I even pretend to know? So so dancer you, I do try to taper out my voice in that way because the because the narrative I'm trying to talk about is what I want all the attention on. But then I made the object. Artists can never remove themselves totally from So it's it's not always possible but I would think that it must please you to hear someone describe your work that way. Your work connects our lives with other lives. It really does because the site. Young. Artists that I work with the. Why should anybody care about your problem of? And when you make work about that problem and I think every artist should be hard themselves about that. and. That's why someone like Billie holiday or Patsy Kline have done this. They somehow solve this riddle of. Singing about their own experience, but it means but it was all of our experience and I mean, that's like this puzzle I'll always be trying to figure out. How you tap into the personal. But it's meant to be for the public. Interaction and in meaning. The microphone over here somewhere right here. You had mentioned earlier. Found intriguing and it. Just. KINDA got Calistoga. Being very badly depressed when you were younger and visiting Your Dad and having this experience in the room with hearing sergeant peppers and you came out and you were an artist. And it seemed like I, guess, the way my mind thought it was like well, that must also that you are very depressing you came out of the woman you weren't depressed anymore. I don't know if that resolves as quickly as becoming an artist, but I just was wondering if you could speak a little bit more on What was that kilter that was causing that depression and had did that resolve? This is one of those topics were afraid to talk about. It shouldn't be at all and I really believe that. But I hesitate because. It's related to the previous question where I don't what my work to be about that. But clearly. When I look back it was depression absolutely but I mean five years old it was a constant. In life and I just didn't understand what it was and it has never gone away. If anything I'm an artist because. Partly I need it gives me away to harness it. To funnel it into something. That takes beyond my own problem as I was saying. But I didn't. When I left the room, it was still there and it just had a purpose. Didn't have before and I struggle every day to keep that purpose onsite. But there's nothing like. Reading a story of a civil war soldier carving their leg from scratch the will set you straight very quickly on your own personal depression. And I constantly looking for those narratives to help put things in perspective. You talk a lot about. Your lifelong fascination with survival. And the human creative response to loss and it sounds to me like that's a huge root for you of of that in your own life young. If I had to say in one word, what's the overarching theme of my work, its survival, and then divides off until these other things but. Yeah, the two terms I like to use the the logic of loss and the creative response to loss as histories that crossover culture and time that speak to something basically human that. Every era every culture deals with grief and mourning and loss in. The creativity was the response to the loss to the loss insisted on some sort of aesthetic. Writing Point making an object something. So that that notion that loss and lover connected at some fundamental level like that find just beautifully human or even I think as you talk about memory, you know intentional memories itself a creative response to last. Yes. Memory L. memory is one of our. Artists. It's a tool. So what against decay and against? Loss being permanent and that's a very human thing to want to struggle against that. You are also working more recently on. A project called the boundary of life is quietly crossed. which does come a bit to this notion of the big philosophical? Existential reality of death. And my understanding is that. A kind of central Motif for that is Your experience of your grandmother's heartbeat as she died. Saturday. Yes I had the woods clearly now seems like a privilege of. Of being by her as she passed away and Just instinctually put my hand on her chest and I'll never forget those last five beats and. What they felt like. and. Deeply changed me and. The time span between the last beat up to the moment we're sitting here. Is a very distinct space I feel. Because he always assume there's a beat after the last one and then. The brain realizing that's not coming is something I still grapple with and but I think what hit me is the hardest and that moment was that. I didn't know anything about the heart and it was like nine eleven in that I thought how am I ever GonNa understand this experience if I don't understand the heart It's cultural history. It's mechanics. That's I mean everything. So right now I'm in this long. Process of trying to answer to myself. That question what is what is the heart mean? They're largely unexplored history of the human heartbeat young and as usual there's one hundred things that nobody knows about the I'm sure nobody knows that. That are fascinating about the story about the known history of the human heartbeat that originates with her definitely. It's it's moving to think about that's moving to think about you with your grandmother because now you know anyone who has a baby now It's one of the first things that happens that you hear the heartbeat is so. Incredibly exciting thrilling beyond measure. But really when you tell a story about being with your grandmother and hearing her last five heartbeats. I think that kind of comes back to some of these driving questions. In your work does art have the power to fix something that never got fixed to correct a wrong? That's never been resolved. What can art do anymore. I wonder just in closing if you would talk a little bit about how those questions and how you live those questions changes as you go through life and changes, you James how you live your life. My idealism has not budged at all and I don not gonNA. Let a bunch I love the nonsense that seems like when you when you hear an artist, say art can change the world. And I don't care if it's true or not I I like believing in it and because it changes how you make things and some constantly trying to find ways. To still create objects that there's something at stake with them in, of course, changes me and the process, and in no way my suggesting I'm there or did I'm ever going to get there but that's almost not the point. The point is the struggle to keep trying to find it. Did I don't know if that thirty so well yeah. No, it does and I think the peace you didn't say is then to here, come back at you you know. The idea that then you have created objects that join our life with other lives. I hope that happens you never know. The artist in May keeps trying for that to happen. Well Daria. Roy blasio citizen Dj. Philosopher. Artists. It's been a pleasure to be in your company tonight. Thank you so much. Dario Roberto is currently an artist at large at the McCormick School of Engineering of Northwestern University. 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#892: The Lost Plane

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#892: The Lost Plane

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Samuel Adams since nineteen Eighty-four brewing. Boston lager for over a month. Using only one hundred percent, heirloom hops, glorious inefficiency in every sip. The Boston beer company. Boston mass savor the flavor responsibly. Early morning last December Dario sin greeny and his girlfriend were heading to the Dubai airport for the first leg of an epic vacation Norway today and Mark to Spain to Scotland to England and then to Germany through France, also Liechtenstein and Bulgaria they're both teachers so they were on a budget, but tickets on Norwegian air, which is basically the spirit airlines of international travel to got on the plane Dario settles into the seat next to his girlfriend and the plane takes off MacArthur. She's got our I'm Osco and sleep in a way, I'm kind of dozing and then him to describe the clean Kennedy jerked to the left. It was like, you know, how if you're in a car crash into the state of you. Yeah. That that was kind of the pill failed. He looks out the window and he sees they're flying pretty close to the mountains. Like a lot lower than you'd expect. And then things get worse. Depleting stocks to Bank left Bank raping left buying rate. We're over water at this point. Oh my God. So I thought something's not quite right here. The pilot comes over the intercom and says, yeah. But definitely got seven engine issue. He sits up and looks at the girl across the aisle. She's crying pogo just percentet`y yours, and she was grabbing onto failure. Quite what the captain says next is pretty disconcerting. We are just going to do it. But when emergency London and Iran. Everyone was like what we're going to Iraq. I will I really to do that. Because that safe is that okay? Hello and welcome to planet money. I'm Karen deafen. Nick daunton. Are they allowed to do that is it? Okay. Put your seat backs in the upright and locked position secure your engine mass before assisting others and fasten your seatbelts today on the show, we go with Dario into Iran where we land in the middle of one of the most contentious fights in the world right now. For decades, the US allies have cut off on from the rest of the world using sanctions. So this plane can land in Iran, but getting out will be much more complicated. Support for planet money and the following message. Come from American Express, you've got big ideas for your business but figuring out how to make them happen can be a real challenge. Well, the answer may be as simple as American Express financing solutions. They have over four thousand specialists who can help find the right solution for your business chat with them today to see if you're eligible, so you can get your plans up and running the powerful backing of American Express don't do business without it terms apply. Learn more at American Express dot com slash business. Hey, it's Garros here. And on the next episode of how I built this how one man reinventing airline travel again, and again, and again to create one of the most innovative airlines in the US jet. Blue check out David Neelam. It's amazing story on our podcast. How I built this. Flights like Dario is heading from Dubai to Europe have a difficult choice of how to get there. You're going direct line. And you're flying right over Iraq in Syria, not grades. So you can either go way out of your way over Egypt or go more direct and fly over on. Most airlines choose Ron including Norwegian so back on Dario FO's flight the pilot see the low oil warning light. And they shut off the engine. Don't worry. There's two engines they turned toward the nearest airport in Sharon, Iran, and they land the plane, and it was with a note the best launching and Anita win I've ever been on smooth landing with only one engine DAT is something that Norwegian air knows how to do anywhere in the world. But everything else beyond that in Iran is the question Mark, Norwegian air has never landed in Iran before they don't have any business relationships in Iran. None of the passengers even have visas. The taxi to the gate, everyone gets out of the airplane. And at that point the flight crew huddles with some Iranians in the airport, and they're dealing with two problems. Here I is getting the passengers onto their final destination and the second is to fix the airplane. So it can go back to making money for Norwegian one hour turns into three hours four hours. And finally, the captain comes back and says all right? Here's what we're gonna do. So we've obviously been in a situation that she's uncharted territory. So what's going to happen as we're going to take you to the hotel when catch you, you'd don't have visa for Iran? So the delicious need to leave your passport at the airport. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Everyone's like I've seen this movie. And it does not end. Well, yeah. No one is thrilled about this. But they don't have a choice. So Dario hands off his passport and everyone heads to hotel. They're kind of surprised by where they end up because you know, they flew in on a budget airline, but the hotel that they go to it was obsolete. Lush people were super friendly. Welcome to then there was a gentleman played the piano, which was release. And then there was just, you know, a movie of food drinks, but Dario is tired. He just heads to bed. He's actually really happy to be there. He told us he can now check her on off his list. Not everyone is thrilled to be stuck in Iran. We all around the lobby ages basically complaining of this is Liam mckenry. He was also on the flight with his girlfriend. He's from Ireland says a lot of the passengers were Irish or Scottish rear life. If if we can have some few drinks, we would all the Irish day. We said we could have had a great night. But there was no bar 'cause it's legal to drink in around. And it's all like these lads can just go check out the local attractions. In fact, they can't even cross the street I had really bad headache. So there was a pharmacy straight across I kinda go, and they're like you aren't allowed with no one was allowed to leave the hotel because we had no visas for the country sober and exhausted. Liam goes to bed in the morning. A new plane has finally arrived to pick them up. But one last thing before they head to the airport. Someone asks the women in the group to cover their hair because that's the law in Iran, and the hotel helps them out they improvise the hotel providers. It seemed like old bedsheets his girlfriend put one on it looks ridiculous on her because it was the sheet was like huge, and she's got really smart head from their Dario says the hotel staff bid them, farewell. But they did have just one final request. Oh, the hotel staffer lanes up. They are they were handed fly. Floors, you know, thanking us for coming to visit hotel and thank goodness for coming Iran. You know, as if we had the choice can we go into Trump? And and and, you know, tell them about the expedience they go to the airport, and they are local celebrities by this point, people are shaking their hands. People are handing them magnets that say welcome to Iran on them and they get on the plane and leave the passengers got out on replacement plane. But now Norwegian has a much bigger problem that plane they flew in on needs its engine fixed and US sanctions are going to make that berry hard to do. They have turned a run into like, the hotel, California for this airplane can land there, but can ever leave after the break. We will try to figure that out. Support for this podcast and the following message come from the new Capital One saver card now when you go out you cash in earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment to percents at grocery stores and one percents on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? I might gain a Hosa and next time on USA you've heard about it plenty of times before and it's often being criticized its NAFTA, the North American Free trade agreement we look into its history and its impact in Mexico where the Saint people who used to buy their food at a local mid Gallo. Now, just visit the closest WalMart that's next time on USA. There is one person who kind of wished he was there in Iran with Dario and Liam Dini Constantinescu's deans in aviation consultant worked at virgin airlines for decade has this pilot license and also just follows this stuff all the time. So he'd been following the plane wall. This was all happening. In fact, he is the reason we know about Iran is such a an interesting aviation space for an aviation. Geek, those people literally go to Iran just to fly on a handful of aircraft that you just can't fly on anymore. If you love fifty four Chevys you go to Cuba. If your thing is classic airplanes, you go to Iran, some of the planes in Iran have been flying for twenty thirty even forty years because of the sanctions that existed for so long all these classic aeroplanes seventy seven seventy seven's had been flying around any Ron a long period of time. Sanctions that created this aviation time capsule were put in place after the Iranian revolution. In nineteen seventy nine. And then tightened in the nineties to try to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, they were then briefly lifted under a deal that we've all heard about the nuclear deal brokered in two thousand fifteen and Ronin aviation Olmos made it into the twenty first century right at that moment right after the sanctions lifted Iran ordered thirty nine billion dollars of planes from Boeing Airbus. But then in two thousand seventeen the sanctions were reinstated after President Trump withdrew the US from the deal. And so he Boeing didn't even stop manufacturing the airplanes that were in order for those airlines that was a loss minute. Dash. I think in the twenty four hours leading up to the embargo kicking in where I think boss ferreting around six eight seventy two et Croff just in trail economic behind each other just to get them in. Okay. We're not exactly sure when they were delivered, but the planes that made it into Iran where three from Airbus and thirteen from another manufacturer. So. So here's where we are. Norwegian needs to fix its engine. But under the sanctions, you can't import technology with more than ten percent American made parts, and if they want, you know, a hall pass from the US government, if they want an exception to that rule their first call will be to the treasury department or specifically the office of foreign assets control or OPEC about that the treasury department office of foreign asset control, call center is currently closed due to the government shutdown. Yeah. The majority of the time that this plane has been stuck in Iran. The US government was shut down. But it's safe to say that Norwegian did not just sit around they probably called a few lawyers who know how to navigate sanctions. So we called one to his name is Eric Ferrari, I feel like for every case that you work on you must have one of those lake serial killer wells with with red yarn and like. And like. Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot that goes into it getting an exemption to international sanctions is surprise complicated. So we're going to simplify into three options. The first one read the fine print there are some exemptions. That are written directly into the sanctions you're able to just proceed so long as you're able to prove that all the conditions are met. But triple check if you're wrong, you'll get big fines and possibly even jail. And we can assume that Norwegian has already done this read the fine print. We did call them. They understandably did not want to get into detail with us, which brings us to number two. Let's say, and we don't know this definitively that Norwegian needs an entirely new engine. If some other countries say Germany has this engine. Norway can borrow it for like a one time pass into a run but intentions matter here. Norway can't just call Germany and ask them to buy an engine Germany has to just randomly have it. They're lying around which. If we're being honest is a bit of a long shot. So those first two options are basically legal loopholes. The third one is where you straight up ask the US government, for an exception fach has wide discretion to grant. Licenses if there's a determination made that it's in the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States do so national security and foreign policy or the keywords there as much as Norwegian wants to say come on fact, we're losing money out here. I mean, it's inherent in sanctioning that somebody's going to lose money the point. Right. So if he were working on this case, then he were going for the pretty pleased exemption, Eric says, he would write a letter that is basically dear fac, if you don't grant us, this exemption this plane stays in Iran, and that is not the purpose of sanctions also PS if you let the plane stay there for too long. You don't have any control over what might happen to that plane if we get confiscated or seized by the government. So like if you want to be the ones to give her on a brand new fancy plane that you created sanctions specifically to prevent them from getting, you know, be our guests go for it. Obviously, this is not what the sanctions are trying to do. The US is not trying to disincentivize pilots for making safe emergency landings. They're also not trying to keep this one hundred million dollar airplane owned by one of our allies stuck on a tarmac in Iran, losing by one estimate half a million dollars every month. It's there, but this is the thing about US sanctions, the US casts a very wide net. The sanctions don't just punish Iran. They're meant to actually cut off around from the rest of the world. And the way they do that is by penalizing anyone from anywhere who tries to do business with Iran, which is how the United States got in the middle of Norwegians business, and Dr ios vacation. Now that the US government is at long last open. Norwegian can start down this long and complicated path. But as we sit here recording this the plane is still in Iran Dario and his fellow passengers they did get out of Iran, but not without complications few minutes after they took off in. This is your captain speaking. Chew to the increased capacity of people on board on the stronger than expected headwinds. We actually don't have enough you, and we're going to have to do another Mitch cylinder, and we're going to stop off in in this thing. Yeah. Apparently because new crew had fly the plane in there were just too many people on board your like really now are you just breaking us? Everybody, pasta laughing. Everyone's just like look at each. Of course was not enough. You of course, you need to do another emergency. Landon. Why no after that just turned into party? And then there was a couple of Irish people in front of us. And they went a portable speaker. Then people started saying in. There was a whole signal on good on Christmas music often during the plane. So it was you know, people were conducted from the front of the plane into the back of the plane. I feel like Norwegian got pretty lucky here. Like, this is kind of the worst possible customer service international relations nightmare, and they get a bunch of like chill Irish and Scottish people like Dario onboard. Yeah, it was there. One stroke of luck. Yeah. Absolutely. Few of the chance to go on a plane. This engine failure to London Ron I see tika gopher. I will I will take that under advisement. Hey, you know, dean deflate nerd who kind of wished. He was on that plane. He's actually a planet money listener sent an Email to planet money NPR dot org, and it became this whole story. So thanks to the and thanks in advance to you, please. Whenever you see something strange happening out there in the world, send us a note planet money at NPR dot org. Today's episode was produced by Darren woods are supervising. Producer is out. Scold? Mark our editor is Bryant earth stat especial, thanks to our intern Rachel Cohn who did excellent research on this story. Thank you. Rachel. We also want to thank Dr ES RAFI on FM DR. Batman Geller, Holly digress. Bob, man. The fine folks of Norwegian air who spoke with us on background. Also, the people at O fach who did get back to us, despite we are sure a huge post shutdown backlog. I'm Nick fountain. And I'm Karen Duffin. Thanks for listening. This message comes from NPR sponsor Comcast. 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37. Dario Carrion Returns!

The Basement Diaries

57:50 min | 1 year ago

37. Dario Carrion Returns!

"Hello and welcome to the basement diaries it's been a while since I've said that we are back for a new collection and it's going to be a really right season guys I'm really excited we have Dario carry on on the show today he has been on here before if you have listened to the first season you probably heard I don't have to get a guest in every single week but there will still be content so that's the main thing right is keep that content original conversation which I'm really excited to show everybody but yeah here we are a new season and I think it's GonNa be a really fun time Roland I'm really excited for the season though we have some really good guests coming up that I'm excited to reveal and time but yeah in this first episode I also next week I'm going to be talking about my birthday it's my birthday tomorrow I'm going to have some reflections on that would be a crime if I didn't post it so this is the whole added episode it's about an additional twenty five minutes to the AH so stay tuned for that next week and yeah hope you enjoy this new collection of the basement dire is here is Dario eh cheering us on to me from the back yeah doing with West downloads per episode where do let's check in with West what's so we haven't talked to each other and no area okay welcome to check in with West the biweekly podcast where I talk about whatever I feel like I have a guest today with me in call for an agency and I did my monologue was this for meals for monologues no it was for it was for a smaller agency but they mm-hmm when I was on hiatus for the basement diaries and I'm going to combine those two now I'm going to combine the basement diaries and check in with West so on Tuesday three other Tuesday I'm going to do an interview and then on the Tuesdays in between I'm going to do the checking in northwest episodes it's just easier on me you know best when we did an upset of checking in with wes but I didn't release the whole episode because we had a great like twenty minute riff session at the beginning that here I should have seen like that I just went mm some changes that were making to the show if you are familiar with checking in with us it was a biweekly podcast that I did kind of in the interior his name is Dario is I don't know it's been a while since I've seen it I can't remember thanks for flashing me there for the so you got to stop doing that the stomach comfortable maybe a little bit yeah this is really good always I got I got asked to do that at an audition Oh yeah you told me Oh did I tell you that we know yes and yes but I've been trying to cut back on it because like I usually prefer beer if I'm like going to the beach like going to a pub with friends again weirded out and did you set the scene like imagine you're on a flight from La to New York and you're trying to get some we've talked but we haven't seen and we hung out with each other price and the cat's been a few months was that the last time we did the podcast Yes yes yes I think so yeah yeah yeah because we went to target the right that's Claire and we kept crying like babies or if you're making the crime there's a little humid better the listeners all Dario just keeps like raising it's a little humid I might just do the shirtless I see you got your Beach Appeals Kinda go oh yeah yeah my miss six pack of worth of beer in funding they lose right into it though I just didn't even like I'd get up furious from my from my almost lumber and that's why I know that so we're we're actually here to talk about topic crybaby okay I can also do one probably it's okay let's hear it probably not when you've been drinking a lot of medals this summer yes and yes and yes it's a little humid down here but I'm I'm trying to we gotta fans one fan are many fans are down here and I also think there's a law like you can only have babies on sat for like an hour and then you have to switch babies so be sitting right there and they call it was at that bag bond movie studios the Arts Yeah and I did my monologue they didn't seem too impressed by gene okay maybe some kitty cocktail exactly and then so Ooh it does well I just imagined little kid at that time how did that go curious well it was really funny I literally think that's what got me a meeting with this agent as is that I went to this a Lotta switching babies apparently that makes sense but in hindsight also taken out of context it just sounds Super Fuck Abe's onset and you can only have them for like a certain amount of time they could like dire whatever yeah they could die or whatever and the worst that's crazy so what did they say she was like Oh my God that's amazing where did you pick that up from and I was like oh just someone from you know just something when I'm bored she asked me to do she's like Oh see you can do a very convincing baby cry and I'm like yeah and it's just like can I see it like Shir did it ready to good sleep I wish I did that and then all of a sudden you're like getting to the to the point of where you're about to fall asleep like your eyes are slowly causing and all of a sudden he the flight for Delta for focusing Delta I would imagine that something like people would need because you can't really just it's expensive Dab I agent meeting from doing a baby cry it's like wow put it on work I'm sure that was it nothing to do with them I think as much now as you know in the past but definitely definitely still like there is pressure like oh I'm thirty years old Vigne kids just get turned off by because I have a get turned on by kids okay who deodorant and you're you're also getting some berries you're gonNa make some cocktails smit you're going to pick up pick up some grenadier ah I should just said I get turned off by the idea of having this is a completely different podcast you're you're gonNA you're enjoying the music they're playing over the own business business and then along comes a car with a B A- As you think okay let me see okay so we're in a grocery store Oh okay you're getting you know you're getting a few things it's on your list you've got a sham host the idea but I also don't where I'm currently at in my life I don't feel accomplished of the things that I've been wanting to do that like lady friends I think it's different for women Oh yeah because they had that biological response to it yeah the only clearly I don't intend to have any kids in the near future that's not a disservice to that child because I I don't think I would be fully present it because I would still be focused on myself rather than absolute like the time so I get out of my face you Chancellor Chandler Daddy Eddie you go go to your room or something I love how derailed Things that I wanted to do yeah I don't think having children is like one of the very last things on my mind or like limited amount of time if they WANNA have kids Oh yeah certain timeframe between ages or whatever but I don't yeah I don't I think I've thought about the way back burner I feel the same way like there's still so much I wanna do like I wouldn't want I feel like if I had a kid I would be doing and you think about very often I think about it tourney seven yeah twenty seven schodler almost also sounds like the like a showed in a toddler gives the kids being really fucking annoying or something just fucking Chad certifications on my wrist emails emails text messages the whole thing is that annoy what is that annoying sometimes being baby switching babies for a lot of these shots people have no idea was awesome and then yeah a years to thirty yeah and then you gotta have a kid no it's not a law a lot of people tend to go that route yeah yeah I mean no I don't have anywhere to be to later but I am I have an Apple Watch I'm wearing my apple watch and I get heard I find things that I can that I think is weirdly enough is what exactly and then and then they called me in for meeting and that was school that was like vibrates it sounds like a little birdie pulse to your dearest and you know I in hindsight I don't really need it yeah it's more of a obviously a luxury or something I really liked to have it keeps me on track with exercise up in between like eleven thousand twelve thousand my goal it should be higher but being real with myself I have kids or not you know yeah I had it this conversational awhile ago with my friend and roommate lauren and the good old garbage do you have somewhere to be the devil's I watch she's like and yeah there's Times turn off especially when I'm at work and I wear it because it gets distracting because like like all it does is like now this season okay so a base may go aries fucking murder mystery old this has become those are the best conversation honestly those are the ones renite love conversations where you have commentary about the conversation Whoa it's a podcast inception and then later people will be talking about this podcast yeah because of a target about the things that we were verbis for selfish with yeah it'd be like I want to go play I'm like well I want to watch the next season of black mirror so I don't have money yeah well have you done any drugs recently have done nothing besides you know something's going on I just talked to her earlier today my Stepdad's birthday and so she's like she's like the in you know like where you're like we're doing now it's like Super Meta where we're like were commenting about what we're talking about yeah yeah totally about everyday yeah that's pretty good though I feel like most I think the average is like five thousand yeah that's it that I think in comparison to yours sounds more like a newborn infant gile combined child and toddler job I think that's I think that's a good term all right well next kid L. Call Yeah this is yours I think is like already like more of like a Bratty Cha Yan schodler function shop blur talking about the podcast yeah and then talking about what they're talking about because we did it yeah yeah okay okay adult versions of toddlers hey do you mind grabbing my charger it's probably shows you why we have such an epidemic with obesity overweight issues. Yeah the Roy do you play it sounds like a Kazoo oh that's good counting my steps the amount of miles how many how many steps do you usually get today on average I think it's about a conversation even the random noises you make while I'm grabbing my charger rhythms sexual it's what the listeners speaking of technology I know we're trying to get on topic don't don't even worry we will we will get to we'll get there I guess I'm just going which is hard in our age but I I've been catching up on a black mirror yeah that's what I tell myself I could really use that baby cry that noise for for commercial we have coming up well her nose taken a giant shit this title that's more unique for sure I like that what was I oh looking you're looking very fit these days not as fit as I could be thank you I appreciate yeah they take the complex take the don't just yes no I think it's that thing where parents still see you as an irresponsible job ler of the these are like yesterday and today five is our vibes out I saw all three of those episodes which are you call I already did I've talked with him that sounds like something my mom would deal like right you know instead of coming thank you so much and then you could return common you know yeah exactly but you know or like how to make a murderer version of no I just I don't know I know I I'm not kind of jumped in late on the bandwagon yeah see I I haven't really seen I've seen a few episodes here and thereby haven't seen any of the new ones so I decided honestly I haven't talked to you for a while the I know it's nice just to catch up ref and catching up yeah to do shooting the shared really good and I've never I've only seen from the F- The last couple of episodes of the fourth season and then all the three episodes of the fifth season looking at my phone because I was bored and being this podcast or because like why because I got a text messages from my mom and I mean it's your mom back that's like my thing just random noises they'll still be on the yeah on the podcast it's not it's not virtual reality it's like the they like they like use your brain Asha something I'm trying to work on more me too I do that all the time we ever somebody gives me a compliment my instinct is to complement back and memories you have like makes it very personal experience and I'm trying to I'm trying to say things without ruining anything we now but you know that's part of that's part of the experience I wanNA create is like you're here with US basement as we're doing this and you're hearing the unfiltered he's you're you're putting this like almost like fear survival situation and opposite from should those those last this last three on the fifth season are are are obviously they're kind of fucked up because it's black mirror it's like there's technology in I mean I think that's the point of Black Mirror correct me if I'm wrong like just kind of you know what a different world would be like premises that there's one that I that I just finished watching the second to last episode of the fourth season everything everything is like looks very real like things you're afraid of like come to life it's it's it's super fucked up I was talking about technology because it was like China I'm trying not to I'm trying to stray away from looking at a screen yeah promotes the day yeah also very introspective and then one of those where like technology is bad yet and a lot of them are about technology this guy like yeah like yes you sound cool idea but yeah or maybe that's the point they're trying to make is like no matter what you choose maybe episode but disguise gets like he volunteers to try out this new Beta version of this video game and came maybe this will be the first thing you're gonNA leave that anybody who's listening is like what the fuck very personalized experience where like the like the the system draws from your own experiences in memory there's always going to be a finite ending or something arena freedoms already kind of fade is already been decided you should the plot of the story depends where the story goes depends on your own actions and decisions which I think was like kind of bullshit because drinking caffeine how everyone in the world is basically addicted to it that's so true that's something I think about all the time like I was trying to Komo all right so excel's right does enough about my fucking technology which is the title of our next podcast to do shootings Shyam sure that's the title of a podcast throw like that is the most some version of that yeah Hutus the most generic title term maybe ostler's is to shift to your child visit running out of battery yeah taking a little pause here it's okay you'll now it's unedited off in the mornings and no caffeine like after been pm or whatever and I still get withdraws during the actor Ah I forgot the name of the episode but it's it has to do with this like hyper reality video game like it try to catch up like mentally and oh yeah and things are going on around me what's everybody else watching nowadays exactly but yeah anything obviously but it's still a stimulant then it's still you know millions of people have dependents you know withdrawals are really cool though did you see banner snitch identity now at that was like the interactive one right that was like we're like the characters failure oh is that like you could only use it for like getting in touch with people from touching recalling yeah then sometimes looking at your depending on the version at this point a couple of weeks ago and Kinda failed equating is trying to equate like using caffeine using hard drugs as not quite the same almost led you to make the choices that you were supposed to make yeah oh you always end up in the same that's kind of what I heard your email the ad like the what was it the razor good okay let's start in twenty minutes Offi it was my life blood still is black and sweet like a lot of sugar sugar yeah I used to and then I just into kind of taps into your deepest fear Oh yeah it does yeah like in a twisted like stat in the game man yeah yeah and finally getting to the topic so we're been on topic we've talked Yeah yeah no we're good we're talking about caffeine intake yeah you should get into it I I have two days off during the week for the most part sometimes I have like three days off but like on those days like I really just kind of like right now and I kind of like it because I don't use it it sucks miss about having flip phones cut it back to the morning during breakfast it was like later on during the day my body was Kinda yearning for another Cup Yeah Yeah I know I've talked to you before about you had kind of like a an energy boosting supplement that he is which is what I'm drinking so I used to have at least one cup of coffee during the day and that was in the morning when I will wake up with breakfast and then maybe she has a plays a part in our lives or whatever yeah definitely I know it's it's really good I like all the ones like I would spoil anything my soul over to black coffee too yeah I was like I'm okay with just how you are I don't need to I said like I have one or two like drink cups of this a day in and I don't drink I haven't drink coffee it doesn't really affect my sl- it probably does affect my sleep in terms of like how deep I'm sleeping or absolute but it's just not like thing I accept you for who you are but yeah I wanted to talk about this because it's something I'm trying to reduce most I would do like three cups a day like I would that would be that'd be it and then I was like maybe I'm drinking too much because I I wouldn't be that's the issue for me I can drink coffee like at eight PM still go to bed so that's the problem for me introduced me to this powder natural energy a supplement it's called I guess if and it has a jeters not that you're good good question tea green tea extract and like there's a bunch of other like Niacin like weird names for vitamins that your body already produces naturally long-sleeve until I three in the morning show on like you know maybe that was inside start cutting back and then I like immediately noticed when I just readily apparent on the surface how much it's affecting my sleeping so it's hard for me to give it up because I'm like well if if it ain't broken now what is it that you drink and how has that helped you kind of reduce your coffee intake yes absolutely we're to the point where his interview I just love him so much I had to have him back and I always love talking to I had this is actually a conversation we had earlier back in August yeah 'cause lower he used to like drinking to become sir four cups a day or something yeah I would say like two or three four Max but of just coffee on me okay black they come in these like little like powder packages on that you just mix with water like with I it's twelve ounces of water and then bill like The Times of the day that I've gone without caffeine like I get like Oh my God me too what I've been trying to do recently as just that a little bit yeah I was like looking at my phone and my watch used to scream and now my my phone doesn't work that well like kick of caffeine in general not just coffee and then I would get a headache like mid afternoon and it'd be like what the fuck go and then and then I would take Jio is listening to this you should sponsor me so it's called Akzo a if you're if you're looking for you know like sustained energy throughout the day without the jitters they like coffee gives yours crash at least that's what it does for me like like you mix like a pack it with water and it has about one hundred milligrams of caffeine which is the equivalent of a cup a serving size cup of coffee yeah yeah she's fucking like you know take whatever take like advil when it starts hurting or something and that Kinda helped and then I went back to and then he went back to a cup Cup Day than that ended up geico could almost have like migraine and then someone would give me like etc which has caffeine in it it'd be my shit that's Oh you haven't okay I know I know a few things about some of the episodes by major plot points or anything like that okay I know some of the but but I know that what the other thing the other vitamins and supplements that has like all natural like it was like I'm going to try just completely cutting it out in general and and my body did not like it needs the caffeine yeah exactly yeah no I like yeah and then I am in I just kind of kick myself in the ass it was like just do it I was like shit what if I just take it in like smaller doses and then a friend of mine that used to work with me over the restaurant I'm currently at those already that are passed by but anyway like eight it helps like I when I like I like a thirty pack of them every it just helps those your body produces these vitamins that like help turn food into energy and then it just kind of boost yeah so a week ago and then what have you noticed any positives pros cons pros is that I think I think I happened so I'm just trying that for now just trying to cut back like slowly gradually so I can eventually just cut back maybe the facial hair yeah I think I think with the facial hair and like having a tan too yeah yeah ah fuck fuck out here one of the worst meetings just doing coffee in the mornings job I one or two usually I'll do a cup like right when I wake up getting better sleep like deeper sleep and I can I feel more while rested when I wake up in the morning cons is addict everyone else has like issues like alcohol and cocaine you're like and then like later on in the day if I'm at work on my break all have another cup so usually two cups but then after that I can't have coffee for the rest of IT Cup of coffee caffeine yeah but usually it's before then but yeah if I have a day off usually I'll have one in the morning and then like one in the afternoon and then I'll be done I do have some headaches I it's hard for me to focus sometimes I think I I don't know I have kind of self diagnose. Add Eh what's your car off time cutoff time as between noon and one like one PM is the latest it helps have you tried this have you tried cutting out caffeine like just cold Turkey at idea I did that's why I was don't think I have a very addictive personality personally like other than coffee like I can do I can have a couple of and through those caffeine withdrawals I tried quitting like just like not drinking caffeine or coffee all Turkey and it sucked because it off cocaine heroin alcohol too yeah alcohol's big on as I don't know I st and I think part of the reason why I can drink a cup of coffee at eight PM and then go to sleep is because of that is because that's what would since I have been a try not to do every night is is we smoking I have a pen that I call my my sleep the the the migrants were so I couldn't get through it like I tried to do that for like a day and I need my job and that's when you know go to because nobody else anyone that's when I'm in the presence of my white friends exactly now fight the deal Jewish that's funny I'm sorry I actually I have friends who've dealt with addiction so yeah that whole afternoon and I just felt like I didn't contribute very much all just because my brain wasn't there you know and some man drinks and then be I I don't need to drink for a while or like you know I drink pretty casually right there are some people who have what we focus and get things done and I I was at a writing meeting other day I'm working on this project and I hadn't I'd coffee give it up but if it if it does make my day just a little better than I don't really see what's wrong with but then there's a line I feel like yeah just like being oh I'm able to sleep a little better or like I feel better in the morning when I wake up like that's how I feel with coffee is like yes I wait a couple of weeks I was like I think I'm doing this like literally every night before I go to sleep maybe I should stop for a bit and then you know now do it every single night but yeah how about you have you have I tried to get caffeine or what's what's where where are you currently standing currently I am I'd try to limit myself to just one later in the night because if you get thirty pack kind of have to limit yourself on yeah so then I groggy like it's hard to come out of like that feeling of guy at least for me that's how it's been affecting me now is like you know maybe I'm like it came to let me think about those like isn't it okay to have some vices as you know like if you do that every night like if that's what for anyone who's listening that doesn't really know me I'm Latino but I don't look it I don't look like your typical except for me is that with hitting my pen before I go to before I go to sleep is that like it helped me fall asleep but then like be time we'd sleepytime 'cause it's like it's a it's more of a indika strain and so it really like it's that body high you know unlike just let it take effect but then it it works it will not be the fuck out yeah then the next day I wake up that's when you realize you're like Oh shit you know I'm addicted to caffeine as is like a go and just be like yeah so yeah like it definitely helps me but I think I realized I was like makes you happy like and if it's not negatively affecting your life and I think you should do that you know like if it helps you cope with you know oh yeah like if you're drinking it to just get through the entire day or if you can't literally can't sleep without the weed then maybe it would be a problem I don't know that that there's kind of a gray area with where that line sean the only thing I noticed for the coffee in the morning you're kind of you know how they have like coffee at those meetings like that's really triggering me right now would compromises with yourself be like I'll give this to myself a couple of nights a week but I'm not gonNA make it a habit having every single night too yeah what how it affects me in the morning when I wake up is that I like I'm still kind of cloudy high anymore like I'm still kinda cloudy and just like more maybe only do it like once or twice a week before I go to sleep or you know yeah because it makes it does it like it makes me it it affects people differently but for me it helps me completely like my body feels like it's like like if I'm hurting like if I'm because I'm I'm on my feet all day like if something's eight augie than I usually would be when I get up in the morning so it does have a little bit of negative yeah I think if I do too much like consistently like where I was getting to it's like it's like overeating you know like I I'm trying not to eat when I'm full I'm trying to it's like it feels like it almost like goes away and it feels really nice and so that's kind of like like the addictive part of it yeah I think that's a good I think that's eventually where I wanna get with coffee is like only have it a few times a week when I really need it like if I'm one cup in the morning did you how long ago did it was like literally a week I went to fresh mind we could go the whole bunch of other things right distractions or something to keep your mind but if you're like with a new group of people it's always easy to gravitate towards you know that's what I can tell well I'm getting comfortable with like a group so with a lot of close friends I went to this like potluck they were having yeah not make it a habit right and make it a habit and it's it's helped but yeah that's another I guess that's another something something that has even think about it because I was enjoying the conversation so much yeah so I really do think part of it is nerves absolutely the point where it was like almost every night yes right and you don't you don't work in the mornings do I usually don't work in the morning I work at nights for the most part yeah when I sit down on the sleep white yes he relaxed and so that can get kind of addicting sometimes too when I'm like I can't sleep is easier to just like reach my pen and take a couple of heads really have to figure out how to get through this you know without like rigid for another cup yeah reach and for another cup so you can do it was like had I had eaten beforehand and I told myself don't like go for the food just like chill and I didn't eat all night didn't be a you know I feel like a lot of times I've gone out with some people I don't know that while and we're like drinking or something find other stuff but it's like you know bunch of other like minimum wage jobs out there and it's it's you know it's one of those things whereas Boston man the job hunts exhausting like I've been lied to quite a few places and Brian past like five or six months and like have had like gotten one interview from that and cheers out of out of school like realizing wow it is really hard to make changes in your life like it takes way more energy I know I'm the kind of person where even if I've just eaten a full meal and I'm completely stuffed and then like I'll go somewhere else or like your friend and they offer me it's too nervous tactic like if it's like you know like you said like if if it's people you're not really accustomed to hang out with all the time really how's it going by the way you're still at target Oh yeah yeah it's you know I'm trying to I'm trying to move on from that like trying to wait eat when I'm hungry and that's a really hard thing to do with up supermarkets just like dude on tons of food Mike Okay so to make this big change I think a step I need to take in the right direction as to go to therapy you know and I actually have found eighty days a month or whatever like one per day kind of thing sometimes I'll dried up for longer sometimes I'll take more than one day to most but then at northwestern that if you don't have health insurance you can still get like therapy on like a sliding scale so he only pays like twenty bucks per I have a friend I play tennis with every Monday and he was telling me about this like health like family health institution and didn't hear anything back and I think it's one of those things that I really am I just getting into our out of college appointment that's that's awesome super helpful yeah there's a lot of I think therapists nowadays especially with in general with I was leaning on it too much yell me fall asleep on those nights awry like my mind was just restless and then I have since kind of like straight away from it over in the fact we're like going to therapy or seeing therapists was such a stigma pike almost a stigma to not pay what you can you know yeah which I think is really nice to you know any of those by chance I know friends that do I don't hours yeah food have you say no one you don't wanNA insult them like if they invite you over for dinner and you already had dinner have you gone to therapy and I've not I've I've thought about it and I should this country is at with the with health insurance like you know people are really taken into fact that mental health is very important to everybody I don't yeah but even even I think the topic of of going to therapy nowadays is kind of getting only familiar with your kind of like you know you wanna feel like silent like those awkward silences really

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Episode 10 - Caffeine -  FT. Dario Carrion

