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Chompers: The Musical - "Meet the Dentist"

Chompers

04:03 min | 1 year ago

Chompers: The Musical - "Meet the Dentist"

"Chompers is produced by Gimblett and sponsored by quip. Welcome back to chompers the musical. Where are did any is at the dentist for the first time? Start brushing on the top of your mouth on one side and make tiny circles with your brush around each to you. Three Danny has had a really big week week. I she lost a tooth then she had to figure out what the Big Kid dentist does and then she had a wild dream and then she met a talking fish and now all she's GonNa meet me. Hey Danny I'm your dentist Dr Rachel Time to come on. Follow me. I've got this. I've got this sorry what was that. Oh okay how. `Bout bombers chair and we'll get started. Okay so you've lost your first I I did and did a bleed a little. It's totally normal. So now you know what to expect when you lose other baby teeth. Yeah I'm pretty brave which you're rushing to the other side of the top of your mouth don't forget your molars in the back? Okay Danny I'M GONNA use. Some special tools is to make sure your mouth is clean and healthy. He might hear some funny sounds. But I'll explain everything as I go. You ready ready okay. I I'm going going to look at each of your teeth here. We go. What's that sound? It's what you're brushing to the bottom of your mouth spent if you need to. That was a scaler. It's a little tool that I use to remove Tartar. This gunk buildup on your teeth. And now I'm going to give your teeth eighth Polish St- st- what's that sound polishing your teeth. So what do you think this tool is called. Polisher that's right but you drooling a little bit sorry no worries. It's totally normal. But I think I should use one more tool showered switch. You're brushing to the other side of the bottom of your mouth and make sure you're brushing be inside outside and chewing side of each tooth. That sound is a suction tool it's called a saliva ejector later. It's just a tool. We used to clear out water and spit and Polish. And whatever stuff in your mouth so it's easier to do the checkup and now nope you're all done. Wow that's it yeah I mean not every dentist appointment is the same. Sometimes we take pictures of your teeth with an x ray machine. Sometimes we put some medicine on your teeth to prevent cavities. But I wanted to check and see how your mouth is doing. Now that you've lost a tooth and things really look great. I think you'll see that big kid tooth come in any day. Now thank you. That's all for your dental appointment day. I can tell you've done a great job brushing now. All it's left to do is three two one denny will really brave today. Do you pick a prize out of the treasure chest Chompers is a production of Gimblett. Media Jumpers is brought to you by quip quip. It makes electric toothbrushes that are designed to create healthy habits for both kids and adults clip. toothbrushes are designed to look great mounted on your Bathroom Mirror and small enough to take on the go with their built in travel cap. Plus it makes kids brushes with all the same features with quip brushing twice. A day is even more fun. GROWNUPS equip starts at just twenty five dollars. And you'll get

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64 Bounce House Bday Parties, Dad News and Two VERY Special Guests

Dad So Hard

43:20 min | 8 months ago

64 Bounce House Bday Parties, Dad News and Two VERY Special Guests

"Under category go. So I'm Danny I'm confirming. I'm correctly recorded is recording. So the editing should be better this week. You know. It's funny like I. It cracks me up because I'm a big Fan. And they there was like if they do daily rundown and there was a few times where they didn't record it and then they would be like this not as funny because the original one wasn't recorded and then you had a big post like a big whiteboard behind him that says press f ING Record. Well we did it this week. Hugh music and we are back so for anybody who is watching this on. Youtube Well first of all we are dead so hard and guests that so hard. There's a lot going on the debt so hard Studio Production the dunleavy layer dunleavy house. I am I am of any Dunleavy Danny McCartney over here we are two DADS Two friends two guys. Talking about our lives sharing stories and talking about the trials and tribulations been get will get a little closer to the mic unless volumes down. Can you hear me your name to be down on now? You're good yeah America. That was dancing at me. Sorry listen we're back but it's okay because I was as you may here some other noise in my mic and if you're watching us on youtube for our four fans he's got the audio I get questions. What are you guys? Look like easy to see. Just go to youtube and you can watch. Watch the forty start. I am joined by very two very special guests that have been on the spot cast of before route one or twice reasons that Emily Ganley. And Emily are you. My name is Poopie head lose Yeah so we're joined by Dudley and Putin had donated we had So you could watch could watch the chaos ensue on the video but Dante night. as we get into this week's episode the first thing we want to do is thank everybody if this is your first time in hopefully maybe your second time listening because last week We broke some records And we had a lot of new viewers with give free. Hopefully we're getting retention And hopefully you stick with us because it's worth it trust me and if you don't want to stick with us just let it automatically downloaded on your podcast Either way we're we're good. Maybe play in the background. You'd have to listen to but thank you And if you are back or you have not visit us on social media. Danny where can they work? If people get more from US. Instagram and facebook at Dad's so hard podcast twitter at that so hard pod. Email US dads hard. Podcast G MAIL DOT COM check out the website we are so hard dot com. Heaven updated it in about seven months. So that'll be fun and I think that's it. Yeah I think those are the ways to contact us. If you're lucky maybe we'll give out VINNIE's personal number and you can text them. Maybe I'll give you the house phone. You call him midnight. Wake the kids up. That's always a good one. Looks like I'm going Solo now because microphone Bainian. They won't give it back so shane was saying hello. I will I will the Mike. What do you WANNA say to? Danny I woodhead. Ipm This is real doubting. Can you hear they changed everything you know? Here's a Poopie head and he would you. Cpa and your couch peed on the couch. That's not good Up Up up but everyone does. So if you're back there's going to be big episode because there's a lot of talk about So again if you didn't last week were mailing out. Books were sent out. She shirts a big shout out to James Break. Well exporting Unicorn. Listening last week and you'll get going. I'm being I'm literally being attacked. What would you this? This is like we are dad. Hard News But what I want to talk about this a little bit about our weekend particularly any AD. Birthday party for Shane It was a boys' Party which is slightly different when I go to Emily's party when it's all girls Nice we're going to talk about. I'm going to share that you come it And then I have we have a new segment. Yep He's excited for it. I'm pumped we are. I actually did research my voice. Just trust me. I did a lot of research afternoon on breaking bad news and so we're going to whip through listening to this. There's some big stories that are out there. Some are interesting and Danny has not heard about them yet. We'll yeah I'm not. I'm not a big research guy. Not a big news guy If it's not in cartoons I don't know about it so this this actually I actually did spend a solid fifteen minutes searching interwebs for Dad News so blow very different stores. Google Dad News. Is that literally what you type in? I can't give away my secret. Okay all right good. I May give them with your dad that we are going to revisit at the various podcasts. Another Week of Dad Wins and dad fails Okay will you'll emily as you will see if you listen. If you're if you're good you're right we're GONNA do it And the the the language in this I'm going to strive for PG thirteen. I mean I'm looking at children so I am not going to sit in the. Wb household can easily skirt NC seventeen in our rating and three seconds. Yeah I mean I don't know my mouth too quickly from my mind so I apologize in advance. I'm not. There's no apology needed my kids. I am their father. There is nothing new to a Baris- them or speak more inappropriately than what happens in my own world. Yup as change yells at people in the background. So we'll look we'RE GONNA. I'm GonNa get the audio is interesting to see if it picks up any of the back a little bit here a little bit with that background so this week sheen is six years old or turning six five and a half so we had a whatever school birthday parties at. We would like to call Will you what are we? It's the bounce house place this pump. It up ooh okay so put up. I would say the classic blow up. It's a blow up real. It's like three boat with blow up stuff inside and like you can climb on it and stuff it's like trampolines but blow up one exactly so it is quintessentially. Would I would say from either a four year old to a seven year? Old Is the quintessential ninety ninety to one hundred minute party. 'cause you get in. Yup You get you get about five I would say just Gertie. Is that thirty five minutes in one room. Kids are running around math. That's bounce. They switch rooms a new set of bounce houses. Then you go to the third room for the last half hour trace is the pizza and then dessert a guest blow up chair. They got us to them at Davis solid. They have a pump. It up. Game of thrones shirt. You know what I like the only thing I I love those places the exhaust the kids. They have a great time You kind of have to half supervise them because it's pretty safe But I feel like at least one kid comes home sick like of your own so like I would say it's fifty fifty of all the kids first of all I I. I would challenge a breeding grounds for like Jerky but all the kids that are there or all the kids there within a week so I think unless there is a kid who's virus or covert rainy sliding all over the same things in school. No I could point for food. That's true there's no. There's not a lot of sanitary wipes and so that's yes. Emily nailed it. That's my point like you don't know the party that was there right before you like. They're not claiming that stuff off. Wipe everything they just leave it for the next. You don't think anybody wants no definitely not since too big for them to do like probably like thirty minutes. You know right on the head you'd have to bring in a cleaning crew before every single party which they do not do which. I think they probably don't even Joel once a week. They probably don't even do exactly. We're lucky if they clean it once a quarter so via the one that I loved about this party so generally and these parties. I love the ninety minute routine and I would argue sometimes my criticism. Sometimes the early in the morning. Sometimes at ten o'clock start which means by eleven thirty. It's cake and they like eating pizza at eleven but they had just had breakfast when I like a one or a two PM start once I had a birthday party there and like my friend. Their party was so early in the morning. They had bagels. Instead of pizza is like breakfast. I did not like it's like Bagel Friday for bigger. Fry better the you know what? I'm I'm loving. The kid commentary. I if if your first time listener too. That's a hard we normally don't have the I kinda I kinda dig it. We ARE ARE FORMATS. Change every every yes so again if this is your first time listening. Listen TO EVERY EPISODE. Because it's a different format every week to week so what? I look at it this. This one had a Saturday. Four thirty start time. Oh you like that for so first. I'll I'll honest as we didn't have much going on but I would. Not You four thirty to seven thirty six you against six six thirty by thirty good. When you have your whole Saturday free you know. GotTa get party at four thirty. They're eating dinner at five thirty. They're eating. They're coming home tired and ready for bed by the time. You're home at six thirty day. Just Shane was dripping sweat. Yeah that's prerogative. He sucked down one solid slice of pizza years my fear though on the ride home. They'RE SO TIRED. They take a nap week up. When you get home you're screwed for the night So this is the issue Danny local parties. How far okay. If you're traveling for cousins party and going an hour away I'm just saying like it depends because cody three turning three If he's tired he likes them in a minute. I would tell you this but this is emily. You can give commentary on this. I think pump it. Up is age appropriate for a three two? I would say Max seven which is a first grader party. What I like. I like 'cause like they don't really change things. It's always the same so like I would say for ages like probably three like you did. But then I'll do like probably like six ish seven because like see I never liked pump it up like I only like the first couple of times. 'cause they probably only change they change like one of them in like once you have. They have a new Ninja Warrior. One Blake. It's still like not-so-good. Here's what will say it's toll about the quality of people that you with. I would argue. Yes the issue though is so that's getting back to the quality. This party actually had a solid. Sometimes you go. There's a fifty kids too many. This would add about twenty and this is all dude I most of it was. There was some girls there but this was a boy party. And I think we've always had points for emily and gossip girl and we grow parties. this is one where like when you see six zero boys five. Five road's turning six seven year olds. They run around body blocking it's a well elbowing and now. I knew a number of the kids. I've been involved and so Randomly I had no problem with the watching the bumps watching the bumps bruises. I probably the bumps bruises however a couple of other dads now. This is one where when it's when it's your son's party generally I think more father show up like any mom show up when it's their son but I do think when it's a when you know it's a bunch of boys. The dads I think the walt the moms are more easily like Yo- you're bringing the boy to the boycott more dad's going to be there so this is a very dad. Heavy party US some nap before some I had not Start to see real DAB behavior like I go chain ran in. I let him go. I went chatted up some dads and then you had what I would call some dads acting as the helicopter MOMS. They were following the what following their kids around. They were being. They were hyper vigilant. More to make sure their son wasn't the one beating everybody up. Kid Boys respect that they were being very much. I I just have to be on an apology tour. It was like all my kids. Pushback you down. I'm sorry I'm sorry. Yeah it was a very. It was the first time I feel. I noticed more helicopter doubting that way than moms house like our Party. You like soccer party. Like pop. Up Store relate a running around party about say like you're sweating after over been injured a puppet up emily. I probably like fell It's it's Which is an issue like? They have these like those little cart. Things are not like cars but they're like things that you ride on that. Like for three year olds just sensitive like their their people run into them. And there's balls you can play with their own like throwing catch those usually right people. They had some party. Has They literally? Dan have like three. Who her four. They have like a little Chris. Somebody could somebody brings like the the one year old and there's always the sibling that's real young so they have those little like a chain. Actually I think I tripped over one little elephant that I was like what's on the Ground Evans. Seems like in the beginning? You like? There's enough employees with them one. You're actually in the room. Seems like there's like not even one in the room like seems like there's like four in the room that they're all spread out. 'cause rooms are so am. I can't tell you a secret of those employees. How well do you think they are? Danny Seventeen Getting their first job after like high school or they're in high school and high school school in there collecting a paycheck. So I believe I saw four girls in a corner just chatting. There was no party management going on now the like. They're not going until like the education only get like all the kids to line up to go to the next room. They're like everyone like line. Then make you run around this one the other thing. I'd like to say the Danny as I showed you video this. We may put it on instagram story. The second room this This week they did a black light so it was dark and it was the shape like the lights were. It was pitch black had fluorescent lights on all the the bouncing. Like if you had a kid. Mcshane had yellow on his shirt so I could see him in the row in the bounce houses because he's like says closer glowing it was pitch black. It was pitch black. That'd be crazy but it was dark enough that you could see. Yeah Mikey can lie. His tee-shirt light lit up so anyway did that. They had an injury ward giant warrior. Bounce Castle you could barely see side so lose pitch black I was like what is this thing usually do a new one. Yeah we keep shuffling around. That's my research for today. That's a segue so getting into the papers. Gay guys check. Check it off that we. We got the first part of the party done. Yeah we did a black lights up black lights. I talked about the hell of a soccer. Dad's yeah and boy. Yeah he'll get the boys we talked about that. I'M GONNA come back at the end. That's a memory for me. Full Circle. Why this one you have to watch on the Internet every. Yeah you'RE GONNA have to watch this one. Got To see what this looks like. So we're going to do a new segment called breaking news. I am going to hit some headlines for Danny and we're GonNa see Danny what I thought is there's four answers here anything by the way real quick all hell is breaking loose upstairs. I want I want to see the door behind. You Bust Open with one and we'll talk. That's why I keep looking. All this is this is this is real We are we are like a war zone of our families right now during this back as a so I am. I took my wife's already in bed. She gave up on our kids after as a shame when stop a chrome casting his ipad on the TV? There was emily emily least watching TV. She and at his IPAD and kept hitting the chrome cast put it on the TV. And they are you and then. He was watching my netflix account and again again. Well he's been watch. Police was today. Was he a binge watched Austin powers the entire series choice and the PG thirteen movies so well six so six appropriate so then what happened was kept taking pictures. Like you have to figure out a way to get your account off Netflix. Oh I heard that one Dan. That's his over. There's a lot of bad. There's a lot of background noise in the south so but literally I situation go. You can't take my account of Netflix snacks. Five accounts like sick of Netflix. Off or he can click onto kids or click onto me. You have the worst part is I. Don't know who stomping I don't know if it's Mary Jane or kids. We will all know tomorrow morning on Instagram. Danny if you're dead the we'll see we're gonNA survive ourselves so okay so here are the headlines And no random order but but They're crazy. We're GONNA talk to your mom and we took him on so the first story. Danny I have is and so you have to give me. An answer is where all of us. I think we'd have to say agree disagree. Stop the insanity or bring it on. Right like what? What is your opinion of the situation? You can have one so we're GONNA go. I'm not going to remember those choices. So I'm just GonNa React Jimmy reaction so I'm going to tell you what I think is the headline. Yes saying you're gonNA tell me the actual headline what I'm GonNa do is well. How do you want me to tell you the headline of the story? And then you react to it. And then I'll tell you what happened in the story not sure I'M GONNA You could read that. You're that after I so I copy and paste. I did some copying pasting. I forgot some of the headline so the headline. I know we'll figure it out. We'll we'll roll it. I'M GONNA take this headline is that no. I can't guys through this really well. Paid pretty show so Father Saint Lawrence College. Sarah Lawrence College daughter moved into his daughters on campus housing during her sophomore year. And less a nothing good came with a Danny. That's the headline. That is the story of a man. He he moved. Man Moves into his daughters campus room two story. There's a headline now. Because we'll tell you why twenty ten store to goes to college. He NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED. He decides to move. I guess they allowed him on campus. It says in her campus housing on campus housing. He moves in. Yeah who I don't know that's Kinda freaky. How does this a story on Danny? How does this story? How do you think historians? I think this story ends with something bad happening to another girl that lives there. Oh let's see emmy part of this whole game and Danny players Danny's actually psychically connected to the universe and what I'm about was that right so are extremely close so that what what has happened. Is that why this is in the news today when he did it in twenty ten? He's as he was just recently. Prosecutors indicted on charges. Forget this manipulating abusing and extorting his daughters friends and other victims netting him in the course of her college education one million dollars in ten years. Yup Sounds about right. What he did was stay at their accusing him. The abuse was first reported in New York magazine. Which I hear Mitt scheme key he He would want to read this paragraph read. Right there raise. Is that physical? You'RE GONNA Emily's psychology psychological emily's going to become our news readers she's like Natalie Morales Dad's that was a news a psychological and physical abuse beginning began after he moved into his daughters on campus housing during her sophomore year in late. Two thousand ten and started therapy therapies and quotes. So you guys say therapy therapy. What did she start their season sessions with some of her roommate's according to the end so he started in two thousand? Ten Danny started therapy sessions with her roommates in on campus. Who who would go to what emily. You will never go to therapy with when he friends. Dads THAT IS INSANE IDEA Jeff. He legged allegedly probably allegedly allegedly. He allegedly used these sessions to prey on their volume. Nowra window abilities. Then you say butter abilities and mental health problem. I mean this. This dad was totally. He knew his target. The preyed on the weak Greg. But he did he oddly. What I thought was fascinating about. It was like did any of the girls tell like their own parents. Oh you know like 'cause they don't see the girl's name. Jackie Jackie's Dad's living on campus. They probably issues with their parents. Don't speak to their parents while it's probably why they agreed to go to therapy with whether we made sense point within the next story. Well Okay next story number one the second the second story is Danny. If I know I'm going to set it up and he's going to tell us what occurred and then you're gonna say what really happened now. We're getting a rhythm. So Danny if your son or daughter Yeah you send them to school And you give them food. Yeah they don't like the food You come home. How does that how you learn? What are you? How do you reasonably figure out that your kids not eating not liking what you're packing to go? Well they're probably starving when they come home from school so that that's one. That's one way. Emily Emily what did this? So this is story of a seven-year-old Gad. Seven girl what did the seven year old girl? This is a brilliant note. A sassy seven year old school girl left her for her dad in her lunch. Box telling him. I'm not eating my sandwich because I hate humans. I Ha- humans. Human Thaddeus as parents are packing. Emily at desert a human might. God I was going to say it has pre crime so that was good so yeah it says that I did. Actually I seventy seven year. Old is in great. Emily second cigarette so a second grader. First of all good penmanship. There's a picture of the note very well written and that I think is a very I mean. Girls go to a gifted and talented spelling. She said not at eating was E. T. T. I. N. G. Well lock up second grade smelling but I mean I think I think those we've got an a dad His reaction was. What did he say goes? I asked her if she liked her packed lunch. She told me there was a note in her lunchbox. So she's I'm not even talking about it dad. She's like she's like we're not talking about it. I say emily. That's how you want to speak to me. I love it could have been way worse them. Okay yes this. There's an effort in this article. So does don't read it. No we're not saying if word or reading okay. Now welcome back Shane for paying attention he sees. Here's The F. Word might be some curses crexel. Dah this story Danny Hang on. What do you think? The reaction of fathers would be when Kim Kardashian does on instagram video tour of her. Children's playroom father's reaction boy. What do you think some dads? How do you think dads reacted when when Kim showed off her her kids playroom? Did they not care at all? Because that's how I feel about it. I actually would agree with you. I'd be like you know what she's rich. A lot of giant rooms who gives a shit? Well there's apparently a couple of fathers out there and this one This one hang on says Kim Kardashian's playroom tour is triggering. Af Man said that I didn't say the word you're not saying either. No it say the bed were Danny did I just say the F. Word? No God did not abused. I'm Jane fell on him. Then say the s word either Yeah we did no did I. I may have triggered so this. No no because this is just highlighted this so the is actually has a lot of bad language in it up there which is actually really bad but I I just thought it was like and I went back on instagram story and I looked at it. I just think showing off your kids playroom in general I wouldn't. I don't I don't get that need. I think it's probably a mother's need versus adults. Need right where you put. Your kids showed off my kids playroom. People would have panic attack at the mess. Actually pretty clean. But it's just we just cleaned up today. The argument Danny's it's normally very messy correct. Kim Kardashian is who yes yes and we like the common. I have two things first of all. Can you show them this? See this picture you know. It's upside down. Rose loves the actual. It's okay to slide. The ball is actually this. No the ballpit is on the side where you would climbing the ladder. Isn't that SORTA weird the slide be going to the ballpit point today my friend and I we praying to her family and Ding Dong ditch. Us Daddy's cardboard Kim Kardashian and put them in the front window. Love it full circle full circle. Kim Kardashian moment here yet it actually is a funny thing that yes. She has a ball pit for her daughter. But the ballpit is where you climb the ladder to get onto the top interest that Shane by I'm awake at breakout. My kids well. It happens The last story Danny. Yup We like this segment so far you like this. I do like it so this is a good one ended up positive note. Do you think what happens. Do you think the fathers when they become a dad you they get healthier ectomy all that But do you think this article says that. When you become a father you become healthier not healthier or your actual health becoming. A father has no impact on your health little. I can only respond by commenting on what happened to me. And it is not healthier. Oh Dan I eat their snacks. I eat more snacks because like I eat all my own schedule. And then when they're hungry eat again I work out less. Sounds like I'm complaining. I'm not it's just I'm just stating wait. What the options. The DAD become a healthier not healthy or no change. I like he changes. But it's not like a healthier way or non house right. No change no no significant. I think it starts off unhealthy then as they get older. I'm hoping it's going to lead to more health because we can replant sports the other on an a lot more energy to play with them. Well I'M GONNA. I'm unfortunately here to tell the both of you. You're both wrong. You're all Adnan. No no no no Becoming a dad men get healthier when they become a father. That is the research shows it now? You read the article because I said let me estimate this and actually you can read out loud. You can read. But what's interesting about this article? Is that because you could. What's interesting Danny? As and this research studies that show a correlation is not causation and like why wire men getting healthier and we say what is being. So why are they getting healthier well? Because it says after announces the results indicated being a father was only meaningful as a predictor of purpose. So that having a strong sense of purpose significantly predicted whether a man was more likely to adopt healthy health promoting behaviors with greater social support. So in other words they found that it wasn't being a father per se that was associated with healthier living but fathers were more likely to report experience a greater sense of purpose in their lives which was closely associated with healthier living so fathers with a greater purpose. Weeds out their behaviors. So industry with this is that there's this research study pat the article. It's baggy sure. So I guess I gotTa Get Healthier. We'll know but Danny that just means we are actually healthier than we are because we live hard. Dad Lives by if you commit to the dad so hard nation and you commit to being a hard dad your meat your committee to more purposeful life is right and more personal meaning which means indirectly without making any effort you will indirectly become healthier future. Life will have more purpose so you will unconsciously do things to be healthier. It's like the best. I Plan C. Probably spending more time with the kids Gerber. Exactly I'M GONNA be out my kids. I'm now like instead of watching football. Go to a park. Got Night the baby's GonNa Cry Alive. Nocco get like as much nate asleep. That doesn't make you healthy now. That's the search on builds a good She has doubtless the finally Danny. Now that was breaking news at four stories for huts swamped before we into my dad. I'M GONNA Jadwin dead sales and I have to know I'm going to talk about it. As part of my dad wins. I am going to do it and maybe win. Danny Jones. What your dad win or fail the week you have one. It is June My Dad Win and my dad fail of the week. Well I would say I don't know I'm trying to think maybe you're dead neutral. He'd be dead. You think if I can think of one while you do years The you know these segments only pop up when I actually have one so. That's the reason why I came. That's other shows programs by me so so my dad fail the week. I'm going to start my fail. Was that Shane. This week. I got a couple of Nintendo switch games and He was playing them and I have no clue how to play them so every time he was stuck somewhere he will give me this game for five minutes. It was. I have no clue in particular is what it was in adventures game. I had no clue and okay. They open the box open the box. There were no instructions instructions. Who MAKES A video game? No instructions on an internal switch. Do they normally have instructions? I played him figure it out. It's literally just like you buy the thing that holds like a CD and then like it has a little chips to put in many times richer like play like there's no nothing it's definitely not definitely not pro sustainability these days giant plastic box with like a microchip that big. I don't really get it but I know there was instructions. So I- six times. This weekend I was given an switch and and literally not what I call it. A dead fail is because I would have had. Danny no desire to play was like yeah. I faked pretending doing something else. I can't do it back at him but somehow he figured out you know what I always liked doing. I actually can't wait to my kids when they give you games is like I remember when I was younger and I'll do like younger cousins You hand them and unplugged controller and you play the game yourself and let them think they're playing well so Dan you wanNA play the game. I'm you could test that theory out in about us next six months of your kid. No I tried that with chain. They use they know because they start moving it and they're like it's not moved. They know that it's not going in the direction that they're using. I guess you gotTa do it with like a four year old. No he no. You're doing you better do a two and a half year old once. They're three and a half. They know really. Oh you're done now you you put you gotta get like when. Shane was when they're three three. And a half you got to you. You have to third remote where two people can play. Did you the one but they still did. They watch you like. Why are they paying attention to me? He gets no he's like and why is he was the only looking at the screen wreck? I saw my dad win the week was. I went out of my way my schedule to make sure I could go to school on Thursday morning to attend one of them ways functions and we and we would like to explain this in her school. They've been activities. What was this Era Go fast? Okay so basically. It's called the Wax Museum. 'cause we pick up person and then our teacher proves this person percent and then we do and like we research and like all like write a speech about them solve we dress up about like we just like them and then like This special to teacher Miss. May Carbon helps us figure out or poses so that people don't press are button because people press are button when we come alive. 'cause we're like person who is your person hope so low on. Instagram. And I did it instagram stories. She didn't look at any restores. Dammit BOO ANY. What was seventy you? Tell me anything about hope so that you did not put in your school. Biogra- something that I hope. She didn't put in the biography. She got arrested twice. Oh yeah for like violence with Stern for driving U. S. kid like soccer that was a dui us. Soccer team must use soccer team truck. Oh She's driving your soccer team truck with. Was She drinking? Yeah I think yeah. Yeah because and was their sister or was with her nephew that she beat the crap of she beat the sheet a persistent emily. Such paper sister. I thought it was a man who half sister tickly half sister. I thought it was a man. Am I thought it was her husband? And one point she listens. She's a goalie. She was tough chick she will. That's why that's why shelter. Us Soccer team win gold medals. And that's why she is number one in the world right away. That's why that's why. Emily looks up to her. Admire Sir you don't know you're over that you probably don't want it and we read that. She had to read her bio so I had to read articles about her from like this biography. Yup Yup like my not. All of them are good. No but this is. The third graders of America did no. She was on dancing with the stars. I don't think I did. I did know that I did I did but it was fun do it. So they had a they put. All the kids in rooms was an athletic kids room so so like soccer. Baseball players learnt ally there was. Yeah the DICTA interesting enough. Though the the the shortstop of the Houston Astros cheated out the Serious serious he left that out of his bio of course he did your Buddy Luke. He was the Astros Baseball player in the world series. But they did not talk about that. I was like Oh what about that You renews last week. Should ask them an A. That was off limits. Way whether we're HP's afterwards that's a different story but it was cool but I liked being able to Leave or go to work late and actually show up and be there and it was actually. I was impressed by again the goods. Meta fathers and mothers DADS. Who made we may we took? It took our time to get the right. You're Oughta Dad's right emily at the Wax Museum. Oughta TAD's not always moms show up father show up to wake my wife had to work. She couldn't go. Yeah so you know it worked Nice Guy so we Indiana are going to sign off before we go and say goodbye and thank you to everybody. There's something you'd like to say to everybody for letting you for for having them. Listen to you on the podcast this week. What do you want to tell our fans anything? I will probably be back next. I would be back again. Shane what would you say it? Every I am Poopie head through it. I knew it could call one call that that was that was professional. Shane did that may be the. I think we make that title of the episode this week. I'm poopie had not touched a computer. He's about to like Shane. You're we really are a little We have about a year Danny before Brady and cody's breaking in and all I know I know I saw Please write in. Leave a comment. A tag gus. This episode listen next week. And if you don't live he didn't like it gives us a chance next week. My kids won't be on it for awhile again. I promise every six months I gotta give that to get it out of their system. Hey I'm all for it or your your idea. I got some Sun outside today. Look at a local Tan. I'm well hopefully. I come back ten from Florida so I will enjoy. Oh the other thing is I forgot beginning of the story and it's presidents week surveys on vacation if you're listening to the beach with your families enjoy it and I'll be at work Dan You're you're you're you're off while technically I'm working because Oh you're in the satellite a down there for work and then meeting up with managing and the kids for Friday Saturday Sunday. I'm just very thankful for. My Co workers went on vacation. Cosatu's me. It's a little quieter in the office. Exactly so whether it's it's a win win for everybody around me one. You're either on a weekend at work which is wrong and I'm GONNA yelled at by my kids why we didn't go on vacations week. Two like why? Don't we just go this week? This is one of the most expensive weeks to travel. That's why we're going to go and we are vacation is tied to a blogging summit. Where we're going to the DAD to summit that's DC. 'cause I gotTa re and then there may be. That's this week isn't it? Oh No it's true weeks. They moved it a week moved to wake up. Push back a week from the original schedule. So yes it is the twenty to twenty seven. I'm going next Thursday. Night Co so So maybe if your dad blogger and you're listening. Look for me in a red shirt. We'll talk archer. The big data matinee bring shirts. We'll get we'll talk. We'll text during the week. Enjoy vacation. Peace News everybody.

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Season 1 Remix: What IS The Consortium with Danni Young

Trill MBA Show - For Black Women Surviving Corporate America

46:55 min | 1 year ago

Season 1 Remix: What IS The Consortium with Danni Young

"Hey guys it's bullish. I just want to take a few minutes before we started this show to to give you a quick update about what's going on with me so if you haven't already heard I'm back in corporate America Eh. I'm getting paid to check. Yes so The needed a J O B. Because I have been super busy. I haven't been able to talk to. y'All there may be some emails the having got to respond to doesn't mean I'm not GonNa get to it. I just moved across the country and start a new job so I hope you guys can give me some grace breath bear with me. I'm going to respond to your email. I promise you have not gone unnoticed. I just have been super super super busy trying to get my whole life together and with that said over the course of the next couple of weeks maybe a couple times a couple of weeks. We'll see I will be replaying re mixes of season two episodes episodes. The most listened to and downloaded episodes. Some of you guys are new. podcast probably haven't had a chance to hear these. The great thing is my editor. Chris is going to make be episodes amaze ball and edit them because last season I was editing myself Charm if you go back and listen to him you retail so if you love it email me at ask a truly MBA DOT com. Let me know if you like this episode which like about got it I feel like any of the episodes which you like about them are welcome any feedback critique criticism just don't curse me out. Yeah aw that's all I ask so I want you guys to have a great week. Remember you are awesome. Forget what anybody says you you rock. Are you. Do do your best. 'cause I'm doing I'm doing my best and let God take care of the rest so so I love you guys. Thank you for listening to the show. Now let's start this remix. Welcome to the TRILL MBA show. I'm your host Glacier in Rose Eight Aka the truth NBA. You'll ever know. And I'm here here to help us survive and the ride in corporate America by giving you the truth and being as real as only I can be and and welcome to the NBA show. Hi You guys it is shown number. Are- I'm so excited to be with you here today. I have some great content for you so all those people out there who are looking to go to business school. I have a very wonderful guest. Today from the consortium awesome and I will tell you more about the consortium during the show and my special guest will give you all the details. I know these first couple of episodes of really been about getting your MBA. But that's not all of this show is about. It just happens to be how I ended up in corporate America. Erica but are one talk about like last week. We talked about in not management leaders of tomorrow and if you think about an NBA timeline. MIT is like pre. You know you're thinking rag near a start applying to MBA school. What is at like how do you do that? But but now this organization. We're GONNA talk about. Today is more the next step in that timeline right so this is moving forward in time line of going to business school so this is I decided to go down the path to get my Mba. And I'm scared. I'm about to start applying. And what do I do so I want to suit talk about an organization that if you qualify is a great organization I am a member of this organization also fellow from this organization soon. So we'll talk more about that. That fellow ship means money. This organization is the consortium for Graduate Studies in management in so today aid joining me via skype straight out of Saint. Louis Missouri is Danny Young. Hi Danny welcome to the show own. Everyone believe should thanks for having me. Yes a modest St Louis Missouri in I two and one of the truest. NBA's as well okay. So let me tell you just a little bit about Dini. So then he's worked in higher education for ten years in and she joined the consortium for for Graduate Study Amazement in December two thousand fourteen as the director of recruiting. So if anyone is listening you're thinking about consortium don't don't bug a Danny. She has a lot of work to do. She bugged her now. But trust me if you told me that back back in two thousand eight. I'd be calling you every week but she is tasked with managing the organization's efforts to connect and recruit prospective. Mba students who embody embody that can sources mission. And we're GonNa talk about that more. She's been instrumental in developing a targeted recruiting schedules. Dream lying system processes in implementing new initiatives to increase applicant yield. So basically. Your job is to get people to apply through consortium to business go right exactly exactly. It's pretty straightforward awesome. But prior to joining the consortium Danny worked at Washington University in St Louis in the Olin Business School School for six years in both the graduate programs admissions and Student Affairs Department in addition to working at Olen Danny completed her NBA from Oland in May two thousand fifteen eighteen as a proud. HPC You graduate. Danny also holds a Bachelor of science in Business Administration from Lincoln University in Jefferson City in Missouri and she currently resides in Saint. Louis as she works for the consortium so yeah hey welcome Danny. mm-hmm the consortium. Mike told me. Why did you decide after getting an NBA? You the have like all these great like you know corporate gigs. Why what what was your passionate lead you you know to working gene with such a great organization as such as the consortium s a very good question relation in just to be honest it was was because of the mission you know when I started My I started the our timing being Unfortunately to get a chance to go through the consortium because it's only for the full time MBA program. But I had not even heard of the consortium when I was at Wash U so When this opportunity came up will need to apply with a director position? I jumped at it because I was literally excited about the mission history. And then wash you be one of the founding schools of the consortium is just in like a natural transition for me Especially completing my MBA. So it was a no brainer for me just coming into this role in and really try to help. Increase awareness of the consortium and the visibility of it so it was really a position and I've been in academia for about ten years. Now so it's right it's right up my alley Pretty smooth transition cool so I actually. This is what I really WanNa know about in your role like wait. Is it that you know you want the people to know about the consortium like 'cause I attended a maps event in so I figure like you're the person in charge of putting those events together right. Yeah retain I heard any team. We do have a hand in actually or a massive mets and deciding you know what hi Mary market will be in so yeah we definitely have a hand in it. So that's what those events are four to help folks who may not know about US learn more about US mad patient process about the fellowship Safafa so maps lumen in map stands for MBA application preparation. Seminar also I never knew Ya it stands for something of a tongue twister though at times really fast. MBA The application preparation seminar seminar. Okay yes so. What does the maps in it like? So a maps event is essentially a three hour reinvent and so someone who's never heard of the consortium will want to come to a maps event. So they they can hear more about what we do how we can benefit them as respectively a student they also have a chance not about the application process in more detail. Oh and also they chance to connect directly with the school So they'll sit through a consortium presentation in her about what we do how we could benefit at them but there's also many school for happy as well. Were they get a chance to connect directly with our member school reps for my eighteen schools. So it's a one stop shop. And they also get a chance to meet wonderful consortium alumni equally show who can really you know give insight on their experience a consortium student whatnot so you know it's a great chance to get some nuggets on applying to business. School decided decided was who may be the best fit for you and just really getting your questions answer into three hours. In typically one of our corporate partners may host our maps man. And it's just a wonderful event in it if you can't come we also have webinars but can't calm. I would say definitely come to a maps. is also a great networking opportunity for perspectives to connect with other students. That are you. Yeah no beginning that MBA Germany as well. Yeah so I share my map story. I went to a maps event in Chicago in. It was either early early. Two thousand eight or late two thousand seven so ten years ago I went to a mathematician cargo and I met one of my hi. Dear friends didn't know it at the time to know. Shout outs Lofton who lives in Saint Louis Right now actually but I met now at the massive And we just stayed in touch and long story short we ended up being classmates at IU and where we have been friends ever ever ever. Since so I met one of my best. You know be school besties at a maps event so you become this team of people people that you Kinda help each other. Find the answers right through the process because you get so much mixed information about applying client business. Goal is one of the many reasons I wanted to do. This show is to really let people know like. Hey everybody has an agenda in this right. Like even the consortium has an agenda in this a lot of people's agendas are meant for good The vast ninety nine point nine percent of the agendas are they wanna see you grow in your career WanNa see do great things they want you to income back and give back and help the next person like I think we all are probably on the same page pays with all of that but sometimes how people see that come into life is a little bit different and so you have to be strong in your story and what you want to do with your life so that you're not swayed by all the many opportunities that come along I'm GonNa get a little more into that in the next segment but what what I want you to tell me about. Now you mentioned this mission and you know you're looking for people who are in this WanNa talk about the consortium's mission. I want people to be really clear on what it is and what it is and what it means to be a consortium member. Remember if you get that far in our that fortunate but what's the consortium's mission I so that's a great question in essentially let me just start by saying it's the consortium is very true. Organization is on diversity included. Let me just put that out there and absolutely our mission is to it. More candidates of color particularly African Americans Hispanic Americans the native Americans in these top tier the business goals in Business so we believe the best way to do that is by pinpointing individuals like youthfully who have been champions chance for diversity in their communities and their undergraduate colleges on our workplace We want applicants might you. who have up champion diversity and so with the support of our eighteen Schools are not corporate partners over the last fifty one years. The consortium has been able to award or three hundred million in fellowship support to aspire MBA students who embody our mission. So it's two fold. You're looking for candidates who have the ability to get into these top tier. NBA programs but also embody our mission. So it's just not about. Can you get committed. It's about how have you demonstrated commitment trump mission renzo with that being said we actively recruit NBA candidates to apply the school using our comn application. And you probably remember that common application. which is it was a little tedious as far ars because you are actually applying to multiple business golden one application so it does feel a little bit longer than one application but the beauty of that the application is that it's one application for multiple schools so that means there's one application fee so you can apply to six schools and pay one application application fee? That's for some schools. That's what you would pay for their application fee for that one school so it really is a benefit it is and we he say is not a steel. It's a deal it is. It is definitely a deal talked into candidates. Who have done the research as you mentioned if you think about multiple schools apply directly to the schools? It could get quite expensive just with the case should be alone. Yeah definitely so. It's time for us to take a break by WANNA to come back to this mission because I wanted to drive home a point. So hey you gotta stay tuned. And we're GONNA come back with more with Danny from the consortium. I want to share a review that I received on August twenty fifth two thousand nineteen by Lisa Brown eight three eight and an. I'm just so grateful you guys so the title of this review is awesome and much needed and thank you. Lisa says is thank you to this young lady. I love you for that. She says thank you to this young lady. I wish I would have had such a form when I was younger. Every episode I've listened to I also have experienced or knew someone who had a similar similar situation in the workplace state government job. I enjoy listening to her show every week. FELICIA is incredible label talented fearless and innovative. Well thank you for the information. She gives her listeners as an NBA in corporate America or not as a black woman working her show is extremely helpful. Comforting in real. Today's episode owed eight twenty five. Nineteen was fun. Nominal keep going FELICIA. I support your show one hundred percent or first off. Lisa let me say thank you girl like thank you. I really hope that everything I put into this show. Oh is super helpful to everyone and it has come to my attention that sometimes when I talk talk to you guys offline off the record that you feel like when I'm on the show I'm actually sharing your specific situation and I want you to know if you ever hear yourself in the show that is because there were many many many many people there were going through very very similar. Things and as Lisa has pointed out there so many similar situations in the workplace. Ace so I do this. And I'd create every episode with the multitudes in mind and so if you do who contact me for coaching or guidance or you send me an email just know that you are one of many and it has come up so much that I have to address it in the show and I will continue to do that because you are not alone it it is not only you going through these situations at work and you would be surprised at how many times you could take one person's story sorry and just swap names and it's the same exact story. It's pretty scary. You guys but I want you to stay positive live. I want you to keep leaving me reviews if you listen on I tunes Apple podcasts. spotify Google play Stitcher pitcher wherever you can leave a review wherever you can rate the show wherever you can share the show. Please continue to do that because my only goal is getting the information they do need to help you. Survive and thrive in corporate America. Arca out into the world so that we can all have somewhere we can go and get the help that we really truly need without without feeling a certain kind of way without being deemed so I love you guys have a great week and let's get back to the show working guys back to the. Va Show today. I'm very fortunate to have my guest. Danny a young from the consortium I love the mission and before we were talking about. The mission of the consortium is a commitment Mitt to promoting the inclusion of African Americans Hispanic Americans native Americans in American business so underrepresented minorities in business. That is the consortium's soms mission but during the break. Danny I was talking about like just because you may identify with one of these groups does not mean when you are automatically admitted consortium I think you need to say again just because you are not just the just because you're black don't mean to does. DNP right you ain't did nothing for the culture and now you think us is going to get the business school on a fellowship now. That's that's not how this works. You need to be out in the community supporting in some way supporting education of underrepresented minority US supporting causes houses. That drive growth in the community of underrepresented minorities supporting underrepresented minorities in in business in in other industry. Three like you need to be actively involved in this is why this is so important to me because we're trying to build leaders who who are going to give back when you say that's right. Danny I I mean I couldn't send it better myself. The goal is to like you said bill leaders that were getting back and it goes beyond business was at great job in corporate America. You know ARGO is hopefully. They'll decide to become a partner with us are. Maybe they'll continue to be an advocate for the conservative. So you're absolutely right. We don't want to who talked to talk. We'll do they continue to walk. Walk yes and so I. I mean I had Caucasian classmates. WHO Consortium Glenn Mark Consortium Guardsman's consortium fellow Velo because they walk the walk and they also believe in this missing so if you are a Caucasian person or an Asian Asian person or somebody who's not in underrepresented minority but you are down for the cause of uplifting these communities who have been historically depressed depressed deprived in this country then you would be a candidate to be a consortium member and so yes com? Come come work with us because this is this is what we're working on trying to do. Our little segment of the world which is trying to make a difference. One person at a time so so. I'm very excited to have you here today. Danny I WANNA keep talking with you about Opie I want to know about your your first. Ob because once you get in your accepted do you go to this thing called Opie so tell me what opie and then wants he told me about your first before we jump into the. I just wanted to make sure listeners were clear about who can apply Oh consortium and its deletion Any person they can demonstrate a commitment or mission. Welcome to apply but you have to be a US. Citizen of permanent resident to apply must also At a bachelor's degree prominent credit institutions. Those are the two main guidelines that you must have to be eligible to apply but as we should mention. It's not restricted to African Americans Hispanic. Americans are native. Americans want to make sure wounds chroma yet okay. She Oh my God say about Opie or tation program but internally it's called Ok p right and so if this is a chance were all of new consortium students across the Eighteenth Schools Get a chance to come to a five day conference that we have each year in my Right in June early June and so my first appearance as a staff the consortium I was blown away. You know this is a million dollar event. Let me let me I do that. This is the million dollar event Put together together by less than twenty stat of the consortium and so yes and we're working all your to organize this event consortium students because it's a chance for them to really get a jump start on their their career search in their job opportunities but is a bit net is a big networking opportunities as well so as Felicia managing you get a chance to connect with other consortium students across the number of schools and you get a chance to make lifelong connections with with In not only that you get direct access to our reporters so this is the five day conference in which you're going to attend workshops shops seminars on business related topics but you're gonNA also the chance to attend occur form at the end Okey. And that's the chance for you to get in front front. Iraq were partners in Raleigh Have opportunity to possibly walk away. Ot with the internship offer or maybe even multiple internship offered Bert. So it's just like it will bring everything will full circle for you. You'll understand and be proud that you are consortium consortium member by just attending opie and then you'll also feel like you're in an advantage compared to your classmates because says when you start your MBA program. You're going to have that jump start on your job search before many of your counterparts so OPEC appear gives you that opportunity So it's it's a wonderful experience. I guess they will not experienced it. I was just blown away by the the pride the how some folks were nervous understandably so containing day offer so there's GonNa be some fun involved but we also have you there to work right Pity folks are no resistant. But they're also excited because they know that third WANNA walk away with some valuable opportunity to some awal lifelong connections as well. So I know Felicia your opiate was probably what city was located. It was in Dallas. It was in two thousand eight. It was doused. Never forget my OPI- because I landed at the airport and I used to live here so I had a friend picked me up from the airport and when I was waiting for her I had sat down when I got my luggage and I had my wallet in my hand and I sat down and I said my wallet down and then when she came had my phone in one hand and I grabbed my bag I left Mewa at the airport. Never saw it again. Never ever saw it again But it's good. I'm from Texas. So that made it a lot easier so I I was able to like get a temporary temporary driver's license from DPS here it. Just it was the per if I was going. Lose my wallet. It was kind of the best way for that because I actually had like a support system here like was in Arizona or California or somewhere other stay they are would have been screwed so I was so nervous but it was amazing and I made some of the best friends of my whole the entire life Eto p and I made some great connections with not only companies but like the people there and what it taught me was does a couple things on the student side right like come to Opie with the plan and come to opie prepares what. I'm hoping Danny is that later on some body logs in and they listen to this right if they're thinking about consortium or they're you know in the process now and they know they're going to consortium school and they know they're going to Opie like my hope is that you will find this on the Internet and you hear this so prep for Opie and what that looks like is even if you don't know so what exactly you WanNa do when you graduate from business school look at these companies know these companies and you WanNa know these companies. These companies companies have made a financial commitment to come in meet you and when I say financial commitment. It's not just oh they gave money to consortium no a he hired staff they have staff there. I know for me when I work every company I've worked at have been involved in the consortium in some way and and if they weren't I made them so my first company out they didn't know vows like Y'all will now recruit from consortium. Let's just be real clear. I I I lead the whole thing with. Hr so you know but that is it. Takes a lot for the people who are passionate about consortium in the companies to bring the company along and so a lot of work in preparation on the corporate side has gone on or should've Gone Elim says should be going on to commeet- you and come see you and and come find out like this this next level of talent that's coming through the ranks and so do as a student if you WanNa take full advantage of this opportunity to get ahead of the car get ahead of the game. Then you will prepare in your school will have a very rigorous program for you to prepare for. Ok P All the schools do they have you know. They'll have called innate and people recognize. You're still working fulltime. Maybe at this point but you really do need to do your due diligence so that you set yourself up for success and I. Unfortunately I'm keep a trail. I didn't quite do all what I could've done. I did prepare though. It wasn't like I in prepare anything. It's just I didn't know really who are wanting to be when I grow and so that if your do you know career switching you're trying to figure it out that's when it's hard opium is harder because it is before you even have one class but but then my second question is okay so if you serious about this how are you taking G.. Mat Danny enlighten us. Because I thought you had to take Vive Lisa G mad to get into business school. You know times change so our member schools. Now they accept the G. Mail are the Jiri so It's really a matter just researching Tests you think he will do well on and knowing that the man is more quantitative. So if you're not really strong quantitatively maybe considering gre but all member schools and many other other business schools in general accepted gre in terms of preference Literally no preference attached to Whether they want you to take G. Dramatic Jerry. Jeanette is more expensive than the jury. But in general the key to the test is basically preparing pairing and and and really studying in. Don't schedule a test without giving yourself time there. I actually did that one time. I is too cold for -sition who was behind that scoreline gave it through right. It was it was just like wow I think I got my name right. That was it but on. Will you get two hundred points for that. I was on take it but but rule talk you prepare. You know there are a lot of folks that rush into it who don't adequately prepare pair so it really serious because that is one of the components that the schools will look at Aside from your GPA. Aside from your work experience they will look at that g matter juries scores. So you WanNa make sure you have a competitiveness for were you know you're GonNa have a chance It'd be considered for admission and then most of our applicants to be quite honest solution. They take the test more than once. That's the trend. Were staying where they're taking a test for. The ones yet can be expensive but they look at it like an investment in each time they take it they get a higher score right so it either order demand Jerry but just my biggest advice is to prepare prepare. Prepare I so many resources out there where you can start studying. Just you know taken taken a little bit of time each day trying to really understand the question than in in time yourself as well so Ryan so I actually actually. I actually personally have developed like a a personalized G.. Mat bootcamp that. I'll be posting Here later this week equinoxe post this show but I it worked for me like I went. I had practice tests. I started out. Practice has like three hundred. Four hundred was so terrible terrible and I had ended up my practice test. I was hitting like seventeen between six eight hundred seventeen. Now My Self Nullum tell you about my dummy ourself so I went to take the Jeanette on a Saturday. I had it all set up. I was feeling good my test. Center the alarm the fire Dr Alarm kept triggering and going off during the test. But I didn't care because I was in the zone like I was in. I was like yeah boom right. Boom Right the workforce fours three fours. I'm almost to the promised land. I'm almost done with this Ma. Seven hundred is here in common. This lady says I'm sorry everybody. Please stop your test. We're going to have to reschedule your tests are we cannot have you taking your tests and these tests conditions I i. It took all the Jesus inside all of the Jesus inside so then when I went to retake the test it was like a Tuesday Tuesday after work. which is so dumb? Don't do that to yourself. Like such as death muscle babb. I just I felt like I just needed to get it done so I ended up getting a six ten and now and I'm like I could doing so much better but I was just tired and cranky and mad had to retake it and I was just a hot mess and so I tell people all the time like look set yourself up for success. Make sure you study and be real about it and also the nugget I try to give people. Is that understand. What kind of learner you are because if your audio learner like if you're the type of person if somebody tells you you something that you'll remember it that way but you know until somebody can talk to you and teach you and that's the best way for you to absorb information then go co pay for one of those classes like go? Take a class right but if you're a visual learner like I'm a visual learner so for me it really was about practice. His practice I just needed to see it over and over and over again and I would look at what I got wrong and then at worked understand the test maker's logic because the thing about the demand is it's not the the correct answer. It's the best answer which is exactly the way right that says in so. Oh you think that they're like but this should be right like that makes the most sense of not comp- not for these people and I personally think these people who make take these tests are evil so if anybody out there if your Mama makes these tests for live and I'm sorry with this something wrong but then I want to talk about before we wrap up. I really WANNA talk about I. I WanNa make sure people understand that. Jeanette isn't the only thing. Because I made it extends overall and then I went to top twenty school so like you know. In my Undergrad Edgy. PA It's it's like it's nothing to write home about. Let's just say I made it well enough to where I needed to be a teacher when I I graduated. Undergrad I could actually do like I barely had enough. GPA to become a teacher in the Texas schools. So my Undergrad. GPA was not great. But I got into a really good school because I had a decent score and I was a candidate and I had actual abuse that these schools are looking for in companies. Openings are looking for so king. Let's before we go. Let's talk tell people like what type of attributes you need to have to be a successful candidate for business in school. I mean yeah. I'm so glad we are able to touch on that. So you know habits. Urban Emissions Committee when reps tell students that were looking at job. OCCAS- ACACIA Perspective believe them they are you know not just having a low. GPA tests may not as are fighting on they're looking at multiple things moving application So if you don't have such a high GPA. Lamey try to make or wiktor tests for for vice versa if you don't have the S test score. Maybe your work. Experience really speaks a volume. Sue What you can do and then being able to write really Great essays. That's a key component of occasions. Well so there's multiple components where you habits. She has to really shine in the application. My best advice from a recording standpoint is really take your time with the application Particularly the consortium application because There are several components to it. You really want to spend a monk. I Aleksei filling up application and take your time to make sure you answer questions directly Injury instructions that you're following directions. We say provide your official transcript. Make sure your this your transcript so part of the kitchen I was is far is just making sure you give yourself time to take your time and not rush through it. But from an admission standpoint reps slow reps are working the draft picks you from our policy consortium on the other hand we can trap ruling extra membership essay in your mission recommendation. TATION those are the two things that were living that to determine if we want. Extend Consortium membership to you so happened. You've gained admission to at least one the school the next phase is were deciding if we want extended source your membership to you that demonstrated commitment for mission comes into play. We WanNA see. Have you now only talked soccer to walk off shuttle profession You know maybe at the undergraduate level maybe leaving your current job and they were your hands while you're in an MBA around In terms of our mission and beyond the program so being the forest organization I impeachable Middle national black MBA. Early into boys EP APPEA- or SPANTA forte being involved in organizations. That have a similar mission to Amish in. That's a great opportunity to write. I about how you were active member in those organizations in If it were tutor you know In after school program. Now you know so. There's multiple way demonstrate on the commitments. Our mission in maybe just talk about your life experience you know. How have you been a positive role model? How have you helped Combat some of those perceptions of underrepresented minorities. How have you been a role model community? So that's a key quarter. The applications will not only give admitted but also looking at the membership guidelines on Rye really stellar membership. Sat picking a really great recommended. You can also back you up when you talk about how you've been a chip diversity. Yeah that Nets Kenyan so really taking your time and and the consortium application location is has to deadlines right in there the same every year. They don't change change. The first line is October fifteenth every year the the second and final deadline January fifth. And that's every year and there's really no You know we encourage applicants to apply within the red so the major manager applying around one is essentially that your your body missions earlier from schools. That's the major advantage other than that. We get eight percent of our applications around too and that's because both applicants are taking their time pair. They're digging Strategic recommended they're taking their time with their essays and ponding of the resume so there's a reason why we get eighty percent right applications around too so if you're not not really come round one don't apply for the secret will climb early. I totally agree with that. I applied to I got in and got it. It was great and I would say I was that holds true for the vast majority of business schools. You'RE GONNA apply to if they have around one in around two uh-huh applying around to round one. Some people say some schools there may be in advantage because of the way that they feel their classes through the rounds but for most people. That's not the case. If you're a solid can you took the time you did you do diligence. You have strong recommendation so you really thought out your essays and you have a logical story and you've really told us about yourself then you know you have have a solid package put together to turn in for on the application so you should feel really comfortable in it today. We're getting close to wrapping doughnut. This show I can't believe how fast as time goes by No I really appreciate you for doing this. Because you don't get paid not to talk to me after business our. It's you know it's like I said I'm very passionate about the mission and so you as you're doing you're providing a platform In in your continuing the mission by Helping inform others of the consortium sources. So it's it's when you're passionate about something. I'm sure you're agree. Yes it's not a matter of time money issues. It's what you're what's in your heart so I'm I'm always available and willing to help anywhere here. Awesome so Dan give us Social media in how to connect with with U. N. The consortium mm-hmm. Yeah so first of all our website is wonderful can be one of the major starting points because we list. All of the member schools all eighteen member schools on our website. We also talk about the history. We have the application process opponents and there's also a link to the actual application from the websites our website is www dot c. g. s. dot org very simple And then from there was also links to our social media so we have a facebook page. We have twitter. We have instagram so from that website. It can connect with us as well and then might have remission might email is young while U. N. G. D. AT CG s amd that or so ability to email me directly or you can give us a call the numbers on the website as well. So that's what we're here for. I was staff Or people now recruiting teen gene. We're here to get you more information about this school. So don't hesitate to email or callers and and continue connecting being wonderful Like the Leisure Because they they're also great resources well in their one of a best recruiters I For the consortium along so definitely connect with them. Connect to liaisons where we're getting help at any time. Yeah Intel L. A. Friend will always be wishing learn about the consortium when you learn about Mit when she learned about forte telephone shares. Good news the website. You can refer went on our website as well as the said. That may not be for you. Maybe you know someone a coworker. Somewhere family member in that may be interested in fine in potentially receiving a fellowship is will danny thank you so much for joining the show today. Listen and everybody. The consortium was like life for me for business school. It was my life on it continues to be every position in corporate America. I've gotten afterwards has been partly early. Because of my consortium network so is that just a

