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LA Rams rally in 2nd half to beat Wilks, Panthers 24-10
"After losing their previous two games the rams got back in the win column by beating the Panthers 24 to ten Alan Robinson scored LA's first point of the game with a 5 yard touchdown catch When is it hard to combine this league You know again you know being able to come back today you know again was good for us Matthew Stafford threw for 243 yards and that one touchdown Ben scarron and Daryl Henderson each ran for scores Carolina's only touchdown came on a Dante Jackson picked 6 Mark Myers englewood California
Kash Patel: Either Russia or China Sabotaged the Nord Stream
"The brookings institution cash which is the pee pee hoax place They are freaking out that me and me personally they wrote a whole piece on it today because I've been honestly covering the explosion at the Nord stream pipeline I'm very careful I do not know who did it I chalk it up to its probably either Russia or the United States Russia would do it because I believe Putin may be looking for a reason to escalate So they could say look we were sitting in meanwhile sabotaging his own pipeline U.S. we would do it because one it appeals to the greens and second it kind of creates more of a crisis to get NATO involved If we were looking for it I don't know which one of those things is true But brookings seems really concerned with me talking about it Why do you think that is Well we should take everything the brookings Institutes for a 100% truth value Let's just rewind the clock a little bit Brookings institute the employer Fiona hill the lady in between Christopher Steele eager Dante COFF and the total russiagate hoax Both of whom broke the law and she hired those people at brookings Now that they're personally attacking you Dan is because you're doing the job of reporting the truth and burying their donor class And you've got it right Dan I don't know I don't have access to the classified Intel anymore but former deputy director of national intelligence I have an idea of what these guys do My money's on the Russians or the Chinese I think the Russians did it or the Chinese did it to make it look like America did it Either way circling back to our conversation about nuclear warhead talk Vladimir Putin now has the ultimate justification from his perspective he thought he had it by the growth of NATO on the iron curtain in the country in the 80s We said would never join I'm not saying he's right I'm just saying from his perspective Right Now he has the ultimate And we're never going to be able to prove it What are we going to go deep dive into North Sea to 2000 feet down Exactly It's the perfect crime It's perfect And unfortunately the tragic for our national security
The Characters Encountered by Odysseus in the Land of the Dead
"Beginning a journey with Odysseus into Hades, the land of the dead. Now, despite itself is pretty remarkable in Greek and even ancient literature. There are only the greatest of Greek heroes while alive. End up going to the land of the dead. Hercules are Heracles did that. Orpheus did that. Theseus did that. Now later after the Odyssey, we will see that in the aeneid aeneas does that. He following in this great tradition makes a journey to the land of the dead. And by the way, thinking ahead before I did, I talked about home where I talked about Dante. Notice how Dante is putting himself in this kind of ancient tradition. Of course, Dante is doing it within a Christian framework. He's going through hell and purgatory and then making his ascent to heaven. But Dante is undertaking himself a journey that was previously described in ancient literature by Homer by Virgil and so on. So this is remarkable in and of itself. Now, I mentioned the last time that it's a good narrative device for Homer because he uses this journey to have Odysseus meet with a prophet named tyreseus. And tyreese diuresis can sort of update Odysseus on what has happened in Ithaca since he's been away. And describe the threats that face Odysseus before he before he returns.
How Trojan Ripheus Landed in the Upper Circle of Dante's Paradiso
"But what about this guy? Rafael. This is a very minor character in the Iliad, and he has like a two line you can almost call it a walk on part. And of him Virgil says that after the sack of Troy, he says was quote foremost injustice and zealous for the right. So a really good man. And then basically Virgil says, he was killed. And that's all he says about him. And so amazingly, this guy Rafael is up here with king David, a major figure in the Bible was believed to have written all the psalms. And this seems to make no sense because, first of all, Dante's hero and guide Virgil, he's back in limbo. He's in the outer ring of inferno. What about aeneas, the founder of Troy and the great hero, the subject of the aeneid? Well, turns out he's in limbo too. So how could it be that this guy Rafael who is one of aeneas's troops and Friends? Who makes this kind of brief appearance in the aeneid, you could almost miss them if you weren't reading really closely, he has, yeah, he's a good guy. He's just guy, boom, he's dead. And here he is, elevated, you may say by Dante into the upper circles of Paradise. It's like, what's going on? Go figure. I mean, what do you make of this? And I think this is exactly why Dante puts him here because Dante's point is exactly go figure. In other words, don't think that we, puny humans who look around and see people, not from the inside, but from a partial perspective. We shouldn't be think that we have divine knowledge. We don't have divine foreknowledge. We don't have divine knowledge at all. And divine knowledge, that's superior wisdom that sees all things sort of perfectly and as they are, that might see rape in a completely different way than you do or I do or even Virgil does in the
Dinesh Reflects on Justinian the Great
"I'm picking up today on Dante and I haven't done Dante in a few days. Mainly because of the focus on the release of the movie and so I'll spend a little time reorienting us as to where we left off. I was talking about the emperor Justinian and I was talking about how Justinian was the author of the just of the code of Justinian, essentially a for a formulation of Justinian of Roman law. That was used, not just in early medieval times, but also in Dante's own day. People rediscovered the Justinian code and they're like, wow, this is actually fantastic. And I want to say a couple of things about Justinian before moving on. Justinian talks about Brutus and cassius both being in hell. And this, of course, flashes our mind back to the very end of the inferno where we find right next to Satan, Brutus and cassius. It's a little bit of a surprise. Wow, are those the guys the worst sinners? And the question is Dante has to kind of give us the reason why, and he doesn't do it there. But he does a little bit here where he says Brutus and cassius flail about in hell, it made modena and perugia grieve. Very Dante esque statement. So here you have modena and perugia two Italian towns that are kind of side by side. And wa Dante is saying is in the aftermath of the betrayal of Brutus and cassius and their murder of Caesar. What happened is there was a round of civil wars. So the fourth Civil War was a Civil War between Brutus and cassius on the one side and octavius and Mark Antony on the other side and that was a bloody and brutal war, which resulted in the victory of Mark Antony and octavius, but then there was a second Civil War in which Anthony and octavius were arrayed against each other, and that was no less bloody and no less brutal, and of course that then established the augustinian. Sorry, the augustan Succession. Augustus became the emperor, but in the meantime, Dante's point is lots of people got hurt. Lots of people got killed. And Dante's way of saying that is not some philosophical formulation there were innumerable duds to fall. No, it made modena and perugia