Checking in with Wes

36:03 min | 2 years ago

Episode 10 - Caffeine - FT. Dario Carrion

"Hello welcome to check in with west. I'm your host wesley till furred. This is a biweekly podcast where i talk about a random topic. Pick try to talk about it. As long as i can and i have a guest with me today. Someone who's been on the show before his name is dario kerryon. He joined me for the very i episode of checking in with west as we talked about scandinavian folklore. You should go back and listen to that one but today we are talking about a <hes> caffeine intake. You know something i've been struggling with trying to reduce it and we try to figure out ways. We can improve our lives by <hes> not having as much caffeine so yeah. This is a this was a fun conversation and something that's really exciting. Is that when the basement diaries comes back. I'm gonna release. This episode completely unedited because we have a twenty minute riff at the beginning that i think is really funny but for for the sake of time for this episode i'm only releasing like thirty or so minutes of it but you'll be able to hear the whole episode the first week the the basement diaries comes back which is october first so stay tuned for that. That's exciting thing coming up on the horizon isan so yeah enjoy this episode of checking in with west with dario kerryon. We've talked about oh yeah yeah. Now we're good. We're talking about the caffeine intake yeah drinking caffeine. How in the world is basically addicted to it. That's so true. That's something i think about all all the time like i was trying to make this point a couple of weeks ago and kinda failed equating trying to equate like using caffeine to like using using hard drugs and it's not quite the same thing obviously but it's still a stimulant then it's still you know. Millions of people have dependents. Indents withdrawals are real time said like the day that i have gone without caffeine like i get like oh my god do you. You know what i've been trying to do. Recently is just have coffee in the mornings and no caffeine like after been p._m. Or whatever and i i still get withdraws during the afternoon what we're used to like drinking two or three cups or four cups a day or something yeah i would say like two or three four max the <hes> of coffey or just black coffee. It was my life. Blood still is black and sweet. I like a lot of sugar like sugar. Uh i used to and then i you know i just gave my soul over to black coffee too. Yeah i was like i'm okay with just how you are i. I don't need that i said had anything i accept you for who you are but yeah i i. I wanted to talk about this because it's something i'm trying to reduce and i know i've talked to you before about you had kind of like an energy boosting posting supplement. That is what i'm drinking right now. Okay all right so what what is it that you drink and how has that helped you kind of reduce your coffee intake aac. Yes absolutely to the point where like i have one or two cups of this day in. I don't drink drink coffee so like i i used to have at least one cup of coffee during the day and that was in the morning when i wake cup with breakfast and then maybe like at most i would do like three cups a day like i would that would be the that would be it and then i was like you know maybe i'm drinking too much of it because i i wouldn't be falling asleep until three in the morning show on like maybe that was inside started cutting back then like immediately really noticed when i just like cut it back to the morning during breakfast like later on during the day my nobody was kind of yearning for another cup yeah another like kick of caffeine in general not just coffee and then i would get a headache like mid afternoon and it'd be like the fuck it's gonna and then and then i would take like almost have get like a migraine and then someone would give excedrin which has caffeine in it then it'd before my gosh it. That's that's the issue for me. I can drink coffee like at eight p._m. And still go to bed so that's the problem for me is like it doesn't really affect my slit. It probably does affect my sleep in terms of like how deep i'm sleeping or absolutely but it's just not like readily apparent on the surface how much it's affecting my sleeping so it's hard for me to give it up because i'm like well. If if it ain't broken voice yeah i like yeah and then and then i really like i just kind of kick myself in the ass. Just do like just fucking like you know. Take whatever take like advil when it starts hurting something and that kinda helped and then i went back to and then he went back took a cup cup day than that ended up being finding out it was like i'm going to try just completely cutting it out in general and and my body did not what needs the caffeine and i was like shit. What if i just take it in smaller doses and then a friend of mine that i used to worked with me over the restaurant currently at introduced me to this a powder natural energy supplement and it's called. I guess if ex yo is listening to this. You should sponsor so it's called actio. I'll and if if you're if you're looking for like sustained energy throughout the day without the jitters they like coffee gives your crash. At least that's what it does for me like aww you mix like a pack coming these like little like powder packages on that you just mix with water like with like i think it's like twelve ounces of water and then you just mix it with water and it has about one hundred milligrams of caffeine which is the equivalent of a cup up a serving size cup of coffee yeah yeah and it has a height jeters then i'm not that you're a good good question but <hes> but i know that what the other thing the other vitamins and supplements that has like all natural like tea green tea extract in like there's a bunch of other like niacin like weird names the vitamins that your body already produces naturally it just helps those <hes> your body produces these vitamins that like help turn food into energy and then just kind of boosts those already that are but anyway like it. It helps like i when i like. I get like a thirty pack of them every month. Nice and steady flow yeah. It's a study for like i'll i'll drink at that most of the day i try to limit myself to just one later in the morning because if you get thirty pack you kind of have to let yourself also on yeah so then i the last thirty days you know like a month or whatever like one per day kind of thing. Sometimes i'll drive out for longer. Sometimes i'll take more than a ah two at most but it helps you. Have you tried cutting out caffeine like just cold turkey at idea. That's i was going through those caffeine withdrawals a i tried quitting just like not drinking caffeine or coffee at it all cold turkey and it sucked because like the the migrants were so i couldn't get through it. I tried to do that for like a day out l. I need and that's when you know that's when you realize you're like oh shit. I'm addicted to caffeine as is like a goto meeting. It ain't and just be like addict. Everyone else has had issues too like alcohol and like cocaine okay and you're like oh my cup of coffee in the morning. You're kind of a you know how they add like coffee at those meetings. Thank triggering me right now. Everybody would be like fuck. You fuck out here the one of the worst a a meeting but yeah how about you have you have. I tried to caffeine or what's what's where where are you. Currently you stand. Currently i am just doing coffee in the mornings up one or two <hes> <hes> usually i'll do a cup like right when i wake up and then later on in the day about work on my break. I'll have another cup so usually two cups but then after that. I can't have coffee for the rest of the day. What's your caught off time. Cutoff time is between noon and one on like one p._m. Is the latest to cover coffee. I could ever kathy yeah but usually it's before then but yeah if i have a day off. Usually i'll have one in the morning morning and then like one in the afternoon it'll be done so i'm just trying that for now just trying to cut back like slowly gradually so so i can eventually just cut back to one cup in the morning did you. How long ago did it was like literally a week ago. That's why this is like fresh. I'm go go go go to nobody else. That's when i'm in the presence of my white friends and so exactly for everyone who's listening. That doesn't really know me. I'm latino but i don't look. I don't look like your typical team except for maybe the facial hair yeah i think i think with the facial hair and like having tan too yeah. We yeah so we go in then. What have you noticed any positives. Pros cons froze is that i think i think i have been getting better sleep like deeper sleep and i can. I feel more. Well rested when i wake up in the morning. Mean cons is that. I do have some headaches. I it's hard for me to focus. Sometimes i think i i don't know i have kind of self diagnose a._d._h._d. <hes> and i think part of the reason why i can drink a cup of coffee at eight p._m. And then go to sleep is because of that is because that's what would help me focus and get things done and i. I was at a writing meeting other day. I'm working on this project and i had coffee that whole afternoon and i just felt like i didn't contribute very much at all just because my brain wasn't isn't there you know like i really have to figure out how to get through this. You know without like rigid for another cup yeah reaching take another cop so you can do it was like yeah fight the jewish. That's not funny. I'm sorry i actually i have friends who've dealt with addiction so yeah. It's very serious topic but we're keeping it light hearted yet. Now i mean it is it is a serious thing like i mean if if we're talking about caffeine in this way i think about how hard it would be to get off going cocaine heroin alcohol too yeah. Alcohol is a big on <hes> as i don't know i. I don't think i have a very addictive personality personally like other than coffee like i can do. I can have a couple of drinks and then be i. I don't need to drink for a while or like you know. I drink pretty. Casually you're right. There are some people who have wondering in there like i have to have more. I have two more yeah as the only way they can get through the day so south one thing i have another i guess substance. I have been trying not to do every night is is we smoking. I have a pen that i call my my sleepytime. We'd sleepytime yeah because it's like it's a it's more of a indika strain and so it really like. It's that body high. Oh yeah yeah when i sit down sleep white yes he relaxed and so that can get kind of addicting sometimes too when i'm like you know the nights that i can't sleep is easy to reach from my pen and take a couple of heads and then like just let it take effect but then it it works. It will not be me the fuck out then the next day. I wake up so groggy like it's hard to come out of like that feeling of at least for me. That's how it's been affecting acting me. Now is like you know. Maybe i'm mike came to a point of a couple of weeks ago. I was like i think i'm doing this like literally every night before i go to sleep. Maybe i should stop opt for a bit and then you know do it every single night. Yeah not make it a habit right now. I make it a habit and it's helped but yeah that's another <hes> <hes> guess. It's another something something that made me think about those like. Isn't it okay to have some vices. You know like if you do do that every night like if that's what makes you happy like and if it's not negatively affecting your life then i think you should do that. You know okay like if it helps you cope with you know just like being able to sleep a little better. I feel better in the morning when i wake up. That's how how i feel with coffee is like yes. I could give it up but if it if it does make my day just a little better than i don't really see. What's wrong with it but then there's a line i feel like as like if you're drinking eh to just get through the entire day our <hes> on if you can't literally can't sleep without the weed then maybe it would be a problem but i don't know that that there's kind of a gray area with where that outline sean yeah. The only thing that i noticed for me is that with <hes> hitting my pen before i go to before i'd go to sleep is like it helps me fall asleep but then like what how it affects me in the morning. When i wake up is that i like i'm still kind of cloudy like i'm not high anymore cloudy and just like more groggy than i usually would be when i get up warning says it does have a little bit of a negative yeah. I think if i i do too much like consistently where i was getting to a point where it was like almost every night yes right. You don't work in the mornings. I usually don't work in the morning. I i work at nights for the most part yeah so yeah like you know it definitely if we helps me but i think i realized i was like i was leaning on it too much. Y'all me fall asleep on those nights to write like my mind was just restless and then i have since kind of like straight away from it and maybe only do it like once or twice a week before i go to sleep now because it makes it. Does it like it makes me uh it it. It affects people differently but like for me. It helps me completely like my body feels like it's like every like if i'm hurting like like if i'm if i'm on my feet all day like if something's aching and like it feels like it almost like goes away and it feels really nice so that's kind of like like the addictive part of it yeah. I think that's a good compromise with yourself. Though be like i'll give this to myself a couple nights a week but i'm not gonna make it abbott having having every single night too yeah. I think that's eventually where i wanna get with. Coffee is like only have a few times a week when i really needed. I if i'm if i it's like it's like over eating you know like i. I'm trying not to eat when i'm full. I'm trying to only eat when i'm hungry and that's a really hard thing to do with supermarkets and just like dude tons of food. I know i'm the kind of person where even if i've just eaten a full meal and i'm completely stuffed and then i like i'll go somewhere else in the offer me food. I don't say no one you don't wanna insult them like right like if they they invite you over for dinner and you already had dinner i could eat again. You know sometimes it's an issue even if that and then like i'll go to dinner or i i'll. I'll just have eaten dinner and then i meet somebody like a friend or something at like a bar and they have food at the bar quoted them -tations there and nine times times out of ten. I'm like i'm going to get like an appetizer even though i just i like what i think it's a nurse could be a nervous habit at least for me. Sometimes sometimes yeah yeah that's true. It's like oh. I need something to do like while i'm talking to are. I guess it depends on the group of people. I'm with you. I'm with like you or like people. I'm comfortable talking with. I don't need like a whole bunch of other things distractions or something to keep your mind but if you're like with a new group of people it's always easy zied gravitate towards that's what i can tell. I'm getting comfortable with like a group so with a lot of clair's friends are went to the potluck they were having and i had eaten beforehand and i told myself don't like go for the food. Just like chill and i didn't eat all night didn't even think about it because i was enjoying the conversation so much yeah so i really do think part of it is nerves absolutely yeah. It's it's. It's a nervous tactic like if it's like you know like you said if if it's people you're not really accustomed accustomed to hang out with all the time really really familiar with you kind of like you want to feel like silent like those awkward silences really like you if you have something to do exactly and that could be a you know. I feel like a lot of times. I've gone out with some people. I don't know that while and we're like drinking or something and one too many you know and <hes> what have i done. I've worked tomorrow. Arlit seven god that going by the way. You're still oh yeah yeah. It's now i'm trying to. I'm trying to like mm smith on from that like trying to find other stuff but it's like you know a bunch of other like minimum wage jobs out there and it's it's you know it's one of are those things whereas boston man job hunts exhausting like i've been lied to quite a few places and brian past like five or six months and like have had like gotten one interview from that and then didn't hear anything back and i think it's one of those things that i really am like wow you know just getting into our out of college years out of out of school like realizing wow it is really hard to make changes in your life looks like it takes way more energy than i would have thought when i was in school like oh this is how life works you just you just get another job and then can you. You're happier you know and i'm like no. It takes away in for yeah they they don't teach you necessarily in college or anywhere yeah which i think it is something you should learned her own but i you know and that's why i'm like okay so to make this big change. I think a step. I need to take in the right direction as to go to therapy uh-huh and i actually have found like i have a friend i played tennis with every monday and he was telling me about this like health like family health institution at northwestern that if you don't have health insurance you can still get like therapy unlike a sliding scale. I'm so he only pays like twenty bucks per appointment. That's that's awesome super helpful yeah. There's a lot of i think therapists nowadays nowadays especially with in general with where this country is at with the with health insurance. I think people are really taken into fact that a mental health is very important to everybody and to make that accessible like that. You know like you you pay like there's a couple other therapists or friends that are go to therapy in therapists that they that they go to their like pay what you can you know yeah which i think is really nice to know any of those by chance. I know friends that that do i don't have you. Have you gone to therapy at all. I've not i've i've thought about it and i should just or like don't yeah but i even even i think the topic of going to therapy nowadays holidays is kind of getting turned over in the fact where like it's going to therapy or seeing. Therapists was such a stigma wichner. It's almost a stigma to not now. It's almost like it's almost like the cool thing nowadays bro yeah like it's not like completely like italian guy your feelings bro and we'll talk about your feelings did yeah where it used to be more of like oh you're going to therapy wpro you must be wrong with you. The older generations definitely because that's i mean that's that's the environment they grew up and were they only knew of people family members or friends that if they went to therapy means like all like he's like schizophrenic or he's he's crazy. I heard you know he's gonna see something like you know the kind of felt bad for you you know yeah but <hes> nowadays like i just love the idea of going to for like for all intents and purposes like a stranger who has very much nonbiased biased point of view who doesn't really know about your life or who you are as a person until you start talking to them and then they can professionally nationally they can seek out patterns and things that you're telling them that's going on with you can kind of work with you and like okay this is because they get totally unfiltered view. I love you and you're literally going to them. Yeah it'd be different. It's different than like you know like you. You talking to your best friend. They known you for a long time or whatever okay you know even if they don't mean to do this they have preconceived bias. Your biases and judgments view that yeah absolutely or may not be true because they love you sometimes. They'll the those people will tell you what you want to hear. Beyond what you wanna hear whereas you know someone like a therapist with a non-biased vice point of view the only tell you what what they are doing what they're hearing and what they think you should. You should kind of take steps. Those are just nice to like. I think even if you don't have anything that's necessarily wrong with you. It's nice to just like i feel good. You you do therapy. You know i i've had so many times where i i've been going through struggles like mentally and mike. I really need to see a therapist you know and and then i get through it myself and a mike. I don't need to see a therapist anymore and i'm like no no no. That's it's our works like. You should still see a therapist if you're doing well. You know yeah yeah. Even if you know for the good times in your life or the through all of it i i need to push myself to find someone who i'm comfortable talking with yeah and i think that's another thing like money to financial financially speaking and also like you know i've heard of people who didn't like their first therapist and it's also the thing is gonna be in a sense you have to you have to round yeah yeah you have to find some sense of comfort ability with the person you know definitely but yeah yeah good guys not bad therapy is great so seek seek it out. If you're having trouble i know i've said this a lot on the podcast but yeah and it's something that i struggle with too 'cause i don't really i don't have health insurance right now because i'm <hes> twenty-six millennials are so we get fucked by the government. Everything's my parent. Everything is our parents. Get get so mad when i said when mike millennials fucked or millennials screwed. They're like what whatever you guys. Have it find adam. Okay yeah dad. Please delia actually more my mom. I guess i might cut that out because i know she listens. It's okay nobody. I know where your mom is. Nobody really knows and that's another thing. I was thinking about with. This podcast is like i when i started i kind of data as therapy by really think there's a good distinction between something being therapeutic and then something actually being therapy like clinical therapy arpey yeah yeah like this is therapeutic for me almost like a creative outlet to kind of like you know be able to talk to to friend or someone you know just to kind of share and be like like you wouldn't tell unless you wouldn't tell your deepest darkest secrets like i feel like to your friends but like i would share that with you. You wouldn't share that with me. I might unsleeping pretty open like i'll tell 'cause i am the honestly like i was talking with clare about this the other day <hes> like she asked me what's like the worst thing you've ever done and and if you have to think about that if you can't think of anything right off the bat like that probably means you haven't done on very many bad things you know and i couldn't really think of like i could think of like embarrassing moments that i've had in my life like i'll i'll share share with you right now. I used to have a really bad like anger management problem. You talked about this. Oh yeah yeah well there. Was this one time whereas playing a video game. I was like eleven or twelve with my cousin. I lost at iowa so like upset yelling and like crying about it and he laughed he was scared. I was like yeah. He's it's kind of freaked out call. His mom and i felt like that is something that embarrassed me so badly that up until now. I haven't like shared that with anyone i mean i showed that with claire rutter but it's something i hadn't been able to talk about for years and years you're embarrassed. Harrison was embarrassed by it but now it's something i can talk right because i'm like oh. That was who i was and now i'm old. I was like eleven or twelve when that happened and that was kinda moment where i was like okay. You gotta get under control at eleven years old. You were like you. You should have like that was a moment for me where i was like. I felt so embarrassed by that. I can't have these outbursts anymore. You're i mean if you look at me now on your for you realize you probably wouldn't think years longer person the furthest thing i mean the only known you towards the later the later end of your current life ladder and i'm gonna have quite a few lives so yeah yes how it goes yeah. I like to think so yeah so what's the most embarrassing thing you've ever done man. You don't have there no pressure. No there's hold on. I don't know if it's let's see embarrassing embarrassing scene embarrassing see this is also why stop smoking weed like almost every night 'cause i 'cause. I know it technically. It is like you know how like they were like snoop dog like doc because he literally smoke so much weed every day and interviews like do you remember working with this and this person is like nam smoke so much yet like is there any moment where you you felt like you were unhinged or you. I i want one sticks out to me because it's just like in my memory and when i was a kid and it it's it's embarrassing to an extended entered more of like something i realized about. I'll just tell the story. I was still ecuador. I think it was mm seven or six years old. Okay maybe eight around that timeframe and whatever so my mom used to walk me me too school which was a few blocks away from where we lived and then i would walk back home by myself and then so there's this candy ecuador. It's it's <hes> it's like a peanut chocolate bar. That's called nature okay. It's like a nut chuck. O'byrne it's really good. It's only an ecuadorian thing or an ecuadorian candy and and and i love them like if i ever like my mom give me like money for lunch like those are like one of the things that i would get besides what she sent me to school with and and my uncle one day was over and when he sent me to school he was like here's like a dollar or whatever to like when you come home from work ring come home from school jesus when you come from come come home from school by two by three bars one for yourself alfred free brother and one for me when you come home you bring it to us and then we can enjoy them back and i walk home from school and i stopped by the little convenience lenient store and i buy three of them and on my way from the community back home i eat mind and then without really thinking much about it and i just because sounds like man that was the first one was really fucking good three eight <hes> eight another eighty two so i left one and <hes> and i didn't realize what i well. I didn't realize what i had done until he was finished eating the second one. I was like oh shit. What did i do. It's also an insight into like how much i love food and how much goes back around. You're talking about like food addiction and yeah. I just like there are times where i don't no no one to stop eating. It's just it's so good. I think it's great something you have to do and that's that's why it's so hard to to to stop because you're like well. I have to do this. I can't cut it out of my life right <hes> yeah. I like you know i i i was like o._c. I'm going to be in trouble and i was and ed secondly. I was like why did i do that like you know like it was kind of an abrasive because when i got home home and my uncle was like so where the candy bars and i gave the one to the other two he was like eight years. I was like yeahs. Ask is like what happened to your brothers and he obviously was like you know. What were you thinking being and you know. It's kind of egotistic of you to eat. He's like now. I'm gonna give this one to your brother because he he wants one teaching and then i saw horrible afterwards i i was able to vote. Why did i eat that if you look back at that that's actually not that bad. It's not but as a kid like like you know you feel the shame shame i totally agree and that <hes> that's kinda the point i was trying to make that i there's so many things i did as a kid. Ed said something when it like i think i was at my piano teacher's house or something and she was talking to somebody about a soccer game and i thought she was talking to me and she was like oh. I'm not talking to you and not a big deal right she watching tv but no no she was just talking to like. I think it was her daughter or something and i thought she was talking to me and she wasn't and for some reason that made me feel so embarrassed i that i would like to thank the happens to be and it's like when you say it out loud. It doesn't sound that bad but like just with your they're experiencing ayud embarrassing felt the awkwardness of the situation like wow and you're just a little kid so yeah just experiencing those kind of like i flood of we like emotions to shame and guilt really guilt as as one of the big ones like in that moment that i felt i was just like yeah yeah. That's the first time you've ever did something that bad new year. We're gonna get in trouble or you knew you yeah but you're impulse just took over and if you had these candy bars they sound really good. There's an ecuador. There's a couple of ecuadorean grocery stores by albany park that i need that i've yet to visit and i think with you and i think they sell those candy bars monday choice. That's all you have to try one then you'll be like i get why you had why oh you did what do they call the in my nature monticello yeah yeah. It's a peanut chocolate like dark chocolate bar little so good. I think that about does it. We we stayed on topic for okay but yeah thanks for coming on and i think we learned a lot about caffeine a lot about addiction and got into some mma mental health. Discussion is always good stream of consciousness. Shah's lers toddler toddler. Beware joe toddlers all right. Thanks for coming on diarrhea. You're not welcome. I will not be back ever again but please having back again of coming.

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Page 13.5 - Half Birthday Special

The Basement Diaries

16:53 min | 2 years ago

Page 13.5 - Half Birthday Special

"Hello, welcome. To the basement diaries. I'm your host Westley till furred sitting here in my bedroom with my cat bandit. He's just chilling kinda suss out the equipment. He's a little. He's a little skeptical of it. But. I don't think he's going to do anything about it. His actually being a little more chill than I expected. I usually doesn't like new things he's he's a very routine based creatures as you know, any cat owners out there. They know this. But yeah, I'm recording in the bedroom because Clarice cooking dinner, and I just didn't want to interrupt. So I thought I'd sneak away into the bedroom and record this little half page of the diary if you will. Yes. Last week, if you if you didn't hear last week's interview, which was with Josh Pennington. So you go back and check that out. I because I was a great interview. He's just such a optimistic person. And I love talking to him. But this isn't about Josh this week. It's about what's going on with me and my life because it's all about me. That's what you really wanna hear in the basement. I mean. Yeah. So what's new with me? I saw up not up. I said up and not two thousand nine Pixar film. I meant us the two thousand nineteen horror film written and directed by Jordan Peele. I thought it was really really good. I've heard some friends had some complaints about it like it was too much of a m night. Shamlan twist. And I'm like first of all what's wrong with an m night. Shamlan twists like, you know, he's done some crummy movies here and there, but like his good movies have amazing twists like the six cents. The visit had an amazing twist. And let's see what else was there. The village had an okay twists other than that. Yeah. A lot of movies have sucked. But but his his good ones are like really good. So I don't know what's wrong with a good im- night. Shamlan twist. So I don't really see that as a criticism. Even though they obviously were criticizing the movie. But I saw us opening weekend. And first clarinet I went to the new four hundred theater over here in Rogers park over on Sheridan, and we were really excited to see it. But it was sold out. It was like nine thirty show. So we were like, well, are we just going to go home? And both of us were like, no, we came out to see us. We're going to see us. So we decided to go up to the Evanston theatre. Get some MAC and cheese from noodles and company and sneak into the theater and go to the ten pm show. It was great. I loved it. It scared. The pants off me. I thought the acting was really great. Yeah. All around just phenomenal work. I thought the film making was just. So on point. And I think those that are criticizing it also may have been disappointed that it didn't go the same route as get out. Did I personally am glad that it took a little bit of a different direction? I think the biggest difference between the two movies is that get out as more of a psychological thriller are like, you know, it has more commentary on. The racial divide. And I feel like us was more like just pure horror. It was like this is a horror film. It just happens that it's about a black family, not a white family. So I think in that sense. It was it was a really solid horror film. And I would I want to see it again. I think it's one of those movies. That deserves the second viewing after you know, the twist. But yeah, anyway, I did that. And then I've been gearing up for checking in with Wests which coming out Friday, April fifth, so just a few days. It's going to be great episode. I had Dario kerryon on as my first guest and every I'm not going to have a guest every time. I do it. But it's it's fun. Just to bring people to talk about certain topics. We talk about Scandinavian folklore and its influences on horror. We do mention us in that. I think so you'll want to check that out if you're fan of horror films or a fan of folklore or any type of storytelling, really. Yeah. But that's that's something really exciting. That's coming up. And then I've been taking this class that I owe it's been a lot of fun. But it's been really challenging it. It makes me wonder if I want to be a writer, you know, because I kind of took this class maybe thinking like, oh is should I switch paths from being an actor to being a writer, and it kind of made me like, no, I think I'm more of an actor. I like getting up and doing things more not that writings not doing anything. It's a lot of hard work. You have to be very patient, and you have to be. Have to be able to sit for a while. And just think and while I can do that. It's it's hard for me to dedicate myself to that. So I think it's made me realize that I like writing, and I want to pursue it in some form maybe but not as a specific career. But that's a good thing. To know. It's a good thing to find out about yourself. But I do think it has. Taught me a lot just about writing jokes about writing comedy. I don't consider myself like a really naturally funny person. I think I think I can be charismatic, but it takes a certain amount of energy to get myself to that level. You know? And I think that I I have funny ideas. I think I have. Generally, a good sense of humor. But I don't think I'm that guy who like comes into the party, and every, you know, just like snapping-off jokes hereafter the next and everybody's like Wesley. You are the life of this party. I I don't think that's me personally. But I don't know. I. Tell me what you think tell me if you think I'm the life of the party now. Please don't that's something. I don't want to know actually. As I've known older. I realized that like I'm so old. I'm twenty six and a half. Now. It's my half birthday today, by the way. Now. But as I'm you know, getting closer to being thirty. I just find myself, not caring more and more. What people think about me, obviously, I care about like what the people closest to me think like the people whose lives I am affecting definitely care about that. But as far as like people outside of that, you know, I am who I am. And I I try to be as honest about that as I can. Two people. I don't know that while even and you know, you're just going to get what yet and. I hope that's okay with you basement dwellers while that went on a weird a little weird tangent. But that's okay. That's what this podcast is forced to go on weird tangents. You might not know exactly what you're saying. But you'll form an idea as you go along it's a little bit like improv. Yeah. I swear I don't write scripts for these believe it or not. Yeah. I went to convenes last night with Clare. That's like our spot, you know, as our spot here in Rogers park. I wasn't going to do a plug for Canadians. But here we are go to Canadians guys, fourteen twenty four divine avenue and Rogers park. It's a it's a great little dive bar. I wouldn't even call it a dive bar. It's like a mix between like a cool bar and a die bar 'cause I got like a pool table, and it's it's very clean and. It's got some comic strips in the bathroom. So if you're fan of comic strips in the bathroom convenes is the place for you that they have really good prices on alcohol. It's like. Two fifty schlitz three dollar PBR's. You know, four dollar heinekens. Those are like the only beers. I get there. But I also get I got a whisky sour last night. There was only four bucks. Yeah. Whiskey sour Chicago for only four bucks believe it or not. But really contains is like our spot. And we just we were wondering if we should go out. And you're like, maybe it's better if we stay in, and we really know we need to get out of the apartment for a little bit. And so we got out went to convenes both of us had a whisky sour. And we were watching the godfather part two on the TV. They always have some kind of like old movie playing on the TV in there, which I love, and it's kind of cool I watching classic movies or any kind of movie up there like with the sound off. And just seeing the pictures up there because I think it makes you realize. How much you don't really need sound in movies to enjoy them? I I mean sure sound does add a lot of important context. And you know, it makes you feel certain ways within the movie, and you get obviously you have to get an understanding for the story. But you can just still be just as fascinated by the movie. When you're saying just the images on the screen. So yeah, I thought that was an interesting tidbit from that night that clarinet got into conversation about. But I think that's thing. That's probably all I've got for today. Bandit is one I made a wrap up. He's. He's sniffing out the computer right now. Oh, he's leaving. He's like I've had enough of this the doors close adminis- minute. Try to see if he'll navigate his way out. Oh, he did. Wow. Good job bad it while bandits leaving. So naturally, he's my owner. I'm not his owner. It's the other way around. So I'm going to have to go as well. But I hope you enjoyed this little half page of the diary thirteen point five or thirteen and a half. Whatever you wanna call it next week. I have Dario on in the basement diaries as well. So that's gonna be a really fun episode. It's going to be Dario week in the basement because he's as I said before he's on checking in with west with me. And we had a blast. It was like a an all day podcasting day, and he even went to target with Clare. And I so. And. That was really funny actually, we were Clarence getting a microwave for the apartment, and we were we were wondering around target and went Dario ni- get together. We're like little kids, basically. So we kept joking that we were like Clair's like little kids who were like causing tantrum and target like crying. And we both do we both do pretty good baby cries, I'm actually going to do it right now. So just I'll give you a little warning. But here comes a baby cry. Oh. Yeah. That was that was me that wasn't an actual baby. I swear I don't have a baby in here or anything that was all that was all me baby. Right while nothing this for those of you still listening after that. Horrendous act that I committed thank you for listening. Hope you enjoyed it. Make sure to you know, like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram at the basement diaries pod. And I think Facebook is at the basement IRA's podcast. We're also on Twitter at diaries basement and. Make sure to this is a big one guys. This is a huge favor. I need to ask of you go to tunes or go to Stitcher or go to both and leave a review on the page. It will help us out so much. You know, why it will help us out because leaving that review? Let's other people. Discover the podcast and hopefully, grow our audience and. It has a the basement diaries right now has a small following. We average about forty downloads per episode, but we need to get those numbers up. So please, please, please just even word mouth tell it to your friends, if you've been -joyed what you're you. Listen to. I love doing this podcast. But I gotta say it's not easy doing an episode of week. So I just want to try to keep that going and keep that momentum building. So if you enjoy I just ask you to pay it forward by leaving a little review for us. And, you know, saying what you like about the show or don't like, I don't know. Maybe you hate it. But I'd rather you not if you like absolutely hate the podcast like first of all why did you get through this like fifteen minute. Episode. If you hate it like that seems counter intuitive to me, but second of all you should just be nice and not leave a review if you really don't like the show. But if you feel so inclined, you know, I guess I'll listen to it. I'll listen to your view, and, you know, take it take it into account as I move forward with this podcast. And also make sure to follow and subscribe to like checking in with Wests. It's now on I tunes as well. I tunes in Spotify that to places you can find it now. But we're also going to get it on Stitcher. Don't worry if you don't subscribe to that page because you can also find all checking with west episodes on. First of all, you can find it on the website. The basement diaries pod dot com, and you can also find it on our basement diaries feed on Spotify tunes or Stitcher. I'm gonna post those episodes every other Friday as well. Just so you guys can have easy access to them. I don't wanna make you go to a whole nother page just to get that content by super excited for it. I think if if you're into you know, just delving into one topic and podcast episode. Like, I think this show is for you. Because in the basement diaries, we get into it all we get into personal stuff. We get into different topics. It's not as focused as checking in with Wessex's. So if you're all about that focus than I think checking in west is probably for you. Well, thank you all so much for listening have a happy, April and hope to see you on April fifth for checking in with Wes.

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Reimagining Education with Mondo Davison - Ep 101

The Schmidt List

30:13 min | 1 year ago

Reimagining Education with Mondo Davison - Ep 101

"Where can they participate in the sharing economy so the one asset that people of Color Eighteen to twenty four have is their creative capacity right? It's just a go. Do something cool go create a video that super super cool go right something go whatever. And it's like they have an endless abundance of content that could create and were saying Genn create that and then we wanna be able to pay for it. Welcome to the Schmidt list. The podcast for people dedicated to managing successful projects developing impactful products and building engaged teams. And now. Here's your host Kurt Schmidt Magno. Yes how are you. I am Golden. Thanks for having avenue me up here and like hey listen. I'm excited to be talking to you. How did you get an attack? Where did this all start? Were you a tinkerer occur when you were younger and new computers and like how did you. How did you end up in the as a tech guy and also there's a very defined story so January seven two thousand ten At the time I was an educator and I had just got done playing basketball because that was my journey up to that date like I am going to be a professional athlete and didn't make get and so at twenty five. I was just like I'm going to be done. That was like the hangup shoes and so I became an educator in Saint Paul and then like I said January seven two thousand ten. I'll sit in front of the TV the flipping through channels and I landed on special called planet of the APPS. And it was apple's one hour special saying hey apps are going to be a big deal. Yeah if you're a developer you should come over and develop some cooler stuff and literally from that moment I was like. Hey I wanna do that something in that space and for the next six years I tried to develop stuff I tried are hired somebody. I just figured it out and so I made about thirty. Three trillion. Mistakes spent a whole bunch of money with those mistakes yard now. I make less mistakes. So that's the best way to put it in so I have no background in tag. No Oh anything and so I feel I feel like I've found my lane Donau and I'm excited about it. That's really cool. Yeah so what are you doing these days. I know you're doing a lot in the education. Space Tell me about that yeah. Aso Education has kind of been like everything has come full circle all the tax stuff and everything and now you're getting now it's education and so for me. My strength is oh there's a problem. How do we wrap tech around to have a scalable solution? And so now it's like I built a bunch of stuff partner with a lot of different people to build cool cool stuff in in overtime. I built a lot of stuff for education. And that's because as an educator for six seven years and so my business partner Dario who found review glints three sixty He also does a lot in in education and so when we came together like hey we just got a join forces and create this voltron tech thing and so now it's like how do we build solutions wins that just disrupted inequities in education. So starting two thousand twenty that is like focus of like education specific. We're not doing anything outside of that and I feel it's going to be really exciting because essentially our model is how do we build the platforms that we can scale in the classrooms. But then how do we go into the community and find the creatives to power Those solutions and so I use net flicks as a model ally and I'm like Netflix. Built an amazing solution that anybody can use anywhere right even if you're just borrowing somebody else's credentials But the money that they spend. I don't know what they spend on the tag but last year they spend six billion dollars on original content and so it's like oh original content antennas king and so how do we again build similar platforms or educators can use across the country but our competitive advantage is our original content and we go get that original John Content from communities of color. And that's that's our move that's motive. So how does that start. Like let's say is that you identify the need. I you identified a place I I that community I like. Where does it start in? How do you engage in make make that start to happen the framework there? So I'll start with a baxter. We'll just talk about one specific civic platform so one of the platforms that I build is called shorties and short as is a hybrid for short stories. And so I remember being back in school and we go out We have amazing time at recess right rathers basketball football like super bowl every day and then we would come back into the classroom in any good teacher to bring the class back back to a reasonable level would say oh. It's independent reading time. And so every day I would go to the library and grab a book and fake read because the books didn't look like let me nothing in there sounded like anything that I would do and so I was like Well I literally fake. I didn't read a book cover to cover till I was twenty years old and so fast fast forward to when I became an educator. I was in classrooms and I was like oh black boys are still fake reading the same way I did twenty years ago and so that's where the hook was was like. Oh this solution or this problem so hasn't been solved so mando go build something and so that's how I just started like I just built a solution to a problem that I had because I was was intimately connected to it and then being around a lot of students I was just like Oh let me ask you some questions on. What would make this reading platform more engaging and so I was just immersed in the problem enough enough to be able to bring a solution to life and yeah here we are now where it's like? We feel like we have a stable platform and now it's just developing the content. So what's the schools respond like when you approach these schools and say hey we have this this program. That's opportunity. How do you like? What are their air reaction? Are they like. Oh yeah this makes total sense. Let's do that yeah. So here's here's like the the growth of the thing that's awesome and then the thing like our barrier so the awesome thing is man. We've been looking for you or we've been looking for some type of culturally relevant content that we can give to our teachers. The the barrier has been We don't have enough content to serve you for an entire year and so one of the struggles that I had you know when I was going out and talking to creatives meaning writers using illustrators in the community they're like Mondo this. This is amazing. But you're just like every other person that will come and sell us this dream but not be able to pay. Guess what we're worth and so it made me slow down and reflect and say oh. I didn't understand that that was the thing for the creative economy. And so we slow down and figure it out or working through figuring out. How do we pool together the resources to be able to pay creatives at least somewhat what they are you know you valued at right? Yep and so that's been our barriers like hey school's want to opt in but it's like I need more content has an institution and so that's where we're at right now trying to just build our library of content. Got It and so as you're building that library like how are you. How are you going about that is it? Does it all being digitized in like. Is it going to be in one central a place like what. What's the kind of the launch pad for it? Yes so let's say we have multiple different platforms That engage agent in different ways so shorties focuses on is a digital library of culturally relevant short stories right and we really focus on third grade and so because at the end of third heard. Great if you're now reading proficiently your three times more likely to drop out of high school and you're four times more likely to go to prison if you drop out of high school and so it's like okay. Let's that's where people are dropping off or people of color. Actually data says that only ten percent of low income black boys re proficiently as they enter fourth grade. Wow there's the school to prison pipeline. That a lot of educators talk about in so short is really focuses on solving that problem. Then there's a completely completely different platform called music nerds where we take you know. Music like current music and we wrap lessons around contemporary music that people are engaging aging ends. I'll give you an example. So let's say you're in political science class and it's like hey I wanna talk about taxes and so we then take a song by J coal which is called brackets where he talks about taxes how it impacts him who's making millions of dollars in all the way to how it impacts the mother in the community. That doesn't have a lot of money. Will if you start the lesson and you play a j Cole Song to engage the class and then you wrap all the other content around okay. Here's Jay talking about with taxes and then here is like the trump initiative for the tax cuts from lashing. It's like oh well I'm I'm now more interested in it because one of my favorites art is J. Co was talking about taxes and now I see the power our of taxes right and so we're building out content for that and then thirdly we have a platform called leads which is like how do we build the best Utility belt note of original content. And this is like a lot of mini documentaries For people to go and educate around diversity and inclusion and so the best way we put it as like. Hey there's a lot of people that can move people to action rather it in schools or it's in corporations but they don't have the tools to be able to go engage judge or there's not a platform where we wanna go find the best people To come in and engage our community our employees are whatever and so we're building that And we're excited about about is like that's like at a at a broad vision like the different platforms that we have and like how we lean into the creative economy to build that content. It's funny because as we we've been going through like a branding cycle of like how do we say that in a more consolidated fashion and so we learned that trying to to explain all these different platforms has been kind of tough like when you think about salesforce. They don't break down all the different tools that they have right. And so we just say we're trying to impact education and disrupted disrupt inequities and we do it in a lot of different ways and so that's where we're at and so how do you identify. Is it a lot of these schools coming to you or is it you going. Pitching them How does that process work right? So one of the benefits of working with my as in the whole Dario is. They've done a lot of work with with a lot of superintendents and so having that relationship with superintendents has been super helpful. I'd like to know you talked about earlier. The student conference that we put on on October twenty first which was fifteen hundred students from forty different districts that came together to talk about the good and bad of education and how they I think it should be changed and so that was informative for us right. It's like okay. Well if you have high school students from all around Minnesota saying this is what we want more than we just go build those solutions or at least try to right and so that has been super helpful in just just asking the questions to the right people it's been it's been so funny where it's like. Hey Education is broken broken but the people that are trying to fix it having been in the classroom for ten twenty thirty years. Yeah we'll just go ask the students and they'll tell you exactly what they need them. So that's suspen Armato well and that's I think that's very different than education in the past where it's like well. I don't care what you think you need student. We we have this curriculum. That's been approved by X.. Amount of committees in your other stuff so you take it or leave it. Yeah it's interesting breaking through that mindset though is not easy. It's not easy but then when you say like Oh look at your class. You got this leaks doc. You might want to change strategy a little bit and and honestly for educators that have been in it for a while especially in urban areas a lot of the time they go outside of what they're given to engage kids anyways and they're like we gotta go on the Internet somewhere and find more engaging content and so when you talk to teacher by teacher teacher. They're like Oh absolutely will love to adopt this because this this is what we do anyways just on our own time and and they build up their own kind of tool belt of things to engage kids. And so we're I'm just trying to solve the problem for those teachers and say here's easier way we'll just we'll spoon feed you a whole curriculum packaging. Just package it up. And and he he not to say it's that easy but I think it's that easy if if you do it the right way. It's like young people are learning there whether it's in school or out of school. They are learning. They're going to youtube university and learning what they want to learn a also Instead of just learning on that platform like let's find a way for us as people of Color to build that content. I believe I honestly believe We can become the economic engine for the twin twin cities and one of the things specifically people of Color and we think about it as like the new sharing economy right to take a deeper dive. If you don't mind like I think about like the main to Uber. Lift sharing economy right and then AIRBNB. It's like they're making hand over fist. Like impact or money or giving being whatever yeah but eighteen and twenty four in an urban community. Typically they're not able to participate and that's not uber. Lift AIRBNB has fought but they're not able to participate because cars and knew enough or they don't have insurance or whatever they don't own a house right and so it's like Whoa. Where can they participate in the sharing economy so the one asset that people of Color Eighteen to twenty four have is their creative capacity right? It's just like a go. Do something cool go create a video that super super cool go right something go whatever. And it's like they have an endless abundance of content that could create and were saying Gad create that and then we wanna be able to pay for it. UH-HUH NB the distributor and the distributor. So yeah I'm so excited I like it. Seems like a really amazing opportunity because I'm guessing also on that creative side so that we talked about the school staff and like how do you get them engaged. And there's one thing they're going to put a pin and come back to it but on the creative side side I can see also opportunity for you to be able to create more educational resources to teach those younger creatives how to create those videos. That music music those stories and things as well right. Yes Our big vision. Let's just say we can hop five years from now. We want to instead of having this one huge headquarters our goal is. How do we go buy up houses in the community and have creative team studios right and so in communities as of color you know trap House Drug Dealer House? Whatever you know where that houses and it's like Whoa a lot of young people fall into that because that's the only way to make money or that's that's the family that they didn't connect it to but there's no alternative so we're saying no? Let's go buy up houses whereas like you know you can go in there NASA creative house to learn audio engineering that's the creative haeusler Salaam art and illustration and so for us it's that becomes the asset right. It's just how do you nurture that talent to say you are amazing. Your gift is creativity vity and here's a way to monetize it stepping into this space diving into this house. That's when we got one over north and we got one on Rondo got one on the east side and it's like I. I don't know we just see this vision of really tapping into the community and because they then become the greatest asset. I'll make a parallel been thinking. Mothers allow lately Tyler. Perry in my opinion is genius. I feel that in twenty years he will be one of the most powerful impactful people in America and the reason I say that is because Hollywood is trying to diversify or people in general are trying to diversify and so he just built a studio two hundred and fifty million dollar studio. That is as big as off three of the main studios combined. And it's like wh- where do you think all the diverse town is going to go now. It's like forget Hollywood. All going to wetlands stuff here all right and so in twenty forty see the numbers would sedate says that it's going to be the shift where the majority of America will be Black or brown and so if all the black and Brown people marketing in Atlanta will like who do you think is controlling the narrative the the content coming out of Atlanta and so I look at him as a model to say. Hey let's do the same thing for Education Asian or it's like let's go right into the community and find those young creatives who know how to engage students and nurture them and provide them opportunity to engaged kids across the country. I see a lot of parallels with what you're talking about makes a lot of sense so he let me go back to the teacher thing because more of the things that I see this happens in business and I can imagine that you have the same thing classroom because you. You told a little anecdote there that I really got a kick out of what you said like your students are sleeping in your so the mentality that I see with other leaders let alone. Weather's a school or a business. Well that's that that kid is bad. It's it's not that my leadership is bad. It's not that I don't know how to teach a class. It's just this group of kids is not so great. As an educator we had we had to push against that that culture cultural mindset of like. Hey you come to school to learn. And if you're being disruptive in the classroom it's year fought in Union fixture ways is to step back into my classroom and learn secular. And so I you know. Honestly it's if you look at education as a business right and your output is kids that are engaged in class or you're put his smart individual whatever however you want to read it like your business is not producing good quality product right. Black Boys are filling at an amazing rate. Therefore you need to change the systems within your organization to build quote unquote a better product. A better black boy that is ready to engage in real life and so I think that is starting to shift a little bit and especially being that you know now. A lot of the big corporations are expecting you to have a four year college degree if you got skills if you've got the talent like Kamarck us right and so I think schools are starting to see like man. We're starting to lose our handle on this thing. Wherever you go to school Giga grades so you can go to college Gigi? Grace get a good job like that. Narrative is starting to die and so I think are starting to recognize it as starting the dye. And they're starting to change a little bit Could be faster but is is starting to change and promoting this platform like what. What's been working working for you to get the word out? Obviously like you mentioned the network of Superintendent. But how do you start getting it spreading even further. And what's what have you seen working for you and what's not op working. Yeah I would say that as we're closing the end of this year that has been our biggest growth of the thing that we're working through is like how do we tell that story right. And so for a while it was modeled. The Black Tech Guy is building CORETEC. Dario at Youth Lind's three sixty is working with the a youth to create amazing media and marketing Other companies and so now as we're coming together is like what is that language. How remarketing how are we telling Nestorian a story and honestly like we're right in the middle of that right now and it's been it's been a crazy learning experience to figure out how we bridge that gap and so I wish I could say we figured it out? We haven't figured it out yet own but hopefully next year if you invite me back we'll say hey we figured it out of that goes back to the way we were talking about earlier. You make a ton of mistakes for awhile eventually. You find like the right way to move forward right. You know not trying if you're not banging your head against the wall. You're never gonNA see the cracks and where you can you know. Get in there and it the future did no. Oh you're spot on and where we're trying to lean into is it. Do we sell original content culturally relevant content. Are We selling lag like Warren powering. The creative economy you know. Is it something else that we don't see and so we're really trying to figure that out and so one of the things that we're trying to lean into right now now is. How do we really engage philanthropic community right and so based on last I checked Minnesota Philanthropic community is number two in the country for the amount of money they spend on the arts and so how do we shape a narrative that says this could become an economic engine for the arts? where it's like right? Now we give you money. You go do what you do. And then you come back for more money late and you come back for more money later because creatives and Alison our economy. Haven't figured out how to monetize genius yet and you know and say Right and so we're trying to say like hey we could become that economic engine but we need enough philanthropic partners to see that as well L. and say like we are a for profit business but are you willing to sponsor x amount creatives or x amount of resources to create these stories or whatever because because that could be the start of something huge in in the twin cities and and I don't know if you've seen the signs everywhere that says like Minnesota is worse than the nation for educating kids of color right and so if that's the narrative and rather it's philanthropic community your big companies. It's like if somebody lands here and they see that and when you're trying to recruit diverse talent and they're not gonNA come here and everybody in my opinion has to invest in. How do we change that perception of Minnesota education or else it's GonNa continue to be what it is which is not right so so something's got to be something's gotta be done and we're just trying to say we can help with so you know we can help with that list? Let us change it and again like it's interesting challenges because you've got an old institution these schools and things that may have a little the little stuck in their own you know kind of their own worst enemy cases and then like you said you've also got the challenge of finding finding and engaging these creators in a way that gets them committed to it right not just like well do video and then I'm done you know things like that right but creating some sort of continual supply chain if you will of great content into that. I can see definitely figure out. But it's it's it's GonNa it's couldn't take people power you just get the word out you know right. It is and it's having the resources to do it so we've been blessed to have like an early pilot so we had a solid investment from knightfoundation and we're super grateful for a six month pilot that ends at the end of this year to say like our our. How do you cultivate Tim Young entrepreneurs right and so that's eighteen to twenty four and one of the things we we gotta get him the right tools? And then we've got to give them the right mentorship and Blah Blah Blah. One of the things that we learned it is the tools is number one. I like if you don't have the right to as you can't create but number two is just having any type of stable income right to say I can rely on this for the next three months six months ten months or whatever and not to say like hey we gotta pay you thirty thousand dollars but you can you give me three hundred dollars a week right or whatever it is is because of that then puts me in position to where as a creator. I don't have to worry about putting my putting food on the table even basic level and so it's been a great learning experience for us because now as we know razor look for more capital we realize. Yeah just put people in comfortable enough position to where they don't have to go work ed macy's just to make they can just create right. Can you pay somebody at twelve dollars. An hour to just create and then they'll invest their time or their talent into this thing if if you're giving them just enough at least to start is it just the social economical sort of thing or is it turns this mindset of like well no like you can't just go and be a creator and make money what are some of the barriers mindset sort of space for them. Yes so I think it's a both end so if you think about if you are are up until eighteen you typically have a range of different support systems. You have supporting schoo- you can go to local REC center. And we'd have mentorship voters. There's all these these things Yup and then society says well at eighteen. You go get a job or go to college and right and so if you don't choose to go to college like mentorship. Internship is just over lie. Where else do I look for answers and so a lot of the times the young people we connect with? It's like we're super grateful for you guys as an organization supporting us because we had nowhere else to turn right and so even just like hey young people coming in and having conversation Asian about life because they got a community of other people that are going through the same thing has been so valuable and we didn't even think that that was really a thing right and so that's been and superpower will but flip side it is like you have enough talent right now to where you can go make some money right not saying that you don't have to go to college you can still go and sharpen your skills and build your network Dario does a great job of this. So backstory youth Lind's three sixty. Which is the company that Dario my business partner founded rounded three and a half years ago started with one computer one camera in ten thousand dollars right and over the course of the last three and a half years? He's generated generated over half a million dollars in revenue. Working with these young creatives so over that time. He's been able to berth over. Fifty young entrepreneurs being creative through video creativity right and so what does that do for them. It's like okay. Well we're running around here creating music videos one hundred dollars pot right now. Well no you can go to three again. You can go to best buy or you can go here. I'll be kind of the intermediary to put your position and do this and now I can make three five thousand dollars for video. Whatever and so One of the things that he's he's been instrumental in is finding that young talent. That is already amazing and just positioning them to be able to monetize their greatness and so now we're like okay. Well we've been doing that going chasing contracts we could also do that by building our own distribution platform to where we have reoccurring revenue. And we don't have to chase contracts all the time right. So that's that's the move. Yeah I love it yeah. I think it's great. I'm excited. I am so excited. I'm excited too because I mean my entrepreneurial Turell sort of head space I just see so much opportunity in this right away. And and then plus the great impact of it right and the problem you're dealing with is not necessarily institutional problem. It's a people problem right. It's it's I have convinced. Eighteen to twenty four year olds that they have something of value they can give the will get value in in respect. And then I have this institutional sort of side that's like well this is kind of noon. Weird I think it's important that we need stuff like this. You know a show. How can we commit to you know in a lot of that is kind of selling selling in a way rate is just kind of I mean I know selling bad connotation to it and also but you you really gotta learn how to get buy in from folks right yes so? Let's talk about Dario Lyra because the way we complement each other is kind of amazing and so does any sports fans basketball fans listening listening. I I use the analogy of like I'm Phil Jackson Right. I'd love to just create the triangle offense like the system that makes everything work. And we're Dario so is the Magic Johnson is audis networking and he's passing the ball to the right created to be able to go execute at a high level. And so in that we've been able to build a lot of trust with foundations or schools or organizations because Dario is that sharp person and we trust Dario Dario Trust at young person. We then by default must trust a young person to any. So it's been it's been amazing like navigating this whole thing because of the relationships that we've built over the last decade right in our coming together. Say Now we're GonNa do this together and we all right and so that's like uh-huh between me and him we talk about Voltron alike this voltron coming together to make something amazing happened. That's really cool man. Well I WANNA thank you for joining me so if I want to learn more about how how how I can help in this worship. I go where we're working. I find out more Info Wando. Yeah so The website right now is team. Studios T. The L. A. M. Studios Dot Org in there. You can see like all the different Ed tech platforms. We have moving around or follow me on I G at the Black Tech I or at the black-tie Guy Anywhere but talk. I am not my my daughter my daughter trying to give you on there. You know I know this might not be for me so yeah I been talking about it more on the show because it's just fascinated. I got addicted to it really. Yeah my eleven year. Old Son loves an easy. He's got like a locked account with a couple of friends. They mess around with each other and I I just I don't know what it is getting. I mean my daughter. Twelve right and similar age on and all the time like it looks cool but I feel like I'm too old to be on it or something they don't I know I know the funny thing is is that I read statistics. It's getting older like every day really fast like it see. It's stealing a lot the thunder from other things anyways. We usually we do all right anyways. Thank you so much. I learned so much today and I'm really excited for the work that you're doing. I think it's really important and I'm going to encourage everybody here to go and check out the website you'll be able to find it on website in the show notes and all that stuff so thank you again awesome. Thanks for having me. 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Dario Argento's Phenomena (w/Justin Michael)

