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The Shanaplan: Highest paid Niners are no shows in Week 1

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The Shanaplan: Highest paid Niners are no shows in Week 1

"Welcome to another episode of the Shanna Plan. This episode four, my name is Cayo Posey. I'm joined by my buddy, a cost cost going on man. What's up man just trying to break down The first loss of the season. And trying to preview the the jets what's going on? Are you watching the all twenty two, Akash? How well, if the NFL put it up, we would. I don't know how many times I refresh that page today man usually they're up like Monday, night and cod. They're trying to hide how bad Jimmy Garoppolo was week one. Usually. It's up Monday night when the Monday night football games up in a lot of times I don't WanNa watch Monday night football I watch some other games in. We did not have that opportunity and as of Tuesday night, we still do not have that opportunity. So hopefully, we get that opportunity. Wednesday. So the forty niners did make some moves even though they did not practice on Tuesday they signed wide receiver Mohamed Sununu former Kyle Shanahan white out who did have his best season understand in two thousand sixteen that has not stopped forty niners friends from showing two thousand sixteen highlights. A what do you think about? I forget into new. Cal Shanahan got asked us yesterday and I wonder if he like if he paid the reporter like him about it because it was the last question that got squeaked in and then Kyle top for like thirty seconds about sue and we knew as soon as he said that he was going to get signed. Right? Basically. Telling John Like Gauguin me so new I've never seen a a coach talk about a free agent player like that. Yeah. Weird. Yeah I love the Guy Respect him the League respects him and it was like, okay. Yeah. It's clear that they had a need at the position He's sitting on his couch. You you know it was going to cost. You know a veteran minimum deal probably. Incentives. So the forty niners out. Did it. Ask for the new to answer your question. You know just an extra body in my opinion. You know I, mentioned this on twitter I'm not sure what we can expect from him from like a speed or like a burst standpoint. You know he's thirty one that's never I'm not sure if that's ever been a strength but you know he's six foot two going to provide Jimmy. Garoppolo target over the middle of the field I think he's a tough blocker which calcium probably loves about him. You know has most efficient season I think by yards per outrun in Atlanta with caution in while those things work and hopefully until deebo Samuel and brandon euch are up and running sue can just like bridge the gap. So is Sununu, a replacement for and I and I keep hearing that I've seen the whole bridge, the gap thing. But to me, it seems like he's more of a trend Taylor Dante Pettis Kendrick born sub as the forty niners you know try to get. Brennan acclimated to the offense. Overly. As you make Samuels back in a couple of weeks so they don't miss him too much. But let's let's pretend that everybody's healthy. So happy back back to have a fully healthy kiddle whereas sunny fit in there. I'd imagine a place in the slot as your number three. I'm guessing it's Between Him and Kendrick born I thought Kendrick born played pretty well week one. God opened on some routes. He was open on that third down play in the fourth quarter in the back of the end zone should have been the the game winning touchdown in my opinion but I think is gonNA. Come down between you know sue and born depending on who shows out here born obviously has the upper advantages with the chemistry with Garoppolo the familiarity in the system last few years but I would imagine it's between those two. Shanahan's always wanted a big slot receiver whether Jalen her or they drafted John Jennings in the seventh round. One Guy One guy didn't really pan out so far. So this seems to be that mold of a player ethic. In going back to some of his usage in football. ALMANAC here's what they had to say about new. He said, they said part of the issue was snooze role as a big slot receiver was muzzled in terms of averaged at the target. So when he was with the Patriots, he was used more as an underneath receiver and that was not the case the first half of the season when he was with Atlanta. So not once in any of snooze full seasons in Atlanta did he have more than forty five percent of his passes in the short area yet fifty? Five percent of his plays in two thousand nineteen were in the short area, a number that very well could have been higher if he had spent the whole year in New England and just talking about talking with one of my buddies Taylor who who writes for pats pope it. He kind of echo those same sentiments where it seemed like just a new just wasn't a fit in New England and it's so easy look at the box score and I'm not going to sit here and pretend like snooze. O, game-breaker but. I imagine kyle would know how to use them. If he's going to be if you, he's wanting to bring him in, he's probably going to use them as that big slot receiver and that would be a and he's not anywhere near the type of talent. Jalen hurt is by Magin. It's going to be a lot of usage where vertical threat over the middle where he's not I down the field but that intermediate range where he can kind of open up the. Does that mean we've seen the end of Trent Taylor after one. I don't think so I think at the end of Dante Pettis for sure. I think the one thing we come to know with CAL Shanahan. If you can't block, you're not gonNA get on the field, right? That's the reason they didn't play own twenty nineteen. It's the reason Mark Goodwin. Didn't see much of the field and it's the reason that Dante Pettis who had opportunities on on Sunday he's. You gotta you gotta be able to block on that McKinnon touchdown or what should have been a touchdown. ENDED UP, being the most getting stuffed on the goal line on fourth down. Dante Pettis Mrs. Bloch Otherwise McCain and walks into the end zone and they go up seven or whatever was at that point and that's the reason on if that isn't GonNa, see the field anymore in my opinion and so I think the news going to be an upgrade from that standpoint. Yes. News a very, very good and that's probably one of his best traits but he was available in September for reasons. I'm not in my hopes up too much. What what the real key here is. They just need I can do Samuel back. Badly speaking of wide receivers that are available. Ono, Beckham and Alan Robinson and overcome had a press conference on Tuesday where he didn't throw Baker Mayfield under the bus without let his yeah he said he reprinted much said is receiver open and he kind of dialed it back a little bit saying that well, after put my shoes in the quarterback, put myself in quarterback shoes and Blah. Blah Blah, the also said two things I care about the most are winning and producing in those two things are not happening in Cleveland they have not happened in Cleveland's he's been there. They're probably not going to continue to happen in Cleveland. one and I get the most ridiculous messages ever somebody told me that. Per whoever per some random person that the forty niners offered a second round pick for Oto Beckham which share Buddy but should I've got some good ones too yeah. Those are fun. Should the forty niners be interested in a guy? Like Odell Beckham. At all because this is the first time we've done this. It feels like we do this every couple of months with ob bj and the forty niners have pursued him in the past but should they do now? Yeah we we conversation the we've got a little group, rob a stats garage producer. Texas said Odell over Alan. Robinson. The other guy that might might have or might not have requested a trade today and shot back and I said Hey rob over Odell and. He's just me I'd like soured on Odell Beckham Junior. I'm just tired of it. Right had the whole fiasco in New York gets traded to Cleveland and You know all of a sudden baker him and Landry that the next biggest thing and. It just hasn't been that right and wrong in Cleveland. Their offense just isn't clicking maybe it's Baker maybe. So dial maybe Stefanski was Freddie Kitchens clearly last year. Just soured on now Beckham Junior. I I'm not a big fan of wide receivers who have. Like a diva ish. You know so already. Why does he was right right but you know what I mean it's just. Like my wide receivers, you know talking to the media. Even. If he's throwing shade at quarterback like kinda throwing shade I, I'm just out on that I just don't like that. So regardless of what he brings on the field which hasn't been particular. Particularly great over the last season I. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. And his contract on top of that is great. So it's not in it. It just seems like that windows kind of passed as far as bj goes but the other report was Alan Robinson who her brad of Skybridge Tribune reported that he did request a trade later on Alan Robson's agent came back and said, we did not request a trade, but we are still unhappy which means we probably did request trade I love albums and I think he's one of. Yours in the NFL there if there is a star player available, every team should be on lookout. This star player just happens to be at a position of need for the forty niners. Yes. They are a little bit are there are not a little bit they are up against the CAP. They do have a little bit of wiggle room, but they also have extensions coming up for Fred Warner and you WANNA extend Trent Williams, I mean based off. The plays I could imagine why you'd WanNa extend. When you want to make sure that he stays healthy and that'll that'll if that does happen I imagine the forty niners will work out of building which makes it difficult to make play for a guy like Robinson who is in the last year of his contract he does have a fifteen million dollar capit-, and he's probably going to want that or more moving forward so that does make difficult but just as far as on the field goes he is rock solid number one so you Ahmanson seen kittle. Deebo and then that would allow you to sort of ease in Euch and not put pressure on him to succeed. It makes it a lot easier to swallow but again, money matters and that would be produced have to put on his magician had kind of make that work and they have to just. Get get tricky with the extension so What do you think about the whole Iraq situation because you are the fun police in, you did not like the idea of bringing one today I am the foam police. You know I'm with you as a player I think he's underrated as a wide receiver. He's played with friggin Blake bortles chase. Daniel. Now Mitchell. Trubisky like his quarterback placement pathetic and he's putting up like monster numbers but it's just a math right the salary cap math doesn't work out the beauty of the NFL. You just can't a stack your team right and I. Think the forty niners would be on the hook for like ten point nine, million dollars of his base salary this year that's basically about. The CAP. Room, that they have and you know unused taproom, this year would slide over in the next year it would be used for extensions like you mentioned and they've got a laundry list of free agents. So just not the wise move. If you're looking to keep a contender together for as long as possible it would be one of those like pushing all your chips into the middle of the table type thing but you know they've already given up a third round next year for Trent Williams. Would they give up like another pick in a player or or a pair of picks next year? I'm not sure right? You need those graphics to be able to restock your team. With chief talent and so. Yup that you know when they did it for default a couple of years you'd need they had the cap space had the draft capital so they went ahead and did it. This time around you know. I just can't see them doing you know the trade and resigned the guy if they were to trade them and let them walk. Maybe you get you get your compensatory pick back but. Yeah just not a fan of that. What if what if? The Chicago. Bears GM told you. We'll take. D. Ford and you take on Robinson what you said said. whose interest passer. Don't have read depth at pass rush Behind de Ford Kerry Hyder looked all right Ronald Blair still on the pop. Deferred, supposed to be you know one of your best pass rusher so is it? Wide Receiver much that big of a need where you have to slide. So much of your resources that way to you know hurt one of the strengths of the team I'm not sure. But I do have a lightly used Solomon Thomas. Nine. Maybe, the bears you know Ryan pace can make up for. You Know Mitchell trubisky trade and take Solomon Thomas off the forty niners. that would be okay with but not not afford. No. So look, that's a good segue. So let's talk about the game on Sunday. The forty niners did not win. They were seven point underdogs. And I'll start favorites. Yeah. Underdogs my bad they were. Got Off to attend to know start everything was sunshine and rainbows. It looks like they're gonNA run away or the game. Then what happened and from there it was just a giant mess forty niners defensive line saw a great game from Nick. Bosa saw some flashes from Giovane Ken Law which is that's what you want for rookie but. They're too big money they're to money edge rushers. Defoe Lord and Armstead did a whole lot of nothing they combined for one TACO. They did have believe it was one total pressure which I am not a fan of that stat. I've never been a fan about staff. One piece from one of my boys, Stephen Release that convinced me that they are not. They do not make an impact. So I'm going to hold onto that for the rest of the season and I just think man especially with the mobile quarterback. quarterback hits forty niners did not get that done and we saw that we saw what happens in Keiler is a very special town. There is no doubt about it, but they just have to better. They cannot have games where it's Bosa, and nobody else is, and this is like the reaction train here. Should we worry about Ford or Armstead? You think the forty niners miss deforest buckner right now yet buckner seems like a very good player. He seems like a guy that would have been great for week one not only because he's an experienced Basser and Ken laws not there yet but it just seemed like when Buckner is on the field, he a load off of boasts and that just wasn't there. But the forty niners have invested in arms that they paid them all that money. They paid for a ton of money so you just can't have those type performances I think it's it's not as it's not was at, but it is that simple where your best players need to play when you need them to make a play and that just did not happen I. saw a lot of critique from from other guys but I mean it we gotta start at the top. So what was your takeaway from seeing Armstead and Ford? Yeah. It might be an overstatement, but I thought, Kerry Hyder. And Kevin Givens almost had more of an impact on that game like I heard their names called out more than Eric Arm said and deep Ford like. was deformed like still hurt I know he you know he had like a soft tissue injury like he was not flashing on the screen and neither was Eric Armstead and you know the cardinals had good pass blocking line last year I think you know bypass block win rate they were in the top ten I wanNA say so they're not. Bad offensive line or anything, but I would expect your too high money guys to flash more than they did It was largely unimpressive Nick Bosa by far. The best pass on the team Sunday can had flashes yet is moment that he had a couple of good moves. Might have had a sack one play had a good tackle but. Those guys man they're they are going to have to step up. They're gonNA have to come through big time. In D, Ford actually played quite a bit. He played forty six naps and armstead played fifty two. So when you play that may snaps between those two and combine for one tobacco that is not getting obviously tackle echo stats are not the greatest barometer of how you played it. Kind of gives you an idea of how involved you are, and they just I, mean, they just let the whole slate blank in let's kind of move forward here speaking of. The for Defense Kyla Murray he was very good. He made the forty niners look silly and a lot of ways whether it's her. Arm, but I wanNA kind of touch on the slides. So he baseball player. Was He had a couple of slides at drew penalties from the forty niners. There's not really anything that they can do about that. He slid. So late where the defenders are already going down at him and the refs without being humans they still through the flag but I, guess that's a letter of the law and that's why Shannon said you can tell he was visibly frustrated. Oh There isn't anything you can do about it i. don't know what you even say as a coach to tell you we're not gonNA tell you guys hey, don't tackle him because what these guys are going to end up doing is they're going to fake slide and they're going to get five ten more yards. So it's like a catch twenty two there's not much you can do. What did you think about that? Is that like cuyler being a I mean he's a second-year player, is that like a wily veteran move or was at plan? What are you doing? It. Feels like it right. Maybe it's like baseball instincts or whatever, but usually young mobile quarterbacks. Right. I feel like young quarterbacks that have like this invincible like Cape and they will try to get the extra yards and usually get hurt. Get hit. Like the opposite right he goes down. A lot easier than some of these other young quarterbacks. Worked at the forty niners disadvantage man, they had those two penalties. Yeah just top and I honestly as a defensive coach or even couch. I'm like, what? What do you tell your players? Right? It's not like they're like taking off his head or anything it's just the rolling over him. He's a smaller quarterback and cost thirty yards and. Get is just what it is right I think they're going to get called for one or two of those every time they play a column, Maria Russell Wilson or something like that. So just a savvy move from. Murray. Lines up with how he played on Sunday You know when it was crunch time, he made winning plays Jimmy Garoppolo didn't whether it was with his feet with his arm, whatever it was Murray elevated the rest of his offense and Garoppolo didn't, and that was that was the difference in the game. He did. He did a great job of extending place. He had thirteen cares for ninety one yards and a little twenty, two yard scamper where it seemed like. Hundred steps to get twenty two yards he around the defense he made the guys look silly i. mean he had other scrambles to where he's he's keeping them ahead of the chain and that was the biggest difference to me and we're GONNA get to grapple a little later. But the difference was one guy knew how to either throw the ball away or get the ball on the other side of the line of scrimmage when the other guy looked like he was a rookie. He. Looked like he played in his first NFL game and just had no. Or? It does help that Kyle had this guy named De'andre who if you have never watched football is good at sport. He had fourteen receptions for one hundred, fifty, one yards a did not have a plan for him what I took it as was the forty niners Cantu the game plan thinking Hopkins GonNa Lineup on the opposite side of Sherman and they're just gonNA leaving rare and they're going to be able to go to work. So what? The forty niners countered that with was Sherman either went to the right side of the field or started playing the field quote unquote or the wide side of the field, and that was their answer. But Cliff Kingsbury being out a relatively smart human being which anybody would do if they see that all he did was moved hopkins round he just moved moved into the right. He moved him in the slot, you use motion huge condense splits. Like he just didn't leave him in one spot in the forty. niners really didn't have answered now is is frustrating to watch just because there weren't even pressing him off the line of scrimmage they were doing anything to. Release and just Kinda was able to sit down on his zones in the the the Muslim. Russian. Catch. Yeah, yeah one of the most frustrating ones was toward the end the game there's third now need to stop and you let a person who at that time I believe had like one, hundred, twenty over one hundred yards, just run free over the middle of field converted a third down instead of a field goal they score and that's pretty much a difference of his volume. Said and so I don't I don't know people have asked you know should they have doubled hopkins yet will yes. They should have done that they. had. Some sort of bracket him make somebody else beach you that should have been the case after the second quarter and you knew that that's where they're going to throw the ball to. There's nobody else that they're throwing the ball to. He wasn't even trying pretending to throw the yellow only in and that'll be something to keep an eye on now that if four nine. and. Just gone off the top of my head I don't think they're gonNA see too many number ones I got obviously you're not gonna see me receivers at all like hopkins but luckily I think there will be fine just because they're not gonna have these crazy good wideouts but I mean, come the playoff you're not going to be up to avoid that. So what was your take on how defendant Hopkins Frustrating. I mean did Vance Joseph freaking out coach Robert Sala I mean in the second half George Kettle didn't have a target but they were bracketing him. Right they would have a linebacker underneath and a safety over the top they they were determined to tell you or they were telling the forty niners offense right? We're not going to let George Kilby's Jimmy Garoppolo throw to Dante pedestal Trent Taylor. Kendrick. Born whatever but we're not letting you throw to George Kettle and beat us and the forty niners were somehow like content with a collar Murray thrown deandre Hopkins and over and over again yet what sixteen targets fourteen catches like there was just zero resistance and I also bad for manual Mosey right you and I respect respect the hell out of Amanda Moseley undrafted free agent plays tough tackles for a corner. Is relatively good corner but. It's just unfair to put them on an island with Deandre Hopkins Ao Yep Yep go cover that guy right and it was just frustrating because you know if you've seen a half of it, you know try to make some adjustments right? And one of the things you know Bilbao attack I feel always says. I will take away your number one option and you beat us some other way right whether it works or not, and it seemed like Robert Solid just was like content. With the forty nine with the cardinals is going to hopkins over and over and over again and on the play that you reference right the touchdown that he got. I think Sherman or someone told us after the game, right? They were one half of the defense was on was thinking it was one coverage the other half of the defense sing it was another coverage and the completely blew it I think it'll be obvious along twenty two but like two defenders, maybe it was a linebacker in a corner linebacker safety someone both went the opposite way hopkins was just running. Naked. Down the middle of the field and another interesting point I thought this was the first game that saw didn't have joe woods right the defensive backs coach. He had wasn't in Tony Oden right and. Multiple. Defensive Miss Communications and don't know if it's a coincidence. Don't know if it's like woods related but. Yeah. It wasn't pretty say at least. So Woods designed like a lot of their passing schemes. Last year I know that for a fact, and he pretty much more the secondary away from. Saleh's traditional three to like more of a quarters man match zone match and it was a tremendous help and I remember talking to where tar various more about in the preseason just how much of an impact that was hats and And I didn't think about that. That's a really good point by you and we talked about Moseley a little bit before the show started he is a very good athlete, a very good corner on vertical routes one of his biggest issues last year, and again, this year at our just against Hopkins here was just giving up space on the underneath routes where he'd be in pressman coverage he's in a good position but. Awareness like Hopkins's running routes at the stakes and Moseley doesn't know where those are, and that's where the separation comes at the top of the route. He's fast he needs to know these fast and he's sit on these routes of guys that are two steps slower than that did not happen and that was that was pretty much different but I don't I don't. I'm not willing to you know pull the plug on me I don't think he's about no. No No, I mean at at some sometimes, you just have to stop making excuses and you just have to give credit to the offense John Happy s receivers the best receiver in the NFL and they just got beat by him and they they thought that they could get away with one on one coverage in and that was just a bad idea. So we're GONNA take a little break here we are GonNa come back and talk about Jimmy Garoppolo. Espionage, in presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season with your favorite espy nation community leaders, you'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis fantasy football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the SP nation NFL show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts. So your favorite podcast APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. All right we are back in. Jimmy Garoppolo. So Akash. All offseason man we heard. So even not all offseason leading up to the game after the Houston Texans played the chiefs there were arguments and there were a forty niners fan saying that the Shawn Watson is better than Jimmy Garoppolo. Is a take that is a take people were talking about how tyler was better than Jimmy Garoppolo. There are sorry Jim Mugabe was better than fire which I don't think that was true last year I. Don't think that was draft that name that we just watched but I mean I don't I don't know where start here I mean. There there was not a lot of good decisions from Jimmy Garoppolo Nineteen, hundred, three, two, hundred, and fifty, nine yards, two touchdowns. So if you just didn't watch the game. Yet. If you look at the box score, you think, oh, it wasn't that bad nor interceptions but ooh, boy, do I have news for you? There were so thirty three attempts I could I would imagine of those dropbox. Missed an open receiver on ten of those drop. Think that's fair. I would I would have guessed more than it felt like more watching the game. That's why were you and I are sitting on the twenty do waiting for it just to break down Jimmy but also pathetic performance pathetic awful. Horrible garbage. There's no way to even justify Jimmy Garoppolo performance. You can't tell me that hit missing too wide receivers or a senator or whatever. It is excuses that type of performance when College Shanahan scheming up Kendra Kendrick friggin born you know on third down wide open he's wide open you can't under throw that ball. Any under throws it right and then again on fourth down, it's a simple out route Taylor. The only thing you can do is be late on that throw. If you'RE GONNA be late the corners GonNa get it right and what does he do? He throws behind it gets bad at away right? Those are two plays and I'm sure there's plenty of other places Dante Pettis throw on the opposite side of the field earlier in the game he kinda overthrew him pedestals really make an attempt I was hoping to get a different angle to see how far the throw was but you know Jimmy you know was one of the more accurate players accurate quarterbacks in the league I think is like completion percentage above expected was like plus three like over the season one of his better attributes. This past week was like minus six and a half third worst I think only like breathing Carson wentz worse and those guys looked pathetic in week one and so the one thing Garoppolo hangs his hat on is his accuracy and his confidence. Right when he takes a shot when he gets hit when he throws the interception usually comes back and looks unfazed. Looked scared on Sunday. He was he had that little triple been move in the pocket. It looked like one is i. read was taken he had no clue what to do. and. So I don't know if that's like Kashan Henderson's. Not drawn up as good plays or if you know Jimmy, you just wasn't reading the field properly but Robert Sala all off season all we heard was always better decision makers, quicker decision maker, and the first game of the season against a Vance Joseph defense not good. He can make a decision couldn't couldn't get rid of the ball and a lot of these plays or was not accurate right and that's just not good enough. You know he's twenty million dollar quarterback when guys are down, he's got to be the key to elevate those guys. That's that's what I expect. Right when he gets paid that kind of money when he's talking about the way he is and he He hid behind all those excuses on Sunday and you know he's going to go against the jets later this week who aren't very good pass. Defense Jamal, Adams. And he's got a light him up and the narrative may change a little bit but not no, no. No He's going to have to play better against better pass defense defenses in crunch time we saw that at times last year but Jeez thousand ugly performance. If we'RE GONNA hold Garoppolo to this top tennis quarterback. That's fine. But if we're going to do that will you cannot continue to make excuses and expect form to only perform when the situation around him as. What is not fair that is not how this works. You cannot say, well, he missed this this and this. Well, if that's true, he's still missing all these receivers. There is one play where Garoppolo jobs back he's looking at the middle field re most goes on little swing route and goes up the failed most. It is literally jumping up and down and waving his arms open. He could've walked into the end zone Garoppolo does not see him earlier in. The Game I remember just showing rich Madrid this and what happened was third down I think it was one of the first third downs of the game garoppolo drops back throws to kill underneath well short of the sticks. If he just waits a half second later turn Taylor comes open and that's was a play design they try and high low the defense worked. But because he throws the ball to linebacker a safety, sit on kindle and trailer Taylor Open Up. and. And so when people were complaining about Shanahan's chance play calling no, that's not the problem. The problem is a quarterback isn't going through his reads he's not seeing the filled he's flustered in the pocket. He's being affected by the pressure that really wasn't there because there are a lot of times. He's just creating pressure on himself. He's he's running out of pockets he's Just playing like a young quarterback he's playing like an inexperienced quarterback now is a problem and I do think some of the blame does go on Shanahan but I mean if you're looking at the box score, like we said, sixty percent of garoppolos yards came after the catch both of his touchdowns came to running backs like do have to use some sort of context and. He should have had a pick in that game. Let's be honest he got bailed out with a pass interference that a of people tried to justify by saying Oh you know he knew was going to pass on Anna that while he tried he tried to emulate Patrick. Mahomes. He was like. Running out to the edge and he just like off one foot slings. It and Garoppolo doesn't have the arm strength. League post ACL to like get that ball there in the triple coverage just a boneheaded play. The game should ended there right and then the cardinals bailed him out luckily. The safety was just a and you can see on the replay because it did kind of show the iron this guy that saved you bathing him just please grope. Her he did and he got he got a little lucky there and that was you speaking of ACL vows and one of the excuses that he still recovering from his ACL and that's why he played bad i. don't know how long that's going to go on with the excuses for. Are Never in the I. Feel like we can just have an honest conversation about if he's playing poorly, let's just talk about it if he's playing well, we were talking about he was flustered he was out of rhythm and the like the one excuse that I would think is credible form that nobody really talked about because why not I think kyle offense is built off play action and of Garoppolos thirty-seven. Dropbox only twelve of those were plaques and that is a problem and Garoppolo's never really. been this peer dropback passer that's GonNa pick you apart and that's what it seemed like how Shannon wanted to use him. As you would think, especially in a situation where you're missing your target's in there and I know kibble said, he was fine. He didn't miss plays, but he just wasn't saying player second half as you mentioned, he was being taken away like they were literally bracketing him which is what you do against players win. There's only one thread on the field crazy I know but. The one thing on the play action right his best throw of the day, which was a lap passed should say best play of the day was that we'll route to US check and that came off of play action rate. Play action you know usually use a lead block, right? The linebacker sucked in and by the time US check was running the route linebacker. It was like five behind him. So a layup pass beautiful play play design. So. Yeah. Surprising to see like little of that like you mentioned, and then the other thing with just play calling creativity I? Think one of the players of the commentators highlighted they had kill release on the inside like between like the Garden Center I WanNa say they were trying to get him open any way possible in Arizona was still going to double him and you know Garoppolo just couldn't hit his other guys for whatever reason and I was a difference in the game. You know as for as bad as the offense looked, they had a chance had two chances within the red zone to win that game and the AD. Despite. Which is That that kind of speaks to what this team can become but and we obviously, we know that they can become very tame because they made the Super Bowl last year but we just you it's a new season and if you expect them to be able to just. Go on the field and teams are going to lay down that is not going to happen. They're eating it every teams best shot this year. There is no sneaking up on teams and just speaking about that juicy you shot by. So earlier in the game I think it was a quarter before they ran Shanahan one of Shanahan's best replays called leak where you stretch excited back the well, he's actually lined up as a tight end he comes underneath the linebackers and. goes up the sideline. He was wide open the protection broke down a little bit but rob lowe just held on the ball too long really didn't give them a chance. So I mean there is so many opportunities where he just kind of dropped the ball, but that's enough. Dunkin. On Jimmy everyone. Yeah. For Week one we will we'll be back Jimmy don't give us a reason to Let's talk about the game changing moment that was probably the pump block where. As we mentioned teno everything's going smooth and then to free rushers come up Dante Johnson doesn't really attack either one and he his. Both of them and I just don't know how that of all the options he could do that. That was picked pundits blocked and then cardinals they scored a touchdown on that drive, right? I. Believe. So yeah that was the game changer moment in my opinion right most has like the seventy five yard touchdown it's ten zero it fuels like the forty niners crush the cardinals week one, right it the momentum was building and you know I think it was a three and out. In the punt gets blocked short field and then the defensive back out there it's hard to expect them to go ahead and stop the cardinals, Genn right and so then it's ten seven and boom. Next thing you know the offense has to respond and they were just sputtering the rest of the half. so that my in my opinion was a changing point in the game and looked like they ran a stunt and for whatever reason just like the forty niners special teams unit wasn't prepared for that. Maybe lack preseason whatever you WANNA, call it but Yeah. Just just mistakes that right it's the lack of execution on little things like that cock them and it's going to happen. You know in a sixteen game season. That's why you know it's hard to thirteen fourteen fifteen games like people predict. It it. It's going to happen. You know the ball isn't always to bounce her way. I mentioned this post game but Jimmy. Garoppolo. Wasn't very good week. One twenty. Nine thousand, nine, hundred against the buccaneers he only through like a buck sixty had a pick. Hewlett bad. That game luckily Jameis Winston was worse. He had couple sixes the ball bounced your way the managed to win. You know cuyler didn't give him the same chance. He was determined to make the winning plays and. You know it is what it is. When the forty niners by a competent quarterback like that there's his dad no chance like they have no shot to be able to give the game away as they did out just looking at some team stats. So they they went to eleven on third can happen on defense they allowed fifty percent conversions on fourteen. So yes, semper fourteen the. That that just can't happen on the red zone allowed both were. They allowed the cardinals score on both of their opportunities and yeah, the four opportunities touchdown the only scored one time. No matter who you are you can't expect to win that and still had a chance to win while you mentioned on the out route left short inside the play before that who I ask Jimmy is that I read he says, yes, why is it taking you fourteen seconds to get to your I read In the ball in the air for seven seconds like what is going on here man these are these are so simple mistakes and yet here we are man at some point. This season we're going acknowledge that Jimmy is, who is what was what was the most frustrating part was in training camp he looked like a very decisive quarterback. It looked like he knew where to go with the ball how much of that was due to playing against the same defense every day how much of that was use? Mentioned that. Yeah. How much of that was due to I'm not going to get hit so I can afford to hold onto back and forward to go through my progressions he just did not look comfortable at all that costs him some play calling as I mentioned was bad I. Don't think that I think he went away with what was working early on I think that they were Jordan he caught that slant underneath before that remorse catching the ball and in Texas route yeah. Yeah. There was the linebackers ally. kiddle just underneath I know that they were taking them away. But why go away from read why go away from the running backs in that situation because a millfield was the forty niners bread-and-butter Garoppolos never been a guy that's going to give you much outside of numbers. So make life easier on him play action was there and then the running game to it seemed like. Shanahan was content on getting outside so not just. The normal wide zone plays they're in the shotgun, run these sweeps and there's this was nothing doing and to me most is actually a better inside runner. He can either cut back or beat guys to the edge with his angle. We just did not see much of that at all. So awfully there's a lot of soul-searching that's going to be needed. Do here is a it. It helps they have the New York teams coming up, but I just don't think that. Right Games names are going to be cakewalks people think they are man. Yeah I agree with that I asked. So you took my question away. Let let our listeners know that kyle got to ask Jimmy About Kendrick born Mike Washing away and I got picked on next so I'd like scramble a little bit and so I, asked him okay. It was a game plan like picking on Isaiah Simmons and he was like, no, it is what it is but then he was like, yeah, kind of worked out that way and just like you mentioned, they went after the linebackers early with was running backs tight ends, and then they kind of let off the hook after that and it was like. You know. There was no consistency. There was no like flow. There's no rhythm in the game. To play calling. I thought and again, it'll be more obvious when we look at the all twenty two but. Just, the lack of flow lack of execution. Disjointed whatever you WANNA call it right it was not a good offensive performance and you know like you mentioned I think they'll. They'll have these to get right games against the jets and the giants. The jets defensive line is scary They were the second best rush rushing defense bird devi away last year I. Think they held ills like less than three yards per rush GonNa be run the ball on no I. If if you know the forty niners win, they should win by double digits digits. It's going to be Jimmy Right? It's it's not going to be like most dirt and Kenan carrying the ball like one hundred plus yards. This is not the way the jets defense is built. So And the giants defensive line look pretty good last night I mean. Dexter Lawrence. They were getting pressure on Ben Rothlisberger Sneaky. There's not much talent elsewhere, but they're not going to be a tough out either so they should win both of these games but. Yeah. The. Going against the jets is at Sam darnold going to throw the ball like even. If you just watch him play. He had to throw in week one where he's wrong to his left is actually okay. This is messed up about Jimmy type throw where he's roll into his left and he's looking back and he throws the ball all the way across his body and it just right into the defenders lap and he's been doing that pretty much all of his life as long as I've been watching him. So darnold Danny Jones they're. Going to give the forty niners opportunity for turnovers and for really get opportunities for turnovers though Quantum Zander did force a few fumbles and caution and did point that out but the forty nine bats bad fumble forced three fumbles and not recover one but I imagine that will change for the forty niners. Any last words before you get out of here? Yeah. Josh, Allen had three hundred twelve passing yards on the jets Jimmy better have more I I hold. I hold Jimmy at a higher standing than frigging Josh. Allen. So you better, he better have a three hundred yard passing him. I don't need one of these like hundred and eighty yard like stinkers. The bills, the bills had their way with the jets especially in the rebound actually fumbled lost two fumbles where now in the in scoring territory. So the phone is there's really no excuse that they shouldn't cut I mean is it fair to say that they should like? Should we be worried if they do not blow the bills out? I would be worried if they don't blow the jets out, they should throttle the jets at Sam. darnold know Jamal Adams. They're just not good. They're what? Seven point favorites the line dropped the six and a half I think. But it's back up to seven now. I don't care I. Don't want the ten. Am I don't want the long flight I don't want any of those excuses and I don't want him. They better throttle them on Sunday. And that's what I expect if if you want to. Be talked about like a super bowl contender and top quarterback. Yeah the jets offense really only got going in at the garbage time in a lot of that was pretty much off a broken tackle Jamison crowder took off down the sign. What's your score addiction for Sunday? Oh I'm going to go thirty one. Thirteen. Yeah. The fills right. Where before united feel like they're they're going to get back on track and I think they're going to capitalize off Donald's. Some of darnold turnovers. Leaving Bell just on the I. R.. So we will see a heavy dose, Frank Gore and. The. And it'll yet I. I. Just don't. I just can't imagine a situation where an atom gaze led offense without outlay on bell who was another guy who had a deep pass down the silent and that that's pretty much all the hit. So I, I'll say something along the lines of like twenty seven ten where it's just it's it's going to be A. Very, boring game to watch hopefully I asked and we don't have to suffer through a lot of boringness but agri, it's going to be like it's an add game I think last year where it was just it was just over early was just like can't get out of here get out of your healthy move on next week. So I imagine a look similar. What happens on offense real quick if I can't go and let's say I, you can't go and kit will still hobbled. Are you still confident that the forty niners offense will be able to move the ball? Yes? Yes. Jordan Reed only got ten snaps. I. Imagine that number goes up I I would think that kyle wanted to see him kind of. Take a few hits just finished the game healthy, but he was effective when he was on the field, you know like you mentioned accountable over the middle imagine he would see more action maybe they go running backs out of the backfield heavy. Could you check outside if they wanted to Hamad Sununu I think he won't practice with the team till Friday if I'm not mistaken, he has through three days of tests so He. Basically won't have any practice. I'm not sure if he's how much time is going to see on the field this week. But yeah, I. It's the jets I'm not worried if I- EUCHRE or Kettleborough don't go. They still got cal. Shanahan. Jimmy. Garoppolo if you regard those guys the way we talk about him. They should get get the job done. Thing that'll do it for us. We will be back next Wednesday hopefully, recapping a blowout victory over the jets I'm Capos you can follow me on twitter KP. Show cost where can we find you on the twitter's on twitter? You can find me at a cost a KNOB AKA H An v before we get off I would like to say that Tarik Katainen interception. So we are twenty five. My bold prediction of the season made old stats and Caltex separately after. Par Up to do with. Good, right. Right place right time but I'll take it. I mean over but that's what we've talked about. The ball. All. Right. You got one more to go no pressure. Guys we will be back next week go. Meat has been in the news a lot lately during this pandemic, we're seeing a nationwide shortage thousands of meatpacking workers tested positive for covid nineteen. Pandemic. has exposed some problems with the way we get to people's plates. Those problems existed long before twenty twenty in some cases they've been around for decades. 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Stats & Eggs Ep. 5 - Nick Bosa on facing Trent Williams

Niners Nation

04:17 min | 1 year ago

Stats & Eggs Ep. 5 - Nick Bosa on facing Trent Williams

"Good. Morning I'm rob stats. Carreira today is Friday August twenty first twenty twenty here's what's happening with your San. Francisco Forty Niners, the team returned to practice yesterday rejuvenated after their day off multiple skirmishes broke out during the practice which caused head coach Kyle Shanahan to stop the proceedings and call the team together before things got too serious kyle what was going on out there like the energy. Today you know especially coming off a day off, sometimes guys tend to have to wake up a little bit after that a few periods in but guys came ready to go. I thought it was probably one of our most physical day yet there was a little scuffles they're going back and forth which is typical of camp around this time I'm sometimes scuffles are a little bit Are Okay they wake everyone up a little bit but I'm trying to make sure no one's stolen punches or do anything that would get them injected in a game wide receiver Dante Pettis continues to draw rave reviews and Thursday was no exception in Kashin hand session with the media after practice you could just tell us mindset how his body was He spent the time away from. US doing everything. He could put himself in a position to make this team and to be as successful. He can be so I've been very proud of Dante so far and I think it showed I think he had his best practice yesterday or two days ago since he's been here like you said I know you got a lot of balls and a lot of opportunities but. It wasn't just that it was his demeanor the way played the Russian and his Ralston everything and been very pleased with Dante so far keep in mind last year at this time Kyle Shanahan said about pets quote the Maury doesn't take advantage of his opportunities. The less opportunities he gets Dante. Pettis. Did Not catch a pass after Halloween last season. Moving on now to the most intriguing match-up of camp, let's listen to Nick Bosa who spoke publicly for the first time after facing Pro Bowler? Trent. Williams that definitely seems like he's Feeling great and and playing really well, I'm definitely confident in Jimmy's left side not that the rest of the line isn't great but Jimmy's been spoiled with Joe and now Trent so doesn't get much better I'm sure Jimmy. Garoppolo would appreciate the extra protection. He was sacked thirty six times last year and was blitzed more than any other quarterback in the NFL. Every day on this show, we're going to give you something to read something to watch and something you might have missed something to read on this Friday is the athletics Tim Kawakami's interview with forty niners gm John Lynch among other things Lynch said, the salary cap will probably be about fifty million dollars less than the team had budgeted for next season. To quote Lynch we'll have some tough decisions going forward. For more forty niners reading material, you can always check out niners nation dot com to keep you up to date. If you're driving, maybe wait a little something to watch defensive lineman Dj Jones didn't finish practice yesterday after injuring his left shoulder on a running play Jones laid on the ground for several minutes before throwing his helmet in frustration and walking off the field. No word yet on the severity of that injury something, you might have missed Kyle Hen said. In a radio interview yesterday that he's not going to be as honest with reporters before the season starts with no preseason game to look at Shanahan wants to make sure teams go into the season with little information about the forty niners as possible. That's it for today, stats and eggs be sure to keep an eye out later today for another niners nation podcast or I'll be joined by Pro Football Focuses Jeff Deeney I'm rob stats. Carreira. We'll talk on. Monday. In preparation for the US elections, facebook has taken at critical steps to secure their platforms and provide transparency. They've more than tripled their safety and security teams to thirty five thousand people implemented five-step out verification and launched a new voting information center learn more about how facebook is preparing at F. B. Dot com slash about slash elections that's F. B. dot com slash about slash elections.

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Stats & Eggs Ep. 3 - Dante Pettis tries to save his job

Niners Nation

03:53 min | 1 year ago

Stats & Eggs Ep. 3 - Dante Pettis tries to save his job

"Good Morning I'm rob stats. Carreira today is Wednesday August nineteenth twenty twenty, and here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners after a rough day Monday, the offense had the advantage again yesterday a big reason for that was the play of third. Year Wide Receiver Dante Pettis who was questionable to even make the team before their rash of wide receiver injuries. Pet is caught five passes in the session which led the team maybe more importantly he also impressed quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. You've been coming along he no, it's. It's very encouraging. Just the physicality days playing with the competitiveness bring it's you love to see that and it's just one of those things you got keep it rolling frustrated teammates and coaches last year after he. Often shied away from catching passes over the middle of the field he only had eleven receptions all year and was a healthy scratch super bowl fifty, four a little more from Garoppolo. Now, despite leading his team to that Super Bowl, there was an expectation that his play will greatly improve with another year in Kyle Shanahan System Jimmy was asked yesterday if one. Thing that felt more natural for him leading into a second full year as a starter I can't put my finger on anything specific I. Think it's more of just the understanding of how everything ties together with the run the pass China everything you know look the same but different at the same time and I think that's the magic of the offense just. Kyle is a great job of that. You know thinking a couple of plays the haddon putting you in a good situation and I think when we're thinking the same way and we're on the same page that's when we're really clicking. Garoppolo set a high in two thousand nineteen. He was the only quarterback in the league that finished in the top five in passing touchdowns completion percentage an yards per pass attempt moving to the defensive side of the ball. Now, there aren't many spots up for grabs in the starting lineup this year, but maybe the biggest will be the cornerback suiting up on the opposite side of the field from Richard Sherman. That job was split by a fellow Witherspoon Manual Moseley last season defensive coordinator Robert Sala was asked about that job yesterday, the corner spot, opposite sherm obviously we we'd like to see a competition over there. There's it is wide open if you want to call it that and and so we're just trying to guys opportunity to go in that job veteran cornerback Jason Verita is also vying for the job, but despite his incredible talent, he has an injury history that is so long it would take the rest of the show to read. Every day on this show, we're going to give you something to read something to watch and something you might have missed something to read on this. Wednesday is the excellent piece niners nation comparing the first three years of George kiddos career with the first three years of Rob Gronkowski's career. If GRONK is the best tight end of all time, you'll be surprised to find out how close kiddle is to following in his footsteps. For more forty niners news the notes you can always check out nine nation dot com to keep you up to date but not now this is. Something to watch the health situation of Eric Armstead. The defensive end didn't practice yesterday. Now the team still claims he's okay and they say he would play if this was a regular season game, but the team is off today and supposedly he'll make his debut on. Thursday if he doesn't, you can officially start to worry something you might have missed was the media session with Rookie, defensive tackle giovane kin law who was asked about making the transition from college to the NFL and summed it up pretty quickly I'm used to play volleyball in college, but it's like everybody here's strong truer words about the National Football League. Have never been spoken. That's it for today, stats and eggs. Be Sure to keep an eye out today for the Shanna plan podcast on the niners nation podcast network. I'm Rob Stats Carreira. Talk Tomorrow.

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Good Morning Niner Empire 10/15/2020

Niner Faithful Radio

03:40 min | 1 year ago

Good Morning Niner Empire 10/15/2020

"Hey everyone, this is Jamie from Good Morning Niner Empire from 9 or 5th or radio.com. Let me tell you about graphic Munger. They're keeping your business are going extinct take a turn your ideas into reality with their graphic design team there your source for custom logo designs apparel decals and more. Don't wait any longer and call graphic Monger at 360-460-8526 regarding Facebook and look them up at at graphic monger. And if you mentioned our know sales or radio, you'll get a discount. So please go check them out. All right, let's get back to the office. Good morning for dinner Empire. My name is Jamie. Today is October 15th. 2020. Let's get into some 49er news. Kyle. Shanahan gives us an update on injuries not injuries for today. We got Kwon Alexander high ankle sprain. He'll be out Dante Johnson and growing. He's still out. DJ is likely full out there today. Here's an update on Jimmy Garoppolo status for this upcoming game against the Rams couch two things on Jimmy know she didn't mention him. There is he is he full go and how long did you have to have any sort of conversation with him after Sunday? Just checking in make sure that that he's good mentally and all that. I mean not in particular. I mean we watched film together we talk, you know right there on the sidelines we talk after the song We Takin the meetings all day. So there's nothing much but just how you feeling. Is it better or worse things like that, but he's ready to go out there and go today. I still coming back from it, but expect him to have a full practice and all value agent there. Shanahan also gives an update on quarterback Emmanuel Moseley for today and mostly progressing back from the protocol should be in a blue. Jersey out there. Also call talks about Dante Pettis and his whole situation. Hey Kyle, regarding Dante Pettis is time running out for him to you know, kind of proved. He could be the player you guys envisioned when you drafted him. Well, yeah, obviously what we envisioned him being a hope. He could be a starter out there and hope he could be returned her for us. He got some opportunities this year to be a returner for us, but I don't think he's on the ones he's gone. Haven't been some great looks or anything else. But last week solely had to do with I was trying to get up some more special teams players for Gunnar and things like that with some of our Corners being down. We got a few guys who can return punts and kicks on our team. So that's been his main role right now this year we had to go another way with that. So I'll still decide that this week as far as the receiver group and everything. I think that that past a little bit with taken how you can with how good Debo did this year. But if that doesn't get better, I mean or those guys fall off or anything like that. I mean everyone has a chance so I don't make any absolutes on anybody. Everyone is trying to prove themselves each week in practice. I think Dante's taken a number of steps for this month. I think he's working hard in practice. I know he was disappointed not to be up last week, but he came out and he still works hard and expect them to work hard today and try and that is it for your friend introduced. Please check out our page in an official video on YouTube and wherever you get your podcast also check at 95th radio.com forward slash shop for all your Transformers and numerous. It just dropped thanks it as always remain faithful.

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Stats & Eggs, 9/7- Lynch "hopeful" Deebo can play opener

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03:21 min | 1 year ago

Stats & Eggs, 9/7- Lynch "hopeful" Deebo can play opener

"Good. Morning I'm rob stats career today is Monday September seventh twenty twenty here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners after final cuts on Saturday and naming of the sixteen member practice squad yesterday, the initial fifty two man roster is set and yes, I say fifty two instead of the regular fifty three because the team is still keeping a roster spot opened for linebacker front warner who remains on the reserve covid nineteen list. There were no major surprises as far as cuts go and basically all of the names you know from last season will remain with the team this year that includes wide receiver Dante Pettis who appears to have won over general manager John Lynch. Hungry and that is shown on the field and we could see from day one battalion was different things doing things that were asked about he had already done that in a way prepared his body but then the consistency clicked and any really started you know the guy that we were. So excited draft add to our team started to show up on that field, and so you gotta go now. When it counts the wide receivers joining us on the team or Brandon Euch Kendrick born Richie James Strand Taylor and deebo Samuel speaking of Depot Lynch said he was quote hopeful. He'll be back on the field against the cardinals in week one but it all depends on what happens later today the forty niners coaches and medical staff will meet to determine whether Samuel will be able to play in the opener against the cards. The initial injury report is due on Wednesday. More from Lynch's conference call with the media yesterday. There were reports that the forty niners were looking to trade cornerback Kello Witherspoon a job and truth to those rumors. Off. We have no interest in moving off calla where really excited about is development where he's at and is. Our Jeanne. Never, a discussion with a spoon course remains on a team, and if Jason Barrett can't play against the cards in week one because of yet another hamstring strain witherspoon is likely the number three cornerback in the opener. We always give you something to read something to watch and something you might have missed something to read on this Monday is the running back breakdown by our own Kyle Posey niners nation DOT COM. He gives you one question for each back on the forty niners roster. Now that we know who they all are something to watch the forty niners restructured the contract of pass Rusher de Ford clearing nearly ten. Million Dollars on this year salary-cap John Lynch didn't say anything definitive but it did say we could see more contract maneuvering coming up fairly soon. Something you may have missed pass rusher Judean. CLOWNEY officially signed a one year deal with Tennessee titans the saints were reportedly trying to swing an NBA style sign and trade with another team to acquire cloudy which would have been a first in the history of the NFL. According to reports, the saints would have given up a draft pick if the other team would have taken the salary cap hit from signing cloudy and then trading him immediately. Ultimately, the saints didn't finalize things because they didn't think they'd get approval from the league that's GonNa. Do It for this edition of Stats and eggs I'm Rob Stats Carreira we'll talk tomorrow.

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Niner Faithful Radio season 04 episode 03