Daunte Wright's mother detained after recording traffic stop
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The Changes in Language and Mood in Dante's Divine Comedy
"I was talking last time about the different mood and even language in Dante's paradiso. And the language in the paradiso matches what Dante is doing in these kantos. The language and inferno was a somewhat crude language of distance. And by that I mean Dante the pilgrim is keeping away and should keep away from the evil spirits in hell. He doesn't want to become one of them. He wants to sort of step back and while he's willing to listen to them, the lessons that he takes from the sinners in hell are negative. Don't be like that. Don't do that or you're gonna end up like that guy. And in purgatorio, the language now moves. To a language that is a little more communal, you'll find that by and large spirits and purgatory aren't by themselves, they're in groups. And so you have this communal aspect to it. But at the same time, they remain distinctively individual. So that when one of the sinners steps forward, by the way, their sinners and in all three books, it's not like there are sinners and hell and sinners and purgatory, but no sinners in heaven. If heaven were for heaven was a place where you couldn't have sinners, it would be completely empty. So it's sinners all true. And this is important to know because it meets the objection. Well, ignorant objection that Paradise parodies was gonna be really boring to Nash because, you know, it's just gonna be a lot of holy people who don't commit Sims. No, you're gonna find out there's sinners throughout. Well, particularly in the kind of outer rings of heaven. Sinners whose lessons are just like an inferno negative. These are people who did wrong things and bad things, and they talked to Dante about them. And in that sense, there's a kind of consistency between inferno and purgatorio and
Dinesh Explores the Remarkable Meeting Between Dante and Statius
"We'll continuing the discussion between Dante and the Roman poet statius in on the high terrace of purgatory. One of the most fascinating episodes in the entire comedia. And Dante raises a question that should have occurred to you and all of us by now, which is, what is a pagan poet? Someone who as far as we know was not a Christian, what is he doing in purgatory on his way to heaven? And moreover, if statius was a disciple or a student of Virgil, how is it that Virgil? Belongs in limbo in the outer portals of hell. Virtual can not and as we'll see in the poem virtual can't go much further even in purgatory, even as a temporary guide, Virgil is going to have to quit. He's going to have to go back. And how is this guy statius moving on moving on in Ascension to the ultimate bliss of heaven? So Dante asks statius directly. From what you wrote in Clio's company, it does not seem that you have faithful then to that faith without which virtue is in vain. If this be so, says Dante, tell me what heavenly son or earthly beam lit up your course so that you could sail behind the fisherman. I mean, what a beautiful way to put a Dante's like, well, how is it that you are being counted among the followers of Christ, weren't you? A pagan? And this is statius. Now talking to Virgil. And saying something downright shocking. He says, it was you. It was you directed me to drink parnassus waters. So so far, no problem. It was you Virgil who taught me the art of poetry. It was you whose radiance revealed the way to God. What? Virgil, the pagan lead statius, another pagan, to Christianity, but how is this even possible? How can someone who doesn't know the light of Christ lead another person to Christ? What's going on here? And you're statius. With one of the most memorable analogies now in the, again, in the entire purgatorio. This is station talking. You were the lonely traveler in the dark who holds his lamp behind him, shedding light, not for himself, but to make others wise. So here statius saying that you Virgil are sort of like a guide, but instead of holding you a lamp in front where you yourself can see the light, you're sort of holding it behind you. You can't see. But what you're doing is you're clearing the way for others behind you to be able to see further and go further than you ever could.
Who Is Hugh Capet?
"But the main figure that Dante talks to is a guy named Hugh capet. Now Hugh cafe is the founder in France of the capetian dynasty, the capetian dynasty of ruling of ruling princes. And let's go through the text a little bit. On earth beyond I was called Hugh cafe. He's talking to Dante. From me have sprung the Louise's and Phillips rulers of France up to the present day. So you got babe saying that out of his line comes this profusion of French royalty and kings and even in Dante's time, which remember the poem is dated in the year 1300. You have various Louis of France and Philip of France and these are the descendants of cafe. And then you start talking about some of the things that his descendants did. While my descendants kept their sense of shame, they, through the words little, did no harm. So apparently it takes a little bit of a dim view of his descendants, but he goes, listen, as long as they had a sense of shame, they didn't go too far. They may not have done any great deeds or any good stuff, but they didn't do a lot of bad stuff either. But then says Hugh cafe, things changed in Dante's own time. And we have some very striking and remarkable lines, very memorable. And he says, I see the fleur de lis enter alania. So what's the Florida Lee? The symbol of France, the flirted leave. So I see the Florida Lee, his own descendants, by the way, now ruling France enter alania, a town in Italy. So the French troops are invading Italy.
Dante Considered the Terrace of Sloth a Deadly Sin
"And we're now in an interesting terrace called a terrace of sloth. And sloth is kind of one of those 7 deadly Sims that we are like, why is it even on a deadly sim? I mean, what's the big deal about slaw? It doesn't slot, basically the kind of. Recline on your couch, have some popcorn, watch TV all day, be a little bit of a bum. What's wrong with that? I mean, that may not be the most admirable thing in the world, and maybe it's even a vice if you make a habit of it, but why is it one of the 7 deadly sins? Can you think of other things that are sort of more deadly? And Dante's view is that that's because you don't understand what sloth is and what it means. And we, as we go through with Dante, we find in the terrace of sloth, some examples of slot.
The Battle of Monteverdi explained
"And what I want to do in this segment is complete my discussion of the terrace of pride and in the next segment I want to talk about the terrorists the next terrace, which is the terrace of envy. Now these are very big and bad sins and part of the part of what we learned from Dante is why they are so bad. What is it that makes pride the deadliest of the deadly sins? What is it that makes envy so destructive and so corrosive? Now, in the terrace of pride, we've met a politician named umberto, as well as an artist named Odyssey, both in a sense being purged and cleansed of the sin of pride. And now we're going to meet a third man and this guy's name is salvani. Now province I'm sylvani. Was the great Victor at the battle of. If you remember back to canto 5 of the inferno, we met this imperious character. Florentine, named farinata, and what he did was he betrayed his own city, Florence, and he made allies with Siena. And together, the ghibellines of Florence and the sienese army invaded Florence defeated the guelphs. That was the battle of Monty parity in the late 13th century.
