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The Encino Murders, Part 1 | 1

Felonious Florida

38:42 min | 2 years ago

The Encino Murders, Part 1 | 1

"There's a woman standing at a podium in a Florida courtroom across from the man who has haunted her thoughts for years. The left side of Camille Hamilton's face still shows the signs of our bullet entered near her cheek during a two thousand nine home invasion. Her eyesight and hearing will never be normal. Camille had barely survived the shooting, but others had not. Her teenage daughter died. So did her friend. And so did her friends teenage son. Now she's facing Kevin. Pratt, the man accused of the vicious attack. For nearly six years. This is the day. Camille has waited for. But it isn't going as planned. Instead of being sentenced to death, Kevin accepts an incredible offer ten years in prison. If he pleads guilty to the crimes. It's a stunning punishment for a man charged with murdering three people in cold blood. Camille is given one last chance to speak. She shouts at him demanding an apology. Team. Making. Kevin sitting in his striped jail. Uniform has a few words of his own for Camille. I didn't do it ma'am. Moments later, he's taken away to prison. And that's how the story ends with no Justice for anybody. How did it arrive? It's a perplexing conclusion. To find out our investigative reporter would have to go back to where it started to that August two thousand nine day when police found Camille on the front porch of Florida home hours after she had been shot. You're probably listening to felonious Florida because you're addicted to true crime stories. So am I? So you need to check out the weather channel's newest TV series called storm of suspicion. When it premieres on Sunday, October, seventh, it's unlike anything you've seen on the Weather Channel. Storm of suspicion has everything you love about your favorite true crime shows and documentaries. There's deceipt murder, mystery piecing together the clues, but it has a clever twist done in a way. Only the Weather Channel can possibly do a storm. A hurricane, in fact, did hurricane Harvey help solve a murder and how did a rain puddle ultimately lead to a murder conviction? Watch to see how weather can help suspects stay under the radar and also lead to their downfalls. Dr Elizabeth Austin, a world renowned for runs meteorologist will have you looking at crimes in a whole new way. She shows you how investigators can use mother nature to solve some of the most difficult cases. Storm of suspicion will be presented with limited commercial interruptions. Don't miss the series premiere on October seventh at eight eastern seven central on the Weather Channel. From the south Florida Sun-Sentinel association with one day. Welcome to season two of Florida's Florida. The podcast that leads you into the dark side of the sunshine state. I'm your host emma-kate Austin along with investigative reporter, Steven hops, and this is part one of the insane murders. The call tonight on one comes in a little before three PM. It's August seventeenth. Two thousand nine. A man on the phone tells the operator. His friend is on another line. She's been shot in the face when he first got the call from Camille Hamilton. He thought she was joking. The tour from Jamaica but had met in the United States couple years earlier through another mutual friend, they clicked and they spoke on the phone often using Jamaican patois, Camille like to shop and their phone conversations often centered around clothes and fashion the night before the nine one one call to its spoken briefly by phone. But there was a lot of noise in the background and Camille was busy. The frontal Camille to call him back when she was free. But she never did until Monday afternoon. Now holding a cell phone with Camille call in one hand and a second phone with the nine one one call in the other. The man urgently tries to relay information between the calls. Camille can barely speak. She sounds a week and is incoherent, and there are long pauses between her responses. My colleague, investigative reporter, Steven Hobbes describes the call his name one. So frustrating. So listen to because there's a woman who's been shot on the face and just how difficult it is for officers get the information. They need to find her. What is your emergency now, Camille, there's no rec- is she doesn't know the address of the home where she's at, neither does the guy the phone, but he knows that Camille is at her friend's house. Her name is faith guys been there maybe once or twice before, and he knows it's in the city of Miramar. Listen informed. A friend of mine on the phone. She sees incoherent implant, your friend. See, you know. What is the emergency. Okay. What what is going on with her. She was what. She was shot in the face. Okay. Okay. How did you don't know the address that I'll do, you know the side streets. So we jumps on Google maps scanning through areas in the city that he remembers, and somehow he's able to find the right home. And did that information to nine one one operators. Fear of clear. Avenue. Miramar of new and they wanna take NC the street and it's like Claremont take instill fear month for your month, see much of a new. A, I able. I am an t. I r. m.. A f- I've been Frank Fairmont avenue. Yeah. What's the other side street and seeing the street and see now. Encino. They will be. It'll be like. The other flow parts in the yard. That's the most. I can tell you at this point, it's about five minutes in, here's what we have so far and see no street in Miramar off of Fairmont avenue, not far north of the Miami Dade County line. It's the fifth house on the left. There's flowerpots, but it doesn't do much to reduce the confusion of the call. He tells them more. There's a big white car parked in the driveway, maybe mercury. And he says, there should be three other people in the house. Last night and MRIs, how come she's calling you now, what what's going on now? Like how. Roy. Gets. Yeah, she doesn't even know who shot her in the face. They will run. Is there any other victims in the house. Listen three, but I've come on this is where they are. Is there. Okay. And these are these are family members. What. Friend, a friend, so. Fairmont is less than a mile long, but police officers looking for the house need more information and the minutes just keep ticking by. The caller gives the operator meals name and tries to get Camille to describe where in the house she is. He tells Camille to stay calm. Help is coming. Then Nicole gets even more complicated. One officer wants to call the man directly. So he hangs out with the nine one one operator soon after that, another dispatcher calls back and the man asked for the operator who took the original call. Hi, this is about yourself three cheese woman call from this number. It seems upper it is. How long ago did you speak to that person? Okay. What was it about there? Is it end in minima. Okay. He's gonna ready? How can I help you, sir? Now it's more than fifteen minutes. They're callers. Frustration is growing as the operator tries to get more information this time about where he's calling from by now. He's just exasperated my friend is on the phone dying. He says, when you're asking questions about me. What the. One second. Miller no-go to see. Really. So you're in Lauderdale right? What is your address. Leading, you never met him. You know. Into question. She's uninformed. I in my address. Address so we can get it for their rations, sir. Hello. Hello. I'm gonna on the Eliza. Thank you. Drive down there yourself. Still searching for the right house and operator tries a different approach. Chicago text t mobile to see if they can trace Camille cell phone. But even though it's a desperate emergency, she hits a frustrating way. We're all used to. Hi, you've reached the law enforcement relations group or team mobile in order to focus upper arm reducing subpoena turn around time. We will answer general category calls between eleven AM. We had a female that called her friend. She said that she was rob last night, the hot shot in the face. She's on able to move. He can't remember her address. It's in the city of Miramar. We know so far and we have units all over the city looking for this house or get an address from that. Okay. All right. What I'm going to need from you is a, uh. Is a letter before I can release any information because the individuals not directly requesting assistance from nine one one. Just when it seems like operators have no other options. One of them actually gets Camille on the phone more than thirty minutes after friend I called. Hello. This is back shares office. You were shot in the face right. Yes. On the phone. Okay. Where are you. Commute can barely speak, and as you can hear it, it's hard times understand or the operator tries to get her to describe or she is then to go outside the front door were officers might be able to see her. Can you walk at all. Huh. Can you maybe see anything that you could tell us that address. You're trying. Okay. Where we have the paramedic sleet and free to or trying to find you. Okay. Are you walking right now? No. Okay. Where are you in the house? Don't steer those. You're downstairs right now. Yes. Camille somehow mixer way out the front door in the nine one one call you can hear officers in the background. He's there, try to yell to him. Okay. Peewit you. With you. Yep. Out here. Mccourty men's there with Camille. Hamilton finally found. Surgeon, David Wilson is one of two Miramar officers to approach the home on Encino street during the call. He's joined by another sergeant, Jeffrey Armenia nto, who's a swat team officer with the department army Anta was on foot looking for clues. Other officers. Wait on nearby Fairmont avenue. Armando thinks he finds the right home, but he's not sure the house is two stories, beige with pink trim. It's quiet with no signs of trouble. He walks around it and the only unusual thing as screen from back windows on the ground, a goal, Toyota Corolla sits in the driveway to the left of the house. The white mercury sable described on the nine one one call is next to the Toyota parked askew and over the sidewalk. The property backs up to a large pond. Many of the houses in the river on neighborhood do single family homes are packed tightly together along winding streets that often end in dead ends. In two thousand nine Miramar is a fast growing suburb of about one hundred twenty thousand people. It's in the far south Broward County. The city is closer to the Everglades than the beach, and it's marked by water ponds and small lakes alligator. Sightings are common sometimes even in a swimming pool. Miramar is diverse. Black people make up forty, six percent of the population. It's a destination for people from the Caribbean islands, especially Jamaica around eleven percent of people there say they're Jamaican flights from south Florida are under two hours, and that short flight is what brought Camille Hamilton and her daughter from their native Jamaica a little more than two weeks before the attack. It's a typical ninety degree August day under the Florida sun. When sergeant army anto gets the house number on insane, oh street, where Camille should be the doors closed and army. Anto doesn't want to knock. He doesn't know who might answer. So he goes across the street to find a neighbor just as he knocks on the neighbor's door. He looks back and sees Camille at the doorstep. She's wearing a Brown sundress and she's sitting on the ground leaning against the door, her legs out in front of her army unto an Wilson have to act fast, but they have to be cautious to if this is the woman who's been shot, who is the shooter and whereas the shooter. They approached the home protected by bulletproof shield, the order Camille to stand and walk towards them, but they get no response. She needs help on the officers need a plan. Wilson described their next move in a deposition. He gave later. Eventually we can tell the doors open doors open, right? So we, we devise a plan that myself and sort of the end basically bypass or go in the front, the win to the front of the house. Right? Ten sets the front of the house well of, I think it was a believe it was officer Donny and Marie, so I'm not sure right. He looked at my work anytime. Right. Safer location across the street. You say you bypassing you just kind of walk by right, right. Well, as you as, you know, obviously it uses she'll recovering as you walk up, you make sure the young. I mean, there's no other weapon or she never weapon or anything there. I, like I said, we didn't know we were walking into at this point. Two other officers reach Camille and check for a pulse. Dried blood covers a gunshot wound near her left cheekbone. She moans somehow she's alive. They lift her to their shoulders, rush who are cross the street and out of danger she's in and out of consciousness, but manages to give police one bit of alarming news. Her young daughter is still inside. And there are others. What would it look like? If we all listened more, this is Mikhail Austin, listening to audio books motivates us inspires us even brings us closer together. There's no better place to listen than audible because now audible members get even more exclusive fitness programs. Audiobooks audible, originals and more audible has the largest selection of audiobooks on the planet. And now with audible originals this election has gone even more custom with content may just for members every month. Audible members get one credit for any audio book. They choose plus to audible originals from a changing selection that they can't get anywhere else. You can probably guess I loved crime. So I've been listening to Michelle McNamara's all be gone in the dark. It's the creepy true story of the author's obsessive search for the Golden State killer. Now, audible has a special offer for listeners of colonial Florida. If you visit audible dot com, slash Florida or texts Florida to five hundred five hundred. Your first audiobook will be free. When you start a thirty day trial with audible, books are yours to keep go back and realistic. Anytime even if you cancel your membership, don't like your audiobook exchange it. No questions asked. So get your free audiobook today by going to audible dot com slash Florida. That's a UD IB l. e. dot com slash Florida or by texting Florida to five hundred five hundred audible. You can do it with audio books. Paramedics are whisking badly injured, Camille Hamilton to an ambulance surgeons army until in Wilson in the home with other officers, their guns are drawn. Inside the door. There's a small hallway that leads straight ahead into the kitchen. To the left is the staircase leading up to the second floor to the right is the dining room. There's no movement inside the house, but there are some small signs that there was a disturbance here. There's money scattered on the floor inside the foyer, American Jamaican dollars, a gold color purse hangs personally office-mall table in front of the officers. Three officers stage right there basically door myself as me until begins sweep the house sort of counterclockwise motion. We went off to the right person that back. The the dining room. Okay. He got back down a little bit further into the house, and then me I had went to shield with the with the the three female officers. Right? And that's what he's spotted the projectile laying on the floor, the dining definitely. And being the tactical swat guy that he is, he made the determination plus a lack toback out of the house and reading for the situation as well. They find a bullet on the floor and the officers look up and see a hole in the ceiling. It could have been shot through the floor upstairs. The shooter may still be here somewhere in the house. Wilson army until and the other officers regroup outside of the home and call for the swat team. But if there are other victims in the house time is not on their side, somebody may need help. When they go back in, there are more problem. Signs, an officer notices a drop of blood by the door, and there's a foul odor. As Wilson and another officer watched the staircase army anto in to swat officers move through the first floor. Again, clearing room by room. Every corner is checked. They toss around maroon colored cushions, piled on couches in front of the television looking for a possible hiding gunman. But the first floor is empty. Armenta leads the officers up the stairs. It's six carpeted steps up. Then the staircase turns right and continues another night steps at the top of the stairs. They look into the first door on the left. It's the master bedroom and it's here police make the grisly discovery. Three bodies lay on the floor. Their feet are bound with duct tape to have their hands, bound and blood is everywhere on the door and the comforter on the nearby bed. Armenta also in a deposition describes what he saw. Lane under stomachs duct tape, the ankles, the risk of like obvious trauma to the head. There's blood underground leaders casings there looked like there were cases yellowcard your show. Now we're all like wind up in the bedroom or they were to the way they were laying or from what I remember and it'd be accurate. I'd like to look at some pictures when I remember my head, I believe there are two victims you walked in the bedroom door to victims right on the ground. I possibly their heads facing me that and then there was another victim, I believe, who's a young man of fifteen? I think he was kinda partially father This is sore and two teenagers, Davey and Bishop, and the key to Hamilton had been shot in their heads and we're dead. the scene in the house is horrifying, and the person who killed faith Davey and the escaped probably many hours ago. Police have a lot of time to make up. Miramar detective, Steve Toyota is in his office when he gets a call from his supervisor, he's told a woman had been shot and was on her way to memorial regional hospital in nearby Hollywood Florida. He doesn't know her condition or if she'll survive. It's not the first case for the forty year old detective. He'd been with the department since nineteen ninety three and a homicide investigator. Since two thousand four. He averages about ten cases a year, and he's a respected investigator before homicides. He worked as a narcotics officer and was named the city's co officer of the year and part for reducing drug trafficking in the city. Shootings are routine. But as he drives to the hospital, this case is about to become one of Toyota's biggest. Before he arrives, he gets another call. His shooting investigation is now a triple murder case. When he first sees Camille Hamilton, it doesn't look good. Toyota knows he doesn't have much time to act. He's had victims rushed off to surgery and never come back. He described those first moments in deposition and literally trying to poke my head is amongst the medical staff trying to get whatever information I can because. I can tell you my experience sometimes when the victims taken to surgery and they good ICU. And if if they don't come out. I don't have. We'd never have a chance to ask. His initial conversation with Camille was recorded. The audio quality is very poor and Camille voices week. She's barely able to respond, but in the recording, the detective can be heard, repeating what he thinks she says and pressing her for whatever information he can get a doctor at her bedside is heard. I. To what. Money, he wants money. Okay. He wants money for what. Wants money for what to try. One more time. Did he just wants money? He didn't say why. Do you know him? Who knows him? Who's he acquaintance? Friend? Why would he ended up at your house. Outside. I'm not understanding you, Camille. You gotta speak. Okay. Right. What. Fun. Okay. Hang on. You've outside taking some stuff from the car? Ten side credit. Okay. Well. One more time about goodness. I'm detective. Toyota wasn't getting much at one point. He waits she's taken away by medical staff when she comes back, Camille is now in the intensive care unit detective, Toyota questions for more Camille. Realize toilet again. Okay, I need you. I need more questions of very important. I don't wanna buddy too much, but if we can get tired away and get some rest. Okay. Camille was still weak and hard to hear on the recording. Here's reporter. Steven Hobbs, explaining what detective, Toyota learn from Camille at the hospital. Camille told detective, Toyota that should driven south from West Palm Beach. That's about fifty miles away from Miramar. She's gotten there the night before and she was unloading things from riccar when a man with a gun approached her, he was asking her for money. He forced her inside the home, and his face was always partly covered. He was black, had an American accent, but she didn't recognize his voice. She was with her daughter, NICKY, her friend, faith, and faith, son, David. But she didn't really know what happened to them. Does details where star for the detective, but there were still a lot of questions. Toyota asks Camille a few more questions that could help detectives. Even the tiniest bit of evidence could crack the case. Was he wearing gloves? She doesn't remember the detective asks again less than an hour later this time she says, yes, he was had he touched her. Camille says he slapped her. Did he touch anything else? Yes, he held her purse. It's black and it's in the house. A Miramar crime. Scene technician comes to the hospital using cotton swab and water. She rubs Camille fingernails for DNA. Camille is wearing a neck brace and using an oxygen mask. Her arms and legs are bruised. She has scrapes and blood on her knees, her clothes and jewelry are taken and stored as evidence by five fifteen that evening less than two hours. After Camille was found by the police on the porch of the Miramar home detective, Toyota finishes his last interview with her that day. It's his turn to head to the scene. Back on Sinoe street, yellow police tape stretches around the property, which is now a major crime scene detectives from the sheriff's office arrived to help evidence cones cover items in front of the home, a light Florida summer rain quickly comes and goes, officers are spreading out in the neighborhood, knocking on doors, looking for witnesses and questioning people who are watching the scene from the street. They're giving differing information. One neighbor says that he was ninety nine percent sure that the white mercury sable was not parked in the driveway at seven AM that morning. Another says she had seen it there around six AM. Others weren't giving officers much to go on. No one had heard gunshots and no one had seen anyone flee the scene. The first hours of the investigation aren't turning up much, but there was at least one thing to go on earlier that morning possibly around the time of the murders police officers on patrol had a chance encounter with a man who could be connected. They just had to find him, hey, guys, this is Kelly from the flowness Florida team. Have you tried blue apron that meal delivery service will if not, this is a great time to do it. Blue apron delivers fresh pre proportion ingredients and step by step recipes right to your door. 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Slash Florida, blue apron, a better way to cook. Around two fifteen AM on the day. Camille. Hamilton was found more than twelve hours before her call for help to Miramar officers are on patrol. Just west of Encino street. They spot a man walking the officers, make a u-turn and drive towards him. He's a black man wearing a great t shirt black shorts and black sneakers. As the two officers were turning the man sprints away. He crosses the road climbs over a metal railing and dashes through the bushes. He's heading toward an area that leads to a small lake. The officers call for backup and set out on foot with flashlights searching for the man. There's no sign of him. They look around the lake, but the only clues they find are Brown leather sandals and black sneakers. The time of that chance meeting could have corresponded with the time the Encino street victims were shot, and it was about a mile from the murder scene. But they couldn't find him. If the man was connected in some way, police would never know. Back at the crime scene officers look for clues outside the home, the Toyota Corolla parked on the west side of the driveway is registered to faith. Bisa sore faith is the owner of the home so that Toyota belongs there. But the white mercury sable parked at an angle and partially over the sidewalk is suspicious. The glove compartment is open and papers piled on the front passenger seat and on the floor. The car isn't registered to anybody who was at the home. So who's is it police trace the sable to a woman who lived fifty miles north in the city of lake worth Miramar detectives head to her home and speak with the owner and her daughter. They tell police that Camille Hamilton was working as a caretaker for the elderly mother. They say Camille had gone home to Jamaica recently, but returned on August first with her daughter and Akita. The elderly woman can't recall exactly what time she had lasting Camille, but she took her scheduled pills at about nine pm the night before. So Camille was there until at least then. The daughter says that Camille had used their car to run local errands, but it wasn't often and she never took it very far. So what was Camille doing with their car? So late at night and fifty miles away. The sable isn't the only car that's raising questions. There's another that is even more mysterious. On insane. Oh, street Roure sheriff's office. Detectives have taken over at the crime scene inside the garage. Detectives are looking at an expensive blue to dorm. Sadi's s. six hundred, but the cars unusual very unusual. In fact, it has double paneled glass windows and the doors are unusually thick. The lead sheriff's detective looks over. The car believes it's armored. But why did faith have an armored car in her garage. He calls in detective Toyota and they alert the bomb squad. The sheriff's detective looks inside but doesn't have it searched and doesn't collect any evidence from it. The car is a mystery and certainly unusual. Something else. Unusual is found this time outside the home on the grass. There are small, plastic Baggies often use for drugs drug sniffing dogs come to the scene searching the outside and the inside of the home. But nothing is found two people interviewed by police say they think the attack might not have been random, but no proof that the victims were targeted was ever found. The armored Mercedes, the plastic Baggies, detective, Toyota would later say he considered the possibility that the murders were drug related, but concluded that the attack was indeed random. Most of the other relevant evidence is believed to be inside the house where detectives are trying to make sense of what went on the night before it's overwhelming. The three bodies are upstairs in the master bedroom, but detectives discover a bullet and two bullet shells and guest bedroom to, and there are signs of a robbery, not far from the bodies purses are found overturned on the bed with their contents scattered a small black safe is set on top of nearby armoire and it looks as if somebody had been trying to open it. It's a complicated confusing. Crime scene and police are videotaping noting and photographing every inch looking for a significant clue. As the search for evidence stretches into days, there are far more questions than answers. The only person who could help piece together as an intensive care with a bullet still in her neck. Who shot Camille Hamilton and killed faith Bissessar Davian and Bishop and the Keita Hamilton. What police haven't yet realized that the key Twi denting suspect is hiding in plain sight. It sitting next to the bodies in the bedroom. Though it will be many months before it reveals its secret. It's a roll of duct tape and it contains what will become the most significant piece of evidence in the entire case. On the next up felonious Florida. The Sinoe murders, Camille Hamilton shares more about the fourteen unexplained hours inside the Encino street home. But our investigation reveals that her story was inconsistent over many interviews. She gave to police. Then after months of dead ends in the investigation police catch a break that holds more promise. They began to zero in on a suspect. Thanks for listening to this episode of colonial Florida. If you're enjoying the podcast, please rate us on apple podcasts and tell your friends about our show is available online at felonious, Florida dot com. Apple podcasts, one dot com or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can go online to see photographs video and read more about the cases were featuring felonious Florida dot com and be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, the loneliest Florida is produced by the south Florida sun sentinel. Wondering, the Encino murders was reported and written by Stephen hops, and I'm your host and sound designer indicate Austin our producers, David shoots and one or tak- editing by Randy were Guskey sound direction by Sean pits with additional recordings by Carleen. Jean courtroom. Mahdia was provided by w. f. o. r. CBS Miami. The felonious Florida team includes Lisa Arthur, Dana banker, Iran zoo, Danny Sanchez and Kelly fry. Hi, this is Stephen Hobbs. Local journalism matters support us by joining the Sun-Sentinel south. Ford is leading source of news information and entertainment, visit Sun-Sentinel dot com. Slash join.

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The Encino Murders, Part 2 | 2

Felonious Florida

43:21 min | 2 years ago

The Encino Murders, Part 2 | 2

"Camille Hamilton propped up in her hospital bed scanning through page after page of small mugshots. There are hundreds of them. She's using the photos to help develop a sketch of her attacker. It's been five days since she was found outside the front door of a house on Encino street after she was shot in the face. Inside her teenage daughter, Nikita and two others were dead. She survived. One of the worst homicides the city of Miramar Florida has seen in recent memory. She's a bit groggy and her jaws wired. Shut her memory of that night isn't complete. But with very few leads, police are leaning on Camille as their best chance for a break. They have no suspect, no motives. Commute was a direct witness to the horrifying crime, and they need her to remember. She's Ganz photo after photo, looking for facial features, head shapes anything that will jog her memory of the man who shot her. It takes time, but with the help of an artist from the sheriff's office, Camille comes up with the sketch. He's a black young man. Maybe in his twenties short hair, a thin moustache. His only facial hair. Detectives had their first look at the killer. But in the weeks and months after the attack, Camille descriptions of what happened varied along with details of the attacker. Her memory may be the only key to solving the case. But would it be reliable enough to catch the killer. You're probably listening to colonial Florida because you're addicted a true crime stories. So am I do you need to check out the weather channel's, newest TV series called storm of suspicion. When it premieres on Sunday, October, seventh, it's unlike anything you've seen on the Weather Channel. Storm of suspicion has everything you love about your favorite true crime shows and documentaries. There's deceipt murder, mystery piecing together the clues, but it has a clever twist done in a way. Only the Weather Channel can possibly do a storm. A hurricane fact did hurricane Harvey help solve a murder, and how did a rain puddle ultimately lead to a murder conviction? Watch to see how weather can help suspects stay under the radar and also lead to their downfalls. Dr Elizabeth Austin, a world renowned for enzyme meteorologist will have you looking at crimes and a whole new way. She shows you how investigators can use mother nature to solve some of the most difficult cases. Storm suspicion will be presented with limited commercial interruptions. Don't miss the series premiere on October. For seventh at eight eastern seven central on the Weather Channel. From the south of sunset Nolan association with this felonious Florida. The podcast leads you into the dark side of the sunshine state. I'm your host mccade Austin along with investigative reporter, Steven, hops. This is part two of the NCAA no murders. Makita Hamilton was a few months shy of her sixteenth birthday when she came to the United States with her mom, Camille. It was August first, two thousand nine, two weeks before the brutal attack. Nikki, that's what her mom calls her was a top student at her school in Kingston, Jamaica. She was an avid reader love to swim and ride bikes. Nikki was Camille only child, but they really acted more like sisters. They were inseparable taking photos with each other curling up to watch movies on the lifetime channel and traveling together. Nikki also loved to sing. Luther Vandross was a favourite and Britney Spears. She would pretend to be Britney singing and dancing with her trademark moves. Camille husband at the time. Nikki's dad was a reggae performer. He was busy a lot. So Camille Nikki was spent hours together helping kids at an internet cafe where Camille worked. Camille says Nikki loved working with kids and dreamed of being a pediatrician someday. I know the kids used to sit Twitter me. Nikita received was very smart with computer. So we still nj feeds school. We start the internet cafe teaching out to use the computer and Elton with their schoolwork teat in give them a few times like a few minutes playing a game, and then cut the break and send them back to their schoolwork. She loved indicates. So any fun for me also to be there, the kids, it was a pledge of those the kids in helping them because we have four kids in Jamaica. Some of them do have any money to use the intended to Al sneak, meaning they used the intimidating, you know. I used to love doing that. He multi is a computer. It's fun for me. The kids was been hours playing games at the cafe. Camille would have to drag them off the computers and kick them out so she could close up by nine pm. She wasn't always successful. when she wasn't at the cafe, you might find Camille in the kitchen. She loved to cook. One of her favorites was Jamaican specialty Aki and salt fish. So fishes often fish cod, that's been dried and cured in salt to make it last longer. Camille would boil it slice it at Aki. That's the national fruit of Jamaica, but it's usually use a vegetable. She'd also add onions, peppers, tomatoes, time, and seasoning. Camille would serve the dish with green bananas or roasted breadfruit. That's a fruit with an unusual flavor. When cooked tastes something like freshly baked bread when Camille would visit the United States, she'd help cook the Aki and salt fish at a south Florida Jamaican restaurant run by her aunt. Around two thousand eight. Camille was at a wedding Jamaica. She saw woman sitting by herself and decided to go talk to her and keep her company. Her name was faith business sore, and the two hit it off. Faith was also from Jamaica, but lived in Florida. She was a quiet and hard working woman. She was a nurse in the emergency room at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami. She was on call a lot. After the wedding, Camille and faith became close. They talked on the phone often got together when they could. One of those times was during a trip to New York. It wasn't a happy visit. They were there for a funeral, but it had snowed, and Camille and faith couldn't help writing the mood by playing in the snow, throwing it at each other and laughing. Faith would say, Camille, your fun to be around. You know how to cheer people up. They shop together often for close Camille liked fashion, and she liked giving faith home decorating tips when she was visiting her friend in Florida, put marble in the kitchen. She would suggest change the furniture and the guest room. Faith was forty, nine, ten years older than Camille in August two thousand nine. But despite the age gap, the two had become good friends. Perhaps their friendship was made stronger because they had something significant and common faith also had a teenager, her son Davian was the same age as Camille daughter Nikita. Fifteen-year-old Davey and Bishop was a top student at strand had high school in Fort Lauderdale about seventeen miles from his mom's home in Miramar. He could be goofy kid in many ways, typical teenager, but he was also exceptional. He was kind and thoughtful. He was someone who would share his lunch with another student and one of those around him to thrive. Deviant kept a shelf full of trophies above a desk in his room. Some of them were for music. He played the piano. This was very smart. Any use selectively either? See every time I go to the door. I said, fate worries. Davian ease iden-. You jump out and frighten me, and he's always doing his homework. Any use to flee peon church. I go to church with them one Sunday. Any was clean such a nice kid. Keira. Qadis mom said to be once you know that David get a computer and phone from school and he gave you to before we take you to. But it was like there's ended. You do that. Then he said he sent to community and I said, why did he? He said those kids need ten. I have a computer ready. So smart sweet kid. David and Akita hadn't met yet. But the two teens talked on the phone. Their conversations would sometimes go to schoolwork Davey and helps Nikita with her math. They finally meet in August two thousand nine when Camille comes to Florida and brings Nikita with her, Camille is working as a live in caretaker for an elderly woman who lives in lake worth not far from West Palm Beach, faith once Davey and Akita to spend time together and get to know each other. She invites Nikita to stay at her place. Camille is apprehensive, but finally agrees to let her daughter stay there. It would only be for a few days after all. She just didn't want any kissing. It's a couple of days into Nikki stay on in Sinoe, St., August sixteenth. She wants some different food than what's faiths house. So she calls her mom and asks if she can bring her some snacks pretzels and Doritos, please. Camille finishes up taking care of the elderly woman. She works for making sure she takes her scheduled pills. She borrows the woman's mercury sable as she sometimes does, and then drives the fifty miles south to faiths house with groceries. She pulls into the driveway sometime around eleven pm. She plans to return to lake worth and isn't expecting to be there for long. Nikita Davian come outside to help with the groceries. The first thing I said to Nico there the night, did you case? And she said, mom, tough heat, mom. Knowing the would grow. While all three are outside, a man appears out of nowhere. And he has a gun. He's demanding money and orders them into the home. With the man looks like and what exactly happens in the house over the next fourteen or so hours. 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The first time detective, Toyota was here was minutes after Camille is brought in with a gunshot wound to her face. He was the first detective to interview her after the attack, but she was barely able to speak. That time he wasn't even sure she was going to survive, but she did and detective Toyota's been back to the hospital since by the visit on August twenty. Second, Camille had improved substantially Toyota brought along his partner to video record. The interview. Detective. Hector. Bertrand had been on the Miramar force for about seventeen years. He and Steve Toyota were friends to when they were working together as narcotics detectives. They were honored together as the co officers of the year. They were credited with seizing thirty kilos of cocaine along with more than four hundred pounds of marijuana and other illegal drugs and cameos hospital room detective. Bertrand started the video camera recording and his partner asked Camille to walk through what happened on the night of August sixteenth. Although the interview was recorded, Camille. Jaw was shut, and she's at times hard to understand reporter. Steven Hobbs explains her recollection of the attack. Communes memory about what happened was inconsistent over the many statements achieve detectives. You wouldn't. It's bad for her memory to be perfect in a situation like this. I mean, she went through a traumatic event, what alone? What damage could have been caused by the bullet that hit or. But in this interview in the the nine total recorded interviews that shaved a detective, Toyota, you really see that there are inconsistencies in some of the details that she remembers, and Toyota was concerned about some of those inconsistencies. So they did what was called a cognitive interview, or she sat down with a law enforcement officer and it wasn't the rapid fire responses that she was having to get it or hospital bed. She was able to sit and relax and try to tell what she remembered in recalled from those incidents. And it's not her fault that she was not able to remember it every particular detail of what was going on. But it was really important for the detectives to try to get her to remember as much as they can. It's not always clear from all statements. How many details that she actually remembers on her own or how many of the details were built up over the many interviews that you gave with. Detective. Through all of the interviews with Camille detective, Toyota put together bits and pieces of what happened at the NCAA street home that night. The detective would later summarise descriptions in an arrest, affidavit. It went like this. After Camille and the kids unload the car. She gets ready to leave saying goodbye to David Nikita the driveway. Then a man with a gun comes up to her from behind he demands money and orders the three into the home. While inside the man again asks for money, Camille gives him some around eighty bucks. The man then forces them upstairs. That's where faith is in the master bedroom. He directs them inside her room orders, faith to bind Davian Nikita, and Camille hands and feet with duct tape. Then the man tapes up faith and somehow the gun ends up on the floor. Camille makes a move. She crawls over and picks up the gun, then crawls away into the nearby guest bedroom. In their Camille fires, two shots. It doesn't appear either hit the man and he's able to get the gun back from her. He drags her into the hallway and threatens to sexually assault, her Camille resists, and he shoots her. About fourteen hours later, she wakes up her face is caked and dried blood, and she goes into an upstairs bathroom and tries to wash it out of her eyes. She's able to get her cell phone. She dials on a man picks up. It was a friend. She talked to the night before. She's been shot. She tells her friend. He's the one who calls nine one one. Mine on his phone. He sees in clan. She was one in the face. In this thing, she was shot in the face. It seems clear from detective, Toyota summary what happened in the house that night. But he left out moments where she contradicted herself. Including the order she and the others were taped up the sexual assault threat, the amount of money the man took and her movements after she woke up. Our investigation of the many interviews and depositions Camille would give after the shooting shows that her recollections were not as clear as he made them seem that includes description of the attacker. I should necessarily said that she didn't really get a good will get the man. Then she said he might have had a mask or something partially covering his face, maybe t shirt or the color of shirt. And at some point at had fallen off. But then waiter in that cognitive interview that you gave. She said that the best work that she got at the the attacker was outside in the driveway. Obviously if it was dark and we don't really know that what the lighting was like. So there was real questions about how much of his face that she actually remembered seeing. And then there were times shoe said that he was maybe wearing a hat or something covering his head. Another key detail for detectives, whether or not the man was wearing gloves. So gloves were important because if if the perpetrator wasn't wearing gloves, maybe DNA was left on the scene. So initially. The first day in the hospital. She said she didn't remember the man wearing gloves. Then later that day at another interview, she said he was wearing gloves. And then within the next few weeks, Chicago about the detective and said, detective, Toyota and said that he was definitely not wearing gloves. And there were more inconsistencies. The murdered victims had been bound with duct tape in the master bedroom, detective, Toyota asked Camille where the attacker got the duct tape. So the question about the tape was really important for detectives. They couldn't be sure which roll of tape was. There were three found in the master bedroom, but there was one that was found right next to the victims. Sometimes Camille said that the perpetrator took the duct tape out of his pocket. But other times she said she wasn't sure words to the duct tape came from, there's a mysterious part of the crime scene detective, Toyota needed help to solve the victims were found on the floor of the master bedroom. So it seems that's where they had been shot. But in the guest room officers found a bullet to Bulla casings two bullet holes and a strand of used duct tape. How do they get their detective? Toyota didn't have an answer to that question by his interview with Camille on August twenty second. So he brought it up with her. He asked at any point, did you take the gun from him? Camille responded, I think so. I don't know. Toyota said the other day, you told me you got the gun from him and shot at him twice. She would go on to say she did fire the gun in front of eighths bathroom after the man dropped it, but that didn't match evidence at the crime scene where a bullet and used bullet shells were found in the guest bedroom. Later in the interview, the gun came up again. So this time later on in the interview, Camille brings up the gun. Again, she says, did you find out if I fired the gun to do test my hand and the detective response that he wasn't sure he didn't remember them doing any type of testing for any type of gunshot residue or anything. On her hand, detective, Toyota kept asking Camille to recall more details about this unknown piece of the crime scene puzzle, how and where she was able to get the gun. In doing. So he told her details about what investigators found at the crime scene, but what did Camille actually remember? It's not as clear as the affidavit later made it seem, here's a clip from the recording of the hospital room interview with Camille. Again, she's a bit hard to understand. Asking about where you were because they're couple shots were fired. That are in the guest bedroom. Guess. And that's what I wanted to make sure when you shut. Were you face room or were you in another room even at house before I. Out. So. Oh, did you. House, right. Drew base room the bathroom. Okay. And that's why I was asking about you show your face room because there's a couple of gunshots that are in the guest room. That. That that could have taken place there use lowering. If you ever gets that. Okay. So detective tore through a spokeswoman declined my request for an interview, but he testified later that he knew that Camille was inconsistent in the statements that she was giving. One of the things that he said was, he believe Camille was was telling them as much as she knew, but he believed that she was able to see enough of the attack during the incident to get a description of audio. What's like a couple of things that puzzled them about bullet holes that they found in there and how my relate to Camille as they found that it appeared one of the the bullets that was fired in there maybe was fire maybe from the bed in a downward direction. But the second one was that there was also a board fired maybe possibly next to the bed, fired upwards towards the door frame and potentially why that could be significant is from what the detective described is that if Camille was able to get away with the gun. She possibly could have been on the ground beside the bed as the attacker came into the room and maybe tried to fire at him and missed, but fired out the door frame either above him or two side of him a little bit. So potentially there are pieces of evidence in there. That might say that Camille maybe did fire on at the attacker. She also had some cuts on her news that a crime intimation later noted that could have been caused by her maybe scooting into the other room on her knees, took it away with the gun. Inconsistencies are important because it's it's once again, not Camille fault how much she remembers or doesn't remember, but detectives and prosecutors have to rely on her memory as evidence in a court case in a situation where her memory is so important and so crucial. It can really impact a criminal case and how it moves forward. Camille, contradictions will become a significant factor in the case in the years that followed some of Camille memories of her attacker were more consistent. She said, the man smelled stinky and dirty. He had gold teats. She said, but only on the bottom row. He was slim, maybe twenty something. Then there was the facial hair for the police artist's sketch. She said the man had a thin moustache. This would also play a major role in the case. For now detectives had the sketch artists had made with Camille help copies were distributed to police agencies into the public and south Florida tips came in by the dozens, but they led to a series of dead ends. Police in Miami, ran the sketch through facial recognition software. It came up with two possible names. Neither panned out more names came in from others including anonymous tips. Investigators in Miramar scour their own databases searching for men with violent criminal pasts who match Camille description, the county crime lab compared possible suspects to fingerprints taken from the murder scene, but the days became weeks and the weeks became months. There were no breaks after Camille left the hospital. Detective Toyota's spent more time with her one day, showing her photographs and driving her around. He stopped several people hoping something. Anything would trigger her memory. It didn't in November. Toyota showed Camille, thirty nine photographs of different possible suspects. According to the detective's notes, Camille said that one photo resembled her attacker, but she wasn't a hundred percent. Sure that man's fingerprint. Were sent for testing? Nothing. Another month went by in the detective tried again this time he showed Camille more photographs. Again, she identified a man as resembling her attacker. His fingerprints were also tested. No match. the calendar turn to twenty ten and detectives kept working. They went back to the river neighborhood, knocking on more doors, near the murder scene. They chase down tips and got nowhere. The case was at a virtual standstill. DNA tests had been done on several pieces of evidence. No suspects. But nearly a year into the investigation, there was one piece of evidence that was about to change everything. Hey, guys. This is Kelly from the flowness Florida team. Have you tried blue apron that meal delivery service, if not, this is a great time to do it. Blue apron delivers fresh preportion ingredients and step by step recipes right to your door. 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Slash Florida, blue apron, a better way to cook. The murder scene street was bloody and where there's blood. There are possible clues. A window and sliding glass door had red stains on them that caught the eyes of investigators. There were in the back of the house, one of the stains on the windows frame another on the door handle which could have been used by the intruder. The stains were tested to determine if they were actually blood. It's a test involving cotton swab a dropper to have water, some alcohol, an acid base solution and hydrogen peroxide. The swab turn pink. It was blood. The swabs were sent to the crime lab for more testing. But for some reason, the blood had been sitting out in a hot and humid, Florida weather for days before it was collected in may have degraded in the lab was unable to find DNA profile. Blood was found in another unusual spot. It was in the mercury sable that Camille Hamilton borrowed on the night of murders. She had parked it outside the house. When she got there police on the glove, box, opened and papers piled on the passenger seat and on the floor. Camille had no explanation for this. That wasn't how the car usually looked. Near the cars back window was another roll of duct tape. It's the fifth one found at the scene. Three were in the master bedroom plus one in the garage. The role in the car was collected as evidence along with the others. But something even more interesting was discovered inside the car. Tissues with reddish stains were found on the floor in front of the passenger seat. The stains look like blood. This time a sample came back with the name. But that too became a dead end. The blood belonged Camille daughter Nikita one of the victims in the house. Camille said she didn't know how it got there. She didn't remember any blood in the car. Detectives would never get an explanation for how akitas blood ended up there. Eight months have passed since the murders, its April twenty first twenty ten DNA tests on evidence from inside at outside the Encino street home hadn't produced any suspects. They created more questions. Still searching for a lead detectives, Steve, Toyota and Hector. Bertrand tried again with more forensic tests. They focused on the duct tape. And there was a lot of it. All of the murdered victims had been bound around their ankles with it too, had their respond. A strip of tape was found in the guest bedroom. In fact, there were five roles and total found at the scene. One of them was on a table along the east wall of the master bedroom, just a few feet from the victims. The detectives couldn't be sure that was the role that was used to by faith Davey and Nikita. There were two others found in the same room. One on a table across the room and another in nearby are more, but it was the closest role to the bodies. Thin strips had been peeled off the roll unevenly. So one side had more tape left on it than the other. A close look at the role revealed a small reddish stain. It could be blood, but by April twenty ten parts of the tape had already been tested. And no DNA of a possible suspect had been found. Except this time investigators had a new idea to try to get DNA off the roll. It would start with a bottle of liquid. You can buy at a craft store. Undo as a household product that can help remove at he Cives like labels or tape. The idea to use it came from the county crime labs, DNA unit manager, a bit of a hail, Mary stalled investigation. An investigator put undo on cotton swab. He then brushed the swab on the role of duct tape thought to have been used by the killer. If there were cells containing DNA sticking to the tape, the undo might help free them. He swabbed different parts of the role. Now the samples were in the hands of the lab detectives would have to wait to find out if the technique would pay off. DNA testing is a complicated process that takes time. The technology is constantly changing and testing has become more sensitive over the years. It's moved beyond blood and other bodily fluids. Analysts can now use miniscule amounts of DNA like from skin cells to crack cases. The sample from the role of duct tape is put in a small tube. Chemicals are added in the tube is heated. The goal is to break up cells in the sample and released their DNA. Once that's done, the analysts will know if there's any testable DNA. The DNA is copied over and over so that even those tiny amounts evaluated the DNA from the tape is then reviewed and a profile uploaded to a state law enforcement database that includes people, convicted of and arrested for crimes. On July twelve, twenty ten nearly a year after the murders. Detective, Toyota gets the call from the crime lab. And finally catches a break. The DNA on the duct tape return to name. He's a man who has been in prison before black American thin in his early thirties. Similar to what Camille Hamilton described. His name is Kevin Pratt. Nineteen ninety-five Kevin was sentenced to three years in prison for a robbery. Nineteen ninety eight. He got a year in prison for striking officer with the vehicle and fleeing police. He also got charged for carrying a concealed gun during that incident. More recently in two thousand eight. He got arrested for a couple indecent exposure incidents, including one in Jacksonville. In that case, he pleaded no contest. He also had multiple run ins with police across Florida and a few months before the DNA hit had been charged with battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence. Nearly three months after the street murders an officer in the Orlando area stopped Kevin because he fit the description of a man involved in an attempted robbery. An officer collected a DNA sample, even though he wasn't accused in the robbery. It was at least his second sample attitude state's database. And there's more. Two other encounters police had with Kevin Pratt, put him close to the time in place of the murders. The first one happened a little more than a week before and just a couple miles away. An officer saw Kevin panhandling at nearby intersection. He didn't know anything in the report about Kevin's appearance. But later the officer said, he remembered he had a beard. The other report from a police officer in Miami Dade County revealed a Kevin had been stopped just over the county line around four miles from the murder scene. The officer noted in his report that Kevin had short and curly black hair and beard slash goatee that was around eleven fifty PM on August fifteenth. Almost exactly twenty four hours later, Camille Hamilton arrived on NCO street in the mercury sable carrying snacks were her daughter. Detectives had caught a huge break in the murder case. If Kevin Pratt's DNA was on the duck tape, it could mean he was at the murder scene. But DNA evidence can be tricky thing. Sometimes like in this case, the results aren't so simple. The crime lab report said that the sample from the role of duct tape looked like it had DNA from at least three different people. Camille. Hamilton couldn't be ruled out as one of those people. Kevin Pratt, couldn't either his DNA is similar to what was found on the tape. That's why the state database John rated a hit. When DNA from multiple people as found on a piece of evidence, the results get muddied. It's not always clear where the DNA from one person overlaps with another. When that happens, analysts use a probability formula to evaluate the strength of the similarity between the DNA from the evidence and a possible suspect. In this case, the analysts calculated probability the chances that an unrelated person have similar DNA to what was found on the duct. Tape is one in four hundred sixty thousand and that Kevin isn't the only one who has DNA that is similar to what was found on the duct tape. So this four hundred sixty thousand number is not insignificant, but in some cases where DNA from a suspect and a piece of evidence are very similar. That number can be in the billions. The crime labs DNA manager tells detectives Toyota. And Bertrand, the news. It's not a strong enough number to solve the case. Still Toyota hopes he has enough to arrest Kevin. On July thirteenth, twenty ten the day after learning about the results. He meets with prosecutors and present his case. It's Toyota's. First DNA has played such an important role. He's hoping to charge Kevin proud with the shooting of Camille Hamilton and the murders of Nikita Hamilton, faith business, or Davey, and Bishop. Not yet prosecutors. Say. They tell them the same thing. The lab manager had told him the day before. The DNA results are start. They declined to charge Kevin and tell the detective. He's got more work to do. Two weeks later, he's on a plane to Jamaica. On the next episode of felonious Florida. The murders commute Hamilton confronts Kevin Pratt after a lineup of possible suspects and the encounter is explosive. Kevin insists he didn't kill anybody, but when the DNA evidence gets stronger, he faces the death penalty. As the years go on problems at the investigation are uncovered, and suddenly the case against Kevin isn't as strong as once thought. Thanks for listening to this episode of colonial Florida. If you're enjoying the podcast, please rate us on apple podcasts and tell your friends about our show. It's available online, felonious, Florida dot com. 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UPDATE: Verdict in the Casey's Nickelodeon Murder trial | 7

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UPDATE: Verdict in the Casey's Nickelodeon Murder trial | 7