Niner Faithful Radio

1:23:34 hr | 1 year ago

Niner Faithful Radio season 04 episode 03

"Less of is she boy not faithful? How's everybody do win? Hope everyone had a legendary week. Welcome. To. Episode. Episode, I episode three, I'll change that but Today we're GONNA. Go ahead and go over kit a corns big deal. the niners ahead and signed two receivers. Of course, we're GONNA discuss the exciting. Day, that is pads coming on. We have cows, Shin- had in a Kinda pretty much who the star was at at at will and Sam, and so WE'RE GONNA go ahead and get in that. We got some news on the return. But returned competition. News on the Richey James Injury for Jalen Hurd of course, K Williams. And we're going to go ahead and if we have time get into players that we kinda. Kinda are close to the. and. Of. Their contract or at the final season on the contract and we kinda need to see something from. To know whether we're definitely GONNA sign them. You now going forward or not. Yeah. Let me now I see it. Adam will be joining US shortly. Oh. I am starting early I told everybody three o'clock. But Boy Scouts we gotta do. More wait until I. See him come on before we're going to announce our. Semi big announcement but we also have a huge announcement. That I WANNA. Way Ahead until Adam. Comes on before you know what we're going to go ahead and and I'll just as it now and. Talk about it a little bit when Adam comes on but. As of August seventh. Of this year. I. Have joined up. With a couple of people. And, we are going to be starting what is going to be known as. The home podcasting network. Or home podcasting network. We are going to be offering membership badges. And more details that announcing on further shows we will have our logo unveil. Our local reveal I guess you could say. coming up. On. Friday. And as soon as we launch. Are. GonNa go ahead and we are going to. Have what's up Sampson? How're you doing baby As soon as We get it launched neither faithful radio will be moving there. We of course will still be broadcasting on you too. You will still be able to subscribe as podcast. I'm trying really hard to keep same RSS feed because I'm not trying to lose subscribers and make people re subscribing all that. And I definitely definitely. Definitely. Will Be. Still keeping fit, for radio and Really honestly this just a move that. Not. For. Radio is ready to take the stuff where we need to get on a five casts networks. And how the WORD POWER ABOUT GAS NETWORK So Definitely. Definitely definitely excited about that news. That sorry about that y'all trying to see of Adam is going to go ahead and get you know we're just gonna go ahead and kind of get started here Allah Adam jump in Bang Bang Jason was up rather how you do it is so since Jason's here we're going to go ahead and make the announcement Jason will be joining the niners painful. Radios Fam. That's just say. Maybe twenty minutes ago but let's just say right now Will be joining the nine unfaithful radios fam-. And Will. Be. Hosting. In the nine radio group which everybody does, but he also be doing some admin duties openness fructose you know things of that nature to help you know keep the flow of the group going. So. We're definitely. Take a validation everybody give out of applause. Welcome to the fix camera. Cheers. A long relationship. working together. You've been extremely supportive of this show. And I appreciate that and so you know as I've said, it's. Only a matter of time. And I feel that now is the right time. So. WE'RE GONNA go ahead and get into this The niners went ahead and signed receiver j Nelson at Trayvon Austin. Didn't see anything about the report of the contracts I, Know Adam is generally the one that keeps up the contracts. So when he gets on. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA go ahead and we're going to. Get more that collar share a hand at his press conference I mean. I I WANNA say what? He announced the starter I mean he He said. He did what coaches were always do it always say look this is who we expect to be the star in this season's started today. This would be who would be the starter obviously if anybody comes out both the coaches away and they really feel that that player will be Eh. Jamie how you doing? Good to see you thank you for joining US love We will. Definitely. Change Your your profile name. In it usually come up. As. Jamie Forty niners fan or is fan ninety four or something like that anyway. y'All making up me lose my train of thought but. dammit. He basically, K.. One. Gone Alexander is GONNA be. The starter at will and dre Greenlaw will be the starter at Sam I. Don't think that that's that much of a surprise. I think. Of everybody expected I know that's what I expected I know that's what Adam expected discussed it on the show. But We. Are. Half expecting. That eventually. It won't be. Driving laws, jobs. And I could even see both of them. Playing in. Nickel. Know based on scheme matchups. Things of that nature. So. Guan, quantum. did say that he's one hundred percent but. You know. I. See exact. He didn't help the injury. I think the injury probably would've has taken longer to heal. Than I am by Israel maintenance toward pack I should have sent that. I think it's going to take longer. To Heal. I think that. You know playing in the Super Bowl in the play offs. Obviously. It would've been if it was if he didn't play in the playoffs and the Super Bowl he'd be one hundred percent long ago I figured obviously took him longer. because. that. He did play on the playoffs but that was. A chance to niners were willing to take I. Think we all were and definitely definitely. Definitely. I think pay dividends. But? Taylor is also taking. Bribes have perfect her. Any says that he Wants to be the starter at turnaround wants to help on special teams I'm surprised by this I thought that the niners. Would not have tread Taylor. Back there returning punts. And I thought that it would have. been. Richie. James You know obviously he's hurt. So somebody has to take reps during CAP. on Austin but. I guess the niners really do trust these recovered from. Foot surgery and is back now I understand his back was. Twenty eighteen. And so. You know you're a lot of people. are going to seek to be sailed. Hey, backs Shuki. Being able to play. With an injury. Or something. You know our our I guess the coaches always use the phrase, play her you can't play You know. So yeah. I do I think that Taylor's back is hundred percent now You know a back injury. Suck. But do I think it something that he can manage in place? Yeah I do. I think that something that. He may never get over. Back. Tend to be funny. Yeah I think that's I kinda goes to show you jason that. Yeah you know I B I think that's funny. That you know he was a returner God. Dante Pettis Turner Guy But. Let's be realistic. What heard of men and for a lot of people believe stunted his growth, his rookie year, he got hurt on a punt return. That's how he hurt his knee as so he essentially really hasn't. Really been back there since. And I don't know if that's more that the niners think that he can't get it done. For more than they don't want him getting hurt again. at this point. I would think it would have to be the ladder if turning thoughts. I think that it would be. A concern. because. I don't think the days of of Hoping Dante. Pettis is one of our two starting receivers. You know I I think those days are over. Honestly. I'm I think it's really clear that the team. Sees. The future as as deebo Samuel Brandon who by the way had an amazing. Week Training Camp I love to see that a Jimmy and I you connection though indeed the beautiful Jimmy. Steve Ball looked beautiful. You know. A little tangent here just just a little side tension. that. I this is what I love about. Jimmy. Is that look. Let's be real. We all known the Super. Bowl you over through manual sanders bad throw. Whatever I don't think that was the only issue. He had if you look at the Emmanuel Sanders touchdown. In New Orleans, under through that Emmanuel Sanders made a great a great move a cut. Again, just open field in and was able to score touchdown, and if you looked in the yams game at home. He under through Emmanuel Sanders. Mango Sanders in stride or or you know I don't WANNA say under throws but. There was clearly something off about that play if if he hits in the sink of the plan I touchdown. We all go in the Super Bowl That was a touchdown. That he Head Kim how you doing I saw your message by the way. Okay. Thank you. I'll talk to you later after the show but. It's What I love about Jimmy is that he worked on it clearly, he saw that and said Hey I need to get better at he got better so far as training camp. So that's great to see or at least connection maybe Jimmy hasn't improved ever on his equal as a better deep ball connection with Randy night. So The team from what I hear for most people who watch practiced the person who does the best deal even though he doesn't have the strongest. Arms Netball oats. But that. s another. Dacian for another pod. We'll be out. Until it will week regular season. I didn't hear. I did not hear a date on when he returned. But. which will miss the start of the season. Jalen Hurd. Unfortunately on Sunday, it's been confirmed as torn is ACL. and. K. One Williams. As a Grade. One calf strain, it is not considered serious. Ben Garlan and yesterday's practice went off the field with ankle injury and did not return his status as of. and this is just For All those who? Want to have. Some hope that there will be a football season only eleven players in the League as of yesterday. I. Haven't heard anything I didn't get to listen to my. Stats eggs. podcast episode yet this morning I've behind but. As of yesterday, there was only one eleven players on the. Coronavirus list. And so. I think that I think that that's good. mean you know all the scares of they're gonNA shut it down was going to be a billion cases. All be kind of seems over exaggerated by now doesn't. You know. Doesn't seem to Now I think the world has will be when they leave their bubbles. Essential is be realistic. Teams are essentially altri. I mean all their. Supposedly want to say the clearly I don't believe anybody. You know. Apparently, all our players are interacting with on the niners are PT whoever they're interacting within the team, of course, at six feet distance and. With Whoever they're living with the real chest will be win the niners, play the cardinals and they come in and and you know that interaction happens in. So that will be the true chest. but I think that that needs to be applauded the NFL that has a fine job. To, at this point at yesterday to only have eleven players active on the coronavirus list. Right now is great. Jamie I totally agree with you. I really felt for Jalen her Man It really sucks, and it's getting to a point. Now we're JALEN HURTS GONNA come in next year where you know he's not part promised to place on the roster. And you know he's GonNa have to compete with this job because if I'm driven Jennings. I'm excited I pacific von Jennings was dropped in. This is Jalen hurts insurance. Obviously, Jalen hurts more talented. A you know more versatile but as far as that big body receiver that's going go bully people in the end zone and boy is way to the. Giovane Jennings is that player in Boy, I can't wait to see him You don I'm reading the street here on the radio I think that I do not remember twenty eighteen. But in twenty seven, I picked George Skill as my rookie to watch and twenty, nine, hundred as y'all know I was very, very, very, very high on drake, law and. You know only made. Probably. Top three, play this season I mean you're gonNa of course argue. The. Every, there's so many arguments and everything Dan clench at the edge. I. Mean I'm going to say big is. Not, thank you know all the chemical play was a bigger kittikorn. This play was a bigger the Ravi gold game winning field goals I mean. All those things. You know let's not forget. I think Robby Gordon hit that field goal gay it's lost. In. Kindle Koren's epic play in New Orleans but kit accords play doesn't matter if Robbie Gold Mrs I goal. And that's why I put the dray the clinch at the edge as a biggest play of the year. Just off the fact. Of Hey yeah we have. Dante's touchdown against Pittsburgh the the four down the goal line stand and against the yams in La. Other to Jordan. Sixteen. Against the MCI at Levi's and you have all the plays at kindergarten touchdown before enduring during against Green Bay before halftime I think really set up a lot of a lot of things going forward to the system are this season But none of those plays matter and I don't think we make. Super. Bowl. Another those plays matter if Drake Greenland doesn't make his play. We have a comment since the team advert probably have a lot of for lack of conditioning exactly and the reason. So just so y'all don't hear me mumbled says the team didn't have regular ot as I think there will probably be a lot of soft tissue injury pop up for lack of conditioning. A soft tissue injuries will be an issue league-wide this year. Yeah Jason and Jamie I do believe Adam is here. So go ahead and pop in. But yeah, I totally agree with y'all. On. By Gas Yeah. Okay What Is it working? K. And sweaty. See this is what I was talking about why we didn't do the show yesterday. while. I taught been acting funny because it's been so hot here lately. I'm sitting there laugh. But I see you. Should do. GonNa take a second. Apparently yeah. There we go. Obviously, the cabinet step. What is going on t j how you doing my friend chilling, chilling, chilling brother how you doing not too bad. Not too out of sometimes even the last cry you know job growth. To get. Pretty good. Excuse me on as always overheard you. Talk. Talking to the topic of Combo is. Still issue me. What was the topic of Combo beforehand and we're talking to drink. Well. Well. No Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just to get kind of just rehashed what I went over. Cow Shanahan on on one of his weekly press conferences this week essentially said he expects Alexander to be the starter at will. that. Guy We talked about it that that's what we assume. It would be going into next year will reevaluate that as we will have to make some, there will be some cab casualties are coming next season. we obviously sleep. We've hashed over many many times on releasing. Those will be that be a podcast for a different you know in the offseason but. You know I think that I was even saying. I even see packages where they bring in dry greenlaw. They just. Of course in nickel, you know where where you have Fred and Bank wants. Place I can see packages where. You know. They have probably maybe even put Fred Warner? On the sideline I mean I must say that that's GonNa happen you just. With the way I've always heard it and all the coaches of always talked about those three positions are so changeable. That you know. We knock on wood as we say this but I I think we're blessed with Fred Ward hasn't missed a games as far as I know in his career. And A. Free. Their hell. I just see. That's why we're good already done would but of course in. This twenty twenty season, we do not know what can happen Richard Sherman on a press conference talked about how? This year the to. BE SURPRISED IF THE LIONS WHEN And when I say I wouldn't be surprised to what is would it not I think the lies have that rate of being. But they could just be the treatments the healthiest. Over the course of the season, you know that's the teams happens players stay disciplined to stick to the protocols of the of the League's forest not going out retaining social distancing. You know. To just touch on across sports reference I'm the happened with the Cleveland Indians. With their situation as far as I'm having to players hope. Started with the MARLINS and all that. I totally get what you're saying, what would happen if all of sudden. Let's get together to throw a party Jimmy Jeez House and some. I mean he is a single guy some. Girls come over as symptomatic I mean what they're going. To. Be. I mean. I mean tests are not that direct also awesome ideas like imagine if you're able to test somebody cool. You're good but obviously, we're not that far the future maybe maybe maybe one day maybe next year two years I don't know. I totally get your point in. Which I team? Yeah I mean especially. If you live in the bay area and we all know things over there or not that good I'm sure you guys have progress. Some is deathly nothing mess out there I mean like. NATO just came off the watch list, for example, so I'm not going to say. You know like last time with things did open up I'm not gonNA say hey, go ahead and go crazy because obviously that's kind of what happened along with further testing. We won't get too deep into that but I totally get your going and yeah, they gotta be careful and Shannon was even pretty much captain obvious about it to saying. It's it's pretty much up to you and what can get at any time. So He's pretty much sayings watch your shit everybody knows suitable of bus mentality this upcoming season over many years to come. So everybody better be on their game. You know I think that and you know we're kind of burying the lead here. Obviously the biggest news of the week is a George kittles contracts, and of course we're discussed. detail. Nearly, happened member the. Way I. Think. And so. Just, this this clear point is. Went on. And talked about how? This year and and how he was disappointed that we didn't grab the championship last year. Of It for obvious reasons. 'CAUSE you know Steve. Swing all that you know he's not out. But I think it's very clear. WHO'S You know I've never anytime I've watched I'm Steve Young broadcasted. He's. I would never say that he's a homer I would think. It's clear that he has affiliating before the niners. Critical at the. upper no. So He obvious. If anything maybe he was low key metric how champion and that's why you said we should've one obviously I'm not going to directly blame it on. Shanahan's we've all been through that one I'm sure this. Guy. He was. Like dropping a little hand one, it's like, no shit. We should. I mean everyone wanted that. Yeah. Yeah Everybody actually, it was funny I talked to she's Fan on today at Burger King this morning. is just happened to walk in and I know. Yeah. Mysterious Patrick Mahomes Jersey anyway. So we were discussing and everything like that he himself says look Patrick we won because homes is frigging amazing. It can make throws that. No other human on this planet could possibly make. And caught some breaks now you know. I couldn't get him to come out and say, yeah, posted all held. Yeah. Jimmy should've been around. them out and say that, but he did admit look we caught some breaks you know and I said Okay I said that's probably what the table to me at times. I. Two translation almost. turned. Yeah. No I did. And nine. Didn't was stealing I just grabbed it a walkout. I, have. Yeah I E HYPOCRITE Adams tables were turned to the niners, the brakes and will not super bowl that I probably would say accepting I'd say, Hey. Maybe. I was GONNA say. I'm a data guy if if we did get kind of favored on calls and stuff like that, it'd be like, yeah man and totally sucks you know what? I mean I understand all. I'm Kinda guy because I don't like bullshit person. Around the boards we all saw we also everything unless you're once again, one of those oblivious seems fans where you just don't want anything 'cause you think champion is going to be tainted like do it's done you have the ring, you won the trophy but like when I talk. Tonight after the Super Bowl when I went out to other bars obviously. Walk Getting over the Hump You know my. Bag in some more drinks to be honest I wasn't driving but To me, you know what I mean like. I. Don't think be willing Scott and you know what? I mean. They were totally honest about maybe they were feeling good. They're like, yes will we take it but they were honest to me that same night it was. It was appreciate full also. Like ear. Yeah. If the answer fifty years one and I would. How? I'm look at the twenty five years of the nineties not winning a rate. I'm not apologizing. When you know going out this year we get the job done i. don't care what it is. I'm not gonNA come on that Tuesday or that day of the parade and we're going to do a live show. You know. I. We'll set that up. Bro You know I don't care if we dig into savings and got sheets gas money whatever we got the. Show. You know what I'm saying and look I'll come out there. Yeah. Buy. Things you Jewish. We. Together, we will be drunk on camera and we're GONNA have amazing power, and the reason we're going to do that is because it's been since we were. Twenty six years now. You know what? I'm saying I belkin apologize after twenty six years I can't imagine. Chose to the point that I was originally trying to get to was He talked about how this would be the year. That is okay. Was it a one year one? Are we legitimately like we both feel. And a championship under now, we both do that we've discussed. The reasons why do I think that we are, and that's one of the reasons I'm excited. But before we bury the lead anymore. Fifteen mill. Too much detail. Just the right pro. Seem. Like he was A. Wise I definitely think. So I mean once again, we argue last week that was what Michael Irvin kind set fifty million dollars like I can see for more just for everything that he does out but I think that's part of negotiating an it totally new I. Mean I've been through this game you've been through this game for a long time I mean when they say contract extensions or not close new conjures. Not closed in all that, let's negotiate it. You probably ask for nine, hundred, million I more the fore knowledge are GONNA keep trying to not necessarily nickel and dime on this. That's just part of negotiations work at the end of the day I. Think Everyone's happy with fifty million and we can all move the hell on. He's happy when he wants to get we need such an pouring year we needed an. Overblown happy motivated George kibble that's going to go out of his way to do everything. Probably win a championship because what how much money the guarantees It's only. In case of injury, which will happen. We've seen what he can do even walls word. For million for? WAS OTHER Three. Thirty. I think he gets an extra tim. If I'm not mistaken somebody wants to correct me I think turns he gets an additional tab gets. None of that. But a great deal. Great deal. Not. Much else you can say especially the. More were now. But with the injury of Jalen hurt I mean I wouldn't be surprised if somebody likes ordinary now all of a sudden getting some big slot further snaps you know like. I mean we just signed three years, which is just nuts. I mean, we talked about it. We all know John. J. J Nelson Excuse me JJ digital ellison. Brown from the SEAHAWKS which I. Watch the seahawks lingerie. Some. He always makes them like little place. He didn't healing two hundred, I wanNA. States. Wasn't it you him I want. Him. That caught. A third like crucial third down and the game. At Li Bai's last year probably. Wall. I remember that name popping in my head on a crucial down that the. Ten. Here for the Wilson you seem like the low key wide receiver. He'll got the good matchups of like the bottom of the barrel of the corner I'm not gonna say nickel dime see rod no exactly what could be it's always like Russell trusted up just to make those little plays and obviously we know about the scrambling Bill Abbott He's he's he's a good training camp body at worse. Like, the move obviously we're all low key, Kinda SAT Jalen I was just thinking I was like man he took over all those deebo type of snapped around versus wedding slants and things like that arts to It's obviously too bad but I obviously not would run first team play action teams I think we'll be fine but it's definitely opens up opportunities for somebody like Dante Pettis for example, we already knew reason if if Donte doesn't go out there and especially the maybe the first x amount of games at depots out I don't know what to say. But if I was Dante, it'll be like this is almost God's calling for me like every opportunities. Open. Born we talked that can report last week so. I mean. Guys step up obviously in the. Trend Taylor should be the automatic slot guy. Now with less competition around you know will, after all these injuries, Jordan Reed gets the big slot It's the big slot type of science I mean it's definitely can work, but obviously blocking has to be top notch but were around I and play oxygen anyways. So I'm not worried but a cardinals first week it's definitely going to be tough I. mean they almost beat us. I think that we're missing. Skin. Come to Jalen Hurd the versatility. Essentially having a tight end being able to essentially. Tied in the backfield and having run. The ball or widened wild house field or Just a unique skill that not everybody's going to. Now as far as jalen hurts ability as either. I think. I'm confident with. Being able to. Combat some of that. Obviously no, his forty. Was it the greatest obviously his games not? A speed game, but that's fine. I just. All. Over in just. Go. That that's all I need. A speed. They with. Some more money they win with physicality. Yeah. Just separation using their big. Ankle was even the biggest guy, but he's still created us. But Jennings is Kinda like a saint kind of attributes but he does have the bigger body with a bigger catch radius where he could be able to create even a little further I mean we all know they say football can be a game bench couple inches can be the difference making a catcher and getting out the the fence back break of audience. So. You know what I heard about couples. Richer hennion having some of the middle number one and number four. Five. Yeah. Sorry you cut out. I was just GonNa say maybe even a couple of inches can be the difference between another one seat in the five seat. Say maybe the the difference between. Cutting out I could see. Your. It'd be the difference between the one. Seed in the five seat. You don't. Diesel doesn't matter went by an inch or mile. You know a win is a win. Yeah I think you're still good letters. In audubon Yup. Injury now to and obviously deebo policy most likely I think depots guaranteed the first week and then we're planning much playing it by ear after that But we all know how great of a Freedom Pass catcher and even this little I mean I'm not gonNA say he's up frequent CBA route runner but I've seen him run routes lined up on the line of Scrimmage I. Think Jake McKinnon with Jalen hers injury can have some of those depot snaps where he does it goes for a little jet motion can have a screen off of that or or I think I literally see jerk McKinnon ransom slant as he looks pretty much almost as good as a wide receiver doing it so I mean thank. God We got cal out right getting creative team on. The roster maybe he just for the fact of those, he literally takes on Austin and Diba Depots bigger. But there. I was GONNA say they almost had the same potty tight but except obviously that was a lot thicker but you know he could run those around and enough of that do a little screen and all that. I just think we can. We have like I said, we can have a couple guys kind of doing the same kind of things It's going to be interesting. In a more a little more expect to see a little won't only be the biggest deal. Or I don't know. Jim Maisy. Biggest. Deal is. The. Ability. To allow as many varieties of. Versatile hypoc skill sets a bench. I think. The kids know this because she knows exactly what he wants. And the reason I think the deliver Jehan situation works because Alshon Shanahan knows exactly what he wants and jaw. Lynch knows exactly how to get him what he wants. You know. The great negotiator could off on getting Trent Williams for a third of a fifth and a third you know. Hey, we need a left tackle how I want. Williams. Knows my. Probably, if we could Joe Staley with the buddy probably retract Williams Don Lynch Yeah Okay we'll get it a guy like Him I. Love, the receivable. Every. because. Nobody. Say I'M WE KNOW DEPOT? We know Brennan we. I would definitely be shocked if Kendrick born didn't make the team. You know I'd be curious to see who makes it over him. You know. We're. Pretty? Con. Two hundred percent. Is Starter I one of the two spots. Like I'll the year that we're. I think we're going to. Lose Kendrick four next share and I don't think it's going to be killed. We don't want him I. Think he's just to be because some other team comes up and says, Hey. You can be our number two. It just you know you can be our our our number two right right? Yeah. Only way I can see we're just say. Let's just say he has another. Mediocre year, but we all know is red zone ability and he has Jimmy's trust on on moving the chains on third downs and in the red zone. So it's going to be very interesting to see Kinda year he has at what kind of money you'll be able to get in the market were then he decides what exactly do I want do? He's from Washington exactly and. Yeah you know seeing them. In symphony, northwest. Think. McAfee go the boundary of various Seattle. Give Very Seattle thing to do. You know. How? But you know I, it does to the point is. To get to the point I. Love the ability that the the cream is going to rise to the top. and. I know we continue to say this and we said this last year loan. Behold we ended up having to trade receiver. I. Believe that we're going to be. We're going to cut some receivers. that. Either have a res- a legitimate resume NFL resume. Save on Austin. Tavon Austin. I anyway. Resume. Like him that maybe Dave on yeah. I on. Table, and it's like a Madam player that you can use better than Manan. But once again, you have Kyle Shanahan who made someone like Taylor Gabriel and that's we're not gonNA, get into that. Why would they didn't get him I thought I would have been awesome fit but we have. If you think about it with the loss of depot I feel like now, the optimistic size of four hundred fences without Deebo, it's like. I feel like the opposing defense now cal and can be able to do all these different things where like now they're the divas can still be on their toes because you don't know exactly because. You. Very. Adema I'll give you that that's a valid point is the fact is, let's be realistic if nobody's hurt. And You have ability of you know every who reassumes GonNa make the roster. And stirred in seven game on the line in Arizona you know. Generally speaking as a ball's probably gonna go to either deebo Samuel Resorts. On Arizona's defense I'm saying. If You know everybody's available Ken Nineteen Number Eighty five obviously and We'll we'll take our chances with everybody else. You know. With this position you know like. Obviously George Channel taking him out who Who Are you? There? We're GONNA. Take a kid out this conversation who you to. I mean, yeah you could say trend. Taylor you know because him and I love the Taylor George Kendall Jimmy thing going on where you know Bad. It's A. It's a pretty. Bonding and building, and in building a really this further and. You want to go harder for the other person when you're better friends we all know that crap and then you're better fresh. Near the person and ask more of them because there's a little more than, hey, we're just kinda coworkers. You know what I mean it's like. This. Big Goals. If the biggest argument in our football team ever is who is Jimmy's favorite target. Then I think calcium hand will gladly take that the biggest drama that he has. In franchisees. Don't forget about me what we did at twenty seventeen big bug, a I I think that. I seek the ability is be able to have a trend Taylor who's obviously a different skillset than a Jordan Reed Bene- George Kit. Then you have a Dante who let's give him props Believe it was yesterday. At his best practice some people that I reached out to that were at practice I'm said that it was one of his best practices that they have seen. As a pro. You know that. So it was. With a hand physical. He got he got physicals apparently he's apparently he's pissed off from all the chatter and once again I think he knows this is his best opportunity to gain what he did in eighteen especially when somebody like Brandon I you breathing down his neck when Kenji contract year he's trying to get. A. Veteran wide receivers on team got Joe Rookie Hunter like John Jennings So it's Your. Urine eleven personnel okay. you got to receivers on the field the way the couch in Ans- these that scenario and who those two receivers are most of the time or the future is brandon I you can depot saying. I think it's pretty clear that those are you know are starting to receivers going into the future as the plan is now the. As the forest duck. Already of ill battle, even am I the third receiver. Receiver erm I often am I if sticks or my team? You know and. I think. It's okay. I don't think it's never been a question of talent Dante. I think that anybody who watched him in twenty eight seen Know clearly saw that there was talent and I think that August in a season with Onta- is you know that Pittsburgh game, he made the game winning play. You know I know because I was able crabgrass from Actually the next, very next game. Two weeks later, I was able to grab grass from the spot he caught the touchdown. I was able to pick some. You know able to give access. It's at my storage right now so Ital-. has never been an issue. It's it's the shoulders. I think it was added to think Dante's Rat. In a lot of situations were watching. I remember watching video of him interacting. With is that is taken them. Of course, being a coach of the Houston Astros I. I. Think it was on an honors by week. You came in and he was. In the batting cages and everything and trying to Dante's dash trying to give him instructions on choke on the bat or display. You know find on his I know he's just giving them. And I could see like you know what? I'm not surprised that he's struggling. You Know I. showed up I think it was or a Brat. Grew Up. With group, with rich parrot. That's okay. I'm not. I'm not judging Dante has a man much. That's okay and so I, really think is as needed to be done. When you're at being a father I, know this my daughter of a minority world spoiled the hell out of my. When she starts to I remember one time. She made the unfortunate mistake of telling her mother. While the niners losing to the giants Game Smith came back from his is or suspension. I made the unfortunate mistake to say that pretty much. She could act however the hell she wanted. Get pressing. I've. Christmas. Present from her father. And I had let her know at a very aggressive better that she. She didn't. She didn't get a present for Christmas that year. And guess what my daughter's been a perfect angel. Every time has come around Christmas she learned her lesson. Down the Super Bowl and that was the equipment of my daughter not getting presents on Chris was Dante being sat not active. And now the. DOT His lesson took his medicine matured a little bit. I mean what is probably only twenty three, twenty, four years old right. Now, I'm thirty four and I'm still maturing. Second Year? After US That's so. I respect what you're. I totally get where you're coming from. My two cents in that I've I've always said kind going to last year I. Think was he's always been such dominantly athletically gifted where he never. Earned name because it was flat out obvious that he's the best that he's what he's does. conceiver. So all the way to Washington and he's obviously a Rossa was Kinda. Thinner twenty eighteen. So he didn't get playing time right away at twenty, one, thousand, nine, hundred, we draft people and stuff obviously he he race the competition he wasn't quite as physical as the other guys saw cal Shannon is like well, why should I give you opportunities when you're not feeding exactly the mold of what I'm kind of asking twenty eighteen was different. You had a solid rookie year a build off of that and instead he didn't embrace a competition and you got. The good old saying he calls himself on the eight ball and do. Going to bring up this point just because we drafter brandon I you I seen this I'm GonNa talk about the ultimate way. Once again, having a semi optimistic in semi different idea is just because we draft the wide receiver and the personnel with Brandon out you especially with this type law season I've seen plenty of times in every sport mostly like basketball and football where just because you drafted him first wife Sieber that can that can land. Owners somebody else but somebody else emerging that doesn't mean that just because he was a first round receiver, he's automatically get to play I mean, for example, like I'm not saying the broncos several years ago several several years ago they drafted Bradley Roby in the first round. He didn't really get to play that much unless it went to Nichols. He wasn't a starting wide receiver from the get go. So he so just because you're a first round I. At certain position doesn't like it doesn't I'm not GonNa say it means something. But once again, we all know guys can emerge further and xy no. The for that first round pick has wait a little bit and make the most of his opportunity and that's a great thing I'll. Go to niner history. Goes I. It's look the the idea of. The red carpet just rolling out for or Brandon I you. Is that that's not necessarily what I'm saying I. Obviously, I know like, for example, there's been go back to twenty, and this is obviously not receivable. Go back to the Oh five draft the best player taken in the best nine player taking the two thousand, five draft was Frank Gore. We. All agree to that. I think there's no question love Alex by the way big shoutout to Alex Keaton serves around the applause and I'm so happy to see him back in his comeback. Last time I interacted with Alex. personally, it was kind of a Dick Amount GonNa lie but you know. It's off guard. Will you know? You know what? Yeah you know. Everybody could be a Dick I know that the Allison's when I first met him Alex Smith that not only stopped came back and took a picture of me but then said, hey, what's my baby? Mama was a picture to win you know China's dude and whatever. So that's fine I love Alex Smith. So happy that he's back on the field I hope he goes out and. You know, I hope we beat them in the NFC championship game. You. Know. and. But Fray, Gore was the best player. Five job didn't it was? The Third Route Joe Montana the greatest player in franchise history was taken to the third round. Nobody knows who the hell you took a night Well, most people don't even remember we didn't even have a first round pick picking seventy nine. So you know that's not the point and. Get back to your point I agree with you with Dante is. I think he was hot stuff in two thousand eighteen. I think I and let's not forget. He had early success in that Vikings game. You know he got that Nice touch down and you know all has had okay Dante Oak. and. So he came into twenty, eight, nine, eight, nineteen with you tally of always been good on the NC Double A. Recordholder for return kickoffs. I have great rookie season. It's just GonNa be the same old same old like it's been my whole life and he got a cold dose reality. Thinking all expect last off-season for Donte where he seems to be. Receiver. I did too. Yeah. Yeah we would. I'm pretty sure if you pull up every show, we did for blast off season we probably have mentioned on on. talked. About ride receivers, we mentioned Dante of being a big contributes to the receiving corps last year I will say this though I will say. My point of I you is like, Hey, pump the brakes y'all that was my point at all. Like I would have done if Dante pet once again, that was a good. That was a good sign yesterday for me. It's like take advantage yet and I do think I'm not going to say it's going to be a blessing with evil. We all know with a short off season how how crucial snaps and everything is and I heard you talk about early about more soft. Tissue, injuries and all that because. The lack conditioning. I think that's that's more. So everything being so contacted you like fast forward the video when the video was meant to play. The video, all of a sudden went through three times a speed it's like. Are. You going to enjoy the? Is it going to be the same? Brain. because. It's such a short season. I wasn't sure exactly how fast is GonNa come along with devils injury that opens up a lot more snacks for him now, and especially with Jalen rose injury too. So it could be a blessing in disguise where he'll be able to get up to speed up further up because now he has. Naps so it could work for everyday. Expect. And the early part of the year I expect Dante Pettis being. This is third season to be ahead of bird. I. I expect that he should be on the field ahead of Brian Brian I. You know if you even look over the fact of you know it just being here and having somewhat I, think there was a camera I want to say chemistry. Yeah. Let's say for like a better word chemistry issue. Everybody. Of course knows about the five pick practice in Last. Training camp for Jimmy Garoppolo when nobody talks about is so overlooked, all five of those pigs came when he was targeting Dante. And so you know clearly there was a disconnect. Him. Engine. Is lost some Jimmy's off probably lost confident or Jimmy enchanting party both lost a little confidence in what game was it. I. Remember somebody making the comment of saying they read his lips and he had I believe it was the Seattle game. And Dante had dropped a pass or gotten tip to pick or something and Jimmy snapped office instead not fucking get. You know and so clearly was a disconnect between Dante and Jimmy and let's not. I don't want to throw Dante Pettis into the fire. I don't WanNa say he's off the team. Will he be a contributor? Yes I do expect him to be contributed our contributor to this team. especially early on the season I expect Kendrick born and on say pettus. And Z.. Veteran for lack of better words received. Their good to the top guys. I own personal opinion I mean obviously there's put aside. So you have orange. Yeah. I'd hate this damn camera born pettus. Obviously I. You can trim Taylor in my opinion those are going to be obviously the lock and you have Deebo who's Mia right now, but you still got account for him. So then it becomes. Sieber spot. WHO'S GONNA be Janelle San came on. Austin. John Jennings on enough I'm forgetting somebody I. Don't think I am especially after Benjamin at retirement you James as. I'll he's not going to be automated. On even know what the time line is for him to be completely honest He said he was going to miss one. With German McKinnon Jerry King kind of count as a half wide receiver almost at sense so I can see us carry. Villeroy. Receivers. That's what probably I would do. Let's. Kirk McKinnon got hurt and twenty eighteen Kyle Shanahan essentially I do talk if he Jerick McKinnon was brought here to be a focal point of this offense I mean are we going to get about ten frigging Alfred Moores? Who looked chill in preseason? He frigging fumbles twice against the Vikings he he possibly Austin's the opportunity to win that game. You know along with a few other things that we already know about but attack. Street is my point. Is that that? The hand is a coach who believes in business football. So we'll Jerick McKinnon lineup in slot this year out wide. Yeah he probably will if. He can prove that he has ability to do it still. You know after you know two knee surgeries he from everything I've heard. He's looked amazing. Know looks looks like he didn't twenty eighteen or. Good surprised and he is obviously. A, jury, it's like if you don't get A. Simple fact is that let's let's not get it twisted. This man does not go through what he went through. Okay. You do not blow your knee out once right battle bat those you all the Rehab. All that saying okay. You know getting over the mental hurdle. Your start you're a starter on an NFL team, your dream realized. The week before you're gonNA, start practice leading to that game you blow out any. You get over that mental or you do all the Rehab Comeback Twenty, nineteen, shut it down Nother d surgery. Then you come back from that mental hurdle and battle all this off season. You can't do that unless you love the game of football you don't do that unless you love what you did. You know, and so forget this has a college degree. I understand he can't go make millions of dollars in the NFL, but he can go get a job like you can go make a living. On. Got A pretty chill amount of guaranteed to. Magli. So Jerry candidate is fine. He could walk away from football today and him and his grand kids and grandkids probably don't have to work day in their lives or if they do they're setup ahead where they're going to have a start be fine. He's doing it. So he's simply motivated in a contract year, of course, money motivates all of us. But also just typically up the fact, he hasn't played football in two years and he's battled back to get to this point where he can plays him. As always Jeff League, it'll be motivated to show people hey, I can do it. And so I kind. I. Be Fine. Yeah I think we're going to be fine. I think that you know overall everything's GonNa be okay. We will have a productive offense. We are GONNA, be able to move the ball. I think. So I'm for the never that's for damn sure especially going in. Obviously we're taking. We're technically the home team right from mistaken against China. Yeah Yeah technically the home team. It's GonNa matter onions going to be a frigging. GonNa matters they're gonNA have to travel to us which is which is Only Arizona. Advantages that but Arizona is a stack offense second year in the system. IS GOING TO BE A. Great Battle Man and and I can see I can see going either way I'm not GonNa, wants to get. It's not about being in if I think obviously, we are going to be the favorite in that game but tell me we lose us going to be the biggest wake up call for the year that everyone's GonNa come even further everyone already played a subdivision already plays you tough but. Yeah. Promised, yesterday you start Chris. Kingsbury is telling and that week for preparation. If they have already started to talk about us or whatever. Kingsbury is going to his players. He's not talking about if we you know he's talked about we're GONNA win this game. He's talked about I. Guarantee You. He's already said. He's pointed out probably several place in both games last year that if they stop one play. They probably win those games. You. Know. If Ross, dwelling doesn't catch that pass and that they're down is not converted. Arizona had the momentum and that Halloween game? At. That point. Is. How many times have we seen in that stadium? There, Fitzgerald on a game nine or should've won. In overtime or last seconds catching up. fucking touch down to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Y- How many times have we seen that and the game that we clearly should have what? That was washed away from happening I. Believe. I believe that's one player from happening. Just as easily as I can say, we get off field at third and fifteen or we are super bowl champions. They stop us on that third down they win that game in. Arizona. I mean you know member Richie Take Lost this amount of games by this amount of total, it was like you know four five, six games within four or or say. Like Bel Air, it's like it's One those X. amount of games now by that amount. So to me Arizona. Is it seemed look if if. To, Seattle threat yesterday will be because of Russell Wilson. Fine I think they're you know Isaiah legit championship contending team no. But I think yeah they can. They can take the division. Advantage this year and I think that's that hurts. Does you know that is something I haven't thought about that but let's just be realistic. A Seattle is going to be there. You know, Elvis, shock if they're not there. Every year you now as much as we want to say, we kill the last one. This show Bro we say that they're going to be a know. They always find a way to be there the end. You know and that's what you gotta give him. Props. We're over the days of. The rivalry KINDA BACK ESSENTIALLY A. You Start Respecting something even that you don't even love or like. You know you gotta you gotta tip your hat to once again to Russell Wilson Pete Carroll Their Schneider he doesn't giraffe that well but they always find those low key guys those undrafted guy elite round guys at always end up contribute even. Well on top of the draft but a year and is this all? They were right there dig Russell Wilson. There'd be. If you told me hey, would you rather have Jimmy Russell I'd say Jimmy. You Tell Me Yeah If you would tell me. If you would tell me, hey, Jimmy's the equation. Would you take Russell over you know treaty much almost any QB FOR A. For for one year. I probably go through a couple of quarterbacks were I might. discuss. Over having Russell. Over If you said that you could have them for the same amount Jimmy retired you have them for the same amount of money the same turn length to contract that you have Jimmy. Would I be mad if the niners did that? No. Okay. That's fine. He's a freak of nature can do things that nobody else can. They're. Becoming like the list that much on the NFL top one hundred lists Russell Wilson rape ahead of Patrick. Mahomes S. and. Supposedly, the players make it but. I feel that there's some behind the go. I'm on. Rates. But. Everyone is biased reporting for themselves. They vote for their homes I don't I don't really care. And it's a swear look at it is. You know. Eric Davis on the believe in forty niners podcast talks about how they come up with the NFL one hundred because he was part of that. You know and so. I can't remember exactly how it's done and I don't remember the episode Pajau can go ahead and search the believe in forty hundred podcast. I really do enjoy it is actually a really good podcast 'cause I love. The perspective of Eric. Davis. and. So and I love it he's just he tells it as it is that he says, look player. This is how it is. So I love that you know because nobody can argue because he went through it but anyway. Sin Coaches are amazing I honestly believe that there they. They will get the best of Iraq roster. Would I take? Carol HCT CONCERT No. Would I take be careful over bill belichick no. What I even take bill the. He care over Doug Peterson. Now. Because to me always comes down to this and look this could even be a Shanahan issue, Andy? Reid. For years was talked about how he was a choke coach that can win the big game and everything like that. But how do you? Send me and and going back to our original point they were talking about the Super Bowl. Tonight's caught a huge. Last year in Seattle. To me. The fact that you are so disorganized trying to get marshawn Lynch on the field you know. So it's be smell it and all that to win the game was vision and he didn't have his helmet on and you can't call it an all that chaos. That costs you the Division that's on coaching. I'm looking at peak. Carroll for that. I'm looking at. You I. Guess You do but I do think in that particular instance is Pete Carroll Does Rely Offensive Coordinator Lot. So I think that was the kind of thing where they weren't properly that that guy wasn't just lose everything. So to me. I don't really have. As great coach. Is a great motivator who gives the best. Out of his roster. And when he was in the Building. Had the ability. To have the probably one of the best quarterbacks in the. League. I think sightly overrated. And I do think Russell Wilson's a little bitch but. Just, for various personal reasons but. When All right. Looks like lost Tj over here for a second. This point I don't really have too much say we're at the one hour and ten minute mark. So, palliative wrapping up the show right now not sure if teachers GONNA ended up back on balances. Born ten chances. IDEA. Just, drop off basically to get to my point and I think we're going to. Get. Born. Yeah. Only slightly more light but your point, my friend and I agree with you Jason Yeah he's the guy that just makes he makes made those big kinda crucial moving plays. So it's going to be interesting to see someone like him can make the roster I think I think the last number six while receiver spots Mike Gut. Feeling. Is GonNA come down to Jj Nelson or joon genyk smile personal opinion because judge Nelson's burner type. That can kind of replace someone like to win and Travis Benjamin if you win a retired I, definitely would have made the roster say definitely about like you had a great great chance if not So last year she was by mile personal opinion is gonNA. Come down to Jj Nelson because he's more pure the team on Austin I mean team on since he's been known as a gadget guy literally since he got drafted by the rams. Another another another Cavallo's utilizing opposite a little better. But my gut is on Jayjay nells enjoying jennings who put a gun in my head. I just don't know if we'll be able to stash John Jennings but I like feeling something like Joji Nelson more on the roster than John Jennings has number six hundred Cedar. As much as we want. Because we need we need earn. So I think Nelson's GonNa win the number six by. Car. I say jennings just because I. Think they go was the drafted player. You know he might. Go with. Yeah and and. To good to stash and look when when Jennings was first drafted I said this is Jalen Hurd Insurance. You know and I think elbow to me. He ended up following a little further than. Concerns. Everybody from Tennessee. Loved them. It's like well Awada. He Fall if you was if it was like what? Worst character concerns is characters concerns was he stands up for his teammates and doesn't take nobody's shit. In the past. I, kind of got the role reason why? They coming back and playing it looks like, Tennessee. Abrasive. I I I really don't know why he I don't know I mean someone must have got some type of dirt on number some crap in it and might not even be full related. It could be hate around on crowd or or some stupid shit. I mean honestly speaking who the hell knows. It could be the fact that he was eighteen nineteen years old when this happened. you know what I, if everybody held a gun to your head. Adam that now you're what years old. You know and. I just turned the big to be to August seven. Up So oh happy birthday breath. Oh. Yeah. I. Remember seeing birthday deep I know so. Anyway. Okay. So Hey, go explain something you said ten years ago at twenty two. You know what? I'm saying I bet you. I bet you things at twenty. I'm thirty four years old and there's something I, regret doing at twenty nine. Literally. As effectively to this day and you know what it was stupid I was dumb I should've never done it but guess what? Why do I alerted stupider? I haven't done it since and learned my lesson because I did face those consequences lack cosby learned my lesson. So guess what I had type of situation now right? Exactly. Anytime you know. Learning. Or this old never forgive you four I'm definitely the type of person. and. Yeah I mean I'm going to say thirties a cutoff line on speaking. On. Mistake in how have you responded to it in the next year or two for example, are you continue to? Lead or have you looked at all the good pattern I think that's what it should come down to in life I mean. It's not a dog where binds somebody. So you always going to be scared if you bite somebody again. Yeah. And let's be realistic. It's it's the seventh round pick. And so you know you're not. It's not like taking you know trading up and getting Reuben foster you know who was risk. I'm not going to criticize the team because I literally jumped up and down and said, we drafted the next project Willis. I'm not, GonNa to for the niners for taking that risk. But yet that was more of a risk. This is a fly on the seventh round draft choice. A seventh round pick. Honestly probably was probably was one of the highest. Highest Rated players on our board. Every surprised James was the highest rate of play on our last. You GonNa go. Yeah exactly. Exactly. Almost like kind of like to have a plan and they kind of know what they're doing obviously not predicting that. The one interesting to me. And this is the twist that I think happens and you brought it up with Austin being a gadget player for most of his career and. After this even though we might need. Is exactly because let's let's say what was essentially Richie James Ritchie James's a gadget player with some some returnability was traveling Austin. A gadget player with some returnability the maybe can give you more than than you know the occasional. Bubble screen or or some type of gadget play. and. So to me Trayvon Austin is look does Ritchie James Getting a camp? And you know can can he be healthy enough to show something you know in camp? and. If so can beat out a veteran. I'm? Not GonNA and. I guess. Number six, but I can definitely wants against the on awesome making it just for the similar. Abi Us kind of like Attila Gabriel I mean, let's be honest on Austin as fast. So he can be it can be a reverse it could be a toss it that could be from the screen member the member the play where Deibel runs the river skipping also believe week to. What was I think he came off a reverse a jet sweep or whatnot he didn't get the ball. Ends up going out for screener has a has a hell of a game. So I can see Table Austin do something like that, and then literally known for. Like you can go down. He can run a slant like. He could be accurate. Anything. Number six wide receiver where he does give you those kind of little girls kind of thing he. He definitely can He definitely has the ability to run very fast Kurt Line. Maybe, they do I mean I think to keep awful running backs don't you Gerege Jeff Wilson Pavement Coleman and He's. Dropped a guy. Oh what you got court Komen. Most Out of All four have to. Yeah I don't I don't. Yanks maybe. Maybe they tried to cut Jeff Wilson Junior and. Almost made him. Do you remember? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So last year the Super Bowl we had four is the running backs and we're not. So I mean, look a run first run first team. And and to wrap up. A run. First team. Design surprise me has four running backs in it ain't funny. How can we use all four? In some various type of form last year obviously we saw on. Look. Do we. Do we go to the Super Bowl. With out the performances of MOSTER teva common. Yeah, is it a little bit Harrier? Most, definitely, you know and. As far as receiver injuries and everything, and we'll go ahead and wrap it up after this. It doesn't matter if if we're going to run the goal down people's throats if it like we did in the in the playoffs, he knows. It also helps and you need less receivers where if you're able to get four yards, five yards of. So you know. That's another way to sue. Add. To negate the. The Injuries at receiver run the ball down people's throats and. and. Pounded away to super bowl. Super, bowl appearance like last year. All right. Well. WE'RE GONNA go ahead and. We're GONNA get. Outta here my phone's yelling at me. The tablets show that me but WE'RE GONNA go ahead and catch you again next week. In case everybody I know a lot of people weren't here when I announced it in. Adam has announced it as of August seventh. Myself and a couple of people got together and we're GONNA be making the. Home, podcasting network so not her faithful radio will be the power of a professional podcast network. We're going to be getting in marketing and some things that are definitely going to be able to help the show. We're going to hopefully be able to do a more professional. Setup in and get some professional equipment up in here and stuff like that but We'll talk more about it off air bre. You know there's some things that I ask you about but Yeah, we're definitely going to be looking forward to that. We'll. We'll of course, they'll be on youtube and all that. But we'll see all week last week any any last words you have, Adam? Not at all I don't know. I well, we'll see next week. On a forty niner seat and whatever is able to get I've noticed a beat writers, which is Kinda. Cool. They did give him a little form Max obviously they can't be at all. It, kind of hinders obviously Some. Of the video making but. I think we're GONNA be allowed at all to be honest I'm surprised the. Team and the team is doing daily. The live look ins right doing hot lights. So we're able to catch some just. Something juices flowing. Please, stay patient with us. We understand that normally this time I'd be coming in from camp every day. So you'd get your daily training camp reports and I'd be able to tell you about things for practice unfortunately, public's not allowed to go and your boy doesn't have media credential which with the podcast network you know the. They require you to work for network that covers more than the. NFL. So you know. Who knows maybe you? Maybe you might see your boys on the sideline. Up In the press box Nada Game. So you're saying. I mean. Lawyers and Lakers match-ups next year to be honest I'll bro I have to say Jeez a mean that I that I play boy who has actually a warriors fan but this mean. In good humor but I I had added steal it from him after last night. Bro, hug. No no no. No. I. See your next week till. Then fave love and happiness. Go, niners. I. Thank you everybody either.

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Episode 45: Later Round Hits and Misses

Establish The Run

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Episode 45: Later Round Hits and Misses

"UNDO has though. Welcome to episode forty five of the official stabbed run. Dot Com podcast Alabama and one of the cofounders. Here at each yar and as I do each and every week I'm joined by legend himself fellow. Etr CO-FOUNDER THEBAN. What's going on by what's going on man. Today we're GONNA be talking about some season-long hits and misses looking back on the year of Twenty nineteen yen as I mentioned in the last episode. I do think there's significant value in looking back. Now that we're here in February the seasons behind us looking back seeing what we got right what we got wrong and more importantly why anything that we can learn from that going forward in the meantime please go to his office. Run DOT COM. Check out what we have going there. We have three content about free agency by Evan. We have xfl stuff which are team are xfl. Team is putting a ton of time and effort into have depth charts. We have the show on Thursday night and we have our top plays in tears so go ahead and check that out but what we want to do today again. We're GONNA look guys that went roughly in the Or we had in the seventh round or later and see why right and what went wrong. And I want to start with sixty seventh overall in Evans. Final Top one. Fifty was Patrick. Mahomes and it was very controversial. Very controversial. It opened a lot of people is that did not have passion for home as the QB. One Evan had deshaun Watson as qb one. And I think you know. I I think most sharp people understood that mahomes third round eighty was like absurd right. It was publicly German By people who don't understand like the relative value of quarterbacks in one quarterback fantasy leagues but even sharp people did not have a didn't have Detroit Watson Me One or they almost all Patrick Mahomes Q. One in terms of finish a fantasy points per game it was Lamar Jackson. I the Shawn Watson Second Dak Prescott Third Matthew Stafford Fourth Russell Wilson Fifth in the patron homes. All the way down at six now. I I think in fairness mahomes people say dislocated knee Tyreek was hurt for a bit but to me that's all part of regression right like in twenty eighteen. He got the nut game scripts for stats. Yeah perfect health. That's all part of the various that comes with having this massive outlier season. That's all in the game so I guess what I'm trying to say looking back. I think Patrick Mahomes was right for a regression. I still would have had him as the quarterback one but as you can see you know. He can fall down to quarterback six and it's also close at quarterback. Let's Talk About Patrick. Mahomes Toy Nineteen Season Evan and his outlook going forward and we can make the playoffs into this. He was surly awesome. Awesome Awesome In the playoffs. So what do you think about Patrick? Mahomes twenty nineteen going forward. Damning injuries are definitely a part of regression especially in the violent sport that we cover Attic mahomes was healthy in two thousand eighteen. He got banged up and twenty. Nineteen Shawn Watson was banged up in two thousand eighteen. He was healthy. Twenty nineteen okay. So regression went both ways. That dream homes touchdown rate dropped from eight point six percent in two thousand eighteen to five point four percent in two thousand nineteen. So that's that's a really normal dropped. Five point four percent. By the way it's still a killer touchdown rate but you. That's that's you know right right exactly how we really should have expected it to go. You know this guy is not going to be throwing nine percent of his pass attempts for touchdowns for the rest of his career. You know and I think that we could see him move back up like into the six percent range or like six and a half percent in two thousand twenty but yeah I mean this was just a purely a regression based projection and It it worked out for for the readers and the subscribers the I thought one factor was Kansas. City's defense played better in a lot of that was opponent driven but over the last like six. Seven Games are so I mean. The defense played well and homes wasn't needed for forty attempts wasn't needed to throw for touchdown passes. That's all in the game. So that's all in the various also. In Twenty eight team homes was involved in so many of these wild shoot after couldn't get off the field led to these huge huge plays in huge games comes from home so it's all part of it Okay let's move to one where we were wrong and I was really excited about courtesy mill. I was on the Curtis Samuel Hype train A lot of other people were well with drove. Adp from like. I don't know twelve round to like at one point. He was going the seventh rounder. So I will say that. Maybe it was different. If Cam Newton stays healthy right because courtesy had unreal amount of air yards. He was ninth in the entire league in air yards. Kyle just could not hit him deep to save his life in. Maybe a Lotta that Song Kyle Allen. Maybe courtesy isn't as good as we thought in terms of catching balls in terms of winning the catch point deep down the field. So I'm really curious. What your take on. Courtesy him because it's super interesting. How much do think of courtesy meals? Disappointing season with quarterback play. How much do you do? You was courtesy of? Maybe isn't as good as we thought he was. The vast majority is court quarterback play in the way that he was used because he really wound up being stuck to the sideline while Dj more and Greg Olson where you know the high volume. High percentage guys running routes over the middle of the Christian. Mccaffrey of of course. So Curtis just played the lowest percentage position on the field among the panthers skill position players with a quarterback in Thailand that construction field. So I mean that that's the tale of the season. I there were some promising takeaways from season. He scored seven touchdowns scored seven touchdowns in back to back years. Now he's still really young. I mean that was his age twenty three season. He's going to be twenty four and in his fourth season. Entering his four season came out of our state as a redshirt sophomore. He was really really young yet. Nineteen rushing attempts for one hundred thirty yards and a touchdown you remember at Ohio State. He played quite a bit of running back And so just like to see him involved more in the running game. That's a kind of a low-key way guys like Robert. Woods and Cooper Cop Tyreek Hill that they can accumulate production. That isn't necessarily directly in the receiving call criticism still getting better man and he stayed healthy. He battled injuries in his first two seasons And his his production the arrows pointing up just did not take that monster leap that I think a lot of us were hoping that he would and then he might have taken it. If Cam Newton it stayed healthy shirt and I really hope because see Cam Newton a back on the field. How this year will see on that another one where? I was dead wrong on this eighth ninth round range for wide receiver was Marquess vow. Deaths gambling and You know I think a lot of this stems from Aaron Rodgers. Maybe overestimating where Aaron Rodgers is right like. I assume that Aaron Rodgers Kellyanne and will support multiple wide receivers. The bottom line is that when this thing gets closer to the end zone over the last couple of years extremely heavy I mean look at Aaron Jones usage around the goal line and then onto atoms is just like the only one in Aaron rodgers trusted Aaron Rodgers only thrown. Not that many touch. As fifty one touchdown pass over last two seasons eighteen of them devante Adam so in hindsight I think well first of all mark has vowed. The Skin League fell behind drama. Alison Fell behind Allen lazard like Marquette. Gambling disappoint season. But on top of that I think takeaway is overestimating how many wide receivers Aaron Rodgers can support at. This point is career. Had feel about that. Take with Aaron Rodgers. I know it's a controversial thing to say that Aaron Rodgers is on the downside. Now I would completely agree with that completely completely. Agree with that At the same time you know he didn't really have very good talent beyond Davante Adams. That's why down the stretch especially Davante Adams was such a lock in the DFS. I mean you could count on him even into the playoffs he was. He was an absolute monster Does he really wasn't competing with anybody for targets You know so but I think that it's now it's fair to question you know. Just how good is mark has vowed at scheduling? What's his future like going to be? You know in in the league because he fell behind some guys that are not very good. I mean you know. He fell behind Allen lazard and he was like sharing time with Jake Kumar late in the year so I don't know I mean there was a lot. There was a lot of hype on him. Aaron Rodgers himself was really high on. Marcus vowed scanlon. But it just never came to get can't never came together for him and he lost a bunch of playing time down the stretch and at this point he's just like you know a guy at the back end of your dynasty roster data. It seems like he would need to change scenery for me to get excited about. Mvs again speaking of guys. That were disappointing. Dante Pettis situation. It's hard to tell in preseason. Sometimes what's coachspeak and what's not I thought there was a reasonable chance of reasonable enough chance. Would Dante Pettis that the way cash and was talking to preseason that the way he was using the preseason not running hardly any snacks with the first teamers was enough of a warning flag that we should be off Dante Pettis And I like to Dante Pettis talent but I thought it was scary enough and then of course it comes to fruition that the Beddis was like I mean just total dust like. I don't know what he did but cautioned the coaching staff just absolutely hated. Dante Pettis do you have any regrets looking back Dante Pettis Situation? And how can people Separate some of this coach speak like we talked about Christian McCaffrey in the last episode. Fake verse the Real coachspeak. That happens to happen without pettus. Yeah I mean it's it's hard to have too many regrets about guys like Ninth Tenth Eleventh Round Fantasy picks began just ended up dropping them and move on. You know But yeah I mean. I wish that I would have been lower on. They were beat writers that were saying that they thought that Dante Pettis running with the twos. The threes was a motivational tactic. You know that it wasn't necessarily that he'd been benched it was that it's the. Shanahan was trying to use that to motivate him and that he was still the forty niners number one receiver. But that you know that I mean that's finished. The two thousand eighteen season really really strong albeit in a small sample size so I think the takeaway here is probably not just not get you caught up in the sample size and it's it's another testament to paying attention to what happens in the preseason training camp. I know there's like this push in some fantasy circles where they tell you not to pay attention. The preseason training camp like what a way to fall behind and I mean what I mean what. What disastrous advice that is. Hey I should've paid. This is a situation where I should have paid more attention to what was going on with Dante. Pettis and not listening to the beat writers were saying that it was a motivational tactic. Yeah Yeah Really Strange Situation Dante Pettis. Maybe there's more the story that we still don't know Speaking of flyers that you got right you headquarters son. Eighty sixth overall in the top one fifty sons. Adp was one twenty. Two and I was a little scared on coralline son because his rookie year was Frustrating when he got opportunities the quarterback situation Joe flacco in drew lock. I thought wasn't great. Many sanders was there. I prefer dish on Hamilton Which turned out to be. Just egregious error but in terms of just bet on talent. I mean if you just want to say. Hey I'm going to bet on town. Colin Sutton would've been the pick here and I think that's at least one take way to have this kind of fly. Range reason get coralline Sutton in the twelfth thirteenth rounder. Wherever he went and you can reach up to the tenth and not risk a lot. It has been on a guy talent you've despite the situation so What did you worry thinking about the Corden son? Having him eighty six over all the time. What do you think about going forward? The I was betting against Manning Sanders and then he wound up getting traded. So and that didn't hurt Queen. I remember you know. Kuehne son had just been playing really well playing really good football and then all of a sudden treated Emmanuel Sanders. That people are like. Oh now coralline Sutton's GonNa get double team now. That's not how this works these. Get more volume. And that's what he did. He capitalized on his show to ladder report with drew. Lock albeit again. You know in a small sample size but I mean I just think he's a really good player. He took a big big second year leap. I think he's just going get better. I think he's like a prototypical number one receiver I Know Chris. Wesseling our old Palette at Rota world now at the NFL network. He thought that quoted Sutton deserve a spot on the all protein. I don't disagree with them at all for the AFC grown sudden had that good of a year he in addition to being a really strong statistically he drew more pass pass interference penalties than any other receiver in the League. I know he was in the double digits. No he had at least ten of them And like he Worked Casey Hayward of the chargers I mean he he was outstanding and he is a real big time asset in dynasty. Yeah Let's talk about another kind of a deep dynasty. Guy Justice Hill and there are a lot of these running backs who I think. People got really high on in the draft process. Tony Pollard comes to mind Daryl. Henderson comes to mind ladies even mile standards who we were really a high on my data. The Eagles didn't give mile centers. Chance really too late in the year and then he was a huge asset but they didn't really give him a chance to lay the year injustice hill. Really never got a chance. You Know Gus Edwards was Mark Ingram direct backup Justice Hill. Finish the whole year. Which is fifty eight carries any catches despite dressing for all sixteen games. So I don't know if you think there's a larger takeaway here on some of these late round running back projected in backup roles rethink it was just kind of out liar with justice and Tony Pollard. Daryl Henderson and maybe mouse sanders even being over Jaffna. Nah I don't think I mean I think those are the kind of guys that you take shots on late in the draft and sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't and that's just you know that's just the way it is their dark throws their draft him in the double duty rounds for a reason. They're available there in the reason for reason. But you know that's why that's why ticket because they've got some upside and they've got a lot of downside and Darwin Thompson and Toni Ballard and Justice Hill. And these didn't help you had. There was a time. Tony I know his contract. But there's a time. Twenty Pie was going like ninth. Round was so so funny and people thought that twenty five number role even after his eagerly reported which was always really shaky leg to stand on should've oh you should have oil yes certainly should have Speaking of Dallas. One thing about Michael Gallup. 'cause men I mean it took a leap forward in twenty nineteen Michael Gallup looked like just absolute ball out there and his role down. The stretch was probably due to some injury that we weren't aware of Amari Cooper but Mike Gabum look like the best wide receiver number one receiver late very late in the year for the Dallas cowboys again similar to Mari. I think the improved play of Dak. Prescott certainly helped Michael Gallup. But Yeah I mean Michael. Gab was legit his. Adp was around one thirty. You hadn't one O two in the top one fifty where you come down on. Michael Gabba what did you see in him? Coming into the two thousand eighteen season. This is another testament to paying attention to training camp reports because the training camp reports on Michael Gallup were just glowing. The cowboys are very well covered team that got a lot of beat writers and there was a consensus among the beat writers. That Gallup was really really showing well on the practice field in training camp and he finished the two thousand eighteen. Pretty a pretty strong levy at one hundred yards against the rams and in in the playoffs And we knew he was good. We didn't necessarily know he was that good To where you know. Now we're at a point where he might be the cowboys number. One receiver in twenty twenty. If they can't figure out a way to resign Amari Cooper but yeah I mean he was. He was outstanding in a second season. The arrows continue. Continue to point out for him. Yeah I'm like a total dynasty donkey. I play like hardly any dynasty and but in this one rotor world league. That's run by Ropati. Only dynasty lead that. I plan in every year to do the same thing I tried to hang on number my first round. Pick at all costs and I just try to take the best wide receiver available in like a couple years ago. Just having me Michael Gal by hardly knew anything about him. I was just got whatever. I'll take Michael Gallup. He's wide receiver. He's in the first round turns out that Hopefully struggled there Okay once about Lamar Jackson There were people. I think higher than me and you on the Mar Jacksonville. Certainly higher than market on the Mark Jackson you had him as a qb nine his ADP finished at around qb. Twelve Lamar Jackson. The floor was always going to be really high because there's rushing ability. I think the question was could Heathrow it well enough to find an upside to the point where he could actually be the key one. Obviously he did Evan mentioned. Td Rate when we talked about Patrick Mahomes Mar Jackson's TD RATE IN TWAIN. Nineteen was actually higher than Patrick. Mahomes outrageous td rate in twenty eight. Lamar Jackson a full nine point. Zero percent of his passes went for touchdowns. Just absurd right and you thought that. Like our everybody thought that Ryan Hills touchdown rate was wild at seven point seven percent. I mean Ryan. Tannehill was second at seven point seven percent. Lamar Jackson nine percent so just totally absurd his arm and and I think the Mark Jackson took a bigger step forward throwing than I thought that he would But still think the nine percentage is absolutely ridiculously on sustainable. What is sustainable is his rushing. So I don't think you're GONNA see as big of regression on the Mark Jackson as you could have projected with Patrick mahomes but yeah I think Mark Jackson's a really interesting case was unique players that we've seen in fantasy and I don't know where he's going to go in twenty twenty drafts. I would assume that most people would take him in the first round if they had the chance to right now. But were you at with Lamar Jackson. What what was particularly impressive about him leading. Nfl touchdown passes was that he did it with guys like Willie snead and nick boil and I mean. Mark Andrews is awesome but Mark Andrews like banged up for a lot of the season was not a full-time players like a rotational player. Mark Brown had to one big week one and then didn't do a whole lot until the playoffs. And you know he was. He was hurt. So that was really really impressive He threw a bunch of touchdown. Pass to mark Ingram and stuff. I mean the the thing is that his receiver core has a lot of room to improve. You know and I think that the Ravens will Invest in his receiver core. Put better weapons around him. He Still GonNa regress that nine percent touchdown rate. I mean that. That's an absurd absurd number But you know I. I don't think we I'm not sure. We've seen the best of Lamar Jackson there. There seemed there's still seems to be a big camp. That thinks that you know this guy is going to get like figuring out or or whatever they just they they can't they can't like You know they're they're so stuck on how the NFL was for so long. Being run by quarterbacks that are dropped back passers and the candidates. Stand that you know now the NFL. You need to be movement quarterback you know you need to be able to move the pass. Rushers are just too fast you have to be able to move and league is being taken over by guys like like Lamar Jackson and Shawn Watson and you. Even Patrick. Mahomes is an excellent athlete. Even Josh Allen Yeah. That's the reason that he has had the level of success that he has had. It's not because he some group passer Okay I want to get to one. That actually do have regrets on and I know it's hard to have regrets on a guy that you took in the last round or whatever but Chris her did tied up a roster spot for us for what was it. I four weeks or five weeks or something like that. And it's easy to say I took thirteenth round. He sucked and I just dropped it. But you couldn't do that with Chris herded because the whole point of it was you can hold. Chris heard until he comes in off. Suspension has a big year of course in my kids I practice back from suspension. He poses hamstring ends up playing. Just one game all year. Adam Gaze told disaster and. I'm not sure Chris Herndon even would have played had been productive for its even if he had gotten on the field. I guess is my point so I think you have to be very very careful with guys. You draft who were on suspension. You'll cream hunt to type rush by for a lot of people for a long time and didn't give us much For All that so a lot depends on the size your bench etc etc but you know in most situations. It's probably not right to take these fringe guys that are suspended and I think that's a good lesson to learn from Chris Herndon Any thoughts there on what happened with Chris. Boden just total total. Total goose egg there. Man I mean. Even in the one game he played. You couldn't play them because you were. You're uncertain of his health so I think he's going to be awesome. Bounceback pick for twenty twenty though it. It didn't work. You know. Our our plan did not work. I mean it was specific to too big bench leagues. And you couldn't do this and some league where you have five bench spots or something by the way people more ben spots best at least six bench spots please but Yeah you couldn't do it short Benchley anyways one of the Late tight end strategies along with Chris was to get Darren Waller also dare while I was like Freeman. I mean Darren Waller was not even being drafted in a lot of leagues And Yeah we were high on Darren while I think that was a big hit because dude had ninety catches eleven hundred forty five yards and three touchdowns and I think you know what happened. Talks about within Tonio Brown last episode. You know their car license over the Middle Derek Carr likes to throw a short and that's where waller and the titans are gonNA eat. You saw Jericho Cava career with Their car and then they're waller comes in and just rips off ninety catches in the middle of the year. They signed to a three-year twenty seven million dollar contract extension so yeah. I think they're waller is a very legit and these are the kind of players you know the high upside athletic players who have never done anything before that I liked to target in the favorite fly range so if you drafted her in with their waller. It was a huge win Took any tight end strategy. That involved air waller It was a huge win looking back. There was point. Nineteen Season Evan. What did you see saw a baller? I mean the dude is really really good. He can run You can win the short in a in a vertical game you know. The vertical passing offense is not a big art of offense that is quarterback by Derek Carr and his at-at wasn't great. But I mean you can go watch them play. I mean he made plays down the football field You Know He. He was just wound up being just a perfect match for the way the Derek Carr plays And he was able to eat up a lot of production. Yeah and if you look back at the guys who were hits in the in the late rounds every year you know. He's athletic. Talented guys who people are down for whatever reason corwin Sutton Michael Gallup we mentioned on here there. Waller and you're going to Mrs on on guys also For sure but I think there's always going to be specifically the wide receiver position and tight end is always going to be guys Just because there's so many of them in the league that are going to have a pass through the wrath lettuces talent to pay off at lay `round. Adp's that is going to do it for this. Look back at what we got right and what we got wrong. During the nineteen season appreciate I fall? You guys could go ahead and subscribe to. The podcast is of course free all off season. Check US out on Youtube. Establishing RUN YOUTUBE CHANNEL IN CANADA. Tend to the site for xfl. I thought the League was fun. And it's very very similar to NFL FAST. At this point is except that There's so much less information out there. 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Score More #3: The matchup vs. the 49ers & accidentally becoming a Target employee