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Dinner & a Nose Swab

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And because you should cover your face, not your personality they come in a whole bunch of prince patterns and colors. Five packs are fifty and ten packs are just twenty five bucks at your local old navy or old navy dot com, the navy dot com for details. Wind Down with Janet Kramer an iheartradio podcast. I am so excited because the gangs all here guys haven't forgot about US I. Mean Eastern I know I love you. You popped on the other like other week. But then we have mark to like people have been commenting asking for where's mark where's eastern? Could you not leave you go on the wind down on whatever itunes and you look at the reviews. Jamison where's mark? Easton. It's like it's they're asking where you guys have been. So I feel like I kind of need to get a catch up mark, where have you been what even doing like house? How has been doing the show early in? So it doesn't work out with the seacrest schedule. So that's the only reason that I haven't been here because I love you guys. everything's been. You know it's been of course, the weirdest summer ever we did not go back to Wisconsin, for the first time in our kids lives eighteen years since we didn't go back to Wisconsin Wisconsin for like fourth of July's or just it was always like a summer vacation. Vacation often on the fourth of July and always made it back except for this year, we didn't make it back is just it's to airplanes, scare us and some members of the family we've heard of not taking very seriously, and so we can't trust that. So which decided to stay here but my daughter was in a a musical. which was I guess commendable that they gave it a shot. There were so careful they end the temperature checks always in masks they did the whole show either in face shields or in their own cubbies. which made it a little bit hard to follow the storyline but they gave it a shot and respected give them something to do this summer. I mean Howard they like was it hard for them or is it just was it harder for you to see that versus how it was for them to enact that summer theater with a one of those face shield on. I think it was a challenge for them, but they enjoyed having a place to go something to do you know she was with a lot of her friends and she made new friends and so it was a great summer activity as strange as it was. But a strange has everything is now and they're resilient. There are amazing. How they kind of rolled with everything I mean they have hard days like we all do but in general the do and fine next week to go back to school. Okay. Oh on the computer okay. Yeah. I, think this is this whole thing is just a testament to remind all of us adults how resilient kids are right? They roll with the punches better than any anybody else like this morning joely when we dropped her office like daddy get your mask and. Without even skipping a beat. Not. You know assist it just goes to show that like we I mean, obviously, we understand the ways that it affects us greater than it does our kids but it's just it's inspiring in fulfilling to see that resiliency out of your kids 'cause just reminds you. All right. It's going to be okay I, we're good. It's not the end of the world. Yeah. When is it ending though? Yeah no actually Mike I I just got home about five minutes ago Right now it's what is today today's Thursday. when we're recording this but he's like Oh. Did you just get an ID because I had a like a little blood thing overdoses called like a compression? As you. Know I went and got an antibody test. Yeah and so I I hear they're not like super accurate but. I still wanted to go because I'm still not super convinced I didn't have covid. Army. Even those doctors and nurses were surprised. He kept it negative tests. Yeah. So I had a caught pneumonia a couple of weeks ago. And so but I mean the whole thing with with listen Milano because she got all those negative tests she had. She was super sick and then she got a positive antibody test. So it's just I. Don't know I just in the back of my mind I'll I'll say I I gotta test for that reason but also because you know we're filming a movie right now and we have. I don't know how much I can actually legally say but. We. Had to shut down again because a few of the actors tested positive. So we have to shutdown and we did yesterday you know were were you know we all have to be retested again and we're all like recording tinning and But I was in the scenes with the two girls more the two people that did and so I have to really like the as I've started like nervous all of a semi trucks will really heavy and was like, of course, I'm going to get like I didn't have my mascot because we were in the middle of the scene in like in. All this anxiety of like freaking out like Oh my God I'm GonNa. Get it into my going to be the case that's like. Oh. My Gosh just had pneumonia silly. Does that mean my lungs are more compromised than? So I just start to kind of like go down that rabbit hole and it's just it's just scary and I hate it it's like there's so much. Like the fear is so incredible with this disease or the you know the pandemic. Does back to everything from the beginnings unknown. The whole thing with what is it that Ohio senator whatever that was supposed to go to the White House and he got tested four days in a row and he tested positive the negative positive than negative. Yet, governor, whoever was like, what are you supposed to do when you get that kind of stuff? Staffer, did you see this stuff with? Michael Stafford? Stafford the lions quarterback I mean he kind of the same thing in and the one of the people that got tested there was another person on the crew that has wall got tested positive. She had corona in June and I was like you know there's reports whether you can have it or he can't have it again. So it was just there's so many conflicting reports and you know feel awful for my producers because they're they're stuck in a rock and a hard place they're trying to you know. Continue, on in such a weird time and you know they're all abiding by the rules and they have the all the face shields and the mass and a week. Like nothing, everything is pre packaged foods and like I've been living on on crystals and it's just like they're doing the best they can and they made the right decision by. Halting production sending everyone home wrote but it's just it's it's just crazy 'cause it's like are these tests even accurate? You know it's GonNa be interesting because we have Eric Winter Roslyn Sanchez on later today and she's about to go film something and Serbia interesting to have this conversation with them to on you know their thoughts about going into this kind of stuff and they're both working actors to so to see their experience with the two because you're experiencing I hand right now and. That's gotta be stressful. Well, it's stressful because. I'm like, I, just I wanNA work you know but I also wanted to safe for people but I, mean, again, the producers are doing awesome they're you know they're they're doing the right thing by making sure but it's just I just wish there was a definitive. Test. Like I that too much to ask for I feel like how is this? Like an Armageddon, you're saying that. Of all the people we got this is the best idea Nasdaq and come up with. You know what I mean like. This is the best great reference great reference I appreciate that it's like. I mean it's how I feel about our presidential candidates but. This is very true like this is the best you got the greatest country on earth. has to offer. Yeah. So I mean I just can't something in life just be one hundred percent accurate. Our. Mark. What what are your thoughts all of it and going back into work versus Nodar all those things I mean that's a really good question. We plan to go back at one point, but then everything started despite again is scrapped that planet has been no other words of going back and that was at least a month and a half ago. So I don't see us going back this year and You know we we go back and forth on traveling is a hotel safe. We did do a hotel. It seemed okay. It's all. It's so much of his fear based that I think we will test. That works just it's also new. There's still so much. We don't know about this virus there still so much these kids may transmitted to adults they may not transmitted to adults they say kids may have. The maybe something in your eye that's causing people to get the kids don't have that as developed yet. So the not. Like there's so much don't know, and so you just Kinda got hold up and wait it out and who knows how long it's GonNa. Take. I know it's a thing I'm like guys. We're going to be filming this movie like. Three. Months. To shoot issue one week a month. Well, and again, kind of like the sad running joke is you know we we started shooting on a Monday. I caught the pneumonia on Wednesday, and then you know we went back to work the following Monday Wednesdays when we shut down again. So it's like we can't even make it to a Wednesday like. I know I. Hope You know they're they're doing everything. They can again like producers are awesome like they're doing everything. They can to make sure that we're getting all tasks in being safe and stuff. So you know we'll go up with a sore throat this morning. So the whole house goes into like defcon confines mode but. Now. To noon she signed it was just you know maybe she was dry from the night air whatever it is. So scared all the time well and the ad, and it's like you know the upper respiratory thing that I do think that was what I had to like you who knows but like the doctors are like that's going around now to and know even with more allergies in August so you just don't know. But he like any time you have a symptom, you're like Oh, God like take their temperatures every day. GonNa I take Mike Senator. I take the kids mind temperature. I've journal even before the pandemic. So now you have a valid reason very. Nice. Yeah. That's kind of cool is we are adapting like like my daughter my daughter was a dance class they started up again in a parking lot spread out wearing masks, edify these businesses have to figure out something or they're all GonNa go under. Yeah. So it's been kind of interesting to see that and it kind of works you know they say that you can get your haircut if the Barber Varna mask and you're wearing a mask, you're gonNA be okay almost for sure envy at. So if that's the case we can start to adapt as a society we can't have dance classes we can go to restaurants Kinda, and so that's been interesting to. Watch the resiliency of kind of the people by. Okay. Got It. We can do this. If we all work together, we can make this happen especially all those small businesses I don't remember girl's talking to recently but in La you know there's so many little strip malls with all these mom and pop businesses and stuff, and even when we were living there Jannine, our would always kind of comments like how does this random place that specializes in this one little niche product or service stay open in a random part of north Hollywood or in the valley when there's another one just like it a few blocks away that's a completely different company so. With all this stuff like how are these businesses in a place like L. A. or New York this is so on top of each other when there's so much to choose from, are they even I would feel like there'd be empty strip malls like every other block now. With all this stuff going on. In. Here, to you know I mean the small little small city towns you know It's Kinda sad about that. He he? Not like like super negative but I have been thinking about this that I brought up as a to I'm not going to say who it is brewing. But I'm curious to kind of get marks thing because this is kind of weighing heavy on me. So I'm not GonNa say who it is just to be I'm mindful of their business and stuff, but I know someone that is on. Basically life. Support. They thought he went under for COVID. But turns out like while he was under, they found out they had he had a really aggressive lung disease like he had lung cancer. So now he's on this ventilator keeping him alive but they WANNA. Get him healthy enough to. Basically. Wake him up. So he can say goodbye and I guess I was trying to think in my head. I'm like, what would you do you? WanNa be woken up to say goodbye to your family to to know that you're GonNa die or would you want to not be woken up? And not say goodbye. Wow that is a heavy. I'm sorry. It says really been weighing on me because I'm like well, of course, I'd WanNa say goodbye but then I'm like I don't know when I don't WanNa know I'm dying and then I'm GonNa be gone. Like I I don't know if I could like. Onto that too. So I'm just like it's just been an I never heard what you thought. So I thought it'd be interesting to bring mark and on this too because I'm like I don't know what I would I don't know answer. For me for me this is easy. Wake me up. I WanNa know really because. You know I I feel like even in that state like when he's on a machine to be breathing, right his his his mind still going his soul still alive. So his mind's thinking that's like all right. I'm a pop out of this. Yes Kovic stuff. I'll get over it. I'll be fine. And then if all of a sudden he's gone and his soldiers like me and what the hell happened like I, you know died he didn't know Dow just feel unsettling for my soul to know I didn't get the explanation and they dislike now that's not wake him up I would want obviously like if he can wake up, that's what they want like rare but like he's you know so. Like it's not like they're not waking him up because of the choice Moore for sure. But just like they're holding out hope and not pulling the plug to hope that he can wake up so they can tell him he's they can tell him he's GonNa die rote. Our yeah, I want I would want to. For hope to be held out. So I could wake up and I could find out myself and then I could say goodbye. That's hot mark. I agree to a point I think that I'm not sure about the whole thing but I think that if I'm in a coma A and I'm just GonNa fade away it's almost the easy way out. It's almost a cop out on my part to just just head into the darkness and catch you later. Motion Aspect of it right exactly. Right. Because it would be very emotional hard but I also want to create a memorable wonderful last moment with my family with my daughters with whoever where I give them some words of wisdom make them laugh one last time I'd want to have a memory that they can hold onto forever rather than just watching me fade right 'cause they all go that you you know that person goes under. Is In a coma and everyone Close to him as like not thinking the ramp to say goodbye right right. So it's like you exactly it's almost more for your family or your kids to. Have last last memory of you. So let's craft a good one rather than have be whatever random last thing was before you fell into I wanna give you know I want my kids to be able to hug me. Yeah, and get a hug in return. One more time we squeeze them with all I have until them. Daddy always be there east end. It would be so hard to resist the being like there's buried treasure and it's Like I never told you the family secret your aunt. So hard to risk this that kind of thing. So. He wants to be. A wake up so it can mess with his family control my children win last time before checking out, I have a million dollars buried in. Say Down. So your kids within the rest of their lives digging up everywhere. The doctor I'm like, okay. You gotta pull the plug like when I close. Keep going. Inject or something I don't know. He doesn't pull your now doc now on I mean ultimately, I would obviously want to say goodbye like that's ultimately but I was struggling with nor do it is tough. It's tough because I would never want to know when I'm dying. Where it's like the question that we've talked about before it's like, would you rather know our win You die? Will, and this is the case in that scenario when because. Then I would know how many days I have left to cherish them. But in this one, it's like you're up your. Life, you know what I mean like not like. You don't know how long this person would have, but it's, but you know when like if I knew on a specific day I will. Rat Myself in wrap and getting bad and. You can't get me. It's like final destination. The you're sealing your ceiling fan will fall down and cut your head off. The. Way I read a book, called it both nine the end, and it's about in a world where you get a call that morning saying you are dying today. So you can get your fares in order and enjoy your last day on earth, and then at some point during that day, you're GonNa you're GonNa you're GonNa ax it's a great book and I don't WanNa spoil the ending for you both sides that question. I mean that's the title of the book but. For. That's their questions. If you know when you don't know how how do you live that way? I think I'm just so I honestly, I think like what the core of as I think. I'm so afraid of dying from because my kids. Like. You would be fine. My kids like. I'll be fine if you died or five five now like you would be okay wouldn't be okay. But like you'll survive if I died like my kids like to not have their mom. You know like I think I've just like ever since I've had jas I've just been like an I think with the corona seven like I don't WanNa. Die Like when I was in the hospital, you know for the only thing like, do you think I have covered? Am I going to die and the nurses like you're not gonNA die. But how do you know I'm going to be the one like in she's like you need to breathe. Take an axe like, but I just I just get scared because it's like. I'm so scared I. Know I shouldn't be because I believe in God and I believe in all those things but I'm still scared. Is Normal to be fearful of dying I think. I mean you're a little bit more. Paranoid than I am about it. But I share the same fears and feeling still I don't want. Kids to live without me or their dad or. mean. Steep staff. Debate you're not fit for you. You're afraid for your for the people. To your freight for yeah. Totally. anyways, how lighten this? Very. It. Here's what one thing I will say though I'm starting to learn how to manifest. In. Positive. So that's what I've been doing lately Auburn trying to get you do that for years. While I'm doing it now girl so i. Thought in my head I'm like, no, you're not Gina. You're going to be fine. It's all going to be good. You're gonNA live along beautiful? Life. All. Right. I'll lighten this up in deseo something a story out of left field got heard this one before but mark talking about a book made me think of it Where when I was a kid? My parents would give me like summer reading or usually the school would also give you summer reading. To Buck Oh yeah. My parents are like you gotta get. You gotta read it a summer. Reading as well. My kids are reading too right. So I don't remember the name of the book. But. So my mom comes home one day from work. It's later in the summer I should've read by then she goes. All right. Do you read the book a yeah? She I sit down talk about it. All right still it. So she grabs the book can look at it. And she's like So is it about and I start giving her some you know? Notes on what about and then she's like, what was the main characters name? Am like you know He didn't actually have a name. He didn't. He didn't have name. And she's like really you didn't know they went through the whole book. He didn't have a name there's called him him or he? She flips the book over reads the back like summary of the book on the back of the book. It's like Oh. It shows right here his name is Danny like. You didn't even read the back of the book. Sitting here, lie to me and not even read the ten words on the back of the book that say to me being characters names like Danny I was like. You got. Like. Ten years old. My. Bad. Classic what do you do mark when when you cut your kids in ally now it's weird. The you say that because it happened in the last twenty four hours. Oh. Wow. My kids are not allowed to bring their phones into the bathroom that seems like a very reasonable rule. Is it for Southie purposes? It's for all purposes. There's just no reason to have it in their like this arouses. It's gross. Shouldn't be doing any kind of selfish pictures videos, anything in there you want to be in the habit of having to have it with you when you're on the toilet like Nice. Let's just not do that that you gross. Well, that rules violence last night she says, it was an accident whatever the bottom line is she lied about it. So now we have a problem and she's crowded for twenty four hours, but the issue is. That instinct that initial instinct to lie about it because you told would have been easier if you hadn't if you'd told the truth in the beginning, it would have been allowed easier. So I don't know how to divert a person when they're first instinct is to lie. Well, we should probably get someone on that can help us like a child therapist because I really would like to know because of the situation like when you're kid and then you know you can get some other parents in Eric Winter Roslyn Sanchez and well actually there in the waiting room. So let's take a break in. Let's get him on. As apparent worrying is in your job description. But what are the right things to worry about we'll ancestry health can help cross a few things off your list when it comes to your family's inherited health risks. So you know what needs your attention most with their most advanced genetic testing technology next generation sequencing ancestry health is not better at determining if you're at a lower risk for some. 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Like we said, we wanted to other super parents to join in on some of the topics we were talking about and they have some exciting things going on. So let's welcome Eric Winter and Roselyn Sanchez. Lyla okay. Because we started we were just talking about. Corona and everything going on. So I'm on a I'm doing a movie right now and we had to shut down because of some positive tests. and. So I've just been like semi freaking out and I'm like Oh my God did I have it? Am I gonNA, get it you know and I heard that you guys had it. So what were your symptoms? How did you get it like I just I need to know. We don't know how we got it I. Super Careful. Yeah. Super crazy super crazy care fall and then. the little boy had he's two and a half. He had a fever one night. The day before the nanny was like came to work with like allergies you normally like less us like I don't feel well I think I have allergies but we didn't think anything of it because she's super responsible and works here all the time. So we're like, okay the next day dylan gets a fever. Sunday the daughter gets a fevers or not. Both kids have a fever now not sniffles no not. For Twenty four hours. Yes. So I was like I'm not happy about this. So I texted the nanny saying a, how are you feeling because it gives up a fever and she's like you know what? I'm not feeling great I don't think I should go to work Monday. I'm going to the Cova test. We're sitting denial thinking it. It's not covert. There's no frigging way. We're so careful there's no way this done. Fast forward to Tuesday she's positive. Then by then I am wiped out in bed fever. and. But everybody's positive range with completely all over the place. So our nanny was probably never more than I got. A solid cold. I. Got Symptoms the same day she did. But later in the day I was never worse than like a solid cold. Now, the nanny diarrhea and they didn't know fevers us through. That doesn't make you think Kovic you could have a at eight something badly. Her symptoms were mild she was in the hospital no breathing issues Myla's he was MS was pretty mild. The kids were over whatever symptoms they had and twenty four hours. My mom got it. Zero symptoms completely asymptomatic she's going to be seven next year had pneumonia last year so she should be super high risk totally symptomatic. And then Roz has like. I would say like a solid. High end flu. And that was like the extent of it or I really bizarre. I mean you dig it the bad loss of taste I lost like when they tell you, you can taste or smell anything is no joke zero. Out Zero to the free zero, it freaked me out I it it. It is the most disturbing like nothing nothing. Then you don't want to eat not for the for the for three days. I didn't eat. Then when I started eating I keep telling Eric. I can taste anything I feel like I'm eating nothing. It is the most bizarre symptoms to me I mean besides a fever on the body aches miserable but the taste. Was Control. Here's what I will say the testing system is a mess all. Thing is it's like the one girl that tested positive. Had IT in June the other one like you know. She has zero symptoms. The one other one has a stuffy nose. So like okay maybe but it's just I feel like you're there's so many false negatives, false positives like I like you know. When working on a movie to them Rosalyn you're about to leave for you know five weeks issued a movie. It's like someone gets it's like you have to shutdown and then you're just like left worrying like when are we going to like finish this? You know I know well my so. So what's what? What other telling you? What is production telling you? You should download one can you come back two weeks Well, it depends if they get if the people get to more positives than we shut down for fourteen days but if not, if they like if they get two negatives in a row than we can go back on. Monday so it's just It's a waiting game. Do they nasal swab with you guys. Yeah. So that's the most accurate that we've found because we did a bunch of we did nasal and we did the oral saliva even bloodwork you did because of. The Finger Prick Finger Prick says I've never even been exposed. So that's how. INACCURATE STATUS I'm perfect I'm perfect with the fingerprint. Saliva I had it once didn't have it to other times. and then with the nasal swab had yeah, it's. Fusing, thousands and thousands of people doing these like the oral SWAB IN LA and they're all probably being tested negative and I guarantee you twenty five percent of our positive. Well. That's crazy. It's just like the fact that whether it's the governor of Ohio or US or anyone getting tested the fact that is false negative It's probably a false positive. The fact that false negative positives being thrown around that much gives me no reassurance at all because Janna our. Story actually almost near where you guys were saying about the kids because I can week and a half ago. Same thing our daughter comes home runny nose has it for two days then our son gets it same thing nothing more than runny nose than Janai, a week and a half ago. Get it. Mine was like you eric like a cold always good after twenty, four, forty, eight hours was good in Janna. Hers Ends at turn it into pretty much pneumonia. And she was like going to hospital and was they actually had cut three days of production last week because her. Okay pay your. Hey, you are blaming the cova face. And even became even get a full week as three days in the to cancel because of her and now this week you get those people they test positive for Kobe they haven't even been able to get through a Wednesday yet. Shows. Negative Times in even the. Think you just had like a cold or flu. I don't know even the doctors and nurses were. Surprised that she got another negative test when she was feeling that bad. Yeah. I, ain't got an antibody test just to see even though I know those are accurate to just to like slee blood. Yeah? No that's supposed to be moved the most accurate. If you draw blood, I'll say. I get into days. Okay. So then you'll know because you've never been exposed than you were definitely negative. That's crazy polk but how okay. Can't this me so much anxiety like doesn't it? Or. Is it just me? It's Making a lot of money off these tests. Is. Making. A lot of money off these tests because I'm telling you all these city tests. Half for bogus. Go to money I have to go to what is it not Rondo and I have been quarantined for two two weeks inside a hotel room. Oh, I cannot get out if they catch catch, you write a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollar fine. The bring all the food, your doorstep, and leave it there. They have to order like this. There's a PA charge and then he'll bring me or she will bring me breakfast lunch dinner. We'll leave it at the door so I can grab it and as but what can I go to the gym one day kind of his absolutely no contact your inside the room for two weeks I'm already freaking out. That sounds like this sounds like vacation. Sounds like this. I dig. Love I I. Love with the first two days but then I'll be. Closer for become. same girl I would be like that sounds like jail to me like Oh. My God. So claustrophobic like I'll. Oh I know you know what Eric would you WanNa do that? Are you on my husband's CIDER? Would I be fine with two? I distrust Alec. Kids thinking about. This this guy is I do. Yes. This is the guy that can not still in our in a hotel room for five minutes. He will make himself busy with rubbish with nothing you're just to go out and do whatever. So there's no way you're going to be to be two weeks inside our hotel legal. Crazy. Myself for it and just get a bunch of things have been binge watch and very you're. You're going to go Wendy leave for that movie. Monday oh, my goodness, and then so you're GonNa have the kids then Eric. Of the kids are. My Mom's down the streets all have a support system, but then I start work mid September. So that's GonNa be I'll see you guys go back to filming tail. Yeah, which I don't know how they're what they're gonNa do in that situation. I mean there's GonNa no real quarantine. Then, we tested I think every couple. Days Yeah. So it's it's Monday Wednesday Friday. So you can't go past two days of not getting tested. Oh My. Shove your nose every two days now. Well, they'll do this alive I. Think I. Don't think. Oh. Oh. Oh yeah probably get. Here just like. Here you go and then like there's no I feel like this. This is kind of. Silly to say but like they just they kind of go up in your nose like they don't even tell you their name like they don't say. I didn't even know you like I. Feel. Like I'm less than tears. Away. I feel so I. I all right you at least tell me Your name. Well my goodness hate it. Did. They separate your trailers and stuff because I've heard that we're going to have one separate trip for makeup one trailer for hair they're gonNA have plexiglass shields between each station. Yeah. So I mean everybody has to wear the face shields end a mask. It's all like prepackaged foods you can't So like there is no catering like it's just Mike uncrossable crystals so I feel. Like in five again. And then more incredible. I've ever had the one day I told Jeremy because she was coming home poor thing because she's a picky eater tells like all right I'll make you not that I'm a picky eater I. Just I don't really I'm sat like I don't like the healthier foods like I. Don't like the heavy mashed potatoes and I'm like I just would like a nice salad with the grilled chicken you know and so so the first day I'm like I'm GonNa pack you like a construction worker like cooler lunchbox. Had everything like proud of it a grilled shaky and all this stuff ready for her in that sedation leaving because she comes home that day sick and I have made it for saying no. All right. So you'll better in quarantine though have how were you guys like? Did you did you get into a groove or you guys feisty and I mean obviously, I, know the feistiness there with you bay. But like were you was there any bad fights or how how were you able to control the corn teen inside the house? Yeah like the first few couple months were great. We're like, wow, this is fun with the kids like it was. It was actually good. The first couple of months. Then we had a couple of months where. The the fan that was kind of a rough couple months. Yeah. Just like the communication or what was it? Eric had two surgeries. One low back surgery on a neck surgery while we'll do in the quarantine. And he just very massive surgeries and he gets. A little bit impossible. She likes compassion. I let what did you say compassion I do compassion because you annoying. So that's the problem. That's the problem. If you were nice I, tell him. You know what Eric do you have to learn something and has been fifteen years in Houston getting it when you go into a home mode? Where you're going to get is a lack of compassion. What if a home? I'm curious. He like Moody and Snappy and Economic. That be babe you just went through a couple big surgeries I understand why you're moody. Let me figure out how I can make you feel better or We're supposed to read your mind. Exactly, I guess so right. No no listen. It's the first one was great. Then he had his the health issues and I. and. I have. You don't WanNa yeah I have a issue. It's been. It's been like a really. Searching. soul-searching thing for me to comprehend why not more compassionate what he's. Going she's paying the world shuts down. No, I will say. It. No I am I know Michael is like putting up like that the the thing is is I feel like when I might be generalized but when when men get sick like when Michael Gets, sick? You know he doesn't he just he's dead he's in bed. He can't function and I feel like when I when I get sick I still have to do things. So I feel like my compassion level isn't as high for him because I'm like. Why don't get the luxury to stay in bed and you know and and do whatever I I did this last time you do the thing is is I'll get sick once a year. And it down and out. When you're saying I, don't feel good every fourteen days. It's really hard to be compassionate to when I hear that once a month. But once a year and I'm sick. Yeah. Daddy wants to lay in bed for day and left alone. I can't I can't with you. Know. Women, we are more. We feel more. You know like I'm very in tune with my body. So if my ovulation is strong, I, want to be mad when I get my period I WANNA be bad. No I don't know I. Don't how do you guys rebound from like because I know for us t like we kind of went through the same things like ups and downs of quarantine, and it's like, what is your way of? How do you guys get off? After like three or four rough days then we get up one morning and we kind of like apologize you know we we started cadillac apologize then maybe he tries to be a little tighter. No. I. Am I have no problem saying, sorry, Mike, I'm sorry and we the more of the talker you're less of the communicator too much of a talker. And then It's a it's a great eventually. After a few a few I mean, we talk it out right away that we kinda like have to feel each other out energy wise for a couple of days, and then we start talking about it more a few days later because he realized, we're all trapped. We had two kids. So you got to work through it, and then the talks go some of them are very beneficial and some of them are very enlightening and we are able to understand this view but that's Out of five talks maybe. To our that lovely. The other, the other three. The other three three. And we make it work through humor. I, think at the end of the day you know what? I just don't pay attention to to him. So what happens is I I'm very black and white. You know when I'm done with the conversation because I think we we already established points and unclear I we can stop. Eric is what a psychology? What do you have a degree in psychology? so He's all about. I don't know he's always about the mind. To, him is very fascinating to talk about a fight noticed with my feelings and he talks and talks about the same thing over and over and I said, I got it already tired of having the same fight over and over and over now. But I don't know if that happens to you know when he repeats himself over and over again I go from understanding. To nominaux aid. So I hear you but it's your now Mike and the situation I'm now Eric because. Even today we had a we had we were we're fighting and You know we were in bad. We started the talk at. I don't know what time was it. Early morning seven and we finished it around noon. So like you know it was, but it was one of those where like I I repeat myself because I, feel like he doesn't hear me or he doesn't empathize with me and so I keep repeating until I feel empathy and you know he's like you're annoying I, get it but I'm like but. Are you saying the same thing over because I'm like because I don't think you understand because you weren't empathizing with my feelings. Down also I'm just a beaten battered dog finally realized like, okay. I actually hear you. Now after our five going in circles you got like my white flag waving here's my empathy. With Eric at the beginning he was so big like. You have to say, sorry, you have to apologize and when I when you don't think you're wrong or like I don't think I did anything to apologize for it will give me a really hard time to comprehend why I have to back down on apologize I haven't done anything. But just because I agree with, you doesn't mean that I'm bronx now like after fifteen years of this, I just go limits am fricking sorry and he'll get over it very. Everybody has their truth of the situation you're right so If you did something that offended me. And I. Done. Relevant. Relish to fight whatever that bothered me. It's easy to I. Understand you I understand what I did. I'm sorry for that. The wrong. I. Didn't do anything wrong in your mind you didn't do anything wrong but in my mind you did. I think he can go both ways where you could just apologize and find the common ground. Apologizing doesn't have to admit fault. Break again sure. I'm sorry Oh. Well. But here's the deal though if I just say, I'm sorry he doesn't. Go, Hey. Go ahead I but. He want more of like. Because when Janna says when I have to apologize a Gina, it's gotTa be I'm talking you turned on the lifetime movie like I gotta be down and like honey I'm sorry like I could be hired as an actor maybe because of my apologies they're fantastic. That's not her SARS like, Hey, what's up? I'm sorry all right pat on the butt and they're like walks out the room and I'm like now no, no no. Not, at all US hey, I love you has a podcast that you're doing, right? Yes schoolhouse sad is that so it It's a lot of fun and you know it's funny I just did this. Thing for the Latino market this this show this morning, and they were asking me like how do you get out of the and I said, you know what it has become like a therapy session. You know because we we talk about a lot of things that are kind of like intimate no-one and and we are real and we have worked out arguments. While we do the podcast with a lot of humor you know and at the end, it is very refreshing and we actually go get all though that was fine. That was good. That was. Awesome good for you guys will with that and we appreciate you guys coming on ours and kind of doing the same thing with us so. Rosalyn thank you guys so much and. Take a pay marriage is marriage is a good fight. Okay. We can do this. Yes IT IS I. Thank you. Thank you. The great thing about podcasts will they're physically distanced. What else is fun in great for physical distancing will old navy face masks for the family. 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So we've earn our stripes to it's just one of those things it's week accept each other we accept the marriage that we're in and we're just going to keep working at it, and this is our families, our life they say. Hey Mark. Do we have any emails? Sure do this from tracey my boyfriend and I've been together for almost five years now living together since April. Last week I opened our shared laptop and saw that he had left open a live cam girls site and there was still a message from one of the girls from when he was laughed on lines used referred to him as baby and my love he had not replied because I'm assuming you left for seeing it but look at his account it says he's a VIP member status. So I think he must be going to the site and for Webcam sessions often. When I confronted him, his defense was that he uses it as personalized porn and all guys wash poor i. told him I think it's form of cheating because of the intimate conversation sexual interactions with other girls. He argued it shouldn't matter because he never interact with the girls outside of their sessions on the website. They don't know into this real names in the discussions are in no way serious. Ultimately, he said he doesn't agree but he will deliver US camera websites because it hurt me should this count as cheating you all guys really watch porn how can I trust these going to stop going to these websites instead of just making more of an effort not to get caught. I'M GONNA. Let you guys take this on. This is really directed towards the dudes. The only thing that I can really say is if he's opening open to having something on a server, like a covenant is which is A. the service for basically people to stop watching porn what they market for safe browsing. but not sure he would you know. I would recommend that to a if you are serious and he's in, he's open to doing that for your safety but we're all I really got on. This one was saying he would no longer use cam grow websites. So yeah, Houston's not saying porn true and it doesn't look like she. Like if. Users Watch. Seem like she would necessarily have an issue she thinks. The personalization of the CAMCO websites she deemed US cheating which I would agree. Mike, what would you think? His it cheating I don't I think you need to lay down your proper barriers, your upper limits, your proper but you're agreed to barriers because it's not I. Don't think I don't think he cheated necessarily because his mind wasn't cheating unless he was purposely trying to keep it from you which it sounds like he was really bad. If you was I would say now that you know now that he knows how you feel about it. We could. Start fresh right. And so now be cheating if you did maybe cheating betrayal of some sort if he did it again. The question is, can you trust him again? The question is, are you going to be constantly checking his browser history? Is he going to feel like he has to hide things from you because then you're going down to really bad road, but if you feel like he serious. 'cause at a Lotta guys will do that. They'll say Okay. Fine I don't agree with you but I'll do it anyway. They're just GONNA go right back to it. There's going to hide it from you because they don't see anything wrong with it. What they need to say is that respect your opinion and they understand how you feel about it and therefore they're not gonna do anymore because I don't I don't trust that he's not going to do it anymore. I think he's just going to hide it from you and you can't live that way. You can't live. He might be doing if he's out of your sight. And I don't think something like an is. Is something that he would be open to? Yeah. Well, for sure because like two Mike's Point you like he doesn't say he just WANNA stop watching porn. He just nothing to do cam girls. Mark I. AM curious though just because I I just I'm curious what what defines cheating to you. That's a good question because there is certainly gray area. There I think if anything. Because I think. That is a real person and it is real interaction. It's not physical in it's not like the touch like actual touch but it's still just when you said it wasn't she I'm just and I'm not I'm cigarette you I'm not saying it's not I'm saying every relationship is different Cher are women that love to watch cam girls with their man I'm sure. So are they gave a relationship was different is just about establishing parameters share. It with a shooting or not I think it's up to her and she clearly sees it that way I get Mike. What are your thoughts? Yeah I mean to Mir what Mark said they need to have a discussion on their boundaries around it that way. It is fair because my fear is say he does actually get off camera websites and then he leaves up. 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Gaming and Digital Learning in STEAM Education

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Gaming and Digital Learning in STEAM Education

"You're listening. Kids. Innovative, cutting out steam education, science technology, engineering each month, just bigger from -education industry to share idea insights and technologies this educators, and teachers trends and his and provides for parents wanting seem beyond fund for the. I everyone. I'm your host Danny and your co host today. Thanks for tuning into this episode of our podcast. So April was super busy month ideal kids we had visitors in and out of our headquarters from all parts of the world for discovery days. And we had a major makeover of the corporate office, and we had a successful hands on training week for new franchisees. It's always so expiring in mazing to sue people at the lab working on scene projects in action. We had a group of four or five new franchisees office. They were busy for week. Just doing some hands on work with some of the staff members here, it just it's been very bleeding all about Cody Rick deal rooms, everything you've been it's been really busy in fun and just a super exciting time for us here. And then the last week of April, Danny I got involved in something that was giving back so together she and I went to. A tartar school here in Huston and will sit with teaching some interview skills in hosting some mock interviews, Danny guests. Yes, it was very for me on a personal level is very exciting to to get to be involved in that interview process. Many of the students is their very first time even trying. Mock interviews and working on their interview skills. So it was a really really great fulfilling enriching experience for Vernon myself. Yeah. It was awesome. We reviewed some resumes taught interview skills communication skills and just overall it was phenomenal to see kids so young so dedicated to their future in in what they want to pursue even as juniors in high school. It makes me super excited for their future leaders for sure yes. Alrighty intimates episode out like to introduce you to a longtime team in Brad ideolog kids. He's a curriculum Neider game designer in also an instructor four campuses and on site locations. He's been teaching designing steam curriculum for five years he Walker cume high Walker trouble here. Thanks for ponding on any for joining us really excited to hear what you have to say. So today, we're discussing props are really contentious or controversial issue. It's our gaming the sewed. We're going to be talking about, you know, how always essentially have a relationship to gaming, right? I I mean, I don't personally game. But my brother does I have a niece, you know, who who is in touch with. I uses devices Vernay do you game act personally game in also have nieces and nephews who have had tablets Famer born like they're literally pet generation if come a bit grown up with the ipod. And then Walker I know we'll we'll get into this civics of year year background in game design in your personal relationship to cheer little bit about you. What did you study in college in college? I studied game design, unfortunately at the time. I graduated was unable to find a job that would be able to fit my skills and study right away. However over the summers before that over the summers, I spent away from college. I would teach a group of kids at a tennis country club dacha. That's where my supervisor recommended to me that I try to take up teaching and he was the first person to ever recommend that to me. He saw Hollowell house working with the kids, and he approached me personally aside and brought up to me that I should consider teaching. And that's how you got your start with the allow more or less. Yes. He brought this up to me back in twenty twelve which was about a year before I came to Houston. Okay. That's funny to me that that someone recommended that to you because I've seen you teach a few times just so natural really of such a great way of relating to the kids and getting their tension. And I would have thought that this would have been a no brainer being with it for five years certainly helps. Really? So walker. That's super franchise interesting. But why did you choose to go into steam, education wise, Steve well said I've studied games on calling before. But I also studied a lot of other things relate to tech including digital advertising audio production, so working with tech was just my thing. It just felt right to work with it. Yes. So you guys in addition to being teacher. Walker is also a curriculum writer here a mirror deal headquarters. He works very closely in conjunction with me Walker. What does a typical day look like as the curriculum developer here. Well as a right of the process differs between the different subject matters. I'm giving. Yes, I'm given to work with things like three printing. Minecraft macho up which is an offshoot of coding. There is stop motion animation of form of movie making there is an advanced level of movie making so wide variety. Of tech related things. Like a whole. Yes. Laki does it out? All right. But it all starts with research of sorts, depending on the subject matter. I would have to look into certain things, for example with three d design. They give me this subject matter. I had to do bit of research in that subject matter of one of my more recent pieces that I had to write for was three D, printing and medical science, the things I would have to look up included. But wouldn't it be limited to prosthetics? The replacement body parts case ever lost one of them. There would be replacement organs while the three D printers that we work with do not bio print, which is actually print out material that resemble skin organs. We would replicate small scale models of that stuff that's part of the lessons. Just thinking about this Valgy telling us about a just take my mind. Directly to the new way that at tech is changing classrooms and changing teaching styles. Just one of the most impactful ways that has changed classroom in general is by introducing lessons than empathy in focusing on social impact in new engaging ways. And ideally, that's one of our core values, and our main focuses so just thinking about taking a three d printing biology class to teach students how they can help someone or pack. Someone else's lives is really really cool that kind bodies who we are as a company in his people for sure for sure it definitely is a great example in how we can integrate those lessons of in empathy in how can focus on social impact. You know, we also have like entrepreneurship classes that that focus on that as well. So Okker we heard a little bit about what you do here with within the corporate office, and your and your curriculum writing. But as you mentioned as we mentioned before you were also teacher. Are you are teacher? In addition to that. Is there one subject that you prefer teaching over another for me? It's the micro modding. Okay. So what about mine craft modding d love soon, their reaction to something real cool show up that they wouldn't normally get to see for example, you could just have this creeper. Normally, he would just stalk you blow you up, but with my chromatic, you can do something such as if you poke them you get to send them flying far away. I think okay, let's back up a little bit. Because I I have a cousin. He loves Minecraft and a little bit about creepers, but deep think you could give a little brief intro about what is fine craft and what it means to mod, right? Well, my crutch was first released to the public in two thousand nine built off of the Java game engine. Okay. The creepers this human sized green creature thing. Green blocking thing. Yeah. Who is a bit of trivia, he wasn't. A meant to be in the game. He just happened to be mistake. But then everybody came in loved him for what he does. Which is he sneaks up on players when they least expect it will blow up on ya. Well, so he was a happy accident. I guess more or less Minecraft. I didn't know that cool. It's so cool. So how do you utilize Minecraft, you know, within within your curriculum as a way of learning a mention the macho of, but that's just part of what I do another thing. I can do is with this one particular group of kids they especially joy this. But I incorporate world lessons into building the first time I thought that it was about building important landmarks and world monuments telling them about that after that session. I had to learn how to evolve that. Implement more subject matter. So that's why the side maybe I can teach about history have them recreate less of history, and my cry by building relevant topics or structures of one that comes to mind is the attack on fort McHenry. This was the event that inspired Francis. Scott key to write the national anthem when the British were tacking it he fell asleep during that event because he was held prisoner by them at the time. But when he woke up he saw that the fort was still there and most importantly that. The American flag was still there. And again, that's what inspired him to write our national anthem. So in addition to teaching about geography in landmarks, I mean, you you only have a few, you know, certain number of landmarks that you can continue touching upon you to keep it fresh you start. Introducing these history lessons crack, cool other subjects move for with included a famous literature. Oh, one that comes to mind is from Fahrenheit four fifty one. The story where books are outlawed and anyone found with a book. You gotta burn that old house down. Yeah. So what I had the kids. Do there was they would build their own house. But there would have to have a secret stash of books kept somewhere. And what I would do is after enough building time, I would go through the houses. And if I found those books, well, gotta burn it all down. I'll have to burn down the entire structure would. What age group do you focus on? Or does this focus on a wide variety? Or is this all younger kid, this particular age group of work with teaching this kind of stuff usually second up second grade up allow in building these structures and these landmark within within Minecraft? Yes. Wow. Okay. That's amazing. I mean, I didn't even read Fahrenheit four fifty one until high school, I believe and to to be introduced to literature like that second and third grade is is really amazing compared to traditional ways of teaching. What are the some of the limitations on like video game based design? The listen plant is always good as the game itself. My crap thankfully, has a free building create a mobile. Learn can build whatever they would like to an open world, and they don't have to worry about getting harassed by creepers and other enemies in something like virtual field trip compared to a normal field trip. There'd be more than just putting. Objects for display you would have to have this deeper level of interactivity involved as well. Gotcha. So within your lesson plans? Like, are you seeing is it more like individual growth per student, or you know, some sort of teamwork or communication that they're working on together move lessons, mostly individual, okay? Going back to the limitations bid. One of the limitations of often had is not having a stable internet connection because while my does allow for local area network connections, the internet and some of the places of work with is not the best which would not allow for such thing. However, I can implement group based learning in the fact that they get to compare their works with one another saying how they picture what I try to teach them. Let communication constructive criticism and feedback and just kind of relying on on someone aside for for some help bright. Gotcha. I love that. So with these limitations. I mean, let's let's ask you the question. Do you think this game's the future of education, they have a place in their poise? But not everybody should be trying to jump into Jif because might seem trendy at the time accommodate is that a trend will arise in this modern day case the battle royale of game. What can I tell us? What about me? What's that away? I personally know the some of our listeners may not be familiar with it a lot of kids will know about fortnight's. Yes. The basic gist of battle Royal kinda games is that you've got to be the last person standing. Gotcha. Gotta do what you can to eliminate the competition. Any which way you see fits? Gotcha victim. It like musical chairs that the good more. Action oriented environments. So there's no final goal or mission that they're on just staying sides. Okay. So the point is survival. All right. So and you were going into people should go into it. Just because it's trendy rope suit the problem with that is because you've got these games over saturating market. Yes. And people are obviously going to just one that's worthy of their time. Absolutely. So the big problem is that given what's already outs educational games often have a harder time competing for attention from other games again going back to fort night, which is the big flagship of federal games. That's out right now. What are some of the of it sorry for interrupting what are some of the other top contenders? That are at their. Let's see of another big contender. That's a different genre is a first person team based shooter called overwatch, which we happen to have a local professional team for the Houston outlaws. They call him cells at any rate it just about what people see is worth their time. If it's. Attention grabbing enough if it's fun enough to last them for while. Then that's what they're for. No matter the John raw educational or no if it's engaging if it's highly interactive that's what they're going to go for and many the educational game seemed to fall short of that attention grabbing power walking mentioned time. So let's talk about some Ed tech and time in the big issues surrounding time. Ed tech provides teachers with the way to enhance would be learning through light tools like at software videos that foster critical thinking creativity. However, the big elephant in the room is that research has been coming over last over years suggesting that looking at screamed for hours day can have serious health, physical health and mental health consequences. Even some of these developers people that make these games testses games. They said themselves, they don't even let their children use them. What are your thoughts on that is too much free time that absolutely affect on a physical level if they sit around doing too, much nothing. They're not getting fit not getting active on a mental level. They could end up building a heavy dependence on the technology or end up seeing something that wish they had not this is especially damaging for younger children who are likely to not know how to react to what they see or worse. They'll try to imitate it. Yeah. So I'm gonna come in and play devil's advocate a little bit because I do kind of feel as that screens technology have been demonized bit. And of course, we're not here for that. We may use them within our camps in our classes, and I so as on a personal note, I'm an aunt, and I have a niece call Sephiha who loves to play on a like an ipad type of device, and I went and I asked my sister her thoughts on this. And she. He had some really good feedback. She said, you know, people wanna Blaine bad things on technological screen time. And and I think it can't be very detrimental when it's used as a pacifier as a babysitter, you know, to to come in to come as a substitute for that to come kids down. But these are her words, she it could be very powerful when it's used correctly and dictation only on for my sister. She uses games that have colors and words in counting and also summer just for fun. So what do you think Walker? Do you think they have been wrongly demonized can they create more opportunities for kids to learn? This is a special case if it's something such as giving kids tablet with YouTube running and then letting it's auto play function run few years ago YouTube found itself in some trouble when it was discovered that there were these videos of child from the characters such as Spiderman Elsa, the joker acting in these bizarre ought to inappropriate. It weighs these videos made their way into these seemingly child-friendly generated playlists and after this lieu of normal videos. Suddenly this one shows up and while it's all downhill from there, and they'd be exposed to. What are some of the like the bizarre behavior? Put that there. You're talking about often toilet humor. Farting. Yeah. You're in course. And then it goes to the I. It was I remember that trend that goes into some more foul territory, you've got blood. You've got cutting up one another sticking forks in electrical sockets, just violence that kids should not be exhausted. Well, just browsing YouTube exactly but on on another note Walker to you Phil like screams are heavily demonized. So in a learning environment screens and other sorts of events technology can provide levels of interactivity not normally possible they can explore concepts worlds that are normally out of reach for them. Okay. So that's how it's very helpful outside of a learning environment. It should fall upon parents understand. What exactly these children are getting into? And how much is enough these research? Studies recommend for two five year olds that they should have an hour or less screen time. If they're six and up they should be limited to. Two hours, and as children get older still when having to type papers becomes the rule of assignments having an allowance system in place works when I was growing up would earn fifteen minutes screen time for every hour that would put into schoolwork. I I understand that growing up as well. My parents would make me do everything before I could get my phone or open a laptop for something other than schoolwork or play video game. Even when we had things like the week in our house. It doesn't like substitute for actual physical activity. You know, just sitting there. Play video game wasn't the same. Roy at many modern products are coming up with ways to help curb that as well Apple's got its screen time app which helps monitor and limit other screen time on connected, tablets, octa and going back to the weed the Nintendo switch also has a similar feature. Okay. And even provide proper warnings as to win they're about to run out of time. And then it will automatically shut down. When all the time has been used up. But then that requires some on us on the parent, of course to to manage that. Correct. Right. Okay. Of course, even then it's got a have they've got to have proper monitor. Tring management. No matter. What device they're using? I know in talking to my sister, like she she made a really great point that like technology is there, and it will be there only continue being part of our lives. So it it from no matter how we feel about it. We're going to have to come in contact with us, and and it is important for kids to to become familiar with it. It's just about creating healthy relationships and boundaries with with digital tech. I totally understand that it's like a team effort with the parents educators, the caretakers to create that healthy relationship with children in the internet. You know, the honest on them you can use as many parental controls as you want. However, if the parent is controlling there, there's not much Rinta withdrawals can do for you even set in place. So so Walker as an educator yourself like what what are ways that you create healthy relationships with digital tech? But some advice for fellow educators, teachers or even. You know parents on how they can best utilize gaming digital tech in in early education voice is to start small reflected back onto the time. I studied game design my teachers had me starting with designing board games in a way. He had starting off with the offline stuff, which is how parents should start as well. When you choose the your children to computers, you can help yourself by having this bundle of offline programs and sold when I was growing up by work for the program. Colin jump starts which had this set of games based on grade level. And when it comes time to introduce them to the internet's it helps a have a handful of online sites that are safe for them to use in our facilities. We introduced children to a site called friv-. Okay. Which has the handful of games that are friendly for all ages. They can pick up on they can play with them. They can enjoy their fun, but in a safe environment, but it doesn't feel super control like they still have the power to choose and to get X. Browse and explore right? Yes. Great. Well, are there any final takeaways or other comments that you'd like to add to finish up to fight the abyss one mush note? We love you so much Walker for coming year. And thank you so much for all the inside information. You've given us in your we're so glad to have you part of our team with all your knowledge, and hopefully will be hearing from you again soon. Good Glenda could talk so much sense about the matter as thanks for joining us locker in the next session. We want to share some exciting things that are coming up this month of may. So mother's day is right around the corner with that being said, we will be providing a fun. Do it yourself mother's day project that you can do at home with your child or with your parent. It's q-. It's fun. Super simple requires very minimal resources, but you guys can't be on the lookout from that yet. They tuned on our platforms and that sums up our episode today. Thank you everyone. For listening are new episodes up every first Monday of the month. So Mark your calendar. The next one will be on June third. If you have any questions feedback or any guests you'd like to see on our podcast feel free to shoot us. An Email at podcast at idea. Tom or leave a comment on our Facebook page. We look forward to hearing from you the next month.

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Popgram Presents Nigerian Noonas Episode 3

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Popgram Presents Nigerian Noonas Episode 3

"Welcome Saint during New Year's Hello, John. We're trying to figure out the beginning of the state, and we have no idea. Yes, I'm African Kitch. I keep forgetting sometimes 'cause I have my name, it owes cost my mouth. So as in many African catch. I think of it. Better run myself. Welcome to our episodes. The maiden decision did a second one hour, experts where experts now, now we're like proper something. Okay. Also, which is moon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Some. Right. So that thirty up sewed we've been watching a larger last month. So let's just kick off. We can festival with did new shows doubt on governments. So one that I particularly love that started to ago is private life, which is pumped me young drama. Sounds along with cream young. Yes. Jay look, as you know, African kitchens said, Papillon, I abs-, I she's my one of my favorite actresses and look to healer. And I think it was her. I worked remember and I watched as well. What was wrong secretary? And this show coming the Danes of what's wrong secretary Kim. A lot of people saying that she's typecasting herself. But I don't I don't care. I think it's really enjoyable. She sees these Kurtz, Curators, Curators, and she have private life that she's trying to keep private is that she's a huge fan of the particular guy in the boy band, and she's nice saying that such an sang people who actual stalkers like the really crazy fans but she's just like a supports, and she's, but she bakes Spencer time she has a fancy sites. She put together for him and takes pictures of him. It's it's, it's it's a grill. Because really on a ukulele. Binge might stop. Yeah. She was actually watched. It was wrong sexual team. I okay. Then I try to watch let him so I just couldn't get into Walter by the with remember, like, no, I just to show. But then I was like, I have to, because she also has by the way, guys, just in case donor myself and have been talking about this. She has and age appropriate. Cutie on the show. All I'm all for the age appropriate work, not those very keitel's air loan. Yes, I wasn't Catherine's, well and coffee, period. So basically, he's, he's a age appropriate crush for me. So I'm loving each appropriate crushing. Right. And just one more thing about shares, you know, in secretary came her style, they was long ponytail the pet skirts and the placebo blouses and this one is chosen suits, skirt suits. And she looks amazing. They may times, actually stop to go Wayne's that soup from that in the. Mazing like I don't know who the status of their show, but whoever styled, her of dough has done an excellent job owing. She can't be way heads to fend in real life as innocent curates, but, you know, it's finding the show. I find that the test is real plus dialing also Suru for veteran. The fashion is in credit, she looks amazing. And there this funny. Pepsico sequences anyway. Okay. Stop to you. What's your that's her private life? We pop young Kim Jae Wook another show the started as well was Google. I key to you. Why KiKi to which we watched the first one and I think I think I can speak for family that it was a hit. It was a hit. There is a second sequel now but only the econ- weekly who plays a junkie has returned. He's been having an amazing year, so far, he was in children of nobody, and he's not very show, which is really huge Kohl's the blankets, but he's actually come back to do this, which to be honest. He really didn't have to do, but so far I'm actually kind of liking. I really the first the first half hour of the first episode, but people whose was who what the first one is a bit. It's a bit difficult to get into because the rest of the, the strong thing about the first show was the cast and the bromance, just the girls, it just works all of them. But the ad basically wiping, the slate clean got new people in amongst them is actually a guy who amid a cameo in the first season has the foot model using age of use. He's in his play Mike. Oh baseball. He's one of the new roommates playing baseball player and it's a bit weird first butts. It gets better. And now I'm actually really like an EMMY empty for correspondence with mentioned in our other my other podcasts. Pup grab a really, really liking. I sure but it's actually quite good, so much keep forward to what should be skip school. But I am willing to give it water to suits to see whether or not he gets embedded. Ambles -i. Yeah. We'll see just on that tip as well. Obviously, the cost couldn't returning one is because of sun years, son, some wound who played the guard glasses of his name into show. Now he as a bluff, see was actually sentenced for one year, six months in prison for d why he got Boxing Day last year. He basically got his third DUI. And yes, got his. Hobie I who was in the car with him to actually take the rap for its and then we'll found he was one actually driving. So he got sensors last week but he had three days to appeal. He has appealed now but the prosecutor actually pushing for six years and eagle year and six months, still drinking problem here. The DUI the numbers has money should've gone, I think jail, do the right thing. Then Glenn get treatment, and you might actually have Greg just not huge might have occurred again. And the main guy who was in Waikiki, king Jaren, Hugh, he wasn't a show last year called time, and he was brilliant in the show, but he was playing this guy with the pressure known who had like a need to sorta kinda manifested itself in real life, because he actually having sleep at each in disorders, and he had to show halfway. He's still on the rich recovery method. Yeah. He worked very method, but he's unread recovery. Now he popped up on social media. In March, at least to say, I'm okay. You know, still, you know, we try to take care of myself. I love people though. Does this mean he'll be in the sequel, but he's no? I don't think it's too early to have recovery process. It's their important. This happened to actually take time out. Exactly. But, you know, I've missed him in the show. I have to say, but I want him to have his time. There will be many of the shows we will see him in what else goal that is meant to his love. Interest is in Google and Google key to she's on to either. Yeah. But they could really cute center for all of them in the first episode of watch out full but is acute Easter egg about all everyone else that was on the show. Right. Another show the started is kilowatts. It is Sandra. And if you know, CNN Lucienne kinda fashioned themselves on HBO, so they, they see themselves as we will give you the really like intense dramas, which, which are like, made movie star with movie tape. It looks like a movie. It's. I find those, the dramas some of them are really hit and miss life Mazda last, Sandra. My watch, and it was fantastic remake of the British show, life, MAs. But they did a really really good version. Killa is about a guy who was raised as a kid to be an assassin, and he was getting in Germany, and Co's back to Korea and shit ensues. That's what I'm going to say. But John king young is an and I watched this purely for him. He's just a big bucket. Handsome guy. He was coming hug me. Anyway, have you seen coming hug me? I'm jill. Could come out of your mouth. He added the Booker handsome seriously. He's an non as well I'd like Nana from after school. She's actually pretty decent actress playing detective. The first episode was alright. I it's now Vicki, so if you guys do wanna watch, it's on there. I'm going to keep watching it for now but it's very, it's slightly conservative, but the of new show that started dislike, it's got three mall next one is my fellow citizens, which is a cheesy ones. New show him from 'em Exo, and she was pretty. Everyone said he should have got the girl and she was pretty. I don't think so. I think packaging was better, but this is his new show. He's playing playing a con artist who marries a policewoman but she doesn't time there. Policewoman doesn't tell us to. He's now and yeah, good. Mertz ensues of aesthetic minute chunks, which is great. That's minute show. I was the first to is actually it's good. It's really good. I'm gonna continue watching. It's so that's my fellow citizens. No, I actually haven't seen those in the east about reviews about the show, but I think the people are watching Andrey, and I agree. I think quite shirt. Scher fifty starting is my I I love on this list. Yeah, I was I was what is period for Jesus. I knew of Jesus. The one that I love him. That's, that's a certain. I find that he did your ca- friends, obviously. Oh, my God really to have some veggies friends just bringing this just, like I love Jesus. Regain his guys kiss you this very scary. Right now. A this amount of us, I think as well get absorbed. Dry ratio, that's taking place. I can't help it but even he couldn't save. No. Not my first that the bodyguards show, bungalow, boo. Strong boozman. The I love him. I just even sues not that isn't got shaller. I just watch. I. Trump won. They include a kid. Yeah. Just sweet. Little kid kind of thing. I like him. He never gets girl. I saw finally, maybe this show he will get the girl five minutes watching shirt realize. No. I've realized that, oh, I've watched this before, and I have to go online to check to see. Is it just me but it's actually a remake of because it's the first time, which has a trimming so of Minho one of 'em causing from it echoes. Well, I saw that Viki about two years ago. It was like why did done the remake? It's it was, I don't know why the remake and why. And I didn't like you audience. You know, I don't go to Netflix, probably. I mean studio dragon Drager lot in their next fix. I don't know. But it was it's strange but apparently eight episodes, originally was about nine episodes. But I actually stopped me from watching narrow 'cause I didn't like because it's my first time. So if you guys want to watch remake because my first time my friend, plus tunnel life. No. Because it's my it's the first time. Yeah. Because it's been line, which is one. Yeah, but yeah, I, I, I was confusing both of them. I'm finally persona. Declaring this a movie is also is now in ethics as well. This is basically four stories for different stories. I'm stars. I you I watched the first story which is look sets and you as very good knit. I you have become a really good, actress from tinny Bobby stuff that she used to do before. And I think he was a turning point with navy. My juicy which everybody loved and was really hard going. When I watched it, it was very different from her teeny, bumpy character, especially if she's such a famous Singin. I didn't know acting Trump's grants grits improved this much. But she's a fuss, we recognize the I love set was quite enjoyable. I what train, I've watched you many three stories syllable spied by you herself and different directors. The first one cent love sets very, very good. And does that the new shows how old such movie has come on? Sent every other year visual legal visual platform notice that I'm just like a support when it comes to the things, very simply because who me I like to binge-watch shoes. So that's the cell sedan, and I'll spend like five straight hours watches on goods bed. We got the next to blah, blah comeback and watch the nets it. So I'm not very keen on shows, get released weekly, except it's on television. So if I have the option of binge-watching rather beach win, Georgia. So if of the shows speaking about I'm Witten until the got into the like the show. Go talk about gets into the last few oppose. Do drops are very my friends. I love everything was there. Yeah, but I saw it. Yeah. Same persona. Everything's interested to my list, but I'm maybe my love because when I just saw, like a bunch of children trying to reenact a bit of age of youth. And what do you call this thing? One of reply shoes, asthma, even as is doing very ventures, not as good as interview or recline. I just feel like a bad pastiche of that. So I was like, I'm, I'm really interested any of the actors that on that they do feel very and I go in moods. Sometimes my at some swing to those. I don't think my who has always reached was levels. Okay. Okay. Let's move onto what we're watching go on. I to finish dramas. So there's ground with finish which was not fixed which is on lakes. Thanks for massive owners book. Yes, we finished. I will sell them stuff by saying that I actually give this is so alike, me and what he knows me news. This is not me. I had a squeal and shimmy moment. Round like there's nobody here, but I just did his be deal. I did a squeal shooting absolutely ridiculous. But I have move starting given the sort of. So it's a legion work, and I remember her name, she's very good actress. She's called Donny. And basically, the show is about Danny of sushi. Got married dude. She didn't she have second positive for. She actually married him. She would she died. She confided have best friend who incurring. You cannot tell the story your story, I counter pervasively dining, who basically coming back to the workforce after seven years. She's divorced now. Single mother, and basically, as she comes to live with her best friend, and she's works with him in publishing house, and we see what happened from that house still social vehicle. I'm looking. Face. Nobody let me tell the story it's about daddy, best friend who have been friends as children for various reasons, are their life has gone on decides. My somebody else are the last major had second thoughts have best friend who is John Muslim. Squint pinchers guy got them back in together, and she wants her life, quite beautifully. Also a find out shock or Astle and because of all the advocating the life shot back into workforce shows a brilliant advertising, executive was the workforce working with them legion work, right leader construe. Thank you, and so many things happen. Find about how it is today are older woman, give up into workforce, romance between and the boys, very into this whole Nuttall's in it in this is the second one, they should on because I was when I hit was. Okay. So, yeah. So it's a gets into this new romance, and then he comes then it comes to a head because of all these different characters the way that highlight ends up being shipped. I will say, though, that we talked to myself, Monteclaro find that issue is that child twice? Whites also quite like passing memory. Thinks referred to her, maybe about honor, I feel quite bad, but we didn't really see her told by guests, she's device smugly plot device, but yet, but I want to go to the go through the through the shore things I found interest that okay? So the relationship between Danny and have friend whose car to them. I forget is meant to be that they've known each other a longtime. He news about her life, so that few plot holes that I it within the show that I felt would have been tighter, so are things like this is going her life. Yes. She kept him at a distance was on his living in your house. I do know about it. Somebody's having this sort of intimately shipping, and you know about it. And then this person who your friend yesterday Trump the distance. I'm this horrible in occur to them going. I don't know about it making one about concept of friendship that an in the show, I think there is a soup so reality. That's the thing with the way friendships at the pick. Sit in the show, even a friendship with MRs go as well go through my e as gone anyway, to wanna played the lady in the Makati team that, yes, they will. She kept saying, you're, my friend. You're my friend. But when the shit hit the famine into show, she kind of distance himself somewhat. She wasn't like STA she's. Yeah. She wasn't going. Oh, no. This is so unfair. You should stay. She was kind of destroyed care talking terms, bad bucks wasn't doing what we would think, in an idealized world a friend would do. No, I know I thought there was some instance of like to me where it was quite realistic of how people would. How people would actually behave in situations like that, especially they were not friends, friends. Yes, they went to club together once and you know, this at heights, chevelle, the talked when they were working together, but it was interesting, the way she behaved when everything came crashing down, and Danny I'm with him and her religious character. I think that's 'cause she was married had own life. He was still, you know, holding accountable, have he'd he also kept a distance between both of them like he who goes to house at night when he was drunk. He wouldn't tell her that he was there. She was wrapped up with, you know how life has a mother and has a wife and also it would have been, I think, for high was weird that over to go tell them that I'm divorced. Now. She wasn't I think they had breaking a friendship where it was. Yes, it was too close. Join us close as they used to be so. Yeah, I do points went well, she could have just told him but I guess you know humans not that eat simple. I disagree with regarding the work friendship. Because for me it was work friendship. It's a friendship that came about in a space of what three months. Former maybe we look at the show, so. No, I don't actually expect that somebody who is ahead of, like, really high of position and come along. Go though, million marketing marketing lady, her boss. Yeah. Any levels, the steps the one I was walking those the John woods character I can wear my shoes character. Yeah. Working with him. Yes. Has thing for me. Honestly. It's a work relationship. Don't get me wrong gift. It's nice those a friendship there is a work. It is a work relationship, and I knew I expect the same sort of intimacy the same sort of going to bat in that sort of setting nobody for four five months compared to what we live saying is the lady that, that played the, the do what's her name, okay through annoy. You know, the one that is she's legion. Six characters Hobie. Yes. She the way she acted. When all went down was, how expected the other lady acted because even her the fact that she was ready even in love religion character. She put that's inside. Oh my gosh. Are you a cage you want me to come with? We know when she had to when she left the office because she was upset. She out ticket to the bus, mice just myself. She's on the call to tell him that this has happened. She, but the other lady group because I think that the other ladies have more to lose. I think that it will be. Yes, yes. She was in love with Joel Scotland. Yes, you know, she was helpful way. No something you have these things realistically, in terms of skills in terms of sliding skills. And also also very that relationship is also quite different across the sliding skills. Well I- welcoming, I for me. I do feel that what the relationship in office and the friendships within the office, I am very signal that their skills. Then there's some friendships that much closer than others. But for instance, we know that the other women in her relationship with them logistics character, but that the Hobie about the racial divisions character, so formed the different enterprise other different intimacy that she didn't have the other guys as the first part second part is for logistics, cart, and Dennis Carter. I feel under near kalani Carter's name, isn't it? I feel that you can't have a twenty twenty five year old friendship and you've been divorced for over a year you are living in a broken down house. And this must really gets drunk on Gustav, your house, gone stunning front in notice all the boards around your house. I mean for me a twenty French is very from six month friendship, and don't get me wrong because gets dip into MRs in six months, but I think there's an obligation as a friend, I had a friend for something audiences, you should you should be aware then again, that's well. Well, that's the part that I was particularly convinced but part of the child is on that news by, but I think all in all it was very enjoyable for me. It was it was a sweetser drama was very sweetness about it. I felt that, that translated very well my view, it was a good drama. I thought it was quite sweet. I would watch again, is, you know, maybe about three months time but I really enjoyed that remastered abundance book metastasized the net. Flicks was dragon corporation season affect, so Bishop coming must be good. Definitely recommend is people is anything else that you finished. I've finished a lot of things and I didn't wanna watch that much this this month because there's so many things in my life. For some reason, I just got into removing going on my mood. I know last time we went to jump cacao that one Frederick ago Belen the Japanese ju. The goal protected a repair coca pedals works out. But I, I couldn't mentally mood like get into it. But so I watch what's a few things. So I set about trying to watch March contract. I was going to watch it because of we who had liked from white nights. And I started knows like no life is too short after the first driving, absolute as a first issue episode. I was like, no I'm not under snot inclined to continue watching this. Then I watch I try to walk of love which was good. But in sync was out on vacation, and that sort of wind few films wealth to shows for meat while via for. So you win. Walk of love MRs cop Midas, and the on puddle another show that I watched. But I didn't finish MRs MAs nemesis. Not most was very, very interesting because that's visit him with muffle. Yes. And so I because I was huge Christie I love miss marple stories. I thought I would watch it also I found the, the various actors in that scene in the undercover the synopsis quite fascinating. But when I say watching the first episode of the theory. There you go. Okay. Go to definitely watch. This is that Nigerian says I was watching through the, you know, the beginnings I to the, the beginning credits. When I started from you show, I saw Nigerian name by the name of Bassey by byu like, what's, what's happened here is like this guy now. So it's quite interesting because actually executive produced by three non Koreans new disaster. But my view on Amanda groom, and it does your engine came who was she's. She was lost, as she was some in lost. And she was also kind Kim in mistresses, which lustrous US Korea, it starts croissant key, who was in while you asleep in, which I'm gonna talk work with. Also why we're sleeping and really really really enjoyed her role in that. And then also star Jimmy wound one game here. So he was the villain. I hail mois area. He was guy. So he was that. So I really am. So it was good sort of dynamism. In that role. I watched. Society now what high-society because of we again white nights, and it was interesting to me, because it was wasn't we and other in because of some, Jim. Now, some June is inappropriate age. Rush for like two years old or something recently, what's the army's twenty twenty eight one in December quite quietly, actually, and I'd really reluctant enemy need over months, three and villainous? But then again, I watched also for we and then he also has puck hung sink who was in airs on strongman boom, the won't do like and another actress. Call Lynn J, John, now, the show, high society is not like the film version. This is it's more achievable friend relationship, and the navigation of that relationship to go to and eventually to venture love and the men. Consummate, we on genetically discounters wealth. Have I do think the stand out of the show for me was Lim Jae Yoon, who was the second female because she was so exceptional in portrayal of love and somebody who's going through an interesting experience, very different from the mill compatriot too? Song Jin played. So it was, I think she what she's also in low key, which is another film, which is actually on Netflix at the moment, by the way. I signed his don't think of on Netflix. Ano, but she's known for prolific film career than a drama, career. So that was quite interesting to me to see I tried to watch because it, what to call this thing I on women, only these, the Chinese drama ago, bored by it. It was. Yeah. I didn't we is the song motion. The lighting image, the actors getting the actors. I just wasn't convinced them at all. I said, I watch while you asleep in that base is basically, I think I seen her in Iran, Iran unconditionally phone. I think erode conceivably something unconditional one, and I really liked and she stars in this with them, legion Suk and John jonky in now, what was interesting is because Cox was this has meant to twenty seven I'm in real life is like twenty four. I was like, what is this agent is young women so they can play rules of actually hiring people at the right age for those, but I watched while sitting because of Johnny he because I really really liked him in something marine. So it was good. Another president is only jokes Keiko. That's nice. But, you know, basically, on, on junkies here in our for you. So something while you're sleeping about this girl who can see the future. What about what about shoes in the future? Actually happens on it. Looks a relationship would put legion shook on digging, and how it is that they're not getting what happens when they starts in the future as well. I watched sorry, just going through this. I have written down here. I'm trying to flag the people. Too much of them talking. Yes. I what I tried, which third chump. Oh, yeah. I incurring. Yeah. So I watched, I think it was for five episodes vibes with. And I got it just in the millages, very whiny. It was just my own son. Why I can start. I don't standing to Bachchan between his fans Zayed's gun. The relationship is getting into the skull, but it just felt like those Embiid, too much wine on a bit too much in the monologue and be too much. I don't know. I, I will try to watch it again, on continuing, but I wasn't that I, I didn't get into it again club in my mind set on this, my feelings are wanting time. But I just I wasn't convinced by the ultra into again said, lots of shoes. Never finish by the way. So what woman with a suitcase of is in that one? Okay. Swishes the wounds with success is the lead. We will cock the enemies them to. Yeah. She Choi Jawara, and she was in suspicious housekeeper told you about one of the house Lucca. So she wasn't. And then it started the million on. Judge Judy knew who was in this is my life. Now, this is my love is an interesting one for me because it was so hot Renton that I was like a Mike. This is just too much hot. So watching him in this role was quite a bit of jokes the position because they're different actors I mean all the angst. All this is my love definitely doesn't show in when guests but was very good because in what chain what he calls the woman with a suitcase. And if, if they had this, it was just it's into signify, those sort of love affair love story. But they realized by the end of the focusing on, you know, a mix of legal drama empowerment, with the bit of super drama threatening. So that was a lot of fun. And there's a lot of nice bags that this. I mean this repair legal by the buckles Karen like Zealand's like high class by day. Like balance the alga. And so a little some, some schilling I watched on your my destiny, which to be a kid, a remake of fitted love you stunned, starring on Junqueira junk Huque dome. I really really liked it. It was so silly. It reminded me so much of decor. Jin all my God because of John Q was it, what I could see could you like more like what the heck and so that is really clearly enjoyed watching that. And I think all of this. Sorry, there's a lot of stuff the two more. So now I tried watching to cups which stars that goal from replaces Henner, Terry Yeary, and so ideolog it, I watch trips. I've known known life. No life is too short for each however, so I decided to research her because I found quite interesting actress into cops, and imply ninety eight and I realized you should this be part of this, go boop. And I realized what made famous supposedly while not what Rebrov was this? I go thing. So I go, I have seen that what will try to go and show, I think it was was, we would want my mind is gonna when the cocktail cute. What is this actual Google and Google this Eichel? I was basically what happened was that she this, this TV show that we're all on. And it's been about tragedy soldiers something for few days, and the end all live in the sort of the actual soldiers actually turn could by the only got to her. She did the like five year old and just. She did that. And that's I like the height of this sort of little whiny little, like, like soldier. I'm not kidding. You. She did that. So job beamed like his was all teeth. That's very powerful. You seem to really like find that really cute. I don't stand up. It was just so hinge remiss, like okay Edwige it wasn't enough to watch. What was positive defied it? And they're Finally I watched the dateable. Which is a Stutz numb June. Something's forget. June you. Yes. And it's doesn't actually the two pursuits almost like you're watching an episode thing. But firstly. So my issuing, I'm Jim. Forgotten thing. I know I wrote it down. Numb June is the fact that, so we have this question about him on the guy that was a month, man. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. About high, the book look like cycles, where the different types of Sarah. Yeah. Months money is like soon so shoe June, June thing, so Jin but yeah, yeah. So the guy the guy in months, man, he's site, they can imagine, we'll keeping his basement and do things to you. Yes. Have fishing. Juke has the American cycle kind of look at Kimber much for when I was what you remember. But he does play like an American cycle type thing. But I don't know. I'm drawn to this guy drugs, both of them, which a lot of mind mental, but I'm very drawn supposed to do. I like that psychological breakdown. A non Jew. Again, is another legally allowed crush those of, you know, he's all out for instance that his age appropriate crush. It was quite interesting because it's follows the story of a guy who is the bus the child of a table or of combat armor it. And is that emits of completed and politics? And it follows how it is that he tries to be relationship expert and the very beginning. We see the minimal Carter's forgotten run to the airport. Right. Not a guy trying to tell him that she loves him combat to me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and number two. Conto sees this, and that is the beginning of a relationship enough. Find out as the show progresses has very variously as to it. The thing that I found funny about it is those particular Woody says, so the num- numb- Jones nephew mocks, what makes album alpha goose mart. Do you know the answer, it costs five billion dollars? Right. I love like what I had like this because it's all Spencer funding. Adults? Wasn't ladies, five Lagos? I'm just kind of so, yeah. Silly joke. But yet that's before what I've watched. What about you? What have you watched? I watched I finished live, which is a show that they stole on basically Kareem police officers. It was really good. I really enjoyed it. Sixteen episodes, one hour got bit dark sometimes. But I think he was really well acted. I forgot the name of the main guy in. He's in your heart, Tynan harangue as well, but it's really good shows on Netflix. So I really recommend live, if you want some things different from your average K drama is son of ramassage the end. But it's not like overwhelming that a soul, then I saw lucky romance. That was my surprise of the year. I think so I tried to watch lucky romance lash day, but I couldn't get into after the first two episodes. It does a stars Hyong, Joan Neum, who was in his dateable 's, I, I saw she was pretty, and I'd like she was pretty. And I was okay. She was really good. In those people say, she's like the wrong come Queen. I tried on dateable 's didn't really like on dateable up, say episode seven nights, so lucky romance last year. Third time's a charm might be okay. Didn't get into this, okay? Let me at least try against the 'cause sometimes needs to walk away from certain shoes on pause and come back and see if you're still feeling the same way I agree with after kit. Sometimes your emotions can also be place it. So I watch and I'm glad I did. It was really good. But I think that the heavy lifting on this one was done by region. You who is the guy in replying nineteen eight we'll be talking about that later as well. I know. So the boyfriend of hearing looking real life. Yeah. Real-life flow Dame he is. I can I can see why he does because he's done like three TV shows all he does movies now. He is very good. I didn't really paint him as being a romantic lead, but he almost be wrote the book on this. I was so surprised. Raised like from episode five gets really good. And he does some things just like wild guys physical comedian. Like I was really. I you know, sometimes when you watch runner for so long, and you still tropes use over shares and everything he was very refreshing in his acting there was a section where he doesn't bit. It seem what he is talking science stuff to backwards because he didn't want to break contact with her. I think I physically swimmed as I will that I've read that afterwards, some other people on, like, different message boards, that interest me the thing that most Herman actually felt when they saw that forty lucky remark. You've romantic, let's watch dust is yeah, it's about a woman who is bad luck misfortune basically comes in her life sisters in the hospital. So she's very superstitious sushi carry. Salts and red beans everywhere, and he is a CEO of a software company. So he's basically science and she sees women's position and the meat and he Lurton. It's very good show. It's a plus yeah, it's really go so prize. How good it was finishing the passion for now. Yes, I should have missed yet. My nearly finished it. I think I had it. I got exit twelve for like a month. And then I was like, Nope. I just need to finish it now. I really liked it. I just didn't have time to finish it finished. And I was regard, I have recommended as well. It's Vicky took about in foreign peoples punk cast as a finished touch hearts. Governor couple that was good as well. Very sweet. I find interest. I know that the mission statement will making a show with publi O S naked, be sweets, and really. Non much ams, everyone is pretty enjoy this. I think they had Cheever that they take a slight detour in that fourteen or so they have to bring in like the dangerous parts give a bit more edge. But I thought it was good nuts. We over Max's, and my book, still good show nonetheless. I have finished my fifty two episode from drama, what happens my family, that's was since I think February watching it by finally finished that as well. Very, very good. If family dramas sheet watch is what happens by family and five I strange, I think five strangest better, but what happens my family's pretty good as well as always. Interesting to see all these people that you see all these established actors actresses doing shows like that. Because the I heard that this is what they used to basically trained basically polish up to acting chops. Sign up family drama, do fourteen fifty episodes. And also brings faces give them a recognition because of family drama, get high ratings than the normal dramas, dude. What normal drama? But like the nighttime dramas. So I say father strange. Have is family and five children. That had some gyn we'd bring into Houston. I picked up the street, and I think in five children, he was fantastic enough. I started watching a pickup -ception street haven't finished it yet. I'm on episode think seven or eight or something like that. It's not sixteen drama. I think twelve ten forgotten, but I was surprised with them, the tone of the show and the production on its 'cause it's a web drama, but production is very good. Basically, looks like you know, something that's with knock up. It's really looks amazing. And the. The opening credits as well is very different from anything. I've seen on any ever like Korean drama, basically, when I first saw it, mended me of, like. What's that show cold? Really old one Dowd used to do like the. The narration for it tales tales from something is going to bug me. Anyway, it's I would I would recommend pickup over. It's very dark and incident on it, but stick with it quite good as well. And I forgot finished twentieth century boy, and girl with stars has you. It's basically like it's sold as being successively, but snorts is reading a soul is yes, there, three women and about the loves and lives and all that. But it's move on her on. It's not sex institute, old is basically friends to lovers kind of thing to the honest, and I would I would just recommend that it was actually quite sweet. And I started to watch youth, which is a Chinese drama, but it's very much cold like youth life youth because uses well, there's youth, which is their remake of interviews. Don't watch it. What the K drama. It's way better. And then I think it's called like youth. It's about it's basically about a girl on ghosts from her life, Russia's twelve swish crimson adults is very much like a look so beautiful than anyone seem that I think everyone has seen how good that show wasn't. Everyone's tried to replicate it. So I'm really recommended lots of beautiful that's way better. But I most trying to see if this is good as well. But I recommend beautiful, and I also about the starts the package, which is show about Korean Taurus Douglas, Paris, basically talks about focuses on each person, and their stories. I've only seen the first episode it's really good. I can see why people like it. I will continue to watch that someone on Netflix just. Oh, no. It this one is Vicky. Now, I didn't know that one sounds flexible nice own K and still ongoing. So. I'm still watching probably will be watching to December leading Furio as I said, I pod cast, you know, sixty six positions driver on one hundred miles of peach blossoms, as well. We're still currently Washington family sky council actually watching as we speak hot and also from the away from the action, but those other shows I'm currently what finished. And watching at the moments and then find out bring us all final segment which is draining recommends. So our, we've in the past recommended weightlifting Winston ferry Kimball chew recommended age of you. All handle my twenties one and two. And now we're going to recommend to reply series. Yes. So just for scarf occasion because this can be confusing is sometimes it's cold reply, or on semi is the same thing. So sometimes they have asked me nights, ninety four answer me night. Saints eight. No. It's the is the same thing as reply. I think the dreicer bisque saying that they wanted to sponsor me or unto me, I'm asking questions. You answer me that kind of thing, but is the same thing. So deploy series of three of them this reply to full reply seven angry, cli- nineteen Eighty-eight just so, you know, the best one eight hundred. Reply to those well, don't get me wrong. I mean, no ninety nine hundred ninety four I haven't watched it. He just looks kinda stupid because I'm like it. But for me when I looked at, don't feel when I watched when I looked to look at the with, how would you describe the reply series, or this is about its operational stodgy look back of different people at different of in their thirties, generally touches on forties, who today use in the nineteen thousand nine hundred eighty eight or nine hundred four or nine hundred ninety seven and it's usually a group of friends who may get together. Megan, or they're doing an interview for particular reason. And then he gives us flashbacks into their life, and he has it centers around usually centered on one family, and intellectual life of those friends with family, and how that has now created undeveloped into their it's very much love story to the lot of NAS Theresa these bromance, is this, the journal, your friendship is definitely, they relationship on the which you're gonna end up with you. Vice of, you know, the actor the main actors getting married to somebody who she married to yes. Yeah, exactly. There's a little of that. So I think for me. So that's I think the overview for the reply series, and it usually does have been a few good bromance. We'll light Bruma in developed from the reply series. Yeah, little Reno refinement in seven because I, I said, I'm watch the men millet Kochta was in his master's, son. Yes. I knew very different here song. Yes. On hill was also is also the men lead character in Lewis and that it looks like Saudi front tissues, looks incredibly different than intense actor as I really saw him in dramatic stuff. Then they saw nice set number next night, seven and shopaholic as you say, okay, he has coming comedic just sort of tends to do, like, really dupe stuff. Yeah. Reply nine seven to me is the weakest it. It's. Good. But compared to nights ninety four 'cause the first one I saw was ninety seven was the first show I thought, okay, it's all right to K, and then I saw nights, ninety four okay? This tastic. I need to get people to watch this that has go ARA, and no, he he who's not playing like everyone's best friend. She was in gun from beauty. She wasn't clean with packing for now as well. And the parents in each of series is actually played by song dome and Lee hu two simple, the same parents. That area. Tastic always pay the parents. And then with different kids. Yeah. Nineteen eighty eight which it's meat is my favorite law. But nineteen eighty eight is doing the half pack gum rejoin sue again, hearing very meshing dopers. And I think that, yes, it was a Todd long and a lot of people were not happy with, who she ended up in the end I like to share. I did for love. But decide Dixon realize I guess did they get where the plot. Spoiler spoiler. Spoiler our now take it out. Nobody I do think that. No, I think this, where I started my baby crush on big question for all intents frigging baby baby crush on will go, and I really I liked. I think I did like both of them. I can't say that. I liked one more than the other because I think the story arc do tend to be long ago. It's a movie. Yes. But the, the story arc. In for ninety nine hundred four for me was who really reply for thirty four reading March. So, yeah, he's sort reply nineteen ninety four for me. I felt was more moving. Yes, he had a lot more that emotional impact. Elite guts me. I think with replied in nineteen eighty eight it was sweets. What was also the first time because crumbs car to place, a go player. But declare, and it was fascinating the way that the picture is Carter doesn't actually go to school. So that reminds me of. Certainly catch was meant to be a go. But it will just I just just sweet. It was sweet would be more on bunk shows. I think the reply thousand nine hundred will be more hyper weather, pine, nineteen Ninety-four people were being considered by getting. That's also very talent because of time come into each one of them's life, reply nineteen ninety four we come into the university. Yes retirements in high school. So it is a very much of its time, very true. I think for me. I like both of them. But for very different reasons one, 'cause I'm thirsty because just because that's yes. Because. The story was very very was much more grouping for me. But then the other one because get a lot of insight into Korean light particular, like in the nineteen eighties. Yes, replied nights, I think, for that me, I'm interested in cultures on the racial cultures. So being able to see Korean one thousand nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight and issues affecting them than other not well of now is quite a drastic changes quite trust. -sition fearing primates ninety four was the store and also the main lead actress in their Gara was she? Wait say MRs Harambe bait, you think of a black leading same gone. Simple. You're like, yeah. You just you just mature. Cillian being childish and playful was great in even the, the his nickname was Chang. I see him every other show. Actually not thing because I think a lot of actors that will reply series, at least nine thousand four nineteen eighty eight of actually going to have critical Koreans. Yeah. They have the renewal Impresa Korea's. They have the two guys in replied ninety four to the bone culture and killed on. And the other guy crush trash the other guy who the friend, that is the Lech indifferent, latch. They've gone having excessive coffee friends. They basically have a coffee. Coffee, shop I think is on wheels, though. And the basically this offering people giving my charity below people come to help out so you your house. Yeah. As you have love some every coming to help them out. But it see huge variety to people, he's actually trying to find time now the children, the feds letch, he's working. He wasn't a luxury. I've seen this year's over his finding time to do dramas, as well as do that show. Who because it's quite huge. So, yeah, they have gone on really successful careers. After say, if I do see one of them in the show of on more minded to watch it. Yes, because what she guilty in Konic because Rome, O'Hare guys. Yes. That I really get it up, actually. So for we go. There's this thing. So only watch to Google like, yes, on there was this, this digital okay copy guy a digital copy on this. We about this DJ who does rhetoric in his life, and it is like they says, get it yet. You at all the get it. Got edwards. So I was watching it should was now. I think ELS watching those that will win the gene postition a destiny myemma destiny. So I was watching it. So he saw the does this particular character who tells up in the show, and I was like, okay. The relationship was kind of weird between the do coaching Kakata on this guy. Let me go and do some research on who this guy is. So he tells about the guy that plays a ducal, gene tacos. I dissolve, Weijia Jiang juggle. Thank you. He's actually repa-. His was a group on a pop group. And the other guy was also is part of what did call the first generation pub? K I comes dolls. The idols, and he is, I believe digital copy. I watched because he is sure on. So I show on YouTube goes, wrong career, look different his career, and he does all of these things and gets involved and I watched it was like this dude is digital copy like all. Jio de Judy was from the angel the bus from Judy. And he is just Kentucky on the interested in about him about this quite into Korean American rates came back to Korea. Join Judy was kicked out Judy because he was revealed, I was quite public relationship another other time how you star. So it was an only Judy for few something, but he built a career of the back of that. And also, when I was the particular show of the original you, she was when it comes to the soul cough, cough show. Yes. Share on those particular guy on stage. I don't I don't know. Kate pop stars. I don't know anybody actually, but he was on stage and the, the interviewer saying, okay, so, yeah, like the first generation k Paul K idle, and he's like, no, no, no, I'm not. I the ration- and then this guy goes and said, hey, how jar for generation capable of then Gaza. Guess why so many? I'm secondary. Very weird. But anyway, if you watch Google cookie, you have digital copy I go to wrap with get yet losing to then go alive. And I'm trying to so that's it. So what are you going line? He's videos called was. Yeah. He said he was on. Yeah. That was gone. His name. Now I know Jill. Judy. Yeah. Does I think just because I found that way. What's up man? He he's hilarious Tara. And it's also very huge critical studies YouTube channels last year on the space like nine months ago. Two million. So he's really hilarious. And he is it shows a lot of Korean culture. I evidence the funny but I find a lot of shows a lot of variety type shows grit unfunny with the edited because of the emojis and the tags. But biologically Hiller so was just threw that in there for those curious. I, I. I always curious digital copy is because I was very curious who is. Bolivar's place all of your life person for your record that mystery. So, okay. So if the rates review if you enjoy this podcast. Yeah. Actually said that beginning maybe enjoyed the podcast. We'll be back in a month time. Also, check out pop grandma's. Well, we have other plug casts vailable, our backout capital backlog, backload back back catalog while say backlog, back Catholic is available as well. And you can check when African kitchen government. Check out her Instagram. I lecture put linked to it African on the skull kitsch on his Instagram on. Yeah. I think follow me on also on YouTube, but I have absolutely nothing to do with kid. Braff cannot take angel city that. Yeah, you can go on YouTube as well. And I'm at LA. I don't really post. You know, if you want to messaging like a question comment about show something you think we should cut us something? We don't cover something that you want. More information about snow. Yes, I think definitely raise reveals on also shift. We want to see how actually as I can get the Niger newness in the world. Who knows if you shed lung enough a widely. We might actually get a case when I show have a book, it might have stringent feels have how I hope springs eternal Hanky again. Thank you, mom, and gear.

