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E195 - Blast procrastination for good

Zo Routh Leadership Podcast

41:23 min | 8 months ago

E195 - Blast procrastination for good

"Hi it's so he and welcome to twenty twenty one. This is our first podcast episode of the year. And it is chock full of updates of recommendations and my favorite bit how to bust procrastination for good. No joke this is a good one okay. let's do it. Welcome to the zoe ralph leadership podcast. Where wind share all things. People style in leadership learn from leaders. Who have done the hard yards and learn from experience kia from expert authors about the latest insights from culture to strategy and missy people dynamics get tips and insights from multiple award winning author and leadership expert zoey rows now on with the how. 'bout that we also have a new intro spiel. My sound editor. Chris recommended that we do something a little bit different. And since it's new year why not do something there so if you like let me know if you don't like it also let me know that would be fantastic so so much to share with you. I've had an amazing break. I hope you had a break to wherever you are in the world and when it comes to breaks. It's a good time to escape. I did so much. Reading was as well as so much inspiration that comes from that and a lot of the updates are about some of that inspiration first of all. You need to know wh what we're doing with the podcast. This year eluded to it a little bit in some of the previous episodes at the end of two thousand twenty and essentially we are changing the format up a little bit. We are going to each quarter on a theme and the theme is going to parallel what we're doing in amplifiers. Which is my high level leadership program for ceo's and managing directors. Our theme for this quarter is from leading culture. The subsection is developing leadership in others. So this is a pretty big topic and a want. That doesn't get a lot of attention when we talk about leadership and it's so important. Because what amplifiers do they build capacity not only themselves but in the people around them as well as across the organization as a whole because leaders don't operate in a solo enterprise. They need to do stuff with others. And so when we learned to that better all things improve okay and it's really about leverage so that's a theme for this quarter so along with theme the podcast format. It's going to take this And we're kind of experimenting with this a little bit last year. We're gonna have interviews with authors. That's going to continue. We're going to have interview with leaders. That's also going to continue. We're going to have specific solo with actions and insights and book reviews so this is really like your go shop for developing your leadership capacity which is easily accessible and bite size chunks for you well. That's my intention anyway. It's all about developing your people stuff skills. Okay on this particular episode. I'm going to give you an overview. What's coming up. So you can get all set for that. And then at the end. We're going to dive into specific tips and insights around productivity and procrastination I'm really excited for that. Because it's made such a huge difference to me over these last few weeks so looking forward to sharing that all right so Lining up for the podcast. A little heads up. See what we've got coming up. We've got some amazing authors interviews. Matt casey. he's i think he's irish the. I'm actually recording into this afternoon. So i'm recording this podcast episode. It is the nineteenth today of january. It'll be released next week. And then matt's interview is released. I think the week after that. So he's coming up pretty quick ginny whitelaw. Wow she's amazing. She is a former nasa scientist. And then master. I love her book. Resonate it's something. I recommended in the newsletter this week. Yeah she's amazing. We've got gabrielle. Dolan also a complete legend epoca. Genius that she is. She's got a new book out on storytelling. I think this one is called magnetic stories and she writes well. She always recommend her work in terms of helping people become more influential in their communication by using stories. So that'll be really super cool. And we've got rebecca freeze. Who wrote the good culture. Liz wiseman also coming up on the show. She's the author of bestseller multipliers. Which is on the reading list. Amplifiers this quarter as well. So that'll be going to the amplifiers members in february as part of our support in the work of learning how to develop leadership and others and the books extraordinary like it's well researched and well cataloged and how to become a multiplayer basically how to become an amplifier. How do you amplify leadership and ability in others so that you can get astounding results in your organization. So she'll be on the show she's got a new book coming out as well and then we've got a series of leaders from ireland and from japan and from camera also a local business leader and she's got a great story to tell about being a young business leader and what it means to leave a firm and start up your own firm. So that's some of the really cool stuff that's coming up on the show this quarter by the way. What is a quarter. We're kind of loosely tracking it from february to the end of april. So that's the first quarter of this year not quite a pure january to end of march because most of january on leave okay though so some other really cool news is i'm writing a book specifically i'm writing two more books two new books instead of just doing one book per year. I'm doing to. Maybe that's crazy. Maybe not now. The big news is one of those is a novel. Yes my very first piece of fiction. I've been served thinking about writing fiction for a while now and seriously thinking about it for the last six months. Ever since i did a writing course with steven kotler and fell in love again with the act of creating and using language to portray amazing experiences so over the break i started puttering around writing a novel and yes people are gonna ask. What's the jar was the what's it about is a near future urban fantasy to research. What jar was because This is a whole new universe. And the other thing i discovered in starting to write a novel is that i know i'm a writer. I've written four books already. Just just a different approach. It's like going for a bush walk and discovering your on mount everest like there's a bit more to so i've been immersing myself in podcast and books about writing as well as writing itself Yeah so that is the jar. I won't to give too many other secrets away. If you wanna follow along and some of the insights you can go to my good reads author page. And i'll put a link to that in the show notes for you in case you're interested in falling on my fiction journey. The other book. I'm writing about is one on power So i'm pretty excited about that topic too. I think it's a really salient and relevant one. As we look at politics around the world in particular we see how power is being exercised abused used in all sorts of different ways and when it comes to talking with leaders. It's one thing that they wrestle with. Maybe not even consciously is how to exercise power ethically and responsibility and how to speak truth to power like. There's so much in this topic so those are the two books. One will inform the other so the research. I'm doing with The nonfiction book on power. Themes of it will likely show up in the fiction book. So yeah exciting stuff. Hey i can't wait to share with you. When can you expect the book in your hands. Not before middle of the year that is for sure particularly the novel As it is a new project and i don't know what i don't know at this date so there you go Some other news. We've got a giveaway on the podcast coming up in march. We're thinking about In exchange of course for a review and rating not just a rating. Because that's super easy reviews really helpful on the podcast where you actually say what you enjoyed. And you're getting out of it. We want to exchange that for something. Really cool which we're looking at. Maybe a personally signed copy of my multiple award. Winning book people stuff Which is my latest nonfiction book or people stuff mug or maybe have a choice of the two. I'm not sure but anyway. That's we're contemplating. It's going to kick off in march so if you're a regular listener you can sharpen your pencil and get ready to leave us a rating and review. Anybody who's thinking about doing it now and you just wanna do it now. Just do it and email me. Add soya. inner compass dot com dot. Au and tell me that you've done it and we'll make sure that you're you are as part of the giveaway. So if you're an early bird and you like to get things done as soon as you hear it. Great do that. You're in something cool will come your way now. Also in march we are going to be running a free mini course not through the podcast but we will let you know about it on the podcast. If you're on my newsletter list you'll find out and he can just sign up for that zoe. Routh dot com. That's where you get my written articles on leadership each week. The free mini course will be on elite executive teams everything you need to know to develop maintain a brilliant executive team. This seems to be one of the inquiries. I get most often is like. How do i get my executive team to perform better to be more strategic to build a culture to work better together. So we're going to address that in a series of our webcasts over a period of three weeks kicking off in march and we'll get the registration up in going in february. So in a couple weeks will let you know that registrations are open. There'll be some advanced stuff resources materials before we actually do the live webcasts. So that's coming up in march two so onto actions and insights one of our listeners. Courtney she asked me about a previous episode that she'd been listening to recently on my book review of james clears atomic habits and she said so. Have you maintained your habits. Like i don't know. It's been two years since i recorded that. I don't even remember what i talked about in that episode and then she started to list all the things i mentioned. I'm like oh yeah you know what would be really good is to go back and review. What happens down the road two years later. What have i maintained. What have i haven't and it's good for accountability and honesty. Because i believe in integrity and you should too. So i went back and i listened to that episode. It's episode ninety five and the link will be in the show notes for you and then also found episode one hundred which is a review of habits and rituals which is on the same theme of Atomic habits and one of the key things in recording. Which which i wrote down because it's useful for me to remember because even though the specific wording has gone from me the theme is still the same and in atomic habits james clears talks about developing identity that you want to hone and your habits are proof of that they reinforce the identity that you want to develop so the exercise is i writing out the phrase. I'm the type of person. Who and the phrase i wrote is. I'm the type of corporate athlete who has dedicated rituals for eating exercising and sleeping. This is still an important factor for me so even though i forgot the specific phrase. It's definitely something. I have been putting a lot of attention to over. The last two years and the outcome i want is a high octane. Life which is really cool phrase. Wish i'd remembered that would've been helpful for me so those two things even though the specifics regon definitely still themes for me. Then i went into like okay. We'll what have. I maintained. One of the things i haven't done and this is the confession. Piece is get a kindle so in that episode of book review of atomic habits. One of the things i wanted to stop doing was the habit of all my ipad. Picking up first thing getting into email social media and news because a a sets up a really bad mood and be is a complete time suck and is not lining up with my priorities so in that episode. I figured well what i'll do. Is i'll get a kindle and this'll be what i would do in the mornings. I can read fiction or nonfiction on the kindle and there's nothing else on it it's a single use device and at the time of the recording said i'd go ahead and get that and then report back well between that episode being recorded being published. The upshot is i did not get a kindle. I kept going with ipad and two years later i was still bloody falling into the habit of email social media and news at inappropriate times i e in the morning or trying to go to sleep at night and it was this. Niggling habit are just wanted to crack. And it's been really irritating me for the last six months or so then like haven't nailed this one. So i went back to first principles and redesigned my environment so just recently and this is the first productivity tip. I guess focused tip. I guess is as a bonus for this side. Shoot which comes back to the main point steven kotler is releasing a new book The art impossible and with it was a whole bunch of new bonuses. Which include a distraction busters. I'm not even sure. That's the right title of the little mini program. But in it is like how to set up your phone and your and your devices so they don't suck you into the vortex happening great. Finally i'm gonna do this. And the ipad deleted social media accounts. Who so many of you are already smart and have done that. So i got rid of facebook linked in twitter. All that and i rearranged the icons so that the easily distracting ones i e mail or at the very end on like the fifth screen. So you have to. There's a barrier to entry. You have to go flick flick. Flick flick. click. Click and amazing is. That seems it's enough of a barrier. Not attempt me. So i don't i turned off all the notifications. That's the other key thing so you don't get the six emails waiting for you or six hundred whatever it is. Don't get any of that. So when i pick up the ipad. It is more likely that i will go to my key priorities which is book reading which is both for business and for fun. That's been amazing. And the other stuff i did. Let me just jumping ahead here on my notes. But i think it's it's helpful okay For my phone yet turned off all the social media off my phone and the tablet. The screen saver on my phone. This is an interesting one is completely black so instead of having a nice picture of whatever you wanna make your phone as little enticing as as possible and so if you have nice stitches to look at on you cover. It's you're more likely to pick it up. It's just one of the things that's making more inviting. Let's make it less inviting all notifications are gone. My phone i've put do not disturb on permanently. I think there's there's also an auto responder in there which if people try and text you or call you they get a message. Back saying hey. I'm working on stuff. And i'll get back to you. Ended the day something to that effect in my email. This is your productivity tip. Here i got a of got. A new app called inbox when ready and this is really cool. It's free to install. I'm not sure it works with any other application part from g mail but it's worth checking out and essentially install it and what it allows you to do is hide your inbox. So this little tab. There could hide in like when you log in. There's no like hundred emails sitting there. You have to click on show me. show me emails. And they're they all are so if you do have to work on something that uses email and you don't be distracted by stuff coming in and out of your inbox like that happens to me a lot. I often had to generate a lot of emails. And then somebody something will come in from. Jack and i have to respond to jack and then them in the rabbit hole again so hide your inbox means. You can work on emails if you need to without getting distracted by other people's emails coming to you. Ha this is so good and it also tells you how many times you looked at your inbox. And how many men spent there so a little bit of ood reality checking around that. So i've had that going for a month now it is awesome love it. That has reduced the temptation to do email at non useful non-productive times. The other thing for the desktop is get all of your like desktop folders cleaned up. So i had this big screen. Screenshots automatically default to my desktop and it was just piling up with all these screenshots and other stuff so i went in and change the settings and now there's only one file that comes up on the desktop when it opened it so again sort of a clean service. Nothing distracting there And it's my google drive file and that's not that exciting anyway. I could probably take that off the desktop. And then on the mac computer. I'm not sure what it is for windows. There's like a navc bar with all your relevant apps instead of having fifty different apps there. I squeezed it down to about four. The ones that i to prioritize. When i get into my computer which are my my scrivener tap. Which is my book writing. Because i am reading two books this year. My book writing. So i get some book writing done immediately. The first thing. I open so i have that. I have my Google chrome tab. For which is where i have my g mail account setup and largely. That's it maybe my powerpoint and pages apps. But that's it so i don't have a whole bunch of apps sitting in the dock i have to go into. I want to specifically use their apps. Those apps through the finder button to pull them up. So that's really cool. What else for productivity. Oh yeah no what. Your top three priorities are the sound too obvious. It's it's not like a train smashing the amazing tip. But i know what my three priorities are and i've rigorous rigorously thought about that. I've got the book writing. So two books i'm producing. I've got growing amplifiers. It's my community of leaders and all work sort of spins out of that and that's really important to me and everything that we're doing in terms of content delivery is going to be centered around that so there's not an endless tangent of ideas always being pummeled out pummeled out. That's not the right expression. So that i'm not distracted by five different topics. It's one topic and everything gets rolled out from there. I might third priority is my energy so because i am building a high octane life. Okay so those are my productivity tips. That came out of reviewing that podcast. But i thought it would be really cool to actually look the heck for accountability purposes to what specifically were the rituals. I committed to two years ago. And how did i go. Which is essentially saying. Does the system work you. Know what whatever james clear advocated his book implemented. And what i've i kept doing on that. I can recommend to others. Well since i read this book. I bought his journal forechecking habits and that is awesome. So i think that has kept me focused and intentional around creating these rituals and routines. So i would definitely recommend that to everybody. You have journal where you can track your habits while you get james clears book on that or you just use your own journal and set up the way that you like. Essentially that's what. I've ended up doing with his journal anyway. He had had about a dozen sheets at her pre structure. I guess and it's basically just a grid journal after that. So i'm just using a grid journal within that to set up and track my habits so looking back two years ago. What are the morning rituals. I'm going to go through this and give my score. Did it didn't did it or didn't do it. And change it. And then summarize what i'm doing now. Okay morning ritual basically from five to eight thirty. This is still the same. I get up around five and start work around eight thirty so two years ago. It was wakeup glass of water with lemon juice in a pinch of salt. Nope i'm not doing that instead. I'm doing a glass of the which is my adapted herbs and that's essentially does the same thing in terms of digestion and hydration and but also for nervous system. So that's what i'm doing said a glass water cup of green tea. Yup so i get up. Have my tnt make teat meditate twenty minutes while checking heart rate and heart rate variability yes. I'm still doing that. In fact i've bumped it up in the last week to thirty minutes Which is great. Next is journal journaling and i had this specific journaling questions i wrote. How do i show. How did i show kindness yesterday. What was the one moment. I want to remember from today. Decision journal questions are challenges. Do i have what decision. Making what led me to that decision. Nope i'm not doing. Those particular journaling questions. I am journaling other things. Which when i tell you what i'm doing now tell you about. A runner. workout is next listed item. Yes i definitely still do that. I run three times a week. I go to the gym four times a week. I think that's about right. So i do seven or eight workouts a week. Next item is cold shower and dress. Nope not doing a cold shower fully shower and with a cold rinse and that was a compromise on that one having culture day. Yeah i'm not that hard asked and the last piece is for the morning routine. Start day with top. Three priorities mostly. That's true yeah. I do have a discipline about that. So i'm pretty good with pry my priorities. Getting focused on the day. Before on what. I'm doing that day. So the next part of the routines were nutrition. Yeah here we go. Accountability sixteen to eight fasting protocol. That means fasting for sixteen hours and eating in an eight hour window. I did that for a while. And then i stopped when i was training for a half marathon because i found i just wasn't feeling good or energized with it when i was amping up the kilometer so i ended up stopping it i've reintroduced more of a fourteen hour minimum fasting protocols so these days are trying go fourteen hours then sometimes bump it up to sixteen or eighteen hours. So that's what. I'm doing with the fasting. Piece carb cycling. Nope i am not doing that by the way. I'll put a link in the show notes if you want to go through and read what i actually committed to two years ago and then also have in the show notes. What i'm doing now. So i'm not doing the carb cycling though it's good I wished i would do it. And it's hard. It's hard not to eat carbs and you know toast and rice and oats and fruit and basically just eating vegetables essentially Yeah so i'm not committing to that one twenty four hour fast weekly. Nope i'm not doing that. I'm doing it very occasionally i have to say. I dropped off the fasting thing. Pretty quick offended pretty tough though. It's amazing and it feels good managed to do it. So maybe i'll try and reintroduce a twenty four hour fast periodically next one weekly infrared sauna. Nope i think ahead one sauna and that was it With co vid lockdown could go into a sauna place. I don't have asana here. It was an extra chip so there's barriers to getting that habit ingrained. That's for sure. And the last one for that was pesky -tarian slow carb diet yes. I have managed to establish that so that is clearly embedded so my sleep routine. My evening routine starts between eight. Thirty and nine yup. That's generally when i go to bed. Here's the one ipad charging a separate room. Nope the ipad is always next to my bedside cold shower and moisturizer. Nope my nutritionist said. Don't have a cold shower before bed. It activates your sympathetic nervous system. I'm like oh okay. So i don't do that what i do instead is i. Wash my face and brush my teeth. And that's it essential oils on the bottom of the feet. Nope forgot about that. That would be good one to do meditation. Ten minutes only sporadically have not embedded that as a habit check sleep quality and quantity with the ordering. Yes i love my oral ring. So one thing. I did commit to and implement after that James clear habit thing is the ordering and it gives you so much intel about how your sleeping and so that's also kept my awareness about my sleep patterns and my hygiene that i'm doing okay. So that's the review of of my sleeping habits. I give myself. I don't know a seventy five eighty In terms of actually following through with stuff so Yeah there you go now. Where's my list of habits now Right i thought. I had it ready for you so going to have to tell you how it's different okay. So my warning routines and rituals for now are very similar to it. They were wake up at five. Goes to eight thirty. I talked about the the cup of green tea meditation for thirty minutes. The journaling the journaling. That i'm doing now and this ties into the tips on procrastination. So the journaling. I do in the morning is i wake up and i think about What i want and this is coming from a new program doing with strategic coach there. It's run by dan sullivan. He's a canadian. He has coaching. He's been running coaching entrepreneurs for not since nineteen ninety-one so well established. I've just joined his one of his groups and one of the one of his principles is that you've got to become a really good wander as an entrepreneur and with the means. Is he journal every day for twenty five years about what he wanted. That's extraordinary commitment. Don't you think he said except for nine days and didn't tell anybody about it for twenty five years. He pulled out his journal every day wrote in thinks he wanted and he's trade an extraordinary business extraordinary life so he correlates and caused eights at the right word definitely attributes a lot of success to this habits. I'm like okay. I love it so i started writing down in the morning. Want and such as what i want. Now it's projecting forward to the age for twenty five years in the future and this comes to the first. procrastination tip. Framework is one of the things. Danny alvin said with this twenty. Five years thing you just think back on the previous twenty five years. You've just lived through twenty five years ago. I was twenty five. And where was i. I was working at summer camp. And i'd been working there for. I don't know seven or eight summers ahead of me. I decided to go to out rebounded at the age of twenty six the following year. And he says what are you doing in your reflection on you. Twenty five years is think about all the amazing things that you've experienced and -ccomplish in those in that timeframe so i thought about it from twenty five to fifty what's happened. What have i done. And i started listing. It all off. Oh my goodness. There's a huge amount of really cool stuff. That's happened went to australia. I worked at ban for nine years. I set up the instructor training program. There it won multiple awards. I went through lots of personal development. Had lots of amazing adventures started my own business. My own coaching business. I had cancer. I got married I wrote four books. I worked at the rural leadership foundation for five years and had many different adventures in learning and just went on and on and on. It's like whoa did i. Could i have forecast any of that at the age of twenty five. No because i didn't have a practice of knowing what i wanted. I kind of just lurched from the nearest. Want to the next. And it's extraordinary when you think about it. We accomplished so much more than we expect from ourselves. And if we forecast twenty five years into the future so twenty five years from now i'll be seventy five twenty forty six work. Could i have accomplished in the next twenty five years. If is deliberate and intentional about it and that kind of blew my mind. I'm like well. There's no way. I could have imagined all the amazing stuff that's happened to me at the age. Twenty five. Who knows what's gonna unfold in the next twenty five so this journaling practice of journaling about what you want is one of the key ways to start to bring some of the mazing nece to fruition and when you put it out there on paper it becomes more real to you and you find yourself looking is activating your rem system. Set the even the right. I think it is reactivating. React to killer. Somebody's gonna tell me it puts it in your awareness so you become more attuned to it so it was. I find myself taking actions about these little things. Big things writing a novel about that. Because i realized i wanted to write creatively and if i hadn't put it down in dressed it would just become a want. So this is the twenty five year framework. Peace that leads into the journaling practice for the morning. Shoop back to that runner workout. Yes cold shower note. Sorry runner workout dress. Three priorities off. We go so. That's my morning ritual my evening. Ritual is basically shut down things at between thirty nine. Wash the face through the teeth. Pull up my journal again. So this is a new thing and in my journal at night. This is what i journalist. I list gratitude five things. I am grateful. Four and five people. I'm grateful for and what it's meant to me so really helped channel that sense of appreciation for what's going on and then i do the procrastination exercise and this is your big key takeaway from today. So listen up. This is really super important. This is the exercise from strategic coaches. Well is that when it comes to procrastination list three things. You are procrastinating about so you listen three things and then you ask yourself why. Now i think when you're assessing whether or not it's worth procrastinating about or were ditching or worth acting on. I've found that if i'm procrastinating about something. There's a couple reasons one. Maybe it's not a line to my key priorities so it's not something. I'm really passionate or care about that. Could be one of the reasons procrastinating about it too. it could be that it's should or an obligation and so there's been a resent and to round it three and this is the important one. Is that if it is something important and you haven't taken action on it and you beat yourself up about it like i was for my book writing my novel writing. It's because there's probably a capacity or a skill that you need to learn in order to implement it and so we get stuck there. Because we think i don't know how to do it. I don't even know where to stop. Start and so we don't start. This is the critical juncture because in order to learn new capabilities. You need to take a courageous action. So what's required is the first courageous action. And you want to strip that down to the lowest easiest most implementable step so my exercise in my journal around. Procrastination is is that. Is i list three things. I'm procrastinating about. But i make sure before i write them on that list. I assess them. Is this something that i really care about. Or is it an obligation. If it's one of those things. I don't put down. Is that something that lines up with my core goals and it's important to me. Yes it goes on there. And since i started doing that those became your priorities for the next day by the way to take some action on those procrastination pieces since i started doing that. A couple of amazing things have happened. I started writing. Novel declared to the world. That's kind of the big one and little things too like a pair of pants. I've had sitting on my chair in my bedroom. That needed repairing have sat there for nine months really symbolizing to admit that so. I'm like that every time. I look down like there's something i needed to do so i felt like i should and it was something that cared about because i wanted to keep using those pens some like damn it alright. I'm going to deal with this. So i pulled out the pants. Got out my sewing kit. It took me five minutes to fix those pants five minutes. I'm like oh my god nine months of angst for five minutes of attention. So that spurred me to address some more of these little niggling things and they went on my daily. What am i procrastinated about and dealing with them. Because i didn't want to waste any more energy on having these things. I know i needed and wanted to do but wasn't doing it. And then sort of beating myself up about it. Screw that i got them done This has been an amazing breakthrough for me in terms of getting cracking through procrastination on the little things and the big thing. So i've got. Here's a big one that i started tackle procrastinating on trying figure out all of my sound. It and at the beginning of lockdown. I'd invested in all this equipment and some of it worked in some of it did it. And that was really frustrating for me. I'm like. I even got expert help to help me set it all up. And he couldn't figure it out either. So i bought some more gear hoping that that would solve the problem but hadn't tested it yet. Like why am. I not testing this and it worked out. I don't have the skill. i don't have the capacity for it yet. So i need to take courageous action. So the courageous action was pulling it all out and trying to figure it out. This is not a happy story by the way this part. Because i read but it's useful to know because it doesn't always actually doesn't always isn't always a smooth experience pull it all out. Couldn't get it to work. What some videos. Not sure which pieces i needed to do. Wasn't all working properly wasn't sure how to test it some great. Maybe i don't have the capacity. Can't teach myself maybe. I need to get expert help so then spent a good our googling who can help me with this stuff like i don't even know. Who does this like. Who helps independent experts trying to figure out their home. It audio stuff. But i found a place. Experts in ouaga emailed them and they get auto responder back saying we're on holiday gender. And like i still can't it as a win because i went through all that pain and it was nothing but pain and frustration because it should be it should be able to pick up your it stuff plug it in. Have it work. Should be easy to find someone to help you with it. Apparently not so anyway. I i sent out my email. They'll be back at work soon. Chase that up and we'll egg egg my way into my way through that. So that's an irritating one. So that's what you do so back to my evening routine in my journal doing gratitude. I'm looking at my procrastination pieces and identifying the key priorities and moving forward if you do this one activity that out of all the things. That suggested journaling. Your procrastination will be your biggest breakthrough that is for sure. Now this one the key framework. I wanted to make sure i cover from the twenty five year. Framework is a strategic coach. They also operate in ninety day segments. Like i do my work like we do at thought leaders business school and this is really cool observation that he made he said over twenty five year period. Any ninety day component in there is just one percent of those twenty five years now that is significant right so the next ninety days is only one percent of next twenty five years. Why is that an exciting concept because it reminds you that you're ninety days is not the be all and end all you can set some significant goals. You can have some key objectives you want to hit and if you don't get them all the ninety days is just one percent towards the end of the next twenty five years so give yourself a break. It's no big deal. So it takes the pressure off and i think this is a lovely frame because as leaders and as high octane corporate athletes we need to have the incentive and the inspiration to get up and take action without burning ourselves out and i think this framework really helps with that. It's like yeah. Let's play all out for ninety days and remember it's just one percent of the bigger picture that we're overall working towards so yeah. I thought it was really cool. Concept worth sharing all right. I think that's sort of over almost at the end here. So lots of news of tips. Lots of inspiration. I'm really super excited about sharing this year with you. 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Eps. #5  Harrison Ford Injured While Filming Indiana Jones 5

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Eps. #5 Harrison Ford Injured While Filming Indiana Jones 5

"And we are live heavens. It happens that quickly. Welcome to the phantasmagoria. M- i am scott are thirty seven and as always i am joined by the man who makes this happen. Steve hello steve. hey scott. How are you doing ups and downs strikes and gutters. I liked it. We yes strikes and gutters. I like that. We switched up the beneath. Well we might. We might continue to do that every once in a while. Keep things fresh and hopping as it were some. Sometimes i like to steer. Yeah i get it. I like it too. So there's a couple of things off the topic. I wanted to get to before we jump into the to the news of the day. A one obviously like yesterday a i'm probably going to keep harping on this. Please please please comment like share. Subscribe do all those things like. I said Subscriptions are great. We love those but but even more important to us as engagement Liking obviously Commenting as much as you can or as idea how lonely we are. 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Only podcast You can subscribe To wherever you get your major podcast We'll be there like right now. We're on apple. So this is a apple podcast We got we got published last night. Finally which which is really cool Some of the other big ones will be google and spotify those will come very soon most the other platforms. We should be on either today or tomorrow. So look for us their. Excuse me ever you get your podcasts audio only if you would like phantasmagoria m- on the go. We have an audio option. We do so. That's a bit of the The house clean keeping that. I had scott. Do you want to jump into the news or actually there's anniversary today there is an today. I am super jazzed. Today is the anniversary. The thirty second anniversary of my second favorite superhero movie The anniversary of batman nineteen nine with Michael keaton jack. Nicholson can basing. Her robert wool billy dee williams and i don't know the guy who played bob it has prince soundtrack is it was absolutely. It was the first superhero movie that i saw in theaters. Because i saw i saw superman. Nineteen seventy eight in My parents basement in one hundred eighty one when it was on. Abc night at the movies and it was incredible but it did not meet my joy that was received batman nineteen eighty nine. It was absolutely fantastic. It was as everything i wanted to see. From a batman comic at the age of eleven home it was like cinemas graphically designed everything about it and it troubles me because sometimes i think i like batman returns more than i like that man but then i go and watch batman again and i stand corrected. I enjoy this film. I actually loved it a lot especially for its time the theater. I believe i did. But don't hold me because i don't remember. I know i wish young. But i don't remember. I am almost positive. But i really don't remember. I know seen it multiple times you know on home video however you see those things most likely for me. It was vhs and then dvd later on But yeah i liked it. I love jack's over the top job. I thought was was amazing. the whole the whole style of the Just sets in that that kind of stylistic. Gotham i thought was just for me. It was it was really amazing. Somebody who wasn't a a huge dc comic reader right. I i read a couple of of batman. But you know not whole runs in and i just. It was just so such Archer kind of from what. I was expecting batman movie. Be but in all the good ways not not in a bad way at all. So i really enjoy that phil and leave your favorite upstart. Who's your favorite batman by favorite batman. Right now again it's hard. It's hard because i like bail. I thought bail was asked. Until until i saw ben. I really liked his his version in the first movie. Not so much in the second But i think i still. I'm still a christian. Bale fan for right now. I'm waiting to see robert pattinson virgin. I'm a huge patent ban. I think he's amazing actor And i think i think matt reeves going to have a very interesting take about me And it looks very interesting contravene looking. I am batman as well. Yeah so happy. Thirty second birthday anniversary anniversary anniversary to the batman eighty nine. It's it's what. I can't believe it's been thirty two years also. I didn't want to give a big shoutout to the prince soundtrack anytime we can. Give danny alvin score like everything that movie is. I don't know like is is the music. More epic are up to you. Yeah just just like all art. Subjective films objective in all buzek. Pretty much subjective. So yeah happy. Happy thirty second anniversary and i like i said i can't believe it's been thirty. Two long years makes me feel old. Scotty oh but the film still holds up. Doesn't make me feel old at all. I look at it. And i'm like this is exactly where i should be. This is this is batman. So i really i i like it because it recaptures minus all. Yeah so harrison. Ford got hurt. Yeah did so yeah. Let's jump right into that news once again and this seems to be kind of a trend for mr ford. He likes the no no no not just old like he you know i think he i think in the first it was either. I think it's an empire strikes back but it could be wars. He broke his leg. Because some part of the millennium falcon fell on it He knows that there was force awakens. Yes i wasn't i. Yeah i thought it was going way back but He tends to crashed the plane during a shooting of film Now it looks like he hurt his shoulder. We don't know how bad or how how long it might you know when someone in advanced years takes a little longer to heal. Obviously even though. I think he's an incredible shape me. Look at you know for for his age. He looks like he's in incredible shape but so it might take a little longer to heal. Looks like the The they're not going to shut down they're gonna continue filming on how the film everything they need to sands mr ford at hope that he recovers quickly but man now know that was pretty much the headline news this morning. Movie off awoke. i did see that. Harrison ford hurt his shoulder while rehearsing an action scene. And i understand and like how old is he like. We've already covered this. In terms of how old harrison ford is but quite frankly are. I'm going to wait until the movie is released. And then i'm gonna judge based on the movie because quite frankly a lot of people get hurt on a lot of movies not yeah like. It was a big hubbub. When tom cruise got he didn't he bought himself up doing all of his own stunts. And he's he's not a young man. He's fifty something and harrison ford playing indiana jones. It's been one of the main criticisms of venue. Indiana jones is like he's old and it's like as long as indiana jones does not look old. I really don't care how old harrison ford and look i. I think clint eastwood is like twenty years older than harrison ford and he's still megan movies and behind in front of the camera. So i don't. I don't i'm not an age. I don't really care about how old somebody is I i criticize I think more about wear this. Indiana jones takes place. And how that how. How kind of fits in the indiana jones. Chronology the timeline. Other than that. I don't i don't care And and look like you said people get accurate in actresses get hurt all the time and it may not even be doing some crazy stunt were were. There should have been a stunt double. It could be like like what happened here or you just rehearsing a routine kind of thing and and something happens up the pops in your shoulder. You sprain an ankle. Something things happen. Especially when you're you know harrison ford old. Yeah and of course is in everybody's gonna jump on that unfortunately so that's the big news of the day. I i don't know if it's much much ado about anything. Roll see how long it takes for him to. Are you excited for the new indiana jones movie. I'm not i am. I am excited. Let me preface up to say. I do think james mangold is an amazing director An amazing filmmaker. And i do. I am looking for to see what he can do with it. I didn't care for the last two. Indiana jones movies loves errors. their kingdom. you didn't like holy grail. Who how dude. We have conversation. I didn't care for them in raiders. Really my favorite series. I've i've watched them all. It's fine temple. Doom is my favorite. So we have diverting it like we have. We have strange opinions no matter what we do So yes so. I'm in the grand scheme of things. I'm look i'm going to. It's an indiana jones movie. I'm going to see it's like star wars to see. Yeah i saw the last star. Wars movie almost ran into the theater. Oh i never saw at the theater version. That's right you didn't missing horrible movie. No no what okay. Anyway that's a whole other a whole 'nother topic for a home. I'm looking forward to movies. That i want to see a 'cause apparently there's like a four k ultra collection. Oh yeah let's jump to that. So on our very first episode we told you about a four k a volume to columbia classic volume. Two ultra fourcade big box version. Where they basically. I think it's six movies and we broke it down. You're like man. These these are great. Lose to get in one collection. And i promise everybody we are not paid by sony or columbia already money. The show would be a lot better if we were. But we did find this Like official trailer for that for that box at at because i liked the set so much. I'm like well. Let's bring it to the show and you know. Hopefully you guys will like it as much as i do. But i thought it'd be cool to see a visual representation instead of just us talking about and if you're on audio trust us it's it looks great talking people aren't just or just bad but people are many things know. Friendship has been the most important of my life. Talk about this too but moreover it would be exclusive. I want more these cleanup this city here because this city here is like an open sewer anytime i wanted us. A man would not take any more of a man who stood up the scum true for solid teams. Men can put it back together again. Versus frederick manion charge murder on the right lawyer for the holidays and so on hostile. Don't have to love him. Just has been stranded every project scored leak training your own way. Underdog there's something wrong with us. Something very very roll with us. I've come to on my begin. Oh do you love him. I greatly esteem unlike esteem. Him like him can the so really be satisfied with such polite affection to burn to be on fire. Gino of my heart state. God twenty two hundred within two hours thousand twenty two thousand. A best friend is suing you for six hundred million dollars. I didn't know that. Tell me idea is actually worth millions of dollars. Million dollars isn't cool. Cool a billion dollars you guys were. The inventors of facebook invented facebook. Our time party do any. i can't. that's incredible right. So i do. I really enjoy those flashback. Montages and you know what that was one of my biggest complaints when it came to the oscars this year is that there were no flashback montages of the awesomeness of being also in movies. And quite frankly if you are going to have some of the best movies of all time. John winger needs to be front and center. I dunno so. When i saw that i was like. Oh my god they made. They actually made a trailer for this thing. Cool and so i didn't. I didn't watch the whole thing. I just watched the very beginning. And i'm like okay. We're putting us on the show. So thank you. Everybody for your indulgence. We know we're totally just talking about stuff that we like to talk about. Yeah i mean i know. We covered this a week ago or so at last thursday but it was a special. It's better to kind of see it than just About in my opinion 'cause you know some of those clips like oliver haven't seen in so long that you you forget about some of these iconic moments in that fill. Yes you know. It's one of those childhood movies. Oliver and i mentioned it before. I saw it a lot when i was a kid Still you know what. It's one of those nostalgic movies. That i think i will weep when i see again. Just because it was lovely and heartbreaking and it it made me swell. When i saw it as a child that when if i watch oliver again. I don't know what's going to happen. I may my heart may grow three sizes that day. Yeah you know movies They have this same kind of effect that music does it has has a way of transporting you back to to a certain time in your in your life then and then yeah know sometimes. That's good sometimes. That's not so good but it's it's a it's a special thing that kind of only movies and music really do. I'll ride stop being such a soft move on so we start crying and hugging before we start hugging and kissing each other al over here. There was a little bit. This actually happened yesterday. the news came out about the title for the new Movie but they did release a not not a lot of people kind of picked up on this. They did release the new logo. And i thought we show that fans flee this rise in the era. I'm not huge fan of using rise in titles. It's kind of kind of played out my but it kind of makes sense for this and you know it looks cool and i hope that this transformers movie is better than the last of transformers movie with the excitement. I haven't seen bumblebee. But i heard bumblebee was very good with the exception. Bumblebee which i real- i like tremendously. He seinfeld i really liked her at her performance. In seventeen is amazing seeing that movie as soon as you can. Also true grits the trigger. Yeah but edging seventeen she nails. Bumblebees great. I really liked the girl in her car story. Well done But so. That's i hope that i hope the movies better than the i can't even remember what but the last movie was called Some night last night or some nonsense but hopefully it's better yes. Let's hope that's all there. Yeah let's hope next item up for bid is only way before we go up to the next item up for bid do you. What do you know about beast wars. I don't sir transformers i was. I was pretty much out of toys by the time. These kind of things were popular. I don't know. I like the stuff i know a little bit but i don't i don't know anything about these wars now from what i understand when it comes to beast wars for people who are not in the now and i would like to thank Todd michael educating me longtime friend of the channel and bhai longtime it's been a week but apparently There's like a temporal rift. Vits throws the transformers back in time. Cyber tra- needs energy is always and They decide to scan the things that are around them and then be the beasts and so they decide to be able to transform from robots into you know animals and their robot beasts so the beast wars i again. I just learned about this last night. And so if i'm bastardising the situation i apologize But i interesting if there's yet no again if i'm wrong correct me please. But yeah i think it sounds interesting. I would like to see some robots. I'm assuming i'm assuming that they're not They're not like hybrid. A it's did not machine and and like bio. No no no. They're not cyborgs. Or nothing dates the same thing as it was before because when the transformers i landed on earth and they scan everything around and they found what they could transform into and those were earlier on when it was sort of a more a savage land if you will then transformers. They scanned the animals and they were like well. I could be a panther. And that's what they did. Okay got it now. That makes me that makes sense. I mean an as much as transfers make sense to any Anybody accents scan. What's wherever you're disbelief is suspended. So they're not bio mechanical time. Michael says we'll get we'll get out. There were ertra. Transformers okay cool. Yeah and we'll we'll we'll touch on the will get to the chat show them. Maybe we'll have a longer conversation. Might sarah phrasing will be awesome Okay so the next item was This is just. I just wanted to touch on this really quick. There's not a lot of information here but amazon's bid for Mgm to get ftc antitrust review so in the process of being able Know com dollar company to buy multibillion dollar company. There's a there's a long process you have to go through. The ftc has to look at it. the government has to get in there and make sure there's no trust violations. You gotta make sure the i mean there's just a there's a number of things boxes they have to check to make sure things go through. Lawyers are gonna lawyer. The lawyers are gonna lawyer for a long time but it is the kind of the first step or second step that you have to take to get these things done So this comes to us from variety. Amazon's eight point five billion dollar deal to acquire. Mgm will be subject to antitrust review by the federal trade commission wall street journal reported citing anonymous sources Amazon announced a definitive agreement to acquire mgm. And it's well stocked library of four thousand movies and seventeen thousand. Tv shows a lot including the story. James bond franchise film fringe so I i don't think there's much to to discuss about this other than it. Looks like amazon on their way to picking up that library from mgm buying mgm. Which is which is going to be huge for amazon. We'll do okay in terms of the antitrust argument. Do you find it to be an antitrust argument. Do you think that that creates a monopoly now. Now there's there's a if if netflix was the only streaming service in town amazon was getting into the game and they were the only two there might be There might be some some pause or or some concern there but there others disney plus as much more egregious in terms of their antitrust in terms of absorbing over their studios. Here's a very interesting fact that everybody likes to shit on disney and sometimes but most of the time they're just they're going after disney for for all the reasons nobody every never talks about mc nbc universal nbc universal dwarfs disney in their accumulative buying power. And what they own all right. Well then i'm selling my disney salk and i'm buying. Mcu universal yeah so so. Nbc universal universal nbc universal so their massive multimedia companies that are waving disney and like apple amazon combined sell disney all day long. Well you know what i do. Get bored with the behind the scenes stuff. But when it does come to amazon dealing with the The acquisitions and and everything. I just wanna see. No time to die. I think yeah. So here's i think lennon's no time to die going especially comic books movie fans like us it. The disney thing hits a lot harder because they're actually picking up star wars marvel right so the those acquisitions are particular interest to us. So i think we pay a lot more attention than than we do to other studios and other libraries that get bought up by like an empty Nbc universal or or. Some other major conglomerates. Like that. i do. Yeah i know you wanna see no time to die and it will. It will come out in without you. Say it and it will come out and teeters. I a almost one hundred percent positive on that Yeah so so this. I don't think it's an antitrust issue. I think they're not gonna find anything. I think they have to do. Their standard review I think that takes several months to actually complete so probably more by the end of the summer will probably hear more on this. If you know if that's gonna slide through easily or there's gonna be some hiccups But this is this new landscape that we're living in With the with the rise of streaming wars Some of these studios are just not gonna. They're not going to compete. And if they're not making a ton of money With with their fair. They're probably gonna get bought up by a bigger organizations Your apple your net flicks and your amazon and some others in fact you know. Paramount has been teetering on the edge for several years now They may be. They may be ripe for the plucking as it were very soon but well as i've heard it many live music Celebration support support your artists by going to see them in venues. If you have independent cinemas go go there if you have a drive in movie theaters. Go there don't don't support your favorite sent our favorite media through streaming because it's not getting your favorite artists anything go to the places where they are exhibiting their work if you have the opportunity. I highly recommended second that okay next item. Oh what this one. This is a cool little special. That i did. I found There's a movie coming out from a guy i wanna say. It's just forget i i. I totally forgot. he's putting. I believe it's a twenty four. But if i if i got that wrong. Correct me in the chat. But it's called the green knight with dave attell this move. This looks really good I wanna see a couple of trailers of have dropped Previously over the last few months and before the first time. I was going to theater in like thirteen months to see a quiet place to do this. The trailer for the green light dropped Really good so. I didn't find this little complementary kind of look at the green knight kind of a trailer kind of behind the scenes. I think it might be behind the scenes. Haven't seen video yet so we'll play it for you right now but this is called legends. Never die an oral history of the green knight narrow narrated by ralf innocent so without further. Ado let's jump into legends. Never die in oral history of the green night. This is almost everything needs to know about the green knight or is the fourteenth century. Epic poem is more formerly known so go lane and the green knight underhill guide. Ralph fiennes degree. Night is a phone. Reaching culturally residents mythic morality tale jay talking was one of the most important scholars to embrace and translate the story degree nights. He considered the paula a window of many colored glass looking back into the middle ages. Mrs harmony original copies of the green knights have been found one and this is he wrote it with no idea. This is the original manuscript to the great night's in seventeen thirty one. Anita fire almost destroyed the green light for but miraculously savante. Now let's get into what the story is really about of your nights is overstep lockton wildest of step four and try on a green light goes believe his character in green color represents the respect for nature the unknown and mean to charleston. He must seek me out to the green chapel. Must find himself to. You may not know who wrote sir. Going the greek nights but we know much of its zero nine. Bold man was an unproven hero in camelot. So going was a night. Roundtable guy chronic place for your nights represents the chivalry recalled going story has influenced countless interpretations encourages across pop culture and beyond scratch so going without any heroic tales. To tell to tell in this world one's worth was defined by ones on this quest is lanes chance to prove himself who want greatness for you going dunkel king arthur legendary king britain master of castle colts in camelot keeper of sold excalibur his zones. Gwen avair beautiful. Noble queen of britain wife of king had an affair with lancelot morgan fe mother to king off his assistant practitioner of monty and merlin legendary wizard bod prophet an advisor to king arthur along. This journey going faces many obstacles strangers unfolds forcing into to prove his honor his courage his chivalry and his loyalty in this title is a moral lesson. Echoes through top line to make on our guiding light through the darkest of all journeys. Chivalry isn't dead. He lied thirty eh. well. I don't know what do you think of that trailer man while it's not really a trailer right. It's just like an addendum. It's aside piece of marketing. But i'm really dug it and i love it. I like it was a lot of information. Yeah that was cool. It was cool. Oh cool on the back story of surg wayne very that three times at yet. We won't do that here. We'll save the audience. No no i have homework. It's about a with that homework. i think will. We'll be watching the trailer of the actual trailer for the green. It's really ill great Hopefully the movie is as good as the marketing pieces. That i've seen that remains to be hopefully what it looks very interesting. And also as you know not much of a fantasy guy but when it stylistic like i will watch whatevs right cool. He's a little bit. What was the cast. After i'd have to actually look at the cast. I don't how it in front of me. But but i recognize people throughout that trailer. That teaser. that was like that was incredibly. Engaging i yeah that is that's on. The list is on the list for sure. Yeah i thought that was a nice little piece of marketing that you know maybe our fans would liken definitely. I thought you'd like it so we pop that out there for you. Know how much like base yes Here's here's a little thing. I found on deadline. And some of you. The redone line might have seen this before. This is for some reasons. I i've ever seen this But they're they're doing a series called. It starts on the page now. I don't know if it's new. So if it's all forgive me for being a newbie to this but Basically it is the put up a Described for either at that episode of television. Or maybe the i. I would assume the first part of script of a movie of it starts on the page Rita key script from season five of the expanse So i took a look at this. And it's it's really cool to which sees a university writer nerds kinda like me. That are that are trying to learn a little bit more about the screenwriting process. It's great to see what a professional script at least for. Tv show like experience. I don't know how many of you are expanse. Fans a huge expense vance great show But kinda see how what the structure of of that looks like and Read it and if you like it. that's awesome. Basically what they do is they. They imbed a pdf reader and descriptors. Right there Scroll scroll through it. I believe i don't. I'm not sure if you can download it But you maybe some of those readers. You can download it to your computer you know. Read later on. But the i found that fascinating and I liked it. They're actually giving readers and fans an opportunity to kind of look behind the scenes at at how that stuff is done at least at least get kinda temple and see how the professionals do so well and how many like i don't know. Have you read a lot of scripts for pleasure. Few of yeah man clan. Not many in one has been Was a star wars script for a movie that was actually a fan script but it was really good. It was really well done in fact this is the only one own awesome. Yeah very good. It's yeah but it's more of a transcript. It's not like the shooting script or anything like that. In pretty much lines the entire process of the movie. I enjoy reading scripts. When they are the development scripts. Like when i read The william gibson screenplay for Alien three before that got pitched like that was an interesting. That was an interesting read. And that's available online wherever you'd like to bing but yes no screenplays are very very interesting in terms of the storytelling the makeup and how how you collaborate with other storytellers to make it happen. It is something between the production designer director and the script writer on the actors in it is a collaborative process when it comes to film and i'm interested in that me too. Yeah as i thought interesting little tidbit so yeah. That's that's on deadline. If you wanna they have their a few. I saw two yesterday. So i don't know if it's a new series if it is kind of checked out on deadline this to comes from deadline. It's the his dark materials season three began shooting for the bbc. Hbo new cast was announced. Filming is underway on the third and final season of his dark materials The adaptation of Beloved fantasy adventure novels season three will be based on the amber spyglass the most complex in the ambitious of his dark materials trilogy of novels Yeah so. I don't know if you watch his dark materials. Scott i am not much of a. I'm not well-versed. It's i was unfamiliar with the books or the dollars. But i did get into the show. I thought the show is really good. At daphne keen from logan fame x twenty three is basically the star of the honors. And it's it's it's. It's good if you're if you're that fantasy you adventure fantasy It's it's real scale surprised. I guess i'm not that surprise. His it sounds like it was a trilogy. It looks like maybe they they. They're gonna break these three seasons into book one but two three. I don't know if that's actually how it was done. But i'm surprised that season three will be the last season but if that's what they did strictly going by the novels that makes seems to make sense to me. So this is all your purview. Don't know anything about any kind of materials can show if you if you love. They have begun shooting. And i would assume that sometime in in twenty twenty two. We'll be getting that that third and final season and you're so young so you're looking forward that i am. Oh yeah. I did like finishing. Tv's sometimes i gonna tap out sometimes. Shows get a little too Veer off the beaten path. Too far. i'm just gonna tap out on them but that one. That one's an easy. It's an easy watch you don't have to. You don't have to use much brainpower. It's a nice You know kind of epic in scope Fantasy adventure show at its its episodes of season. You can get by. You can get through pre quick likable characters. Likable characters miles unlikeable characters great music. It's a great job. You'd like a lot of kacie guy. But no but i'm not a fantasy guy but still it's not a matter of fantasy. It's a matter of. Do i enjoy movies. That are you know. Signed it kind of jovial. I wanna see something. That is uplifting. I wanna see an adventure. I don't necessarily wanna see a tragedy all the time. Things have been going so dark gritty lately and i kind of equate fantasy with going dark and gritty because they were trying to legitimize it or something and so this kind of straddles that in a way it is a bit dark and gritty and at times but stakes but yet but then it does it it gets up lifting. It's you know there's there's right. There's definitely steaks and things happen right or else. It'd be frick boring to watch. But but it's it's it's an uplifting story. I think as we get into this third and final season will really see how this wraps up in. I'm i'm excited to see the end of the story as great awesome So our last piece of news before we kind of get into. What's coming out in movie theaters this weekend. Variety i'm sorry is this comes from the hollywood reporter hong kong's new film. Censorship may force hollywood to make difficult decisions as authorities imposed ban on any theatrical title. Gained a threat to national security documentary makers financiers and district distributors are facing an immediate impact. Well so my heart bleeds. I need more information. Let me explain why that you know. My heart bleeds for some of these filmmakers for the last two decades. It seems like hollywood has been kind of gearing. They are efforts and molding their movies to fit that market to get that chinese dollar Because the market is very large I think in some ways to the detriment of the property and to the film itself. And i think they In certain cases have made filmmakers go outside of basically what they wanted to do in order to fit into this box for this audience up so now mean. It's kind of kind of report you so a little bit I don't know what what do you think about that. Well i you know what. I'm going to take one more look at the show note and then i'm going to find myself an opinion. All right. i'm gonna look at the headline only because i'm a lazy host Kong's new film. Censorship may force hollywood to make difficult decisions Well okay so. I've looked at the headline and based on that alone. All i can say is the chinese government does not appreciate the supernatural. Doesn't like the afterlife. Doesn't like ghosts That has always been a point of contention when it comes to showing movies in china. they also don't like the truth about well. I don't think i'm qualified to provide the truth on china. I'm just a simple person with a captain. America shield who likes talking about movies like yet. No do you think. China is an open and free expression of all sorts of art. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go on the not so much train and say that. Yeah no There are going to be difficult. Decisions of when it is regarding distribution of any product from a free society republic democrat. I don't like don't don't support the evil people who kill people that's that's always been my motto. Yeah that's a. That's a good rule of to follow Kind of i've never been one for the empire like when i played when i play star wars video games. I play the empire. But then i get to turn off the video game and then i get to go out and be a good person because i'm not a bad person and mike and i am. I calling people bad. No not at all. Do i trust the global political situation. No anyways that's an interesting. Are we cancelled. Did that happen already. We just got kids about. Yeah seems like look. I put dan talk about ghosts. One simple people will not let you talk about goes. Apparently the communist government of china will apparently. That's my business moving up in so sorry. I'm so we got Doing theaters this week. there's just a few films coming out obviously nine function clean. I'm the fast. Saga is the big one The another movie. That's coming out as lansky lansky is obviously smaller film. But i saw the trailer for this a couple of months ago and really liked it. I thought it it looked really interesting. portrayal of of my lansky. So that comes out this weekend. I wouldn't mind seeing that movie. I actually. I'm not a big fast. Nine guy or fast and furious franchise person. So if i have you know if i haven't used and i and i do have a free ticket to us at us cinemark so i think i will go and don't forget you. Amc is still having their Their free refill popcorn popcorn. That's right for cinema week and the the last one is the ice road. I heard somebody talking about the ice road the other day and that starts leeson at looks like a liam neeson ice road movie so he was filmed in alberta. I'm looking forward to seeing that. It's on netflix here. After a remote diamond mine collapses. In far northern canada ignorant ice road driver must lead an impossible rescue mission over a frozen out to save the trapped miners. That sounds like a lameness movie me. Yeah it's going to be so those. Are the three movies in theaters this weekend. Hopefully everybody is like me at can go to the theater. I know scotty you're still waiting for the the open where you are. Unfortunately i have drive ins and saw also and the thing is is that they're playing classic movies and that's one of the like i. I would like people to go out and see whether it be drive in or if your local theaters are opened again and they are starved for content. And they're playing classic films like this is prime time blockbuster season you should check out some old blockbusters that you never got the opportunity to see in the theater and don't say that you turn it on on net flicks and not wear pants. You should actually go out and sit and have the undivided attention with the big screen. And the sound. it's it's it's such a good time and it reinvigorates your local businesses and it does start a sense of community you get to you. Get to laugh at a comedy with everyone else in the room that you don't know you get to be startled by an action movie with a bunch of people who are startled at the same time. That is what this theater experience is about. I recommend it if you have the chance and even if you have to go to a drive in honk your horn. Someone shows their boobs. Okay is that what you do in canada. Talk your heart when somebody says what you don't. It's been so long since we had drive in theaters around me that you know i was a teenager and we canadians anytime. We see boobs. We just own car horns as a teenager in southern california going to drive ins. I rarely saw the movie that was playing just saying more active romantic life than i did so busy explaining the movie. No if you feed them after midnight they they. It's bad bad are. Let's jump into the some comments we get a bunch of comments. I'm so excited to hear about the chat because our friends like to come in. Nick none of us so cool way. Here we go. Let's see let's start talk. Michael billy dee williams should have been to face. That was a crime. I agree yes. I just saw an article. Rendition of billy as to set looked pretty good i i i still don't know i don't know if i can go there all the way with john michael but a lot of people seem to think that would have been the way to go. I think one of my biggest disappointments for batman forever was that billy dee williams was not to face if you wanna give me michael gough as alfred and we are continuing on with pat angle as commissioner gorden than the least. You could have done as a filmmaker is make billy dee williams to face that was important to me and that is where it broke the various food of that group of batman movies so i remember it was aaron eckhart played. You be nolan films. Yes okay now who played. Who played tickets. Who played to on. Tommy lee jones. Tom jones yes sir. That's right thank you. Oh no no no trouble. But i was just. I was very disappointed when it wasn't tom. Jones or it wasn't billy dee williams tommy lee jones three names to actors. I don't know all. I remember about that performances that it felt like way over the top. Which one for a for. Tommy lee jones. Yes to face okay. Okay you re this todd michael once again. Thank you again I was nineteen. And i took my younger cousins to see. I liked it then but i find it hard to watch today. I assume you're still talking about Batman forever. But i don't know because we're catching up at the end of the show. I apologize for all of the late responses. Todd michael against my favorite batman will always be kevin conroy that is science fact Same with clancy brown as lex luther. Fact awesome plant. Michael champion again gs eight year. Old man gets injured doing action in a movie. Huda thunk it. I but i saw jack palance. Do one arm push-ups at the oscars. I refuse to accept. That's right Let's see next is facing Anonymous facebook user is this thing live. can't find a youtube link. well it is live stream to To three different places we obviously we stream on youtube. You can find a therapy phantasmagoria show. We also stream to our facebook. Page the phantasmagoria. M- show page as well as We used Shrink to a private group like minded friends And you're welcome to join that group. The link i believe is still in the description of this video if not find either myself or study on facebook in ask us and we'd be happy to let you into a twitter soon eventually at some at some point. I'm not a twitter fan. I believe it's now. I don't wanna i don't wanna play there but apparently it's good for promotion is so we will do that. I just that's that'll be last on my list of things. Put it off. put it off. I will Tim possible nice to see you here. General can another anonymous faced with year. I'm thirty nine. I got hurt getting out of bed today. Come up time. Forty three and i bounce. It happens to us talk. Michael joyce fifty-one euro-lire. You look you look like a thirty five year. Old man take days. Tiberius says ford's hand connect better than most just watch what lies beneath our. I'm never seen what lies beneath. Oh absolutely and. I think it's one of those things that you have to see. And it would be an amazing double bill between castaway and You watch castaway and what lies beneath simply because that is michael jordan circle and i think the writing is horrible. You sure it's roberts amac is it's more of a thriller okay. I might have a different movie. But let's see how michael in the chat saying hello to tiberius by would too and says yo she says that wants me to take out loans but to buy stuff up and i assume we're talking about the columbia volume to the right that trailer. I loved it because you're like oh man that's cool that's cool. These are all in one set. Let's get it at. I'm sure it's like three. Had i haven't. I haven't looked to see how much it was. Do you remember you know it's like it's for their four came movies and there's only six of them eight like it can't be more than one hundred twenty bucks. Maybe one hundred and sixty way. I'd like to see i'd like to get that that set to Top todd michael says nerd deter shape. That i don't know probably talking to me yes guilty. Okay the beast my wife's once ios aj. I assume it's norwegian. My beast wants rice. Ignore well it's too late sir. I apologize for us reading your chat keyboard on the ritz. Apparently apparently i blame maitland ward. This one's really todd. Michael says okay. Let's see how well scott reiterates. My explanation of the beats beats beats. Mori conducted himself admirably. I think i did okay. They're not are not by mechanical. And thank you for that You thank you for that correction. Thank you yeah. I wasn't i wasn't sure a but it does sound like with with the Conversation we have a toe with todd michael yesterday that they do like take some kind of armor and put armor on. So they're not just machine looks like they have some armor but well i'll have more conversations with talk about this happens to be his bailiwick so i'll get. I appreciate the use of the word. Bailiwick better information on. Beast wars and their animal's skin somehow protected them from the environment that they're robot forms. Were motorable to. Yeah no but they were but they were just transforming robots transformers if you will from cyber tron which was running out of energy as it always is their animal's skin. That's what i'm that's what kind of don't understand the animal's skin part but okay. Well i guess we're gonna find out right. Facebook says todd. Michael yon last name her taking vitamins. So that face burke's talking about todd. Michael biehn fifty. Why and how it hurts to get her. Who and also no. But he's a very good looking man. Like i'm surprised that he's fifty one. I thought he was at least like forty tom. Michael says if anima as can't even talk today if amazon buying 'em gm's is questionable warner and discovery should be viewed as a trusted and they were I i i don't think it's questionable. I think i think that will prove to be shale right through I don't see any hiccups in buying the mgm librarian. I mean basically. That's what they're doing. They're buying their library. I think amazon is going to start putting out movies under the mgm banner. But i could be wrong. But that'll be part of the sale as well. But i don't think i don't think they're gonna find too many issues with the sale. I find a lot of the issues when it comes to licensing Film or television. A lot of it comes down to the separate licensing of music. And that's where a lot more lawyers get involved in terms of what the distribution and availability of those music. Licenses are involved whether it be regionally or through studio That's the one. Whenever i want something and i cannot get it. I look it up. And it's like music rights so if there are any difficulty with the licenses i would say it's probably a musical issue but whatever than amazon will bite the will by the music as well. Yeah we're living in a world of billionaires my friends they can buy whatever they want. Walt disney has a head in a bucket. It's marigold jesus. okay. I'm sorry. I dark fast. Michael says i wish danny boyle had directed no time today interesting choice. I'd like danny boyle That is an interesting I have to put more thought into that but that sounds like a fun games bond movie. I haven't seen the original no time to die. Earn what go no time to die yet. No anything that so. I can't compare it to something. That doesn't exist thomas as i think. Beast wants rice b.'s. okay. I don't sounds like carmichael is responding to aircraft. Okay saying i think beast wants rice. Sounds like a good name for a questionable food. What is in beast wants rice. I think it's something that tiberius said are anonymous. Facebook user has been is thursday. Okay cool we love having our buddies coming Chat it's fun to interact with you guys this way. I think i think that's let me. I just to double check our streamlined elements. Yeah okay. we're good there. So i think that's gonna do it for us today unless you have. Well we do have one thing we wanted to i. I wanted to touch on just before we go. Obviously the new episode of loki. Drop last night. we're not gonna. We've decided not to do any kind of review spoiler otherwise on the channel just today just due to the fact that we actually do a lucky spoiler discussion on fridays on black. Phillip alvarez's channel. So we're gonna we're gonna save our slings and arrows or love and rainbows for that particular conversation. But i do please guys tune in this friday because i believe it's going to be very interesting The last two Discussions have been basically. It was a love fest. let's call it. What what it was. It was a slobbering love fast with lucky. This friday is not so much. I know that I have a very different take on this episode than scott anez and. We'll have to see what ben phil have to say on friday but it'll be an interesting conversation on the lesson i'm looking for coming. I believe so. I believe so. Don't hold me to that but I believe so too to more chess. Came in real quick. Go to todd. Michael danny boy was the original director left to create differences. That's right remember now. I remember that. Now you remember saying that and i hope that doesn't mean that he was trying to make a good movie. Yeah right he. I don't know people. Seem to love the bond franchise. I i haven't i haven't seen the new the new bond movies i just wasn't interested in it and it's weird too because i love daniel craig. Maybe i'll get around and watching james bond at some point. We'll you'd like if you're hiring for james bond correspondent i'm very well versed in the franchise and i would very i would like to. I would like to try out. Well you're hiring it's just that easy and then tiberia says i'm not the dirt non answer. I think he is. He is it's true anyway. You wanna get out of here. I'm board idea. I think the show has run. Its course we had a great show today as always thank you very much scott. I appreciate your Partnership in this endeavor and. I think that we're going to keep doing these. Like i said we're keeping these as long as people wanna watch him in until we get tired of doing them but for now. I'm having a blast. I'm really enjoying myself as well stephen. No it's more you know. One of us is going to kick other one out eventually but until that day happens. I'm looking forward to all the fun awesome. So scott are thirty. Seven i steve foley and have a great day everybody.