Bolts from the Blue

38:52 min | 4 years ago

Score More #3: The matchup vs. the 49ers & accidentally becoming a Target employee

"Ooh. Rivers give to scroll angling lip, v. Ten. Should have been ruled a fumble. Gates, one hundred twelve career touchdown catches the most by the NFL tied in all time. Wanna figured it out. I just like to play football. This is score more with Garrett system. We are back episode three of the score more podcast. I am Garrett sixty. Welcome back. All you score morons. I love it. Also appreciate all you guys using the hashtag like last week, hashtag score morons hand. I got the new tag the end the show, so it all just works out. Great. Some things are just meant to be almost serendipitous that we figured out recalling everybody that listen to this show, including me who does the show, he scored moron and found the perfect way to end the show perfect tagline news, reporters, radio show, announcers, any announcers in general, always looking for a tag. I got my tag in the second week of doing the show. That's just how it works out and I love it. So welcome back. All you score morons and everybody who said, hey, listen, I'm not calling myself score moron as dumb. Do you hear yourself? That's dumb. No, it's not the first of all. It's awesome. Second of all, lighten up a little bit and get a sense of humor come on score. Morons is perfect. It's not an insult. You know how you take a bad word or you take a phrase if somebody makes fun you about or take something that has a bad meaning and take all the sting out of it. Just lean into it. You know, like when somebody makes funny, you are calls you something you just lean into it start using. It may get your own and they'll stop calling you that. Now I'm not gonna stop calling score morons. That's gonna probably live on forever as long as his podcast goes on, but take the word, make it your own come on. It's been awesome. So we are going to cover the matchup this weekend against the forty Niners charters wanted to for Niners one and two. We got some things to talk about. It's going to be an interesting breakdown this week and before we do, I don't think we're going to be doing bits every week. Because some of you are like, well, when do you get to the chargers talk? When do I get to hear the breakdown? Well, fast forward. It's a podcast, do whatever you want, it doesn't matter. I mean, you're missing the gold if you don't like the laugh, then go ahead and fast forward. But yeah, it'll be there just fast forward just scrub forward and you'll find it not that big of a deal. So I don't think I'll be doing bits every week, but you can certainly ask me questions, and I got one this week as from Chris Bernhardt, and he left a question for me at the score more podcasts, Twitter handle, which is at score more pod. So if you guys are over there and not following that account yet, go do that because we're going to do some fun stuff over there. Probably do some videos. It'll be everything surrounding this podcast. I'll do some stuff over there and I've been kind of live tweeting games over there as well. So go follow, ask or more pot on Twitter as for all be at regarding this podcast in Chris left me message and he said, can you tell the story about how you worked at target? Don't know if you ever told it, but I'm into. Fid LL well, you should be interested. It's a pretty good story. And most of you might not know it's kind of inside joke. I guess if you're following me at that point new saw and heard it, then you know what I'm talking about, but there's kind of an inside joke that our work at target. In fact, even my Twitter bio inadvertently worked at target for half hour. I put that in there because it was such a significant time in my life that I worked at target. So here's how I inadvertently worked at target for about a half hour. I was on my break from work, and I wanted to get some Creamer. That's the only thing I needed to get, and I was kinda busy that night. So I was like, you know any Creamer for the morning, so I'll go get it real quick. Walk into target, grab it walkout, not that big of a deal aggress much. Not too. So a walk into target and his all lady comes up to me. She walks up to me and asks where she can find throw pillow covers. Now, I'm sure everybody's had this happen before, but I looked down and I realized that I'm wearing a red shirt and Brown pants. And of course you know, the target uniform is a red polo when some kind of khaki pant, but I was wearing a dark Brown pant and a like a a red t shirt. I think there is even like bam logo. There's something else on it wasn't just like a plain red t shirt, so anybody else would probably know, hey, that's kind of a weird coincidence, but he doesn't work here or at least they would go. Does that guy work here? And then on a second glance ago? Nope. That's just a guy who stupidly walked into target with a redshirt round pant. So this lady was old and by old. I mean like not your parents age, but probably like your grandma's age. She was probably interest as at least she could have been pushing ninety. I don't know. She was very old and she spoke very slow. She walked very slow and I just did not have the heart to tell her that didn't work. Target. So she asked me, you know, she walked up to me and asked, do you know where the throw pillow covers our and just a side note, throw pillows, garbage, throw. Pillows are the worst type of pillow you can possibly have. They have some kind of sequence on him. They have some kind of design that aren't used for Lang on and they're just for look. And you know, some are oblong shaped some are like circular summer cylinders, like those aren't pillows that's just for show, take every throw pill. You have in your house and throw them away. I have because they're worthless. Hey, throw pillows, just be a regular pillow. Something I can lay my head down on. I don't want to just look at you have some other purpose than something good to look at. Throw pillows are stupid. So make sense. She's older. She has throw pillows that's an older generation thing. That's not my thing. It shouldn't be your thing either because throwing pillows are stupid. You know, for the most part, it's your. It's a thing that your mom did or you know your girlfriend or wife is currently doing where the, you know they want something that looks cute, thrown away, throw throw pillow. That's why it's called throw pillows. You throw them in the trash. You throw those pillows in the garbage because they're worthless. Who came up with throw pillows who's walking into your bedroom every night to look at your pillows, nobody you're walking in there to go to bed and use your pillows to sleep on. So you make your bed every morning. And then by the time it's time to go to bed, you have to throw pillows off the bed stupid. It is basically a barrier between me and my bed when I'm trying to go to sleep and I have to waste time throwing pillows off the bed. So they spend what ten hours on your bed each night. And then they go on the ground and then they go back on your bed. Dumb. That's dumb. Throw. Pillows are dumb, and you throw those pillows in the trash. So anyway, this woman wants me to find throw pillow covers now not just throw pillow, but she's got a throw pillow that she puts a cover on and I have to find throw pillow covers. I'm walking around target for fifteen twenty minutes, because where is that at is throw pillows in home decor. Is it embedding? Is there a betting? You know, it's not like a big department store where there's like a giant betting section that has like sheets. And do vase, and pillows and pillowcases there isn't that in target. It's like some mix. I mean, they're sheets and stuff. There's an aisle, four pa- where would you find throw pillow covers? I'm looking around and I can't find it. So I have the bright idea that I'm going to look up on my phone where that could possibly be right because Google search probably find it. I don't know where it is and I've been walking around target. I feel like I've done to lapse in the store by this point and I can't find throw pillows, let alone throw pillow covers. I've found regular pillows that you sleep on, but I haven't found throw pillow covers, and this throw pillow cover was a small square shape. I guess a standard throw pillow. I don't. I don't know dimensions on throw pillows, so don't ask me that, but it was just a regular square, throw pillow, and I needed to find a cover for it. And she brought in the throw pillow cover by the way so that she could match it up with the pill. Oh, so anyway, she's walking around with throw pillow cover. I'm on my phone going, where do I find this thing? And so she sees me on my phone. She goes, are you checking your system as if like my phone has the target system in it, and I'm like, yes, I'm that's exactly what I'm doing. But what I'm really doing is trying to figure out where the hell this throw pillow cover could be in if Google could help me out at some point. 'cause I can't find a target employees. So what I end up doing is I walk around until I find another target employees, which took me another lap and a half to find somebody and I go, hey man, where are throw pillows, and he points me in the right direction. So I go over there as we walk over there. And as you probably guessed by now, there were no throw pillow covers. I'm walking around with this lady basically show furring her around the store and she's an old lady and I feel terrible. And so after we've already walked around twice and kind of walked up and down. Heels, I say, you know what? Wait here. Let me find somebody and so I didn't want to blow my cover. You know that I'm not a target employees yet. 'cause honestly, I've been doing this for twenty five minutes now I can't now break out of it. So I let me find an employee. The guy points me throw pillows. We walk over to the section and there are no throw pillow covers. So of course, me being personable and also having customer service skills. I up seller and she bought two new throw pillows. I think target owes me some money on that because I told those don't know what the commission is on that, but I sold her to new throw pillows so market around. And of course I can't. I don't have the heart and I walk into the register and as I'm walking to the register and she's got the two pillows by the way, I don't have Creamer at this point. I'm just helping this lady up as I'm walking by a woman sees me escorting this woman with to throw pillows and I am now looking like a target employees. She walks over to me and goes, hey, listen, my kids spilled something over an aisle, five. So if you can get somebody over there to clean that up, that'd be great. And I was like, this cannot be happening now. I'm officially into deep. So now I gotta go Hosver. And the funny part of this is another target employee walks by, and I go excuse me, and I see his name on his on his badge ago. Hey, Ben, listen, there's a spill in, I'll five if you don't mind cleaning that up this, this lady's kids spilt some apple juice or whatever the kids spilt and he, he kind of looks at me funny and he goes, okay. And then I realize that I now look like I'm in charge because I just delegated tasks to another employee. So like I'm some kind of whatever I am. I'm higher than whatever that Ben is. I am officially higher up on the target ranks than Ben and I don't even work at target the wom-. Whose kids built the apple juice in the aisle was in within earshot. So she heard me delegate this task to somebody else. So she knows that this is going to get cleaned up the women's in line to check out with to throw pillows, which I up solar for. Thank you very much. So I'm like, all right. Well, now I can get some Creamer, right? So I am going to walk by and get some Kramer and I grab it a walk back towards register. And these same old lady walks up to me. She shuffles her feet up to me with a receipt in hand and says, you know what? Actually. I want the blue throw pillows instead of the red throw pillows because we were kind of deciding the two of us, oh, I have a Brown couch. I with Radyr Shogo blue and I said, you should go with blue, but she ended up talking yourself into the red and she got to read, throw pillows will now have second thoughts, and she still thinks I work at target, so I know have to grab two blue, throw pillows. So I grabbed two pillows, I bring back. I guide her to customer service. I dropped off the Creamer that was in my hands somewhere on an end cap somewhere and target I, it was just like, I got to get out of the store. This is ridiculous. So I walk over to guest services. I say, just go walk up to her and shore the receipt, and she's going to exchange your red, throw pillows for blue, throw pillows. They were the same price. There wasn't any big deal. It would be easy exchange, but once I did that, I walked out the door with my head down, making sure. Nobody else on me and nobody else wanted to ask me for some kind of work done in target because I don't work there. I just walked in the store with Brown pants and a red shirt, and somehow I got stuck as a target employees for thirty minutes because I didn't have the heart to tell this lady that I didn't work there. I don't know, for vision isn't very good or whatever it is, but she saw me and just assumed I worked there and I kind of understood it and I couldn't say no. So that's how I worked at target and I was live tweeting the stuff. So as stuff was happening, I couldn't believe it and I had to put it on Twitter. I'm not really that type of guy, but I just couldn't believe the circumstances I was in. It felt like some like weird, dumb comedy that you wouldn't believe like some something in a sitcom that you'd be like that would never happen. Real-life somehow that worked because every other normal human being would be like, oh, I'm sorry, ma'am. No, I don't work here. Not me not miss. Nice guy over here, but I've never been on the payroll. I never received any money on the commission from up selling that woman to not just some couple dollar throw pillow covers to some ten dollars, throw pillows, two of them shila need once you to. So I think they do, oh me some money, but I never ended up getting Creamer. I had to get it that night and I did it like really late at night and I didn't go to targets that I walked into some grocery store. I think I was in Burston as walking alberson's ago. Am I wearing a blue shirt and Brown pants? I wasn't. I'm still wearing my red shirt and Brown pants, and I was like, okay, nobody's going to work here. So is able to get Creamer without anybody bugging me. And that's how I worked at target. Chris, Phil, Jin. Now, let's talk about the injury report. We'll start with the chargers, not a long list. A lot of the same names. We've seen the last couple of weeks. We do know Russell, Derek full practices on Wednesday, Cunanan. Got arrestee. He did not. Practice Travis. Benjamin was limited and joy. Bosa who's already been ruled out did not practice on Wednesday, and Joe Barksdale did not practice on Wednesday either. He's still if he probably won't play this Sunday against forty Niners. Now on the other side, much longer list, and we'll talk about a lot of these players later on when I'm breaking down these position group. So let's just talk about who got practices. Akilah Witherspoon or corner was a full practice on Wednesday. You should be good to go. The wide receiver Markey's Goodwin was limited with quadricep injury and Matt Brita. They're running back was limited as well. Most people reporting that he did not practice on Wednesday, so breeders status up in the air. And if he did have a limited practice was probably very, very limited. So then with did not practice, it's a long list starts, Richard Sherman. He did not practice as a calf injury already been ruled out two to three weeks so he won't be there on Sunday. Joe Staley. The tackle got arrestee on Wednesday. Their safety to quit ski tart, had a shoulder injury. He did not practice their other safety. Adrian Colbert did not practice is their free safety guards Joshua Garnett. And Mike person both regards guards on the depth chart did not practice. It's a long list for the forty Niners. We'll talk about a lot of these players in the breakdown. Let's go ahead and get down with the breakdown. Let's talk about the rival this week, the San Francisco, forty Niners, and of course we'll start with offense because that's the big news this week for an under starting quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo is out for the season. He towards ACL and his left knee. So next man up for the Niners is CJ Beathard started five games last season. He ranked as thirty first best quarterback in two thousand seventeen. The team went one and four. In those games, he had four touchdowns six interceptions and he finished with a fifty four percent completion percentage. Now the forty Niners this week are going to absolute. Flip the script on Sunday against the chargers because with Jimmy Garoppolo you saw a lot of movement. There was a lot of motion. Shanahan will do that again this week. But Beth is a completely different quarterback Jimmy g. is in the things that he can do with Garoppolo. He's a threat to make all the throws, whether it's a deep shot, hitting the seam up the middle quick slant. You have to somewhat honor those throws because he has the capability of making all those throws the forty Niners offense. The first three really attack the middle of the field which opened up that vertical passing game. But with CJ Beathard they cannot do that. Beth, isn't the pocket passer that Garoppolo is and nowhere near as accurate either. And you know, they kind of focused on the middle that offensive line as well. We'll talk about the offensive line and a little bit, but you know, Garoppolo isn't. The runner like method is Beth, loves the move, whether it's running the ball or throwing the ball on the move. He loves to run. Beth. Third has that run first mentality and expect Cal Shan. Mahan to have a lot of design runs for about third on offense because he's a runner. He wants to run. He likes to run, but you guys know CJ Beth can run. Remember game four last preseason. CJ Beathard took that sixty two yard run to the house and basically ended Dwight Lowry's career. Do you remember that? Pepperidge farm remembers, sodas Garrett he can run. Beth is tough runner. He's not necessarily looking to go out of bounds either. He will put his head down and fight for extra yards. The chargers cannot let this offense extend rise with Beth running because he will do it all game long. What they're going to have to do is four CJ Beathard the throw the ball last year better struggled. You know, we had five games under his belt. Didn't look very good for Niners, make the trade for Garoppolo midseason incomes, Garoppolo Beth RDS out. So you think you know they drafted him in the third round, you'd think that you'd like to see some progressive from Beth this year, the preseason. Season, not so much didn't throw touchdown pass and all three preseason games I watched him. He was so bad. The preseason that there is talks about him being on the roster bubble. He survives the fifty three man cuts, but he was on the bubble CJ almost had a touchdown. Last week wants to grapple when out. He had a fourth down and he made a beautiful throw in the corner, but end up being notified on offense. Passer penalty by the fullback call us check that was maybe his best thrive seen him ever make watch the games of Beth erred last year, wash preseason games. This year, what we do know is better likes to push the ball downfield. He's not afraid to let it loose and with these wide receivers, he's got some company and some guys he can throw the ball to we'll talk about, here's a little bit, but what the forty Niners are going to try to do this week and what they've done with success for the first three weeks is try to pound the rock. They're going to try to gash this chargers, run defense and hope to keep the amount of times better has to throw down. So on Sunday, this is going. Be very run heavy scheme. Not only with these backs but was CJ Beathard to remember the second half against the bills, and we to Josh Allen, had a lot of design runs. They just want to get some positive yards in the board. They wanted kind of push the ball downfield open up the passing game. That's what they're gonna do on Sunday. I'm sure Shanahan will be doing the same thing trying to create some positive yards not only in the run game, but also with Beth third crates, positive yards. Hope that then they can make some throws, but they wanna limit the amount of time CJ Beth throws because he's not very accurate and he's not a great quarterback. So if you hand the ball off and have success with it, they're going to keep going back to it last year. Well, CJ bathroom was in the starting lineup. He got Sakhnin teen times in five games, you do the math. Seriously. I don't know what that is. What is that? Almost four times a game. Three, three point. Eight, three point. Eight tax game, free Niners offense of line. Let them down last year, and it was kind of a point of emphasis in the off season. They have the same left side from year ago. The got Joe Staley left tackle lake in Tomlinson who they traded for from the lions at left guard. They sign the free agent center from the giants west enrich, Berg and I don't know why every time I see his name or hear his name, I wanna say, rich, west and Berg, but it's west and rich Berg. And I might swap that while I'm talking about offense of line, but it's west enrich Berg. And so they picked him up in the season and then they drafted Mike mcglinchey. Ninth overall played right tackle the right guard spots, kind of been turnstile. They've been shuffling players in and out even mcglinchey had a pitch in at right guard the season, but going into the preseason. Jonathan Cooper was projected to be the right guard. He and I'm getting cut, and then they were going to put in Joshua Garnett their former first round pick in two thousand sixteen, but he dislocated his toe, which is kind of held. I'm back is probably not playing on Sunday, which brings us to the person who started week three against the chiefs. Mike is that Mike person, Mike, keep an eye on his death this though, because he was out on Sunday, he had a knee sprain. He ended up returning game for the forty Niners, but if they are missing persons and Joshua Garnett, that right side is going to be very, very vulnerable. 49ers, offensive line are very strong in the edges with mcglinchey on the right side Staley on the left, and they have upped their play in the run game. This is a very good run blocking team, especially on the right side. I know I just talked about it could be bad if person and garnered aren't playing on the right side, but in terms of the run game. But Glenn Chea Mike person have been great. They've been a great duo and that's been their strength through three weeks. The online from left the rightous top ten run blocking in my opinion. They're just so good. They love the pound the rock. They've got two running backs, which we'll talk. Little bit. They go back and forth on where this unit really dips down is their pass blocking their well. Below average in pass blocking the forty Niners. Offense of line is ranked fourth in giving up sacks this year. They've given up thirteen sacks and three games through averaging over four sachse game this year. I can do the math on that one. And the real weak point is Mike mcglinchey. He's lunging and his technique is all of the place in pass sets. Mcglinchey is going through some early rookie mistakes. Teams are starting to overload his side and kinda run the motion to his end. So Mike mcglinchey well, very good as a run blocker has struggled mightily as a pass blocker so far this season. This is a game. Gus Bradley could basically dial it up like he didn't buffalo last week during James kind of had run and cover more with the Rams wide receivers, but they're not gonna do that this week with forty Niners gusts can overwhelm the Niners line on passing downs enforce the new QB to make some rush throws look for Gus to hopefully cut Derwin. James does king chairing the Mosul loose this week because bring on the pressure. Makes j. Beth beach you. So like I mentioned, the four run game is their strengthened becomes even more so CJ Beth behind center because he will be running more. They're starting running back jerick McKinnon torus, right ACL the Saturday before the season started, and that's about the time everyone was doing their fantasy draft. So if you did it before that weekend shame on you because you always do it the week before the season starts, I don't get why people do fantasy drafts week one week two to the preseason. Forget it. You gotta do it the week before because there's fifty three cuts and there's injuries and stuff like this happens and then you've got jerick McKinnon thinking, oh, I've got a starting running back on my roster and then he injured himself and you got a dead spot on your Oster which if you wait until the weekend, you wouldn't draft him but did. And if you did talk to your fantasy football Commissioner because you're drafting in the wrong time slot due at the weekend before the season starts. So McKinnon's out San Francisco's relied on their duo wearning backs. The UDF aim at Breda and Alfred Morris, Alfred Morris is getting the bulk of the carries. So far he's more their first down. Short yardage goal line back just basically need him to plot and rumble for a couple of positive gains. But the real weapon is Matt Brita. Now Mabry to hyper extended his knee and the game last week, but he returned the second half. So he might be good to go. But we'll see how that turns out after the game. He was favoring his leg said he has calf soreness. So if he doesn't go for the forty Niners that'll be a huge loss because Breda is explosive, Matt breed it in practice on Wednesday, so Brita can't go against the chargers ought to be a huge loss for the forty Niners. She looking at a duo of Alfred Morris and where he Moster so mad Brita being out would be a big deal. He carved up the lines run in week two for one hundred thirty. Eight got ninety on the ground against the chiefs Britos led the team in rushing all three games. He's a tough guy to bring down to Brita actually leads the league in yards after first contact with eight point, five, six. You know who second Hostetler with eight point one, five. So tackling the run game is got to get better than. It did last week and Brita is a threat out of the backfield to. He has three receptions last two games, so you gotta keep an eye on them as receiving weapons. Well, this is another thing how Shannon gonna be working on this weekend on Sunday. Quick. Easy passes dump off some screens. Get the ball out of CJ's hands quickly use it as an extension of the run game. So stopping the run has got to be priority number one for the chargers, and they're going to try to get as many yards when they can because they know they can't depend on CJ methods arm to get them down the field. So you're gonna see, a lot of runs dump off screens. Quick passes. You're gonna see a lot of that on Sunday, the charged out to be ready for it, but they have to stop the run. First and foremost stopping the run four CJ bathroom to throw just like the charter with Josh Allen came. The pass rush is important too, obviously, but even win. CJ Beth has time you're asking him to make throws that's a good proposition for the chargers. You want him to try to make throws so. Stop. The run is the biggest focal point this week for the chargers on defense. So as far as the receiving weapons, the big one is actually a tight end shorts Kitto with Garoppolo. This offense really killed you up to seem the majority that was with their Tynan Kittle could always been the team's leading pass catcher two out of three games this year. He's a very good run blocker to did mentioned in the running backs, but Kyle us check the fullback very talented blocker as well also receiving weapon. This'll be a match up to watch though with Kitto because you'll probably see Dez king mashed up on kindle sometime on Sunday. And that's gonna be a dogfight former hawkeye's their same better too. But George kit over does king is gonna be a fun match up, but what the forty Niners might do and where they'll have an advantage is when they strike a defense out and go three wide basically run Dante Pettis their rookie in the slot. Pettus was a forty nine or second round pick out of Washington. He runs the second most yards per route ran out of the slot. Meaning when they bring three wide receivers. And does king is on the field. He's going to have to run with Pettus and run with him downfield which isn't a very favourable matchup for the chargers. Plus wind is running with Pettus. That means a linebacker is going to be matched up on George kill their biggest receding weapon Dante Pettis snap scale back last week. But when he's been on the field, he's been fairly quiet outside of a very, very impressive touched on passing as Minnesota and even last week against the chiefs. He went without a catch. So the rookie has made a ton noise this season, the literal track star Marquise Goodwin went down with a quad injury in week. One came back against the chiefs last week. I mean foreigners to receivers who can stretch the field in Goodwin Pettus and Beth isn't afraid to try them do by talked about a little bit earlier. This is another matchup where the chargers secondary's going to have to respect the speed of Goodwin Pettus no matter who's back there at quarterback. He may not be very accurate or very good, but he's not afraid to let it go. So he will test those corners and DB's, and I'm sure they're going to try to. Good impedance vertical on Sunday. Now, in terms of the forty Niners wide receivers, peer are sewn is more of a possession receiver in the charters. DB's actually do pretty good with physical receiver. So that shouldn't be too much of an issue. They also mix in Trent Taylor who's another slot guy, the match up to watch the tide and George kill though, especially in the middle of the field and how Kaiser white does this week with him because he struggled last week kind of went invisible week. Three gonna have an important match up against the four Niners biggest receiving weapon and George kindle, and then they got to figure out how these DB's are going to try to contain the speed of Markey's Goodwin in Dante Pettus because both those guys can run. So let's move on the other side of the ball is talking about defense. The headline from this unit is the big offseason acquisition of Richard Sherman. He's out with a cat strain and he'll be silent for two to three weeks and will not be out there Sunday against the chargers. But first, let's talk about the strength of the forty Niners and they're delaying the marquee names are deforest Buckner Eric Armstead, Solomon, Thomas all former first round. Picks charger fans, no Buckner Thomas name because they were possible targets for the chargers in the draft. So luckily they went with joy both over to force Buckner, but Buckner Armstead Solomon Thomas the big bodies on the defensive line. Buckner really is underrated though I do have to say, I mean, Joey Bosa. Obviously a special player. Buckner is really underrated as deteriorate offender specialist a pass rusher. He plays like an dresser with the body of three tech charters have their hands full in the interior. Again, this week. Last week is the Rams in Aaron, Donald and Adama consume this week to force Buckner next Bucknor's, Earl Mitchell who's more of a run stopper then a pass rush on the interior. But the ends are Solomon Thomas and Eric Armstead. Now, Thomas was up and down. Last season is kind of off to a slow start this year. Thomas has two total tackles and three games being on the field half the time while the Ford Anderson base defence forty Niners base defense about fifty percent of the time. And that's Thomas is role. In base what's pop to me in the first three games that I watched this year is Thomas doesn't really have a counter. The first three games of alignment kind of gets a hand on him. He's just watch for that play. If he can get by, you can do damage, but you know, if offense of lime in can basically get a hold of him, he's not going anywhere. The real strength is our Eric Armstead, who I think is playing much better than Selma Thomas right now in Armstead is in base packages and also he gets kicked in as well. So he's on the field. A lot more than Solomon Thomas's arms provides more of a pass. Rush is a really good run offenders. Well, for an honors have Ronald Blair who they also rush off the edge. He can get to the quarterback. He's third pass, rush on the depth chart. So Dan Feeney he's been sluggish here, but now look for him for another tough match-up is to force Buckner hope Fini inbound's back again this year. I think I've said at each week, he's had flashes of good play. Feeney's been tough this year, and at some point you hope transit around. So let's take a step back. Move on the second level. Talk about these. Linebackers and they got much better at that group because of a guy they added, which was one of my guys in the draft, Fred Warner don't think I won't start touting guys. I liked in the draft when I start watching these other teams that's not below me. I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon early because I don't get to watch other teams very often. And now when I'm doing this podcast, I do when I see guys like Fred Warner, I'm going to tell you about him. He's the teams. Mike last Sunday was ruined. Foster's first game back. He's the teams will that's two guys that can really stop the run Fred Warner Reuben foster and Fred waters been really impressive as a run defender room fosters pretty good coverage. He is quick man. He's a quick athletic linebacker at the second level, and that's a good nucleus. They have in the middle for San Francisco, some young guys for Warner Reuben foster like what they both do where they struggled out is tackling. And I mean at like every level, the forty Niners have forty three mistitled us far. That's the most in the NFL on Sunday. Reuben foster had six tackles Fred one or had four ser remember. Steady gave you earlier about yards after I contact and Austin being number two? Yeah, that'll play a part. But what you do have to look out for is this forty Niners run defense is very good. They haven't given up fifty yards to leading rusher this year. They did give two scores to cream hunt last week, so you might see snack learn. Melman Gordon may get some pater that way, but they're very stout in the middle. It's all about the run with the San Francisco forty Niners. They want to stop the run on defense and they're very good at doing it again, having given up more than fifty yards a game yet. And on offense, they wanna pound the rock. They wanna run it down your throats and they can with Matt Brita, forced force allow for more stunned your throat. That's where they succeed running the ball and stopping the run. So let's move on to the forty Niners secondary. And like I mentioned earlier, Richard Sherman out, I means Jimmy ward will be the next man up. It'll be a kilo Witherspoon and Jimmy ward on the boundary Sunday with this was looking for a jump and its progression this season with some flashes of potential last year. But he's struggled so far in Detroit. He gave a pair touchdowns staffer picked on them with Sherman still playing at that point with us. We'll give a costly passer fears penalty last week against the chiefs who was on their last drive with his team. Trent amount to comeback the worst penalty at the worst time. Witherspoon is part of the problem with miss tackling to a ton of these mistakes coming after line of scrimmage with the linebackers in the secondary, both starting safeties are dealing with some injuries as well. So these injuries are mounting their starting strong safety to quit ski. Tart didn't play last week with the shoulder stinger and we'll see if he can go this week, but the Fillon is the former Vikings DB antone zoom zoom was actually a bright spot in the secondary nine tackles even got a sack on Sunday who's very active and they're starting free safety. Adrian Colbert suffered a hip injury against the chiefs. And I know I said Colbert because that's how it's pronounced. It's not cold bear. I'm not some uncultured swine. I had to look it up because I just assumed it's going to be cool bail, but it's not. It's Colbert. So Adrian Colbert. Had two hip injury. We'll see if you plays on Sunday, but DJ read came into the game and they went after him deep what we're re blue coverage Mahomes just missed to throw. So they attacked read. The chief saw something they liked DJ read and they attacked him a lot. This forty, nine or secondary is reeling no Sherman both. Safeties tartan Colbert could be out with a spoon a struggling. They're giving up almost thirty points of game on defense, and that was before the injury started piling up. Put that on top of it charge should not have a problem throwing the ball on Sunday. So for special teams, the rookie receiver mentioned earlier Dante Pettis was dangerous returner in college and he's there starting punt. Returner Pettus has five returns for twenty nine yards season a muffed, punt that he fell on a game one Vikings, but DJ read the backup safety that I just got talking about. He's there kick returner almost ran, went back against the lions. He had one hundred fifty. Nine kick return yards game. He's not afraid to bring out the chargers. Special teams is going to be a question Mark every week, and that's what we're all. Accustomed to seeing every single year. So even if Dante Pettis along fourteen yards returning that doesn't mean that this special teams will make them look like Devin. Hester on Sunday. It'll be a test again this week, just like every week going forward. So let's talk about the results free gonna try to run the ball, do it with success. They've done it all year. Charters are gonna have to sell out to stop the run this week. Like in buffalo, stop the run and make the QB hurt you and some inexperienced cubeys. They do Josh Allen, who had his first start. Now CJ Beth with his first start this year hadn't played since last season. Gotta go after them. Gus Brownlee can turn up the heat blitz Beth, especially on the right side. Tynan George kill, get a lot of target this week. You'll see king on them, but especially see Kaiser white and you hope that he can bounce back this week, and then you got to watch the speed on the outside with Markey's Goodwin and Dante Pettis in terms of the defense, San Francisco's defensive interior pressure will be a match up to watch. The run game will have to try to get something going unlike the Vikings lines or chiefs. Have been able to do this year. And if the run a working don't force it, there's no need to force the run. If it's not working for an inter secondary wasn't great to begin with. Now they're missing pieces weekend. The passing game should be there. You shouldn't have to keep forcing the run game. If MoMA Gordon can't get going or Austin clerk Yankee going. So I've been to old this year on predictions, had a winning. A buffalo had him losing against the Rams some undefeated I missed week one, but this week charters win. Twenty seven, ten. I think that breed. It gets a big play for touchdown, but CJ Beathard is going to be playing from behind and he's not gonna be able to catch up. So there you go. That's my prediction charge is gonna be two in two. After the first quarter of the season, they'll get this win against Francisco, and it should be pretty easy, twenty seven, ten put up some points. It'll be one explosive play. But in the end, the chargers come up on top CJ Beathard can't get anything going. So that's it. Another episode of the score more podcasts. So follow score more on Twitter at score more pod, I'll be doing some fun stuff over there. I'm Garissa St. unless she was hope charter score more on Sunday.

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Niner Faithful Radio Season 03 Episode 47

Niner Faithful Radio

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Niner Faithful Radio Season 03 Episode 47

"What's up yours boy. Nine faithful as everybody doing Super Bowl. Week is finally here. How you feeling empire I me myself personally you know. I'm feeling wedging their I'll feel like as soon to be six times super bowl champion. You know saying but anyway we're GONNA go ahead and look a little bit towards the Super Bowl out a little bit all the way to the super bowl and going to go ahead and give our prediction and see what we're going to go ahead and we're going to go ahead and get done this Sunday before we get started today a quick reminder. You can find this podcast everywhere. You find podcast. That is of course apple podcast by play music. Google podcast stitcher speaker blueberry tune in or cast box and of course as always please rate review as a scribe. If you're watching this on you to please make sure to hit that. Subscribe Button and also go ahead. Get that video thumbs up and comment on what you thought of the video. And don't forget to hit that notification bell and let's go ahead and get started with Bob Money. How you doing baby good to see you how. I hope you're having a legendary week so before we get started today. I wanted to go ahead and go over the facebook Paul and twitter poll of the week. This week's facebook twitter poll. If I could find it is right here. Do you think the niners should wear the ninety four throwbacks eighty five percent of people on facebook? Twitter said yes. Fifteen percent said no of course as we all know the NFL. Basically there's some haters and you know. What can you do but to participate in our weekly pro for prizes? We're going to be giving away a very very special surprise next week participated in our weekly prizes each week on facebook and twitter. We have a weekly poll question. All you have to do is either like our facebook page or was on twitter and votes. Look everybody we have no kittikorn every day of the week this week so as we all know this super bowl is getting billed as you know Patrick mahomes versus and the cheese offset fence versus you. Know the the Obama Money. You know what that is a great point. We're going to go ahead and highlight your comment. I think the madden curse is going to take full effect on Patrick. Mahomes while We're going to go ahead and get into that a second but You know I essentially I agree with you. I don't necessary about the Madden Curse. But you know y'all know Mia Ominami historian and I kinda liked the tie things you know that are relevant in the things that have to do with Would have to do with nine history to things that are happening. Right now was up. Go hard how you doing sack. Fran sized Psychos I like that Bay bullies. Let's get it done very good to see you. Of course Go hard and Bob Money but I think that with getting talked about is the niner offense and let's not ignore the fact that Yeah Patrick. Mahomes Miss Games. Whatever excuses you WANNA use the niners finished at least above Kansas City? And Yeah that might not have happened if mahomes played all season but if it was we'd all be drunk you know. He's scored more points. If we have Joe Staley Mike mcglinchey and George Kettle is Amiss. Two Games and juice doesn't miss them games. And you know Western risk per although Ben Garland has folded filled in admirably. You know had western risk Berg you know. It's it's almost too tight back into niner history. Y'All know I like to do? It reminds me a lot of the nineteen eighty four season Super Bowl nineteen. Everybody was talking about Dan Marino. And you know Oh damn radio. This is Dan Marino that you know we all know how that turned out and So I'M GONNA say saying we're going to blow out Kansas City. I will say this if either team. They're not gonNA blow us out and so if it is a blowout we obviously will love that. Because that means it's the niners doing the blowing out at least in my opinion I'm sorry but I have. You Know Sixteen Regular Season Games and two playoff games of my team not getting blown out and so I don't I just I don't see that happening. Sorry but we all know it is super bowl Anything can happen So I came up with this little bit of research myself in. I'M GONNA go ahead and break down the quarterbacks that we have faced this year this is of course with completion percentage yards a quarterback rating and yards per attempt which. I think are pretty pretty significant statistics when it comes to judging quarterback Jameis Winston had a fifty five point five six completion percentage the fourth worst of the season hundred ninety four yards passing the worst of the season and his forty five point four quarterback rating and five point. Three nine yards per attempt. Were also the worst of the season for him. Andy Dalton Sixty one point nine percent police in percentage student. Three hundred eleven yards or the Four best during the season his quarterback rating of ninety five was his second. Sorry I was his fourth best of the year at is four point seven yards per attempt. Were the second best of the season but Yeah it it helps win. The niners were blowing you out for majority of that game and you've got some garbage in garbage points towards the the end of the Game Mason Rudolph Fifty one point eight five percent. Completion percentage worst second worst of the season. One hundred seventy four yards the fifth worst of his season. A quarterback rating of eighty point eighty one. Point four was the third worst and has yards his six point. Four four yards per were fifth. Best during this season. Jarod Goff now. This is where it gets really interesting. I'm sorry bigger Mayfield. We don't want to skip over Baker Mayfield. He had a thirty six point. Thirty six percent. Completion percentage worst of season as hundred yards passing were worst of the season and his quarterback rating of thirteen point. Four and his four point. Five five yards per attempt. Were also the worst of the season Jarod Gulf Week. Six fifty four point one seven completion percentage second worst of the season. Seventy eight yards. Were the worst of the season. His sixty point eight quarterback rating was second worst in his yards per attempt at three point. Two five worst of the season case keenum. This went a lot of it was the best but that was really skewed because of the rain in a only through. Twelve Pass Kyle Allen Fifty one point three five completion percentage the worst hundred fifty eight yards passing. Twenty eight point nine percent. Twenty eight point nine. Qbr and four point seven yards per attempt. Were all worse Collor Murray. He kind of let us up. Seventy eight three percentage completion fourth-best two hundred forty one yards tied for seventh best. Qbr Of one hundred point thirty point seven yards per attempt at ten point. Four were the best of the season. Of course Wilson and week ten seventy point five nine percent completion fifth best to whether thirty two yards completion of yards fifth worst. Qbr Of eight eighty six point. Nine where the fifth word worst and his yards point attempt of six point eight two with the fifth worst kind of Murray actually had a semi better game the second time seventy two point seven three yard completion percentage higher fifty yards whereas third. Worst one hundred eight were was his third best and his four point. Five five yards were second worst. Aaron Rodgers. We all know. Lamar Jackson. Jubilees actually had a great game against US Matt Ryan. Same as as the quarterbacks I mean the theme here is that I'm not going to see here. Read a million statistics. Y'All basically quarterbacks don't do shit against us and very few quarterbacks have done anything against us now. Is Patrick Mahomes? Very well capable of having the best Best Game of any quarterback. Yeah does that mean if he has best game of against this defense of any quarterback is that we don't stand a chance no because he'd have Patrick Mahomes goes off and throw it four hundred and four touchdowns no pick and you know as long as a running game doesn't go off as well. I think we still stand a chance that gave I trusted. Cowhand can get his five touchdowns or at least four touchdowns and field goal is essentially. I think we can score twenty nine points and so I think the key to this game is the chiefs could essentially score on any Every possession that guy is a very well a possibility or at least on a high percentage of their possessions. So I think one of the keys on the defensive side of the ball limiter possessions by forcing turnovers if they're gonNA score on five. Let's say they get nine possessions. They're going to go on five of them then. Getting turnovers is going to be be crucial. Now the offense of course can can score on six seven of nine possessions. But I don't think that we're going to have nine possession. I don't think either team I'm nine possessions. Although you know Kansas City we all know is gonNA line up to do everything but stop the run That's fine just because you line up. Want to stop. The run doesn't mean you're going to do it and so will we rush for two hundred eighty five yards now but will we be able to run the ball consistently and be able to get three? Maybe four yards. Four is my stretching. But can we get three yards per carry hell? Yeah we can three yards per carry. I mean I like that. Keep Patrick Mahomes feel shorten the game that Jimmy throw when he has to throw. I mean I'm not GonNa sit here and say that this game is in the bag. I feel very confident. I think that we didn't get this far. I think that we're a team of destiny. I think that you know when the players hit the field with horrible. You always got the sense that that there was no connection. No connection between the owners of the past and the niners of the hardware error. I mean yeah. Of course you know. There were individual players that might have had relationships from previous regimes or through visits whatnot but didn't was up. Jason. How you doing brother welcome to Super Bowl Week. I go ahead and highlight Jason's comment I just like doing this and having a pop up on the screen. I think that looks pretty cool but So I think that is important to realize that when those players step on the field on Sunday. They're realizing they're not just playing for themselves. The planning for that asset from the helmet. Of course I'll say it a million times maybe super bowl week super bowl super bowl week. Super Bowl we say the billion times if y'all want me to a never insider to say super bowl week. Mit is in. It might teams guys chance to win. I'm competent I think my team's GonNa win no better than entire world except for being at that parade. That's going to be the only thing that's gonNa feel great baby. Maybe I'll make this as that fills greater but The players are going to be realizing that they're playing for the empire you know. They're they realized how hungry this fan base is. I mean it's been twenty five years since we had a championship. Y'All tomorrow will be twenty five years twenty five. That means somebody who was born on January twenty ninth nineteen. Ninety five is old enough to rent a car. There are quarter of a century. Your years old. They could very well have children of their own. Probably do a lot of them very crazy and also I can finally get rid of this enshrinement. It's crazy itchy. It's it's it's horrible but you know we move on so also. I wanted to go ahead and say this. Why have the opportunity before the Super Bowl? I think I expected to be gained from Dante. Pettis L. When I say big game I mean I'm not. I don't think he's GonNa get any of the reception records or anything of that. But you know. I think this could be the type of game that you see them. Maybe have two touchdowns or game winning touchdown just or or a a run back on special teams. I mean I'm looking for a way. I don't think it's necessary. I don't think were that big of a underdog that we need to do something like that. Like recover. Onside. Kick or running back a defensive touchdown or running back and kick offer Or something like that. I don't think that that's necessarily. We're not that much of our underdog that that we need to do things like that but it would definitely help especially if you're talking about. Hey if you wanna believe Dante hitting her he thinks is going to score by win by three touchdowns now if you tell me that. Richard Sherman or Emmanuel Moseley has a pick six or even quantum Alexander has picked six. And Richie James has a run back for touchdown punt or kickoff mouse By twenty one. Then those types of things happen you know but though defensive touchdowns no special teams touchdowns no things lie crazy turnovers deepen in you know Kansas City territory. They turn the ball over deep in their own territory. Things like that. I think it's GonNa be a grind out game but if we can I mean I mean Dude. Hasn't even been on the field in a month you know at and look. I would feel stupid if the inactive come out. And he's not even active but he has been active. You know he is not missed. Any Games who hasn't been essentially benched inactive. He's missed games because injuries. Now you know I say injuries I. I don't mean to make light if he is indeed injured. But you know things with Dante Pettis Simone. Just a little a little bit fishy but this seems the type of game that that it could happen. I mean very well could need to happen. 'cause I mean let's put it this way. Let's let's say we're in the same scenario to wolf forty seven that we were super bowl. Forty seven who does everybody think the ball's GonNa go to come on now is yours. Kibble George Kit or Emmanuel Sanders. I personally think injured worn would probably be the best. Because he's our best red zone threat but still it. Okay even that reward. George Killer Mango Sanders. They're gonNA take them away. I mean you're you if we wind up with say Emmanuel Sanders Depot George Kendall and Dante what would you really wouldn't necessarily be that so let. Let's say by some chances Dante Deebo Kendrick born and George kill or Emmanuel Sanders Swap Out Kaby for manual senators. Who are you likely to be less likely the least likely to cover up your Kansas City and is not even. Obviously the plan would be leave. Dante Pettis Wide Open. But I'm talking about the mental aspect. You know them being so focused on George kibble or so focus on Kendrick born that Dante. Pettis is able to slip away. I mean he definitely has Talla in the ability to to you know he was driving in the second round for the tape always first-person celebrate after big-play. Donna is not getting playing time. But he's still down for the team and I and that that's correct. I mean he is the first person to celebrate and yeah we kind of make fun of him for it. No how many you know res. The team in celebrations is not as touchdown and other things that we say. But you know. I've never heard of of Dante being a bad teammate. I would think Richie would get a shot before. Dante comes to getting catches very true. Okay Jason I agree with that. And and maybe I'll substitute Dante. Pettis for Richie Games. I could definitely see more of a A Realistic Possibility for it to be richey James but things just go ahead and and our Yoga's sitting we have my Beiber. I'll be out just but yeah we gotta go ahead and wrap it up today but Super Bowl Week will definitely find out what happened. Sunday grades talking to. Everybody can't wait to see y'all to tomorrow for our last episode of this date Niner. History for the two thousand eighteen season and also next week. When hopefully we're talking about a super bowl championship. I saw next week till then fave love. Happiness go niners.

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How Dante Pettis could cost the 49ers Deshaun Watson

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How Dante Pettis could cost the 49ers Deshaun Watson

