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What Happens to Uber After Its IPO?

Gadget Lab Podcast

47:02 min | 1 year ago

What Happens to Uber After Its IPO?

"Hello everyone. I am Michael oria. And you are listening to the gadget lab a podcast about the gadgets, apps and services that you need to know about and how they impact our lies. I am joined as always by my co host REO Pardue slow and Lauren. Good. Hello. And today, we'll also be joined by wired writer Marshall, who is going to tell us all about what's happening in the wild west of transportation. Party. Yes. And a little bit of housekeeping. It's going to be a wired sponsored party. But we hope it's fun regardless. Kind of like when you go to a party and enjoy all the free food and booze. And then afterwards you're thinking that was sponsored. Yeah. So the gadget lab will now be running ads. Both for other great podcasts from our sibling websites like Vanity Fair and for products beyond the wired universe at breaks in the middle of the show at the beginning of the show from now on into perpetuity. Something else you might notice if your subscribers that there will be a preview podcast popping up this week in your lab feed. It's a preview episode of new game of thrones podcast. It's called citadel dropouts. And it's hosted buyer for Laura Hudson and Spencer Ackerman both wired alums who are now at the Daily Beast. The podcast is being distributed by wired, and it's awesome. And if you're thrones fan, you are definitely gonna wanna listen the new season game of thrones starts on. Sunday for fourteenth on HBO. And a new episode of citadel dropouts will arrive shortly after each week's game of thrones episode airs, Laura rights, our recaps for game of thrones on wired, she'll be doing that. So if you're big thrones fan, you should be a big Laura Hudson fan, and you should listen to the citadel dropouts podcast and read lors recaps on where dot com after every game of thrones episode. Can I tell you an amazing game of thrones theory that I heard this week? Okay. Yes. Somebody told me that game of thrones is an allegory for climate change. And that as you're watching these geopolitical squabbles of people fighting for power and west rose there are knowing the much greater threat, which is the fact that there's like this geological ice age coming for them, all and they're all gonna die unless they band together to save the climate of kingdom. So that means that like, the bees and the dragons are metaphors for what? Greenhouse gases. Plus vol definitely was able I think to me. Anyway, I can't wait to listen to Senator dropouts can what season premiere it's going to be great. Yes. To any game of thrones parties. No, no, nothing. Here are you hosting? No. Like, the sopranos that was sort of a party because like you would go over and somebody would make a big meal and everybody would watch the episode, and you know, that was a long time ago. I kind of feel like a lot is changed about social watching of television. Now, everybody's on Twitter. That's true. And or they're magically pet sets. Weird face, computer. But it's time shift to down to like people watch it whenever the hell. They want trails appointment television anymore zero very true. Okay. Forget I asked I may just be saying I never get invited to any game of thrones parties. I, you know, I just let's change the topic. Okay. Well, let's get started on the news before before we bring Arianna onto talk about who. They're I'll get started. There's some big news in the universe. This week. Astronomers have captured the first photo of a black hole, which has exploded the collective mines on the internet. And off the internet is pretty citing the photo, which you've surely seen floating around social media looks like this kind of blurry red eyeball actually looking at is a galaxy called Messier eighty seven. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right like he's. Does anyone think maybe Messia, but I don't I don't know. Well, it is a galaxy. Some fifty five million light years from earth. And the reddish part of the photo is a ring of late and the dark circle in the middle of pupil of the eyeball is the black hole. So chic a setback for a second. For those of you who are not super well-versed in here black hole knowledge of black hole. His region in space where the gravitational field is super super intense. So nothing including light can escape it. So it's not like an empty piece of space. It's actually space where there's so much matter packed in very very tightly that it appears like a black abyss. So it's extremely mysterious profound concept, and it's actually been very difficult to prove the existence of a black hole. So Einstein famously comes up with his idea. Can't like look into space and say there's one because light cannot escape it. So the photo circulating this week is really cool and important not just because it proves the existence of black holes or firms this theory that came up with, but it also shows something about this technological moment. We're the photo took so much work to pull off it's eight telescopes that are positioned on five different continents collecting, all of this data that send being synthesized or a supercomputer like all these algorithms and all these researchers to produce this one singular photo that I think people on Twitter have been pointing out is like kind of blurry. Like a photo. The internet reaction per usual has been the best and the worst. Your black hole. Fourth of July fireworks photos, and then we'll talk. Right now, there are the means to where people are actually using it as the pupil to someone's. I, you know, the zoom in sort of thing where it's you. If there was an audible reaction, it would be done done done. And then you end on the black hole people. It's infinitely Mable. I saw great tweet which read to you by Andrea long, Chico who wrote ladies