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Sup Doc: A Documentary Podcast

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177 - WATCH OR NOT DOCS

"Hey i'm still george chen and you're listening to suck duck and today we're doing one of our watcher. Not episodes re review and recommend some recent documentaries and just catch up pokka. How you've been man. i'm good. I've been very good. Thank you Been watching some dodge. You know. I've actually like slipped into fiction like watching majority like i've been watching lots of sopranos Which is my my go-to old school. Like i have nothing else to watch right now. So i i think my my eighth watching of the entire series of the sopranos at this point. Yeah and you were just on. Matlab and vinci's sopranos podcasts. Yeah pied yourself a gun. Yeah that we do. The wears johnny season five episode three. Where's johnny episode one of my faves which was cool that it fell in my lap. Because i do love that episode. Yeah any other appearances. show things or other pods. you've been on no no other pods. Besides this one getting ball. It's something has the entire. San francisco is this. Rebound inflames. i mean it is to say it's very hot down here. I imagine all over the west coast. There's a heat wave going on so when you're listening this hopefully we're still here. Yeah san francisco is not in the heat wave. It's sixty sixty. I think here today. It's always sixth. Emmy when it gets to sixty five people like this town is changed. Can i tell you that. I've been talking a lot about the weather. I think i did in the last episode. San luis obispo have no opinion. I you send maybe have a slightly negative opinion. And now i have like i have like built it up in. My mind is like this as guard. It's like like it's funny. The weather great food like yeah chill vibes means you get an older man. You you've seen you've seen the the other side of things which are like chill vibes. Good good weather ignites restaurants. So i feel about sacramento. I used to hate. It's fucking hot. In sacramento yeah. It's it's cheaper than the bay and there is stuff to do and it's close to the bay but is so god damn hot that i can't imagine i've fresher. I felt like every time i've been there. It's been like. I don't understand how people live here right. Well that's how i felt even when it wasn't hot because it was like it's sacramento's fucking boring horrible. I used to love going up there to like play like sack davis and stuff. There was a really cool scene. Like i guess this is like now eighteen years ago or something that you can say the eighteen hundred eighteen hundred gold mine. The gold rush seen. Actually i don't think i would have done well in sacramento the eighteen hundreds. Let's just no you wouldn't have no. It would have been what was that. Hbo show you're on swirled. It would've been like westworld. I'll could have auditioned for one of those parts. Which i didn't watch that episode but it was like you're going to be faced down in the desert and you're going to be like the people are gonna be like shoving railroad spikes into you. I'm like call your agent. That's not what i signed up for. You know asian period. So i was just like i'm just going to do. The samurai i like was wrong. Ethnicity by on the show unless which of the now. I'm going to throw you a curveball. You aren't ready for this because we didn't talk about but which of the last ten docks that we've covered was like your favorite or maybe like the one you probably wouldn't have watched ten pack going back. I feel like i mean like i i was really i really volun- grey gardens like i was like i needed to like wash gardens for sure and then now i started watching the one called that summer about that summer abou- at that period of yeah like and like stones warhol hanging out in montauk with right li like jackie o sister. What do you mean you drop the ball. What does that mean i mean. I never had seen graveyards before. We did yeah. Yeah yeah. I knew a little bit about it as like i kind of note. This is right. Started watching so we watch that and then i was like watch this just calang and now we gotta watch that summer. I read about like the marble fond dude. What's centers a link to that. Podcast is about his life. Because memoir. After that i think might have been right shifts over. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah that's a classic. I i had seen it before but like it was usually like midnight one. Am showing at a party. They were throwing grey gardens off. What part yeah. I used to throw miles davis if i wanted people to get out of my house when i used to have parties just put on sketches of spain. I've never i've definitely thrown on like a grind core seven inch and it's time for you to leave my hat's that's you know you should leave. I think if anyone looked at us they would have switched those two things. Been in my life and you. Yeah yeah exactly. But that is not outworked. I you know. I say the bestiality no. I'm not yeah. Oh animal passions. What did you do to us. But man that's done well as far as listens. Let's kind of kind of interesting. There's some secret sauce. I wanna talk about the house and you to talk to rodney again. Yeah oh yeah. I guess i would say glitch in the matrix is one of my favorite new docks. Yeah i went over to his office in highland park and the key. I was like man. This is not good acoustics for podcast right but it was also my first in person interview over a year. Oh we did an interview. Because we've been doing the skype this we're doing zoom thing for so long it probably was like another director. Talk is probably when i talked to. Arthur in giorgio about feels good man right. When was the last one where you and i are in the same room with a guest. I'm alive one. I can't even remember your buddy. The journalist guy that we did the dodger stadium without have been like. That's maybe like two and a half years ago which could be could be the case. That could have been like. I fell one then. We had barbecue which we did the live thing now. We're just like look. If you know the answer let anyone straight feel. It might have been like the live. Piano fight thing might have been the last time we did on in the room for sketch. Fest maybe whoa. Maybe we've been doing the zoom thing. I took a writing class a Sitcom writing class on zoom like three years ago. That was like this is fucking cool. Like i don't know you could do this. Kinda shit you know. And that's when we. I remember i remember being like. Hey zoomed might be because we are using zen caster. Oh gosh yeah yeah. Yeah and then. Castro was weird because you couldn't see anybody in glitches. Yeah a lot of glitches. And then we yeah. We moved onto zoom but That's interesting Yeah i liked your interview with. Rodney was really interesting. I don't know what it is about famous documentary. Filmmakers have cavernous cement lined offices. Oh yeah brett morgan style. Yeah for sure morgan's office was like metal and stone. Yeah because like they're like not doing any audio mixing in their offices. Feel like rodney. Might've been yeah. No it's really interesting to talking about like the processes like everyone. You asked us animation. We talked a lot about the animation team that he worked with talked about sound design. I would love to do a talk. 'cause i just met up with a friend of mine. Who does music music licensing stuff. Like a sink person and soundtrack score person who works on. Docs just docs. Because the budgets that gap to be totally different for dachshund they would be for like lucky or something absolutely different but also is just as tenuous you know of just like trying to find people and I mean as we get into our talk today. I think some of seoul was that way for a lot of different filmmakers trying to like chase down people that own rights to songs and stuff yemen. That's really yeah. And i mean you know we just did the auto tune episode as well with with eric so like that stuff just never changes that industry. Just never changes really wild. Yeah i heard from several people that they liked The audio tune episode the best out of the this is pop shows which i agree with because like the ones where it's really like host e or feel really gimmicky right. Yeah yeah someone wrote on her instagram. Thank post about the episode. There like this was my favorite episode of the series And i thought they meant. And i was like damn. That's really cool. You the autopilots episode right right all right. So let's get into watch or not showy. Yeah for sure. What do you got coming up. What's your what are you pitching. What's your what your groove. I'm in well. We both got to watch the sparks brother a seeing all the time flies. Those guys they are in the nominally. I don't feel like they purposely have been trying to be mysterious right. They do people over that out would was what's going on. It seems sighing. But he's fantastic. They would make really good muppets. Snaky lead singer you know something for the ladies than you go on the tables. It is a little strange. I was very amped to watch the sparks brothers documentary because i like sparks. I l- really like ed. You're right. I have watched a lot of your rights movies and i was like. He's gonna be real interesting documentary maker and he really played it pretty straightforward. I have to say it was very middle of the road for intel. Tell people who would agree right at. You're right like Shawna the debt. I think was his first thing. But i think he. Simon pegg worked on spaced together. Before that. and like yeah hot fuzz. Right you know he was supposed to do ant man. I feel like there's parts of ant man that have a little bit of anger feel. When was the last thing baby driver. Maybe there's something since baby driver but very connecticut filmmaker stuff with the sparks thing that just felt like so chronological and you know just loaded with all these cool quotes and then just dives right into like just biography stuff like right away like This is kind of what. I would have pictured with the pay saying that. He has for everything else that he's done right and i think that's what a lot of people's i it's weird. It's like you have if you're making a biographical documentary about someone or a band or some person it's like who do you. Who is your audience. People that love them or people that have never heard of them. Hadn't which do you pick. Which avenue do you pick you pick one or the other you know and with with a ban like this where it's like. They're both wildly underrated and also have had several like top singles. Same time it's like you can't be just fans service because part of the point of these. Things is introducing sparks to a broader audience. Right right essentially what he's trying to do and i think he's been pretty successful with that and like they on their own have done so much like they have this other film coming out with like marianne courtyard and adam driver like this film that you know how they were so upset. They talk a lot about how their crossover into cinema like they were supposed to work with french director. Right you're supposed to work with tim burton. Which sounds like that would have been amazing. Like i think like i like yeah. It sparks had done one of the batman themes god that would have been for man returns and all man. I mean that would put him on his nap. Then you know like that would have been there their way into mainstream being on a bat like the michael keaton batman or something about sparks before watching nothing. Oh literally nothing like. Did you know that the songs know none really. I don't know how. I fucking missed sparks. I'd always heard okay so always especially moving to california people of my age like oh sparks sparks. Every friend of mine from la sparks. All the way owing boeing boeing goes spar like. There's these bands that i i. I'm not danny alvin. Only going oh person. I couldn't even name one of their songs an album. But i like it when i hear it. But the same with your weird science steph. Weird science is the one that stands for sure simpsons fan but yeah but that's not only going that's right. Yeah but i just kept hearing about sparks in how awesome they were. And i'm like how did i miss this fucking band like i don't know anything about them at all so i was really excited to watch the duck and i watched it in chunks. I couldn't. I couldn't just sit and watch the entire thing and when sydney was way too long. Yeah i did watch it and i was like. Oh yeah. they made like twenty five albums and they're spending time on each album lots of time. Yeah those guys seem very very interesting. And i wish i would have liked to see them. Walking around like like san luis obispo or or wherever they grew up in the hills of california or l. a. m. I would have liked to see more about them. You know yes. They're apartment what their apartment looks like. How many cats do they have like. Because that's what. I love about biographical documentaries like we were just talking about gray's garden like it would be cool to have them just doing their day to day. Life thing should have been more great gardens. It could've been not been. Yeah it probably could have been should have been. I'll say like there. They're very okay. So they're very self aware people and very like winky. and like very it's very larry wing arch. I guess it'd be a good word for sparks overall so and they don't seem to reveal a lot about their personal lives. I mean it's set up. I i was actually. I was just talking. Be allowed us at a party again by parties again like i was like i didn't know like everyone thought russ was such a fox. Like apparently like that was like just common common knowledge. He's like he's like a beautiful seventies man. Right is he. He looked like a classic b movie seventies hunk from the the the the pictures i saw. Were like yeah. I can see that. He was a handsome for the seventy s. He was handsome and like hands shirtless and one of his album covers and stuff. And but yeah i had heard i knew eighty stuff i knew cool places angst in my pants a few hits but then like what i remember like. I don't know fifteen sixteen years ago being a friend's house and he's just playing like the half nelson album. Mike what is this. He's like oh. This is the band. That sparks was before the became sparks. I'm like you're you're that eighties van has been around since nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine or whatever that's right saying well that's what i thought. I thought they were strictly in eighties band. Yeah i thought there is a sense pop. Eighties band that just kind of. There's so many of them that are awesome that just fall through the different cracks of your life that you'd never like big country or something that you never hear about or get to know you know like they did well with mtv to say. I think like that. I associate them with like the mtv era. Which is like eighty-one like eighty six or something. Which makes sense are very theatrical. Yeah the you know. They're very energetic and theatrical and like you said winky which. I feel like the wink bands. Never do well in america because americans don't enjoy satire. Americans don't do satire well so if you're the rolling stones you like yeah man fucking do drugs in fuck people people but if you're like we do drugs and fuck people. Wink wink no we. Don't we drink tea. That people are like. I'm confused Everyone thought they were a british or well. I never even the hitler moustache. Charlie chaplin thing is very confusing. Yeah i actually surprised that there was no pushback on that. But but yeah. I mean ron. They're both like very iconic perfectly said. It's like another band. I think is like that. Maybe like sleaford mas right where it's kind of like the one guy never talks and then the other guys. It's just like this kind of this duo comedy. It's a comedy duo energy and their brother is and there was that whole element to that. I feel like queen is another reference point. I would say yes if you took queen and then we're really made it like more compact. I think that's kind of like sparks. It's because it's like the vocal range is has a great vocal range. Yeah like they have a great knack for melodies and it's just like they just churn through so many people and they never got like bombastic in the way that queen does or a arena right. They like everything feels orchestrated. I i remember them kind of coming back around. Two thousand six two thousand seven. I think it was like that album. That dick around is on and then and then remember them. Being on the cover of like arthur magazine. And then doing that residency. I didn't remember. That residency was in was in london when they did that when they did lack every album. Yeah that's so crazy. That's they were bigger in in the uk so it makes sense right like a shoutout to homegirl. Jane wiedlin always like a scene. Stealer in everything. Like like i was like she's totally ran away with the gogo stock and then she's like just like just rastas kind of like the bimbo and i was like. Oh it's like she was in this one and like yeah cool places great song. She's only two songs on that album. Yeah that's yeah you know her. She's from the go-goes right. I don't know her personally. Oh okay but she was like. Wow that's cool. She's in the bill. And ted's movie right. She's an awesome she's awesome. Yeah absolutely i was i. I came away being a little bit more of a fan than i was when i first started watching that. Not eight not huge. I didn't didn't tell me much. I was like like i feel like it's passed me by 'cause i just didn't get into it when i was a teenager or something i did go out and buy komo no. Oh come on my house. Yeah come on in my house. Yeah i went out. I went to amoeba down the street. -an picked up a copy of that which yet to play. But i bought a copy of that. From sean carnage. Who went. I think i saw there was a crew that went to go. See this. Like chaki and sean carnage like this. Like old school l. a. I'm sure bredberg would've been hanging out with them. But yeah i was surprised at some of the talking head interviews included like some of the people they decided to like scott offerman for some reason. Yeah you know edgar right puts himself in there. Which i think is fine. There's some funny some funny like you know guest spots in there like fred. Arnesen is becoming the new like music. Doc i guess yeah yeah it does make sense. Yeah needs a. He's a good interviewer. So yeah i mean it's for me all my friends that love love. The sparks hated the documentary. Oh really yeah yeah. I mean kind of pretty much across the board. I had a friend who lives in texas and he drove two hours to go see it not theater and he was just like i just could have waited till hulu. He's like. I knew all this stuff right. If you're really fan you might know a lot of it. Yeah yeah he was really disappointed. He wanted more like what made them tick where their creativity come from the fights. The you know the guinea all that kind of stuff which this doc oddly lacks. Yeah it doesn't it sets up this dichotomy of like russ is the pretty boy and like the front man. And ron is sort of like the self deprecating tortured one. But like there i. They both seemed like to be in on the same joke. So it's like they never really expose a lot of themselves are like the stuff behind that just other than like. They're really were into cinema. They went to like was it. Ucla yes yeah and then like they worked like it's great to hear from like someone like tony visconti right like that's like of course you want to hear that stuff or like like the giorgio moroder period or all these different periods. They went through like yeah people like. I've read people's writing about this film and being like it was very inspiring to anyone. Who's like an artist and wants to like you. Know like the has not found their their hook yet and like wants to just keep going and like follow the beat of their own drum. I don't know if that's what you got out of that. I didn't i. you know it was. It wasn't yeah it it wasn't like inspiring me to like keep going till seven. No what i gotta hit. When i was like twenty three. You know exactly what i got of. It is the usual things that i'm getting out of american culture. Which is you know if you stay true to yourself and give people what is out of your heart and there's a little humor in wink to it. You're never going to have a top on or play or movie you know like it's just not going to happen because it's it's it's much for people. I think to decipher. So i mean it's like zappa. It's like any of the bugs. It's like kevin beef. Are you know like all those awesome sixty seventies bands at stayed true to their humor and just never had a top song. So it's either you you are okay with giving people your heart and your soul and living in obscurity or not like you have to countries i mean. I think we if we've had to like settle for one of those. I feel like tae. Don't turn the mirror on a the underlying message here. Yeah and exactly. So what what do you think recommend it. What would you recommend y like. I watched the with angie. And she didn't know anything about them she's like i want to go see them life like she loved it and i really. I still enjoyed it even though it followed such like a tried and true doc path. I just like i felt like a little bit. Like i thought right would do something a little kooky. Or there's like little animations and stuff which. I thought were fun but yeah. I wanted a bit more kook to fit to be fit. Them definitely recommended to anyone. Like i don't know if my mom would be able to like sit through something like this but anyone who likes music documentaries or like you know just like us music. I think would get me out of it. Let me put you on the spot real quick. Gimme don't think about this answer. Just give me quick. You put a package of three music documentary together for someone what what would be in that package. Concert film would probably be one of those. Like taiwan doc. I'd say stop making sense would be one of those. Because that's a pivotal film for me. I would also say devil. Daniel johnston even though it's kind of even though it is. It's kind of pushing the definition of music doc. I'm also say that would be keen to jefferson. there. I couple spied. you're on the spot. That was good though. I mean i can't. I can't argue with that Backed back at your way. Well i was going to say the stop making sense. The devil and daniel johnston and ville anvils one of my favorite music documentaries. But like pretty much the same with you. Like if someone came to me like i don't. I don't know anything about music documentaries. You're the documentary. Dude gimmie three. It'd be like all right here. Yeah because i think like i'm trying to think of what's a pure music doc. I mean that's not a performance stock right right. 'cause like stopping sense is just performance. True de johnston is like more like balsam mental health and stuff but then like and ville is like just like this distrustful just like anyone's burgling through stuff and just persevering through struggling like. That's that's what i'd say. The themes are with each of those. So yeah. I'm sure we could probably like have a blog post about this topic on the website. Podcast dot com. There you go. Well i would say i'm kind of the same. I would recommend this but not you know. Give it like a b. Plus you know as far as my where i would recommend this and the skill of eight f. Sal never got like annoyed with them did you. Did you get annoyed with them. I was just not excited. It was exciting to me. I was not annoyed. I was really really. I was very excited to watch the screener. And i just i watched it in chunks. Because i was like just board okay. So now you're in england. Now you're back now. You're confused now. You wanna do disco like the what what was missing was like they're fucking obviously so fucking talented. Yeah and what. What i felt was missing from this dock was anything about their talent. They were like oh we were making these kind of operatic songs in the seventies and then disco came and then we just made like a disco hit and then they're like they kind of jumped from that like. Oh now we just made another hit and it's like oh you guys just kind of throw it some hits then or something. Well how does that fucking work. Yeah that's what was missing for me. That's the kind of stuff. I like so all right. Let's move on all right. What else you got on the old burner. I just watched the donut. King actually did watch this chunks as well. This is on hulu. They heard about it last year. I think it actually is at twenty twenty release. A lot of the footage is from twenty thousand nine so imagine. The post production was in twenty twenty Alice skew is director Palko what's your favorite doughnut place. Oh bob's donut dude. Bob's donut. And they moved one. Two blocks from my house is that chain is that like a sf chain. No just one. Bob stone on polk street. That's open till three a. M. i mean not a drinker so as a drinker. That's lived in san francisco for a long time that one. Am stand in line for an apple. Fritter for a fresh warm apple for the size of your head was always a thing. At bob's donuts is like a super famous. Don't place in san francisco. We actually shot. I shot a music. A spoof music video there once called maximum wage and they have since moved to baker street. So they're just a couple blocks from nice donut shop around the corner from me here in la beautiful. And one thing you'll notice bob's is ran by cambodian family is it. I couldn't tell you. I don't know who. Oh no wait. They think well now sounds fucking white here but there. I don't know of the asian one time you can say like this asian person that runs a donut. Shop is probably cambodian. Because it's just a fact is interest nineteen seventies a lot of cambodian immigrants were sponsored to come in the us by this one guy ted his his uncle ted who is cambodian who when he first came to america like had a donut lost. His mind was like i'm love. Doughnuts went to work at windchills. Became like he learned how to make donuts and then he just started donut shops. What to the point. where like. Yeah this uncle. Ted and the way that worked with the refugees system like in thailand. So they they needed to get approved to come to america and they need to sponsor so they would. These refugees would show up. After you know the you know the marriage like kill all these people and stuff they show up and then like they need a skill he just hires them to work in the donut shops then he starts just franchising donut shops. All around the west coast like southern cal. Merrily goes on up to northern california and places to the point where like dunkin donuts hadn't really made a foothold on the west coast. at all. right. We're kind of like demolished by mom-and-pop holy shit is that okay fuck. That is so interesting. Because of all the all star donuts in san francisco. They're all asian run. Probably will you not only get a doughnut. But you can get egg rolls in anything that goes into a deep fryer brian right. I love these fucking places. There was an all-star donut. When i worked at ubiquity records across the street from ubiquity was an all star donut place on ninth and mission And my window in my office faced it. It just like just smells of all the all star but ninth and mitch. I will say next to like a city of gold. This is like a movie that will make you wanna go eat something red. I love donuts fucking. I love a good apple. What about what's your favorite toni. I've been like a twist man my whole life and actually i. I've worked with an old fashioned. Oh i like the fashion cakes. But okay yeah. We're very complex people. Yeah i never would have thought that. I mean you're you're like sound you're like a punk sound guy but you old fashioned i mean i i don't like sprinkles i don't really like why that much i don't not argue. I don't like this thing. I don't like cake that much. Because i'm not a frosting person the more just straight up doe you can give me which like gays glazed twist doesn't for me so essentially it's the story Of sort of this. Like the american dream like i can't get over the sprinkles coming no sprinkle. I'm more focused. It's like it's an american dream. Immigrant maze good to the point. This guy is like basically kicked dunkin. Donuts out of california is amazing. He was trained by windchills and essentially. It was like in competition with winston. His his chain was called christie's his wife's name was christy. So christie's donuts all over southern california sear k. C. christie's but i don't know how much i can how. How can i talk about this. Let's boiling it. Well then you learn about just like a genocide and like and then like this refugee process and stuff i didn't jerry. Brown didn't want cambodian refugees in california really but like gerald ford. Did like this like a right. It's ultimately i'd say reminds me of like you know golden. It's sort of a celebration of like immigration culture. There's also the fact that basically the way that these businesses that survived was the child labor. It was like every one in the family. Right was working folding pink boxes or what. They were doing doing their homework in the corner and also putting silverware in napkin roles. So there's a there's sort of a rise and fall with uncle. Ted specifically and so it kind of touches on that and also touches on the overall phenomenon of like cambodian donut shop pop ownership and a couple of food critics here and their pop their head in. But it's not like a foodie sort of a foodie. Doc crosses like just like a cultural immigrant story doc. So interesting see what's the name of it again. The donut king and it is available. I watched on hulu on who you could watch elsewhere. It did hit the festivals last year whatever virtual festivals interesting. I am very interested. I saw a doc on hunan chicken. Oh yeah. I have not watched that. But i know what you're talking about. It's really good. It's the same story. Basically i mean not the same story but along the same lines of like immigrants. Doing good. I like the wave of like food. Things we've seen are like netflix has had a ton of food stuff. Obviously they did in was big even when we watch this like competition shows. It's just like you know. Food representing ethnicity and culture. And like you know a place where you can build like empathy across. You know you're using your senses. I guess and learn about culture but you know it's it's like you gotta love the people as much as you love the food. And that's like the thing that we like the underlying message of these things but for sure and then like i mean thank god for food trucks to bring us diversity in different people's foods and the like Like assembling difference. Yeah different styles into one. Yeah i mean. I'll say one common. I read on letterbox about this film was just like it's cute. Capitalism as like you know it's definitely like he loves like george w bush and then he he started becoming like a again going vegas and stuff but like It is weird to see some of that so like you know pull yourself up by your bootstraps in this day and age. Because it's like. I can only survive. Companies are barely surviving now unless they really like hustle and do something different because now dunkin donuts is like. We're taking over california. We're we're we're really not like we're going in hard. We're trying to the smartest thing there. Dunkin donuts ever did was took the focus off their donuts and put it on their coffee. Yeah apparently the coffee. They love dunkin. Donuts coffee i mean. I grew up with the dunkin donuts. Their coffee so fucking strong. But it's funny. They're like let's just put all the emphasis on her coffee in what we're famous for. There's another coffee brand. That's doing well and competing with all right. Well let's Let's listen to this clip and then we'll talk on the other side donut time uncle tad opened up seventy shop call. We doughnut kick gave cambodian refugees a chance to make an america met one time estimates his wealth twenty million dollars. Life was good. It wasn't the perfect man by los everything everything. 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Sorry summer of soul. thank you. i'd also say the title and chunk summer of soul quest loves documentary on hulu. Yeah yeah interesting. Very interesting really amazing The concert footage it's essentially was a music festival in harlem rate like two months before woodstock but got none of the woodstock. Love woodstock got all the love. Summer of soul didn't get much And this is a documentary with the pretense that it was Some master footage hidden in a closet or locked in a closet or locked in a basement depending on what you read for fifty years before i love brought it out. Yeah and i started watching this last night. And i you know i would have. I wish i could finish it before so we could talk about it all the way. I thought it was going to be almost all like concert footage. But there is a bit more interviews and context like they start interviewing this guy about like. Where were you in. Nineteen sixty nine. I'm like there's no way. That guy is over fifty years old like he looks like he's younger than me. Like what the fat. And he was like was a little kid. And i was like obsessed with marilyn mccoo of the fifth dimension. See that yeah. I so yeah. It's really great. Just like watching stevie wonder just rock the drums out. Any footage of stevie wonder is great and talented. It's amazing at the staples singers like it's definitely like. I do wish that. I had gone to see this with people because like this is i think it was screening at. Maybe like the greek theater down here. It's an interesting night. And i'm oh man that would have been such a fun movie to see with a crowd just weird to watch it alone and be like oh man. This is this rate footage. What's the name of the. Tony is the promoter. I love i love like just some. There's some stuff about like being a concert promoter and how it's like yeah. This whole thing was built on like half commitments. I'm like alka. That sounds right now. Every promoter does things but the fact. I got like the city that ship in money for the mayor. The mayor was i'm into it. The mayor was into it and came down and talked about it and it was kind of part of his program to like get harlem back into stride and but you're right like nothing. My therapist talks a lot about holding things loosely and nothing will teach you about holding things loosely than being a concert promoter and booker and producer. Because you're just like this. Could all just go away right before the show. I you know i i in produced a comedy show in san francisco for almost a decade and headliner. Just doesn't show up. What you what what is. What does your therapist call it when you hold things. Too tightly anxious being anxious basically. That's that is. That's being controlling in steeped in anxieties when you hold things too tightly. Yeah having having some abandonment issues and all them interesting just the need to control so if you grew up in like household you tend to hold things tightly. Yeah i would definitely relate to being a control person as well. that's why we do a podcast. I actually briefly lived in like that. I think the lower part of harlem like one hundred twenty fifth and broadway. Oh i didn't know that. Yeah and i regret like not going to like the hollow or doing all like all my friends lived in brooklyn i was like. What am i doing up like because my roommate went to colombia. So i m ling- department. I write access to and right right right. It was long enough ago that i was paying like six hundred a month and it was like this is about a little bit more than what i paid in san francisco and like this is a very long time it goes year we talked to you. Thousand yeah thousands. So it's not that long but there was no like festivals like this in the middle of harlem. When's the last time you were up in harlem. I god probably fifteen years ago. I can't remember anymore. Friends live like on the like on the dividing area of like harlem and manhattan in columbia. Yeah area so we. It's fun it's nice to just kinda stroll up there. There's like. I dunno where we go off lots of great restaurants. We went to this. Like gourmet cheddar. No gourmet grilled cheese. Please i can happen. Yeah but but it's a great documentary. I mean it's it's another one where you can watch it in chunks. You're not gonna miss anything really. I mean it's like there's no like spoiler alert. You know nina simone flies with jet pack or something you know i didn't i didn't get oh man i mean it's the performance to it's the credit krell makram performances of this. But i'm a huge nina simone fan. Anyways it's weird. There is some. I don't know like i grew up in you know in a black family my stepfather. This was all he listened to this this kind of music you know. In like he was in the fifth dimension so seen maryland mccoo and billy davis junior who were in my stepdad's wedding when he married my mom like i have a stepdad was in the fifth dimension. Yeah he was okay. I never knew this yeah. I don't think we've talked about it. I know but i have a picture of me. Sitting maryland mccoo slap in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy loved that -actly. Yeah well so. My stepdad from saint louis and so is the fifth dimension. Billy davis junior and maryland. Mccoo and So he was in the fifth dimension before they went to l. a. Okay so as before they did. The you know the age of aquarius. Those kinda hits So they went to l. a. and became famous my stepdad stayed in saint louis and got married etc etc wedding. Okay yeah yeah well he. That was his best friend. Kindergarten was billy davis junior or best friends and they were going to read before my stepdad died. There was talk of them doing a gospel. 'cause my stepdad was a piano player. Gospel singer yeah. And so yeah. He and billy davis. We're going to do a gospel album. Say anyways really musical household than i imagined. Oh my goodness yeah i mean. My stepfather was the reason. I play piano because i would watch him. And just be like whoa like. How do you do that. How do you do with that is is now is always mesmerized so yeah very musical household and this was you know they got my mom and my stepfather got married in seventy five okay. So it's this kind of time here with that kind of outfits. The cost the fashion is. Fashion is high in jesse jackson. What are you wearing jesse jackson. He got dressed up the operation breadbasket. Like that was jesse jackson's thing during this documentary that was his like Charitable foundation thing in. There's so many. Like i have a great cannonball adderley album recorded during operation breadbasket Fundraiser thing So i just like the whole the music with the community with the Political thoughts and the energy it just it took me back to that time period of hanging out with with my step dad and his family and It just it was awesome. It was just really cool For me to like. I kind of i dunno. It was very reminiscent very nostalgic to watch it But it's weird because like. There's also a little controversy now about this tac. Yeah i was trying to route my head around it. And i think it was maybe more the way it was presented in the beginning. Like no one has seen this footage in the last fifty years. I'm like what seems like that's not true. There's article we've found Written by a guy. Greg mitchell on his sub stock about a guy who runs like a long island archive who claimed like the you know he he had been taking care of this footage right so i don't know i didn't really dig too deep into this i i don't think it takes away from viewer at all. Know we have a lot of filmmakers on this show. It's like obviously quest. Love is a huge name and korea. This thing juice made in a way that the guy from the long island historical society could not preservation exactly. Well i mean. I've actually seen the nina simone clip on youtube and also the slide and the family stone clip on youtube are from this. They didn't need. They didn't need to like milk. It up that much like no one's like you know it didn't need that much thing is kind of amazing. That was the footage was paid for by. Max paul. yeah. I know right is really speaking of coffee. I know that is really odd. But no they didn't but they did and it's a hook and it probably works. You know probably helps. I mean if you watch. I mean you didn't get all the way through the end but they blow it up with a tie. They tied up in a bow at the end around. This thing that it was f- fifty year mystery so it's it's part of the actual theme of the dock if you will not necessary because the the footage stands for itself right. If you're not moved by the nina simone performance you don't have a heart or yeah because it's i get to see her. You saw. I don't know if we talked about that. I saw nina simone in berkeley hawaii. Like two thousand one. Jesus was that you. She's no non at she's it was at a performance center in berkeley. I paid seventy five bucks. And i remember being like. This is the most expensive ticket i've ever had to show. But it's fucking nina simone. Yeah and it was something else did it was. It's other worldly yes. She didn't come out for a long time and when she came out she was not happy happy and she made sure people knew she was not known for being happy. No and she was like if i hear a cough. I'm out if i hear you unwrapping tandy. If you don't listen. I'm like it was like she had a lot of talk about not being appreciated america Like like she she really lived inherit. Yeah yeah forever. I mean you hear her even in this. You hear a little parisian accent in this concert footage. Yeah i mean no. She was not appreciated At all in america and that's a fucking travesty. Because she is a legend one of a kind of talent but but yeah it was. It was a really fucking awesome show. Yeah the one. I saw. And i'm glad i went. But i was like whoa. What is what is happening happening. This is so wild. Like i didn't know you could just come out and make demands that you know like i'm going to do that next time i do stand up. Yeah yeah yeah. I think i don't laugh. I'm out a u move to paris if you don't get exactly yeah but but it's mortgage is involved in other which is not surprising that is. He's very well known. Yeah yeah oh yeah. He's very well known in. So was alex. Gibney tach to this like ten years ago. I mean they've been trying to make this documentary for for over well over a decade which is silly that it's like never before seen footage except for the people who try to make it into a documentary ten years ago but side note. I just remembered in the credits for the donate king. Ridley scott was mentioned as a producer might did ridley scott. Help make the donut. Can't be the same way. Maybe it's i mean. How many release scott's can there be in film. One of them has to quit. But i originally jay scott like michael j. fox right right like it's like an imdb creditors. I mean if like you're right can make a spark stock. Why can't really ridley scott him. Yeah released released. Got really scott producer. I thought who is tony. Scott i think tony sky. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah that's weird that's cool. Don't even know what i mean. It's hollywood baby. It's like what does that even mean like there was an mail he just wrote. Yes and now he's like an producer likely. Why adam mckay style. You know like you just help get get all this stuff going out. Move it through. That is the really. I really wanna to get some donuts and now watch that doc yemen. I think. I think you know what i feel like. That's good enough for what we've covered. I mean i have more notes here but you know. We'll say that for like a patron by the way you could go to our patriot on about like some 'bio-pics. we watched. I was going to give us money. Talk briefly. I feel like for pride. We didn't do anything. Very pride oriented. I do want to quickly say i watch. I finally watch this. Doc the caucus doc on documentary plus which is a free service that you can watch documentaries on. This is a family came out. In two thousand one or two copycats the notorious group of performers who created a social and sexual revolution. That changed america forever. We had the cockpit house that was our family. I thought we were the most beautiful creative people in the city. This was the dream. We're on a spiritual quest. This was what we were born to do. We were born to change everything. We really did believe there'd be a revolution any at simple mobile. You get the no contract manage those other mobile companies make you think you're in control but you're really not simple mobile different. You can get a powerful nationwide five g. network all without a contract. It's the reliability. You need when you need it with no mystery fees no activation fees and no contract ever simple mobile out with the old in with the simple five g. capable devices required actual availability coverage and speed may vary five g. network not available in all areas. Five upload speeds not yet available But yeah the do you know anything other cats. That's like saying history. Were just like a bunch of drag performers that were also like just like acid freaks and they lived in these like commun- houses in san francisco put on these performances at as some theater. I'm sure you know the theater totally should watch this. It's it'll be a bizarre slice of life of like san francisco. In the late sixties. Early seventies i was curious about the caucus because i might be working on. I'm working on on record with someone that was in the cats as charles figure out like what was gone with the whole thing i heard stories about the copycats but like they went to new york doing this like a drag show thing and like doing like old vaudeville tunes and stuff. It's very strange. There's a couple moments where i'm like You can get away with that now for sure. But i mean that's the thing like they were just like living on the edges of everything like in san francisco being like well like even like you know they. They had there. Were six women in it. There were men that were straight ish in in the group as well there were like there was like it was just like it came out of this whole commune world. There is even like babies born that were like involved. It's a fascinating bit of san francisco history and we'll be good doctor pry actually think i saw it on twitter as like. Hey watch the surpri- pride i'm like. Oh so surely worth watching undocked plus documentary classes where i watched it. Yeah we should. At some point we have never done a city centric theme. It'd be cool to do like three docks that took place in san francisco or docks that take place in l. a. I feel. I was thinking about like just doing all documentaries about the new york times because there's like a bunch. There's like this series on showtime there is oh bit there. Is the guy crossword puzzles that you just do. All there is a. David carr davis. Yeah oh interesting so we could just do. All that's just in your. That is very specific. Yeah that's we can get a. Yeah we can do new york times thing too. But i think it'd be cool to do like a month of like these are about people like crumb like me. I mean right off the top of my head chrome would be awesome because it's insanity but it's gone. Yeah yeah but ganga's blues. Which is i love that documentary so much and that's about that cat lived in. Sf did we talk about crip camp at all. I not talk. You know we should say this for for. Maybe this'll be like a channel save. We'll save that talk. Do this more often. Every time you and i do this we think like oh this will be like a half hour and then we talk for like an hour. I like we just were mentioned. Were mentioning a bush. Like keep the river on your right or whatever. I would love to watch that again. Like i haven't watched that in many years so yeah i haven't seen it then seen that one. Oh yeah novel yeah. We got to check that out. Well would so well. Let's go back. We haven't really done. I'm for quest. love The controversy armenia around summer of soul quest loves summer. So i would recommend it. Yeah i would recommend often. It's a great time piece it's political. It's moving. They have many great performances. If you just love music you're gonna love this dr right out of the anyway. So it's on hulu. I would definitely recommend it. What about the cockpits for you. Yeah i would definitely recommend it. I mean it does feel dated was made. I think the interviews were just like detail end of the nineties about stuff that happened in the seventies. But it's like it's fascinating story there fascinating people. It ties into a lot of other like you know if you like. Entertainment stuff at all or like dra- dragged such a huge phenomenon. Right now anyway. I think like people would be really interested in like these like super bizarre and just fashion wise. It's so crazy. I definitely recommend donut. King yeah these are all. These are all rex today guys. There's nothing that i feel like had to get tossed. Is there an a plus and this lineup. though for you could a a. i'm. I haven't finished her soul but i wanna say that's at least a okay. I'm just just for purely further performances. Right i don't know. I feel about the structure of it so far. Everything else i feel like is a great story could have been you know a little bit tighter in places but yeah i think these are all like great introduction to great real stories and let's talk briefly briefly about upcoming dachshund. You might be excited for. Oh well i did. Share the val kilmer doc on our on our on our facebook. It's going to be on on the. And i want to say nick. Who is our producer. Were you at that payer. Space show where val kilmer showed up pizzas. Unfortunately no that was one of the ones that i was not at but you heard the story like secondhand like me like paris was his all ages space in los angeles echo park basically and val kilmer was working on something with like dan deacon i think at the time i don't know how you ended up being like at pair space but i heard he just ordered a bunch of pieces for everyone. Val kilmer did all ages club. I mean that's all you know. It's club is generous. Okay like like a storefront in echo park. Oh we're office space that had shows but yeah val kilmer documentary very interested to see that i mean. I don't remember the last time. I might have been that movie with robert downey junior which is pretty alright. Kiss kiss bang bang. That's quite a long time ago. But for one of the real genius amazing real genius was top secret. You kidding me around. The time he did. This saint might have been like this and he was married to joanne ueli they met on the set of willow like our like he was the star. He was like the han solo. Of will yeah interesting. Yeah no it's not good. We'll it was not good. That's yeah so yeah. I'm excited to watch To watch val kilmer for people our age like he was a giant star for quite a long time. You know. I mean for crisis. He was batman. So yeah you know like you couldn't get bigger than any did everything comedies dramas action like top. Secret was just on the other day. I'm like oh. I forgot about this. Like this is like valcartier top secret. It's like it was so good and love top secret. It's when you could still make satire satirical and funny. What's the do why am i blanking on visit abrahams. Soccer's the western that. He was abused. Dunkelberg tim stone. Yeah so you could have like kind of gary. Oldman did at some point. I think that's what he missed like when he was doing stuff. Like this saint. Oh you needed to kind of go. Hardly mcconnell hey like right. I'm like your good looking dude. Who can be a character actor and you just needed like kind of like some crazy. Gary oldman type roles and then it just like making him. The lead in a certain point of the movie doesn't do well he doesn't get another chance. If that's the great thing about being character actor always heavy play the bad guy. Play the weirdo. Yeah yeah raising on you. It's not no. That was the only chance i had in. Hollywood was playing kooky neighbor guy. And i'm a lot of people's kooky neighbor right now. Yeah you are. Oh you just moved in there. Goes the neighborhood all right folks. So that is it sparked brother is watch it on. you can't watch it in the theaters. I guess right you can rented online or by purchase online but yeah it seems like it would be fun more fun to watch in the theaters. I would able yeah with anything okay. Donut king you can watch that on. Hulu summer of soul you can watch hulu and the cockpit. You can watch undocumented. You don't need. I think that's just you don't even need to sign up or anything for jetsam ads. I got all my ads in spanish. So i'm in. I'm in la so it makes anywhere in la and that that is it for us. Thank you guys for listening. And i do wanna plug are patriot. One more time patron dot com slash supp. Doc podcast just for a buck a month. You can help us out so much or one hundred bucks a month. Yeah you're spot sweet spot. Yeah we'll we'll we'll we'll do a lot for one hundred bucks. We're a total vibe. So you know so help us out. I think you guys for listening. Thanks for nick for helping us. Long as always. George you are a pleasure in a world treasure those things rhyme and good to see you and great hosting this show with the all the time. We've been doing this for six years. Don't make it sound so bad. I'm not seven. That's coming up as long as that my project. 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"On the banks of the great river high above the alert gorge this is the buzzer podcast. Indie music new releases industry insiders out of the box conversations with guests from june worth from the west coast to the east coast to cross upon and from down under. And now here's shame. Hey hey here on air indie. Welcome and enjoy episode thirty two. I music history. Boil down for march thirtieth in two thousand thirteen. Us produced Pioneer of digital recording though hormone died aged seventy nine at death ramon was one of the most successful producers in history winning fourteen grammy awards at working with stars. Such as ray charles. Bob dylan elton. John and paul mccartney and happy birthday to eric clapton. Mc hammer selene dion norah jones and tracy chapman today coup Almost joins us. Kerr is the southeastern uk based alternative artists. He is a multi instrumentalist and producer songwriter. Singer guitars known for his pure voice intelligent lyrics and powerful stage. Trust welcome core. This is being played with an applause. Track right now. Slow oppose guide in the backgrounds. Really stand for anything else. I i awesome that. They were able to spend some time yet. No your music in you. So i i've read. I've listened three of the tracks of the upcoming ep. That will be due out at some point to me. It's like a concept album are there's like pulsipher concept album in it and the the if is going to be cooled bone voyeur which is your little exclusive. There have not confirmed that yet. But i'm going with that name is it. Sounds a lot like bone voyage. So i love a little bit wordplay at means like good. Good what could watch in x. It love the time. I feel like i'm just solve watching the world happening so no in it down. Yeah i saw that on one of the tracks just sent me a pre shell and i thought was cool name. So how did you get to this point in music like what started. You're interested in music in particular golf of the very different points. Well got me. Swear i am now is a good looks. I think all of us like go into music for Comedy songs kind of ironically. Like of of a tenacious. Day as stephen lynch kevin buddy wolfson just this the way. Tom morello stuff Just like the novelty songs. insularity Then to light musical theatre in Performing stuff when the music is secondary school. They gave me the option to take instrument and singing was Full suffer Allan guitar becomes nation day. But unfortunately i discovered punk so of ruins. Mommy's tastes Was that was when i was fourteen. Two thousand nine had been in that space musically. Ever since i went through quite a few transitions Going go into punk like the remains in the turns and stuff and then i discovered my dad's susan. The benches note life album as i look. Okay this is be like punk mice as well. Listen to this. I was just so different. I had night shift just like how the brady jarring in like created a moves. How how did this happen. Where where did this all come from. And then i found the cure and joy division and all the stuff out to the so i came. He should be ready ready. Thought that's great. What can i do this stuff for the was in debt. Brian jonestown massacre. Yeah yeah so you had a pug ban in university when you were achieving your masters degree music right of your rover. Shensi talk about is true circles right so circles yet. I just wanted to get back together. I had to buy another band at the time called bel addiction which is way better name and becca a few friends together. Full occa- way ridicule where music students. Let's let's stop bands and we went free quite a few dramas and no one was really put in any effort into sites me as i was getting a slice geico The payment in the site. Why might do in this. I could. I could just carry on by myself and and get all the money from basically. That's why about reassume. Below to people. And i got so sick of punk to be honest. It's the same. It's the same call. It's the same feelings going into every time said a for just go off to my thing joy. Something new to us was the I prefer either blend of two different styles of music rather than straight and good for a night out scott baio but when you were that band didn't you Work with a progressive gothic rock band. Sweet armagard and gods yeah gift dick and basic gifts of gins play with them. The big Quite big bent. But i was that was still just offering my connections rather than them actually. Lucky my music. Yeah wilkinson faithful a think so when you went solo talk about that experience as its release you release creativity or Everything yet. I typing up things a little bit more than anything. I've ever really need from the people for them to play the colts while we were life out. Be right in the music in the meantime anyway because there are other people for okay. Right your pa. Oh tell you what's due here. Because you're you're a german player. You know it's an surely some dates and some just had so it's irate fruit and when i got logic myself and i could just stop playing the piano. Parson programming the german and took some time to actually figure out what codes actually one sees. Where things really mounts. What i can do with music qui- in history of violence like that songs whole story in just the music itself absolutely. It's an amazing. I was listening listening churches this morning. You're getting streams on me. Because i keep listening all your research but Yeah is is incredible and We're going to be thought. It'd be i listen to on. It's amazing the amount of detail you go to in building a song i. It's the same or if you go. A master's degree might as well put use. Definitely did we're talk about that when we talk about. He doesn't deserve you. I i'm blown away by. I'm blown away. It's still trail the. I have to ride the laughing. Name eve also written a soundtrack for an award winning indie movie. Those that was less of a soundtrack to me more me banging a load of instruments and saying what sound second create from it. I was in france on a a unique trip and gig at a pub. Just 'cause i was. I went out for the night a found in a statistic into this student that was out a stand by how he's he's film. Directors like s co. I've always wanted to do harm. Soundtracks news michael. I have a horrid made me let me send it to you see what you can do. Things could performa watched it for how now about some guy having a brain snap like a eraserheads style. Yeah i just played around with as much golden stuff. As a kids and musical to rewrite everything musical twos ago still use all the structures. The era music was indeed orient. Or something like that i why. Why does this sound. Good as a try to do like danny alvin stuffing with no make make it a bit more john cage. Yeah it's so is trying to create a cups on you. I mean imitations are probably one of the most important things you can have a music. If you restrict yourself to just being in court in a song you you'll find lots of different things that you can do that being a whereas if you've got old if the courts the new in a paradox the choice of what to i put over this. We're gonna jump ahead to day second track and just talk about it. He doesn't deserve you. You tune the guitar using proceed was unusual guitar tuning in tuning up semi joan each tomato qatar jangling. Why jim june the actual guitar in what you mean the so of messing around the i did. Yeah yeah i in a lot of flack for that. Because i've been booked for a gig april roughing. That's ready hopeful but happens. I decided to get a little band together to just have more musicians playing. This is just me playing by myself on his pen. Ready to give musicians. Who want the chance to pull so full of timofey from let them play my music and the think he the guitar cycle in hates the tune. In 'cause it's just like one step off it's one semi tone up and the high chain down to a c. Shot so scott like a unisom ring with the string but the tracks also sped up by five bpm from when i recorded it. So it's a couple of sense off from a natural chaining to record the song or two regarded as you plan yet. So he he come practice along with at home because it all sounds wrong and he can't practice to anyway because he hates the chain in any call and figure out what the hell is meant to be playing of showing them feet. We've got to look at it down getting it together. But we've gone for a few times and which just so a waiting for the studio type against the today for this just to play in the the gig april. The song sad recorded in air in. I'm kinda dumb with alcohol. More songs to stoke in on with so talk. Talk about who. You meyer david. Bowie placebo. The cure at you also mentioned something. When meatloaf's in ohio a deluge of it me. Life was probably the first musicians already into Michael jackson was safest smith criminal And then meatloaf. I just loved how so epoch. He made his music like it was not a simple single pop song. Is you with them. You you get the full experience like say a rock up pro on every single track eating care five six minutes gone. No i agree with you. Likes of a song. Have you ever seen him a concert. I've watched videos on youtube and stuff like that but I saw i saw him in concert. Lou show he's saying he's insane and now the faa seeing him alive. Think about see the energy on youtube videos. Eddie put him in a live shell It was a great night. I forget who is headlined for. It could have been a big green. But i'm probably wrong. I what i've been. Somebody brought concert statements about selling. It's now because i remember on facebook. I said oh yeah i went to meet. They fronted for queen and my girlfriend who went to the concert through said. You're wrong. I forget i forget who she told me it was. There was some other ban incredible. Show i always say if you can remember night. you didn't enjoy enough anyway. Let should be a quote. I used to publish that man. I'll to come ashore at some point. So tell me about the transfer going to hear next a history of violent great. So this is this is another part of the ep. The arrived at university. He doesn't you a history of They go they go into each of a history of violence was the fed trachoni and he doesn't deserve he was the full of a star wars. The and an history findings so of deals with the relationship of this completely terrible dysfunctional couple. Light that drug addicts constantly fighting and bickering. Just been horrible to each other. But they're still that semblance of love sto- in them they don't really know anything else so it's not really on other people to tell that couple of weather there in lebanon because you can still be really violent and love someone at the same time. I'm not like consigning spouse who abuse. It's a terrible thing like this gonna help like if you experience it. Get help line or something like that. This is completely fictional is just like you know the the parents in south park can parents constantly fighting in. They're always angry. H of a together for reason like they still love each other and wants to be with each other. It's whole so contrast in dynamic of violence in the relationship and it's both sides. Well if you take the via contacts out about Basically creative craig store of a dysfunctional relationship regardless whether it is violence in there because a lot of people are in dysfunctional relationships forever. I so i i. You couldn't Anybody listen to song can relate to it. Relate to it or violence comes in many forms. Yeah right now so Well i think people get a lot at that and your artistic brandishing of that horrible situation is well thought. Show if to relate to it though. Please seek help. These are fictional characters. You know men surly notice on ear site. I do notice on your website. You are very clear about that. And you also put the helplines for domestic abuse. Sister line there can. It's okay yeah. I no yeah definitely so next. Stop working on a history of violence released february of this year. A long iphone grow I a on me. June So how is the track. Baby receive a on radio or locally germany by email show. I forgot yours. I forgot i. You know what. I clued out. I forgot your sense of humor. That was a good one you so it has received radio play. Yeah everyone sends it to seems to have likes it. So if they didn't they haven't told me at Except one person who is very very honest with me and at a couple reviews comeback in people. Germany like in the so of hypnotic fame. That's going on for throughout the song and appreciate walsum zoom. They quite monotonous. If you're not ready to sit down and listen to it you probably not current tune enjoy it. Which is it's a heavy heavy topic is a happy talks. Got one of the public colleges cents a very adult contemporary and take serious listening to be enjoyed and i would agree with It sounds a little bit stuck up. That i i like ads on contemporary music. Like was that sting stone. The desert song. The one about adam and eve trophy for the desert that scott a lot of South asian infants Gonna bruce some desert rose by s. Only have to listen to radio appreciates it well. Those are the songs that end up becoming classes car. Yeah If i've come university professor appropriate teach my songs in the clock. Free publicists wasn't master's degree. You're not far off teaching music at university. yeah i feel about taking on onto phd. Thank covid happens and of so took the time to realize a continuous knowing like there's a lot of red tape and boundaries that i think stops aloft and get into the answers that they actually have like though sit there and go wash his music and they weren't accents on i i say music is designated sound but i say will what about birds while this. They're singing in my yeah. They've designated making those sounds but tolkien. His talking can be music as well if you not dedicate it to amis costs then. You're just talking if you're doing it. Rhythmically then dedicates. But they just want to say around and go but what his music. Yeah currently so. The holly ep is a depiction of a fictional couple stewarton carol. I'm best just the from the state he doesn't deserve you A history of violence. And i think Item mind which is the next next single to come out rural tough the same epa. About dysfunctional couple. I i didn't release the. Ap 'cause the songs went well mixed in there was some besides just needs to change al and then my whole thing of how. I was going to release music because i was just gonna dump the pay and then start doing more pace but now during the host single time thing. I've just so release the songs and then put him into a compilation album. According the at the end one of the songs island that we've already spoke about. We're going to hear it up soon as he doesn't deserve you isn't that a continuation of the sectional relationship. Yes so it's the funnel power. The story and spoiler student. Carol just use those names while awakes. Kenny's parents in south park. Like the i've make it very non gender specific because it's like twenty twenty one minute you you put that on your website. Yeah on the website. I do light to ri- about how i write songs. Just because i. I find that stuff interesting. I spent half my life in some facts. I would agree with you today. The my favorite album. I have a collection grows every day. but my favorite albums are the artists like For example to There is inside a covers in their talk about the songs and it was like a whole other experience on top of the music. So i like i put you create like a personal experience when you listen to it and then you find the experience is to to the press one. Well i i honestly i find what you do. giving a a background of what what you think was also saying that everybody can put their own insurance to it of gis give a bit more background. It really makes it a personal experience for the listener thinking about ten as you get a videos instead. 'cause like no one wants to sit around and read a lot now we're like instant content but yeah the story in. He doesn't deserve a steering carol. So the they finish they find. Carol ends it and finds someone else and stood just kind khan except to and this was a been ironically obsessed with monomania for quite a while which is a thing that runs in a lot of edgar allan poe stories like Benny says the tif bank is obsessed with old the crooked eye in the tells how i just love the idea soon becomes completely fixate on something they can't think about anything else. So the stewart he's fixated on burke relationship relationship ends in an. He's just not ready to give up. He wants to like bury himself with her underground slight. But like the original wins in a hunchback of not dumb idea by these flashes of. I wanna kill the sky with her and then so breaks out. The cloud and goes will yet. I'm no guarantee of really want to come here and picks it quite well. It comes from a real word comes from your own. Personal breakout doesn't did i say that Yeah yeah you did say that. You cited it. Goes us fair people. I it was. It was a break-up everyone goes for break-up for now. And then you get all these weird ideas you have a little bit for mental breakdown ish and you find again in you realize you are free from figuring it well. It was no sadly and ons to share. Your story makes is great thing Transparency transparency is where. It's at today. And i think the the stories over there i say this to and you feel like it's real as co citizen. Yo probably gonna go for it to some point. I've already been through several times for already. Right you go. Oh yeah yeah. I think it's a good times. Would be tons was the turns. I always believed that. I always believed that the opportunity to try anyway. Just okay core. We're gonna listen to a he doesn't deserve you. Hundred thousand nine stands in the way nice guy. Cheer doesn't ed's Either exclude show. Dan de settling works another outstanding And this city must stay at least swam of. Didn't i wasn't expecting to pop quiz. Jan january fest. I think this on january first. Those the first friday. I could find suitable for cash. Harney every antea jan so the You released heat. Assume he doesn't deserve you in january and the falls out with a history of violence in february yet which is completely the wrong way round from how the story at the sun goes Avin guard way of introducing assure. Mir's that not just pistols own. Now you're not another star wars junkie like a lova our whole family or like the pre coast am i. I've read the prequels. I thought judge paint section a character. I hate it how they relegate is row. I didn't like the last couple. The sequels were awful. The secrets are I don't know the studio but it was produced by a another studio last two and they just didn't pick up story properly Think disney's what can It right now with stuff. Fly the mandalorian the like they. The some things said don't work with health stories Basically can be like a spit timeline. As of if ezra didn't save a soaker in the kleinwort's rebels. It would get the seat koos which would be the harper feature which can films at if he does safer than we get the mandalorian which way better Not happens a lot with sequels. I wasn't impressed with a press. So tell me about. I can't sleep. That's your next track. I haven't heard yet. I i hear it. I got it just before the show looking forward to hearing it. So you're on. I am depending on you to give me some feedback on that song. Burke shave wrote muscle stoves fantasy. You're playing songs back. Let's okay so it can't see is just i. I've never really found it easy. Satelite save even as a kid out. Be wait till light. Full five o'clock in the morning. I'd be lying that doing things round my head's Be ready and couldn't find a way to get to seek a Bacall with like trying to read magazines distracting line for a bit. And and i think it's a from everyone. Everyone says they constantly Cases it's like they stone their finds and will just don't lie down and tried to get but like a be laying there for hours in the dog just trying to get safe. Yeah i get up and create really or this. This is when i was a kid by okay. Mom makes you stay in the room. Yeah yeah i get that grownup now. Sure physically yeah chest hair and everything is great. Oh causes yeah sunday with my partner at the checkout on the they called her that in coke me Yeah by the seventeen year old. She's not just just make. I know that. I know that kirk probably most stranded between one six in the morning so they are the best ones. Yeah everything's choir in going to get interrupted by text from someone. Oh someone coming into your tights come told here you can just be less. Learn enjoy the peace and make a shit load of noise. I the house is great. Most of mine's writing. But you don't find that you are creative. That's probably why you couldn't sleep as a child is maybe you know just. I just had a lot of energy. I was as effective as you run to. That might be a set of energy. So a pent-up emmy. What did you all on sprouted up and away so yes it is. I've put it back on now. They found okay. Okay so i can't sleep is about your childhood experience or just the experience of insomnia and having sprout everyone's experience with translate In my case. I don't like Sounds cliche a but i think everyone has difficulty sleeping every now and then you will post on facebook of and oh my brain let me save you get get depressed. We get on with your. This is a song that you let people are not lying ready and getting soapy. So i won't for to hearing it so next up. I can't sleep is one de uh ooh Another outstanding song. That i i look forward to haul ep juno. What the next track going to be. It's gonna be a four track ep. Right news going to be about five or six really thought it would be far at the songs been written yet. The two to the songs written one. I received the most full yesterday but would beef up the trump's they have one sent off to be mixed last excited. You almost do myself when the i just a tape right. And i guess and once you're the studios opened up again you're going to get together and pull it all together No i just get the mix sent off. I've got home studio. So i i just recalled effing alka. If he didn't like my last sentence you'll probably like the next one. And if you if you did like melissa's you probably went like the next one. It's very happy this is my my wild mood swings. A section of help is this cooled. Macguffin baby is just about being like one to be smothered by someone who doesn't love as much as she loves them but there's a lot of imagery in it but it's happy as like radi happy alka and the next one. I don't mind which is just a still corners off 'cause love still corners. What is that still coloniser. A dream pop band. Okay okay if if you get a chance. Listen to the trip. It's amazing i well. I well to be honest with you. I haven't heard of the band yet. The still kinda small. Unless like you're you're in. The i mean they get millions of views on youtube. Show a same people. Just re- clicking. It's just so good. And where are they located the uk america somewhere but they come to the come into the u k. I almost bowl tickets from just before coke. It's conquest didn't now. I'm definitely gonna look about essentially the message after the show love champ. Because i love your music are gonna love. There's spy you'll only like my music. After that. set me up for disappointment. That's bad so. I want to ask this question but again anyways i wrote you win you win solo performing because any felt that there was a great release that ban. So do you like to collaborate earn. Do you have any collaborations that you wanna do or is this something. You're not willing to get involved with us. You know i do. I actually quite enjoy Enjoyed it enjoyed. They collaborating written recently. And i've actually gone to a completely on nove track. I'm doing with Tomorrow habit from the dead blood cells way bigger full of in the me with with the assault of some kind of like my bloody valentine codes. wants tonight which is still weighing on the basis to finish his pulse and a with people still The ferry new york at christmas satellite Pincer is just. I don't know if i'm prepared to be in. A band of people won't gonna do that. Pause i don't wanna be the only one doing the work because then i can just do stuff for me. It sounds really selfish like you go look out for yourself. I help people where can laco mine. Radio show where play Music every wednesday by people alike. But if it's my music career. I to be in control of fat with people who can control it with me. Not just so do nothing. Yeah i get that you know. And if you're with the ban where you have to constantly drag the towel and keaton la all. That energy sucks creative geography. Yeah it's either group projects at school. Where one person was doing the works. Yeah just that's not what i want to be of the group that works together. Everyone sends an email. Was everyone's doing pots. Yeah just. I think that's too much to ask. I get that but there's always like that. I remember in high school. I like working my off. the group. We get ninety seven. But i did most of the work. I e exactly how. I feel this a nevada and sometimes i was the one that delayed it was another one that was english. It was another project. I wasn't interested in. It's hard when you get a group together to everybody. contribute equally. But when it does happen is magic especially when it comes to use. They're very nice evans. Quite impressive to get by yourself as one great was so vote on you just kinda prove that wealth is getting way too easy nowadays. I agree sometimes. So where would you prefer bands to hook up with you. I mean i know. Why should i guess reframing skating opportunity getting ready to change the question okay. I'm gonna say the question again okay. What social channel do you hang out. I instagram twitter. Facebook right right. You mean okay. Cool so the best way to ever reach me. See what is facebook. 'cause i'm a terrible person and i still use facebook facebook but i'm on pretty much everything you can spotify. Find me on twitter instagram. Even take talk which. I also hate myself. Full your checkbook finding a mighty really posting the promos funny make actual videos. Yeah this i. I went on it for a bit. Nice i it didn't speak jamaican putting out music. Yeah i could be on. Tiktok released a bit video clip. Why not i not convinced. 'cause the found out a very stuff is on this like good enough that him much too. But if you wanna see anything in the best place radius facebook anything can never be over to go on a constand social media call and i offer a podcast on spotify called in triple i okay so tell us I forgot. I forgot to mention that. That's great so you have a podcast. At what is about is just is it just started by the stock. I was meant to geic paid too and she quit for. I was like that's amazing. Cool at practice. Two hours worth of me yet. Great covid Being talked about the people staying with with like at you not going to be giving this If you get covid to the house it's going to be bad already upset this time. I'm actually pretty glad they didn't realize how bad it was gonna be an Just he got me on facebook and he found. Allow the stuff that was saying. Quite funny. Hearst the right here show No return it. Sounds like a low of effort and he kept asking me eventually he caught me was juncos like going in snow every every tuesday. Eight to ten pm gmt. I interview a couple of bands. Get drunk while i'm doing. It talks about conspiracy theories play some some of my favorite music. That final spot i Save as a post on spotify awesome. I'm going to be sure to follow it. I will not know that. I believe here. Feel sorry now. I look forward to hearing a listing. I love so. I'll be laughing. You'll hear me at ground It's mostly amusing for myself as cool very informal. Because we'll love that you're drawn call. The podcast will give you of leeway right. I make no no lies about that. I can say well. It's my tuesday night reason to drink like a bottle of wine. Each episode is it just helps it. Just it's nice. You know just to kick back relax place music to some strangers while it's eight o'clock your time. So why not perfectly acceptable. I've have of evolved wife. i'm from essex. 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Guest: Steve Matthes (?!?)