Teen Creeps

1:24:55 hr | 1 year ago

Dario Argento's Phenomena (w/Justin Michael)

"Jennifer has a few close friends. She's going to need them all this week. On the PODCAST Dario Argentas phenomena. Welcome to team crew. The PODCAST that discusses trashy teen horror. I'm one of your host indicates I I'm another one of your hosts Kelly nugent and today we have a very special guest. Who suggested this movie to us? Oh He's a fellow writer on Infinity Train on cartoon network check. Check it out just Michael. Hello that was a really good little. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much for coming on the show I just wanted to applaud you for are your immediate dive into the Goblin music. Allan listen to it today while I was working and it made me feel crazy Z.. It's so good intent class a lot like Dr Gento score by Goblin just a lot of like war river were were were and then the heavy metal iron maiden yes which I mean. Dynamite dynamite Very surprising rising so this is our first Giao film. I think that we're covering on the on the podcast. I what A OTAS production company. No it's a type of film crack. Oh yes sub-genre like Italian it's not always horror. It's kind of like pulpy Be It's called Jolla which is yellow which is named for the color of the outside of the pages that a lot of these books were adapted from which are like very pulpy drugstore or novels So there are oftentimes horror sometimes not sack podcast. Classic like like very pulpy very like dramatic lots of like sex blood gore and the demons and the classic like dubbing over Ver- even when the actors speak English dubbing over their voices. Was Jennifer. Connelly doing that in this film I thought she was the first listen. I watched it but then watching it just now. I don't think she is dubbing. I don't think she is. She in Donald pleasants felt like they were on IOS on. Yeah whereas I watched the original usual suspects and it's definitely dubbed regardless of whether or not they're speaking English yeah originally. I think the same goes for deep red. Everyone is is is dubbing but it must be the case that she how could she not have dubbed over her own lines for the times when suddenly on the prime video version which we talked about just before starting suddenly it'll the DUB drops out and they're both speaking Italian. I wonder if we go back can watch. Maybe she's dubbing in Italian or somebody else's speaking Italian because I was so jar I was watching it on prime this time and the first time I watched it it was somewhere else. It was like shudder shudder and it has like kind of like a complete totally dubbed version. This one there are patches of. It's an Italian a long time and I the longest one is when she's fighting with the murderer. Mom Yeah And I it was at that point where I was like. Oh maybe I'll just turned subtitles on. I guess and then I turned subtitles on and it was like speaking in foreign language. Subtitle saying I guess not not so. I didn't notice that she her. I didn't notice her mouth was off from English so it might have been that like EXC. Something fucked up happened with Amazon prime and they like I don't know did the attack because I'm sure when it came out in Italy. It was dubbed in Italian. But like why so then she had to have been acting with other people who were speaking English except that I was very clearly seeing people not speaking English and it was dubbed over. I'm very confused. She acting in English with actors. who were speaking Italian? Probably Mix. It might have been a mix and I I. I do know that. The actual actors did their own dubbing. Because it's kind of a style of Jello And I think a a lot of just in general Italian film historically to like save money by doing like basically everything. Dr So like you don't really worry about the sound. Oh you can just get it going. It's like that artists that I watched that I talked about. She doesn't she speaks and then like it very much. Seems like she's Dubbing over her own lines to make it Super Asa Mar backed. I think that's what it seems like. Yeah but yeah so on the fly. You don't have to worry about. Yeah but it. It did seem like some of the extras were not mouthing English particularly in like the part where all the girls are like talk to her. Felt like it was dubbed over Italian or something else like they were just I feel like they were just like do whatever you must do. And then they were like we'll I just got to loop group to like figure it. I didn't know they were in a movie. There were just wandering around. Come on this happened to be like really shitty girls. Yeah Yeah Really Terry. Nobody he told them to do that. In fact they had to add the whole story about Jennifer Connelly being into they were like taunting her about insects. And they're like we gotta make this I. I read on Wikipedia. Well get that book at a maggots that we had off anyway. Lots of bugs in this film anti lots of bugs which isn't tie-in to the murderer. I was very surprised. I thought that her being able to commune with insects was was gonna be also like heavily heavily tied to whatever the school was doing and the murderer nothing was connected. Yes that surprise me yeah. Yeah 'cause from the trailer I thought they were doing like weird experiments on the girls at the school Yeah there's just like a weird school and a murderer and she can talk. INSECTS INSECTS there. Eight movies worth of packed into this and none of them fully pay off but they come together in a way. That's very satisfying for me. Yes Oh oh my God I every single time laugh so hard when that dude head gets cut off by the crazy area so I was like. Oh Marcus yes or whatever your name is who also is her dad's lawyer yes and agent and he said daughter of a famous actor actor. Yeah you know that story that she tells about her. MOM leaving Dr Gento when he was again sad. Sad very sad We should read the up like a like a synopsis. A blurb or a yeah let's see 'cause Everything we said makes yeah. It's hard to even like describe it in a straightforward fashion exactly okay. This description is not helpful in writing all the all the better to read you. With an American. At a Swiss finishing school calls on insects to help a paralysed scientists fight a monster. I think tall really accurate. It definitely has crazy elements. Yeah it's true. It's all true but it doesn't help live II omission wander stand like like well. It's like an American. Yes Joe's Swiss finishing school. Yeah and the area is called. The Swiss Swiss Transylvania. We're told that twice. They call it the Fania. And you're like what and and she can. I think what. What was the description again? I would say it's only little girls on insects. Yes she calls on insects to help a professor solve the murder drew. That's all true should up. The professor gets murdered fairly early in the in the death toll also like she gets put into danger while I just realized how much is in this movie. Okay mostly in the last thirty minutes and she gets put into danger without really needing to be because he's like take this fly. Yeah Buddy cop it up with a fly with the fly in a little bit about loved. It loved loved sitting on the bus with the little glass box with fly and I loved her getting into it with the woman on the bus. Yes the woman is. Unfortunately this is when it dropped out of English relation the woman is just like speaking to her and Italian and then she speaks in an Italian tour back. She's like I don't speak Blah Blah Blah. And so what here. All all say what I thought was happening. We movie there wasn't a situation where she was on the show on the bus with the fly. Another line on the bus got pissed with her. Maybe that happened. I don't know what I thought was going on. And she's holding the fly in thing and I thought that the woman got up and it was like let that fucking fly out of that box. Why do you have that on the bus and she was like you go fuck yourself? I'm American I'm not letting miss fly out. Yeah I don't speak your language. That's what I thought. I don't MM-HMM I don't. I don't remember that Justin essentially from what I remember the first time when there wasn't a sudden lack of English. Yes I think it is. She gets get get this fly off my bus. What are you doing? Yeah and then she was like I need it. You know essentially arguing. I know I need it. I need it. And she's no get off of a bug on my bus. I know you've had a Bumblebee in a taxi early. You can't have a bug on my bus. Also like lady lovingly fumble. I bug that's been on your bus. I guarantee you there are six other the buzzer. You don't know about your welcome while you're sleeping and driving. Yeah Yeah and you're welcome for keeping it in a box. Yeah why are you yelling. It's GonNa leave when I believe. Yeah I have a friend WHO's a professor and he has just a rotting head encased in anything that would keep saying. You're lucky that I'm not carrying on a conversation should with a bunch of maggots on my hands. So just count your lucky stars sued shut it. There are some like like just really perfect horror moments that are just so classic are Gento like okay at the very beginning. Well first of all he loves like people dying through glass right so like so many die through glass like they get stabbed but then they die through the glass or their heads chopped off the girl at the beginning. WHO's like I'm time to anyone here? I'm a foreigner I can't hear you. I know you're here. Also I was like girl. How did you get there? She was she misses the buzz. So you don't break into a house. Yeah because you don't know where you are but so she gets in there and like there's like some change like being pulled against a wall very scary and then like a bunch of shits knocked over and a pair of scissors like falls. Horrific beautiful won't right in the ground and you're like Oh what happens next. Her hand get stabbed. Oh happy scissor. What truly happens next is that she the guy starts choking her with a chain? Oh Yeah right soon as a guy. Yeah it's never truly revealed. Its could have been the mom. It's the MOM. It's I think it's a mom who's Oy dial. Maybe they little boys. That's what I thought is low moist chained up. He hears a girl he's like. I love killing girl. Yes I'm gonNA break away from the wall wall mom's like Oh fuck. My son is loose. I'm going to have to kill this girl. I could chain. Yeah and then when she gets away I'm going to have to stab her in the hand with Peres. Yes yes yes just what has to hang on to win she and yeah and then once we get to the waterfall. She has to die through Through glass I guess. I'll chop off her head. Meanwhile her body isn't Iraq and because she seen a lot of horror movies and she's learned her lesson bike you can't trust that they're dead executives the only one in the movie movie who learned that lesson yes you have to cut off the head. You always have to go for that so okay. I for many reasons like had trouble. Ah Understanding what was happening. This movie So was the head that the doctor had her head. I believe so. I believe that was her head. And then there were the investigators that were there and recapping how things decay for like ten minutes. Yeah also I loved his scientific experiments setup of like the a box with the gloves that you can put your hand like into the sides and like touch the head if you want without actually touching it. I was like listen interesting. It was great it was every cartoon version of what an entomologist would be. It's so yeah big posters of bugs everywhere and just boxes of bugs and also classically. You have a chimpanzee assistant we're about I've ever say social gusted by. It's by worried about his day fused her but okay. Is the chimpanzees name Inga. Yes Yeah I love anger. I loved her so much. Here's what I'm gonNA tell you you're not gonna be happy about this. You can go is very violent. Oh I believe that off part of Jennifer Jennifer Connelly's finger back on and then Jennifer Connelly to hug that so honestly Jennifer Connelly. Donnelly should've gotten chintzy. Guerillas are not chimps gorillas so monkey versus an eight so chimps and girls are apes a monkey tails I see Champs have disgusting big butts that are so discussing I all. I could think while I was every time. I'm the chimp was on screen. I was like I need a chimp as a pet I need one. Oh my God you're GonNa get your looked like all those people that now the one I have is we. Olive raised it from a tiny little baby chimp. I I've said for a great many years now that all all I want in life is to hold I would prefer an orange one. That's just me I would love to hold a little. Ginger chimpanzee baby is is it gonNA wrangling. Maybe you know she had pansy baby. Maybe I'm I WANNA read one. I don't care the right ones are rioting. Yeah Okay I can't tell monkeys a perm races. I can't tell Ya Hunky. ICS They're all monkey I want to hold on. I want them to grab some with their tiny little hand and look up at me admiring. I want every cute animal to do that. Yeah me too me too. And with a if it was a tiny elephant trunk around my Tho thorough all around so cute little bumblebee with its little wings. Curled around my thumb. My eyes went up and away because I was trying to think. What on a bubble appleby would be curled around my would it? Be It stimulates if you want a really truly disgusting experience you can hold smokey and he will try to deep throat your finger cool. So do you want that. Do you want that is. Is Smoking a monkey. Now he's not and then she doesn't coming down I don't I can't tell monkeys chimps from apes from girls from orangutangs but no The okay so then the sky is like I solve crimes by using bugs And then he's like guys remember. This are sarcophagus fly only eats human remains And he said that like nine times so we can. We must like ladies and Gentlemen Book that. Yeah bookmark that in your mind Casey forget there will be his voice over playing Jennifer Jennifer Connelly while. She's whatever trapped in that house he lives at it at least three more two way. I also love that. He's like Jennifer came to the Swiss school like when she first arrived. I wrote down. I was like narration yesterday. Mark and then they never ever happens again. I was like why four Lord one time. When he's like remember forget sly madelynn talking in other words he was telling us the viewer he was so confused? Yeah one time I think I wrote down three notes so I'll just say them real quick since we've already gotten that one where are my notes where okay phenomena. This was Transylvania narrator question Mark Question Marv and want all of their clothes. Oh my God. Oh the wardrobe worn warn it. All of the Girls Pajama set. That she's fucking wearing is great. I want that lacks shirt with the like like silver wings on the why the girl that the SOFI SOFI anyway takes two. She wanted to do. I want that white button up with the long white pleated skirt S. Her clothes were like Beige Beigey. Green trousers white shirt tied off white shirt that she was doing. I loved that I wanted that shirt but they all of their closed directly from. BG's Yeah Oh and you're wearing Michigan has cute Great close the colts were fantastic. I mean I wanted that. Elevate that you know stare elevator later. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. The professor killed two for the professor was a fun kill knife. What a weird knife if you have to like? It's three parts and you have to lock it in. Yeah to like put it all in place. There are so many shots of like when the it would be like this like exterior bar would come into frame and then something else would come into frame and lock into it and then something else on the other end. Come into frame lock into it. And then there'd be either reveal that it's a knife and that happened a couple of times. Oh yeah it feels very gentle sort of thing. He also loves shiny metal social come chrome everywhere. Yeah he also loves and I think this is perhaps also just like ace. I mean. This movie was eighty-five but like seventies eighties. Kind of thing incur. Horror movies is that they're way more slow than nowadays Yeah there were so many but it was so funny like when when she's stuck in the house at the end and she's like trying to get the phone that is such a long seen it is yes so and the whole time. It's like like the juxtaposition. Between how fucking slow everything and Jennifer Connelly is acting with no urgency whatsoever like Scared but she's moving so languidly your face maybe doesn't show any none nine NAS it connelly and I love that for her. Though I was just the whole time watching. I couldn't stop like just like oh I remember how much I wanted to look like her as a child. She's very beautiful yes. She's very beautiful because of Labyrinth I liked her more in this than I did. In Labyrinth Yeah and labyrinth. I find her annoying in this. I was like ooh Dreamy. Hey teen creeps pod listeners. Have you looked at your wireless bill lately. You're probably paying way too frigging much. 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When you're like what the fuck just happened in my sleep? Yeah it all of that. Yeah Yeah Yeah she sleeps she can sleep walk because you know what though she needs to remember to say I am sleepwalking I wake up. Yes and then she does and that she never sleep walks again. We'll she does that one other time. When so she she so should so the second second time that she sleep walks and she says the thing and she stops at the door isn't she still kind of weird and dreamy after that or does it truly stop these like weird and dreamy? But I think she's. She's left the house because after that she's like aware of what she remembers the fire ally. She remembers the glove but she doesn't she travel to like that candle place or is that the first one the first sleepwalking I I won the candle with dying through glass. She only does it twice which is sure it sometimes is just seeing. What's happening can talk to bugs bugs and talk to bug that was sometimes everything is just very brightly lit? Yeah for her. Yeah Yeah and when she's sleepwalking. She sees herself walking through like a very gentle hall. I love stylized kind of sort of doors. That was really cool. It was like the shining but eighties nineties. All making me think that something was happening at the school and she eventually going to find a hallway that looked like that and that they were like doing stuff to the girls behind those doors because then it was so weird to me that she's like I sleep. Walk in there are like great. We have to test you for schizophrenia. We've got an EEG right here machine. And they like lay her out and they put the thing on her head and she's like I'm not crazy in there like We have to wait until the ekg machine tells us whether you are return to Osmo it exactly what it's like. And they put it on her and she's remembering and she's acting every time she has a flash of memory it's as if she's been electrocuted and I was like. Are they electrocuting her. I know I couldn't tell she was just having really scary flashbacks or if she was like getting shock therapy Oliver Dreams felt they made me very uncomfortable. I was like this is a teenager agere and this feels very sexual. It did feel he's a real teenager also like her sounds shoes making joy I I didn't when she was dreaming when she he was tossing and turning it was yeah it was just like moaning. Yeah didn't like that. There wasn't a ton of mail gazing not really throughout the movie. You gave us me. Yeah Okay Camera. We men are into men. Men want to talk about. This is a pro bug movie. I'll say most are very anti bug was like these typically gross bugs dugs are your friends and even when they're it's like even when it's like the bugs have some kind of connection people like their turn out to be scary and evil but these bugs were really like Roic roic solve murder mysteries. Yeah and they were really good friends with her and came to her rescue. Yes S. multiple many times. Yeah the I I gotta say the that that. There's certain bug imagery that like I will never forget ever probably 'cause it's Kinda gross but like the fucking maggots in the hand towel. That is disgusting. I spent a good so the whole section. where she she takes the pill the weird murder mom do not do? I was like you've already fought against this for five minutes and then I'll take it but I'm going to take it in the bathroom where you can't see any work on you take it. So the the whole section where she she. She sees all the maggots on her hand. And I was confused as to why. Suddenly she was grossed out by them because earlier she was just like Oh interesting. uh-huh like communing with them and they were telling her things I don't like that. Yeah it's getting so that. When she sees the magnet on her hands she realized she's been poisoned? She's trying to Barf it up. She seeing maggots in the bathtub. I spent the whole time gray. Her unfolding the hint towel of mind maggots in it. I was like coach sculpting also I like I thought mom lady is crazy but like clean your fucking house. I don't understand why there's fucking maggots everywhere. You're you're allowed one. Yeah that is cried when she falls in the pool a whole. Also you know that that's real Jennifer Connelly's she yes. Well I don't know what it is. Yeah I thought it was bugs. It's not it's Have it's called verminate. It's Vermont. Humans varmints okay it's a Yosemite Sam. MGM Yes when she falls in that pool with all the skulls and remains of the dead people and she. She can't stay a up and so she goes underwater in his like goping breathing underwater. I was like okay that was known Jennifer both the actor. The character dual Jennifer babies. So he was shot in English and dubbed into Italian originally While those guys were it looks like I guess it's just because like you were saying where it's like everything got eight yard and not everything was matching up. I guess Okay okay the ver- Mickey Light. What is Zo? It's a type of Rock I think that like expands with heat so but it's crumbly crumbly. It's weird looking. But she's still like having a gulp that and yeah. It's that water liquid chocolate and essence of men. Oh it does have a kind of like a Brownie. Brownie batter look at it through different ones. Without the skulls it looks delicious. I wonder if you ask Jennifer Connelly. which was the grocer movie to make this or requiem for I would say he's the one we're part of? My hand got bitten off chimpanzee and then I had to drown fake pool of maggots and then just like had had to deal with special effects. Where people's faces were just like routing off? I was relieved for her when she couldn't climb out for a moment. But somehow it looked like she opened the pipe of freshwater your ass thing I really appreciate. It gets out of burden Gordon Maggots and Gross Corpse Water. Also Dr. John Loves to have like a guy that you keep forgetting is investigating being the case. Is this guy going by and I was those laid or you. Murdering I know and then he was trapped it and then he broke. His little was another moment where I was like. That's a never forget that maybe last twenty minutes of the movie. I was just all the end of the movies. Various they really packed a lot. You get a Lotta an hour and a half of just like ooh route heading. BUMBLEBEES INSECT is. And you can. It's fine and then like oh no. Somebody got stabbed that yeah fortunate but then and then just who the Gore Gore Gore Gore. Why did the little boy? Oh well areas moments. I was wrong with his face. I would laugh so hard when she kicks the little because he also darted into loves fucking dolls. He loves creepy dolls so when when she like the like the little train and it knocks over the doll. And she's like your son so I she reacts and I'm like Oh she's realized the doll and then murder mom comes in and and she's like is your son Okay. I think I heard him when I accidently kicked that truck and the woman and she was like I will check on him. I was like seriously you still ensure your it out. And she talking doll. She picks up the doll and the torso is separated from the legs and friendly head is separated greeted. The body was like a string. Jennifer's like don't tell him like that you heard him like like my son. It's a doll I got. You should like a prankster a little. I mean that's really. She didn't care about the mergers trying to prank like murder. Mom Did you set this up just a little fun fun job. You're so weird. Why did the sun the real son have maggots gets in his mouth all the time? It seemed like he had a corpse. Face Yeah right like a corporate zone. I The audit was stitching. But I think it's eyelash I holy thought that his eyes were still at least one of them I thought so too it may maybe was eyelashes. It's a low budget like a local movie and so they made a face like prosthetic and they were like. We're GONNA make eyelashes at stitches. Yeah Yeah like Waco creepy little like Radhi like Hossam mouth like little like protruding from his face with like little baggie teeth and the some of the most disgusting shots even in a half hour full of disgusting shots were when it showed showed his little jaws working with like saliva and mucus and like MAG roaming around the corners and maggots coming out and I was like put out. I was fear rising a whole time. What this sons deal was and why she was like a crazy murder lady and an only only in this moment did I realize oh they never answer no? They never say what we do know is that she was assaulted while she was in in an insane asylum. So I figured that's what the kid was. Mom Yes mom was and the kid was her child from that experience. Okay that's it however ever and that's what I thought. They said that that happened fifteen years ago and that baby had the kid look old no but he was. I think that he's stars US Jesse and that was that was part of it. Also in that moment when she reveals that to the detective or investigator she like pulls open her shirt to show like like star and then he goes to touch it. I why don't you that investigator. Yeah he did have to go like no. Yeah like why am I touching but then the other thing is like yes. She was assaulted and he pulled me through to the bars. He assaulted me through the bars. And I was like you. Did you rape you through those bar easy. Yeah messed quite messed S- jacked up man Jack when I I was wondering when you both I saw this movie because this was my first because I do not like horror movies. I hate horrified I I saw this probably probably like when shudder I came out. I got shudder and then I watched it through there and that was when I was like wanting to to really I hadn't seen a bunch of our stuff inside was gonna make my way through them on shutter And phenomenon was like the third one that I watched and it might be one of my favorites that one or deep red is also on my favorites. But that like this movie it sticks with you because it's so strange gashes bonkers One of his favorites of his own. Yeah he wanted to make a sequel to it. I read through He. Yeah he couldn't get the rights from Whoever you know the the production company or whoever was associated with it Oh bummer That's weird. It was his movie. Yeah I grew up. I was really afraid of horror like I liked horror stuff but I will get scared looking at like. VHS Box covers e to get to know your giggles no thank you. They walk quickly passed the horror section. Because I got scared I would be tempted. I would be like. Oh no no no but I can't but rocket dude. Aw relator I started watching. I senior year of high school. I watched like all the nightmare on ELM street's sleep ovary every SORTA situation of like. Oh okay these are kind of fun and Campy Yeah And I had never seen this until like a year ago And I think I tweeted about about it. And you're like yes this movie crazy crazy because I had it alone and like this. I need to share this with the world. Yeah I'd seen the cover we're on it was like on every free streaming service on crackle tend to be Hoopla all the greats of it also had like a really cool post. Release the one that I thought it was like two hands. Yeah Yeah and that's the spirit for the first time and I was like I gotta check this out and bonkers. This is three times as bonkers. This is crazy movies crazy because this is basically what you kind of thought this was going to be like. It is another sorta like boarding school situation but then yet bad things are happening. There sort of makes sense in this one is like not just the backdrop. Yeah it's like she comes. She goes through school. She doesn't doesn't like the school everybody's mean she. She has dreams so it's like already. Those are two things she can talk to insects. Third thing is murder. Somebody's murdering girls for thing And then like mom and son murder to and also like scientist with chimpanzee friend is a separate situation. That's six and like walking a separate thing already. Oh Yeah Yeah. There's a lot like there's like. I feel like you could pick two of any of these things and make a movie. Yes when I was watching originally I was trying to predict who the killer was and I was like pretty quickly it was like. Oh it's it's the chimp. Because he has guy yeah. That'll be a fun thing and the end. It'll be the chimp and I truly I was like there's as a little child monster. What a fun surprise? It is truly a fun surprise to that is you had no reason to suspect that it would occurs you. I didn't know he existed. And it's not. You can't suspect what you don't know but here's the thing. I don't consider this to be agreed. Gis Twist you didn't see coming because I am a lazy film. Oh yeah you know this is like look. It's crazy brain you're gonNA come along. It's not like Oh you and I bet you didn't guess it. Even though I'd been making you try it knows just like no. This is just a thing that was happening and the job. You had no reason to guess it and it's just what the story is. Yeah Yeah it's just like look. I'm just going to tell my story. I'm not here to guess. So yeah it really. He is just like come along. I'm a crazy brain ride. Yeah welcome all this would be a really good Hans at not scare the fucking pit. Well I feel like a lot of our gento stuff is like when you look at like theme park lighting and that kind of stuff all the spooky stuff at nuts and all that is all just like yeah. It's like just read gels. Blue Gels lit in a way that like I feel like he informed so much horror which is why. Oh why haven't I seen stuff. I'm like every Guillermo del Toro movie is like him. I love our Gento. Yeah Yeah mm-hmm is so like once you see it in his films you're like Oh that's like that's why this is everywhere. Yeah but also like Bennett just becomes so him like you're like Oh that's so our Gento I was about. It's not like it has so much like imagery read that I have seen and other things but not to the point like when we read Agatha Christie. Yes and then there were none we were like. Oh it sucks because like I know this started it but I've seen it so many times before that this feels stale Angie. Yeah better. Yeah because everybody's had to improve not even improved. They had to build build. Build to make you keep you guessing because it they couldn't just keep it that one formula so when you see the first thing you're almost like letdown because it's so simple because it is so it was so pure. It was the thing that started everything. But I wasn't watching this with that same thought. Now this is like its own beast. Beast where I wasn't going. Yeah I've seen insects before. Thank you are so. There's nothing like this and I mean like I I think a lot of it too is so strange that I feel like it's so specific and strange that I feel like gets. It's not something that is I don't know how to describe. Oh okay for example. Like for the Chris thing that's like a plot device whereas like this like like none of this stuff is like plot like new stuff isn't stuff that you're like. Oh that's Gento it's like what something looks like or like the way someone dies is often times by like doll trick like it's all no. It's not the first draft and go for it. Yeah Yeah I feel like it's so much mood and like visual music. Gobble read the script. You'd be like well. This is a mess. We can't make this but it's like a bad. Ah Feeling I've seen phenomena is like twelve presidents that your wife left and It's not because I've seen people die by glass many many times or but when I saw the lindsay anytime anytime and every single time it is because I was killing them. Yeah but I. When I was watching this I wasn't going little trope? Yeah it was I was just because it was almost like its own. It's like each thing that happened was its own little framed art piece. Yeah it's own little passing and it was just like a series of like and now I'm forming this very specifically composed shot but at the same time all all felt like such a jumble we because the pacing of the editing is also him in like a way to like nobody else would like sometimes. It's very slow sometimes time. That's really fast like yeah disorienting. It's like am I. Yeah I do feel like I would love to now right the story of what I thought the movie was going to be. Yeah it's I mean I there oh also like It's one of those things where if you're doing anything else while watching it you will not know what's happening in this movie. There's a couple times where I was like. I'M GONNA look at my phone and then I went. I cannot look at it yeah I was trying to fold laundry that can occur which I know. Watch me Yeah Yeah I respect. I literally was like I looked up and she was like talking to a bug and like normal normal folded the thing that guy like she was falling off of a a the the ledge. No in the closet. When she's she's those rolled up? Yeah and then also I did not like the moment where she falls out and you can see your panties. I did not like that. I was like MSAC phone. Yeah that's the thing you look at your. I can't because she falls down and I actually didn't like that part but I did like the after. Where so she had followed the fly in there While I was going crazy And she like gets the is trying to get something like get some evidence the guy kicks her out and there's like a little hole in the ground there's a hand in their role to the right road creepy. Trust when you said like it's like part buddy caught between her and a fly that's not even and it's not even like not even of crazy joke to make because the professor says to her he's like Oh we've got the greatest detective. Active duo of all time win is getting lie and you because you are understanding the fly in the fly is understanding when you so you just let it track the killer and you will follow along. And that's why she gets on that bus. I remember being giddy. When I first saw that I was going to be a buddy cop with a child and a fly by the IRA mad when nive classmate of hers found her letter and leading it out loud I I was like look it? Sounds crazy on the face of it but you don't understand her. Yes shut up. You're saying you are about to learn and you we've opened up. This can of almost literal word she. She's reading the letter because she's just Jennifer has just been to talk to to the professor and he's like you're something new Mike you discover something new all the time like yes. She is something new. She's special and the grows reading her letter to her dad and says like they say that sleepwalking. Maybe means you have a dual personality and I'm just discovering mine and my other personality can speak to insects and when the girls reading it sounds insane. Yeah and I watching the movie was like Bitch. No you don't get it that is true. It's it's true and it's beautiful and go fuck yourself. I'm mad at you. I love to relationship with the bugs idea. I thought it was so sweet. I loved when the bugs protected her. Yeah it's it's like see that's the thing fucking Dr Gentle can make you think how sweet these flies are like protecting this girl by like killing the scary Maga- mouth. Oh boy that sounds crazy. When you're watching notes a beautiful thing? It's the relationship between a girl and her bug. He's not shying away from showing you gross host bugs in their groceries. It's we'll try to Q.. Nice I mean he's not filming it in any way that you wouldn't just film a Bug Doug but somehow it's like Oh cute little bug I mean she does say I love bugs. I love your times start. I Love Them. I love you Woah. You when all start bullying her and they're like where you're our queen whereby we worship you when they're all surrounding her and then suddenly a bunch of flies swarm the building and then Jennifer Connelly's just like yeah. I loved that great. You know the bugs bugs how they did that from the outside was off grounds in water and then they Who are all the moment that also made me laugh was Jennifer Connelly like fans after after yes it is the most gentle? She did not want to fall down. She did she'd been through enough already again. Handle fingered. Yeah Yeah ooh scary. You said you found a site with like a like seventeen different tagline. Oh Man I don't have it up right now. But there are seven tagline. Oh Seven A. I'll look it up while we're talk a lot. Yeah there there. Multiple tagline is also. This movie was re-cut as a shorter film released in the United States. As creepers right you guys were crying. What a crime bad title? Oh Bagga bad title phenomenon. It doesn't get across. What is happening? Maybe if it was only about bugs we could call it creep backley. Maybe it was only about creepy. Little Little Boys. Yeah but it's not only. That was a moment where in this watch when she was hit by a car. I forgot to mention picked up by those guys. These guys going to be bad and then it was an Italian and then suddenly she was getting. Yeah rolled out of the car. Okay so from my memory. They are just like confused but why she's moving around so much. Yeah and like hey are you okay. I was just sleeping. What's going on Dr Wearing that? Yeah why are you wearing that shit. Sit still and she's like I can't where am I they don't to my recollection. They don't have nefarious nefarious purposes. No not not in there just confused about why she's moving around GonNa make them crash the car because she's trying to get out of the car because she's still sleeping opinion. She's confused until Inga finds her and then I guess bites her finger. Yeah tragic because Inga is such a sympathetic synthetic character all the moment when Anka's trade a warrior Mike God yes and and then Inga. It comes in and is just making her little chimneys and sing on his La and he's like petting him. It is so sad. And then she uh-huh immediately cuts to inger on the roof of the killers car banging on screen. Okay okay so I was watching that movie Mike. It was trying to write in the other room. It was like twenty minutes. I'm like this is the most fucking undoing movie I've ever heard in my life and I was like Oh sorry I was like blasting it surrounds. Also that Apis player classic like Batman like the roof of making her back and I was like oh no. Inga Inga Inka. Nah No because in so much of horror the animal gets hurt or killed not enga nodding baby but I was so killing in in guys. The one who knows style of stabbing is the funniest thing I've ever seen. It's like so slow like just cutting is like a car. I mean the dainty slice Willy Nilly because it was so I was honestly like mean mean mom lady just got up like she's just barely cutting. You're just you have proven your very strong offer that she the actress couldn't because England might have bitten. Sharp Angle would have been there but also Sushi like very easily decapitates. The lawyer agent so quickly cannot decapitate Jennifer Jennifer for has various strong neck strong neck. Yeah but and then so you can't try to kill the murder mom jumps. I'm soft car and is fine but then ain't guys running around in a park and comes across a trash can and I presumed is like looking for food. Yeah and she'll drink some orange juice or whatever yeah and puts it in there and and then gals because she's caught herself on an open straight razor. Oh yeah and then it's like I'm going to take and then walks off with it and I was like well. That's coming back as we know. Inga loves the straight razor began Alpha. She gets in trouble. Inga this cuts things. Let me show you how it cuts paper. The Dow's like she's not understanding that don't do that but she and then he's like she's it's like it's like where did you find this issue points outside and he's outside. How did he get points? That are selling their. I like their relationship. Nations really sad so sad for you was one of the best parts of the movie. He's great I know him. Pretty much exclusively from the original Halloween movies. He plays his doctor Loomis so he's like we thought had more nefarious purposes. Right now just a nice man I guess in all movies he's just like Ooh what are you. Oh you're just a nice man. Yeah Nice Man. He's a really good job of delivering. What could be really creepy dialogue to Jennifer Connelly? All happy happy yes. He's just like so soft and pleasant. Okay wait so people listening to this people. Listen to probably like what the fuck is going on in this movie. So let's quickly glee. Let's try to lightning round. Going on. Is Everything I just said. No more sensical away okay. Let's let's try and like okay quickly. Okay Okay let's each take Jiang's like online. We'll Kelly Justin okay. There's this girl she loses. She misses her bus and then she gets her head chopped off by a killer killer. Okay from there we go to Donald pleasants who plays an entomologist being interviewed by a couple detectives about the death of this beheaded girl. Okay cut to Jennifer Connelly. She's in a car with murder. Mom Yeah Yeah. And we don't know that yet and she's telling her. Oh you're in Swiss Transylvania Nia and Jennifer Connelly's co I'm going to put this Bumblebee The I love insect. Yeah London six. From this point Jennifer school goes to school. She meets her roommate her roommate's like Your Dad's famous and she's like yes. He is in Mike. Have you ever slept with him. I would also I guess her dad's hot for one. We never see him. Also you need to understand that while everybody's lines are being delivered. Their faces are blank. Yes every airplane. No emotion no emotion. So her roommate's like your dad is famous and hot and she said Yeah I know and their friends her roommates like well welcome to school. We just got yelled at by the very beautiful head Mr Mary beautiful and I'm GonNa Watch. TV I've got headphones ED funds. That's fine tonight then. Jennifer Connelly has a nightmare that is also a premonition of which has happened or is happening. She she bugged via the bugs are communicating with her. The girl is being killed. And she sleep walks and she we see her going through these like weird creepy kind of like nightmare tunnels which I think were they supposed to be the tunnels down below murder. Mom's house Sokovi now probably I. I didn't realize that I don't know I'm just trying to get there was there were so there's one tunnel that looked similar but it wasn't lit the same. Yeah I don't know but she wakes up. She was like Whoa. Where am am I on? Everybody's mad at her. She's suspicious too but she she wakes up and she All of a sudden a champ taking her hand walking taking her to the place. entomologist is like oh you like bugs sorted like my dad asks assistant whose murder. I'm trying to greet. Her name was I'M GONNA go back to school. So then she goes back to school and people are being a little bit weird to her She's on the phone because sleepwalking. 'CAUSE sleepwalking had she already seen. Did she come to the Kennel murder. Kendall murderer was during sleepwalking. Sleep sleepwalked. Oh that's right. And she falls off alleged yes so she during her sleepwalking sees the second girl being glass murdered. Yeah and then then. And that's where she sees the Inga and then she was back at school and they're like you slept walk. You're probably crazy that's right And they're all also kind of like just kind of bullying her a little bit and she says it she wants to leave and and I'd like to her in a cafe calling her dad's agent Moyer. Oh it's Passover the Passover shout holiday and she's like what holidays like Sal. Okay okay I was like all right. Dario John and I was just happy to hear Passover in a movie about it didn't happen and so she's like I want to come home school sex. They think I'm crazy and she and then she's like Passover I mean and then it gets confusing that she gets this. She's she's getting bullied by the teachers and then she goes back to entomologist. Oh that's right and that's when he's like you're something new spray's like. Oh Yeah. Oh yeah and I wrote down your exciting citing him. And he's doing his best to excite you and he somehow does not creepy. AMVEST TANABE so creepy. And she's 'cause she's like and to think we've only just met. He's like yes. I'm not going to respond to that. You're a teenage girl. I'm a grown man. Don't want even touching that with the ten football the ten foot knife to be standing for knife that takes three hours to put together eh escalate so then she goes back to school and then she gets bullied by the girls. Okay and then. She's like bugs bugs. I love you all and then the bugs and then every damn this is real and then she liked very slowly faints Like grandma baked most like graceful ooh graceful way and then she wakes ivy in her arm. Forgotten part is creepy. Oh hello teen creeps listeners. 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It was like she was like I think she was trying to set her up as like Babbit. She seemed really nice. Usually only nice one rounded friendly. Yeah yeah yeah she was like yeah. I have to watch her while she sleeps. Okay that's not holding you're still. Then she dies dies unfortunately and maggots tell Jennifer Connelly that she died. Yeah and that S- dice when the she must write the letter to her dad's saying that like she has second personality and that's when they signed the letter and that's why they all start bullying also murder. Mom is like what is her job. She's liaison airport and drop off awfully. Yeah she's just like yeah calculations gosh she school talent relations. Yeah and that was like we barely see murder mom and yeah yeah beginning and end thanks. She's trying to get away and then at this point some she goes well she teams up with the bug. Yeah as the profits fly row. Yeah after after all. The students terrorize her and then the flies are like stop it. Then she goes back and gets a maid she breaks while she breaks Outta the lie she gets she breaks out of the. Oh yeah yeah the hospital room. She's being watched sleeping nurse and like she is so loud but it is very much sleep if she like grabs paxil or stuff up like a cuckoo clock starts to go and she's like Oh shut up and like hits the cuckoo clock nurse still sleeping. She leaves in very very cliquey clap. Your shoes still sleeping. She goes to and and small. ENTOMOLOGISTS DONALD PLUS Donald Presents. And then fly. Goes the house. Go to the house. Were the first girl was yeah. Tourist girl was killed and Find some other guy there to like what is it. He we always is agents. This House hasn't been lived in for six months. And she's like well that's confusing and then leaves and then that's when the inspector suddenly shows up and I was like Oh right there. Yeah he's so suddenly he's he's like he's sort of just one step behind Jennifer Connelly and her bug partner but then he saw gets ahead because then he gets captured and put in chains pains. He's still behind because at that point of ocean win their house so so she like she gets out of there. She's like I'm GonNa Call My dad's agent lawyer. I WANNA leave the school sucks. They think I'm crazy. They're trying to hurt me. Oh and while she's out making McCall murder. Mom shows up and it's like you should stay with me I'll take the AP. Oh yeah because somebody she. She leaves a message for lawyer agents and then goes to the airport expecting there to be a reservation therefore air for her. Yeah there is none right then. Murder Mom shows up and his lake. Oh yeah there's going to be tomorrow come stay at my house and instantly starts it's acting shady bonkers. They slice I now. I don't have glasses on an evil and I'm wearing a lace shirt and I'm in welcome in my home. We're all my mirrors are covered. Also she'll wake him who my son who is not licensed space because it upsets. I'd like it to meet him. No you wouldn't. You would meet him and then just know that at some point. Professor entomologists has been stabbed. He's an English is on the loose with a straight razor and this whole time that like this lady's Acting Really Shady Oh and then she like touches Jennifer Collins head. She's like Oh you're burning coming up. I have to give you these pills. And Jennifer Connelly is like. I don't trust that but for some reason I'll eat this past fight for a really long time about wrestle. We just went and turned into Italian. Talion again and I was like Unfortunate I mean she was just yelling. Take the pill sick. You're sick assumed. Yeah but then she. She agrees to take the bill but she's only going to do it locked in the bathroom and then and then you don't have to take it since she does take it to hand towel happens then hurt. She gets really bad stomach cramps so she starts to try and throw up the pill she can't. She drinks a bunch of water to try and like get enough so that she could barf it back now. She's gagging yourself and I started throwing up the whole time Mirdamadi banging on the door being very annoying very annoying even for murder mome like everyone wings. Come on murder. Mom Stop Pitch. We don't need any snack. I'm trying to bark up the first knack you gave me I. I mean I had it and I loved it not poison also like what are you doing. I'm like that door is so thin. You hear her. She's barking. You know what she's doing it comes in and somehow Jennifer Connelly's been like gagging up bile for a minute like little mini at least and yet the whole pill is still sitting in the thing. Yeah for murder mom to have seen that she threw it up. Also clean up your Mass Jennifer Connelly like just pick it it up throw it in the fucking toilet flush the toilet rinse it on the sink but instead what she does is when mom looking at the pill she walks slowly to the phone and and is like I need to call it was like yeah very casually casually calling. Of course she gets stopped she gets locked in a room right. And it's I think Moore I'm doesn't kill her then because the detective shows she's like Oh okay I have to deal with this. Oh and that's when the inspector is like by the way you were you were attacked in a institution the institution right. She goes yes. I was here either scar. May I touch it. No even say mad touched Aegis reaches and she's she's like no other mom and I think that's crazy. Yeah there is a quick thing where he like he goes to the insane asylum and the guys like nobody could have gotten out out and he's like yes. I'm more curious about who came in. And that's when they go to the guy who attacked her but we don't know that yet then he shows up. He's like you. You got attacked it in insane asylum. And she's like yes I did and then you're starting to put it together that like. Oh maybe the sun is who got brought out of the insane asylum technically has been killing people. Then she liked Bonk's him on the head and and lock them up in her basement and then he's covered in blood and he is like in a room. That has the disgusting bone body pet. It looks like the biggest dirtiest college bathroom. Yeah so I mean inspector has been. Here's gotten a shit beat out of looks horrible. And he's iconic onic bright red circle blood like paint Also like this bitch. Has Her house fucking set up for killing people. She god-like House. Yeah so he's in. He's locked up. What's your name? Connelly has found her way into like a little tunnel on all and she liked me through the phone down there. Yeah Yeah and she dovan after it. She's about another letter to the inspector. She's about to talk on the phone to lawyer agent when a bloody arm grabs her inspector but she doesn't know he's trying to say earlier she freaks Out Falls in the pit grows grows grows rinsed off by some extra water good. He brought her mom racking up. Just laugh as cackling autism tonight. She's just like this is so we'll she. This was a big prank for it was yeah I do. I like yeah like I can't get over health on it is that she locked up the police ace inspector and the girl she was trying to kill is now drowning and her corpse pit and she liked. This is whole Larry. You're so losing. This is my TV V. Watch and laugh and stomp on your fingers when you try to talk like honestly I were her. I would be laughing. I would like I would truly think like this is. This is hilarious getting away. And he found a cop but he's chained yet he can't help you at all more scared of the irony. Yeah now you're drowning in a pit. All you like you fell exactly where I would have put you actually actually yeah. It's Oh what a what a riot. Yeah and then he starts choking around yet. 'cause he has broken his thumb. Yes without without screaming at all this is sort of going through. It is especially because his arm is drenched in blood already ready. Yeah pulls holds it out start strangling her Jennifer Connelly skedaddle Jennifer. He just saved you. Could you help him out. He does he di. Oh I think he gets killed by murder mom they they have a little fight. And then people left standing are Jennifer and Inga. Gotcha yeah at the very end. Yeah thank you dies there. Yeah Yeah I think Also oh she runs. She comes across murder son and then she walks in the corner. He just looks like a normal boy. From Yeah Zeke. Miller looks like an eight year olds crying by girls. Like you're GonNa hurt me. No Oh and she's like don't worry your mom can't hurt you. I'm here to help. Don't worry about it. Turns them around mangled corpse rat face. Yeah Yeah Yeah with maggots and just mucus losing from his little rat mouth. Yeah Gross. I'm getting out of here. Yeah gets on a boat river or something murder sons in the bows and the boat. He's got a really long pointed he's got that long pointing knife the pipe yeah tries to stab her stabs the the engine the galloping the yeah the like gas US engine right just called an engine motor thank you stabs the motor. They're they're wrestling flies. Come to save her and I I was like I'm glad that came back. Because that was like the flies. Push him in and also like a fires started well She like a dumb dumb even though she's I presume saw the motor get stabbed. Gasoline is just been leaking leaking leading. She still goes to start right. Promoter blows up the whole lake catches fire. She has to swim underwater. All my God murdered. Her son grabs her. Aw Gallatin murder son like corpse dying skin anymore. He's just like a eaten up corpse and so then they fight. Underwater are scary. Yeah and I think genuinely you might think. That's the last of the monsters in this movie because slows down after that as she swims. Yes then she's she's like she's getting her bearings he's learning. And what WHO's this coming over the hill. It's lawyer Agent Morris. Yeah Oh has no head says yeah the arms out and it's the most heroic lawyer ever looked at a movie so same with bugs. Yeah it's hilarious. This is really for like fucking sheet. Sheet metal comes in decapitates him so quickly I was like no jarring on perfect perfect and then uh-huh murder mums back with a piece of sheet metal and is trying to like now stab it through Jennifer Connelly's neck even though it was so easy second is so he's pushing down. Yeah well your agents have very just like tissue got a thick skin they gotta deal with alive you know they have tissue paper. That's right ethics skin. Well we've seen her survival more. Yeah all of a sudden who comes in Ingo with a straight razor and just gently like Oh oh so gently sweeps the straight razor across murder. Mom's face which is somehow inexplicably like then just like in like melty yelps yes towers. It was making me nervous watching the light. ragging that's also are gentles wife earliest at the time really wait. She was raped. She was really good. His ex wife worked in glass. Don't know if that has anything to do with your session with glass interesting. They have probably don't he doesn't glass. Yeah yeah so then like we got that hookup. Inga is like horrified with herself. 'cause like she was protecting Jennifer but like it wasn't she wasn't put on this earth to kill writings and then like very like like shot. The straight razor with the bright red paint blood an English like no throws it away. Jennifer Hugs Inga. And does anybody show up or leads to Blah and it's like and the second watch of that was More nerve wracking because I knew about the biting the fingers and I was like Oh my God I watch her. She's like she has to get in real hug. Really close really yeah. They do not knowing that I was like what a gentle beast also like. Fourteen fourteen eight mishaps onset and it happens a lot. Yeah every now and many people got bit every single person every single but but a lot of people that have them as pets literally genitalia eaten off. I don't know why Taylor they go for it. It's a like it'll go down fucking killer. You know where to go. Yeah and that's where it's like. Whenever Edwin is playing with any toy that has like any kind of like living creatures creature shape right for the crotch shape toys for him? Yeah we have a lot of balls added Edwin Nova crotch every time. My docs in Dixie was like that too just right for the crash but how do you know. Yeah she knows where to go because it was Internet. Yeah Did you find those long lines or did you. Not Those they live on you notes it it looks like Oh yeah I mean a lot of them are monkey bit off part of the people. Call the Swiss Transylvania. Why oh I I don't know and then love that love that I don't know a lot of these are just head chopped exclamation point? headrest out happening. Paul Corvino is my father. These aren't helpful notes. sleepwalking is cool. We bookings coup doc. I wasn't sure if they were like reaction notes or facts about the movie note. I think they started as facts. And then it was. I love a funicular cool hat gen cool has it wasn't quite as it. She was. Yeah riding down the cable car. That's going down Downer up the But she's like sitting there writing in her diary or she's wearing her school uniform and she's got this cool beret can uh-huh yes I liked. I liked that hat or the wardrobe and this whole movie is now like very much and yeah it's really cool. It's somehow like doc. All the girls are wearing like cool guy. Close our is very into it. I really liked it. It just seems like effortless but cool yes it it was like very relaxed. Like high school. Sophisticat yes I think it had that international aspect to it too was like very ma ma. Yeah Yeah Really Nice. Did you like this movie I did. I was gagging the last twenty minutes of it but it was an enjoyable watch. Yeah yeah feels like it. It would be a good group watch too yes. I've only seen it alone to feels like it would be fun to have friends. Yeah in Eh. While you're watching missed too much. Yeah yeah it would. Also I think like an this might be true of any agenda movie. I think would be like like cool to have on in the back hallway parties. Yes just because the visuals are visually arresting. Yeah Yeah here's a quote my one last thing. It's normal. Oh for insects to be slightly. telepathic grounded base reality of this movie is not normal for me. Ah I like that for that movie though Well I I was really happy to to watch this movie. He was a ride and a half. Yeah Julius Awesome. You guys should watch it. It is available on shutter. It's available on Amazon prime. If you want yeah I'm parts in Italian will switch to Italian and it's sort of fun and you don't see it coming. I mean if you want for free. It's on HOOPLA. Oh Hey nice. And there's a video game somebody made based off of this but it's not related to the movie but they were such a big fan of phenomena. Yeah that they clockwork or Cli- our that game now. This is the game like I've I was so curious on so I only have like vague memories of it from playing it in nineteen ninety five or ninety six And it was. My cousin had a playstation so that was like the cool cousin right. Whoever has the play station so we I think we rented that game from blockbuster and it was I just remember screaming and like running running away from a person with giant scissors and like make sense and and not really under? This was during the time when there wasn't the Internet so you couldn't like look up up how to play and if you didn't have like the gaming magazines yeah then like you're fucked so like we didn't. We rented it. We do not know what the PERP like. We didn't know what to due survival game and I remember just like running and like always trying to hide in the bathroom and he always finds you in the bathroom I I truly my memories of our so scant. It's just like you're running around your discworld who's modeled after Jennifer connelly running running around this mansion and there's a guy with a big pair of like sharp shears. That's GonNa cut you up that letter literally. That's all I remember. Looks walks out. Apparently got re released again. Did at some point on a playstation console that yeah it's like on what on like ps four or something. Oh My god God. I'M GONNA play this game. I want to so I was like I gotTa Find Yeah. It's called Clock Tower Clock Tower. I believe or clockwork. It has clock in the title Title Tower Game. I'M GONNA write my game. His form back gonNA write my version of what I thought the movie was GonNa be. Yeah and I'm going to call it clock Nava that's really WANNA do. Thanks murder murder murder with huge gross ass huge. Look Look God. I don't know delete the episode. Lean says all worthless now Them there's a clock tower three. WHOA okay I only played wind? Yeah ninety-six is when it came out Shoot I think they only have have it on. Hold up may station too. Damn that's a relevant system saying well you know Game Cube. Yeah I think actually do have a ps two somewhere at my parents house. Play it A couple of wanting to be I'd say should watch give it a thumbs up as a should watch yes for sure. Thank you so much for coming on and doing the show. Thanks for talking about this movie with me. Thank you alone letting shame about it. I feel like screaming the whole time. Sorry screams screams at the music is screaming at you. It just puts you in a scream. Screaming moved 'cause we all just watch. Yeah literally we just all just watch yes. Do you have anything that you would like to plug. Checkout Infinity. Train rain on Cartoon Network Batman the animated podcast at the podcast of mine about Batman the animated series. We talk about the show episode by episode upset with people who made the show and fans of the show. That's great and I don't know other things at adjusting. Yeah Yeah you're on the social media's at the Justin on all of them yeah I think so and it's not too late now. What are you GonNa do going back in time? nope yes fine Justin there. Yeah next week. We are reading broken hearts for an angry Valentine's Day yeah fun. Rl Stein joint. Yeah it is well. 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Episode 18 : Judge iniimbestigahan dahil sa nawawalang cash evidence sa kanyang sala