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We've since made some adjustments and next week's show will be less bumpy and now dear prudence at home. Putin prudent here. Do you think that I should contact him again? Help thank you. Hello and welcome to the dear prudence at home show once again and as always I am your host dear prudence also known as Daniel M lavery with me in the studio. This week is Monica. Tim Sqi an indoorsy. Introvert loves novels pop culture historic places and chocolate. She lives in Seattle with her spouse and small dog Monica. Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me today. Danny I'm thrilled to be here. I am so thrilled to I. I've been trying to you know as we've been adjusting to recording from home Try to find a balance between topical questions because there's a pretty huge pandemic that's affecting all of us in unprecedented ways and also trying to make sure we have a balance of The kind of timeless some stress relieving questions that are a a strain relief to here and I hope that we've been able to strike that balance today. I want everyone to feel just the right amount of We're tapped into what's going on and also don't worry. We still have one question about an outrageous boss. Would you be so good as to read our first letter share so the first letter today is co parenting in the time of Kobe? Nineteen dear prudence two and a half years ago. I divorced an abusive narcissist. We share custody of the best kid and I've been in a really healthy and loving relationship for a year now. My ex has a new partner to who helps out with childcare. My ex still engages in all the same manipulative behaviors by email. Now that we're living separately. His fiancee is always see seed and never engages and now there's corona virus out there increasing everyone stress levels demanding a hundred eighty percent of all of us every day. We are continuing to switch custody because our pediatrician said. There's no reason not to. Our kid isn't high risk and none of the adults are either at first. I asked for a modified custody schedule. Three days on three off from our usual two to five five because five days alone with one parent and one kid and no outings is tough. He said yes then he emailed to say it was too risky to do this much switching so we need to do longer stretches. I checked in with an epidemiologist friend before replying that we don't need to worry. There's no increased from switching if it's a one shot trip with no stops at a gas pump or grocery store so we can leave the schedule at the modified three three. He responded by saying that the safest thing according to his medical advisers is to fourteen day stretches and that it would be hard on everyone but it was best for the health and safety of all. I want to reply by saying sure. And my new partner will quarantine with me while you have kid and then. I'll have a two person team here when it's my turn but this will just engage him further. He's a bully. And he's relentless. His goal is not health and safety. It's winning. He wants me to ask for things and then denied him. He is more ruthless than I am and always willing to fight more and that's how it was in our marriage and that's how it's continued to be set. What do I do? How do I cope with a CO parent with militia tent? This one's so hard because obviously yeah no matter what the ongoing issue is going to be that it's incredibly high stress situation where you have fewer options than you would even under normal circumstances and you're dealing with somebody who's going to go out of their way to antagonize you That said the The kind of joking suggestion that the letter writer provided struck me as actually an incredibly good one Yeah the the joking suggestion to say sure and the new partner will quarantine. Yeah Yeah I mean. I am a child of divorce Parents had a not great relationship. Either and I was kind of struck by the fact that the letter writer seems to be sort of struggling in a couple of days here. They seem to be struggling with their ex. And sort of this co parenting relationship. But also like they need they do need to think about what's best for their kid and so I was curious about if they have really thought about will going to a fourteen day stretch. Not Seen One of their parents gazette going to be more stressful for this kid. There's already so much in their life. That's probably changed. See it seems like there's like a couple factors here one is what's best for the kid and then the other is this relationship with their ex right right and I don't know it doesn't sound like It sounds like at least some of the modifications with the custody scheduled. They've been doing so far. Have not been court ordered. It's it's been more like on the basis of whatever. Their pediatrician recommends. The two of them have come to some sort of agreement which is both good and difficult because obviously without a court order. It's more difficult to convince your ex to agree to something And then also potentially easier in the sense that you're allowed to make changes without appealing to a judge But yeah that did. Strike me as a good question. I don't know whether or not fourteen days in in each place would work for your cater wooden or if you would need to find some kind of common ground between three days on three days off versus fourteen. There's there's a lot of middle ground between those two numbers. I think definitely yen. It seems worth sort of exploring that I feel like the letter writer is really worried about coming up with a counter-proposal like that sort of having a fruitless conversation with their eggs Right yeah and so I think if there is a limit to how much back and forth you think is going to be productive with your accent. Party wants to kind of conserve your energy for dealing with this huge crisis. That's at your door. I I really do think if you say I will find a way to make fourteen days. Work and your partner is willing to I think technically it's only quarantine. If you know that you've been exposed to the virus I just want to try to keep my terms clear. 'cause I know otherwise all be inclined to confuse them my head. So I think this would technically fall into the category of either social distancing or sheltering in place. But if you're partners willing to do that as awful as your ex may be you know he cannot stop you from from having your partner with you that that doesn't mean you necessarily want to have a long conversation with him about it but certainly if you're partners willing and able to shelter in place with you and help you look after the kid that that strikes me as a totally good outcome. Yeah I agree. And then if the kid is having a hard time with With the fourteen days with only one parent not seeing the other. Maybe they can try video call or revisit the fourteen day rotation if that ends up just being too hard yeah and realize part of what I'm saying is also it just doesn't address the fact that like I'm having to deal with sheltering in place while also dealing with An unreasonable angry manipulative vindictive ex and Co parent and that's a very difficult position to be in so I am also aware that part of the advice were offering is sort of like do your best and sorry that the problem will still exist because unfortunately that's just the situation he may very well Begrudgingly accept that. Your partner is entitled to decide to shelter in place whether or not he likes it But he may then seek other ways to kind of lash out at you. I think it would be reasonable to assume he will probably try to do that. And there's I. I wish I had more to say in terms. Here's how you can make sure to prevent his future. Lashings out but I think one of the things. It's just going to be really hard is figuring out. How do we conserve my energy? As much as possible knowing that partner is going to go out of their way To try to waste my energy. Yeah I think you really hit the nail on the head sort of figuring out lake. Where where do you put your effort and your thoughts and your energy and how can you sort of do what is best for you in this situation while also looking out for your kid? Yeah and it's hard again. Under any other circumstances you could ask friends and family to help you out with child care but in this situation it sounds like you potentially have the option to ask your new partner to shelter in place with you and other than that other people may not be possible so Part of what can be hard there. Is that sense of either. I'll be able to get my partner to help or I'm looking at potentially fourteen days alone. Just me and my kid on top of dealing with an unreasonable. Who might be emailing me angry in vindictive things. That's really really hard but I do think if you do decide to ask your partner for that and your partner is willing and your ex really blows up at that again. I know it's not realistic to say. Just ignore his emails you have to be engaged with him at least some of the time because you co parent the same kid but at least when it comes to your decision around having your partner shelter in place with you I hope you can to whatever extent it's possible Just say to your ex understand that you don't like it but this is the way that it is a worry. I'm being pollyannaish there but I think that's my best advice. Yeah yeah well I I hope. I hope that you make it through this. I hope we get to hear from you in a couple of weeks and we hear how this has been going. I'm I really hope that your partner is able to stay with you. Because I think the idea of having to parent a kid as a single parent for fourteen days where you can't really go other places would be. I hope you don't have to do that. 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Matenaer both in our forties. Neither of US have dated in quite some time and were both pleased. It's been going so well however a few days before. Our governor announced shelter in place order. Matt returned from a long flight texted me that he had a cough called to see if he needed me to go to the store for him and he said he'd already been that in fact he'd also gone to Yoga Class. I was horrified but I didn't say anything about what I thought was very irresponsible behavior and a pandemic my needs to keep a conversation. Running smoothly can sometimes prevent me from recognising. My own emotions. The moment so took me a while to realize I was upset when we spoke the next day. He said his doctor had told him. He was symptomatic for covert nineteen and that he should self quarantine for fourteen days. He said he quote probably would follow that advice quote kind of but he felt like he could go out if you really needed to as long as he wore a mask again. I didn't challenge him aside from explaining what I'd read about the limitations of relying on a mask. Although I did text and later to say that I really thought he should take his doctor's advice seriously the next day he texted that he probably had a cold and that he really liked to see me. I texted him. Alight reply turning him down a few days after that he tested positive. His nose are mild and he's going to be fine but I'm so annoyed yet. I can't linked to any specific character. Flaw it was stupid. But he's very smart. It was arrogant. But he's very humble. It was irresponsible. But he's a caring and competent father to his two kids. This seems like a pandemic specific bailing. That has mostly to do with being chronically optimistic. He's always sending me. Everything's going to be fine texts which just exacerbate my irritation. I don't want to break up with him and I think I just need to let this go. He's properly self quarantining now but emotionally. I just don't feel any attraction for him right now and I'm not engaging beyond maybe one text today about his health. I can't think of a way to address this. That doesn't sound accusing. I'm not into you after that. Damn dangerous thing. You did doesn't seem constructive. Also feels pretty terrible to be mad at a guy for being sick. Can you think of any kind of productive conversation? I certainly can Monica I'm curious to know before I go into you. Know my whole. Here's exactly what I think you should do thing. Did you have a particular sense one way or the other of what you thought this letter writers priorities ought to be right now? I feel like it seems like she is not really too stressed about the overall situation. I'm guessing that she is practicing social distancing. I realized that I'm saying she and I don't actually know that this writer is a woman So this letter seems like their life is probably pretty okay. And they're just dealing with being annoyed about their boyfriend Yeah I mean. My first reaction was the writer. Says it feels pretty terrible to be mad at a guy for being sick. But this writer isn't mad at him for being sick. The raiders mad about the way. He acted when he knew that he could have potentially very contagious disease. And he's out in the world even though his doctor told him not to so. I think the first thing is to say like you're not mad at him for being sick. Yeah that strikes me is super important. I also noticed throughout this letter not only the attempt to downplay her own theory real frustration for very obvious behavior that is not simply being sick But the self awareness around. I sometimes don't realize my emotions until a little time has passed. I often have a high internal need to keep a conversation running smoothly which is excellent self awareness. But I I noticed that that is coming into play again by the end of the letter like they've already managed to convince themselves because he claims to be self quarantine properly. Now which is he. He doesn't sound like he's actually taking it very seriously. He continues to be sending you a lot of texts about how everything's going to be fine when it's demonstrably not fine so I think that that might there be again. Another attempt to smooth things over like yes. It was a problem then but I'm sure it's not now. I don't feel the same level of confidence that he is properly. Self quarantining so so. I don't think this is necessarily something that you need to relegate to the past and then on top of it you say like I don't actually feel any attraction for him right now but I think I need to. Just get over this. Which is that that really has me concerned that you're this Convinced that if you no longer feel attracted to someone but you've convinced yourself that they're a good person that you need to just get over it and keep dating them that to me is like That's really worrying because You should allow yourself to be honest with yourself if you don't feel attracted to someone. You should not your sponsor that should not be get over with. Walk it off. Get it together. Find your attraction to him. Does that make sense? Yes definitely I couldn't tell if the writer has actually talked to Matt about what the writer thinks about how. He was conducting himself while he was waiting for a diagnosis. And I know that the writer says can you think of any kind of productive conversation and I'm wondering if they may be need to think about productive conversations different way like having a conversation about this doesn't have to lead to any sort of decision or action. Productive conversation could just be sharing like hey. I wasn't able to express this when this was all happening. But now that it's been a few days like I was really upset that you ignored your doctor's advice. It seemed pretty selfish. And that's out of character for you. Why did you do that? And maybe just like explain how you feel and give him a chance to respond. Acknowledge your feelings and that that might make you feel a lot better and maybe put you on a good path again. I feel he heard of conversation. Doesn't doesn't necessarily have to be more than just like sharing an asking and maybe come away from it feeling better or maybe you come away with it realizing like hey this guy is generally carrying an is generally humble is generally smart but I can't be attracted to him anymore now that I've seen him behave this way they get to. That makes a lot of. I think that's so helpful to especially because it seems like the letter writer kind of feels like if I'm not willing to break up with him I can't bring it up at all because You know either I could stick to my guns and dump him or I could just tell him that. I'm bothered by something that's already happened. There's no point in doing that because you can't change the past and that kind of mindset I think is one that's really useful when you want to convince yourself that your feelings are a problem to be smoothed over. But yeah like my. I think that a good definition of a productive conversation isn't necessarily one where Matt says you're right. I was wrong. I'll never do that again. A productive version of this conversation would be you tell him honestly what your reaction was to his choices and he knows that about you whether that means he then you know has a real change of heart listens to you rethinks. His actions commenced behaving differently in the future or something a little less perfect than that or even if he acts like a jerk and you think actually now I do want to dump him. Any of those would strike me as productive outcomes but I think especially the thing that I really also just want to outline underlying rather Is You know it was stupid? But he's smart. He was arrogant but he's humble. It was irresponsible. But he's normally competent. People often behave In ways that are out of character. We have a phrase for that right. It's it's out of character Because almost no one is so perfectly consistent all the time that they never slip up or failed to live up to their own values. So you don't have to say like it's impossible to be upset because he's normally smart like smart people do dumb things in. You're allowed to say that was dumb You don't have to suddenly like Figure out a way to pretend didn't happen because they're normally smart. Yeah for sure and I think that this will be a good learning opportunity for the writer to learn more about learn more about her boyfriend out how they can handle these sort of disagreements about how to behave in certain circumstances. Yeah yeah and I feel like at this point. I'm kind of hammering point the same idea so I I will let this go after this but that sentence. I'm not into you after that dumb dangerous thing you did doesn't seem constructive. It only doesn't seem constructive if you consider the important thing to maintain a mass comfort and happiness. If that was your only priority sure it wouldn't be constructive but if your priority was were two adults in a relationship. Both of whom have important internal experiences values Thoughts ideas responses and. It's good for us both to know one. Another is thinking Then it's incredibly constructive. It's it's wildly constructive Because you are as much part of this relationship as mad as you are not in this relationship as Matt's facilitator you are in this relationship as you and if you have a response to something that Matt did which again I agree like I think it was selfish. I think it was irresponsible. I think it put other people at risk I you know it doesn't mean necessarily that. He's an evil stupid monster who would You know do you think maliciously like intentionally militias? But it's it's a bad thing that he shouldn't have done it. Make sense that you would want to talk to him about it so I think the conversation is not just productive but necessary an important You can have it without consigning him to eternal damnation. And I think with that we should move on This is getting even slightly easier. Were moving into easier and easier problems until eventually we wade back out into more difficult waters but I think the next letter is yours to read. This letter is noisy neighbors. Dear prudence as I write this. The person who lives above me is vacuuming their entire apartment and moving their furniture around while they do so. I understand that. It's a stressful. Time and cleaning is a common way of dealing with it for a number of good reasons. It's after ten PM. Quite choice would be better. Normally go upstairs and politely asked them if they can finish tomorrow. But I live in an area. That's on lockdown to the corona virus is a note appropriate here. What's the new etiquette for appropriately addressing problems with neighbors when you can't communicate in person? What are your thoughts on this way? My thought is that you know this. This writer could do a couple things. If they happen to have their neighbors phone number they could always give them a call or a text saying like. Hey could you please keep it down after ten Or if they don't WanNa do that like they could always get in touch with the apartment management End It might be helpful for the management to send a reminder to the whole building set People are home a lot right now and that being extra mindful of whatever quiet hours are established would be appreciated by all of their neighbors Yeah it seems pretty. Pretty low stakes. This writer doesn't mention like having sort of a tense existing relationship with the neighbor so it seems like there's a few options and if all of those fail. I think note would be totally appropriate. You could keep it really friendly and unconstitutional. And I'm sure your neighbor will understand and be happy to be a little white or after ten. Yeah I I think all that makes sense. I'm inclined to take a slightly different approach on this one But but only slightly I think the spirit is still very much the same I think the first thing that I would encourage the letter ready to bear in mind is this may be going on for a long time It may be much longer than just another week or two and everyone's going to run low on patience high on irritation because it is stressful and difficult to be. You know in one location most of the time even if you have an incredibly even if you're lucky and you managed to keep your job even if you have an incredibly like regimented schedule unit able to get like a wonderful appropriately. Socially distanced walk in every day. Like it's just going to be hard and so I think one thing that will really be helpful is whenever possible if you're able to acknowledge that we're all kind of living on top of each other even more so than usual right now. Part of what that's GonNa mean is within some reason. Sounds that aren't ideal Is there any way I can try to let this go to do that? So you know this has happened. It sounds like one time after ten PM. Yeah that sounds a little bit frustrating. But given the circumstances if I were in your position try to let it go and I would look for solutions that involves like earplugs headphones white noise machine. Whatever I could in my own space Before doing anything else I think if I were to encourage you to talk to your neighbors about anything it would be about trying to organize like a a rent strike. Given how many people are still being asked to pay their rent when they have been. Let go So that I think would be the thing that I would encourage you to talk to your neighbors about before you went to the vacuuming but all that to say yes. You're still allowed to to ask them to keep their vacuuming to daytime hours And if that were the case probably again. 'cause like tempers are fraying. I WOULD STILL BE KNOCKIN. Like stand six feet from the door and kind of acknowledge like hey just wanted to say hi. I know this is all wild. I'm staying inappropriate distance away. I'm not interested in like trying to get in your personal space mentioned the vacuuming and also like ask if they need anything. Ask how they're doing if that's not possible. Then then I would say do the no but like my first thing is like try to let it go. My second thing is see if you can help organize a rent strike. My third thing is talk to them. In person fourth would write. Write a note. I think that makes a ton of sense. Yeah I'm just like I've learned a lot of things about various people on my block in the last couple of weeks and it's just like as long as no one is trying to actively set my house on fire. We are all trying to get through like unbelievably challenging circumstances. There are people like trapped at home now with kids people who've lost their jobs people are trying to stay alive insane and so I'm doing my best To whatever extent a candidate say like we're we're all doing our best and it's we're not under normal apartment etiquette rules Which is hard. I wish that we were. I'm sorry but Yeah my best advice. Here is find a way to make peace with the fact that there's not going to be a lot of peace Okay next letter I believe this one is me. We're moving away from from more topical subjects. So it's Kinda Nice to to open our Lens. Backup to other kinds of problems that people can have. The subject of. This is very charming. It's let me be a twinkie. In peace and then in parentheses getting people to respect your gender dear prudence I'm non binary I use the pronouns and spent years creating my style which has ended up fairly fem. The issue is that I was assigned female at birth and people keep using this as a reason to miss gender me slash Nazi Mia's trance. I consider myself pretty mask and I love how Queer myfm ish outfits field. It's starting to really bother me. And while changing my body to align with how I see myself is a long term solution I can't medically transition until I'm completely financially independent from my family while believe most aspects of gender are self determined how people see me is definitely a factor in how I conceptualize myself and navigate the world until I can start t should I compromise my style to stop strangers and people in my life thinking of me as a woman or keep on at it and suck it up for a few more years. I didn't feel so much affection tenderness for you letter writer and I hope it doesn't cross. Come across as flippant when I say I can't promise you that starting T- Will Stop Strangers or people in your life from thinking of you as a woman Which I don't say to be at all like dismissive or nothing will ever change the way in which people like automatically gender you There's there's lots of things that that can useful and helpful if that's the goal but It is also one of the like true and often difficult realities of transition that hormonal transition does not automatically or quickly or thoroughly or always efficiently. GET PEOPLE TO GENDER. You appropriately so again. I don't say that to be like don't bother. Nothing will work so much as I think. If you think of it in terms of either this is the thing that will get me what I want. an until I have that Nothing we'll do it or putting all your eggs in that basket of like once I start doing this. This problem will be over because I think if when that day comes if you do continue to experience that even if it's only some of the time it will feel I think additionally painful of God I had the emotional reserves to think if I can just get through the next two years until I'm financially independent of being mis gendered then I'll start tea and I won't be mis gendered And just there. There are people who are on. T. For years and years and still get mis gendered so I hope that you know you're you're able to change that right away. I hope that you immediately get Gendered and the way that you need but I just want to start off by saying while all of those are really good long-term goals to have it's also I think important to figure out a variety of ways to Way Different sometimes competing interests When it comes to Medical transition when it comes to getting dressed for the day when it comes to engaging in sometimes difficult conversations with people in your life And you want to Way them all differently. I think sorry. I realize that's like a very long winded way of saying you'll have to consider this all the time Not just push it off until Sunday after you start. T yeah I I feel like this letter. Writer is in such a difficult position because it seems like they're trying to like ideally the entire world would gender them correctly. Use the right CONAN's without the letter writer having to put any thought into it but they're putting a ton of into it and I it seems like when they're talking about compromising their style to get people to stop thinking of them as a woman. I was interpreting that as like should I dress in a way that makes it easier for people to understand that I am non binary right and I think. I had a couple of thoughts about the way that that was framed. I thought one of them the kind of like the implication of should I compromise. My style was like you know. Should I wear something I hate and try to dress up as much like a lumberjack? As possible In order to communicate something to other people and I think that's not quite the only option that's available to them and I think it's important not to think of it as either I wear my style And I feel pain or I compromise and get what I want so much as There's a lot of different things that you can bear in. Mind when you think about how you WanNa address given day and that also dressing does not always automatically result in other people understanding. What we're trying to communicate internally. Does that make sense? Yeah it does to me which is I. It's hard to because then there's also that sense of like well if I started dressing with an eye towards attempting to read As some version of non binary unlike obviously trying to read as non binary is Pretty Binary. Commune so very many different things. I think often what that translates into his. I'm attempting to look more drowsiness. In the hopes that people will see something like androgen in my outfits on my body and then recognize that and affirm that through language which is also Something that's bound up a lot in various ideas and assumptions about bodies about race about class about fashion. So it's a it's a difficult prospect and Mostly I think I want the letter writer to know that there's nothing wrong with attempting to style yourself on a daily basis with different principles like if one day you feel like. I want to see what dressing in a way like if ya I know. People sometimes find language around passing really uninteresting or unhelpful or unsupportive. I totally get that that said. It's also okay. If you want to try one day and say like my goal is to try to get cert- At some point and I wonder if this outfit will help you get there and I'm doing it as an experiment I'm not committing to it for the rest of my life. There are ways to do it that might be in some ways consistent with some of my values of style there might be ways to do it. The feel really dispiriting but to approach it with a spirit of curiosity rather than. I like if I start doing this. I'm compromising. I'm giving up on some important part of WHO I am like. You are allowed to try different things and say like Oh. That did get me a Serb. I didn't like the way that it happened. Or I felt more congruence in some ways but I didn't get the anyways and that sucked even more To to try different things in to see what happens And to see what you feel like you enjoy what you can live with what you WanNa do. Sometimes but only sometimes what you hate and don't ever want to do to investigate all that for yourself. Is I think really important and I think in addition to all of this To recognize I think possibly more important than then investigating what other things you can ask of your clothing and of your style. Do you have any people in your life. Who Do gender you correctly who do see you is trans. Even if they're not people who live near you or who you see every day because will really help I think to Invest in relationships with people Who Do Value Recognize Your Trans Ness And don't attempt to use the fact that you're not able to access certain aspects of medical transition right now as a reason to dismiss your transnet. I think that's going to be really really critical. In addition to whatever choices you make around wardrobe good luck you know. I have also been there. I have made a number of various choices. I think lots of my early transition was characterized by various attempts to kind of dress in a lot of different ways to see how it looked and how it felts things that I thought would Kind of result in a certain response from other people didn't always happen. I guessed wrong. Sometimes they guessed right. Sometimes I was surprised what I was wearing on days when I got third So all of which is just to say I have been there I have also picked up outfits where later I was like. This is too dour and serious and severe and maybe it got me the search today but it will cost And and so you're allowed to try things and then abandoned them if they don't work out especially when it comes to close all right we're we're heading back into slightly slightly more complicated territory. I'm glad you get to read this next letter. Because it's it's it's long and it's complicated. Yes this letter is bizarre. Dear prudence. I'm in my mid twenties and have been dating Nina for nine months Nina works. That still lives at home with her mother and teenage sister Nikki. Nikki has been demanding the gifts I have given Mina over her relationship. Designer purrs nice makeup and the loaned. Laptop she will walk into Nina's room and steal from her. Their mother does nothing to punish Nikki and instead lectures Nina about sharing like she's a toddler. Nina is the one working to keep a roof over their heads and her mother treats her like this. It's abusive Nina. Will Not move in with me. Because she's afraid her mother will not be able to make the rent otherwise I convinced her to at least with the majority of her belongings with me. We went while their mother was at work and packed up. Nina's clothes and other belongings. Nikki started to scream and hit Nina when she went into room to get the store and stuff. I got between them and told Nikki if she tried to hit me. She didn't like the outcome. She threatened to call the cops. I laughed and told her to go ahead. She was the fief here. I could put a paid for. Nikki sat on the couch quietly until we left. Nina stayed with me a few days and then went back to talk to her mother. It didn't go well. Their mother accused me of terrorizing Nikki while ignoring Nikki left actual bruises on. Nina's basically living with me right now. She doesn't have a lot of close girlfriends. I love Nina but I don't know what to help her. Her mother has screwed with her head and Nina doesn't seem to think she deserves good. Things only Nikki went to. I do hear roof yes. This is quite a situation. It seems like the writer is sort of Nina's only support and that's gotta be really tough feeling all of that pressure if she doesn't have other friends that she's talking to about this situation. It's great that the writer is trying to be supportive. It sounds like beyond just the living situation. Maybe Nina should join a support group or find a counselor. It sounds like she's got maybe some deeper issues to work on beyond just the relationship with her mother and her sister and yeah I I also feel complicated because I know that the letter writer is able to see the ways in which Nina's mother and sister mistreat her but I also see the ways in which the letter writers intervention has made life more difficult for Nina yet. It doesn't seem like going in threatening the sister to accuse her of being a thief was gonNA improve anybody's relationships right especially the like macho posturing of a gap between them and told Nikki. If she tried to hit me she wouldn't like the outcome That's unnecessarily escalating. That didn't help anything that was about your ego and that was you know threatening to increase the violence in the situation and you can see that. That had an effect on Nikki. She sat on couch quietly until we left like she froze up. She tried to make herself as small as possible. She was just hoping that the two of you would not continue to escalate so I I think one thing that's really important for you. Letter writer is unique to not be around Nikki or Nina's mother like you need to do whatever you need to do to make sure that you're not in the same room with them because I don't currently trust your ability to actually look out for Nina in those moments. I think that you would convince yourself that you were doing something for her. It would actually have more to do with trying to get one over on Nikki who I agree. Sounds like a really unpleasant and unreasonable person. But you're not gonNA get anywhere by like daring this teenage girl into hitting you see you can hit her back. That's not the way out of the situation for Nina. Does that make sense? He I agree. I think Get sounds like there's a lot of tension and like physical conflict between these sisters which is not good but the writer getting involved doesn't seem like it is going to make anything better and could just make things whole hours for everyone. Yeah so any situation where you find yourself. Threatening violence to a teenage girl is not a situation. You need to seek out again. And it doesn't matter how much provocation she lobbed your way you need to as a responsible adult in your mid twenties avoid situations where you believe. You'll be tempted to threaten a teenage girl So don't do that again I think you can continue to encourage Nina to talk to a therapist to talk to other people To Talk to you But getting angry and belligerent. Back at these angry and belligerent. People is not going to help her the help that she needs. We'll have to do with the kind of like internal work of saying. I don't deserve treatment like this. I deserve peace. A deserve respect I deserve physical safety What do I need financially emotionally? Structurally professionally order. Get those things for myself. Those are all things that you can pointer in the direction of support. Her as she pursues those things. You can't just force them on her. You can't just do it for her. So I think trying to keep a really Specific sense of your role here will be helpful to you and your role here is at the very least to not make. Nina's life more difficult and to not threaten violence Two teenage girls. No matter how rude those teenage girls are to your girlfriend or to you or how awful their mother is. That's I think. Just my biggest advice here is you need to take a huge step back and figure out ways to be actually helpful and to not go over to that house again. Yeah this is I think we were able to kind of run. The gamut today of big little problems both topical and Non Topical and Mostly just feel for everybody trying to get through each day. How are you holding up? Monica are your neighbors vacuuming a lot. Are you at home right now are you? Are you doing the the whole shelter in place thing where you're at Yes I'm in Seattle. So we are sheltering in place I'm recording this from my bedroom closet. I have wonderful neighbors on both sides of me who have kids who are enjoying the beautiful sunny weather that we're having today. I'm I'm coping pretty well. All things considered like I said. I'm an indoorsy introvert anyway. So not a whole lot has actually changed in my daily life beyond. I don't go to my office to do my work anymore. I'm doing it at home. Yup Yup well. I'm glad that it's sunny and beautiful. I am also in my bedroom closet. Funny Enough Because the quietest place in the House and But Yeah I've I've really just resigned myself to like there's not going to be quiet everyone's At home I have one neighbor across the street. I think who's been playing like via the Krunia St- Dean Martin songs imaginable like. Most of his songs are pretty Kuni but like on top of that the crew ones just blast in them every afternoon and it's just like guess. I'm listening to Dean Martin Today. That's just it is what it is. There could be choices. That might be less pleasant than that. So yeah all things considered that seems like a pretty decent thing to be listening to. It could be way worse. It could be a so much worse. I'm frankly grateful for Dina and I'm sure there will be days when I look back and I'm like Oh those. Were wonderful times when when that was going on so. I'm trying to count my blessings as much as I can Monica. Thank you so much For hanging out in your bedroom closet for a little while and answering these questions with us and just take care and stay safe. Thank you so much for having me. Danny this was so much fun. Thanks for listening to dear prudence producer Phil Circus. Our theme music was composed by Robin Hilton. Don't miss an episode of the show had sleep dot com slash dear prudence to subscribe and remember. You can always hear more prudence joining sleep plus go to slate dot com slash. Pretty pod to sign up. If you want me answer your question call me and leave a message at four zero one. Three seven one dear. That's three to seven. You don't have to use your real name or location. Keep it short thirty seconds. A minute tops. Thanks for listening And here's a preview of our slate plus episode coming this Friday. I noticed the number of times this letter included words like limitations holding us back crawling. Failing escape is like constant and relentless and so obviously this particular trip is probably not going to go forward but yet do I think if you had this to do over again you could have had better conversations than the ones that you failed to have. Absolutely I would not encourage you to sit someone down and say nine or ten times in a row. 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How To Bet the Fountain of Youth Stakes 2020

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How To Bet the Fountain of Youth Stakes 2020

"This is the Tabet horseracing. Tibet horseracing podcast. Today we talk with Daddy Sucker about Saturday's Fountain of youth stakes and the inaugural Saudi Cup. Now here's your host and Derosa. Welcome back to the Kentucky Derby trail the fifty point races re-commence this weekend with about butte stakes. The Lone Star on the Derby Tro this week. Next week we'll have plenty of action. Coast to coast the costume takes center stage. Here and Dennis's moment takes the spotlight in the Fountain of Youth. Making his three year old debut and he will have to earn it as any as well. Should they win the Fountain of Youth? A field of twelve and plenty of compelling storylines as well as compelling handicapping angles to help sort through out a wager on the Fountain of Youth Stakes from predictive form. Dot Com back on the show. Danny's Ker Danny. How are you good to be airhead? Good to have you and it was two weeks ago. We discuss the risen star and we didn't have I'm not sure if we actually pinpointed the winner so to speak from an odd top perspective but I do think our approaches to the race Pretty much spot on in terms of horses trying to be and ways you could approach To make the most money out of those races so Improvement here would mean would probably call deck the try which is always a fun thing to do but feel like we're we're seeing the ball on the among these three year olds right right and as they develop a little bit more get some stability under their racing style it just like the NFL on talked to a bunch of pro betters. That are friends of mine. They do better in the second half of the season because they get to see what the first half of the season looks like week. One of the NFL in two thousand nine hundred. And you're looking at the two thousand eighteen season so here we have some recent races under our belt. We can look at figures we can look at progression or regression and it does. It gets a little bit easier seeing the Baltimore clearly for sure at Rit Is One of ten stakes on the fourteen race car article streaming all graded stakes pick five And solve them all to rates wagers. It's the last of fourteen races Dennis's moment chance it will get to as we go through the field. Sometimes we start with the headliners but I felt like you and I both felt like this race was deep enough that we can just go inside out and The first Amarillo is number one. Candy tycoon and I was actually interested. this one a little bit. Danny I thought finally broke through with the maiden win going around the sixteenth here Gulfstream so tracking when at the track and distance Certainly has the look at least on brisket of one that would need to improve But this is the time of year they do it. Yeah I I was pleased saving the reversal figure meeting that the horse ran a final for a final figure. Faster than a four furlong figure is a positive sign. there's forward movement and then regression forward movement in regression still seems a little bit like this. Horses Young. Maybe not quite there yet Afford move off that seventy one here might cement this worse as a potential derby but this is one of those verses that looks to be put in baby. There's a chance he breaks out of a of where he is and can step up but little too slow though. I am seeing Forward Movement for the Horse but not somebody we would use. Maybe in the top three. I'm keen keen to see where the price ends up right. I'd probably even want a little more than fifteen to one. But he's on my sort of bubble list of right of horses. I consider if the price drifts to his outside is of course I will not be considering In that is Cobb in Just Just seems to float of to be blind right. Well definitely the horses to slow right. So that's don't need the pace figures. Who are the peace to figure that out? The one thing I can point to about the horse is there's slight forward movement and improvement and a wider dirt spread which means the horses running a little bit faster later even though the horses very slow unbeatable in every position. But if you're going deep and superficial you would have to include the two in the fourth position. That would be about all at which say. Now you don't have to do anything would be wise to include. The two Nita by TAP is out of Kodiak Cowboy mayor so You know even from a pedigree standpoint tough to get too excited but yet we the longest shot on the board. So as you said. There's an enough to like that if if you're right about the top three don't don't let them beat you out of the super pretty similar for me with Master Day I'm Brits Net. His best race was winning on debut. with the Double Bug Who's up here but you don't get the the bug With it being a stakes race with six to one that day. Hate to be critical. The Gulfstream Park West form. But I'm guessing probably wants the best groups and he's regressed in each of his last two starts on Brisson another one. That just seems up against it. Yeah figure wise. Too Slow and similar with the Falcon have we know. Lucia isn't afraid to take a shot and this one's actually a Bayden did did a little bit of running late Last out net Mile RACE TURF wave power. But he's actually the slowest of the three. We've talked about hard to imagine that it's gotten worse from what said about the last two but just looks completely overmatched. Yep Agree to slow from the outhouse to the PENTHOUSE Maybe not the winner but certainly going to be the favorite Dennis's moment when breaking his maiden at Ellis Park by nineteen links in a more workmanlike effort when tracking horses in the Iroquois and then a disaster in the Breeders Cup Juvenile Nine to ten which Denison moment showed us up is his fast clearly the winner here or there even questions that's good enough so just perspective in. Let's detach whether there's trouble or not right A seventy at Ellis Park followed by a soft pattern seventy seven at Churchill at a similar distance are salad fingers and puts Dennis's moment in the top three figure wise so we have regression obviously because the horse had some trouble at the gate. Just it's very hard to predict the form wise or otherwise back a horse as a favorite at this age. Who finds himself in trouble and even if he breaks cleanly the figures support three or four others here. That could run competitively with him so the odds would be there for us. I think morning line is what to to to one. Yeah yes yup to one yeah. There's not a lot of even shorter to be right. So this may be the wolves with Dennis's moment. If you like the horse would be the big future bad on right. So let's say he improves here. He gets stable and really the the goal here is to get around the track with healthy without any issues. So let's say he improves. He finishes in the top three. Maybe he fires. It gets close in the Florida Derby gets primed for the Kentucky Derby looking to come off say a new pay stop which he hasn't had yet I think maybe a future bed at twenty two one if he could find that somewhere but not not for us said not in the top position Yeah he's he's going to be sure actually agree with you. I think if you're a backer You almost long-term backer. You almost kind of see that effort he can build off of I mean he's already has a ton of exposure in the Bookmaking Derby markets but next week's future wagers para mutual so people abandoned him and the winners There's a shot at a price there with some upside but you know Lynn Tier. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA keep pounding him S Seen on TV. I'm interested in and other sort of worried about where he's going to end up price wise couple fast races now. He finally gets to stretch out to two terms. Which being by looking at lucky out of pulpit Maher certainly Augurs well for some improvement Again a couple of fast numbers didn't get the chance at last out But maybe the to turn amount of sixteenth turns the tables I'd be okay with nine to two again a worried that this one takes a bit more money than that but certainly one of the more intriguing wants for me. Great well so the Horse has not run a reversal pattern yet. The horse hasn't run a faster final figure than a four furlong figure if you look at dirt spreads on as seen on TV. They're shrinking which means the horse is learning to run faster later. Which is what you want to see. I would imagine that the horse is going to run a reversal pattern this race. Which means that it will be sitting on. Its best race after the start right so to me. This is the setup race for the race afterwards which might be the Florida Derby wherever they decide to shift the horse. I think the horses GonNa show a a more rating ability. Here is probably is going to improve figure. Wise will run a reversal. And we'll be better next time but not for me here. Another another one on the watchlist regardless of what happens here Maybe watch him not be interesting at all if it's a disastrous effort but yeah I agree you know. There are point for May second long-term Country Grammar. This is probably my my top pick. I I love the price I love shown list. won't say stretching now because he's actually came back off the win but tunnel assistance tire. I've really thought of one that can have is three year olds. Develop and get better as the year goes on Needed amount eight to break his maiden. Got Time off for this. Maybe up against it in terms of what we've seen so far but I just Guest in Chad. We trust they paid four hundred fifty thousand for this one Paul pompous been here before I just I'm intrigued. And I think fifteen to one zero right price rates and I don't believe you're GONNA get fifty to one ED. Meyer less Less definitely I've talked to a few people that it seems like country grammar from a figure perspective. I need from our figures. The horse ran a has the whitest dirt spread. Meaning the difference between the final figure on the four furlong figure is the largest in the field. The last words we saw with this kind of differential over the rest of the field was country house. Right Country House had the biggest start spreading the Derby so sigler wise. The worst certainly figures value wise. Let's say I think if you could get double digits like twelve to one. Yeah for sure. The horses playable in the top three for us. I'm not. I'm not sure you're going to get that in a with Chad. We trust with the obvious note notion that the horses improve think and it has the ability to run on where the rest of the field are. Much of this field might not. You might not get that that long odds but yeah for us in the top three for sure with country grammar gear. Jackie his outside I really wanted to make a case for this one on the leper ru fan and a couple of my colleagues actually Like like this. A Little Bit McLean and Scott Shapiro. Both certainly Has the look of a big price. Twenty two on the morning line and s run some okay races He's been on. The lead is pressed taskforce's Just you know eighty nine Britain at top and that's nowhere near good enough Any indication that he can prove three or four lights here well. The two worst races are on dirt. Right he's got a fifty six plunged line and a double top sixty six Which can be a little. Bit misleading here. His turf races are solid. If he ran back to his turf figures on dirt he could finish in third or fourth. So that would be maybe the place. We would put my hard pressed back on top in the second position. Skier Jockey His outside Liam's Lucky charm who was five point seven to one in the risen star. Just two weeks ago comes right back for Ralph necks and You know obviously some trouble there. breaking through the gate Was in contention and then just completely threw in the towel you know break in through the gate. I guess gives you some reason to maybe find an excuse? I don't understand why their right-back here in two weeks especially you know. It's it's too were strays by far by far were you know to turns on the dirt so spend a lot of time dismissing fifteen to one but You know he might. He might take money. If people are willing to give a Mulligan and I just at the time of year you want to be going the wrong way look. We talked about that WTOP. He ran a Tampa that eighty two final figure which was faster than the entire field coming into the risen star and I just thought that the horse would regress off that race which he did right. We didn't consider liens lucky charm. The regression was significant. And the Horse looks to be going the wrong way. And I don't understand this kind of move where might be time to Might be the right thing to give the horse a little time off. And if the Horse Fires and fires a big number not edible back again. But I don't think in this race Liam's is gonNA is gonNA run very well to say that but I will be better to say it would be better to say that I we would act or nor will I Shots in other one. I'm not too interested in although I am curious about Johnny. V A jumping aboard with the pletcher. He recently went on in the race That speaks at least the his agent that thinks this is the one to rise to wire in the Ramsden Couldn't couldn't get the job done in the woods withers Max Player. Blew Him Gets the cutback here. Domain of sixteenth would should help with his run style but he is on the outside. There's other speeding here. And what some name recognition just has the field and underlay to me. Probably so has a good russell pattern of Churchill. Wanted acqueduct ran a seventy aquidneck. Which by the way is not too bad. It was pretty much a compression line where the final figure in the four furlong figure. Were about the same These aqueduct numbers in the wintertime shade on the lower side. So I'm not going to dismiss. Sixty nine is being too slow in the field a I would think he's got potential underneath. I think he's going to be there. improving late got into. How well he's going to do with. Who's going to take to the Gulfstream surface which tends to play really fast Would have to run back to his Churchill race. Which in our minds was his best figure lifetime so consideration for underneath not on top and he has co highway with Dennis's moment which I know you're you're feeling I'm wait. It's basically baked into the price. Ray Ready but I I take note Y'know eleven is a Tae Indian Renoir hearted you know. Really discount what we've seen from him so far. I usually talk more about the speed ratings. Leave the pace to you but I will say. His pace ratings empress Very impressive and Diana sat outside post to deal with here but Of of all the horses his ratings seemed to indicate that He he can. Uh you can deal with the outside and get a good Either pressing trip or right on the lead I'm interested to one but another one of those I could see maybe taking too much money and will be eager to see where the board lands on this one right. I I agree with you. There figure wise. Though his last race was seventy nine final figure at an eighty four furlong figure which was a double top fastest four furlong and final figure of his lifetime but they weren't shoe dog. I mean they weren't just like massively forward moves so that gives me some sense that maybe he could come back and run another race. Pricewise got value. You Know Ed. I think he's the fastest here if he can carry it for a while which he might be able to look be runs back to this race. Who'S GONNA win? And if he can get close to the morning line he would be worth worth a wind bet for us. It's crazy though. Wtop when Kerry created double top it was assigned like typically a horse would regress after double top race. It just happens to be as a three year old. We can discount that a little bit. Because horses breakthrough their tops and went crazy figures all the time out of nowhere and that that's enough to say keep eye on the board and it something like seven or eight to one. He would be a it would be a win and closing. It out is chances to who if you're a fan of even though it's the second twice on the morning by definitely has sort of an underdog feel By currency swap already some distance questions surrounding him he did a blow. The doors off Florida Sire orces Mid Two year old year at Gulfstream at this distance Waters obviously getting deeper here. But it's the number of powers their Certainly as a jockey knows his way around in one of the hottest trainers in the game and he's the prime power selection as well But for me I I'm just not a believer seven to to get prices a little short but not that we're GONNA wind up at seven to two by post time. Figure wise last race was good first. Time ran a faster final figure than four furlong figure second time. Actually first time was Race prior so there's improvement there there's a dirt spread is shrinking a little bit I know I. I look for a horse to break out in this race. That's what I'm looking for somebody to break out in step up and show that they're a derby Considered a derby hopeful here. This horse looks has the looks of somebody that doesn't have that form right. I think the horse was GONNA run. Well certainly a play underneath Ed. But not the S. and especially from the outside. I don't even want to save the outside at at four to one or less not a win that for us. I agree Well that's the field horse by horse and surmised from our comments that At the Projected price based on the morning line. Indian is is the lean that BIA at seven or eight to one. Yes and Pretty interesting that you and I landed on the two horses that appear to have misspellings in their name. Well look country. Grammar has massive dirt spread right the Which means the horses going to becoming faster than the rest of these So certainly certainly value valuable. Dennis's moment I think is going to get over back as seen on. Tv is going to have to prove that as seen on TV and chances are similar in nature and so what winds up happening. When you bet you bet one you have to bet both right and now you're increasing your bet size with two favorites underneath right so this signals like this would be an opportunity for a win. Bet maybe for Eight I Indian or maybe exact back and forth but for me I would say country Grammar and shot Sqi more interesting than the two others than Dennis's moment as seen on TV or chance it now. We've talked about six horses. That could compete here. You can't do a six box. Maybe if we liked the bottom six of you can do really. Yeah not not when you're giving out for top free right place three on top over six underneath. You're cutting into your prophet and I don't never agree. I mean you gotta eat today. Could make a stand right. Make a stand and you know. It's a long term expectation and You know make a stand with your opinion. I guess I'll just Trust you and make it a pass line. Exact for me seven eleven. Yeah seven eleven. What are you get back on that? Typically afford a one right now. What is the? What is your pay eight to one? Oh Yeah Yo is a ron probably knows better than us. You must not know it though. Usually I get a quick tax What is Yo- it's thirty? Two one for two twelve so probably fifteen to one. This is look if worst runs big in this race I wouldn't bet back and I think eight Indians got as good a chance a better chance than the rest of the field and the morning line. Prices is edible for me. I'm not looking to get greedy by can get seventy two one who on push all right. We've talked about maybe doing the Saudi Cup. No information there is somewhat sparse but do have numbers for the Americans happen to get to it. Yeah we can. I can just pull them up as we talk about What do you want to start with? Maximum security yeah. I mean he's he's find that pin starting and ending point for me only because I happen to think he's the best horse in training and he's currently a A touch over five to international international markets. Eleven to four and I reached out to some people to see if they could get me down because I just I think he's better than everyone else. Yeah last two races. The race at Belmont was a new paste. Up Eighty came back docked at a mile and ran seventy six soft pattern meeting in hand. Hasn't found like we haven't seen the best of maximum security from pace figure perspective. But he's got he's got more upside than downside and looks to be trending forward so his an. He's going to be an exciting Orson. I didn't realize that's the price of not seems like it's a pretty generous figure for him. Yeah well part of that. Reason is they are betting McKinsey and Mutual Gustavo. Who is the Baffert duo McKinsey seen since the Breeders Cup? Classic runner-up to Roseau Mitchell Cousteau Believe of all these is run. Most recent which I was the Pegasus Cup win any any clues with either of them which Gustavo's got a wide dirt spread his fast any scattered. Big Dirt spread Remind me how far they're going to one turn. Yeah I mean is I could see why he's getting action. It looks a little bit slower and maybe off top but you can't. You can't really not which occurs go figure out Mackenzie standby we've of course search feature that if you if you sign up you can search individual horses which is Kinda cool article. Yeah because he's going the wrong way I would say McKinsey and if you look at his fingers is so check out. His last five figures final figures. She Ready Eighty Five. Eighty three eighty one. Seventy eight seventy four and if you were to grasp at our own way and if you graph that out which we have a feature where you can just look at grass if people are visual and they just WanNa look at the way of worship trending. It's the wrong way. Oh Yeah from a figure perspective unbeatable. What is because these odds Believe three to one yet. There's my throw out. We're not been saying she's just not fast enough right. If not fast enough in going the wrong way seventy nine. Seventy five seventy one. Last final figures looks to be trending down again if you were to look at midnight be sues visual since a Belmont in the summer of last year. Eighty one seventy six seventy nine seventy five seventy one slow trend the wrong way. So that's that's how you know. Remember predict the forum is is a pattern based algorithm rights so it looks for courses in its sorts through data to determine horses that are going to move forward or regress. It doesn't necessarily inside one number speed figure so it allows you to look at a worse without the odds without jockey without the distance or anything. Just compare these horses across the board and see whether horses moving the right direction wrong direction of course can going the wrong direction and still win or can be going the right direction and still loose but the foundation of the analysis and the math says if the horses going the wrong direction even if it reverses its form. It's still not going to be fast enough in this to win so I would say with midnight. Be Su And also Mackenzie their their short horses. Odds wise that looked to be heading the wrong direction that even with a forward move are not going to be fast enough for us to back. And that's that's what you look for in handicapping trying to pick a winner is not necessarily getting to the winner but finding some favorites that you can push to the side. That's my rant of the day I'm sticking to it. Beating favorites is definitely the key to long-term success. I'd say maximum security could be even money In this race. I'm hoping I can. I don't think they'll be eleven to four in the Para mutual worldwide pool. So I really hope I can. I can get down on that in the in the book. Making markets but Interesting race for twenty million But much more excited about the Fountain of Youth that I think there's some opportunity there. If you're on Indian I like country grammar certainly excited to see what. Dennis's moment doesn't return as a three year old and Was Exciting to have you on Danny. Really appreciate the time always a pleasure. I love go to the races and spending time looking at these figures in trying to predict what these young three year olds are GONNA do. We still have six weeks till I guess more than that now. Almost two months to the Derby and I you know so far from my perspective. I think the risen star has been the best raisins going to produce. Who I like that race from the I've seen I think it was the second. Division had not the first division where it looks to be the strongest race so far of this Road to the triple crown wrote to the Derby as as it should be for fifty points. the raiders. Two of those races the third of which is the Fountain of Youth and Yeah we're nine weeks away from the Derby but You're right about six weeks because the PREPS end In six weeks so Plenty to discuss. That goes down future wager next week. some points races. And then I'll be heading to Arkansas for the rebel so Plenty to go over and Della Ford Avenue back on all right. Sounds good catching next week? They had good luck. Danny's upper everyone predict a forum dot com the place to go for full card numbers of all the races. And more that we talk about and plenty of other Cool Easter eggs there The horse search etcetera. Check that out of course This weekend with the Fountain of Youth at Blockbuster Kartik off stream plenty of great information at personnel. As well and watch and wager on everything. Coast to coast and worldwide twin spires. Join US next week. Thanks everybody this has been the. How horse racing horse racing podcast?

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How To Bet the Risen Star Stakes 2020

How To Bet Horse Racing Podcast

26:34 min | 8 months ago

How To Bet the Risen Star Stakes 2020

"This is the Tabet horse racing horse racing podcast today. We talk with Danny Zucker about both the visions of the risen star stakes at the fairgrounds in New Orleans. Now here's your host Ed Derosa Kentucky. Derby Championship series is here and we're back on. How to Bet horseracing podcast with the first fifty point races of the season. Split Division of the Risen Star stakes and excited to welcome back a staple of the podcast. Danny Zuckerberg predict a forum. Dot Com Danny. How are you? What's going on happy to be here? Happy to have you and we have Split Divisions of the Risen Star which will get to and then there's the El Camino Golden Gate and the southwest on Monday at Oakland. But again we will be discussing the care of divisions In the risen star stakes at fairgrounds foregin into the racist themselves. Danny I know one thing Predict a form is useful with Because of the form cycle nature of the information is identifying three year olds either on their way up or down give us sort of a primer of the things you look for. Tell you whether you're going in the right around direction on the dirty sale right. This is really when the I think the figure shine for me when I look for most Ed is a reversal of running style. So the first time a horse is able to run a faster final. Figure that four furlong figure on predictive for them so so flopping it's running style from forward running ores to a you know learning how to pace itself for me. That ability to switch is shows a three year old. Who's learning how to run and will run better at long distance? And there's a handful of horses in here that That are decent odds. That have. That's warm cycle pattern that we'll talk about. Is it possible to go be going in the wrong direction or for you to see a negative earlier? In the year that can't be reversed. And maybe you jump back on that horse closer to Derby or is it more wants to go and go and wrong. Nervy says two top to win to make up the ground. Who'd be I would say the ladder if if you I mean. Obviously there's exceptions to every rule but once a three year old starts heading the wrong direction. It's going to take the horse. A couple races to swing back to the form cycle pattern and that might be due to a surface change at distance. Change you know. We just don't know so for me. We WanNA see steady improvement. We were betting these Derby prep races. And we'll talk about a couple of horses in here. I think there's probably two or three horses in here. That will wind up running in the Derby because their form cycle patterns just looked so tight and right on where they should be you know early in their three year old career right so before we get into the first division Just real quick on the Derby seen in general. Is there any horse not running in prison star That you're excited about right now or that you've already played in future wager now not yet it just just a little too early for me. All right While Dennis's moments the horse I'm really looking forward to seeing return. But we're GONNA have to wait two weeks for that. He'll be in the fountain to us on Leap Day. Kickoff empowered but we'll kick things off in the championship series with the risen star again. Two races Fifty points to the winner of each four hundred thousand dollars. Total purse in each of the racist so a lot of money points on on the line. Danny it does start with that first division race. Twelve thirteen Saturday fairgrounds I think maybe the better force in Division Two. The division does appear more competitive. Yeah I'm not sure if the better horses in division two. There's a couple of strong runners in this race that that look interesting Lead US off well. So if you look at number one digital and we talked about this sort of reversal informed cycle pattern. The horse has three form cycle patterns and negative pattern. A new pace top into a reversal is last race. Was what I what I talked about it. Which was this form cycle patterns so the horse ran a faster. Four figure for a furlong figure that a final figure has changed. Running style now has learned how to run faster later the reversal pattern and the final seventy five just like a very good horse all good signals. That you know the form cycle pattern is there. Digital's going to improve definitely excited to see him. Run back Off The maiden win in part because he beat A friend of mine tour so when he when he broke the maiden And even though he didn't get the job done it did seem like the type of effort to to build off of and I'm not look. I'm not a huge fan of stallions but into mischief was a top twenty nineteen. I mean I believe stallions is built into the odds in. There's not a huge edge there but intimacy intimacy if was the top twenty thousand nineteen Asya out there not done very well in graded stakes races. So that's a positive. I think you know the two others that I would be looking at this race. If you don't mind would be I don't You Know Silver State looks interesting if you what's interesting about silver state is if you look at his three final figures. They're all in the seventy four range but his four for a long figures have declined from eighty one to seventy five to sixty eight right. So he's got a widening dirt spread which is another indication of a horse. Moving forward In this race again off reversal pattern similar to digital. So I'll be keeping an eye on both of those two and for me it'll be more of You know where the odds odd shakeout and Silver States I can't imagine They wanted to be that far back but he did have some trouble at the break. And then was Y. Turning for home so Pretty solid effort again. Kind of one of those. You look at could understand Reason for improvements and You said he has three. Who's third well? The third the third wanted. Probably my top pick would be the outside horse. A SCABBARD and the the couple of reasons. Why again I'm just looking at the form cycle pattern and the predict form figure said we're not getting into post position or I'm not necessarily looking at jockey changes or anything else purely from a pattern perspective. A scabbard ran seventy six final figure. First lifetime start. That is the fastest of these horses. Right that is a really big number. That's the kind of number that it Kentucky Derby Horse could run I out right so the last start was a new pay. Stop fairgrounds if I can just forward to that. That's that's a signal for us at the horses on a significant positive line. It's the it's an indication when the horse runs fastest four furlong figure but the final figure is not fast. It's fast lifetime usually. That's signals a jump up Improvement and also an ability to to run long distance. So from a forum cycle pattern I would also say the eleven scoured looks to be heading the right direction. A Horse that might not be heading. The right direction for us would be Farmington road. So that's an early signal that final figure. That final form cycle pattern of a double top which was a big leap in improvement. A really big leap improvement. Sometimes these horses could break through that. But it's a it's a tough. It's tough to bet on. When the Horse hasn't shown figures that can compete son. Pops up to a seventy three which is not going to be big enough to run this race. And that's a big reason Danny and listeners. I enjoy these types of figures because he is coming off a win shipping in for pletcher. So you know those two things combined definitely you're going to attract some money. Delano comes in for Lapente Salata familiar connections off a win etc But yet the number power just isn't there so I certainly hope he takes money and You moved on before I could Because I'm on Scabbard as well I thought that race off a layoff from the Breeders Cup three year old debut With serviceable obviously disappointing to get beat at three two one as the favorite in a competitive race and I was on that day but There's no reason to think he can't prove off that race and the amount and eighth being by more than ready out of a gone west mayor shouldn't be an issue as well so Love to hear you like a Mac certainly like them off. You know what I saw him the race and the fact that he's the top rank course prime power so we'll see if we get twelve to one but I mean even at at half that to be honest I wouldn't shy away right and if we were to just take a minute and let's look at the favorites the couple of favorites here in just about those two for a minute so I think enforceable from a figure perspective again has run a pretty consistent number of seventy one last race jumped up to a seventy five to me it looks like from figures specifically the Horse was pointed to that race and that was. Let's say a the horses top performance on that day. That's what it looks like to me. Horse runs three seventy one. All of sudden runs a seventy five. It's it's best performance. It could have done on that day. I would expect regression. And it's not aggression not significant movement or that seventy five so enforceable at three two one seven or two probably not going to be somebody we would use. Same thing goes for blackberry wine. Blackberry winds got a series of paired up tops carry who founded Equity Forum. And we we work with to create. Predictive form would always say if you see a horse that runs the exact same final figure back to back and those are lifetime tops. It's a paired up top and you could express figure that you're GONNA get regression off that seventy five so I think blackberry wine is also GonNa regress which leaves the race light open. And I I'm going to go ahead and take one other steps at talk about The the six or so. I can't even pronounce Shake me up. What's interesting about Shochu? Shake me up. Is that I out seventy five at Churchill. So the horse could prove prove. That could run. I OUT REGRESSED. Significantly came back and ran a seventy one for the fought with a four furlong figure of seventy six probably. GonNa run early and Fade but the racist pretty stacked Ed. We didn't even touch on perfect revenge. Who's got a new pay? Stop all in all the three horses that we talked about earlier digital silver state and the horse you like on the outside would be the three from the pattern in perspective for us and Swimming with scattered by far the highest of the morning line. That's where you would be most interested in the morning mines. Accurate yet for sure Yeah and digital six to one silver state four to one That might be what we get silver state. I know as has a lot of fans and took some money at the Future to last week as well so would expect him and enforceable for favouritism in the first division Which brings us to the second division and has the big the bigger Favorite of the two races at least on the morning line And that's in Multiple grade one runner up Lost the storm the court the Juvenile Then with an extra hind multiple stakes winner thousand words in the low south futurity Which is now agreed to actually But he is The big morning line favorite. He does have some number power. I'm brisk net But Danny at this short of a price an an twelve Horsfield Kind of feel like wanting to fade him and knew the war. I pronounced that right Probably better than I did. Yes so for a favourite that significantly. What is it like two to one or nine to five in the morning line? The the figures aren't like that much better than the rest of the field. You look at the sources lined I out on turf. Seventy final flip the horse to dirt depression line which essentially means final figuring four furlong figure or about the same expected improvement off that compression line which happened at a los out but enor- de. Oro Ran a double top. Which has the fast final figure and the fastest four? Furlong figure of its lifetime. So we talked about double tots talked about it in the race prior typically often double top UC regression now. These three year olds can burst through a double top. But it's a sign more likely that the force will regress and move forward and predict a forum pace. Figures are telling us that the nine to five favorite in the second leg of the risen star is going to go backwards so I would say not on top for US though. Yeah backwards is The favourite twelve horsfield and steaks with Many horses who figure move forward base difficult three year old development Yeah not not an ideal situation At which makes it a great which makes it a great betting race said one hundred percent. Yeah well mailman money On the outside is Who INTERESTED ME? Most eight to one Similar connections as digital in the previous race and Same Connections at upset the Louisiana Derby last year with five my standards for cow. Hoon for allied racing I was there when he broke the maiden Danny Churchill Twenty four to one and digital who is actually in that race to and was Highly more highly regarded taking money that day And Brett put one over on us. I guess that really sure what happened to twenty four to want clear. This horse can run. One is next race by more than five lengths and I'm a believer. I think this is a runner and We might not get eight to one if he Runs as well as he did last time from the perspective that I out negative pattern win was it was an OK race but there. There is real improvement from one race to the other so the horse changed. Its running style which we talked about earlier as run a faster final figure than four furlong. Figure the only knock on mailman money might be this final. Finishing time. He's been in the in the low seventies. I think their horses. Maybe that could run faster than that. But certainly from form cycle pattern is headed the right direction and The other one I wanted to mention his Liam's Lucky charm Another one who has some number of power Would usually sire stakes if all stream come back pretty quick. A lot of Florida speed I am a little concerned. Being by co Zan out of a stormy Atlantic mayor now stretching out to amount and eight but Certainly understand why Trainer Ralph WanNa take a shot and Zayas ships in from Gulfstream's for them out Certainly some positive indicators there but is what I would think based on the morning line especially given the numbers is going to be the solid second choice behind the favorite I I'm looking to to play against him. As well. Given the pedigree so Liam's lucky. Charm ran in eighty two final figure which is ten points faster than the rest of these is four. Furlong figure was eighty eight point five ten points faster than the rest of these. That's a lifetime top by a six points in a final figure and fourteen points in four months figure so I had to go back and look at that race at Tampa and just look at that variance on the track and Tampa. That day was playing very very fast. Eight Thousand Dollars Maiden claimer one at seventy three so to me and this happens occasionally with predictive form. It certainly happens whenever you're looking at aftermarket. One number multiple numbers speed figures that you have attract variance on track. That's really high and you have to water down the final figures either on your head on paper. So Liam's lucky. Charm on that day in Tampa found a that was super lightning fast and I think every final figure every number across the Board Be Brisk Net B D r F. Graf rags on. This horse is going to be misplaced in his final figure is GONNA be too high. So I'm watering this number down like five or six points just happened to be. That was one of those days that so to me on a figure perspective it fits but it's not like it's that much faster so. I think the worst is GONNA get over. Bet GonNa be the second choice would make it difficult for me to wager on a horse just because war. Public money is going to come in on the horse and You know I think we just got a discount that final figure little bit if a horse runs back a little bit too even the race at Gulfstream. When he ran a seventy five at seven furlongs he could win but the two races the Horse has are at seven furlongs. It might be the horses. A sprinter agreed Yeah I like him less than Another door which I guess makes sense for me at the price but I certainly see him as a bigger toss Well that's three days. Did you watch the race? I went back and watch the race. Like he was a young horse. He he had the lead he let the rest of the field. Come to him and he drew off right so he went the race. Pretty handily if you look at the. Pp's you could see that. I think he's going to draw a lot of money. I really do. I think he's GonNa wind up being like seventy two and You know stretching out like this and coming off a big race. I think he's vulnerable as the favourite only bullet here Dow Well it sounds like I'm probably a little more bullish on mailman money than you which At least eight other options To hear who you're most excited about in the seat right so I would say I'm most excited about Mr big news. Believe it or not Do you think you are exactly Mister big news by Giant's causeway ground right so I'm not again not a huge fan about sires. But when you get into graded stakes that matters. I mean. There's not that many graded stakes throughout the year. How many are there like Not Ninety maybe the lead no more than that but yeah not many and the leading sire has fifteen graded stakes wins right. So it's not like any sire. Dominates graded stakes. At least giant's causeway is isn't the Group of Fires. That's throw graded stakes winners. But what I really like about Mr. Big News is this. Massive improvement race over race ran. A bunch of low sixty figures was just kind of plotting along and last race ran a reversal pattern and a seventy-three final figure. This is like really significant improvement and changes. Its running style and that's enough for me in a race. That's pretty wide open to think. Well maybe Mr. Big News could move forward off that race in twenty two one morning line. You were mentioning Bret. Calhoun as the trainer. I think you know with a running style. That's going to be coming off the pace and will like the distance that is the worst will probably play now. We'll definitely play man and you'll get you'll get a big price Because as we both said we think the The top two or definitely gonNA take money and You you speak of Giant's causeway like into win graded stakes breakout Hoon. Twenty three percent graded stakes with a seventy nine percent positive R. Y. For trainer a lot of know about and runs You know horses all over that. That's a pretty solid percentage. So he's clearly getting it done with prices as he did last year with by standards and Louisiana Derby anyone else to others to look at major fed would be one of them against similar kind of running style negative attitude. I out lifetime reversal. Final figure in the low seventies. Not Unlike the horse we just talked about would expect that major fed is going to run and improve race should be know like the distance and Lynch map Wanted to ask you because yeah it was Kind of a sexy pick I was. He was five. Point six to one so hardly favorite but definitely had some people like me entered the Lecomte and scratch because he had the outside post And then did a speed and Fade Job. Never making the League at Oaklawn in that tricky mile configuration there in sealed muddy track But stretches out here by Liam's map out of the hair so Certainly not concerned about the distance for this one But that that lay last race wasn't great was less two races. Were kind of slow. I two races of the horses in horses. Career were good. So a couple of seventies and then back-to-back sixty six's in if the horse POPs goes back to that seventy one seventy two area which I think it could. It might be there but lists looks like worse going the wrong direction. Ed You know I mean the numbers are going the wrong direction. So from a predictive foreign perspective does a tough force to bet like all you would be. Betting is blindly betting that the horse would go back to his form cycle first and second out which might happen. But it's just it would be a guest for us and probably somebody. Of course that would be tough to bed You know if you look at number one modernist and let's say you're looking for tr- trying to find another words that might be worth investing in in this race. The he's run three decent races in the high sixties. They were in New York so New York place slower. So these as a that. Liam's horse we talked about earlier. Ranna eighty one at Tampa. These sixty nine times can be juiced up a little bit. You know modern modernist has run three good races. I would expect modernist to have a monster race coming up in it. Looks like you sitting on something. It might be here. Might be down the road but modernists might be another one that we would look at here. So it's kind of a race where we could play doubles or we could come in to pick threes or pick. Four is but between the two races there are a handful of you know eight ten and twenty two one shots that are playable. Yeah no and especially in that second division willing to play against both The clear top two choices Definitely opens up some opportunity pending on your your risk tolerance. Dan Tries You know the the right horses in a field the twelve especially that's When you really can make some hey You mentioned the double. It is Risen Star Double Racist Twelve and thirteen and scabbard. With mister. Big News would be about two hundred fifty to one based on the morning line. So that'd be a pretty staunch Coal double give out on the PODCAST. That's actually not going to be two hundred fifty two one by probably going to be more like you know one hundred fifty to one hundred seventy five okay. Yeah yeah so that would be. That would be my lock. You know to lock double. That's all right if price will be right so let's let serious. Let's get serious. About what the double the double would be so we would play. I'm GONNA play digital. I don't know about silver state because you kind of talked me off him because of the odds Certainly scabbard Yes let's say those two and then with Modernist mister big news major fed. So what is that? And they'll made money so it's two times four six dollars to for to. Yeah Yeah and if you WANNA punch it for five forty dollars manageable number. Yeah and for me. I think In addition to the DABAL which I think is worth looking asked if you're willing to play against the favorite In each individual race scabbard would be my key unraced. Twelve and then mailman money really You know one time against the top two You know I'm I'm willing to kind of play around with any horse That I think could fit. You mentioned modernism. Talk me onto Mr Big news at a price. So really the key. Though in terms of the how to bat portion of the podcast title beating these favorites right right and then you know the challenge with a double is to take out take out is at fairgrounds probably in the what low twenties or something like that. But this is like this. You're GONNA get him. You're going to get a pool of one hundred hundred and fifty thousand and the you know the computers The the robotic wagering will try to fill in the gaps. Here probably cost us a little bit of money. But there's enough long shots in both legs and you're GonNa have pretty strong favorites at least in the second race that you'll get paid if if we hit the double here I like getting paid Like having you on Danny let's Napping strangers as we are inside twelve weeks. I think it'll be eleven. Come Risen Star. Time so seventy seven days and plenty of good racists. Go over and certainly appreciate your time going over these two. I'll talk again. Thanks for having me on it. Yeah my pleasure. I Danny Sucker. Everyone of predictive form dot com. Great information that I use every day Whether it's Handicapping to play or to discuss the races On podcasts such as this or on the Churchill downs live feed fantastic compliment to the snap past performances and courage everyone to check it out. Put a Lincoln description again. Danny's predicted form. And we'll be back next week Kind of twitter week Certainly looking forward to the Fountain of Youth. Maybe we'll wrap some stuff up. Always plenty to talk about on the road to the Kentucky Derby. Thanks for joining us. This has been how to horse racing out about horse racing podcast.