"Michael Eibar is waiting anxiously outside of a courtroom in Broward County, Florida facing emotions he's experienced before in a room near by a jury is locked away trying to decide if Michael's brother Pablo Eibar is a murderer or a man wrongly accused just would be amazing to have my brother back. I lost my mother, and in a way, I lost my brother when I was very young. I have I have a picture of my mother, and my brother from that time before he got arrested next to my bed. So it'd be like getting half of your family value. You know? This is very possibly Pablo bars. Final chance to win his freedom. It's been almost a quarter century since that August day in nineteen ninety four when he was charged with murdering Bush, Casey, Sharon Anderson and Marie Rodgers now for a third time. He waits for twelve strangers to decide his fate and three families wait to find out. If they will finally see Justice served. It Saturday morning and the jury files into the courtroom, the fifth trial, and the extrordinary cases Nickelodeon murder case is about to come to an end. From the south Florida Sun-Sentinel and wondering this is a special episode of flow news, Florida, the podcast that leads you into the dark side of the sunshine state. I'm your host and mccade Austin along with reporter Rafael omega. The cases Nickelodeon murderers is the story that launched this show in early twenty eighteen if you haven't listened to episodes one through four we suggest you go back and catch up start with the episode, titled the executions the update you're about to hear will make a lot more sense. The Casey's Nickelodeon murder case has been remarkable since the moment a sheriff's deputy discovered the bloody crime scene July nineteen ninety four Butch Casey whose real name was Casimir Sikorsky was beaten and shot to death on his dining room floor next to him lay. The bodies of Sharon Anderson and Marie Rogers to twenty five year old women. He met at his nightclub cases Nickelodeon within hours of the gruesome discovery came explosive evidence, a now famous twenty two minute video recorded by a surveillance camera mounted in a high corner of which is house the camera recorded two intruders, bursting through a back door with their faces covered to conceal their identities recorded them terrorizing Butch Sharon and Marie it recorded them as they put bullets into the backs of all three, and then it recorded, what should have been a moment that made this an open and shut case with the only witnesses dead and unaware of the camera. Aim. Directly at him one of the intruders removed a t shirt that had been covering his head and expose his face to the world. But although the video led police Apollo Eibar and eventually his friend Seth panel. It was the t shirt that the unwitting intruder removed from his head that would become the key to the case that and the advances in DNA technology that expose secrets held for twenty five years in the fibers of the blue shirt found outside Bush Casey's front door and last week. That's what prosecutor Chuck Morton told the jury in Pablo Ivers murder trial. The more things change. The more their status. This case has been hard of this court system since nineteen ninety four. Much changed since then you see the right here in the courtroom. Technology, particularly is different. We see no changes technology that occurred in our lives. Tiger fords. Which was a department was place. We seem changes have been made with respect to for wizards sites. You heard all that testimony. As believes Jay. Will. So we are. But again, how do we get the more things change? The more forensic evidence has alluded. The prosecution at every step in this sprawling case. There was none during that first trial in nineteen ninety seven when Pablo and south were tried together as co-defendants that trial ended with a hung jury. There was no physical evidence. Again, two years later when Seth was back on trial after that jury found him guilty of the murders. The Florida Supreme Court decided that the evidence against him was so thin. So circumstantial that it threw out the conviction and ordered a new trial three years later. Seth's team presented a jury with new information. It had discovered trying to convince them that Seth wasn't a killer for Seth waiting. During deliberations seemed like an eternity. It was a was ten days eleven days. I think that's the longest in Florida history. Longest in US history for capital case for jury be out. I remember when they were. Reading the verdict when they say count one not guilty. You know, the first thing I'm thinking, okay. We have lesser charges on thinking. Okay. I'm not guilty. I agree murder. But then when they went to count to they said, not guilty in my my legal sense kicked in and I say hold on. And then they say count three not guilty, and I say that's murder murder murder all three counts, and I just broke down from right there. I didn't hear anything else. After twenty two years south was free. It was I mean, I was like I don't know living on a high out of this world. I couldn't go to when I got out. I couldn't go to sleep for three days. I said a nine hundred ninety seven I said, no ninety five I said Godwin one day, if I ever get found guilty, the first place, I wanna go. I wanna go to the closest church, and I wanna get down on my knees. Imprint that church on care. What time it is? And I wanna go to the beach and put my back on a palm tree. So I got out at three o'clock in the morning, and the nearest church was I think it was ninth avenue David boulevard, if you had a little bit south as a Catholic church, and I didn't care if it was Catholic Baptist Pentecost Jehovah witness. I was just I it was like forty degrees out. I was freezing. I wasn't freezing. But my friend. I was with me she was called. And I I was out there for like twenty minutes on my hands and knees, and and I was just praying, and I stopped by Dunkin donuts get some coffee, then I went to. The beach on commercial in a with a periods. And I was going to go down there by the ward at first it was pitch dark. But then I started hearing the roaring the ocean. And you know, I haven't been around something like that almost twenty years. And I was scared. I said I didn't come this far the ocean swapping up. So I stayed away from the water and win put my butt in the Gulf against a tree. And I just enjoyed it for about an hour. Pabo Eibar has faced a tougher challenge. Since the hung jury nineteen ninety seven primarily prosecutors allege that it is his face that could be seen on the video footage during the murder, but the image on the video is grainy and Pablos lawyers and supporters have insisted it's not him. It's the most important piece of evidence until now and the most controversial. Debbie is the sister of one of the murder victims. Sharon anderson. They can for years with with description of the type of grainy as though you can't make out who I look at that type until you. My sister is for how can anyone who knows? How far look at that. And say that that's not him. So yeah, it's angering I can't tell you how many people who know be known me all these years who, of course, will ask and they will always say to me how can it be that the entire homicide? And you guys still don't have any very frustrating to explain that to people because even with all of your legal exposure. Because I thought of starting at this point even with everything I understand about the case it is. Maddening to watch it and what someone with nothing on his face. Until your sister and have that piece of very long evidence bequest, and there are people who kill and rob and seven eleven videos who trials all. Fix. Evidence against Pablo was strong enough to convince a second jury that it was indeed his face on the video. He was convicted and sentenced to death. But for the second time in the cases, Nickelodeon murder case, the Florida Supreme Court stepped in and threw out the conviction. This time they ruled up Pablo hadn't received an adequate defense from his lawyer who was ill during the trial. Pablo would face his third jury. But this time a tactic used by his defense years. Earlier would come back to haunt him. With nothing to lose before his trial and twenty ten Pablo. Eibar team took a gamble. They sent the blue t shirt found at the crime scene to a forensics lab in Virginia. They were hoping to find DNA on the shirt that could pin the murders another potential suspect. But the results were negative and the T shirt went into storage since then a new prosecutor Williamson Claire has been working to convict Pablo. And he had a thought about the t shirt Pablo had attested for another suspects DNA, but had the lab ever tested the t shirt against Pablo's own DNA. It had not Sinclair ordered the test. And this time the news was bad for Pablo. The results of the new test showed that Pablo was a major contributor to the personally recovered DNA the probability that it was a different Caucasian man was one in eleven million. The odds shrank to about one in thirty five million among Hispanic men, the momentum shit. Shifted from the defense to the prosecution. Suddenly the controversial grainy video wasn't the most important piece of evidence against Pablo. Ibar jury selection began October first twenty eighteen and by thanksgiving, it was complete. The courtroom is packed on the opening day of the trial. Eibar wife brother and father are joined by other family members with them as a delegation of senators from Spain where I bar has become a celebrity among opponents of the death penalty. One Senator rows of in del of Madrid says, quote, we are not here to say he is innocent. We are here as opponents of the death penalty. We don't want his life to be at risk. We want a fair trial the group from Spain has raised more than one million dollars for Pablo's. Current defense on the other side of the courtroom is a single row of just four people which Casey's daughter Alexis who is now thirty five years old Marie rudders mother, Margaret and brother Karim and a Representative from the victim's advocate office, which helps family members understand the legal process during murder trials. Deb buoy. Sharon sister sat through all of the previous trials. But now lives in central Florida with her children and isn't at the trial. Their mother Barbara Jones died in twenty seventeen prosecutor Williamson Claire opens the case against Pablo by highlighting his newest weapon. The DNA publish DNA was on the t shirt Sinclair tells the jury so is the DNA of Sharon Anderson, one of the murder victims this proves it Sinclair says Eibar is one of the killers. The DNA evidence on the t shirt is damaging for Pablo and his lawyers aren't hiding it at his trial. It's true. His attorney Kevin Kulik tells the jury Pablo's DNA is on the shirt, and so a Sharon Anderson's, but he says there was someone else's DNA in the fibers to unknown number one. That's what Kulik called him the source of the DNA hasn't been identified. But Kulik tells the jury that DNA belongs to the real killer. Defense lawyers argued that the murder investigation has been tainted by misconduct almost from the start. And there's at least one person out there that police knew about but never pursued. He walked into the Broward sheriff's office after the murders and claimed responsibility for taking Bush Casey's Mercedes from his house and driving it seventy miles north to Palm Beach county where he said on fire near the Florida Everglades. Seth panel says he discovered notation of the alleged confession in police files while he was appealing his conviction on death row two days after the murders. I I wasn't even a suspect. Mr. Eibar wasn't even a suspect. When you have a gentleman at walks into brow sheriff's office, and this guy confesses says, yeah, I burnt the car. My boss told me to do it. How does not arrest him immediately for grand theft auto possession of stolen property doesn't make sense in. Why they don't call West Palm Beach shares office. Hey, we got the guy will blue car. In your county. You arrest them? Then I'm not here. Mr. Eibar is not here that could have been the murderer. But what happens BSO less mango less than twenty four hours later. He's dead. The man's name was Johnny McGill. He was shot to death outside a Miami strip club the day after he gave his brief statement to a deputy. He's in front of a club. They asked him to come out. They kill them co. But that's for me. A lot of answers are in a lot of questions. Don't get answered. Nobody wants to answer these questions whenever you let somebody that confesses to the murder. He dies later. I mean, there's a lot on answer questions here. Prosecutors say that false. Confessions are not uncommon in high profile murder cases by the time. The witnesses statement came to light investigators were already confident they had the right men in custody. The idea of south testifying and Pablos current trial was a potential problem for both the prosecution and the defense he was on the witness list for both sides and his first appearance in the courtroom early in the trial caused waves. The first day of the trial is already dramatic as the testimony draws to a close Broward, Circuit Judge. Dennis Bailey calls the attorneys to the front of the courtroom. And the jury sent out. Judge Bailey tells the lawyers he had been observing the jury during the testimony of an early witness and noticed one of the jurors had fallen asleep. The sleepy juror has to go. Judge Bailey says and the prosecutors and defense lawyers agree just hours into the trial and one of the carefully chosen. Jurors has already been dismissed. On day two of the trial the courtroom. Theatrics continue as a police. Witnesses testifying the courtroom doors open and a bald stocky man with wire framed glasses walks in and takes a seat in the second row directly across from the families of the victims. It takes no time at all for court deputies to recognize that Panella and for the judge to immediately order him to leave the courtroom. The law is clear anyone who was a witness in a criminal case cannot watch the proceedings until after they are called to the stand and Seth was a potential witness for both sides. He was not welcome in the courtroom when prosecutors sat him down for a deposition in twenty eighteen Seth declined to answer their questions pleading his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. But when judge Bailey ordered him out of the courtroom Panella was anything. But silent I was thinking that I could go in there. And just and listen, you know, because. I was opposed to start my trying to and I found some evidence that week before my trial was going to begin. And it totally turned his case around. So may seeing everything that was that was hidden and not revealed and lied about. I wanted to come in and see are they doing the same exact thing? But they wouldn't let me come in. Because I think they know that the prosecution knows that I do have very valuable insight into this case because I lived in breathe it for eighteen and a half years and instead of buying cupcakes. Cookies Honey buns by law books. You know? And I understand it. I understand the law. And I I just wanted to come in there and see for myself. It was if it was going to be the same. And I just wanted to see it from the other side because I was on the on his side, Mr. bar side CNN I just wanted to see how they were operating. This are walked in. I sat down next thing. You know, deputy got up made a big scene in front of the jury. He's like, hey, hey, you gotta go. You gotta go. I mean, these are professionals. They've been doing this a long time. That's a no, no. We know how to go side bar. We know how to. Not to get the jury out. But again, it's the game within the game. You know, I gotta believe that Jesus. Some of these bailiffs been here thirty plus years. They know not to call the scene if they tell everybody before trial not to call the wider day. And you know, they have pictures, you know, they they had a picture of me outside of the door for you know, of any bail of sees me or any armed guards. He's me don't let me in like what what did I do like, I'm medicines. I had I've never caused a problem this courtroom. I never ran. I never threaten anybody. They don't want. The jury to see the truth. They wanna see, you know, they don't want the jury to see me free. Because then what it does is make make people doubt. Doubt the state's theories. So the the bail of told me to go, and I mean, I know I know my rights this is a public court. This is anybody from the pub who come in found not guilty. I wanted to stay in there, and I didn't wanna leave. I wanted an explanation. Why am I being tossed out? So the judge asked the jury leave. The judge asked me leave. And I asked him why? And judge then told me you're on the defense, you're on the state's witnesses and the defense witness list, and you're not allowed legal legally to be in the courtroom because your witness. I said I I mean, I understand the legal the legal delete will block that was put up by state. I understood that, but I still wanted to object for the record because I believe I should be able to be in there. I believe it was a tactic by the state, and I told that to the judge I explained that to him. And he let me know that you're you're. Your objection is noted for the record. And I did tell them, you know, I did make make a statement. You know, you guys don't want to jury see the truth. You guys don't wanna know that Mr. Chuck Morton frame me and hid evidence, and nobody wants the truth here. He asked me to leave. And then I respectfully left. The courtroom drama of the first two days is over and the trial settles into day after day of gritty testimony on day three of the trial. Jurors finally see the grainy video footage that until the DNA discovery was the prosecution's most damaging evidence against Pablo. The brutal scene plays out in front of the court, including enhanced still images of the moment. One of the intruders were veal's his face to the camera later, an assistant medical examiner walks. The jury through the horrifying fatal injuries to Butch Sharon and Marie Murray's mother. Margaret looked straight down as autopsy photos of her slain daughter are displayed on an overhead projector, which is daughter who was ten at the time of the murders. Takes in the testimony and images betraying. No emotion. Then the DNA evidence is shown to the jury whom in a seer an analyst at the Virginia lab that did the testing explains the results that show Pablo's DNA on the t shirt. But Pablo's defense pushes back suggesting that the results could have been tainted by cross contamination touch DNA is after all a new technology and the evidence being tested is decades old. The new DNA result are damning. But if the jury can be given a solid reason to question them Pablo Mamie that much closer to freedom. The defense just needs to present the jury with reasonable doubt. Then the defense tries a tactic that sat panel for us during his retrial, the one that led to his acquittal they go after the surveillance video that all those years ago seemed to show a grainy out of focus Pablo Eibar at the murder scene in early January, rare Evans takes the stand. He's a facial recognition expert from the United Kingdom hired by bars defense team to examine images made from the video Evans tells jurors that a careful comparison of Pablo's features to the man seen on the images proved conclusively in his opinion that they were not the same. Person. Prosecutors for the state of Florida emphasized that the facial recognition expert was offering his opinion. And it was they say a personal opinion rather than a professional won the state even counters with its own expert who concludes that it's impossible to be sure. Whether or not it was Pablo Eibar on the video. In fact, prosecutor Morton argues, it doesn't matter after seven weeks of testimony. What really matters is the forensic evidence. Pablo Eibar left his tee-shirt behind at the murder scene. Worn says, that's the entire case published lawyers repeatedly attacked the DNA results reminding the jury that the evidence could have been contaminated and possibly even manipulated and they make a more emotional plea. It was after all Pablo Eibar who requested the DNA tests on the T shirt eight years earlier, if he was the killer, why would he want investigators to keep looking at such a significant piece of evidence, quote, only an? Isn't person someone who knew he had nothing to lose. What have even considered testing that shirt? Again, Pablo's lawyer tells the jury prosecutor Morton pounces he reminds the jury that Pablo never ask the lab to test the short against his own DNA. It was the state of Florida that made that request who was right. And what did it all add up to that would have to be for the jury to decide at the end of the day on January sixteenth closing statements end. Judge Bailey gives his instructions to the jury and orders them to begin deliberations sequestered behind closed doors. They work for an hour before breaking for the night. The real waiting will begin the next day and for both sides. It's an excruciating day. My name is Tania Eibar I have been married to public for twenty years. This is not it's not easy. I think this is alternately the hardest part of all of this is the waiting now. Again, you this has been given to twelve people. And now you have to wait for them to make a decision, and that is just very unsettling. Tanya was Paulos girlfriend at the time of the murder and has steadfastly supported his innocence. It's obviously been very difficult not anything that. I when I thought about having my future. And you know, when you're kidding, you think about you know, I'm going to be married to this person. You know, we're going to have this, obviously, this was not in my plan of books, but it's this has been very difficult. But aside from that I've had obviously a lot of support. And I think just in general and myself, I tried to remain very positive and try to save ERI strong. So you know, my life is definitely been far from easy. If anything it's it this situation is just a. Very difficult situation. There's so much that, you know, you miss out on there so much that, you know, the average of what people are doing on the weekends, and, you know, enjoying family. We're going on vacations and things like that that you do with your spouse. Obviously, I I don't do those things, you know, I've done a lot of going to the prison visiting public prison, which is not the way you really want to spend your weekend. Seth panel knows what it's like to wait for a jury. He's done it three times before. In the cases, Nickelodeon murder case, it's gut wrenching. He can't eat. It's hard to sleep. Even though you don't get much sleep. It's just, you know, you try to think positive, but it's you know, you you don't know which way you'll never know which way Jerry speaking, I went through three jury trials when you think, you know, you're it's totally opposite. So I kind of gave up on trying to think where the jury is. And you know, you look at it be an innocent person. And having been convicted before and knowing where he's at sitting there, you know, being innocent man, I understand what he's feeling what he's going through like Mike gonna go back to it. I, you know, you know, you look at the numbers I was twenty one. And I mean, he's probably forty five forty six also and it took him from two thousand six until what two thousand nineteen thirteen what almost thirteen years. To get another shot. So it's like, you know, you don't got too many more left in you when you're forty five, you know, the pill pellet processes long drawn out. So you wanna go home, and it hurts your anxiety everything. Dieties were being felt on both sides. Debbie says sitting in waiting for a jury is breathtaking never know what you're going through the five and gosh, offend five six miles and every one of them have been different though, you never know. Right. And you why you help because if you've been in the states or long as I had everything that I have learned that the jury has never been told. And that's the thing. But it is talented when you're the family member, and you have been sitting in Florence and listening to tech on the outside. The jury to know that jewelry will not know them of those things really and insta- liberations. The jury asks to hear the DNA testimony again, it takes the entire morning of Friday January eighteenth. As the waiting resumes, the Aries abound. What was the jury listening for brother? Michael Eibar wonders where they try to convince a hold out to convict or to acquit. What were they discussing the deliberations room at six PM Friday? The jury sent a note to the judge they're done for the day. They want to return to the hotel where they have been sequestered since deliberations began. It could mean that they reached a decision and want to sleep on it. It could mean they're split and tired of arguing it could mean anything deliberations resume Saturday morning, but not for long less than an hour into the day. The jury sent a note to the judge they have reached a verdict. Charlie three to spot in the circuit court in the seventeenth traditional circuit in our county, Florida is ninety four one zero six to CF ten being just dynasty bailing state afford or find a hearses manual environment Bennett. Verdict count line. We the jury five fouls as to count one charging document Bennett is guilty of murder in a I agree as charging charging so cereal's nineteen January to us nineteen at four Arto rally more quarters. Counting ring carry FIS as follows. Document. Martorana. I agree as talks to jogging. So say we all. Or to customer oil, Florida, horrors. Count. Reach five is followed as to count three alleging charging document healty degree in charge. Charging documents sociale stating that does nineteen horn Arar county Simon over. The jury finds Pablo Eibar guilty on all three counts of murder and the cases Nickelodeon case as he is handcuffed by a deputy Pablo. Shakes his head in frustration later. One of his attorneys Benjamin Waxman expressed his disappointment. So disappointed with the verdicts. With with. I thought I talk with my wife all the way here. I thought about all of the different circumstances. And I really I really thought it was going to go away. And it's just been this long journey, and you know, I just feel like if the journey wasn't to find Pablo not guilty to finally bring Justice to him. Then why why why did why did in the order of the world wide? Why did we go through? The conviction of Pablo Eibar brings to an end nearly twenty five year long nightmare for Debbie. Allen ca maintain offense a sanity and a faithful this position then really challenging to to have to go to not just be insult of having repeatedly go through the legal system. But the injury of within this family my twin tire country right money from their government town moralize about someone is though he is some angel that was mistakenly picked off the streets and south Florida. That's angering I don't know in my situation would be angry. Weeks the same jury that convicted Pablo of murdering Sharon Anderson, Marie Rogers and Butch Casey. We'll have to decide unanimously if he should be put to death for the crime, Deb says she'll be there to tell the jury about the sister. She lost on investing. I do with heart. I don't have a grip on going back this. But I'm talking to ride it out that I could get through it. But yeah, I think the very least that I do is an opportunity to him the martyr end the jury because he held my sisters and destroyed so much in my own family. Certainly my mom vets with hastened by this you had three forms of cancer. When she died, the stress is I can't put into work so at the title and court. There really isn't you know, people I think when a package take up and say, oh, they finally have closure or maybe they can have Pete. And it's plenty five years later. Can you really that? No. You can't the only thing you can be thankful for is that it seems like it is something end and that individual will never ever ever be free on the street again. So rack had did he and disaster someone else's fight? The only great that's been is that I have a beautiful family at Houston gives me a reason to everyday tell another story about my sister, someone who they never met and to look for ways and enjoy you know, my mind life, right that in sort of abuse heart into see my kids has a has a vest Bali back in the live them. But but there there's there's there's poetic would've at the end of this for anybody. Flown is Florida will keep following Pablo. Ibar case including his sentencing next month. Follow us on social media and your Email to our newsletter felonious, Florida dot com to get updates. Thank you for listening to this special episode of colonial Florida. If you've enjoyed the show, please give us a five star rating on apple podcasts and be sure to tell your friends about our show. It's available online at bologna, Florida dot com. Apple podcasts one dot com or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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The Disappearance of Lisa Spence, Part 2 | 5

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The Disappearance of Lisa Spence, Part 2 | 5

"There's a short road that winds its way through a small subdivision in Miami gardens, Florida. It's called two hundred seven lane. It's just west of the traffic clogged Florida's turnpike, but isn't easy to access. Driving west on the right side of the road are the bungalows and ranches of the vista Verde clusters neighborhood. A stone's throw away the Bank of a canal that creeps along for miles from the Everglades to skin bay in Miami. Clusters of trees and shrubs separate the road from the canal. But just before two hundred and seventy lane abruptly ends as if it was never even finished the bushes part for a dirt path just wide enough for car to access. The path hugs the canal west for several hundred feet and into an open field. It's grassy and scattered with debris tires and other trash. On a sunny December after noon, in two thousand nine police officers are in the field watching to dog sniff around. Ah, Belgium Mellon wa- named riot zeroes in on a barrel beneath some trees jewel elaborate or is heading for the same spot. It's a fifty five gallon, cardboard barrel sealed with metal caps on both ends. Right? And jewel found fast and the police know what to do next. They call in the medical examiner. Riot and jure cadaver sniffing dogs. And they may have just found Lee suspense who hasn't been seen for months. You're probably listening to felonious Florida because you're addicted to true crime stories. So am I? So you need to check out the weather channel's newest TV series called storm of suspicion, which airs Sunday nights at eight eastern seven central. It's unlike anything you've seen on the Weather Channel. Storm of suspicion has everything you love about your favorite true crime shows and documentaries. There's deceipt murder, mystery piecing together the clues, but it has a clever twist done in a way. Only the Weather Channel can possibly do a storm. 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Lisa, a thirty five year old mother of two had finished up before our nightshift at a quick stop convenience store and headed home. Nobody had seen her since. In the days after she disappeared. Investigators had learned that pollen Lisa's relationship had been rocky and that it sometimes got physical. Paul story was simple. Lisa wasn't happy and wanted to end the relationship. She made it home from work and the two got in an argument. Paul went out for a drive to give her time to think when he returned an hour later lease had packed her things and left, but detective suspected. Paul knew more than he was telling them his story wasn't consistent, and the details weren't adding up. So they questioned him. Just saying what you know yet, the stories changing times that's. Changed, and then there's the fact that is always consistent while digits by working all all. No, I did in a cone sake. You want so bad to talk. I can see it in your eyes. You know, better than us. Utterly legal watch with people are driven by work. At work. Guess if she. Other than. Sitting here. Christians that you come on, it's it's not. I think it is if he's not asking you hard questions is ask you, what did you do a certain loom, which in mice questions. Alright with Paul wasn't budging, even when the detectives pointed out inconsistencies in his story told him they'll need to verify everything. He said. Well. Eventually you could have an intercom of that murder. Murder is exactly what detectives were beginning to suspect. Already just a week into the search for Lisa. There was evidence that she hadn't simply packed up and left. There were drops of blood found in the bathroom of Lee, send Paul small apartment on Venetian street in Mira mar. It was on vanity in the bathroom and on the tiles in the tub and on the door frame. Another drop was found inside a rental car that Paul was using around the time that lease. It was last seen detective. Danny Smith says, there was no way to know if the blood was hers with Lisa missing. There was none of her DNA to compare it to. We had none of her property. We couldn't use a toothbrush. We had no hairbrushes. We had no samples that could possibly possibly have Lisa's DNA on them, but they did have a close comparison, something that could at least tell them if they were on the right track. Lisa had a teenage daughter, sir, lean and her DNA could be analyzed for similarities. If the genetic makeup was close, the blood evidence could be linked to. Lisa Serlin had just turned eighteen and she and her younger brother were living with Lisa's mother on the Caribbean island of Trinidad. But as luck would have it when detect his went looking for a sample of her DNA sir, lean was in the United States visiting family in Philadelphia to that point. We, we contact other members of the family. We contact her daughter who is visiting in Philadelphia. We get detectors in Philadelphia to meet with her and take swabs DNA swabs from the daughter. They do the evaluation of the daughter swabs and they get DNA profile from there. We have to take those results to another doctor who specializes in population genetics. Sir, leans DNA profile was compared to the profile from the blood found in Lisa's bathroom and in the rental car. It's a near perfect match. Whoever the blood belonged to was all, but certainly a relative of sir lean. The probability was ninety nine point nine, nine, nine percent. It had to be Lisa's blood. So were kind of looking at the right track in terms of, we know that we have a family member and we know that she that Serlin has no the family members in the state of Florida. And there was also somebody else's DNA in the samples, an unidentified male had left blood in the bathroom and on a mob. But by itself is didn't prove anything. Maybe there would be more hope for finding Lisa by solving the biggest mystery of the whole case. Lisa's family and friends. It started getting strange text messages from her almost as soon as she went missing her friend, Richard more got when the next day he couldn't remember what it said, but he did. No, it was unusual. It was the first time she had ever texted him. And Lisa's brother Dexter vincit had also been getting messages from her. They were riddled with spelling errors and were confusing, almost nonsensical. Richard and Dexter were convinced that it wasn't Lisa who was sending the texts and detectives working the case didn't think so. Either. Whoever was sending the texts from Lisa's phone was making mistakes. One message to Dexter claim that Lisa was in Jacksonville, but her phone was being read by towers about three hundred miles away near Miami in another taxed. The name of Lisa's daughter was spelled wrong, and that wasn't all detectives examining records, discovered that Lisa's phone was never very far from the phone owned by Paul Edwards. They were often sending signals to cell towers near one another. There could only be one explanation detectives thought it was Paul who was sending the text releases phone, supposedly. Paul, Paul either receiving or sending texts to Lisa looking at it from an investigative point of view. I look and say, he probably has both phones in the car with him and he's just making these tax. But if Paul was doing it, why. Detectives believe they knew the answer. They just needed a way to prove it. So they came up with a plan to turn the tables on Paul Edwards. Just a brainstorming session sitting around saying, I don't know. What do you think shot in the dark for this now? That's not gonna work. How about this now? That's not gonna work. This is brought up. All right. Well, let's see legally for allowed to do it. It was a plan sold bowl than unusual detectives. Didn't even know if it was legal. No one in our unit has ever done it. And I'm believe even some members of the state attorney's office where a little taken aback by it because it was not a common request. The plan was brought to a judge who gave it a green light. There was no guarantee. It would crack the case, but detective needed to try something. It was going to be a complicated operation that requires some technological magic, multiple police agencies and lots of patients. But the premise was simple enough. Detective Smith was going to pretend to be Lisa and Paul was about to hear from his missing girlfriend. Felonious Florida is brought to you by simply safe home security. Simply safe is a fantastic security system providing great protection for your home, but before simply safe home security companies were getting away with a lot. 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They don't have leases phone, but they are going to need it. All they need is a phone. That's when programmed with her number basically a clone. We told me the idea to text Paul from phone that we purchased that would look like it came from Lisa, I completed quarter and I asked for the personal telephone information from Lisa Spence, and we didn't have her phone. So we had to go through the phone company to say, what what's the basically the ID number for her phone give us transfer to this particular phone that we bought. They had permission from a judge and now they had a phone that was programmed with Lisa's number. And then it was a matter of just logistics how we're gonna do this. We're going to call them. Do we send him attached DUI, do surreal, how are we gonna work workers? They decided a text message was the best option, but what would it say and how do they make it sound like a message Lisa would send it had to be genuine upon speaking with her friends and family. They all say she never tax. She if she does, it's very quick. She asked how she speaks normally the person to person and how she speaks on text or phone. And they said that sometimes she'll get were wrong, so it would have to be short and it would need to have a mistake, a grammatical error or a misspelling. He settles on six words and plots out the rest of the operation on Thursday, November fifth, two thousand nine. It's Showtime. It's a massive surveillance operation. Nearly every detective on the Miramar force is involved. The county sheriff's office and the US Marshall service are assisting an airplane circles overhead equipped with infrared sensors and capable of taking images from the sky. They suspect policy at the home of his mother and stepfather just a half mile from the apartment where he lived with Lisa. I knew the car he was driving in. I knew that he was staying with his with his parents. So we set up on his parents house Suming that he was there was a big assumption. So was worried in the sense that we were sitting on the wrong house. He's driving around somewhere and we have no idea where is that? They take a gamble and set up the surveillance on Paul's mother's house. If he's there, they'll be ready to track him. The moment, the Tex-Mex dissent from the Miramar police station detective Smith types it into the clone of Lee suspensive cellphone. Just wait till I got better. It's simple cryptic and contains one error God, instead of get. He pushes send my chromatic when he saw tech, Steve, pretty much freaked out. The trap is set and they watch and they wait. Not knowing what what, what Paul had done to Lisa. I figured one of two things that happened one. He could get his car and drive to where he possibly placed her or to pick up the phone and call me and say, by the way, Lisa is not missing. She's fine. She just called me. Paul didn't call detective Smith. But after several hours they're gamble pays off. Paul finally steps out of the house and into the surveillance operation. He climbs into his mother, silver, Toyota Camry, and drives off for the next six hours. Police will track every move. Paul makes reporter one or take a describes the surveillance operation reading court documents about how the police wanted to follow Paul. It's clear that they're not skipping any step in. They're gonna make sure that they're not gonna lose Paul, and they're talking about having seven, eight up to ten Miramar detectives ready to follow him. And even more than that, they have US marshals sitting in cars ready to follow Paul, and they also reach out to the sheriff's office which has this what they call a fixed wing aircraft, which was high tech, especially going back to two thousand nine. This aircraft can retire altitudes and still record video. Way down on the ground. So you come away knowing that once they see Paul, they're not gonna lose him. So I wish we could say it was. It was like a like a Spielberg type of thing where we just touched something and the map would come up. But it was me with a laptop computer and Google maps up and radio that was essentially, but. We were able to all communicate and follow him. To where he didn't know that he was being followed. Paul's six hours under police surveillance were seemingly random. He drives to several locations stopping and driving again. And he went on maybe a five or six hour ordeal where he drove around to bunch of different cities stopped came back home when to a friend's house drove around some more. And at the same time, we were either surveilling him where we had a real support that was watching him. So we knew exactly where he was going where he stopped as the day turns to night. He's not making it easy for police to keep up. They have no idea whether Paul even received the tax they sent from Lisa's number, but he sure was driving as if he knew he was being followed. And the way that Paul was driving that night was extremely Radic. We believe he was on what's called a heat run, which you believe that you're being followed by the police. So you make a bunch of turns u-turns, go down dead end streets and see if you're being followed. So without the cooperation of all those different agencies, we wouldn't have been able to follow him. As well as we did over dozens of miles and through several cities. Paul leads them from place to place. He goes to Amun Tura near the senior living center where he works as a concierge, but he doesn't stop. He drives past the crowded high end onto our a mall, but doesn't stop there either. He returns to Miramar stops at a friend's house, then goes back home. Then he's on the move again driving to another friend's house in Miami gardens while he's doing all this, everyone relaying back where he's at and giving information like Molly just drove by some dumpsters. I make a note. Lets check that dumpster. Let's check this open field from Miami gardens. Paul filing drives back to his mother's house and doesn't come back out the surveillance operation ends at exactly midnight. Paul never responded to the tech sent from Lisa's phone. Still Paul's drive on November. Fifth, seemed unusual and detectives began the tedious task of retracing his movements. They searched every place he stopped. It was like looking for a needle in a haystack. But in this case there were a lot of haystacks. They didn't even know what they were looking for. They canvassed empty lots and fields in Ventura and Miramar. The search was turning up nothing. It took them weeks to move all the places Paul stopped before making it to the last. Toward the end of the day, he had gone to the home of a woman he used to work with. She lived in your two hundred. Seventh lane in the visa Verde clusters subdivision and Miami gardens. It was dark when Paul got there, but the aircraft flying overhead was tracking his heat signature into the house. His co worker had asked Paul to fix her stove. He stopped by three or four times a November and early December to work on it. Most of the times if she would call him on the phone or he would just call moments before to say he was coming over. We didn't know anything about the residents or the resident. Ultimately, after the surveillance operation, we went back in our investigation and we stopped at every area that he stopped or drove by anyhow homes that he stopped that we went and we spoke with them and the people that we spoke to very cooperative the. Female in the area in Miami gardens was darkwa positive. She stated that Paul stop by because he was gonna install some sort of an appliance at our at our apartment said it was weird because she had asked him to do this allow ago and just out of the blue. He just happened to stop by. So that was one of the areas that we were concerned with an ultimately the last area that we that we looked, obviously it's about a ten minute drive from Paul's mom's place, and he stayed at the friends house for just nine minutes. Her house has a fenced in backyard that butts in open field next to a canal. She tells police that during one of Paul's visits, he had stood in her yard and asked if it was well lead at night. She told him at was she had floodlights and security cameras. The field however, is dark at night. The sandy grass lot is empty. Save for piles of debris power lines and clusters of trees. If you look to the east hard rock stadium home of the Miami. Dolphins looms over the Bank of the canal, just two miles away to the west. The canal disappears into a flat Florida horizon. Few people would have any reason to visit here. Perhaps occasional workers who show up to survey the land, cut the grass, or remove trash. We try to whole bunch of fields throughout Avin shoora Miramar. Hollywood. It was time now to go to an area over by Miami gardens where where he drove to public data on the map, we noticed that by the canal there's a large area looks desolate. Let's go check it out. It appears the whole surveillance operation will come down to this field. If police leave with nothing, it was a massive wasted effort. The search dogs riot and jewel are sent out into the field just like other dogs had been at locations. Paul stopped on the night of the surveillance and this time there's a little bit different. The dogs picked up on a scent really quick and they almost immediately were able to alert on a fifty five gallon barrel that was pushed up against some trees riot finds it first, but jewel isn't far behind. These dogs are trained to signal or alert if they find a scientific dead body, given their reactions to the barrel. Police are certain, that's what they found. So it's basically like a coded cardboard, but it has metal rings on the ends where you can actually make make the the barrel. Airtight while looked like it had been outdoors for while it was still intact. A group of workers loads the unopened barrel into the back of a white truck and drives to the medical examiner's office there. It's carefully cracked open. The gruesome discovery inside officially turns. The disappearance of Lisa Spence into a murder investigation. Hi, this is Sean pits from the flowness Florida team. You spend a third of your life in your sheets. Are you getting the best possible? I know I am because I sleep and she's from Brooklyn in dot com. I bought my Brooklyn in luck sheet bundle. Over a year ago in the sheets are still just as soft and luxurious. 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I think it's safe to say that thirty three times stabbing someone is overkill. The first person that you're gonna look at someone who's in relationship with the victim because that's a a. Very intimate type act. And if if a random stranger want someone dead, they normally going to stab them enough times to kill them, not overkill. If this was the work of Paul Edwards, the text message coulda frightened him enough to check the field where the barrel was found and detective Smith believes Paul did just that waiting until the cover of darkness. I don't believe he thought she was still alive. I'm fairly certain of that. I think that him leaving and driving all these areas possibly one to to make sure that he's not being followed until alternately goes to the area where she was dumped in Miami gardens. And Secondly, when he drives by Miami gardens, I imagine he's probably looking for police lights, crime scene, investigators. Fire engine. Something that would show oboe. She's been found and I don't know what to do at this point. That's just my speculation. There was very little doubt that the body found in the barrel was Lee suspense, but the head was missing and the condition of the body made it impossible to lift fingerprints, detectives needed proof. It was Lisa blood and tissue samples were sent to a lab for DNA testing. The condition of the body made, even that a challenge. One big step that took some time actually took the most time is identifying these remains as Lisa because. The fact that the barrel was secured so well was good and bad, good because it preserved everything where were animals weren't able to get to Lisa. It actually preserved her body as it was. The bad thing is because she was in that barrel for so long, and it was close to airtight. The DNA and they're degraded to the point where we were unable to get gain a Sam or I'm sorry, we were unable to get a DNA profile. So it took multiple times of bone marrow and taking some of her femur and taking some long leg muscle. These are all parts of the body that whole DNA the longest. And it took having to go through basically everything that we could to to get an accurate DNA profile. There were also rings found in the barrel. One of them was a toe ring that was still on the body and Lisa liked wearing jewelry. Detectives were traveling to turn it out as part of the investigation to learn more about Paulin, Lisa. So the us the opportunity to show a picture of the touring to Liza's daughter, sir, lean. The ring is unique and surly recognize it immediately. Looked at it and said that that's my mom's to- rang I, I know for fact, that's ours. So that right there was very important with with one being able to identify her and two for core purposes saying we have a victim in this is our victim that was one of many different little things that we're able to use identifier. Back in Florida. The identification gets stronger. The DNA from samples taken from the body in the barrel are compared to the DNA of Lisa's daughter. They're a close match. An expert concludes the body was indeed Lisa's, where will to positively identify the remains found in the barrel as Lisa Spence. Obviously, you can imagine how important that is when it comes to trial, we can't have a trial for homicide if we can identify the victim. So that was very important. Kesse George lives across the street from Paul Edwards and Lisa spent on benishi street. She's lived there for about ten years. She's friendly with Lisa, but barely knows Paul who seems to prefer to keep to himself two days after Lisa was last seen Kesse is heading to church. It's October ninth two thousand nine a. Friday. She notices Paul is driving a new Toyota Highlander SUV it strikes her that he's driving such a nice car and thought Lisa and Paul must be doing well. Kesse doesn't know the highlanders rental. She leaves for church at about six PM and returns at about nine while she's outside talking to another neighbor. She sees Paul's white SUV backed up into a spot in front of their apartment building. It isn't how he usually parks. Then she sees Paul loading large garbage bags into the back based on how Paul was holding the bags, Kesse suspected. They were heavy at the time. She thinks maybe he's taking items down to Miami where the annual care Byan festival called carnival is taking place that weekend. The next time she looks across the St Paul and the SUV are gone. They're back the next morning and this time the scene is even more suspicious. When kessel wakes up Saturday, the son had just come up. She looks through the blinds of her window and sees Paul's SUV's back parked straight in how it usually is. Paul isn't around, but the back door to the SUV's open and kassy's small, white cooler and a bag sitting inside. And there's a container sitting on the ground next to the SUV waiting to be loaded inside. It's the barrel. And somebody else had actually seen the barrel inside pollen leases. Apartment police had learned that Lisa used it to ship items back to our children and family and Trinite at sixteen hundred miles away. A friend. One of the few that Paul allowed inside his apartment had seen it there. According to Lisa's family and friends. It was very common for both. Lisa and Paul to send back goods clothing, maybe some some food products to the family members that are living in Trinidad and the the us that Beryl as basically the conveyance for all those goods. There is a very important witness. We were able to meet with a friend of leases, and this friend is one of the few people that were actually allowed in the resident shared by Paul. And Lisa evidently Paulo is very over protective of his property over protective of Lisa. He didn't want her hanging out with anyone, but there are couple of female friends at least had that were allowed inside the house. This particular female remembers being in the home. Shortly before Lisa went missing and ultimately was killed. And she was inside the residence and remembered seeing a fifty five gallon drum that's described exactly as the one that we've found. This is body. Police are closing in on Paul Edwards by January twenty ten more than two months. After Lisa's disappearance. Paul had hired a lawyer and he would need one. Police suspected that the blood of an unidentified man that was found inside the Venetian straight apartment belong to Paul. They needed proof but hadn't found enough reason to convince a judge to order Paul to contribute a DNA sample for testing. With Lisa's body found they had enough to get the warrant and detectives headed out to swap Paul's mouth. On January twenty. First detective Smith knocks on Paul's mother's door. Paul, you're on speakerphone with your. Thank you. I want to. Bilbao easing your body. So they're allowed to take your body Alice war. So they're gonna take it to the police. Quickly. All the call me. Okay. When the results of the DNA tests come back, it's looking bad for Paul Edwards. His blood matched the blood found in the bathroom, and it matched blood on the mock detectives believed. It was used to clean up the murder scene. The dots had been connected. Police and prosecutors believed Paul attacks Lisa in their apartment likely with a knife. She had many defensively on our on our hands, which obviously lens to the fact that we know it's very common for someone who commits stabbing to actually get cuts on their on their own hands. The fact that he had cuts on his hands when we first spoke with him. Another red flag. Interviewing his co workers and friends. They say they met with Paul. They asked him, wise hands were bleeding or not bleeding, but why he had cuts on his hands. And he said, I was just cutting some chicken and accidentally cut myself. Those are things that you don't cut yourself on the hands multiple times because you're cutting chicken. He stabbed her more than thirty times mostly in her chest stomach arms. He removed her head and stuffed her body into the barrel. Lisa kept in the apartment for shipping the reason that he did it. I don't know. He's a pretty decent sized guy. He's strong and I would venture to say that looking at the injuries of Lisa's neck that a lot of what went towards the decapitation was probably strong stab wounds, and it just kind of went from there. He loaded the barrel into his rental SUV and dumped it in the field next to the canal. Despite extensive searches Lisa's head has never been found. on April fourteenth, twenty ten. Paul Edwards was arrested and charged with killingly suspense. It took more than five years to bring Paul's case to trial and it lasted for a month, but it took the jury just three and a half hours to make its decision. They found him guilty of first degree murder. Paul's lawyers noticed how nice he was to them. His demeanor didn't match the violent way. Lisa was killed. Joseph Carey and James represented him. I remember when I first met Paul immediately liked him because he reminded me so much of my father. My father just passed may be. This is July. My father had passed may be seven months before we tried this case in July of twenty fifteen. And so Paul reminded me so much of my dad, very straight laced, very respectful. Think the entire time that I represented him, he only ever called me miss James, never by my first name because he just felt like I had, I had a role in his life. I was his attorney and I deserve the respect of the last name with the title of which is something like that would have done. Father was in the Jamaican Constabulary force. So they had a lot of similarities. He's very straight laced, very clean cut. He was also really spiritual guy. You could always find Paul quoting scripture or wanting to discuss some bible verse that he had read, which was something that I liked. 'cause I'm woman the faith. And so it was it was it media report with Paul because of that? The two things just didn't jibe to me the way Paul presents and his demeanor that was unwavering the entire time that I interacted with him and then the gruesome rage filled nature of this killing, adjust the. They didn't seem to go together. But the jury didn't agree Terry doll as a sixty eight year old, hairdresser, grandmother of six who moved from Detroit to Florida in nineteen seventy six. She was on the jury. Terry was convinced by all of the heirs Paul had made after the murder, leaving behind blood in the apartment and on the v. spelling sir, leans name wrong. The barrel leaving his phone close to Lisa's when he was texting. And she believed Paul's background as a prison guard, gave him knowledge for how to cover his tracks. So how he could Mara her like that and then cut her head off. And I, I think he cut her head off. So the harder to identify her body if it was over. He knew he, he do how to try to get away with murder. So I'm glad you know, I'm glad he's in jail, and he deserves to be in jail to me, he was guilty without a reasonable doubt. The defense also argued that police targeted Paul early in the investigation and never looked into other possible suspects like the man Lisa was seeing behind Paul's back at the time of her disappearance. Shuki Lopez Sakina told police that he and Lisa were planning to run away together. They had even talked about getting married and he was one of the last people to have seen lease alive. Paul's lawyers told jurors that chicane could be the one responsible for leases death, so they weren't happy when they learned that chicane was missing and they were even more upset when they learned in the middle of the trial that he was dead. In fact, Shaquille Lopez had been murdered. It was less than two years before Paul's trial. Chicane was shopping at a store in Miami gardens. The same city where leases body was found as he and a friend left the store and headed toward their car. A man walked up to them pulled a gun and shot keen in the neck, killing him. There were no surveillance cameras around. Chicanes friend told police, he recognized the gunman, but the man he identified had strong alibi and the charges were dropped. Phyllis. Cook also represented Paul Edwards. She says, chicanes murder, came as a surprise, the defense team and the fact could have strengthened Paul's defense. We did not know he was dead. We did not know he was Mark. It just seems a little bit suspicious to us that that particular case was not mentioned before. Certainly. I believe the jury should have known that he was not just that he was deceased as they believe, but that he actually murdered. The murder of Shaquille Lopez remains unsolved today. Paul's lawyers argued that the police focused on Paul and Dolittle to checkout chicane story. Detective. Danny Smith says that's not true. They verified chicanes alibi and he was quickly ruled out. We met with him and we were able to get his alibi for the time that we believe that she went missing and checked his cellphone records in compares into the cell phone records that we had from Paul and Lisa and they didn't match. Ultimately, what brought down Paul Edwards was the same thing. He used a cover up, vicious crime, a cell phone, and it's chilling tax from the dead. Paul's lawyers say there's no way to know for sure whether Paul ever saw the taxed but police suspect Paul was so terrified. He led them straight to Lisa's body and the evidence fell into place from there. The resources and commitment police put into cracking the case was a surprise to Lisa's mother, Margaret Spence. Lisa was far from her home in Trinidad, and Margaret doubted police in America put much effort into solving her murder. In my opinion, I of league. Seeing the Trinidadian. But then he missed short time, you know, but then it's our food, the four years. And you know, I thought nothing a modem in island needs the fries and stone them with these detectives was so popular with with us my father. And I in me. Me that just giving the none of that me the family. But of course, there. On magnum and I didn't see how. You know, you got those. I appreciate it. Like on. Much memory. I think about their minute writing. All right. Again, beating all come, none. Cray attack. I think that's still still. Paul Edwards was sentenced to life in prison for killingly suspense. This year, the Florida Supreme Court refused to consider his final chance for an appeal. Thanks for listening to this episode of colonial Florida. The conclusion of the disappearance of Lee suspense next week, we'll go into the darkest corner of the sunshine state that we've explored yet with an extraordinary new story. It's one of Florida's most notorious cases when Marlene more answered a late morning, knock on her door on Memorial Day weekend in nineteen ninety. A clown delivering flowers and balloons was smiling back at her, but her delight instantly turned to horror when the cloud pulled a gun aimed and fired police jumped on the trail of the killer clown immediately. But the investigation went cold for twenty eight years. Our reporters have dug into the case and found never before revealed information that will leave you be wilder. Why did it take three decades for police to finally make an arrest in his terrifying murder. Listen next week for the killer clown of Wellington. 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The Disappearance of Lisa Spence, Part 1 | 4

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The Disappearance of Lisa Spence, Part 1 | 4