Guerrilla Podcast Syndicate

09:06 min | 8 months ago

Episode 18 : Judge iniimbestigahan dahil sa nawawalang cash evidence sa kanyang sala

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40. El Camino Review FT. Dario Carrion

The Basement Diaries

1:35:01 hr | 1 year ago

40. El Camino Review FT. Dario Carrion

"On Him and I are talking about El Camino a breaking bad movie so before you listen make sure you've seen it it's on Netflix right now hi everyone welcome to the basement I'm your host Wesley Dilbert today we have reoccurring guest on Dario Kerry podcast together soon I don't have any details other than that were brainstorming tonight on different ideas so they may have really liked you as an actor but you don't you're chemistry doesn't match with the other person they're casting which is fair that's go find it watch it and then listen to this episode so I have warned you so don't get mad at me we warn you throughout the scatter brained I guess would be the right word because we just get on so many different topics that the game because oftentimes is an actor I feel like you're doing it all alone and you don't really know if people are responding to your work especially if you don't get a callback that's kind of a sign like oh well they didn't really like my work but then when you do then I just get depressed and then I don't I don't continue on with it I have I have kept at it and I've done thirteen auditions uh-huh keep you posted about that but I have no idea when that would happen either because we're in the early stages of planning it but another podcast is town so that's exciting yeah so it feels good you know put put your work out there and actually have someone respond to it ax and I booked one project which is really awesome I booked a short film that will be shooting November third in China should be a fun month I actually have really dropped the ball on scheduling interviews lately so I have a lot of catching up to do I've been and yeah we you know I gotta say Dario and I get together it can be a little bit this month from September twenty fifth to now I've done thirteen auditions which I'm really happy about gotten three calls my defense I've been auditioning a lot I been keeping an audition log like a good actor supposed to do although I've never done I've tried before we also talk about breaking bad the series a bit too and our relationship with the series our love affair with the series if you will actually get into the breaking bad movie but that's that's the fun of it I think but yeah Dario and I are also planning to start our own it's kind of like can we talk about the topic that we're actually supposed to be talking about they takes us a good like fifteen minutes episode to so many spoiler alerts throughout but I really loved the movie Dario seemed really loved the movie on the Horizon Folks so stay tuned let's see anything else faith service is next week so stay tuned for that and then November that's a fair point but yeah and that actually ties back into El Camino with Aaron Paul I remember him saying that he tested had a callback you're like yeah they liked my work all right but they didn't like it enough to cast me or not even that but like there's a lot of stuff that goes into that like Oh for Britain screen tests for breaking bad he the only person that was fighting for him was Vince Gilligan everyone else wanted a different person but the ended up then Gilligan ended up saying he wouldn't do it without Aaron Ball and now look where we are ten years later with him starring so too so little over an hour and a half which I think every minute of it you'll either be laughing or zone breaking bad movie which I just think it's so cool but yeah we talk more about the movie and a little of the behind the scenes stuff too week as well we have faith on she is a delight and yeah let's let's see what happens in the basement November also because I'm you I'm a total breaking bad nerd so just indulge that for a while while you're listening but yeah this is an extra long just as in the dark about it as you are so enjoy episode forty of the basement diaries maybe crying because you feel so sorry for us now it's a really fun though make sure to stay tuned for next Oh yeah we're recording get over there hurry up don't we the last time we were using the word toddler jot yeah some people wrote row back on competing in now okay no worries you might want to pull that area I don't know how far from here I mean I'll have all night actually we do but I have I have to a certain time and then I have to ride I had some coworkers of my no good just make sure it doesn't fall off the edge there is a uh-huh yeah those got lost one of them I think I did legitimately lose them and then the other one I think it was like technically that type I think it's good I made sure of that earlier I prepared you know is a good podcast host or does holster influence words some some people listened were saying like a CO worker or a few corridors it is a good podcast hosted good podcast I coined the term podcast host or POW podcast hosted only people. Yeah I'm the I'm the only person that listens to this I hope that's not true you're selling yourself a little short I think a good amount of people ordeal at back on instagram. Oh Yeah we're like there was this one guy he was like he's like I think I'm gonNA use is the word toddler oh perfect like in like regular conversation great we're reaching out we're influencing people out there I don't know for is the host and sometimes on it so most you're the most recurring guest that I have this back because that's right did ride a bike I taught me how to tie a tie but it did look at youtube videos on exactly how to do it like yeah it's like three steps and you're done but the windsors the one that I had to like my Stepdad tried to teach me and I did it the first couple of times anytime me but then I just yes I didn't mean to bring up Ed Shit that was for the end of the episode I love it so much sorry this dark I tried to do it I mean I can do it myself this way now but it took me a while to like get used to like not look into a reflection you know shoes but then third time's charm and that one went really well the first two you were like re recording from my ipad no I was recording from my yeah the lost tapes yeah we had the first few ones the first two I think right yeah the first two hoardings your third time fourth time on the show well actually third recording yeah third have been here probably five or six times think like a tech person you know because I don't I don't think I have that naturally so that means watching a lot of youtube videos yeah exactly but hey if I can get five more people to watch this movie boom yeah Netflix we're talking about El Camino breaking bad movie so spoiler alert obviously if you have not seen the movie Pas this right now go to net flicks computer but I still like learning how to do it and stuff so I was you know we're not exactly at tech Wiz I mean I am now you still hear you pretty well yeah but will the people at home already well is is much ado I am the people at home you are the apple are going to be like Jesus dude got some shit but I actually my my step dad was the one that kind of your daddy issues that'll be for a different segment we can talk about that maybe it'll relate to this somehow what's the just a regular Windsor Windsor not now I still don't know how to do that one I just do like a regular small yeah that's like very simple be random music so I think it's just like an if I had someone do that for me I also want to pay them you know right and I just don't Steve Free music like the first few episodes did but then I was like I don't I if I have any music I want it to be from someone that I know I don't want to just but yeah okay so we're here to talk about about El Camino real talk about your dad yeah rates out to me ninety certainly added that in I've never really done that I've never same thing about is that when you first meet Jesse and breaking bad you think he's this for context what do we get your information from somewhere I got some good some good how to video yeah they do did you when you were a kid did you ever use the like how to tie a tie have you ever thought about having an introductory little jingle I have the at the only thing is like a little segment thing or something yeah I did like I had some royals like edited sound effects and I should start doing that yeah but is that more of like a daytime radio thing like a morning show I don't think you have to you don't have to pull yourself for more I but more versatile than I am I don't I don't have an it's tough man I don't I really had to push myself to like right on there it's your own fault though because you haven't seen it yet yeah I mean it's literally been I mean when this episode comes out will be over a week so you've had time to you have artists like to take care of artists yeah exactly so if anyone wants to do a theme song for us for free found out I think I try to think like tech person and he's watching Ted guy ninety-three hey I mean okay we like it it was like funny and shared and I was like man thanks for listening and that's awesome yeah it was like my friend Wesley is I self I'm pretty sure it sounds like you're making fun of like me so phony so me so horny cutting that out phone you know but that's an actual thing loved it every time they they are they are cereal Oh yeah that's it they are murderers and the don't belong real killer I mean I don't think the to necessarily killers are good at making you believe that they're not serial killers that's true that's true they like you there what is I know there's a lot of people who have issues with like hearing stuff like that but it's also like our stuff oh yeah like listening people like so maybe some people enjoy it I don't know maybe but then I feel like I'm just by doing that we've lost a lot of listeners already because there's a lot of people that hate there's yeah but we're talking about the breaking bad movies Camino El Camino a breaking bad movie I saw in theaters I which was awesome I had to start paying me anything from that sounds like a Hayden's win things not even that no one's reached out to me box I guess yeah Wesley you be you think outside the box no sound effects cool for his own pleasure but he he did it but yeah he did but yeah we're talking we're not talking about that Netflix watches so that's your fault it's your listeners come on like five people as Damn Goddamn it on my own time I was like looking at youtube videos and just kind of like mirroring and just doing it back and forth yeah I learned it I literally had to do it in the mirror to get it right because now I also don't ask everybody I see if they like it so we could know a neil's on chalkboard loving person yeah and they they might not be in public I don't know I think they're I think they're fine you ever met somebody who likes that that way yeah you know the doors open say we'd probably even pay I'm sorry that is so reading I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm starving so we are not saying you should but if you dislike if you're a fan if you're a fan and you WanNa stab at theme song night I don't know if it's like fear I don't know if it's a fear like just think is discomfort with yeah like people eating almost like thing today's maybe maybe Wednesday no Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday it would be better about this later talk show up but yeah so it was a really cool experience to see breaking bad in theaters because I loved the show growing up like should we make a date to go to go yeah let's do it next week yeah when you free wins best for you Tuesdays and Wednesdays Tuesdays the idea it was showing the it was just for last weekend a brief little run but it's on Netflix it's too I saw it at the music box Dan from Malcolm in the middle on we should watch it you're fifteen hours fifteen when it came out I was a freshman in high school it was two thousand In one of those small theaters there it was like a nice intimate experience it was really cool I think that's why the tickets sold out so fast then I do have a few grey hairs in my head now oh do you yeah all the stress yeah the financial stress yes sure the people that like from first glance or like oh no I've known him or her for like ten years Yeah Ted Bundy like we've talked about the track one that's a very prominent I don't know if you can like oh I can kind of see around here yeah yeah how do you feel about that it's you start watching it when I was the first episode aired on AMC does when I was fifteen years old my dad was like there's this new show with Brian Grant he didn't know the monster he created he really man he unleashed hell on this world it's so good Dude ex-movie to tie back in we're talking about I try to stay on topic we always get that's that's a whole game of it I feel like it there's like limited seating limited sue because they were showing joker in the austell haven't seen it neither have I so I want to know should we can you like nails on my chalkboard like not an appetizing or attractive sound now no not at all there was someone even know this hasn't even aired if you could play like like like sad violin music way we're saying that it'd be we are in a way I know we are here to talk about the breaking bad movie so I saw it in theaters it was a great experience I so where was I with that you've got the handsomeness Oh thank you I was about halfway there thanks the term isn't it like me so phony or something like me so I think that's actually what it's called Yeah I'll fact checked yeah Charlottesville stress is just stresses of life in general but we're not here to bore people with that Lina Jesse Jackson Guy Some Daddy Jesse picked had has had a father figure he did you know that's the the okay so everybody we're going to see joker Tuesday and this is where we're going and exactly what time yeah exactly Regal Cinemas Oh yeah it was talking about watching it growing up with my dad when you were fifteen yeah and you know when my parents suggests some that I'm always like yeah whatever an eight when it came out oh yeah that I was sophomore in high school that's year older than yeah you are probably actually seven pm so be there or be square come and bother the vibe people are listening so you had something to look forward to that week exactly and breaking bad was one of those stories that like really pulled you in like like like the first episode Oh silver box I want to kind of go for like a Latino George Clooney at some point you've already you've already you're already halfway there cooked immediately on the first episode Oh yes what it's supposed to do the pilot is the pilot episode as opposed to do that but yeah a lot of shows are yeah it takes like a few episodes waiting for the you know I felt like I was just living my life in order to watch breaking bad on Sundays guys like I just have to get through all this school a couple of guys on the floor that was yeah it was such a good hook exhibit who told me about it then I watched the show with my dad he knew like it and I loved it he didn't like it that much it was a little too intense for him but I kept watching it like every week thank breaking bad is really one of those first shows that like Lynn's itself to bench watching because each week you're like Oh my God what happens next live yeah yeah the most attractive he was like very charismatic in you know like he's the furthest person that that would ever like kill people yeah man yeah what is what is this guy doing in his tidy Whitey in the middle of the desert gun with a gun and a kid passed out now so it's really easy if you have a subscription that net flicks I don't know many people that don't have Netflix so so if you have net flicks to be like hey you should watch breaking back because I know I know that I didn't watch it when it first aired like had to do they had some like reruns of late and that's part of the reason why El Camino was on Netflix because it's like almost like a thank you to them for saving the show exactly yeah exactly we're for CEPA SODA was like I've never seen I have never before breaking bad scene got all stuff or whatever that was like the thing that was getting through the media I can watch breaking bad when it's back on Sundays I kind of miss that way of watching TV too you know like looking back now I I love that show and it's honestly a lot of the reason why I got into acting like I remember watching that show and being like this is the shit it's a really get into it but we're bringing it was like right away you were like I immediately want to know what is GonNa Happen to is that why why are they because of the I mean spoiler having seen and that's when it really started picking up steam as because people were like benching it wants to force season started like the viewership like skyrocketed that certainly between seasons Oh yeah they kind of have like a marathon to catch up yeah exactly did you did you watch it then before got on net flix yeah I watched the power I forget that you all man Yeah I see gray and your beard I do have gray and do really I was just kidding I know I have like one too van Oh yeah the RV it's like the flash forward floating in the air that's how it starts and he's like underwear and you're like the fuck like what's happened WanNa do Bryan Cranston amazing flocking just blew me away in that show and like even even do and so what is this guy from Malcolm in the middle what is The Hague from Malcolm in the Middle Right how hell fuck people are going to get me active drug show itself as an addictive drug yeah man but yeah get you but I like I'm not mad about it it is it's it's so addictive like I so I had to weigh every single week on the start of the two and I re watched it a bunch obviously the next I took your fucking crack fiend at the episode he's like I need my next fucking fix right now which is kind of ironic because the show is about an back in ten years or fault yeah a like I seen is is him drew driving or they're both driving down oh you tired starts these yeah yeah before we got on Zoe Dude Holy Shit but yeah because it came on Netflix I think after the third season yeah I think he's on so he's currently one of my favorite actors in Hollywood right now yeah me too he's great yeah it's hard to need to in the middle he kinda blows me away he is so he's fucking hilarious so funny and so like detailed with his character work like is mind boggling who is just incredible so it's nice to see this movie like him being able to take like the lead rein of the yeah yeah yeah because he was basically he it's like refreshing to look back on that but yeah it's a it's a really good book and he's definitely one of my actor ons moved up to same dude but yeah I mean and now with this movie coming out and Aaron Paul also Aaron this star think but it's a really good book and it's all about his journey to becoming an actor and his time on breaking bad and Malcolm in the middle and all that stuff your mother drop the mic yeah all over the stage has amazing no one to say and I was like well this one way I can connect with them you know such a great answer that's amazing yeah he's so good and breaking bad he he can also sometimes like in that show overshadowed by Bryan Cranston. Yeah excuse me I'm sorry I felt bad for the kid but also like he probably you know gotten a spotlight because of this he asked Bryan Cranston away has his book life in parts I think it has as a really like as actors I recommend that you read it finish it it's a great book for actors to read because he really started from nothing basically like he his dad left the bottom yes started from the bottom now he's here boom mic drop by drop did you ever see that mic drop he had Bryan Cranston you he was at comic ton one year and someone someone like I heard about it was like a local albuquerque kid I think it's because he I think he approaches them in a similar way like he's like what have you read his autobiography I have not we were talking about this. He became supporting actor in the series by when he when the first season was was shooting when they were right choice is this yes good motivation I'm like Oh someone like him who so successful has been in a similar place so but but yeah they decided to keep them on and he became like an integral part of the show integral yeah like halfway through shooting season one like oh we were going to kill you off as like what because it's such a crazy story like how the first season well yeah the original plan was to kill them off after the third episode I is his character but as soon as like the writer they made a pretty quick decision. Hey I'm a low goal in Albuquerque I was just wondering like what are you what are your favorite things to do in Albuquerque Bryan Cranston took the Mike and he was like applause. I think it's into grow I could be wrong I also the guy that said that thought Oh Erin Paul got breaking bad because he he was like around our age I think when he got it yeah and he was living in L. A. He'd been an actor integral integral integral in integral I think integral I don't know what do you think listeners will pass laws for and we wanted to go on a tangent here so he was always doing all we do here in the basement just go on long tangent so he like after the pilot was shot like okay we gotta keep this guy on because he's great and there's a story of like Vince Gilligan told Aaron Paul Other fifteen chapels so embarrassing Sir you have it so wrong oh it's so good yeah I haven't if you WANNA borrow yes on it's called life and I'm GonNa get this wrong I think it's life in parts or life in pieces the show that's the point I'm trying to me that's an that's a perfect yeah no tation either just like your mother Whoo Ooh Yeah so what are your first reactions to seeing the movie it's a it's a nice epilogue was he takes a tour out to Italy trying to like take look find the for a while I think he moved out there is like eighteen or something but he was struggling to pay rent like if he if he didn't get another job he would have had to move back home is the Sistine Chapel you mean there's no there's no fifteen other ones that's really man I know I'm sure there a lot of other words like that for me too well so I could be wrong and to girl integral integral either way he was interested he was an import I thought it was really cool holiday I didn't expect them to have todd played by Jesse Plemmons yeah he's the weird yeah like you said before we watched it too it's a really nice epilogue because throughout it you they give you these feel like that kid was trying to provoke like you know you you're an after coming into my town what do you really know about my town or he was just he was nervous aac yeah away henchmen yeah the word is henchman Who Works with like Jack and all those other like Neo Nazi guys is like little flashbacks to like moments that people that you have seen before but you may not remember right away yeah like Todd Epitome was pronounced Epitaph Appetite Dude I've had stuff like that I used to think was Ah Teen Chapel was the Sixteenth Chapel flicks sixteen cans as like well where all the other fifteen this isn't who kept Jesse cage I think it was like how long was he in that cage like a year probably was it six months yeah I did I've I've read it twice because it's that good get is just good it's like whenever I'm struggling like career wise like Mike is this the does like run back and forth on that police system like fucking wrapped yeah but I'm glad they didn't show too much of that because I don't know the hinted at some of the like a lot of the abuse the experience down there just mental in general mental but also physical I mean it was raised sprayed with oh the scars that he got from all the abuse but we didn't actually see you know that's right but I mean there have been some really violent moments throughout like months six months mentioned which is too long yeah that would be I mean I'm glad I'm honestly glad they didn't like because they dan so if he didn't get breaking bad like he would have been out of Benicia now look at him yeah so this is crazy how that worked out for him throat yeah that was the moment ice still thing we were talking about earlier in one break in the series breaking bad one gus can and and he walks out very confidently you see you see the untouched part of his face of his body and then he's like straightening his tie I wonder but but we saw it in the last few episodes breaking bad now I mean yeah like we didn't see I mean we this is just not there because he was at the nursing home right where I guess the the leader of whatever seeing I I've read a lot about the behind the scenes of the show and stuff and apparently it took nineteen takes to get that shot down for what was his name actor actor yeah yeah so like it blows up that room blows up with Hector and gus but it's like a combination of the first take and the last take off which I think is so cool that they used like when you'd be movie Yeah Yeah Oh man it's not a good movie ooh dams and disagreement ooh saucy okay I mean I i WanNa hear it across was I don't know I think like I said it's been a while but I mean what are you like ideas but it's Kinda like that thing where I feel like at built an audience of like white dudes who feel although he did he direct while it's like a fight club's pretty pretty dumb anyway but excuse me have you seen it I also like love the the author of the original now Oh yeah Yash Pal I don't think I didn't read the novel so that may be where a gruesome things but there are some things some moments and bring him back I can't watch that I know like when they slit that guys throw like Gust Victor Well Okay here's my issue fight club and then we'll tie a bag somehow to see I think it has some decent time already and then you do the whole scene and they're like Oh let's just use the first day actually then part of the last take I mean that's and then they cut to like the outside of the doorway yeah the sirens going off because of fire whatever explosion liked their you know like it just it just didn't get the message across yeah and then the camera comes around the Coun- comes around to the other side and it it's like his entire right side is just hollow in his face yeah because it's like great acting really good cinematography and stuff but I do think like kind of maybe it's this I think it's the fandom that this is face half his face blow yea that was such an iconic moment I know you're just like is he still alive what because he just then you see half of his face doc Hello Hello Dario what's new with you today Oh you know just little of this and a little bit meant to get across this is not good behavior basically yeah has been a while since I've seen it the the the message they were what they were trying to like hundreds of takes for yeah that's what I've heard is that I'd director I assume fight club oh I should know that yeah that was impressive how do you do that but now that was screaming into the no how did I find oh it's almost like the the crime baby noise thing that we did we just kind of like I just you think what do you think the messages from less my side and it's been also this is I saw it too but I I liked the movie I thought it was really well done and Rebecca and we're back this is a daytime radio talk show and I'm here with my guest Dario Kerry odd we were talking about all the fuck ups and while it was fucked up all right folks are bloopers we're back podcast host you know if we if we start our own podcast together we got a call each other Co host irs co host that'll be our thing how this a little bit of that all right let's see here in the news today that Donald Trump tweeted something absolutely insane rounds it ironically I think while we were talking but we're no I think it got recorded but it would be funny if be okay but in all seriousness let's get down to brass tack right so we were we got interrupted there we had just been talking about how we had technical difficulties in the past that happen again because my ass D. card got full up yeah hopefully we'll get one day where it's like the professional podcasters do it the podcast posters the posters rain is can stand there and then he finally collapses what a great moment I a great seeing that was a great shot it was an amazing shot and you know that that but that's a that comes with it oh yeah I mean even if they did do that if I was in fucking breaking bad like I don't care dude tonight do us shaw bad old so and so and doesn't he read tweet and did you like that little missing some stuff yeah well yeah I think I just I jump around new guy thought I think is a great author in general he also has like all these other like coasters coasters brilliant I'm your coaster and I'm your coaster down it makes it more efficient you know thing my problem lies with the fandom rather than the movie itself you know I think the movie itself is actually pretty good I shouldn't I shouldn't have been thank horrible rhetoric that they have and so these kinds of people obviously like this movie because it's somebody who has been stomped on his whole life and can't making bad where he'd just turn your head away yeah I remember those like be like so I think of myself like I can take most will capitalize on Roy we'll copyright it definitely okay so we're talking about fight club yes I was basically saying million takes well that's a stretch here the rest of your life yeah well that's like David venture he does terported by the fans and I mean I'm generalizing obviously not everybody is like oh wow that's just like me stands for involuntarily celibate so people who are so people who think that like they urgence basically decided I can I do tremendous I had heard somebody do a trumpet trumpet noise or like a trumpet or trombone noise before of research on it so I'm maybe getting some stuff wrong there but but that's just my initial thoughts about it never thought of it like that yeah that way hey women and hate any men who can quote unquote get women and so they As unity of people usually on I think it came from like reddit where they feel like they are books Rant is one of my favorites by him yeah but the movie itself in Fight Club I just I mean yeah that's the kind of be talking about insult in cell in cell yeah like explain okay so in cells are this that quick to say I don't like the movie what do you mean when you say you have a problem with the phantom like the fans themselves it's just that the movie I feel like has been missing yes yeah yeah but I think that's that's that's something that kind of also flipped in waltz brain I don't think it's the majority but I think it's a it's a fraction of it you know Gra and I think that's that's the issue that I take with I haven't done I mean ever since the pilot there was a screw loose I think he's always felt I guess it draws similarities to fight club Sir White is not somebody to emulate you know I think the show makes a point to be like he has a bad nude and he's GonNa suffer back he's going to suffer maybe I should be violent yeah yeah by some people do take it away like it's like kind of like you said like in cell culture you know was coming from a very understandable place but sometimes it'd be like you didn't have to say that Oh it was I gotta say what my favorite moments and breaking bad is when she comes estes like doing the whole time and like all the crew like has to set up and like all that stuff and then you have to get all that makeup on so that's saying this but in the flashback scene when he tells Jesse you're so lucky China people that I'm talking about when I say I have a problem with the Vandam you think that's a majority of the Phantom uh-huh basically virgin I don't mean to make fun of you but like no but like it's people who you know basically thank meth cocaine and all this stuff and I'm like no she's in total end the total would be us like if we were friends with you haven't had to wait your whole life to do something special when they're in the diner yeah I'm like how how fucked up are you do you think this is something is consequences but then you hear the talk you hear some fans talk about like Oh Schuyler such a bitch because she isn't going along with his and it's after she found out about all the math cooking and she comes in and she's like like waltz making dinner for the whole family and she comes in and she's like I fuck Ted all yeah Oh yeah I was just like go Schuyler can't get a woman and he finds this place where people accept him you know and so I think that those are the and he was like well what am I going to leave my family with I'm not gonna they don't have much like I need to leave them I need to leave them with a legacy I need to have made some sort of stamp in like Walt Yeah if we were we were Wald's partner was a little bit of a b word and granted it's not it was at least at least they used the last week saying if they just if they had just done I take and not used it either yeah I guess that makes sense too but it's it's a good movie and honestly to get back on breaking bad yes that's a similar thing with breaking bad too because it's like special yeah I it just shows you that moment just shows you like how warped that guys Emma like an outsider's perspective and that's wanted in the end like they did a flashback of him away like he feels like the world has you know has stomped on him you know and he hasn't been realm it's yeah and it's Cathartic like take hear him finally say like finally admit to it he didn't do this for anyone but himself Mr Class Oh yeah and it's like well he saw that hank his brother-in-law who was in the DA he went on a ride along with him and yeah yeah yeah I mean he had a good intentions with his family behind his thought but in the end he was doing it for because he had enabled to make an impact in the movie when they spoiler alert for everyone who hasn't seen the movie just go watch it already yeah it shouldn't have her to be able to Kinda play both sides of comedy and dramatic yeah does both so well he does yeah whereas like that was an okay and then I think he really Kinda let his color shine oh he I think once that happened like there was a screw loose Nevin ports about Heisenberg and pink men like working together I mean how is the biggest meth operation United States it was kind of cool to see that all series is like oh I did this for the family I did for the family and he almost tells skyler that last was I think of another memorable quote and the last episode is when you know his excuse for SC asking him like what what do you do you want are you in it for the money or are you ended for the meth like cooking methods like I'm not enter for either this universe and so he turned to meth cooking yeah which is Kinda came about Naturally Ping Jesse Pink men wanted one of his students in this I may Caesar and she's like don't say you did it for the family and he's like I did it for me and I mean like even though her character that's where it's odd Jesse and the rest is history and the the risk is his you know what I liked about the movie as like all of the I liked all the news eight a mind is yeah because he started out his intentions were good his intentions were he came in you know he was he's he was diagnosed with terminal cancer yeah and is in the meth business or the that's that's what it was neither I'm in the empire Biz yeah exactly and remember memorable one and then are you then kind of just like kept doing yeah here we are here we are you doing the trump noise beautiful he was like I'm in it for the empire I'm trying to be an empire what was what was the quota yeah you asked me if microphone but he was losing on the headphones no any opportunity and we'll get back to the movie but it's all connected the show in the movie are all connected but like yeah he it at first he was doing it because I think he wasn't a spot where he needed to take care of his family he needed to leave something for them but he the was that Jesse was trying to do is basically to now that he escaped everything and that whole life he's trying to escape he fired honey which is understandable but then he had another opportunity when he found out that it's cancer was in remission yeah that's right yeah like Oh you can stop now Alaska now and he gets to just like live his wife out in nature and he got he has a new identity yeah as a new identities so he can and he's still young so he can live like a full life yeah so at the end of the movie and Camino part of the I say this took place in Canada you know what would just get treatment for his cancer and then it'd be fine like you have enough money you paid this off you can get out at that point he was like I think wasn't he too far into the actual yeah I mean they had uh when he got the news and deciding on how that would affect his family financially he was in the same boat in Canada I feel like he wouldn't even have thought of it now it ends in like okay yeah and it's honestly I'm glad they did it like that I'm glad they gave Jesse pink a happy ending he's in math after that I'll good question well maybe I guess I don't know when he when he was deciding it's GonNa he wants to make this money so he just keeps going and falling into this whole it's like when he ends up being the kingpin basically once he once Gus I would like to I now that we're talking about I'm like interested in this Canadian version breaking bad like what does that look like it would end happily coked like because he thought he was going to die was cooking a bunch with Jesse's so they had like forty pounds of meth they were sitting on so he's not gonna quit now treatment and my family can't afford it but in Canada he'd been like oh I have universal healthcare treated problem solved problems would he still want to cook true ads that would be the end of the we had a free healthcare or universal healthcare breaking bad wouldn't be breaking I don't think you would have you know because then the problem is immediately erased all right you can get it treated you can go under mission and then go from there now we have quality entertainment that is true if he was he was like well I'm GonNa die I don't have like a in America I don't have the money to pay for cancer it kills gus I mean that's capitalism for you this this took place in like another lesson in American history in in American government it really is because of the it is it takes a lot of work it takes like I don't know how it is for you but like whenever I'm like memorizing a script I it's like you have to do the work memorizing a script or a play or whatever it may be the easiest part of the process yeah yeah that's something that you like okay once you have it down you're like yes just be a dog or a cat in this case I mean it is so true like I always find when I do yeah and then ice tribute with yeah yeah solid actor yeah he's really good he really felt like because he was in one episode of breaking when you feel good after a performance no well maybe that's simplifying it but it's like if I feel like oh I crushed it I killed it usually I I have a down and now and then the next stage is the hardest part is making those those words on the page sound like they're coming out naturally Mike when wall is at the cabin and where does he go New Hampshire dip but it was nice to see him be able to like show off I think his most famous performances and Jackie Brown Yep Yeah but he was in he was in the new twin peaks he's been in a lot of other stuff absolutely so we should be thankful that we have got breaking back because of it well yeah we got breaking bad because of it recorder here okay but anyway let's get back so when you have to leave tonight oh I mean I don't have time for uh well to go back to the movie the movie kind of has a little bit of a happy ending further breaking bad university at least for the breaking it it's a very and then once you do the work you kind of have to like go of it yeah we've talked about this where I think for a lot of actors get agree that they all tied in with the narrative really well it didn't seem forced I was curious what you thought of the stuff with now that my band it is what I aspire to be like yeah like he he doesn't care that a cameras in front of him he's a cat he's just a cat he's with us yeah the trustee lap but it's nice because I don't have to use the laptop to record anymore we're moving on up in the world probably it was hamming it up a little bit I see you know what I mean and it's like when you do a performance and you just kind of feel like that was that doc every time we saw the flash bags you could see the todd todd knew exactly the situation that Jesse was in but also knew exactly the situation that that put him in then more hall and drive a lot of other TV shows and movies but he he just passed away the day it was released which is really sad throughout every flashbacks in that they go through but he also I think I think I also found him to be did that yeah that's the best place to be in then you're like oh I didn't try that hard yeah what's that it's my coffee maker taught and Jesse like the flashbacks of Jesse's captivity and then getting rid of that body together you know it was it was interesting because exactly not so it's so hard to do and it's like being the cat you know I got just showing you from the short film making and uh-huh Doesn't phase them yeah and that's that's very much psychopaths slash wavier I think the way Jesse like more of US jobs and seeing and he's very natural actor like you don't even feel like he's acting yeah and that's hard to do up to actors is to be like a dog like the dogs onstage or on camera whatever the only thing you can dog is just being the dog a little bit nicer because they give you this idea of like he's just making small talk with him yeah almost cre- beer yeah exactly jeans this guy that Walter and Saul used to go to to get disappear disappear guy to get like as a as as as a character or or being in that spot yeah he had control he has control over Jesse and thank you see that someone who is hard to pull off playing someone who in the face of like neo murder and it just also shows that when I do what I do performance or something and I think it's really good or something usually that's like the worst take really you know what I mean right like something that's it's like it's like the whole thing and Shakespeare like a king doesn't act like a king because their king already yeah exactly like aw pretty fancy they're taking over Wesley I know that's why when we were watching the movie he tried to move my laptop I was like nope that's my laptop it has the school thing you know it sucks for the podcast but whatever has this thing where it just reheats on its own oh conversation with them while he he's basically keeping this keeping Jessop even in captivity yeah like well and they're under getting rid about dead all he's always going to be a cat wasn't like a Stanislavsky thing the miser thing could Stanislav were his like his the best the best advice that can the little epilogue which is what they gave us like what happens Jesse after he escapes yeah which I think is a fair thing like I think I think it was kind of ad they only showed him once they went to him for that yeah yeah to get their identities erasing yeah because we see them we see them in the scene with Saul when he's helping all out and then we see Eddie which they just keeps like that's super like there's a dead body on the floor and has rolled up and he's talking about what kind of soup do you so fun but no he I think todd is a character was a really really nice exploration Dan so like he's like you know he's asking Jesse like you know do you think it's going to do you think it's GonNa rain today like they said it was like fifty percent chance or something and then like like he's talking to men's plays Todd is just amazing yeah it's a yeah that's hard to pull off yeah I do too as an actor like that Mike is the one who influenced Jesse to go to Alaska and yeah that's something that Mike mentioned at the beginning still I liked that despite I was trying to be nice and not on your laptop and you know that's where my laptop sitting was like well now this laptop sitting on the couch so take that now it's right here wanting to move forward yeah and so it was like nice to be in that little you know 'cause it's like the scenes we didn't see that her dead body rolled up in a carpet over four story Lake Balcony Adia did you hear the bone crushing hits the cement how long he's been doing this too yeah you know how long he's in it's it's like his life I mean with his uncle like this is just like what he does careers at the latest like ten maybe okay cool so we still got time yeah so there were a lot of cameos in this blackout essay there's Knack Mena need this and then he'd just puts it around on goes like Oh like oh I forgot my belt let me put my belt before we leave exactly then they toss but I think that show is like it's so good on its own like it's so different and breaking bad like breaking bad as the movie is kind of the same as disappear so we get a glimpse at what his post breaking bad future is that's true and so I was curious if they would tie inch like I was okay with it like I was like oh I I would like to imagine Jesse got away but but it is kind of Nice to have a definitive answer like chip based like it's a slow is a very slow burn rea- but it's just a terrific show and I was wondering like before breaking bad universe here have you seen any better call Saul no I am guilty of not seeing well I mean that's what this movie you obviously didn't you know for a new identity he's now in Alaska and he's just has a seemingly clean slate yeah he just starts a new life I mean who knows bad it's all about moving the plot forward but better call Saul is a little more like character based it's a little more relations yeah man it was it was good it was a good I liked it I liked the movie really a lot I also think Aaron Paul is a great actors yeah he's okay that's exactly where he went and what happened to yeah but I thought it was also interesting how they had you kind of realize was because you didn't that's the thing about the movie is like we didn't necessarily need this movie but I thought it was a nice little into the movie somehow but they didn't and I'm really glad that didn't because I think now I just made it to confusing he was mentioned in passing like for a brief second at the beginning yeah yeah they're just kind of like talking because he they begin like the first line that Jesse says the first line spoken in the whole movie is a he's going to be mad right yeah and it's like right in between when they're like trying to get out of the business all its hey I gotta pay a little bit of tribute to that actor he just he passed away the day the mood Robert Forster he was in I've been during breaking bad which I think that's really cool it is yeah but I was curious to since we're talking about the whole late about like like do you want soup sure didn't want any soup or are they just like regular again yeah exactly regular too yeah because it seems so distant everything else I mean because it it feels so distant you can get away and then it has the beautiful sky real-time fact check but yeah my grandpa he went to Alaska and he's a he's a geologist so he's really interested in you know we'll addition to yeah to the breaking badge some people did really want like a not a one see me doing you see you see that is killed someone you see him take I thought it was so fucked up when the belt was around like going into the movie I was wondering does it have any tie in with better call Saul like are we gonna see because I'm better call they have these flash forwards yeah we'll get we'll get arrested really quick so do you do you WanNa be wall in this situation you'll I would never wanna be walt fuck that life did Todd doesn't act like a murderer because he already is a murder yeah that's that's my ama- with tasks what he is he's like I don't have to play to it and you believe me because of the actions in my bracket or something but I don't think that would happen in Alaska maybe you don't know also it's interesting I forget Alaska's part of the states well he's really good and yeah it was a nice you finally get to paint him if he paid disappear or disappearing guy the types of rocks that are there and minerals and stuff like that and so he brought back some gold that he found up there which I think is still have in my lawyer and your lawyer have have made your own bed here your criminal activities which I think is true like all the stars are out doesn't the Aurora borealis happen out there so it happens in a while you can see 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Katya & Craig's Movie Club: Suspiria!

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Katya & Craig's Movie Club: Suspiria!