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

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Guest: Steve Matthes (?!?)

"Appropriate next network production. Welcome to the fly racing. Steve Map is show presented by maxis tires and Alpine stars protects on racer x online dot COM dot com but your continued support of our sponsors. The answer past one thousand podcast delivered with over seven million downloads clicked at Amazon banner on pullbacks. Help us out and donate the patriotic suits you and as always richer modal lifestyle by working with the sponsors who support us the original Modo podcasts featuring legends ends of the past stars of today season previews and race reviews introspection opinion backs and laughs. Here's your host Steve. Welcome to fly racing racer x podcast. I'm Steve Mathis. Thanks for listening to appreciate it. Thank you the folks fly racing for making this podcast happened from the five boot to the new evil gear to the formula helmet. Fly Racing's got you covered. It had to tell they got a new goggle as well that came out last year. 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I went to the factory factory in Italy all those years ago and it was great man. absolutely really cool to see that. So thanks Alpine stars and Max's tires. Aj Kenzo using MACs to qualify for supercross costs. Maine's this past year. The tire was developed by Jeremy McGrath. He's using Max's now. Whenever he rides his cat? Five hundred or two fifty or k x four fifty fifty whatever it is emceed helped develop them access tires and great mountain bike tires as well. They're minion line. A mountain bike tires. Work Fantastic's thanks to the folks at maxis Alpine stars. And of course I fly race and for making this happen. We are trying something new with this. PODCAST it's the off season. You're going to turn the tables a little bit here and I'm going to be the subject of the podcast which is weird but we'll we'll make it work somehow With me to to get some questions answered and maybe to help you the people in a little bit more about me. Although I think I've talked about everything possibly possibly talk about He works to fly. WPA It's Chris Cooksey what's up because he what up. Yes yeah so. I figured I'd come in here and what's your what's going on here. What's your agenda? What are we doing if you let me talk? Oh go ahead. I'm the host here so just chill. Let me answer questions so oh I listen to the show all the time big time fan just like a lot of the guys I drive around all the WPA straps. We all listened to show you hear all these jokes. There's these pieces there's he's titles titles. There's this mechanic but there's not like a set timeline on on who Steve Mathis is. There's pieces all over and we can kind of put it together but not really and it's grown grown in your audience has grown so much I figure I come in here and I and and see if I can take the king of all moto media and you have grown you might not be the most powerful man in in the industry. But you're definitely the most influential I don't know about that but no absolutely I as I see it I I work in the industry I go around and I know everybody listens this your stuff and whether you know just because you're not signing checks or working at Feld or very high like that trust those people cement shoes on me tomorrow do a lot of people when coops talks. I get nervous so I hear what you did now. I was telling you when you ran this idea behind me brought about by me. I said Hey I did one of these but it was a long time ago and it was pretty. It was real good at covered a lot of your stuff but it's been a while and the six years old. Yeah and I have different questions and I hope you're not pissed at some of the stuff I want to ask but I wanNA know more. Don't want to talk about your brother and your dad and how does what well first off. What about Debbie? She's in their APPs by the way. I Love Debbie. I sat with her at the supercross and like I had to pay for. That ticket was awesome. She's she's wondering and actually want to go golfing with her but she don't ever ever hit me up to police officers I hate it. I will okay so as so this is this is the Steve Matters interview on the map to show on racer x saw if he would let Taco. I'm just kidding all right so yeah people wanNA know so yeah. Hopefully they like this and you know we'll see where we're going but let's try. What have we got a start okay? I'm going to start with youth. So what what. What was your first bike? How did you get in what made what made Steve Mathis? I WANNA ready dirt bike. I didn't I didn't want to ride their bike. At first my brother did my brothers three years older than I am and he. My Dad raced. Sorry my dad wrote a off road bike or something and he wrote a street bike and my brother grew up wanting a dirt bike. Really bad and at some one point my brother got a dirt bike and they were out riding. I don't think they were racing yet. I don't think he was racing before me. But maybe maybe he was but and then it came time for me year we talking. Oh what do you remember. What his bike was I remember? His bike was my first bike. Yeah well my about. My first bike was his hand me down. So it'd been an Indian trail bike Indian automatic. I think they're automatic. I think there were like three three speed so Indian and those that came from my brother that was my very first bike and I quickly moved onto an rn fifty from there. This is the early eighties. There's this is eighty one eighty two. I had one of the three my second right but I I remember I wanted to be an ex. I want to be fields so IBM xt. I rode for a little while for a little bit. I remember I don't think I really liked it. I specifically remember getting on that Indian one of the first times going wide open open with into a tree. That's like a family or people will be like I remember that so I if I remember correctly when when you hit the shift around those you shifted down to go up so we hit a doc mail faster right right. Maybe I don't remember but I hit a tree cried. Didn't want to ride their bikes and barely road for maybe a year or two race. BMX my mom took me maxing they were held in these little hockey arenas on cement with wooden jumps and we had some dirt tracks to and stuff and all that and that's why BMX for awhile and then at some point my brother and my dad were off over here racing and then at some point I decided I wanted to buy Grad so in Canada. How many months out of the year did you actually get to ride? And so they're off racing and I think it would be Mexican. Yes it for summer. anyways we the indoor stuff that had to be in the winter and then so they're right. They're riding their bikes during the summer. Then what were you doing the summer. Yeah I don't know maybe I was maybe it was. I feel like the Mexican summer now. I don't know I don't know who knows but I I remember like not really getting the bug to ride dirt bikes as much as my brother. My brother was always like hey I want to do it. I you know my dad was taking them places and I was like on the dirt bike so it wasn't all in. I like it be a Mexican but then at some point you know obviously yeah so at what point do you become a dirt bike rider. What age this is all around? Seven eight nine years old remember. Do you remember your first race No not really. No no no idea what's first race. You remember a good question probably so yes. E- I think I went from eighty to arm fifty to eighty two arm aurum eighty and that's that photo on that desk there. You can see behind those hats. That's me on eighty to eighty and I think that's eighty three. So I'm I'm nine years old eight or nine years old and that photo and and that's so that's That's one of my first race. So that's that bike not about my first race quote unquote. What's the first memory that you ask? I racing is that eighty two arm eighty Eighty class candidates called schoolboy. Just just go with yeah so schoolboy schoolboy A. N. B. So I was schoolboy beat beginner you know and then a was the answer and my brother wasn't a so your brother's Kinda the star. Now is your dad. Ah How how does your dad he all into it. Like your your brothers star. You're just happened to be there. How Yeah Dad was gnarly? We'll probably get more as as we go along this story. We'll talk more about my dad. But he was gnarly at this point though like arm eighty days and my brother days not really just as a family going on our three rail trailer it to the racist I definitely remember. I definitely remember that was eighty three. I got an eighty four wisey eighty I think in eighty five so the eighty four. That had the water cooler handlebars out. When I was on the one side I went to the sign? Maybe maybe and I remember I had Garni Rene Nylon boots. He's Big Boot Nylon. Yeah so add pair Garner's and they were so hammered on the inside by kickstarter and I remember being stuck in the mud race on the side of a hill and I couldn't start my bike and my foot would slip off and the kickstarter would hit my foot and I was crying and my dad was thirty feet away and he's like start the bike like I'm not coming to get you and I remember being like Oh my God is hurt so bad my foot her so bad add between the like one or two races on the arm eighty and that eighty four race. That's that's my earliest memories of racing. So Ah had it been up to you right then you probably would have just bailed out. BMX your brother. If your brother wasn't dragging you and keeping you the races that no no I think I was into it. I was into it. Yeah I I mean he was he was good. My brother was pretty good. He got he was three years older than I am. So I'm ten. He's thirteen fourteen. I'm a ten or eleven and he's running top. I five in like the eighty expert class top three or whatever like he's pretty good so I think all brothers you're like Oh look at him. So at what point do you start becoming coming pretty good take it serious. Eighty eighty seven. I get a CR eighty in eighty seven so I was current now for the first time I think in my life those were good too. Yeah those were good and those two yeah eighty seven Sierra and then I remember the whole starting line was full of Honda's yeah like all Honda and if you had anything else back then you were at disadvantage cowboys. Were okay to Yamaha's garbage yamahas garbage. So it was all hondas eighty-seven I started being like. Hey and I got all New Year that year. Now's fucking looking like David Bailey. And I was like I'm I'm sweet. Sweet my bike sweet. Now I started now. I I remember thinking like Hey. I'm GonNa go for the championship in the class that year and I got third or fourth in eighty seven as a twelve year-old against probably your older kids. Wow Yeah but there was one kid who was my age. You beat me so he would end up being my like my rival guy but but yeah I remember thinking like an eighty seven I was like hey like reading the motorcars actually magazines and being like i WanNa do this. Now he was intermediate he was be rider rider. I think by then so. He was kind of progressing a little bit. He won he won the novice. Everybody has to go through novice and Canada like no matter. How good you are you have to go eighty two novice to intermediate to pro? You can't skip it. Which is funny? 'cause I tell people like four championships in Manitoba all the time two of them are novice class. What does matter you just? Everyone had to go there. Eighty expert and United States eighty expert to one twenty five hundred minute. You all the way back to. Yeah you just you just never jumped. Nobody could jump. The Intermediate Canadians gave you gave you at least a couple years on the big bikes until you go pro because you could go eighty expert one year of novice one year of intermediate pro. You know what I mean. That's actually probably really so you had two years of corn immature stuff to do but he was. My brother had won the novice class in Sioux fifty to fifty class novice so he'd gotten a title and the Navy Sixty moved up to intermediate ninety seven. He he was intermediate still I think. Eighty seven years so I was eighty expert in eighty seven. Okay going for. Did you win daily expert class. No everyone that one no no eighty-eight which Takao he's got a Kawasaki Support Ride from Canada. which meant that? The dealership got the ability to give one one rider. Half off a bike from Kawasaki. I think it was so they pick me so in eighty eight. I had to eighties practice race bike back and then and then I went after the expert championship. And that's the one I lost by two points. Heartbreaking heartbreaking fifth title Co so now in in the United States when we when you've got a team green you had to go to a certain amount of amateur nationals. Were you required to do that. No no we we have the one. We have the Canadian Lorette back then. The Canadian at Eighty Loretta Lynn's was one one rice a year. That was over weekend and it was at different tracks all every year. So in eighty seven it was in Manitoba. Oh my home province and I got like eleventh and my Buddy Jason Actually won the expert the eighty class at your so. I didn't know him but in eighty seven he won the expert class. I got eleven or twelve and then ten years later we'd be in a box together driving driving the whole circuit. You know what I mean like that. That's pretty funny. That's really eight. They they were in BC on the west coast on the island and Got Danielle van was remembered him. Daniel Daniel Daniels Danny Alvin showed up at like seventeen cowboys line and worked all the Canadians like he just worked them. And it's funny again. I met Danielle van when I became a pro mechanic and became friends with them. And I just talk to Danny Elvin a year ago so still you know anyways good guy so he shows up and he wins. It was a three motive format like Loretta and I went. Seven seven seven seven for several. which which kind of I should at least got fifth overall with seventy seven seven off right but anyway so so then? That was the Canadian so is number seven in Canada on eighties. The next year it was in a SANTRAC and I got seventy overall eighties. This is eighty nine. I was John a giant by then. I was huge some of those videos. If people want to watch that you video of me on eighty in Saskatchewan ever seen it I can't remember. I'm wasting Zimbardo Morgan and I'm six. I'm this big anyway. So that leads me my next question when you were on those eighties. You said for net Blair Morgan who are some of the other guys guys. That went on to actually have really good professional career. Nobody would nobody would remember. Nobody where Morgan Jason `Fernet. That's it was pretty much. Yeah Elvin he was. She did some all talk. Radio his brother passed away and then he just quit. Oh he only raced Alvin whole shot his first ever pro national. She'll YEP YEP but anyway Yeah nobody nobody that you would have heard of. But by eighty-eight I have two eighty S. approximate race bike. My brother other as quick by now. So he's got to be mid high school he quits him and my dad have a huge blowout out because my dad and to be fair to my dad who is not always gonNA come off looking great on this podcast put invested quite a bit into my brother like they bought when he my brother turned pro. They bought three hundred five. Seventy five hundred Yamaha's four ninety and my brother was going and he just girls partying and no desire. He got think he got a superjet Yamaha. superjet stand up Jet Ski. I remember this and I think he just wanted to Jetski morning right at Monterey so anyways so my brothers results were going down the toilet and my dad and him are fighting all the time because my dad I mean invested a lot into so was your was your dad. Did you guys have because I know we had the dream of. Hey we're GONNA be a factor mechanic and at that time almost all the factory. Riders brought their dad as a mechanic. Yeah you guys kind of have that dream. I don't know about dream of my dad wrenching for me but for sure like we were history though you think yeah yeah oh for sure. Yeah which is a Canadian guy. As much as money can be available in Canada back then like you know what I mean so yeah so I mean I was pretty pretty good as a local writer in Manitoba. You know but I mean as far as getting as far as going places. Yeah so I went to one hundred five in eighty nine eighty nine hundred like like half of the eighty s and then I was so big dude. I was blown up foot pegs. Blown out of shock reservoir. I blew it a shock. Reservoir from landing wow somebody somebody who's like okay. Screw it now is one twenty five rider again but I started novice. Of course 'cause we all we all did well sometime in eighty minute maid for fast novice this class I know it was just the AD experts from the year before it was. Yeah it was no big deal and eventually at some point the Manitoba seen a novice and a novice. Be so that you really a beginner. You weren't you right. Eighty reform guy and you want five novice be you know what I mean. I think they're like saying. Hey this is. That's what I'm saying. That's not fair. Eighty experts go. Yeah Yeah exactly. So we were all many riders right and in eighty late eighty eight. I got an eighty six K X on twenty five to start passing an eighty nine to eighty s kept them then get eighty nine because they morning different and then Ah. We gave up those half of the year and I got a got eighty nine five which was a piece of garbage. Yeah the one side radio when everyone else circuit my dad's ended up the pro circuit cylinder-head pipe sounds or see cover. Jersey was like a package deal. Oh yeah the whole thing put it on and I was like I remember we wrote I wrote it was like the beep soundtrack and I was like Dad. Doesn't feel any different like this is still slow. My Buddy had an eighty nine Honda right there right and my buddy I needed Honda and I wrote and I'm like yeah. This way faster that might stock out the prosperity Kawasaki so bad bike anyway but supported by Kawasaki. Again I got it. The same deal was like half off off. Retail was the deal but so yeah eighty nine so in eighty nine year brothers pretty much out of the he's done yeah he's a jogging. Your Your Dad's looking at you. And does he think you're going to go there because you think you're going to be John's bashing Wa. What's what's easy on that Sebastian? Why wasn't my age? It's like we're saying we were contemporaries. Sorry Ross Peterson okay. So Ross appears to be the next. I mean I'm training and I'm training during the week like I'm I'm writing an exercise bicycle and I'm running and I'm riding after school. You know what I mean like. Yeah like I'm I'm trying to trying to be it. Is he investing. I don't know how much money you guys had grown up. Yeah I know a lot of the many parents invest. We're probably shouldn't be doing that too. He made good money. He was an auto mechanic and he had a he had a side. I business as auto mechanics and he worked for garage to so one thing about my dad man. He worked balls off. He was really really hard worker so I don't think we were ever above middle class OSC growing up and in my dad's dumped a ton of money into racing and he was gnarly like we had like a pro circuit staff. And whatever we need to do all of that so your relationship with him where did it do you still see him. What's going on with that? How how does that? How did it did your relationship with him? Developed through the years from there to where I don't hear you talk about. I'm not much because I don't see him. I haven't I haven't talked to him well. I haven't seen for twenty nineteen. We haven't seen him for five years. I texted with him three or four times in the five years. And that's about it. We just we just he got he at some point like ninety. Well Yeah so nine hundred ninety I get three Honda's novice some writing all three classes like Ouaga Waza as a sixteen year old. That's crazy and you had sponsorship as a Honda had a Honda ride. Basically you ever have you ever seen that. Come with being from Canada. So what they did in Canada was they said. Hey we're going to give one of those Colorado bikes to to somebody. Yeah so they gave me one twenty five. Wow Yeah and we bought a fifty five hundred and I was writing all three novice classes classes and then I had the five hundred but I yeah there was A to. The class was to fifty five hundred combined so I can ride all three B. Class. I wrote all three o'clock and then pro. I wrote all three. And then we haunt us from there on. I had hondas until through nineteen nineteen ninety-one ninety-two all Hondas. And then my mom and dad got divorced around ninety two ninety three now. I assume you're racing. Almost every weekend puts a lot of pressure on the relationship to that. Have any effect on Debbie and your Dad's relationship. Yeah Yeah Yeah because my dad. I mean he was yelling and screaming. If you didn't get results right. He was just gnarly so my mom was always trying to be like. Hey you got to ease up on in the kids and my brother barely speaking at this point at all and but I'm like I'm the type of Guy I saw this with Carmichael on I'm in no way. Am I compare myself to Carmichael. But I saw this. When he went to Carmichael back in the day ricky was motivated? And maybe I'm wrong but I think people around a lot has backed me up on this. If you yell that Ricky or got mad at him which genie did a lot he was. He worked harder to to shut her up to show her right absolutely and my brother was the my brother would just give you the finger and walk away. I was like Carmichael I was like. I'm GONNA show you screw you like I remember a lot of my motos in those not so much ninety but now ninety one is a writer and ninety two as a wpro modes like fuck you. I'm GONNA show you that I that I can do this right so I was working harder to show him because he would be the taskmaster that I would never make happy right. That's how we worked and my mom never really got along because of that. My Mom's a softy. She's just a typical mom matter matter. She's kicking she's she's she's not going to have that. You know so. My Dad was definitely but my dad was all in. Like I've told this story before like I specifically remember remember this. There's two stories about how I can tell you how gnarly my dad was one story local race heart attack heart pack rain all night Saturday night. Bikes are ready to go out and heart pack tires. Everything rain all night we show with track. We get there. It's muddy. My Dad switches. Six tires puts mud tires on front and rear on all three bikes. Wow and gears them differently for the mud. Yeah everything else. Sheesh I go out there I right practice. Ride the first motives track dries up. Gets heart back again Klay where I grew up like it really sort of hard. Explain it but North Dakota Ota people would know what I'm talking about this. Just stick it. Yeah it's almost BENEFA- training so track dries up gets hard pack for the second motos. He switches six tires back the heart pack and the gearing and everything your local rates. And you're not talking like you have extra rims. He's he's he's breaking them down you you know and and I'm just like Dad. You don't have to do that. And then he's like no. This is going to help you so we did it. So that's one story about how gnarly my dad is like. Wow that's what he was like right like whatever advantage I could feel that like as a kid. You see your. Yeah Yeah yes wedding leading. So you're like I gotta work. I gotTa do well here this weekend. You know. Did you feel that or were you like kind of I remember when I do stuff like that. It almost made me a little bit scared. No I know for me. It was like fuck. Yeah we're all we're all in another weekend so the Loretta Lanes of Canada was twenty four hours away in Toronto drive and there was a local race at the Lorenza Canada a month before. So we load up. I get off school. You gotTA remember too. I was going to. He took me to Florida in eighty nine for like a month. He took me to California in ninety for a month. I stay with Mark Smith for awhile so is it just like him that would road trip. Yeah the ninety. My whole family went but then mom and dad went home and I stayed back for another three weeks derived garden. Yeah so like. That's the kind of thing we're doing right like we're like we're GONNA California. We're going to Florida where we live about North Dakota so it ain't in an easy and so he's like hey. This track motor park is having a local bryce. The month before route is unique. Go that we need to go there to learn the track Mike. What a twenty four hour drive? He's like not too bad. Get Out of school. Friday drive out twenty four hours go to the race race the race just local Manitoba turn around and go back. Yeah and then get this. We showed up a month later. They had flattened the tracking and built track. What did your dad was he? I just remember being like Oh boy. He's just like laughing. He's just like you know so we would drive to and from the racist together. I was sixteen seventeen seventeen. He would not he would not stop to switch drivers he would hold the wheel. I would slide in the front in a van. We would ed wood all we would only stop for Gas and food and the food had to be on the same size the freeways gas all about making time right as addition deficient so we had a ton on of steering wheel time just deriving to these. We used to go to Minnesota. Minnesota raced a month before we did in Manitoba so we would go every weekend back and forth so I was getting home Sunday nights to three in the morning from Minnesota because the local race ended up five or six and then I was going to school at like nine and he was getting up and going want to work. So how so. How were those drives when you had a bad race? Was it rough. I don't remember any. I don't remember any like really rough racist. But he he would let you know what I don't remember number like any jobs being like like jt. And Frank would just drive in silence like frank can be so mad at him and JT. Somatic Frank they wouldn't listen to the radio for eight eight hours. That would just drive in silence. I remember trips like that. My Dad I would go back in the shell. I don't remember any trips being like that other than him and I discussing like what happened today. Like all that kind of stuff and it never got physical. He never but definitely got verbal. You know so that was an example. A A couple examples of how gnarly my dad was like that was his his thing was like he was going to do whatever it took. He was all in money. Time everything so me. I wrote a ton I trained like. I was going to be an exchange through. who was a Canadian national seven for a couple of years? Maybe we six one year now industry still. He was racing locally and doing all the Canadian nationals with rollerball and all those guys and so I doubt often say hey look at chain like we go places where Shane was riding. Shame a bust out like two thirties or whatever and so that's what I have to do. You know what I mean so that kind of stuff case your grinded handed out with your dad. You're getting got the check. How many championships and where does it get to where it's almost near the end in in what causes the end to make you go a different direction while when did when did the racing dream start and make it? Yeah like everybody right like me like anybody right at some point and all the mechanics just about every mechanic in the pits failed. Racer leaves a giant. Like just why was the only guy that never actually raced that became. I'm in the Internet and you can see every single person that goes through it. It's almost like depression. This whole you almost have to fill. Yeah how did that. How did go down for you well at some point? My Dad's like hey we got to open up an aftermarket shop. We're going to open up because there was one in Winnipeg but it was on the other side of the city and they did really well with just selling aftermarket stuff not a dealership just a little choppy so so we opened this up in like ninety one now did he think do you think he's still believe you're GonNa make it at that point. Yeah I think so because I won both be championship won both be championship. Ninety one one of and I broke my arm and the Loretta Lanes of Canada. I I broke my arm. Maybe two weeks before at a fair race in South Dakota and so that crush that Loretta less so so that would have been a really big thing for me. Yeah the guy who I beat all the time in Manitoba got third so I would have been would have been good. I know what I mean. Who was that guy? Shane Mindell so I believe he got third. This guy named cal. No wicky one who I see now and then on facebook and I raised calories. Yeah he's a good dude yeah so he won that year. Loretta Lynch Canada. I didn't go but I often think like fuck like I could have really broken out there like it would have been a big deal so I did get one Canadian championship five hundred novice. I got like the redlands championship and ninety one. We have this shop and we're running a shop during the week racing on the weekends. I'm going straight from school. We open a one. I'm frontloading all my classes and to get off at noon or twelve thirty and I'm going straight to the shot from one to six loading up at six and going riding. That's my life like I'm Mike. Seventeen eighteen right on. I'm running a shop taking money credit cards ordering things everything my dad's doing but has monitoring it placing booking orders for answer stuff from through all this stuff like and now I see still also running the car stuff that you're still working. Yeah Yeah Yeah so I know it was too much much for a kid my age to be dealing with adults as far as you know buying and selling things and it was taken away from my racing because I was worried about the shop and a school like fuck school. My Dad didn't care but I I certainly did but I was was struggling in school because I was like. There's more to California I went to Florida like I don't need this this school shit right but but you do but at the time I I've got a business like yeah I'm already working. Snags Cell Phone Cooksey House Rolling in. I'm making more than my teachers. Good right so but the shop wasn't working too well and and it also wasn't yeah wasn't really you know working out with him and my mom anymore and then that was going south and he was starting to care less than the racing truthfully I was getting hurt to like so ninety one. I won the championship with a cast on the final round from the arm that you broke at a duct tape it up. I'm ready to CAST A tore my acl in ninety before the season started rode. I wrote half the season with this football. Brace on my underneath my pant so torme Seattle didn't tear it all the way through but just half or whatever. Ninety one was the ninety one winter cracked by pelvis who went over the bars and indoor race crack. My pelvis was bedridden for two months. I think or month anyways. How did it get around your house when you were hurt? Is there a lot of tension. Yeah Yeah for sure. I mean my mom was cool but my dad was like what are you doing. You know what I mean like so I I was fighting through this. I was crashing more than I probably should have. And you know three or four days a week I was never at my very best writer and I won one expert class in my in my career Manitoba but I was never that good I just wrote a shit ton like I rode. Bikes bikes are hammered. I would just read three or four days a week and I would do twenty minute motos all. That's how I got right. Yeah just grinding. Not a lot of talent like the opposite of Justin Hill talent. Yeah probably like J. T. J. T. Grind J.. He got everything out of what he had. That's exactly I mean obviously jt a serious talent. But I'm saying as pro level rider. So yeah just that's where I. That's where my racing stuff came from was was just work ethic just I was in shape hard to believe leave. I know but I was in shape and I grinded. We all have that moment where you decide. Okay I got to move on to something else. What was your moment I dunno Cooksey See? That's too dramatic for me. Do you have a moment I do. Oh what's your moment. I was working at South Valley motorsports. Utah Okay just system parts manager are still trying to ride pro locally trying to do the arena crosses and make means get smoked. A dude came in Brad. Bolton thirty pro stone lived in his parents basement and I remember going shit. That's my future. Call my buddy and Arizona. Went to college allow. Yeah no not for me. See Ninety by the way Brad Bolton. If you're listening thank you I appreciate it. You're good dude. I Love Ninety one. I won the B class. Ninety two I turn pro and my dad was sort of on a picture now he it was like. Hey you're on your own and I'm like but we kept racing as after you're done you have this shop. Why he's the round ride a little bit but it was weird because he was not at home anymore like ninety to turn pro I have? I've ninety one one thousand five still couldn't afford a new bike. 'cause my dad was like. Hey I'm don but what happened to you and I we had A. We had a dream ninety two CRTV fifty and he took the five hundred like he just took it. Even I was making payments on it. She'll bitter to this day about that by the way so he. He spoke to five hundred the ride that I bought a ninety two fifty about anyone. Come on ninety one point three five pro circuit out. which is it was a great bike? Ninety one zero one point five. That was a pro circuit. Was a great bike so I had the white shroud not so after all those injuries I told you you ninety two tore my rotator cuff. That was out of it for a while. Got Back on the bike broke couple of fingers got back on the bike. Had A concussion like my first year pro was rough right like I was just like welcome to the big leagues. Like I wasn't. I was probably a top five guy if that I probably I probably wasn't even. I never got a podium. I was like okay. Well I can't even beat these local dudes. How the hell am I going to beat? Ross Peterson and you know what I mean. Yeah and it's like quicksand. Jr Yeah Yeah once you have one of those injuries then you miss out on time they get ahead of you right harder than you have another one and now i. I had no financial support to go all over the place so my dad I was now just a local pro right like now I was just a local guy trying to make it right. I was out of school at this point graduated high school barely because I was so far behind an all my credits like my last call senior get so my senior year we to have that in Canada my senior year I was most of my buddies out at eleven or twelve right. It was just a lack year just had to get minimum credits while I was so far behind and I had to do a full year shops folded now. If all the shop all that I had to go all day long like eight hours a day just to get the credits that I needed to to make sure that I was wearing wearing a cap and gown with all my friends. I didn't want to be the guy that's commendable. Though a lot of people just bail out on it or go to that. I didn't WanNa be that guy that was like. Hey where's mathis he didn't graduate got your he didn't make it so yeah so I graduated high school and then now I was just a local pro trying to try to work job up. Was I doing at this point. I know there's you know you see. There's a turning point in your career is always that point with. I have to face yourself I have. I have a turning point for when I headed to the states. Getting mechanic I have that. No no no. You don't have that yet but I haven't so I'm racing locally and I'm just getting hurt art and I'm lining up race pro national. I got thirteenth in one. Moto which is pretty good also. No no no no Canadian still. That's thirteen so I wasn't in one. Moto was okay. I still all right. Who Thirteen on your own? Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's that's pretty. legit competition wasn't great at this point in Canada. Kazaa the marcy that we're fighting so there was anyways so either way pretty good I was. I was still fast. When things lined up I one one pro Mojo? I got some podiums and ninety three and ninety three I just had a CRT fifty in ninety four out of K.. Ex to fifty that was garbage Great bike but fell apart so easily. I remember those thank springs plastics goodbye. They'll get suspension of motor and stuff but But I was just kept getting hurt like the dream was now debt right. The dream is dead I can race local pro and if you get in top three you can get a couple of hundred bucks. Yeah and you know make your way pay your way for that weekend. You know what I mean or whatever. I was teaching Motoko schools on the Saturday before the race so I got the track a little bit so that was helping sire so you're a legit legit local pro. People are people looking you. Hey My kids pretty good that type of backup and I raced a lineup lineup. From Millville two or three times five hundred so that was that was always a made it once. I didn't make a couple of times so that part was always. That was fun but the dream was dead right dad and I. We're not really talking than hey what's up. I wasn't getting financial support from anybody. And you've got to be what nineteen in twenty eight seventeen nineteen now probably eighteen nineteen twenty. Yeah what you hit nightline graduate eighteen eighteen so yeah so I would've been eighteen. Nineteen eighteen twenty somewhere around there and then things just weren't like yeah. I was just settling into like. I wasn't going to college my buddies. WE'RE GONNA call my buddies. I wasn't going to college. I had all this data from the store. We take it on a wait. What will that at some minor? How did you have the debt? Yeah exactly at some one point. My Dad took me to the bank to sign a loan to get a loan for eighteen thousand dollars which may have been which may as well been one hundred eighty thousand dollars for then and so then when my dad split he left me paying that loan and on my really dad like you have the five hundred which was part of the buying the by the shops APAs folded. I'm barely getting by here. Trying to make these loan payments as a seventeen eighteen year old. You know what I mean. I remember the four hundred in sixteen dollars. I remember them out. That doesn't sound like much. Now do then for one hundred sixteen dollars every month. So I was pumping been gas as a second job as working pumping gas at night. I was working delivering car parts for Awhile in driving all the garage and Dovan car parts. I was my buddy Darrell Martins. who was really fast and really good? He hired me to work as OAK furniture store. So I would deliver oak furniture slash cell. Oh furniture so I could sell the shit out of a lazy and some point. He opened a store in Toronto and I went there for a little while to work and he opened a store in Victoria. I went to Victoria for a little bit to work so I was just dude just struggling to find my purpose here see. I had no skills outside of high school right. Yeah and I was still paying. I was in debt massively. I was trying to raise which is expensive and I was not doing anything with my life. Yeah you're on the same path that I was kind of Aten high race a little bit. I wasn't I never got high by all the guys in my area. That's what they they smoke pot and right. I've never smoke weed or a cigarette in my life series. Ever ever never taken a puff on anything. You should've maybe. Yeah and that's why. When years later when I was a mechanic I saw cocaine and I was like Oh my God? I thought the movies list that was just like in Miami Vice. Like that's right there in front of me but anyways so my moment cooksey my life was going so mom and dad. They had to sell the House that I grew up been. My brother was gone right. He'd moved on and no longer ride. Is he going to make knowledge what he knew he ended up. He's a massage therapist. Now before we move onto the union birth did. Did you guys ever fistfight. Did you ever have any track. Not No doubt ever have any no never nothing nothing. Yeah never never nothing. I can remember my. My childhood was littered with fights really. Oh yeah I heard about that stuff from my guys at Eddie Hicks feature did Bobby Morris telling me. The parents were getting fights fights all the time. I'm like what my dad didn't. He beat up on local pro because he took up my brother. But that's about it jeeze. No I don't remember. I don't remember any of that growing up. My Mom and dad would fight early on at the racist when he would be yelling at one of us for doing shitty and then she just stopped coming because it was like she was like. I can't handle this. You know what I mean so already common that's Karachi. Yeah so but none of that back you know we got to the fly racing racer x podcast presented by maxis and Alpine stars. Thanks for listening. Everybody hope you're not getting bored by this. Thank you race tech as well pulp Martinez the code to save at Ray Tech Race DHEC DOT COM Zombie. Chris Blows Using Race Tech. Ah Clayson they just did a set of Spencer. Kate claimed to go to Finland to beat Alex. 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I think I would start at four or five and get off at whatever two or three right. Whatever the Mathis and I was grinding out handrails grinding boy rining handrails? So you have your of earplugs on your mask on. There's metal shavings everywhere and metal dust everywhere and I was grinding and doing it was shit job. It paid okay. I would bicycle to who in from work which is good. It would give me some exercise for riding at American mountain bike three in the morning. Just hauling ass home on Mary Mountain Bike. I remember those nights summer summer and stuff and then I got laid off from that so mom and dad split. The house was sold. MOM had nowhere to go brother was out. Mom moved in with her mom. My grandma and I brought with her and my grandma was drinking a lot these days and not a very nice person by the way although he's my grandma but it wasn't. I'm living in the basement at my grandma's like seriously like if you WanNa make a movie about it like I'm twenty three twenty two living in the basement playing hockey in the winter riding in the summer and working as welder shop and drinking on the weekends or whatever racing still write all that and I got laid off from the welder shop. And I'm just like fuck I can't even keep a welder's job now. I didn't get laid off because I was bad worker or whatever but I'm like what am I doing like what am I doing. I'm living in my grandma's basement. I have no secondary education. I have no skills. I have nothing. I'm a loser no chick. I'd had a girlfriend forever like I mean I had a couple of growing up not much. I was just into racing all the time. Yeah so when are you gonNA have a girlfriend between John and yeah no chicks. My some of my buddies were like hooking up with checks and that's cool but I couldn't get a check the like me and I'm like living my grandma's basement so I was like fuck. I gotTa to do something. So my other buddy from racing. He didn't race but he was around the racing scene. He had gotten a job with the. Do you remember the Bridgestone rent dolls support trailer yet that was at the nationals and went to the amateur national sometimes did it. Okay was that the pronouns you could buy rentals for Twenty Bucks Bridgestone Tyres for twenty bucks. Whatever race discount discount any kind of yeah ray services? so He'd gotten a job with them and then. Shane drew speaker. Shane drew he had quit racing years before he was now. Working at Noelene as suspension Guy Slash Brooks Mechanic Carlos mechanic. Whatever so I still kept in touch with those guys and I'm like I want to do that now I was? was there still racing Millville. I don't think I was racing going on the race Melville anymore. I think I went down to hang out a couple of times like I just love so that was in days of Saturday and tech inspections. You would go to the hotel L. on Saturday so you're up in Canada and it's not the days of Internet cell phone like you probably just saw magazines. And how did you keep in touch with these guys. You just have their numbers. Yeah I think I I know right. Yeah dial up like well yeah. I think you just saw the message on the answering machine right and if you moved sometimes you just lost people. Yeah Yeah you just yeah. That's it. Yeah that's crazy that you actually. I was curious how that happened. Yeah so I remember. Darryl was the guy working for and he. He went to work for Tony. I'm radio KTM to as a mechanic. Darrell couldn't get anything and I was calling chain drew and I was like shaking like I'll just I'll do anything like I'll just I gotta get down there. I always do my own bike Mike Maintenance because my dad was a mechanic so he taught us well and and you know through many many frustrating times working on bikes and power valves and shit like that but I do top end and I could. Do you know the bottom yet but anyways I thought I could handle be mechanic and I remember shame was like well. I've talked to this guy for you and I talked to this guy for you. And and but he's like nobody is going to hire you from the couch and Canada. You gotta come down. And so I was laid off from the steel mill. I had unemployment checks coming in steel shop and and I remember like flashdance psychic so shane was come down here. He's working for Carl Lewis Ninety six in the beginning of ninety six. Come down here so I went down to Denver supercross ninety six and it was another one after that that was the final round then there was a couple nationals after after that and Shane was like yeah like just hang out and meet people and I took my last four or five hundred dollars jumped in the car of a buddy of mine that was also going to Denver and we drove down to Denver together from Winnipeg. I think that's sixteen hours or something and I met Shane. And everybody supercross. Everybody went home and I was now stuck stuck in the Nolan Box van and I went around the pits I saw for net net US riding Jason McCormick. WHO's from Chicago area? They were together in a box fan and I was just going around me like hey. Do you need mechanic. Do you need mechanic mechanic like I'll just like that's how you did it right and change. It was vouching for me McCain Jamie. Yeah I know this guy. He's a good dude type of deal but and there wasn't a lot of money to be paid. Hell no I if any I worked for McCormick for a weekend at high point on one twenty five only five I think he went fourteen fourteen and I had the bug like I was. I was a fan of the sport as you can as you know and as you can tell anybody listens to me so I was in the mechanics area area. With all the guys factory might gossip for Lampson and alleys seamark for Wyndham. And all these guys and I'm like I'm in. This is what I WANNA do. I love this. You know what I mean. Yeah Yeah and and so but McCormick army for one weekend so hung out with Frenette for a little bit and then the PJ one team was around and the owner. Dr Burnsville Yamaha was a supporter with the dealership. I got all the bikes from it. Was Alex mckelway team from Arizona. Yep He got hurt though so he wasn't there anymore. PJ One was buttons. Dang extreme was buttons thing. You get just gotten back from your your. He didn't have a rod and so they were needing a mechanic because they fired cog Danny Stevenson's buddy who still calls in the show. They fired cog he went back to Nebraska. Hang with Danny Daniels on Great Western Bank. So I guess he wouldn't hang in with Dani but anyways so patio. He now works at Oakley was Cory Aquino mechanic but he went to go work for button once called got fired and so they had an opening for Kini and it was kind of the Minnesota Burnsville Yamaha was based on a Minnesota while the owner use the promote all these arena. Crosses the one I broke my pelvis at. Yeah everything else. I would racist racist twice a year so he knew me and his name is Gary Broth. And I I found Gary Gary like I heard you look at for mechanic. I'll do anything like I want to do this and he was like you're a racer. Aren't y'all Magana racer mechanic. Now and he's and he was like I don't know man. I need the mechanic I don't I don't need a racer I mean I'm like no no no I can do the job like you know and I remember saying hey. I'll work for free for two weeks if I don't work out. Send me on my way but for two weeks I'll all work for free. And he was like. Oh Yeah you're in. You know he just like two weeks for free if he sucks he goes. Yeah and that's it. I started working for Kini and Padua was a great help to me. Anthony Paseo from Florida. I met him right away. Still friends with them to this day and he taught me a lot. I fucked up a lot patio. Patios got some great stories of fucking up We drove the truck and trailer. We had a dodge duly with the trailer and that was it. I was on my way and I made three hundred dollars a week and and I just relied patio to take me like. Hey we're going to swing south. We stayed at swings for a few weeks in Michigan. We stayed at We had Jeannou Mac with us for a while because gene was patios buddy so genius to ride gene and his girlfriend and his kid that was great and then we said it swings for awhile. We stayed man. I can't think of the other places we stay. We would. Oh Jeff Glasses Steph. Glasses on Silva's yeah surf sky. And that's what we do and we build our bikes and go the racist. And then I worked for KEENEY COURTNEY FROM MINNESOTA's national number thirty nine so obviously wanting to be a racer and then you kind of switched mechanic was at that day that day with McCormack. When you went this I can actually? That's what really hit you or for sure her. I was fortunate to no shame drew. He deduced many some people for sure and so now when people get mad at me I blame there because if I never I never would come. USA wasn't shamed you so I don't know that guy so we have this running joke but yeah I was such a fan of the sport like I just loved it right and Dan so to be at the nationals. I mean I was the kid that I don't know if you've ever did this. But as a kid you know. My First Melville was eighty eight. It's a fifteen year old or whatever and I just stand there and watch the box van watching mechanics work on the bikes like just stand there like like a stupid kid. I just love these things right. I love RJ forty. And all all these guys rollerball. I was a little different. I went over there I was a golden state nationals. I didn't give a shit about the mechanics watching those guys warm up and I'm learning whatever chains. They were trying to get a physical fitness. I was yeah I mean I was definitely the racers to eighty nine. When I went to Florida we went to croome and I saw Barnett? And all these guys there. It was amazing and and everything so for me. I just loved pro racing magazines motocross action. And he's magazines helped. We love it from Canada and I was. I traveled a lot Florida and California and Oliver candidate racing was like fuck like here. I am like I'm on the scene now and working for McCormick went fourteen fourteen and like I'm like Holy Shit. You know what I mean. We're we're awesome and so that's it. That's the bug that I needed. You know and Keanae though never really hit it off very well. He didn't do that he didn't do very well and I was doing everything Padua told me to doing. Like hey patch. What did we do for the bikes in between the week? y'All we've taken down to the frame and put them back together and we talked ends here and there. I was doing all that painting the frames you find a tree tree Yamahas were white back then white so you had to put a base coat on sprint spray painted white and Kinney was just Kinda Dick to me like I never I I mean I wanted to like like the guy I used to race him first of all we together. I don't think you remember me but I used to race him arena crosses that the guy he was really good. He's team Green Kid. He as fast faster than me. And we never really got along and I was Kinda like. Maybe I was dreaming that I was skipped Norfolk already. Like I wasn't take like dude. What are you doing like? You're not even going top twenty nationally with thirty nine. You can't get top. It's not good. You know. Yeah this dream is not going to go if you know I and then paint his frame one week and he lost it on me. But I'm like Doobie drove eighteen hours in two days and buttons framed. Him Get painted either. Because you know we're just busy busy trying to get from one to the next and the next week and he fired me I showed up. I built his bike. He showed up with his DAD's. Hey My dad's GonNa wrench for me like what a Dick move. That's Kinda Dick. It's a big move and so I didn't and have a job so then Carlos was on the team Sean calebs back from injury I worked for Kayla's for a couple of races and then he broke his hand at Troy. Ohio and then I was out and I went to the rest of the racist with pads. Is You'll just to hang out and I never spoke to Keeney or anything else. That thinks that way so now this is this is about a year in now is ninety six year. Yeah throughout that first as little year were there moments were. Did you consider say man. I'm just going to go back to. Canada was homesick. was never that at some point at some one point. Is this the right decision. Oh no no no. That's cool. I was like this is what I WANNA do. This isn't about it. I had nothing going on at home. Yeah I wasn't I was I. I had some sort of rich parents or some career to go back to. I was a loser in my grandma's basement so like still east and you were still local guys. I The went to college I had a few my first semesters I'm like why did I give up race. I was I was. I think I let go the dream. I'd been so hurt so many times. I just there's a string string of injuries there and broke my foot three times rotator album. That's good yeah I was. I was ready to ready to hang up and then at some one point. I like this is what I want to do. This is awesome. I can't believe I'm with all these guys. This is where it's at. These guys are amazing and a mechanic and this is awesome and I want to be this and and that really just drove me from there. So I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go light on your mechanic career 'cause Utah you've talked about a lot throughout the podcast stuff so so you went from. PJ One two hybrid tie Birdwell. And the Birdwell after Watson was there. Yeah Watson worked for him the year before and then for net got me the job with Birdwell my buddy for net called Birdie and said Hey I got the sky. Pj One team has done so it was just to get button back at going. Pretty much The job with chaperone next year so patio went with him and so the PJ one team. We weren't even getting paid dude. There are times where we had. The credit card is getting denied. We check back in the hotel room so we slept in the lobby of hotels. You know what I mean like it was the by the end of the nationals. It was hanging on by thread and I wasn't getting paid and everything in those days. How many box fans didn't even have registration really went through the pits gnarly number that? But I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah Watson's still that story but the triple X.. Van Legs and the next year Watson was that triple X.. And I was working for Birdie and hang out with Kenny a little bit. I got him and he was always blowing me off but the bird was buddies with them. Because you know so I got the hang out. Degan me Watson Degan and Birdwell shedder hotel room in Gainesville for about a week between Gainesville and whatever supercross that was remember the first national or Kenneth Jones's house I think I have a question about Burgo. Bird was on a team with Eric Hilton. No and a couple of other guys in like ninety six. No that wasn't wasn't I don't think it was a team. Maybe took it was. It was Hilton Birdwell. Well and two other guys I forget the name of it but yeah I'll have to. We stated Eric Hilton's down in Huntington Beach. Okay so we did no air a little. Bit like Birdie. Okay I I my my first day on the day they had a team it was a funky. Yeah okay recent news anyway. My asked my first job of Birdwell was hey. His Dad owned a car dealership in Washington Ministry Oregon. So my first thing would bird while I was up in Canada waiting in between jobs selling buying furniture and and my birdwell said our go to Washington. Pick up an F.. One fifty driver to southern California. And I'm like okay so you know go across the border. Tell them just going for like a month or so. Pick Up. Take a bus to the dealership from the border to the dealership then and get an F.. One fifty find the dealership no cell phones or anything find the dealership Feinberg was that say. Hi I'm Steve. Here's the keys. Remember the brought his brother. Toss me the keys here. You go and I took the map. The Rand McNally drove straight down to California and I got the air kilns. Housing Huntington beach at like three in the morning and the bird was just you know earlier that day. It's just come in and sleep on the couch. Better hope to get the right house. I remember going in sleeping on the couch. Wake up in the morning and like Eric Hilton's chick and Eric. They're all just eating breakfast. I'm like I'm just like who are these people I'm like. Hey I'm Steve. Like just so randomly right you look back that and you're just like what and then Hilton. I I still helping whenever I see him. was built was bill west hanging around but no no so. He wasn't racing anymore by then. Ninety seven he was done so Birdwell Ninety-seven birdwell ninety eight and then halfway through supercross in ninety eight birdwell got hurt and half marathon to pick me up. Then I went to work for Danny Smith and then that was the rest of ninety eight and fired from there that I went