"Edwards is that his mother's house when the tax comes into his phone, it's November fifth, two thousand nine. His mom's just a half mile from his small efficiency apartment in the sprawling suburban city of Miramar, Florida. The Texas from Paul's girlfriend of many years. He and thirty five year old. Lisa spends met long ago in the Caribbean island of Trinidad. Just off the northern coast of South America. Paul persuaded Lisa to move to Florida. So they could be together in the year since they've had their ups and downs. Lately, it's been a lot of downs. Lisa's text to him. This Thursday seems simple enough. If cryptic it says, just wait till I got better. But it's not so much what her message says that stunning. It said he got a text from her at all. Lisa spent had vanished a month ago after returning home from a night shift at work. Nobody has seen her since. And now from out of the blue, she's texting Paul Edwards. From the south Florida sun sentinel in association with one very, this is baloney as Florida. The podcast that leads you into the dark side of the sunshine state. I'm your host, Kate Austen along with reporter Ortega. And this is part one of the disappearance suspense. Bella beauty supply sits in the middle of tiny strip mall. That's typical of so many others around Florida. It's painted stark white with a flat low roof on one side is a quick stop convenience store on the other side is a chiropractor as office, a tiny hair salon and shop offering psychic readings. The entire strip mall has enough parking spots for no more than thirty cars, small airplanes buzz overhead landing and taking off from tiny north Perry airport directly across the street, a large neon open sign hangs on Bellas double doors. It's two windows are covered with posters of smiling. Women modeling hair weaves and Hairsprays. Lisa Rhonda Spence works there when the manager needs her off and on Fridays and Saturdays, she also works at the quick stop next door where she's a cashier. That's where she is on the night of October seventh, two thousand nine on a four hour shift. She works hard holding both jobs to support our family from afar. Especially your seventeen year old daughter, thirteen year old son. She hopes to save enough money to someday move them from Trinidad to Florida. She dreams of the three of them living together in America. On that Wednesday night. She takes a break from her shift at the quick stop to call her daughter and Trinidad. Sixteen hundred miles away. Surly is just a few days from her eighteenth birthday leases at work. So she can't talk for long. She promises she'll call sir. Lean back later by eleven that night. She hasn't. Sisterly calls her back and she calls and she calls. No answer from her mom. She tries again the next morning and again, no answer. It's unusual behavior for Lisa Spence, something must be wrong. Lisa's scheduled to work a shift at the strip mall that morning, but she doesn't show up. Her co workers and her boss don't even get a call from her. Lisa responsible employees and has many people in her life who matter to her. Family kids, friends who love her. Days pass, and none of them sees Lisa. She's vanished. It took a few days for word to reach. Lisa sister-in-law, Philadelphia. Averell Absalom is falling asleep. Late Saturday night when a relative calls from Trinidad to say, Lisa is nowhere to be found. Ever get some sleep. But as soon as she wakes up in the morning, her mind, races about release could be. That's strange. And you know, I think I. And sending money. I got up in course Trinidad. Again, I said that you should tell me this and she said, yes. And then I m coming off the phone and then I called 'cause I didn't know. I mean, I know anymore Florida Averell decides to call the police. So I just called Aaron. I thought she wasn't. So anyhow, I put sponsor for like two or three. These three things. And then I finally got the right spot. She tries several different numbers before she reaches an officer and is a lucky break. Averell explains the situation another missing person to any other cop, but not to the officer on the other end of the line. This officer is a regular customer at the quick stop. He knows Lisa, it was just amazing because I got the and I spoke to also and he says, I'm describing, I kinda hot name, but I think she was. And then he starts, oh, I know still, you can't sit here. It's like going to that soul. I know. I know exactly what you're talking about. The quick stop is popular with other police officers too. So when they hear about Lisa's disappearance, they start an investigation. Lisa spent is officially missing person. Officer Mark to Angelo, has been on the force for three years. He's one of the quick stop regulars the store was in his assigned patrol area. So he stopped by often enough that he knows all the employee's there. He stopped in as usual on the Saturday after Lisa had gone missing. The cashier that night told him that Lisa hadn't been seen in days and the everybody in the store was worried about her. More officers got involved and over the next few days, five of them were asking around and checking on the places where Lisa could have been. Mark Saint fort was another of them. He's thirty six and had been with Miramar police for seven years. On a Thursday night. Several days after Lisa was last seen. He took an audio recorder to the strip mall where Lisa worked. The quick stop and Bella beauty supplier owned by the same family. And the manager is a man named Muhammad. Awad. He's Lisa's boss officer Saint fort interviewed Mohamed just after midnight. Lisa mowing the last time you saw her. Actually, she is. Oh, really? Special supply. Plus she's here all the time. She she know what we need are like for our. Okay. How many times? I mean times we help you out. It depends in in my tuition here like the lousy work here come on. Okay, four hours. Yeah, for okay, Mohammed tells officer Saint forth that it's unlikely to not show up at work without calling him. I. Definitely definitely fishes that no one has heard from a senior shit. Have any other family down in if you know of. Here in in Florida. Here's flory no. I'm ready for anyhow. But before the interview was over Mohammed Gibbs officers, Saint Ford, some odd information and a possible trail to follow. A friend who's often in the quick stop toll Mohammed that he got a text from releases phone the day after she failed to show up for work. His name is Richard more. He was a regular at the store and met Lisa, at least a year earlier there. The sixty three year old became friends with her almost a fatherly figure. This is officer Saint for recording his interview with Richard about Lisa's disappearance and her taxed. I seen her Wednesday. I stayed glass with the girls and help. Home store friend of mine. So when a girl I stay with them and I stayed with her like seven thirty five on Wednesday, at least I'm gonna go with the other guy Kamenz longest rest. I get big old homes. I get big old homes. I'll see you tomorrow. Muhammad or somebody Lisa call. I said, no. So does your four Celeste Drake, oh, she was a good move on everything, you know. So I called. Lisa, I'm worried about you give me a call. That was about four client. We not real Surena time. Nothing about five o'clock replies theory. I got to the mix. Race it are. They now know it you normal everyday. I want clear message in the next morning star. There something I've been trying to think what word would in says soon settled, and I'll give you a call in the blank may nothing. I've tried legal mass electric couple messaged after that for awhile of at least on worrying about you, please give me a call, you know, I love you. A little far. The kid. Tour nothing. So I hope investors after call me and then after while. If we suspense had disappeared, how and why was she sending text messages to Richard more. And is there anybody else getting them. Felonious Florida is brought to you by simply safe home security. Simply safe is a fantastic security system providing great protection for your home, but before simply safe home security companies were getting away with the law. They were overcharging for outdated complicated systems and trapping people in pricey contracts that changed ten years ago when an electrical engineer named Chad Lawrence had a few friends who were burglarized they wanted to Curie, but there weren't any good options. So Chad started SimpliSafe. He got rid of the hidden fees and contracts. He made simply safe intuitive and easy to use. 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But a rematch is in the middle of the island far from the tourist and business centers. Some families still live in basic wooden huts. Most of the homes, they are small buildings, two or three stories. They're painted with bright Caribbean colors. Usually with clay tiles for roofs lease. It was raised their a middle child with five brothers and sisters. They all lived in a house with their mom and dad. Some of the kids had to share the same bed growing up, Lisa enjoyed going to the beach and she loved doing with her mom and her family just like other families on the island hers, very tight knit. As soon as she finished high school, she went right to work to earn money by the nineteen nineties. Lisa was living in a housing development of few minutes outside of Reema. She's five foot, six Brown eyes, long black hair. She had her daughter cer- lean when she was young. Just seventeen, sir. Leans father was Averell app, Salam's Br. Other Lisa met Admiral for the first time around nineteen ninety four. I'm Lisa Philadelphia. Certainly, it's my niece. She's my father's daughter. Yes, my brother and, and Lisa, what you got for a long time. I'm looking forward to meeting. Because my niece, she was still gorgeous pretty baby, and I knew my relationship with her and. I, you know, my metal, she, she was very nice road. I thought I was very nice. Polices relationship with our brother eventually ended a relationship with another man led to Lisa's son, five years after lean. It was some time. Many years later when Lisa met the man who would eventually lead her to Florida. Lisa met Paul Edwards and Trinidad, though. It's not clear exactly when Paul had three kids from prior relationships with two other women. He was a corrections officer who worked in Trinidad's prison system. Some described him as friendly and courteous. He was eight years older than Lisa. Lisa, and Paul grew closer and eventually moved into an apartment together along with leases, daughter and son. They lived happily at first, but the relationship started getting more tense over the years. Paul and Lisa had started to fight. Often, the fights would sometimes get physical damage. One of abused the, I'm like with all used woman, you know, he would come back and you to jive and he would save never do this again kiss, and then she would go right back with him. And so that happened quite a one. The couple would break up then get back together. It happened several times, but finally their rocky relationship reached an end. They split up and their lives went down different paths. Lisa landed a well paying job and was supporting her kids. Paul reunited with the mother of two of his children and the two packed up and moved from Trinidad to Florida. In two thousand three. The couple's reunion, however, would be short-lived despite moving to the US together Paul and the other woman argued and split up just six months later. Soon. Paul turned his attention back to Lisa. He wanted to try again. This time would be different. He started calling Lisa from Florida and urged her to come, join him. There are so many opportunities tell her. She'd be happy here. One day, Lisa finally agreed. She packed her bags, left her kids in the care of her mother and other family and headed to the sunshine state. She seem off to Florida for like many. One year and then the next year she funny moved to Florida, but she, I think, wait a decision to shoot change for that or should she come, you know, to to some make a better nice children. She came up here. She was promised. You know, as far as I know, many things, you know, you would move to America. You can world your children to come live with you and I, it seems that's what she was promised. And she came and she made a decision to leave. She suddenly having good job in Trinidad, and she wound, you know, decent salary on there. But you know, she lives in courage to come up here just so she don't have a better life. Fuck it. I think I was that was part of the promise to package up. You know, to that is issue come to Marika. The catch is eventually able to join. They were getting married and then everything we taking care of being full. Once in Florida, Lisa moved into Paul's apartment in Miramar. It was in a multifamily building on Venetian street apartment be was a tiny unit. You walk into the front door and straight into the living room. The small kitchen is just footsteps away. There's a closet along a hallway which leads to the only bedroom and bathroom. You can walk around the entire place in seconds. It didn't matter lease and Paul didn't get many visitors. The apartment is right behind the strip mall where Lisa would soon land work at the quick stop and beauty supply store. It took her less than a minute to walk to the shops. It was important to. Earn, huh? Own money. And she, you know, she didn't mind working extra hours and things like that. Lisa and Paul lived out their daily lives in that little apartment. It's where they were living the daily savannah. Police officers knocked on the door of apartment be shortly after Lisa went missing, Paul was home and let them in Danny Smith has been on the Miramar police force since nineteen ninety seven. He began doing road patrol when he joined the department, but moved up to working homicide investigations within a few years. At the time that Paul Edwards was letting officers into his apartment. Detective Smith hadn't yet been assigned to the investigation. It's just a missing persons case hold actually went to our missing persons unit. Initially, there was the the welfare check that was called in and two of our missing persons detectives went to horizons. Obviously, it's first base, you're gonna check, knock on the door and make contact with polymers. It didn't take long for officers to see problems with Paul story. Things weren't adding up. They returned two days later with more questions. He keeps telling police that Lisa broke up with him and moved out, spoke with Paul. They got a weird dive from day. Guy with us. When I say I mean side unit and said, hey, this is what we have. What he has said. And as soon as we heard the story and I guess some of his odd behavior. Answers to questions that he gave the Nissim persons detectives. We immediately took over. Both times Paul at the officers inspect the apartment. They checked to see if Lisa left any belongings behind or maybe a forwarding address, any clue that could reveal where she went. I think a lot of it was intuition. There was a couple of his, his enters too, where she is was. I don't know we, she broke up with me and she, she just picked up and left really. Do you know where she went. You know, how did she get her stuff out of here? She doesn't have a car. His answers were ignored. She just got up and left. Lisa never needed a car in Florida work was right around the corner. He was slightly nervous which is by any by itself as it is what it is. People are nervous talking with the police, the pause behavior, and his statements were making police suspicious. Maybe this was more than a simple disappearance. So homicide detective Smith took over the investigation. It's about a week after Lisa vanished and detective Smith and other investigators decide they need more answers from Paul Edwards. They find him at his mother's home, just a mile and a half from his apartment. He agrees to go back to the police station for questioning. It's their police. Notice Paul has some injuries that they want him to explain. They take photographs of a cut on his left forearm. And another on the inside of his right pinky finger. We actually call him in. We bring him in and immediately red flags come up. He has cuts on his hands that look like. They are maybe a couple a couple of days old. They're not completely scabbed over. However, you could tell their recent. Pause an explanation for the cuts, but it only raises more questions. He tells police that he and Lisa have argued and fought in the past. About a week before she disappeared, at least a threatened him with a knife. He says he was protecting himself and was cut when he tried to grab the knife away from Lisa. And he says they fought again the night lease ahead last been seen. He. Tells us a story that they got an argument and they, she decides to leave. According to Paul, Lisa told him that she was breaking up with him and leaving that night. He said, he decided to give her some time to gather her belongings. He left the apartment and drove around his neighborhood for an hour and a rental car. But by the time he returned home lease, it was gone. So were her things is no idea how she moved it? She she has no vehicle and we thought that was kind of odd because if someone's gonna leave for the rest of their lives, they're probably going to call somebody and ask for some help help moving. And at the same time, it's probably gonna take a little bit more than our Paul tells detective Smith. He hasn't seen or heard from Lisa sense. Police are dubious of Paul story, and they're starting to piece together a dark picture of his relationship with Lisa. Paul admitted to them, they had fought and their fights had been physical. And as they talk to other people in Lisa's life, the picture becomes more clear as as we started working our best Gatien leases, close friends were coming forward and saying that he he's been abusive physically verbally, and they know this information, however, was it. It was never told to the police. Her friends had many stories about violence. Lisa's friend from the quick stop. Richard more was one of them. Richard was friends with the store's owner and was there a lot. He liked helping out the workers. They even gave him a nickname daddy. He's not sure were daddy came from, but it stuck. He told officers Saint forth. Paul was abusive and that Lisa was trying to find a way out of the relationship. Guy, shoo. On here. I guess couple months time. I'm not good at time, but he was slapping around and then you get telling me she got to get out of this mess and stuff. And she was asking my opinion. I told her love once they start that they never stop. I'm Richard wasn't the only person to describe Lisa situation in the weeks leading up to her disappearance. Another person recounted a past incident that was more chilling. There was one friend in particular that Lisa called and met with him. One time he lives in the area. She had said that she was sleeping and woke up to Paul standing over her and you had telephone core, grab dry throat. And he wasn't really putting a whole lot of pressure but enough to where woke up and he lied to know why Paul was upset, but she did know that she woke up to a quarter on her neck and he made it clear to her that she needs to do what he says or else he's going to use this court on. Her my October of two thousand nine. Lisa had had enough of the abuse. She planned to end it with Paul. She was going to leave. She told friends, but she just needed the right time. She wanted to leave when Paul wasn't around. Backpack on take off for fancy. Got. But it was difficult to find the right time. Paul kept calling in sick from work, so he was home a lot and she didn't want to try to leave while he was there. And when Paul wasn't working, he was coming into the quick stop more often likely to check on Lisa. Richard Moore recalled seeing him. Early-morning drinking never noticed. Drink forty started drinkin- what town Mike. Let me like in the war on our like, you know, saying nine ten you like holiday early, but you know, drinking. Was Lisa afraid of Paul. That key question comes up while these boss Mohamed is describing Paul and Lisa to police. Told you that she was in fear of ham or skis. She told you that. But there was something else going on in Lisa's life that police were about to discover. There was another man. Hi, this is mccade Austin, audiobooks. Motivate us. Inspire us, even bring us closer together and there's no better place to listen than audible. Audible has the largest selection of audiobooks on the planet. 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Chakib said he and Lisa had been dating for about three weeks before she disappeared. Few people knew about the relationship. Richard Moore new though he ran into chicane one day and confronted him. At this guy, I met him, but I don't know his name and I told him, I said, you know, you better take care of good girl. You her heart youth last hour, the new, the new academic tire seen or meet around, you know? 'cause she's a very visible person. Not only was Lisa carrying on a secret relationship with keen behind Paul's back, the police learned something else. Richard said he saw Shaquille in the quick stop the night that Lisa disappeared. Halt will police that Lisa said she was going to leave him that night. Was she planning to run away with him? Officer Saint fort asked, Richard more if that was a possibility. On a new more was even in that. I don't know what time he was in there almost like. Maybe around seven native learner, but he was in discuss any plans on. Talk get nervous, you know. Plans. She was on with. Or less couple of weeks, but she on Steiner's night only on out? No, not at night. When investigators found Shuki he admitted that he and Lisa were involved very involved. He said the two were planning to start a new life together. The even talked about getting married police needed to know more about their secret relationship and the details about the nightly sa- vanished. Where was he that night. Shuki tells them he talked to lease on the phone at ten forty. He was at a Jamaican restaurant few miles from home with a friend name. Omar Omar drove them around town after leaving the restaurant and eventually took Shaquille home. He got there around eleven and was there for the rest of the night. He told police that he hadn't run away with Lisa. Although Shuki Lopez had claimed that he didn't help Lisa to leave. Paul Edwards that night. He did tell police that she had wanted to leave. Shuki said that Lisa told him Paul was abusing her and that Wednesday night she would once and for all leave him Shuki said he was afraid for her safety. If she returned the apartment and had to confront, Paul, don't go back at all. He warned leave your belongings and just go. But Lisa insisted that you needed her things, especially her passport. So she went home. When Lisa went missing Shaquille tried reaching her on her cell phone for days. Richard more recall Shuki Lisa's boss, Mohammed Awad showing up at his home. Both of them were worried about Lisa. Get married him tonight. That night after he was hope to call him. He was worried sick. Do he came here when mom to the house as none? I attach much that time. This is all I know about show. So I tried calling her idea. Right down Mahama's near my lame about a call place. I said, well, you know, I don't think they're gonna do anything. On the day is out at least off doing or verse day Herbie adult. That's the end of my story. I said something wrong. Good moon, Wednesday night. You know. Richard had begun to think back on the text message. He got from Lisa's phone the day after she disappeared. Something seemed off about it for one thing, it was the first time she had ever texted him. She preferred talking on the phone, sending texts, Mohammed Awad agreed. Maybe it wasn't even Lisa who was sending the tax. It turned out Richard wasn't the only one who had started getting mysterious text from Lisa's phone Dexter. Vincent was another. He's Lisa's brother. Dexter moved to the US years before Lisa did back in the nineteen nineties. He's the second oldest of six siblings. Lisa is the third right after him. He was living in Philadelphia in two thousand nine. Dexter. Lisa spoke over the phone a lot. Sometimes every day. Dexter had been leaving voicemails for his sisters and she vanished on October. Seventh. She never called back. Instead, he started getting a string of texts from Lisa's phone. Some were so long. They were broken up into several texts and they weren't making much sense. The first came to Dexter phone at five, fifty four PM on October ninth two days after Lisa disappeared. I am trying to text you. I am not getting good reception where I am. I moved two nights ago. I am trying to settle in text me back. I am. All right. The words were riddled with spelling errors. Then at six, ten pm. Another text came in. This one seemed to reference Paul. It said she quote truly realized that he really has good intentions, but so much has happened. He left the apartment, which me the best. An hour and twenty minutes later. Another tax about Paul. Yes, sir. I am. All right. At least for now I am sad because I will miss Paul with all that happened. He still was good to me in the end. More text. Tell Dexter not to worry about her and ask for his help in reassuring her family. Text eight, thirty three that night says, call mummy. Orser lean for me, sir. Lean is trying to get onto me when I answer call cut off. Tell them I will call them or text them. The next night opt over tenth more techs come in. Seven fifty, three pm what's up. I am just trying to readjust myself. Texts lane told her to tell mommy, I moved. I will text when I come out of d shower. Nine PM I am in Jacksonville. I don't really know place. I will be in Miami next week. I took a rest from d. job. Here's reporter one or tak- explaining how Lisa's brother handled the texts. He's seeing these text messages that are coming supposedly from Lisa and it seems pretty early on that he gets onto the idea that it's not. Lisa just seems so strange for them to be from Lisa and a desire to try to outsmart this person. Because if if it's not Lisa than who is it and he, the Bessie comes up with thinks back to how maybe he should ask something that no one else would know except for Lisa and he thinks back to their childhood when they were going up and turn it add, he remembers how Lisa had childhood friends. And one of the childhood friends who live nearby was girl named Allison and Allison had several siblings. So the question that he decides to present to this person on the other end he asked what is the name of Allison's brother? And he makes it even more specific. He says. Not just any sibling. He wants to know the name of alison's younger brother and to him, it seems like this works because the person on the other end of the line who who'd been sending all these text messages. All this time suddenly doesn't right back. So he sees as validation that is not Lisa that up Dexter called Paul and confronted him over the phone. What happened to Lisa? He demanded Paul respondent, it wasn't supposed to be like this, and he started to cry Dexter had enough and hung up the phone to Dexter. The tax didn't sound like Lisa and police weren't buying it either. One of the texts that Dexter had gone from his sisters phone was at nine AM on October tenth. She said she was in Jacksonville, but records show that her cell phone was being read by a tower and sunny isles near Miami. That's three hundred miles away from Jacksonville. There were also mysterious phone calls. The last known call that Lisa was on happened October. Seventh. But there were three outbound calls made from Lisa's phone on October eighth and ninth after she had gone missing. All of them were to Shuki Lopez. The man, Lisa had a secret relationship with the calls. Each lasted zero seconds. They were immediate hangups police dug deeper into phone records and not just Lisa's. One of the last text messages that Dexter Vincent God from his sister was relaid from tower and sunny isles. The phone records showed that Paul Edwards phone was also hitting off towers in the same area. In fact, Paul's phone never seem to be far from Lisa's. There was evidence that Paul Edwards wasn't telling police everything he knew, and then came evidence that something violent had taken place. Officers had already looked around Leeson Paul's apartment several times, but they wanted a closer look. They returned again, armed with a search warrant and began a forensic examination of apartment CSI style. This time they discovered small traces of blood. Detective, Danny Smith describes how they made the discovery. We source that residents. We find over the course of the execution of that warm. We find some blood evidence, not a great deal of blood evidence, but we do find some blood evidence in the bathroom. When you walk into pollen leases, cramped bathroom. The toilet is on the right just inches from the wooden door. There's a toilet seat with a seafoam green fabric seek cover and a matching bathrobe on the white tile floor to the back of the toilet as a checkered. Flower pot with light pink carnations bottle, orange hand, soap. The bathtub is light blue and there's a green bottle of cucumber melon. Baby wash in one corner and wedged between the tub and toilet as the bathroom sink on a deteriorated white van into cabinet. The formica from the vanity is peeling off showing the wood underneath there on that vanity spots of blood grabbed the attention of detectives and to technical under the vanity. There was some directionality with that blood meaning a normal person would expect that you're gonna find some blood in someone's home because people cut themselves. It's it's normal. But this particular piece of blood evidence had directionality going from down to up underneath the vanity that's normally not a place that you would bleed. If you cut yourself, more traces of blood are found on the bathrooms door frame and on the back splash tiles in the bathtub, investigators collect the blood samples for testing. They need to know are these drops of blood evidence of a crime. They had the same question about blood found in a vehicle polyp and driving around the time of Lisa's disappearance. Brenna Harris's. Paul Edwards mother because the two lived a half mile apart. Paul was at her place a lot. Brennan knew that pollen, Lisa, we're having problems. She actually believed they would break up soon. She helped her son when she could, especially with transportation. Paul didn't have a car of his own. So his mom would sometimes rent vehicles for him. She said, Paul's on do not rent list. He has an issue with returning vehicles on time. So she went and rented a car for Paul to do whatever it is that he wanted to do on the week that Lisa disappeared. She had rented to SUV's for her son. The first was a black dodge journey, but Paul return it right away because the CD player didn't work. He said, so Brennan rented him a white Toyota Highlander, which Paul drove between October seventh and October thirteenth, it's the car. He was driving the nightly disappeared. He had been driving around. He said, to give Lisa time to pack her things. It was the Highlander that police track down and inspected. They discovered a small amount of blood in jam of the back left door. So with that now were were looking at blood evidence. Unfortunate. We don't have an ID on who that is and. We've got to kind of figure out where to go from there. We have DNA profile, but we don't know what to do with it still. They found blood in the couple's apartment and now in a rental SUV. Investigators may not know exactly what to do with the evidence, but they know this, it's going to be crucial when they finally finally saw. As the investigation into the disappearance of Lisa Spence, stretched into weeks. Her family and Trinidad was losing hope. When she left for south Florida seeking better work opportunities. She left her kids in the care of her mother and their family. Despite her distance from Trinidad, Lisa remained devoted to her family. She worked hard to earn money to support them. She wanted to do everything she could. She loves her family and so she missed them. Some of the money she made was spent flying her daughter and son to Florida to spend summers with her, and she spent a lot of it to stay in touch. She would buy long distance calling cards. Her calls to Trinidad with sometimes cost ten dollars a day. Everything. You know, and she. Children and mom, especially. Detective. Danny Smith reached out to Lisa's daughter, sir, lean early in his investigation. He reached her on her eighteenth birthday. She wasn't celebrating. She was worried about her mom, sixteen hundred miles away in Florida. From the day she went missing until the time. The police were contacted. Her daughter turned eighteen years old. Lisa would never miss speaking with her daughter on her eighteenth birthday. She never phoned so that right there told us that there. There may be an issue. Lisa did more than stay in touch. She sent money every month and she would save items that could be valuable to her family. Anything she could ship. She was using a large fifty five gallon barrel and packed it with the thing she stayed, she'd keep adding more until it was full. Then she chip it off. The barrel was made of Brown, heavy cardboard, waterproof with metal caps on each end. She kept tucked away in her living room. While police in Miramar are searching for Lisa, there's a barrel just like the one she'd been using four miles away in an empty field in the city of Miami gardens. It's near a canal laying day after day in the scorching Florida's sunshine. Stuffed inside the barrel is the headless body of suspense. On the next episode of loneliest Florida. The disappearance of Lisa Spence, where are the text from Lisa's cellphone coming from police, don't think it's her and start to zero in on the man, they believe is behind her disappearance. But they don't have enough evidence and resort to a highly unusual tactic. It's a gamble, but it leads them to the grisly discovery near Miami, an break that solves the mystery. Thanks for listening to this episode of loneliest, Florida. If you're enjoying the podcast, please rate us on apple podcasts until your friends about our show. It's a bailable online at felonious, Florida dot com. Apple podcasts, one-day dot com or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can go online to see photographs video and read more about the cases where featuring at bologna, Florida dot com. And be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Polonius Florida is produced by the south Florida. Sun-Sentinel. 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"This would be Kevin Pratt's best alibi for the night. Four people were shot three fatally on Encino street in Miramar, Florida in August two thousand nine. But it was seven months earlier and more than three hundred miles away. On a Thursday afternoon in late January two thousand nine, Kevin's bloodied body, lay inside a bath and kitchen store. Jacksonville, Florida won a sheriff's deputy came upon him. His shirt off exposing wound caused by a bullet that had ripped through his abdomen. Moments earlier, he was going into a nearby apartment complex to meet a girl. But when he walked in an apartment guy pulled a gun on him apparently to rob him, there was a struggle and Kevin was shot. He made it a few hundred feet south of the apartments and into the store where witnesses said he wasn't telling the much about what happened and the gunman was never found. Kevin's gunshot wound was serious and he needed emergency surgery. He survived, but he would later tell detective that the injury led to months of recovery and continue to affect him more than a year later. So when detectives told Kevin, he was their prime suspect in the triple murder that happened seven months after the shooting. Kevin said it couldn't be him. He was still recovering from the gunshot and his body was too weak to pull off such an attack. He explained. How could he possibly have killed faith business or Davey and Bishop and the, he'd Hamilton. These. I got shot and strength. I don't know kill somebody killed three people that. Do that. But the detective weren't buying it. They were convinced Kevin Pratt, was the killer. Hi, this is mccade Austin, and I want to tell you about a better option for women who call her their hair for decades. They've had two choices. It was either the time and expense of a salon or outdated at home hair coloring products. 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If you think, you know everything about at home hair-color think again, find your perfect shade at Madison Reed dot com. Don't forget the promo code Florida. From the south Florida sunset, Nolan association with one dri, this is Loni is Florida. The podcast that leads you into the dark side of the sunshine state. I'm your host mccade Austin along with investigative reporters, Stephen Hobbs, this is part three. The conclusion of the Sinoe murders. Less than three weeks after detectives. I learned Kevin Pratt, was a possible suspect in the Sinoe street killings. They had his photo in front of the only survivor of the attack. Camille. Hamilton was back in Jamaica when Miramar detectives, Steve, Toyota and his partner. Hector, Bertrand flew from Florida to see her on the island nearly a year had passed since a mysterious gunman shot her in the face and killed her teenage daughter to others. The detectives hadn't had a suspect until now and they were wasting no time building a case. They brought six photos with them. One was a photo of Kevin from his driver's license taken seven months before the murderers. The other photos were fillers, five different black men all with various types of facial hair. This photo lineup was important and had to be done right. Camille would be shown the photos by Jamaican contractor for the US Marshall service. He didn't know which of the photos showed the suspect so that Camille identification wasn't tainted by any of his reactions and the procedure would be videotaped. So there was a record. It takes place in a bedroom. Detective, Bertrand is behind the camera. And the Marshall reads a script. He says, he'll show her each photo one at a time. Take your time. He tells her and he shuffles the photos. The first photo is of a man with a thin moustache goatee. She grabs the photo and studies it. She briefly looks up at detective Bertrand. Forty seconds go by. It sort of looks like him. She says. The Marshall holds the next photo close to Camille face. The man shown has a thicker mustache and a beard. Camille looks at the photo. Then back Bertrand. Bertrand tells her, we can't help you. Camille. This one looks like him. She says. The photos are shuffled again, and the third one is shown to Camille. It's of Kevin Pratt. In the photo he has a full beard that goes down his neck. He's balding on top and his hair is cut short on the sides, his front teeth on the top row or gold. Commu leans back and shakes her head. She looks back toward the camera. No, she says. She goes through the final three photos, no three times and the recording ends. The stakes were high for the lineup, and the detectives had tried to do it by the book. But reporter Steven Hobbs found that there were still concerns. A couple of shoes that come up in this video of this lineup. The first is detective Bertran. He was in the room when this lineup was taking place. Now, the goal of having that Marshall do the lineup is so that there might not be conscious or unconscious suggestion to Camille saying, this is who the suspect is or don't pick this person because it's not the suspect, and it's clear just from looking at the video that Camille is looking back detective Bertran seemingly maybe for help or with uncertainty about what's going on. And the detective even says, Camille, I can't help you. You have to do this. You know, from your own memory, she was there for at least the first two photos. It's not actually clear how long, but he testified later that he he did leave and he left the room during the lineup because he was concerned about Camille, constantly looking back at him for help. The other thing that we hear from just listening to this this video and watching the video is you can hear detective toilet in the background talking. He was talking with Camille, then husband and they were in kind of a living room area which is near where his bedroom was. The photo lineup was taken place. But one thing is you can hear the detective talking. So presumably maybe the other people in the room could have heard him talking as well. And he said on the video, there's no doubt in my mind that he did it. Sometime after the camera is shut off, perhaps five or ten minutes later, Camille shown another line of photos. This time is different. Instead of the Marshall showing Camille photos, it's detective, Toyota. And he knows who the suspect is. He shows her fourteen photos. Every one of them is a photo of Kevin Pratt. Detective, Toyota later testified that he didn't know why he brought the photos of Kevin, but he showed them to Camille because he wanted to make sure the investigation was on the right track. It was a decision he made on the spot. And detective. Bertrand never turned on the camera. Because he didn't. We don't know exactly what happened. Is Camille with show in the fourteen photos of Kevin. They were all driver's license photos that spanned a decade. This showed Kevin with varying facial hair, including some with a full beard. In others. He had a thin mustache or go t the also had different hair styles from bowl, too short according to detective Toyota's testimony. He asked Camille, something like this. He looked familiar. Camille picked one of the photos in it, Kevin had short stubble on his face and was wearing what looked like a skull cap on his head. So the photo that Camille picked was an old one of Kevin. It was actually from January of two thousand, which is more than nine years before the murders actually took place. The detective later testify wasn't sure if Camille new just because she kind of either indicated or pointed at this photo, but there was never any kind of conversation is to her recognizing that all the other photos were of the same person should just kind of seems like zeroed in on that one photo. So detective later said, he wasn't sure that she was even sure that these were all of Kevin detective. Toyota mentioned the off camera photo lineup in an affidavit. He wrote that Camille shown the array of driver's license. Photos of Kevin total later said that the reason to showed her the photos was just to make sure that the investigation was kind of going on the right track. He thought once she said. No to Kevin during that photo lineup, that there might not be another kind of I witness procedure again, why alive lineup or another photo lineup, too was concerned that a judge may see this and say that the live lineup could be tainted that they wouldn't actually be able to do. I've lineup because of the fact that he had shown her these fourteen photos later that night, the detectives had dinner with Camille and her husband. There's no record of what they discussed. But before the detectives returned to Florida, Camille told them she would like the chance to identify their suspect in person. A week after the trip to Jamaica. The detectives were ready to interview Kevin on August fifth, twenty ten nearly a year after the murders detective, Toyota, put out an alert to law enforcement. Kevin Pratt is wanted for questioning. He didn't have to wait long. Just before eight pm that day Kevin was spotted at a Sonoko gas station in Miami. A police officer wrote that he was asking people for money and harassing them. He'd been warned about loitering there before. So the officer arrested Kevin. Detective, Toyota was notified and two hours later. He and Bertran were sitting across from Kevin Pratt for the first time. Kevin didn't have to talk with detectives. He hadn't been charged. In fact, they hadn't even told him why they were questioning him, but he agreed to talk anyway and he did it without having a lawyer present. Detective, Toyota went over Kevin's rights. Then Bertran jumped in, hey, Kevin, he asked how long did it take you to grow your beard out like that? Kevin's facial hair wasn't important issue to sort out. Camille. Hamilton hadn't remembered her attacker having a beard. She said he had just a thin moustache, but when police had stopped Kevin twice just before and just after the murders officers described him as having a beard. On August fifteenth, about twenty four hours before the murders a Miami Dade County officer wrote the Kevin had a beard slash goatee. On August twenty. Third, six days after the killings an officer stopped Kevin. Again, this time farther north in West Palm Beach. He was riding a bicycle through alleys near a gym around noon. He said he was going to look at fish in a nearby canal. But an officer said he appeared to be looking for an opportunistic crime and stopped him for questioning. Kevin was wearing a t shirt cargo shorts and combat boots. He had gold teeth and he was wearing gloves. The officer also wrote in his report that Kevin had a full beard. Kevin's facial hair comes up again. And again, in this case, because one of Camille description of the perpetrator, having that thin moustache two of the fact that a waiter head of Toyota's said that it was unclear at the time whether or not ten had a beard when these murders occurred and three because as we can see about twenty four hours before the murders, she is said to have had a beard or go to buy an officer and then wasn't a week later six days later. An office in other officers says that he has a full beard while we one hundred percent sure what heavens facial hair was at the exact moment of this murders. He would have had to potentially shave his Goto or some of his beard and then how to grow into a full beard in the course of six days. Back at the interview detectives, Toyota and Bertrand continued question Kevin. They spent the next three hours learning a lot more about his life and finally revealed why they're there. He's a murder suspect. Felonious Florida is brought to you by simply safe home security. Simply safe is a fantastic security system providing great protection for your home, but before simply safe home security companies were getting away with the law. They were overcharging for outdated complicated systems and trapping people in pricey contracts that changed ten years ago when an electrical engineer named Chad Lawrence had a few friends who were burglarized they wanted to Curie, but there weren't any good options. So Chad started simply safe. He got rid of the hidden fees and contracts. He made simply safe intuitive and easy to use. 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He also had a brother, the lost him in a tragedy that made headlines in July nineteen eighty nine. His name was Tori. When Kevin was eleven, the brothers were swimming at a beach on Key, Biscayne near Miami. They were there celebrating cousin's birthday as they were being called to shore for the lighting of birthday candles water biker swept in and caused waves that overwhelmed the boys. Tori couldn't swim, Kevin grabbed him, but couldn't hold on. An article in the Miami Herald quoted Kevin. He swallowed a lot of water. He said. Kevin's little brother drowned at age, seven. Kevin dropped out of high school. In the tenth grade, he told the detectives, he worked in environmental cleanup and he was operating heavy machinery until the Jacksonville shooting in January two thousand nine. He had to give that work up after his injury. After he had been shot, he went to recover in West Palm Beach. It was at a drug program. He used to drink a little bit, and that helped him get in he said, but that's not why he was there. It provided shelter where he could recover from the bullet wound. Now without steady work, Kevin said he would sometimes offer to pump gas for people or wash their windshields for tips. MAURICE Inle. He said he'd been working at a dock in Miami. Detector Toyota would later note Kevin's financial struggles in an affidavit. His Bank account was overdrawn by few dollars round the time of the murders. Have you ever been to Miramar the detectives asked. Kevin said it had been awhile, but he used to have a girlfriend there and go to wash their clothes at a shopping plaza. But that was years earlier, maybe in the early two, thousands. Detective, Toyota points out that Kevin was stopped by an officer Miramar August two thousand nine. Yeah. I remember that. He said it was a little over a week before the murders on NCO street. Miramar officer had seen Kevin panhandling at an intersection in the city. The detectives wanted to know what Kevin was doing there. Just two miles from the murder scene. Kevin told them he was working for the homeless voice. A newspaper that's handed out on street corners across Florida, to raise awareness about homelessness heater in about forty to seventy dollars a day. Kevin said he was living in Miami at that time and didn't have a car on August eighth. He was dropped off in Miramar where he started handing out newspapers. The officer who didn't describe what Kevin looked like told him to leave Kevin said he did and hadn't been back to Miramar. Kevin wasn't able to give detectives strong alibi for the night of the murders. But by the time he was being questioned nearly a full year had passed. Detective. Toyota showed Kevin photos of the street home and the mercury sable that was at the scene, an pictures of the victims. It was nearly an hour into the interview, and they finally got to the point. It's been all over the news. They told Kevin. Three of the people in those photos were murdered. They asked Kevin if he knew anything about it. Kevin said he didn't. Toyota began to hint Kevin that they had found evidence that placed him at the crime scene. Their science out there that led us to you. He told Kevin. And there was, but it wasn't as strong as they were leading Kevin to believe. Less than a month earlier. The detectives had been told by both the DNA manager of the crime lab and prosecutors that DNA evidence that returned Kevin's name wasn't enough on its own to arrest Kevin. But if they had any concern about the DNA evidence, they weren't showing it in their interview that day. Detector Toyota is heard. I. Scientists told us that can't get in this on. Where you left your say, call evidence, but it's pretty compelling. DNA. Feel so much better. I mean. Just. You got to. Just make peace for them. Peace out Piedmont. She's a pastor founding church on she own troop. She's a passenger ch- offering a Trojan on Dan. I mean, these people do not a very nice people. I don't know people. People. I'm not saying you know them, and I'm not saying that. What they're tending on. Something happened at. Evidence tells us that you were there. Okay. I was saying you were there. Okay, that's. That's how that's how. That's why we're here. No, I can't. I can't say I'm nothing to sit up and tell you something about. Wasn't budging. He told the detectives about the shooting in Jacksonville that he said, left him too weak to have committed such a physical attack. Personally, I'm still slow from his gunshot didn't do everyday. Didn't I just hospital today. I have complications. This stuff is this is still volume. So you know ahead of surgeon key stuff to kidney and I'm gonna do with that. I'm doing this trying, you know, trying to get back together, you know, panel dude, I got pan, but you know, I didn't look call, wash, dude. I gotta do. I don't know about not about killing these people. I'm not finished him, which is. Did you know if you arrested forward in? I'd have to go out full it blue. Blue one restaurant person, but problem is you DNA is in the scene again. And again, during the interview, detectives tried to get Kevin to confess to the murders. They told them about the surviving victim and pushed him to confess for her done. I'll get into politics. You know, some if I did, but this is a whole different. This is a whole different ball game. This is not like a theft burglar. This is not. This is probably one of the hardest things ever to admit to Kevin. Let me ask you this. It down to it if I die. Kevin offered to provide more samples to be tested for DNA. But detective, Bertrand told him it's been tested and retested on with. I'm not in greeted with that. I was not what you said. I'm okay. And you know, for somebody to say, well, you know, willing to face the consequences, but in do it, nobody would be going to want to be punished for something in do. I'm trying to tell you that right now. Until iota told Kevin that DNA evidence is strong. We know that as this year's people do mistakes with his, his can make mistakes of identification. But when it comes to things like DNA fingerprints, those are those are all when we locate like building a good case, we have with down. Here's like I witness identification. Fingerprints DNA is the ultimate. Kevin's denials, never wavered, but after three hours he had had enough of the questioning. I don't have anything else to say he told the detectives and the interview is over. It was almost one in the morning. The detectives left the police station with little more than they had when they arrived. Later that day Kevin was set free. After their first interview with Kevin detectives were keeping their eyes on him nearly two months later after a court hearing in Miami Dade County, they followed him after he left the courthouse trying to find people. He knew it was a bizarre stakeout. So at this point, an investigation detectives or trying to talk with people, maybe new Kevin friends or people, he was staying with it, try to little bit with family, but weren't able to really much information. So they've one day decided to follow him outside of court, hearing his hearing actually got cancelled that day. And when he left the courthouse, detective, Toyota detective, Bertrand, we send other officer, they followed Tevin in their cars, different cars on March cars, just trying to see where he went to go talk to anyone. Was there any people that they could follow up with and try to find more information about Kevin? Did he ever say anything about the murders to other people that he wasn't telling the detect. Actives. Is really interesting is as they're following them in these unmarked cars, detective, Toyota waiter said that the reports were maybe he stopped and started stretching, and he would run or even walk. Aimlessly didn't seem like he really had a place that he was going destination that he was going in. This went on for hours and he didn't really go to any homes or talk with any people. So they weren't able to get much information about it. And the other thing was just he also appeared to have kind of radicals on. It went on for about seven hours. And Kevin walked and ran the streets of Miami without talking with anybody. Detectors had learned nothing. Well, almost nothing. Detector Toyota later wrote that Kevin appeared to be homeless. The detectives will try again months later to interview Kevin. It was March of twenty eleven and Kevin agree to meet with them. And again, didn't ask for an attorney, Kevin didn't budge. 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Kevin Pratt, was accused of punching a cop who had pulled him over for Radic driving. He was in a rental car and the officer said Kevin had a knife in the center console when he tried to take Kevin out of the car, they got an a scuffle Kevin was charged with battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence. That was February twenty ten, six months after the Sinoe street murders. It took almost a year for Kevin to be sentenced for the incident with Kevin behind bars. New DNA tests were performed on pieces of duct tape that had been taken from the murder scene. An earlier test that had led detectives to Kevin proud was far from conclusive. It had found a mixture of DNA from at least three people on a roll of duct tape that was next to the bodies. Kevin couldn't be ruled out as one of them. With more advanced DNA testing an option. Miramar hired an outside crime lab in June twenty eleven. The new lab was sent a swab from the role of duct tape. The lab repeated the first test that had been done by the county crime lab, but it also did a second test. This one focused on y chromosomes those only belonging to men. The results took months. Meanwhile, detectives use the time to grant Camille Hamilton, her request to face the suspect in person. They would arrange a live lineup in front of her and they planned for a stunning twist aimed at getting him to confess. It happened on September eighth twenty eleven more than two years after the murders. Kevin was taken from prison in north Florida to a nearby county jail that had a live lineup room. A deputy from the jail ran. The lineup commute was read a script and like the photo lineup in Jamaica, it would be recorded on video. But reporter. Stephen Hobbs says, there were concerned with this lineup too. One. The things that's important in wine, ABS light. This is who's running it and do they know the suspect they're not. So the sheriff's deputy who was running this lineup was working at this. This jail is kind of a small county jail. And so he was aware of the other people who were with Kevin standing there during the wine, there was only about one hundred and eighty people at this county jail to choose from. So there's not a lot of people that shoes from that. Maybe we'll look really similar to Kevin just by comparison browertown either were about forty, four hundred people in jail at that time, which would have been a much larger population of people to choose from that would really similar to Kevin and how that plays out in this lineup is we see that there's a really big age difference in the people that are chosen to stand with Kevin. The six men are lined up facing the wall with their backs to Camille one by one they are told to turn to face her. Then turn left then right than back to the wall. Kevin, prod, number four. On the video, Camille is not visible as Kevin turns to face her. But the deputy running the lineup would later say that her knees buckled when she saw him the last two men face her. Then communities asked if she recognized any of them, she asks to see numbers four and five again. So they repeat the whole lineup, then they do it again. And this time they're asked to smile. Camille wants to see their teeth. She said, the man who attacked her had gold teeth on his bottom row. Kevin shows gold teeth, but he has them on the top and bottom. Six individuals orphan. Solve Mizra car, Camille pauses for a moment. Then stands up and softly says, number four, Kevin Pratt, the lineup lasted nearly twenty five minutes and was over. But the real drama of the day wasn't. The detectives had planned it for months. The first two interviews with Kevin didn't lead to a confession. So they tried an unusual tactic. The detectives had Kevin in an interview room after the lineup, and we're asking him the same questions they had asked over and over before more than forty, five minutes into the interview. The door opens and Camille Hamilton walks in. Own intrusive. This is Camille. She lived just. In their son. Remember who worse. Back was turned to the road. When you when you have. Money. Never. Don't get you. Detective. Bertrand urges Kevin to say something apologize. Camille pleads with him. For fifteen minutes. She goes on, but Kevin never says a word, Camille sorrow turns to anger. No. Camille is escorted from the room. Really. Hurt retail. No real. All. You have an opportunity. This is rare gift to make better would happen to rare gift giving you this gift take. Kevin doesn't take the offer, and the interview was over. He didn't have a confession from Kevin, but they did have Camille identification of him from the lineup, two weeks later, they would have something even bigger. Results from the new round of DNA testing by the outside lab came in on September twenty second twenty. Eleven. It was more than a year after the county crime labs, initial reports this Kevin's name, but wasn't conclusive. This time, the results were stronger. The report said the chance that the DNA belong to an unrelated person was one in twelve billion. The results were a dramatic improvement. Kevin Pratt, could finally be charged with murder. Camille, Hamilton, detective, Steve Toyota, stood in front of news, cameras. The case, it finally been salt. Kevin Pratt, was the ruthless killer. Toyota said there would finally be Justice for faith, David and Akita. The detective explain the DNA evidence at the press conference match so much that the chance of anybody being chosen at random one in twelve billion which is better than the world's population. Camille spoke about her confrontation with Kevin. When I saw him. I'd never forget what he looks like. Never. I remembering very well the case against Kevin, look strong. I'm happy that Justice is going to be done. The next week, the detectives from Miramar head to the prison in north Florida were Kevin's been behind bars. He's wearing a blue prison uniform as -tective Toyota read, Tim, the arrest warrant that formerly charges Kevin with the Encino murders. They give him one last chance to come clean. Side. Utah. One of the items that was us. The commission that's no mistake DNA. One hundred percent one twelve. Identifies you as a person. It's not a mistake, the victim coming in and identifying. Say you moving in that area right before, but lease. Say, you see how they are filing. You see skins. Stacked against you. Kevin continues to say, he's innocent then runs out of patience. Three council on. All star, the corporate CDs. You don't want disputed. Do that core. Kevin is through talking. He stands up and even though his hands are cuffed behind him, he opens up the interview room door and steps into the hallway. You're a coward Bertran says, and the door closes, so they don't have a confession. At least they're still the DNA. But the detectives were in for another disappointment. The state of Florida versus Kevin Pratt, began its years long March through the court system. The strongest piece of evidence against him was the new DNA test. But the understanding of DNA testing was changing and my twenty thirteen nearly two years had passed since the more conclusive test results. That's when the prosecutor Alberto rebus call the DNA analyst at the private lab to go over the results. Again. She took a look and what Tiffany ROY saw was troubling. The evidence had a mixture of DNA from multiple people, and new guidelines had been issued that called for a more conservative approach for this kind of DNA profile. Roy's first has had looked only at the DNA that was present. The new guidelines set analysts should also consider what parts of the DNA might be missing. So ROY said she felt obligated to bring up concerns about the results. There were low levels of DNA found on the duct tape, and she was less confident with the results than she was in her first report. So she issued a new one in June twenty thirteen in it. She said the DNA results were inconclusive. Kevin did have similar DNA to the DNA found on the role of duct tape, but she needed more advanced tools to analyze it. This isn't something I need to be ashamed about because this came about from advancements in technology. This is something that affected the entire field that we now understood that this data was so unreliable that we shouldn't be making interpretations because we can't be certain about what it's telling us. And so I felt like I could not go into court and say with with any level of certainty, you know that this person was included or anyone was included in that data given given the quality of that profile because now I know that. That wasn't applied properly. We don't know what the chances of a random person being included, and we don't know how common rare that would be inserted go into court and say that it was one in a million or one in twelve billion with the combined statistic is misleading in people. You know a now I knew that that was misleading in so I couldn't go in and present that into conscience as the years went on the questions about the DNA evidence against Kevin were never fully resolved. Meanwhile, Kevin's defense, attorneys pointed out other potential weaknesses in the case against him, like Kevin's fingerprints weren't found at the scene and they obtain handwritten notes from detective, Toyota, that reference conversations he'd had with Camille conversations that were not recorded. Those notes described times where Camille was shown photos early in the investigation before Kevin was a suspect she singled out to men. She said, resembled her attacker, but the detective didn't put that in his reports. Toyota later testified that he didn't consider those to be identification 's. But despite the defense's efforts to chip away at the case and the change DNA results, detective, Toyota state firm on Kevin's guilt. He believed the DNA found on the duct tape matched Kevin's. By twenty seventeen. The charges against Kevin proud were nearly five and a half years old, and the judge was expressing concerns. Bringing the case to jury was a problem for both sides. The prosecution had issues with its two main pieces of evidence DNA and the eyewitness testimony from Camille. But even though Kevin insisted he didn't kill anybody. He didn't have a great alibi for the night of the murders. It was a horrific crime, and he was facing the death penalty. The judge urged both sides to come up with a resolution. So that's what they did. On February twenty first twenty seventeen. They went into court with the deal. The state agreed to the minimum sentence for the crimes, ten years because gun was involved. And they agreed to credit him for the more than five years. He had spent in jails, his arrest. His sentence will be followed by fifteen years of probation. The punishment is a disappointment for Camille Hamilton and the families of the victims who believe Kevin proud was the killer and for detectives who spent years trying to solve the case. But the risk that he might go free and unpunished was too great. And for Kevin, the deal would mean he'd have to spend nearly five more years in prison when the judge asked him how he pleaded to the murder charges. Kevin pause for a moment before saying. Guilty. Camille step to the podium yelled at him for an apology and told the Judge Kevin deserve to be put to death. As she's escorted away, Camille said to Kevin, God is going to punish you. You may not be punished by the law, but you're going to be punished Kevin, Pratt. It's been a year and a half since the emotional Dan court. Sitting in her living room in Florida. Camille. Hamilton says it's hard for her to smile these days. Even when it happens, her thoughts return to our daughter, Nikita Hamilton. She still keeps a room for Nikki set up like she had it in her room in Jamaica. Sometimes she comes into the room and lies down and she talks to her daughter. In fact, she talks to her a lot when she's driving walking cooking, it helps her feel like Nikki still there with her. She writes to her in a journal to telling what's happened in the days that have passed since her death. Camille reminded of the horrifying night every time she looks in the mirror. The damage caused by the bullet to her face required surgery after surgery. She wants another to reduce pain and help resolve some of the damage done to her. I. In August, she went back to Jamaica to visit family and spend time with friends. Her face brightens when she reminisces about the trip. Until the grief returns as it often does. She fights it by keeping herself busy, working a lot talking to friends and cooking. Some day she wants to go back to school to become the bottom est or even a nurse. And strong tough. And that's what Niki would want to be a fight on a strong person. What do you do need for her. She was so sweet tension with strongly occur. She was so smart promise, sir. Scurr promise, sir. I'm gonna. Do the things that you. I'm gonna fulfill our dreams. Tried to do. Camille knows her statements were inconsistent early in the investigation, but she was on Aniston Zhen painkillers. She says her jaw was shot and she was grieving. And she says today, she is certain that Kevin Pratt is the man who shot her and murdered her daughter and friends. Even during the photo lineup in Jamaica, her mind still wasn't right. She says she was processing the loss of her daughter and the terrifying attack that night unin sina street. But today she doesn't doubt her memory. Kevin is one who take China life. My friend, a nurse leaf to die. Easel did that. And never forget talking to, you know, like talking to him. Is him he did it. When he tough into manna was enough, couldn't talk. My Moto was wired. I couldn't pronounce couldn't talk. I was out tiffy. In my position atlas may only child. Was there to income are Takemoto. That. I Smith think ever take no killed him. I should have to do. Why. The era when he said, man is not Mehan. I shut him up. I said, shut up. Don't tell it's not you. Why is not too many affect to the bar. So after. Three bargains plead guilty. He saw take it. Any sane matinees. I wanna walk rightful idea, had the chance to. Killing myself. Today, Kevin prot is behind bars at the Calhoun Correctional Institution about fifty miles west of Tallahassee, Florida. It's where he serving his ten year sentence for the Encino street, triple murder. Although he's never granted an interview in all of his statements to detectives, he steadfastly maintained his innocence. Pleading guilty. Let him the possibility of execution. I started looking at this case about a year and a half ago, and it was right after that point. Hairy. What struck me was that it didn't seem like any kind of resolution for this case. And as I kept looking into it and reading through court documents, I saw the underlying issues that came out in the years that this case was being investigated, and then went through the court system after an arrest. But I'm still always returning back to the question that I had when I first read the story about this hearing. Possibly guy in prison for a crime. He didn't commit. Or we have a guy in prison. For ten years. For comedian a horrible crime. Killing three people and almost killing a fourth. It doesn't seem it's any kind of resolution at this case, even though it's a closed case. These questions still remain. What's most concerning is that Kevin Pratt is the one who committed these crimes than somebody else did, and somebody else has gotten away with murder. Kevin Pratt is set to be released from prison on October seventeenth twenty twenty one. Thank you for listening to this episode of loneliest Florida. The conclusion of the NCAA murders. That horrifying crime took place in August of two thousand nine. Just two months later. Another baffling case landed in the same city. Next week we'll dive into this new case one that started as a simple disappearance. A woman had left a late night work shift and was never seen again. Her friends and family started revealing secrets that had police suspecting. Something violent had happened when mysterious text started coming in from her phone, they were convinced. So they try to simple, but unusual tactic. Something so unusual judge had to sign off on it. It was a dramatic amble. But if it worked, could solve the case. Listen next week for the story of the disappearance of suspense. Felonious Florida is produced by the south Florida Sun-Sentinel on. Wondering if you're enjoying the podcast, please rate us on apple podcasts and tell you friends about our show. It's available online at felonious, Florida dot com. Apple podcasts, one dot com or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can go online to see photographs video and read more about the cases were featuring at felonious Florida dot com, and be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. 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The Killer Clown of Wellington, Part 2 | 7

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The Killer Clown of Wellington, Part 2 | 7