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32 Years Later

The Paul Finebaum Show

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

32 Years Later

"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering account with no fees or minimums that can be opened in only five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet, Capital One and a? Cried passion than pageantry of college. Football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. About the program of twenty years. Twenty seven. We are believable yesterday. But it could be a thirty two years ago this week where were you do you? Remember where you were if you were college football fan, you were undoubtedly reading and hearing about SMU getting the death penalty thirteen different players, including Eric Dickerson were implicated in a scandal that involved about seventy thousand dollars in money. The school was was shut down for the nineteen eighty-seven season. They cancelled home games in eighty eight bowl and live TV ban until ninety fifty five law scholarships. The program was literally killed, and it quite frankly hasn't recovered even today brief interludes of success, not many one of the young investigative reporters who broke that story for the Dallas times herald joins us now still young Danie Robbins now with the AJC, and Danny I can't. Hey, how exciting it is to talk to you again. After all these years, we had many conversations over the years. But the fact that both of us are still alive. Maybe the biggest news of this conversation. That's true. It's good to talk to you, Paul. Thank you, Danny. For those who weren't born. And have only heard this in passing. Would you tell us what this how we got to this day thirty two years ago? Well, it was it was really shoot Ariss because what s and he went on probation in one thousand nine hundred five they lost every scholarship. They couldn't get a scholarship to couldn't go to balls for two years because they've been paying recruits and players and the chairman of the board of governors Bill Clements who would be come governor of the state told the NCAA you got us. We won't do it again. And then they continued to pay a group of players, and that was just infuriating to the NCAA. Not to mention the fact they just puts the death penalty rule in place. So I think the logic was if you're going to use it. This was the time to use it. So I I know the story because I was covering college above it. Here's a program that gets slammed about as badly as you can get slammed and they still keep cheating, right? Yeah. And the rationale was so ridiculous. You know, it was said, well, we have a payroll. We have to payroll, and if we don't these guys are going to go the media and say, we got X amount of dollars which look back on it. Who cares? If one of them came out and said, I was paid this since the school had acknowledged they were paying players, but they continued to do it. And it was the same people. Bobby Collins was becomes Bobby hitch was athletic director L choose the president. And because there have been no changes just kept doing it, it it just looks so bad. Payroll. The key pretty famous line from from that era. And you mentioned Bill Clements. The. He he was he was he ended up being the governor. He was in on it, wasn't it. Yeah. He he he was in on it. He said we have to keep doing it. The person who said we have a payroll Isherwood blunt booster at the top of the nine who were collecting the money, but athletic director, the coach and and Bill Clements all went went along with it. So when it came out, it just seemed so bad and the other thing about it is you talk about not recovering it recovering from it. Give the school totally remade itself. And academics was not an issue at this. We're talking about cash in envelopes cashing, paper bags. It was. It was totally money for recruits and players, but when the school in reaction to totally restructured with the new president can pie from Tuke. And that that changed everything, and it it it made it look nuclear when. Maybe had they not done that it would. And and for those who who are saying well SMU's never been good. They were good. They had the pony express. I mean, this was one I mean, they were ranked as high as number two in the country something like that day. I mean, this was a big time program. Yeah. They were great. I mean, they won the Cotton Bowl. They had Eric Dickerson and Craig James, but all this goes back to the late Ron Meyer when he came in. You've probably heard the famous story winning went and recruited some players, and he went into coaches office. And there were a high school coaches officer. There were business cards about a bulletin board and two players were sitting there. This was in baytown, Texas, and he took a hundred dollar Bill intact. It to the bulletin board said this is our calling card, and you know, they sat there wide eyed. It was that mentality. He left and went to the NFL. But then that structure was in place. Nobody could change it to boost were his boosters, and it stayed under Bobby Collins, although Bobby Collins and didn't invent this it stayed in place and just got worse. At the height of the program in eighty two. They were eleven oh and one right number two in the country. So help us understand when this ruling came down. I mean, it was a even though many could have anticipated it. What was it like that day in Dallas? It was in -ticipant. Did if like when the reality hit. It was a bombshell is at that time SMU was big time. There was a southwest conference. And that's in it and every year, they played Texas. And they played Texas. Am those are big games? Those are about the only games they would sell out at Texas stadium because it was Texas Texas am fans. But yeah, it was a big time program. And it was a different time in Dallas pro sports wasn't what it was. So it was a huge thing. And it wasn't -ticipant. But when it finally hit, I think the reality of it was was very strong, and it was a bizarre press conference. He for remember, Dave burst fainted, right? It was just crazy. And then the second part was they could play that second year. I think you said, I think it was home games. They would have to play, but they canceled the program that second year. So that was two years without football. They moved to the campus stadium, which was kind of a wreck at the time. They got rid of everybody, and they just. Emphasized football. And then they put in academic requirements, which were very tough even though like like as I said before the violations had nothing to do with academics. Talking to Danny Robbins who has now moved on. But was around and played a huge role in just as an investigative reporter. I it sounds like pretty fertile ground. I mean, it seemed like anywhere you turn. You could probably discover some malfeasance. How did you approach you and your newspaper and everyone else approached the story back then? Well, first of all the southwest conference was just. That's this is the way of life. Then if you ever Frank royals called said, we'll call it the OPEC conference. That's the. The crisis quarterbacks and running backs. And so it was it. You know, it just the the price that it was a it was a competitive thing because eventually so much came out about Texas A and M university, Houston, Texas tech university of Texas, but SMU was just so blatant. And so out there. These guys driving up in front of a house in nowhere, Texas and getting out making an offer writing out contracts. It was just so blatant. And and one reason it became a story was it was so blatant because you would talk to an assistant coach rice, and they would say you won't believe what I just heard. So and so went to Lake Tahoe with the booster something like that. And then you'd get off and chase it and you couldn't ignore it. Because it was a huge story. Because as I said before SMU was much bitter deal in sports at that time in Dallas. So we approached it as you know, it started like anything else kind of small, but as it grew and grew. And grew and pretty early on. Sources people would say look it. It goes here it goes in there. So we knew how bad it was. And we just you know, it was a very legitimate story and we pursued it, and you mentioned the other school. So I think it would be naive for any of us to think that it wasn't happening at other places. It just where they just not as brazen as. Well, I think so I think I think there's some truth to that. I think they were pretty bad. I think Texas M had had a situation there under Jackie Sherrill that been pretty well proven was was you know, they were doing doing similar things. But yes, and I think there was something to the effect to the fact that SMU sort of an outlier they hadn't been particularly good. They suddenly got you know, and they recruited Eric Dickerson. And Craig James was like what is this? And I think some of the old guard from Texas, and so far it's fourth got on their high horse and started saying some things so that, you know, they they rock the boat in a way that got a lot of people talking, but I will say this, you know, like back in the day. I don't think at that time they had like three hundred top recruit list. I think there would maybe Texas every year there were maybe fifteen or twenty. Top blue chip players. And I remember a couple of years SMU's like signing three fourths of them. And it was like players they didn't even need. And it's I think they just went above and beyond to the point where it just nobody could you know, the the other schools just couldn't accept it. It it was it was brazen. Maybe if they have it back a little bit. It might not have got now. Just an amazing amazing story, Danny? Yeah. The most amazing part of that error. And I was getting my feet wet investigative reporting as well. It's it's affected. These boosters bragged to each other about how much I mean, they they would go to their country club and bragged to the competitor school about how much they spent and nobody kept this under wraps at the time. Right. And a lot of it. You make a good point a lot of it. You know on the golf course on weekend was guess it work. And again, I think the NCAA rule that districts could not have contact with these kids because I think. That was one of the biggest problems. But I remember dick low was the financier of TCU football program when I'll bet came out I walked into his office on the day that he sort of confessed all and he he threw the paperwork across his desk at me and said, he thinks sure with blunt would give you this. They all live each other. They all knew their competition. And the question was, you know, with the coaches put up with it. And I know SMU they encouraged it I don't know Kim lacquer PC was encouraging it that's always been a question in my mind, but the boosters TCU the boosters SMU Schuster fan, and Texas, they only had a pretty good idea. What each other was doing, Danny? Thanks. I know you're in the middle of something we really appreciate you coming on. So great to catch up. Same here, Paul. My pleasure. Daddy, Robbins, one of the great sports investigative reporters. Now, he's. With the AJC, and he mentioned that the Sherwood blunt, the the famous Texan who said I have a payroll to meet we're talking about college football here. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. You haven't been watching the af you've been missing some very good football. And the team many considered to be the best. Coach may disagree is Steve Spurrier undefeated and heading out west this week. Coach first of all, congratulations. It's been quite a run for the Apollo's three zero and heading to Salt Lake this weekend. Well, thank you, Paul tell you what we think we've got a good team. We don't always look like one at times. But we got we got a fighting chance to to compete compete for the championship. But it's a long way to go on the play three of the ten and hopefully will qualify for the playoffs for the eighteenth do qualify. So hopefully, we can do that. But we're we're we're looking forward to playing Salt Lake City the Saturday night. I think it's eight o'clock eastern town just from a personal standpoint have been like getting back in it and coaching and being on the sideline again. Yeah. Tell you what Paul hopefully, I'm coaching Leka used to coach mostly at Florida. We only have tennis distant coaches. So I'm back in the quarterback coach fits coordinator and all that kind of stuff and head coach. So I've been probably more busy the last two months than I did as a college head coach. It seems like we have a lot of assistance from so many people and so forth. And but it has been we just got through practicing. I don't know if you know it or not the winning Jacksonville right now. No. No, we had trouble. Securing workmen's compensation insurance for the team in the state of Florida Georgia sold it to us and part of the deal is we have to spend half of our days in the state of Georgia. So we got practice facility up in Kingsland, Georgia, Camden County high school. So we bust about fifty minutes up there and back each day. And but it's very nice and hotel here in Jacksonville is very nice. So we're sort of a traveling much gas. It's a good thing. We're all like each other. 'cause we're with each other all day pretty much about eight eight thirty at night and so forth. You mentioned only having what you said tennis systems. I mean can't coach saving lend you some of those offense of analysts. No. In fact, allows said you can only have one I think one sort of Gabby help out with the equipment that maybe can charge some plays or something like that. So we do have one guy that sorta helps out both sides of the ball. But yeah, we got plenty of guys. You know, the in the pros we only got fifty two guys on the team. And I think we're going to be able to dress out forty five this week the first three weeks, it was forty three EPA. They're gonna give us a couple of more guests to suit up. So we've got plenty of coaches. And and this is the way I wanted to do it. Anyway, as far as getting back spending all McNabb with quarterbacks pretty much all day during practice you. This is you've done professional football and the number of levels from from the NFL. You also were very successful coach in the in the US. How would you rank or rate the quality of players in this league? Tallish great, very similar USFL, and maybe a little bit better. We just don't have the star players. Yes. Fell wanted each team San one or two big names. You know, gosh Herschel Walker played in the US F L, Jim Kelly, Steve Yang. Reggie white. Right. Gosh, hall of fame NFL guys after the league folded up. So we're we're not spending money on those gas. In fact, everybody in the alliance all the players make the same amount. So the snapper tell team today wanted to snap pursue one back a little low. I said you realize you're making the same amount of money is geared Gilbert, and he's leading the alliance and passing yards right now y'all making the same amount. So that's just the way we are. So it's it's really a an opportunity spring football league that a lot of these guys are gonna get chance playing NFL next year. And that's what we want. We want a bunch of our guys to make it. And I believe we have. Several that will we've got three or four wide receivers. They're very good running back. He -fensive linemen linebackers. We gotta linebacker cats. Garvan his already got three interceptions one for touchdown. So it's going to give these guys chance to get noticed. And maybe go to the big leagues next year talking to Steve Spurrier. I you know, we talked. I think last summer, and you mentioned and others have since about reaching out to Tim tebow bring that up not t-boz any longer on the table. But you may have heard you may not have the Johnny Manziel was let go today by the L. Would you have any interest in talking to him? Well, that's up to San Antonio. They're the one owns his right? But yeah, it was sort of interesting way back last March or April when the Lancers formed and the announcements came out, you know, there was talk of Kibo Orlando. Johnny Manziel, the San Antonio camper next to San Diego where none of those worked out. So I I don't think I don't know what's going to happen with Johnny football seems like whatever happened up there. Maybe a little stain owning. But we'll just have to wait and see. But Paul I tell you the truth. You know, we've been in San Antonio the whole month of January, and they don't have SEC networks. I haven't been keeping up with you like normally half all during football season. I need to know are the Alabama fans. Okay. That lost one game this year. Coach. Auburn people happy or sad that their state not win the national championship you've been around the league longer than I think you already know the answer that question coach the Alabama fans have come up with quite a few explanations for losing by twenty eight points. Okay. What I was asking about it. And I said let me tell you something every team can have a bad night or a bad day and Jala Bama had a bad one. And the other team have an exceptional day. It happens all the time. And it just sorta happened that night. You gotta give dab on his gas credit, though, they play close to perfect and just it didn't work out for them that night. I am curious your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence because he was outstanding in that game. And all you. I tell you what they have built a system that you know, he doesn't have to run maybe once or twice the game. And he he's he's pretty good at that. But boy, he's a dropback passer. He throws it beautifully. And there's an advantage me at six six those RPO is when you think it here, and you're standing up there looking down on everybody. He's he's quite a talent in these got talented guys all around also. But you gotta give dab oh credit forgetting, this guy's ready all the time. And the mental part that that he is given Clemson there there they go they contend for next year. Also, speaking of the SEC, we'll get back to your team in a second. But the Gators had a phenomenal finish to the season with that Bowl-winning. I know you're you've been in Texas. But what's it look like for Dan Mullen for? Yeah. I had a chance to go back and see Dan before we went out there in January right after the bowl game. I said it's going to be big for you. It's really helped in recruiting and to dominate Michigan. Like that. What was it forty one seven or ten or something like that? Whatever was a big win for the Gators and they really played well defense offense special teams. So I think it really did help recruiting I tell him, unfortunately, Georgia's sat and all the best players along with Alabama. But still the future for Florida football. Does look very bright right now. Let me come back to this game this weekend. I believe you're you're playing Dennis Erickson is it for the first time. Yeah. Didn't even are good buddies when he was at Miami. And Florida we didn't play each other. And but we played FSU. So we try to team up on how to beat those gas. I think he'd beat them more than I did. But we got to be buddies. We played golf together knows Nike golf trips and Lake Tahoe one time, and he even heading out his house and court Elaine, upstate Washington near Spokane. Sure beautiful area. So yeah, we'll be buddies before the game and after the game and in between trap best to beat each other. I realize you job is to coach. But. This league has gotten good reviews. The the NHL owner from Carolina put a tremendous investment in are you do you try to? I mean, you you you have to be concerned about about the league. Do you pay much attention to all that? Or you just do do do coaching. Do the ball coach Paul when we're not to this gig. It might be for one year. It might be for three. I don't know what it is. But I'm just I'm worried about this year this year, we got a good bunch of gas. We're gonna try best to see if we can win this thing. And whatever happens after that shoot. Who knows? But I do think they alliance has wonderful chance to succeed because the salaries are low there's plenty of really get football players that wanna play football at maybe just got cut, you know, by NFL team one of the last cut guys. And there's so many players on that team. As wonder why he's available for us. I know he's better than the budget. Dude, I've been watching on television. But so now they're going to get that chance and the NFL is really supporting the alliance. They think it's a good league. Is we call AAA pro football. And that's what we're going to be. We we can't compete within that they're not trying to. But it's real. Good football people love football. I'm sure you and so many SEC people. Hey, there's a ball game on Saturday night football game. We can catch basketball when tournament starts so people love football there. I think they're watching us play. And finally because he's such a good friend of yours. Were you surprised when when Bob stoops announced that he was coming back as well to the XFL next. Well, we talked a little bit his first year and sort of asked him the interest coming down and coaching with us. And he said, no he said, but he said you've been out two years. I'm I've only been out one. That'd be waste. I'm out too. Well together to this new league came to him. Now, I don't know where they're gonna find all their players because the players we have now have like three year contracts, and if they're free go the NFL, but if they don't go there, they they're back with with our teams in the alliance. So it'd be interesting how that plays out. We'll coach what I didn't know is planning out is is is watching you on the sidelines. And and we do watch all the games, and you look like you're having a blast. And I know that makes your many fans all over the happy. Sometimes what they what is the stroller tonight. I think we had to punt four possessions in ro Mr. fourth and one at seal and. And I was sort of bad mouthing myself under my breath bunch before too minutely worked out for us. And we're we're we're set to go in this week had a good practice today and gear Gilbert's a beautiful passer. I say throws. He throws a nice Bala. These two cats and receivers are pretty good. So hopefully, we can get him in position to do their thing. And and keep keep winning as we go along. We'll Gilbert as you know, he was once the number one quarterback in the country when he went to Texas, so. Yeah. He was with the the Charlotte. Carolina panthers. At the end of last season. Fact, he went up there and played a little bit the last game. And so he he'll somebody assigned him. I'm pretty sure after this a lot season's over. We'll coach we'll be watching Saturday night. Congratulations again. And we hope to talk to you more. Okay. Follow always hit talk to you. Go cease burger, the coach of the Orlando Apollo's. I've talked I've known coach Spurrier since he coached for the Tampa Bay bandits, Duke, Florida the Redskins, South Carolina. And now the Apollo's. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Really interesting conversation about to ensue here with Jon Wilner who writes a lot about the Pac twelve and other stories for the San Jose, Mercury news chance to spend a lot of time with that publication during the national championship. John. Thank you for being with us. The you've you've opened a lot of is in your your latest conversations with some really shocking comments from a former big twelve president. We say Hello to you. Thank you very much for. And by the way, it did your town recover from all those Alabama Clemson fans a few weeks ago. Just crawling out of it. I know there was such a there was such a buzz out there for that game. Yeah. You know, it it worked out great for for the area. It's probably not quite like it was for Alabama Georgia in Atlanta. But you know, it was great for the the bay area. Well, other than the rain wind the the hurricane warnings and just another typical bay area weekend in January. I had a great time. John thanks for being. I do want to talk about what you've written because you you've talked about the maybe more futuristic. I don't know. Maybe it's realistic about an alliance among conferences in this case the Pac twelve and the big twelve. I don't wanna mangle which which you've already written, but help us understand the point here. And and the reality of it first of all what's it all about well? There's a proposal from former big twelve president, John we fault who was at Kansas state. He hired Bill Snyder. He was asked by Gordon key. The president current president West Virginia to come up some with some ways to strengthen the big twelve going forward and his ultimate conclusion was a schedule a strategic alliance in which all non conference games would be played against the Pac twelve. Which is. So you're talking about thirty games non conference games for the big big twelve all of them played against the Pac twelve that's not realistic for a lot of reasons. Competitively financially, logistically, it just can't work. But I think that on a broader level, it does make sense for the two conferences to have some kind of scheduling alliance. Maybe it's one game every team in each conference place. One gaming and see other conference every year or two games every three years, but it would certainly make for quality content, which in theory would would benefit fans going to games and benefit the TV networks broadcasting them. In on that for not to pile on here from the headquarters of the SEC network, but the Pac twelve network, I think most people would agree has been I'll let you I'll let you describe it because I don't wanna be accused of piling on. But it has been a mess from a distance. What's it like out there? Severely underperforming expectations in matters of audience and revenue. It's been great for the Pac twelve Olympic sports. But that's about it. And you know, I know everybody would I it's, you know, there's no debating that. Really? I mean, it's it's really not worked out the way they had hoped. So you know, certainly getting revenue Pac twelve could use some revenue. Both conferences could use content to dangle in front of their TV partners going forward. So it seems to me like it. You know, it makes him sense. I could envision when you have the two conferences in in alliance. Because of time zones. You could have all broadcast windows covered. Right. I mean, you could play a game in Norman at noon eastern, and you can play a game in the Coliseum at seven at ten thirty eastern. So why not have a deal where you know, the middle of September. You've got two weekends where you have quadruple headers between the Pac twelve and the big twelve that's kind of where I think they should take. The proposal itself is not realistic with with every game every non conference game be filled, but why not have have some kind of deal kinda like with the SEC in the big twelve have in basketball right now. Yeah. I mean. And. That basketball series, which is held the week. I think it's a weekend before the Super Bowl gets a lot of coverage because it's it's a competition, as you know, fans, and by the way for those who out there who are wondering why these two leagues I mean, it is it is a fact that these two leagues nearly married each other about eight years ago, didn't they they came awfully close. Well, at least at least part of the league's Pac twelve there was a few schools in the big twelve that were not part of the of the grand plan. But he, you know, certainly, the Texas schools and the Oklahoma schools were were in the middle of it. And yeah, so. From scheduling standpoint, just from G for geographic purposes alone. You know, if the Pac twelve were to ever have some kind of alliance that big twelve would make a lot of sense, you know, Pac twelve schools try to recruit Texas as well. And and because recruit out out here. So I would think that there'd be some interest in. And you know, I think content is going to be really important, right? I mean, saving is way ahead of everybody on this. He understands you gotta have a quality opponent in order to get people into the stands and keep them there. And I think that certainly if if that's a little bit of an issue in the SEC, it's a huge issue in the Pac twelve and even in the big twelve so why not drop a cupcake and how you know have a power five team take that spot. Now, I think it's really good idea. And that's that's the thing that drives some people in the not the not the people who run the SEC. But but some who who watch it a little bit crazy because you get to that next to the last weekend, and it's about to change with scheduling alternatives. But I mean, you have essentially about six or seven unwatchable games. John. Well, and the thing is that's a fascinating topic. Right. Because you know in the Pac twelve and in the ni- the competence to play nine nine conference games. They look and see what the SEC's doing. Well, the SEC's gamed the system towards getting in the playoffs. And you know, if the playoff is the ultimate goal. The SEC has got it. Right. And that would be one reason why from competitive standpoint, we think coaches in the Pac twelve and big twelve might balk a little bit at some kind of alliance because they're just adding another potential loss. I mean, I think that the biggest thing for the the, you know, the playoff and the committee going forward is how are they going to handle the differences in schedules? It's impossible to to ledger. Slate that every power five have the exact same schedule model, but at the same time, there's you know, the the two conferences that are playing eight or getting more bids. John before you go, I realize some of this is maybe. Not realistic. But considering how diminish the at least the reputation is of the pack twelve. I mean, do you think it's possible that as we move forward television contracts up in the air that you could see some sort of a a merger super conference between these two. You know, I don't think so at least for this tax rolls going to start renegotiating their media deal and for years big twelve gonna do that the next year. I think that it's too early. I don't sense that it's the same situation as it was eight years ago when in order to get more dollars out of the TV networks you had to get bigger and create more inventory and get more eyeballs in your in your footprint. It doesn't seem like the media world is is in the same spot. And so I don't know that getting bigger is the answer. I think that quality is going to be more important maybe than than quantity. And so if anything you'll see fewer games against FCS opponents, for instance, and maybe toughened up the schedules. Just because that's what the networks are going to want to do in order to capture the interest of the audience when there are so many, you know, the media world. And is so so fractious really fascinating subject. John John Wilner from San Jose, John. Thanks for coming back coming on. And hope you'll come back, really anytime. Great to have you on this is a fantastic conversation. What a great suggestion. He makes. Thank you. For listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern.

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Patriotic Dissent: America in the Age of Endless War  Ep 78

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Patriotic Dissent: America in the Age of Endless War Ep 78

"Look the fortress on a hill. I'm Henry I'm Danny I'm Kagan. Where we left US veterans that to the reality of the US military's multiple wars abroad and illuminate the damage military service does American. American. Presidents out US history have used American military and diplomatic power to force regime change democratically elected governments around the world most veterans come from families vested in Prior Service and American generals choose their own ensuring diversity of thought never interferes with American warmongering. How can we stand by and do nothing while our military kill and destroy lives the world over while telling Americans that the death and destruction protect them from terrorists when nothing could be more all Fortress on a hill aims to change that. Everyone to fortress on a hill. We have a really great special episode for you guys. Today Danny and I. Are Going to talk about his new book patriotic descent. It's coming out on September. Eighth. Sarah Danny. That's right. Update. I'm coming out on the H.. It is. It's an amazing book. It's an The. The the history and the examination of patriotism that I read about so far has been really empowering and eye-opening in in a few different ways before we start talking about it real quick. I wanted to real quickly share with you guys are email and social media channel links they're usually in the show notes. So if you ever WanNa, find him there there but I don't say it on the podcast very often. So I WANNA take thirty seconds and do that real quick Our email is fortress on a hill. At G.. Dot. com. And you can email any questions and thoughts. You have ideas for episodes anything like that. On twitter you can find us at for Sunny Hill same deal with with twitter and facebook at a fortress on a hill. So real simple. It's all fortress on a hill so. So Danny start talking about this book I like I said I I've really enjoying reading it. You know I always learn so much from your writing period but this this fit into a different. A different vantage for me something that I think we should talk about it some time, but we don't need to discuss today. is I've noticed more and more as we've done the podcast that you and I were in very different wars if you will we'll say. You know that the stories that you told me that missions that you've been sent on the amount of death that you saw both among your troops in among Innocent civilians during your time has been really I opening for me But I've started to to look at your writing in that way asking myself about the things that I didn't experience because. you know so much that the military is tied up in combat support, which means that if you're not a traumatic, cavs scout a tanker there are things that you just don't see. You know other just events, admissions and possibilities of war that you don't consider and so. Moving forward I hope that you and I get the chance to talk about that. At some time. But I'M GONNA turn it over to you for a minute we you tell the tell the folks what the book is about and how you got around to writing it. First thing I'm really glad you brought up is. This idea of different wars. There's a couple of things that I think are important about that. So Even, within the same unit as I've written about a bunch even in the first book of people will experience the same events differently. So there's that right there's the psychological aspect of the confusion of war various viewpoints in. Then you know there's the different kinds of jobs mostly gonNA, realize. You know the tooth to tail ratio in other words how many comments for comments, sports, soldiers, who for you know combat arms, right. So basically, foot soldier like how it's you know it's what is seven, eight, nine one and it changes over the years. So you know back in the day like in the civil war was like one one and then four to it's like three to one and then Vietnam and now it like really pushes up to like closer to ten to one. That does not mean those people aren't in combat. At one point I mean it. Like in World War Two more. But now with an insurgency and attacks on the roads and ID's you know there was a point I remember that you may know some of this that Henry where early in the insurgency because I was still looking at it west point in the stat was presented to me by major in military science class and it showed that the top three MOS's military occupational specialties jobs. That were fatalities are wounded in action in the first two years. Lee Rock warned certainty were Of course you know infantry. But it was a military police and eight Mike truck drivers right and. This military science infantry officer was like, well, why would that be guys you know and then we know this discussion on like tactics and it was a pretty interesting day. But his point was was will look like if a classic tactic is ide-, than WHO's on the road a lot you know and of course, it's truck drivers and then people don't realize. The extent to which I love respect motoric lease in particular in Iraq because they were just you know and I know that I've wanted different things within the military police community the ones that I dealt with a lot. They literally drove around all day visiting police stations like Iraqi, police agents in China like mentor them and supply them all this, and then you know. They would just get in hammer because they were always on the road you know but but even so that's a different war than you know like the active raid or. Whatever you know, and then like quite frankly I wasn't like some bad ass I mean the the experience of the navy seal rating team is different from mine, and so I think that's valuable and interesting to keep in mind and I think that what we do need to avoid and I try really hard to a find out perfectly. But that the most is this idea that they're you know okay there's two wars three wars maybe there's more like ten wars but some veterans fall into this. Dismissing others kind of thing you know like someone will hear. Oh well, he was just a logging or something like you know an not mean like m. p. I mean like legit like supply sergeant or something like Oh like that person service doesn't matter and Actually really dangerous talk and I think it's usually bred by insecurity. and. Self Righteousness, which I've always called the cardinal or original senator soldier but. Yeah brought that up. So that's a long insure that just wanted to mention but the book was weird One thing that readers will notice is it's like very short for me or for anyone but especially for me and that was by design I had been in L. A. With Bob Sheer senior editor O'Brien truth dig. Rest in peace for some liquor out for at home the truth dig Now appear posts in course used kind of legendary journalist eighty, four years old like interviewed several presidents, saws out there visiting him. For some. Work at USC and some other crap and. Yeah we him Steve Wasserman from heyday books were. I don't know how it came. We were discussing like patriotism order discussing it forever wars or how to fight this. You know how we can make a difference in it was kind of one of those dark conversations in Henry. You know these very well, that's like out soldiers get by as like macabre humor and stuff but you know it was one of those really. Dark in a serious conversations of futility that feeling of the problems just too big like we can't change minds I fall for that a lot. You know especially with this stuff going on in the streets I think to myself like, Oh, my God. Like I can't persuade my father like how am I gonNA persuade anyone else and You know are are people just too far apart a A. Is. Some people unreachable. These are dangerous concepts although they're reasonable. So. There's a reason it feels that way. But we're having one of those conversations about ending the wars her. reframing American foreign policy, and then like I said on the zoo talk the other night you know either Bob or bowl said something to be effective you know. If. We don't conceptually change the entire notion of what it means to be an American and more specifically be an American. Patriot like if we don't philosophical and cultural change than like we're not this sulphur nil and that drove one of us to throw sort of the. You know the buzzword patriotic the sent out there. The idea that if we don't challenge the very notion officiers. What value it has if any how it could be re Negotiated sort of refrained and Steve Wasserman who is an old friend of Bob is younger than bobbies the AH. You know Kinda the head of the heyday books out of Berkeley. He said to me he said, do you think you could write up? you know like the whole thing like this new philosophical Kinda take and I said, yeah, of course, do anything you know in the? He's like all right. Well, I want like a coffee table treatise on this. You know like not some like huge book want something. That's a different from what you've made me normally do and. More like an extended essay I gas than Than your typical book and so that's what he asked for and I had to write it really quick actually a relatively for the publishing industry and This is kind of This is Kinda how it came out and it does read like an essay. So it's you know it's It's like three things that are going on in Kinda stop there it's. It's it's only like a hundred and sixty pages but. It's part memoir again, right? Just like the last book was, but this one's a little broader whereas last was more focused on my time. Iraq a little bit memoir of. A lot of bit like philosophical take on what patriotism is how it ought be reframed and y descent can be the most patriotic things and then and then, and then of course, 'cause it's million and it's important. It's history. So a history of dissenters particularly military centers. Throughout our history army where I think I talked basically war eighteen, twelve or civil war. Or Mexican American war all the way up to the Iraq and Afghanistan showing that. There is a long history to this. So in other words, what I am describing what I'm calling for in terms if a relation of the the sense as a form of patriotism is actually has it has a long backstory and that's kind of what I was getting that and so. Here, it is and I'm cautiously optimistic that this is GonNa you know waves and getting people's hands so far so good. You mentioned ghostwriters Baghdad a little bit I'm curious about. Not so much direct comparisons between the two books. But how would you say your personal opinions on patriotism and descent changed between the time you wrote ghost riders and now Patriot descent. Yeah. It's a great question known really asked me that yet A I went. I've undergone like most of us in this movement. So to speak of undergone like an intellectual and sort of ethical journey, a an evolution really and so. When I wrote ghostwriters which was in two, thousand, fourteen my. the end of my second year of Grad school might only recently been back Ghanistan I knew a lot of stuff but. I wasn't. Like fully developed in my critique like my systemic critique of the American militarist state, I mean, no doubt like an average person would read that like this is a radical kind of left this dude but But those people were a little bit more in the know and Kinda follow the stuff would will recognize that at the time of ghost riders. I was skeptical of patriotism and like masculinity and stuff but I wasn't talking about that a whole lot I mean i. just I just didn't have the language or the expertise I hadn't really thought through it quite enough yet I was floundering a little like just fighting my voice and I never written anything publicly. So this book definitely is a little bit more developed conceptually So even though it's a shorter book, it's probably a little more. Clear. In it's like hypothesis says in a thought through this more systemic critique of empire. And and the culture that's behind it, which is really what this book spout. Right? It's about the the problematic culture of patriotism and it really does seek to answer. The question is patriotism toxic as Bob Sheer, says all the time he always asks me questions I. Think it's an important question like is patriotism toxic and I think that what I kinda come up with is like, yes, usually. Is is basically my answer you know which is a bit of hedge, but the idea of being You know it would be. It's almost always toxic. It's almost always rooted in a history of sort of imperialism and patriarchy. It's almost always been a tool of a crush in both at home and overseas it's almost always been a way to dupe folks into doing awful things. That aren't in their own interest or the nation's or certain amenities however, right? I, say there are. Variations on a spectrum of patriotism. That are that are complicated in that a at the far end. There has always been this tradition of sort of patriotic descent this idea that. at its best patriotism is the sense that I want my country to be what it is capable of right live up to its aspirations. Despite the fact that our founding documents, which are which I talk about are flawed and stuff it would not be fair not to admit that there has been beautiful stuff written by American. Theorists and politicians are there have been even some of whom were like super hypocritical and all that. But there is something in the political tradition that comes out of the United States especially in the late in light men around the revolution that is valuable and that should be live up to it. it could it could be worthwhile. So real Patriot the Ben is not only a systemic critique of current policy, but it's a demand a participatory. You know I talk about in the book, the different ties, but a participatory demand that the nation live up to its principles. That's why I call a Patriot sent a participatory principled patriotism right and so yeah, that's. Kind of. What that was about I could not have written that right I couldn't like thought through and articulated that at the time I was writing ghostwriters bag that I was still in the army. I was really in some like personal turmoil. Emotionally I mean and making my way in the world. I had no idea that I was going to be a writer. I just wanted to tell this story lot. It was vomit like I was just vomiting out what had been in my head for years This was more thought through. Organized I guess. So. There's a couple of places in the book where you discuss some some deeply personal anecdotes to include being suicidal and dealing with the emotions slash reality of the death and injuries of your own soldiers. I'm curious not so much on A. An abstract level, but a more more personal one. What discoveries did you make for yourself when you were writing this book because it's deeply personal? You Know How This was also a bit of therapy. But I wrote it at a little bit of a better place in my life. I had come out of a couple of years. You know as you know from the insider baseball and I've had like a really good eight or nine months or so you know and Kinda got my life together whatever that means you don't understand it's faulting could fall back again. But this book was I was really plugging out the last bit of it just as I was kinda coming into a healthier place my life that I made that I'm living in now and so there's a lot of sharing. There's a lot of kind of confession and. Admission of like pass problems in tough times and phases that I've went through that. Again, I'm not saying I'm out of but but it was more reflective as I could I could look at it a little bit more objectively and say, this is what I was feeling. This is where I was at with the hindsight of a little bit of help. In, my personal life. So unlike goes riders which was completely just written in the breach you know. Of just turmoil against the army and like not sure what all this is about, and we're where my life's GonNa go this one was a little more reflective. Because I love doing the podcast. Being able to share experiences in the military with allies and supporters means the world to us. But we can't do all the work. We need you to share an episode of ours with someone anyone who you might think might be affected by it. Young people looking to join the military or parents advocating for one conscientious citizens who care about the violence, the US wages in their name advocates for women and people of Color who understand. The harsh environment military creates for females and minorities and inflicts on Minorities around the globe. And anyone else you think it might affect please take a moment pause the episode Share this with them. Now. Our podcast is supported in a few different ways. I there's patriotic. 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If Patriot, his ear style, you can always contribute directly to us through pay pal at paypal dot me forward slash for on a hill. OR PLEASE CHECK OUT OUR STORE ON SPREADSHEETS DOT com make sure you check for Promo codes before you order and now. Let's get back to the PODCAST. The experience of writing is always tough. People used to ask me all the time do Is it healthy for you like? Is it a net positive for you to be a writer given what you write about like is it good for your health I used to get the question a lot like early on I would like some. And I would always say like, yes and NO I. Yes. It gives me something to do Yes. Because I love it and I'm a door and I want to read and write it's what I enjoy and it's also like what I can do. Right you know Megan marks like to each according to his ability you know like that's my ability right So that was always yes. But then the negative was always but I mean I make a living reliving the worst things in some cases when I write personal stuff and then reliving it. because. Usually I don't tell my own personal stories per se. But when you write about Yemeni, kids starving to death as a matter of course like what I do. Yeah. I mean that's that's a dark thing. So then I always felt like am I like ever GonNa, be able to get out of. The Morose you know what I mean like. Am I, GonNa be stuck here. Men's elite by virtue of the decisions. I've made like, should I start writing? kindergarten. Kids books I used to thank now of course, side note those would be some. Kindergarten books this would not be the be of g you know what I mean. It would be like you know but anyway but I used to say that like maybe different job would be actually almost better So I was always torn about. right now and when I wrote the book I think overall. It was definitely more in the positive like definitely more in the therapeutic and Cathartic. it was I mean it's kind of. The culmination of a lot of ideas that I've been tossing around. From, you know two thousand from what I left West Point. So like two, thousand, seventeen till now. So it was it's really a summary in a sense of like the. Philosophical. Conclusions. I'd come to. doering that really tough transition from you know fairly well regarded military officer to civilians who kind of writer activists so. Yeah I think overall, the experience was pretty positive and one of the things that was interesting is. Nord than even my normal writing which do ten right further quickly but. This is just like really flawed off the fingertips and off the head like I didn't have to do a whole lot of. Research I mean, there's a lot of research heavy history and stuff, but I'd already done most of that work. So I was able to just go back I mean is like the pros itself was like dare it's shit that I stayed up at night thinking about a year ago. So it was like in other words, all the data was there and like Bob and Steve just kind of gave me the outlet opportunity and I'm really thankful the heyday who soup or great like. To just let it go know like just let it out and. So the stuff was there would have been kind of a waste if I didn't publish it I think and Yeah. So that's what the experience was like. I hope that it was it was pretty positive I would say and I'm really I'm pretty happy with the output No I don't read the stuff that I write like ever again usually like I never want to see it over again like I hate it I can't open goes riders I'm like God is really right like that like embarrassed myself. I mean it just even the technical writing like I'm like Oh my God you were terrible but but this one I mean I go back and read the whole thing. But I've gone back and. Looked at it to give book talks and stuff and. More than usual when I read it on like Okay Yeah I'm pretty happy with this like I'm pretty I'm pretty happy with which is rare for me. You know. I'm really Enliven to hear that any that that it's been such a great and Cathartic experience for you being able to. Get those ideas out. there. I'm curious. Did you notice any role of? Heroism, or the more black and white ideas played during the time of the book did you. How did you see the notion of a hero doing it may be compared a little bit too ghost ghostwriters and was there points where that concept started to buckle under examination. Like what it means to be a hero in otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. totally and I think goes riders I was still. Like all of us are product I think of nature nurture the kind of culture we raised in that's family that's neighborhood that's profession class and and has also America right. It's just an generation. So we're all a product of all those things I think that the question for any human being is the extent to which. Finally eventually you can kind of. Transcend that right like transcend the bias identify at men's No I'M GONNA. Take an empirical look at whatever the says, and then come to a new decision about what's right. You know most people never try. Fewer than that ever get. To even noticing behind this, you know and then fewer still doing anything about it and stuff like that. I am somewhere on that spectrum and not at a map there yet. But I will say that at the time of goes riders. I was definitely still. Romantically attached. To the classic hero within the military I mean. People who are conservative or more pro war or even just more pro like military in like the current classic contract would not think that they'd be like. Are you kidding like you totally lambasted the military and like every concept of patriotism in Ghost riders but I know and you know and people who can read this stuff a lot no no I was still there. You know I, mean, I think there was still like a romance to this sort of like sacrificing war I talk a lot about military service in like when I go back and look at any of the essays and stuff that wrote in that time where I talked about the draft than who served the new didn't I sense? In. My Writing Degree of self righteousness, and also a little bit of like judgmental criticism of those who don't serve one could read and I didn't mean to do that. But I know I was probably subconsciously. But also, if you read some of the stuff even from an intellectual standpoint, it's clear that I'm saying. Look. It's better that the guys at Harvard served right a rather than just you know what? I should just be saying like it is better that there was more you know. Divided service little bit more fairly spread that there was the sense that everyone is equal and everyone has an equal obligation and responsibility. But if you really read, it goes right Oh some of that stuff. It's clear that I still got the sort of. Mythological military hero little that high up in my pantheon despite the critique. That's never probably gonNA. Completely. Go Away I mean I was raised in the martyrdom culture of Irish Catholic death cult There's probably always gonna be that. Aspect of sort of the military sacrifice send. Aerobics that are associated with the What's different I think is that in the time between ghost riders on this book and in terms of publication we're talking about. Almost. Five full years. My Euros happen legitimately changed and like they are. Folks who? Had the courage to fight conventions and fight militarism event at the expense of being called week or being called a softer masculine and it that's been a big change for my life is you know I I would say back in the day that I supported all that. But in practice I was like Oh you know you don't WanNa look weak like you have to you know all that and Certainly. If you look at people that, I choose to highlight in this book. Day they have changed since my early writing and like my notion of heroism. Now, I'll just give you an example like you know I don't know if they'll listen to this, and then like me, my father had a very strained relationship in its shame and we disagree about why that is and a million things but we do disagree with a lot of politics over the years and. You know I think like Old Danny Okay my dad was anti. War. As a teenager. Like straight up like actively sort of opposed to the Vietnam War Didn't want like being the like. I'm not saying he would run away from it but like didn't want to be in the army didn't think it was right to you know fighting that war that it wasn't worth. He followed the path of more served the classic Reagan Democrats or Republican. Transition that so many immerse did right In he got more and more and more like politically conservative in like pro war and stuff. Well, five years ago when we would argue about. Our positions on war. Whether I said it which I think a few times I terribly did thought it most of the time there was a part of me. that. was feeling and probably communicating to him. And I think this kind of question very directed importantly communicating to him. Who Are you? To question my anti-war posture because I've been in two wars and you didn't want to be in them or like you did. That is intellectually and ethically paltry and It is satisfying in a like hit off the pipe sort of way you don't make in like an initial. But most things in our lives that feel that way they're they're not so great. You know what I mean. There's something missing now at the time of writing patriotic descent my position on my for example, and I talk while my father I'm not talking about just talking about like a generational argument like a classic case of like the Pro and Anti War folks talking to each other and there is an adjustment and I bet that there are a million people who have this exact sort relationship with like bear father Uncle Insert whatever here now my position is this. I'm. Proud. Of what matter what he thinks today? And that's okay. Everyone's entitled to it. I. Am I'm proud of my fathers position as a seventeen year old. Because I at seventeen. Didn't feel that way about my wars of my generation like his instincts his gut was right and so rather than like how toxic of me right to to play classic hero of you don't get an opinion because you didn't serve in the war. So how dare you question me? That's just intellectually just terrible. Logical Fallacy. Now, it's more like, okay. How can we have empathy? How can we re frame the entire concept of who gets an opinion who has value what platform matters? What makes you a man, and so now I say I want to say to him you know like an haven't. You know we've been really not speak much but I I wanna say to him. Like Dad like and I want to say to the whole people who went through his same. Development Dad like I'm like proud of that person like I would have liked to have met that person that doesn't mean that the person who are now is bad. It just means like I'm sorry if I communicated that other way because that is toxic, that's toxic masculinity that's toxic militarism. It's toxic patriotism and this book is a rejection of that and and I'm not there none of us are completely there but I'm closer to saying. The problem is the fact that we think having killed people. Or being in a position to want to or be willing to makes you not only tougher better but like more valuable. Right to society, and so the heroes I chose even though many of them had been there done that and then had like a road to Damascus. They. they reject that they reject the Fed Association of that and the toxicity about. So it's a really strange answer maybe, but like I've never really talked about that before and I think. I'm onto something or I hope I don't let the let the listeners. While ago you were on. You had an interview on is left was it specifically about your book but some some of the subjects covered there and I really enjoyed I'm going to butcher it here. So I'm paraphrasing but I really enjoy a discussion with them about how that we as veterans as as former as people who went to war for America and came home that we have a deep obligation to demystify the critiques of the military to such a degree that civilians on military folks like Your Dad. Can hold the same standing in an argument with combat veteran because it's on the facts and it's not on the emotions. but I found that really powerful and I I I know that I'm still making my way through that journey myself you know still have some of the same hero ideas that I did when I was in, they've changed morphed allot Indifferently leaned much more towards any worthies days but I think that that's a really important thing and I'm really glad that you. Brought that up that you discuss it at length in the book that. Civilians role in this is very powerful and we need as veterans need to make powerful for them, and I think that's what we do here on the podcast. Yeah I totally think. You know we're veterans regressive podcasts alike one good look at that and say like you guys are selling based on the platform right? Not Selling like in the literal sense. But you know he's telling you yourselves on the fact that you have this extra credibility and I would say like guilty like we live in the world as it is and in the world as it is. We as a society has given veterans platform it has given us like a credibility with the public that we might not otherwise have, and so what what I argued on is lack the argument the book is. That is a responsibility like all. Applause, all law laurels that are put upon you by society, our responsibilities leadership And most people don't look at it that way. But I think we really ought to. So if society even if I don't agree. that a veteran is just automatically better or more valuable in his opinions or has been more valuable. Even if I don't agree with that and I don't agree with that, any longer I haven't for quite some time, but it was a slow process Society. Has said that I do or that we do. And I'M NOT GONNA so my uncle Ivan obligation, my obligation is to use it. To those whom you know great things are given right? You Know Greg Responsibility. And then the second part is as part of that platform as far that responsibility that has been kind of given to us by Society I. Think we have an obligation. To say, no, no, like, yes I'm gonNA, take it. But since you've given me this platform. I'M GONNA. Reject. that. I'm going to reject the toxic sort of fetish izing of militarism that is inherent in that very sentiment that the veteran matters more and so in a sense if we're doing our job, we make ourselves almost obsolete right in like that's okay. That's okay. I want people to listen to what I to say because I read books and I think a lot. And I'm not saying that experienced doesn't play into it I. Think it should I just don't think that our. Veteran experience which if you take sandpaper to it. If you it's very powerful to me to get to the root of all things like what what is this for like look at anything? What is it for? If you scrub way the bullshit, the veneer, the palm, right what's what what is there? Well, it's it's it's a willingness to kill and die. For an abstraction. Almost, always writes never your home. In American history or even in most countries. It is rarely your home you're fighting. So you fight front of traction where that'd be the state or the ideology of said state or the economic interests they are in your fighting for obstruction you're killing I'm just not sure why I am shirt. frontloading that prioritizing that. That the opinions of folks who? Were willing to do that. I don't know I think that that is very dangerous and so yeah, we have an obligation to sort of try to make that obsolete and if it means, we don't get invited to as many podcasts. Will then good because if it was easy. And if it benefited us than like it's probably lean. Not as profound argument. Right is. If. The argument you're. Making. Benefits you even if that's not the reason you're making it, there's always going to be a the suspicion that it is and be like it's just not as powerful right? Because there's no sacrifice inherent I go with like you know obviously the Catholic martyrdom thing but I think that it's valuable and so yeah, that's that's what I talk about in terms of. Look I'm GonNa tell you the stories of these military dissenters, but my point is that. We need rise above that and like salvations. Not GonNa. Come from your veterans. Now, if we if we can be a catalyst if we can be A. Vanguard to NOCCO. Full throated. Bolshevism. But if we can be kind of like a yard, Ben Garden that's Great. But this needs to be like a society rising and rejecting the current formation of victor does not the military Bagram everyone's hand and like you know white savior which literally given the rest of the combat forces would be the case white savior military like sorry that's not a good. Yeah. That's not what Shelvin. White? Male. Savior of that Will Danny I think that's a great place to wrap it up for today I'm I'm really excited for the book come out I. I'm hoping that listeners hoping you guys all go out and pick it up. It's going to be out on September eighth. anything he told the listeners where they can purchase your book. Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for doing this by the way Henry. Is, interesting. I really thought through stuff. The end of the year that I hadn't four but the the book look you can get it on Amazon. You can get it on target and get on Walmart don't do that. Don't do that. Go to heyday books right H. E. Y. D. A. Y. Heyday books go to their website Google it type A giant. Book. Is there with all their views? There's a priori link, and then once it comes out, there was an order link you know support. Publishers in the book industry That's the best place to find it in to my website. Link of the picture of my book will take you right there gay but you could also just google it. So do that and like Ami I'm always flattered if People Wanna read the book I appreciate it. All right. That sounds good. Folks for joining us today and we'll be back in soon. Take Care We're. On twitter at Fortress Sauna Also. At facebook DOT COM at fortress on a hill. You can find our main blog page and our full collection of episodes at www dot. Hill Dot Com. I tunes, stitcher, Google podcasts Patriarch on spotify. You name it almost anywhere. You listen we're already waiting for you. And Hey we're always in the market for more patriot, supporters please considered becoming a patron patriot, dot com. If you're not into, give us a monthly payment think about giving us a couple of bucks on papal. Link is in the show. Skepticism is ones best armor. Never Forget. We'll see next. Look. Oh.

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DR. DOLITTLE w/ Dr. Evan Antin and Danny Jolles

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55:30 min | 3 months ago

DR. DOLITTLE w/ Dr. Evan Antin and Danny Jolles

"Hey since we're doing Dr Doolittle. I decided to go out to a park and I came upon a little squirrel. How's it going? Hey, where'd you get issues Mr where do I get my shoes get? Over their new balance I probably got him a new balance store Would you like a pair of shoes? Yeah, I'll take them. Oh okay well I just wanted to. have him small. My little tiny pause no I. These are my size. I untied them. Okay, that's okay. I'll put them back later. No I want them now. You just want to take my shoes right now. A non them okay. I just saw them down so that there little tiny new balance shoes from pause. Okay, go ahead! That's like payment for the interview. Sure I'm GonNa Bite Your Ankle? Know! Right. We have to. Pass. Hi everybody welcome to bed signs. This is the show where we dissect a film with a comedian scientist and today we have to extraordinary guests to help me break down Dr Doolittle from Nineteen Ninety Eight, a movie I grew up with I. Absolutely Adore and hope that my guests feel the same, because if not, we will have a vicious battle of words, because we are corentin separately in different parts of the country and unfortunately i. I cannot battle them in person, but I'm sure that I would win if I did anyways joining us. I, he is a stand up comedian and actor. You may know from crazy ex girlfriend. I'm a huge fan of his. It's Danny Jealous Thank you so much Oh. You're very welcome Danny. Glad to talk to you again. It's been a while I. Know It's been a hot second I did sign my first time on the podcast. Yup that's right, which I strongly loved and. I did not remember this movie very well, and it does holds up a champ. Yeah, this movie is excellent. I'm glad to hear you say that I was afraid. You were going the other way. No, I, I mean I. Have Thought I like I. I will say very difficult to tell what age range this movie was four, but man. It does have multiple laugh out loud moments I absolutely I've watched the movie a million times, but haven't watched it in I. Don't know maybe ten years, plus probably so it's like I remembered a lot of the moment, but also yeah. A lot of the jokes hit me sideways especially. I think the Chris. Rock lines the the Guinea pig lines which is. A. Guinea pig I. Mean can't get better than that. And before we have to our other guests and this film I also wanted to get an update on you. You have a podcast and I love the title of it. It's called everything, but the scores that right. Yes, that is true I talk about all the stories around sports, so it's never about what's going on the field more about the the athletes in what they're doing. which was a? Year ago or however long ago when I started, it was A. Interesting idea and particularly with what's going on right now. I am absolutely it? What athletes are doing a great job? It's really fun. It's both finding, and also you know we talk about some heavy stuff. Yeah, definitely timely now because there's nothing going on on the field, so it's it's all just well ripe for you. We have a week away. I mean we are. Baseball is basketball's imminent boxing. You have see already going I'm a huge sports fan. Zhiyi talents, this is this is what I live for. sports are sports are flying back. And I'm a huge basketball fan too, but I. don't want to get myself to hyped up I gotta be honest with you. I have a lot of doubts, a lot of pessimism that we will not see sports, and it will be shut down the same way. There was the whole reopening, and now everything's releasing. I just think I don't know. I have my doubts. I've been watching boxing on ESPN. And they have held a bubble now for a month and a half where boxer coming in and out with their corners in and out of this bubble, there's constant movement. If you are true to a bubble, a bubble is very effective. You just have to be true. Issue won't be the bubble. The bubble respect you. One hundred percent bubble works great. The question is will the NBA. Players respect the bubble and data. No chance I definitely not already already. Two people have been sent to their rooms for day. Day Quarantine, punishments for takeout orders. Yeah, and that will continue skyward. I believe so. I want to get to our other guests. I'm I'm so incredibly excited that he's here. He is an animal, activist and conservationist and veterinarian. You may know from his animal planet. Show Evan Goes Wild. It's Dr Evan Anton already. How's IT GOING EVAN? It's gone going well, man, thank you, please thank you for being here. Thank you for joining Danny and I. Are you excited about sports as well or a WHO cares I do love the The like defying sports of really love watching UFC in boxing and. I love watching other sports, too. I don't find myself and done watching that often have always. Just got other stuff I wanNA. Do But I. do like I love it every time I knew sit down. I got friends getting together watching the game especially like football I love. I always have a really good time I, just don't I just don't get into it but I. do enjoy for sure so. Have you ever got into a wrestling? Match or kick boxing match with a bear or some sort of Lyon yeah, right I. Yeah, I've I've I've had some interactions in luckily nothing to devastating Box My. Kangaroos and work with a lot. You know bears and lions in all kinds of other animals to and rhinos and primates in all kinds of stuff I love working with wildlife around the world, and then I work at a small animal, Exotic Wildlife Hospital in or near La here where I live, I, mean you're pretty jacked up, so I'm just saying like you can probably handle yourself with I. Don't know Gorillas and stuff. I mean I would be and no offense Danny but I'm GONNA. Put you in. My category wrecked wrecked very quickly. I will humbly admit a gorilla with romy to shreds most animals. Would I mean yeah, it's it's. It's as you see the. You still sound powerful. Primates are pound for pound. It'll a little boone, which have their way with us. Let alone a big a guerilla, really entering a speaking the and I have to say I love that the ran in in mind you. These guys are native to Southeast Asia spoke fluent Spanish. Dr Dolittle Yeah I thought that was funny. Surprising movie does hold up. I Don I haven't seen it since I was. Fourteen years old or something, and it is solid in I also agree with Danny. I'm not sure what age range it's meant forfeiting their right. I mean they were very pg thirteen. At least yes, that was very funny. It's wild to movie about like talking animals and be like, but for adults such a clear kids movie and they were like we're GonNa go adult with it. They did A. Great job because when we were kids, we love it was an awesome movie. It you know I. Think I, Remember Really Levin. Kid and I wonder I. It's an interesting lesson like Oh, I wonder what kids can actually handle. Yes, I. Don't remember thinking it. was that crazy as a kid I don't I remember being like a crazy thing that we saw and look at it now as an adult I'm like. A child hearing these words, and it's like Oh what actually wh. What's so bad about this? Yeah, I feel it made it more hip or something like anytime. Somebody would curse or relatively curse get close to cursing. When I was younger I thought that was the coolest thing so I. Guess There's a part of it. That's like I don't know a lien did like the big song on the soundtrack and Eddie Murphy Super. Cool, and now people are like yelling somewhat bad words movies for kids, but it's also kind of cool, and then the adults taking their kids to the movie theater probably super glad to take them again because they find it funny to totally. It worked. It worked hit. Absolutely were too great. Moving I really loved it. I had the great. To I didn't I didn't realize the the agent I saw the cast was actually amazing that movie. All the different voices new starting with Ellen and everything was so funny Oh. Yeah, a star-studded. That was one thing I definitely did not realize as much when I was little, I may be would recognize one or two the voices, but now watching it. It's like I knew everybody that was in, and it was so cool to hear like when Gary Shanley started talking. Awesome. So Evan. Have you been talking to Danny briefly about this lockdown that we're under? Lockdown as well or have you still been travelling? The world the last few months. No, I got back from my last international trip, which was Australia helping out some animals after the wildfires in the end of February I got back early March and then you know words stirred spreading about in a much bigger way about cove with some people before that. That, but it was pretty pretty well known at that point in Yemen I've not left town I've not I've not been left anymore. Domestic or anything I've been just thrown in La and before we get into more of the movie stuff I know people are probably freaking out about their pets. As it relates to cove nineteen so view have I don't know. Know some sort of like summary or breakdown that you know either we should worry A. we shouldn't worry about our -solutely me at the end of the day. You shouldn't worry, so let me just explain it really quick when it comes to pets, they they're. They're not just going to get covert and bring it home, and if it's you number one. One number two. If they do have covert, it's because you are somebody else in your household gave it to them number three. There's not been any dogs I. Don't think there have been significantly ill or really ill at all with corona viruses, which and this includes. If you guys remember the SARS one outbreak in two, thousand, one, thousand, two Middle Eastern Respiratory. Syndrome merce than is also a corona virus, and then of course bovine nineteen. Hats are more affected by I. Don't I'm not aware of any pats getting fatally ill from it or getting even significantly ill, even the big cats under if you guys. The Bronx Zoo had some tigers and lions cheetahs, and maybe some of the cats got sick with it in all of them is far as I. Know Did okay The cats and ferrets are more vulnerable to this virus. Can Affect them more. There's no evidence showing that cats have even to person. Every pet that we know of has been positive. Has It's been very. Obvious than a person gave it to them whether it was a caretaker zoo whether it was somebody a household where the cats think infected were infected, and that was in Holland and Hong Kong in there. Maybe it was a case or two in the U. S., but don't quote me on that, but for sure the Netherlands in Hong, Kong and so at the end of the day. What I'm telling people's don't worry about your pets giving it to you in the the really the real concern is. Worried about you giving it to your pet, so if you do have it and you do live with pets, especially, cats or ferrets, even more so ferrets than cats on, do your very best to distance from them, and it sucks, but it's in their best interest, and especially if you live with other people in in, you can distance from those other people have them take care of the pets that would be the move, but that's kind of general. Thing I. Want people to know about pets because some people are getting kinda crazy in relinquishing their pets, pets are going to give it to them and I heard some horror stories what people were doing to pets in Hong Kong in parts, of China, and so I. Don't want anybody doing anything irrational. Urges. Rash than just is not in our pets best interest in necessary. Okay good to I feel like that narrative could be pushed harder I would love it if people thought getting cove meant their dog could get it I feel like would create a significant uptick. In mask-wearing! Yeah, yeah, so let's get a quick recording of Evan just basically say the opposite about what you said. Listen I'm saying you gotTa Lie. Don't. Let me, tell you people get the O see. Everybody wears a mask. If you tell them, their dogs could get sick, right, you could save a lot of lives here Evan. No, it's. It's I. Don't want to say it's too bad that camp, but it is interesting because I I really I think you're right. I think that would make a real difference. That's that really is a game. Changer and people pick their pets south especially these days even compared to when this. This movie came out in the last twenty years. We see we see such a difference in how much people invest in care about their pets in value, other health you know and it's it's It's pretty intense these days. It's awesome as a veterinarian. It's break Oh. Yeah, people listen to veterinarians in such different way than they listen to their own doctors categorically across the Board Yup. I respect my vet more than my doctor. I'm not ashamed to say it. Everybody does. He doesn't. WanNa hear my medical input for their human health problems. I'm sure over. I used to joke about this where I was like. Whereas everybody listens to veterinarians, no veterinarians like don't even your dog kid not have dark chocolate. Do not let them have dark chocolate. Advice like you got it. And then our doctors are like you also shouldn't have chocolate for the record, and we're all like. Ask Shot Up. Like what are you know? Who Can? It's like it's true. Nobody lists refunding. Okay, so wait on the the last thing about the virus is that it came from bats at originated from bats or some sort of bad pig or mix, and this isn't the first time right. I mean bats have created. Viruses so should we create some sort of bat, isolated island, and just never share any sort of ecosystem with bats. Should they be on their own? That's play valid role in ecosystem so from a a real ecological standpoint. No bats are everywhere there in just about every continent, shit and they. They have their role with with. Bay, they have. They really have the role in the food chain. I mean the insect populations would be very different. A lot of other animals depend on bass for Food A lot. Bats are big time pollinators. That's really important for plants, and of course other species. So that's really do probably will roll ambassador interesting animal you know they. They have such high metabolic needs, and they they have really unique. Immune systems were their immune systems aren't as reactive to a lot of scary pathogenic. From other viruses and whatnot, and so their immune systems just don't have a fit about a lot of these things, and so in bats are implicated in all these source viruses SARS one Murray's job in nineteen everything you know so. It's just a thing in the big thing. Really. We just need to change how we interact wildlife. And so the laws in China about how they farm wildlife, and how it's done and end, and you know the the sanitation in everything, and how it's funded is just horrible, and it's a lot of people wanNA blame the farmers and the people catching wildlife and keeping them these horrible conditions wet markets, but you do have to realize these people are Baroque I mean they don't have funds or To do a lot, otherwise, it's really the government needs to step up and say hey. These people depend on wildlife food. We need to change how they're gonNA farm. Wildlife or we need to change how they're. GonNa, we domesticated animals something, but it's you know they have to get. They gotta do some different so. Going back. Can you were saying that? Bats have an incredible immune system? So are you telling me the answers in front of us? The whole time that bats that created the virus may have the cure That'd be a good twist. I'm really. Not Aspect I mean I think that is really interesting to explore absolutely, but okay. Yeah I I don't even know if the I don't know how. It was bats were implicated. In with the virus as being the ones transferring it to people making it. What's called what we call Zone Audit Committees? Zoonotic Diseases simply defined by pathogens, viruses, bacteria, parasites, protozoa, et, Cetera, that can. Be Transmitted from animals, people vice versa, so that's where bats are implicated. I'm not sure we're were saying that they you know they. The virus started in them I see. That's just where it became a problem. Sense well, they still scare the hell out of me. Yeah, we don't know what animals him be. Infected carry it. Get sick from it. We don't know the extent of not not not by a long shot. You know in the why world were treating it as if any primate as humans are primates, are vulnerable to it, especially apes, the ones that are most genetically similar to a so a lot of places that. Are doing protecting habitat or doing wildlife rescue for a whether chimpanzees or gorillas orangutans. You know some of these the greater aches. They're doing really strict. You know all in all out policy. Where if you leading a bobble get totally exactly what you're saying. It's a full on very strict bubble, and they take it super seriously, because again, we just we honestly don't know. We don't know how the gotTa respect the bubble, the US socks at bobble sex bobble head with the bubble. Guys Jesus, telling you watch the BOXY ON ESPN for six weeks now I've watched people come in and out of this bubble, and they've had no incidence and I'm Mike Gaba works. If everyone just did the bubble one hundred percent I mean. Yeah, if you don't get, it neared boxing and everything you know that's that's a pretty intimate. Yeah. A really any context or Terrific way to spread this virus, and if you can respect the bubble, Yep, I agree okay well jumping into something. A little more blissful Dr Doolittle at the beginning of this movie. He's talking to a dog. It's ellen like you said adorable and he asks. Why do dogs sniff each others butts, and she kind of explains that it's just their way of getting to know one another. He goes and sniffs his new principles, but and gets in trouble. We all know the story. Is that an accurate description? Is that why dogs sniff each others, Butts, dogs and a lot of animals. They have sent gland back there and they re released. That's that's that's a a great spot to to have fair moans. Basically conflict company sent glance backing up a little bit fair moans are basically a chemical means of communication and by smell. It's just just. Smell input to describe how a pet is feeling or what we're not I should say pet how animal is feeling or what they're going through, or you know if they're stress if they're happy, all kinds of stuff to basically communicate what their status is. It's like their little social media or whatever you know, I guess they do person not digitally, but you know it's just to communicate kind of a little bit more about the animal. The they can learn a lot from each other from the FAIRMONT's coming out of of those lands and we don't do that. We don't have Fairmont's going off in our. Back, door now I it's. It's interesting topic to be honest because I. Think it's something that can be explored a lot more in the wildlife because Fairmont's can do great things I mean for example we have with our affair moons in the in the pet world with cats and dogs, but they're a little more effective in cats in there like wall plug in diffusers and sprays, and the Fair Mon are being sprayed in this application in households with say aggressive cats or cats, not getting longer high stress cats. Are Synthetic equivalents of lactating queens or queen by the way as a female mother cat intact that and so these are happy Fairmont's these are meant to reduce dressing. That's and we see up to about fifty percents stats responding favorably to these fairmont in present more, there are also other ramones like stress pheromones. You can get hired urine online I think a lot of that has to do with the fair moans in to try to reduce. Wildlife get in your yard or cats are coming in yard or whatever you know, so there's a lot more we can do there to answer your question about people. Yeah, we do have fairmont's hundred percent, and it's just something just not talked about a lot, and we don't think about it a lot and I do think it plays a big role in our lives when we realize and I wonder you know I mean like I don't know if you guys ever had moments. And this is totally speculating I've not heard like another fairmont expert, or or whatever say anything like this, but have you ever met somebody and you? Just you don't. You can't even. Even put your finger on it. You just you just you don't WanNa. Touch them with a ten foot boat. You know you, just you just something about an utterly rubs you the wrong way and you don't know what I always wonder are they put not some fair amount than I am. There's not agreeing with you advice for. There's other people in your dislike on paper. You're really not like that incredibly awesome I really like you. You seem super great, you know, and so it's like I. Wonder that, too. If it's like fairmont thing, but yeah, it's every. Every vertebrate uses some sort of fairmount as far as I know and end now and this is. Probably a stupid question Rushes. Thank you, thank you so much but like let's say my girlfriend lights a candle that has like a vanilla scent to it because it makes her feel more relaxed. Is that a basically similar premise to putting a fair moaned at my dog would like an in the house, though so moans are designed really for interspecies. Sorry interest besieged mutation, so they're actually meant for communication, a means of communication between species for example rhinos know we'll all boop in the same area you know. Know and the when they're all living in in a similar region or habitat bill poop in what's called a midden in a midden is where they all go to the bathroom poop, and that's where you learn a lot about Reina's, and so you'll see oh, this guy. He seems like he's Alpha. Male one of these guys now from Oh. There's a female smells like she's an actress and I WANNA go hook up with her, so I'm GonNa. Follow that that sent that track. And, so it's all about communication communicating between species and some Fairmont's can communicate across species but Yeah, it's it's not. It's not just like a leasing or whatever smell that makes you feel a certain way it's it's really meant to communicate within a species sense, but is it still something we're picking up? through our or factory is the right word. senses like in other words. We can smell stuff like Danny. Sang. That is just pleasing or relaxes us, but they're not Fairmont, and then we can also maybe simultaneously be picking up or sniffing or smelling of airman yeah. Wow. Okay, so it's like almost like different waves going through the air that like you can pick up ultraviolet rays or sound waves, but they're all kind of happening simultaneously, yeah? Yeah, they're. You're totally picking up I. Think some of so much of it is just basically kind of subconscious but I think there's a lot of it every day in. It's I mean it's such just as. With wildlife and animals an pads, it's a huge part of their world in it's plays a part in their daily life multiple times every single day, and so I just have to think it must be a big part of our lives, and we realize but I. I think it has to be there, and it's just something we just don't think about as much 'cause. We're civilized. We communicate in so many other forms, and we have complex languages and everything else, but I think I mean we are animals in we do have a lot of you know still have a lot of the basic instinct things that we had as we revolving and I think that plays a bigger role than people people know. Okay, cool, so there's a scene also close to the beginning where Maya doctor doolittles, daughter is very excited about this swan egg that she found because when it hatches the first thing it sees it'll bond with as its mother turns out. It's an alligator egg, but it still comes out this baby alligator, saying Mama so I wanted to know if that was true for those two animals, or if that's just kinda how it works universally throughout the Animal Kingdom, yeah, real quick on the edge, just have to say this as a huge reptile and reptile nerd reptile in general are lettering kind of soft. They're very low in calcium, compared to birds which are hard and brittle. And so an alligator egg looks it doesn't look like that. It's not quite the same shape in. It's like a soft. Malleable. leathery kind of you know like hard boiled yet. It's hard to explain it's just like a really thin soft leathery. Feeling again, they have they haven't have dude they. That's how they rip through it, but they're not cracking this egg it would. Like that and then what you're asking about. Yeah, it's called imprinting, and that is something that a born animals often do a lot of birds do that I mean a lot of reptiles are born from eggs in other than Crocodilians which includes alligators crocodiles Gabriel's in humans. Most reptiles if if they hatch from an egg there. Equipped with all the instinct and knowledge, they need to know to survive. Okay, they're basically like a miniature adult, and they do not They do not imprinted anything because there's nothing there, mother them or take care of them are protect them while they just don't have that. Crocodilians are the only really the main reptile than does that where they will protect their. Their young and they will you know that the babies can call for their moms, and she'll come and see what's going on to make sure they're not in harm. They'll guard their nests. They'll gently bring them to the water. The the babies will fast on their mom in the water, and is you ever seen pictures or videos or whatever our imagery of? Crocodiles in the while and they've got all these tiny little being crocodiles all over their head, and they're in their neck and stuff. That's usually better babies. Birds, you know they are very dependent as babies. They're totally helpless. They are featherless. They can't see they're not born you by any stretch of any means able to survive on their own. They're super dependent, so yeah, it is like an evolutionary adaptation for them to imprint on. Those around them and they assume that that they're gonNA. Take care of him and in bursts bursts can do that. You get or something good, really young age. It totally couldn't on now to questions from my end. One. Is that true of humans to? Because I feel like here a lot of about that, but how like the baby gets born? Throw right the mother's arms etcetera and I feel like now. We're playing classical music for us when we're in the womb, so I feel like that must be a. we're tracking classical music that early is it also true for humans? And then secondly, is there any animal in the world that is as pathetic as a baby as human babies are? Thank you so much. Answer your second question. I think maybe right there I. Mean They are? Only helpless. They've got nothing. To survive I mean their beaks or soft. They can't fly. They can't see. They could barely move either bipedal. You know. They walk on two legs naked. They just stumble around there just most. Little things every bit as pathetic is baby. All. One hundred percent, and and so to answer your first question, because we are one hundred percent dependent I I'm not an expert on the human you know, baby, imprinting or whatever it is, but yeah, I would just imagine that isn't evolutionary -tations who imprint on those around you when you're born because you need somebody to take care of you need something in babies are. We instinctually whether you like it or not. We instinctually find them adorable with their soft features. Big is and all that kind of stuff just like we do pretty much any baby animal and. And, so when we see a baby, we WANNA take care of babies need to take care of them, so they look adorable. They're gonNA imprint one whatever, and so I am sure there's some form of that. I was just going interject and say that I'm for one I'm going to try to advance the human race and make us less pathetic so that when I have a kid as soon as they're born, I'm just gonNA. Leave them by themselves in the desert. At, what age do you think a human could survive in the wild? The first time it's gotta be up. It's gotta be like most people can't do it as a as a full driving live in the wild. I've been to the world are very i. mean beyond rural, and it is amazing. How worthless sympathetic I find myself which I don't find myself to be that on a regular daily basis in my reference points in the US or home or whatever, but Oh my God you get out in the butcher, the wild at the jungle in some of these parts of the world and I'm just every nothing to the table I'm I'm just a waste of space in wasted resources for for these guys. If were going to be stranded somewhere, it's so funny, but what I'm getting at. Is Kids grow up around here I think they could survive on their own in the wild at. At probably younger than than you guys would think I mean probably in someplace nothing. Some of these kids to be like ten years old yet, and they have the knowledge know how to get the resources they need. They know what they can and can't eat. They know what they have to fear. They know how to get protection. They know all that kind of stuff from a pretty young age so i. think it all just depends on where you grew up but I gotta make up like you know. One percent of the population I mean most are far far less than that I mean. This is the fre bright bracket of a fraction of a percent. Okay Great. All right we're GONNA, take a quick break and we'll be right back if your mailbox is anything like mine ninety percent of the time, it's a fairly depressing place. Political Flyers utility bills on holy amounts of coupons, but once a month I do have a reason to be stoked, and that's because of my box of awesome from bespoke post I got a messenger bag. Well, it's not really messenger bags. Bags kind of like a gear bag from there and I absolutely love it. I can fit nine thousand pounds of gear in there. I have been measured. That's just my guess. It's probably a lot less than that anyway. 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Okay wait I had a little like mini quiz here for speaking about what we view as intelligence. There's something called an e. q. and end sieff fouls -ation quotient. Do you know what I'm talking about? Evan and civilization question? Yes, I've heard of you, know I'm not super familiar with okay good. That'll make the quiz more fair, so an E. Q. is an estimate of the possible intelligence of an animal. Okay, so e Q. of one one point zero means that. That a species has the brain size that you'd expect given its body size so an you of two point, zero means the species has brain twice as large that would be expected due to its size Mrs. This number is meant to represent actual physical neurons. You know the actual size of the central nervous system or or the brain of an animal, or actually their intellectual abilities. I I'm not sure all I can say is that it's the estimate of possible intelligence. All that that's all that I know. Generalizes among species. Basically this species is to this one point five. Whatever exactly I don't like. That I wasn't asked whether I'd heard of the quiz before. I'm sorry, Danny I should've asked You I. my friend. Have you heard of sift valorization questions I have never heard of. All right so I'M GONNA. Ask You the animal and tell me what the E. Q. is. Does that make sense? You'RE Okay? What is the Q of a dog? And I have no reference. Whatsoever you on what size dog your honor that's. That's not. Totally valid, I don't have an. Average sized dog. Toilets in these pretty small, instead sprinting stir yellow miniature Schnauzer. Would imagine they're like you know they're. They're more than one. You know if you're looking across. These dogs are very intelligent. So I would say I don't know, say three or something I. Put it down to the to a going to this website. It's one point now now. I don't want to speak for this and I'm definitely not a judge. Deserving of a your arnold, your honor title there. Danny but that's what I have here. It's one point. Is it only for mammals. s I think so okay that changes. Thing is I'm referencing. All kinds of reptiles and other animals that for their size earn theory small right. Yeah, but it's probably thirds, mammals and upper vertebrates because prep tiles for example don't have a lot of major components of the brain that we do have. Asthma Oh so okay. Okay, so the dogs are one. Okay. That gives me some some reference Okay Yeah dogs are one. It's all about size from what I understood expected size, okay, chimpanzee bright size of the brain, and that's far as animal or certainly one of. The size their brain is i. mean people. We have very large brains for our side so I would say they've gotta be I don't know three or four again. I'm trying to I'm trying to think because chimps are big. They tend to be. Male chimp is like one hundred fifty two hundred pounds, sometimes a little bit more on. Ninety Ninety eight plus percent same genetics as us. Humans are known to have a large physically large brain. Proportionate your size share, but we only use whatever percent it is that people throw around I think. We broke that on the podcast actually by the way that, but that's another topic. Damn okay, so then I'm GonNa go go a little bit I'm GonNa go at two point. Five two point five is exactly correct, Danny. Wow. Wow. Thank you so much, Whoa! Wow really guys. The bubble works okay about a dolphin very smart. Point six to this when I felt higher I felt like dolphins are higher. So I was I was going to go now. Getting cocky I'm going to go with a man I'm GonNa go I'm. GonNa. Go I'll go to five point. Three should went with your good. Oh, I, almost I almost went high. Because they can do great because they can do all those dances. I was thinking of the dances they do. All the squeaks. They squeak and failing that you guys are just destroying my credibility. Nobody's GONNA. Take me seriously. While at least we did it like thirty forty minutes in. So you know they supposedly you. You know structured already cemented your credibility I, and now I'm destroying okay last one a human, what is the issue of US humans, so we're going to be different from it, so is it so intelligence per size? It's straight. Yes, size I believe is. Don't think we're GONNA be that much different from a chimp I'm going to say am explained why I'm to go with my answer because I. Don't agree with my answer but I really interesting, but I have noticed. This is a if I were to be critical of science. Science has a tendency to shit on humans. We always tend to not like our own intelligence, our own strength whatever we tend to always we always put studies together that shit on ourselves. So I have four I've been put us at A. Maybe that's what you're reading. One, point via why answer. I'm closer point five guys. It's seven point. Five stamp was wrong. Our brains are seven times bigger than they should be our body size. And I would not have guessed that that different than chimps. That's Birdseye. That's what I got here. Guys, and maybe that doesn't go for all of us I would put myself at more of a tube. Also different sizes Evans I imagine much stronger bigger than me. That's right that is fair brains probably much bigger, okay they. They have a shot where Eddie Murphy puts a Guinea Pig Chris Rock's character Rodney on top of his car while he's driving. I thought that looked a little bit alarming. I assume people shouldn't do that. And and also would a guinea pig survived that trip. I mean technically be honest. I think you're really getting technical here. Yeah, I think that survived that trip, assuming it's not like a super gnarly, rough road getting pasta around the whole time, but if it's you know, it's GonNa be experiencing what seventy mph winds on freeways beaver take as long as it can burrow its little face. Face in some of the substrate and not be exposed that high that high wind the whole time, and it has access to water. You know because my concern would be like desecrating having so much air movement over you the whole time, and it's not the La getting snowed honor with look like then technically. Yes, I, wouldn't it? I wouldn't recommend it I've seen animals be put through worse than survived as fine, not the nine. Recommend any of that either can. Can Guinea pigs experienced trauma and carry with them. Sure yeah, yeah, so what did traumatize it? A. Maybe I. Don't know about I mean. Guinea pigs are pretty straightforward. Simple animals, mammals relative i. mean there's a lot of other more simple animals, but I could see you doing that with a Guinea pig and then. Giving them the resources they need in, give them more comfortable setting, and they'll be just their normal selves I don't think he's going to be I. Don't think it's GonNa Change that. I mean I was reading piggybacking on what you're saying Danny that like I mean. I got into some weird stuff, which we don't have to dive into as far as like animal, telekinesis and people that are trying to communicate with animals and all sorts of ways. which you know, feel free to comment if you. Have experienced anything like that Evan, but but essentially what I was getting down to is that animals actually live much richer lives than we give them credit for like they can remember things that happened in the past, and they can think about what's going to happen in the future, even animals fish that we'd kind of like this weird myth or like you know the swimming. We all accept that like they have no idea what's going on, but but that actually that they do hold on the animal reunion videos. On Youtube. Come on, yeah, that alone. I mean I'll say this. The more I've worked with animals, the more you just you learn, how much more intelligent than most people including myself ever gave him credit for the amount that can learn and retain, and everything is they do not get nearly in even chickens. Bird, Brent and people say stuff like that and talking about birds in general, we're talking about that that brings up orbits like Ravens in pros and and even a lot of parents, remarkably intelligent, they can have massive vocabularies. They can do a massive amount of different seats, and you can train them to do things inside the tools. They use all kinds of stuff that is way ahead of a lot of other animals. Intel, intellectual ability in animals in general. Don't get you know they don't get the credit. They deserve for their intelligence. And that's that's all the way. Way Down to honeybees. You can train honeybees. Stop you know if is if there is, you can create in association between the behavior desired behavior, and you have a motivation like a reward they respond to. You can train. A lot of animals do a lot of things. What animal has the most actions trying to think of how to say this? But I'm dumb because he basically teach like do this action. You get this reward. What animal has the ability to remember? The most actions Harare like the? You can train the most different things to you. Thank you. Were is another saying but Senate me on chimps are super up there. Dolphins are super up there. Higgs are very up their exempt. Greta pigs are far smarter than dogs F, Aren't we in some ways? Pigs are as smart as chimps. Impeding of some people argue that might be smarter. I don't think that's the case, but. Remarkably intelligent. I would. I would say it's. Those three. You've gotta be somewhere up there. Okay? Yeah, I was reading just as a out that the animals that were accomplishing these extremely complex tasks in this movie. required like one time forty five different trainers on the said, and there were certain interviews I was seeing where it was just like they were trying to compare it to what it was like for a human, and they were saying like. You have no idea how hard this is like how impressive! Animals are learning this like wide variety of commands and tricks and able to perform them that it would be like you know US walking on a tightrope with one foot with one hand in our on our stomach and one hand on her head. It's like what these animals are doing in. This movie is like supposedly really impressive. I mean the trainers to to their credit to my hat's off to them, they do a phenomenal job. And when you just think about when the AL spread the spread, the word that there's a human that can speak to animals in that way in town, and I mean some of it was probably you know special effects or whatever, but when he walks into his room, or whatever and there's like. Two dozen different species you know in the room, and not all of them are really there, but a lot of war I think, and that's I mean do just to get all those different species in a womb, Wa operating not being stressed out about all the other animals north the things we're talking about early. Bare flying around I mean that's that's the thing right there. I I. I was on a run for a while in my career where I did three or four commercials in a row where I kept being chased by different animals and. You, they had a bowl. Wow, and so I had a bullet. The bunch trainer that was very underwhelming because they basically it just seemed like they just drugged this ball. Just this was either drugged or had just quit on life, but it was like so lethargic I did the one that was the most interesting penguins. Google Penguins were tough. Little critters, not friendly these these penguins. They Kinda Penguin. It was not that I know too. Many penguins personally I I don't I remember that they there was five of them and they. They're very packie's. They like to be with a pack. Okay, and and what was this four? Can I look this up I WANNA see this? Is this a Mike's hard lemonade commercial? With us and I was supposed to be chased by this penguin, and by this by a group of Penguins, but one penguin Taylor and anytime they separated one of the penguins and the rest of penguins. The other penguins would lose their mind, and then the one penguin would be like. Very, aggressive, I basically wasn't allowed in show. The Penguin Penguin I couldn't look at them I was supposed to talk to him. He was very very stressed. And at one point they're supposed to have on my chest, and they basically to put like a sheet over my head, and like hold this penguin from trying to murder me for the shot. It was a quite the experience. I've only worked at a few, but they've always been pretty cooperative. Thing wins I'll tell you. These payments were not so nice so nice penguins. I got they got a hold of the eliminate. I, think which which brings me to another question, which is a and I know we're running out of time years. Oh, I, got I got two quick ones one the drunk monkey with that little. Little whisky bottles get a monkey, drunk and men side question. Is there ever a reason to give an animal? Some alcohol a little wine after a long day's work to help them relax that monkeys tiny. I! Don't think it would take you know very little I don't know. How much does it that bottle, but even announce alcohol for a little monkey. That would be very concerned about that. I think is a good chance to survive in everything, but it would get I think super waste especially, since it most likely is not drank before, and then is there value to giving animals alcohol? Not that I can think of I mean the only thing I can think of is I've met a company was doing actually show with vice, and they make what they call cat wine, and they have all these different you know hap- Renee and they have these little cat names with them, and he know meow or something. But really was catnip used beet juice, and then they you know would give the cats the wine and let them have fun with the CATNIP, but as far as actual alcohol animals, not not that I can think of at the moment. How successful is that company? How big is the market for people that want their cats have wine? Yep, good call, yeah. I, don't know I mean they seem to be doing. Okay was just a one shot place. It was in Denver, and I've heard of actually other people doing it. These days is a couple years ago. I met them on as a cute idea. They had a rescue with like cafe stuff for people to like a cat cafe. They sold at one. Do you guys want to expand on that? You guys want collaborate and have a company that has all sorts of like you know things that look like real hard drugs for animals I actually. That's a pretty funny I. I'll do okay. Yeah, you say. That and I don't know if you guys have experienced with any of the street, narcotics or whatnot but I think we can talk off mike different herbs and patents and stuff. Shore if you have, you can have some sort of dog treat. That like has like that fake smoke at the end just so in the. By the little smoke comes out come on now. Donors would flock to this product. Get Real. Okay and then last question. Just really you know to end on an upper note here. There's a tiger that tries to commit suicide or Threatens that he's GonNa. Jump from this tower and I was just wondering. If animals do that ever. If there's animals that do commit suicide or had a feeling, this is coming Yeah, sorry, I mean consciously because they're you know in pain or suffering or whatnot? I I still I need to see this movie because I have not yet. I feel like in the animal world. I need to when I was invincible. My buddy so many they watch. This movie called the cove and it was about dolphins in captivity basically. Yes this this nightmare film. Yes, it's it's. It's sounds pretty rough. But my friend who I it was. He's a colleague now. and he's a practicing veterinarian. Sharp Guy I. I trust his judgment. I don't think he's A. He's a wacker anything he's. He was like he was insisting. He's like no dude. This dolphin really. He plugged as he closes And just he, he killed himself. He was so convinced in that's. Really stuck out. For obvious reasons, but it's it's the one thing I can think of at least a moment of animal intentionally psychologically emotionally suffering in saying this is the end I don't. I can't go on like this so I listen. I've not seen the movie myself to see it before I can really say, but that's the only thing that I can think of. That would fall in that thing. Well I I. I am a slightly I've been described as an anxious person, and that is translated to my animals, and so I can say that I definitely have seen animals. Get very anxious like my d like we had a dog. We had a beagle growing up. And the Beagle you actually I am so curious if you've heard of this before. Because we were told, this was not crazy, but we came home one day, and my Beagle's I had popped out and. We drove it to the vet and they were like. This isn't super uncommon with beagles. If they get very stressed, it can lead to their eye popping out where we lied to that a real thing that happens I know I've never I mean it's not uncommon for that to happen in so. even basically. What we call propagandists for the I it it's it's still you know. It's not like the eyeball sitting there on the floor. It's like it's out of its socket attached. Her horrific horrific Keith never sent super scary, especially to sees a kid that's that's super steering. That's a really horrible sight to see. Fine record is trump, debatable, no, or unless the dogs had to happen before it might happen on its own, but or with I. Mean you got to be some kind of trauma or something anytime? I've ever seen I've never heard of a stressed out dog. You know that already has a predisposition to because they're. Already has a lot of expose outside the head like some of our break out breeds chihuahuas. They've got a lot of eyeballs sitting on the outside of their actual skull. Right compared to other dogs than what wouldn't be as prone to that, but I've never heard of it. Just like you. Come home up, Oh you know. Fluffy provost again you must be really interesting so now. It was door the back in so stressed, and they're like speaking of which you know. Danny, WE WANNA. We WanNa take you like WanNa take therapy were worried about you as like some like. Hundred like like they used just make. You feel like you had something to do with it to get you to do. Something or something weird like that I don't think so because it was the vet. That would have no my personal anxiety history. It was but. Listened to good theory, you floated definitely been lied to by my parents. Many times about many issues. That I've had. I like you just tell him. Rest I walk because I remember. We looked around 'cause we were like something must've happened. And we looked around the house that nothing had fallen. Nothing had gone down, and so we brought him in. They were like what happened. We were like we actually looked. We can't figure out what happened. And then they said that, and they popped it back in, and it was always won- slow for the rest of its. Life Wonky I and it was real fat was Disgusting Looking Dog Obesity can agree. Suppose you that for sure. And then being like the dog breeds like would we talked about so. I don't know how well. I'm sorry that I let us down this path. We were such a good time more horrific. Horrific childhood dog. Experiences of anybody wants to hear him. I got hundreds of great. Maybe. We can all meet backup for Dr Doolittle two. I don't remember Dr Doolittle two at all zero percent I don't even know I. Don't know if I missed it. I don't know what happened, but I did see that. There is a doctor doolittle two with Eddie Murphy. They make a new one ceiling. They made a new one, but I. I gotTa Say I haven't seen it, but the reviews were scathing. I was. Robert Downey junior I have. Dr Jill, three your honor, yes please stop calling me that, but yes, that is true. I. Don't think I've seen any of those. I did obviously saw the first one, but I don't think I've seen the sequel or the third of the new one, were you? Were you speaking from experience there Danny, or are you a fan of the third one? Is that why you bring it up? No I I looked like when when did the second one come out now? I saw one yeah this. The first one was such a monster and maiden so much money that makes sense. There are so many sequels, but yeah, maybe we can you know meet back up? In whatever another half year, when the US is still closed down and talk about Dr Doolittle two, and all your horrible dog stories. Danny Kaye hundreds Okay well listen, thank you both this has been super fund. Where can people find Each of you Danny I also saw. which I didn't mention before that, you're hosting a Trivia show is that? Is that correct? Okay Act, so yeah, what kind of so? There's a company called. Don't tell comedy they do. I loved them they do. A Lotta shows in everywhere, but a comedy club basically and so when all this happened. We sort of were like well. We want to do something creative. It's time we were like. What if we did something that was like interactive those low, but still felt like. Stand up so basically what we do is we do is not just a trivia show. every time he wants to the tribute show. I like like have connection because I'm like I'm not Trivia. Trivia show, but every category is presented by different comic. And so they do their own creative spin on it, and we basically it's like it's like a show. It's an hour long show. And it's really along I. Do host it and I am a part of it. And I am technically trivia host, but I I I have a little tweak out over here every time I, hear that word but I do that and that's every other Thursday. CA plus renowned doing and might be doing it for more places, but yeah so every other Thursday at least. We have nice prizes, lift and liquid death or to sponsors, and then my podcast everything but the scores. Is Very Fun, Fun sports stuff talk about the heavy issues. Talk about the light issues. and then. And then in general, I mean. That I. Mean you know just sitting at home but you can follow me. 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Sifting through the Sand: Chronic Pain, Tech, Health Equity