to Germany for three months. And that's where you lived in the shop for a while. Alright in ninety eight half monda yeah in Torrance in F- shop and I crack up when people call and the. Hey how do I get into the industry like they have no idea what it took took to get. No I mean. That's you're you're essentially homeless. I I was. I was homeless. Not Essentially you were. I was homeless from ninety six until two thousand. I never stayed anywhere longer than two months. Wow and I slept all over for people's couches. I sold furniture for the while for a couple of months in the off season. You kind of make money through make money in the off season. I went to bird wells in Oregon here and there I went to torrance the Living Ray shop in California. No just literally. Thor gear bag was everything I owned. No male everything everything I mean. My mom was just getting suffering I. I don't know you know what I mean. I was just living paycheck to paycheck. I had I had a bank account. I've had a cellphone ninety seven and that was about it and just and that's what cooks you. That's what I tell these people like you don't understand I would have done anything. I was doing anything I was getting treated like Shit. I wasn't getting paid by people. I was getting kicked around trying to get jobs. I was going to Europe like I just wanted it so bad that I didn't care I would do anything and I think you know you've been around long enough where they come. Any foreigners have been mechanics over the years right like Africans Canadians Australians. You know why because we'll do anything we don't have a family. There's no plan B.. We don't have a base we don't we can't run home to mom and dad if things get tough we all want to be there so bad and we'll do anything and we work our balls off because we have no life and that is why you saw so many not so much anymore because legalities. Now you know it's a lot tougher but back then there was all all of us were undocumented foreigners so but we we all did it man and that was it and I had to go by an air mattress and sleeping the ray shop. Okay okay. Cool like no problem like whatever like yeah okay. What's the big deal that's crazy? Yeah but yeah so and and then okay so you go. FM F Honda to triple X.. Or Triple Ono then Germany all. That's right into Germany. Germany the three months to go work for a kid from Finland. I couldn't get a job in America. What were you thinking that's doing? GP's it'd be fucking Rad. Yeah I guess Tom. GP's that'd be awesome travel the World Americans. No No. Wow No billy lyles got me the GIG billy lyles but he got me the GIG somehow through somebody. Sorry I didn't last though and then I got the job with no lean ninety nine timmy. Yeah I missed the first two rounds I was in Germany for the first two rounds of supercross and then I happen to have a pager check my pager and Dave Guy who I'd Metropole ex and everything else and known over the years David I quit working for Tammy and no lean to go work for your Shamir road race team and date and David. I told them you should hire this mathis kit and they had my resume already from the previous fall and I remember the guy saying. Hey it's Steve Russell Noelene. We're looking for a guy for Tim. Ferry for mechanic and Dave gave us your name. I want to see if you're still interested in the job and I'm in Germany. They don't know that I call him back and he's like well. Can you beat Anaheim this weekend. Yes and you know like like just I remember calling mom and being like can you buy me a ticket. That's thank God for Debbie Right. Getting me a ticket to get me out of Germany. I flew Straight California and used for tools. They had tools. Maybe I I brought tools to Germany and I brought him back. Is that used to be the GIG. Right you Yeah I might have. I might have flown with the plastic box and brought him back home and then and then I started working for Timmy in ninety nine and then he he was really turning his career round tours. ACL L. A.. Ninety one a championship in ninety-seven toys. ACL and ninety eight a full-time two fifty four fifty. Now of course. And then he was sort of written off and the ninety nine he really invested in backing himself himself and he built supercross track on his property in Florida and he started really doing well and then that made me look well right because I remember he was getting top. Ten's all the time. He's winning some semi races. He got third at Indianapolis on his total privateer. We're out of a box van and got third to fifty main event and so that makes me look good and now I was I went from I went from an you know. POLLENS ended up being my friend and in the yeah I forgot about this so Paul Lindsay end up being my friend but at the end of ninety eight I couldn't get that fucking call me back like and I'm just. I wonder if a planet Honda he worked for Planet Hunter. Yeah he wrenched manage their and they wouldn't call me back and pollens use like you got a job. I'll get you a job and I'm like okay and not call me back. And then at some point Di Marina any Suzuki said you have the job drive down here you can start Monday. I drove all the way from Canada to California to start Monday at de Marina Suzuki and I could not get the guy. That's my call any never did they. Never get me a job. While after a week I get a hold of the guy the manager guy and he goes out man thinks change. Ma'am sorry because back then. I didn't know where the ray shop was. I didn't know anybody to show you. Don't just google no no. There's no googling or nothing so the the guy makes me dry from Canada to corona. Start on Monday and then never calls me back back and so at that point I think that was a switch. That was like fuck this. I'M GONNA. GP's like fuck the scene like fucked American scene right. I'm going to and so yeah so and that didn't work out. I was horrible herbal and then back in California for Noelene Timmy does well look at this point. The desire to keep going my God right. Ninety Ninety nine point nine nine hundred people probably would quit something else. I don't know about many but yeah do they hype percent fantasizing about just working a regular job at McDonald's. I just WANNA do Whitman. I loved it right. I mean Jeremy knew who I was and And I was like you know a guy and you know it was awesome right all these all these dudes were hanging out like I mean swing and I were buddies for a little bit there and I remember talking to him a lot and I was just like fuck. Yeah I you know. I'm in the MIX WCHS I got. I bleach my hair earings. Do you think the bird Roy shorts. Yeah I mean shiny shirts like I'm in Cooksey. LBC's Asri pocket. Yes I'm in. Do you think the burning desire to be a part of it was because you didn't quite make racer do you think some of it came from that. Yeah I think I always said if I can't be a racer failed when the next best thing to me was being a mechanic you were living like I mean all those races that the Pitt Board for all those all those races and all those years every single one. I got nervous. I got excited. I got sad I got mad right like you live with the guy on the track. Now so yes. You're not racing but it is it is you and you can ask. JT or or anybody. That knew me for a long time like when I worked for you. And that's what made the keeney thing or the Dan. I didn't get along Danny Smith that well either to be fair I fucked. Danny's bike up a couple of times. So I get it but I was all in on my rider. SJTU not you know. Anybody I worked for was the greatest rider. Ever you know what I mean and we were just we were just a few breaks away from winning supercross title. I feel like Timmy Timmy. And you were like the same age. Yeah you raised in the same similar era the heated. Is that why you guys got along so good. No I don't think so. I don't know to me funny story though. When did he did? He listen to you when you given in writing advice to because I'm telling you did back then. I'm sure I did but I doubt it timmy. Thought I was somebody else so they told him. Hey hired we hired this guy named Steve Mathis he worked for this. This guy this guy and this guy. Timmy being clueless we know now anyone demi goes to lax to pick me up from Germany. Yeah and I come down the escalator and I walked right up to him and he's looking past me because he thinks a different guy he thinks. I'm Alan Taylor. Lucky Bryant Ryan's brother Allen who worked for right. WHO's a good mechanic yeah? He thinks he's getting all right. Allan Turkey instead of Mathis and I and I think he I think he was like it worked out but so then at at the end of ninety nine team he gets a chaperone ride and I brought along at ninety. Nine nationals will get picked up by chaperone to be Lamis teammate. Yeah because knowing's falling apart. Yeah nobody's getting paid all this stuff we barely make it through to it. They caught Joneses. Sold it. At this point he actually had the sizzler. That was long gone. That was was all Clark Jones so they sold it got rich off the noelene bicycle stuff and everything else and then now is just randy blevins. It was a good dude building pipes and see Russel who who was not such a good dude. As far as I think he's passed on now. But he was a very good to me anyways. So knowing was falling apart the chaparral all after the first two nationals. Yep and now I was with chaparral except Brooks's like Larry Bird like hey so what's going to hire you. We're GONNA pay you the same as the guys are paying you and I'm like okay and they're like but you gotta you gotTa drive drive into the racist with big truck driver. I'm like what and big beaten want me. He didn't want fucking fucking idiot in the truck with him. He didn't know me and I didn't want to drive a truck spacing US things. Chaparral was so cheap though they wouldn't would fly me the racist demer on. Yeah and so. Oh I'm just driving with big and he hates my guts. Great Great Great Work here you know but we the nationals. I slept in the cab. We got hotels here and there with Brian Him. We laugh about it now but he didn't like me. I mean whatever. He's doing his thing right yeah they got their own little. Yeah Yeah so at the end of ninety. Nine chaperone hires Timmy fulltime to alongside Jeremy. And they're like okay. You're going to be the guy and then I'm in. I'm the guy and I'm building the race bike and I'm getting all the tatum and then at some point Jerry Campbell's doing the motors. Jerry was Lanston the candidate before some point. Jerry's okay I'M GONNA need to get that titanium back and I'm like why I just gotTa look at it Okay and inspect yeah and then the next day is like hey let me see your motor and I'm like Like my motors and then next thing I get fired so they were like Klay Typical Chaparral. They didn't WanNa pay the the extra wage. Even though they told me they could brooks felt really bad. I think he did feel bad. Legitimate feel bad and then relate to get a job by then he goes he goes. I don't worry I call Bitch Peyton. Go down there right now and meet with Mitch. He wants to hire you. I feel so bad I go down to Mitch. Payton and Mitch doesn't seem to know anything about this and says I got a service department open like working on customer stuff. Oh boy at this point Mitch's reputation with in the pits as well known mechanics. Work the balls off very little money. And I wasn't even going to be that I was going to be a service. Scott I was like Nah. I'm out so luckily another Canadian Allen Brown was now working as team manager so he hired me. Luckily they were so late again. Their shit together with Regis Harrington Barrington and Keith Johnson and Donovan Mitchell who got hurt for the year. They hired me to work for Kelly Smith. Keith Johnson then Keith. Johnson broke his wrists for the season. Season started because of my fault. Because I didn't know and then Kelly Smith's mechanical fire at Kelly Smith. Wait how is it your fault because I took. He's Johnson's tracking seamy valley and he says that I didn't tell them about this jump. But I say your professional supercross. Shouldn't you listen you look anyways. It was an on off and he didn't know the off anyway into into the face of the often broke risks. I remember when he was hurting. I heard that his bike. It shut off. No no that was maybe but not that year bedtime so yeah so then. I work for coach for two years. We want high point in two thousand like never never and and One four stroke nationals and killing. I got along good not always great but pretty good. I felt like he should have put more effort into it. You know I felt like he took advantage of him being the KTM PM Golden Child because remember he was ktm when they were were you. His guy on Seca hit I was not that was ninety nine but I was standing on the starting line with Tim Ferriss. Holy Shit Fuck. ATM's GonNa Win this thing. Can you believe it piece of Shit. KTM with no linkage is GonNa win this thing and then I'm working for him six months later so but yeah so again like just you know through the ups and downs of chaparrals morale and finally making it with timmy quote unquote making it. And then getting turfed from there for no reason you know what I mean getting fired from. FIFA Honda for. Maybe a bit of a reason. I'm going to Europe like I just kept banging my head against that wall like just what do I gotTa do here. When does pook the pitcher? Well she'll tell you she was always in the picture but When when did you guys? I met her in ninety eight. He met her ninety eight. When did you date her with Yamaha? Yeah we become. We didn't become boyfriend girlfriend in the friend zone for a while. Yeah we're friends though but we're paying we're okay. Let's do okay. Well whatever your official official but you're right okay. She was just some floozy on the road. I tell her that now she goes mad. Yeah I'd probably keep that one but yeah we met a ninety eight and we always kept in touch. I always thought she was a cool rag girl. She loved racing more so than she likes now and and she liked me and everything so we always kept in touch and whenever I was in their neck area would stop by and see or whatever that caused problems uh-huh because sometimes she was in a relationship with another dude. You don't care you're only in town out but anyway so we don't start till two thousand three okay fair enough so how do you get from KPMG and the KTM end of a one KTM is like nobody likes. Nobody likes anybody at Ktar. Shit show. They were Langston was good. But he was getting preferential staff and some parts that people weren't getting and and so the other other people were not happy. And I was like so brooks comes back in the picture brooks comes back in and says Hey I got you a Jew. I'm starting a team of bud. Light team with Jeremy or was Jimmy was oh two so now he was still chaperone successor. Okay so we're getting a lot as a sponsor we're bringing on more. We're going to hire hire Ryan Hughes as Secondary Guy You're gonNA work for Ryan Hughes and and you know you can be as because I owe you 'cause I screwed you at Chaparral and I've always always been friends and I owe you and I'm like okay cool and I remember saying Larry can I tell Katie. I'm like I'm done. He's like Yeah Yeah tell them you're done and I'm like okay so ron he'd been comes in as manager at KTAR keeping an eye meat. And I basically tell Rodney even like this shit show. I'm Outta here. Even he's just like okay all right. Yeah and so. That was still city coming up that weekend when we're having having meetings rhino goes steel city at end those brains out on a factory Honda four stroke and effectively ruined his career right there. He never raises really again. So we do the outdoors didn't he. Oh yeah he comes back for. KTM You're right. Yeah Yeah Book So. He was offered a year though he wasn't supposed to race again. No so I'm like Oh Shit Shit. Hey Larry What about Rhino. He's like I'm GonNa Hire Nick Way. Don't worry you're good okay. So doesn't Hire Nick Way. It all falls apart and then I go go back. Ktm Brooks is like dude. Sorry on like Oh yeah. I don't think you ever want to work with like. Oh yeah okay cool. Sorry Great I call Ron even-up Heyman. Some things have changed. Can I come back. He'd been to his credit goes. Yeah no you can't come back and I'm like okay so now I'm out of a job again. Is this where you learn. It don't burn bridges. I worked for two years factory. ATM and now is out. And I couldn't get higher with Brooks his team. They eventually high remorse. But I was long gone by that. I was out of the picture by that. And I'm like thanks Brooks. Thanks a lot awesome. Thank you but nick way. Never got the right either and Nicotine Kelly's new each other. I knew nick for the Michigan Fan. So Nick Roger Black's. I'm Mike Nick. You didn't get fucked fucked. Let's get fucked together and be. SPF ESPN Kanak rider. Yeah so he's just like all right so I mean Nicolay and Modal Triple X.. Box Van and the whole deal and in and I get an I finally moved from San Diego to Anaheim because I had an apartment in two thousand I got apartment. Replace highlife like yeah like. Tom Wouldn't nightstand from here from from my style but had Aerostar Driving Aerostar then back then. So yeah. That's not your to Nick. Kills it top privateer and super cost so again. I talked privateer ninety nine. Tammy top privateer. Oh Two with Nick like I felt like people need to understand like it was just not toot my own horn here but it's just the mechanic I'm getting the thing. I'm making suspension mentioned adjustments. I'm shipping suspension. Sometimes changing nick suspension oil during the week. I'm splitting the motor. I'm buying groceries on Washington box Fan. I'm jetting. I'm doing all this. As a mechanic there was no teams talk. I mean you're also his ear. You're babysitting this guy who racers we on the racer up down. It's stressful. You gotta deal with all that so your psychology doing all of that right so nick has great year out indoors outdoors he gets hurt or Mrs Three nationals with me but then comes back and runs top ten. I remember what shoe. Oh to shoe triple X.. Goes second with Larry Ward third with Kyle Lewis Forthwith Nick Nick its fourth or fifth like our three guys. Were top five and we're out of a frigging van. We I left a box van but the nationals. I wasn't a box anymore. We're we're in a straight truck now but supervising box fan. And then I'm just like look at our shitty ass team me. Alan Brown was a guy named Doug from Canada. We are all from Canada and working for Larry Kyle and Nick Way and we were killing it like Kyle outdoors getting every hole. Shot approach bike so so that was like a transition in between box van to the triple. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah Alan took charge a triplex maybe a year or two later down the road and then and then so I'm I'm getting. I'm getting swing arms and frames and stuff from seed Butler. I`Ma for nick just because we're great Yamaha representative and doing well so I'm starting to meet them and everything else and then you guys got to pick whatever bike you wanted to ride on that team back then whatever. Yeah Yeah Nick Yamaha support so that was. Yeah that was it shows that Larry Road Yamahas and Kyle wrote a Honda. We're also surround Yamahas and and Louis Somehow picked up a Honda ride and said screw you everybody and we're like what anyways so. Yeah and then I'm with Kooky POOP and I. She comes to steel city that year. Oh to the last national and were I think. We're back in Michigan after steel city. Maybe Monday Tuesday and Jimmy. Perry calls phone rings at Kayce Mexican in Michigan Pook. There's a moment remember. Yes yes yes and Jimmy Perry calls and says this is Jimmy Perry. How would you like to come work for timber? Very Timmy. And I had always been friends and ninety nine. He went to Yamaha there was never any openings but he I remember him telling me like if I get a chance is to bring you in. I'll bring you in. You know I'm like really okay kind of think that much about it. You've been burned so many times. Just like okay. Three years later his guy leaves they say. Hey do you want they want the Loria Yamaha wants Loria. Who was also buddy of mine and everything else timmy? Wants me fights for me and I get the factory hints the Loyalty Lifelong Loyalty to take a little bit. Yeah dude although hey guys I ever had with. Bonus bonus payments but whatever he gave gave you race. There's a certain Yup for sure. Wow and then you work for them for a couple years two years. Yep because the wrist injury three three years at the end of five they said. Hey we're gonNA keep beyond you gotta work from Voss out. I said I wasn't like like look a Yamaha. We built builder motors. Not doing the mods tune but this assembling an assembling homeowners we were test by guys. We'll everybody attest by Chad was their villain ferry. All three years we were there. We had very little help. Compared to other guys we did our own tires at the racist Moose's but when it had tubes we changed our own tires and I was was looking around other factory teams with all. These helpers motor guys and I'm like what are we doing. I was working a ton because when Timmy would get hurt I just go and work for Chad by guy or Whatever and not making any money like I remember I may forty two thousand dollars? My first year factory Yamaha after and I was employee so get your taxes out of that and everything and I was just like I could barely afford anything their base in Orange County so either by department their apartment they're poopie and everything and I remember just like what am I doing. I'm not making any money like I can barely get by with. What I'm doing and Timmy wasn't really bonuses? Me Out. Three was a good year for him. He made a lot of podiums but four or five risks injuries. Nothing not waiting results so like I remember thinking like Oh my God I'm factory Yamaha. This glover and Anna and Keith McCarty I'm factory and I'm miserable. I'm miserable was it hard because you had the other mechanics. We're working for those guys. Was Chad. Boning out his guys was yeah yeah e both. DV was but but Chad Chad was taken care of his guys. which I mean again? It's not all about money but when you are working so much and again barely bringing home you know forty two I remember they gave me a racer like forty three and a half a Mike. Thanks fifteen hundred dollars thanks you know like it just. I was working so much and I didn't mind working so much. Because that's part of the GIG but then becomes at some point. You're like what am I doing. But when you look right to the guy in the stall next to you getting bonus out. That's gotta be tough. Yeah I I know the one year Chad gave everybody on the team but me because he didn't get along because he was a dick back. Then I've heard I've heard about him was I've heard I've heard a lot of different. He was mandating and he was a bit of a Dick and I would call them out on it. That's different now now the easiest. Everyone's got older for sure but yeah when he was twenty. He's twenty two twenty three years old. He's the best in the world or with Ricky Carmichael. Maybe the number number A to ride in the world and he's making millions that people change you know. Him and Allie went through here with a chip on his shoulder. I remember the first one I ever heard of him was is in Australia. Pastrana went over there and some dude named read beat him. I was like what that's kind of. What got him? Yeah Troy Ride Bercy in Cowley. Parking McGrath Roy came over to Egmont joy. Mark McGrath at Bercy. And we're like what nobody parks growl anyways so he changed a lot l. e. change a lot. I can't blame them. They were kids and got millions and millions of dollars coming in and he was killing it and I just wasn't having like you can work me to the bone you can do whatever whatever you want but give me some respect. And he wasn't giving anybody on the team a lot of respect and I just wasn't having it so we got into shouting matches and I. I just wasn't having it. You can't do that star riders. I'm here I'm here for for fifteen hours working on your shit. You know what I mean like. Yeah anyway so so. We weren't getting along the bonus didn't bug me because that was their bones. That was rookies. Bonuses or Dave the first year so that part I just wanted my own deal and I'm I'm working AMMO and I'm like not happy like I'm not Getting anywhere and I cannot believe Yamaha miserable so when you're miserable Yamaha now are you. Are you planning to go to media. Where do you go from there? Like how. How do you go from factory after Yamaha to King of all media? Let's make that transition because who'd okay. I always when I was a real little kid. I would type Stories Superhero Superhero stories on a typewriter related. I've always loved reading. I read all Stephen King Books. I read so many sports autobiographies biography. That would make your head spin always love reading. Always been into stories always been well read. Let's say which is which is strange for motocross high school dude. What I could barely right right right and and even now when I see emails from like very important people and I'm like Oh my God anyways so keeping that in mind always English in journalism and English you know the semesters and stuff the courses the secondary courses so always been into that always read every MAG motocross magazine. Ever you always been into that part of it at at Oh. KTM IN. Oh One and Oh and Kelly Smith and I were winning the four stroke nationals. I would make makeup fake. PR's and send them out to the whole race team about. Because I was back east with Kelly I would make fake. PR's about domination before stroke nationals and on a finely tuned K. TMC AMC. Mathis prepped at Kelly Smith dominated competition so and they loved it back at the shop because Clark styles and so I had a flare Slamma slamma quote unquote flair for writing. But say yeah goes back to my superhero stories and I was typing superhero stories and they would just run on sentences but what arrived imagination right. That's getting the imagination. Yeah Yeah and so then okay to nick. Dot Com is these guys called the VR guys held websites for everybody. They started websites for all these riders. I ever websites all the riders signed up for him. And so I would right. They're still on. You can find them by the way nick. Way Behind behind the board They're still online. I would write a weekly blog but what I've been doing in a box Eh. And like all the Knicks results me driving a box men around so I was doing this blog. You know for the I had a little laptop or whatever so that was you know media stuff right. Yeah and and then I I started doing more and more and I remember talking to my Avon Mehta who I knew forever before Davey I remember talking to David and being like can I do anything they were just like now. Whatever three small mechanic like whatever but I always was into it and so then I left Yamaha they said you can work Voss I said no I'm not and I laughed and I got a job at parts? Limited Lou Lopez says who. I used to live with back ninety nine one of those times where I had to addresses. I live with Louis Sherry in Ontario California. He was a Son Star. Guy And Lula Louis now a high up parts limited and I said Hey I want to get onto mechanic thing. He found me a job as an F. brand manager and I was always doing that for the year. Two thousand six. That's when I moved to Vegas with by House I wanted to live here. I we want a Nice House Tucker meeting for merge racing that would have been oh seven seven okay after the parts that what you saw me then yeah okay. I was in Dallas. Yeah because I was writing I would go out and ride care supercross track once in a while because I was still trying China the dream a little bit. Did you carry that. I was reading it. No because he called me all pissed off like I broke into his track. It wasn't me. It was partridge. Remember Dallas. Sure if that was you okay. So but then I started doing stuff I couldn't get in. I couldn't get anything published in America really. Nobody really who I was but I enjoy doing it. I had imagination. Had the wherewithal I had the knowledge I thought to write pretty good Pretty well pretty good and but racetracks. Canada started around that time and those guys. I didn't know those guys because I remember on gone from Canada. I didn't know those guys. I know I knew one guy a little bit but me being Canadian and being in America they were like cool. Yeah right whatever you want you know what I mean like go ahead so they hired me and I was still doing the parts unlimited thing but I was now now. I was in the writing and writing on their website writing in their magazine. Everything else and now they got me going and then at some point David just said to those guys. Hey I'm taking mathis like I'm just taking him. Well I remember reading your stuff and just going like that. That's good. Yeah that's better than the stuff I read. That was the observation stuff that I started calling back then and I was I was real harsh harsher than I am. Now that's for sure is to say so much better than just kidding I had. NFC back then for sure you kind of you. And I I ah I was fresher out of the pits so I also had and I've noticed this now I'm now a media got everybody right. I'm not a mechanic. Those days are long gone John but when I was fresh out of it I could still talk to managers mechanics. Riders Them Not Really No. That was a media guy and then I would turn around and still secrets in rumors not not covered not stuff they would not. I wouldn't bless them out by name but I knew a lot more what was going on. I still know a lot but not as much back then. I felt like got a lot of information that I out in public. Because I'm like what the fuck care it's like it's sources like I'm not going to blow out that mechanic for telling me that but I'll put sources say this guy's going to test justice spike. So I had a lot more. I felt scoops back then than I do now because now media guy. Now it's like shut up mattresses around but back then I felt like shit man. I can get these guys that. Tell me anything you know what I mean like far on so that was really helping me. You know what I mean and then at some point David just told the race arts candidates. Hey I'm taking this. I'm just he's GonNa work for racer x now and added that the F. thing parts unlimited brand manager thing came to an end at the end of one year. That was a program paid out my salary and parts pay my salary. Well you know they'll be. PS has brand managers. It wasn't really working out. Because F was distributed by everybody and parts had no flexibility. So I would go into into a dealer as the representative for selling that for me. Yeah pretty much I would. I would give him the whole spiel. I bought a three hundred dollar foam case travel with I would go to whole spiel about aftermath and then it'd be like they would tell me thank you can get five dollars cheaper. WPA or Tucker will give me better term. I was with Tucker and I'm sure ember come men and and so everyone was buying from from other distributors because one thing I learned about dealers over the years is they'll slit their throat for five dollars like five to like twenty five cents. Yeah it's I wasn't making any sales and then I would go to F F and say. Hey I got this dealer. In in Jackal Wyoming homing can I put five buffers on his wall and then at six months if he'll ship the ones that he doesn't sell or whatever you know what I mean and they were just like no and I'm like okay. What can I do not really anything because parts wouldn't allow you to do anything and guys didn't want to upset? W PS or Tucker. So I was a guy that was not really doing much but I didn't but parts treated me right. They pay me. Well you know I liked everybody there but at the end of the year they said. Hey this isn't working out and I said yeah no shit they said you can do Cobra exhaust. Which street bike stuff right? Yeah and I'm like dude. I am not doing Kolber over stuff like I was still going to racist dear showcases on Friday nights. Yeah so still going. So I was writing going the race's hanging out working for parts and then that's a key moment what you did right there where you stayed with your core what you like some people. Just take the money and say Yeah I was like I'm noticing a pattern of that all the way through. That's what you do. That's that's probably been your key man you maybe maybe yeah and then I was just like hey I'm leaving and they're like okay cool and then sometime later they said well. Why didn't you just do the Moose Jaw? We have moose gear up and I'm like I'm like you guys didn't tell me that. And they said yes we did. No you didn't so anyways then. I went for merge racing from Michael Hall again to merge racing stuff Jim Lewis was there they had to just Balik jets. That's preloaded preloader Spicer's for the shock springs. Yeah and I asked you about those for supercross. You're like what ride that track. I lived there. I'm like okay. It was remember that I I was like dude wide a one year deal with Mike Hall again and after six months he calls me and says hey. We're letting you go and I'm like what are you talking about like I did get it's mortars done and I was spreading the word helping with race teams. Yeah now we're done. I'm Mike but I have a contract. Yeah we're done and I'm just like wow okay. I didn't know this can happen like this but I was out of a job and at that point I got serious journalism stuff and again though like now him doing that did that. Force you to kind of look at it and go okay. Now put up or shut up with his journalism stuff. Like I think that might be part of your success again. No plan be well again okay. So then I'm like. Hey Kooky like screw me over the last six months of our contract but I wanNA keep doing this journalism stuff so I gotTa keep going to the races. Oh Six oh six. Oh No I said one other races though you know you gotTa beat the racist to write about the racism talking about the racist right right. I think right around the now I'd start the podcast racetracks Canada. Like just a one on one podcast not the publisher and yeah so I was the races knocking. I'm not getting paid much from the media. Stuff trying to collect what I could hear. And they're doing some oversee stuff. At one point. Our American Express Bill was twenty three thousand dollars. Oh my God. The interest was six hundred a month. Or whatever you know but I had to go the racist so we were barely getting by and I'm like let's hope that this pays off and eventually did of course we no longer have at twenty three thousand dollars balance on our American Express but at some point I was like Holy Shit like this thing is pay how fast you know what I mean. So wow that's pushing the chips all in. Yeah pretty how did now. What's the beginning of pulp? Where did pulp come into the city? You're doing the podcast when racer x candidate broadcast clip from Racer X at one point. Yeah that's what maybe start pulp. I was doing racer acts. Everything's going Briley was my boss. Davie was the ultimate boss and I was doing. Racer Mike Watt. We're getting along really well because I used to read this blog aunt that he did and it was hilarious. This flagger guy so I knew I like Jason and we always we hit it off right away and what we did and we're gonNA raise her acts. I think I was making thirty as a part time contributor guy and then I was getting a little bit of money from podcast and things and and then at the end of whatever year that was away they said hey we gotta let you go. I'm like what like you guys like me. I like you guys. What and they're like? Yeah they just bought the nationals. I think by then they acquired the nationals exports did okay now when they when they acquired the nationals to the how how does that break down. Do you know how that breaks G or anything you just can't just write a check the DMZ and they run the national. Whatever they get to keep you know do you know if that's still the way it is I think so? Yeah so oh they said you're clipped and I'm just like dude like seriously people are listening to this like go back and listen to how many times I got clipped from things like a lot. The lighting where you're like you kind of get screwed like you're just like fuck plus just keep getting going back. Bat Hires me and I do. I worked there for a year and then racer x hires me back. How did that go down for ten thousand dollars more a year? I was stoked on that. So did you not have hard feelings feelings are at this point. You're just so used to getting clipped it's like I mean they they were cool about clipping me. They're like hey sorry we got this and this and this and we just can't we we want to keep you but we wanna pay per story and I said can you guarantee me anything they said no and I said I'm not doing that then so then on my Ada who I'd known forever said how are you transworld. So I went over to transport for more money and then and then at the end of transworld year came calling and I don on Mike how we look and he said Yeah I. Don't you know I don't know if I can renew your deal. And I said well racetracks offering me. Just take that so he was cool school. Yeah it was all good you know I never shit talked racer x one year transworld. I mean we never was like off like those guys like learned that from the Casey him deal really right so they brought me back. And I've been there ever since so I've been at racer x since two thousand and six except for one year so thirteen years but twelve years nineteen years total when you come back to Racer X. Yeah you got pulp. Yeah so I'm sorry that's the original question was yeah I got clipped racer acts and I'm like Holy Shit. I was doing a great job. Everyone loved my stuff. Everyone told me it was great and I still got clip. I can't have that happen anymore. Like I need to control my own destiny so I have a lot of things that racetrack's isn't going to run a four thousand word. Call him on rollerball but I want to write that yes or things like that or whatever and so I started papa as a bill gotta gotTa build it for me. A Canadian guy that built it for me real basic and that was the start of pulp amax. I'm putting all my stuff that doesn't fit anywhere over here and if you need to read my stuff you can go here and I just need to be in control of my own if shit go sideways again. You know what I mean that was. That was my whole thing thing. Like I can't believe I got let go from Racer X I can't believe it but shit happens but now fuck that I'm going to start my own thing and that way no matter what I can grow this thing and then now that was at first. It was just a website and the first time I ever saw your website. Somebody hit me up because you had a pitcher from the race of Champions Ninety. I'm like that's me Oh really yeah. Yeah 'cause I lost pitcher because it was in dirt rider. Something got it if it was you did you did. A quiz is the name of the riders in ninety. That's that's what I know that because Pat donohoe would have been from Minnesota. Yup and I raced against Tim. Yeah all the time and he looked like he was twelve years old so yeah Kalinowski was in there too. Oh well maybe that was why I did it but I knew a couple of guys in there so I got to do it to that year that he won the Canadian Mating Championship and eighty seven. He got the go to okay so anyways. So yeah that's how I started. And so yeah I would scan those magazines behind you and make funny articles and and I would put basset hounds in their game and I would write about whatever I wanted to do rollerball and all this stuff and I was just like I'm going to keep this up. And then of course. I was doing broadcasting by them. Starting podcasts candidates and so when does Paul Lindsay come to you and say. Hey let's do the shot Vegas Because Diem ex is doing their thing. Thanks very much but I honestly I bet you I listen to one or two episodes of the S. This David I like Kelly. I like Kevin. Those guys aren't my type of humor. I didn't really get what I didn't WanNa talk to the riders boy pooping and peeing. And all that kind of offensive those guys. If you like it you like you know. It's really good a in a different way for me. That was not what I wanted to hear the writers and all this stuff so I was telling Paul Linzie I want to start this live show. I WANNA obviously cookie loves Howard Stern and all that kind of stuff. I want to start a live show. That's a little bit morning radio a little bit Howard Stern ish about Moto and he was like I got the same idea. Yeah Dude like I WANNA do the same thing. I'm like we should combine forces and then you know I don flippant and Vegas already doing podcasting. So he was like well. I'll fly vegas. We'll do this. We'll call it the motor show. The first things were called the modal show I four or five episodes. It's called the Moto show and so and that was a lot of trial and error. Yeah but didn't you remember seeing those what they on racer acts or did you get promoted or how to promote it. Yeah it's just the breaking news or something something you know what I mean so yeah it was it was. It was one of those things so but then I like Paul but I quickly realized this wasn't GonNa were all. Paul was flying from Denver to Vegas. We had a sponsor that he said was committed for six months. Moto World Yeah. They were only lasted three shows before. They're like they told us. We're not not seeing any return from this. I'm like it's been three shows. Paul shows. Nobody's GonNa Height so they failed. We had no money Paul was. We're paying the paint flight plane flights for Paul. He was being way more of a nice guy than I wanted. I wanted the morning radio thing I wanted. A little more edgy. I wanted to. Paul was very corporate but very calm I remember every time it was a job interview. He was talking and he kept saying. I love this guy or that guy so we didn't jaw right away and it wasn't it really what I wanted and then Watson came in studio what I heard. He had some personal issues to where he was gambling. And doing some stuff. That shouldn't have been coming out to vegas all the time. I did not hear that. I don't quote me on that. That's I don't know I just I didn't hear that I didn't know that but anyways He was a nice guy but we were not gelling yelling and I remember literally after show one he leaves and I'm telling Pook this isn't good. It's not good. It's not a good show. The Red Bull. Yeah I was just slide but then Kenny Watson. The Great Kenny Watson comes in because he's Living Vegas is hard Huntington and everything he comes in. And he's I've known Kenny forever right and Matt. He's Jabbing Paul and he's being Kenny. And I'm like now. This is what we can work with. This character named Kenny Watson. This and can't he's always always been the most unique guy industry good and bad not. Always good polarizing polarizing. This can work and then at some point Paul. I think I was like. Hey Paul Kenny's coming back in you know giving me a side I am I. Yeah but listen. We've got an entertaining people. We can't have two guys droning on or whatever so we gotta entertain people also Watson came in. Paul wanted to quit. We had no money anyways coming in. Paul quit because motor world. Dropped out and Paul wanted the we. We bought some equipment with some of the initial money and Paul said You keep the equipment. I want the name and it's cool because I wanNA I wanNA call Mexico anyway. You know what I mean like. I don't WANNA call them auto show so he kept the name and I got the equipment not all of it but we didn't. I had some of the stuff and then Watson came coast and then it took off Watson got US Watson got US I said. Can you need some money like server bills and everything else that we we gotta get paid and Kenny. Got Us three thousand dollars in a week. Because he's Kenny duties and and that was it so we had. We had the racist John Up in Valley we had gibbs. I think he got a thousand bucks from Gibbs Joe Gibbs of your producer on from from Koi promote JR Motor Stan. I remember that N. T. R. E.. And then somebody else and then we were off. That was it. We had three thousand dollars and then and then I started going the races aces and hearing people say that case. Say That and I'll be like oh we got something now like now we now. We're onto something because Kenny would be Kenny. And I would not not scared either and then we started gaining traction like in in the The pets and I'm like okay. We got something now. Now we have this dream of you know whatever so I think sorry interrupt you. I think I've been good my whole media career and this is and I was just telling me about this the other day I think I can pick out people who are entertaining people who are interesting and and I can also pick out. I also and I've had people tell me this. I've met people in industry and you know the the industries not always full of good people. I've met people in industry industry and been like Your D. bag and then I'll tell somebody like. Hey I think it's kind of a d. bag and then the big he's cool and then not guy will turn out to be a D. bag and they'll be like. Hey Math is you're right and I don't know I'm not saying I'm like I see dead people a little kid on success. I'm not that way but I think I have and I'm not always right. Don't be batting thousand here. But I do think. I have an innate ability to determine someone's character slash Interesting personality people. I don't know it's But so watson found Watson right found the seventies stews find these guys that will fill your like I can work with this guy and I find co host Keefer. You know I'm like Hey Chris Pretty cool like let's get back up here you know or or any of these guys. I'm like yeah. Let's see here. That could help me do a good show and consequently there's some people in the pits. I don't like your bag and I wanna talk to you again. But I've had that ability I do think I have that skill and it's an extremely valuable skill that you've probably had to hone through sleeping in and you hold it all the way through and it's not like that's something that just develops enough people right during the ups and downs of your grind and in college. I feel like I kind of had that skill to and I can tell. I don't know how I can't tell you even know why but I look at somebody like dude I don't you just get out like like all your senses. Go off. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I think I think so. There's been a few guys in the pits like that over the years and I'm not always right you strike out on some people one of the guys ready pretty solid. If you're wondering struck out on his myrtle like Lucas Myrtle. I didn't like him. I know he worked with Jeff Ward team. When he got that going there was some things shady things on there and I didn't like like myrtle and he's an agent so I still have one? I still have one ear open as far as Hayes could be using me but he told me about the fourth thing. He told me what had happened happened. He admitted that there were things that went south that he didn't handle really well and I'd like to think we're friends now and I was wrong about him but there's an example of a guy that I was wrong with. Is he perfect note. But but you know he's a guy that I I was initially off on but there's been many other guys that I'm like that guy that deuce bag and then turn out to be what other things I look at people if they seem so perfect. Nobody's perfect if you can't see some of your flaws. What are you hide? It trips me out or you run around telling everybody how smart you you are the dumbest guy in the right. Yeah all right So do you ever wonder you ever been interesting for you to yes how about you. It's been fun. Yeah I feel like I feel like I've told us that before but that's fine. I don't care it's all tied in and once you've ever told it all once in a timeline. So do you ever think think back and think about your childhood and I do this a lot and I probably shouldn't it'd probably not healthy to look back and say okay if my bike doesn't bog here and I don't get hurt and I win this race. What happens because I was racing Gaddis and broke my arms? Do you ever wonder what you could do. You know a couple miles no I I don't I don't I was never told you I was only good because I grind it out I wrote a ton and grind it out and I was tough and I never had skill on a motorcycle as far ars like a lot of skill like so. No I don't think about that I I just I think too many people I think too many people I think too much about that and they get haunted by it like and then maybe that's where yeah I just like it is what it is and like even Kooky will tell you that now like we'll have some some big issue with our relationship or life itself or her parents or my parents or some life issue that comes up and she's always like like what's wrong. What's wrong with you and I'm like it's done? It's over we gotta move on like we got to figure out how to move on this event happened. There's no sense reliving this thing. What are we going to do to fix it? What are we gotta do to to live with it? You know what I mean like. That's always been my attitude like if you go back and think thing about that stuff it'll kill you. You know what. I'm sure there's a moments like you know. Like I wish I hadn't told Ron he'd been to pound sand and you know whatever like that's no big deal it is what it is you live. We live in the future and you live in the future. What what can I do in the future to prevent this issue or or fix this issue and that's it so no? I never think about how you know how I could have made it as a dirt biker like no way you know what I mean like so none of that But I just I just this is such a fucking cliche. It's such a cliche but it is true. Like you got to want it. How bad do you want it that no fit stupid? No fear poster dude. It's true to universe how many times I don't know anyone. I don't know that I've ever met anyone that's been fired as much as you have been like even like so. We got the hockey game on here. Right and it's in the background. I've got some buddies that made it to the NHL or they made it to high level hockey the miners or whatever a few of them were never even probably in the top ten most talented guys on their team. They never gave up. They didn't party. They didn't meet a chick they didn't give up on the Dream Team. They just put their head down kept playing the game and they got to be a professional hockey player. And they weren't like some you know gnarly Wayne Gretzky type a guy you you know what I mean so just how bad do you want it. How bad that? I WanNa be a mechanic bat. How bad that I want to be a media guy bad and I made it and and whether it's that or whatever you can give up or you can just keep trying and that and they eventually eventually something will happen where you know? You can't try anymore something some you knock up your chick you'll you'll you'll have an illness you'll have have a family thing where you're just like I can't do it but but never give up right the way I look at it. And what an listen to this. It's like you'd never give up but you also didn't keep hitting your head against the same brick wall you moved around it. You just figured out a way you didn't you didn't have to do that. No I agree but I wanNA finish this now. Okay I got some some silly questions I think are kind of funny okay. Well if you're in jail and I go to and I said you gotta guess what he's in jail for to get him out what's Jt GonNa say disturbing the peace. You'd think they'd arrest you for that. Just get a ticket for that. I don't know Bro. Okay if Kooky could change one thing about you. What would she change? Probably we'll be adding more emotion into me because like I was saying that with whatever happens in your life. I'm just like moving on like I'm not going to attach meant yeah. I'm not going to spend time crying or thinking about that. I'm GonNa just move on. We'll do you think you got your dad and asked to focus. Probably do I think she would like more more emotion for me like more like I'm okay. Everything's like I think about Keefer. What is key for say on the show? Like I don't know if he's he's must have said on the show but he always just does this with his hand moving motionless. Just I'm just that way. You know what I mean like. He's just like he's like. Oh you're just after you have a great day you're like good but I'm like yes. Yes but if I have a bad day I'm like a move on to hi. Don't go right right but I think it goes back to your dad and do you couldn't survive with your dad being and that way if you couldn't handle that almost built up a tolerance I think a lot of how we are as people and this is any walk of life is how you were as a child. It's crazy ray. That's really crazy about it if you're if you're a bully if you're weak if you're funny you know you're always a US version of your child. Your shots yeah. It's funny because I was a child. My brother's Kinda Dick. He always kicked my ass. I'm six foot four not twenty. Yeah I still feel like I have to fight everyone right right. Yeah Yeah Okay. So twenty years two thousand nine hundred and we're going to go to two thousand thirty nine where are you what are you doing and be serious. None of this. I'm retired and stuff because you're going to be in this industry. I what am I gonNA do. I'M GONNA be sixty years old by then and I'm not going to the pets. You don't think you'll be. It'd be running a team. What are you what do I do? I know you tell me. Yeah does the company Bizet Company. Hire me to marketing guy. I don't know this is the question I'm asking you. Yeah I don't know I don't know I mean I'm putting a lot of money away into into retirement army stuff you know you never have enough but yeah what do you do in retirement. What does Steve Mathis? Do in retirement. E Bike non-stop unstop nonstop. What we do? Yeah okay good requested. I really don't know I don't I don't want to just do this forever her. I just don't so well in your your whole you've never stayed with something. That's what's really good as you have evolved all the way through and I'm sure you should be exciting to see where you have to next. Okay One last thing about the sport final question you found a genie. Yeah and it says guess what Will Smith it could be. Yeah could be will. Smith's giving you one question or one one thing you can as a gene gene lab confused if we don't allow yes he was. Yeah I knew Robin Williams. I don't know there's some jackass gene. He's he says you know what Steve You can change one thing about the sport of Motocross supercross. That's it one no more no less. What are you changing? I'm I'm combining supercross and motor costs into one organization and then having one person run it like having one person own it all. I like it so that that person can get the sport aligned. Get everybody lined and make the right decisions. Because right now we have AMA and we have F I. Am and we have failed and we have exports and we got the OEM's and nobody fucking cares about the other side. They're all just self serving their own south. Nobody is looking out for the sport. Nobody he looked for the sport when I decided four-stroke limits for five hundred fifty keys. Nobody thought of it. And so we've had a lack of foresight in our sport forever and so to have now is a bill. France or Bernie ecclestone or Gary Bettman in hockey or Roger. Goodell are they. They always perfect. Hell no but I think I'll take that I'll take the guy making the decisions over the monopoly. Monopoly is not the right word over the Cornucopia of people we have now. So that's my that's my wish. I like that's awesome heading being into the electric generation. I think we need to do. Because that's coming. Yeah Yep Yep so thanks man. I really appreciate. This has been absolutely awesome. I think you're listening to enjoy it. I enjoy it. Yeah I'm listening. I enjoyed it so well. That's all that matters right. People liked it is a little bit of A. Yeah I mean I didn't tell the same story so that's good I. You didn't ask me about summer costs which is great hurdle. I know. I've heard a lot of this. I really wanted to know what made you tick. I never have heard you actually go deep right right. Well uh-huh a little Joe Rogan on. Okay I hope you hope you enjoyed it. I think I think people you know they may not have heard everything at once. Spot or whatever right so Ten twenty years. We'll do we go fly racing racer x podcast with Chris Cooksey course. I'm Steve Mathis. Thanks to L. Stars Maxwell thanks for listening and and yeah please enjoy the show. Thanks for listening to the fly racing Steve Baptist. Show don't forget to check out some of our past shows including motorcross legends such as boy Johnson handlers. It was joke in over to the side. The tendons were jerking and weird places and my biggest disappointment Danny store because they never said sorry to Danny and I were friends and we've never talked since Louis before the five hundred events David I fly to Germany. Go down to stood guard. There's this little shop at the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take them back and off. We go and we ran. Nicosia cylinders is a battery park breath handful of years before anybody ever saw in production day. An Miguel was all you know he did the big pancake thing. And he's got the thing he's completely. We were on the gas tank trying to miss his and he would have gone. Even harder jumped farther. If that tree hasn't been you know hadn't been there. I love the guy. I don't think he's the greatest competitor sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent in my mind firmly. Believe that statement I said about these modern. Hey guys in Switzerland or Belgium forty five minutes on