"James Sasser is in his auto parts store in the town of the hokey, Florida. It's typical spring day in this little farming community. The humidity is oppressive but James has stores air conditioner cranking. A few customers come and go through the glass doors, and then one of his regulars comes in. She owns a small used car. Lot nearby with her husband. So she's a familiar sight to James and the co worker who was in the store with him. But today, she gives them a jolt. They watch as she bounced through the door and up to the counter dressed in full clown suit. We were both completely surprised when she came in the store dressed head to toe, and this clown outfit was makeup and everything. The customer explains the costume away. She says she does parties for kids. Poker. Quirky little town. And her story makes sense. So James brushes it off. Nothing about it. Would make you suspicious in anything. Just well, that's just what she does on the side. No big deal. But it was a bigger deal than he thought at the time. On Memorial Day weekend. Nineteen ninety James saw. The news reports about a clown showed up at the front door of a Wellington home and shot. Marlene Warren in the face. Police were looking at two people as possible suspects. One of them was named Sheila Keane? Eleven days after the murder James called police to tell them about that spring day when Sheila Keane came into his store dressed as a clown. Hi, this is Medicaid Austin. And I want to tell you about a better option for women who call her their hair for decades. They've had two choices. It was either the time and expense of a salon or outdated at home hair coloring products. 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If you think, you know, everything about at home hair-color think again, find your perfect shade at Madison Reed dot com. Don't forget the promo code Florida. From the south Florida sun sentinel and association with wondering this is baloney as Florida the podcast that leads you into the dark side of the sunshine state. I am mccade Austin along with reporter Tanya Allen as. And this is the conclusion of the killer. Clown of Wellington. On the morning of may twenty six nineteen ninety Michael Warren was in a car with two of his friends on his way to a horse race in Miami. He was halfway there when his wife son Joey called with the news that Marlene had been shot. With his wife clinging to life Michael turned around and headed straight for the hospital. He wasn't there for very long before the glare of investigators turn his way. An anonymous call came into police within two hours of the shooting telling them to ask Michael Warren a few questions, Michael and the young woman. He was having an affair with Sheila, Keane. Just months before Marlins murder. She left her husband and her relationship with her boss was heating up. She worked on his used car. Lot a tough and fearless repo woman known to carry a gun. Not what you'd expect for somebody who grew up in a little community known as America's sweetest town. She came from Clewiston in Florida's heartland region where she grew up in a close knit family. The town is on the southwest shore of giant LEGO would show be it's bordered by sugar plantations. And that's where it gets sweet nickname. She lives down Robert owned a construction company in nearby Indian town an agricultural community in the middle of the state. She was headstrong a striking brunette who attracted a lot of boys. An ex-boyfriend said Sheila loved country music, dancing and nothing more than hopping into a four wheel drive for a truck through mud and woods. Another man who dated Sheila said, quote, she was a pretty girl and she stood out. It was her long Brown hair. A former classmate said it made her kind of crystal. Gayle type she was an average student who chose to enroll in adult education rather than attend her final year of highschool and she had brushes with the law in nineteen eighty four. When Sheila was twenty one she was charged with shoplifting seventy seven dollars and sixty cents worth of merchandise. In Palm Beach county. A couple of years later police in Margate Florida, arrested her on a misdemeanor theft charge. She pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six months of probation. She got pregnant when she was twenty three years old six months in she married. The baby's father Richard keen in front of a notary. It was may thirteenth nineteen eighty seven. The two met when she was in high school and Richard was dating her cousin. She looks at her sights on him and kind of stole him away. Her mother said. Richard was eighteen years older than Sheila and a convicted felon. He had a reputation as a troublemaker and busy body. According to news reports Richard was a former director of the United clans of America, one of the largest white supremacist organizations in the country. And he had a hand in organizing in Florida for the presidential campaign of George Wallace. A staunch opponent of the civil rights movement in nineteen eighty one Richard was sentenced to ten years in prison for marijuana trafficking after he was involved in a shootout with authorities on a rural airstrip in Georgia three months into their marriage in August, nineteen eighty seven she gave birth to their son Charles Alan, keen, the family of three lived in a small apartment in front of a pokey trailer park owned by Richard's parents Sheila and Richard helped run the park and enabling used car lot. They also got into the car repossession business. And that's when the world of Michael Warren and shield keen collided on a lot of Michael's used car dealership. Bargain motors. By January nineteen ninety Sheila split up with Richard and her affair with Michael was in full swing. After shooting Marlene Warren on her doorstep on may twenty six nineteen ninety the killer. Dresses, a clown casually strolled back to the Chrysler lebaron at arrived in and drove off but police were on the trail almost immediately an anonymous tip focused their attention on Marlene's husband, Michael and the repo woman from his lot Sheila keen with Marlene on life support nearby palms west hospital I detective approached Michael and asked him questions about the shooting. Michael was quick to say he had quote, no idea who would do this to his wife. He was on his way to watch a horse race in Miami. As the bullet was being fired. He suggested to the detective that perhaps it was a grudge shooting committed by an victim tenant, Michael and Merlene owned seventeen rental properties in a rough part of Palm Beach county and Marlene managed them that meant having to collect rent and Vic tenants who couldn't pay. And what about the clowns getaway car the white lebaron that had no license plate? Michael said, he didn't know anyone who owned a car like that. And he only dealt and Chevrolets at bargain Motors, but one of Michael's biggest competitors pay less rent. A car did deal with Chrysler's and just twelve hours after Merlene was shot. Another anonymous tip came into police. The caller said that a white Chrysler lebaron had been stolen from PayLess just two weeks earlier in a case that was linked to bargain Motors. A couple of visiting from out of town had rented a lebaron from PayLess a lot in West Palm Beach. Not far. From Michael warns bargain Motors. They called the number. They found on an ad in a telephone book to get instructions for how to return the car, but they unknowingly called bargain Motors. Instead the person who answered the call told the couple to leave the car outside the gate to pay less with the keys in the sun visor detective page McCann's had that's what they did. I the Carson the berry was was a car from a PayLess Renna car, which was a different business from Mike warns business, which was bargain Motors. The people who had rented the car had seen an ad in the newspaper, and they went to China may turn the caller early. Michael warns business had a head PayLess in his ad as well. So that people became confused and called the number thinking, it was pay less. But it was actually bargain Motors. And somebody at Motors answer the phone and told them to leave the car and leave the keys there they did. So later that night the couple had second thoughts about leaving the keys in the car. So they return. To pay less, and the lebaron was gone polices covered. That PayLess had recently sued bargain Motors over the phone book ad it was titled pay less combined into one word in smaller. Letters was written a bargain auto rentals. The PayLess lawsuit said the bargain Motors was deceptive and bargain was ordered to pay thirty five thousand dollars an employee at bargain told detectives that Michael stole three cars as quote payback for the lawsuit and the lebaron was one of them. Investigation was moving fast. Not even a day had gone by since the shooting and police already had a lead on the clowns getaway car. The also got leads on the flowers and balloons that were delivered to Marlene. And on a clown suit. Hi, this is Sean pits. From the flow Aeneas, Florida team, you spend a third of your life in your sheets. Are you getting the best possible? I know I am because I sleep and she's from Brooklyn in dot com. 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When you use the promo code, Florida at Brooklyn dot com. Brooklyn. And is so confident that they offer a risk-free sixty-nine satisfaction guarantee and a lifetime warranty on all of their sheets and comforters. Feeling way to get twenty dollars off and free. Shipping is to use promo code Florida at Brooklyn in dot com. That's B R O K L, I N E N dot com. Promo code, Florida. Brooklyn. These are the best sheets ever just before nine thirty that morning less than ninety minutes before the shooting. A woman went into a public school Shree store to purchase flowers and balloons to clerks remember selling her Memorial Day, arrangement white and red carnations and a white basket. She also bought to foil balloons. One of the balloon said, you're the greatest just like the one the clown delivered Marlene's door. He employs described the woman as kind of tall and thin with Brown hair. She wore a white painters, cap and gloves and paid with a one hundred dollar Bill. The grocery store was about a half mile from Sheila Qian's apartment, then an hour after the public's employees called police about the flowers and balloons, the owner of a costume shop called in a tip about a clown suit. On Thursday, two days before the murder a woman phone spotlight. Coppee Zeo a costume store on south Dixie highway in West Palm Beach. She wanted to know if they sold clown costumes, they did and at six pm the customers showed up. Two clerks were locking the doors, but she convince them to let her in. She promised to be quick the clerks remembered her having a long Brown ponytail and she wore no makeup. She was quote, very unisex and masculine in the way, she walked and talked. The customer chose the cheapest clown costume in stock. It was a candy pink and yellow suit with an orange wig and read foam knows. She told him a woman would be wearing the costume. And she also needed extra white paint enough to cover an entire face. It costs thirty six dollars and fifty cents. She paid for it with two twenty dollar Bill. She pulled from her pocket and left with the costume. Within days of the murder the public's clerks who sold the flowers and balloons and the costume store employees who sold the clown suit all picked Sheila Qian's picture out of a photo lineup. The bullet from the clowns gun hit Marlene Warren at point blank range, just above her upper lip it traveled into the back of her head and lodged in her c two vertebra. She was brain dead on arrival at the hospital, but machines were keeping her alive Orleans mother. Shirley, ght-wing said doctors told her they had no hope. I went in there and told taste of pull the plug. Hey, I didn't want my daughter to just lay there. Millie knowing that she should never be normal. She will need me wake up because of rain brains. Was shattered. So there's no. No way. So I figured. Go. That was high. Knowing that she just lay there. Nothing or rain functioning. So that was fine. Hi. But every time I think about it. How many company shooting in face? All are. All are vital organs were given to somebody else. She had that nother. Drivers. Marlene died at age forty on Memorial Day may twenty eighth nineteen ninety two days. After the clown shot her other than nurses. Nobody was at her bedside when she died. By then Michael Warren and Sheila Keane were already at the center of the murder investigation. Marlene's mother told police of the problems in her daughter's marriage. In fact, she said she told him that her daughter was afraid of Michael. Matter of fact, one time she came home because he's threatened. With the boys before Johnny kill. And then they talked her into going back about six or eight weeks before the shooting. Jamie Murray twang had what would be her last conversation with her stepsister Marlene. Jamie knew her sister and brother-in-law fought. But as they talked Marlene hinted at a darker shadow over her marriage. Marlene told her sister. If anything happens to me get Joey out. She's whole another sister, Julie that she was going to get a divorce. The affair between Michael and Sheila had bubbled to the surface of the murder case. And since nearly everything the Warren's owned bargain Motors. The lavish Wellington house all the rental properties. We're in Marlene's name police were onto a possible motive. Marlene sister. Deborah raker found out a day or two before the shooting about Michael's affair Merlene told her during a phone conversation that she confronted Michael and told him she wasn't putting up with him anymore. Debre said Michael beat her sister up about a year earlier and Marlene threatened to leave Michael allegedly told Marlene he would kill her. If she tried to even Joey Aarons who was home the day the clown shot. His mother told investigators that about three to five days before the shooting. She had threatened to leave Michael, quote, if he did not straighten up. Michael was never home and Marlene was depressed. She contemplated what to do with the rest of her life and dreamed of a normal marriage with the husband who was home nights and weekends. But that was a boring life to Michael. One by one the people who knew the Warren's and Sheila Keane piece together, the story of three lives lurching toward disaster. There was Marlene's nephew Ronald willows. Ian lived with the warrants for half a year in nineteen eighty eight. He said the two didn't get along. And that Michael quote ran around with other women a lot. And janey fitne- the girlfriend of a bargain Motors employee said Michael told her he would never divorce Marlene because she would take all of his money. One of Michael's cousins. Bobby Joe Carter said Michael treated, his wife like dirt, and he saw Merlene crying and upset in the past. So did Marlene's friend Mary Moomaw who saw sullen miserable Marlene when the two had lunch together three days before the shooting. Marlene confided in Mary that she no longer had a sex life with Michael. And that she believed he was having an affair with Sheila, Keane. In fact, just before the visit from the killer clown Marlene was making plans to take our son with her to Michigan. The warrants deteriorating marriage and Michael's affair with Sheila were at the center of the homicide investigation. But Marlene wasn't even buried when a more substantial break in the case was made in the parking lot of grocery store. It's the day before Marlene's funeral a car sits in a spot in the parking lot of shopping plaza in Royal Palm Beach, less than eight miles northeast of the Warren home. An employee of the winn-dixie grocery store at the shopping plaza knows the car's been there since at least for a m two days earlier. It hasn't been moved and nobody has been seen near it. She believes it's been abandoned and calls police. It's a white Chrysler lebaron and police trace it to pay less rent a car and discover had been reported stolen weeks earlier. So detectives TOA to police headquarters and call PayLess for permission to search it within two hours. Investigators are combing through it. Jim depalma was a reporter for the south Florida Sun-Sentinel who covered the murder and the early days of the investigation. I still remember to this day. We're the car was parked in the parking lot and having all the police surrounded with police tape, do not cry do not cross kind of crime scene tape and seeing it out all their and then work it for hours in the sun in that searing, he in the sun working on the fingerprints and everything on that car before they towed it away to see what was going on during their search police. Find cruelly orange fibers on the front passenger seat possibly from a wig. There are more in the backseat and inside the driver's door. For detectives dot confirms. It the killer clowns getaway car has been found. And along with the orange fibers police also discover several strands of long Brown hair within hours of the discovery of the lebaron investigators were at she looked apartment armed with a search warrant. Just a few days earlier Sheila was denying everything about having an affair with Michael about ever owning or dressing up in a clown costume about buying flowers or balloons and about the murder of Marlene Warren. She said she had been out repossessing cars on the day of the shooting. But couldn't recall any of the addresses, she'd visited later after police knocked on her door with a search warrant she clammed up. She told detectives, quote, if you meaning the police think I am a suspect than a wished to have a lawyer. They scour the place, including child's bedroom, where her son stayed Charles was a few months from his third birthday and spent time at sheila's apartment, even though he mostly stayed with his father Richard Keene from her apartment. Police took away shoes t shirts and jackets as well. As a hairbrush a bathroom trash bag and a full vacuum cleaner bag. They also found synthetic orange fibers the next day. Police watched from van as Marlene Warren was laid to rest one detective conducted video surveillance while an agent from the organized crime bureau. Photographed funeral guests with a thirty five millimeter camera the heat was on. So by the day of the funeral. Michael Warren, also had stopped talking to police and he had hired an attorney John as Wilbur. As the murder investigation entered its second week. It's high speed pace wasn't letting up on June fifth. A red foam knows was turned into police by a Royal Palm Beach man named Ray Gregory, although police have never given details about how and where it was found. They believed it was the nose worn by Marlene's killer. It had a hair on it. But tests in nineteen ninety didn't produce DNA profile. And then there was the bullet the clown fired into Marlene's face during her autopsy had been removed from her neck and examined by ballistics experts. What turned up was a curious possible link to a gun Sheila had recently been looking for. The bullet was either a thirty eight or three fifty seven caliber possibly shot from Remington a make less common than the popular Colt or Smith and Wesson models for detectives that revelation was significant she reportedly owned an obscure brand of a thirty eight caliber revolver, Richard Keene toll police Sheila had called him about a month before Marlene's murder asking if he'd seen that misplaced gun around the same time Sheila also asked her mother about it Mary shelter told police that Sheila had called to ask her to search her house in Indian town for the missing gun. It wasn't there. Detectives were amassing pile of circumstantial evidence in Orleans murder case. The stolen getaway car with the orange wig fibers the store clerks who said they sold Sheila flowers balloons and a clown suit the alarming conversations, Michael allegedly had with family and associates the gun, the warrants finances and the affair between Mike Lynch Sheila. But there were few if any physical clues could link anybody to Marlene's murder. Still there was a crime. They were closing in on. And it was going to send Michael Warren to prison for years. Among the earliest hands that Michael was breaking the law at his car. Lot came just a day after the clown shooting. A sergeant from the West Palm Beach. Police department called sheriff's investigators to tell them that bargain Motors had been under surveillance there were rumors of theft and other illicit activities. The police sergeant said Michael was allegedly involved in prostitution, drugs, loansharking, and dealing stolen property. Suzanne Gould was the office manager at bargain Motors. And she told police Michael had been altering the mileage of cars on his lot and falsifying title records and Russian air of unprofessionalism that went on just everything started heading south. I wanted to not be working very has just got and comfortable like I said I needed to job. And was is that. I saw fangs police were learning that Michael had been overcharging customers on insurance he was also rolling back mileage on rental cars to cover warranties and unused car. So he could charge more and police learn from employees at the law that Michael was running chop shop operation reports said that in one case Michael had one of his guys steal customers. Nineteen Eighty-nine Camaro from near her house after she gave him a down payment. He had charged her quote, extremely high payments to ensure it the customer reported, the car stolen, and Michael later collected the insurance check and deposit into bargain Motors Bank account. In July, two months after the shooting. Police went to bargain Motors to serve a subpoena on one of Michael's employees. The employees didn't appear to be there. But others in the office told police he was. He was hiding in a closet with Michael Warren. So officers knocked and they not for fifteen minutes. The police report said that when the two finally came out Michael was combative and verbally abusive to the officers. Three months later. The investigation of bargain Motors came to a head when police swarm the lot in surprise nighttime raid. On October twenty fifth nineteen ninety an arrest warrant was issued for Michael Warren and two of his employees twenty one year old twins. Ronald and Donald Carter. Investigators raided bargain Motors that night. They took away filing cabinets filled with business transactions and comb, the car lot looking for evidence of stolen vehicles. The arrested Ronald Carter at the lot. But his brother wasn't there. Neither was Michael. But the next day he turned himself in at the Palm Beach county sheriff's office. The state charged him with sixty six felonies on counts of racketeering, grand theft, conspiring to commit ground theft operating chop shop and dealing in stolen property when it came to the venture and killing NGO, Michael one and. I just wanted to keep myself separate for that. Because I had seen enough to know that. Moriah? No, the worse feel probably be. I ended up in that situation. And I tried to keep high is. Hixon a wall rather than you know, looking around, but I did look around not an idiot. So there was there is actively going on that I will not discuss you just like. Working in a festival. And I don't really wanna know anybody here at Michael's bond hearing on October twenty seven prosecutors said that Michael was possibly a suspect in Marlene's murderer prosecutor Alan Gieszi told the court, quote, we have strong information that links the defendant as a possible suspect in the murder of his wife Marlene warrant Michael stayed behind bars for three days until his mother. Joyce Clayton put her home up as collateral for a twenty five thousand dollar reduced bail. And he was released with his case is starting at slow dragged through the court system. Michael was free to resume his relationship with shield keen, and they did so in spectacular fashion. In January nineteen ninety one Marlene Warren had been dead for seven months, and Michael and Sheila, Ron -cation in the Bahamas. Couple who was also vacationing in the island was having dinner at Crystal Palace hotel. It was a sprawling beachfront resort and casino nestled among other posh hotels on the turquoise blue waters of now's north shore at the table next to them sat Michael Warren and Sheila, Keane. The couple told police that the two were acting strangely. And she listened worried about where to sit. But Michael was all talk. He bragged about the sweet he and Sheila were staying in and about the money. He was spending in the casino. He told them he had dropped and lost more than one hundred thousand dollars. Detective confirmed their story discovered that Michael Sheila had stayed at the resort between January seventeenth and nineteenth nineteen Ninety-one. They didn't have to pay for the room because they were frequent gamblers the hotel gave it to them complementary. By may nineteen ninety one a year had gone by since Marlene Warren's murder and the investigation was at a frustrating. Stagnation a detective working the murder case said there was enough evidence to make an arrest but stayed attorneys were concerned. There was not enough physical evidence for a successful prosecution. Just over a year after the murder, the northwestern Mutual Life Insurance company paid out the claim Marlene Warren's death policy Michael was the sole beneficiary. And he was given a check for fifty three thousand three hundred fifty seven dollars and thirty seven cents. As the months went by and Michael waited for his fraud and racketeering trial. Investigators got several tips that he was scheming about how to disappear they were told. He was amassing gold bars that he could quickly convert to cash in Casey had to flee the country. He was contacting plastic surgeons in Tampa and San Diego, and he was exploring how to start over with a new identity in Baja Mexico, but none of that happened and his trial for felonious activity on his car. Lot started in July nineteen ninety two. The charges against Michael were serious and the potential punishment severe if convicted as charged he faced a prison sentence of up to two hundred and thirty seven years. Over the two week trial. Prosecutors made the case that Michael was duping customers and insurance companies for financial gain. Michael's lawyer John Wilbur argued that discrepancies in mileage on car rentals and sales agreements were just the result of sloppy recordkeeping at bargain Motors. The jury of three women and three men deliberated for eighteen hours over a three day period. On august. Seventh nineteen ninety two forty year old Michael warrants that sullen as the verdicts were read. Guilty on one count of racketeering, twenty one counts of dominant fraud eleven counts of grant that and ten counts of petty theft. He turned himself into police at evening. The sentencing hearing happened on November eleventh nineteen ninety two Michael was facing a lengthy prison term. But the judge surprised everyone with dramatic decision in a severe admonishment of the state attorneys. The judge sentenced Michael to twenty two years of probation. No prison time, then he ripped into prosecutors. Home each County Circuit Court judge. Walter Cole bath junior said if Michael Warren's wife had not been the victim of the so-called clown murder. He never would have been tried for racketeering. If you have evidence to charge Michael with killing his wife. Judge Cole bath told prosecutors then quote get on with it. The state attorney's brushed off the judge's comments and appeal the sentence while they did Michael posted a seventy five thousand dollar bond and was released for the eighteen months. The appeal took little is known about where Michael Warren and Sheila keen were or what they were doing. But finally on March twenty fourth nineteen ninety four Michael was stripped of his freedom when an appeals court tossed out his sentence. Michael's new sentence was nine years in Florida state prison his term would start one week later. But I it was party time for Michael and a girlfriend he introduced as Debbie here's reporter tony'll as before Michael went off to prison is friends and south Florida through him a going away party and one of the people who was at that party. His name is Carol Mullins and he lives in Virginia. Now, he talked to police and said that that was the last time he saw Michael. So it was kind of. You know around spring and ninety four and he attended that party. And he said he'd never met anyone named Sheila. But the at this party Michael's girlfriend, Debbie was there, and she's the long Brown haired brunette, and the plan was that she was going to manage the restaurant that Michael had recently bought and Tennessee while Michael was locked up. And that was the last time Gary will remember seeing Mike or girlfriend Debbie on Thursday, March thirty first nineteen ninety four Michael Warren was behind bars. Michael served out his prison time in south Florida. The majority in a minimum security work camp in homestead south of Miami. He worked there as an orderly and a labor for the state transportation department his prison record was spotless. And after four years he was released early for good behavior. On New Year's Eve nineteen ninety seven Michael walked out of prison and into a fresh new life. He gave the corrections department has mother's address as his residents thirty two hundred south ocean drive in a building bordered on two sides by water and exclusive Palm Beach Florida, but whether he ever stayed there isn't known in fact, Michael's footsteps for the next two decades are difficult to trace and the investigation into Marlene. Warren's bizarre murder went ice cold. While Michael's new life after prison was mostly a mystery. There are a few clues one is a two thousand to document that homicide. Detectives in Florida wouldn't learn about for twelve years. It's a marriage certificate. On august. Fifteenth two thousand to just over a dozen years after his wife's murder, Michael remarried and his Las Vegas bride was Sheila, Keane. On the certificate, Michael. And Sheila Warren reported they were making their home in eastern, Tennessee. Meanwhile, in Florida reporter, Jim depalma says there was virtually no movement in the investigation into Marlene. Warren's murder we follow in following following. Then after a while the leads just kinda dried up we've found out you know, about Michael's previous arrest record. There was no proof about Sheila, Michael actually, have an affair and then on top of it whether that that had anything to do with more leans murder all of that was just you could take it so far. But then after that it became a dead end. And it became a dead end the police to the investigators they did everything they could at the time after a while there just wasn't really a lot to talk about. And we're a few tips, but mostly dead ends in one tip an anonymous caller on June twenty seventh two thousand said he knew the location of the murder weapon. And part of the clown costume police trace the call to Donald Carter one of Michael's twin cut. Who worked on his car lot? Argon motors. In a sworn statement Donald said that one day Michael gave him a gun to hide he put it in the attic of his parents home. He also said he was given a clown way to get rid of it was wrapped in spark plug wire. So it would sink in water donelson. He threw the whig into a canal off military trail in West Palm Beach. Detectives didn't find the gun in the attic and divers searched the canal for the whig with no luck. Two years later in late two thousand two police in Virginia contacted the sheriff's office in Palm Beach county about an investigation they were conducting into drug trafficking. The drug investigation was unrelated to the Wellington killer clown case, but it did come up in discussions between Virginia and Florida. Detectives. Michael Warren's name came up to. But the investigation produced no leads in the murder case. To Jim to Pala. It seemed interest in the case had dried up byu crime reporter for eighteen years will usually what you would see is when family members had unsolved murder in their family. They were always going to the police and the police always made an effort to like maybe have a year anniversary five year anniversary tenure diversity is needed to remind the public. We're still trying to solve this crime. But then never really happened to Morley's case everybody just kinda it kinda just kinda just kinda withered on the vine if I could say it that way but late in twenty thirteen the investigation was given new life long Brown hairs, orange fibers and new technology broke the case wide open and sent cold case. Detectives into the mountains of Tennessee and Virginia. It started with a one hundred twenty five thousand dollar grant from the federal government. Investigators from the Palm Beach county sheriff's office used it to form a task force aimed at once and for all closing the case of the killer. Clown of Wellington. The team took a fresh look at evidence that had been collected two decades earlier. The focus was on fibers and hairs that had been found in the clowns getaway car as well as the samples of Sheila Qian's hair that had been collected during the nineteen ninety search of her apartment. They also had hair and blood samples. She'll had provided. And a strand of long Brown hair that was found tangled in the ribbons attached to the clowns balloon delivery on the day of the murder. DNA tests had been done decades earlier, but we're not conclusive. With advances in DNA technology, the lead detective order new tests by an FBI lab. Investigators also track down witnesses for new rounds of questioning. One of them was an employee of Michael's named Claude Poitras and he had stunning information about the getaway car. But he was in Canada because he was a freight for his life. Claude worked at bargain Motors for three or four years and admitted to police that he was involved in the dominant tampering that sent Michael to prison, and he sealed the story about the stolen Chrysler lebaron. He said he was with Michael and Sheila when they drove to the PayLess car light. And he watched Michael get into the car and take the keys out of the sun visor and started up and drive away Claude said he and Sheila followed for ways, and then they pulled over Sheila got out and joined Michael the lebaron they went off and Claude return to the bargain Motors. He told police that a few weeks after the clowns getaway car was found. Michael told him to quote, never say anything about the Chrysler lebaron to anybody. When Michael stepped up the pressure on Claude. He began to feel endanger believe it's in early. Nineteen ninety one. Claude. He gets a subpoena from the state attorney's office to come in and speak to investigators. And as soon as Michael found out that Claude had gotten subpoenaed. He started calling Claude every day multiple times a day and Claude was feeling more and more unease -i other workers out the car lot said he was getting very nervous. In fact, he quit his job at the Karla and was waiting tables at an Italian restaurant nearby. And when he did give a statement to police in February of ninety one he had plans to in fact, leave the country and go back to Canada where he was from immediately. After the interview. He told police that he was afraid Michael would kill him or as girlfriend if Michael found out the Claud was talking to police was a quote from a police report, if Claude story was credible. He puts Sheila and Michael right in the clowns getaway car so in October twenty fourteen Boorda detective flew to Montreal and convinced Claude to cooperate with the investigation. Suddenly Marlene's murder case was picking up steam. On an early fall evening in September twenty seventeen Michael Warren and his wife Sheila are on the road driving back from visit to see her mother in Vermont. They're just a few minutes from their home in tiny historic Abington Virginia. But here in Abington, no one no Sheila to them. She's debbie. Up until last spring. Mike and Debbie Warren poured they're all into a popular little fast food drive through called the purple cow just across the border in Tennessee. It's a long busy Lee highway in a long but narrow building with a giant hamburger on the roof and four life size cows out front. The warrens are hard workers for at least a decade and a half. They pulled six day work weeks to make the burger joint a success. Their hours were so long that they spent more nights at the nearby home Sheila owned in a quiet suburban cul de sac, then in Abington at their grand lakefront mansion forty five minutes away. Abington is tucked in the Blue Ridge mountains, it's a quaint town where the oldest building dates back to seventeen seventy nine and its main street is quintessential USA brick storefronts, lined the main street there are teak stores a soda shop that spells it S H O P P E and the opulent Martha Washington in and now that the warrants had sold the purple cow there relaxing into retirement in the comforts of the steeple home. They had custom built in two thousand two. It's a massive house with a steep circular driveway concrete fountain and a boat dock out front. There are about two dozen equally lavish homes in the tightknit Herron point development. This is a community where neighbors buzz around on golf carts and stopped to chat when they see each other. Here. Mike and Debbie are warm quick to laugh inseparable couple. They even share a Facebook page their next door. Neighbors are their best friends and together. They celebrate birthdays holidays the advent of summer, Mike and Debbie loved throwing parties for friends often on their dock in front of their house other times they throw viewing parties in their basement where they have a movie watching room filled with collector pinball machines, nobody who knows the warrants here in Abington has a clue that either had been married before. They don't know they came from Florida that Mike had spent time in prison or that. Debbie's real name is Sheila keen, but on this little country road on their way back from Vermont. Mike and Debbie's past is about to catch up with them. They're winding through the hills in their black Cadillac SUV. It's evening around five thirty and they're about five minutes from home when a police car swings in behind them. They pull over at a dusty opening on the narrow country road. Michaels behind the wheel and deputy from the Washington county sheriff's office approaches his window. But he's here for Sheila. She looked keen Warren. And they have a warrant for her arrest. Startled and shaken she gets out of the V Michael now, sixty five can only watch as his wife is handcuffed and put in the back of a patrol car. Sheila asks the deputy in the car if she's under arrest Lieutenant Dewey Fulton. Answer's yes. Sheila has another question, but it's not about what she's under arrest four. She only wants to know quote is my husband under arrest. Lieutenant Fulton answers. Not yet. Finally in an interview room at the sheriff's office, an investigator asked Sheila she wants to know why she's being charged. When he tells her it's for the nineteen ninety murder of Marlene, Warren, Sheila Keane, says she doesn't want to talk and puts her head down on the table. The state attorney made the announcement. Miss Sheila Q mourn has been indicted. The first remote with a firearm. The potential penalty in this case is life in prison and potentially the death penalty despite a mountain of circumstantial evidence that began to pile up with an hours of the shooting. What was missing for almost three decades was physical evidence that directly tied anybody to the murder Palm Beach county sheriff Rick Bradshaw said investigators couldn't make a move against Sheila until they were certain. They would only get one chance at a conviction. Here's them thing to fake, somebody did something there's a Noah thing to know that they did it and be able to prove it a court. We wanna make sure we got the right person. Because if we don't have the right person number one, we don't want to put it in person in jail Nobre to the real perpetrators still out there. We don't want that to happen. What finally put Sheila Keenan handcuffs were hair and blood samples collected decades? Earlier. The new round of DNA tests ordered by Lee detective page McCann paid off. Mccoll cases, we kind of we have a big puzzle and some of the pieces already filled in in a lot of it was already filled in by the investigation done by the initial detectives. We just needed a few of those little pieces of the puzzle. And we were able to do that with Dan new technologies and DNA, and we were able to complete the puzzle in I think that's what led to the indictment the arrest after so many years took Florida and Marlene's family by surprise. The accused killer clown had been unmasked. It was news Marlene's mother. Shirley ght-wing had been waiting twenty seven years and four months to hear. I hope I hope he gets what she just. That's how I can say. I can wrist. As she looked keen sits in jail awaiting trial, many questions remain today. Undoubtedly one of the biggest among them is what role if any Michael Warren played in his wife's murder. The potential motives are hard to ignore the affair a five bigger insurance payment full ownership of the couples properties, including the car dealership. The lavish Wellington home, the seventeen rental properties. Records indeed show that investigators considered Michael suspect early in the investigation of his wife's murderer. But today late in October twenty eighteen police and prosecutors will only give one answer to the question of his involvement. The case is still ongoing, and we will definitely work diligently to determine if anyone else was involved. Sheila's lawyer richer Lubin insists police arrested the wrong person a case that lingered for this long without an arrest was was obviously not a slam dunk. Like, they knew who did it from the very beginning. Lubin says that not only is there. No, physical evidence against Sheila. Even the clowns gender is not known for certain Merlene, son, Joey and his girlfriend saw the clown that day in nineteen ninety and both told police they believed it was a man. But within two months of the murder police were convinced the clown was a woman, though, they have never said how they were. So certain. The question will likely come up at sheila's trial was without a man or woman. On Friday, October six twenty seventeen. Sheila Keane, Warren, pleaded not guilty to the murder of Marlene Warren. Prosecutors announced they will pursue the death penalty against her. Michael Warren remained in Abingdon Virginia. Where he currently lives alone in his lakeside mansion. The south Florida. Sun sentinel will continue to cover sheila's trial as well as any new developments. In the killer. Clown case felonious, Florida will bring you updates through social media our newsletter and bonus episodes you can sign up at felonious, Florida dot com. 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#781 - Jimmy Shubert

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#781 - Jimmy Shubert

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Somebody I have to apologize to on the air Mr Jimmy two shoes Schubert Al Philadelphia. One of my early mentors in the family game. He had a movie. He was shooting over in a career on the sixteenth and seventeenth eighteenth of March and I nearly fucked and went to his house because he had me so worried. I love my friends. I love the input. Actually it was march. Second through the ninth and I was like that second season of this show and already done the first season but I like people said he but actually tell you the truth. I I was wearing a mask back then. I knew it was serious when I got the Korea. Like everybody's wear masks to setzer smaller over there. Not as big as they aren't old before you went to career when you sign the plane that you write out a will. Did you tell you mother goodbye? I had gloves goggles. I had a man I called. You got on that play. You know what I would do if I waited too long and and believe me. I'm glad I did it. Because that money's GonNa get tutors pandemic but Jesus man I would say were. I was nervous but I was also like I'm just GonNa just social distance and wear my mask and gloves and goggles. I wasn't playing games. That much second distress had developed as much people as May. I saw March second calmly store and I was done back. In February I was in Atlantic City and the hard rock casino and even then and Lysol. My Room Sprain. I was in touching everything already in Feb unless they stop when billionaires stop with the NBA and the NHL Dot would. They're going to lose billions of dollars. I went the sum up here. Something's something's real than you were monitoring it and I just said something else that. Maybe they're not telling us so. I wasn't taking any chances eight gloves. I'm a little bit of pressure. I had I already had the end ninety. I have occasionally just a little box of the ninety five mass and the rubber gloves goggles. I mean just because you never. I'd rather I'd rather have that stuff. Sorry ABS- yeah so and sure enough. When I was going I had the gloves and the mask to Baghdad. I get to mass cloth. Mass over top of that ninety-five mass. But I wasn't taking any chances I just wasn't like even when every day every day I love the rate I call that I'm told not to allow you back on the comedy store. You mother I mean I gotTa do it. I can't I gotTA save my people. This guy wanted to Korea. Then I call you a weakling. You like I'm having a great time. I'm in Boston. Lenny Clarke kill another one of my idols. No no no I do I was I did I was I was putting stuff on social distancing pissed me off was when I called you and you said you came back. I didn't even bother you know test. No hello no welcome to America is a fucking dammit coming in. Well I'm also a citizen. I mean the line for people coming in from UNIM- places Pat was like hardcore but would me I saw. We had to goggles and mask. Hoodie up to bag. Mass on a rubber gloves is yes. I have to take all that stuff off once again and he saw my grades. Yeah but they didn't they didn't they didn't stop. They took my temperature before I left. Create twice today. What okay say doing over there? Not they were like twice they. It's part of the new who thing. Yeah yeah they were take they take your temperature twice and on the way back. Joey there was nobody from fifteen. Nobody was in my section of a business class. There was nobody in there. I was like this is awesome. You know what I mean and you know. They had the curtains drawn. There was another section another sexual. The section I was in nobody was in there so it wasn't worried on the way back when the way over there was really not a lot of people around me either so a monopoly on. That's all I was at the park with my daughter. I had just gotten back from Vegas and I just called you the check in now. We're like I'm going to Korea and I'm like I thought it was like a bad doing a might would well but at this time. I didn't know architecture either so that was my fault. I'm not good with geography once. You Say I'm going to Philippines. I'm thinking everything's to China at that time. Yeah at that time. I thought all the Asian countries and I have nothing against that wasn't blaming anybody. I was just like Jimmy. You're gone yeah believe me. I call call your manager. I told him I said You. GotTa get me out of this. He goes Bro. Angers were committed. You'll leave it like that. I was leaving money as you can't do this to these guys and I go. I so I went but also I look up to South Korea and the infection in South Korea was in the gas which is like. It's like five hundred miles from where I was going. Soul is a city of eleven million people and they only had one hundred cases and I was checking. They were doing drive through testing. They were already on top of it so I said I'm going for a week I could get in. I get out. I'm only on a set three days and I'll just go hit and run this social distance and I did and thank God. Nothing happened but you're right. I was a little nervous but it also prep me for everything else. That was wear a mask. I I wouldn't even in Boston. I had a mask on and were kind of making fun of me. Then I got an Lenny Lenny Clarke. Pick me up you know. He's one of my heroes as well. I got a mask. I don't WanNa kill kill any so I had a mask on and finally like social distancing and stuff when you were there but it was like I mean that was it. I knew I didn't once I got to the end of March. I knew I was good. I'll right right. I mean how you feel great man. I've been walking test. And he called the antibody test interested. Cassie I would do a task but I know I know. I'm good that I take my vitamins morning. I been walking every day. I've been walking every day five miles a day last two days. We did six miles or boy. Steve Simone we. At least I add up. They're just trying to get it. Just getting that sunshine man. I just read this the other day. Sunshine even twenty minutes of the Sun. The body produces micro bacteria viruses and parasites and everything else out there for an hour and a half walking six miles. That's even better than that. It's even better now more parasites you get what happens when you eat the worms inside so you know what I'm saying like you gotta realize you beef. What's in the beef when you eat all this shit? You're reading what's ended. Toxins in your body needs to get rid of him. Yeah so the best way to for you. Yeah Your Body pisses. Some of them Yeah sometimes you take a shit that smells like Oh my God. I've been pill three or four dollars a day. That's nature's penicillin that's nature's penicillin. Then I make my wife. How many dollars closes the recipe call for white people? They stick to the recipe talking. Three golic glows put six. Yeah well it won't taste to say we'll taste better. It's Golic and our shit blood and cleans. You thought that I'm a big Alec Dude. Always have been with Bob. Blow sent me the capitals. I was like the old days like my mom when I was a kid. Used to make me close. Buddah with Cuban bread and our oil. I I came from. I still remember garlic. Aren't going to Brent no fucking cook garlic like raw garlic with olive oil and whatever you know what? I don't like fuck in a vampire. You know what I do. I take the clothes garland shop. Mom put this stuff called Manuka honey. It's like a superfood. It's like a cost like twenty thirty bucks but it's just roll super group and I put garlic in the honey and swallow. It helps me get it down. But you're right. You take dumps boy. They stink but I'd rather I'd rather I'm telling you that's nature's penicillin. I'd rather take like you said Simone. Goes I think I put too much? Carla. Can the sauce. I can give it to me like it. You know. We live in California which lost people listen to living forty you live in Arizona with some people in New York or some people in England with you. It's been cloudy every day. Whatever the fuck you know you I loud. I loved the Sun the best son I've ever been out in front of his Colorado's a kid and I go to Aspen. You walk ten minutes. Came back with people. Go when you come from Jamaica your twelve thousand feet higher than most people a fourteen thousand feet yeah. I went out and bought. Spf that would run and hitchhike. Couple like wetter. Fuck so I fell in love with the sun. I've always liked the sun. Yeah I never knew the healing properties. You don't have the. The Sun is right now. This pollution down Laurel Canyon and see how Lo- how much you could far how far you can look into tonight. Take Iraq fourth laugh just to change. What was the last time with the Hollywood leave member a month? Okay today just what dirty? When you think it's supposed to be trafficky getting your Congo belongs to see all the way out there all the way to most spectacular thing you have ever seen none of us to see it before now you can actually see that little house that has a portion in front of it and kids playing. You could see all the cleanest in the air so the as been the best. That's ever been. They showed the air in Delfi. Do whatever you could see the Himalayas Zeh. It's tremendous now no no bothers. Disease is not staying home. It's getting out is getting now. She'll get out in the sun no void. Yeah that's what I'm saying. People we do this walk in the neighborhood. There's nobody back there. There's this blue birds others. He Boo Birds. Butterflies feel finches. I mean you walk Greece the orders stuff that you never get. When's the last time we've seen this this Burj everywhere you know? The flowers are blooming. I will stay away. We social distance walking. But it's great to get out. I'm telling you I feel great this. This'll be day savage seven days. Five at least five miles a day doing for the first couple of weeks. We just a single guy I mean. How is it feeling for you at the house? Well you know exactly where you're getting this couple of days. You know like I like after like blade raffling three days. It was getting me down. I Miss Doing standup. I won- I was kind of A. I had a freak out and then I want now get up. Every day started reading books. I'm reading four books. I got one one by the toilet one by my bed one by my couch so I got books going. I got I watched a couple of documentaries catching up once or stuff and wanted to catch up on every decorated much join. I'm turning my back bedroom legal. Social Media's three I'm just I'm keeping myself busy and walk in a meeting healthy I'm cooking. I'm learning how to cook some stuff that I wanted to caught. Couldn't cook try that look? I'm just trying to stay positive. I'm trying to stay focused. You're right there's thinking beat yet but you gotTa make a decision. I mean I'm Glenda beach up physical mental. What's the word it's GonNa like the the beaten taken already? You're going into a fight with a financial stigma. Going into your. Yeah you're about to lose everything so you can do two things you can sit there and worry. Kill yourself you know. I'm not you listen. Things work out for low unemployment. They all work out whatever but then I think like I read log on time about how kids from this generation are affected. I have her involved all day. She's been gone since eight. Fifteen this morning. Yeah you know. I don't let her. She's waiting for me right now. The hit the mets because she gets three stars. I get her outside throwing punches. She throws nine pound ball so I put myself on the schedule. It's been a blessing to have her. WanNa shoot yourself. She says some deal. That makes you laugh stupid. You know I gotta ask you about something mouse. Not because you mentioned it I mean more than me and more than these fucking pieces of shit on themselves. Comedians with no class. You have been a veteran of two comedy wars here. You were a veteran of Kennison days at the comedy store which History there is three and then these last seven years which is been a great run at the store. Absolutely we all know as human being that's GonNa take a minute to get it back to where it was all our businesses every other club in the country you know. Yeah what do you see happening for yourself comedy for the year as a whole well? I'm glad you brought it up. I'm in May Fifteenth. I got a brand new album. Drama called zero tolerance. It's coming out on Siriusxm but also be available on all platforms on Fifty I. I I think it's one of my best albums so I got that coming out and I'm also working. I'm just keeping keeping right. What I think will happen. That's why I think I think if you've got a comedy club that seats three hundred people that Comedy Club Now. Seat one fifty. Do some social distance seating initially so people aren't sitting right next to each other until they get back to the point where everybody feels comfortable but I think so. The money's GonNa drop I think a lot of the clubs have struggled like the like the the the The cert the the servers adopt struggled. These people are have a tough time. Make living so. I think it's going to come back a little bit gradually but I do think eventually it will come all the way back. I think people want to hear what Comedians have to say about. This is all new. I mean you know. They say survived the pandemic. You can say that when you get to that point and people are going to want to hear what you have to say about it. I think people need to laugh more than ever. Now I mean you know and people donate virtual fucking comedy. Show fucking knock it off. We shop with virtually senior in front of a packed house on a Saturday night. Go down like Iraqi fighter pilot. What makes you think you'd be any funnier from you? Fucking living room. Your wife just fucking walked out of the Living Room. We take you said stop it. Look man the cats making a rope to hang themselves. I swear to God here up. What you fucking Shit. Fuck an act. You're always saying I've seen those things and I love. Listen much respect for giving a shot. It doesn't work for me. Look you get sucked on me. Ask by mistake. It looks looks like a lot of fun. Some guy struggling. You know what I'm saying. Some big black dude has permeated. That looks like fun to do that to somebody that. Don't you WANNA do back in March second? I sat here with Leeann play Johnny Genius. Mainly we're GONNA get the pantry ongoing and charge ten bucks a month and I was. GonNa move that chair. Put that couch slide. A down and put Simone Eric Roja Lee Lee and Dean Dowry and here every night and just do a night of new material every night. Tonight's topic draw out of a hat. Penises boom three minutes three minutes. I thought this was going to work and then I was like I'm GonNa Kill Them. We're going to kill each other if somebody's GonNa get the corona right because I knew just sitting ab myself wasn't really going to cut it. I just know I just know you need that energy. You need that now. I know that there's people that have certain platforms that they have people watching you in that. Laughter is delayed really trying. Yeah God bless them you know what for me? I'm taking a breather. I'm with you. I'm taking a breather. I've been approached to do a couple. I'm just not. I mean like I mean realistically it's been a fucking month like you've been you've been by yourself from I get it. Some people don't have the skill set but I certainly don't want you sit in your liberal with a fucking Ukulele fucking song parodies like everybody turns into Weirdo. Yankovic I go. Don't you have something else like? It's like this not doing anything for me. These people are fucking turn like Franken Karen. Fuck an expert on infectious diseases like shut. Some dude shaved his chest hair to a bat. Signal indicted Blue Unicorn team for fuck and Greet Weeks Thomas Casino. Now what happened? He sucked the Dick. Is He gay? No he was just bored. Inquired David decided to see what he did. Yeah like people that get the fuck off. It's only been a couple of weeks. We'll talk about because I always comics complain. Are the roads boring or by yourself in a hotel room? It sounds like you guys have been preparing for this for me. I'm doing fine. I've been quarantined for years. I like being by myself. I get it but there's also people that have mental issues that don't do well and stuff like this and need human contact or whatever. I'll tell you ever since the beauty salons closed with the nail salons selfish of drop like the stock market. Ain't nobody gonNA posted selfish and flown off. They gotta get the baked. You're not able to wax your back. It's like you know just fucking it is served. I think it's a hard set for humanity. I think it's a hard reset for. I think a lot of people have taken things for granted. We've complacent thank you. We've little things. Thank you turns out now. What the big things to handshakes hugging your friends. Tell jokes having to drink having some last together. I'm telling you man you never take that shift for granted ever again but we have. We have we been mean to each other. You know what you realized. This is proven to me. The Planet Earth Is Ajay. Human ecosphere. And we're all kind of connected. What hurts the Guy? The other side of the world hurts me as well and that we should all fucking learn what. I do have faith in is that we got some of the smartest minds in the world trying to solve this problem. And we're all UNITED IN ONE CAUSE. I think I think we need to be more like that. I think people need to be more like that. I think people need to be kinder. You see someone struggling. Stop help them up. Don't be a means fucking asshole be kind. I think that you see like the air is clear. Has Been Rivers are coming back? Fisher like repopulating. Maybe this was much going. Hey listen we live on a planet where anything spiders snakes Carol Baskin a Lotta Shakin? Fuck but this is. I think it's just a real hard reset for humanity and I think you just like you said on the way in people doing some of that big work up top they work. They haven't thought inside school. Nobody's really thought since high school. Yeah you got into High School College. A SAT's be t's resumes you move from. Emerson. You're in an apartment. You don't know what's going on charging you for parking that you never had a chance to really sit down with your own outside bleeding. I gotTa tell you this I tell you it is seriously you know how this work. I've been selling. U is a form of meditation. To let you know is okay when you get back from walk in which the I want you to take bobby pants immediately. Take your shirt. Don't eat none. Don't sit down and you jump in the show you get a and this is where the true meditation comes in this kind of build. Your heart is the stretching at the end of the stretching sitting for the best amount of time that you even if you laid down and yoga they call it So awesome so Vasa and just realize at the end the outcome your heart down and this is what's helped me last couple of weeks ago. First Week to sit in the bag is I was five minutes away from a stroke. Yeah I was scared to death because the fear was coming up my neck. That's true type shit but I would punch through the fear it just kept on hoax and digging into the body like rocky and it. It seems you know I was so scared. That the first five minutes of anything that whether body weights squat? I would need five minutes just to relax by heart and mind would spin out of control solicits become like. I'm back to meditate another as the sound so good man it just calms at all download ternary focus on the nose inbreeding and let everything go away your mother your father the cat you don't want you can't pay rent let FUCK DONALD LLAMAS. We just release just released. I do that every day. After my work. Outside in the heat of the sun sweating I gotta wipe my eyebrows while doing and I just sit there but my fingers together as Gaz it sounds. I give gratitude for what I have. I give gratitude. I don't have and go. Jesus Christ I just finished to work on another day regardless all these people. They're showing tubes in their noses. It just we gotta be very unfortunate. Yeah I think I think you're right. I think that daily gratitude. I've been doing that ever say my rosary. Every night I raise six again. Nobody say my rose. Before I go to bed at night I pray for the front liners. The MTV's the doctors nurses the people that are really on the frontlines of this thing. My family my friends. The people I love and care about and in the morning I do that stretching. Get up the stretch and I do that meditation. I'm telling you is. The only thing keeps be saying it does. I don't I don't even turn on my TV. I don't watch the news more. Turn on the news at six while. I'm moving around eating dinner but no more sitting in front of my buddy. My Buddy gave me this gift. Awhile back was one of the old style ipods and it literally has every top forty song in every category from nineteen fifty five to two thousand thirteen got the diabetes bludgeon. It's got the theme song for the TV shows. Ingram watching it's got everything hundred fifty gigabytes pick an artist. Here there. There was pink floyd Bam all day long with the pink. Floyd led Zeppelin Billie Joe. You're listening to music and I don't I don't watch I. It calms me now. You can't walk you watch that show you. You've been under the table working on the roof of your mouth from revolver. He can't you know you know what I was doing. I was watching from. I love being scared watching the news. Three to four so I would watch world. Well you know I witness news yeah locally and then the world news tonight with David Meal at four o'clock I'd be shaken and that's all I would force myself to go outside and hit the back. Yeah that's why my stress levels were so high that I said. Let me try without watching the news. I was Mohammed Ali so I was bouncing staying. You know what I did. It wouldn't fuck and sugar ray Leonard's by myself and I go that's it no more news about two years ago more news now. Two years ago I fucking. That had the cable company. Get the box. Get this out of my house. Why do you think they call fucking programming? People sitting around this put fear in your head control and you would fear to before we get on and off on a tangent. A lot of people big fans of comedy here. You get the Church family but a lot of comedians support. You said. No one's working but if you go to Pandora and spotify and you listen to some of your favorite artists. It helps them get no little bit of money at the end of each month. You know so a lot of guys like you know. Visco listen to some of your favorite artists to help them out. Comedians and whatnot. So it's a good thing to have you know it's like we're not working either. I don't know what I'm going to go back. I don't know what it's GonNa come back so you know it's a way to help out some of your favorite comedians. You go listen to the stuff wherever it is bill this month. Spotify ped- door in you know. Get a couple of pennies on every song or whatever. The deal is but it helps out. Are you willing to get on planes tomorrow? Are you ready to get on a plane tomorrow? You know I gotta I gotTa it's it's funny. I had this corporate gig that got canceled was supposed to be like You know March. Twenty Aces moved into May twentieth now to talk about virtual virtual show. I said well. Let's tell I mean making any money I'll do it. You only pay me half but I'll do it but you know the price the price you know. I mean I don't have anything to do with this and I'll do the virtual comedy show. I'll do some stuff. I said if you're going to do that I said make sure you have people on the other. Things got to meet telling a joke. And then you got to like the twenty people on the other side of zoom laughing and stuff so it makes it seem like it's a real comedy show. I said so if you have the people call Lane for Gildas House. I want to raise money to help out but have twenty people sitting there and do the job. You've got the me then you cut them take another that way. It seems like a comedy. Show if you're GONNA do it do it that way you know and then maybe we do acuity naked. Ask me anything we can do. The you know the time or whatever I mean listen I I'd love. I mean other than other than that. I don't know what to do and I don't know when it's going to come back to full swing. I'm just open too long. I don't want to become a solo artist on fucking porn hub. Picky that's what the fuck are you going to do? Everything I'm trained to do the acting. I mean you had to cancel that thing with the Sopranos. Pick that up. Did you ever go back to do that or no? What are you GONNA do? Yeah I mean it's it's like. What do you think are standup or anywhere? You know even at things right now going out and they're going to do this. Are They GonNa do that? I got a call last week and they said that they pushed the movie back tomorrow. Twelve and That what's thank slowed down. That would try to put the band back together to shoot that one. Sein- I my response was. We'll have to see that scene is at what time because I'm fifty seven fit into all those things on my even traveling for comedy I. I'm not driving comedy. I'm holding onto my brain date June. Yeah I got a vegas charge thirty. I which I nominate them. The Dunham poor because they're not going to be able to seat sixteen hundred people in that right. I've got August during August. First at San Diego I walk there and I got Salt Lake City September fourth and fifth if they hold on. Yeah you know you gotta remember We'll comedian what people don't know at home and everybody knows that every every aspect of life has a slow on a busy season ours is October Lou may is when we thrive. Yeah if you WANNA go on some of this nothing wrong with your fighting against vacations barbecues after school part plus. Everything's been postponed to delay. So they're going to have to make all these other dates for these other shows they canceled. I doubt that like theater racks. Going back to the clubs. That's not gonNA happen. I if you'd think so I have to happen where you got to start thinking about what what. Book Bill Bloom Rachel Do. Here's four hundred sith. Yeah that's GonNa put you on the four hundred thousand of those dates to move on until they do open up the wire also. I also think that you know the comedy clubs. Are you know they can either for three months? And they're gonNA come back out of this struggling a little bit and trying to figure out how to juggle a lot of stuff that's going to be. It'll be interesting to see how they start to move back but I love to go entertain. I know people are going through. Yeah during the week crack jokes. I think it's GonNa go back to Monday through Sunday comic. Wow we'll go back to seven nights a week. That's one thing I think so. It makes sense. We're trying to get yours if I could get Jodi s to come in Monday. And Tuesday and bag out seventy nine for a hundred and forty people. I would seven nights a week yeah. Schedules are going to change. That's GonNa be good. You gotta of town on Tuesday and Wednesday. Yeah that's not going to get the profit margin. You'RE GONNA get the percentages as Friday Thursday in silence but the thing is it'll start to come back come back and and I think the other thing is too as long as you. You watch the W I mean. People have been quarantined for. We'll be almost for two months so if you didn't have it then you don't have it you gotta you know? I'm not going to go to a NFL game with all those people. Let me small groups of people thing is burning me up more than walking through the living room and then talking about. Nfl draft the day. They go around got rid of what's his name and I'm like guys. You gotTa Bring Back Baseball. I yeah you gotTa Bring Back but that the Gambia violence so I guess Friday the NBA player Scott practicing by themselves. Yeah you know what are you GonNa do? They think that you know the idea right. Yeah Vegas putting every team in a different hotel and nobody's allowed in and out and they only play you only go to one place to play. They're trying to put something so again so nobody has to travel. Every hotel in Vegas is utilize empty. The nobody goes in the non except the players and they shuttled right to an arena. They tested they play. Joe This is one option. I heard. Yeah this makes sense. You know baseball where you're going to have to go back to a third of thing. Yes next but I don't want nobody behind me. I don't WanNa fat guy behind me. Yellen go dodges. That's not going to happen with hotdog chunks. Going all over you know they. They've they've what they did. They're going to have to Redo look at Pledge. Ceiling. I'm playing. I think there's also new cleaning guidelines on plow yet thank God thank God germ tubes. They have to do. The cleaning guidelines is going to be different. Everything's you'll be different. I think eventually it will go back to like where it was. I think if there's no second wave of this thing there's going to be a second way you'd think so you know. I know what Disney's nine? Oh Yeah and then you got all the liability for that stuff. Jews knee is not open. Twenty first that even. If you're a retard you're at home thinking to yourself Disney's nine opening Disney's on the Jack up the Pixel hot division. Because that they could do. Everybody could work animation by themselves. They're going to bring back the lead tunes Nicer redoing. All that stuff too. Yeah now be that you know. They're not well. I hope they do construction. Did you see that you know some grow put on there from the church hopefully do construction or fix some of the Disney world? Are you retarded that somebody hit you in the head with his stick bullshit? Feed Gas in your I. They're closed most places because they know seventy percent of people have to fly over here to go. There's me when I got angelenos Disneyland. I don't think that I'll take get. They may ban that China and international immigration. That's that's dubs doug to then come back. There's no more immigration or you ain't coming into the country. I think that's going to extend for a little while. My cousin sent me pictures of the streets of Cuba. Nobody they just extended orders and some town in Mexico on your street. They'RE GONNA shoot. Yeah without a fucking head. Yeah if you're on the street without a mask in Mexico City right now a couple of them but they just stayed with just going to shoot. The I was reading a story today about in China and this is like the scary thing. There are twenty one million less cellphone users since this virus broke out and stuff. So I mean. I think they just twenty-one million less cellphone users that were for no reason just like during the fight the just dropped off like does I mean that's how they were starting to think about the number of this. These are lying about that. Like did they know all that Shit like they? There's like twenty one million less cell phone years. It was always. We're talking. We take it seriously like. Did you see that what happened yesterday? In Orange County at the beach forty thousand people were at Newport beach. That's why it's GonNa come back because a lot of people just aren't taking it seriously. They listen. I'm not mad at those people. Most people that drive by and they see alive and they'll pull over his down that line to give them comfort or won't you know the reason why you can't go to a park and walk around no whole part of because eventually three people will walk up behind him doesn't mean that bad people. It's our natural game to be close to social. We're so social. Distancing is gonNA work if you make it work if you lay your line and tell people oh stop right there. Yeah did you see the thing? I posted the audio at the liquor store in the Bronx. That's my mental. What's by Antonelli is basically? This is one of the funniest things I've ever read the note hanging on the door. Coffee Dad. That's my state of mind. I'm working my state of mind is basically eras. Planning fucking simple if you again. If you're going to be that fucking stupid says I love. I love exactly what he said. He said the exact words I would right in front of my fucking business. I don't know where the fuck it is not money out of my head no slack money. I can't find it now doesn't matter but that's the exact way I feel. We don't be pulling out of your breasts beef. He said in there. That was so brilliant and this is the one what he says. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up doll shot Afaf up the reason. Why do I remove I do early is because I will do percentages of people that have been that place? Yeah so I try to cut it real early. I'll go to walgreens or they fifteen. I wanted to sue my soup. Margaret opted six am. I'm the first Guy Ralph's on the corner of Died don't go to wrap go to look at their shut. The fuck up by your shit and leave immediately know Tibia sack money. Stand back at least six feet player store capacity to five mother fuckers at once you cough you die drink responsibly and show that's it don't committee questions no is that you know we got no. Lysol while you ask it. There's a fork in one forty one. What's what's that. Were you said that you go to what Valley village? It's usually small ones. It's like eminem market right by the corner right. They'RE GONNA go to place for me the other day real. How when Sola that? My wife May state last night. Tasted like fuck. God's personal fucking. Beat did that eminent. Mark is a little places over there. Oh God handy Andy. Little Long. Got Chicken marinate already to sauce. Fresh great show she what do you say? I mean this is we've gone through two huge fucking explosions at the comedy store. Explosion of that you witnesses. A young man. Yeah and the explosion that you're part of now. How long till we get it back to that? He's man I think. Era FIRST OF ALL. They're only opening up one room. Yeah we'll slowly back but it's it's going to take months. I take a lot of comics out of the business. I think. Yeah a lot of comics. They're gonNA rearrange their lives and go. You know this is where I was at. I've done this for eighteen years. My wife is yeah I mean and I feel bad for people but at the same time I've always said that everybody's going to get their own personal silver lining out of this. I know for a fact. I know guys over two years Joey guys. If they got married they had kids and they just said effort. I'm not I'm not I'm going to my kids are more important. My family's more important so you know. I'm GONNA be fucking away from my kids. I started coaching the football team. So we got out of comedy all the people do. You're right I think people will like to go. You don't fucking life's too short if I do something I love to do if I do something to fees myself then why do it? I think also I think other people I think other people that do nine to five jobs go you know what I say and they may go into something architecture or it's GonNa go both ways. I think if you've taken some time to reflect over does period you know. What am I doing a work for Franken thirty years and then I got ten years before I die and live my life. I mean if anything go do something to feed your fucking. I don't look let's just look. I'd rather fail doing something I love to do the succeed. Something I fucking then I hate it then. I gotTa Win Every Day. Hate my fucking life and I gotTa tell you Joey the Damore between me and you the most amazing life. I've traveled the world. I've seen I've made people laugh at the greatest time I had a good run and if I gotta figure out something to do after this I will but I mean I have to tell you I think it will come back. I think it will eventually get back to where it was. But you're right. It's going to change some things and things going to have to come different. I do. I think it's GonNa come raging back eventually. It will get back to where it is before this happened. But it's going to be months. I mean people just WanNa feel safe. You know I mean you know you get metal detectors running. Probably people taking their temperature before they come into the club. You know what I mean. There's GONNA BE SOME NEW SAFETY PROTOCOLS. I'm GONNA use your. He'd been known comic. Jeez like thirty three years pretty safe to say you fucking love it. I I love it I fucking I miss delimitation. There's there's guys do wrist. That are that are famous and they do it because you know it's an side. I do because I love the do. I really have noted for a dollar a ten thousand and I've done it for four people and I've done it for twenty seven hundred. I mean you know I love to do There's nothing that makes me feel the way I feel after I get done killing crown. I'm and I'm a true real look and stand up comic. I mean I've made a refocus sacrifice in my life for this and and travel and I've been doing it for thirty three years and I just it's still look I'm not I'm not bitter prick. A Lotta guys are all fucking. I love when I see at the store. You'll limping. You come in and you look. I remember when I first got to the store. Like I'm trying to do that. Audio Book. Some trying to outline my life as chapter one at the store chapter two two different scenarios that yeah. We went into the store the first time one into the store as a scrub My Eyes Open my mouth shut. Just learning watching you know fell in love with Mitzi got the drug and then my wife and I left one day I came back with an audience complete different Joe Dias and the first job that wanted. Yeah I would've never scribe host the Doorman Yeah? I was a doorman in the back door. On Sunday Nights I drove me to you. Know run a run a job. I I'm your guy on the get going to your house. You Cook the me and there was a Monday night. Football game on the Broncos they plan and I called the whole series dude. He's calling the game. He Goes Egos. He's going to run this in. Elway runs and he goes super used to call this game. This is what I did do. It was the greatest thing would drink it some red wine where eat some chili watching laying around on the floor like a couple of hug and thirteen year olds watching football and it was great? It was crashing. Me was one of my mentors. I listened to what Jimmy said. He hooked me up with his manager. Who still a dear friend. Today just came to my shown vegas yet tears in his eyes. They saw me. Yeah he loves you. We love each other tight. Batmans villains. Yeah that was Lavar crew. Billy Gardell Danny Sanchez. I think he had a group of Comedians and and and then he became like this manager and I swear to God brought a year right. I think like that Guy I. I wish I could find a guy like that guy. He doesn't exist today. That's why I never had a person in my career like that since her. Yeah did you talk to them in Vegas? Yeah he's come out to see me a couple of times. Yes oh a oh and even called me one day. And he's like the. Are you looking for a manager? This is about two years and I'm like I don't really know he goes. Who's doing work for you? Let me get the faulk fault. I'm like oh. His world is all gone like the people he was doing business with. It's like that seen the Sopranos when the the inspector comes to inspect the House and the hovel. Carmelo's father's like get pledge you waters on the phone and he goes Pudgy. Retired eight years ago. He's like that's what Gatlin would come back to. Yeah it's a different world. His is number one nemesis was Judy Brown. I'll God ow Judie. Brown would take him and throw them off a building. Yeah he doesn't even compete in that level. No more so I consider him because I loved them as a manager. Yeah you're right. I think that's what like he would just talk to fucking people he won't give a shit. Did I like hey. Why can't we do? God bless glad to get me a pilot. Franken to develop the deal. So you're right. I thought about it to his world's different now it's a different a different type of dude when he managed when he called you. He called you the rip your harder like I still remember. Being what happened is convertible one day. He picked me up to meet them for lunch. We had a meeting with an agent over by highland that old disgusting building on an island as you made the turn up to the one. Oh One now. It's like fucking beautiful. There was a building there with bombs allowed across the street. They saw on ice to remember. He took me to see that he told me. Right out of the listen. I sent you tape everywhere at that time. See a wanted me when I was with. He's like this. Is the weirdest thing Kim. Cozma guy that ca for you but the holidays past the switch states. So I was Fox. I still remember one day. Jack pick me up meeting him in Hollywood and he drove me to this ladies and they will call the Daniel Hof Agency and the word on the street was the lady had quit like see a at that time yeah and took her roster to this agent and nobody knew about it. She was doing great thing. Yeah and I am I not agency. Yeah I remember hearing that agency. I remember walking with him going. I'm not signing with these people. This is an old cricketing building. Yeah nobody offered you water your three told Hollywood Hollywood hold Hollywood Bro. And you could hear her and they're yelling. Fuck you get in the auditions or don't call me back. Click who's next. I remember walking in there with Jeff and going up. I don't want to sign with data. Gatling did wrote. This is a true story. I was doing a road Gig. I'm flying in I got. I got a frigging audition. It was for one hour photo that Sacramento. I was planning to soccer coach for with Rob Williams is in the movie. He picks me up at the airport. I throw my bags in his car. He drives me to the audition win. I I did a great audition. In fact I wound up getting the job and then he fucking drop me off at home. Where do you get a fucking manager like that in Hollywood? The guy picked me up at the fucking airport and drove me to the audition. I defy any fucking manager in the Industry today. I mean that's fucking Amana. He picked me up. You WanNa fucking sit there and tell me. I need more twitter followers. Go Fuck Yourself. I mean this guy picked me up. This was I learned so much from him. That was all bullshit like the headshot their Jesus by. Yeah you just call you only auditions. She got me with no Hijja into. Here's a different different. Do's and that's why he couldn't laugh because the the last conversation I had them I heard with him one time on the phone. It was not pleasant but I still remember going meet like you have to meet him once a month at his office. Yeah go over stuff with him and I still remember. Hey because you had a park in Century City Mall Walk and Cross and then you had to climb fuck and eighteen floors up you. That girl answered the phone. Still Worth Met Office is that funny. That's his father's Insurance Office. So this father's insurance office with him. Yeah when we did break up dollars like the same thing he said to you about the goes I go. Jeff just give me. He Goes Choubey. I called everybody. I said everybody he goes. I called everybody. Nobody wants to be the Jimmy Shubert. As like you got thug of balls rallies try to sugar coat. A little bit I got. Everybody says nobody wants to luck. And nobody and I was like you know what Jeff I go. Maybe they don't want to be the Jeff Gatling business and has nothing to do with me. Maybe employs the end. He was like yeah because he will tell you know he he would call you go. Hi Lee are you doing this? This Jeff Gatling who I am. I'm manager comedy manager. I've been watching your show on. This is the most brilliant thing here. But then he's like I've been watching your show on. Cbs and I could tell the numbers are going down. Can you imagine getting that call telling you I was there? I was in the office and they will use uranium going down. I watch success facility issue. You got that fucking deadbeat like he would just talk like that debt. Be Jimmy Shubert. Either lease is one of the funniest comics working tonight. As a matter of fact I think you should write them into your show lease showcase at eight forty five at the Improv. I suggest you go because of not your shows. Keep the hacking. And you'RE GONNA lose. I mean Li like that. Yeah he works. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it was sometimes sometimes. It didn't got me auditions with Rona Chris. He got me audition for the People. At that time that most people can work ten years. Now get auditions with again. He would like that fucking latch. Y Don't listen to anything. You've gotTA listen to anything. There was a time that guy happy doing three four additions day. Day back like dude. You had to like I felt like Beretta trunk of My car at a you know. Put a WIG SUCO changed. Everything I mean never ended and it was never like that again. I mean there was. I mean he he took with alkyl. Poco to tell me he took me Alka. Pook onless Yennega. Yeah when they were down the block from the Strip club and he bought me. He was just pay him quitting among managing business. Yeah I'm going to Vegas. There's a role in it. If you want it I'll put you on the billboard and I was like I don't want billy pay fifty dollars show. Yeah you have to do is eighteen shows a week and that's not one what I do. Stand up because while you do stand up on Mondays and Tuesdays. I was like I don't want to do it. And we stayed friends but his work ethic always stayed with me and whenever people would call me and say I need new headshot fuck. You saw the fucking pictures that you got when we sell a job. Then we'll get new headshots. Yeah that would be the end of it and it was because a gallon all the lessons I learned to even today. I think gallon would be a little too heavy for today's family thing. Yeah you would burn because he would have six people and he will net flicks go fucking. Yeah and I think you're I think he even back then. I think he rub people the wrong way like you said. I thought he was a sweetheart. I always thought we this man in the world. I see what what he got. He was one of those June she when he rolled the sleeves. Doug you you were gone and listen. I did rate. He booked me in basketball memories. I was out the night before I shot this. We drank a gallon of red wine and we did a lot of other things and I remember sleeping in bed with my girlfriend and also she's like. Oh my God we got we got up. I have to drive you to the Coliseum. She thought I had slept on. I was up all night. Oh No to the Coliseum and then like Mr D. as you're the first scene up I'm like I've been coming here for three weeks. Nobody's talked to me. I ten eight balls and drinking red wine. Now I'm the first fucking saying I stunk. Like fucking deck. I looked like basketball. And you see me in that scene I was up all for naught not fucking dust and I felt so bad for you. Because you are you gonna go work on a set. 'cause I kept telling you one more hour. Yeah the more line than alley but you but the thing is is. I usually go to set. You got like four or five hours before even need you go lay down trailer but I see not proud that I see though I basically went home to take a shower. Eat something no. I didn't even eaten drank a beer. Make myself come down and I got my girlfriends. 'cause she drove me till the Coliseum and I got there and I had to do that whole scene pop not I still remember them going step on the mark with the DS. Can you please go to mark Mike? I am at the mark. No finally thank God. Some sweet assistant chemo. She's now they watch OBI and by the time I had a shoot. There was no more roller skates left. Because I had stole all the roller skates on that scene. I'm supposed to have roller skates on. None of us have roller skates on. Because I couldn't roller skate when I got the job. They asked me if I rose came before I get a job. I'll tell you whatever you wanted. Trapeze Act. Yeah we'll figure it out when we get there if not why somebody else I fucked up. It's the truth it's the fucking through you. You tell them whatever you need. Can you do a a swan dive? Yeah just one nine the day of the shoot because at the end. It's like when sons of anarchy called and said you have to ride a motorcycle people wanting to end said you ride a motorcycle. Yeah and then. She came like I never motorcycle. So they put you on the scuba they pull you put the camera high on you and you think they think you're driving. You're not driving your children. I pull it. They just pull it here and they and you believe that's a school that's pulling you you'll need to learn how to me. I'm sure that after the first season Jax teller and the some of the regulars picked up thanks paid for them to get less than just to do whatever but when you take a job. Nine out of ten. You Lie to get that job on Yahoo. Chris smoke the Santi. Did you read that in? The Sopranos never drove a car when he got the job at the pilot. He got a job. He was going to be Tony's driver. He never said nothing to him that he couldn't drive. So when you're watching the soprano private pilot and he did you call that guy yesterday and fucking column that you were supposed to pick them up. And he's like no. My mother said I shouldn't even come to work Lakers. I was sick shit. He didn't know how to drive. You end up banging up the car and he goes. I'm done. I looked over. Jim Gandolfini. Jim Gandolfini was laughing. What happened that's why I don't I tell people all the time. Tell them what if anything. I could sign language guy they got next to Barack Obama door to Nelson Mandela thanked and against. It's like sixty from love. Doing the sign language thing and people watch going say the same fucking thing over and over like you only had three fucking moves guy was like you know. He's talking about the sign language right next to the president. Like I'm GonNa that's fucking insane. Fucking what all the sign language now. How many people got cold death? It seems we watch the Kobe. They're talking about that people just to tick what. The white has a chubby little black girl. That's cute he moves and wiggle. They make faces like the skinny guy. For God's Saturday he's gotta go yeah. I got autism. Well not that fucking guy. That's part of it. He's todd that guy. He's making noise all the little things about and I said to my other bothering me said did you see the fucking faces to mega goes year. You'd be making faces. Two of your figures were full of Shit Cello table time. Get the puck out of the country by Cloak Kane at one eight hundred okay that blow right now and he's like you got this guy's a focus guy behind jerk would trust vowed. She smells like that. How can they find the scientist? One eight hundred guarantee like when I see a black sign language person. I guarantee black people home loan. What the fuck have you guys done shows with them on stage who sailing with a million p? No no no but they do. They do colleges as you do. I got Ta Sambo. I've actually I was going to take an online course. It's another sign language interpreter. Because you know in the middle of a fucking pandemic you're gonNA work you know. They said they got fucking. They got people at the city of drop to see. You can sign up the silent which I took two semesters of College. Did you really? Yeah 'cause I'm terrible language but English so you're learning you're learning. I can still remember the because those mother fuckers are killing it. Right now bro. Yeah that's your new job. Well you could you go if you could do that. I mean you guys the federal level that they make pretty good fucking dull man. They're always going to need those. You've noticed I have my favorite interpret his opponent. I've never seen CUOMO's interpreter but sarcasm. He's got the skinny guy. That looks like Paulie Chelsea can I? And then the chick from the whatever in la the with the string hash it was like Harry's mother yeah she looks like fluff but you see them all and they all do the same. You sit like you said you get your favorite ones to do it. Yeah I got my favorite ones. I don't even know what the fuck this saying. But it's just interesting watching them and who the hell you know. Sometimes it's even a little distracting. Because you're not watching the Guy. Watch the which I always wants to sign and I listened to the lady. I wanted to show 'cause I was doing a benefit and they had one and I was growing in words like leather Cheerio just to see what the function and I get an a balloon that sorry lag we come up with the dirty ragged sausage. You all tell me shooters this crazy that you've been doing this. Study three years man. You've seen it all will. Will this bother you this end the lottery is like I said Joey men I I? I'd have to figure something out but I will tell you that You still part of the Magic House. Yeah Yeah I should imagine I did. I set up my whole dining room like I have this bar and I moved away from the wall and I put my dining room table out and set a little can like theater so I could work on some ships from fucking going crazy ally. I on on what the house at the Santa Maria ritual. I seen the two pigeons in the cage on my Jimmy. Santos cut some chicken heads off. Some fucking looks rolls this shit but then you tell me you magician that I was blown away pigeons. The you know I used to use. I didn't let it go into my mind that Jimmy shoe was magician. I Love I love them. I would have stabbed the big magician. I'm not a bad about. It was like my dirty little secret. It was one of the greatest greatest stories. I have heard and it sounded a lot like dice that you started as a magician and diced on the Travolta in person. You know you look at that and how you start as a magician. You told me dad would take you down. You have the Cape You will fourteen. Who chose for the Children's hospital? What team. That's why I fell in love with a performance of six kids. Be Sick kids. Were down there and an audio African American nurses would go. GonNa come to Work Church and so I would do these targeted West Philadelphia fucking churches. Never like my dad's drive down said that oversized. She's got a nine millimeter. Aw drop off at the back door gone to the church do shows but you'll carson was big fucking Johnny Carson. They have a thing over there. Like a whole tribute to Johnny Carson. But it's it's a something else to do. It's like somebody playing the drums or guitar for me. It's keeps me saying if I get to work on something besides doc up there Taco the magician of at the magic castle because either you got into the magic cats. Yeah yeah the Magic Castle yet. Had duckie's in is a guy up there. Was this talk to. Yeah what's your friends. Why why did you? I mean I got two hundred. People hate me. He's gotta be in the top three. Really Yeah why because he was a magician at the at the tower restaurant in Aspen. Colorado in nineteen eighty through the towel was all the cow was. Does he talk about it now? But I know doc eastern is a guy was a denver fuck image. He's like one of these guys. He's one of the greatest bar magicians ever so the east and worked at the tower is a magician during went to seize what his angle was what he'd take a playing card and they go to a tourist and go put amount of money there. I'M GONNA put a thumb tack under it and those read a rotating fan if I could throw it up and sticking the ceiling. I keep the twenty if clemens down I give you twenty back. Plus whatever twenty dollars so every night doc could be out there doing card tricks back dishwashing. I was a dishwasher friend of mine I lifted weights and hit the bank so he goes to work with us on prime rib naive early. Prime Rib you want. I'll give you all the mistakes. That's how I started working as that was eighteen. That's going on Tuesday nights. We'd do a couple of months ago and then when I bring glasses out to the bar I'd watch this dot guy and he'd be doing this to people all these white people give them fifty s and try to show up. When Texans came up they go up. Then don't do it. Two hundred man. He would put one dollar bill squash him into the thumb tack the AC spades over the nine arts la whatever number and he do something stick on the ceiling. Uh God damnit so one night after work you know. I'm starting the Baugh look over and I go. I could jump up there and take a bill up. The flaw conceal so back location made sure everybody was doing that thing and I went out there may like I was putting the barstools up and I just jumped up and put down fifty. I said fuck it. Why leave stop there? Certainly not pull down like a hundred and fifty two hundred bucks. Nobody knows not even that fucking Mutt. He this went on for about three weeks. I was just calm and two hundred and nine hundred eighty and I'd take a bag of shrimp home. I go in the closet the freezing and just take a bag of shrimp. I got home about twelve thirty. My roommate will get up and make garlic strip pasta. Jimmy Berko arrested so I never told him. I never even thought about the fucking money off the walls like if you leave money on the wall. You're jerk off. You deserve to get stolen. But he wanted to wait till the end of the season to take it down and have this big rush for whatever I must adopt them for a couple grand. One Dad told the story Anna podcast and about a week later I got an email from like a representative of some Thuc you. We know we didn't know who is robbing us. Thought it was a different dishwasher at the thirty. They just put together. Now is the the criminal? Update Nineteen eighty-three had destroyed that whole system. I'm not proud of it but it happened. I gotTa tell you before somebody else thousand. Yeah and So somebody came to me about a year ago at the storm was like man. I will have to accommodate Catholic. I mention your name law that I get a look next time you see in Kuopio casual and then just drop Joey deacetylases. Love Watch it. That motherfucker is going to say that you know our boys Zach Waldman. He Works Disney. Eddie Bravo's thing but he's also he works at Dan Propper. Yeah Yeah he works. He does He works all the time regular basis. And that's so funny. I love that story but everybody at one time you. We're different people. Now we've grown. That was nineteen eighty eight and it wasn't just me then. I turned everybody else on the Mexican. Dishwashers like fuck into they. Will each clip move by the end of the fucking March? It was nothing left. I think I left. I started working there. November fifteen and I left February. I and I think the last week was the week I got him even heavier that they started knows. Something's going on with the money in three months. Oh I probably got him for a couple of Grad. Can't wait to see if they cause I deceive up. There was a Lotta Fridays. GotTa be seventy no. Hey Man let's he's gotTa be if I'm if I was eighteen. He probably was twenty six. Yeah he's he's he's he's looks good for but you're right. He's probably about seventy probably glad. She's early Seventies. It's great with him and other great friend goes Joe the Lion Jody Lion then the great magicians of all that guy when when I was sixteen years old recently. No I've seen. He's down in Saint Down in Florida. I saw Jodi Lion when I was a kid and I am fucking telling you it was one of the best fucking shows. He's sword swallowed. He did fucking mind really. I mean he was like that guy was like college entertainer of the year like three or four years running. I mean he was showed align was a fucking monster dude. I watched that guy and then I got to work with them many years later depending arcade in Jersey with Ben Creed me and Joe. The lion was there. He bought it. I sat with Joe. I talked to my told him about that thing. What a Great Guy Guy. Now he was a great was. Ben Creed Ben Lives in Arizona. I not too long ago. Mean him just did Maybe about a year and a half ago. We did the Atlanta punchline. Again meet him to the to the headliner show. Yeah Dude hilarious. I mean he's got. He was always what he's got. He's got one of the funniest fucking lines on his. He's getting heckled by this woman and he goes Lady Diana contest of line. The world's biggest count you would come in seconding covered second-guessed cut was lights but Ben Creed on the my love. Yeah I mean. He's one of those guys he was. He was a monster twenty years ago. He's still doing all those guys like old like you said man this guy guys love you. You know. It's like you know you slow down a little bit. You get older is still a young man's game when you travel like you used to now but I mean you're still doing is still being able to make a living. I'd say you know these cruise ship guys are screwed for a year net cruise ship industry and home back anytime soon. And there were some guys that were just making their living exclusively cruise ships. I mean that industries box so I think those guys may rethink some stuff. You're right it's GONNA change it's GonNa Change some stuff for sure now. The comes out may fifteenth. Yeah the comes out may fifteenth. Where was this tape? This was taped. Believe it or not flappers we did. I did the album on Friday night and I recorded. My special is on my website. It's a zero tolerance. This is the audio from. It's different two different shows but I listen to his album. I literally had like four editing notes. It's I I'm telling you bro. I'm my own worst critic. I think this is my best comedy album I've ever done in my life. It's a monster the writing I put into it. So look at droughts may fifteenth roles streaming platforms. Itunes everything people get a chance to check it out. I think it's one of my best. The best comedy. I'm really proud of it. I can't wait for it to come out of can't wait for people to hear it. I am a when it comes to my own fucking shit. I'm a motherfucker then so I was like wow I twenty two minutes and I don't even stop till I take a breath and they'd take a breath because fifty seven minutes of nonstop. What that old school fucking stand up. Net flicks is great but it took away and now the country stylise see it that unless you fucking idiot. Nothing's his great and the comics on Netflix. Great but I don't want you just to rely on that. There's a whole herd of Comedians that net flicks won't do business with whatever reasons they have that a justice funny off funnier than all. Those mother. Fuckers a net flicks except for maybe fucking bill Burr but I never want you to think that Netflix says the end. All be all guys this guys out there that have been doing comedy for thirty years. Make you fucking asshole. Blow up arrived from Jimmy. Shubert today the towel to Vic Dibitetto did not just not. Because they're on your favorite little baggie fucking podcast. I'm talking about when you get sick and tired of watching all these podcast fags including myself. Go check these guys. You're a real comic fan. Guys like Jimmy. Shubert guys say rich voss guys like Dave attell. Nobody's talking about David Talents by day. The towel so many guys out there. Ben Creed Ben. Greene was dangerous twenty years ago. Could you imagine the damage? Ben Creed must be doing today. And you're over there looking at to fucking idiots and fucking net flex because they got a nice shirt on. Yeah I'm you've mentioned Vick Dibitetto aggregrate. It's time to view it you. If you haven't learned anything from the PODCAST that you brainwashed with Tommy Central for twenty years and they thought they were all the comments they were also the PODCAST fucking opens up. You guys get introduced to real comics like what the fuck is comedy Central Been Shala. They've been showing. Us flipped the PUCK and twenty years. Then comedy then then fucking the podcast came along and you got introduced them that net flex came along and you got introduced to those cats. Don't have a fucking just think that those are the guys that are out there doing it. You get on Youtube. You'RE BORED YOU TYPE. Victims Taylor you the type of Jimmy. Shubert you type up fucking Ben Creed is Bobby Slayton waiting bobby. Slayton got less funnier. You know he got older and angrier. Now he's saying racial slurs outward he don't give a fuck you know now is when you go catch these guys remember when Rudy was here and told me that I had two cats to legends before they died. Now I can't I did go see guns and roses and I did go see Pat Benetton and I was exposed to a whole different world to help me to be a better comic. Yeah so don't you sit there in your house watching fucking Netflix thinking? This is the analogue bill. Those comics are great. I love math in the Medina friends them. But if you're a real kind of saw Jimmy Shubert rich vice you know these are the guys have been doing it that maybe because I don't have a fancy podcast will because they're not good at social network and you haven't paid attention to them. Changes Shit around you dumb motherfucker. Look what you learn from. The podcast comedy central was selling you. Shit they've been selling you ship the twenty fucking years then. We came along good comedy central. Now they had a pre draft. The fucking David Spade. Show like they got rid of the David Spade Show. How does show in the world? They gotta look for another house. They do moves that only like they might as well join with New England. You know what I'm saying that the New England management might as well join up with Tommy. David get rid of fucking Tom Brady. I would have put a gun days fucking head and said I will shoot. You're cutting the pussy. You were staying right here in New England whether you like it or not. You're not going nowhere. You're only way you leave. He was with Corona's a building. Your head or Lawrence Taylor make a comeback embrace your leg. You'RE NOT GONNA know ain't Gronkowski style because I'll walk fuck ups squeezing oranges fucking fucking Mexican denied by deal on your both these. You don't let your people go like that. I'm whatever I'm ashamed. Every this country's excited for football except the New England playable sitting up there getting. They'll walk the corona african-american streets give it to me. Because I can't live without Dombrowski rank the fucking shortly idolize right now. Okay now if you're a Boston guy you WANNA to kill that guy got the angle high yourself for how little Chinese girl with gloves on the just not door because he loves the Chinese at jobs. What's the name Robert Kraft? Robert Kraft do anything for a little tinky. Winky Hanjani say giving Robert Kraft Robert Kraft Dry wit. No contact got mother. Fuck I feel so bad. My heart goes off so bad to Boston right now. My heart I grew up a Boston everything I love. I respect Celtics. I can't wait a fucking Michael Jordan. That thing has been tremendous but this whole thing you left the city. That doesn't give a fuck about football. No more wow. Yeah that's the way they heart and kidney that walking after fucking New England agents coma machine right now wishing they could die filthy now again. I don't know what he went down there. Gronk with down there and I don't want to hear this given I thought I heard. I thought I heard a rumor time. He's a Jew. They'll give him an envelope. That make headsets. They'll send them a beady stop with our bills. That's got all Israelis message when you put the fish in the thing. These SLEAFORD officiers. That's a craft is gonNA get next with a hundred dollar bill give a settlement so funny you were talking about Golden See. I remember like I did Brad Garret Club ahead before the Brad. I told them I said I saw him open for Sinatra at the fucking sands back when I was worked with Kinison at the fucking dunes and we had an off night and then goes. Hey Man I got some fucking Dick as it goes. He's analogy. You want to go. You know his girls the security one extra and nobody wanted to go. Yeah we'll focus eastern Andhra. Got To sit in a fucking booth Watts Sinatra Doi- fucking line and Brad Garrett fucking over four goals. Listen I don't want to date you or me but I said I watched you fuck over for him and he goes. Yeah so that's why I love what you do Brag Brad. Garrett's Club got all the history like the contracts pictures with Sinatra. All the stuff. That guys had an amazing career but but what a what a nice guy what great. I love doing it. I worked with him on the showtime thing. I spent a couple of days of I didn't know what to expect. I love to get him on the show. He's got a he's a great Guy Brad Garrett. Oh Yeah Jimmy. Two shoes. The fifteenth of May Fifteenth the Mazo. So that's the fucking we're GONNA call it a fucking covered CD of the month. Hey Man it's horrible people out of the knowledge baby they find you go. I'd be a big announcement of Jimmy. Shubert DOT COM. But it'll be on I tunes. It'll be everywhere they stream. 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1943: 10 Acts Of Love