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Sifting through the Sand: Chronic Pain, Tech, Health Equity

"Welcome to health hats learning on the journey towards best health. I'm Danny. Van Lewin two legged SIS gender old white man's privileged living in a food oasis who can afford many hats. And knows a little bit about a lot of health care. And a lot about very little. Most people wear hats wanted time but I wear them all at once we will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life's realities. In the awesome circus of healthcare. Let's make some sense of all of this. Pain Management. Medical. Choices technology. And Health Equity all converge during this episode. In, a free wheeling conversation with my compatriots on the patient family, Adviser Network, chronic pain task force. Let's unpack that stew of an introductory sentence of. People with chronic pain need tools and plans to manage their pain. Tools include medication therapies exercises, dietary and more. We choose tools to help us manage pain. Best, but we have a team. To help us discover tools. Fit the right tool to the right time and circumstances. Support our experimentation and make the whole managing process easier easier. Technology may or may not help us connect experiment and make the process easier. Those of us with chronic pain do not all have access to the same variety of tools and support of team members. Inequity an institutional racism. Sexism ageism tribalism and other power imbalances significantly impact our ability to manage and reduce suffering from pain. In previous episodes, I introduced several projects in which I participate. Reducing opioid use and managing chronic pain from a patient's point of view. Developing an APP for clinical decision support in chronic pain management. And Considering Equity Inclusion and patient engagement. Pain. Choices, tech, and equity. Few. Does that make any sense? Here's a map of the conversation that follows. Livy Hoy Joan Maxwell Charlotte set low and Dick Michael from the PFA network opioid chronic pain taskforce. Join me for a second talk about a pain management. APP. The first time we looked at wire frames to advise on language contacted usefulness wire frames or snapshots of screens of an APP. I invited this group to join me again to talk about using APPS in general for health and pain management. In the invite and scheduling process, they asked to broaden the conversation to health equity in patient advising. I was delighted to accept this request. I will likely interrupt the conversation from time to time to help you follow the conversation. Okay here go. The while back we had a conversation A and we looked at nap at a chronic pain management APP and a group of US gave some feedback which was very valuable. I've been thinking about what we've done and about technology and. Managing Health and wellness I wanted to ask you. Just in. Everyday life when you have your phone and you put apps on it that you use regularly. And? Why I use maps ecorse like Google. Maps for directions I used to use all of my airline. Okay. For reservations camping. I do use instagram facebook and lengthened as my kind of social media can. I do use stitcher to listen to podcasts. And then I used I chose to air photos among star. Family. I do use the New York Times. Okay. Hi, US, and Rare occasions, but I do sometimes use yelp. Okay. Look for recommendations rings. One of the things that's interesting to me is none of these are healthcare related. Say something about that. Have you Ever used health and wellness type APPS and Why? And why not did you stop and for in that way my like some of my doctors use John Muir health and some used Diablo valley on college and they don't talk to each other very easily and that's the main reason why I tend not to use it as just frustrating and also the Diablo ballet oncology it doesn't report my results like I would like to know my blood test every time I go I can't see that on there. All I can see his my height and weight which I don't need. Okay so it doesn't really give me the impolite won't. Yeah don't have to report bloodwork. I. If I ask for it, they will send it to me, but it doesn't automatically appear. I have the literally. Colin request. It's just a pain. that. Really is annoying and then the other thing. The John Muir health I do is it a little bit more and it does put the result out there for May base some results like they don't mean anything unless you have the doctor perspective saying, yes, you show this. Is High. But what does that mean and what should I do about it and notes from your appointment while then show up and you have those to refer to catch I guess is helpful but I do still find that my personal connection by a phone or a chat by video chat or an in person visit is more helpful to me a- libby what would you say different? So I'm GonNa take a different tact. I use a lot of the same social media and family, but overall. I use APPS that make things easier for me so Much of my health, the the absent I look at every day I look Straw everyday. It records all my activities. I'm networked with my family and other friends who hold me accountable for my exercise routine. Through that I use Peleton. The APP to get access to Yoga and. And Cycling Programs Online. I. Use Ucla Mindfulness for meditation. I look at I city of hope. Photo Maybe once a week or so. Just, although it it does get frustrating for. Several different reasons. Inability to correct things most. Filing you number one, I don't use any social. Media except linked in. Okay. Do Check in on now because I still am in contact with many of my previous colleagues and to some. Extent, my family, my brother, and I do a lot of communication or ownership quarter feeling in. In terms of my health. You know what I have begun staying away from any code nine, thousand, nine, hundred news because it is so skewed I difficult to believe no matter which political side. Or quadrant you happen to be in I. Find it very confusing. But I do go to NASA A lot. I. Go through any science application anything that has to do with science whether it's medical or Subatomic all any of that because I think it's just fascinating. Okay. Other than that I teach in not. Gone really social. I'm more of a Geek. So Dick how about you I tend to use mostly if I use health related guessing not necessarily absent, even call up the website there. Anymore for the. Most health systems maybe unity point whatever the big. Bar Mayo Clinic Dot. Org or something rather many. Dot Com. Dot Net typically for at least for covert information. Of help develop some of those portals. Okay. Are you should portal's I've got probably. Just, with provider groups, like all of them anymore got got their own portals so. Think probably the. Information within those provider portals are fairly well documented things. I. Don't take. They would set themselves up printing without having knows pretty well. Had input from for medical. Providers on down. To pay. Most, of the information that's embedded within those portals. Okay. Thank fairly reputable think probably as far as other APPs I'd. Like I got five different ones. To, zoom in to woven into Microsoft t meeting in. Probably. Not a lot of other APP Cowan I would say. Although, we met to discuss a patient facing pain management APP. These four people not a scientific sample don't use pain management apps or many health apps for that matter. They. Do use their health system and provider practice portals with varying degrees of satisfaction. I find it challenging to locate useful information about the use of health apps. Research says that most people eighty percent have smartphones? Fifty two percent of smartphone users collect health associated information on their devices and eight percent of smartphone users between the ages of. Two forty nine. HAVE MEDICAL APP DOWNLOAD In five minutes of searching I couldn't find the definition of use just downloads. I heavy download or of Health APPs about fifty to sixty in the past two years. But I only use one. More than once a month abridge. Download does not mean use. To any of you readers or listeners know of scientific definition for at Bueche. Okay. Let's move on to our discussion of Health Equity Remember this group asked include health equity issues in this second evaluation call. Talk a lot about health equity issues. and. Often when we I'm talking about the global, we as opposed to blow the five of us and. When I hear people talking about health equity, it's Mostly. So mostly meaning more than half the time I don't I got nothing scientific here, but people are talking about. Having. Diverse seats at the table. And that. The population of a study. Mirrors the population. Of Whatever universe the study is about and. I confess to it raises my hackles in a way because I think about patient engagement, how many times have the five of us or the larger group talked about the challenge of being the token patient At the table and how hard it is to think that people are thinking were speaking for everybody. When were smart and were connected but we're really not speaking for everybody and so when somebody says, we want to have more health equity and it's okay. Then we have a Hispanic at the table or we have a person of color at the table or we have again a token somebody and that does not smell like health equity to me but beyond that. I don't really know what it is. Meaning when I think about technology in health and I think about. Health equity is important. That people have. Accessed that all different communities have access I think it's important that. The People's varied circumstances are considered in the design of tools that are supposed to help make things easier. But. That's about as far as I've thought about it and I wanNA think about it more deeply. And we know about pain and we know about us how we met or I met you guys in this opioid pain thing and I think I should be thinking more about. Health Equity and the work that we're doing. But I don't even know the questions to ask I feel like. There's something here and I just I'm looking for some. Thoughts from you guys like how do you think about this stuff John I want to start with you I just want to tell you a really quick story. So I'm on the patient. Family. Advisory Committee at John Muir Hospital. Their. Second Hospital in concord has a little more diverse population I'm sitting on the Nurses Council there this year and Bay are taking on a special project and the project has to do with patient along. And so I'm the patient representative for this discussion about patient belongings, people bringing in guns, knives, drugs, their belongings because they're homeless, and the hospital is trying to figure out how to keep their staff saves. Their patients have some level of respect and. For. Their belongings excetera and here I am the patient on this conversation who's not homeless and doesn't have guns or knives or drugs or anything. So I think that's a good example for of. Of what health equity would be now, how are you going to have a homeless person in the room made the out seeing them the question I don't exactly know, and certainly I did my best degree out and ask patients what ours the Belongings that are worried about you go to the hospital and did my best to do some research and have good feedback. But I'm just saying I'm a poor. Person? For. EVATT. cross-checked. Bats I think just a simple example of health equity needs. That's priceless example actually. Thank you. Wow. That is really interesting. Charlene what about you? Danny, I was just going to echo. You're very same words. That is an excellent example. I'm fortunate in the fact that I have never been in those situations. So that would probably had never occurred to me that although we do have a few homeless here in my neighborhood I just walked by one this morning she hit managing it out of her wheelchair onto the lawn because it was cool and I did stop and ask her if she's going to be able to get back into her chair. And she assured me that she be able to do. But it is interesting how when you've never been exposed nor never wandered into those areas. The lack of awareness and I must admit I was shocked at myself to have never thought about the drugs particularly in Abu is being another one. We all know people taken that so. In, terms of inclusion. Or. Economic. Reasons for. All of the other reasons that we try to be inclusive. That is a very difficult question because. My. Local community is mostly Latino we do have a few. African Americans we do have a few native Americans we do have. Some Hispanic. Asian. Some Japanese. At a few but we're not really terribly I'm here in terms of those other areas and religiously also it's Vast majority are Christian whether it's Catholic or Mormon or lbs or whatever. So. I think you just have to keep working at it and increasing our own awareness just is joan has done in Lee you probably another good example of that having come into contact. is serving on several of the other family councils Danny I am with you. We're not. They're not terribly. And the cohorts in some of the studies that have been that look the abstract macari number one there is a possibility of women who are represented because most of those over it's come from the VA hospitals. Now, that's changing gradually over time. So there are more women included, but in the past it was all in. Which is what I women's health studies heart studies have been so far behind the Times because we were never included. Is So I don't know it's just very difficult. You just have to keep working at it one of the places and I use this example because it's the only one I have is that I was I reviewed a funding request once where. Where respite care was budgeted for caregivers carries. So that caregivers could participate in leadership in a research study. And I thought. Now that's inclusion. that. They put their money where their mouth was. It's one thing to have to say you want seats people to have seats at the table. It's another to understand the challenges that takes to be there. Dick, what do you think I was? You were talking about your conversation there but hospital that I worked at. And the and the broader system that I'm involved Johnson Governance for they have. Whatever they call diversity council or something like that. And that typically is made of. All Providers probably. What's in there all nurses typically, their quality improvement people are. And they're predominantly Christian a predominantly white Kanaya will but our. Bigger system is a diverse population group when I always think. And you don't have any patients on your diversity council. That's the first. Patient on their probably don't want me. But if they do, they're going to hear that just like we're talking about here Gosh I don't know what it's like debate fortunately. Poor non electric drugs. Somebody who lives In a homeless shelter night. So it let's enlarged number population by I. Get represent that very well but. What. If that's typical that does Those cultural cultural diversity councils, whatever kind of a title a on who makes those up anybody know about that? You're asking a question. All I would say right now is it really varies. He should caregiver engagement can occur in governance, that strategy and the board. Design or planning. Operations running the place and learning research and quality. Improvement. A diversity council could span all these. Diversity seems necessary but not sufficient inclusion of patients caregivers. Acute users, those are one time or preventative users or chronic frequent users, teens, single parents, elderly those with handicaps. Then, what's their authority listen? Only advise plan decide disseminate. Libby, what's your experience? We as an organization have been on. A Journey since Memorial Day weekend to. Diet, further, into equity and wet is struggling with a lot of these same questions standing for sure and I it's not that I have an answer, per se but I'll share what I've learned that thus far, and yeah, that is an end. This is in large part to do to the AMAS equity and inclusion were that we started working like this one. However, that is made up of ten members of the Penafiel Network who represent the black community. So they're leading out and when I have learned from them is to shift my thinking of it from we need to create seats at the table to win to provide the hammer the nails in the would and. Encourage other communities who are underrepresented to build the tables and invite us to them. And that's a real flip in the thinking as I have spoken with this workgroup more and more. I. Think that we get to equity. Not by just inclusion one of our core values as an organization has always been inclusion and to everyone who has intra door we've been inclusive. But equity means. More. The door right and so that's at this point. We are really adopting the value of. Create multiple doors and create doors in communities that have been understood rather than asking homeless to come to us. How can we go out? Joan, and have some conversations in peanut butter and generous. So our staff retreats last for Cohen. Way would come in and make sack lunches peanut butter. Jelly sandwiches and a piece of fruit and go and take it to the homeless in our community. Just have a conversation about. Foot it's horrible. How are you getting that cared for and what is Vince you? and. then. I think that's a very first step. What I'm learning a lot about is. The Need to build trust with underserved populations so that it's not. A trend in response to George Floyd or It's not that token. I hear a lot of pushback from my colleagues who are people of Color who are saying don't start something as it as token. To think about from correct but come to think about. If were challenging ourselves to do something completely different. It's going to be token for a while the proof will be sustaining it right and growing and nurturing it and developing. I. Think when I started this journey out of. Diversity inclusion equity same something all wraps up together but now seen each as it complements and supports other. My friend and colleague Jan. Oldenburg turned me onto an article and health affairs entitled. A new standard for publishing on racial. Health inequities. Trust and inequities and institutional racism bind together to impact chronic pain management and all hell for that matter. We often think of inequities in terms of genetics race ethnicity. But that puts it on the individual and avoids questioning Institutional Racism Sexism ageism whatever power imbalances. What's interesting? I have a dear friend who has sickle cell. and. She and I became close a number of years ago. And over chronic illness challenges and then she moved away and. Be got pregnant and was living in a strange community and trying to deal with. Pain management in a hostile environment. and. First of all, it still wasn't about technology. That's for damn sure I could be helpful and supportive to her but it was more. I learned way more. Than I offered in terms of. The experience. So I'm appreciating what you're saying about the Hammer, the nails in the would and. Being present. For a few moments in somebody else's life. And trying to learn The circumstances, the challenges. And then asks the questions. Or listen for the questions, they're asking. And then thinking about what are the tools. So here I'm thinking about this is a pain management APP is how this all this conversation. Started and It's that's. We're. Not GonNA learn that with a bunch of clinical decision. Support Techno geeks sitting around the table. You know that's just not that doesn't want value and I also I am also thinking about power I would love to hear your thoughts. In terms of. It's not a finite entity that I have and I give to somebody else I. Don't think it is I think when we have equity everybody has power over their own health over their own trajectory. I don't know that one replaces another and I think that's an important piece to hold onto I'm not saying I'm holding my space I will give up my have given up my seat at given up our budget I've given up all because I believe strongly. The move right now? That's important. But. I think over the long haul I just don't think of power as a finite thing that I can impart on somebody else. That's pretty high. Isn't. So yes, I ended arresting. I concur on you really cannot our another person that power has to come within that person. Unfortunately, some people have more a reserve and are able to draw on our but I concur it's a two way street are electronics electro magnetic waves, go both directions. I do think that you can change the circumstances around people. To help raise empowerment and and resilience and do. Yes. Sir Can't really give it to them. You can make it available. Joan I see a question or a comment on your face is right. Past Poker. I. Think this is such an interesting conversation and so just I. Dan thanks for allowing us to habit. I heard a story that a woman. With hospitals closing in rural areas that. I heard a story of women interviewed on I. Think it was sixty minutes and her husband had died because they couldn't the hospital west now over two hundred miles away and they couldn't get there and there had been a hospital nearby. To me that was health equity and then the other thing I heard about rural is. The need for therapy for people for teenagers who are struggling and maybe have addiction issues need serious therapy and help and doing that by telehealth. Is there a way that we can help them? So I feel like there's so many like examples that I heard. But like to your point Danny, which I think is so interesting is how do we pull it all together? Like how do we talk about it at a we help as patients. So I really like what Libby said I, think that's probably face that you were reading was appreciating her saying that it's giving them the tools and leading them lead the way I think up until she said that I was still thinking we had to help them. Word, about, our sponsor abridge. US A Bridge to record your doctor visit, push the big pink button and record the conversation. Read the transcript or listen to clips when you get home. Check out the APP at. A BRIDGE DOT COM. Ab R.. G. E. DOT COM or download it on the apple APP store or Google play store. Record your healthcare conversations. Let me know how it went. When something is really hard for me to get my head around. I tend to revert to. What are the questions I need to ask? Because I'm a nurse and I'm a nurse's problem solver and Mama, do it figure it out? Okay. You got this problem. What are we gonNA do about Blah Blah Blah, but that's not always the most has its place, but it's not always the most helpful and this is one of those situations that I feel like I need to figure out. When I'm in a venue that may not be as friendly as this one. where I feel like I can just. Try. Stuff out for size and we'll just have an exchange but I feel like what? What I need is like some questions to ask when questions like how can. something. That would. Maybe shift the conversation or. Direct. The conversation. So I think about that with these people who are developing dis-, paint APP and. Or whatever it is like, what are the questions? I feel. I can't just say it's not sufficient to say what about health equity? Like that is just mad a helpful question. This is my last question is. So what are questions? that. We can ask when more in a setting were were when advisor. And To. Stimulate a helpful. Conversation. Shift in thinking libby is been talking about. I guess when thing that comes to mind specifically related to the health APP is who is going to be using it and what they need to be able to use it effectively. Okay. I think to and Danny I totally An action oriented to, and so I wanted to jump in and solve and it's been a remarkable lesson in self restraint slowdown and relies a my husband dropped me off forward today he said so working on a day said we. opioids equity, and then Kobe Nicos yet your blocked. Like why do I think I have any solutions to the you have to commit to the process on this one and it's not clean and it's not easy. I Love Jones questions I would ask. Who could benefit most from this technology like who is marginalized right now, that could benefit most from this technology that were moving through. And then that might lead to. Jones question of what do they need? What do they need to be able to access? It doe meaning like and one of the examples not closing down hospitals as a business decision and thinking about accessed or is there broadband so that these things could be used that kind of thing. Yep. Should we be partnering with Institute for Technique? WHAT IS IT technology access? Genesis has been talking about. But yeah, should we be partnering with this group or should we be partnering with community based organizations that support underserved populations to to make sure we know it's so clear to me now that it's the same thing as designing a hospital flow policy without asking the patient like you're GonNa. Miss you're going to design something. Works. For the organization it's but the the risk of. Your patients need is really high. This is the same thing. HOW DID WE ASSUME WE We would know what was needed for some of these communities. Without asking that or you hear meeting people where they are, we try that. But to do that, you have to go into your community establishment trusting relationships and work together. I don't ask. Questions. Dick. What do you think? I'm just. Different. This conversation we're having today would be. A. Year ago from today or a year from now from today to. That, this did. As adjusted, go to. Go to a community meeting and talk about. Who has community meetings anymore were starting media's groups, hospitals and provider groups everyone interested in their bottom line right now, trying to keep open where where the patients coming from what based on gotta get and take care of the. Pandemic. This owned a lot of. Things with the motion that. Is. An easily solved besides taking care of patients and. Patients well in public health concerns and stuff that I don't know how much how can be hard to get equity on the front burner I prayed Danny. Okay I hate that. But no that's okay. Oh Hey. It's. Sounds Real. It is it absolutely is and I keep thinking, but it's a public health crisis shouldn't be that either time that we're talking about the book and you're right. You're absolutely right. It's very hard to hire your ties equity at the same time I feel like it's a solution in a lot of ways do. All right two things. Any last words of wisdom? With all of this conversation, and of course, with my bias I really feel that there is going to be a lot more technology involved and I don't quite understand. Your locally, we do have a lot of mid because, of course, propose to Stanford and the Community Hospital in Monterey. are, Male, which MS is essential wealthy community with it. It's really not is a lot of money there but they go. It's I think a lot more technology involved in I. Think one wage reach some homeless and the people who are displaced and not duly representative in finding out what they need is to simply. Take a laptop and go out NASCA and. Unfortunately there's going to be a certain number of the population who won't really trust that technology and you'd have to build some trust is as libby has niche. But at least that would be a start and you could find out if in fact, those people who are desperate need who need emergency help. There it is. You can take back in find out somebody can go and help them somehow someway in Bill Horton ship with emergency area offices we have urgent care here but of course, it's not mobile you have to go into them and it would be nice if there were people like you Danny. Nursing with are able to take their skills out into the field my sister had lot I had done that, and of course, visiting nurses is another organization that does go out into the homes and here is some patients. And I don't know if they go to a homeless shelter or not I'm sure they probably do. But when you stop to think about it, there's lots of opportunity is just getting it down to someplace where it's manageable and also something that can be an ongoing not. A FLASH IN THE PAN speak? Something that sustainable Thank you charlene that was so well said, I just want to add to as I think about it. It reminds me of one of many things I've learned from black lives matter is that Really. The place that I can help is in my own community don't go and Merchant Oakland but stay in my in figure out what needs to be done there and help do that and I wonder if health equity is somewhat similar in that, you can't lump homelessness and poverty and rural and Oliva different issues prejudice everything that. We're talking about together but rather you have to go to each community and figure out what they need and really address those individual needs in that community which I think showing you probably set a lot better than I just said, it just made me think that community based approaches. So critical thank you. All. Right. Guys. Thank you so much. This was very valuable for me. Okay we did it. Pain management, medical choices, technology, and health equity, and one conversation. Sifting sand through the screen I hear confirmation that people do not commonly use paint APPS for pain management. Perhaps, we haven't found the function most needed yet. I hear that these patient family advisors deeply consider the challenge of health equity. They're aware of their privilege unlimited perspective. They're attracted to impact health equity in the communities they know and share the skills learned with communities they don't know. Chronic pain is universal health equity is complicated. 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In memory of George Floyd and Breanna Taylor  Ep 68

Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast

1:35:35 hr | 4 months ago

In memory of George Floyd and Breanna Taylor Ep 68

"Look the fortress on a hill I'm Henry. I'm Danny I'm Kagan. We're we leftist veterans that into the reality of the US military's multiple wars abroad and illuminate the damage. Military service does America American presidents out US history. You have used American, military and diplomatic power to force regime change democratically elected governments around the world. Most veterans come from families vested in Prior Service and American generals choose their own ensuring diversity of thought never interferes with American warmongering. How can we stand by and do nothing while our military kill and destroy lives, the world over while telling Americans that the death and destruction protect them from terrorists when nothing could be more all. Fortress on a hill aims to change that. I just want to say one more thing about. Henry I appreciate the fact that you. That you call the factor Danny and going. I. I want to say we shouldn't feel bad about people. That can't physically be there like there's a lot of reasons why people can't physically be there, and that's fine. You know it's just. Like the the people who want to support then donate money to bail funds. Donate money to the ACL. You donate money to you know the people that are the groups that are organizing the events like there's plenty of ways for people to get involved without actually physically game now. I appreciate that brother. Thank you and and you're right. It's that that. Even if you can't march, even if you can't you know, be on social media a whole bunch. There are steps that people can take and please take them please Find, an organization that supports black lives matter that supports the fight against police, brutality and talk to people there donate money to that. It's it's you know that there were finally starting to see the cracks in the system here a little bit. Like said this. This is a moment to keep fighting and keep pushing so. I had one thought that I wanted to cover real quick, and it had to do with a little bit. What you're saying Danny about. that. There's a there's certainly a strong. Always has been a strong presence on the right in terms of supporting police brutality, calling and other things, but it's important that we call out the the weakness, the apathy of ordinary mainstream liberals. I found this morning and note I added just before we started that there was a leak two thousand fifteen memo written by senior house. Democrats, who adviser Party members not to show public supports for black lives matter. This was in two thousand fifteen during Barack, Obama's time in office. Why was it that? The first black man office really did nothing. For? Black Americans especially regarding police brutality, so we have to look in two directions one. We have by violent people who believe. Protesting to be put down on the other side we have. Hapless politicians who have no issue or have no compunction about not sticking their neck out for the people they actually represent. Sorry A. Now, that's that's that's an Gordon. Point. Mean Malcolm X. talked about. The threat of white liberals. You know There are many whites according to me. There are many whites who are trying to solve the problem, but you know but you never see them going onto the label of liberals in other words. You know he sees them as dangerous and that the true like A. Allied whites heights you know, go beyond alight Liberal, Democratic Party politics and You know he said the white liberal differs from the white conservative. In one way, the liberal is more deceitful and hypocritical than conservatives both want power, but the white liberal has perfected the art of posing as what he called the Negroes friend and benefactor. and using the sort of political pawns. He called him a political football. You know and the white liberals control the ball through tricks, tokenism and false promises of immigration. You mentioned Obama, and obviously he would be preferable to trump when it comes to de escalating the situation may be even attempting to unify America well. Let's not forget that like. You Know Obama's response to garner and like race relations and police. Brutality in the cities was largely. Rhetorical, and then like having a beer session between like the black professor who had the cops bald on or whatever I mean? It was just so like such as the near like politeness, rather than tangible action, and of course he would argue, and so it is like. favorites defenders on pod Save America. You know whatever whoever won just loves, but like they would defend them and say well, you don't understand. The politic straight was under. We could alienate white America with the first black president, and there's always like there's always like ethical hedges and abuses and justifications who mob with, but Yeah, no, I think you bring up an important point so What are your thoughts on the General actual militarization of the conflicts, and the crisis through the guard, and and some of the other stuff we've seen. I. It seems we too Too much of a reflexive action. On the part of US TO FOR CERTAIN GOVERNORS TO BE WILLING FOR THEIR National Guard troops to go where the requested there have I can't think of the state's top of my head right now, but there have been a few states that did declined to send troops to Washington DC with the vast majority of them did including states that surround DC. Maryland West Virginia a couple of other places What. Process. Exists in any state government to discuss how it's national. Guard is being used. The governor like we what we've seen with what's happened with Corona virus is that the governor gets sometimes gets added into the actual chain of command, because the governor commands it's Nationalguard, and so like the point I made earlier about the DC National Guard. There seems to be wise. The DC National Guard not just considered active duty I mean. Not Active duty in in the time time they work with federal is why aren't they are always federalized troops? If the president is snap his fingers and say these troops are going to be here in DC. It's not a military operation. There's no you know I mean they did? Trump might call out enemies, but legally speaking. They can't do that kind of stuff. So why is it? Is it such a push the button response and I know the answer is just that we like I talked about what fortress Washington DC earlier that when somebody pushes the panic button as trump likes to, whether whether it's necessary or not that other states other governors, other leaders respond and they they want to help, but in this particular instance and again I I I haven't seen any video of national guard, guys or military guys really getting into it with protesters there probably just because of their large numbers, and how bad the last week last ten days have been in terms of the kind of violence. They've been causing. I do think it's important. We talk about what happened in Lafayette Park and about seeing the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In his battle duty uniform. Walking with law, enforcement and other professionals because and please chime in on this anywhere. The Chairman of Joint Staff is the senior military advisor the president they do not exist in the chain of command so when all this. Stuff started. Trump immediately said he wanted general milley to be in charge of the response. He wanted him to take over. Obvious. Militarism push for trump, but the problem is is that millie is not part of the actual military chain of command right now. However, that didn't fucking stop him from going within this part to being out in his you know, and the comments that he's made along with Esperance comments about the battles, uh-huh need battlespace, which is just a misnomer for area where we're GONNA go try. Try to kill people, but that's you know that that if everything's a looks like a nail, you're going to use your hammer and that's exactly what what's happening with all this. Of course. After the horrible treatment of the peaceful processors in Lafayette Park, both of them immediately back spend away from all of this, not taking any responsibility for their part except say they won't go testify. To. The House armed. Services Committee about their role in that violence. Totally happy to do it, but they won't talk about it in in a in A. Congressional hearing atmosphere to let the American people actually get some information about what actually happened. So. We're seeing. Huge amounts of military power of of military. Foot power, footsoldiers, and demonstrations shows of force Danny, you know how much the army fucking loves that ratio show force. Those guys standing on the Lincoln Memorial. You know this whole. You know you almost. That's fortress Washington when I say that I think that image and that's the reality. That's how it was when I was there. I lived there for five months in two thousand three, I literally worked at the Pentagon, and check ID's and I was very much part of that law enforcement apparatus that was there in DC, and it's terrifying to think about now. But I'm uplift to the here that most of the National Guard troops in the DC area are going back to their states I need to do a little more digging on that as I want to confirm outside the mainstream media. But yeah, I'm I'm bored. I'm bored with the leadership choices with calling her that the threat of activity troops from the president when it hadn't even been that long and the threat to send the American military to violate their state sovereignty and their choices to deal with the protesters into the way that they see fit. I'm not saying they should use violence or not, but I am saying that state versus Federal Authority should have a solid wall between it. I. Think that's it. I'm so glad you brought up mattis and asper. Who should both immediately resigned? Not only. Omit Milly. I'm sorry, Mattis. He should've resigned over Yemen budding we he, didn't he? You know he resigns a because you know. Trump even hinted at pulling out of Afghanistan and Syria but I digress from Saint Madison's character anyway. I am glad that he spoke out by the way. Millie Espersen meteors. ASPER simply because I, hate him now. It's getting that that I do. But because of his looked the language, as Christopher Hitchens said right looked at the language, he used the term battlespace to describe and dominating the battlespace. He used these military buzzwords that we all know because that's the language of the institution. He runs, and that he was sort of raised in before he became a lobbyist. For, the street on the corporate side so when you go to the military. Don't be surprised, right? When that's the way they talk, and the way they think and and it was utterly inappropriate. He should every really been involved with conversation. In the first place, he ought to still resigned for while really a million reasons, conflicts of interest rates on being one of them. Milly should resign because. Allowing himself. To. Walk. The grounds law enforcement. and become what I would consider literal fuel on the fire I mean a walking accelerate for a raging arson job. That was a government. Not a protest are said Really just it calls so much into question about his character and morals that I couldn't hear. Look that guy in the I I already didn't like him but I mean it's insane. What he let himself become a to love, and I don't accept his apology and I don't accept his pivot needs to go. He was promoted beyond his level of competence. He is a walking Peter Principle, and he doesn't he trump doesn't understand statute law. WHICH MAKES HIM INCOMPETENT TO BE PRESIDENT? But we? We already knew that. But milliard no better. He oughta know and advice which is primary role under the goldwater-nichols Pentagon Act of nineteen, eighty six that as chairman joint chiefs, he not not only does not have a physician in the chain of command and control actually commands nothing, but his role is to provide sound military and in some sense, constitutional vice, the president, and he should have known like. Listen putting me out on the street, or even saying publicly lead the responses like utterly inappropriate, and if you continue to do it, I'm going to have to resign. He's a company man. He's a company man. He's a mid level manager. Mass rating strategic leader, and that's what we usually get at the top as those folks, we promote our company. Not Principled man, so this was really really dangerous You mentioned fortress see. What we're seeing exposed on rather. Tangential, but I think also important level. Is that like DC is a federal military occupied states have begin with I mean the nature of the way. It's organized in our Constitution with like taxation without representation and stuff. You were seeing a lot of that exposed mean DC is is kind of a federal mandate and is very unquestionable where it fits into our supposed federalist system. Right so DC's always been problematic, and it's no. It's no accident bath where we saw a lot of this nonsense of the most of militarization on behalf of the federal government and the yeah, my final point on this is. Trump bashing is so easy. That it's lost a lot of its fun for me but also it's lost a lot of its value. Jimmy door talks about how it's beating on the you know the village idiot. But there are moments when leadership, even executive leadership is vital and. Trump's on fitness from a character and competence perspective is on display perhaps more than it's ever been as if we needed more evidence You guys no, even as NCO's. We were always told and obsers to of course to be careful what you say around your soldiers, because you're setting an example and a precedent whether you means who were not just by dint of your sort of rank and position, however modest and. This is the leader of the federal government and the commander in chief of the Armed Forces, and he has proved to be nothing less than again a catalyst for violence, a side taker, the wrong side, an escalator of violence through his leadership by Tweet, which is sort of a wonderful hybrid of the Orwellian and Huxley nothing else dystopia that we're living in. what I think. I'll finish on is that. Something that I think the generals have and we'll talk about the next, but something I think the generals have. The retired generals have pointed out correctly, even though I'm a little bit skeptical, the Messenger is the. Trump is. Reflexively militaristic can heavy handed and doesn't understand again statute law. In the sense that he has set such a low threshold for what constitutes and insurrection under the insurrection, active, eighteen seven. which is what he would. Presumably used to pull out potentially active duty troops, which he reportedly seriously considered a number of occasions and offered publicly A. That was written. Vaguely you know on purpose. But most presidents have shown some sort of caution. RIGHT WITH A and. He has set the fresh old so low for what constitution actual insurrection that it's obscene, just as a point of historical comparison, and not what aboutism but genuine historical comparison more folks more people including a at least one police officer were killed. In four days of rioting in Newark in nineteen sixty seven one city, one riot four days then have died in the national protests for two weeks now. If this constitutes sentenced direction than anything. Constitutes in its direction and the precedent that's set is one of a genuine. Paramilitary or actual military police state, so you know final thing so that already but trump. Is, informed and motivated. It seems clear primarily by his. Deep. Masculine insecurity and those Masculine Patriarch go whatever you want to call them. Insecurities at the root of his character informed his tough guy posture throughout his life, and when all that meant was, and it was still bad, but when when all that met was that a billionaire had enough money to buy out entire page in the New York Times in the late eighties to call for the execution immediately without trial essentially of the. The innocent Central Park Five. Then you could almost say well. It's just a private citizen doing. But when he's president of the United States and ostensible leader of the free world we truly are in a truly dangerous Orwellian and fascist moment, and I've I've withheld the F. Word until now, but but I think that were there, and that's my general thoughts on the military earning altman and trump's leadership role. I like that you brought up Madison's sort of statement I feel like we'd be remiss if we didn't mention it and talk about it a little bit just because. You know for a lot of my family. That was like acquaintances who were. Trump support our tre supporting trump. They were you know really in some? In the beginning, they bought into his whole warrior monks. frigging persona that he portrayed stuff, but I think like my favorite part of the. Of the statement is where says Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime does not try to unite American people. He does not even pretend to try instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of years without mature leadership. We can unite without him drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, but as fast as shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens to pass generations that bled to defend our promise to our children. We can come through this trying time stronger within a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. And I mean yeah, that's a nice probably language will like that first part where he's talking about Donald Trump that is some serious line drawing and I am really interested to see how a lot of trump supporters who were big fans of madness like how they try to wrap their heads around and try to control this. Like inches whatever it is that what they think it is, so what I think. It's great that he he felt like. Now is the time to make statement. And so I I mean. Whether or not that does anything we is remains to be seen, but it is nice to say that he actually. Knew. He felt like he needed to say something. I think it's important. And now we're dipping in sort of okay, it's good. We're kinds of against our last. Go round on the military descent and part of that most of the most I think the most important barnes is the rank and file descent, which will get, but from the generals using Madison instructive example I think it is remarkable the united front. That at least anti-trumps dangerous to make trump at the you know the remarkable united front of the retired generals, even guys like Dempsey, who spoke down past and said you know you shouldn't speak out as a retired general. Even he thought he had to so everybody even Colin Powell. WHO's like the perennial late covered the game have jumped in but yeah, we have to cost Take caution, take heed before we canonize sanctify. These folks Madison's problematic. On a number of levels He's right about what he wrote in some ways much of what he wrote. If it had a different author, I would've just reflexively agreed with I think he's overestimating trump's Unique Nature I think trump is unique and is uniquely bad butts. He's not the first guy to not try to unite us. Yeah. We can't focus on Justin without seeing the the system that gave us him. Absolutely look when Mattis this sudden. Peaceful this this new piece nick that they're making them out to be when Matt said that it's a hell of a lot of fun to kill. People publicly said that was quoted saying that George W Bush was president in two thousand five and I'm sorry, but if we are going to forgive the sense of Bush and act like he was not a divider in chief himself, whether it was Katrina, or the war in Iraq, and calling all democrats essentially like reckon because they were against. Against that war, which was of course built on lies like divy group were remiss I mean Reagan did the same thing central, America, and on almost every issue and early eighties, when he declared the first war on terror in Nineteen eighty-one, right exactly thirty years before the twenty years for a second one, so yeah I mean Madison, which is troubling figure My final point on him is like you know my favorite movie. Of course as everyone has heard is good. Will hunting has been since. The and I remember. There's this great line in the beginning when he's kind of sparring intellectually with Robin Williams brilliant scene when he first goes into his office therapist and he says. He's looking at all his books on the shelves right, and he's judging them and I do the same thing because Gazon and arrogant wannabe intellectual end. He says I fucking. People Baffling, says Surround yourself with these books are all the wrong books all the wrong fucking books. and. My point is that Mattis has in some ways self-cultivated, but it's really a creation, this image of the warrior monk. We always hear about how he's never been married how he doesn't sleep how he reads so extensively, and he has this library of thousands of books, and that all sounds great 'cause I'm the library vows winds of myself, but I would submit a I. Haven't seen as full I rely obscene as reading lists as recommended reading, and by and large is reading the wrong books. Okay, so just calling yourself a reader or actual doesn't mean that. You're actually going to understand what's really going on. Because she has misdiagnosed. The system forever and I will say this I think that while I agree with much of what the general said on. Glad they did speak out because I think we all have to use our platform. In a positive way when we can let's not forget that they were latecomers to the Games be. They're not particularly vocal on any of the systemic stuff. They're more focused on trump's individual discrete actions and see I can guarantee you that I can almost guarantee that none of these guys around on the streets in any real solidarity morph. Anyone wants say that's because they're too old I'll points man in Buffalo Gavino who was seventy five years old and shoved and bled from the head by showing solidarity. In Buffalo so. Let's just be careful about the canonization. Let's not look to the top for solutions. Let's not look to the military. Even even you and I and n rake for the solutions. Let's let's let's go to the grass roots, and remember that no major change for justice or rights, liberty, civil or civil were ever given. There were always taken, and that doesn't necessarily mean. Mean violence it can be gone the esque way, but it was always taken and the plight liberals or the government structure has only responded when they felt, they had no other choice, and they were under massive pressure from the streets, so to speak, so yeah, we got to be careful about the about about these generals. Take what they say some caution I think. Land I mean the people. You, look at any. Revolution rebellion. You know when they're successful. Is that moment when the the instruments of power of force turn with them? Like in the Philippines before deter and everything, but when they had. It's it was that moment when the police and the military are like we're not gonNA fire on the Scott on these protesters, and they then joined with them, and that's always that's always the moment that's the turning point is when the people who are used as instruments of force by the state. Become part of the solution. And and I think like yeah like you said it's going to take those every every one of those people who are activated to come to that realization of wait a minute like what the hell am I doing? That was the thesis of my columns morning on antiwar dot com, which called alone and unafraid, but you know struck through on their alone and afraid, and it's about the security elites and how? You know like I said in the article in Kansas City and every other city we sort of like fuck ourselves up as protesters out there by you know pronouncing over and over again vocally, we are many. They are few right. And and it and it's you know by the strictly. It's true, but. the lead the oligarchs, the security officials in history. They have always counted on the foot. Soldiers in in that goes from security guards up to Delta force a running that gamut to do their bidding. And the moment the reason they're so scared. Of Resistance Historically, and that's why it's been whitewashed from the tail end of the Vietnam history. The pivotal role played is because. Their biggest fear is that will just become, actually feel and not able to count on this foot soldiers, and so I ended up article today by talking about the flat. What's what's been laid? Bullets actually titled The Flower Power Picture. But. It was repeated. The thousands of times even just in the Vietnam protests where. The peaceful protests are often a woman, but not always takes like a daisy, and walks right up to the national guard with their bayonets, gleaming in the sun, and and puts the the daisy in the in the barrel in the national. Guards to not to shoot. Even though maybe they've said you're not supposed to come that close to them, and so in that moment that symbolic moment when the when the the foot soldiers of sturdy state refuse. In some small way than the veneer power shrinks oil, and I think the last thing on, say about this is as important. That's why in the article with it is. The fate of photographer famous looked that one picture. That's just gone viral for half a century. He remembered and said later that he noticed that the National Guardsmen pictured in the photo was shaking trembling. because they knew. What should I do here? Should I shoot I? Don't WANNA shoot. They were scared of this little woman. You know who still live in a spoken about it, and and I think the people that they protect today. from trump all through the military state, the warfare state are are themselves trembling even more than those national guardsmen needs that mind. That's what makes military descend and police sent and so very very valuable. Have Been. been really uplifted Danny to hear the number of A. Different people that have been reaching out to you and also the number of people that have been reaching out to other places like the. Gi Rights, hotline, and the Center on consciousness and war. Asking about the coming of conscientious objector, or or if not, at least understanding what their rights are in terms of resisting this in in one way or another, and I think that that's a I think that's a really great sign for what this portends is, as it continues to grow, is that if so many people who are currently in uniform are having issue with this then there are others who are having the same issue in art speaking out, they just think to themselves because the military's insular in that way. So, yeah I've I've been so uplifted watching the the. people going to protest, but especially are anti war. Veteran brothers and sisters helping people organize keeping US checking on each other when when people go out to. Go on protests. Make sure everybody got home safe. You know, ask questions about what you should do in this situation or that situation that actually reminds me Kagan. If you if you, if you happen to be out and get arrested, call me man. I'll I'll do whatever I can i. don't know exactly what that'll be at this moment. I do the same for you. Danny but you're in Kansas City so. I I I could pay the money I guess. Don't worry. You won't have to bail me out because I have a feeling that I'll be a quote. trying to escape that'll be. A rare level of self importance I just exposed but I I do funny I I still like it. Such such a fucking outside agitator. Still. Wait on my Soros money on my and my motivational call from Futon. Having got it either. But I think that's about all I have to say for this I I am both excited and terrified to see what it what it leads to next, but. I. Said I think this portends to the time of real change, and I hope that that it does turn into that. Let me just let me jump in on some things that you mentioned just provide some. Some flesh some McDougal flesh to these important points. You brought up About face which has really kind of like joined with other major fancy war veteran organizations like veterans piece, but not only them in a in a real show of solidarity. has put out this open letter. Stand down for black lives as of. Two days ago. We're recording right now on June, nights as of June seventh or eight hundred and eighty one veterans who had put their names publicly, and that's important because your name shows up on the letter when anyone else clicks on it, eight hundred eighty want people signed it. That's a lot. Because it is you know it is scary. Support your name. Is there forever right someone? Take a screen shot of it even if they delete it and it's risky. On a anecdotal, but also be constructive level, which is clearly favorite words I've had I gotta count because I'm going to put it in article soon, but it's over seventy. Active duty active duty. Military members have reached out smitty personally in that end nine days or so. That's about as many as reached out to me in the last two years, because I have gotten these notes about Ethical Quandary and folks doubting the wars and thinking about resigning and all these different things and ask for advice, which again I try not to give because their risk, but but you try to talk to them. Talk about options. Give Solidarity, so my point is that I'm inundated with calls, and on like a nobody and here I am getting. Over seventy folks who resents me now, probably half a dozen, or or or so of them are former students. Who Obviously won't name? They're active-duty lieutenants. Some in combat arms, most incumbent arms some deployed. Who are massive massive identity crises about not only? Their unwillingness or just comfort in suppressing their own people here at home, but also A. General and seeing them as a very like interconnected thing so. I think the, and and so the other sixty five folks are strangers. who just got my email and I've never seen anything like that obviously in my. Twenty odd years next military now almost this profound. The rumblings are real. The unity of the general speaking out I mean we're seeing something close to a military least moral revolt and and I. Don't pretend to know how this ends either, but it's going to be really interesting to see, and it certainly has not happened since the early nineteen seventies. And the fact that is happening with a volunteer military which operates largely out of like an economic drafts. We bonuses hang off colleges poor economy. is even more remarkable because the the draft was gotten rid of the Volunteer Force Forms Actually Nixon in a very cynical way in order to eliminate veteran descent in order to eliminate the protest movement of civilians because they would do about getting drafted and in order to. Tamp down on some of the rumblings that were happening within the military itself, because they were like in the early seventies, thriving more these cafes and underground newspapers, and there were entire platoons, refusing patrol, and then five hundred and fifty one cases just between Nineteen seventy-one, they started counting and nineteen seventy-two, actually only halfway through nineteen seventy. Five hundred fifty one times, soldiers, roles, grenades, or in other words. SCHRAFFT's was the phrase officers. NCO's causing. I think eighty six. It was eight successive In order and I don't support murder, but in order to avoid that in the future. They came up with this volunteer military so eight hundred eighty one signature so far it's probably close to a thousand now is pretty remarkable. In the last thing I'll say is about-face has a nominative and asked me to serve as one of their kind of lead spokesman on this campaign. And the and there are a lot of other folks as or more qualified. Do that particularly folks of color. In the organization and I'll just say that. I was flattered and humbled by their choice to ask me I think that it demonstrates some faith in me, but more so the idea that we wanna try to reach out to folks who might not otherwise agree with us, sometimes relatively clean cut spokesperson. Might seem like it's acts to achieve that, but I will say that regardless of whether that was any of the motivation on things that stands out about face until largest veterans pieces, especially, the younger generation of veterans space is the intersectional nature of what we do, and it's about solidarity is about what the assassinated archbishop in front of the poor and El, Salvador Oscar Romero who's recently been sainted by Pope Francis. What he called accompaniment, which is really just a willingness to stand beside, not necessarily try to lead, but try to be a good shepherd, and also will shepherds a bad word. That's kind of like leading try to be supporter of. The marginalized and about facists on that repeatedly, and we're seeing it now, and it's. Why are my veterans gear out on the street? Because what I'm saying is no, I don't I'm not trying to make this into antiwar protests, but what I am trying to do is draw connections between what these people are seeing on the ground, and what I've seen overseas, but also to show that. That those of us who are involved in other seemingly discreet, but not actually movements like antiwar are here for you? We're with you. We're not leading you on not the White Messiah out there I actually try to step step back as much as possible as I think we ought to in this moment and reflect on our own blind spots as as white man but. You know. Accompaniment and solidarity is important and about-face was standing rock like let's not forget that about face and this new young post nine eleven anti war veteran movement has been intersectional from the I. It's inspiring. It's scares. The powers that be and I will end my point here by saying. Something is afoot, folks. Within our military ranks something profound. There's a foot. I don't know where it ends, but I am hopeful about this moment, and the solidarity has shown, and and it does. Go beyond just the lefties you know it goes beyond those of us who read Trotsky and it goes to the Libertarians in movements like bring our troops home, who we don't agree about a lot of things we may not even agree everything about the protest, but. You know there is a wide range of veterans who are skeptical of the warfare state, and they They geographically span from the mountain West where that Libertarian Organization bring our troops. Home is kind of situated all the way to. The more far left organizations and I think we probably fall on the left side, so the point is, this is a broad movement geographically physically Ansari, really in a certain sense and. I'm just proud to be the smallest part of it, and I think the Pod, and and those industries are doing our best to contribute. Yeah, that's my last thought on military. It's it's incredible. It's it's it's I'm so proud! I'm just so I'm literally I was sometimes. I WanNa cry when I read stuff like post by Britney our stuff from about-face. It's great stuff and I'm glad that you brought up the Light Mezzo so cool I'm so happy for you, dude. That's really great. I feel like the three of us are. Sis Straight White Dude's. And so we? I think we do a good job of acknowledging privilege. and. There's always more to learn. There's always more to. Acknowledge and I like my hope for humanity that we just get into that space of especially white people like we just get into that space of wanting to learn and then being uncomfortable like with with some of the things that we may hold. And it's not. Like. It's I. Think it's it's wrong. If you learn about something and then are willing, it willfully ignorant afterwards if you are willing to just say Oh. This is a problem, but. It's not it doesn't affect me or I'm not personally involved in this. So, what does it matter like that's? That's the attitude that apathetic attitude that needs to change. And and I feel like we. We try our best here. You know because we have this platform. Being veterans know we try our best to like. Speak out and I know. We talk about this all the time. I know that we really want to have a person of color on our pod. Just because it would be nice to have a different perspective, so if there's anybody out there that wants to be like. Any female any people of Color. Anybody wants to be a part of our pod like please don't hesitate to reach out to us to ask like. We want to hear other people's voices. So. Yeah I think Henry. Do you have anything before we close out? No, no, no I, think I'm I think I'm good? Well let me just you know. Be the. insufferable and for us, Leo Year just kind of close out by saying. You know to quote the Great East Coast Rapper and by the way rap was better before folks I'm sorry it stopped bits, not mattering in the late ninety S, and I'm just directly cracked about that To quote gnaws one love to our brothers and sisters who are out there in antiwar movement, and then also in the non veteran community and. In about-face those of us who were like paticularly active daily are checking in as you mentioned enery every day on our threads, and just showing support and a lot of folks are struggling. With the. kind of flashback PTSD aspect. You know when you get. Tear gassed by your own government and you're walking around Kansas City or Washington. DC or Baltimore candidate will say to harm. Baltimore looks like Baghdad it. It's bringing up. People are sacrificing a lot of our brothers and sisters out there in the antiwar movement who are showing solidarity are really sacrificing of because it's very difficult. It brings up a lot of bad memories to be back in a war zone, and that's what it felt like especially. Especially, the first weekends and I just want to say that we really do generally love you. Guys if you take nothing else out of this just like take care of each other check on each other and be kinds like it's the simplest thing in the world like I tell my kids that don't care. If you agree with me on, everything would love you. It'd be a little like you know neo Marxist but. Take care of one another and be kinds. It's the simplest thing where you grounded in religion and the New Testament or secular sainthood, just behind one another man. These are tough times. We gotTa Watch out and I'm just so proud of everybody it's it's amazing. Thank you. Thanks guys. The guys and I love doing the podcast. Being able to share our experiences in the military with allies and supporters means the world to us. We can't do all the work we need you. 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So ashamed of the professional law enforcement. You know I, I. Learned and understood about police brutality and the many layers of it I. There was a layer there for me because. I. I would have resigned resigned years ago. Over events like this. And I don't know how anyone who has a mindset of and I'm just GONNA use the LAPD slogan here, but it is. What people need to focus on his protect and serve police officers are supposed to do a service to the community. using brutal violence on protesters, mostly peaceful protesters does not fill that mission In fact, the the the the one moment that struck me the most since this all began was the The, violent assault of an elderly protestor in Buffalo. that he was just knocked flat on his ass and you could see. He was bleeding from the ear. And I wish I could say that the what happened next after the other officers pass them I wish I could say this next thing gave me a little bit of hope, but it's just kind of how they're trained. The first individuals to stop and render aid to this gentleman. I apologize don't remember what his name was. At the moment I know he was a. he's a prominent antiwar activist and was involved with the Kings Plowshare seven group. the first people to stop and help him and attempt to ascertain if he's okay or soldiers. I assumed to National Guard I. Don't know if they're medics I. don't know if they're MP's I. Don't really know, but they did. One of them took a knee next to him as the Camera Pan Away and tried to help him and. Those are the kind of things I'm talking about so so how how anyone can remain a part of? A law enforcement organization right now is beyond me, Yeah I'm I'm just I'm just I am and I. I think to myself about the life that I would've would've probably lead. Had My health not gotten really bad? which was the life of an agent? Three letter agency somewhere But anyway I think I think about covered it for this an. ME. Right, so yeah, the first thing we're doing here is just kind of. Responding I think to all this happens from our three perspectives, and also those that we've kind of been around and. Diagnosing this moment is almost impossible, but responding to it I, think is. Vital and you know Henry, you mentioned what I thought was just a terribly indecent decent moment where the seventy five girl man buffalo was shoved to the ground and. I think that the the piece you mentioned how they walk right by him. And and the moment in the video that most struck me in a personal way was when immediately one of the officers did slowdown who look and appeared to want to render aid and his buddy or maybe superior i. don't know grabs him and pulls him away. And I just thought that that was like the ultimate moment of indecency, an explanation of the group think and the price of loyalty that sort of occurs in any paramilitary forganisations. And of course, what we now know is just two hours ago. trump tweeted about that Nan Martin Good Gino. From Buffalo, the seventy five year, old man and he said the following. Quote four protesters shove by police could be an antique. PROVOCATEUR. Now you know we're going to talk more about trump's response in are kind of a third go round in this round table, but led A. Clear that. In every single war, America has waged at home and abroad against an idea whether that idea was fascism, communism and now terror. Anyone who becomes the dissident in any way, even peacefully which he clearly was, this man will be will be not maybe will be labeled as fascist communist or now. Terrorists and ANTIFA is sort of like a new buzzword for terrorism, so we must always reject this and be skeptical of it, so my general take on the moment Okay first of all I think it's important to kind of explain at least from my perspective why this is happening and I think that in some sense This is a perfect storm for unrest, and it's sad that it came to this, but I'm personally proud to be a small part of it and I'm very proud of sort of just the American people for. Keeping the fire up I mean think about what is the backdrop to this and I'm GonNa. Come back to George Floyd and the human element that can never be forgotten. We must always say his another name, but the fact is continued. Even after these officers were arrested, and of course whether they'll be convicted is a whole other story on the stats are not strong on this. But why is it that the debate now and the movement now is so systemic in its critique, which I think is very powerful well, this is all happening on the back of or amidst the covert epidemic in coaching. a massive depression, probably the greatest since the Great Depression and economic crash that really is. An economy that has worked for the few for many years now at least since Reagan, and and really longer we have these endless boomerang gang wars, imperial wars that are coming home to roost We have the tribal politics of the trump age, which really one could say since the Reagan and definitely George W Bush age this division of America, and we have now this widespread loss of faith in the mainstream media narrative, which I think is important, because thereby everyone. Everyone becomes journalist who has a camera or a pen or just is and the throw onto that kin links, and it's pretty significant thing this particularly obscene videoed murder of George Floyd, which is just the in many ways, a straw that broke the camel's back so I think that a lot of discussions of what's happening in the streets and I'm not a leader of this far-flung, widespread and largely organic movement, but just from a historic went on a little perspective. My position is that. These factors created the moments, and they're very sad and the serving factors, but I think that they're important and they're. They're usually not included in the mainstream narrative, which is almost always very binary, peace or violence right right or wrong. What the police did where the reality is! It's more than that so finally you know. All of this makes me hopeful. If not optimistic. Although maybe I'll go, so I stayed cautiously optimistic about what comes from this but I've you know anyone who follows my social media? My articles knows that I've been you know in the streets of six said of. Nine of the last night's in in Kansas City, mostly interest around other cities in Kansas City city, and you know I'm a small number of a broad multifaceted movement, but I think it's needed trust to be out in the streets for mainly two reasons, and that is to. Say His name. To say that enough is enough and human decency must rain and what happened to George? Floyd was a a modern day, lynching and urban lynching on a street corner. Just like the Eric Garner lynching on an urban street corner over cigarettes, and not a counterfeit, supposedly extensively twenty dollar bill That was a lynching, and that was a aggravation and a violation of human decency, and we have to say enough is enough and the second reason I think we need to be in the streets as to expose and protests the systemic militarization of American life, not just policing, but life that created the Eric Garner's. Which is what I got me in the streets, twenty fourteen and the George. Floyd's six years later of the world. So you know that's why. I think we need to be out there and. I I feel like we're really living history right now. And people say that all the time, and we all trade and peddling platitude, but I saw post on one of my lieutenant, one of my old cadets, a brilliant young. Female Student One of my favorites, so she's a lieutenant now. She's an armor officer, right? It means she's living. The combat arms dream right that women could do for the longest time and you know. She posted something or reposted something on social media that said like. Did you ever wonder You know how you would have responded if you lived through the holocaust of World War, two or the Great Depression, and then it said like well what you're doing now is what you would have done and I thought that was pretty powerful. Because this is, this is, this is a pivotal moment, so the that's a lot, but that's all I'd say right now on this. Tenth Grade. I feel like it's not. I mean as with as much stuff as trump says every single day every single minute of every single day like I feel like we can't lose sight of what you mentioned the fact that he is actively peddling conspiracy theories from fucking Oh a. n., which is clearly just the most. It's like Fox News on steroids. If you've ever seen, it's ridiculous. It's insane. It's the stuff that they say it's just like. How can any rational person think that this is true? Regardless, so he's peddling. And it's like. Like, we can't. We can't forget you'll like. Yes, he's A. He's a buffoon. He's foolish. She's ridiculous, but like he's still the president of the United, states and you still has millions of followers on twitter or like. Hang on his every word and. It's just so annoying that. Mainstream media especially isn't taking. Him To task on. Specific things that he says beyond just outrage. Oh my God. Can you believe he said? This and I think that that is like A. They're doing a real real disservice to everybody who cares about this to not pushback, and I feel like it's been interesting to see. Lately, MSNBC and CNN whenever trump said something more like one of its proxies on. If you look at like the banner. On. The screen and sometimes it will say like really. Harsh things like. Trump lies about blah blah and I'm like fuck out like they need to be doing that more every time. He talks every time POMPEII. Oh, talks or Haley enemy. You know any of the mouthpieces for the administration like that's the only way the people are going to get it is this. We see that if we can sit and the the big organizations that. Make Up Society I guess. Those, they're the ones that need to be taken care of. Absent Yeah I actually. This is really important much of saying that. You know! It's. Where we are an individual I don't know I don't know if this what you're driving at all, but as I was listening to you I couldn't help but think that. Wear and individual, or where an organization of any sort. Any public organization falls on this issue in this moment. has become a competence and ethical litmus test. Are you sensing? Are you sensing that oh? Totally yeah, we're seeing. Like something that. We said that I heard a lot last night. And like I've been hearing lately. Is just you know who cider are you on and while while I end loath to take the light? Binary position like that I do think that this is a time to make a stand. We have to be. We have to not be afraid of pissing people off because that's the only way that stuff gets actually. You know in history would just look at history and look at what you know. Forces things to change. It's not people being nice and. Saying, Oh hey, come come be a part of our thing and like help us. Do this I mean. Yes, that's argument, but it's also like you have to push it in the face and forced people to acknowledge what is like what's going on and I'm loving seem a lot of my white friends. Posting these things about like Oh, I learned this today, or like I, didn't think about this until now we just like there's a real shift happening and. In in our collective consciousness in America and and I feel like when it's moments like this, we have to take a stand and we have to either say. Are we going to be with the people that are trying to have the real freedom and equality for everyone? I. In, or are we going to be with a state and with the people that are just saying? Oh, everything's fine. Don't worry about it and I mean like like you said earlier like we're at the combination of three things. We've been in this war of terror for twenty fucking years almost now, which is just insane, but We're like we're really at this point. Where people are saying, you know we've we've been saying enough is enough for a while, but now like actually meaning and the companies and person Structures of power are actually like. Examining this in a real way that we've never seen. Definitely I've made a brief career out of like arguing against you know any sort of managing or binary. Divisions when it comes to war, but I will caveat that by saying that there are particularly rare and I think that's one of the moments in history. Where you do have to take science you do have to choose and. You know. In the Spanish civil war when there was like a fascist overtaking of Spain in the nineteen thirties, which was kind of the lead up to World War Two. It was the rumblings. It was the preview that wasn't even their own country, but. Wear an intellectual for example, a writer public intellectual fell on that issue did in many cases determine sort of the ethical pass the rest of their career, which is why folks like Hemingway and or well and and lots of nameless folks from the. Labor, I'm Lincoln. Brigades in America or many other like expatriates went there to fight, because they said no more enough is enough. We're not gonNA let Fascism rise. They failed, but they ended up being sort of the vanguard Stansky live and later and so yeah I think this is looking real. We're that. Were that were supporting Germany? You like you look at the companies. You look a Henry Ford's. You look at the people who like you know from JP Morgan from standard. They were broken up. You know like the the bigger companies. They were in support of Mussalini of sucking Andrew. Mellon like we can't forget the Andrew Mellon was the secretary of Treasury for eleven years used the position to enrich himself immensely, and like he was a huge supporter of Mussolini and Fascism because he saw how the state was able to make. A economic scroll for the rich, and so he was, and still he was like Oh. Yeah, of course of course is going to work. and. It's just it's so fucked like for US looking at it now with historical perspective and seeing how terrible it was like. We can't forget how people were acting before we knew about Nazism Fascism. Like and we're in that same moment now think like where we have people that are funding the state are defending these authoritarian news, because for some reason, they think that the people who are on the streets are just to cause trouble, or whatever, and not actually caring about will make things better, but it's that's that's a narrative saints on, and it's the same one has always been on when. A when authoritarian regimes are empower? Martin Luther King was very unpopular in public opinion polls when he died. He was only canonized later and. I do think that. The positions people took publicly what they wrote what they said. That's like forever since the Internet. is going to come back and bite full later like this is going to be on that litmus test so so as as sort of a transition. Just because you know maybe a a set it up front like. What we'RE GONNA do is Henry's going to jump in now again because he's got some really interesting thoughts, especially given his experience and research on police militarization, so we're GONNA go around the Horn on on the police factor, and how they've been militarized in many ways, and then, and then we're going to kind of transition more specifically to the actual military in America's streets, which is a extraordinarily discomfiting thing, and and then finally we're GonNa go back. Back around one last time I talk about the descent that we're starting to see in a remarkable fashion more so than since at least the end of the Vietnam War of soldiers veterans against the state, and against the orders to deploy and and that's where we're gonNA FINISH UP SO Yeah Henry if you can lead off some of the the great stuff that you know about police militarization and we'll kick it off from there. So I want to talk for a minute about Washington DC as a city What it what? It's like and especially what the? Police situation is there for citizens of the city. I'm sure listeners that you've seen in the news the? UNMARKED, riot squads right teams that have been utilized at times in Washington. DC during this horrible period. I think those those guys were specifically from the Federal Bureau of Prisons. If anybody wants the actual answer, but the point I'm trying to make, is that the president and his all of his cabinet members and other people that lead Leo agencies, especially including the attorney, general they are able to pull massive massive amounts of manpower and firepower immediately from all these different federal agencies. And if you're on vacation, if you're walking in Washington DC walking past a variety of buildings, you find out that almost every agency has its own police force. And a lot of those agencies even ones that aren't involved in going after criminals in any way have their own swat teams like the Department of Education. I I don't I don't know why, but department of Education has its own swat team. but it makes a roof and. Is it safe to assume that The Education Secretary Betsy Devos Brother Eric. Trans is probably like the CEO of that I. Think so I'm. Sorry I couldn't help myself. You know the. He's the mercenary in chief. They're going to make a new cabinet position called the mercenaries. Jerry I think France already is it starts. So the president in his in his other people, his cabinet, other other members of the state, other members of the government can call in these massive amount of police officers, and there's no. There's no real checks and balances on what they're used for This also includes the joint counter Counter Terrorism Task Force, which according to recent reports that I've seen aside from being previously used against political dissidents or activists of of different stripes, mostly leftists. that they're trying to use the authority of the task force to go after. Practice now and refer the terrace. So, it's important. Understand this this citadel of Washington DC, in terms of I I wrote down here. I'm calling it an American police fortress because that's really what it is And this huge army of officers is exactly that it is literal army that the president and others can call in to be used for any given situation. Here's a here's a really good example of something that has changed recently that The da got a special exemption, a temporary exemption to be able to do surveillance on protesters, which is not at all part of their mandate, but because the they're calling, you know it's an emergency. Rioters Thurs agitators. Danny Right. You know all the various synonyms for that. They're able to push the panic button and bring in all these different law enforcement agencies and even moves out from their Washington. DC You know the CIA has cops. There are an and I've mentioned both in social media, and when we spoke Larry Wilkerson that I've already seen military police I. Don't know if they're active duty national guard, but out there on the front lines right along alongside alongside regular cops in riot gear and I don't think that's a good thing. I think that that is a very much a slippery slope to walking into even further layers of militarization. Why doesn't the DC mayor have control of the National Guard in Washington DC? That that's the question, I, ask myself a lot recently, because the president was able to call it the National Guard and use them in whatever way he wants to his authority, but the mayor the actual. Sovereign leader of Washington. DC WHO MAKES DECISIONS ABOUT DC. Should have that authority, but she doesn't. And I know that DC I mean I. It's it's essentially kind of the I wouldn't say the president's play place, but it's definitely the government's play place. I wanted to mention to you. Guys is specific moment. There was a picture of National Guard troops in riot gear standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. That may be really really angry, although it is very pressured for time given the the connections to. Police brutality and Pushing down black lives matter. Now. I wanted to talk a little bit about the weapons that are being used by police against protesters. We've discussed in the past. different ways that that weapons of war can hurt people. Even if they're not being used defensively, a good example would be the tiny concussions. That soldier can get from using a machine gun. but talk about how this is affecting the the protesters so I is is tear gas now. Tear gas also called CS and C. N.. I can't remember what those nations being at the moment, but. it has banned as a weapon of war in the Chemical Weapons Convention that our country signed. It is not authorized to be used as a weapon of war. However, it is given a specific special exemption to be used as a domestic right, control agent and I. Put the words Right Control in parentheses. that term seen it so many times this last week, and it's written in the way that it implies that whatever devices attached to tear gas if it's a a projectile launcher pepper balls that. It's only acceptable uses on riots and rioters. Therefore, it's not used at other times so there. If it's getting used then the word presumption must be the its target must be writers. As thought, that was funny in Morbid. I found a two thousand fourteen study conducted by the army that determined that Cs Gas, which is something that all new soldiers and officers get exposed to at one one time or another. that it does cause actual damage to the lungs, making one much more susceptible to getting respiratory infections, which is a major problem for basic training troops. The study itself lead to a decrease in the severity of gas, using training, trying to minimize transmission of. and. Minimize any damage to people's lungs. During, the corona virus epidemic, the UCS not only becomes a concern for any individual who has to breathe it in, but an additional transmission chance for the virus CS causes people to cough uncontrollably, trying to get out of their system, meaning that anybody who carries the virus, even if there is some dramatic at the moment, there gas. They would now be coughing up millions more droplets of the virus than they would have been otherwise. then. There's rubber bullets and rubber bullets is another misnomer because they're rubber? Coated bullets are riot rounds. However, you want to see him. Some remain. Woods are made of a hard composite plastic and some of them were made of metal. One study that I found it had documented a total of over one thousand nine hundred injuries from rubber bullets. Fifteen percent of injuries resulted in permanent disability. Three of them result three percent resulted in death. When the injuries were, too. is they overwhelmingly resulted in blindness? there's been numerous reports I can think of three right now. where specifically reporters, but other protesters have been hit in or near there is and have lost their I. I've I've seen that. At least three times and I'm sure there's probably more that I didn't notice through the news, but the most important thing about the rubber bullets is to get around cops euphemistically referring to them as rubber bullets which they're not, they can be different sizes. They can be shot out of a forty millimeter grenade launcher. The kind that Danny and I and our troops used to carry in war zones. Though we move onto flashbacks flash. BANGS are just dangerous in general. Being near a flashbang detonation for any reason is a very dangerous. thing I I I'm sure many of our listeners familiar with it, a little boy that got hurt in a raid. I WanNa say it was twenty, fifteen or twenty sixteen and a Flashbang went off to his chest, and he had to have extensive surgery I. Don't I don't know what the status of his health is today, but I know that he was he was. was hurt very very badly because he was close to it you can get burns. You can get small amounts of shrapnel wounds. Your Vision it does it's supposed to be temporary, but people have had longstanding issues from it, and of course hearing damage. There's also the chance of losing your fingers or other appendages. If the thing goes off that close to you. This was something that I carried as a soldier. I carried a Flashbang with the on on patrols. And I, it's very very destructive, but it's being treated right now as a common. Easily used easily needed weapon against against the protestors. We come into pepper spray pepper spray has a whole bunch of different ways to deploy it. There's the small hand held canister that most patrolman Kerry then you get up to a fog type device that more like shape of fire, extinguisher, and the newest one that I'm still trying to learn more about is when pepper spray reformer pepper spray is put into paint balls that can then be shot at rioters at random now. This this combines two different parts of. Of this one is the pepper spray which is very painful, although it's it's affects overall, are a bit diminished from Cs. It's still can be damaging, but generally speaking isn't as damaging, but with the pepper balls you get pepper spray all the hell over you, and then you also get the impact injuries from the paint balls and he used to play baseball as a kid. You get giant welts. You again could loosen I if somebody shot you in the eye. It the the injuries can be horrific, but but made the like this is a. A, less a less lethal, less damaging way to deal with the protester. Then, we come to a little more unusual stuff like sound cannons I found an article talking about. There's a lawsuit going on Supreme Court. Recently said that it can allow to go forward involving the use of a sound cannon in a twenty fourteen Eric Garner protests in Staten, island so might be something for you to to check out their Danny's in terms of the the longevity of it the kind of questions they're asking for the case. And lastly, but certainly not least is impact weapons and with impact weapons again it's another euphemism. We're talking about taunts. We're talking about collapsible tons. TASERS riot shields All kinds of things that can be used to walk the shit out of people You know there's some I. Don't want to speak to. How specific departments have user tactics is a lot of variants. It's all very violent, but it's You Know I. I haven't noticed anybody who's actually had any restraint yet here in Portland. We've been dealing with long horrible actions against peaceful protesters. Kagan I was so happy to hear from you. When we discussed this before we started that your march was Your Long March was peaceful, only saw one cop, which is great, most super jealous of you being able to be out marching because I, it's it's not something I really can do. but I'm I'm very proud that you guys are out there, trying to to get these opinions and and and Trying to change this horrific horrific PGA. Police we are in America. Now. Having settled out about all that different kind of year there are very few national regulations on riot-control weapons, saying when they can and can't be used, it's usually comes down to if there is some kind of rule that comes in says we can't use them in this specific way. It's like an appeals court decision. It's not anyone actually sat down and regulated a good example. along with that would be the use the. The riot squad I mentioned earlier that was I. Think is part of the Bureau of Prisons. There I think there should be federal law that if you are a federal law enforcement officer you. Your uniform has to be labeled as such at all times. You can't take that shit off as to hide your identity when using this kind of violence. You'll I think that's? That's all I to say about that for the moment. That's all incredibly great stuff and I'm so thankful that you went through the individual. China weapons of war. because. That's what they are. These these are these are weapons of war that are utilized against the American people, a war on December the war on protests, the vast vast majority of which is peaceful. And that's not me taking a physician on peaceful versus not peaceful I think that it we must understand roots of the limited violence that we've seen. Especially in the last week where it's really calmed down a, but at the same time, just on a personal level yet I'm something close to a pacifist out on those streets. Not Judging every aspect of what's going on out there. Personally I I'm glad to see the peaceful stuff and I was glad to hear that report from you, Fagin. And I've seen most of that in Kansas City so I've comments on some of those three of those weapons out went on addict total which I will be some extent and personal. Remember that I'm speaking from my narrow soda, Straw apple here in mid size and the city, but Kansas City is the largest the metropolitan area in maybe two or three hundred mile radius year in the middle of the Midwest the East Great Plains, so let's start with like the pepper spray. spokes to my left and right directly. were pepper sprayed on Saturday, a Latin the first Saturday. And Sunday and you know I got some. Yeah, back spray, but I was pretty. Lucky. it is painful. They were using the candy police when they were really ride up right year up on Saturday and Sunday of the first day of protest, they were definitely more aggressive, and they had those kind of larger canisters that look almost like small fire extinguishers. And what I'll say is there's there's a personal sides of this? There was a character function here and what I mean is. What I witnessed was variation among individual police officers in their willingness to US right. The threshold at which they used things like spring and so. There were a few cops that I kept an eye on and videos of on pictures that some people have seen throughout the week, but especially those first few days, and those all three of us and many of our listeners who've been in the military know that there's always a handful of folks in every unit that you're. Like their job a little too much. And there was this one police officer in Kansas City. african-american very muscular. Look the part kind of police officer, and he enjoyed his job a lot and extraordinarily aggressive and physical with always peaceful protesters in terms of what I saw on the ground and you know she was really big on an. He wasn't a sergeant or anything either. What can help although they're very? They weren't as good about marketing their uniforms with names and ranked as I. Wish they all would have been. There was very little standard that just really wouldn't pass muster even like a line army in. It s look same, but. You know I mean he was criminalising space in a very arbitrary way, and so we're other officers, and some of their leaders where we'd be allowed to stand on a one, you know curb one minute, and then like literally ninety seconds later they'd say no, no now. You can't stay in there anymore. We've decided it's illegal. It's your breaking the law or rescue, since in a when when a woman very peaceful and relatively diminutive woman was just like grounds. You know she's pepper spray. Right in the is obviously. It's a video that that got some attention on twitter. There's a paradox here with any paramilitary organization or any organization that executes manages force and violence, and that is. To quote Kurt Vonnegut on a macro scale. Lana get says, and he's so funny and always right. He says there's one fatal flaw in our constitution above freezing and I don't know what to to change it. And he says, and that is that only crazy people want to be president, and of course it's funny right true like even someone like Obama like to think that you you should be charged with the quote. Free World is insane right. You, understanding about police and soldiers right in many ways, the only people you want especially in like domestic community policing Yuli folks that you want to do that job or folks who don't really want to do that job. People who don't take relish in it and that paradox is people to break, and so I saw that with individual officers which been moving onto tear gas. that I was guest more than once in in did suffer. Some of the you know and discomfort. Inside effects of that right, you know fluid coming out of orifices and all this I witnessed on Saturday evening. Still daylight in particular can't city police unleash? Tear gas on us in the park at JC. Nichols Fountain Down by the Plaza which was where they told us we had to stay. And because some folks stayed in the street and sort of held their ground, they response was to. Tear gas the entire park that they had told us to stay. Criminalizing peaceful protests, they have been better since and they really demilitarize. Draw. Get to, but. You know this was profound. I mean there is something as I wrote sort of. Paradigm shifting and changing altering the way you look at your government when you watch strangers transversely, helping other strangers pick up their multiple children to run from tear gas because they were kids in the crowd. You talked about the effects gas, and how it's used on, you know, see us as used on soldiers in basic training. Of course you know the first time that I've been exposed to see us was in the gas chamber at Cadet. Basic training in July Leitch alerts about one and. This is my religion talking as a white man and a veteran. I truly even a year ago would have thought it unlikely that I would be tear gas by my own government, but of course now we are through the looking glass, and that's something that happened to me and I. Never I haven't thrown so much is thrown an empty water bottle right so but yet the on either the people next by and large. We were gas Finally on the rubber, bullets have not hit with a rubber bullet. Thankfully, folks were on a limited, admittedly limited basis against city a much more on other cities. It's correct note that revolt euphemism. For Real. It's still bullets that are just in case rubber when I think of rubber bullets. Based on my own sort of like historical interests, and then like my family, which was like vaguely supportive of Irish, independence and the Irish Republican Army and I was raised on that and watched all those movies and read all those folks. Is it even as kid? I always associated both Northern Ireland right. Of course they're used elsewhere widely used in Kashmir, which is the largest military domestic occupational world is half a million Indian troops there. maintaining in the entrance role against the population doesn't want to be part of India. But the idea of being used widely in st disturbing, and maybe it should have been is it has been used in the past that I think a lot of our privilege. Those of us who don't live in these marginalized communities of color. The idea of were volts being barred Willy Nilly American crowds was almost unthinkable. Now were seeing it exposed. Final on police militarization I was A. Young girl veterans be shirts, and all that and I I kind of wear. My callers identify myself in solidarity but You know because of that on the relatively weeklies looking like A. Shirt. I've had some local media. Approach me on these protests and kind of interview me on the spot, and an NPR order come up to me on Tuesday night, and just quiet, quiet night and There were still riot leaks that was last night, but I saw at least in mass out against the streets, and and he asked me. Why was there talk about these Saddam well, why are you so upset? Basically about like drones and the sniper teams? Above US on these buildings. Don't you want them there? In case, some crazy person rolls up with an APR fifteen. And start shooting at the crowd. And of course I thought this was a little bit of hyperbole. And SORTA. I answered it and I said well. Yes, I mean enough broad sense. The police should protect peaceful protesters however. I think that it would be a mistake to focus just on that narrow doubles advocacy without noting that what we're really here to protest is the systemic militarization of the mandate and the culture of lease that led us to this point in the first place. So you know it's really easy to say Oh, they're just that apple's are. There's lots of good cops are actually here. In fact us without mentioning what I think finally are the two main points number. One militarized police got us here in the first place. They created the George Floyd's the world and number two. The things the MPR reported didn't point out I made sure to was. Hey, if someone does roll up here at the AARP thirteen chewed up this crowd. Make no mistake. He was almost definitely influenced by trump's twitter calls for the Maga goons to come out and sort of you know, undertake vigilante justice against Let's not let the president off of. This. In the. Next, bringing that all up, and I think least Meltzer's Ara. I would add on top of. Just a factor like if anybody doesn't see how memorize. The police have become after everything. That's going on right now. They're just being willfully ignorant because. Everything that's going on, you know we can say okay Minnesota like that's the focal point for you know the beginning nanny waste that's where a lot of people were focusing their hinting, but the fact that we're seeing this across multiple states multiple cities. You know it's not like like Henry said. There isn't a lot of national guidelines on how to use this, so it just shows. The. These are the tactics that are put in place. The have been put in place because. They're in this level of you know how will help police? Escott, De Escalation tactics, or whatever they call, it might to make it look pretty, but it's not. And it's just frustrating that we have people that are. that. Are you know I was talking to my aunt about? Police and she's very like on the side of I'm and I. She was just. Posted the NPR article about. Do we need the police right now? So do we need them at all? And she was like I actually agree with a lot of like. Police aren't social workers. They're not counselors. You know they're designed to. End The threat as quickly as well as enter like. That's the problem when you look at everything as its rich you. Are Considering yourself to always be on the defensive always be. You know getting ready to like. Defend Yourself, and that's what the fuck is that that's not how leasing. That's war. And I I love that quote in the wire and again. This was a long time ago. It's it's so true now. Is You know when that commander sitting down with his company says the thing about. He was talking about the drug war, but he says the thing about calling something. A war as everybody starts to think of themselves as warriors and I like that has never been more true than right now. Because, you have people that are. Trying to do our lawfully allowed to do, and then you have this other organization that. Doesn't really give a shit well or if they do like their tactics and policies are not showing that they give. And we can go round and round and talk about bad cops are good cops, but said it's like the policies that need to change. Tactics and will be on that like something that we were talking about last night generally. On the march was just the idea of defunding the police, because here in Portland, literally a couple hours before the march started the police chief, she stepped down Xinbin. Police Very Long, but she felt like she needed to do that. which you know, okay, that's great. That's great that she made that decision. On in place of an African American man who seems a little more. Amenable but again like it's not individual people and I love that that was the first thing. Everybody said. It's not one person. It's not oh. Let's change the face you know. It's the fact that this system. This institution is thoroughly broken and we need to come up with something new. And there are people who have been creating systems like this of community policing. Where it's your neighbor, it's the people that are actual volunteers to go and help you and help the community and that's. I think that's where we're going. It's GonNa take a while to get there. Because the police unions are strong, but it's nice that we are seeing this big sea change of people being like we can do better. We can do better than the current system we have and instead of reforming it. Let's just start from scratch. I'm so glad that you brought up the wire because like any good. Guilty liberal I think was was the greatest drama in TV history. I used that quote Jagan as the epigraph, one of my chapters in my first book and I wrote. Twenty fourteen so the point I. Think you're raising. Is that this is? This is old, and I'm going to read briefly what you paraphrase because I think you're right. This is what we need to talk about in its culture as much as it is the cosmetic. You know. He said to his sergeant, who was just like you know arrest in low level drug dealers and call him that victory. He said this drug thing. This ain't police work I mean. I can send any fool with a badge and a gun on them corners and Jack Crew, and grab some vials policing. I mean you call something a war and pretty soon everybody going GonNa be running around acting like warriors. Are we seeing that now? They GONNA be running around on damn crusade storming corners, slapping on cups, racking up body counts, and pretty soon damn near everybody on every corner is your fucking enemy and soon the neighborhood that you're supposed to be policing well. That's just occupied territory. Which I think transitions. Forever to jump back in to. The use of actual troops. It because this is occupied by territory, we are seeing what is called the empire and the foreign counter insurgencies. Bringing back home. We're on twitter at fortress on a hill. And also at FACEBOOK DOT com at focus on a hill. You can find our main log page and our full collection of episodes at www dot fortress on a hill dot. com I tunes stitcher. Google podcasts Patriot on spotify. You name it almost anywhere. You listen already waiting for you. And Hey. We're always in the market for more Patriot supporters, please consider becoming a patron at Patriot dot com. If you're not into, give it a monthly payment. Think about giving us a couple of bucks on pay pal. Link is in the show. Skepticism is ones best armor. We'll see an extra. Long.