"What is good everybody. Welcome to another niners nation. Podcast i am rob stats carrera flying solo today at least hosting wise where we do have a very special guest for andrew. Some remind you please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation. Podcast network really. Do enjoy them. Contrary to conventional wisdom we do read the comments so please keep them coming. I am very excited on this friday. We have a very special guest. You've heard of mine with nine or nate earlier this year. When i heard it i immediately said to myself like this is somebody that i want to have on so i am very excited to speak with vici- coumarin from the blake in vici- youtube channel. Also mondays with grant cohen. What is up. Hey what's going on. Thank you for having me on any time no problem. There's a lot of forty niners stuff. I wanna get to both just stuff. That's rattling around in my own head and also some of the news Adam peters got promoted to assistant general manager today. Congratulations to adam peters. We'll get to that. I want to get to some stuff about sam darnold and potentially the price for him and whether the forty niners should pursue that or what other backup quarterback options they may go after and last at least there was this weird little nugget about jimmy garoppolo and the patriots that popped up early on friday a too. So we're gonna get to all that. Let's start with the atom. Peter stuff i saw. It wasn't exactly unexpected. Congratulations you're the new assistant. Gm change the business card. That's great here's my question to you this. How long do you think. Adam peters is going to be the forty niners assistant. Gm because he was almost the panthers. Gm this offseason. Yeah i think it's going to be about one year. Maybe two just because even when the way the thing was reported with field yates he said this is a guy that a lot of people expect to be. Gm very soon so that tells you that field. Yates who's very plugged in telling you that this is a move that it could be very short term for adam peters and who knows maybe he's the gm of the forty niners and john lynch gets promoted. A lot of people have speculated that move for a couple of years. I don't know much about that but that's something to look but to me. It's one to two years for adam peters. I don't think his promotion is really that big of a deal. I think it's just kind of reward for good work. I don't think it really changes much. I think he's still going to have the same job. Descriptions had the last few years. And i think that their front office is going to operate. The exact same way has last beers. Let's play that out right okay. So adam peters becomes the gm they promote. john lynch. what would he be doing. Exactly john lynch. You're not the gm but you're above the gm. But like what would he do. So i think the thing that john lynch brings that i think a lot of people. Don't give enough credit to as if you remember before. John lynch dot hired the big problem. Jed york was having was that the coach and the gm were not being able to work together. So balking harbaugh had a problem. There was reportedly friction between bulky and chip kelly and so when he hired john lynch his message to the forty niners the organization to fans and everybody was that he wanted to find a coach in gm that could work in lockstep. That's what he did in. I hiring kyle shanahan finding a gm that can work with kyle shanahan and jump in john lynch and so i think the big thing that john lynch really is that i think he's able to connect everybody together manage the entire situation and to me in the nfl and coaching and head coaching When people are looking for hires think there is a lot of schematic. Emphasis when management is often understated underrated. That's why you get a lot of young bright offensive. Coordinators get hired very early and you find out that they're unable to manage the entire pitcher and managing hold team while a guy like john harbaugh has lasted in baltimore for twelve years because he excels it solely management and so two john lynch credit and i think what he would bring even if he's not bringing i don't know what his personal minutes. Maybe it's phenomenal. I don't know. But if he's not bringing that i think he will bring someone who's able to manage in tire pitcher organization with a a ton of class in a ton of professionalism. See i think that thing. That lynch brings is mostly one. He was hired by kyle shanahan so he might disagree with him but ultimately he's going to do what kyle wants but to he gets to do all the interviews. He's like the public face and voice of the team. Kyle does like some very very few. I think kyle wants nothing to do with that to me. That's the biggest thing. John lynch brings. He's the guy that does the hit with cayenne biard. He's the guy that you know is out there when when something happens with the niners and kyle doesn't have to deal with it. Yeah i think. I think that's part of it. And he has proven to be a very good speaker in front of the media. It's something he's comfortable doing again. His predecessor trent balki wasn't very good at it. Yeah he had stock into. It was something that made him very uncomfortable. You was just soley. Football guy and john lynch seems to excel at it. He's really good at it. And i think that that's something that cannot be understated because the nineties have gotten very favorable press the last three or four years which is a big left. Turn from the press. They were getting two years three years prior. So i think a lot of that has to do with the fact that john lynch is just likeable and people in the media will say good things about people. They liked john lynch kids. It's time for people in the media. And i think that that favorable press is something that you might lose if you lose. John lynch or john lynch isn't part of the organization in the same fashion. Yeah you're right about the favorable press for a team that's lost ten games in three of the last four years. They certainly got a lot of love from their own. Beat writers right. They get a tunnel watson they. It's not just like the beat writers from the national media. I mean you look at some of the failures that this regime has had from drafts and point like you go back to trent bulky bulky also had a couple of very good drafts like twenty ten even though stomach logan was there was mainly trent foggy and he picked navarro bowman he picked. Anthony davis he'd picked mike you party. Twenty eleven at the time to three years later was looked. At as one of the great drafts of all time with alden smith and chris culliver and obviously colin kaepernick. So you look at those two drafts and then of course. Twenty twelve was terrible. Twenty two hundred a couple of players. Twenty four you're still have jimmy ward. Who stole around one of the best players in the niners. Twenty fifteen yielded eric. Armstead twenty sixteen gotcha and quasi tar twenty six got force buckner. So he's still provided us decent number of core players that were still remaining produce regime the name that's been circulating through twitter. I think crank honed brought him up. Today was solomon thomas. And if you look at the coverage that the niners have gotten for the salman thomas pick it's been mighty favorable. Bears get blamed because they traded up that one spot for mitchell trubisky mitchell trubisky has had one season in the nfl where he invade the proble. He's also had a couple of winning records. The nfl starting quarterback now. I don't use those two things to evaluate quarterback play and he hasn't been a good quarterback especially compared to the two quarterbacks taken after were hall of famers but many thomas is yet to have even a string of a couple of games where he shows being anything besides a rotational peace and he was the third pick in the draft. And so i think for those reasons you really have to look at john lynch and just stay. There is something he's bringing where the niners aren't getting scrutinises. They should be or could be for the things that have happened in this region and they also traded back into the first round in two thousand seventeen to draft. That couldn't even get through the combine medical review without getting kicked out and they were patting themselves on the back for trading back into the first round and take reuben foster. Who of course was off the team. And then because it fostered and stick around the had to overpay kwan alexander. It was a whole thing but everybody knows knows that story. But i agree. Lynch has got to be providing something and maybe the favorable presses it because like you said. It's i mean the salman thomas thing iding the forty niners for that for ever and i've been told by a lot of people that i need to just move on while it was hard to move on when the quarterback they should drafted was beating them in the super bowl. That's all i'm saying. I it's it's i can't forget that too quickly before we move on though i did want to touch on one thing you brought up. I think that's really important. Because i think that point that you just made is going to really dictate the success of the forty niners the next two years you brought up the fact that they treated up reuben foster reuben foster didn't work out. They overpaid per kwan alexander. We've seen this pattern in this regime. Trade up two picks to get dante pettis. Dante pettis doesn't workout trade. Two picks to get emmanuel sanders can't re signed him and then trade. Three picks to brandon you now. Brandon ultimately is the great pick. What you just lost. What seven draft picks. Because you had to get edison student workout you can retain standards but you need sanders to make it to the super bowl and now you lost three possible players to get brand. That's that's where when you have to start playing. Pay your best players in franchise which is what the niners are going to start doing. Cato got paid. Fred warner is going to be paid. There's a lot of people that are going to be paid on. Do hope you drafted well enough to maintain death in your because your depth is going to start. Getting and the niners. Mrs on draft picks and the utilization of resources to through value charts. They valued the wide receiver position. They wanted a wide receiver like uk. They thought pettit was going to be that guy he wasn't they had to get sanders when you have to do those types of small things to get it when you're tuned that's not very good not paying anybody and has a ton of resources doesn't mean anything twenty twenty one twenty twenty two. That's when we're going to see how much those mistakes come back to her. Before the niners. I have never actually connected those dots. Before with the wide receivers with the perez emmanuel sanders dots. That is fascinating to me because it helps explain how the forty niners got in the situation that they're in over and over and over we've heard john lynch and kyle shanahan and even adam peters earlier this off season say that this draft is hugely important to the forty niners that they have to restock their roster and i think it may be part of the reason that they are not going all out for watson because they need these draft picks. Because like you said they've had to give up so much capital throughout the years to make up for their mistakes that you can't keep kicking the can down the road forever and so here's where we are. Yeah i think that that's exactly it. I never put the. I never connected those dots. Man that is you're blowing my mind right now like they could potentially miss out on a twenty five year old absolute stud of a quarterback not just because but partly because they missed on dante pettis and twenty eight t. That is that's ridiculous. yeah. I mean it's hurt them in different ways to i mean if you look at it i think john lynch and kyle shanahan the one thing. They've made very clear in their franchises. Am a very strict value chart so they value positions in a great order. And you can see that if they think a guard is worth three million dollars only gonna pay three million dollars in. It's something where you look at. Get rid of mike person right. The right guard in two zero line when big west went out wasn't wasn't the biggest issue. I still think that quarterback play has hurt this offense of wine a lot more. I am in that line of thinking but but their idea to replace mike person which just give the same. Three million dollars to tom com. Who was just an absolute bust. And it's where you have to start asking yourself with. The niners is there value chart and they're they're strict disciplined to remain tied to your exact value players. That earning what they're doing here. I don't know it's it's fascinating because we're gonna see a lot clear out over the next two years that's going to dictate is kyle shanahan. The coach still in twenty four twenty three and twenty twenty four. I think that in general of value driven organization like the forty niners is a very good thing. I think it helps with your process. What i also think and this is something i wrote about him. Niners nation dot com a little while ago. There comes a time when you have to go away from that when you have to recognize certain people certain decisions need to be made beyond the value chart because of the impact that they can have not a lot. You can't keep making exceptions again and again and again but once in a while there are decisions that had to be made that go beyond the value. Char i happen to think quarterback is one of them. I happen to think shawn watson. Ease one of them. You know. I think that if they were going to give up a there is a package that they could put together to get to shawn watson. Maybe it's way more than anyone willing to pay. But they can do it. It might include. Both sides might include whatever the case is but they can't do it. I think that they should do it. That they should throw the value chart to the wind and make the move. I don't know if they ever will do that. Which makes me wonder how they're going to end up with the franchise quarterback so two things you brought up here. That were very interesting to me. The one thing is the first thing about shawn watts. So you asked me this question. Two months ago. I'm a big value chart guy. I like analytics as much as i like watching football and all that so i would have said no. Will you know three first round picks couple of defensive starters. All bad is too rich to mean that went out that that that logic is of thrown out the door. Because it's desperate time. Like don't wanna seem desperate. They don't wanna admit they're desperate but they have a roster. That really has a window. Twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty twos window is still a giant question. Mark and the rams went all in push the chips that table and went and got matthew stafford. The arizona cardinals had in my opinion. Top twelve quarterback in tyler murray seattle seahawks as long as russell wilson pete carroll there. I don't know if they'll ever winning super bowl again but they're gonna win ten football games and it's needed so that means that the niners to compete they they gotta get desperate your shawn watson cap it in twenty twenty one is only ten point five two million dollars theoretically you can have the absolute most stack roster with shawn watson and twenty twenty one and don't make a run and go all in on twenty twenty one so that's one thing i wanted to say the other thing i wanted to say. Is you brought up. The idea of quarterback is one of those positions to you that go beyond value. And you know to me. It's actually one of the funniest things in sports because everybody wants to be idealistic and noble. Say you do whatever you can go. Get your franchise quarterback and then teams do whatever they can to go get their franchise quarterback and they say they paid we. The niners were smart to balk at the price. Stafford on iran's did everything they can to go get him but they were stupid. The the niners smart. Well that that doesn't wind up to me. It's it's either. You do whatever you can to go. Get him when you get him. You have to compliment the team that got him or it's because the line of thinking is whenever somebody goes all in. We criticize it puts me. What the rams are doing while it's crazy while it's something that i would never do while it's goes against everything i've ever learned in the last fifteen years of my life watching football it's respectable and commendable from the standpoint of. They really understand their their option. After treating for jaylen ramsey's either to win this year next year. Not win again. Because they don't pick they don't have capital and they don't have money to move around and so they didn't think golf was the guy they were right about that in my opinion and they went and got a guy who under On particularly very high on matthew stafford. And i'm excited to see how it turns out with them. But i think you bring up that great point that when people say i mean i'll shanahan said it when you see a guy can be one of the five best guys in the league. Do whatever you can to go down on. That guy is right there in the shawn watson. he's not be. he is one of the five best is in the league. So we'll see if they do do whatever they can to get. I just don't understand it. You don't get extra points if you win a super bowl without getting to shawn watson. it's not worth more than a super bowl that you would win if you got him and it worked out. You don't get extra points for sticking to your value chart like it's a pass fail business and the forty niners regime and i love kyle. Shanahan love him. I think he's amazing but they have failed basically pretty spectacularly for three out of the four years. Let's be honest like there's no other way to put it. I know this context and circumstances there. And i get it. But the rams strategy is working they renting. They're going to the playoffs. The forty niners are not and they're not even that close really so i just. I hope that they see that. It's time like you said kind of to get desperate to make a move because just doing what you're doing. Hope is not a strategy. The big thing for them is. I think i think like this context of talking about what's matters organization to organization right. He's not the right fit for every organization. The reasons the right fit for the niners is because there isn't a long term plan here with the forty niners. They're still not committed to jimmy garoppolo so even if they run it back. Bring a ton of guys back. They're still not one hundred percent. Restructuring garoppolos contract insane. He's the guy which means that there isn't a long term play your regardless of how many employers you have on your roster twenty twenty three if the quarterbacks out there which is why i think they are in place and the organised spot where they might have to get desperate because to me these next two years especially twenty twenty one is the year. Yeah i mean. I i did. This inauguration day levin black and i who hosts the thursday show on the niners nation podcast network just did a look like how many people do you think will. Can you definitely say we'll still be with the forty niners in four years and guess what the list is like. Maybe one honestly even if you include kyle shanahan in that list like the how many guys i mean i'll ask you in four years. Would you say definitely one hundred percent you know. We're going to be on the forty niners. George kittle warner. Wis kind of stopped for me. I mean honestly. I would if i would throw kid on the for shawn watson in a second in fact one of the first guys. I would offer up here at three first. Round fixing kittle. I would do that deal and be thrilled if that was all. Yeah i mean. I think you'd have to consider it just because of the player that the texans are offering i think the big thing for the niners and i do want to touch on this aspect of it because i think this is a detail of it. That's kind of outside of the control of what we've been talking about. And it's consistent reports has been from guys like adam schefter has been that the texans don't aren't moving to shawn watts. They don't seem ready to do business and to me. The niners big issue is that that two point four million dollars to cut. Garoppolo is up. Til juniper staffer june i is money becomes guarantee and i think the texans are the type of petty organization. Where they're going to wait for this to get ugly. They're gonna make the sean. They're going to ask the questions of sean. Are you willing to sacrifice your body. Are you willing to not come to camp. And they're gonna of course painted as the bad teammate. Because he's not coming to camp with his team and all of bad so it's going to get up for me and i don't think the niners are in a position to weight that out. I think they got him. Make some move. Whether it's it's gotta be some move made whether you're committing to jimmy whether you're trading upper quarterback whether you're drafting a quarterback whether you're trading sean sean. I think that they have to make one of those three or four moves. One of them has to be made so there is a plan here because right now they look like a team. That's just trying to pit it to the next factor the next guy to the next guy. Let's figure this out. Your quarterback is supposed to help you and right now jimmy. Garoppolo is not consistently healthy. His plays not consistently good on the field and his contract is such right now. Because they're afraid to restructure it. It's hamstring the team and preventing them from freeing up more catherine to bolster the team around him. So you are not getting anything from that position right now. And that's the thing for me. The forty niners could use more capra. Who can't right. There's a way to do that. You can restructure your quarterback and free up cap room except they don't wanna do that because they know he's not the guy so you know he's not the guy what are you doing. There's an expression what must be done eventually. Must done immediately. Why keep yourselves held hostage. The rams just got rid of jared goff the most untradable unmovable contract in the league. That's all we were told again and again. Well guess what he suited up for the lions next year so why i just cannot see them doing nothing and and thinking that. That is the best possible way to move forward. Yeah i one hundred percent agree. It's got to be one of those three apprehension moves. It's gotta be. Go get draft your quarterback in whatever fashion whether it's trading off trading down whatever whatever you think it is but draft him makes the move for watson. Who's clearly clearly a huge upgrade regardless for most quarterbacks evenings giant upgrade from jimmy or restructure jimmy. show your faith in jimmy and go sign a bunch of people. like reese Go get trent williams. Bring him back. Bring back jason bread bring back to quasi carton have this loaded team and try to recreate twenty nineteen. But you can't sit here and do nothing. Let's take a break and when we come back. I have a little sort of draft conspiracy since you mentioned moving up. I want to go through. How i think that that might happen. And why we haven't seen anything right now so let's take a break and when we come back. We'll do that more she. 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Welcome back to the niners nation podcast network okay. So let's just say since you mentioned it before. We went to break fish. That the forty niners decide. They're going to move up in the draft for their quarterback. But it's gonna take some pics because there's a few teams that are ahead of the niners. That i think want quarterbacks. I think atlantic go quarterback i think that philadelphia could absolutely go quarterback. So they're they're going to have to move up i think. Is it possible that they work out a scenario. Where maybe on draft day. Or right. I would say on draft day. They move a jimmy garoppolo to the patriots to acquire a draft. Pick that they then use a package to move up higher in the draft. That cantrade jimmy geeta. The patriots now picks because that kind of tips their hand but if they wait a little while and do it during the draft. Maybe they have a better chance to sort of get ahead of those other teams. Does that make sense. Or am i crazy. No i think that's actually best scenario. If they like one of the draft quarterbacks trae land. So zack. Wilson adjusting fields. If they like one of those guys show much that they have to get him and obviously they can't then obviously then you can't jimmy or can't move jimmy. I think the big thing with that is that you're keeping jimmy's twenty seven million dollars cap hit on the books. So the big thing is of course. Prog rock genius. But when you're going into re-sign jason garrett and you're going into re-sign trent williams. How do you structure it where it all fits under the contract until you move jimmy and then you're replacing him with very cheap rookie starting quarterback so i think that would be the big thing to look at what otherwise i think if they're still in the mood where they wanna move jimmy garoppolo which at this point like we know that they're not one hundred percent sold on him but we don't know if they're one hundred percent into moving him. I mean chapters big prediction. Yesterday was that he thought that the niners were going to stick with jimmy. So we don't know those those parts those details to it. But if that's how they feel that. I think that would be the best case scenario. Which of those. Three quarterbacks assuming obviously trevor lawrence is already gone. So i'm talking zack. Wilson trae lanson justin fields. Do you think the forty niners would want. I justin fields. I i don't. I can't really tell. What the forty niners. Yet and full full disclosure. I've really only really gotten into watching zack. Excuse me zach wilson. I've seen a few tv games of justin fields in a few tv games of trae lands and i liked justin fields. The most to me. Zack wilson is the most creative of the three. And you've got the highest ceiling. But i think just just been consistent. We solid very good player. And i think within this offense he can be a really good player. But i think all three have extremely Positive physical traits to look at and be excited about. They all have strong arms. The all can move. They all can throw off platform. They all can do a variety of different things where you look at the raw skill sets and you'd say with file shanahan theoretically should work. Because they're physically so gifted one name. Sorta got out there on friday with sam darnold who according to some reports could be available for a second round pick which to me means he'd probably end up getting traded for like a third round pick but a lot of forty niners twitter as thrown out sam darnold. And here's the thing i've said about sam. He's got the same problems as jimmy. He can't stay healthy and he turns the ball over plus. I'm actually curious. Do we really know for sure that sam darnold is that much. Better than josh rosen. Because they already have. Josh rosen and rosen's hell of a lot cheaper than darnold will be. I think we can say yet. So i like rosen. More than darnold in that draft i. Donald was really lawn rack lacking polish. I thought the andrew luck compares for so rich because andrew luck was literally up like a top fifteen quarterback in the nfl. His senior year of college. In sam darnold was not like that. Good in the pocket to be honest in college. And so i thought that was crazy. I thought it was a little hyped up because of usc. But i think donald has proven that he is a better player than rose in removes better than rosen. He's been more accurate than rosen. I think rosen displaced to slow. That's been his big problem. He played too slow in arizona. He played too slow in miami. Even though he had a great game is i start verse. Seattle i thought he looked very promising. I was so happy as a guy. that like. Josh rosen a lot. But i i just think that that's when you can bet on. Not big thing with darnold is that there's just such a lack of polish to his game. He's so raw and that's part of the Think people like about him right. He's twenty three years old. You can still mould them into whatever you want. But how long is that gonna take. That's the big thing if you have you have to ask yourself with. If you're the forty niners. I think there is a scenario. Where sam darnold's a good starting quarterback two three years down the road. But i think it's gonna take one to two developmental years with him in a coach and going through that process in the niners. Don't have time for those one to two developmental years. And the other thing for me would sam donald is that after that you're one or actually suited trade princeton. This offseason you have to make a decision on whether you want to pay him. Twenty five million dollars in its this year and let's say you say no to that. Then he's a one year rental who's gonna hit the three agent market and if he plays any sort of solid football like what's he plays like twenty nine hundred jimmy garoppolo. Then you're going to be paying him thirty million dollars because he's a free agent and you have to pay that for him to remain. You're starting quarterback and so for me. There's just too many questions like that. I know people throughout the ryan. Tannehill comparison ryan tannehill with adam gates was just a better player than what sam darnold shown he was more polished. He played like a veteran. he was consistent. He was very accurate. I i know rich madrid writes film reviews for nine hundred nations. Well he posted a great threat about how adam gazes offense doesn't take advantage of sam darnold's athleticism and to me. That was part of the thing that he didn't take advantage of ryan. Tannehill lettuces them. What it's apples to oranges to me. Ryan tannehill was just better. You went ten six with adam gates. I don't put stock into quarterback wins. But he would stand ryan tannehill and adam gates had a winning record together. I think if he doesn't tears. Acl they might put me the playoffs twice. Though tannehill was playing a little nervous coming off that injury that second year so i don't think that's the comparison. I'm not a big fan of it. But i would i understand why people like it Yeah i just don't know why the forty niners are going to the walmart you know that been of. Dvd's at walmart that are next to all the dvd's you actually wanna buy. You don't look for your quarterback in that been like. That's not how you do it especially when you have a coach it's as good as kaushalya and it's kind of amazing to me because i think in kyle's mind he thinks all i need is a guy that can just do this like i'll tell the guy where to throw the ball aga. He doesn't need to be that great. I can get through with him. Which is a complete backwards logic to finding a quarterback. You gotta do with sean payton. Does you get an elite offense of coach. You pair them with a hall of famer and then you put up incredible numbers and have a lot of success. But i think kyle thinks he doesn't need that and i think that's that's backwards thinking. I think that i think that. May i think that that's what a lot of the reason hammered with kirk. Cousins is right because kirk cousins won't make the mistakes that jimmy garoppolo aches. He's a better thrower than jimmy. Garoppolo especially down the field. Grower and kyle feels that you know they have a working relationship that works he gets along really well with kirk and we can make it work from that standpoint. So interesting tidbit. I'll throw a chew on matinee. Oakwoods podcast sage rosenfels went on and he basically seemed to imply that he felt that kyle. Shanahan is no longer married to that idea. That kirk cousins would be as ultimate get at quarterback. The way i read his statement was he said from the standpoint of i think piling kubiak talk and i'm sure they would have a conversation about kirk and i'm not sure pile would feel that way and what i took from that is that maybe i don't think kubiak felt as great about kirk cousins as maybe kyle shanahan felt prior in batch Be and kyle shanahan. So that's what. I read that situation. I think it's really interesting to think about. But i think the ultimate thing is that you gotta go get a quarterback like today's nfl. There's so much there for the quarterback if you have a guy that can do things outside of the structure of the offense and do things within the structure of your offense. Patrick mahomes shawn watson and you have an opportunity to get him like you've gotta you've gotta open every door at least consider and talk about in really really convince yourself that there's a reason you should. I totally agree. I said it yesterday. But i know it's against the rules but i think that kyle should find a way to get a bug into sean watson's ear or his agents ear and say look what we can do together. Look what i. Here's what i wanna do here. So i'm gonna use you. You know. this is what i think we can do together. Because i think that the only way that watson ends up with the forty niners is if he flexes his muscle and kinda strong arms. The texans into doing it. He can say to them. Look it's in the nfc so you could save face with that. You'll still get some pics. You'll get some good defensive players if they can convince watson that san francisco's the spot for him and he goes to the texans and says i got my no trade clause. You can't go anywhere except where i say. That's how they have to engineer this thing. I i know. It's against the rules. But i also know it happens because there's a reason matt stafford ended up with the rams to thrown out there. Yes of course. And i think that would be the best case scenario. I don't know just going back to the sam darnold point. It's just something that. I i'm just not so into i. He's just a guy that had a great pre-draft reputation. The media loves his cohen. Well yeah he's had to go through hell in a new york with what he's had to go through. Every young quarterbacks who failed has had to go through hell in whatever situation. They had to go. Through i i remember being a kid and i'll alex smith was one of the first players i ever saw drafted by the forty niners. That was the biggest. Alex smith fan and no body gave alex smith. The excuse of mike nolan making him play on his bed shoulder. Seven different offensive coordinators. The fact that alex smith when he came out with a quarterback that was comfortable in the shotgun with the game spread out and he was released. Mark we can you where to go with the ball pre snap and he would just wanted the field open up and they tried to put him in archaic offenses where you're running. Twenty one twenty two personnel having him under center in the i formation handing it off to frank gore and all that but nobody really gave frank alex smith any of those excuses and to me. Sam darnold is lucky from the standpoint that he's gotten all the excuses that i think every young quarterback should get but at some point like it's like the phillies situation from last year. Why are you calling bad. Receivers bad offense of wine bed but quarterback play also bed. Yeah the both of those things are all of those things i should say can be true and i think it's the same thing with the forty niners a lot of the time. Like the jimmy defenders like to point to the offensive line and the blocking. It's not very good. It's like yeah that can be true and the quarterback can still play bad. They don't operate in a vacuum of one another. Well we'll see where it goes. The quarterback talk has has never seem right. It's exhausting and it feels like until the niners eight one of those moves that we've mentioned earlier it's gonna be never ending. And if they don't Restructure jimmy and they go into next season with jimmy. It's gonna take jimmy garoppolo starting week one and being on the field and everybody to see it for us to stop this conversation. 'cause post june first. Then the matt ryan speak come cheaper for the forty niners to get. And if the falcons sacred quarterback than that will be a conversation for a little bit. So i just think that until they make one of these moves. It's gonna be exhausting. And i don't know at what point jimmy garoppolo like. You can't not you're all these things like. At what point do you just like. Go your hands up and say i'm done with this. That would be going through this. Go ahead jimmy. Get on the phone. Now that's what you need to do. Go make a fuss. Please kick up a fuss and say you want to be done with san francisco. That would be music to my ears but okay. Let's end the quarterback talk for the purposes of this episode because free agency is coming fast and furious couple of weeks now. We're going to have the legal. Tampering period starts which is hilarious. Because there's tampering going on right now. I think that there's not you're out of your mind that at the combine. There's the tampering is like nothing you've ever seen. I literally have gone to the combine multiple years and seen and heard the tampering take place because the coaches and gm's are all drinking at the same restaurants while they're waiting. You know during the combine. What do you think they're talking about. They're not talking about politics. I'll tell you that so anyway. Plenty of that going on free agencies coming who are a couple of free agent targets that you think forty nine that are realistic. The forty niners yet in the open market so obviously the niners free agency is going to start with their is and to me the four. I think that needs to be coming back. Are a obviously trent williams one jason garrett to and then it's kyle used chicken to quasi car from me and i think that you card has been a very underrated player with the forty niners. I didn't know what he will mention him. What those four. But i think that what jimmy ward him do. Being very complete football players both of them being able to play single high both of them being able to play sports safety both of them being able to play in the fox won't them being very good in man coverage zone coverage. They do every single thing you ask you either very few sticky tandems where you can point to guys. That are that complete. So i think he is important. I understand the health thing with him the other so now we go to the open market and there's really two two positions i would like them to address in the open market and that's corner and that's edge rusher and with edge rusher. I think unique in gawk way is going to have a situation like the davian clowney situation in the past two years. He's a guy who's had a ton of success. He's a guy who got traded and was on that one year rental in minnesota but then moved to baltimore. He had a pretty solid season. He's an explosive pass rusher. he's a good pass rusher. I think he's going to be looking to get the big bag in this market. He's not going to get he's going to end up signing as a one year accent incentive laden deal somewhere and i think that's a guy that the niners should wait on and china got because him and nick. Nikko would be beyond phenomenal. The other guys. I think i'm going to look at is. I think they gotta go to the corner position and i think keller witherspoon. I think he might be gone. Now you'll daniel mostly in. We're hoping they bring back. I think you just need to bring in someone to compete for your starting. I'm gonna bring up too and popular names chat griffin and kevin king two guys that are comparable playing in a similar scheme convinced or have the traits. The niners liked heaven. King a lot before the draft. If you look at peter king long expert day on that draft. John lynch were john. Lynch is doing situps with a pillow in his hotel room at all of that one of the guys they had a conversation about was kevin king in that and kevin king is to me a like yeah. He had a terrible. Nfc championship game. Yeah he's not a good number one. I think he's a guy that you can come in and having compete for your second quarter job Good death same thing with check griffin to mean so. I think those would be true. Good bargains signings. 'cause you can be convinced that between those between variet- and one of those two in emmanuel moseley you will have a solid starting corner tended with spoon thing to me is mystifying. Because he's right. He's awesome like he's really good. The problem is when he gets down he just spirals and he he can't pick himself backup so to me whether or not you re sign him almost like do you think you have the guy or group of guys that can keep his head on straight because if you do you could get a really good corner at way lower than the cost of a really good corner. Yeah i i believe that. I believe that he's going to be a good corner in the nfl just because he's so if adequate gifted. I think it's a matter of going to a defense or going to a place that's going to use them in a standpoint. I think best user skillset think he has to be. Just on the line of scrimmage and just play man craftsmen coverage lot. The niners played a lot more to men. when he had his resurgence. At the end of the season i think helped him especially like the arizona. Game was a lot of jason baretta. Kelo witherspoon being very physical with the andre. Agassi's at the line of scrimmage and that was a very different from how they played them week one and so i think that a kello witherspoon in defense like that would like if he goes to maybe like denver and plays with vic fangio or something like that. I don't know. I think he could be pretty successful. Use it very gifted. You mentioned unique. I would love for unique in gong to end up with the forty niners. Because you're right. They need an answer at that spot. And that is like one of the few positions where i feel like the forty niners. Could maybe convinced somebody to come take less money because their front can be so good like if you tell him like you're not the guy that's getting double teams like never. You're you're never going to the double team coming here. You'll have him bosa armstead. It'll be able to play a little more on the inside. Which is i think where. He's better off. Plus kinlaw is going to develop. I think kinlaw is going to be. He's not going to be deforest. Buckner but i think he's going to be really good like you put in ghanchi there. That is a perfect persistent for him. To succeed and blow up for that one year like you're talking about and then go get paid in two thousand twenty two right and then the other option to me that similar to dock way. But i think he's going to be much. More of a bargain is trying to convince. Melvin ingram to leave one boasted and complain on the other side of another. So and i think. Melvin ingram at this point is a worst player little bit than in god i think. He's on the downside of his career. But if you're asking him just to be a rotational situational pass rusher. There's a ton of value for him to just come on third downs and in his ears back in wreak havoc and the other thing too. I wonder is the success of the niners in free agency and how that impacts what they do the draft right like if they get in gone kway or another edge rusher that they like for the next couple of years do they then pass on an edge rusher in the first round because they feel like they have that covered. So you know. I think sometimes we think of teens make draft plans that they're gonna go this position no matter what we gotta factor in free agency and how that affects things also. Yeah and to me that. That's what makes the nfl's entire concept of having free agency before the draft so stupid because the draft the drafted players younger in these cheaper and the worst case scenario for your team. Is you overpay for a player at a certain position of need and then you realize to two months later that in the draft a certain player of that same position with great physical traits falls to you when you can't draft just overpaid for not so i think that that's why the concept of having the draft. I think it should be drafted in free agency to me. You should be able to get the younger cheaper player whoever's available first and then you go over pay for whatever you need. I just think that that entire concept is just totally fun. It makes no sense to ask the one sort of aspect of the nfl. Calendar that. I feel like it's actually in favor of the players right. The players union cares more about the veterans currently in the league than the incoming rookie class. And it's you're right. It's better for them to have free agency before the draft for that exact reason. I'm sure they'll try and get that worked out immediately. Though they they won't have anything to benefit right right right by actually agree point. I never thought of it from the players aspect that's actually banned tastic because then teams are willing to overpay because if they do draft that guiding your price just gets cut in half which is brutal and i think too. I think there's part of it is like the owners like to go ahead and be that team that at twelve o one when the new league year starts has the agreement with that big star. And you get to splashy coverage and all that. I think there's part of them likes that. Don't i don't think people think about that enough. Like these owners like to be involved in this jerry jones said it and i was so true he said basically like if i go out on the stock market or in the oil business whatever and i make a million dollars nobody cares but if i draft a guard in the second round everybody goes nuts and i think there's an aspect to that these guys like to feel like they're you know in the mix make moves making decisions and so i think part of that is free agency and part of that is the reason why it's a before the draft. Yeah one hundred percent. I think the business aspect of the nfl is actually something that doesn't get talked about it like some players are paid and stuff because they're inherently more marketable and more talked about than other players is just. They might not be as good. Football players are better football players. It's just how it happens. And i think it's something to maybe look at. What the forty niners situation. Because jimmy garoppolo is marketable and replacing jimmy garoppolo with sam darnold is not easy sell from a business standpoint. In my opinion now. I don't think that's why you should ever make a decision. And i don't think that's why the forty niners will make a decision in this case but i do think it's an angle of the nfl. A lot of people forget to look at. If you're analyzing you've got gotta look at every angle in. That's one angle that i think you should take a look at and i because i've been trying to figure this out all off seats wire fans so attached to jimmy garoppolo when he really hasn't done that much in his nfl career. And i think what you just talked about is all part of it right. They acquired jimmy g. Handsome looks so good. They made a big deal about jimmy g. He's coming to the bay area. You got this young good looking guy. He's got a good personality. Smiles all the time and they played right into that with all the marketing and all the jimmy g. q. All that stuff. That i think has helped sort of bond him with the fans in san francisco plus of course the super bowl berth. And that's why. I think you've got people that are so attached to this guy when really he doesn't warrant that kind of love right. I mean tooth. it's really to within. it's the fact that he's really well spoken. He's really kind. He doesn't he doesn't seem to be diva. There's not much fuss about him. I think that's one thing to. He seems to be extremely well received and well liked amongst his players and coaches in peers and well respected. That's something that like. There's never been a player. That's come out and said anything bad about jimmy garoppolo with the forty niners to think that's a testament to the players that the forty niners have gotten the three years but i think it's also testament to jimmy garoppolo in the effect he has on other people and then the third thing to me is that is that record and i think that people really need to put the record pass them. Because i don't think you i or anybody else who says that the niners can do better than jimmy garoppolo or saying that he's worse than nick mullins. Cj beathard. i think we both. We all wholeheartedly agree that he's a much better player than either of those guys. The question is that the level of player he is. Is that good enough when the team starts not as ideal situation as it was from playcalling standpoint from a personnel standpoint in twenty nineteen. Y'all i mean that's clearly what it is the fact that when he's been hurt his replacements have been so horrible makes people long for the days when jimmy garoppolo could throw his passes. Behind the line of scrimmage that depot and tear into like first downs. Because they're incredible. But i said you know what i said. We weren't going talk quarterbacks anymore and we're right back here so that's it we don't mean yes. That's the penalty. the show is ending now. Sorry everybody we'll try and do better next time this. We really appreciate you coming on with us. I really appreciate it. I wanted to talk to you. I set for a long time. I think you make people smarter. You made me smarter so thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. It was really an honor to do this with you. I really enjoyed my time. Thank you you can find him on twitter at vici- kumar and you can find him on. The youtube channel blake and vicious sports. As well as mondays. With everybody's favourite forty niners beat writer grant cohen. Thanks for listening to the niners nation. Podcast network. we'll talk to you next week.

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Instant Reaction: 49ers Draft CB Ambry Thomas in Round 3

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Instant Reaction: 49ers Draft CB Ambry Thomas in Round 3

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show our team of national and local experts at the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leaving mind from around the industry subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show wherever you get your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond what should everybody stats and k. p. back with you break down the final pick of data to for the forty niners. Cornerback ambrose thomas for michigan. Kp you know cornerbacks better than anybody. I know what do i need to know here. He can run. And when you can run you can. I saw some people you know what wanting so asante samuel earlier and then this last round was elisa molden from washington. Those guys are small and slow to combos that. Do not work in the nfl. Ameri thomas is five eleven so good size and he also ran a four three seven and he jumped thirty eight inches inch vertical so explosive he's also very good at attacking the ball in the air. So i watch a lot of what i notice was. Whenever the ball was in the air he contested everything. And that is probably got. The forty niners gravitated to as you know. This team has not been good finding turnovers and takeaways at the cornerback position. So with that in mall employee. You're standing like retirement. He opted out this past season. So i flew to wife l. since you know. There's not a lot of tape on him but he played at the senior bowl. One thing that i really really like about him. I think he's going to be the starting kick returner. I think he's going to be the washing machine games. He had at least four returns where he was tackled by the shoestring seriously he came back close to breaking. He had one that he did take the house but he's he really shouldn't player and i could see him doing damage if not this year on defense In a couple years. That is something that this team really needs. They have not had a good kick returner since game was around. What twenty eleven. I think he came with jim. Harbaugh like they never seem to have a good returner. And i would love it but i feel like every time we say. Oh yeah this person is going to be a returner for the forty niners precaution. And like he never goes with that person i mean. They had dante pettis who was the record holder for college football returns and they net he had one kick return and his whole niners career and he fumbled it just you. They have been so bad at fill position to because of this. So they're relying either on their defense getting stops and by stops. I mean three and out which. That's not sustainable. That you can't allow you can expect your defense. Do every possession free offense to you know. Take over at a good starting position. So i really liked the thomas pig. I'm probably one of my favorite picks of the day for them are probably is my favorite pick of the day for him so even when you look at his stats as a player so he allowed a forty nine percent. Completion percentage during his last season. He had three interceptions. He broke up seven passes so he was very very active and just aggressive and i think that's another thing what they really need guys with confidence guys who know they can make plays who have made plays before. Because i think that does go a long way. I'm fascinated by this pick for another reason. And that's because somebody with the forty niners had to talk to. I would imagine. Jim harbaugh at michigan and i'm fascinated to know how forthcoming old. Jim was to talk to his former employer about this pick. Do you think kyle shanahan spoke to tomorrow do they. I don't know what is there like dynamic. Do they like each other. They have any sort of history. I have no idea i. I don't know either. But i just. I have spoken on the phone to jim harbaugh before and i've seen him in person because he recruited kid high school that i used to coach at. He just seems like a crazy person. And that's not breaking news at all. But i can just see him. Hold the animosity towards the forty niners for whoever is coaching for all of the players. So that alone would make me think that these guys like he would just tell him you know. I don't know but at the same time it's his player like you would think he would gas them up and say he's the greatest ever so yeah that that's a that's a fun story line there but i mean it's jim harbaugh man. There's just i'm just playing out stories in my head. I'm sure you know to. But he's just a wild child man. So yeah i. I don't know what to say about him but i think just going back to every time it's like they got a good player and that's what really matters here and you know i'm doing a little reading on him. One of the things. I saw that i thought was interesting. Was it says. He was praised by the michigan coaching staff for his competitive nature. If you get praised by jim harbaugh for being competitive. You are a crazy person. Because there's no one more competitive than him and getting back to embrey thomas just as an example of that. He was in the hospital with colitis for a month and he lost thirty five pounds and doctors and everybody are telling him. You should probably sit out the season. Not only did he not sit out the season he and miss a single game. If that's not competitive. I don't know what is yeah. That's what you want a guy that is willing to do anything and everything to get back at it. And that's what he did so he didn't play in twenty twenty but that had nothing to do with the client status more duty with covert reason. So yeah if play it. He probably would have been a second round picks of anything the forty niners benefited from thomas. Not playing football this past season. I thought another thing that was interesting in the press conference at the forty niners just had they were quick to point out that he was basically a pick that was championed by adam. Peters which i thought was interesting You know there was a lot of talk about who likes what quarterback in the front office. I thought that was kind of a nice way for the niners to sort of give him a little bit of. Yeah i was. And because peters is the man he's the guy going around the country doing the traveling doing the heavy lifting doing the scouting so another thing. That was interesting was the three picks that they had today where all participants at the senior bowl so with lack of film with the lack or just with the covert situation that went on around college football. They relied on the senior bowl so they were either talking to the director. Jim nagy getting a lot of information there. Or that's where. Adam peters was and then he just took the guy's air but at the same time they've done that the past couple of years. So maybe we should have seen this coming. The other thing from the press conference that jumped out to me Kyle shanahan was asked about aaron banks the the guard they took earlier in the day. And the question was kind of phrase like. Hey you don't usually take players like this. And kyle like he gets prickly anytime anybody suggests they might know something about him or the players. He likes he immediately. Responds with you know. Well we don't have. We don't draft a particular type of guy we we you know we guys that can do this. That and the like. He doesn't like when anybody might suggest that they might know what he's thinking or doing. Part of me just wants to start doing that from now on knowing that he's going to get upset because he's been on edge for a couple of weeks now like whenever. It seems like he talks. He's almost waiting for somebody to bait him and then so he can respond like that and then he'll follow up his next presser saying well. I didn't mean it like that or well. i want to clarify. Not we know what you meant man. So there's no taking it back. And i don't think there's anything wrong with that. I understand the frustration of being labeled as something so in his case he just wants to break that narrative. And don't think there's anything wrong with that yeah. I think that was a big part of the draft. I mean i think he loved being able to take trae lance and tell people stop connecting me kirk cousins and match shaab and i think the same thing happened with banks today. I think he. He's really trying to tell. People like do not pigeonhole me into one thing or the other. Because i'm going to prove you wrong and again and again and you look stupid. How so this is really ridiculous. Even asked what how much of trae lance was centered around. I'm not going to do what they think i'm going to do. And knowing and he and they came out and said you know they weren't really in on mac jones and the media essentially was played the whole time which is even more hilarious but i wonder if a small piece of him was like. Oh this kid. Yeah i really like him and this is just me telling them all to shut up and never do that again. It's not the primary thing that led them to make that decision. But i you'd be stupid if he didn't think that was at least a small part of it. I think that they like it. Like kyle said this week. He goes on social media. He reads this stuff. Like he's kinda got rabbit ears a little more than i thought and i. I'm convinced now that that was definitely part of thinking. I think he likes. You know he's got a little har- in them that way throughout the middle finger to the media little bit i love him and keep it under wraps keep it to yourself but this trae lance did not come out of nowhere and i know we're going talking about all the draft picks now on. He was on sports on thursday night. John lynch and shannon. We're talking to bp and lynch told him that lance called him on a sunday night in january and said. Hey i like land. So that's how far this lance bit goes back. Kyle just got obsessed with him and they started watching tape. And there. you go not trae lance the quarterback One thing. I saw on twitter that i just wanna shut down right now. The the whole tray area but we're not we're not headed. I hate it. I hate it already. And god forbid lance throws a touchdown trey sermon. We gotta shut that down now fleas. How about this. There's an opportunity for the team to draft another tray. I don't know who. But i'm sure that there's another way in draft so that would make trust trays. And if that happens. Rob you might not be able to log onto the internet again. No no like we can do better than just it. Don't come up with these little funny cool twitter things that you think will get you a lot of re tweets or likes stop it. We gotta shut that down. It's happened man no and you. There's nothing that you can do to stop it now. I'm rooting for trade. To trae traded trays actually better or at least that that's better than the trae area. Know what what would be the alternative in this scenario because you know as we as we get outside of the box it's only going to become more and more insufferable. Yeah i can't even think of one at this point. Look it's almost twelve thirty. Am in connecticut. Where i am right now. pithy little nicknames. Not what you're gonna get outta me at this particular. I'm sorry i'm letting you guys down. I know nine twenty. Three where i am. We have plenty of time. The weather's nice great draft for the forty niners. Great weather outside as always rob thank you.

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Scarlett Jimmies Ep. 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, and the process vs. results

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Scarlett Jimmies Ep. 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, and the process vs. results

"Welcome back to the second episode of the niners honors nation podcasts aka scarlet. Jimmy's and we are only gonna talk about jimmy garoppolo today. I was special guest here. Here's seth galena seth what's going on there so i'm seth tell people your background and so for those that don't know the reason that we're doing this. Obviously is because jimmy garoppolo struggled. You know this against the broncos. Everybody's seen it. We're gonna go a little in depth on that. We're going to go over just his five throws because one of those throws was just a screen pass. We're gonna talk a little bit about his mechanics. Are we're gonna talk about. Is there anything to worry about and just what some of what seth has seen in the past as well so seth floors yours real quick just to tell us what you do what you do quarterback wise. Take it from there. Yes i'm quarterback coach and actually lasted. I coached linebackers linebackers at a university here. I'm not a linebacker coach and i'm sure alignment on a team that pretty quickly quarterback coach and i read about the the football quarterback rebounds on twitter insert. Watch <hes> you know just trying to watch as much much of quarterbacks kent some yeah you guys can find a seth. What's your twitter handle at such galina so s. e. t. h. achieve and yet he is constantly talking about quarterbacks and if you're into that you're into just learning more about the quarterback condition. He's a good follow so check him out but let's let's get into it so we will just go down each throw like i mentioned where you're going to. I'll talk about you know what the niners were. We're doing in that. We're gonna talk about just some digit. Jimmy's decision making in the result in the process a little bit of everything so a first the very first throw the niners and by the way you guys probably don't know this but i am akasha handstand and there are a lot of parts parts during these five throws that were obviously not garoppolos fault. There were plenty of that war his fault. The play calling was not his fault at all awesome share that seth would agree with that so our started off here very first throw forty niners are coming out in a when we let's see what it was here so they are in an empty formation which is great and denver is in a in man coverage so there's one safety deep and they have another safety who is basically playing a robber quote unquote robert. He's gonna take away any crossing crossing routes over the middle of the field in the the forty niners get a great match up so they have daunted kudus and von miller one one on one it was i mean it. It is exactly how you draw it up and it actually works out perfectly. Dante gets open but garoppolo ends up having his the past tip so again you you guys already know this but a shannon big on motion so he motions out tab coleman so it's empty so to the bottom of the screen yet you have <hes> too tight end sorry roswell in college so you have marquees golden dante pettis and said. I don't know if you recall the play on do you. I'm recalling currently washington hunt much or yes so <hes> shakes von miller. The line of scrimmage gets opened a passes chips and we were talking a little bit about mechanics on jimmy garoppolo he he doesn't really step into his throws but seth of you want explain. Why why that is that is that is what they're teaching these days. Go ahead yes so this is kind of the new thing that's being taught at the lower levels on end. It's kind of infiltrated infiltrated the some of the higher level people in garoppolo is one of those guys where were not really teaching a big follow through on juhu of watch drop global see that there's just kind of frozen from from almost a stance what looks like a sense and what is really doing it you know so he's a he's a right <hes> so what he's doing all these doing that left foot. You know we used to talk doc about can we. We got a step toward target. That's not really a thing. We're actually evening our throw with baxter of collect the <unk> like the mid point of your of your foot kind of games as it's kind of open facing field so all he's doing is stepping with that left foot of adapted like it's just get it off the air and get off the ground in back in the ground so that a now his hips can begin to rotate but what we're kind of teaching now is that we don't want a super huge rotation because then we get off balance. It's hard to control your body. If you're just you know giving it everything from the back leg throwing your body forward. We're gonna end ended up leaning heavily as a writer. You're gonna end up meeting. Heavily to your left and then your arm is going to get out of whack and you end up with with an accuracy so with garoppolo does puts it in up and down all these doing his firing his hips as fast as possible and in stopping and what that does does is creates kind of whipped type of situation where now the rest of his body's playing catches with his hips the hips go and then the ribcage aged goes and then the shoulder in the armed and it creates such a whip attention that we don't need to overcompensate but putting a lot of weight you to it. We get all the momentum we need with. Just you know that kind of quick movement the hips and if he doesn't and there's not a guy who are doing it. You know matt ryan does it. Radi doesn't and the semi where you learned from <hes> but it is kinda the t._c. Again and i think in ten to fifteen years when the kids start playing clean energy that are learning analogy young age gets the n._f._l. You're gonna see most quarterbacks do that so so. I don't think like you know the mechanics are really really pointed ruoppolo. He just he just can't get the ball to the receiver and yeah so the very first throw is tipped hit by the nose of the nose tackle who is not even rushing really and just a touch on point real quick that is just to speed up the process in everybody knows does. He has one of the quickest releases in the n._f._l. So this is just to become even more efficient and you fall in a couple of rows where the result didn't end up exactly anyhow wanted to but he just doesn't need as much space to operate when you just when he is only lifting that front foot up and down but i i play batted down how much of how much do we put on the quarterbacks for batted passes. How much of that is bad is worse look often. How much is that just this bad luck. I wanna believe it's bad luck but i've been told that maybe this happened sue jimmy johnson audience than happening <unk> training camp so so maybe it's jimmy thing. I don't want to believe that because it just seems like so random like there's no originally in this first place or any reason for that for the <hes> the nose or whoever it is to not rush but yeah okay he's he's he sees kinda. Rocco's is a noses a quick ask but at the same time like you know in you know hundred million different universes. He's rushing the windows open. You throw <unk> psychotic. Wanna believe it's random but i'm not sure and the only reason for this specific example. I don't think that it's random is because he's just staring him down the entire so i voted for sure and you talk about shannon this is this is kind of the n._f._l.'s staple empty play and so if you want if you you know the saints rams all time to kamara or michael thomas on the on the backside of the empty formation and it's there all the time for breeze and one of the things he does at that. I don't think garoppolos doing arts of washed talking with one of the things he does so what is the two three receiver side this was stick concept khansa and to the backside. The two receivers were handled throwing pettus. There is a choice route or you know what i call option so pettus lettuce can go go in l. or he can. Just sit down with its own and in this case you choose to go in because miller of plays allows him to go in because he's going inside and with the coverage by the rocco's acclaim. There's one player that can make a plate and it's the middle linebacker who said is robbie those routes that are coming coming inside so when you see brees run this exact same play he's all-women's always has his eyes on that player and you know he knows she's gonna go to camaro. He's going to go to michael thomas because those guys are always gonna win their routes and usually it's against a linebacker so as to make make sure that mike player stays to the three receiver side and if you watch supply garoppolo gilpin straits to the <hes> to receiver side and it's not the mike who gets in the way like you said it's the defensive tackle was just sitting there who is never woman wollen and yeah. That's a good point. I'm glad you brought up the breeze. <hes> for those don't know stick concepts so to the bottom the screen and the very first play juice chat is just he's gonna run off. He's going to run deep. A seven coleman is the next guy he's like a four or five yard out and and then the tight end dwelling he's actually gonna run the stick route and he actually runs the stick nod so he's gonna run six yards act like he's he's going out and then pivot back up the field like a double move like an outlook and it's what i was gonna. Ask seth br breeze and i know exactly acura. You're talking about when he he throws to thomas quick. Does he hold the the middle backer. He hold them going to the left and then comes back. Quick knowing that thomas is gonna win is fine he'll do they'll change drp depending on whether he's opening to his leftover into his right the cease to <unk> never play but but yeah he's a he he kinda wayside at some times ads like this is a <unk> pettus knows that acts when blog miller's lined up in front of you doesn't have to make up big time remove <unk> watches a bang it on the slant usually that doesn't happen this incredible that they get one miller lineup doc but it doesn't happen to the regular season a lot to the saints like there's at least a will linebacker true coverage linebacker playing playing on the camera or mike. Tomlin is michael corner. It's so he eats agreed actually have to wait on a little bit more. Wile mile is his slot receiver mesa move and in this case he doesn't get anything because this is in the open field railway. There's no point invasion of on on when you could just use your quickness to the beat. 'em inside yeah wonder if i wonder if in the meeting today shanahan told him just glance somewhat literally anywhere else that's it just look at look at the inside shoulder the might i just open up a bit you said it mike who makes the play because the ball's tipped of is a completion but it would that movement that those eyes would've actually probably held the defensive tackle who makes the plant and we can move john after this the crazy thing is that if that ball's not tit that robber actually falls down in denver's man coverage pedestals probably still running right now they just everything happened so perfectly on that play. It just happened to be tipped all right so next play third and six. This was the interception exception so the forty niners are in eleven personnel so they have goodwin to the bottom of the screen jordan mathews the slot receiver receiver they have breed in the backfield and then to the top of the screen they have pettus and they have a dwelling is the in line tight end so the concept is an insult wide trailer. They're gonna they're gonna motion. The tight end from one side to the other day are so shannon causes smack same. It's nuts. It's just like a china concept so archies. <unk> outside can run a curl route of jordan. Mathews is gonna run a slant. I and rita who i think is at fault for a lot of this so he's supposed to run the same route. He gets too wide and carries his route right to good one. I really don't think he's supposed to do. I don't know if you have anything to add to that but i don't think he should be why light i don't know how much it affects the corner who ends up in the play right and i agree with you yeah and that's true and i'm not and i'm definitely not absolving garoppolo of this because the decision was pouring and they had some miscommunication upfront as well so <hes> bradley bradley chubb he hits stay with inside move and say we just let them run free and they ran a little game of the defensive offensive line ran a little game in the lake and thomasson whose left guard chases the d. tackle and chubb comes free garoppolo throws off his back foot rosa ball essentially right into the hands of the quarterback and goodwin is not able to fight for he actually tries to tries to of mega play on the past but the passes so far inside that he can't you know he can't do anything about it and again. That's why i feel i yeah i don't know y. Brita is running his route. So why should i feel like he had to get you out but i mean we're talking about garoppolo. We're talking about the decision making in on the conference call today. Eh shannon said he got a chance to watch it and he said that <hes> that's just one that drama has to eat in by eat. I mean just take a sack. He also said something interesting especially considering <hes> just considering the fact that there was pressure right away shanahan said et garoppolo throw the <unk> through the past too early which was something i definitely wouldn't considered but maybe that goes back to the to the pocket movement it but what what are you seeing this play in garoppolo. Does it remind you of the interceptions he throws to get in minnesota got to start last year picks and it's the same idea whereas he's getting pressure was facing you want any throwing the right route. I believe yes what pressure you can throw brita because he's one on one supplier. That's down oversupply <unk> so you could throw it down the field but with the pressure off so that he's throwing a little <unk> if you want to call it but he just throws and so forth and it's exactly what happened in minnesota last year where okay is getting pressured you get a free rush off the edge of the minnesota game as he he has a on the outside and he throws a wrench to the corner who was honestly about to come off. The route in mas- receiver was in minnesota. Eh eh corners of ethnic authorized insent grappled throws it so far inside that goes right to the <unk> touchdown this kind of the same thing where we're also pressured and obviously there's no quarterback who is amazing with pressuring stays right ball already should be going coming outside shoulder instead. It's inside shoulder and it's bad and it's early you know if that's the case you know love with shannon said then right yeah absolutely and that's that's a good point just as far as going to the right person so you have a free rusher are not free but he's unblock. We'll just call and you have a hot route right. You knowing that goodwin is would you agree that good on friday hot player in this row <unk> up yeah. I guess you know the elbow slaps eight. Jordan mathews takes nine years to get open but it's matthews problem so yeah. I think it goes the receiver. You could probably argue that. There's there's here's the thing is pressure. That's funny is an ought rose in this case. It's not a pressure from roma linebacker. I mean it's a four men rush so you wouldn't necessarily like alka <unk>. Adjoining matters on a slant is is awesome ability but you would wrigley go to him unless you got a fifth rusher from somewhere some guy lined up inside of a matthew someone would give utah <hes> because as being just like a four-man rush. I don't know where you know he. He still going through progressions. He's not expecting respecting the twist game by the end by the tatler show to work in being faced by the time he is less of a draw the craziest part about all of this is they're leaving the tidy in to block so obviously von miller on the other side so that probably tells you if you look at the center there probably sliding the protection his way because our the center doesn't even look to the left. You addicted you. Just i have one on one on the left side and yes daily doesn't like he just doesn't walk in so miscommunication all around and that results in interception <hes> i bet there were plenty of but showings on this issue such don't send you pressuring china automated plate and i'd have done this before my quarterbacks. Where i you know you know retirement practice. All you know we wanted to play makers because want to playmakers and going to do something like this and we're like what are you just throw it out about select understand that he's trying to play but that ball should be either. An insane sideline is a good one and insane sidelined catch goodwin because he puts the ball the outside shoulder oracle's on bounce and you point it's yet i was going to say that that ball has to be <hes> five yards outside the numbers. It's like borderline on the sideline or you'd have to eat it or exactly just still living lived well. There's nothing wrong with that. Okay on next next. Route is is again another another different formation other interesting formation so forty niners are in twelve personnel so they have a two tight ends at cadence smith <unk> as wise ross dwelling lined up to the left. They have good one in pettus lined up to the right and i believe it is who is yes yes so they're an empty set. Never running back out way way left so this one is this past was again tipped at the line of scrimmage. It is a switch concepts. A levels route dante pedestal runs a five yard and in goodwin is in the slot he runs a about a twelve in in good has all kinds of space. He actually doesn't get touched off the line of scrimmage by von miller so it should be <hes> pretty much a easy pitching catch and again. This is more is by jimmy another. I guess the good part about it is doesn't doesn't need much space to give throw off but ball tipped pass incomplete. What did you see here was he. I think he does a pretty good job of getting to do that. Route in the whatever you wanna call it the twelve yard enron or whatever and he's looking is looking to his left. I i and he's going through that concept to his left and he doesn't likely seeing and because the broncos are too high structure you can get a good cow high low on the we saw ambacher which would ends up happening it. They're trying to do it with as coming underneath. The linebacker and goodwin over linebacker may end up happening because the corner ends up taking s. but at the same time the route is open because the linebacker just doesn't drop enough so he can fit it in between the linebacker and safety and i think that's good quarterbacking <unk> to not force anything on on the strong side a lot of n._f._l. Broad concepts have in a an intermediate in breaking route that comes from the backside and he knows that he can get there and he does it and he moves feet and he does it and then up. I wish i could tell you more than than the bloggers apple fortunately <unk> much yet and this this seems like one of those times where it is accident like this is not on the quarterback and just said like how how is is but the the first one he is literally staring down <hes> dante pettis on this one you catch the snap and i think this is one of those this. This is one of those situations where he knows. He's going to go to good when the whole time but he's holding the defense and he probably he probably learned this inbetween series where he's holding the defense looks left glances left for like a second planning long enough what he did comes back to the right in the linemen cheated. You just made a good good plays. All i think you got <unk> roche on center which forced them into garoppolos lap in the really make and it's like it's gonna quarterbacking and it's good deal. I played his hands up and i think that pass gets completed <hes> and it if it gets completed where we're we're really talking about a different jimmy garoppolo. You know the next more is that's a good. That's a good throw a good decision. I should say i don't know if it would be a good throw it. It's a good decision. No i agree. It's a good decision. <hes> he sang as had moved there. You can tell that the process was right. Everything was right about up at about that play just except for the result and he makes at throw therein broncos territory they probably get something role in shanahan calls the shot play. You never know what happens but yeah so. Let's let's go onto the next one here a third and six so money down the for nine eleven personnel they have marquees goodwin to the bottom of the screen jordan mathews in a slot dante pettis in the he. He's actually <unk> emotion. This is one where the defensive back dropped the interception where jimmy just i. I don't know if he thought that because the corner was playing off he had zone coverage but the motion and then with you can kinda see e <unk> whenever you see somebody chasing like they were. It's pretty clear that it's man coverage and again jordan mathews <hes>. I don't know if i would ever throw him the ball on third down but he runs a little pivot route corner jumps it garoppolo if you see on the in that spider replay that you that you told me about staley actually steps on garoppolos foot any. I don't know if that's the reason he can't get enough. Did you on the ball but the decision that he just didn't see the court the corner who is coming who is seen as a mile away yet he he just can't make that that throw what what did you see yeah exactly the same thing i i can see it because while it's man coverage we say like okay well if it's matt coverage and we have a sort of <unk> smash call over the corner over top and something little little something underneath which there is covers we wanted to the corner you could throw the corner <hes> but he's so late in this one because the corner is giving the cornerback is giving him a lot of room at the beginning right because they go to stack and the guy you know. Jordan mathews is running pivot wrote. His quarterback is off at like eight yard or something like that so right at the end of his drop and that's when you wanna look at quarterback thing to do is pause the film right when they finish the drop it usually from the gun through sub drop so causing right at that that moment you know he's about the forty five and you can see there's enough room. There's about the six yards parts between the corner and matthews so no problem you wanna throw that one catch it in stride you know oh he dies surfers down no problem but it's got to be gone and that's where i think maybe the issues the boss macintosh clips but the ball's gonna be gone a little bit earlier plus a really good play bellcore doesn't bite on the outside breaking ardal route now yeah the that's the problem. The problem with this is mathews slips. He takes three seconds to get out. I was break and if he doesn't if he is able to satisfy the d probably at least meets matthews at the ball instead stead of beating him to the ball would still. I do think that yes stood a tick. Slow here on the decision. Making in from the replace is when you can kind of get an idea where he kinda get stepped on and on and i i would imagine that jimmy would not make that excuse tom blame seeing. You're stepping on his foot. I would love to hear what he thought about this so what he saw because like you mentioned when you when you before i can see you to screen shot right now. So i have the the ball or sorry. The plays paused matthews's going. I'm getting ready to return to the inside. He's already slipping. The corner is familiar. He just knows he's not going to run passes stick so he's already driving on the throw and i don't think the jimmy sees that but it's also tough to anticipate that your receiver is going to not struggle to get out of his break as that's the whether he slipped through <unk> light. It's an editorial hasn't helped the quarterback because i think he's going to the right receiver near because there's enough cushion <hes> and you can make the case that because the cornerback is the his hips are are kind of facing the the forty niners end zone so he couldn't make play on any corner route like the run the route that i think pettus edis fronts so you could say okay. We'll even though he's off. His hips are aligned <unk> facing downward and you could throw over top edits. I think on third down you're not gonna on. I ten you one quarterback to take a shot at <unk> third and six. He feels like a corners off enough and he just get quickly to the <unk> said haven't turned the corner quickly diverse down i don't i don't really blame him for china thrown out. It's just like it takes four for matthews to get into just wish. I just wish the forty niners had another receiver. Maybe that they took in the second round that could be out instead of thirty five year old jordan mathews our next play on new the drive five forty two left in the first quarter a the offense comes out in empty formation. It's twelve personnel so the broncos arco's defense. They're in their nickel defense but they still have good matchups all over the place good ones in the slot. He's going against chris harris pederson the slot as well so i actually love abyss so into formation. I mentioned you have pederson. Goodwin slide you have dwelling is in line tied in to the bottom of the screen is rookie tied-in in cadence smith and to the top of the screen is matt brita and actually told this to you a couple of days ago where you go empty. You put your best receivers inside in you. Flourish in here is <unk> in doing just that but they're not going inside. They get an isolation route to the outside with caitlyn smith and he's just running a seven yard curl. Did fangio has a nice call here. Where chris harris comes free off the edge before we get into the the play if your m._d. And you have an unblocked rusher who is on who is responsible for that block rusher one this his it's is the quarterback yet. Yes i would actually go as far to say. I don't think it has to be the quarterback. Who else would it be the sized quarterbacks this case and so you know what the with the broncos can present and is that still miller on the field to the top of the screen okay it is so what they could present is one meal and you kind of have to honor on so you can see that they're gonna slide all the way to von miller now and that frees up the backside blitz from chris harris free because a slid the whole way <hes> i think i think jimmy makes the right decision here. There's a guy in his face you know he can't go too deep aroused so he has that like you said that seven yard his route and he gets the ball for the rush gets there and and you know. Is it a draw for outside so but this is funny because this is exactly what we we said a couple of days ago where you just say okay. We're going to put that ball on the outside shoulder and yeah okay i can miss outside which he kind of does here and we live to see second down whereas if he had done the same thing that he did earlier earlier but the <unk> it's another pit or another <unk> past rookies so in a sense he's he's evolving as the game aim is going on. He's not making the same mistake twice because when you throw route like this would go on any level you miss you wanna miss outside oddness of <unk>. Are you saw what happened when you miss inside the first time and katie smith is open. Yes separation and i think that this is where we're talking about a little bit before we came on where you see garoppolo flinch just more rust than anything. Where maybe maybe a month from now. He hangs in there for just a split second longer and instead missing high in outside you mrs medium outside in that hat allows smith to make the reception. What do you think also but it is something we talked about this for one year. It is something that that kind of felt like he's carried around within this kind of looking a little nervous when there's pressure in his which came on august human being you're gonna get nervous when a guy in a different color jersey is on the app free what ryan he he kinda like turtles up a little bit at a lot of that has to do with the fact that he he has that super combat compact act throwing motion but it it does feel like it even even when i watched knowing that it does feel like he's throwing the little bit and then if that happens you tense up through bad football and i i've seen the same i saw the sender under in practice and you can tell that it looked like a guy that was rusty. It looked like more than anything. It was a player. That just hasn't been hit a longtime. I and he wasn't ready to be like he wasn't interested in being hit at all and that's going to happen when you go so long without being hit so i do understand why y some of these throws look like that. I guess the positive part is like mission. There were the process is right the where the ball needs to be as far as location as far as who the receiver is is correct. I would imagine again that this is. That's who who the hot player is. I don't have a problem with him going throwing the ball they're on because goodwin actually has a goon actually has a deeper slanted and even his guy. He's got to get reliable and i think that's the right route his view throat on time even if it's like mcmahon coverage and it's just a little hit try to be thrown on time. D._b.'s not going to get there. Which is what happens. You just you know throw a little bit to the outside and now what makes the cats because again we go back to kidding. Smith catches it if the if the too bad balls don't happen than men men that your guys are going crazy for garoppolo environment son. It's his were. You can do that with every plane. Why crazy sport <hes> yeah. I mean it's just good good to talk about okay a last one thing. That was it yeah. That was the last the last actual throw because the next play is a brita screen. Pass no gain so let's talk about so how concerned would you be that so knowing that disaccord about coming off natio- injury but he's twenty eight so is this is who he is or how how would you describe jimmy garoppolo the forty niners fans as far as sealing being or what to expect yeah. I think what scares me is what you said about him being twenty eight because if this is who he is then i don't know if ever be dod quarterback that really wants to be because take just doesn't feel that accurate and you know he puts the ball in harm's way art and sometimes you're watching. It and i don't know if you have you feel about this some of the washington. I'm like wait receiver not run the right right on display like was there a miscommunication. That's why he threw directly to the d._v._d. But it happened so much that i'm like okay maybe this on quarterback <hes> uh-huh leg lake minnesota one like the one two years ago against the texans like there's just a bunch of stuff. We're like why y did. He make that decision that i just it's hard to explain from quarterback perspective so being that he's twenty eight is on the guy that that we have and that's it obviously shanahan's offense will give them a lot of open throws m._s. So the the team will i think the team has <hes> that low floor because of how good the play callers <hes> but if if if if the accuracy just comes up a little bit any subs throwing behind receivers then then you have f._a._a. Top fifteen quarterback quarterback probably even a top ten quarter by because you have everything else you talk before. We got on here how you know he's he's probably would you. You say he's top three most aesthetically pleasing quarterbacks in the n._f._l. For me one interest e is i don't i. I don't think we love his forward in the pocket and i think he's take some saks and get pressured because of his court work in the sense that he doesn't move around <hes> enough so obviously you don't talk about quarterback at the burger said this last night. We wouldn't want quarterback to have happy seat. We don't wanna moving around in these big grand gestures but at the same time he's gotta move <unk> especially gotta move up in the pocket change the angle for the edge rushes so i've seen him take a few sacks warrior he he just kinda standing there back in seventy yards death. He's not moving. The edge rusher comes off the as he's riding in the path so i think you could do a lot a lot better with moving the pocket hitching up in the pocket and you know you watch breeze from the textbook example of that is always moving forward in the pocket you know assuming he gets that <hes> interior pocket quiz look forward and even when when the niners give that pocket garoppolo he's still kind of standing there and <unk> not a big fan of doing that because you're hurting yourself but besides that you know the feeder it kinda still good is dropbox denies and like i said the body mechanics are absolutely wild like this is exactly exactly how you're supposed to throw the ball and then it bothers me that there's so many inaccuracies when he does throw and maybe that's just like a hand eye coordination type thing he just you know it's. It's all on his head. He's not you know terms of like you can be accurate but if you're aiming for the wrong spot you're going to be activated the wrong spot and you see a lot of interceptions where throwing-throwing it behind receivers a lot of late near such destroying the pine receivers making the right read and he's getting into the open receivers is mississippi clearly so if he can fix that millions and aiming thing or if the in thinks that you know the mechanics are top notch so it should come it should come to him and there should be a lot more completions lumber yards long wins. Yeah i'm pretty fascinated by if we were to pick this up begin week four after the by three games in just to see what what he's looked like in live action a month from now and just kind of see what progress he's made because i do think that aachen movement is an issue in that does get him in trouble also think that yes placement like you mentioned is placement is just off in that has a lot to do with him being a little jittery in the pocket but he does has plenty of things. I hope and i know that shannon will do this season starts. Just get him on the move more but when we're talking about like the play calling everything everything is there. The offense is just solely rest on his shoulders because when you watch these plays there are receivers running <unk> and i know that we talked about this before as well as last year the four nine receivers they struggled to separate and i know that a lot of people oh are they were higher on trento kindred born and whatnot taylor looks at the end when he does return. He will probably have a big impact. That was has absolutely one hundred percent. No questions asked jimmy's security blanket in training camp. He looked like a different player when taylor was on the field. He knows he can rely on him. He knows where he is. At all time i think having that confidence in somebody which he doesn't have in his other in the other receivers just yet that timing chemistry that does matter and obviously the they're missing mike person they were missing western wish further missing their interior cheerier lineman on a couple of these matters swelled but that doesn't absolve him of making some poor decisions and autos macwell. It just got him a wait and see but it it's fun to talk talk about knowing that no six rows <unk> we spent nearly forty five minutes talking about a guy on five throws a is what was as fascinating player man. We'll just wait and see. That's pretty much it yeah. You know like you said that the shanahan offense will get him players open like i. They shanahan gets players. I'm sure there's this that you can find somewhere but i i would imagine shanahan's offense. This gets players open with like you know like five yards of space more than any other guy in the league has not even like you watch mcdaniels. You watch sean payton. Obviously they're a great alta coordinators but they don't get people open like that so yeah well. That'll do it guys. I think we're good here. Thanks thanks for joining us. Can you drop your twitter handle at s. e. t. h. a. and for all the quarterback act information that you're looking for. I am kyle k._p. Underscore show. I will not be talking about quarterbacks. I will be talking about pretty much everything else guys. Thanks for joining us. We are outta here. 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Better Rivals Ep. 326: How much is too much for George Kittle? It's a quarantine mailbag!

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Better Rivals Ep. 326: How much is too much for George Kittle? It's a quarantine mailbag!