Reflecting on Dante's Purgatory and Sordello
"We're continuing our journey with Dante the pilgrim through purgatory and when I left off last time Dante and Virgil were accompanied by this guy named sordello. And what's interesting about this poet sordello, he's a mantuan, same place in Italy as Virgil, but he doesn't know who Virgil is. He's already been pleasantly surprised to find out that he is with a fellow mansion, and of course they both embrace. And what's interesting about sordello is that he's sort of hangs around with Dante and Virgil for about three cantos. And this is really very different in purgatory than we saw in inferno. And inferno, you are in your circle Dante interacts with someone and then he moves on. You don't have any of the sinners in hell basically saying, you know what, Dante, as you move along, I'll kind of hang with you guys. But that is what happens with this guy saw Delos. So purgatory is a very different. It's a more hopeful place. And it's a place where things are, you may say more in a sense, more human. Now, in as the scene develops with sordello, Dante actually can't hold back Virgil is Virgil. So Dante is sort of spills the beans and then Virgil himself says, I'm quoting now. I am Virgil, the reason I lost heaven was through no other fault than lack of faith. So Virgil is saying I'm with Dante, but I don't really belong here. I'm gonna have to go back to limbo with the other virtuous pagans. I didn't have faith that would that would have saved
Why It's Valuable to Reflect on Dante's Purgatory
"We'll continue our journey through Dante's purgatory. And by the way, I should mention that a few people have written me through my website and said in effect, well, dinesh, it's a little uncomfortable for us to be hearing all the stuff about purgatory because we don't really believe in purgatory and, you know, you seems like you do, or at least you're giving purgatory all this attention and what's the, where's the purgatory mentioned the Bible? What's the theological basis for purgatory? Isn't this isn't this some sort of a Catholic thing and as protestants, we don't really go along? Well, I'm actually going to talk about this question on Friday. I'm doing a special episode of the podcast. It's just Q&A. And for one of the questions, I'm going to take this very issue up. And I'm going to discuss it in a little bit more detail. Again, I do want to emphasize here that what we're doing is we're kind of going with Dante. And what I mean by going with Dante is we don't need to settle the question theologically of purgatory. We're doing what in reading can be called provisional suspension of belief. By the way, we do this all the time when we think of it. You go to a movie, it's a horror movie. And the premise of the movie is that no one is allowed to speak. Once that movie called honey is a silence. So the premise of silence is that if you say a word, aliens from outer space, alien monsters will appear and immediately eat you. And you might say, well, that's ridiculous. That's never gonna. That's not really true, but you know what? Go with it. Suspend your disbelief because that's the premise of the movie and within that premise a story unfolds. So if you don't really believe in purgatory, no problem, do exactly that. It kind of suspended belief in which you're allowing Dante to develop this idea because there's still a whole lot that you can learn about. And of course, the concepts that we're discussing here, which is self examination, atonement, a deeper understanding of the nature of sin, the sense that we need to be to rid ourselves of sin all of this is completely relevant, of course, to the Christian
Purgatory Is a Place of Change
"We're talking about Dante's purgatory, and I mentioned in the last segment that purgatory is transitional. While hell and heaven are eternal. And that means that purgatory is a place of change. What we see in purgatory is that souls are even under the pressure of punishment, they're improving themselves. It's a place of moral improvement. And so right away we see that punishment has a totally different purpose in purgatory than a dozen hell. Punishment in hell is nothing more than your due. You're getting not just what you deserve, but you're getting what you always wanted. But in purgatory punishment is a form of restoration. So punishment even though sometimes harsh is always beneficial, punishment is for your benefit. And in that sense, the souls in purgatory know that. And so you get this very positive feeling in purgatory, even on the part of suffering souls because a, they know their ultimate destination, which is onward and upward, and ultimately into heaven and B, they know that this kind of purgation that they're undergoing is good for them. It's actually necessary for
Ex-Cop Who Killed Daunte Wright Hit With 16 Months Behind Bars
"Remember Kim Potter, this is the policewoman who accidentally shot. Daunte Wright. And you might remember from the video the tragic scene, he has Dante Wright, he's trying to get away and Kim Potter is trying to restrain him. She goes for her taser. And we know this because she even shouts on the camera footage. I'll tase you taser taser and then boom. She fires a single round and then she realizes she got her gun instead and daunte Wright collapses and then Kim Potter bawling collapses herself on the curb. So this is, I mean, it's horrific. It's a certain kind of negligence. I mean, you have to be trained to tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But at the same time, this was unquestionably an accident. And an accident by definition is not a crime, but nevertheless, Dante Wright being black. I think if he had been white a whole different story, but since he was black, suddenly it became, you got to prosecute or you got to charge her and sure enough she's charged with first degree manslaughter, which is a crime. And the jury in a kind of charged political environment goes ahead and finds her guilty. Both actually are for us to agree on second degree. Manslaughter and now Kim Potter comes up before a judge chew. This is Regina Chu for sentencing. And something really kind of remarkable happens. The prosecution is going for a 7 year sentence. In prison. Wow. 7 years sentence for an accidental shooting. And daunte Wright's family is, you know, piling on, they're like, yo, she should get the maximum sentence. She's not remorseful. And so they were there talking about how it was the worst day of their life, and of course I understand their loss. And Kim Potter does, because at the sentencing Kim Potter breaks down and she says to she says to daunte Wright, she says that the family of daunte Wright, I'm so sorry. I brought the death of your son, father, brother, uncle grandson, nephew, and then she says to the mom, Katie, I understand her mother's love. I'm sorry I broke your heart, my heart is broken for all of you. And this was so moving in the courtroom that the judge began to cry. This is judge Regina Chu and the judge basically says, come on, quote she never intended to hurt anyone, her conduct cries out for a sentence. Significantly below the guidelines. And so what does Kim Potter get? 16 months. And she's quite likely to be out in half of that.