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Understanding the War Industry w/ Christian Sorenson  Ep 80

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Understanding the War Industry w/ Christian Sorenson Ep 80

"Welcome to fortress on a hill. I'm Henry. I'm Danny I'm Kagan where we left his veterans a name to expose the reality of the US military's multiple Wars abroad to illuminate the damage military service does to American American Presidents throughout history have used American Military and diplomatic power to force regime change of democratically-elected governments around the world. Most veterans come from families vested in prior service and American generals choose their own ensuring diversity of thought never interferes with American war-mongering. How can we stop by and do nothing while our military kills and destroys lives the world over while telling Americans at all this death and destruction protects them from terrorists when nothing could be more fog fortress on a hill aims to change that. Welcome everybody fortress on a hill. We have a a new guest today someone I'm really excited for us to chat with a person Sorensen is there to talk to us about his new book understanding the War Industry Christian does a lot of activism around military Contracting and Thursday is also a lot more about that. So Christian, how you doing doing really? Well. Thank you for having me. Oh absolutely glad glad to have you here. So when you give us give us a chance that version of how you got into studying military Contracting so long story short after I got out of the military sort of just try to process everything else. I began studying the contracts not with any intent to really do anything with it, but after a while it's sort of developed into a hobby. So every Duty day around birth 5 Eastern Pentagon puts up on its website who it's contracted with during the course of that day. So I take these contracts I distill them and they try to see who's home from war and you know, the average list is sort of a jumbled but over time if you if you break them down you can see who the who the corporations are. What are the main locations, you know, where where are the the nodes of Industry if you will, what are the big-ticket items? What are the what are the Pentagon spending priorities and you know, you can then go to their websites and these corporations War corporations are just like any other corporations they have to Market their products. So the press releases are virgin. Very illustrative. And so yeah, you can see what military units the so-called Contracting activities are purchasing the goods and services and see how these contracts change over time. So like I don't know for example for years ago. I never really saw the word cyber in any of the contracts and now cyber cyber is a a billable category home and you see a lot of that. So after about I don't know five six years of studying these things I've felt it was about time to put this put pen to paper and I am very grateful for clarity, press out of Atlanta too grateful for their courage because they published it and so yeah, so it's it's what I have from those contracts sort of blended with The the really good work of researchers and journalists and I try to paint a picture of the overall military industrial Congressional triangle the complex dmic and in particular the the War Industry the industrial side. I was I was fascinated how you broke down the various contractors and subcontractors by area and seeing you know, that the the the massive complex that is around Washington D. C and all those contractors. Yeah, they go Dallas Fort Worth and and some of these places are even a bit removed from real military bases, but they're still might be a big conglomeration of contractors still working on that stuff in those areas. Right? Right. So just just to mention for our for our listeners the main locations off Huntsville, Alabama, which was originally I guess the site of the old Rocket program post World War Two where a lot of the old Nazi scientists went and so hospital every every major war Corporation has a has a an office in home so multiple offices actually and they work they work in and out of hospital and they work on Redstone Arsenal down there. So then you got like you mentioned sort of North East Virginia through Thursday see and up in the Baltimore. That's a huge one, Maryland anything in and around Fort Meade. You have the Dallas-Fort Worth region of Texas Southern California. And then there are a lot of up-and-coming locations like Tampa. Florida is huge these days 6 to Special Operations Command and Central Command down at down at the Airforce Base down there. So you you also Silicon Valley you have Greater, Boston, Massachusetts, you know, Dayton, Ohio. So yeah, they're a lot of black spots. So I jotted down a few notes about my experiences of contractors when I was in before we got started and aside from the kind of standard deployed Soldier, you know, go to the chow hall. See you guys at the gates checking IDs those kind of things overseas, right the ones that were very much in my face was that the service department of the army made a huge transition from having active duty MPS do their patrol work to d a civilian cops? Yeah, so they slowly and slowly have to take over more and more of that and I'm assuming that for most major installations now, it's just d a cops, you know, actual MPS who you know, that's their home on the base versus contractors that were off post by Design because they can't live on a post from come in and take over those jobs. Yeah. Yeah, so they Security based security is sold off. As a distinct, you know good or service but it's also sold as part of what they call Base operations support services or boss and so boss is just everything that you know, it takes to run an installation from taking out the trash to you know snow plow to mowing the lawn and and that stuff back in the day that the the soldier of the Sailor the Airman Marine, you know did and there was nothing there's nothing wrong with that system. You know, it worked really really well, you know, there's always somebody on base who doesn't have enough to do you test them you get it done and that's you know, that's how we did it but as you know the corporate office of the US government in general, but the Pentagon is specific now have boss as as one of the many profitable business sectors of War essentially and you see this at see the state side, you'll see all these so you see boss contracts for us presence in the occupation in Iraq occupation in Afghanistan bases in Turkey basis throughout Europe. You'll see in the the phone number. East you'll see it in Japan you'll see it in Guam as a huge bus place but there's a you know, there are many profitable sectors of War there's propaganda that's public relations with Recruitment and Retention anytime. You know, I never knew this but anytime you see, you know, a slick ad on TV or a banner ad on on the website. That's a it's a corporation. That's a fact, you know public, you know PR firm that does that and you know, there's office work. There's Consulting advisory assistance advisory and assistance contracts. You see all the time. Now anything that has to do with busy or Logistics or you know, one of the Insidious things now is we see a lot of contracts for cost reduction. So feel shell out to Shell out eight figures for cost reduction in this is absurd. I mean, you'll see I'm not just you know, one of the famous examples would be Lockheed Martin and Lockheed Martin F-35 is a boondoggle can't even Shoot Straight. It's horrible, you know Lockheed Martin promised to promise the world with this aircraft. It came up with correctly a fairly mediocre mediocre platform. And so you'll see that yeah, you'll see that in Lockheed Martin contracts and you'll see them Martin getting cost reduction contracts for an overpriced underperforming, you know platform and you'll see Mackenzie and a lot of these other consulting firms getting it on that too. So Mackenzie will get paid off eight figures in order to reduce the cost on you know, the the most expensive weapons platform in history. You can't make this stuff up. So just real quick other profitable business sectors of War include nuclear weaponry construction is huge according to my calculations construction is the or the Pentagon is the single biggest employer of construction workers in the United States and never do that with Special Operations forces any of the gear and the Trinkets and the gizmos that those guys use it's you know, it's a huge sector. There's there's I think fourteen billion one of the local wage Economic council's down in Tampa cited. I think it was thirteen or fourteen billion recently or just running through pumping through, you know, MacDill Air Force Base down there and you know, it's one of the ways that these corporations they whenever there's a you know, a major new new facility or facility that gets a lot of attention from the Pentagon. They just swarm these for corporations. So then you have other profitable sector wage ballistic missiles and you can do a space not just the satellites but launching satellites and monitoring satellites training simulation ordinance, you know, when we think of the War Industry off, we typically think of you know, the bombs and the bullets and you know, the bombs are that's a huge sector the, you know, the rockets and in the missiles huge sector, but the bullets I very rarely see a contract for small arms and light weapons. You just you really don't see it. In fact Information Technology by the in terms of sheer number of contracts information technology is the you know, the big dog And yeah, that's sort of a rundown of that. But you know Danny I'd love to hear sort of your experience with any any mercenaries any desk mercenaries any dead bodies getting paid to do a job that is traditionally carried out by you know, the uniformed Soldier sailor and Marine. Oh absolutely everything. You said she brought up like more questions that I could ever answer than I could ever ask on one podcast. I remember my first real, you know introduction to like the the legit old-school mercenaries was when one of my soldiers have been pretty badly hurt and you know, I was visiting him at the cash and Baghdad right the combat support hospital and in the in the room next door, you know, I met these dudes who were visiting their friends and so we were kind of hanging out in the in the lobby and then smoking cigarettes together and these were these were wage Contractors, you know, but like legit security contractors. I think there was a South African a Brit and like an Aussie. It was like a who's who of like the white contractor? Right? Like same old mercenary old school like 1970s wild-goose style which is like an old movie with Richard Burton, but you know, that was the intro and I was like what is going on and then of course Blackwater long shot up that whole Square full of civilians and that happened when I was in Iraq and we felt a lot of the Fallout from that because of course the Iraqis don't differentiate between you know, I'm white Anglo folks with rifles wearing camouflage who are mercenaries versus American soldiers. So we all kind of bore the brunt but then I started seeing it elsewhere right and and I'll ask about that but I started seeing how everything from the gate guards to the you know, the shit Pumpers to I mean you name it were we're sort of contracted out and stats bear this out. And so, you know from Vietnam to Desert Storm. It's like ten times more contractors, you know doing jobs that used to be done by folks wearing camo and then between Desert Storm 91,000 like 2003 in Iraq invasion. It's like ten more times than and I think the numbers are even worse than that. Yeah, but as I thought about like the Contracting right some of the stuff that you look at with specificity, I was you know reminded of some of the more extreme examples in this one was a fictional account of a I think a real case, but that War Dogs movie that was was found out and you know half, D&R Miles Teller and Jonah Hill and and I you probably have some comments on that but you know that movie shows some of the absurdity of how to get a how you could get a contract or in the war on terror, but my kind of on the ground cosmetic absurdity of as a commander throwing really hundreds of thousands of dead. There's a local Nationals to do different contracts for space Improvement Etc with just the minimal accountability huge corruption, you know fueling our enemies through Kickbacks knowingly often. So, you know, I saw all that but I think that even I was surprised when I started, you know, reading your stuff and other actual like studies right analysis of this I was even surprised to find out how much of the absurdity that I saw on the ground that I thought was just the lunacy of the Afghan war is actually not that different from the absurdity that goes on at macro level right that what we study here at home. And so I thought maybe you can comment a little bit about that right like how the system actually works of bids and and and this whole process thoughts because I think most people might not realize how unless you know, how lack the lack of oversight of the system. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Iraq. So I will background that but just saying that you know corporations the most powerful entity on Earth right now and War corporations are the most powerful entity came out of that Bunch, you know, and they have the way the military industrial Congressional complex is is organized sort of AIDS and abets off what would be considered criminality in any other in any other form? So I say that the the m i see the military-industrial Gresham complex is insulated wage. And you know, we it's insulated because we you know, we as Citizens now our civilians now we have you know, we have no we have no effect on the military issue obvious. We've no effect on industry. Okay, right. Those are those are to you know, sort of clothes sections closed from the average, you know, the average Joe. However, we are supposed to have faith. influence on the Congressional side of things and yeah, we you know, we elect the Congress people they they do what we say, but unfortunately industry, you know corrupt Congress before they even before they even get the Capitol Hill so you have you know, you have a situation where You know, we no lobbying. We know lobbying lobbying, you know, once they get the Capitol Hill, you know the lobbyists warm. All right, so but before then, you know, if you Henry and you Danny or you know running for a congressional seat one for the red team one for the blue team, I the war Corporation fun both of you and with campaign finance and then whoever gets into gets in the office or with me a favor. So you're corrupt before you even step foot of a hill and then insidiously by spread quote unquote, you know jobs throughout other congressional districts and you know, your your congressional district and others so that I can get everyone pretty pretty wrapped up in the whole thing. Now the jobs are all the jobs figures are always hyped always hyped and there's no accountability because those in Congress were supposed to be holding. This is a corporation to account are the ones taking money from lobbyists from the very corporations. So a corporation, you know, and just real quick the top five are at 5 and in terms Of you know market share or for lack of a better word out of the war corporations are Lockheed Martin Raytheon Technologies, Boeing General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman and month. So they'll you know, they'll quote unquote. I guess prepare the terrain by spreading these, you know jobs around and all the all the Congressional side wants to do is just say jobs, you know, there's there's no accountability and if say they do actually hire, you know, three hundred people at the Raytheon plant in El Segundo, California say that actually happens. There's no obligation for for Raytheon or whatever the corporation is to hold on to those jobs and you know corporations across the board are automating and exporting jobs. And there's there's no there's you know, the War Industry is no exception wage. So they will automate and they have every job that they can they're trying to just like any other ferocious corporate entity cut costs. So industry Hypes the jobs jobs figures which Congress usually cites the jobs can actually log Direct jobs, you know, like I hire you Frank that you know the plant in I don't know somewhere in Ohio making armored vehicles. All right fine, but ended up also includes in their tallies indirect jobs and induced jobs. So say we hire, you know, five hundred people in Sterling Heights Michigan to build an armored vehicle will include, you know, a thousand jobs in that higher in in the in the tallies that we then, you know hand to our Congress person our being our the War Industries congressperson and you know, these induced jobs will be like, oh the you know, the I don't know the, you know, mother-of-two using a ride-sharing app to shuttle, you know, one ending a person from you know, the pub to the, you know from the pub to home or from or the you know, local local guy working three jobs. One of which is at a diner where the you know local page. Negative eats. I mean it's so the the jobs titles are the jobs tallies are always over-inflated. And so it's it's it's an insulated triangle military industry Congress. It's insulated and you can see this in a real Insidious way with the with the recent Panthers and you know, you'd think you'd think in a functioning democracy quote unquote that you know, during a pandemic the government would take care of the of the public but she hasn't the military industrial Congressional complex has has chugged along as if it's any other year. I mean how how in you know in living peep? Can you please give the war machine seven hundred fifty billion dollars, give or take during a pandemic while simultaneously denying the American public Healthcare universal healthcare wage. Give her all at the same time where you have a huge unemployment crisis from the pandemic, you're not addressing that at the same time and on addressing the housing crisis. People are getting kicked out of town. So it really insulates. It really demonstrates the insulated nature of the m i c i mean the ruling class has demonstrated their absolute disregard in 20-25 regard at best or contempt at worse of the the American public and you know, US military get 750 billion this, you know, this fiscal year or this upcoming fiscal Center of Disease Control CDC eight billion. I mean, the numbers are staggering Newsweek reported in March when the when the pandemic is really kicking off here in that one year worth of nuclear weapons spending would provide 300,000 Intensive Care Unit beds, 35,000 ventilators and salaries of something like seventy-five dead. Doctors I mean, this is Criminal, this is Criminal when Eisenhower famously said that you know, every bomb every bullet Etc is is basically taking bread out of the Public's mouth. I mean, it's true and Eisenhower had its flaws, you know, as you know you to know but, you know, we're really in a really in a bind here and I don't see it getting a You know getting any better. Would you talk a bit about the the diffuse nature of military Contracting especially under globalization and how long of American patriotism can sometimes fit into that? Sure, so. One of the things I noticed in the pandemic is the US government pressuring The Mexican government and the Canadian government to wage. to resume production early on you know people, you know government shutdown and The Mexican government in particular because while Mexico never almost never showed up in the Pentagon contracts because the Pentagon contracts deal with, you know, basically the the primary purchaser and Mexico usually is far down supply chain. So you'll never really get a corporation based in Mexico that shows up in the in the contracts, but I mentioned it because you know, Mexico and you know, even China are are down the the supply line. So you have you know, there's a pentagon report the other day off and if I'm not answering your question, please let me know but I think I'm going in the right direction. There was a report the other day where a landlord who used to this is very illustrative. She used to be dead. Um, you know, one of the executives at Textron which is one of the major corporations in the War Industry, and she's now in charge of Pentagon acquisition. She's performer performer title song title is I think under secretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment and she basically said that look we are microprocessors wage or you know, a lot of them come from China and we can't due to globalization due to Outsourcing due to shoving these jobs overseas and she didn't use the word to use but you know, they were doing that in order to you know, not only stiff the us working class but also to you know to cut down on costs, you know, if you pay em all like people in the corporate headquarters in North East Virginia or in you know, Bethesda, Maryland or anywhere of these were corporations off. Make eight figures a year precisely because they do not pay the working class a fair livable honest wage a wage that reflects what the working class puts in to the money or goods and or services and so, you know same thing with Bezos same thing with any of these billionaires that our society, you know laws. And so yeah, so there is a diffuse nature and in from the pentagon's point of view, it's coming back to vitamin in the keister because they're saying or they're claiming as part of Grey dog competition is part of the hype of China as a quote unquote. Enemy the new in the new cold war that are microprocessing industrial basis is at risk, so I don't know if I answer your question, but I think you know got somewhere in the ballpark. How was it? Oh totally totally know that one of the things that I ask I've thought about before but your book Illustrated it to a degree that it just couldn't ignore it is, you know that the worker at contractor a wherever they have happened to be may only end up making one tiny spring that goes into circuit board that goes in a missile that goes on a fighter but that person is brought into a greyish world of patriotism by their reaction to the pipeline. Even if it's relatively small thing and you know, it goes back to guys, you know, they somebody joins Jag or they joined Finance or something under the mistaken belief that because they're not a a trigger puller. They're not Taking Lives. They're not right in that part. And this by the by the ads globalization by how much it's increased that situation is is made much much worse as time goes on. Yes. Yes and to which I'll add the war Corporation wage. Know what they're doing, you know, they will play they really hype up what I called traditional patriotism in Danny's so much better at analyzing this than I am but I am in my book. I I used the term traditional patriotism in order to indicate what we what we as a society, you know, waving the flag rallying around the troops this and that and the war corporations do need to do a really excellent job at at playing to the so they'll you know, they'll hang the flags and in the in the factory still put pictures of active duty troops up in the factories. They will they'll do they'll do anything in order to make and sort of imbue the the working class these factories in understanding. In those workers that you know, when you're when you're building anything any part any good or service that ends up being purchased by the by the Pentagon but God of War they you know, you're helping soldiers Sailors Airmen Marines and they really play on that on that sense of patriotism. And so it's like it's there. There are many reasons why I thought somebody would work and I want to I want to state that I understand. I'm not I'm not shaming anyone. If you eat, you know, the the us working class is beat up. The jobs are exported the jobs are automated thumb, you know, everyone everyone's hurting I get that so I'm not shaming anyone right now, but it is important to understand why people within the you know, why would somebody work for the War Industries and you alluded to patriotism tradition would I call traditional patriotism and that's that's huge. That's so important. That's one of the ways that they do it. Also, you know money, you know the average, you know dead. Working working stiff, you know, it doesn't make a lot within the war industry but it is we'll put you know food on the table or food on the family as George W bush once said and I'm also use civilian use, you know, they'll say, you know, if you corner someone you'll say, you know, I did a few interviews for this and you know, one of the justifications especially the you know, the mid-level and the higher-ups will say life is you know, look at all we've we've brought you, you know, we've brought you we you know, the quote unquote defense industry. We brought you the internet the jet engine radar, you know off and yeah, those are all fine and good but imagine imagine what you could do. If you if you you know, spent that kind of research and development money, you know, seven hundred billion annually 750 billion annually into other department of education labor Commerce Housing and Urban Development Health and Human Services agriculture interior Transportation. Imagine what they could do with that kind of money over time non stove-piped non compartmental dog. You know research original research that requires, you know, openness and transparency free flow of information unlike military research which is which stovepipe compartmentalize and on on vicious deadlines off you imagine the polymaths That Could That Could Sprout up within that and imagine the benefits for for you know to society and so the argument that civilian youth of military technology or ancillary benefits. It's just just hogwash, you know, so this traditional traditional patriotism there is, you know money their civilian use and it's also what you what you alluded to is just plain old distancing, you know, the the dispersed nature of you know, people working plants all over the country, you know day to focus on their daily tasks, you know, they may be you know, so so what if they it you know Slaughter someone in Yemen or in Palestine or in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Columbia or you know the Philippines or Molly or wherever the dog? It's a giant, you know, a corporate ties War Machine, you know happens to be and and public relations Personnel within the the major corporations are very good at this still say, you know, you know, we manufacture the month, you know, we weren't they're using this one. You know, it's it's really it's really Insidious Sidious or they'll say Hey, you know, you know how great the, you know, we interviewed the troops when they got back and how great was it off if they came you know, they really they really appreciated are you know fill in the blank name the weapons platforms they you know, they really appreciated it. They'll say, you know, we're doing it for the troops, you know, and I yeah, it's pretty it's pretty bad. So I hope I answered your question. Sorry for the rant, but it's it's important to get into some of the stuff. The guys and I love doing the podcast being able to share our experiences in the military with allies and supporters means the world to us. We can't do all the work. 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And yeah, I think it's great and you know patriotism as defined and you know puncturing the myth is one of my recent areas, but what shocked me what you were saying is the way the venality sort of of the way these corporations these defense contractors in the industry will like play on the patriotism of their workers and up the public office. You know, how do we do this and mean it starts? It seems to me it starts in the factory floor and correct me if I'm wrong, but where they'll have. We're in the corporate offices where these guys making forty to sixty thousand a year, maybe creating the tools of War. They've got to look at the propaganda on the wall that says stuff like this is who we serve right and it's pictures of like uniform clad folks and then it goes all the way up to the Megatron home and sort of like, oh this football game halftime show brought to you by Lockheed Martin and so it goes it runs that span and you know, I guess you've already sort of talked about it, but I mean You know how this really gets lends itself to just get into the society's veins. And do you think it causes a lack of questioning does it does it's just I feel some of even just regular society's willingness to question them if they can fall back on. Hey, look we're serving the troops and and of course, we're not responsible where they do afterwards as you mentioned, right? Yeah, no doubt really nailed it and it's the propaganda. Excuse me, the propaganda that comes out of these these War corporations is is just incredible. I mean, you'll see when you go onto their website. So whether YouTube channel or you, you know talk to them they it's you know, it's a flag in the background the troops saluting there was one Corporation. The Name Escapes Me it might have been perotin. I don't know and you know on this website, it actually bragged about it actually said, you know, not only do we may serve our troops which is a common refrain among corporations corporations using the phrase our troops as if we're all on the same team as if there's no profit-making incentive, you know within the corporate office, but you know this this Corporation, you know, in addition to using the our troops thing basically said we we do we spread freedom and democracy around the world home of freedom. And so they they're they are it's really Insidious and unfortunately and I look forward to reading your book patriotic to say cuz I know touches on this and you know, really dive into it breaks it down and in in a great way, but unfortunately it's it's so pervasive and it's so so harmful and and the corporate media backs it up dead. You know, there's a reason that General Dynamics Boeing Lockheed Martin and a lot of the big ones take out advertisements and corporate media and it's precisely too long. Make sure that the you know the Sunday morning talk show doesn't talk about this stuff doesn't question and this War I mean, there's no there's no functional reason why Lockheed Martin or anybody any major war Corporation would be advertising cuz Joe Schmo who's watching the you know, this is not buying and F-35. It's not buying a you know, a General Dynamics submarine or any of this stuff. So if you are, you know, Chuck Todd, I've never you know corporate celebrity is hosting, you know, you can't go against the advertisers you simply can't and so it's one way that the that industry can find narrative within corporate media and public, you know, there are many other ways. The think tanks the job of a think tank basically And essentially is to put out information that aligns with the profit motive of who is donating or funding the think tank. So if I'm a billionaire or if I'm a were Corporation and I fund Center CS is what is at the center for strategic International Studies or what's the other one the birth center for or the new America America or any of these State they take money from the war Corporation and they put out information favorable to the were Corporation and these days that involves pushing the the great power competition quote unquote, which is basically Cold War 2.0 and you need an enemy unique Ami so, you know the war on terror lasted twenty years and it was good from any corporate perspective, but you simply cannot in the war on terror will continue it will continue but you simply cannot justify dead. The sale and purchase and production and marketing of big-ticket items, you know cyber satellites, you know submarines anti-ballistic missiles. You can't you can't justify those by pointing to a bunch of you know, at best's you know, ragtag, you know, jihadists in the Iraq during Desert, you can't so that's I firmly believe and I try to document in understanding the War Industry. I try to you know show how you need this. Enemy the enemy, you know, it it provides a justification and so they do it through corporate media and you know, they do it through the think tanks and may I also see this just wrap up. I see this play out daily in the contract announcements. It's all over the contracts and you know when you take it year by year, you know, we're about to wrap. The school year twenty-twenty it ends in at the end of September and I encourage everyone to you know, check out the contracts and the pentagon's website. It's under I think Newsroom and then contracts you go to, you know, defense.gov or whatever current you know link is and you should everyone should do that, but I understand that people are you know busy and people are hurting them in all the time. But if anybody has any time go off the website go to the pentagon's website contracts Newsroom at the end of September the the last few days because you will see in all its Glory all the Contracting activities, you know, they have Fallout money and I'm sure you've seen this, you know on the on the low scale, you know, I did in the air force of you know, every unit within the military must spend its money by the end of the fiscal year or risk losing um, such a you know, such a high amount of such a large budget in the next one. So if there's no incentive to economize there's no incentive to to reduce your budget you must log Spend it all or risk having a lower budget, you know next fiscal year. So you'll see it in the end of September the last week, especially the last two days, you know, billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars are just thrown at at the palm tree and so in general in fiscal year twenty-twenty, I hope to come out with a report on this, you know, one of processed at all in October and November. I see the trends this year. It's just the goods and services that are purchased by the Pentagon from the War Industry really are increasingly targeted targeting Russia and China, you know, you can't have or Fiber you can't have nuclear modernization new submarines National reconnaissance office in Air Force satellite launches hypersonics is a new category that never never existed in Pentagon contracts until I met this past year or the year before I think fiscal year if I remember correctly 2019 was the first time hypersonics ever showed up now research and development on new long-range missiles, you know corporate sized intelligence dog. New engine propulsion research and development under seize drones cloud computing. I mean you'll see all of this stuff is is you know going after Russia and China and not to say that necessarily the industry wants war with China. It is far more profitable right now to just demonize the ever Living Daylights out of Russia demonize the ever Living Daylights out of China, you know, and then use that demonization as a means just say hey, well Pentagon needs you huge budgets and we industry need you know, you got to purchase our goods and services because we will provide. Yeah. Sorry for the rant. No, no, this is great. I would like to follow up on something that's kind of specific that you mentioned earlier that I think relates to this and it's it's kind of like that P our side. It's kind of like that selling side, but it's this word Consulting right and that you mentioned McKinsey & Company earlier and I'm like super glad you did cuz I just have a hard on for certain like organizations and people and MacKenzie's one of them because you know, I do a lot of like Mick research and you know, one of the things I did recently or less early last year with early this year was look into Palm West Point class of eighty-six, which is Pompeo an esper screw and that was a great great. Thanks, man. I have found like way more than I expected. But like one of the things that I noticed was that so many of their classmates at some point in their career work for McKenzie and and you look down you mentioned earlier how the the mick is going to fund, right? The War Industry is going to fund both the Democrats and the Republicans now, it's just, you know thinking about people off. Top my head that I know at one point or another word from the kids and so on the Democrat side, you got mayor P right better. Mayor Pete buttigieg. You got a small price has some connection with nearly got Chelsea Clinton Peter orszag who was like this Obama OMB guy and also, oh by the way, you mentioned think tanks is a brook and stood and then of course you got Bobby Jindal former Republican candidate and my friend and yours Tom slavery was a necessary evil, right? So you got both sides who have some connection to Mackenzie. And so I guess my question is, you know, General sense MacKenzie's interesting in a general sense. What do consultants, you know do and and where does this Consulting aspect fit into what you might as well call the Consulting and soft skill complex, but where does that fit into the broader picture that you study great question great question, so Until I would say the turning point in the daily Pentagon contracts was the quote unquote audit of the Pentagon you off at the end of what was it must have been the end of fiscal year 2019. So the Pentagon I mean this has been well documented. The Pentagon was year after year is not in compliance with federal law because federal law required I think since the 90s that every every Department undergoes an audit and the Pentagon was always yeah. Yeah, we'll get around to get around it. So eventually wage I think it was under when Leon Panetta was was in charge. He I mean the man was brilliant and all the all the evil ways. He really he was very creative. He were very, you know, friendly avuncular and he was he he steered the Pentagon well from the from the pentagon's perspective and he agreed to do the eye and so the audit was just dead. It was basically. All right, we the Pentagon we the US armed forces are not going to conduct the audit. We will hire Consultants to come in, Typically the big what do you call those the big Financial firms? So the likes of pricewaterhousecoopers KPMG and and loss so they'll come in and they'll do the audit for us. Now the audit was I think it was Pat Shanahan who the former was here a Fiat. Where did you always bowing out for Boeing executive who then became Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of War depending on your your perspective? He said famously. Yeah. We you know, we didn't pass the audit but we never expect the past month. So it was designed just sort of like to show was a it was a show of, you know compliance from the beginning and after that I saw off. More and more of these consulting firms coming in not just the the big Financial the big for financial firms which by the way not just they don't just sell off services to the Pentagon. They sell all sorts of advisory. But after that I see so, you know more and more of these consulting firms come in. So to answer your question, sorry for the for the set up here off to sort of get that, you know, get that history laid out to answer your question. Your question was what are the what do they do? You know, what are these consultant do and the answer is worth everything that the generals should be doing and in in typical corporate fashion, they they create new categories of profit and that which they then say. Hey the Pentagon you want us to do this and pentagon's like yeah. Sure, So for example one November 2019, and I'm just looking at this fiscal year 2020 in other examples, you know from other fiscal years, but this is illustrative so khong AutoZone on Hamilton one November 2019 strategic Workforce analysis planning and management Provide support services to strategic workforce planning and Analysis initiatives to support career managers and organizational talent. I mean just it's it's corporate BS at its finest you have I don't know how to pronounce this one dell Deloitte. It's one of the big ones and I always save a lot but I don't know if I'm her Deleo. I don't know if I'm saying it right but they will it's it's the lawyer and and I might classmates of mine who I love and respect have worked for them. Right just like, you know, cuz I mean it's an important point, right? That's how pervasive it is. Go ahead. Yes. No, no, that's and that's great too. That's great to point out because you know, as we as we touched upon, you know, if you're if you're just doing it in the nitty-gritty on a day-to-day and you're focusing on your task, you really don't believe that you're part of the problem in a lot of these things, you know, if you're just get you know, you're making ends meet and you're just, you know, you know a contractor for one of these one of these firms so long You say was Delhi Odell. What was it? Deloitte is a lawyer think it's a lighter. Yeah, so that's a lot but I'm pretty sure so you'll have something like, uh any of these under secretary and Deputy undersecretary in and and assistant Deputy under secretary positions love this stuff. So, you know that Corporation will be you know, 17 Jun 2020 advisory and assist services to support the deputy assistant Secretary of the Air Force office of business transformation and deputy chief management officer in managing and improving strategic transformation initiatives at the Enterprise level. It's it's it's nonsense, you know, if if the generals and Admirals cannot do their own paperwork, if they cannot make these calls if they cannot do analysis. What are you doing? What are you doing? What what purpose you are? You are a you know a barnacle on the on the keister of the you know, what should be a functioning, you know, military Boston Consulting Group out of birth. Which contracts out of pathetic Maryland on Twenty One November 2019 cost transparency to facilitate the design of an optimized maintenance program to include design of governing governance processes of the reliability control board, you know, it's just like, you know, same Corporation thirteen April 2020 support. Chief managing office assessing at least 90% of annual spending implementing and training to increase departments efficiency speed. I mean, it's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. This is stuff that should not be not only should not be, you know, given to the corporate sector. This is stuff that you as a as a competent flag officer should either be doing as part of your daily work or you know, I don't do it like some of the stuff is just, you know, creative categories that Corporate America comes up to and then just then just pitches. Yeah, it's really It's very frustrating to see on the daily, but it's also frustrating to see the you know on the macro when you're looking at it over the course of you know, an entire fiscal year. And this is money again. I cannot stress this enough. This is money that they're only X dollars that go around as you guys know, and as you have pointed out very well on this podcast before they're only X dollars that go around and everything that is going into not just these the consultative class not just you know, the local Beltway Bandits, but the the broader War Industry could be it should be going elsewhere to actual National Security actual National Security wage, you know Healthcare homelessness hunger. These are actual National Security issues not whether you know, some clown entrepreneur, you know, I don't know consultant, you know can get, you know, get his cookies doing I don't know analysis and advisory and assistance. So that was a great question. Thank you for that. I really do that was great. Yeah. No, I mean I I'm glad that you I love that. You actually went back to like read off what they say. They do right? I mean cuz it's so instructive and this idea that off the generals in the senior officers have just obviated themselves responsibility is is huge and something that really ties into that whole idea of just in general the substitution of contractors for you know for green suitors as we used to say and showing how it goes beyond pumping the porta potties and fueling the trucks, right? It goes to the top level then like enter the consultancy and so complex. I should I should quickly point out though that one of the real pernicious Trends lately, especially when the last two years is policy a corporation get hired to advise on policy in many of these offices now policies the last place that a profit motivated corporate entity should be sticking its nose because you can't you know, yep. Obviously going to get as a result. The recommendation will be hey, you know, you got to hire more Consultants or hey, you know, you gotta you know contract with this Corporation or that Corporation. There's no incentive to arrest the wars. There's no incentive. The the self-licking ice cream cone as many of these, you know, any of the my betters in some of these really Progressive, you know think tank nothing. Thanks, but you know crackly, you know was it's you know Pogo project on government oversight or you know, all those great great groups that really analyze as well. No, they pointed this out. That's it's yeah. So I just had to add that policy is is is increasingly being shoved off into the corporate sector and that is the last thing that should ever be there. I mean, it's dead. Yeah terrible. Fulfills, I think that is a good place for us to wrap it up today Christian. Will you let the listeners know where they can keep up with your ongoing work? Sure, First of all, thank you all for your time. This was I really appreciate it and thank you for all the hard work you all do you you know, you all were at the edge Vanguard the Forefront of progressive thought being in among not just veterans, but you know, you know the public at large and many thanks to Clarity press publishing understanding the War Industry. You can find it at your local Bookshop. Please order through their you know, as a last-ditch thing as you can get it through Amazon, but please support your local. Your local Bookshop. My website is ibp offices, and I might Twitter at CP underscore Sorensen s o r e n s e n. And if you don't mind if you all have time may may I ask you all a question they shoot go for you so. How do you so we're in the middle of you know, the Empire we're in the middle of the Beast and you know, the Beast is it's on its decline but it's it's flailing and it's hurting hurting not just the people, you know within the United States. You don't get you know, the necessary attention from the government in terms of you know, programs of social uplift, but you know, the victim's overseas wage across, you know, War zones, you know, not just the Middle East but in Latin America Central America South East Asia, so we're in the middle of this beast and you know, it's hard to sneak positive and it's hard to it's hard to to live well and I'm not saying, you know live well as in like, you know, a you know, a luxurious lifestyle, but how do how does one whether civilian or veteran live? Well healthily mentally physically socially inside of inside of the Beast. Henry I'll jump in first that's cool because like typically which is not always good for my mental health I jump on the radio in about 10 minutes in DC to talk some of this stuff. Well, I love that question a Christian. I think I'm a good person and the worst person answered all at once. I did not live well for quite a long time both in uniform and then especially when I first got out, I mean just just there was too much, you know, I mean beyond the only go to my own diagnosis of mental health, I think more of it was what you're saying. It's just the overwhelming feeling of inadequacy and futility fighting the Empire, you know, whether you know a podcast and a pen. So to speak has always felt a little paltry that said from a you know, existentialist kamu perspective as I am want to talk about, you know, there's this idea that even in, Georgia Absurd universe that doesn't mean that we can fall back on nihilism and that you know, like Sisyphus pushing the boulder we have to imagine him happy right in the struggle itself is worth it. Now, that sounds pretty pie in the sky but in the lived experience, I think I finally sort of accepted that I can do what I can do and that's about it and knowing full well that you know what Bobby Kennedy called the ripples of Hope a small number a small axe by a large number of people can make a big difference but I'll say this I'm a big Christopher Hitchens fan despite being dead to me for a long time for supporting the Iraq War but it's brilliant dude the late reservations and he talks about how the dissidents like in Eastern Europe and stuff. They had this concept under communism under totalitarianism. They called it as if and the as if culture was the I'm going to live as if I live in a free state right? I'm going to perform as if and it became this home. Culture and it was this kind of also kind of ridiculous but beautiful thing and I think that the best most of us are in this fight can do is live as if we live in a society that is not play going off or ISM live as if what we're doing is going to have a profound effect and that may sound like an imaginatory sort of thing. But even the anarchists believe that we can't expect people to fight for society that they have not seen or begun to live for and so I think that's important. It's it's helped me as again crazy and philosophical sounds and I'll tell you like you mentioned earlier. Most people are just paid paycheck-to-paycheck and looking for those five minutes to breathe at the end of the day and expecting them to read off my sometimes five thousand word articles or go to the websites. We tell them to can be tough. But man I'll tell you A five or ten minutes a day of research and thinking about this and you know one small dog A week or a month or even a year from millions of people can make some sort of difference because damn what what tools do we have besides stopping traffic in the streets, which is of course where I think is Charles and so that was the longest rant ever that may not answer your question. You said it all I could think about was as if and I just always want to excuse to talk about it. So I did great. Thank you. I think my ongoing journey to find peace will say is some kind of like this. Did you guys see the Kevin Costner movie The Guardian few years ago about a rescue swimmers? No, unfortunately not so great movies is as far as you know military totally movies, but it is it is an amazing film. They did a really good job with it off. But at one point in the movie actually features in it, too and he's the Protege to Costner's long suffered a rescue swimmer. He's done it his whole life and he got sent to the sense of old school house to deal with an injury. And anyways, they end up with the same station part way through the movie and he asked and asked Costner. He says how do you decide you know, if it's nice out there in the water and you had no that you have X amount of time to save three people and you know, you could only save one. How do you choose how do you decide who lives and dies essentially and he said well, you know, a lot of other guys might have different ideas about it, but mine goes like this he says I swim as hard as I can for as long as I can and the Sea takes the rest. And that's you know, kind of my acknowledgement of understanding that even you know, being disabled, you know having issues in my life. That way I can still be a positive force that I can still learn and grow and create and but also an acknowledgement that even in trying to help even in the even in the drops in the bucket that I acknowledge that I still have to take care of myself. And so there's times where you know ahead of a really bad headache comes up on me and I can't keep reading the book whatever I'm reading whatever article or subject and I have to put it down and I have to take a nap or I have to do something that requires a lot less brain power, but I know that I'm still moving forward towards that ultimate goal. The other part is the is a recognition of who the good guys are when I was a kid when I was growing up. When I first read the military, I believe that the military could be a net force for good in the world overall and there's never been an Army in existence or military in existence that has had anything close to that. It's just not the reality right but there are some people out there trying to fight against the the illegality of RS taking War all over the planet. And those are the people that I say are the good guys those guys that even be going through the most horrific things in the world if there happened to be living in a country where America is dropping bombs that they hold their loved ones tight and they try to keep going the best they can. I I think that's that's all a person can really do. That's huge. That's that's some wisdom right there. I really thank you for that. I really appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. That's actually that's a perfect spot to end on to you know, I think so. I I agree with you so person thank you so much again for being here. I hope that we'll have you want again every month lease quote and pick up Christians amazing book understanding the War Industry. You said it said Clarity, press correct? Correct Clarity press and we'll make sure we have a link of the show notes. 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News AF | Fake Coronavirus Cures are News AF  Mar 10, 2020

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News AF | Fake Coronavirus Cures are News AF Mar 10, 2020