The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast

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1943: 10 Acts Of Love

"I listened to the black guy who tips podcast because rod and karen are hot. Bono's this about knows that were bought on a jack kay wrap. What are you know as far as tabet. Nobody reads included and they'll strings attached no-holds-barred top of move faking gas to get duluth so i could bring home the bacon aching brothers frank. They say to try can't flow but we've been known to do the impossible like broadway joe so you won't knock hula hoop. You get these troop but here's a real school. I'm i'm all that and then some short dark has to show you where i come from. I'm vexed fuming. I had it up to here. My days paying dues. I over and knowledge me. It's been a year half with a border. Go get a taco record from jump street mean from the get-go. Sit back relax and let yourself go. Don't sweat what you hurt but act like you know hey welcome to the black guy who to podcast host rod and you're in. Yes yes y'all who got tribe. Y'all live. Y'all have have y'all inside outside come around. 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We have a special set of skills thousand if you click on which i never get that money that was a mistake to give me them. C._d.'s what yes it was. I sent you to panic right. I gave you a penny and i've been living my best life to do that. Selling c._d.'s down at the shop baby. It'd taking the money and going down to get c._c.'s pizza. Okay no no no no mondays college. Drug use eat pizza. I think headed added the all the all you can eat buffet with the two drinks and we spent three dollars and twenty cents both of us that now that's a piece not so it was it like sesame are not exact cranny but we're doing better now gosh to nine person to know down to the payday because we was digging in ashtray draws other car going. How much is it a game and that was back before you can swipe your debit card and put your pin immediate cash only move somewhere. Oh you get cash. I used to do the same if you're young enough. Hopefully you never had to struggle with this thing. I'll write the check over the amount. Come on i'll be like i'll hold my my deposit clear four day. Check line. Like how much can i write this for twenty five dollars on that cool. I only need six dollars forty two cents. Come all the seas will be taken yup and i use them back in the they don't know a._t._m. Used to get five dollars man. I use be like five dollars a team. I got i got all i got is six twenty bagging me five dollars a._t._m. Dollars bologne <hes> but alone when our show at to them off like assisi's any change the price boy behalf utah upset nothing more than back in them days than us penny pinching and he's got a deceased neighbor like yes actually three forty nine now. It's like what you made. Thirty forty nine got three point two nine prices around what kind of job student student discount and that was splurging. <hes> was good. It was three three dollars is what it was. I was in college. Okay everyday new me on these streets okay. They all say hey welcome c._d._c.'s. I'm like exactly y'all know back in the house. All you can eat yeah. Yes the buffet okay yeah. I don't know these things wow you almost have live good. It lives and not chat room these days everywhere in it must be nice just to never have to know to never have to not inside the c._c.'s <hes>. Oh wow wow. I didn't know they made that right. Yellow boozy <hes> some some of the prophecies why i another private school negro the heard about <hes> no. I've definitely been in many s._e._c.'s come on if your belly up is he good. It's it's three dollars buffet pizza. It's exactly what you think. It is three dollars buffet pizza. It's the kind of place where they they put desert through the same of and they put the pieces. Would you like some dessert pizza. Might ya'll just put this. This is just the same hit the other piece of made outta with sugar on it now and some chocolates out. I never seen pepperonis undeserved now. He is is a free. I don't know if he's gonna pay or not. His lawyers say he was disappointed didn't have to show up for the trial so he was able to be in america <hes>. I don't think he's ever going back to sweden the thought i don't i wouldn't have to be or not. I will never step foot there again. Fuck al yeah they claim self defense and he said he tried to avoid the fight and they do have video of people following now but they don't have video the actual altercation whose long i if any threats were made stuff in another country you're black. It could have been a lot of things you know. Also other countries have completely different standards zander's than us whether lost times like altercation for like we have so many fucking arcade because i co-chaired so violent in america wrecks and we've chief for the most part look at like physical. Education is no harm no foul. Nobody got killed in that. Did he have a gun okay and and so a weapon used right so we look at it like if you walked up on me and i'd say hey stop following me and then i turned around and and i and fought you there are some places where you could argue self defense right but and and a lot of courtrooms would be like well man. We can't really the timer who way way yeah just stopped writing. Both we all get a fine or something but in another country. You don't know how they're going to treat this yet and you ran a person. That's not from their right to rule. Ooh yeah so what the self defense or not man. That's how he got really come on. I sama keep moving forward. Thank you thank you to my team. I imagine attorneys label. Everyone who advocated for justice <hes> is why in what he wrote in a instagram post <hes> so you might not mentioned other fac he escaped additional jail time despite prosecutors previously pushing for six months the two year sentence so i was like oh once he leaves. They knew he wouldn't never coming back there. So that's why we charge because we can force you to sit down. Shout the al sharpton come home so funny ironically in a we're way he kinda proved his original point. <hes> <hes> i mean honestly people to look at it this way 'cause patty and everything but be original point was a he ain't got no business in the mouth. I can activism world and he got in trouble. He called a professional the same present day he was like i ain't no out the negative but i know who is our help right gang. You know you kind of hate to see people like shirt their responsibility like that or i don't know responsibility. You're not required to be an activist of you woke or any of this shape but i hate to see somebody kind of mock that whole idea of activism share. I don't mean nothing then. Have it worked for him but that to me. That's why certain people are activists that you know i ah i really respect more than other people because it's different than just a social media tweet or different tweet is different engines et putting a banner a man this this is real action and you know this means you know al sharpton hate trump and he's up here advocating the in the same light as fuck. Donald trump is advocating. Hey it's crazy. You know why but when you have moral sometimes yeah strange bedfellows because you do have morals like we always talk about they win. It's like greed or something bad in various. Sometimes it's because you do stand up you end up on the side with some asshole so a lot a lot of people and we saw out in action and a lot of the same people that typically do advocate for people like that you know was to villainous about it. Stop there. The book stopped. There is a imprison abolitionist for everybody but disney. You know i get it. That's human but you know the professionals who like man. Let me just do this the right thing to do. Whatever the issue is bigger than me yeah <hes> let's see <hes> friends of the of the dayton of friend of the dayton in a high shooter has been charged for providing him with armor and weapons ahead of a mass shooting. Yes go to jail oh to cali a friend of connor bats responsible for the mass shooting in dayton. Ohio is now under arrest providing best with body armor and one hundred round double drum magazine guy. This is the one with the garlic festival right dayton ohio. No no garlic in california okay according to the publication and agents in the f._b._i. And the bureau alcohol firearms tobacco tobacco and explosives showed up to college house with an affidavit just hours after the mass shooting sunday while their colleagues playing box submit specific specific ask for the shooter the twenty four year old allowed to ages into his home without foul cannabis his paraphernalia and a draco pistol <hes> thursday same week officials showed up to his job where he informed the agency also done hard drugs with bats in twenty any fourteen two thousand fifteen he also stated that he had been consistent marijuana smoke over the last decade and grew psychedelic mushrooms of which he continuously ingested for energy and the thrill now. I don't know why this comes up. This is just like demonizing drug. Use like it really has nothing to do with the shootings doesn't make us more the latter we to do this. Nigga smoke we deign to an ebola was hit. The issue of drug use to say the least was that he checked the no box when registering his draco pistol in may so apparently supposed the way we rely on people to check a box on whether they do drugs to get a fucking pistol and the only time it's check down is if a mass shooting happens a lot on that box what what is reasonable saying knows that he told the truth he would not have been in the weapons. They're gonna probably put him in jail over that cali also by an upper receiver for a._a._r._p. Eighteen along with the previously mentioned items stored them in his home for best. What is an upper receiver <hes>. Oh i don't know enough about guns to google that one out them upper receiver <hes> they. I didn't tell you what they are. They tell you how to his links for vinyl down. You straight to the money. Listen oversee was okay. You you google that you need. This is the thing debut put on top gun. Defeat the bullets. Oh okay so the bullets going faster so you don't have to like put him in unload them yourself. Basically i guess another thing to help. Turn them off. I can guide into <hes> into <hes> machine-gun shit. That's wow for real. I don't yeah it doesn't say exactly what they do. Just says we have a wise alexina air fitting detained and for e complete uppers to fit your knees then even say what they do you. They assume that you know what you look at vow. You made it this far like you. You know what these do. I guess you gotta say google. What is this design achieve either. Not it'll be jeep mind in the fifty seven dollars. Yeah you taken out bodies and possibility of going to jail. You can play well. You know you say that man. I always feel like guns are shit. Stay the night as expensive as you would think and a lot of this stuff like a bump stock wasn't expensive. You know like <hes>. I don't know that's just weird but yes so. He got an upper receiver a for a._a._r._p. Attained the daughter messiah his home for the do who did shooting to jail yeah yeah directly yeah <hes> that's why and see that's why people i mean. I don't know jal <hes>. I'm not the one alan now. Yes new gags me to do some come over here right nagy everything. I don't know shit. I'm telling him singing. Look that yeah says aired or <hes>. The receiver is also official legal gun. It has to be serial number or even if it's a bear receiver composite fire bullet is still a firearm as far as i was concerned all other parts just parts. Anyone can buy with no paperwork. That's because without a receiver they're just still so. I guess this yeah this fees. The bullets shit all right <hes> u._s. Attorney benjamin glassman says although ah collie collie did not intentionally helped the gunman plan are shooting out honestly purchased. We're using the attack yeah <hes> that's gonna culture to never thought i thought oh yeah. Why are you getting. Why do you need out his five hours like we can get it because we can get it. <hes> corden david colley was arrested friday august nine <hes> an email to colleagues attorney <hes> nick gone iris stated he does not deny friendship with connor bits and he was as shocked shocked surprised everyone else that mr best committed the violence senseless massacre in the oregon district. We appreciate united states attorney stating that there was no indication was calling knew do that. He was assisting betsy shooting. Yeah initially say something that he didn't know and then the question. I don't mean that damning on an individual level. It's just say something about guns in america that you can buy all this firepower for friends or at your house or whatever and never know that they're planning to use to kill a bunch of people because it's that common it america's just that normalized it'd be like yeah gun culture get as much fucking you can fire power and weapons as you can <hes>. Let's see what else happened. Oh a second suspect is wanted for stolen a._r. Are fifteen tactical vest from macon county school and he turned himself in okay time seven okay share offices and making and clay counties research search for a._a._r._p. Team missing from school missing from the school officials say the sheriff's department issued a._a._r._p. Eighteen tactical vest were stolen from red boiling springs school and making county so apparently someone broke into overnight and stole a gun and a tactical vest because because they keep them at the school. I guess keep them versus taking them all campus when they leave right. I guess the police must keep keep them there in case there's a school shooting or something <hes> yetagun side was take in both the school is putting a lockdown on lockdown procedures procedures and the students were never in any danger. You say parents would notify because investigation was ongoing. They didn't want to cause a panic. I mean what if a student would have been the one that got it in been there at that time you literally brought the weapon in the house. That could kill everybody right. There were covered in the woods and making county but yet you won't to arm teachers yeah yeah well. You know maybe the guy took the gun because he wanted to be one of those guys with a gun. No just guiding the walmart does testing the second amendment rules walk around with a loaded bullet chambered a._r. Fifteen and a tactical vest. I walked through walmart feminists to see what was up with the second amendment. Maybe caring. They are just good guys with guns they just in case. One of the students are up. Hey i'm already looking like i'm not amused. Go to jail. Okay everybody go to jail all right cool no problem i mean i guess you just look no shea too old aunt but i like to approach situation with new arts caring okay and so you don't seem to have no nuance here and maybe that's the problem think about it waiting u._n._m. New gone over there with japan sales. Having hot hot girl summer is saying lock them nigga the fuck up the fuck this all right all right well. They've kind of lady gaga. Slams claimed she stole shallow trying to make easy money lawyer says so we got another day another one that is getting those lucienne lawsuits getting closer and closer to people audience might like i mean. I don't know if you don't like gaga not but i know enough jello white woman voice. I know but still still a white woman. It's easy to hate the whites but i'm just saying this tran going. Break your son point go hit. Somebody we give a fuck about and we're gonna. We'll be like now. See this guy down this bullshit yeah yeah. I don't know who a note to note now like. I agreed that you need professional people in the determine if he's actually sound saying <hes> you don't need people. I mean you and they're making decisions. Lady gaga isn't going to be intimidated by the threat red illegal actions songwriter steve ross has founded threaten the foul lawsuit against a singer who wrote the academy award winning stars worn track with andrew wyatt anthony rosa mondo and mark ronson ross has alleged at a chord progression <hes> from his two thousand twelve saw almost was an right away to different rosins. One is the ronson and one is mark ron son would go to different guys but the the ross who her. Let's just got one steve steve. He says she stole core progression from his two thousand twelve. Almost for the melody of the shallow <hes> mr robinson and his lawyer are trying to make easy money off the back of a successful artists her lawyer. It is shameful and wrong. I apply lady gaga. Atta courage integrity stand up on behalf with successful artists who find themselves on the receiving end of such claims should mr sharon proceed with this case lady gaga will fight it vigorously and will prevail in the statements might also wrote that multiple leading musicologist they contacted found no actionable similarities between the two solves even sharing his own musicologist acknowledged the generic three note regression is pretty thirty is president and many other songs predating his client song <hes> right but that's the one that client got got got copywriting and he decided if if i can make some money off of the stars morn that's what i'm gonna do released a statement of his own rise acclaimed although he had never seen a star was born he was told by many people similarities. He's trying to drax never even seen it but people told him this now kinda like don't try to get paid care. Can you blame them. I mean they giving the money away and he's courtrooms money. We don't have professionals now. They're giving away money in these courtrooms why you're not the average person initiates the same. We deal the deal. I you know a lotta became taylor acor from from secord from a d. e. They don't know the difference yeah. I just feel like you go into a courtroom. You get a jury of not your musical peers right. You have your experts come up. They bring the experts up and then go all right. Go ahead and you've got it works at hopefuls. Go ahead and determine this million dollar lawsuit. I haven't seen the movie. I heard is pretty good. He said in a statement. I admire lady gaga. I just want to get to the bottom. Automate is there are other writers that wrote the shallow song including mark ronson. I secured a musicologist who also agrees. It sounds similar. I'm simply going about this. How anyone else would investigate any possible infringement. You just wants the money bag. Just tell the truth quit boosting everybody. His lawyer said in an effort to amicably resolve this matter months ago my august provided leggate lady gaga legal team at derek west with an official report from renowned and respected musicologists and presser who determined the significant tempo melodic addict rhythmic and harmonic similarities between the two hooks of the songs that issue lady gaga team has yet to provide my office with an opposing musicologist report which we everquest it multiple times on us so bitch yup now by katy perry i forget who would otherwise as an issue happened to the <hes> robin now gaga. We'll see if anyone likes her. I don't know i think she has more crossover than those two were black people but i don't know maybe they don't give a fuck about her either. It's going to be like say eliza or somebody nearby or or like i said when when of course when that country guitar part on everybody's going to be like this is a guy an travesty negroes. I love so much predictable on this. Yes but i love us <hes>. Let's see what else do. I feel like talking about. A woman says she called one twice in the costume pickup. Kogyo is he's now on one. Sorry you gain this voice mail. You need to leave us a message. We will turn your car with the next twenty four to forty eight. Maybe it's like the nineteen ninety s and two thousand voice joke. A joke voicemails like hey is not. What how can we help you. <hes> aw is kidding. I'm not here. Leave them as any anybody. Does that fuck you. I hate them. Goddamn bullets minutes quid fucking plane. Leave a real voice mail aol marijuana medic release will holler at you and say because we not do that she hello hello how down shut up. I'm not here right. Now is not with a smile. Ask asked riveta rabbit voicemail. They always wanted that with the rat was real. Corny would always wanted to win those wrapping voicemail. Things would apartment ha. We're not home but leave a message. When you hear the tone you know like the worst part about a nickel. Ahead your fucking boss mail when i was before you can leave a message check. The bench chicago wanted to call nine one one twice when her ex husband showed up at our home and no picked up denise conroy's day she made the call thursday survey expecting to hear chicago emerged on the line on other in law but instead found discount ringing and she grew concerned that she might need police intervention where her ex jota also who was supposed to be as they dance walked away. I don't know maybe they understand. It could be a lot of things it enraged me concern for the next one who thinks oh i can call and they'll help me then they don't answer conroy advocate for domestic violence victims says she has situation ourselves without incident but wasn't letting it go. It's understandable. I wonder who she was in order to get like because. I feel like you know you probably guys can guess race <hes> i. I feel like a lot of us. Call and don't get asked and we don't get channel nine showing up the interviewers on. Why we you know what i'm saying. She must got some poor to be able to say hey hey. This is a serious issue and it is. They hit the wrong one. I oh no no no you don't understand my job is women's rights and i'm a woman yes. I everybody's gonna know about this. Pick up the mother for compound reroute the call do what you gotta do. Somebody's you to pick up a representative for the chicago office of emergency management and communications the station there was a high volume of call traffic when conroy call for help and say they would they would ask if she had stayed on the line sega. City cops do more do have more than their share of nine. One one call one of the most dangerous cities last weekend alone. Fifty nine people were shot seven fatally <music> but because she hung up police say never sent to help her. There's no record of or call they don't we. We keep a record of failed calls. I thought they did that. Wow i didn't know that so so there's only if they answered they know you call nine. One one. I got to wait till you went on panicking and scared yeah. She should have just discard and said hey. I notice a minister in black people minding their business over here and i'm very upset and they were all on our way. We are on our way man. What are they doing. Cooking out. Is innocent girl selling what we got billy clubs out. We are ready to taste the fuck out of somebody right now. There's a black man over here and he seems a little bit a little suspicious. He's minding his business fit that description. If you know what i mean <music> i think he's walking some sort of an animal. It appears to be a small dog very dangerous. Gonna need guys. Come out here and take care of this. I'm a white on like man we already on the way and i've had them and somebody said i thought when you hung up they would call back because i've had that happen before. I thought so too the man we are so the thin line of what we think we yeah 'cause i'm calling when i was looking. I was <hes> brother did the same thing i had tonsilitis and all black people over happy but i told him i thought was that you knew scratch. She didn't believe me. She got words. Words words my townsend inflamed and i was in this this before actually went to the doctor by the time i went to the god damn. I can't even understand how you can breathe but anyway so i was in so much pain i call now on one and <hes> when a person picked up pan de hung up so i didn't know that they can call back and they call back and after that my mom was like i'm gonna go ahead and take he did a doctor. This must be seeing yeah. My brother did same thing. I i take a call back to. I don't know i you know i really don't no. Maybe it's different chicago or i don't know they're so busy. There's no record is positive understaffed but montaigne is people paying for their service and for this service <hes>. Let's see what else we got. <hes> <hes> <hes> tired of talking about these fucking shooters skip this story but the el paso suspects mother called the police concerned about him having a gun prior to the shooting so not gonna read the article but we knowing what's wrong with these people ahead of time and no one gives a fuck <hes> so let's see there's anything i'm going to talk about for our move on <hes>. Our woman loses her county job after report her supervisor for giving a lap dance to a deputy or georgia woman claims she was fired from her job without explanation however she believes it adds something to do with a lap dance she witness at the workplace <hes> <hes> yeah she works clayton county jail <hes> king clayton county jail clerks say it at three times past clayton county jail clerk. Sharing cunningham said she was terminated. After she reported her supervisor giving a lap dance to a deputy the county county officials say the supervisor gwen aveer mcchord was suspended for five days without pay for unprofessional behaviour. Cunningham is now questioning. Why incident resulted in her firing hiring right. Why did i get fired our top. Everyone else gets suspicion. Yes you get suspended for giving the last you get five for snitching and y'all work as fucking shares at the jail yala police people but john mitchell each other <hes> smidgen account when the suspects though kind of house there she was not giving a reason for terminating the determination the deterrent for her timer nation. The clayton county shares obviously who says she was fired for gossiping making false allegations and writing an lion while under investigation. I don't believe them kind of have the naza accusation and this it is everything she reported was true kind of housing in legal representation right buck. You suspended nothing happened. There's a big twist right ahead to care so the supervisor who was accused of giving a lap dance was in a new several years ago and we covered this story. She was in the news several years ago at the she was shot by clayton county sheriff victor hill. The incident occurred back in twenty fifteen wounded mccord who was working as a realtor. At the time the share <hes> call nine one one claiming he accidentally shot the woman while they practice police tactics so that was that black dude that shot of black woman that was a realtor and it was was like more stuff kept coming out like they knew each other. Whatever i don't yeah like was this domestic violence. Try to kill her so apparently douse. That was the woman who was given the lap dad n._b._a. At this at this jail the same woman this right then job yeah motherfucker right. I'm fucking suing and cunningham to women who got fired right claims that hill emma court are now dating which adds a whole other layer to the case so the do shot her and mcchord there there there. Are there dating now been dating. I think they were always dating. I think that's just sound like some domestic violence shit right right. What satellite like storm went wrong and she got shot up yeah. That's crazy that story that little story from back. They're not little bit four years ago. You know we covered that was like this is weird. It continues a gay winter by i lose them. All most jobs had thing but been on the job or a you know you see anything at your job inappropriate. Here's the number call. Here's the email so she did. There and i lose my the job because i'm telling on him. <hes> that means somebody to pull some strings to give me motherfucker fucking gossiping gossiping. Could you got him fired. Fuck you. Yes the bit must like that a lot. No i always the all social media they are saying. You know you like somebody. Shoot your shot. He did with his best shot didn't he. You are <hes> <hes> american gore during the running of the bulls was trying to get a selfie. Don't get more american than that. Bulls has tastes the desire to have soviet souvenir from running with the bulls anytime to a near death experience as an american lawyer says he'll never american lawyer. One who is representing that was my benjamin current <hes> obviously angle charging bull ran over and gore san francisco resident jamie alvarez in the neck during the first run of years san fermin festival in pampa pamplona and event immortalized by by writer ernest hemingway nearly a century ago the joy and excitement of being in a board riding quickly turned into a scared to real life real fear for my life alvarez forty-six forty six ed darkest hour as the balls deep into his neck and fracture part of a cheekbone that it didn't hit the juggler rain or major arteries will describe to injure patriot as beyond miraculous. I'm reservoirs the public defender in santa clara. The county california said he relies has really been hurt during his encounter with the boss monday morning when he touched his neck and his hand cain away covered with blood i realized when i felt the bullhorn ima tonsils i might not be too. Oh good for you when i was breathing blue on my been a bad look. You can have a little horn on my wrong here. You know uh home was digging out of my mouth. I said i think i think i tend to take their salvi. I wanna be yourself you though in hand with the horn through a space like oh come on a real trump now and of course it was a few seconds of million came to my mind that have died was definitely one one of them was it appears starting. He will live running brought rebukes from his wife and daughter the three stop in pamplona. The check out the famous san firm and festival while en route to another city was playing soccer tournament right now the trail nothing says soccer is born like trying to get yourself gordon death to voicing your son play a game. I've i've heard it all. I have heard it are jamie arash from santa clara county california sits so now i picture <hes> yeah now he was there and his wife and <music> daughter cautioned him against joining the crowd that we raise the bulls. No don't women be having no most gone insane bush. I wanted to anyway. Thank our i said. The energy industry pamplona on the festival's opening day was too strong to resist <hes> your wife and daughter i did. They resisted the running of the bulls and the nine days of seamless partying that accompany. The festival draws about a million spectators to the city. I didn't know they party for nine days. Why i didn't know they bought it for nine days. The most people don't be out there with the bulls la- makes sense though i mean if you get drunk nine days in a row you're gonna wanna ryan was on board like it's not as bad ideas. It was before you was drawn. Because many foreigners imagine following the hemingway who channeled his experience in the nineteen twenty six novel the sun also rises hundreds of runners with varying degrees of fitness hours asleep the race ahead or next to the ball chartered through cobblestone barricaded streets pamplona's bullring records dating back to nineteen ten list sixteen deaths from the event. That's it <hes> our says. He ran most nine hundred and thirteen yard course ahead of the bulls by the time they encountered the bullfighting plaza has it and a pack of animals at caught up with them saying that is oh wow only sixteen eight people died and they do that shit every year. That's how i wonder what the injuries are like. Oh yeah people give stampeded tone you say declined onto a fence for safety and only returned to the arena to shoot a short video when he thought the danger had passed. He wanted a five second video scene. Say okay here. I am i did it. That's going to stable okay me and run if pass the ball chosen race in pamplona out of their way between five hundred to six hundred kilos which is eleven eleven hundred to thirteen hundred pounds god. The impact was unlike anything i've ever felt it was like being hit by car truck. It was scary. I was really out of really stunned. I didn't know what direction to go. He recalled surprised to an wouldn't kill us about armed push. The crowd pushed through the crowd and get to the pair air medics. Possibly saving the americans live for surgery took two and a half hours <hes>. He's says he is stable. Condition means he could be discharged tuesday. He has has promised to suffer returned to pamplona to enjoy the festival as a spectator but not a bore. I said well now. How can you say that you might as well get caught up in the fucking emotion the shit and and now you now you out there again. We're never going across that often leads. If you go yeah me without being the dow there by yourself right you think i think they know the knicks. The i'm gonna be soon as we get back on. Be sure. All your wheel is up to date everything current. I'm be issue everything in my neck. Gone better have a good time. I love you but if you die you ain't gonna leave me broke yeah my house. No do you united going to go and watch time. I'm not going to get caught up into the most everything but were you got a dan reed and shipped real ball s stupid <hes> ten active loved bring you closer <hes> does by psychology today. Oh okay so we're gonna see what they say. <hes> crane romantic the relationship with some everyone thinks about a few people do perhaps because they act you can't think of exactly what to do so yeah ten extra love that you can do with or for for your partner to bring a little more romance to your relationship one make your morning time special by bringing your partner a cup of coffee while he or she is still embiid if if you're willing and able you can also serve them breakfast and be able make your partner feel chairs and the communists will be returned sweep announcing coffee so i'm bringing some copy tamara ah okay i got care and i want you to feel the chairs. We'll be return. Don't drink you wanna dark black. No no that even these black men who take these knees you know the cabinet an example because he was the first they've let tehrik read in angry plays for carolina panthers play st street me every game. The world didn't end so cabinet could be theoretically planning as lee. He pissed off those white news and they're still so residually mad at him. He has now would probably cost them so much fucking money so my i'm not talking about just the deal they cut with him. I'm talking about ratings bad publicity. Papa john's talked in the obviously the deal they cut with him the salary they have given to all these washed up to mediocre quarterbacks that they had to give them extra money just because they weren't colin kaepernick right like i don't go well. We gotta do to get jay jay cutler out here so we can say we tried without really trying to make the team better. There's a much better quarterback who won't cost us as much but we'll just get jay cutler louder booth and throw them out here. You know so that's that's what's so funny and i think also there's an assumption that <hes> one one of these people activists could get cabernet job back you know and maybe that'll be part of a deal. Maybe that's something they can happen but i really think these white men are so fucking tuck in profitable. I would be shocked if eighty one was able to get kapernick job period agreed. They're fucking prideful. So in the meantime tom everybody is essentially cashing in on their pride because they're trying to fix an issue without doing the most obvious fucking thing that was fixed issue just giving kapernick job because mostly the people that are boycotting are very are pretty much only boycott and the cabinet doesn't have a job they're not actually boycotting or any principal right is this do does have a job and we have decided to make him a black leader. In the state of that you know 'cause he'd never because because cabinet never demanded a boycott. He never no one ever sat down. Conditions and parameters of a boycott people just galvanized the fact that there was anger out there and it was like now we have the bag is the n._f._l. Agreed you know and i think that's where everybody's at right now. It's like i'm angry n._f._l. Fix is this what how are they supposed to fix it. We're now giving to these causes. We're now doing deals with these people. Jay z. was just calling people ashes. They don't be in a super bowl now. He's is in charge of music direction. What more do you want. You know what they won't cabinet to have a job and then it's over and then everybody's going to be back to normal. You know what i think truly down and i insisted on this even if they give cabinet job back. I just can't see people returned to the n._f._l. Because once you've figured out you can where without something that's it so. Many people now have lily over year. A pushing almost two gotten accustomed to not sit in front of t._v. Eight nine ten twelve hours on saturdays and shit like that so right a you know they're doing other shit now so all of a sudden they didn't tell family and friends and rove ones and doing another. You're you're not gonna back right so i don't see <hes> yeah. I don't know i just don't see this being thing where people come back and then one day it is like oh. It's like it never happened right. Do you know i feel like once you once teigen genie's out the bottle man you blown it so yeah i i expect to see the whatever happens at the cabinet comeback because it doesn't make the n._f._l. Less races no it is not you know and it doesn't make a progressive place to work is not ri- and i think people really didn't notice that that or nations i noticed people didn't really care until it was cabinet. Agreed tiller was their thing right. Yeah and some people may have already felt this way. The cabinet was the thing you know what i always feel already. Feel this so fucking right yeah. Mommy's i wanna play he does. They put out a video him working working out. Just maybe a few weeks ago you know every every preseason booze and madonna to even if he didn't wanna play he needs to at least look liking the willing to be out there so and whatever the deal he signed with the settlement. It did not preclude him from playing in the n._f._l. So <hes> <hes> you know and it and it and it also is busey. He should be out there if you can pull it off again. Rapists chow bidders woman abusers hug <music> added as all the other things. They call violations in the n._f._l. You can put out there how to fuck. Is this man carrying. A black about about black lives more than anything. Those guys did right and they're still playing you know and then on top of that. You have other guys who need other guys who spoke out against. The president spoke out against the n._f._l. And they're playing specifically going after cabinet because he started this shit and it's not fair and not get why people are upset and trust me. This is our second day off. Okay okay. We don't have n._f._l. Channel still they have not made a deal. Oh you verse folk eiden. We are still out on the n._f._l. Until they either get back on u. verse or they come to some type of deal cabinet <music> so you know don't judge folk art continues. <hes> also stop eating. I have eaten any chick-fil-a oh we had in a long long time so put me on lists lotta foci okay so anyway zero two hundred for these comments <hes> our get is. I will say like fifty 'cause like i you know what the job and onto eighty because i don't know because him you go. Yes the messenger on this one for me right like a hey for. Would it being sean kane calling him out. I'm less fucked with by the hypocrisy jay z doing this now. I do find the fact the j._c. Told people not to do the super bowl last year and then now. He's in charge of music. I do find it to be somewhat hypocritical. I don't think there's any way around that shit why you you did you just said you know what i mean and no matter what caused given to a whatever unless it's going to end up with cabinet getting a job or something you're you're not gonna have people come around and i believe as he's smart enough to know that so i feel like he literally just saying let me cash in 'cause y'all got a fucking problem and me and rock nation who already do deals with the n._f._l. Right that didn't stop say thing with which same thing with cabinet is making in commercial right. The money is the money you know we just when we deci- someone who's a hero we had to decide other people outta villain and that's why i'm gonna cabinet but cavernous mix gotta nike nike check to and people celebrate it that you know jersey sales people celebrate it that for him so i don't know much more complicated advocating the people think but yeah i'd say fifty mac is the person colonists out is not the person. I think we're about to get cut off. It's real quick so i'm gonna pause all right. <hes> yes <hes> <hes> do one more <hes> <hes> how texas police are for photo of officers on horseback horseback lean suspect away by rope what yeah yeah <hes> obviously it does not look good. <hes> <hes> for the police to have a black man <hes> to add up to a rope is a scored him on horseback. Yeah apologized for the controversial quotas posted on facebook over the weekend showing two white police officers on horseback leading a black man away using a rope. The man identified as i don't nearly forty three was arrested on charges. Artis criminal trespassing officers were identified by the galveston police department as ours appear brash and obviously as smith. The image immediately caused an uproar in the community community. You don't even do a dog like that. Sherry kelly of spring texas to ooh spring texas ain't the same place that little girl got body slam <hes> that black girl or like a pool party. I feel like that's the same place they saying yeah motherfucker. I don't care that's inhumane. Where where were they walking down to. And why did they rope him if he was handcuffed. I don't think it's right at galveston residents cynthia or reese y'all can call it. A car lewis's galveston police chief vernon. L. held a third released. An apology have a police department monday night on facebook. That's the patriots. Agassi's polynesian alesina happened first and foremost i must pilot asked mr neely for this necessary embarrassing. I believe i showed poor judgment in this instance and could've waited for transport a unit location of arrests ri- which is probably what they were supposed to do well. Let's just parade him around town a little bit <hes> the statement also said that even though it appears that nearly really was being led away by rope that bound hand together the suspect was handcuffed and the line was clipped the handcuffs okay totally different. Health officers were familiar what mr neely and neely i've been warning trespassing upon this says located several times. Well okay cool. Well i guess now we can <hes> lynch him since he's he's been under before my hours did not have any militias intended the time to rest but we have immediately changed the policy to prevent the use of this technique apology. Our reportedly did not satisfy nearly sisters. There's who says she was upset that she was. She's oughta image. She said her brother's mentally ill and homeless. We understand negative procession that is action galveston police department officials. You just said facebook puddles technique of using mountain horses to transport a person doing an arrest is considered a best practice in certain scenarios such such as during crowd control attack. This was not used correctly in this instance police confirmed the officers involved with the arrests were using body cameras at the time <hes> k. r._t. K. k._t._a._r. Okay was that opposites do not have any for the actions of course not just another day as police officer <hes> <hes> zero to one hundred ninety. Okay drik ours for me. That's <hes> just that imagery alone because i've been reading i in your book yeah. I don't know god marine ida soda among lions or what but that add the imagery of that the humanity of it. It's disgusting honestly <hes> and the fact that they i really do do believe these officers had no racist intent. I really do believe that m._s._a. Workers they never took the time to even consider the optics of this shit. They decided to do some cool shit do. I don't think why people wake up every morning not all of them but i don't think there's a lot of people that don't wake up in the morning and be like how what can i end up going viral on social media for being racist. Literally disregard black lives that fucking much. There's no empathy there. They don't care. He's mentally ill. They don't care he's homeless. They don't care. He's not a person to know. They say you wouldn't do that to a dog. You're right. They wouldn't even do that to a dog. 'cause they. Have empathy for dogs. They don't have empathy not black people so to me which is worse is worse to be that kind of ignorant then to be like overt races now me it's not worth as much there's worse you raise what trying what you're racist savant with the foot the racist raymond outta here so yeah. You're cars predom- come on i last one iggy. Azalea talks comeback mental health and cultural appropriation criticism. I can't be that i can sorry about it. Oh my direct opposite taylorsville iggy azalea is back reclaim a her time after her longstanding musical hiatus yeah now see this year you tanked. I remember you try to come out with an album. Tour taint ride had a council today. Eh you say hiatus. I'll stay your ass was not so no yeah he was selling. Now on. The hills are released. Her sophomore studio album in my defense can't the ozzy superstar is opening up about her time away. He's come with an accent. It'll be so. I don't know it'd be better if she's still doing it and we're like nigger you. We know you don't talk like that. Why are you trying to get away with this. I don't know if that will be better or she didn't just like australia accent that whole album wheels like this the real itchy. This is disgusting that you even tried to have a black sent. Listen to how you really really talk and is that temperature cosmopolitan cosmopolitan so you still get big time. Interviews shared the highs and lows hiatus which included time away from mental health retreat treating twenty sixteen. I just couldn't get out of my out of fortunate that insanity level <hes>. She said she addressed inability to separate. Well intended criticisms from traveling. Yeah i mean that's what jimmy d is. That's why for jimmy years <hes> and i do understand because a lot of the criticisms criticisms were not well intended and a lot of the stuff was trolling <hes> war parsons harassment is another person's dragging agree is hard to decipher when you're in the middle of that storm like what is really people trying to help you do better and what is people telling you to go. Kill yourself so i totally understand that part right but now in the wake of her treatment of day is a better face ready to hit the ground running you get as many shots as you are able to preserve persevere four in life no matter what you do you you get as many chances as you are willing to sit there and fucking really fight for tooth and nail and i'm not gonna stop fighting for a second chance until somebody gives me. Why and i'm not going to fuck it up. Okay <hes> good luck. I wonder if she still works. He's working with her. I don't know like i haven't i don't know she got a new deal. Is he. The guy our her deal or you know somewhere. Tea is sitting there in the background like i hope nobody notices me trying to make money off. If this girl for the second term like nobody knows it is she's still on my label and i'm trying to you know as much as tip claims to be really woke black dude down for the culture you know let me go ahead and take back out there to the wolves and see what happened. Despite the rappers new enlightenment though there isn't much she's willing to change about who she is. The person artists for that matter of fact in interviews area address criticism of our music and the complaints of history of cultural appropriation although she acknowledged that she was unapologetic about her antics she believes cultural appropriation is subjective. You can ask one person at the same rate. Does this affect you and they will say yes but another person will say no they could be on the same place ain't everything but hey different spectrums about it. I'll still gonna make the type of music is still be ridiculous and larger than life so i can't be that fucking sorry about it. She said acknowledging the fact that it would be as not to apologize but continue baby especially because the same reason the reason a lot of people love her. I will hit back and say what about this that i had to go through because i wanted to talk so much about my experiences of things i didn't have and i think it felt like i wasn't acknowledging that there's white privilege and there's institutionalized racism. She said it didn't feel like you weren't a may. I remember those conversations d- if you wanna call him that she wasn't saying that any of of this no sane wanted wrapped olas was mimicking kendrick lamar say a nigga yeah. I'm a slave master. That's what she said. I'm a runaway slave master master start that she'll say and tips. It is cool to say find. She say she's playing the reasoning behind a new outlook on top of it seemed like to a lot of people like i was living in the bubble aware of things that people have to experience so now's the results. She says she understands criticism stems from but according to cosmopolitan and she doesn't really really care now see there's shit to me is the kind of shaped and i'm like. This is why people hate folks. 'cause i would say of taylor swift did this interview. I blocked yeah. That's what we want. You know like instead of trying to search some like penny any like ticky tack. Jack shit this motherfucker telling face like yes. I'm culturally appropriate yo shit yes. I'm gonna continue with a black sand. Yes i'm gonna continue acting black on these tracks six and y'all better give me a second chance and yeah. I know there's white privilege and racism the fuck. I don't hear my if that person is telling you that ah okay fuck them this so many people volunteer to be on the list of fuck me. Just hey man fuck me. I'm a terrible private. Cars ars in some of these people are willing to do it you know and she was funny. Is i don't know about herat's because i'm not a fan her like that <hes> but light. Let's say she can rat right. Let's say you can how much better of a album of experience would it be. If she fucking was real with everybody for second rabah about the she's at a real she happened to her life like from being abused by men. I think he came over here. Under as some black do was fucking her and tried to fuck her out of her contract and all this shit like came from out brought up from australia taxi. She no nobody i guarantee you. That's unreal unreal suffering some real sheet that we all can at some real pathos. We all can identify where and be like yo. That's happening says there's i just had our new poll from a photo shushi day with a woman for some magazine just this year somebody went and put the the unfiltered nudes out there here on internet assuming that wasn't from her some type of elaborate p._r.'s name okay you rap about that the violation of that so many women can relate to that you can even wrap about being lost and feeling like you needed lama on the black culture and these black man was. They're telling you dad do it. Did digital is gonna help you sail you do in your real voice which are real fucking image and and people would laugh everybody but a lot more people would embrace the reality of and be like at least you finally told you actual true right rather than getting on a track and trying to pretend to be nicki menaj cardi b. or whatever never black woman is popping right now like why would you do that. Just be real. Try to embrace the real. Everybody fucks up when they tried to embrace this whole like i'm obviously like these haters and now the hater still wearing a light blue. They still running your life. Now you still mad yeah you feel and you steel mad. You still haven't really recognized the fact that you're not a victim initiate. Sarah silverman chevron out of the day you still mad still hurt are because you can't accept like this idea was actually fucked up and there should be price paid for that so yeah. I do the only thing i'm gonna be watching. Initiate shaka's obviously the only thing it'd be watching from auditions to see which people are proper her up this time because i this tip man like bro you spend all this time colin black people koon's ship for not standing up for the things you think are right and they do you keep putting his white woman home and face it better. You better not bre. I don't think he will you know i'm sure she got a lot of seizures not being real yet. You know what i'm saying. I'm not saying saying that on the way of like isn't possible for. I really do think hopefully i don't know her. Age was some time some perspective after this next next album flop to people clough her for this shit. He's not going to hopefully the next time she come actually gonna be real where everybody because she went through things wchs but this but this this i must be wrapping like you know i think i would like you. Look silly during that you you. We know you don't talk like that. You look silly. You don't get any respect when you appears in a game with like you hurting yourself at this point. That's why you had. I had to go away right. You know you didn't come back from this ready to be like real wood everybody. Which is the only thing people going to be able to see. You know what i mean like. You know what i mean. You is a difference between colin. Somebody fake and somebody like just being like oh. No i must be fake. You literally just literally. I must be putting on an act guys do the same thing i've been doing. Okay yeah. Okay okay if you think that's that's the way to roll. I'm just letting you know it ain't gonna work. <hes> monologue is are the black people can't wait to fucking clown this year if it don't especially when he sales stone yeah especially she wouldn't know sales. Come back and other thing too is. I don't really see white people fucking like that. Either nope nope long-lasting cups like they would. You want to buy why people we'll be in music. They still not trying to buy no music. Black people don't think it's cool correct so all right. Well good luck to her. <hes> <hes> zero two hundred dollars to focus he ain't changed <hes> and just wait article woods was written is lying. I think it's so weird 'cause like she. Literally doesn't bother me because i don't keep up with her. He's saying but but i mean her her her fate blacks and shit is agreed man is bad and then when you hear her talking to her regular it really i don't know you like. She said they different black. People don't feel different ways about it and maybe she can just rely on the black people that don't feel necessarily bothered by her to be her audience but my guess is even wasn't claimed not to feel bothered. Don't actually buy music or support going to purchase up and follow your like your instrument because you'll big ass but they not purchasing your shit. Yeah i don't know man. I say out of fifty. I guess just just 'cause it's higher. She just repeat offender. You know average slave masters shit. I don't think i'm ever gonna look at her and be like does nothing like she always be. A person. I rome is set for the rest of their life. So galactica galactic good luck to her and her album sales got that yaffa lover so good luck to go into next album out there. You know what i'm saying. Oh you got at least one style in our chat room. Okay don't ruin a boo boo <hes> i. Thanks very under this all all right. Let's go to the two now for some guests. That's right is guest raise time. Uh for some guests that has long time that's right. It's time i forget the race the number one game so going across all the podcasts we read a plate news argue from all over the globe and we try to guess the race the people involved and karen plays along and so does the chat rooms and day all races all right. Let's in the week on a high note guys you try west. He largest housing fraud in o._c. History allegedly carried out by a mother and daughter duo white westminster california. A mother and daughter are under arrest for west being called the largest housing fraud case in orange county history erica mickens and her daughter brittany mickens are facing felony charges again accused of scamming jamming the county section eight housing and it's in home support services program. They were allegedly bilking the system to fund a lavish lifestyle. These two individuals are accused still upwards of one hundred ninety thousand dollars. God from the housing authority air from in home support services said kimberly ads of the orange county district attorney's office. That's a lotta money. <hes> neighbors say officers spent the day eh the family's house thursday making their arrest in collecting evidence an investigator went door to door interviewing neighbors suspects can steal the identity using multiple birth certificates and identification card to the fraud tax payers they add ood sophisticated investigators said erica received the maximum benefit reserved for the most really disabled clients though they say surveillance showed our during work around her home without issue the other day they do when they know you got an benefits where they will steak house house. Maybe i look clam basketball back broke. We've got to get out of the diaz said the pair took lavish international trips and posted a votto facebook neighbors said they arkansas luxury cars at the home. She had a porsche and now she has a range rover in the garage. Say danny sanchez the snitch it jealous this can make us as each face a maximum eight years in state prison caring guests the race of let me start to see their names. It was eric mickens. His and brittany mickens flight can't is going with white less. Check the chat room and see what they believe <hes> so i had to bring that picture you too <hes> the chat rooms says welfare queen orange county becky white asian kim says mary. I'm the realist first things first. I'm the release white scamming aspect his white black o._c. Theme song white in california white irish okay everybody's going why marley black with a bunch of question marks <hes> <hes> all right well they white says career or either the correct answer is karen will white linked wrong. They are black in a handful of y'all went with white and you you get the i mean black you get the golf clout -gratulations that much money and nobody was day niggers. I i don't know what would you mean these numbers. How come up in a news article no. I'm not even come up in a news article but you know nobody investigated. They don't even want to get they don't even wanna wanna give nothing and they actually got white that much money you like that. Nobody investigated you up yeah. That's them right there us. Air-to-air madden mickens and brittany monet mickens up there scamming the welfare system. Y'all oh yeah yeah they they black gaulle scammers never die okay andy so and the clue would have been if you would've asked me to spell it. Erica was spelled e. r. i. c._c._a. Oh yes but you didn't ask for spelling bad. That is why you are awful one. Let's see are you talked about this story. <hes> a montana boy thirteen was slammed to the ground at a rodeo at keeping hat on during the national anthem a thirty nine year. Old man was arrested after the incident while the voiceover injuries serious enough that he had to be airlifted to a hospital out of the state. What thirteen year old boy was seriously as lee injured when a man from at montana rodeo slammed into the ground what did not remove his hat. During a during planet national anthem kirk james brockway thirty nine was arrested on suspicion of felony assault on a minor following the alleged attack at the rodeo in mineral county fair on saturday the aboard originally taken to a nearby hospital but his andrews was so serious he had to be airlifted to sacred heart children's hospital in spokane washington according to a statement from mineral county jeremic boom. Oh he was definitely bleeding out of his ears. He was scared said witness taylor hanoch he saying shock and eh out of it and wondering why he was being hit yeah i would also be wondering why rockwell said he asked the boy avas hat afterwards the team kirsty him oh well of course then you cannot put them in the hospital. We all know that rule mineral county attorney ellen donoghue said in a written damiani twenty-three say everyone at the rodeo was standing for the national anthem when he saw the assault happened just a few feet away to our left then i looked over and i am because i heard a pop and this man grad a little boy by the negative slammed into the ground i saw corner. Ma brockway reportedly told police people around him afterward that he was right to attack the boy. Who has there been wearing a red baseball cap. He said the boy was just baked national anthem by wearing his hat. I heard him say that in front of a lot of people brockway walkway lizard superior montana. I'm sure he does is on registry of valid offenders stemming from a twenty right shocking news estate stemming from a two thousand eleven convicted for assault with a weapon. He was released on his own recognizance on tuesday of course. Let's get them back on the streets. After a judge denied requests quest for prosecutors to impose one hundred thousand dollar bond donohue said in a statement at n._b._c. news wednesday that the state based its bond quest on brockway criminal history of violence that atta the alleged victim and it's going to serve the community defense council agreed persuasively argued persuasively it appears that the defendant has strong and long lifetime asa community so he was not a flight risk and that conditions could be put in place to afford community inappropriate measure of safety brockway was the least on listened conditions which include home arrest at his parents home with a g._p._s. monitoring device no contact with any witnesses and no alcohol or drug use his attorney and parents could not be immediately reached for comment commit. He lives with his parents. How did i say was started three to now to what was when he was thirty nine thirty nine. The boy has was no longer at sacred heart children's hospital wednesday hospitals say declined ever really details about the victim title so yeah guess the race of the kirk james brockway. The guy was slammed the kid into the ground over not taking taking his hat off. Make america great again white all right. Let's check the chat room. Let's see what they believe not in jail white manny his abbey white mega on red hat. The man during the slamming was white and the boy was black. How dare to break the flag. I have no idea what the boys racehorse bay. He'll take. He's had out next time. We'll black. That's not really a race why on lesser white hate crime released on on reconnaissance. Why okay got you take. Everyone went wide on this and everyone got it. Correct the abbott save us by black. I my my races. This is of course he has the reading from higher learning haircut which <hes> lot of racists preferred these days yeah just fleming a thirteen year old kid yeah when i read this idea which one oh when i read this i was like i do wonder kids black but it was at a rodeos i don't know no. I haven't seen a picture of the kids. I don't know if he's black guys <hes>. I just know that crime was horrible. <hes> uh-huh all right. Let's see <hes> oh do one more go to the bonus round up on his music the iraq phones and that's why double the points double race in the bonus round a guest the race so far karen is actually one and one but can't make it up in the bonus round. We'll see a lot of people are wondering one when i did. I want to come home. I mean they they. They had their own ideas about erica and brittany. Actually i know in o._c. Elsie woman hunts down a thief who stole her car and steals it back. Legend and icon daniel reynaud jeff daniel out danielle reno isn't an investigators. He doesn't work for the police department but that she used her best sleuthing skills to bring her car back home. Did i park somewhere else. No i know i parked here. Somebody stole my car and it was all downhill from there. Reno said it was a full investigation <hes> for reno. She found a police report for missing foreigner. Then took things into our own hands. I i gotta my car grabbed. My daughter and my car was gone. The nonstop hunt for our car started at a quick trip close to our house. We stopped this lady for forty eight hours. She had no idea we're doing. I'll say reno track purchases are debit and credit cards as well as activity on her phone which has been taken and attended at a gas. H detail reno to carthy said they were headed to applebees. Reno decided it was time for dinner to what was going on here. Skills on these fuckers got our waters and we walked in the door. I about had a heart attack. Reno reno took the opportunity slip out the front door. Take back what was hers. Oh my god before. I call the cops on this show you how what we just found by doing stocking to applebee's. My heart is racing reno said on video video. She has my wallet air. Hand my keys in her hand getting a car back. Is it the crazy story. Look at my feet beer my backseat. She said on the video these trashed astra car to the point. She won't drive it. Their stuff on the car seats and stuff on the season's. Just gross reno said not to mention this mail h when we opened the doors. Oh man ed reminds me of the other guys. What was it dirty. Rob learning into grew at boy really is so underrated. Y'all's leave on the guy is really got movie. Oh man now other car now. Two people arrested in the video are in the hands of clay county. Deputies reno say the car is practically a loss with the damaged emerson terrier so she shutting the door on this part of her life to begin a new chapter k._c. Tv five news wanted to know how police felt about the detective worker. They said don't do this. Crazy shit. I know they added reno. Never put herself in harm's way all right care guess the race of danielle reno. I think danny arena is black. Okay cairns going with blacklist chat room. See what you guys believe. Daniel reno's race is <hes> latin latin latino black. <hes> acuity applebee's blizzak white white girl white so got three days in a row therese mad at the rock for a how white black would have fucked up onsite white. She did all that because she didn't have insurance on the car. Try see black. Is that what it is. We don't have insurance general insurance. I don't know what you mean like one issue. I needed to go ahead and beyond way clear with it. I feel like you try to yup. That's black. I thought you were you raised as little guy. She actually is the real white and the correct answer is care. Would you say black <hes> you got it wrong. She's white put <music> some yadi get right to say it white. The only a white woman would do some shit like this and be on the news about it like as a cute store so i thought it was pretty obvious she was white. I'd come back and he was like gotta go to work in the morning. They need to live with no hands. I'm just saying dan some may right. She had a lot of time attractive for two days like <hes> a nice job. She can take two days off stock. This woman and she let them keep using her credit cards for two days for two days. The second market is gone. I'm i'm on the phone. Hey cutting off. I don't know what they try to buy. Man well the weird story <hes> all right. Let's go to the last thing of course sore righteousness. I'm sorry let down today was a terrible. I won't do aw and in a rare sword wretchedness that i actually support georgia mom slashed her boyfriend with a sword after allegedly walking in on him molested her daughter five years old <hes> when the twins county sheriff's office responded to a call last thursday night they we're told there was an on one subject on the property. They quickly sent a squad car to the scene but when police arrived at the central georgia home they say they met a woman who made a series accusation jason guess her boyfriend john warren williams black when deputies made contact with the plane it was discovered the complaint is boyfriend cotton less than a five year old female trial the statement as the woman who called police with the child's mother who had the subject with a large store while attempting to get to legal residents fled to residents by the time deputies arrived an ambulance transported the little girl and her mother to a nearby hospital who their condition is unknown authority search for williams the twenty five year old. I'll turn himself in several hours later. He suffered a cut on his left hand from the sore. He's taken taken a jail. People confirmed williams remains in jail. No nobody he hasn't been charged ragged child-molestation. 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Fury Says Wilder KOs JoshuaPlant Says He Runs 168 NOT CaneloJessie Magdaleno vs. Vicente

