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The Kist & Solak Show #32: Zach Goodall of Locked On Jaguars

Bleeding Green Nation

27:50 min | 2 years ago

The Kist & Solak Show #32: Zach Goodall of Locked On Jaguars

"Hey, guys. This is John Stolnis from the good fight and the Phillies podcast hitting season man. The two thousand eighteen season was well. It was interesting and the upcoming off season looks to be even more interesting. So if you wanna stay up to date on all things Phillies this off season subscribed to the good fight podcast feed and get my podcast hitting season as well as continued success hosted by Justin clue and Liz Rozier and the dirty inning, which looks at the worst innings in Phillies history. Seriously, it's Larry us and you'll love it all on the good fight podcast feed. Michael kissed Benjamin so lag. It's the kissed and Solex show presented by SP nation and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on kissed. And so like show this is up thirty. Two brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host, Michael kissed you can follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. This isn't a real kissed and Solex show, but I didn't want to give it some porn name like behind enemy lines or some crap like that. What this is Ben won't be with me today will be on in the morning previewing the eagles defense against the Jaguars offense. But for right now, we have Zac Goodall from locked on Jaguars joining us. You can follow him on Twitter at Zach, underscore, good. All that's g. o. o. d. a. l. l. he covers the Jaguars and he is going to give us some insight on the Jacksonville. Jaguars give us a feel for their struggling offense. Their quarterback situation where Blake Bortles in Cody Kessler their defense, whether or not they're the same defense better for worse. So this is going to give us a good overview. Of what the Jaguars look like from someone that covers the team. I hope you enjoy and let's kick it over to that right now and joining me today from locked on Jaguars is my good friend, Zach, Goodall, Zach, how you doing brother? I was doing good when I saw the Jags might have been making a quarterback change, and then Monday came and shattered my dreams. So just about your average normal star to your week, how do you feel about scoring less than ten points in three games with the immortal? Blake, Bortles, see, that sounds horrible. But. But why? But what you really dive into it. You got three drives out of sixteen in the first half going for forty plus yards in the rest sticking about twenty or less. I don't even remember exactly how many were three and outs because I started to cry as I was putting those together that that tells you just about where it's at man. Yeah. So I mean, let's let's dive right into Zach. You guys are in a similar situation. You're off to a three and four start in a mediocre division. What's the feeling around this team right now? Because I'm just starting to really dig into the Jacksonville Jaguars team after having watched them a few times live in some all twenty two because they ended up playing like the titans or something like that, and I ran across their film. So if I say anything that's off base, please let me know. But Blake Bortles was benched for Cody Kessler last week. And I guess my question would be a, why would you have either of those quarterbacks on your roster and. And how can this team turn things around this year when that's the type of quarterback play that you're getting, especially when you're missing, you're starting left tackle, and you're only one play away from giving significant playing time to a guy like Eric flowers, air missing. You're starting left. Tackle your key reserve left tackle. You're plugging in a guy that's never taken a snap at left tackle is your third string. He's a converted right guard and you're to quarterback options are Blake Bortles in Cody Kessler. I mean, this is like Canadian league style football. At this point, I'd rather be watching that there might be better talent out there in all in all seriousness. When you look at this offense, they've devoted themselves to shadowing, Blake, Bortles deficiencies by power run game. Sometimes it's worked when Leonard net has proven that the theory of him being made of paper machine is correct things go haywire and they brought in Cody Kessler to replace Chad Henny as his backup as a younger alternative in. In most importantly, a scheme fit with what they wanted to do, what they're passing concepts, and I don't think they saw themselves ever needing to put him in after they willingly gave Blake Bortles a fifty, four million dollar extension. But it came to that point where they needed to, to quote unquote, put a spark in with this team because they just they, they, they're not necessarily blaming the quarterback because Dave Caldwell is devoted to making sure Blake Bortles takes his final snap in his prolonged career as a Jaguar. He wants him to retire here he's married to that guy is his quarterback. So I don't see major changes coming, but Cody Kessler when you look at him is he may not be great. You look at what he was scouted as coming out in. It's literally the west coast offense is like dream quarterback. Just not that great, but his strengths come in to what these Jaguars want to do in their passing game short to intermediate throws quick releases few mistake. So why didn't you call about tyrod Taylor instead of devoting? Not that Taylor's great either, but I'd take him over either of these quarterbacks in a heartbeat, so it least with Kessler if they put him in as he can do the basic things they wanna do, he's not going to move the needle and make the team playoff team whatsoever. But in terms of trying to build around a guy, that's not great in a vacuum. I would rather build around Cody Kessler in this style of offense than Blake Bortles. So the Jacksonville Jaguars offense is twenty nine in points per game. Thirtieth in red zone drives turned into touchdowns. Thirtieth in scoring drive frequency, but let's put it on the positive side. What does a typical scoring drive look like for this offense when they actually do move the ball down the field? What has to click what is the identity? The identity is like I said, made of paper machine. That being Leonard for net when he's on the field. And I know the common take these days is that running backs, truly do not matter like they used to in the game is a passing league in. It's a bad thing to take running back as high as they took four net as the giants took Barclay. I don't disagree whatsoever. I tried to take on the fact that they took four net as a well. I'm not in a front office and I can't change that type of move. Got accept it in, got at least try and see what they're gonna do and when he's on the field and they can run the ball effectively in this style of, you know, eat play clock, maybe not score a ton of points. Maybe not be exciting, but effectively move three to four yards at a time in just consistently convert with mixing in those west coast passing concepts to get teams a little off guard, maybe the occasional play action. Take the top off defense play. It would for the most part worked. That's what the offense actually, you know, there were times where it look. Pretty good last year overall, I wouldn't say it was great. I wouldn't say it was bad. I thought it was just average boring football that was somewhat efficient. When four net goes down with a nagging hamstring injury that will end up likely meaning he plays two of his first nine games to start the year. Hey, that really is telling about four net as a player in you really should have paid attention to those injury concerns coming out of college. But regardless they don't have that power running back on the field yet they're hoping Carlos Hyde who they traded for from the Cleveland Browns can provide that a little bit to take some pressure off of Bortles, but they can't bet on that at this point because you know, he is brand new to the system. He wasn't too great include when he did a decent job. He was getting out performed by a guy who had like three carries a game in Nick Chubb who is just who looked great, but so they're taking a bit of a risk on hide hoping that he can try and help this offense help. Blake Bortles. It's just. At this point when they've been missing that power running game, it's looked so bad. I can't imagine that Bortles confidence is anything but shot at this point. Taking that into consideration. TJ yelled is likely to see the bulk of the snaps I would imagine at the running back position, what is it that TJ Yeldan don't worry about the the negatives. He can't do this. Can't do that. What is he good at? Where does he win in his game as a player? I think he's really effective just when you get him the ball. So I'm really curious as to why heading into last week. He only had twenty four percent of the offense is touches. He was averaging five point six, seven, I think yards per touch, you get him the ball twice on a drive, and he's averaging a first down. Obviously there's more context to, but but I mean he was affected he. He's really improved his vision in his four years because he didn't start off to great as a pure runner, but he's a elusive, not your speedster type of allusive, but he can make people miss with certain double moves, even on. An injured ankle throughout the year. There were times where he missed two or three practices in a week played that game instill made moves where you could tell. He was putting a lot of pressure on that ankle made defenders miss in. I think that's become truly undervalued as to how well he's played in a stagnant offense. At this point. He can also be utilized as a receiver in the internet game, which is where the Jaguars do wanna target. He's up there as one of the most effective receivers on this team. So I think he's a two way threat at this point that is being undervalued by the team and immature, and that might lead to him being undervalued as a whole. When you look at him across the NFL in different types of running backs. But I actually believe he's been there most consistent playmaker when he's be given the chance this year, speaking of playmakers as you look at these wide receivers on the Jacksonville Jaguars I've been wholly unimpressed with the tape that I've seen on Dante Moncrieff who you brought in the offseason. I've been underwhelmed by the poor hands of Keelan coal. If you are the Jaguars coach. How are you trying to attack this defense in? Where would the big plays come from an who would they come from? As far as the targets that you have? Am I allowed to use a quick negative real quick on this? Yeah, sure. Dante Moncrieff was signed this off season as a consolation prize to them not being able to keep Allen Robinson around when they were really stubborn on what type of money they wanted to give him. The rumor is that Robinson was offered a similar deal here in Jacksonville to what he was given in Chicago, but it was more incentive driven in not nearly as guaranteed, and that's alternately what led to him walking. So in a panic move, they extend marquees Lee who's nothing more than a possession. Receiver who's been hurt every year of his career Dante Moncrieff who had potential coming out of school. There is a lot to like about his combine stats, but likely has been hurt every year and he does not separate well, yet they're force feeding him targets. He leads. The team in targets. He's the primary read on so many plays because Blake Bortles doesn't really look past his first. Maybe second read. He doesn't make a ton of progressions. They try and simplify things in return. Moncrieff getting force fed targets that he shouldn't be getting because he just doesn't do it while you pointed out in how lazy some of his route running is Dede Westbrook is this the team's best receiver right now that's something that I didn't really make. It was kinda hot take you to start the year because people thought it would be keeling coal, but I was kind of on the in terms of what this offense wants to do in attack in the eighth game. I think that Westbrook ultimately will be the team's number one receiver. He may not be their most talented or most electrifying, but I think in terms of volume in what he can do in this offense, we'll make him that. And he's been just that he wins on the eighth routes he averages. I think from next gen stats like four yards of separation per route, a lot of that is schemed with, you know, they run a lot of crossers so when teams are playing zone, it can. Jack underneath the linebackers. He's fast enough to get a lot of yards after the catch as so long as you know, he's given at least a decently thrown ball where he's led a little bit, and you saw more of that from Kessler than you've seen with Bortles, but Bortles will occasionally hit him on that. I think that's the biggest emphasis is if the eagles are running a lot of their cover three zone, you try and attack the engineer where there's own stats, their stats in coverage for the linebackers are inflated by when the running zone. You have Dede Westbrook doing that with keeling coal. He, he really does have the speed to take the top off of defenses in via deep threat in. They're trying to mold him into an all around guy, and I don't. I don't care what you can do if you're not able to catch the football, there was the play against New England. Everyone saw the incredible one handicap. And then he does a sit route in the middle of the field on like third in five, targeted six yards down the field turned around staring right at the quarterback, and you know that wind up is taking forever. So we had a good eye on. On how long that ball was gonna take until it got him plop drops right out of his hands, and it happened several times during the game, so you can make all the electrifying plays. You want. If you can't get down to the basics of catching the ball, I don't know what to tell you and the last part and I won't go too long with this because I know I like to rant a DJ chart deserves Dante Moncrieff snaps, one hundred percent. They're trying to do things with Moncrieff that shark has actually shown in glimpses this year that he's actually capable of pulling off winning contested catches potentially being a red zone threat. If you can get into the red zone and he separates well, he's gotten a lot better at sinking. His hips into routes than he was at LSU. I think we saw a couple of those past week against Houston money. Got, I think he had two catches a three catches and he was separating really well. I think he deserves a lot more snaps in. I think if you give him that time may be used him. If the passing game is working on the niece, maybe even give DJ Charca deep ball on a play action pass just to catch the eagles off guard. If you're. Able to do that if you're in the situation to do so. Now, look in the offseason one of my dark horses guys that I thought might sneak into the first round and even go to the Jaguars in the first round was in fact DJ chart because six, three one ninety nine and he runs a four, three or four. Those guys rolling trees. You know what I mean? Any jumped out the gym too, so he's definitely got that the ball ability and I remember seeing him in mobile in the practices and dude was a competitor. He was making plays on special teams in the game, and he was fired up and I really liked what I saw from his game. So I would I would agree getting DD involved more than the underneath game getting DJ charge as a bit of a field stretcher would be good for this offense. Part of hitting the deep ball is of course protecting the quarterback. You've already alluded to some of the issues on the offensive line when it comes to death in what they're dealing with. Ather tackle position. Cam Robinson is out for the year. The former first round pick from Alabama's. Second round picks early second round, pick excuse me early second. Yeah. What are the. That they're having? Can they block up this eagles front, four, Josh Walker, can't. Tackle. Yeah, yeah. And to make matters worse, let's say he gets hurt or they try and do a spark move like they did with Kessler quarterback except it left tackle their alternative option right now is no one else than a guy that the eagles are certainly familiar with playing him twice a year for the past three or four years. Eric flowers signed after he was released a couple of weeks ago by the New York Giants. I, it's kind of, I guess the best way to put it is exotic. But the team is alluded to this in the past. They're confident in their really athletic center. One of the better centers in not interior offense Wyman in my opinion, across the NFL in Brandon Linder to the point where they think he can play center. He can play both guard positions and they have even worked Tim in at left tackle and have said they're confident enough to play him there. Wow. I mean last year when Linder went out as well as Patrico mama, who's now a guard for the New York Giants, and he's terrible. They had a guy named Tyler Chatelet who they've developed since two thousand fourteen is an interior offensive lineman come in in. And I think a four game stretch in pass protection allowed seven pressures. I think that he's a serviceable guy. You can put in a pinch to play at centre or across the interior offensive line. So let's get weird mad. Let's put litter at left tackle in Chatelet center. And honestly, that's I guarantee that that's going to yield better results than a guy who converted from right guard never played. The position of left apple in his life in in two and a half games is allowed eighteen pressures according to the f. f. o. Lord guy full you. The eagles are going to have themselves a very fun day attacking on the left side. I promise you. So you convinced me there a flip of flipping it to the defensive side of the ball or the Jaguars are actually hashed good. Zach, would I be wrong? And I probably would be in saying that this isn't the same buzzsaw shutdown defense. We saw last year or is it more product of the situations that they're put in by the offense? Because from what I'm looking at their tied for the fifth worst in starting field position for defenses due to offense. And I guess some special teams play a role in that too. They do allow a higher number of scoring drives than I would imagine, but they're mostly field goals in their allowing the second most frequency of drives to go for field goals. But conversely, they're allowing the second least amount of drives that go for touchdowns and again, all this is under the umbrella of frequency. So Zach limited, let me restate the question. Two thousand seventeen defense for two thousand eighteen defense. Is there much of a difference? And if so, why? I think there is and I think the way you originally worded the question that is this a product of them maybe not doing as well or the offense, putting him in bad situations. I think both are correct. And this this defense, I would argue just when you look at them on paper is as talented. They were last year. And I mean, obviously they should be because they were. They have like God knows how many pro bowlers and ten of the eleven starters returned. And the one started of the didn't technically to airing Kovin who was the nickel corner signed with Houston and the strong side linebacker Papas lessening retired. So I guess you count to starters in a way, I would say Paul puzzles knee is retiring as an upgrade. I o rock now, one hundred percent agree, and I think Leon Jacobs has done a great job at Sam linebacker in DJ aide in when he's actually been on the field has done a great job at nickel. I am not confident in Todd wash, and I know a lot of people before the year started were calling for him to be the next great head coach that came out of Pete Carroll's type of system, the defense that they like to run and I, I wasn't confident in it then, and I'm definitely not confident in it now. Obviously, the offense is putting them in a lot of bad situations when Bortles is on the field and they turn the ball over twice against Houston. The average starting field position. For the Texans was their own twenty four yard line that put ten points on the board right there out of the Houston's twenty. But Todd washes playing ultra conservative. He runs a ton of zone and when he does run man, very rarely do you see any press tight man? You see a lot of off man that's giving a ton of cushion. We would know what that's like. You're in Philadelphia. Not at all. And the Jaguars like to run a lot of four man Russia's, they don't like the blitz. That's great. If you've got the guys that can do it and they certainly do. But when it comes to the point where you are refusing to adjust from running, so with so much cushion to where teams of even like recently Dak Prescott has not been what he was his rookie year at all. It was regarded as a game. The Jaguars should have done well against the past in even he came in and ate them up because he just took what they gave him with all that cushion in that room to work underneath to where they're releasing the ball. So quick. It doesn't matter that he can got quite has thirty pressures on the year in his still getting near the quarterback because the ball's out so quickly that this defense is just getting eaten up. Zaka described the Jaguars defense, not the eagles defense. Yeah, yeah. And, and you have you? I can definitely see the comparisons because you look at both teams and you see, especially along the front four just dynamic pass rushes on both sides right in that they, they're yielding the same issues. And I think that's going to be. I think that's actually something that someone that's smarter than me at football. You could really dive into a cool project of multiple defenses across the league just to see how offense is what the firepower were seeing these days in defenses in their inability to adjust to what the new face of the passing offense in the NFL is doing. I think we really cool project anyway. I think the Jaguars can find a way to eliminate guys like alshon Jeffery in even a guy who's been forced targets underneath in Nelson galore with playing a little bit more press rather than opening up. You know, the underneath zones have maybe like you mentioned on my show, having Jalen Ramsey shadowing, alshon Jeffery. I think that. A really fun match up to watch. They were to end up doing that, that that can solve a lot of the issues because the pass rush has the ability to get home, but they can only do so much when offenses are constantly taking what they're being given. So seeing a little bit more variance on this defense would do them a lot of favors maybe. I mean, the people say at best Blake, Bortles struggles if he has anything less than perfect supporting cast on both offense and defense, which is really, really, really telling about your quarterback. But maybe the logic is sound that if the run game were to do well in the defense was able to eliminate offenses from marching down the field than the offense might perform a little bit better, but it's also an incredibly unrealistic expectation for sir. Keeping on the offensive side of the ball. One more question before we get to scores in predictions. What I've noticed in this is a has a big impact on on what the eagles like to do. The eagles run twelve and thirteen personnel at a league high over forty percent. I haven't charted the last game yet, but last I checked. It was at forty. Four percent led the league two in three tight end personnel sets what the Jaguars have encountered with against those sets is typically bringing in Ronnie Harrison, the backup safety to bury church. The rookie out of Alabama Harrison is they run a lot of big nickel to combat those two and three tight end sets, what does he bring to this defense to where they feel comfortable putting him on the field in that situation? I personally think he should be playing all the strong safety reps Overbury church anyway in maybe forcing church who albeit is not as fast as he used to be just getting up there in age playing that big nickel role where he's constantly playing closer to the. Box than he is out in coverage. But I think Ronnie Harrison's done a good job both coming down against the run, getting off of blocks and being able to make stops is one thing that he does well and impasse coverage. They've been struggling with injuries at nickel tour. They forced him in and they're the rookie bumps every now and then where he seems a little odd his own. But for the most part, I think he's done a decent enough job with how athletic that he is to defend in the passing game. Now, when teams lineup in twelve and thirteen personnel and are trying to utilize their tight ends, the Jaguars have actually, it sounds weird to say, but instead of using their big body physical safeties, they actually employ their free safety to Shawn Gibson when they're running off when they're running man, concepts to defend a guy like Zach, ertz Travis, Kelsey Iraq, gronkowski and Kelsey had a decent game in the Kansas City game. But what can you do at that point when they are firing on all cylinders in every part of the passing game to? I don't think Gibson did. A bad job either. And I don't think Kelsey had like a great game, but he did a decent job against her own Caskey when the defense was a lot more in sync Gibson shut him down. And I think that if they're running man concepts, you're going to see a lot of that. 'cause they're confident in Gibson's ability to take on these guys who are five inches in fifty pounds bigger than he is. I don't know how they originally got that confidence, but it's paid its dividends to wear that could be something that they do now when you're then defending Dallas Goddard who's also in the similar size range, you really just will need to employ one of your safeties to get as physical with him as you possibly can in that box in order to try and stop him because those are two giant red zone threats, right? They're just when you look at their size in ability to make plays on the ball in general. So I think we've covered this part of our preview for the Jaguars and eagles. Of course, me in Benjamin Sollac will be doing our to preview shows. They'll be a BGN radio dedicated to this game as well. Zac, appreciate you. Come in by, will you give us a score prediction who you think wins? Is this the first loss that the Jaguar? Is it the first loss that they would see. They had been there two original games in London blanking. I think one was San Francisco in one was Dallas there on a three biggest right now in Dallas. So this would break that, okay. And they would also result in a four game slide for the Jaguars. I am not confident in the direction of the team right now, especially with sticking to turnover prone, Blake, Bortles despite your biggest issues being the turnover differential. I've got the eagles taking this twenty four to thirteen breaking the streak. Unlike Zack, let the gentle listeners know where they can find all of your work. You guys can find me on Twitter at Zach, underscore good. All that is spelled with an h the correct way to spell Zach. All of my work for the Jaguars is done at locked on Jaguars podcast website. Got a lot of content coming everyone's way. If you guys are into checking in on how a similar team to the eagles. You know, contenders year ago turned three and four this year. If you're willing to try and look for. Some comparisons, feel free to check out my work over there. I also cover the UCF nights, your national champion division one team for UCF black and gold banner at part of the nation CIs can all of that stuff is put on my Twitter. So you guys might as well follow while you're there. He's been Zach Goodall. I've been Michael kissed. Thank you for tuning into the kissed end Solex show. We will be back in the morning with a new kissing. So elect show breaking down the Jaguars offense against the Philadelphia Eagles defence. So check that out, hang with us and remember, we all we got. We all we need. Why is. Hi, I'm Karen Fisher. I wanna tell you about another podcast. You should check out. It's called Rico decode every week. I talked to Tekken media's key players about how they're changing our world. 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Player Price Check + Bad Trade Offers

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

1:02:27 hr | 2 years ago

Player Price Check + Bad Trade Offers

"Hey foot clan. The fantasy football podcast is proud to partner with Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital this season together, we can help in childhood cancer, and ensure families never receive a Bill from Saint Jude for treatment travel housing or food, because all the family should worry about, is helping their child live one dollar of every alternate draft. Cut sold will go directly to Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital to support its mission finding cures saving children. Hey, this is Wayne from the two K all infancy league and Sujoy China and you're listening to the fence footballers podcast. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose. Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike. Right. Welcome in once again. Welcome in to the fantasy footballer. A tip of Mike's cap to all of you very gentlemanly. Yeah. No. That was that was the very respectful that was I just hit a grand slam rounded. The basis went back to my own dugout, but the people were just insatiable they needed to see my face again. I came out, and I said, thank you, one and all. Yeah, I I'm of this ballpark. I'm. I'm so I was just going to let you keep going because the fact that you comprehend things that happened in baseball on I, I was a baseball fan in a different life. So you take the cap off you share or you just give you give. I pull it down. That's where you're taking the cap off. That's baseball the tip of the cap. That's I don't know gallon cowboy both where you're you're saying, miam- Howdy partner out at partner. They when you take the cap off, like if I were to take the cap off, like right now, you would see the reason I'm wearing a ball, cap on. Are you starting to panic because what happens is occasionally on this show? Mike will have a hat on. And I know that if he has it on for more than two days, I know exactly what's happening. Yes, it is week. Yes. And that means that Mike has a countdown to his next haircut. And he's just committed to the hat until that time those left me getting a year trouble now because you told me hairstyle, this has gone guys. Learn a week has gone by and you've still got the big Comber or it's going to be two months will go on, and then I'm just going to come up with a shaved head up. Figure it out. You won't go back to the man bun, you'll go to peer saved it. Maybe some local super stylus will reach out. Oh, that's doing I it's very particular the way. Uh-huh. I get I have no doubt about that. Welcome into the show day. We have a great episode for you. Getting your fantasy team ready to rumble for twenty nineteen. We have a little bit of a little bit of ADP fun in store for you today. We're going to look at the average jam position of, of a number of players and do a little ADP price check, and we don't know exactly where these players are going. I mean obviously where we keep up with it. But Brooks put the up to the moment average opposition on a number of players. We're gonna try to guess where we think they're going, whether we think that's a good value where we have them ranked, and we'll talk through all of that on the show today. Be sure to visit the show over on Twitter. Where do they find us? Mr. Moore at the F F bollards on Twitter that way. Do. No. Yeah. I got a little scared for you. Yeah. Sure you were ready. This is show. Seven Twenty-three, if he doesn't know our Twitter handle by now. Well, you were there. No me. Find on YouTube watch the show. Subscribe, click the bell you YouTube dot com slash the fantasy footballers were on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcasts. Ad free on Stitcher premium you can listen to us everywhere for free. It is fun. All right. Here's the quick question of the day. Mike Jason here we go. Justin in Tennessee. There are a couple of teams in my dynasty league in their trade offers are. Well, they're just not very good at all hate that. Yeah. We know those people, one of them, I know very well look at him in the mirror every day. What's the good nice way to get people to actually send meaningful indecent? Trade offers or do I just need to keep declining them and hope that they get the hint? You gotta hit them back with something worse. That's my go-to do. That's look. I'd like dalvin cook and juju. Smith. Schuster, four Larry FitzGerald, and it sends the message it says we can both offer stupid trades. Why don't we talk about something real now that can backfire though, certainly you can burn. I know they can somebody that delusional if you send that offer. They'll be like oh, so you wanna trade, Larry, let's talk. Let's talk about Larry might not get it if that offer enticed them to Larry say, yes, yes, I do, let's talk, you know, I mean, the reality is, you're not going to trade with someone on a bad offer. So you have to say something just quietly rejecting rejecting rejecting and constantly getting bad offers is never going to get a trade to go through because the good offer isn't gonna come very few good traits, come by leaning on the in platform sister. Only you don't get a lot of great traits done by just sending an offer and waiting. That's why when we tell you about how to build a league, the right way with the right people. We always say, hey, look build another communication system into that going to be able to DM. Yeah. I mean sleeper does a good job of that in platform, better communication. But, you know, we, we've also suggested go create a Facebook group, do whatever it takes to see I bring something up here. I haven't even used I hear there's an app out. Now, have you heard about this? Marco Polo, I have never heard of that. I've heard of the game. Yeah, I know nothing about this out. Someone showed it to me the other day, this is not a sponsor. I this out might be horrible for all. I know what are you doing? But this app, it lets you do group like video texts back and forth, and you can do them as a group. So your whole league can be leaving back and forth. It's like text messaging, but with videos somebody that might be fun. You need to be able to have some context to shape the offers what I'm saying. Slack is another good. I know we've got. Some of our leagues in there. I wanted to encourage better traits. I would get on the horn with them in one way or another and say, look, I'd love to do a trade with you. But this is hogwash. I used to be the send the, the terrible trade offer back, I've just I'm old and I don't care anymore. So I just I just reject them. But I have had people where it's just is garbage garbage garbage garbage. Oh, hey, look. Yeah. Trades done. And then, and then when I accept it like immediately because I, I know I wanted to do the trade, that's very funny, because that's when the DMZ they're not happy about that, and they come in and be like, wait a minute. You always reject on my trades. Why did you accept this trade? What if I done wrong, and then you just cackle like a maniac now there is also the world where I think that the majority of people who make bad traits to start are maybe not majority, but there is a good percentage of people that when they're making bad trades. It's because they're. I'm gonna finish there, but I don't want to start with this trade offer like I'm gonna start a little worse. So I can finish. And then it just gets rejected. So I recommend. Offer a trade that can be accepted. Don't offer trade that has to be negotiated. But you could argue on the other side of that, that if you receive a bad trade, maybe that's just a starting point for negotiation send a calendar back that you like I like where my head is at the other person's should feel real self conscious about the you have to. I like it when somebody goes, well, you said, yes way too quick. I want to take it back now. You heard it at the top of the show, the ultimate draft kit is here. I have a couple of quick things to say about that for you. Get into the news and the ADP price. Check number one. Thank you to everybody who preordered the ultimate draft kit. Thank you for all the feedback. Thank you to the team here Brooks. Jeremy Josh rob Jason Jason more. Jason more no team that put this together. And look. We're listening to your feedback. I especially want to thank everybody who's reviewed the app that brand new app on Android. And I o s which is the companion. 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He says he doubts will see Todd in the preseason which simply means that there's a problem that state of mind that you're in now is the same one you'll be in going into wegan, and it's the one that's going to probably permeate through the all on season with this weight. It's I I'm upset with this as the dynasty owner in our main dynasty league of Todd Gurley. I thought I was buying them cheap this off season. Yeah you could about him now. Oh, I started I, I won't have Todd Gurley on hard. I can't imagine that. I'm gonna play in a league where I'm going to be the one willing to take that pick because you know, I feel like right now I don't know back the second. I was gonna say, let's, let's get it. That's, that's this is my father check is. So let's say you are you're right around the middle of the first round and not a chance there. So sold on. So here's the scenario. You got Melvin Gordon your first pick. Okay. Now it's coming back. So you off of the turn and for me it's like those, there's like juju. Travis Kelsey are kind of seeming ADP wise. They fit right together. They both go right off. They go right before you. Okay. The allure that, that's all of the start of Melvin Gordon and Thanh girly Sherman of the second if the other affirmation players like ju like I thought you were going to say it was juju Kelsey in, in Gurley. Who would you pick and I would have picked no-no those two are gone. Yeah. I mean I mean that's going to be. To be a dead RAB what the dead cap hit for. Girly would be twenty nineteen what if it cut, like right now, thirty four point eight five million? He's only twenty four years next year's dead cap, twenty five point six million dollars. Got a ton of money. He's great. His deals through twenty twenty three. Forty five million guaranteed there will become a point because look he's not gonna play in preseason. The doubts will persist, Daryl Henderson will flash in preseason because he's great. And there will become there, will there's gonna come to find where I'm going to have to take him off and a half to take him. I mean this is not everybody out there. This is not a situation where let's put it this way girlie in full workload mode was not kind of number one. He was so far and away number one that it was not even touchable. It was another stratosphere even last year another stratosphere with missing time. So that tells me then there is the world where he's a great value because he dropped so far. The, the news is so bad and a girly with a lower workload on that offense is still a top three guy. I mean if he's healthy. If he's the fifth pick in the draft. He's a value if he ends up getting used the same way and they're just, you know, wanting to not do the wear and tear in the off season. And in the preseason and that, but I think what we have to be honest about is the actions of the team, not the words. But the, the only actions we have seen now are them matching Malcolm Butler's offer. Going hard in the draft after Darryl Henderson, making sure that there are other running backs there. And then now looking to rest them in the preseason. It's theirs. There is a real problem. Malcolm Brown this you, you threw me so off when you when with the Malcolm Butler, did I say, Malcolm did hold on, hold on. That's not as the running back so psyched out right now. All right. Yeah. We got there. They didn't feel the need to go. Bring C J Anderson back. They leaned on Malcolm Brown, despite the productivity of Andersen e they have to head. They have to control this narrative. And at this point, you're not gonna cut the guy, no matter what happened. So it's just going, this is just going to be the story all off. So you and the Dedi p people want to deal with it. It's going to go down and down. All right. Let's talk about the chiefs offense coordinator, Eric b enemy. He insists Damian Williams is the team starting running back there is no running back by committee. Oh well, I. He said, Damien Williams is our starter. We expect them to excel in that role. I did move Damian Williams. Oh, all right after this report, not every bit of hype is worthwhile. Moves me emotionally, but he was a little bit low to begin with. He moved up a little bit with the reinforcement here. We'll see what happens. What's funny to me is healing. His high is you're talking about two completely different situations. But Damian Williams and Todd Gurley could go right next to each other. Yeah. And what Mike? That's a great question. I you're on the clock. Oh my God. There's only two players left in the NFL season starts tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning the game. I guess versus Rams tomorrow. Who are you taking a guess? It's girly but is. Yeah. Like what's bananas about that is two very different situations? But both of them at least to me, could finish his top five running backs. That's the ceiling for Damian Williams, it is, if he maintains the starting job, which, that's their that's the huge bugaboo for Damien Williams is will he be the starter come week, eight and used like a starter? Right. Wanting to be the starter and other things you used like starter. That's the thing we just don't know because we haven't had a season plus of Damian Williams excelling bears. Tight end trae burden will miss the offseason program after undergoing sports hernia surgery. In never good. That's unfortunate. We got one of these. Mediocre signing of the week. The big drop. The Jags have signed wide receiver extraordinaire slash QB slash free agent now no longer slash thrill. Jobs, man throw prior you burn so bright what, what was his 2017 footy award Brooks? I think he had the poopie his pants poopie pans. Well, I mean, what could have been is doesn't matter. The good news. Is this makes the wide receiver core for the Jacksonville Jaguars? Very clear really helps open things up. And right now, you know, exactly whether it's going to be Terrell Pryor depressed Conley's Conley. You know, marquees Lee did you see this news today? Jason about Humphries turning down the patriots on their offer. And the fact that not see that. Yeah, he, he came out and basically said, look Brady's the goat. But he's no. Mario. It'd be. It'd be great go to he'd be great to play with. But who knows how long he'll be there? I mean, there longer than Mario is gonna be in tennis Tantalus his reasoning. That's what he said he came out and said, here's what I would respond with. And what was their offer I would say how much money gets see gave them way more money. That's fine. It'd be great. But look, I really believe in the titans. He said to do anything with that. Look, I think the titans are a good organization. It's the question. It was a four year deal. Who knows how many years he's got left? There's a lot that goes into it said Humphries Brady for other hand freeze. Dumfries. I just wanted to heighten the high be like for Humphries going to, oh, I would have gone to a too high on the hype. I mean, I honestly even with Eshelman or is or is that the reason that Adam and got the extension because they were spurned by Adam Humphrey snow? I mean I you know, it's just he's got a good skill set. Adam Humphreys is a quality wide receiver. If you put that on the field with Tom Brady, thank you. You find a little bit of excellence there. But I don't think you'll find it with Mario typic- captain at the end of the day. I mean you can say, like it's it was it'd be fun to be a patriot. But, like Tennessee gave me an offer. I couldn't refuse a what they did. That's, that's you owning up or. Yeah. You owning up that. Yes. It was money. And so what? Right, right. All right. 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So where do you guys think he's going right now? I feel like people are wise on McCoy this year. Yeah. In the sense that he's been a big name, and he's been a true work horseback. He's on a team that, you know, there's a narrative that says he's actually going to be a really good pick this year. He's still the starting running back shirt. That's what I mean. He's and the bills what are they wanna do? They want to run the ball and then they remember what he did last year which was putrid their members age is mileage, and they go he's done like is less Shawn McCoy done, or is he mediocre? I mean like I don't get world where he's a great running back. So I'm gonna guess ninth round. It's it definitely looked like the wall hit last year because I mean, that was that was his worst. Year by a lot. He's never been under four yards a carry. And until last year when he was at three point two in each just he was off the field all the time. I don't know if there was an injury situation that we were not privy to but everything about about his usage. Just went way down in it looked rough for ADP on I'm with Jason. I think he's still a starting running back that it has the potential to be three down type of a player has that skill sets to stick them in the eighth round. I'm going to go eight oh, four. Okay. What I said nine nine nine a one, his current average opposition in, I am not guessing myself because I cheated on this one, I had already seen McCoy eight oh, eight oh, wait kick drum. And what's funny is we have him as our consensus running back thirty nine that's where he's going, eight oh, eight. The is running back. Thirty nine wow. All right now, you to have a much higher than I do my concerns on the Koi, you talked about it with the girly context, it would be easy for me to say, hey, we're not looking at McCoy, the right way. This is another Lamar Miller situation. We're just burned from last year, we need to treat them as the respect of the starter. But she said listen to the team and the team's access the team went out Smith. Third round pick on Devon single Terry. They went out and signed Frank gore. They went out and signed TJ Yeldan. There is some adjustment being made by the team enough to the point where Mike you believed Leshan probably wasn't even gonna be on the starting roster. So it's possible. I haven't met running back. Fifty two I'm discounting, his Lamar Miller ability this year because I don't think the workloads going to be there. And if you take the workload away, the inefficiency last year I do think he hit the wall. So that's how I'm weighing in on that one. I think if he has the workload he still going to be bad, when I look at okay, who would I rather have this season Leshan McCoy or Peyton barb? I would probably go McCoy, but listen to what I just said, did you say that I would probably go McCoy over Pete and bar? I would be going Barbara exactly that this is the point. I'm making so barber. I see as value because he's in double digit rounds or at least that's where I assume he is should be, you know, one of those super late stabs at a starting running back. I don't see a world where even with the workload Leshan McCoy, all of a sudden gets his yards per carry back touchdowns up is, you know, he's, he's super-efficient. The mileage on him as a smaller back. Yeah. I think he's I think he has hit the wall. I mean, I was he was one of my guys I was the most down on last season going into last year as far as just like I I'm out, and I'm not getting back in just because of you know what, what round was a good value for bell last year. Like there wasn't one there's some players where they're just going to be a bad pick. And that, that's what I think. Shady's buffalo has did they have so many running backs on their team. It's, it's insane. And it's what's unfortunate is like in other situations. A third round running back. You might be excited in endeavoured single, Terry was one of those guys that he I mean, very polarized, but had huge plays in college. We would be projecting by the end of the year that Devon single Terry would be the starter of the team, and he certainly could be. He just has a lot more in front of he has a lot more guys that he has to actually pass. So while regularly, you might be talking about halfway through the year. Okay. Single Terry might be able to start out or take over, but he might not be the last twenty five percent of the season. Yan. You wonder how a team moves on from a big trade aquisition like McCoy in the overrated nature of the name it persists with the coaching staff to you might not give up on a guy like that. As soon as. You would think I can remember DeMarco Murray being a player that it took quite a bit of time to realize the inefficiencies of DeMarco Murray on an offense because of what they were that can be one of the check marks against Devon's single Terry taking the rains early. I, I do think it's kind of, you know, if McCoy had massive passing efficiency last year and just couldn't run the ball. I'd be like, okay he can still contribute here. But you didn't see a report between him and Josh Allen, right? And next year just speaking for Devon singleton. He will be the guy made McCoy's contract is done after this year. Frank gore forty-two Frank or will still be playing in the league more than, like, but he won't be a buffalo Bill. It's a one year contract. I think TJ Yeltsin's is, is it Frank your go to buffalo because Fred Jackson because Fred Jackson, it's such a career. Well, what Fred Jackson sold genyk cold up there in buffalo. It's the pool is from wanted all there was some BUSTER the restoration. Yes, that's up. Buffalo. They found it. I got stop by their next time. I'm in buffalo. Oh to attend for that joke. Oh, well, I thought it was at least a four. Are you going to start doing that on the show? Jay just put put a number down. Yeah. For sure in, you know, I should really do it more, like now it's out of ten but the numbers you put down between two and four right? You can't even see it. We're gonna have to get you some of those cards, Rushton judge like the dunk contest. Oh, good. I'm thinking dunk contest. Brooks, put that on the list, we're definitely get. We'll get two sets. And when you say one of those jokes, Jason, and I will both hold those up if you get the set Brooks, and you can only get like one through four number wise because it's cheaper. That's all you'll need. He already hit a ten out of ten today. He did what was that one? I don't remember. Okay. All right. Let's go to let's do a little ADP price, check for a couple of Steelers. Dante Moncrieff Vance McDonald. I think there was a news report that came out earlier today about the ball, being spread around in Pittsburgh with the absence of Antonio Brown. You've got mum Krief. You've got Washington. Yeah. What do you think? What do you think where he's Moncrieff from to me? I'm going like you know, I would guess he's undrafted. Yeah. Very very late. If not, undrafted, we still, aren't we because you're not sure is it James Washington or Dante Moncrieff? And honestly, that's a if you like draft capital of Jane's, Washington, second round pick his second year in the league that still holds value for the team, but they gave Moncrieff a decent two year deal, I think it was five million off. That's all the time ahead. I can look but Dante Moncrieff mean like thirteen o seven I'm gonna guess like eight. Wow. Now, very different opinions of he's thirteen eight that's where his draft eight places right now. What did you guess, Mike, I guess, thirteen or something? Yeah. You said thirteen seven why you're way off? No, Jason you haven't stayed under of our group. Donte Moncrieff is one of. Of those, I'm gonna use the la- one of my later picks in a best ball league on Dante Moncrieff, because he's going to have a monster play four times this year. Yeah. I mean a best ball pick is great. He's got a very comparable skill set ability when it comes to like Martavis Bryant who obviously dominated with Big Ben just running that nine route faster than everybody else. Getting down there catching a touchdown. He's gonna slap the pace you know, in a redraft league. I'm not a big fan when I say that, you know, eight oh nine or eight ten whatever. I said, that's what I assumed people might be putting on him. I'm not wanting to take the shot at I've actually just kind of gotten to the place where I decided, I'm not wanting to take the shot at the number two, you know, is it going to be James, Washington? Is it going to be Dante Moncrieff? Is it going to be deonte Johnson? Yeah. I won't be Deontay. Johnson will be on record. Okay. And I will be on record you're saying if a two comes out of the Steelers as a. Dominant. You know, I if if a wide receiver to comes up and just dominates for fantasy football. He won't be on my team like because I'm not going to take the risk. So let's, let's take the gamble there between James Washington. Deontay Johnson in Dante Moncrieff. Who do you think has the best chain long grief? I green up a solid number two. Yeah. Take the vet who's had success before, you know, this Niki pickup, for Pittsburgh, probably better for their team than it is for fantasy. Yeah. How about Vance McDonald Steelers tied in worse is average job position right now. Jason you have him seven in your tight end rankings. Mike eight I have nine we both we all like him. He's our seventh by consensus. Where do you think he's going in drafts though? Because I think we all know he's probably gonna value range, maybe, I think he's going as a top ten. Yeah. Tied in currently, so I would put him in the seventh. Randall say seven oh six you say seven oh six Jason. I'm right about there. I'm gonna go seven oh, seven oh you jerk. Yes. I and I don't know this one, I'm going to guess eight oh, five K Brooks. Do you want to do the reveal on these forests? Ooh. Yes. Vance going right now. Vance dance is going seven eight oh. The winner is me. Tighter, right? I did it tight end number nine tonight, happy with that price. I mean, that's I mean, we should be to hopefully me bring this Dame up doesn't cast a giant shadow. But I mean that was straight Burton rains last year where you are. You're still paying because it means a seventh round pick. You know there's some wide receiver twos. Possibly still available. There's, there's real depth. You can be adding to your team instead of a tight end who still feels a bit like a flyer. But Vance McDonald. Also, to me has a very high ceiling and we've seen it a few times with the Steelers and he finally was able to, to overcome and become the number one tight end on the depth chart. Yeah. Antonio Brown is going to turn into Moncrieff doughty. Johnson James Washington advance McDonnell. That's right. That's the. Antonio Brown targets. You're not going to have a real targeting crease for juju. You might have putz down increase for juju targets. Can't go up a lot. Those four guys, we're gonna share them Vance McDonald, he's priced exactly where I have them ranked. So I'm probably not jumping out him but it will just be team determination. At that point, you can take Vance McDonald and get a you know, a decent portion if not most of what Jesse James, their former tight end had and then just get a nice just like a little cut a little gimme ten to fifteen percent come from Antonio Brown. Vance McDonald becomes sensational in the target department. Yeah. I mean who's going to earn big bins loyalty on that often? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I would put Vance McDonald ahead of the Africa. Dante Moncrieff as far as target, you know, the second in targets you know as a receiver. Just for reminder not crazy about him here. Because to me, there's still a lot of other good running backs and wide receivers while he's ranked kind of appropriately here, I would rather take more wide receivers and running backs that have better odds to be difference makers than I'm gonna find in the double digit rounds because you you brought up the perfect name Mike trae Burton last night. He was about this round. And guess what he did he finished right there? He actually he didn't disappoint. Do you know last year trade Britain was the number seven tight end? Neither is gross though, there's not a single person who is happy. They drafted town trae Burton last year. No, we liked him a lot. If it is not even the thing about this, and we talked about it in our player profile in the U K about Vance McDonald, the idea is, this is not a hyper athletic type of player to me, this is a player that didn't Vance. Yeah. He's got juice. He's got juice. But we know what he is. You're not talking about him walking into a new offense being the trae earn was an extrovert Kelsey, because he never got enough play in enough. You've seen Vance McDonald on field. So. Stiff arm guy, I told you that, that that's going to color. It's going to color, the athlete profile too much. He's not built. And he didn't test an ineffective, and that was Hyperion PR he's no trade. Burton is my point. So physical specimen standpoint. He comes out as a Brit, Celik or type of player he ran a four six nine he was eighty six percent tile and score eighty six percent. That's his that's where he was. Yeah, I'll take. But last year, he had seventy three targets that's twelfth at the position. So that's what I'm saying where lose Justice, and he's and that was an only fifteen games. There's why he's being selected. There is the, the, the narrative that you have to paint for Vance McDonald to go from seventy three to high eighties is it's not it's not a pure if you get high eighties, you are still going to be disappointed. And I think that's you know you had seventy seven for trade Burton last year. I feel like if I don't get one of the top five, I'll say, I j Howard targets from friend Bravo's burger, and over ninety targets for Mitch Trubisky. Sure that's. That's fair. But my point for me this season at twenty nineteen, I would, I would include OJ Howard, and Evan Ingram is, as you know, my top five tight ends that I'm willing to, to draft. And then if I don't get one of those guys I'm pretty much out until one of my last picks. And I'll take whoever I'm vet that drops super late a Greg Olsen or I'll grab Vance. If he drops the, to the ninth tenth round okay, let's talk about saints running back. Let tavis Murray. Well, we've got him at consensus thirty two. I think the one of the more interesting things to talk about with the tavis. Is what if something happens sure to Alvin Kamara chimeras, had some concussion issues before. You know, he's been pretty durable. He's been a monster in the red zone. But when you talk about the value get with latavius, you get you get the side running back numbers in New Orleans, and then you get this insane. Upside, if something happened L Alvin Kamara, where do you think tavis is going? We have him as our consensus thirty two. I think he's going in the middle of the seventh ago. Seven oh six and I think he is a great value there for what I'm looking for. I think he is more of an eighth round player. I will go eight. Oh, two I will say, well Brooks. You ruined it. You ruined it all Brooks. Violated it on the screen while I was looking at it out. And also when you've been thrown seven oh, seven is that right? Brooks. Good job Andy seventy. Give them that one wash. I think when you're talking about the upside of the TVs Murray, you are not properly, accounting for Juventus, Allen. I disagree. Yeah. We are property accounting for Buckeye in being facetious here. Buck Alan people wanna know, does it matter. No, no, no. Not at all. No, if you look at what Mark Ingram has been able to do and you can go back. This is just Mark Ingram. You can go back and look when marking room was the one and there were other twos. You can go look before marking removes in the league and how they would use multiple backs, Sean Payton, and drew Brees, have great running back as a team numbers at the end of the year, Alvin Kamara will absolutely get the lion's share, but there's so much left over in that offense that I want the running back to. There's not a lot of teams that you can do that. But you latavius Murray will be a weekly stream -able you know, flex position type of guy where he's got a good decent chance at a at a touchdown. And like you said, Andy the upside is there. He's not a handcuff at all. He's a standalone player with massive upset. When on our last show. We did the ultimate draft tips, and we're looking at some market share numbers. It was the prize and to see how much work chimera Kat in the tin zone. So there it's not like latavius walk into a situation where Ingram got every carry inside the ten. They need a goal line back and it has to be latavius Murray. So I don't even though that there's a possibility they use them more there because they just you know he's had success there in the past. I don't think it's a guarantee that he's the goal line back. It's just a matter of what Jason said. This is a team that traditionally leads the league in rushing touchdowns period, what he meant to say was there's a possibility that Alvin Kamara rips off a huge run. It gets it gets tired, it gets taken on the two, and then he's then he's little winded. And then they'll send latavius Murray and all right. Let's go onto James light patriots running back James white one of the most owned players on championship teams last year. Because of where you got you got him at a value right now. Mike, you are body ING James white. Yes, we've been saying it on the show. For a while. Jason. I both have them inside our top twenty four. You've got him outside your top forty. That's am I beseech you Mike? I beseech you get onboard. James white. He's going. I don't have any beseeched music. This is not. You need some Jesus Christ Dr. Oh, this is not going to work for, you know, names whites going to have an excellent years. No, he will not I'm gonna say he's being drafted the six ten and I will scoop him up like crazy. I think he is being completely overdrafted. I I'm gonna guess he's a fifth round pick. I will say my ranking of him that's just where he landed with the stats that I gave him. I think there is a, a very reasonable expectation that he outperforms the ranking that I have given him. But with their ranking of saying, I am not paying for you, because I agree with you guys. I think he's gonna be going in the fifth round the six round and his situation was literally as perfect as it could possibly get for a complete statistical outlier of a season for Jane's, white, not that he's a bad player, but he just everything lined up for him in a very magical way. And that's not going to happen again. Where's he going Brooks, six oh, four may accelerate too early for me? It's just it's, it's extreme value for if you're in a PR league keep in mind. I mean if you're not in a PR league if your standard league James white is far less valuable because make no mistake. He's not a running back. He's a wide receiver for this offense. They use him from the backfield as a wide receiver. He could be, you know, I expect him to be north of one hundred targets. You know, Julian Edelman and James white are going to dominate. It's the thing is, it's a pretty far fall from last year a championship winning season to go from he finishes the number eight runner running back last year. So I can bring up my argument again, of like you're saying that you expect them. Well over one hundred targets. He's done that once in his entire career, but, but the most recent history that we have is that he's a foundational player for Brady in Brady's there and the offense is the same and you only lost grunk. So why would they go away from what happened last year? Now, maybe he's not number eight because of opportunity. But why would he be outside of the top twenty twenty five because of because of how much she was actually used last year due to injuries from Sony Michelle due to injuries from Rex Burkhead who those guys are both back? And they added a third round running back in Damian Harris. I just I do not see a. A world. But what about when we say, we beseech you what about that? Russ, the argument that I will that I will accept because there's always word for, for all of these players. You know, when you're expecting great things, there's always the world where it doesn't work out. And if it doesn't work out for James why I think it's going to be because of Damian Harris, you know, you saw Rex Burkhead when he was on the field was not as good for James white that's the argument, I would encourage you to stick with for your terrible anti James why. It's part of his, his his career high targets before last year was eighty six which is still just as does man. When you're twenty six years old, and you and you just, I, why would the team go, do you think that the, the patriots are going to the books and going? Whoa, wait. A second. This year was an outlier. We better go back to whatever he did when he was a younger player and we didn't trust him as much. No. But I think that they have other running backs who are good on the team. I mean like to me case, where we can we can transition to where do you feel about Sony. Michelle are you still as high and so on shell? No, no. And my rankings reflect that Wednesday when push came to shove on Sony Michelle because they both like to me, they both can't be there. No, they're not if no they both can be there because one doesn't want touchdowns ones pass catching. But I mean so Eighty-six targets or whatever that, you know that's that would have been the six best last season. I mean those are great numbers. You don't have to be at one hundred twenty three. You know to, to be sure, but he's six targets is great, but he also had five rushing touchdowns last year of which he had scored a rushing touchdown since two thousand fifteen. That's, that's not happening. And that's why. But that's why Jason I haven't been twenty one and twenty four. Right. Not eight where he finished for what it's worth Sony is one spot behind. So I actually haven't backed back twenty four twenty five. All right. So we can move on. We better move on the Browns combo. Jarvis Landry David joke. Where do you think those guys are going Jarvis Landry? David Joe few in joke. We have as our tenth ranked tied in mostly on the power of Jason's firm number six and then Jarvis Landry. I've got him at thirty I don't know. Guys have them at forty five and forty. What's crazy about Landry's? He has. He actually had a very high market share. Yes. Of the offense last year. But then you mix in like a the Baker Mayfield. I was getting better and advancing getting more freedom. So even with that markets. Are jarvis? No. He was bad was there. No, I know. That's, that's the scary part about the Jarvis argument. Now I've got a should have done this for James white but Brooks. What format is the ADP, because Jarvis that, you know, that's it's always going to make a big difference ADP in rankings are both half half VR. Okay. So my thought on average ramp position for Jarvis I have in the highest thirty. I'm guessing the Jarvis Landry is going in the fifth round. I'm gonna guess the beginning of the seventh, I'm gonna go seven oh one and where where did what the different would it be gone. Six. Yeah. We're gonna where's, where's he at Brooks fifth round five? Oh, five. Why don't he's going off? The board is the wide receiver twenty two. So according to all of our rankings, he's Ferdie overdrafted right now. Yeah. I would I would not touch him there. I mean you're going to you've got a player who's not a touchdown machine. He is always needed to have volume to be. I mean he's great. And he's going to be great for the for the Browns, but from a fantasy standpoint he's not the one he's not even going to be close to the one when it comes to targets. He's not gonna yell is not going to be like one hundred and thirty five to one hundred and twenty-five targets between Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. Odell Beckham is going to be, you know, one hundred fifty in to one hundred twenty one hundred fifteen and if you're not getting if you're working close. To the line of scrimmage, like Jarvis does you don't get the touchdown was actually going to bring that up. He his average per reception. Did go up last year from eight point eight to twelve in Cleveland, his receptions took a precipitous dropped from one twelve down to eighty one but my same yard at he's not going to be doing that with Odell Beckham there. That's you know what I mean? Like him being the guy down the field. That's always using that they're going to use Odell Beckham this season. I, I would imagine very similar season for Jarvis Landry. Well, one that you were disappointed in, because it's eighty one for nine fifty and four. I mean that's who was wide receiver nineteen and a half point. So he was wide receiver nineteen and a half point. But if you look at how he got there, the percentage of good weeks versus bad weeks. I think he had a couple monster games. I'll look that up. But I, I don't remember people being happy owning Jarvis last year. I think he's interesting now because now his draft position right now. It doesn't reflect a discount for Beckham arriving. Right. Right. So that Jason you thought he was the seventh round pick. And you didn't even sound happy. Right. I would have been super happy with drivers as the seventh all consider him in the seven. You'll give him some consideration. A little bit of excellence. Okay. All right. You guys want to move onto another name. Are we doing in joke? Oh, that's right. Where where did remind me where Vance was the ADP was seventh round. See. So he'll be in advance. So eight was Vance. That's exactly what I feel. He should be in front of Vance from the populace seven five but he he's should be right. Bogo seven oh one. Yeah. Six ten. What is it? Brooke seven twelve. Oh, wait. Hold on tight end ten. So he's going doing after Vance. People are dancing. People are doing the Vance dance. I don't blame him look it's, it's your fault. I you like in joke a lot more. No. Not not. That's what I was going to bring up. It's, it's not really true. I mean I said earlier my top five that I include Evan Ingram. No, Jay Howard, along with the three names, you know, in kid alerts. And Kelsey the drop between those five and my sixth is nothing enormous know that the difference between six and ten or twelve is nothing that anger Amir five or is Howard you five Ingram is my so it's one of those where. Yes. My ordered ranking says I'm high on in. Joe coup. That's if the touchdowns fall his way. I mean that's really and that's from that ranges. Anyway. Exactly. From joke, who on it's just take your best shot. And so it's wise in joke you in Jarvis massive differences between first and second after the season. Jarvis first-half pays one hundred eighty six targets second-half pays one hundred ten in jokers, first-half, one twenty second half seventy four first-half spread around. What is the point? Right. It's it's Baker. Tyrod was targeting those players. More often Baker was spreading the ball around more often. So it you wonder if the situation in Cleveland's actually, very similar to the situation in Pittsburgh, where you have juju. You've got back on their, you're kind of solidified guarantees, but then agnostic targets after that from the quarterbacks because Baker likes to spread it around in Jarvis got Calloway's still get Jarvis gets. Yeah. But you, you know, you, you do have Beckham's. I'm gonna soak his up and then you've got joke. You've got Jarvis. You've got Duke. You've got Halloway. I just wonder if predicting that number to guaranteeing the number two. Would you take the same approach with the with the number two target in Cleveland that you would take in Pittsburgh? Like you're talking about earlier. Or do you feel like because Jarvis is so I, I feel like Jarvis is established himself as more of a target shorty than say, Dante Moncrieff is the exact opposite type of player. One is a deep down the field. Catch bomb. Touchdown. The other is right across the middle or take a screen, and, you know, get eight or nine yards a reception. So no, I, I would still rather have Jarvis in that situation just based on Jarvis's talent. All right. Let's get into the bag. Mailbag. All right. We love help in the foot clan out. You heard a foot clan member introduced the show from China all bunch jor. Yes. So we have a new perk over joined the foot dot com. If you support us over there, you got the opportunity to leave us a, a show intro because the show's all about the foot clan your league, your team your players in here's your questions. Go to the website click submit a question you can also leave us a question via voicemail hotline three zero two four six fourteen. F F B today. We've got a question from Nathan in Texas. He says, hey ballers, huge fan of the show. You often mentioned when receiver moves from playing outside. Into the slot. What are the fantasy implications for a slot receiver versus a guy who lines up on the outside positive negative negative better for PR? Yes, I, it's they're going to get more targets in theoretically. You're talking shorter. Plays a lower yards per reception. Of les heard. I heard theoretically. Oh, goodness in your your your touchdown opportunities. Do tend to go down. Very Slava receiver with double digit touchdowns almost perhap-. Yes. And, and sometimes when you see those seasons that look like they're gonna happen. You know that happened a little while ago with Crowder, it was like, oh, he does get touchdowns from the slot. Then as time goes on you go he doesn't. He just had a good. It's the same with Jarvis. Jarvis had that one nine nine but other than that, it's he gets you. Does it does depend a little bit on which team, you know, the Larry, Larry represent? Larry FitzGerald near Zona. He's been running out of the slot for a while. He still was the best touchdown catcher on the team didn't mean a whole lot. But yeah, traditionally you see a player with a different route Roundtree a lotta underneath routes. There are certain players like Tyler Lockett, who had a lot of yards after the catch last year who if the best wide receiver on the team is, in that position, you get more confidence. I think. I think we've been in a world where fantasy owners have tried to turn every slot receiver into what Welles Welker represented for fantasy owners years ago. And that's just is more often than not, the, you know, the case. Right. What the absolute best scenario is when you have a superstar wide receiver Julio Jones who predominantly plays on the old side. But then you're oh, see is actually smart and use them around the formation that and then before the defense realizable what happens is. Oh, crap. Julio Jones's in the slot Hiltons in the slot. Because you're now playing against the third cornerback on the team instead of a top two. Jon Allen Adam throwing the they do that a lot. All right. Let's get into a voicemail question. Hey, ballers is Eric from New Jersey really need your help the holy is having a huge argument. What do you do in between the time of the rookie draft and the regular season because there's a lot of issues between when players should be dropped when roster sizes should be cut down. And what happened with teams that have thirty or more people on their rosters are still able to pick up reagents and such an aggressor hope you got the question have ago one, you can help them. Pitchforks down. Absolutely. I'll I'll, I'll grab my torch up until you to put your pitchforks down. Because I know we've had you know, in, in the dynasty leagues, we've been in the same compensation the same debates the same oh, I don't want to drop my players yet. I don't want to, you know this is a dynasty league. This is a league where it's you, you're not always going to know the information you can't wait like a redrafting draft right before the the the draft. So in my opinion, and I. I assume in our opinion, but I'll only speak for myself here when you have your draft you've got to make those roster cuts. Right. Then if you're adding four players your team, and you're not expanding in the rookie draft post rookie draft, you've got to get rid of four spots, and open it up, right? Then you don't get to hold onto them and do that jazz as soon as that roster is inputted right after the draft. It should be open season for all trades. All waiver wire. You know, if you wanna make a different, I know we've got a an offseason fab budget that the, you know, going into week one of the NFL season, it, resets, you get a brand new one hundred dollars on your fab budget for NC's in. But the whole point of playing in a dynasty is to have off season action. So you don't wanna have a elongated lockdown your league where you're not talking trades when you aren't experiencing the fun of what it means to have a dynasty team. And if you know they're. Some different opinions in our league to about. Oh, do you want to wait for the rookie draft for a long time? Well, you can do that. And maybe you get a little bit more information or things like that. But ultimately, you want the most open season, so to speak. And if you this is what a taxi squad is four if you're one of those people that is adamant on you gotta, I don't wanna drop anybody. Well, then you have a tax squad where you're rookies can go and sit and develop. But if they're on the taxi squad that means you can't actually play them on a week to week basis without moving someone up and dropping someone at that time, the only caveat I will say to my opinion of do everything early. Do everything quick. Have it always open. Have all transactions going is if you're looking to start one up the start of drafts is just so important, if you want to hold off and wait until, you know, the same time of year, that you've got redrafts going where you've got maximum information. Nobody's going to draft someone that gets injured in their entire career. Arc changes in the kid get rid of them. Ever. Then then I'm cool with that. All right. We'll more voicemail question. They fancy footballers late. You guys love the show. I've been going back and forth on this decision all summer, then trying to figure out if I should kee- Julio Jones or James Connor in my half point p p r league. Thank you. Ooh. You are correct, sir. That is a rough one. We I am. I am on team Connor that I think that James Connor will be the guy and more. So of just if he is the guy he's the guy I don't think that Mike Tomlin is gonna use a platoon, the people that have to beat out James Connor in between Jalen. Samuels Ambani Snell. I just don't think that one of those two guys can do it. However, it leaves in the world of probability of things that actually could happen. What can't happen is that someone takes over Julio Jones of the Atlanta Falcons of being an elite wide receiver and render Julio Jones completely without value or with very little value. Five straight years of at least fourteen hundred receiving yards for Julio Jones. Julio is one hundred percent. The safe pick ended with. I mean he's only player but James Connor can be. He's at a more valuable position. Yes. And that's what the that's where the debate lies. And what you think you'll be able to do it the position in your draft. I think that says a lot. Yeah. And you get a can you get a great running back because then I'd go Julio. Yes, it's funny. I looked up there ADP just now. And right now, the average draft position is one eleven for Julio Jones and won eleven for James Connors. So this, how is this possible is a true decision where you've got to go and pick one of those guys if I'm on the clock, I am taking Julio Jones right now. Let's say we get into the season. It's preseason. James connor. They're, they're not even letting him play because they said James Connor is the starting running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Then it would depend on what the rest of the league's doing. So to Andy's point earlier, if you can find out who's being kept. And if everybody's keeping a running back. Yeah. It's gonna make it difficult for me to grab a top running back, then I'll follow suit and gra- and keep Connor. Otherwise. If some people are going running back some people going wide receiver Travis Kelsey someone's keeper. And Pat Mahomes if someone to keep her. Then I'll take Julio and I'll draft another great running back. All right. As we close things out. We've got a pristine deal of the day for you yesterday on pristine, auction dot com, AJ green signed Cincinnati Bengals photo fifty five. Which is fine. Whatever went for fifty five dollars the day before couldn't be surprised every single time. Jerry Rice, by the way, signed logo. 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Standard is the Standard: Identifying the Steelers' biggest draft need after Free Agency

Behind the Steel Curtain

48:32 min | 2 years ago

Standard is the Standard: Identifying the Steelers' biggest draft need after Free Agency