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John August

Never Surrender

48:31 min | 3 months ago

John August

"On this episode of never surrender. It was deeply frustrating. I had to sort of morning. And i'd been through enough situations of projects dying to recognize. It's never turned back. I'm never going to get it back. I have to sort of move. Odd thing i can't. There's nothing i can do can change the situation so therefore i have to acknowledge that. That's the thing that's happened in thrift. Move onto the next state of and but it was. It's really tough because you know this thing. Is you know something that probably have your name up. No control over it and it's frustrating. Because to have spent much time in it and in some ways it would be easier than actually just died. I'm jack target. And i'm stephen kramer glickman and this is never surrendered the show where we sit down with the most successful people in the entertainment industry and talk about failure and how they push through it and never gave up because we've all failed. We've all had setbacks. We've all questioned whether to keep going but at some point everybody struggles. Yeah i mean. I've been let go from some of my favorite jobs. You and me both. We just hope that. By listening to this podcast. It will help. Give me the strength to never surrender. Our guest today is responsible. For some of the greatest blockbusters in the movie business. He's the screenwriter behind the movies. Go charlie's angels big fish and charlie and the chocolate factory most recently. He co wrote the twenty nine hundred nine live action adaptation of the disney classic aladdin. He's also an accomplished author. Writing the successful fiction series are low finch but his success is our writer. Did not happen overnight. He's had his scripts passover projects cancelled and struggled to make it in the business but he never gave up. This is john. Hey thanks so much for being here. it's a pleasure to be here. I'm usually on the other side of the table. Recording podcasts podcast. So it's strange to be the guest but it's nice. Let's start with how how this all began for you in your career where When did you decide to become a writer. Because i know originally it was journalism. Where did it go from journalism into just just in general just being a writer. How did that was a writer so even growing up in colorado. I would write stories right now for school newspaper. I thought i wanted to be maybe a journalist because that's a professional writer and so i could do that. Went to journalism school. At drake university and wallace they are discovered there's such a thing as screenplay that the movies are written for their films which seems so obvious. Now everyone talks about that but no one was really talking about. This isn't the late eighties. And i was reading. My premiere magazine. I saw like nor ephron is a screenwriter. There's a person who writes movies. And i once i was able to find my first script. Which was steven soderbergh script for sex lies and videotape verse when i could buy in a bookstore because they had the script and had its production. Diaries and i could watch the movie and flip through the script of like everything. They're saying everything they're doing. It's in the script. I and which was such a revelation which seems so again obvious now that it was not obvious to me at the time so once i read that script i decided okay. I really want that job of being the person who writes the movies before they become movies. So i applied to film school and i came to los angeles and started. What was the first thing he wrote. The first the first thing i wrote. I wrote a the first part of this of this movie. I wrote the short film that a friend really wanted to direct and it was about a young woman who tries to pull off a tiny drug deal at christmas and is road as short and people say. Oh that's well written. The friend never made the movie but it sat there and then went off and wrote a full script for a romantic tragedy said colorado. It was my first full length screenplay it was kind of overridden here now here now yeah it was kind of a written but it got you know people reading it got me an agent got started and you know not too long thereafter. I was being hired to write. How fried worms which the kids book application. Oh my god of course and now the time which was not. The move came wrinkle time. But i got my chance to sort of adapt some books i love. Just not not the film with giant oprah. We're not. We're not based on the book but a different different chain of title leading set. One sure and while you were still in school graduate i graduate point so this was two years out of film school by that point had done. While i was in film school i was doing the classic things. You do internships where you read scripts for places and right of coverage which are these reports for the screenplay i was doing that i ended up getting a job writing that coverage and so it'd be paid one hundred dollars a scripture to write up these reports and a burn a hole in your brain. You'd we just a ton of scripts it was really good training and figuring out what my actual taste was like. What i to see on the page and what i didn't see on the what never worked for me and so i was trying to write the same time as reading all the scripts when you had written here now and if i'm correct i guess your instructors took it took a liking to the script and send it to an agent. He knew and then he started going out on meetings in. What was that process. Like taking these your first hollywood meetings exposed to different agents agencies. What was that like. A professor had read the script and senate to and asia. She knew and i just remember coming home from work every day. And looking to see whether there's a new message on the answering machine. Because i kept. I was just so all my hopes are pinned on the fact would would this agency a. I've actually read it and gone back to us and said she loved it like all. Your hope is pinned on one thing person. You can't control and you're waiting to hear news so like three weeks pass. Four weeks passed and nothing happened. So what were you doing in that time. Just sort of like. I wasn't crazy or not. I was writing other stuff. And i was trying to on was probably writing at that point. Okay so. I was during a summer where i had. An internship between two years of school and i was working in the physical production department universal. And i had a job. That was really unnecessary. Like filing a couple papers a day and just sort of sitting around and so i would come home from work having not used my brain at all so i work for three or four hours. I would handwrite pages every night and then over lunch like in the university cafeteria i would type of those pages and so i really got through a lot of work in that summer and finished outlook ultimately became go. How did you know you're good. At what point did you say. I'm pretty good at this. I can make a career out of enough people. Said it was pretty good at it. But i started to believe them. And it started with the thing i i described. Which was this tiny drug deal happening at christmas. I'd written it as a short thirty pages long but people read it. I think that's actually the best thing you've right. And i really liked that. And i'm curious what happens to all these characters next is that would get got cultivated into go. I became x. Was the short. Yeah yeah and then it became go so it was just the first section that ultimately became the movie go inside written this tight little short film. I knew i couldn't expand from the inside. So i restarted at twice in that. Became the movie go that became the first screenplay i sold independent. It wasn't an assignment. I ruin the whole thing. We sold to somebody i. I was twenty years old when i came out in the movie theater. I was living in new york city and I went to see the film and then immediately was like. Oh i should go to a rave. I'm not a person that takes drugs. I'm not a drug person per se. I'm i got to said rave in new york city and i started panicking dangerous place and i actually called my mom at twenty years old back in california. Going help handle they leave this place. It's very scary. And there's a lot of people. Dancing to new tune erotica jew to be. There's not a lot of neurotic. Jewish at the go go film. There's a more j. Moore's a little neurotic. But i definitely saw that movie and then ran out and tried to do the thing and i was like. I am not qualified to do to do this. This is not qualified to rave fight to raise qualified to rave. How much of that film is autobiographical. I would say a lot of the a lot of my inner life is autobiographical in that movie. I'm very much clearer character in that movie. I'm the one who wants to hang out and wants to have fine but it's always sort of a little bit the wet blanket. Who is that. Is that really good idea who ends up. Ultimately having the best time of everyone and because they i always approach things sort of low expectations or you know nervousness and then wednesday breath through those. I ended up having a great time but it's autobiographical insensitive. My experience being in my twenty s was like you can just do really stupid shit and somehow you survive. And how did that film attract producers or how did that get into the development pipeline in luck and so really what happened. Is we send out a script to the town. So all the studios read it. A bunch of producers read it and everyone liked. It said this is really well written. We made. that doesn't have that sort of the teen elements that you sort of expect to have that movie so it got me a better meetings but no one wanted to actually make it except for one tiny little production company called banner. Who said we can't pay you very much money at all. But we'll have a producer he'll stay involve the whole time so i said let's do it. Let's stick it out and so we went out to directors founded lyman. Who just on swingers. Sure we started casting. We've found this great. Cast the couple of weeks away from filming. Everything fell apart our foreign financing. Said you know we need a white male star between these ages and these ages and there was no white male star for it but in that time we put together this cast which was actually terrific and so the same cast be the same cast. Yeah so we have. Sarah polley who people like to lot katie holmes. Who hadn't done anything. People really high on her from. The dolphins doesn't come out yet but people knew she was good. Yes she'd been in the ice storm you know we had scott wolf who was a tv star. Jay more people recognize so people like that catherine so we were able to get a distributor taking worldwide. And so it. Was this weird thing where we became a columbia picture overnight and rail shooting. So how close was it going like it was going on. I mean the plug pulled and other producers. I had just sat down to the phones and called. Everybody knew to see if anybody would step into take over the movie. Did you sleep during that time. Like a a wall like after it had been the plug had been pulled like until the movie was picked up. Yeah i i. Luckily i was busy doing other things so i really wanted to go to happen but i also had other stuff to do if if it if it had been my only thing that i think i would have just melted down but because i had other stuff to write for other folks i knew it would be okay but it has a really knew i wanted to move to to make so it's situations where like sometimes i'm really reluctant to pick up the phone and call people but i wasn't in this case it's like if it had good general meeting over someplace mike. Okay you said you liked the script so this is your chance to make the script with this cast and with this director. Say yes just. Please say yes. And we were lucky that andrea janetti and bricky strauss over. Sony said yes and we got the manage. Do it because amazing. That's so cool. Go ended up becoming such a big cult classic and people love. That movie was successful film and it did it. Did you feel like that puts you on a good track. As far as being somebody that people could rely on. That would make a movie that can make money and and do well. Yeah it's weird because the script got a lot of attention and sort of got me. A lot of media got me started on work because people could look at the script and they wanted to see so if they want to accommodate that they like oh he can funny. They wanted action. Oh you can write action or you can write drama it could. It could see whatever they wanted to see in it which was useful which is great but you start off with that intention like i want to write a script that has all these different sort of genres under one roof and then people can see what they want to see and demonstrate. My abilities does with that intention to some degree. So i finished the script after already been hired to do record time. And how did worms that point had been kind of pigeonholed as a person who adapted kids books and so i was only getting sent stuff with like gnomes elves dwarves and christmas. Why would you get pigeonholed. Just because those are the two you know official writing samples people could read and they were they were. They were kids comedies. Or or kids trauma theory really young so when i finished go and could send that out as a thing. It's like oh. I can do something else beyond what you're sort of sending to me and that got me a whole new round sort of the water bottle tour of los angeles where you go and sit in these general meetings like drink bottled water as you talk about the things you want to write in what they want you to write and you meet all those people Then then coming up right on the heels of that is titan a e now. I wanted to ask you about this. Because i was a little confused. I know that you were writer on that movie but also it says that ben edlund ends in sweden were also writing on so did you guys together as a team or you got hired into write a draft of it and other people got tired to write a draft out of that work So in animation but also in live action features. Sometimes a person writes on it for a while and then they go away and the person comes on so rewriting. It's pretty common especially in animation. So what i came onto titan a e it was. I think go had shop ahead. We're still editing. And so i had no movies to my name and they were bringing me into just do some dialogue work on the script. And i'm not sure i'm not quite sure and see what's events i was before man who was after but it was a scripted. Had been around for a while. So i did the work i could do on it. I think we went through three directors. The month i was working on it was changing in terms of the approach. The visual approach. But i wrote on it and you know tried you. Do the character work. They wanted and then just go away and then two years later you see of the film. It's like oh some west of there. Some stuff is very different than what i had written. And that's okay. It's where you feel like you know. I knew i was just. I was carrying the ball for certain distance. I sometimes you describe the difference as like. There's movies where i'm clearly artist. I had the vision and this is my vision. And this is how it's going to be sure is other times where i'm the cabinet maker where i'm just providing my craft to sort of make this thing work better but it's not my movie at all and so tight knees not move at all of it. I wrote some on it. I deserve just the credit. I get which is like authored. So here's a question that i have for you so this movie comes out tiny which you have a apart in in in the creation of the movie. It's like something somewhere. In the realm of production budget was seventy five million and it made like thirty million or so worldwide now. Does that have any effect on your career at all now. Does it now. Not not that does affect you. Did it affect you emotionally in any way or were you just like nope not mine and just kind of a continue. Yeah it was actually a very good lesson in that you know. That was the movie that i made. That had my name on it. But like i had so much less emotional investment in it than twenty other movies. I've written in that time. Were even written before then had a tremendous investment just by roll. The dice had not happened. And so i'm really happy for the movie. But it's not sort of mine in a meaningful way. When i'm always curious about because i i was in a movie that And the budget was seventy around seventy two million and then the movie made around two hundred million and i remember panicking like the whole. I like two three weeks of it being out going. Oh my god. This isn't gonna. This isn't gonna do well and one of two and like what's going to happen. Is it my fault and like neurotic. But but i was like really worried about like what i could have done to do better and i just an actor on it then you know but but that's what i'm so curious about too is like when you write a movie and the movie comes out and it doesn't do exactly what you were hoping it would do what you do that do you deal with. How do you do with it. You does it matter to you or do you. Kind of say like well. I did my part and i was. I'm proud of what i did and you just kind of move on. There's a moment earlier in the process where you go through a lot of those emotions in process and that's when as a writer you see the first cut of a movie so when a movie has shot and you're sitting down in a little screening room and you're seeing the first cut and it. It's really nerve wracking because you don't know whether the things we were on the page really worked on the screen. You don't know how it's all going to come together. And in the case of go like i saw the first cut and i quickly off the theater and i thought it was going to throw out. I didn't throw up but then it came back in just like it just didn't work. I mean they're fundamentally things in work. And i couldn't remember what was in the script like i was there for every moment we shot. I was was seconds. So i was there for the whole time. And i'm seeing this mc. I don't recognize this movie at all. I remember thinking like maybe there's movie can never come out because it's so bad i know will hurt me. It could be better if this movie didn't come out and What didn't know. Then which i've realized afterwards is that i always dreadful and especially for the writer who comes. It pretty cleaned the experience. You're you're watching the. Oh my god. This is an absolute disaster. And then you start doing the work and you start you. Write up the notes and short of trying to get seen by cnn shot-by-shot mumbai moment to get it back to where it intricate which is not the screenplay which was the plan for making the movie right but for like with the movie we actually shot. What is the best version of that. And so it's figuring out how you're going to take what's shot and then if there are going to be reshoots figuring out like what the re-shoots would be. That would make this all possible. And so i had to both of those things in did you reshoots on redirect crucial that that allowed us to bridge over some problems. You know. find new solutions for things so a lot of the ending. Reshot what was different about the ending. We just realize okay. The movies not working. So i wrote news stuff to do that. New connective bits. That's her get claire into connecting with gains again. Just sometimes simple logic. Things reached needed new shots but sometimes they really are new scenes. Yeah now you you've developed I want to get into talking about your relationship with tim burton. But before we get to that. Charlie's angels oh amazing. Oh my god the first movie so tries to the second movie was really cool to though thank you both cool movies thank you. The second one was harder situation. Which i can't really look objectively. I got really drunk last year and watched it for the first time came out live tweeted my experience of says it came out but the first movie was a great experience. It was that sense of you know just approaching it. Just sitting down on a couch withdrew and talking through what the movie felt like what we wanted to feel like and then only go out from emotional point of view and which was sort of to be really proud of these girls who are giant dorks. When they're off when they're not on the job at really professional on their on the job given that feeling right then i had to sort of reverse engineer a whole plot. That could actually support these characters. Who will and it was as experience really really really hard to make and there were fights everyday just because you have a bunch of really creative people who all have different visions for exactly how. It's going to work every day. I described it as fighting the monster. You weren't quite sure who was going to be monsters from as you were gonna be the monster but there's always a monster to fight and everyone had to gather together to fight the monster and that way kind of through the whole thing and there was also tremendous love and The town was really against us. Everyone assumed that the girls were fighting with each other which they weren't and Then we the trailer was awesome and then like we had a vision for like. Oh it can feel the trailer and we re cutting re-shoot the movie to actually match that that spirit and played. Like getting busters. Charlie's angels was so much different than the original show. it was so much cooler and so much more Positive towards women and the way that they worked and then and and so funny and nerdy and like it was just. It was cool. Cool film really fun. I say it was cool. Just checking with our producers. I pretty sure. I said it was cool. We really wanted to be a giant hug around the original series not be a spoof of the original series but you really embrace it for all its flaws. But it's all it's wonderful. And so we'd like to the girls and charlie's angels in the original series. Those women they were friends probably weren't friends in real life but it felt like they were a team as we wanted that silly. I always described it as it's about these three princesses who worked for their father. Who's the king but who they never met because this is weird fairytale quality and and just really embracing that that feeling. That's parrot and then that movie kind of set you up for adapting things. More being the guy who can adapt stuff. Because you've done that a lot. I've done that a lot of amazing guests. Yeah i did get some other. Tv stations did a fantasy island. That i really love. That never happened. But at the same time i was doing. Charlie's angels. i've gotten the rights to the book big fish and so i ended up at sony and so i had a heart on pas while i was doing. Charlie's angels go back and do that and that was again and example of like okay. You think only do this kind of thing. But i do something more than that and so i was able to write. That script showed out. This is a broader range. You can consider me for. Yeah and when you're adapting something like big fish or charlie's angels or any other products apted like how what is your mindset going into it. Are you conscious of. Gotta be really careful with what i do. I don't want to mess this up are you. Oh i want to bring some new things into this. I want to bring a new voice a different point of view. How sacred are you to the original material. And are you comfortable like veering off into some newer territory. I think you always have to be really mindful of what works about the original. Or how much of a works about the original. Wants to come with you into the movie version but you have to remember that you're always making a movie. You're not just taking a book or original series and like putting it through a machine to turn out the work. It has to really be experienced of two hours sitting in a theater watching it on screen. It's going to work and so sometimes you can be very direct and so the allegation of factories. Really direct adaptation of that book. And so i would say half of a sentence. If i knew but i added the things that needed to be there to fill flush out the rest of it. Big fish is vastly different than the underlying book and so when i met with the author the rights. I had to tell him that. Like listen. i'm going to probably change almost everything but it won't change the spirit of what your book is about. I won't change the idea of your book but the characters the actual incidents the plot is going to be really different. So just bear with me. But i think you'll like it and they know authors credit really. Trust me there and is that because you feel like it's in. The book doesn't work as a film i knew didn't work a film i it was just. It's a bunch of little tiny anecdotes. Don't stitch together. Well had a flow. And i needed to really create a new structure to tell the story so the miskelly callaway character and all a circus does not exist in the book and it was basically just a real big ten that could take all these little small stories and put them in this context You know the father son split works very differently in the book so it was really rethinking everything so like as you guys moved on from big fish to franken weenie right. What's franken meeting next. No no no surprise. Bride was corpse bride adapted as well. Of course right is an adaptation. And i was not the first writer. Pamela hitler come on that before then. It was adaptation of an old folk tale. And that was a situation where they were that. Built the puppets. They were getting close to production and stuff just wasn't quite working and so the fly over to london and met with her and i said you know what i really need some songs. I know. tim doesn't want us to be musical. But i really need a song to sort of set up this world and so you know that not all. I wrote According to plan which the opening song for it. Oh my god and then danny alvin came over and he wrote music and semi convinced. You know we convinced him that. If i could have another song it'd be this one this one and we just sort of wedged a bunch of songs that there and it worked and so so that was head you written songs before britain music profile. I wrote the song that's in the original big fish so twice the love written down so i wasn't. I wasn't afraid to do it. But i just assumed i could do it. How so with your process with ten so when you're working on big fish with him. How does that lead to either projects that we talked about. Franken weenie corpse bride charlie. Chocolate factory dark shadows. How does. How does your collaboration with tim. Grow in continue. Are you bringing projects to him. Is he bringing projects to you. He's always he's always bringing stuff to me All those things you describe things that he brought to me so charlton chocolate factory. He signed on to do it and he'd sign on without really a scripture to sort of work off of and so i sat down with them. I brought with him when i was in third grade. We had a famous person. And so everyone was running into. You know farah fawcett or or or jimmy. Carter and i wrote a role doll and roll. Joel had written me back. And so i had a postcard from doll. Know from nineteen. Seventy eight seventy six. And so i brought that and show him but asks brought my experience of what challenge victory mench me as a kid reading it and i remember how i kept thinking that charlie bucket was so lucky not because he got a ticket but because he lives little house with all the people he loved and how sad i felt for willie walker because he lived all alone has giant factory with no one just weird dilemmas and that was really my way into factories. Just that char- charlie. Bucket is not a protagonist who needs to grow and change. He's actually a perfect little kid you don't he doesn't have like a huge thing to overcome whereas willy wonka has really broken person who needs some help and so that that would be more the protagonist and so that was flipping those rolls around and is that has good. Do whatever you need to. I want everything from the book. And it's much more as you need and it was a twenty minute meeting. But could i knew tim well enough. By that point that i could write things. I knew how. Tim's and a lotta an orthodontic headgear. He's a he's a he's a knock that out of the park so it was. It was great. We all right for tim. And at that point i just assumed it was going to be johnny and you know right with them in mind is grade. There's still a lot more to come with john august when we come back So after working with. Tim burton on multiple films. We get to dark shadow and you wrote on this movie for for a very short period of time and then you off basically you story by. There's like you have a story by credit on your credit in some way so something happened where where something changed in the process of you writing with for two breath. That's a fair thing happen to you. If you see a story by credit in someone else get screenplay credit like something else. Something in a tim. Burton and johnny. Depp came to me with dark shadows. They've gotten the rights to it. They really wanted to kadarshian movie. I said of course yes. And i read all the books and shadows got familiar with the series and what i pitched. Described is probably best thought of as. It's like the godfather vampire at the center. And so so it's it's a multigenerational family saga but with vampire at the heart of it and so i went to maine. I did all my research. I sorta barricaded myself there. Really try to write. And i was really happy with the script. Everyone's happy with the script and it was a complicated. I thought we had done really well. But in the year that was writing that Twilight and true blood came out and suddenly vampires. Which weren't sure if it were everywhere. And so i got word back that. Johnny andrew tim or some combination Really wanted to push against all that stuff and make it funny and the thing i written didn't most comedy in that but it was not a funny movie so another writer came in and i don't know what ever happened to that draft. And but i. I need a credit dick zanuck. Who was the producer of big fish big fish and was reducer of dark shadows. He was the one who called me to tell me that i was being replaced that they're going to for direction at someone else's writing movie and that phone call was one of the top fifteen terrible moments of my life and yet it was such incredibly classy move on his part to make that call which is such a difficult. Call that people wanna try to skirt around or do an email or how the agent call but like no. It's my responsibility to call and tell you that this is happening to sort of sit on the phone in your frustration and grief and let you rant about it and frustration was was good and so you know my ship with him. Remained remarkable to the pathway. Now but i was always respected. Sort of what he did that really awkward awful phone call. Wow so the movie dark shadows. I read the final script. I've ever seen the movie. It has been on it and some people like it. But it's definitely not the movie is set out to make. And i think my biggest frustration is that there's there's no universe i think in which does movie i wrote will ever get made. And how long does it take. You remember from having such a close relationship with tim. Having spent so much time on the moving. When something like that happens to you you kind of dive yourself into the next project. Is you take some time to mourn it. You know how to ice cream involve asking is nice cream involved and what flavor you know what. I was lucky. The other things for me to work on so again like all megs weren't in that basket but it really was. It was deeply frustrating. I had to sort of morning. And i'd been through enough situations of projects dime that to recognize. It's never coming back. I'm never going to get it back. I have to sort of move onto the next thing i can't. There's nothing i can do can change the situation so therefore i have to just acknowledge that. That's the thing that's happened and sort of move onto the next state of and but it was. It's really tough because you know this thing. Is you know something that probably have your name on it but you have no control over it. It's it's frustrating. Because to have spent much time in it and in some ways it would be easier if it actually just died. Now when it comes to there are some pitches that you have gone out in pitched and we're gonna talk about some of these. You did a pitch for ghostbusters. Pitch ghostbusters for a time. There was going to be. There was talk of doing animated ghostbusters. And i can pitch a lot and a certain person maker did not like it. At all really was experiencing person named so i had the experience of going into a room and pitching for a ton of executives and it going really the pitch going really really well. And that have one of the key decision-makers just completely rip down the pitch like in front of me in a way that was like. Wow that is just crazy. This is actually happening right here right now. The knowledge that this is the thing that's happening here. And so i said left the room. i speed. dial my agents like give me like basically have what pass right now. Because i wanted to pass before they passed on me because it was clear like this is never going to happen but i wanted to be on the record that no no no. It was my decision not to do that. I'm just wanna say speaking of disappointments because this is what the podcast is. Al about You also four television where you develop a show called s by all accounts. didn't go. Well i think he even stated on your blog. It was a major disappointment. So i just of wanted to circle back with you about that and see what that was like for you know what the difference was between a writing features and getting into tv and like. Was that what you expected. Why was it a disappointment. How did you sort of recover from from that. Experience was a tv. Show that i'd set up at the wb network and so the the idea behind it was like it's post felicity about these young people living together in this house in dupont circle. Different jobs around town and the pilot was pretty good. Politics is pretty good. The power the shot was okay and it was good enough that we got to pick up for midseason and so then we started actually making the show. And that's when. I realized that i owe shooting a pilot was like making tiny movie but shooting. A tv show is like nothing. It's like there's no other comparison to of how exhausted terrible it was and we were writing. The writing staff was in los angeles along with editing. We were filming in stages in toronto. And they're going to see every two weeks to shoot exteriors which no one should ever do. It's a terrible idea. That's why no one ever does that. And i was just flying this triangle. Trying to keep all of this in the air trying to manage a team that i had no experience. Banerjee just an epic trainwreck. And there were moments during it where i have these conversations and i could feel floating outside of my body and but they're never a good sign. I see this little red light recording in the corner. Like i'm a horrible moment. It's happening and i'm just a passenger in it. I'm just an observer. Like i am a documentary. Crew watching this thing happen. And so i got off the flight from dc point and turn on my phone and my agent left me a voicemail like they fired you and so i got fired off the show and we shot three episodes of that point and i was never so relieved. I was just like a snow day. And as i just i just i had. I felt so bad for the writers who were there. Let's mccarthy who become a friend who had convinced to be on the show. She was trapped on that show. It was not a good and the other actors. I felt terrible for them but also my mental health was vastly improved. Mental health is such an important thing to have. When you're when you're using your brain for everything that you're doing your creative. Ah actually the only asset that. If i take stu much zanex i won't be able to. I didn't even know about zana's to that point. But if i had known about how can pass it a little bit longer or i would've crashed out center. Okay you have a movie aladdin. What was that experience like aladdin. Because so sometimes you go into your pitching specifically on on a predator just meeting about a project. Other times you go in for general meeting. And so the general meeting for dan lynn's company a producer and just talking about the things that they were working on other stuff and one of the many things that they were talking about it they are also we try to disney like maybe lad movie and i'm like oh yeah. I totally know how to do a lot in movies like like in that moment. I know what that is and i think the next day or the day after i came back and i brought boards. I pitched them like this is what the movie is like to me like. These are the things that are fundamentally crucial things to bring four but these are things which if you're gonna do is and live action movie would need to change like if you're giving people human motivations rather than cartoon motivations here are the opportunities so civilized pitching new role which is basically she is going to become sultan of aggravated never really experienced the city. And so she has. This need to sort of understand this place that she meant to rule that the relationship between a aladdin and the genie is much more as buddies as powell's rather than sort of like cocaine uncle Sure and so really what it's like. You've never had a friend like me really leaning into the friend at all I like that a lot. And then just us stripping back the magic of the world so that there isn't it's the world is not magical until the genie shows up. It's really grounded world and so those rocky things when in pitched disney god. Yes got going and it happened really really quickly. Which was great. How long did it take you to write three months and we got short of green lights came quickly and pretty easily. We got a director on board. And he and i just did not see the same movie and that is a thing that happens and i had no ability to stop that difference of opinion. Like when push came to shove. I was shoved chopped and so the i still see a lot of attention on my intentions and sort of the fundamental choices i made are still there. But it's not quite the movie that i had intended to be so it's always a weird thing when you finally. What were some of the things that he would push no. I'm not sure i got. I got the boot after one more draft. And i'm not quite sure what we're specifically his big things and what were disney sort of you know moving back towards the middle of moving toward a safer version but i think one of his fundamental interests was not having me around. Oh well that's a problem. Yeah yeah now. That's weird but it's not weird. I mean and and i i would say that especially for a person who's generally written his own things. Having another person who has that function is not comfortable. I would say that. I would have challenge working. You know if. I came onto a project. There'd been another writer. I would have a challenge working without right or two. So i get that But it was really frustrating. And so unlike the phone call on dark shadows. I found out through a text from a friend who said like i can't believe higher that other writer on the project and it's a kidding me man. Yeah so that's why you know what you found out through a tex getting like. Oh yeah some of the thing happened to me once. So i can certainly identify. It's not fun. yeah so. So it's heartbreaking. And yet i still really like the movie ultimately like i m going back in and seeing early cuts and being able to give notes and an offer suggestions sort of i think the movies better for my input later on down the road but it's frustrating like you now. It's kind of. It's more my movie than chinese honestly. Yeah wow last last. But not least i got. I got to say this greece prequel. You're doing the prequel degrees. Yes and how did that come about. That was another situation where the general meeting so it wasn't specifically about that. I was talking to the producer. And he's going to listen. He's like oh and ross. Doing like what happens like the summer before greece. Donald stuff that happens in the summer nights and owing know that in the room. I tackled ideas. That's mine and so even on the drive back from his his his office. I called him back and said like so. Here's here's here's the beats like this is the thing that happens. Is that the opportunity here. And the next day. I had sort of all the beads of sort of what the what the real story was behind. It sort of what the environment is going to be and figuring out what the movie feels like and so that this afternoon before you're asking him over that that was what i was writing and it's just an absolute delight that's so cool but i should stress for people who are listening to this after the fact they're like. Oh yeah jonah talks about that. Movie grease that agrees writing. That never happened. So people and the archives in that moment but most of what i write doesn't shoot and so i mentioned that this list of like twenty movies ever have not filmed and you're dead dead project so these are bubis or full length movies. I've read that have never shot this. Hp lovecraft lovecraft movie monster pacalypse. That was a timber okay. Preacher based on the comic yeah. Oh my god scary stories to tell them the dark one. Wow okay alaska. Alaska was a pilot. And i would say a certain special case because you go into pilots known as a really good chance. They won't move forward so there's a baked incense like okay if it happens. Great if it doesn't it's okay. Barbara rela barbarella was with drew. Barrymore i love it. What happened with it. Just it was a really expensive sex romp. What about bob. The musical is that everyone in town is work. On bob's musical is a project that i it's still busy. It's about a guy who wakes up in a musical. It's really good. Marksmen routes really gets hans worth. That's probably look get made at some point but the money against it. It's gotta be twenty nine dollars. Oh my god. I wrote tarzan movie for warners. And it's Technically the same threat of the movie came out but my tarzan was set present. Day in civil unrest africa rather than the past. And i really loved it fenwick suit. They're not suit. Isn't project back when i was doing. Mostly kids book adaptations to guy who suit comes to life. Ooh i love that. That's cool and then you mentioned fantasy island is only demon. -nology demon another early project before go came out. It is like Like clueless but set against the apocalypse. Oh that's fun that's gonna love so now. Obviously you've written a lot of movies. That are dead. Are their scripts in your drawer. Somewhere that you know occasionally return to go back to tinker with and yeah there are a few that i think we'll probably at some point come to life and so every once in a while i'll i'll revisit them and so i have assistant asked some other folks who work with me and we do a weekly staff meeting and so on our big list that we go through all the products are actually active but then we always have at the very bottom like the sort of. Let's not completely forget about these last few things right right and there's a few folks there that i think could eventually happen do you do you have a social media do i do. I'm on twitter at john august also match on august and the podcast that you guys called script. It's so easy to find. It is just. My website is john. August dot com. So you'll find scripts there but also wherever you're listening to this podcast. Great that's awesome. That's also wanted to ask you. You know you're well known for your advocacy of other writers. And i'm just curious as to why you feel the indeed to give back. I don't think enough writers do that. I'm just curious. What motivates you to do it. I always remember that growing up in colorado. I had no sense of what a screenwriter was. Did or how to even how it even get started. And so that. If i were the kid growing up in colorado today out go online and look for advice and a lot of it would be terrible and so if i could be a place that offers some pretty good advice that would help and it was just sort of be better for the world if some people who actually knew what they were talking about talk about it. I often need to find avenue to research like really obscure things pre. I needed to research cowboy hats and god bless this one person has the history of cowboy hats detailed all stuffing that year by year an actual website and astral website history hats. And so if i can help be that reference for folks great and then that spills into sort of general advocacy. I'm on the board for the writers guild and it's just recognizing that i was very fortunate to come into screenwriting time when it was growing and the opportunities and things are gonna things are changing quickly and i want to make sure that the next me has the same opportunities i did. It's probably there to fantastic. I wanted to just one more thing go ahead. There's there's a line in big fish. Edward i believe says the more difficult something became the more rewarding it was in the end and i'm just curious since he wrote those lines. Since you wrote that line do you follow your own advice in terms of that. I'll say that the the feeling of achieving something being a real the verb where like there was actually working with his effort to do it. It does feel more rewarding. It's a difference of like you know earning one hundred dollars rather than give you one hundred dollars you feel like there's there's more weight behind it and so i guess i do feel that i think you know a lot of stuff we've talked about today has been all here all the good things but here some really bad things too. And i think if i were to take away all the bad things i wouldn't have had the fullness of experienced at hat and so i i kind of need those bad things actually understand to appreciate. One-stop goes well that's awesome. Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate never surrender is produced by western sound executive producers. Jack hergott stephen kramer glickman and ben dare producers. Are sabrina fang. And cameron cal. Music by hannah's browned on social media. You can check us out on instagram at never surrender fraud on twitter at surrender pod and on facebook at never surrender. Podcast you can also email us at. Never surrender podcast at gmail.com to share your own stories about how you struggled. Failed and ultimately never surrendered.

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Dolittle  AYJW101

Are You Just Watching?

58:35 min | 1 year ago

Dolittle AYJW101

"Doodle is an entertaining children's movie that gives insights into relationships and communication. Are you just watching episode? One hundred and one doolittle welcome to the podcast. Shares critical thinking for the entertain Christian. I'm Eve Franklin. I'm Timur and we're starting out all. They're not really starting out the year we've already done. One is for the next century of recordings. Yeah we're but before we get to far into the discussion is a couple of news items. I want to put forward right here at the beginning because I don't know how many people listen to all the way to the end to hear what we say at the end but first off there is just a few more days left on the contest at the Christian community podcast and we will have linked to that contest in our show notes. And we've been posted on our facebook pages. Make sure that you take part in that because the prizes a really good it's box bulls. Yeah over a thousand dollars with the theology. Books and of course. I don't know not everybody wants a box full of theology books and DVD's. But since I saw I saw a picture of it it looks like it's got some pretty good titles in it too. Yes yes. There is a list of titles. If there's if you're curious if you go to the entry place we will post It'll give you a list of all the things that you could possibly win but only one person is winning so you have to participate to get in the drawing and the other news item. Is that last night? That would have been the seventh. Were recording this. On the eighth I went to see the world premiere of the patterns of evidence the Red Sea miracle at the Ark Encounter and it is a fabulous movie. It will be showing one night. Only on February eighteenth twenty twenty and then the sequel to it the Red Sea miracle to it will be showing may fifth. Now these are fathom events so you have to have a theater that has that does fathoms that they're fathom events and you have to be able to get a ticket because I have a feeling these will sell out and so I will strongly encourage everybody. If you live near a theater to check out the Red Sea miracle make see if it is going to be a close to you and go see it. I was quite impressed with it at the premier that I was at we had the the panel discussion that gets put in on the end of the Fathom Event. So that was live for us. We got to see all these all of them so it was a very nice event and I strongly encourage everybody who is able to go see that. It's a feature documentary on the search for the parting of the Red Sea. Where that would have occurred. And there's a lot of I guess controversy over that in Biblical sick I mean I'll even non biblical People they it never happened. Obviously there's two assumptions that he deals with her too. I guess approaches to the the problem that he deals with what he calls the Egyptian method and the Hebrew method. And it's one of those that really presents all the evidence and kind of lets you make up your mind as to which one you wish to follow. I really approved of it. So and he didn't come to a conclusion it because the conclusion will be in Red Sea miracle too so I don't know what his conclusion is until I see that one we will. Of course have a link to the fathom events page for the Red Sea miracles wanted to in our show notes. Yes sure you take part in that okay now back to do little. Let's do more. What did you think of the movie doodle? I appreciate it. Us getting to a a nice simple family movie that wasn't laden with a hidden meaning and and any Wendo and language that makes me go. Why does this rated pg thirteen again and this was PG PG thirteen? Yeah Yeah exactly. Usually see usually with Hollywood gives us an offering recently. They're pushing the line for their rating They WANNA be more risque and do little was exactly the opposite. This one could almost have been G. Yeah the only thing that was. Pg ISH was the third grade potty much of that. Yeah but I like how uncomplicated. The movie was The plot was pretty straightforward. The story elements were nice and easy going. The story progressed. Just like the way you would expect a children's book to progress. It was a good family film. Yeah I didn't know what to expect going into it. I kind of just went to see Robert Downey Junior. And I've not as familiar with the doolittle story I mean I know. It's about the guy the veterinarian who can talk to animals that's about life never known about too little and I was really quite impressed. I don't know how the story stacks up to the other stories whether it's the same story or something to front. Yeah I can tell you. I've seen the original REX Harrison. Do Little I two or three and of course the Eddie Murphy wants from when I was growing up and a little beyond and this really doesn't share any significant story elements with either of those. But I've never listened to or read the books so I'm not sure you know their source material is very more right. Well I guess we'll never know unless we go check that out but I would say this movie definitely is safe for children. It's one that has enough adventure to keep. I think probably most elementary age possibly a little younger entertained. Yeah Yeah they were definitely entertained in the viewing we went to. Yeah and when went believe it or not it was. They were sold out theaters. So like I couldn't believe it that's good. I ended up sitting on the front row by my tickets. Vanson and that was the only seats available when I finally got to buy tickets where the the first row in the in the theater actually We went and saw it at a a a not a new theater chain but traditionally been using regal but our local regal has made a policy and procedure. Change that really has zero -tated so this time we went to cinema cafe to see it. It was really nice because you know you have. You actually have a writing surface in front of you which it makes it easier for notes. And it's a lighter theater too so we could actually see my notes. That's nice yeah and it was on daily. Had three previews so previews less than five minutes whereas in Regal. I WANNA say between commercials and previews. The first thirty minutes of the movie are sitting there unable to fast forward. Yeah right yeah I had. I had five previews so it was. It was pretty long for me but I didn't have. I didn't have a lot of expectations going into this. I probably wouldn't have seen it if we weren't doing it at least not. I probably wouldn't have seen it in the theaters if we weren't doing it for are you just watching but I'm glad I'm glad I did. The humor really was nice and straightforward and My my daughter and wife saw it with me and My daughter's twenty two so you know she doesn't come at it with a school age kids sense of humor but she laughed pretty hard head a number points. Yeah yeah some of it was really funny and some of it was humorous so I I think there was humor and therefore for pretty much everybody so you didn't laugh at one joke. You might laugh at another and I appreciated that. I thought that the the points they made because every every movie you watch make some kind of moral or ethical point or you know. The story is immoral. The story is yeah and I thought that the the morals they presented in this. We're not objectionable they. They were ones that you could nod along with and go okay. I see whether with that I could agree with that so I think for the most part. It's one that is not something that Christians could. You would need to boycott for any reason. I mean obviously there's going to be Some humanistic morality in there. But it's it's nothing that That would we require use? You know saying oh I see that movie so yeah. I think the only the only negative vibe that I got off this was Watching I feel like there was a I came away feeling that there was a lot of film left on the cutting room floor to be you know in our to make an archaic referenced. Sir But it still came out feeling like a complete movie It just felt like there was something missing in and after the movie we actually came out wondering Discussing that it seemed to have a lot of Downey's list it. The movie had a lot of Downey's listed Was A team Downey production. So we were wondering you know. Was this like a Labor of love for Robert. Downey junior his or his wife So I went through and watch some of the documentaries and some of the interviews after the fact and it wasn't but He did mention that he wanted to do something different Because he had been in the role of iron man for so long he wanted to get away from that so that people could see that he still had other acting chops. Yeah and I think he did a very good job in this. I I really felt like That we did see you know I. I hate to say it. Because he is so typecast. I think I saw a little bit of and maybe this was just that. He was portraying the role well but in in in game where he had you know that those family moments with his daughter. I really felt like that was part of the character. He portrayed doolittle maybe not with axelrod without the accent. But with that carrying like fatherly and I don't know I just I could see the same Robert. Downey junior there that I was seeing and doolittle. Let's put it that way I can. I can understand that. Yeah Yeah I think he did a really good job and I don't know but by favorite character in this whole movie was the extremely literal sailor on the bad guys ship. And if you've seen the movie you know exactly what I'm talking about. Because that was a rhetorical question he answered every question is if it was completely literal and interacted just he needs met people like that who take everything literally and like this was just like a stereotype blown to the extreme and it was hilarious absolutely hilarious. You know another another Commented on my first impressions for the movie is you and I had discussed The upcoming film call of the wild starring Harrison Ford. And you made a comment about how the dog look to animated. And I realized as I was watching doolittle all the animals obviously are computer animated now and You know he's comparing it to. The animals appeared in the The recent Disney Lion King And I realized that animated animals have an Uncanny Valley of their own and the animals doolittle were just animated enough just far enough from reality where they did not feel weird to me. Right in all reds. Yeah Yeah. I actually appreciated that. They went a just a hair cartoonish. And it's not a lot. It really is a very small amount but it was enough to make me more comfortable with the way that the film turned out. Right and Annette's you'd made a comment to the effect a little steam punkish to you and I and I thought that was interesting. Because I'm wondering. You know the whole concept of doolittle it's like it's almost like the invention of steam punk. It's like that whole background concept of it's like an early steam punk nodding but it's almost like it was like like pre Stephen the originator of the steam punk that yet you know it. They really didn't show any more of it. Once you got outside of doolittle's house So I wonder if it was intended to show that he was an innovator above and beyond a renaissance man of his time with all these inventions. But you did see a little bit of it on the water lily. The ship that That he sets off on his voyage with but none of it outside society so but yet did feel steamed punkish there was a series on net flicks a little while back the Lebanese thicket series of unfortunate events. I didn't like it. I didn't watch more than the first episode or two because I if you know the books I nothing goes right for these children and I just I don't want to entertain myself by watching advice. Fraud a shoddy Freud but The the production values the the lighting the way the characters are presented all felt very similar to Lebanese snick. It and there's a lot of steam punk element in the SNICK series too. I remember seeing that one. Come out that. I didn't look interesting to me so I didn't didn't follow it. Well before we get into a theme discussion. We of course need to mention the music and Danny. Alvin is actually a composer that I really like. I very rarely mentioned him. He doesn't do a ton of movies that we review but he has done a few and I usually like his his scores. This one is. I guess what you would call symphonic physical which really fits the nature of the movie. I'll just play a little bit of it right here so you can hear what it sounds like. Okay now. This movie also is one of those rare movies. At least I guess it's not as rare as I'd like it to be but it ends with a song in the credits and this one was an original song called original by Sia and Well it was made for the movie but I guess that makes it original the thing that I don't like about. Sia and I have a couple of her songs in my more eclectic collection of music. But the thing I don't like about her is that you can never understand her. She Florida so if you want to know what the words to the song and the credits are you couldn't go have to go. Look it up on Youtube and watch it with lyrics because you can't understand her she i. I honestly don't think I ever heard or recognized. A C- a Sung before the end credit song and even coming out. I wouldn't have been able to tell you who. Co was now. Did you notice before we that there was a scene in the middle of the credits? Did you leave when the credits? Okay yeah with the cave. Yeah about half. The theater got up and left when the credit started. And I'm like I always stay for the credits and was got to be rewarded so I was happy history to be to not leave. Yeah now I didn't stay all the way the end so maybe there was something at the end that I didn't see what we say. Yeah I get dirty looks from the theater staff already so from now on. There will be spoilers though. I can't imagine that watching a children's movie that he'd be too concerned about spoilers. But you're there'd be spoilers. Yep My name is Andy Olsen and I wanNA tell you about echoes Radio Echo. Radio is a podcast outreach of ECHO ZOE ministries every month. I find a knowledgeable guest to talk about an important and interesting topic that affects the church. Today we carefully balanced discussions of positive dot glorifying doctrines Orthodox Christianity from a mostly reformed point of view with exposes of heresy. False teaching and four practice that goes on throughout the church today. You can find us at Echo Zoe. Dot Com that's E. C. H. O. Z. O. E. DOT COM. Now the first thing that I wanted to discuss and I think this is probably a very small part of the movie but it was a very big deal for me. I think it came because the sermon that I heard right after seeing the movie brought this this matter up and I would have just seen the movie and I was like that was in the movie and I didn't even notice it until now and it's respecting authority and in particular is respecting a authority. Figure who is I? Guess in in a great deal of authority over you who's been gracious to you in in a certain amount away in story that's in this movie. Do little is living on a piece of property that was gifted to him by the Queen because he had done a great service for her right and after his wife passed away. Actually she went on an adventure and never came back He closed up the gates and basically locked the world away and he was just living with his animals in this Beautiful piece of property with a mansion and all that kind of stuff and this lady in waiting comes and tells him that he has been summoned by the Queen to Buckingham Palace and he basically just snubs it. He doesn't he's not interested in seeing the queen he's not he's not interested in seeing anybody but particularly the Queen and I came out of that thinking. It's very interesting that he he's living on the queen's largest basically she gifted him this property and and he's just doesn't have any respect for her authority over him at all he just blows her off and when he finds out that she's ill he couldn't care less and tell they bring up the matter that if he doesn't if she dies he loses his property and that's about the only time he cares about it and then right after that we had a sermon in my church about having the proper offer. God and dealing with him on on the angle that how much God given us. How much is he has graced us with you? Know the the gift of salvation and we'RE LIVING ON HIS GRACE. And how do we react to him when he calls us to do things and I think especially here in the West? We've gotten so comfortable in our faith. That is so easy to say not right now. God I'm busy. Now that's inconvenient. That's outside my comfort zone all of our responses that we have when God tells us to do something and really came. Home is such a small part of this movie but it really hit home to me that we don't have the proper offer God anymore. I mean it's like you. You GO TO CHURCH VIRTUE. You go to church and you and it's more like a almost like a a fellowship of well it is a fellowship of believers but it's almost like a country club you know like you go there to meet your friends and where is the offer. God you know we're going to worship the worship behind and and focusing fellowship right right and what came to mind Was this passage in Hebrews. I'm actually GonNa Start Memorizing Book of Hebrews. I think I don't know how get in it but there's some really good stuff in Hebrews but this is from Hebrews twelve twenty eight th through twenty nine therefore since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken. Let us hold onto grace by it. We may serve God acceptably with reverence and all for God is a consuming fire. And I don't know I just to me. It's like that almost talks about you. Know because doolittle had received a kingdom basically from the Queen and then he wasn't serving her he he had locked her out of his life and he didn't want to be called upon he didn't want to answer a summons and that's what we've received kingdom from God that cannot be shaken and we need to approach God with the proper reverence an all because of the gifts that he's given us and because he is do that praised that all on that reverence. And how often do we give it? Not Enough Not Enough. Yes it at the opening of the movie Do Little has. Because of the loss of his wife the death of his wife he has retreated to a fearful child-like state Where he refuses to interact with anybody but animals And I feel like there was a missing excellent exclamation of of why but it was easy to accept that he had but even once he went to once he fulfilled the The summons and he appeared in the Queen's bedroom where she lay you find out later suffering the effects of rare fantasy poison. Yeah he does not comport himself with the the proper respect and all that you know that you should you think of Samuel when he has the vision where You know he sees all of the angels gathered around a massive massive cod. A guy that That is huge in an image and in presence his I ought is. I'm a dead man. I'm not righteous enough to be here job you know God says hey can you take the Leviathan home as a pet? I don't think so. Yeah and we. We just don't have that sense of of aw with God anymore in our Community Group. Were starting a new series on spiritual warfare and I made the comment. I am a skeptic when it comes to hearing a miracle and not biblical miracles because if it's in the Bible it happened period right. Yeah but when somebody says you know God raised my daughter from the dead and Modern Day or God healed me of my of my my. My immediate thought is well. I don't think God does miracles any Mars. Matter of fact we had this discussion on Our Harriet Discussion I tend towards plausible. Non Supernatural explanations. I willing to accept that God could have done it but wanting something more to go on you know. Yeah and if you want more on that kind of a discussion I do recommend you. Check out the theology throwdown discussion episode three of the Christian Podcasts Communities Theology throwdown in which I had defended when we had the Harry episode I had defended the belief that God could work miracles and people's lives and I kinda got set straight. It wasn't in a bad way because I'm not willing to die down that hill but one of the things that I guess I've always felt like is the God can work miracles in our lives. But it doesn't necessarily need to be a miracle that you then use as a means to like convince people of things as it's a personal thing and it can end it may not be a miracle to someone else. It just may be God's way of of working in your life and one of the things that was brought up in our theology throwdown is that people misuse that They'll say God told me to tell you this. You know this revelation that makes you more righteous than someone else. Because God's is speaking to you and not speaking to someone else and particularly people of the Prosperity Gospel of right exactly and that's where it can get used wrong and so you can't discount anybody's experience with God but at the same time if it isn't biblical if if it isn't something you can point scripture then God is not saying to someone else through you because the only way God speaks to people is through his scripture and so the miracles and the and the prophecies and all that kind of stuff are you know God may be speaking to you but you cannot use that beyond what he's telling you personally and not try to turn it into extra revelation that is not in scripture so I can see the damage that that can do and I understand the points that were made so I am now forced to agree with you on this topic. And you know as we're joined appointing out in the ANJELICA circles. The title of profit is not somebody who foretells the future. A prophet is somebody who speaks to a people for God right. He speaks God's words to a specific people. Modern Day profit. The only words they should be speaking are the ones from scripture because that's accurate relation to us to save sleeping extra revelation beyond scripture. Then they are speaking false prophecy. And that's where we should be finding our all. That's why we should be it. We should be finding the all that job feels. We should be finding the all that Isaiah feels that Alisha feels you know. Yeah and there will be a time God willing very soon where we will see. Miraculously world altering events too but by that may be too late for some people. That's what we go back to Hebrews one which I was I've been working on like I said I just started trying to memorize Hebrews in this passage is just so rich. It's right from the beginning of Hebrews one long ago God spoke to the Fathers by the prophets different times and in different ways in these last days. He has spoken to us by his son. God is appointed him. Heir of all things made the universe through him. The Sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact expression of his nature sustaining all things by his powerful word and after making purification for sins. He sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high so he's finished. Everything is finished. The revelation is done and God has spoken to us through his son. So that that's where we understand that there are no new revelations. It's because God it's has finished his his work and that's why the Bible is complete. We don't need to add to it. There is no further word from God that we need to have beyond scripture the whole concept of God you know that the sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact expression of his nature. Sustaining all things by his powerful word. That is just a beautiful picture to me of how not only is God on inspiring but Christ is on inspiring. We shouldn't be thinking of him in such. I all know tawdry languages. I used to when I was a child. Say that Christ was what Jesus as my best friend. Yeah I mean I can call him a friend because of what he did for me and the grace that that he is bestowed upon me but it would be like I guess in human terms it would be like saying the queen of England is a friend or the president. Trump is a friend. You know these are powerful people that you don't just you know get buddy buddy with you. Know they're powerful people. Those friendships mean something. And that's the kind of all we should have for our relationship with Christ because it's far beyond just a buddy buddy best friend kind of thing. It is a very unequal relationship was put it that way. You know this This theme was your suggestion. You really did have a good What we would call a good poll on this one. I I wouldn't have made this connection between doolittle's disregard of the Queen Summons and our lack of common offer God. Yeah Yeah Yeah good nicely done very nicely done well like I said it came from a sermon. I heard right after seeing the movie. So it made a connection for me providential. Yes God works that way all right. So let's move onto the second topic One of the things that we see in the movie is that Dr doolittle is treating a a guerilla by the name of Chichi for basically being afraid of everything. Yes which I thought was particularly interesting since when the movie opens do little is literally afraid of anything human related yes He at one point he even tries to hide from a young girl. Who Comes to to deliver the Queen's summons by covering himself with his bathrobe and saying here I like the possum play dead look back in and puts his arms and legs in the air. It's hilarious and she. She does the same thing. Yes so you know it opens the door to one of the main the actual moral themes you know. The moral of the story is games of the movie And that's dealing with fear and You know how to be strong and courageous and all the major characters Really grow in that particular storyline. Chichi learns to embrace the fear and act through it. Stubbins has minor growth in end doolittle of course overcomes his entire sense of fear. Right and with this topic I went looking for quotes about fear and courage and of course. I didn't record the one that I found from. How to kill a mockingbird maybe put it in the show notes after all but Yeah the main point of the movie was said. Courage is not a lack of fear. Right. chant regarded xactly. Yeah that's actually a quote that Little Toe Chichi. You know that courage is not the absence of fear and then he continued that phrase and got cut off because he put his helmet on. He was going down into the water. And she's like what I need to hear the rest. What is this but it made me. Think of the scripture that centers around Joshua because when in the story of the exodus when you got all the way to the to the promise Land Moses Dies and leaves Joshua in charge of taking the people in the promise land and he doesn't feel like well you don't know exactly how fearful he actually was because what you're getting is God repeating over and over again be strong encourage. Yeah so I think we'll be moment. Yeah I think he must have been feeling pretty inadequate at that point. So here's the scripture says no one will be able to stand against you as long as you live. I will be with you just as I was with Moses. I will not leave you abandon you be strong and courageous for you will distribute the land. I swore to their fathers to give them as an inheritance. Josh and one one five and six. And that's not the only be strong and courageous. That's in Joshua it keeps being repeated over and over again and so it's one of those things that I feel like as Christians. We have to remember that we don't stand alone and when we when we must stand on principle and on God's word sometimes it's not easy especially it's getting harder and harder in our culture today. I mean we have people that are losing their businesses because they may take a stand for Christian morals. And it's something that we just have to remember that God is on our side in this and we just have to be courageous regardless because he didn't call us not to fear. He told us to be strong and courageous. Yeah and you know feeling fear I don't think anyway and you know. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that feeling fear is sinful in and of itself. It's how you act whether or not you have courage in that fear and and one of the constantly repeating themes in the in the Bible is that we crushes we children of God. We don't have a reason to fear. David felt fear multiple times. I mean probably a dozen times at that. He expresses in the book of songs but every time he reminds himself and Psalms. Twenty seven Some twenty seven one. The Lord is my light my salvation whom should I fear the Lord is stronghold of my life who should I dread There's nobody who can stand against that if the Lord is Flores who can stand against US yeah. I don't remember where I don't remember where that one is. I think it's Romans so we are going to feel fear because despite the fact that we know God will care for us. How much does God care for the Sparrow? And how much more does he care for us? You know yeah but that doesn't mean that we're not going to suffer. We're not going to have pain. We'RE NOT GONNA have loss in our lives and that's what we fear right but even as we go into that suffering even as we lose loved ones even as we lose financial security or as we face conflict to in our relationships or in our work we go into that knowing that God is with us and if we walk in his word he will continue to to lead us. His word will lead us the right way. Even if it doesn't lead us out of the lawsuit the pain it will still be leading US towards growth. It will work towards the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. Yeah I think it's interesting that we don't have to give in to fear and when we do give into fear sometimes it can put us at odds with God because like going back to the story of the exodus the first time they approached the promised land they sent in spies and they were fearful and they came back and told the people. Hey we can't take this land these kaiser giants. There's no way we can do this. And and they turned the people away from God because of their fear and so fear can work against us. But yet you had you had Caleb and Joshua saying we could do this God God's bigger than this you know he can. He can take us into the land wasn't that they weren't afraid of the giants is just. They knew they a god. That was bigger than that. I mean this was the guy that had just parted the Red Sea for them and had just taken plagues against Egypt. And and all of these big things and then they get there and they're like I think we could go in there had been every day and every night them. Yeah and we don't have that physical. You know demonstration of God's power in our lives but we have the Holy Spirit which should give us the courage to be able to stand which is and that's that you raise an interesting point eight we don't have the pillar of fire or the pillar of smoke but we do have the Holy Spirit and we seem to forget that the Holy Spirit is not only sufficient but greater than the pillar spoke your pillar of fire. It's personal that exactly I. It is within I. Should I think we underestimate the influence and guidance of the spirit That that comes with accepting God salvation and realizing our need for it and becoming a child of God. We really do need to. We need to give the Holy Spirit his do. He's like the red headed stepchild of the Holy Trinity. Sometimes the way we treat him. We really should remember that. The Holy Spirit is sufficient for everything that we need and that he can give us the courage to stand at. I think at one of the things that has always. I guess made me feel better about impending persecution for being a Christian is that I always think is like how am I going to endure that? And then it's like the God would give me the strength. I mean I don't I don't need the strength right now because I'm not enduring that but in in the midst of it got could give me. God will give me the strength to do what he wants me to do. In the midst of whatever I'm fear and sometimes I think I'm too much in my head and I'm thinking okay so if this happened what would I do if this happened. What would I do and I just have to let go of that and let God worked through me instead of be worried about my responses in any and that's always what has always led me for to being fearful of sharing the Gospel. You know doing the one on one stuff that is so so scary but yet if we step up and do it because God told us to do it. That's the one thing he told all Christians do as the spread the Gospel. And it's so easy for us to you know. Give excuses as to. Why not me not me God maybe someone else but not me at you know You know that old poem about Footprints in the sand We know through Isaiah. Forty one thirteen. That God is constantly holding us He he's he's got us he's holding our hand. It says do not fear for I am with you. Do not be afraid for. I am your God I will strengthen you I will help you. I will hold onto you with my righteous right hand. He's using the hand that is associated with a weapon to keep us safe to to To to give us a reason not to fear and that just says so much to me. He's giving up. You Know He. He's giving up his protection to protect us. I guess is a way to look at giving up his weapon hand holding us with his weapon hint. It's I guess it's sort of a weird way to look at it but I'm good with weird ways to look at stuff so there was one other scripture that I had A hip pulled out for some strange reason First and second Timothy. Our favorite books of mine and take wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that your name is Tim Maybe so Timothy For those who might be new to the faith and not familiar with it. Timothy was a disciple a student of Paul's and he goes off and and Helps lead the Church. But he did it relatively young Particularly in the the Society of the day Timothy was thought to be in his early thirties. Which is very very young in Jewish circles to be a leader It's one of the reasons that Jesus who was thoughtful writer. Thirty when he started his ministry was sometimes disregarded but Paul reminds Timothy that God's given us a different spirit in second Timothy One seventy says for God has not given us a spirit of fear but one of power and sound judgment and it reminds us that the the spirit the Holy Spirit. That is within us is a provider of the soil. The fruit of the spirit has grown in and all we need to do is remember the couch holding her hand. And that's available to us. Oh one or the other themes that was in. This movie was the whole concept of belonging. Together like an odd ball group of people who are brought together by a common purpose or a means of communication In this case it was obviously all of the various animals. That live with doolittle a lot of which would be like predators and prey of each other in the natural world but because they were friends with do little they were all. I guess you could almost say all one language in all one group and they all had a bond and common that brought them together and there was actually a line in there of where two of them had had Had Gotten through a difficult situation together and they were like what's this warm fuzzy feeling and the other one does like it's friendship you know. This is where we're rebuilding friendship together and casting aside all of the plot hole issues with that about how all of the animals can communicate with each other even though they are different species speaking different languages and do little can understand all of them. That's a massive plot hole in and of itself but this is a kid movie so we shouldn't have to worry about it fantasy. Yeah it's fantasy the issue that I found interesting about. This is that they were all different. And they all found something in common and that is in a nutshell. What being part of the family of God is we all bring something different in and that's where you know the picture the biblical picture of the body of Christ is so cool because we all have different gifts that come together to make a hole that we're like pieces of a puzzle together and it's it's a really beautiful picture that allows us all to be different to bring different things to the kingdom but yet have a common purpose and Christ and it's it was beautiful in the movie and it's even more beautiful than the Christian faith we. We've touched on this topic a number of times because a lot of the stuff is about a lot of the themes that we touch on our family and friendship and teamwork and it's it's a common theme we and many of the PG thirteen movies because marvel alot but One of the places. I always go when when I'm thinking of teamwork Versus as proverbs and one of the definitions of of one of the definitions of friendship. But one of the reasons that you want Fred's is laid out in providence seventeenth. Seventeen friend loves at all times and others born for difficult time You know French. Stick together and That's the friendship that we see amongst this diversity of animals. Yes at at the two characters said in this dialogue it was Yoshi and Plumpton. Yoshi being the the polar bear in plumpton being the neurotic ostrich Obviously they didn't they didn't drop to too far from the from the drawing board for for Lipton and those two would never have met in a normal world Chiclayo hostage shackling. Polar bears don't live in the same regions different hemispheres north and South East and West Boat. Yeah could really get any further apart yet. They become friends. Yeah exactly but with this topic. One of the things that came to mind for me was set As as Christians. We know what it means to belong Because it's it's part of what we get with the with the Holy Spirit. We become members of God's were were adopted into God's family and we're commanded to worship together to To lift each other up to fortify Each other in and become that invisible church the of believers who support each other. Yeah and if I peter two nine says but you are a chosen race a royal priesthood. A holy nation a people for his possession so that you may proclaim the crazes proclaim that praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. We are a people with a purpose and that purpose is to glorify and proclaimed God because right back to our first theme about how to respect an offer odd that that belonging is just such a wonderful belonging actually The other scripture through a door notes was sort of addressing how we know how we know we belong and we find that in John Fourteen. Five through seven where one of the apostles was kind enough to say you know. How do we know and it was? Thomas said Lord. Thomas said. We don't know where you're going. How can we know the way? And Jesus told him I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except for me. If you know me you will also know my father from now on. You do know him and you have seen him. And that's how we know we belong because we know Jesus. Yeah that's pretty much the way it works there were a couple other little things that we have a little bit of time here to talk about one of the most interesting little things that happens in this movie is that they go on a holmquest to find a specific kind of fruit. That's going to counteract the poison that is killing McQueen. It's called the Eden fruit and we just Kinda got stuck on the word Eden. They're it's just a little odd that it's like this this one Mythical fruit on this uncharted island that no one's ever seen that's going to is almost like the tree of life kind of idea. It's actually and you know it so many so many times in secular media we see references to Eden and the tree of life. And it's so convenient a a thing for them to go back to because everybody knows when you say the tree of life. Everybody knows that. It's this mystical powerful source. And if you say the garden of Eden everybody knows insists peaceful utopian location but they never seemed to question why everybody knows that yeah and I know it pervades it pervades our oral history. You know goes back to before writing but the reason I think at least the primary reason that humanity latches onto these concepts is because it's written into us it's written on our hearts that God has provided us these things that we lost them right when we fell. Yeah Yeah and I. It's just interesting that it got called the eating fruit and that it was. You know there's just a lot of really interesting connotations and you know a lot of it like this like the story. A lot of it's built around the idea that we can go back and get it. Yeah a they go and get the Eden Fruit to heal the queen. They go to the tree of life to achieve quest which is guarded by a dragon. Yeah it's actually not an angel with the flaming sword but a dragon with flaming skin claiming mouth but it that really does it raises it raises. The question of are we capable. Are we capable on our own on our own devices to getting back to the Garden of Eden? Now absolutely not for one thing. It was destroyed in the flood so it no longer exists but one of the other ones that that the final phrase in the movie was. I guess kind of their conclusion to the movie. It's only by helping others that we can truly help ourselves. And then I can sort of see how the truth in that. Yeah but it's not necessarily so much of a as a of a biblical truth as just a common sense truth that when we pull ourselves in and we do everything out of selfishness and for ourselves we tend to not get as much then when we give up ourselves to others and that is in and of itself as rewarding and don't experience that reward until Hugh being selfish. I'm I'm going to agree with you by disagree. Okay I'm going to say that it is a biblical truth. But it's the second commandment dot the I write the hit. What the humanist in general are doing with this movie does is it takes the second commandment and it makes it higher than the first right the first commandment of course be love. The Lord your God with all your heart your soul and all your might the second like unto it is to love your neighbor as yourself right and This movie forgets the first part. The first vehement in favor of the second which is so common for a Hollywood to do as a humanistic kind of thing because the only way that you can love your neighbor as yourself is through the power of Christ because in sin we are naturally selfish and so that ability to look beyond ourselves and to see the needs of others and put those needs above our own. It doesn't come out of the human heart that is not something that is natural to us exactly we. We're not going to do true. Good and less for led by the spirit to do so right and glaciers and six ten says let us not get tired of doing good for we for we will reap at the proper time if we don't give up therefore as we have the opportunity let us work for the good of all especially for those who belong to the household of faith. Yeah and what does that look like in our lives? I mean that that's it like I just said it's not natural for us to not be selfish and and I hear this a lot from the humanistic standpoint is like. Can't you be good without God. I mean you could do good things without God. You can rose haired early. Can you can do all sorts of good in the world without God but typically of the underlying motivation for why you're doing good and then it's in the phrasing of this is that you help yourself by helping others. It's like you're helping yourself. It's the it's selfish reasons. There's a selfish motivation behind that and to get rid of that selfish motivation and do it for God is difficult and it has to be a giving of ourselves a sacrifice that is not natural. It you know all goes back to this idea that That when we die and we stand before the Almighty he's GonNa get out this this set of scales and he's going to put all our good stuff on one side and all are bad stuff on the other and if the good stuff outweighs the bad stuff it we're going to get into heaven than if it doesn't we're going to be sent to hell. I want to say that's not how it works. 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BEST OF Bumper to Bumper Tuesday, May 19: Mark Vancil on MJ, Doc Emrick on Legends with Lou Nanne!