if he doesn't tax back takes up all your energy used to be a star doesn't like having his picture taken is six point five million times, the mass of his son. He's not your man. He's a black hole. Yeah. A little distant lately. So I really that. But so I have a question that may be a dumb question. But when this type of photo is assembled captured is there actually a moment where somebody presses a button, and then it's captured or is there all this data this continuous data. That's being pulled in and then it's it's a symbol d- into a cohesive picture. How does that work? Yes. It's it's a crap ton of data to technical term. So there's these these different telescopes that are review telescopes very sophisticated which are all looking at the same part of the universe. Same time from different continents, and they're taking captures of the hat space. And then that data is basically being synthesized run through the supercomputers to compress. It. I read one quote that the data was the equivalent to five thousand Yay. Years of MP3. files. Wow. That they're then compressing analyzing sorting through to to get this. One blurry photo one creed of them. Feels I imagine that's about how tedious it was listening to one creed. Is about the level of tedium. These researchers had to endure. So it's nice that there's a researcher sitting there looking at all of the feeds coming from these satellites and then saying, that's it. That's the moment. Like, let's get it. It's actually it's to your point synthesized and later compiled into. Wow, man, you know, forget triple Len smartphone cameras could lured. This is remarkable. This is actually when I read wires article about this yesterday by Sophia Chen on our website, which everybody should read it, actually, blew my mind. Like a couple of paragraphs had to go back and reread. And I was like what like with what is happening. This is so incredible. It's really cool and yet people on Twitter exploring. So blurry, I really hope that when we see new iphones new pixels all of that jazz later this year. We get some black hole memes in there, you know, when when we're talking about the pixel fours revolutionary camera. Hope this comes back. We'll take a picture Blackwell. Absolutely. All right. Well in not so encouraging news, Alexis listening to you. Okay. Some people may have known or Sumed that Amazon's Alexa, needed a little bit of help from her human friends order to get better over time, and that other virtual assistance work that way too. But some people might not some people might have thought that those audio bites were totally and completely private that on Wednesday. Bloomberg published a story about the workers employed by Amazon who actually listened to Alexa queries and help categorize them or flag them. So that the service can get better can get better over time story says that there are thousands of people around the world who listen to voice recordings and transcribe annotate feed them back into the system, and in some cases can get a little bit disturbing because those human contractors may even here alarming soundbites from people like what appears to be a crime or sexual assaults. Although Cording to the report the workers have been told it's not really. Amazon's job to interfere in those. But I think for a lot of people the story has been slightly alarming because it just presents the reality that there are human beings working at these tech companies and working on these products who in order to improve them are listening to what you're saying. When you use the word, and I'm going to apologize. Anybody who has the speaker right now? And every time I'm saying Lexa, it's probably triggering something. When you use the week word at that moment, you're effectively granting the system, you know, access to your voice recording. If you actually go into your Amazon, Alexa app on your mobile phone. You can go back and listen to your own previously recorded little snippets or queries. But it turns out they're human beings on the other end. You know, listen to these to Amazon also says that it takes great steps to insure the privacy of the people who are making these queries. Your identity is stripped from the little sound bytes. So that people won't know who you are. But it's still a little bit unerring and lily Newman from our team at wired is actually working on a story about this right now. So by the time you hear this podcast. It's probably up on wire. Words website. But yeah, what did you make of this? When this story published I think, it's a good reminder, just a very high level. It's a good reminder that all of these things we think of as artificial intelligence are at least in some way, powered by humans. Right. Like, none of these things are operating on their own inside lows as intelligent machines. Like, they're always humans behind the scenes, and unfortunately, the humans are the ones who often get saddled with the moral blame when something like a crime occurs. And no one reports say, right? So that I think is like an issue that we don't talk about enough when we talk about if the intelligent devices that people put in their homes and interact with all the time. But yeah, I think I don't know. My reaction was like, of course, of course, there are people like Alexei that's mart. I think you know, there's there's misrepresentation in the industry about how powerful is. And you know, they make it seem like it can do absolutely everything. And they, you know, they don't try at all to dispel that perception when they talk about these things and by the big companies that have these, you know, supposedly AI driven systems Siri, Google assistant. Alexa, Cortana expe- can never go. Always always forget about the expe-. There is. There's a wall there that they can't get over. And they have to get over it in order for this to seem useful to people. So they just give it a little push over