"Yeah this is not not ideal. Sound for podcast. Sound like Mike Tyson. Welcome to this week's edition of the niners nation dot com better rivals. My name is Oscar apprecia- and this week it is an off season mailbag where we answer your questions and make sure that we get to the influence while everyone's sheltered home. The Rams unveiled new uniforms. And it looks like they left a dirty sock in with the Jersey and here with me this week to announce his new PELETON's sponsored Youtube Channel. David Newman a back to those rams jerseys dear God those are terrible. No I'm not letting you off the hook here so for those of you. That cannot see Newman right now. He's got the man Bun because he's so he's just divine with his hair but he's got this brandon shirt on and it fits them quite nicely and all I'm saying is the man. Looks like he could be a fitness model right now. I mean as long as we keep it basically from the Peleton on the shirt up. We don't look too much too closely. What's happening happened below there? But Hey it's a free shirt while we're on the topic of critiquing fashion. Let's talk about these for a minute. Because they are atrocious. I feel like the the designing jerseys is a skill that is often light about but never actually like done. Well it's like. Oh Yeah I can do that. Sure no big deal and it just. It's failed miserably Atlanta's jerseys or a dumpster fire. The rains redesign is terrible. The browns isn't too bad but it just feels like if there's after rounds or coming from what was a terrible redesign night ago right like. Yeah and that's those are the ones that always confused me. A little bit is like teams like the browns. And then even the the rams the jerseys that they just had the uniforms that they had when they finally went back to like the gray colors they were excellent. It was a lot honestly like the niners most recent update when they went back to a modernized version of the old school uniforms right. Yeah it was like a very similar thing to that. The only thing that they probably needed to do was changed the helmet again to like match the blue with the helmet to the blue that they went to their. But you have like a classic good-looking uniform. Why do you need to fuck with that and start putting gradients and Shit in there? It's like it's insane. I'd get if like the bucks if you're the box you don't have a great like everybody. Kinda likes the cream sickle ones now or whatever. But you don't have like a great classic uniform that everybody just like really associated with you like shirt tinker away like you know we find something that's going to fit you but when you're a team like the rams or somebody like that's been around forever and you have a great classic uniform like just fucking stick with it. It's been a week and not just because of Jersey releases but because we got a trolling of epic proportions. Did you catch this on? Read it and on on the twitter about the packers fan that completely convinced. Basically the entire city of Seattle that myles Garrett was being traded to the Seahawks I caught the highlights on on red. I did not dive too deep mostly side and shook my head. It's it's phenomenal. I mean you've got someone who basically is friends of a friend with an offensive lineman in Seattle said. That offensive line was going to get cut. Turns out it happens just hours later. He parleys that now that everyone believes him and he's built just that much credibility into trolling the Seattle seahawks. Both read it into thinking that you're gonna you're never going to believe player's GonNa get traded this that and the other every builds up a fervor a radio station in Seattle picks it up calls him and and interviews and the best part is that you get this wonderful sound clip from this radio station as a result coming up now now joining us on the on the beacon plumbing hotline our new seahawks insider. I love nudes and again. That's what they Z. Stop right there. The Dude's name. He doesn't give them is real name. He gives them a screen name. And it's everyone loves nudes. And they just go within so drops the miles gary knowledge or the myles Garrett fake thing and everyone's like Oh my God oh my God and he doesn't tell them it's fake at this point they think legit they have a scoop and a tweet about it and the whole thing happens and then at the very end of the interview you just get this Jim. Everyone loves nudes. Thank you everyone. Loves these which say so? It's been a week. It's been weak but the the other thing that happened is the schedule was released. You've got now. You're twenty twenty season schedule and the first question. I've got David. Do you think they're actually going to be able to kick off week? One in September as planned because that seems to be a pretty big caveat as to whether or not this going to happen. It seems pretty ambitious to me. I have a tough time imagining football in September. I don't know maybe maybe it's just me but yeah I it seems like I mean you have the NBA. That isn't even considering really like the most likely open for them is around Christmas time right. That is kind of like where they're thinking that they might kick things off. I don't know September scenes early. I think that we will get football in some form but I think it's going to be unlike the seventeen week schedule that they just released now for the forty niners aired a couple of interesting tidbits from the schedule. Let's first talk about the potential cove impact and one is that Arizona has allowed teams to play. I think in the next couple of weeks may fifteenth is when baseball can resume in Arizona. The niners and the cardinals do not share a home game weekend over the course of the entire season. So the thing that's been bandied about. Is that the niners could play at the Arizona stadium the weekends that the cardinals don't play and the players would probably be okay with that because one quirk of the way that the NFL pays players as they that they tax them based on the state income tax in which they play not based on where they reside so if if the niners play a game in New York they get at the planners they don't they don't get taxed right so Richard Sherman's look if there's if there's going to be no fans there might as well play an Arizona and not pay that state income tax for the home games anyway and so yeah. It's it's definitely an interesting situation but I think the players are probably going to support playing in some way shape or form. I don't know if that's the smartest decision but I think that's probably the likely outcome. Sure Yeah I think the the smartest decision. And then what actually happens are properly not going to be aligned. But we'll see now when you look at the schedule. It looks pretty straightforward. I mean we knew all of the opponents but the order of the opponents does matter schedule is indeed real. Your schedule does impact. I think how likely you are to make it to the postseason. Just because of the randomness of how the schedule works out. Usually you've got backloaded divisional games. I thought they were going to battle the division games this year. Just because of the whole Kobe thing. We're maybe you've got if you're an NFC team all your AFC Games early on. So they have less of an impact on and the super bowl of the final standings. So you think to yourself okay. Then all the divisional games are back. Loaded in case games have to get canceled but the divisional games are intermingled. Kind of almost everywhere really. But you've got this middle stretch between week seven and ten and the niners are familiar with tough stretches but week seven at New England week. Eight at Seattle Week Nine Verse. Green Bay Week Ten at New Orleans. So you've got four games. Three of them are away against four teams. That are good or have. Just been very good with the caveat of course being the Patriots with who the hell knows. What's going to happen with the good old Mr Stadium? But that's that's a pretty rough stretch there in the middle of the season that could be where the season tilted the forty niners not. GonNa took me a few tries looking at it to recognize that the Patriots. They'd be playing. Don't have Tom Brady on it. Like it's still like obviously mentally. I know that Tom Brady plays for the box now. But when I saw the schedule like there had been enough time there between the where I was like. Oh Shit Yeah the Patriots tough game then I was like Oh wait breeze not going to be there like that might is. That makes a little bit better but yeah I mean. That's that's definitely the stretch right. If things go to plan right now that is in it could be worse right depending on what version of the rams you get because that four game stretch is sandwiched with Rams Games and so if they bounce back a little bit in a little bit better this year you know that could be a really brutal run. They're right in the middle of the season that they could have a chance to really make or break their their year and their divisional like their ultimate standing for playoff picture one ultimate game encircling on the schedule when I look at them are really game against the saints. That's going to be a big one to game against Green Bay and really the game against cowboys. I think those three games are going to be very interesting for the forty niners. In twenty twenty the to Arizona Games are going to be interesting as well. It's going to be a season opener against Arizona so you know Arizona's going to bring a bag of tricks to the forty niners and of course it wouldn't be an NFL season without a week. Seventeen game between the niners and the Seattle seahawks so schedules out and we'll see what happens at least on the front end but overall do the schedule lines up to be easier the same or harder than twenty thousand nineteen. I mean I would guess easier. GotTa Love Plan The east both the East division's An AFC east that no longer. Has Tom Brady? Looks Very nice and you know the NFC east could potentially have some good teams in there but they always kind of all find a way to be largely mediocre and not all that good. So I think as far as like the out of division games that you get your unintended. You're playing some first place teams in there. And if see wise you know having to play against a Green Bay New Orleans but I think the the match ups you get elsewhere with those eastern divisions more than makes up for it put a commercial in there. Maybe all right. Let's get to the bulk of the episode this week. It's going to be a mailbag. Most of these questions are going to come from our patriots subscribers. So thank you. If you are a patron your questions are going to be featured here heavily. We've also taken a couple from twitter as well because we always get some good stuff from twitter. That's where a lot of our fans are hanging out and so this they're going to be really bulked into a couple of areas. One is going to be questions that are a bit retrospective taking a look. Back the other. Cluster of questions is going to be around the roster. We're going GONNA have a couple of questions there's just gonNa Round out some fun stuff and then we'll we'll call it a day but you've got the first question out of the bow which I think is actually really interesting. This comes from Travis. Howl what does Shanahan need to learn from Twenty Nineteen and apply to twenty twenty? I think that he needs to be more aggressive. And not in some of those big moments you know that like we saw in the Super Bowl and steph where he essentially kind of goes to being conservative and kind of playing not to lose style and I think sometimes you know last year. And it's not that you know necessarily that's a bad decision one hundred percent of the time. I think there are games in situations where taking more that kind of approach. When you're kind of clearly the better team right you can kind of take a more conservative with shorten the game like. We're just a more talented team than they are. And we should be able to to kind of win games that way and not have to rely too much on like being aggressive in key situations because ultimately not going to matter but in those games against competition that is equal or better to to the team that you've got right like we had in in the Super Bowl. I think you need to to be more aggressive in kind of take more chances and be more aggressive on fourth downs and just kind of your overall approach on offense and not keep that like we're going to lay back and try to shorten the game type style. I think it's interesting when when you think of any games where that was really a thing. It wasn't tested often because the niners just rolled up those leads and and this is I think that probably one of the more difficult lessons to learn just because he didn't come across his desk often. It wasn't a decision. He had to employ too many times this past season but I think the lesson is is probably offensive focus. But it really is that you've got to it's similar. I guess it's it's dovetails the whole idea of you've got to be aggressive but it's it's at the passing game king and I can't imagine that's not a lesson that he already knows or that he doesn't somehow feel as an offensive guy at his core right but but I do feel like he. It's not just lip service. When he says everything is set up by the run and this that and the other anti I mean yeah but the the runs. That's what it sets up the passing game and it doesn't matter how strong your defense is doesn't matter how strong your defensive line is. The niners are the chief example of how you can have one of the best defenses in the League if not maybe the best defense in the league and Atlantic can still beat you because they can march down the field and score and you still lose a super bowl. Because you've got you're going up against a really really good quarterback Richard Sherman last week said someone was talking the whole Jimmy Garoppolo. Not being you know potentially not being good thing was out in the sphere and Richard Sherman very very intelligently pointed out the defense actually let the let quote unquote the the chief score because offenses are going to score. And so ultimately you're GonNa get to a point where you're gonNA have to score more points and that's what you can control. That's what's consistent year year and I think that Shanahan in terms of bolstering the passing game in terms of getting Brandon. I look in terms of upgrading. Potentially the offensive line at the right guard spot. I do think he understands that. I do think he's trying to apply some of that lesson at twenty twenty. Yeah I think the point about like not having to do it a whole lot. is is a good one because it does make it tough right a lot of times. You need to kind of have that thrown in your face a little bit. As a coach you know to to really see it and be able to identify this as something that I need to change. But when it even if your process isn't necessarily great if you're getting good outcomes from that it's you're going to keep doing it right like you don't really see anything there that you need to change. I think for at least a lot of these coaches and so Hopefully you don't want them to be in a situation where it blows up in their face because that means things are going poorly but it is a lesson. I do think he needs to learn if he can. The forty niners are going to be much better off for it. Our next question comes from Robert. In which area do you think the niners over performed last year? And how much of a regression do you expect in twenty twenty? I think the secondary is one hundred percent the area for me. It's Defense Yeah. I mean I think the defense is a whole right like obviously going from one of the worst defenses in the NFL in two thousand eighteen to likely the best defense in the NFL last season is such a huge huge jump in so the overall defensive performance is always going to be very likely to come down in that situation right even if they're still very good the difference between the top defense in the NFL and just even the eighth or ninth or Tenth Best Defense in the NFL is still a pretty large gap right in. And so I think that you see potentially that type of fall where they kind of dropped back to the pack a little bit and I think that largely does come from the secondary performance so all of the attention went to the defensive line last year because of all the resources that they devoted to it but the secondary making the leap that they did in having really where you didn't make any sort of moves to address that position in the off season right you had a couple of throwaway moves late free agency things like that but in large part the guys that suited up for you last year where the guys the same guys that were completely terrible in two thousand eighteen and so. I think that that's the area if they do end up kind of falling back to the pack a little bit. That's the area that's GonNa be hurt. The most and I think we see that maybe some of those guys didn't take a leap that really is gonNA stick and ends up being kind of more of a one year wonder type thing so I think when we talk about regression in terms of the defense because I do think the defense is GonNa regress regression. Doesn't mean be bad? You can regress from being one of the top two defenses in the league to being a top eight defense which is still really good. I'm having a top ten defense as what I think. A lot of teams would love to have. But that difference like you said between the second best defense or even the best defense in the NFL and the eighth best defense can end up being the difference in one or two wins and one or two wins in two thousand nineteen is Home Field. Or you're playing in the wild card that is where the margins get really really small. I'm reminded of the twenty eleven team because the last time that we talked about the plexiglas the plexiglas. It's going to be difficult for me to speak today. Just had the first part of the crown thing at the dentist office. The novacaine just wore off. That's probably going to be the cold open because my wife made my wife made me record that just for you. She's doing it for you. Even even my wife is looking out for you listeners. But the twenty eleven team had that big leap both in wins and in performance on offense and specifically defense and Devi away. I remember US talking about how they jumped to twenty twelve. We're GONNA see a regression and the two thousand twelve team made it to the Super Bowl or the twenty eleven team. Didn't and so. I think a lot of people would say okay. If you're bullied by the fact that this team is creating a sustainable model for a team that can continue off of year one and then plus one and the next year actually get farther in the whole the whole dance right actually win the Super Bowl and not lose the super bowl. That may be where you look. And I don't know that the twenty twenty secondary or the two thousand twenty defense is built quite like the twenty eleven two thousand twelve defense in terms of the secondary players but we know that secondary play from year to year is variable right. So I'm not sure but I do think that it is GonNa be that's definitely whether over performed and it's definitely where they're gonNA regress. Yeah I think the other point on onto that right is just because they may be regressed. A little bit in that area doesn't mean they can't improve and other areas in still end up better on hold right so if you had that scenario where the defense does fall back a little bit. The secondary play more middle of the pack. And you're looking at a defense. That's eight to ten or something like that. They can still be a better team overall if the offense takes a step forward right if if the offense is better. Jimmy is better. I comes in tears things up a rookie and and really solidifies. That receiving group you get one or two of the young guys you know outside of the kind of core piece of Deebo I can hope is like the trio that really leads the passing game. Maybe get one or two other guys that have a good year and kind like at a fourth or fifth option to the table there and put things together from a passing game standpoint the benefit that you get from that can play any sort of aggression from the secondary the defense right so I think all of those things need to be considered in in terms of saying like. We're not just saying that the defense is going to be worse than for now we're are gonNA suck next year right. There's a lot of pieces at play there and they can be a better team or just as good of a team and still have some of these things happen and the defense can regress and the schedule can just be easier. Dip and because the schedule is a little easier they end up winning the same number of games and maybe get a similarly easy path to the Super Bowl. They did in twenty one thousand nine so lots of things on the table but I do think if two thousand nine hundred nineteen the story was. The team is going to be taken. As far as the defense I think in twenty twenty. It's really going to be. How is the offense going to build off of a solid campaign but it campaign where more may have to rely on their shoulders? Just because of the nature of defense now Andrew Asks and there's going to be the last question in their retrospective area Andros and four years. We've drafted zero interior offensive linemen in fact we've drafted more punters than interior offensive lineman really cuts at the core of David Soul. But I knew I know Andrew's putting it in there just for you trigger warning for you. David is this. Is this a coincidence? Does SHANAHAN NOT VALUE? Interior linemen highly. Does he feel like he can develop tackles the guards? What's going on here Andrew? I really do think you've answered your question. In the middle of the question Shanahan does not do interior guards as much as he values tackles and centers. Both from a team building perspective in different stops when you think of how he built his team in Atlanta he went and Got Alex. Mack when you think about what he did with the forty niners. He went out and tried to get a center that he thought could run a system as soon as he could. And he really. He's going after tackles. You believe drafting tackles highly not necessarily interior linemen. The he does understand at least from the construction of offense that you have to spend money in some places and it's pretty clear he thinks those places are tackle center quarterback and if you've got a wide receiver who is an elite wide receiver then wide receiver. But you don't necessarily need to pay top dollar for a wide receiver. You can platoon that a little bit and unfortunately maybe running back but you. That's where he values and honestly I. I don't think he's wrong. He's really not just because of the way the way centers and guards play together. Your your guard and they're gonNA get help on that interior. It's usually three against two as opposed to tackle which more than island and and so i. I do think he's right and I do think it's a smart way of approaching the the team building of an offense is understanding. You can't pay everyone. So you've got to prioritize something and I think he's prioritizing the right bits right. Yeah the can't pay everyone thing is a big point. They're like obviously in a perfect world. You would love to have great players that every single position right and it just oftentimes doesn't work that way. So you have to prioritize certain things and I think when you look at the offensive line specifically the tackles are important for obvious reasons right. Tackle is definitely the most important position on the offensive line. League-wide that is the case and pretty much. Everybody puts a premium on good players at those positions and so now especially in today's NFL. You WanNa have two good ones to be able to be good pass protectors for your quarterback so you start there and then for him from the run game specifically as where the center becomes a little bit more of a priority over the guards right. I think the center in this game that that runs a ton of wide zone Has Some difficult blocks at the center. Needs to be able to make he needs to be able to have good movement skills and be able to reach these defensive linemen and linebackers and really take some tough angles to get to a lot of these blocks so I think that's why he values that position a little bit more so than guard and then I think it guard at that point. You're just trying to get some competent players right a lot of times. 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Every Tuesday and Friday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. So now let's get to a different cluster of when you get to the roster as a whole and this question comes from Kelley on twitter. At what point does George Kittle? Become too rich for your blood. Of course we know that he's up for a big contract. He is probably the best player and is one. The niners. Do not want to let get away. But is there a dollar amount? That is too much even for George. Kill David Luckily. I think that point is much higher than what he will actually ended up getting so I think when you look at tight end contracts across the League. They are far less valued than wide receivers. Right so you look at the top wide receivers and what. They're getting just kind of like per year. The top guys are just over twenty million a year and then you kind of another group. That's right there and like the eighteen thousand nine hundred rain speak the highest paid tight end. There's only two tight ends. That are even making ten million dollars per year on which is really surprising to me. It's surprising that well one. It's surprising to see who were at the top of this list. Because he shouldn't be there but the other is that you look at the average per year. It's not very high. I was expecting more like thirteen. Fourteen fifteen in that top area for the Kelsey is of the world for the Earth's of the world and know they're I mean they're average year. Their average salary per year is like nine million eight million for zakar soccer. It's it's eight and a half million per year that palatable that's a damn steel and I think it comes from the fact that like the there aren't very many tight ends unfortunately so the average tight end isn't doing a whole lot for your team right isn't giving you a ton of value there and so there's as a position group not necessarily a highly valuable group but if you can get one of the top few guys you know if you can be one of those handful that can actually make a difference and I think with Kitto. Like you're not talking about just one of the handful you're talking about very likely the best tight end in football and a player that is adding value on a level closer to that of a receiver like a top end receiver than he is. Your typical tight end righties closer to the receivers on that spectrum and so I think from a pace standpoint he can get closer to them on that pay scale and not be too rich right so I think. Ideally they can use the depressed tight end market to kind of still get him for somewhat of a bargain right if they can get him in the like. I Dunno low mid teens and that fourteen fifteen range or something like that like I think. That's excellent but it doesn't really become a point where. I'm concerned about it until you're getting into that like eighteen. Nineteen twenty million dollar range where it's like okay. I don't know if he's quite adding the same sort of value that you're getting from the very best wide receivers in the league. But that's the type of thing that you would have to go before you even start asking. That question is George biddle. A better receiving option than say Sterling Shepard who at twenty six years old. Yes is getting a got a forty one million dollars total contract value contract from the giants and as making just north of ten million a year. That's why it's interesting to see how much you'll get paid. Because I think the niners get away with paying him on average twelve thirteen million dollars a year. That's when when you talk about value for production that you get out of that player. I think that's that's really good. That T Y Hilton puts them in that area Allen Robinson Stefan digs is getting fourteen and a half roughly million dollars a year. I think that's where you start getting into one. Where where he's going to have to continue with his rate in order to get some value out of that contract but there's nothing I trust in his ability to produce next year and the year after more so than I would some other people just because of his style of play and when he can bring and stuff like that so I think it's higher than you think in order to get value out of out of his contract. Yeah for sure a Ryan Huffman asks who are the young players on the roster you think are going to break out and alternatively or maybe you spend the question. Who Do you think the team needs to break out in order to be a super bowl contender again? So I'M GONNA go back to you know kind of touched on a minute ago but the wide receiver group I think is the one that it definitely. The team needs players to break out from that group right. You have depot you feel pretty good about and then after that. It's a lot of unknown commodities. Right I mean. Obviously we're excited about a yoke and what he can potentially bring to the table. But you still have to caveat that with the that he's a rookie in you know really and in college. He only had one strong year production. And we don't know what we're going to get from him at the NFL level as optimistic as we may be about that. And so I think the rest of the group at that point is guys that have been around for two three years or so And haven't really done a lot and so I think they're kind of viewing this wide receiver group. It feels like like they did the secondary headed in the last season. Where it's like. We're not gonNA make necessarily a ton of moves here. We'RE NOT GONNA look to revamp this group completely. We're going to hope that these young players that we've invested in can develop a little bit and put it together and so I think that's kind of the gamble that they're taking with group in and they absolutely need somebody like Dante Pettis or Jalen Hurd or whoever it is you know from that group to be able to step up and in break out as far as who I think will actually do it. I mean I would put A. Uk is at the top of my list. I think he's the one maybe it's just because we know the least about him but also I think he's the guy that has the most talent and is the best fit for what they do offensively so he would be the guy. I'm most optimistic about? But they need someone from that group. I think it was hard to not go with someone like Jevon. Ken Law here as the player. That may break out just because I think players that are going to break out need a nexus of opportunity and skill in order to break out and so. I do think that Ken law is one of the more talented players. That's young and I think he's GonNa get a lot of opportunity at a position that's GonNa that's GonNa potentially be very you know a lined up for a lot of acts if the niners end up getting a big lead and you see teams. Go back into that. Got Throw mode. I think he could be lined up to break out same thing with brain but I think if I'm thinking of a player that's going to break out. That's still relatively young that the team needs in order to return that Super Bowl. Honestly I'm GonNa go with Emmanuel Moseley and consider him being young only in as much as he's only got one year of full football under his belt. He was injured his rookie year. He's an undrafted free agent. But I do think that Sherman's obviously entrenched at one corner spot and this rotation between the Keller whether it's been annual Moseley I mean at the point which I know. I'm sure they're going to open camp with it being competition and you know you want the best out of callow and this that and the other. I would say yeah. You're probably going to hear that lip service but the player that you start in the super bowl has got to be the player. That's got a leg up. You know what I mean especially going up against the team that you're that like the chiefs like if you trust him against the chiefs and he's had some really good games. He's had some really strong defensive pass breakups over the course of the year. If the niners are going to maintain an reduce that regression on defense it's going to be because one of their corners steps up. We know what the team has in K. One Williams we know that Richard Sherman is GonNa probably hold it down on the other side and so I think it's probably going to be someone like a Manual Moseley. Yeah that's good all right. Edward correct. I'd be interested to get your thoughts on the wide receiver battle. Who Do you think loses out on what seems to be a crowded field? Do you put your money on Dante. Pettis go for him losing. Well I guess that's not how I intended it but sure that answers the question. All the same Ha- man I don't know I will say I'm not quite ready to give up on Dante yet. But it obviously doesn't look good You know I think it's a a similar situation to callow and a lot of ways where he has shown some flashes and really kind of fell off and we don't really know what we're getting from him. I mean I don't know I don't know what to make of it. I heard I heard on the on medicals posse had John Lynch on and they were talking about the information. They got from Wilma's Champ at South Carolina on and how everything that he said about Deebo Samuel was was. It proved to be true was prophetic. There's one thing that I thought was interesting because the apparently what happened. What Dante Pettis was per John Lynch did not come to the the opening season camps in shape and that already put him in the doghouse and he didn't really work himself into that kind of role that the team envisioned by middle of the year. He's basically faced the opposite entirely. Well apparently one of the things that will must have sat about Deebo. Samuel was that he was likely gonNA come to camp a little overweight and a little out of shape and apparently that earned him a bunch of six. Am runs with wes? Welker and there has to be something else there though because both players come to camp a little out of shape and yet the trajectory of both players diverged sharply by mid season right. And so I. I don't know what the Hell is going on there But I do think that I'M. I'm probably not putting my money on Sunday. Pettus at this point I I. I'd put my money on. I'd put my money on Deebo. Obviously he's I think the surest bet if Jalen hurt is healthy. I'm even put more money on him. Just because of what I think Shanahan's trying to do the slot then I wouldn't necessarily on Dante Pettis. Which means hey. Maybe Dante gets back to returning kicks. Who knows yeah I mean I I will say that after Deebo and those are the two that I feel most confident in for sure that are going to be quality players and after that I think it's honestly like a coin flip I mean there. There may be some guys that I like a little bit more than others but certainly nobody that I feel confident of saying that like yeah I think this is going to be the guy that steps up the number three option in that group right. I think they have a lot of guys who are in a very similar boat. Yeah we had a lot of fun doing the juwan Jennings Video. And that's that's got an reports up on the Patriot in case you want to take a look at that. I don't know that he makes the team. I think he unless Jalen Hurd remains injured. And CAN'T COME BACK. I do Joon Jennings probably ends up on the practice squad and I think that the Trent Taylor may even have a rough time. He may be on the outside looking depending on what happens in the slot. He Him and Richard James or both wide receivers that were were drafted in a mole. That I think Shanahan maybe trying to move away from. I think he's still looking for some of that. Lateral agility and size athleticism. But he's looking at it in a in a bigger body like John Jennings or like Jalen. Hurd yeah I mean maybe I think it's the it's a tough one because we haven't seen it yet. We haven't seen a big player. Actually go out there and do anything in the SLOT FOR THEM. And so you know they have a couple of players on the roster who fit that mold but until they actually show it with what they're doing offensively. I think it's harder so I think that. Yeah I mean. I wouldn't be surprised if you get a fully healthy and Taylor that he can come in and be your slot guy because we know that Jimmy likes that type of player and is familiar with that type of player right from what they did in New England and obviously they had a really great chemistry during that initial five games when he came over. So because of that like. I don't think that I can fully rule out somebody like Taylor but again like you don't feel confident in any of these guys and that's kind of where they're out right now if the keeps six. I think you've got three locked down. You've got a yoke you've got at this point like I almost went pederson. Got Deebo Samuel. You've got a yoke and Kendrick born. I think those are your three kind of you can guarantee they're going to be there at that point. It's three more and I think Trent Taylor is going to be one of those guys. And then I think Jalen Hurd and then it's one spot for whether it be richey James or John Jennings or Travis Benjamin or any of the other players out of here. That's the one I feel confident. And he's not doing anything. Sean poindexter you don't you. Don't think point extras got my my dude number one. He's got he's got he's a doesn't have a shot. No sorry about it similar question Jimmy Patel. Is there any saving Dante? Yes but I wouldn't put my money on frankly and last question here for this is from John Perkins. What's the upside with? Bronze skill. Think the upside is. The you found yourself a quality guard with a swing tackle mentality and someone who's got some versatility online. I don't know that he's going to be like top five garden in the League. But I don't think you need one. I think if you are above the person line which is already head and shoulders above the Debbie Line. You're you're in a pretty good spot. Yeah I mean. I think that it's always tough with players like that to talk about like upside because like the most realistic thing that happens with the majority of those players. Is that like at best. They're kind of like a solid reserve player. Maybe they have a few years where they have a decent stretches a star or something like that but You know it's always tough to say like. Oh yeah this guy is going to be like a quality tackle you know and be like legitimately good. Nfl tackle that that is someone that is a player. People are GonNa WanNa pay or something like that. Give a decent contract or something like that so like that. That's just never the most likely outcome with this type of player but yeah I think he is solid like he's played well in limited stretch like he's definitely deserved a roster spot and somebody that you can like potentially count on to play multiple spots and not be terrible. Yeah I think that you're you're hoping to end up with the equality starting interior linemen but if all Daniel Brun scale ends up. Becoming is a swing tackle. That can come in for three four five games a year. There are still some serious value in that. The niners needed that a multiple times over the course of two thousand nineteen and helped them to a super bowl so tackles and having tackles having players. That can do that is something that not a lot of teams have a lot of teams want so. I don't know that we've seen necessarily the peak of Brun skills upside or the peak of his upside but I do think that he can be equality starter in the league all right. Let's get to the fun stuff to questions in the fun stuff. Area one from Kazu Greenwood in a time traveling situation if you could select one member from the nineteen to twenty two thousand eighteen to help the twelve thirteen niners win. They're super bowl. Who would it be and why and vice versa? One member from twelve to thirteen squad to help the niners beat the chiefs. Let's start with sending someone from the nineteen twenties from this Super Bowl squad over the twelve thirteen squad. Who would who would it be? And I think it's gotta be Richard Sherman Right. Yeah so that's where I went to. And the the question here is whether or not removing him or adding him to the niners in their super bowl year also removes him from the Seattle team like or are we dealing with time cop situation where they both exist in that alternate past and they just can't physically touch each other because then they would have caused some kind of implosion that would send a ripple in the space time continuum like these are the types of questions that I immediately went into and I thought to myself. Yeah it's gotTa be Richard Sherman. But but what does that do if they potentially shake hands on the field? Did we just see a cataclysmic event that ends all of football? I don't know I'm reading this as a one game situation. So I'm not reading this as like going back. And you get Richard Sherman for the entire season and lead up to the Super Bowl. I am thinking like just you put him in the Super Bowl Game. Like what is the player who makes the difference? That helps them win. That game is but then does. Does he the playbook? Does he have experience? Who assumed that all that stuff is is fine in this? Like fake bullshit reality and get into real with it. I think like look so you go back to the the twenty twelve team and obviously the front was stacked so like while. Maybe you can get a marginal upgrade like okay. You Take Nick Bosa and you put him as the other you basically replace them replace Ahmad Brooks right and you have him and Alden Smith is your read rushers. Does that make you better? Yes but like does it make a significant impact. I think like the the secondary to me is probably the spot for that team that you could stand to make the biggest leap like same thing kind of with kiddle right like do. I think it'll last year is a better player than Vernon Davis ever was during that like yes. I think that his peak is definitely better than Vernon Davis. But Davis was really fucking good that year. So it's like how much better you actually getting by putting kit on there? I think it Sherman. Yeah and you also have to so you think to yourself well. Then maybe you've got two tight ends and you can roll with the niners. Had that in Super Bowl I mean Delaney Walker and that twelve year was just as good and it was one of the reasons why they were able to make that super bowl so I think adding a third tight end at that point doesn't lift your whole hell of a lot. I do think there might be an argument for a wide receiver. Yeah that's yeah because crabtree with thousands of one year where he was actually pretty good but it would be nice to have another wide receiver on the on the other side of him. Although you've got you've got Randy Moss. Who was the back for one year but it was shallow. Randy. Moss was Shell Randy Moss. And so I do think sending back a wide receiver and if you do send back a wide receiver then you send back Emmanuel Sanders. Do you send back Sanders or do you semak Samuel. I think you send back Deebo. I think you put depot in what they were doing on offense that year like if you can the obviously were willing to make adjustments for that season for what capper nick was doing and everything they were doing the pistol that we loved and all that. I think if you can add a player like deebo Samuel in the mix there like that is potentially very good for them. So yeah he's he's the one that I would look at all right so the other way. Who Do we take from the twenty two thousand twelve team and bring them to the one thing that sorry one quick aside the one that always confuses me and then I really dislike about football? Years is that the Super Bowl is not in the same damn years this season so it's the twelve year the season that's twenty twelve the twenty thirteen super bowl. Nobody causes a twenty. It's the twenty twelve super bowl. This isn't basketball right basketball. Has Like what legitimately half their season split between years? So you gotta you gotTa list both numbers like the NFL. No you go with the year that the season was played in like everybody knows that the Super Bowl was played. Technically the next year. But it's the two thousand twelve season. Get the thirteen here all right. I'm telling I'm talking to you. Kazu Greenwood none of this thirteen in there time. Let's talk about the twenty twelve team in the two thousand nine thousand team. Who Do we take from? Twenty twelve to twenty nine hundred. So it's gotTa be Alex Smith. Right I. I don't know so yeah offensively. I don't know that you're taking anybody from the twenty twelve offense and getting better like I think in a lot of ways like their limitations were very similar right so I don't know that there's anybody that stands out from the two thousand twelve offense that you're putting in there and going to be like noticeably better right like at best you could say like. Oh let me take twenty Joe Staley and replace twenty one thousand nine Staley. I'm GonNa get you know a little bit better player there. That's maybe the best that you could do so I think you gotta go defense again defensive. Line I don't think that you're doing a whole lot to upgrade their i. You've gotta look at Linebacker linebackers. The obvious spot. I don't know that it ends up making a huge difference in this game. Unfortunately but I'm taking Patrick Willis and I think he's the guy that I would put. That makes the biggest jump from the players that they had defensively to obsolete he was. Yeah I actually think that it's offensive line and I think you end up with a young Nike Potty or even Alex Hoti is not running this zone scheme Mike pyle. It'd be tough and act like you're right but you know what? I don't think that Alex Boone would be too out of place in something like this. I just think of the passes. I think of Chris Jones I think you know. Maybe maybe you can upgrade person a little bit. That's because I think you're right that the offense is not going to get upgraded. Mario Manningham is not gonNA make this offense back so do think that if you're looking offense it's got to be someone along the interior and that leads her two guards and you probably did move pretty well for big dude back in the day but he was still a very very massive individual. Yeah I can't see that was what made me go away from offensive line other than like basically joking about Staley is that The schemes are so different in what they wanted from those offensive. Linemen are so different like you. Potty and Boone and even in Anthony Davis were so good on that offensive line because they ran that like downhill power scheme and it was all about just like latched onto a dude and synonym backwards right and just like driving him backwards essentially and they were like an excellent at that but they. I can't see a world where they would go into a zone scheme and be able to like do anything. Well I think they would. They would actually make them. Potentially worse would do Shawn. Golden have been an upgrade given his speed along the back end and giving his ability to cover ground. Not Not not instead of Jimmy Ward but rather instead of Jakubowski tart man. Yeah that's a close one Because I think for that season right like again Sean. Golson was like you know the time where he was. A good player was pretty limited like it was a short window but he was pretty good but that was the window. That's the window you're looking through. Yeah I don't know I think I don't know that it's a big enough difference that I would like I. Just imagine like putting Willis there with Warner and like. That's the spot that you're GonNa make the most significant upgrade. I think like I just don't know like anywhere else. You might get marginal upgrades linebacker you know was the weakest part of that. Defense. By a wide margin I think and so that's the spot where the forty niners in two thousand twelve were the strongest right. Having Lewis in Bowman Willis. I think was still the better player at that point and so yeah. I think that's that's where I'm going. I've tried to put. I've tried to poke holes in your answer. Newman and you've convinced me. I've not been able to unseat that answer. I think it is the best one that is indeed the right answer all right. Let's get to the last question. The mail bag from Benjamin H. Imagine that you're stuck in quarantine for the next calendar year. You can only watch the Games in highlights of one of the following forty niners teams and no other football whatsoever. Which of the following would you choose a multiple choice by the way? You can't just pick a team. The two thousand fourteen. The two thousand seventeen the twenty ten team. Although he adds the caveat that for this you have to watch next to a rueful. Jimmy Ray the third or Virginia the second sorry or the Twentieth Sixteen team basically the grab bag of crap nine or teams at this point. What kind of question is this? Y What are you trying to do? Is Kill myself an option. It was this or one of the many running back questions I got to get. You end the pod in the moment. I figured this would be a question that wouldn't elicit an immediate end of the pot for the next calendar year like these teams are terrible. Two thousand seven was the Ken Dorsey team. Who boy whole boy. I believe the two thousand and the two thousand seventeen was also the year where the niners ended their shutout streak like. They hadn't been shut out in some ungodly amount of eleven years or whatever the case may be time since the eighties and then they were shut out against Seattle. I think in two thousand seven because that team was so trash. Yeah I mean twenty ten. You've got pants on the ground. Mike Single Terry. I mean that was the twenty. Ten team was probably the best team. They have the best record of any of those teams. Obviously we know what they were able to do once. They got competent coach in the next year with like largely the same core of that. Twenty ten teams. I mean that's the best one God but then I got to watch it with Jimmy. Raye like what kind of fucked up question? Is this see I would probably end up watching it next Jimmy Ray because I mean the dude probably just falsely also but then every now and again you could poke him and be like Yo? What were you thinking there? What made sense there. What was the call there? At least you could gain a little bit of extra insight there. Twenty ten team. I would take out all of my anger and aggression that I having to watch these games. I would just take him out on. Jimmy Ray dislike fucking yell at. I'm like what the fuck were you doing here? That is an elder abuse David Elders. It's horrible so it's fine verbal abuse. Fine okay good a lot about does it for this week's addition of the better rivals podcast tune in the next couple of weeks. I think we we may take next week off. But we got for that. We're GONNA come with the re-watch series where we're GonNa Watch some of the FUN Games. Our favorite games that were pre pod and break them down with more modern Lens. And I think we're going to start with the twenty eleven saints game which is going to be a lot of fun. It's a game. I always forget was just before the podcast started. But that's what we're going to start with the rewatch series and we'll also have a video on patriotic as well that breaks down some of the plays that we'll talk about so you'll get some of those on video as well so make sure to tune in over the next couple of weeks and thanks again for tuning in this week you can always follow me on twitter at better rivals. David working they follow you. That'll be at PF underscore David. Thanks for tuning in. There's always go niners.

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New York Giants Cleveland Browns Preseason Full Breakdown

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New York Giants Cleveland Browns Preseason Full Breakdown

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Who might be a loser as well as some other additional thoughts that we learned about this giants team heading into what is now going to be the final week of the preseason ensued before we know it folks. It is going to be the start of the nfl season. Make sure you subscribe if you wanna stay up to date on all of our episodes and leave as a five star review joy listening so guys. This was a really interesting game because we were talking about leading up to. We've basically mentioned this a number of times that we were expecting to see. Maybe some of the starters. We saw some other teams do that. You saw some starting quarterback skits and playing time and get situated and get comfortable before being pulled but this second game. Neither team played really any of their starters. The only guys were really thrown out there. Were maybe rookies. That are going to get significant playing time on both sides but overall what we were exposed to was significantly a backup base game. And it's almost as if this was the final curtain call for a lot of backup player so a lot of what we're talking about here are guys that maybe earned themselves a spot on this roster or others that might straight up just played themselves off this team and are going to be a really difficult spot. Come the next cut down so getting to first. Let's go to the offensive side of the ball. I think one thing that we need to lead into and it's something that we're going to talk about. And i think until this rosters finalized is the battle for the back end of the receiver room. There's a lot of names in there. There's a lot of recognizable names but it seems like the three that keep getting brought up dante pettis through cj board. And there's also david sills and we saw some mixed things from from that whole group. They're not a lot of. Cj board but a significant amount of snaps pettus and sills which you can read into that either way maybe get them getting a lot of repse's their last chance to prove themselves or they just want to be able to see what they are fully capable of the way. I look at this receiver position. David sills has been that slow steady drumbeat since the beginning of training camp. He's the one that kind of jumps out to you from the sense of okay. This guy has really performed all the buzz surrounding this individual. But what does he provide outside of playing receiver and that is the big question. Mark yet seven snaps on special teams because they wanted to kind of get a look at him as governor and they wanted to see how he was on kick return as well. I mean. i think he'd be fine That garner position is incredibly valuable. If you're going to be a goner. That's on punt team. You're going down there and try to pin the Receiving team between the twenty yard line. We saw matt cole. Do it against the jets in exceptional manner. The giants acquired kion cross and from the texans. And he's an expert in that field many of cj board who played really well in that role last year during twenty twenty and look at cj board david. Sylvia say okay. David sills probably adds more value as wide receiver but does that value as what a ford v wide receiver supersedes. Something that cj can do better on special teams. And i'm not one hundred percent certain. Does that leads me to believe that. Cj board may have an edge to crack this roster if he can prove to be one of those two gunners next across but the interesting thing is cam brown. Actually step in and plates gunnar la- last yesterday sunday during the game and he had like two tackles on special teams. And it's just one of those things where you're like this guy can't brown played thirteen. Total special teams snaps. He's somebody who can do so many different things for you on special teams that he can even proved to be a goner as a linebacker which is just insane to think about then. Cj boards presence even necessary and then david sales to possibly ross. I feel like there's a lot of moving parts to this. 'cause you also look at the giants starting receivers right now. Could area's tony injured. Golladay injured two giants. Look at davidson. Say this guy's capable. The stepping provide some value as receiver. Those guys rehabs are a little bit slow to come back. I think it's a really interesting conversation. I'm not one hundred percent. Certain which one would crack it. But whoever provides most special teams values going to have the best chance to make the roster between dante pettis davidson. Cj i look at the snap counts and we saw the guys who are pretty sure going to be real. If not starters than impact role players they were on the field and off the field by basically the second drive for each team. The starters on defense they basically were off the field by the browns second. Drive the guys. We think are going to be big role. Players like devante booker for the giants offense. They were off the field by the giants. Second drive so. I think the fact that cj board only got like what sixteen offensive snaps. I think does kind of bode well for him at his position inside of this wide receiving depth chart. But i think the battle is with pets stills they yes petticoat i think. Thirty six thirty eight snaps on offense seals got forty plus those special teams snaps. We know at pettus brings as a bridge as a punt returner based on what he did in college so that does have value. We haven't seen john. Ross out there all so could it be that you just can't make the squad from the trainers table ios. Have these guys already passed john. Ross end pederson sills are battling out for the six receiver spot. In which case he'll still does give a legitimate backup to kenny. Golladay as the only other guy out there who is even close to golladay size that big body that big frame that x. receiver position. We know how important that is within. Jason garrett's offense and he does at that size he's about like what six four six five two hundred and fifty impounds does great adjusting. His body in the air contested catch situations does really good job coming down with those. Footballs and that's very very valuable to daniel jones skill. Set as well something. We saw two thousand nine hundred and what jason garrett wants to do in those isolation routes on the on the boundary. Just one on one match ups. David sills does good in that. Now will he do well in that against actual number one cornerback sitting. That's a fair set or their statement to kinda ask to be honest. 'cause we see him doing this against like second and third teamers and he's doing well in that he did it first game did it in the second game but again. I think it's all going to come down to. Who provides more special teams valve right. We you know we're we're seeing all this this this effort to get all these backup receivers in and various guys are the ones that pressing and david sills just seems to be a name that keeps getting brought up because he he makes them pretty good plays here and there he he's not like he's having like ten reception one hundred yard game. But you'll have a touchdown. The first game. He had a couple of good grabs. That caught our attention. And i think the other thing. That's really catching her. Attention is the performance of these backup offensive lineman so we were really exposed to these backup lineman in the second game. The first game they played around half of the game maybe a little bit more and we were pretty utterly disappointed. We in our post game show talked about the offensive line because the backups played pretty much the entire game and what we spoke on is they played better now. They weren't perfect. Some guys did a lot better than others but they did start to show some signs of improvement. Maybe there's a little bit more cohesion. But i think the you know some of the guys that stand out the most jonathan harrison had a pretty good game. I think that maybe we have a better understanding of. Who's going to be that backup center and who's basically solidified that spot. Do we think of terrorism as the backup center. I would say More than likely. Yes i mean he somebody who wasn't great with the new york jets but he came in here and i mean look the first game the jets against the jets. It was not good. The offense of line of backup offense of liner was really horrendous. It seemed like they were much better against the browns and is that a product of it being john harrison. Is it a product that the browns second team. I'm not really one hundred percent certain but the giants. It's of line lift lot better yesterday than they did one yesterday. I thought they they definitely executed better yet. The problems we saw were still there but they didn't crop up. Nearly as often there were still guys Leading their hands get low get wide some lunging grabbing popping up losing leverage with that happens but we did see a lot better execution and we saw a lot more consistently than we did in week one. Now i'm right there unless somebody who is who makes a legitimate upgrade at the backup center spot maybe even is good enough to push gates comes along. Harrison probably does have that position locked up. I believe harrison played every single snap against the browns. He jackson barton. I believe both played all sixty three. The giants offensive snaps which that's impressive for a preseason game and i think that means the team definitely wants to get a good long look at these guys one hundred percent great. It's it does. Speak to the level of concern that i had about this offense of lying as we're looking at these five starters more like none of these guys can really get injured to be honest. John harrison could be a solid type of a backup. But a lot of these other guys. I don't wanna see out there on sunday. But these five starters. None of them are proven. Either i mean like i. I'm high on andrew thomas. don't get me wrong. I think he's going to be a good player in the nfl. But to say that he's proven it at a consistent level in the nfl would be a bit of a stretch right now at just speaks to the level of concern that we have about this offense of lying. I think we'll hernandez is somebody bombing. cautiously excited about. But i mean he's let us down before in the past wooden. He was drafted in the top thirty five and he hasn't necessarily played to that now he's switching to the right guard and we're relying on those five guys to stay healthy yet. Those five guys do not provide that sense of safety net. I think we all really want for a playoff playoff bound teams. That's just something that add definitely will be in the back of my mind as the season a winds down and i think that's something to super odd because we were we were talking about leading up to the week that we thought we'd maybe like a quarter and a half of the starters because they would want to continue to build on some of the you know the cohesiveness play together in game situations. Maybe they felt like they got enough of that during the winter squad practicing against the browns. I'm not sure what the philosophy was there for that decision to not play any of them. But i think just a final takeaway for the offensive line. I felt as though the tackles. Were playing well in this game. Which was Chad slade and then Also jackson burden not perfect but they did decently well but the big question marks come from the interior guys who again. Kenny wiggins super super inconsistent. And then i'm blanking on the other guy. Who is the ted larsen who's listed right here. Who got a significant number of sacks snaps rather both of them. I mean they might have also allowed some saks but both of them. I i feel like that's a big problem. Where the starters were really unsure oath and we don't really know what to expect if they're going to be good this season and then on top of that as you're talking about. These backups are bad. I don't wanna see them have to go in the game they might be going and claiming somebody off. Waivers come the training camp. I would not be shocked at all if they did. And chris. you want to dive in a like jason geared scheme a little. I'm expect a lot of difference from what we saw in twenty twenty. I felt like a lot of it was the same that was twelve thirteen personnel packages. Double y said using jet sweep lot of spacing search concepts slant flat inside zone that counter. I think we saw a couple of times as well and I mean it's it seemed a lot similar to what we saw in twenty twenty yet. I definitely noticed that. Especially i noticed the like the play action boots. Rollouts things like that. The split zone counter runs I thought they executed executed. Running between the tackles really well in this game which you really wanna see from the starting offensive line. But i think the fact that they did it well with the backup offensive line really signals the fact that this is going to be the foundation of their running game this year. If they're drilling everybody on these concepts that means they plan on using them and they want mixture. Anybody who could possibly be in the game is going to have these concepts in these. Plays down cold. That i think the the fact that they executed them. Well bodes well. Yeah i loved the way. Devante booker inquiry Both ran between the tackles wasted. No time behind the line of scrimmage set up their blocks well it just exploded through the whole good contact ballots. Good vision all of that. As the devante booker man. Six carries twenty seven yards and a touchdown. Second drive really nice drive and there was a point in this game where mike glennon was like nine his last ten towards the he was really in a groove. Finding dante pedophile rice and john of the scene. That was a really nice play rice and john of another all sorts of player that stick out to me ended up getting injured but about fourteen seconds left in the game. It's home. it's not anything too serious. Because and i know you know you're you're playing defense. Is that our saw. Usually too high soft zone. Shell kind of defenses. So that seem might be a little bit more open than it will be in the regular season. But i i gotta tell you resin gigantic out there and think second. Maybe we should talk about this tight end position before we move onto the defense just because the giants lost living toilolo who played like twenty six percent of the snaps last year for the giants. Maybe even a little bit more. And now you've got hurt. The jets yet rice and john get hurt against the browns. And you're looking at this time position kyle. Rudolph should be off the pop soon. Hopefully that's the word right now. Then you have an ingram. It's like we know how much jason garrett loves running twelve thirteen personnel. I'm not sure if they're really be comfortable with guys like makiya a griffin stewart who i did call stewart griffin. I think on another podcast but but yet tight. End is another relocate position. The giants may be looking to at once. More cuts happen. And i think caitlyn smith got fifteen snaps in. This game is pretty telling that that third spot is pretty locked up for him. I don't yeah. I don't think we were too concerned with with anything. Really happening with him there. But like you said like rice and john could have really fought his way into being a hybrid offensive weapons. I played that just sticks around the on the team because they wanna find a way to get him into the mix and four tight ends a lot. It's not really typical. But maybe if there were so impressed which i think we can agree that we were all pretty impressed but now that he's hurt. You can't really commit to him being available. We don't know how long he might be out for. This could be a long term injury. This could be just a short. Bang up the rest of these guys. That are really how much you can really be sold on. I mean like houseman. Played nineteen snaps. He looks decent. I just don't think any of those other guys like you said nick. I might have to go out and sign somebody if they do. Wanna commit to bringing in holding onto a fourth tight end kelvin. Benjamin i mean that guy's is is definitely got the size. He's definitely got. This is amber wait. I'll say that. I actually don't think four tight ends is too many if the giants commit to using the tight ends. We'll say a a non traditional offense of weapon if you use rice and john as that move hybrid tighthead. No you do not want him in line as a blocker like we we knew that coming in and we definitely know that now but on that. Cj board and around the giants us to open up the game a actually did not hate the blocking reisen. John did on the remainder like he is big enough where he can at least get in the way of defensive backs and they just can't get around him even if he isn't locking in picture perfect form block and i think that's also to a lesser extent the same way. You need to think about evan ingram where he's got the size he's got absurd athleticism and he is. I think he's a better blocker than a lot of people. Give him credit for as long as you put him in position to succeed. Like you definitely don't want everything ingram blocking myles garrett or chase young or montana sweat or really any other even average to good. Nfl edge player. But if you can get matched up on maybe a will linebacker or a safety or definitely. A cornerback he is going to win that going to win that battle. But by the same token any of those guys are going to struggle to keep up with him in coverage and then we also need to talk a little bit about elijah penny. He had six snaps on offense on three of them. He wound up carrying the ball. Either as a receivers runner and he picked up some pretty good yardage doing data. Maybe the giants are looking around the league looking and seeing how the the forty niners used juice check gajic or looking seeing how some of these teams that live in twelve personnel are using their tight ends as almost pseudo receivers and yet maybe they could incorporate some of that. Chris i love. I don't mean to cut you off nickel give you like. I love how you pronounce us checks names correctly and then took the opportunity to them mispronounce. It just moved on but it's a hard game to pronounce. I'll give you that. You gotta right the first time. It's kyle used check. Yes yes leisha penny. I mean we saw him last year. Be that h back on that counter. Run that you guys mentioned a couple of weeks ago that i love to talk about so much but we saw we saw used in that role that keenan smith role so i mean he can wear a lot of hats valuable to the special teams but one player calling Glaspie he only played one. Snap on the offense. I know he played a lot of special teams snapped. But i don't know why only played one snap. Maybe why maybe just because of the game was really closed in water. Used to running back sets but i would like to see maybe a little bit more him just to see if he even has a chance to overtake elisha. Penny for that fullback kind of role. I'm not one hundred percents. Certain if he does at this point coming up. We're gonna talk about some of these defensive players very different mix of guys that were thrown out there and put into some interesting spots. Some surprise poor performers. Some interesting names that you might not have even considered coming up very soon after we take a really quick commercial break support for this episode comes from adidas. We all know when you go on your daily run. You need to fill progress but every time your foot hits the ground breaking forces slow you down. But what if you're running shoe could turn these forces into forward motion. Adidas explored five million laddis variations to find one sale that redefines. What a running shoe mid sole can do their forty four. Running shoe is designed to move forward by turning vertical pressure into forward motion every single stride. Adidas four designed to move you forward. This episode is brought to you by disney plus disney plus hulu. Espn plus stream all your favorites with the disney bundle. Disney plus has loki luca on hulu watch originals like american horror story and nine perfect strangers and espn plus has every match of spain's thrilling. Lalita get the disney bundle. Today for only thirteen. Ninety nine includes hulu ad-supported plan taxes. Content from each service separately terms apply see the disney bundled dot com for details. Defensively was a bit of a mixed bag in terms of who was on the field. We saw like a tiny. Bit of xavier mckinney. We saw a tiny bit of thorny homes and maybe that was just based on who was available and depth. They just needed to line. Those guys up for a little bit. That just wanted to get them to the younger guys on this defense. But if we're talking about some top performers some guys that really shine in some spots where they kind of needed to if they wanted to fight to make it and stay on this roster. I one oceans immunised made a lot of good plays. I don't necessarily you can say that. He earned himself roster spot in this game. But i think zimmerman is starting to prove that. Hey when this guy is healthy he can be disruptive and he can be a one of the better rotational pass rushers on this roster yet the keyword there is pass rusher and he definitely impressed yet. Five pressures in the game had that one sack on the first drive. Speaking of that i drive. Which is amazing by kevin's too fancy. That's how you really call plays off of each other and just absolutely manipulated. The second team giants defense. It seemed like but up on that same drive. Oceans administers was tasked to be the Contained defender on the outside. And he just kinda got washed. On line of scrimmage ended up on the grounds. That's still a concern for me or administers ability to hold up against the ron. Which is a vital part of what patrick graham wants to do so. I think he definitely did. Good things on tape terms of rushing the passer. We saw a couple of different times in this game but he still needs to be better against the run right now. I would almost look at oceans as maybe that nickel pass rusher guide giant. Bring on. when they're in a four to five type alignment just to me. He looked a bit more comfortable as a hand in dirt defensive end. He moved well enough as a standup pass. Rusher but I thought his just leverage quickness off the ball was a little bit better with his hand in the dirt or kind of fake dirt like substance. Whatever they use in cleveland and yet you talk about the contain and just the the way. The browns moved the ball especially on that first series are say the first two series and joan. I talked about it in our quick reaction podcast last night. The giants need to work on their tackling. This is been two games in a row where there have just been way. Too many tackles too. Many arm tackles too many attempts at a lunge where the defender just kinda whiffs and given up way too many yards after contact. I liked joe. Kelley coming out of tennessee. But damn these yeah. He was coming out of tennessee. The giants had seventeen tackles in this game. And that's not anything that we saw from the obviously first team but still the giants second team is going up against the brown team so you think that would somewhat balance out. But they're way too. Many missed tackles. Yeah devante down to sam beal. Who had are horrendous game. Had three missed tackles the also had given mola had to miss tackles accredited from pro football focus. I'd like to see those on tape. Trent harris had a couple so that is not something that i feel like it's consistent with patrick. Graham hasn't still been the first team. Giants defense still managed just 'undisciplined football and you saw on a couple of those long runs by the ernest. Johnson's why guys just falling over does not executing good technique. It was kind of a hard to watch. It really wasn't and i'm glad you brought up discipline because that was the word that kind of jumped out to me especially watching the giants defense. When the browns would execute some kind of misdirection Sending a receiver in motion or having play action yet. The giants defense would bite hard on that and that that would have them just completely out of position to make a play on the ball and what could have been a three or four yard. Gain turns into a ten or twelve yard gain. Those first two drive. It seemed like the only times the browns were getting ten yards. Pop was if they screw something up. It's what it seemed like. I mean ryan anderson like somebody who usually from my tape study from alabama and even a little bit in washington was disciplined run defender and he bit so many times he was added position. Loss contain. That was actually kinda surprised about how he wasn't a lot of those types of reps number forty six out there late. Thirty six total snaps. You know you have to get your are is with. Get our eyes on a lot of these edge defenders because once the giants actually have some quality edged defenders. I would say Might be one or two that get released. And you're gonna be like okay. That i probably get scooped up by another team. Women's said that in a while about the new york giants. I don't think ryan anderson did too. Well himself sam bill definitely to do to from somebody who deep giants secondary when you have guys at various williams. Who have i would say. Add up and down kind of game better than the jets game but Still up somebody who could crack the roster even in a deep group as a rookie. Just because he's been having such a camp sam bill ryan anderson. Both those guys are guys who did not impress me in alaw. Minimum offense is another one group in there so conversely in terms of talking guys didn't press you. I want to say i found it very interesting. That quincy wilson was playing a little bit more safety. He was listed as a safety here on the snap. Count chart that. You put together in this article. Chris and he has the interception but overall i thought that quincy wilson look pretty good in that new role previously. He was drafted as a corner. He's a bigger corner pretty good athlete. And maybe if we see this transition he could find his way to in being one of the back end defensive backs on this roster because like that's a pretty good performance in a second preseason game for quincy wilson. Yeah now we do have to find out what happened with the quincy wilson's injury. He did what he did go down. He wound up being carted off the field. I've been just combing through the beat writers especially after a jo-jobs press conference today. I have yet to see anything about injuries. With respect to wilson or and john or anybody any of the giants who went down yesterday so hopefully they are okay. Hopefully they're just little dings but wilson. Was i think a guy who surprised people you know we. I think we all knew to keep our eye on. Carter coughlin yo as he moves to inside linebacker Flash those pass rushing chops again. You've got the sack. got some pressure. I thought he moved well enough in space. Although he does need to work on we'll say the finer points of coverage out there like maybe not tackling the tight end before the ball gets there by otherwise he oh. He moved well at one point he was. It was an overthrow by case keenum but at one point he was actually forced to go out to corner your when the browns were working on their empty set and he did a pretty good job running with the running back down the field in into the end zone yet. Madria harper was the other secondary piece. Who left the game with an injury. He's he didn't want to give up the touchdown and that fourth down play on the first browns drive the that was poor technique not using what jerome henderson teaches. That using that that that forward arm instead of back arm. He went with a back armament. He has no point of contact on the receiver. Just bad technique there and it was really good throwing catch as well and that's really hard to kind of compete against mccarter coffin. Chris you brought him up. Man garner coughlin other than that one series where he allowed that one catch and then he kind of allowed another catch earlier on. I think in that same series where there was like a tight end cross and he'd been a little bit slow by down on it but other than that. He was carrying to meet felton. Who's a really good athlete. Wide receiver running back hybrid type of player at a ucla a rookie down the field. He did a good job bad. He was versatile weapon. He's i think he's more secured his roster spot now. I don't know if it's a hundred percent. But i think he was somebody who i have the impression he was on the bubble. Could've everybody that. The giants added men. We see how he transition on linebacker and how. Yeah there are some words but it definitely is something that i feel a little bit more confident about and then i see what he can do on the edge. I think he's probably more closer to locking up a roster spot because of the versatility that he's going to provide grams defense. I think he's definitely pushing devante downs and i would not be upset to see carter coughlin as the giants other starting inside linebacker next to blake martinez. Either i just wanna throw it like a super broad point. Because i'm just like taking a full view of what we've talked about in today's episode and we're throwing out so many names i feel like evaluating them all and the crazy thing. A lot of these guys aren't going to make the roster. It's it's so strange and we talked about a little bit on the post game. Reaction show that we didn't get any exposure to any starters in this game and i know i let in talking about that but this three-game preseason is so different than i think what we're used to usually. It's it's more gradually working in the starters and getting them more and more prepared for the start of the season. But you know here. We are right now. We were assuming we'd see some of the starters. We don't get to see any of them. It's just. I feel like it's harder to really get a true sense of who's actually gonna make the roster and not we can really key in on who's having good performances but it's kinda hard to really get a true sense of like okay. This guy is going to fit in this role. This is going to fit in that role. I think we won't even really know after the third preseason game until there's final cuts which you could argue. That's a good effective job by the coaching staff. To not expose what team should expect during the regular season. Yeah and it's something that is. It speaks to the coaching of the giant. As well to joe because we don't know exact the exact roles because a lot of these guys are versatile enough to execute a lot of different roles in wear a lot of different types of hats in patrick graham as we saw last year he did a really good job of implementing a lot of these players in a variety of ways. Guys like julian love who was trapped as a cornerback. Moved to safety play. A little cornerback played slot in twenty nine hundred. He can do a lot of different things. We saw him early on his game. He in there for like a drive. Maybe drive and a half had five tackles and then left. You could tell. He built a lot better than the players. Who are kind of on the second team for the browns. And on the second team for the giants. I just think a lot of these defensive players. The giants have can do a lot of different things. And that's kind of what this coaching staff wanted. Out of guys. Jewish love guys at carter coughing campground who i mean. We might not even have to see him on defense because he provides so much value to special teams. That i agree and i think that is kind of a a a skill that especially on defense the giants are looking for and i think it's a really useful skill because we see offenses especially some of the more modern offenses being able to do so much out of really similar sets where they can run ten different plays out of the basically exact same a personnel grouping the exact same formation and it can be so hard for often for defenses rather to know what's coming and with a lot of these hybrid players coming out. Now it's so hard for defenses to match up so the more you can do the more you can do so thing. That's a good note to wrap up today's episode on folks. 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College Football Week 10 Betting Picks: Clemson at Notre Dame, Florida vs Georgia, BYU at Boise St