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Fury Says Wilder KOs JoshuaPlant Says He Runs 168 NOT CaneloJessie Magdaleno vs. Vicente

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Flagship show special type of flagship show because we got these fights and we want to see them, and we want to watch him with you guys, so yeah, man Tyson Fury. called the second best of course he is. No, he is. You know you went for fight the third time around. And yet we got killed plant, the rest of the ESPN card man put. Mary Yo ski pop that of the pipeline. Wow. Thinking accurate. Pan Yes. Yes, yes, damn, I'm tied Tyson fury every day on my Tom, Lan and now. Again again on the news, but Kayleigh plans making some noise. He runs one sixty eight and I remember him being called the duck, or balked on or balked on the offer, and it was a once in a lifetime offer to ask. To. Let's chop it up. What up DOE. Caen Mario. It's a me Mario. What a what a Fellas! Yeah! not a lot of notes, not a Lotta News to discuss because we got the coming up and at the end of the day. That's all we. We would rather watch the fights talk about him. We know that so should be a good fun show Tuesday was any indication, but Phyllis, which y'all been doing in the last few hours. You already know. I have been I been honestly honestly. I've been trying to get more and more educated on the Forex Unit I. Mean I'm going to I. See him. Into Atman Mommy. Jumping into that, pretty, soon My son is killing in animation, so he got me intrigued. Like the incredible. Yeah I would like to check that out myself. seems cool is. Because I started looking a bitcoin again and I saw dropped from the mid tens down, and it just stuck on nine seven, and then dropped a little bit and that's why I left it a long time ago. Because it's just you know, it would stay like before the should drops me just leave so I left completely, but you know like a week ago, it was at nine five nine six now at nine to. It's just been staying was. Vigo's to seventy nine I'm a buying. It! Ain't dry and is definitely not a non too early. This morning was as high as like ninety nine. Point something I. Believe you. Watch all emitted that that's what I'm saying. You know. If you, WanNa, make money you gotTA. Watch it at all I was. See like right now. Is that three but four hours ago? It was at seven, so if you consistently by selling by selling you, you may see. Four hundred. You know what I'm saying, 'cause. It was ninety seven a little bit ago. But. What? makes. Sense call you talk with. By ninety three in his shoes back ninety seven and you sell, you may four hundred. Ninety, three DAU nine hundred hundred dollars investment will. Hell out of you know. That's what I'm saying. That? You Ain't gotta do that, you could you could like. You could do a thousand for four hundred. That's small flew. Do that like it goes up the points if you've got a hunting Bra. is going to go up two hundred if it went up ninety nine, hundred, ninety, three to ninety seven. Yeah so whatever whatever let's get back to the topic. Hand Tyson fury after everything that's been going on with him in the newsies breaking as far as potentially having a fight secure with Anthony Joshua. His new? Role Dog and Daniel Killer Ham. Who's been able to you know? Get him this big deal. Frank Warren coming out of nowhere saying they're trying to get him. A trillion dollar contract I mean fury is in the news. And As a wild fan I don't know if I'M GONNA. Really believe what he's saying here. Is this like I'm waiting I'm waiting for the you know. The the punchline because? He's already said that the third fight is going to be easier. He's already said he's not paying them. Two thousand, two million step aside money. He'd rather battery again so like. I! Don't know I'm almost. Almost like hesitant to believe that he truly believes the wild is number two, and he truly believes the while the knockout ag I i. don't know if I believe that because you know, he'll do an interview tomorrow and call him a bum. Yeah, maybe maybe he means that in by by saying if I do that, too, while imagine what I do too Aj. Maybe he's saying no, because he saying he saying why does number two and he will knock out Aj, and this is something he said before. They ever fought banal. He said it's a day after he beat them twice. He still saying while does number two, and he believes while knockout Aj. He says while most dangerous fight, right? That's what I'm fans, which means that age as way easier. So, I look at it. Oh look. I'll put it like this whether he believes it or not, he has to. Say That while there is the second. He has to make sure that by the time that fight rolls around that people aren't thinking of the shellacking in the second fight. People aren't thinking of this as the you know. Up Prize people aren't looking at wilder fury as Miss Congeniality. He's got to sell this as the biggest fight in heavyweight boxing. Because that's what it is. Ultimately, we don't have fury. Joshua signed so delivered despite the fact that you know the Internet thinks so. We don't have a guarantee that you know wilders. GonNa, Fight Joshua, he wins. God damnit these so we we don't. We don't have all these things you know what we do. have in front of us is the trilogy and the Trojans is the most impactful fight that we're probably going to have in two. Two Thousand Twenty, so he's got to build that up some way or another, and on top of that he's got also know that when he stepped into the ring, he knows that he could get Latin. He could get you. Know dropped at any point so if he's not covering his basis and he keeps calling is due to bomb and he loses to the bomb than what happens to your stock, so it doesn't matter whether he believes it. It's gotta be true. He's got a cell that point. Yeah I figured you know he's also GonNa be nice. You know what I'm saying with everything going wrong and big deals. Being talked about him being trying to be made. You know you don't want to get the guy that could possibly probably screw something up along the way if you keep bashing him or not, but he is the second best, and and and and that it was proved because he lost right. I mean we. We don't know fully, but everybody believes you'll be aj now. You know when you really think about it Tyson fury Even though even though he did such a such a good job in the in the in the second fight, he knows that. Everything he did. Wilder is going to go back to the camp and he's going to take a look at all that stuff. He's GonNa come back with counterattacks whatever he needs to do to come back and win, so this third fight is. It's going to be the the harder fight just because he changed everything up. He partic- I mean. He performed the way he did. It doesn't mean this is GonNa Happen again and for those people that think that it was easy. It wasn't easy. It wasn't easy to at all. He wasn't just a you know that one power shot or whatever? It was everything he was doing the. The weightlifting everything he did up to that point, but. He knows that he has a lot of trouble in store for this third fight, and that's why he's talking to talking. Because even if you listen to. After that that time stamp sentence, he was even talking about I. Don't WanNa be the guy you a on the floor with people taking pictures you know, and sending them to to to while they're me. Knock down, so it can have, and that's why while there's the best right 'cause. He can knock anybody Oh. Of course I agree with that and according to the rankings. Ring, Magazine Rate Game! Wild. The remember remember Rica. You could go to the box dot. com slash rankings. We all have them all in one location, which is the most convenient most websites don't have we have. Every division colonized colonized, and it's from the ring. The WTO the. I'm looking at right. See and the WNBA to make it convenient for all our viewers. And that's what I'm looking at right now, so let's say the Ring Magazine Day award the bell. It's not something that you know. Is they sanction and the politics behind the you get awarded, so deontay wilder is number, three and Anthony Joshua is number one. I. Don't agree with billion white being number two, but I do say that Tyson fury is number one because he was awarded that right, but I'm saying he's saying that He. Could easily beat up. and. Dante Wilder and deontay Wilder Kenaka out Anthony Joshua. He's just trying to sound real tough right now, and he's punking. Anthony Joshua with those words in my eyes. Mario well well, you spoke of rankings and you said you didn't agree with everything on there and most specifically talking about dillion white to say everything on there and I said I agree with the order. Surprised that. He's a number. Three and dealing white is number two. That's what I thought. I heard you say so. Let me pay some audio. On that yet done in the course of one day. The one spanner in the works we in would be the deleon white mandatory of a Grand Slam unification trump anything. Where does it in what's mandatory? For institutions plans the men. Now for those who don't know this or the voice that you will hear is Bob Arum and he's being asked about Tyson fury and Delia. Why and the mandatory situation? Check out his thoughts. Before we go to those starts grow quickly got a super chat from Calvin. Who says wilders best chances to step aside in Jess? No excuse me, step aside and hope AJ fury. He's got a much better chance of beating Aj. Then it's. then. It's for all the belts. That but. I agree if he step aside, he doesn't have that guarantee at that age a shot, but back to the audio from I'm sorry way also in a lot of people that say that never been an elite level fight, and nobody feels like to what if like, if shameful feeling guilt fulfilling, take money and step aside like this feelings that come behind stepping aside her daddy. He's talking about T. GIC dose should yeah, but strategically you still not in them shoes. Yes, if. You mess up Y'all head because you think you're doing strategic move, but then the emotions that you were unaccounted for take over. Exactly. Sure. I mean firefighters. Go through the same thing. Don't make it. You know any less safer to you know. Go through the bad road, and that's what they're saying is. Fury is the more dangerous road. In home are Algebra. Exam all right though bad example right because the the captain of the fire team doesn't get to the burning building and say Mario you could run in you. Step aside on his building and let us handle it so that you get shamed in front of all the other firefighters. That's not what happened, so it's a bad example. Championship. Chan Chan is a bad metaphor, but you but you get what I'm trying to say though negative. Metaphor, so we don't get it furious. That's. That's that's the super chest said that's what I'm saying. We get that back to the audio. Yeah, we got that because they text that we didn't get what you were saying. that. It was a bad metaphor I. Get it. I hit all. Check it out y'all. that. I am going to nope you out, Todd. I got rid of that y'all finders keepers come on back to the audio been looking at for two days in a dory's will have the pushed off. Into the future. Because of fighters. For at least three months at no ability to find. And then after the three months, the vice were done without spectators. We're GONNA join these organizations who eliminate the mandatory, these or the phone them all for at least one year. Damn Twenty, twenty two for dillion. Shot. Joe dillion better get along. Yo Happen to Dili ways mandatory status now. I think he's still going to get it. This is Bob Arum's. He wants to happen. You know what I mean. WBZ still has agreed to and so many other sanctioning bodies CNN I mean. But. He's not done giving us. Some giggles hold on. I personally am sick and dying. Of being voice with my Marquis Vyas. Fight, meaningless fights against so called mandate aures that let let's just stop there. Because, he's going to say something that maybe changes your answer right now, so that being said. Do you think mandatory are meaningless fights? Not always not always you know audio. Be Slick. I mean but. That's like asking. Is Food always good or bad like I? Mean that's the job. Aid depends. The mandatory depends on so many thousand has. Infanticide Sport Your Mandatory because you earn dad position, so it's not meeting meaningless to me on my is of sports and fitness, how no is not meaningless 'cause? Yeah, but what if I told you that? They, if. Only meaning only meaningless, because the business is not as big as the the the wilder AJ fight although Tyson, fury Aj, but then who is it meaningful to though to you? This is prize to me. The funding van, of course it is. Yes. It is well. You know what you're right. Back. Let's say that there was no money right? Let's say there was no money. Did it means the same thing, right? On his way. Did Anyway deserves the fight argument with the promotion, but the promoters and this is a tie superior. Interview on the lockdown. LOWDOWN is You know this is prize fighting. Promoters WanNa make the best right to make the pay and the way ties. Put it as that. Delaware eight. That guy you know he. He's that guy. They're gonNA, make money with me now we're him who got already got washed by AJ, and that's his words, so he c- He C- it like you know it's. The whole say. As usual how? Often. took his position meaningless, just politics eighty. He did do me you're you're absolutely right, but at the same time it's like you look at what they have in front of them. billion white is a a big fight I. don't care how you slice it. It might not be the biggest fight. We have right now in front of us right when you think about Joshua, fury and agent Joshua, fury and wilder in the tangle that we can make within the match ups, we can make out of those three, but dealing waste. Still a big fight like nobody can knock that and Mario. Mario and I mean like knock knock knock me. Meeting this is the wrong word. Because there, there's meaning behind. He's mandatory, so he should not say meaningless. He should've said we'll check out less less valuable. He's reason critical to less valuable of a fight. Check out his reason in need nothing. Me, I'm not going to denigrate. Dylan mind cause I don't know. I am like millions of people in the United States would own road would alley it's. So the fact that he's a mandatory means, absolutely nothing to me if he fought Tyson fury. Let's just pause it right there because it's funny. You know what I mean. This is what happens when when you. Spit in the air usually falls on your face. No one knows. Fixed. So he had that to say about Luis Ortiz a year ago. WHO's already done a pay per view and now by Baram saying that about him, meanwhile Bob Arum. 'cause I'm not just going to take shots at dealing way. Lookout Hypocritical Bob. Is Right, either he's telling the truth to the maximum degree, right? Being brutally honest or he's lying because. We all know that he fought on terrence but Crawford undercard. Did? Oh Yeah it was like Markham Tan was on the top rank undercard with Crawford so I don't understand how he says you know millions and millions I guess is right right because you know if Eddie can say that wilder was not popular two years ago in his own home country. Then I'm sure we can agree that. Bob Is correct in saying millions and millions of people do not know. deleon white in America. Yeah, but but this is what makes me this is what is so frustrating about this like okay, you WanNa, skip over diliah white, so what you can make fights like with Tom Shorts, or or out of Wallen, like ooh Delia white on my. Body Dilly. Dilly. Go ahead. No, he's sandbagged. You hear the rest of his reply. Okay, so dillion white. And I'll just give me like another ten seconds billion white. Is Popular, but his popularity is relative like, is he? Known compared to Michael Jackson. But he known compared to ninety five percent of the heavyweight talent in boxing today. Yes, so you know what I'm saying. It's all relative. It's the money, Bro, it's the money. Yes, thank you but I. thought he was a pay per view star, but he's not the big fight. He may be a pay per view star. Maybe he could do some good numbers I obviously. You saw finished with that, but he's not the big fight. Tyson fury is a man in this franchise ship you know is just is given the the ability for for these big time. Big Fight Stars to pretty much avoid anything in lieu of a fight, and that's where the franchise status was put in there for for money. Come on, guys this. You're absolutely right one hundred percent. But it doesn't feel I'm still a die. Hard Guy, remember last. I was here saying give white his shot. Give him a shot I want. That's what I want. That's all I want I wanted to get his shot. I'm just a hardcore fan. That wants to hardcore. Fight knows nothing about the reality of boxing, but that's that's. That's the hardcore in me man, but you know I. I've come to this time in my life, and in my sports and combat period, because even before I jump fully at the boxing. I would watch MMA and I didn't really get. Let me just rephrase that I didn't care for the business side, but now that I know more I can look back and think about those that time and I'm like what happened why this? It's all the money. And his franchise belt is. Tricky. Slippery! You get out of so much situations, and then you add that with injuries and everything else. That can go wrong. I'm just seeing a whole new life into the boxing business side of boxing, especially with these summits now that they're going to have and going to get together and talk about peak fights and the big money. I don't know guys looking into the future of the sport here. I'm with it, man. That's why you know whatever pass Daniel. Kinder- Ham Killer Ham whatever has I don't care. You know I only care about what he's doing in the sport. I didn't care that fifty got shot nine times, and that he was a troll or rap I. didn't Kid Jay Z. was who he was I. don't care about none of that I. don't care about what you can do for the sport. If he's the one that's going to secure you know. The big fight, so be that being said back to the audio is absolutely nothing to me if he fought Tyson fury. In the United States, it would be the same as fury fighting that Swedish guy that he floyd. It means nothing man. It means not all boxing promoters handle. How did you feel that like I? Felt the true fanatics. Like did you hear Bob Arum? He was like it means nothing and means nothing man. Let me just back that. You hurt like the passion in that. It is guy that he fought. It means nothing that means nothing he. He'll boxing even through that man. Because, it probably was like a job for him. You know all those big fights like major. You know so you kind of start getting used to major? Then you throw a fight that doesn't really. Mean much to to him as business. It doesn't mean real business, but it's a risk because you never know what happened. You know that that's where he's out with it. That's why he's doing that man. He's not the man. Listen I think the BOB is calling the kettle black. I think I. Use that ripe, probably not but Just? Hypocritical like this man is made so many fights but four. Before. It's on shorts that IOS saying like. What are you talking about right now? Like what? What are we even talking about? You know so so I would like to know what fights he wants to make instead of daily white. What you want you want fury in in and Aj to fight fifteen times. Like. What would you want I? Don't understand what. AJ Sure and we understand that, but it's like what other fights are out there. That are so much bigger than dilling white. I don't get it. For Fury. For Fury Andy Ruis. Listen to me, hold on before anyone says anything at all. If Tyson beach wilder. And? Let's say they can't secure Anthony Joshua. A common opponent would an American in America that you can do on pay per view isn't a viable option. I mean I, don't understand then he brings Eddie Renault so now to the corner it. All of a sudden isn't in the marquee. Fight is bigger than mart. TUBS MARTIGUES whatever billion. Why like? Name is bigger than billion. Because guess what Andy did billion couldn't do. He beat Joshua Dylan got knocked out by Joshua, so andy got the bigger name. He got the win and he got the Malky trainer Cannella train that. Stands. Stop It. Stop the ice fallen behind on the business side man as far as him like being lucrative fighter in. Bringing the lucrative can't like know you telling me I'm fighting Randy Reed's okay. You bring into Mexican whole Mexican nation. Bring the Eddie Ray nozoe gotten that'll camp. You talked about how good of an idea that was just because of that, so I was like. Yeah, again he gets out. Started I. Don't know how to even put it. He gets out glamour. You know he's just not and who was the last guy dealing away anyhow Mario. Maurice! A man that he left us with that. kind of thought in our mind because of the performance I mean we get you, Bro, you know what I'm saying. Happen things happen outside of camp that affected. Do we saw that in my boy theo female? Shout the him when he fought. Man from Japan. I forget his name, too, but a lot of people. Were you know kind of thousand him? After that that fight and it is what it is is what you doing for me lately. and. I, it's hard to make A. Hard to make a rally for them against these other guys. You. Know as much as we want. The him to have his opportunity and hardcore is you know and and the people really feel like the heart of the sport like iota man been working, you know. He got into early in the stages. Aj and he's always been the type of guy that'll fight even though we. Can Be called a little dodgy wild there, my my correct in that you know. He was offered a certain amount, the five wilder and he skipped on their fight. Who So? Well! No, he was offered eliminators to get to wilder. Okay and it was Luis Ortiz that he avoid so. You know. You can't ask baby. That's what they met when they said it's a niche sport. You know it's an each fight it has. It's own niche. You know what I'm saying dealing white is not fitting that niche right there real quick. I'm. Faded out. I thought you understood the message. Sound was fading out by dead, but it Kinda did which I. You know no, no, because the messages to notify you so then I'm next after you're done with an announcement, which is anybody just tuning in? Do Remember or now you're being made aware that we are going to be doing a live chat for today's espn fight now as anyone figured out of his own, plus or is it because he ain't Chicago, so ESPN regular. Because it still can be streamed on the APP Right, oh. Yeah, absolutely congratulations to Jesse Magdaleno. I wasn't sure if they was gonNA put him on. ESPN, on Television, you know what I guess. I guess the only thing that Jesse's compete with nowadays is no other sports so I. Guess you get that one by default. But I feel you for. I understand why you felt that way. Yeah, so just over minder. We will be doing a live chat for that would just going to keep this? Going all the way through, so if you want to watch the fights with us, you can I'm going to go back to the audio couple. Seconds only left on Bob Ramona's hand. All the organizations have to get together. And get things rolling on the highest level. And then we'll worry about these cockamamie mandate. Okay, says interesting arm said. So they go that, was it? Over. Here. They WANNA get together in the highest level and that's. Talking about the baht and summit, sit down, see get together on the highest. Summit on higher is level to put the mind get together. They get together at the summit to put the together to get the highest level fights. Heizo, five and white doesn't fit in that niche moment. I mean he gotTA. Do Sign I'm. Shaw bought like I as if Tyson wins, I'm sure Bob will be like all right Eddie. We gotTa Take Care of mandatory. Let's put dealing Wi- on ESPN then lead them up and I'll give you an example Richard Komai. That was Lou Dibella fighter. Right right. Bob wanted to do business with them. They wanted to get female that title shot. They restart the Lunar Bella. What did they do? They sign a CO promotional deal with Richard Komai Lou Dibella gave him a three fight deal. He got that one own ESPN so everybody could see him. Hey, look at me I'M GONNA chair mother? Knock out my opponent. And then it was that next one. Hey, Tom, to fight our guy. You're our guy to watch you for a reason. It's up to him to make his name because he could have doubts female and upset the apple cart but. Bob Arum, and top rank, and the matchmakers to be, they had a plan would see a female and gambled on him, and they will right you know, but that's no different than what happened for dillion. It doesn't have to be a CO promotion, but just the simple fact that they're going to give you a check. On U S television. In us, FIGHT In a fight that you know you're GONNA win. You're meant to look good to the US audience before fighting. Tyson fury like that is the whole goal. You actually get a check for that, so he might not be mad. He might not still be no I want my manager because it's like I wait you say you're not GonNa put me on the undercard of Terence. Crawford before the television starts, and no one. Is there actually going to have me where people can see me, and then you're going to? The commentators are going to be saying Oh this guy. He's GonNa. He's the mandatory. He's GonNa. Find your like that's called the buildup, so he's got to understand that. You don't have to go that way you know, but this is also what can happen. You know he's the mandatory. I'm pretty sure. Bob Arum and Eddie hearn kin. Not come to terms, and then they gotta go to purse bid. Back, then shown ESPN gotta bid over who gets the rights? To promote the fight isn't going to be match, or is it going to be top rank? So then they go to purse bid and they got bid, and if top bring wins, they get to do what they wanted. Anyway and top ring loses. Tyson fury get sixty percent of that bid, so top ring wins anyway, so you get it if they're outbid? And Fury Somehow has to go to zone which will never happen? But they still win in the sense, because fury gets the bulk of the perse. Breakdown in the half right there, but. I WANNA go to. Nano Real Quick I. Just want to say two things I'll make this, and that's it first of all real quick shameless plug. Well you know what before the shameless plug in actual plug, please hit the notifications. Please hit the subscribe if you haven't already and please hit the thumbs up in the likes that is going to determine whether or not we hit y'all with every single one of the Lai fight chats that we could hit you with in this top diet stable that we got our car events that we got coming up and real quick I just WanNa one just. Reiterate. What I said go to the boxing voices rankings. This is so much ease. I'm like so mad at myself. That I didn't see this. Never told me about. I mean. That's that's crazy. Is the ranking system I used my whole entire boxing west. is crazy is crazy cash because it's the only one that I use in literally screen shit, so every time I'm sure rankings. I tell people I'm on about dot. com rankings shout to Ben. WHO's our designer? Who handles not only the podcast being on the boxers dot com every single day. But keeping the updated rankings I mean up. That's great job. Great job the off the best. Probably. Do you know how many sites I go to? You don't even know what you just how many tabs that have. You ablyazov. Tell, you, let me tell you. Let me tell you another key. Let me give you another another piece of evidence a long time ago. I even talked about and did a poll. Because now we got the ring. I was banking and campaigning for the I b. o I wanted the idea of the. ended. The designer told me no. He doesn't respect the I B O. He was like hell. No, and I kept begging begging begging Ben. Come on man for me is my sight. He's like no more work from me. And those rankings are irrelevant and he's here's what I'll do. If you do. In and your listeners one, it will do Bra Shit on the poll. Way. To get the O, but then I looked the other Dan was like. Bring up Dan I'm like Yo. You Demand Champ Chan Britain this went up LV slugger. Why is going to get his title shot next year? Don't even trip while the we'll have to fight. Why after he beats fury, because Aj will duck Hashtag do time. Yeah! I wouldn't mind. Honestly we got white. Wilder. Let's say wilder does win. I wouldn't really mind all that much. If we got white instead of Joshua right away like if you're in Joshua's still went ahead and fought. But we were, gonNA. BE UPSET IF. We didn't get dillion. White. I'll just put it that way. He's got to be in the mix now. I think like I hear everybody and I and I understand that he's Kinda done this to himself, but I feel like from from a Fan's perspective of. Who I think could be competitive in fights. I think dealing white belongs in that in that in the in the in the three kings, discussion of the heavyweight I think it should be four kings, we should. We should let him in. How are you a king when you already lost? If while does not a king, neither is dealing why that being said, let's transition into the second topic. which is Keller plant. Issuing a you know I own division to Canelo, Alvarez and basically saying that he is the one in control of one hundred and sixty eight in not canal, and to be honest, you know he does have a argument. He has the legitimate title and you know. He faced the legitimate champion. dethrone them. Canal only faced rocky fielding. And you know. He went up to seventy five, so yeah, you get credit at seventy five sixty eight. Yeah I think plan is in control. Plant is ready for Ben. Evita's and Samson Luek Vista Promoter Vitas obviously came out, and said they not ready so plant once all the smoke you know everyone else is like waiting for other fights like Cannella plant, ready to fight the alums, or whoever wanted you know? I guess I can't say that because can offer the march late. Notice offer and he didn't take it, so that's going to be somebody's weird argument, but it's like I said Short. Notice off I. Take It. A real quick. Let me open up nine different tabs so I can check the rankings at super middleweight. Oh, I don't got to know more. Go ahead cash. Yeah, now. I was saying you know Caleb is a little upset at Oscar de la Hoya. Because OSCO was saying. This is a one time in a lifetime opportunity. If you turn it down, that's it ain't no fight and Caleb is saying. Sir Camello picks the fighter, not you. This is true. That is where we with that man. You're right. You're right. That's a good way to ask. Your word in sometimes they. These tactics not pop. Put that pressure on you like come back around the say, no boomerang. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no of course that that's. That's I can't Catholic and then number one number two. Caleb didn't want the fight immediately off his fight. He didn't WANNA turn right around because he thought it was too much on his body. He wants to be a one hundred percent prepared. So why get a washed up? Kayla plan. Get a fresh caleb plan. You know you don't jump on short notice and train short and show up and say man. My training wasn't as good as it's supposed to have been, so I understand the plants. Discipline Imagining Mike like. Hey, listen I got this three. A venture that could possibly show for wishing than was up. You you going to be like Damn Good Scott. Turn his down. You know my just GonNa. Turn this down and we'll see that opportunity. Come again. It took a lot of discipline to say no man telling you because a lot of the times. It's like Yo. It's like PAC ya fight any of these welterweight right now. Get a whiff of like a possible. Pack your fight. They're jumping on it right. Like Andy Ruis, he took the AJ fight short notice quick turnaround exactly. He's looking for. That wasn't a world champion. You know what I'm saying so that's the difference Kayla. Plan is a world champion, so he's I go respect me like a champion on come at me like I'm some. Do just ready to jump on any big fight. Could be means. Ending on that position and I know we had his trainer on here. I forget. My Man's name cooled dude man. Smack myself in here for that one. But, he was a cool dude. He was on the show. You Know He. He told us a lot of good things about Caleb. In how how they you know, they face that situation. And they decided to take the intelligent brow, and do what was best for for calebs career even presented so much money. Yeah listen, I I wanted to come on here and really talk about the fact that You know killed Kayla. Plan is wrong can also owns any division he he wants to. He can control any division that he wants to whatever division he's in whatever division. He decided to take a fight that belongs to him, but I mean it's hard after what happened with these last negotiations and we got to understand to. All pre see nineteen. You know what I'm saying. It wasn't like the struggled to find canals. Next opponent was based on the fact that so many uncertainties were out there. No, this was all before. We knew that boxing was gonNA shut down, and still can always having a hard time. Ghetto know getting one of these young calves to slaughter I. Guess is the way you could kind of metaphorically look at it, but. I think that ultimately Kayla has somewhat of a point I mean. You can't say that. You control the division when you can't really. Manifest any fight you want, but at the same time when you're canola when you still or having struggles to get people to accept certain terms or You Know A. Take off their paths and get them earlier I. It's just it's hard to make that point for canola as well so it's. It's a tough. It's a tough way to look things, but ultimately I mean that Billy Joe Saunders fight made the most sense to me right away. You know billy his. BGS has been in there for a long time. saunders is has been doing this. He just seemed like the best opponent Kayla Planet Kuwait. And now it's like we don't even know where we're going with Mario Mario Kinda can agree, but I have to disagree one hundred percent. What you because middleweight? A fighter jumps into the super middleweight. Division champions and you have to pick from the champions. Billy Joel Sandra is a champion Caitlyn Smith champion. Caleb. Plant is a champion. I meant columns Kayla Kalem. How do you pronounce any Kalem Colin Thought? That's what you said Kalem Smith. Play Caleb. Novel Kayla. Champion Kayla plant champion. vitas is a champion. You have to pick from one of them. You can't just I mean he wanted Billy Joe Saunders so? YEA, if that's not happening, why not jump on plant? Around the time ample amount of time to train no stipulations, you know, we want sixty eight. That's the thing you know, and that's why I think the confidence comes from Caleb he he knows that at that weight division. He's the man you know I. Don't think Cannella has entered the one sixty eight division and. That's something new, territories right so. He's GonNa Rightfully. Say that he's demand. You know he's in. You know. There's a lot of Connecticut fans out there. They're going to say another wherever he goes, he's demand. You know what I'm saying. It's funny, you said. Somebody said that he can go anywhere in your mom's house and he's. Not at all, maybe his MOM's house. That's how he feels. There's a his sentiments. I mean the truffes. where he! Does. He controls you know, but I mean he pick. He can pick. No, he controls. He throws. He says he's going to want sixty eight, but I WANNA fight. You want sixty four. No, no, about by control is. Every he go- he to. And he doing to dictate, even if he fights playing, even if plant. Even, if we all think, is that dude at sixty eight. then. Kennel offers him the fight, and he's the B. side to Cannella like he does control. I agree with that. He would be to be Senate entertained. Implant gotta be careful how he talks to Cannella because you don't want to end up in a situation where he takes you out of the equation, and he goes to Ben Evita's who would be all out Mexican affair on any Mexican holiday whether that be single, the module or in September first dependence day because rocking the dudes will destroy a stadium together right, but I think he was more acknowledging Aska Delahoya for telling him look, this is a one. To one time life, it's a once in a lifetime or for you missed out on your life. Offer the biggest fatty own career. You just passed on it. You know I know I. Ain't Passau obviously pass on because this the second off announce to to. To plant. They tried to send plan short. Notice, offer right, and now they send him another. Another offer right so he's saying come correct. And this crazy because you know when they really want you. They'RE GONNA keep. They're gonNA. Keep sending offers, and that's maybe this is really really. The next fight meant to offers already sent you turn down one I'm still sending your offers. Get us, and let's face it. Caleb plan is not a high priced fighter. You know what I'm saying, so. It is awful. Cove it a good deal you know for the fight fans to see K plan whatever he gets paid, too, can you? Go to. The perse computer. To See if we can find out what exactly? His numbers were the last fight he may not. We don't like seven hundred. But we saw. But they offered Billie Joe. A An N. N. it's been on record that they are now looking to offer canals opponent by about half of that so I. Don't know if they disrespected way and try to offer him. The four 'cause I was thinking. The four was going to be for guys like William Monroe. Games. Because they was trying to save money, but if you're trying to come at plant, WHO's a chance? In less time than Billie Joe. Billie Joe gets a little more money because he's a two time. Champ accolades matter so I would say they offered Charles Seven. Right so it's gotta be anywhere between seven and eight for plant. Right right. Seventy gone. That's a high price fight tag for no audience Friday you think I mean for no audience affair. GYSI DB with the supercharged says Gee for ringing car dealer to laugh out loud emojis. Young guys catch a y'all. Williamson's then I hope he don't disappear. Shut out the Wilson Wilson was. Average. Sat Out Wilson to Gunston. Lou. and. Fooling! Alexander's probably like Danny copy I'm lost. Shit with. No pay down. Don't bring back up. I want them to still listen to. He. He's his his a super chats. OUR GOTTA sign no papers watching Mom Matt, Hunter. weatherspoon whether spoon. I cannot believe. All right if we're going to make the rule right now that we can't ever talk about what happened again. I think we should at least have like thirty seconds where we could say something right now. What are we talking about here? What is going on talking about the Super Chat and Oh, I mean. I just I just don't want Wilson get. You're right. Yeah popular right now. Was a popular. Is. That was that was podcast. History I listen to a lot of podcast has never happened on. Yeah, I've heard stuff like that like on with. What's my man with Dr, drew? Oh Corolla. Like that like that, Agricola I forgot his. August back in the day when he used to be with a with the girl Dr Dr Judy or somebody and was just the own thing. Down Stephen Today. She that show that was but anyway. We. took the car off the rules there. Let me. See this super chair from the troll of the Ashley Williams Twenty Twenty one year of the mandatory, undisputed, twenty, twenty, two I've never seen my man super chat. He be an every comedy is a like he do not like wilder. No liking for awhile. Not Seeing that super chats weird. That's all that's all I'm scrolling old. When all screwed. That's Ashley Williams shot out to ask for the Super Chat. Slowly coming out of the troll category. I guess. We got one minute until the fights officially. I why? Is that a second? Let me let me go to the page Would you say Mario? I said we officially got a minute until the fight is. Hard and I'm watching it right now. There's nothing there showing bulls, because it's still nine live at seven. Oh, absolutely they'll! They'll milk to the to the very end to. The Super Chat. No Calvin says. Wow does best chance is to. Let me. See Him on the wrong show. No this is it right? Yeah, he says while does best chances to step aside and hope to. Oh. I read this already. While this best chances to step aside and hope that Aj fury he's got a much better chance of beating Aj then it's for all the belts all right, so we got everybody. I got to Louisville slugger right. I think so yeah. We had one from Him Long was a long time ago. Yeah, we can't even move to the next subject now because the next subject is actually the fight and I'm saying next subject is on air as we speak welcome to fabulous, Las Vegas the bubble the bubble. Visual over hands. Are we there you see seen the left hand? Right? Did that will be showing some leader lights from last I think Mario's about five seconds ahead, and it oposite the whole the whole How how? How Yeah? And this being you'll be on the same page cash. I'm saying this shit never like straight to it like. Is it tells you I will a super chap from the incredible. NO SMOKE MARIO IS DEAD is A. I think a ghost on. Oh! ON MARIO LATE WASIF NOBODY SAYS NO SMOKE MARIO IS A dead man. Walking has oh big. Monkey. Bars. Boxing bars is a dead man walking. That was clever. That was clarity. CRAYONS. Are you going to? Call it clever when he misspelt a super chat. How you put Vicks Baas. In Bars! So why is it that I think the stream has already yet from now? But why is it that I can't even find it I find a way in, but I don't find the actual fight. Just photo PA first of all. The Vision First Of all before You Start Surfing, mute the TV and then is grab your remote and say xfinity. I. Mean Spn doing on my laptop, so then go to ESPN IMPRESS WATCH ESPN. Met and they don't and I got a whole. List. Spell. That my founded boom boom boom mines is literally not let me go in, and says I click on US says wholesaler that I saw versus milk speedy start to others. No, but that's the wrong fight we know. That's next one while. Mine's mine on Las Vegas Nevada. Mob Acid. Little plus blush cheeks right there. He heard that boom. Boom, he gonNA. Let it ride all the way, so it can be like and. No. Cut that can use it for me. You're right on top rank loved ESPN stream this showing us the fight card and we got Joe Tested tour in the studio boxing. Thank you, thank you back. Your Bad Tuesday man shot out the doctor phone. Go in Long Island. shout-out to sit in Florida. DB X. Individual K. Big In. The UK would up seven four insulin ovo. Shot by rocking out talking boxing with de lack. What up! What up? Intrigued the incredible would. Only. Get a couple of days left to talk to you. Man after Saturday you know? It's going to be one of those moments where by Porn Isla Liquor. Tree. Jumped out there man jumped out. I'm actually taking best man. Andre War back office changed the tie up. Okay, what? Overheating Changed Nine and office. He Inglis and our telecast on Tuesday, but I mean we. We definitely gave him a lot of praise for his office. Let's see if Tim Bradley Changed Anything. Wow, I still can't get in what well say. Oh it says Jesse. McDonald, versus the NFL been sent this to APM that I. Press Okay, and just doesn't let me in. It doesn't let me. Are you on your phone? Yeah, close the at all. No restart the farming because everybody's in I, let me just restart man that sucks. Right now we are getting Joe. Tour Timothy Bradley. Former multiple division champion in his. He did chase. Go. You know he saw he still, would often he. Put the glove he a couple of gloves now one in the case hanging on the war, yeah our voice as powerful man. Isn't. I see Andre Ward on my screen and he's just talking about how excited he is about tonight. Remember you are in charge of listening to the audio. We do not have audio, so you are. That's your thing you'd I order you like. Are you like Remai- ringside and wreak as so because you like Yo i? said a new combat, and you report the US like go. What said you know? Real quick. We got a super chat from DB. says. Let's go. I'm ready. The Sent Day Kate Oh. Wow. Know. He really think Sunday going. Magdalena Magdaleno did show like a little bit of. Soft message? So Timothy Bradley said Jesse Magda. Nello is so hungry. The man went Vegan and he's excited for that because Jesse. MAGNETO is a Vegan and fight in the second as of Ian. Got Another. This is the last week no smoke will be employed by TV I'm about to do him bad mad emotionally in front of everyone. That was a super from intrigue the incredible. That's Mario's response intrigue. He's not here to give it, but I am his agent. You know. Right now I got Bernardo Soon I really love this bubble. They're not going to change. And you know why, because all they need the changes. The monitors and they do that via computers. So this is perfect. I love the fake fireworks right now. Behind soon as just dropping, getting picture blue knows right now. Nice new shirts from balloon, also, IF ANYBODY WANNA pick those up. Maybe check out his instagram because it looks like he's got some definitely some new apparel for tonight. He's trying on some new grant gloves brand new bloody damn should've. got. On the on the on the screen right now, you got sit. We'll sink. We'll sync up once. We get a time clock into the rights. And then we'll. We'll sink Mario's back. Let me bring him in Murray. I don't know if you witnessed the super chat that was. From intrigue, but he said that. Nest. This is the last week. No smoke Mari will be employed by TV. I'm about to do him. And then he put an Emoji of cursing so I. Don't know I. Guess about the Doing Ethin-! Bat. Of. What I what I interpret that asks fears I'm a be him so bad that he thinks I'm GonNa get so many offers from like I, Dunno DEF Jam, interscope aren't even know if they're still he's. He's saying that like I'm be him so bad and I'm GonNa make a name off him that he thinks that I'm going to go to the rap career, but don't worry I. got you. I ain't gonNA. I AIN'T GONNA sign with nobody. I'm not I'm going to stay unsigned height. You know what I mean, so. Oh, don't worry. Don't worry I. Got Egypt this weekend I'm GonNa have to bring the pain plots Oma. So, am I. I, K. Famine. I gotta bring this pain across the pond. May You boy? Just gotTa get. GotTa get would say. Would say you already know these clothes promotions Adam. Lopez given a one on one. Hopefully we have our ringside with Enrica paying attention to what is Lopez telling you know the world because he did suffer that loss to Oscar Valdez last time we see them, but he definitely fought very valiantly earnt. I will respect without a doubt so I'm interested in the scene. The return of Adam Lopez in the. The featherweight division this is a ten round fight for those that don't know I I've never heard of his a you know his opponent Lewis Korea, but you know this is meant to be sooner, I'm sure because I'm checking. Backtrack and Adam has not fought since November of last year. So that was asked about his right I was asked about that, so this is coming at a much needed time for. Blue Nose, but keep in mind that he's trained by the hall of fame, world, renowned trainer and friend of the show buddy, mcgirt also former champion. I believe I'm wrong about that because I know that I know that John David Jackson was definitely a champ I. Don't know if Buddy was but I'm sure he was right like I'm almost positive. Buddy. mcgirt was a channel like I'm willing to drop the ball. Joe But you've got that ESP FOR ESPN because buddy. mcgirt was on while you were talking about him. Man They showed the replay. Vow. Couple left and rights right dish sheesh. I hate stoppages like that man. You know I, understand them because you know obviously wearing the and we see the the dangers, but yeah you know I hate those type stoppages right like immediately. You've seen Adam Lopez expressing my yo, what you're doing type you know. So, what do you hope to see from Adam Lopez time out? I mean I would just like to see I would like to see him. Pick away left off without Dez where we're where he was. You know winning in control and apply that to Lewis or Louis and get him out of their. You Know Louis is twelve and two and seven Cao's. Lopez is thirteen ensuing six CAO's so they're evenly matched except that. We Know Adam and he lost to champion. We don't know who Lewis. We don't know who lost to you know they're saying Louis on top rank, but they're showing Lewisham box wreck, so there's your confusion if you hear me going back and forth. But but Adam Mishal. He's five eight remember. That's almost a welterweight weight. I believe Bradley was five. So you know Valdez on the other hand is only five five and a half in a so you know. Adam. Let's see like I said I. Want Him to look as good as you look the last time I want him to capitalize similar to like the guy I like to bring up when losing and capitalization I like to bring up a guy like What's his name? Always bring them out. No all right his name. Verba about the determine. Be Bro from Argentina what's his name Oh. Travel has. Also Diego, look real good in that and fight you know. But he ended up. Getting knocked out, so I was excited to see him. Come back in that. Brandon reels Fi. But then you know that ended up being him and reveals going hard to the body in hitting each other low. Disqualification then they brought him back again, and he got into rough, tough fight with Bradley and headbutted. Bradley and Bradley had a Hematoma so. You know, but from from the Thurman Loss. And even to the signing of Rio's I was all lynn until he got in the ring wheels, and they both was clowning, but diego laws very valiantly to. Thurman and it made me want to see more obviously that being said, let me get to the super chat right here from. Intrigue the incredible. The says I got a new home for no smoke Mario come Saturday and it will stay with him forever. Hashtag epic on always a new name I'm home. All right well, you know. What I mean responded that already I'm already up one round because I'm the only one that been spitting. So this is like you know a basketball game when you play and they're like am a spot. You five I'm already up like eleven so. He done bro done. Your have the Atom Lopez up on the screen. I think the ring walks about to begin. So. Really I got a commercial. Is showing images on the led. Highlights. And a real quick when they had the one on one with Oscar I mean I'm sorry with Adam. Lopez he was speaking about his father Hector Lopez, who was also fighter and his death when he was twelve years ago and how it crush them, and he also met ask Vow Dez through his dad, and was like damn. This kid's going to be a champ one day and ask avowed the. He told them that and ask about this. Then you won't be a champ one day, and they actually met each other in the ring as fighters and he took it out. Facing ask about the blue knows that is on the he come on this show before I thought. He came on and those Yeah Balloon Ozawa's. Yeah now we have, we knows yeah. We have balloons after the loss for sure. Right. I would actually go real real. 