Moore leads No. 10 Villanova to 74-66 win over Georgetown
"Justin Moore delivered fifteen of his nineteen points in the second half as tenth ranked Villanova earned its fifth straight win seventy four sixty six against Georgetown Brandon Slater had eleven points for the Wildcats who led by just three before going on a ten Forsberg late in the second half Villanova moved to twenty one and six overall fourteen at three in the big east the one of the leading scorer Collin Gillespie had just nine points after averaging sixteen point eight this season the holiest of drop sixteen in a row and R. O. one fifteen in the conference Donald Carey dropped in twenty four points and Dante Harris had sixteen for Georgetown I'm the ferry
Daunte Wright's Parents Should Take Responsibility for His Upbringing
"Wright's parents were angered His father calling a slap on the wrist prosecutors had asked you to get powder a 7 year sentence While Wright's parents Should take some responsibility For the upbringing of their son who turned out to be quite the criminal at a very very young age They're lashing out at the cop I understand but Dante Wright would never have been in such a situation if he wasn't a criminal If he hadn't skipped bail if there wasn't an arrest warrant or bench warrant issued by a judge to find him and drag him back And if he hadn't used his gun to rob a friend a female friend of the rent that she had received if the she had allowed him and his friend to stay at her Apartment I guess for a night And that female friend testified how he put a gun to her head Or threatened her with his gun And that's not all Dante Wright had done in his short life Where he was playing with death playing with fire if you will for years And then this terrible accident occurred which we all saw
Kim Potter Sentenced to 2 Years for Accidentally Killing Daunte Wright
"And so Potter was sentenced today to two years in prison For the death of Dante Wright she thought she was firing her taser Now why is that The 26 year Brooklyn center police veteran as the New York Post notes was convicted of manslaughter in December for the fatal shooting which took place after tried to flee a traffic stop Video from the scene showed Potter shout that she was going for her taser though she'd mistakenly pulled her pistol She fired a single shot before realizing her mistake Now judge Regina Chu said during sentencing this is one of the saddest cases I've had on my 20 years on the bench This is a cop who made a tragic mistake She'll be available or eligible for supervised released after 16 months in prison
"dante " Discussed on The Photographer's Journey
"Keep shooting shooting shooting shooting You don't have to narrow it down to a certain genre or anything like that but keep shooting and pay attention to what you are shooting in. What i mean. I pay attention to is a sort of Pick something that you really enjoy shooting in fine tune that end and show people that through your personal work. Let them know. Hey i like shooting cars and cats and dogs. But i really like shooting Products or food or whatever. It may be you know. Make sure that you have a solid body of work that shows that because when clients they when they reach out like so if they say. This is I don't know like let's say adidas for example you know it's sports if you shoot like a lot of family portrait and things like that that's awesome but if you think that like hey i want to work. I want to do work like adidas work. You know You have to look at what they put out there. It doesn't mean that you have to shoot exactly what they put out there but it's typically some sort of like sports something you know so you wanna make sure that you have a portfolio that the sort of show. You're capable of doing that because they're going to get a list of photographers at their interest in working with typically. I don't know three four five different people that they're going to choose from and they wanna make sure that like whoever's on that list can can actually pull off what they're trying to you know what they're trying to portray in in that particular campaign out a lot of photographers that are like. I think that my work is awesome. But i'm never getting calls from whatever client that they want to work with and i'm like well you're shooting this type of stuff and they do this type of stuff you know you wanna make sure that you're like you have something air portfolio that shows that you can do that type of stuff and do the research on the photographers that they that they work within. And just make sure that you're you know you're constantly shooting stuff. The constantly shooting type of stuff that you want people to reach out and call you for like if you if you shoe if you wanna shoot weddings and you've never shot anything. That looks like a wedding then. People probably off their wedding exact. Let's let's see that's good advice. That's device working people. Find it if they wanna get in touch with you online man. Dante marsha dot com It's dante marceau dot com dante marsh. Show on instagram. Dante marshall on twitter. Dante martial law that i would say star by dante marshall dot com.
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"The world on ideas. You've been listening to parody sell the third and final program in our series on the divine comedy dante poet of the impossible to mark the seven hundredth anniversary of dante's death in september thirteen. Twenty one in ravenna..
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"So capital one. We seem to be enveloped in a cloud as brilliant hard and polished as a diamond struck by a ray of sunlight that eternal celestial pearl took us into itself receiving us as water takes its light. It's indivisibility intact dante scholar. John dante you start of course from the earthly paradise which is on earth at the top of a mountain and you begin to move upwards. Says he doesn't know whether he's in body or not but the singers that since he's gotten rid of the weight of sin he's his natural tendency is to move upwards and so is in fact sort of drawn up almost weightless and you seem to be moving through the various spheres of the planet up into the stores and then into the premium mobile which is the djelic intelligences. You seem always through that to be moving. Towards a point which is god seven planets which includes the sun revolving his fears around the fixed point that is earth the premium mobile at the edge of space. And finally the imperium which happens. This is a ptolemaic universe and traveling through is not for the faint of heart as dante warns his readers right at the outset. Dante scholar rachel jaycox. The first address to the reader in parodies is quite in my view. Unique where he says perhaps reader. You're up.
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"But that he'll try and how that doubling of himself the way dante made himself the hero of his own poem was as breathtaking as it was unprecedented and it helped secure the exalted status that the divine comedy has even now and what makes it particularly interesting in the case of florence is the way. The city remembers dante a poet that the city itself banished from its very gates. This series donate poet of the impossible was first broadcast in the year. Two thousand and is produced by greg. Kelly here in the piazza santa croce where there is never ending construction and reconstruction of florence going on with a couple of kids playing soccer game of soccer. You can see a monument of dante. Just outside of the church of santa croce ed which says at dante allegation d'italia to dontrelle gerry italy. The statue itself must be about fifty feet after ground dante on a pedestal surrounded by four lions each holding a shield on the shield is a wreath of course. The poets wreath. That retha on dante's had as he clutches his cape with his left hand draping the cape across his body looking out onto the piazza. Dante stands almost in judgment of the city. In fact dante did judge florence harshly along with other cities and governments in italy along with the church. And its ecclesiastical governance part of the reason he wrote the penalties oh was to map out a just society as it is in heaven writing book one book two and finally book three of the divine comedy on the move throughout his long years of exile. Dante must have had enough experience of life on earth to make him a philosopher of the body politic. But i have to be truthful here. He didn't look like the idealized statute him on that monument in the piazza desanta croce dante scholar. John for charity. We know for example that he well. He walked with the stoop. He had a large knows as a famous renaissance edition of the poem. That's called the big nose addition after the frontispiece which makes them look like the radiator ornament in one of those nineteen forties fifties cars. But where he went in twenty years while he was writing the divine comedy. Be interesting to be able to trace his itinerary but we had it's amazing that's the period of his life about which we know almost nothing we know. He wound up of course in ravenna and the north of italy. Because that's where he died. He must have visited verona. We know he gave a lecture in verona close to the end of his life on a question of aristotelian physics of all things and there have been the most Wild hypotheses about Where he traveled because the the poem is an extraordinary travelogue. Among many other things there are metaphors and similarly is drawn from the south of france drawn. From what we came to call the dalmatian coast modern yugoslavia. Certainly all over the north of italy. The alps Sicily and on and on at anywh there are few odds and ends but the essential dante the the heart of the matter the kind of thing that we would expect from true confections in the nineteenth and twentieth century. Those things elude us dante's poem is a confession at least in the sense that saint augustine gave to that word. But it's a confession. I might say with a kind of theological. Objectivity dante has a line in the penalty. So where he says. All things have order among themselves and this is what makes the universe like god. That's the big picture and so much for our modern need to track dante's every move thought and individual emotion but it seems we're not the only ones with that need because he made himself the hero of all three books of the divine comedy inferno purgatorio and penedes. Oh dante's own world had trouble. Distinguishing between objective. Truth and fictional concede. While he was traveling around he was being observed sometimes with a liberalism that this master of allegory would have found surprising dante. Scholar milk nucci. The story is probably apocryphal. But it does give you a sense of what was probably happening with this poem. Dante is in verona. He's walking down the street and the two women standing in a doorway and one of them says the other. You see that man there. And that's dante gerry and the other says you must be right because The you know he goes down into hell every day and you can tell that he does that because his beard is very dark complexion dark and that's because he goes into hell every day and apparently dante heard this and he just smiled. It seems to me that What really holds. The divine comedy together is not so much a pilgrimage by a man who happens to be called dante through the three realms of the afterlife but historically a story that he brings into the poem. It's not so much dante's life it's it's a story that he wants to tell about his life. it's a love story his love for beatrice. It's a political story centered on exile and he is becoming a poet. The theme of exile. Which is so essential to the comedy is never resolved on the historical plane. But it's resolved on the spiritual or analogical plane that is dante returns that the true homeland. Which is the celestial jerusalem. Which is god. The imperium dante celebrates that return at the end of the buddies. But getting there is half the fun or maybe even all of it. When we last saw dante at the end of the purgatory he'd been purified of sin in the holy rivers at the top of mount purgatory. Now he's ready to ascend into the stars petty.