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College Football Week 10 Betting Picks: Clemson at Notre Dame, Florida vs Georgia, BYU at Boise St

"Along that thou board with those bet. You twenty bucks. I can get. You can't look for the end of the year. Only fifteen grand. How they pay debts men his manny. It's the board podcast. Originally the end right back where i can still pick winners for all kinds of people back home and why mess up a good thing airs pain insider and todd in to the board podcast powered by fan duel college football on the docket. Today and some massive matchups that'll have seismic impacts on the chase for the college football playoff. We'll get all four of them throughout the course to show i'm your host todd. Furman joined as always by my steam colleague and co host. The one the only pain inside. I can't believe this college football week. Ten already is it really week. Tallies the pac twelve week one big ten week three so we ten feels like a little bit of stretch. Tweak ten we start when we start beyond its linger on longer than we typically used to. I was gonna say pretty thought it was going somewhere else with that. Didn't you know no no. No i thought you were going to be pretty excited about regular season podcasts. Going all the way into december nineteen or whatever. It may be fun times. Talk in a little college ball. So it'll it'll be interesting to try and see. But i think a lot of us are excited only for the pac twelve to get going and see how quickly they can eliminate themselves from college. Football playoff contention like they do every season. You got a little matching tonight. With six games on a wednesday we are officially in the full throes of college football and pain. Things honestly kickoff in the national landscape is as friday. And we've typically broken down the bet. The border top ten that folks can always check out outkick to see how we view the landscape compared to the national media and byu is very much entrenched in there since what about week four week. Five very early on big fans of their offensive line. Big fans of zack wilson. So we've been adamant that. Byu's one of the better teams in the country will find out obviously friday night. It hasn't changed. They're still in the top ten. If you win this one and run the table. It'll be interesting to see if it's byu who may be sneaks in the playoff or cincinnati. Keeps this hot streak. Ron and i know you're not a fan of of the bearcats. But boy well i. I mean i'm going to be honest here. Lean memphis last week I'm glad i never actually got to the window with a ticket on memphis. Because i could rip that thing up by halftime. So thank you for talking me off that particular ledge national physical and the teams in their conference that might actually give them a chance in the matchup the teams i can give them a chance or teams that have to be able to throw the ball and cincinnati's pass defense is fantastic. The matchup isn't even good on any of the possibly good teams that they would face in conference. No they play a little bit of bully ball. I think it makes it tough for a lot of the other teams in the american athletic conference to match their physicality and while it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. It's a lot of what boise state did so well. Under chris peterson in terms of forcing teams. The mountain west to try and get in there in the trenches were boise state always had an advantage but it begs the bigger question when you look at cincinnati and byu and of course. We'll preview boise state and just a matter of minutes. Cincinnati and byu. If they were to get into the college football playoff i mean. Do they even have a snowball's chance against alabama clemson weren't ohio state or one of those things in a disjointed year that we don't have a clear cut number four that hey you know what. Let's give the little guy a seat at the table and see what they can do in a one game setting. We're theoretically anything could happen. It's certainly long shot right. The talent discrepancy is through the roof. And we've just long understood that college. Football is about acquiring town but in a year like this. I think it'd be fun to let one of them already. Have georgia with the laws. We already have florida with loss. It's got to be someone that comes. We don't know if there's really anything out west. We don't even know if they'll be able to finish all their games based upon you know the time of them starting the season and how many games you know if someone important team has to be out for covert. We're seeing with wisconsin right now. They're they're horse. Goes down and we're kind of punting games here. So well wisconsin right now to the badgers credit there on a trajectory to try and get to the rose bowl with a three zero record. So they'd love nothing more than to go to the rose bowl three and take on a two and one. Usc team to be the perfect cherry on top for what has been a topsy-turvy big ten pac twelve type schedule in the year. Two thousand twenty. Yes so you know. Under that scenario. I wouldn't mind seeing little brother sneak in there whether we're byu or cincinnati. Now i think cincinnati's probably got the more complete team but zac wilson is flying up the draft boards right now. I recently saw him projected to the patriots. In the top ten his skill set potentially could could help match against better team. And i think possibly you know the way he's playing right now. He's got a got a chance. I guess an outside chance to vie for the heisman title. You know when you mentioned zack wilson. Though and some of his skill sets. I know coming into last year. A lot of people compare them to johnny manziel which i think probably a little bit unfair because wilson seems to have more intangibles. He's definitely a better leader. I mean if you're trying to come up with an nfl comp right now for wilson who does it ultimately become tough to say. I guess any doesn't have quite the wheels but i would say cuyler. Maybe it's all about the headband. Isn't it. that's what makes you put those two guys on the same level. I actually think if you were to break down like piece by piece zacks. Probably the more accurate passer. Cuyler probably has the better armed. Kyle a little bit faster. Bootzack can still be very efficient on the grounds wilson's game right. Now is just off the charts when we broke down. This this boise. Byu game last night. And i was digging around as a jewish. This guy's damn good. He has definitely taken advantage of a pretty favorable schedule so far so hopefully he can meet some of those high expectations when he takes center stage on friday night. And when you look at this game pain. Byu a two and a half point road favorite fan duel total on this game. Fifty nine and a half and we set the table for this particular matchup. I think folks on the east coast and throughout the acc. Don't know how much of a rivalry this is really become over the last couple years. Byu in boise more or less fixtures on one another schedule i think they'll play every year up until two thousand twenty four they'll take a year off and then they have another ten year contract in place. This was a game boise state's credit that they actually fought to get put back on the schedule when the mountain west was gonna come back with just a conference only schedule. They were tannen him with the league and byu to make sure that this game could happen on. I think we're all going to be thankful for when we get to see them play. They mountain west to their credit. Also allowed san diego state. Play a non conference game against byu which will come later on in the season and when you look at the way things have played out here. Byu lost five games at boise. I don't believe they've ever wanted smurfs. Three of those by a single point in two years ago by five points where the final drive came up about five to six yard short. You look at the series boise. State has a commanding lead. And it's funny you read. Byu's player comments all week long. They see boise right. Now is their third biggest rival behind only utah the holy war and of course utah state in in state rival there as well. But it'll be the first time when these two teams will actually meet when both teams are ranked and y you will officially become the highest ranked team. Ever to go into boise when you look at the way. Byu is played a pretty favorable schedule. How a handicap. Or do you even go about trying to assess them against the boise team. Well let's be honest. They haven't been tested either. They beat up a bad utah state team and they took care of an air force team. Who were they. Were able to run and gun with a last week with the back of quarterback. It's extremely difficult. And that was part of the handicapped. I struggled with a little bit. Because you start to go down this wormhole specifically with zack wilson. Who were just talking about a few minutes ago and it's like this kid can do everything he can throw it accurately he can run it. He's been lights out thrown at deep. And you look at some of his numbers. It's like wow you know. Wilson's got an just a completion. Percentage of eighty one percent overall when the guy has no pressure. No one forty three passerini. It's like he's out there playing a video game and if you look because he's really mobile and has good awareness and i think that's kind of the one thing that i notice with zach was a little bit has got great pocket awareness. He starting this year to like throw from all these different angles and levels and his feet doesn't need to be set. You can tell his game just gone to a different level. But even when he's pressured passer ratings one. Eight with the heater. And if you look at when wilson goes to air deep so just throws that we charge of twenty yards or more. He's completed twenty two of thirty one. Deep throws three of the nine incompletions were drops. Only justin fields right now has been better. Deep passer in terms of rating and completion percentage. Zack wilson and the part about this is you do some reading and you had jeff grimes. Who's byu's offensive coordinator came out this week. Any flat out said. I haven't seen this from a quarterback. Since i was at auburn when i coached cam. Newton cam when the heisman. So this is kind of what we're seeing here with. Zach wilson huge test. This week obviously credit. Grimes as well because i watched a couple of their games. Estate stayed up late at night. And what i'm seeing with. The offense is. Grimes is pretty good using misdirection which we like using motion a lot of window-dressing. He likes to attack downfield so that combination of grimes. And zack wilson. I think they're in perfect unison. Right now offensively but to your point here. There's some question marks about the competition and they're completely worn it the best defense. Byu is played so far is last week in western kentucky and on the season the average efficiency rank of the defense is byu's played eighty fourth. So this is this is a step up in class for byu but the reasons we liked byu coming into the season offensive line right. They returned all five starters. Eight guys was starting experience right now. They've allowed zack. Wilson only pressure on eighteen percent of his dropbacks. The aligns doing a really good job moving teams around in the trenches that saved us. I think the opening game against navy were really looking at navy dot. And we're like this matchup in the trenches here. This could be ugly. Let's let's let's keep off this one. Byu are not twenty-seventh in line yards it's led to a really balanced offense that's the thing with. Byu tenth in rushing epa seventh passing epa overall schedule adjusted ninth and offensive efficiency. And i think where the question marks we had and this is the big matchup for this side of the ball is coming into the season boise. State's defense were a little thin along the defensive line you had curtis. Weaver who got drafted led the mountain west and sacks two other guys along boise's defensive line were second team. All conference defensive lineman. They're gone so three. Starters gone along the defensive line. The one guy At defensive end that brian hartson was like raving about all. Offseason was dimitri washington. He's out for the year of the knee. Injury suffered last week against air force. Arson said that that washington's the team leader so you're now out you lost three guys year over year. You lost your best guy last week and i get the numbers are probably a little bit. Skewed after an option offense gashed boise. Not not a shocker. There last week but through two games against lesser competition. Boise's ninety ninth and defensive line yards ninety. I stuff right seventy ninth in power successfully so boise's been pushed around in the trenches if you can't stop. Byu on the ground. You can't get pressure on. Act wilson like this is going to be a really really long day and if you look at some of these these offenses utah state. They don't really complete the forward. Pass one hundred and i and passing. Epa air force. Obviously right it's this run first option team so this could be a little bit of a shock to to boise system as well. The one thing i was reading. I wanna ask you this. There's two elements in this game. That aren't necessarily on field things and you're better at gauging this stuff than me but short week game. Byu already loses a day for travel. But then you had the nca. Come out and say what the election going on there is a mandated rule which calls for no not mcvitie's on election day so obviously applies to boys well but byu's losing basically two days here on a short week and then the second thing we know is this is going to be. Byu's eighth game. It's only going to be boise third at this point right. If you're byu kind of know who you are boise state. Not so much. Where do you see those kind of two things playing out. Well i think any time that. Byu has one last day of practice probably helps them because kalani sake can only screw things up on the sidelines. No all kidding aside there. I think that part the fact that they're on a level playing field in that regard. It's not that long trip. There's no doubt it takes away a little bit of your focus. I think the fact that you mentioned. Byu playing it's a game actually works as a disadvantage in this particular spot is byu is shown a little bit more and maybe they've been vanilla in certain spots and they haven't shown everything in their playbook arsenal whereas boise state. We're not even sure he was going to start under center. For the broncos going in so when you're byu and you're trying to prepare whether it's looking at tape of jack sears. And is one game as a starter or hancock. Meyer and what he did last year. as boise starter. It gets to be a little bit more challenging in that particular regard and now thankfully for byu. They haven't had a play eighth street week. So there's been. I believe they have a rest here there when you look at the schedule. So if they played eight straight weeks you'd worry about fatigue but ultimately. I think it's a little bit tougher sometimes for teams that have put everything out there on tape. It gives boys the chance to prepare. But at the same time you mentioned the key injury i think it neutralizes some of that particular factor and you talked about. Byu and how good. Grimes has been working with. Zack wilson. I was blown away pain when i looked at some of these numbers. They've scored touchdowns on sixty two percent of their first half drive. They punted six times on forty. I after i don't care who you're playing against if you're playing against air unless it seventh or eighth graders out there in provo. You're still going to account. You're a little bit of resistance and you score touchdowns on more than fifty one percent of your drives that tells you a thing or two about what they're capable of doing. When you have receivers like dax. Milne and governor romney and a running back in tyler al guy who's been outstanding now on the other side. The one concern. I do have is with you. I you defensively. I think this is one area. We weren't sure what we were going to get from them. They were tested to a certain extent by houston but ultimately found another gear in arguably the toughest game to date. Boise state has a running back conundrum. Right now we're not sure georgia line is going to be there leading back. He left the air force game in the first quarter after. Just two carries van buren fills in. But i don't get the feeling that boise has the same skill position towns that they've had in the past especially at pass catcher. There's not a guy like dante pettis walking through there. That's going to put a lot of fear. Going over the middle or over the top against is byu defense would a nice guy uplifting dante pettis on the same week he got. Cut you talking about salt. In the wound dude gets absolutely flattened on a kick return and the forty niners don't have healthy bodies but somehow he becomes the one that's ultimately expendable poor guy at a pack. His bags hopefully find work somewhere else. It's shocking because we've heard about what a great route runner dante pettis was but it just it just hasn't clicked yet so you know i think your your point is well made. There isn't a lot of data on boise right. Just with two games under their belt and then they had to defenses. They played that. Were outside the top. Seventy inefficiency you. We know hank meyer boys. Starting quarterback didn't travel last week. It's an undisclosed injuried in practice. Sunday monday this week tuesday. There is no practice with the election thing. So you know. We're not quite sure as balked. Myers you know or is it sears angry. probably gonna no more of this afternoon if bach. Meyer can't go. You like jack sears. He's he's the usc transfer four star. Kid thing your little bit higher on him than i am. But i did go back yesterday and watch the air force game series was good right. He opens up the game with this play. Action bombed to c t. thomas. Which i think really set the tone there. He was inaccurate on one. Pass all day four and deep balls but again it's it's air force secondary they see the optional day practice. So you know throwing is it. Something they're great at defending and if you look last year air force was eighty fifth and passing success rate defense outside the top fifty in explosive pass. Defense through two games this your air forces outside the top fifty and passing epa defense. I do think this is obviously a little bit tougher of a of a secondary and and defense to pass on one thing that we've seen with Byu right they've been. You know i think significantly better defensively especially towards the back half of last season and what. They're doing so far this year even though they haven't been tested but what we hated was. Byu's defense how conservative it was. They were playing like rush three drop a. They've turned away from that little bit. Byu cells an overly aggressive right. They don't send a ton of blitzes they you know Play downhill as much as they should. But they're still not on their heels as much as they were. You know at the early part of last season. They do a better job getting natural pressure. If you look at saks which isn't a number that i love to look at but so far more sacks this season in seven games in the hat all last year now again. Byu hasn't played an offense right now inside the top fifty other than houston. Who you mentioned you know houston moved the ball a little bit there. The average efficiency rank of offense is byu faced eighty fourth. But i do think in my heart of hearts that sears. His a tiny downgraded at quarterback you mentioned how lonnie last week left the game against air force banged up have to monitor his status. Their boise could be without their lead back as well. I think it was a game time. Decision listening to harrison's presser yesterday what you're going to have to watch for here is if if boise can run the ball. They're gonna have a chance boise right now. Number one line yards on offense but if they can't run then you have to let jack sears. At least throw efficiently on early downs. It's the one area where. Byu's defense is just average because they do play some zone they do play a little soft coverage if you can get serious comfortable with the early down throws byu fifty i in the country out of one hundred and one teams in early down passing. Epa allowed the key for byu get sears known passing situations right now. Byu's defense top twenty five and adjusted zachary on known passing downs boise's offensive line second in sacree on allowed passing down. So you know for me like anything can happen. Obviously sixty minutes sample. But when i dug into this game i felt like. Byu had an advantage on both lines of scrimmages. four or five offensive. Linemen from last season for boise are gone as well. We talked about the key. Defensive departures That's really what's interesting here. It's a tough game two handicap. I knew look at this. Boise state has been favoured in one hundred twenty one of their last hundred and twenty two games since two thousand one. So you know you look at this. You're like man is there some value here can get three and a half on boise or zane yourself. This line is is pretty telling knowing that this is just not a spot that boise has been an underdog in very often. I mean you can go back and of course. The historical sample size here is irrelevant. But it just to kinda create a little bit perspective you go back to one thousand nine hundred ninety. Three pain boise. State's been an underdog a grand total of forty four times. And when you look at how they've performed in that role twenty nine and fifteen against the spread. They've won twenty of those games and catching points. Outright we've talked about them at great lengths being the giant killers. And you're not gonna get a power five t most likely coming in here is highly ranked. Byu this ultimately gives them a huge opportunity to try. And make a statement and in regards to jack sears. Let's be honest sears. Could've gone forty for forty against clemson thrown for touchdowns but if he didn't have a win over florida state has resume looking back meyer. You're never going to give the benefit of these deaths hang pock. A true freshman went on the road that may have had more to do with florida state's conditioning throughout the second half and willie taggart doing willie taggart. Thanks before we curse his walk on eight up our offense of wine and before we close the book on this friday night game did want to ask you a little bit about this particular number We saw a variety of shops. Actually use boise state as a short one point home. Favourite knew that number wasn't going alas before it ultimately settled that two and a half the rearrange. I'm honestly not sure where this line goes. So one was was bad. Number were higher. Byu than just just to get everyone so it made it like three point two. So i'm pretty comfortable with where the number is. The total is interesting. Because as you alluded to i i think. Byu is going to have an advantage in the trenches. Neither of these teams is really played. Stiff competition you like jack sears. If they allow him to throw on early down so that'll be a positive. We're seeing this total take-up it makes sense but little weather potentially in the forecast. I know this is. This is friday. But when i looked this morning about forty five percent chance of rain some light winds so we'll have to monitor that. This is the one game where there's just so many question marks. I'm not one hundred percents where this line going to go. And i can typically your sniff this out where they're going to be the always dreaded in november wintry mix in the forecast. I will say this game as much as some of them that we've seen throughout the course of the season live betting could ultimately be your friend. You're going to know pretty quickly. Byu has an edge on both the offensive defensive line. i don't think it'll be as a parent as the navy game of adak every opportunity to potentially add to position. Should you not take a stance before. The game. Kicks off but from friday night into saturday where we're gonna see a lot of conference races beginning to take shape and one of the bigger games on the docket in the big ten where michigan goes on the road to take on the indiana hoosiers. You're looking at michigan. A two and a half point favorite if you do have to lay substantial price tag so more or less a soft three total in this game sits at fifty four and a half and i think a lot of folks pain when they saw this game on the schedule they figured michigan would be the team coming into the contest to and not the indiana hoosiers. And when you read some time. Tom allen's comment he said. Hey look we believe are hoosiers can be better. I wasn't thrilled with the execution and thirty seven. Twenty one win over rutgers. Let's call a spade a spade here. You have your biggest win arguably in the last thirty years in program history you not only go on the road and conference in win. Ulitimately ultimately cover. The number against the rutgers team was playing with a little bit of confidence when you look at indiana. They're three one and one against the notre. Not that did you send them a note and say listen. You exceeded expectations shits bought. Be happy you know. it's always funny. 'cause we take that stuff for granted but the regular casual fan or even some of the talking heads out there. They don't play nearly the same value. I think for you. And i when you see steam against the game and you see a team go out there and win that's more impressive to me than anything else that if you're a forty two point fever and you win the game by five touchdowns like kate. That's what you were supposed to do. You did your damn job exactly. Those are the things that are kind of always look at right if if the sharpest betters and the market is saying. Hey this is. This is ugly. This isn't a good spot and we knew it wasn't a good spot and you can exceed expectations knowing that always a positive sign for me. That's that's for sure. And it was early. They got out early. It wasn't anything where they looked overly laxed early on in the game and then we saw the offense start to improve a little bit in late. Second quarter and new transitioned into the second half which i think is going to be beneficial for this up. I would however encourage all of our listeners. Didn't happen to see the highlight. I think it circulated through social media you sent to me As well the lateral play that ultimately could have given rutgers a back door cover. the play. didn't stand but it's well worth. Its watch because you wanna talk about. Potentially a heart breaking bad beat that would fall into that particular classification you. You mentioned the indian offense but paying for this game. I actually want to start on the other side of the ball with indiana's defense matched up against michigan's offense when you look at the hoosiers. They've been extremely stingy. This season holding opponents that just two point three points in scoring opportunities. That's good for second best in the big ten. All the talk has been about indiana secondary. And how well. They're playing one molin. Gene williams in. Reese taylor been a breath of fresh air for team. That quite honestly doesn't recruit athletes at the same level. Meanwhile on the other side. I think all of us were enamored with michigan. And how good the offense looked in. Its debut against minnesota. Suddenly those expectations get tempered. When you watch talia taga vilo run up and down the field leading maryland's offense against the aforementioned minnesota defense and suddenly joe. Milton runs into a little bit of a struggle against michigan state. So when you look here is indiana's defense actually. Have the edge over michigan. Offense still very much trying to figure out. Its identity with the young starting quarterback. My expectations were tempered. After i dug into the box score a little bit and actually watched joe milton. I think we talked about that last week. Eventually he's going to face defense. That's going to make him throw. That's kind of what we saw. In the michigan state game. He was good. It was the answer. Larry parts around him. That weren't up to snuff there. But even that minnesota game he wasn't really challenged the only had to drop back and throw at ten times without rpo or without play action. He wasn't very good on those believe completed. Four out of ten. So i was kind of hesitant to anoint milton anything. I think we broke that down a little bit at the top of last week but for this one if michigan can run the ball probably winning this game. The way to beat. Michigan is forcing joe. Milton to be a passer. So this is going to be on. Indiana's dc came almac. Figure that out he's going to need as corners as you alluded to have played fantastically to this point to play on islands. So indiana can load the box. It's that simple. Because you know indiana in my mind won't be able to stop the ground game plan at straight if you look the hoosiers right now. Ninety third in the country and standard down line yards eightieth in stuff rate if you look at defensive early down rushing. epa allowed indiana's ninety fourth. It's an undersized. Hoosiers defensive. Line that i i think probably will need numbers in the box in their favor especially when you consider milton using his legs efficiently right creating that extra man in the box advantage in the run game. That's difficult so you're going to have to allocate more guys down into that box if michigan's ground game is going then. It's just tough because it allows joe mill to pass comfortably. You always going to be able to use the rpo that becomes much tougher to stop. If you're playing. You know run. Michigan will be able to use the play. Action pass more. And i think that's where milton's at his best throwing with rpo throwing play action extremely small sample. Obviously but through. Two games right now when milton throws with play action. Completion percentages eighteen percent higher. His passer rating is fifty points. Better his yards per pass attempt increase more than four yards with play action for joe milton. You're gonna have to force him to be a pocket passer in these known passing situations. That's the way you're going to stifle michigan's offense it. It sounds easy but it's it's difficult. Obviously if you're an undersized defense that can't stop the run which then makes second and third down more manageable for milton. So that's what you're gonna have to watch for again michigan's running the ball here probably gonna win this game. And that's where it's gonna come down to can. Indiana forced them to pass the ball and it's really that simple. It's going to be interesting. Because indiana really does have a trio of corners that they feel comfortable putting on an island. It may allow them. Commit to commit eight guys. You run game to try and do that. I think early hunt. You're going to get an indication of exactly how confident they are in those particular coverage abilities because the corners either like michigan great receivers right now after nego collins opted out right. It's right it's taken ronnie bell out of the mic. If you can neutralize him then go all right. We're going to allow you to beat us with our secondary options and a young quarterback who hasn't shown the touch that that you need to try and consistently move the chains unless there's a busted coverage here there and indiana's credit the rutgers game is what it is other than that busted coverage late in the game against penn state. They were pretty good down to down ten to fifteen yards here and there. But they made penn state methodically move the football and as we've seen in college football on the whole a lot of teams if you force them to get the ball into the red zone you could hold him to feel goals rather than allowing them to operate with a fulfill but on the other side of the ball. When you look at michigan pain. They couldn't prevent big plays against the spartans. They allowed fourteen of rocky lombardi's thirty to pass place to go for fifteen plus yards. They've struggled on that side by dom browns. Pretty high standard not getting pressure on the quarterback their eighth in yards per play allowed in seventh and third down defense. But i look at indiana and we expectations for michael panics. Coming into the season and what he was going to be able to do with a pretty experienced receiving corps whether it's panics ineffectiveness whether it's their inability to sustain stuff on the ground you don't wanna blame it all on changing offensive coordinator losing calendar to head coaching position at fresno state but nick sheridan and whether it's lip service or not said hey we think we've found something in the third quarter in the win against ruckers. The success rate suggests they do. Can they carry it over here and provide a balanced attack against his will defense. This needs to be the coming out. Party for indiana's offense. We had such high hopes coming into the season with penance. Back healthy and you have wop and stevie scott even paint hendershot is a very good tight end and a few other pieces that you know through. Two games haven't quite clicked yet. Maybe it has to do with the change and doesn't seem like it's a different offensive system but there's always gonna be little tweaks and quirks with new guy and you know you had the short and offseason so you're learning some new things and that's probably at but you mentioned this indiana's offense got going before. Halftime carried that through the third quarter against rutgers. But in this one indian offense has to come out from the onset and score points. I know the defenses experienced but indiana was supposed to be this team that was led by the offense. Michael panics and the receiving group right now need to create some big plays through the air between gem. Green and vincent grain. Jalen perry the three corners for michigan. That played the most snaps they've given up a combined. Two point eight yards per route. Run through two games michigan right now. Forty eighth in the country and defensive passing. Epa and i've kind of been mentioning epa a bunch. But if you're you know first time listener. Epa's basically expected points added. Let's just call it like it's a measure of where you are on the field and how many points were expected to be added by the result of that place. A really in. It's easiest for my. Gpa is a combination of success and explosiveness combined so we thought michigan secondary was a bit thin coming into the season through two games. An serious question marks for tom brown secondary last week. We saw michigan state explosive. Playwright was eleven percent. It's crazy so to me. i think it's important. That panics is accurate with the deep ball. I think we we saw a couple of misses their early against penn state. That were like that would have changed things a little bit there so i think there's going to be some opportunities. Panics is missed some some wide open shots if you're looking through two games. Panic has a thirty percent adjusted. Completion percentage and a thirty eight passer rating on throws with twenty or more yards. Not going to get done. You're gonna have to hit some of those this game. We talked off air a little bit todd the other night about like you know where stevie scott ben so far not the season. He's hope for if you're looking it's it's probably because of the hoosiers offensive line. They've been let's just put it this way not good. And that's why stevie scott is is not having some success early. Indiana hundred in line yards right. Now they're getting absolutely no push in the ground game indiana's also dead last in the country in october two rate which the percentage of carries that gain at least four yards and considered. Doing your. your job is an offensive line. If stevie scott in the ground game can't get going then it puts more pressure on panics to throw a little bit more with pressure and panics has struggled with pressure right now. He's damned good when he's kept clean but panics are now pressured on thirty. Eight percent of his dropbacks just a forty one passer rating with heat on. So you know to me this side of the ball. it's panics. has to have a good day through the air. Hit some explosives. There needs to be gist enough balance with stevie scott in the ground to where michigan's defensive line just isn't like eating and pass rushing all day and then maybe have a shot. I'm just really intrigued to see where this line goes. You know i. I can tell you that michigan closed the two and a half point. Favorite at sharp shops at minnesota and as poorly as many of these underlying metrics are for indiana. And that's the reason why we've at least seen some early money on michigan and some of these metrics are pretty ugly. But i don't make minnesota favourite over indiana on a neutral todd. Yeah i was gonna ask you a little bit more on a philosophical side here when it comes to assessing to stocks. I'll we'll call them what they are. When you have two data points we know. Indiana took money against penn state. We obviously autumn gave them out as the best bet in the opener. They got us there. Outright despite a statistical margin that. I think people didn't watch the game would go. Hey look you guys. Were pretty fortunate. Even get that cover in that spot versus michigan team went from being on top of the world with a dominant road win against minnesota college game day in attendance to losing to in state rival yet again. Quite frankly as more than three touchdown favourite if we make a case for indiana theoretically. Are you buying stock at the top of the market or can we also take the flipside approach and say. Hey look if the names on the jerseys were reversed. Indiana could theoretically be three point favorite given their body of work and some of their underlying metrics despite not all being positive as we'd like them to be. It's really tough game for me to gauge. I thought i was going to have a better handle on this one. I initially went in like saying. Hey i think. I might like indiana here. But then some of these underlying metric like they just haven't been good but it's clear there's a lot of room for improvement as well and that's kind of what's keeping me off michigan. Because i wasn't a believer in michigan like many others right who we talked about people coming out and be like joe milton's next cam noon and i don browns defense is just electric. I don't believe in. Joe milton as much as others. As a passer. I might not have to execute that here. And i don't think dom browns defense is good as other people believe it to be. There's some serious concerns in that secondary if you even just look at how john brown operated towards the back after that game like he took his corners. Off the line of scrimmage no more press. He went with two high safety. Look over the top. Because he doesn't think he has much corner so there are some matchups. Here were indiana has a chance and if we start to see them exists. Isn't the offense that we expected yet. they're still doing. Oh so that's why. It's so tough and difficult for me to gauge. I probably not going to have a single cent on this one time. Yeah i think this is one of those games. You watch early on saturday and you get a pretty good idea of where these two teams are. And if jim harbaugh seat wasn't hot enough losing the michigan state you go on the road and lose in bloomington whatever sudden. They can't loss can no. I don't think firemen season but you begin to wonder. Is he ultimately going to be the guy for this job. And what direction do you maintain. The status quo is great. Going eight and four and nine and three is fine but you know what somewhere along the way you have to bridge the gap because the big ten east is one of the toughest zip codes the consistently winning and ohio state recruits at a high level building. The eight absolute juggernaut. They're under ryan days leadership. You're not going to be able to lure any elite skill position talent and quite frankly for the folks in ann arbor and i. I can't remember who put it out. There and said michigan right now is the same way texas. They have this superiority complex but the performance on the field hasn't been there and you can't lean on history saying oh look you're michigan man this or that you have to beat your biggest rivals and for texas. If you can't beat oklahoma and in michigan you can't be even michigan state let alone. Ohio state penn state. And everybody else you know maybe not the guy for the job not gonna fire him just yet but i do think things start to get put under magnifying glass and get to make a compelling case one way or another for that program it seems like the energies already slanted that way that people don't believe he's the guy for the job. I think you lose enough of those games that you're in state rivals and some of the teams in the big ten east. It's not going to sit well or resonate especially when folks can't be in attendance these games there watching every single snap and they see you drop a game twenty one and a half point favorite in your own building so time will tell coach harbaugh from big ten country though head down to well not quite your neck of the woods. Jacksonville florida for the world's largest outdoor cocktail party We're florida georgia. Will renew their annual rivalry and this time. It's georgia a three and a half point favored in this game at fan duel. Total sits at fifty two and a half. And when we look at this particular matchup here. I think the most logical place pain. It'll be to start with good on good. Which would be florida's offense against georgia's defense georgia has won three straight in the series florida though had been on a three game winning streak before that. I think the biggest question is dan. Mullen going to bust out the darth vader costume. You know when these teams get announced and he comes running out of the tunnel field. He's a quirky dude. He incited that ryan at midfield. Because he didn't like how. Kyle trask got injured. And then he shows up to the post game presser in the darth vader costume. He's a wild dude. But we're intrigued right like this is the match. We've been waiting for since before the season. You get a top five offense when florida against top five defense in georgia din. Mullen obviously highly regard off of wizard. And then kirby smart gets this job because of how great his defenses are now you dig into some of this history and it hasn't been overly competitive between these two guys whether you look at at both head coaches or you'll kirby smart defensive coordinator like if you just look mullen versus kirby and remove everything else like whether it's mullen at mississippi state or florida going against kirby smarts defenses whether he was dc or head coach. It's been a landslide like they've faced each other twelve times and dan mullins. Offense hasn't scored more than twenty and any of those twelve recent meetings and As great as dan mullen is. And you have kyle trask. He's been running the offense efficiently stylistically florida's offense is way different than alabama's. You're kind of hearing that comparison a little bit like. Oh you know. Alabama had some real success throwing on. If you actually look florida's style is a little bit more attacking in the past game horizontally than it is vertically. Florida doesn't have those those vertical speed guys that alabama has and. What's really interesting. Is you start to dig into some of these numbers a shade over seventy percent of kyle. Trask passing yards. Have come after the catch. And the one thing that i kind of remember popping onto my feet dot a couple of weeks back was a lot of the analytics guys and i know we joked about this. Talk with saying the contrast hasn't really performed as well as you think so. I started poking around. And why they said. That is because of all the run. After the catch stuff florida's receivers tight ends. The running backs have forced a broken tackle on twenty four of the ninety six completions. Almost fifty seven percent of floors passing yards. Have come after contact. Could area's tony has been like the human pinball. I i still can't even like that percy harvard. Light baby percy harbin light. Yeah i mean that. Catch against south carolina where he's just like bouncing off defenders again. You get that on my head. But i bring this up. Because the one thing georgia's defense does is like they're fundamentally sound. They tackle well georgia's only allowed eighteen percent of re receiving yards to come after contact. They are a sure tackling. Defense receivers have only broken tackles against georgia's defense on seven percent of their catches. This is why. I think. Dan mullins offenses have really struggled against kirby. Smart historically doesn't mean that that can't change here and if you start to dig around right you have like richard lucon. Who's georgia's stud safety. He's gonna be out for this game after crowds in the dirt bike. What a brutal story. A bigger question. You don't ever like to live in a glass house and throw stones. Why is a kid that has such a bright future messing around on that kind of thing with potentially life threatening injury thankfully the worst seems to be behind him but we're not quite sure when he's going to be back on a football field tough because when you look at this matchup right him being out shoes for two reasons. He's going to obviously be the guy that gets georgia into a lot of the defensive calls that he's not going to be out there now but more importantly when you're going against florida you have this guy in kyle pits. And and he's he's tough deal with obviously so now you don't have one of your best coverage safeties and if you look khan he's right now he's allowed less than zero point six yards per coverage snap on one hundred and forty six coverage naps constantly been thrown at ten times is intercepted three of those. So like you know. It's tough when you're looking at that part of the match up the other thing here That can probably helped dan. Mullins offense a little bit. Is you gotta have a supportive ground game. That's part of florida's offense that i think it's been a little bit of a pleasant surprise. It's provided good enough balance. Not many expected before the season but right now for is offensive line sixteenth in line yards as a team. Twenty-seventh in early down rushing epa. So it's ben balanced enough for the year twenty twenty now floor. Izzo line isn't nearly as good as the one. Georgia just saw last week in kentucky kentucky actually push george around a little bit for stretches in that game average three point two line yards and a forty six percent rushing success rate against georgia. I just don't think florida can do that. But it's worth mentioning especially accents. Jordan davis georgia's nose. Tackle is going to be out for this game. There's another defensive lineman out. I saw as well potentially julian rochester. So georgia is a little bit undermanned. There now have a slew of talent. And i'm not sure forcing bill push around but a couple of key. Cogs are gonna be out along that that defensive line for georgia you also lose another member of the defensive backfield that appears as well. I mean most likely the number two aside the count alongside him would be louis sin and he doesn't appear to be all that healthy dealing with an ankle injury. So a lot of bulldogs banged up on that. Stop unit and not a team that you wanna be without veteran leadership for the reasons you mentioned guy like kyle pets and tony the fact that. They've gotten production from pierce. You don't have to worry about trash running the football obviously by any stretch. But his ability spread it out hit receivers in stride. I always think that's funny because you talk about broken tackle sometimes and that definitely plays a role more in the college game but we see seemingly every sunday and a lot of times on saturday. Quarterbacks almost get discredited by hitting the receivers in stride allowing them to pick up those run after the catch compared to throwing the ball at your feet receiver has to go down and ultimately cuts off some of the big play potential. You look at florida this season. And there's no doubt their offense has been explosive. They've gone three and out less than fourteen percent of the time and that number actually dips below ten percent when you talk about first half productivity however pain football is just florida's offense against georgia's defense in this matchup. It's also going to be the two teams weaker units doing battle. And that of course would be the florida defense against the georgia offense that quite frankly has looked like it's been stuck in neutral. we look at stetson beninese. He's yet to throw for three hundred yards a game. He has taken some shots early downs. Even if they're not there you'd like to go through the progressions and pick up five to six yards now. thankfully he's not falling victim of the carson wentz syndrome where those balls are getting picked off but take with defense gives you the problem. I see pain and when you look at stats invented. So far since halftime of the alabama. Game nick sabin made adjustments. He's just fifteen to thirty three for two hundred thirty five yards. Hasn't thrown a touchdown pass four interceptions and efficiency rating shade north of eighty-one which is downright brutal. For those folks that don't follow it. And for the season bennett's overall efficiency rating is one hundred thirty four ranks in the lower half of the fps before his defense hasn't exactly been a brick wall. If you're georgia. Is it as simple as saying. Hey look if we establish the ground game. We're going to have success. Or how do you go about building up. Bennett's confidence to make this georgia offense a little bit of a dual threat for florida defensively. No it's not that. I always white commits one more little. Not that i don't like it. I think the bigger question. Honestly the bigger question i have here isn't a reflection of bennett. It's what's going on with georgia's quarterback room because it was only supposed to be a placeholder. They had high expectations for. gt daniels. People came after me. I said you guys clearly haven't watched him at usc. I mean this guy is going to be the savior. It's starting quarterback and the fact that daniels didn't get any time last week against kentucky tells me this job not only for this game against florida but for the remainder of the season barring injury. Yes that seems to be the case. Now you mentioned alabama's defense with nick sabin making adjustments at the half no surprise there then. Kentucky's defense is really good. The only reason kentucky isn't living up to expectation right. Now is the quarterback position. The offensive line's been fantastic. The defense has been really good. You just hope. The defense doesn't wear out because i saw the kentucky's basically been on defensive. An average of seventy one snaps per game so eventually they may wear out on that side of the ball. But when you're looking at georgia when you're looking at the gators defense rather like todd grantham is gonna have to figure out how to stop georgia's run game. That's that's simple right. We've grown accustomed to these like great offensive lines from georgia last few seasons tapping again. We're talking about a team that doesn't really threaten you via the pass. Teams are loading the box. Shit georgia's offense lines still sixth in line yards. So they're pushing people around in the trenches. The like is that you did see florida's defense probably had their best performance of the season. Last week wasn't even wasn't even close. And i didn't watch the game as i was texting. You trying to find it. I'm still convinced that game wasn't actually televised anywhere. Which in this. Day and age alternate sec. Network which. I have every damn channel known to man on direct. Tv where the hell was it. I have to stream it on some third party. Web portal through. Read it so. It wasn't on the sec network and then the alternate six eleven dash one. I couldn't find it on. Their either was blacked out. So i had to exactly what you you. You said that you had to do there. I had to find like some sketchy link just to see what was going on but the one thing the gators did they were fantastic. Defensively easily the best performance. They've had the season held missouri to twenty eight percent. Success rate three and a half yards per play floors defense in the trenches and really played on the other side of the line of scrimmage missouri literally had negative one point seven line yards and forty percent of missouri's runs were stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage. So it's a good sign floors defenses at least trending well into a game like this now. Huge asterik with that performance because missouri didn't have their left tackle left or they're starting right tackle so i think there is a little bit asterik there. But in on the season you're looking still florida's defense ninety four in the country and rushing epa. So they're gonna have to figure out how to stop the run and even if missouri's offensive line was healthy. It's not to the caliber of george's and so the key is obviously here. Is georgia probably doesn't want to get in a shootout with stats bennett. But i think there's probably going to be some nice opportunities for bennett to make some plays here. Judge receivers are probably going to be open. Todd monk in is a good play designer and when you look at florida's secondary there's some question marks there too florida's th in passing. Epa out so florida hasn't really been able to stop the run pass. And if you'll look the opponent average distance to go on third down six point two yards the national average seven point one so florida isn't getting offenses to play behind the chains and be uncomfortable. Want stats and bennett like attempting to be you in these known passing situations. If you do you tip your cap and you move on. But you know if you're todd mahnken you're probably going to see some of these edges in the past game because you kinda hinted at this right. Like bennett wasn't just missing throws at. Who's making his missing guys that were open so you don't want like you certainly want to be efficient and throw the ball and hope that stats and can make the right read. But the one thing you don't wanna do is get sucked into calling. Pass all the time we saw in the alabama game the georgia kind of lost their way. They got away from the run for some reason even though they were extremely efficient running specially on the inside zone stuff. Georgia can't do that here. They have to stay committed unless florida's just absolutely completely shutting down the run game. Which again is going to be tough to fathom. I know you don't like sets. And ben as much and i think you're really right about that but it just feels like to me that there's probably some meat on the bone left for georgia's offense. I think we'll probably be able to see how confident stetson looks early here. There's a reason you know this line. Open georgia minus four and a half and five or now down to three. There's been some early sharp money on florida. I think some of that sharp money though quite frankly is because of the injuries and i can't imagine every oddsmaker noodle account was going to be out and when we talk about certain players must necessarily that trevor lawrence's in the justin fields the world. I mean that's a massive loss especially in this particular matchup knowing the kyle pits is who you have to scheme for and try neutralize. And it's not that's embedded. It's not that i'm overly critical. I just think he's got to take with the defense gives him and ultimately the game slows. Down for these quarterbacks hell. I didn't play the sport and played at a p we level so i'm not going to say what it's like but you'd like to see a guy go through the progressions and you know what if that fifteen twenty are shot. Isn't there take three to four yards ahead of the down and distance. Georgia can pick those up on short yardage situations one thing. I will say an injury to keep tabs on the offense for georgia. George pickens didn't travel the kentucky. There's a lot of optimism that he might be out there. He of course is one of their more reliable. If not the most reliable options in the passing game and defensively for florida. I mean they had reviews about a player named kyrie campbell who they said gave their defensive line. The opportunity to play with more size and disrupt missouri's rushing attack. But you are going down to starting defensive lineman and zack carter and backup linebacker. Antwan powell for the first half because of the missouri fiasco and then the other position to keep tabs on. let's see who florida gets back in their secondary. They were down three starting defensive. Backs in wilson davison steiner. Because of fallout from the covid situation. They were also down backups. A lot of talk that those guys will be back but as we know in this day and age pain what happens on tuesday and wednesday may not necessarily be the case at three twenty five eastern time. Five minutes before this game is ready to go exactly and so to your point. Some of the matchups don't necessarily look fantastic for florida but you're getting potentially boost on both sides of the ball georgia's losing some guys defensively. I do think. George pickens ends up going and florida's getting back some guys. You mentioned kyra campbell. That was someone that we talked about early on the season. Right he's on the roster still supposed to be like they're stuck interior linemen but he's not really he's buried on the depth chart so there's gotta be some behavioral disciplined things going on there but they get him back and he was absolute force against missouri. We just have to keep the gatorade bottle away from george pickens when he's on the sidelines in this particular match the three games in the books you of course can follow paint on twitter at paine insider on todd firm and you can follow me there and most importantly follow the podcast. Bet the board pod but for all those three games and the impact they could have on the chase for the college football playoff this game saturday night in south bend may go a long long way in terms of defining who we see is the top teams in america. And that of course is the clemson tigers. Taking their undefeated seven zero record on the road to south bend as five and a half point favorites at faneuil total knees scheme fifty one and a half as notre dame welcomes in the tigers. Who while being seven. Oh just two. And five against the spread. They've been absolutely dominant nine. And three against the spread the last twelve on the road. Twenty four straight and straight up last twenty four conference game seventeen and seven against the spread but notre dame no slouch in their own right. They'll put it. I twenty plus game home winning streak on the line and two weeks ago paying. Some books made the tigers a fifteen and a half point favorite in this matchup. Despite summer numbers holding steady in that six to seven range. I guess the first question. I have to ask how big a drop off is not having trevor lawrence in a game of this magnitude under the lights when you're going into hostile territory. I'll be completely honest with you. And i'll be completely honest with their listeners. Some of which no the stuff. I bet but i sent you a note last week and then i said We're going to grab the points here before this leaks out and then like two hours later got reported the trevor lawrence is gonna be out with code and i gotta tell you we saw the initial move down from thirty one and a half thirty two to thirty. I texted you thirty. And it wasn't widely available and we were stunned that by kickoff that they only felt oddsmakers that this was a three point downgrade and it wasn't through like and it wasn't going from like four to seven this was from like twenty four to twenty seven so i m stunned at what the market felt like the drop off was last week. This feels a little bit more in line with what we have the drop off especially when you consider this being the kids. I rode start. So i'm intrigued to see where this line goes. My understanding is that at least early on clemson was going to be the sharp side especially at four and we saw that would as soon as got the that did not last cry. So i think there's potentially going to be a little battle here like i think there's going to be some sharp guys on clemson. I think this gets to seven again. You're gonna see sharp guys on notre dame so there's gonna be a little bit battle here. The my understanding though. Todd is that the one agreement here is probably going to be the under early on. It looks that way. And i think there are a lot of factors that could potentially support it. I maybe that's a good place to start. When we look at clemson's offense with dj taking the reins against the notre dame defense that has been nothing short of outstanding. When we look clemson this season the offense has been explosive. It took him a half to get adjusted to the new quarterback. They clearly weren't as dynamic as we've grown accustomed to against bbc spotting them that big lead you look at dj stat line. Three hundred forty two yards two touchdowns completed seventy three of his passes. Hey look that. That's great on the surface and we know this kid from an empire in california is supposed to be the next great quarterback in what apparently is going to be a long lineage. At clemson as long as davos. Sweeney is the head coach there But some you know. I read some of the film analysis pain. They talked about how he was reluctant to throw to the left side. That won't be lost on the irish. And when you talk about notre dame's defense. This is a stop unit. That's allowed just two first touchdowns six touchdowns all season long. It represents less than nine percent of the offensive drives that they've had to deal with. They've been great against the run. They haven't played the most difficult schedule of opposing offenses. Let's call it for what it is but when you look at the irish. They've been good when they needed to forcing three and outs on. Nearly one third of the drives and they've kept their opponents offense on the sidelines opposing offenses of only run an average of about sixty plays per game against them with typically see notre dame and these spots not have the athletes match up against skill position talents alabama's and the clemson's but without any inside intel line any of the grounds keeping crew that we saw in the movie rudy. I'd have to think we can expect a pretty slow track in south bend. Comes saturday night to try and slow down. Clemson offense even with a young quarterback under center. I've never gotten your official stance on that. Was he offsides or not. Oh he was one hundred percent off site he he definitely lined up in the neutral zone. But i'm not gonna take anything away from the kid account is a sack of the statute. My understanding is he's still living that college legend dream hanging around in the local bars there. i mean what's the movie can't hardly wait where the dude goes back or it's matthew mcconaughey as character in. I can't believe. I'm forgetting the name of dazed and confused. I keep getting older. They say the same age that type of mentality for property rigor at this point. That seems to be right as i occasionally scroll the old tiktok. You're like geez man my getting old as i See these women out here. Dancing probably weren't born about fifteen years too early. Yeah most of young enough to be your daughter. would you fight. A daughter had ringer neck. She was doing that stuff on there anyways. Fortunately i don't have to worry about. I was thinking about this the other day. What what what are you going with. If you have a daughter she like in a cage until she's eighteen or whatever would absolutely not absolutely not you know how close i am with my sister and my sister and your sister are wired about the same way. I actually felt bad for all the years for all the guys that my sister actually dated. What hey look. If you want to deal with my sister knock yourself out. Because she is going to be a ball buster and a half in when she went to school at arizona mean she was as close with some of the athletes. That were there. And i think some of them. Despite the level of success they achieved playing football or basketball. Were legitimately afraid of my sister especially when she had a few adult beverages in the system. Love it absolutely love it. What are we even talking about here. Clemson clinton notre dame is notre. Dame's defense yup kind of begin. So i think the questions you have offensively for clemson right now and when you have a quarterback like this megan's i wrote starts. Can you get some help from the align in the ground game you know. Can you generate enough. Push up front so travis. Ntn can at least be efficient here and you can remove some pressure from from dj shoulders. Any in is obviously you probably one of the best running backs in the country. If not the best. Nobody knows why the hell returned to school. Especially when you have to replace four or five starting offensive lineman but davos done a good job. Re-rooting guys put it that way. And when you look well you get you get paid more clemson if you come back to school than you do on a rookie contract in the nfl right. That's our so clemson right. Now is thirty six in the country and in line yards and so they're not really getting that that push up front you would hope That's for sure. And even when you look at ntn right thirty first For clemson in early down rushing. Epa thirty third rushing ups and downs. Because that align just hasn't been great even with running behind it. I am not going to attempt to pronounce his last name but obviously dj making his first road. Start and what's going to be a pretty hostile environment. So he's going to need some help from the ground game and you look at notre dame's defense right now third in the country in line yards allowed on standard downs thirteenth in defense of rushing. Epa eleventh in early down rushing epl at. So you know maybe when we flip the game on you're gonna see a talent discrepancy takeover. Todd but if you're just kind of looking at some of these metrics you're not quite sure what clemson's going to be able to do on the ground but the numbers just like don't insinuate that comes is going to be able to run it here consistently and i think you know when you're looking at this game. This is obviously toughest challenge today. Clemson if you look at the defenses. They faced right now. Average efficiency rank of fifty six and. Yeah that's me. Kindly removing citadel from that situation. Notre dame's defense eighth and defensive efficiency. And what's interesting here. is you know. Maybe an element of clemson's ground game that they didn't actually wanna put on film but they were forced to because they're back against the ropes here against boston. College was the use of deejays legs as this extension to clemson's ground game so now at at least allows notre dame to prepare for that and get ready for bottom line right like you're looking at this game. Ten of eleven defenders for notre dame all have three or more years starting experience. That's big here. They're not going to get pushed around. I don't think at least size-wise on the defensive side of the ball. It looks like an elite notre dame defense the one area and any time we talked notre dame. We've mentioned this and it continues to be a problem is notre dame's defense has been susceptible against the deep pass. The explosive passes have hurt notre dame so deejays going to have to beat notre dame. I think over the top a little bit if you can take shot early and you connect. Maybe that'll softens some things up for the ground game right now. In passes of twenty or more yards downfield. Notre dame is giving up a shade less than one point per pass on those throws. So it's been pretty ugly. Dj right now. I guess you know he hasn't been really asked to make many of these deep throws only nine percent of his throws have been deep. Some of that obviously like garbage time influenced. You're not bringing him in like a fifty point. Blowout and baling hay. Throw throw the ball fifty yards down the field. So i expect that percentage of deep throws to probably increase but so far on the times that he has thrown deep just thirty three percent adjusted completion percentage and you mentioned some of those areas where he's had some trouble that deep intermediate throw their to the left hand side. We saw them you kind of get accustomed to that being completed with trevor lawrence. He sailed a couple of those so to me. Clemson's to need to be able to run the ball. Not sure they can. Dj is going to need to be able to hit a few deep shots. That's where notre dame's most vulnerable. We'll see if he can but the biggest thing is. I think we'll know pretty early on. If notre dame's out talented my gut says that's not going to be the case though. Yeah and you mentioned the fact that you have so many returning veterans on this notre dame side. Why is that important because all these guys clearly remember what happened in the college football playoff in the cotton bowl back in two thousand eighteen. A game where we did see that town disparity clemson had the athletes. That went absolutely bonkers but without justin. Ross who unfortunately injured in. We haven't seen in place nap. And won't this season for clemson. You don't have t- higgins. Amar rogers is a nice piece. But i don't get the feeling this clemson. Receiving core is anything close to what we've seen in the past with. Nfl caliber talent there. At least on the outside especially with some of the injuries they're dealing with so we'll know pretty quickly called that side of the ball may play out. Obviously there's another side of the coin. And that of course is the notre dame irish is offense against clemson's defense and the irish have been outstanding running the football two hundred and thirty plus yards in four out of five games the only time they didn't establish the run. I have to believe was by design against the best defensive line. They faced in pittsburgh but he in book coincidentally enough had his best passing game of the season. And when you look at some of the numbers i mean. They've been pedestrian best. Twelve hundred plus yards seven touchdowns one interception. I love to operate under the narrative. Pain that hey. Brian kelly tommy. Recently they've been vanilla haven't had to show a whole heck of a lot now people who want to try and go well look. They only beat louisville twelve to seven. There were some weather conditions there. The probably prohibited notre dame from stretching the field. Is this coming out. Party for notre dame from an offensive standpoint against the clemson defense who. Hey brent vegetables doesn't outstanding job but he's dealing with a laundry list of injuries not only two starters but some of their depth guys as well so two things. Because i wrote this down and then forgot about it. But you mentioned some of the receiver injuries for clemson true indeed. And then you had frank lads in junior on tuesday suffer hip pointer in practice so they could be down. Potentially a couple of guys in that receiver room for clemson which would be huge. Then you mentioned the weather. In the louisville game yes twenty five mile per hour steady crossfield winds with gusts even higher. Plus you had pittsburgh on deck. Listen i you know. In general we talk about this weather no matter the side of the ball. The fear of backing notre dame is reasonable right. They aren't just like spots that we've seen were. They have really done well. Stepping up in class going against these elite teams. The number is four. And forty straight up for notre dame against the top ten in the last forty four tries in the irish only covered. Twenty five percent of those games so you again explained some of that that early money that we have seen on that side but again. I think we'll know pretty quickly if there's talent disparity here but again i go back to this i you know there are some metrics here that i think it least lend themselves to notre dame having some success clemson's defense when you coming into the season had to be rebuilt a little bit lost a lot of talent now. The injury bug is kind of bitten. Clemson's defense now. Venables is like defensive so despite losing some of these guys to the draft and then injuries clemson still tenth in defensive efficiency but this is a big step up in class. If you look clemson hasn't faced the top forty offense this season the six fbs offenses clemson's faced right now. Average efficiency rank of sixty seventh notre dame sixteenth. And you're hitting this right on the head. There's a lot of speculation that's going around in terms of notre dame's offense that they've been holding some things back which we actually saw him the pittsburgh they unleashed some things there and it looked completely different so the offense was a little bit more open in the pittsburgh game and i think we actually kind of said. Hey it's going to be a little bit more open. So we'll see if if tommy reese does the same thing in this spot if you're looking at potentially airing it out down the field. He doesn't do it a lot. Even though the past game was a little bit more sophisticated in pittsburgh eighteen of books one hundred and fifty passing attempts have been twenty or more yards down the field. There's obviously going to be a fun battle upfront. Clemson's d. line. Still a an absolute force. They've recruited to that position at a ridiculous rate. Recently clemson right now. Eight in line yards fourth in stuff right so you know. Notre dame's offensive line with who. They're projecting for nfl guys along it. They're going to have to you know. At least stalemate that battle win it a little bit. That's good up you can. Notre dame's offensive line. Get enough push for kyron williams. So far done a good job. You know notre dame right now eleventh in early down rushing. Epa allowed the offense to stay ahead of the down and distance six and a half yards to go the average distance on third down. Notre dame's often so that's a positive. We'll see if that remains the case. Here because i think there probably are some question marks still about book. But if you're notre dame's offense the fear. I think you have is clemson not feeling threatened by your receiver group and that's been the question mark all season and that's the question mark. That was miami's problem against clemson right. We're not sure. Miami's got the receivers ensure enough venables comes up with this game plan where he's able to stack the middle of the field stopped. The runs by the quarterback take passes away from the tight ends over the middle because he believed his coroner's could win outside one on one and that might be the case again here. With notre dame notre dame's receivers are going to have to win outside a little bit here. I think book is obviously going to have to play big. You know connect on some deep shots. He's gonna have to be good with pressure because right now Book spend a little bit more pressured than i thought he would be. He's been pressuring thirty three percent of his dropbacks with that good offensive line which is is pretty surprising to me now. Books dealt with pressure pretty well. One twelve passer rating adjusted completion percentage of seventy three percent. But the key here is you know again. Notre dame's receivers have to win. If you're getting put in these known passing situations the offensive line. Just hasn't been as good as we thought and pass protection clemson's been able to get after the quarterback a little bit there so ios is a little bit more of a tougher match than i thought. I initially went into this on the side that man. This is a lot of points but then you break this down a little bit and your hope is that notre dame's held some things back offensively. Because what we've seen so far. Is there uber. Reliant on the ground game and if they're rolling on the ground notre dame's gonna have a chance to stay within this number if not then there's a lot of pressure on him book and we've seen him crumble sometimes in these bigger games and we're just not quite sure of what notre dame has outside at the receiver group. I don't think they have much. I mean there's no chase claypool. there's no coal committed. I mean no knock on bed scrawny. Whose name i'm butchering a transfer from northwestern when he becomes your best vertical threat. It's a little bit problematic. In my opinion yes and by the way just a heads up the san francisco forty niners game off the board little more ovitz enough yet. Apparently kendrick bourne has tested positive. Good workout a kyle. Shanahan and picked up the phone. Call barry alvarez go hey how do we get this game script okay. Good we're going to go with the kovic storyline and be able to make it work. That's thursday night football so you know what pain the only good thing about that. You know if. I'm trying to find the silver lining is it means the mountain west take center stage and you could commit all of your tv viewing resources to watching utah state of nevada and wyoming colorado state for the border war wyoming. Look pretty good there again. Still hawaii last week. Sure did put together one hell of an effort. Why look like they had no part of wanting to perform cowboy country and I was actually joking with one of my buddies. Look at some of these conferences. Not to go off on a tangent. Can you find two programs in the same league that are more different in terms of overall culture climate and everything else. that's why when hawaii plays wyoming annually. No you can't. I think hawaii tried staying up there and it just didn't seem to materialize. That's just in work. Stay in the rocky mountains. It didn't quite pay dividends but either way we go off on a tangent with the mountain west. Yeah this clemson notre dame game a great movie reference low the rocky mountains. It'd be a hell of a lot rockier than this when you look at the game. I'm actually with you. And and we talk about it all the time and i think some of our listeners who are new to this particular trade especially we have brand new state opening up in tennessee where they can deposit money into their duel. Sportsbook accounts you don't know that. Hey look you look at a number and ultimately it suggests one thing this number of we've seen as you talked about at the top of the breakdown two very different schools of thought. Some folks wanted to run and lay with clemson say. Hey look favorites for reason but when you got out there when wait pump the brakes a little bit. The underdog has some value. I'm be curious to see what we ultimately have in terms of a game day. Movin where this settles. Because when you sit in that five and a half six range it gives bookmakers a little. Bit of flexibility. Do they wanna just hover between five and a half and four and a half knowing. It looks like it's going to be a relatively close sixty forty breakdown tickets or we see six and a half league or fall down to four or maybe even three and a half going to be interesting to watch the cat and mouse game taking place in the betting markets since this will be the most heavily bad game of the entire saturday slate is crazy. Sound you probably had a good number right. Just depending on what information comes in moving forward but i think probably if i'm looking at this knowing that i got hit with sharp money at four and i got hit with sharp money at seven the other way you're probably gonna sit here at like five and a half or six and a half depending on your viewpoint as a bookmaker. Yeah it's a great spot to be in. I mean when you have the opportunity to inject little bit of your opinion and be sought to john sheeran as we do every single thursday and he continues to make our audience smarter. You like to do that. You go hey look. I'm happy to take a little bit of a stance and if you think clemson's decide as much as you'd love to go and clemson's decided we're just gonna hang seven. Take as much money as we can. Anybody who's been behind the counter knows that's not quite the case you're not afforded that luxury. Most of the time. Yeah without question without question so should be a hell of a game. Four massive games to look forward to and of course we kick things off in style on friday night on the smurfs tariff with byu. Taking on boise state pain. We are not done here on this very fine at the board. Podcast college football edition until we identify a best bet. And we are on a modest game winning streak one that. I'm sure you and i along with our listeners would like to take two three. Where are we going to try and make a little bit. Scratch scratches this weekend. Let's go with a little night. Game in the acc go with rotation number three one. The louisville cardinal plus the three. I think there's some value here in this number. Probably a pick em type game. Had last week's upset of north carolina not occurred. and you'll look at some of the underlying metrics like net. Epa louisville is significantly better than virginia in that category. I think the offense going to give virginia some troubles with some speed on the outside. The key here is can louisville. Get a stop. And i think sometimes it'd been pretty good stopping the run with nato. I don't eat box. We saw a little bit against notre dame and i think the other discrepancy we both have here is is louisville is faced in our minds. Tough schedule so. I think there's value in the number here. I don't mind the matchup. And and that's basically i think we make this game picks so taking three. And that's is something we're going to do everyday of the week you're officially on the mikhail cunningham bandwagon after he sliced and diced your seminals defense digging into some of the passing stuff as well. They're a little surprising. Because my eyes don't tell me he's the greatest passer. Some of the efficiency metrics are not too bad. Well if you have wide open to out while running through florida state secondary. John this about forestay come any come on at six degrees of florida state separation. It's an acc game. Are we going to try and get around it. This is true we had a very good week. Right by. didn't lose a game. Dalvin cook went ape shit. There was a good week before state. Football one other a couple of things also to keep in mind for this game Virginia loses one of its team leaders in a starting defensive. End richard bernie. He's gonna opt out for the remainder of the season because of a medical issue. Both virginia and louisville dealing with covid situations for so for those folks who i'm sure gonna poke around air. You guys worried about louisville. They're going to be down a number of key cogs and their defensive line. Yes we know. There was money that came in against them. Last week with virginia tech. Getting bet up from three to five and a half but scott satterfield. If you do your reading is said hey look. This is the world we live in. We can actually prepare to be down a couple of those guys on the defensive line and like you said pain. I think when you play some of the mobile quarterbacks and diverse running attacks at louisville has faced brandon armstrong accompany may feel like it's a little bit slower motion than jordan travis or virginia tech khalil. Herbert along with ended hooker. And of course the physicality they encountered at notre dame in south bend. So you like. I like got agreement here on the ville. Yep let's go to rick pitino. Still their head coach. I gotta tell you if you've was probably a little better blair. I know luvell our beds aboard best bet thin you have anything else. Know life advice. You wanna share homemade recipe. You know cocktail suggestions. Anything maintain a couple of cocktails this week. That's all right for paid insider. You can follow him on twitter. I'm todd firm and you can follow me there as well. Most pol the podcasts. The board pod. We'll be right back with you. Same time same place tomorrow to talk a little national football league but in the meantime come saturday evening in charlottesville with a louisville taken in hand. We'll see you the win. Thanks for listening to the board. You can catch todd and pain every monday. Wednesday and thursday during football season. Breaking down the biggest. Nfl and college football games and to make sure you don't miss any free best. Bets subscribe to bet the board on itunes google. Play spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts.