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Super Young Looking, but he don't look like he's hit a lose. He's got a pretty Nice of ring outfit I know people are to be. WHO's this guy? He don't know nothing about boxing talking about the ring for as if that's. Has any indication. As. But it does man you know. You can only fight how you feel. And if ain't feeling good and looking good, you ain't gonna be fighting the man. John minutes like they in man. Look good in your outfit man. You Ain't going to be saying the right things bus speaking of looking good I am like in blue noses. What we call that is that a robe? Do we call it? The rope rope I like I like the hooded robe in no. I'm I mean I'm not really getting the whole top rank on the back champ. He should've put. Weird right, he should've seen because he grow you on his back. Instead of putting the blue nose logo he put the top ranked logo like I. Hope they pay for that Champi. I know that's so weird. Like usually you sell that to you know possibly monitors or son's like you're wrapping your own promotional. They should have maybe. Everywhere maybe. Maybe, but still like that's their job to hype him. It's not his job to hype them up. Absolutely they already got a huge top rank logo everywhere as I'm. Now now. Are you guys in the ring because I need to pull the rate, I'm the ring blow in the Ring Bela's in between Refereed got a mass though I ain't understand that. Everybody got Mas- but him what. What maybe we can. Look. At Robert Robert. Mitsubishi South Coast Meet should be sponsors Robert so well, bro so much. They've. From for for years, but look at his. His covert mass is his Robert. Garcia Boxing Academy logo. It looks pretty. Looks Pretty Dull. Oh, let me see. Do you need me to pause as everyone watching? Around three Kales in the last five fights. Scream. Fighters are still rolled up robed up, so we gotTA. We gotTA PAUSE? We'll. We'll wait till it starts at times. Right now we got trainers and everybody in the middle of the ring. Look how young he looks Bro. Look so young, actually Louis looks like he's hit a fight I. Promise you. I'm getting this weird feeling. He's here to fight broke. Look at his staredown. Holy Shit. We're GONNA. Pause for cash cash where you at. Lopez looking in a corner. He's about these de Robe. Doing the strobe lights in the club? They. Start for you either. Let us start. Let's start, so we could get a Clark so. We're at two fifty, four, fifty, three, fifty two Hola Hola Hola Day about getting arena their fake polls right now. I'm going. Stop that at two forty five damage. I gotTa meet up with Jew now. I'm going to forty five. Okay. Okay forty five is where on that I do. Two fifty I have. I have on. This. In the in the corner I still I. Still don't got them all. Sites. Four forty five to forty, five, forty, five to forty, five Sane Tom's on it like i. don't see where. It'll come. Around cloud around. The clock. Twenty nine the thing literally don't know posit. Posit okay. I was jumping again. As. We'll watch this play. Play exclaiming, we'll. We'll be in the same spot. Play. Looking you like I said it looks like Louis is the Oh big right hand by Louis. WHO WE COME IN? I'll. Oh, my God hockey pumped Oh. They might stop this. Oh, my God Luisa. Old Louis landing. Aftershock next shot. He is in control. Of the body blocks. Oh. This is the body. Notice a bomb Burnham. Louis. Adam. Let's go marching. Look what I'm watching. We can't see that. We see you. s came on ESPN sign. This is very frustrating is hooking off to the body. Adam Exchange Body. Louis Metal. Box The fight body south by Louis on that. On the. Adam gotta get his head for modern ECO data. Readjustment s where you at I'm at one, thirty, six, thirty, five, thirty four. First! Round? At. He can offer Oh looks good. Cuts Galore is am. Game by Louis Oh. Louis Oh. Jerem yeah we all over the place man. Your man I meant. I had paused, and when I on pause a jump into the fight. Causing and Using at Oh. Good Jabali Y'all. Got So much sting on Jab blue nose neck is peasant-backed. Man Oh body shot. Damn, your body, know where he's gotTa. Take some gas out this kid. This kid is two months. He's like a bustle. I want to see him again now. Adam Oh Adam Khadem. Sizes of low from Adam themselves looking low from Adam. was. Hired because he. led. Another level by Adam, old. Who is Louie. Known what? Louis. Louis is a bee's Bro. Look at those. Those rates. Tied to stay on. His nose and not even flaring like my men's not even tired I mean I know it's the first round, but Jean first round. They throwing a lot of punches. Louis again. nother right hand ended around so I'm not far behind. You cashed amphibious around for me Kim Man. We gotTA TRY SYNC up for the second round man. I can't. Stop jumps right into only the. No, you don't even know. If is going do that again. You don't even know. Just catch up so I. Don't need to Stop I. Just need you guys to perse play. Whenever my around just ended, they just started walking to the corner to Gotcha got she brought. This is a good fight right now. Very action packed our area. Is High and they're on the inside. We're all the action. Happened I was not expecting this, but the minute that kid walk in the ring I'm glad this is recorded, said it. Was Up, and he looked like he came to fight. My man got so much dog in them. Around to about the beginning and they go, that's for people to say. You can't read body language and Nesting your body language expert blue. And Blue Noses in Fact Jab Jab. Not Going nobody's GonNa Pause I'm. Mario was up. Nobody loss up. uh-huh! Yeah, number, my pause with number applause I'm at two forty seven on round two. At two, forty, seven, seventeen. Pauses shops. Seven now. I'll let you guys know when I'm at two forty seven. They just started now, so the scouts down from like two fifty. Play the ship. Knockout. Let me, let me know the forty, nine, forty, eight, forty, seven, forty six. Hit Oh. Louie, go back to the corner. yomas started at two seventy, who he looks really strong very. Cash, it's going to keep doing that to you. Embody shots Oh league. Right Hand Louis again. Everything is to the body now. Adam goes on top lands a like Louis though. From frigging Adam though. Adam just doesn't look like he's he's doesn't look. For this fight he does. He does not look like he's strong. Louise. Laugh Hook to the body that an uppercut is nice man. He goes to the uppercut some with the same hand. He keeps catching Lopez Lopez digging up the middle with the show up. Is it some gas out of Louis? Tank. It is Louise's land in a lot on the head, but Lopez is landing a lot of body shot, so they're both getting hair, but I don't i. don't see those those Lopez body size door much damage like the way Andy now. The way to Louis is stolen. Look at them and he keeps walking Lopez back pushing. Lopez Muscle and shout out to Louis. Who got my Amex to? Those are banging gloves? For those that don't know. He's from May. Go to. He came in with all. He got the Mexican outfit on. So you know, hold a punch Louis that is behold the punch and throw a punch. ooh, Oh shit. He's catching into the hill. Has Lopez's to pretty you know he needs space? He's like yeah. He needs space. Through I. Don't WanNa be on the inside and he don't want to be on the inside. Look. He needs space. Oh, you're right and Louis does not give a damn. No, his baby face. Oh my God. I Lopez y'all. In the head, still coming forward, it's it's. Yes Lopez! Let's go. Lopez, with a three point combination to of over jobs, but it still he pumped his. Oh, I saw it. I'm forty seconds and so. All right, so there's no mystery. This is a high action high volume. I wonder if because if there's no audience fit like Lopez growing not grant gloves, call eight, hundred, dollars ladies and gentlemen being being too is over and got twenty seconds nineteen, eighteen seventeen fifteen seconds on my round clock whole rounds. You have to round two. Oh good left, hook on the end side by Lopez. They're ripping each other till the last second so he. That's great. This is what. About, the lighter weight glasses man you get the high action. High volume punches in this like bay cats themselves so many times, and if you knew you were watching a wait, a heavyweight match that that would have been in a long time ago, but these guys can hit. In constantly, get hit. You know less likely to knock out. Let's you're like. In in a way or Upper, no, you know, we know He. Commercial? Free Delivery Papa Commercial. You know they got the boost on wheels right now were were and round. Three has begun. You can't pause dogs. I got commercial right now breath. Pausing delete it. Off! You can't go back. Why can't you go back? Scrub. Go to TV. Bro, are you making this difficult you only in the League you laptop, go to your TV. Arrived Brownies starting now. Boom. It's just. Me and do me soon. Sync up Lopez better footwork now. Maybe the side of the box. Maybe Buddy. mcgirt is to change the plan because he's really moving. Check it out. He's moving better. Check up coaching, a fighter and I want I want to tire out. The other guys legs I know we've been working hard on our lakes I'm GonNa. Tell you start using the outside of the ring more than the Senate. You get you gotta start second guessing that attack. Get them off balance, and you're not gonNA. Do it too much work in because this Guy Lewis lunging in now now Lopez. Just ask the counter from that outside. Stay on the outside. And again you use that outside of the ring. He's GonNa have to. Turn it up and try to cut him off. He's going to have to work harder. To use his legs a lot more and he's GonNa fall into counters now. If Adam Lopez plays this right, he could do a lot better because Louis is a boss in the. Better because I think. I got Lopez losing the first two rounds. Definitely losing the first one. That second one was a pretty close around. The same fight, but if you're watching us on Youtube, dumping forget to hit that thumbs up on as helps with the visibility show lets other people know that this is a safe haven coming. Talk some boxing, plus you can call in and voice your opinion by calling one to five, five, six, nine, fifty to forty, one or adding Nestor Gibbs on skype. Another thing that could be man, he could've walked back to that corner, and probably buddy like madam winded. You know and but it could probably told us the outside of the ring you know in. Don't throw so many shots on the him. Throw more shots. Spend some energy because Louise in shape. Look at them right, but he. I don't know man. Don't you think that you spend more like if you're tired? Why move that that takes more energy? If usually when guys are tired, they stop moving and they just like you know up and throw bombs every now and again, because then you're tired. You're not incorrect saying that either it just it's just a matter of if your shoulders. The tired of your legs attire, so you can go the way. He might have thrown, too. Many shots and needs are tired, so his legs still good. He'll do that, but it could go the way that you explain to. Shots again in riot allure around three thirty seven seconds left on the clock, thirty, five, four, three, two, one, Brown, three ESPN top rank Adam Lopez knows versus Louis come out of nowhere really McGinnis a very entertaining fight, but I won't Fry Adam having more success, but Louis still looks like the snappier fresher, harder fighter, but Adam having more success with this game plan in round three. He's Louis before never. Come out of nowhere Louis wits. There's only one opponent recognized on his resume and is a guy that I barely even know who he is. A commercial break. Did you guys go into that yeah yeah. Broke any got three losses already fighting this Har- like that low he lost to. Thomas Valdez never heard of him, and he loves to Percy Peterson never heard of him. Real quick. Says Lopez Pop the JAB now hidden move champ. Yeah, that's that's exactly it man. Big Homie coup I know round four started we also that the all the hosts could be sinked up championship. You could be sync with us. We'll let you in round four. Yes. He catches ahead of us. By like maybe ten seconds, something like that causes tune why he? Why can't you stop your started? For me I got laughter loved commercial with Mill Yeah me, too, I got. We got back on. The go set. You guys. One of the same spots, good so good Louis. Come on, you gotta cut this distance now. Jab by Lopez Forum str- another one. Oh! Ho. All pitted out so well. It was a beautiful pivot. Wow, okay, got his. He got his little second win. Oh. He pivoted lobby. Come on, Chevy. Want to throw that right hand when you pivot like that. Make account so what you're going to start. Out By Louis. To the body. Your Damn could double Jabbai Adam. This is a fricken, really good fine, which seemed right now you start. You'RE GONNA start seeing at a move more bought Jab Adam. Lou during this Alito. Louis is missing a lot this round. He's getting sloppy. And Adam more AMI hired those or less willing to keep this fighter Adam looking very morag lot more accurate. I'm telling you in my opinion. Saving those show, there's man making the guy frustrated. The Guy Fights on the size Mexican style all the way. Adam had to make that adjustment. You're not going to beat the Mexican style. You know unless you've been doing it all your life and that's all you know looks like. This guy's been doing it for a long time because he's pretty good on the inside. Pivots Jab, Pivots Jab work. The Ring Place Punchier in there he's. Caught him with some big punches us. Spent with a right hand on the inside. Borough. I think we'll messing with. Your show why. CAN'T, from Adam! Why? To. Lopez beautiful right hand from Lopez said Lewis idea. would. Lewis still using the mental pressure and Well, you know. He just stepped in with a left up to jazz for Adam. Another third four beautiful left hand. You just saw that I'll just. Call do me good call. Eat Man I love 'em right for Adam. commentate like like like. Like. Bradley. Now, was my man on HBO flat. His name how Letterman. You the FUCHSIA. You into the future right then. Related make being Yo Lopez slipping punches using footwork every now and then there's step in right hand. I'm sorry. Jim Lampley I met Jim Lampley. Call you Lampedusa Paki our shots. Paki out with I. I'm on commercials right now. We Watch in Staten Island I said Domino's all day over. Beautiful Left and Madam? Dan, we all over the place. Domino's. It looks like the broadcast I got them out at is Dominos made me hungry to him hungry. I didn't need. Broad. Like divided up the commercials in the sponsors among the commercial time, they they could afford. Shit Yo, let me actually us. Louis could pull it off. Will be awesomely. Honestly spend fat around. Fight broke up. It's so far opposition we Louisa, frigging plus five hundred and twenty-five money line. Bro I. Do. It's still live action. You kidding right now. Oh, is it really? Kings. Married best for me and I'll. Put it this way. I'll put it this way. I have a little less belief in him than I did in that first round. The second round, no out of one allies, two rounds from me. I'm I'm afraid to bed on this kid now gysi. I'm I'm no longer underdog Al. you know I had to had to retire that I'm GonNa, tell you the honest fags Adam. Lopez made the adjustment. Yeah, he is. The started. We are in round five to say it. Absolutely. He made the adjustment and guess what I'm still seeing. We've Papas Asia Bro. Poverty allude fighting the same though getting frustrated. Reaching now he's starting to read. He reads last round, and that's what I said that if Adam starts to counter him. It's GonNa be murder, but I don't know Adam Adam has. Has To do a lot with his legs and Kinney keep. Up Is the question Oh and Louis Louis. The guy that we were kind of like you know Oh little giggles here and there because of the way he looked on his box wreck. We thought he was. He wasn't going to be much of a show up and look now. That's going on. Remember remember. Oh, I remember when I read. Faith. I said they're pretty evenly matched. Except the atom is for the better competition, know because they are. The records are very much the same. Lot. Louis Korea has a good record. The same record is Adam. The same, yes! Ko, one less Lewis. Yeah. I don't really worried right there. When he hit, he hit him. He hit Louis with the big right hand, and it didn't faze him and out of gave him. This look like Whoa. You. You didn't go down from that. I. Don't know the Adam could keep up this pace man. Think he can. But point little money. Those like I can't be in that type of money on on this kid Louis but y'all ten dollars makes you fixing. You know fifty fifty fifty dollars. You know if you WANNA bet ten on on Louis. Louis A, ten round fight, yeah! I, I don't know that Adam could keep up this pace ten rounds. I would advise puts him button Louis, but I didn't know I thought it was like a six round. Fight Bowe. Around this is. Adam doesn't look tired. I mean it's crazy. He looks night and day from the third round to this round. He's is night and day. Oh he just take a big breath. FRY did though I fight back, and he's doing a lot of moving and he's not. He's not fighting back as much so if this guy Louis could keep this pace throughout the whole fight, he can win lily's bleeding man Louis game. beat up. What were you at? Follow Up Yeah my sit. The any pizza hut just showed up. I'm in the fifth round. I could. They want you to be commercially just like interfered. I see like no break-up Kenny bayless. Pizza Hut. Bruno he made the adjustments. Bro, he made it. I think he's made the adjustment like Dumi, said any down. There were still fighting. Yeah, they went straight the pizza. Man said. They plan. Terrible right now. Oh, man, factor, boxer! Your that pizza do look good. They Plan Right I. Eaten I Hate Pizza. He's. It to you for this low good sees. I'M GONNA. Give it to you for this low, but I need the last three. Let me let me show Ya how how good! Let me tell you how good top rank is doing. Think about that. Two competing. Chan commercials in less than three commercials. Domino's a few seconds ago. Now it's pizza. Truly I really happens to. ME. That means that that means that a the advertisers know that be boxing brings a bunch of males who buy pizza. You know it ain't girls by as I mean. GIRLS DO EP. I'm not saying they don't but. The fight started again. I don't know Hustle Pizza Hut again they did. I'm back. We're slowly kind of thinking back. You're like oh! Look at all the grease. They put in poor Louise head. He looks like they changed his hairstyle. Now with all that grease. It looks crazy. You. From From the movie something about Mary. These replays. They're showing for Adam. That was a masterclass. But he's slowing down I'm telling you now are now? He's moving with his guard up because he's expecting shots. Look Oh. Jesus Louis is not slowing down knowing not, but he ain't, and he's not effective though six. He's also hit a lot in face. Yeah, he with Alpa cut a few seconds ago. That was nasty. Those trunks Louise got their dope. You see the Max license plates. That's cool. got. The Mexican flag logo on the damn. That's it. Yeah, yeah, I didn't if I didn't take me up on that ten dollars is over the line on Louis. Louis go get closed because my man Lopez. And he made the adjustments. And that's how you do it. Folks in this game of boxing. If you will one style one dimension Guy, you're gonNA find yourself in tough situations, you know, and nowadays the the young, no more than ever now man. Constant, constant, topping the old versus new, and guess what the new is just better better and better food better protein. Just you gotta be on your game. You can't just be a one style. One dimensional fighter. 'cause. You'RE GONNA. Find yourself in horror spots. UPPERCUT bill. On, the inside Lopez like okay I'm a slow down. 'cause I've been I've been on the back foot for a while. My legs is tired. It's time to throw some shots. But? It's just jab all day. Louis turned out over that right hand. Really Nice, and it's like Louie. It's like cash said earlier. Lewis is doing the same thing over and over, but what he does can take advantage of a fighter. That's making a mistake, so he's looking for out of to lose the fight for himself. Adam is trying to make the adjustments and win the fight for himself. I mean this also bad that Adam has a fighter that's doing the same thing over and over, and he can't counter it and put them away or something like that exact. Oh! Like a four piece Combo Adam. Put up the pressure, he. Oh, he stepped in a row. Jesse Magdaleno was a minus. One thousand time stamp is round. They lease round addicts. Round round six timestamps seventeen, fifteen, six, fourteen thirteen twelve seconds in the round clock about the end neutral corner. Sh Joe you gotta get. Oh. Is that a all right hand bend by really good right hands at the end. Wow, wow, Yoyo! He touched his eyes. Bro Swollen up Lopez. Guys take take take close notice to see if you see anything wrong with Lopez knows when you start getting hard shots to the nose stargate harder to breathe if that's fact right now, that could mess him up if he could last arrested of main. It? Be All right for him, but knows shopping. This jab is on the money right now. He should've broke. Louise knows by now the way these popping them with the job. I mean that's not just. Look at his head, Bro. It's like a Pez dispenser and the worst part is when your nose starts to swell like that right? The worst thing you can do is blow your nose. They always say that, but it feels the same as if you have more goals in your nose. that. You Got Marcos and you're about to blow them out like every other time you do it in the ring and your nose just starts gushing. You know what I'm saying, so you've got the mobile phase. Your eyes swell up. Yes, it gets puffy. COPAYS. Still Up Review. In the gyms, even as spar, initially, people know people know that when people that get punched in the face I guess on the Rick. But yeah, fight started again. Also they say and Louisa Robert Garcia fight. It s right. He came in with Robert. That's good, but it ain't help him right now. He's not. He's not laying hands. Go like he wasn't at first round. Frustrated he's getting, he's. Getting off balanced offset, and that's what the movement on the back foot does to a four fighter. If you could. If! You could pop that Jab Mu Pop that Jab. Jab by Louis Bro. He is, he is on the job. Let me tell you. Remind me of a taller. The white. What would you say? That's the punch of the fight. That's so yeah, definitely, definitely the punch he had. No. He reminds me of Antillean like a longer taller version obviously of Dylan like he just. You know he's coming forward and he's GonNa. Try to get what he can get. Louis really really. I gotTa give him credit man, he still throwing, still trying to figure things out, but it looks like he wasn't ready for it. I mean he jumps in with leaping step in jabbing and Lopez is like out of the way before he even like thinks about it. We got X. Swim Super. Says Lopez, Popping Jab now hit and move to I. Think you said that already right? Sticky boobs, Dick Movies hidden move. Okay, so You said I got him. T! Angle. Again okay, Louis. Angle. He took do me. Yeah. Pivots is pivot to the right to left beautiful seven round. timestamped one minute and five seconds four seconds three seconds two seconds one minute on the time clock round seven. Top rank ESPN, Lopez out of. Look Man Louis. Going at it is. It's three round so I'm GonNa give it to Adam? He's going to be able to last, but he gets any of lazy on the inside Lopez broke. The Louis got a good face because Adam. I was also. GonNa make Bro. That leff are looking bad. Right right I his right. Oh my God largely bulk is looks all man. Bro. Oh Louie is coming on now. I told my God. He landed the right hand. It had nothing on it. Back to. Louis back. This is the problem Adam faces staunton. Look like Burto verses fricking Robert Guerrero Oh go onto by Adam Oh. Did you see e? Yes, at low Lopez, PIVOT AL and Louis. In defense beautiful, that was a good bowl like watching a dance. On showing US game. Bro Why are they only showing US food every commercials food, and now they got Burger. King. Station broke gaming and food. This is ridiculous trying to feed me. Now sat out the gamers. What me thinking you're solid. What do they think it's GonNa work and we're just. GonNa go to fast food place and not watch the fight. They need to be given us other commercials right now. They're trying to send us away from the television. Go Buy Pizza. Go by Burger, King. I gotTa Order Pizza. They should be free promo because if you're watching a fight, live right now. Five dollars off. Now, it's like, Yo- job. That peace look good. We deliver you know what I'm saying. Hey I called up domino's liber. Domino Damn I want. Rebel what Burger King Delivers. Real it just said free delivery for ten dollars in up like. Uber. Now my audit Burger King. They got me got me. Don't go to. Beer it's crazy the time we're living in like. You can order wine. That's all do. Restored on war. But was saying. 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I mean the movement by by my man, Lopez, but when you're not throwing, that's the that's the problem when you're moving a lot, and you're making the Guy Ms good, but if you're not throwing back, you leave it in the hands of the judges, judges have different styles of judging, and you can fall into that panel words yeah, and I think whoever set it that Adam has no powers. He doesn't because Louis took a lot to the face and he still has made. Alex Doodo said they got him. He just ordered Pizza I. Hear You I'm in actually, Yo. You know why having ordered anything because when I went down, I smelled the girl. Megan some food something I will maybe she cooking for me? I don't know, but I am. Almost I'm almost on a level of be like your or the Pizza Allenwood Order Pizza, commercials. Blaming on ESPN Yeah No. I'm like what is that now i? Want that office impede Danny. Gocho race on coach I. Wish it was sunk Ocho. Oh. Ellis Slamming Oh Louie gay hit a lot though man. I'm so this. 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I never had a waste out that time. You brought him over for the fire. We'll fight. It was says say he got it four four I should have been scoring I. Ain't no, it was that. I own God. He gave him the last two rounds. Three rounds shot out. The top rainman studio looks good. I like the bubble. Man I'm really I'm really pleased with the way that it looks on TV. Yeah I mean except for like the camera angles. Where like you don't see like the frontline of people sitting in the stands, everything else is still give me the ambiance, so I'm I'm I'm cooling man. I'm I'm happy as A. Blue. Pills going to need some weeks off BRO that dude! Louis Louis Lewiston look bad. His asked on a look back on good left Hook. Guess that it's about. Five three on at least one of the judges scorecards. Round nine round little. Brown, nine, o'clock timestamped to eighteen, seventeen, sixteen fifteen. Is in Lopez with some laugh hooks man I'm earn ninth round though Lopes trying to go. But the but the obvious fresher fighter is Louie Oh. Adam is just holy cow Adam is. On a rampage, you're right. Look like. Start. Looking I slow off in the goonies. Oh you see punch. God. Louis keep landing right hands right on the neck adult WANNA. Come back though Adam Adam despite this is not gopher. To. Another right here about that. y'All. Bro He laid potable. He's laying good. Oh, good left, HOOK UPPERCUT BY ADAM! He's looking good. Right by. Three piece. Another Brian. What the Harry. Lopez. By, LOW PRICE Changing the last thirty five seconds of the fight Oh. This is our tour guide. Chill Champ they, Yell Louis is coming back, but man he's got. On accurate, he saw an accurate. He's only easing accurate big time. Out of that was an uppercut. Oh, my God. Bro Left Hook Up. Again in barely. Wow Bro. Up this earning side. Missed y'all he going for the stoppage or was twenty three seconds left though Joe watchkeeping attention. I'm ahead of your left foot by Louis. What happened since we were in the ninth round by the way? I'm looking at right now. Bre Yeah Adam, now he's got the distance got the distance. Watch out with the district will make a Oh. He almost dropped Louis. stumbled. You Log Balance? We still baby face. Why eight that? As his looking like my man, necessarily gooney style. Harder I Louis Louis came in. Eighteen right now. He looked finance wagner. Over. A. grownup Louis knows look bro going to bring grow man Adam. Lopez whoa no bro Adam. Looking like bro You. Bet Your Life. Jar. Looking like he got stung by Bee right now you know they going all right tenth round began. I still haven't started. Robert, Garcia versus Buddy mcgirt spent a good fight. Fantasy fight, coach versus y'all look at atoms y'all Adam on my God. I hope he's okay. This is crazy all in in all kinds of ways a man. At least he came forward on the shot right now. I'm just. By Louis All I. Just hope he's okay on when he's done. Bro, the his face looking bad. Oh! Shit caught right in the Chin and still. Not at all Adam got chin. I got a left hand for. Snuka left on the. Arm of atom, wanting to his own right hand all mind, this is a good fight. They are in the booth. Bro, they crazy. You. See how you see Louis. By longer again, so he could. Throw that right right hand by Adam. L. Y. are they. Why is Adam fighting? Like the he crazy? Oh, four hit the. Action as he has to leave an impression on the crowd, believe it or not he. Me Bro, you gotta be able to fight again. Broder's dude looks like he's going to six months off man. It's the with a he needs to beautiful right hand from Adam these crimes. Oh, another right hand from Adam Joe what. Another little. Bro Adams said is getting a hope he can last. Oh, my, God. It's because Louis got nothing to lose now. He's like not going after this. I think Adam's jaws broke. Broke your rights really cry what? Oh my God. Christ grow. He got to get on a job. Man, Bro, it's one many not stop. Oh, beautiful left and right out and know why. This. Bra If they. Don't give them a draw and I hope they don't get no draw because this. Is, definitely through more body shots Jesus, Christ gallagher's face, bro Bro Lewis. Time. We has like this little like I haven't slept in a couple of days thing under his eye and that is it. Oh. He's. Forty That is that Oh hell. No, they don't. They. Mark God wants to. Jesus, that right hand. Caught. A little dance. Then you guys getting a whip withdrawn this I hope. I get your medicine knew it, but yeah I could see a drama hope not. Going to happen. The. Community is a showcase who we lived over roundup. Oh Shit. Bro Luica. Wow. I'd. Tried to send his. Number One. Apor Joe Right now the way Louis. Adams face bro. The judges might not give them a fight on his face, BRO! Mommy look like a piece of Arken Hamburger Meat Jesus why oh my Lacrosse Ida for half a second. That's what I'm saying I hope. He's I when he goes home by like. I'm all looking. Right now. That's too much bro Jesus. Bush lost six hours of sleep and he's all right were given out the ribbons right now on my side doing the ribbons a game wbz China be like Yo. Don't forget as boxing back, so we? Don't. Get A R. Are I guess. This is like a moment in history medallion from Wbz like the. Was a nonstop payments man at the WBZ is the best they're showing highlights, and they're showing all atom Lopez landing. Let me see one. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking I. Just I just hope he's okay. Man. They're showing the more accurate punches from Adam Lopez I'll be honest with you like I'm giving it to Adam just because he switched gears and he managed to make him miss. Why he got to be an this is twice now that he's being applauded for being in wars, man. This was supposed to not be a war I'm assuming unless top rank is throwing them into the wolves I. Don't get it. It was Oh my God. He was in a fight br a replay adamant my man would like a four piece of one two one two bre. This can't. Louis got a chin. Let me tell you they right. Maybe throw in the wolves, because for a guy like Robert Garcia. To be trained to him, he must have shown some talent. Bro, he showed you. He coming forward non stop. He's worker. So you know that means in a gym. Why are you look like a baby? Landau vagus? He deafeningly like a little little baby. I'll does this guy I'll know, but damn, Bro, let me look it up. I had to pulled up Jeez Poor Louis Twenty one years old. BABY FACE! AB. Three straight wins by Ko to man. He had three, so so I don't know. Maybe he wasn't the underdog up. My boy is looking good and Adam just like touched. His is like no. That's what I'm saying like. They might give the other kids if I bam. Is still swelling. They starting to shut. Why Brady? Hospital? He needs a hospital broke. Out a warm Naveh concussion. Or to suffer some shit when he gets to the locker room, fuck and passes out. He looks bad, Bro. Wh what were the scores yes? You marriage that you guys have been you know. What are the scores Real quick? There's no spores. Yeah, they're hitting them now. Think in the scores yet. Your white felt, has it? That's the way let let. Four majority decision and anew featherweight Adam. Lopez wins. Lopez majority decision. Ninety. Ninety five, ninety five. Ninety six, ninety, six, ninety four. And it was it was close. He landed the most obvious punches, but he just swelled up doing it man. And guess what Louis Look. Amy's anytime off. was beaten. He warned, but he he got hands. Put on him. Bro, you're showing me a lowes commercial to. Should I call those for like some bricks? Come the CRIB. Oh, go buy some plants go. The lowest commercials, so you can insulate the hot as added. Yo. Helping Nash Shit and I have vents. Fans on. You got to insulate the roof so that the stops the heat hitting the roof from going straight to you then you need to put an a CNN. You got a C. The insulated. 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I know that couple. Umbro. Where where do we put them? Out and this is one of those fights watts off all Kovic straight OUTTA covert. He wanted. He got down, but he had a triple Jan.. Is it a big factor, your guys. Why bring sixty two dam in the world chair. It good! Is it a factor. Now that these guys are coming out, a cold did and there wasn't enough sparring and all that. Is that an excuse that we're going to be taken, not a. he looked like he was. He was on that time it was on. He was on, but he looked rusty. Adam looks shot he just. I guess he ain't got good you how? He got hit a lot man he. She's one, but he got hit a lot. Shot out the DB ex crack and fight judges. Viewing is level now muscle arm emoji. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, they had. Chairs. Joe Cortez. I did. It's not fair. Man Joe Cortez, wanted them to be over the ropes I mean. That is all he got a little bell. Would he get a federal con WBZ. What is it yeah? 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You came out looking like that or you may somebody like that? No, I'm talking about I experienced. l., you know what I'm saying and I noticed that though. Not like that like. You saying I'm compared to let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. That's the reason I interrupted you at a black guy broke. Felt like I got in a car accident. And when you take punches to the hair, believe it or not be like it should be one shot row and it'll. It'll mess with your motor skills like it'll mess which talk you, you'll feel like it's almost like I. don't even know how to explain it broke. Because know when you fight a journalist pump into, and when you the down. When you after the fight, you still got a little bit. You know in there, but it's like is winding down. Wind down is almost the best thing I could explain almost like. You're a little loopy. loopy! And it does mess with you. Speak Bro this a serious sport, all respectful to these guys both. Especially competition cash because you know spine is different. You can have some but when you under the light and they trying to crack you end you. Don't shut them shots Bro and like I say you. I. Can't I come back to you. Fill me like I've had a rough night all night I'm like damn. And, you're not to be real real right now. You must must be the wine, but like you. You I'll be alive I. told you off. I'm praying and telling you hope that any of the shots that I took. Don't affect me because you feel. You feel a little different bro. In on the next day, everything goes away, and you feel a little better than you heal up, but no real ting this. Concerns about his left hand yesterday he got his. He got it cleared, so he's all good. Has Tag taste at greatness. Stevenson he was whooping. Et boy man. I'm wondering about how he doing. Out For ninety days I mean he had the body shot knockout so? Head trauma. Bravo? He he was a he was with that forward. Peekaboo Kinda style mashed shots. 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Their levels next Bush should call Joseph Diaz Lille Santa. Cruz McGowan Burt Shell I would love ask. Santa Cruz and Santa Cruz came out and said that he would fight him. The thing is you know. Can they do cross promotion right now? Right If we go by the Tyson fury, AJ Jay is At the Joshua negotiations, yeah, it's already due to. Would you talk about Tankers Fighting Leo Santa Cruz? It can't be next. That, official is not official. I mean it's about as official is anything is these days right now? I think I would say I i. here's The thing I would put my money on the fact that they're fighting. Next was August. Say it like that because I get what you are coming from, it's not signed sealed delivered, but I think that fight is much easier to go ahead with into a fight with a core at this point, or how many highlights show man. All Body Shot Joe He. Dirty. That was dirty. Bro He gets so much leverage in the show on Mikailah, my versus Helen Joseph lightweight ten around postpone. Yes by the. is expected a few months back posts IGGI. My body was simply still shedding the virus, which resulted in a positive test, despite not being sick or infectious info from my case will help to adjust testing protocol to avoid similar issues in the future awesome, awesome awesome! Well, that's good, you know. It's unfortunate from Kayla, and and it. It sucks, but you know at the end of the day something. Good's going to come out of it in that you know hopefully something like this won't happen again because she should have the right to fight, but at the same time you know, you can understand the hesitancy. So. She's a trailblazer. You know her. Her experience is going to help others. To the same thing I just know. Especially Women's boxing man, you know it's a it's not. It's not in the main in the main in the eyes of the public as much as a male fighters. It's always good to see them. Fight specially. No, the top top gals in the. Sport so. kind of suck you that you know we see her. What how soon they throw her back in there. I think that they try to pull reschedule it a sap I mean literally a sapling if they could get it on one of the next couple cards that they got coming up, they should do that because both of them were ready to fight before you allow them to get. Completely out of shape or early out of fighting shape, you know you better just schedule it now, and what happens in in the case of Helen, Joseph I mean how. Does that any compensation. Go to her. You know because of you know. It's wasn't make us you know. But you don't fight you don't get paid. You know you, don't you? Don't get paid. I mean it should have been a topic of discussion. Right like all right. We're fighting, but like what happens if I'm ready to go I, put the money into my camp and everything. Up Bring, you know compensates in another way you know, but so many cheese like you know you spend money on camp. You get ready and and I know it's not Michaela's fall, but like compensates. Who in that matter just freaking out? You might want to go to a few callers so I think we're going to be here for like thirty forty minutes before the next. Time. It's been between fights or something like that ten minutes in between fights. Nah We weren't. We were like thirty. Five forty minutes can't fight. Remember takes fifteen minutes to clean up every kid. We think go to callers and they you via I. Don't remember when we didn't go to Colo, but it does. Callers don't. We. But we can, but we didn't, and it doesn't take that long. Believe me. But. I don't remember. We go, we go to them, but we know intros going straight to callers. Give you take on a first fight that we got the see and Yeah, do it. We're going the topics of Talking. Points Kyrie say wilder. is the second best heavyweight in the world and Kayla plant, saying that he controls went sixty eight, not canelo. It's right Let's go out to looks like king born blog. Talk Talk to me. I will not. I don't know I. Don't know what's going on I. think that right man I went to the Jesse magazine fight. I can't see it right now right now. I'm on the border sexy. Oklahoma sat up to my truck. Drivers Yo like I said. Just I. Don't know, Ain't nothing really going on, you know, say I I'm kinda seeing yourself with the men you never regret. They fight, not me dowse. He was going on like I said. I got one this morning, and I was just like. You know like envisaged me lying about these contracts in my, despite it totally signing. Going on, that's more yeah. I just wanted to just enjoy. I own like I say I. I love. Listening to your wanted to call Steven. Saying definitely made my night I mean my day and I like what's doing piece. Alright alright. Alright. We going out to King I. What up. What's? Going on. Right. y'All so far so good man. You know blue knows man. He made that fight for vowed Dez pretty tough. He making the fight to to for himself I. Remember back in the Day Howard Letterman, said he said if you WANNA score fight. If you don't know how to do the point, just look at an essay. WHO's The guy? You'd rather be ended around? So the judges called what they called it because Lopez did have better technique, but Louis Louis Louis Nice. Little Kid man! I hope some workout for him. That's my call. Have you I mean you rather been Louis Dough right because I'd rather have been Louis? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you cats Louis. Louis put little stay on his face. He he, looking for some chicks tonight out of Lopez GonNa be sitting in emergency room had a bed. Yeah? That's GONNA be sad. State Kate. EXPLI- ain't no looking for chicks in Vegas tonight. y'All will fight a design the rain, so it was pretty quick I told you that but I mean thank you for calling in will continue to go to callers I. Guess in between rounds were after this next match right now. 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You know when I did the died. I was on a roll I felt like I was focused in that time in my life. Yeah, my man took that right hand with the show. Joe He i. if I got five FIS man. I don't care I find. Students just say. You're one of the fighters. They wouldn't have made it if it weren't for Kobe. Die is a preschool teacher and he speaks perfect English. He's going to hear from their parents we. Wouldn't have made it. Like, he would like I. Guess He wasn't supposed to fight. And because of this pandemic and lack of fighters, one in a fight or being ready he, he got the call I guess. or he was able to make. I mean travel bans and all he probably lives in Mexico. Who knows? That if if he even is Mexican right here's Mexican fighter Mario. Nah I don't think he is you. I'm going to ask the. The Mexican on the on a panel. I mean I. Think he I think he is of that descent, but you're Mataya has never. Pay For the for the Mexican. Fan Base out there. Yeah, never heard Thia. Yeah, he he's. He's from California yeah, the woman man like you could see. He's like other Mexican descent. You know what I'm saying like. Of course he's Hispanic. He's Mexican American, but it's like. Yeah. He wasn't born. He was born here in California. Oh Tyson's furious faces back on there. was he saying you know showing the right? To fight deal. Fight. And Yeah they talking about the to fight deal next year, and he just got a smash deontay wilder face exact. Mass Adagio fight next year next year I will get it on to him. And I don't know that means that he wins or loses. He's still get staphit. What happened in my boys lip? Look like he hasn't been drinking water. or Check. The thank you. Well. He went live. Yogurt Spaghetti's live I think I'm ready for the real fights happen not the scrubs like new smook Marietto. Damn Champ. he's just digging himself a whole he's. ABOUT TO BE ABOUT TO BE A. Mankind in undertaker bouts of Barium, alive remember mankind road. Oleo, they got they got them. Live and breathe. What's up? Yeah, they just went live for me. That's crazy. He's. He's on there with Joel Story. I saw the glowing in your face that the parameters twenty. Why is it so important for you to get this done? That's Joe Satory. Just ask them. Tyson fury man he. He wants to keep busy. Wants to know what's up next for the future? Yeah, you book to fights. It is a mistake. He's acting like it's not a mistake. Well a lot of people told me mistake to book to fights. It is a mistake dude, and that's how much it shows that you think a while there i. don't care if you say all. He is the second best that that really doesn't sway me too much. Each has his. Your actions are showing otherwise. You really are super confident that you're going to be him up, so he just said that he's not taking the onto wilder lightly that he knows what he hasn't both his fists, and yet we're talking about him in Joshua. Keep. Keep filling yourself up Champi is gonNA. Be a tough one. Miro tough one. I get it. You know you gotta stay confident and all that other stuff. But there's no term. Yeah, he even said there's no. There's no terms man what they don't know not in. says. Get some food and shut up laughing EMOJI. Pizza emoji Burger Emoji. By FRY EMOJI. Brom, getting hungry. I'm getting hungry out here. Little highlights of and Anthony Joshua. Shot all my UK fan fan base out there. That loves Anthony Joshua. I know. You're not taken his highlight too lightly. But yeah, you're man. Get beat up by the next door. Pudgy guy. But. He got it back, you know. Got It back not that I'm going to give them a super mounted credit. But then again I can right because it's not his fault that Andy the and pair right so. Whatever Look Tyson fury, all laughs and giggles. I got this in the bag. Look at him as looking at the TV is like this guy's just so confident. Is He's. He he beats while he's he's. He's in line for being legendary man. He's in life. I mean it's like everything. We just said this morning. Do Me? That's all they're saying he's like. I mean all they did was agree to fight next year like that's what they did. They agree to fight next year, but that's not saying that the fights next or the fights can happen on this date, or whatever like you know what I'm saying, so? That's why I really don't even think it matters. What happens with wilder and fury. Fury's going to fight Josh with some point in two thousand twenty one win or lose. Do you see breweries. In any way like coming into this whole tidal contention, and like like let's say like a fury loses know loses in an anti fight, somebody you and the ever coming around to that. You know to that holding those belt again anytime soon I mean all the belts like as three belts at least that he held with Aj win right. Back to that anytime soon. No no I think ESPN article painted a picture that look everybody's got things. Everybody's got. You know stuff going on in the background and Andy seems like he lives pretty complicated life at the moment and so. I, don't know I. Don't think that at this point you know anytime soon. He's going to not just break the habits that have held him back, but break them and then develop the kind of habits that can turn you into a champion I don't think that's going to happen quickly, but do I think he could hold the title again absolutely, but at some point I think every bell is going to be around the waist of Tyson fury and he I don't think he ever beats Tyson for your. I don't even think he beats anybody that would get him in a fight with Tyson fury. But again that said I do believe that he has what it takes to be a champion again. He's just got a long road to overcome. Seeing the highlights right now I know you are too. Yes, right? Seeing the highlights and shit. You know a fury getting beat Walter. Thrown in. you know. My Man. It's crazy. Man was a crazy night for a lot of us manned the wild defense. I know we get a lot of issues. Because of it, but it was a hard night. It was a hard night. So they. Still got three zero heady well. You know if you're talking his talk laughing giggles. Super Tab Jared. Lloyd it you. But I'll read it. The British Lord is announcing fake news. Nothing is official on that Joshua fight. I'll be on tomorrow to cook them, but tenders for breakfast. He loves messing with them. Bro, it's so funny! Man. The There's nothing like the callers. And the people in the chat. Salou shut out the. Caesar in Vegas, so he can give his thoughts on a to fight Caesar Cope. Camps. Audio! Sound better than ever champ better than. Mandate nothing like watching the vice with the TV crewman. We make it so much better especially with no crowd. But you gotta give Luna's man. That kid I think I think the problem. Was the the fatigue right I think. That I think that was his problem got tired. He started. Moving less and less than an started giving the other guy, the fight that he wanted, but I thought his pivoting his foot work was like. Just super, sweet man I really love his movement in their Jab, man. She was on point. Love, watching that Kid I knew who's going to be something as soon as you put the work on. On On Valdez Man. I thought that was a stoppage, but hey. That's the daily skype reset. So that was crazy. Interest rates Oh like our phrase what Tyson for talking about. Yeah, what was he saying? Busy. He's keeping busy. He likes to know his future training Hart He's he's got a train Horford. deontay wilder and only focus on while before even thinking about Aj so concerns is that everything comes together for that fight, and there are no terms between Tyson Aj. He's not concentrating on AJ's fight. Fury prefers the fight not to be a macau, but in LAS. Vegas he also. He also called his hometown's crazy. How we're we're. We're getting Tyson fury the move. This is the top rank PR machine easy they get. The Nasty Shit. I got crazy shit nodes. This is a crazy nest that he said he was like. Yo Aj has easy fights mandatory just like me, who he was referring to was the anti wilder he's. So. He's expecting Aj to have easy wins himself to have easy win against wilder. Talk Shit. Of course, he's talking shit. Hence why he said while the will knock out. Aj You know what I'm saying, but calling a calling. Calling, wild uneasy fight, so that's where he's out with it and. You know this. Let me ask you some. You think you think the while the is gonNA. Come back into this fight like the heaviest he's ever been. Or you're going to see him. You know the usual like damn. He's light for a heavyweight. I think scientifically. He's GonNa. Be Thicker. You know what I'm saying. He has to be muscle heavy. and. He has to have led movement. He has to have oxygen. 'cause Tyson fury goes twelve rounds. Yeah. That's one thing that I wonder man. I wonder what they're doing in the camp to turn that around this time around, you know because most of the time he did just kind of lay back and wait for that bomb drop, so he didn't need his legs as much, but he soon found out. What this fight that he needs his legs I. Hope he's putting in that time to build those legs up I mean you know I? Don't got big legs either like that. You feel you know the little leg. Cats get a lot of heat man. You know what I'm saying I hope he built the things up because. He going need. He gotTA move. Even if let's just say Wa, fury comes in, and he's big as hell, and he attacks the way he is, but he still can move like he can still pull back. Move around and do his thing so. I'm just. I'm just worried that any weight he puts on the. He's not slower than he already was. You know what I'm saying. They're showing his replay A. Talking about it. They milk in it though they missed scheduled for July, Eighteen ruled full eight twenty twenty. Two. Originally. Yeah yeah, originally was. What you mentioned on Chicken Papa's. Damn. Kokin at the best I tell my girl at time like Yo and I pick up, pick. The home cooked food over delivery anything unless you know what I'm saying. Nobody wanted cook and they go order. Yeah let me. Real quick we got. Off Greatness Harlem. Harlem would up. Living. Good, we live in. I. Blast. Live Mu. Yeah yeah, that's a fact. Well first of all is to all the fighters you know. Thank goodness that they made it out safe. What I'm saying it's a health is number one I'm definitely fill in. This box is bad movement. The only thing I'm not feeling is how ESPN shows these fights. Men Guess I got to bite that bullet because they gotta pay the bills with these commercials, but is is dreadful from from our point of view, but the I was real, good real good for us to to see some good movement, you know some good foot movement you know, showed it definitely showing media and Magin young boxes on come up You know to put some emphasis on some footwork. You know what if it was a executed a one hundred percent now? But a lot of that I miss any topics. Tyson jury calls while to the second best heavyweight in the world you know and Kayla plant says that he controls the one hundred sixty eight pound division, not Canelo. Okay so Tyson. That's a man. I I could agree with Tyson favoring when he says that while the the second best, but You'd I got put into consideration that Joshua. With them belt stuff you know so. That's a different conversation. But When while they got a lot of work to remain in the a definite inform in in this next one, but we already know what theory could. Really do some damage saw adjustments now. My son Roger running now. We're not them legs man. Chain. For real man that's that's the concern man. That's the concern. Is that movement that Tyson fury brings to the table in this like wild, going to match that? And see while the pull some like clutch like spe-. Jukes in the ring. You know what I'm saying. That's how he took remains to burn I. Mean to see more of that. and. And that's what's going to help them. Be a stay in there with with fury. If you're you know can't take while the our while there's a little stronger low fast. A feels better, you know. Obviously. He's expressed for for a while now that he wasn't himself so. You know this time around will get to see A. Better version in a more and more serious than focus version I, mean come on. We all know that this is for the. This is for the whole for all the marbles as they say. So it's going to be. It's going to be something that he won't be taken lightly and I know he's not taking. Let me get to Info Joe and Kelly. Coming off the cut me off their. Come your. Oh Yeah, you had you had muted and everything so I moved on my. My my bad, that's Whoa your. Info Joe. pull up on Saturday, boxing ball's father. There is the main event I've been looking for. Joe Talk to? y'All. I saw I things I always say shout out to the boxing God. Was Up to be a man. Is Good to have fights. Oh, man I I. Just overwhelming right now, man! This is a good fight good. This was better than the fights. We had the other day. Just that one fight actually very competitive outscored draw. I can see why I could see some people saying six four but although I did like Lopez Nick in moving and boxing. I still think that Louis. I think he's still actually scored more punches if he will check the punt stats, I think he out landed him. So that's why I came up with the draw, but a good fight far fury and wilder I think theory is getting a little cocky, sloppy planning the fight before he thought. Wow, before he fights louder again so I think he's overlooking wilder and I think that can be a big mistake, and I hope they can't get Wauconda. bounced back and knocked his ass out. That's all God's gentlemen tease. Info Joe. I have no idea whether happened. Put Info Joe. Yeah, man. King of what kind of Bro he coming back well, he might just come back for you guys. WanNa be goofy and laffy about his his, so he come back with a suit you never know. What I'm saying. That's one thing that awesome. Like blue or funny shit. I've been thinking about in the back of my mind, and it's while they're gonNA. Come back with another suit. You know same fight or he's GonNa say the suit coming our core old school style. You know what I'm saying. Because definitely don't want to hear no more excuses and nobody wants to know about no suit so. Maybe he'll leave that he'll be that at the crib this time around. We got lights their in ring. He Got Lights Oh there in the rink. Damn I still got the announcer girls in the announcer kind of talking about. Well, they were just in the ring. They were showing them. And then they cut to mark should knock. Chinook I have I have the announcement of Eric Mundell along my my my dot. Leno now I'm sorry damn. Monster. On chance. SAGAN SHIRT OFF Joe. Birth over to the corner like this. Don't worry Eric, Wound Dragon. Yes he's. Dragging on dragging. On Your Mantra Gong as well and with the Tattoo net the. Tattoos on the next look crazy. Have you looked at it. He's it's all you. That's Kinda. I noticed it, but I didn't see like in order to me like what the big deal was. He didn't see anything wrong with it. Neither that is so I'm I, think. You? If he go for a job interview. Hang on, get it. 'cause like I thought he was saying. Was this shit? Tat To? That was a holy cow that hurt. Was Too Yeah Bra that had been painful painful that you now the the the. Pain Otis this right. This is a four round fight, but they look. Very Professional, go cash the four around finding the four round five fighter I always say you better go in that I find the friggin amateur fight. There's only one more round. How one off round you better take off right from the beginning like a like a rocky, says using his JAB. Yobo. Home Start attached behind. Started for me do. Yeah? Evidently started. WHOA. Cash I'm Lou announce what happened? He got the Texas the Texas Rangers. On Tattoo neck is like Yo. Do I. Go back to Elmhurst. Was the book. Let's go to Elmer's Bra the fact that he got that Tattoo just around his whole neck, three sixty style. God left all. Pau. Your. Dragon slayer. Home. John Snow on. I go you. Jon Snow on A. Real I was a left Hook Bro. Bait Lewis still in the rain. Because, he can't take a break on drag on is really just very shy with that right hand. Put on its back pockets cold. That's true. Appoint that wakes. Who the hell up in so many ways because I haven't seen him. Throw that punch. Recollect his thoughts from. He's in. He's Tibo mode. He's trying to fast for back sound like starbucks. Yeah, you broke up. That was me you. Know I think I might have here nothing. Comes back. CUT It out you back to the future on. Serbs Yoi spoiling it, but now I'm going to watch for it and spray. You know so I'm looking over here, right? It'd be over here right watch. That's what happens. I'm guessing no. No guess over here is the left. It's just. It's. Struggling right hook. Was the over here, right I called it. Oh, they got a knock down a piece. They're trying to fight now all going at into the corner. At all on got his groove back jumping around going IOS going on me. Canvas he banged. His gloves together looked at his coach. I got on. The bus to Elmhurst instead I'm staying right here. Nine. Walk to his seat, like Oh go bodyshop Yo you. Walk back to stool. I mean sometimes. You GotTa Show Fuck you fuck to? He, he came back. He saved themselves because this is a four round. Fight a knockdown as proof detrimental, so he got out here. It's nine. Right did they do that nine? A tie right knockdowns for knockdown definitely. Home! You're both of them overhand right now. It's funny. How like everybody gets asked? If you get knocked down as a fight, you get asked like you'll okay. They just went back and said yeah right no problem. That check. So good. Good. And you're right. That was a back. Check hose. It Nice Angle, Bro! Raising, that was a nice angle y'all wendy, you ever expecting it from that angle and beautiful over Hambro. Hook from a from MOE. Drag on, put them and. Look at. Home! I The coolest last night. All Ear Inn Jawbone. He got a strong joy line to. He's still called that. He said he got a strong Joel. Look at my joy got a Jay. Leno jaw come on. We got a little chin. Chin, we're back in it. Brown too, and we'll probably the. He Jabber. He ain't got that same SPA. The blue knows looking at job. Compared to blue knows. Year but some reason. They looked like they had much more harder power. Week at eight. They pull in leverage on these punches man. Yeah, they look much more potent punches. Mad I'm trying to wonder modern. Own has a tattoo behind his hairline. Yeah! Go all the way around. It go around right. I really thought that was part of the haircut. Though it goes all the way around is seen. That's what I say. Wow, unlike is just on his neck to like it sticks out. Visible Turtleneck. 