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BEST OF Bumper to Bumper Tuesday, May 19: Mark Vancil on MJ, Doc Emrick on Legends with Lou Nanne!

"Welcome to the best of bumper to bumper podcast. I'm Justin Guard if you're looking for the entire show for Tuesday may nineteenth. It's also available on this very same podcast channel, but this is the best of the gist of the program, and it was a legendary Tuesday I don't mind telling you. We continued our legends with Lou Nanny series. That's coming up. Doc emrick, the voice of the NHL in the voice of hockey in the United States he joined for two lengthy segments. I'M GONNA. Give you both of them coming up, just tremendous storytelling. Storytelling from dock. It was great to hear his voice, and we also talked about the legend Michael Jordan with the quintessential Jordan biographer guy who was in the room. Speaking of hotel rooms, conference rooms, boardrooms, airplanes everything with the guy. They called Air Jordan. Mark Vanson Mark Van. Zyl also covered the nineteen eighty-seven twins for the Star Tribune. He Dan go way back so we start. The Best of podcast on Tuesday may nineteenth talking to mark about MJ J as the doctors wrapped up as well as the nineteen eighty-seven minutes Minnesota the twins. Most people struggle to be present. Able sitting Ashrams for twenty years in India trying to be present. Do Yoga Meditate China to get here now. One of the better comments from the entire ten part series and fortunate for US guy who uttered those words is with us now mark vassals on the white in clinic, Lasik. And Cataracts? Did that. Did that just come to you or did you have that written down? I mean that was really really good and a lot of people have commented on it I. Mean You just nailed that one? I've been thinking about it for a long time on because I. I never thought that anyone explained. Him or people like him and what I mean by that. Are you know there's a there's a huge Delta between true icons and superstars? You know it looks like they're close, but they're not and there's a difference and I. I've thought about it a long time. And in Michael's case, it's sort of. I've had I've like you I've had the opportunity to be around some very famous people and. I realized that they all had a similar similar quality in that was. My point about Michael was he's real gift. Wasn't jumping running shooting I mean dominique. Wilkins could do everything physically. Michael Jordan can do, but you. You wouldn't put those two in the same sentence. so the difference. And it just sort of occurred to me that this guy, he's never fearful because he never in places where fear lived. which is the past projected into into the present or the future? project you know or projecting the presence of the future and those two places don't really exist you know the past is the past the futures future. what really exists is the present, so he could. And you saw this right is career. He could have. somebody writes something really awful about him on Tuesday. and. By Wednesday he if he even noticed it, it was gone. I mean he wasn't. He didn't dwell on the past and dwell on the future. Did you. Have you ever figured out where you think? that. Edge comes from where that ability comes from. Is that the old deal of it's? It's it's just in somebody, and and they figure it out, and it evolves, or it comes from some influence or from some person or some aspect of his upbringing what? Can. We trace why he has it or is that the explain unexplainable? I think if you're religious or religious or spiritual. It's. It's the God that's in us. You know it's that place. you in most of us can't. Yeah I think it's an all of us to some degree. Give you an example. Many many years ago, I was driving Doubt I lived on wall, Street in Chicago and there was is not far from the cabrini-green Housing and You know I was driving through there. It was a cold, crummy winter December day. And as I was turning a corner. I was looking at these gray awful buildings. And there was one door painted red. And it had Christmas lights around it. In I pulled over and I thought I'm just dying to know who that person is. You know how do you find that amid in in the middle of all of this? And so I think we come across people like this all the time who? have this sort of innate gift. Or they haven't bury it with fear. which is I think most of us do. And, then you come across people like Michael. Mario. Andretti was this. Why spend a lot of time with Mario and you were the way it came to me with him was he was telling me about the twenty four hours a day, tone or Daytona? And He was so locked in. That, he could see his wife on the Infield as he was going around horse. and. That's just that's. That's an example of your, so absolutely cemented to that moment. That! You're not somebody somewhere else. And Ben I've seen it with others I've been around, and they're not necessarily famous either Jer Did He ever get Matt? What's the? Maddest Michael? Ever got it, you know what was it about? he he early on And I think actually this is holly. How it actually helped relationship. He was supposed to show up for something. You know like A. Tuesday afternoon. There's no game or Wednesday afternoon. Whatever it was and he was supposed to go to. something for the team and I can't remember. It was an appearance of some kind. Some kind and any didn't show up. And I found out he didn't show up and and I sort of blistered him for it because I felt like. You can't give that guy a pass for something like that. You know. More than anybody has a responsibility to. and I wasn't even I wasn't even really thinking about the franchise, but he certainly did had responsibility franchise, but. To the people who would have? Gone out of their way to see him. He owed to them. And you know we sort of had it out the next day and I've made my case as I just made it now and he. You, know. You sort of took it in and I. Think like I said I think that actually helped relationship. You know the The series ends with I think what is the most compelling ongoing question because Jordan's greatness I think was captured pretty well and a lot of effective ways, and believe it or not I think a lot of us who covered him or around him not as much as you still had to be reminded of his greatness, and it was a good reminder whether it's the tape whether it's the the the old shots of him performing in games some. Some of the numbers some of the interviews, etc, etc, but beyond that I think the open question continues to be. Why did it end when it did? And there are a ton of theories that have been advanced as you well know Certainly, it appeared at the end of episode ten that you could put Reinsdorf's fingerprints all over it from a financial standpoint. Then I've heard other people say deep down Michael might not want to admit this, but. He really was relieved. He did not want to continue to go and he's letting other people take the heat for it nevertheless, what do you say someone of covered him forever? What's the real story from your standpoint about why it ended when it did? Well I think they're to two aspects to it. Number One the fact that Jerry. Krause announced before the season started this, is it? and Phil embraced that idea. And sort it all the players. And, so there's that part of it. You know where they had just gone through another grueling hundred game season. and. everyone was everyone was really beat up at the end of that. But there's another aspect of it to an you and you pointed out Dan that. You know. I think Ryan. Stores are great owner because he looks, he sees right through the reality. Is He was right? He was right about where you really going to overplay pay all of these players just to keep them for one year. I mean Luke. Long Way Got A. Thirty million dollar contract. And he was twenty nine years old with with with you know. Questionable feet is ankles were very weak for his is. Rodman as it turns out, only played I think something like thirty six more announcing his career after that year pippen. Had had two surgeries. You know, and and as you saw you know. that. The final game in Utah, so if you looked at it. You know with clear is you would say. Man You really want to go all the way to the bottom in ride this out, Nancy, you're gonNA spend a fortune but i. guys that may or may not be able to pull it off. But when they're done, it's done. Win Or lose and. You know I think? So I think, you can defend it from different angles I was surprised actually. With what Michael said that he and I understand his point, because it's a legitimate point, we what we all grow grew up playing. Play by play ground basketball, and you know a fundamental aspect to the game is you? Don't be when you win. You stay until you lose again. I think I think that sticks in his craw obviously. But I will also say that that I mean. He'd had enough. And so had the guys around him and I don't know if they would have been able to keep pipping. Because Scotty Lost a lot of money with a IT turns out to an agent who was? Bigger fraud. So. He needed to go and make money mark van. Zyl Is our guest arise. Chatted with Casey Johnson, you may have seen those quotes reacting to to par ten, and he says when the lockout was over well, he reminds us that that was you know during the lockout period? Andy also says when lock goes over, I still couldn't talk. Fill in coming back. Michael had cut his finger with a cigar cutter. It's the story I'd not heard and he couldn't have played. Played you know Michael Wittmann able to come back now. As Casey Johnson points out, you could argue the flip side of that is maybe Jordan is in a different mode. If he still thinks it's alive, the dream might be alive. Maybe that accident doesn't happen. Do you have any recollection that period at all or what? What REINSDORF is talking about I'm trying to figure out what the REINSDORF is. Because you make points that make sense about what's realistic about keeping the band together how difficult that was going to be, and maybe even possible in the case of Pippin his. Even Jordan acknowledged, but also trying to figure out how much of this is now reinsdorf wanting to believe this because he might have a little bit of regret, and so he's, he's remembering the story in a way that he wants to including that Michael cut his finger. Well Michael do finger on that was true. I don't know what to crew was truly couldn't have played. That might have been true but I I remember that he really did do that. I think the there there was. Acrimony, Oh between the players and management, and after that lack lockdown, right or lockout, whatever and I. Think it was I. Think Jerry's right. I think it was over and. said that to actually yeah, yeah I, think especially with the lockout I remember to this. Michael called me one day and said. Hey. Take a look at this we're gonNA. The Players Association's going to buy this ad and we're gonNA. Put It in the New York Times, and whatever else and you want to be the. Right. And see what I thought of it and so. He was he was really involved in that process and I. Don't know you know looking back until you just mentioned. I think recall that but. I think it's just because he you know. He's a player and he wants to players. Get all the money just like you expect and but I didn't get the sense I never got the sense once that season was over. That anyone was coming back. You know that it was. I mean my God. How could you end better than that I mean his entire career? With, encapsulated in forty five seconds, you scored. It's he had to score. When everyone in the court knew he had to score really quickly, he did it. On the other end it makes a great defensive play. They didn't come down hit the game winning shot I mean that's his whole career. And what a way to yeah! I mean you really can't make it up. which might suggest that the comments from channing Frye? Missed a point when he said Michael had only really one job, and that was just a score, and he did that in an amazing amazing rate. you heard about channing? We've suggested earlier that maybe just trying to get people. Going is board and he's trying to get people going but in the wake of a reminding people about that stunning sequence, which summed it all up It was even more mind-blowing player could be that a former player could be that stupid. Well for most people you'd have to tell him that. channing Frye was actually a form of. As very true to mark vassal is our guest on on the Fan the you amused at all by the change in the The Flu Story to wasn't. Flew in the way that I think, people assumed it was either stomach, flu, or body flu, or whatever, but that it was food poisoning because somebody got a hold of apparently the the guy who made. And deliver the Jordan Pizza who says that was the best pepperoni there was nothing tainted about it. No one else got sick that. We make about that whole deal. I knew about the food poisoning that it wasn't the flu There's another aspect to that he. And I'm not gonNA, be able to remember what the differences between the GATORADE, but there's one game drink to replenish after you know, the electrolyte turning after you've been playing and there's another one that you. I think take I there was there was a difference between. The there were two kinds gave him the long one. So at half time. I mean he was by the end of that game. He was so dehydrated. That One person with the Bulls said. They were worried about they were seriously worried about him. You know not dying, but ending up in emergency room because. There was nothing left in the guy. And part of it was whatever this mix up was You know drinking a lot of coffee. He was trying to stay to stay awake. Stay hydrated. And you know what was interesting about that. Is You saw? In that game six just how profusely or well that game in that particular game? Profusely sweating I do, and Yeah I mean it was. It was far more dangerous than anyone thought. It definitely look bad regarding the the the end of the run I to talk briefly about Krause because you can't argue as you mentioned that krause rigged it all by going much further as Reinsdorf acknowledges than he should have with his comment about we can go eighty two and Phil. Jackson's not coming back as the coach and I historically have felt that krause as bad bedside manners, he had and as dismissive as he could be. Did get ripped too much given that he is the architect putting some of the pieces together including A. Getting Phil Jackson into the system as an assistant coach, not to mention Pippen, etc, but I'm wondering from your perspective if you think krause was so sensitive that he couldn't stop himself that that was what drove him to say, something that made no sense, even if in his mind, he believed this was Phil's last year. That, he would go as far as he did to go public with a comment that did seem to sort of set the tone for everything. What what what what? What can you tell us about Jerry? Yeah. I think you hit it on the head Dan and he. Horrible bedside manner is a good way to put it. He He, you know He. It's unfortunate because. What he did was really spectacular. I mean on on one DRA- in one draft. He comes away with Pippen and Horace Grant. you know forty percent of three championships? and He makes a very controversial trade for Oakley to get cartwright. You know when you can look around all the pieces that he put together how Jesus worked. I mean a lot of that. You know goes to fill and Michael but Jerry did a fantastic job and I think he was just tired of. Everybody else getting the getting credit and getting. In I agree with you I think he got. He got away more negative sort of media than not than he deserved. Unfortunately, he deserved it because of how he acted Yup but he was. One of the most eye opening things to me in the in the last night. Your Sunday. Night was skype looking you know we got the greatest player and we had the greatest coach and we have the greatest Jim. And I didn't see that coming, neither yeah yeah. So, you know it wasn't wasn't lost on some of these guys. I don't think Michael either I mean. You. Know deep down. I think Michael knows that in and I will also say this krause. Talk to Mj all the time. about potential trades about there was one. Somewhere along they were, they were thinking about Bernard King and Mike and Michael, just I just happened to be in his room. And He said. Are You Jerry? Are you out of your mind? This. You know he can't do anything without the ball. He's not gonNA have the ball. So. I also sense by the way that. Phil. I would think Michael I don't about Scotty, but certainly horace and a couple of others might have been better than Jerry knowing how to work sources how to show, so you know, look, you're in the business, and you are in that business of you know information and opinion is gold and intelligence is gold now. Ultimately you got to choose. You gotta try to decide. How much of this is legit? How much of this is I'm being used? That's part of the game as we know but I would assume. I always had that feeling that Phil was very clever about knowing how to drop stuff in a way that was beyond Jerry. The Jerry never got that part of the job at all. I think you're right about that You know just look at these guys. Though I mean they're all they're all. You know wonderful. Human Specimens. They're they're the prime of their lives up. At the top of his game and in Jerry is. You know he's himself as he always so an underdog. But I will say this I mean. I think sports has gone way too far to the data. And a guy like Jerry it's GonNa come back where guys like that. Who have a real idea about how people I remember Jerry across telling me once first thing he does, after he sees a player really liked. He wants to see the mother. I said why he goes figure out. What kind of body is going to have? Grows up and that sounds silly. But it's not you know it's like one of those little pieces of data. that. It was important to him and what the house was like, and how they how they treated one another and did you know was order or was there disorder? And you know all those things are. He was way ahead of his time. No question, a very good talent scout I, think most of us will agree. Even though he had the advantage of having Michael, the build it around tonight on Fox sports north as it just happens by by coincidence, they're rerunning. Because of course live. Sports is a big issue for the the various cable outlets, the game seven of the nineteen eighty seven world series a game. You have some familiarity with as I recall. Being here it as well. I'm catching it off guard a little bit on that because we didn't talk about talking about that, but what comes into your head, either from that run that year or specifically from game, because ninety one has tended to overshadow it because it was later because the game itself was Saddam. mythic goes extras and Jack Refuses to come out from tk when nobody says not K.. What do you remember about that night in about that game at the Dome? Well I remember my lead. and my lead was for the game story was. The team with snowball's chance didn't know. That's IT and. What I remember from that. Run especially in the world series was, and it helped me understand when the bulls were going to break through the Pistons, and it helped me understand why the cubs. We're GONNA win the world series a couple of years ago. And I can't describe it other than a feeling and I'm sure you. You know what I'm talking. That team. Was Not going to. Lose And it was a function of Tom Kelly being Tom Kelly He had molded these guys. Kelly was fearless. And and so we're all of the. On that team and it was their time. You know you could just you could feel it. You know in in little things about that about that run to it. One of the most amazing things I ever saw when I didn't see it live and I wish I had. was when they beat the Tigers. And, then flew home on a Sunday. We were still in Detroit. Obviously, yeah, yeah. Riders were still in Detroit. And flipping on the TV in Detroit and seeing it was. It was like one of the things that I just that was. That was an example of these guys are not going to lose. They can't lose. And You know you see it. In different teams I mean I know you've experienced a to where. You just feel it. You know you just feel it and That's what I remember about it. As well as the story goes I, think they twins officials. anticipated. Maybe five thousand people would greet the team back in the Dome and in fact I think there was a little bit of trepidation about what if You know what nobody shows up? This billings in look feel pretty empty, and then obviously it got filled. Which still I'm glad you brought that up because it still might be one of the more stunning sports moments period ever. Because to fill that building at a moment's notice, it wasn't like there was any advance on. Sunday night was pretty astonishing, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was the most I. Mean You know? As as reporters, especially in the guys, you're your by that part time now beaten down. Not Much you get to get your emotional up other than last call but. When I was watching that it was like. Why like I? It was just pure emotion. You know these the you know an entire city or part of US state. Got In their cars and went to a place. which was not easy for anybody now to go and park, and it was probably had to be seven eight nine o'clock at night, whatever it was into fill it and to see the players walk in. I just couldn't imagine what that must felt like. And it was fascinating to see, and then, of course, then then they they they as you say, they finished the the whole thing up and I think part of the reason, even for twins fans. Eighty seven's actually bigger. Is that was the breakthrough? Because this was the town that never won that had never won the super bowl and had to go all the way back to the Minneapolis Lakers, a team that had left town at the end of the fifties or started the sixties to talk about titles. This was literally the first breakthrough the first time they said okay. We are good enough, and that's. That's how it was viewed. That's why for some it does. Have as great as the ninety one were on was it has eighty-seven might still have a a special place as flawed as you remember especially on the road that that team was yeah. But they had you know they had. A bunch of Gamers, and that's the only way I can think of it. It's it's. It's like it's such an appropriate term. For. Guys like Dany gladden and Gatty. Burbank and Puckett. And in Bligh, Levin and they were. They just had these guys that. in fearless is all I can think of. But they weren't going to. They just weren't gonNA lose. And every one of them almost to a person when it mattered came through. And you know I think that's a testament to. Pay and the rest of the staff no-doubt. Thought. You know just one little thing is when he didn't run out onto the field. Any just let them now. It was just it's A. It's a subtle thing, but it was. It was important. I think to all the success that he had going forward from that. Stay tuned for more on those nineteen eighty-seven Minnesota twins this week. We think we're going to have frank viola on because he's going to be watching game seven that Dan talked about being televised on Fox sports north tonight. We'll get his reaction on Thursday. Show all right legends with Lou Nanny, we went inside the hockey world, but off the ice, and out of the general manager, sweet to the broadcast booth, the One and only Mike Doc emrick was our guest this week on legends with Lou. Lou. How. Beginning. Down Bus! program. Nanny. Well he's properly and legally. Distance? We haven't seen studio as Seen Louis in studio for quite sometime, so get him on. The phone brought to you by NFP, insurance the legends with Louis Series as we say hi to Louie. continues with another legend. That's why we call it. Legend's with Louis. On consecutive weeks it's been bowman say they're Sinden Esposito and now doc emrick kind enough to join us on the Wedding Clinic Classic, and Cataract Hotline Doc Welcome back to the show. We much appreciate your time. Say Hi to your Guy Nanny. Well after those four guys on the Mount Rushmore, hockey. Selling tickets to seat. And then you'd have the vote that all just like you in this vein all. Those guys. How are you? Doing Dr Nice to hear from you, you just. As I said so many times. It's a pleasure to talk with you and it certainly a pleasure to listen to you. You know I I've had the good fortune of working over the years with the best hockey broadcasters Danny. Alvin Dan Kelly Al, Shaver, Bob, goal I, never and I. was I was hoping you were going to come and work the state tournament? I I've been on with you, but I've never worked with you at the state tournament, or and then each game. That's one thing in life that I miss. Well a lot of times we were in the same building together, but you're more official capacity that I was. You were in charge of a team or or something like that. I remember a time when Bill Clement and you and I toured the mets sportscenter and you were talking about your team and you were all also talking about lucky seat. At that time you were a little more superstation than you are now and how you, maybe in the middle of sitting in a seat, north stars would score a goal, and so you would remain in that position Oh. Yeah, not only remaining in the seat, I've had times when I've had to hold onto a desk from the first period. Right through to third period, and my arms were numb by the end of the game because I. Requested for you now when the North Stars would go to you, guys ever stay at the drake. Hotel. Yes, we did. We were the first team. I got him to stay the Drake Hotel. We were the first team NHL to do that. And that's why they used to treat me so well and I actually had one of our sons bridal. grooms dinner at the Drake Hotel. Well, here's my question. There are only ten stories in the Drake Hotel. So, how did you get a room twenty three Drake Hotel? Louis I got twenty eight. The sweet and I put a three on it. Doc I will say good if. You probably because you're if you're at games, you're generally working. Them is nothing like watching a hockey game from the Lou nanny sweet or set a seats that he happens to be at that is a I. Don't at some point you stop watching the game and you start watching Louis reaction to the game. There is nothing like it. He is frenetic. He never stops. He never stops. Talking a frankly never stops swearing. It's an outstanding ensemble of of auditory. You know enjoyment. I'll bet it is in forty seven years of my being professional hockey. He is the only person I know. who was a season ticket holder for eighteen before he played for the team? That's right. That's a great point. See I was a season figure it because I was playing with the Olympic team and I. Don't want to turn pro right then. I bought tickets to the North Stars first year, and I used to do the post game show scoreboard show for the North Stars on TV, and then I joined them after the Olympic Games rover that year. I remember when they when when the flyers. Broadcasting Flyers, in for a couple of sequences like with the Babbel's Tech I couldn't hold his job, and so I was coming with the flyers, and this was at a time when norm green had the had the north stars before the name got changed the stars, and then eventually moved to Dallas, but they were they were have auctioning they were having raffles, and our and the players would would buy raffle tickets because the prizes were so big. And so and so we would have to hold the tickets for the players, and they would by huge amounts of these of these, and sometimes they would win. the flyers players never won, but there were occasions where visiting players would actually win these things in in the at the met sportscenter. Wild history about getting back in the days, and they were fun times, and that's part of the reason that I was looking forward to coming on was to just have a few laughs about those times. Do you know that coming up on? Friday is a legendary birthday in Minnesota hockey. History John. Message have another birthday on Friday. That's right Mariuchi just said when I think it was strategy. That's right. Yeah, yeah! Those are always great milestone birthday odd because. They should have lots of candles and lots of people saying happy birthday on. That's for sure. He I got a chance to meet John a few years ago. NBC got together. five guys from the nineteen sixty team in Squaw valley. And we sat around a round table in Squaw valley in the very building where all of the all of the teams in nineteen sixty would come to have lunch, and it was the it was the commissary for all of the athletes and all of the sports. And of all places that's where they had made. It was a and I'll never forget. They told me that on the first day that they arrived. They got seventeen one dollar bills. That was their allowance for the entire Olympics. Wow at dollar day dollar a day. Things have changed a little be back after the gold medal. While it turned out, they got the gold medals on the on the day that they defeated the checks on that Sunday morning and he had to be back at work at the station on Monday, so they got out of that day I mean there was no basking in glory after they become the gold medal winners in nineteen, sixty had to be back at the station the next day. and. It was wonderful to have met. Those guys into have had time with them. Because I was fourteen years old at the time and I got a rare hockey on US television. we were getting NHL. Games on Saturday afternoons. in in nineteen, sixty on CBS and we also got. Some of that last game against the checks and black and white TV. Yes, and it was pretty snowy where I was. Yeah, because I why I remember watching him. It was different DOC emrick. Is Our guest on LEGENDS WITH LOUIS DOC? Let me ask you something that I don't think I. Asked you last time we had John, if I did forgive me because my memory's not very good as a as a Gary Indiana boy, which is where I am from originally. I'm reminded that you were born in La. Fontaine Indiana where I'm embarrassed to say I don't know where Lafontaine Indiana is. What the world doesn't. CARE. About eighty miles south of you south a little bit us. If you were to take a Indianapolis, is dead center this thing right so if you were to go halfway North Michigan border and put a dot right in the middle of that area. That's that's where you'd find it. If you ever seen the movie hoosiers. Yes, that would be the era in which took up was the nineteen fifties we had a town. Town about the size of of the one that was portrayed in the movie, our population was six hundred and twenty seven in the nineteen fifty cents. We had a gym that was very much like that. We had a stage at one end where the ban would play and watch the Games and a wall at the other end and the trophy case not too far away, and there were thirteen celebrities in town. With twelve. Players and the coach and everything revolved around the basketball team. That was our Erin. That's what it was like, and it was rural Indiana and it was wonderful, and my life didn't change really much in terms of what I wanted to do for a living until I saw the Fort Wayne comets played Muskegon Zephyr. One night in Fort Wayne, Indiana and a guy that I think you've heard of. Louis. Con Madigan played for Fort Wayne and got in a fight. Two seconds left in sudden death overtime with the player coach for Muskegon, named Moose Lallo, and I was hooked on hockey from that moment on. That Gone Madigan yet quiet reputation quite a career, and he ended up with the blues. The enough you finding made the NHL. We oldest rookie ever to be the NHL. Thirty eight G. Makes. I still for every once in a while. He lives out in Portland, Oregon You anticipated my question I. I love the way you lay out. When hockey got in your blood to that point, would you classify yourself as a basketball guy who suddenly had an epiphany, or or what were you up until that that particular gain that that seemed to change everything for baseball? I still love baseball, but I wanted to be a baseball announcer up until then just because that was what we had a as their only exposure. We didn't really have an exposure to hockey. We couldn't get hockey games on television. except until nineteen sixty that exposure we got from the Olympics and a little bit about Gel, but when the comments came to Fort Wayne, which was an hour away, and I started badgering my parents to take my brother, and made it a game, and finally when I was fourteen day relented, and that that was the epiphany moment, but until that time it was baseball. I still love baseball. I Still Pittsburgh Pirate, Fan and I have one of my ambitions and. Michael has said whenever I get the town I'm hoping for a wild playoff series sometime when the saints are playing, but my back is said you can walk the pig out to deliver the ball and I'm fire. Whenever that time comes so I'm looking forward to meeting him, because I did meet his father once upon a time and I enjoyed that conversation a lot and I'm sure I would enjoy one with Michael Vick to we've had Mike in Studio many times he is, he is rich with stories, and you would absolutely I think love spending time with them so i. hope that indeed happens regarding. I don't know if you even believe you have a an announcing style you know different people have different opinions on whether whether that self conscious, but in terms of the voices you heard as this became something you're interested in that resonated with your. You believe influenced you before you became you. Are there specific names that come to mind? Well. I really didn't have exposure to a lot of. Frog tastes our guy in Fort Wayne. New Broadcast Games there until he was thirty years old. Did Not pass away until three years ago. was probably the main mentor in my life. Professionally in announcing and he was. You know I think and probably I've asked coaches this NHL Coaches when they first start coaching, and they will talk about being a hybrid of the guys that they played for when they develop a coaching style and I think that's true with announcers, too. So I think in the early years. I was probably a hybrid of his style and maybe Dan. Galvin's and Gene Heart Philadelphia because they were. They were guys that I that I met. And guys that I listened to and admired when I was in the American League as an announcer in the late nineteen seventies on our team in Maine, was a guy named Kerry burry later went on to coach in the NHL plan the NHL, but we would sit in front, and behind one another on the bus, and we would always talk about Danny Gallivan, and how much enjoyed him, and when the May mariners would go to Nova. Nova Scotia to play, we would play Friday Sunday because you never went up against hockey night in Canada, and we would always hope that in Nova Scotia we would get a Canadian game on Saturday, so we could hear Danny call the game and and a Lotta Times that we did, and so there would be these famous calls that we would joke about the next day like the Puck Eddie Johnstone and left behind necessity for scoring most. Robinson sure centered a napier. Who will marry? Pat You sister in June. And on that matrimonial note, but Canadians arrive at the North Stars Law. Well EPA tell you this is a. Tremendous. Kind of thing in. Isn't that great? I. Have people that have Meyer and those were some of them are Louis. You're about to say yeah. I gotTA. Tell you this because this is something that people. Maybe don't think about, but what he's talking about and his style and he's won every award. There is in fact I don't know how many years are always one to best sports caster in America, not just for hockey for any sport, but he broadcast the game so that anybody can understand it, and that's what I treasure. I tell young broadcasters when they're when they're trying to broadcast the game. Don't try and seem like you're smarter than everybody else do A. A DOC emrick does he still even use the word hoist? He doesn't try to to be so technical that you don't understand and the D. and F. Two men, and the F. Three he tells it like you see it, and you understand, and you just love it and this guy I mean. I can't tell you how much I enjoy listening to him broadcast the game. He just makes it pleasurable. No matter what the score. No matter what the team. Thanks so much I. Just I'm just glad I get in free. And that's what I that was the first thing that appeal to me. I was just going to cardboard boxes as so many of us right now are doing because we don't have a lot else to do so. I found my original IHL pass. We committed past which got me in free to any arena. The League while I was still at college. Guy Nineteen Sixty, eight sixty nine season before then I had to buy a ticket and go sit in an empty section and do the Games on a tape recorder to myself when I got that pass I, no longer had to pay. And I still have it, and it's a treasure, but. It's still a great thing for me. Because I don't have to pay you get a good seat for the game and later on in life I discovered. You get something twice a month in the mail at outstanding. Let's get a break in. I got a couple I I WANNA get back to your announcing your approach because there's something in particular. The I love Louis touched on some of it, but there's another element of it that I wanNA talk about. We'll get to a couple of other things. Doc emrick kind enough to join us on our legend's with Louis series will continue with both of them after a very brief. Pause here on the fan. This is bumper to bumper width. On the fan. Legends Louis brought to you by N. F. P. Insurance Doc. HAMMOCK is indeed back with us. He is our featured guest. This week. We were talking about your style in your approach. And I thought you raise a really good point that I think for a lot of people whatever the business they they, if they borrow from other people that are influenced early, and they're probably a combination of several those individuals, and then if you're good and great like you are what you're doing, you eventually you just you just become yourself and it evolves. I like an you and I. Hope you take this as a compliment. Another way to the Lakers longtime announcer chick Kern in that. I could listen to either of you doing a game. Not even necessarily paying attention to what was going on the game or what you were saying as much as the rhythm with which you speak, it's it's pleasing its melodious. It just has a pace to it that I find as much fun as any other part of what you do Is that something you're aware of again? That's just something that just you believe has has happened. I guess it's just happened. It's very kind of you to say they put me in the same certains with chick hearn I don't Do much evaluating of of what I think about my work. I leave that up to other people I I just try to improve and do the best I can. Only thinking of that, you can do differently or how you would do something differently I've had a chance to examine that, and all of these replays of games that are anywhere from two to twelve years old I've been seeing. It is fun to kind of look at the lineups and challenge yourself with whether you remember who were fifty five for the penguins. Penguins and two thousand nine, and and you know things like that, but but it I guess I. I'm not conscious of that, but it's it's so kind of you to say those things, and also put me in the same sentence with chick because he was wonderful to listen to, and it was so associated with those great team. No doubt in terms of you're you. You mentioned you. You've been able to watch lot of games. Do you? Like listening to yourself as you know the some there many great actors who absolutely? CanNot, they can't handle it. They do not want to go back because they always find something that. They said they could have done better even if their. Oscar Worthy How are you in that regard? Well, I. It's not like you don't like listening to yourself. Find Yourself. Not. For example. If I were going to listen to a baseball game. I would enjoy whoever it was. That was doing it. Particularly 'cause I'm I'm partial event He doesn't that work game. Vin scully has a game, but anyone who would be doing a game I would just enjoy the game, but if it was one of Mommy I would start. By listening to the game and following that way, and then I would start self criticizing so from that standpoint. If it's myself doing a game I would be self, and eventually I would lose my concentration on the enjoyment of the game and would would veer off that way, but. That's just me I. Don't know if everybody's that way, but maybe they are. Maybe that's just a normal reaction, but it doesn't you know sometimes I really want to enjoy the game and it was one of Mine I. Just turn the sound down. And, then you can watch the action and you could watch. HOW FAST THE GAME! And all of that, but I don't dislike my old games. It's just that I find myself not concentrate on how good the game was. How does one do play by? Play a on water polo as you did I think a couple of different times during the Olympics correct. Yeah? It's just like hockey. They they called and said we needed somebody for water polo and I guess they figured it was a main dirty game with goaltenders net. So. It made a lot of so. And it's it's an awful lot the same. There's a little more scoring in it, though not a lot more there's a little more scoring in it than there isn't hockey and much of the fouling that takes places invisible. And so as a result. With all whistles and everything, but you admire the people that can play it because you, you get one chance at the net. Maybe maybe you get a follow up shop that's about it, and then you have to go all the way to the event, and it takes a little while for another setup, so you've got maybe twenty seconds to fill a while they swim to the other and gather setup for another chance, so you don't have that very quick transition. It's quick for water polo, but it's not quick compared to hockey where you can go from one end of the other so fast. You know you mentioned that you have a lot of time on your hands like a lot of people during this covert nineteen winter. No one knows exactly when stuff's going to come together. We don't have to necessarily go too far down that road, but I am curious. What this period has been like for you I. Mean You mentioned one thing that you've done? You had a chance to go through some boxes and maybe clear some stuff out, and and and and relive memories. How else have you sort of filled the covid nineteen winter that we are all dealing with? Well. A writer named Kevin Allen Whom you've probably heard of. Hockey for USA Today for thirty four years. He and I started on a project which he had to do. The heavy lifting on. It's kroll writing. An autobiographical book and one that has a lot to do with hockey that will be coming out in the fall. and we had a deadline of March. The thirty first My last game was the eleventh of March in Chicago with San Jose, and then the league went on pause the next day so I am shifted gears into the closing stretches of making the deadline Kevin as I said had the heavy lifting to do, but I had some things to do to make that. so that he could finish it off on the by the thirty first. Then we got the phone call on the second of April saying we had to rewrite the first chapter so there was a little bit of the still in April. also I've I've done Ten peacecorps, NBC to to put on their twitter account, or as in the case with two or three of them are. There was one on Mother's Day that was on, and there's one coming up. That will run on Memorial Day this weekend. It'll be the Saturday as a matter of fact, Saturday on NBC I can do a shameless plug slowly. The T. J. oshii shootout against brassy in the Olympics the United States. Is GonNa. Be The replay this Saturday on NBC and the Memorial Bay featured working on with great editor name. Blue won't be shown. During that time on Saturday so? Anyone, who remembers where they were that morning, back here and it was. It was an evening game back in in Sochi. When Tj Oh, she had the marathon. Go back out there. Doing great this. Take another one. That, that is the one that's going to be played later on this week. If you were not been doing I think this will be the tenth one of those that I that I've been working on. They haven't stood over and said we wanted to do these, but. It was something that I like to do. And I was doing twenty five or so years ago when I worked for the flyers and I enjoy doing things like that, so it just sort of naturally came together and I don't know what what will be next after this, but I'm movie other day. a couple of these features that have aired have been the date in history and one of those ones the date, when the North Stars became the very first team. To defeat in original sixteen and a playoff game and number twenty three had the winning goal in a route of the Montreal Canadians at the forum in, Montreal. Remember that. It was quite a route to I. Think it was sixty two or sixty three Danny our aunt had three assists in the game and the one of the more productive lines, but Jack Gordon had in that magical season was drouin and breezy and gold were. Who Do you remember who your linemates where that year? That year was. Charlie, Burns and Murray Oliver then the next The next year was Oliver Apprentice and myself. okay. Now, we had the year. All three of has got over twenty goals. You had twenty one right. Yeah, twenty one dino at twenty and Murray at twenty five. Wow! Good teams those were good teams and to to get I think Montreal twice net series right? Yeah, we didn't fact and the and the six game which was at the met. Teddy Happen scored with six one hundreds of a second after the light came on to tie the game. Or we might have been going to a game seven in Montreal. You need it video replay back. At least it would have made it. Yeah, well, you know that. I used to tell I used to go down and tell. The when I was general manager and we'd get these goal. Judges One night in Boston I. The puck was in an AETNA. Golden in turn it on I went down at the end of the period and I'm giving them L. as I'm walking towards me, says there's went in I, of course it went in, and he says well I didn't know I said well. If you don't know you, turn the light off. Yeah, that's that's for sure. Docked if you had a you've course have A. PhD got a PhD A long time ago and communications. Have you ever thought and maybe with all this extra time I'll even use. It sounds like you've stayed reasonably busy. Have you ever thought what you might have been? If your career track had not gone the way it has as A. Really the Voice of Hockey I've been a college teacher I actually was at bowling. Green working on a PhD and teaching Some College courses there, which is what you do to earn free tuition. And it looked like nothing was going to happen beyond that I kept I had for several set at times I had sent out these tapes, and and that's what we did back. Then we snail mail them and envelopes that had probably been sold. Him? Because he was an envelope salesman for a while, right? Right, okay, well, anyway I would send these tapes out and get these nice rejection letters, which I saved I still have been a feeling binder there and but after my two years of coursework at Bowling Green I sat all tapes out again to various minor league teams and one in Port Huron Michigan called and said why don't you come up and talk about it? For a hundred and sixty dollars a week I became a professional hockey announcer that was forty seven years ago, but it looked as though, and I was really preparing myself for a life as a career college teacher and part of the reason. At the small college where I was teaching when I decided to go for the doctor, I could make six hundred dollars more a year with a PhD. So. There wasn't motivation to go and get the doctor degree cousin with more money a year if I add it. Hands. That's where dot comes from correct. Yeah, that's it. It's not a very creative nickname, but once added degree. It was sort of a nickname that stuck now. No doubt Louis any final thoughts we've. Got To ask them. You know as he. Pointed out he worked for a number of teams throughout, and of course he's he's broadcast all the games for the networks, but having a close relationship with the flyers with New Jersey also living in Detroit dock, and working with you know Eddie so often went Chicago you gotTa. Tell me is there one team that you really cheer for in your heart if you had to. Who would you be fan of? Would it be Pittsburgh? No. I don't have an NHL team, but I am a fan of the Fort Wayne comments to this day. into their hall, of Fame on March the seven. And you never forget that because all of those guys are out on the ice that. That are are common hall of fame members, who either coached or administered, or we're trainers or were players, and here they are taking you any. What's your group with their group? Because you're a fan? And so all I told the assembled multitude. That night is. I'M GONNA. Try to hold up my end of the bargain for all of you. Who are fans because that's all I am and I still am. That's the one team I cheer for I. Cheer Her individuals, because you're bound to really like some more than others, but in terms of cheering for one team. Like yourself do that, you just even really in terms of the guys that you work with in the NHL The brick way tie for first in guys. You know that they're all such great people in a good citizens. I spoke yesterday with a good on a conference call with the new Seattle Franchise and. Can you believe that they were one of the first were hit hard by the pandemic, and they went out, and they donated one billion dollars, eight, hundred thousand of which was in grocery vouchers, so that the people that were hardest hit by the pandemic and lost their jobs. Could at least go to the Safeway store and buy food well good on them, but that just shows the citizenship of hockey and the hockey family, and it would have happened the same way in any city, but because they got hit the hardest, and they got hit hard fast. They haven't even quite their first game and wool for seventeen months yet, but there they are right on the front line, doing what hockey people have done all through the years, and I'm so proud to be associated with sport and I'm so thrilled to be talking to people in Minnesota and to get a chance over over the phone to talk to you, Dan. WHO's your guy? What High School well? Actually went to High School in Illinois family moved from Gary to the North West suburbs, and then I went on to Indiana University, but gear. You Still Got Gary Indiana and my blood. Okay. and and it's always good to to get back and connected up again with you packs back from those days of watching you. Players Are Star I. Still have a replica North Stars here's. He's from nineteen sixty nine. Thank you I'm GonNa Miss You do week from today is June second. You always wish bettman and me happy birthday. I'm GonNa Miss It. Yeah well. Look pretty good for only forty sets amazing, isn't it? One last thing as you mentioned, there are people have much worse problems than you and I in terms of the jobs that we do, but. Are you itching to just getting back to calling a game? How much do you miss them? It will be a lot of fun and and I must I must. Tell you that I'm I'm only itching to get back as long as and I feel that the League in the Players Association. We're GONNA. Be together on this as long as things are safe, I realized they'll be at least ain't percentage element of risk to this once. Everybody is back in and organized in plain. Because until we get a vaccine, it's not perfectly, but at least until it there's a there's consistent safety so that we don't have to be worried about the athletes, coaches or the people involved, and that I am here that the Players Association the League. You're going to be together on and so I'm not anxious about rushing into anything until we are absolutely ready to go. Yeah I miss the Sport and I missed the people around it but nights like this helped me a lot well. You've been very kind with the this extended visit. We really appreciate it. I know that means everything to Louis as well and be safe. Be well, and will hopefully cut touch basis down the line. Thanks for the extended time. Okay thank you great talking pre-arranged Darby! John. And on June, the second happy birthday sweet loosened to sue. Thanks Looking for your book. Okay thank you. Louis great did it again. We got who he lined up for next week. Each week it gets each week. All you do is add more pressure to your to your own. Hot Streak I mean it's it can end now. Well I won't let it. How good was it to hear doc emrick voice again we miss it. We associated with this time of the year and tremendous storytelling and great back and forth especially in that first segment with Lou, nanny and doc. Thanks everybody for listening to the best of bumper to bumper podcast. We'll talk tomorrow on bumper to bumper.