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS foretaste Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What's going on? This is Jeff Harmon editor of behind the still curtain dot com. With me as always my coz, Lance, William, Lance Williams. My goodness. Can't talk today for another episode of the standard is the standard, Lance. It's going on the west coast today. Nothing much, man. But I see that are fives are already connecting. 'cause we're both black hats black hoodies. Oh, that's right. I didn't just picked up on that. That's a great minds think alike. That's what I always say. And said today. Today. We have a lot of people. Hopefully, we have a lot of people in the live chat. We're gonna be asking answering some questions of yours later in the show. And so we do have a couple of topics to get through before that. But if you have questions save it, make sure you always I've always said, you know, you can use a super Chad feature where you can pay any amount of money to have your comment or question up on the top and keep it there we answered, but that's up to you. If you wanna use that. But let's get started with a question. I wanted to ask you we talked about this a little bit on our Steelers preview show, and it was the hatred going towards Ben Rothlisberger. You mentioned this topic on your show. Yeah. I said it recently. I I don't wanna talk about that so much because that's kind of been beaten a dead horse. My question for you is what what do you think the Steelers should do from here on out? Because here we have a situation where it's not like they can just go and hide they're going to have to answer some questions mainly Mike Tomlin art Rooney. The second. And and I think maybe even Kevin Colbert at the owners meetings in Phoenix this upcoming week. They're going to be in front of the media for the first time. Mike Tomlin hasn't spoken to the media since his ended the season press conference when the whole Antonio Brown situation was just getting started lands how if you were advising them. How do they handle the situation? Years ago. And my brother will appreciate this because I had text him to ask what was the name of the establishment years ago? When I was a tenting Carnegie Mellon University me, and my brother would say I was getting my master's degree years ago. And maybe about ten of us went to a an establishment out in believe Washington county by the name of climax to. Now, I I only seen them what this is. Yes. Now, if any of you have gone to that establishment your phone Pittsburgh area. Wet impeach West Virginia. I'm sure, you know, people from as far as West Virginia have gone to the establishment climax to now there needs to be no description. So we go to climax to we enjoy ourselves. We have a good time. We come back to class the following Monday. Now, of course, you know, there was a feminine inst- that went to that was a classmate of ours in no in no shade on feminists. Most of my aunts. Now, I grew up in a family of strong women. I have for years, so no shade to feminists. So they sheet decided to send an Email back. When Email was in its infancy. We're talking about in the nineties. I thought it may have been called snail mail at the time she sends an Email to. Everyone in the university saying that we went to this establishment in that we objectify women, and she tried to bring scorn and public ridicule. Ridicule in shame to all of us who went to set establishing it. My strategy in this what I think the Steelers should do. I sent out an Email to everybody that went in said. No oxygen do not respond to anything that. She saying. I know you want to respond. I know you wanna get on Email defend yourself. I said, but trust me, if we do it will mushroom in it will spiral out of control. So she went on, you know, she got responses to her emails. It went on for a couple of days in the Steelers case it's gone on for a couple of months any eventually because we did not provide any oxygen. It finally went away. We all went back to class. It was what it was in individually. We all took her it ripped her a new one individually, not on Email. So we were able to say our two cents. In be able to handle the situation not publicly. So I think if the Steelers want to take a cue from anyone in their organization as to how to deal with the situation, they should model themselves after me in my behavior. No oxygen for no, no seriously. They should model themselves after Ben Rothlisberger. I think been ironically has shown a tremendous amount of leadership in not responding to an Tonio Brown and to lady on Bell's comments in keeping his focus on the season. That's coming up. And I think Mike Tomlin has not said anything I think he's keeping his focus on the season. That's coming up. I think the only thing that the organization can do now is to move forward and put all their energy on trying to get back into the dance and trying to win a championship whatever's been said whatever's been done, that's all that's all been done. You can't be right that that's all gone folk. On the future focus on what you need to do to get this football team better and move forward. I'd I'd love to hear more about your story of of climax to of sei's safer. But the one thing I have to the yet to understand though, is that the media is going to be asking a lot of questions, and when they they're at these owners meetings, if you've ever seen it, they always they have a meeting with the the coaches and then the next morning, they always have the breakfast. And you literally the coaches are sitting at a table. I'm not sure they'll eat breakfast. But they're surrounded by media cameras everywhere. And you know, that they're gonna sue your what exactly if you're Mike Tomlin? 'cause I know he's going to just be annihilated with questions about this. Do you poor drew Rosenhaus just Bazeley say next question next question not talking about it? I mean, Mark L. Let's say this Tomlin's a master at this Tomlin is a master of the there's an elephant in the room. I'm going to address it right off the bat. And then I'm not gonna talk about it again. So I wouldn't be shocked. If Mike Tomlin says is everybody ready? Here we go. I'm not gonna talk about Antonio Brown or leave lady on bell because they're no longer with the Steelers organization, and therefore I will answer any questions you have about the upcoming NFL draft or about the players would be currently have on a roster. But I will not talk about anyone that is not within the organization, and then the entire medias like what am I going to say now, so of how would you tell how would you advise if did to handle the situation because he's going to be asked questions about it. We don't Mike Tomlin listens to the show. And I'm gonna say this coach. Did you hear what Jeff just said? That's how you answer the question. I mean, and I hate to bring these guys as up as an example because I don't like to mention their name. But that coach up north is how you handle it that guy up north is how you handle it, you go into the press conference in you just say what Jeff said those guys are no longer on the football team were moving forward. We're focusing on the future next question. We'll see I think there's going to be some news this week. It might not be. I think if anything the Steelers are smart to follow art, Rooney the seconds leave where he did a conference with media prior to going out to Phoenix. And he basically said what I just said in that was that they're excited about the players. They have on their roster. They're excited for the two thousand nineteen season. And that's what they're going to focus on so in my guess is at all the chips are just gonna fall into that same category. But speaking of the two thousand nineteen season. I I wanted to talk about team needs and we're going to get to that and about the upcoming draft. And I want to ask you about free agency. But before that, I wanna get your opinion on something I asked Bryan and Dave on our Steelers preview show Thursday night. And if you haven't checked that out, you can go and check it out on YouTube or our audio platforms. Either one. It's all about Dante Moncrieff. Okay. Now, Dante Moncrieff has the ability to play inside and outside. Let's talk about the depth chart right now. So we have we know that juju. Smith Schuster is Elise. Labelled as number one. I would say that there's gonna be a battle for James Washington. Dante Moncrieff for two in the slot. Receivers are alive Rogers and Ryan Switzer. Here's where I got into a little bit of a mental dilemma is. I'm thinking to myself. Okay. If they're going to try to put juju wide outweighed, and let's say James Washington uses that year that he got under his belt, and he knows the offense and he performs better in his second year. Then he didn't is I I don't think the Dante Moncrieff the guy you wanna put in the slot. That's going to be like, I said Rogers and Switzer where does Dante Moncrieff fit with this wide receiving corps. And ultimately, how would you deploy these receivers in a standard offense? Set. I think I'll answer it like coach Tomlin would answer. I think you have to be positioned flexible. You have to be able to play all of the three positions. I think from a size speed dynamic. You put mon- Krief outside Moncrieff is played outside most of the time. So he's going to either please going to be that X guy is probably going to be lined up outside the numbers on either side of the field that I think for the other wide receivers in Switzer, I think in ju ju Washington ally Rogers all those guys have to be positioned flexible. They ought to be able to work outside the numbers implants sets or in the slot. So they have to be able to work everywhere in the formation. So I think if you can't do it that way, they'll they'll be okay. But I think Moncrieff is going to be the guy that's probably going to be outside a majority of the time. I don't see him running routes inside. Yeah. It just seems like there's going to be an odd man out here in the situation because I assume they're going to draft a wide receiver because outs. Side of those names that I just named there's not much there. And I think they're going to be looking towards the future and trying to find a young hopefully, a big speedy wide receiver. I just don't see how it could work out. What I figured out and what we kind of talked out on Thursday night was the juju does his the most of his damage from the slot. And he's probably best at the slot. So if you put him in the slot. You would also you'd have James Washington on as the X doesn't matter. And then the z could be Moncrieff or whatever. But then you have someone's the odd man out. And so if you were to let's say they do draft one ride receiver and that wide receiver is gonna make the football team. Do you keep all those players you hold a spot for Ryan Switzer as a return, man? Or are you someone that says we don't need a return man because we have someone like Eli Rogers that can do that job as well. Because let's be honest kickoff returns or basically touchback every time anyways. That's a good point. I think Switzer's job would be in jeopardy. If you talk about all of those receivers because I think if I Rogers better player, but when you look at Dante Moncrieff salary and you look at his contract. I mean, you can get away from him if you need to after one year. So I don't think it's a big deal. And I don't think it's going to be really a big deal how he's deployed in. How many targets if he's the odd man out or any of that stuff? Because after the money's off the books this year next year, if they wanted to cut Dante Moncrieff post, June first, they would get a four million dollar cap savings, and they would take a dead money char or to one point seven five million. If they did it pre June. I it would be the same. So the dead money charged. If you wanted to get away from Dante Moncrieff with not be would not be much. So I think if you draft a wide receiver early in the draft. I mean, obviously, you know from a pedigree perspective and from dry. Position for money. All that that player's gonna get the opportunity in front of Dante Moncrieff, I think Dante Moncrieff is probably a stopgap for this year. And then it's a see if we still need him next year. So how he fits in is how he fits in Moncrieff reminds me of Jericho Khatri type kinda been around a few teams had some success wouldn't say it was crazy success. But could he find a niche on the Steelers in in Khatri did is a red zone? Target his final Pittsburgh. He had ten touchdowns, and that's really all he provided but for crime the ten touchdowns for ten touchdowns. I don't care would you get housing yards. Would you take ten touchdowns? I'll take ten touchdowns personally. So get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans. Just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. 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After the museum already made. What position would it be? Long snapper. Get of. This. What you because you guys were talking about. The blast position. The freeview. Message. You would you long, snapper? And I think Dave brought a good point about the compensatory compensation. Compensatory pig. If if they make a maybe is an additional move where they may not get a compensation in in terms of compared to Tori, selections aid. It depends on there's a lot of factors. It's not just players out versus players in. It's also salary and playing time as well. So if they were to go out and get someone else it would definitely hurt their chances of getting a third for lady on bell leaving in free agency. So he's suggesting that the Steelers don't do a thing until I think it's the Tuesday after the draft in which case those editions don't count towards those comments compensatory equations for that year. So he said the New England does this a lot. They'll just sit quiet in the let everyone else pick up pick up all the players that they want and then after the draft they'll find some players that are still out there that they like, and they'll bring them it. So that's that's his philosophy. I'm not saying that's mine. But it does. Play a role because you want that third round pick in two thousand twenty lady on bell leaving with that being said, I think they kick the tires on it tied in at that particular time where they can still get the third round pick. Because I think they're still avoid you got to replace the Jesse Jane's acquisition. And I saw a believe they were kicking tires on Shaughnessy from the Jacksonville Jaguars. They did bring him in. Yeah. I would admit. So I would imagine that they kick the tires on a tight end. They bring a tide instead they don't have to feel that void in draft. So they bring a third time in who can catch the ball solid blocker doesn't give you much yards after the catch sort of Jesse James type. So I I think they'll kick the tires on that in probably bring it a tied in. Yeah. I mean, the tight end I could see I could even see it. They're supposed to lose Burnet. You know, they're they said they're going to try to trade him if they can't find a trading partner, which I doubt they're gonna find a trade a someone that's willing to trade for Morgan Burnett. Zim? Maybe if there was a safety on the board that's veteran. I'm not saying like a net bear he type they picked up last year who is more disrespectful teams guy. But you know, a veteran safety, please don't say Eric berry or anything like that. They're just going to cost too much money. Because that's the one thing you have to remember too is that on top of the compensatory equation on top of team needs. They don't have a lot of salary cap space until number seven decides he wants to redo his contract, which by the way, it's taking forever, which means what Lance no hometown discount from big bet. I hope fans aren't expecting that. Because his last year. It seems like he's trying to get the bag while he still can't. And he should get the bag. I mean, he's put in like. Should he really should? He really absolutely hell on because. Look, look man, we live in America, man. I'm a capitalist. I don't believe about this counts. Man. Look in work. Hey, I'm not put the discount when it comes to lifting weights. Well, maybe he is in eating properly. Maybe he is going back to hear point from shows in the past. He's not a nervous eager. But yeah, man, come on, man. This is this is America teams make a boatload of money. He wants his bag just like those other dudes wanted their bag and they've won two Super Bowl. He's a hall of Famer he's arguably the best quarterback in their franchise history. Get the bag baby I can't front on that. I can't front on that. I guess I look at his career and say that he would be with this piece contract. Three for him not counting his rookie deal. Yes. So yet it'll be disobeyed contract with rain for as the adds a potential free age con so or four including sees on contract for he's made over one hundred million dollars by this team. And if he's if he's honest with what he says in that is I just want to win another title. Why wouldn't you say I want what's fair? But I also don't wanna bleed you dry. So that you have some money to make more moves like that's what I don't get. If if this isn't a lady on bell situation where lady on bell wanted nothing. But to get the he wanted to max out he wanted to get the most guaranteed money, and that's what he wanted and that's all he cared about. And whether he says, he all that BS. He hadn't had horrible interview. I'm not listening to he wanted the most money, and that's fine. I agree with you cash out. Why you can't especially running back but quarterback Benz already had. One hundred million dollar contract. He and he had a big contract prior to that. Why don't you just say look give me an average quarterback yearly rate? Give me a nice signing bonus. And let's go out there. I'm giving us some you will manage it to that next year. We're gonna have a lot of cap space play three more seasons. Let's see if we can win a couple. I just don't get the whole I wanna bleed you all dry, and we're not not talking discounts because I want mine, and then next thing, you know, you're gonna complain about what they do in free agency because they didn't add receiver or anything like that. I don't know, man. I mean, just I mean, maybe he's not being truthful. I mean that could be it. But you can't say that you can't say I want the bag it. It's a difficult thing. If you say that I want the bag fans will have your reaction, and then you might be robbers Perkins a bad guy. He wants to beg. It's a business. They understand it. They'll manage it. And no, I want the back inch. It's your responsibility to manage the roster in a way for us to win. It's my responsibility to get the bag in intern. Try to do the most that we can with what we have. So if they're comfortable with it, and I'm comfortable taking it gimme the bag. I'm not apologizing in. They want apologize for riding him the check. So all parties want to get this done. It will get done. They'll figure it out and he's going to have to play his best football. I mean, you know. Well, let let let me say something here because we did the show on Thursday night. I know you listened in in the title of that show, was wise. Everyone hating on Ben Rothlisberger. And I don't know how many YouTube comments we had about hell, you owe a bunch of homers, blah, blah, blah. Look, I have said on this show on my own show on multiple shows that I'm not saying that Ben Rothlisberger is a Saint. I'm not condoning what he did in accused of doing because I'm not judge jury here. I have no idea what happened or didn't happen. None of us. Do I'm not saying that what he did in Nevada. And enjoy Joe were. Okay. I'm not saying that him driving reckless on a motorcycle without a helmet is. Okay. I'm not saying that he's the best leader. And I'm not saying he's the best teammate. What I'm saying? Is that in this situation? It just seems like everyone's piling on Ben Rothlisberger in. I think Lance is with me here because he didn't tire show on how. Ben Rothlisberger is not a good leader. But he's a winner. And if you want to check that show up makes you check out our audio platforms, which you can find anywhere that you search for podcast just search Steelers, you'll find are behind the steel curtain dot com. Audio platforms his yeah. I said it show, it's an omelette. You should listen. But what I'm trying to say is landed a lot of people were constantly calling me in other hosts like Bryan, and Dave homers. I just wanna make it clear just want to clear the air that I'm not saying the Ben's perfect by any stretch of the imagination is that human being perfect. None of us are perfect though. I'm just saying that in this situation. What's gone down the last three months? I feel like it's been a little a little bit. I saw that message you semi get outta here land. All right lands is sending me messages during during the podcast saying, yes, I am. I I like, Ben I'm a big bang guy. But I criticized in this year, you know, I did didn't I? You have that out of you. You have taken. It's taken five years. She finally got. Yes. Yes. It has. No. I mean, I'm sure people who are listening to shoreline. Wow. Land is actually supporting big been. I mean, so I'm sure they're surprised, but I have no issue with been trying to cash out in get that bag of money in in. I'm gonna talk to eat. I'm asking what stone. If you guys don't know in what stone is probably the best. Stealer. Cap. Allah gist, you know, on the web outside of Omar Khan. And I'm I'm gonna ask him how much being made in salary or over the course of his career at riddle me this I think is probably closer to two hundred million dollars. I think it's way north of one hundred that is probably close to two hundred million. But you know, we're wearing an industry where I mean, I don't begrudge football players ever. You know, they can come out of this game with C T E. So when you play a game like this where you can literally lose your mind. And as a result of a medical condition. You should get the most money that you can. And think about this. Jeff, Mike trout. Hundred and thirty million for a twelve year deal. And he's probably got an over a hundred and fifty million already guaranteed money manager eaten when you add it all together, he's probably going to get close to six hundred million dollars in salary over the course of his career. Hey may get that money. I am not mad. Don't hate the player. Hate the gang guaranteed money. They get that's insane. To me Beata you bring up CTE and the players playing the game. And I get that. And I understand that. But you know, I'm from West Virginia and a lot of my kids. I graduated high school, you know, where they work now, Lance. I could imagine they go to the coal mines. I'm being one hundred percent honest here. There's budget coal mines around from. And they go down underneath the earth and their work in the coal mines every single day. And you know, what they know the risk that's involved with that with black long and all the other stuff that happens. It's not to mention the fact they could be trapped. It's not my line of work. Trust me. I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Steelers, but anyways to pretty fit at suck. Hey, here's the here's the point. You know, when when the kids I graduated high school with they signed up to go work in the coal mines. They knew there was risk involved. They don't get paid millions and millions of dollars. And so I I understand what you're saying that there is a high risk of injury. I'm not sure if I'm gonna use that as an excuse that you be cashing out get more than you know, everyone else because everyone that's ends up to play football knows that there's a chance they get hurt. So. To see their perspective. They'll work it out. They'll work it out. You know, his responsibilities to be paid what he thinks his fair. Their responsibility is to manage the roster his responsibility, if then to take those groceries which on the offensive side of football and make a souffle. Well, maybe in your case in Keene in wa s s you'll nice in of accardo's palate. I don't or maybe avocados are bad now. They they have. Now, here's here's the thing. Too. Is is fans wanna be pissed about the price tag. They wanna be pissed about lady on Bill and how much he's getting even though we all talked about that deal before they wanna be pissed if Ben Rothlisberger cashes out and gets a huge deal used to be pissed at it's not Rothlisberger. It's not the Steelers you should be pissed at teams like the Baltimore Ravens forgiving. Joe? Flacco a ridiculous contract usually pissed at the Detroit Lions for paying Matthew Stafford out the wazoo be pissed at the Minnesota Vikings forgiving Kirk cousins so much freaking guaranteed money. Do you know what that does to the market boosted up analysis? Sudden you get a guy like Ben Rothlisberger, which is used lances a future hall of Famer. And he's like, look I get what I'm worth. And if you look at what these guys are making I'm worth more than them, and that's going to complicate things. And I think that's one of the big kind of the points. It's kind of holding up negotiations will say, I think it deals going to get done. But it's hate on those. Teams for those bad deals in privy to popular opinion. Tom Brady did not take a discount on this last contract. He did not take discount, and that's been poorly reported he did not do that. And I'm just saying that you just in case some people in a live chat might be singing Tom Brady took a discount. He should do Tom Brady. Tom Brady didn't ticket discount and quarterbacks don't, and and you expect that but going back to the Kirk cousins deal. The big thing about that deal with so problematic was that it was one hundred percent guaranteed. Not only what the huge contract. It was a hundred percent guaranteed. So that's new at. That's a whole new set of details and issues that they have to deal with particularly when it comes to quarterback contracts. Wow. Well, not only that. Hey, what's insane? Is we talked. He talked about my trout, and that's guaranteed money and major league baseball look at the contracts for these NBA players that are bench guys that don't even play every. Minute. They're not even starters if they make more than some of the the highest best NFL players in the game. And the NFL I hate to say this. But when they're CBA's up, you all should expect a holdout period, and it might be a a lengthy one because the NFL is by far the most profitable and the most popular game in our country. And yet the players are probably treated the worst contractually compared to everyone else. But I digress. I don't wanna get into too much maybe for another show. I'm musicologists. Nate sloan. I'm songwriter. Charlie. Harding. We're the hosts of switched on pop the podcast where Charlie and I breakdown pop hits to reveal how the music works. And why it matters. 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I'm just going to say eight we basically around I'm going to say, I think they're going to leverage two of those picks. I think they're going to do something that they haven't. They don't do. Typically, I think they're going to leverage to to those picks to move up to get one of those Devon's. I don't know if they'll do Devon white. But I think if Devon if Devon Bush's in play I think they'll move up to get Devon Bush eating what the hat, you know, what they would have to give up to get Devon white. There's people saying he's a top ten pick. Yeah. I used to do the draft calculator. That's great tool out there where I don't know if Gil Brandt was the guy who created the draft math calculator where it puts a number value on picks, and how much you might have to move from your draft selection to get to that selection. So let's just simple edition and yet. I mean, I think they can move into the top ten that would probably cost three to four picks that would probably cost like their first their second third in something else to move all the way up into the top tend to do that. But I think they'll move aggressively to get Devon Bush. And I I still think insight linebacker is a position of need. I don't think Mark Barron. I think he's the short term fix. I think he's a long-term solution. So I still think that is their biggest need on the defense side of football. And I think when a football team as a whole so easy to sit inside linebacker Trump's all in terms of team needs. Leads entering the draft. What would be second for you? Like give me your top three in order team needs entering the two dozen nineteen NFL draft of inside linebackers one. What do you have number two? Camera. Kanner in then I would probably say why receiver? Okay, I think you can argue with. A lot of different positions. Like, I could even I could make an argument to wide receiver isn't should be number two for obvious reasons. But I see what you're saying. What is a position that would the you could see they would be surprised position that the Steelers would take in round one that would stunt everybody. But you could make an argument that it could happen. I was gonna say long snapper acting. Acting added the caveat. I just just thinking back at you guys last show tree Archerd. I was putting funny we talked about dri Archer as with oh. Oh, I think an offensive lineman in round one would be a total shock. I think it would be a toll. It'd be a total shot, but you could justify it in the sense that he's the heir apparent for. You know, maybe Ramon foster that eventually lease or it's a guy that plays a swing tackle. Where you bring that person in to play the right tackle position because you have an aging quarterback. And you went the most talent. And you think you can get a lot of value out of the tau position. So you solidify your offensive line even more knowing that you're going to have to score, and you're going to have to be versatile and having a greater offensive line allows you do not even make it is. So I think you could go offense of Lyman which would be shot, but they could justify I think that eight any offense visit position not not titled wide receiver would be a shock for me. I mean, some people are saying they should go running back. They took a running back in the first round. I would be stunned. I mean, absolutely stunned not only because there's been proved that you can find quality running backs in the middle rounds. But also that's not a huge team need at that juncture. So we have a couple of questions all and I went to the live chat and said, okay, you guys have any questions. Let's get to some of these lands before we call it a show. Okay. Do you think here's someone? Awesome stuff. Nineteen Eighty-three a great euros a year. I was born he put out a question about a package on whether we think it would be enough to go up and get Devon whites. Here's his packagers would our first. So we swapped first round picks are with a third round pick a six round pick this year and next year. Second do you think that'd be enough to go up into the top ten and get Devon white? Give me say that again, give me say that again. Okay. East swat I John Texier giving up twenty to move up. You're giving the third round I'm assuming that would be the raiders pick which is early in the third round or maybe it's their own. I don't know. So you're giving this year, you're swapping. I a third and a six and then two thousand twenty second round pick. I'll just say, yes. I mean, that's a lot of compensation. I mean that quite of compensation to do. Not having the calculator in front of me. I'm trying to find it. I'm just going to say, yes. And again with the calculate with with the calculator. It's just a certain number of points. You need to meet to jump into a certain selection. Now, it's fluid because you have to intimidate where you think he might be drafted. So it's more compensation if you wanna get to number four, it's less if you wanna get number five six, so it's hard to say, I'll just say, yes. To sit eight. Yes. But it, but it's kinda hard to say what the compensation would be without knowing what pick they would have to jump into. I think you have to get into the top ten I think you'd get a do that same package. I would say that the third round pick is not going to be the raiders pick. I would give the Steelers third round pick which would be the twentieth. Pick of the third round. I'm not giving up that early third round picks. Give up a swap. I give our second third round pick in a six year. I'm not touching twenty twenty picks three picks like that. I feel like that would be enough to move up. But it all depends. You know, think about last year when the Steelers tried to move up to draft that linebacker from Alabama the head to get in front of the ravens to do. So the ravens weren't about to do business with the Steelers. They ended up doing business with the titans titans. Go up and get the guy hindsight's twenty twenty. He was hurt a ton. I don't even know if he played much here. But at the same time, you have to have someone that's willing to trade that pick away. So keep that in mind too. I mean the Steelers and this something Dave Scofield brought up when he we'd our Thursday shows that you have to remember the Steelers picking up Mark Barron was huge because now. Teams. Can't squeeze squeeze them. In terms of saying, we know you need an inside linebacker. So we're going to ask for more. They conceives the Steelers can say what we've got a guy that can play. If you want to deal, we'll do a deal if not we'll wait. Instead they have a little bit flexibility there. Okay. To this rule. Pick real quick Jeff now, where's dry after second round pick number. Whatever the twentieth fake. And the second round is is it. So there's thirty two teams. Thirty six I first round. That'd be fifty two. Let's let's say it's if d too because I've had I have a draft calculator up your now, and let's see Steeler draft spots are set. Let's see let me get the exact number because what the pick calculators trying to do is. So in the second round, you got it. Right. Jeff is to fifty second pick. You're not that bad at math as it. Is there, you know? Okay. So what is saying here is to receive pick number ten if the Steelers, and this is just how the calculator works. If they threw in their first rounder in their second rounder. They would that would be enough value to move up to the tenth, dick. But but obviously, they wouldn't give you their first in their second. So let's see third is a the eighty third ac- the eighty third in the one hundred and twenty second. So let's see eighty third. I throw in the eighty third calculate. They would still so the so the changes in the eighty third would almost give you the value to get picked number ten. So the compensation that he's giving is probably more too expensive to get the number ten pick the compensation. He he's probably talking about probably gets you a top five pick. And if you're moving up into the top five this player better be darn worth it. If you know what? I mean. I mean, he better be a guy that is ready to get out there and play from day one. And he he he's a guy that you're saying look we signed Mark Barron to just be a hybrid safety in our sub that could just that's what it should be. Now. I'm not sure how far it. Here's a question from snow. Who's been a snowman? He's been our live chat all the time. How far would you trade up? Like, where's the point where you say? It's not worth it and in the draft land. So you're like, okay. Would it be tenth? Would it be five? I mean, how high are you willing to go? I'll probably going to say tap twelfth. Again. Twelve I think is probably a little too rich. Get into the top ten. Yeah. I agree with you there. What about the Devin Bush? I know we haven't watched a lot of these guys. But if Devon whites gone, how how would you trade for Bush considering a lot of people give him the knock that he's not tall. He's I think five eleven he's very athletic almost is athletic is Devon white is would you? I personally I'm not going higher than fifteenth for him. What are your thoughts on him? I think that's about right fifteenth. I mean, I think that's about right? And I don't think you wanna warp your draft to get to past, you know, top twelve. So if I said top twelve with my previous answer fifteen seems about right? I mean, some of the mocks that I've seen suggests he'll be around at that point. But the thing is again, you don't have to compromise your entire draft. If you eat it a solid core. If you in it'll depend on how they have these guys rated so it could be day could have white, greedy Williams Bush. So you don't jump. You. Don't all. To your board. I think you always should Dreyer after your board, and hopefully, you're bored slots itself to your needs. I personally am probably in the minority here when I say if let's say Devon, Devon Bush are gone. You weren't able to move up there off the board. If you're not in love with any of the players that are available and with the twentieth. Pick comes around. I am fine with trading back in the draft. So let's say a teen drafts early in the round around one. They want to get back into the first round for a specific player. Maybe it's a lineman. Maybe it's whatever position that the Steelers aren't necessarily coveting. If I if they say, look, I'm gonna we're gonna bounce back. We're going to get a second navy. Another third pick a third round pick for first round pick. I am. I'm a guy that says I'm fine with it. Absolutely. Because you can find a lot of time. I'm fine with that too. I think that's solid. They Joe's of. Avoid already burns to point out in. That was you're the guy you Ed targeted. William jackson. The third goes the pick before you you freeze. You don't know what to do? And so you just take the next cornerback on your I guess probably on your draft board. And we all know how that pans out giant bust. You can't go exactly. So is he still does? He oh bus. Stop part two. I'm going to wait and see how this pans out. And see how it goes. Because I don't I I think it's a guarantee he's not gonna have his fifth year option picked up, but maybe just maybe he plays well enough that he makes the fifty three man roster L busted, two point pointers. If he doesn't make the roster if he gets cut in natives does not even make the regular season roster. L BUSTER two point. Oh, no doubt about it. All right. Oh my gosh. Laurence says would you trade for Rosen? Josh Rosen, and what pick would you use? No. I would not trade for Josh Rosen because I don't like Josh Rosen in my opinion. Give me some Mason Rudolph before you go Josh Rosen and Lance news. I like, Mason Rudolph, so. Listen isn't Rosen cow guy. No, he didn't play for duty. No he played for UCLA. I hate. She is. LA? No he played for the baby bears. We are. We are. We are the bears. They are the Bruins. They are the big AB bears. Yeah. So. All right. I think it's been a good show. And I do want to let listeners know because a lot of people are probably wondering like, okay. But what are you? What are your plans in terms of the show in the offseason clearly leading up to the draft. We're going to be focusing on that after the draft be analyzing that seem with predicting rosters and positionally stuff. Like that. We are going to have some shows that are specific for question answer. All right. Gonna do shows that are specific for we want people on the live chat. We're going to put an article up on the website all about plain and simple. We'll answer your questions. So would that's going to be coming up? But with that said lands is there anything to add before we call it a show today. Oh, I thought I did. But I guess I thought I didn't went right out of my mind. So if I think of it it'll be on my. Yeah. I said it show which is coming up this week which wanna tease out a little bit because it's already done. Hopefully, you remember what you talked about. We've seen a lot of guys get it. Right. I mean, excuse me, get it wrong in this climate and how they use social platform, and we we saw with AB and left bell. We've just seen guys. Get it wrong in terms of house. They purport themselves. How the how how they manage their own personal brand not product so personal brands, and I just wanted to give props to shoot you because juju gets it. And that's what I want. That's what I'm talking about on my next year. I said juju gets juju is how I think if you have the personality you conduct yourself in. In the world of social media. Juju gets it. He sage beyond his years. And that's why I think Judy will be a foundational piece for this organization moving forward, Yemeni, especially with all this noise. He's been quiet. You have you noticed that? He's actually juju gift he gets it. He can use man he doesn't know how to utilize his platforms. Well, because when when the when the lights are bright, he's doing all this crazy stuff. He's running around in the mall with his friends. He's tailgating with pay before the patriots game. He's literally jumping the guardrail and going out to tailgates with fans at Heinz field. You're right. He gets I like that guy as Jon Gruden used to say youth. I like that guy. So what is your tag here at the end of the show to tell tell everyone? Tune in telephone and subscribe, hey, tune in Tele friend and subscribes it makes you do that YouTube dot com. 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Yeah, I Said It: Deciphering fact from fiction as it pertains to the 2019 Steelers

Behind the Steel Curtain

14:11 min | 2 years ago

Yeah, I Said It: Deciphering fact from fiction as it pertains to the 2019 Steelers

"Borderlands is back shoot and loot your way through mayhem fueled adventure. And borderlands three blasts through new worlds and enemies as one of the four new playable vaulters each with deep skill trees abilities and customization play solo or with your friends to take on insane enemies score loads of loot and save the galaxy from fanatical threat. Mayhem is coming September. Thirteenth on PC Xbox One and PS four preorder now to receive the gold weapon skins pack at borderlands dot com. Welcome back listeners to another episode of year. I said it before jumping through the program when I give a big shout out to my co host of the standard is the standard any editor of behind still curtain dot com. Jeff Hartmann also wanna give a big shout out to Brian, Anthony Davis, who's bed and the oracle of all Steelers knowledge. Dave Scofield wanna wish all three of those gentlemen, in all of Steelers nation, all you Steelers, das- that are diehards. And when a wish you guys, a happy, Father's Day when wish my dad happy, Father's Day. I wanna wish everybody out there a happy, Father's Day. Even if you aren't a Steeler fan, if you want to check out the pot, make sure you subscribe to the show on apple podcast, the Google podcast, Stitcher, Spotify, in any other podcast or do a search for Steelers behind still Kerr dot com before we jump into the program. Again. I wanna sit a big shout out to all of the dads out there. Celebrating Father's Day on this episode of. Yeah. I said it because it's a busy week. For me it's been pretty difficult. Coming up with topics. So don't give a big shot out to Brian, Anthony Davis, who spent on the assist for the show and the simple title of this week's episode is yeah. I said it who's real who's fake? That's the type of people, I hate. In this episode of year. I said it factor fiction. I wanna jump into. Some of the questions that Brian, Anthony Davis, who's bet brought up on his column last Friday, call Pittsburgh Steelers factor fiction, mandatory minicamp, addition, make sure you go to the website behind still curtain dot com. Do a search for that. And in that column who's bad jumps into five particular questions, and I want to just break each of those down, these factor fiction statements and a first statement is the following despite talent at the running back position. The Steelers are likely to run the wheels off of James Connor now, any article, Brian, Anthony Davis, says fiction, but I'm going to say true, I'm going to disagree, and I'm gonna disagree simply by the basic old school colle-. It is hard. For a leopard to change his spots. Now, I know Jeff is laughing when he listens to the program because I actually get a cliche, correct. 'cause I always get cliches wrong. We'd never seen. I'll take that back. No. No. We've never seen who's I'm thinking in my head about the carries that the Angela Williams GATT, when lady on bail was the starting running back and going back to that even when leaving on bail was hurt or after he came back hurt lady on bail got the majority of snaps you know he ran the wheels off of Willie. Parker might Tom is a guy who trusts a lead back lead backs for Mike Tomlin get the majority and the bulk of all the carries. And there's a reason for that, because especially when a running back shows that he can perform shows that he can be productive. In more importantly, shows that his ball security is awesome. Why do you take that guy off to field the only issue with James Connor aka the Terminator is ball security? He had some fumble. As last year. I, I know you got snail junior. I know you got Samuels but James Connor is the superior player. Because you only have a certain number of snaps per game you wanna have your best players out there at all time. And given the fact that the Steelers are going into the season without their best playmaker from last year. Antonio Brown you wanna keep your best playmakers on the field. And at the running back position, that's James Connor. Why take him off the field? You may take them off for a blow. You may take off to arrest here too. You may take them off in some situations but I don't really see many where you should take him off to field. He's trusted. I think the ball security issues will be better. He's not the best receiver of the three Steeler running backs out of the backfield. But he's a damn good. One of 'em. He gets yards after the catch when he's receiving the football. He breaks tackles. He gets extra yards. He brings a punishing running football style. So why take him off the field? So I'm gonna disagree with my esteemed colleague, Brian Athey Davis who's pad? And I'm gonna say fiction, excuse me. I'm going to say fat. He is going to run the wheels off of James Connor the sec the second question the second statement that he said Antonio Brown will do his best not to blast the Steelers on HBO's hard knocks. I'm gonna say fiction, I'm gonna say Fitch. What he's going to do is going to take the middle road. He's going to rip the Steelers every chance he gets, but he's gonna rip them in a way where it's passive aggressive. And he's gonna take the middle ground. Remember how did the show? Yeah, I said it been rothlisburger should take the middle ground. I did it some weeks ago. He's gonna follow some of the things that I said on that show. And one of those was to when you address a point, and you Ripa cat. You don't use the entity the person the organization's name you use pronouns them those guys over there that other organization, or you say stuff like this organization us in Oakland. We do things the right way where everything you're saying is implying the organization that you came from. You're just not expressly stating that organization as to give them any attention. Trust me. When Derek Carr fits a ball in a tight space, he's gonna make a comparison. When John grooten crafts up a neat new wrinkle, he's gonna make a comparison. When the raiders do something that he likes the Steelers didn't. Do he's gonna make a comparison API can't help himself so Abie's or take every opportunity to rip the Pittsburgh Steelers in a passive way. Now the next factor fiction statement, Dante Moncrieff becomes the clear cook wide receiver to buy camps in. I'm gonna say fiction, so I'm gonna disagree with Brian Anthony Davis, as well in say fiction when I look at players, and I look at Ross decisions and I look at starts guy starting, of course, it's gonna be presumably. Who is the best player, but there are other things that come into play and I had a concept that I used to do on an old show mile show called p p p that's production header Gry. And as I say it. Laughing at myself, because I missing the last people its production pedigree and here is another p but anyway. What I'm trying to say is just being the best player doesn't always factor in the decision. So when I say, production, Moncrieff, and Washington Moncrieff has no production as a Steeler Washington has limited production. But when you look at the pedigree, oh, the last PM, sorry was pay you look at the pedigree. And you look at the peso a pedigree pay in production when you look at the last P A of pedigree, Washington is a second round pick Moncrieff is a free agent that they acquire you look at pay Moncrieff is paid more. And you look at Washington's pay, you know, he's on a rookie deal. So in terms of performance, I think that evens it self out, neither one of these guys have produced a lot for the Steelers in terms of pay Moncrieff isn't on a big deal. And neither is Washington because he's on a rookie contract. But when you think of pedigree, that's where I think the second round draft pick is going to win out. I teams don't like to admit when they make mistakes, especially when they make mistakes with draft picks. So because of that James Washington and because he knows the offense at has more of a report with Ben Rothlisberger primarily because of his pedigree. He is going to get the opportunity to start. He's a second round draft pick. They've invested a ton of resource in him and time and time into him. So they're going to want him to start now. He may not retain the spot. But they're going to want him to start. He is going to be the starter in the clear cut number two bye weeks in primarily because of pedigree. The next eight -ment is Vance McDonald will break heath. Miller's team single season. Mark of eight receiving touchdowns for tied in. I'm going to agree with Brian Anthony Davis. Fitch reason why I'm gonna say fiction is the question is will van stay healthy enough? And I think a lot of the touchdowns are going to go to wide receivers as well as running backs. So I think the Steelers are gonna make up with fifteen touchdowns that they lost from Antonio Brown. For more receptions, more receiving touchdowns from different places at different pieces. So I think Washington will have more touchdowns. I think Moncrieff or sprinklers touchdowns he live. Rodgers will sprinkle and some touchdowns. I think Conor is going to have more touchdowns. So I think. It's going to limit the amount of touches and amount of opportunities that Vance McDonald will get next year. I think Vance McDonald's going to be targeted, but I don't think he's gonna get eight I think maybe six that's relative safe number. I'm gonna dial it back by two but I don't think he's going to get eight touchdowns. But I think he's going to still have a very very very very productive season. And the last statement, the blind Anthony Davis jumped into who's Pat was two thousand nineteen we'll be bugged to pre swansong as a dealer. I'm gonna say fact. I'm gonna say fact. I think that but to pre has been a solid pick. And when I say, solid pick, I mean third round fourth round type guy. I don't think he's half first round production. I mean you look at TJ WADA's counterpart that's first round production. I think we're this team wants to get and where they wanna go. And the fact that you have been rob burger with a few years remaining. Dick upgrade that spot. They need a more dynamic Pash rusher opposite T J watt. So what can be even better? And I think they upgrade that position I'm not saying, but the pre has been a bad player. I think he's underperformed with the expectation that you would have of a first rounder, so unless he has a monster year. He's not coming back. And when I talked about the three Ps pay production pedigree, he's a pedigree guy. He's a pedigree guy. He's a first round guy. He's a guy that you don't want to give up because there are first round guy in his pedigree. Is what is keeping him here if he was not a first round draft pick. I don't think he'd be a Pittsburgh Steeler. So unless he kills it next year. I don't think he will remain a Pittsburgh Steeler. And I think they will move forward. But with that we're going to conclude the program. Again, happy Father's Day to all of you who celebrated Father's Day this past weekend. I had a fantastic. One wanna thank all of you guys. Also for any well wishes that you have for me on my birthday. My birthday was June eighteenth, by the time you hear it. I will turn forty nine years of age love you guys. Thank you for the well wishes, but with that we're out of here, and it's always tune in tell a friend and subscribe.

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Steelers Burning Question: Which newcomer will have the biggest impact on the Steelers in 2019?

Behind the Steel Curtain

42:25 min | 2 years ago

Steelers Burning Question: Which newcomer will have the biggest impact on the Steelers in 2019?

"Uh-huh. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What's going on? This is Jeff Harbin editor of behind the curtain dot com. With ver- another episode of the Steelers burning question where I take one topic one question that a lot of people were talking about or maybe it's just something that I'm personally interested in and I answer that question before we get to the question before we talk about anything Steelers related. I do want to send out a big shout out to not only Lance Williams by coast on the standard is a standard. He does phenomenal work both on my shows walls his own show. Yes. Said it which aired today earlier this morning, also all the other podcasters out there. Whether it's Brian Anthony Davis day, Scofield Tony hill. Great job. Please. Make sure you follow us on all of our platforms on YouTube. You can find us on YouTube by searching BT SEC radio. Subscribe like comment. We appreciate all the love there. Also on. Our audio platforms because only three of our shows are live on YouTube. They have five total shows on our audio platforms. You can go to anywhere where you get your podcast and just search Steelers will be one of the very first things. Very first podcast show up for the behind Suker dot com logo. So here we go. We're getting ready for the new show Steelers burning question in for once I'm thankful that until I get to your questions, which by the way, second half of the show. I will often I often, you know, say hey, be a question shoot at Aetna. Life. If you're in the live chat right now and Wansart. But right now, I'm happy to say, I'm not going to be talking about Levi on bell. I'm not going to be talking about, you know, Antonio Brown. The raiders advert about nothing. None of that. And before we get started. There is a question. I have to answer that is Ron s Jeff is at a west Virginia's her. Yes, it is a w shirt, I am from West Virginia. So they go. Yes. I represent the state as much as I can here in the state of Maryland. So okay. The question today is in my opinion, difficult one to answer the burning question. Is this of the three new players recently acquired by the Pittsburgh Steelers? We're talking cornerback Steven Nelson who was picked up as a free agent from the Kansas City. Chiefs were talking about wide receiver. Dante Moncrieff who is a free agent picked up from the Jacksonville Jaguars in. We're talking Mark Barron who has picked up not as a free agent. He was released by the Rams. So he was just on the waiver wire on the on the open market in. He is a hybrid linebacker safety type from the loss Angeles. Rams. I'm not sure if I just said Saint Louis Rams are not some some have it's hard to quit size bad as the San Diego Chargers. Enter the Los Angeles chargers, but the San Diego Chargers that they'll always be the San Diego Chargers. But the question today is of those three players that trio which will have the biggest impact in the two thousand nineteen season for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So when I think about this, and I thought about it a lot today because I knew this was going to be the. Topic of the show tonight, and I had prepped the show, and I even went on the behind steel curtain dot com Twitter feed if you don't follow us, please do at BT steel curtain. I just threw it out. There just did a poll, and it we had probably about six hundred or so votes. I'm not sure of the exact total of what exactly is going down with you know, where the numbers are right now. But the last I checked which was about thirty minutes before we went live on the air. He was really closed between two players the fans rather on Twitter voter on the polls the biggest impact into I thought about it. And I guess the one continuous. Thing that kept coming to my mind was that it depends on how you view an impact. How do you view having an impact for me? The number one thing that you have to remember with this scenario is who's gonna have the best chance to impact gays did that comes down to the role that the Steelers are gonna have them in. It's come down to maybe what positions they expect draft in the NFL draft coming up in April into all this plays a role into answering questions while some people might say will cut and dry. They might say boomers. Here's your answer. And that's it. I tend to dig a little bit deeper. If you follow the show, you know, that's my nature is that I'm not just going to give you a clear cookie cutter answer. So first and foremost, I look at what these players were brought into be, okay. First and foremost, he had Steven Nelson. He was the first player acquired in free agency. I expect that when they go to the Trobe it's Avis college for for training camp. He is going to be CB two cornerback. Two opposite Joe Haden. I think he's going to be slated in as a starter. Now, there is a chance that they will draft a quarterback, and maybe that cornerback will play. Well, but I don't think even if they're super impressive early that he won't start the season at least at position the Steelers don't like to start rookies if they don't have to. I know a lot of people pointed trail Edmonds last year, they did not wanna start Terrell. Edmonds. Morgan Burnett was hurt. That's why he was forced to start more Rene continued to get banged up and have all these Knicks. And you know, it was an ongoing injury thing with Morgan Burnett. That's watch relevance played. But I believe Steven Nelson will have the opportunity to start in. That's really important in this question in this scenario k then we look at the second edition and that is wide receiver. Dante Moncrieff mockery pad the tangible that you like he's big he's six two. He's fast. He ran a four four coming out of all miss and when he's had a capable quarterback which. Really only the first two years of his career when he had Andrew luck before he got hurt. He's put up decent numbers mind. Boggling numbers now Antonio Brown numbers. Now, if you expect my Dante Moncrieff to come in and just replace Antonio around in his production. Think again, it's just not going to happen. So ultimately, you look at it and say what is his role going to be in the offense. Will we know? Geez. Misusers going to be number one will who's going to be the number two. Could it be Moncrieff possibly could it be Jane's Washington? He has an edge on him as he has a whole year in the system under his belt now he did struggle at times during his rookie season. But whereas where they're gonna fall the slot. You think that's Rogers and Ryan Switzer so Moncrieff in. Let's not forget that. I think everyone that's paid attention will almost guarantee they're probably going to draft at least one ride receiver in this upcoming NFL draft. And if that's the case Moncrieff is not guaranteed a spot on this offense as as a regular as. Starter. I don't think there's any way you could say that he is in for that kind of a red flag. When you're talking about the biggest impact, it doesn't mean he won't have an impact. The question is who's going to have the biggest impact this season? So Moncrieff not so certain in terms of what his roles going to be in the office. Is it going to be as wide receiver four if so the Steelers run for waters sets often, but he's still not gonna see the field as much as others? So that's going to be something to keep in the back of your mind. So then we go to Mark Barrett. Now, I think that everyone is just like I said that everyone should agree to they're going to draft a water Seaver. I think that most people would agree that they're going to be targeting an inside linebacker early in the draft period. They're going to try to me. I I would not be shocked if they tried to move up in draft someone like Devon or if they wanna really rock the boat. Dave trade a hall. All for Devon, white LSU. But I think that we can all agree that inside linebacker is going to be a priority for them as they go into the selection process. So what does that mean for Mark Barron? Well, means of Mark Barron, who's a safety converted inside linebackers. So he's really light inside linebacker. He's going to be if they do go out and get a first round safety herbs. His first on linebacker. You have to think the barons going to be used as a sub package player. Think of Eljay Ford before last season when he was used as a starter before the year prior where he would go in in certain packages. And so again, similar Moncrieff not only as barren gonna have to really work for his reps in the in practice in en- games. But he's going to have to prove his worth in certain specific packages incidences. So with that said, you look at these three players who can have the biggest impact while I do think the barren can imp-. An impact in his own way. And I think that Moncrieff I think long Krief to be really good for this team. I really do. I think that a lot of people are underselling him based on his last two seasons. One in Indy. One in Jacksonville. But you have to remember who their quarterbacks at that time. Joe Jacobi percents Curtis painter. I think might have been throwing him passes at one point in. Blake Bortles Jacksonville. You can't expect Ben Rothlisberger stays healthy. There's no way you can expect it unless he has completely fallen off to face of the earth in terms of skill. There's no way that he would have such mediocre numbers. If he's on the field significant amount of time, so Moncrieff could have a big impact on this team. I think he's a big target could red zone target. He can stretch the field vertically that is something stretching feel vertically something we've talked about a lot on this show and the team needs podcast and things like that. So he fits that role. But I can't. Stop thinking about what I said at the very start of all this. And that is that Steven Nelson is going to be slated as the starter come training camp the starter. He doesn't have to beat out already burns Cody cents vase currently not on the roster. He's a free agent still it is his job now coaches like for instance, next week by Thomas speak at the owners meetings in EFI NICs believes where they are this year in he'll probably say that everyone's had earned their spot. I don't buy that for a second. This guy's going to be the starter. Joe Hayden is gonna be the other starter. He is going to have the best chance to have the biggest impact on this team. But notice I said he'll have the best chance because he still has to go out and actually perform in when I mean by that is can he duplicate those foreigner sections again that he had last year for the Kansas City. Chiefs were going to be a Mike Mitchell situation where member when the Steelers picked up Mike visuals. Free agent. He had just left Carolina. He had five interceptions season in fans were just enamored with him. They were named with that number. And they said man, I can't wait to have this eighty here. He's Comey's a hard hitter. Boy took about ball skills. I think Mike Mitchell might have had only two or three interceptions in his entire Steelers tenure I could be wrong. And if you're in the live chat, and you know, what that number is, please let me know. I don't have it in front of me. But it was not a lot. I don't think I'll say this. I'm pretty sure that he didn't get over five total in his time in Pittsburgh any at five in that season. Carolina prior to coming to the Steelers, though, just don't know. But I will say that if he can go out and perform, well, I mean for crying a lot of Joe Hayden had two interceptions last year. And that was that led the defensive back group with two. I mean, it's that's that's pathetic. If he can go out and perform, well, I definitely think that the answer to my question. Steven nelson. But I don't wanna undersell the fact that the other two guys can't have an impact as well. So while I do answer this with Stephen Nelson. And he was the player that people on Twitter voted as having the biggest impact of the three Dante Moncrieff was a very close echina-. Mark Barron was pretty distant third, and I would probably have them in that order as well Moncrieff. I think is just experienced I think pick up the offense quickly. I think he's going to be a good addition. But you look at Barron you think the way that they're probably gonna draft. I don't know where he fits. And so a lot of people are concerned I was kind of concerned when it looked at the finances with Mark Barron's contract and other details of out yet. But he has twelve million dollars for two years as a lot of money to pay for guy. The technically could be a backup player. So who is he replacing? I think he's going to be a replacement kind of for Eljay fort Ann Morgan Burnett. I think Morgan burnett's gone. I don't think they I think he's a post June. I cut they'll save some cap space. He'll get to find a new team in Barron will fill that linebacker slash safety role. And so if they do drafts a linebacker. Let's eight is Devon Bush. Down player. He doesn't have to come off the field. They can bring in Barron another defensive back slash linebacker. He can play the line of scrimmage. He can cover. He still have let enough because he was a safeties. I'd again, the reason why I'm going into detail and all these players while I answer the question with Steven Nelson. The other two players could have a significant role in this team too because they're each have their own needs that they're going to be able to fulfil and to really kind of carve out their own spot on the team where they can make a big impact. My Altima question now is is this gonna be different trend for the Steelers when it comes to free agent pick ups now, I know a lot of people pointed Joe Haden, I don't really count Joe Haden Joe Haden was released and it was before the season and the Steelers pounce on which was hey qudos to them. Great move. He's really panned out. I thought I think he's been a very good solid cornerback for them. And. Really solidified. The back end of the defense is best as he could be guys. Like Darius green and guys. It just didn't pan out. There were injury. Morgan Burnett would be a good example, Mike Mitchell and Mike Mitchell stayed with Pittsburgh for a long time. But that doesn't mean he lived. Question. Now is is answer. The question that I posed at the beginning of the show is who is going to be at the three new players have the biggest impact in two thousand nineteen and I said, Stephen Nelson the question, I have is will all of these or any of these players not the huge disappointments, you know, the more they constantly injured Morgan Burnett. The dairy screen never gets on the field of Mike Mitchell who never duplicates the success that he had and Carolina when they spend as much money as they did on those are the questions that linger and till they finally hit the field, and that won't happen till I believe OTA's are in early may. And then you have many camp, and then you're that dead period. And then it's typically I wanna say July's when they report to train camping. And then you get back into. So it's it's not gonna be far off is the first as spring. So we have some time to talk about a banal where I wanna hear from you. If you are in the live chat. Chad right now, you're watching live on YouTube. This is where you can not only answer the question that I posed at the being the show is who's going to be have the best biggest impact on the team into does nineteen. We also ask your questions. I do want to take the time that if you don't know we have a super chat feature I've had some emails from people not only suggesting that we get this feature. But also saying that hey, you miss my question. And they wanted me to answer their question time. I have time Email the back. Sometimes I don't I polish is this super super chat feature is if you if you want your questions now is the time where you can put out questions. Always ready question NFL related football related stuff. Like that. It doesn't matter. You can ask any Steeler question. If you hit the super chat feature on the right? You can pay any amount of money in your think, it's even like fifty cents even will keep your question highlighted at the top. So that I see. 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I think that I don't I hope let me say, I hope I hope barren is not a starter. Because not only did not think that he fits the roles inside linebacker and the Steelers system, I hope they draft someone that's a starter. And he can come in and be that that sub package guy. And that's not a bad thing. They run sub packages over seventy five percent of the time. So I'm not downplaying what Barron can do. I just hope he's not considered a star the other to their starters than fine with that. Absolutely. Let's see here. Do you think we will draft team? I think he came Butler in in round two. I would be absolutely fine with them drafting a wide receiver around two. They've had great success there. I still have hope for James Washington who is drafted in the second round. Juju was drafted in the second round. I think he would be really good addition. And he gave a chance to learn with the additional Moncrieff with bringing Rodgers back. He would and James Washington hopefully to coming into his own ear too. He wouldn't be thrust into the role that Washington had last year. I felt Washington was pushed out there. Little too much too early wasn't really ready for it. So I hope that they do. I would be absolutely fine with that. So. Captain underpants. Cats underpins, my kids love your books, by the way. I've I appreciate your work. What's the chances? We trade up into the top ten for Devon white. And you think about jumping from twenty to ten you're gonna have to give a lot up and so from twenty to ten year in a swap, I probably so you're gonna give up your twenty th pick to move up. You're gonna have to give up a third one of the that you have Franco Brown, and you might have to throw in maybe twenty twenty tick, you might say like to jump all the way up to the ten you might say, we'll give you are. I will give you third and maybe we'll throw in a two thousand twenty fourth or fifth. Maybe that'll be sweet enough to jump of the depends on your trying to jump in front of don't forget last year. The Steelers were trying to jump up in the draft to take I wanted to his what's his name the linebacker from Alabama ended up going to the titans who to jump up in front of they would have to trade with the Baltimore Ravens ravens were not about to do business with the sealers. And therefore, they didn't get the deal done. So you have to look at who they have to trade up for would. I be okay with it. Yes. They've ten draft picks. Trade picks away. I don't care be aggressive. That's what they need to do the Steelers to be aggressive this draft. That's exactly I think they need to be the chances that they do that. I think there's a better chance that they move up from twenty to fifteen to get Devon Bush. If feel like someone's gonna take him. But ultimately, I think that's a there's a higher likelihood of that happening. The annual what do you think is going to have who do you think's going to have more impact for the third year, boys? Connor water Jesus. Wow. This is a really good question in this might be one. I have to do a whole show on the third year boys as a third year, boys. It may have make shirt for that. By the current shirt, James Connors, Heckman Arbor, they're all going to have a heck of an opportunity, and you know, what you come to think of it this draft class might go down as a one of the deaths in the Kevin covert era. If they continue on their current trajectory in that is Judy Smith Schuster is playing well he's gonna have a chance to be the number one receive. Lever James CONNER has coming off a great year. Definitely showed some promise. It can duplicate that TJ wad continues to get better and better better. I don't know how you can answer. This question. I really don't. I mean, he every time. I look at a name. I'm looking at Connor looking at watch you. I keep on thinking of a reason why they're going to have more impact than the others. I'll say TJ wad because I think that he is going to be a dominant player. I think he's gonna follow the same trajectory of his brother in Houston. I think he's a superstar in the making period. I take away from Connor. That's not to take with juju. I think juju might struggle of it. I don't think his numbers are going to be as great as years. They were last year some stats might be better like touchdowns but at the same time yardage might be down. So we'll see I'll go with TJ. Wa that's a really good question that that's that's gonna make me think I'm gonna be thinking about that. Maybe it'll be next week show. We'll see. Vodka drinker is adding into the conversation that we've already talked about earlier in the show about if we can get two out of three two three players that we mentioned earlier, the new free agent pickups if we hit onto three that's a good deal. I agree there during especially with the Steelers free agency history Joseph as what are they going to do with Morgan Burnett. My guess is they're just gonna cut him. I don't think if there was a team that they coveted him enough. They would have probably traded for him already. Now the Steelers still could shop him. They could say, hey, you know, we don't need to move on him. Now, they can wait. If all of a sudden someone's starting safety gets hurt they say, hey will change your Morgan Burnett. You know for for many brothers sandwich. So you have that. And you're like, okay. So I don't think they're gonna changing with him. I don't think he's trainings cut June. I post university nation they'll save the most money that way. Let's see here. Guarantee. Your d think Mark Barron will ask for release if not a starter? I don't think. So if the Steelers are smart, and I say that loosely with all the reports come recently. I think that they hope they learn from the Morgan Burnett experiment in that is Morgan Vernet was not happy with how the role that. He was in. He was expecting to be a safety. They had him as that hybrid linebacker role. If they're smart, they told Mark Barron. Hey, we want to bring you in. We want you to be a sub pack guy. We're trying to draft an inside linebacker. So we're not asking, you know, we might have to ask you if there's an injury. But we don't want that guy. If they were smart, they were really, really. Be of from him. So that they don't have the same issues that they had last year. I don't think last release. Oh, Ron day. What about Justin Houston and Pittsburgh? This was something that got brought up a couple of weeks ago and one of our shows and. To me the fact that he's not signed yet. Now, I haven't been on Twitter and check by time line and said checked all the news to me the fact that he's not signed yet means one thing and that is. Teams. He's either asking for too much money or teams are really wary of his health because the last two years he's battled injuries last year. He only played in twelve games had nine sacks. That's pretty remarkable. You know, bud debris played a lot more than nine and or twelve games didn't have close tonight. So could they bring him in the price would have to be right in his health would have to be right as well. And that's that's the biggest thing is the price is the price because I think when the sealers finally renegotiated with Ben don't have some caps Chem some cap space. But at the same time, the one that you don't want to bring in damaged goods that's the same with Eric berry people as Eric berry. This guy's coming off an achilles yet it issues that last year. Thanks, but no, thanks. I know he's a big name. And that's what people want if I'm gonna pick one of the to the former cheese I'd take Houston far by far because even when he was injured and he came back. He still did get nine actually still has. He's only thirty. All right. So let's your. If you were Kansas City in Devon Bush, agreed Williams and Metcalf all veil, but he take this from captain underpants, again, I personally decay medcalf physical freak, you know. And I don't even think he was the best wide receiver and ole miss. I'd give AJ Brown. So I wouldn't take him. I would probably lean towards Devon Bush over-greedy Williams under snot crazy by the cornerback class in this group, greedy Williams, okays good, he'd probably considered one of the better Cornerbacks in the draft. But I think Devon Bush is a dynamic player. He has a tangible 's he's that sideline to sideline athlete that you want. And I think ultimately Devon Bush is a guy that is kinda rare anymore. He's a guy played wrong. Play the pass. He's three down player. He doesn't have to come off the field much. You don't find as the game gets more specialized players like him are slowly than the athletic side. They're there. But to get a stay on all situations. That's not as common. Greg says I want I see why people wanting to move up in the first draft. I think about it should be in round three to move back into the second. What do I think a Greg? I've always been a guy that says I wish the Steelers would be back more because don't dismiss the value of. Second round draft picks. And that's kind of what you referred to moving up in third because of that early third round pick from the raiders for in Tokyo Brown. They could move up into the second second round. There is still a lot of good talent out there. So in my opinion, if you don't see someone that you really really like then trade your pick away don't hate to say this. But don't take an Artie burns just because you have to take some on don't take its role. Edmonds. If you don't think he's if you think he's gonna be there in the second round, which a lot of was probably would've been trade that picks if you have a suitor and sees wants to jump back into the first round. And if that you might get another second round pick, you make it another pick later, you can manage this draft in multiple ways. And so. I'd be fine with them. Trading up in any round they traded up in the third round last year to get Mason. Rudolph was fine with that. So keep this in mind that when it comes to trades ever things. I gotta trade up. They can also trade back, and that's not necessarily bad things. So keep that in mind. Thomas of proceed the work here. He says that if burnett's cut after June first speaking about Morgan Burnett. He would this take four million dollars on their cap. That's one of the reasons why they would do it defeating the Steelers from the gaming duck. Do you think the seals draft to tight end to go Vance? I don't know a lot of tight end prospects that Iowa has a couple that a lot of people are talking about having seen them or or talked about them too much. I gets eat him drafting one not in the first round. I don't think that's a first second or third round pick personally. But at the same time, I think it's a team need Xavier grumble, they tended him dancing. Donald cylinder contract. They brought in a player. Shaughnessy? I think is name from Jacksonville last year. He played there. He's more like a blocking tight end. I think they could sue address tight in. I just don't think it needs to be day one day to pick for this year's in the upcoming draft. It's here cards as the Steelers new CNN office coordinator defensive coordinator agree with you on the defensive coordinator not gonna say the offense coordinator, they had a pretty good offense last year. Let's hear. If Devon Bush has gone do we Steelers go for a cornerback at twenty or is it we're trading back. Just kinda I kinda talked from Taylor. I kinda talked about that. I think if you have a cornerback Byron Murphy's and aim that they're greedy Williams. There's the I think it's devante Adams. I believe his name Georgia cracking if I'm wrong policies lot of players out there. I would say to you can take a cornerback as long as you think the dead guy's ace true first round talent in even that you picked up Nelson. I if you were to get a guy like a, greedy Williams, and you say look this kid's gonna take a little bit of time. He could play he could be that number four cornerback. He could bump a guy like Cameron Sutton, Brian Allan he could bump them off the rostering gonna miss anything. And so he could play an in learn and Joe Haden leaves he takes over and you have hit him Nelson. That's Atlanta Williams said on our show. On sundays. That's an ideal situation. He lands said that would be best for second round. Not a first round. It all just depends on how the chips are falling. And that that's the thing about this draft talk. We can talk to were blue in the face about what if this. What if that what if this? What of that? This varies are endless. I mean, what if Devon if Devon white goes in the top five and Devin Bush goes in the top fifteen next here, you are twenty in who's available. We don't know. So it all just all depends TASR asked do you think we need to look quarterback in this draft? I'm gonna say no because not only have the youngest probably outside of been Rosberg terms of the death. They probably youngest death depth chart and the NFL with Joshua Dobbs going into thirty Mason rough going to a second. I don't think you need to get quarterback. I personally if you listen to these shows any of the shows that I've done, you know, I really like Mason Rudolph. And I'm not saying that he's an expert in Rothlisberger. I'm not saying that he's the future. But Zanny could be in. He just hasn't had a chance. So I'm not picking a quarterback this year, that's physician that we're not gonna dress. But that's just me. Captain underpants. Sorry, I did not understand your questionably. I thought you've is Casey other in Kansas City. You men Kevin Colbert. I apologise that's my bad part of your as Stephen Nelson came the cheese. Kansas city. I'm a mind. Okay. Stephen ask do I think this trait up this year? I think that. Personally. I I want them to be aggressive. I wanted to be aggressive. But if you're going to be aggressive. I've said this a multiple times multiple shows I want the Steelers to get a player that his NFL ready on day one. I'm sick and tired of them drafting projects. Stop with the projects. All ready. I want you to draft a player that you can bring in. And they say, look, here's here's the role of the defense. They learn it. They pick it up quickly in their ready. I understand that when you pick twentieth. A lotta times as players aren't readily available. That's why said if you're going to be aggressive, and you're gonna trade up if better beaver player that is ready. That's all I'm saying, I'm fine with the aggressive nature. I'm fine. Trading picks. I'm five trading or back. The please make sure the pick is right. That's the only thing. You know, a lot of people were asking should they trade up in Keegan hill? The Steelers suck. Well, they didn't make the playoffs last year. But then again, a lot of teams in my opinion. If you didn't win the SuperBowl your team sucks. So unless you're a patriots fan, which probably our keep. Let's see your de'andre Baker is a cornerback from Georgia. I was close. I was close. Gimme a break. All right. Let's see here. Wow, Ron says special player. Twentieth pick. He's thinks Josh Jacobs running back from Alabama to get Connor some help with Jalen Zane. I'm not against drafting running back personally. I think if there's one knock on Connor it's his longevity. I guess to speak is he has two years and rebelled the NFL has yet to play in a sixteen game season when he's healthy. I love watching play. But at the same time, if you're hey can't be in the tub the whole time. All right. He can't make the club from the tubs of the Easter say. And so for him. He's gotta stay healthy. So taking some of those carries of him might be a good thing. So I don't know about this one player the referring to 'cause I I haven't watched a lot of college football yet. But at the same time. If he is capable I any any back if you need to get running back in the first round there. So many of those guys that are good and do things. Well that are in second third round even fourth-round talent. So keep that in mind Andrea at pick twenty what is the absolute worst case scenario? The worst case scenario is the Steelers run into the same situation they had in two thousand sixteen with Artie burns. And that is okay. You have your eye on one guy. And that guy was William Jackson, the third and the pick right before your is the Cincinnati Bengals and the Cincinnati Bengals take William Jackson, the third, and you don't know what you're doing next. You didn't expect it. You didn't seem like you were prepared for it. The worst case scenario is you have a knee jerk reaction. And then all of a sudden, you're taking a guy like already burns whose project who is raw and doesn't pan out. And you almost basically waste at first round draft pick. That's the worst case scenario. The best case scenario is you have options. Devon bushes. Still available. Maybe a cornerback that you like still available. Maybe an edge rusher is still available and you have literally take your pick. Okay. What do we wanna do? Here. We want this guy that we think he's going to be there in the second round. That's the best case scenario worst-case scenario would be a redo of two thousand sixteen. I'll never forget I was driving coaching at that time, and I used to coach springs fort, and I'm driving home. I have Chris Carter easter's now TK Pittsburgh exports. He's on the he's on the draft. He's getting ready to type up the article and listening to the coverage on ESPN radio and on getting ready to pull down my street. And I hear in the Pittsburgh Steelers select already burns cornerback Miami. And I'm thinking what in every single person that I saw at that time when I got home. I check Twitter, and it was just a a myriad of. Who what why when how over and over again, it was bad? That's the worst case scenario, in my opinion in some Isaiah trading back is the worst case scenario. I totally disagree. That would not be the worst case scenario. So. Someone asked would draft the outside linebacker chase win which he's from Michigan. Hey, he's a motor guy. That's euless Melkite or US until his draft nicks is he's he's got a high motor. He's got a high. Notre he's a hard worker. He someone I wouldn't take in the first round. But if he's around and in rounds two or three I think about it. Absolutely. They need help on the edge. Don't Domus acre of definitely need help on the edge. Let's see here. Have a few more questions before we call the show. A lot of people saying yet, definitely don't take a first round running back, and I agree with that. Thomas ways, providing a very detailed option trade back to twenty four. So the trade back four spots. They swapped their second round pick with the raiders they trade back to thirty three pick of the top pick in the third round maneuver up as you like that's not a bad idea. That's a lot of wheeling and dealing though as an editor of website. That'd be a nightmare an athlete nightmare. Will that would be one two three four at least four articles that out after right on draft trades? I'm all for a trade. But not wanna has maybe. Working endlessly. He that's what about the running back from Memphis. I wish I knew about running back from emphas-. I just don't I really don't. It's one of those situations where I think the Steelers have several positions of need entering the draft. I running back with you on that list, but not very high. I think the top would be inside linebacker. I think the second now would be wide receiver. I think third would be cornerback. I think fourth would be a mic accommodation of edge slash, you know, running back if you want to add a running back at that case, it's going to be interesting. It's gonna be really interesting to see where the chips fall. How things look when they pick it twenty if they move up prior to that will also it'll be crazy the draft weekend is nuts for behind the curtain dot com. And I do hope that if you stumbled upon this podcast in any way, shape or form, let's you're on YouTube, and you just typed in Steelers podcast, and we were one of the first ones that came up. And I hope that you realize that this. 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RTFF #341:  More Free Agency Moves