the wall. And that makes us emus 'full. And honestly like I think it's probably okay that they do that. They just have not been transparent about it. Yeah. It's it has not been explicit in their marketing. Not in all cases, sixty of their privacy, the white paper that's buried somewhere. Yeah. I think that the presents an interesting dynamic where every time that the conversation about a I turns to let's say automation, replacing human workers for certain jobs in certain sectors. There's a lot of alarm about that about the idea of AI becoming so powerful that it could potentially supplant human workers. And then when it comes to a story like this. The concern is actually the opposite. Which is that it is human workers who are still doing these jobs. It's just that. We don't want other human beings. Listening to the private conversations that we're having what we assumed to be private in our in our homes, so so people's comfort levels or being pushed in all kinds of different directions when it comes to these virtual assistance that are powered by artificial intelligence. And as only really I don't see any real resolution to that in the near future. I think that the stakes are only gonna get higher not to sound ominous. But that's my take quite all, right. Do you want? Some more ominous news L until you would happen with Facebook this week wouldn't be a week on the gadget. Pretended. Tell you what happened in this is actually kind of important, and it's probably a good step forward for Facebook. But of course, we'll have to see how it goes Facebook had a media event on Wednesday of this week. And the company says it's going to start rolling out some new processes that it hopes will stem the spread of fake news on the platform. The biggest change is something that's coming to the news feed. And it's called click gap and click gap is pretty interesting. I think because if you look at the way that sites are ranked by search engines, it sort of works like that. So what Facebook does is it looks at let's say you wanna post a news article? And it looks at how that news website is perceived outside of Facebook on the the real internet. So is it a reputable new source that people are linking to is that something that a lot of people are talking about is at one that you see often that has a good reputation as far. As you know, juice on the internet is then they give it a good sorry. And then they they look at that same story this posted on Facebook. And they see engagement on it. They know that that engagement is probably good engagement because it's a good story. So if somebody posts a story on Facebook, and it has a lot of engagement, but then they look at that, news outlet, and that story on the broader internet, and they see that it does not have a lot of engagement on the broader internet, meaning that it's a a smaller news organization. It's a news organization. That's not as popular. It's not as it's not referenced by other media outlets, then they can sort of ascertain that that particular news outlet may not be as reputable just because if it's getting traction on Facebook, it means that you know, you can get charged on Facebook by saying something instant incendiary or things of is blatantly, not true. Whereas that's a lot harder to get traction doing that sort of thing on on the the larger internet, so. They call that the click gap. So if there is a substantial click gap, then that story is not given as much traction on Facebook. And if it's a smaller click gap than they can ascertain that it's probably more reputable story, and will it will continue to spread on Facebook like normal. So that's interesting. It's basically a way of spotting fake news and news that is really only out there just to get people to share it. So that the publication can collect Adra new, which of course, something that Facebook has tried to get away from ever since they ruined the election three years ago. There's changes to Facebook is going to start downgrading groups that share a lot of links from those more suspect website. So if you're in a group and a lot of stuff is being shared with high click gap than they're going to start making your group more difficult to find when people are searching, and there's mother controls too. But that's the only when they were really explicit about the last thing that they talked about is that there. To make it more clear to people on Facebook messenger that they're receiving something that was forwarded to them. This is sort of in response to something that happened last year where WhatsApp was being used as spread misinformation in India in particular. So they made it more explicit in what's up some use forwarding something to you? So they make that more explicit now in messenger. So that sort of bleeding that that little tweak is leading across the other the other platforms, basically to identify groups that are sharing lots of suspect links links from suspect by pledge of actually going to identify that or flagging someway to rather than just demoted the group because I imagine that some people will still be able to find or search for Kroupa bubble up in their feet. But the how are they going to know that it's I don't know potentially harmful in some way. I'm not sure, but the way these groups gain influence is through the through volume, you know, so as more. People find them in more people join them, then they become more influential. So by making it more difficult for people to find them and making it more difficult people to join them. It makes them more difficult to become influential and a lot of these private. So there's abuse happening on these groups the only way that you can catch it as if people report it or if Facebook's auto abuse algorithms serve detected. So there's already problems of groups that they're aiming to solve. And I think this is just sort of another layer on top of that. Just when you