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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Palpably Unfair Podcast praises Mahomes

Arrowhead Pride

05:14 min | 11 months ago

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Palpably Unfair Podcast praises Mahomes

"Today answers matter more than ever before. That's why ibm is helping. Businesses manage customer. Questions with watson assistant. It's conversational ai. Designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm dot com slash watson assistant the following segment is from the palpably. Unfair podcast on the sp nation nfl show. Where we're discussing your favorite team. Subscribe to the nfl. Show to make sure you don't miss conversations like this one so we're gonna we're gonna do our normal bit. We're gonna talk about some top quarterback performances of the week. We're going to get to kyle's defensive. Mvp is on the other side of the ball. I wish we had some trade deadline stuff to talk about but literally. Nothing happened on that front. So we're going straight into it other than that. I mean you know. The forty niners cut dante pettis and there was another small moves. But let's get into the top quarterback performances of the week as we do every week here number one. Okay i get it the jets Patrick mahomes man. I'm actually this is going to lead into a question. But are they twenty eight points allowed per game the jets defense. Yes are they thirty. I pass defense devi away for sure. Are they coast by a robot sent from the future. Destroy football Some people say yes. I put quarterbacks that have played the jets on here before. And when you have the most touchdowns for the week with five and you've thrown for the most yards by over sixty when you have the highest yards per attempt. I point nine. He go thirty one for forty two with two drops and a passer rating of one forty four point four like it's hard not to celebrate that performance because of the homes is really fun and it's like keep in mind. This is the jets defense. That held the buffalo bills and josh allen to eighteen. Points the week before. So they're bad. Yeah but also mahomes is mahomes homes and he was damn near perfect in this one and he just really never got out of rhythm i i all of his throws from this one and the bows out quick to the right guy. Just a great example of a quarterback executing the scheme. When it's they're taking was there and then creating when it's not there once ball. Gripe i got a doctor. Homes for the thirty yard touchdown to mccoll hartman. Those will touch passes with the jet motion. Should one hundred percent be counted as runs. I don't care that the ball technically goes forward in the air on a lot of credit goes in this one to andy reid and eric the enemy. The screen game is always great for them. That appeals look great. They have the obligatory deep red soda. Shovel pass to Travis kelsey for the touchdown props to tyreek hill. To the thirty six yard touchdown as well about. That's one of the better quarter post cells that you're gonna see an all all's mahomes had to do was get it there because i was by himself in fast as one thing but getting open as another and hell was super clean on that one. Last played a note on this yet scrambled to his last year. We were actually talking about this before the show he scrambles to his left so it's his off hand off ball hand side. He throws a guest as momentum with all ball that teleported through a defender The man is defying science. But that's nothing new kyle. All of that said should we draw a line in the sand right here and say that the jets disqualify any quarterback performance. Now that we have eight games of evidence with this defense and this team being i guess would be the certified boot chicks. I don't i don't know if we should. It's tough to say that because obviously they're not very good. Nobody's gonna argue that when you just do. What patrick mahomes did. And yes patrick. Mahomes patrick mahomes but come on man look what he did like look at those throws you were talking about. We have talked about the one. Where somehow the ball goes past a helmet where it looked like it whistles through the person on that post route tired you that you mentioned that is almost on a line. It's just all of his passes look great. He's doing a great job of just buying time when he has to as well so even when he has to go outside the structure. He's not panicking. So i really don't think so. Even when he's challenged man he just still looks like a perfect quarterback he's he's is unreal at someone's gotta take a stance against this guy right because like you're not making any money praising patrick mahomes you could probably make some money by taking the opposite stance you could skip bayless. You know like like he does middle braun. You could skip bayless. Patrick mahomes at some point and people don't love. Tom brady a lot of people. Hey tom brady. They continue to hate against them win. Does that public opinion shift to where fans are just like sick of hearing about patrick mahomes because he's always magical. I don't know kyle. What do you think happens with that. I don't yeah. I don't know either. Just because listen to his numbers from this past week. his epa per play. Patrick mahomes point six five when okay. That's a fake number. His success rate sixty four point three and again. yes that lot of that could be. Ca- come from the jets but his expected. Completion percentage completion percentage over expectation was eight point to his air yards. He's doing now. He's drinking ducking and yet you mentioned the shovel. Pass those. that's just the chiefs offense. That's going to happen on air series especially when they get down near the goal line so his air yards or nine point. Two aberdeen. Nine point two yards in air. So he's throwing the ball down. The field man's Superstar grade i'd run out of superlatives. Talk about her. Yeah so he probably should end up on this list. A little bit more frequently this vow especially as this. Let's go to this guy. Make sure you don't miss our next conversation by subscribing to the sba nation nfl. Show wherever you get your podcasts.

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Episode 8: What We Learned from Preseason Week 1, NFC

Establish The Run

43:12 min | 2 years ago

Episode 8: What We Learned from Preseason Week 1, NFC

"<music> i and welcome to episode eight of the official established run dot com podcast. My name is adam levitan. I'm one of the cofounders year at e._t._r. And today i am joined by my partners endeavor the man who actually made the mistake of attending a real life n._f._l. Game last week rather than watching it with his internet friends like the rest most of us normal people it is of course one only evan silva evan. What's going on yeah. Yeah went to the bears panthers preseason opener at soldier field it was it was definitely a fun experience went with buddy kevin brock. He is <hes> an e._t._r. Subscriber he had a good night on <hes> was a thursday on saturday onside aturday. Yeah you're right. You like seventeen. Next is entry so <hes> was was happy for him is that he had a very nice night but <hes> yeah time <hes>. I'm sorry david montgomery really stood out. We'll get you. We'll get you at all talk about. We'll talk about it when we talk about the panthers and the bears yeah as i mentioned last episode hope you guys listened to episode seven the a._f._c. version of this but the plan for this week is to release a few podcasts for for you guys n._f._c. Takeaways from the first week of preseason a not about precinct but things that we think you guys will be able to use a going forward for the regular season nuggets that we saw aw <hes> from the first preseason games and then a bit later this week we will go over. Some of the changes in value that we've seen changes at evan is made to his top one fifty the i think it's really important interesting to stay on top of that on a weekly basis and as always really think that you'll enjoy and benefit from the content that we have on established run dot com whether you're getting ready for a season long draft whether you're getting ready for the best season whether you're playing the great the truly great game of preseason d._f._s. I think you will find find value it over at our site established run dot com all right enough promos heaven. Let's get to the business here. We're gonna go team by team to the n._f._c. z. Enough medical order today what we saw <hes> atlanta evan. We've seen atlanta twice now. We still haven't seen the ice. We still haven't seen julio jones or war devante freeman. We have seen i think to most people with two is that brian. Hill looks way better than ito smith. What are you seeing out of atlanta and these two games yeah. That's really the only topic that we i mean matt. Ryan's locked in you know that three receiver set is locked down of julio calvin really muhammed sue austin hooper is locked in you know devante. Freeman is locked down. I'm glad that they're not playing devante freeman these games i want his body is as healthy as as it could possibly be entering the season sent the important. <hes> situation to monitor is yeah as you mentioned who was number two back for the falcons. Your smith has been outplayed played by brian. Hill inquiry listen so far by a pretty good distance <hes> in the preseason and because of davonte freemen's sort of breaking down body. I don't wanna say that. His body is broken down but i mean there are signs of it. Because of how often he's been injured over the past few seasons then that number to back position becomes more important. I think the brian hill has looked like the best back so far for the falcons this preseason <hes> he is. It looks like he lost fifteen pounds. I mean i've never seen this dude. Look this lean. He closed out last season. Really strong had twenty carries over the over. The past few games average like six yards per carry showed some big playability as a runner. He was a workhorse at wyoming he was the feature back they really built the offense around brian hill and not josh allen at wyoming when he was there and he's shown some accurate in the passing game which he did not really show <hes> at wyoming so so far this preseason i think if you deserve to get that number two job and i say that even as an edo smith dynasty owner <hes> i just think brian hill deserves it. I wanna be a brian hill dynasty dynasty owner at this point. I also own quadri alison in dynasty but i think the brian hill is the best back <hes> behind devante freeman backfield based based on what we've seen so far in based on what we saw last year yeah and generally speaking. I just want to be high on atlanta this year as a whole going into this season i mean offense coordinator. Change thirteen don't games emphasis that they've placed on the offensive line. I think calvin really can make a step forward in your to getting devante freeman healthy. There's a lot to like. I think for this atlanta offense <hes> this season so i want to be high on them anyways. Let's go to arizona a lot of that was like the game that everybody wanted to watch in the preseason because cuyler murray was i was going to play <hes>. They didn't really unleash. I think what they're actually use in week one like they didn't run what clip kingsbury going to run in week one. They played it very close to the vest but still i thought tyler was pretty impressive. He just took a bunch of short throws underneath thirds but he was really accurate. I didn't run it. All wasn't forced to run at all. What did you think of cuyler murray's n._f._l. N._f._l. debut heaven yeah and those quick passes and he's such a quick twitch mover. He might be the quickest twitch like quarterback in the n._f._l. Already <hes> but yeah those short passes this is where he just gonna take what the offense gives you in <hes> let the receivers you try to create a runoff for cash chances that is a staple of the cliff kingsbury offense from texas tech in protects the offensive line. We've got this data draft. Guide six years of texas tech texas tech had one offensive lyman drafted in six years under cliff kingsbury. They did not have offensive line talent at texas tech and but they had one of the the fourth lowest sacree n._c._w._a. N._c._w._a. football during that six year stretch so he knows how to deal with an offensive line that is talent efficient and the cardinals have a talent deficient asian offensive line <hes> and we're gonna see a lot of that quick passing and a in arizona this year and that's why those slot receivers eat like shaquille grant not at texas tech. We're trying to figure out exactly who those slot receivers are going to be <hes> but they didn't give us any clues in the first game. They're out there huddling taking taking their time. That's not what we're going to see in the regular season. I thought it was interesting that on the eleven snaps that kyle murray played david johnson had seven which is fine but she's edmunds had four and now he's a guy that i think if they can get to that i mean they're not gonna run ninety or even eighty plays per game whatever they've said but if they can get up into the top five top four in place per game in the n._f._l. Chase edmunds might end up getting more work than i think a lot of people anticipate and of course he's got that handcuff that upside with being a straight handcuff if something happens to david johnson continues to be one of the best late round picks in all a fantasy. You have totally agree i and also i don't know what they're doing. They're wide receiver usage but you mentioned climbers. Eleven snaps. I mean christian kirk. Only on five of them to marry bird was in one eleven of them so so it's not something i'm worried about it just like a rotating guys in <hes> but yeah just something to note there on christian kirksey still think that christian kirksey larry fitzgerald are locked in is the top two wideouts for the cardinals this season but i will be monitoring that situation. Let's go to carolina man and two of my favorite preseason players. I don't have a lot of notes here on the regular season to finish preseason players lord all jack robinson and rashad ross combined for one catch for five yards. You really hate to see it evan. Do you have anything on carolina. This was the game that i went to. I didn't really have a ton of takeaways. I i was watching most closely in the second half when it was elisha holyfield in reggie boffon elisha holyfield's score two touchdowns touchdowns but he just looked slow out there couldn't be anyone around the edge and that falls in line with the fact that he ran a four seven eight forty jordan jordan scarlet. Who was their fifth round pick. He was inactive due to a back injury. He's missed several days of practice. You know he's probably not even locked into that not number two running back job bob anymore. Cameron artis payne is cameron artis payne. You know just doesn't really the coaches love him. He does play on special teams. I thought reggie bonifant actually look the best among running backs that played in the game of course e._m._c. did not <hes> but yeah there weren't too many takeaways from the panthers preseason opener will greer played a little bit. He showed some moxie but but you know he's a fourth round. Rookie quarterback in those guys are usually longshots yup all right. Let's move to a situation that i think does have some raiders season impact and that's the way david montgomery gumri played for the chicago bears in that game <hes> free cares for sixteen yards and touchdown on the ground and then also had three catches for thirty yards. Do you think <hes> <hes> david montgomery's usage in this game suggests that <hes> he's lower the depth chart than we thought or was he played so well that <hes> he's moving up the depth chart. How do we see david montgomery coming out of this game. Will i thought this game <hes> it was at soldier field and every time that they like hit a field goal or extra point the crowd just corrupted like maggie like has the entire city of chicago obsessed with this kicker situation. It's it's out of control. You you go to a bar and start talking about the bears like the first thing that someone will bring up is damn kicker situation now because he and he's made such a production of it. It's just it's it's out of control. It's like so like no one else is doing that. No-one else's obsessing about a damn kicker anyways. Mike davis started started the game like mike davis. She's a replacement level back. That can kinda do everything you know kind of jack of all trades master of none david montgomery came in and he looked exactly like he did at iowa state. He's tough as hell to tackle us rock solid in the passing game. He's not a breakaway a speedster but he's going to break tackles. He had the most broken tackles in all of n._c. Double a. last season and that is very much a translatable trait as is his versatility yeah. I think that he is despite the fact that he played technically played behind. Mike davis in this game. I think he's definitely going to leave the team and touches <hes> <hes> but i don't think he's going to get like three hundred touches <hes> because i think that they are going to incorporate mike davis and they're most certainly going to incorporate to re cohen <hes> <hes> we should not this game. Anthony miller left with an ankle injury which didn't look great so we'll have our i <hes> on that. Let's go to dallas where twenty pollard started and he kinda got the starter treatment evan a one drive for tony pollard than they took him out. I'm pretty sure that zeke elliot actually does hold down into the regular season which i don't think that he will but if he doesn't pretty sure that tony pollard is going to be the feature back one at home against the giants <hes> do you have the same take. Yeah only played nine snaps. They got him out of there. In a hurry he did play with the ones alfred. Morris was healthy d._n._p. But after the game jerry jones came out and said <hes> yeah we think that tony capable of carrying the full load if he needs to he really is more of like along the lines of an alvin kamara era tight back you know so. I don't think he's going to be like an every down workhorse necessarily but it could be a guy you know what did alvin kamara average after mark ingram came back last year sixteen point seven touches touches per game you know i think that that's within the range of outcomes if ezekiel elliott's holdout extends into the regular season tony pollard is an explosive obsessive explosive dude you got hundred four passes in three seasons at memphis brought back six kickoff returns to the house averaged seven yards per carry and they're really excited about him and they should be. I thought he was an awesome. Pick in the fourth round. <hes> darwin stood out in this game and you know the reports out of training training camp have been darwin looks a lot better probably unsurprisingly then thirty-seven-year-old jason witten <hes> took blake darwin in <hes> the pros vs joes tight end premium on <hes> on my f- my my twenty eighth round pick <hes> and i and you know if you're playing in that kind of a format it's best ball league and you have twenty six like you've gotta take three kickers and to defenses but i think he's a really good tight end. Four hit four catches for fifty one yards on five targets in this game and he was pretty good down the stretch last year. Let's go to detroit detroit <hes> they did give c. J. anderson a little bit of work which surprised me some but no matthew stafford know kerryon johnson no kenny golladay. I didn't really have any takeaways out of detroit. Did you know no yeah. That's the only thing that i had written down. No carry on which i think is a good thing <hes> and then she j a anderson three snaps to carey's didn't didn't even get yet <hes> thai thai johnson much work which was disappointing now. No takeaways doc was other than that <hes> in green bay. You know i i know people have been wanting dexter williams to push aaron jones to push <unk> williams. I mean they treated dexter. Williams not that twelve for preseason <unk> fifteen touches. It's not the way you would use someone that you think we'll have a big role in i would also note evan that aaron jones returned to practice saturday from his hamstring injury injury immediately back with the first string not the way that can see treated damien williams. Damian williams got back from his hamstring injury. He was still <hes> he was placed with the backups. Aaron jones right back again with a starters after his hamstring tweak. A what do you think about the running back situation in green bay now. We'll guy really wanna talk about. Tim boyle all right. This dude comes out uh-huh five pass attempts to touchdowns man. How about that touchdown rate <hes>. I wish you go. We got to see more and like i wanna see tim boyle play man you know but he did his work if you played them in preseason d._f._s. He kinda paid off in bypass. I pass attempts but dextra williams yeah fifteen touches eighty yards. I thought he played well as a runner and as a receiver but he he did have a mix up in pass pass protection allowed his quarterback too hurried and the bi writers have been saying that he's been dropping the ball and practice way too much and matlock floor when when he's been asked about dexter williams. He's been very kind of on the fence. You know he hasn't been like oh. We're really excited about decks or anything like that. He's been like you know. He's got a ways to go. <hes> you know we need to see more from him so hopefully he can make improvements over the course of training camp. I do think he's got a spot on the fifty three in all likelihood <hes> i i would expect him to continue to get a lot of touch this preseason all right. Let's go to another rookie running back with the los angeles rams and there's a theory out there and i think i kind of by this that actually ty girlies direct backup is malcolm brown and darryl henderson is going to have a role regardless. Same role of weather girly is in or girlies out <hes> darryl harrison did play get six carries. Malcolm brown did not play. What did you think of the way henderson was using. Any thoughts outs on that theory. I just opposed. I don't know about that. I think that that's very much up for grabs. It's another situation where if todd gurley were to miss time time then darryl henderson would be like the alvin kamara and malcolm brown will be like the mark ingram. Gerald henderson is just so much more explosive than malcolm brown <hes> malcolm brown i mean he went undrafted out of texas. He wasn't super productive. It's access. <hes> you know the deal that the lyon signed to sign him to i mean and then you know the rams matched. It was two years three point three million. You know it's not like i mean i think that he is a between the tackles grinder and i think that he will have a role if todd gurley mrs time but i still think that gerald henderson i would be most explosive back on the team and darryl henderson persson isn't like small. He's five eight two eight. You know that's not that's not small by any means and he did handle the vast majority of the load at memphis and he can catch passes and he's the guy to own for sure. I do think that i own malcolm brown and multiple dynasty leagues and you know i think he's worth with raw string nair and he's probably worth rostering in deep bench. <hes> season leagues but darryl henderson offers a lot more upside one thing i wanted to note i was listening to you are the winner podcast with robert mays and kevin clark. They do a great job. One of my favorite <unk> like quote unquote real football podcast listen to <hes> robert mays went to rams camp for two days. One thing that stood out to him in practice was the fact that the rams were using more multiple tight end sets. That's you know they have been an eleven personnel. Almost one hundred percent of the time team since sean mcvay got there but they've been practicing with a lot of two tight end sets that would really help gerald whatever it who's <hes> a._d._p. Titan thirty we have him. I think titan twenty three so we're way ahead of consensus on him. <hes> you know this. This is applicable applicable mainly to deep leagues but also could become a streamer if his snaps go up and if you look at how his snaps like really ascended as last season progress part of that had to do of course with cooper copying out but they may. I think they could limit cooper cup early in the season. You talked to dr chow right about cooper. Cup would not after say about him. He had dr chow. I chatted about cooper cub because i just wasn't sure there was a lot of speculation out there. Somebody asked me oh. Is this going to be like tommy. John now wear air guys. Come back stronger from a._c._l. Tears and dr child thinks definitely not and you know he's a little bit bearish on cooper cop early in the season despite all the positive reports <hes> at a camp so it's just something to note. I mean doctor. Dr chow certainly is not examined cooper cop. He hasn't been ashrams campaign. He does not think that medicine and has advanced enough to the point where we think cooper cup can be back in eight months and be stronger than he was before so <hes> yeah it's hard to decipher i think between cup cooks and woods for a lot of people i think the injury alone would make cup lasts for me and i think we talked about in the last podcast or one of the most recent ones i agree with you. That brandin cooks we my favorite. It added three just for the for the ceiling. <hes> we didn't see any of those guys because sean mcvay. Jr is never plays his starters in preseason anyway so it doesn't really matter <hes> okay okay. Let's go to minnesota and before we get to the actual <hes> actionable news from this mike boone man i mean i don't know why they only gave him four carries but he broke off a sixty four yard touchdown run due to just a total freak you noted he was second in the two thousand eighteen our class behind saquon barkley only in terms of spark due to just an absolute monster and crushing in the preseason the last two years put him on dallas as the feature back runs for fifteen hundred guards. I guarantee it evan out anyways <hes>. I think what one thing that we saw the vikings. This year is going to be a ton of twelve personnel. Their best formation is for sure irv smith covered off stefan digs adam feeling and keep a wide receiver throughout the field because like chad bb or whatever else they use a wide receiver three. It's just not going to be as good as that formation so i just think that's something to note formation wise <hes> from them. What did you see adam minnesota in their first preseason game yet at touchdown run for me was huge. That's fifty. Four touchdown right was a huge swing in preseason d._f._s. <hes> <hes> it was like towards the end of the game <hes> and it was it was you to really make a jump at that point. You needed that yeah pants off. Full full pants off intercourse. Yeah freaked out when that happens <hes> but he's clearly still behind alexander madison. I think it was it was kinda promising a little bit and it's the first preseason game but every running back that they played crushed <hes> alexander madison was rock solid early in the game then mike moon came in and he had a sixty four yard touchdown run on mir abdulah looked really good angelo henderson closed out he was rock solid and that's going to be the emphasis of their team this year. They're going to play a lot of two tight end. Sets third receivers chad bb. <hes> you know we. We've already talked about him. He's one hundred and seventy pounds and runs four seven. He's going to be in the slot. Adams going to play outside a lot more this year. When when chad bb was on the field last year eighty percent of the time he was in the slot. Adam feeling was fifty seven percent slot plot. I think that we can probably project him to be more around. Like forty five percent slot this year. <hes> which is a little bit of a concern to main concern for these guys is that the volume probably just isn't going to be there in the passing offense anymore with mike zimmer the way that he wants to operate offensively and darryl bevill as the the new o._c. Replacing past <unk> happy john filipo down the depth chart tyler conklin played really well this game he can block to an irv smith was heavily utilized. I think that kyle rudolph. I think they might scale his his snaps back this year. I know that he technically got that extension. That extension has zero eero guaranteed money beyond two thousand nineteen. Maybe the fakest contract extension i've ever seen and i think that this is gonna be his last here. In minnesota and i think that they may scale he was terrible last year as a run blocker as a pass blocker and nothing as a pass catcher <hes> and i think that he is going to be real like he's going to be scaled back. Don't don't draft how rudolph fisher out. I want to know evan and i think a big story or a big price on draftkings is adam feeling at home against the falcons at sixty eight hundred and he's going to be extremely popular and so making decisions on him <hes> in following the way he's used. I think we'll be extremely important for week. One on decay. Let's go to the new orleans saints <hes> so many people evan think oh markets gone. <hes> abattoirs can be used the way he wasn't the first four weeks of last season. He's gonna get the ball twenty six twenty seven twenty eight times as we noted on episode one of this podcast. That's not the way sean payton wants to play it and he showed that in the first preseason game <hes> they had a fifteen snap drive on their first dr camara had ten snaps tvs murray had five snaps and i think that's basically the way they want to do it like something around sixty five thirty five is what we are expecting evidence bang the drum for people to draft the tables murray mall off season <hes> it was kind of as expected of it yeah i agree with that <hes> they're certainly not going to make alvin alvin kamara the like a twenty five per game guy not no way i think his project projections should probably be in the range of sixteen to eighteen and touches per game and i think that latavius murray should probably be nine to twelve and then there will be games where they're ahead head and their offensive line just a kick ass unit is going to be dominating and they're just gonna put latavius it back there. You know he's turned thirty pounds and you know he's gonna end up with twenty touches you know and he's probably gonna be favorite when they're at the one yard line to be in there. <hes> i like that. Latavius caught three passes in one quarter. That's not something that i have really really been anticipating from. What's a._d._s. is catching a bunch of passes and i i still don't but i like to see it <hes> and then in their three receiver eleven personnel package of course versus jared cook at tight end but then it looks like it's going to be michael thomas in the slot with ted gain in trae kwan smith outside. I think that michael thomas is slot. Percentage could actually go up this year. He's really been on a per yona percentage basis on a rate basis. He's been like the best slot receiver in the league over the last two seasons but he's only like thirty percents slot if we could get him up to like forty five percent slot you know i i'd be excited about that and then you've got to burners on the outside and intend and ted ginn and entry smith all right. Let's go to the giants swear daniel jones. I mean kind of the laughing stock of the draft. Daniel jones went five. I five for sixty seven yards with a touchdown. I've already spoken to giants fans. Evan who are saying see ghetto did know what he was doing with daniel jones jones. What was your takeaway after watching the giants opener now i mean i just i'm tired of july manning. I hope that daniel daniel jones is good. I don't care about my like pre-draft expectations for daniel jones. I just wanna see decent football fan of football. I wanna i want. I want watchable football. Aw an ally manning does not provide that django jones is like athletic and if they can get him to be decisive and accurate with the football then it's gonna be you know just the fact that he can move is going to make their offensive line. Look better immediately. You're right. He was five for five for sixty five yards and a touchdown then. The game got delayed by lightning. I was expecting him to go back. In after the lightning delay you did not go back in and i kinda thought you know why did he not go back. In or the giants <unk> too scared because they make all their decisions based on sentimentality and like feelings and i my thought in my mind you know are are they not putting daniel jones back in because it just would stir up a quarterback controversy. They just live in fear of the fan base which reacted so strongly driven by mike francesa when they when ben mcadoo benched eli manning either way ben mcadoo was right but they are way too loyal to ally manning. It's just it's outrageous. Give me daniel jones. Please any other giants. Take sides now. That's all i got all right. <hes> the philadelphia w eagles do not play carson winston play a bunch of other starters but they did split the quote unquote first teamwork pretty much down the middle between jordan howard and miles sanders. We've talked a lot about miles. Sanders talked a lot about him. During our three fifty drive. We are relying on him very much so optimistic. I mean the beat reports out of camp on mile. Standards are just absolutely through roofer now also in this game. Dow's goddard unfortunately hurt his calf. He is week-to-week which i think is a concern given we already had concerns about <hes> target a volume and snap volume. Dow's goddard this year. What did you see out of the eagles. Yeah not love dallas qatar but like you can't draft them right now. Because first of all he goes multiple rounds ahead of where he should and now he's like questionable for week. One calf injuries are not easy to deal with <hes> so that that's absolutely a concern <hes> yet mile sanders jordan howard had three carries a piece no targets for either guy. We can just move onto the next one all right. Let's go to san francisco and man what what a mess at wide receiver. I actually got. I mean like i. I wasn't really making an ups but i was like dante. Pettis fifty four hundred on decay <hes> against tampa bay in week one was sticking out to me however the camp reports on dante pettis have been awful. Cow shanahan has called him out that he's not staking a claim as the number one wideout hideout getting pushed by deebo. Samuel jalen hurd <hes> markey's good when kendrick born who whoever else are you buying this dante pettis struggling stuff where where you add with this wide receiver corn cisco because jalen hurd <hes> i mean jalen hurd was preseason style. We were on them. He absolutely balled out yeah i i am. I'm buying it. I am buying it. <hes> i mean kyle shanahan has talked about it repeatedly talked about it after the preseason opener and then he talked about it again the day after they played their preseason opener on sunday <hes> he said that starting roles are up for grabs. Dante pettis played in this game. Jimmy garoppolo did not george cadle did not got dante pettis played in this game and he played a decent number of snaps and it didn't have a catch and then deebo. Samuel came in three touches for seventy five yards. Jalen hurd smashed two touchdowns <hes> so i. I think that there's absolutely concern for for dante pettis right now. He convicts that that you know i i i still really like dante pettis. I think that his a._d._p. Probably does deserve to drop a little bit but if it does. I'm probably going to continue to take them if you move down the the ninth round or something and i think deebo samuel has been undervalued throughout this and i myself have undervalued jalen hurd because i just wanted to see something something. I didn't know how is going to be used. You know i didn't know if he was like a backup. Tight end. Kyle shanahan even talked about using him as tight end. He's been a slot and z receiver receiver so far in training camp ended the preseason and he's huge she six five two thirty. You can see it like he got a like on a crossing route easy catch on a crossing route on his on his first touchdown and you could see like the way he finished that run. I mean he just wrecks ran right through two guys to to finish that t._d. You could see his running back mentality on that play so he's a guy that like he's going to be exciting for a coach to put out dairyman because he's got incredible versatility. He's a really really good athlete. He's a mismatch treater in the slot. You can even use them at running back. You know oh because they've got kevin coleman. They've got a matt breda and then the other guys are falling by the wayside jerk. Mckinney looks like he might open. The season on injured reserve <hes> jeffrey wilson. It looks like he's going to get cut. He's he's been out for a long time with a calf injury. <hes> raheem mostert it was concussed in the preseason opener <hes> so i think the jalen hurd <unk> that'd be really intrigued. He starts to get some reps as a running back in practice this week. That's something i'll be looking looking out for. Last year's forty niners backfield collectively and the surgery bar stat collectively forty niners running backs had the fifth most yards from scrimmage in the n._f._l. And we've kind of narrowed the backfield down to two guys <hes> assuming that jaylen her does not enter the mix which is a possibility <hes> but it's narrow down at seven coleman and matt breda breda is severely undervalued right now as a guy that you can still get in the ninth and tenth round <hes>. He is an awesome zero r._v. depict. He's going to open the season with a role. <hes> kevin coleman is not going to be a workhorse. I don't think and there was another development in this game is trent. Taylor suffered a jones fracture. Trent taylor was expected to open the season as the forty niners starting slot receiver and jones fracture. That's that's not good man that that is not good <hes> <hes> and so that opens up that sought role four jalen hurd to be a week one star. He's a guy that i got to put him. Atop fifty at this point yeah and we're gonna go through top top. One fifty changes obviously still top one fifty list. You can find it in the draft. We're gonna go through changes on the draft. I'm interested to get your take based on a lot of the san francisco. Oh running back news because i do like ten. Maybe a little bit more than you and i do agree with you that meritas great pick. Let's go to seattle where they didn't play chris carson but rashad. I penny played a ton. I think sharp penny might have even played until like deep into the second quarter <hes> and then you quoted <hes> an interview that pete carroll did today where pete carroll just raving about chris carson in the past game saying chris carson had the best hands on the team. I mean it seems evan like all systems. Go for chris carson right now. What did you make any playing a lot and peak heralds comments yeah that was definitely <hes> something that stood out out in this game seven touches in twenty snaps would not have anticipated rashad penny playing that much under any circumstance <hes> but clearly they haven't seen seen enough from rashad penny and he's got something to prove <hes> and then he had carol did a <hes> an interview on serious and he said the chris carson might have the best hands on the team. He's gonna catch more balls this year for sure and statistically first of all. You know what pete carroll's been right about chris carson people talk about how pete carol always sunny about players. Will you know what he's been right about chris carson because he talked him up all last year all last offseason people laughed at them. All they use the first round pick on reshad penny they gotta they gotta play him right well. When push came to shove no chris carson was the stud. He missed suit games a still finished top five in the n._f._l. Rushing yards and you mike davis out of the backfield hundred forty six touches. He led the team in a ah backfield targets with forty three going to have to throw the ball more this year first of all. It's really hard to repeat. How how oh hello there. Pass attempts total was last year. That's just hard to repeat you know they're gonna regress the other way and then let's talk about their defense right now because this defense is in shambles bobby wagner <hes> just underwent p._r._p. Injection on lower on a lower body injury out indefinitely jarran reed their best defensive tackle suspended six games l. j. collier their first round pick suffered a severe ankle injury out indefinitely frank clark gone to kansas city lost their stud slot cornerback justin coleman to the lions lost earl thomas to the ravens lost shomar stevens to the vikings. This defense does does not look good right now and they're going to have to <hes>. They're gonna play from behind more this year. They want a lot of one score games last year. They were fortunate team last year. They really should i've been closer to like eight or nine wins. They had ten <hes> and but they're they're. They're gonna be more situations where they have to know. Put their foot on the gas. Ask and throw the football season <hes> week. One might not be one of those evan their home against the bengals which certainly sets up a nice spot for chris carson. Yes as you alluded to <hes> tampa bay. Jameis winston did play had a nice touchdown drive five or six passing of course tools completions went to the god himself chris godwin <unk>. The hype on chris cowan is obviously out of control. It's like kind of a joke at this point that <hes> anybody who follows football whatsoever is even aware of chris. Guy wins is impending breakout but still i still think chris cowan can pay off in the fourth or fifth round. If you can get him there <hes> they also did what they said they were going to do. Pain barbara started martin played exclusively with the first unit. Ronald jones mixed in with the first unit and then played the second unit. I thought ronald jones looked way better than he did last year <unk> <hes> for what it's worth what you think of what tampa bay showed yet nick men's yo made a great observation on twitter that that that route where you're chris carson scored a touchdown chris godwin yep chris godwin yes hi i'm heated about kris carson's. Go take chris godwin the god himself. <hes> caught that i drive touchdown very reminiscent. It's like a little rub. Slash pick screenplay <hes> that that bruce arians used to run all the time with larry fitzgerald and <hes> that that's exciting you know usage note for chris god when pain barber started ronald jones worked in with the ones yet they they both looked alright. <hes> bershad pyramid bershad perryman looked like the clear cut number three wide receiver <hes> he ran with the ones <hes> sean newsrooms boy tanner hudson absolutely crushed it. He played sixty. One snaps. Dude wants nazi. That's seven for eighty four and a touchdown. I wonder if they might shop cameron break and i think that ten or hudson can maybe removing that number to roll behind o._j. Howard and i think that you know o._j. Howard <hes>. I don't think he played in this game did he. No i don't think so no yes so they're saving him up and he's going to have a monster season but you're just how much they targeted tanner hudson in a offense that quote unquote bruce arians hates tight ends. I like to see that as it may relate to o._j. Howard up higher on the depth chart yeah actually i take that back o._j. Howard i believe did play was out there for every snap james <hes> but anyways. Let's move on to our last team in the n._f._c. It is the washington redskins which is offense. I do not have high hopes for whatsoever. I know that's not a hot take but <hes> <hes> they just look really bad untalented. Twain haskins clearly operating as number three quarterback right. Now got picked off twice in game. One note was they did something weird. Terry mcelwain played one snap and there was removed like wife and play. Em one snap. <unk> regard seems like he's in line to start. I'm not really sure matters. Is there anything in washington that intrigues you evan terry maclaurin sorry maclaurin mcelwain. That's like old washington. Bullets play exactly john mcelwain yeah. He's played for my bullets. Emina googles yeah terry maclaurin dressed but d. n. p. He may <hes> ben standing. I think that that mentioned that he may already have a starting job wrapped up yet so teams treat starters. They you know they they. They will hold them mm out in situations like that so i thought that was a very interesting development. He's got that chemistry you know that rapport from college with dwayne haskins and you know. I think that that's worth more than <hes> you know then. That's the shower narrative right yep so but yeah other than that i got. I got ah nothing on the skins. They're they're gonna stick this year bad yup alright a._f._c. was in the last episode. We just finished the n._f._c. that trigger you guys pretty much caught up to date on everything that happened over the last week going on with these teams in the preseason and going forward so go to salvage run dot com pick up the draft kit pick up the precinct d._f._s. package pickup the season package while it's still only two hundred dollars in for evan for jerry. I am at a good luck everybody <music>.

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Stats & Eggs, 9/10: Fred Warner is off the COVID-19 list

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Stats & Eggs, 9/10: Fred Warner is off the COVID-19 list

"In sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports. Check it out sports betting dime DOT COM. Good Morning I'm Rob Stats Carreira today's Thursday September. Tenth two, thousand twenty here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners. The most exciting news of the day came with return to practice of Linebacker Fred Warner who came off the reserve covid nineteen list after ten days away from the team as for the other banged up player center Ben Garland was limited and receivers devote Samuel and Brandon you didn't practice their participation on Sunday is very much up in the air which would leave Kendrick born and Dante Pettis as the starting receivers on the outside. Head coach Kyle Shanahan met with the media yesterday and described what it was like practicing in the Eerie Orange Glow because of all the fires in California I feel like I'm in the book of Eli it's like an apocalyptic out there but surprisingly their quality doesn't seem as bad as it looks i. mean few weeks ago when we had it or last week I mean it got up it got past one fifty here for us but today when we were just out there fifteen minutes. AGO The air quality was sixty nine I think which isn't close to what it's been But yeah, definitely look different out there he referenced the Air Quality. The air quality scale goes from zero to five hundred with one fifty and above being described as quote unhealthy to breathe I really like it down somewhere between zero and fifty and anywhere between fifty and one hundred fifty is described as moderate when it comes to air quality I don't know about you moderate doesn't really seem good enough. As the forty niners prepare to play Arizona this week, they'll have to come up with a better way to slow down cuyler. Murray's offense than they did in the two games last season sell. Nick Bosa. Who is pretending to be callum early and practices week we have Richie, I think he's GonNa do some of the zone reed of hasty our new running back because nick and CJ aren't cutting it with the speed. But Yeah. just a zone read stuff other than that Trying to keep your eyes on his hips. Bosa. Did say the experience they gained last year and the two games against keiler has them feeling like they have a better plan for him this week knowing where he wants to escape knowing which side of the field he likes to scramble to. It's a pretty bold comment for boasted a make I'm not sure head coach Kyle Shanahan was thrilled with that admission. Normally when a defending NFC champion opens up their season at home they can count on a warm welcome from the fans who are fired up to see their squad back on the field obviously because of covid nineteen that's not the case this year and quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo says he'll notice the difference obviously not having the fans out there not not having the faithful it's it's going to be weird and we're gonNA, Miss. Those guys you know it's just the energy they bring. It's it's unbelievable. It's invaluable for our team and we're going to have to bring energy ourselves, and so it's It's one of those things got gotTa, control you can control and make the best of the forty niners where six and two at home last season and regular season. This year's home games beyond the division include the Eagles, dolphins, packers, bills, and Washington. We always give you something to read something to watch and something you might have missed. Something to read on this Thursday is Matt Barrows. Piece in the athletic, he has anonymous quotes from scouts all across the League about every single team in the NFC it's a great way to get unfiltered opinions on anybody in the conference. Especially, the teams the niners are going to be playing when they tried to get back to the super bowl something to watch the first official depth chart has been released by the team, and there's still no answer at who starts at cornerback opposite Richard Sherman. It should be noted these depth charts are largely meaningless and are usually compiled by the teams communication staff. That said, we are days away from the start of the regular season, and we still don't know who one of the stars is going to be. That's not usually a good sign something. You may have missed the forty niners named there captains yesterday they are in no particular order Jimmy Garoppolo George Kitto Mike mcglinchey Trent. Williams Eric Armstead Richard. Sherman and Fred Warner. 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Niner Faithful Radio Niners shecocks Review

Niner Faithful Radio

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Niner Faithful Radio Niners shecocks Review