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RTFF #341: More Free Agency Moves

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You can hit me up on social media at Ross Tucker NFL, Twitter and Instagram. Facebook is Facebook dot com slash Ross. Tucker NFL last week Evan? We looked at the moves that had been reported as of Tuesday. Well, we're in a much different situation now because there have been a lot more moves that I want to get your thoughts on we'll try to hit as many as we can, of course, going right down through the rotor world, free-agent tracker, which is awesome. Speaking of awesome, by the way, having credit card debt, not awesome. And not something that you should have to deal with. Get rid of it light stream. I've been telling you guys about I tell my friends about this. I tell people are nanny I everybody about it has credit card debt. You can get a rate as low as six point one four percent APR with auto pay at light stream. So they'll go ahead. They'll pay off your credit card debt, and then you just have to pay them light stream dot com slash feast. 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I think the idea is probably, hey, let's let's at least be entertaining. If we're not going to be good. My question is what's his relevance and fantasy football. And what does it do for guys like Kenny stills? Devante parker. Yeah. I mean every year Ryan Fitzpatrick is becomes a factor in daily fantasy at one point or another. So I think that in that in that sort of a game that style of a game. He could be on the radar in play with. Devante Parker and Kenny stills, and maybe Mike just sticky. But you know, he's probably not going to start all sixteen. I think that's probably not a great bet. I mean, you just look at their offensive line right now. It's going to be hard for any off any quarterback to stay healthy behind their offense of line. They have one good offensive lineman in Laremy Tunsil. And a bunch of practice squad type journeymen types throughout the rest of the line. I mean, they are not they're not sold out to win in two thousand nineteen. That's that much. That's very much clear. They're trying to do a full-scale rebuild. Yeah. I think from a real life football standpoint. I think they have done, quote, unquote, better and gone after Blake Bortles for one year one one million dollars, and you know, wouldn't have cost them a compensatory pick. Which the Ryan Fitzpatrick signing did. But yeah, I think that at the end of the day, you're right. They wanted to they want at least give their fans something to cheer about. Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to do. He's just the classic boom bust high volatility player, and sometimes the results of his plays are really really bad. Sometimes they're really really good. And it can be entertaining. And I think he's probably going to develop some chemistry with. Devante parker. I think that that's the type of receiver that assuming devante Parker holds up his end of the bargain, and he stays healthy. And everything else. I think that we could see Ryan Fitzpatrick forming a bond with someone whether it be devante Parker or Kenny stills. And I think devante Parker with a lot on the line. You know, if he could grow up a little bit this season. I think that we could take kids see him take a big step forward. But yeah, I mean in season and regular season long fantasy not looking at Ryan Fitzpatrick and DFS we're going to be talking about them this year. Feels like it's been a long time. It was a week ago Evan but we recorded last week on Tuesday. So I didn't get a chance to get your thoughts yet on lady on bell. And the jets we transitioned into the running backs. We saw the jets offensively. Take a big step forward over the final month of last season. They actually opened through the first five games they were number eleven in the NFL and scoring and then the bottom just fell out on them. You know, offensive line really sorta hit the skids, and they suffered you too high ankle sprains wide receiver there too key guys quits, he noon what? After he suffered his Heikal spring is season was pretty much over into anything the rest of the year. And then Robbie Henderson also suffered a high ankle sprain. He finally comes back in that final month to the Sam Sam darnold has the highest QBR of any quarterback and football over the final four weeks of the season and the jets they almost beat the playoff Texans and that Saturday game, you know, they they rallied back from a deficit and. In buffalo two for a comeback victory. They went up to Green Bay big time shootout. And I think actually that game was in at the Meadowlands either way big time shootout against Aaron Rodgers a bleeding went to overtime either way definitely came down to the wire. And then they did have a bad loss in New England in the final game. But over the final month of the season. They showed a lot of promise offensively finally got back, robbing Anderson healthy, and they're out there playing with Elisha McGuire analyzer Maguire is, you know, kinda your your typical. I think replacement level guy who does everything all right in nothing, particularly great and lady on bell. And he was playing like a fulltime snap share. And Levy on bell. Does all of those things. Really? Well, so just automatically upgrading Elijah McGuire from versatility standpoint and the ab-. To you know, flex the guy out and use them as a receiver. I think that's definitely going to benefit the jets. I think he's going to be a hot topic fantasy pick. You know, will people be be willing to take him in the first round after sitting out a full season playing behind the worst offensive line of his career? You know with a quarterback that definitely flashed as a rookie, but also had a lot of bad moments. So I think he's going to be a polarizing guy in in fantasy drafts. And we're going to continue to I wanna see the jets add more offensive lineman. I don't think that they have enough. They need a student new starting center there. They're right tackle, Brandon. Shell suffered multiple knee ligament tears late last season. And I just I I need I want to see them add more offense ivine talent. But we will continue to evaluate the situation as we move forward throughout the off season. Yeah. I'm very curious to see how his super patient style that it feels like you almost invented works with the line. That's not nearly as good as what he had its Berg. I think he's going to have to make an adjustment. I was really surprised Evan at Tevin Coleman contract. I wonder if he got offered more elsewhere but wanted to be with Kyle Shanahan. I just I thought he'd get a lot more money than he ended up getting. Yeah. Only four point two five million a year on a two year, eight point five million dollar deal. He is still pretty young. So it at least gives him the chance to you know, maybe explode back onto the free agent market in a couple of years at the key will be twenty seven. But yeah, I was surprised that he didn't get more money than that for sure. And he went to a landing spot where he's going to have to beat out. A lot of guys mean the forty Niners. The bets are pretty good back. So at least they've got a lot of backs. One of them is going to be rookie mostaert who they resigned to a three year point seven million dollar deal. He's locked in after that. There stood special teams back in you can run it a little bit. But he's he's locked in. I think Matt Brita is absolutely locked in after averaging five and a half yards per carry on one leg last season all the toughness that he showed. He might be the best back on the roster. And then jerick McKinnon who knew they've already paid all of his guaranteed money and his salary becomes guaranteed on April first. So they've got a decision to make on jerick. Mckinnon not that he would be, you know, huge savings, but they can get out from underneath that contract. That doesn't look. So good right now annual void that that guaranteed salary by moving on from him. Before that, April first date went when the salary becomes fully guaranteed. But I think that those guys those are the central figures in this. They've also got Jeff Wilson who made a couple of starts last year and didn't embarrass himself by any means. But I think that at the end of the day we're gonna see Tevin Coleman. Matt breed up a third guy as a runner and then the fourth guy being Rahima stared. And then of course, they've got Kyle check. So that's a lot of backs. But I think the Tevin Coleman is going to get the first shot at being the lead back. I'm just I'm not convinced that he's better than Matt Breda. If not Brita string together a fully healthy season. I think the he might emerge as the forty Niners top back either way. It's not it's a convoluted situation for for fantasy football. That's for sure. What about Mark Ingram? And baltimore. I'm intrigued by that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think you set up for a lot of carries. You know? I think that he is like a better version of what they had in Kenneth Dixon. And if Mark Ingram goes down, they've got you know, that that lesser version of Mark Ingram in Kenneth Dixon. I think that Gus Edwards is, you know, a specific type of back whereas Mark Ingram and Kenneth Dixon a little bit more versatility. So I think that Gus Edwards's role is going to be kind of solidified as like an eight to eleven rushing attempt per game back and then Mark Ingram will be the lead back. And then Kenneth Dixon will be the guy who contributes a little bit. But. Mostly needs an injury to Mark Ingram to be a fantasy factor. I think that we can't expect a ton of targets in the passing game for Mark Ingram because. No one was getting targeted with Lamar Jackson under center down the stretch last season. And that was a big problem for their fantasy values. But I think that we can count on a lotta rushing attempts in and usage down in scoring position for Mark Ingram. So I yeah, I think he's going to be a rock solid Rb two in fantasy this year. Let's keep it moving and another running back that's back with his own team Adrian Peterson. What do you think is fantasy prospects after last year? So this was this a tough one to kind of process because just really doesn't make any sense for the Redskins. I mean the in it's nothing against Adrian Peterson. It's just why are you signing thirty four year old running back. When when you're you're the Washington Redskins. I I don't understand it. And it's more just kinda frustrating from the dearest guy. Sangle, you know, second round pick a lot of promise as a rookie. Of course gets injured. I think wrote reports and just videos that we've seen that Darius guy has put out suggested his recovery is coming along up pretty smoothly after he had some setbacks there at the beginning. But it's like. Do they not trust in various Geis's recovery is is that why they're resigning? Adrian Peterson is gonna come back and be there lead running back. You know, he's still really gives nothing in the passing game other than an occasional reception. And Chris Thompson is going to be back healthy. So it's not this is not a fun backfield to try to invest in in in best ball rim dynasty or in in any of these scenarios in. We're just gonna have to kinda see how things play out. What about finally running back latavius Murray with the saints? Yes. He this was an awesome landing spot for let's say this Murray, we talked about guys on the on the first podcast that might be a little underrated. That went in went into a spot where they could outperform expectations. I think the call us hide did in Kansas City. I think that might Davis did with bears. And I think that that is also the case for latavius Murray jumping into that. Mark Ingram role is going to be running behind one of the best offensive line's football. Now, the saints did lose max hunger. They replaced him with Nick eastern on a four dollar deal. They also drafted Wilk lap out of LSU. So they've got some options at center, but the rest of their offense of line is is Studly Andrus peat Larry warford the two tackles Ryan, ramczyk in Toronto Armstead Amine. This you want your running back in a situation like this on high scoring team will save you Murray. He's got double digit touchdown upside in two thousand nineteen going forward. This was a really really good landing spot for him. And I think that Alvin Kamara is going to be you know, what what we usually expect Alvin Kamara to be, and you know, it's just swapping out. All the tavis Murray for Mark Ingram. So that takes care of the running back. Let's get to the wide receivers. Evan because there's a lot of them. And we realized since we were just going through and discussing free agents that we didn't talk about Antonio Brown's landings about because he got traded rather than being a free agent. So we got to start this week. By what your forecast is for Antonio Brown free agent prospects that guy that's been unbelievably consistent elastic. Here's fantasy football. Yeah. I think the first concern that you can look at is it Tonio Brown's steep steep dip in production whenever he doesn't play with Ben Rothlisberger. Now. Derek Carr is better than Josh. Dobson Landry Jones, you know. But I think that in Tokyo Brown's splits within without Big Ben or for real. And they're a testament to the notion that we talk about frequently wide right wide receiver a quarterback on field chemistry, and you know, the trust that they showed for so many years. I that's going to be impossible to duplicate. And then you know, let's look at the quality of quarterback. Derek Carr is I mean. It is career six point seven yards per pass attempts. You know, it's not been a proficient downfield thrower throughout his career has not been just in Greg down feared field thrower. Whereas Ben Rothlisberger up above eight yards for passer tempts, and is one of the most aggressive downfield throwers in the league. I think a big part of internal Browns game is in the vertical passing game. And you know, with the way that the raiders have built their their receiver core tyrel Williams big count field threat, big run after catch guy to Antonio Brown vertical vertical receiver, and then, you know, getting a guy like J J Nelson as well. It's almost like they're setting up the receiver core for a different quarterback. Tyler Murray was was a very proficient downfield throw or especially on the run at Oklahoma Dwayne Haskins big dude with a big arm. I'll be. Very interested to see if they wind up taking a quarterback in the draft, particularly number four in China, and who would challenge Derek Carr in or allow them to move on from Derek Carr. Who has a really really big contract, you know, considering his performance so far. I just I think that that situation is just kind of fluid right now in Oakland at quarterback, and they may fall in love with a quarterback in this draft. But that's kind of my take on the raiders receiver core. I think that in Tonio Brown individually, I think he's going to be a second third round fantasy player. I think that he's going to get a ton of targets still. But I think those targets are not going to be nearly as efficient, and he's not going to be as much of a big place specialist and took touchdown scoring machine. So as opposed to being you know, a perennial top three fantasy receiver. I think we're gonna move see him move down toward the. The the wide receiver ten to twelve range. And where do you think Tyrone Williams false? Yeah. Not real high. I mean, he's not a guy that commanded big-time targets with the chargers. You know? I think that he I. I think that he frustrates coaching staff because he is he's a big toll receiver who doesn't make consistent plays in the contested catch game in his really more over run after catch receiver. That's kind of the that's kind of feeling that that I that. I have always gotten. So he's not been a guy that coaching staffs have like tried to funnel the ball to aggressively in terms of targets. I think he's going to be kind of similar to what he was with the chargers, which is kind of a guy who's difficult to predict week to week is gonna mix in some big plays. But is not going to be a reliable fantasy a contributor. Other receivers that we need to chime in on. There's a lot of it seems like this is the number one position golden Tate with the giants. I'm not convinced that there were other teams looking to pay him as much as the giants did. But they obviously had a need after Odell Beckham junior. Who was obviously who I'm going to ask you about next. Yeah. Golden tate. I mean, I think that he kind of does fit like the style of quarterback that ally manning is at this stage of his career. I think he's going to be you know, I think that the giants need if they're going to try to be competitive in two thousand nineteen which is it seems like they are than they need to continue to stress getting the ball out of ally. Hans as quickly as possible the longer that he has these holding the ball the worst. Their offense gets the likelihood is that he takes sacks or throws interceptions. So I think that they're just gonna wanna really focus on getting the ball out of his hands. Quickly golden Tate as a slot receiver can win early in the route. And I think that he does make some sense. I think he's going to play slot receiver for the giants in. They're gonna move sterling shepherd to the outside. And I think that's not going to be great for sterling shepherd. But I think the golden Tate now becomes the favourite to lead the giants in targets. I also. Think we need to mention Evan Ingram who has really positive splits. Whenever Oto Beckham has been out of the lineup. I think we could look at Evan Ingram as being a prime bounced back candidate this year. And also a potential top five fantasy tight end. I think he's gonna get a lot of targets this season. Wow. What about Odell Beckham junior? The huge trade that went down after we recorded last week your thoughts on what he does for that receiving core. And you can even throw Dimitrius Harrison they're just through the Browns receiving core before we even get to the tight ends for including both Odell and Dimitrius Harris. I think the Dimitrius Harris just isn't upgrade Darren fells slides right into that role, a younger better more athletic version of Darren fells, probably not gonna get gonna targets behind David. And Joe coop that could change if David joke who, you know goes down, then we're than we might be talking about Dimitrius Harris. But right now, I think he's going to be mainly a blocking tight end in the complement to David jokes. Oto beckham. I think is going to be the number one overall fantasy receiver in two thousand nineteen Baker Mayfield as a rookie as a rookie averaged seven point seven yards per pass attempt ally. Manning has not reached seven point seven yards per pass attempt in the last seven years pro football, focus had a statistic that showed that. Ally. Manning and just rated all the quarterbacks in terms of their ability to locate passes onto the body or hands of their intended target their intended receiver ally. Manning was dead last in the league Baker Mayfield as a rookie was number four in the league. So he's going to be able to throw guys open. He's gonna be. I mean, this is gonna be the best quarterback play that Odell Beckham has received in his career. So I think that he's going to be an absolute monster. I don't think he's gonna lead the the NFL on targets necessarily. But I think we are going to see the most efficient Odal Beckham that we have ever seen. I think. You will also help the efficiency of Jarvis Landry up. But I think that Jarvis Landry is targets are gonna take a little bit of a bit of hit a little bit of it. We're going to see him be a guy that is more like how driver's Landry was treated in the second half of last season, which was more of a five to seven target per game player in not the tend to thirteen target per game player that he flirted with early in the season. And that of course was in Miami. But I I do think that it's going to help the entire offense. When I think that this is going to be one of the most explosive offenses in the league there. I think that they're only there to concerns are the tackle spots with Chris Hubbard and Greg Robinson. Freddie kitchens did a great job of working around. The that those deficiencies in the second half of last year. They also faced a softer schedule. And you know, Baker, of course, was getting rid rid of the ball. Much more quickly after they moved on from Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson. But I I would like to see them in the draft bringing some competition at the tackle position. I don't know if you can feel real comfortable going into a season with Greg Robinson. Locked in is restarting left Dhakal. Number one receiver Odal Beckham junior. That's interesting considering all the other weapons they have by like it. I like it. We'll see us even tweeting stuff about he's going dark, and then he deletes it. I don't know. I'm a little skeptical still of kinda wear his heads at. But he is a very very talented guy. What about a couple of guys that the Bill signed Evan? Let's go to buffalo. John Brown and Cole Beasley where are you? On those two guys. Colby's Lee one of the one of the signings that I liked least during the free agency period from both a real life and fantasy standpoint I don't I I just do the style of player that he is really not fit with Josh Allen. Who's like, you know, a big boom bust power thrower. You know, that's not. That's not the kind of skill set that we're looking for really to match up with with with Cole Beasley, I think. John Brown does fit in with Josh Allen from skillset standpoint. Because in your one of Josh Allen, he attempted nineteen point seven percent of his throws twenty plus yards down field by far the most in the NFL where to Sean Brown. Excel getting open downfield. You know, he's kinda like. Like the the dog in the frisbee. He can go get it. You know? And I think that Jon Brown is that kind of player and. Josh Ronald as rookie had one one player kinda like that Robert Foster in undrafted rookie, and they had a lot of success going down the football field. I think that they can they now they have to those guys. And I think that's the right way to build around Josh island. Not to get, you know, big slow receivers that kind of enhanced his is completion rates heretical by you're just having wide catch radiuses. But by having guys who can run down the football field. Josh brown. I mean, he's not an accurate thrower. He's gonna miss a lot of throws to them. But man when they when they when they hit and they're gonna hit eventually because like I said John Brown can go get it Robert Foster can go get it. The knows are going to be really really big plays in potentially game changing place. So I think we're we're gonna see a lot of inconsistency continue from Josh on as passer, but he showed that he can be elite runner off from the quarterback position. And now he's got some at least respectable weapons. They also picked up Tyler Kroft to be their possession tight end. I would like to see them go after maybe like a no offense like a vertical tight end to continue to supplement. Josh Allens pass catcher core. Other receivers that I want to get into Evan with you include. Let's go to Dallas just happened last night. Randall Cobb one year five million is he a fantasy factor. I mean, I think to the extent that call Beasley was you know, so not really maybe like a la- last round or so best ball pick. I mean, Randall Cobb hasn't been good in hasn't been healthy for a lot of years in a row. Now, you still only twenty years old. So I mean, you can continue to hold on optimism on him. But. Not not not a guy that gets super excited about. I think that that offense is still going to be built around trying to force the rock to Amari Cooper. You know, they paid that price. I think they paid a big price forum. They're gonna be giving him a big contract soon. And I think that they they fell in love with the Mark Halperin. The impact that he had on their offense down the stretch last season and other all the other guys are just gonna be kinda complimentary guys in in a super run heavy offense where z q Elliott took a big step as receiver last season two. What about I'll give you like four more names? And you tell me if any of these guys are relevant in your mind. Dante Moncrieff with the Steelers Philip doors set with the patriots Cordell Patterson with the bears or Bush Perriman with the bucks. The first guy that you said, Dante Moncrieff, I think as a chance, you know, he's going to be a classic example of a guy that where I think that the coach speak in what goes on in OT as in training camp is going to matter because I think that for these quarterbacks especially as they start to get older. And they just always know what they're gonna do what they personally are going to do. And where they want you to be trust factor. Such a big deal. You know, we hear about it a ton with Aaron Rodgers we hear about it a ton with Tom Brady. And I think the same is the case with Ben Rothlisberger. Always had that trust in a B. I think he's got it with juju Smith Schuster. I think he's got it to some extent with Vance McDonald. He did not have it with James Washington as a rookie that doesn't mean that won't change in in in year. Two of I'm optimistic that it will. But I wanna hear like. Good things about you know, the the chemistry that Ben Rothlisberger. Dante Moncrieff are showing in practice. We've seen the Dante Moncrieff can be a big time. Touchdown score. We saw that with him in Andrew luck early in his career. He's been super consistent since the since the days of Andrew lucked, though, he he really has had a bismuth quarterback play particularly last year with. Blake Bortles in Cody Kessler. So that was any any still had some big games at times. He's got big playability. But I think that he could be a guy that kind of falls off quick in Pittsburgh or or catches on with Big Ben and Big Ben is always talked about how he wanted like a bigger receiver. He is. I guess he's talked about that lesson in recent years, but he always talked about her for a long time to talk about how he wanted a big receiver, especially after he lost Plaxico Burress. This gonna be the biggest outside receiver that he's had in quite some time. So are at least since Martavis Bryant. So I think Dante Moncrieff has a lot of upside, I think he's boomer bust. But I think he's got a lot of upside on repaying attention very closely to that on field connection, and whether it develops. Let's move on. Then anybody else that Cordeiro Patterson paramount door set that you need to mention or is that good now. I mean, it's another great opportunity for door set. You know, they didn't give him very much money. They might draft. Someone still Perryman is just kinda you know, he's I think he's going to be like a clear out guy. We we've got Chris Godwin. We've got Mike Evans got OJ Howard. I mean, those guys are going to need footballs in. I think the Perryman is gonna struggle to see very many footballs in Tampa Bay barring and injury to another guy. Tight end time. We already talked about Dimitrius Harris only three other guys we really need to mention one of which is Tyler I for back with the Bengals again. And man, I hope that that guy stays healthy. I really he was an awesome player. I mean, I remember they were years. We were talking about him as a top five tight end. And he was I mean at least for one season the year with thirteen touchdowns. Yeah. I mean, we, you know, we talk about Tyler I forever year. It's it sounds good. In theory. It never happens. But. We know that the potential is there. I mean, I think that even last season in what the five or six games that he played he showed that he could still play. It's just a matter of staying healthy. I really no analysis to be done beyond that. And I think that we've kind of determined that the percentage chances of Tyler I for staying healthy are probably pretty low. But we do know that there is risk in that there is potential reward there. The other two I wanted to ask you about. And let me know if they are fantasy relevant in your mind that all Jeff Hier men back with the Broncos two years nine million, Jeff Swain leaves Dallas. Now that Jason Witten is back. I don't even know if we talked about Jason Witten last week and Jeff swims Jacksonville. Yeah. Jeff Hier mid kinda kinda flirted with fantasy value last year with case keenum used them a little bit in daily fantasy when he was. Minimum price. He had a really big game against the Texans attend catch ninety four one touchdown game against the Texans. I don't I don't think he's bad by any means. And I think he's the clear flavor to start in Denver now with Joe flacco who leaned on titans heavily when he was in Baltimore, you know, you think of Dennis Pitta have ninety catch years on your own Daniels being a factor. They you know, they would always bring in tight ends as well max Williams, but he he targeted. A Ben Watson any targeted tight ends at a pretty high rate in Baltimore. It wouldn't be surprising. If that carried over to Denver, so yeah, I mean Jeff Hormann going back to Denver. That's actually one of the best case scenario landing spots that he could have had Jeff swim less optimistic. I mean, they're kind of trying to you know, rep patchwork together, you know, an offensive skill unit there with. You know, signing Nick foles signing Jeff Suame and bring you know. I mean, there's just gonna be a lot of. You know, a lot of like chemistry building to do in Jacksonville. None of those guys really know each other. 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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers WR Training Camp battle goes beyond Antonio Browns lost production

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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers WR Training Camp battle goes beyond Antonio Browns lost production

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of year. I said it and has always the program is hosted by yours. Truly Lance Williams before we jump into the program when it give a big shout out to my co host of the standard and standard, and the editor of behind still curtain dot com. Jeff Hartmann went to give a big shot out. Also to Bryant, Anthony Davis who's bad and I want to give a big shout out to the oracle of all Steeler, knowledge. Dave Scofield if you wanna download or subscribe to the program, make sure you check us out on apple podcast, Google podcasts, Spotify, and Stitcher. And also go to the website behind still curtain dot com. The best dealer website out there. We appreciate all the support that you have given us. And in this week's episode of year, I said it, I want to say the following replacing Antonio Brown will go beyond a simple training camp battle. Let me repeat that replacing Antonio Brown will go beyond a simple training can't battle. It's a little more complex when you break down the wide receiver position and the training camp battle in two thousand nineteen when you have to replace a player. Someone who was as productive as Antonio Brown. You're talking about replacing the production, but you also have to replace the snaps Antonio Brown, played about one thousand snaps last year, he played exactly nine hundred ninety eight snaps. But for this purpose, I'm just going to round it out to a thousand snaps. Overall the Steelers on offense played about eleven hundred close to twelve hundred snaps on offense. So you're talking about a majority of the offense of plays and snaps head Antonio Brown in some personnel, grouping now in this past Sunday show when we talked about the depth chart and offense on the standard standard, make sure you guys go check that out. And download last Sunday's program, we talked about what the Steelers are offense of -ly an overwhelmingly the Steelers most. Popular personnel grouping is eleven personnel. Simply that's three wide receivers rounding up some. They played in three wide receiver sets seventy percent of the time. So of course, Antonio Brown was was in that personnel grouping probably one hundred percent of the time the only time he wouldn't have been in that personnel grouping would have been in a Cincinnati bingo game or if he was getting a blow, or he was hurt. And we know you didn't plan at Cincinnati bingo game the last game of the season, so that's why he probably wouldn't have played again and one hundred percent of eleven personnel snaps. So what I should tell you right there is you have to you, you're going to have to replace seven hundred twenty eight snaps of AB in that personnel grouping by someone. In with the inclusion of Dante Moncrieff into the mix as a Pittsburgh Steelers. Deontay Johnson is well ally. Rogers coming back played a little bit in twenty eighteen coming back. You have about six guys that are going to have to be in the mixed sue to see who's going to be those three wide receivers. Now, we know juju was going to be one of them more than likely it's going to be Moncrieff in Washington as the other two wide receivers. So they're going to have to play probably in all those personnel groupings. So when you look at the personnel groupings to three wide receiver said, if you break those down James Washington, juju in AB plate in three hundred and twenty eight of those seven hundred twenty eight snaps. They played in fifty two percent of those snaps. So we're talking about a camp battle. The camp battle is. Is more of a battle in terms of who's going to play in which personnel, grouping more than likely the battle is going to revolve around, who's gonna play when it comes down to two wide receivers sets because an eleven personnel, which the Steelers are majority as a majority eleven personnel team. I think both of those guys are going to play. I think that's going to be your three wide receivers sit. You're probably gonna have juju Indus lot, and you're going to have Moncrieff in Washington as the x z juju will operate as the wide receiver or the slot receiver. So the camp battle is going to come down to who's going to be the two wide receivers or the one riot receiver opposite juju, when they go to any personnel grouping with two wide receivers because look at this breakdown with Washington ABM juju and I'm gonna give you these numbers and it may change. In some, although it does equal three eighty two because the titans may have been different. And so the way that the NFL list them, the personnel, the personnel grouping is the same, but the players inept personnel grouping are different. They ran fifty four snaps with Vance forty five with Jesse James in another allotment of personnel. But eleven personnel per eleven personnel, but different people in eleven personnel, forty one snaps thirty eight snaps. Thirty six thirty three twenty nine twenty six twenty three nineteen eighteen thirteen and seven so equal three hundred eighty two snaps to route up four hundred snaps. So the question is, when you get to twelve personnel and twenty two personnel. The Steelers ran twelve personnel one running back tight ends to wide receivers ten percent of the time last year, roughly ninety six plays they ran twenty two personnel. Two running backs two tight ends into wide receivers roughly six percent of the time or. Sixty plays. I'm going to round up for simple math. So we're talking about one hundred sixty snaps if you add one hundred sixty snaps to the seven hundred twenty eight snaps or seven hundred and thirty snaps of three wire receiver you're talking about close to a thousand snaps. So the can't battle is going to come down to. Who's going to be the wide receiver opposite of juju? When they play into wide receiver sets. And even if you were to I could get more granular with it. If I chose to, but you could take it down to another granular level and look at those personnel groupings and assess how many times they actually pass the ball as opposed to run the ball. So it might so you could make it even more granular. So will be fewer snaps as to when they pass out of those personnel. Groupings twelve at twenty two personnel who should be the wide receiver. Now, I, I mean, this is a lot of numbers. It's not Saana snaps you know, but it is close to sixteen percent of your offense of snap. So that's not a small chunk. It's not a great chunk, but it's not a small chunk either. So the battle will be there now also on that Sunday program, I talked about the three Ps pay production and pedigree. And how you can use the three Ps to determine who might get the chance or who might get the first chance to be that wide receiver in twelve or twenty two personnel, or when they run too wide receiver sets. If you look at pay neither one of the players, Moncrieff, or Washington are paid tremendously. It's not as if you're giving one guy, a huge chunk of your salary cap. So you're essentially obligated to play that player just on the just from pay perspective where you're paying a guy so much you can't bench the guy so you could scratch outpa- now. And in terms of production Moncrieff is never produced and never played in a Steeler offense. James Washington had an up and down season last year. But he does have production in the offense. He does know the offense and he does have a report with Ben Rothlisberger. And after Ben Rothlisberger called him out in season he did play better as the season progressed in play a lot better later in the season. So when you look at that p in terms of production, I think he's firmly in the lead over Mont. Krief given a fact largely because Moncrieff did not play for the Steelers last year. And in terms of pedigree. I think the Steelers because Washington was the second round draft pick will want to give Washington. The crack. More so than Moncrieff as starter into wide receivers sex, because as we've illustrators I've illustrated into pot and Wheeler straighted on Sunday in the pot. The Steelers want so much three wide receiver sets that Moncrieff will play a tremendous amount of snaps even if he doesn't play into why receiver schnaps or two wide receiver personnel grouping, excuse me, not snaps. So you could satisfy. Bringing him in as a receiver because you will play him a lot in that personnel grouping because it's run a ton. And even if you didn't want to run Moncrieff exclusively as the third wide receiver and three wide receiver sets you still have the flexibility to interchange with ally Rogers or Switzer and bring him off the field as well. Or bring Washington off the field. So either wash to 'em. Moncrieff could still be a part of a three wide receiver set alignment. So, because you run a producer a majority of three wide receiver sets Moncrieff is gonna play a ton of snaps. So as Washington, I think, Washington will beat the starting wide receiver, and too wide receiver sets largely because of pedigree, because he was a second round draft pick and because of production and because of his familiarity with the offense, I think he will get the crack I to do it. He will have to produce. Because when you bring in a free agent at a wide receiver position after you just draft the position it does say that the Steelers want more production out of the position because had Washington went out and bald last year. I wouldn't be doing a podcast about it, and there would be no question. And the Steelers would not draft the position as well with the anti Johnson and bring in a free agent wide receiver. They will give Washington. The initial crack at being the starter into wide receiver sets. But going back to the original question, replacing AB will go beyond a simple training camp battle. It's more so a personnel grouping battle because of player that play that many snaps. It's also about it. It's more so than just replacing the production. It's also about replacing the snaps. I mean you have. To get the stamps out unless you re tilt your offense and you don't pass the ball that much, but we looked Steelers personnel. You know, when you look at your grumbling Zach gentry as your backup tight ends, I mean, you're probably not going to run a lot of two tied in stuff. I mean you're just probably not, neither one of those guys are as good as Jesse James. So I think largely that takes a lot of too tight end stuff off the table. So you're going to run a lot more eleven personnel. I think the Steelers personnel grouping going into next year, we'll be exclusively eleven I think they may start out in eleven and shift to two tight end sets they they're going to be in a an eleven team. So being eleven team, you know, Washington is going to get a lot of snaps Moncrieff is going to get a lot of snaps again, Washington, we'll get the initial crack, but he is on a short leash, and I would not be surprised if he does not produce quickly in training, camp or quickly in season that Washington will lose that starting position. And the two Ps of pedigree and production won't be able to save him because he's too light on production, and they're going to move forward with Moncrieff and or some other option as that other wide receiver opposite juju Smith Schuster, but with that we're going to conclude the program, and has always tune in Tele friend and subscribe.

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Steelers Q&A: The biggest area of improvement necessary for the Steelers moving forward

Behind the Steel Curtain

34:30 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Q&A: The biggest area of improvement necessary for the Steelers moving forward

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It's Friday night I have never done a Friday night podcast here by myself this is usually Lance Williams territory with his Pittsburgh steeler fans what is going on this is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind wastage or wherever it all goes a long way I can't say that enough so steelers QNA let's start off things like running the ball well things like finally being able to drive the ball down the field and have some semblance of a deep passing game something this Jewish haven't had four thousand one hundred sixty in his land said this week the goal is five thousand by the end of the season I think that's very very what area of this team needs to be improved the most so for me I said last night it was tackling but the reason I said what their answer was I asked Dave I asked Brian what area of this Pittsburgh steelers team do you think needs improved the most idea how many people are going to tune in live on a Friday night the live chat starting to give flowing that's awesome to see I really appreciate everyone's support you get a chance to ask questions and hopefully I have some answers for you if we are struggling to get some questions going 'cause I have no again everyone going can get things juiced up a little bit on this Friday night celebrating the weekend early the question that I titled This episode it can be offense it can be defense it could even be special teams or I guess if you wanted to venture into coaching which I'm sure many will it could be coaching too turn for the steelers burning question leading up to the game on Monday night so qna style you should know what this is like by now this is where clean was probably because Dave and Brian chose ones were offensive categories that I probably would have had that above tackling on my list I do want to mention before we get started all of our podcasts the best way you can help us now granted I'm not GonNa Complain if you WANNA use the super chat feature which is Luger also subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet go to YouTube dot com search bts's steelers radio and subscribed the last I checked we had I believe at a concert tonight in you'll get Tuesday days of Lance Williams as he brings you either the yeah I said it tomorrow and then he'll do the was simple yet it's a little bit complex as well I ask this question on the steelers preview last night but I didn't really get a good feel from the live chat really in two thousand and nineteen even when Ben Rothlisberger was healthy so I kind of thought out of the box and tried to think okay outside of what they said what would be an area is that small little money sign next to the comment bore where you can write in your comments and you can donate any amount of money directly to the program it goes to the program we try you like hit the thumbs up button doing that helps get our exposure on youtube recognizes that it's all part of their algorithm to help us get more doable to give this video a thumbs up our mind you a little bit later on and if you listen only an audio platforms gives a good review give us a good rating whether it's I tunes Google they put it back into the program best as possible but if you don't want to give your money and I don't blame you if you don't the best thing you can do is to give this and then the wide receivers tough to disagree but the one thing about the offensive line I want to mention is that the offensive line is doing a tremendous job in pass protection they've only surrendered along conversions a lot of them come down to missed tackles so for me I said tackling but I really WanNa hear which you have to think because this this cute live sex and the entire season only five compare that to the team they're playing on Monday night the Miami Dolphins surrender twenty four already of improvement that I think that would need and I went with tackling because there's been a lot of miss tackles and they can be an absolute killer EC one of these third ridiculous the hell at the moment so yeah I think in terms of where they need to improve your pointing at the offense cre- who's a longtime listener of the show he says offense of line category Alex floors is running backs and then the wide receivers brandon with the obvious that's right they've played six games it's an average of four sacks per game okay Mark Davis and brings up Cameron suddenness tackling well yes but there's for today's all about I'm an asset question to answer you can ask questions at all answer so let's get started all right so saw the sheep 'em says the biggest improvement is the defense the offense need anger with Vince well considering the fact that Mark Barron as of Friday in this is not the final injury report as a Friday was still limited partic- moving forward period I think that it's one of those situations where Mark Barron I never felt was brought in to be an every every one I think there's two that are struggling so although yes we'll give Cam Sutton a pat on the back and say good job at the same time I think there's still a lot of room for improvement in when Vince Williams came back any was injected into the lineup he injected this defense with some swagger that they didn't have in all of a sudden you orange touchdowns of course that's where they need to Michael Tool brings up offense of line again he said they're fine they'd given up the fewest ACSI NFL. It's what I just we are in pass protection they're struggling in run blocking so take that for what it's worth I'll still keep an eye on these answers as they will lend but we have a couple of questions coming in a lot of depth there he's more athletic entirely Medicaid Age and so he got the start we all saw what took place after that there are teams like the ravens that are really good at kicking that high kickoff that doesn't get to the end zone distinct part of the NFL game and because kickers just kick it out of the end zone because it's such a gamble now to take it out of the Enza they basically rewarded mentioned that and one hundred percent but there it again I also look at the fact that they're just not opening up a lot of holes says great I return game is tough based on the fact that kickoff returns are basically becoming a ex sure all right brandon ass what do you think it will take for return teams to put an offense in good field position well first and foremost improvement and it might not always be noticeable he's a great communicator that's Keith Butler said in his media session this week that his ability to get everyone where they're supposed to be college football he was a top ten first round draft pick in now he's on the steelers so for me I think that absolutely Vince Williams bent I would say that you can expect Vince Williams Endeavour Bush on the field together on Monday night and I think that if if everything goes well that might be or do over that's that's what I'm really looking for because if they do that according to Brian Anthony Davis and I need to double check this according to him teams for taking a knee or letting go out of the end zone so in that regard I I would just be happy if it's in the end zone just neil it every time I'm sorry mark Barron got a little lost their mentally with Mark Barron actually being guy becomes in on some packages and and things of that nature you see Devon Bush playing a little bit different e c Mike Hilton playing a little bit different it don't think for a second that make of his Patrick in the back half has not made a tremendous and communicate from one side to the other is really really impressive in that's his pedigree went to Alabama played for Nick Sabin we all know about that program it is a tremendous play if you have good special teams in the Ravens do in so they can pin you inside the twenty-five where you would have gotten the football and that's tough if they were to get fifty sacks for the third straight year they'd be the first team in NFL history to do so. I I trust Brian I know Brian Personally I know he wouldn't say that down every day starter BBC's just me but I'd never felt that Mark Barron was brought in to be that Guy Vince Williams hurts his hamstring they don't have news and Devin Bush will probably be your do if they play well which they should I can see being together moving forward with Devon with them breath right now I honestly I've focusing on whether this team can get to fifty sacks for third straight year but on the flip side is apart returns I'm not sure what I'm really not sure what the heck is going on with their punt return teams I shouldn't be shocked it's never leave on the football team and so if they cut him and I think they will cut him it would be a huge indictment on the front office games like they had against Cincinnati earlier this season where they have eight sacks in a game seven six six game all this stuff in kind of banged up I look at him and say James Washington's is healthy. Why do we need Dante mockery they're just not using it the steelers don't like to admit that they made a mistake they never have they never will you that's tough there on pace but we'll see they're gonNA have to have had these past two years a couple David rather throw deep Johnny Holton than they would Dante Moncrieff Dante moncrieff was is the highest highest paid free agent okay snowman gives us five dollars tips appreciate that Snowman he said do you think the steelers will break their sacred well that's a tough one all right to admit they made a mistake in if they cut him they would miss that they made a big mistake I don't think fans will be on their back are we ten so for me I look at this this team right now especially James Washington even though he was a full participant in practice on Friday with him being kind have to have those big outputs to get those high numbers and they've had those so far I gue- obviously I've mentioned the Cincinnati game they had eight sacks and they're going to have to have another performance like that three spots on the fifty three roster come down the special teams and so he is he's absolutely valuable in that regard signing him in the first place but I don't think anyone in the right mind is ever watched football that's ever watched on moncrieff play would have expected have been good but at the same time I guess I expected a little bit more we'll see how that pans out but it's a really good point specialties putting the offense with good few position we've talked about so much if they release Moncrieff by week ten they store to do anything this week they don't do anything next week they just have to release him before this to happen when it comes to Pittsburgh talk about a horrible start to a career in preseason he has that one catch one fumble and he which is maybe one time they would have been based on the fact that they would know why they cut him you say hey we have to cut this guy because we need that they're around draft maybe against Miami eighteen surrendering four sacks a game the offensive lines aren't very good I will they be able to do without steph onto another question so turning point in that game he did make if he finally made a catch against Los Angeles week six it's just not worth it for me it's just not worth risk this year just like moncrieff but he does play special teams remember that a lot of times those fifty three those fifty one fifty two fifty on a platform like our podcast unless he knew was true so if that's the case I'm rooting for them harder to get fifty will they get their record to beat the record it at all so let's see we have a couple of other questions to get through here creases why do you think the Pittsburgh thinks so highly of holden he hasn't done anything for oh it's interesting I think I'm looking forward to them trying to get fifty I don't think they break the record but I do think they said a new record by having fifty sacks for three years we can ask any question that you like and I'll try to answer as many as I can if you want to use the super shed feature again it's a small little money sign to the bottom right of the common bar nick period and so people understand that I don't think anyone would complain about it I don't think they would complain about cutting him I think they would complain about it the next question Alex is do you think it's possible to let go of concrete and pick up someone else it's always possible For instance they would gain that third round draft picks Vince Williams who is struggles and coverage is a great blitzer ingrate run support look at Mark Barron struggling and covers out of the game then all of a sudden the regular season starts he can't catch anything second weekend Seattle is when the ball goes through his hands his helmet gets intercepted Bush at Barron based on one thing and I said this to Lance Williams if you're looking at this Pittsburgh steelers defense and you're saying well judge not a great blitzer to someone's as a little under size in run support you play Vince Williams if you're going to have and you can put any amount of money Oh guaranteed get your question answered so mark says Do you think the the defense will play more Energy Rebecca for me it's a no brainer at this point and hopefully it'll be that way moving forward that's what I think I think that the Devon Bush invincible Liam's duo Barron 'cause he's better in coverage where's that film because I haven't seen it he struggled and coverage this year and so I look at it and say if you have mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches we're now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken yeah I said it lands busy and so you got me for the third straight night lands on the other hand he is that's probably why they said they think so highly of him Michael asked you agree Bush and Vince or better than Bush and Barrett then is a great communicator in his defense subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP all right Alex ask who is the key to the defense and offense be Mason Rudolph at the quarterback coming off the concussion coming off the bye week at high expectations for him as well as James Carter Kenny continue to carry the load factor on defense was none other than make if it's Patrick going up against his old team you know he's the guy that said he wanted out they said that he wanted he wanted a fresh start he got it time to prove that you made the right decision I think he makes a couple big plays on offense I don't think anybody could say anyone other than one of two players uh-huh every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants we warren middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then both players sees me struggling run support than you might as well play the guy that can also stop the run and play the guy that's also a really good blitzer and putting pressure on the The wind to win Monday night I've said this on our show last night the steelers pre rebecca check that out by the way Myself Dave and Brian I said that the waves can't play because he he struggles in coverage okay that's that swell not everyone is at then if you look at it and say well we're GonNa play who I think you guys can agree or disagree in the live chat that's what it's for Gregg as it's a great question is the quarterback play holding back wide receiver production we'll be the duo for the Pittsburgh steelers moving forward hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny Listen Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says here in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all already Baruch's Ms Ms Moore the quiet type like Bush is right now I do think right now that the bush in Vince is better than you know as easy a true number one wide receiver that was the question that we were discussing and the fair base wants to see this was brought up when Lance and I were talking about is is Juju Smith Schuster a true number one be a rookie based on the fact that he didn't even dress once in two thousand eighteen is rookie season and so now he's learning on the fly he's learning how access and I hope that makes sense I hope I not just like jabbering on about nonsense if he's thinking too much about where am I supposed to be or players that have little to no experience in the national football league is a starter I know that Mason Rudolph is not a rookie but he might as well I honestly don't care I they have to do it because if you don't press the ball downfield and they're just GonNa crowd the box stop the run and dare you make that throw that's a scary proposition for the opposition scary proposition for the opposition say that five times fast because think about what he's done so far get ready for teams like the Ravens the Patriots in it's tough that's really tough the seahawks San Francisco Forty niners all very good defenses all the time you know for me it's just as intermediate routes believe or not if you go back and watch the Baltimore game he was hitting those see the tip of the iceberg terms of Devon Bushes overall athleticism his overall playmaking ability and when you think of it that way is going out there reading the play reacting hitting the whole hard baking tackles flying all over the field we are just now going in week eight starting this six turnovers two interceptions is top ten in the NFL in terms of tackles the only rookie in the top ten they can claim that he's making plays he's always routes I'm talking those fifteen to twenty passes down the field yeah they should throw deepen yeah they should give them a chance and yeah if he is actually intercepted Carla time but I haven't seen it yet since he's been with US sometimes there are there are some players Michael did the mental process slows down the physical on the football therefore he's only going to get better he's only going to get better and so I think Barron was maybe a little bit add paralysis unwanted receiver but there's a huge caveat or a huge asterix whatever you WANNA call it to this and that is the fact that he is catching footballs from a player be drastically better but it might be a little bit better Michael says what do you think happened to bear and if you watch highlight some of the plays he makes her awesome and he has am I getting everyone because they remember one time the green dot on his helmet he was the guy that was communicating everything to everyone else and so when you're the green dot e you've a lot of responsibility to game plan it's not that he's ever game plan but the NFL is a different beast he's coming from the big twelve they don't play defense in the big twelve analysis so it's going to be different but at the same time I think the yeah you could say that the wide receiver production if Ben Rothlisberger healthy it might be a little bit better I'm not GonNa say that I think there were times where he was baby thinking things too much not just reacting you see this with Devin Bush now Devin Bush just play he's literally eight for anything other than just basically just haven't done it yet so when I do get it I wear for sure I will work absolutely it's time for this team to step up so here's my question for you all in a live chat right now the question is hopefully see a streak of two but I also think this team could go on a little run especially if they start playing up to their capabilities and I I really let's see here see questions here I'll ask you guys a question more waiting occupy the offense the Pittsburgh steelers offense has been underperforming the entire season even when Ben Rothlisberger is a quarterback it's time for them to step up time for that defensive continued doing what they're doing but it's time for the offense to really make a stand and really put a an exclamation point on their body of work so for me here we go mark asked a question for gets of my question ARCS has week eight or team is getting healthy is this the beginning we see a winning streak of games I definitely think of other questions from the Friday nights six pack here we go the steelers are averaging just over twenty points a game right now offensively averaging a lot of people are saying over I agree with you I say over as well no doubt about it okay let's go with the four I put this in my Friday night six pack on the website behind Suker Dot com check it out the numbers for over under in that is coaching thirty points per game which used to be the the go every year at you know under my under Todd Haley so twenty is the number right now twenty points a game where do you think that this team needs to be in terms of points per game for them to be considered not just with their offense considered to be you know what you all think so far we see Michael Mark while mark says eight King says over Lexus over the anyone sax on Ryan Fitzpatrick on on Monday night football did you go over there did they go under I set it at four because that's the ad he is being pushed at four sacks or maybe three maybe they hit Fitzpatrick Tom they don't get to them remember that's going to be something to keep an eye on you have to try and make that throw once in a while Alex says did you get your Mason Jersey if not really where I have not gotten to Mason Rudolph Jersey yet not really saying under Alex's over by three as you guys are seeing a big file over over over one saying under I could I could maybe bring this up vodka drinkers don't forget about a terrell edmonds complementing Bush's play there are some aspects of this defense they get think he is playing better and therefore you know Kudos to him he might not be making the splash plays it you wanna see that just might not be his mo the hopefully just by analysis will say thinking a little too much says what I think Snowman's Asu sewers that may refer deep I don't necessarily WanNa see him throw d with plus passing yards what's your stat line for Mason Rudolph in this game coming up does he have three hundred tasks Marxist twenty six with a lot of defensive help twenty seven so a lot of people were saying that you know it's it's one of the other now Dion says thirty points per game snowman twenty two points that's not that drastic from what you're seeing right now another twenty seven twenty five thirty one twenty just over twenty points per game in a scored three in week one so there are actually not doing as bad as people think here's some other numbers the trigger so you wanted to get rid of me as much as I want to get out of there I'm going to show you guys what you're missing how many turnovers does mega have a hand in noticed and now a definitely be one of them for sure I think Thrill Edmonds is playing better some might disagree if he's playing at a first round draft pick level he's going against his former team you know he wants to stick it to him you know he wants to say you guys hey you wanNA trade me I wanted to be traded but you all Washington what I think James Washed absolutely gets finally gets a what do you think in the live chat right now we have a few minutes left for Mason Rudolph to seventy eight three touchdowns it'll be great to see I really hope that he lives up to all these except the eighteen of nineteen in yards does Heathrow for more than two touchdowns does he throw interceptions what do you think for instance I'm GonNa Guess that I'd see Lexus three I think it'd be awesome to see him get a bunch here's a good question for Mason from Brandon reese it I feel like Mason is going to have three hundred passes wants to be a ridiculously long show here we got some stat lines coming in Mark Says Twenty three twenty seven for two forty no touchdowns mark I'm surprised I think he would probably get one to sixty five and two touchdowns to sixty five to three twenty five and to win that would be a big night for bridge the dolphins average surrendering four sacks a game right now do they get more than that go under that I want to know from you can put it oh you can where do they need to go put that number in the live chat right now so k. horses twenty-seven the jokers is twenty five points per game and you gotta remember they they have instead he be I'd like to hear your explanation for that he's eighteen nineteen for two hundred and four hundred yards maybe just a game manager is that what you're thinking I'm not sure so yeah let's see in that turnover says a lot of people saying to three for some people check at twelve is one I agree with that I think one I could see him getting an intercept let's make a fitzpatrick's M. L. which by the way how many turnovers you think make of it Patrick causes this Monday night against the dolphins at Heinz field a hundred and fifty all perpetrators for Connor I think that's a good stat line absolutely good fire away he wanted to take a gander or a guest I should say edge Jeans Turner Fumble Recovery said the I would love it if people like cre- who is three Mark Davis is to you know there see here a lot of three twenty five and three Td's two fifty and three ts three zero six and three touchdowns whoa change to have a hand in so for instance if he causes a fumble he might not recover that fumble but he forced a fumble therefore he would have a hand that's mark king says conner eighteen Russia's eighty yards fifty five receiving yards I like that I I think that's going to be more of his his you bet over under whatever let me on the live chat with you think the seals have four or more sex or whether they have less than for it will be really interesting to see conor stat line coming up overnight vodka drinker doing miss this puts six dollars and sixty six cents I don't look at that as being satanic I look at that as a bunch of wanting to be super safe and do check down check down check down and four yard pass for your past then he's not going to turn the ball over but if you want him to drive down the field he's GonNa big did I said this the other night I think that as a rough does go over three hundred I think he threw three touchdowns one James Connor in the other two I think he gets James a capable unit I'll put it that way I'm not suggesting they're going to be with the top of the League or anything like that I don't think they're going to become closed area numbers in front of me he's a we just have to choose our shots downfield if it's picked is just as good as a punt let's play football steelers I think it's time that museum I'm not saying I was happy use it but they just never used as a fullback acceptance specific situation so I'm excited to have him back about Knicks He could be back this Sunday or Monday goodness gracious Jeff Yeah he can be back and I think that's going to be really really interesting to see on and know how to handle that situation for sure I have the people Some people throwing in James Connor Stat Lines Carter has his first one hundred but at the same time well there's all these other things going on and Mason Rudolph were to throw interceptions they'd probably be lid well it comes with the territory if you're is he you know picks up the forest fumble any runs it in for a touchdown do does the steelers defensive pay dirt in week eight let me know what you I'll be even more excited when he actually gets repetitions at fullback in not just as a special teams guru or goal line or short yardage so how they use him or do they use them because everyone's excited about next I'm more excited very special teams play because as of right now if Randy feeders calling the plays Rob Day if he has that day heck yeah that would be awesome here's another good one let's talk about this while we finish the show how many points scored by the defense I have to take some risks he's got to take some shots so you can't be upset with the interceptions as a key interception that's different no the situation notes with an elbow so you might as well they were fine with it then that's what I will get you never these fans are like I have banned he's GonNa throw some picks he's a gunslinger and all this stuff much still remember if you want to help the program give this video a thumbs up give this video a thumbs up Comment yeah no this year is it all purpose yards you know increases one hundred thirty all purpose yards for that Dante Harris Benny Snow junior steals the show ride hey do this do the divas actually add total to the office of stats do they get a touchdown I la Devon Bush in Los Angeles we six keep that in the back of your mind so to kind of recap of things here answer questions really happy that we had almost one hundred people on a free you think it'll be interesting to see I think they do did predicted they're gonNA have one defensive touchdown and so some people are saying they're

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Steelers Hangover: Do the positives far outweigh the negatives so far in 2019?

Behind the Steel Curtain

35:46 min | 2 years ago

Steelers Hangover: Do the positives far outweigh the negatives so far in 2019?