"Hey, everyone. It's Craig. We'd like to share with you an episode of our movie club which is only available through patriotic for our hot dog club, much like the hot dog club episode thunder buns. We wanted to share this with you so you can get a sense of what goes on in hot dog club, and you can join hotdog club now by going to patriots dot com. Slash Caccia and Craig to join hotdog club. There's the five dollar tear which gets you the bonus episodes such as the thunder buns episode you might be familiar with for the seven dollars tear you get the bonus episodes plus the listener questions associates, and those included listener questions episodes with Willem with Trixie. Mattel, with a whole host of notables including an upcoming bible girl, listener bus jeans and the ten dollars to your gets you all that plus Caccia in Craig's movie club. So sit back, get some popcorn and some potable water. It's time to enjoy our movie club episode about the Dario Gento classic suspi RIA. Welcome to Caccia and Craig's movie club episode to sue spuria says very moving. Thanks for joining us on episode, two, big love. We're glad you enjoyed it, and we'll see you next time. Thank you so much. This has been movie cloud. Thank you for tuning in and don't forget to tip your diaper on the way out. So this is your first time seeing, yes, period I have to tell you Craig. Yeah, I hated every fuck in minute of this Yuki spooky ding, dang, Dookie. Hallam mother fucking Balukia piece of shit motherfucking art house witchcraft and wizardry gooney goblin piece of Thakin shit as movie bits, just kidding. This was great. Yeah. No. I mean, I remember at the time you were grunting and groaning and almost throwing things resenting being stuck. You're watching it and listeners, you know, the thing is about movie club. Is that in this is our second movie club in all ready. It has become a harrowing. God awful trudge and it is just it's just horrifying. No, this was great. I loved, I loved this movie. Isn't it? Great. I think it was. I think it is perfect on the Roger and Herbert in Hammerstein movie scale. Yeah, I give it a solid ten out of eight tenth. Thumbs up. Thumbs up out of eight. No, that's good. I, I agree with you. I'd have to go along with you on that. I've seen the movie a few times many times. I think this is the fourth or fifth time, but I've seen it. Okay. And the best time that I saw was I got to see it on the big screen at the new. Beverly, they did a Dario or Gento marathon. That started at seven at night ended at seven in the morning, and you're crazy. I love it, man. I love your insane. I love their marathons. I could sit. I sit there for twelve hours. It's great. I have a whole system where fuck, I don't understand. Well, that isn't saying to me because you don't like movies that are longer than eighty five minutes. I don't like anything that's longer than twelve minutes. That's right. So to watch this film, my attention span. Reaches is, starts at thirty seconds and ends at about eight minutes. So you basically like long-form commercials, and I only watch infomercials with my I, my eyelids taped to my forehead. Well, you know, that's a reminiscent something from another Argenta film called opera where a woman has needles put under her bottom eyelid. So if she closes her top islet, it'll shred them. That's actually that's what a lot of the famous drag race girls do in order to stay interested in doing their makeup, Wendy do that. You do that before applying foundation on some girls start with their, I make up in, but other others find it difficult to focus on putting on their lashes, their upper lashes. So they just you install the needles underneath so that you don't have any distractions so that you keep your eyes focused and into the mirror. And then in you maintain that steady focus and that reinvigorates your passion for drag it sort of resets. Yes, and it also hurts. Yeah, but there's no. Without duty? No. And there's no, there's no beauty without beauty either. You know? That's true. Isn't it funny how it works? It is funny. I think you've coined a new phrase. I think I have put it on a t shirt. Let's sell drag Kern. We might. So I let me tell you my first impression Lee as this movie us, I noticed a lot of red. Did you. I don't know. I know I don't like to I I know this discussion can get so hoity toity and just so abstract abstract and philosophical, I couldn't help, but notice and you, as you know, I have a very strong power perception. Oh, absolutely. So the I've noticed a lot of wind. I noticed a lot of rain. That's interesting. Engine. Yeah, there's there is a little bit of that and they're right. You're right. Every sought is the perfectly manicured in stylized and constructed piece of artwork. Yes, it is every little detail everything. It's GRA Genta and some people have commented about the lack of plot, but I think there's plenty of plot in it of there's a whole plot, very few films get you into a certain state of mind, like there's a feel to this film, there's a complete atmosphere. Yeah, it's it's a full tilt experience. Agree, and it's a, it's fun and flirty. To the max. I think the flirty is part might be well, you think, okay, flirty is part for me with the maggots. Okay. The. I have this film showcases many of my fantasies. Okay. Many of my fantasies. There's there's really nothing about this film that I don't like to be honest, I same here. Yeah, I can't find a scene or a frame or a character that they didn't completely just like blow my water over. That's soon again, we have the cleaning Bill. Yes, we do. But I think one of my favorite thing is when the. Apologizing to. It's about the MAC, it's we had a delivery for a trusted source. Delivers fresh food. I don't know, but we just we just don't know what happened. We, you know, maybe it's. I just love idea of to certain snafus if people ever been to a boarding school where people ever gone to camp or people have been broiled in a witchcraft Ryan, especially which will cover an actively yellow coven a little Covent, send it high dance academy experience. I mean, you can't begrudge them for a little spoiled meat, and then a lot of maggots. And I mean, she's so caring in her apology. Let's have a little listen to that. I'm sorry, truly more. Please, excuse me, but it was nothing to do with you them? No, of course not goes. It's not bad blanks for all of those cases of food by mail, reliable firm. We thought to be honest, obviously, it arrives spoiled and a few days time. You see what happened. Fool. One got in my mouth will I suppose with fortunate those things only reached the floor below the addicts. All right, Elliot's we check them out just the floor, whether students rooms. Problem fumigating in the morning. In the meantime, for tonight, I've thought of the makeshift arrangement go and see how they getting along. Well, you did the creepy. The boys have Condie over to help and they and the servants tuning the practice hall into a domitory. If some of you choose defined hotel room now have no objections, but it's already late. And in any case, the inconvenience will only be for one night. We'll all sleep together. Well, that's the the lesson here, of course, is that nothing brings the dance academy together? Yeah, like a trunk full of spoilt meat, spoiled me. And then just a whole school full of maggots, massive, settle the side. Darling mortified. I've just come inside myself. We ordered these by mail through respectable food. Yeah, you know, it's like your your order, you're, you're, you're, you're lamb shanks through post mates and you should have gone with blue apron. That's right. Yeah. Through them up in the adage through mental refrigerators for God because you have a lot on your mind. You get pirouettes and PK turns to attend to. Also you got some suspicious students who might uncover that you're setting up. These girls are nosy, very, you know, don't look up. If you don't wanna. You don't wanna mouth full of maggots. Keep your nose in your own paper. Yeah, keep your eyes on the prize ladies. It's your fault. You did. You don't did it. You know, dotting you open your mouth. I also love the assistant to MRs tomato block who was of course, girls it's not Madam blocks, don't don't shoot them here. It's post mates. Kid had a great comment about Madam, blank blank. Looks like she's living her full. Lisa vendor pump fantasy and I'm one hundred percent here for it. In the matriarch, the matriarch. She also said also Batson my biggest fear. So after that bat scene, I need to know which if you has better doctor handwriting because I need an early refill on my colonic thing. Oh my God, you know, dot actually happened to me the bat the bat. Yeah, there is a bat. There was the bat in the basement of my parents house real and I was sleeping there and I'm pretty sure a bit me on the ear. I could be a magic that now this is the time of the ghost. Oh, no. This is way before way before before way. Before way before this was like childhood. Did you live in a dance academy? I did. That's a strain colors. Read so many red lights, and then some green ones too. And when I entered a room, the lights would come on without returning them on and then change. They would change from red to clean. That's very interesting. And then there were a lot of up dues. Yeah, a lot of points shoes and then a man with no with giant wooden teeth that was also, oh my gosh, that Pablo's hav lows. Oh my God. Marry him. Oh yeah. You really you were you were throbbing for him? Oh God, throbbing, gristle at every frame for him. This is fabulous. Are general handyman? He's really odd, isn't he? Kevin to send you anyway. He speaks only your domain. Gorgeous man. He's been very handsome ever since. Got the spoils the. She later says he pulled out one by one his his, this is. So meet our handyman. He's incredibly ugly. He doesn't speak a word of English, but he's doing so well since he got all his TD yanked out one by one and how to fall spoons put in. He's so ugly, but isn't he? Handsome smile, so ugly. We used real peace shade shoot. She's so she's saying it to make him feel good, but he's not supposed to understand any of anything. Not in Romanian. Yeah, this is how introduced my boyfriend's. When I walk into a party the attention to the big ugly, fuck over here. He's a piece of shit or does it has a low I q, but I fucked them anyways. He was coveted so that lighter loved that lighter. He loved that letter. We're off to a flame longest Sarah, and of course everyone's favorite non lead actress in this is Olga. Olga. Slid. I once read that names, which begin with the letter. Are the names of snakes. Just a lovely little girl friend come broderie in the locker girl talk. Yeah, little young ladies. So you know, there's some interesting facts about the film and originally are Gento had conceived of this as a film, starring ten year olds. Shut the fuck up. Really Jesus Christ. He planned it to be all ten year old. So once both, I think producer said like, well, it wasn't even the matter of the inappropriateness of the content for ten roles. It was just that it would be so difficult to get them all Rangel. Yeah, of course. So he kept all the dialogue, the same, which made it a little surreal. All their interactions are very bizarre. So mostly the dialogue is as it was intended for the ten year olds, but some other cool stylistic things. The door knobs on all the doors are I level. So it essentially make Suzy look like a little child in the hallways, like when she staggering through the hall when she meets MRs Tanner, I, I want to get back to MRs Tanner from because she is a hatchet and a half. Good morning may feel. We expected you yesterday evening. You wrote us than I did arrive last night about ten o'clock, but on the door was locked and somebody on the calm us and they didn't know I wasn't gonna. Let me who said that to you. I don't know. She didn't say what her name was. I'm so sorry. Well, at any rate now you're here among us. So way, complied academy. I'm Astana one of these factors. Nice comedian come along. I'd like to shoot Madame Blanc. Our vice directors. I love all that love. Oh darling. To have you here. And the Mme blank actually says something interesting about on new movement named Ben in a New York and happens to be Suzy's on and Mme blank reveals that she knows that Carol banyan was a fabulous benefactor to own the arts. Basically a very wealthy woman, which maybe is one of the reasons why Suzy's there because we find out later that the witches of their whole scheme is to crew it. Tremendous of personal wealth yet. Yeah, and STA bungee greedy, gold-digging hangs, right. Let's get into some of the listener comments. Okay. Well, pulling those up. Did you have any favorite scene while the first the murder scene is incredible. It is, oh my God, it's so good. I loved all the murder scenes emergencies were, yeah, they're incredible. They are the the fuck in that that just that the hand coming out the frame. Slowly tabs beating heart. Stabbing the beating the beating heart, her face, pressed up against the will for good, solid member minutes. Shutters. That was fabulous. I love that. I love that. I also love the bar or the woman that she's gonna say, oh, the bar boy. Oh my God, the far y rages, that razor wire, it wasn't praise. Yeah. Yeah, apparently during the production of it are gentle just told her, okay, just jumped into that thing. He didn't tell her really fuck, and it was deep sh. It was not sharpened wire, but it was still wires. So she looked like she the much mosquito bites afterwards when a dick? Yeah, he's a well. Another dickers- thing about our Gento, the woman to the left of Susia. She's walking into the airport. The woman on the right is the one that a listener commented that look like you full regalia. Yeah, I policy is if I'm saying some of your comments without mentioning your name, we'll try to get to all those, but there's been so many comments. We appreciate your enthusiasm. So the woman on the other side of Susie is Dario Nicolini who was married to our Gento and actually conceived of the story from superior based on stories at her. Grandmother told her about being an arts academy that the grandmother felt had black magic happening. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, we'll so they combine that with some fairy tale elements. A lot of listeners commented on the fairytale nature, and I was very intentional the film that he are gentle modeled this on visually with Snow White and seven were okay. And he wanted that kind of over extreme color. And therefore this was the last film ever done in the old three strip process technicolor which is a way that basically it would be shot on three strips of film that were combined later. One was red, Wilma, Syon Indian one yellow. Okay. But back to the dish nece. So she conceived of the story and then our gentle co wrote with her and then he wasn't going to give her a screenwriting credit. Okay. Good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, it's just a lady. It's just a lady. I mean, what? You know they they get everything already exactly. They get credit for everything and why bother? Because you're the genius autour. Right? Yeah. Well, you know, Craig. The thing about is that a man knows best that history is history has taught us anything that you know a woman's play. Ace is to inspire to seduce. Yeah, and to comfort and then just to go away withdraw. Yeah, withdraw a make withdrawal, right, and a tacit approval, indeed. Yeah. And of course, it's great for your marrying endorsement script, your marriage, too. When you do that, she did actually get screen credit, but she said she did not know until three days before the premiere, whether or not she was going to. Now this is fucking Christ, Mary. This might have been a determining factor in the ultimate dissolution of their marriage. I think I actually don't think that's true. Craig. His parted amicably because women like it when they're treated lesser position, you know, one day Craig may be understand. Maybe I'm trying need to figure it out with late. Now. I gotta I gotta get it a little more of that. Are Gento style pin pans? Yeah. Yeah. You get into the swift hot hand of the pin, always a kiss of love. Damn. Well, you know, it did. He's an asshole. He was Nestle. Then for inferno, which is the follow up to this film, which is the second part of the trilogy securities, the first of the three mothers trilogy, and then the second one called him. Furnao came out in nineteen eighty, but it was barely released because FOX studios, Twentieth Century Fox was hot on our gentle after the massive worldwide success of suspicion is in big, big hit, but then the head of the studio change. So a common thing that happens at studios, whatever the previous regime, Greenland. If it's coming out under the new watch, they bury it to try to see that guy to know what he was doing. So the movie barely came out. It's visually stunning as well a different type of score on by the way, the scores he's incredible. The score is using for fans of the soothing for. Sound you're looking for? Soothing sounds. This is not the pitcher for you know, there might be other things that you'd want to listen to. Let's get a little gentle for a second. And one and two. Does Hotta faster Lasta Basta I'm feeling weak. I feel like we, I care your hair to show your dancing skills, get out there and wiggle, you fucking can't hurric- j. road just finished watching and holy shit. The music alone was so chilling. I almost didn't recognize cure because his voice was dubbed and part of his whole charm and shit. Distinctive accent was a believer in the material world as conscious to boot. I'm convinced that the current spread of belief in magic and the cold is part of mental illness. Bad luck isn't broad. My broken news, but by broken minds, I wonder what you thought this portrayal of witches is evil and killing for sport, and then why do they kill the pianist? Damn, this is a common question that was asked actually a lot of people ask, why do they kill Daniel? Here's why I his dog bit. The horrifically scary little child who was probably fucking around with them. Yeah, the child of the corn. That's right. The child of the corn in that natty little outfit, his dress gray dress. And if you do anything to defy the witches, you're fucked. Yeah. You're fact, you gotta go Mary, you're gonna go, you're done Honey. Do you know what is it. Guesting Dr speak. Not that he took it be south of our time. Look. Did you hear that? That means that would try to mutilate exci- blanket Russia between first eight center to speak Putin them? Well, let's go to the states. Even if you can't see the blood, at least you can hear that child cry. Doc to peaceful faithful handyman. He's never heard anyone the by on something. Poor little and the pooling. If I ever seen within a mile of the school again, I haven't talked to that stop. Love such talk. You understand. Out. Moving, you. Guy and God. Let's try to understand that that the block. Nope, that some people ask why the dog turn on him? Well, it's magic, it's witchcraft. He's being chased by the demons in the air, and they make the dog go against him. Well, that's that is one interpretation another plea. Actually, I believe the real reason was that he had contracted scabies, oh, and then consequentially rabies was from that bad meat. It was from the bad meat. He had been been canoed alling in the maggot, meet babies in rabies, and then tried to a lot of times the dog will turn against its master after having been fed spoiled food. Oh, because you get angry and then you go get fresh meat at the neck and get hang -gree. So you go for the the Yogi and they didn't have liquor bars back then. Well, they did, but not at dance academy, not. Yeah. The kid had also mentioned the soundscape and mentioned that kid had just seen Todd Rundgren and utopia a couple of weeks ago as I did and kept thinking about how some of their stuff with fit perfectly in this universe. I agree. Goblin stuff is very parallel to many utopia attracts, and again kit asked about the take on the depiction of witchcraft and this movie. So what do you think of that? I well, I love all. I mean, I'm down for any depiction of witchcraft. I love an evil, witch. I love a good witch. I love gray, which I love a great witch, and I, I love all of them. I mean, I think they're all they're all they all are equally valid under the eyes of the devil. Sometimes I don't see those kind of which is represented fairly on which Instagram? Yeah. So that's why I'm posting this picture to inspire all evil to the core rotten which is a threat to show their true colors on Instagram. We're being brave about this. Yeah, the courage. It takes to show that I'm evil is legendary, and it took me a small team, which I will think one by one when this program one, Stephanie be smarter. It see, Sarah, Sarah, the space. Space Suzy, Sarah, Stephanie, all these. All these snakes saved me for myself. Serra Martin wanted the know what was our theories as to what was going on the first time we saw the movie. This was your first time. Yeah. So tell me what your theory was as it went along. What was going on? I actually liked to play stupid. When I watch movies, I don't try to. I actually, yeah, trying to like. No, no, no. I don't. Like I love being surprised, snow too. I just try to notice everything that's happening in the frame and I'm not trying to solve it as I go. I that's not like I don't like to do that. I don't either. I let my mind will say, oh, I bet it's that guy or yes, yes, sure. You'll just happen though. I don't like to try to do that. No, no, no, no, I want to be in the film. Yes, particularly something that's so visually rich and sonically rich as this. Yeah, I'm not like a Nancy drew when I'm watching a when I'm watching a movie. I don't like to. I, and then of course, you've now. It was like whatever. I know it's that guy. It's not the thought that point I watched the movie. No, it's not the point the point. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's funny because something with like with body double, for instance, there's so much coming at you visually and sonically and everything that those are devices to keep you off the sense share. Although a couple of people had commented back that no there was, they knew that it was Gregg Henry the whole time because if the way his face was shaped and stuff, but I still think it's a very small percentage of people. Yeah, you got divine that you have to be like magnum PI for that. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Because even though he shady you at the beginning, you don't know what the hell's you're getting into. So you know, there's movies where like you, there's a crazy, supposedly shocking twist ending, and then you go back and you're like, well, no, that doesn't it the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fun to go along with the feeling of the film. That's the whole point and watch movies, Craig nation, valve genitive, wonderful fantasy world of makeup. That's right. I just love when I love it. When people are being like dancers are being worked to death. Oh, it's so great. Fabulous. Sarah. I feel. Restaurants, second week. Knees. This is the first time we've worked together. I want to see what you can do. How far along you now come along and join the others? Let's go Daniel. Altogether. This is Sharon needles trying to keep up. Close by. That was my personal trainer, Jason Wimbley every morning, except when when I collapsed on the floor, he just starts kicking me in the stomach. Well, that's a good tactic back into the swing. It also focuses your pain somewhere else. Exactly. You don't notice muscle confusion. Exactly. You know, we skipped over something interesting that the reason this all happens that she gets all sick and weak. Okay. She's being fed poison. Well, not not yet. She's flashed in the hallway by the by the crazy cook lady. Yes, the rush. Yeah. The crazy fat, Russian, which lady and here's why lashed and this is. So a lot of people wrote an, why are they being so mean to Susie with this? Gets back to also the other questions about why Daniel is killed? You do not defy the witches because also they're using the dance academy. Has its any kademi has it's paranoia. You just want to please them. Everyone's even the, the guy who comes the doors. I have to get back very mad. You have everything the way they want it or something bad's going to happen too. Suzy morning. I've got good news for we had all rain rooms ready. Isn't that marvelous moving today? If you like to stay at old is if it's okay, just matter to me my. But in your letter of enrollment, you said you'd be voting at the school through is free now. Now. Well, it didn't. It was so important as you wish if that's what you want. So be it. And this is ten. Idols up behind shoe, Sarah. Daniela played the song. Idea system. When you make up your mind. Nothing we've changed for you might components. So darling, we noticed your fucking stubborn bitch. You only wants to do what she wants to. That's great for you, however, prepared to be broken. Exactly. Just take a walk down the hall and bizarre. Roughing cook. She's got flash Metron. House out in the first day of class, you mother fucker. She's going to give you a mild aneurysm or just by just my penetrating or beady little Russian-ize knife for. She's like, she's got like some kind of knife or whatever. I don't know whether it's like a piece of shard of glass. An albertsons right next door staring that really charming little stair. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's hot. We'll Albert ever grow larger wonder. I think he's sixty years old who sit. Yeah, you're right. Also, he won't grow any larger because at the end of the film, everyone eats it. I'd like to address something that few people mentioned, didn't she kill? They were wondering, didn't Suzy kill all the other students at the same time, not just the coven. It just the coven because when she walks out of a room after she dumps over food which was great, the toilet food. Oh, I love that was so good. Great. Sound design being the plopping was fantastic, fabulous. He asks bizarre, Russian, cook, number one, where is everyone? And she said, oh, well, everyone went to the opening the Bolshoi. Tickets. Everybody except you. They're all out of town strong-willed piece. I meant to suffer here loan drug, your fucking. Have some more have some more wine darling. I not agreeing with you. It builds the blood snake. Oh, and you know, we skipped over the scene. That's so great. We get when we fall in love with Olga because, oh my God, she's so fucking good. I wish there was a spinoff of just her. Yeah, and some people had asked, what do we think that her relationship with the coven she's on their good side like she gives an informant for them, maybe? Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. She's not being not now by. Yeah, she's not yet. No, she's no one to trust at all trustworthy woman. I know. You got one? Yes, yes, I will. Didn't you see how he was blushing? He's cute except he doesn't have any young and he never has enough money for room and board at school. That's why that bitch Tanner's got him under thumb. She gives him a thousand one errands to do. Sure, I got it. Okay. Call me back tomorrow evening. Give me a chance to think it. Oh, her his. Okay. Okay. And this reminds me of a few things that people said about the over dubbing. Someone had a good response for that. Basically, this is how they made movies, Italian films back then they didn't really record it sound on the set to have a reference track. Yeah, but they were going to replace it no matter what, especially because those films we're going to be distributed all over the world. So the actors for from all parts of the world. So you'd Akhir German, I believe. And then Jessica Harper's American Joan Bennett who played modem block American. So the Americans spoke English would just speak English. Every actor would speak their native tongue. So the scene, for instance, where the witch expert is talking to Suzy, he's speaking some other language. Yeah. So they knew the other person was going to say, or they might have someone saying in English while they're waiting to say their lines, Jessica Harper in recent interview about it, they asked her about it and she said, we'll you're basically just waiting for the other person to stop talking l. Mike, and then you talk, which is funny because that's the advice that they give you not to do in in. Acting. Yeah. It's a little bit of Italian. So when I was talking to define a casino, give her spoke in town, we actually understood anger. But for example, the seeing. Nakir with the older gentleman's name or I don't remember you remember what you did this afternoon on the Gauley one minute ago in let alone then. But he was speaking in German, and I was leaning. Yes, guess professor again. Only ideal one word what he was saying in a situation of week from. A week from to stop talking? Yes. The wise thing to dissuade shelter up and then resume your whatever it was dying. Carolina CC wrote. Hello ethic can answer one question and this is referring to the many comments about the over dubbing. The movie was filmed with actress who spoke English Italian, German. It's actors couldn't speak English at all. So they dubbed all the dialogue and English actors had a dove themselves. Same thing happened with the Italian actors in the Italian version of the movie, and they rarely recorded the sound during the shooting. Also Dario Ogetto has lamented that he couldn't get Jessica Harper do the Italian part because he loved her voice so much. Oh, that's a bummer. Jessica Harper was cast off of her performance in Brian depalma's fan of the paradise sentiment. The paradise fan of the paradise which is terrific film, which will probably do a movie club at some point. Finchem opera was by Chevy Chase, right? That's where Chevy Chase and written by Dan ackroyd. Martin short. Yeah, pretty Beverley d. ngelo. That's right. That's weird. Really strong producer really kinda misunderstood her artistic costumes by Danny devito in. Amazing. You wouldn't think the man. So funny could never do such detailed, beautiful costume rate, but he really he could have his own line. Yeah, we always had a flair for the middle ages. Laura McGrady. Gabriel, Matt, Megan, Ivan, as all wondered about Olga, never returning. She does actually returns. That's not her last seen. So after Susie gets her clothes and all that stuff delivered back, she's then seen in the locker room when one girl is just like nervously sizzling her hair. She just chopping at her hair with a pair of scissors. Oh my God realize because there's so much going on movie and this is right after Daniel's throat is ripped out by the dog. So then they're cut to the locker room and you see Jessica Harper, but you don't see your face directly. You only see it in the mirror which is a tactic, used a number of times film, and then Daniel torn to pieces. Incredible. Oh yeah, but you can never put too much trusting wolf Hans crazy. We are two of them wanted done. Ipad gets by management. And now Danielle took by his dog. Maybe there's a Hex on the place. Exorcist purge Olga is very dismissive and not that warm. No, she's a fucking bitch. He's a great. She's so good and I loved her. Family has a place to start or stop. Of course, of course. Dotting dotting, yeah, we summer in the Hamptons. We winter in Bermuda who spring in the Alps and we full into Tokyo. That's right. Did phone Tokyo. If you haven't experienced that, you just you've swine quick front cherry blossoms. Excellent. Actresses. Some of the California wine. And Susan has a bit of a crush little fellow as a crush on her? Yes, they do high high. Oh, you never bring these over here. I could pick them up myself tomorrow. I thought you might be needing them. Yes, but it really wasn't necessary. Anyway, thanks a lot. No, it's nothing. Joe. Listener commented that that was let me look up and see who it was. That was both bridges. That's ripple bridge is very early role and will because I know that they had to. He had a split. He had a halfway through the production. You had to go back to rehab. So we had Jeff bridges do the remainder. That's interesting. That's why he's doesn't look quite the same. The second half of the film making said first thing, I thought it was a really weird crossover to see Miguel, Bose as if I'm saying that correctly in the film, that's who plays the gentlemen. She's interested in. He's like a huge music icon Latin America, and I didn't expect. Isn't that cool. That's really cool. And then she wrote, I was laughing my ass off all the time. I was expecting to get grossed out, but I guess I've seen more weird shit in my life, and this was really light for me. The worm scene was really fun to watch Megan. There maggots there and agate style. Not simply simple common wombs these elevated elegant maggots knighted studying and the death of Daniel. Oh man. The dog looks so faked biting his neck. So great. It's like a little sock puppet. Yeah, it's like not just a little sock on his neck. That was so cute. It's clever in an old school way to have that sock puppet. And then you cut to the dog eating some sure Kurier I loved that it was so great long, protracted Seaney really went in for that. John bone really. And you know what, even though the little dog had looked fake, it's still grosses you the fuck out gross. And then when Daniel finally bar up some blood at the end has great, oh, in the color of the blood of so. So yes, this legendary. So I called. Like a, it's like red, bright, red Tempera paint. So so pretty. I'm pretty sure that must've been delivered. A lot of people commented not a lot, but some people said, oh, that blood look so fake shit, Mary. Fucking fake blood. It's also there's so much red in the movie that whatever it's a fantastic film. It's actually I thought it was supposed to be photo. I thought it was supposed to be investigative journalism, Craig's. This was an investigative journalistic piece. Was this documentary. I thought it was Ken burns dance academy series on the BBC. I thought it was a story about the blues and the American history of the blues. I thought it was a story about the dust bowl. I thought it was dust bowl, blues saga where it was sort of the crossover of where the dust bowl, suffering crossover into the blues creation. Wait a minute. This wasn't this was to be a prequel to battlefield earth. Exactly. That's what I'm saying that could stop it. What I'm saying. And now a very special message from Dario Genta superfan and friend of ours. Rod, Tom is of bright light, bright light. So I think those a'spirit vary longtime ago a couple of friends. And I had this like horror film club that we started to watch the horror films from decades pasta. We hadn't seen maybe just haven't seen in a while and we walked of Genta ones. My favorite is actually phenomena. I'm completely obsessed about fell Magen for Kong's before his incredible with suspicion. The first thing that I fell in love with was the aesthetic, the pastel colors, kind of neon nightmare world that he creates. And weirdly I've watched it recently because I moved into new apartment building in Manhattan, which has the same kind of scheme and might actually be the reason that I took that apartment. I think that the movie is opposite wild. I really am completely obsessed with. World of it created the aesthetic tone music. Everything about it is really iconic. And I think even people that don't revolt are movies, no superior as they've at least seen cope on YouTube. I love to so many performances as well characters batch it crazy the headmistress, the piano player. Everything is wild, and I've got probably two favorite scenes one as at the end, we're one of the students is trying to escape through that room for lie, which is like after the gross and so intense. I know me really hate that kind of thing, but it's just such a wild insane climax to this crazy trip. The foam is taking on and the other one where the headmistress just lose your fucking mind beyond player and like slams the piano throws Wilkin stick away. It's just such a great seen such a great performance and really kind of keeps the suspense of who's on whose side throughout the whole fell. I love it so much. I'm super intrigued to see what they're going to do with his film in the remake because it's so it's a specific and it soul classic how everything was treated. And I have no idea what they're gonna do. Squawk school. The giggling, their walk squawk squawk the matter Haris going to file. Oh God. I just if you just want to. I've always glamorized fantasize the idea of going to an academy like this and. The power that I could just kind of live vicariously through these people because I really don't. Disabused of that notion of going to the academy? Yes, no longer do I fantasize about going to a a a witchcraft lated German dance academy, although that was always my dream since the age of three. That's true. So this McNeil will. It's very nice and sad though. This squawk squawk Matahari is going to file reports. Although now I would love to be Pablo's. Dear you. So handsome new t. Oh my God, waiting on sequiturs that. Okay, of course it is. So I was in a a a meeting today and this fuck in wacko Jacko guy comes in and he's amazing. He is co Razi and he comes in. He's like Harlow Dali and sits down, and I immediately just cracking up because nobody he comes into this like pomp and circumstance. Oh, sure. And and. And nobody is batting an eye because I think maybe, okay. He's the town crazy. Okay. It's an unjust mental kind of atlas. Listen, everybody's crazy whatever Boba but everybody's just kind of chill, right? They're just doing the do coup that cool the real hot, very cool coming in hot. But when they get in super cool. And I just cracking up because I love a character. You know, of course. Oh, do I love a character squad. Cracking up like he's like that. Like you got recovery, squeezes my shoulder, and then he's like, look, that co gates small, oh, oh my God. Full show tune bull show that he would cackle in screech and just go. Not like that. But Greg, I have a confession to make ES please. The distancing thing reading a secondary character projecting again. He was so so funny, of course been the meeting started. He was a very in chilled out. Okay. In very respectful of decor decor and a lot of the things anyways. So that was great. But I have no idea. Why said that story? Oh. It into your mind. I would hopefully be I would love to be the dance teacher at this point MRs. Tanner's Tanner. Oh yeah. Oh MRs ten two three, four. And immediately I thought of have you seen drop dead gorgeous? Yes. Yeah, Don. Do close Tondo, close play. I just love the idea of a like a fat chain smoking just been. Share like fat roles porn over it, like you lazy heifers Nita. It's a very simple Steph. It's very simple. Step dining is the first time we've worked together. I want to see what you're capable of love her love her. But Pablo says my, that's my dream. Anything you say, English fake teeth lined, he's got a companion, so he, no you. He has got some kind of. Yeah, yeah, I love him. And also he's covetous of a lighter, very, very relatable to me and not afraid to follow direction. Also not afraid to get bitten the neck by a dog while he is. But no, he he, he doesn't. He doesn't do that. That's the other guy we would mixing Daniel. The piano player impove blows oh my God, I am. Yeah, Craig. Where am I. Who are you? You would like a combination man of. On piano for your recitals. I'm sorry, I have to make another. I have to make an additional confession. I just wanna fuck the dog. Very handsome. Dog is a handsome incapable loyal, loyal athletic able to be swayed by the forces of darkness. All qualities warns against the forces of evil, but then ultimately succumbs. That's not afraid to bite a fucking evil kid. That's also not afraid to turn on you when the win the moment is right, right, exactly. Love that. I, I think now my in terms of the kind of looking for the top top of my list is killed in in in the German square by a dog per close tie. We'd being able to be swayed by dark malevolent force. Yes. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. Little dog. Sure, sure. You love. Good dog. I do. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on. I don't know. I don't think we dwell. Circle around at a couple more times just in Kozak asked any chance. We could convince Coty to recreate Sarah's unfortunate wire tangled debacle with a few slinky's on his patio. Oh my God. You took the words right out of my. Yeah, I'd love that. Yeah. Well, we could arrange that by the way just for clarification sake. It's actually my patio. There you go. I do it Meyer your relentless commitment to the pursuit of the truth. Thank you very much and the tooth, the tooth we wait. I would love how it would be. It would be funny this walk you through this step by step. I see the I crawl through the window sure through the window, but see my version of the scene versus. Oh, God, thirty touch. You. Remember this scene shoe over here so you don't grab the filthy shoe. Thank you, a forty five minute long. I would stack on various items. Sure to reach the window boxes, but various item boxes suitcases maybe like an earn a makeup kit makeup kit. Oh, bag I brushed per. Yeah. And then and then they would all collapse have to have to find another chair. Then the chair with break, then it would take about thirty five minutes to get to the window. But then once I was in the window with additional twenty minutes to kind of work up the nerve to to jump, then I would finally jump in Lynn on pile of slinky's, but here's a plot, twist. There's a, there's a long staircase fall down like tied up with this Linke's I would fall down like sling to arrive a landing which had you guessed it more slinky more. And then I would go down another staircase, Craig. If you wouldn't believe me when I said it. I mean the staging would be a little tricky, but it'd be worked out. Yeah. And then at the end of that landing, of course, and I don't think the viewer would see it coming. There's another bunch of slinky's. Okay. And then so ignoring the comedy rule of three, we go right up to eleven. That's right at the eleven one, what is the switcheroo? Well, it's actually elevator that takes me back up to the first. The elevator doors open and I just scream. But in my screaming, I fall into this Linke's again. This is like one of those three day long Peter experiences, fashion, the director whom I've hired who happens to be blind. Who's playing piano. He's so fed up with it that he just cuts it and me from the final thing. You don't release that because you bitch, you bitch, Utah dri slot, you want and scan guide new. I shouldn't have hired you for your own creation. So that would be fun. But then when you had to get shoes, can anybody let me pair of shoes? Yes. Oh, thank you. If you want to buy them, I could make a nice size. Oh, no, thanks. I already have. So my suitcase, I just need a pair for today. But if you know, okay, go ahead. Take them, but do them back. Geez, how entrepreneurial these young women are they all seem to be consumed with money? Aren't we all in this together ladies? It doesn't seem that way because we can't get enough of Olga. So I think it's okay to play this now. Nine Olga. And you'll Mike. Oh, hi, nice to meet. You. Tell me to give me fifty dollars. In advance. Well, don't worry. Don't get hot under the caller. That's people are here. A little bit of warning for you. My dear warning and also the confusion of almost like a cult like, yeah, just constantly like what's the matter why you reacting. So strangely to this. Yeah, that's how everyone gets here. Darling, get hot under the collar tenant. That means you could co sign your life away. Taking the dead bodies of your relatives that you'll kill after lunch and wanted you give me that hair scalp, you myself. Oh, what a lovely blouse you wearing ripped off your torso. Ya fucking American. Does make me wonder who she's talking to on the phone. God knows she is cool. She's so cool. She's cool. Yes, you won't Portugal's. Yes, you'd know you did the right thing. Oh my God. She's in cahoots Craig. She's absolutely in cahoots with the witches in SRI must be. She must be MacKenzie nine that asks high. Why were the taxi drivers such assholes and another listener Mariam Blau rock has an answer. She says his license plates for Munich, and the airport is in Freiburg. That's like four point five hours to drive. I'd be grumpy too. Damn, that's a long taxi ride to get to somebody which dance school that one. That's right. Especially when you have to additional track after the girl can't get into the dentist Adamy because it's raining and the girls trying to protect her by not letting I would. I just I want to see a forty five minute, protracted seen it just like rare whipping yet, like rain, just like frantic. The longer story Pat running through the Black Forest. Oh, just the endless endless endless. This is what I listen to. When I go to bed every night is what you were listen to at the gym. Yeah, this is my cardio Jan playlist would know you spin class on spin class? Yeah, really people charged up and ready cheese yet. Mandy Melander road for people watching that may be interested in the film adaptation of literary works like your friendly neighborhood. English scholar, this movie is partially based on the spirit de profundis by the nineteenth century essay is Thomas to Quincy a collection that was never fully published because caught on fire. Wink. Wink was spooky times. It's a fascinating series of essays talks about the human consciousness fantasy and other mind, fuck ary, and I have a feeling that the audience is that love this would love them or enjoy them. Pardon me Mandy. Sorry for interrupting your movie club with book club, loved the movie. And as a former dancer who hated ballet with a burning passion, I get a little bit of satisfaction out of the idea that this is what those ballet bore. Ding schools are really like also is someone who has been forced to watch the peanut Bausch documentary dozens of times. Shilling help present. She is in that twenty eighteen trailer. Oh yes, it is. Trailer. Oh, told us Swinton looks exactly like peanut Bausch really and I'm obsessed with peanuts, really? Oh, yes. Homey, a little peanut butter. I don't know that much. Peanut Bush was a German dance theatre choreographer who became the artistic director of tons to tal- she, she was starting ballet and her. I believe her, I. Major work was her choreographing stravinsky's the rite of spring and it was done on a dirt stage entire stage was was made of dirt, and it was she in her early stuff had it was a lot of men, the battle of the sexes in. So she did a lot of her stuff. It's like a lot of it is it's ballet base, but then the trajectory of her career is like it goes into much more like fluid improvisational stuff. We're like a. Would more dancey for lack of a better word. I'm sure credit dances. I think the industry term. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I, I lost interest in Bausch when his stuff became a lot more Dan. It was dancing to freewheeling, but it will. Lot of it was just it was just like theatrics stuff where it was a pedestrian movement, a lot of repetition and variation in really, really like raw, emotional in five lint imagery between men and women. Okay. A lot of women being victim and manhandled and you know, fun stuff, Mr. Rogers of stuff. Sure, sure. Anyways, so, but she but bows yourself was extremely thin, frail angular, looking woman, and she has. There's a a piece of hers at thirty minute performance piece called Cuffy moolah convey Mula and where. She's seen in a just a slip wandering through this cafe with her hands out blind, bumping up against the wall, and there's there's, there's a whole, it's create. It's very, haunting, crickets, very haunting. I see what you ruminating earlier. Yes, of course. I had my digging out and wearing a slip a Craig. You gotta give me a little bit of artistic license Kacha. I would never try to take that away from you. I knew that you were doing an interpretation, no MAs, if you will. But what if I want you to take my ding Ling away. Well, we'll have to discuss that. We know that, hey, that wait, sorry to interrupt. I have to share with you this. No, I note for listeners who loved the goblin soundtrack, a friend of mine, Hassan goblin in concert. And I actually, I have a friend of a friend is was friends with one of the guys in the band or something, and one of the goblins and one of the goblins knows a goal in anyways, I actually two days ago I submitted a vocal performance piece. I one of their upcoming albums and linked to share with renowned. These do this exclusive. Everyone. Oh. Hm. That was that riveting? I was riveting. Yeah, it was wrenching. Was it wrenching? It was wrenching, yes, it poignant and ri- I believe it well, I have to say so have to say, so it could go nicely over something like this. If there were to do something reminiscent of than older work, who. The. Dami the Grammy now, I think, yeah, I don't know what could be in any category for that. Well, crazy thing is when you're unbeatable you're gonna beatable your breakable, your brick, but we can say, that's just how it is just like we saw on the on the drag, race reunion or the rand. Paul's drug pulse, drug race? Yeah. Tell me about your babies reenact cell wants to know, and we kind of covered this little, but I like how she put this. Why did they hate Susie so much? She started bleeding and then they drug to reach night and at the end they wanted to kill her. I thought perhaps she may be a witch herself. You know, any thoughts on this or thoughts on reasons why the which is hated her so much Susie European elitism. She's a fucking stupid American bitch that went into that school entitled like she owned the place. No. And gave Taylor was wondering if Caccia could give us a spoken word interpretation of that stained glass seen. That's all I ask. Now I'm confused though as to what the state is this, the opening. Oh, you're right. I murder. Big first murder. So if you to give a spoken word for that. Right. So I have the audio of the gory murder that might be helpful. So let me and we'll. Yeah, sure. Let me pull it up on my phone. Okay. This is the problem with her base is getting through the window. Tell you, this is I, I'm sorry. I've been declined to give you a spoken word version of this, but if it doesn't happen, so fucking cool. Yeah, it really is. This is. I mean, this is like. This, I think probably the one of the best things in any film of receiving my life. I have to agree no matter how many times I've seen the movie. I'm still stunned by the, yes. Again about the score of people had commented at the store, seemed in this proportionately loud to the dialogue. That's actually how are gentle wanted to see, did he really kind of the feeder when I got to see new Beverly, which is favorite moments ever of going to the theater? It was really fucking loud, not unpleasantly loud. They're not shriller. Anything really? You could feel it was a physical presence? Yeah, this is incredible. It's incredible. And I saw it again at the the and it was incredibly loud. It wasn't as great a presentation as it was at the new Beverly, but still that's kind of how it was meant to be seen. Cool. Yeah, yeah. So no, no spoken that. I'll have to think I'll have to all have to have to top way my typewriter. Exactly. But some things take a little bit longer. That's that's how it is. That's how it is. Chaz wrote what the fuck you, Craig. I just watched it. I asked Craig scary was beforehand because I'm a what pussy. I watched it anyway. I issue the glass through the face second issues. Good, so good. So sick and issue. The maggots. Oh, okay. Oh, gee, whiz guys, grow up. I know especially. Dance class. Wound gut in my mouth. Devastated. How, sorry? Sorry, guys, results. Someone, why the hell are they storing the meat in the attic? Well, listen, hey, if we knew all the answers to these questions, you wouldn't have asked that one. Exactly. That's right. Everybody knows that at a haunted German, dad's Cowdery on the meat goes to the attic. Yeah, not to the fridge. The freezer. Yeah. Straight to the adequate rate. Collect lots of magazine flies, verse vegetable, femur you. Another issue that says had she says the dog eating the blind man's throat. But one good thing I actually laughed when that woman got stuck in when I can only assume as a giant tangled slinky. Wiser. Your mouth dropped open when that scene half? Yeah, that was like, whoa. Oh, because you don't expect it can amp up any further than the initial murder scene. Right, right. And then the the, the knife coming in slicing open. That was pretty Ron, rough and rugged. It was the original American release of this movie had eight minutes excised and bits. They cut out were a lot of the extreme gore like that. Stabbing hard that part and that Christ's they also cut up the whole sequence with Daniel and the child and the dog. All of this show Daniel getting attacked by the dog in the town square, but there's no explanation as to why it happens. So yeah, I don't know why he would cut that out. It's very strange. I think it's strain rotten in Richardson. Hsieh's at a one final issue. Her smashing the bat with the stool. I know that Craig told me it only gets grosser midway through the film. She had tweeted and I saw I said, Willis, and just to let you know it doesn't get any easier. She said, but I had to finish the movie. I love Caccia cameo at the end. Sadder character had to die here. Nails fierce, though. Thank you so much. It was a hard roll to prepare for did a lot of research, and it was very, very proud of my performance, and I was two and I didn't want to spoil it for everyone, but it just letting them know that you're in it because what take away that's a prize that's been forty years in the making seventy seven was a hard year for me as it was for a lot of people are, you know, and I don't like to brag. You don't like to brag. You never really got into that story too. So I figured why spoil it? No, before I went to it, I love that bat seen that went on for a long time, and that was funny. It was the background cross the floor, hysterical. I also like that she took her time. Smell like put the towel over and then okay, which I do now grab a stool and just fucking bash this thing. It's a lovely whole of realization. Yeah, around that time you know, oh, wait, I think I'm being drugged. Oh shit. I still, I love the plopping of the food of the stuff into the toilet. Reminds me of Rico O'Hara at the reunion. So just the joke, not being serious, don't get offended own to get fend by these drew and is of course. But it sounds like when Suzy's drugs. Suzy, the notes, someone's them from me. Honestly. The only thing. Because it keeps telling me. If you remember what's going. This is keep get us whatever the teaches every night. Maybe don't want that evening. I was sitting next to you who. Teamed anything. You know, it's interesting point slinky treatment later, right? This is right before that. So they dope Susie up because they know that she's friends with the Sarah and actually, you know, in the swimming pool chat when Sarah's telling her the whole thing, I don't know if I realized that the first time I watched, but whenever you hear that theme, the witches theme going on when there's sort of an overhead shot or some perspective, seeing perspective, that's not a natural perspective. That's the witches hovering invisibly over the area and they can hear whatever's going on. And so they're in the swimming pool trying to be cute about it very hard nipples by the way. Noted, streamed credible absurd. Pat was taking notes on and and before going away, she gave me all the notes players. Very good friend of mine Franklin Bill convention. Let's read them tonight. Or even gets read them? I don't think so because the witches are hovering, and that's that that theme. And so then when it cuts to the shot of them with no other audio, other than the music, that's the indication that the witches are observing and watching. So someone had a couple of comments that were not so favorable, Alex Schoeman said, I didn't enjoy the plot of the film at all. The soundtrack is incredible, but the volume of intensity of it is overwhelming. The music was so loud that the actual jump scare you. The hand through the window was underwhelming and comparison. What was characters motivated by? I don't know, and I don't know of motivation is necessarily something that needs to be. Yeah, yeah, I don't care. I don't care because some, I think the bad character, whatever the villains, the witches, they were clearly motivated by just Malev. Agreed. How power? Yeah, dominance. Exactly. Good old. Exactly. Exactly seek evil agenda. And why did Susie go to Germany? Well, she says it's supposed to be a very prestigious dance academy. And at the very intro, narration says. Suzy banyan decided to perfect her ballet studies in the most famous school of dance in Europe. You chose rating kademi. One day nine in the morning, she lived entity airport, New York, and arrived in Germany at ten forty local time. Kind of a bad fade. They did in the original, but I think it's also interesting that inferno the follow up is set in largely in New York and that Suzy's from New York and in inferno. There's a similar situation where there is a, you know, a house or a bunch of buildings that have a malevolent presence in them. So back to Alex. Tunes. I'm not sure if it's on itunes. It's on Amazon always. I think I have it on here to watch. Yeah, I'm gonna watch that. Feel like to watch it here with me. I have. It's stop bullying me Kacha conscious why you told me to only bully you do these shows and I'm trying to hold to the line to consistent. It said enrollment letter that you'd be? Yes. So will I shave my compliment my. So you prove behavior that you're a raging Mike compliment down. Down. Along those lines. Alex also wanted to know why did Olga kick her out? She didn't actually kick her out. No, the school decided what was gonna happen with all the girls. Olga had no agency in this whole thing. And why was Sarah so useless? Well, desires list. Useless at all. She led us to the information that by the way before she says, what do you know about? Which is you don't really the word which is never comes up, just trying to figure out what the fuck is going on here, unless you know about the premise of the film. So what did she use the bags, the barricade the door rather than jumping into a pit, a metal at who knows, you know, see, okay, you gotta. Let listen guys at home when you're you. You're in a witchcraft, you dance school sometimes and you're being attacked by some kind of malevolent force whose power you're not really, really understand. Yes, sometimes you just make a bad decision. That's right. Your little stress out a little bit of stress goes very long way. Exactly. And who in their, I mean, listen, I'm thirty six, Craig. Your VIN de to true and who has not jumped into a big pile razor wire at one or two times in their life. Listen, it's happened at least twice. Thank you. Right. And did I question. My motivation for jumping in there. I didn't know you just try to get out of there and then tend to the wounds. Exactly. It's what got gotta do in life. Just tend to the wound into the also she's being pursued by the cloaked figure who has already tried to stab her, I think, right. There's a lot of the guys Ono so the cloaked figure that's coming after Sarah, he she locked herself in the room yet, and he's about to open the struggling with the razor to open up the law. Exactly. A couple of people questioned why wasn't able to pick the lock? I think just because he was trying to open it with the and it's slips and all that. So interesting. Little bit of trivia. The cloaked figure is played by the director Dario or Gento. Cool. Yeah, real cool and makes it clear that the which is have these sort of henchmen that go and do the bad things for them and also all the stabbings all that those are all his hand. That's so cool. It is. It's a good way to have yourself in the film. But despite these reservations, Alex enjoyed watching something so visually rich and that it was dominated by female characters with the men sort of bit players. Yeah, love that. Yeah, me too. That's very unique, especially for horror film. Yeah, hate men get him out of everything. God only make them like Pablo, so you can lost after them last after their lovely wouldn't Trumpers Kate Bosh commented that she was picturing Conti doing this on stage the whole time. I wonder if all the characters which she would pick probably Olga Olga because we have that up to sure or I actually my my, my routine would be Suzy Bannon's first day dance class when she's been flashed by the Russian, I'll flash myself as before I get on stage, maybe I've. Ginger midge flash. That's perfect. Yeah, ginger flashed me would play Albert the little boy, Courtney Courtney e. p. yeah, Courtney and then ginger midge would flash mad get onstage I, you know what? I go a little longer than her because I'm a little stronger, maybe like twelve minutes. Sure. Well, you got the set time thing. Yeah, you all do? Yeah. Would have Bianca del Rio at the piano. Okay, great. So Bianca del Rio is Daniel? Well, she's playing with their teeth hands. Gotcha hand a little twist. You wanna put your own spin on. I wanna make it my own. That's right. Yeah. Belan Juarez wrote. I've seen spirit many times and can't get over the color palette. The official lighting, the soundtrack, the camera working overall. So real dark fairytale atmosphere much more than the story. Not that it's bad by the way, just that the style of the film is much more important. Have to agree with you on that. Who is that comet by Roger fucking abor out there you'd be so sinked and cogent and. Descriptive in your comic at the fuck out his movie club bit healthy. Think this, what do you think we're trying to talk ticket here with just was just talking trash bitch, who's your favorite drag race, contested. That's all. Love that congress. And at the end, she says, given that what could we get out of the remake? Is it possible to take this masterpiece in. No, I know. Don't know. I'm, I mean, I think well, the. I think though I mean, I was trying to think if I were the director, what I would do, I would. I would you could you could change? Okay. So for example, I would do like I would go like more like you could like desalvo's rated in make it starker do like a soft, like earthy whole palette thing. You can you, there's a whole, you know, but. You could use? Yeah. There's so many, so many different ways to tweak it. I'm sure like this is going to be fascinating to see what what they do to it can't wait to see how change it. So here maybe we'll do a little update little, you know, I know what they're gonna do Craig. Yeah. What is it? Hon. Honey, that code that miss thing was hung on in the first two thin. You know, you're right. You've got to be a thicker rove it when smell. Smell you right? Maybe some like thick. Twenty. Nine, a nice. Nice. Like sorta curtain wrap, maybe a curtain rapid. Some of a law. Yeah, I don't. They that that rope is too thin? Yeah, it was looked like it had been attached to the building to. I don't know what that. Caspian in their own my God. You read it was a phone line, the phone line, maybe spectrum cable at wide it up the week pry are pretty sturdy. Yeah. So for enjoyment here. The sound of being the razor. Why. Brutal, it's and it goes on for so long. She stands up three times before times is yanked back down and see the door. It's Thursday gets to the door that God him the goddamn rate. The ravens lash with wrote. Cowabunga at least didn't have to suffer though. That's the good thing they know. Just put me on my misery, Catrine vodka if I'm saying your name, right? I hope I am just let me know if not. You can also not let me know whichever way. Had a great point. I'm sure nNcholas wanting ref and got inspiration from this for neon, demon, the color palette at cetera. No idea. And then had a question here. Why the focus on water? How does it time to the theme? I mean, there was the massive rain which Suzy also asked about then there was the zoom in on the river water running down the sink, etcetera, or is it reference to the witch topic? What do you think. I don't know. I'm not sure either just, you know, imagery I think is cool, real simple. Just like who. Including wet that watery watery and wet, and then there's the pool. That's cool. Yes, there's nothing cooler than some nice water. I don't know hardship. I dunno lowing the water that flows through live ideas, low of love river runs through it. Yes, Tom Skerritt same plot. Actually, you know, this plot is the same. I, I just I can't believe it took me this long to think of it. This is the same fucking plot Caddyshack to own my God. You're right. What the fuck Jackie Mason played the Helena, Markos character and I can't believe it took me this long to realise that she they weren't talking about witches. They were talking about funds, Nunes my God. Remember the bathtubs for about the bubbles. Exactly. Buck and believable, and then Chevy Chase as the golf expert. Amazing coach, the ball and all that. Yeah, you know, it's funny that you mentioned Caddyshack too, because this next comment from the same person is about how the theme makes them think that the footloose theme is going to start. And of course, can you log into the theme to Caddyshack? So let's listen to that. I don't. You're in no way fan. Fascinated by what they are hearing there. I don't know. I wanna follow through on this. I wanna see what they're talking about. I thought it was the theme they were talking about and it's actually this other thing. So once I. I think the referring to the guitar. Oh, my God. Yes, I hear it. Yeah. So it's the writ I thought they meant the opening dome. Don't don't. Don't don't. Don't don't totally hear that that hysterically funny, but Kevin vague which is coming out staving the day by dancing. I mean. How many movies is gonna take for you to realize that dancing songs, all of our problems or causes old with rolled out to. I totally hear the foot loose that Derek. I hear. I see. I thought they were talking about. Don't don't. Don't don't. Which is actually kind of common Qatari thing to do, but is that the is that the. The by. It's very similar. Actually. Just one of those happenstance kind of things. The front. That's fascinating by severity. I'm gonna say, I mean we should expose goblin because, oh my God, you're right years before they view they go into the future and see, yeah, they stole that. From occurred after another movie with the same exact plot? Well, here's the thing which craft again, more which have because in footloose it's Kevin bacon, who is the grand high, witch exactly exactly tries to convert Chris Penn to his wicked ways with that whole, it's about the boys sequence and and then John Lithgow is I believe, the MRs Tanner character. Yes, yes. I can't remember who plays Madame Blanc in footloose Reese. Witherspoon that. That's right. You know, do you have to do the movie club and footloose soon? I do actually. I'm late for it right now. Oh, damn. I had a Marcus wrote fucking love that scene was Susie spying chubby cooks chatting with slabs of meat in their hands. Yes, holy, really good. That was a fascinating. I go back and rewatch that to figure out what I'm if I can pick out some more Russian words. I know this group which means stupid, feminine, feminine stupid to the probably time with the stupid girl. These stupid girls don't know the power of dancing. Dance is gonna save their lives in draw the world talking about Suzie. Probably. Yeah, because she asked, whereas everybody, I bet they were planning on killing her that night anyway. Yeah. Well, she deserved to die. Just getting another note from her. Imagine having Dario or Gento as dead, which we haven't mentioned yet. Ozzy are Gento is the daughter of Dario or Gento and dairy Nicolini dare Nicolini. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good old. Good old. Yeah, everyone's favourite. Everyone's favorite. And they also mentioned as a few people did. I somehow never noticed how before how directly Stanley Kubrick quoted from this movie in the shining. So I don't know. Maybe it was an influence on him, and then I like this. She said, by the way, is this movie club totally being hijacked by a bunch of girls? Sorry about it. We're not. I don't understand. She was asking, I guess, like by looking at all the names and the comments, Honey, we don't care about. I don't care about boys. Just like the film, get them all out, get them all out. If they got wooden chompers, they're not welcome. That's right. I prefer the ladies anyway. So we all too. So let's skip to where Susie figuring out what's going on after she plops the food into the toilet dumps the wine into the sink, which is funny too because you know easier to dump it in the toilet because then she's cleaning it up by hand. But of course we could see the blood red LA. Yeah, the blood red dialing, and then she makes her way into the passageways following the steps and counting and all that. So go into the heart of darkness. And then she realizes that Pat at the door had been tell been yelling at Sarah about Lou iris turned the blue iris and after she's in the hallway, which is so cool. Oh my God. I love all the the spells on the wall and then the -morphosis. Yeah. And then what is what is the the lady saying there. Why di- verse? She says this. Get rid of American. And manage make. Understand. Ben. He was immaculate Suzy would be going through in that moment. That's right. Before she discovers the body of Sarah read with the pins, the. Yes, at least they don't torture anyone then venture, but then she's screaming about power. Oh yes. Is that what you're gonna say? No, we're, we're going to say that. Have you seen? My dad dog just kidding. Was it gnawing on your neck earlier? Yes, it was. Give them a. Satan. Travel. Just spelled out. Yeah, just say what you want. She's enthusiasm. She's a cheerleader. I think it's very sweet. She still retains the enthusiasts. He Jimmy t h one that spell. I love it. It's like a, it's like a spirit canonical way to spell cast. Toil trouble firemen and called them die beds. No, you're right. There isn't that hole on the Pearl of the z. I. I know many buyers to sung. It's just like big van. Expose that Susan van. I want that. I love it. It's great. Spas, expose Pablo's and then we got the fucking reanimated corpse. And then we got, of course Lew what? Where does it land Leona Helmsley Leona Helmsley yeah. The back bedroom right now we, I hear the clue about the breathing. We know at the end that it's Helena, Marcos because I'm gonna. Far better by the way. When we, I realize the. I knew celery snowing. How do you? I'm sure it's. That rheumatic and physique buck in rafts. It's like me. On caller. Craig, there's anything wrong. Eight. Next, it sounds like sounds good dying. Dog is sounds like me during staff. That's crazy. And so it's a great little buried clue because you see earlier, but there's so much shit going on. You just sort of take it in. You're like, okay, the directors, what does that really me before they even say, which is or anything. And then when Suzy is trying to escape Pablo's as I, it looks like Albert might see her in the hallway to outr notices something, and then alerts Pablo's go over there and get that bitch, get that fucking American bitch too. Sickness. Oh. Rupaul. Killed. Now. I. Fucking wild. It's great. You'll want to kill the lane markers. That. He got me now. Living. The sound is without the visual is really incredible. Oh. Flash light? Yeah. Line of the body. This part is in a pack Peter at like definitely volume, credible. Especially five in the morning, we saw. I was so thrilled. With a great comment from someone who is former ballet dancer, they said, this is Sarah Mars Lind. She wrote, this might sound weird, but as a former ballet dancer, I think this movie really hits the nail on the head with regards to stranger characters. You mean dance school, the feeling of alienation, paranoia invulnerability when entering new Dan school and just the down absurdity of the ballet slash art world in general. Yeah, great, black swan. Be a great follow up to this. Oh, it would be actually, I have not. Oh my God. Fad, I know I'm getting expose now this steel magnolias the kids are going to have my head Caddyshack right though. I've heard of it. No, actually Caddyshack in the theater parents. Young lad. Of course, it's the team from Katty. Kay Shak three. Sorry, that's the it was never released and it was blown up by witchcraft. That's right. That's right. We got an advance screening of it, but we actually shouldn't be talking about it, but because patriot only Leona Helmsley won't sue know. Thank God. Don't read about it. Okay, please respect our privacy trying time we struggled. He'll learn on growing compare selves. Exactly. I mean, you can. You can expose us on everything else, but not this, please. Actually, we prefer you to expose yourselves on Twitter. That's right. And then show us via DM. Some of you are started that by the way. So that's keep keep up the good work. Keep the dick pics rolling through. Sarah continued to say, I love the idea of exaggerating those feelings into a horror plot where the paranoia becomes justified and the teachers literally, which is who are out to get you love it. Same here. It's not the National Endowment of the arts. Those skis donors who wanna feel up your to to. Yeah, they wanna grab a bunch of your hand and. Spirits kind of movie that after watching it, you think to yourself, what the fuck did. I just see, but I love that because the lack of closure or understanding allows the film to linger with you in a more abstract way. There you go. But I have the same response every day when look into a mirror. Well, the running your own story. Thank you. You quite welcome. I'm treading my own journey. That's right. Yours budging through the mud. A couple of comments, and then we'll wrap up our episode which I think pretty well so far. What do you think it was a travesty? Well, I wish the Sepah so death. Goddamn episode vanish. Off the. Tape, two movie. Philly. A boring podcast is behind that. Bowl over. Podcasts. My compliments on the podcast. You ran a very boring podcast when over one hour and a half, my compliment. Said that she only had time for twenty minute five extended out my compliments. Stephen albertson. Far news, Powell love, lobbyist. Hirees squaw along on squawk squaws. Wow. Oh, wow. Visually stunning about fourteen minutes into the movie. It started thunder where I was. That's a cool little Yuki spoon. Ding, ding, Dookie the colors. The decor really spellbound. I'd like to point out olga's apartment as the coolest. Yeah, room not and Oguz up to up to also her hand gestures and arm movements when getting a phone call. Very excited. Flowing through the daily. Yeah, one, two, three. MRs. Tanner MS, Tanner, pardon me? Scared the shit of me. Imagine having watched this at the movies and experiencing that ending on a giant screen in the dark with the endless screaming. Shook shook, as I said before, I've seen it twice in the theater and it's quite quite a thing, but at five in the morning, it's a special thing. Holly g wrote this movie, worked my pussy out. Somet say. Bless you, and thank you for the great movie recommendations. I often feel like so many movies that I watch. I'm able to guess the ending or something close to it within twenty minutes. I haven't had a fucking clue what was going on until pretty much the end of both of these movies that we've watched. Well, that's what I like. Yeah. Hopefully next one, we'll do police academy threes at riot police academy. Six. Oh, that's when they started getting really good. Yeah. You know. Avenue mind that's more private time. I talked private, private police academy, talk. You try to police academies should do naked gun. I agree with you. Naked gun is so funny stuff. Okay. Never mind. Well, the next one will we'll be announcing soon. Say what it is now or. No, we're doing legend right? Are we? Yes. Let doing so we'll cut the directors now maths of flop at the box. Huge, big bomb. Yeah, lots of lots of yes drinker. Probably ended me doling mea say was career. You know an end to the could have been a very lustrous career one. Mr Thomas h crew, it's a shame that nothing ever happened for him that you know what I mean? At least he had his moment in the sun one glimmering flash of success. Pre flickering moment of fame before he was swallowed up into the bis of. What's the word I'm looking for? Sickness. Dan. Yeah. Hear that one more time. Rid of that of American. Manage make. Understand understand the seeing when you get converted that he's got one of those dinks bookie hey, let's you understand saying, but God damn American Girl. Understand what I'm saying. From peer. You see. Benny. Unambiguous instructions of love that there's no like there's no mincing words when you take instruction from the fucking head bitch and charge. It's like you come back for your valuations like Honey. There was just one direction die. Right? How many times how do I can I spell it out any more clearly for you. I love that she wants the girl, the died to earlier who's like, oh, yeah, I knew your own New York. Yes. Lovely patrons of the arts. Emily Barnhart says, I want to thank Craig for saying in a previous episode that every scene in the movie counts and it's there for a reason. Well, thank you. Thank you. It really made me watch movies differently. Well, I'm honored. I'm so thrilled that it did because you're gonna start looking at them. Yes, she started actually watching. Yeah. Before I would put on a movie in leave the room. But now I watched the the, the monitor I stay in the room, but can't this. What's changed is that now my eyes are focused on the screen. It's a revelation. I couldn't believe it. This is how it was originally intended, wow, COO, COO, thinking. She also wants to know if we felt that there are any deeper meanings to the lighting choices in the color schemes. Christmas, that's. It's merry Christmas Sarah's going to eat it red and green. You're gonna die up there. That's right. That's right. That's what Christmas is about the same plot as Christmas staff. Has Santa presence. I want. I want him to come down that goddamn chimney. You understand understand. So you've written through the night and come down to the chimney. My compliments. So you've delivered various gifts to all these poor children. My compliments. You're right. Red nose. Mike compliments. ELS a very studious and very efficient. My compliments. You don't celebrate Christmas my company. That s. Courtney's apias. Vanish disappear. Crossed her. Yeah, that's when the idea of her coming on all sorts three came up sick. Cast. Celebrity big brother, Mike. Oh, that's very interesting point that Courtney brought up my compliments. So I see traveled in my footsteps and actually won celebrity big brother. My. How. You were there? I was there before, but you actually did better than I, my company. One or two others on a suit grand wrote what I love the music and weasing whispery singing same here. The colors geometry. Actually, someone had requested that you do the LA LA Las singer. Thank you. As we are writing our final comments, we'll have that the implying behind us on also wanted to ask where they keeping Helena alive, but the blood of young women, if so, why? It's not really made clear. No, this is okay. So something that I really appreciate movies like this is having a substance that is of indeterminate origin, origin and content. I agree completely, you know, because like if people watched mother, there was the yellow substance that was taken and we never really well. I mean, maybe people know what it is is is holding and I don't wanna know, right? It's better to have it a mystery. Yeah, like you don't have to, oh, west high fructose corn syrup my compliments. I don't want to know. I want there to be variables allowed room for dreaming. Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. I know you have to know if it's blood. We don't have to know if it's who's blood it is, or if it's just maybe like red Kool aid. Johnny, Johnny. Depp's wind thirty million dollars month habit. We'll also she's fed something at the beginning to MRs tenor brings her something that looks mildly disgusting, but you don't know what it is. It looks like a crepe a small, like a pet it for maybe who knows? Maybe it could be late fudge cookie. I I think you're right about that. I think it wasn't ill cooking. You look at l. fudge as a general marketing campaign very ghoulish. Very, very, very goblet. Actually, I jingle was. Dak. Zac lag. The fudge jet of me, oh, my God. Gags the fudge out of of course talking about you Rica from repository season, ten reunion, you gagged that to me immediately. My rancid and rotten brain goes to Rimini shitty. Yeah, okay. Yeah, definitely. Because I also saw a handgun to the throat and someone so shocked. Yeah. 'cause they have. They need more proud falls than in in bathroom toilet humor on drag race. Absolutely. Well, it's a solid hit. It's a solid hit. You gag? The fudge it of me my compliments. Anything in closing that you would like to say about the spirit? Nothing just. That is. I wonder if the handyman who was coming to look at the fan approach the door in the time we're going. That. Thanks for watching everybody in for listening. Yeah, thank you very much. And we hope you enjoyed movie club volume two, and that you're looking forward to volume three and tried to kill me. Leona Helmsley trying to take my hotels and kill me and all my shoot. On on on.