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Dolittle  AYJW101

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Dolittle AYJW101

"Doodle is an entertaining children's movie that gives insights into relationships and communication. Are you just watching episode? One hundred and one doolittle welcome to the podcast. Shares critical thinking for the entertain Christian. I'm Eve Franklin. I'm Timur and we're starting out there. Not really starting out the year. We've already done one. Is You know for the next century of recordings. Yeah we're but before we get to far into the discussion is a couple of news items. I want to put forward right here at the beginning because I don't know how many people listen to all the way to the end to hear what we say at the end but first off there is just a few more days left on the contest at the Christian community podcast and we will have linked to that contest in our show notes. And we've been posted on our facebook pages. Make sure that you take part in that because the prizes a really good it's box bulls. Yeah over a thousand dollars with the theology. Books and of course. I don't know not everybody wants a box full of theology books and DVD's. But since I saw I saw a picture of it it looks like it's got some pretty good titles in it too. Yes yes. There is a list of titles. If there's if you're curious if you go to the entry place we will post It'll give you a list of all the things that you could possibly win but only one person is winning so you have to participate to get in the drawing and the other news item. Is that last night? That would have been the seventh. Were recording this. On the eighth I went to see the world premiere of the patterns of evidence the Red Sea miracle at the Ark Encounter and it is a fabulous movie. It will be showing one night. Only on February eighteenth twenty twenty and then the sequel to it the Red Sea miracle to it will be showing may fifth now. These are fathom events. You have to have a theater that has that does fathoms that they're fathom events and you have to be able to get a ticket because I have a feeling these will sell out and so I will strongly encourage everybody. If you live near a theater to check out the Red Sea miracle make see if it is going to be a close to you and go see it. I was quite impressed with it at the premier that I was at we had the the panel discussion that gets put in on the end of the Fathom Event. So that was live for us. We got to see all these all of them so it was a very nice event and I strongly encourage everybody who is able to go see that. It's a feature documentary on the search for the parting of the Red Sea. Where that would have occurred. And there's a lot of I guess controversy over that in Biblical sick I mean I'll even non biblical People they it never happened. Obviously there's two assumptions that he deals with her too. I guess approaches to the the problem that he deals with what he calls the Egyptian method and the Hebrew method. And it's one of those that really presents all the evidence and kind of lets you make up your mind as to which one you wish to follow. I really approved of it. So and he didn't come to a conclusion it because the conclusion will be in Red Sea miracle too so I don't know what his conclusion is until I see that one we will. Of course have a link to the fathom events page for the Red Sea miracles wanted to in our show notes. Yes sure you take part in that okay now back to do little. Let's do more. What did you think of the movie doodle? I appreciate it. Us getting to a a nice simple family movie that wasn't laden with a hidden meaning and and any Wendo and language that makes me go. Why does this rated pg thirteen again and this was PG PG thirteen? Yeah Yeah exactly. Usually see usually with Hollywood gives us an offering recently. They're pushing the line for their rating They WANNA be more risque and do little was exactly the opposite. This one could almost have been G. Yeah the only thing that was. Pg ISH was the third grade potty much of that. Yeah but I like how uncomplicated. The movie was The plot was pretty straightforward. The story elements were nice and easy going. The story progressed. Just like the way you would expect a children's book to progress. It was a good family film. Yeah I didn't know what to expect going into it. I kind of just went to see Robert Downey Junior. And I've not as familiar with the doolittle story I mean I know. It's about the guy the veterinarian who can talk to animals that's about life never known about too little and I was really quite impressed. I don't know how the story stacks up to the other stories whether it's the same story or something to front. Yeah I can tell you. I've seen the original REX Harrison. Do Little I two or three and of course the Eddie Murphy wants from when I was growing up and a little beyond and this really doesn't share any significant story elements with either of those. But I've never listened to or read the books so I'm not sure you know their source material is very more right. Well I guess we'll never know unless we go check that out but I would say this movie definitely is safe for children. It's one that has enough adventure to keep. I think probably most elementary age possibly a little younger entertained. Yeah Yeah they were definitely entertained in the viewing we went to. Yeah and when went believe it or not it was. They were sold out theaters. So like I couldn't believe it that's good. I ended up sitting on the front row by my tickets. Vanson and that was the only seats available when I finally got to buy tickets where the the first row in the in the theater actually We went and saw it at a a a not a new theater chain but traditionally been using regal but our local regal has made a policy and procedure. Change that really has zero -tated so this time we went to cinema cafe to see it. It was a really nice because you have. You actually have a writing surface in front of you which it makes it easier for notes and it's a lighter theater too so we could actually see my notes. That's nice yeah and it was daily. Had three previews so previews less than five minutes whereas in Regal. I WANNA say between commercials and previews. The first thirty minutes of the movie are sitting there unable to fast forward. It Yeah I had. I had five previews so it was. It was pretty long for me but I didn't have. I didn't have a lot of expectations going into this. I probably wouldn't have seen it if we weren't doing it at least not. I probably wouldn't have seen it in the theaters if we weren't doing it for are you just watching but I'm glad I'm glad I did. The humor really was nice and straightforward and My my daughter and wife saw it with me and My daughter's twenty two so you know she doesn't come at it with a school age kids sense of humor but she laughed pretty hard head a number points. Yeah yeah some of it was really funny and some of it was humorous so I I think there was humor and therefore for pretty much everybody so you didn't laugh at one joke. You might laugh at another and I appreciated that. I thought that the the points they made because every every movie you watch make some kind of moral or ethical point or you know. The story is immoral. The story is yeah and I thought that the the morals they presented in this. We're not objectionable they. They were ones that you could nod along with and go okay. I see whether with that I could agree with that so I think for the most part. It's one that is not something that Christians could. You would need to boycott for any reason. I mean obviously there's going to be Some humanistic morality in there. But it's it's nothing that That would we require use? You know saying oh I see that movie so yeah. I think the only the only negative vibe that I got off this was Watching I feel like there was a I came away feeling that there was a lot of film left on the cutting room floor to be you know in our to make an archaic referenced. Sir But it still came out feeling like a complete movie It just felt like there was something missing in and at after the movie. We actually came out wondering Discussing that it seemed to have a lot of Downey's list it. The movie had a lot of Downey's listed Was A team Downey production. So we were wondering you know. Was this like a Labor of love for Robert. Downey junior his or his wife So I went through and watch some of the documentaries and some of the interviews after the fact and it wasn't but He did mention that he wanted to do something different Because he had been in the role of iron man for so long he wanted to get away from that so that people could see that he still had other acting chops. Yeah and I think he did a very good job in this. I I really felt like That we did see you know I. I hate to say it. Because he is so typecast. I think I saw a little bit of and maybe this was just that. He was portraying the role well but in in in game where he had you know that those family moments with his daughter. I really felt like that was part of the character. He portrayed doolittle maybe not with axelrod without the accent. But with that carrying like fatherly and I don't know I just I could see the same Robert. Downey junior there that I was seeing and doolittle. Let's put it that way I can. I can understand that. Yeah Yeah I think he did a really good job and I don't know but by favorite character in this whole movie was the extremely literal sailor on the bad guys ship. And if you've seen the movie you know exactly what I'm talking about. Because that was a rhetorical question he answered every question is if it was completely literal and interacted just he needs met people like that who take everything literally and like this was just like a stereotype blown to the extreme and it was hilarious absolutely hilarious. You know another another Commented on my first impressions for the movie is you and I had discussed The upcoming film call of the wild starring Harrison Ford. And you made a comment about how the dog look to animated. And I realized as I was watching doolittle you know all the animals obviously are computer animated now and You know he's comparing it to. The animals appeared in the The recent Disney Lion King And I realized that animated animals have an Uncanny Valley of their own and the animals doolittle were just animated enough just far enough from reality where they did not feel weird to me. Right in all read psalms yeah. I actually appreciated that. They win a just a hair cartoonish and it's not a lot. It really is a very small amount but it was enough to make me more comfortable with the way that the film turned out. Right and Annette's you'd made a comment to the effect a little steam punkish to you and I and I thought that was interesting. Because I'm wondering. You know the whole concept of doolittle it's like it's almost like the invention of steam punk. It's like that whole background concept of it's like an early steam punk nodding but it's almost like it was like like pre Stephen the originator of the steam punk that. Yeah you know it. They really didn't show any more of it. Once you got outside of doolittle's house So I wonder if it was intended to show that he was an innovator above and beyond a renaissance man of his time with all these inventions. But you did see a little bit of it on the water lily. The ship that That he sets off on his voyage with but none of it outside society so but yet did feel steamed punkish there was a series on net flicks a little while back the Lebanese thicket series of unfortunate events. I didn't like it. I didn't watch more than the first episode or two because I if you know the books I nothing goes right for these children and I just I don't want to entertain myself by watching advice. Fraud a shoddy Freud but The the production values the the lighting the way the characters are presented all felt very similar to Lebanese snick. It and there's a lot of steam punk element in the SNICK series too. I remember seeing that one. Come out that. I didn't look interesting to me so I didn't didn't follow it. Well before we get into a theme discussion. We of course need to mention the music and Danny. Alvin is actually a composer that I really like. I very rarely mentioned him. He doesn't do a ton of movies that we review but he has done a few and I usually like his his scores. This one is. I guess what you would call symphonic cycle which really fits the nature of the movie. I'll just play a little bit of it right here so you can hear what it sounds like. Okay now. This movie also is one of those rare movies. At least I guess it's not as rare as I'd like it to be but it ends with a song in the credits and this one was an original song called original by Sia and Well it was made for the movie but I guess that makes it original the thing that I don't like about. Sia and I have a couple of her songs in my more eclectic collection of music. But the thing I don't like about her is that you can never understand her. She Florida so if you want to know what the words to the song and the credits are you couldn't go have to go. Look it up on Youtube and watch it with lyrics because you can't understand her she i. I honestly don't think I ever heard or recognized. A C- a Sung before the end credit song and even coming out. I wouldn't have been able to tell you who. Co was now. Did you notice before we that there was a scene in the middle of the credits? Did you leave when the credits? Okay yeah with the cave. Yeah about half. The theater got up and left when the credit started. And I'm like I always stay for the credits and was got to be rewarded so I was history to be to not leave. Yeah now I didn't stay all the way the end so maybe there was something at the end that I didn't see what we say. Yeah I get dirty looks from the theater staff already so from now on. There will be spoilers though. I can't imagine that watching a children's movie that he'd be too concerned about spoilers. But here there be spoilers. Yep My name is Andy Olsen and I wanNA tell you about echoes Radio Echo. Radio is a podcast outreach of ECHO ZOE ministries every month. I find a knowledgeable guest to talk about an important and interesting topic that affects the church. Today we carefully balanced discussions of positive dot glorifying doctrines Orthodox Christianity from a mostly reformed point of view with exposes of heresy. False teaching and practice. That goes on throughout the church. Today you can find us at ECHO DOT com. That's E. C. H. O. Z. O. E. DOT COM. Now the first thing that I wanted to discuss and I think this is probably a very small part of the movie but it was a very big deal for me. I think it came because the sermon that I heard right after seeing the movie brought this this matter up and I would have just seen the movie and I was like that was in the movie and I didn't even notice it until now and it's respecting authority and in particular is respecting a authority. Figure who is I? Guess in in a great deal of authority over you who's been gracious to you in in a certain amount away in story that's in this movie. Do little is living on a piece of property that was gifted to him by the Queen because he had done a great service for her right and after his wife passed away. Actually she went on an adventure and never came back He closed up the gates and basically locked the world away and he was just living with his animals in this Beautiful piece of property with a mansion and all that kind of stuff and this lady in waiting comes and tells him that he has been summoned by the Queen to Buckingham Palace and he basically just snubs it. He doesn't he's not interested in seeing the queen he's not he's not interested in seeing anybody but particularly the Queen and I came out of that thinking. It's very interesting that he he's living on the queen's largest basically she gifted him this property and and he's just doesn't have any respect for her authority over him at all he just blows her off and when he finds out that she's ill he couldn't care less and tell they bring up the matter that if he doesn't if she dies he loses his property and that's about the only time he cares about it and then right after that we had a sermon in my church about having the proper offer. God and dealing with him on on the angle that how much God given us. How much is he has graced us with you? Know the the gift of salvation and we'RE LIVING ON HIS GRACE. And how do we react to him when he calls us to do things and I think especially here in the West? We've gotten so comfortable in our faith. That is so easy to say not right now. God I'm busy. Now that's inconvenient. That's outside my comfort zone all of our responses that we have when God tells us to do something and really came home. It's such a small part of this movie but it really hit home to me that we don't have the proper offer God anymore. I mean it's like you. You GO TO CHURCH VIRTUE. You go to church and you and it's more like a almost like a a fellowship of well it is a fellowship of believers but it's almost like a country club you know like you go there to meet your friends and where is the offer. God you know we're going to worship the worship behind and and focusing fellowship right right and what came to mind Was this passage in Hebrews. I'm actually GonNa Start Memorizing Book of Hebrews. I think I don't know how far I'll get in it but there's some really good stuff in Hebrews but this is from Hebrews twelve twenty eight th through twenty nine therefore since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken. Let us hold onto grace by it. We may serve God acceptably with reverence and all for God is a consuming fire. And I don't know I just to me. It's like that almost talks about you. Know because doolittle had received a kingdom basically from the Queen and then he wasn't serving her he he had locked her out of his life and he didn't want to be called upon he didn't want to answer a summons and that's what we've received kingdom from God that cannot be shaken and we need to approach God with the proper reverence an all because of the gifts that he's given us and because he is do that praised that all on that reverence. And how often do we give it? Not Enough Not Enough. Yes it at the opening of the movie Do Little has. Because of the loss of his wife the death of his wife he has retreated to a fearful child-like state Where he refuses to interact with anybody but animals And I feel like there was a missing excellent exclamation of of why but it was easy to accept that he had but even once he went to once he fulfilled the The summons and he appeared in the Queen's bedroom where she lay you find out later suffering the effects of rare fantasy poison. Yeah he does not comport himself with the the proper respect and all that you know that you should you think of Samuel when he has the vision where You know he sees all of the angels gathered around a massive massive cod. A guy that That is huge in an image and in presence his I ought is a dead man. I'm not righteous enough to be here job you know God says hey can you take the Leviathan home as a pet? I don't think so. Yeah and we. We just don't have that sense of of all with God anymore in our community group. Were starting a new series on spiritual warfare and I made the comment. I am a skeptic when it comes to hearing a miracle and not biblical miracles because if it's in the Bible it happened period right. Yeah but when somebody says you know God raised my daughter from the dead and Modern Day or God healed me of my of my my. My immediate thought is well. I don't think God does miracles any Mars. Matter of fact we had this discussion on Our Harriet Discussion I tend towards plausible. Non Supernatural explanations. I willing to accept that God could have done it but wanting something more to go on you know. Yeah and if you want more on that kind of a discussion I do recommend you. Check out the theology throwdown discussion episode three of the Christian podcasts Communities Theology throwdown in which I had defended when we had the Harry episode I had defended the belief that God could work miracles and people's lives and I kinda got set straight. It wasn't in a bad way because I'm not willing to die down that hill but one of the things that I guess I've always felt like is the God can work miracles in our lives. But it doesn't necessarily need to be a miracle that you then use as a means to like convince other people of things as it's a personal thing and it can end it may not be a miracle to someone else. It just may be God's way of of working in your life and one of the things that was brought up in our theology throwdown is that people misuse that They'll say God told me to tell you this. You know this revelation that makes you more righteous than someone else. Because God's is speaking to you and not speaking to someone else and particularly people of the Prosperity Gospel of right exactly and that's where it can get used wrong and so you can't discount anybody's experience with God but at the same time if it isn't biblical if if it isn't something you can point scripture then God is not saying to someone else through you because the only way God speaks to people is through his scripture and so the miracles and the and the prophecies and all that kind of stuff are you know God may be speaking to you but you cannot use that beyond what he's telling you personally and not try to turn it into extra revelation that is not in scripture. So I can see the damage that that can do and I understand the points that were made so I am now forced to agree with you on this topic. And you know as we're joined appointing out in the ANJELICA circles. The title of profit is not somebody who foretells the future. A prophet is somebody who speaks to a people for God right. He speaks God's words to a specific people. Modern Day profit. The only words they should be speaking are the ones from scripture because that's accurate relation to us to save sleeping extra revelation beyond scripture then. They are speaking prophecy. And that's where we should be finding our all. That's why we should be it. We should be finding the all that job feels. We should be finding the all that Isaiah feels that Alisha feels you know. Yeah and there will be a time God willing very soon where we will see. Miraculously world altering events too but by that may be too late for some people. That's what we go back to Hebrews one which I was I've been working on like I said I just started trying to memorize Hebrews in this passage is just so rich. It's right from the beginning of Hebrews one long ago God spoke to the Fathers by the prophets different times and in different ways in these last days. He has spoken to us by his son. God is appointed him. Heir of all things made the universe through him. The Sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact expression of his nature sustaining all things by his powerful word and after making purification for sins. He sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high so he's finished. Everything is finished. The revelation is done and God has spoken to us through his son. So that that's where we understand that there are no new revelations. It's because God it's has finished his his work. Yeah and that's why the Bible is complete. We don't need to add to it. There is no further word from God that we need to have beyond scripture the whole concept of God you know that the sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact expression of his nature. Sustaining all things by his powerful word. That is just a beautiful picture to me of how not only is God on inspiring but Christ is on inspiring. We shouldn't be thinking of him in such. I all know tawdry language is used to and I was a child. Say that Christ was what Jesus as my best friend. Yeah I mean I can call him a friend because of what he did for me and the grace that that he is bestowed upon me but it would be like I guess in human terms it would be like saying the queen of England is a friend or the president. Trump is a friend. You know these are powerful people that you don't just you know get buddy buddy with you. Know they're powerful people. Those friendships mean something. And that's the kind of all we should have for our relationship with Christ because it's far beyond just a buddy buddy best friend kind of thing. It is a very unequal relationship was put it that way. You know this This theme was your suggestion. You really did have a good What we would call a good poll on this one. I I wouldn't have made this connection between doolittle's disregard of the Queen Summons and our lack of common offer God. Yeah Yeah Yeah good nicely done very nicely done well like I said it came from a sermon. I heard right after seeing the movie. So it made a connection for me providential. Yes God works that way all right. So let's move on to the second topic One of the things that we see in the movie is that Dr doolittle is treating a a guerilla by the name of Chichi for basically being afraid of everything. Yes which I thought was particularly interesting since when the movie opens do little is literally afraid of anything human related yes He at one point he even tries to hide from a young girl. Who Comes to to deliver the Queen's summons by covering himself with his bathrobe and saying here I like the possum play dead look back in and puts his arms and legs in the air. It's hilarious and she. She does the same thing. Yes so you know it opens the door to one of the main the actual moral themes you know. The moral of the story is games of the movie And that's dealing with fear and You know how to be strong and all the major characters Really grow in that particular storyline chichi learns to embrace the fear and act through it. Stubbins has a minor growth in end doolittle of course overcomes his entire sense of fear. Right and with this topic I went looking for quotes about fear. Encourage and of course. I didn't record the one that I found from. How to kill a mockingbird maybe put it in the show notes after all but Yeah the main point of the movie was said. Courage is not a lack of fear. Right. chant regarded xactly. Yeah that's actually a quote that Little Toe Chichi. You know that courage is not the absence of fear and then he continued that phrase and got cut off because he put his helmet on. He was going down into the water. And she's like what I need to hear the rest. What is this but it made me. Think of the scripture that centers around Joshua because when in the story of the exodus when you got all the way to the to the promise Land Moses Dies and leaves Joshua in charge of taking the people in the promise land and he doesn't feel like well you don't know exactly how fearful he actually was because what you're getting is God repeating over and over again but be strong encourage. Yeah so I will be moment. Yeah I think he must have been feeling pretty inadequate at that point. So here's the scripture says no one will be able to stand against you as long as you live. I will be with you just as I was with Moses. I will not leave you abandon you be strong and courageous for you will distribute the land. I swore to their fathers to give them as an inheritance. Josh and one one five and six. And that's not the only be strong and courageous. That's in Joshua it keeps being repeated over and over again and yeah so. It's one of those things that I feel like as Christians. We have to remember that we don't stand alone and when we when we must stand on principle and on God's word sometimes it's not easy especially it's getting harder and harder in our culture today. I mean we have people that are losing their businesses because they may take a stand for Christian morals. And it's something that we just have to remember that God is on our side in this and we just have to be courageous regardless because he didn't call us not to fear. He told us to be strong and courageous. Yeah and you know feeling fear I don't think anyway and you know. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that feeling fear is sinful in and of itself. It's how you act whether or not you have courage in that fear and and one of the constantly repeating themes in the in the Bible is that we crushes we children of God. We don't have a reason to fear. David felt fear multiple times. I mean probably a dozen times at that. He expresses in the book of songs but every time he reminds himself and is psalms twenty seven Some twenty seven one. The Lord is my light my salvation whom should I fear the Lord is stronghold of my life who should I dread There's nobody who can stand against that if the Lord is Flores who can stand against US yeah. I don't remember where I don't remember where that one is. I think it's Romans so we are going to feel fear because despite the fact that we know God will care for us. How much does God care for the Sparrow? And how much more does he care for us? You know yeah but that doesn't mean that we're not going to suffer. We're not going to have pain. We'RE NOT GONNA have loss in our lives and that's what we fear right but even as we go into that suffering even as we lose loved ones even as we lose financial security or as we face conflict to in our relationships or in our work we go into that knowing that God is with us and if we walk in his word he will continue to to lead us. His word will lead us the right way. Even if it doesn't lead us out of the lawsuit the pain it will still be leading US towards growth. It will work towards the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. Yeah I think it's interesting that we don't have to give in to fear and when we do give into fear sometimes it can put us at odds with God because like going back to the story of the exodus the first time they approached the promised land they sent in spies and they were fearful and they came back and told the people. Hey we can't take this land these kaiser giants. There's no way we can do this. And and they turned the people away from God because of their fear and so fear can work against us. But yet you had you had Caleb and Joshua saying we could do this God God's bigger than this you know he can. He can take us into the land wasn't that they weren't afraid of the giants is just. They knew they a god. That was bigger than that. I mean this was the guy that had just parted the Red Sea for them and had just taken plagues against Egypt. And and all of these big things and then they get there and they're like I think we could go in there had been every day and every night them. Yeah and we don't have that physical. You know demonstration of God's power in our lives but we have the Holy Spirit which should give us the courage to be able to stand which is and that's that you raise an interesting point eight we don't have the pillar of fire or the pillar of smoke but we do have the Holy Spirit and we seem to forget that the Holy Spirit is not only sufficient but greater than the pillar spoke your pillar of fire. It's personal that exactly I. It is within I. Should I think we underestimate the influence and guidance of the spirit That that comes with accepting God salvation and realizing our need for it and becoming a child of God we really do need to We need to give the Holy Spirit his do. He's like the red headed stepchild of the Holy Trinity. Sometimes the way we treat him. We really should remember that. The Holy Spirit is sufficient for everything that we need and that he can give us the courage to stand at. I think at one of the things that has always. I guess made me feel better about impending persecution for being a Christian is that I always think is like how am I going to endure that? And then it's like the God would give me the strength. I mean I don't I don't need the strength right now. Because I'm not endearing that but in in the midst of it got could give me. God will give me the strength to do what he wants me to do. In the midst of whatever I'm fear and sometimes I think I'm too much in my head and I'm thinking okay so if this happened what would I do if this happened. What would I do and I just have to let go of that and let God worked through me instead of be worried about my responses in any and that's always what has always led me for to being fearful of sharing the Gospel. You know doing the one on one stuff that is so so scary but yet if we step up and do it because God told us to do it. That's the one thing he told all Christians do as the spread the Gospel. And it's so easy for us to you know. Give excuses as to. Why not me not me God maybe someone else but not me at you know You know that old poem about Footprints in the sand We know through Isaiah. Forty one thirteen. That God is constantly holding us He he's he's got us he's holding our hand. It says do not fear for I am with you. Do not be afraid for. I am your God I will strengthen you I will help you. I will hold onto you with my righteous right hand. He's using the hand that is associated with a weapon to keep us safe to to To to give us a reason not to fear and that just says so much to me. He's giving up. You Know He. He's giving up his protection to protect us. I guess is a way to look at giving up his weapon hand holding us with his weapon hint. It's I guess that's sort of a weird way to look at it but I'm good with weird ways to look at stuff so there was one other scripture that I had A hip pulled out for some strange reason First and second Timothy. Our favorite books of mine and take wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that your name is Tim Maybe so Timothy For those who might be new to the faith and not familiar with it. Timothy was a disciple a student of Paul's and he goes off and and Helps lead the Church. But he did it relatively young Particularly in the the Society of the day Timothy was thought to be in his early thirties. Which is very very young in Jewish circles to be a leader It's one of the reasons that Jesus who was thoughtful writer. Thirty when he started his ministry was sometimes disregarded but Paul reminds Timothy that God's given us a different spirit in second Timothy One seventy says for God has not given us a spirit of fear but one of power and sound judgment and it reminds us that the the spirit the Holy Spirit. That is with us is a provider of the soil that the fruit of the spirit has grown in. And all we need to do is remember the couch holding her hand. And that's available to us. Oh one or the other themes that was in. This movie was the whole concept of belonging together like an odd ball group of people who are brought together by a common purpose or a means of communication In this case it was obviously all of the various animals. That live with doolittle a lot of which would be like predators and prey of each other in the natural world but because they were friends with do little they were all. I guess you could almost say all one language in all one group and they all had a bond and common that brought them together and there was actually a line in there of where two of them had had Had Gotten through a difficult situation together and they were like what's this warm fuzzy feeling and the other one does like it's friendship you know. This is where we're rebuilding friendship together and casting aside all of the plot hole issues with that about how all of the animals can communicate with each other even though they are different species speaking different languages and do little can understand all of them. That's a massive plot hole in and of itself but this is a kid movie so we shouldn't have to worry about it fantasy. Yeah it's fantasy the issue that I found interesting about. This is that they were all different. And they all found something in common and that is in a nutshell. What being part of the family of God is we all bring something different in and that's where you know the picture the biblical picture of the body of Christ is so cool because we all have different gifts that come together to make a hole that we're like pieces of a puzzle together and it's it's a really beautiful picture that allows us all to be different to bring different things to the kingdom but yet have a common purpose and Christ and it's it was beautiful in the movie and it's even more beautiful than the Christian faith we. We've touched on this topic a number of times because a lot of the stuff is about a lot of the themes that we touch on our family and friendship and teamwork and it's it's a common theme we in many of the PG thirteen movies because marvel alot but One of the places. I always go when when I'm thinking of teamwork Versus as proverbs and one of the definitions of of one of the definitions of friendship. But one of the reasons that you want Fred's is laid out in providence seventeenth. Seventeen friend loves at all times and others born for difficult time You know France stick together and That's the friendship that we see amongst this diverse group of animals. Yes at at the two characters said in this dialogue it was Yoshi and Plumpton. Yoshi being the the polar bear in plumpton being the neurotic ostrich Obviously they didn't they didn't drop to too far from the from the drawing board for for. Plumpton and those two would never have met in a normal world. She Ca- hostage shackling. Polar bears don't live in the same regions different hemispheres north and South East and West Boat. Yeah could really get any further apart yet. They become friends. Yeah exactly but with this topic. One of the things that came to mind for me was set As as Christians. We know what it means to belong Because it's it's part of what we get with the with the Holy Spirit. We become members of God's were were adopted into God's family and we're commanded to worship together to To lift each other up to fortify Each other in and become that invisible church the of believers who support each other. Yeah and if I peter two nine says but you are a chosen race a royal priesthood. A holy nation a people for his possession so that you may proclaim the crazes proclaim that praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. We are a people with a purpose and that purpose is to glorify and proclaimed God because right back to our first theme about how to respect an offer odd that that belonging is just such a wonderful belonging actually The other scripture through a door notes was sort of addressing how we know how we know we belong and we find that in John Fourteen. Five through seven where one of the apostles was kind enough to say. No how do we know and it was? Thomas said Lord. Thomas said. We don't know where you're going. How can we know the way? And Jesus told him I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except for me. If you know me you will also know my father from now on. You do know him and you have seen him. And that's how we know we belong because we know Jesus. Yeah that's pretty much the way it works there were a couple other little things that we have a little bit of time here to talk about one of the most interesting little things that happens in this movie is that they go on a holmquest to find a specific kind of fruit. That's going to counteract the poison that is killing McQueen. It's called the Eden fruit and we just Kinda got stuck on the word Eden. They're it's just a little odd that it's like this this one Mythical fruit on this uncharted island that no one's ever seen that's going to is almost like the tree of life kind of idea. It's actually and you know it so many so many times in secular media we see references to Eden and the tree of life. And it's so convenient a a thing for them to go back to because everybody knows when you say the tree of life. Everybody knows that. It's this mystical powerful source. And if you say the garden of Eden everybody knows insists peaceful utopian location but they never seemed to question why everybody knows that yeah and I know it pervades it pervades our oral history. You know goes back to before writing but the reason I think at least the primary reason that humanity latches onto these concepts is because it's written into us it's written on our hearts that God has provided us these things that we lost them right when we fell. Yeah Yeah and I. It's just interesting that it got called the eating fruit and that it was. You know there's just a lot of really interesting connotations and you know a lot of it like this like this story. A lot of it's built around the idea that we can go back and get it. Yeah a they go and get the Eden Fruit to heal the queen. They go to the tree of life to achieve quest which is guarded by a dragon. Yeah it's actually not an angel with the flaming sword but dragon with flaming skin claiming mouth but It that really does it raises. It raises the question of are we capable. Are we capable on our own on our own devices to getting back to the Garden of Eden? Nope nope absolutely not for one thing. It was destroyed in the flood so it no longer exists but one of the other ones that that the final phrase in the movie was. I guess kind of their conclusion to the movie. It's only by helping others that we can truly help ourselves. And then I can sort of see how the truth in that. Yeah but it's not necessarily so much of a as a of a biblical truth as just a common sense truth that when we pull ourselves in and we do everything out of selfishness and for ourselves we tend to not get as much then when we give up ourselves to others and that is in and of itself as rewarding and don't experience that reward until Hugh being selfish. I'm I'm going to agree with you by disagree. Okay I'm going to say that it is a biblical truth. But it's the second commandment dot the I write the hit. What the humanist in general are doing with this movie does is it takes the second commandment and it makes it higher than the first right the first commandment of course be love. The Lord your God with all your heart your soul and all your might the second like unto it is to love your neighbor as yourself right and This movie forgets the first part. The first vehement in favor of the second which is so common for a Hollywood to do as a humanistic kind of thing because the only way that you can love your neighbor as yourself is through the power of Christ because in sin we are naturally selfish and so that ability to look beyond ourselves and to see the needs of others and put those needs above our own. It doesn't come out of the human heart that is not something that is natural to us exactly we. We're not going to do true. Good and less for led by the spirit to do so right and glaciers and six ten says let us not get tired of doing good for we for we will reap at the proper time if we don't give up therefore as we have the opportunity let us work for the good of all especially for those who belong to the household of faith. Yeah and what does that look like in our lives? I mean that that's it like I just said it's not natural for us to not be selfish and and I hear this a lot from the humanistic standpoint is like. Can't you be good without God. I mean you could do good things without God. You can rose haired early. Can you can do all sorts of good in the world without God but typically of the underlying motivation for why you're doing good and then it's in the phrasing of this is that you help yourself by helping others. It's like you're helping yourself. It's the it's selfish reasons. There's a selfish motivation behind that and to get rid of that selfish motivation and do it for God is difficult and it has to be a giving of ourselves a sacrifice that is not natural. It you know all goes back to this idea that That when we die and we stand before the Almighty he's GonNa get out this this set of scales you know. And he's going to put all our good stuff on one side and all are bad stuff on the other and if the good stuff outweighs the bad stuff it we're going to get into heaven than if it doesn't we're going to be sent to hell at A. That's not how it works. 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The Haunted Mansion: 50 Year Anniversary

Earful: A Disney World Podcast

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The Haunted Mansion: 50 Year Anniversary

"<music> with with <music> it begins with win hinges. <music> offers hinges creep in doorless chambers. What's after that fill in the blank would win. Hinges creep in doorless chambers marla maples uh-huh her maker makers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls whenever candle lights flicker flicker where the air is thicker deathly still that is the time when ghosts are present practicing their terror with pills that that'll be the the re theme for the fiftieth anniversary of disneyworld. We are back with episode twelve by haunted mansion merchandise and put it on your shelves once again it is kate joined by the man who creates his own sympathetic vibrations after eating too much fiber patrick. Hey hello go oh and colin how are you. I'm so excited for this episode. This is so much this has become our laundry time to we record in our basement ah simply because we can we can keep our stuff down here and not have to take it down each week. Yes and it's also a reminder to do some laundry so every every once in a while you hear our washer and dryer finish at psycho with a little tune data dean dean d._v._d. Leading living we do yeah but i'm so stoked for this episode. Founded mansion is my favorite disney attraction of all time. I cannot wait to start talking talking about all the details the history what it's like today where you can find. It's a very fascinating attraction where you can find it. There's different different locations throughout the globe. Did you not know that. I thought maybe like in the park. We're going to talk like geographically in the park where it's located. It's moved you know where it is. Let's see what else we discovered this week. A site called chargeable. Which tells you where your podcast is in the charts under its respective category oddly enough when we released our mindy sewed which was last week we were at position one hundred and fifty four in travel out of i mean it goes up. I mean like i think now we're like a thousand because we haven't had a new episode and in almost a week. Obviously you're the best on the day of your episode debut so thank you for listening. That's really awesome. I saw disney podcasts as high as slot number three for we can aspire that high hi cool okay our question of the week was if you had to pick being stuck in a monorail car for an hour or in the guest service line for two hours great question in this thing i haven't read the answers and i see there's a number of them excited. He's had a ton of answers this week. Mathilde mouse which is a new disney podcast that we met on instagram said we want both they would like both but if we can have both we'll take the monorail trap oh see now. I see i would say the monterey nap but yes very good. Elena pau thirty six said monorail car because there is air conditioning instead of standing in the heat for two hours sherry sherri. L. said neither would bring out my cheerful side but if i had to pick i think it would be the to our guest service line. I just pretend i was in line for a ride. We say minoza with all the time when we were in line for roy moore when we're in line anywhere with a real life animatronic at the end makes h said neither both just gave me a massive panic attack just looking at the picks fix sue h said monorail as long as i was sitting i would just pull out my phone miles and memories for travel forever said monorail and last but not least seth m said. Is there a third choice possibly a bullet behind my ear. Can we work something out. You think a little too soon so a friend of from the jockey nerd podcast group on facebook facebook that we are both a part of a podcast that we listened to you and have been on the line. We love the podcast love imran anthony over there. If you are into geek culture we strongly strongly urge you to only stop. You're only stop right there. The very very thorough podcast they talk about a little bit of everything on there so look them up in our segment questions with captain jim on social media we asked cap and jim what's the best place to take nap the disney parks so obviously it's on the monorail break sent. That's very good captain. Jim had a lot of responses for this question he he said to us. Initially now you're talking to an expert in no particular order hollywood studios does is his area of expertise. He suggests going over to the muppet area and even the attraction itself is a good spot for an app now. I'd be curious to know if jim thinks that continue to be a good place after star wars landed opens oh. I think it'd be a even better place. 'cause there's one of those entrances over there. I think ooh ooh good point. Yes very good point. He also said if you are resort hopping the contemporary is a lovely place for an app the first second and third floors specifically we go to the convention area where there are no events going on. Ever little napa know win win. There are no events he said epcot tricky depending depending on the time of year but that the sees the u._k. Pavilion back in the courtyard and china are his top picks. He did not mention yours. No mine mine would be the inside the american vision on the cold cold sweet cold marble floor. He also said coronado springs would be true because it's also convention center so go find that when there's nothing going on the boardwalk and yacht and beach club convention areas see too much traffic so that would not be a good spot for a nap use the boats between epcot and hollywood studios the low and slow speed is very relaxing and that was it so thanks jim input on then we salute you captain jim and then we had a twitter poll something new that we tried this week who is your favorite haunted mansion character and the clearing <music> out winner worthy hitchhiking ghosts we also had options brimming no because we had options for madame liotta the singing busts who syndrome grinning ghost and the bride constance hatch away as we found out her name is some shoutouts this week. We wanna say hello to new friends. Diz oriented a disney disney podcast. We met them on instagram and you wanna know why they're lovely. Tomi 'cause they're from buffalo. What's that mean that means that they speak properly. Oh they extend their vows dell's making their mouths. Go wide yeah like you should as one should so. Thank you guys for recovering new yorker. We have a little p._t._s._d. Still i get pulled back in every now now on our ear. Fan of the week is another disney. Podcast called matilda mouse brand new podcast episodes in a husband and wife duo taste horrible. Why would they do though. I don't know why any married couple podcast death just brakes you apart reminder that if you'd like to check out our show notes or anything about the show go to or website earful pod dot wick site dot com slash podcast and if you ever like to leave us some feedback or a question you can call into our voicemail line eight one four four three one four nine four eight two and it will send you straight to voicemail working for us. We've gotten a single phone you did. I it calls in one day. We want to see what was working and we got nothing. It did where we were like oh. I wonder if the notifications aren't working like no. It's working the ones call him the the first caller we will well. What are we gonna do. We will send you a sticker gosh yes. Is that sound you have a sticker. I'm sure we can go buy a sticker. We add stickers out ourselves and they weren't they did not turn out great our printers on the way out our our printer looks r._t._d. To it's that big it's literally that big so we're in the market for new printer but anyway let's get to some news clips. This is global broadcasting service serving remote outposts since one thousand nine hundred twenty eight so we are. Let's see today's the tenth where about twelve thirty two a two weeks out from d. twenty-three. There's a secret project. That's going to be announced. I saw that in the timeslots they actually call it a secret project. It is oh there's a lot to speculate. I personally think they're going to they're going to we'll bob disney in a wheelchair like wheel him out. Yes that's how oh he's that's. No one's ever asked this but he can't walk. Why because he's in a wheelchair. I know what his own choice. It say i'll i i see he's no no no no. He's perfectly healthy. It's much more safer. Wheelchair understand all right. Well go to the front of the lines. That's perfect republican bob disney yeah according to the schedule for twenty three on saturday august twenty four from one thirty two thirty p._m. Disney will be discussing facing a secret walt disney company project. We don't know what it means but the the other interesting fact is that this secret project i will not be discussed at disney plus panel the walt disney studios panel the disney parks experienced panel or the product presentations its own presentation presentation standalone. So what are we thinking. Oh you have theory i do but it's more of a hopeful theory. I i don't think i doubt it will come true. They've acquired the ability to have marvel in the florida park. That was all part of the agreement when they bought marvel so i highly highly doubt that's it. I highly doubt that i don't know i mean it's a secret. Projects have another theory too that i've been reading about. There's a fifth park on the way they have the land. We would do think they would call that the life and times of bob disney. Oh my god oh the ramps camille chairs wheelchairs for all must be in a wheelchair park. Does bob disney ever switch to like a scooter. Oh no those are deadly really. Let's talk about experiences and shows garra garra ran during the opening of galaxies edge disney's hollywood studios will have to who fantastic shows per night. Oh my gosh traditionally. There's only been one you should be in heaven and you're going to go to both though i think i think wait a minute. How's it going to do that well. They're going to have them at eight thirty and ten but it's not dark enough any thirty in the summer yet is how are they going to ask you. How are they gonna projecting on water water. They don't well yeah they do no. I i think it's i think it'll be late enough. Disney will make darkness right the imagine yours will cook something up so from august twenty ninth to september second. They'll be to show so. It's just the weekend of the opening for long period of time. There is a now a new location for <hes> pity bobby boutique in the kingdom. This is located at the grand floridian resort and this boutique joins the other boutiques in in disney springs marketplace and the cinderella castle in magic kingdom disney springs marketplace's a bibliography bu t does indeed and that is always an option for those that cannot get into the castle which is a very popular my when my girls were little we took them the bitty bumpy boutique and i it was a wonderful experience but the exception that they tie their hair back so tight they had headaches sad things going back to hotel or upgrade it there with my idea for disney jail tie their had had their heads back so tight that they pass out during their hats on their heads yeah yes <hes> the grand floridian has a very special backdrop themed like the beast's castle muscle which is a nod to the theme of the soon to be changed and transformed bar which is going to be reopening the fall themed under being the beast yeah there is also a brand new carriage package which i found very cool because normally with these packages that you buy for young children. They get address. They get tehran and crown. This package includes if you don't want to get all dressed t-shirt four new hairstyles hair bows halos and colored pony. Can i have that when we go. I want hairstyles. Want it for yourself or for me for me. You want it for you. I want to see what four hairstyles they come up with my hair as your disney travel agent. It is my duty to tell you that you can have. You cannot be over the age of twelve well. I mean technically no. I mean literally over the age of twelve yeah surrey patron. Let's buy merchandise poboy. This was perfectly timed for this episode mansion celebrating its fiftieth anniversary as you know and there is a ton of merchandise now available to commemorate the occasion. I was worried that this was only going to be for disneyland because the disneyland attraction is is the one celebrating the fifty years the one in walt disney. World is a little bit younger. It was not it was probably like i think four or five years later later for the actual opening of disneyworld so there's a ton of mickey ears that are themed for the haunted mansion fifty t shirts alex and annie have a special charm and bengals pandora has three terms as well. There's limited edition pins and now some really neat things guests can buy something called a host a ghost. They are jars that host a spirit of your choice. When you tap the jar your spirit will begin to materialize and be displayed on the jar dr l. fascinating you can choose between the bride professor phineas plump the hatbox ghost and more you know what i want. I want the scared puppy the scare all yard but he's not he's not a happy haunt. He's not dead you know because he's with the caretaker. He's got dead so luckily both parks are going to feature merchandise. If you're in disneyworld memento mori yield christmas shop and the frontier trading post i or where you're gonna find most of the merchandise there's also cupcakes. Their special fund co pop figurines magnets toy replica of the doom buggy vehicle. Oh and speaking of the phone call pops. There's a ton and i have a picture in the in the show notes for you to look at patrick pictures speaking of the fun co pops. There's a ton and what what they've done. Luckily is if you're not down there right now that you can still get these fun co pops by visiting certain stores they have probably six or seven actual fun co figurines they have tiny keychains hot topic and target have store exclusives however madam liotta you can only get her in the parks <music> so hopefully they'll still be there and we get there in about. I don't know it. Didn't you interaction with disney this week i did oh that's right yeah on our twitter account walt disneyworld his knee world actually responded to us saying how sad we were we wouldn't be able to get down there and get get the merchandise and they're like don't worry you'll be able to make it and i'm like yeah but who will hold the merchandise from me and they said well hopefully there'll be some leftover when you get here and not the answer. You're looking like we'll see we'll ship you one for free. I'm from the ear full. Turn it just becomes a vocal fry. After own good news if you wanted to get some special magic bands and they have now come out with brand new premium upgradable magic bands including flynn rider cousteau galaxy's edge christmas christmas themed ones and also halloween seemed ones and some of those like we just said our premium which the ones for galaxy's edge are fifteen dollars instead of ten getting like a twenty five dollar thirty five dollar magic land for ten to fifteen dollars bags that they've charged. Oh my god what a price hike secure in disney springs patrick. Do you like cookie dough only the rostov with eggs yes but that would be cookie dough well. No they make fake cook think cookie dough edible. I love all cookie which which sign out at they make edible cookie dough as they're saying that cookie dough is not. It's very edible edible all kinds but cookie dough food truck is coming to disney springs. It's going to be called cookie dough and everything sweet. I'm at an age where if i take a spoonful of cookie donated. I regretted instantly. No i love the taste of it. It feels really going down to the my stomach is seriously oh yeah oh. I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet but the truck going to be located near the other food trucks at disney springs west side couple of menu items that you might want to try the minnie mouse taco geico might be for you. It has peanut butter fluff cookie dough. Caramel sauce whipped cream a cherry and a chocolate many bo served in a waffle taco okay so now we we know the first thing we're going to do when we go down and stay on the sixteenth four. We're going to get one of those tacos. We're going to have the food truck brought up to the sixteenth floor. Yes personal cookie dough truck. Second patriot just opened up you also might want to try this celebration parfait which includes celebration cookie dough with a celebration mickey cake vanilla custard strawberries with cream ed cherry on top parfait delicious off as a. Maybe the most delightful thing ever if a cookie does not your thing there's another ice creamery coming to disney springs brings. Ample hills is going to have a second location in the springs. There's already one located at the boardwalk. Okay stop what stops let let ample hills <music> apple hills. What doesn't sound dirty to you at all. No why would it sound dirty ample hills. Listen you're making this dirty and using using your hands to demonstrate talking about. I was talking about my arthritis that i have in my hands. I pictured low rolling hills. What did you picture patrick my arthritis in my hands and also if that doesn't satisfy your sweet tooth. There is going to be a church cart. Yes in disney springs called the sunshine shero cart it will serve classic and gourmet tros charles like strawberry cheesecake watermelon cookies and cream south caramel fruity thirty cereal milk chocolate dipped spread in chocolate hazelnut so charles all right so i'm gonna. I'm gonna tie everything in here. I'm gonna everything we oh you dissonance. All these wonderful things are coming to disney and you also talked earlier about a surprise announcement. I now know what the price of an idea what's yours. It is going going to be the new wally land where everybody's fat enrolling around in carts and they are fighting people up here with all the stuff that has some traction i think i thought maybe that bob disney would come out announce the bob disney diabetes for those of you who have dubbed and and eventually at some point when when he pushes tinkerbell off the castle she's going to be three hundred pounds that line just boing boing boing across the ground old. Bob will be so unhappy now. Let's get a little healthier disney. Springs is also adding a restaurant called beatrix potter no but it's a neighborhood restaurant in a coffee house featuring grab market with healthy food options including vegetarian gluten free and vegan along with fresh squeezed juice cocktails. If if you'd like to get a little a little spark windier nightlife okay. The edison is going to have a gatsby night on september. I it's fun <music> so really fun. The edison is very much. Themed like the nineteen twenties art deco located very close to jock lindsey's hanger bar and and pizza ponte on the night you're going to be able to see flying aerial performers stiltwalkers burlesque dancers and a live band and it even even says you might be able to smoke a cigar one of my bucket list. Things are really. You're going to get some complimentary. Glasses of champagne with signature appetizers tickets to the event are seventy nine per adult. That's not bad eight twenty one or older. No no that's great. I mean i assume that that includes food and drinks and you know what i like about it too. Unlike our uh-huh experience in hollywood is the galactic desert this one will have no children right correct. I kind of like that the children the vent bad no but they got in the way did not. The stormtroopers got in the way to be with you. That's all so we're gonna take a quick break. When we we come back. Get ready for some grim grinning ghosts. They're about to materialize as we talk about. The history of the haunted mansion will be right back. Hey my name's paul and i'm not an animal expert. I'm donna. 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Wherever you find your favorite podcasts or you can visit asset asset blazing caribou studios dot com louis creek tombstones quake with us breath and we are back now onto our main topic the haunted mansion probably say for the moment my favorite attraction in all of disney world it is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary in disneyland park and so all the parts are kind of <hes> having their own celebrations for but we wanted to take a look at the history of the attraction how it came to be throughout the years and all the changes that it went under and all of the things that it inspired because <hes> inspired quite a lot of things pop culture yesterday yesterday yeah what about yesterday bursary yeah yep and fifty years the haunted mansion asian was first located at disneyland but has since expanded to disney world and tokyo disneyland it took off and inspired phantom manor and mystic manor at disneyland paris and hong kong disneyland respectively so the history of the ride disney legend harper goff developed looked black and white sketch of a street leading away from main street with church graveyard and finally lead up to a rundown manner they they took this idea and imagine you're anderson created a story around goff's idea plans were made to build a new orleans themed land in the small area between between frontier land adventure land in disneyland. However walt disney rejected the idea of having a rundown building marc he did not like the thought that hat amongst all this these perfectly constructed attractions that there'd be a house purposely looking rundown and bad so he imagined years. It's like came to a decision that said find. The house will look good. The inside will make look like it's haunted so the the that's why the outside look so great and that the inside is is very very compromise so imagine you're ken anderson. He envisioned the stories for the mansion. Originally there was going to be a tale of a ghostly captain who killed his bride and then hanged himself so we kind of get a little bit of that with the opening of the ride but it's not quite that narrative right because if you look up there's something that was hanging from yeah person yeah. It's meant to be mr gracie who is the manner manner of the house so we do still have that the original ideas. We're also going to have a ghostly wedding party with well known disney villains in spooks. No i'm gonna thing right yeah so at the parks they started handing out posters and promotional materials and nine hundred sixty one <hes> that they were going to open the ride in one thousand nine hundred sixty three however the exterior was actually finishing sixty three and the the right itself hope was finished in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine there was delays due to disney's involvement in the world's fair and then they had to redesign it a little bit after walt's death in nineteen sixty six walton not not live to see this right open. He actually wanted to pair the haunted mansion with a restaurant so it never never happened obviously but the restaurant was going to be called museum of the weird and it was going to feature other artifacts that didn't make it into the eventual ride. They're still had them rumors that float around every now and then about a restaurant dedicated mansion which i would totally go to maybe next week. We'll hear some room. I don't think that's the secret project. It's going to be bigger than just. I didn't didn't mean to twenty three next episode. We'll have the low down for you next week yeah so this is fun as they were designing the ride lead the magic had themselves a big store warehouse to keep all of their projects and stuff and they had the animatronic there and one night they forgot to turn off the electric gear at apparently the janitors were so spooked by the running animatronic. They left their equipment behind and did not return. I would too because back then nineteen sixty six like think about the tech back then. I guess it's still kinda. Spooky nowadays buses following me. There was a big big debate whether or not the ride would be frightening like a traditional haunted house or enjoyable so what you see. Today is a mixture of both of those thoughts. I don't see the terrifying think of it. I think it's it's scary for little kids for sure. It can be very very scary because kids are scared of the dark number one so it's a dark ride and there's there's definitely some things in it that are very terrifying if you if you have a vivid imagination and can be easily spooked when it opened the attraction was an immediate success it was so successful that it opened a version of itself elf in magic kingdom in nineteen seventy one and as i said it's an it was an opening day attraction there and then tokyo disneyland in nineteen eighty three the version at at disneyworld is slightly longer and a little bit more elaborate than the disneyland. I miss it when did disneyworld's opened eighteen seventy one seventy one years shy your birthday. That's right that's right gave birth that was reading here that the one of the reasons why they delayed when they were delayed was because they were working on the new new york's world fare product grad. Oh interesting as lavar favorite guilty pleasures disneyland disney world in ninety five life they added the very popular player piano feature to the ride and if if you also want us to be further in some versions agents he's playing a rachmaninoff styled version of the ride's theme song grim grinning ghosts and other versions. He's playing like an a minor minor key. The funeral march so depends on where you're at in two thousand and one. You're gonna love this bob disney. A newer more detailed safety safety spiel way up the stairs was added to the onboard audio of the dune buggy in the load area featuring voice over artist paul frees. He's well actually didn't didn't feature him and it featured his impersonator joe lee he because he passed away and it gave a bilingual safety spiel as part of a park wide attempt to increase safety at attractions. He's up the stairs. He's come back down now. You stab there bob. Yeah go get tinkerbell ready in also two thousand and one that is when they first premiered the very popular holiday layover with nightmare before christmas teaming that was at the land has never done that and would love to see it takes a long time they start. I think i i read it. It's something like mid. I'll tell you later on. I have it in yeah. It takes a while for them to totally transform it because there's a lot they add two thousand seven and walt disney. World's version got an update two thousand eleven this is this is really cool. They added the interactive queue that walt disney world that was not always there so the things with the the books that move the musical instruments dot added two thousand fifteen saw the return of the hatbox ghost disneyland he was it. I removed early on in the process because the trick of moving his head to his hatbox wasn't cutting it they didn't they didn't like it so two dozen fifteen was when they finally had the the proper that oh i would love to see it absolutely and also because the one at disneyland looks very different from the one in disneyworld right yeah and then recently twenty nineteen photo pass was added to magic kingdom version and you can get picks via your magic band. They are sent directly to your magic band without you having to scan it yes actually they. They take the picture. This is this kind of ironic. They take the picture as soon as they're done saying. Please no no flash photography. Remember the now because it's the last photo there's a photo on the wall and it flashes yup. That's it. I we didn't know that until later that was the actual picture the tiger tiger girl yes yeah so the right system itself. I love these rights as a while tower of terror so much along with this ride because of the setup right. It's not just the ride which disney ride truly is just a ride. There's there's there's always something something but the fact that you're walking through the interactive queue the fact that when you go into the first room there's a there's a fireplace with with the changing portrait of master gracey and then into the stretching room and then into finally the rides actual cue to get onto the doom buggies so i love it. You're surrounded by that atmosphere for ten minutes minutes before you actually get onto the rock makes it seem more realistic. I think that's why tower of terror so successful. Also yeti feels the same way as well and pirates. You talked about some some of the voices yeah. I have more names. You have names. I have a lot on the voices okay. Gosh we talk about a mention that the main character is master gracey see he's named after imaginer yale gracey who developed many of the illusions including madame liotta. Oh nice nod a nod of the head yes so your ghost host that you really tried hard to to our god. You did not not quite the right words but this is paul frees who this is really cool. He's the voice of borst bad enough in the rocking bowl winkle shells right and he was a friend of voice actor mel blanc he was known as the man of a thousand four hundred also so was the disney who've character professor ludwig von drake along with the auctioneers in pirates of the caribbean and he also recorded dead men. Tell no tales for the ride awesome awesome. The voice was almost walt disney he had recorded it but they went with something else in the end so imagine the ride having walt disney's voice was the the first line of it again. Let me tell you you're going to do bob disney when hinges creep in doorless chain when hinges crew is terrible. This is not safe to get some light on. Oh yeah i think bob visiting the attraction fully lit the whole time. Oh there's no about that yeah. Nothing would look remotely the same you see all the strings and everything yeah you'd be completely safe so this is a cool fact the stretching room that is like pre show to in disneyland win the chamber stretches. You're actually on an elevator that takes you down below because they are are there strapped for space in disneyland used to actually go under the railroad street yeah so that's disneyland disneyworld. They don't have that problem. There's no elevator baiter through the roof. Just grows the paris. I blew the same way cool off to go explore that i think is the same way once you get past the ride queue and your and your doom buggy dougy than you are taken through several different scenes including portrait hall a floating candelabra in a hallway moving doors endless staircases the ballroom madame madam liotta seance the bride's attic hatbox ghost. That's disneyland only the graveyard the hitchhiker's and then finally farewell from little liotta <hes> that's it. That's her hatbox goes. We mentioned he came back in two thousand fifteen that was for the sixtieth anniversary of disneyland so that was a special nothing more on that. The main voice of the singing bustling graveyard is belongs to throw ravenscroft who was the voice of tony the tiger and also sang. You're a mean one. Mr grinch is correct that was him and then the madame liotta inside the crystal ball the disembodied somebody had inside the crystal ball was the voice of eleanor oddly who was also the voice of melissa melissa sent in sleeping beauty and the wicked stepmother lady tremaine and then she's has also greenacres. That's supposed to be greenacres is the play so you think about that voice now. That's all i can hear is melissa recent louis. I didn't think of it sooner now. The actress from adam liotta was liotta tombs which is a great name. She was also in the near and then when they needed to record new footage for the holiday layover. They recorded her daughter. Oh that's neat and that illusion itself is very very cool. Inside the ball is like three d. bust of the head and onto it is projected the animation this is a similar effect it to the ghosts in the graveyard singing the song and then the the whole bus as well the bus different room a bus to different one because those when you first pass the portraits and you see the four or five <hes> bus that follows the tech behind that is it's not a bust. It's a concave bus so it's the inverse of what you think of boss would be which is why they're able to follow. You still super creepy to me now. One of the biggest illusions in the whole ride is there's something called pepper's ghost. This is in the ballroom. When you see the ghost dancing eating dinner having a dual. It's affected us in any different rights <music> absolutely so this is achieved by a projection that is onto a plate of glass and then that reverse projection is than what you end up seeing the ballroom itself so if you think about it spoiler alert if you're going along your car below you is where the animatronic truly are that projection is what you see as you go pass and the same thing with tower terror when the the the the candelabras floating in the air. It's all peppers. Go all the all the occupants of the elevator. Thank thank you to john. Henry pepper pepper's ghost go this effect is also used in the universal parks in escape from grits and 'and fast and the furious supercharged firmly which if we have never mentioned the acting stellar family you talked about about the singing busts and the voices for that now the hitchhiking ghosts at the end of the ride this also use pepper's ghost but in reverse so when you you pass by you actually pass by a wall of mirrors and so the game you are you are reflected in the mir then that's where the production is as well <music> now this was originally going to be a walk through attraction but they saw with with crowd control and flow that would that would never work because that's what i wanna wanna do in the right anyways i want to stop and linger longer to take a look at everything. They abandoned that for the amnon mover system which is what they call their dune buggies the cars ars can rotate in any direction which let's imagine ears control what you see and what you don't see the haunted mansion. Today is still a very popular ride. It's you you can get it with a fast pass. The holiday over continues it closes. This is probably a reason why they can't do it. In walt disneyworld it closes in mid august for for a few weeks some holiday over going yeah and then in early. January closes again to restore it to its regular state now in disneyland. They have a pipe organ. That's actually in there in his <hes>. In the ballroom scene. It's the same organ that's used by james mason and captain nemo and disney's twenty twenty thousand leagues under the sea very cool my favorite parts yeah the prop was modified to use them haunted mansion the organs in other versions of the ride our original replicas because i love watching the notes float up the original and then what else you have the phantom manor in paris is a reimagined version of the ride ride totally different architecture and the plot is totally different. It uses a western plot to fit in with the rest of the land steaming mystic manor over at hong kong disneyland land does not reference any departed spirits or the afterlife because of differences in traditional chinese culture interesting yeah so you get instead the main character after is lord henry mystic and his monkey albert okay. They stumble upon. I think it's like a chester necklace that makes the house objects come to life. Free-trader score by danny. Alvin loved any open. Don't do you know that there is a pet cemetery. Metairie located outside of both disneyland and walt disneyworld indeed and a walt disneyworld one can see tombstone for j thaddeus toad the a hero of the parks long-gone attraction mister toad wild ride. I never noticed that before to look for that next time now in popular culture this was made into a film with very little money the founding to in the ride they took a lot of original ideas says but started eddie murphy in two thousand three and in the movie you had master gracey. You had a madame liotta. You had not not too much else that was from the right itself which was very sad but you did have the the the bus that sank there was a scene with that there was a planned revisiting from <unk> director guillermo del toro but this project is currently up in the air because he left the deal <hes> so that it's probably not going to have wasn't there rumor. Actually being very serious wasn't a rumor rumer at one time. The one of the singing busts was actually well. There's one that looks a lot like him has a very small mustache do so yeah there was a comic book anthology created by i slave labor graphics in two thousand and five and there's also a comic line from marvel comics based on the ride. There was a hard mansion video game released in two thousand three the and the mansion itself is the final level in epic mickey which is very popular video game madame liotta appeared on the a._b._c. show once upon a time which was the combination of all the fairytale characters and then this is the weirdest one there naked ladies performed a cover of grim grinning goes on a nineteen ninety-six album disney's music department notes creak and the tombstones going both awfully happy haunts materialize. They play play hit copyright copyright ten in seconds ten. Oh my god a few extra fun facts that we found about the haunted mansion in the magic kingdom version. You'll see tombstones in the graveyard honoring imagine here's mark mark davis and claude coats. They read brother claude and grandpa mark very cool. The hidden magic of walt disneyworld by susan vanessa book reports that you'll find other imaginary an artist names including imaginer tony baxter as brother dave yale gracey as master gracey as we mentioned an ex c._o. Wing wayne greasy lingering exit ten zero who scripted the ride and lyrics of grim grinning ghosts as francis xavier social aw yeah so if you have any other fun haunted mansion trivia for us that we missed or if you just wanna call us and let us know what your favorite the scene of a dog call us. Please call it's eight one four three one four nine four eight two you can also reach out to us on facebook twitter and instagram instagram and we always love to hear from you on apple podcast for review or on facebook to deter or on or on spotify yeah we yes we. We are also on spotify. If that's your podcast listening preference we love to see you on there as well and once again as always if you need vacation help with your disney trip. Please let me know. I am a vacation ear. I am a licensed disney travel agent so you can find me on facebook at vacation near kate or on twitter. This has been episode twelve. We'll see next week for episode of thirteen tuttle and hurry uh-huh rain yarn certificate <music>.