"Borderlands is back shoot and loot your way through mayhem fueled adventure. And borderlands three blasts through new worlds and enemies as one of the four new playable vaulters each with deep skill trees abilities and customization play solo or with your friends to take on insane enemies score loads of loot and save the galaxy from fanatical threat. Mayhem is coming September. Thirteenth on PC Xbox One and PS four preorder now to receive the gold weapon skins pack at borderlands dot com. Low. Maybe. I'm in beer. Live from long. Miles to go before we sleep. Oh man to. And I'm so not go gently. We're going to unleash hell here and do something. Second week of June in two thousand nineteen there's no football going on. But we behind still curtain dot com house Steeler, fever as always, and we wanna spread our germs on St. you good evening. My friends. My name is Brian Davis as always, you're listening to the post game twenty four hour extravaganza known as the Steeler, hangover, of course. No games. But plenty of stuff and dealer nation to actually get excited about now last week. You know a little hot under the collar. There are a lot of negatives. But something I've thought about and was seriously for to me on the comment section that there's plenty to be really excited on two hundred nineteen and I consider myself, usually the optimist Steeler nation. And one of the people that always looking at the bright side of life and I went away. From that. And I feel great coming back on the other side this week. So join me as we go ahead and do that. And as always one of my best dealer, friends, the wouldn't only twenty you know, from its for Ramia is joining me tonight. Toaster. What's going on, man? Hey, Brian happy Monday as always. And I'm glad you came back over to the positive side and. Yeah. You know, I'm a Steeler length for a little bit. What am I Tony? That whole office burger number eighty three thing got everybody kind of excited me too. I was I was pretty pretty amped up about it too. You know, but we got through it. We got through it together. That was last week. You know what we did? And I'm feeling good. And like I said, he'll my kids, I got mad at my kids, and I tell you, I'm Ben and I told him tell him I just talked about. But now, I'm I'm like thinking about all the great things that happen with Ben under center at the helm. And I'm feeling so good about this season. Tony, you know, not much Steeler news this week, just, you know, the with mandatory coming up and everything we had Steeler departure this week and someone we thought was retired for at least a year or two, but a nice sendoff, and you wrote an article about it. Tell us about the other number. Fifty five one Arthur moats. Today. Last time he played for Pittsburgh with twenty seventeen but he I guess he tried to play for the cardinals last year. But he was he was hurt, but it was just a great guy remotes and you know, it was nice to see him get a send off because, you know, guys like him years ago, like I wrote today when I was growing when we were growing up guys, I can't retire all the time and we wouldn't even know about it 'cause, you know they were just doing him players role players, but he was such a great has such a great personality so involved in the community. And, and it was nice to him. Get a fitting send-off for a career, you know, six round pick. He got the most out of his abilities. He played nine seasons. I hope he has a great future in store. Then you know what I expect to see a lot of Arthur moats as a feeler you know, he started on tour with the Buffalo Bills, but the he is a Pittsburgh Steeler. And it looks like he's going to be doing some broadcasting in the Pittsburgh area, and he has let you said he has a big personality happy retirement to him. But one of my favorite Arthur stories was, he was in a restaurant with his family and the song renegade came on any immediately started recording it singing along with, like this, the Steeler jam and he was just singing and going crazy. And I'm like, this is the guy who's bought in this is what we rooting for guys like this that our team I that are not just team. First team community first Steeler nation. I enough that are for most was, so I wish him happy retirement. I always feel a lot of him coming back as well. And though he wasn't a part of a Super Bowl winning team. You know, there were times when Arthur moats came up big for that team. And I really enjoyed it. I valley so you'll could for him. Tell you what you have going on this week in Steeler nation. As far as articles. Yeah. I Kevin over the weekend about the eighteen game season there, it's always looming over us as fans and players for some reason, it's a, it's a negative but I think I think it's, it's, it's inevitable 'cause they has been wanting it for a long time, and you're probably going to get what they want eventually. So I think I think if you can happen sooner rather than later, and that's one of the things I wrote about. And of course, I write about the, the Arthur moats retire. To singing as things that I'm going to be writing about, but I haven't gotten around depending penny knows yet. So you'll be hearing a lot from me this week. I think. You know what I have a lot of work to do? And I have a lot of cool stuff coming up to. But you know what only the big thing for me about that eighteen game season? I would love to see it. In fact, I love regular season games. Of course, you know, the owners, of course, wanted and there's nothing to be any change in games. It's just going to be more people attending games instead of the preseason games. So that's one x one less preseason game. So, you know, they're gonna knock him down to two one less home preseason game excuse me. So nothing really changes except for a whole lot more revenue for the fans. It's great, but I could tell this is going to be sticking point for the players, especially I mean 'cause a lot out and do twenty one gonna happen. And this is definitely going to be at the forefront of it. You know, you think about it, and I know it's going to change a little bit this season. You're gonna see a l-. Lot more Steeler starters increase season. I presume based on a lot of things that happen, especially with Antonio Brown playing a lot of people not playing Ben not playing a lot in preseason and that rough factor at the beginning of the year, the first couple of games is very present. So I think that's something they really want eliminate but two extra games means to extra weeks of work that it's more likely to get hurt. Because some of those guys won't be don't play four four full orders. Some of them don't play one full quarter in those preseason games of, but it gives them gives them a lot of chances for trouble to be abound. But it also gives more players chances and Ramon foster came out. And I thought within being a player rep, it would be something that he'd be against it. You really wasn't. He's like. You know what we get paid? We'll go out there. Whatever it is. I mean I don't care. We'll play I remember Heinz Lord years ago when the specter of eighteen season came out, he was thoroughly against it, but, you know, you never know what's, what would happen, here, it would that's going to be a key issue, though. I would like to see eighteen games. But if I'm a player, I would probably think differently, what do you think you if you're a player would you be upset about this, or would you relish the opportunity? It's funny because listening to the representatives every two the play representatives, you would always just assume that, that they were against it. You know, it's according to said, it's like you're adding eight extra games over the course of players or something like that. I forget what, what, what the exact was. But, but Phil Simms said, you know, I read a crow from him the other day that included in the article on this podcast that, that if you if you get if it was up to, to, to the vote of like every player in the. Players, they'd probably before because they don't make as much as superstars and it's two more game check. And it's pro rated. And according to him and might be something that, that, that your average player actually wants because it it's more money. That means so much more to them than it, would, you know, have been Rothberg who's, who's, what making thirty three million on his, you know, guarantee money on this latest contract? So I think you know, it's kinda change my mind as far as what the players want. I always believe that they that they didn't on it. But, but, you know, the average player might want that. That's a very good point now out of the fan. It's win for me, but here's a question for you. A what what this really do as for as the schedule goes. So the, the one the only negative for me is the fact you've got thirty two games. I should thirty two teams. And I know I can tell you the schedule right now thirty teams in two thousand forty six if it's the same because you just know them. I know the formula, I know who the Steelers would be playing in two thousand forty six if I would just sit down and, and do the math and figure it all out. But with the worst for me is do you remember we're the same age? If you remember the eighties, man, it always seemed memorial excuse me, Labor Day weekend, and even in the nineties Labor Day weekend. Seeds. And stored it. And I know that's a big he's in store for NC, double A. And that's one of the reasons they moved it back to the second week of September. But the would you foresee the season starting maybe the second actually the third week of August now? Would would that be a possibility or the last week of? I don't think it would it would be. Remember that way because otherwise I'm guessing they're gonna wanna have have an extra by week in there because of the, the two extra games. You're going to get the players an extra week off. That's just my guess. So if they if they start at the same time, they always did, and you're looking at what the Indus wary for the Super Bowl. I don't think they wanna go that late 'cause it's red up against the start of the new calendar year for the NFL. So I'm thinking, yeah. Maybe even middle August just because they're gonna wanna give college its own platform, you know, for Labor Day. So I'm thinking they might say might start it round the same time that they play the third preseason game. Let me first something like that. So I could definitely see that because you're not gonna like I said, you're not gonna wanna go to deep into February. So I'm guessing like, maybe August nineteenth August twentieth somewhere in there every year, which I mean it's only two two weeks earlier. So I, I don't see it would be. I don't think it'd be that big of a deal. I think it would almost logistically, you have to do it that way. That would be mazing. I wouldn't have fully love that as a fan because the preseason games. You know, for me the preseason games are hard to write for anyways, and I don't really think need the brief in games, and we need tamp in their figuring out. I know for some players, I mean preseason games are paramount and their guys that, that actually make that team in week four, but there'd be it would be a welcome scenes, the other thing for me is just the fact that. You know, get full back soon as possible. I I wouldn't love it in. I don't wanna be going late into February as well. I was not a big fan of two by week and we had that, I remember, I think it was the early nineties they went to, to buy weeks. And I don't think they did it too long. But that was brutal. Because, you know, me, you hear me complaining all the time over the last couple of years of working together, how much I hate the by week, but it's necessary these players need it. I just I just can't stand the week of feelers. That's just who am. I complain about the even though you spend the entire season hooping they get a bye for the play offs. I hate that by week when they're not playing brutally but that's just my own selfish reasons. But I didn't even think of to buy weeks, but it would make plenty of sense. If you were adding two extra games, and I think that would be something really very smart. So good insight. I do appreciate that totally. You know, like I talk about the negative we talked about a lot of negatives last week. And somebody brought this to my attention. And somebody, I really thought about we were going to have a show and I mentioned it all about you, and, and the positive of, of a juju Smith, Schuster and. And we're just gonna talk about the positive of the season as a whole. Do you think all of Steeler nation is completely over for the most part, the departures of lady on Dell and Antonio Brown and they're starting to feel better each week about this two thousand nineteen season? Hey, I'm Spencer hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast. Your avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script to riff on what that means and basically, what I mean is soul. Every tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling, too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then, like mascot fights announcers, fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football, exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. I think I think they're getting there. Yeah. Because, you know, you don't hear much about either one of those guys anymore, as far as how they, you know, you know as far as their careers here. I mean, here here's the things about about Levy on Balboa stuff. He was going through what is, is girlfriend, jewelry that kind of thing, but everything friends. Harbors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't wanna I don't wanna say, but yeah. I know coming out and saying hookers he doesn't know their name. They're not your girlfriend. Yeah, he's actually really good point. That's rule of thumb, Tony. If you don't know their name, you can't take the call them your girlfriend. Right. Especially if you have to over at the same time, it's probably not probably not good for him. But it's very, very already on my Seriously? Yeah. Jewelry, but as far as as far as as Steeler nation moving forward. I think they are. I mean, I think it's natural this time of year to have optimism and you hear so many great things about about what Dante Moncrieff, but he said about working with Ben how he's such a great quarterback. And he can't believe you know how technically is never easy here this things about him, which is refreshing. And then, of course, the rookies and you're hearing great things about Devin Bush, and, and Benny snow, and so on, and so forth. So, yeah, I think we're moving forwards, obviously that can all change. If if you know the regular season doesn't start out the way we want it, but, but as right now, I think we're all excited about training camp. Let's talk about confidence factor. And we mentioned juju earlier in before I get to what I wanna get about just his community contributions, which are just absolutely amazing. I wanna talk about his contributions in two thousand nineteen. This is a big jump for Jews for Schuster. He had almost fifteen hundred yards last year. He was the second leading receiver as for his number of catches. This guy is he looks ready to go ahead and take the mantle but. On the other hand, you had the fact that he was playing next to it superstar and the last game of the season, he did not write it up numbers because all of a sudden the game plan changed. We've intone your Brown out of their what is the confidence factor that you ju Smith Schuster is a true number one receiver. Because for me even aside, this factors that I just mentioned. I really think he's gonna take the mantle and run with it. I think it's very high based on based on his college reputation for being a hard worker. He's basically the total package as far as receiver. You can run routes. You can catch, he he's, he's big, you know. So obviously, he's he's obviously already demonstrated three times. They they can take the ball ninety yards. Plus, he did that over his first two years three times. So I think the confidence I and you mentioned the Bengals game and that performance and how the offense was kind of stumbling along there for most of the game, but I don't think they were expecting interning Browns not being there either. That's kind of a, a, a huge thing have to deal with out of nowhere. No. You know. You give you give living if you Schuster entire offseason prepares number guy, and you and you surround him with people like Moncrieff like some rookies like Vance McDonald. And I think I think things will be better. I think right now the confidence is, is high as it always this time of year, but I think judy's real deal. You know. And you can't take anything from Tokyo Brown. He made him better. There's no question. He's one of the best receivers who's ever played the game. He had he had the best run of any receiver in NFL history. So you have to you have to prepare for the fact that he might not put up the numbers. They last year hundred eleven catches fourteen hundred yards but it doesn't mean he can't be number one receiver in a great number one receiver in this league as racy that this year. Factor, fixing Tony the two thousand nineteen Steeler, receiving stable could be a better and more well rounded stable than two thousand eighteen with one of the greatest receivers of all time factors that fiction. I'm gonna go with. I mean, I think you have obviously, do you a nice veteran in Dante Moncrieff. And, and you have motivated James, Washington, who lost fifteen pounds and he's ready to make that first second year leap at we're all looking for you. Have a talented rookie and John Johnson. I mean, obviously, he's, he's a total unknown at this point. But hey, you never know rookie sensations are comes in all shapes and sizes, so, you know, I think overall it could be a more talented group because. One of the. I'm sorry or second, look. You out for a second. So look should be cut. I mean you could see a guy like he li- Rogers who is very talented be the odd man out in that entire situation. A guy that you didn't mention his Ryan, Switzerland. I think Ryan Switzer has also grown in the off season. I think he is definitely injure material. Now he's he is really you'd really drinking the Pittsburgh Kool aid. And he's, he's definitely a teen guy and his report with Ben Roethlisberger at the end of the season was really growing a lot like Vance. Mcdonald's report store, the grow at the end of two thousand seventeen because you know they both arrived late. In their respective preseason via trade and those guys coming in it takes a while to set up shop with Ben houses for really does because that report is very crucial. So we saw with ants. I really think we were seeing it with Ryan Switzer becoming an option. Do you think that he could be at a major X factor for this team? Or do you think he is? Just a fifth guy. Now you said it. Yeah. Ben has confidence and then likes him. So that's a big deal. If the franchise quarterback likes you and, and, and, you know you mentioned you. He was growing into a, a pretty decent slot receiver, but, you know, severed that knee injury at the end of the twenty and season playoff game, and he probably have the same burst and Ryan Switzer now has an entire off season to, to absorb the offense and develop more chemistry with Ben. Yeah, he could be way more than number five. He could be the starting receiver start number three receiver next year. So he could bring a lot to of offense for sure. You pay a little fantasy football. I. Can't hear you there. I'm sorry. What was that question? I'm sorry. Are you a fantasy football player? Tony. I was earlier on in, in, like in my thirties, and I've gotten back into it over the last couple of years. My bowling, buddy. So yeah, I guess I am now and I won the championship last year. So with my uncle, so I am again, I. Yeah. Yeah. Factor fiction. Dante Moncrieff is a steal at wide receiver and number two for your fantasy team. Well, my uncle's only years ago, always go with always go with the number two guy on a team with a clear cut number one receiver so yeah could be steel for sure. I really think he is. I think at six two and he's hungry, because all these teams are calling them busts. He wasn't number one. But here's the great thing about Moncrieff Hugh, really would shine when Andrew luck would in their quarterback, but answered luck has not played a whole hell of a lot in the last few years if Dante Moncrieff was in Indianapolis and not Jacksonville, he would have a brand new deal with the colts right now. I'm talking last season because that's when I came back with a vengeance. I think Moncrieff would have an opportunity to just go. Absolutely crazy. He playing with guys like Kobe percent. Just not getting a lot of opportunities with with him hurt all the time. I didn't have. Was there at the very end of his career? I'm with Indianapolis spelling Andrew luck there. There were a lot of guys Scott toll the I think too, I mean there were a lot of lesser known players. They're, they're playing and throwing him the ball then he goes to Jacksonville and he's, he's the old Blake Bortles who is not the, the best passer in the world either. I would Ben Roethlisberger this guy can have a career. We surgeons some really excited about Dante Moncrieff. I'm just excited about this receiving for I have not talked about James, Washington. I really like what he brought the naval, I thought then was really trying to find him towards the end of the season as well. I think he's just a player to me. He. He he's undersized. But I mean we've seen undersized guys just play with the passion and the moxie, and that's what this guy seems like to me. So I'm really excited about them. But who is the number one number two receiver for this team? And I'm not just talking we're vers. I'm talking you could throw in a, a running back you could throw in a tight end who's going to catch the second most balls. If we presume the Jews going to be number one. I'm glad you asked as last year. We talked a lot about how well the offense performed when inner. And he was on his way to having a Levy on bell like season before he separate those injuries. So I think if it's if it's James Connor, I think the offense is, is rolling along the way we want it. So hopefully it's the same formula this year. James Connor gets the same kind of opportunities. So I'm gonna go with James because I think that's we've seen the last five years Levy on bell, and then him last year. That's how that's how the offense works best when it's when it flows through to running back James Connors number one running back. So I think it's going to be him. Eight of healthy. I think I think Vance McDonald's makes a lot of money as well in Texas. A lot of also I agree with your assessment of Connor. I think with Bill to I looked for two whole lot of things from those guys that's running back stables great. I think I, I don't think the offense of line misses a beat with Sean Sarah in there because he's been there under munch back for six or seven years. He knows what he's doing. He's work a lot with these guys. So I love it. And I think Ben is hungry. And you know what I've always said about Ben Roberts. Burger men Rothlisberger with soup on his shoulder is the best bedrooms, you're going to get. There's definitely a chip on his shoulder wanting to prove all that prep that he heard in the off season. He wants to prove that, he's the leader. He wants to prove that he could still get it done. And he wants the brew that t. He signed he was worth it to. So I'm looking forward to a lot from him. I know on the defensive side of the ball. We're really excited about Devon Bush. Of course, why wouldn't we be we're, I'm about a lot of the other leaders there to she'd be rookies there, too? I think it's going to be an exciting season. But who won defense? Do you think really shines this year? And I'm not talking about Bush. I think, honestly, I think it's going to be von Hargrave. I've been reading a lot of things about him. I remember of pressure. She has your, you know, relative to the number of sex that ERM thirty number of snaps city. I think people say on Twitter that this is the guys that beast that just waiting to be on unleashed. And he's coming into fourth year his rookie. Is it contract your was rookie contract? So I think it's fun Hargrave? I mean he's gonna he's gonna have asking can still afford to keep him next year. Should they get rid of somebody else to be able to keep them? I think it's gonna be. More. I think about it. Hi, I'm every truffle men and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism fascist architecture. Poly-amorous hermetically, sealed domes and Courtney Kardashians dining room chairs, but not necessarily in that order, new episodes of nice, try come out every Thursday. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Who on defense and let's not say already Burs 'cause we know the pressure that already burns is is going to be facing. But who won be sense, has the most pressure this year has the most approve? I think your question I would have to say I'm gonna have to say Sean Davis because he's coming into his fourth year as well. And it's gonna be a second year as a free safety. And I think he's good. I think he's a really good player. I think he's gonna he's gonna make that jump this year from, you know, average player to to star player. So I think Dave is, I think a lot of people are still doubting him. I think a lot of people don't think there's a whole lot of confidence in him. And, and, and, and I think a lot of people wrong here. Yeah. With the contract, you're as well. I completely agree. I believe I'm gonna throw in a couple of names there, I think need to have big seasons, but depre- is one of them I actually think but debris is coming into his own. I think kief Butler is doing to do a lot for bud. Do pre game within coaching the linebackers. I think that'll be great for him. I think stuff on doing big stuff on to fan. I think he had lots of proof for here's here's a wildcard there. And a lot of people will be shocked to hear this. But Mike Helton Mike Healton lost a little Wester. None of my is with a lot of pundits and critics of this team towards the end of the season. I really think this is a guy that is playing really he's doing the game will that all hundred of did would not really having a contract. So. I think he's playing football life here too. So he's going to be really interesting to watch this specially since he is he's a passionate players. Well, so, I think. These guys feel that they have a lot to prove. I think this could be a resurgence for the defense real quick factor fiction, Pittsburgh Steelers top ten defense. Overall two thousand nineteen because you're you're reading things now that the better athletes, you're on the defensive side of the ball. So I think they're really coming into their own, so yes. Act. Whoa, fantastic. Tony. It was another another great show. You know, lots of things to be positive about. And I'm drinking the Kool aid. I'm reading the black and gold cool. Eight I've never really had black hole aid. So that sounds absolutely disgusting. But the whole lemonade, so but with that being said, I'm really excited, and we have so much to talk about in the weeks to come, but I really think this is going to be a positive two thousand nineteen and screw you Marie still through seven nine I I'm willing to take that back. That, that does not happen so without being said, Tony, how great weekends well actually the week before your weekend. And I'm talking buddy. You too Brian. And if I don't talk it before the next time they have a happy, Father's Day. Oh fantastic. Thank you so much greatly appreciate that. I always look forward to that day well with that being said, Steeler nation. Toting nice. We appreciate you still carrying about Tom appreciates you as well. We hope to hear plenty from you in the comments. And hopefully you're plenty of you in, in future days, but without being sad. My friends for twenty death, yo I'm Brian Anthony Davis. You just been hung over goodnight and go Steelers.

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The Steelers Retro Show: Not much luck when bumble bees turn killer

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The Steelers Retro Show: Not much luck when bumble bees turn killer

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive and twenty nineteen pittsburgh steeler fans. And it's time once again. Go back in time. It's the steeler retro show from behind the steel curtain dot com. My name is brian. Anthony davis you can call me bad alongside me is my longtime partner here at bt se. Tony defeo what is up toaster. I am doing great and we're going back in time but not not far enough like we usually do. I could probably do this game from memory and not really uneven notes but yeah. I can't wait to talk about this game. This was a game that i was actually attending. And i remember driving to this game. We're not going to say what it is yet. We will lead into that. But i was there with my buddy. Who's great friend of mine. But he's one of those steeler fans that's a little on the negative side. We're talking about the quarterback involved from the other team one of the best passing teams in the league. The number one offense in the league at the time. And he's like we are gonna get killed if we don't at least put thirty on the board and if we can keep them under thirty we're gonna win. I'm like yeah. This is gonna be a really tough game and i was actually praying to the steeler. God's because i did not want to have to endure the entire way home listening to him. Be mad about this game. We're going back to a time when that bass by meghan trainor was the number one song in the hunger games mocking jay part. One was the number one movie so you had meghan trainor and number one. You remember that song tony. I do helped me develop a nice crush on meghan trainor. Even though she's way younger than me. But now i he's married so i i don't think i've shot with anymore. Yeah i remember that song. I find talent all about that bass all about that. Bass no treble. That's really bad. I apologize anybody. That's listening to that right now. Mocking jay. i gotta tell you. Jennifer lawrence is one of the great young talents. And she's been around a while now and she's just absolutely fantastic Hundred games. I have not seen all of those movies yet but i hear they're pretty good and they were. They were huge bat. I haven't seen him either but they were. They were pretty huge back. Then i mean anybody talked about Back in the mid twenty ten where the series and movies the one team. That was not hungry back in two thousand fourteen october. Twenty six two thousand fourteen to be exact where the indianapolis colts and andrew luck. Because there was no luck they were great. And why weren't they hungry. No they were greedy for points they came in with the number one ranked offense in the league and they were a dangerous team. Not only did you have andrew luck. U. t. y. hilton. This was a team that knew how to score. They had a guy named dante moncrieff. Who was actually good back. Then he came to pittsburgh tony right. Reggie wayne was He knew a little bit about receiving and he was. He was actually on the bench Injured that's all that's all they were. Actually yeah reggie wayne was really good. Wasn't it was pretty new thing too. Yeah he's okay. he's he's a hall of fame finalist. So you know you're reggie wayne can't sleep on that guy. The steelers had some hall of fame caliber talent as well. Of course you had ben rothlisberger there and you had the killer. Bees in all their glory with john bell antonio brown you have heath miller on that team you had a young markus wheaton on that team and a very young martavis bryant a very good team with defense. That wasn't so bad themselves so this was going to be a really interesting game with chuck pagano's team taking on mike tomlin team for me. I was bummed because this was a four twenty five game. I know everybody likes that later. Start i don't when i'm going to the game so i drove down to this game with my buddy and like i said we were not too optimistic. Going into it twenty. What were you feeling going into this game. I was feeling pretty good. They come off a come from behind win against the texans on monday night football in heinz field and we a few days earlier or six days earlier i guess and i was feeling pretty optimistic but at the same time. They had just missed the playoffs. Two years in a row and they four four and three heading into this game so i was wondering if they were ever going to catch fire again and go on a roll and and as we're gonna find out this gang would prove to be a catalyst for spark them on a great run into and the season make the playoffs and that game against the houston. Texans was kind of a coming out. Party for rookie martavis bryant. It was his first game as touchdown. People were really excited about them. Peppering him into the offense and tell you what he was a great weapon back then. Tony the offense seemed to go to a whole new level. Once he was activated it if they remain that way the rest of the year and all the way through the following seasons he was a great talent and when he came on the scene he came on the scene in a big way and he was a big man coming on in a big way. The number four traffic that year. Two thousand fourteen. And don't forget. The number one draft pick was ryan shazier number two was stefan to it and number three was so they had a lot of talent on that team. Pretty good draft in two thousand and fourteen. I know archer didn't really hooked on with the team and martavis bryant. Problems weren't because of talent. It was because of extracurricular emmons so totally. Let's get started with. The colts elected to receive wanting to get andrew luck and that number one ranked offense onto the field to strike early and often boy. Did they start out fast. A screen pass and a run by ahmad bradshaw got fifteen yards on the first two place on play number three t. y. hilton victimized brice mccain on a forty five yard catch and run to get down to the black and gold twenty one but the steelers defense. They clamped down. Tony and the colts brought on adam viteri for a thirty one yard field goal with three. Oh four gone on the first it was three to nothing. Visitors viteri on that kick became the first player in nfl history to make two hundred field goals with two different teams. Adam venit terry he still kicking. he's a classic. Tony he's he's he's still the league and he's he still going strong he was. He was a model of consistency especially When the patriots he didn't do too badly with the colts together. As you just said but this is a big talk for them early on for the steelers defense because as you said in the beginning of the show of the colts offense was was a juggernaut this year and and for the whole down three points set of seven. That was big early early in this game. Did you know that. General custer is the reason that adam viteri is alive. Did you know that. I did not know that but i can't. I can't wait to hear you. So i actually learned this when he was getting ready to play in the janet jackson super bowl against the carolina panthers back in two thousand and four. His great great great grandfather was a very talented musician and he was the bandleader for general. Custer what happened. Though was custer i guess military. They took a band with them. But custer said you know we're really worried about little bighorn. This could be rough. I'm leaving the band at home so if the band comes there's no adam venit terry make everybody got gush. It was a mask. It was really bad. We talked about games being massacres. Now this was on a whole different level the everybody died. It was insane. That's amazing it's fate right there. I guess fate and destiny really want to call it. so how. 'bout that there's a little history lesson in the retro show tony if none of that transpired or things turned out differently. Maybe the patriots don't don't have a wet six super bowls right now. Different kicker who knows law the super bowl used to call them at the field goal dynasty and that was because of an involuntary so yeah. He's what's the movie with jimmy stewart. Wonderful life. Yeah the life right there. Yeah that's a great example. There you go something you didn't bargain for but that's a lot of fun to talk about. We don't know about ben rothlisberger. Great great great grandfather. But we know that. Ben was starting his one hundred and fiftieth career. Nfl game and he came out looking to control the tempo of the game and something that i wanted to do because they knew if they could maybe control the tempo and keep andrew luck off the field. They would have a fighting chance in this game. Tony the plan definitely seemed to be working right away as three runs by john bell for thirteen yards on nineteen yard pass to clemson rookie. The previously mentioned martavis bryant a twelve yard or two heath miller a nine yard or two markus wheaton and a rare four yard run by league. Garrett blunt got the steelers down to the eighteen yard line of indie from their ben froze darius butler and voluntary. Davis davis at the time was one of the great corners in the league and ben froze these guys with is in through true to wheaton for the score. It was the first t the colts allowed in the first quarter all season. Long hair comes sean. Cesium to hit the extra point and the steelers lead seven. Nothing was seven nineteen left in the first ben. A veteran at this point really knew how to work his eyes and freeze these guys to get the early score big early score for them to go up seven three the week before the colts and allows us one hundred thirty five yards and win over the bengals already. Pittsburgh took the ball right down the field and scored a touchdown to make seven three. If thanks for the correction there too. Because i did sake seven. Nothing and i caught that while i thinking. Hey we just had this long soliloquy about adam venit terry so after three and out by the white clad blue trimmed visitors featuring pressure by jason worlds and a great tackle by troy powell malo plum high schools pat mcafee. He came on the punt lady on bell took to the ground with thirty three yards on six carries on the next series. Well great series for bell with two completions by lance more. Rt remember they have lance moore and another completion to garrett blunt. Todd haley's offense. Had a first and goal from the five yard line tony lance more lou garrick blunt. Wow that seems like he owns ago. Yeah i was very excited about lance more. I guess there's a lesson in there somewhere about not getting too excited about free agent acquisition. But i thought he would be a great veteran receiver for them. When they signed off the saints didn't have a great career from them but he he was pretty good on this drive. You know what we always talk about. Lou garrick blunt being disgruntled lance moore was disgruntled to from the playing time that he did not receive with one hundred and sixty one yards from the steelers offense already. The clock expired on the first quarter as the steelers lead seven three but they weren't done the very first. Play tony of the second. Quarter the steelers. Well they made the score fourteen to three as martavis hauled in a five yard strike from ben for his second career. Tv in his second career. Game tony at difference maker right away and he proved again. This play a matchup problem. In the end zone deep passes the here was where he just out. Manned is the guy covering and just like that. It's fourteen to three. If here's the thing tony we haven't even talked about one number eighty four antonio brown yet. We'll get to them. That's how vibrant and explosive. This offense was then absolutely. I mean this was. This was the height of todd. Haley powers offense coordinator and the steelers offense in terms of weapons this this a very explosive unit and i think it started against houston and week earlier in the kept on going the rest of the year after the kickoff and a noah. Herron catch for five yards. William gage jumped heke mixes route and intercepted luck gays. Thirty three yard dash to the end zone. Yes another six for willie. Gay gave the steelers twenty one to three lead after sweden's point after it was only the second. Pick six of the team record. Gay would share with rod woodson. So think about this. This was his second. And i believe he had the first during the season so he had all those pick sixes later in his career with the pittsburgh. Steelers tony and the weird thing about it was it was five straight interceptions that had five straight pick sixes on it. Was you know. it's not like he had an ordinary interception in there in between five straight over the course of two or three seasons. He took back to the house. It was pretty remarkable streak by and you know what there were a couple. Pick sixes from william gay. The were actually called back on the ensuing series. Aided by a fifty two yard catch and run by short lived future steeler dante moncrieff andrew luck located tight end. Wayne allyn over the law dog lawrence timmons to complete an eighty six yard drive. The score was now twenty one to ten with eleven forty three left well. They scored a lot quick. Ms game this was a high flying game. And we're just early into the second quarter. I keep saying huge big but it's the truth. That was big for the colts to respond as quickly as they did. And it was a perfect strike by by andrew luck you could see on on this Throw i he was the number one pick in two thousand twelve. Nfl draft he was. He was a special talent. So here we go ben. Rothlisberger would not let that lead laps though starting from the thirteen ben would target antonio brown. There is for a first down. Then he'd suffered drop on a pass to dri archer and then go deep to bryant for fifty two yards. Brian beat darius butler once again. Who was now subbing. Vantera davis who was on the sideline. After a first quarter injury. The steelers could not get into the end zone though and had to bring sean swedes him on for a field goal of thirty yards. Swedes them knocked it. Thrill but indies. Andrew jackson jumped offsides. His name was andrew jackson. He jumped off sides to give the steelers new life in a first down. Big ben took immediate advantage and threw an eight yard to ab in the left corner of the end zone for a one handed. But just a grab for the touchdown with eight. Thirty eight left in the half. The score was now twenty. Eight to ten steelers. They are rolling. It was big innocent. They're a huge penalty by the colts by andrew jackson and but it was a great response by by ben. Fantastic play by antonio brown. I mean he was. He was a special player regardless of what you think of him. and he proved on that touchdown. I'm picturing the guy with white hair on my money jumping off sides. That's crazy with money and mind. We're gonna pay the bills and we will be right back after this message on the steelers retro. Show stick around. We'll talk in a second support for this. Episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room sports fans dream. Come true it's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch party for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of crucial free throw. And if you've got a bunch of supremely spicy takes to fire off during luck you can even record the conversations if you want and released him as a podcast so it's time to start thinking about catchy titles it's all totally free and available at the app store right now so go download it today. Locker room changing the way we talk sports well more like thirty seconds. Welcome back to the steelers retro show. My name is brian. Anthony davis the man on the other side of your speakers. His name is tony as well. Tony it's a thrilling game. So far we're not even at halftime thirty eight points scored in this game. Twenty eight by your black and gold. Pittsburgh steelers conscious black and gold. Tony bumblebee pittsburgh steelers. Try a very controversial gumby. Uniforms that they broke out once a year in the Early to mid two s. And you couldn't have asked for a better start if you're steelers hides heinz field. Faithful twenty eight to ten. Not even half time great start. I loved bumblebee uniforms. The only problem i with them was those beige pants. And i know that's what they were back in the thirties when they were they were actually the pittsburgh pirates when they wore those but if they would've put some black pants or even white with black and gold stripes that would have been really cool or if they would of went bumblebee all the way that would be even cooler. If they had bubby pants i would have liked. Yeah i could see. I'm picturing it in my mind. I would have probably been much much. Better design yet but picture it on casey hampton. There you touche. That would have been really. Wow really unfortunate for brett. Kiesel and jason world disrupted luck on the next series for three and out. So the men of steel took over after another pat mcafee punt. Right away fullback. Will johnson number forty six from west. Virginia university took a pass for to move the chains. After two more completions two running backs rothlisburger heave deep to antonio brown. It was a forty seven yard. Catch anne rumbled in for the score. The steelers now owned the scoreboard. Thirty five to ten with five. Twenty one before halftime. Tony you got to be feeling good. We talked how the steelers have to at least score thirty five. But i gotta tell you. I was in the stands there and i was not going to breathe easy because i knew that this team could come back absolutely you could not. You cannot sleep on the colts offense and the steelers defensive. This time Was still in a work in progress as far as Transitioning from the dick lebeau days. But it's just play. It was great mobility by ventures. Ben had defenders trying to grab grab at his feet and you got away and it was you could see. The chemistry was always existed between him and abc is brown. Was he ran a different pattern and saw ben scrambling and the immediately went deep and and the two connected and it was. It was a fantastic play. Just like their coach. Chuck pagano fighters and the colts were not done. The did escape disaster though when a sack by james harrison scored at the ball free ahmad. Bradshaw would recover with the ball back in his hands. Luck through a beauty to a well-covered hakeem nicks on the sideline for twenty nine yard gain. After that passes the knicks and bradshaw as well as a fourteen yard run by luck and a hold by mccain got the steelers in hot water with the colts on their own twenty eight not the colts twenty eight but the steelers twenty eight then the cortes. Alan got abused again as luck completed. A past t. y. hilton for twenty eight yard score. It was thirty five seventeen steelers and this was the downfall of cortes allen. He had signed that contract extension at the beginning of the season. But this is when things started to go awry for number twenty eight a very talented quarterback but really wasn't getting it done and he was getting exposed here and you would hear his name in the wrong way the rest of the show. Tony no t y hilton on this plane. Unfortunate for him is career. Basically began regression. This game on the year. You'd even you didn't hear his name at all. After after by the time the playoffs went around it was a shame because he showed a lot of promise but he just never developed. It's just unfortunate. You don't regard cortez allen as badly as some of those other cornerbacks county. absolutely not. no he was a fourth round picks tend to go either way but there was a lot of hope for at one point as people keep pointing out on on behind skirt. He actually received a second contract. That's how that's how much they thought of them just didn't it just didn't work off them. Unfortunately ben went on the attack with two or three left before halftime. But on fourth down and colts territory the steelers elected a punt instead of sending them in for fifty five yarder. Ben was the punter of choice but it was blocked with thirty five seconds left luck aided by a cam heyward roughing penalty drove the colts down to the five. We're vegetarian. Hit a twenty three yard and the steelers lead was now thirty. Five to twenty at halftime. Both luck and rothlisburger had over two hundred fifty passing yards in the first half of play. But it's unfortunate because three points could mean a lot in a game like this tony. Absolutely if you're if you're a cold you're down thirty five to ten doesn't look too good but then you realize off ten straight points before the half you have to be feeling much better going going into half with your high powered offense and you know. This is a team that could score. They were doing it all year long. The scoring continued in the second. Half as benjamin. Todd the steelers behind the legs of bell completions to brown twice a thirty nine yard a heath and wheaton with a catch. Got the home team down to the indie two. This was also aided by vantera davis being rolled out for the games remainder from that first quarter injury from their number seven found martinez for the score now with nine fifty nine left in the third. The steelers increase their lead to twenty two by a score. Forty two twenty. The next drive was not as productive for the colts harrison. Second sack was a factor in indy needing the punt. But a three and out by pittsburgh gave the ball back to the indianapolis colts. Moncrieff had three catches for twenty one yards. I think that's three in that one series than his entire career in pittsburgh as well as catches by hilton and knicks. Getting the colts down to the steelers. Twelve where bradshaw. Okay hey up. The middle for twelve yards and the touchdown with three forty five remaining in the third the scoreboard read steelers. Forty two colts twenty twenty-seven and like you said tony fifteen points is nothing with andrew luck and this quick strike offense. Absolutely this is. This is a big game for benny. He probably never looked better. But you could see the talent in andrew luck and you could see at this point in his career. He looked like he was gonna go on to be an all time. Great ben was andrew. Luck wasn't far behind in this game. So yeah fifteen. Point lead was nothing at that point in this game. The steelers would give the ball back to luck on the first play of the next series though then completed the past a former colt darius hayward bay they fumbled after sixteen yard gain and the colts. Mike adams recovered the baugh. It didn't take long for number twelve victimize allen again as moncrieff scored his first. Nfl touchdown for thirty five yards. Just like that. The colts restoring back by score forty to thirty four with two forty two left in the third quarter the very next drive. So the steelers. Moving the ball past midfield behind receptions by heath miller as the third quarter concluded as the steelers march towards another touchdown lou. Gehrig blunt had a firm grasp on the ball and kerry. But andy studebaker still found a way to rip it. Free as the colts took the ball away at their own five. Wow they were on their way into the end zone and boom ninety five yards away now from tying this ball game but the steelers defense had the pride to step up dick lebeau caught a blitz and luck tripped. He desperately tried to throw it. But nobody was in the vicinity. Tony with intentional. Grounding called in the end zone the steelers now led by ten huge break but a huge play call by coach. Dad tony oh yeah. They needed he needed to snuff. This drive out quickly as possible and conway with points off the safety. That was big. Because i was watching this game life right before i took off for bowling and i breathed a sigh of relief after they took a to score lead at this point. Well the thing about it tony is. They didn't tackle him in the end zone. He tripped he was being hurried. They were coming psychological warfare and luck panicked and he was a pretty steady. Qb and that led to the safety after the free kick by mcafee bend started working in the clock. Still not afraid to work at downfield on a third nine pass. The blunt was inches short of the first marker at the ten yard. Line expecting a run indie bunched up while ben road right and found miller in the middle of the end zone ben through his team record six. Td pass of that contest with five twenty one left now. The steelers lead fifty one to thirty four. Tony i'm feeling good now. I'm getting ready to leave pretty soon. But i didn't wanna leave early. I felt pretty good that they could go ahead and win this game. Now tony i knew. I was at my bowling match watching it on the tv at the bowling alley and immediately breathed a sigh of relief and went back to bowl. I i knew the game. It was a great call. At this point fourth and inches. You're expecting around. If you're colt fernanda plaques and pass heath was wide open. it was it was a big play and it was as you said ben. Six china's game and it was maybe the best game of his career. The colts offense did however have the firepower to get back into the game. Though and luck moved into the twenty-seven but then andrew threw an interception nabbed by antoine. Valentino blake in front of hamilton. With two forty eight remaining. The steelers went to the ground. Drain the clock with twelve seconds. Left the steelers punted the ball away. Then luck just decided i'm neilan. Let's run this clock out. We're not coming back at this point. The steelers colts were now five and three as pittsburgh one fifty one to thirty four. The two teams combined for the second most net passing yards. Nfl history tony with nine hundred and forty seven yards. Ben was forty forty nine with five hundred and twenty two yards and six touchdowns bell had ninety two yards rushing and eight receiving for a total of one hundred well. Ab had ten catches for one hundred and thirty three and two touchdowns he miller one hundred twelve yards on seven catches a scorer while martavis had five grabs for eighty three yards and two scores man. They had the weapons and they were able to spread it around tony and when you read those staff and it really puts into a brighter light how dominant. This offense wasn't as an stay. How dominant the passing. Offense wasn't belly talking about brown. Be not hearing from him early. I'm bell almost seem like an afterthought in this game. And he had a he had a he put up some huge numbers again. Maybe the best game events career he. He became the first quarterback in this game to throw for over five hundred yards for a second time in his career so it was a big day for him all the way around. And you know what next week. He's like i'm not done. I'll do it again. Baltimore ravens no problem six touchdowns yep huge win for the steelers. The next week as they officially retire job greene's jersey on sunday night football so it was a great time. In pittsburgh steeler history. This was a season that would not end. Well though bell would end up getting hurt then you would have the situation with lou gehrig blunt pretty much leaving the team going awol. They had no running backs left. That's for another time but this was the start of a great feeling. Tony for the pittsburgh steelers fans. The drive home was really nice when we are celebrating a huge win and not lamenting getting torched by andrew. Luck as i said earlier on the show they. They missed the playoffs two years in a row. They were kind of iffy to start this year and once they got on a roll they stayed on that row all the way up until unfortunately bell got hurt at the end of the late in the week. Seventeen game and plumbers already gone by that point so every kind of in bad shape for the playoffs but at least they finally made it for the first time in three years. So that's one thing to celebrate. Yes they did. And we are going to celebrate a great season next week when we come back on the retro show. We are going back to one of my favorite year. Nineteen ninety seven and a dance in the desert. So tony i look forward to talking about that game with you. Owe me too. I can't wait in one thousand nine hundred seven we we've done just about every week of one thousand nine hundred seventy one special year for both of us. I loved one thousand nine hundred seven. I can't wait to go back and talk about that special game against the cardinals. Eighty four ninety seven five. We do a lot of those and for good reason ever really magical years. They don't all have to be super bowl winning years. They just have to have a lot of great memories. And that's what the retro show is four. I'm glad that you went down. Memory lane with us in the black and gold delorean once again. We're going to do it next week. Four tony was brian. Anthony davis thank you. So much steeler nation. You can take away. We don't mind but you better promise us. We'll be back in tak- tony time.

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Steelers Hangover: Steelers addressing needs in free agency, but did they do enough in the suddenly star-studded AFC North?

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Steelers Hangover: Steelers addressing needs in free agency, but did they do enough in the suddenly star-studded AFC North?

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Well, it is the Steeler hangover with Tony definite. And Brian Anthony Davis from behind the steel curtain dot com part of SP nation. Now, my friends, I know you're saying hangover, how are you hung over from a Steeler game? Are you still worried about December co not worried about the twenty third? I'm not worried about the thirtieth. When when the Browns he'll shocked up against the ravens in the Steelers were sent home for the playoffs. That's just a hangover. It's hangover from. The week that was and Steeler nation. And that's where we're gonna talk about today, and in the lines of renegade. They talked about wanted man. And but you know, what during free agency and the first week of free agency. The Steelers came up with three wanted men and a few Steelers were wanted man on the other side of it too. So before we discuss all that I've got a welcome good friend. The the biggest fan of Lubega in Mamo number five that you ever meet Anthony via how are you my friend? Hey, Brian, very good. Very good. Let's first time I've been called the biggest fan of that guy. But I guess it's my own fault. So and and and I can't wait to talk and free agency and some other things here this week. So you know, what I am not a big fan of I hate, I probably shouldn't be saying this. But I hate full day. I just three amateurs everyone goes out there and tries to screw around. And I know we've written funny articles. I've never done the April April full day article. But I tell you what I would be doing today if it was April, April Fools day. I would be writing the biggest article concerning the Pittsburgh Steelers going after von tenth birth Justice. The entire comments section explode 'cause vaunt his birth is indeed a free agent after the Cincinnati Bengals let him go today. Tony, let's hurt them. So right away. Should this keillor's go after von birthing factor fiction? They should. Fiction, but you should read an article about it, Brian because people will fall for it. I'm telling you fall for it. You can put any perforce right there. And those still fall for it and social media. It would be would just be. Yeah. You'd love it. It'll be worse than well. See? Here's the problem with that vets since April Fools day that just takes credibility away. Then they see. No, you're Ian, Rapoport just spewing out lies. But. I'm still salty from that the whole buffalo thing blowing up. That's right. But that's that's for for the archives now. But let's say a part of me would just love it if they went and picked up on his birth. Yes. To have Steeler nation. Go absolutely insane. It would be I'm a part of our nation. I love it. But the comments sections would be alive. People would be losing their absolute ever loving minds. Tony, and it would be just like, you know, if I wrote that article it would be just like a few years ago. I mean, we're veterans now two thousand fifteen when both of you both of us wrote a Michael Vick article and people went insane. The Rooney's would never bring in Michael Vick year discussing I used to get I got hate mail Email. Oh, yeah. I I was just. Brand new to the fight. And I was like oh my gosh. What is this? I'm sure my wife. I'm like, I I don't know if I could handle this. I quickly got over it. Now, I'm on the other end. I just wanna mess with people. I don't think vaunted Burfoot would be coming the Pittsburgh. But hey that is an inside linebacker, and he's got a little nasty edge would be interesting if they would decide to go do that. I just don't see it happening at this point. I see him more as a as an Oakland raider. Yeah. It's about the only team that could probably willing willing to take him. Now raiders. I mean five years ago, they've been great, you know, before I was five years less of his antics. So yeah, that would have been great. But not now, I think I think he's pretty much done. I think I think like you said it would be just a it would be Michael Vick in Chicago from two years ago combined. If they would actually do that. I mean, you would have people they were recommend. Yeah. It would be it would be people sending back Jacqueline amateurs is. That's how mad it would be. I mean, there's no way it would do it. But but who knows stranger things have happened? But I guess with with Marc Maron now in the full to worry about that taking place. No, you know. So that's you're jumping right into it. Tony deaf you. So that's that's exactly what we're talking about. The theme of the show tonight. Or the moves that the Steelers have made the ravens Browns have made huge, moose, and we all know that. I mean from owed that comes junior to in unheralded one, which I think is just as huge as alleviate Vernon from the New York Giants on that defensive line. They brought a lot of people in the the ravens Brennan huge names. Like Earl Thomas the third. They brought in Mark Ingram the second. Maybe they'll bring in. You know, what they're really feed the fourth too. So many. I just thought of that. I mean, I didn't even think of this wasn't a notes. Well, they have a second third Anna four so and I guess they have. I guess that leaves them with. Lamar checks in the first. So that's really interesting. I actually I just impressed myself. And that happens never that thinks seven giddy. It's the weather feels spring-like out there. It is a new league year the Steelers brought in Mark Barron. They brought in Stephen for his name Steven Nelson. And they brought him Dante Moncrieff which the big needs. We knew what they were quarterback wide receiver inside linebacker those for the bait big names in the draft so bringing in these guys or they big enough moves Tony subtly potent, north division of the AFC to compete. I think so I think they're big moves because you know, there are three veterans or three guys that are still fairly young three guys that have started like so and I think they can come in and do a decent job. I mean, they're not gonna put them over the top. But they definitely come in and compete, and Stephen especially I really liked that take because or not signing because he's a veteran corner. He's coming into a second contract. You put him alongside Joe Haden. Boom, taking it looks a lot better. Now. So you wrote a fantastic article this week about Steven Nelson. The Steelers bringing in Steven Nelson ended up being a a perfect Steeler move. I'm not sure exactly what you call it. But can you elaborate on that? Yeah. I said it was a solid. He's not. He's not a big splash signing people aren't gonna go. My god. They want free agency because he's nice Steven Nelson. It's not the Steelers normally do, but he he's on the second year contract or his second contract. He's twenty six and he's got upside, you know, he still has room to grow, right? And he was pretty productive last year. So he he he's like like, Mike Mitchell, you know, Mike Mitchell, he didn't live up to Ryan Clark. He wasn't that kind of player. But when you came in here, I mean, he he looked like he was gonna be that kind of guy, and I think bringing those kind of players in their players that are young players that have already been productive, and they're coming under, you know, second contract, then I think you're gonna hit on the morning, then you miss, and I think I really like about this deal it it's it's a guy that that you're gonna put him right alongside Joe Haden. He's probably gonna start fourteen fifteen games, you know, barring injury sixteen games. And and and he he makes a secondary that much better you make deeper because you don't have to worry about bringing guys like. Occurred sensible. He can be he could be a good guy for you know. So I there's a lot of reasons like that deal. I think. Now you brought up Ryan Clark. And I was saving that before you brought him up. He was the guy was gonna talk about win. The two thousand six free agency period was going on right after the Steelers won the Super Bowl. They they lost persona. And they brought in Ryan Clark. And at the time. I'm like who in the world is that this guy, and I live in the live in Redskins territory, live in Steeler, territory and raven territory. So at the time it was Redskin. I'm looking even know who this guy is I thought I knew a lot about the the Redskins. Like, whatever I mean, just another bum bring them in. I felt the same way when they brought in Brent Alexander in free agency. And he was pretty good for the Steelers back in the early two thousand in the great thirteen in three two thousand one season he had four interceptions, and he was really good on the back end. So not the reason I bring that up because you don't need huge names and free agency you need pieces of the puzzle. And the Steelers have always been really good at that. And I remember I think it was two thousand nine when the Redskins brought in our Hanes worth for just a red Diculeng amount of money. It was but you you expected them to go on and say we as one free agency. So I was listening to Redskin radio at the time before I discovered, I heart radio and radio dot com to listen. To Pittsburgh radio online. And I'm listening to it. And they're like, we're horrible movies guys were really upset and one of the things that they said, it's why can't they be? Why can't the Redskins be more? Like the Steelers or the patriots and bringing piece of the puzzle. Guys, bring it not not the biggest names guys just help. And this free agency hall really seems like guys that can help keep the puzzle guys when you're talking about piece of the puzzle. Dante Moncrieff is he number one receiver people laugh at them either. Like, oh, so Dante on creeps gonna replace in Tokyo Brown. No. He's not he's not gonna come close to replacing my Antonio Brown. Don't they Moncrieff needs to replace? Either the third wide receiver or juice Schuster. That's what he needs to do. He needs to push James Washington camp and pushed himself to go head to go after that number two spot in that number one spot Shuji was not into Neo Brown. However, he could be in the arena somewhere among the landscape of a great number one receiver. He reminds me so much of Hines ward. And we talk about it all the time and Hines ward was a guy that kept trying to replace actually recall. He wasn't just a third rounder. He was the second third round pick in the nineteen ninety eight draft in nineteen ninety nine the number one selection of the Pittsburgh Steelers was wide receiver from Louisiana tech for Edwards in two thousand the number one pick of the Pittsburgh Steelers in and I'm talking. I believe it was number eight overall it was that high. It was plexiglass birth birth. A wide receiver out of Michigan state, and they kept bringing in guys to replace Hines ward and Hines ward. Outlasted them all so when I see a guy that wants to be a Steeler for life, and has that seem kind of you'll juice with the fans. That's why I'm in love with you to look we're not hoping we're not saying you have to replay Antonio Brown. You just have to be the number one option for the Pittsburgh Steelers in Dante Moncrieff as a number two. We'll take people away shake double teams away from juju. Smith schuster. This is a guy. I mean, he's big six two and he's fast. He could take the top off defenses short. He's going to have some some drops. But you're not gonna wanna let leave them alone. Too often. Tony are you? No. I mean, he's he's biggies physical. He can get downfield. And and hey, if he was good enough plays Antonio Brown. He wouldn't have never made the free agency. He he would've been a French. You have been franchise tag. Just ask every I'm belt, right? Those kind of free agents don't make it the free agency. So we talked about this for you're not you're not looking for him to get one hundred catches looking from the get sixty or seventy or fifty whatever, you know. It's more going to be like a team effort now, and he makes the receiving court better than it was last week. And you know, now, you have veteran presence on the other side of judy's Schuster, and you have Rogers and back in the fourth as your slot guy. You have Switzer. Now, you have you have James Washington. So receiving core going into the draft before it's even here looks a lot better in. And I like, you know, I I like I like the fact that they went out and. Found they number two guy who's already has played with a good quarterback. Andrew luck in this league. And he's gonna be playing with the best quarterback was career. And who knows maybe maybe, you know, it's another jerk cartridge. He's he's a nice veteran receiver who when he's a free agent in two years. You don't wanna see them? Go. You know, that's the very well said now, my next thing that that you kind of Wade into is the fact that you're looking at the breast, and I don't think that's just those wide receivers. You mentioned are going to be just the guys that they go into the season with I still think they're going wide receiver early in the draft still think they can go quarterback very early in the draft. And I don't think that they're going to be able to go inside linebacker early in the draft now because you know, the stock with free agents moves the stock has just really skyrocketed for guys the Devon's for Devon white and for Devon Bush and a lot of people would love to see Devon Bush dropped the Steelers twenty or they'd love to see the Steelers trade up one of those guys. But I think. I think you might have to treat up to twelve because with Burr fict- gone from Cincinnati. They were already linked to inside linebacker now. It's yeah, they're definitely gonna go one of these guys early. So you what do you think in here? Do you think that would Mark Barron being in the food and having Bostick in the fold as well make them not have to go inside linebacker. Makes them not have to treat up for an inside linebacker saved. The defense. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted m finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. 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Spotify everywhere else who listen to podcast, check it out. Or do they do that? I mean, I think the thing about about these three moves is, you know, you you had like you said you had veterans each guys can come in and start right away. But what it also tells you you could still go after each one of those positions early in the draft. And like you said if they're gonna go after one of the Devon's they're gonna have to move out, but they do have ten ten picks. This time around wearing chance of all those guys making the team, very slim. Right. So maybe they package, you know, their first, and maybe one of the third how many thirds they have account even know so and and move up to. Okay. Maybe pack package one of those. And you move up into the top fifteen. You know, you're obviously not gonna be able to trade with Cincinnati or any anybody like that. But, but if if it up there, and and get a Devon Bush, very not gonna get them, and he's probably gone way through early. So. I think you know, you those three positions are still on the board. But if they're gonna go inside linebacker. I don't see I don't see them them being we get one unless they trade up on they reach, you know, at this point look at only two when I can tell that are that are good enough to be drafted in the top twenty. But I could be wrong. I'm certain that the draft expert. There's a kid from Alabama. And they MAC Wilson. Who is I think he's rejecting more of a second rounder. Yeah. So he's the guy that they can go ahead. And and get in the second round. I just think there's a huge drop off from the Devon's to anybody else in this draft. And if it's a Devon I don't care which one I like Bush just as much as like white. I think these guys are both really really promising prospects, but keep in mind with drafts. Everybody's a promising prospect. If you're looking at them being a first round pick, and we see first routers fall off. And you're also looking at the fact that the Pittsburgh Steelers just brought in the seventh overall pick from I believe it was the two thousand twelve draft. They just brought this in or maybe it was fourteen may was two thousand fourteen draft. But so they brought in a guy that it wasn't fourteen because fourteen was when Tampa Bay selected Evans like happens. So it it wasn't then. So. Might be twelve or thirteen when he was brought in. But you know, Mark there in now his presence. Does his presence. Now make it that you that. It's not a horrible thing. If you take a wide receiver in the first round now. I think I think you could you could definitely go that route, especially if the two Devender gone, which they're almost certainly going to be you know, they said you can get a MAC Wilson in the second round at this point. Let's stark rises. Yeah. You could definitely go go receiver or corner and not not feel bad about it. Because those are still two positions that you have to you need high higher pedigree players, you know, for twenty nineteen and beyond. So no, I think I would I think they can still landed veteran receiver in free agency like Jordy Nelson or something like that. But even still do that, you know, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if they if they went out and targeted receiver in the first round in inflected him, if he if the player meets the if if great value, of course, it the value has to be there, regardless of what vision, you don't wanna reach. And you're not really to do that. So. But I I wouldn't be I wouldn't be opposed to that right now. No, no, not less Devin Bush was there, and they bypass which would blow my mind. I would blow my mind as well. But I think each one of these guys bringing each one of these guys in makes it so you can go best player of able in the first round. Now, where you're not I mean because Mark Barron, very doesn't solve all of their problems. And we both know that. But he don't I also remember situation when the Pittsburgh Steelers brought in a former first round pick with the eighth overall pick in a draft James Ferrier, and he saw problems for a lot of years, not say more barren is plots in any way. But I I think the bringing these guys in makes you go ahead and feel more comfortable about getting the best player out there. And that can very well be a position that we haven't talk. About let's say that they can do TJ for the second time third year three years in go TJ Hopkinson for my I awoke that guy looks like the next bronc-. Wow. If they can if they can do that. Then. They they have my blessing. That's for sure. Yeah. I mean, that's that's. That's another position. They probably have to try to find a veteran backup in free agency. Now that Jesse James the outlaws done. So, you know, I know Vincent Donald still pretty young. And he still has a couple of years up in this contract and his break through your last year with them. But I think that they could find the next gronk sign me up. Now, you know, it's so the bottom line of the whole thing is that, you know, you're not desperate at wrath time. Like you were last year. It seemed like you were anywhere desperate for linebacking didn't even touch it. Just because the chips didn't fall to you. So this is going to be a really a really interesting next five or six weeks leading up to the draft. And I feel so much more comfortable going into the season than actually do last season. Now, the losses in the losses are well-publicized. You know, of course, lady on bell you lost him. But here's the thing about about leaving on bell. You lost him a year ago? You didn't have him last year at all and the filled that hole now can can't it be done again. But you know, I just don't know. I just don't know if he can keep going. I really hope he can. And I know he has the heart to go ahead and do it. But or that might be a platoon. We talk about a situation before in nineteen ninety five they go to the they go to the Super Bowl. They lose the super. What were they go in the Super Bowl with two guys that weren't very foster there Eric pig room, and there Bam Morris, and they got them there. So heels Connor to do the same thing. So when you say you lost to the best players in the league, you really didn't you lost one because you really can't count lay young? Maybe I might be crazy, but he was already lost to us. Then you look at into Iran. Yeah. That is that is really tough. So this used fell, however. You know, looks like they have a plan in place, and I guarantee you there's going to be a high traffic there. And at this point if they go wide receiver number one, no one's gonna complain at this point because a week ago actually four days ago three days ago before the the Mark Barron thing even the possible. I mean, it was inside linebacker bust. Now, it just doesn't seem to be in there were huge options at wide receiver there. I think that'd be absolutely amazing to give guy like decay Metcalf. I don't think he's going to be there. I think he's his stocks rising just like Devon white and Devin Bush, but they're all there are some really big names. AB Brown is decays. You've got be K and AB. No, not AB AJ. Brit was eight visit AJ Brown or a Brown AJ actually for a for Mississippi, and he's along with Metcalf there he wants to be the next AB in Pittsburgh, you said just give me a different number. I would love to take a AB Brown and give him eighty four. So just the left at all the people that just burns the truth. Got to. I'm not burning up. But I will give you one. If you want one Tony. I mean, I I'll give you that. And I'll give you my I still have a Jarvis Jones. That I don't have much jokes jersey as well. It's not too more. But you know, so I mean, so many options for the Steelers what what's your feeling though, can can they hang with the Browns with the huge upgrade the Browns made. And can they came with the ravens bringing in Earl Thomas and Mark Ingram? I never thought it will. I as far as the Browns. I never thought it'd be asked that question. But yeah, I think I think they can hang with the Browns and the ravens because they still have they still have the best quarterback in division. And as we all know the league is driven by quarterback. I mean, it's just that's not anything groundbreaking. But yeah, they can hang with. They can hang with both. 'cause you know, you, and I've watched a lot of football. And we've seen a lot of super teams could put together in the off season. And those teams not really do much in a regular season. I mean, it's it's it's it's more common than not actually. So you know, what the branch has done. Don't get me wrong. I mean back home, and they have they have a great young different. There's no question about it. I mean, how many sacks and takeaways they have less and Baker Mayfield certainly looks like the real deal. And now you put you yet another weapon alongside drivers Landry Nick tubs in tight end that they got. So they are they could be a formidable foe. But I don't know because they may feel such a a wildcard yet because he only going into a second year as far as the ravens has there ever been a better marriage, then and Earl Thomas, I mean, he's he's like the perfect raving defender but Lamar Jackson, you just don't know. You don't know what he's gonna do next year because he's so unproven as far as the passer in this week. He just is you know, he can he he's proven to do with his legs. You know? But you just don't know we can do what is arm, you know, in a full season until until he proves that he can do that. And I'm not I'm not gonna be too high on the ravens so. Yeah, I think the Steelers definitely can hang with both of those things I think they can still find a way to. Be both teams offer the AFC north. I'm not ready to concede NO surpremacy either one of those teams just yet. Another thing about the ravens is they still have a lot of holes to fill Vevey got at you something at wide receiver. In fact, I think they need to pick a wide receiver in the first round of the traffic. I think that's paramount because they're really bad at wide receiver. We were joking about him just because of the number in his name. But really Steed the fourth is their best wide receiver at this point. And the other guys in I I gotta tell you. I feel like I knew football. And I know a lot of players, but this name is is just I mean, the names on the depth chart right now in Baltimore or just a picture of none of them ity. There really are. So I mean, the ravens made a big splash with two huge names. But I just don't think huge names or what? That team needs. I think they need more puzzle pieces as well. But that's just my opinion and the Bengals the guys Bengals have been bringing in while. I don't know what's going on there. But it's. It's just looks. I I I've seen fantasy owners could probably run a team better than how that teams being run right now. I just don't know if they have any rhyme or reason at this point. With that being said, that's the state of the the AFC north. And it looks like I'm gonna ask you one more time. So you. You think the Steelers can go ahead and not only hang but win this division. I think that they can they can do that. Yeah. I mean, they you know, you mentioned running back this. Well, I mean, they prove they can replace living on bell. You only question is James Connor say healthy for you. So I'm not really worried about that. They have they have the best offensive line or one of the best. Obviously have great defensive line their secondary. Just got better. You know, the only question is, you know, can they feel that can can they make up for the loss of Ryan cheesier, you know, with a second free agent. They try which on Boston. It didn't quite work out. So well, traveled more given that it didn't quite work out as well as they thought maybe more Barron can can come in and play both roles because that's what he's known for now. So you only question after that is can they can they replace Antonio Brown? No, they can't. But can they make up one? Yeah. I think they can. So I do think they can hang they can compete in the aplastic if not more this. Here. Or the moves done. Tony. I mean. I don't know how they do it. I mean, I don't know how Omar are. It seems like they had nothing left in under the salary cap. So i'm. But I mean, kicking the can down the road for so long that I think there's still room for them to bring a mentioned earlier veteran receiver, you know, like Jordy Nelson are Randall Cobb, you know, if they're if they're cheap enough or a veteran backup tight, and I think they have to go after somebody there is I don't think there's really much behind Donald and maybe even veteran running back insurance policy. I wanna see Anderson last year because you know, after James Connor in June. Sammy was really isn't a whole lot there that I can remember from the end of last season. So so no, I don't think the moves moves. More. I'm sorry. You cut out there thinking, I thought you were done. I apologize. And you know, I'm a big Seinfeld fan. I on the show and an articles and I'm gonna quote Seinfeld. One more time. And I say this with a a staunch record of heterosexuality, but I love, and if I were single I would marry Omar Khan, the, you know, why because he would balance the budget in my house. I would never have the bills would be perfect. We have great budget, and I would be saving for retirement, and I'd be in really good shape. That's what I'm saying. Seem to lose. Tony there. I. I'm still here. Oh, there you are. I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't hear your response to that my friend. I'm the saying he's a wizard. I don't know. How how the man does? I mean whenever Kevin Cobra. If he does the side to hang them up. There's your new general manager. And even if Kevin covert stay around for next twenty years. I would try to I would pay more con- whenever he wants to stay in his current position. Because I don't know what they would do without that guy. I would make Omar Khan a president or vice president of the team. That's what I would do. I would. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly there you good. That's and you know, what I might not be able to pick him out of a lineup. I don't even know if I've ever seen Moore's picture. I know I've seen in the media guide. I'm sure, but the guy is just a genius and people just don't realize that. But maybe maybe he would just some hang out with my wife, and I am just balance our budget, and and help us get a retirement plan. I guess I mean, Omar, Omar Khan helped so the of all the Steelers pining after the hang out with it's now, Omar Khan, that's. That's what we've learned today. That's right. Everybody tax tobe attack. I can tell you about my my tax problems right now. But that's for another time, and that's probably for United around with a few beers. At that point. Looks like that's time to wrap it up. I think. Hey, it was it wasn't great conversation. I tony. I really appreciate it any last any last. From its for or listening public. I think if I say one thing that listening public right now is the Steelers are being sold shorts. Because they they have what the affairs that they lost and players that other teams have gained. But we've been down this before. And I wouldn't sell the Steelers what they know how to run their team. They made three thousand moves this week. And they're not done with the drafting agency things are looking for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I wouldn't be surprised if they price this all next year with a nice run. I like that with that being said I'm gonna I'm gonna put it on the spot. What are you working on this week for behind the still curtain dot com? Anything exciting. Article yesterday about I figured already I've been so busy with life. I heard about the whole Josh Josh Harris ridiculous accusations eventually becoming coming to a article near you. And I'm gonna write some more about Jesse James Levy on bell and turning Brown. I'm sure people be thrilled with all that Mark Barron. I have something in mind for him. So I have a lot of good fats rolling around in my head. 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Steelers Hangover: What are this training camps highest hopes and biggest worries?

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Steelers Hangover: What are this training camps highest hopes and biggest worries?