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Alexei Navalnys Team Calls for New Protests in Russia for His Release

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06:40 min | 4 months ago

Alexei Navalnys Team Calls for New Protests in Russia for His Release

"Brought to you by the so-fi daily podcast. Eighty percent of new year's resolutions fail by the second week of february if reaching financial independence is something. You're striving for in two thousand twenty one. Don't let your goals fall by the wayside. Listen to the s-o-f-i daily podcast every weekday to keep informed and keep your financial resolutions search for so-fi wherever you get your podcasts. Alexey navalny team calls. For new protests in russia for his release by dario litvinova moscow allies of jailed russian opposition leader. Alexey navalny who faces years in prison called for new protests next weekend to demand his release following a wave of demonstrations that turned out tens of thousands across the country and a defiant challenge to president vladimir putin mass rallies took place. Saturday in over one hundred cities in what observers said was the largest outpouring of anger in years and nevada. Supporters urged protesters to keep up the pressure. Navan strategist leonid. Volkov tweeted monday for more demonstrations on january thirty first in all russian cities for navalny's freedom for our freedom for justice during saturday's protests over thirty seven hundred people were detained according to vdi info a human rights group that monitors political arrests. The group said the number was a record in its nine years of work more than fourteen hundred detentions in moscow alone also a record. According to russian media some of those detained were released without charges. But many others faced court hearings and moscow courts have handed jail terms ranging from seven to fifteen days to at least thirty detainees and fined sixty four others authorities also launched more than a dozen criminal investigations in moscow petersburg and other russian cities on charges of inciting unrest involving minors and illegal activity violence against police blocking roads hooliganism and damaging property. The molly's team said russia's investigative committee also probing violations of virus related restrictions. Dozens of nevada associates in various cities. Were detained in the days. Before the protests alexandra truck senior partner of the apology of protests. Legal aid group and fall into defense of over. One thousand detainees from the saturday protests called the authorities response unprecedented navalny an anti corruption. Campaigner and putin's fiercest critic was arrested january seventeenth as he returned to russia from germany where he had spent nearly five months recovering from pneumonia. Agent poisoning that he blames on the kremlin russian authorities deny the accusations. He was ordered jailed for thirty days but faces years in prison with authorities accusing him of violating the terms of a suspended sentence and a two thousand fourteen conviction for financial misdeeds. Navalny has said the conviction was motivated. Navan arrest and detention of demonstrators sparked outrage both at home and abroad and some western officials suggested imposing a sanctions on russia for its jailing off. Navalny white house press secretary. Jen psaki urged the immediate. And unconditional release of navalny as well as those who were detained in the crackdown. Sake did not say. When president joe biden plans to speak to putin biden was asked if he would put sanctions on the people involved in the poisoning and arrest of navalny and what that means for prospects of the extension of the new start nuclear arms treaty with russia. I find that we can both operate in the mutual self interest of our countries as a new start agreement and make it clear to russia that we are very concerned about their behavior. He said whether it involves evolving or some other issue the european union's foreign ministers on monday condemned his arrest and the detention of thousands at the protests the council considered it completely unacceptable condemned the mass detentions and the police brutality of the weekend. He you foreign policy chief. Joseph burrell said after chairing the meeting in brussels. The ministers however stopped short of weighing new sanctions. Barral said there has not been any concrete proposal on the table but added that the ministers are ready to act. Depending on the circumstances and russia public indignation was further. Fueled by an investigation. All team released into what they called. Putin's palace a two hour video posted on youtube. On january nineteenth alleged a lavish palace was built for putin on the black sea through an elaborate corruption scheme. It has since received over eighty six million views. The kremlin has denied. The estate had anything to do with the president. Speaking to students via video on monday putin himself addressed the allegations calling them an attempt to brainwash our citizens and saying that none of what is mentioned there as my property has never belonged and doesn't belong to me or my close relatives asked about saturday's protests. Putin said that all people have the right to express their point of view within limits outlined by law he referenced the january six attack on the us capitol and said that those taking part in it were facing between fifteen and twenty five years as if for domestic terrorism. They also came out with political slogans but outside the law. Why should everything outside. The law be allowed here know putin said the russian protests and crackdown appeared to have further strained russia. Us relations us state department spokesman. Ned price on saturday condemned the use of harsh tactics against protesters and journalists and a thirties to release navalny and all those detained for exercising. Their universal rights kremlin spokesman. Dmitry peskov accused washington of interfering with russia's internal affairs after the us embassy in moscow warning on its website detailing times and places of rallies in different russian cities and urging us citizens to avoid them on monday russia's deputy foreign minister sergey raghav lodged a protest to the us ambassador. John sullivan in connection to social media posts in support of unlawful rallies by the us embassy in moscow the ministry said it has also deemed the statement of the us state department spokesman inappropriate.

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Podimo - a European Netflix for podcasts - raises $6m

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Podimo - a European Netflix for podcasts - raises $6m

"From johannesburg south africa the latest from abc news dot net danish pecan subscription service patina has successfully raised six million dollars it joined similar products from sweden fronts in the u s in chasing they netflix support costs monica dna times is launching larger than life a story profiling big willie robinson and i preach it changed the city to go with it podcast producer page himes son has written about the challenges prince journalists moving into audio you'll find a link to that firm on you santa and fremont sadness today and useless at a newspaper from center mango indeed dominican republic listing dario has launched to daily podcast this week also launched this week and old woman podcast network called areas which launched on sunday company claims that any twenty two percent seventy percent of shows on hosted or co hosted by women and has brought the smart background music feature to the web is what is there an aps posts transit

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072   Elegance in Game Design with Dario and Fabian of Crimson Company

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072 Elegance in Game Design with Dario and Fabian of Crimson Company