thought we are going to get by an entire week without talking about Facebook in the podcast. I was thinking we have like black holes to talk about incredible is the original black hole. I just wanted to say that like, it seems I mean, it's always encouraging to some degree when you see Facebook trying to take responsibility for what's going on the platform and China introduces initiatives, but but this one likes so many of the ones they've introduced in the past year feels like so convoluted to me at least, you know, it's like trying to pull all these various levers to decide what is more, trustworthy, and what is harmful and what's fake into like reduce the spread of these things. But in in the most actually you could possibly do. So. I mean, I just sort of skeptical as always this really makes a big impact. I mean, I think the click out thing is probably going to make a pretty big impact. If it works as designed, which as we've seen we've seen most of the things Facebook puts out there are used for purposes. Facebook could never have imagined. The click thing would would probably work to keep the shadiest websites from getting passed around as much as they are on Facebook, the ones that are kind of in the middle. Who knows you know? So I think that's it's a step right in the right direction. But it's kind of interesting to the timing because Facebook was just on Capitol Hill last week talking about what happened when somebody in New Zealand live broadcast of mass murder of fifty people in crime on Facebook. And also they have a developer conference coming up in just a couple of weeks f eight is coming up at the end of April. And there will no doubt be. A lot of talk about how these changes are going to developers who are working on apps for Facebook platform. So, you know, there's a there's always a lot going on with this company. But there's a particular in particular luck going on right now, the larger view of this also is next year's election year. And now that the the sort of secret formula for gaming Facebook is out and in the wild. It's probably going to be more prevalent. So I think it's good that they're taking these steps now to tamp down fake news. But. You know, we keep saying let's see what happens kind of scary. Anyway, that's it for the news this week. Why don't we just take a break? And then bring on Arjan sounds great. Great. If you live in a City New order food a lot then you know, that sometimes it can be a challenge to get exactly what you want whenever you want. It. Like, maybe you want a bottle of wine at five o'clock in the morning or sushi at midnight. 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For one hundred dollars of free delivery credit for your first seven days when you download the post mates app. Get anything you need. Anytime you need it. Download post mates and save with the code gadget. Well, as you're taping this podcast on Thursday afternoon. Uber has filed to go public. And so we asked our end Marshall a staff writer at wired who covers the transportation industry covers quite well if she can step away from her desk for a few moments to join us, even though she is filing at this moment. Thank you. This is live journalism and happening right now think you so much for joining us. What do we know so far from the one? Oh, man. So I'm still an S one. If you haven't had the pleasure of reading through one is very long like three hundred pages. So I'm I'm still kind of slowly reading through it. I wouldn't say they're a ton of surprises here. I think we've known for a while that Uber is making a lot of money. It's making it made over eleven billion dollars last year. It's also losing a lot of money last year. It lost about three billion dollars which actually less money than it lost the year before. So it's improving there though, that's a lot of money to set on fire. If you ask me. But it's also it's I think another big takeaway for me is just that this is an incredibly ambitious company of you think of Uber. And you think of a ride hail of the driver who comes to the curb and picks you up after a night at the bar. That's not quite what Uber is anymore. It's also all about delivery Uber eats in this filing. It believes is the biggest delivery. Service outside of China. It's Uber freight, which is it's technology for trucking brokers, and it's self driving cars, it's working on flying taxis. It's a huge sprawling and complex company that faces some challenges in the future. But it's it's really interesting and rewarding as someone who's been following ride hill for some years now to actually see some some official stats on paper. So still going through it. But there's some there's some interesting kind of fun nuggets in here. Speaking of those challenges, what are the risk factors that Uber has identified going forward? They've identified a bunch of them. I think one of the things that that comes up. I in this filing essentially says there is still a chance we may never be profitable. Which seems big Uber believes that in order to make money. It has to continue to invest a ton in lots of new things that includes finding new riders new drivers new restaurants to to partner with new shippers. It needs to also create incentives and discounts promotions for all those people. So it's basically telling potential investors. Hey in order to make money in the long term. We're going to have to spend a ton of money up front, and we really really hope that we can't promise you that. There is light at the end of that tunnel in the form of some mountain of cash that we will eventually be able to return to you are shareholders. So it seems to be like they're outlining along path for people who aren't shareholders have no interest or plans to invest in the company. What is what is over going public mean? Like, if I'm just a person who has the app on my phone, Hugh. Use it all the time. What is what is this