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That's the extravaganza end zone where we have all these articles all day long nowhere to go but B._T._S.'s for all your camp needs then she among all of that fun camp stuff. We'll be our good friend Tony. Don't he definitely Oh what's up man. It's going on as always happy Monday and I can't believe it other like ten ten days yeah twenty six right yeah. I can't believe it. It's <hes> right around the corner and <hes> little story. <hes> renegade reminded me of <hes> when when we were coming on I was listening to that in my car of that we can just happened to come on the radio and I really don't hear that Song Radio that much anymore and I felt we're hearing my time ago. Who you know in the background I would never came is actually actually actually oh wait a minute? It's it's an actual song on the radio from seventy so yes. I'M GONNA Antidote. <hes> love me some sticks in fact. I you know I have kids. I have an eleven year old soon to be twelve year. Old Boy who is into classic classic rock and stuff from the eighties likes queen out and Janis van Halen now and stuff like that he loves the Beatles he's a huge Beatles fan and <hes> she loves all that stuff and the other day were listening eighties on eight on Sirius Radio and they're doing the countdown from nineteen ninety-three and sticks comes on and I know he knows Mr Roberto but I'm I'm telling them all about this. Don't let it and and all their other stuff and <hes> pretty soon. I gotta get him into renegade but I love that some. It's just seems that stuff fits and it's funny. People ask me a lot of times I mean where my my phantom of of the steelers what do I remember most and seeing a kid and listening the top ten of Casey Kasem from one to two and watching the steelers <hes> starting at one o'clock and ironically the very same weekend father's Day weekend two thousand fourteen thirteen Chuck Knoll in Casey Kasem passed away at the age of eighty two a day apart so you know it was <hes> and those were the guys that really shape most of my childhood memories because those guys leading things and so when I think of music I there's a lot of songs I think of when I think of the Pittsburgh steelers I'm now renegade. We I love to know who exactly the genius at Heinz Field with the P._A.. That put that together. <hes> put that video package together and I say genius with I mean I mean I say that with great affection because when they when renegade goes on in that stadium that place just goes insane and it is just awesome and I've even been there the years they have a honored they've honored <hes> teams like those seventy eight team w nineteen <hes> and they show their highlights to renegade and you're like oh black black yeah I can wait at the beginning when it's hot cappella when the rockstarts boom you're going into full action color. Oh you can't beat it and we're GONNA have it soon Tony. It's comment so well that being said the theme of the show this week is what are the highest hopes for the Pittsburgh steelers when the obvious one being winning the super bowl sure and but high hopes in camp and the biggest the chief worries coming out of camp so when we talk about what last week we talked about the players that have the most a loose in the most a game <hes> who are the guys on the bubble basically but as a team. What do you think that the key is keeping the coaches awake at night and or refer reaffirming what they're excited about and what they really really think is going to work so let's start about? Let's start with the good stuff with some of the excitement. What do you think Tony is top thing going in the camp for the Pittsburgh steelers that they are excited about this year you could be anything I would have to say honestly and they're never going to say this publicly because they don't want to you know my with rookies and praising them publicly but I'm I'm? I'm thinking it's Devon Bhushan what he can mean to that defense is he. You know that that kind the players the missing from that defense obviously since twenty seventeen and you know they're they've been great at at getting after the quarterback last two years if they can find a guy that can do what Shays here. Did I mean that could add a whole. We've talked oh by the way I could have a whole new element to that defense starting with you know finding a way to be disruptive enough to take the football away on on a really good. You know consistent basis something that you know you would need if you're going to be a super bowl team. The Super Bowl history tells us that you have to take the football away a lot more than they have been the last eight nine years in order to win a championship so I think that might be the thing that they're most excited about is finding a player on defense passably who who can do what what Ryan easier did well. Here's another thing about that Tony and I I like that and I- tack onto that with mentioning Mark Barron and Steven Nelson as well on that defense because because that's I mean this is a big high-profile free agent year for them where you don't even they're not high profile but their piece of the puzzle guys I remember from years past. I'm GONNA give you some names and I know you know these guys but you're going to be hard pressed to say that they weren't a big deal but my question for you is. Did you know these guys who these guys were her before they came in the first one was race seals. Yes I I heard of him. I wasn't that I didn't think it was a big signing but he turned out to be very valuable player for them so that's that's a very good <hes> wanted to bring up. Let me give you another one Donald Evans same time <hes> no I never I never <hes> never even heard of him but I I to your point he was he was really solid player for them sprint Alexander no he was another one that I wasn't you know He. He didn't really catch my but he has to be a solid <hes> pickup very valuable part of their defense for a number of years yeah yeah and I didn't know who Alexander was really <hes> he came from the giants. I believe and don't Evans came from the rams. If I'm not mistaken <hes> let me give you another one the bus driver driver Oh Gosh Kim Life I mean I I knew more about him than in. Maybe I would've otherwise because 'cause drone beddis was <hes> we're very high on him but <hes> No. I didn't really I didn't really think much of it. I thought either interchangeable but but it turns out that that he he was very very very good player for them so I probably said this Ad Nauseam and I'll probably say for the rest of my life but I remember listening to <hes> this was before I had iheart and <hes> any kind of satellite radio and I had to listen to local stuff and I was working towards Washington D._C.. And I want to say that this was I'm probably going to say if either two thousand eight or two thousand nine and I'm GonNa lean towards two thousand nine when the redskins made the first free agent move huge free agent move huge money and it was Albert Hanes work big name at the time and washing him teams Washington fans. We're calling in saying what did we do. Why are we doing this? Why can't we be like the Patriots and the Pittsburgh steelers and get piece of the puzzle guy guys that fit in? I'M GONNA throw another one at you and I'm going to be honest. I know a lot about football. I did not know Ryan Clark was and I'm like WHO's this guy. I was. I GonNa be I couldn't even I didn't think he'd make it through camp yeah he he he wasn't he was an undrafted free agent. I mean he was he. I guess he did some things with Washington but but he certainly wasn't a high profile guy and believe it or not. I'm just GONNA I'm wondering there and people you think I'm crazy and he turned one of my favorite players. <hes> James Barrier I mean I I knew he was he was a decent player but I wasn't that excited about him and then he next thing you know he's a the centerpiece of the the linebacker core so that's one that I always take out to me because I remember seeing the highlights of him on on T._v.. And like I I mean it was before social media so maybe has social media existed. I would've been the height would have been better but I didn't think much James Farrier when I came here but how could you get better better as far as a free agent acquisition edition. I knew who he was because he was the eighth overall kick in the nineteen ninety seven N._F._l.. Draft but I was a little upset because they lost earl homes who I didn't. When I go I loved her own homes at the time and <hes> they brought barrier in and didn't think he was that crate and soon we right away we found out that this is better than we know and we really found it out? In the playoffs. When rookie Larry Thirty foot had to go in for him in the playoffs and they just they complete the Tennessee titans completely went after in that two thousand two playoff game completely went after the middle up all the time and ferry very or was there? It's a different story but I've got a great chains Ferrier Story <hes> I was at work for three weeks. I was a training for my job back into December of two thousand four and that was the vans rookie season was fifteen in one there was a lot of excitement and <hes> we were sitting stir-crazy. 'cause we're in a hotel and I didn't know anybody and I met people there and we became friends and I met another. We got from Bakersfield California. He was a big big football fan too <hes> and he's like hey. I think I can get tickets off of Ebay for tomorrow's Houston. Texans New York jets game okay but the meadowlands and I'm like Oh. Let's go 'cause the steelers were playing the eight o'clock game at <hes>. They're putting eight o'clock game against Jacksonville on Sunday night and I'm like let's let's do it. Let's go so we went and we're sitting in the end zone and it was half full but it was awesome. I was in an N._F._l.. Game I was loving it and so yeah I start everywhere I go start talking to people and one of the things that drives people crazy probably because I'm going to bring up the steelers everywhere I go so I brought up the steelers and I said hey by the way thanks for jeans barrier and this was the year James Ferrier was runner up. He was team M._v._p.. And he was running up to end read good for defensive player of the year that's how good he wasn't two thousand four and <hes> and the guy behind me in a perfect New York accent. He's like yeah we couldn't get a Ugo for this guy and he's Oh you and he's been <hes> pity or or something like that and I like did he say a Ugo that is awesome so would never forget that as long as I live fifteen years and Ah James Ferrier and the the defunct cheap car from Yugoslavia the UGO was brought up in the same sentence and <hes> ferrier lasted for ten more seasons in Pittsburgh do with absolutely beautiful and <hes> so with that being said it was it was just really special stuff to have him there <hes> but the reason I bring all these guys up is not a lot of people know Steven Nelson we do not allow people know don team on crease and not a lot of people know mark Barron we do because it's our job to know these copies basically but they don't mean a lot to a lot of people they will. These three guys will mean something this year so I when I say it's not a high profile free agent year but it's a huge free-agent year for the steelers and I absolutely i. I'm excited about these guys just as much as I'm excited about Devon Bush so that's the defense will get better. I'm I don't care where they're ranked ranked. The only defensive rank I care about it and we talked about this the other day on the <hes> on the steelers preview with <hes> Jeff Hartman and dig Scofield or myself all I care about his points per game because because yards don't mean much either way for me because they were a lot better rushing team last year then the thirty first ranked rushing deem and there was a good reason they weren't running the ball at all. I mean James Nine Terry the game and that's what they're hoping finish Snell gets this year <hes> so it's really funny so but I get what you say and I do appreciate that because yeah I'm excited about new your faces and not just the rookies but <hes> there's going to be some really exciting things. The other thing I'm throwing mine. Tony and mine is could be tied for the thing that most excited about the thing there most worried about losing Antonio Brown and I think they're equally excited as they are scared of it and the reason I'm saying that is going in the camp. They know they're not going to deal with any crap this year. They know they're not gonNA have to appease nego. They're not gonNA have to worry about the fanfare whether he shows up in a helicopter a force or on horseback or in a freaking spaceship I mean they don't have to worry about that. They have an I do this ad nauseam. I've been in all year the WHO to my thing but really that's. That's what it is to me. It's they are more of a team and it's addition by subtraction. It could go either way. They still have to fill those spots but I just talked about bringing guys in. I think Dante Moncrieff I know you do you too is going to be i James Ferrier type addition to this team on the offensive side of the ball. He's going to be a guy that makes the pays huge dividend. It is worth every penny <hes>. That's Mike huge. That's my prediction. I think this guy is going to be it's going to let shoes useless history a star and he's going to be equal parts store on the other side <hes> <hes> if he stays healthy because Ben's going to make sure that he gets the ball but he's not gonNa feel like he has to get them the ball so that's my prediction as far as worries go your thoughts Tony Tony as far as <hes> moncrieff and we talked about you know he he's a he's a veteran and he's somebody that you know he's GonNa be all he judy might be the star but he's still at twenty one twenty to the FBI twenty two so he still young guy and the receiver they're receiving rooms mostly made up of young young young guys and here's the guy that's been around the block. He's He's played with Andrew Lock. You know he's obviously he played in Jacksonville last year he had to put up with that Blake Bortles but you know he's a veteran presence. They can leave them. They can learn from him and and I'm drawing a blank on the guy's name but who was the the veteran receiver they had here he played for the jets and he came here. If a nice possession receiver Autry Karcher yes somebody like that if he if he has kind of career here it'd be a free agent acquisition that you know we could be proud of unhappy for and probably valuable for them so I like that and what you said about Steven Nelson I mean he's the perfect a guy. The steelers go after free agency. He's he's looks like he's ready to come into his own. You know rookie contracts over now. He's he decided his first big contract and he's about twenty six so I mean he's not getting a lot of fanfare. You don't quote Unquote Win Free Agency with a guy like Steven Nelson you in March but when he can do for you and during the season in playoffs if they get that for you know that's that's what it's all about and you know I I apologize mark. There and I always forget about you know I'm so excited but Devin push but you're right mcbarron twenty twenty twenty nine years old. which is you know all football but you know he's a guy that can come in and and at a whole lot to that defense especially in the linebacker run because you know he played in the super bowl last last year? He knows what what it's like to to play on on that kind of stage so yeah I mean it's it's a free agent class. It's not <hes> flashy but it could be a huge evidence starting in training camp when these guys work the younger guys so yeah I I can't wait. Give her a food. That's doesn't look that awesome but you take a bunch of you're like Oh my goodness. This is heaven. That's what religion class could be. I'm not realizing last it'd be really can <hes> let me throw let me throw <hes> a couple of names out yeah <hes> kind of hearkens back to what we just did a couple of minutes ago but I'm GonNa go in just a slightly lately different direction. I'm going to bring up three guys and I'm going to tell you where departures where we were pretty upset about these guys the parks and then I'm GonNa tell you about what happened. We don't know the fallout with Antonio Brown Antonio Brown's number three. We don't know fallout but let's talk about. Let's let's do the pattern though let's go back to the year nineteen ninety five three more yards the guy who did not hall in the ball in the end zone had knocked away by Guy Dennis Gibson with a guy named Barry Foster. He's gone in fact. He never played football again. He's gone. We're like it's the end of the world in Pittsburgh in nineteen ninety-five they replace them with a combination of a guy that they're excited about <hes> I- second-year player <hes> in Bam Morris and a free agent another guy that you didn't know that well I knew he wants but no one knew him that well Eric Pilgrim they they went to the Super Bowl. They lost the Super Bowl but they went to the Super Bowl and that was a magic that <hes> you were talking about the other day with bill cowher teams and one of your in and one of your articles in here's the thing that was a magical season. Even though they lost I even watch those highlights all the time and it was so a magical game for me just the fact that they were there. I'm an adult watching the steelers from the Super Bowl for the first time it was off and <hes> but no one expected them to rebound after losing Barry Foster. LETS FLASH FORWARD TEN YEARS. They lose PLAXICO burress. The free agency flex ago was pretty damn good in his time here. He was a little bit like foster. He was a little bit of an enigma. He was the kind of guy that <hes> you didn't quite understand okay and where he was coming from. You'd kind of you're worried that he was going to just <hes> lose his mind at any point <hes> they they had deep they both had diva personalities so here you go you have hinds awards still there Antoine Randall's coming in his own got to replace him. Though we need a third receiver let's bring in Cedrick Wilson and the whole collective Pittsburgh world is going who in the Blue Hell is cedrick Wilson Central Wilson's the guy that contact ball against Cincinnati and the flea flicker and in that huge wildcard win. That's who he was <hes>. They won the Super Bowl Year so plus Florida now. I guy that you don't know if he's you know you're walking on eggshells around round just like you were foster. Just like you work. PLAXICO does a guy named Antonio Brown and it's all blew the house and they're they're replacing them with Dante moncrieff. I guy who no-one none of the pundits. Search cited about 'cause he's not sexy. He's not football sexy. I mean I'm sure hey you might be laney Sony. I don't care about that when I say sexy. I'm talking about football sex so this guy he's coming. Menendez can follow the pattern and there's I know the steelers don't have the defenses bid. They did back then guess what they made some they make some big moose they this is these are the the changes that we've been asking for getting another getting another <hes> <hes> linebacker in there <hes> getting another cornerback in there <hes> getting a a young linebacker in there. You're so yeah. These are the moves that were the move that we we're all crying for them to make <hes> the only other thing we wanted was maybe an outside linebacker and <hes> a safety but you can't get greedy. When you're I mean with free agent money you can't I mean you gotta get what you got and and this is a pretty good hall so I'm excited? I am not as worried. I think I'm more excited than I am worried but real quick. What's your worry going into this training camp? My worry <hes> well well. I mean honestly it's. It's the big elephant in the room. <hes> they took a leap of faith. They didn't have to get rid of Antonio. Brown didn't have to trade him. They could've could've made me stay here and they and they you know I'm a little worried about can replace places I. I'm I'm I'm optimistic that they can but at the same time it's like all right. Can you know they're not gonNA get somebody that is Antonio Brown but hopefully they can find you know don't moncrieff you know James Washington whomever someone they can it can come close replacing that production. I'm worried about that and I'm also Chris Boswell because we're not gonNA know if he if he overcame has mental demons until he actually shows us that he has and that might even be in the preseason he might not even and feel the pressure until the regular season again and some worried about that I mean can you know there are so many games that were swum in the negative direction because of of his <hes> problems last year so you know I'm interested to see if he can get back to. This is a proble form because that's that's that's probably my biggest concern with second would be turning brown how how they can replaces production. I'm confident that they can cause. I'm always an optimist but you never know what happens. They have to see if if they can if they have the right formula. I'm glad you brought that up but my question to you and I don't know the answer to this. You don't know the answer this either. What's your gut say is the organization or they worried about Chris Brown Chris Brown here there I go again? That's a guy that <hes> that had problems way back in the day <hes> as far as missing stuff then <hes> and hey hip hop artist Chris Brown is was rough to <hes> but Chris Boswell or they worried about this guy <hes>. I think they have to be because because he until until he shows them that there's no reason to worry. I think they have to be worried about him. <hes> I think they're going to be quicker to pull the trigger this year on a on you know getting rid of them if he you know like with <hes> like you mentioned. Chris Brown was in two thousand two thousand one <HES> I think they're going to be quicker to pull the trigger at this time if if he struggled to start the year so I think they might not say out loud. They're not gonNA say out loud but I think deep down they are they are they have they have to be worried about him. They just have to be listener. I'm Sean Rama's firm. Host of today explained leaned Vox Daily News podcast every day Monday through Friday my team and I look at what's happening in the world we pick one essential news story that defines our moment and ask smart people to help us understand it in about twenty minutes or less. It's the perfect way to start or Enger Day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP. It's from stitcher and the VOX media podcast network well there you have but that's <hes> that was the banner that we put on the show today. The biggest worries for the team going the training camp. The highest hopes for the team and that kind of that Kinda sums it up with. I'm thinking so I'm glad we put our heads together. <hes> feel free to let us know on B._T.. S._e.. <hes> always always your voice is welcome. <hes> you could also <hes> when we publish articles well you could put your thoughts the the article for the show you your thoughts in as well <hes> let's go around the steelers locker room real quick and other steeler news <hes>. It's been great not that much to worry about as far is <hes>. We're not checking the headlines every day to see what's going on <hes> but this is a big one and this is one that had to be addressed because it's a league issue and the and the person that to address it would would be the one and only Ramon foster who's the player rap but <hes> and it's the eighteen game season but before I get into that I <hes> you might have just heard my phone. Go off in the background and <hes> there's a <hes>. This isn't really breaking news but <hes> it kind of is it's just been reported. Martavis Bryant has applied for reinstatement <hes> this is according to E._S._p._N.. and He's applied because he's is working to address his mental health that could be interesting and now you're going to see. You're going to see a lot of people wondering whether the feelers should take a flyer on Martavis Bryant so real quick factor fiction Tony The steelers should stay away from Martavis Bryant and not infect this team. That's an absolute fact I mean they worked so hard to try to repair their images off season. They got rid of <hes> the main culprits Antonio Brown until lesser extent Levy on bell left on you know so yeah I think you stay away from that. Yeah I agree wholeheartedly so back the eighteen game season <hes> request so he went to twitter today and that gives Ramon foster. Who is you know one of my favorite steelers? I know you love this guy as well and Oh yes he. He brought up some really interesting. Things and I'm just GonNa read this one with this proposal. It's almost saying we know certain games. Just aren't important. We just WANNA pocket. More money. Almost makes it seem like it's okay to play down where we won't put our best players each game twelve over quality and <hes> that's <hes> then he goes on to say our biggest issues is trying to extend guide those two weeks off still mean practice. It's the biggest issue is taking away. Those two preseason games teams are made in those last two preseason dame for young undrafted free agents and he knows about it. He was a young undrafted free agent once <hes> but then he goes on to say the replacement kicker. If you sit the starter for two weeks laugh out loud it's a joke but you'll get my point and there was a picture of minion from run despicable me be new movies kicking and it's it's actually I I guess and <hes> it's pretty funny and <hes> and of course the millions are not kicking well whatsoever and this is actually disaster instead of kicking the ball they kick the minion holder which is actually pretty entertaining to make millions makes me laugh 'cause I'm got but this is all and I didn't i. I didn't really preface this with what he's talking about. If you don't know the eighteen season proposal is that you go ahead and players can only play in sixteen games so yeah you're going to have to games replacement kicker. You're going to have to games with a backup kicker. I mean excuse me a backup quarterback now. Look on Sundays in baseball you can go ahead and put SHAKAHB stollings in for allies. You can sit the catcher. That's no problem. That doesn't tell you you sit a Lotta guys in baseball on Sundays. They gotTA rest <hes>. You can't do do that in eighteen game season so you're like okay. I'm going to go ahead and say myth game against the Bengals is in San Important so I'm GonNa go ahead and these guys then you have the problem that we had as early as two thousand ten latest two thousand ten actually <hes> with the colts resting casting guys the last two weeks of the season they were undefeated and they were resting guys and actually needed them to not rest guys and win. A game in the steelers would have went to the playoffs one of those years. It wasn't two thousand ten. I'm sorry <hes> I'm not sure exactly oh nine yeah and the steelers would have been going to the playoffs Sanger <hes> but the rest of those guys so they changed the schedule around so it can be division games <hes> so there's more to <hes> the last week of the season is always a divisional game but that's still like when Cleveland's Owen Sixteen in the steelers are playing Cleveland or in fifteen and the the steelers are playing Cleveland on the last game of the season. They're put it in Landry Jones those two years and they did and they were able to get away with it <hes> but you don't want another team to hurt your playoff. Show chances because you're resting guys we saw it in two thousand thirteen Andy Reid it is notorious for this. He rested guys for the chiefs. San Diego came and snuck in the playoffs because they any rearrested. All these guys and you know we're seeing those guys doesn't really to help the team week sixteen. It really doesn't I. I excuse me week. Seventeen going into the playoffs doesn't help that but that's something that could happen so we're Ramon saying here. I'm thinking and I think a lot of people are thinking I would love to have eighteen games. Okay and Ramon goes on to say that hey if you're gonNA extend something extend the playoffs there sleeper teams that that <hes> bringing big money you if you WANNA have make more money and have more playoff games do that. I'm not sure how would work but I mean why not <hes> but they want everybody to have eighteen games. So you know the more than I would say I mean I was thinking before we talked about this. Maybe a month ago on this show Tony that if you have a less preseason games it doesn't matter right but but a guy like Ramon foster saying no it matters. We need those games. So what are your thoughts on this 'cause. I'm kind of switching. I'm like if they're going to only if. You're going to have backups in for two games. We've your important players. That's not good enough for me and I'd rather just stick with a sixteen season well. I never like you know there. Were they're coming from I if they only play sixteen games you know if every player only play sixteen games I it saves you know wear and tear but if you're GONNA if you're going to eighteen games scheduled go all the way with it. Don't don't be wishy washy. Don't don't try to compromise is go all the way. Don't do it at all because this is silly. It's like you said you know you're GonNa have a backup quarterback in for two games autumn you automatically. We already know how how bad play drops off when you go from the franchise quarterback to a a just a a backup you know so. You're going to have that like every week. So if you're not GonNa do it like you did it in nineteen seventy eight when he went to sixteen games and just said that's it. We're doing it like this then. Just don't do it all just keep it the way it is. I don't care either way. I mean I wouldn't mind an eighteen game schedule but then again I'm not a player I don't have to go through that and but I wouldn't want to see a product where I'd have to prepare for. You know I guess Josh Dobbs or Mason Rudolph playing two games. What if one of them is it is vital? No I wouldn't like that at all and as far as kicking I mean it's already hard enough to get to get good starting kicker now. You'RE GONNA try to find pack up kickers. No no just go all the way with it or or don't do it at all. That's that's my that's my opinion on it right. I agree wholeheartedly on that Tony I I would really. I WANNA see eighteen games because that's who I am. I know if I played. I would probably not have a problem with eighteen games. 'cause I just WANNA play but if it's going to go ahead and <hes> come into my career then that's a problem and the other thing that they're bringing up is <hes> and this is the more Smith is bringing up that if you do that they need three years to get their pension. They're averaging three point four years now to get to be invested player her and now this is going to knock them down to two point eight taking opportunities away. I mean I don't I mean that remains to be seen <hes> of course yeah he's against it. I WANNA see eighteen games names. 'cause I'm just greedy and <hes> but I do WanNa look at these guys one thing that drives me crazy when I'm complaining about fans in complaining because we complain about fans all the time <hes> that they treat players lake meat and and like puppets and not like <hes> not like human beings so yeah we we WANNA look at that side by side of it as well so if I'm completely on the Phantom once eighteen games but if it's going to hurt these guys <hes> I don't care what they make I. I don't care what they make. It's not worth it having your career over because there's a lot of keeping up the Joneses in the locker room yeah they buy cars. They have family members coming out of the one work. <hes> everybody went nuts when Latrell L. spree well of the timber wolves at the time said we we make we make more money but we spend more money and everyone got mad. Oh so you don't have to spend it. You know what that's Kinda got a true and if there's there's a market out there you know then they're gonNa have it so <hes> and you really can't complain. I mean if if you're in that situation I was under a guy at Foia. Today I about laying on balance like you know if you're in that situation and your people buzzing ear and you can get this and you don't know when you're if you're GONNA get the next contract being a running back okay. Maybe I got it and guess what it's starting to happen more and more and we prophesized this Tony last year. We said that other teams are going other players. There's GonNa fall in line. This is a bad president is being set and then and now you see the fact that he didn't really get the money that Antonio Brown God with his chicanery. So let me on Bell didn't get the deal. He thought he was GONNA get now. Melvin Gordon talk about holding out now Zeke Elliott's talking about holding out so it's just it's just one of those things that we're on their in their cleats and we're not in their shoes at home but that's easy for penny to say just like I don't know how much easier my life would be if I had that money but I had those pressures I might be harder. My wife and I talked about being happier all the time struggling because we know people that are loaded and they hate each. They're married and they hate each other. One of the things that that keep keep us together is the fact that we struggle together even makes it makes us closer so that's that's one of the things to think about as well I mean I mean when <hes> when biggies when the biggest thing no money more problems yeah he was right on one and they don't it yeah when we you know it's it's it's one thing to take care of the breadwinner for your immediate family but when you when you when you're somebody making that kind of money I think it's it's much easier to be have to be the breadwinner of three or four families. We saw that and those <hes> documentaries on E._S._P._N.. About about <hes> professional athletes who who went broke they're taking care of three or four household is that once it's so yeah it's it's it's easy to call them greedy from our standpoint but we don't know but they're going through and as far as a Melvin Gordon and everything you know obviously you would think that that he learned a lesson from Levy on bell but maybe he doesn't care. Maybe he thinks you know. Every every great athlete has a big Ego so maybe he thinks I'm GonNa get that money because I'm I'm worth it so it'll be interesting to see if he does hold out zeke Elliott hotel the incident awesome you see if if if they get the money that let me about it and I I highly doubt it but I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one and you brought up another good point and it's funny because I'm GonNa go into the world of music here her M._C. Hammer or hammer. <hes> Stanley barral was actually a bus. I'd on a bus at that point one time for the Oakland A.'s when he was young was <hes> he took care of. Everybody knew he took take care of everybody in Oakland. In the town there was there were people at concerts that said and I saw this on his behind the music his was one of the very first behind the music and they're like <hes>. What do you do? They're like I stand here one in there because this is we're hammered tells me the San and that's all he did and he got paid because he thought he was taking care of everybody the minute he started having financial problems those people people back now they they lay left them. Yeah he was their meal ticket and he was just helping them. He thought he was I mean you'd be good dude and they completely completely spat on them and and <hes> just like what have you done for me. Lately you know hi I'm Avery Felman and I'm the host of Nice. 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I thought that was that was something interesting in <hes> to bring up as I always do and I feel like I'm one of those N._B._C. commercials the more you know but <hes> my more you know is not keeping you safe is just about complete nonsense but Tony you're not gonNA get thirty seconds of your life back but if you're <hes> I don't the coffee shop or at the bar or <hes> or at work and you want to impress somebody there you go you. You've got that you waiting a conversation. This can win. That's right that salad. That's your challenge for the week. I'll do it tonight. I'll see if I can do tonight at the gym. Oh I love us well without being said. This is a perfect way to end the show so we'll go ahead in the show here. <hes> thank you everybody for listening next next week. I will not be on the show I will be <hes>. I will be out of pocket and <hes> enjoying some time off but tony you were going to still be here won't you. I will be here next week next Monday. Same time in our good friend Dave Scofield will be sitting in for me as well so <hes> be good to those guys and Tony will also be <hes> guesting on the steeler preview this week with Scofield on myself on <hes> anywhere you could download steeler podcast from beat P._S._e.. Youtube you'd watch live on Youtube. You know the stench I it's everywhere everywhere so just go ahead and check us out and <hes> Tony. It'll be filling in for me as well so I appreciate it. Everybody have a great week. Camp is almost here. The next time I talk to you we're going to be knee deep and training camp and it's going to be with that being said four Tony Duffy Oh four behind the curtain. My name is Brian Anthony Davis in you. My friends have just been hung over. Thank you so much and good night. Hey it's medically host of the eater upsell before you jump to your next podcast. I WanNa tell you about a new event. That's happening layer the summer in Brooklyn. 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Episode 9: Most important takeaways from Preseason Week 2

Establish The Run

30:32 min | 2 years ago

Episode 9: Most important takeaways from Preseason Week 2

"<music> i it though and welcome to episode nine of the official established run dot com podcast my name's adam levittown. I'm one of the cofounders year at each yarn as always tonight. I am joined by my partners but in this endeavor the man who sold out a library full of fantasy football fanatics popped white clause in the shelves last week it is of course evan silva evan. What's going on. What's going on man. We are finishing up the second full week of preseason not a ton of takeaways. I thank from the second just very similar to the first you know it's kind of reinforcing a lot of things that we thought or that we you know a lot of our takeaways from the first week but we all know the sample size is growing on which players are seeing extensive action with the first team which is are not in in their worst specific takeaways. We can really hammer on this show and some pretty big ones yeah <hes> yeah so instead of going team by team which we did did last week. We didn't want to reiterate a bunch of stuff that we already said. We just picked out. I believe we have nine year. <hes> things that we saw during preseason week to it is sunday they night. We are recording this before the monday night game so this only includes the stuff that we saw in the first fifteen games of week two in the preseason before we get to that we we did have some business side questions. I wanted to address quickly. Obviously the podcast that we're doing right now. The one you're listening to right now is free. However once the season starts our shows i will not be free. They will instead be part of our in-season package at established run dot com. We're gonna have to shows friday night. I think we've really valuable every night will go position by position hitting hitting on every valuable player on the main slate and then sunday morning going over late news new information last minute thoughts leading up to kick off. That's part of our in-season package available for two hundred dollars for the entire season plus playoffs right now includes evans ridiculous matchups column. You guys know in love in about seven other things that we think link are super valuable person that may rise as we get closer to the season so go check it out. You'll be able to find on the site. <hes> every it'll be in there okay evan enough business. This preseason week to is just about behind us. Let's get to it here. I think the most important things that we saw in we to came from pittsburgh although they did not play ben rothlisberger they bear very obviously he played their first stringers fourteen snaps in those fourteen snaps mcdonald got fourteen james connor got fourteen dante moncrieff got nine nine and james washington dot one a to me the vance mcdonald one is the most surprising but like the one. I'm happiest about because i think and i i know you do to advance. Mcdonald is a baller and finally getting a chance for an every down roll fourteen fourteen first team snaps and that is significant. I thought that the departure of jesse james was a pretty overlooked plus for vance mcdonald because no one really thinks jesse james fancy difference maker or anything like that but it's going up his playing time last year. Vance mcdonald was more like a forty five to fifty five percent player and now l. based on the preseason usage. It looks like he could be closer to you know in every down tight end and that's a really really big deal. It's such the big deal that i don't even think it would be crazy. If i moved him from. He's in he's in a i guess it's technically might want to my fourth tier of titans and he's at the top tier over jared cook and david and joe coup. I don't think you'll be crazy. If you put them up right with with hunter henry i mean it's he. I think he's an awesome awesome draft pick right now and i think he still actually a little bit undervalued in the steelers lead the n._f._l. In pass attempts last year. They're missing so many unaccounted for targets from last year with antonio brown on jesse james gone etc and vance. Mcdonald is the guy that i thought from day one might be the biggest beneficiary of all this jews locked in but then a lot of targets and a lot of opportunity up for grabs among in a receiver that they signed free agency pretty cheaply dante moncrieff or receiver and james washington who really has not been on the field <hes> with the first team has shined when he's been out there with his college quarterback mason rudolph on but didn't earn bench trust last year and then you know a bevy of slot receivers in ally rogers and ryan in switzerland deontay johnson yeah <hes> one thing that you know people always want to say well jewish just to be the one that benefits from internal gone. I mean last year. Juju already had like twenty three percent target share. I believe he can't go much higher like you can't get to thirty percent plus unless you're like deandre andre hopkins like it's just so so so rare so these targets from antonio brown are gonna have to go somewhere. I totally agreed advanced mcdonald. A king of the stiff arm <hes> vance mcdonald. I set up really really well and yeah i would. I would have no problem with you moving him up into that to your oriented just putting him on a tear by himself. I think he's pretty clearly better than jerry. Cook david joker the other thing that people like to say evan. Is that all jalen samuels is going to take snaps from james connor. They're going to go to a committee because there was some talk of that. In pittsburgh media <hes> that is not how the steelers have done it for the past. I dunno eight years or something even on belt went down. It was typically a one man show at the running back position. You've been steadfast in keeping james connor very high in your top one fifty you must've enjoyed seeing james connor bien on fourteen fourteen first team snaps yeah and it reinforces the steelers historical lean toward using a main back whether it be a true future feature back whether it be leaving on bellwether be gene joe henderson. I'm sorry danger yeah. I'm watching this friggin. Biking henderson not in yet is he got mike at the end zones now james connor and and even when jalen samuels got those opportunities last year he was pretty close to a true every dow back. I really like jalen samuels but i think he's probably just a straight handcuff. He might be like the best handcuffing the league i mean he he legit might be the best handcuff in but i think he's a strict handcuff. I think he's way better than banks. It's now who by the way we've seen a lot this preseason and i mean he's just he's just as advertised as he was. <unk> kentucky mike kennedy inefficient grinder <hes> but jalen shambles is a is a baller but he's not a guy that i will be drafting looking for any kind of standalone value yep and jalen samuel when he does get chances of james connor honor goes down. I love playing jalen. Same isn't defense jesse catches the ball so well <hes> yeah and i was encouraged as as somebody's you know adam schefter we went on his podcast. He was like give us one sleeper and i was like god i better get this right and i said dante moncrieff <hes> ages washington's play this preseason has been awesome has been mentioned but still nine <hes> i teams nassar dante moncrieff even though he's missed a lot of time with that finger issue one first team snap for james washington i think we've talked about here before that like they're gonna play a a lot of eleven with <hes> likely james washington and onto monkey from the outside in june the slot so it's not that big a deal but yeah i think moncrieff ninety one is a good sign for him as well <hes>. Let's move to arizona here. I feel like i'm the only one talking about this and maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe i'm just a total donkey but christian kirk has only only been in on thirteen of calories twenty eight snaps and christian kirk has been in the slot for seventy. Seven percent of them might concern evan. Is that if christian kirk if the new regime views him as only are primarily a slob player well. That's fits lines. Larry fits has been in on seventeen cars. I twenty eight snaps in the preseason fits pittsburgh slide for eight percent. Am i reading too much into this evidence of possible that we're gonna see christian kirksey playing time <hes> not where everybody expects it to be come. The regular season yeah the concern right now is with is he going to be rotational player and this is a situation where we're going to have close is on that third preseason in game for starters are probably going to play two plus quarters and <hes> you know. We'll have a more firm takeaway then regarding christian kirk you're there. It's not like christian kirk and larry for battling for slot receiver snaps because they're going to have to slot receivers because they're gonna play a four receiver offense but if he's just going to be a rotational player than that is a concern and that's very unexpected i mean you know i think that we all oh went into this expecting christian curtu fulltime player because last year he played seventy percent on the outside and he has the flexibility to play inside and outside and we just gotta wait until i haven't moved him down or anything <hes> but we gotta wait till that third preseason game and then you know if he's only in their on like fifty percent of the first the first team snaps that it's going to be a little worrisome for christian kirk. Yes speaking of worrisome guys watched cuyler murray's performance in the second preseason season game but i mean they were just a total disaster out there. I think they must offensive. Penalties on half of their plays. <unk> over through a couple of guys. Offensive line was giving up a a ton of pressure. I'm not worried i would say because i don't think they're actually running what they're going to run in the regular season yet but man it was it was tough to watch and speaking of tough to watch <hes> the cardinals have now lost robert alford. They're big ticket free agent cornerback to a leg injury. He's gonna be out at least six weeks then. Obviously we know patrick peterson suspended for the first six weeks. This secondary has a chance to be the all time bad and maybe that's good for. Maybe like gets him into a bunch of garbage time situations. I'm just not optimistic on the cardinals like really being competitive are early in the season ahead. You think the robert alford injury kind of effects where they're out on defense. You know it's not in. It's not just those two guys it's they had to cut a starting defensive end area filon. Who i thought was a really good signing for them. Do an off field issues. They're going to rely on third round rookie zack allen to be a starter upfront and then he saw rettig <hes> they are moving to a three four defense this year and he is going to be a starting inside linebacker acker for them. He's questionable week warned you to a knee injury so yeah i mean i i. I have like a level all of excitement about the cardinals for sure <hes> with because i'd like to see i'd like to see what teams do something different. You know that's how teams get to the top. Patriots have been doing stuff of different from all the other teams for years and that's why you know one of the big reasons that they've been able to stay on top for two decades though the eagles do something different day a really fully embrace in olympics and <hes> your they rise to the top of the league. I like it when teams do things differently but also that that can go wrong so i think that it's it's kind of a boom bust situation. In arizona. You would rather see the guys playing well then playing poorly at this stage of the year but the defense is absolutely going to be a complete set. I mean mike glennon was shredding them. In the second preseason game. Mike mike frigging glennon jerick card did whatever he wanted early in the game who and they're going to be really bad on defense that also is going to lead into situations where they have to play with a lot of urgency on offense. They are going to have to stop the run. You know we we know that them you know that stopping. The run really isn't isn't that big of a deal but it's a big deal when you can't stop it at all you know and that was the case for them. For long stretches last season and part of the reason why are they finished thirty first in offensive place an order to in order to run as many places they want to. They're going to have to get the opposing offense off the field in not let opponents just slam the ball down their throat play after play after play yeah yeah exactly exactly why i laugh when people say oh you know let's project the cardinals for like seventy plays game eighty plays game your defense being so bad and also you know the offense could be really efficient. <hes> we'll see if it is but you know a lack of offensive efficiency if you're going three and out a lot <hes> is not going to lead to a lot of plays run by the way the lions traveled to arizona for week one. I think that you know even though the lines are firmly on team established iran shoutout to them. I think stafford stafford and golladay and carry on and marvin etc said are going to be <hes> interesting okay. Let's go to the new york teams real quick. The jets continue to play sam darnold group for significant snaps. She's now played twenty three in the preseason. Robbie anderson has been in for all twenty three quincy noon while all twenty-three herndon suspended the first four games all twenty-three jamison missing crowder twenty-one. I've even more interesting are are co worker here. Path orman <hes> noted that they were no huddle on eleven out of twenty three of sam sam darnold snaps forty eight percent in preseason last year. The jets just four percent no-huddle atom gays just fifteen percent with miami last year. I think with better players you can afford to run the no huddle more. You can try to run more plays. People are excited about this. Jets offense evan depressing gun. You excited. They look really good. Yes yes yes definitely raise level of ex- of excitement regarding the jets adam gates always wanted. I mean you always talked about how he wanted to klay faster in the off seasons in miami. You made a great comparison <hes> to like high school basketball teams that <hes> this was on the platform in podcast. I believe you compared teams that want that play slow because they have you know they know that they're at at a talent disadvantage so they play slow like i remember 'cause my our. Our basketball team was awesome and teams that would play a us would try to like because there was no shot clock in high school basketball and <hes> dribble the ball outside the arch and like the fans would be like <hes> <music> this saw and i mean it did suck but it increased the variance right because i'm actually actually scott. Pianowski talked talked about this on our show about where we discussed the those two season-long topics at in you know by by race he used the <hes> if he was gonna play steph curry in a game of a shooting threes he would want to just want it to be a game of shooting one and three. You'd hope that he would get lucky and steph curry with brick and he would hit his. You certainly would not want to play a game against steph curry. Taking fifty shots shots were no. You certainly would not be able to view so it's a very similar concept if that was what was behind adam gays playing so slowly holy in miami now. He's got some actual talent. You know their offensive line. I think the era was up on their offensive. Line all needed to be like a a mediocre unit. <hes> and i think that could be okay. Sam darnold has looked like a star since the beginning of last december in his carry that into the preseason robbie anderson anderson is healthy when she was healthy jamison crowder win. Healthy is an excellent <hes> slot receiver and then chris earned in a is bombing out to unfortunately. We won't people to see him until week six. It looks like but yet they have run strictly eleven personnel. They were the dolphins last year. I think we're a seventy five eighty. He percents <hes> eleven personnel team <hes> but this year's jets looked like they're gonna be maybe in the rams vicinity of running eleven personnel so we know who's going to be out there from you. Chris rock herndon at tight end rob anderson jamison crowder in quincy <unk>. Unfortunately the jets play the bills in week one. I do think the bills will have top hop three defenses here. I think we might disagree on that have been i'm not sure but <hes> it's a tough spot for the jets. I believe they pay the bills in week one but still i'm excited about this offense. <hes> <hes> overall <hes> speaking of new york teams young quarterbacks danny dimes evan. Daniel jones looks good. I it's obvious to anyone with two is i'm no scout but it's very obvious that daniel jones is better than you lie manning right now of course after the game friend of this show joining ron on relates us that pat shurmur said john maher owns the team team. We're on the same page. You heard it from the owner. Eli is gonna start allies the starter etc etc. I'm curious what your thoughts are on daniel jones and curious. Are you more likely to maybe give shots to the giants guys under the impression giant skill players on the impression that day on jones going soobee in at some point early this season yet again. Just wanna see dana jones play just tired of the stuff you know it's just it's time to move yvonne. You know it's time to move on <hes> and now they have what looks like a promising young quarterback like let the kid play. Let him take his lumps. This is the best way to learn you. Don't get better from watching other. People play nearly as much as you do by doing the reps yourself and that's how that's that's what i wanna see. The giants do took daniel jones in scott fishbowl as i think quarterbacks four and i love the simply he averaged thirty six rushing yards per start art at duke and seventeen rushing touchdowns at duke so he immediately is just going to add an element of of athleticism to who the giants offense that it desperately needs and he looked so far like he's going to be capable of just getting the ball to sterling shepherd in evan ingram and that's really all that we should be asking just deliver the ball to art due to have a chance to be value picks german shepherd as a chance to be a value picture. He's gonna get to play in this lot during golden tate's <hes> four-game suspension and then if he balls out in the slot like they rip them out in the slot and put him outside now. I don't i don't think so. I think it's sterling shepherd. It's kind of like a decent pick right now and i love of ingram is a guy that i think has shot at one. Hundred twenty five targets yeah <hes> <unk> ingram as well. We talked about him on earlier podcast. Go back and check that out all right. Let's go to tampa bay. Nothing new here i mean james has played twenty two snaps chris god when it has been in for all twenty two of them. He's been the slot receiver when they've gone to three wide personnel. I think one thing that <hes> i noticed this past because that o._j. You know the first two years of his career kind of rotated with cambrian. He was around sixty five percents of the snaps overall but so far this preseason would you howard has been in on twenty one of twenty two snaps. You do love to see it evan. I know you're extremely high on o._j. Howard in an every down roll a it all this talk from people like bruce arians doesn't value is tight ends in the past game etcetera etcetera bruce arians knows talent when he sees it and o._j. Howard is bubbling over with talent. Yeah these people that say that bruce. Arians hates tight ends. I mean they haven't been playing tenor hudson and the preseason it does. He have more fantasy points than anyone this preseason he you might have more than anyone armenians yeah. Now i mean current president of team preseason this year her shadow to tanner hudson just crushing it out there. What a monster. I mean you know if you're looking to invest in o._j. Howard you should be thankful foale right now that he hasn't ripped like a truly big play yet he looks like an absolute beast out there when he's on the field <hes> and in in a shrew every down role which really hasn't had <hes> the first couple of his in his first couple of seasons because he shared time with cameron break but we're going to see him in a very close to every now roll this season and he's i fully expect him to be a huge part of this passing game. You know he averaged. He's averaged eleven yards for over eleven yards target in each of his first two seasons rob gronkowski in nine n._f._l. Seasons only got two that mark mark once in zakar travis kelsey have never gotten there you know we we're dealing with a really really special talent. I don't think it should surprise anyone if after the season when we come out of the season calling jay howard the most talented tight end in the n._f._l. Yep love it okay. <hes> kansas city barely played their starters. Even they said they were going to blame for full half. They decided not to patch mahomes only played two series. I noticed that damian damian williams got the first series carlos hyde got the second series on also noticed the darwin thompson is bawling like if you just watch him i go around the edge. Darwin thompson looks really good. I think he's impressed the coaches as well. I'm curious if you're getting cold feet at all on damian williams as the no-doubt starter we've all seen speculation that caused high could end up getting cut so i don't know where you have the kennedy backfield after the second preseason week yeah i've held strong with damian williams at eleven heaven haven't moved them have thought about i've thought about moving giving him but i have not moved them and now he's back healthy and he you know they gave him starter treatment. I mean they they used them with the ones and then they got him out of there after like four or five snaps so actually liked to see that he still has a monster upside is upside has not gone away at all. I think it would be smart if they use another another back last year down. The stretch during those six games were damian. Williams was the chiefs feature back. I mean it's not like he was getting you know. Twenty-five or twenty-seven touches per forgave us getting nineteen touches per game and he scored ten touchdowns over the final six games in the average over one hundred yards from scrimmage that you know obviously without the touchdown touchdown expectation. We're not extrapolating to sixty two sixteen games but that's the kind of usage i expect. It's probably in the seventeen to nineteen touches his per game and heavily utilized in the passing game and then. I think they should use darwin thompson because he is really really explosive. He he can break tackles. He can play in the passing game and he's a guy just jacked up in my rankings moved up to i think i had arbi fifty seven then and then move them up to our be forty six so he is now ahead of his a._d._p. And he's a guy that if you're using the rankings you're using the tears good chance uh-huh drafting darwin thompson. I want thompson on my teams. Yep <hes> one quick thing on atlanta that <hes> we noticed actually it was it was <hes>. I think it's at context matters. I believe on twitter noted that calvin ridley was only eleven personnel not too wide receiver sets for the falcons calkins muhammed sue was in two outer seaver sets cavalierly only came on in three wide receiver sets. I don't think that means that cavalierly is not going to have a really good year still gonna break out but it's just i think it's somewhat caps his feeling a little bit to the point where i'm not quite as excited excited excited by cabinet. Maybe not quite as excited if he's not ahead of muhammed. I still think he's gonna smash mohammed to new in terms of target share. I entered production but it's just a little bit disappointing and not to see him out there to receiver says. Do you think that's a factor evan or am. I overreacting <hes> i think it was that way for most of the season last year and so it looks like they're not going to change that and calvin really is not going to be every snap player but i'm with you. I think he's going to have a solid season. He's not someone woman and i've been getting really in any drafts because he always just goes a little bit ahead of where have him but i i think he's a solid pick. He's going to experience some some touchdown regression. You know he's probably not gonna score ten touchdowns again. This team is going to run the ball a lot more than they did last year when they finished thirtieth in rushing attempts but i mean yeah i mean it kind of it kind of reinforces to me that i think that i like where were met on kelvin ridley which is not. I'm not giving him a in very many drafts unfortunately yeah i wanted to issue a my bad on the damian harris situation new england's rookie running back <hes>. I thought that the the reason he didn't play in preseason week one because they were protecting him he was with the starters. I didn't want to risk him to injury. It turned out that the reason in plain week one is he was nursing some minor hand slash wrist issue because in preseason we to i'm he'd damian. Harris almost played the entire game. He had fourteen carries four four catches <hes> played into the fourth quarter at least deep into the third quarter so yeah i take over that i said last week about them putting him in bubble wrap it turns <music> out that they had no problem in a preseason game running damian harris out there for three quarters <hes> where you at with the new england backfield. Do you think damon harris heiresses now like not a threat to sony show. It's it's gonna be a tough backfield again. It's it's gonna be really tough backfill. I haven't really been getting any of the dudes in drafts. I think i mean i. I like sony michelle a half him r._b. Twenty r._b. Twenty two right now. I think <hes> but joe is just goes a little bit before me or before. I'm willing to take him and then james. James white goes way before a mind. Take him <hes> yeah he. He wasn't even usable when he was barely barely usable down the stretch. When sony michelle was rolling last season and then now damian harris there who can kind of do a little bit of everything birkhead is still there so <hes> usually i amended investing in patriots and certainly very invested in josh gordon in more willing to take some brady now but just haven't haven't been able to pull the trigger very much on the patriots running backs two four man stable. Yeah it's true i i do think if sony michelle if damien here's really is not factored also michelle l. has just massive massive touchdown upside like he could easily lead the league in rushing touchdowns <hes> if things break right for him all right last thing we're going to hit on tonight is the cowboys boy did play deck <hes> on that first drive. I don't know if you guys watch the game in hawaii against the rams but i mean doctors shredded yeah. The ramsden plenty starter deck in the cowboys first team when right down the field. It was a really long drive on that first drive. Tony pollard touched the ball. Seven times capped it with a fourteen yard t._d. Ron there was no touch for al none for mike weber none for dares jackson. Tony powered looks like if zeke mrs for week one which i'm skeptical of but if does miss week one twenty pollard is going to be the guy evan how saturday you about tony pollard and i don't know if you watch that dry but that was pretty awesome. Oh yeah i've been excited for about tony pollard for months months and months <hes> you know he's he's really frigging good. You know he's really really explosive. He would have been a much bigger name ed. He backed up derail henderson at memphis. You've got a hundred and four passes in three seasons seasons in college. He returned seven kickoffs to the house. You know he's he's. He's the real damn deal <hes>. They think he's very similar. From a comparison standpoint alvin kamara they have openly compared him to alvin kamara and they even even if he comes back induced <unk> is gonna come back this is this is a super bowl window for the cowboys. The cowboys are in a really really good spot entering this season. I think they're a a top ten roster and i think that you know they like their defense is is really strong if they can get and keep all those dudes healthy <hes> <hes> their offensive line is back together with travis frederick you know i think they're going to get zeke encamp error on the team <hes> head of week one but they need to find ways to get the ball into tape into boston into tony pollard's hands and you know now. They have a younger aplly more forward thinking offense coordinator telling moore. Who can you incorporate ways to get involved even after he comes back yep. Oh man loved watching tony pollard in hawaii. That was awesome. Okay <hes> from where information like this follow us on twitter at evans silva all one word while me on twitter at adam levinson all one word check out our site established iran dot com four evan for producer luke for jerry. I am adam good. Luck everybody <music>.

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The Scho Bro Show, Part 2:  It's okay to trust the Steelers

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The Scho Bro Show, Part 2: It's okay to trust the Steelers

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive in two thousand nineteen. And we're back. Pittsburgh steeler fans with the second. Half of the sco bro. Show part two. I am dave. Scofield co editor behind the curtain dot com and with me by big brother rich. How's it going to grow. It is going going gone just long. Well here's the question are we going. It's march. I mean i was talking local baseball stuff just kind of had that on the brain. I can't believe that. I'm using this show as a basis kind of last week too but this one more in march. How different is everything going to be with the steelers next week when we talk the next week. We'll talk the next week when we talk and then we'll get a much. I mean three weeks from now. We're gonna have a much better idea of what's going on with the nfl draft right now. My crystal ball. That i use to see what's going on with. The steelers is quite foggy quite foggy. It will become much clearer in the coming weeks. We gotta trust them and that. Gm we trust that. He's going to clear. I've just imposed back out right now. I'm just back to johnny carson. Where he put the but update head and guess what was in there. Yeah sorry you. You'd probably remember johnny carson most certainly do because even though i was very young if you liked it i did too okay. It's just not work. So hey felicia sorry. I just saw her in the live chat jumping in philly. We've got four ninety nine from an from gani crosby after we got that penguins update but says the may the mainstream fake sports media hates rothlisberger with a passion. For whatever reason. I'd say not all of them but there's a lot lot that i know what the deal is. Just you know what i. It's hard for me to say that because they are something that i can never not be and that is biased towards my team pittsburgh steelers. I'll always be that way. You know right. Yeah but i always felt like like there is some truth in that. I think early in his career Ben kinda rubbed some folks the wrong way. We had the whole motorcycle incident. And then of course. The troubles in the suspension harry's cracked and you and you had that stuff going on and a lot of people kind of fell out in love with bend or net time but also benz not a suck up to the media. Kinda guy no. He's not he'd never really has been and so. I think that just continued to rub some of those folks the wrong way yup and then you know then. Ben honestly turned his life around met. A nice girl settled down. Had a family didn't really does really address what happened in his past. It's his past as his past and some people don't like him for that some people don't like him for the fact that he grew up and found redemption. If if you know what. I mean the and at a different outlook on life moving forward. So we're gonna play gangs who play game right now and that game is. How much do you trust the steelers. We talked about it. Find to trust the steelers. It is overall we do. We know we trust with the decisions that they have. I will give you another example. Let's tell draft. Let's talk draft if the steelers are drafting a wide receiver. How much dressed. You have in the steelers that they're gonna pick the best one for them. Even if we think someone else's better at that moment. I trust that they have a poignant enter enter sticking with their plan now if they we as we have sometimes seen we the steelers have jumped in taken some guys early in crafts. That have worked out very well for them. It was a guy who was to be a part of their plan. Move forward but the person just doesn't work out jarvis jones and then you're not answering my question i am saying specifically if the pittsburgh steelers talented last year with their top draft pick if they choose a wide receiver. Even if it's someone that we might not have even been thinking they'd be drafted at that point like with me when it was johnson before you trust the steelers that they are making a wise move in. Drafting that player at that position. I do absolutely syria. There either. Drafting if we're like oh wait. We needed a we could've used you know Just yeah we got an inside linebacker here well instead of a wide receiver. Well what if the highest rated inside linebacker we had there. We thought maybe there was a chance you could get him in the next round and this receiver has fallen. You know. I mean there was no plan to hear. They drafted ben roethlisberger initial bland and some people thought. Oh my gosh we had. Tommy maddox the world that we go get blah blah blah blah blah. Well you couldn't pass it when rothlisberger fell that far. There's no way you could do it. The steelers couldn't believe he fell that far so they drafted him. You go get them all right. Paul says you know what guess what you honestly think that every franchise going to nail every player from a certain position ever. I mean you bring up like the like the biggest busts of the steelers wide receivers when you look at all these other ones that have that have overachieved. that's five so still beings. They're not perfect but seriously. Would you not trust the steelers in drafting a wide receiver. I would when they chose to take chase claypool. I know a lot of people are upset that they didn't take dobbins there. I'm like you know what i'm gonna trust. The steelers wide receivers that good. That he's the right pick for them. Guess what only one year in looking pretty good looking pretty good. That's just one of those things that i trust. Now i'm gonna ask you. This one. The steelers have to go out and replenish. The cornerback positioned through the nfl draft. How much do you trust them to knock that. Pick out of the park. Not as not as much nearly as but not near as much again. I can go the day. Rowden says well that depends do. Do we reach for somebody somewhere because we need a corner or do we get a value corner a little. You know they have a lot of trust with the steelers. When it comes to drafting cornerbacks now. I know some people are sure. Yeah get especially when there's pressure pressure to get a cornerback. We have not done. Well since rob how you can argue ike taylor but the yeah rod woodson was the last one. They hit out of the ballpark. Now by valer. I taylor was was extremely solid. And what you think through the years in there that we had kind of those two and we've had some other higher picks of kind of whiffed on. I'm going to combine those those two positions remember in two thousand seventeen there are. Some people are very upset that why in the world of the steelers drafted a wide receiver in the second round. Why would they take this. Juju guy k. They needed a corner. They should have been drafted in the corner. Right there right dan right now. That's what they had to have. What are they doing taking this guy and bottom is they said we couldn't pass up on him and he was there. He's that good. trust us. we know wide receivers and abaya the thing that i said well. They might have a quarterback that they think they can get later you what they got a pretty good quarterback with their next choice in camp sutton and it would and it would have been smart to take sutton in the second round and it was very wise to take juju when they did so. Believe it or not. I think cam sutton is one of their best. Cornerback drafts draftees in a long time. So just the fact that they're that they would like to retain him and even though he hasn't been called on to have to be a starter. He's done well with what they've asked him to do. How let's see what's what's another one we to do. Okay so how well do you trust the steelers. Cutting loose of locker room problem steelers cutting loose locker room problem. Yeah totally trust it. Yeah so it did. If they've always done that that when they've got rid of someone's like why would they get rid of you know plaxico. S that was that issues with cintos homes. Then of course you know. We got third and fifth. He forced his way out on that one and they try to make it work and things like that that eventually that they just realized that. It's not worth keeping. So and i mean that is not differed through any of the three coaches since nineteen sixty with the steelers have had that they have always handled. Those things are pretty well. I'm sorry i finally just looked at my live. Chat was way behind. Not scroll down. And i saw like that. That's just too funny. When there was just one that i saw the top where have guinea krog said. I'd like to juju pick or the teacher picks. What do i know you know. Hey you gotta own it when you you know. Jeff still says that i hate diontae johnson simply because i didn't think they need that they would draft the wide receiver from toledo. Because i didn't remember his name that high and good thing they got him. But some people still say the verdicts dole out there. As long as he holds onto the ball. He's great so that's that's how he's had no. Do you trust the steelers to spend the money. They need to spend on their players in order to get them. Okay give me a little more like there's a player out there that you know whether it be a free agent from from outside or their own. How do you trust the steelers to how do you say open up their checkbook checkbook to make sure it happens Actually trust them a lot. Which seems might seem strange for some people to say the. The steelers are very picky. Come sit there. Free agent signings in pain guys a little more money But their track record on those have been pretty good so i kind of trust them. Yeah see and that's the thing. Knee jerk wise. I would say no. I don't because all they lost out on this player all the why would you sign that player. And i give some examples. That didn't work out too well but a lot of these when you look back like i'm like really. They went out. And you know they signed a corner from the chiefs who aren't known for having a great secondary and you know and pay them. This money becomes a free agent steven. Nelson's been fantastic for the steelers in the two years that he's been here. That's just one that i know. Here's one. I'll tell you what i think i was. We joe haden when he was released by the browns and he came. I couldn't believe actually landed him. I didn't think they'd be the steelers. Do i couldn't believe. They actually put off. The tree for fitzpatrick parade did not needed to do so that that actually really restore some faith in me. Here's what i didn't like when the steelers shows to sign anthony cicchillo for the price that they did. When he could have gone to new england they would've give them a decent and let eljay fort walk for half the price. Yeah that's one. That didn't that that was correct. Every franchise is going to have those kinds. You're gonna hit your perfect also again. You don't know his budget behind the scenes. Exactly you know for every steven nelson. You have a la- dairies green for every joe. Haden you have dante moncrieff you know. What are we doing. Why would you say so. That's that's the thing that there's certain situations would you trust the steelers and you're like some of it's like i don't know that i do as much but it's funny almost every one of these questions. The your first impression might be not so much like me with corner now not so much. But then you're like well. If they're not pressured into having to draft a quarterback you know you got a good point there that my trust kind of rolls right back around to them and that's why we're saying it's okay if ultimately you end up saying you know what i think. The steelers should do this. But i. But i i trust steelers bike. I know there's certain people that are out there on social media alaka change after free agency but looking at right now that the nfl draft was tomorrow and at the steeler come up to pick twenty four and if nausea harris's on the board and they don't take him they are going to be irate a depends on trust what they do they do. Take now i if if a nausea type players. They're they draft. I don't know pick somebody can position. I don't know i'm just thinking about you. Know kind of every someone who might be projected. Moore's their second round pick creed. Humphry san correct if if if harris would be there and they take guy they reach for that guy. That probably could've tried to target in the second round but they take him in the first round instead. I will understand more. Why people are upset. But i won't give a final grade on it until everything plays out. Yeah see because. Here's this is how it's going to be. It was a little bit last year last year. You had the combine but you didn't have most of the pro. Because they were any of them that were after the first week of march they were done unless it was a really early one this year. You're not having to combine your only have in these special for people aren't we aren't getting hardly any information from them aren't so the experts are telling us these players great or i test you tell us his players great but you know what the steelers they have a really good scouting department's you gotta give them that they do and they do their due diligence now. Some people might be upset with how much in love with players out of the university of maryland. Or the mac or you know. Ohio state things like that what to say. The back is better than what most people give him. Credit are that i mean you know may not have been as great of teens but there are a lot of great players. Come on that. you're you can still have great individuals on teams. that just aren't complete an alabama. You know what i mean. It's just how it works so this year going to be really tough to gauge. Because all the. I mean you could no joke. You could have guys to the top that don't go in the first round because all the experts think that's where they're going to go but when teams break it down they're not going to see your big just sent last year. I thought it'd be the case this year. Even more t different teams big boards are going to be so so different are going to be thinking that they're getting a steel in round two or another team might not have that player to round five. Right and vice verse. What i'm saying. Yes that it's just how it's going to be this year. So that's what i think is going to be crazy about that. If there is a guy that the steelers feel like they need to get and that's the thing when it comes to like like what tackle would you like you know if the steelers got there. They're like let's say they do go with an offensive tackle in the first round. There's going to be a lot of them and let's see there's still three available like which one of those would you have taken. I trust the steelers to have dissected that better than myself right even if you know nervous that they know is going to be right for the steelers. Yeah yeah exactly exactly so. That's kind of how are we going to do. do we have. Do you think we have time to think if you questions before we get our big question. Just a handful okay. we will. We'll probably only about five but if we can get some questions here answer quick you know would be nice visit topic. I bought a mine. Is i trust the steelers to some of these things to to some of these people weren't ready that we were gonna put this in here so if you see if you see a question there lots of great discussion the jack tonight as always 'cause you all you bring it that's what you do. So here's a question. We'll bring it up that he's supposed to know will the steelers cutty bron. I doubt it why because they don't have anyone to get to replace him or pants mcdonald at this point. Yeah i mean if the thing is if they cut hebron they have to do some work at tight end. So i i would enough. I was gonna guess. I would say no simply because of what they have left if they cut he brought. It's going to be after. They signed somebody else if you know what i mean. Yes you know Give today's release of cairo. Rudolph and kyle van noy should the steeler nation finally make a run at the nfl. Kyle's and hashtag pay kyle. That's a good. I love that one. Yes both of those players. Were released today. We're actually doing a thing. jeff is doing. I think it's going to be out for seeing the morning. I'm not sure we're going to do a tracker like we do. A tracker of stuff. That's going on with steelers players and things like that like mark he's pounds. He's a retirement fight. He's officially placed on the reserve retired lists. But there there's We're going to be doing a tracker of free agents give players get released. The could actually. I don't know about the like vanoise. Not released trying to trade him but if they released him a lot of money with that one. I kinda liked that one I i kind wanted him at one point so tower w says the salary cap final number. I don't know. I mean the the tv deals might become through. Then they have to work out something special. The salary caps always been on the last year's finances you know that those prophets it looks like that's not what they're gonna do share but if they do they have to work out an agreement for it. You had another one today. Oh wait. I saw one and it skipped. Hold on. okay they are. You says do we. Trade for wilson as future at quarterback. Now now did you. Can't they can't afford it. You can't i mean when you're needing to build your team you can't be training away your capital and i just don't that's just not the way the steelers do stuff. Okay tonight's we gotta do because you you have to answer this next one okay. I'll do it. We'll do this one more. Well the steelers keep just favorite player berry to to training camp absolutely i see jordan berry coming them signing offering him minimum about their and saying come to train and kim. Nobody else wanted and don't need to sign for a lot more. But he was your punter. You brought him back last year. He's gonna be camp but if he if they find somebody else that ends up being better. I don't know that it will definitely win the job. But absolutely i mean you will see jordan barry and steelers uniform in august. Write that down. What do you think it. yeah chance you will. Yeah so all right. I'll i'm gonna bring up the last question before we get. That's i'm going to double check because people are saying you're wrong yet again. what about. Let's just bring up should okay. Who's running back in september. Connor now snail was he said mcfarland dodge or any en. I'm going to say the answer is how many they got in their fight got five. The answer is f. None of the above. I'm going to say out of all the if you may be put money on it. That's what i'd bet right now. Honestly i if if you're giving me that or the field. I'm taking the field but out of the names there that i'm going the safest pick to bet on which would be snell because i'm not convinced that the steelers are going to use a first round. Pick on either of those guys you know. Everyone thinks that's what they need to do. Yes they need to fix the running game but that comes with the offensive line. And they're gonna. I think they're gonna the might even answer this question in free agency the lower end free agent so we might be talking running backs now and by the end in three weeks it might be no donate it so rich. Did you have a big question. No i was gonna come back because people were calling you out saying you know what the van noy thing. Yeah and vanoy has. They annoy announced that he's going to be released but he's not to release but the dolphins have not yet released him. 'cause they're trying to train him. There there was a big report on that. I passed out on the jeff hartman to to put in our thing. That was the report. That i read that they they. They told him he was going to be released but they haven't done it because they're trying to trader. Yep something return. I not seen anything that that is the latest that i see so type. Okay okay because i got hype it and it's it's basically the question of the show you're gonna give me you're going to give me don't give you a big explanation. Bring it up. You gotta give me were to answer but if you keep it under five word that's fine. This is it. Because i'm going to ask you and then they're going to bring it in. Do you ultimately trust the steelers. Do you ultimately trusts the steelers wretch me. Yeah of course we do what it really comes down to it. We might think we know what's best but do we set a win and realize that ultimately do we trust the steelers we what people go to say or what you should say or you know. I don't know. I'll tell you. What jeff say george says. Yes okay still. Dog says yes. I do sherry. Says yes and then i'm skipping just me says yes i like this one. Garrisons ninety percents short. Yes nobody hits a nobody two thousand back two thousand. I mean people all the steelers can't let me you realize like half the nfl players get drafted. Don't play more than even a handful of games a lot of them. So richard mckinney says. Yes mark. Mckay mark davidson. You gotta do it. The accent i say. Thanks joe absolutely gay tyler. w why. Es crease says yes. Kyle doesn't leave. His high geico says eighty plus percent of the time. Kathy like your answers in. Rooney's i trust. Get yes brad says. yeah. I always will. That's why they're my squad. I'm just kind of giving people this was more of a reminder. I know you guys trust them but sometimes we forget that we just the that we we make these statements and things like that that shows that the make it seem like r. Trust is wavering. In the steelers the next one very telling you got to that weinberg yup not a top five pick in my lifetime. Yes the steelers aren't really bad. You know up the highest seed them dress in position i mean for forever was ben rothlisberger and eleven. You know they got bush attend but that a trade up to get him can say forty six has yes it drafting wide receivers steelers. Pittsburgh says yes and through says the colbert skeptic says no so i'll be taken i understand okay. Felicia says she's on the fence heavily shah k. Garrisons i guess. Maybe says abso frigging lutely k. k. Donald says says yes. Trust steelers okay. Partner says borna. Maybe she's like she. Yeah yeah or the denver. Form there tonight to hang onto depend too long. Yes chad says no if it means going to the postseason game so that you can have your take. Reginald says of course. Tom says eight percent most of the time sixty percent of the time. It works every time that thaddeus the before because he says no tomlin's jag off That is what is up with you today. I've seen more negativity from you in our live jet nights and i think i've seen for a long while. Did you like get some. You know didn't eat dinner yet. are you angry. Being joe says most wind since the merger. Absolutely i'd have to. I'd have to check that fact. That wouldn't surprise me Donald told me that was a terrible word. Guess what guess what. We are still the power. Rankings yeah you can. If you can't name where that came from then you can't judge it so yeah light washed. I saw it last night right right. Actually i wasn't even watching. But i cut that line coming up and make sure that was there air To the it's been fun trying to pick through these conversation jerry cherry band up there okay. He says he says h e double hockey sticks several hockey sticks. Yes yes. that's that's our jerry jerry band. Make sure you're checking them out. Could great great musical audio side of our of our podcast so bottom line is it's a reminder. You don't have to agree with everything. Someone does in order to trust them. You know and. I know that you're like sometimes the trust is broken. I mean i have an article coming out probably tomorrow. It's it's hitting the what was the high point of the steelers twenty twenty season and i already know that there's going to be a bunch of negative people. How could you talk about a high point. Bubba worry the low point articles coming next but at the same time looking back at some of the parts of the season i mean on. Nfl network tonight was the was the colts game. I'm like there was some good exciting stuff that we got from. Our pittsburgh steelers this past year but yet alternate goal. Show the colts game. Yes funny. Because while i was at dinner tonight they had for this past year. Steelers cowboys on. Oh well they. Sometimes we'll pick in teams doing several games today. Must be the steelers So and your and your son got the movie. Wrong did yes. oh and that was after. I even posted the answer but the up there and he still gets it wrong so make sure that would be my son who made the distinguished honor roll in the second quarter. You giving the answer. She gets wrong. He added figured out on. Its own so make make sure you check that out there. We we can live in our negatively in our sorrow for so long about the steelers and the play offs. And everything else. But you know what we've got another season coming up. We free agency coming up. Sometimes we need to get out of her own pity party and get back to work on seeing. What makes this team and getting it to be the best that they can be next season. And see what you can do because you never know when the one little spark is gonna create something and you're gonna get on a roll at the right time. Not eleven wins to start the season but eleven wins to end the season. You know something like that so if you just want to live in that self and wallow in that misery of all the browns and they were down twenty. You know you can do that. But that's not going to help. Twenty twenty one steelers. So let's get out there. Let's get behind our team. Let's trust at the steelers are going to do what they need to do. Rich final thoughts trust there. Yeah there's one right now. I'm just totally the trust. Is there in the steelers. They will have my trust until they do enough things that they lose it And i don't know if that is anywhere in the near future could happen. Exactly you're exactly right. There's a lot of things. They would take a lot of things to break that trust because of how much they've established over the years and that's why they say a woman last time are the greatest franchise in professional sports. So we'll we'll keep me here next week. Hopefully we'll see a little bit more shape of this team. maybe not. it might still take some time. We'll see how things are going. We got all the podcast still coming at. You might have a little something different. Friday night with tony show. Tony still be there but we might have a little bit something different plan for you. All we can verify that. We'll probably give you more on that on thursday just to make sure that everything's good to go there but make sure you're you're checking out all podcasts and make sure you check out behind so curtain your one stop shop for offense pittsburgh steelers and once again next tuesday nine pm will be right back here. Talking about our love for the pittsburgh steelers rich wait.