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"But it nearly didn't happen. Don't they had been exiled from his native florence back. When the city was a powerful city state and when exile was virtual death sentence dante scholar just matilda time of exile. He had been marked by suspicion of a shameful crime. Shameful crime that he may have been engaging in who knows embezzlement of public funds or maybe he had been selling his political clout so he is a finished man. He has no place to go. He has no maps or supplies. He's one hundred miles from any decent place diesel town. He knows nothing about his family and his children. He's an italian father after all. He has no way of letting them know of where he is. And i'm sure would. This is also the time when the despair was such. And i'm psychology now but i think i'm on the right track when he must have come close to committing suicide. His despair is boundless. Dante's enemies wanted him to disappear from history but in making himself the central character of the divine comedy dante secured an exalted place in literary history. In fact the first two books that make up the komeda inferno and put tokyo had been read out loud in taverns castles and religious institutions all over medieval italy so by thirteen sixteen when he was writing the third and final book at a diesel. He was already something of a celebrity literary critic. Harold bloom dante is the man whom they pointed to in the streets with great. Aw because the poem circulated enormously immediately was overwhelmingly admired and frightened people and people would point to them the street with all because they would say there is the man who has quite literally gone down into the inferno or who has been through the purgatory o- or who has ascended to the parodi. So these are his own inventions. Dante is convinced that while the word of god is certainly there in the hebrew bible and the greek new testament that nevertheless in effect he is writing a third testament. Dante scholar robert hollander. Almost everybody who could get hold of a copy was reading it and this includes members of religious orders. The franciscans forbade the young franciscans to read it which implies it was all right for the older ones all of a sudden. Everybody has to read this book and everybody means everybody. But here's a book that really is meant for everyone. I don't know when memorization on the part of illiterate people began but fairly early on their stories of peasants reciting dante the way their stories about homer being recited by those who couldn't read and i have met him and he is indeed recited for me. He is literate. Himself is a poet but he's a farmer and he memorized the commander all of it working out in the fields and can recite the whole thing. Dante died at fifty six. He wanted very much to live to what he called the perfect age of eighty one nine hs because he was convinced that his prophecies both secular and religious would be fulfilled. There is a poetic will or drive an acura which is an assertion towards the will to live.
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"Of the parabola of what might call family decadents and i think that both would find that shona in this family background. You're here. we are at the summit on. There's the church of san mateo poet dante allegany to for ninety using denied his nickname of beechy young. Bt you've stopped so much down your gorge that you're reduced to stealing from others and already people who carry purses keep clear of him who draws near saying scarface. There is obviously a known thief. Tanti started it with this sonnet lampooning. His friends apparent gluttony and thievery. But fraser do not. He was quick to fire back a sonnet of his own implicating dante in his father's shady reputation as a money lender. I know you're gary's and all right. I can tell that by the fine clean vengeance. You took on his behalf for the money exchange the other day. You needn't have been in such a hurry to make peace but then you fill your sex so full that to pack. Horses couldn't carry it off. You'd hardly recognized the elegant poet of love. This exchange dante's accused by days of cowardice and of being so scared that he defecated in his trousers to the point where two horses couldn't carry him and the phone doesn't stop there. Dante scholar inoki energy in the twelve ninety s. There's this ten sony or this exchange of sonnets between foot as they and dante. These homes are very offensive and the language is often obscene..
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"All the rest of the songs that dante. Here's in the put. Guitar area are sacred songs. The only one that is not a sacred song is the one that kazan lessons. And that's why. The souls dante and virgil are rebuked for listening to gazelle asong because it is beautiful. It's enthralling but it stops them. It prevents their movement. Then the emf edna each center is static he or she is placed according to the most representative seeing the sin that the fine their their life and ascend from which they never detached themselves so unlike the emphatic which is static. The poodle guitar hero has movement and it's a journey as long as the sole move. They are in harmony with the will of god. There you have in one scene. The second candle out of thirty three a kind of overture to the defining themes of the entire purgatorio love poetry journey and the necessity to make time count the reformation of the soul. But take a step back from the scene. And you'll realize brilliant and shocking. It is in the inferno. Dante conscripted virgil a pagan poet as his guide. In this christian epic and purgatory. Oh he enlists kato yet. Another pagan poet and this time dante goes further..
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"Dante has been inhale since good friday. When he and virgil finally reached its nadir when they finally encounter seething with his three sets of featherless wings and three heads with his three miles dripping blood red saliva as he chews on the bodies of three centers screaming and agony. Satan is crying. It's nearly easter sunday. Now virgil tells dante. There's nothing left to see and it's time to go along.