change going to mean for me? I don't think it's going to affect your life. Immediately accept that accompany being on the public market means it's can sometimes be more responsive to kind of the public image of what a company is. You know, if Ford for example comes out that they were doing something horrible, you're gonna see their stock price tank. So in theory, there might be a little more accountability there, but I wouldn't expect. I don't know your Uber drivers gonna show up in like a gold plated car because. But I do wonder if that means the company starts to take more short-term risks in, you know, maybe episodes or focused on products that are going to offer a return more quickly than making long-term investments and things that I don't know couldn't a long term benefit the consumer more. And especially now that we have lifts financials. Well, so these are two directly competing companies that can now look at each other's. You know, it's like they can see each other with their clothes off every every quarter. And I see you. So I know what you're doing. And this is how we're going to. We're going to make a decision now. That's maybe a little more based on the bottom line. I mean, I think that's always the potential when you've got somebody who's got to answer to share shareholders. Now four times a year. And speaking of lift I mean, I think it goes without saying that this is kind of a big year for right HALE in general, not just because of Uber's IPO because lift is is also going public are there big differences in their strategies there or has. Has there been anything? That's come to light in terms of how they're differentiating while going through this transition at the same time. Yeah. I think the big story for lift has been that there was a year or so there are when it didn't necessarily look like they were going to survive, and what Hoover folks would tell you quietly as they they wanted to monopoly. They want to own ride HALE and they saw their path to profit profitability as a monopoly over ride HALE. And clearly that's not going to happen in a bunch of markets 'cause lift is thing, and it's still much smaller than Uber. So over made eleven billion dollars last year and by made I mean, that's what they brought in revenue and lift brought in two point two billion. So it's still much smaller than Uber. But it's growing faster than Uber. And as these. The company's fight for market share out in public. There's a possibility could see some more discounts. But what analysts will also tell you that? There may be a time when there's some kind of stasis in the market, and then fares are going to go up. What do you think going public is going to impact you think that's going to have on their labor relations problem? I I don't know if it's going to have any direct impact on its labor relations problem, but I do know that it's something when in these sorts of filings, they they lay out their risk factors. And that's the things that could cause them trouble in the years ahead, and they lay out that as a very serious one. I think the labor organizing among attackers generally and among drivers for these apps, specifically, it's growing there's some momentum there, and there's also some momentum in the courts where drivers are pushing for Uber lift some drivers, I should note not all are pushing for lift to reclassify wrote. Whether they're independent, contractors or employees. Louise Lubar says in this filing, which I think is something we've heard before that it believes sixty thousand drivers have entered into arbitration with them or have expressed their interest in entering into arbitration with them over specifically, employees mis classification, that's a lot of money that Uber may have to spend down the line. It's less expensive than if they were entering into a court case these people which they have arbitration agreements to begin with. But even so I think there's a lot of conflict ahead for Uber. And remember it's fighting these battles on a jurisdiction by jurisdiction basis. It's doing everything it can in specific US states. But it also has to deal with London, and it also has to deal with various European countries. And they all have different approaches to labor law and an. Employees law. So it'll be interesting. Where's Travis calendar? All of this. Oh, he's looking at islands deciding which one he wants to buy you can get to it before Garrett camp does. S eight percent of the company something according to the filing with SEC Travis specifically owns eight point six percent of shares before offering and he right now has his own company that does real estate who knows what he's doing. Please call Travis beloved from u very interested in what you're up to today. But I think very purposely. He's also hasn't made any comments to the media because I think he Newburgh have sort of mutually separated at this point, though, he's you know, he stands to gain some money here. So good for him. Eight percent is is nothing to sneeze at. But also, this is, you know, besides being sort of big business moment into branding moment for Uber to say, we're growing up we've grown up that guy. By that you remember us for has nothing to do with the company except for that. He's gonna stand to make a lot of money off of it now and forevermore. But at the moment for them to say, like, we're we're very different company now, and I think. Filing to go public is is as much a public image thing as it is a business thing. Yeah. And one thing that's sort of funny about these SEC filings. This you see companies like Uber saying thinks like we had a real they say this more official anguish them. I'm about to say, but we had a really tough twenty seventeen because there were a lot of, you know, sexual harassment stories in the media about us, and that's sort of a liability growing going forward if something like that happens again because they legally