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Steelers Stat Geek: The Steelers bouncing back from a huge loss

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Steelers Stat Geek: The Steelers bouncing back from a huge loss

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan Pittsburgh steelers fans hands welcome back to another episode of Steeler Stat Geek really sorry that we got started here a little bit later tonight. I was trying to change some things up with my Internet and cheer up my signal a little bit which means hopefully we should be good to go just had some interference going on and wanted to take care of that and hopefully we are good with good quality audio and video and if not please let me know in the live chat but this is Dave Scofield on the deputy editor of behind the curtain and here we go talking about some of the numbers with the steelers game from this past week. We'll talk a little bit. Let's let's move onto the next week and we'll talk about some key numbers for what's coming up first and foremost I will. I do want to acknowledge the people in the live. Chat it just so you know we are live on Youtube at the time. If you're listening to this later on on audio form or catching the video live on on Youtube not live if at some other time that some of the stuff that will refer B- referring to is the live chat going on right now for those of you that would like to know how you could get involved with being in a live chat. The the best way to do that is to go to. BTS's steelers radio on Youtube hit subscribe and make sure that you have have your notifications turned on. I wasn't getting notifications air for a couple of episodes but I did get one tonight and he would go but one thing that was brought up in the live chat already I'm not going to spend the whole night just staring at the live chat but I knew there was a report that did come out within the last hour of of a sexual assault accusation against Mr Third and fifth. Actually I'll say the name Antonio Brown because it's it's a news thing. I'm going there ear that one. He is not part of what happened with the steelers this past weekend. He is not part of what's going on with the steelers coming up this weekend. If you didn't know about that you could go. Oh search that on your own. There's news outlets out there. That have been reporting it so there you go. That's if you want that kind of information you can you can go search for that but I wanNA talk about what to talk about. The numbers from this past week which just once again gets me frustrated and sad and a whole range of emotions but let's talk about it. I'm going to focus on one thing this past week the number that I'm GonNa talk about more than anything is sounds like I'm going to be doing a basketball number and that it is and one and for those of you that know what's going on. It's the it's the large number of either third and one on and fourth in one situations that the steelers found themselves in where they did not convert in fact in the second quarter with the exception the very last drive of the quarter which was with under thirty seconds to go in Iran one run play if you don't if you throw that one out since since that that was run every drive in the second quarter stalled because this steelers did not convert an and one play they did not convert to third in one place and they did not convert a fourth in one play now a lot of people pull or curious about why the steelers didn't do certain things some news came out today about that which will touch on just a second but just to go over the I'm going to focus focus on those specific plays in the second quarter. I know there was even more and one plays that happened throughout the game but if you look at just the second quarter alone the one the first drive in the quarter that stalled was on a third and one of the hand the ball off the James Connor bad father made a good block but but the defender fought off really well that to where he he fought off was able to hit Connor Eric Connor did get a short gain but came up about three inches short. The steelers were deep in their own area in in their own side of the field. They had no choice but go ahead and punt the ball away. They're the next drive. When the steelers were faced with a third one they ended up. Let's see that was that was with the the first one that happened with ten forty remaining in the second quarter. The next one was seven forty six remaining in the second quarter. They were on their own forty four yard lines. They we're a little bit further downfield. That's when they made. If it would have been the same situation they might have gone for it on fourth down. If it was a if it was a fourth and inches like the previous drive Dr but that did not happen because they went to run a toss sweep where the Patriots were more than ready for it and it was a loss of four yards on the play so then it comes to the next steelers drive where they were just across midfield they were on the on the New England forty seven. I think it was the only play in the first half that the steelers ran in New England territory it was a fourth down and one the steelers go to take the field they come out with Zach banner as an extra tight end they come out with Roosevelt Knicks who will mention here in a few minutes at fullback. It was at the two minute warning that come out for the play and Ben Rothlisberger calls time out and then they had everyone heads to the sidelines headlines and they come out and they have five receiver spread wide. I don't know if they're all wide receivers or I didn't break that down that far because I just I didn't want to didn't want to have to watch it again and that was the play where Dante mockery was open and then let the ball get into his body rather than catch with his hands and then the defender was able to knock it away might have just been dropped anyway in Jeff to be completely honest with you so that was the breakdown of what happened in those three drives now. Let's see the steelers managed to not end those drives but they don't even get into the touchdown zone there you go. Brian Anthony Davis I and they do get down close enough and they get three field goals from those three drives then the steelers are down twenty nine coming out of the half and when they get down close to score when they ended up on fourth on fourth and short going for the field goal rather than going for the touchdown to the I travelling third quarter they might be more apt to go for a touchdown if they already have those points on the board I know a lot of people were upset at the steelers did not go for it the on that on that fourth and goal when they kicked a nineteen yard field goal as a former coach coming out of the second in the the second half down twenty to nothing and understanding momentum. I understand what you can feel. Go there three points. It's kind of living in your fierce I but at that point you hadn't yourself much to not be afraid of the whole game and getting seven what have really given a boost to your team. Getting three gives you still boost but not nearly as much getting is zero is soul-crushing that is why when in doubt you could take the three points in that situation if they'd gone for it. I want to say they were crazy but I also don't think it was crazy for kicking the field goal in that situation if the steelers would have had any points on the board at that time then I think it would make more sense to go for it in that situation -Tuation so I am not going to roast the coaching staff for not going for the touchdown there but let's get back to Rosie Nix 'cause I mentioned a couple of times it came out today and coach Thomas Press Conference. I wrote an article about it on behind the steel curtain dot com that you can go check that out if you have already about. Rosie Nix actually only got hurt during the game and is expected to miss coach. Tomlin said there's a good chance he misses this week and multiple weeks so oh coach Tomlin was then as later on if that had it if that led to the not running the ball and a power running situation in on those other plays on those and one place they had next on the field ready to do it on the last one of those in the second quarter so the injury must have occurred after that so that really is an excuse for anything with the first half so that's what's going on with Nex. I think the biggest thing to take away from the from the game on on Sunday was those and wants situation. Okay I'M GONNA open up in the live chat now to see if anybody has any numbers they would like to talk about from this past week. I have really been following the live chat up into this point because I know there's a lot of people when they're talking about various different things but now I'm gonNA keep my eye. 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SB Nation only draft kings minimum five dollar deposit is a required deposit bonus requires twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details that the reason I think those players were so big was because as a former coach I would always tell my players a football all game even a blow out football football game could come down to five or six key plays a go one way or the other sometimes it's only one or two that you can trace it back to you can think back to last year for the steelers and how many of those games came down to one or two plays that went the right way or went the wrong way so that's that's the way it goes and the thing that I always tell my players. Is You never know what plays as those will be so always assume it was the next one you had to play every play like it was going to be the key play of the game and that's the way you were going to succeed it but with that in mind there's only a few key plays there. If you're talking about the steelers being able to put you know seven nine fourteen eighteen whatever points on the Board to match the Patriots Twenty that they had in the first half and then get the ball coming out of halftime. It's a completely different game. All those plays did not go. Oh you're way so therefore you're in a blowout game. That's the difference in the NFL between a blowout and not a blowout Logan They Lorenzo has a number from this past week one the first touchdown of the year yes. We don't have that yet. Okay cre- wants to know the number of drop passes. I don't know the exact number drop passes. I'm pretty sure that what awesome stuff has appear. He had number eleven. I'm pretty sure sure number eleven had at least three drop passes number eleven is Dante Moncrieff. Give numbers with him. If you didn't catch my my analyzing the lost by the numbers that came out Monday morning he had three catches for seven yards on ten targets. He was targeted more than any other receiver on the steelers. Ben was constantly looking his way ten targets three catches seven yards that is point seven yards per target that means if the steelers got the ball on their own twenty five and was going target. Dante moncrieff every play and he kept that average it would take one hundred eight plays to get to the end or the touchdown zone depending on what you want to call it so that's what's going on there. That is a problem too. Many targets not enough catches definitely not enough yards. Okay I know now. Some people had mentioned the whole notion of of snap see. Logan talked about that. There's the ten targets K. Someone did say that it wasn't three. I know at least three they said number four increase most drops in a season prior to this year that he had four for the season season and then this year he had at least three Darren Dalton wanted to throw this out there about zero for the amount of commonsense. BJ Hannity out of that that that is not all on BJ fanny on that play is when the Senate doesn't snap thought he turned around and said to ban he's like he held up two fingers saying. Didn't you say onto so that was just a miscommunication on the first play of a new center coming in for an injury. I'm pretty sure it was the first play but that's that's what happened there so that some of the numbers that that that came about from this past week's game it was it was disappointing. It was disheartening. a lot of the things that I've talked about from last week that I wanted to see while I wanted six sacks. I wanted to the pressures up the middle. I talked about on the steelers burning question in about who needed to step up the most with Steph. I said Steph onto it because I needed multiple people getting pressure up the middle. They couldn't get to Brady. They couldn't get the Brady Brady it was it was almost to the end of the third quarter by the time. The steelers got their loan sack. They didn't get much pressure on him. It seems like the steelers came out content to just try to do everything that they did last December because it worked then the only problem with that is guess what the Patriots were going to do all off season now and they played the steelers the first game of the year at least they did as of the middle of April. What are they GONNA do then. They're going to actually figure out a way to fix those exact the same things. I wouldn't say it was because I look at going into the season playing a team that you played one of your last four games of the season last last year. Obviously the Patriots had to be thinking about things because it was the last time they had lost a game you know excluding the preseason that they were working on they they obviously we're going to adjust people talk about engage engage in game adjustments how about game to game adjustments and part of your adjustments and this is sometimes it is frustrating. Part of your judgments is adjusting to how the other team adjusts wow. What say that again just to make sure that we say that part of your just moments need to be adjusting to how the other team will adjust obviously the Patriots are going to look to take away some of the things that the steelers did successfully last time T. J. Watt was double teamed almost the entire night they had they were keeping people in there to chip with a two guys blocking them all the time. They weren't Goulette. J. Watt beat them. The other guys needed to step up. I also feel like they try to use formations a lot in order to keep JV hargrave not into the nose tackle because when he was at a nose tackle he did all right there. We Go Darren Dalton Senate right counter adjustments. I like saying it the weird way so people don't understand what you're saying but yes. You're counter adjustments not just your adjustments but you're counter adjustments so something something. I would really like to see. I would like to see J hargrave in a defensive tackle which means when on the steelers are in sub package not a nose tackle where they only have two defensive linemen have admitted defensive tackle with came. Hayward is the other defensive tackle. I haven't come back to watch the game that much depth because I frankly need to keep a bucket next to me when I watch it because I feel I wanNA throw up. I don't really WANNA break it down. I I was GONNA. Go break down those plays on those third and plays but we actually had someone else in the website that went in and did that and that should be coming out sometime. I'm sometime soon here on still curtain so that's that that I'd really like to see Eh. JV hargrave and came hayward out. There is a two defensive tackles because I think that that could be a good combination nothing against Steph onto it but I'm just saying if you're going to rotate tate in in the pack you don't always have to have hargrave with Aloe you could do some of the things about the steelers didn't win. Their individual matchups guys is did not win their individual matchups when guys are certain people being double teamed other guys are being single team and you have if you WANNA game you have to win. Those matchups chops all right before we move onto this week. Just a couple quick things of news notes to add the steelers did make to roster moves today. We'll maybe I should say the roster with made yesterday when they traded Joshua Dobbs to the Jacksonville Jaguars for a fifth round pick next year. That's a great deal for the steelers good opportunity for Dobbs because with falls going down they needed another quarterback and the fact that steelers got got a fifth forum. I think that's fantastic. I think that's great out of taking out of taking a seventh but they they took the fifth now. As some other places places had been reporting about the steelers roster moves yesterday and the problem is so many people got confused to think that the steelers actually really made the roster moves even though the hangover there was some issues with this the steelers did not make the corresponding roster moves yesterday. A lot of people were told that all hodges oranges. I mean there were I saw media outlets report. That hodges was on the fifty. Three man roster didn't happen. The steelers didn't report it that I was very adamant about not wanting to report report until it was official so the steelers did not add devon hodges to the fifty three man roster they added Devon Hodges to the practice squad so for the first time I think sense to the year two thousand maybe Tuten two thousand because it was t- Martin was the third quarterback but but was kept on the practice squad rather than on the active roster so it hasn't happened under Mike Tomlin at barely happened under Kevin Colbert but the steelers are going gone with two on the roster one on the practice squad part of the reason they might have done that part of the reason that they might have done that was a player that they did sign to the active active roster which was Jay Rohn Elliott think I'm saying it right J. Round we'll just say J. Because that's what they conference for. J Elliott who as you recall signed with the steelers two days before their week three matchup against Tennessee played sparingly there had to tackle a lot of the the first team guys are playing with that but but when it came to the fourth preseason game he is the player that had the strip sack an eighty eight yard fumble return for for a touchdown he was not eligible for practice squad because of his years of service in the NFL so that's part of the reason why he wasn't in the league last year. He also also led the A. F. in sacks. I'm pretty sure actually I'm very sure I know that he did during their airtime so the probably the reason the steelers are only doing two quarterbacks on the roster so that's a number two two quarterbacks. The roster is because the player they were going to bring back wasn't eligible for the practice squad but the other player was so that's why Devon Hodges is on the on the squad and and Jack Elliott is on the on the roster and I know that there was another player out there that was released this past weekend that the steelers fans are up in arms arms about losing to the giants. I know I don't even want to say yes. Unfortunately to our skipper was claimed off of waivers and that was the problem. I already had an article ready to go that was saying that skipper hodges joining the team. You know one of the practice squad one on the active roster just for when the news broke I started to get an idea that out there so I could be quick with it and then of course you never came to fruition but let's move forward. Let's move onto the Seattle Seattle game because there's some interesting numbers here and unfortunately as Lance Williams says historical stats don't matter that's what we were trying to say about going up against the Patriots that the historical stats of how steelers do in Foxborough. Tom Brady does play well in week one not in the first four weeks of the season but in week one they do because they have so much time preparation. Everyone knows if you give the give the not everyone knows but most people know that if if you give the Patriots extra time to prepare that they're going to come out with something extra prepared so that was part of what's going on and that's why that's why the Patriots although they like. I said there's been times. They've struggled early in the season. It usually hasn't been week one. It's been the next a few weeks so we try to say this. Historical staffs didn't matter and it seemed like they mattered whether anything so. Let's talk about some good historical stats. Let's talk about the steelers urge returning to Heinz field for their opener. Now I looked back all the way through the Mike Tomlin era and and there isn't a year since Mike Tomlin became coach and I didn't even go beyond that 'cause I'm sure I could have gone further back to figure it out and I might have to do that for for for the steelers preview this week is at the steelers have always had an equation of their first. Two Games are one at home waterway that that's not always the case but that's kind of how it's worked to offer them. They've had a home game at an away game whether it's they open at home and then go on the road or the open on the road and then come home for the last. I think five years now they've got the longest streak in the NFL the steelers have opened on the road and then come back home and week too so of those of those situations under Tomlin. When the steelers have gone on the road. I and they have come home week to the steelers are six and one in week two at home. They're only loss. It was last year against the Kansas City chiefs. They lost forty two to thirty seven so they had a six game win streak in those situations until last year but that was a formidable opponent sealers did not play well. They did fight back but they were kind of plan from from behind the whole time now in those games not only come home and and won six of those seven wins the closest margin agenda of victory was eight. Every other game was a double digit margin of victory so that that's one of those things that that that we've gotta look at their sorry as I am shifting around my my little notes that I have here is. Is that if you average those that margin of victory it's it's. They've won those games though six games they've won. They've come home for week two by by an average of nineteen points if you even include the Gabe it they lost against Kansas City and take the minus five into that into consideration they still have an average average of of of margin victory of fifteen point six points in week two playing at home they have scored on average twenty twenty nine point six points in those games so when the steelers come home for week two with the exception of last year under Mike Tomlin. It's been pretty successful now. Let's look about what happens when they come home in week two after losing on the road in week one that's happened happened since. Mike Tomlin has been the coach three times and in those three games the steelers are three now and the march and the and the closest game out of those was a seventeen point win over the jets in two thousand twelve. Let's see in two thousand fifteen when they after losing the opener to New England they came home in week two and and beat the San Francisco Forty niners a game that I was at forty three eighteen. That's the that's the game where Ryan cheesier went crazy and had like fifteen tackles got injured. Laden and Mr next several weeks in two thousand twelve they lost their opening week game in Denver and then came home and beat the jets twenty seven to ten and then in two two thousand eleven when they went to Baltimore Week one came hayward mentioned this because this was his rookie year they went to Baltimore and lost thirty five to seven they lost thirty five to seven they came home in a week to play the Seattle Seahawks and they beat them twenty four to nothing so in those three games the steelers averaged thirty one points just over thirty points and they averaged giving up just over nine points so when the steelers have lost in week one and then had to come home for week two they've been they've bounced back back pretty well with those so that's good bounceback statistics to have their another thing of note. I still haven't got my number for the week. Another another thing of note is how the steelers have done against the NFC west at home under Mike Tomlin an answer answer. Is there six no they have not lost at home to the NFC West under Mike Tomlin now granted the only play them every four years and therefore they only play the same a certain team every eight years but they are six out the closest. Gabe about of all those was in two thousand fifteen which was the twenty five thirteen win over the Arizona cardinals game that was started by Michael Vick and finished finished WANNA come. Behi- a comfortable and then decent victory by Landry Jones so that was the closest game against the NFC west under Mike Tomlin at how out of those six games the steelers have had three shutouts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too fashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then. Mike Mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP so I think I'm back. I don't know if y'all could hear me. During that little reset I have full signal we had I was actually guesting on a seahawks podcast earlier tonight and he was having the same problem with stream Myard so. I don't think that's that's me. I think that might be a provider so hopefully we. That's the last time that will happen and hopefully I'm not breaking up too much offer offer. You guys this evening but the number going to talk to is zero. I don't think they can replicate it but the Seattle Seahawks have scored zero points at Heinz field in their two games that they've played played in Pittsburgh since Heinz field opened in two thousand one the Seattle seahawks have been shut up both times. It was twenty four to nothing in two thousand eleven and twenty twenty one to nothing in two thousand seven now. That's a pre Russell Wilson and I would even say that I would consider that pre legion of boom. It might have been right when that was getting getting going but that was that's what's going on with the steelers historically going up against the Seattle seahawks in Pittsburgh now but I wanNA move onto to turn out to catch back up in the live chat but I wanted to bring up a super chat that that came up earlier those that do not know the super chat features where you can type in your your comment then you can click on the little dollar sign there and you can donate any amount of money you would like to to the show as as I cut out again but we will funnel that back into the show into the website for things like me being able to ship David Decastro football onto whoever wins that but here's here's a super chat question that we had it was from Raymond Raymond Santiago through a dollar ninety nine into tip jar and kind of sarcastically asked what would take for Moncrieff to be cut demoted on my answer to that is more than one week of a terrible performance that wouldn't happen that quickly although I will tell you that if the steelers dealers do cut Dante moncrieff before I take it some time in the beginning of November that he would then no longer count towards the compensatory formula formula and they could possibly be in line to get another compensatory pick. Although it would probably be like a seventh rounder it might not even make it toward they would get it too. It's not really or is is it too so I am going to once again. Call out for for numbers for this week. If anyone has anything they'd like to throw into the live chat. I'll I'll start looking at those see if we can catch up here and he numbers you would like to see. I wanted to give a little bit of history because I just wanted people to feel of what's going on with sorry about that. There was another issue. They came up here. I didn't look at like what specifically they needed to do for this. How many sacks they would need what other things we want. We're going to go. I was just trying to just give a little bit of perspective of how the steelers have been known to bounce back after poor week one performances the Darren asked a question of how many times they've been on Ford made the playoffs the steelers did go four. Oh my what year was added. If if someone can help me was that two thousand fifty two thousand fourteen when they went. I'm getting my years mixed up where they WANNA win. Four five back to be eight and still almost made the playoffs playoffs so there we go here we go. I got Mark Mark Davidson. I like this one. I'd like five sacks and one defensive. That's of touchdown. You know what I would like one touchdown that would be nice especially a defensive one but five sacks it's GonNa take some saks now to get caught up remember the the steelers lead the NFL and sack last year and then. They only got one the very first week so here we go. We've got a score prediction. We've got a score prediction. I'm from AM I. GonNa try to say that that screen name all portrait so steelers went thirty one to twelve. That would be very nice then here. We go how about more. TD's Adi's than I am teased for Ben after week to that would be fantastic. Darren because last week he had no td's and one interception a creature comes absence of four sacks one interception two hundred and fifty yards allowed three hundred fifty yards passing hundred twenty yards rookie running zero two and I didn't get the rest of it there but that's all right. That's pretty specific. They're cre- Hey. You're giving me numbers. That's what I'd like to see. Ryan Kellerman says fifteen tackles tackles from Devon Bush. They have how many I know. He led led the team attempted. He had ten tackles. Is that what he had. I didn't have it in front of me but I do know that he led the steelers and that that's someone was answering some other questions about the steel curtain of going nine games aims without in nineteen seventy six ron threw that out there. I don't know if this is correct or not but it sounds pretty good that in one thousand nine hundred sixty fence had non gains of not not allowed. Can here's a question from Dallas saying we'll Ben Washington sink this week. You know what needs for Banta Washington in this week is how about Washington on the field together. Those of you follow behind steel curtain or places like that on twitter during the game. I generally don't watch during follow during the game I catch up during commercials but there was a lot of people saying why is Washington not on the field why Johnny Holton out on the field and James Washington on the sidelines. That's great question especially early then it's not going to establish a relationship Asia with him at the field together instead he wanted to throw to Dante Moncrieff who kept dropping bump came trying to catch up here a little bit. Here's some your SOM- among some score predictions some other things. Raymond says gotTa See at least twenty to twenty five rushing attempts. I would say yes but it really. It comes down to the yards. We need more rushing yards came. Dallas says twenty one twenty the steelers over Seattle he he picked the same score of Seattle from last week. ron asked Can we get one hundred rushing yards from connor. I'm going to say yes because with with the show that I was on earlier today that will that will come out later in the week for for Seattle's espy nation a podcast that was one thing that they were concerned about help with stopping the Ron Against Cincinnati and then since just didn't run the ball unafraid steelers will do the same thing because they did today handed pass the ball effectively against Seattle when Andy Dalton had four hundred plus yards came. This was something talked about earlier earlier. The Tigray wanted to know about Elliot to the practice squad or the fifty three man roster and that was elliot went to the fifty three man roster. Devon Hodges went to the practice squad and Sutton Smith team. Just must not be interested because he was not back Logan Logan wanted to know. How do you signed back into make week two picks for the DECASTRO football. I was going to mention what went on with with that. you just gotTa go right back in the Yahoo Fantasy sports go into survivor. It should bring a League backup that you're in assuming you're pick was right the first week the most commonly amidst pick for this with people that did not make their choice in time they did not go back make selection. I think we had twenty six of those twenty. Four people missed the the Browns game and over twenty people miss the Detroit game because it was a tie that was not a win a a lot of people the the most commonly picked game was the Seattle game which came down where they had to take the lead in the the fourth quarter against the bengals that was there was over one hundred fifty people to pick out one that would have knocked out a bunch the one that was the second most commonly pick game was the eagles goals and they were down seventeen to nothing to the first half so just goes to show that was survivor. You never quite know what's going on so if you're still in the league if you made a correct pick you just gotta go right back. You just need to go back to the page. If you're right there again just book market whatever you do you can just go to Google and type Yahoo Sorts survival football and it so if you're signed in and it'll just bring up your stuff all right so that's the way to do that so another prediction of thirty create thirty one. I know that I had a super chat here that I'm trying to find. Where did it go here. We go from from various to a dollar ninety nine hundred a tip jar and said. Do you think the defense abouts bounce back from this week. Tell you what they better they need to you're not going to win. Many Games giving up thirty three points now. It's not that the defense looked awful. There were times when it looked awful. They they looked like they did earlier in the season in most years where they were struggling to make sure that they were communicating well and everyone knew what the play was Sean. Davis wasn't there. That was a big issue but that's their jobs to be ready for this. I know you want to improve coach. Thomas says you've got to get better as the season goes on but guess what that's fine but you are professional football players and you need to have that first level of that baseline of where you start that you're improving from much higher than what the steelers have been doing when they come out start season yes. They're going to get better but you need to be. You better to start. You need to be better prepared. I'm not talking about more time in the preseason. Ben Rothlisberger. The stat was they said it was one technically was too to because they didn't count the two point conversion attempt Ben Rothlisberger through two more passes in the preseason the Tom Brady did but so you can't say that it's just that I'm just saying the overall work in preparedness just needs the Abetter K. Mark says do prejean interception at three and a half sacks. I'd be happy if the pre just just just became a factor at all so there's that let's see if we can keep going. It was two thousand sorry mark. You're you're right it was. I don't know why I said two thousand fifteen year two thousand fifteen thousand thirteen when the steelers started with that fourth because it was it was I'll just call him. The former number twenty six it was his rookie year and he did not play until week four when they lost to Minnesota across the pond and so that's going on Dallas. His moncrieff has one catch this this week okay so. I wish it was said that much I'm GonNa come through and just make sure there was nothing else. Is there as we talk about one other thing that I wanted to bring up that if they wanted to throw it out there in the live chat was that there is is an article that will be running tomorrow. We did it last week. I'm GonNa do it as a weekly feature. It's called bookie and that is having being the behind the curtain any users in there or anyone who who reads the articles there. I put a pool in of ten games that I picked of which line which game would you like to bet against the spread and place a wager on. We have what we call box. It's it's just a fake on amount of money to see how we do betting games last week yeah well we start with five hundred dollars and then each week. It's one hundred fifty fifty and twenty five. I believe is the way that I said I had to check back on the article of the top three vote-getters and of course and this is something that this week's goal dressed us. Everyone picked the steelers. That was the number one pick so therefore the one hundred dollars went by but the other two picks we want on both of those one was the rams to cover at Carolina and the other. I'm pretty sure was was it Houston or was it Kansas. I'm pretty sure it was Kansas City. in the Kansas City game which of course they covered as well so if anyone has a game or a specific line that they would like like to throw out there to make sure it's one of the ones mentioned I'm always GonNa put the steelers in there unless our homer ism goes crazy and and people who don't know what they're doing come in and pick steelers every week and we keep losing money because they're not covering this brad or things like that other current spread for the steelers right now as they are favored by three three and a half points the last. I checked for this week so that's that's. That's another important number so with that said that Article V will be coming out tomorrow. If there's any match ups like honestly I'm really tempted to say take Miami giving eighteen and a half points to the New England patriots at home because for some reason they have crazy things happen happened to Miami when the Patriots go down there last year with that crazy lateral play with gronk out on the field of defence. Miami wins the game with no time on the clock once again. Thanks again for tuning in guys. It was a really good job in the live chat. I've tried not just focused on it where I'm just sitting here and and kind of get caught up reading more than just I doing the podcast. Someone said that they mark said he think Miami has twenty eight and a half when I checked the other night it was eighteen and a half which there's enormous line to say that because if the dolphins could lose by seventeen and so cover mark also brought up the last time that the steelers played the the seahawks was in Seattle and that was that it was a really good thirty nine to thirty game in Seattle in two thousand fifteen th that was a pretty good game so the steelers have put up points against it's against the seahawks but you all know that's a whole different place to play and you also know how the steelers play on the West Coast so let's get those guys at home at one o'clock gang and that sounds sounds pretty good to me but I want to thank you for tuning in again. Hopefully the numbers weren't too discouraging. I'm trying to keep some optimism going forward here here. In the week to I know last week's performance was disheartening and a loss loss but some losses thing more than others and that one's done pretty bad because of the way it went down when the on the schedule came out and when I went through and predicted what I thought the steelers would do. I had that game as a loss us. I pick the Patriots in the survivor pool because if I got knocked out of survivor Paul I would've been happy came so so a loss as a loss and all that lost means a week was the steelers can't go sixteen or now but when you lose like that it doesn't feel that way. It feels like there's a lot right. More doesn't give you a lot of confidence that things are going well so let's get the steelers back at. Heinz field see if they can get the ship righted and then if not then. There's going to be more room to panic a no lance. Williams wanted to talk about the urgency of our not going to. I WanNa see how the steelers perform I wanna see if they are giving us a quality performance. That's worthy of confidence moving forward so thank you all for joining in tonight night. we'll be back all. I've definitely got it to say this. We've got tomorrow night. We got the standard of the standard where I'm pretty sure. Brandon from the Seattle explanation page is going to be joining Jeff in Lance to talk a little bit about the seahawks Thursday night. You Have Myself Brian Anthony Davis and Jeff Harbin back the steelers preview Friday. We have land Williams coming with another yet said it Saturday. We will have the burning question. That's going to be the host of that. Show is going to be kind of a a rotating basis could even be two people here or there but between myself and Lance and Jeff and Brian someone will be we'll be covering that on Saturday Sunday. 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Steelers Stat Geek: How the Steelers can get time on their side in 2020

Behind the Steel Curtain

31:24 min | 10 months ago

Steelers Stat Geek: How the Steelers can get time on their side in 2020

"Pittsburgh. Steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Steeler staticky. This is behind the Steel Curtain Co editor Dame scofield coming at you on a very exciting day. This exciting day is Thursday morning because tonight. We have football. We have NFL football going on kicking off the season tonight with the Houston Texans visiting the Kansas City chiefs I. Don't know about you. All. I'm excited to have football back I can't wait. Yes it's not the steelers unfortunately have to wait all the way to Monday until we get them but you know what it is better than nothing. So I am just ecstatic that. steeler football was going to be happening. So before I get into the show's topic today I WanNa talk about something from last week. To clarify something that actually has come up since this has happened and last week I talked about the compensatory draft and that worked and really poured into what's going on with the steelers. In that regard, the reason I wanted to bring it up is as I was continuing to do more research, I stumbled across something from one of the guys at. Dot Com that they brought up something I'd never entered my mind. It never entered my mind in all the times I read over the the the new collective bargaining agreement looking at the stuff dealing with. The compensatory draft. Wait a second that can't be right I went back and I reread it five or six times after seeing this, and there is something that's missing. and. It's not very clear. So you have to make an assumption and what's missing is last year the steelers had to had to release Dante Moncrieff. Before week eleven you know they had through week ten. In order for that, for him to no longer counts as part of the compensatory draft. That date has not set in the new CBA there is not a date that says that once a player is on the on the roster through week ten like it like it had had been the rule before. So in all the clarification that they did that was omitted I just assumed it was the same date it might not be it might be that once that date hits. Of the the the Monday after the NFL draft those players even if they're cut still might count. Now that's one interpretation of it because it's not laid out any other way another interpretation is it does say that whenever they're looking at players. In the future or at the end of the season that said looking at all compensatory free agents and all players on NFL rosters at the end of the season maybe the dates the end of the season I doubt that. That you know someone could get dropped in week seventeen and no longer count count towards the story formula because teams that their season is over would really have no incentive to to keep players in order to try to get more draft picks. So it very well could be that Sean Davis will continue to count for the you know as a loss for the steelers even though he's on their team. If that's the case I don't think the snaps. That percentage thing that I talked about last week. Would count if they aren't for the team that picked him up but the that they're still some more big question marks with that that I thought, I try to give as much clarity as possible only to find out there are still more questions to be asked and it's not very, very clear in the new CBA. So maybe time will tell with some interpretation with that, and if I find out anymore I will update you here on this podcast. So what I'm going to do this time? This is quite an interesting topic. This is a question that I got. From Jeremy I'm not even gonNA, try to say his last day. I think it's Walt. I might completely butcher that he from Sydney Australia. And he wanted to know about the increase. In the time for the steelers offense to be on the field and twenty twenty. That he thinks it could go up as much as three or four minutes a game. And because of that, he was wondering if that would change things with the expectations on the defense meaning, they're not going to be on the field is much. They're not gonNA have as many snaps and some of the things that we think that we might see from the defense we might not because if they're not on the field is much, it's going to be difficult. Although he says it would be better. Of course, you know the defenses is tied to the fourth quarter. So he was just asking about that and what it came down to time and bottom line is. The steelers need to have time on their side. We've talked about this. I've talked about this many different podcasts across our our platform that. Time of possession is such a key. Statistic now, it's a key statistic in. Determining. What already happened? Not It's it's cause and effect cause and effect the. The time of possession is not a 'cause. It's an effect. It's an effect of our the steelers being effective on offense so if they're not and they're not. In in the lead in a game And they're not trying to run out the clock and things like that. Your time of possession suffers. So time of possession is a big measuring stick. Which? Is Answering the question why it's not like a team goes into the game we need to make sure our time of possession is at least thirty one minutes you want to do that. But you that because you're winning, it's a byproduct. So I don't want to sit here and dissect time of possession. Because it's all about how the team is. But there are other things that can help add to this time of possession. So it's something that I broke down to see how it's going to look. Looking at twenty nineteen, comparing it to two thousand eighteen, there was a lot to look up. So I didn't go to I didn't go beyond past two, thousand eighteen and to see what can the steelers do this year as they get ready to take on the New York football giants on Monday night football. If you can't tell I'm really excited about this. Before I do I do want to make sure that I'm telling people that are listening to this podcast go in. Give us that five star rating if you're if you're listening in the appropriate format or or whatever it is. If you like what you're hearing, it's going to help us out and it's going to help you get you know find more of our podcast make sure you subscribe to our channels and all those things. That's one thing another thing make sure if you haven't. Go to behind the curtain dot com and somewhere towards the top look for the bt Se contest article for winning a sign markey's pouncey football it's a survivor league. You just have to pick one game each week you have until Sunday at also twelve, fifty, nine pm to get into the League and make your pick to be eligible for the football. It's free it costs nothing for a Yahoo ID it costs nothing to get in and if you're the last one standing. You'll be the one who wins the sign marquees pouncey football we are onto I. Think we are currently in our third league you know. We're going to be adding more leagues more and more as they get filled. So get in there, tell your steeler France to get an air get signed up and have a chance to win that football snow. We got that let's dive into these numbers here with when it comes to. Maximizing the offense being on the field which will help with the defense. But before I get into that something that was brought up in the question that I think is very important to talk about is does the defense not being on the field as long? Was it going to hurt them when you're talking about some of these key statistics such as I'm taking sacks takeaways? Two items at the steelers lead the league in last year personally. I don't think so I don't think the the decrease time on the field is going to hurt those things. In fact, I think it's going to help because it's a chain reaction thing if the steelers are winning the time of possession chances are they're winning the game if the steelers are winning the game that means they're playing ahead, which means their opponent is playing from behind if your opponent is playing from behind. That means they are limited in what they can do especially as the game goes on if you have a lead and it's especially the second half and late in the second half, the team doesn't have the luxury just sitting back and running the ball round the ball of the ball if it's going to be more obvious that the team isn't a passing situation that's going to. A. Give your pass rush. More of the opportunity to just you know. Get to the quarterback just know that that's what you're going at. You're going after the quarterback get after them. That's GonNa, give you more of a chance for sex, and also it's going to give you more of a chance for turnovers because if they're creating that pressure, then it's tougher for the quarterback to make a wise decision, he has to make it more quickly if he's not going to be sacked, he could be forced into a bad throw. So right there I think less time on the field for the defense could be due to a game situation that's going to make it more likely for them to get sex and turnovers. I. Don't know if you agree with that or not. But that's just the way that I've always looked at it. From a former coaches standpoint that. You want your offense on the field more and you're like, oh, well, it's less chance for your defense to make a play. Well, you know what your defense is going to have a chance to make their place. Especially, if you have a better idea what the offense is going to do think about the steelers have you know when you're trailing games, the team's going to be running the ball. You're not going to get a chance for sex so that if the other team has a greater time of possession that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to. Have more chances to sack. The quarterback chances are you're going to have less? Because the team would be running the ball. So let's look at this. Let's look at a key thing that I looked at from from the two, thousand, nine, thousand, nine steelers and I looked at individual drives. The steelers had one, hundred, eighty, five drives according to pro reference dot com. Now, this even included I didn't take them out because I didn't WANNA. Sometimes, it could get tricky. This even included drives that were kneel downs. To kneel down at the end of the half or tended the game everything's included one, hundred, ninety, five drives the average length. Of those drives was. Two minutes and twenty eight seconds which was but as at seventeen seconds less than a year before. That was their average average drive so What made these drive so short, well first of all out of those one, hundred and eighty, five, drive seventy, four of them ended in punts seventy, four, hundred and punts just in total that's just started out there for you. But out of those one, hundred, eighty, five, drives, seventy, nine of those drives were three plays or less. Let me repeat that again seventy nine of those drives were three plays or less now to define that. A three play Dr conclude with a punt because the play that is considered, a punt is considered a change of possession, play a design change of possession play. So as it it being the fourth play doesn't cut this down now. If you're talking about a field goal. If a team gets the ball if the steelers get the ball. Let's say like they did in week three against San Francisco they were already in field goal range they ran three plays did not get a I dow and kicked a field goal. That was a four play drive. So that's not even included in this. So we'll. We'll address that when I actually go to break these down to tell you what those extra ones work. So I took those three play drives, you know some of them are ending for good reasons. You know like the end of the game to end of the half a kneel down some of them are ending for four batteries and such as a turnover but other ones ended in other good reasons such as scoring points like a touchdown. and. Then of course, you have your punts so. Out of those seventy-nine drives. Seven of them in two, thousand, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ended in a touchdown. The steelers shortest drive on the season was a three second drive in week two when they got the turnover at the three yard line and other very next play Mason Rudolph Vance McDonald for touchdown. That was the shortest driving season. That's a good drive. That's a good short drive for good reason. Seven touchdowns at a seventy nine, one field goal. But I know you're probably well Dave I thought you were saying that you know three plays in a field goal is three three play drive. That's correct. It was to plays in a field goal because it was the end of a half. That happened in two thousand, nineteen. That's so that's one of those drives dead. But to let you know how many times the steelers had three plays in a field goal in two, thousand, nine hundred and just so you it was four times four times that happened. Where they did where they brand four plays and kicked a field goal doesn't mean they didn't get any you know it could have been another one of those end of game of half situations where it was. Where where they did I down and then etiquette the feel because they were time but I don't think that was the case so. Let's get back out of those seventy-nine drives three of them ended in safeties. Three of them ended in safeties less than three plays and it was a safety. Fourteen of those drives ended in turnovers. K. Twelve of them were end of game drives or half drives were where where the clock expired at the end of the half end of the game and forty two times. The steelers had a drive of less than. Three plays or less and punted the ball. That is a lot of three and outs. So before we dive into what these numbers mean, we're GonNa take a quick break here and come back and say, hey, how does this really compared to the year before and what can we expect from the steelers this year and some other things with these numbers to see how they could approve so Stick around and we'll be back right after this break. Support for this podcast comes from CDW and Dell Technologies. Bet cdw Gee, we get migrating our agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. GotTa, do it I want to do it but got to do it wo- slowdown friend cdw. Jeez experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell, technology solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it? Is it done yet? Why isn't it done yet? It orchestration by CDW. People who get it find out more at CDW G. DOT com slash DELTEC. Espionage in presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season. 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So the reason at the steelers struggled with that so far laugh so bad last year was though seventy nine drives of three plays or less and forty two of them ended in punts. So over half of them were because of a punt. So if you want to look at them, did they end for bad reasons or for good? Reasons. You Got Forty two points, fourteen turnovers and three safeties so that right there is fifty nine of the seventy, nine three plays or less drives were bad for a bad reason. You don't WanNa safety you don't want to turn over you don't WanNa. Punt they were very short drives and that was the result there were twenty that weren't bad seven touchdowns one field goal. and. Twelve Times, where it was ending the ending the game. So. How does that compare to the year before? Well the year before. There were fifty nine drives of three plays or less. So That's already twenty less right there. That's as many drives as what happens is bad things happen for the steelers twenty, nine, thousand, nine. So in two, thousand, eighteen, there was fifty nine drives out of a total of one, hundred and eighty two. So as only three less drives in two, thousand and eighteen in two, thousand nineteen. Okay and the steelers had ten less punts in two thousand, eighteen out of two, thousand nineteen so that right there is going to tell you something. But out of those fifty, nine drives that that were three plates or last. In two, thousand, eighteen, ten of them were touchdowns. So that's good. One. Was a field goal. Actually I think it was a missed field goal it was. So I should say it was a field goal attempt it was the field goal. Against where Chris Boswell slipped against the against the Oakland. Raiders. So, let's not talk about that and but the steelers only had one other field goal in two thousand eighteen where it was three plays in a field goal. Compared to four last year, they had no safeties on three plays and out in two thousand eighteen. They had nine turnovers compared to fourteen. They had ten and a half or end of game situations and they had twenty nine months. So. Just. Under half. Of those of those drives were three and outs because they were punch. From two, thousand, eighteen. So that's a significant difference from forty to the twenty nine. So thirteen. More three and outs from the steelers that they had in two, thousand, nine, thousand, nine. So what what these things do is when you have three, not believe it or not. There's a lot of times the steelers had a three and out. Where they may. Remember what I was. GonNa say they had a three now where they actually had a time of possession more than two minutes. So it still burns some time, some of those drives were when the steelers had the lead and were running the ball, the other team had had you know had burn timeouts or didn't have time outs and they've turned down the clock and putting the ball to him with not much time left. So sometimes, those aren't those are terrible especially taken turn up some clock, but the other thing I looked at over the last over the last two seasons. So sometimes, you can have a three play drive that didn't completely kill your time of possession. How many times? How many drives do the steelers have whether Thomas possession was under two minutes. Because sometimes that's good when good things happen. But once again, that can be bad. So. In two thousand and nineteen steelers had ninety almost half of their drives were under two minutes. Out of those ninety. Only, eight of them were touchdowns and seven of them were field goals. So they scored on fifteen drives. Out of ninety that were less than two minutes, which means that was one six of the time. They had twelve of them just like before we're end of game situations where it ended the Hafer, enter the game. There are three safeties were in. That were also all less than two minute drives. They had nineteen turnovers in drives that were less than. Two minutes now you're seeing wake had fourteen turnovers on three plays or less. Well, the steelers might have gotten a couple first downs and we're going quick and then add a turnover. And a drive that was under two minutes They also had five times where they turn the ball over on downs drive that lasted less than two minutes and they had thirty six months. So out of the forty, two, three and outs that they had. At least six of them were more than two minutes two minute drives. From last year because the most added was thirty six. Out of the under two minutes which there could be a punt in there that wasn't that wasn't was more than the three play drive. So I didn't actually get to look at that specifically. So that's what the steelers did last year where the year before. They had seventy eight drives that were under two minutes but the difference was they had eighteen touchdowns which was more than. Eight touchdowns and field and seven field goals combined from last year. So they had eighteen touchdowns and two field goal attempts where they were one of two. So they had twenty of those drives that ended in a score or what should have been a score based on the field goal kick versus fifteen from last year. So it was more of those drives that were shorter and less of them the produced points. So they were both they both had. Twelve and a half end of game situations Then, you had the difference in the safeties because there was no safety in two thousand eighteen. The steelers had fifteen turnovers on those drives in two, thousand, eighteen versus nineteen turnovers in two, thousand nineteen and only two of them on on downs and only twenty nine months seven less punts when you look at the number of drives and how the acquainted out with the turnovers and the downs and the punts, they were almost the same percentage. Wise. The big difference was all the stuff. The more scoring that the steelers did in two thousand, eighteen verses two, thousand, nineteen. So this is part of what led. To the so to the poor time of possession that the steelers had in two thousand nineteen is that they had too many three and outs and too many really short drives. To kind of put it in perspective. The steelers average time of possession. Last season was twenty eight minutes and fifty one seconds. So that means their opponents were on the field for. Thirty one minutes and nine seconds. So they lost a time of possession on average for the year they ranked twenty seventh in the NFL. Now sometimes, this can be deceptive because look the city chiefs won the superbowl they were twenty five a possession but that's because they were scoring fast the steelers you know were they've really scoring fast. They only had eight touchdowns on drives. It lasted under two minutes. That's not score the anywhere close to what it was with the Kansas City chiefs to kind of put this in perspective. This was the steelers worst time of possession. Since nineteen ninety-one. and. It was only the second time. That the steelers had a time of possession under the thirty minute mark, which is. Basically the halfway mark you can get a little bit more because of overtime games But it was only. Between Ninety one and two, thousand, nine hundred and the only other time where they were under that thirty minute mark was two, thousand fifteen. So the time of possession wasn't issue last year but like I said it's causing effect it's about the steelers have a more productive drives even if you're not getting points on the board at least holding the ball for a while at least getting some first downs at least giving your defense arrest, which did not happen enough in two thousand and nineteen. If you look at two thousand eighteen, the steelers were ninth in the League entitled possession where they had thirty one minutes as their time of possession If you WANNA, look at. Okay. Well, what's really good while the best time of possession at the steelers ever had in their history in their history Mosse in their history this was going back to nineteen eighty-three was as far back as I as I get the stats on time of possession of their best was in two thousand one when a time possession of thirty, four minutes and forty four seconds on average. And if you really WANNA know why. You really want to know why it's because out of since nineteen eighty-three that was the most rushing yards steelers had season and then twenty, seven, hundred, seventy, four rushing yards in two thousand one. So of course, being able to run the ball how the time of possession. But the other thing that also helps is getting completions. If you're getting completions, then the clock is continuing to run and you have that great time of possession. So. What the steelers really need to do, and this is what Ben Rothlisberger brings back in my opinion is you can't just go out three three and a three and out, you're going to have to renounce your defense is GonNa Force, three and outs you're going to have to renounce you're going to have them in every game. It's just how it goes. Is steelers when you're talking forty two punts last year. Of with three plays or less, that's that's more than two a game. That's almost you know that's that's more than two and a half a game when you're when you're talking about that, then you add in the three safeties and the fourteen turnovers that that means that. You know fifty nine. That's over three possessions a game. The offense is basically hand in the ball right back to the defense and you can't do that and has success in the. NFL So. The, that's a key thing for the steelers to do in twenty twenty and that is something I think that with you know the future hall of fame quarterback Ben Roethlisberger coming back will give the steelers is. More. Drives that are that last longer you've gotta get first downs first downs. You know even if you're not getting points on the board you've got to. Change you've gotTa flip the field you gotTa, flip the field. You've gotTa take that field position and get some first downs in order to create backfield position for the other team. So that's one you've got to give your defense arrest. That's too. So of course, you know you wanna you WanNa, get those points on the board and be leading to the game. So that's when it really comes down to this. I don't think this is going to hurt the defense if. They're not on the field as much because they're not gonNA have as much of a chance. They're going to have more of a chance to make plays if you can make an offense one dimensional by you having the lead that's just GonNa make you put your defense in a better situation to get those Saxon and get those turnovers. So with that, I want to make sure that you all know that you can reach out to me in any way possible go. To behind the curtain dot com, you can look for the article that's out with this podcast and you can type comment there. You can click on any article in that article was not one that that I'm the author of that's Brian. Anthony. Davis you can look on any article that that has me Dave. Scofield. As the author you can click on it and there's there's ways you can contact me the email or twitter asks these questions bring them to be let Me Know what you all WanNa hear, and these are the kinds of things that will discuss. Also make sure that you are tuning in to all of our family of podcast. I know you are probably bump because you're not hearing. Let's ride with Jeff Hartmann this morning because man, that's a fantastic show Also, we've got the live Mike is now another morning show that goes on Tuesdays in place the Retro Show which is which is moved to Monday nights Saturday mornings you've gotTa make sure you listen to steelers touchdown under from our our two blokes in Australia. That that are bringing us a podcast, and then of course, we have all the youtube shows and we also have some recaps at the end of the days I. Know Tuesday's. Is a recap of of Mike Thomas Press. Conference Wednesday Thursday Friday. Usually it's it's Thursday Friday Saturday for this week is Monday night football of injury report. So we've got all these podcasts coming at you make sure you're you're checking out and I just WANNA. Thank you for tuning in this time. Go steelers when I come back next week. They'll the steelers wolfe played a football game, and hopefully we're talking about a very important number and that is one and. 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Standard is the Standard: Predicting the Steelers' 2019 defensive depth chart

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Standard is the Standard: Predicting the Steelers' 2019 defensive depth chart