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Yes that's right news af here and we are live here on Monday night to talk about all of this big news stories from the week year with our news AF team here with us very excited to bring in without a hat for almost never the with the happened not on his head Tyson fossils. Just I'm great. I just wanted to show off my new haircut for those still wondering about it but I also have a hat on standby if I feel. My confidence is waning in my hair style. Yeah but it looks good. Looks Good looks enough take? My hair is for a forty year old. Yeah no luscious. I'd love to run my hands through that. Dare I say I think I I. I like it the short hair better. Odu Yeah I do. You're not you're not alone but we'll have to put it to a pole at some point and now the man was the long hair on podcast. Dante Breath dammit. To be me I have an emergency -mergency. Hatay you have an emergency hat to you Gordon. By just in case things GET OUT OF CONTROL HAIR. Starts Poking me in the eyes start chewing on it accidentally? Yeah I got the hat there. Yeah it does happen. I keep a hat and almost any any room I might be in throughout the day. Yeah how we how we know how. There's only one orifice. They can accept a hat and has called the Jimmy. Okay okay all right. Let's not explore that with with Danny and so we had a lot of news stories here today. This is a big breaking news. Show of a lot of things that are going on in the world here to cover on News Af and I think we're GonNa talk a lot about the corona virus because I think that while it's a very serious new story. There's a lot of stupid news that is coming out of the world of the Corona virus will be tackling that here today. Danny are you. Are you good with that grinding? My teeth actually has biting my inner cheek as we started talking about it. Yes demonstration buildings a little hence tonight is on. Yeah he does I think. Watch corona virus. Oh Oh did you see his job? Flex Yeah it definitely does. I grind my teeth. Chew my inner cheek when you talk about. This is tough. We'll talk to me about this because Danny that it's not the the the virus itself that's concerning to you. What is it the the the response reaction? Yes the reaction. The Toilet Paper. The water the fistfights over resources. Yeah she's out of hand. It's getting out of hand and I feel like and I've seen other people say this that the panic is worse probably for most people than the disease itself now is the disease real. Is this virus real of course yet and it will affect lots of people and a lot of people will will affect an very adverse way but right now. Should we be panicking? No because we're only making things worse and it's just so embarrassing to see it gives you a taste of the end times when you see something like this so when the real thing comes you'll know exactly what to expect from the human race. Okay so this is like a drill. Danny yeah this is like that drill where you're like. Everyone's going to exit the room and orderly fashion. But what you discover is that everyone's pushing down the old people using the children to smash the windows open and like fleeing for their lives without a care in the world for anybody else themselves Tyson. Are You prepped at your house? Now but I don't care too care okay. Well I mean I actually have been left alone with the children for like four or five days and today we ran out of toilet paper in the girls room so I walked over to where we keep toilet paper and was just like should I be stocking up on toilet. Paper is it edible. Why is it so toilet? Paper scissors that goal of the future. Yeah I always thought it was going to be cigarettes or twinkies or something you know forever. Twinkies has been going on flying off the shelves Dyson. So that Ben. I saw a news article about that. Okay so that's correct. Toilet paper is going to be the currency of the future. And I'm going to need even that Nice. Anyways names are wet wipes also going gone. I was telling my kid those are those are gone for different reasons. Not For those were the first to go. I think okay so toilet. Paper is the fall back. Yeah that's that's a fallback interesting. Wh-why more utilitarian right. Now you gotta read his bookie Teaser Toilet Paper on the end of your arm. Yeah according to play the Big Toilet Pepper Toilet Sharma's Sharman has somehow escalated toilet paper to the number one top of the list thing to buy in this pandemic win. It should actually be something else. Heat alight or Turkey Jerky Yeah Danny. This is interesting because on the walking dead they really never explored this subplot where you know you never saw like a big fights over you know like the Costco Toilet paper. Yeah they could have ever in a million years. The writers could not have imagined that that would be the focal point or the ignition. Point of absolute chaos people fighting over toilet. Pick night I get it. We all love the idea of paper right. The Alternative is disgusting But I just don't understand why the virus is going to somehow make it impossible for the average person to get to the paper. I think that the concern here is that you might not be able to get it. Might because the store will be closed right. That's the whole idea. But if we get to that point where stores are closed toilet paper. I really feel like things are going to be a lot worse than you know. Absence of toilet paper If an Amazon's GONNA BE CRUSHING IT. I Bet I could get on right now. And by a trillion brawls to Amazon in the robot age right because robot robot delivery systems would be great right now. Drone deliveries would be huge. Everybody was like no pun intended pooh-poohing the drone deliveries Danny people would be Signing up for drone delivery right now. Oh Yeah I mean it could give all of us what we need with robots in the factories. They've got robots delivering no human touch required. Except the places where actually make stuff get? Oh my God yes. Tyson quilted northern ultra soft and strong toilet paper out of stock on Jesus currently and are are you kidding. Me Schreibman ultra soft cushy touch toilet one ply Tyson. They sell the one ply. I found some okay. Bye Bye to fourteenth. Yeah now it'll be too late way. Yeah it'll be too late. You'll be dead by Dan now. You'll be dead Scotty. Central Professional one hundred percent recycled fiber bulk toilet paper for business. Duck is if you can't go to the store to buy toilet paper a month away. Probably don't have people working at the sanitation department to keep the sewage flowing. You know what I mean. It's just at that level of shutdown. I just can't imagine all the other things that I can't imagine the internetworking if nobody's at the stores nobody's making deliveries. Why would the Internet work? Why would a lot band providers out there fixing hardware failure and it's just come on get eighty rolls of two ply for fifty dollars is a way good deal? That's by the way rob in an Tyson. This disease almost doesn't affect children under the age of ten at all so really the solution is we have a group of individuals who are completely impervious to the disease that we can put to work. Yes he deliveries to send the children off to the workforce. Exactly get them. Working in the stores are closed. Yeah gets a work experience. None of them can get sick. There's probably millions of them and no parent wants them around while they're sick so it's like leave the adults to die on their own but send the kids out to take care of all of these needs wow so place to store shady rolls of toilet paper You're going to have to make accommodations dude. You're going to have to maybe get rid of that outdoor TV of yours for real. Sell it to get some guy to build you a shed for just totally. Yeah that's smart very smart okay. Well let's talk about some of the people that are getting misinformation out there because we're we're taking this very seriously but there are some people that are providing others with a bad information. People are trying to take advantage of others and are trying to give people the wrong idea. Selling things like quick fixes and cures and ways to prevent the disease. And we're always going to be fighting against those scammers. Danny Yeah we're we're no scientists but we. We can't fight against fake news. I mean we're not real diseases but at least fake news. We also write a book like we were scientists and get it published. Yeah or start a TV show and half curious that are not scientific but anyway go ahead. Yeah so there are of course that we talk about constantly about how the Internet and Youtube can be a bad source of medical information. There are some people on facebook twitter instagram and tick tock that are prescribing few different cures for the corona virus which include things like garlic bleach and even cocaine gay garlic not a bad one enough garlic and no one will get near you so it could be used as a deterrent or kind of like social isolation while out in about yeah put it around your neck so you so you wear garlic and not only will award of vampires but nobody will want to come into contact. Yes yes so. They won't get close enough to you but garlic is also does boost the immune system naturally supposedly. I don't want to. I'm not a doctor over here. But that is what I've always heard clorox. I don't think you're allowed to put that on. Let's go back. Let's just make this very clear. Garlic will not cure you of now. Virus okay correct. Yeah so on. Facebook there are some places where people are warning. People are telling people that by drinking bleach. That is something that you can use to combat the getting the virus. Well this is why this is the last week. Seventy eight trillion. People died of drinking bleach. Three Corona bleach guarantees the virus. Because it'll get you sent to the hospital. Where you there you will come. We'll get that is true. So it guarantees. Can I think bleed drinking bleach? If depending on the amount is definitely up pretty strong death sentence. Yeah right definitely do not do definitely do not drink bleach barley. I like to think that the news AF listeners are smart enough to know that they should not drink bleach. I think anyone who's ever smelt bleach. Where that is not something you consume. So how about this? People are hearing on social media that cocaine will counteract coveted nineteen Tyson. I think it will count the symptoms feeling the effects of the disease But the disease will still very much be running rampant coursing through your veins. I know when I'm coming down with the flu because all consume four hundred milligrams of caffeine and still feel like life is hit with a sledgehammer. But it's just kind of like what you do when you're sliding down like I need to pick me up. My usual drink isn't doing it. How about a little cocaine? And that's how you make Coca Cola with cocaine. Yeah so why wouldn't I try that? So cocaine might be a great way to know that. You're actually falling ill if you need cocaine as a pick me up because you're feeling crummy just go to the hospital because you probably have it ties and do you think that big cocaine is trying to put this rumor out there. Yeah I went to COSCO and all. The cocaine was tried to buy a pallet of cocaine and it was gone. So what a shame. You know. There's another one. I heard that even if they are in stock. You can only buy one pallet at a time per membership. Sure so a major bummer. Cosco this week ice swear to God. I almost saw fistfight between two people where somebody was like. They make you a single file to get into the back part of the store where they have toilet paper and there was a there was a woman that she accused the guy of rolling over her foot on purpose and then she told the guy. You don't even know how to push the cart and he said you know what I what I know how to do. They really got he saw this. Yeah yeah this is this. Why did you choose the side like mess? It sounds like Berlin. Nineteen forty five like people get their ration cards standing out there while the world's falling apart there's GonNa somehow suck the color out of everything we have so it's just like Dr Gray. Nope we need to talk about another another thing. I've seen the several articles about the televangelists. Who Selling a hundred and twenty five dollar bottles of Silver Solution? Yeah can you talk about that? Danny I'm not sure I was mostly drawn with you. I still give silver solution. What you'll silver is a thing. Supposedly does kill some bacterial okay Tyson. No sounds like he has a sex dust and I think even like some athletic companies do lion their clothing with some type of silver to keep them from stinking and killing those stinky bacteria's so there is something to the silver but I also don't think that that's the route you should take. I think just try your hardest not to get sick. Yeah I feel like a far be for televangelist to take advantage of people for money but Yeah the silver solution yet. Just sounds okay so I have this. This is from the pastor Jim Baker. He has a silver solution. That can kill the corona virus with twelve hours. Here is a clip of him from the from from pitching this on Chris. And you said doctor you know. Pastor Past Oh pastor that is now circling the globe. You're saying that silver solution would be effective. Well let's say it hasn't been tested on this strain of the corona virus but it's been tested on other strange of the corona virus and a has been able to eliminate it within twelve hours. Totally dominated kills it deactivates. It and this is why I grind mitee system so then you can support the recovery because when you kill the virus then the immune system comes into action to clear it out so you want a vibrant immune system right the one hundred twenty five dollars. This is why the inside of my cheek is raw. Holly is correct here. Silver helps kill some bacteria but not viruses say backed IRA rationale again. I don't know Holly's background. I'm not a doctor. Danny's not a doctor. Rob Are you Dr. No no say so. Your wife is the best thing. The best thing to do is ask. I mean you could have probably. Nicole asked the doctor that presides over her Abaza nurse to tell us what to do okay. That's the most offensive thing you can ask a nurse to do. Tell her ask the doctor ask the Doctor. Not GonNa do that. So in Florida we gotta check in on. What's going on in Florida? The Florida Police Department has offered as a service to the community. A Floridians they are offering to check Floridians Crystal Meth for free to make sure that it does not contain any traces of the corona virus. They just like to have a good time. You know they sure do the last thing they did this with This is something that happens here and there and actually it probably will work. They probably will capture a lot of methods with this method. Hold on what's The trickier day. Are you saying that maybe cocaine or Crystal Methamphetamine potentially is the cure for this and that it is trying to get you to come in and turn it over. They can have the cure. Oh Yeah that actually would be smart to hoard it for themselves. Yeah no makes sense. All right I can't think of any other reason so that must be it. Yeah ties to. Where did you take your hardcore drugs to get checked? Always the police station. Yes this is always go to the police station. This is from the Atlantic Beach Police Department. They said if you've recently purchased cocaine meth heroin or any other street drugs locally it may be contaminated with Corona virus. Please bring the drugs into the police department. We will test them for free. If you're not comfortable coming to the Police Department we will send it officer to your house and they will test your illegal drugs in the privacy of your home. Please spread the word spreading not a great word to use. They'll catch people. This is going to be effective digging. Jails are going to be full of Corona's infected people soon enough. Yeah wow good okay all right you WANNA YOU. WanNa take a break from Danny chance to recover. Take try not to touch my face. Yeah talking about it hard. How did you not touch your face? All I WANNA do all days touch my face. He do. It's the only thing is sexy. No Yeah I mean. There's so many things to do with your face. My is always it especially when I think about it. My Lips are chapped. Boogers to pick their stuff in my ears. It's like how do you not touch your face? You'd be like a monk like a trained monkey not touching my face right now. Yeah it's easy right now because you know we're being he watch camera people watching but think about it when you're at home all the face touching you do Other people's basis well. Maybe I don't lie to hate when people touch my face drives me insane but touching my own face all this current advisor talk has just making me. WanNa touch my face. Well what did he put like hot sauce on your hands Danny? I thought about that I thought about wearing the surgical gloves because the feeling to be gross right or they say that's why a Lotta people wear. The mask is so they don't touch their face because the mass doesn't do a lot. I guess and protecting you from airborne stuff so there are ways. I could also come up with the vices. I touch my face with like like hand. Scratch your back. Scratcher THE SCRATCHERS. That has been used or like that. Just be as dirty. If you're shaking hands with the hand scratch Rono non this situation giant cue tips. You know so. There are other things I could use but man it's just that's one of the hardest things every time. I read about the disease. I just want to touch my face. Can you tell me in your lifetime? Danny what the scariest disease is for you that you've ever as we've gone through this forty year all of us forty years except for you to our forty one right. Yeah the scariest disease the scariest one where you're like. Oh my God. We're all dying or that that that you were scared to get that you were like this is it. This is the end. This is the one. Oh my gosh not disease but when I had my kidney stones that her wow. We've talked about that well. I didn't think I would die. But it's definitely the most painful thing I've ever had but disease wise lives through some pretty scary shit Is it is it scary. I mean what are you thinking about? We lived through the AIDS for AIDS first. Started coming out when we were kids like into the public eye. Ebola one where? You don't know what to do with that then. There was SARS. There was swine flu. There was bird-flu. There was was the Bulla one. The one that made the resurgence because he below yet. There were to abolish scares. There's one earlier. Like pre. Two thousand made a resurgence a few years ago. Yeah giving every line but a lot of them are easy to ignore because they happen in faraway places for the most part. Yeah like a bull. I unless I'm in the Congo or where nobody bull made it to the US. To Dude. I know and by the way I read a story recently about a woman who has ordered self quarantine that may have had a bola and this just shows how horrible and selfish stupid humans are. And why there's no way you can contain stuff like this. She was ordered to self quarantine after coming back from Africa where she was a nurse treating people with the MOLA and instead of self quarantine she was ordered she went to a concert and then when they said they're just like a local concert a show something where a lot of people do. This is a woman who saw people ravaged by Ebola. The scariest disease I can think of. And she didn't even have the decency to quarantine threatened to sue the state because then they ordered her to stay home. And it's just you can't stop people from wanting to go out and do what they wanted to do at the cost of everybody else. Yeah we also have Zeka mad cow disease. I'm seeing these coming in. There's a lot of them and this one is scarier because it seems like well. I don't know if it's scarier. But is his being hoarded. Scarier definitely made. It seem like the boogeyman. The cranked it up to a level eleven. But it's yet to be seen exactly how terrifying. Obviously the thought of not having to other paper during this time is more terrifying areas these itself. Yeah okay all right. Well let's move on. Let's change the subject for you. Look at our tents Danny as you can see the veins in his forehead. Yeah those are always there. Yeah thank goodness. You're not still eating hot soup right now. The OH I mean. That's why stopping the hot soup. The transference of diseases really. Why did you start then? Well at the time. I was a carefree young naive man. Yeah you could just with all the hot suny yeah. The day of hot soup is over. Yes all right. That's the next thing they need to shut down anyway. So there's a new dating site that's a that's a becoming very popular. The website is called. Dinky one Oh tell me more. Sign me up. It is for men that have smaller penises. Now this is gonNA go horribly bad. Lie 'cause you just get a guy with a regular size penis on their signing up and all the sudden he's the dude with the giant is on the whole website. Yup that's what's that's what's going on here Tyson. Yeah it was all just a scam to get information from people who might be ashamed and then using it against them for money. That's a good idea. That's good too but I don't think you have to post pictures any name on the list. I guess so I guess so. So youth is so this is now average. Joe Is going on here Tyson or just or just barely below average barely below average Joe and that he is the big fish in the little pond. So does yeah yeah. He's likely incentive for doing this. Why get inside? It's for people. It's for people who prefer a smaller Phallus Danny Danny. Remember how you were always like when we were growing up? You're like I wish my was smaller and you're like well it's a curse and a blessing you know and even still isn't like that fake back story. It's pretty big. Ego Booster but seriously how many people have signed up for this site. Is this broke? It says tens of thousands of twenty eight thousand people are on. What's so you have to take a picture of European next to a quarter twenty percent of the people. There are female seventy one percent male and two percent trans on on the site. Pretty good numbers. I would have expected to be like ninety seven percent male three percent female. Addison Yeah exactly that thirty percent female those either thoughts or their mail. Yeah okay These are for people who enjoy the smaller man. More as they tend to compensate for size with additional skills such as more experience in other areas. Dan In bigger trucks bigger bigger truck. Sir. Sports cars any more see Quinn's on their genes okay. I don't know I don't know if that's true. I don't think that all of a sudden just give you got a tiny pain that all of a sudden you're just the most amazing person at four play that translates well. You can check that out at you. Check IT OUT. Check it out. That's true I can sign up as one of those women. Dinky one DOT com. You can register for free to imagine typing in my browser. I opened it up. Knock-kneed I'm window. Let seats cheaper worse. Worse I just feel like a crime but it's like does feel thirty Rom. Yeah I get all sorts of facebook and that oh I see you visited these small penis dating website now that that would be pictures of small penises ads that would be endless. Sidebar would be filled with tiny I mean growth enhancement instead of face masks which would be an improvement by the way. Yeah okay all right so. This is a website for people that are here. They're interested they're more. Faq that there is a press kit for anybody who wants to interview the people behind the Dinky one. We can interview them. Tyson bed lame for this website. Right the dinky wanting one dot com. Yeah I think you could do something to cooler like like the flesh pencil. It was like the younger. The UNGAVA beyond girthy sounds like a sweet heavy metal song. Yeah but no. No articles have been posted to the block. They could be. That's the that's the beauty of the blog is that there could be one size doesn't matter dot com side better probably taking. Oh it's not the size of the guys. It's the motion of the ocean. Something cool like that. Yeah that sounded cool okay. That on the T. Shirt you can put your email address. Join for free. So let's let us know of any of our listeners. Know Yeah if you could we will be providing free extra content for anybody who becomes a member Tinky one reports back to us the dinky one dot com. Yeah so how about this story about? We Love Animal News here on news and we love animal news about people that eat with their animals. That Tyson San Francisco McDonalds. A homeless man appears to be sitting next to a decomposing raccoon at a McDonald's like a dead one. Yeah don't love that. That's definitely a high health code violation. You want to get back to the corona virus. You're asking me if I would rather sit next to decay in raccoon or someone who was coughing. That's tough that's a tough tough call. Yeah I think he could be. Say you'd be safer sitting to the decaying. That's what I think I agree. Yeah I take the raccoon. Yeah Yeah I did touch my face twice because I know the tears from my eyes crazy dude. I need to touch violent my hands. I'm in my bathroom this time as a buffer to my children. Yeah smart so anyways. I'd like to know the backstory of this raccoon. Well the other or maybe have mounted if you can. If you're taking pets into McDonalds you gotta leave him out on the patio. You're not allowed to bring them inside unless it's a service animal right. How do we know this isn't his service? Dead Raccoon strew. You think he flies with this thing to probably do come on. He goes everywhere with this Raccoon this yeah this service raccoon. He's got papers for for sure yeah. Those are sixty dollars on the Internet. I just I think that you get. This is also corona virus tactic is. He doesn't get six carries his dead raccoon around which gives you like garlic. It's like a buffer. No one wants to sit next to this guy. That's smart yeah. Do you think Tyson that he was going to pull the scam where he was Got like a big Mac and this was in my burger. Sure sorted this big Mac daddy such thing what is this appears to my pulled out my fries. I pulled out my friends insured. I ate some and then underneath the fries. This entire raccoon was the entire rotting raccoon. Yeah how could you not see that back there while you were frying? The fries. Tyson live H. Wants to know what if the service raccoon lady came to MacDill. The service raccoon guy is. I swore I'd Never Do Service. Horse Lady again. Did Rachel make you swear like Tyson? Getting carried away. No I was in my head as I was doing. It was like nails on a chalkboard so I was like if this is bothering me. This bad I can't even imagine doing to our listeners. I'm pretty sure a service Pony Lady. Fantasy cain raccoon guy totally different totally different mentality. That's not even yeah. They're going to deny anywhere near each other Germs how they approach their animal. Not at all okay all right. Let's see you want to hear about the worst passenger of the week. We haven't done this for a little while. Yes yeah okay. Worst airline passenger of the week there was some dramatic video which was captured aboard a Thai Airways flight where a woman went on a rampage started deliberately coughing on flight attendants because she was upset over a delay during a corona virus check. Yeah checking for that. They use a thermal imaging camera. Don't they check your own flu? Okay that makes sense good. I WanNa say that's what they did for the bird flu. You know what she's probably going to get prosecuted for war crimes because she is a biohazard like this. This is not. You can't do this in this day and age. I don't believe that this woman actually sick doesn't matter it's like just the thought of it. It's you can't can't do that you can't intentionally infect people know that this is. This is the worst person ever. I was telling. Tyson pre show about a woman on a bus who sneezed directly on. My face. Didn't make any attempt to block or sneeze. This is a long time ago. Yes and because no not on purpose but she did is. We don't know there was a sheen of her spittle all over my face. I'm telling you from a foot away. She sneezed directly. I can still feel the missed all over my face. Did you say anything? No I did not say anything. Look out passive aggressive Danny. As he probably somehow knows where she lives now is just waiting to strike back when the moment is right. Now wait until I get corona virus going to her house. No no no you're right I just condemn that. That's a that's a war crime so no. I won't be doing that and by the way I didn't want to say anything because one there was a language barrier too. I was a foreigner. A the only foreigner in a bus filled with local people. What kind of an it was in Peru Peru okay? Is that a Peruvian custom. Maybe Danny. Yeah well maybe a cultural thing but man. It was a lot of stuff on my face. Did it smell I I all I can fill as the wetness like even now if I close my eyes I can go back in time and feel that the moisture the fine mist going on and the look on her face like nothing had happened. Yeah it was right there. Maybe you were visible in that moment. Where some reasons women sneeze in your face in Peru and then and then. What was the next step so both of us? We were in a in a buzz so tightly packed with people that in her defense there was little she could do. She was holding onto the bar with one hand and holding onto stuff with the other right so she could have done this thing. You know coughing your arm but door. Meanwhile I'm packed in a seat like this basically on like a prison transport and you should have given her your seat. There's not much I can do so if I remember correctly I kind of my face. You know with the Sleeve of my shirt. Yeah and then. We all just sat in that bus for another thirty minutes. You know pretending like that had not just happened. Did anybody recognize it? Like did you make eye contact with anybody? Who is like? Oh my God that just happened. Nobody cared everybody was probably just hating their life out for more from her from your face was she when. Shawl foot and a half to she was right there. She could look into my eyes and see the veins in my eyeballs eighteen. Like three dinky ones do. Yeah three generous. Deeds away ordine core. Dink's away from my face Four Generous Dink's away from my face. Now she has no regrets. She probably doesn't even remember it. And here you are scarred for. Decades later wins. She wins she win. I've obsessed over that sneeze for years. She's gone on with their life to do great things but I can never forget the sneeze. So yeah she wins. Yeah wow well remember. Remember her face like if you saw her again. Would you Lineup Oh heck no now. She's free and clear. Okay all right. Let's do an update on a story. From a couple of months ago it ties. You remember the person that was doing the viral blue bell ice cream licking challen. Yeah they get the death penalty. They should they should that. He's getting close to three strikes. A this person will now have to scratch my face guys. Okay you're fine thirty days in jail not enough. Yeah especially with the corona virus and everything. Now I make an example of this years in jail. Yeah yeah to thirty years fines. Also was. It'd be thirty days in two thousand dollars. Yeah so I think that this is not the first person that did it. I think that there was a woman who did it. And then this guy was a copycat but I think that he ended up getting the book thrown at them. Yeah yeah he was the person he went to the pint of ice cream he lifted and put it back in the Freezer. So gross and yeah. It's what would you rather have Danny have to be forced to watch someone lick the top tier of ice cream and then either scuba ice cream or have someone sneeze in your face only not but five or six dink's away. Oh my gosh dude. That's further back. Danny only lasts jinx. Yeah well these are like the smaller things. Not just in my mind. I think that I can eat around the lick so probably the lick Here's what a new strategy for me will be you guys ready ready. Yes take the ice cream by it. Get it at home flip. It ejected all from the canister flip it upside down in the cancer. And don't eat the bottom inch or Tyson. Why not get you like that rob? That is good. That's smart wire cheese cutters. Yeah just not off the top off. Boom yeah the snake. Wow Dude a anybody. Here representing the Sloth terrarium today. Because I just had. Your idea is actually a product. My ideas just needs to be trademark technique as a technique. Yeah but let's go back to the story rob. I feel like you haven't told US everything. Well Danny I wanted to know. Does it bother you that this person is going to go serve thirty days jail time for that but the guy that we talked about last week that was the hot soup bar? Taster is roaming the streets. Well I mean there's of things going on between these two cases but I feel like thirty days in two thousand dollars is pretty harsh. Yeah here's what I was saying. It's too much but I'm saying that's pretty harsh. Here's what you could do. Well I think in this day and age not to be too insensitive but these people like this. There's a way to these people out if you're hot soup tastes in bar and then as the next guy comes and ladles up. Somebody's eventually GONNA get some type of sickness. Also this person. I think that they are paying the price because that the original young woman that did it was a teenager. She charged as an adult. Why couldn't they charge her as an adult dude? Make an example now. She was charged as an adult. So this guy is a thirty six year old man. They threw the book at this guy. You know maybe we should approach it like dad to find their kids back cigarettes. We make that guy. Eat all that boiling hot soup right in there. Like do you believe this. You'RE GONNA initiate and pay for it too. Oh Yeah Yeah for sure has to pay for. It has to eat it all right there. They're going to call the COPS. Yeah I'm upset that the guy filming that didn't circle around and get his face more clearly so we could recognize exactly who this man is. Shame this man. Yes okay as a public health safety issue should there be more sort of hygiene shaming going on right now definitely do have always been institutionalized already. You've got to have hygienic. Shaming all the tall tattletale on. Guys leaving the restroom without washing their hands. Yeah go wash my hands. Algae walk out and as we're walking out I'll be like that guy didn't wash his hands allowed enough for him to hear me. Wow Smart Yeah. Yeah. I've done that and once in a while. It gets like a laugh from the dude or somebody else staffs know a lot of times. The dude just like put his head down and books it out and disappears into the crowd. Get back there okay. Okay well speaking of hand washing your story so they say when you wash your hands. You're supposed to sing the song. Happy Birthday until you're done. Washington Danny Do. I feel like that you're not a happy birthday guy. That's GonNa get expensive because song is trading at the pay anymore. Twenty seconds is where. You're supposed to sing happy birthday. But I'd like to think that I keep a mental clock running for about twenty seconds. Yeah Slot terrarium. You know how they have those toothbrushes that do the thirty second thirty second thirty second thirty seconds each zone. So do this with a ring or or an APP on your phone where it gives you anytime you go wash your hands. It automatically gives us soap dispensers. Tyson the minute you score the soap dissolved. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Okay well to build on this slot terrarium idea. What do you think about a soap dispenser? That then plays a song that would be A certain length of time for people to wash their hands to a song about Yale Law News Af Song. I think you're GONNA think you're gonNA feel you be. That's about twenty drinks long sexy duck. You're about twenty right there so you're definitely going to be good. Keep going keep going by that point. Yeah but there's no reason to stop. Yeah yeah that's for the drying that says you're on Air Blade. Yeah okay all right day. We're here pretty good. We got here. Danny Okay yes. I was looking at an online ad. These people are holding up. You'd Dinky one you know. These people are holding up cards to say. Getting Corona virus is a death sentence. Why I don't want to go tonight. Just move on. I don't I don't know Danny it's probably for like silver drink. Whatever 'cause you Google Golden Elixir? Drink your own pace. You get sick. That's not true by the way just to throw that out there. What if it is though? Yeah I guess Tyson. Try it out. Rachel gets home. She'll definitely have some corona virus on her hands on your tongue and then just you spend the next week drinking. Only what if? She gets quarantined on her way. Back from New York Dude she wins. She gets a sweetcorn team. You've got the kids for for fifteen days or fourteen days. Okay guys. A lot of things are being canceled because of this infection going round. Something I didn't even know existed got cancelled and because it got cancelled his. Why all of a sudden it's been brought to my attention and I didn't know but since let me find the date here since two thousand and four there's been a group or a business. I can't really an organization is what they call. It called Cuddle Party. Yeah we're potter shut case so the cuddle just so everyone knows if you had reservations and you're headed to the cuddle party in San Francisco on Saturday march fourteenth. It's been canceled. Sorry real time I know a anyway. I didn't know cuddle parties where thing and in this article. It shows a pitcher of people at a cuddle party has just looks. It looks horrifying. It's like all these like a massive humanity and flesh and shirts and sweat all laying on top of each other and I didn't know cuddle parties where thing but now that I do. I know that a not my thing. Yeah so it's another thing to put on the list. Yeah I've seen them on. I've seen them on. Tv shows and stuff. It's definitely what do you mean? Tv shows like a documentary style. Where they're like look at our wacky. This thing is Yeah Yeah like next. Next documentary on cuddle parties. If you want to see something that makes Danny Fillon comfortable. This would be the documentary for you. So is this good news or bad news Tyson. Because I feel like that on the one hand we knew where most of the purves were Let's not label these people purves. Maybe they just crave cumin touch. It's not sexual. You say tomato. I say consensual touching Yeah okay all right keep going. Yeah I don't know I feel like the people that are craving consensual touching from strangers. I like that you put them in one category. Well now. You don't have to go now. You have an excuse. Should you receive an invitation for local? Coty CUDDLE PARTY ROB. Yeah you don't have to come up with the truth at least when they were all there. The police broke down the door. And then just taking everybody's names down all right. Give me your Internet search history so many of those people would be on dink dot com or whatever it was Klis. Everything Dot Com. Yeah what astronomers farmers only what was what is it Dink Dink One. Danke Danke one. Okay so dinky one dot com. They're all all you're right. Rob These are the people that we would not be surprised to see all of those groups. Yeah Anyway I was Kinda. I'd never heard of cuddle parties and now I was Gonna say that unless this come around some positive things have come from corona virus. The my attention to that. There is such thing as a cuddle party and now I know that to raise awareness for better hygiene better social habits. Could you imagine walking into a room where people were engaged in cuddle party and looks like a mating ball or save more jeep? Much like the praying mantis made. It does look a little bit like a mall or at least a half ball for what? I'm looking amenity. Manatee Mating Ball. Yeah I'm looking at this Danny that they said that the event is cancelled. Four Dow Parties. Never GonNa regain the popularity of one's at. Well the cuddle party come back everybody gets the disease. Then it's back on at the next cuddle party come on out and join us for pure. Al Wrestling. That is a good idea. But I did get a terrarium has been today dude. You won't be able to find any hand sanitizer but if you can kiddy pool hand sanitizer wrestling love it okay. It'll be so clean there. You go all right anything else you WANNA talk about. There's so much I wanNA talk about. But they got enough time in the day all right. Tyson has got some really good news. Oh yes good news. Are you ready yes I am. I got a new computer recently. Why sound so pro on here? You Look Great. It's a windows. Guess what I can download itunes to it and I have. Itunes reviews up. Whoa that has never happened. Who knew that the thing keeping you from reviews was apple computer itself bright. Yeah the Creator. Vitamins Steve Jobs standing in my way. This is awesome. This is good news so here we go. Yikes Five Stars by Casey NECCI sixty nine. Maybe I've been listening to news AF for years now and I've always dreamed of Tyson reading my review on air sadly when I wrote an initial review. He skipped over for some reason. Consequently I drowned my sorrows at my local hot soup bar and applied to be a greyhound bus driver but then I realized that maybe I could update my review so here it goes guys if you wanted to hear stories about scary kid. Clowns wild helicopter adventures. Tyson's pet tortoise the news AF is the podcast for you tune in weekly with rob who always has a quick Pun Tyson who never ever misses an episode and Vascular D. Who is in love with Jessica Rabbit listening to this? Podcast will leave you with just one reaction. Yikes yeah. Don't turn to the hot soup. I'm glad that we saved or him. And I forgot about the guy that if you give them five dollars comment yikes on your XS girlfriend or your hunzas. Can we talk about the biggest get yet for cameo shirt news AF DOT news if you WANNA leave a review for Thyssen and redecorate yes. Lindsay Lohan Liaison Cameo. Yeah I don't know I saw that. She was out there. She must be in desperate straits. Yeah definitely she has been since like twenty twelve yes longtime. She's for a while she swirled around. And now she's on cameo so if you want that Lindsay Lohan break-up Message. It's you might be able to get. I don't know what you'll get. You could definitely request it. I don't know what you'll get So anyway I knew you guys would be excited. That's some competition. Maybe a little business taken away from you guys on Cameo but maybe not rubs not on camera. I might get on soon. Might get on. Do you need a referral code? I don't why did you have a referral code? Yeah Okay I'll give you can give your referral code. They emailed me and I wrote back to them and now they like email me every day. Yeah and happen. Yeah that's GonNa Happen. Tell them you only do it if I can use your referral code okay. That's what you can use my referral code definitely do that. I'll definitely be I could use. Maybe doctors can outsource guys. Kamya to tell people that they have the virus. Maybe there any doctors on on Cameo. Let's say we keep dress up as doctors is famous doctor. Dr Drew is Dr Drew. George Clooney de somebody that played doctor. Who is on there? But that's not a medical doctor. Dow Doctor Now from my six hundred pound. Life is on there. He Okay you have him deliver the message doctor. Dr Drew is on one hundred ninety. Eight dollars no way. Dr Drew was on there but yeah but he like. You're not getting a consultation. He's just going to tell you. I know that yeah. I know I was just surprised. He was on there. Yeah Yeah they go daddy. Could you give us the you've seen so upset? Intense this episode tonight. Could you give us one thing? You're excited about in the world tonight. Yes yes one thing. I'm excited about what's got you really. Jazz Danny. Yeah what's coming up in your future that you're really excited. Thanks guys. I feel like he has like trying to make me. You're graduating college free. She eight years stuff. Yeah the kids. Can we started about my kids? We just hired a tutor for my ten year old got outsource that. I mean trying to teach a kid math. I don't even know what he's studying. He's only in like fourth grade or something. That's the way over my head kid. The closet helping with me with advanced math was quite impressive. Oh Your Dad did help you. Yes. Let's call the way through high school. He could still help me because he was in a construction so he used a lot of that geometry style mathematics. I think I saw something about a fried chicken Taco. Someone was putting on. Maybe I'll try that out kinda good live and my spirit's you saw a shell or a restaurant that was making a fried chicken Taco. Yeah or maybe it was the donut chicken sandwich. I saw that chicken donut chicken sandwich. That's what you would. Maybe that's what I'll do. Maybe that Myers the talks in as the Tortilla. Exactly chicken inside. I'll go do that ago. Eat that and feel better. And the live streams No no it's meshing people watching me WanNa eat messy stuff danny. Whenever we're in the same town and we go. We're going to do a live periscope. Amok Bank Bang Bang at the end of one of my big day Zona Chicken Sandwich the other day. My Watch said that I had burned. Five thousand calories is what were you doing? While I was out all day skiing. Push going uphill on skis but five thousand calories. I could do a Muck Bang of anything like all I could. It'd be endless so tyson. Yes Big Day and a monkey's Kurd just let's do he's Kurd. I Still WanNa do the grappling hook. So I had that. Yes or to her science. I was thinking this. The donations have slowed down considerably. But that's okay. We have enough size being distracted Tyson. Scientists are distracted so there but I've been creating awareness for signs in general which is then helpfully. Hope hope helped with the cost for all us. We're going to get that grappling hook and then we can sneak in to COSCO and steel toilet paper. Dogs won't be there. There won't be any about that. Why would you even want to do that? There's none there well. Is there a place we can sneak in that? Has like laser beams and stuff. We'll go to a place get this. We'll go to a place you know. There's those like arcade places where they have those laser things you can sneak through now. Yeah Yeah we'll go to a place like that grapple up over into it and then you have to drop down somehow for science okay and you know what the grappling Hook I am looking forward to? There's my silver lining the grappling Hook K. Today at one other thing on the toilet paper the friendly's do so the other on Friday I went to trader Joe's and went to COSCO COSCO. Everybody's going crazy buying toilet paper traderjoes. Nobody nobody's buying toilet paper. Nobody's even nobody's even near the toilet paper at trader Joe's The stock but all the box wine was gone. The canned stuff seemed a little thin in the pasta but the toilet paper. Nobody's what trader Joe's not good enough trader. Joe's is too good probably. Yeah Yeah I think so. Well we got to end this podcast. I have to go out by some toilet paper I yeah I just think that the doomsday proper is probably going to Costco Not Trader Joe's Doomsday peppers trader. Joe's Doomsday crapper knows. All He needs is gone so he can go. Rob All the people who went to Costco Toilet paper. Traders Joe's clientele is more optimistic optimistic. Yeah Okay what does that make me? Both places means you're realist. Yeah Yeah all right anyway so fun news AF tonight even though we're talking about some dark stuff hopefully we brought to be made some sense out of everything going on with the corona virus. We got Tyson's computer up and running. We've got high tunes reviews. Danny's excited about some fried chicken Taco coming wrapping Hook grab in science and Science Tyson. Anything else you WANNA say a no follow tastes postle. He's on social media. At Tic- I've been crushing it on social media rushing it. Yeah Dude I posted a little snippet of me talking about my outdoor TV Insta- story got over twenty thousand views in twenty four hours. What was the people are looking you up? I Dunno Hashtag or something. No and I don't usually get those numbers either so try to figure out where you live from the video so they still at TV that sits outside. Your House is he. Didn't look you were naked in the thumbnail free. I did use Bikini Babe girls and I found pictures of and use that as thumbnail all right that might be it and of course Dante Bryson. He's at the Bryson care of ready. Have a good one bye guys.

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A Drug Hunter Finds Greater Freedom at a Nonprofit Institute

The Bio Report

37:03 min | 1 year ago

A Drug Hunter Finds Greater Freedom at a Nonprofit Institute

"Leading a startup team whether delivering a sugar rush stocking coffee or getting a regular delivery of snacks. Office Depot has solutions that fit every startup culture from getting those first business cards and stationery to ordering fleece pullovers with your new logo to learn how Office Depot in the California technology council. Have partnered to bring you savings on all of these startup essentials and more go to California technology dot org forward slash member benefits. I'm Daniel Levin. And this is the bio report. Atrial fibrillation condition characterized by irregular and rapid heartbeat affects up to six point one million Americans and can cause strokes. It's not well addressed by current medical approaches. Chris Larson adjunct associate professor Burnham premise medical discovery institute is part of a team working to find new drugs to treat the condition by identifying every gene in the human genome that can affect the rhythm of the heart. We spoke to Larson about the condition Espy peas drug discovery efforts. And why he left industry to work on drug discovery at a nonprofit institute. Chris thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me on the show. I look forward to the discussion with the been listening to past episodes. And I've certainly learned a lot from your prior guests. I hope I'll provide some equally useful substrate for your listeners thinking today. Thank you. We're we're going to talk about HBO formulation, Sanford burnin practice, and what the institutions like I'm sorry. I'm going to start over because tripping over myself Nores, Chris thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me on the show. Danny I look forward to the discussion with you. I've been listening to your past episodes, and I've learned a lot from your prior guests. I hope I'll provide equally useful substrate for your listeners thinking today. Thanks for the kind words, we're going to talk about Sanford Burnham practice, what an institution like this allows you to do that might be more constrained within industry. But let's start with H for relation. What is it? And how common is it? Right. So I'll third part to that question and discuss what is relation how common is it. And why do we care? So let me start by taking a slight step backwards and placing the disease problem in this case h fibrillation within the context of normal human mammalian biology. So our physical distance is basically an upside down amick situation, we consume tremendous amounts of energy to survive as the organizationally complex, and very long lived organism that we are so require lot of metabolic substrate and oxygen to convert environmental energy into biologically useful forms. So we need to kind of exchange system to deliver this environmental substrate two locations in our body where it's needed because we're also spatially large organisms. We can't use the solution that single, Sal or small multicellular organisms do which is simple diffusion. Instead, we have our cardiovascular system, which is the four part combination of the heart, the blood vessels, the blood tissue. With south and the kidneys which gathers up metabolic substrate notch jn delivers to all the tissues and organs and remove the products of metabolism back into the external environment. Each of these parts has a specific function. The pressurized vascular is the delivery system with blood flowing passively from areas of higher lower pressure. The heart is the pump that loads blood into these high pressure vessels and arteries, the kidneys maintain the appropriate volume and pressure and the blood itself carries the abroad substrate auction cells protein, serving various purposes that we don't really need to talk about today. So no, atrial fibrillation is dysfunction of the heart. Component of this four part cardiovascular system, the human heart is a four chamber pump that pushes blood out into the vessels. We think of the hardest. Having two sides the right side, which feeds your lungs and the left side that feeds the entire rest of the body. Now each side has offer chamber a lower chamber Lord chambers. The large strong chamber does most of the pump work the heart the upper chamber is much smaller weaker. And its function is basically the prime or load, the lower chamber with blood to be pumped out for each side. The timing of contraction of the upper and lower chambers should be coordinated in a one to one fashion in regular synchronous manner. Now, the chamber is on each side is called the atrium. So that's where atrial fibrillation will come in. So all the snow from the experience of our own bodies. Our our heartbeats a regular which mean, they occur at even intervals like a musical beat. And when our hearts work harder and speed up the number of beats in a minute or any other time period will go up at the interval between beach should stay regular and even so atrial fibrillation. Your question is a condition which two things happen to the contractions of that upper chamber Adria one is that there are irregular and to they're often very rapid to give you a sense of the change from normal, usually depending on a person's state of cardiovascular or pulmonary, fitness. HR in the ventricles will both beat between sixty one hundred times in a minute. In fibrillation. Ventricular rate will go up somewhat potentially hundred forty two hundred sixty beats per minute. But atrial rate will go up very high to four hundred to six hundred beats per minute and be very unsinkable is not working with. Ventricles why that matters is the consequence which will be this now no longer organized synchronous function of the heart. So you have a reduced cardiac output, so reduced blood ejection out into the ventricular system. In terms of communist. That's kind of what it is in terms of why or how how common this disease with be again light step back and just put it all in context, cutting vascular disease, we'll be leading cause mortality in both developed and developing nations in atrial fibrillation is most globally prevalent, cardiac rhythm disorder arrhythmia. So throughout the world. That's about thirty three million people and within the US specifically that will be about six million people currently diagnosed so the prevalence is a number of existing cases, the six million number. I gave you that is rising as well. The incidents which will be the number of new cases diagnosed every year is also rising and last year in the United States. There was about one million new cases of atrial fibrillation that were diagnosed so why do we care about these big numbers? I described before that what happens is you have this unthinkable rapid heart rate and this. Results in a reduced output from the heart into the rest of the cardiovascular system from a patient's perspective what they can experience sometimes is that rapid heart rate, but the usually are experiencing the consequences of that as synchronous rapid heart rate. So these would be kind of quality life symptoms weakness, shortness of breath, sometimes the heart of self which we would call heart palpitations, and certainly call life is important, but more importantly from a medical system perspective, there large major consequences that are essentially life threatening or life changing that we really care about a lot. So the diagnosis and presence of af Leach to significantly increase mortality significantly increased rate of heart failure, and probably most well known would be the increased rate of thromboembolism stroke. So in the US, you have about seventy five to one hundred thousand strokes year that are attributed to underlying atrial fibrillation, and as you and your listeners know, very, well, you know, strokes. Stroke almost always a life changing event this happens because as I said, the the blood is not ejected at a normal rate or at a normal volume. This reduced cardiac output, a blood is right on the edge clotting. So we have cells and proteins floating around in our blood two different systems that are ready to climb at the slightest provocation, and certainly that was a good thing for us through the human history when we were at high risk of injury and blood loss infection. But now, we're kind of protected from all that. And so the only major consequences in any situation where blood is likely to pool and increased intervals between beats that would happen in relation. The blood is gonna pool more likely to clot block of Essel. And then the downstream organs are starved at the auction that blood carries and stop function and start to die. And that's what we call a stroke, how well understood are the underline causes of of this genetically caused disease. Is there their chemical issue electrical issue? Or is this just a function of aging that we increase the risk of this? Yeah. That's a great question. So so like a lot of chronic conditions. It is much less. Well, understood than people generally will assert that it is. So as I what I didn't mention before we talked about what happens were what characterizes for relation in in in terms of biological and clinical situation, sort of one step below that with underlying that is h relation is is an issue of electrical conductors, there's a problem with the electrical system of the heart which leads to this rapid, a synchronous heart the and poor output, I can get into in more detail later, but what I would say for now, essentially what it is the contract. How signals the electrical signals don't flow appropriately over the heart as they should? So then what causes that it's kind of the beginning of science, and where we investigate I think like a lot of medical situations, you can start with risk factors. These give us clues and generate hypothesis. Sees about what the causes of disease might be what we would call the algae. And certainly as you said genetics our factor. I personally I'm more of the viewpoint that genes in the genomes are kind of more like a probability than a hard deterministic factor. They place you kind of somewhere on a math of biological potential. But then that potential is modified, by of non genetic factors, which you nicely set me up for their age is one of the biggest risk factors. The I think the likelihood of atrial fibrillation overage eighties about twenty percent. Everybody's starting from a low point and growing throughout life in both Texas, although male sex is a higher risk factor than female sex for HR for relation while there can be things that happened within the lifetime of the organism that are going to that are clear risk factors, and therefore likely are pointing to clear causes so that can include chronic diseases that probably resulted in some sort of either metabolic or mechanical stressor in the heart. There can be non disease mechanical or environment. Oh, stressors surgery and other major events can can lead to an increased risk either temporarily or permanently and there's probably the whole host of other. You know, domains that we haven't quite figured out, which is sort of the starting point for what we're trying to do. I think another way to answer. Your question is rather than try to give us set assign typic- descriptions or definitions, which were still working on. We can go the clinical classification, which again gives us some kind of starting points. You can think of several different clinical classes of atrial fibrillation. There's a mon- genyk HR fibrillation, which usually associates with in heritable cardiomyopathy is that that are also president of the patient. You can see people who are probably more genyk, which would mean someone who is absent any other risk factors, and is of us fishing, low age, usually under sixty to sixty five so that there's unlikely to be any undetected environmental factors. So we think of. Those probably genyk HR relation. Then from a clinical point of view. You can think about people whose h of a relation can be localized through a fairly sophisticated invasive diagnostic system of coming from their pulmonary vein. That can be something that I can talk about later about how that can be treated. There is a set of people who are seen to have as relation post operation. That's a relatively unknown, well, unknown to a layperson wealthy. Well, knowns cardiologists insurgents, but common way in which relations starts and then like anything else, we just lump everything else in the other category of calling complex where we basically don't really fully either understand the the pathophysiology what's going on in the disease or or how to well, treat it. And then certainly not kind of what's causing probably some combination of everything that you said, you know, that cause aging and then downstream factors that happen to the Sal either at the a or protein level. Are there problems with today's treatment regimen or? Phrase that what are the therapeutic options today? And what are the concerns about the arsenal that we have? Yep. So the question around how do we handle it today? Basically, we don't handle it. Well, and I think that would be something that anyone who's in the field would would tell you. There's essentially three ways to three basic therapeutic strategies that can be pursued to those involved drugs. And one of those would involve a procedure from the drug side. There's essentially a direct in an indirect approach the indirect approach is dissension. Not even try to address the underlying a rid MIO, Rachel relation at all. But really put people on medications that prevent or reduce the risk of stroke. And so that would be the same sorts of things antibiotics or anti platelets that you would use for someone who is either at high risk or had already had a stroke, and you try to prevent a secondary stroke. So exact same therapeutic strategy would treat someone at risk of stroke without the presence of HR for relation. Then the direct approach would be to try to use drugs that directly target heart. Those can. Be classified into one of two. Then kinda sub approaches you either can try to not worry about the the irregular beat or the ace synchronous association of the two chambers. But just try to slow the overall rate which has been also shown to reduce the likelihood the heart will flip over into a rhythmic state that can be done with the usual drugs that we use for a lot of other situations where we want to slow rate calcium channel blockers beta blockers deduction things like that. Or and this will get to kind of what we're trying to do here at SAP, you can try to use some of the existing anti-arrhythmic drugs. I'll just say at a high level are poor both in terms of efficacy also poor in terms of the side effects, some of which are not just annoying but actually dangerous so those are the kind of drug approaches and then for the procedure approach this would be the last one that people can use. So one of the things that has been a huge success in the last twenty years in cardiology has been the use of interventional catheter procedures for you know, heart attacks girl system, treating treating that really minimize the damage. They're people are now trying to flip that over into treating strokes. But as well that same sort of interventional catheter procedure can be used not just physically pop vessel, but can be used to go right into the heart. Put a needle on areas that are being arrhythmic, and basically just wipe out the nerve and kill the peace of the heart that's causing this. Faulty synchronous signal, and that the idea there is that you sensually kind of quiet down the tissue and allow the normal pacemaker function of the heart. Take back over the options that exist. I think I could go into some details about you know, what is good or not good about each one. I think the bottom line problem with all of them with come to essentially the efficacy. None of them really reduces substantially the rate of complications or the persistence of ongoing. Atrial fibrillation is this essentially treated as a single type of problem. And if so is there potential and segments seventeen the population as we've seen with say a disease like cancer. Yeah. So that's a the thinking that lots of people have. And I think that's it totally appropriate. Unfortunately, it is currently treated essentially as a single condition people normally at a clinical level, they will base it on stage. But that's not really getting to your question is which is our people treating it as one underlying cause or different underlying causes. So that's one of the elements. That's going into some of the work that we're trying to do here through collaboration. So we have a collaborator of music scripts. He's a cardiologists that does a lot of great work on wireless and digital medicine, and some of the work that they're doing now is is going to sound very simplistic. But it's really the state of the field, which is currently people are given this diagnosis of Asia for relation, and they're all sort of lumped together as you as you alluded to, but cardiologists know that if you put people on EKG monitors for long periods of time twenty four seventy two hours. You will detect that people have different states of a rhythm. Yeah. There are some people which are called long runners which over let's say a twenty four hour period may be in a state of a synchronous rhythm or a rib Mia for ten to twenty hours of that period of time. You may have other people who over twenty four hour period. Only go through five to twenty minutes of intense. They rid me. But then for the remaining twenty three point something hours, their heart rhythm and rate is normal. Intuitively. It just seems to be that those two extremes are probably not being caused by the same underlying electricals state. There's probably something very different about their electrical conducted system. So that implies. Yes. Absolutely. There must be too. Flavors or versions of this underlying conductors problem, which are being lumped together into the top line diagnose, atrial fibrillation and given those of extremes. There's probably other categories of FINA types in the middle. This actually goes to one of the things that we're hoping to achieve one of our major goals will be to as early as possible try to match the involvement of any targets. Discover two different something types that Evan and other physicians like him are currently cataloging and creating taxonomy of in the clinic. Well, done drug discovery in March from pseudo companies and smaller via tax what led you to do this type of work at a nonprofit. Yeah. It's definitely kind of unusual situation. Sensually several years ago. SAP reached out to me to help build a drug discovery capability that would start from an ATS screening capability that have been created by one of the prior CEO's John Reid when he was leading to and and h was in a period where they wanted to fund the creation of chemical probes for use by basic, researchers when that NIH effort ended many of those groups shut down, but a few like the one here SAP's state around and tried to make a go of it surviving grants and philanthropy and other things and so the following CO Vespas Piatra, John Terry Nissen, come from GlaxoSmithKline, and he had a vision of using large philosophic gifts to fund and end drug discovery. But the people on the at the time that were in place had experience in some parts of the process, but not sort of the full start to finish expertise Perry and others envision that the institute with need. So I think that's kind of that's sort of what the mechanics of how it happened. I think what what what drew me here. What what I would think would be what I thought was interesting opportunity with the. Here. One thing that we can really approach with the. Questions that are not bounded by the existing the commercial or investment strategy of for profit organization. I I think there's, you know, the there's a huge ecosystem of where new medications and diagnoses are diagnostic tools, and other, you know, devices come from and there's a place for everybody in their people. Bring different strengths and weaknesses as entities to that. I think the one of the potential challenges for four profit organization is there is a sort of existing kind of commercial strategy that works for them. Whereas what we can do we can really follow an unmet medical need wherever that's gonna take us. And I think in this particular situation, that's really kinda taking us to eight or for relation and the reason for that is that unlike that for profit entity with a basically a business strategy of of Hugh big faction what we do is pay for by grants and philanthropy. So you can think of those monies that that they certainly have Arwa. Right, whoever he's giving that money wants to see a return. But usually that grant return is, you know, publications and novelty and future grants and philanthropy as contribution to a mission of some kind. They often aren't really financially based ally. So we're then able to use these kind of non financially based are y resources or capital to kind of go after things like af which will be harder investment case for a company. So we can come in and try to do some at earlier risk your work. You know, the target discovery validation and early sort of leads discovery work that might be for some diseases because of the less obvious our ally. Whether it's the size of the market or the price per patient, or whatever it is just makes it harder for some companies to to get into that space. So. Well, your team is trying to identify every gene in human genome that can affect the rhythm of a heart. How are you going about doing that? And how long should that take? Yeah. So that's that's one of the things. I think we're we're excited about as a starting point. So what L the way I'll answer that is described kind of just a people in expertise is on the rest of the team because that goes to sorta Howard approaching this. So we we're multidisciplinary team actually a multi institution team. So the other we've the other collaborators that that are part of this our couple more professors here at SAP, and then say amuse, our colleague at scripts so Kalisz has is one of the one of the hearts of this, no pun intended. He's developed this great high throughput cellular FINA typing system for Kirby Myocytes, as well has really optimized what I think is one of the one of the key onus of this approach would be the ability to take induced stem cells, and then make them not only into Kurdi my but into specifically atrial Cardi Myocytes because what we want to do here is really fine. Targets that are specific to these upper changers because one of the problems with current drugs. They're not facilitate the just the H rather also hitting channels and other proteins in this bigger larger lower chamber ventricle the huge danger. There of course, is it that, you know, problems with the with ventricle contraction and rhythm can lead the stroke and heart attacks, we really wanna try to focus on atrial specific targets and mechanisms. So, you know, the Weiwei's we're doing this is to work with, you know, h specific Carter by it's made from stem cells. Two more colleagues here at SAP here and ochre enrolls Bodmer our longstanding experts in using the shuffle a fly as a way to test particularly genetic influences, but not only genetic influences on heart function, and as weird as it may sound the heart of a fly does mimic a number of the same properties as mammalian hearts, the functional benefit of that is allows us to very rapidly test jeans and very undressed like molecules in an intact heart, not just in south and allows us to validate targets and leads molecules very early as well flies, short, lifespan and flies. If you let them Asian normally. Purely genetically modified we'll some faction of them will develop incher for relations. So somehow, you can even see an aging process in the heart leading data for relation in the fly. So that allows us to now do something probably much closer to the model of what happens in patient, which is that there is an underlying in some case genetic factor or factors there are throughout the lifetime of the organ organism environmental events, mechanical events disease events that occur. And there is aging whenever that process tells proteins and genes, and we can now look to see how two things go together, gene, plus aging or a metabolic state plus aging, plus a gene, and that allows us to very quickly ties targets that were finding and then, you know, I seven provides clinical work, I provide, you know, kind of the overall drug discovery and translational research. Mindset in addition to in vivo modeling, and so then to get specifically to your questions for that very long fray lewd. They're the way we're approaching this is the sensually starting with his atrial specific pretty Myocytes and then using variety different genetic interventional techniques one by one knocking out every gene from the human genome and looking to see through Alex's high throughput FINA typing system, do they affect both the rhythm phenotype of those atrial Carter Myocytes one of the things I should've mentioned before is that one of the nice things about working on the heart versus some other organs that in plate. You can throw down cells that make up the majority of hardest car demise sites are fiberglass field sales and other types there, you can throw down Carmine, I will self organize into a sheet that starts to beat. So in a way that you can't do with other sort of two d or three d culturing? Uh-huh. You can fairly simplistically create a three D model of the heart cells. Do it for you. So we do that. And then we can knock out one by one each gene and genome, currently, we'd do mainly that through interfering are a, but we can also do crisper if we needed look to see if the FINA type of both the beat and the regularity of the beats the arrhythmia, and then also the underlying effects on one particular subset or signal which is calcium signal moving from one part of the cell to the other which is one of the key controllers at the cellular low of how the cell beats. We can look to see which of these genes and the whole human genome can cause an arrhythmia in an atrial Cardi Maya site, so that doesn't make them disease, gene that makes them candidates. So then all those candidates can then be, you know, prioritize variety of intellectual activities, but then most importantly, put into Ralph and Karen fly system and those. Can then be validated. So they don't only affect the rhythm. And let's say the calcium signal controlling the rhythm in a stem cell derived atrial cart at my site. But they can also be put into an intact. Multicellular organisms part fly we can again, see do they affect rhythm immediately. Or do they affect rhythm on top of aging? And so that allows us to then generate a candidate list of things we can do. And then the third piece would be come back to my lab, which would be to now put them into a million heart in this case, we'll probably would use mice. There's number problems of mice small hearts, high all that kind of stuff, but they are genetically modify -able mammal, and so we can use them to fan introduce the same changes into the mouse heart will typically would try to do that only in the heart and only after the animal has matured to full grown age and look to see now in an intact for chamber, mental heart, which functions essentially the same way as human heart except at much higher rate. Do we again introduce this arrhythmia in the upper chamber the atrial? So all that lines up, we then hopefully at the end of that would have a candidate list, you know, my. Gasol be something we'll be like five to ten out of thirty thousand genes that we can then think about pursuing drugs against them. And as you know from your conversations in the past that will then be informed by you know, judgments about drug ability of particular, protein, classes, and all that kind of stuff competition and all those things, but that that's kind of how the way we're approaching it. And then I guess the bottom line question that everyone wanna know how far we through 'bout twenty percents. And that's something that will continue to chug away that and hopefully over the next year, or so we would have a complete effort through the first piece, I should say the looking at these themselves derive Cardi Myocytes, the validation flies within probably take I would guess nother year or two, and then the thing that takes a long time just because my stick long time to become sexually mature and reproduce grow enough animals that we can use them in experiments that would take several years. So I would say going all the way through that, you know, cells to flies to my system is probably about a five year endeavor getting through the cells is probably about a one year. Never have you identified any novel targets today. Yeah. So that's that's that's that's a great question. So I think the what's been to nice outcomes of the work. So far say the first twenty percent is I we have confidence that were at least getting some of the right things because we've essentially rediscovered or confirmed most of the small set of genes that have been that were have been discovered prior through genome wide association. Studies G studies in in in human patients, which you know, is, you know, NATO relation like in a lot of other chronic conditions approach is kinda disappointed in terms of how much of the disease. It can explain personally think this goes back to that statement. I made earlier that the genome is really more about potentialities of FINA type as opposed to direct terminus of type. But you know, I think there's gonna be some potentialities are so strong. They'll censor show up as terminus factor. So one we first we I reconfirmed or kind of Falah dated the approach by Redick. Covering through this approach. We'll people have discovered impatience that's always a worry with model systems. Are they really modeling the human state correctly. And then to answer your question, we have discovered some unexpected genes that in the cells can cause a nature for relation like phenotype, which is which has been great. And so currently care all labs are now taking the output to those and putting those into flies to see do. They show up that a rib Mia not only in these atrial Kurdi my sight sheets that we can see an addition. But also in three D organized functioning heart in a in an animal so that that works on going, and how far will you take a candidate? Will you yet an eye? Indie ready package that you can then licenses out or would you actually consider taking something the clinic. Yeah. That's a great question. I think functionally I'll answer I kind of functionally what our goal is in L, then I'll say just my own personal Kinney at this point about about what what would be most doable for us. I think are functional goals are really kinda threefold every one to do what I just described which is to sort of discover and partially validate targets for atrial fibrillation. I think that's fairly standard effort. We have, you know, exciting novel technologies. I think we'll be able to do it. But that's probably not something that, you know, people are going to say, oh, that's never heard that before companies in people do that all the time. I think one thing that's a little word, you know, special that will try to do is starting from the gecko. We are working with Evan. Another to try to social these targets with some of these sub sina types of AS that they're using very modern wireless technologies are discovering right now for you know, doing this much more detailed taxonomy visual relation to the clinic. What what are the actual flavor? Of disease along runners the very short episode of people what's in between try to social are targets through the same systems. You know, the cells the flies the mice as we did before see can't we associate these different targets generate from the human genome knockouts with some of these FINA types, not as probably, you know, super strict correlations. But at least pretty good hypotheses that these are probably more likely to be players in one some type versus and other. And then third I think the last piece would be again to go to this, you know, fundamental more business type of question, you know, one of the issues in af is just there's a financially based ROI problem for for private sector companies. And so what we wanna do is try to also discover leaders molecules for as many of those targets as we can because we think that one of the ways that we can contribute in our special flavor into the system, we'll be progress them as far down the path of discovery as we can. So that now that our ally becomes attractive to potential partners. So. Would we go all the way ourselves? I think we'll always try to partner as you as you. And your listeners know really well average is going to be one hundred million dollars inclusive of all the failures that's a big chunk for someone for an organization that's not dedicated to that type of effort. I think if we were able to access that kind of resources, you certainly can build enough of that downstream organization to move Kenneth clinic. I think they'll be to challenges with that one. We just accessing that level of resources for any specific disease like this and then too. I think you, you know. You've been around the industry long time. I've been around a long time, the practical reality is also that you know, you know, with the same amount of money an organization that does that for living's probably always going to be faster and always going to be better quality than whatever kind of upstart organization. We or some new biotech would be. So certainly, it's doable thing might instinct is that we would look to partner as soon as we could convince somebody of the ROI case and that comes back on us. Right. The the stronger that we can then make that scientific and clinical case both in terms of the therapeutic capacity that we generate invalidate. So the work described then also through the initial molecule discovery it's to give people starting point. It's one thing to try to evaluate risk when you've got no numbers in front of you. Maybe it's possible. The drug is target. Maybe not who knows quite another thing to make more quantitative risk assessment. When there's a starting point and you can apply medicinal chemistry, judgment or biological tally. Judgment tunings listing starting point in combination with Peter out SIS and then. I think most people are much more comfortable on. Chris Watson had jumped associate professor at Sanford Burnham premise, medical discovery institute. 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Listener Stories, December 26

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I've heard from so many about your own family secrets and realize that we are creating for each other on this. PODCAST is is a community a community for those. Were looking for a safe and supportive. Space to unburden themselves to that end. We've created a number for listeners to call Dan to record stories to share here in this space this week. I'd like to share a few of those stories from our community. Thanks for listening. Hi Danny I am grateful for You doing the family secrets podcast. I just stumbled upon it and and It's probably been really healing and the work that I am doing within my own healing journey and the secrets within my own family. When I was about twenty three a big bomb was dropped in the middle of my life My beloved grandmother had just passed away and I was sitting with my aunt and we were talking about Kind of how awful. My GRANDPA had had been his whole life. And you're just kind of sharing stories back and forth like remember the time granted. 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Dont Let Your Work Kill You!

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34:11 min | 2 months ago

Dont Let Your Work Kill You!

"Hi I'm Patricia Gra Barak and I'm Katina Sawyer and welcome to the worker being podcast today. Patricia has an article for us. So Dietrich, should you wanNA tell us what you're going to be talking about? Yeah. So it's going to get a little dark today. We're talking about mortality. And how demanding your job is and how much control you have over your job can actually impact your mental health and physical health, which is something we've talked before and then how that can impact your overall mortality. So it's kind of interesting. This should err on Halloween. Daring August instead. Scary music to play for it on Daunte. That's good. Is that Pro Apparently. Really. Quite good. But. Yeah. So before we dive in quick announcement again, we are recording this in May. This is Aaron in August due to our fabulous alleys, allier producer, her pregnancy, and having a baby right now. So just wanted everyone to know that when we talk about what's going on where in the point right now of the Cova crisis where things are starting to slowly open in some states in like fully open and others anyways just context. So if we sound like we're talking about something that happened in the past, it is the past we are in the past. Yeah. Yes and I don't know what will want to tell. Ourselves in the future, we'll never know By in in the present how're you doing? Good? Kind of tired today we. Okay. So last night. This is ridiculous. Michigan say it last night Danny I decided that we were going to go see the bioluminescence on the coast. So here's in California cigarette algae bloom We went to see it a little bit after anniversary in the evening, but didn't go far enough south to get the full effect and We decided we're going to go further south. We're going to go see more of it. and it was crazy because really everybody and their mother. was actually others as. But I. Wanted to go see this and so like driving down pch was crazy pack. There was so much traffic everybody was just pulling overall Willy Nilly. There were cops everywhere trying to stop people from doing that It was just a whole fiasco and then we've we made it down to like where we used to live and because we know that area really well, we just we knew where there's parking places that are not like. Public parking in the sense that they'd be police found like a little sneaky spot parked. Walk down there, but there were to the beach, but there's a ton of people out I. Mean we kept our space where everybody but it was made me feel really anxious. I haven't been around that many people in months. Yeah. So I felt really weird. and. Then on top of it I, think we're towards the end of the bloom. So definitely see it like the waves were like glowing blue, but it wasn't like brilliant as other people's photo seemed to be in the past. So we're kind of talking about that and that's whatever that's fine. But the worst part is it's like eleven o'clock when we finally get back to our car and we had a flat tire. So. Then we were stuck out there waiting for them to come and get change tire for spare, and then we headed our way back and because it's a spare tire like. Maybe I'm completely ignorant but I had no idea that a spare tire was like so much smaller than a regular tire. Yeah. Go a certain speed over certain speeds Sweden forty miles an hour all the way home, and like we don't live that far. But that's slow enough that it took long to get home. So. I didn't get home until like past one am and then yeah. Yeah, and then so it's super late or early. and. By the time get to bed and everything like that. It was like one thirty, one forty. It was a lot. Of Fun. So, our adventure. A very nutty adventure. That isn't nutty adventure. That's a lot of things going on just to. See some bioluminescence but I. Know maybe you can take one of the pictures with someone else took off online and pretend like you took it. Is Worth it to get this picture of the bioluminescence? Yeah I know it's like we we must have just missed. It just bombed I wish we had just gone further down on our anniversary and then nobody was out that day like it was very calm. So I feel like people got all excited about it this weekend and we would have been ahead of the curve and you have missile the traffic and hopefully have not had a flat tire. So whatever it is what it is, it was just not as exciting as I wanted to be rats having car trouble is. Terrible to yeah I just feel. So out I mean for me, 'cause I don't know anything about cars, but it just feels like. Out of your control, it's like unfixed believed to stand there and be like someone helped me like you just like have to like stand there. Wait for somebody to show up to like tell you what to do. I know and then you're just like, Oh, you're just changing a like when you watch them, you're like the sexually isn't that complicated right wouldn't trust myself to do it I know I know 'cause it's vantage on your car and you're driving on it and your life's on it. Yeah. It was a mess. How are you doing? I'm fine. Actually. Spent yesterday cleaning out the garden on the House that we? Had rented while we're still renting At this point, we solve another month and a half left on our lease, but we're like completely out now so I think like one. Nice thing is that like you know that chapter like is entirely closed. So we got like all of our stuff out in the last thing we had to do was go back and clean up the yard. an like get all of our stuff out of the yard. So from that perspective, I feel like. You know that's nice that we like close the chapter on it but I'd like sincerely like I'm sure the gardening is meditative like if you have a garden that's like nice and you're like putting things on the ground to grow but like. I've heard people say they like weeding even like weeding things out of a gardener's meditated for them like I don't understand that in any way like there is no way yesterday was meditating for me. It was horrible like I was sneezing the whole time like I hate weeds there were like tons of weeds because the garden just like whatever. There's a lot of reasons why there's ever like. They just like grolig crazy. There's a vines of weeds. I don't even know and I was just like I hate I hate this like I need to get out here. So we waited for probably like three hours and then we were just like this is it's GonNa get the end And so in any event I'm happy that's over because our new house doesn't really have. A yard in the sense that there's like very little space that things grow and the space things can grow we can just get someone to like. Ma-, mind that space and it's like so small that it's very manageable So Anyway, I'm happy to be done with. That portion of. My natural exposure to nature. I totally understand that I There's any bugs in the ground. And on plants. Well. That's the other thing is that like we put those planters like a bunch of like planners and stuff out there two years ago and like if you pick up a planter that you haven't picked up in two years, what is under the lake? So disgusting. Yeah. Oh and one other thing that happened I didn't tell you. Okay. So So we got like a cleaning service to clean the house is like a final clean. last week, and it's cleaning service that we've used like for a long time and. So like I thought, they were like pretty trustworthy like whatever I haven't like Brennan works from home. So we've never had to deal with like keys or anything like that whatever anyway. But because we don't live there anymore, we left them the key like this big potted plant outside and we just told them to put it back there when they were done and then a couple of hours later after they were done last week I went over to pick the keep from the plant, but it wasn't there. So I was like I guess maybe the person might of Lake. Put it inside somewhere not put it outside which is fine. We have another key so but I couldn't get in because I only had I, didn't have my key with me. Brandon has his. So I went back home and Tilbern number was like maybe we'll go back over tomorrow and check like the drawers and stuff. So we did that and we checked all the doors in the house and like everything inside and nothing was inside. So I emailed inside, we look for the key under the plant. It's not fair. Is there any place else it might be? The next being like hey. Yeah. It is under the plan She left it under the pot. So I was like okay that's weird because we both checked under a fine. So we went back to clean the yard. I was like look we have to check this pot plan again but like I'm almost positive, not there find it like whatever. So we looked under the look a million times with all around the pot we looked in like the like house near the pot. We look like in the grass that was like three feet from a potluck we looked everywhere and so finally saw email back like, hey, I know you said it's there at this point we've checked all over the House we've checked the it's not there like any other ideas about where it might be. An. We got an email back from them like a couple of hours later being like it is definitely under the Pi it's the brown pot next door it's to the right. There I saw her of the pie leg. You have to check again because it's definitely there and I was like this is crazy. I notes under this part. So. Anyway. We were driving to go get groceries and we drive past the house anyway. So even though we had already checked this pot like fifty seven times, I was like, why don't you just pulled a real quick and just like one more time I'm gonNA check onto this just. so that I can email back and be like I'm standing in front of the pot and I. It's not their right to be like I'm looking at. Anyway, I go pick up the pot and the keys bright underneath of it. And I think they went and put it back. Yeah I, mean. That's the only thing that makes sense. I was man yeah. That's small new cleaners for the next place I. Guess. I know but don't you think that's like I wanted to go back and like I the key is in my possession, but it did not arrive to me. In a manner that I feel has integrity. A SEAT Got Like tell me, you just like didn't remember to put the key. They're like, just say I feel really bad. I know we're supposed to be there. She left with the by accident. Like. Will bring it back to you. It's fine. I'm not mad but like to be like it is their plea. Yeah. Here, until grabbing to you and put it back after the first time when they said it was there you don't. Affect checked twice, and then the third time you checked it was back. It's. Like that's seems fishy and Weird Oh. No I said you can't trick me A. trickster but they can because I'm not GonNa, say anything about. something. So anyway, that was my day yesterday. Well. Sounds like we both had. Interesting days, adventurous days and now. In our days that made us feel as if we could be dead. WHOA. That's a transition. So dramatic. That's very dramatic. GonNa go along the lines of like. And our days are limited on this planet or something like I don't know when you're just like. Feeling we could be dead. anyways. Way. Yes the article about mortality I know it's a very depressing topic kind of darker than I would say most of were podcast episodes of been but I think it's interesting I think it's an important article And I think it's just something to keep in mind. It's like an extra reminder that we really should be focusing on having positive work environments for people so that we don't. You know lead to premature death. Yeah. So Yeah. So anyways articles called. This job is literally killing me a moderated and mediated model linking characteristics totality. And it's by Gonzalez moulet and caulk burned. Just published this year in twenty twenty and it's in the Journal of Applied Psychology and it's actually research report which you've talked about those before but basically they're just Come more concise papers with and usually they come from some some research done of a bigger study, which is exactly what happened here. So it's interesting, it's not overly. Complex article. So I think I'll talk through a couple of concepts things that we've talked about before on the podcast and then what they found. Awesome that sounds perfect. Cool. So this article talks about a couple of different concepts talking about stress and strain and how that impacts. Your overall health rights so one thing that we know and that we've seen in other articles that we've talked about and things that are written on our website is that stress and burn out and having a lot of stress can lead to things like. Physical health symptoms, rights and not feeling super great physically. and. It can also lead to mental health things like issues and symptoms like symptoms around depression or anxiety. So we know that that is something that has been studied. A Lot so we do know that link exists. This paper really wanted to see. Okay. So now that link, let's take it one step further and when does that link? Cause premature death when what what does that look like? So this is part of a bigger study called the MIDLIFE development in the United States, study, MIDAS. And the data's from Nineteen Ninety five to twenty fifteen. So it's a big. Data set and they looked at three different time periods. So the first time period earlier on where they look at individuals they ask people about will the can't be retired that'd be working employs and they have data on their job demands, job control, and they also looked at cognitive ability. So okay let me back up on those things. So jogged man's we've talked about this before, but they're basically the demands that are faced by employee. At work so things like you know how challenging task is kind of focus you need how much work do you have time pressure things like that. Then job control. Is. Really around how much an employee has control over how they do their work, their schedule things like that. So we've talked about job control or autonomy lot. It's really about having the ability to make your own decisions and how your work is done. And the final thing that we haven't talked about really that much as cognitive ability So cognitive ability is defined as a general ability to reason solve problems learn it's I mean, in some kind of I would say a crude way to approach it as just like intelligence right but really the way they were looking at here is more about people's ability to learn quickly And put potentially handle more challenging tasks, right? Yeah. Yeah. I always talk about my class that cognitive ability is like. It's something that you can't learn. It's like a capacity to be able to pick up on new things quickly were to solve problems that you haven't seen before. In like quicker response time to find solutions to unique or novel issues more. You're more capable of doing that. So it's like you can't go to like a class and learn to have higher cognitive ability like you can learn a skill or knowledge or something like that. Exactly. Yep. Yep but some of those like innate ability things those things that existed individuals. slowly kind of three main concepts they worked with in the study in addition to obviously the mental health metrics, physical health, and the mortality metric, which is to the person died at the end of the study So there are three periods the mentioned the first one they look at that job demands job control of ability the second period of time. They look at physical and mental health. So they look at some markers, a physical health that was collected in the midst of this MIDAS this bigger Meta study and they also looked at. Mental Health and the way they define mental health in this study was really just around depression as the person big diagnosed with depression. Or has they also had complete a scale. So it was not just they were diagnosed with depression but if they you know go with that measure, would they potentially be diagnosed? Like are they on that scale of dimension of depression okay? And then the last study phase and Midas three the third time period they see as a person still alive or not. Okay and it's the same person across all time points. So they have wrecked basically data like space years apart yes. Exactly. Okay. So their goal is to see all right. If this person at earlier in their life, they had a really stressful job to have control to do their job. The way want to what is their ability to learn and problem solving unique situations. How does that impact their physical mental health? You know years down the road And then how does that impact their mortality even further down the road? Okay awesome. That sounds great. So So basically, they're looking at how does your job impact overall mental wellness, and then how does your mental wellness? Physical wellness how do those things impact? How long you're gonNA live which is a very important outcome variable that people care about and so what did they find? So, what they found kind of interesting. What they found was when you're in a job has a lot of demands. If you have. Control like seven job control the ability to make. Your own decisions around how your task things like that, and if you've got an ability to deal with those demands, so are able to learn etc then you're doing well. Right, but if you don't. So if you're on a job that has really high demands and you don't have the ability to deal with it then basically what happens is it deteriorates your mental health. So. They saw an impact that if you've. got a really demanding job and IT'S NOT A. you have control and have this capacity to learn quickly and problems how quickly it's more of a either or so either have these major job demands and I have control that I'm doing. Okay or if I have these major job demands and I happened to be higher on this cognitive ability scale or that you know your ability to deal with the demands then you're doing. Okay. So you don't have to have both Gotcha. If you don't have either though. You're in a situation where mental health declines. So you're more likely to have depression, and then you're also more likely to have passed by the end of the study. Wow. So that's really interesting. So basically, it's okay to have a demanding job, but you also either have to have the cognitive ability to be able to sort of tackle those demands without getting is the theory kind of like it would be over too overwhelming unless you have like the cognitive capacity to cope with all the demands and or you have more over the schedule. And then that makes you more mentally healthy in those two conditions and overtime that mental health adds up to lead to mortality differences. Exactly. Yep that's exactly right. So Basically You need to either feel like you have some control over your job that you can. Maybe. I don't know push space out tasks appropriately because it takes you a little bit longer. You know give yourself the space that you need to complete the work or you just need to be like super-quick at picking things up and problem solving, and that's you can't control. So realistically, that's not that meaningful in terms of what you can take away from today the things that you can control though or. Maybe you can but most likely your leadership can. How much control they can give you in your job So that's something really important to keep in mind as you know, you're not GonNa Change your ability but you can change the control and you can also change the job demand. So if the job doesn't have extremely high demand so if you're in a job where you feel overwhelmed all the time. then. If you can't get control over that if you can't space out your tests appropriately, etc that it's probably just too demanding for you and that's not like something to be ashamed of it. Just that jobs fit for you. So then maybe a different job, it'd be better. So it's kind of trying to figure out whether you can get more control of that job or if you need to go to a job that maybe has slightly different types of demands like maybe for example, if you're really bad at math and you're in. A job that does a ton of math that's really hard for you and very taxing. Maybe you shouldn't be in a job where math is the main piece of your job. Maybe switch to something else that you're better on have more meals at. Yeah. We're like if you're going through the interview process or something and you're recognizing that it seems like people are giving you the sense that this job is require a wad of demands it's going to be really demanding. It's GonNa require love resources to like think to yourself about. Okay. If I. Am I generally person who is higher in terms of a cognitive ability scale which really hard to know because. Everything that we use to measure cognitive ability is really a proxy for a lot of other things and things can get in the way. You know, where do you normally fall in those distributions like if you usually fall higher, you might say, okay, we'll probably be fine or maybe I can handle this better than someone else might. But if not, then you might have to say, okay, we'll during this process, let me ask a Lotta questions about control or time year. Let me try to get a sense of the extent to which I would have more controller atonomy because otherwise you might be signing up for something that would end up like burning you out in the long run exactly Yep. Exactly. So that's super interesting for the mental health side, right so Really helping your mental health if you can have some control over a demanding job or lower demands. Yeah. It came to physical health. It was a little bit different. So. Job Demands. Having high job demands. Led to actually better physical health when you had high control. So it was a really interesting. Finding they weren't really expecting that they were thinking that you know having really be major demands would lead to lower physical health and then control maybe helps that but like makes it like flat right like you're just normal. But this is actually better like they found that if you've got a lot of control of your job and your job is very demanding. You actually are better off physically and have a lower likelihood of mortality at the end of the study. That's interesting. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. So their theory is that. It's possible that if you have. A really high job control maybe. From being able to restructure your work so that you can take the time to exercise like those things that can't control right when you're looking at a study that this this big said something to consider for listening. You know there are a lot of things. There's obviously a ton stuff happening right tons and tons of stuff happening to people throughout these twenty years So, we can't control for everything. So we don't know all the reasons behind everything that's going on They tried to control for some things like they were controlling for certain factors like gender and race and socioeconomic status and things like that to make sure to try to reduce that noise but there's always gonna be some noise. So this kind of a result is always. Too because like will there's Like. It doesn't make sense to having a really high demanding job is going to lead to better physical health even if you have control. But there might be something else that's going on in. It might be something like this where it's now they've got more time to actually exercise or focus on their health or may be able go to the doctor because they can be flexible or whatever. That is right right? Yeah. That makes sense I I'm wondering did they control for like prior physical health or anything like that? Because one thing. So I worked with data like this for my thesis was from Australia. And one thing that I found in my in my results was that people who were working women who were breadwinners who were doing tons of hours in the household and tons of hours in the workforce I thought that they were going to have more negative physical health but what actually ended up happening was? Women who were able to work those long hours and also able to then turn around and come home and like continue doing a bunch of stuff. In the short term meaning like a few years they were actually able to. Hold Up. They actually ended up being more physically fit because they started off more physically fit in other words like if I have a lot of health challenges I'm probably not going to be able to sign up for a job that has that has me working that many hours any way in addition to like a bunch of stuff that has been working that many hours so it's kind of a backwards. Correlation kind of because in this study, it impacts mortality which there's nothing to predict after that right Yeah. It does seem like it's a little bit more related in that sense but it could be that. Maybe people were generally in better health which caused them to be able to take on these more demanding jobs, which caused them to then still have better physical health which caused him to than live in the you know what I mean. Yeah. Well, they didn't control. So I just look back and they control for mental and physical health at time one. So that means like in the when they first started the study whatever their mental and physical health is should. Not Be a fair that's Yeah. They looked at that. They looked at like I said, socioeconomic status race gender the types of things that could impact your health in a lot of ways you know like certain groups are impacted differently in terms of their, you know mental and physical health and types of markers because physical health measures really big measure that was all about risk factors for things like diabetes, etc, and obviously certain populations where some of those. Types of diseases occur more frequently, and that's why they were also controlling things like race. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. So. The argument is that. If you want to. Support People's well-being when they're in jobs that have a lot of demands you especially, if you're not sure what their cognitive ability is, which could be the case The goal is to provide people with more control because under those circumstances, they'll have more time and maybe more energy to be able to put towards physical health and it will also increase their mental health outcomes exactly Yep. So really the goal is for organizations, leaders managers to try to give people as much control as a can especially, if it's a demanding job and this is a message that we've I mean how many times have we said this rate autonomy out at a time he's good. It's it's just reiterating that. Point in a different way where we really want to make sure that if you have a demanding job, especially, it's important to have that taught that flexibility to be able to change your schedule. If you need to to be able to work on tasks and whatever order you want to work on them, be able to take a break to go for a run or whatever it is There's a lot of things that need to be taken into account when you think about those demanding jobs and I think it's really important for organizations and for managers and leaders to think about this as well so that they can make sure their employees are in better health and not dying young. Yeah I mean I think that's very, very important and obviously you never want to have your employees look back on their life literally and say that they could have lived longer and happier life had you not provided them with environment that was conducive to that. So really thinking hard about I think that is an outcome might really ring true to people in terms of what people care about and what they want to put out in the world that you know it's not the case that you know your your choices as a manager can have a big impact literally on the extent to which people may be able to live A. And happy life in this study shows that. So I think even just from that perspective having that outcome variable, which is not something we usually see in our literature might be able to make that case pretty clearly for people exactly and as an employee you know always focusing their physical health is obviously important and your mental health But then if there's a way that you can try to find more controlling your job or try to find jobs that are less demanding if you can't control them, I, think is really helpful I. It's really good information to take into account as you're. Stressed out at work all the time I. Mean I. Think a lot of people have these realizations after some sort of health scare, right? It's like, Oh, I've been working. Eighty hour weeks and I ended up having some sort of a cart palpitations or whatever. And then people tend to be like, oh my gosh, like look what I'm doing been running myself you know to on empty and I'm going to completely crash here. This is really not healthy and trying to adjust and I think that. This shows that. You need to think about that from the beginning from the get-go. This is twenty years in the first measurement was really early in the people's career and it had an impact overall so. It's really important to think about that early on your career if you haven't had that health if you're still young and healthy and don't have any chronic issues or anything going on that, you can think of than it's probably important to just make sure you're not taking advantage of that in such a way that it's going to actually hurt you in the long run. Yeah. Absolutely I think that's I. Think. That's really really. SMART because a lot of young people think they can just take a million demands without ever having to find that balance with regard to having control or I'll just like let this go for as long as I can see how long I can keep running with this, and if you don't stop to actually evaluate that at some point, a lot of time could pass you by and it could have an impact in the long term. I think that's really good advice. Thank you. Well, thank you for listening. I thought it was an interesting article even though it was about death. Yes. Well, I liked it. Yeah. Hopefully others have learned something from it and maybe this will encourage people to reevaluate the way they're managing their teams and their own career to make sure that they're. Not Putting themselves in situations where the job is way too demanding for them. So hope everyone is taking care of themselves. We'd love to hear from you as well. So please reach out if you have any questions, thoughts, concerns can email us at contact at worker being dot com you can find us on social worker being and by on a website or being. Worker being podcast is hosted by US, Patricia Gra Bar and Katina Sawyer and produced by Johnson.