have to tell investors about that. So yes, they they want to they want people to think they are adults their new ish CO DARA Khosro Shahi his constantly trying to represent himself as the adult in the room. He is a family man who still spends a lot of his time with his actual family and Washington state. He's not like San Francisco tech, bro. At least that's not how he wants to be thought of. And so yes, they'll they'll tell you. They're still a company in the midst of a big transition. I guess it's we'll see whether that's the case another thing. That's in this filing assay. They're gonna put out a transparency report this year about data on harassment allegations within the company, which is really interesting. So we'll see we'll see what sort of data. They actually come up with their is at the same report that Eric Holder was involved in back in twenty. Seventeen and hides a different report. I doubt they'll just trade up put that outcome K based on. I haven't seen it. If you have the whole two reports, please send it to. We have secured drop. Based on what I've heard about it. There's some not like really not great stuff there that they don't want. Even if it's been a few years. They don't want anyone to see. So I suspect this'll be sanitized version of that. But they cleared they clearly want they clearly at least want people to think that they're being more transparent. So one last question, and then we'll let you get back to your your story that you're still getting over the finish lies. Thank you. There was a lot of talk of the last couple years about Uber. Developing technology for flying cars for self driving cars is this stuff show up in their in their filing. Or is this something that they talked about? But now they have to be more realistic about because they have actual shareholders chancer to. Yeah. It's it's it comes up a lot in the filing, which is interesting one thing they say is that they expect to get beaten to market on this technology. But something that happened with Uber is that they had this terrible testing crash in Arizona almost exactly a year ago killed a woman there, which was horrible and they ended up dramatically scaling back their testing efforts. And right now, they're only testing on some streets in Pittsburgh, and they've kind of had to slow their role and rethink the way they are dealing with safety and testing for self driving cars. They continue to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on this technology. And they think someone is going to get there. First that said, they have a big network there on all of our phone. So if even if they're not first to market, they might be able to still win the self-driving war. But. They also outlined in this filing a really interesting future where this going to be a mix of Thomas vehicles and human Uber drivers. And they say they're going to have to have people who are dedicated to on the ground operations were essentially choosing. When to send a robot and went to send driver, which to me sounds very expensive. That. I mean, maybe that's just how logistics have to work in in a company. It's not like you're gonna flip a switch and have all robot drivers one day. But it seems to be something they're thinking about how to actually roll up this technology, but b they are having to get a little more realistic about how that will actually work, and it'd be awesome. If they had to talk to the public more about it because I love to learn more. Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us. We cannot wait to see what happens. We'll have you back on very very soon to talk about what's going on with Uber lift and the rest of the future of transportation. Thank you are Marshall. Thanks for having me. All right. Let's move onto our recommendations Arielle. Why don't you go? First. I've got a really cool in this week. It is a brand new app that I just started using and recommend to everyone who may have a little bit of digital detritus in their life. I speak of the tweets that you may have wanted to delete it from delete from a long time ago. I speak of the Facebook posts that may be public to everyone because you post to them ten years ago and have never thought to delete them. I speak of your Google search queries, your Amazon snippets of voice memos. All these things can be very easily cleared deleted with his cool app called jumbo which is your personal privacy assistant. It's an app that lets you clean your personal data across social media services. So you you get up and you link it to Twitter. Facebook g mail, Alexa. They're announcing support for Instagram and some other platforms, very soon, and by linking mess. You're not giving jumbo any permissions, actually. But it somehow has a way that it can delete old tweets. It can adjust your Facebook privacy settings. It can clear out your twenties and other cool things with just the press the button. So I kind of thinking of it like the way that people have maybe like house cleaner com. Every couple months just to like deep clean. Then you pay that person in your thank you so much. I feel so much better. This is like the digital version of that except it's free jumbo Gumbo. That's pretty awesome. I'm very intrigued by this. I would I want to know if they're like hoovering up your data. Thought you deleted it? They do claim something about like, not storing your data in an insidious way. And that like all of this is happening on your iphones. They're not actually storing anything, but I forget how I just have to cut this. Sorry. Well, I trust them. Lauren. What is all right? My recommendation. This week is a little slice of heaven on the internet. Goodness. Yes. It's an Instagram account called one bike one world Scottish men who has taken to exploring exploring the world. But I think he's largely been in Europe on his bike and along the way, he encountered a kitten a kitten who would not