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"He was born in impoverished nobility family florentine family but not clearly was was something of project from the very start. I mean Admiring biographers dumped has ever had a cacho giovanni bokhara join book begins with the account of the dream that dentists mother at childbirth and the dream was the son of hers would become a great poet kind of peacock. That's the kind of image that he had. But it's more than the splendor that is implied emerge. I think that the account of the dream house or something about them with tells us about dante.
"dante " Discussed on Ideas
"This is a cbc podcast. I'm nola i add. Welcome to ideas. This year marks the seven hundred th anniversary of the death of one of the world's greatest poets dante allegany. Dante was many things a soldier. A diplomat politician and one of the greatest poets of all time who of course gave the world the divine comedy. It is a magnificent poem and everyone who touched it from the very beginning realized they hadn't seen anything like fish and it's just it's one of the most amazing stories that we have in the history of literature and eventually it's not explicable. How he ever got the idea to do this with me to help. Explain at least a little about how dante got. The idea is the executive producer of ideas. Greg kelly who did a series on the divine comedy for us. Hi greg did this series back my gosh the year two thousand and the producer ideas maryland powell. We decided we would go for that year because it was a jubilee year. When the faithful catholic faithful congregate in rome and that coincided with thirteen hundred the year in which the divine comedy is set which was the first jubilee year when pilgrims also congregated rome in. That was the thank you behind it coinciding with that year. So there's the coincidence with the date but what is it that actually made you want to do a series on the divine comedy itself. Well as that first voice we heard. That's discolored robert. Hollander alludes to. I just can't believe that this thing comes out of somebody's head. It's astonishing to me even now. Dante was really quite accomplished for his time. But without the divine comedy. I think he would be forgotten to history to literary history specially so this act of imagining hell purgatory and paradise. These are the three books or canticles. That of course make up the divine comedy. Dante called it by the way his media his committee which doesn't mean comedy ha ha. It just means a story or in this case in epic which ends well and and what story can end better Except for one that ends in paradise. And that's probably quite fitting now that i think of it because dante himself just prior to the time of writing it was in a kind of hell i mean. He was a civic politician in florence. Which back then was a city statement of financial capital and he he was prior. What's called a prior kind of combination between an alderman and a senator and dante's day politics and tuscany. I mean it was bloody was hopelessly complicated. And and and dangerous and dante at one point in thirteen to falls afoul all of this stuff while he was on an ambassadorial mission to rome and pope boniface the eighth and his allies in florence. Exile dante back. Then it was almost. It was kind of a death sentence. It was the loss of property loss of your social standing. There was no income. No contact with your family. If dont'a ever tried to reenter florence it was punishable upon death. I think a burning at the stake. So it's humiliating and it was impoverishing and potentially lethal and yet the thing now that that is just so astonishing about dante's that he turned this despair into the divine comedy which is so sophisticated and so magisterial and just unbelievably audacious. We're now used to this idea of the literature of exile literature. Displacement donte was there seven hundred years ago but the most audacious thing is that dante made himself the central character in his own epic. This kind of self referential who was was unprecedented and it's deliciously complex. Because you have dante the writer and daunted character. Dante made his bet with history and he won greg. This particular episode is on the inferno the first part of the divine comedy and i have to admit that when i think of hell does not much to the kind of recommends it. It's not a place that i'd like to spend much time in or on what makes dante's hell so enduring and so appealing. I think it's the same thing that makes all three of the parts that comprise the divine comedy irresistible whether it's hell or purgatory or or paradiso. It's full of surprises it's layered. It's complex when dante made himself the central character and of course he was guided by the roman poet virgil into the underworld modeling. The divine comedy after the aeneid where there's descent into the underworld. I'll just recount one little scene for you. That i didn't have the room to really zoom in on in the documentary. And it's just before the two of them get into hell proper where dante. There's the character dante. He sees the greatest writers from antiquity offered. Lucan horace and homer and with virgil. These are the five pillars of civilization as dante sought. Then dante writes that they were talking among themselves and look around and they spot dante the character and they greet him with friendly gestures. And i'm thinking well wait a minute. Why why are they doing that. Just imagined this a film. Dante didn't do anything and here. Are these great people. They look around. And somehow they just recognize what greatness. That's implicit dante. Just by standing there and then dante continues. They made me one among them. And the five became six with daunting now included as a bonafide member of this group. And i just have to pause there with dante saying that between antiquity and his own day there is nobody except me except dante. Those five in me. I mean it's just it's just breathtaking the ego at an this poetic sleight of hand where dante the writer is conferring authority onto dante. The character it therefore comes back to dante. The writer again. Like why should i read. Why should i listen to this poem in. its claim. well he. He solves this problem of of authority or as literary critic and scholar. Harold bloom has in this series the way he would have it. Dante creates authority for himself by redefining and refining. The meaning of that word itself authority means founder and authority or author as we say now is an originated is a founder. It means going back to the foundation and dante is refounding western poetry. He is doing what no one before him had been able to do. He is taking their vernacular and writing in the vernacular and by choosing his own vernacular the floor and sign. He makes tuscan dialect which sends has become normative italian. He is redefining the identity of poets and person in a way that had never existed in classical literature not even in latin.
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"There was the grave cave which is from a poem by sylvia. Plath you know people who were not or works that had not been written in dante's time by long stretch and that you know it helped tremendously like make us come to life and make it speak to me as a contemporary reader but then the sinners are left untouched. So sinning pope for instance. From dante's time you didn't replace him with some you know. Contemporary bishop who covered up decades of sexual abuse to just give one example Or or you know like a greedy merchants. from dante's time is not replaced with one of our own greedy ceo's as arms wondering were you tempted to go all the way. Well i thought about it. But then i thought about how quickly we forget people so you know when i was working on inferno in the beginning it was during the bush years the second bush And there many people that i would have liked to put in there. But i realized that in ten years. Their names wouldn't even recognizable by young people and that they were really minor bit players on the stage of today and that is probably true of the people that dante was putting on stage as well but we have notes for those and they've lived for all these years and so. I decided not to do that. But the reason i brought in contemporary poets and contemporary songwriters was because dante himself incorporates. All of the writers that meant something to him and this was very much a medieval way of composing to quote offered as a way to one establish lineage. But also to keep those works alive and so in some ways they were kind of quilts all of these other works. And then you would revise them for yourself or add something so you know in virgil aeneas goes to hell and now dante's going to hell himself but virgils with him and so there's this perfect kind of correlation between virgils work and dante's work that dante's playing with right because reader at that point would know those things and the fact is that we don't know those things anymore because we no longer for the most part most of us don't read virgil so i felt that one way to make it. Contemporary was to extend those poets. Who were dante writing. Today he might have also put in there. So shakespeare milton All the way to gertrude. Stein and yes. Sylvia plath you know this is a translation for today..