"This episode is brought to you by Cox. With contour TV from Cox. You can find all your favorites. All in one place. Does it have the YouTube, you Bet El what about that? Netflix thing net flicks too. And although superhero movies, contour has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself. Okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies, right? On contoured TV from Cox. Pittsburgh. Steeler fans is going on. This is Jeff Arben editor behind the steel curtain dot com. With another episode of the flagship podcast, the standard is a standard and joining me always out on the west coast out and Kelly. Lance Williams, what's up lands? How are you this evening? What's up, sir inside joke? Use Arain works. Well. And people listen to that have no clue. Okay. Anyways. Let's get to the Pittsburgh, Steelers news. Like I say all the time in the off-season say there's under Steelers preview show. I've said it on my show. This burning question that is no news is good news. And if all we're talking about is predicting the Steelers defensive depth chart and all were talking about are these dumb rankings at the NFL network puts out there, then that is to me, a very very successful off season for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because right now, all you're hearing about terms of news, quote unquote, players getting suspended players that are getting arrested maybe new contract here there. But typically, it's bad news so Lange they stayed out of trouble. I think that's a good omen, don't you at least so far. Absolutely availability is the number one stat in a National Football League. And if you're suspended yet. Can't play. So as long as these guys aren't getting into trouble at least from the outside looking in it implies that they're focused. All right now, last week, if you're just tuning in, and you're, maybe it's your first time ever seeing this show. We took a stab at predicting the Steelers offense of depth chart for the two thousand nineteen season. Again, I guess, essentially, we talked about some camp battles who we thought would win who he thought would lose and we kinda gave it our own little spin. So this time we're gonna get a defense. If you missed the offensive podcast go back to last week show. And check that out now we're gonna talk about defense, as how many positions did we already have knocked down? Fick we had, I think we've got twenty five spots left because if you add the specialists puts us, I believe at twenty eight I think we had twenty five on often so, right? So I think we were planning on having twenty five on defensive were assuming that there's I wanna say there's a tight ends lash long snapper, on the team or assuming he doesn't make it. They keep Cameron candidate who's your long snapper. See specialists. So let's we're not talking about special. I guess we could talk about specials that's another episode today. We'll talk about the defense, but start with the skill positions just like we talked about with the offense. I want to start from the outside in, let's start with Cornerbacks. How many players do you see them keeping in terms of Cornerbacks? We're talking slot in outside Cornerbacks. You gotta keep six you gotta keep an minimum five. If a team spread you out. And they go five wides. So you gotta have at least five guys put on the field because you can't. Realistically put safeties on five wide receiver which you have to mismatches there, I don't care how good your safeties are. So you gotta have at least five and you gotta have at least an extra guy to probably play special teams. So I'm gonna guess you gotta have six quarters. Okay. I agree that they'll probably keep six Cornerbacks. The question is, who are they going to keep? Let's assume that will Steven Nelson and Joe Haden or locks in my opinion after that Mike Hilton currently doesn't have a contract. He's a restricted free agent. He hasn't signed his tender hoping to get a new deal. But I think it's safe to say that he should be on the roster this year, one way, shape or form. So there's your three who are the other three that make the team in your opinion. I think you'll be I think the rookie will make it to your point last week about the Steelers not giving up on rookies in really not trying to admit fault that they drafted a bad guy. So laying on make it Cam Sutton will make it because alleged. There's going to be a can't battle between Hilton, and Cam sudden so Cam Sutton will make it in the wild card in this mix. It'll be already burnt. So here's why he makes the roster is because in a tench he is a veteran would playing Todd. He does have snaps its position as starter. He should presumably be better than any rookie or any guy that you have to pull off to St. if you need a corner in a pinch eastern Melia with the defense physically, has a physical capabilities. We all know what already burns is in between the ears. So Artie burns is a safe guy, if you need to give a very limited amount of snaps he is a known, and you always go with the known as opposed to the unknown in football. His experienced does give him a I guess you would say notch on the belt but at the same time his experience is not good experience. And I wonder if a player like Brian Allen who now is considered a hybrid cornerback safety. Position versatility. We've talked about that on this show a lot. Maybe he finds his way on the roster over already birds will see. But with let's get into that as we go to save these both agree. They'll keep six that six of the twenty five right, there will break down as he's filtered, these, let's go to at one thing. Jeff. I think the other thing helps already burns, we talked about the three Ps, and I'm not gonna stay three fees 'cause I always sort of almost forget the three pays. Hey, pedigree and performance and performance. Yes. Pedigree helps Artie Barnes teams don't like the cut first round picks. Even if they disappoint over the course of the initial contract teams rarely cut first rounders because you're a first rounder debt will typically get you through your first contract, they just won't bring you back and they won't offer you the fifth year so well there he turned it already that ship. It has sailed is if you're option was not picked up. Okay. But you haven't making the team that's fine. So let's go to safety, so Terrell. Edmonds for Sean draft pick. He's gonna make the team Sean Davis in contract year. Former second round draft pick. He will make the team. And then after that it's a who you know what I mean. The potential players are Marcus Allen. Jordan Dangerfield, Brian Allen, as I mentioned, who's a cornerback flash safety hybrid. You've got a couple undrafted. Guys, PJ lock and askew, Henry. I think is his name from West Virginia lands before we talk about individuals. How many safeties are they gonna keep on the roster? I agree it will before. I mean 'cause you got to stars. You gotta have two backups so at minimum it's four and I think the battle is between the Alan duet. I mean, the Allens will battle, I think, for that fourth safety spot, I think Jordan Dangerfield, we'll get that third spot because he's played starters. Taps. And I think he has the most experience of any of those other guys those Alan guys in the defense. So again, you go with defense experience a guy who's played in the defense and started albeit limited snaps and he's a good special teamer. So I think he has those things over the two Allen's. So the battle will be between the Allen brothers. It'll be interesting to see I agree to keep for if they had to try to skim their roster. Let's say they wanna keep an extra defensive lineman or an extra linebacker. They could easily if they were going to we both agree that they don't like to do this, but they could cut already burns. Keep Brian Allen. He would be depth that those safety and cornerback will agree with four and I agree with that camp battle between Allen and Allen. I would hope Marcus Allen with win that though. That's a law firm. Allan, Allan, Allan, Allan, if you ever get in trouble if any of the Steelers get a DUI they call Alan and Alan defense attorneys at law, we don't get we. Was that we get money unless we get money for you. Okay. So we're at ten now. Six quarterbacks four safety's, where ten at least fifteen positions left, let's go to the outside linebacker position of this is a position that if one year ago, you and I were doing the same show and we were talking about how many linebackers they keep there is no chance in, you know, where that I would have ever said three as the number and yet there we were weak one three players, but debris T J watt Anthony Tikolo now a lot of people think that if Aladdin you didn't pull his hamstring week, four the preseason he would have made the roster which would have had four nonetheless, he did. And they kept three so lands, what are you seeing from outside linebacker in this upcoming year will those three that you said to start will make it? So you got what debris gigolo you know, it's interesting with the number because they play so much package with ball, the amount of snaps that you have actually four linebackers on the field. It minimizes every single season. Right. It goes down because you're getting a different sub packages where you have three linebackers on the field multiple players in the secondary. But just for the number count. I think they go with five I think all all LA LA will make the roster. And I think Sutton Smith will make the roster as well because he's a Jack of all trades. He's a guy that has possession flexibility. I think he's a guy that you can plug and play in different spots, and they need special teams guys. So, I think Sutton Smith also with his pedigree being in the draft class and being a draft pick. I think they're going to give him every opportunity to make the roster. I think he will. I think they'll have five again. It'll be what depre- Schick, alot Olah, Ola Ola and Sutton Smith. I guess, by nature, you could say that they'll keep five and Sutton Smith. Could be in that group. I do think Sutton Smith will make the team. But I don't think he's even going to be used. Unless it's an injury injury injury situation on the depth chart. He's a special teams guy. And there's nothing wrong with that I guess we'll put him on there. All agree with you. That five but technically that's four. So technically, there's really just Ford that will actually play outside linebacker. So his middle name is certain dash. Yeah. Dash smith. What is it the jack-of-all-trades master of none? That's that's hard sided Smith. If you guys showed last week, I made the joke about Dan ash, like dash, is that, that guy that's number four on the depth chart, who. Definitely. You know, missed this or Mr. dash, a blend, herbs spice blend, a chicken fish in other things. So we had ten coming into the Outside Linebackers, six Cornerbacks, for safety's now, we go five an hour fifteen that leads ten for inside linebacker and defensive front. Let's go inside linebacker. Now, obviously, we're gonna go Devin Bush. Yes. Mark, barron. Estimates williams. Yes, those three zero yeses after that. How many do they keep in who did achey? They gotta keep more more. I mean you know, you gotta keep one more if you got to starters, typically you gotta have to tobacco you gotta have two backups. Right. So I think it's going to be dirty red. I think dirty rid is going to be the guy to get that fourth inside linebacker spot. I think it'd be Tyler Medicaid, which so to be Williams, baron Bush in Medicaid. Wjr may all these names when you roll them together, they sound they really sound like Laufer Williams. Bear Bush Medicaid. It's every couple of editor that they could do some litigation for you could. Well, you Gilbert is the only guy I think they can throw a wrench into this in terms of the number of players that you keep because if he is a strong special teams player, maybe they keep him along with the Medicated and say, we'll keep five but again, we're talking about a guy that's just gonna play special teams will heave. You'll probably be game day an active most weeks. Anyways drafted player same round as Smith the six round. But I'll agree that they keep four, but Robins belying. What about spilling you no way? Well, no, I don't think so. I think it's just for me. Again, if you listen Gilbert, makes the roster and they keep five inside linebackers. Either just gonna play special teams or he's going to be inactive on game day wearing street clothes so. We'll say wait. Let's, let's say four, we'll just stick with four won't they won't be five so we have four soobee at fifteen hour. Nineteen in that leaves six players on the defensive front. This is where it gets interesting. So this is where my opinion the Steelers can kind of pick and choose what they want to do. So you obviously have the starting three, that's Cam haywar that Steph to shave on Hargrave. You know, Tyson, Allah, Walla will be there. Now, you have other twos, who your big, big shade tree, Daniel mccullers? You have rookie, Isaiah bugs from Alabama. And I'm trying to think if there's another player that's would note. I'm sure there isn't forgetting them that how do you keep five? Do they keep, you know, you know, I think this is the position I think they can play with but I think they'll keep six I mean when you go through these names, and you're you're going to be impressed that I know these names Winston Craig you're looking at him on. Your computer don't act like he studied the roster. Hey, but that is research and I'm not. Play by play guy for color guys have notes. That's like. Notes part of it. But Winston Cray, Casey cells lay on hooks Henry, Monteray, those guys aren't gonna make minute. There's nothing that predict protects them. Pedigree. Pay performance. None of that, protects those guys, the thing that protects bugs again, I'm going to be a broken record and say it again it's as pedigree. He was drafted that gets him on the roster in big damn mccullers has some secret photos at a coaching staff in his house. And so, you know, you combine those two things I you know, he stays on the roster. Dan mccullers is the worst player to be on a team for years or more probably it'd ask a football league. He might be one of the worst defensive linemen, that's a question. Hopefully somebody can respond to it on the group that here's the question. Do you think Daniel mccullers is the worst defensive lineman in Pittsburgh Steelers history? Wow. No, no. Who is the free agent? They got from San Diego, and it was San Diego at the time that he, he will go Hughes on ice skates, made every time he was out there. He's just getting pushed around. I mean, Dan mccullers may just stand up. But he's he doesn't get pushed around like he's on ice skates. Well, here's the thing, though. 'cause that's that would be sick players that would be twenty five that would hit the fifty three like we talked about, if they decided that they want to add another defensive back, they could cut mccullers too key. They could go with five and they could add in a Brian Allen type in the back end that is something that they could do or xfinity Brian Allen. It could be one of the undrafted rookies like locker skew Henry, or it could be a number of players that they would keep so there is Cam Cam Thomas is the guy. Thank you. Matt that said that in the live chat, he was the, you remember cans, almost he, he's he got lesser. Here's a funny thing about camp, Tom. They used to put him in goal. On. Yeah. And he man man, foof just Ono. He was Apollo Ono. Was a speed skater? Not good. So okay, there you have the defensive prediction for us. If you disagree, you can you're entitled to your opinion, everyone is maybe where do you see those numbers changing? I think they're pretty solid. Or maybe, you know, like I said, if they decide they're getting mccullers, maybe Ulysses Gilbert goes in and they keep him as a special teams guy. I am all for that move. If if I'm the coach because the Steelers special teams has been awful, and if I get an athletes that are fast and are willing to go out and make a play if that's something Smith that's US's Gilbert. Yes, I wanna put him on the roster because I think they can make a big difference because the Steelers defense after their special teams really, really needs it. He's your beer modest. Jeff, our opinions are the only ones that matter, Iran. Everybody else's opinion. If you're listening to the show, yours doesn't matter. It's our opinion. It's better than you guys. So we're going to get it right. Challenge us, we're going to get fifty three we're probably going to get at least fifty. Oh, speaking of which you have Markelle volley of the ethnic, formerly of the Pittsburgh Tribune review and deep, Pittsburgh, sports. He put out a fifty three man projection. Yes. Yes, he did. And he listened to our show. Where did he differ, anywhere? No. Because he listened to our show on offense. Did he posted his article on here? I mean Kabul was good guy. I've had kupuna I've interviewed Kabuga a couple of times. But I know how this works guys. Get lazy. I'm not gonna say just just listening to a really good pot. Take the numbers. Do your show after that? I mean it's just it is what it is. That's part of this business. I've learned over what about fifteen years of doing pods that, you know, depending on the size of your pot, or in your following guys will either, just rape in pillage, your information or just, you know, still at nicely. And so they take from us, don't rape and pillage just they just take it nicely. Yeah. Pretty much. Well, that's a whole different conversation for another day of secondhand news. Sources like behind her dot com of bencher. But you know what I think that are fifty three's pretty solid in when you look at it lands agree or disagree really not that many training camp battles of note. Am I right? I mean really you know, treaty can't battles that that's always that's football. Balls way of creating stories when it's slow are can't battles. I mean, that's like the football, you know, stuff that we do talk shows articles, that's like the football, speculation cake are can't battles for the most part on most teams forty five to forty six of the roster. Spots are probably already taken. I'd say it's even more. It's about forty seven forty eight. There's typically only five to six spots in question every single season. I'll say more probably seven because you got seven draft pick seventy eight draft picks. A lot of times for most teams. You know, you're six to seven round guys are on the bubble. They don't make it but you're typically bringing in a new five guys, you lose some guys in free agency. So it doesn't even pan out that way from a number perspective. So there's there's rarely a lot of battles on a team. The sign of a bad team is you have a bunch of roster battles. If you have a ton of roster battles your team is pretty bad. I would expect a team like Arizona to have, you know, can't battles all along that roster because they were awful a team like the Steelers. You know very close to make an a playoff start at what seven two and one. I mean a lot of those spots are pretty much locked up. Yeah. No, I agree. Three hundred percent listener. I'm Sean Rama's firm, host of today, explained vox, daily news podcast every day, Monday through Friday, my team, and I look at what's happening in the world. We pick one essential news story that defines our moment and ask smart. People to help us understand it in about twenty minutes or less. It's the perfect way to start her end your day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. It's from Stitcher and the vox media podcast network, really like the point about a team is what can't battles is not a good team. I like that point. Now here's a let's switch gears. A little bit from are predicting the depth chart. Doing some other predictions. Now, I'm not sure if he saw these articles or anyone is listening to the show. So these articles, but myself and Simon Chester who's my deputy man. Major when we were thirty days out from training camp. This is something to do. Neil cool long back on started with the website, we did thirty predictions of thirty days. So what that is every other day. We I'll do one and he'll do on the next day. We're just doing random predictions that can be individual predictions. They can be team predictions. I wanna throw some at you. And you tell me, whether it will happen, or whether, whether it won't have it. You give me your opinion. Okay. So this is correct me, so you don't get these wrong all the time. So my answering true or false. And then give him. I'm true. Yeah. You could say true or false. That's fine. I it's a prediction. So, like, for instance, here's the first one. The Steelers will win at least ten games into the nineteen. True. Okay. I agree. I think it'll have that's the one yesterday. I did this one in two thousand nineteen hundred steals reach fifty sacks for the third straight season. True. You did. Okay. So that'll be the first time in team history. That would happen now I actually went into detail about why think is going to happen, you play both sides of the coin. But I said, how for me I thought that the coverage was going to be better quarterback holds onto the football longer. But then someone else a really good point land somebody what you think about this. Is that the Steelers secondary improving or hopefully improving it won't? They won't have to be so aggressive in their blitz packages. You agree with that, and that might lead to a lower sat count. The coverage is better. They may not be as Gress of inner blitz and you don't have to sell out so much trying in, you know, they can basically play coverage more entrusted, their guys are going to actually cover something that they struggled with the best. I'd have to think about I'd say, no, okay, I'd say, I disagree with that one. I mean, they're, they're, they're, they're a blitzing team. They blitz. I mean that, that, that's one of the things that they do. I think the coverage on the back in, they'll be more aggressive glitzy as I think, they'll think they'll be able to hold up on the back in one on one coverage with to better corners that they can meet. They, they can leave those corners a little bit more vulnerable, and bring more guys and not have to predict those guys as much with his own. I think they're going to be playing with Moore leads, which I think is going to lead to them, getting fifty saxes. Well, okay. I liked that. Here's another one a defense player for this deal. Dealers will record at least five interceptions in two thousand nineteen. Yes. Okay. He think that'll be I think that will be Joe Haiti. All right. I. I'm tempted to say that it would be someone like Sean Davis, but I'm not gonna go that for all with you with Aiden. But I think someone wanting definitely going to be better off, and then we'll do one more here. And we're going to have plenty of these to talk about in the future. Here we go. The Steelers offense will average twenty eight points per game in two nineteen or the Markey's always be thirty. I died. I did this once I knocked down to twenty eight points per game. Hell no, what they were closed last year with twenty eight it would Antonio Brown as well here. No, no. But I, I don't I don't think it has to average twenty eight. I think the magic numbers twenty six in buck. I don't have the stats in front of me. But I think I would say seventy five to eighty percent of the playoff teams last year average twenty six and above. I think that the numbers twenty six the bigger thing is point differential. So if you average twenty six I mean, you want your point differential to be around five and a half points or okay? Well, let me let me give you two the years the average points per game since two thousand fourteen. Are you ready? Yeah, it doesn't fourteen average twenty six point six two dozen fifteen twenty five point four two dozen sixteen twenty four point four two thousand seventeen twenty six point four two thousand eighteen twenty six point eight. So I looked at it from this way I said if the goals not thirty points per game. If they're kicker could make more kicks, Ben Rothlisberger doesn't throw horrendous interceptions in the red zone. But if they can continue to red zone success, and they get a defense increase more turnovers, which creates more offense possessions. I could see it happening. I seriously could. But that's just me will you could call me Ray. You can call me j. That's a lot of this man. I mean let's just at. Or if it's not so much as a lot of ifs. But it's one of those situations where something that's happened. You know, I'm sure did have a good resin offense last year. I'm shooting for that. You know, sometimes we on the t box if I could hit it around this tree, and landed soft right here. I have an approach shot for about seventy five yards. But I, I do that. Because I just wanted to hear you. I just wanted to hear you. Brag. Were you is if I hit this approach shot within eight feet. Maybe I'll make the putt. Not to putt for par birdie there. Yeah. You know they're the bear immediate pressure in the humidity. When ball is cutting. Look, I, I mean it it's more differential points. I mean if you're not scoring a lot of points, you can't give up much. I mean that's just kinda hot works. I mean that's a rudimentary way of saying it, you know, if you score more points if you're like the chiefs, and you're scoring like close to thirty five game you can give up twenty eight it's just about differential, and for them. If they scored twenty five to twenty four I would love to see them give up seventeen or seventeen would probably be the best in the NFL, you know, give up under twenty anywhere between seventeen and nineteen and a half score about twenty five points. Maybe the differential is close to a touchdown, but it's got to be in that sweet spot of above five point five and a half points. It's gotta be above that. The issue as we talked about, I talked about him, I show a couple of times it's replacing Antonio Brown's touchdowns. And it's also replacing the touches how many touches he gets in spreading those touches around at the wide receiver position how they're going to do that. They're going to have to figure out some things on offense. So I could see a case where they sputter a little bit out the gate find their way towards the end of the season. And if you did like split stats or something like that, and you look at the average points per game in different periods of the season, I'll give you that, that maybe it could get to twenty seven. Let's say in the last six games. Last four games. You know, as they as they start to find your Mo-jo, hopefully, over the course sees. Okay, so we'll, we'll talk about these predictions and stuff as time. Goes on because we're in continue to do this. We'll bring them up every show, I do and ask you one quick question before he possibly take some questions in the live chat, and then call it a show in. That is an article that I wrote it's a simple article it was called pick your poison in its right. Bring up to two of anything. It could be obviously to the worst quarterbacks. But in this case is, who are the best book and Outside Linebackers for the Steelers to choices. It was Kevin. Greene? And Greg Lloyd, this is three four outside linebacker. So I don't wanna hear about Jackie and he was a four three linebacker. It's revolt linebackers. Green in Lloyd or Woodley in Harrison in those two thousand teams who you got. That's a tough one. So you said, green. In Loic Kevin Greene. Greg Boyd the blitzburgh defenses in the nineties. I'm gonna go with that one. I think I think deebo number go with that one, because I think Kevin Greene is better than deebo. I think his his statistically, he's better track records better. He's a hall of Famer. I mean he has a goal jacket that ranks. So when you have a go jacket, you're the best of the four period. And I think avoid Loy was better than Lamar Woodley. I think Lamar Woodley was largely a product of Harrison's dominance. And so you got a lot of slide protection of Woodley. Not Woodley, excuse me to depot depot, Gat a lot of the blocking priority, which freed up Woodley not to take away from how productive Woodley was. But I think of Lloyd was a better individual player in Woodley. So I'm gonna go with green and Lloyd as as the better of the two largely. Because again, I think law was better then Woodley, but largely because one of the pair has a goal jacket. Yep. Yep. And it's it really is kind of personal preference. Some people they've talked about James Harrison. He won one to Super Bowls had a big play in the second one Woodley wanna Super Bowl and all that stuff. But at the same time. It is personal preference. You know. So I thought that was pretty interesting to. You know, this talk about offseason talk, you know, so, okay. So let's get to some questions, we have some people firing away already because he asked them, if they had any questions just see, you know if you're in the live chat right now. You see the snowman his used the, the live of the super chat feature. That's why his question and comment is highlighted in green in that means we will guarantee to answer that you can use that by words, his Chad publicly. It'd be TSE Steelers radio. You see a little money symbol to the right, hit that money, symbol, donate any money put it in a tip jar. We appreciate it to five dollars from snowman. He says, hey Jeff and Lance. Will you be making an app for behind the steel curtain? Unfortunately, because behind the curtain is a part of SP nation, which is a part of ox media, that's above my head. I will say that if he won a very quick fix into finding everything behind the curtain, and you don't wanna go through like you're a Google Chrome app or anything like that us, if you're not, I don't use user, use your apple news feed. Behind the curtain does have their own feed. It everything is right there for you. Very simple. Sometimes they do strip some content out of there. But for the most part, what he sees what you get sick. You're looking for an app. That's about as close as we get right now a snowman. That's a great point. I'm gonna make a pitch on this show right now powers. That be natio- vox media. Let's we the app we at we need to at and users day to be able to go on an app and pick the teams that they follow in it pushes the content in the podcast. Articles content podcasts everything cater to the teams that you pick. Come on vox. We're a little bit slow on that. And then you, you're not the first person that's asked me that trust me, they've, we all I, I go to my superior in he is above my head, and he is his in his just as long chain. So there you have it. All right. A few more questions. Will James Connor have more catches the Dante Moncrieff into the nineteen. Yes. I'm going to say no, they noted that let's see here, the Pittsburgh Steelers need to free up another four to five million and cap space. How did they do it? Hi, I'm every woman, and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism fascist architecture. Poly-amorous hermetically, sealed domes and Courtney Kardashians dining room chairs, but not necessarily in that order, new episodes of nice, try come out every Thursday. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Not looking at the cap allocation right now be in couple names. I'll give you a couple names deaf on deaf onto it. He restructured if you keep Chris Boswell, I believe he could be restructured. I have a feeling that there are some other who's another player that they could possibly restructure the just got a new deal to having a Illinois Villanueva. I'm. Yes. How many years left is David decastro have when his deal? He's already restructured once he as restructured, honestly. I mean you could go to the Bank of been. I mean you can you can always go to the Bank of rothlisburger. He's, he's got the balls. Anyways, you can always go to the Bank of rothlisburger. I'll Alejandro Villanueva was one you could do. I mean, the formula typically for guys, you restructure is, you know, guys that you owe big base salary that have multiple years left remaining on your contract. Those guys that can do it. You take a portion of their base salary. You spread it out an appropriation last for a longer amount of time. Those would be the guys can do just looking at this, you said, David decastro already did it. I think so. So. Yeah. Like the debt money charged for cutting Ken Hayward could be a guy that he's already restructured, as I would say, what is the dead money if they cut someone like Anthony colo- he just signed any deal or alive Rogers. Where Chicago alot Tikolo deals, not big enough. There's not enough money in it on a debt money cap charge for his waving would be two point two million. There's not enough money in it. Would there be cap savings there? Year. But not you won't get enough caps shot. You need you need a big deal, like a pound, see where debt money charges like thirteen million need a big deal. What pouncey somebody? That's getting a big a big amount of base salary is just not enough juice in chick alot salary. Okay. All right. Well, let's go on this question. How many scrimmage yards will James Connor had this season? See how many did he have last year? He had a nine hundred plus rushing. You're like nine three. Yeah. I'm trying to think receiving, I can't I want to say maybe like two hundred I was gonna say I was going to save. He stays healthy. I'll take between twelve and thirteen hundred all purpose yards. Let me give you the numbers here. I love the internet because you could pull this stuff up really quickly nine hundred seventy three. I was pretty good lands. I was twenty yards off. He had nine hundred seventy three we'll round that up to one thousand any five hundred receiving yards five hundred. Okay. Yeah. Four ninety seven so he'll Machar now's only playing thirteen games. So in that case, I would say, probably about the same. I think the numbers could be the same his rushing might go up or down is as sixteen hundred what he say, say spot rows gonna save about sixteen fifty to seventeen hundred. Because he's, he's definitely going to get more if Mike Tomlin is true to his history, he's gonna get more two hundred and fifteen rushing attempts. So. Which will be theme for your upcoming show. So check that out when publishes on Wednesday. Let me ask you this. If we get to the next point, you talked about Dante Moncrieff in receptions, James CONNER, has not, I'm look at the stats had fifty five receptions last year. Do you think Conor will have more receptions than that? And do you think if he does Moncrieff will have even more receptions that? He had fifty five. Yes, he had fifty five receptions, or ninety seven yards. I would say he stays healthy. Yes, he would have more than that will Moncrieff have more. That's tough. I would see Moncrieff in the sixty while the I'm hoping. Seventy range around there. So I just think about what leave you on bell used to have, ma'am. And he was a he was the fulltime back. He had a ton of receptions, ton of receptions. How about this with Moncrieff? Let's say Conor has more receptions, he has like sixty five. He averages around nine yards reception, but Moncrieff has let's say fifty but he averages thirteen yards. A catch fourteen yards to catch would you would you would that difference in receptions, be okay? If the yards per reception, let's say, differed by five to six yards so of Connor average nine last year, let's say mockery gives you fifty catches, averaging fourteen yard to catch. That the tradeoff. Yeah. I think so. Early because they need someone's going to stretch the field a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. You can't. You can't dig into on car your way down the fields. There you go. This may be a good one to end on Thomas. White says, would you leave to on no nude women alone and your hotel room with one million dollars in cash jewelry? Would you leave him alone? That's what he's referring to lady on Vella situation, and how it is calling stolen the jury. Hey, man. Don't be that guy. 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Steelers Preview: Analyzing the free agent pick ups, and talking 2019 CB Depth Chart

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Steelers Preview: Analyzing the free agent pick ups, and talking 2019 CB Depth Chart

"Steeler fan. Let's go on Jeff Arvid editor of behind the curtain dot com. With us. Always another Steelers preview holiday. Start. But all honestly, it's the first time two weeks. We've had all three of us back on the air as myself. Dave Scofield, I'm Brian Davis. And some of the stuff they get talked about before we go on the air is so dumb yet. So funny and part of me wants to clued dead sometimes. But it's a good thing that we're not all got us as this it here in the mid Atlantic region. Today was absolutely gorgeous day. I'm not going to work tomorrow. Taking the day off. I have three day weekend ahead of me is beautiful weather. I'm in a great mood. The Steelers roster is starting to take shape. And I actually like the way it's heading. We'll talk about that. And more today on the show. Let's bring in Dave Scofield. He's back from his pinochle Lada hangover, Dave. How's it going? Happy pi day everybody. Stuff starting. It's going. Well, it's it's nice to be back. Well, it's nice to be back with the show. It's not nice to be back as in out of the super, warm and most importantly green atmosphere of the southern United States. I really miss green in this area. But I'm ready to talk some Steelers stuff. I like how things have been going the last few days I Brian data's what's up? Well, not only is it happy pie day, which I I'm really upset. I would've consumed entire by. I didn't really know. But if you put a mustache symbol, you've got magnum PI. So there you go and the Thursday night in the eighties Thursday night, meant tease, Tom Selleck Thomas magnum, the best show ever. There you go so. Yeah. Happy happy Thursday to you. I'm feeling good about the new league year already. We've been talking about too much math stuff already. I'm about to peace out of this show. For granted. If we're headed down this path I've done y'all can take over and we'll see next week for me. Let's talk football. That's a little bit more of my alley. What we're gonna do is. We're taking a look back at the week. That was the last time that we were on the air is just Brian and myself, and we talked about marquees pounds. Ramon foster getting their extensions VJ, Fini's tender all that stuff. We're trying to talk about now stuff that's happened since then, and I'm gonna throw it to my co host, and let them pick out a few things that they really really liked from this week so far, and then we're going to go with some things that we didn't like afterwards, Brian or a started with you. You're the veteran here compared to Dave which move Steininger extension. Whatever you wanna call it were you the most happy with so far this week. Well, it was going to be a DM Daniel mccullers. But I really I really couldn't go that far Dante Moncrieff another DM. That's a pretty good signing this guy. I really don't. I still don't know all the the financials on him. But he's comes with pretty good value. Look this guy six two he ran a four four coming out of college about five years ago. He could take the top off the ball. I mean, take the top off the defense gives a chance for juju to be a true number one. That's why I'm liking this deal. So I'm glad they brought Dante Moncrieff. And when when the quarterback there, Andrew luck was healthy those guys those guys look pretty good together even two years ago with Jacoby set the guy cut seven touchdowns, he embarrassed Pittsburgh and the Pittsburgh defense in a late November. Game last year with with a beautiful touchdown. I'm thinking this guy could really be a good acquisition. And so this is a part of the of the Cedrick Wilson days. And the reason I mentioned Cedrick Wilson is everybody was all bent out of shape in two thousand five when plexiglass was gone, but they brought in a lesser known guy like Cedrick Wilson and really help do the trick. So let's hope it goes in that direction. Jeff Dave to Dante Moncrieff. I will say this before we go onto Dave is a lot of fans have been saying look at his stats last year. It was the he just wasn't that good. His quarterback was Blake Bortles, folks. Blake Bortles my gosh. How can you? How can you say that any receiver with Blake Bortles is their quarterback is good battery and different? It's just really you just cannot use that as a measuring stick your back to his colts days much, much better. Trust me, then I'll be honest Daryl called me out. He's a Jeff couple of weeks ago. You aren't crazy about Moncrieff? I don't think he's the answer at wide receiver personally. But at the same time, I think he's going to be a very good complementary receiver to exactly what they think they need. And that's a guy that can go vertical. Take the top off the defense. Dave unless you have something save up on Krief. What's what please you the most is past week. Well, I would have to say, I I also like the Moncrieff signing. I like what they got the kind of receiver. They got and what they got him for. I like that. The Steelers went out and tried to address the issue at cornerback. That's very nice. I know they this from what I understand. It's might be the largest free agent contract. They've ever done. I don't know for sure. That Steven Nelson is the answer. I'm going to say something that you're probably going to cringe at but to me, he seems like he's an Artie burns with a clear conscience. He's not he doesn't he has a lot of the same skill set. But actually isn't to own worst enemy of because with burns a lot of times. Once once you lose your confidence, you get that sort of paralysis by analysis that has been thrown around and some. It was coach all that used to say that that when you just over think it rather than just play you end up being a half step behind. And then we see with already burns. He gets four steps behind. So I think I don't know that he's the biggest stud cornerback that I've ever seen. But I liked that they made a move and they made a decision, and they went with it because they have done so much better as of late in the free agent market. And when it comes to corners than what they have done in the drafts. Dave question. Not sure if you have this in front of you, you know, I like to put you on the spot. Size comparisons. Between Artie burns in Nelson. I know that already burns is over sixty timely. I think Nelson is five eleven these five eleven okay. Yeah. All right. So the size comparison is similar. Well, he didn't have a bad season last year. A lot of interesting. He was targeted more than any other cornerback. He was Kansas City's defense was awful not much of a Pat. Oh, they did lead the league in sacks. I mean, I don't know what to think of this. They wanted Roby. Didn't get him seem like this is kind of like they're number two option. David you overall, like the move you like the acquisition even for that much money? I like they weren't afraid to do it. That's that's why like so many times you could see the Steelers could get somebody. And instead they wanna go more bottom barrel. I like that they they just they they ponied up may. Made the move. I I don't know a ton about him. I know he has some he has some very good moments. And he has some not so good moments. I've seen highlights of his interceptions. I've seen highlights of his touchdowns. He's given up. So I'm not saying that he's going to be amazing. I think it's going to be his job when he comes into camp. And we'll see what happens. Yeah. I don't know. It was a high price tag the one thing. I got because I reached out to Pete Sweeney who is the editor of era ahead pride which is the behind the curtain dot com. Quivalent for the chiefs. It's a big website just like TSE is. And so those big websites fans. Trust those sites they go to sites often, they're the ones that are creating in in may. And, you know, they're they're the news sources for a lot of people just like our site is for Steeler fans, and he gave me very very good breakdown of what he thought of Nelson. And he said how the one thing that he always said was he's he's only getting better that they drafted him. I think in the third round he didn't get to play as much as rookie season than you had to play a little bit more in the slot. He can play the both the slot and outside those this press conference today's that he's primarily out. He wants to be an outside cornerback. So like you said I think that he comes in day one training camp, and he is oxygen. Joe Hayden as the number of number two Antill someone beats out or if they take draft pick, their we'll talk about the cornerback depth chart a little bit later. But Brian I bring you in here. What were your thoughts on Nelson over your thoughts on the trade in the money involved? And all that stuff. Well, he's not Cody Sensabaugh. So that's good news right there. I mean, I thought Cody was serviceable, but he was an upgraded over already burns Nelson's upgrade over Sensabaugh. You still have you still have a team that is looking at bringing in a first class cornerback in the first or second round. I don't think that's going away. I would probably still think that inside linebacker is a priority even more because they haven't touched yet. However. If those two guys are the two Devon's if the stairway to Devon is closed, then they're looking at a, greedy Williams. They're looking at Dion trae Baker. They're looking at Byron Murphy. So with that being said, you know, he's he could be a place Holkar or he could be a legitimate player all year long. He had four interceptions last year. I cannot tell you the last time a Steeler. Corner had four interceptions. I believe it was probably Ike. What's that guy? You could probably tell us that. But look the entire defensive backfield had like six or seven last year. And that's it. So with that being said you bring 'em in do something you said you were going to bring in the corner. You did it. He was in your price range, Bradley Roby didn't wanna take your three year deal. You wanna take a one approve it? He saw Tyron math. Matthew it and do it to a tune of now multi year with fifteen million? So I can understand what would Bradley Robichaud in into. But the only thing that scares me about that whole thing is after the whole debacle with bell after the Duboc cool with Brown. Are we are? We looking for the agents worried about even coming here. I don't think that's going to be too much of a problem. But you never know what's in individuals heads, but not taking the three year from Robie. I'm cool with that. But I'm also Nelson because I don't care if the chiefs had the worst defense last year the offensive backfield last year, I care that you have a guy that. That had a lot of past defenses last year, and he also had four interceptions in. We did not have that all in Pittsburgh. Also had fifteen pass breakups. That's hells me. He's at least around the ball. People talk about how he's he's a little grabby for defensive back, and he does have a lot of pass interference calls against him. But you know, what I'm okay with that. Sometimes sometimes I'd rather them. You look at the alternative in that sometimes is horrible because it means touchdowns. Now, Brian I know that Troy Paula Malo leaves the last secondary player to have foreigners sections. I don't know when the last cornerback had foreigner sections. I see Dave doing some work over them. Sure. He's figuring it out for us. I'm gonna go ahead and go, and I'll we'll get back to David his second and give you my favorite acquisition agreement deal contract. Whatever the past week, and obviously the two you mentioned would be on the forefront the one that happened that may not be talked about as much in. This was a very weird discussion that was going on between media. And fans and blog writers. And anyways, it was them giving you I Rogers a two year deal. I thought that was a very intelligent move for the Steelers. I was impressed with what he did in a very small sample size last year coming off at ACL tear in. I think that bringing him back really helps Rothlisberger because he is gonna have a slot receiver. That knows what he wants knows where to go it just gives them a little bit of continuity. And so now you look at their receiving death. And you have judy's Mr. who Roth progressive tremendous report with a ready? You have Ryan Switzer who I think will only improve as he spends an entire offseason with the system. I think James Washington is due to take a step forward. And now ally Rogers is back that gives you four pretty good options Heathrow in Moncrieff. And now you have five pretty good options. I still think they're going to target a wide receiver in the draft. I wouldn't be shocked if they target too. Receivers in the draft. And then really make a good competition to see who's going to actually make the team and how many receivers are going to keep and so on and so forth. But for me, I was very happy that they got this deal done. Even though everyone was supporting reported it NFL network also. Agreed. But there were some the disagree that his contract told to two thousand nineteen it's all based on the collective bargaining agreement. How many weeks he played all that stuff that his contract? Then just gets pushed over into the next season. That's what happened with Brian cheesier. That's why he's going to be back without them. Having to redo a contract. He'll be playing for the league minimum which I think is eight hundred fifty thousand dollars. Correct me if I'm wrong there have anyone knows? But still I thought that he li- Roger signing was tremendous signing. It's kind of as one of those under the radar signings. Where you just you bring it back for two years, and it it's only a positive move for me. And you listen to him. I watched an interview that Missy Matt he's did with him after. After he signed the contract and eastbound sounded very very grateful just to be back and don't think that some of these guys the way they're answering questions is not very poignant. I thought that he was very precise. With the words he used it. He wasn't going to be a part of the the old regime so to speak. He was going to be drama Centric. I think this is what the team needed to Huzzah. Good move. So Dave, what did you think about alive Rogers being brought back for two more years? I was surprised of a cause of the contract that had told that they wanna head into the two year deal because they could have had him, basically. I I don't have the numbers in front of me of the I don't think they saved anything by doing the two years. But I'm not on a percent shore. If I'm wrong, I'd really like to know because that's the one thing that concerned me is that if it didn't save anything for this year. There was really no more reason to just let him play out for the one year real quick about the shades ear part of the reason that it worked for them to be able to tell his contract is that is why they gave him on all except the league minimum last year that he was due eight million, plus as a signing bonus, and the converted and gave it to them all all at the beginning with. So when the contract told to this year, it would then be at the league minimum minimum book if they wouldn't have done that they would have had to toll it at eight million again. And which of course, they wouldn't have been able to afford to keep them around for a player that they know wouldn't be playing. So it was very smart. Very well done by the Steelers to do that the right way. But I'm glad he lot ROY. Rogers is on the team. I know ban likes him. I think there's a really good connection there. Like, I said surprised that they did it. But I'm not upset about it. I'll take it's I think it's a good good move to have him on the team. What about you, Brian? What do you think about e Rogers? Well, first of all, I'm not trying to be correct correct in here. But I am going to understanding that it's a one year deal when it was first reported. So if I'm incorrect on apologize. The steelers. It was a one actually was at Ridgely a one a net. It was directed to be too. When it came out officially from the Steelers. It was then reported as the two so you're not crazy virtually reported that way. Okay. So I'm just not up to date. But with that being said, you know, what I'm not the biggest fan of Eli Rogers. I thought in two thousand seventeen he dropped everything that came his way last year when he came back. He seemed pretty solid even though it was about two games two thousand sixteen. He had a great year. I'm just not overly enthused as him being a anything more than a four five. And I'm hoping he's nothing more than a four and a five he could add some value to the team. But really, I think he's just okay. I would have I would have agreed with you. But last Hemi last year, maybe it was just the situation. Maybe it was just the overall importance of the gains when he came back came back came back into England. And then the world ends. I mean, he played he he had a spark to him. I thought he looked really really good. We'll see how plays out. Let's go. Now to the other side of the coin we just talked about signings that we were happy about what's about signings. It made you scratch your head a little bit. And make you think what the heck is going on this time. We're sort of Dave, Dave which signing or deal or transaction made. You just think what the you know what? I definitely I'm going to go with the Anthony Tikolo signing the fact that they are paying him. I think over two years it's about four million a year, whether where they then let Eljay fort go where he would have been half the price and that and to me at a great was at a greater need to keep Eljay Ford it chick alot. I know there was the report that the patriots offered him the same money if they were gonna offer that money out of said, take it to help balance out the compensatory picks that I'm trying to work on that occasion to see how that's working out for the Steelers for next year. But honestly, if chick low would elect a gun in New England that would've helped, but I don't really like him for that price coming back. So I wasn't a big fan of that. If they could have got him for half that price out of been, okay? Didn't forget. Cuba was his two years for ten. I think saw maybe I could be wrong with Philly. I know that he got a I got a pretty decent deal. The Steelers tried to sign him by the way in he took a more lucrative deal with the the eagles. So all the look that up. I know it was released. I know I saw it on my Twitter time line, and I just don't remember the numbers as of right now. But I'm with you, Dave, they end it was it was for more years more years. Well, he's a journeyman. I don't blame him to stay in one spot. I agree with you about chick LA though, I had someone on my show last night in the live chat. Say I love chick lows beast every time he gets on the field. He makes plays. What are you talking about the one and a half sacks that he had last year? And he saw the field of decent amount. Don't give me that crap. I don't bind it Brian. What about you? What made you scratch your head anything more than a fifty dollar gift card? Arby's is is too much for Daniel mccullers. I'm relaxing. He would take the fifty dollar gift card. I'm sure. I'm sure what he plenty arby's now with what he signed for. But he just does not do enough. You know that one sack that you were just talking about chick, Logan one and a half. But that one big play that that mccullers makes every year is not enough. I don't know why we keep bringing this guy back. It just makes me scratch my head. He's he's not as versatile as a as a Lulu. And I know Lewis back, and that's good. So that's your number four guy. I'd rather have LT Walton in there than shade tree. I don't I don't know. What naked pictures or dirt? He has on the Rooney's Tomlin or Colbert how this guy manages to keep. He reminds me of office space. You know, where he literally is just doing whatever he wants. He's gutting fish in his office and putting them with his TPS reports he's going in for those meetings, and he's telling him, I don't do anything. They wanna promote him. I feel like this is Daniel mccullers the piss her Steelers. I mean, my gosh, this guy's done nothing. He is the giant of Maine, you're thinking boy this guy would be a nightmare for offense of lineman. I don't think they might all you have to do stand him up. And he's just like this big old shea tree that just stance. If that's why he's called the shade tree because he doesn't freaking move. But I digress. Don't get me started on Daniel colors. I do wanna talk about what I wasn't happy. Go say, can I say something about mccullers ahead? Let's all bash on the colors. I mean like I said. I've I've wanted to pull for Daniel mccullers for a long time being a basically the largest person in any crowd. Most of the time myself, I kind of feel for the guy I'd like to see him succeed. But I just don't see it. And with the Steelers have in ten picks in this draft. They could have had a backup nose tackle. Which in essence he is. I mean, they hardly ever use those tackle, let alone a backup nose tackle to could had it so much cheaper. Just having a rookie or an underhanded free agents. Just come in and take the job. So I thought that would have been a position to save some money. Hello. 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Everyone knows my feelings about Jordan berry. Okay. If you listen to my show, the standard is a standard. I know the Dave does I don't think Brian ever has. I can't. You only listen to your own stuff. All right. It's. You're a Homer. It's all right. It's fine different. I listened to it law as true, Dave is he's very active in our live, chats and everything anyways. Brian mutual self. I was I was actually typing in on the Sunday show before the the whole I mean a week ago, and you guys completely Nord the cool things I was saying. Sometimes there's a lot of comments stare at everything. Thinking a little community glance better than you know. That's fine. People do I guess that's fine. Anyways. Jordan berry is I'm not in his fan club in. Let's be honest. Mike Tomlin in his in his tenures coach. He has had the worst punters. I think ever at this think about some of the names that you could go through just really really crappy punters, whether it's Mitch Berger Daniel sepulveda's I know Brad wing was another one who was the other come on Bryan step in here. I know, you know, some punters that I'm forgets. Doc was he one of them during you might have been in the no he was in the milk. Our at the end of the Bill cower era forgetting someone it was capitalist. There you go. Oh, Jerry capita. Qaeda's to me, Pat on the back anyways. You're welcome. I have a bigger beef in its with the Pittsburgh Steelers themselves for crying out loud. Will you all please stop making these freaking decisions in the middle of the night. God bless America. My gosh. Okay. So here, I am I run a website. And when you run a website that is a second hand news site like ours. Is you have to be on top of your stuff? If you're not no one's gonna check your site because I pride myself. I try on breaking news to get my article published before I get my ESPN notification on my that's my goal. And so last Sunday, I'm in bed next. I wake up and into new Brown got traded. You've gotta be footing kidding me. Next thing, you know, we lose our sleep. I'm up early writing for articles intended around then last night. Dante Moncrieff get sign. Thank god. Dave Scofield was still awake. I really I'm giving mad props. Dave because you save my. But this morning. On my way to work. I was able to just do proofing on your article, and then just publish huge help. I really appreciate that. But my goodness dealers. Get your stuff together people have to sleep. You know, this isn't saying I hope that things calmed down a little bit. I think it will. But at the same time, it doesn't mean, I'm not frustrated with the process. So guys are you happy the Jordan bury the AUSSIE punter is back. The you know to. I just love watching his thirty five yard punts and his touchback constantly guys. What are your thoughts? Dave. Jordan. Barry lost that job last season. And they still kept him. They let the better and cheaper punter go and kept him. I've I've I've been upset with that ever since I liked that they kept him over Brad wing that year. I thought it was better and cheaper. And last year they had the same opportunity to do it again with a better punter who ended up in Minnesota was was it while is that his name. Yeah. That he was the better punter all through the preseason. And they kept berry. And I don't know why. So I don't know what I feel like he's a Daniel mccullers. He must have something on somebody because there is. Brian. Well, you know, Jordan berry used to work the night shift at a Sydney, Australia McDonald's. So maybe he knows the recipe to the secret sauce, and that's what's going on. Because I can't think of any other reason the keep them I was week two. I was at the Kansas City game and his right. When the ball was snapped. They were already doing them and they'd get a reasonable. I will say this. I thought his second half of the season was better than I he had some decent kit. He had a better second half. But still not enough to keep them you need to bring competition for this guy. I mean seriously think about it. But I don't think they're going to. I just think they honor the contracts that they make and they don't wanna look bad and look back from it. And they'd rather those contracts expire, they do that with coaches. And obviously they're doing it with a guys like mccullers just bring them back. Just because they can't I don't mind bringing back mccullers or berry on a one year deal. I just don't understand why you're throwing the second year, and unless it's strictly for salary cap purposes, which by the way, let's transition now into some other news rumors, Josh say one thing. It is Jordan berry thing I wanted to bring up he's stone wolf in the live chat did bring up something that I said during the season last year. The only reason Jordan berry made it to the entire season last year is because Chris Boswell was struggling and they didn't want to change his holder. He was more important to the Steelers as a holder last year, then he was punter. Well, that makes sense because place kicking was so great last year. Well, he would have had they had a new holder. I mean my gosh, give me a break. Chris boswell? Loves ice. I mean for Boswell in bury were both so inconsistent last year that was the name of the game. But a lot of fans wondering are they gonna make a move. And there's already been some rumors swirling about the potential of that they're courting thirty year old Justin Houston from the who was released from the cheese. Look, no moves Justin Houston. Eric berry was on that. They were all about that last night in the live chat. And they bring Eric various safety. No moves. And I don't mean. I mean, none will happen until they free up some cap space. I'll have to ask Simon about where they are in regards to salary has phase right now. But I know that coming into today they were down around eight million and a lot of that went to Moncrieff. And then you bring in Rogers, and you re signed mccullers, and that's got to be dwindling. And you have to keep some space. Assign your rookies and the only way that they're going to do this is by restructuring Ben Rothlisberger contract, which I would assume is going to happen sooner than later. No last week. I told Brian I could see it happening before next show clearly hasn't happened yet. But at the same time, that's the only way they're going to free up space to make a move like that. Now, here's my question for you guys. Let's say the Steelers are toying with Justin Houston. Do you bring them in? Yes. Or no, Brian. We'll go with you first. Why not? Well, I don't think it's the why not player because it's going to be a lot of money. I'm still thinking bring a guy in. Okay. And if they bring a guy in maybe they they choose to not do something with. But all of a sudden. We'll see but I like to I'd like to see it. So yes, Dave problem is isn't the nine plus million for bud depre-. Now what he gets unless they redo. I mean, let's give him an extension. They can't. I mean, I think it's guaranteed now that they would have they would have already had to have cut him paid that. So that's the problem there, unless they trade him, they could they could they can't reset don't believe they can resend it, you know, now. But at the same time, they could be renegotiated new contract. They say, hey, bud. Let's let's get a three year deal done, and they could change that cap hit from nine million this year too. I don't know four and that was David five million and cast face. There's options there, I'm not as down on depre- is a lot of people are as he living up to the first round billing. No. But he was also I think he's shown some improvement. So we'll put it that way before we get into our stats segment. I do want to ask you all what you thought of two other teams in the AFC north. The Cleveland Browns, which my gosh, they shake in the NFL landscape with their free agent acquisitions along the defensive front most notably though their trade with the New York Giants for OB J Beckham junior. And then you have the Baltimore Ravens who lead players like CJ Moseley Terrel. Suggs, they cut Eric Weddell Zaria Smith is gone. And then they make a splash though. And they bring in Mark Ingram, and they bring in a Earl Thomas had safety. So my question for you guys is what are your thoughts on the AFC north shaping up? Where do you see the Steelers all these teams falling? I know it's still the offseason. But as of right now, the roster Brian will go with you first. What are your thoughts on everything that's gone down? The AFC north of Bengals have been rather, quiet. What are your thoughts on all the stuff going on? You know, first and foremost think about the two thousand. Philadelphia Eagles when they signed everybody. And they were they were supposed to win the Super Bowl that year. And they really didn't come close. I think the Browns are going to be much improved. I think the guys are bringing in our arch. Tremendous. You know, even even the guys were not even talking about. You gotta remember they're they're bringing in guy is all over the place that aren't aren't even the big names. However, I just don't I'm not buying it yet because you know, the coach kitchens has no experience he's never been at this level before. And you're putting a lot of egos a lot you put a lot of chefs in the kitchen, and sometimes that just doesn't translate into wins. So I think that they're hall and everything they brought in was better than what the Baltimore Ravens? Did those are big name splashes, but look Ingram. Mark ingram. The second. He's in the twilight it was career. I know he's thirty but for a running back. I really don't. He didn't have the wear and tear on them last year doubling up with Kamara. And he did that two years in a row in the platoon. So I really I really think when he's in there fulltime that it's just not going to it's just not gonna be the same. So I'm really not worried about him as much then you've got a guy like like Earl Thomas who definitely he has not been healthy the last couple years his biggest his biggest play in the last. Couple years was given the finger to the Seattle crowd. And really, that's that's Baltimore nutshell. So they've they've got another tough guy coming in given the bird. So a new raven a bird that gives the birds in bird land. There you go. But I'm I'm not scared of that. I think they're going to be. Nine and seven ten and sixteen as well. I think Cleland's going to shoot up there around eight nine and seven Pittsburgh's gonna going to struggle, but still could win the division eleven five or ten six. So I look at years where they lost some where they lost some big name free agents. We've seen it with berry foster in and ninety five we saw in two thousand five when they when they lost go bursts. And they went to the Super Bowl both both times that year both times in those separate ears. So I really think the window isn't closed on Pittsburgh. It's going to be a sexier division. Not including Cincinnati. Cincinnati. Welcome to the basement, it's all yours, all alone. And it's going to be pretty neat at the top. But I still think it's Pittsburgh's division to win. What about you? Dave. Championships aren't won on paper. You know that the Browns are now. In Las Vegas. They have a greater odds of one in the Super Bowl right now than the Steelers if he wanted to go put some money on that. But. You just you never know how it's going to all come together. You never know. It's going to all come together. We've seen it with that eagles team. We would see it all the time with the Washington Redskins making the big splash in free agency and everything I commend Cleveland for going for it. I'm glad they're trying to make the moves and never they whatever they can to make their team better. I think it's going to be that before it was. Well, that's just the Cleveland game before that you can't say that anymore. You're going to have to take them seriously. And you're going to have to have to show up with your game in order to win that game. It's not just going to be. Well, here's here comes the cakewalk. Really surprised about the ravens how much their is changing. I'm not saying it's getting worse to just changing. That's an awful lot to lose. Especially a good locker guy like sucks. I was actually kind of disappointed not to see him not end his career in Baltimore. Although I know he is going back home. He goes there Jona with him going state. But I I saw something today. I don't know if he said it today or if it was yesterday, I don't generally, I don't watch his show. Just one of those clip. I saw one Twitter. My god. Let's see what he has to say. Because it was Colin cowherd talking about how the Steelers are going to win the division next year because of the four things that he thinks key to success ownership GM head coach quarterback and in the AFC north the Steelers have the best ownership. The best quarterback arguably the best head coach in his opinion. And and I guess the way he said it was a more than adequate GM. So. We'll see what happens. We'll see how the draft pans out to see out how it all is gonna play. It is going to be interesting. And I think Odell Beckham junior adds and dynamic for the Browns. But at the same time. We've seen it time and time again, not just in Pittsburgh, you put a bunch of superstars together. And all of a sudden, they all want the football. And there's only one football to go around. And although I don't think Nick chub or even cream hunt. If he comes off the suspended list will be guys they're going gonna complain about it, but Jarvis Landry even though they're boys. It goes back to college days LSU, it'll be interesting now the ravens I've never been a one that thinks Lamar Jackson is the answer. I don't think they're going to be. That we competitive, but I think they'll probably either gonna I think it's people are going to catch up with the defense is going to figure figured out a little bit. They're going to have some wrinkles. He's gonna have to throw the football. I'm gonna stick with what? Lance Williams said comes down to his your best quarterback. And I think Ben Rothlisberger. So the best quarterback in the division bar on. And so that's all go with Algo with Ben I've said it before state again, then Roth has made much less in terms of talent wide receiver. Look amazing. So I think jus you, and ally Rogers and Moncrieff and Switzer and jeans Washington, even if that's your crew going into the season, I trust office for can make them look just fine and the offense will continue role. If you have that running game, they'll be they'll be good. So with that said, we'll end that say, let's go to your stack eek segment there. Dave, welcome back, your stats or backup. Brian did a great job in your stead. Let's go. Let's get started. Deb, Brian did a really nice job with that. I I was very very happy to see that. I know he might not have liked to have done it. But he did I do have the answer to that question posed from earlier about the four interceptions. But I'm not gonna tell you yet because it will give away it's going to give away an answer to something else. I was going to ask. We're going to look at some quarterbacks tonight. That's a very perpet- saying that was the biggest free agent signing the Steelers had, but I know Brian's, go to know the answer to this because he looked at it for last week's. And I'd actually started this before even listened to your guys show from last week. So this'll be good. But this is going to set up all the rest of them who was the last Steelers cornerback to make the Pro Bowl. Brian. He'll you should that. The last cornerback make the Brogel, I guess, I'm not paying attention. Well, it you answered it last week. It wasn't. Cash. I did. Rod woodson. Jeff. Because I wasn't. I wasn't a shea. It wasn't this shea. That's for. Ninety rod wasn't I'll go with Bo auguries Brian here. I would your you're semi correct. Because Rod Woodson wasn't nineteen Ninety-six. But in nineteen Ninety-seven you guys talked about it last week. He was playing both positions car now lake. So they did have back-back Pro Bowl technically, he was playing corner. And from everything that I looked at even on the Pro Bowl list it said say slash corner. So I'm like, I don't know if they said which one he was actually elected as so it was either ninety six Wilson or ninety seven with like, we'll say it was ninety seven with because basically the rest of my questions were based off of this time. And that is sense that nineteen Ninety-seven season. How many Cornerbacks do you think? The Steelers have drafted. That's twenty one years now how many corners do you think they've drafted? I'm gonna go. I'll go twenty. Brian. What's your guess? Fellows. I don't know. The question I'm having I'm having trouble. Connection problems. So I know twenty and it was how many quarterbacks. Tenths nineteen ninety seven. Oh, okay. So let's take a look at this. There was a couple couple of number one draft picks in there. I would probably go with go with sixteen should've just stopped this because Jeff got it. Exactly. Correct. It was twenty corners in twenty one years. So there's a few years where they drafted more than one. But just a couple years in there. Well, okay. Well, then since Brian brought it up. How many did they take in the first round out of those twenty? Two. Broad brian. I'm also going to because I'm going Chad, Scott. And. Burns. Chad Scott was drafted before because we're looking from nine hundred ninety eight and Cree Dave wasn't since. It wasn't. Then it was. Yeah. So it was so yes. So it was just it was just already burns any idea. How many of those no we'll go with this one out of all the out of those twenty corners. They have who do you think had the most interceptions? Brian you want to go ahead. And guess I I'll give you hint. It's the answer to your question that you had me look up earlier the only the last Steelers corner to have four and a season. He was drafted Townsend. That would be correct. He and four. Yeah. He had four and a season of can tell you exactly what season. If you give me a second. He had he had four in two thousand four. Yep. And the ad all off now when I say the most interceptions. I mean, the ads Steeler. I'm looking at players what they did. Twenty-one he had twenty one interceptions. So. Who would see where where was the other one who had the most game started for the Steelers at corner since nineteen ninety eight and I'll give you a hint it is not to shake Townsend. He was second actually was third. Sorry. He was. I played for a while. I will I'll go Taylor. I'll go with Ivan as well. That would be correct by a lot. He started a hundred and forty games for the Steelers the next closest was William gave with eighty seven. I was gonna say Dwayne Washington. So. The Duane how out of those twenty corners. How many of them do you think actually was officially credited with starting a game for the Steelers? At corner. The what out of those twenty players drafted since nineteen ninety eight how many of them, do you think actually ended a starting at least one game for the Steelers at corner ten? Let's go twelve. Just the winter because it's eight only eight of them started games, one of which was came Sutton who started two games. So. It's been a pretty bad stretch sense. Mike Tomlin came in in two thousand seven. I'm not saying Tomlin does all the drafting have to clarify that for some of these articles because sometimes we say under Mike Tomlin with the draft. It's just a starting point using the two thousand seven season as a really good starting point. Because William gay was draft in two thousand seven he started eighty seven games. He's the only one. That was anywhere close. But since two thousand seven since William gave only had four different corners start games that they drafted. Which the next most behind? William gay was actually already burns with with thirty one starts. I'll do one last question. Just. Well, because it looks as if who are starting corners shaping up to be this year going into camp, Nelson and Hayden Nelson. Hayden neither of which was drafted by the Steelers. When is the last time that the that there were two corners that started the majority of the games? We'll say ten games for the Steelers that were both drafted by the Steelers. I'd have to say, I and deci. I'm gonna say I can Brian McFadden. That's pretty good guesses. But actually, you're both right with Mike, but was actually in two thousand ten with and William gay. Why are you saying Brian McFadden wasn't? He didn't he start? Yeah. But he was before William gay, but their last. Okay. So the most recent that would have been two thousand ten I was kinda surprised looking at this list. Let's see out of all those corners that they drafted at least one two three four four of them. Never never even played for the Steelers 'cause you gotta count sin quiz golsen. He technically never played wait five of them because Shaquille Richardson or labor made the practice squad. It. It was pretty good. You know in the in the early two thousands. But it's it's been kinda tough sense. Here's the thing that just as a little aside as we end this. Second round pick. Ricardo coakley. Never started a game for the Steelers. I mean, if you're getting into that type of industry, it's not good. I mean, I remember him play. He played. But he never started a game game. That that was the biggest surprise. I saw a lot of this. My biggest prize was drafted him in the second round. Yeah. And not only did they draft him. The second round they traded up and really could've gotten Bob Sanders. They traded with the colts the colts took Bob Sanders. And with the pick that Steeler straight into cokely's. Nice to have. Nice to have standards and follow mullahs. Yeah. Okay. So let's not. Steelers history, cornerback his depressing. So let's talk about what the coming depth chart is going to look like we already mentioned Nelson now on the team is going to at least enter camp is probably the number two opposite Shohei and there's no doubting that I think we all agree to Mike helton's going to be the slot number three guy. And then you have kind of a race for number four with chain Cameron Sutton. Brian Allen is going to be in the mix. And then potentially any other defensive back guys? What we all agree. Yes. Or no the NFL draft should include a cornerback this year. Dave, yes. Or no. Yes. But it now doesn't have to be nearly as high as what it was going to have to be before the beginning of the week. All right, Brian. Yes it. Yes. They do. Okay. But. You can't forget about her waters number thirty five that is also cornerback on that team. He's six two. Two. And you were just discounting what you. You know what? Herb waters can do. And he probably played in the same defensive backfield is already burns in Miami, Florida. And we've seen we've seen it with Mike Helton being in the same backfield guez golsen, so please do not sleep on one herb waters. Hervey waters. He now I. I try I try not to laugh to you. Because like I said if you feel when you brought up the the late well, not the late, but the great Frank Webb was that there would have been a time where if we were doing this shows three years ago, you said don't forget about Mike Hilton. And I would have laughed at you and said, yeah. Mike Hilton as a camp body and look at now Mike kills a name. Everyone knows in. Pittsburgh's. I shouldn't laugh at these guys yet. I do. I'm music colleges. Nate sloan. I'm songwriter. Charlie. Harding. We're the hosts of switched on pop the podcast where Charlie and I breakdown pop hits to reveal how the music works. And why it matters. It's our job to help you find those moments within the music, whether you're a pop fanatic or skeptic, a teenager or an octogenarian non musician or professional composer every music lover. Will discover something you're opening in switched on pop. Yeah. And we think you'll have a lot of fun with us because you're going to get to hear from amazing guest musicians. Song writers producers in journalists. Listen to switched on pop. Every week starting in March on the apple podcast app or wherever you get your podcasts. So here's my question for you. And that is already burns. They're not gonna we're all gonna agree. They're not gonna pick up his fifth year option. But what is your leash for him this year because my feeling is you go into camp thinking? We're not have we have I have we as the Steelers have zero expectations form this year. 'cause you're not going into thinking. He's gotta be our number two guy up situa Hayden. You just you just picked him up for free agency. You don't need them to be number three. What is your approach with with already burns? Brian. We'll go with you first. What's your view of how you handling this going into his last year of his rookie deal? Ryan. Area. Well, I'm thinking I'm thinking they're going to trade them. I'm thinking he's gonna go for seventh round pick to their own cardinals. Like that. Jordan lions, but he's gonna want him for anything. He's awful. But he's a former first round rounder and everybody looks and says I could fix him. Look at all the women over the years that is fixed Nikki six and guys like that, you know. So I mean, everyone thinks that they have the power to fix somebody. You know, a guy like that for a team like Arizona or Detroit hampering men. Well, and do that kind of stuff to what did what did they give up for Justin? Gilbert. Justin gilbert. Wasn't that his name the corner that was like? Yeah. They gave up a six, I think. Yeah. Because he was a first round corner. Taken by another team the Browns who didn't do any of their research on him and realized that he had a very fragile motion state. The Steelers knew they were going to have to kind of get him in the right situation. If they were gonna take him and the Browns took him away early without even interviewing him, and it just basically ruined his career. The Steelers did give a little something just to see if they could resurrect it and didn't work, but it was it was low risk for them. I could see someone else. Taking a same kind of flyer on already burns not that this team has have to trade him. I mean, he's going to be your number one. Well, I guess I don't know. Who knows maybe came sudden they'll beat him out. Who's to say these guys make the team? We'll just have to say. True. So I- last question here before we kind of wrap things up and go into our either segment is what's your comfort level with the secondary? Because when we talk about issues with the defense, we always talk about inside linebacker after Ryan shazier is injury. And we always talk about Cornerbacks. What is your comfort level with the quarterback situation now that they acquired Nelson knowing what we know about Artie burns where is your comfort level with them. Going into two thousand nineteen Dave will serve with you. I'm happy with it. But once again. Yeah. You got to hope that you don't get one of those injuries, you know with with Joe Haden. I mean, he he missed one game last year. I think you just got a pray that he doesn't get injured. So as long as they're injury free. I think that they're all right. I would I would love nothing more than for Artie burns to have a fire lit under him to say. I gotta show I belong in this league. And they actually have competition for starting. Because players are playing well not because there's a competition for who. Also, we're gonna put out there. What about you? Brian. You know, what I'm thinking along the lines that I'm feeling so much better than last year going into less season. They did nothing to upgrade the corners. So this year with I'm sure they are going to be drafting somebody, and you still have guys like Sutton that are still worth a look. So I don't think burns is going to be there. Like, I just said a few minutes ago. But I still feel better about this. This secondary. Okay. So I agree. I think the secretary's are working progress. But I like the way it's trending as my Thomas arrow is pointing up, and so it has been absolutely crazy week for the Pittsburgh Steelers on a lot of fronts players gone player signed renewed redone deals in the news is not going to be slowing down anytime soon. I feel I would expect Rothlisberger to get an extension tomorrow. If it doesn't happen tomorrow be over the weekend. There's going to be stuff that can happen. So with that said, I hope everyone knows to check out behind the curtain dot com. Which is obviously where this whole thing got started. Okay. It's the best. I think it's the best dealers website on the internet. And that's just because I run it. It's because we have shoot, Dave. How many articles we published last two days probably like fourteen or fifteen day? It was it's it was crazy because I was looking for stuff. It was published earlier in the. Morning because I wanted to go back and check something may what have to scroll down far just to find it in our comments have just been out out of this world. And we're talking hundreds of comments per article. So check it out. And obviously you wanna check us out on YouTube. Didn't we have YouTube just go to BT Steelers radio and the YouTube search engines scribe like we appreciate all the sharing? You can do also understand it is only three shows on YouTube. But we have five shows total the other two you have to listen on audio podcast platform. That's that's Brian Steelers hangover with Tony and lances. Yeah. I said it you can find those on any place that you get your podcasts at Stitcher that Spotify. That's I tunes Google play. Just search Steelers, and we'll be one of the first options and subscribes don't miss anything. All right now, we get to are the best sag -ment of the night. And that's our either. Or if you're new to the show, what it is is we have a little fun. We basically ask each other questions of. Yeah. You have options either or and it doesn't have to be football related. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't Brian only goes way off from the football tangent. But nonetheless, that's his right. So Dave, you're back. You're ready ready to go. I hope what is your or tonight? Well, firstly I wanna say is that I did miss some of this stuff the past couple of weeks that would have liked to. I really miss miss not being a part of the cereal conversation last week. That would have been good one. I'll props you bring it up. Crackling oat, bran that was going to be healthy cereal. Wish you could have thrown life. Woodland considered healthy cereal, though. And anything that that gets soggy and forty five seconds. It's because tell me. Works. I very glad that I dodged the question about who. My wife thought I would be from some TV show. I have never watched before. So thank you for for leaving me for that one. But I'm going to I'm going to ask something kind of puzzling tonight. Well, first of all before I do I do have to say, I know I am wearing my my Bumblebee, AB jersey. This was my original outfit that I would wear to game since I restarted making sure that could get back to games every year in Pittsburgh. Especially now that I have season tickets. I've retired this outfit for the last couple of seasons to go with the helmet. But I brought it back for one last hurrah tonight. So then I can pack this away in the closet and probably never see it again. But anyway, I'm gonna ask you something quite puzzling. Oh, and I was following Lance Williams is leap without one. Quite quite puzzling. And that is what puzzles when it comes comes to puzzles. What is your favorite kind of puzzle? Would it be a crossword? A Sedova who or just the regular old did jigsaw puzzle? Now, I actually thought since it was a puzzle question that I would see if I could answer the puzzle. So I actually have what I think you guys are going to say right here. And I wanna see if I can answer the right puzzle about puzzles. Who's gonna go? I I'll go first I guess for me. We'll see if you answered correctly. I I would say jigsaw puzzle. Well, I somewhat got that. Right. What I said is Jeff I don't really do puzzles, but I'll say jigsaw. That's what. That's what I. It's going to be. That's what I thought Jeff would say this creative with Brian guy. Yeah. I thought I was straightforward line. I just thought he would just answer the question. So I'm I'm a jigsaw puzzle. I get one for Christmas every year, and I have to that waiting for me to do it. So I love jigsaw puzzles. All right. Well that I did not get that one. Right. I'm glad you're jigsaw puzzle guy. I know you're also big trivia guy. So I thought you might have gone with infamous crossword because of being able to answer all those fancy questions. I can't spell. So that's why I don't do crosswords. I am a big jigsaw puzzle guy as well. Because of of being with the family. I I had to retire doing from Sedona because I love numbers. I love doing those kinds of puzzles. But sometimes I could I could get obsessed. I would not put it down until I got it. I had the most difficult puzzle. I'd ever had before. Oh my goodness. This was over ten years ago. I stayed up til four o'clock in the morning working on the puzzle on the Sedova to get right? When I had to get up at five o'clock to go play basketball. So that's when I retired my focus, but great family time jigsaw. Puzzles love them can't get enough of them. There's always one on our table upstairs. All right. Do you have used a week two weeks? Do you have any other ones or is all you bring into the table night? Oh, you're gonna make me have to. Oh, that's right. You guys have been doing to. I'm we'll come back to you. Dave you can. Okay. So here's my either for we always let Brian go last. So my daughter's my what I've turned them onto the show little house on the prairie. Okay. And they watch it on Amazon and clearly sometimes I'm in the room when it's on. It's it's not it's it's not that bad. But you know, you you realize like the pioneer settlers air time period. Was that was rough living. You know? So my question is would you rather live in like early North America early United States, settling time settlers time. Or would you rather live way back in Europe's think black play era? Big difference there. But at the same time, there's different risks different reward. Brian. I'm interested here. You'd have stated as what air would you rather live in? Well. Well, first of all the only game of thrones I'm ever playing on the toilet. So I'm just telling you that right now. I would I watched little house with Michael Landon way back in the seventies and the early eighties. And I could probably do that. I I feel like I could be a trailblazer in America. And so I look for that. Dave. Sorry. I had I was still muted. My wife's very big little house fan. She actually was just reading a book that was that was there was another version of it. But she's like, wow. This is more adult than I expected it to be. So I'm not going to go into what kind of stuff it ended up being. She she felt embarrassed because she actually recommended it to her father. She's like he reads that he's gonna think terrible. I I would. So I would so do the the little house of the prairie era. I would I would do that. I could do I could see if I could make that go I grew up in farm area. So I feel like we were we were fruit farm. We had we had about two hundred fruit trees where I lived it wasn't. I mean, we had a bunch of gardens and stuff to work those pretty good. I don't do that anymore because I got my fill of it when I was at age, but. But yeah, I would I definitely go for that area era. When I thought about this question, I had to go with the the little house in the Perry western settlers era, because as a child of the nineties, I was I feel like I've been trained for this by the Oregon trail. I mean that this the Oregon trail has gotten me so prepared for if I ever to live on my own. I mean, you have to know whether you wanna call your your little wagon. I mean, what if you get dysentery I was gonna say. It is. I would always I would always. Always go out and kill wait too much food enough to care. Brian is looking at me right now. Like, I'm nuts because Brian, you know, what the Oregon trail was right? I know you're older than me. But you know, what that was? I know we're trail. Okay. All right, Damian. I know Brian's tired. Jeez. He coming back your I saw it at target. They have a little handheld game. But very to say guess what I got for Christmas this year. Did you get to Oregon? The hand held Oregon trail it is fantastic. Introduced my kids to it probably gave him too many pointers because it seemed way easier this time, it's like you almost had to try to go out of your way to to to not make it but hold on Brian before we go. I just wanna say that someone let the title Frank v in a live. Chad stated that I did Brian would love to live when the golden girls were young. Shit because he said, thank you. A friend. I'm sorry. I missed the end of that. I heard golden girls. Brian would love to live with the golden girls were young LL. Thank you for being a friend. Yeah. That's good stuff. Frank, Brian who well, you might be a regular listener, you you've you've gotten to know him better than you think. I mean, I was going to say this now that I've learned so much tonight. Now that we've talked about little house on the prairie. I know that if the log cabin is Rockin don't come Knockin. Because now I'm gonna read those books because they've said that they're. That they're a little adult and now with the golden girls if the guy is a rock in just come on end. They don't care, especially blanche. All right, Brian. It's your jerks. So, you know, I'm sticking with television as well. And I wrote an article last week before then Intel entire Tonio Brown fallout, and I compared to George Costanza trying to get fired from the New York Yankees by pulling the trophy eating strawberries on while wearing babe, Ruth's jersey and such. So then Jeff, and I started talking about all these great Seinfeld moments. So I started watching it on Hulu like crazy. So my question to you fellas is this if you are going to break up with somebody. Let's go back in time because I know you're not going to break up now. But if you were breaking up with somebody what would be the main factor. Would it be the fact would be vanity would be the fact that the woman had man hands? Or would it be the fact that just you in public? What's worse is it is the two that you take all of the cheap races. They dump people on that ship. You chose man's and that she should you. Dave, go ahead. If you know your answer of those choices I'll go I'll go with with. I could care less about the shish ching in public. I'll go with the man hands. I just referenced was that today or yesterday. I just referenced the one with where she dropped to brush of the toilet. And he didn't get the stop anti. Anti our time. If we started using it, and he couldn't get close to her again that wasn't was my favorite reason to but I'll I'll go. Yeah. I I don't think I'd not a big fan of the man hands. If a woman ever ate her peas one at a time that would be enough to do it for me. But with that said, I would say I would say man's as well on Tuesday. I'm around my brother, and my brother, and I have this. We have a dialogue. That's nothing. But Seinfeld and movie quotes constantly, and he'll say, can you get me a beer, and I'll say here in and he'll take the top, Mike. That's not a twist off which is west cherry signed out says when she just. With her man's as she just takes the lobster just rips it and a half man hands would definitely be a reason for parting ways, we'll say so that was a good. What about you, Brian? Oh, you know, first of all don't shift me in public. That's that's the answer. I don't want to be just by woman public. So that's the big thing for he actually took her back. And then the fact then the reason he ended up breaking up with her because she liked the dockers commercial which was even funnier that he couldn't get behind. But when I called the man hands don't bother me because when I was in college at UP j I used to used to hang out at the women's basketball kit house because that's where the least amount of guys were going, and I figured I had more of a shot. They did. So there were a lot of taller women than me. And I've never had a problem with tall women. And so men hands came along with it. That's fine with me. It's such a great show. Could we could talk about this for hours? Now. Dave throwback to you. If you don't have another one, that's fine. But I'll give you the chance since you missed a couple of weeks if you if you have another one. I could do on. That's not going to be nearly as fun. So so I'm I'm okay ending with man's. That's good. That's good. And you know what? It's good spot to end for all of those. We had a lot of people watch live tonight guys almost two hundred at one time. We're watching live. I really appreciate everyone. That's in the live, Chad. 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Early Sleepers & Values + ADP Picks