leave his side. He's scooped up the kitten turns out she likes bikes and she loves him. He named her Nala, and he got her a little basket that sits on the front of his bike. And he and Nala have been exploring the world. He just got her spayed that was the Instagram content this week and the two of them together. Just some of the most touching stuff I've seen on Instagram. And while also I love cats, so. So that may be part of it for some of you who don't have cats, you might find it quite so endearing. I don't know. There's something really endearing. I don't know anything about this guy. But he's a big burly dude with this tiny little kitten, traveling the world, and I think you should go. Check out one bike. That's the numeral one one world and both numerals one by one world Instagram account. It's so cute. It's just something about like he has this beard, and he has these big shoulders these big arms, and he often poses holding the cat in his arms or sitting on his chest. It reminds me of there was like the looney tunes cartoon from the fifties. It's called kiss me cat. You've probably seen it like it's a big bulldog and a little tiny like tuxedo kitten, and the dog is like barking and barking and barking and trying to scare the kitten and all the kitten wants to do is crawl on his back and fall asleep and just like his heart melts, and all of a sudden, they become the best friends, and he's like holding the kitten. It just reminds me of that just like this this this giant beast of man and this little cat, so good. It's really cute. He also helped a puppy adopted along the way. That's awesome. Yeah. He's it's great just go. Check it out. If you need if you beat your it up. It's also just he's seems like really pure soul. He's a good, dude. Let's hope let's hope it's a milkshake duck. Can you imagine? That's what's to say that. Senate someone is going to dig up. We'll make us all. All right. What is yours? Oh boy. Hey dealer movies with the move on the movies. You like how do you know? Okay. So you may remember about a year ago. I recommended a service streaming movie service called film struck films. Struck is was our AP films truck was a service for fans of not just movies, but cinema and say like that because you know, it's like art house movies and serious movies and important, quote, unquote, important movies. I'm doing air quotes right now. Film. Struck was a joint venture between Turner, which owns Turner classic movies. And a lot of stuff from recent years and criterion. The people who are film Preservationists and our rapidly sucking up all of the great movies from around the world that have made a big impact on our cultural understanding of each other through film. So that venture sunk they decided it wasn't worth money anymore, and they stopped doing it. So criterion spun out on their own and launched their own streaming service it launched on Monday, April eighth, and it is a monthly subscription of eleven dollars a month or you can buy a whole year for one hundred dollars, and it gives you access to vast library of criterion streaming movies. So if you're fan of arthouse cinema, or if you're fan of Agnes Varda, or if you're a fan of the cure Corallo or Ingmar Bergman or David Lynch. David lynch. I have not said, David Lynch. Yeah. They don't have all the David Lynch movies, but they have like lost highway and elephant man and racer head seeing get like halfway there with fire walk with me and get halfway with David Lynch. If you subscribe to criterion. Anyway, it's fantastic. I'm a charter member. Like right now, I think if you sign up they give you a bit of a discount. So I did that. And I it's amazing. I've just been building my list, and it's all like old Italian shit from the sixties so Arielle, you have to come over and make popcorn and we'll watch all those boring black and white movies. Subtitles that you love. Oh, yeah. No, you're invited. She just gives me shit about it all the time. Oh. Anyway, we've one last thing to tell you about before we go as you may know, why it is part of the Conde nast media family where big company all different kinds of publications like vote and yorker Vanity Fair, and occasionally we get the chance to tell you about something that is great that is happening somewhere else in the world. So this week we wanna tell you about a great podcast being produced by one of our siblings this week. We wanted to tell you guys about little gold men the award season podcast from Vanity Fair. The Oscars are in fact, very over and the Emmys may not be until September. But in Hollywood word season is year round event whilst but so many great TV show, suddenly be premiering April. Or so many movie star is getting ready to fly to con-. It is con- right? Ken con con con each week the team of Mike HOGAN, Richard Lawson, Katie rich and Joanna rob Robinson discussed the ups and downs of awards races. And the big. Topics in Hollywood that week from the much hyped final season of game of thrones to the extremely early twenty twenty Oscar predictions award shows, maybe one night only, but the process of getting there is a year round event and little Goldman explains. The campaigning the favouritism the occasional dirty tricks. That everyone endures in order to stand on stage and hold that gold statue subscribe to little Goldman on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And that's it for this week from the gadget lab. That's it. Lauren tell people how they confront you on the Twitter. I'm at Loring good with any and how about your real. I'm at SO Terek and you Mike at snack fight. You can blame us all at gadget lab. We'll be back next week talking about what what we talking about next week next week. We are talking about well, we're gonna have a guest in. But will let you know later the microbe leading expert complaining expert, also smooth.

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