"Hello fellow adventurers and welcome to the nut lab where we transform allegany passion into incredible game designs and learn how to note like a boss. My name is marvin. And i am nabisco designer on my quest to develop a cooperative fantasy card. Game for this podcast. My vision is to take you with me on this exciting journey together. We will explore the secrets of different game mechanics and reach the next level as a game designer. Today we have to special guests in the not lab and if it weren't for corona they might even be physically in the nod lab right next to me because we live very close together but not only do we live very close to each other but we also have a very very similar taste when it comes to gains They enjoy strategy games as much as i do and they have to sign and publish their own card game. It relies heavily on skill. It is about Buying sorts. And my all time favorite mechanic drafting i. I'm very curious to talk about That game their journey and their plans for the future. Please come with me Dario and fabian the designers and publishers of crimson company. Welcome to the show. Wfan thanks for having us. Thank you very much. So before we start talking about the design process of crimson company Please introduce yourself and tell our listeners. How your journey as a game designer started and way you'll laugh or reggie kat games come strong. So maybe dario do you want to start. Of course yeah. I am a little bit into the games industry in two thousand nine. When i started as games on tribune. I came because i was a Trim play of the game from the early germ broza game space and i was the first players in this game and Yeah gave some suggestions to the program and some years later. He asked me if. I want to join as game designer inches company. That was built up until then i was Astonished topic driving games have become and yes since then. It's ten years ago. Washington years ago looking for seven games as game designer on several projects of detroit treading kingdom skull. Gm booking account reps at wall and yes then several years ago hobby into the company and also a game design and We found out that we both of course Liked playing strategy games and we spend our lunch breaks playing at stone and other kind of stuff and yet time we found out stats. Hostile is kind of Yeah barring to us we a did the arena mode because this was the only thing that will submit exciting because he has randomness of bidding. You'll dankin than competing against other the decks. We got some joy out of these The main branch of the game was much to Lack based and also It was kind of expensive or randy to always keep up with a new concept. That came out So we Sunday kind of designed to do own. Better cop cop game ans- I thought about doing cock game the dismay digital them Gas this thought away. Because we thought the k we live every already rook the company and bruno F this is so we do a physical top game and We found a small or first of all we the type and did some durations. At some point we invited our colleagues to play with us Previously we had already played some prototypes at some prototypes types. And at some point or early in the process to be honest accent. Oh that's really cool on should probably or you should definitely publish this and redo it so. We found a company with a goal to gay stuff the game and yet we did so i printed of very small or very small two smaller print of one thousand copies in order to prepare the kickstarter and sent out some review copy since long than Kick start off the looks Version We were quite happy with the outcome because we basically did not think that many people would be interested in the game but in the end it was about one thousand five from dutch bekker's end. Yeah was that. We felt that it make sense to go on with the project and since then Two additional kickstarter campaigns with Two expansions and we also at some point go to government funding in order to do a digital prototype type of game and yet we are now bonus federal in germany with the some early version of it. We had the chance to even the up this prototype in into mvp Very reduced would call it. Slides maybe solo a version. That will be playable quite nicely in two months hopefully Because in the end of february we do our third kickstarter Combined star of expansion end this digital because we want to bring student digital edition To the bbc and also Once to get some money in order to further the game and of course want to check in this kickstarter if everything if enough interest in distribution if that sounds very interesting and to like an awesome over the last couple of years so far beyond do you want to tell the little business a little bit about about you and how you got into the into that business. Basically answered all from a question already. Yes so basically my johnny mike. Game design gianni. I guess started like the year. Two thousand when i was making some rpg maker project that were just pretty generic fantasy jay rpg types things just using the rpg mak- two thousand that came at the time and Then i kind of lost track of thal making games Thing i was more into making music during my time. When i was finishing school and stuff and only really got back into it when i Started studying computer. Science in two thousand ten and Yet was basically got very interested into hollow system analysis and system design aspect of computer science and All were also at the same time. found out about several blocks of of game designers and really realized this this whole discipline. That's not like the obvious things that you associated with games like art and programming and sound and stuff but this is bruce. Set design thing and Yet then basically went into that whole and read every book on the topic. I could find Ended up writing my master's thesis about a game design for digital learning games and Then after i finished my studies Right away tried to Get into a game design position which is not that easy because there aren't that many especially in germany and got the chance to start a trivia games and tarot was involved in hiring me as well and Yeah i have been working together with him for the until the end of last year and then changed companies but Yeah we s you set during the time we we had this this house stone lunch break thing going on regularly and over time kind of start. It's analyzing the flaws of the game more than we were still playing the game and Yet basically tried out all kinds of different card games and strategy games and Try to combine them all into the best possible. Do a cop game that we could think of that's what crimson company became awesome. Have so many. Follow up questions. I want to talk about the the flat that you identified as games. I want to talk about all the different strategy. Cod games. That you that you played and that had an impact on on the design on crimson company but before we get to that I would like to To a little bit more about How the diff. The roads are bided between you in the team in the company of crimson company so who is responsible for what in your company. That's a funny question because we basically never really talked about that and everything kind of Develop organically Fobbing is the ceo. First of all on so he is responsible for boring. Text these try to mainly. We are kind of similar because we are both game designers and built have a kind of similar perspective on games so we are not very good in art or don't auto programming whatsoever at all so basically we do game design and for all the other stuff we try to hire other people But of course we have to a little boring stuff to go. Ready said so to. He has thingies and we have to careful. Marketing have to set up camp. The campaigns have to hire people end to contracts with them Get the bonus. Federal for for example. So yeah basically we really Divides the stuff by End a little bit by a if someone is better at something i've been fucked. Something is better at writing especially in english. So whenever there's a writing tasks Yeah we we try. He does that. And i may be right a little bit more was other people casually. I don't know what would you say. How can i mean. We don't have like of strict strict role separation between the two of us like We do the game designed together and the other things are basically on the fly of when then needed and when someone has time to do them and Yeah we try to look a little bit for The strength spots. Yeah we we basically do all these things together and then we For the for the digital we hired people that are very focused You ex designer. That does like you. I end you. Xander programmatic only programming and Our artists janas fear that we've been working with from the first edition of the card game of course just dusty odd things smell. So that's the those people are very focused on their area but Yeah the other stuff. We are basically just the co founder. That do everything that require basically. Okay then that's Let's look a little bit more at the design process So at you already said that you have pretty similar mindset but Was there a situation where you probably had different. Opinions about The game crimson company are What would you say makes you most What is the biggest difference between you as a as a game designer in the role of designing games. I would say that we have a little bit the role that i tried to give a little bit more impulses and fabu entrusts to consolidate stuff or Kind of Yet do something useful or something. We can really use in the end. So i can hardly think about any In the development of a coming because most of the stuff was quite obvious when we analyze that we want to go away and then we tried it all. We fought audit works or doesn't work and was quite obvious. I think the only situation. Where maybe i was a little bit more pushy lawson decided on read the problem in the Yet quite light late in the design process would we had the ottawa. Donald already end of the game was just before getting printed in this Refer sedition and we still had a problem with around structure because originally the game worked slack. The cat game at digital looks right now. So you buy car directly played and in the physical caulkins. That's confused player plasma much because they lost track of whom stewardess because the other player could play koch in This blast turn so and then we tried to things out and to fix this and there was a possible solution. We have no the physical version that Each player kind of stores The costs he buys until his own. Deploy face i deployment face and this was a little bit. Spent i post a little more for it in on Needed a little bit more time in order to get used to the change. But we didn't the end. I would say a steed That's kind of differentiates us the bit. But i can't think of anything. I was a little reluctant because it was my ties to write the rule book at the whole Pace thing basically had to be restructured on the phases has to be introduced because previously. We just had this yet just written down one point after the other basically and it was confusing definitely better to go with the with the new version for the for the physical game because it's much clearer whose turn it is and Was going next. And whose whose turn is it now to bit on a card or to to react on a bit and Yet so it was much fed up but it was just a pretty significant change in at the time when we will almost ready to to print game basically so I'm glad we got in the one week or something before we went into printing was not a good. It's too late and not the best timing but we already get into the nitty gritties of the game saw. Maybe it makes sense to to to here and step back and explain how the game actually actually works. What does the game about. What are the The call routes can you give us a short introduction. Please yeah It's a dueling amazon. We already said it's about to play that compete controlling three castles in the middle of them. And that's kind of a battlefield so players play settled characters in front of those a castles. One supplier has four cells. Hold characters in front of one castle. So on his side of norton some The catholic gorge the means although strength Each cart has little strength value on it. And those get it up compared On both sides and the player with more strength winds the castle and this has not to be player who laid the fourth caught because it could also be that the play was three cots has more strength so that is not very likely but in some situations that happens and both players Kind of Recruit those sorts in competition to each other because each player and has the stars of coins and One players always on the term and on his turn a player puts exclusions card oneself locked and the player can then decide if it is okay that he buys The cellphone does amount mold of coins. Or he has the option to put as many coins as already on the cops From his storage on the car and then the plan with the initial gets all the coins so has doubled his initial coins on the playoffs. But the second player Gets the foot and This makes a kind of interesting game. Play together with Yeah a lot of Could affects the concepts have so each arch. Econ say that anymore because we introduced now five cards that have no effect at all us in the original design. Each cod has had an effect on its own. Sometimes when you play the cost sometimes in a specific face and all these effects interact with each other in Yeah the whole what structure and what is offered interact with each other so that it's very hard to estimate how much is a cod was in a given situation that successfully the gamble. I'm so you have kind of to Two of the game. You have to Fighting odd you have to combine The abilities and the strength In a way that you get an advantage and win the castles and to have this Other field of recruiting the cell sauce for coins where you have to get a feeling how many coins you have to bid on a cot or at what point when you are on the other sides after possible take sneaks Away from the other player. Yeah and the Effects are designed so that it's not Easy to to determine how much is worth so in effect could be something like you can move to another lane so in front of another coastal and depending on the board situation could mean you immediately win that castle. Because it's the fourth cops the you put into this lane or it could basically have nothing and everything in between is also possible so At the same is true for like destruction effects and We have this other special effects called flip way you can turn around and and it says zero strength and loses its effect but then when you flip it again then you can read trigger the effect and this all makes the the evaluation process very complex. So you never can really say for sure. How much cod his words. And you always have to adapt your thinking based on on the current game state and This is one. I guess thing. That's very different from other games where you usually have cards. That have like a fixed. Cost like dispel costs three mana or whatever and Our cops don't test that so for every cop you try to buy you have to determine the value for yourself in the current situation and This also has kind of a neat side effect that the game kind of balances itself because if cod is week than you just try to get it for one or two coins and your opponents then decides if they want to take it from you leave it to you and So it caught can really be yep broken in terms of balancing i guess that can be very swinging effects that that might render other counts. Meaning this so we try to avoid those. But in general we have a pretty wide range of effects that are possible because of this self balancing kind of design. I really liked that. I really liked that and It is a surprising. How similar our our games actually aren't so. Let me give an example before i come up with some fulop questions So we have the same very straight same situation in a. game Was something that is called the mind book and whenever you play a creature There is no cost for playing that creature pretty similar to to yoga in day. Snow resource like i imagine for example And as a result it's You do not have a card said have minor effected heff really bad cod that you need in the beginning of the game. Because you don't haven't have enough mana but you have the mind and the mike buck is similar to to your kind of auction mechanic. So whenever in someone plays a creature. The opponent has the chance to to mind bucket so to control the mind of And actually take control of it instead of The player that played the creature and that has a very similar effect. it is an auto balancing mechanic. Because when you ll you could play literally you could play your strongest car in the first turn but then your opponent might take it from you and Yet you with it so You might you have to make your your strategy with that in mind and This auto balancing mechanic is something that was really really helpful for us during the design during the design process and that is actually something that helped us a lot to To make the game much easier than lot of the other strategy card games. I'll damn because the monopoly games. You have You have things like The resource system like monarch for example. That you need to take a keep track off and so on And in our case this is not necessary. We just don't need it and I what i've seen from your game. It looks pretty similar. So do you think this This auction mechanic If you call that other the the bidding Had a big impact on the On the east of play foia game. I just wanted to Save one thing fund set to correct a bit. He said that can be broken in our game. And but this is not exactly the case. We have only this We have a corridor. Lettuce has some range and but we have to see that Cards are not totally worthless. Us all totally overpower in some situations. Only to some degree. this could be possible Because we have to avoid for example that it is a good move to put all your coins in the first Turn on a cart. This is to go to for example So we have to balance of forest according to and we have to of course see that the copy effects are interesting in different situations in The koch has a different value in those situations. But first of all your game Sounds very interesting very cool already. Which back to look into it a little or have some day. Whatever but interesting. End to the Bidding system. i would definitely say that. This was a big breakthrough before. We kind of experimented when we said. We're going to do this wallace Alston with a kind of a play system alerts ever so because we wanted to somehow Y'all have two factors. You have to consider that you do not only have this a cost thing but also some kind economic stuff than we Came up with. Oh Could a Coins and different to other games. Where you pay for costs we don't have to have fixed costs for the carts but we can make it a player Kind of figure that out That was a big breakthrough for the game because it made the experience so much deeper with a relatively few elements because kind of those two areas and both are highly competitive. So yeah you have the battlefield and you have this and your mind switches between the both of them. The gives the game the opportunity to really create a lot of debt. was small amount of game elements of say. Yeah that's That's pretty much similar to the game as well. And and you mentioned several times that you played hawthorne and wanted to get rid of the flaws And that you played a lot of other strategy card games so Can you go a little bit into the details. What what actually Were those other games. That inspired you to create crimson company. And what were that that that flaws that you really disliked about those games. Yes so i mean the the first game. We really like went deep into was half stone. Stereo mentioned in our lunch breaks and we really detect regularly for quite awhile and as he mentioned we didn't Like the deconstructed side of things too much because got stale pretty quickly and it was mostly a matter of which you're facing both play us. Pick the deck blindly. And then sunday was good against the other or not and so we really focus more on this Arena mode where you build a deck on the fly and Yet it still offered some interesting decisions. quite regularly and I guess that's also one of the first inspiration points. Also that we started from they wanted. We don't want you to bring preconstructed private decks that you draw out from and So the match up decides to the game before it even started and That's in the why we landed at this shot deck between the playoffs in crimson company and You don't even draw cops into your hands. You just play them directly onto the board when you buy them so we kind of through many of the typicals. Cg things out the window office also the the fixed a cost thing for cats that we already mentioned. We also got rid of that so Through rations we got further and further away from from the traditional magic hostile type of seizure. Chief One other inspirational game fuss was went. Which had the the lions thing but When we look at this we kind of thought you could do. More with lanes because in gwen The strength of all units just summed up together and Like seventy or eighty percent of the time. It doesn't really matter into which lane you play unit because they they just stack up on both sides and they don't really go lane versus lane or something. So that's why we divided the crimson bought into this three clear lanes and Than yet had much more interesting. Play around this This playing space. That was actually meaningful because moving a cart between lanes and crimson company has like a huge impact. Because you're going for different. Costlo dow different cards on the other side of that castle. And the cop might have totally different meaning when it's another lane and yet but that was Another inspiration and The the the other one. I want to mention press. Mata which is a very very interesting game that also had Some similar philosophy approaches as we had. I guess The wanted to make a very fair and very skill based game and at this This random marketplace kind of way bought units from and I actually like playing it a lot but It's it's the problem i have with. It is that it's completely open information. So it's very chess-like You quickly when when you get better at the game and climb up the letter. Then you get into situations where you basically need to calculate out the whole game on turn one and just find the best strategy in in the random set of units and then do what that strategy until the end because you're pretty much calculated and decided from the first turn and so we. We kind of wanted a game. That was skill based in a similar way but We didn't want you to sit there and think through the game we wanted. They wanted to make decisions on the fly and think on your feet a little bit and that's why we have this this more dynamic markets basically because we have for characters on offer that you can buy and you can see the upcoming one on top of the deck will be a replacement when you buy a character of those four but You don't like see the whole upcoming or something so you always need to react on what comes up. So we have this little bit of hidden information to Make the game more intuitive and easier to get into yeah but other than that will still very focused on the competitive side of things. Of course you also notes no. What's your opponent will behave like so in egypt situation you who A bit amount of You think that it's worth in the situation and you never know we'll pass or will he take over this So you stood. You could get screwed quite a bit at least Way ahead of coins. 'em for me. Also one branch didn't mention was this dominion ascension stirrups branch Quite a bit and they already have this shared. Offer the both players by on the ships From one central market bunch of the Have fix prices Did not like about this was that it felt quite random because Yet based on the amount of coins or of of money you randomly draw you could buy carly couldn't And yet. Once you bought a car another of course came up in. This was totally random. This could also buy or if it was a car that You miss by one money and your opponent could get into awesome so this whole deck shuffling dick building aspect was together with those market that showed up made the game very very random Bouts i would say. Beside of the randomness factor. We were we are already close. Or the gables. Already grossed echoes to comedy so you could say crimson company is kind of mesh up between star rams and matter if you give us kind of frame i also read the the sentence on your website like magic and chess would have a baby and also describes it quite well from my from my perspective so you all both of you mentioned that The different values that cut can have different. Well you Compared on or indifferent lanes or different a game situations at different bought states so And since every card seems to have some or most of the cod seemed to have some kind of of effect or ability Did you ever had problems with Kind of bought complexity. So i mean you you got completely rid of this hand stuff where people like magic where people have seven cards in hand for example which already creates a lot of mental burden and complexity but from what i've seen you also have some Quite a bit of cards on the table and when one lane will be closed for example they can can be swapped to another lane and all most of that is visible inflammation. So did you ever had the problem that dumb them players were overwhelmed by the amount of complexity May be doing your design stage when you had two different complexity on at an melena whatsoever or was this This never a problem. In your design process. I would say and it was more positive thing That's got into very comparable we get during a game into very complex suggests because those other at least solvable that means Even very very experienced players like us replied hundreds of games We even have in a game especially during the face of game Some situations where we have no idea what the ride. A model of coins We should bid on koch so the difference is maybe two three coins for even out. Sure how much this is really Now in this kind of makes the difference. Skillful the players So the complexity is not so much what happens on the battlefield. Because this combo's you can figure out. And i mean you have fewer combo in mind that you see and evaluates of the value of the cards based on this and if you don't see the best combo on how you could win in another way it's not such a big problem. I would say just such a good player but when you see the best combination the problem still remains that you have Promises especially when cosco scored two really value the cots. You want to buy an ride and this makes The game so deep. I will say. Isn't that fantastic. So i have the same sometime the same feeling with with our game because the cuts itself a pretty simple and they are much more simple than in games like magic or or even half but the the kind of different combinations and bought states that challenge the players that can come by combining those different simply artifacts are always very surprising surprising to me even after playing the games. I don't dunno one hundred times and the town's pretty soon enough for your game. He s. i mean that's kind of the holy grail of mechanics driven. Game design is always to make something very elegant so it it's like a lot of complexity with relatively few and simple elements and Yet that's that's also What we try to design for and where we also arrived in the end but To to get back to the Overwhelming complexity question. Bits like we also simplified a lot of things when we it's rates it's onto design. Like dario mentioned this supply thing that we had one of the first prototype versions we made and that got really complicated. Pretty quickly to calculate around a lot. And i think at some point we had like a combo space on a serious of symbols on the cards or something like an idea like that and we also got rid of that was. That was a funny story. because I thought all we need to some complexity in just have this bidding hanoch and then i will remain kosor. I think i screwed this up this coma basic things and then high Went on vacation with a friend of mine and She i had this time with me and she said Play this context stuff. We a should leave this place with the game when we leave this combo. Whatever thinking with the symbols away and just have costs with the With a strengthener use and actually this was Quite a lot of fun. So you could even play the game without any effects because the core account is so strong So we yet reduced this and said okay. Each is simply showed him one. Simple effect a one simply for itself but of course combination decade muslim texts again yet we could have even what we did nov reintroduce some carts or we will introduce some conflict. The next expansion as will even have no effects at all kind of an extension that you can Bring you us more easy. The into the game And this was a big reveal for me that didn't need this additional complexity. I came up with In order to be a real game the the strength values with together with the bidding mechanisms is already enough for game danmark temples of this like later on. We also reduced the number of cards. That were in elaine Because it was interesting enough sickly or in a very enough and also Kept on the range of strength values from just a one to five in the end because that was enough again because we have this range we balanced four so we give strength of one test. Pre pretty strong effect probably but We just realized we didn't need like strength values from one to ten. No whatever from nine the beginning of something wants to nine and Yeah we simplify a lot of things in the design process and yeah when we basically realized just the bidding mechanism with the spot structure with the lanes of the card effects. Much potential on its own that we just don't need a lot of stuff around and we also throw away some stuff where we found altered do so most situations so in the very beginning you could bid of more than one cart Your your opponent could affect kind of mitch. Whatever he wanted but then we found out that this is kind of a stupid and everybody only wants to bid one card as except for some cases where one layer has not off more coins than the player. So we simply said it is only allowed to bid on one card to make the whole thing more easy and to kind of help you players to get into the game. And that's that's awesome to to humour about your design process. And i love that approach of simplifying the game step by step and trying to achieve this elegance that you mentioned and if someone tells you that your game designers elegant i think this is a the best compliment you can get as a as a game designer And i really think you'll game is and What i wanted to ask. You is which game mechanic or part of your game Is the one you are most proud of from a game. Designer s perspective. And then i tell you what i think. Is the best mechanic in your game. How many want to start. Or should i start. Say yes i say. Maybe we have all one thing. We're most proud. Of is the or i m. Most brought off is the Yeah way concentrate student. So the bidding mechanic because it is kind of straightforward fast and but at the same time creates a lot of complexity and kind of Makes your thoughts Gets you really deep into the thought process of how much you should be on the heart. That's one from the other one. I thought of immediately was the flipping effect that i mentioned before where you can Kind of deactivate codes by turning them face down and which is was actually Funnily enough of sense by bike went a little bit because they have these trump cards that Applied face down. And then yet you turn them face up in a certain situation and your opponent doesn't know what kind of trap it is and how they trigger it but again Which to kind of to a little bit more with the flipping and so the flip in our game still units and ken still Win lanes are if you move for example of flip card on your opponents sites To elaine where they already have three cards than they might lose that lane. Because it's just zero strength cut you you've moved there to To trigger the scarring and so it was already Quite interesting on its own flip effect but later during play testing we Basically came up with that rule that you can build your own combos by flipping face-down cots up again so If you have like a cost excess destroy another car and then you flip it face down and later on flip it back up with another for the fact that you can destroy caught again than they are combos in the game where you can kind of built as much little machines that trigger like a distraction effect every turn give you extra coins every turn because some cuts flipped another cop and yet the led to a lot of really cool interesting combination sent possibilities yet to explain when the cart has a diploma defect endicott was face down and his of up again. The diploma defect will trigger again. Fix that only the face but the department Tend to be drums defects the game so this act creates a lot of possibilities because in some situations it's might speak even good if you flip your own conflict sample There's the assessment which has only strength of one so it doesn't cost much Can destroy opponent card in december lane at this is of course very strong as you might flip your own assessment in preparation of destroying any card and gather some cars that he can this the mkx for example that flips a koch each income. Face the player. And when you combine that with assess on you can kind of destroy caught every second run even introduced the first expansion of car The shadow that destroys a car in dennis flipped. So you could even add destroy each turn and also caused like the The great raba which gets coins as much coins as the strength value although qatar's then flips it and this together with the coke for example creates a combo that creates you two points each turn. Yes such things a cool. Because it's very strong combo but it's fragile. You have two cars involve if one gets destroyed you can totally get screwed up. And that makes kind of the profile of the game that's Yeah again in this situation. A those two cards are very strong together but once one cardis moved to another for example The metco s maybe flip itself. And it's of course nonsense. Wanted with this. Yeah thank you. Thank you much for explaining that. And to be honest the flipping mechanic is also the one that i would have mentioned as the my favorite aspect mechanic of the game because it it really adds an additional layer to the game so from at least from what i've seen It at this entire layer of Maybe it's not the curriculum. But i would call it engine building or combos or whatsoever And it does it in a very elegant way because in other games you have this engine builders like a you need to collect Three red resources to activate that -bility over here And if used them how can collect multiple of those. You can triggered several times so but it's so much easier to chest Flipper cart and flip it back. It's I think it's it's elegant and i. I like it a lot. I think we are all the same fish. The what the good things about the game. All the best spects okay. Now we talked quite a bit about about the game. And i could. I could ask you thousand more questions. Probably burt already. Quite a bit of time into this podcast so I would like to transition a little bit to to to your kickstarter phase and The whole distribution stuff so What were your first steps on on kickstarter. Did you start right away with your your main game. You mentioned the beginning. Something for one thousand copies also But i wasn't sure if this was a pre kickstarter oil kicks up campaign or how. How did you. How did you start to to build your crowd On kickstarter yet basically we started with Funding our company so we had the goal to go on kickstarter. And so we kind of brainstormed what we would need for this and Yeah kind of through the money together. A what we thought we would need with Kind of mission to say okay in the end. That might be wasted. Looks good on all your time and than we paid a artist to do the cars and We then decided. Because i have had this in james. Dick myers kickstarter book That we would do little pre-campaign or let's say we all 'cause ready for print more or less and Yeah i think two weeks before we had to sense over the company it was even a process to get there but it's so easy to print on companies because we didn't didn't know that before the so this story for self Then we Two weeks before we had to send the final Files all the audit was ready and we spontaneously decided yeah. We decided to pre-campaign For princeton play files so We kind of said okay. We will little kickstarter with one with a ten euro and For one euro you can get the print files of our game and just put it on. no expectation at all. Because we thought okay. We hope to get the ten euros from police and this exactly was One thing one called a bit slow at the end of the first day we were kind of at seven euro and after some and one colleague of us was kind of their. What are you doing here. You should do real campaign or you should lead into a drive in such a crab. So i just give three euros than you have to attend euros over. The campaign lasted a day. or something. And yeah somehow. In the end we got Over two hundred Six hundred ninety euros or something because three people put in one hundred six euro for whatever reason life. That was very nice and we've ended. Weren't your parents right at works. Our colleague Was a fan of this collegue one. Just mata player and yeah. That was quite cool. And what did you do to To get to those two hundred backers for that campaign. Did you do a lot of marketing. Did you have a big email list when you started or was this just like basically does was just like we didn't do anything at all asked two or three clicks to give us euro something and Or told them about this. They give us in euro after that We did not do anything we did. Very very crappy cam video Twenty minutes or something We are not good in front of the camera bells. And you see this is look at the video because we kind of tried to sell the us piece of our game there which i will definitely do by the way. It's very authentic in the emperor forever now yet. Snow said and Yeah but in the entry way heavy with after those eight days and i think brazil lead this was a very big factor of at the later campaign Kind of got a good head start because Debts gave us. I don't know twenty thirty bekker's in the beginning of this is of course a big difference to other campaigns or other developers who stopped their own campaigns Dunno two three bekker's in the beginning at the ritz. You higher Yeah that was very lucky thing. I think we had done it. Yeah i i guess. The printed and play campaign was more in the the original spirit of kickstarter. Basically where you support a cool idea. Someone has and they they don't show up with like Finish act and sell it but they just have this idea in their mind and the Like we laid out our thoughts a bit on the campaign page like what does about. Why are we making this. Be one to improve on weaknesses of other card games. Kc and i guess this also brought in A few supporters over time and yet this was our first step basically to what's something like a mailing list like we had these two hundred ecocide that we could contact by doing updates on that campaign and previously we really at nothing basically. And what's funny is that we On purpose to be only printed play campaign because we want to do the real company later when came to the decision of doing the big campaign We had already sent offers addition to some reviewers already went to essen ashby sent and sold the pots this first edition and Yeah than we were not so sure if it is kind of good are enough if we just sell the spread Games now on On kickstarter We need something in addition and So we kind of made up some fake polls like for thirty five dollars for fifty thousand euros we give you a metal collins in for seventy five thousand euros we will give you If you motives a yup inter castles and Under we have reached the goal. We will just print you The miniature castles with all three d. printer. And when you see on this helping elect were where we thought we will kind of reach. One or two hundred bekker's i think in the end. We were quite astonished that we got thousand bekker's end the very end. We were what frightened that we miss. This goal of getting. This injected voted castles. Because then we would have to print all those costs and it was just to do it for thousands. so we kind of Sean or goal from thirty five thousand to thirty thousand and Yeah rich vets still in the campaign and so all we're happy in the end and We didn't additional print run of a deluxe version and didn't use our first edition copies for that. Very nice behind the scenes story about that was kind of thanks for sharing. So one thing that. I am always a little bit afraid of when it comes to kickstarter And from both perspectives from special offer. A becker and A campaign initiator create. So are the shipping costs. So if if you are from germany and a lot of board game campaigns really are from from as nowadays On kickstarter You often times have to pay more for the shipping cost than for the game itself and as the creator. You of course are little bit anxious that you might miss the right and the right amount of the shipping costs for the entire world saw I have seen that you. I think you ship full three euros within germany and for four euros worldwide. So what were your experience with that. How did you get to that number And caused any problems for you or was it. Just fine we Calculate alison costs in the way that we looked up. I mean we have the posting. That initial game was very small. And it's just fit into an envelope This this Internet's not from the dutch pasta. And you can send Things worldwide for a three euro ninety. I think In a cost you have to pay the End sir Just said okay. We do this that we have to buy the envelope end. Have some struggle with it so we just take the five for should be internationally and of course we have also the sending. Don't arrive and we have to kind of cendant so on and yeah this was Very sharply calculated so. I think we paid a little bit on top of the shipping up. Of course this low shipping Helped us to get some bekker's or at least not scare abacus way because it was obviously a new game Nobody knew upfront front end in the end. It was quite a good value for this fabulous Getting with Medal cons and this Castle minhaj us I think it was seventeen. euro plus shipping when you were in the. Us was quite good. I think ended was Yeah daily the costs we had with with a thing but yet that was the first campaign painted was never about doing or earning much money with the game. The most cool that yet chipping is definitely something you have to consider Which can skew Were your lucky in having a bigger boxes in this way in the last southern campaign we did a collector's box which is a bigger but we still Couch that we can at least send it. S picking internationally In tekken arnold debt. Expensive ed Repechages as we could somehow symptom initially but it was really expensive. I think it cost twenty one euros shipping alone and the books. The senate box had a proposal twenty nine year old. So we Dennis move countries at almost the same should being like product price of the reduce the number international bekker's and but would was cool for the. Us found a company that did the shipping for us. So that book to fry the game's over to the his just tripped the game Met cheaper. They didn't send over the invoice yet. Now that's very interesting so when it comes to your target audience. I guess you already have get a lot of feedback from from players and they also asked you questions on kickstarter and so on so i'm interested since all games are actually quite similar. So i'm interested in how your target audience looks like Especially compared to maybe games. Like magic. The gathering or other typical. Cc cheese and tc cheese Would you say your players are more like those kind of players like the typical cc. Cheap players that to try out something new what you say. Your audience is more of the typical bar game player that wants to to try out some kind of strategy card game. I mean we from the beginning pretty much Explained our game with this idea of fixing the c. c. g. formula something so we believe that there are a lot of players who likes this ogies or like the general feeling of thanks. Lisa g is like all the different kumble's that come up and Having this really focused duel against another player and thinking on your feet to outsmart them and We generally try to capture. That's also in an hour game So i guess cease jeep players. That are kind of a little bit. Disgruntled are definitely one one target audience. We are going for because that's like also how we got to making the game And yet we kind of also build it for ourselves and In that way also for for other players with similar thoughts. I don't think we're really Speaking to the traditional body game or game crowd s much. We have this Economic aspect of things so that might Get some interest from that side as well but Really overall we're more focused on the on the dual aspect and Yet try to gather interest from that Audience also with the deck building game star. realms is also similar mindset that you have going into the game and We also try to capture that mindset without also repeating the things we didn't like about these other games. Yeah diabled say am all-time audience Different to classical. Cg's because obviously the stick building and kaas holding aspect is missing. So i would. Does this kind of a. yeah. I would say the creative aspect more of the game and so allow target audience. I would say a little bit more competitive. More focused on decision making and not so much on a bidding Expressing their creativity with the kind of dex they build. Whatever so. I will say this difference because you build up your stuff. Doing the game was really addicted. Liberty put all the things openly on the bought. So you don't have so much to gamble off will your deck interact with it self and more the gamble off you place. opponent match that with pass and I this was not your kickstarter campaign so you have Several expansions now for the game. So i guess. Does this also part of your of your business model of course So before i ask you about your news expansion and give you the chance to to explain it to our audience What do you actually do to to keep the our audience interested so because you want to call you. Want to sell them Expansions in the long run. You want to Stay engaged with them. and Yeah i'm interested in your waste off staying in touch touch with them in between the different expansions. For example we have a discussion excuse. Especially in the digital rosen for the app there are discussions going on will improve the bucks Are in whatever soviet we stay in touch over discard Of course we try to inform the community by case data updates or by blog posts and also of course try to do with social media with take facebook rent Yeah bit into That's yeah we are killing debt focused on marketing or much good at marketing. So this is more something that we have to feed in create. We have to do it a bit but not as big a plan. Whatever behind that. Did you ever consider to to hire some kind of marketing agency. Or i know that there are agencies that help to Increase attention for specifics. Set a campaign. Did you ever consider to working with one of those partners. Here at some point For the last campaign resolve Working together with how was it called Beca kit i think because Those were the only ones basically where people said. Okay there are serious. They are good for some campaigns Bots at the same time we fell. That's it's squat. I think they re by one thousand dollars initial payment and the risk is on your side so they try basically that they tried to escort with this Two thousand Of marketing as they can and for every sell degenerate they get exposed of the cell. So i think fifty percent or whatever So they have only the risk of the time they invest and you have the risk of Yeah paying this two thousand dollars for nothing and yeah in the end we said okay. We are not sure if we want to invest two thousand dollars in facebook marketing and we also not sure if along that redefined target group is ready for such kind of marketing so we decided against Ends here. i'm kind of stories about those agencies over and over again. I think baker has serious and there may be some other do a good job but yeah you'll get Many people contact you the kind of promise you to market game whatever and you pay them at you always if the risk and they don't just took a promise you stuff but with no evidence so to say so this is a feed we where we are quite a careful for the next gig such a campaign we have the strategy to do some influence. Oh marketing To get some videos of a kind of a jealousy live. That's the just present the game. And i think is more long-term Kind of thing because those videos stay in the internet and you can use them in order to expand your game for something better for us but asserted so before we come to an end Other any other tips or advise that you would like to give to to the other game designers out there With regards to the game design in general or maybe a kicks broadened kickstarter Your main lessons so anything that you would like to share with other game designers for me the main thing I misjudged think from my experience. This is something names Stott hats over into own project. That's you completely overestimate That the world waits Foia game because Also thought all we just have to bring this printed somehow this game and then every body would like to play it would like to own a whatever am so you tend to think as a yukon. That's just one step behind a getting whatever and this is definitely not the case and so you should be Cautious and try to be realistic in order. Not to burn money or to take too much risk. Because i think You can build up something but it's long-term Thing and It's really. You're basically overestimate the a impact. Your game will have more of the people will wait for your game. But you're totally underestimate the effort you have to put it into the thing in order to Get something out to build something. This is something. I think just can say everybody has to do his experience on his own butts. The other gaming market in general is very crowded. Awesome to the digital space. I think maybe one follow up question before. I hand w far beyond for your answer. How long when did you start to help. For how long are you in the in the market with the wisconsin company. Now i fing. When i remember correctly companies that refocused project very a relatively simple and when i remember correctly restored early. Two thousand seventeen right fabio. Yeah that's what. I would have said as well think year about that. Around so the winter jan january february we came up with the first prototype sinise and more into the into the spring when i was a must Location to spain or was eighteen. I dunno whatever. I think it was seventy. It was definitely seventy and Yeah the spring or a until the summer we got the basic version of the game with take out work than it took a whole year and auto to think in the end of two thousand seventeen We got the Involved and then the next year two thousand eighteen in yes. Some are the concert ready and we could Kind of the Stop the printing in september two thousand eighteen the concert printed and then in february two thousand nineteen the first starter and then we have quite a pace with a heavy one kickstarter every nine months about rahm But yet even with such a focused game and yeah reds simplex perishables. It takes a lot of time. I think you achieved quite a bit in the in this period of time I mean running a kickstarter campaign every every nine months or so is It is challenging. I mean we are not without of the coast. who can Push the magic expansion. All three months. Oh with some supplements in between for small complete like yours. i think This was quite good yet mean We have a very Disciplined and it's autists on i think with ought We couldn't told us peace that pace. It's even that they're breaks in between where we have money. We don't need at an expansion. That's quite nice and bats. Yeah the court system of the game is very strong so Kit is relatively doing you game. Of course Yeah not so much work to do an expansion but yeah we don't know a other companies of two guys doing this in their free time that's do have such a pace of relatively successful I would say. I agree at the quite quite an achievement. So congratulations on that. Thanks so far beyond anything that you would like to share with our fellow game designers alber. Yeah i mean i guess. A lot of various set comes down to the fact that there's a lot more to making a game or getting ready for the potential market than than just the game design part so The thing i wanted to say it's kind of the the more game design version of the same message basically this this quote that A complex system. That works always Evolved from a simple system. That already worked. And you cannot design something complex from scratch that just works and I would say that's really something you should keep in mind if you're doing this Especially if you're doing this small indie trying to make a your own game. Nobody Tells you what to make a what to do. You're really should think about the scope of what you're making and Don't try to like dream too big or of to Make your own version of a triple eight game with an open world and the all kinds of rpg and via log and story and cut scenes and everything just try to focus on a simple core idea or co mechanic that works and then built around that or at least have some clear and Relatively simple to follow designed pillows like we had when we started making a crimson company. I think that was very important that we from the very beginning were pretty pretty focused even when we still simplified the game from iteration twitter ration- but We went into this with a pretty clear idea and Yeah i think that's the most reliable way of getting something that that really works. Just yes starting with strong core and building around that and always keeping your the scoble design in mind. I think we set up some rules from the very beginning. The only characters but i don't remember any the other points this diktat some all those spells and no no especially cards. Just every card is a character was like one of the examples where we just said. Okay we think we can make an interesting game with where they are just characters and why not stick to that that we wanted to do a little bit away from his magic thing with interruption since That we have nita author of how things get resolved and so on. I think this comes back to again to our a previous part of retreating complexity. A little bit and being elegant and by only having one caught type That's actually quite the achievement. Now and Yeah thank you so much for For sharing that incites and your experience with with the entire audience. I would like to give you now the chance to To tell people a little bit about your your upcoming expansion upcoming kickstarter campaign I know that there are a lot of listeners in this podcast of this podcast. That really like the straw and that kind of games and yet you now have the chance to convince them to buy unused product and already convinced me so i will be part of your next i campaign already. So thank you. Yep basically In the next kickstarter campaign We will not only do a cool expansion. It's called wildwood tails you can find Some characters already in block awesome But also we will At this dismal five cats I talked about earlier to that. Where are the characters on. we have the Yeah have no effect and this helps introducing you to the game. Yeah but The big thing we really do in the exotic campaign am is that we pitch our Yup digital version and this is really something cool and unique kiss this digital version already works on android and on that it's the So the guy on the test flight and you can already a check it out and yeah i'll be treatments that re somehow get this Yeah diversion running that we Get a player base. that's that's is big enough to for good men shops and come kind of develop the tournaments Around cruising company because the game really is in Getting you to doing deep decisions very competitively and Playing it against other humans is really awesome. Very interesting and Yeah i think in a perfect world. Yeah this would become the yeah tournament like aim. I don't know about any game That does not require me to Kind of Grant all the time on it to keep up with the competitive scene and on the same time is Yes so based except of course the dresses may be just saw go equally affair and need so much maintains Yeah but of course company. We offer Not more authorioty. Because you can't come. All the games are also not faster. Also that suited for a yeah reading getting into competition mode in a little amount of time when you waiting for a bus to living where you to live some somewhere outside of cities come on sale. You might have to wait ten minutes and the perfect time for playing. Yeah but you know where we live out of this. We barely have internet so that could be a problem. In germany in thailand for example we had internet on the last island the amazing how bad the german mobile internet is yeah. I'm actually quite happy. That i didn't have any disconnects in this very long. Podcast session today. So i'm sorry. But i have one more one more question. I know it's already Quite a long episodes. But that's something that really interesting You mentioned that competitive aspect of your game And that is part of this Dueling aspect that is the one versus one game. But i have some. We're seeing that. Your game also has a two others to mode and even the Freefall all a multiplayer mode. And that's something that i always really struggle with to translate this very good One games into a multiplayer mode. So can you maybe explain in a few in a few sentences how yo multiplayer modes Buck i'm i mean. The tubers to moat is pretty similar to the one word one mode. It's just two parties battling each other. Um what we do there. Is that You basically both teams Take turns After one after the other. So from the i team goes than one from the other team than the second lane from the i team and so on and You you don't Combine your coins in this mode so both players of team still have to kind of keep track of how many coins each individual playoff them has. An how many constant the both players of the other team have and it actually is very interesting because a lot of an additional layer of complexity. basically through this This turn structure because it's very important like who goes next and How many turns from now can this person do something actually and so you can. Of course you can always Both fast of a team can always react to a bit of the other team. But you only get your own bit like every fourth turn basically because you have to wait for the other players to go so it kind of creates this aspect of timing that the was one mode doesn't really have an so that makes its maybe even more interesting and even more complex to play in that moat and yet the freefall mode actually is a bit different. Because you'd like go around the the table and you can play with like up to six players. I think And you have these borders with your neighbors so In that case not all players are like an equal threat to you if you will because you only thing against your immediate left and right neighbor and when you basically went play a losers and trump's out then you can't can merch The boss of the to play us next to him and then create a new border and Yes so it's a bit different. And also the bidding works a bit differently. I don't go into too much detail but this was more of a A longer design process because we really had to change a lot of things. And this by the way it's even more true for the for the solo and co op mode. We also introduced with the the last kickstarter campaign. 'cause worked like they work very differently like you don't have the bidding aspect and it's more about drawing cards and making the best of what you get and Kind of figuring out little combo puzzles that are generated by the deck of characters and Yeah i think it turned out quite well in the end but it's A challenge of course if you the further you go from the original game like one. One is easy to translate into any one party another party mode. But it's not that easy translated into freefall solo mods or something because we didn't really think about this in the beginning at all we would just going for the the perfect dwell game and we didn't care for anything else undefined. Thing is related. That i personally liked the tubers to version much more even than the was one version even the so. We didn't headed ahead of the mind Because it's really really cool phobia explained that you have to See always when we'll play on be able to deploy his cars bought and Which of the. Two opponents of the two members of the team should invest his coins. Now in this car is really cool. And it's also this feeling of doing something together in verse one version. Of course you're always totally alone with your thoughts and the to girls also tried to get into the mind of your partner and not only in the mind of your opponents. that's cool yeah my ultimate. I'm also a big fan of a to was to Implementations of strategy card games of like the the two hundred nine versions of a game And game also works as a to us to play a game Yeah that's That's awesome and i really like How you added these different modes over time With your additional kickstarter campaign. I think this is a very good strategy and Shows your long term vision and strategy for the game Yeah very good approach. So before we really. And this podcast now Please tell the listeners where they can find you a west. What's your website. What are your social media accounts. And how can they Be aware of your next exotic pain. You basically you find us when you crimson company in google. And when you add a point in the year l. i'm Come to all website yet. There has basically everything linked you need and of course your finals in the android store. The kickstarter we already on upcoming portraits That means You can click the button there. All you go to episode and from there you get also to the extent page in. This actually will be cool. Because you'll get a a male wants to start a once and it also helps us invisibility because other kind of tricks. How many notifies game has and the more of course the better edge look slow and it's just one click. I did it right away now. Just five seconds ago cool. Thank you very much. Okay you very much. Dario and fabian for this great interview And also for your time. It's been a one hour and forty minutes now. So i was you all the best for the for the future of crimson company For your kicks campaign and your digital versions. It was a very interesting talk. seem soon. i think you seem to have a great game. There will be interesting. I will tell you after the show. Okay then thank you very much of you and to all listeners. Yeah keep shooting for the moon and nerd like a boss. Goodbye everyone

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The Squishy, Slimey Science Of ASMR

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The Squishy, Slimey Science Of ASMR

"Hey Mattie here hope you're doing all right out there while we're working on some new stuff. Here's an episode. From the early days of the show that you might have missed. I think you'll like it new episode tomorrow. Make sure you subscribe to or follow our show on your podcast. App Of choice in keep washing those pause. Okay onto the show you're listening to shortwave from NPR. Mattie Safai here with our very own shortwave reporter and sometimes host. Emily Kwong greetings. Emily Kwong Mattie. I Emily Lau. Why are we whispering? Today's episode is about. Hey I'm going to get out of whisper. It was scraping me up and explain. Metoo with a quick story from a scientist in the UK named Julia. My name is Julia Dario by my age. I'm thirty one Julia's lecturer at the University of Essex and she still remembers vividly being a little girl and occasionally she would get this very distinct feeling in certain situations really early. Examples would be things like watching. My mom brush her hair or makeup on getting my feet measured for school shoes. A teacher explaining something to me really carefully and Mattie in situations like these she would enter this trance like state of relaxation. Defending itself is a warm tingling sensation that starts at the. The crime of head is like a bubbles onto the scout that that's not where bubbles go and can spread throughout the rest of the body Saddam spine and three the limbs that brain tingling feeling experienced by some people is called. As Amar autonomous sensory Meridian response psycho physiological experience reliably triggered by certain things whispering personal attention. Soft voices a whole host of things so today on the show. Am researcher Julia. Puerto helps us explain the science behind the sensation. And we ask. Does this have anything to do with the slime trend losing across the Internet? I gets coming for you. Matty's Baya okay. So matty yes. Ma'am our tour guide through the world of is Julia Puerto. We're going to hear from her in a bit. She is a real life person who experiences. Asmar Real live one and researches it s Mars not exactly a big field of scientific study and it's only been a thing in public discussion for about a dozen years. That's about win. In two thousand seven people began to find each other and build communities online calling this feeling they had Asmar so these people just like get relief. Zenda out by whispering. There's a whole host of different triggers for different people. It could be whispering soft tapping rustling of paper. There seems to be a visual component to all of this not always things like slow movements delicate hand gestures can induce an. As Amar experience one of the most popular a s M artists on YouTube. That's what the people who make these. As videos on liner called is a darling here. She has quietly touching a little house. Housemate of Legos with her fingernails. Yeah here she is unwrapping a starburst is a starburst and mean unwrapped my personal favorite here. She is counting down slowly in a whisper from one thousand nine ninety these videos Vega millions of views on Youtube six. When you and I hear this we hear it but for some people they feel it. And that's what happens for Julia and those who experience asm art. It's a little bit like music juice chills or orange spot. Chill so sometimes you know if you haven amazing speech like Martin. Luther King's speech. You might get those kind of those goosebumps those shivers up your spine. Which is really kind of complex emotional aesthetic response to some people experience other people diners so this is young woman doing this in. You're like looking at her face and she's really close to the camera. It seems very intimate. Is this like? Is this a sex thing? On to be honest. That was my initial thought to. I don't experience I assume are Julius said based on studies she's done monitoring those who do not the feeling of getting turned on eight. I'll research we of course measured people's heart rates and on average heart rate decrease when people watched a small fires which is exactly the opposite of what you would expect. If it was somehow sexually arousing why but that makes me feel better about it it. Is it something else? So it's not like this sexual feeling what is it like in the brains of people who experience it. What's going on? We don't actually know what is happening. Truly in the brains of people who experience it nor how many people experience it at all the important thing to know here is. There isn't a ton of scientific research on this topic. There is one study though that really interested Julia. It's a two thousand sixteen paper by Canadian researchers that looked at the brains of people who experience Asmar when their brains run a restful state basically not doing anything and they looked at this specific network within the brain. Something called the default mode network which is associated with things like daydreaming in mind wandering and also self-referential thought and what they found was the essentially that they thought that the brain network activity at rest shows that the less able to inhibit sensory emotional responses. Basically they were less able to separate the link between what their senses are picking up and what they're feeling in their bodies sensory emotional experiences weren't as suppressed. Okay that makes sense to me. They experienced their sensors in a different way. Then like I experience my son says or something like that kind of like I said. This is one of many early studies. And what's also interesting is how people are experimenting with new. Asmar triggers on the Internet. Remember the using I mentioned earlier. Yeah I remember that it was unfortunate. I have with me in my hand Something that produces sound and I'm going to introduce it to you. Oh Nice little bit of flare. So what I'm holding in. My hand is slime Flown technically slime with little foam pieces inside to hear that. Yeah I can hear in the last few years. There's been booming videos of people manipulating slime. It'll have color or glitter or charms next into it. People gotten very creative with their slimes fun to play with and it also has a sound not doing it for you know. It's not doing something in. You are shrinking in your seat. I try and get as far away from me as possible. I don't I don't like it. You WanNA play with it. I mean you. Why don't you start one? I brought this in because if you search Hashtag. Mr Instagram right now. Guess how many posts come up. Six seven point six million. Oh my God I in the past not vast majority but a number of them are videos of people. Doing exactly what you're doing right now. Just manipulating slime making these satisfying squishy downs. Are there groups of people who experience an anti are like instead of feeling sued? Right now I feel very unsettled in my belly hurts. That would be called MS phony different episode. We wanted to ask our scientists Julia. If slime is a bona fide trigger for Asmar mean there are parallels. Probably people who experience `small would experience a small watching things like slime videos however one thing I would say is the actually. There's been quite a lot of interlocking between different trends. So s Marin slime and things buying have all kinds of mcbain started in South Korea broadcast people eating food while talking to their audience. With high quality microphones. What a nightmare. The Internet slime and things like Bon of MS piggybacked onto the small trend. So sure what under the sometimes category on the Internet of oddly satisfying. Yeah although hashtag asthma. Because I suspect it is piggybacking on us as kind of Tom to get people to watch videos so when you see a video of someone. Let's say cutting soap or cookie. Someone playing with really pretty slime. That may be oddly satisfying. But if you don't have the brain tangles it's not ASAMARA. That's talking to you at the same time. Julia said that the more Mars linked to things like slime videos. That could change what it means for people on the Internet. She's focused though on the world of science and has a lot of outstanding questions. Why do some people experience it and others? Don't why do some people experience it at a higher intensity than others and also and this is really interesting to me? What is the effect of? Asmar on sleep. So we know anecdotally that people who experience `small use these videos on Youtube to help go to sleep and I guess the question is will y y does is more help you go to sleep and another important question with regards to sleep is does it not only help you get to sleep but it does also improve the quality of your sleep so for some people. This might be like the Modern Day. Version of counting. Sheep Says County. One thousand nine hundred ninety thanks again Julia Berio in the UK and special thanks to Manual Johnston. Npr's Vanessa Castio for their help on this episode. And thank you emily. Reporter for shortwave here at MPR science desk. And sometimes host of shortwave. Thanks for listening to shortwave from. Npr face masks have become the new normal as we continue to grapple with the ongoing pandemic. But when did we start wearing masks for health and safety this week on through the origins of the n? Ninety five mask and how it became the life saving tool it is today through line from NPR. The podcast where we go back in time to understand the present.

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Chauvin trial enters Week 3

5 Things

09:58 min | 2 months ago

Chauvin trial enters Week 3

"Good morning. I'm taylor wilson and this is five things you need to know monday. The twelfth of april twenty twenty one today another minnesota man dead after police incident while say new masters champion and more Year or some of the top headlines. A mother is the main suspect. After three young children were found dead over the weekend in southern california thirty year. Old korea is suspected of killing. Her kids aged three to six months and was involved in a custody dispute with the kids. Father virginia police officer has been fired after video of an incident where he pepper sprayed and forced to the ground. A black and latino military officer army lieutenant. Koran dario filed a suit against police officers joe gutierrez and daniel crocker last month and gutierrez was fired and more people fled their homes on the caribbean island nation of saint vincent on sunday as lawsuit. Free air volcano rumbled for a third day. Ash continues to fall after an eruption last week and there have been reports of widespread power outages. It's week three in the trial of derek chauvin. The former minneapolis police officer faces murder charges in the death of george floyd more medical experts testified last week. Criminal justice correspondent. Tammy abdulah has this recap. We heard from expert witness. Dr martin tabin appearing on behalf of the prosecution. He's practiced for more than forty years and is an expert in the physiology of breathing. He testified that any normal healthy person would have died had experienced. What mr floyd experienced. And they're pushing the handcuffs his back and pushing them high then on the other side. You have the street. So the street is playing a crucial part. Because he's against a hard asphalt three. it's like the left side is in a vice. It's totally being pushed and squeezed in from each side. That was almost to the effect to super surgeon had gone in and remove. The long tobin's expert. Testimony was particularly devastating for the defense's case because he dismissed any prospects of sentinel or methamphetamine or any drugs or his existing health situation being responsible for his death. Mr floyd died from positional which is a fancy way of saying. He died because he had no oxygen left in his body. Another prosecution expert witness dr bill smock an emergency physician with a specialty in forensics said that the officers should have immediately tried to floyd as soon as he stopped responding. This speaks to the concept of duty of care that in minneapolis police department. The motto is in. Your custody is in your care on monday. Jurors will hear more medical testimony by the prosecution. Chauvin is charged with second degree murder third degree murder and second degree manslaughter. In floyd's death you can follow along with live trial updates on usa today dot com as the trial of derek. Chauvin continues following. George floyd's death in minnesota. The family of another minnesota man says he was shot and killed by police on sunday relatives of twenty year. Old dante right told a crowd in brooklyn center minnesota some ten miles north of minneapolis. That right drove a short distance after he was shot and died at the scene following a traffic stop. according to a facebook live video rights. mother said quote. He said they pulled him over because he had air fresheners hanging from his rear view mirror on quote on sunday night about one hundred people gathered at the scene. Where right died. According to the star tribune. The newspaper also reported that protesters pushed past police tape and there was a confrontation where people broke police car. Windshields and police fired non lethal rounds to try to disperse the crowd but is police. Presence fell later in the night. The crowd gathered calmly to light candles and write messages in chalk brooklyn center. Police said in a statement. That officer stopped an individual just before two pm on sunday after determining that the driver had an outstanding warrant. Police said that when they tried to arrest the driver the driver reentered the vehicle. Andrew away an officer fired at the vehicle striking. The driver and police said the vehicle traveled several blocks before hitting another vehicle. President joe biden will meet monday with lawmakers surrounding his infrastructure plan. He'll meet with a bipartisan group of members of congress and senators to talk through his proposed two point three trillion dollar plan that he announced at the end of march bills a affair economy that gives everybody a chance to succeed as can create the strongest most resilient innovative economy in the world that tinker around the edges. It's a once in a generation investment in america. Unlike anything we've seen or done since. We built the interstate highway system and the space race decades ago. The plans budget would be split across transportation quality of life at home caregivers for the elderly and those with disabilities and research development and manufacturing to pay for it biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate to twenty eight percent the white house notes that still below what corporations paid before president donald trump's tax cuts in two thousand seventeen. The administration would like the plan approved by this summer but it may face an uphill battle as it moves through congress. There's a new masters champion and for the first time in history. A japanese male gopher has won a major had equity matsuyama put on the green jacket at dusk and augusta georgia sunday night following a ten under tournament. There was nearly major drama. Wait as his pairings and shafi trailed by just two shots going into the sixteenth hole. But his tee shot landed in the water he suffered a triple. Bogey and the rest was history. Shafi finish tied for third with jordan's beef and in second another one of the weeks. Great storylines twenty four year. Old wills l. a. Taurus finished nine under in his first masters. Just a stroke back of a playoff with matsuyama the champion particularly dominated on par. Fives going eleven under on the sixteen par-five that he played in the tournament on his historic moment. Matsuyama said through an interpreter quote. Hopefully i'll be a pioneer with this. Win and many other japanese will follow. I'm glad to be able to open the floodgates. Hopefully and many more will follow me on quote. Matsuyama win came just days after fellow japanese player. Seventeen year old suba. Koch itani won the augusta national women's amateur. The holy muslim month of ramadan begins on monday. The month features community tradition and celebration along daily fasting families. Gather for an early meal whore and a post sunset meal known as if tar to break their fast together as things begin to reopen in the. Us american muslims will be able to celebrate in ways. They were not last year. Mas jide al salaam. A mosque in dearborn michigan will host in-person service. Though food will be served drive-thru style. Globally there are major restrictions in place in some countries especially in north africa morocco. Tunisia and other countries are imposing a curfew throughout the holiday because ramadan is tied to the lunar calendar. It state changes every year. This time it'll span through. May twelfth culminates with eight al fitr which breaks the fast. Thanks for listening to five things. Be sure to drop us. Five stars on apple podcasts and you can also was in wherever you find your audience. Thanks as always declare thornton and shannon green there on the show. Five things is part of the usa today now Conference tournaments are tipping off. 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 Helen Keller Was the Nazi Guy?? | 2/23/21