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"I do think that. I know something about what he's doing as a poet and so in the end i fall back on that. What is the palm need here. And what would he have wanted the poem to be doing here. What what evidence. Can i find in the original poem that this is what he's trying to get across. It's so interesting. What you say right now because i was thinking back to something teacher of translation of mine one said She said you know the goal would. A translation is to give a reader of the translation. Inexperienced that is as close as possible to the one a reader of the original may have had and that sound. i mean. I didn't question it too much i have to say at the time But but i feel like it starts to make less sense when the text that you're trying to translate is like the one you did seven centuries old as you say. Yeah you can try to imagine. What would dante have wanted. What would he have felt. What was he trying to do as a poet. I'm a poet. He was a poet. Okay up to that point. You can get in his skin his shoes but his entire worldview his expectation of what was normal in terms of violence and punishment. And i mean this was a time when people were publicly hanged and quartered and and stuffed in a barrel hammered through nails and then roll down a hill that was like normal punishment and him when he was exiled is on pain of being burned the stick if he comes back literally and he had seen people punished in these ways and burned so he has that vision in his head. But i think that also we come back around full circle to that idea that people generally have a lot of similarities in terms of experience of being alive in the world and the experience of anger of rage of greed of envy. So i think that yes I can't possibly know what it is to be medieval to be a medieval catholic to be italian to be a man to have been eggs out from florence under false pretenses for political purposes. But we also know because he wrote letters. We have those he wrote essays. He wrote other poems. And we have peoples reports who were either alive at the same time or shortly after and we are told that he was very smart very articulate and that was one of the reasons he was probably exiled is that he could be very convincing so his political enemies. You wouldn't want someone like that to have a platform and he also was very sarcastic. And that's part of the humor in these works so you you can get a sense of a person of fully formed person who's timeless in those properties in those elements that make up a kind of Personality young yeah. Yeah i mean there was one other thing that i wanted to ask you about when it comes to transposing this early fourteenth century texts to our current day throughout you bring in images and references from our contemporary world. It like here. We have the stairway to heaven. You know the the led zeppelin song In the previous excerpt that you read there was dr. Jekyll and mr hyde..
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"And it's just it's really moving and beautiful. Yeah yeah. I agree and that change in possibility. Hit me very viscerally. Because in hell course it's internal eternal damnation and there's no hope that you will be saved And the grime is forever. And the suits forever and sulphurous cloud is forever. And then dante exits. Hell turns through middle earth Somehow and then enters purgatorio Just to contrast those two. I was wondering if you can read the beginning of purgatorio canto one And maybe you can just read until veiling that fish. That formed her entourage. Okay heading over waters getting better all the time. My mind's little skiff now lifted sales letting go of the oh so bitter see behind it. The next realm the second all-seeing is here where the human spirit gets purified and made fit for the stairway to heaven. Here's where the kiss of life restores the reign of poetry. Oh trueblue muses i'm yours. And where calliope he jumps up just long enough to sing back up with the same bold notes that knocked the poor magpie girls into knowing their audacity would never be pardoned the fluid blue of the eastern sapphire pooling in the cloudless mid sky clear down to the first curved horizon line wasn't even more delightful sate having left behind the sad making dead air. That had so messed with my chest and is the gorgeous planet that says yes to love was turning the east into a total glitter-fest veiling the fish that formed her entourage. Thank you yeah. I was just curious. How much time did you spend translating. Infernal i think it was seven years and i think that it was eight on purgatorio but in each case i took a two year hiatus so you have to subtract the two years for the total of time. I actually worked on it right. It's still an enormous block of time to be spending in such a dark place. Such a hopeless place and okay. There's a lot of humor in there and a lot of opportunity for play but it is bleak nonetheless and so i was wondering what it was like for you emotionally to enter this entirely new register and to have hope again. That's a really interesting question. I think that there's pleasure in the translation wherever i am with. Dante is like working giant crossword puzzle. Because you're always looking for this right word and sometimes you think you've found it you know and you plug it in and then things kind of build from there but then you get this idea. Oh no i see. There's a better fit for that. And then when you change that everything around that falls into place. So the intellectual game of translation. I think is so absorbing that it creates sense of remove but at the same time i certainly feel those feelings and want to find language that will properly express the feelings and so i think i move back and forth like toddling back and forth between this mind. That is Attuned to language as language and then taking myself becoming a person in that same scene. So of course. There's a an ego centrism about that in terms of imagining. I know how dante feels but at the same time..
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"You're right it is remarkable and immediately put you on the spot as a reader. You know like you will meet yourself. And i think that dante puts himself in different situations to and has virgil Scold him as a demonstration that he too is not above error and especially. I love the kanto with the counterfeiters. He is washing them while they're bickering. And it's almost as if we're watching reality. Tv with these people you know family members of friends biting each other and finally virgil says. You know in about five more minutes. I'm going to be really cross with you. This is unseemly to watch and suddenly a dante realizes what he's been doing and again we see ourselves in that where we too are listening in on conversations and in a in a way that doesn't further our identification with goodness totally which is interesting. Actually because inferno is the cantor coil that has been translated over and over and over again and has been made into movies and songs and plays video games and all the rest but then the interest usually drops off steeply after hell right like when we get to actual part where we can see people. Bettering themselves purgatorio i. It seems like people are less interested that we want to see the gore. We want to see the fighting and the violence of divine judgment in a way So yeah so it's it's again. It's done days giving us all a terrific cell phone in the funny thing about people being content to read inferno and got not going. Further is purgatory. Oh is just as interesting and there's so much beauty someone asked me the other day Was i missing. Something with inferno. Did i not noticed duty or is there really a big difference and i said well think about it. Hell is just rock and rock and a hard place and it's veiled in this me as mc grimy air and we were really concentrated only on the punishments and the people enduring them so when we get to purgatory. Oh there's a landscape and you can see it and donte uses it as plot points. So for instance virgil emerges hands in the grass in order to wet them with the do in order to then wipe the grime of dante's face so that he can go forward where he's going to meet the angels who act as greeters at the door to each level and so we have these tender moments of the do in the grass and washing of the fees and watching the shoreline fluttering..