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352: Danny Pea: Halo Infinite delay, Fortnite removed from iOS, Zelda Skyward Sword on Switch, Avengers Beta, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Touryst, Undermine

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352: Danny Pea: Halo Infinite delay, Fortnite removed from iOS, Zelda Skyward Sword on Switch, Avengers Beta, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Touryst, Undermine

"Were. Funder is doomed to get your blood pumping and wherever you are whenever you are, and however you happen to be listening which so loud you've chosen to shoot in. d. l., C. especially, if you're one of our geeks in sneaks using this podcast power you through a workout or Iran, we're going to be with you in your ear holes for ninety plus minutes a game and goodness because DLC's your downloadable commentary for the week delivered the way we love it to be, and that is completely free. Thanks to our sponsors. This week native and quip, they bring the show to you. DLC Of course, the show all about James in their many forms games played on desktops, laptops, and consoles also games that involved dice luck and cardboard. I'm your host Jeff Kenna that spell the two ends and won T and I am joined as always. But my friend slash co host. Slash Nemesis. The guy who still hasn't melted. Christian Spicer Hello Christian. Hey Jeff Harry Body. Yeah. That's because I've officially been delayed until twenty twenty one I want to give fans the best version of me and it's just not now. What's the version of we've we've been giving them for the last seven years. Though I mean twenty nineteen had some ups and downs. I mean the past few weeks have been bad. Yeah. Yeah on the previous six years. You were in your in. Your. Early access. Six Years Yup Gotcha. Coming soon, but multi-player has been hit so. Yes. We have delays to talk about we got a ton to talk about it is this summer just relentless with the with the video game. US. Interesting Games to talk about that we can play and we have an awesome guest to do it with you know the deal see always stands for downloadable Canada and you're downloadable Christian but this week I'm so excited because DLC. Stands for Danny's listening to call signs because we have the founder and host of Gamertag Radio Dan Penna joining us for the first time. Hey Danny Hey a first of all. It's an honor to be here. Man I know we met a couple of times they got to pass event, and this is the first time recording together finally meant. So it's really cool. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah Oh, it's my pleasure. We should've done a long time ago I'm so glad to have you. And we got a lot of juicy stuff to talk about Oh I know you're you're you're next box so we got a lot of xbox stuff to talk about so let's Jump right in and start to show the way we always do with story of the week. Story Young. Gets. The story on the wing, the in story week. Story of the week is the part of the show where we make our case for the most important stories that happened in the world of games. This week, you can always submit stories for our consideration by using our sub. Read it. That's five by five deal. DLC Dot read it Dot Com fun folks hanging out there posting stories posting feedback to the show host and video game discussions par excellence. You can also use old-fashioned if you WANNA, send us an email. We have one it's called. DLC feedback gmail.com. Yes, DLC feedback. EDGY MULE DOT COM. Love hearing from you whatever you'd like to tell us. Danny you our our guest. So you get first pick of stories. What would you consider to be your story of the week who think? Halo, infant men. Twenty twenty one and and the thing is next year is the twentieth anniversary of of the First Halo Game. So it makes sense it makes sense it comes out. Why they did it. Because of that, but I wish it was because but honestly, like I got to see the game, you know like everybody else during the game showcase and then we got invited through from three or four three to get to see this up behind closed doors virtually and yeah, we talked to to the team got some questions about the game and everything and. They seemed like they were very happy about presenting this to the world for the first time I and I've spoken to people even before they show this and they're were very excited but it seems like the crowd wasn't dad excited like the majority were just had a lot of mixed reactions about the station but I don't to me I I really enjoy the the taking it back to the old days of Halo like dad that type of. That type of style But yeah, it's just seidman. It's sad. But now reading more about it. I heard that That this game was it was planned to release by pieces. So it will be a little bit with the single player, not fully with the multi-player and so on. Throughout couple months like that. I feel like it's better that they're releasing it all into one package next year I. Think it's a lot better that. So yeah I guess that was under consideration I. Guess they deliberated on that for about twenty four hours before making the decision to delay the entire game and release. It as one piece as you said, which is an interesting interesting look behind the scenes as to what that decision process was like. But yeah, this is this is clearly huge news we have new consoles coming out this year Halo was poised to be hillary infinite was poised to be the premier launch title for Xbox Series Of course it wasn't exclusive to the next Janet was going to be playable across all the xbox family of consoles but NPC, for that matter but. This was really the the game. I mean this is the Super Mario World? Right. This is the pack in game that's going to pack. It wasn't a pack in, but is this was the game that was gonNA launch through the system and show its capabilities and after the first public showing of game play we talked on the show and lots of people across the Internet. Of course, we're giving their opinions. A lot of people didn't feel like it lived up to the hype or the promise of what next Gen should deliver and it sounds like. Three, four, three made made a decision to to really try to step up the presentation. In particular we talked about that press release three or four, three talk that put out about. How they agreed that some of the visual elements weren't up to what they were hoping and wanted more time to work on that and it sounds like Microsoft made the tough decision to push into twenty twenty one we do not have. A specific window in twenty twenty one we don't know if this is a now year push or just a few months or how long is this actually going to be as a delay? We. Do know that they have reconfirmed the console is not being delayed. So this will be a game that comes out well after the console is delayed. Now Danny I'm curious you said you you got some behind closed doors look at the game Are you glad that the game is getting more love before it comes out? Do you feel like it was lacking in your view? Did it does it feel like it needed this? Yeah I mean here's a thing I enjoy halo five multi-player wasn't too impressed with the story and I think with the game you could tell that they're really taking it back with massive chief Cortana. And Yeah I'm happy there's going delayed because the worst thing you can do is release a game. That is not a hundred percent there and it will get mixed reviews you want your flagship title to be. Getting nine and tens great reviews everywhere right and plus this is the product is visit. The game is going to help push the sales for not only for the consuls next gen console xbox series accent s the rumour Lockhart, but also this is going to help gave it gets even more subscribers to to subscribe to experts game pass. That's another thing that xbox really wants to push for for next. Gen. so yeah, you know what? Take their time a I'm happy that has got delayed meant. I'm disappointed at the moment of course record I was super excited to play this with my with my brother because we're Hugh Taylor fans but hey, take the time. I'm okay with it. Yeah in in one sense I kind of I tweeted this out when it happened. I think this is a baller move on Microsoft's part. Right this is Exactly. What we claim to always want as consumers as fans of video games is. Not to put out an unfinished product, not to put out a game as service that is just going to rely on being patched up to snuff. This is the the fallout, seventy sixers of the world right where you living product will put it out in this state that we're not particularly happy with, and you won't be particularly happy with. But at a certain point will patch it enough times that it'll get to be the thing that we all hoped it would be. But meanwhile it's alive game and we're charging real human dollars for it. This is the kind of thing we hope for. This is the kind of thing where a game isn't held captive by its marketing window. It isn't held captive by firm release that needs to happen. It really is allowed to be your this. We complain about this all the time as a community is all well, the marketing department decided on the release date so it came out and it wasn't great. This is the thing. This is Microsoft stepping up and saying Hey Our. Flagship. New Console. Is GonNA miss its flagship new game so that that game can make a good first impression on everyone and not have to be a game that is patched into excellence and I think that's pretty baller. Christian. We had Phil Spencer on. Animal. Talking with. Gary. Widow. Talking about how basically? Microsoft's angle. This generation isn't to sell more consoles than Sony or Nintendo quote if selling more consoles than Sony Nintendo was our approach, we wouldn't put our games on PC. Spencer said, we wouldn't put our games on xbox one. We wouldn't do X. Cloud allow people to play games on their phones. How many consoles do I sell versus how many consoles does another company sell Sony or Nintendo or any other company back in the day? That's not our approach. So Christian, my question to you is clearly this is going to impact. XBOX series x sales. How much of a Cliff drop do you expect from this? At least initially, not a big one and I, think that's because. People like the three of us. The Tech Lust people depending on when it comes out and shortages potentially and getting these things out and people's price point you're right and so I think initially through year it'll be okay I I do. So. It's like. One when I see stuff like this I'm always like, oh, it's going to be a fun week of deals To it I'm glad they're delaying it right like I want the best game. I want the best game possible to come out. But. Something messed up. You know like. They announced it for years or a year whatever it's been that this is a launch title granted. You could play it across different councils or whatever This was not their plan so I don't necessarily disagree with you that it's a quote baller move, but it's not. I, I guess to me the baller move is. You get it right now recognizing it before the public sees it. Yeah. Yeah. You and I know that make games is very hard in games often get delayed but yeah, this could have been an easy decision and I for everyone involved and I hope that this means that they're not crunching for extended months. I feel that oftentimes it's it's the opposite in it's just longer it's crunch to try to. but I think I I, I'm going to paraphrase 'cause You know there's too many texts that I want want to scroll up through but I do wonder besides like you Danny and I in folks like us. You know who buys an xbox series x now at launch when most of the Games that we know about the big games to be kind of hyped about are available either on your current on Seoul or your ps four or maybe you're ps five or your pc like what and I'm not saying don't buy xbox series ex but what I am saying is, what is the appeal to buy one at launch? At all other van. New Shiny. See for me it. All depends what xbox is going announced next for in August or the rumour says he got back to September if they will surprise us either with a game or maybe have something like a special limited time only. You get. Let's say. Six months of game pass or or year of. If you buy. The console La Carte or. xbox he respects. Then people will actually probably will by you know like limited time only maybe that will push people to buy puppy size that if there's no other big game, you could just keep on playing with the original xbox. xbox one or you just get a tablet or moment and also played through x cloud you really don't need to buy a council. Now when I think once once we see more titles coming out then yeah. Desktop pretending for people to actually by the concept they woman. But so but at the end of the day, you think about it. Like you were saying, Jeff, that's not their focus to sell the car also all. Yes it might hurt them short term because there's no halo infinite but in the future is going to help them more people going to subscribe to the service I think even without buying series sacks. Yeah. It's going to be very interesting to see what this lockhart announcement consists of because all indications are it will be an xbox series S. like Sam and and that will be this very low cost alternative to get in on this generation without a disk drive and who knows what else that may well be a primarily streaming type device. We don't know exactly what is going to be, but the idea is that it will be this very low cost entry point to this generation and if. If Microsoft strategy such as it is. is to say, Hey. You can you can get a hundred excellent games for very little upfront costs and then ten dollars a month or zero front cost, and like fifteen dollars a month or something like if they roll the cost of an s into a monthly fee if you know subsidize the purchase of the new console some somehow or make it like getting a phone used to be where you basically get a phone for free with the subscription to the service. They do that with s or even with series X. That's a pretty compelling idea for people looking at the holidays in if you're not super excited about Sony exclusives which I happen to be but maybe there are others who you know aren't super excited about them That's a pretty compelling argument to say, Hey, low barrier to entry and you have all of these great games. And it's it's low cost monthly. I. Think I think there's a case to be made and we really haven't seen that case because we don't know what s is how much it's GonNa cost what their plans are. But if that all coalesce is like you're saying, Danny September we may be looking at a very different kind of. Environment here scare I could tell you my theory which I'm I talked about this with with mccalls, Paris and Pete. So you know the the the leak of the controller just came out. Yeah. Why Controller I think is robot white. was supposed to be coming out sometime in November and independence his talks about xbox ex an S. so my theory is I think in order for Microsoft to have lockhart as cheap as possible why not sell that consul without the controller because if you have the xbox one controller or the elite, the data controller, you could still play Lockhart using those old controllers you'll need you don't need to get a council with that controller in including until the box do only way Microsoft could manage to do something like that is have it in bald controller is not included. Box, right so they could. They could have that console four to fifty or even one, ninety nine. Yeah. That'd be pretty massive. Yeah. People will actually buy I think parents especially they'll go to the store. Do you know during a black Friday they'll go and they'll see. Oh Wow. The new consoles costs a hundred, ninety, nine bucks I'm buying this. because. They'll be talking through their masks when they say yes I, hope. So host. But you know what I'm saying, it looked, I think I do Microsoft could change the conversation in September when they have their next digital event and it's all about the price how three four, three change the conversation when everybody was talking about the graphics as soon they found out. That the multiplayer was going to be free conversation completely change completely change and I think xbox could do seem exacting with the price of this council I love the idea of it being this strip down like we'll give you a controller. Yeah. It's like it's like old OEM's. It's like it's just a brown paper bag and inside it is most of an Xbox, there's no shell or case or anything but an. Cheapening. Controller. Took on all the lights serve branding. It's just a it's just a circuit board really and no. But I I. Think you're right all joking aside I think you're right that the. The potential for them having this really low key. Now, of course, we also know that there's too skews of the playstation five. We don't know the price Delta between those. It doesn't seem like it's going to be quite as drastic as what they're attempting with. Lockhart. But there's a lot of question marks still. Christian are you are you compelled by this? This notion you think that Microsoft has A. Potential. Sales Pitch for a holiday twenty twenty that might actually put them ahead of the game. I like the idea of a console without a controller as an option because they have been so good about saying all of your old stuff works and you likely have one and you can buy control if you want one bundled with it if you want also but I do like that option, I, like it a lot I. Probably I have a an elite that I really like and unless they show me something that their new controller can do. That you know this can't I probably would continue to use. Miley Sony has been saying you know that their controller is special whizbang and all this stuff that ps four controllers don't have. So you're GONNA want that be five controller for that experience but if the xbox controller is kind of you know same thing. Yeah. I. Probably would opt for that controller less console going into it. I think the thing that's interesting here about this conversation that we're having. Is I agree with a lot of it, but it's all about their services. We're not talking about the they could offer that right now you know like, yes the new console will be faster better but I think the question kind remains is like. You're buying this box to play I guess the best version of across Gen game, and so they're bundling it with these services to get that done. But like this services and these bundles on all of these things that we're talking about they all already exist. So it's like it seems like what Microsoft would be doing if they position it this way in a big way to try to move the box is a a fallback, right like Oh. We don't have the thing we were going to try to use to get these out. Let's do this instead or to what extent like that interview with Gary You know they don't care the Mardi paying my monthly you know it's just it's I forget. Where it was maybe I've mentioned it on this show before like Hollywood reporter and I'm paraphrasing a lot here but the anecdote remains were I think it was the J.J? Abrams is just like it's really weird to know that my show doesn't need to make money and no one needs to watch it because you only point of my show is to sell a hundred more iphones. Each year is a new mentality for me and it's like There's this disconnect and Microsoft I think is playing that game. Now, I'm not going to buy series Zach's they look at my account in there like xbox live subscriber for twenty years. ultimate came alternate subscriber for four. Okay. But also isn't it weird to be in that position where? They're doing everything writes in a sense I feel a little disappointment I feel like this sadness of Oh they're not coming out guns blazing on November the whatever teeth the same day to day is different than the thing that has also coming out guns blazing and they're gonNA go head to head like old paradigm that I find myself sad to lose. But what it's being replaced by something that is Definitely better rate was better. Is Microsoft going hey. Don't worry about it. You don't have to spend six hundred dollars right now. Hey, don't worry about it. You're not going to have to spend sixty dollars, five times to get all these cool launch titles. Don't worry about it. You don't have to get a new controller you don't have to. It's all very consumer friendly and Hey. We're not gonNA rushed halo out to try to dominate holiday twenty twenty and make our flagship thing be so much more popular even if it's not ready right now they're doing all the right moves and I still find myself going. That's a bummer. Yeah I'll tell you I tell you what Jeff we're not used. Man Peace Reigns PC's been doing that forever right mobile phones every time apple announces a new phone everybody's like Oh. My God I'm getting new phone, but you're using the same apps seem everything from the previous one, and this is the first time that we're seeing this on the council. And yes, Casa Wars that is done that's been done. This generation is completely because Nintendo is. Something completely different xbox is doing something totally different and playstation. Hey, they're comfortable where they at they're also doing something totally different compared to everybody else and now. Now for us, as Gamers that we've been playing video games for so long this is going to be like the most. Interesting Nexgen for us because now we have more options we do have. Options option actual. You remember the days back in the nineties it was either you only have nintendo Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis you want blood for motto Combat Hey you got the journalists like. Options now we have so many and the good thing is that I love approach of about with xbox is doing is now the xbox committee is going to grow even more people are gonNA play xbox. For the first time on their on their mobile device that they they don't have the money to to afford like to buy a brand new council but the have a mobile android device into have a controller. Yeah it's not an iphone. That's another conversation but yeah. I think it's really cool. I, can't wait to see. The future with all this think it'd be really fun for all of us. Man I'm on that I'm on that I'm on board with that as well. Yeah. I'm on that train Let me ask you before we get off topic. Let me ask you guys one more thing because we've talked we swayed to sort of talking about Microsoft and in general and not really about Halo Infinite in particular and my question to you Danny and Christian Danny I is. What do you hope to see when Halo Infinite is re? Unveiled read re debuts whenever that may be three months six months a year from now. We see hale infinite and they're like, okay, we're back. Is it just like sweet ray tracing and flashy stuff or do you want to see a fundamentally different game in some way I just want a fun experience I I'm one of those people that I really don't care much about the graphics I've always been that way since I was young. And I'm GonNa give you a perfect example Jeff. I have more hours playing the witcher three online nintendo switch. Then switch on my swing xbox one console you know wiping free covid we travel out right. So I was thinking my switch with me. So yes, not four. K. But I had a blast and that's what I want with Halo Anthony I just want a game that is fun interesting story something that I'm Never GonNa forget you know I. I remember playing Halo the First Halo almost twenty years ago. That I level was like, wow, that was amazing trying to escape from that ship. Go Yeah. That was it was amazing experience and and I also remember. Watching the demo that they had. It was hailed to Addie three right before the game came out I. Think it was like a year or so and that was amazing. That was Arab. I remember watching that devil for the whole year onto the game came out you know so. Asked the type of of content and Demel that I will love to see with with a three from three three just GonNa get me super excited about the game and you know so yeah, show something really cool man. That's what I want Christian from my point of view I wanna see some rays traced. You know next time I'm hoping at least we get some some traced raise. But what what would you like to see the next time? That Halo POPs his head from the ground. graphically, it's a showpiece I want one hundred and forty four frames per second. I will one hundred and twenty frames per second I want ray traced and I want a I that feels as smart as it felt the first time. I. Played. Halo twenty years ago. Being I'm being flanked. Oh. This is GonNa happen like other Games have caught up but I I want that and then game wise I grew with Dani said I mean I, want a compelling narrative that pulls me through this game and is interesting and intriguing about master chief in this world he lives in what what is actually happening and I want the bombast set piece levels to help break up the running gun first person shooting Halos done a really good job with that and I mean that that will do it. I think the story is the bigger question for me I think graphically, I will likely enjoy the game and I. Hope You know. I thought reach was was great. I really love him. They told their without masks chief. The first halo is so interesting because everything was this puzzle in new and fresh and I hope they're able to recapture that for Halo Infinite. I'D BE SURPRISED IF ANYTHING CHANGES STORY WISE between now and whenever the game comes out I feel like it's a lot of Polish stuff that they're trying to. You know that that wow factor that that eye-popping factor and hopefully all that stuff was already in place as far as story wise and campaigns set pieces and stuff. Hopefully, that was already going to happen if this had come out in November is just the. The stuff that makes it feel next Jenny I, is what they're going to try to inject into it but we'll see we'll see anybody when I make a prediction as to the next time we see a halo or when when it will actually release you guys think it'll be a full year delay or do you think it'll be just a few months? What what your guest downing I think my prediction is. If we get to see this at e three of there's ever eighty three next year I think the game Mike come out then either September. Unless, they have a major coming out in November or if not, then release it during the twentieth anniversary of Halo. Power and apparently cool that'll be cool. That'd be cool I mean that's a long delay though do you Christian? Do you agree do you think it'll be like a full year delay? If I had to guess, Jess off my seat of my. Pants if were wearing pants. february-march yeah. Interesting. But you know why I said that Chris. because. They said delay to twenty, twenty one and say early say late you know so yeah, I just don't see this coming out early next year. It's a it's a huge question. It's a huge question I. I'm kind of going to split you guys down the middle I. Think it's probably more like a this time of year next year I. Think it's like a June July game maybe but at that point, maybe it's worth to kind of hold onto it and make the big fall game in a year man that's just crazy. Wait another year for for Halo we shall see. Christian Spicer. What is your story of the week? I mean, I don't know about you guys. I am so hyped for this next season of fortnight I have my iphone and my all ready to go whichever store gets the update I. I'm getting the season I. logged. Mobile Fortnight player boy. I got bad news for you. Christian got bad. Bad News, they delayed the season and the. Big Deal. Yeah. It's more than a bit of a delay. Already have downloaded right It was getting a little big. So I deleted GonNa it before the season starts. Yeah, you should have no problems then. Just tell me how that goes. On the news here is. epic and apple and Google epic and fortnight seems to have A. Pretty coordinated response to Apple's thirty percent, take on their APP store for things like subscriptions that are sold through games and and their general approach to how they handle their ecosystem and kind of. I mean I have to imagine there are some behind the behind doors discussions about this stuff. The way things unfolded publicly what happened is for night said Hey. We're reducing the cost of V box and you can buy directly from us now for X. dollars or you can keep buying through the apple APP store, but it's GonNa cost you X. percent more but just click here and buy just from us. They did that as like an endgame update without going through the traditional APP store kind of review, procedures. That was the gauntlet threw down and apple is like You can't do that. That violates terms and they removed the game from the APP store fortnight been released a trailer parodying apple's nineteen eighty-four trailer it a lawsuit also a lawsuit it while the trailer can and they filed a lawsuit than Google joined apple and also banned from the Google play store. If you are on Android, you can side load and there are still ways to to play on Android not attorney or Blah Blah, Blah Blah to me I think. I mean, that's the biggest part of the story. The biggest part of the story is that I'm supposed to believe epic Games is the scrappy underdog like throwing. A hammer at apple like the these are billion dollar companies. I neither one of them. Is the common person. Like. And that nineteen eighty-four at other than like the iconography of the slap toward apple. But This is big and I'm curious before I potentially ramble Danny I'm curious where you think this lawsuit. Ends in what you think it mean for the apple APP store and Google play store as we currently know them is a great question because apple right now they're very. Very. Strict with their APP store right. So I know the big controversy a week a week ago was about. xbox couldn't have. They couldn't release the Iowa's version of Project S cloud through the APP store. Because of the same situation that that that that epic is talking about the thirty percent that they want from from the any sales right and also I heard that they wanted to review every game this release through the APP of game. Pass Review themselves to as I come on that's US too much. So I think look how the thing about epic they were the ones with this game for night they were the ones they change the conversation we're Crossley. If force Sony to make that because a lot of people were complaining. And they finally said you know what? Let's add in the game for the playstation four version and now everybody could play cross play even of his mobile or not. So. I think. This is the beginning of more company speaking out and I hope that apple mixes changes because at the end of the day were not pushing them the industry four. If they're not allowing this, you know status in the same situation right a and video with their streaming service having the same exact situation because of Apple. So I think I think more companies are going to speak up man about this meant. So this I think is going to be a good thing now is apple's going to make the change right away I don't think. So we might see that in the future per not not right now I don't think so. It is an interesting situation. You're right. Christian. It's hard to. Sort of feel like anybody is on the side of the consumer despite how epic seems to want to portray themselves as being on the side of the consumer because it's like, no, we should have all of our money. They shouldn't take any of our money, but it's like well but. I don't know that is helping me out. Yes. The prices for inept things probably are bloated because everybody's getting their share and maybe the prices will reduce slightly if if these platform holders on getting their shares but ultimately, this is about which company is getting the money getting my money everybody's money and there's some trickle down to much smaller devs and smaller teams that will be able to do things if they aren't having to account for big shares taken by these PLATFO platform holders. But despite all of that. It does pretty clearly seem to be a monopoly issue, right? It's if you're in control of these platforms and I want to allow consumers to buy something on your platform in a different way not using your platform. Why should you tell me I can't do that? I? Think it's a pretty legitimate. Lawsuit. We'll see how it plays out in your. You know you're the guy with the former laud license maybe you can school me here if I'm if I'm wrong and how I read it, but it sure seems to me like a pretty. Reasonable position to say, yeah no, you are selling things to store and. You'll take your cut, but I wanNA sell things in my cart next to the store that work in the same. We're going the same way. Why do you get to throw my things out of the store just because I'm also selling it in a cart but tell me where I'm wrong here. I mean, I think you're right in terms of how the public views that I think and I haven't you know fully in gross myself in the legal complexities of this but I don't think they have a monopoly or close to it I think the fact that they're suing both Google and apple shows that at best there's a duopoly which already proves than there's autumn monopoly, the APP store apple once you get out of the United States is. Far outweighed by android in the diversity and android operating systems. Some that don't even support the Google play store like there are other ways plenty of other ways. To do this and I also I think. I. To me and I realize that it is it's not pro-consumer. The Way Apple has their their thinks it up in many respects but also I'm kind of afraid of by phone becoming. Mike Gaming, PC Have, the EPA game store steam, the APP store some other unscrupulous APP store that it. No we already have that some with like that are maybe taking too much data but like. There's a reason I've stayed in the apple ecosystem and I don't side load much. You know when I was playing with android phones I I I think that there is a value add to apple selling a device that people use for kind of everything and saying, Hey, you can trust this the things that are on it and the things that you can get on it were in terms of how that helps their support in and. People's use of that device. I think that they are able to set the terms of what works on their device. You do not need in apple phone to taxed call send pictures do any of those things so I think that to me I don't know if it will go here or not to me. That's the interesting legal argument is like. Do. What's given monopoly on the APP store? Okay. But I don't have an monopoly on phones or Bobo phones or smart owns. It seems to me now tell me if this analogy is flawed. But. I'm trying to come up with a similar type of a situation in my brain went to. You know those like keurigs, things and other was copy protection and curate. I'm not going to get into that. But imagine you want to go to the grocery store and buy a machine that lets you make delicious cups of coffee. That machine takes very specific cartridges in order to make that Cup of coffee, the store, the grocery store you bought the machine from also sells those cups of coffee, but you can go to the website of the manufacturer of the machine and they'll sell you those little cartridges. themselves. It would be like if the grocery store said, no, we're throwing your product out of our store because you're letting people buy those cartridges. Directly from you without going through us. And it would also be like there's only two grocery stores and they're both saying that. I kind of think that's messed up. You know. That was a strained analogy but. I think you do you the other side of that how many times have I heard we cut out the middleman we're passing on those savings direct to you. And by the way I don't think store necessarily through them out per se but I bet it would be more expensive if they were selling that item in a store for all of those reasons I don't happen here is that the apple said you can't do that. You can't cut out the middleman we are the middleman and we won't let you sell your thing that you can't put your thing in our customers hands because you're trying to cut us out of all the extra money you're making. Yeah I I'm I'm curious to follow this I. Think this'll be a story that continues endanger I'm curious to get your thoughts as well but to me feel like in this doesn't necessarily make it right but you know what you're getting into when you sign up to put a game or an APP on on the phone on apple device and you're okay with it it it just I don't I'm not of a fan of this move by epic is coordinated kind I could be wrong I might have a different next week but right now it doesn't feel great to me what the epochs approach all of this how they're handling it. They I do think there in goals to get the EPA game store on two folds. While it necessarily wouldn't be a bad thing in terms of as I look at my computer in the stores, the store fronts, I have their Yeah I think apple I think a legally I think they're in the right to say this is our foam. This is our device. We are dictating what apps are allowed on it. That's the end of the day. The end of the story how you could your grocery store analogy it's not the same thing. It's you know. Yeah to me it to me that announcement quite work. There are other. Than that analogy, there would also be like data and stores that sell groceries and you know like all the ways you can do the same thing 'cause the phone is such a there are so many other ways to do all the things a phone does but four. The bundled APPS and services that apple makes available their devices and Google does on there's I don't know it seems like a loser to me for epic but I think that they will likely for some changes based on the public opinion. I think maybe the part of the reason I'm a little crappy on epic I don't like the way they're incentivizing gamers to like Hash tag free. For night kind of thing like weaponized. Users. It doesn't feel like a good ernest play to me but I hope I. Hope I'm in I. Hope I'm wrong. I'll never know my question to you guys. So fortnight is available on. XBOX and playstation store rate and also unintended is it thirty percent industry standard or resist that? That from Apple. My understanding is that's from an apple atoll. Only two I. think that's xbox. Also I don't think I don't know what they're cut is off top of my head but I think it is around like if you're selling stuff through the place for Sony's getting a cut. Thirty percent. Thirty percent I don't know I I think I think that was maybe the old way but maybe. Maybe is lower not I mean we don't know I would like to do more research about. Chat says, it's thirty percent across the across the board. Okay. All right. Thanks yet. Interesting. It's a big story and it's not going away especially the way you know it. Yeah. I don't know it's I. Mean this is this is how epic. Attempted to set their their PC storefront apart to is to change that fee and reduce it to entice developers to come over and actual make more money. 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Games. are coming to switch or have you know are being ported we already have old game is being Being ported and older game, even older games being completely remade. Skyward sort of course was the we version of Zelda I really loved skywards great but it did have a lot of the wagle controls. The. Control, movement which of course would not translate to a switch. They'd have to do some some changes. WanNa ask you Danny a would you be excited about a skyward sword as a fall twenty twenty? Switch game and be how much different would you hope it is would you want to see a full sort of remake re master or just a a port that changes some of the controls? I'M GONNA keep it real here. When that came up with the we I stop playing as I just didn't like the whole. Motion Control. At all and I a game looked amazing at that time when it came up for the week. So I hope that is more of traditional controls and also remastered. Have you know the graphics allow better and you know how crazy that every time there's a port? For Than Center switch is sells like crazy no matter what feels like. The switch commuters so hungry when it comes to content doesn't matter as older. New, people will buy that right away day one. So that's what I think. I saw something like six switch games in the top ten, which is just bloggers everybody's. Hunkering Down with switch games for quarantine. but Christian I I remember obviously there was the you know Wagle remote to swing your sword and stuff like that. But there was also all these wonderful little moments. There was a remote control little thing that you would fly around and take control of, and you had to do it with the accelerometer. There was a lot of remote integration in that game, it really was trying to show off. All, these wacky ideas that memo had for the remote. Any of that worth salvaging I mean, they're still get still accelerometer in the switch isn't there I? Think there is. Any of that still salvaging or salvaging or throw it all out and just make it traditional. Not The light, you could take the joy con off. And Yeah that's true. left-handed. Play it traditionally to some extent I I would like to see them do a reimagining in kind of take all of the out of the game I, think that's the best path forward for people that might want to experience this either on their switch lied or with a pro controller, and there are a lot of people that while the we was certainly a huge seller and the game sold well agree with any I. think there are a lot of people you know that would jump on. It now and play it and it's again we talked about hailing twenty years ago as we're all a bunch of olds games old, there are a generation teamers that haven't played it and I think it to me lost its threat a little too much from remembering correctly with kind of the backtracking that happened that I felt will a lot of that laborious even for a Zelda game but I thought it did a lot right it was really cool also. So in my ideal world, it's not a full Link's awakening style reimagining that they did, but it is something a little more than. Take Joy con off and play it like used to I. Hope it kind of medium and they upgrade those controls a little bit. It's funny I didn't even think about that. It's totally could have a control style that is. Similar to the with with the joy Khan and boy I, don't think that would be good but. That is a game I defended a lot I thought scoured. Sort was awesome. I, loved the art direction and playing in those those islands above the clouds and flying on that whatever creature. But over the creature was called that you fly around on that game. So many really cool moments I loved that game. But yeah, you're right the. The second half to you know last third was a lot of tedium. But still very good game. Anyway I'm hopeful that comes out on switch I. think that'd be a cool thing. It sounds like we're not really getting a big. Marquee original title from Nintendo at the in the holiday of two thousand twenty at least I can't think of one unless we've heard about the ruber is the what was the that? Thirty Fifth Anniversary of Mario? Decibels. The our yeah. Yeah. remastered Mario. They've been teasing I don't know Nintendo been posting. Morrison pitchers for the past few times now this year so I don't know why they're doing that. So I think Christian and I've been wanting galaxy and galaxy to switch. rattles or gems right there Jaffrey Games yeah. Alright. Well, that's going to do it for stories of the week. Let's jump in and start talking about the games that we have been playing. In the playlist. Plan. The play. Danny. What has captured your attention this week. What's on your playlist? Well, I'm not allowed to say my precious Bobbin playing battlefields. That's that's Oh born that later this week so have. been waiting for that game for a very long time. So Yeah, I saw the plane that I'm also I'm back playing streets of rage four. So a have that game for the switch and also for xbox completed one hundred percent of suite. So. Dow. Wanted to the same thing for now on a unlock achievements with this version. So her I mid. Yeah. Very committed in that. Of course, I just loved the soundtrack. So it's truly amazing and I just read downloaded of final fantasy seven for because they just came up for Game Paso planning that not the remake but the remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Saba. Played sort of PC version that they did several years ago now, your so that those are the three games recently been playing a lot Oh and also not stop finding star online to I'm a huge family star fans says the original dreamcast as so I'm excited for new genesis come down next year technically that game supposed to be fancy starlink three but. Sega Japan, they want to keep it as too because they have a huge huge Comedian game in Japan. That's how they're making the most money from that. So they keep the same name, but just added new genesis in there. So yeah, but. It's crazy. People are still playing fantasy star man I remember playing the game. However many decades ago was now So. Let's. Let's dig in a little bit on on the other stuff that you were. You were talking about you playing the final fantasy seven version that's free on game pass. Is there a reason that you went there instead of going remake as it just because you already have game pass and it's there or? Did you want more authentic experience of playing the game? Did you play final seven originally? Is this the first experience with? No? No, it's not my first time. I play this when it came up for the original playstation but I haven't played remake yet. And this along reason why haven't but I'm waiting for the places I come out 'cause I I left my I I left my places for back in Miami because I moved here in your and and yeah, I'll play once the PS comes out in the future. So but the thing is I want to play this game and I'll just want unlock achievements for the first time I played. Yeah, just about the chief. Some Games I. Care about the TV than just don't really care much about it. But yeah. So Yeah Yeah. Well, that's interesting. I mean I kind of. I've been spending a lot of time on game pass lately and I interpreted that as is feeling a little weird them trying to sort of draft behind the release of remake and it'd be like we got it on game pass. It's. Just getting clicks of people thinking it's that game. Relevant, but it's felt like, oh, that's weird. But I guess you know it's valuable for people who actually want the authentic. Experience of what that game was might be a good comparison point for you. Jeff to remind you think of it like this like I have a have a lot of subscription services you know shudder neff legs Amazon. Prime. Sometimes I go back and watch old movies. Is Not new to me I I see the. So think of it as like that like I do the same exact thing for the service is available. There I'm GonNa play and and just going to bring back a lot of memories. You know like I have doom sixty, four I I even missed are playing final fantasy nine when it came out for the original playstation and the reason why I? Totally skipped 'cause during that time that's what places two came out dream Kosovo's availables I completely this that game like I missed it. Right. So it was available on game pass and I played it a couple of months ago for the first time and I enjoyed it in also I think a service like this even places in now when they start adding games that a whole generation never even played a game or maybe people like us that we just maybe they have the time when it came out this opportunity for us to to play this game for the for assignment you know. So I think school is awesome. Totally. Yeah. No. I agree I agree I was just wondering what your specific way in was that school and fantasy star online. Do you have a crew that you run that game with or is it just one that scratches stalled for you and you're still hooked on that universal actually with my brother. So for those though I started into new radio in two thousand, one because of the original dreamcast game fantasy star line. So I did I did a little radio show at that time strictly about that game and That's the that that game completely change my life my. So when I heard that fantasy star line to was coming out. It was only available in Japan. I got super excited. How was said at e three sitting down with my crew? And a an. And they show the trade I'm like wait a minute. I know that Music Oregon I know this character I, know I know this this is this is funny storyline med like I I got super excited I was the only one screaming from that crown looking like. What's going on over here but yes oh, I have a long history in that game and I'm always playing with my brother. yes. So we have long history that game. So that's very cool. Yeah. Very cool. All right Christian Spicer I. Know Your playlist has a lot of interesting stuff. Let's start with the the vendors Beta because you and I both have played that it was free. This weekend on playstation is that is a how you're playing it. I played it on. Some curious, your station experience of Flake Yeah because you had preordered on pc or what was the situation there yeah. Yeah I've I was going to preorder it in order to get into the Beta but then I saw that it was free on the playstation. If you have a playstation plus subscription, I was like, well, why commits? Maybe. I'll want spiderman out for all. So I hopped on downloaded on the playstation and give it a horrible. What was your impressions of Avengers? So. I. Didn't do a lot of war table stuff. So this is mostly my time focusing on what I'm going to want to focus on when I play the game a like kind of the single player that they present to you the story narrative stuff and I think for me I kind of summit up as I think, this game will be a lot like Djeddai star wars yet I fallen order I will really enjoy it. It won't be something that the generation console generation is remembered for, but it will be a good fun game that has quirks and problems. You know like that was fun. I had a good time with that. Yes there were like fun romp through an Ip that you love. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Exactly I think that the characters control really well while one I should say. Finished the positives negatives, the P. C.. Beta was not super optimized. There were times where it was cranking away and I was like this is incredible. Look at all these frames and then there were times of like stuttering sound drops I had one crash but I read of several like my computer I've a twenty seventy super not the top of the line but a pretty beefy PC. I felt like you know my computer was it broke its form, but it still managed to dead lift the way you know what I mean. Heard Knack but it got it up. A. Lifelong problems. Yeah. It's going to have a chronic issue but. That's that's it fell. And I'll echo some of the things that Anthony said last week. I. Thought it looked it looks good in motion but it feels a little generic to me in like A and again, maybe I think the way fallen orders like, yeah, this is cool. But like. Not I wasn't like blown away by the set pieces. I. Saw an I'm sure they're holding some of that back, but it's Going to like it a lot but I was not allowed by any heart of my experience and I think the weirdest part is when you get into kind of that war table in that loop grind stuff. Because it does seem. Odd that they tried to apply. To say destiny, but there are several games at do it. But that destiny approach to gear and it's like here's hulks bicep. You're putting this gauntlet on and now his bicep is twenty more percent sepe and it's like. Why Zoom in and show me his? Vice when there's not a it's weird. It's really they really tried to go for that. You know assassin's creed or destiny style changing my load out as I see things but it is just a number I. Don't I don't understand why this is my my spine is wrong or now. Yeah but it's interesting they they seem to want you to have. have to load out specific to emission like Oh this is a Cold Tundra you blow up on your cold gear, and then this is a different area so. I find that interesting in the sense that it's not just do what is the maximum at any given time it's not just you know you're bests stuff and put it on and forget about it. There is a management to that which I think is a layer of strategy that is welcome in these kinds of games from my perspective but I agree with you that it is weird to zoom in on a bracelet for common cons arm. And the you know Sita Bracelet there she's just holding up her arm where a bracelet might be and you're selecting which cool bracelet you're you're have but you see no visual representation of that and yet we're zooming in I. DO agree with you that that's weird. Yeah I. I wish that this game was just a single player avengers game still and I'm sure I will probably get a little bit more time out of it from some of the multi-player wore table stuff grinding for gear but it seems like not the right fit to me and I'm of course, reserve judgment until the whole thing comes out What is it on? The fourth, but it doesn't feel like the game fit the style of game they're trying to to make it and I think because of that, the entire game is going to suffer a little bit in that in that bums me out because what they're parts of what's there are are really really fun. The really good. Now I think the other thing for me that holds it back though is that it does feel more like I think I compared it to marvel ultimate alliance three last week in it does feel closer to that for me in terms of the combat than something even light ghost of Sushi Emma or Arkham Games. It doesn't. Might even claims as as as tight and I think. When push comes to shove threes and I keep going back to destiny as someone who isn't you know obsessed with meeting all of the gear, all the loot if destiny in my opinion is one of the best feeling first person shooters and I'm afraid that avengers will not be one of the best feeling Third Person Action Games. Well, it's interesting that they're trying to do the destiny thing as a melee game I think that's an interesting challenge. And it's interesting how they're approaching that raided. It is fascinating I agree with you that the combat is a is a bit button Massey and. There was a part of me when I was playing as going I guess this character should be button Massey but. I wish all the characters played more differently from one another and yeah, you only get a taste of few characters here and there in the in the Beta at least what I played of the Beta. but everybody has the same. It's almost like they're skinning the the different things that everybody can do and the skinning is great. You know Captain America's thing works a lot different than nine man's thing works a lot different than the hawks thing. In style. But in as far as application, it's basically the same tool set regardless of characters and I wish that wasn't the case I. Think it would be much cooler if they played wildly different from one another and it really did feel like a different class. More like something from. Wow. When you're like I'm as a healer now where I'm playing is a As a male or you know it's it's wildly different approaches even though the mechanics are all based around the same. Tool set. Anyway. I agree, go ahead. Sorry I think I think we might see some of that as it opens up more but for me again I think I will really like this and I will immensely enjoy playing it don't anticipate it being on my five favorites of the year the other thing that I think this Beta showed me was my concern of like very generic enemies and. Fallen order also had that, but maybe it's just me but there's always something satisfying slicing stormtrooper with the light burs nothing generic about a storm suit trooper though that's you know that's the conic enemy. So yeah. Yes. Exactly and here it's like I'm a robot and like hulk smashes through buildings, but I have to smash this robot five times. And then like I'm a name guy in a purple, which I guess is Kinda Cool 'cause kind of comic book it doesn't quite fit this world it just it doesn't quite all of the pieces don't add up in my opinion. Yeah I was more impressed with it. I thought I would be especially visually on my playstation for pro I thought played very very well, it looked great. In fact, that's opening set piece. We play all the different people on the Golden Gate Bridge, all the different you know sort of core avengers on the Golden, gate bridge during this crazy attack like we haven't seen a bunch of. Run throughs of that impress events I would have been really blown away by that. It's a really cool sequence full of awesome qt's and really dynamic fights and visuals leaping off of the sides of buildings as they're blowing up and stuff I thought that whole sequence was really cool and I hope there's lots more of that kind of thing in the game. and. I had fun like you. I had fun in the. Combat taking down tons of enemies at once. Had Fun swinging around as comic. Con. and. Using her long year, her IMB Ligon I guess when it's called a super move and getting giant swinging around and. It was fun. It's a fun game. Is it going to have that long lifespan? I like you have some doubts but I I'm much more optimistic about this game than I had been before I actually got my own hands on it and and that's exciting I. Hope I'm rooting for it I want it to be great. So we'll have one more thing when mention about that I think the whole controversy about Spiderman I think by the time that DC comes out next year nobody's going to be talking about it. Man Everybody's GonNa move on. There's going to be so many other games. CYBERPUNK and and that's the thing that I'm worried about that game like like you guys were saying is I just don't see people playing this for a very long time maybe sure term. Yeah. But once all these games and next GEN console comes out that people are going to move on. Man. Does. Right. Thank. You may be right we we shall see I. Hope it is least worth. Playing, through the story stuff and having some fun with friends. Yeah. Definitely. I'm rooting for rooting for. Christian what else is on your playlist while. Also got to play my new game of the year like last of US protrudes. Good. I liked it. I guess you know it was like fine I guess it was all right my goodness I love las joking. But this Tony Hawk pro skater wanted to. Holy. Rap The warehouse Demo came out preorder, on PC, and. Man It brought me back it. Feels so good. It doesn't feel. Exact I think but it feels right if that makes sense like I normally have my xbox controller plugged into my pc and I had to change and use my playstation controller 'cause like I am Just not cut his hair different and wear a tank top and A. The muscle memory was just a little off on my xbox controller for whatever reason, and I got the playstation, the dual shock running. It felt awesome. There stuff that's missing from the Demo that I'm hoping is in the full game I trust it will be like collecting the skate letters and things like. It got I put so many hours into Tony Hawk. Pro Skater to so many hours into that game. Yes, it is. It is beautiful again playing on PC I was rocking at one hundred, forty, four frames a second. aqui Silky Smooth It has a lot of the old songs and then some new songs as well and that just that Warehouse Demo brought me back to playing it on. Was it my playstation magazine Demo disc. or it's like. Memory is. This is enough right like it doesn't. It's not white. It's Mario. Galaxy to tomorrow galaxy like I've already had enough Tony Hawk, and I'm not like just changes how games out what do think about video games but with the disaster that was Tony, hawkes pro skater five in the disaster that was the remake of whatever it's called Twenty eight twenty hawkes pro skater hd on xbox sixty three. This thing feels so good and what you can do in this demo and been the full game is that you could play with updated move set. So it has revert and I don't know if. Twenty per skater one I don't think. So I think manual came to to you. But or if you want, you can play with jest, the moves that were in tune out per skater one or just the moves that ran Tony Hawkes pro skater two. If you want to have that like authentic experience end, there's really fun things like when you bail the music kind of just turned down a little bit in your character kind of glitches almost like you know it's a CG or a computer hologram kind of thing puts you back on your board and your near ripping again. It looks great. You're playing old man Tony and the demo which I love. And really seems like they they went through and and and did this did this the right way and I'm super super excited about it? How can they not have the collecting? S.. K.. A. T. e. though that's like. I think it's just the demo at hat I will eat my shoe not I'll eat delicious food. It has to be in the full game I just don't think it was in this the warehouse demos just two minutes go. Hi Score. Okay. Okay can. He before you move on I, want to think our second sponsor, which is whip. My goodness has your morning or evening routine changed recently or are you in the same doldrums every single day? 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I also got the take that apple keep buying using your products, but I will also by your competition so I can do the thing you won't let me do. I think it's the power a like clip that kind of got announced when xbox announced the official role out of X. Cloud to clip onto an xbox one controller slips real. Nice. Real Nice fits phone real well and some still running games on the demo of the. I. Think they added more games that unofficially cut his. Before the September Fifteenth Release Of X. Cloud. Generally. In. This is my first time really playing with it since the very limited. X, club preview. When I was using a work android device for it to do most of my hang around. I really like it. I I mean I know it's dumb as I spent most of my time. I spent most of my time playing gears five sitting mere feet away from where I could be playing it on my PC. I'm still impressed by the tech. It is a bummer as I talked about apple in epic already that this isn't coming to more devices and it certainly, I'm not gonNA lie damn curious to get your take I mean to me it is the best way to play a game like I notice stutters tried Ori- in Ori- certainly playable but definitely, not ideal the game I ended up having the most fun with was gears five, the campaign stuff The weight of that game and you don't need to be or I'm not that precise. It's just unloading everything into every enemy and the reloading and changing them. But it is. It is very cool. Just this idea of and I think as Danny mentioned when you're talking about halo being delayed that if you have an android device down to Pixel twos not a new phone. Is just whatever it is what fifteen bucks a month. To alternate ultimatum for one hundred games that are available on your phone. It's into me I think that is what is going to keep Microsoft working on optimizing their cloud gaming experience because your game is only as good as the way, people can play it, and if a lot of people end up coming into the xbox ecosystem through an ultimate subscription to play on their phone, an halo infinite doesn't run well. Then, the game doesn't run well, you know and so I think because they're making that available to so many people at such a low price in my opinion I think it shows the importance of it. So again I'm stupid and I spent too much money on it, but I had to get in and be able to play this more and more regularly and I'm still really blown away by it and what and what they're doing how they're offering it yet. So frustrated that this isn't available on my IPAD. That's so frustrating but go ahead. Sorry Danny. A right before New York City got shut down because of covert. I had to go to Orlando 'cause I was part of a of a podcast conference, right so I was waiting for my flight at the Airport Laguardia Airport and I was air for like maybe two hours or so. and. I was playing gears the whole time was playing escape. multiplayer online. I was doing that I did a couple of deaf deaf match unlike too, and I I was switching just trying out different games and for two hours while I was waiting for my flight, you know I wish I could continue playing their my flight. You know like when I do with my Nintendo switch but I had a great experience you know and and the thing that you could do to I, know you I don't know if you've ever had this opportunity, you could also switch from cloud and also stream it from your home console you could do that. So there was a time that was playing a of Fanny Star Line like that just from my. council through my mobile device. You know. So and there is an option where let's say you create a party you WanNa, play with friends. Down this with my brother, we we chat line I'm using my mobile device. He's an this console and we talk you know. So I think is a pretty cool that. Everybody. Has An option to do that and like you said is very cheap. So if you have ultimate, you get that. Streaming Service told for free just for being part of xbox game pass alternate. So I think this is pretty cool and I think is going to get better man with more constantly going to be adding and and I hope I hope IOS in the future and Jeff does opportunity to play. So Yeah well, I, it doesn't seem very very optimistic about that IOS integration I sounds like a, there's an impasse and I. Hope I hope they figure out a way to get past that because I think it would be wonderful to be able to play all those cool games on my IPAD. I'm I'm deep in their apple device ecosystem I don't have any. Any macbooks or any any computers and home computers that are apple. But I am all about devices and got the watch and the phone and the IPAD. And I would love for that to be possible with all I don't want to start over I know it's weird. I have I'm just into deep right all my apps or purchased in the irs store and it just it just Depressing to me I mean, I could go Christian route and just get that dedicated streaming device. I'm maybe I'll find like a cheap android tablet or something to do that with happened inside of you can silo to fire like technically it doesn't support it but you can fire. was. Garbage on a fire, it's just Internet that's the thing I know but it but but the really. The screen on the fire is pretty bad. It's bad. That is it's no no retina display. You know what I'm saying. Yeah my question for the audience and maybe Dan for you to that I I it seems to me that every time I go to play I, have to rethink my xbox controller like it doesn't remember it like I turn on the controller and it's like I'm not connected to anything and I'm like I was just using you. That's a little annoying I really. Problem I think. Okay. So so if you connected for the first time And like I went to I was playing over there Laguardia Airport in Atlanta in Orlando Start using again at the hotel is sink right away never disconnected. Now, if you stop the controller and then you sing it to the console, then you have to rethink it again because an answer to the to the council. It's a dedicated I. mean right now it's been. You know I use my elite for everything else in this is dedicated streaming roller and turn off the controller. When I'm done, and then when I turned it back on each time, like didn't automatically pick up the the pixel, but I'll keep trying with it or if the Internet has a a recently on the Pixel side of things. But that's what my only gripe like just pick up and play in this takes half a second and I'm like too long have tried to ps four controller that's a bluetooth control you could try that too. Because I bought a clip from xbox control. All sorry. A just trying to help you. So that that's that's all the stuff even on your playlist their Christian. I mean Yes for all intents and purposes, more ghosts, Shema, which I. Love, that game I thought it was close to the end. It was just it was just like a chapter distracted. This is a big moment. This is GonNa be awesome and it was like chapter two in like you kidding me. Okay. I should have known. There's fine. Here we go but I keep telling myself no more side missions refocus and then I'm going next thing and it's like And I'm like well, I'm not not going to help you I love that game. My playlist has been a lot of xbox game pass lately I've been. I've been loving the the little games that show up xbox game pass and had been giving him a shot and there's two that have caught my attention quite a bit lately one is called undermine. which just hit xbox passed recently and is I've become the guy who loves rogue lights. and. undermine is that it is excuse me a charming. Sort of Zelda ask rogue light where you're wandering around a little You're delving into dungeons, but it's got that kind of Zelda esque a perspective the old. Original legend of Zelda perspective, and you can slash things and do it ranged attacks and your dodging bad guys and trying to manage your health and get cool items and. Save up enough gold to get cooler items. One of the things in the game you mind goal you're a minor you're going into mines and your mining gold and when you knock. You have your little pickaxe when you smack a an or Node the gold pops off and there's like little creatures that come and try to steal it from you. That's Kinda Fun and he's in the early part. Cute. Is what I mean to say this did not get its hooks into me. The way that some other rogue lights have recently I. I've been on a real kick of loving rogue lights for whatever reason, the combat and this one I'm finding. More on the frustrating side, it's just I think this. I don't know I mean children of Malta is very similarly structured combat wise for whatever reason this game just I recognize it as being good and I think worthy of mention and recommendation on the show but it isn't one of those ones that I'm getting forming a compulsion around like I have with a lot of these types of games but. If you have xbox game pass I recommend giving it a shot undermine it is what is called I love the visual style I think it's got a fun sense of humor and the enemies are interesting and varied, and it's it's got a lot of personality got a lot of personnel undermine. The other game that I've been playing on xbox game past that actually I'd like even more is called tourist gives her of this game. It's not new. It's good. It's been around it's a good game. Yeah. It's it's spelled tourist but has a Y. instead of an eye. And it's got I love the look of this game. It's got tilt shifted extreme depth of field. Look that makes things look like little Diorama worlds I love that look, but it's also got a almost a mind in blocking to it. Everything is built out a little blocks but not minecraft not lego. It's got its own look, but it's this blockade tilt shifted world. So I'm already sort of digging just being in it, and the idea is that your this tourist who heads to a tropical island for a for a vacation and you find out that they're mysteries on this island mysteries of these shrines and and things hidden, and you can collect gold pieces and buy stuff. But. It is very much a puzzle game very much an exploration game, very little combat at all or violence of any kind. You're doing things like you know helping people have a better party on the beach you know finding fruit for smoothies delving into these ancient ruins and solving puzzles, jumping puzzles or little mind puzzles or how do I manipulate a thing to get out of a room I dig it I dig it is it is a slower paced game. Your little character doesn't move very quickly and I find it very meditative I find it very soothing to be in this lovely little world. It's bright and vibrant. It's all sunsets and and beautiful tropical islands. When you're outdoors, the visuals are actually quite quite good they layer on this very realistic sunset and stuff like that. On top of this block, he abstracted world. And I'm digging it I know it's been out on switch awhile and on. But it just hit xbox game pass so. If you haven't played tourist. I would recommend it I. Find it very, very soothing. Very Fun. Just sort of an easy breezy game you know it's not testing my. The puzzles are all kind of came and relatively simplistic. There's been a few times I've sat on what is it want me to do? But I did that and. I think the game does what it does very well, it's very charming. Tourist I, recommend it. Danny, you said you were familiar with that game. I pleaded when it first launched and then I stopped and then started playing. You know it is like multiple games that. Subject trying everything out and and I've been played so I got it. Yeah. Got To play this. It looks it looks good. It looks really really good. It's great. It's it's not GONNA set the world on fire, but it's a lovely Little Fun distraction game and and I find the game world to be delightful and it's it's kind of what my brain needs sometimes just go into. An escape from all of the chaos of the world and plaguing this little soothing I'm excited because this month there's going to be a lot a couple of new games as come up for game pass. So there's battle toads, flight simulator, which that one is coming up very soon There's another one called. Tell me why and Iceland three is also coming out. I'm so excited for wasteland. So that's all game pass man says, wow, and then was last month. There was another game that came out to A grounded. was another one that came out. Oh Yeah. It's good. I look it's a good time to be a subscriber does I know? I agree and we got a few weeks ago we got an email. Rich in New York, you sent an email to DLC feedback at gmail.com. 'cause I we have gone on at length on the show. How great game passes? What a great deal it is and a lot of people. have. Mentioned that Hey, you know playstation now also exists and rich from new. York. Sent this email. So for Awhile now jeff is said that there's no competition game pass. So this week, I would like to respectfully disagree and. Talk about playstation. Now, I feel like there's a large misconception that playstation now is very expensive and streaming only both have been untrue for some time you can download over three hundred games, two year console like you do with game pass and only cost sixty dollars a year and five dollars a month. You can currently download and play control shot of the Tomb Raider X to rainbow succeeds Wolfenstein new classes. Taken. Seven Metro Exodus dishonored to doom bloodborne metal guess all at five and many more. I'm not. It may not have day one exclusives like game. Pass, Games leave the service too fast Expire Man Horizons Your Don and God of war have come and gone. But as someone who has subscribed to both services, I've honestly spent roughly an equal amount of time between the two as both are inexpensive with many great AAA games. Thank you for that perspective rich definitely appreciated, and I totally agree that we give short shrift to playstation now and don't mention it in the same breath. I, do think the differentiator with game pass is that it does feel like the net flicks of games because of the new stuff that hits it day and date the day and date difference you know like on Netflix. There's a big brand new movie that is a netflix exclusive. The feels like a big deal movie and it's on Netflix. Feel like that's the game pass. Difference is when something like a wasteland three comes out of grounded or or years of war five or whatever it is that hits the service, the same day or halo infinite for that matter whenever that happens that is a major differentiator and I do think that puts it in a class by itself for me. But I also recognize that playstation now is a good deal and has a lot of games on it. So I don't want to constantly overlook although I don't think it's the same exact kind of service. But of you guys have anything I I. Think Right now we might feel like that I think later in the future I see places now changing and and start adding their first party titles day one I mean I can see the happening in the future look if it's if Microsoft is making, let's say in the future is making a lot of money I'm telling you right now Sony's going to do the same thing same exacting, and here's why. If you take it back when. Playstation plus came out they were the ones that force Microsoft to change and added Xbox live gold, and now every month this to free games it was place that you're gonNA be. So it is possible that if Microsoft making a lot of money because of game pass. They're going to do the same exact thing and I hope to God than temple has a similar service like this further further constitute that will be amazing. Imagine. Decades of content. From intendo that'll be amazing too. So yeah. At Rich. Respect? Christians you have anything else you wanted to add there. Have talked about it. Several Times over the years of the show I was a subscriber when it first launched for a while when it was just streaming all lay in dip back in when they added downloadable ps four games I believe control is available right now if you only have a playstation I, think it is worth looking into I think it's worth looking into I do not think it compares to gain pass the when they do get big blockbuster games God of war. Spiderman or whatever they're on the service for I would argue a very short amount of time comp- game cycle in and out of game pass as well. But the first party Microsoft Games don't cycle out and that in day and date are are the big differentiator between it and then because you're there for those you do I, think as you're doing now Jeff, you look at other things also it's like, oh, I watched the old guard on Netflix so now I have net flicks what else is there you know what else am I gonNA AT NC And I. think that's where playstation now doesn't quite have isn't on par with with xbox but I have friends that have it. They'll have playstation playstation now and there are great games to play. It's just you won't be part of the Zeitgeist for better or worse if you're doing most of your gaming through playstation now while you can be a big part of the at least the Xbox Zeitgeist if you do all gaming through game path that to me is the biggest differentiator. Is that also available for mobile or just only for the console. Playstation. There's kind of like how xbox Extreme it from your console but they call it I, put it that a remote play. Worker. In playstation yeah. I. Think they did that you know well before X. Cloudy that has a lot of really interesting things like that. They're not Quite the right word X. Clouds not perfect either but you know they're not shown off. In a great way I think Jeff we did a game like. The share screen or whatever like you were I was watching you play than I, took over control for a little while. Some really cool stuff. That's there. It's just not. The focus for them and because of that none of it. Is User friendly. The way I'd want to be I think playstation the always been good at promoting. Hardware. But when it comes to software, they really don't talk about it that much you know extra syrup all services yet. Games but BUT XBOX, they go all out promoting their services. You know so that I think I wish that places start promoting die because I think that's pretty cool technology man. You know I to me that's going to be the future you know. So they should definitely talk more about it so. Yeah Yeah. I'm certainly talking a lot about it and I. I love Game Pass I'm I'm so so happy with it. I find love logging on and seeing what new little indie titles have popped up what is going on like having the big stuff just there to play just be able to play it I. Mean I. Think I kick started wasteland three Kick started it back in the day I didn't even need to do that because that's Recruiting here anyway. All right. Well, that's going to do it for this episode of D. L. C. We do have parting gifts coming up. So stick around for those Danny Pena. Thank you so much for being here man it's been a delight talking towel lot fun. Thank you so much for right. I have been hearing by you guys for very long time and it's an honor to be here. Ridicule that's that's amazing. Tell folks where they can keep up with you and all the stuff you have going on on you guys could find me on any podcast APP just search for tag radio. You go also follow me on twitter of act of their Godfrey G. O. D., F., R., e., and Yes, you WANNA play. Games at me, Gamertag Godfrey hand, we could definitely play some some games man online. That's awesome. Very, cool Christian Spicer. What about you and you got going on this week. Melting apparently suffering rolling blackouts. If I have Internet in power, you can find me on twitter. At Spicer. This show pretty much just the show Sunday seven fifteen pm Pacific Time on my twitch which twitch dot TV slash Christian. Spicer. Jeff, would you? You can follow me on twitter at Jeff, Cannata, which is spelled with two wins and won t and guess what folks. I'm on. Cameo now that's right. I'm on. JOINED CAMEO WHAT IS CAMEO? It's a thing where you can get people to say stuff for you I joined because if you listen to my podcast, the slash film cast a I talk about movies and TV shows over at slash film cast dot com I do limericks every week I do a limerick movie review every week and a lot of people started asking me for birthday wishes or anniversary wishes stuff In the form of Limerick and so now I'm on Cameo officially offering that service to you. If you would like a limerick from me or really any message doesn't have to be a limerick if you'd like any message for your friends or family or yourself whatever it is I'm on the service on kamio kamio dot com slash jeff cannot. You can find me this is Neil I just started this week I've already done I don't know about ten cameos and it's been really fun and people are really digging it. So I'm encouraged. So check out if you have that desire also. I do a comedy sci show have concerns, which you can find it. We have concerns, dot com you'll learn something and laugh along the way and my long form dungeons and dragons show called the dungeon run that you can find as an audio podcast by searching for the dungeon run perfect podcasts or you can find on youtube by searching for the dungeon run their own pardon me by searching for the dungeon run there or. You can watch live as we record Wednesday night six. PM. Pacific, time at Caffeine Dot, TV slash the dungeon run. Right let's wrap show up now with our parting gifts. Danny, do you have a suggestion to help people get through their week? Yes. I have two one, this Wednesday watch high scored docu series coming out on Netflix. Documentary, series all about the history of Albany Games highly highly recommended I got an advance copy fantastic series and I can't wait to watch. That's pretty cool and another one a huge hip hop fan. So a listening to a lot of logic new album. No pressure is his final album because he's retiring from music. So and now he's going to be strictly streaming on twitch from non. So that's bloodhound. So yeah, goalless is. Very. Very cool. Great suggestions. I'm very excited for that high scores show that sounds awesome. Christian spicer parting gift. I do if you're in the United States, I, encourage you to see how long the male takes to get to you how long it takes to get people you're sending your mail to USPS and I encourage you. Do get involved in call your representative and your senator about what is happening with the USPS and I would encourage you if you're able to to vote by mail to make sure that you do you need to do to get that done early vote. However, you are going to vote but be safe, and let's protect our postal workers and support the US ps. Yes, I second, all of that get involved in cursing from matching them at very important vote very, very important vote for sure. Make sure you're registered. Make sure you have all your ducks in a row and just it's not. It's very simple this year they're making it difficult for you, but it's really is very simple to vote and I hope you don't Let. The fact that our postal services. Under attack to stop you all rights to call your senators in genitive. Again, if you support what they're doing support it, but it they're on recess right now, you'll probably be able to get a hold of someone staff at the office. The phone call will be short because they are busy and you state your name and your opinion, and it seems silly because. Even as an old I don't call people on the phone much in as an aversion to it but phone calls and letters go much further than the form email and they certainly go much further the tweet pick up the phone or better yet or also write them a letter, send it via USPS and have your voice heard. It's important. We have a listener suggested parting gift. This comes to us from Steve He writes to DC FEEDBACK AT G MAIL DOT COM says, hi DLC. In recent years found it very difficult to maintain any sense of optimism in light of world events, and this is especially true at this moment. I can highly recommend a book that I've found enormously helpful to avoid despair fact fullness by Professor Hans Rustling. The book goes through statistics in areas such as violence, racial equality, gender, equality sexuality in poverty comes to the astonishing conclusion. The world our children are being born into is more tolerant, peaceful, more egalitarian or carrying a world than the one we arrived in although we still have such a long way to go. Focusing on how far we've come may help give you strength for the fight professor rustling as a couple of Ted talks if you just want a small taste, thanks for keeping our spirits up each week. Steve Thank you Steve really appreciate that parting gift. I haven't read that but it is it is good to remind ourselves that we are making progress even if there is still a long way to go. Fact fullness by Professor Hans Rustling. My parting gift is food because I have recently found I'm a fan of a hot dog I. Go I go Turkey dogs this what the these days or chicken dogs I don't do the beef but I love me hot dog in a hot dog. And I tell you what's I've recently discovered and I know there's many of you out. There are GONNA be like Jeff you're late to the party on this okay. Yeah. I'm late to the party on this I have recently discovered grilling up some veggies and throwing them in my hot dog Now I didn't I didn't not know grilled veggies in a hot dog were good. I have those at the fancy hotdog places there's listen places in Angeles do the fancy sausages fancy hot dogs they have the roasted onions and bell peppers and stuff. And I I just always assumed that was like a fancy place thing was a getting a fancy hotdog that I'm spending like. Eight dollars on a hot dog that's where you get the fancy stuff never occurred to me. I could do it at home but it oh, my goodness it's so easy. Just chop up some onions chop up some bell pepper throw in a Pan with some olive oil. And you roast them for not long at all until they're nice and soft and then. Throw it in the bud with your Dog Holy Moly. That's delicious. Encourage anyone to give it a try been having lately and boy oh boy. Delicious and also feels like I'm having a little bit more. Vegetables than I would normally. Some veggies on your hot dogs south delicious. It really good. It's really good. All right. That's going to do it for this episode of D. L. C.. Thanks again to Danny in Christian Spicer for hanging out with me. Thanks to all the folks in our chat room for hanging out with all of us live in real time we appreciate you thanks to our musical contributors, Patrick L. Sean Madigan Zero, Star for making those cool bumpers and thank you to each and every one of you who listen to US each week were so grateful that you download the show and make time in your week to spend it with US talking video games. We'll be back next week until then. Think about what you put out into the world. Make it a better place.

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