"What's yard sheboygan faithful. How's everybody doing hope. Everyone is having a legendary day speaking of legendary I think is very appropriate to open up today. Show talking about kwan. Alexander itself four. He go on a fidgety shnell. Obviously you know so mouse. I mean glenn was was lead the hot boys in you know swag on without him day definitely raise the standard of play the locker room and you know he you know i mean obviously had a rough super bowl and everything like that but you know you go out. There and play was torn for abc commodity. There's no way has pat was Perfectly healed you know so. You clearly wasn't the same as injury although he did start playing better before he hurt his ankle. And this is obviously a move that we pretty much all could guess was coming in the offseason. You know and Shanahan said on his best conference today know. It saves us having to get rid of two players next year. And so you know squat. Alexander worth two players who those players are but you know you can probably make an argument that he's not worth to pledged so you know at the salary that he is the other big news. I in another moves that we all no in seek coming coming dante pettis after the team was very open about trying to trade him and was not able to trade him was waived per matt. Boroughs is how i found out about it. So i'm gonna go ahead and say him and he said her league source so you know i wanna make sure that you know i say that because pretty sure choir to but if not is still nice courtesy to give shutouts to people who deserve it Go ahead and bring him here on a second susie gives any or but we all knew the move was coming. It had it had to be made. You know we'll get the ending. Draft looks like now that we can be what eighteen nineteen twenty basically two and a half years in will be three years by the time we get to the off. Season is kinda start to judge the the draft last a twenty eighteen in you know. Are you gonna pay She you know top ten draft. Pick first rounder money. You know that that's a question that needs to be answered over the next eight games dante. Pettis you obviously always vote with him. He's done on tv anymore. god forbid bama not more is the third round. You know what we'll get into it more. Obviously i'm trying to avoid the the never boy but you know this is the review so alabama how you doing hello to the queen Say it's very important that we just to maybe anyway. So i think it's very important to you know we're trying to avoid the obvious matter of fact let me go ahead and bring them on. Just go ahead and say what. I always do but If my jerry ladies and gentlemen adam how you doing brother not too bad. What do baby. The deal is so Obviously touchtone the obvious. I'll i'll know if you saw the text that went to a group chat is no longer a niner Quite alexander no longer niner We've talked a little bit last night. you know. We're obviously. I'm buried the lead here. We obviously what happened on sunday. So we'll get into that. Ataman added pretty interesting conversation I'll let you started off with who you compare. Decay to at. I think we need to be realistic about this. Yeah and we've all heard of during draft. Obviously he was a person of interest or the four nine or fans. You know when when he did. Come out but ozzy were more than ecstatic with deebo. I mean i honesty now now thinking back not snacks this year because we seen them flash. Last year i would have been pretty awesome for us to trade backup somehow and get another. Pick to take the book to to have selected. You think about deebo. Nbk together would've been awesome but brandon. i mean obviously. We're very very pleased with how he's coming along as well back with k. Since last year we seem some comparisons. That i never really saw like hold up thinking of a young buck for an iowa. Receiver that we got to watch grow up into arguably the best wires league for how many years e k is most comparable to terrell owens and god forbid for me to say in. It sounds weird. But he's bigger strong religious. Nfl i mean it's crazy to say that i think i think tomorrow is arguably the most. I'm not going to say the most fiscal wide receiver of all time with be reached to say maybe at least top five colleges bill. Then everything goes no see. Oh sue me having watched his whole niner career. You know he's dropped when i was ten. It was drafted was set. Look e you could find a bigger fan than me on the plan you know. I love gio He was he was he was essentially. What jerry was as far as you know not obviously not to the level of jerry but you know is more he was more. He was a bigger stronger. Faster jerry rice. And and i think that de can t o to me was never She oh i if you asked me to sum up to ios nine or career when i think of most if you look to the first touchdown of the giants game in in the two thousand three the ruling artisan lesbian it should have been should have pi but offsetting weeks ago. You know and screw. The damn giant was lucky bastards. Gotta hate him. Yeah hey. I don't feel sorry. Look can you say that maybe today maybe get the two fumbles in twenty eleven that we not get into because we do not need to send me on a fucking kyle. Williams ran No but a look subsidies out sometimes things about your way. Was it a fluke thing that that the ball it all. Of course you know what i'm saying but anyway getting back to a point. It's we saw that to me. What what what maybe think about it was when i watched and i went back and watched the the the decay the second touchdown to me the first touchdowns emmanuel moseley slipped. And you can't give you can't get the back half all drink rock up like bad for the had a subpar game. I don't think he played very well to be honest with you. I don't either anyway. And let's were kind of books. Were reviewing the game. But we're also taking it as let's be realistic. We need to look at this. With the eye towards. I'm not gonna say in next season but a broader picture. You feel me. i do not feel that. The team trading guan alexander nor waving Dante pettis is waving the white flag. I do not feel that at all. Cows shanahan said this press conference today basically came down to look if we get ridicule on over the next eight weeks is instead of having it we we essentially to players for the price of one you know and so i i fully believe that and so it's if we're being quite honest with text you last night it was pretty much a you know. Wwf moment basically. You know and honest. I said i don't know what to think. I i think. I for you know lawson close ones and and i think nine and seven is probably gonna take that seven spot in the playoffs. So i'm literally taking things week to week. I mean obviously at this point. I don't think anyone has really big. But there's a chance to be honest once again with somebody like shanti. I i do. Think if you squeak any you just never know one always remember the zona cardinals being nine and seven. I believe in all the way to super bowl. Newer a san antonio tippy toe touchdown away from actually winning the damn thing. So i mean there's got this is so i was talking to good high school buddy of mine. You know diehard faithful. We went through some times in together. You've i e what. I went to edgy hill. Junior and senior year so that would be two thousand two thousand out in three two thousand three two thousand four. That's all you know. We went through some rough times knowing each other together in high school and Obviously not asuka. You know year after graduation anyone score for many years. Yeah so the point being. Is you know. I told him like this. I said if we made the playoffs essentially you would assume jimmy anxious would be back right. Okay and we'll we'll get course Jimmy will get to the million dollar question famous. Show saying gun to our heads you know. We'll get to that in a little bit but You know it's very hard to say. Hey look the season's over when you're wet one. Two games out of the playoff spot with eight games left. You know when when we're going to try to bore everybody. But i really think this is right here I saw messages. I will get y'all in a second. I'm just gonna read this real quick because this is important Right here forty niners players who are currently out due to injury. Jimmy garoppolo george kittle. Having where he most tevin coleman. Jeff wilson wet western richard. Ben garland jordan reed. Janet heard dave on defense. Nick bosa solomon. Thomas d four marked as osha. Richard sherman Ronald blair Ezekiel players likely to be added as a year and dante pettis but he was waived players who have missed games due to injury Richie james who is limited in practice today emmanuel look mostly drake greenlaw killer. Was dante johnson. Williams jimmy so if you hear that and we're quarter one game out of a playoff spot right. Look to me. As i said. I've we union the mantra of the season is. Can we see what happens is like i m eighteen going in that final stretch where i said what you hope to happen. These these players develop and if they're worthy of roster spots in worthy of getting making a look forward then they're gonna play and you make enough plays you with you know i. Don't i believe what what is going. Twenty points in the fourth quarter proved to us that we didn't quit and we cover that we recover the onside. Kick pecan was bogus. A little bit tight point vision way from making it a one possession game at jake barely didn't get in so i mean like you said i mean one possession game and i we. I think nine appeals steel pants. Feel like we possibly lost that game. Low key in the first quarter when we didn't cover drives and i thought they all momentum right after that you were just able to see and you kind of felt. It was one of those moments. You're like please don't let this kind of be what ends up kind of deciding a game that literally kind of felt that way besides decay doing his thing and going off. I did think we should kill whether it's been a chance to build Mosey was obviously he won. Great pass break up against k. On slight bomb. If i'm not mistaken Overall been kind of left and right in my own personal opinion. I just thought kelly deserves a shot. It was like like we talked about like a basketball match up. When getting abused by own lords take put a bigger bigger play on them and see if that they will have any pets. I said it's like i said. Look i'm i'm i'm done for kahlo for as far as next season i do not want or believe Witherspoon should be on the roster next year that game two million dollars or less doubt no because that stuff in that dolphins game you know it it it. You can't talk about locker room culture. You can't talk about and you know what i tend to believe player former players. Sometimes there's a little overrated because you know they're not exactly in that locker room but when a player like dante witter comes out and says i looked at coa. Witherspoon soft you feel. That's not some scrub player. That's that's a championship caliber safety. You feel me. The biggest look hit the hit on pierre. Thomas is one of the biggest hits in history. When you're talking about a franchise that ronnie lott played for saying something i mean. It was a helmet. Hyperloop chased. Look back then. That was not upheld. Like jerry fumble football against the packers in the playoffs. That was a fumble. Guess what they didn't have replaced. Oh well crimea river you know sells its but so i think what we're looking at. We're looking at a competitive team. you know. i think all these free agents are obviously mean chew things a it means that not everybody. We're not going to run it back this year. I think that's pretty clear. There's gonna be some some rosser turnover this lightning in a bottle but if we do make the playoffs. I'll just say this. Obviously we don't even go so we make according and lose the first game. I think an all togetherness that would still be successful season with the whole damn lists of injuries that you brought up justifying you say everybody in the playoffs and losing the i would win them. And we've dealt with. Oh yeah would you. Would you apply the list that i just read to you and you tell me this team's the able to sneak into the wild card scenario or this isn't i guess. Breaking news is at this point. A rumor chris mortenson came on kmby are yesterday and reported that there is a committee that met to talk about if more games are lost and teams. Continue to lose by weeks going to sixteen playoff team playoff format. You would have a news conference for. So i mean you know go ahead and and let me stop for a second row quick. I'll give you the exact playoff Playoff standings right now if but if you tell me eight teams so the eighth seed As of this. I think it would be tied for ninth just reporting after undergoing numerous Jimmy has new worse ankles friend than was before. Yeah so that is another thing that shanahan. Todd's about. I'll go ahead and leave that on the screen for a second so everybody can read but Jimmy ankle is actually worse than originally was i mean. I think we can all a debate. That so we're not include four. Were not that foreign four. The yams are five and three five three us foreign four. The lions three or four am the panthers three and five so a game out. Okay i i want wanna get the tiebreaker right now. But you're out you're essentially a game game. I think five. And three the rest of the way and i think nine eleven's probably gonna take it. Yeah i said okay. So i broke it down last night. I said okay green bay. You feel me because i do feel that. Look you and i talked about last You know after the playoffs after the super bowl and everything we discussed hake. Mcmullan's could have beaten the vikings. I think dithering at way. Everything was last year. And i even and i said if you need to. I said let's be really what i remember. Exactly what i said was if you mean nick. Moans could turn around. Handed the ball off Most score for Votes done that you feel Yeah now obviously different circumstances. Look i i was there. I watched it both games. I was live. That pash did not let erin Rathers breaks let alone try to complete. Pass i so. We're obviously it's going to be a different scenario this sunday. You know but i expect it seemed to be competitive and what green bay washington the girls and two more wins in the division out of our three more wins. Just division games are crazy. You never know what happens. Let's not act like we didn't see mcmullan. Beat the she talks at levi's would i was there. It was pouring grade at They were so pissed their cry. There is so hot the dick russell anyway so you know the cardinals the yams you know. Bad matchup is a bad match up. I believe that kyle shanahan is just torture to the defense. You know i just. I just believe that's what it is you know. I believe if we're going to go ahead and get into a little bit of a pack review since we're not going to be able to put a shout on friday but I believe that if you tell me the way to beat the packers still is to run the ball and they're susceptible to the inside and outside zone and the niners run the inside outside zone. And that's what cost had wants to do and i believe generally for the most part if executed the correct way kyle shanahan basically do whatever he wants if the player if players execute the way he he draws it up. You've only getting getting started off on the right and outlet did against the rams and patriots surprise. Surprise will let me both lead to great victory. so that's why. I thought teams. That was so important and we didn't do that and ended up losing the game. This team is not built to come from behind. I might saying it is impossible. I'm not saying that it will never happen. But this team is built to take the lead and let the pash rush. You know play would like to but you know now this game a little bit questionable if we lose we lose our we look at a different outcome of the season. Yes of course. Let's be real you know. Let let but call me bomber. Call me whatever you want. But can i at least see what the team looks like on sunday. You know i understand. This is different. Season has not completely the same team. But i want. I said i live in both of those games You know a great detail and we dominated them like that wasn't a we won some fluke tip tash jeff. Wilson makes the play of his life on zero blades. Jimmy just happens to be able to hit him in the right spot. A perfect dante pettis catches. You know the most physical passing he probably never gonna catch against his career against the steelers. Like no this is dominate. So if you've told me they've done nothing to improve that situation than You know we'll see. I assume that they're going to be not exact same results. Because i do believe. Aaron rodgers is gonna be able to swing a little bit more. You know and i believe that. He's he's gonna you know. It's not a motivation factor. Because if you tell me. The aaron rodgers wasn't motivated going in the nfc championship game You got a problem with aaron rodgers. He was motivated to go. Look good news is that we're going to be without their top three running backs Obviously most importantly erin jones through the great fan at the top ten running in and around there but yeah they're all top through the running back stewart. Kobe situation will aaron. Jones is more injury but the one other there are other running backs. Got kobe obviously hanging around the other. Two of them. They're out to or something along those lines. It looks like aaron jones because of thursday night. Football game Is going to be out so that. That's good news for us and i looked at the spread right now the packers minus five so apparently vegas isn't it's crazy and apparently thing is going to be close game and i do think we can go ahead and still i really do believe it. I look if you tell me. Just to the vikings who were one in five x one five i think now so would you think the packers are not the powerhouse that we thought they were will. I didn't believe it. I know they got off to a great start and abu by smoky. I'll just say that adams said that in his danny green voice they are. We thought they were. You wanna crowd there. I what do you think the best. Nfc is right now. And i don't think they're the best. I think the bus bottle buster that good. You saw what happened yesterday. The way from going overtime look like i've felt that over the course of last year. I felt like we were clearly the best team in the nfc start to finish pretty much. You know i don't feel that way. I don't feel that there's any team that you're like. Okay yeah this is clearly the best team in the nfc. That's why the way that my point is as far as squeaking in the playoffs. You squeaking the playoffs in the nfc. Not really anybody that you're scared of. You know what i mean. not like. You'd have the free chips or you know or someone like that. Your conference and i mean even the chiefs loss to the raiders. Few weeks good. I think the raiders are solid team. And i think they're finally going to be a playoff team again. But you get my point. I mean like we've talked about plenty of times it gap. Nfl is at its all time low and you kind of saw that this weekend with the bengals beat the titans so i mean there you go the any given sunday and so what i tell you is one of the next you win of the next two right you would. What are the decks to against green bay or the aints No problem baby If you would've whether the next two then you tell me that we get four the next seven if you can't get for the next seven you don't deserve to be a playoff you i mean. Let's be realistic. You know the expectation. So i quick. Let's not bury the lead any longer but you know let's get into it real quick. Of course being. I was rocking all day. It never changed. Y'all obviously see the background faithful faithful. Now you don't ask why everybody says. Are you still going to do the podcast. Of course why because look obviously. I want to win the championship every year. Da but whether we win a championship were whether Ellwood sixteen or nineteen to know this year. I was gonna be around for the twenty twenty one season so you know that's why i could. You do the podcast. So let's not buried the lede any any longer famous shoreline under your head garoppolo next year. I'm going to say yes but there's going to be some form of more competition besides saint nick molin e. That's gonna be a high draft pick hydraulic. I mean anywhere in the first round may be you know trae backup to the to the top of the second round of somebody that because i don't think we're going to. I don't think we're going to be positioned for a top impact. When it's all said and done i'll say that Which would it be a time like around as well so You put a gun to my head. I'm going to say yes. Because i don't know what the hell's going to happen with matt ryan. I don't know what the hell's going to happen. We're going to be positioned to take a quarterback in the draft if even even highly regard. Obviously the statement talked about trevor lawrence. That ain't happening whatsoever. The not happening either The only guy. I've seen recently getting some hype. Izak wilson from byu. I kinda like them and obviously we have former. Byu cat while the name of steve young but So at this point yet you put a gun in my military free by default for right now. Yeah i'm going to say yes now. I will give jason full credit of this. He said on monday. Fateful radios facebook. page I guess we'll officially announce if i haven't before jason is now Facebook manager so jason pretty much everything on radio facebook. jason handles so he brought this last year. I'm sorry yesterday. Marcus mariota and and listen. Listen listen visit listening. Make me look back by doing this. Hopefully that's up to the the image that they used for this for the thumbnail. What are we thinking. I coached rodent. But i mean i. This is not an easy rebound. You never know this. Look not crazy. Is out of all the quarterbacks that are mentioned with kyle shanahan marcus mariota breeze. Something else. the table that they really don't mobile. Yeah i know that and and if you bring that in and you you if it's not a crazy if the raiders don't wanna crazy you know draft pick you feel me. I think he's only on a one year deal on mistaken. You keep my my source of all. Raiders is my boy. 'cause he's pretty much one of the only few raider fans that all right You on a on a on a level like that. You feel me was something that you. I'm pretty sure y'all have it in so count the you know. Yeah so honest. I realize that he's back. I honestly i do give credit to raider fans in terms of they go hard every single damn year no matter how other teams and And i've always said this to block of yesterday. You know when. The raiders are good when the patriots are good and all that nfl. It's just more fun in my own personal opinion. You know when those teams are were doing good and doing well so far as raider fans go on how to problem. But i don't live in northern california and do know there's you know the different climate over there. I'm in san diego. It's it's i'll put it you this way look he. I've met people to go for both teams. I've met people say look. I love the way you feel me. But i'll put it this way. There is a reason that they had against the preseason games. People really did lose a good staff and all these games you show me and so i'll just leave it at that you know that's not like sober either. But has a different story. Of course of course but look i tell i tell people from the black hole it twenty eighteen and they were supposed to choose. Who was people. I didn't interact with them the most. Because you know. I tend to not to like the look view writing goldberg. I tend not to like interact with too much. Very few people i do. Our mariota is on a two year deal. So he's gonna be. Yeah and the two years seven point. Six million. So so you know they. They obviously took a good wackadoo and is actually playing. Well overall. i say this is why i agree with. Jason is okay thinking outside the box fine. He backed it up with some some opinions and facts. And you know what it. It's competition because joe montana had one of his as far as leader at one of his best seasons in nineteen eighty seven. What else happened in. Nineteen eighty seven. Nine straight for steve young. I don't think that was a coincidence. You know and so bringing somebody into push jimmy and to say. Hey look jimmy. This is your last chance we will pull the plug on you. You know if. I will bet you in the middle of the game and you will be benched in. You know you know it's bringing somebody in. That is legit. Hey where we expected compete for a championship next year. So we can't spend all year evaluating our quarterback fill me so. Hey jimmy if it's rough you know we're bringing in marcus mariota. Whoever now if you get that right you're not bringing matt ryan another name. I've heard stowed around and you know obviously animal adams mr league-wide so you know Matthew stafford i heard. I don't see what what the hell the lines. Let's say what they'll lines i mean. They're going to trade up super high in the draft and started rookie. I mean i mean. I don't see staffer leaving. Unless they. I mean once again. I don't think they're going to be in position to have a super high pick. And i'll believe the able to be position to get a trevor lawrence adjusted fields. So i don't see the stafford one but once again it was trade deadline cannibal showroom or stuff. I'm sorry but see the replacement would be if anything that would keep my least one of the year. Figure it out. Maybe draft a quarterback. And so on that. I think one of drafting somebody. When it's all said and done. I do too is. This is at the end of the day. I believe to not jimmy sweat. A little bit known season would be Would be would need disadvantage to the franchise. Never day i think for what he you know. If you say the niners are strapped for cash. Okay we can get a good amount of cash base but yeah but he makes. Are you going to get anybody that you feel is upgrades over jimmy. Garoppolo for twenty seven million. I mean like. I said. I think if we don't draft somebody i do think matt ryan the possibility just because i think they can walk. They're going to be sorry enough where they're gonna be probably end up with a top five. Pick top six top. Seven could probably trade up and take probably justin fields that as like obviously trevor lawrence l. Actually sam darnold's another intriguing for the four. Nash almost forgot. I just thought about it now. Because i'm gonna has long. Jesse have the number one overall pick. I think trevor lawrence and gonna trace darnold what is gonna take what a high i do it or low like a second of or a fifth. Because i don't think his. I don't think his value has like ben dismantled to the point where they're going to sell top round pick. I think he's gonna be probably. I can see two or six or something or two five six something along those lines but donald zan with the surrounding cast that we got from new orleans. Maybe you know That in a second look you. Don't yeah i think. Because i feel also was you know kyle shanahan said he pretty much feels like he knows what worries at the gym. You feel me. So what is i. I personally think that they look they. Jimmy is what he is and so they probably know say he also did say that he feels for jimmy because he would have liked to see him play more. What we said Several several times or the season on the not. You don't be one. He the next eight weeks we really wanted to see with. Jimmy was gonna do the next day weeks into. We didn't get it so channy. Essentially kinda play both sides on that one in my opinion to get to get over the jimmy garoppolo thing. I've come on this show and look anybody who watches the show. I'm a strong vocal supporter of jimmy. Garoppolo you feel me. I might think that my dog is saw. We're talking about jimmy like that. I know i don't put be i know. Look he's like nobody's more heartburn than me so that you're going to give up on them now after i've not either is because you know I don't want to like jamie. And i were having a discussion yesterday and i said i brought up. I thought three valid points. Let's take take the two shots of mango sanders. Right the one in new orleans and the third sixteen against the ams jimmy under through those. Okay right we could all agree that if jimmy hits them in stride. Those are walking touchstones show. Jimmy has an. What do you think jimmy was told in the quarterback meetings the meetings. Would you understood that ball. You enter through that ball you under through all you through that ball fast. Forward the fourth quarter of the super bowl. Jimmy wasn't right. I'm sorry he was get hit in the head. You can't tell me that jimmy was alright. Okay which is on the game. I do too. Of course we didn't but okay now you're going to get there and you've been told and let's not act the was held along. The game was pretty recent. The you've been told you've been undergoing emmanuel sanders. So what do you think you're get you've lost that month. You're gonna make damn sure that you under you do not under so that ball right. You could do at while. You're in that position. You could do everything you can make sure you do not throw the ball so i believe that's a pass that jimmy can complete. Yes i do do. I will leave that with the right circumstances. Like i don't know maybe one of the top five fucking as edge rushers in the league you know maybe a second edge rusher. Maybe a healthy four. I think divorce gone. I think force played his last night in the nfl. But you know somebody comparable to be a starter is starting edge. Rusher you know in in a top tier defense you know. Maybe a healthy a healthy team. Yeah with deebo. You know Do as jimmy could make take a championship. Yeah now to jimmy drag this team championship. Probably not me. But i mean you know so if they move up to the point where if they move on from jimmy garoppolo clearly league killer kyle shanahan seen now to say that to say hey. I'm comfortable with moving onto jimmy. Garoppolo from jimmy garoppolo. Let me ask you. I mean ask you this for next season. If you put a gun to shanahan's heading he had option to have both of them or either or who do you think he would rather have the next year matt ryan jimmy. I think he would rather personally. I would rather have my right. Yes the the only scenario. I can see moving in jimmy because other than matt ryan as a flip on you. Let me flip it on you. Let me flip this on you. Given the option. Obviously having seen let's let's be. Let's let's go over. The jimmy garoppolo timeline. You get option to get traded for jimmy garoppolo twenty seventeen view of jimmy garoppolo. Okay for a second round picks. Okay sure you take kim. Essentially the same team. That went one in ten. You saw him go five. No with right okay. You probably see enough to to say. Hey now. you're talking about building the culture building the locker room and everything like that right so so. What's probably import to lockup quarterback long-term. So what do you do you say. Okay we got cap space. So let's essentially make it a two year deal with an option to start getting out from twenty twenty. I'm beyond right. That's essentially what his contract was we're going to get. We have all the cap space to take the hit upfront from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. Right we'll have two seasons evaluate him and we'll go from there. Okay so now. Twenty eighteen give me blows out his knee. Now did it now. Did he play the world's greatest when when he did play no but he blew out his knee. You fill me okay. Twenty nine hundred. Jimmy comes back gets better as the year as it goes along gets better right. Y'all coming back from nc l. Very followed gear in his first year. Full year starting. I'll say that as a starter so then all of a sudden you say hey can we get. Can we get twenty so you so your approach with tom brady who i will preference by saying i do. Not believe is the greatest quarterback ever to play but is the greatest quarterback. I watched his pretty much. You know i was searching with tom. Brady was shot. You know like. I remember john brady get drafted so I remember the preseason game. We'll replay the patriots that year. So it's you. You have the option to get. Tom brady for two years at god. Knows what he was gonna look like easy to say what it is hindsight but you know right and why. My what's chaumont martyrism. Show show monarchism You know father times undefeated so you say okay. Well jimmy. do we think. Jimmy's gonna improve. Do we think. Jimmy's gonna couch said today look Jim is going to get better the more he plays. You get better with the more you play and so hey would with a full season as a starter never season not knowing that most is gonna tears. Acl in the you know whatever okay cool. Yeah no. I think that it's better for the team to stick with jimmy garoppolo at the price that these at so you go to Now twenty twenty knowing what's happened halfway through the season jimmy's essentially look. We don't make the playoffs. I think pretty much. Jimmy's done for you. Know he might make come out week. Seventeen hase show us what you got while ass on. Yeah that's what. I was thinking but you know. Essentially it's done for the season the playoffs. So who are the last game to be happening off. Top right anneli. Yeah and i believe in And the chicago it goes. I hope you're gonna. It'd be nice for him to play the last two games if not at least a finale but you know jimmy looked like all the revolving doors. He's also had to deal with the season as well you know want santer frigging obviously rav into revolving door there and you start dang brisket who struggled early opposite kittle. Her samuel her jordan. Reed her all the running backs her obviously from would would. What did we see guess. Emc patriots what. What were we saying during those reviews shows this is starting to look at twenty nine thousand nine hundred right. Mysteriously how we had what you would assume would be are started. We had deebo. We have brandon euch. We had kids. You know working for a game so we started and now all of a sudden we miss tibo. Look what i think to me. I think being she cocks week seventeen. We'll go along way to the fan base because let's be real that the team was nine competitive the office. Just look it to sum up everything in. We'll we'll go ahead and wrap it up here pretty quick but that was not what i expected from the offense. I have no problem with the way the defense played. You feel me. All things considered in consider the positions they were put in. You mean you. And i said hey look that's that's a six nothing attend nothing of fourteen. Nothing game a different. Of course going my point a couple of moments ago where i said this team is built to play with the lead. You feel mckinney. That's mardi mold object ball and all that games the noncompetitive nisa of of the offense is what concerns me. And so. I think that that that cannot be the last image of jimmy garoppolo and just think that the faithful i won't speak for kyle shanahan but i think that the faithful orga majority of the faithful argue trot out and say jimmy. Sing jimmy king with me Next season if the lasting image that they have of jimmy garoppolo is in should no. That's not gonna happen. That can't be the last image chippy garoppolo. You feel me because then it's not going to be free. I mean so actually do. He came back and play playoffs on the line to possibly get an art spot and we all know we all. Yeah we know end. Look if jim if it's gonna happen this season. That's why i think it's going to be. I think that's what it's going to have to be. Because i think that would be enough to at least make an argument where you say. Hey look healthy. Jimmy you know you start to you know. Twenty seven million doesn't look so much compared to what forty something for matt ryan. You know what i'm saying with with bam contract coming up you know so as we do. I am old school. So i don't believe anybody deserves. Mvp's or game balls or anything during losses so What i like to do is do the reason for hope going forward Adam we'll go ahead and we'll do a just a one one reason to have hope going for the seven playoff spot and being one game away from being in the hunt and that's all you can say will obviously going to get healthier going forward. Obviously the kittle. Jimmy kind of blows because they're gonna be out for eight weeks but you know the second was you know the hopefully the jaw joint unreas- samuel eventually garland rich berg or whatever you know sherman Up saquon has gone but tara is going to come back and you know. I'm still obviously holding out. Hope for four and you know. Obviously i'm missing layers welll. So you know my reason for hope you can't get it can't get any worse from an injury standpoint. And that's all i can say. Is that in. The last playoffs buys all thinking about while the way matt ryan contract. Yeah i you cut out for a second. There bro. i will. We'll go ahead and when we get back we'll go ahead and let let him finish up but I'll go ahead and all say my reason for going forward is enlist jehan. I trust i think that although it looked dark although the you can question play calls you questions decisions in everything like that is if anybody is going to If anybody is going to give me reason to have hope going forward. It's this head coach. Because i do believe we're in good hands i. You're you're talking that ryan contracts. Yes sorry think. It's what i opened up chrome on top of my sam sung internet explorer. Yes next year. Twenty three million dollar cap hit twenty. Twenty two sixteen point two five million than twenty twenty three twenty million at twenty point. Five million i to say so very reasonable contract ashley wave actually cheaper way cheaper than jimmy. So even if we restructure and you give them a little more whatever and his age old you know. I'll put it this way. I think that kinda that has changed our opinion a little bit thirty bible so it'd be like thirty eight so loud i think that jimmy garoppolo spot on the roster next year depends on one thing and i believe one thing only what is it is atlanta asking for matt ryan will exactly what i'm thinking right now. Here's what my head is as soon as you said that. Let's just say we do somehow get that. Seven playoff spots will be picking in the lower twenties. Give or take a state we do lose in the first round. God forbid if we even do get an annual get my point. Let's say the pick is going to be in the twenties and you're able to maybe squeeze-out later. Let's just say we will get a like a second or jimmy or later. Second or third. Let's say the patriots or something. I would normally get atlanta the that first round pick and maybe you get back like a four four fourth the or some shit like that you know one of those combo deals but i would give him that first round pick. Maybe we get a pick or to back in the later rounds and then you try jimmy for a second or third. I'd probably end up doing me with you especially when we're going to be obviously hopefully stacked and ready to go for next season as far as all the all the reinforcements coming back you know still having another couple high picks to be able to fill it in with the say defensive Or something like that. I mean i do it would you trade. Would you do something along those lines. i think. good the head. I mean matt. Ryan sounds pretty sexy. Look i think you gotta do it just off the bat you gotta do. It is if you're if you're kyle shanahan and we'll go ahead and and ended on this. Your kyle shanahan and the the prices reasonable and you say. Look if jimmy's not the one and we'd tank over the next season or to look slipped lynch. A contract extension. Obviously no list got one year less than shanahan as it was only a three year extension for what his original contract was. And so you're saying look. It's not like i got forever so basically it it's boomer bus time atlanta says. Look give us the got for jimmy and a first rounder. I think you gotta make that move. If maybe maybe the falcons would be willing to take jimmy as they do draft a quarterback highs well for him to sit and learn for year type of deal jamaica up alot is going to have a career in the nfl. You know i see jimmy. Garoppolo is going to be jimmy. Garoppolo is a good quarterback. He is a starting quarterback. But i'm not saying that it's going to look like twenty sixteen matt ryan and kyle shanahan and you know whatever black. That's too tempting not to do that. You film think about tom brady. Somebody you've never seen in your offense. That's a little different. You're talking about matt ryan. Let's be real that twenty. Sixteen season with the falcons is is basically what made kyle shanahan the no brainer debt to have the coaching you. And so that would be of the niners not say. Hey look we can try to create that whether it works or not. We could talk about that. That's a different conversation. But if the falcons say give us we'll take jimmy and a third or would you be jimmy in the second. Just even say jimmy. And the falcons ended up trading out for to say adjusting fielder position to get him. Honestly speaking i and the falcons with different veteran quarterback where they could take off jimi literally flip through the pages for example. I mean you never know what type of the or they could just have jimmy. Give him approve shot for a year as once again that rookie like say justin fields Similar for you. So yes matt ryan for five years. Max where he is three years left on his contract so but overall yeah i i can see him. Plant forty i mean honestly matt ryan reminds tom brady light almost and so then you draft and develop somebody behind him. Yeah you want to worry about that for years in my opinion if you end up everybody because you know jimmy comes back at least to the playoffs jimmy king but i think as i said You after the dolphins gave us look you could upgrade from jimmy garoppolo and matt ryan by himself. You might argue whether upgrade or not ryan with kyle shanahan is upgrade over jimmy. Garoppolo healthy offense ally and a healthy surrounding cats whatnot. I think yeah. I like i said when he said analogy of do you think will you think shanahan rather have. I still think he'd rather have matt ryan next year. That jimmy guy. Yeah oh yeah yeah. I'm still taking mariota for the long term it. Yes i know. i'm not for that. Can i guess you never know. We'll see you at least if one thing and we'll go ahead and end on this note. I know i would say that a few times but if at least one thing we know we're not gonna have a boring off season right now. all surprising. I was thinking about. So i'm low key surprise. Somebody like richard sherman possibly didn't get traded. You know his little older. You're going to be a free agent. Obviously barack has obviously start at this point year fuller again in my opinion but You know if we were planning on moving on from by guess nobody. I mean i think the rally for the next eight games would have been a lake. Five six million give or take remaining something. Don't think anybody wants to touch that calf injury by like imagining like a team. That's like maybe a dvd. Not necessarily a way. Where like they can almost stave off on type of thing. You're able to claim today. See like say. I don't think the chiefs are pretty strap. But i don't know frigging titans steelers lumping because i don't want wanna bring back us well on already said i think i think i think that look we. Essentially we essentially signed richard sherman for twenty nineteen. I tip my cap. It was one hell of a twenty nineteen you know. My lasting image of richard sherman will be the pick to seal the nfc championship. You filming obviously under a lot of will think when leadership. We need a leader on defense. Obviously you needed an experienced veteran Teams plugging play. It was a lot of approve at the f. a. lot of improvement on in terms of incentive based whatnot. Not a lot. A lot of guaranteed money obviously short-term us through. He was overall great for us. But at this point not even playing a game and I don't know what you'll maybe showed the last month or two this season god knows even comes back. Maybe he will save budget. I'll just take the year off. Comeback one hundred ten percent next year. I don't know who knows what the talks are seen. Maybe that's what's really going on. He's like i don't wanna possibly imagine like getting another. I mean if you god forbid bring may let's say it is a key like lasting. You would want to retire it. You know the later part of the season next thing you know you're twenty twenty one a screwed up when you're going to be a free agent so so busy you know totally understand. Yeah you know. I think after this game i feel that. We're going to know a lot. So super-duper moderator. Mrs nine faithful for jamie jason. And adam and myself. We thank you for tuning into this week. Make sure to follow. Adam on twitter at organizers insiders you can follow the show on facebook instagram at nine or faithful radio and on twitter at nine or faithful. Are we saw see. Y'all next we shall see y'all next week. Please remember the san francisco forty niners. Don't always wins again when they do investing in nfl history. Stay faithful my go. i'm presuming go. Niners indeed russia yep.

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Top 10 Shocking Stats from 2018 + Trade Targets

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Top 10 Shocking Stats from 2018 + Trade Targets

"Hey foot clan. The ultimate draft for twenty nineteen is back and better than ever. You can pre-order it right now at the lowest possible price and this year, we're bringing to you everything that you loved from the last ultimate draft, which means premium position rankings top two hundred player profile video sleepers breakouts. Busts and so much more. But we're also bringing you custom scoring a custom ultimate draft kit app and much more. And if you order before March, I you can be entered to win to customize jerseys from fancy champs dot com studio tour and a coveted listener league spot. Plus, we'll give you ten dollars to shop bothers dot com. You can preorder the twenty nineteen alternate draft kit right now at Alta draft kit dot com. This is Melvyn Gordon from the Los Angeles chargers and you listening to fantasy footballers podcast. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Welcome in. Another wonderful day. Mike in the neighborhood. You got the hat on. You've noticed. Yeah. You've noticed how week is back this the thrilling conclusion. Jason is here. No, hats, no hair to cover. Yeah. Some people say need hats because I've got no air you didn't like a hat month. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Our listeners may or may not know about Jason. The the hair. Yes, everyone knows that systems are failing. Jason in a hat is truly a sight to behold. It's I don't know how certain people just aren't hat. Yeah. I get it. But hasten, he's not a happy. And the this is not meant to be an insult because it's just you put a hat on him. It's just a fan. You look you look like a strange persons, and it doesn't matter the type the type of hat. It's just all hats, it give me that crisp Bill. Various, you know, what he has? He's a fat back. He's a fedora guy. Oh, no. Not yet. Try aura. Oh, that's probably it. That's what you've been missing. Maybe Ayler we top hat. You're a top hat kind of guy. We did a little analysis on our Super Bowl party. Oh, 'cause I don't remember who had the hat on. But we realized that Mike his head is so large. It's mine that you on the on the hats that aren't fitted. You're on like the last. Hip not the last. I got close. I think I got four dots. And I'm like does to my that. I can level up. I'm okay. The other side. I'm like, you gotta turn that thing into a baby hat. Yeah. You gotta pull it as tight as possible. So you have a small head. Maybe that has something to do with it. Yeah. Very important stuff here on the fantasy football s for Thursday, February seventh and this this show is going to be the hot fire. It's going to be great. We have the top ten shocking stamps from last year. Not only are we revealing these on the show today. Courtesy of a number of people bringing some really good research to the table, including the Borgen Kyle our editor and she found the stance. And we're gonna talk through the implications of these stats from this past year on your fantasy team and the way that fantasy football is trending and the way that game play on the field is trending and what it means for your fantasy drafts coming up in two thousand nineteen so. A reminder as always follow us on Twitter at the F F ballers on Instagram Instagram dot com slash fantasy footballers you. Okay. There j I am doing grin wanna duck away from the mic will that was right in light into the Mike. But not working. No, no. Did you think you had pushed them you? But yes, I have this right out. Yeah. No that that's definitely working you work that time. Okay. So you win some you lose did not look like you pushed it. You guys hear that? We apologize clan. It's my family. It's great because he didn't realize anything can happen. Get headphones on he could totally. The call. Of course. I would hear it. But yeah, come to think of it. It was rather loud. Okay. Don't forget. You can also find an apple podcast subscriber view over there in free on Stitcher premium. We do have a giveaway going on on the website for claimed giveaway dot com. Signed Todd Gurley jersey you can enter for free. Brought to you by pristine auction over there at Fook link avoid dot com. And without further ado, let's get to the news. News and notes from around the league presented vice sleeper. We'll we'll jump through the news. And then see how much time we got left. I have a quick question idea for us to. But Nick foles Mike you talked about this two days ago. He bought out his twenty million dollar option for two million dollars. Wouldn't you love to be in the position life where you're like, I'm gonna pay you two million dollars to not pay me twenty million dollars because he's going to get paid a whole lot more than twenty million dollars. He is now a free agent. He'll be now the eagles could still this is where it's interesting. The eagles could still franchise tag him. I don't believe they will. None of the indications that I've seen indicate that they will. So I expect it falls to just be on the market and pretty much the best quarterback available in free agency. Yeah. You probably gonna have Ryan tannehill out there in free agency. You're going to have Joe flacco available. You'll have to trade for flacco, sir, sir. But why wouldn't that be a bargain to do? So. Depending on what you pay it. Terms of your yearly impact is going to be higher on a guy like Nick foles. And then Joe flacco. Yeah. But it depends on how much you like winning. Why was he say who would you rather have Nick foles Joe flacco, Nick foles? I would rather have flacco. Yeah. I I would much rather have Nick foles, but I would interest much rather have neither? You'd go with no quarterback. I would go with any. I mean, I I don't think either of them are the answers to a franchise at this point in their careers. All right rent Rams coach Sean McVeigh said Todd Gurley does not require season surgery. How I know. This was getting a lot of play because this was a news. Blurb good news Todd Gurley doesn't need off season surgery for the injury that they insisted he doesn't have. Like how how is talk. How were they when they're talking about him not having surgery? Well, it was born when you've been insisting for a month that he's not hurt that is kind of interesting, right? It's like answering the question shouldn't exist. Exactly. They cannot. I mean, quite a predicament. I know a lot of people are saying, oh, it's gonna come out that he was injured. He's dealing with stuff. All the time. I'm thinking they literally can't even if he is they can't because he wasn't on the injury report for several weeks. So becomes out that he was injured. They'll be in trouble for that. But based on this news. Our new section is now going to be two three hours long because I'm going to start like saquon Barkley not having surgery. Oh, that's great news for any injuries. He has or has not sustained Andrew Lux throwing shoulder is not a re injured either. There was a lot of worry. Maybe he would re-injure that this season has not had it's good to hear Greg Olsen. This was news today confirms that he wants to play in twenty nineteen. Because because lighting through foot injury is his jam. Also, I believe that Jason Witten has sabotaged Greg Olson's chance to get into the booth immediately. Now, I mean Olsen should be back. So he'll be relevant. If he's on the field. He always is. But if he's not on the field less relevant falcons have released kicker Matt Bryant forty three year old mount Bryan dealt with injuries over the back half of the year. Moving another direction. It's one's a little while to me. I understand the injuries. But when he's on the field map, Brian is still one of the best kickers in the league. And as we have seen plenty of times this season. If you don't invest in your kicker position at the NFL, we're not talking about fantasy talking about having an actual good kicker on your team that bites you in the but more often than not fair enough. And then I don't know how much you wanna talk about this. But I might as well mention it. Yeah. Antonio Brown's lawyer is refuting that his client was involved in a domestic dispute last month. This was a TMZ sports report that he was involved in a domestic dispute and not arrested. Okay. You don't. I mean, we're no nothing. There's no information we're passing that on. Yeah. And then in rampant port talking about the raiders situation. Mike do you want to sum up what's going on? So Oakland, San Francisco California Oakland is looking for a place to play while the wait for the stadium in Vegas to be built. It was being reported that it was the deal was done. They were gonna go play in the giants in the San Francisco Giants stadium. The San Francisco mayor is not having any of that business. You're not bringing your football franchise down into forty nine or territory. So not even if they wear forty-nine jerseys while they do it. They don't even worse. Don't you diminish our products? So we'll see we'll see where Oakland gets to play. This is a mess. Yeah. Yeah. That would just take the year off just like pass twenty nineteen. We'll just we'll pass that was today's news and notes here on this show. If you hate ads on your fantasy app, you know, what sleeper does to you can download the best fantasy app on IOS and Android right now get sleeper. Here was the quick question that I so. Unkindly ignored at the top of the show who's the player that you are targeting in trades in dynasty leagues this off season. And why is there a name out there right now that you're you want our listeners to pay attention to somebody may be below the radar that could have higher value later on this offseason. Yeah. I I like targeting in this time of year really really cheap free options that their situations could improve to me, I really like John Brown. He's only twenty eight years old. He had a great sees. If you remember Tartu remember because the Lamar Jackson ravens barely used wide receivers. You know, right. Certainly not enough for anyone to be relevant for fantasy. But John Brown was great the beginning of the year. He was scoring. He was putting a big yardage. He was playing. Well, having great separation. He is now a free agent. So let me tell you some of the best free agents in this year's pool. Randall Cobb Neil, and Dante Moncrieff, and we're gonna use hers, Adam Humphreys, I really am. Really, Tyrone Williams. But my point is there's not like there's not like three or four big name tier one wide receivers where there's teams every year that need to spend and bring in another guy. John Brown will get paid. He will go somewhere to be the number two for that team at least, and he's gonna cost you absolutely nothing. No, no dynasty on right now is thinking like, oh, I gotta hold onto John Brown. That's probably true. Because I think there are you know, there's the question marks of where he lands and quarterback he has and whether I'll have a big role. They were you know, this was the same situation for John Brown last year and worked out where he found some place that he could become one of the go to guys for Joe flacco. I'm gonna feel Robbie Anderson and Quincy noon wasn't aim out there both of them Sam darnold coming into your to Adam days. You know, Ryan Haenel had his best years under him gays. Obviously, you had volume in the kind of probably the noon wall would be most similar to what. Jarvis Landry did the offense. And so I would just say keep your eyes on those two players Anderson late in the season came on had a streak of four plus games of being a number one white out. So he may be more difficult to acquire. But Quincy and noon wall having been hurt halfway through the year. He's an interesting name. They resigned him to an extension so Quincy noon, while would be a potential John Brown likes nam, you expect that offense to be better next year with year two hundred Arnold like. Yeah. Generally, if I'm looking to acquire a player, I want them to be in a. A little bit more of a solidified situation. So like Quincy where I believe in Sam darnold, I believe in him long term, and I think I can get a cheap weapon, and the fact that Quincy just signed his new deal has a young quarterback. I think that's a very interesting guy to go after the name. I'm gonna throw out is also cheap. So might be a little bit gross. When you hear the name, but stay with me Zeh Jones. Now, having everything I just said about how I want to have a stable quarterback, you know, that Josh Allens at least there for few years. We'll see if he can become the guy that buffalo thinks that he can become but zave Jones over the final five games of the season. He was averaging eight point four targets game. He scored five touchdowns in that time. I mean, he was emerging as a as the go-to guy. I mean robber foster was having those big exciting plays. But Josh Allen is going to need someone who is reliable and Zeh Jones young. They spent draft capital to get him. If you're recalls Jones was the second round pick. He had like that. We're off season thing. So so I believe moving forward. Zeh Jones is going to be a very interesting player for redraft. He's going to be a interesting late round flyer. And right right now, you can get him for probably pretty cheap. Oh, certainly I mean, people don't believe in zeta-jones because he had such historic bad, you know, percentage so far while he's been in the league. But if you remember his college production athletic profile, the draft capital spent he's coming into your three this. I actually liked Zeh Jones as a target. There's somebody that's going to catch the ball there. And I think as Amazon's he's under contract for one more season at a cheap price. He's somebody that I saw hit waiver wires in dynasty leaks. So he could be a free ad versus a trade target as well. Yeah. Those are some good names. Those are some good names. We ready to. Jumping Oxfam people. Yeah. Let's do it. How'd you do that? Actually, I'm not even mad. That's amazing. That's pretty good. I didn't remember what that one. Was there? You have it. All right. Ten shocking stats from two thousand eighteen and some questions for you gentlemen, as it pertains to them. All right, number one, titled QB, boom boomers, all right? All right in two thousand seventeen we saw only set. So this is two years ago. Seventeen total quarterback performances of thirty plus fantasy points and this is in four point leagues from weeks one through sixteen. In two thousand eighteen last year. We got that total in four weeks and saw thirty three weeks of thirty plus fantasy points nearly double the year prior. And so we saw some boom boom games from the quarterback position. Is this the new normal is this what you expect with the? You know, the return of Andrew luck and the ascendant MVP talents of Pat Mahomes, or do you expect it to be somewhere more in between the two thousand seventeen and twenty eight numbers? I would expect it to be inbetween. But if it's closer to any of them, it's the one we just got two thousand seventeen that's why we were talking about last off season of it was this weird year for not only for quarterbacks going but for wide receivers scoring cliff. There's a correlation if wide receiver scorings down generally the quarterback scoring is going to be down as well. With it in in this NFL where the rules are for the offense. It was so shocking to see what happened in twenty seventeen. I think this was a a swing a little bit too far. But you're right. Andy, Patrick, Mahomes himself is homes is going to skew this number just by himself. I I actually I think it'll stay. I think I think we'll stay at this level. You have a transformative time in head coaching hires. The attention to the Sean McVay success transition to some of these kind of manufactured offenses that have a lot of moving parts and are bending the offensive direction. So I think we're going to end up with thirty. You know, thirty plus performance, you we're getting more and more college systems. Yeah. Coming into the NFL, which you go back. I mean, even ten years ago aside from chip Kelly, but the thought of the NFL actually embracing what they're doing and call is they were they tilted their noses up. Oh at the possibility of the college system working in the end. We don't do what those loser. Yeah. The thing is if you look over a long period of time the trajectory for scoring an NFL continues to rise. But it's a jagged. You know, it's not just a straight angle because defenses catch up, and I so I'm less optimistic that it'll just repeat what happened this year because I don't think Pat Mahomes throws another fifty touchdowns next year. I think some of these things come back to earth, but two years ago was more than last year. I do agree with that. All right. The number two surprising shocking. Names. Funny. RB's matter. Yeah. The Chicago Bears and the Los Angeles chargers. Both had two running backs finished in the top twenty four right? Meanwhile, six teams didn't even have one running back finish in the top thirty including the jets, the lions the raiders the bills the eagles and the ravens. Of those teams that did not have a running back in the top thirty that. I just named. Ooh. Who are you most interested in for twenty nineteen? So you had the chargers, right? They had to the bears had to but. I think this is the if you look at the list of the teams that easy it it was it's easy for you of the teams that didn't have a back in the top thirty. Who are you most interested in why it's fine? Yeah. It's very easy. Okay. This carry on Johnson darn right? Is this the Detroit Lions, but the other names on the list? I just wanted to get that out of the way that I feel like that's the easy answer. But meanwhile, the eagles and the ravens they're both extremely interesting. Those are the two that jump out to me as offenses that. I'd want the running back piece for assuming it's established. That's the problem side of giant commend both of them. Right. I don't know. I don't know if we'll see in the stab worst one a guy for either of those t- neither teams seems to desire that they want. You know, the secondary guys involved. They wanted Darren sproles they wanna buck and they wanna Kenneth Dixon behind a bruising backbeat. But if you look at all these teams, yes, none of them finished with the top thirty. Every single one was due to injury. You know, you lost data. You lost kerryon Johnson. You lost Leshan McCoy at at times. And so next year which team of my interested in it's probably going to be. I mean, obviously carry on love him. But I'm going to throw the jets out there because they're going to make a splash of free agency. You know, I think they're one of the front runners for love belt. So it belt goes there. I'll be interested. All right, number three. This one's titled big wide receiver honchos going Hon. Do. Wow. That's what they I just left these titles in here. I like it. It's exactly what they did that got Honda in twenty. Here's the stat. And you Mike you can decide after you hear the staff in two thousand seventeen two years ago there were one hundred fourteen single week wide receiver performances of one hundred. Plus, we call those yards Missouri Honda hundred and fourteen hundred that's going Hon do j. Yeah. In twenty. Eighteen last season. There were one hundred and seventy two all we're going. That's three additional one hundred yard wide receiver games per week. Where you going Hon? Do I'm going Hon dough so you had in two thousand seventeen only three white outs that had five or more games of one hundred plus receiving yards. I was Keenan Allen Antonio Brown. Andre Hopkins last year, you had eleven wide receivers not three but eleven with five or more hundred yard games, Julio feeling Evans. Smith Schuster, Hopkins hill, atoms Beckham, Brown, cooks and T Y Hilton. And it's hard. I think to take the question is, okay. We had eleven let's say it's not going to be eleven. Let's say next year. There's going to be seven guys who out of that list that you just read. Yeah. Would not repeat because when I look at the list of Julio feeling Mike garden is hard to count anybody out. It really really is. I mean, you could argue doodoo Smith Schuster Antonio Brown. But he has huge monster games. You know, the the hundred Mark is something that that. I think he'll he'll often. I if I had to pick like, which we do this is the question out of those eleven names, let's say we try to pick two names that will that will that won't do it. And for me, it would be just playing the odds Brandin cooks, and I'm gonna throw Mike Evans because I think Mike Evans can have a huge impact on the field without one hundred yard games. But yes, those are the names I'd throw out there. I think you're. You know, I guess you guys could go Hilton. But Hilton is just a a magnet for one hundred guard games. I would go Adam feeling and Brandin cooks. Okay. Yeah. Feeling Hilton and cooks are the three guys that I think would have the most difficult time repeating what it's worth though, feeling had nine of them. Right. Yeah. Here not in that. When he started only had five when he started the year. I mean every single you know, every single game was one hundred yard performance. He broke the NFL record for that. So obviously great year, you know, not taking anything away from him there. But it was eight eight straits to start the season. So if you do the math that means the second half of the season, he only had one. Yeah. So that's why I lean out of now with the system change. That's a good point Hilton had five and he missed some time and wasn't healthy. So that's I think he's a long as Andrew luck. Is there? Yeah. He's good absolutely yards. 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Which could have been the name of the of the shocking stat in terms of scoring for tight ends. There were three tight ends who registered top fifteen all time season. So you had three all-time seasons. At the tight end position. Travis Kelsey fourth-best ever Zakar sixth best ever George kill was fourteenth. Best ever. We hadn't seen a tight end with a top thirty all-time in the last two years. So can any of these guys and we just had the tide intrude show on Tuesday. Right. Can Kelsey Erz or Kim can any of those big three tight ends improve on this year's other-worldly numbers. Because and I brought this up on the last show. This is not the same NFL. These it can be a little bit of a distortion to throw the best all time out there for certain players and certain stats. Because I think literally last year Kelsey broke the receiving yards record. And then kill broke it in the same end. Yep. Like, our leader that being said, can you improve on it? That's that's a different e. E e- very via tough ask for Travis Kelsey to improve. But yeah, considering he he didn't play week. He took the final week off. So theoretically, yes, he can improve. If anyone is going to improve though it would be kindle because the yardage will be there. Maybe not thirteen hundred yard. Maybe not the most of all time. Yeah. Maybe not that. But five touch sense, George Kibble can certainly improve on that area where he saw his cohorts. Kelsey was at ten Erz was at eight so eighty eight receptions, it could be up at one hundred in a PR league Dak ago. Yeah. He certainly could. And he's got an improving quarterback situations. He's almost he's like a hybrid of Kelsey and Erz, and he's also likely the cheapest. He will. Yes. So he has your saying is higher upside. And he's the cheapest the Lisa stab because Kelsey entrance have done it for multiple choosing. Is upside his ceiling can improve. I still would not say his upside is greater than Kelsey though. Okay. Are there any other tight ends that could jump into that elite to your next year? Ooh. That top three. That's I mean breslin. That's the question that wins championships. You know, if you can get the guy before the jumping, you know, dente kale. Yeah. Exactly spending this year Erz two years ago, when you hopped on those guys you won the first name that comes to mind for me is OJ Howard. You know, he was he was dominating when he played he missed a lot of the season. But he is a different. I mean when you look at the tight ends usually take take Erz out irks, just he's just an incredible talent that that you didn't really see coming. But you look at Kittle and and. Elsie, and they are physically like combine wonders these are guys that are bigger stronger and faster than all the other titans. And that's why they dominate. That's what OJ Howard is. He is a physical freak even among all the freaks of the NFL people need to realize the one thing that hurts and Kelsey have in common was people sitting on their microphone for multiple years. Trying to project them as being elite. I mean, it took Erz two years. Yeah. Two full seasons of disappointing fantasy owners four touchdowns three touchdowns under five hundred yards seven hundred dollars fifty eight receptions, before he had these big time years, and it took Kelsey awhile to member we were just waiting. You know, Kelsey got hurt. And then we're waiting for him to Zeus out. But so it could take some time Howard. It could you're right Howard. At least is in the category of could. But you could. Another year. It could be two more years. A six six ran a four five Hebron's not gonna do it Burton's not gonna do it in joke. Who like you brought up probably not going to do it. Hunter Henry probably not gonna do it. But at least you lease in health there. He's interesting. But no, I don't think there's somebody that just jumps out his. Yeah. It's going to happen next season for me. Agreed. I agree. Our number five this one is titled put the team on my back trick Mahomes another. Oh, good another bad one. That's that's two in a row. Look Kyle can find these stats Barrett. Tricked Mahomes trick Mahomes. No, not good the drum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kyle. He is not immune from the same of the rim. Shot. Now stats are hot titles are not the Kansas City. Chiefs running back group. This is what this means apparently the Kansas City Chiefs running back group. So this was a hunt for awhile and then the Williams brothers. They combined for twelve receiving touchdowns on the year that is as many as eleven NFL teams had combined at that position. So if you took the Vikings Texans Broncos bucks Seahawks titans. Packers lions Bengals raiders and bills. They're receiving touchdowns at the running back position. You put them all together. They're the same. They're the. So if the backfield is the Damian Williams experience next season, how many total touchdowns do you? See what is the high end ceiling projection for Damian Williams? I was going to go the other way, I was going to say what's his basement if he's the guy what's his floor his floor like what the worst you're going to get out of him. If it's his backfield. And that would be ten total touchdowns to me. That's the worst case scenario if it's his backfield. Well, I mean, the nation of on the ground and through the air, you're going to get ten there's there's too many touchdowns going around and Kansas City to not have a true single guy. Who's running the backfield have ten I agree with that. I now I think has Florida's much lower. Because I don't think he's going to be the guy. Certainly not by himself. But as far as sealing usually when you look at a running back and they're receiving touchdowns. A really good high numbers like six, that's that's yes, that's a lot. And so the fact that they had twelve receiving touchdowns total. This is part and parcel of my belief that Patrick Mahomes is not going to throw. You know? Let's say next year. Patrick mahomes. Throws forty touchdowns one. That's awesome. That is great. That's probably leading the league or or close to it your first or second. But it's also ten fewer touchdowns then he threw this season. And a lot of those. I think will come at the expense of the running back position. Just by the nature of what usually happens around the Golan. Now, I know you and the patriots have very interesting, you know, history right now with your bold prediction. But did, you know this did, you know, the Damian Williams? For he re-signed with Miami in two thousand seventeen he visited New England. And so Bella check was recruiting Damien was and he said, quote, I mean, and this is in the face of some things you've been saying about him quote. He's a good football player. Smart versatile. Can do a lot of things can run the ball. Can catch the ball can pass protect. We had a good visit with him. He was a good guy to bring in. Visit and get to know. He's not surprised is what I'm saying. Bill Belichick is not some Ryan. I mean, look they gave him mess coach and history. They gave him that offer. For a reason. You know, the the patriots said I offer nothing to you. Because they offer everybody. Look, he's an individual running back that was available. It's like, hey, why don't you stop in over here? We'll we'll take a look. Well, all right. We'll see I just I just wanted to how deep your head was in the in the Damien Williams sand. I wanted a little check this is still in your ears. It's veto thirty veep. Kareem hunt had seven receive. Ving touchdowns in eleven weeks. I agree with Jason that. If if a touchdown regression comes to Patrick Mahomes. That's the biggest place where it's going to happen. But. This is what they did. This was a game plan for the chiefs offense. When the got close to the goal line was the old the old shovel pass or the old tat pass made just counting as double for us. It was the it was kind of interesting to watch cream hunts beginning of the season right where we were concerned. I the running back -sition the first three weeks he had three targets total. Death in. But I mean, you also that are Travis Kelsey week one. I mean, the hose was getting used to the NFL got used to it. And and he certainly did that pretty quick. All right. Number six. It's a QB's world. And we just live in it. All right in two thousand seventeen there were six quarterbacks to complete sixty five percent or more of their passes. The stats crazy in two thousand eighteen there were twenty that completed sixty five percent or more of their passes. So the question is with completion rates higher than they've ever been. How does this affect fantasy and the importance of valuing the quarterback, and we ended in the qualifier for that. Was you had to play at least eight games yet? Oh, so this is not just in guy coming in for one game plan half in in relief. He was one on basically Jared Goff was right at the sixty five percent Mark and finished twentieth. In the statistic. Yeah. Yeah. I AM News going. I got. Okay. I'm doing with that sixty eight percent this. Yeah. Former Cam Newton his career high. Yeah. I mean this year, you saw something happened in the NFL as you know, as Andy said like chasing, the McVay style the playing into the new rules, and and the short passing involving Moore running backs and passing the total of if you take the average of all the starting quarterbacks and you look at their quarterback rating this year their average average was over ninety. That's insane. That's above like the career average of of a ton of hall of Famer. So yeah, I mean will this continue? I think it will this is where you know, where everything's going. But does does it change the value of quarterbacks and fantasy? No, not at all. Because they're all there yet. It's if it changes it for, you know, two guys, and nobody. Else's catching on then. Yeah. At that point, it might change how you wait those two guys, but everyone is catching on why Cam Newton's throw them for sixty eight percent Camnews throwing for sixty percent and put a poor fantasy performance relative to previous years when he had a lower completion percentage. Just all of the year. Yeah. I'm just saying it's not this one statistic, especially when spread out across twenty quarterback. It's just a rising water level in that one area for the quarterback position. But like you said doesn't affect. Yeah. Fantasy number five. Was was dare car on the season. He was. Yeah. He was he actually. Yeah. All right. Number seven of Artie renamed its target time. Oh, you renamed it. Yeah. Yeah. He's made no sense. There was this one. I like this. There were ten thousand nine hundred ninety five rushing attempts by running backs in two thousand eighteen okay. On average, a running back rushing attempt attempt yielded. Point six to seven fantasy points little more than half a point every time a running back. Gotta carry the exactly in a half point league. A running back. Target was worth almost double. So just a target to the running back was worth on average one point one seven fantasy points per target. Double basically, double the value not getting the ball handed to you. But just having even catching it, and I didn't catch us having it thrown your way and in a full fee PR as where two and a half times. Okay. So this is illustrating the value of a pass catching running back and so guys like Austin Accola, right? Last year. We just talked about the chargers having two running backs in that top twenty four Austin Ecuador theoretic name Hines. The Chris Thompson Thomson names white Kenyan Drake. Maybe Jalen Samuels for a part of the year knowing that Val. Knowing how much more valuable the target is are the running backs that we need to look at differently for twenty nineteen. How do you make the mental adjustment on a guy like James white who through many metric show him as the most people draft pick fantasy football this year relative to draft costs and he's a pass catching running back. Yes. It's kind of a trick question. Right. Because if you're saying how to so how do we change with this data? Then I would say not at all. Because this isn't surprising, right? We stat guys out in the ultimate draft kit for the last several years, and we give all of the value. All you know, we we know how much more valuable receptions are than carries. And so when you look at our rankings, they we have that built in. In fact, this crazy stat of you know, the fact that it was one point five six points per target in a full PR that was actually down from the year prior. You know? So I think that this is important if you don't realize how critical if you're out there in your new to fantasy or you're picking this up in the off season you wanted to get a head start. If you don't realize how critical pass catching is to a running back in Vanisi that's going to change everything for you. Here's the message to me. It's that we don't need to wait as long to buy into a pass catching running back only weapon that makes sense. Yeah. Where sometimes we've wanted to see more consistent snap counts or carry counts or rotation involvement. The value of a guy like us Necker. You could if you had made the decision to buy into some of that early. You probably would have gotten some nice weeks out of that. Right. So that's the message to me is that at any moment. One of these guys can turn it on as that type of player. Yeah. You're Duke Johnson's. Okay. I again, I don't know what this title means. Number eight day of the dumpster Mighty Morphin into wide receiver once now that is actually the title of the first ever Power Rangers episode is it. Yes. Which I why? So this is a deep one. Yes. This one's digging deep. We we will. This is Mike level stuff. Yeah. I approve. All right. There were twelve wideouts. That were drafted outside of the top forty according to average position the head stretches of at least four games so a whole month as a wide receiver one and half point leaks. So there were guys drafted deep deep deep twelve of them. Outside the top forty the had at least four games stretches where they were a wide receiver one. These guys are Robbie Anderson. Okay. He had a four weeks, man. Mike Williams, Calvin Ridley DJ more Kenny golladay Tyler Lockett to Sean Jackson, tyrel Williams, free agent. Albert Wilson Dante Pettis Adam Humphreys in Tyler Boyd all of those receivers were outside the top forty and draft position. All of those receivers had for week spans of being a wide receiver one at least four weeks. I mean in the case of some take Tyler boy, it was pretty much all season from week to through fifteen. He was a wide receiver one. So, you know, is there a name or two that jumps out from that list that you either played a lot in your roster that that you can answer the question. Do they feel like a wide receiver one to you? And are there some of these guys that you project forward both in draft position? But also in value that you think will be there next year. Yeah. The guy that I would talk about would be Dante Pettis. You know, I wouldn't. I don't think I win our dynasty league championship. If it wasn't for Pettus. I started him through that entire stretch. And it was it was it was good time to have your double flex scoring as a wide receiver one. I think he's got the opportunity to step it. It's not. It's not guaranteed that he's going to be the wide receiver one. Right. But there is an opportunity that he is garoppolos wide receiver one. I loved him coming out. He has a lot of film from college of just beating guys and open field. And then that translated and he did it in the NFL. So if you wanna take a guy and say, okay, who could who could really continue the trend and look when he did it. You know, it was it was the end of the year was weeks twelve through fifteen then he got injured at the very end he came into his own. So he's the guy that I will project going forward significantly higher than obviously where he was last way. He's interesting this. He doesn't get close to me. On wide receiver one potential the way that Kenny golladay does. And the way that I would look at probably Mike Williams. I think Mike Williams and kindergarten. I think have a higher potential of being a wide receiver one in fantasy than Dante Pettis. But he is on the interesting list. No doubt. Mike, do you have a name or two or do you agree or disagree on those guys? I agreed with with the thought process that Kenny both kindergarten and Mike Williams feel like wide receiver once far more than Dante Pettis. I mean, it's a and that's just the natural. Inclination. As of stature when pedestals a smaller guy. Kenny golladay and Mike Williams are both prototypical wiser slip through their big wide receivers. But both of those guys have alpha level players on their team. I mean, Mike Williams has Keenan Allen Kenny golladay has Marvin Jones Dante Pettis doesn't have that. Every PR Garzon is going to be back. We know that he will be back just contractually. I don't know if he'll be on the field very much, but he's going to be on the team, and I will take Pettus over our song. It'd be talking about Markey's good. When a lot more than I'd be talking. And then that was he was an exit one he was paid to come in in play a heavy role. Right. But then Kim they count George Kittle. Yeah. But well hunter Henry for Mike Williams. I mean, the by my point was simply that pet is of he doesn't feel like the one but his path to being the m-. Main guy on his team, and they could be a very surprising offense. Next year pet is is going to be a very sneaky pick. I would say that everybody on the list that that you read Andy Atlit outside of Sean Jackson and Albert Wilson. I really liked the entire list. I will target guys these guys in next year's draft because they showed in a stretch of games that they have the potential to significantly help my fantasy team. And and you know, I'll probably cut Adam Humphreys off that list. I'll really sad. Well, he's a free agent. Yeah. Product of you know, injuries at the tight emphasis again it, but he's you know, pronouncing Humphry you just want. I it definitely is. I actually think that our Wilson's intriguing at least. I mean, he he was paid to be a a strong part of this offense. It's coaches changing expensive situation changing quarterback. Yeah. I could he get a massive upgrade the quarterback. Position in Miami. It's at least inside the Roma possibilities now. All right. Number nine. J Grizz says stream your defenses. Wow. Yeah. Listen to the really. Yeah. The bears were the number one fantasy defense leading the league in defense and special teams touchdowns. That's why this is the name of this. This hot stead is born a mind right now. So they were number one fewest points allowed all of that being said about how dominating Chicago was the only beat the number two defense by two fantasy points per game. And the number seven through twelve defenses were only four points per game behind in fact over the last ten seasons only one overall number one fantasy defense went on to finish in the top five next year. So that's over the last ten years you only had one top five repeat the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen cardinals. I think the bears will do it. I think the bears will do it as well. I think the bears will still probably be overdrafted that I agree with that. Yeah. That that's a fact so. You know, we talk about every year. But it's streaming the defense's is streaming defense as the way to go. Yeah. It is. It is the way to go. You cannot invest high draft capital on a position that rarely repeats is in multiple years turnover. It's not just turnover at the it's really not even about the it's just about things like injury offense of performance the variable surrounding defense are there are so many of them if you lose one or two players on defense. If you MAC MRs does down for Chicago. Then the they'll still be fine. But your draft pick is is is definitely worth it. Yeah. And you've got you've got matchup problems. Whenever you've got a defense. Even your great defense. You know, are you going to start that defense against Kansas City and Pat Mahomes, or you know, that you've you probably would make a mistake to do that more often than not so streaming defenses meaning playing different defenses off the waiver wire and not committing to one. The whole time is you'll. You'll you'll you'll outscore oftentimes the number one scoring defense on the year because you're playing nothing but good matchups basically you're playing defenses, you know, against the bills every week or whoever. Pre Josh Allen die dominant. Yeah. Malian number ten this one's titled you get a touchdown. And you get a touchdown. Us down in two thousand seventeen hundred years. Touch that could be a touchdown. Under your chair in two thousand seventeen. There were seven hundred thirty eight quarterback passing touchdowns last year. There were eight hundred thirty four almost one hundred more passing touchdowns. Pat, Mahomes led the way with fifty Andrew luck thirty nine Matt Ryan thirty five Russell Wilson thirty five you had nine at thirty or above. So based on that statistic. If you believe that that number is a little high compared to what you'd expect if there's a surplus there who are some quarterbacks do for regression. I don't I don't believe that there is a surplus there. I think that the crazy gap is more indicative of twenty seventeen where you know, Mike brought up earlier how low it was now. Now, we talked earlier is it going to regress a little bit. Yeah. Probably and I would say the number one regret. Candidate. I would still put Pama homes are and that's to say he finishes number one in passing touchdowns. Just with ten fewer and still is is great. But you know, I look at most of the less would be number one with ten fewer like you said exactly if he had ten touchdowns he would rank one. So I think most of the guys on the list that through near thirty are going to repeat, and I see some guys that didn't who definitely could have. I mean think about Baker Mayfield the only through twenty seven touchdowns. He only played what fourteen games. I'd be concerned the one that jumps out to me is Russell Wilson. Because you saw the transition last year the way they ran the offense the way that he didn't run the ball is much. He only through for thirty four hundred yards. But he had an eight point two touchdown percentage. Which meant he threw thirty five touchdowns that's made that made his entire fantasy season. Yeah. Does. So I if you take you know, he threw her fifteen hundred fewer yards than Patrick Mahomes. So that would be the one that jumps out to me you could throw as potential regression Kirk cousins, he just barely got thirty at thirty. And you saw the change that Harrison when they change their offense coordinator, similar Russell Wilson. They want to shift away from the passing game be a more. You know? Slow the slow the game down wind the clock run the ball. And so around the goal line. He might have a few more opportunities that he had this last year that go away I would say fill breeders Philip rivers came through with a great year but much like Russell Wilson over performed his touchdown percentage was at six point three percents. And it's not that he can't throw thirty two touchdowns. I mean, he's he's done that before but his passing attempts came way down in the touchdowns still stayed up there. So I think it's if if those are the the attempts were going to see from rivers out expect them to be more in that twenty seven twenty eight. Yeah, I totally get that. And if those three guys all fall below thirty someone else will replace Baker Mayfield to Shawn Watson. Mat Rogers Cam new though, those guys should be at that thirty number in and they weren't this year. Yeah. I would expect Matthew Stafford to have a much better touchdown performance next season. He lost one of his. Weapons midway through the season. Golladay getting a stylish Marvin Jones was hurt as well. So he didn't have a lot of guys to throw two no kerryon Johnson. And so his touchdown percentage was way down. But I just see him getting back to thirty very easily. And you know, obviously wins and foles neither of them were in that category of thirty and above and assuming one gets to play the whole year that that should happen in Philadelphia as well. So that is it for the top ten shocking stats at twenty eighteen and some of their fantasy football implications. Any final thoughts from you, gentlemen. Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No, no. Neither of you put the mute, but oh woops way. Brooks. Did you hear that? Could you guys hear that my bed? All right. Head over to pristine auction dot com. Let another fantasy football since you. Today's pristine deal of the day. Not. 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