Pat Gray Unleashed

1:34:17 hr | 3 months ago

Helen Keller Was the Nazi Guy?? | 2/23/21

"Path grade is here on the please radio network triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at pat unleashed on twitter. The insanity continues and intensifies every single day. It just gets more insane doesn't it. I mean that isn't fun because believe me it is we've got some tweets here. The came in after the show Pat had bras negotiator but coca-cola and their new training to try to get people to be less white. Okay but imagine this. Coca-cola can be less the be less white training done by shaun king now that would be woke at super shaun king. Of course you don't remember is the white guy who was the head of an n. Double acp chapter. And let's not forget to be less white is to be less certain and then Down here also believe so. Don't be certain in your belief ito but believe it's sort of a little bit great point made by saves any for that to us it is. It's great good catch. These people are stupid just stupid. Also it's not gonna be enough to be a vegan apparently anymore because that's not woken up. That's not climate friendly enough it because if you're a white vegan dicey you know obviously that can be a problem. Fail to account for white supremacy and veganism. You get white veganism. We must address the role of white supremacy arsenic crates. No matter if you are vegan or not wiping azam focuses solely on animal liberation while ignoring the context of colonization in imperialism and how all of this impacts all in beings and the planet not all white people begins begins our beginnings it must be intersectional accessible anti-racist anti-imperialist purely on decolonized. I don't even know how to have a conversation with people like that white. Veganism that's bad. I gas well anything white anything right anything. i think. We learned yesterday and allies cream saltine crackers on good. That's that's bad while i mean. The racism has just intensified and just switched races mar. We're not trying to achieve equality we're trying to achieve A situation society where there's no white people or there's white people have nothing to say about anything. White people just have to sit down and shut up white people have to be the slaves. That's i guess that's now the goal because it's being taught everywhere and look at these idiots these vegans. Where are you getting this stuff. It's so bizarre. If you're veganism doesn't address the larger issue of colonialism than it's just not an you might as well be eating meat at that point all right. So it's like they're finding new excuses to be racist That's all the seas that's all this is reverse a hate that reverse racism What we're dealing with to me. Racism is racism. Yes there is no reverse racism. They're just being racist against white people but it's hip. It's if it's fine if you're saying that you're woke if you're saying stuff like yeah. It's not enough to be vegan. You got to be an anti racist and anti colonialist to be an anti-colonialist was in here. Because i didn't meet him amend the wrong meeting. So if i don't fight against like british columbia in canada then i'm i'm not a. I'm not a good vegan. 'cause it's colonialism right there. I love that white. Vegans first the very first clip. The lady what did she say they make it all about Animal liberation to account for white supremacy and veganism. You get white egoism. We must address the role of white supremacy and the person rates no matter no vegan or non white being focuses solely on ener liberation while ignoring the context of colonization imperialism. Shut up the context of colonization and imperialism. She's the gun guy. she's the three d. gun guy. Oh yeah what am i resisting. Colonisation had imperialism. I don't know maybe. I swear the world we're out of words man. Y- we're we're we've we've gone through the dictionary thesaurus. We're done no more words who who's conception under what paired on well i'm just resisting. What am i resisting. Collectivisation manufacturer institutional. I'm not sure i'm not. I can tell you one thing. This is a symbol of reversibility that can never erotic eight. The gun from the white veganism right. I think the greatest thing in that clip is at the end. When you can hear glenn going like yeah what did you say i say. I don't even know what he said. So what i say in response. Oh mercy response could well. I can't argue with that. I just can't was frankly. I have no idea what you just said. All right triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. We're also changing our language now at the border. Of course there's no illegal aliens we know that No human can be illegal. And i guess nobody can be illegally here in this country. They are opening the first migrant facility for children a migrant facility. Okay now they just built a series of migrant facilities for children shelter. Yeah it's almost like a. I don't know a cage. Almost like whoa. Yeah like you're putting kids in cages again. As biden did when he was with the obama administration and then complained about it the whole time during trump. Now he's doing it again. They love putting bars on the windows. Don't they why would you bar those windows. What are you doing with these children. Why have you separated them from their families. Everyone is pointing out the the overnight language among the mainstream media. I no longer kids in cages. It's detention migrant children. That's all it is. It's really hard to believe if you didn't see it every single day all day. Then you probably wouldn't believe but we do see it is true. We are the frog boiling in the water. And it's just the heat gets turned up every day and here. We are what they're doing at. The border is creating a another border crisis and there are some people that are yelling screaming for him to stop Got this young mayor of del. Rio texas who is begging the administration to stop dumping illegal aliens in his community. Mr president my name is john mayor of the city of dario texas and i am pleading and requesting with you to please put a halt to any measures regarding the release of immigrants awaiting court dates into the city and surrounding areas. I thought you'd love to have the resources available to help and accommodate these migrants within our community by the way this guy choice. But the extreme measure under the emergency declaration as the mayor of the city of dario texas to refuse the entry of migrants awaiting court dates into the city of rio if you do send these individuals into our community We will be forced to make decision to leave them without resources. Under these dire circumstances you please stop. Please make another plans with federal issue if you're going to allow these individuals to our community. I respectfully ask that you provide the means and the supplies necessary to accommodate them safely. Under these extreme circumstances due to the crisis we cannot provide these supplies. What we're asking for supplies water perturbation of english electrical power in our community people. Adp has give us an update that urquhot has given the authorization to prioritize. Eagle dario texas We do not have a time stamp is to win. We'll be getting power again and we cannot be going. It'll be empowered. We have been outsourcing dialysis treatments for any persons in our community while catch relocate the elderly who are anita powerhouses. Listen to this. They don't have power. They're having to outsource to other places just so they can get dialysis treatment and meanwhile the federal government is dumping hundreds of people who have nowhere to go who have no means of their own support who are counting on us for their support into the city. Under these circumstances. I mean it's it's a mad house. It's madness curiously. It would be better if taken over. I think apes would make better decisions that the biden administration is making. Is it too late to take him up on that. Offer the yeah like. When does it expire. You wave a flag. not sure. we'll have to look into that though. We're going to circle back to you that one. Let me circle back. Not a semi circle. No this is going to be a full circle. Okay yeah all right. Let's see what else is poor mayor had to say we are completely and utterly spread thin with resources for community With the extreme weather conditions in icy roads where a limited with what we can bring into our community. I'm in constant communication with other border. Mayors who have immediate concerns regarding the migrant population in our communities our nonprofits our churches are running thin with resources to provide to our very own citizens additionally we have been burdened with the inadequate communication systems throughout the entire area. Which has impacted our ability to respond. In coordinate limited resources distribution this administration has taken a firm stance on kobe nineteen protections for americans. I'm asking to ensure the health and safety of all of our tax paying citizens along the border are treated with the same urgent consideration releasing the migrant population without any club in nineteen protection. Protocols is undermining your commitment to the stance again resources utilizing buildings to not only house the needs in the inclement weather but to also warmed off nations of residents. I cannot mixed population with del. Rio residents are extremely vulnerable and displaced due to the extreme weather. That has what haters small town off of your radar community. Fifty thousand people who need your attention. We are requesting that you. Please listen and that you please come through honky. Mr president. good luck with that. Good luck with that. Bruno bruno's background. Where did he come from. Oh really young to be mayor of. Yeah he's definitely yoni five yeah and his bio. He says he was born in the early eighties. I mean can we. Can we not get an exact day. I mean i mean they. Records are sketchy. Understand was born in the fifteen eighty s. Bruno was born in the early fifteenth. Anyway one of the early eighties Background the pages closed. Of course i do remember seeing that. He was a flight attendant at one point. No so that's okay. So what are the only former flight attendant to ever become mayor of a of an american city. That's a great trivia question. Yeah isn't it l. Circle back to you on that again again you. Are you writing notes over there. Yeah i got a note in my head a couple of all right. Let me tell the real estate agents. I trust because if you're trying to sell your home you wanna sell it quickly so that you get the most amount of money and there are so many things to decide when you're selling your house Do we repaint to make it more. Attractive to fit the style. That's going on right now. Like we bought our house in two thousand twelve when we moved here. This everything's changed since then people want completely different look in their house than then when we moved in. So you need a realtor who could advise you on all all these things and whether or not you're going to get your money out of whatever it is you do to update your house. You want somebody with a great track record. You want somebody with a great marketing plan. And these are the people turn to plus. They're all fans of the show. So you're gonna have plenty in common with them whether you're buying or selling or doing both because you're relocating real estate. Agents i trust is where you should go. The name says it all real estate agents. i trust dot com. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at that unleashed on twitter. So things returning to normal in texas as we mentioned Yesterday because it was like seventy three seventy four degrees on sunday. It was nice yesterday. It's supposed to be nice again today. So nice oh but apparently del rio texas can't handle the influx of just a couple of illegal aliens that they have to take care of now. You're to listen to the whining. Right of their mayor. Need come on. I mean this is the richest nation on earth. Thank you pat for. Say i've heard. It is the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. Just take care of him. I don't make these hostage videos. Satellite sounds like you're saying the script like president police in help. Somebody had a sword to his neck is what it sounds. I mean either. You love every human being or you. Don't mr mayor thank you okay. Thank you and merrick garland. Who was nominated at one point to be a supreme court. Justice was funny has Now been nominated to be the attorney general of the united states and here. He is talking about illegal immigration a little bit more about the law enforcement challenges at the border which i know a number of other members abroad up with you just a fundamental question. Do you believe that illegal. Entry at america's borders should remain crime. Well thought about that question. And what a tough question. That is Gonna be the ernie general mamdouh noodle at one out Is illegal immigration crime. What was the name of it again. I feel legal immigration. I haven't thought about that right to taking notes. Let's series answer. Because i'm sure it's powerful. Well i thought about That question I just haven't thought about that question. I think a president clearly a we are a country of with the borders and with the concern about national security. I don't know of the post office. Who really like unique concert. We are a country with borders. And that's a really unusual. I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm glad you brought that up. we are. we're a country with borders. you're right about that nailed it merit. I mean that is actually unusual. At this point we would have borders. Is the mayor of Del rio texas yeah Let's see him wiggle it out. We'll out of this a little bit more made clear that we are a country of With the border said words about national security. I don't know of proposal to decriminalize but still make it unlawful to enter. I just don't know the answer to that question. I haven't thought about it. Will you continue to prosecute unlawful across. Well this is again. A an of resources The department will Bend unlawful Chromosome i don't know i. I just don't know exactly what the conditions are done. I think if. I don't know what the current program even is respect to this survey back then. I assume that the answer would be s. But i know what he. He's not sure because he hasn't thought about it. He's trying to be the attorney. General of the united states of america. Then he's never thought about the question of whether or not illegal aliens are breaking the law. Okay but it's not like he's trying to get the position of of law enforcement the principal legal officer who represents a country or state legal proceedings and gives legal advice to the government. It's not like that's the job he's going for here. get less us butthead. Quite honestly literally that was like was at eighty seconds in half of the things the man uttered was the word well also and I don't want to sell them. Short merrick garland and this was the guy that liberals were like. He's going to be such a great jurist on the supreme court. My goodness i guess. Mitch mcconnell actually did us a favor keeping this guy out of the supreme court but now now now he's going to be the attorney general I haven't thought about that. he doesn't even know. What do you mean you don't know the current process you arrest them. They go to court in theory. Then they're found guilty and your sin back them Okay that's the process merrick Maybe i should put my name in the hat for attorney general Seems like i. I've got more credentials than this guy. Maybe she's learned. Something from felipe. Calderon strongly disagree with you. Recently adopted low low ardizzone and it's a low low a low so he strongly disagrees but when he's questioned about what to do about okay in his country wolf. Blitzer what would you. What do you do in mexico. I mean give us an idea of what brilliant things you do of. Course if somebody sneaks in from nicaragua some other country in central america through the southern border of mexico they wind up in mexico. They can go get a job. They got work. Somebody do that without permission. Within she'll send back then sent back them if they do that with the permissions. We send back them to manila heraldic. You i was. I'm glad you didn't let that go. Because wolf specifically asked if they come from that country right what are you gonna do with them. We send back them to manila. So we should follow philippe as lead and do that here we send back them when they come into our country without permissions my writer or am i right. Am i right or am i right now. We're the only country on earth that we're the only ones were the only ones who are expected to just allow it to anybody who wants to seek in can and then we have to take care of them. We have to make sure that they have a good life outside the shadows. We never make them feel nervous. They don't have to look over their shoulder anymore. Nope you broker lawyer came in where we love that. We love it when people do that. And we do. If you're to listen to joe biden and this administration we do love it. Yeah you know where they love it. They love it up in washington. Dc where they think that there's no effect whatsoever on this country but what ends up happening. You have mayors of your own party making video. Please help us. Do you not see what's happening to our community because stupid anti-american policies. We can't even take care of our own citizens and now you're dumping all kinds of people who are not citizens into the equation and we can't handle it but in dc as you mentioned i mean. They don't understand because they don't need of fortified border in washington. Dc a what you know. They don't have to protect themselves from anybody sneaking across the any sort of lines are boundaries. Do whatever they want. We've got some examples of that. Yeah we that and a while now like there's a offense okay you're taking these pictures out of context or there's a there's another shot of the fence around the capital barbed wire fencing around your us. Capitol this fencing. I mean they've really. They've expanded it. Wait can i. Can i not cross through and then have them take care of me. So they've act absolutely closed off. Is actions live downtown. Dc fencing concrete barriers barbed wire razor wire fences armed guards. I mean this looks worse than what they did after nine eleven. Oh allowed yeah. Yeah no this here is and remember. They left it up. They did it on january sixth right and then there was rumors that are gonna leave it up through the impeachment. Trial make sure is no funny business from trump supporters. And the senate's done the house in the senate are both done with their impeachment part. Do work yeah so. Let's go windy kate. so now. what's the what's your date on. When they're going to take the bar at the end of fault maybe some time at the end fall actually taking down the barriers but they might send the national guard back home at the end of fall. You've heard that y- what yeah they're going to be then maybe Maybe when the biden administration is done you know maybe years from now when they'll finally. Yeah maybe january twentieth two thousand twenty five. That's when you start seeing the concrete barriers and stuff nightmare in the tree and the troops That all screams unity doesn't it. I thought the risk cream got it. That's where i was hearing unity. And i feel so close to them with that. Razor wire atop the fencing. I think this is really incredible. Triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three ninety. Three also at pat unleashed on twitter. Just to give you something even more frightening No me horowitz. He just did. Another one of those Segments where he he goes to a college campus and asks the kids certain questions he was trying to get them to sign a petition. I believe right this a petition to to repeal the united states constitution me so good and he goes to the campus of yale. Oh okay what are the best universities in the world right act so you got to believe that these are smart kids and they're gonna see through this nonsense. Okay you feel. The costumes has any relevance to you at all when you put it like that to answer that question. No okay hami horowitz. And i'm here on the campus of yale. University students are future thought leaders the us constitute the garrett tour of our rights and the foundation of our freedoms or is it tissue to repeal. The constitution of the united states to uncovering forward is to repeal the constitution to repeal the constitution of the united states. get rid of it in its entirety. Get rid of it your mean. That sounds cool. That's neat that's me. That's good to white supremacists contacts. It's kind of a racist document. It is. I feel like it's a white supremacist. Document franchises countries got go with a very white supremacy and very much thinks fed. I agree with that. I see burnt down you at the. I feel the concert has any relevance to you. And all what are like that tainted expedition note has any relevance to you and your life anything in it freedom freedoms yes yarmuk this guy not silent man. Joe thank you. Sixty five percent of everyone. I spoke with sign my petition to get rid of the constitution of the united states. I'd chilly all these people signed is question. I don't know this woman was sitting around all day trying to get people to sign up to vote. She didn't get a single person consideration. Just thankful they no kidding. Wow wow they wouldn't sign up to vote but they would sign a petition to repeal the constitution of the united states. This has been a sobering half hour on the pat gray unleashed program. That's chilling that is It shows though. The indoctrination shows what the education process is doing for these kids ivy league. School Yeah these are the best and the brightest among us so future thought leaders is how he described. Does that mean in the future. They might actually have thought because that was dreadfully depressing yeah sixty-five and see that's the thing you could. You could convince yourself that all you know what i bet. He just got the few people that said that. But at the end he gives you the actual statistic sixty five percent of the people he talked to and i appreciate signed it because he could have absolutely talked to five hundred people and then put the tent up there right that that went along with it. The ten idiots but five percent of those kids believe the constitution of the united states should be repealed. That's a racist document. If he got their address to maybe he could mail them a pocket constitution. Yeah later we'll take a look at. Here's what you wanted to get rid of dummy surprised the freedom you have as a result of it triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three more pat gray unleashed coming up pat gray. He's unleased and he's on. The planes got some comrades new bench tweets because the white veganism and how bad that is yeah. Well what about fasting. Is there white supremacy and fasting. Yeah there's white supremacy in everything they want. They want you to starve to death so it would probably white. That might be okay might go. Yeah yeah if you're fasting last the rest of your life then it's okay. Uh-huh carl smith tweets stand up against white. Veganism edith stake all about that tip over in capsize imagine if instead of He said like it's like you know like well then he'd be alexandria ocasio. Cortez oh yeah. Oh goodness i'm scared. Rationing her as the ag by won't put that past the biden administration. Would you could see them making her A really important part of the cabinet. I can see it happening. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three well this country as we've learned over the last half hour certainly today in the last many years is country so bad. Yeah so evil so racist. Oh that it's just chasing people good people out of it and Stevie wonder because on oprah and here's what he revealed to oprah. If you do the right thing. I'll give you this song. Jimmy besides abbott. This nation. smile again all. I wanna see before. I leave to travel to move to ghana before you move and travel is. I'm do that. you're going to move permanently. You are more. Because i don't wanna see my children's children's children have to say oh please. Lightning please cleaners back being important. You mean right you know. He's so. Right i mean certainly. The united states of america can't compete with the freedom and inclusion of ghana. Right right am i right. I mean there's no ethnic conflict in ghana the ethnic conflicts that have been going on for over four hundred years there but other than that. There's no ethnic conflict in ghana. But it's that's why in ghana stevie wonder's children's children's children's children will be completely worry free. And so i think that's a really good move for him. I can't take it. i can't take. they act. They act like does this. Country have some problems. Of course it's not perfect. Nothing on this earth right now is perfect. Nobody is perfect. No country is perfect. No item is perfect But this is this is a better place even right now than anywhere else on this planet and it's always been that way you go to ghana. I think that's great I i hope you have a great time in ghana. That's fantastic i. I'm sure your lifestyle. There will be far superior to what you can find in the usa. Here's just a quick new search if you look at what's going on in ghana Okay is it perfection. is it like. Yeah ghana's perfect okay. That was one headline ghana. Still perfect ghana chamber of commerce says yet. Come on and visit us because we're still perfect. Wow corporates. electoral violence won't be spared. Culprits of electoral violence won't be spared. All right kinda sounds kinda close to home. Yeah let's see here Five arrested in connection with chieftaincy dispute. Yeah yeah the chief to see disputes. I mean we have so many more chieftaincy disputes in this country. Though than they do in ghana. That's gotta be really nice for him to to only have a few chief chieftaincy disputes Yeah they're dealing with Anti-gay rage ono happening in ghana. But again perfect. A perfect but perfect. I mean it's so perfect it's even perfect or than you can possibly imagine. The that's the impression i guess in the minds of these leftists the everywhere else you go. There's going to be no racism whatsoever. This is the most diverse country in the his st of the world. And we get along pretty damn good considering considering all that is going on. We have mashed all of our lifestyles and our cultures and jammed them all together in one place and it works and were prosperous right all the same time. Amazing and and how does he do. Any research did he. Even google ghana talked or he said. Yeah i'm moving. I don't wanna see. I don't know what it is. He doesn't wanna see what is great grandkids. Or something is children's children's children They're going to have some kind of problem all they're not going to have to actually played again because it was it was fascinating what he said He doesn't want his children's children's children to. I don't know what let's see it. We get a song promises if you do the right thing to do the right thing this song again. Not you wanna see this nation smile again. And i wanna to see before i leave to travel to move to ghana. Is i'm going to do that. You moved permanently to that is by because they were gonna see my children's children's children to say. Oh please like me long. Please let me please respect. You gotta be kidding me. You're supposed stevie wonder's kids have it really bad and this kid's children have it really bad. It's great grandkids. Yeah and wait. You're stevie wonder's children or grandchildren we don't have any respect for you. We don't like you. I wonder how often that happens. But they're not going to get the song for free right. Well if they do the right thing they'll get this for the right thing they'll give it to you. Use new. daniel did a great job of editing. that answer and trying to make stevie wonder seem coherent but even the people themselves had to interrupt his rambling answer there as they made their promo like. If you see the full video the punch logo comes up and stevie wonder is still blam lab. Give it to you fly with a smile. Blad children children ghana Or like Anyway so so so we actually made. That answer seem much more coherent than it actually was. And you're welcome stevie you're welcome all right. Let me take a minute. Tell you about texas superfood. A new sponsor to the show. Do you know the what the top two things people say. They notice when they start using texas superfood they noticed more energy and get better sleep and of course those things go hand in hand actually texas superfood gives you the power of nutritionally dense fruits and vegetables. It's the power of enzymes and probiotics inaction in. It's great for me. Because i don't get the vegetables otherwise i don't eat them You've heard about the enzymes. And the probiotics and i don't know what they are either. But i know that they're important to living a healthy life. Somehow they fit into making your body healthier. 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Yeah it's all it's beautiful. You know this time of year when the chieftaincy disputes. Just start to subside ever so slightly so you have less blood flowing in the streets. It's it's really really nice. Really bet they have something that texas didn't have last week. You know running water. Yeah like i. It wasn't any frozen precipitation. nothing really rarely does it. Get down to five below in. Got it right now in the in the capital of ghana which. I know that you know what it is. Yeah yes yeah. The chemical yeah so in the capital city from akra anyhow. It's ninety degrees right now. Ninety ninety with an overnight low of seventy seven cloudy skies. Oh it's probably summer though gone right. It's probably summer night win. It warmer than here. Yes it is warmer than not snowing sibley warmer than here. Yeah i wonder what the population of accra ghana is now showing. I bet you get a great music studio setup there to their steamy. I'm sure you could assurance just four point. Two million people live there. Wow we should know the capital city of ghana. Yeah i heard that word. I was publicly educated. There you go you just answered your own question county georgia. That's the problem. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three so this is kind of terrifying since we you know we might as well finish off the the hour with even more terrifying for you know. History teacher discussing major events with gen z students. Oh yes make your hair stand up on her nose whatnot. Nazi guy ehlers positive for nazi terror. Okay okay. This is helen. Keller yeah is the nazi guy. Is it just me or should you. Not at least know that it's not a nazi guy. There's a lot going on there. Shit you at least know vat and teacher think that these kids were just illustrating their stupidity so much. He's got his phone on his desk. So you see his face Half of it since it's covered with the basque. But he's taking a big risk doing this. He's probably a substitute teacher. Who's like look. I'm quitting this gig and five minutes. I'm never coming back so record. I guarantee that's what this was but anyway listen to this the began again because this is this is amazing to me how you're not terrassa. Helen keller is a nazi terrorist is a male. Is that what you're telling me right now. Are you thinking of hitler. Hitler hitler nazi indoctrination. She didn't exist but believes that what she was serving girl. Who was if. I say pearl harbor british with did indeed in person. I wow. Now let's revisit something from about an hour ago on the program. Is the offer. A standing offer from the apes take over our planet. I know because it could not be worse than what we're dealing with right now. I think the apes run it better. they do. To quota-free horowitz. Those are our future thought leaders. I help this lower terrifying. Doesn't doesn't do justice to what that was. I mean these again yeah. The future leaders of our nation. Helen keller is that nazi guy. The terrorists are you thinking of. Are you thinking of hitler whose hitler like never heard the name and then the other kid jumps in all smart. Yeah helen keller that's somebody they said existed but didn't really didn't believe she was blind or something wasn't in now d. Day actually is a good rapper name. In retrospect i don't want to dishonor. What happened there but somebody's going to grab that now after seeing that video For sure fotiou zal d day will be rappers name in the year when i say pearl harbor. Is that a bridge No pumpkin it's not making harbor. It's not abridge button. it's not so good. Try though so those kids go on to get accepted at an ivy leagues. Al and then. They're the ones who are telling you. We got to repeal this constitution thing. It sucks doesn't provide you with any freedoms. That's the problem with it. Now i will. I mean horowitz to go to that classroom and ask them hey. Does anybody here know what the constitution is yeah. I think you'd be hard pressed to find an answer. Oh i really do. How many how many of these gen z. Kids know what the constitution is. Have they ever studied it in school. If you're not if you don't study it and then nobody says anything to you at home. Well that's how you're gonna wind up. You're not going to know about it. You're not gonna know the constitution the bill of rights. You're not gonna know who. Helen keller is well right out of the gate. You're going to discount anything that is in the constitution. Because you've already been brainwashed to believe that the people that created it a racist racist haters. You should listen to anything. They say they wrote this. Country make created this country that document to empower them. Blab blab a blast. So you're not even going to get to the point where you care what's in it anyway. It's a happy tuesday right right. Pat happy come on. Pat is happy. I'm donna can't say anything okay so we said everything you can tell you what. Let me tell you. It'll brighten your data words in the english language. Here's what you do okay. You go to at the mike show dot com and you'll listen to my podcast but before you do that you order kelsey cookies. See this you gotta go kick c dot com right. He kept trying. I'm just. I'm trying everything here. Nuts bring him out of his funk. That's good. It's a long way to the well but Pixie cookies they're yummy. Who's your next Interview with okay. Well this this week My very fun buddy. He's hysterical. Thank spencer whose sports guy in asheville north carolina next week is when the janice dri janice dean interviewed drops. Okay where she actually discusses. She answers the question if she's running for governor not she does not. I don't wanna give all the way not definitively. I will say this. You will want to listen to janice dean on march fifth on at the mike showed dot com because justina fox news fox news. Yes because that door is not closed. I will say that Okay and boy if ever. There's a vulnerable governor andrew cuomo. He's in trouble to her. She's the one she's the pit bull that wouldn't let this go because her in laws were effectively murdered by that man in his policies over inlaws died. Yes really sad that story to all right well. That's definitely going to be a good. Listen all right triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three more pat gray unleashed coming up that graze on aaa nine hundred. Thirty three ninety. Three pat unleashed on twitter. Where add cone tweets wonderful. All these young women wanting to repeal the constitution realize the right for women to vote is in there. Yeah but the word freedom isn't right ward. Boulder does not appear the word woman in the us constitution. The word freedom honor. I love the fact that that never happened in real life. I love it and they put it in the movie to make it. She was even more powerful than than she really was. Even accurate not even accurate. 'cause word freedom buried in the buried in the first amendment all the way to the first one though you know that can be from baby. You can drive my cattle car to the town. Got some cattle. I'm driving to been a while. I think to our children's children's children was a moody blues album. Oh indeed it was. Yes absolutely was nineteen sixty nine to our children's children's children. So how many albums did you say. The moody blues have A bunch. I didn't i don't think i set a specific number. Two four eighty nine eighty the moody blues eighty nine albums eighty nine albums. Goodness that's give or take givers. Kick proud mr greybeard tweets me thinks stevie wonder is to build a compound huge walls around it in ghana and the millions of dollars. You won't be able to be taken as taxes on the rich from pew pew. Excuse me did you guys just assume. Helen is a female Well so we got caught right there. Yeah go ahead. Please do not use gender everyone or gender names. Don't assume too much. Helen could easily be a man's name. It don't pigeonhole her. How many helen's do you know who are male. I mean i. I don't even wanna get into it but You know the answer to that. I can tell you i know zero. Helen's who are female. You don't know any no female helen's so there might be something maybe a good point that you know of some right. Helen hunt sure. But i don't know them the question ellen's do you know yeah. I don't. I don't know that i personally know. Helen i know ellen but not a helen but it is close close. Yeah pat head sent a this piece of idiocy to us Walmart notice walmart correction notice. Liar ending january twenty seventh grocery page to page four supercenter. Oh wow that's confusing. So they have two different flyers. Yeah but they screwed up because they had the four four for ten dollars price shown in their flyer for old dutch chips. I don't ads incorrect. It's not for for ten. It's just two for five so they apologized for any inconvenience. That's obviously stupid. It's not four for ten. It's two for five you stupid. You're done whoever wrote. That flyer belongs in the same class with the sit. Helen keller the nazi guy what are already in advertising old dutch chip dutch chips. Yeah it's stale chips from right in the netherlands and that's not a good bargain to fifty and it should be given away and we got some old stale chips for it. All the way from one of the supervisors also spelled wrong in their local spent the british way. Do they do that. Put that up. Why do that in theatre does it rub yeah. They spelled it. A supercenter c. e. n. t. r. e. Yeah i think that's what they do in in britain right so maybe it's walmart i don't know so no okay. No you're gonna give them the benefit that maybe it's a british walmart. No it's the same people that don't realize it four for ten is the same as i. It's worse than keith asteroid. Don't give him the benefit of the center. That's a really good point. Thank you thank you for bringing back to reality. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Oh we gotta get to. I've been meaning to do this since last week. The school board who were on a conference call all the school board members. It thought it was a private little thing. We're just getting together on zoom. We're gonna we're going to bad mouth. The parents maybe take care of some business and so they did it got together zoom call and then they started talking about issues and things and one thing led to another on the other side this letters at the writing and by the way the writing letters about hey how about you let our kids come back to school. Yeah they forget. People are on the other side of that School board member. Yeah okay yeah. He's wonderful school board members who are working so hard for your kids were real community members. We have four have known kids that on these schools have a vested interest in this process. They don't know what the scenes and it's really unfortunate that they want to pick on s. for such victims because they want their baby sitters. Oh my god how insulting is that. They only want their kids back in school so that they have their babysit. I will tell you this. If you're a parent who works and or your parents who both work which is probably what is the case. Most of the time. Oh yes i mean. That is part of the equation. You've got to have him back in school. Because what are you going to do. What are you doing with them the whole time. So yeah but they also want their kids educated. They want them back in school. They want them learning. They don't want them falling behind. And everybody's fallen behind with this online thing it just. It's not the same and take the education out of it. These kids are home alone by themselves. Yeah they need the interaction with their friend. they are losing their minds instead. Kids so many are taking their lives. Mets horrible. it's really a horrible situation. right right. Nail agree of course angry and its finance ages is to get up. I i totally hear that because you totally. Here's it had Because i have my brother had a delivery service. Kunar medical marijuana clientele where parents want their kids in school. Okay so now not only. Do they want their babysitter back but they also want to be home. Smoking dope. kids aren't in school. Okay okay. well now we're now. We're getting to the root of the matter. These parents want their kids in school so they can go back to smoking dope at home without the kids ratting on him. That's all that's all they want. That's great that's awesome when you got your kids at home. Yeah yeah yes marijuana just great. Oh you guys have the meeting. Oh we have the meeting open to the public right now. no. I love hanoch moon. High love it Oh by the way somebody just messaged me. We're we're public is is watching us right now. No but they couldn't record in. You're right i mean we just bad mouth them for not great. I love that. I got to hear that. Okay uh-huh or just after y. You guys have the meeting. Oh we have the meeting open to the public right now. trait and then ensues and by the way over the weekend. They all reside. Yeah i love it. No more babysitters no more babysitters so yeah. That was more than the parents would want to take. I mean to be disparaged like that and and to have that kind of attitude We were just walking around. It was no big deal. well Yeah the parents think it is a big deal if that's how you look at them and their children you look at them that way. That's not the kind of school board. We need so. I think that's great that they were all. They all said bub lie. And hopefully they'll get somebody in there. Who takes the parents a little more seriously. Maybe the whole educational process a little more seriously. triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Mcdonald's said that it will tie executive bonuses now to new goals for diversifying the company and for the first time publicly releasing demographic details of its workforce Good finally. I've been wondering okay. What's the demographic makeup of the employees mcdonalds. 'cause i'm not gonna eat there if it's not exactly accurate if it doesn't represent our society as a whole if it's not seventy three percent white. I don't care how many why unless it's if it's under seventy three percent. I'll be okay with it but it better be a good percentage. A higher percentage than actually exist of blacks hispanics asians pacific islanders and native american. This will affect your your food choice. Yes yes this will decide whether or not i eat big big macs. Wow yeah under the new rules. Ceo chris kozinski stands to lose fifteen percent of approximately two million two hundred fifty thousand dollar annual bonus. That's just as annual bonus. That is a good gig. Well he's a ceo of mcdonald's. I guess you'd expect that giving free fries. Probably yes i bet. They're hot for us to give him the cold stale ones. What i find is that millionaires get a lot of freebies. Despite the fact that they don't really need them. Yeah yeah what is that. Get free dinners. They get free stuff they get free. Merchandise i don't know why they're the ones who can most afford it and they get the most handout. I'm joining antiphon. So if he fails to meet goals to increase the portion of women and blacks hispanics asians and other minorities and senior leadership. He could lose fifty percent of his His annual bonus more organizations are seeking to increase opportunities for black workers. Women and other disenfranchised in underpaid groups after a nationwide reckoning with racism sparked by the killing of george floyd black man by minneapolis. Police it just to remind you of those facts that i'm sure you wouldn't have remembered as activists have called for more. Transparency companies are increasingly reporting demographic data for their workforces and try and tying executive pay to diversification goals coffee seller starbucks in october linked compensation to diversity goals but did not provide details of how those goals would be weighted in performance reviews nor should they have too far as i'm concerned but donald said in july that it would launch initiatives to increase diversity but it had not yet developed exact mechanisms to do that. Apparently now they have okay. So that's good right because now you have companies that are making decisions based on the only on race or gender or gender or sure sexual preference. That's a good way to run a company. It's it's probably the best way to run a company. So you're a ceo and you're like two candidates here in front of me. This individual i think is going to be great for the company. But he's not right skin tone to get me to that percentage. I need for my bonus doing you. Short term hire the person that will get you your bonus or long-term hire the person that'll keep you in the role of ceo. Because you keep making great hires. This is stupid and just wait. It's a matter of time within the decade. that's going to be federal policy. Dance gonna be A government policy right. There would not surprise me at all long before decades over. Yeah well. I was look fast. This is going yeah. We are speeding toward that cement wall at one hundred miles an hour. It's really amazing. All right viral pictures of dogs with blue coats were taken two hundred and thirty miles east of moscow. So that's near a chemical plant which has been used unused since two thousand fifteen. The dogs were seen near the factory which produced plexiglass and hydrocyanic acid before it went bankrupt in twenty fifteen animal experts. Look at that are wondering if Copper sulfate which was stored at the site has caused dogs to turn very interested in the world. Man look at kinda cool though. I mean as long as it's not hurting them. Sure and saying that they're acting normal. They're healthy. They're just blue. And i don't mean i'd really weird just a little tint that is full blown. I'm a blue dog. You know what won't turn your dog blue. What's that But might increase their health rough greens it will give them that little green beard which is cool and that would go really nicely with the blue patially does not so rough greens not gonna turn your dog. They will knightley green weird blue dogs in russia. No okay but it will make him riskier and and allow them to eat their dog food of a lot more passionately than they currently do. He's mine does most dogs like mine. Love this stuff right off. The bat hears stories all the time about picky dogs. Even who literally just wolf this stuff down and absolutely love it when you sprinkle the rough greens on in fact. My dog won't own eat or food without it because it's got all the nutrients that your dog needs. 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Just because he wasn't shivering in the cold here with the rest of us because he his family was called and he said you don't want then let's go someplace warm. How dare you. How dare you not suffer with the rest of us know. We know there's nothing you could have done. Being a us senator in a state where there is nothing for you to do really during this crisis except maybe call and ask for certain things to happen. Apply a little bit of pressure which he did. I think before he left. But how dare you not be here. Shivering in the cold with no power. How dare you yeah. I mean the senate was on recess And we've heard the whole Hey what does it matter. What they do in their private life right So what does it matter. It was his private time. What does it matter what he was doing. I'm telling you the lesson of this is if you can afford it. Take a private jet would've known but he would have no they would. Nobody you think is neighbors would have checked on him now. As long as you're not posting online right here i in. The vaillant are frolicking on the beach and cancun man. It's beautiful here. I'm staying at the ritz. Carlton sure wish you were here. He was lungs are not doing that. Nobody would have even known in. This whole thing wouldn't have happened. It's such nonsense that we're always trying to put out these ridiculous fires that shouldn't have been sparked in the first place boy. There's nothing to it. Sure and nobody's talking about how joe biden is a racist. And how he questioned. The intelligence of mike hispanics. That should be the big story right now right. That's a much bigger story than ted cruz went to cancun when it was cold. Well yeah that's what people do in the winter if they can if they can get away and go someplace warm. That's what people do in the wintertime. The left looks for that distraction on the right that can take the heat off of their guy. Yup and then they they just all of them in tandem jump in they march in lockstep for that narrative. That's what they got with teddy and the biden thing. Where did we have that. We have that video or was it an audio here. We got a lot of people. Don't know how to register not everybody in the kingdom and the hispanic and the african american community particularly in rural areas or core city district. Enersen how tom us know how to get online to determine how to get in line for that cova vaccination at at the walgreens. Okay well he just told you what he thinks you as a minority. He doesn't even think you get online. You've got to be shown by some find. Find a kind hearted white per se personal help and they'll get you online. Okay and you can. I mean they're hard to find. Because i mean white. People just aren't kind hearted but if you do come across one who's willing to get near enough to show you how to get online do that through think advantage of that resource so somebody sent me. It's that you had the army horowitz video today. The college campus saying it's time students want to repeal the constitution. Nothing in there for me. Somebody sent me a old video from. I don't know four or five years ago of army in a black neighborhood in new york city and he's walking around asking them so. Do you have a driver's license. Do you have a state. Id on yeah. We're told that it's hard for you to get one. And he's like you know because that's a stupid argument goal. We we need you know. They can't get an id they ask them at the voting right. And he's asking all of these people all these black people. So where's the twenty fifth. Where's the dmv You go down three bucks on twenty fifth. I mean it's It's a madhouse. The left is constantly questioning the intelligence or capabilities of minorities always so insulting so insulting so racist so racist. I'm angry. I know me too. I'm frustrated and i'm about to pass a kidney stone are you that's right. You're at the emergency room. What time this morning. What time one something to three. Something really watching people vomit near me and people moaning in pain. I was like i'm not getting. I'm going to work when i had the kidney stone was that last year year before I had two of them in fact is blocked. Both my kidneys. That's that was the first time i'd thrown up in thirty five years. Wow thirty five for you. Yeah that's how bad the pain kinda surprised you're sitting right there. Yeah me too to pass trying to commodities a name for it. Once i give birth. I'm going to hell. It's hell on earth. Yeah ooh that's a pain. I don't ever want experience again. Gray unleashed just three weeks. After the weather channel told us to expect a much above average warm february we had our snow pacalypse last week. Expect much above average is going to be a warm winter you know. It's the global warming and the top global warming. Were we're experiencing el nino and so those two factors just gonna way above average warm winter so three weeks to the day when they published this. Yeah it's no pacalypse. Five below zero at keith house just north of dallas texas. I mean that you you gotta be trying to suck that bad and my right seems like it. Yeah i mean there are foreign casts the go out that far uh-huh but but but yet let's let's trust these people who are warning us right to expect one hundred years for all of the science weekly destroy. Our economy in the process can fix their magical futuristic pre predictions. They can't get right three weeks. They kind of are magical aren't they. John kerry warning that the united states has he still doing this. I can he still doing this in. This is just a disproven bald face. Lie it has been debunked by every serious person even global warming scientists. Who are all over the global warming and believe that it's bad and believe that it's catastrophic. None of them are actually saying. We only have nine years to avoid disaster. None of them are the. Ipc isn't saying it. nobody is saying it. And who is the scientists that we talked to a while ago. He wrote that book apocalypse. Never gregory right stone. No not was a rights known as the believer the big global warming guy. he's been like an environmentalist for thirty schellenberg. Yes michael shellenberger each of the agencies that supposedly said these things and ask actually asked him to clarify and in every case they said no we. We didn't say that we didn't say that. I mean it's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. So john kerry is still pushing the lie that were nine years away. He was these. Were remarks at the munich security conference he noted that a group of scientists a group of scientists told us three years ago that we had twelve years. Now stop lying about it. it's despicable it's absolutely despicable around twenty. Thirty is the data which we have to get the world down the right path in order to cap the level of war big at the level of one and a half degrees we. They're trying to cap are warming. Yes you see what happened to us last week. I know i got down to five below. What's good at west. I would've taken one and a half degrees warmer on when it was one i wouldn't take in two and a half i one of yes. Give me two and a half degrees right now. This is one of those. If we didn't take over the economy in two thousand eight. Do what we did. Yeah oh my goodness it would've made the the great depression look like a walk in the park and when this doesn't happen in twenty thirty that's what they'll be saying. Yeah fortunately we took the steps. We needed to take you did. What were the steps. So he's referring to a supposed two thousand eighteen u. n. report which warned the global emissions needed to decrease by forty five percent in order to a one and a half degrees of global warming. But they're not saying anything catastrophic by that they're not saying the world's going to end they're not saying we're going to starve to death. They're not gonna they're not saying the planet's gonna split in half because it's so hot none of that stuff is happening will need to develop not just a number of road map for how will actually make dramatic progress. We need the bake over the next ten years specifically do to get to net zero by no later than two hundred and fifty. I just these people. Were i just really. It's hard to take. I can't take it. it's a religion man. Oh absolutely is their religion absolutely and if you dare challenge their creed their doctrine their holy scripture. Yes that is the green new deal. Yup and in in saint aoc and all of the the the figureheads and riests priestesses of this movement. On john kerry's one of them is one of the worst. I don't know. I don't know he's just. Here's here's where al gore is. Al gore made his millions selling. Yeah and he's out. he's like the could fun. I'm busy May may money on my talk and fell under living here in malibu on the ocean questions were too hard so i'm just I'm having my second shaqra rubbed right now. Boy he's got millions of spend on shopper. Too does hundreds of millions. What did he make on on the on. The uae was You know it was yeah. It was arabia. Somebody bought his Yes stupid network. What was his neck or one of the big oil and remembers the left. Got mad at him go. Why are you selling to an oil-rich nation. That pollutes the. Because i'm really a capitalist okay. Bye-bye i'm checking out now and i'm gonna go and burn lights all night at my tennissee estate. What a good by his channel turned out to be too right. I mean you hear about it all the time. Whatever happened to the al gore network. One thing that was called. I can't even remember called current. Yes so current. Became what fossil fuels tv i. Something became al jazeera. Forget and al jazeera's out of business in the united states care. He doesn't care about. Al jazeera doesn't care about current. Tv's message or what happens to the planet. it's al gore because all he's doing is sitting by the pool sipping he's got his own personal shock releaser who comes over every morning at ten. Am then he's that's how he's his money and he's laughing at everybody. That buys this crap. That was a five hundred million dollar deal. If you remember correctly and i think he made like two hundred million out of it i mean. The guy is a climate billionaire. That's a lot of shocker. Getting released racer is oh my goodness. He's just a flat out. Climate billionaire and i don't and he's so he's made his he's out yeah he doesn't seem to even care anymore now he if he if he truly believed this especially now that they have all the branches of government at their disposal and they've got this green new deal sitting right there if he really believed in this message In this in this creed of his he would be spokesman right now. Oh yeah oh absolutely. They're all a bunch of hypocrites. There's not a one of them who really believe what they say. Because otherwise john kerry wouldn't be taken private jets wherever he goes no better he'd no he's ruining this planet in. He's killing us by doing it. So it's just it's impossible to take him seriously. Just incredible pat had tea party. Trucking sent this to us Here's a fun map. Best and worst places for natural disasters. The worst city in the nation for natural disasters drove dallas tex dallas plano irving busted. Good wow we're the worst place for natural disasters through how i don't house a possible i don't know is that knows tornadoes. Yeah we're in tornado alley This is before the ice storm. We're never given up the whole the number one now. I don't flooding. We don't have earthquakes surprising. To what are we. Is it the disasters right. Yeah yes isn't like the bad drivers keith. Right around here. Listen to this okay. So i would think houston is way above dallas because the hurricane problems true dallas. Plano is number one number. Two jonesboro arkansas. What again. I guess that's for nato's don't know what corpus christi now you got hurricanes there and houston both make sense at three and four houston is a disaster. Yeah so's beaumont and so those are three four hundred five then got shreveport louisiana austin texas. What happens in austin weird. I know and then birmingham alabama. They're all in the south for for disasters. It's weird really weird. Like earthquakes are happening in birmingham now. And here's the metro. Area is at the lowest risk. The country for disasters corvallis oregon mount vernon washington Bellingham washington one match in watch wash- washington okay. Then you've got grand junction colorado spokane washington salem oregon and seattle washington. Washington state is pretty darn safe k. But then you can happen. They're ridiculous government yes right so which is an unnatural disaster joy that trade off. I can't think of what. Yeah that's makes dallas so high risk except for tornadoes and we haven't had significant ones that since we've been here really having Yeah well yeah maybe one. We had one hit in dallas. Remember that yeah kind of year to And then a couple. I think of a few been many tornadoes. There must be that must be just the tornadoes. We did have some earthquakes fun. Those run tourney earthquakes three point five on the richter scale. Yeah it's fun then. That's one of those where you can be like. Yes robin earthquake. Oh as long as nothing falls on your rate and you still have the roof over it Then you're okay. Then they're kind of fun you know. I got to thinking as you said that. When i experienced those earthquakes here in irving texas. I was before this room because this used to be where i said that was before there were lights hanging from the ceiling in here. Oh yeah and now that you say it like that yeah. I was in the big studio a three thirty or four one morning when it just started rumbling and shaking wall this is not a good place to be with like three hundred lights above my head when they're big heavy ones. Yeah jeff again early today. That's what i thought immediately jesse's already here. He's paying someone else no there but it turned out to be a three point. Five earthquake which are easily confused. Yes between the two experience tonight between jeffey arriving at three point five richter scale earthquake. Funnier when he's here to say that enough to repeat it to what we'll do that for sure. Yeah for sure. All right triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. I love this because Scientists are now suggesting that we eat human flesh to fight climate change. That's interesting because it was about fifteen years ago. When ted turner said climate change is so bad that will turn to cannibals in the future. Remember that if they do so cannibalism was a bad thing. Then but now it's a good thing that prevents what exactly Ted turner was warning about just the far left just has toria fruit eating human for cannibalism. They're going to get there one way or the other. They're the culture of death. They've they've got a weird thing for all forms of death. Swedish scientists speaking it stockholm summit last week offered an unusual possible tactic and combating climate change. And that's eating human flesh some talking points at the seminar included whether humans were too selfish to live sustainably and if cannibalism is the solution to food sustainability in the future when asked during an interview after his talk if he personally would try human flesh said he's open to the idea over twitter. You know what. I'm not so i'm just going to rule it out right now. Don't even ask me. I'm not gonna do again. I'd like to revisit the weather last week in dallas texas Where you get to five below zero. So the trade off. Is we eat human beings or we risk not following the five degrees below zero. Warm it up. Then if that means. I don't have to eat humans Did you ever. You've been doing talk radio for a long time and did you ever at any point. Imagine yourself sitting in the host chair like this reading the stories playing the videos the headlines of what we're living through right now and you think to yourself you don't want to risk but you think it can't get any weirdness i mean. Do you remember the main concerns in two thousand one when we were doing this twenty years ago in houston the main concerns were well terrorism which was pretty big but it was something we were all together on so it felt different. It felt like okay. We're united in this. Were we've got a common enemy and we have a common goal to stop that stuff but we have disintegrated to the point where just total lunacy now just total lunacy and we're not together by any stretch of the imagination anything anything. We're speaking completely different languages. Yeah to the point where he got people talking about. Cannibalism solution to climate change. I mean it's asinine you got be less white and you've got You can be a vegan but if you are against colonialism what what are you talking about. Don't forget imperialism. Colonialism and imperialism so being vegan is not enough. You have to combine that with some sort of extremist weird thing. That's not even really happening anymore. When was the last time anybody was doing anything colonial. Is that even going. Is that a thing still. Who's icing anymore anybody's going anywhere since the early eighteen hundreds. When was the last time well. Somebody took a colony for themselves. Everybody's been given back the colonies. That's what's been happening over the last hundred years. I'm just. I'm trying to think here you know kind of suspect the way The way the spanish american war happen. But since then we've been pretty respectable of boundaries right Every time we fight a war we leave. Well it's yet to happen completely incorrect afghantistan. But it's still right right. Okay so well in korea and germany but other than that right right japan but other ocean view example. Very very set. You can't call that colonialism. Because we're not. We're not their government. We allow them self rule even though we have troops there we allow himself self rule which is pretty amazing. Yeah frankly who else does that. Nobody nobody who was it that said the only the only territory we ask after we save your ass is just enough room to bury our dead. Who was it that said that after world war two. I mean it's so true. Triple triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three ninety three also at pat unleashed on twitter by the way speaking of the global warming that we had here last week. We're down to five below in certain parts of texas. The damages tied to the life threatening crisis caused by that storm. Looks like it's gonna cost fifty billion dollars. Wow that would be one of the most expensive storms of time. We're gonna hang onto that number. One spot aren't yeah. Looks like the estimate provided earlier this week by accuweather. Ceo joel meyers counts for lost wages. Damages to businesses and homes and clean up across the region meteorologist. Jonathan porter said that the estimate denotes the historic magnitude. And just how. Much of a life threatening crisis this has been for people in the southern plains the southeast and especially texas it. It's yet another setback for businesses. that don't need it in a very challenging year. Boy that's for sure. Triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three ninety three also at pat unleashed on twitter. Let me tell you about. Bill barr if you enjoy a snack between meals. You get hungry at work. You just want to eat better. Bill is such a great way to go because every one of these bill bars has only one hundred ten to one hundred sixty calories but they have sixteen to twenty grams of protein and they're delicious taste just like candy bar. There's not a bad bill. Burr really isn't i. 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It's got to be two years ago. three a year and a half ago member because it was it was holiday the fathers day or father's day in june of he'll he'll be twenty seven you little known first of all first of all to the delay here and doing that in out of spite. He's not gonna tell me. First of all with june twenty nineteen. That's i that's my guess. Okay well yeah. That's you know that's a long time ago frankly Twenty nineteen i mean. How old were you in. Twenty nineteen little tornadoes. Where i think. I was just getting out of high school in twenty nine thousand nine. You think you were exhausted. You think if. I remember right so i may not remember that exactly right. You were class of nineteen nineteen. Yeah you're a young buck. Yeah rose through the ranks quickly. You sure did my word waiting jeffey to respond and like first of all. I think he's first of all. Tell me now i love. This story. the mars rover. Did you see that they're recording. Sounds now yes yes yes yes so you can actually here s what mars sounds like. Okay now you gotta listen carefully because it was recorded really low. Oh wow and i had to turn it way up. No but here's the first sounds ever recorded on the martian surface. Sounds like a scream. you heard. Yeah what's sure what's going on there. Wow that sounds like it's arnold and his girlfriend still. Struggling debris got sucked out onto the martian surface now. The martian rover picked it out.

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