'cause he probably got a head tattooed to is probably only when shaves his head. You've got a fresh fade from rob. You're okay. Scientists combination punches bringing the. Lupine. Right hand from Montreal gone is just not good. Eric is so sloppy like he just drops his head in digs to the body. Yeah, that's what I'm saying Sanchez. Counter him again. It's not gonNA cut it. He's GonNa get caught throwing that stupid right hand he's. Shop. Mongolia's undefeated three zero to Cao's. By what I thought I thought you go with that. KNOCK DOWN! So more on legendary last name is the favourite. Last what I'd love to be called to read if I had last name like. Danny Sanchez is also undefeated with six wins to Cao's, and his last fight have been here in America so I mean I don't know Danny. Danny Danny. Got The goat. Someone's definitely gotta go. Play in Oh. Yeah you know I. Love The way they Moan that I won't steps in with that one, too, but he got caught last time with that fact, step left man you to knock on putting it on closed. Dance is right there. Drag on, did. You really stops on the campus when he throws those. Low. By motor only stepped in real. Nice with the right hook looks like it's been work. OVERHAND! It's like it's a different angle. You know what it is to Oh commercials. Cuddle right before the fight. I. Always I was always taught that. There's really no such thing as a right hook I mean, I know technically yes, there is such thing as a right hook, but I just most boxing gyms I've been to. They don't even counter intimates like one Jad, two straight three hook four right uppercut five left uppercut, and they don't throw that right hook in. The back cooked the way I tell my guys all the time to cook. You know it has less reach. It's it's better to use the cook on the inside because you're you're. You're guarantee and more liable. So you know especially on the South Pole which I am, it's such a weird like situation to for me to see like a right hook. It's very very rare. And, guess what's in seen a left hook is the same way so when you ask Boston that's why he stepped back, and he threw a left hook. You're right member, my first my first damage fight. That's how I got the guy. You, know to to you know. Wobble a little bit I step back and through. That left book. And I finished. You know, finish them but that you know enough enough of that though. Jesse Tessa Torey has name Joe Protests or Whereas his guy been besides a ESPN is, or he has always been Joe Justice or yes, he's worked for ABC he. The Olympics for whatever whoever was doing Olympics in the summer of. Twelve, two thousand twelve so yeah, he's. He's been around there back in the guys back in the ring. Sanchez in one drug on. Ga Sanchez on the back foot. You know making more step in and follow him along. See and maybe if he could Let. Fall into something. Few faints from Sanchez. Still stepping in with the with the JAB. I like the way that gone uses that left. You know it's like a Paul, but he's like really using it to find what he wants to set up just like that measuring them out measuring amount, yeah! Okay the locked up. Each Other. Bao's tells them to watch their heads, and that's another thing with south Paul and an unorthodox fighters. You know the bump another heads. The happens stepping of the foot. Happens. But it's Sanchez on the back foot man. Seems like drug on still has not figured out a good distance yet. And I. Don't blame moment I mean it's only been two rounds. Difficult figure guys out when you finding a four round fights wild love. Tell you got a full round fight. You gotTA fight like you're fighting in the amateurs man. You got to speed it up. Got To speed it up. Throw more combinations. Sway the judges in your way. You see Sanchez on the back foot, but You know he literally lose his round. And he in in jeopardy of losing the fight. You can't take off rounds too much man. You're on the third round and you're on your back foot. Go in there unless you're trying to. Go on his already begging like come on, come on, come on. You is up to you to cut the ring up to you to catch your prey. True and you're right on that, but when when when you're Sanchez and you're not throwing punches in. You're just moving back. You're not winning in the eyes of the judges. You're losing attack. Yeah, that's a good point. You're right. And is it. MEAL SANCHEZ TIRED HE BETTER NOT BE TIRED. I don't think he's tired I I just I don't know. He's fighting like he is for sure exactly, and he's not committing okay at all up above bodyshop there, that was a good commitment. They are there you go. He sat on a little bit better to. One has no idea whether it's coming or going on the inside. He keeps throwing shots that are overshooting the mark undershooting the mark. He's just having a real problem with precision. His really short arms. It looks like. He looks smaller Brown, but you gotTa have a centers as zero pop six five to win two knockouts. Yeah? That's a good point. Is Not very accurate. Round for either fighter but. One drug on did a lot in terms of. Pushing around kind of dictating the pace in the fight. Are you guys commercial right now? Yeah, we're on commercial or I am I, mean I'm sure wants those rounds transition? There were still at least Kinda with each other within the same yeah. I got a pizza pirate in front of me again. Guys I got ebay. They must have figured out I ate this showing me. Isn't crazy like the analytics and the way the phones listen to you I, mean conspiracy theory. I'm title but. They probably listening to you, this is like a episode of of Black Mir where it's like Yo-. The the commercials know you so well. It's like all right gives would've ordered pizza by now. Let's start showing him some Ebay commerce. Stream. New. Plan, B fighters back in the Ring Ladies and gentlemen. It looks like Mondragon. Dragon is still pulling forward and Sanchez on his back foot. Yeah I haven't even started. Just started for me, On not even started yet. Now, they're now. He's allowing them to go. man I'm I'm pretty much ahead of you guys. Let me see if I could. Catch up with fifty one to fifty to forty nine to forty eight. Broad I've crazy. We're literally sink identical. All Right? Let me catch up with you guys. Forty one to forty. Nine I. Don't see the pause by. US All good man We're not super far. I don't think. All right well. Two minutes. Twelve seconds. Okay so now you're gonNA, see the urgency, guys. You're going to see these guys forth on this sense of urgency, but Sanchez is either tired or he. I don't know he's having a bad night looks good. He looks in shape. But he's not throwing. He's on the back foot and he's lowering Eric Gain Menem in front of the judges man don't be. Got Pop in his right hand. Look it up. He infamous dot, com, both the right. Yeah, but he just doesn't throw with with any consistency. I mean he hasn't thrown the enough, but. Has Commitment to it. Oh yeah definitely. That's why I wish I would've seen him more like I. Wish I would've seen it setup Utilized more than to fight by month long. Gray! And Yeah that that Dick. That's his money shot Nasdaq right hand. It's like he stopped on. The job throws that right hand with a lot of commitment. Any throws it so different from from you know setup to set up. Right hand from one drug gone. She that that's step in one to you. I give Mikey Garcia credit for that type of. Type combination that wants to step in. He always catches. His guys would admit it's almost like you know. He throws it only when he knows he can get you. One that are still throwing. Sanchez every once in a while throws appalling jab, but not doing much man against Sanchez is not doing enough. And that's going to cost him. That's going to cost them. You know, and this is a gang. Going this is again going into what I always say you gotTA. You gotTA train to to the amount of browns that you're going to be fighting. You know you're not going to be training for twelve I mean a four round fight doing twelve rounds in the gym and China last going for the distance. You gotTA train for what you'RE GONNA do. Very important and Sanchez took off. Way Too much. K.. Confidence. I has nothing compared to the last fights. Yo Adam Lopez and. Dan. Forgot one man's name. Louis, we Korea Korea Damore going stuck in my head that was. Yeah me, too. On is like officially like the all time best last name that I've read so far and she and what do you think? Do you think he came back? Did enough to come back in from the first room. Absolutely absolutely being they both got magma knockdowns. If you wouldn't have gotten his hit back, he would have been in trouble. He would definitely probably lost the fight. Fight the world around fight. How do you even judge around fight, right? It's like. Yeah, it's so difficult to get dropped in in any of the rounds. Let alone you get put down the first or you lose that first round. Convincingly it's like from that point on. You're playing catch. You know. You. You have to fight a perfect fight to win at that point. You know you gotta fight hard to get the draw when you're in a four round fight so. Let me. Ask you this I mean apparently the first round we throw it in there as tight, but who won the rest of the rounds for you? you know I really think that mantra going did enough. As a whole Uram saying there were times where I felt like Sanchez looked better, but those were like cut in pace pieces throughout the fight. Fill like drug on put it together better, you know and I agree. It was too thin for for sanches. Yes, that'll go way to put it little to thin. Definitely came back I. Give them all the rest of the rounds honestly. Crazy CASSANDRA's impressed me with with the down at the beginning man. You know when you get a guy when you knocked down a guy early in a fight, you WANNA. Take advantage of that. You catch guy cold. You know it's a little different than catching the guy four rounds in five rounds in when he's already warmed up. So they? They come in with the scores for you yet, 'cause it looks like somebody. Just said that. I don't know savant I. Don't scores Just Yeah, Oh, now. They're saying they're going to the scorecards. It's thirty nine, thirty, seven for more gone. One of the Judges Judge Adalaide Byrd. HAS IT And Tim Cheat Them. Have it thirty eight thirty eight having majority majority draw? Wow, that is a in my opinion, a load of Crock. Tough that that come on man sent been worth a lot to some of these someone in their man that that was not it. I feel like won't drag on while he definitely did enough to get my scorecard I. Feel like there wasn't any one moment in there where it's like. He was just dominating interim, saying like he was winning the rabbit, he was never dominee, and so to come back from the whole that you're in at that point is just the math to me. It's the simple math. If, you can find one more round to give them or even if he taught even if you have a draw around like that's it, you know what I mean. The fights draw at that point. Like how? Is it music or is it like? Or is it just like my the back of my mind I got Elliott Bird and I'm thinking why. No no, that's not just you. That's not just you I didn't want to be. Yeah right Yeah I, didn't like that. Madrid on definitely did more than. Than, Sanchez. Pizza pies carry out? Your lot of these companies. Yeah. Pizza everywhere Jesus. I need some pizza right now. A lot of these. Hoes watching an insurance commercial end this dude wearing a shirt. That's a pizza pie like it's a shirt, but it's a pizza. This is just getting ridiculous. Trying to trick us Bro. Good on US on where Michael! Small Business Lives Ebay Marshall Ebay. Yeah Peop- The PEOP- The cash with the blue shirt. Small commercial is like mafe's. Trying to get you fast. You'll how much money you pay for like. TV Time I've heard a lot of money. I, a Catholic Domo. Mao know about that really now you pay would. You ever did like shoot for like a commercial or something like that accompany or some besides the stuff you do like onset for like musicians, actors and shit like that. Commercial Setting. Where you gotta like. Commercials where started. Okay. Like brands right like LEX. Is. You ever did a car commercial. Yeah, Cadillac for Volkswagen for a Mexican company. You'll hear that feedback now are that? That white noise now. That's doing those doom. No, that's why. I gotTA love my hair. He always throws me under the bus, but. Listen to me, listen to me. I hit them up on the. I'm on you at is not me okay? and. Hurt. To gain off of like voting against. Mondragon. Whatever's last thing with million who got? Tha Game Because Mondragon do me dams it meal. Is it that you know the name Avenida Bird? Causes me to think about a controversial. Like, why would they want to be a controversial? His I e the Asia. She doesn't know how to judge like you mean nat or Some stains just Kinda. Follow you around. Man is hard to wash off. Those true. She's just in that. Unfortunately I was looking at it more like she doesn't know how to judge because. I mean what is dead a gain on this? They both have like. Three. Right. Yeah, you're right, though I mean you're right, but like in a comical way sits in my mind like I hear adults burdens like Oh, I got to walk out of make sure that I. mean. Look at. It's real quick. I can't wash it away just yet, but whatever? Off Got. N N Ninety five masks and sanitizer. They selling now. We're. On TV. Michael. De Look up all the towels on them and follow us. On trying to keep them warm. Like Ness, said you try to keep your fighter warm. You know the venue might have the temperature of very low. You might have had a lot of AC. You don't WanNa. Be Sneezing, going out to the ring and Shit so you put towels on your try to stay warm or may what is known famously for turning up the heat? And his His lack of before fights a very important stay warm some guys like to warm up heavy guys like the warm of light. Some guys just like have the temperature on real high so that the body's already. You know the bodies prepared to circulate all that blood. But yeah. mcdonagh Annaborough is this the resurgence of Magnano? We're seeing here. I hope. Always liked him always liked him always liked his brother. I felt like they were both really. Solid fighters always Jesse was the more talented I guess like. I guess we say more talented, but what I mean by that is he had like better physicality physical attributes us a better athlete of the two for sure but I don't always feel like day goes punches better together, better a lake. He used the ring better. They were just little things that Diego did better, but I felt like Jesse was always the better fighter, but yeah. I hope this is the research because I really do appreciate the talent level of Jesse Magneto. Is he back with any row blows because he learned on any I thought he was. He was when you take losses like that and you're on a hiatus, you. You know you kind of try to revamp yourself sometime, so it'd be interesting to see him still. Want his title with? I don't know if he's still. S, you never sent me the the new semi the backdrop. For this I could do the yeah from a backdrop the logo for the backdrop. Dumi. You say he was going forward to you that there, but okay yeah do. You get a chance. I'm using my phone right now. So I won't be able to do it right now. I think I have it on her. No whenever you guys got. You got it okay sweet. Yosso get going back to. Mary. You're saying that you were excited by him. But what is what is on to to make the casual regular fan excited about him? What like what can we look forward to? If everything pans out for his? For his his way of seeing things in in his future, you know I feel like he has a lot of things that he can offer in terms of like excitement he he's really dynamic like he does. He doesn't do any one thing super great. He does a lot of things like good. You know I'm saying, but then when you look at the physical, this are the physicality. If you look at like, how is? Designed as an athlete like he just I don't know he's sharp and same time he could be explosive. He can get into dogfights like that's not a fighter that you usually like those three descriptions. Most of the time are for like three separate fighters, but you could apply those attributes to Jesse Magnolia now. Kenny do it on a high level. That's going to be the question that's going to be whether or not. He's going to be able to have longevity in the sport. Resonate with the casual fan. You know those are going to be the questions that we have to answers. If he can do that at the highest level which he shown, he can you know in in throughout his career. He's had big moments. You know and he's fought. Guys like recall. Romo's you know DOE Nair has wins over them. So you talk about this one loss to you know arguably. Super Super underrated fighter. You know now. He does have two losses in a dog bull. Dog. And that was going. I was GONNA lead up with that question and the Caz. If you wanted to chime in, you could like what you guys think about that matchup where you big on Isaac before. He took on Mike. Are you telling yourself like oh? MCDONALD'S IN I. Know nobody thought was dog was told to be by a couple of people and I didn't believe him. He was an upset. WHO UPSET! About it upset Him. Does that make anything better for me? You know I mean veteran. What sense! Since you know he got upset. It doesn't look as bad because you know. Dogs Bay got upset as well. You know it's not keep bringing forever. No I don't no because all that did was show that now. I did this better than both of them exactly yeah, you want the guy. The beach you to stay undefeated so when you go back to them, it's like you. You can capture whatever glory former glory that you had before, and that's the way that other people treat it though do me like me and you nestle. We don't see it that way cash. We don't see it that way like we don't look at somebody's undefeated streak as the only positive aspect of their career or the what makes someone special is that they've never been beaten. Lot of horsecrap so You know that that's why I think Jesse's still has. A lot of upside? And this guy that he's fighting tonight and offer so the casual. Don't know him and Shit is Yeni fell. Be sent the. And I Know Nelson. And probably you marry a tour, you guys. Feel like this guy has been in there with with a couple of guys. That are you know their marital I guess that show merit to to be in good fighters. Yeah. I mean Tremaine. Williams's we lost to we all know. That we, we will in Sonia for that one. That was a good fight interim. Saying in indefinitely. There's no hate for him to lose to Tremaine Williams. But I think we still don't know a lot about tremaine warriors at this point Internet mean like how good is he on this list like we still don't know. He looks promising, but you know he also lost. Eric Hunter did vison day so you know he's. He's got some decent wins. He's got some losses, but most of his all of his losses are to the guys who try like step up Eric Hunter Chris Avalos. You know those names we recognize that have been. You know decent fighters in the past, so you know. He beat a a liberal Sali's when he was like really really young like five zero at the time, and he won that fight got it over on him. who else yeah, that's about it. All I recognized room so. We'll see where he lands in this fight. I mean he at least got a Ko win last fights, they know. What have you done for me lately? I mean I can't speak too much of the to the other opponents Germain had that that Owen record so it stands out but I mean he does have a few TKO's in Cao's man. This the Dominican might have the banana power. Jason. Like I'm not I'm not going to put to pass them, so it's like so do we categorize yet? If you never sent there as a tough? A tough a tough competitor or it's going to be easy. Walk through for for Jesse Mike Molyneaux. Some fight. Yeah, I'm expected to be a tough fight for sure, but I put it this way. I think it's Jesse's fight to lose so you know while I fully expect Jesse to get his hand raised by no means so I think it's going to be easy night. Meals box were down. Boxer Nights? Is Good for me. Go for me. To but warmer refresher pays won't be good. Imagery. I'll marry. Yeah I, did it. Is Good. Good Yeah happened to me the other day when I was on what you guys I. It totally shut down for me. Okay, no one who's mind why Bro I remember one goes one. No of course, Dominican. That was nests like hopeful hopeful, Dominican hope and shit show remember when he went on a six fight losing streak Jeez Louise he's so official like you know. especially I loved them. Out of heart. Goes Mind. They went on a six five win losing streak, yeah me neither. was that not only I think I'm looking at the wrong one. Oh, yeah, that's the wrong way Mess joy shots one long. WHOSE MOM probably only laws one fight or something like that to get over there with TNT Mario? Let me see. No no I was just looking at the wrong one and. That's why I was like how many same names pop up box regulate what? y'All also y'all thought I was talking about Joon Goose Mon-. No, no, no, no, he's great up like no because I'm like not accurate with the record but six. That seemed like a lot of. Notre no yeah. I was talking about one Guzzi. He's the one that far from flyweight to. Think! He got up to bantamweight. I mean what are you GonNa do right now. I'M NASTY I don't want only how one laws. Guy Only I. Got So we lost to. Who Albuquerque. Oh Yeah mccurdy Yup I don't know if you got sick, but if you watch boxing, you know that he lost Ali Phone Echo. Fight it again a draw. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Where was that fight again? One time. One time in Vegas. Gotcha Gotcha. You Know Joe is the one who had been at the like. You know like squat and then come up in punch. You same thing you saw Ericsson. Man was so good. His nickname was mini Mike Tyson. That's what the public called. It's funny because it is faced. In everything. What was the what was her non Marquez's nickname wasn't. Many Tyson, also ooh. Hernan Marquez remember the yeah. Yeah, well. It was many Mike Tyson up. Yeah. Mexican do Ya. Not good though he ended up getting mad losses as soon as soon as he came on the scene with that name I think his fight after that probably laws right. Yeah, he he. He had like people thought. WHO's GonNa be the goods and. Start drop. All right, just Leno! Get the smoke. You know effects. Coming in. This is adding. It's adding a Lotta coolness cool points. So we smoke the walk in. Sad again. As what do you mean? No? It's like you know I mean. Do we really get smoke and all that other stuff? Usually we don't usually. UK does. Yeah and it's and it's gotTa be like at one hell of a fight. You know you don't bring up the smoke in the PYRO PYRO technicians her for small fight, so and not to say that you know my does any smaller than the next guy, but he kind of is right. No, it's not a huge fight. and. Get the smoke treatment. All the fighters did not think this all goes in line with what top rank was to show show in what they were trying to present to the public. And they are the trail blazers right right now and bring boxing back so. They WanNa do good 'cause the guys that are going to do it after them. We're GONNA take little things here and there and. Put it into their own. But you know if I could afford it to me in all fighter that was gonNA. Fight in like this kind of like you're saying like the bells and whistles. Going your are would seriously like. If I could afford it I would hire like somebody dope that could like. Make my insurance like crazy like childish Gambino. That was all call America this is. America, go like like something like that. You don't what people dancing everywhere like you know. Whole video shoe coming out. Not. Mayweather got the most epic you know when he had that kind of circus feel that That whole circus Phil was nuts I was like. Oh Man, this is like making. Childish Gambino. He's making good memories out here, Bro. If you were their life of. Corners just stitch like WHO's the main trainer hot? Don't know against the dudes with the logo. The Spartan logo is doing Schumer Knob just to cut man in the corner. Don't maybe bring out the bars and. Jesse wearing that, can't her. Radio! Was this like a cup of tea your? Told you. Change Your right a war tape boxing shirt though. That's actually the owner Bro. That's Mike Rodriguez. I know! Oh I didn't know that was him, but I'm saying I know who the owner was. Damn. That's good. Call that you knew that was. The owner 'cause I looked at the shirt to. I mean well. He has to like Oh. He's getting sponsored by sponsor TB. Quite a few times for our appreciation is so always a big outs Mike Rodriguez in. Clubs adapt Bob to go in des Casualties he always on the back to the fugitive right, the Sunday may not leno percent. They look at cocky and. Per five hundred on him. Yeah He. He got one hundred on the because he's a plus Fathi. WAS THAT WHO? Who is that at the visit from the? Extent man I liked Jesse, but you'll auto one DB lose money. Out, an Ex models. Hundred online I think it was. Allen. Oh McDonald's. Out like to take him out round. Outside camale hold on, let me establish. I'm demand. overhand left Jay pro. They closed it in with that right. I think it was the right hook. Might have been uppercut. Is Nice shots the body. Get him going down early. Seems they look strong, not looking good shape, Bro! Cheese look a little soggy. Yes, Bro, soggy the sit they. Had To beat, so Magdaleno had to be told by his wife. Like what you mean, you quit Nah, get back in there, so. Really or down? Amitabh. Like slack. Smart might not be this some slack slack. Like when he lost when he lost a dog that he told his wife he she, he was gone, he was done and she was like what Nah. Get back in there, so obviously he's on the win streak now. He's been winning ever since the laws, but. After a hard loss. You need that you need that. You need your lady telling you like you get you. Get Your Shit together. Present any. Leno right hand, and my that far ahead of you guys all. Icy. And my son is right here. Let's see this right. He's going GonNa come and visit is gonNA. Come in and get dropped right? Russi is GONNA come in. He's going to leap in and get caught with the right. Let me see if I'm right here. Right. Be a host. Like asking to. Do said Yeah. Right hand yeah bad. was. He leaves. He led got. He got caught man. Bent over, his eyes looked glassy to. He's not song. Take that back. Who's is look he still he could be soggy and still be the much better fighter. So. That that landed flush. Love. And from. He hit A and be sent. They got up like which way to go. Now you got up with them. Glassy eyes to make should have been jumped on. You Sell Magneto. Every time he showed that was a bad one. He comes in on the left side of Syndey keeping that power spot open on that one. He didn't do it. He came to foreign, but you'll see that you see how it takes that. Step onto the outside and he can. He can line them up with that left hand. Good job I might earlier. These guys need to let the hands go more Geez Louise when they showed. The highlights of audience. A fight with audience is still looks ten times better like this should looks overproduced to me. Too many things in are back to many things happened. There is beautiful. Like. Boxing. I like it, but I think every. I like it, but when you see the audience in like spots and right now only. Highlight and you see those beaming lights from the audience in the rain. I can't even see them for real. That ain't a case the case, even the hard cores that are sitting in those. I get. Mommy light early down. CAN UFC fights. Joe, won't you? Go do signed man. Negatively. Joined the fight, but I'm not. GonNa cry for the background Yo. Let's put some some CGI crowd Ford is. Say! No you about to say that. I! Talked to somebody. And you sick people. Oh! My Bro- cheese saying Oh. Look at that. Did you see Jesse his was on the inside? He took it out, and then he came up with that left hand beautiful. Look look! Did you see he switched it? Very, that's a high level. That's a high level move from a southpaw Yawovi got short short song. Probably trying to because some thick legs though. I think that to like my man short short, but he little, he was working the squats. Yeah, yeah, FLEX! He filled me Mike Galanos. Shorts is like under the knee like big in the way. Yeah. Right now above the knee. Are, they got some Lewis shows as little. Maybe, that's got the like. Hey. Punching enough over Sunday, wiling got his lead Left Jab hand out just out there pawn. True, typical. Hands go you know being more flashy than actually. Ends while the shop opened on Colbert Barrio selling all. Bro ooh faint early. He's literally out of presence pressure, but no punches. Dumi, would you say that when you're in a wide sand like that? Defense is the last thing on your mind. Or, can you still be economically defensive about? That tells me Look I. Don't know what what what's his training was like. But if you're standing too wide your burst your bursts, your ability to burst kind of goes out the way, the white or you stand you know you get that not able Bush as much so flex. Yes, so it depends on how why staying out wide stance tells me that he's trying to load up on his punches to yeah. And he and McDonalds always going to be the quicker fighter of his legs are little closer. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, when you're too wide, you're not as fast on the I'd enable to move and do certain things so. It's cool to stand wide, but you gotTA throw. You can't just be inching forward like necessary. Just polling with that Left Jab is not gonNA. Do much for you especially, if the guy's changing angles and pivoting, you're gonNA. Find yourself in the same situation constantly. Yeah, when he's that why I'm thinking, he's dependent on that right hand. No here that's. Low enough for the power, but He's not a one knockout. Do like look come on man he wanNA. Know he's not, he's not. You know. And I think that's what the mistake. He's. He's not let his hands go at all, but as the fight goes. Magnum. Him Bigger. Nice Cheque Right. Rush. You See. How am I doing over there? WE'LL TAKE A. Job Now. Here's the end of the round. Point me to sleep. You notice by ten to. Now I will and it probably world. Probably say that as Scared, he's already respects him too much. V. Sent right with the with the pawn listen. He's in range to throw shot and he's not throwing them. He's respected him too much. That right cooked. Put them on Queer Street like we Jim. But squishy, you're that close. Not Throwing punches, you afraid. And that's an opinion I'm you know you? Can Gully, but you tentative though that shot you close already? What's wrong? Back in it again third round. Bro, you ahead of me. I still got some. I got a cell phone commercial I'm two minutes fifty seven seconds once fifty four. You show it down at Man. We on at together. The county and That's because I. Pause, I can actually fast of man, I've been posing away for your bums, Damn Bro go to like two twenty five. percent they're trying to do some body where below one punch and he holding I'm telling you man. Dominicans is baseball man. And take a look at. It s like he gets in range. You're literally touching Toda's mother's himself. Bro and he's not throwing. Ee knows the trouble by the white stands. Guys is like when you're on the inside and you gotTa wide stance. You're literally touching toe to toe with the guy and sometimes you might feel like you're too far away. You know because you're so fricking wide. But he's not doing more famous than anything about the why why? Why stances, so that he can get away as soon as his opponent reacts, his wants jumped right back. He's a little, too. Why though man and he's trying to go and in? He doesn't switch it up. He's just wide. Stance I I'm starting to feel like this is just the way he boxes wide stance, not think he's just a precaution. You take that right hand may put them on Queer Street. Did that love whose Land Sunday? No it! It looks like it barely He's trying to inch his way in though. Still wouldn't. Inches way in just frigging engine. He needed to toe punches. Committing at all the sentiment Magdalene, all you should be able to finish sky. By the seventh round. Eventually Mike Lindell is going to have to go into. He's not. Making, it boring 'cause MAGNA. Out of reach. Accent. They got the wide stance happening. There's a Lotta point polling. No, like this make mix. Mix It up getting it. Brought this fight is so wack to me. Yes slow boring. See Spar matches. It got more action Bro. This is a pity Pat South Pole left hand I mean sounds like he's really. He's really about the triumph box. To ten rounds like come on man. Now magna's. Magna Leno wants to all right. Guys go to copy box and. Faints. Raised in her, than points is for real. Helpless! craziest under call was better. Usually people don't even start at undercard man, so that's crazy undercard better than the main event. was of bent, shut up the Louis and Adam Lopez. Up a fight word, I was a great ass fight. Way better than what I'm seeing, right? And that's. Case right when you guys got got guys that are like got nothing to lose pretty much everything on the line. you get fights that man meaniful meaningful fights. Good good action packed fights, Whoa whoa not according to Bob Aaron. ooh, barbaric! GOING BACK BY YOU! Know Mary I know. We took a take on this like Oh, we're talking about how you know. Mandatory, having to put while marquee fighters in there, but you know he speaks of coober Pope poulet the energies different. Totally different. You guys still watching commercials yeah. and. How was it somebody? Give me a recap I was the same as the previous round Gotcha okay. Five Bro Yeah a lot of how. Stepping up round of fours. Touch. For knocking. Oh my guys when you see the replay again, look how many freaking touch jabs. Beset that throws it touches. McDonald's glove throws before he throws his actual punch. It's frigging insane, Dude. Like. Jesse's doing things in there that we don't get. On Jesse. Yeah Me Casino. That wild, bright, hooked like. He's GonNa foul but. Looks like he's swatting. Flies doesn't touch. Why are they showing this repeat? Play Right now the whole Louisville slugger swing, but missed many times. That's why. Touch the garden. So, he's got his. Own side. No Way. Low blow dirty. He's not Dow. Marked Off. Disqualification I. Do I'm. No Dude! He hit him in the nuts. And then you hit him with a right hand, and he hit him with that right hand before he hit and why he was grabbing. Frau phone. Are you guys ahead of me Bro? You're so far y'all dirty. PERICO save him. That is not be sent this fall I, ain't it? Ain't it? Ain't it, ain't. I just watched the. I'm. I'm here now. Ill. What what? What's going on? What are you looking at? Them. They ain't caught him with a right hand to the head, not the mall in with the right hand before the judge could. Lose because now he's he, shouldn't he should? Landau, my Jimmy Account Gimme a count. Oh! Less. Landau his job to tell the ref I got hit with a low blow. He just protect yourself at all times if you didn't know about. Saying he looking for a way. I don't get up. He no he knows is protect yourself at all. Times might give him the five minutes. They better at least do that. They better not try to stop this. This. Say. And then. You lost shot that hard. I'm. Nick Ote's. The top of the head, but it looks like the next snap a little bit. That might have caused some light headedness. Watts they take like two points from Vicenza. The twelve count. Out of time to get up guys I I've seen guys get knocked down. But what would happen though do? Know, but but okay. Let's say he doesn't get up. What is it? It's either de Q., or what else could it be? It's not at the Q.. Okay, but let's say okay, so it's not Eq- so what? Counted out. Even over. Your scores. Rarely happened stopped. Stepped into it was. There on a pause. That's what I'm trying to do me. Because they're on a pause, means that they giving a Magdaleno time, which means it's not going to be counted as a knockdown. Not. It's it's GonNa be, it's got the. Right. Can't you know why Marriot because mean fraction of a second more? that. But. It was just so close that I. Don't think that it merits at disqualification not as you just go no. On He's GonNa. Continue always listening in, you know. Bradley said it best is. You can't look at the referee to tell him. Hey. I got hit below. The belt is always a protect yourself at all times, so they are going to take. Right. That's was right, brother taking. Taking. I thought they would I know well. They're taking a point away because. Referee, he was like Stop Stop Stop. You know and there was like looking at my man old in our Brahim no that he didn't mean that. Bro The referee. He's holding this He. No, he's scolding him no. Hearts and covers my. Yes, Mike is what are you looking at right now? I hear you was close now. We are looking at right now. When you watch, the replay was like a little too beats. And then he threw the ask pilots out local Moto, they say. is to. I. I I didn't hear, but I think they took a point appoint. My mind is still dazed. Leno Kale come back and tail ESPN logo. Guys, what the Heck! WHO HAS ESPN level? In the middle like the beginning of the wral Dan. You can probably buffer Michael Buffer. Call you, okay. We back at it again action in the middle of the ring. mcdonagh looks like he's got a little bit of his pet back throwing right jabs left to the body high guard up. He probably a little cussed. Oh, they only took one point two point all. They just took another Poi-. What took another one? You are had gone ahead of me so I went all the ways I couldn't I guess. He went low again. What he me ness, we're ahead of all of y'all and we pause, and then y'all got ahead of us wait a minute. We're behind married you anybody on the panel. You see this blow I. Didn't see I didn't see it. I cut in. Straight live. See No. Oh my God. So he gets another one no warning. and. Is the warning, though you can't go to a point to a warning now looking back Leno telling the DUVA center year man, yeah, like you hit low. That's bullshit that did not see. You are. They get they get. They started to get a little ugly with now. It's starting to throw harder harder shots. They want to knock each other out. You don't want. To a stand in front of him. MAGNETO y'all relies DEVASTA- now has to win eight rounds. Right, he's got to win eight round. Knockout going now, but at least you know, you could drop Magdaleno. But he never gonna get it like that telegraphing that right. He hilarious Bro. He on the baseball with that right? So that was a that was ten six round, right? Why No! Do points the first time or one. I thought you said one. The say anything do me said he took two points, but I didn't see that. Because I hit the button I saw they wouldn't take four points away total. I said one of acting into seven. Because if it's a ten nine and they took two points that it's ten seven, so they took one more Poland. You're right. You're right, you're right. He fell I forgot about that. This is the first round the second round. or or the fit? Where are you at Yom lost man you. How? How did he pay the fifth round? then. He hit him with that. Right Hand I. You know what it was that low blow happen and like to happen. He knew it was low and he threw the punch that selling. Three points from my manage saying they did right, they took. A three point, so it's no would be ten six. Because remember, it's a ten nine round already. How the ten nine because he because Magnolia won the round Magnolia won the round. It's a ten nine round house. Agnello wins. The round, so visited gets a nine. And then he gets two points taken away. And going at it. Did show was like under the bell. That was like. On the in action, but it was low. y'All look at this get grimy. God be sent them and he's throwing that right hand. You can see it a mile away the way he's throwing I know. Magdaleno is so nervous. All you do is punching grabber. He felt that power. He'll throw like a step in left right. He might not be all the way their nest Lula grab again Paul shot or the headshot. Just what those some punches out of desperation I get this guy off me and then grabbed. Vicinity actually through. Love. God. It's like every single time. I'm going back to lateral sent they now. The sonate wild punches from day. Out He's trying to get out the hold. This guy's trying to hold them. To give me a kid somebody give me a time stamp. Twenty seven on the fifth round. Thirty three. That's. One fifty, one, forty, six, forty, five, forty, four on at fifty eight seconds so I'm GonNa. Pause, await for you. Jesus you were super head of I hit live, do me? I shouldn't have done that to hit fast forward. I hit live, so it went like three minutes ahead. Back went. To land lucky puns, bro to when I've. Yet magneto has no more legs man. He's slipping. Playing, brose net e five seconds beautiful in sync. So again. Oh stepped in with a little step in little nice little step bright. But, he throws the right hand and you can see a model where he has telegraphs at all day. Oh. Wait a minute. What did you out right hand just? He loved the button. He not have happened blessed. Row and that's how easy it happens. Man When you got a guy. That's anxious to knock you out with one punch. Bro You! Step in, and you step in the runway. Zad. Back Lane. Back a little. Right, my coach says when you throw it well enough and quick enough. To throw it. That's why I've sent. They got up smiling because it was a little flashing. Ogden stepped into nothing I'm last year. Another Point Jesse. I was wearing. The fight was over. Man is doing else the surprising. I was walking on the sidewalk. Math Baz looking the other way, and I ran into a stop sign. Kinda hit Road Jesse food out here. Bro Jesse Food, man he I had nervous with a tune of he going around with a tuna number. Already got knocked out. Dot Down. What are you talking about fool? That was beautiful, young gang. Better than that last forever game. Is Looking like you a full quick right hand. All my God. He just turned it over beautifully. European right hand. It's not you know it's like it's like. Oh, it's like A. It's like a Hook Jab. Jab Ida grab something. I don't know if you but Robert Lauder got knocked out by some by the as. When he stepped in. It's such a Sh- A jab hook that you can't even tell which one is which, but carry some of that looping power that a hook throws back in the ring. Magnet Orlando Santa and it's the same story. Glenn on the back foot man who would have known that he would have been on the backfoot considering the he's the favourite. Bike to. Where where? That's you know you could. You could fast forward a little bit more because you're behind like I was. Or our two commercials. Yeah, yeah, we took Mersal. Six round. How do you guys see? Be Sent this tank? He's still on the. You know on the move blowers. Tie Don't know partners. His score tank is loaded. Never be. Embedded happy tired probability tank is low. Go Jessica. He's fighting for that footwork. This is a dog fight that we're really not seeing below the surface. Is thing that they're doing, but they're also jockeying for position. Three hundred. Beautiful. Hello Mario. Why you always try. Trump put his fighters should trash. You said no position. And sent a sloppiest hell. Don't punches in Jesse really fighting nervous. The sent they got the sponsors on his shorts. Probably still got that head pain going on. Yeah! That's what I'm saying. The. Nets given no problem now. Imagine. Vice over this was a knockdown Eric game of thrones got knocked down, and he came back and won. He looked better. Saying, but that's tough to do A. You're not giving Jesse. No credit for Jesse would. Come back packy our. My main is like holden every punch man I don't like that Bro Yeah. You're right. Sean Porter Calbert. The same way you go to the Devon Alexander MacDonald. Same Way. Holden brought Jesse. Look holding again. SLOP let's play a game. We say how many words are seconds. Can we come before he holds again? I bet you we. We do all right one, two three or Older. Touched a floor. Rescue is off balanced though. Balance All right I thought he can't Magdaleno. Just went down this this refuge cheating for the house, man. He hit Macarena with an uppercut to the. Oh beautiful bodyshop from Jesse. All. Right NASA soon as a commercial break hits, go ahead in fast forward that one time. You got thirty seconds. Button on your controller for big commercial said on second. Coors light right in Noah. Lack Bill Right now and I yo you need a bid weekday? Didn't say we deliver. A lot of time. A lot of only tastes good fresh. They do not I will. Never get can meet a lot of. John Those tastes like trash. In the ring. Not yet, not yet you. I'm in the ring. Now I doubt you ahead of everybody. Particle is into the future rainman. Man I'm getting sleeping in the ring now. Yo take-up. Take your. Pill! I drink no big man. John Goes Sleep early night i. don't even got around quite they like. We don't want you to know when this is gonNA. Be. I. Already I'm Gordy, man I'm win. For. Beaches should be like wait. Waiting for? Now, we have forty one. Seven. y'All. He's throwing punches like he WANNA kill right. They'll knock him out. My. The Leno are known. If, not for nothing, but still controlling the ring the way that he wants to Jesse's not putting any sort of pressure or not trying to use the ring in his favourite all yeah I think Jesse's not all day and his head, because of that knockout out punch, you could be right, not down. Yeah I mean he was face down on the canvas I. Mean I'm in total agreement? Bro, he's been on the backfoot the whole fight after that. Yeah. Not a good look they saying Jesse needs the hometown crowd Busse. Young like put your pod connected with this crowd screaming. Trying to rally your fighter of now spotty shopping. Air pod knocked into his eardrum. On his back. Looking good for you, Mike! Bro Three more rounds of waiting. Likeness Jalen going on I, told you I was going to. I five like. Taking my entity Zapping me right now. My man is really on his toes with the center. The center is not even like I'm Google right now, but he's not even top ten bro. Well let me. Let me Oh. I don't know about the rankings I was asked to. Search for him because I know he ain't no tap team. He's not a top ten. Oh, big, right hand of Ascent Day! That seems like a bother Jesse. I don't know if he got hurt, but he definitely felt the power. They call them the lightning. Commie column put me to sleep. Then, look at Jesse hugging musty going back into the road. Oh. Number kwoh-ting. Quote Industry in the world. Bad man he works. He works. He worked to good. He number forty in the world. I Shit Yo bro You, will you in the top one hundred dollars, saying like a three thousand fighters weight division, but Jesse is number six, so that means the dude is like thirty four slides below you. You Ain't supposed to be looking like this. It looks like this slipped a little bit. That's that wide stay little bit also. top-ranked Jesse Magdaleno to Sichor. This overman is do is over breath. He not that he not he he. Not what it is or or is this an off night? I don't even know what the all you could just say that that we sent, they came in shape. Me He got me. He got pop. But. He's fighting a little bit on Oh. You, know you see that Oh gambling. Fake to the body, and then he still hit him with that low blow Oh beautiful, right hand from. Clip Magna, low clip the men. Helvetic shot, and then an uppercut to the same area. They does Magdaleno. Hand look broke. I. On so I, don't know what to say to that. Because he's not throwing I'm just say that's Kelly fire. That's the second excuse. He may for Magdalen or they must be boys. I. I excuse was the other one I said out loud, which was Magdalena needs hometown cried to boost them. He Li- Yo Chill cheesy. Pretty most hands messed up. Look like a dog. His his legs are pretty damn good and I don't know if. You get tired sometimes up top and you got your. Day is a bum Bro. Fuck that. He's a bum already telegraphs that right hand. It's ridiculous like he's throwing a stone or something. He's not even punch Umbro. WHO's. Trainer Man. At a must be a baseball player. And is it's not even a jab. He's just. Lentils, doing my man is not even using like what's going on. He's he's too busy. High Five in the center exactly percents not Japanese porn. I'd get hisself Paul versus ordered, but the South Pole is supposed to be more comfortable because he's used this in some Orthodox fighters in gym. Like why is Magdalena? Playing a role of other side of the all the dogs? Right is the one that taps the Jabber to South Pole pro, magnum, going to let this slip. If, he does get on point though he won this. Come on, there's no way he loses his fight. or He's the marquee name. I. Don't even mean it that way I mean he's do. They took three points from percentages fights over. He's got like literally. Get knocked out to lose like this over nothing Magna can't lose this fight unless again. He goes to sleep. He's he's throwing that that up. The middle be sent to that is to the breadbasket of Magdalena. Oh shut out the Kelly fire so now he's accent. He's not watching it on. Cable and where the radio, so he's listening us so and also in that case Jesse Magdaleno has some very nice black shorts with the Mexican flag coming down both legs then he's got the old fashioned Mexican little shoes I. I didn't like those give me the baseball field right Mario USABILITY AD. They do they give you that baseball field. It's with the talk. Is. So ugly, and then they're patent leather. I'm sorry I. Don't know what made him. Put those things on. Me and minds buffeted big time, but he got some nice platinum. What's Reyaz looked puffy? Though yes, they are. There ever less or they're ever lasged ever leather ever last. Okay, they might be Paulo Sono Puffy so power locks. Power. Pretty Good Jesse with the one that they. Had No power, BRO! Beset comes back with a Lazy Right, uppercut? Oh, here comes with Cynthia now loading right hands and body shots and. They over the top now. Oh, dissenting, bringing it, Soom. What as giving you? Look. Look out Jesse reacting Bro, he's on come on a swivel clip in one good Tom. Will, he needs to because too. Many points have been taken to. Many points have been lost from vicinity to think that he's got shot scorecard as. You gotTa Love Jesse's attitude but Barreau. You're in weld. On what are you doing? I. Give them credit like you can't wealth on you. Get Out of the way you don't stay there and say come on Bro. Know One of those shots could knocked him out. And we already know that he could get knocked down. Firkin Stop Hasbro like we say, weigh in on that. That's what he's in. He's in a comeback fight like come on Bro a real quick. If you're just joining us, please that like button smasher like that will bring us back for every single one of these You know I'm a guy. Fight Chess. I just realized that he's almost been out of the ring a year. I'll give him a pass. As last five got knocked down in the fight on an illegal blow. His laugh. I was almost a year ago. Was August seventeenth? You know I. It's too late to say that now. People are going to hear me ripping them, but. You know he's not looking, you know. Real Ready. Shots of the East Coast guys that have been up. What does late three days this week? Monday, we did a five hour. Patriots only untitled. And MP3. Version of that is available on Patriots. Ads Speaking of no ads you know we do countless numbers of shows. If you want to receive those with no interruptions from Youtube more for many of these podcasting sites I don't know what a patriotic get that jump on a fifteen dollar eleven receive every show. We do an MP three downloadable forms so that you know if you are jumping on a plane, you know just one click and you listen. You can do other things on your phone. You can multitask unlike youtube unless you're paying for you to bread. Empty two minute mark go ahead. Do me I'm sorry now, super, convenient and at. In a ticket to that, it's one of the cool things about. TV DOWN MOGULS and. Listen to them whenever you were. You know work in or maybe going out for a run. Around Ninety. Day Well. As, well in on. Jesse is not returned any sort of fire in this round. The Cynthia's running away with the just by being the only one throwing punches he. Finish strong and twelve probably good bodyshop by John Jesse. He's. He's measuring them up every time percent there I think. Jesse is hurt man. Yea Thank you. Mean like in his lungs now like Dad. Ahead. Trauma. I failed it. But Oh. He was on the floor for about thirty seconds. The sense just doug like three left hooks. Magdalena only wants to hug me. He's a kid bill. They could've stopped the fight when when that illegal blow and then that punch after the warning right? So you gotta give some credit to just. Or just simply sticking around yen. Yen Fell Telegraph The Sunday. That's his name. Man Bro. Send you a email about the punchy stone five hours before he goes. got a loading. Instead recipient. He say you are the recipient signature card Right hand received his. With no matter how. Right. Still Getting Is still getting hit. Jesse thinks he's winning automatically he got. Mommy. Yeah. He got the three point five. Point deduction, yeah. I guys I. How know when this? Guy's a tenth round. Are we getting these guys full blast or is? Going to go back on. Blacks I don't think either of them were going to do what they need to finish. Strong present Goku blasts. I'm one of those behind the y'all in the. VICINITY LATE STAGER! And they're not gonNA. Let him win those. Super as He won't win this fight if his birthday was Christmas Day. Look, we sent. That was like look. I'm. GonNa go all out to make this a draw. A tax, Yup can't even get no joy. He three point who draw. Draw because he three points zero plus a knockdown like he's Brandman. He's done. So. He's as he won the last two rounds. You GotTa Stop Them. On the floor I wasn't no lowbrow. Oh Man. This is trash man anything Jesse say goes BRO. Jesse's hurt I want to see a replay. Man This referees. You don't even see. A lot and we go. Low here we. Was it long hours low. See whole lot those i. Know he's. Overweight. It was right on the beltline, but at the ballots underneath. Shows The beltline. The shorts. Lift up, so let's get a better angle on it before we take on. This Guy Valley blind go by the. Of every play off! The replay looks low. Really low. Look right below the get mad and knock them out instead of. It, bad. Why does beltline look at his name do dum? They go by the belly button. Bro, no, the beltline, sometimes the shorts to cash like. If you might have wider a wider beltline than me filming, you might have shorts might be a little little. Laws might have stopped the fight for resent that. Oh! That's four points. When's the last time we've seen? Points and knock down. It's over. He lucky get disqualified. I know he is us three points four points. They've took own more points so. We're never gonNA. have him on the car. That's it that's. That's my Leno's exit. Many. Times. Man I don't know if I'm late. He's to win by Oh he they line them up with the right hand, but Jesse. was guarded Oh. He's still letting them right so hard rights and land up. Looking like holding on for dear life. Baghlan. And you in the balls and you still ain't brave like. Referee Robert Byrd? What's his name? Is Robert. Byrd pushing the center hardest fuck, yeah, because he buyers your what is McDonnell doing bro I guess. I guess. He's trying to get him July. But what's vicinty doing? He's not advantage. and. All McDonald's doing his showing for the Krog Leno's show. Isn't enough to win the fight. They need still like start going. Head bodies Oh. Go Ski, we know. He lost the fight unless he CAO's. And that's what I'm saying. So what's Visentin doing like? He's going in for the kill. Old What. What is he doing? He's going in for the kill. His he hugging. Fight? They stopped the fight why? Because he losing, he is saying. You cued him for that last point without even calling in the low blow. What the Hell? Or is it a low I didn't see it. Oh I guess that was. That was the clock. They fought through the clock. He made particpants reporter for this. That was too low blows third one hit him in the leg. It was watching sport for this fight. He just did he disqualifying. Yeah, he did. Stop, he hit again below the belt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying because somebody say. I called it off. Off. Robert Byrd said. You making me work tool. Dan told you best to four points. Oh Ain't give my man and ribbon. That's crazy and you know. and you? Know ribbon for D Q everybody. Even the losers was getting ribbons. Are That was? 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