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Mike Jason is here ever seen that movie act together terminal. Yes, I look, I was almost that man. But, but, you know, the difference between you and Tom Hanks, Mike. I mean, they're all attracted, they're only a couple of things that Tom Hanks. Back with a vengeance. You had your children at the airport as well. Thanks didn't have to deal with none of that. Yeah. Well, because honestly, if I didn't have to deal with the family and the children, I would I would have stayed there. Yeah. Airport life. It's great come back. Welcome to our sleeper and value early sleeper, in value show. Today, you can find us on Twitter at the F F ballers, YouTube dot com slash the fantasy footballers and the Instagram at the pictures flying on the Instagram videos to Brooks, Brooks handles the Graham, Instagram dot com slash fancy. Footballers angles the Graham, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what the kids say. Is it video up right now view and Jason epic high five so there was some epic shuffleboard that took place with Mike out of town, Jason I went on a run. Eleven game winning streak. Yeah. And there is a gift now. Did you ever is that where it's at it's on Instagram? Brooks. Did you tweet that too? I did sweet that as well. Well, it's worth, we're tweeting, a reminder tomorrow. We'll be in Chicago ballers live live podcast tour begins in Chicago at all hall. If you want tickets ballers live dot com, we're we'll be in New York, the week after then San Francisco LA in Phoenix ballers dot com for tickets come hang out be part of a live show, live mailbag, live mailbag drop featuring you. Yes, it'll be a lot of fun. All right. Let's get into it quick question of the day. Brooks is calling this team eighty ADP pickle. So we're going with the Vikings today which Vikings player. Are you most likely to draft at their current ADP? They're current average draft position in a half point per reception league who are you most likely to draft dalvin cook at two oh, five Adam feeling at three oh, one Stefan digs at four zero one Kirk cousins right now, going at, at twelve oh nine Karl Rudolf thirteen twelve Alexander Madison, barely said his name properties. You were going to sing it Alexander medicine while I got thrown off a little because he's actually had a Rudolph thirteen o seven. Take your pick. May look this is this is like hard for me to do. Because for the last several years, I have been Mr Adam feeling especially when it comes to the Phelan versus diggs. I'm on record saying this year. I am newish, MRs Adam feeling I, I mean do do, and I still believe with a little bit more diet. He's got to believe and workout, I shave the beard, but go on, you know, the so the reality is, I thought that Stefan digs like he's done. The last several years will by the time we get closer to the season. He'll overtake Adam Thiel in an ADP or they'll be back to back. But right now, if Stefan Biggs is a whole entire round after Adam Phelan, and you're talking about a guy who's going to be a top twenty four wide receiver for sure has the ability to be a top twelve wide receiver in the fourth round, I think digs is probably the guy from the Viking. I will personally end up with if the average draft position holds where it is right now. So the question was which Vikings player, you most likely to draft at their ADP. When I looked at this list, digs was the one that jumped out as the best potential value that being said, I'm most likely to draft Alvin cook drafted him in several drafts, he's going into a five in the second round. So I'm feeling very comfortable about that position. I think you're talking about a player that at the end of the season could have been worth first-round pick that I get in the middle of the second round. So he's the most likely player for me to draft being a running back heavy type of, of drafter. So mike. What about you? I, I was kinda surprised that this was your answer. Yeah. My answer of this list is the most likely is Alexander Madison. And I have. I have this weird Fudd. I feel like a funster. I know what that is the fear uncertainty and doubt. Oh, and now I know is most most commonly talked about, when people are, you know, they're trying to spread misinformation about other companies and things like that. But I'm just I I'm I see the world. Wher e all three of those top players are, are literally week winning herb league winning type players, Daba cook could easily skyrocket if he stays healthy who has been amazing on the field. Adam feelings first half the fun dig stars that potential, but I also easily see the world where they all disappoint at the exact same. Exact same time in Alexander Madison was he was one of the rookie running backs that I was very interested in. He popped in my production model out of Boise state, he's not necessarily. He doesn't explode in any particular part of his game. He's just I to me, a well rounded running back, and I think that opportunity is going to knock for him. At some point with they've already talked about them. They wanted to be the latavius Murray for this offense. Which is I mean, that's kind of the obvious thing right away for the Vikings to say, but they spent a third round pick on the guy. They had a huge need at running back down. Cook is not the healthiest person in football throughout his entire career, would you? So when you say I mean, in all likelihood, you're not actually drafting Madison. You're likely I am actually I've been in in, I'm in the midst of many industry marks, and I find myself grabbing Alexander Madison in the double digit rounds. In basically, all of them, does does it feel like you're grabbing the equivalent value of, like, what latavius was last year? Minnesota, you're getting him for. Free. Yeah. Basically okay, make sense. I mean cook, regardless of how good he is. There needs to be another piece to the puzzle. If you believe the team's gonna run the ball more. It's not going to only be cooked. So the draft capital says pay attention to Madison. All right. Jason mentioned the ultimate draft kit. You should hop in and check out a brand new video Mr. Matthew Harmon. Oh, dropped the brand new introduction to the twenty nine thousand nine reception perception project. A lot of people look at you understand what rankings are you understand the tears and the understand these other components of the draft kit. But maybe you don't know the practical value of the reception perception data that's inside. It is proprietary to the ultimate draft kit. It is put together by Matt Harmon over a series of several years of genetic moves Harding, I think he says, in the video fifty thousand routes at this point. He has his viewed, so a lot of data and information but he also clues you on how to best use it to prepare for your fantasy football drafts to check that out ultimate drafty dot com. Skin, the news. News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper. Yeah. The footballers. We reached an agreement with Mike, the fantasy human right to bring him back into the fold after a long absence. He is all been a ruse. He wasn't trapped in the airport. He was holding out. His agents reached out to us. J Grizz made a compelling proposal as well. Yeah, the early reports Jake Grizz really unhappy that we brought Mike back, but, you know, the somebody somebody called him the depth chart assassin, Jay gray Grizz now. Oh, that's throwback. There were rumors that he gave some phone calls to the airline is why so this being that being said, Mike when you left, it was hat week. You still got a hat on heading you found somebody to cut your hair you use the phase. This is no there's no way, I wouldn't. I was on vacation. That's true. I'm not going to spend my vacation time getting a haircut. And then I was trapped on vacation. And now we have this live so fry. I'm. I am in a quite a pickle. There's no. If you come out on the skyline show the hat, I will be very entertaining. I hope he comes out, bald. I o v cog alive show. I'm going ten gallon. I want to see it ten gallon on. I literally have was talking to my wife about this. Like what when you're complaining about all the problems, I'm trapped I got this show Friday. I got my stupid hair, I go out. This is a problem, so Chicago. Get ready for hat locks live show. All right. ESPN. There's been some talk not just about Michael Thomas, but also about Julio Jones and the contract situations for both players. The saints coming out and saying, hey, they're willing to make Michael Thomas the highest played wide wide receiver in the game. Talk about Julio Jones's contract and optimism that it gets done before, can't there's been talk of AJ green contract. So let me just throw this out there for fantasy owners in all three of those circumstances. How does the contract situation translate to how? View view these players for fantasies, specifically Michael Thomas, Julio Jones in AJ green, Michael Thomas. It's relevant to me. He's younger he's gonna get paid. There's no no question. AJ green, and Julio on the other hand, I'm much more. I'm an -ticipant these contracts in these signings, and they're going to make an impact for dynasty. I think of the three it's definitely AJ green yet. That's the most worrisome. He's got you know he's older for wide receiver. He's got a toll problems, and the are you describing Julio Jones or he's just chiming. AJ green could be just as I think those are the same exact I could be describing either. But I'm describing the one who missed several games last year and is in a tumultuous situation with a franchise that is changing head coach changing who knows how long Andy Dalton will be the quarterback. They are they very well halfway through the season could say, Warren rebuilt were in, we've gotta rebuild. You know, we've got some, some pieces in Joe mixon. We've got our new head coach that we liked, but we're going to blow this thing up. So that's not good for jittery. Exactly, if he gets a long term contract signed before the start of this year, his dynasty outlook is much better. I agree in Julio's still got two years. On his contract. I'm actually a little surprised that there's so much hullaballoo going with Julio right now. He's not in the same boat is grow greens and a contract. You're Julio was signed through twenty twenty but he wants more money. Yeah. Well, we all want more money my right aware. Yeah. Hey, guess what? What the chin the chin has retired? Oh man. I just this news broke came through on sleeper while Jason and I were enjoying. Some lunch and Josh mccown retired after seventeen seasons played for ten different teams. He was the first quarterback I ever saw play football live that tells you how long he's been in the league he was the cardinals quarterback in two thousand two. He has one of the greatest chins in history. Sure. Both in more ways than one. Yes literal, and figured it must be in the boxer since you can take a hit. Yeah. He his career is. So bizarre. And just improbable of, you know, drafted to be maybe a starter. And had to start what when the Arizona Cardinals were an absolute dumpster, heap of a team like they were the laughing stock, then kinda was a journeyman took it took a year off the Chicago. I don't know if you guys remember the Chicago area chin, the bears had to lure him out of retirement, and that was like eight years before. And that was the huge resurgence when he was in Chicago. And like he was a fantasy waiver stud. He has a very similar on the field situation as I view Ryan Fitzpatrick, which is, you know, no, no more competent backup. In the last ten years than Josh mccown Ryan Fitzpatrick when they're on the field, you're kind of you're like, oh, maybe that's even good for their receivers as opposed to bad. You know when the started goes out, so congrats on a wonderful career well respected player and he joins ESPN analyst couple bits of. Types news. Let's start in Pittsburgh report out of the athletic. This is the best train of all time guys. Well, I the Pittsburgh one just both of these comments. Well, Dante Moncrieff flap in the base. Do you buy grief? They say a slam dunk that he's the number two wide receiver looks like a slam dunk. Looks like it's lamb Deng. Do you believe he's a slam dunk Mike? He's absolutely looks like it. We're actually going to be talking about Dante Moncrieff later in this show. Let's table that yes, let's talk about something a little bit matter, even better. I go. And makes perfect sense that Mike, this would be even more excited about this player than anybody else. And we'll get to that. But, you know, some some hype about mo- alley Cox now, we call him gigantic, or we call him Gigante for the soul. If you don't know who MO alley Cox is don't feel bad, because I would be shocked. If you really were paying attention to him, he six five. I didn't know who he was seven. It's a last year preseason I'm watching the colts and then there is a man who is standing literally three heads above everyone else on the team. Go who is that guy? He is enormous, and then you find out. Oh, he plays site. And he plays one of the quotes skill positions. He's enormous and the six five to six. That's garbage. Right. He is sailing eight seven feet eight inches tall. At least six hundred pounds runs runs a four one forty. I mean when when there are twenty two NFL players on the field. Several of them are six five Lyman. You've got you've got a bunch. And then there's this one guy that walks on, that's like he's added believe goes, it's been confirmed. He's one of the mon- stars. But MO alley Cox predicting a breakout season now. See, here's what we know about injury luck when we bring it back to fantasy and more Cox's giant head easy to target, but he's going to be a red zone threat. He did score a couple of times last year. Andrew lock is has no qualms about throwing a large quantity at touchdowns to the tight end position while he Cox Jack Doyle, Eric Hebron will all see. Tom on the field. Good news for Ebro. That's more. You're not looking at Miley, Cox's a fantasy threat. You're looking at him as an addition for Andrew luck. And as a threat to Eric Ibran inject oils production at the position, right? Right. And to be fair. Neither Jack Doyle or run. They're not practicing right now. The reason why mo- caulk so awesome is he's the starting tight end for that team as as it lays right now. And he's, he's you Mungo. He is. I can't stress this. He's so big. He I mean, if you're, we can't say it enough, he's giant. Gam tick picture. Mike's head which in and of its own is also human renowned as being a larger average head if we look when tasted cranial, only when we get pictures. It doesn't matter if Mike standing in the front or the back, the biggest of us now double that. Yes. And that's mildly Cox's head. That's the size of his hand. Now was today's news and notes reminder, sleeper, does not just break the latest fantasy news. They are also the best fantasy platform as simple or as complex as you need your lead to be. It is flexible, download the sleeper app today. You're doing the tiered. P P R. I don't know if you fall. Oh me on Twitter. A few months ago, we had talked to them someone had brought up this interest, very interesting system for, for tearing the actual value of a reception, and it was just like this is a really cool idea. So I was talking with this person re tweeting, their idea, and sleeper said, hey, we can do that. And then they did. And they did it's going to be incredible experiment. Hey, before move to the early sleepers wanna think today's sponsor manscaping. The number one in men's below the belt grooming look. Whoa, look fellas since it of area. You gotta keep it tight. You gotta keep it right? And that means you gotta groom yourself and you go, you want to groom. With the absolute number one us manscaping. Like Andy said, it's a sensitive area if if, if you've been taking care of yourself, which I hope you have we've all experienced the injuries. The injuries that can come from using an inferior product kidding. It's more like, yes. 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Sleepers. Sleepers. I forgot about that one. Is pretty good. It's pretty good. Well, we come from the land of the ice and snow Andy. Yes. Yes. If you look up on our wall. That's a that's vintage sleeper up there. We've got te'o on the wall doing his famous sleeper touchdown nice race team. He just didn't. Now they let you celebrate again. I mean, Teo was the reason they stopped it him in Ocho, Cinco. And then and then they brought it back. He he's gonna retirement, but now they team celebrations. Do you think Ocho Cinco and throw owns would be about? They were known liberty were known his team players. Mike, that was what they were renowned for sure. All right. We're into we're each going to pick an early sleeper defend or make the case for that player, and then we'll give an early value as well. Do we have on tears and wants to go first here I'll jump in here? My early sleeper. I want to highlight this player that is the bird alert himself Albert Wilson. He is at reception. Perception superstar has been for quite some time. He is there might be people right now saying who does he play for. So. Our Wilson plays for the Miami Dolphins. He had he kinda came up in the league for the chiefs. Got you know not not a huge contract. But for a player of his caliber got a nice contract to come in, for Miami. He did suffer a pretty major injury last year where people were were thinking I we don't even know if he's going to return to football but all signs point to him being a one hundred percent on track to start the season. I want to highlight a few things for apple Albert Wilson, his opportunity, Miami cleaned house. They brought in pyroli new regime. Yes. Maybe there are trusting the process but they did not draft a single wide receiver and this could definitely be a team. You look and say that team seemed like they needed to invest some capital in a wide receiver. They were able to bring back. Devante Parker at a bargain deal for him. And it's, it's Kenny stills Albert Wilson, devante Parker. Those are the big three guys he has four four speed. If you saw him last year he had a game where he absolutely went hamburglar, just huge three huge plays in this game receptor perception. Like I talked about he scores in the ninety eighth percentile of success versus zone. So if you've tried to put his own defender on our Wilson, you're done you are. Absolutely toasty is going to make you pay. He excels in the short and intermediate intermediate game like a player Julian Edelman. Why do I like that because of the new regime in Miami? They're trying to make the south beach into south New England because they brought in they just said, New England sinister coaches with Brian Flora's is their head coach. He's a defensive guy. That means the offense is going up to Chatto shea who spent the last ten years as the wide receiver coach for the New England Patriots. It someone is going to this is my belief they're going to do. Do their best to turn someone into a Julian Edelman style of player. Get they chat O'Shea has already said he's bringing that offense down the quick timing routes, and I don't think there's a better player fit on this team then Albert Wilson who fits that scheme. Yeah. Nordenham and Dollah right threat. The thing about Wilson that is the complete distraction because I think the high plain would be through the roof on Wilson. If you had his first half of the year at last year, and you could put the injury out of your mind. Yes, the injury is the thing that, you know, the injury with Howard, projecting the offense are the two points of pause for me. Absolute excitement for Welson he'll probably according to Matthew Betz in our ultimate draft kit says Wilson will probably be limited through the entire offseason program. So will I ever have the guts to buy in Mike? You think we should? Yeah. That's the that is the tough thing. A lot of times series injuries. They take longer, you know, it's like, okay, however long. It takes to be totally recovered. It was a hip injury. So if you were out there, you don't know what happened. He was. Suffered a hip injury. Sure. And, and it's one of those things where it's like look the NFL season starts when it starts, it doesn't give thought to your injury recovery. And that leads very rude his SuperFood that leads into my sleeper because my sleeper was a guy who got a devastating injury. Torn achilles for Dionne to form in, when he was looking starting to awesome, his rookie year, and that torn achilles was honest was on a massive touchstone play. Yes, it was. He had an awesome. I believe as touchdown reception broke away. I guess there's. Yep. And into the end zone he fell with one achilles tangents to his body and on rough injury. It was and it was sad. And, you know, the thing is about that injuries. It's, it's tough to come back from you, especially for running backs. We, we have rarely seen running backs because there's a couple things that have to happen. You have to be young enough to where team still want you. You have to be given an enormous time line, which most of the time running backs don't they just don't get that opportunity. Well, Diaw foreman has the opportunity, he basically missed all of last year. He did get back last season. He was in the playoffs. I think you only had like three carries for negative ten. So you're gonna highlight. Sure. I mean he wasn't there last year. That last year was him getting right? But look, what the, the Houston, Texas have done right. I mean they improve their offense of line. Or at least they hope to have in in, I believe small ways they lost Alfred blue. They did not bring in other running backs. It is Lamar Miller and the onto form and ESPN recently wrote up an article about all thirty two teams who was the camp star who was the the surprising breakout player of each team's camp. And for the Houston Texans, it was Dion to format who everybody says, looks amazing Bill O'Brien has been talking them up, and you have to go back to twenty seventeen to remember what was happening twenty seventeen the onto forms rookie year. They started getting him more and more involved getting him games with double digit carries all of a sudden Lamar. Miller looked like he was his job in jeopardy a-, and then he tore his achilles in Lamar Miller. Had the entire backfield last year and was the guy. Nobody's been excited about Lamar Miller Lamar Miller. He he on his own. He provides a value for where he's being drafted if he's the guy. But the reason why I believe in Diaz form and has a sleeper is because it he's one of the rare guys that I don't believe it requires an injury in front of him for him to actually come into fantasy relevance. He could win the job. He's truly one hundred percent healthy had like a almost two year recovery time line. He's young. And if you don't remember the onto form and from when he was drafted in two thousand seventeen I love them. I love this tape he had incredible college production, Kevin Cole a great fantasy mind back in the day was working for rove is had this great running back model projection model. That was really. I mean it was very accurate had a great historical success, rate and Diatta form in, in that model was the number one running back ahead of linen for net. Joe mixon Christian McCaffrey Marla MAC Aaron Jones that, that group that those guys scored while. So my point is he's talented. He's got the opportunity. I believe me, a little bit of the dumb cook situation where combine wasn't as friendly to him. But what you saw on tape and what we saw in the field before the injury was pretty impressive. Sure. But he's, he's not a pass catcher, though. Well I mean he was not a pass catcher in college at all one hundred percent year, right? For some reason, the Texas have talked him up as a good pass catcher. Bill O'Brien has said that he's a good pass catcher but I mean we've seen we've heard that would Jordan Howard and things like that. So take it for what you will, I that is that is deaf. Question Mark, but he's a guy that's going super late or virtually undrafted and round the onto Tim around right now. Lamar Miller is going. In the six and in a dynasty league. Look, I know some people, maybe they draft in the held on because they're they super believing him and you're not gonna prime away. Some people are like I don't care about this backup who got negative yards last year. See if you can buy them, cheap. I mean, I'm I'm with you, that it's when you can get a running back in the, in the double digit rounds who has the potential to usurp the, the, the quote starter like Deontay form and so wonderful be on a he's going to be on a high powered office a Texas or we're going to score Ilana points as long as Shawn Watson and yonder Hopkins are on the field. If, if what if, if forming can steal even just the goal line role, and you have a great backup running back. Yeah. And the definition that we give for a sleeper as a player who is either not drafted or drafted very late that our prime to emerge as a contributor as an impact player as somebody that can excel due to these reasons you brought up increased opportunity or the scheme chain. Change or the circumstance. You're talking about a player that is not hyped is drafted much later and drafts Mike you just mentioned players that have the chance the opportunity the percentage chance to usurp. These are I it's a perfect transition because I was deciding between courtesy annual I was deciding between him in Kaelin Balaj from some very similar and Balaj is in that book. I mean Balaj is the late thirteenth round pick Kenyan Drake is a fifth round pick. I have them projected for the same amount of carries this year. So that's my honorable mention of Kaelin Balaj. And we'll talk more about him over the course of the offseason is not to say he's going to do it, but they're only a certain number of players. It's why I like you know we'll talk about ROY Freeman in a little while same reason just as sneak in here. Like I do not believe in Kaelin blogs. I, I don't think he's a good enough. Running back doesn't have the moves and I do believe in Kenyan Drake hundred percent. So, like, I'm I'm on the other side. But I still recognize the value. Ceylan Balaj is in the draft because I could be wrong. It doesn't even matter. Maybe it could be right in the coaches they want Balaj. They, they give them the opportunity. I completely agree with the idea that came and Balaj any perfect situation to be able to be a great sleeper have the opportunity, and I could just be wrong on the inside. Well, and keep in mind Kenyan Drake believes he's a lizard person. No, no. He's he doesn't. Oh, he's no Sammy walk. But I could have got you take him, right. Out of your breakout lift. No, I'm going to go with courtesy MU courtesy annual is is one of my favorite sleeper picks. This is a former second round draft pick. And I think what's interesting to look at is over the second half of last year, you know, the hype is there for DJ more, right? DJ more is currently a sixth round draft pick in fantasy drafts. And for good reason de Jim was a very talented player high draft capital room pick first-round, pick, but Samuel was the second round pick and over the back half of last year. By the way, you can get courtesy EMU on the eleventh round right now and I don't think that's going to change. I really don't. They had equal targets last year over the second half fifty seven targets fifty eight targets receptions, thirty three to thirty seven courtesy. Emo, score four touchdowns the DJ Moore's one similar saving yardage. DJ more outpace them a little bit fantasy points. Courtesy amu- was better. So when you look at that comparison, what you see on film, Curtis Samuel, he passes all the tests reception perception wise, very talented player. Very good. Route runner people look at him as the gadget guy. No, he's a great route runner, huge opportunity. Right in Carolina for these guys to both emerge. I'll take the eleventh round pick the sleeper that showed out on the field versus the six round pick. If I have to flip that coin, I think that both guys have the chance to do well, but one of them's free for me. So that guy's courtesy him. I think he's a great sleeper pick. I think he's got a great opportunity, and I love identifying that what I'll call right here, the cheaper guests, okay. Give me the cheaper. Guests in Kalem Balaj. Gimme the cheaper guests in courtesy annual. So that's, that's my sleeper pick any thoughts on Curtis. I, I love the pick of Curtis Samuel one being asleep, or I will say, I, I do believe his eighty p will rise, those industry mocks, starring about known industry mock versus a homely, these are very, very different things, but he basically averages out to be amid eighth round pick. So it people are going to start picking up, they're going to get the fumes the whiffs of the hype train for cursing. I think he ends up in the single digit rounds before August really gets if we have anything to say about it that will probably be the case. Yeah, it is telling though in the industry marks the people that do this for a living. They are much higher than the average draft price on Curtis. Samuel that alone is telling that they see something, you know, talent and opportunity that, that has the potential to break out and we have to remember. To before we get into the values. And we talked about this little in the office today with the Balaj Kenyan Drake situation. There are so many factors in decision making here is not like the Carolina Panthers. They, they don't sit back and they go man. We're gonna give DJ more. We're gonna give them thirty percent, more opportunity this year because we spent a first round pick on him last year and two years ago. Samuel is a second. That's how you think you're out there to win games you out there to produce. They don't care about your fantasy team. They don't they don't care if DJ Moore's is going higher in your draft, and they don't care if you know if a team does view Kenyan Drake, as a player who can't carry a high workload, they don't care about the fishing numbers, if that's the perception of the team. Now. We don't know that to be the case with Balaj and Drake in Drake, as a hyper talented player, but we just have to remember they're not. They're not looking through the same lens that we're looking through so stupid. 's I know let's get into the values. Values. The energies it's hi Mike lark. Those those is from some fire drops fellows. Are I let's talk about some early value picks? Each of us selected one guy. Why don't you kick it off? Jason perfect. Little transition, a nice segue. Because Curtis Samuel, he does have talent coming into another unit says DJ more. He's got talent coming into another year the system. I think the wide receiving corps for the Carolina Panthers. They've got Greg Olsen back. They've got those too wide receivers. They've got Christian McCaffrey decent Cam. Newton is an incredible value right now. He ended the year injured obviously had the surgery on his shoulder in the offseason and his last two games were basically he he couldn't throw the ball more than ten yards. They were taking them out on plays when the head to throw a deep. It was unbelievable. And look, I'm I'm scoot. I'm scooting at blue. I'm scooting. It. Here's reality. Cam. Newton is one of the best fantasy football players are quarterbacks of all time. He never doesn't produce when he's on the field. Now you can worry about injuries right in, in his career when he plays sixteen games he has been a top four quarterback that the lowest he's been in a sixteen game season is quarterback. Four that's pretty Doug on good. And he's right now being drafted as the tenth quarterback in the ninth round. I'm usually a double digit quarterback drafter, right? I wait till the tenth round and then I start looking this year in the ninth round, I'm gonna be I'm going to be looking for Cam. It's gotta shoulder sale. You get a discount and the discount on the shoulder. So I don't care about I interest, you man with only one shoulder. I don't care at all about the injury or the injury risk that can presents when, when I get my quarterback of the ninth or tenth, let's. Say he reinjured it and he's out whatever, I'll pivot, I expect that there's a good chance when I dropped my ninth or tenth round quarterback, you don't skewering the position, you don't scoot, your booty with your shoulder. But here's what that's true. No, he's had the surgery before and came off of it for a career year and was amazing. What I care about is on a week by week basis is this guy that's going to dominate. And if you look at what he was doing last year before the shoulder injury. He was dominating eight of his first eleven games. If you go through week twelve or you know every teams had their by week. He's he had eight games as a top ten quarterback do you want to know who else had eight games as the top ten quarterback, the list is, Pat Mahomes, Cam Newton and no one else? Not Matt Ryan who was great not. Jared Goff who had that incredible first half of the year. Not breeze. Not to Shawn Watson or Aaron Rodgers are Andrew luck. None of them had that kind of a rate a percentage of their games played in the top ten at quarterback. Cam Newton is a huge value in, you know, near double digit rounds. And he's already passed the soldier surgery. He's already throwing full in many camps. And you know so he's gonna go in have a full training camp. Full preseason, I am all about Cam Newton this, I feel like last offseason, we spent a lot of time, or I tried to spend a lot of time, telling you, he was to run and he's not gonna stop running the case with Cam. Newton is always eventually that will happen, right? Eventually some year, something will happen where it came is not going to do it for you. An infinite amount of time. But this far you're right. I mean, the proof is in the pudding when he plays he's great when he doesn't play doesn't put up numbers, unfortunately. But when he plays, he's been great, and I think he's going to stay at a discount. There are too many other fantasy quarterbacks with glisten in gleam coming off of them. The Baker may feel the Carson Wentz is not to say that he should necessarily go ahead of those guys. But because there's so many that are interesting right guys like Matt Ryan who finished number two last year. Definitely going ahead of Cam in this year start up. Yeah. You don't just have players like drew Brees or the hat. You know, Tom Brady sitting ahead of him and drafts, there's a lot of very young attractive other option. So it makes him value. I doubt he changes much before fantasy drafts. Sure, I'll jump in its Roy's Freeman, Royce. Freeman is my early value pick and it would have. Given me nothing but joy to maintain my full Philip Lindsey phantom on into the offseason loved him last year picked him up in every league enjoyed every moment of own Philip Lindsay accepted every very end of the season. But you gotta stay water and fantasy you've got to rotate your viewpoint. And this is another situation like Balaj and Drake, where Royce Freeman burst rooms a high draft capital guy. Mike spent much of the season talking up Royce Freeman last year at Philip. I'm pretty sure it was a my guy for you last was. And the thing is, is the season didn't go the way we expect it for Royce Freeman. But it wasn't all Royce Freeman's fault. He battled through injury throughout the season and Philip Lindsey was great. He showed up he showed out he stole carries. But this is not the offense in Denver is going to be balanced between these players because Royce Freeman is good. And that's why Royce Freeman still. Average four Carey in a season when he battled injuries, he's a patient runner. He breaks tackles in a way that, you know, Philip Lindsay is evasive Royce. Freeman is violent Royce Freeman. He's very strong and he faced eight in the box thirty six percent of the time last year, and you saw it was weird because when he got on the field, he just didn't face the Afo the opposing front that Philip Lindsay face last year. He's an eighth round pick and take this for what you will. But he's a fluid pass catcher. He is a flexible pass catcher. See salami who's based out of Denver. He's a very well respected fantasy name for years, but he especially knows the Denver. You know he's on the Denver beat says he looks amazingly fluid as a receiver in camp. There's just some things that lined up against Royce Freeman last year, I believe that this offense which look there's renovation happening in Denver. And I think Phillip is a great and talented player, but Royce Freeman is the one that I would say if I had to bet on one putting up double digit touchdowns in the offense like who's got the best odds of doing that. It's Royce Freeman. It's not Philip Lindsey to me. So as a value in the draft, I think you get guaranteed production with the Royce Freeman draft pick in the eighth round. All right. I'm jumping in here. We alluded to it at the beginning. And the reason he hasn't been talked about in the past few shows because I was gone, I didn't have a chance to spread my love yet again for Dante Moncrieff. Moncrieff. Moncrieff has had a very interesting career. He was a pretty high draft capital guy because he's a absolute physical freak six to two twenty runs a four four those guys. They don't grow on trees makes very impressive. Incident videos is has grass combines that has a top three touchdown celebrate in the league in the bay right now. And the problem with Moncrieff is he has inflicted several fantasy wounds upon the community. He looked like he was absolutely poised for a breakout situation in Indianapolis when his sophomore year, he put up. He had over one hundred targets sixty four receptions over seven hundred yards and six touchdowns. Then the next year he was the app. He was the touchdown machine if you were playing fantasy in two thousand sixteen you knew that if there was a week of football in the colts were playing that meant that Dante Moncrieff. Was going to catch a touchdown. That's just what happened but then he got hit by the injury bug. And then he got hit by again, the next year to a point where the if you're, you're the colts and you have this wide receiver who you, you think there's potential, but half of his career with you. He's just been injury-plagued. You're not going to give him money. You're not going to re-sign you're gonna move on. That's just what happens, then he ended looked like he had a death sentence for his career because he ended up in Jacksonville with Blake Bortles where he was still able to have not a great fantasy year, but a reasonably productive year as a receiver given his circumstances now. Slightly better circumstance. He's landed in it. What I would say the best, the best situation that as a free agent he possibly could have landed in. He's in the Pittsburgh Steelers often the bisquick Steelers traded away their best wide receivers in a giant target hall. The best one. Yeah. Yeah. The best wide receiver. He's got Big Ben. I would dare to say that is a huge upgrade over Blake Bortles and even last year with Blake Bortles when things were rough. He was still able to average about fourteen yard for reception. He's still a big big play guy. He's still in elite red zone option. And I've looked the for I'll give credit to mount harm in because this is the first that was the first place. I heard the, the term coined of talking about the offseason drumbeat of a player. And that's what you need to follow. It starts to the news starts to build. It seems like fluff pieces. It seems like hype but it just continues to build upon itself. And I believe that's what's happening right now for Dante. Longcrete people want James Washington to be the number two guy for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He graded out as one of the absolute worst wide receivers in pro-football, focus the way that they chart gots is, this is this is an open job. This is no one is locked in as a number two guy. And Moncrieff is going in double digit rounds absolutely free. Well, that, that part I like a lot. But I don't wanna hear what you're not saying. It's not that Moncrieff is stepping into become grano, a massive volume toy layer. It's that there's opportunity and we I think we talked about this last week. Jason where it's like, okay is it? Moncrieff is downtown. Johnson is James Washington. I think it's awful. I think that's the truth. You don't replace in Tonio Brown with one player. You probably play some players please do not acting monk ref- is replacing Tony Brown. I think though, what is it voicing? Martavis bryant. Sure hope is that, that role where Bryant was running nine's along the sideline and was pretty darn valuable for fantasy. When he was a Pittsburgh Steeler that Dante Moncrieff can establish himself as a Goto, deep threat guy. But I worry about him being the Fulton read of the NFL next year where it's one in every five games. I'm like, yeah. Baby could been in a row taste somebody else. Absolutely could be that the thing is. I'm just I willing to take the chance that I get the number two wide receiver for Pittsburgh. In historically speaking before juju. It was really just one wide receiver would be would put up a leap production for big bent. So I'm not saying that I think Moncrieff is coming in and he's turning into a top fifteen wide receiver. But to get a guy who, if he is the number two guy for for Big Ben. I think it's pretty locked loaded that he's the top thirty six ranked wide receiver and to get him in the, the later rounds when you know that he can absolutely just explode and win you week every five games. Then I'm taking the very interesting, I think in three. Receiver leagues as well. And as a flex rotational type of option with upside, and I, I would throw in best ball leagues best Bali going to get those deep bomb. Touchdown to you don't have to make the decision as to win to start him when he's gonna because I, I have a feeling it's going to be, you know, hot and cold. He's not going to have the volume that says, when he doesn't have a big game, he still has an okay game is probably going to be big game or bus. It's at a one year deal. Again, it's a two year deal. Okay. As a two year deal he's only twenty five he'd make the rotation trying to play with every quarterback in football each year. He's the absolutely could. But he's got a huge, huge opportunity. How old is he twenty-five? Yeah. He's a he's a good valley. Very interesting. Tougher rookie wide receivers to come in. Everybody likes the Johnson. I liked the Johnson takes long term. I'm interested in Johnson. But I I'm not drafting deonte Johnson in any form of redraft, this year, rookie wide receivers also historically. Before juju like rookie guys, just don't do anything under Mike Tomlin. Yeah. Yeah. They it's, it's a uphill battle to do that. All right. Let's jump in. Well, that's perfect in Tonio Brown. Just talked about the gaping hole. All the targets leftover in Pittsburgh in Antonio Brown. Sign Oakland Raiders jersey yesterday at pristine, auction dot com, JC witnessed, that's pretty cool. Seventy four dollars. They already got him. Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, like if I'm a raiders fan and, you know, I would love an Oakland raider sign Antonio Brown. 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Steelers Preview, the After Party: The best Free Agent acquisitions in Steelers history

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Steelers Preview, the After Party: The best Free Agent acquisitions in Steelers history

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Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller thanks. Hey Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome after party about US Alavi. We were in a we. Were just talking about that. So she said Jokes Party going on which are always funny led the way they are always funny. I don't care how sure it is. It's always funny. I'm Jeff Hardman editor behind his joker dot com with. Brian Davis Dave Scofield. If you are listening and audio platform you have to understand it on Youtube. You can find us on youtube by searching. Bt SC steelers radio we are always right back to back however the audio shows are separated. There's one that runs early in the morning and there's one that runs at one. Pm That's giving you show your morning commute and for your commute home all right so we had a great show. The steelers preview. A hope you ever to check that out if not welcome to the after party and we're going to start off talking about steelers free agents and we just talked ad nauseam about all the steelers free agents but I wanted to bring up. Who in your opinion was the best free agent signings in steelers history remember? It hasn't been like mid nineties when free agency started so. Who in your opinion was the best stealer free agent acquisition in team history? I think we're all going to go but I'm curious if anyone has anything different if you're the live chat right now fire away. We'll see and undrafted free agents. Don't count known agent free agent pickup because every time. I do article on this everybody throws in James Harrison. And there really wasn't a free agent would not qualify. So who? Who IS DAVE? You'RE GONNA go. I thought it's very potsy. He's on the list Brian who else. Let's see your potsy and I give you a Kevin Greene. That's the other. I'm going to go with Mr Jeff Harding's very good as the center of people forget that he was a free agent pig up that really panned out. Anyone WANNA go for Mr Ryan Clark was he. He was a free agent. People forget about that. He started his career with the redskins. I believe or was it the giants. Who did he start with he? He started with the giants actually and ended up with the REDSKINS. If I'm not mistaken and found his home I believe day might be able to. I thought he came to Pittsburgh from Washington where before Washington. That's the question I'm not saying. He had time anymore. He West is saying giants and Redskins. So he did little mini tour of the NFC eased so Ryan Kellerman tunes in with Dante Moncrieff. There you go so one of the best. I it may be early but Steven Nelson working his way up there Steven Nelson. Yeah I mean let me about to get more than one season but after one season I would say I guess it's still early but he may be on put them in there now. Does Joe Haden Count. Was He technically very. Though he was released he could have been signed by any team he cleared waivers and then. I think Eli grabbed him. Jerry contrary west ends of Jericho Khatri. That was another. You know where I'm going with this one one of my favorites and I talk about this all the time. I don't care what position he plays but norm Johnson. You'RE GONNA say case Keenum Stein Case Keenum. I hear you Keenan Jersey off that China vote as soon as possible. I'm ordering it now Ryan O'Toole unfortunately. This isn't one his joke of Josh. Toby Hell for him that was ally signing a lot of people. Were saying like these Josh Kobi's and we're going to get their case a D patient people live says this is probably the we heal kneel down the majority of the big name guys now. Here's an aspen. Who are the players that departed in free agency? You're like Oh gosh I hate to see them? Go You understand it but you hate to see him give you mine as Chad Brown. I player that left in free agency went to Seattle and like really he was so much. A part of that Blitzburgh events back in the nineties hated to see him go Who else anyone else. Data go on. Go Gerry Anderson. A said he loved the every agency. Well it didn't Trade Him Dad. Tim went to Philadelphia all right Brian. Anyone else I mean there's there's spout now some stuff they're saying some really good ones on there. I mean Rod Woodson's got to be one of them. Are you left in San Francisco? Did you hear this story about him? Leaving he was on the show with Dan. Patrick I forget what it's called. It was on the audience network and he was on there and he said that the steelers called them like the day before free agency and said Yeah. We're going to give you a deal. It's it's really cheap They knew they were going to bring him back. He was just kind of insulted. He's really after all I've done for this franchise as good as I've been for you. All this is what you're GONNA do. And he said it was just really easy to leave at that point and he said he hates the way that it ended but at that point that the steelers he felt it was a giant slap in the face. So who else West says Joey Porter? That's that was a tough one nine with that. They're a greener green. Eric Green Kevin Greens and other one west. Ludo shut up. Did you say that we are going to say Franko? Franco didn't finish his career. A lot of people don't realize that vodka drinker was daily of freedom. Pick I believe he was lessening Yup the loot for but I would not put him anywhere near the top free agent pickups for the steelers though Mike Webster leaving reed says that that's private is probably a tough one for those who were remembering that thought for me. I was in high school. Mike rebel Kyle says Mike Able but then again as he points out rate was not available when he was a Pittsburgh that was used felt bad about it two years later. When you're like Oh man. The steelers could have had this. Yeah can you think of anyone else? Some people throwing out Merril Hodge Emmanuel. Sanders is being brought up anyone's Mike Wallace. The first one I thought was Antica. Which Rhino told you put out there Allen Fan Ika PLAXICO burress laughter free agency. I got a good one. What's that now? We netted one of the best ones from this guy leaving but at the time when he left in two thousand two URL homes. That was that guy was a good player for the team and ended up having a decent career afterwards. We ended up getting barrier a week later. So but Earl Holmes departure was tough. Ferrier was robbed of Defensive Player of the year a couple of times I think he he was so good for the steelers I went to. Let's get real quick. I was at a jets game. I was away for business. The steelers were playing at night and so this was the year that he was robbed and I was talking to the jets fans behind us. I'm like hey thanks for James. For by the way like yeah. I don't understand it. We couldn't get a UGO for that guy here. He goes to your team. And he's defensive player of the year the exact. That's exactly what this guy said. Hey that's pretty good. Good thing. He wasn't from Australia. What's that I can't do in Australia? Janet Lopez Bobby. I should come up. Twice a drum baddest was acquired via trade. He was second and fourth round. Pick in San Antonio home this trade it too correct. That's another one wouldn't be considered. Let's get to the fun stuff. Let's get to the worst free agent acquisitions in steelers history. I'm going to say that for me. It's dairy screen and I know was injury related and I know the could've been. He could have been so good and they had so many repaid him a lot of money and he just couldn't get on the field. I'M GONNA say leterrier screens in atop my list guys already said Moncrieff Is there anyone else? Is your worst free agent. Pickups Jon Bostick Sheila Kevin Barlow. Gosh that's a long time. Well the problem is they're when they're that bad we don't even remember that they were steelers. That's part I'm actually have an article. That will probably run tomorrow. I'm going to say that Dante Moncrieff was not even the worst free agent signing this past off season by the steelers you went a giant lose to the article no but remember there are free agent. Didn't mean that they left from somewhere else this worst signing that the steelers had this past off season was choosing to sign Anthony Tikolo. That was a huge mistake. He had injury problems with plantar fasciitis before he had surgery. Because of it still had issues with it. Cashed in half a sack. This year only missed several games and not only that the steel. I mean they paid him too much money. I mean they signed him for two years. Eight million now graphic addicted sake. Five million if they cut him which they're going to in my opinion but the problem is by not letting him go to New England. There's a trickle. Down effect of a bunch of things one is they would. He would have entered into the cop formula as a six round. Pick and you're like. Oh well they would've got six round pick but he would can't stoled Jesse James and Steven Nelson wouldn't have been cancelled and the talk or however it works now flooding magical but online is they would've got spoiled little good article. We're trying to figure out a jacket. I figured out that that it was even got a possibly be higher than a six round. Pick I'm I'm getting all confused. I didn't I didn't ever now. They're in front of me but wouldn't you have much rather had another draft pick this year and not have to worry about that salary for someone who gave you know. I mean the thing is with moncrieff. Didn't even pay my whole salary for the season so it it wasn't that bad. They're actually out more by signing. Tikolo because they released monetary part way through the season and it could have got something in return for him and they didn't agree. How would you put the Angela Williams on the good list? Yeah yes good. Free AGENT PICKUP WANT AD. No I give me a chance for you. Say That here they mishandled Lou Garrick blunt completely. They did not give that guy a chance. They ran the wheel wheels off of a bell. If Labia if this guy the they didn't play this guy at all they played them in one game. That was the Carolina game in week. Three where he would when he played he looked pretty good. That's the thing they didn't give this guy and opportunity to get on the field but he was not bad when he had an opportunity to touch the ball well he might gigantic butthole but and if they had them they're they're they're probably in the AFC championship game that year if they had a guy they're not signing Ben Tate. After bell goes down on week seventeen thousand fourteen was on. Bell was so good that year you you wouldn't you didn't WanNa take off the field for anything period. I get what you're saying. I hear the fourth quarter Games. I know I know I know but I think the steelers they made any mistake. It was probably. They didn't really explain the blonde. What his role was going to be. He was probably sold a A. Hey maybe splitting time. And what he got was. You're on the bench watching and we might put you in to give him a breather. That steelers Pittsburgh Yeah. That's not a good reason to quit on the team. But the signing as a player his production when he was playing was not bad. That's the thing giant her though yeah I mean like I said he's not he's not getting humanitarian of the year. Anything like that. He wasn't a good dude. How how much do the situation before? The preseason game factor into them not caring if they gave implant time or not. Hey Lady on bell was driving the car and he was an adult so I mean that's the thing so they're not punishing bell so I'm the bad influence thing. I don't agree. Here's a trivia question. Who did they play in that? Preseason game that was the Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia. And they were there they were dressed in. Everyone's like oh my gosh. They're dressing should've taken them. That was just a nightmare and I was on this. I was writing for the time was the editor but I was on the brink. Say All right. That was good. That was good stuff. I WANNA get your guys. Take an article that are published this afternoon from Mr Michael Beck who is a volunteer writer for the website is about his idea for if the steelers the NFL wants to put in seventeenth game. It's how do you find the seventeenth game? Dave is done his own formula. I don't know if it's the same or different. But he wants Michael Back. That is he wants to have the seventeenth game to be a proximity game and he likes to be. Afc VERSUS NFC. If possible to be teams that are close in geographic proximity. So he said Pittsburgh in Philly would play every year unless it's their year to play in the rotation of AFC NORTH VERSUS NFC east. Which just happens to be this season. In which case he said they would move to super bowl matchups where maybe they'll play the cardinals or they'll play the vikings. It's not a perfect science but it didn't make is interesting. He said Cleveland in Detroit. I believe was one. He said the Ravens in the Redskins was one either two teams that he couldn't find geographical magic knows the New England patriots in the San Francisco. Forty niners so dave egner. You have your thoughts on this. What are you what when you when you saw this. What were your thoughts? My thoughts are the way they do things now and this is why I would say. I wouldn't even change from a sixteen game season although I did a year and a half ago propose a seventeen game season. If they were going to do it I like I like the way they currently do things where your schedule set the only two extra games you have are based on where you finishing your division and you have that same matchup and that keeps it competitive like is it really fair. What happens if I mean? Is it really fair to the Eagles? If the steelers are solid all the time and then you get somebody else in their division having to play a team. You know. Someone's got you know what if they're playing the browns all the time or one of the other bottom feeders. Or you know let let let. Let's run your scenario here okay. So you're talking about the NFC east. He had the tax and is playing the cowboys the jets and the giants and he had the Ravens and the redskins. I would say the Eagles and the Redskins and the cowboys all have it. Much harder than the giants. 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Or in your favorite podcasts at from vulture in the VOX media podcast network have a good one know even proposed having like neutral site games like the bill and they'll be evidenced knowledge. You know seventeen th this is the NFL already. Laid this out that the seventeenth game as a neutral site game for everybody. That's how they can play more games in London at Mexico at not take away home games from teams that lose home games all the time. Every team plays it or at least by. This was my proposal from what I understand that. Nfl implied this that these would be neutral site games. I proposed it about this past year. The steelers with the way I would have done actually last year was the year before the way I would have done the match ups is you take the NFC division that you're two years removed from playing meaning. You played two years ago. You're going to play him in two seasons. You take the same team from the you know that finished in the same rankings you. That would've lear before last would have put the steelers playing the eagles and I said let's play that game in Happy Valley. Let's go to. Let's go to beaver stadium. You know and played at Penn State to hold more people and that just would have been an amazing atmosphere to do that so bravely could happen. Sometimes my first question is who did he have the The the raiders playing. That was my question would be you know. Even though they're in Las Vegas even though they're going to LAS VEGAS PROBABLY DENVER. Let's go now. They're they've seen. What am I saying? Let me see if I can only bring up the article. Good Brian to talk about the premise. In general Dave I actually like David thinking I mean. I really don't know where you go with this. How you 'cause the formula they have is perfect because I tell you who they're playing in two thousand twenty nine teams and I've blown people's mind without guys. It's just a formula. I mean I don't know anything but you know what I mean I get it. I like the whole thing but I would love Daddy Pittsburgh playing Philly but the problem is one. What's that rematch? Yeah I'd love to hear Pittsburgh Philly Baltimore Washington Cleveland Detroit Indianapolis Chicago Seattle Denver Arizona. Las Vegas La Rams La chargers buffalo in Green Bay New York New York Minnesota. Kansas City. Dallas HOUSTON JACKSONVILLE NEW ORLEANS TAMPA Bay Miami Tennessee Atlanta Cincinnati Carolina and. Then he has new England in San Francisco playing each other because those were the two teams that he geographic could not put together. Okay so for me Denver. In Arizona you could put Arizona and Las Vegas Arizona in Vegas. You could put Denver in Arizona together because you know Colorado's not that far from Arizona and hangar lead in Seattle hung hanging at the dry so there's GonNa be teams that don't regularly. I think is even better than you. So he is he in. Today's only two teams miss out on this kind of proximity rivalry played New England in San Francisco but they can spend that one as eleven combined. Titles or you could do super bowl. Rematches like Seattle New England as well so well the way I would do it again over the this coming year the AFC North would play one game against the NFC south because last year we played the West. This you're playing the east. The following year we play the north. The South is the one where most removed from. So that would give you Baltimore New Orleans. Pittsburgh Atlanta Cleveland Tampa and Cincinnati Carolina. Years Your theory. Dave makes more sense because it's systematic. It's you know exactly what's coming. His is more of a gimmick that is create is to create drama to create rivalries. That might have never been born. You know the Battle of Pennsylvania the keystone bowl. Whatever you WANNA call it. Obviously you could have some issues there so I just thought it was interesting premise. I'm going to your take on it so Brian go ahead. You know what's funny after steeler game and I was watching. Oh Gosh actually steelers lost the day and then New England was playing Baltimore and I turned it off because I was so upset. I couldn't sleep so I actually. I expanded the League the forty and I would. I put a team in Portland. I put a team actually put a team in London. Put them in the AFC east. I geographic changed all the divisions up to about three o'clock. I guess I should've been reading an article but hey geoff. Did an article like that last year. I'm Jeff I already had this in my back pocket of of realigning all the all the divisions basically on geography and getting Dallas out of the NFC blood that you did not expand a forty though. All I didn't expand a forty Birmingham but holes would have been in there. I mean I. I had a team in Birmingham. Not Look Ryan this. Is the after party lay. Everybody here comes. Here comes ricky. Repton out to leave the team coach. Sports Radio Stink this year team in Portland. I kept a team in Vegas. I put a team back in. Saint Louis Baragan the welcome to the average was filtered through it. Goodness okay So this is an honest question that West had earlier. I want to bring it up. He said Do. We listened to any Sports podcasts if so which ones do we listen to? Because I don't know maybe wants to check it out personally. I don't listen to any other sports. Podcast I listened to all of our podcast every single show back because as a producer of our podcast platform. It's my job to make sure things run smoothly. Sound good. Make sure we have good topics. Good flow to shows I give some people some critique and stuff like that I do listen to sports. Talk Radio I primarily listen to mad dog sports radio both to and from work. I love the morning then. I Love Mad Dog Chris Russo. This guys are great in terms of they actually look at their stick in. Our stick is very similar. I learned a lot from them. So that's me Brian. What are you listen to you? You know I I look to the one podcast. It's technically not a sports podcast. Even though it's done by Bill Simmons. It's called the Rewatch ables it takes movies and breaks them down for about an hour and a half. It's fantastic. It's really cool movies. The first one I ever listened to was a few good man. It's it's fantastic. But if I'm listening. Sports Radio and I listen to a lot of sports radio. It's primarily the fan out of Pittsburgh because of IHEART HEART RADIO DOT com. I get to listen to the fan and get all my Pittsburgh News every once in a while. I'm turning on Stan Maybe tension wolf during the season but Like I said most of the time I'm on the Fan because they're twenty four hours and you have a lot of ESPN and I don't WanNa be listening to The four letter network. I mean I I just don't enjoy anymore David by you. I listen to our podcast. And that's a good question for you. Snowman puts two dollars in the tip drinks. At how much do you think the salary cap will go up? I'm going to say it's roughly wasn't it's been like around ten million increase every year. It's give or take. It's pretty much an average they. They announce new it let teams know what they believed. It would be but I don't remember what it was. I was thinking it was right around round ten here. Brad Jewett Says Jeff. Remember you had Chris Carter on a long time ago I am very. I'm good friends with Chris Carter. I talked with Chris Carter. I still in Chris. Carter's unlocked on. I think locked on steelers podcast. So shut him. Chris is a great guy. I'm going to support it. Every does decay Pittsburgh Spore SICOM. Go there just for Kris like literally just the Chris just for Chris Carter. Okay all right That was a question if you have questions in the live chat and you WanNa fire away. Go ahead Brian. I guess I need we got. We need jeopardy come but I mean I guess I gotTa give. I don't have any questions Dave. Did you have anything before we get to Jennifer ready or not? It's better than jeopardy. I think I'm joining into jeopardy here. It seems the hand we we've talked Davis joining in. Yeah so we'll go with since I wasted one. We'll go with the A two hundred dollar question but Dave will you haven't involved are there. There's only there's two hundred four hundred six hundred eight hundred I say only one category. Okay Jeff all about Jeff Jeff added no okay Dave. We play along with me. This is jeopardy is is is Let me do money to Jeff for two hundred dollars. This is an easy one jeff. Has this many children. Oh No the answer is not seventy two. It would be what what is less than Philip rivers. What is that is correct. That is correct. What is five okay so that was an easy one dave? Do you want to go out man? S Way off. He's a one thousand and one million you just enough to make Lacrosse team. So no one knows what that is because no one cares about lacrosse right here. We go for this is this. Is Your daily double danger asking questions about his questions. He came up with his own. I don't know what it is. This is the position which plays in slow pitch softball position. That's why I paused. Just got up and say kids. What is it made dramatic politics ten positions to choose from and slow shortstop center fielder? Let's say shortstop. That's that's the jock position in that's the best fielding Position Softball. I would say Church League softball or men's off also. Let's say short. If they'll here's the thing Kathy would be correct if you're talking about him as a baseball player. Jeff you're catcher. How much pressure my whole life but for Slow Pitch Softball Jeff would be one left fielder. Tanned would also hit in the leadoff position. Every I've been batting leadoff since I started playing for that team in two thousand four. So yes there you go. That's it used to be a leadoff man. Believe it or not now. Okay Yeah I was like Pete rose. I just played aggressive and daily W nist Brian. You Miss Your opportunity to really double down. Gosh I'm sorry you want now all right for four hundred dollars well. Jeff is a master Lacrosse. He's classically trained in this art. People that listen to the show. She knows answer well. He is classically trained in. What is voice? But I would also say that he has also quite the guitarist's yea that I would say I'm an intermediate not advanced or anything like that. I can play but yeah yeah. That's good cross cross withdraw sir. Yeah I I'm a huge fitness Guy Brad. If he's in the lab chatty falls on Instagram. But I'm not. I'm not a map as ballet. Hey pal seeing jeff to to make me laugh so when speaking of NAP when I go to sing with his band you can come and play guitar so okay sure. That's you can guest as a guitar player so we already did a six hundred dollar questions. So born on December twenty fifth. This singer. Songwriter is so much of Jesus. Like figure to Jeff that he seen him over times in concert can listen to this. If you listened to the after party he should know the answer to that would be one James Buffet. Who is James Buffet? But also born on December twenty fifth. We discussed the last in the last episode is Jordan Dangerfield. And it's it's Jimmy N. Jesus Jimmy and Jesus on December twenty fifth there. You Go. Ooh What else. I'm going to see her notes and concert. Wednesday six days away from glory. Baby really bring up these. Those guys are is heading. I missed two steelers that had December twenty fifth birthday is not just Jordan Dangerfield also Zach Banner. Okay did not know that all right so here is the big one. I don't know if you know this one go ahead. This is my favorite one and this is going to. This is going to spark hopefully conversation because point title is this. This is a thousand. Let's just say this final jeopardy nervous here well no final jeopardy so working as a security guard. Jeff wants broken head fight at this legendary singers concert. You're remember this story. I told You I store and I'm assuming it is not the same you'd be buffet. No I was working this concert where I worked at city. You got do it. That's phrase. Let's say I'm going to you said it was a legendary singers was a cat fight. I would go with. Who is I'm just GONNA make up? Who is Barry Manilow answer the answer is one? Sir? Elton John. John John Sir Elton. John I did say Sorelle Dave just set up too busy reading one reason behind the Ceratin John. Could you explain the story so to give you a little bit of background? At the Wheeling Civic Center as an usher which I worked throughout high school in the when the winter months. Most of the time concerts were. It was basically open seating so a one letter and scattered Z. Top came it was. You had a ticket. Everything was general. Admission you've got to sit wherever you wanted first-come-first-served they opened the gates. People were running to the front of the stage. Elton John was different. Elton John You gotTa Sign Seeds Net. Made it hell for US ushers. And so I remember. We had gotten everyone seated or standing Doing our jobs flashlights Blah Blah Blah. People coming in late in my boss comes up to a bunch of guys were in high school at the time and they say Women need you to go to the stage in stand in front of the stage and I said why and they said well at the end of the show. Ellen likes to go down in like science autographs and sometimes fans have gotten a little aggressive and I said. Are you talking about the same person that I like Elton? John Really in the I again. I like his music but I'm not. I'm not rushing the stage Jeff. You just need to do it okay. Fine so my buddy my next door neighbor. Geez walkup were standing there and we got our security stuff on like this is ridiculous like this is stupid like I feel like an idiot standing here staring at the row. Elton John's behind us and there he goes he finishes in. He stands up in these women. I mean were cut cut throat in one woman decided that she was going to take her empty. Pack of Marlboro Lights. She going to rip. It said that it was flat. Okay so it's not perfect. It's not a purchase. She ripped the heart. Pack of Marlboro Lights in was trying to get out and John to sign it. And there's another woman next to her and she says how dare you offer that to Sir Elton. John and this looks Heller you shoving each other and I'm like looking at my buddy. Jason Mike. Is this real life is this really is a. We have to basically step in and say look. Y'All got to break it up. This is neither of them gotten autograph. They had to go back to their seats. We didn't kick him out. That's the Elton John's dare. How dare you offer that to sir? Elton John Marble Lights hard are back John. Because obviously when you work this shows you're there you're there thank you at this point. I appreciate the the Jeff. Well I think what we need here. Dave and I I hope. Hopefully you'll agree with me. You need to come up with one final jeopardy question I do. Yes jeopardy's for us. Yes has to give us a jeopardy question. I think about that one. Snoopy inputs two dollars a tip jars is heavy versus the old man. I appreciate that. Snow as loyal loyal follower viewer. All that he is nearly as old as he looks. Because I know I look a whole lot younger and I'm the old man on his show but it's not sixty seven. You're just one with hair Brian and true only lottery. I'm ever GONNA win. I'm trying to think of a good one here. I will just will just poor rabbit out of that ear okay. I did play high school baseball. I played baseball throughout by really my entire life up until college number. But what number did I wear all throughout high school and even prior to that in the years going into high school? What Jersey number did I wear? I'm going to. I have two guesses but I can only guess ons okay. Well if it was based on your favorite player I was going to go there. But I'm going to go twenty one. That's what I was GONNA guess for. Clemente was going to be answering one. What was your other guests? Brian Eighteen in the answer. Would BE TWENTY-ONE DEBA- for Roberto Clemente Right? When I was in sixth grade we got sent to the library to find a book to do a report on and I found one on Roberto Clemente and I had heard my dad talk about seeing play Forbes field and I read about the humanitarian that he was and how great he was and it caused me to really start reading more and more about him. And I've I really have a passion for Roberto Clemente. I need to go to that museum in Pittsburgh. That's definitely something I WANNA do. Is On my bucket list But Yeah I were twenty one all throughout high school in. It's been my number as long as I can remember so Yeah for Adiba Roberto Clemente. So there's your jeopardy question for you. That's a great question all right but Elton John Man Elton John Sir. I have to add to add a little bit. Is that story. You know when you work these shows you get there super early so like the show starts at eight o'clock you'd have to be there at five thirty. They're not they're not you have to be at five thirty helps set up. Make sure you're in your five appropriate spy because the doors start at at the openness visiting time so you get to hear the sound checks and you got to Elton. John had emas annoying soundcheck ever. He didn't even do it. He was nine on the stage. Okay he did his little British man he can he won. T T T T it's blasting out and you're like oh my gosh. This is so annoying. How it thirty minutes thirty minutes that sound check. It was awful absolutely awful. So all right here we go. Logan said he missed the two pox story. That's a question for Lance Williams. And I tell you I don't know the two-pack story it's not what you think but I could tell you but you'd have to listen to if you go back I think is a standard is a standard a couple of weeks ago. He talks about how he knew to pop before he got big before he really popular. And so there you go Let's see here what he was friends with to pucker heating it was. It's A. He knew they knew each other. I wouldn't say they were friends but they knew each other. I don't want to say anything. More land can tell that story if he wants. Debuted a question last week that you didn't ask. Did you WANNA ask tonight? It wasn't a question it was. It was a little bit more involved so we can wait for. We can wait for that. Yeah we don't need it. We'll we'll start on jeopardy jeopardy so yeah I mean break. Web lives where it's discreet. Name but screen. Gosh that's the ultimate tribute youngman was. Hey let's let's let's talk about some. We have a five minutes before we call it a show in this under the three of US talked about and I want to kind of put it out there and the people to join us for this after party like the loyal fans did are the. We're GONNA stick with you guys for another show. We were talking about in guys. I don't mind me saying this on the air we were talking about. Since the steelers have a first round draft pick in the upcoming twenty twenty draft maybe organize a watch party here in the Free State of Maryland. We would let you know day. Obviously where we would do it for me. Brothers and We would like to know of anyone would be interested in doing that. I obviously ended a lot of people have to. They don't live close if you obviously live wherever. That's not gonNA happen if we had some people that would say let's say we had. I don't know five to ten. Even pretty cool verse repeats. Yeah we need. Rsvp's we'd have to set everything up. We do a live show from that location. We do interviews. I think he fought the watch the first round. And you're waiting to see if maybe the trade back into the first round ultimately just enjoying the draft and not having a steelers pick until they take Eighteenth when they take a Mr Minka Fitzpatrick number eighteen overall. For how you do that. You're all pro talent so honestly you're if you're someone that would do that. Let us know you can send dave an email myself an email Brian. Email doesn't matter and you say yeah I would be in for that. That would be pretty cool We all know the date. It's the first round of the NFL draft and Like I heard of April twenty third of April as where's that in relation to Easter after the twelfth of April this year so but I'd be off work. Now take off on Friday. That's okay so okay. If you would be interested let us know I. I didn't I didn't WANNA put that out there guys in a jump on your seven toes or anything but I think it'd be pretty cool to do and I wanted to bring that up only Ryan killing. Only if I could teleport to Maryland for four hours so age I understand that we. We all live here in Maryland. Obviously it's easy for us but I know there are some people that are closed. We have some fans of live in the area in the close to the area so Brian. You have anything to add any other questions to ask or are we good to go. No that would be fantastic to To See if we can get people to come to the that Live party. We actually tried it a few years ago. When the blog talkradio days Me another host. And Gosh it was really bad because you couldn't hear the show because blonde back was so bad and the Internet was bad but I'd love a chance to do it again. And when we had a chance Dave and I had a chance to hang out with some people at the Buffalo Game. The Sunday night football game. It was just a blast so would love to see if anybody would come but other than that. Happy Birthday. Jeff Sorry Frank Web lives says. I'm jumping in the web wagon now. Every benefits is wearing Maryland. It's a western. So it's around like the Hagerstown Frederick area. That's we'll obviously give specifics as it gets closer west is he's interested. Stevens trying to car pool with people. This is awesome. It would be really cool to see our fan base show up and I'd love to meet everybody and put a face with name in talk steelers football football general. How cool would it be? If you're coming from out of town the remaining brothers that we would be going to Brian's got the hookup and getting us a section offer ourselves there's no creighton hotels all around a little rock and there's only one per manny brothers in Maryland. That's the only one in Maryland now. Geoffrey Geoffrey says if an hour. It's more it's how long is it from Pittsburgh? Dave if you live in the Pittsburgh area Rena every three three and half depending on which way you go takes me three hours to get the stadium. Johnstone to you know So it's I mean it's doable. If yes I mean. It's it's one of the things that if you guys come down we'll watch the draft you all. I mean you can say you can go back that night. That's up to use hotels right there. he'd be a fun time. We'll be there it. I don't think so I mean he'll say it's too cold or it's too warm or the weather's not or I don't know oriented all all live chats on. Yeah I said it will go to his plane ticket supertalk. He's got. The one thing is is that we could. We would obviously do a show from the remaining brothers and we'd love to have people join us and it would be. It would be fun. And I'd love to figure out the logistics people are thrown up Brad's to in two hours and twenty minutes away. Logan says he's two hours in fifty three minutes. I this is great. Tony lives in Pittsburgh. He'll drive yup. Yeah ovary up. This has always been a dream of mine because honestly the radio show. I listed in the morning like they do this. They call it their foul Khan and friends and listeners of the show and they have hundreds and hundreds of their listeners show of once a year to this event like man that would be so cool to have such a following such a contingent that you actually have people that Wanna travel to meet you and to see you and talk with you to spend time like that's that'd be awesome. That'd be awesome so David add no I. I think it's if people would be willing to come. That'd be fine with me. I won't set up any movie premieres like last year where I'm not allowed even able to watch the draft or anything like that. I'd make sure that I would get that on my calendar known grant. Well there's no whore isn't going to be playing. I don't think it now I know people were talking for. This is awesome so I'll tell you what this is. GonNa get after party guys. Thank you for the birthday wishes. Everyone in the live chat. Y'All are good friends of mine? Dave Brian and The Jerry then. He hasn't been friends with one. Dave Brian Goodness it would be a good time and guys. Thank you for the birthday wishes. I appreciate that. Jefferson was a lot of fun. Lot of fun really made the after party. Great so Anything to add before we call this show not the best color guys in the League for Folks Happy Birthday Big Boss Man. Little Feminine for me. All right we'll take a party. Take it easy.

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