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"Wished to die but cannot they're blind. lives are so empty so without reprieve. They envy the nothing that an ending would be. They're not meant to be remembered. Mercy turns her back justice disdains them. They're not worth our attention. Look and then let's go. I caught sight of a banner flitting about so restlessly and moving forward so fast. It seemed unable to take a stand. It was followed by a sad an endless train of people racing. After never had i dreamed death had so many sycophants i saw some i recognised and then the ghost of one who stood down when faced with doing good and chose instead to be a coward. I knew incontestably the scourge. These despicable cowards were the enemies of both jekyll and hyde. they'd never lived and now would never die naked as the day. They were born. Bitter wasps and hornets covered them. Blood trickled between their tears. This sorry sticky mixture dripped from their chins to their feet and into the mouth of maggots. Farther on beyond these. I saw a crowd gathered on the bank of a wide river. I asked my guide. Could you please tell me who these are. And why they're waiting with such eagerness to board the boat. I can barely make out in the distance. He told me hush it will all be clear when we reach the bank of the miserable river akron. I was afraid. I'd noticed him by asking. So i stared at my feet and stayed quiet until we reach the river. Then out of nowhere there was an old man with white hair coming toward us in a boat growling. Give it up. Use skunk calls. You'll never see the sky again like red rover. I'm taking over to the other side. We eat and drink perpetual darkness. Those terrific was so good. I'm really happy again. You know because this is what sees me. When i was reading your translation. You know that you you can hear these people. It's almost more like a play. Where one character. After another comes on the scene and disappears again you know you can see the wild madness in this guys is almost as he speaks and there were also these incredible images. I mean this storm of cries. You know where everyone is like calling out for their mom or these people like running after The the person that would take them over to decide. You know to to death where these people can die Yeah never had a dream. Death had so many sycophants. i mean. it's such a great image well Am what these people are running after. Is this banner which refuses to take a stand. So it's moving this way and that way as they did. So what's interesting about this kind of the foyer of hell. These people don't go on the boat and get assigned to one of the circles where there those designated punishments. They stay here forever running after this banner because they had the opportunity to stand up for right and they didn't do it and so they're cowardice is their only flaw but that cowardice means that they didn't sin in the way that the others would and so the others as dundee says would gloat. We're really bad you're not that bad Which is very funny. There's so much humor in all of dante of but the fact is that he's really. I think asking us to not exempt ourselves from this group of people in hell because it's easy to say well i didn't kill anyone. I didn't do this. I didn't do that but who among us hasn't had an opportunity to stand up for right and we couldn't bring ourselves to do it so i think he's making this special category for all of us to see ourselves and to realize the repercussions of that..
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"You're going to have to go way further in. But i'm gonna be by your side and i'm going to take you and show you all of these things that happen if somebody doesn't get their life straightened out so it's a story for the ages. It's a story for all time. I was wondering if you can read a little bit. We could start with canto three It starts on page thirty. Three and dante and virgil have just arrived at the gates of hell and above those gates. There's an inscription and he goes welcome to the city of whoa welcome to everlasting sadness. Welcome to the grave cave that if you do things and then the description continues you who have no hope enter hear these words insert and all in caps as if by a hurried hand were scrawled on the stone overhead above creaking door. Sir i said this is harsh. He spoke like an expert nephew to a drunkard uncle. Now you need to leave behind your fear now you need to kill your cowardice. We're where i said we'd come to the place where you'd see the wretched dead who've lost the aid of their intellect. He touched my hand. As if to tell me all would be all right then. We crossed over from where we'd been into the inner sanctum that houses hidden things. The starless air was echoing with countless size. Horrific cries extended loud laments. I was in tears as i listened. The angry accents. The strident utterances the striking hands the near deafening chorus of a million dolls. Dark inner voices. Crying mama mama. Mama veered off walls and swirled around around like sand in a storm becomes one with the wind that carries it and i circled by horrors. Said sir what am i hearing. Who are these people. So overcome by grief he said this is the inheritance of the contemptible who did nothing wrong but nothing right. They blend together with that band. Vile angels who didn't rebel but who also didn't stand with god but only for themselves in selfishness to preserve its beauty. heaven threw them out deepest. Hell doesn't want them. Since the truly wicked would be able to gloat. We're worse were truly depraved. I asked what torments them. Why do they cry so loud. And so unremittingly he answered. I'll tell you quickly. They.
"dante " Discussed on Poetry Off The Shelf
"You're just like you know. I'm going to spend my life on this and there's no rush because that makes it just so feasible in a sense right. Yeah had you had any kind of education in translation. I had taken to workshops when i was an mfa student at columbia in the early nineties and one of them was with. william weaver. Who is a translator was a translator. He too has passed and he did something very interesting. On the first day of class he brought in three different translations of don quixote and they had been done hundreds of years apart and he showed he demonstrated how language keeps bringing the translation into the president and that was exactly what. I had been puzzled that nobody had done that with dante. So i think having that scaffolding in terms of having seen that done before and having a translator like william weaver proposed that as the ideal form of translation gave me the bravado to do the same thing with the dante yes absolutely like you got permission from someone who who could give it basically exactly yeah and that is really something that struck me about your translation and how it's so different from all the others that i've read of course i haven't read complete other translations but you know i've gone online of gone to the library i've just in preparing this interview. I thought it would be fun to see exactly how your approach is different. And the thing that struck me most was each character has their own voice. Virgil is really throughout. The whole piece is sounding like the com- you know wise teacher Even when he's in hell and seeing the most blood-curdling violence whereas dante you know our poet and narrator is like the opposite he's emotional. He's terrified one moment in awe. The next you know full of pity for one sinner and then full of glee for another. And what i wanted to know from you is. Why did you decide to differentiate these choices. Well i think they are differentiated. And i think that translation mutes that i think that in the original you must hear these types of people. They're like us in many ways. And yes we We sometimes delayed when somebody gets their just punishment when they've been really awful And other people we think well yes they did that but on the other hand they're only human and you have compassion for them so i think dante he's brilliant. Psychologically he knows how people talk and how speaking reveals who we are so in inferno for instance you have fair nata the now dead general i think military man and he's very arrogant and you know how arrogant people sound. They have an edge to their voice. And i think that when you over concentrate on substituting one word for another you miss those opportunities to bring the poem to life. And i think the poem it rests on mini pillars as you said it rests on catholic theology it rests on greek and roman myth and on tuscan politics but it also rests on human nature. And that's the the the really crux of it. And i think that i want people to see that. This is a great read. And it's about a man who's having this breakdown and is actually you find out once. You re purgatory. Oh he's thinking about suicide. he sees no way out. That's how he's lost the right path and when he finds this guy in the roman poet virgil virgile says in order to get out of this state..