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Crisis on Infinite Earths: Parts 1, 2 & 3

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Crisis on Infinite Earths: Parts 1, 2 & 3

"Yeah the world's will live live world's will die in the Arrow verse will never be the same. Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the Phantom Wendems- zone podcast on one of your co host. Charles skaggs back in the fan zone once again. Not Talking watchmen this time. We're GONNA take a little side aide detour for a little bit to talk about. Oh just this. Little event known as crisis on infinite earths the dixie. W Do air overs crossover joining me of course is my fellow Phantom Zone Co host Jesse Jackson and a low Charles ask you. I'm doing great your prices. I'm ready I am and because this is a crossover we couldn't just do it with Jesse N- myself we had to bring in somebody else to do a special crisis crossover so joining us all the way from Milan. It only once again actually for the very first time here in the Phantom Zone. I stand corrected DJ. Nick welcome to the Phantom Zone. PODCAST I well. Hey guys thanks so much yes indeed this is my back official baptism or risk if you will on the on the condom zone podcast. I'm I'm so so happy you know it's like I said to you guys whenever I get to talk few boats and do this stuff with you. It's like Hannukah Christmas and Kwanza Owning once. Thank you so so much for this early Hanukkah gift really appreciates that. Don't worry don't worry nick. Your Genitalia will remain intact. Once enough is enough. I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah you don't need anymore. snipped off so for those who don't know here the Phantom Zone podcast if you're if you're not familiar digi nick the host of the wonderful whiskey and cigarette show where where he talks about country music and also the host of the new happiness in darkness podcast where he talks comic book movies movies so he kind of does the movie version of what we do here on the fan zone podcast and of course does it far better than yours truly. That goes without saying right. So those I would I would tend to disagree Chaussbourg so As you can tell You know we've know nick for a little while. Now he's been kind enough to join us on Titan. Talk the titans podcast and of course on next up everywhere the doctor who podcast less than Bruce Bruce. He's done the Charles and Jessie try right. Well now it's now it's now it's because now he's here on the fan zone podcast so we'll just see figure out how to get him on ghost. Would somehow I think I think my opening opening theme should be. I've been everywhere you know hayward that was a great johnny cash version in my opinion so I love Janis version so yes all right see we even worked a little country music for you go all right all right so Yeah Crisis Earth. So we're going to talk about parts one two and three and so. This was the the first three episodes of the five part. Crossover the air just this week because here we are talking on a Thursday just two days after part three on the flash so so part one with supergirl Part two was bad woman. Part three was the flash rush. And you know I'm dying to get your thoughts on this before we get started though. I WANNA throw a quick question to both of you. Ah did either of you happen to re read crisis on infinite earth and the original. DC COMICS MAXI series by Barb Wolfman and George Perez before watching in the CW crossover. I did not. You did not nick. How about you indeed? I did yes I binged binge read it and I have to say it was one heck of a crazy read as it our listeners do not read it all in one set to in when syncing because you will start to lose touch with reality strange so I did read it and I loved re re reading it and for for those who have not read read it please please pick it up. It's amazing yeah. I reread par issues. One through eight. I didn't get through. I figure I could probably you know like Iran time but I figured I'd be okay because parts. Four and five are in January so as long as I read it before. Then I'll be good right so I definitely you wonder I. I had a feeling about the flash episodes so I made sure I read it through eight for the for the death of Barry Allen the flash in the comic book series stories and Apparently I was justified in doing so. So and she will as we'll talk about so guys early thoughts before we get started because I want to break this up into We'll break this down by episode by so we'll do we'll talk supergirl for a little while Al.. We talk for a while. And then what stock of course the flash so parts wants human three in that order understandably enough You know before we get started though. Jesse let's start with you What are your general thoughts about the first three episodes? I don't know if they could have done a better her job I truly don't I think that you know the And you know I really enjoyed enjoyed The their version of talking dead with Kevin Smith the crisis aftermath spell. Yeah I I really enjoyed that right and I I you know the Marku by right talked about if we if we came up with a hundred ideas and only do fifty of the cool ones we still had fifty call items and I just think everything about this has been a perfect it you you don't get a lot of a time with every character but the ones you do the time you get a really well done. I am so far very very happy with us. Good Nick how about you. What are your general reactions on on this? What we've seen so far? I would pretty much echo Jesse's feedings as compared to the previous two crosses of course which were not at this level. Should we say of all when it comes to doing. You know such a huge crossover rents i. I think we could almost equate it to the TD version of end of infinite infinity. War in an endgame. Because that's how big I think the scope wars fatigue and buying large. I thought it was incredible. It was amazing how they were able to balance everything so well like I said it was incredible Davis basis in depth but to be able to get everything to work properly and for the storyline to make sense and I think also I tried to see it somewhat it from the perspective of somebody who had no concept of what a comic book crossover is. What a big crossover event is like on the scale and I think they did a wonderful job? Also for the neophyte compared to somebody who like ourselves is used to a huge event in comics. Yeah I- echoing both your sentiments guys. you know obviously as you can tell by the decor behind me with all my big crisis hardcovers And Crisis Crossover hardcovers. I'm a huge crisis Geek. I've loved this story ever since it came out in one thousand nine hundred five thousand nine hundred six Obviously coming off of MARV Wolfman and George Perez is tremendous run on the new teen. Titans and you know Oh being a fan of their work and watch in reading this phenomenal event for DC fiftieth anniversary. Back in one thousand nine hundred five You know where for the first time. We saw the rebooting of a a major comics universe in their in their chronology energy and I know reboots have been commonplace especially in light of recent years but you know back in eighty five eighty six. This was something huge. This was this was a monumental event. We'd never seen anything like this. especially on this scale where every DC character just about was involved often this crossover even if it was just a cameo appearance like on some of the characters. Here in this era verse Crossover and so this. This is something I've always wanted to seon screen or you know. I thought it would have been great to see it in an animated form. You know like you know like an animated series or movie Because of the scale of it but you know you have to take what you can get so we get but thankfully we get at least five episodes of this crossover spanning of course all the the main. CW Air over shows news and featuring all the characters that we've known from the beginning all the way dating back to Stephen and Mel who essentially you know like the the Robert downey junior of the Arrow verse. Where where he you know? He founded that That modern Renaissance and and so so I have to take into consideration. Okay yes it's not what it daily what I would want. Not because hey you've got practical. TV LIMITATIONS YOU GOT TV budgets and you've got all these guest stars and you're already probably pushing things as it is so so obviously there had to be things that had to be sacrificed. So so I'm you know I try to keep that in perspective but given their limitations and and you know and given the way their continuity has gone in the air over so far. I think this is a phenomenal event. Absolutely so chauvel yes all right. So if you haven't heard of meat gushing about that enough All right so let's get started. Let's get into our first Episode Episode supergirl episode. Nine of the show's fifth season crisis and infinite earths part one aired on Sunday December eighth twenty nineteen tele play by Derek Simon and Jay. Farber a name that Jesse and I are familiar with the dating all the way back to Jay being a member of the original Titan Talk Amateur Press Association that we all belong to you back back in the nineties. Yeah always like and I've always been a little bit. Not a little bit very proud of the work. He's done he's he's done some great Comic Work I've really enjoyed that The couple times I've emailed him. He's been very nice at least pretending to remember who I was. And you know and I was just thrilled that He's very active on twitter. And it just seems it's like he's having a blast and this was it was just a great start. Yeah and you know yes I realize I'm outing him as a fan fiction writer from back in the nineties but obviously he's gone into the bigger and better things and I'm pretty sure he's okay with that. Housing turned out. I'm guessing directed by Jesse warn. Who is one of the regular directors on supergirl and obviously we had some notable guests stars? I mean in addition to all the main cast asked which is we could be here another half hour just reading that cast but I did want to mention the guest cast here. We had Erica. Durant's as super girl's mother mother allure Zora. who had been seen before? Obviously Burt Ward returning as Dick Grayson in a very great cameo. Robert Wall comes out of nowhere. Yes you reprise. Alexander Knox from the one thousand nine hundred eighty nine Batman. Yes which was immensely cool us. Were hoping for Michael Keaton. But you know you take what she can get and It was so cool to see Robert Wall And obviously with Jesse and I being host of the titans of Titan talk the titans podcast not the APP We were glad to see a quick cameo of Alan Richardson as Hawk and Karen Walters as the Second Robin. Yes from Earth. Nine as we find out titans on earth nine and we got to see Russel. Toby the as the Ray. You whom you may remember from the Crisis Unearth X.. Crossover yes not too long ago. A couple years ago so and yes don't forget. Yes the Bat Hound Ace the Bat because he agrees walking walking working as the bad house but he wasn't wearing his mask. No so he's he's so great said so he was in in his civilian the same way. Well that Dick is so. He wasn't eastbound. He was just eight. Okay Fair enough fair enough okay yes. I know semantics teasing now all right all right so so before we get talking about this. Let's let's talk really quickly about the cameos in this wine and nick. Let's start with you first on this one. Then we'll get to Jesse because I'm sure he's got a few thoughts. What is your take on the on the cameos that we got in this in this first episode? Well I was geeking out like old outdoors when it came to the cameos because recently the impact on happiness knotweed actually discussed Batman from eighty nine with John. Sarno common friend of Alice. Yes and and two zero but again you know after having recently re watched Batman and myself being a huge fan it I feel that was actually the very first bill. Might my parents took me two hours. Seven seven years old at the time we went to see it and it was just wonderful. I did not expect that and not to mention the Easter egg of him reading the newspaper with. He's the Batman from that movie and of course you hear the hint of the school from the film as well which is one of my favorite scene songs songs as as it together with Superman one by in blown away by that and of course who doesn't have a cameo by but woods. That was another wonderful wonderful way with the F. appearances well and what was great was they could have just thrown the these. These sort of appearances away not done so much for them but even even though she received would just had a few minutes on screen it was so poignant and so strong it was enough to be good fan service but at the same Anton it meant something. And that's what I very much appreciated the how this event is being handled so I was very just as happy as Larry when I saw. Oh these these these folks these folks that we'd known you know in previous incarnations in other shows movies and Jessie how about you. Yeah I you know Oh word had leaked out that there were going to be a lot of cameos and I think that was wisely done. I think that is a perfect way to get us. Excited But it was still great to see burt ward and him you know do one of his traditional title Holy Reds. You know Is just perfect I I made the joke that I I did not catch until afterwards that ace made a cameo I just said you know Burt Ward in real. Life does a dog food he has. He has a company that makes makes a very healthy dog food. And so I was like Oh look. They had him because of his work with a dog foods. They've got a dog and then afterwards words. I read someone you know as the town. I went the Ray was was a nice shot that To their err previous crossover seeing the titans just it did you. Did you expect that I kind China hoped that we'd get a little tightness right I also think it's a little fun to see the earth number and do the kind of. Oh what's its earth. Sixty six because it was Batmans sixty-six. Yes you know. Yeah that's the reason that there is a little Easter egg in those earth numbers. Yes I like kind of puzzled. By what the Earth nine is. I didn't either But a lot of them you were able to get at it. It just was a really way to set the table And I also I I don't know if this is a complaint or compliment so it's kind of both it. It didn't feel like a supervisor girl episode. It didn't feel like a bad woman episode. It didn't feel like a flash episode. It it just I felt like this unique thing. even though I guess you actually were part of that like that. The you know the show runners and their the riders and the crew. It was for each of them. Because you when you read a little bit behind the scenes about how welcoming each cast was and all that stuff so so I just think he was awesome. Great Start. Yeah I mean yeah. 'cause they use a lot of the for each episode they use their writers their their directors directors and a lot of ways and it seems like they have a a little bit of a Emphasis more than the others others like the Super Bowl episode had a little bit more to do with the supergirl Setting in the bat woman episode had that woman setting a little bit and then released the Batman setting and then the flash obviously had more of a flash setting for for as far as screen time goes but But I love all the cameos. I love the fact that they weren't intrusive. I love the fact that you know they do. The convince Cameos at the beginning. Kind of get things out like just kind of gets you pumped trumped up a little bit and you know it kind of heightens. Things makes things more exciting. So that when you're then they dive right into the story or back into the story. In later episodes I think it just raises the enthusiasm level. It's almost kind of like a and yes it is kind of like is fan service but so what I mean because because you know why not I mean this is. This is a huge event. You're rewarding everybody just like marvel did when with infinity entity war and you know and and End Game where you have all these characters and you're rewarding the your audience for you're staying with you all those years and watching all those movies and spending all that money so on their on their merchandise and whatnot and so. DC's they get their chance to do that here with with the With the errors and so why not have fun with it. Exactly exactly. I mean I intend to win. Lower was actually saying you know the Fan Service Charles. Unfortunately now you know the would find service has now derogatory connotations behind would say it's fan service in in the in the positive sense as in. You're doing it as almost almost present to the fans. It's like here's what you get you know for being subpoenaed for sticking with US throughout these years. This is all kind of thank you to you as fats. And when you do casting right That is a nod to the past In in most cases they're actually good actors to begin with so why not give this You know that that chance is that you know. How cool is it? Originally when Helen Slater played you know cares adopted. Mom Right You know because She's a good actress. And you you want that connection. So I agree. SMALLMAN SMALLVILLE had that did that as well. You know the reference to Lois and Clark actors and supergirl You know and so it's just. It's this kind of traditional Lois and Clark even had like adventures of Superman actors. There's and Superman the movie actors on. Yes so it's it's it's a nice tradition. That's been started. And it's a great way for like an especially in the case of burt ward to bring everything full circle all the way back to the one thousand nine hundred sixty six Batman TV show well and we're going to talk about at this when we get to episode to episode three right Two different actors have said in interviews. Who's they were so happy they got endings right and so we'll talk about that? Yes spoilers you know. We'll definitely definitely talk about that for part three. I'm yeah absolutely. Yeah because remember. Remember who you're talking to hear absolutely so we're GONNA talk about Mr John Wesley Shipp. Don't you worry again and I and I and I you know I mean to a little bit the paragon are the macguffin. We gotta have this but I think it worked. Well I think there. There's a little bit of mystery. I like the interactions of the team. Back and forth It was just really good. Yeah and everyone got a chance to shine. So let's really quickly. Let's talk about some of the the the events that took place in this first episode highlights After stir of course you know the Cameos We see This horrible sequence of events where Argo city is being threatened in by the antimatter wave. And there's a great echoing of where you have Lois and Clark who are have relocated there under that Red Sun and so that they could raise their son Jonathan You know the and they have to put him in an escape pod. Echoing all the way back to Superman's origin. Where Jor El and Lara? Put Cal in that pot. So here's cal l after you know. His parents did that to him. Sending him to birth to escape crept destruction. Now he has to do it to his own son. So Jesse so well done Jesse what did you think of that. I I it. Watching I did and I liked it because It yes it's on the nose. Guess they're hitting you over the head. Hey look remember how cal was sent now than he's having to do the same the thing And then I you know I I love the fact that they told us. Afterwards that the dialogue was almost directly from Marlon Brando. Superman moves yes And that was great I was really It was touching being in. DC that I liked it a lot and I was it. It felt right. It felt right that this this hero. you know. We do this for his own. Son was absolutely yes. And because of obviously Lois and Clark one it would obviously sacrifice themselves for Jonathan. Because that's who they are and yet how about nick how about you. What do you make of that sequence? You what I I love the fact that this coal back to of course the superman origins being a huge man by myself my only only criticism was I would have expected a few MOATS. Here's from Elizabeth to lock and Tyler coach. Linda's case because you're sending away your only son and they seemed upset about it but I would. I thought they would have been more heartbroken. Because you know this is your own flesh and blood. So would've expected just a little bit more a little bit more emoting on that thousand thousand that I absolutely loved it. I mean I'm a huge fan of visible because I was a huge big follower of the TV series Grimm Leach. I didn't know I didn't realize that. Okay Yeah Okay and she ended up marrying her co lead in real life. Yeah so yes. She was amazing and grim. And I'm so thrilled that they brought her into this verse today I didn't know that that's cool. All right yeah. The I agree nick. I think that there should have been a little bit more emotion for that scene. Especially you know I thought that Tyler Heck. Lynn should've just had this hort. Like look of horror on his face when he making that decision like realizing that. And and you know I don't know if it's more him or if it was the director Jesse warn but yeah I would. I would pump that for a little bit more emotion but otherwise I thought it was amazing. That was that was my because it's a minor gray but I think it's fair one. It is yeah I think it could could have been played barry especially after John Wesley ships exit And how more effective. I think that was more because yes because the. CW has often done heart tugging scenes so you think they would play. Would milk list like there was no tomorrow right. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I totally agree all right. We see harbinger now Lyla michaels. WHO's been on era for quite a while? Now she's rocking the harbinger costume and powers and she's gathering all the various heroes for the Monitor and she brings them to. Do on Earth thirty eight. Because hey it's the supergirl episode. So what better place for a headquarters right and and you start seeing quantum towers or as you know. We used to call him back in the day. The giant tuning forks that was routing up out of the ground. You know these little devices the monitor so so so nick what what did it mean to you to Kinda see those iconic crisis characters and artifacts coming to life. Well when Audrey Mary Anderson said I'm Harbinger I was like no way you know just like Oh my God so happy about it and I was fist bumping and everything else it was wonderful and we got the towers it was straight out of the Comex and you know having recently read the comic version again as we mentioned the fact that the seeing those I think it was anybody who's read the comics must've just had a field of so happy to see that You know because this was yes there you go exactly and I was almost. I hope I know it might be a long shot but I hope that later down the line they it might hint about the concept of metal because of course we know that. That's what the NATO So. I hope they do that. I really do. Because maybe they'll say the the Dark Knight Metal Crossover. They might do for sure but other than that. I was a super super happy about it and I just couldn't wait great to see more of this because I thought they are on the right track. This is going the way I hoped it would go and so young definitely no complaints and plus love Audrey Audrey Marianne Marie whenever she's onscreen and just just see what your thoughts a-. I'm exactly the same place. I was very happy That that we had this You know this chance to see this It there there. It appears they're doing everything right right so I was really happy with this right. Yeah yeah I I feel the same way you know if the just to see the you you know the fact that they did the the Quantum Tower or the quantum towers accurately. And you know any look John F. just as is like exactly like you want them to not just some device cooked up like a little miniature version star labs somewhere. I was very happy about that and I've been a lot of fans especially myself. You know they knew that. LYLA MICHAELS was the real name of harbinger from crisis in the comics. So you know. We've been kind of waiting sitting around for years like well. She got to become harbinger. And here. It is we are at the crisis crossover. And she's harbinger. So I'm really glad they went there. It means a lot worse because hey she's an established character. It's not just somebody so it's like it makes perfect sense all right so another big moment was when As the heroes are preparing to defend the tower Oliver gives his daughter Mia smoke oke her own green Arrow suit before talking to berry. And so so we had a kind of a passing of the torch moments with giving Was it here Catherine what's her name. I'm blanking under name McNamara. Yeah Oh Nick Damara okay tomorrow all right all right I stand corrected McNamara. Thank you so Giving her green Arrow suit because hey she's getting her own spinoff green Arrow in the canaries. So perfect timing right so yeah so I I love the fact that you know hey just like crisis kind of spawned new. Heroes during the crossover you know heroes like the second wildcat you'll end up bond says or the female doctor lights or or others This crisis is doing the same thing. Yes so so Jesse. Let's start with you. What what are your thoughts on that? That passing the torch moment so I really loved. I enjoy Wade. The future kind of story line that they've had all year with And so I love the idea of giving the suit and and Seeing a male is playing this very almost like this world weary person like yeah you know I I. I know that there's a lot going on here and so I really liked it. I was very happy with it and Just everything they perked was perfect. Yeah you think about all the stuff that he's done Aro- in you know the the five years on the end you and traveling across the world. It wasn't that he wasn't just on the end. You as we found out right Arrow me. He's just probably a little burned out by this point and he's ready to He he wants to give everything up and get back with with Felicity well what I'm taking is. He knows knows he's supposed to die. Okay so that is. He knows he can't change that he's putting things in order before he leaves. Yes Taksin. That's how I looked at that. That's that's the weariness I saw is that And and yeah. He's trying to get his affairs in order. So that when this happens because you know if you remember they had the great episode where they kept doing doing You know groundhog day. Which I love that idea that that is now a shorthand? If you're in any show you go. We're doing groundhog okay. Oh okay now I understand the But with quit right just kept. He couldn't save him. Yeah and I which was a great great use of him coming back to For this final season so I I was really happy I also loved kind of jumping ahead the surprise of killing Green Arrow that early. It's like Oh wait a minute I was. I was GONNA bring that up next but if you want to talk about it go ahead. Well you've one of the things that has made crisis stand the test of time versus. Some of the other books that have used that term is is. This was consequences that lasted for years. Berry Allen died yes resort whilst by wild west Flash for the you know like next yes Until two thousand eleven carrizo L.. died read there was no supergirl. I mean you know brainiac five. You know mourned her and this stuff. They're the you know all of a sudden The Google Earth One on earth to only existed in one universe so the Justice Society lose to the Justice League. They weren't two different. You know that happened and that stayed for years so I like the idea that they're you you know. Hey we've killed one of our league characters. We said we're going to do it. And guess what doing it right away. So I was very happy with non act. Were you shocked at the quickly. A little bit. But it was As they say it was a good death you know him doing what he had to do. And I thought that was a great death scene where you know. He's talking to his daughter so that was just really well done okay. Let's get nick on this. So Nick what were your thoughts on on the passing of the torch and Oliver's death scene. Well if you Stephen Katherine Katherine McNamara have a Great Chemistry and they definitely work that father daughter relationship super super well and I'm really looking forward to seeing what will happen to this upcoming Arrow series which way apparently Katherine McNamara will be leading the team as it were and you know when you do get those very intimate. Let's talks new passing the torch you kind of feeding that. Something's GonNa Happen Pretty soon because if you know. TV or movies have taught me anything. Think it's when that moment happens you know something's going to go wrong and and it's a yoga at all you know he's just he's just saying this because he has to say and he's passing on the towards was he asked to but you like being something's GonNa go horribly wrong by the end of the episode and you know and did we talk about a great way of going out. As with the character. We talked recently redone. The titans season to recap talked about cheap deaths with Donna Troy completely the opposite here because it came full circle the characters incredibly well served though the same time I I can say maybe a little bit of pretension that I had a feeding we don with Stephen a male just yet but at least as far as the you know the as appearances throughout the throughout the the Corso but it was beautiful here. And here's the case of great emoting. Because this was tugging at your heartstrings and you could feel that the two actors were really invested in the moment and I absolutely I love that. Yeah I was a little surprised that they did this thing that you know. They killed off Oliver soon. But then you know in in in very next episode in in Partout and Bat woman there are already trying to resurrect him so yeah so any sense of loss is quickly written off because Oh hey they're trying to bring Oliver back already so it so it wasn't as emotional. I don't think as it could have been but but especially in a but maybe we're gonNA get a stronger death scene maybe in part five. Perhaps it'd be or or if you take an account will hey they still have four episodes of Arrow laughed before that show signs off. So what if they kill them off how they get through the next four episodes. I guess we'll see but thank you. And the father A Children's theme obviously is pervasive throughout this crossover. Because of course you have this case and of course you have when he comes in multiple coastal Black lightning with his his family backgrounds and so there is a lot of parental situations going on and I think that sexual beautiful theme which carries on and throughout the series as well. I think so all right now Really quickly because we're obviously going to running on time here so Does Zebedee have like one or two favorite lines from the episode. They WANNA share. Yeah it's not no worries it. Yeah I know I kind of have mine altogether so yeah so. I've nothing big in the first. Would you have any. Yeah I mean I just. I've got a few just a couple of really quick I like Sarah Lance to Rape Palmer. where she's saying you know? What after their trivia tonight loss well? Congratulations you changed. History and lost US Trivia night. I thought that was very funny. Good time travel joke Like Superman with Oliver Queen. We know this is the tyler. Heckman Superman Where he's saying I'm going after him referring to Jonathan Jonathan and Oliver Says Clark can't and superman replies. Those are two words. I'm not used to hearing in my silent. Needs me. Yeah that was well done all right Ratings Jessie. What's your rating for this one? So I'M GONNA give it part one. Yeah part one. You know I'm GONNA give it nine out of ten Rockets sent from Argo city tonight. Nick how about you. I'm on the same page with Jesse I'm going to give it nine over ten red skies. Nice I was I was Kinda stole my but I have a little bit the very ation on that one. So I think we're on agreement on this one I give it nine out of ten holy Crimson skies of death. Nice Nice well done good for you or all right absolutely. That was because that was epic epic. Line all right. Let's move on part to The ninth episode of that Woman Season One crisis part two which aired the following day on December nine twenty nine thousand nine written by Don Whitehead and Holly Henderson Anderson directed by Laura Belsey so we have some writers and directors from The Bat Woman TV series and this one we have guest appearances once again and by Erica. Durant's but this time is the earth 167 lowest lane as we know from Smallville and we had the amazing appearance of Kevin Conroy. As Bruce Wayne from Earth Ninety nine. So how was it. Just to hear Kevin Conroy as Batman Batman Jonathan Check reprises Jonah Hex but this time from Earth Eighteen Tom of course as Clark Kent from Earth One sixty seven. In the SMALLVILLE earth I guess and we had the voice of Wentworth Miller doing the voice of the Leonard. Ai As an in an apparently artificial intelligence based off of his captain cold character. And that's from Earth seventy four a a version where the legends retired. I guess so So any any thoughts from either view on these guest stars before before we get into Topics go ahead. Jesse I you know The fact in an interview Tom Welling it said well. Okay you wrote a scene that I can't say no to And it is just it was perfect. It just truly was and to have Kevin Conroy. Who is who to to? Many people is the voice of Batman. A defendant BENEFA- yeah yeah to have him be able to play it on screen and to play a kind of you know calm version yes. Damaged is just gives him a lot of fun to do It was just really really great to see and It I felt like they step their game up in the second episode sewed which was hard to do because we were all gushing about how good the first one was. Yeah exactly and nick any general thoughts about cameos. Well I. I was a huge fan of smallville growing up so I was super happy to see Tom. Welling again my has the guy gotten big. I was like wow what you humanity is amazing. Met Him I met him in person. Recently here Columbus for was a real Columbus and yeah dude is Jack's I was like. Wow you know so I was blown away by that. He was one of the CMO again. And of course being a huge fan of Batman the animated series and also so the all come video games which also voiced by Kevin Conroy. I was super super happy to see him. It was interesting. The version of Bruce Wayne they gave him in this particular episode but it was one of the here is for his voice just beautiful why. NBA Voice so so much. Join Buddy yes we. Yeah I think we would all love that voice just if nothing else just to just how intimidating and the authoritative it is yes. It's fantastic. I mean you think that man my old repeat saying that voice granted it was. It was funny when we were you know if you watch the crisis aftermath aftermath specials where where he was asked to read lines in in the Batman Voice and that was pretty funny but yeah it was it was very good sport about it. He was on Kevin. Smith's podcast earlier Several years ago and he told the story that right after nine eleven Everyone was wanting to do something and He went there and someone said well. What we really need is like like can you cook? And he's like. Hey I'm an actor I've slot so he was in the back cooking eggs and doing everything and so The story as he tells it is Someone's like you know who's cooking breakfast. Who Batman the Ha- get Outta here and he said while scrambling eggs? I am night. I am the Vince iceman. Yeah and just this music nick. I just think that is so amazing that you know. Here's these first responders tired and to think that you know Batman is cooking cooking. Their eggs was a great story. That's amazing indeed. So yeah it was wonderful to see these. These folks will have to be on this. I would have been even happier if vite seeing my friend. John Schneider there as well but I suppose you know yeah well remember. He was killed off so exactly exactly in fact I I remember that so I said okay. Why why was he? Maybe he should've been on Lianne you you know if you had if you had oliver going there and you had the specter showing up up Jonathan Kent while you're at it in exactly me bogus. It's it's it's it's just meal loving John for what he does just means a great guy that he isn't just you know I know how much he loves mobile in how much into him so it was like. Oh It's a shame that you can give you anything to do in this crossover but other than that. I was super super the happy with this for sure. Yeah I think I've talked. We've talked about that nick that You know he's my favorite. Jonathan can't shoot to tell him that the way we appreciate yeah he was amazing he was perfect. Yeah he's he's he's Jonathan. Kent you want you know. And and in in just to throw Kevin Costner. I'm throwing a little more. You know love on Smallville I I always look at Smallville. And then I look at the The Star Wars You know officially early Middle Trilogy but the trilogy that supposedly it's going I the Darth vader saga and. I never felt as much as I did. I wanted lex luther to be good. I mean Smallville and his role the way they played that and they wrote that you kept wanting to believe you didn't want him to go down that dark path. And so to see smallville treated with such respect and such love of I you know I'm a little glimpse I gotTa Tell You. I got a little misty here in the eyes but you know if you noticed they said that lex becomes president. Yes so So we did go down that dark time. Line that that the prophesized or whatever rate line yes so yeah. And he's he's probably like probably getting impeached right now just all right So this this episode is notable because because this is where they bring in the kind of bringing the legends of tomorrow into the story line You know we get the introduction of the paragon concept up so that we find out supergirl is the paragon of hope and White Canary Sara Lance is the paragon of destiny. And apparently. There's two more in the book you know we find out. There's like another Clark Kent somewhere who has lost more than any man should be the paragon truth while there is like and there's also paragon of courage if you go visit Bruce Wayne on earth ninety nine and Obviously that turns out to be bat woman so we can and Let's see so We have a mentioned that felicity smoke has something called the Tome of the Guardians. And I'm wondering wondering if that's going to come into play later in the in the series in parts foreign five of the Monitor Saves lex Luther speaking the of lex Luther and brought him along just to basically caused trouble with the reasoning. Oh he has has a part to play and it's like well could he have done that. You know or somebody else to play that part. Maybe why did he get luther. But but okay I guess he did choose from heroes and villains in comics. I guess all right So so Obviously just reeling off the death of Oliver. They come up with a plan. Hey let's track down a Lazarus pit only to find out that thea destroyed them all on earth one so we have to kind of go elsewhere to Others where there's still some Lazarus pits that the hasn't gotten to yet to bring Oliver back. And we have Irish mission joining Lois and Clark in finding the Crypt Tony. In which of course turns out to be Brandon routh as the Earth Ninety six superman in honor of course of his Starring in Superman returns which came out of course in one thousand nine hundred six. So so what was everybody's reaction to Brandon routh donning the superman costume once again and I know I keep pretty hard about it. I'm sure Jesse did to suggest. What are your thoughts really quick? Yeah I was really happy. I did not have I mean I think when you pull pull apart almost any movie and especially DC movies you can you can. You can find it lacking but I remember Britain time enjoying that movie and really liking. How he played Superman and Clark and This was he was right there you know. He was very different than Ray Yeah and which you should be You know that's that's the that's the skills and actor that he's able to make characters distinctive. Yeah and and I love seeing the two Superman Dan in Iraq and you know nice glasses and kind of feeling back and forth and and him despite all the losses the idea and He still optimistic and I think that's one of the things. Tyler brings to the role to who is he. He appears he's having fun. Yes he superman and yes. He takes his responsibility seriously. But when he's guest starred on supergirl he he's he's having fun and so I like that even though and it was a great fight scene gene I just loved everything about that. That was great. Yeah I know I love the fact that you're like you said he was optimistic and I was glad that he obviously didn't go down. Earth Ninety six. Go down the road of Earth Ninety nine Batman so I liked that a lot Nick what about you. What did you make of brain? Ralph Returning Superman. I have to say I cannot wait for somebody to choose. Superman returns on happiness dot. DOC discuss it because I really want to go back and watch IT I. I was so tempted to do it before watching this but I said to myself I'M GONNA hold put it on hold to somebody chooses it so I can watch it again because I do have very fond memories of that movie and definitely produce to brand new route Doing such a great job of distinguish himself between Rape Eh and this superman and I think the interaction as Jesse was saying between the two Superman was wonderful. I thought you know as as a fan of Dr who it made me smile because it made me think of the crosser events of the day of the doctor when you have the Pentagon after losses on that. Yeah Yeah and so I had that in my head you know that was. I am sure you guys did sue so I felt that was that was brin and only know it was. I just love Brandon Ralph Through from both on legends on in Superman written so it was it was just splendid spending stuff and I'm so glad that they gave him this ro and they The fact that you had played the man of steel previously. Yeah I've always felt. That brand out is a very underrated superman. I agree because Superman returns wasn't as good as we would've liked. I don't think I think Brandon routh should be held in higher regard word because I thought he did phenomenal job in that movie. You know especially you know echoing. Christopher Reeve without trying to do an imitation tation for process so I liked that a lot. the other big thing obviously in this is where Kate and Kara go-to Earth Ninety nine and they encounter Bruce Wayne only. It's not the Bruce Wayne we were hoping for and It's the Jesse said it's kind of like the kingdom come version where he's wearing the exoskeleton suit from kingdom come but but it's not the kingdom come personality per se. It's more this way this we find out that This is bruce that has gone over. The edge has has taken up killing and had to be stopped by Superman. They have big throwdown where that Earth's Batman Killed Superman but in the process S. became horribly crippled in the process. So Nick. Let's start with you because I know you're a huge Batman Geek What is your reaction to Kevin Conroy? Playing this particular Batman it was a very inter- I it was very interesting. They gave him this kind kind of Batman to play because obviously in Batman the animated series and Video Games. He is very much you'll straight classic Batman and to give him. Shall we say this salads almost hired version of a character very similar to a certain extent to Dark Knight returns. That's that's what I had in mind especially when we found out that he killed superman. I kind of had the tendency my mind when I saw that. And but it was a huge shocker. At the same time I I say once again I say Kudos to the writers forgiving the this because you think to yourself okay. This is a guy who is pretty much crippled. What's he what function will he play? Within the the grand scheme of things is he going to be the calculating mind. Because you know of course. The Batman is a genius so it could have played that role on the team when you find out that he's not exactly your friendly neighborhood Batman as it were. He's kind of a totally. The opposite I was I was shocked I was I was genuinely shocked at that but I think having Conradi that wonderful wonderful job and being used to just hearing his voice back she seem physically acting. I was just so so happy I absolutely love. I think Ruby rose Who I was on the fence about I on the bat woman series has really grown into the role that she did and she did a wonderful job in Banja with breath? Karen Koehler Roy. So congratulations to both Ruby. Anza Kevin for sure in the in the scenes they had together. Yeah that was You know with with bat woman. It almost almost felt like that was a turning point for her where she's able to see the road that she could go down and maybe has to kind of reevaluate. Anyway things a little bit so we'll see where that leads her and Jessie what what. What are your thoughts about About that woman and Super Meeting this particular Batman well what I loved is they. They didn't they they went all in You know you. We didn't have a redemption Ark with this version of Bruce Wayne he he was He thought he did the right thing. He was Convinced even in his death you know and I liked that. I liked that a lot that you know they because this earth breath you know right. This place has been so damaged so I I loved that the way they did that and show that And we've already talked about it with so great to see you know him under. He's got a suit underneath the EXO skeleton and someone showed a picture sure of kingdom come Bruce wars suit underneath the skeleton and it was just really nice. Done seeing the Fox guy. You Know Vox Lucius Fox. You know kind of trying to have to provide them. I mean well. Actually it's Luke Fox. I'm sorry it's because Lucas Lucius Sun on and I like the idea that supergirl Oh and bat woman right kate. And Kara are bonding and I see you know that's a really really nice Extra thing that we hope we can see in the future i. I liked that their version of the world's finest for US old time comics. Yeah that was. That was something that was kind of introduced in else world a little bit that world because you know where they shake hands and then you know Guggenheim on the on. The crisis aftermath special talked talked about how there would be a relationship to kinda replace. The you know the Stephen Mel Grant Gust in you know Oliver Queen Barry Allen Relationship and obviously I think this is it. I think this especially once if if what I think happens and everybody ends up on the same earth by the time of part five. Yeah Going forward you that they'll be able to see each other interact more often and so So the because essentially that's kind of like yeah the CW version of the Superman Batman relationship the world's finest relationship hip and Only this time obviously with a feminine. Twist and I'm okay with I'm perfectly okay with that all right and so there's some other things and now we need to get moving Just really quickly I'm GonNa hit the highlights you know like we had Constantine showing up again in so I was very happy about that being constant you know. Hey did constantly podcast back in the day so of course. I'm going to be geeked about that Heatwave they've babysitting Jonathan was awesome. I loved him reading the book. And I I love that continuing subplot that he's actually a romance. That's right writer. And people love him then even either this alternate earth version is. Yeah does that. Yeah I think it was pretty funny and go ahead and of course the big cliffhanger where we get to see at long last a live action version of the Anti Monitor sure. Yes so quick thoughts about that before we get into Quotes I was very happy with the way they did it because I think if they took it directly from the comics might have seen cheese. It works on the printed page but it might not have worked in live action so Israeli happy the way they did and just anything else from you about that. No I just. It was great to see and You know once again. They're they're rolling along telling great stories young. All right Jessi anecdotes about this episode So yeah couple go for it so The quick one. Yeah when Ray Palmer goes love your suit if you want. I could probably give it upgrade and cake visit how attached you are to your hand and Very Hummer's pretty attached and I would quote if I could. Yeah the whole Clark. Can't LEX Luthor Lois Lane. That's smallville scene is almost perfect but I just did. The End. Were ARACA grants. which is one of my favorite Lois? Lane's she is just amazing she is You know Hey was somebody here re talking talking to the cows again and car. That was lex luther from another earth. Apparently the multi versus ending and Lois ha ha smallville. You made a funny. It's taking you about a decade but you'll get the hang of it and Clark What the girls make a mess? You see they can't wait for you to see it. Oh that sounds like a job for for us and I just I. I'm not it is it is it is it is giving us because yeah we found out they had two girls. How great is that? Yeah and he never wanted to be superman you know he the blur he always wanted this and so you can see that you know he. He had a good life but he chose to go with the woman he loved and the raise kids on his his family farm in. That's just perfect. I'm still a little suspicious about whether we'll see him suit up and impart five with. I'm hoping so. I'm I'm hoping because you know you know with everybody blinking out of existence. I'm hoping that even though they gave Clark this ending. But I'm hoping we get a little bit more. I'm hoping that'll be a special surprise. Fingers crossed okay. All right I I have no knowledge at all. I'm just fingers crisscrossing on this. One of my favorite quotes Really quickly harbinger. where she saying? Come with me Mick Rory and I promise you'll have plenty of beards drink and stories to tell the multi-diverse needs saving and its heroes need a ship and heat wave replies. You had me beer. I love that. Yes cain Bruce Wayne where she says to Bruce well I'm not her her and Bruce says I'm an I'm not an old man held together with wire and metal and kate replies fine. You're a broken pissed old hermit waiting to die in this eleven eleven bedroom. Seven bath coffin. But apparently you're needed. I am giving you the chance to be a hero again and not just Gotham the whole damn universe. It was great and then of course. Kate's line lex Luther. Kind of a Dick Yes enjoyed that quite a bit nick. Any quotes you liked. No no I'm good. I'm all right all right I do have one more okay. Go ahead when Lois is trying to convince Clarke. You know that after he's been taken over and I'm just going to give the thing they would want the she talks about Perry and Jimmy Olsen and she goes they would want your memories of them to lift you up not drive you to darkness. That's the truth Clark. And the truth means everything to you. Remember who you are and I went cast. That's that's Superman. Dan and that. That's Louis Lane. Being to a different Clark can a different superman. What she is? I thought that was a really really great. Seen all all right so Nicholas Start with you. What you're waiting for this one? I'm going to give this also nine hundred ten on smoked cigarettes. Okay Oh nice because of constantly you said that that was a great line about the smoke break. No it's part of the thing is. I'm sorry I'm going to send a mentally. I have to go a ten out of ten Really you know wood chopping scenes. Okay yeah I I just I just thought this was as close the perfect as you can be all right well. Apparently I'm the odd man out on this one because this is actually my least favorite of the three episodes. Wow so I'm giving in an eight point five paragon detectors okay because I was a little disappointed. That we got Kevin Conroy. But we didn't get get him as a more traditional Batman. Feels like kind of a waste to me. I mean it was great. It was great to see him. But It was a little disappointing and it was also disappointing that get at least at this point in the game so I may have to revise my rating later on that. We didn't get to see Tom Welling. And in the suit okay fair enough so I. I would have been disappointed if we had gotten a traditional Batman man. I thought this was a nice twist to give us though Yeah so I mean I was expecting more of like the older Batman beyond Bruce Swayne right kind of Kevin Conroy voiced in Batman beyond the NFL. Yes so I would. I would have been happy with something like that but instead hey we got this. You know the broken down Murdering Bruce Wayne so a little bit of a disappointment for me. And that's just my opinion. I I don't I respect everybody else's view absolutely due to you too all right all right so moving on par three the ninth. The episode of the flashes sex sixth season car to believe that the flashes on six seasons already crisis an infant earth part three air the following day of course on on December tenth two thousand eighteen. Tell the play. by Laurence Sertow in sterling gates. Who is a great writer on supergirl? Who's been phenomenal on the flash? He's written some of the greater. funnier episodes like He's done a lot with elongated man and he's one of the flashes better writers at the moment tricked by David mcwhirter and Obviously big guest stars John. Wesley Shipp as the Earth. Ninety flash whom we last saw in the world's crossover and I was very glad that that wasn't the last time he got to see him in the suit. Because why are you gonNa make a suit like that. And then we have him in a couple of scenes absolutely so exact so thankfully got him back. And I was very happy that cress Williams got brought in as black lightning and in and if you notice if you watch the black lightning episode. It's almost like you know like one of those crisis crossovers from back in the in the original eighties. Where exactly where it was like a tie in issue you like it wasn't directly part of the story and it was it related to it and so really if you you didn't watch the black lightning episode? I really recommend going back and doing that absolutely absolutely so I want to just point that out One of the cool cameras I really enjoyed in addition obviously to John Wesley. SHIPP Ashley Scott. Back as the huntress on earth two. Oh three and not two thousand three. The year. That birds of prey was on on the air which only lasted for thirteen episodes? And we also got the voice of Dina Meyer as the voice of Oracle. So how cool was that and We got to see Stephen. Lobo is Jim Corrigan. The Specter although not quite the specter here Got a nice. Little flashback to Amanda pays as Tina McGee as we got to see some footage from the original flash TV show from back in the nineties so it was very eric cool to see that all clip again and of course one of the big the biggest and best cameo so far Tom Ellis as Lucifer Morningstar. Earning Star Yeah straight from the Lucifer series. This is someone that If they had not brought him in you would've love like you would have understood him not being there but how cool was it that they brought in Lucifer and of course he's on earth six six six and and if you see afterwards on twitter there's this whole thing where they're talking about he they wanted to keep it a secret he he you know He. He lied about being over there up in Canada for a friend's birthday party I you know you're too. You're too good good. Yeah deducing this It was really really cool to see him. the the the banter back and forth It just it obeyed me smile that they and you wonder there's whoever the creative people are are making decisions out of love love of the fans and stories not their pocketbooks because And I guess maybe because Warner Brothers is the big umbrella but you know these Sir all different networks and working this out and they're just like you know what had to be rea- yeah difficult. Yeah it was. Because he was a Fox show that ended up on net flicks. Yes and but it wasn't warner brothers productions so I'm sure that helped and and of of course Lucifer's owned by DC comics that helps but yeah you know. They're they get soap. For whatever. Reason brothers gets way too possessive especially especially the volving Batman out their characters and so. I'm hoping you know things events like these that I'm hoping in kind of make cracks in that that that Blah that wall that keeps the things from charing back and forth. North freely. Like marvel does so Several years this last I'm GonNa do name-dropping now apologized. It is yeah. This last Labor Day I met Chris Williams at Dragon Con and very wonderful guy. We had a great discussion It'd be a Nice Nice Guy Y'all really and then two or three years ago. All three leads from the birds of Prey Red Dragon Khan and I was able to talk to all of Tom Did a sketch of them. As civilians playing with action figures of each of their characters and all of them said we were just too soon. y'All a gift. This show had been like ten years later this we would still be doing that show and and I agree very well well to be fair the actors that play Dinah on birds of prey. She's still doing it because hey she's playing Allah sombat woman and right now. It's Rachel Scars Radiation. Yeah yes But I was so happy to hear diners. Voice of is able to see Ashley. Scott Scott it was just so cool that was I loved that show. I you know it was so much. Potential will end in a lot of fun. And and what about you what are you. What are your thoughts on the cameos? This time I was you know what as I remember Jesse sharing this story on Titan. Talk right before the three of us you know actually became friends and started doing this stuff together. I was listening. Thank you guys. I remember one particular episode. Jesse shared this anecdotes on the podcast. And when I saw you know the the cameo I thought to myself I have a feeling of being somewhere down in Texas. Mr Jesse Jackson is smiling to himself. Got It so so you you are On my mind that Jesse when that happens and I was actually know personally super happy for you because I remember when you shed and just the way you express that how much you love that show and how much that's and that's me that moments of meeting these these celebrities meant to you so I was personally very happy for you when I sold back so glad that they did that. You know as it. That's my man Jesse. You survey happy about that. Welcome and I saw the. I just absolutely love this an as you were saying chose yes. I think you know the concept the titans even when it came to reading comex. Yeah I would. I was the kids that would read over the titans as well and I think that the black lightning episodes is essential official. Right there with you. They're all here. Yes to appreciate the third episode. Because there's so much backstory that you know you actually see. The red skies is in the Free Linda's well and then you know black lightning disappearing and such. I'm a huge fan of the black lightning series so I was super happy actually invoked. It's I Lucifer I was like what is going on here they actually brew Lucifer in and so the band between Matt Ryan and Lucifer was incredible edible and I I absolutely loved it from start to finish resist amazing amazing stuff yeah. Obviously I'm a huge vertigo guy so so even though vertigo the DC closed the doors on Vertigo. This year It was. How great was it to see to vertigo characters? Here's interacting on live action TV for the very first time you know like we show like You know from different you know comics or whatever 'cause you know you had John Constantly Meeting Lucifer Morningstar and I have to wonder if Neil game was watching that because he's written for both characters I and Just it was so great and they're so natural because you know John being the help laser and this is for you know obviously being from come hell the devil so it it makes perfect sense to how these to interact and I know it was nice that the we gotta acknowledgement that well apparently elite Constantine Oedema debts or or sorry loose for old Constantina debt Because of something involving Mazza keen and and and I love Lucifer kind of jibing. Constantine about his name because there's some like a lot of British the people that feel that well Giancana needs to be called John. Constant is so So that was a nice little in joke for fans you know now. I just mentioned that Charles because apparently when he wrote. It's Alan Moore went on record saying it was pronounced. Constantine something might've been a hindrance. Maybe it could have been you know it could have been but but it's obviously been it was established on the NBC series. You know oh absolutely they. They went with Constantine. So that's how they said Constantine Myself Yeah I did too so so I was okay with it but You know obviously I think a lot of people feel differently so so I think that's maybe a little shoutout to to fans who kind of took issue with the way it's pronounced but absolutely yeah and of course you know hey we also got the specter thrown in so we actually Kinda got three supernatural characters in this one pretty cool pretty cool and we know how much big rove the specter plays in the comex prices and I wonder you know How Jordan ended up being a version of the specter? I wonder if that's what they're going to do with Oliver. I just I was just going to mention that you you. You're you're right ahead of me Jesse. He has always. Yeah Yeah I think I think because they obviously you know with they had Jim Corrigan Talk to Oliver. You know has been yeah brought back using this ritual and you know they go to Leeann utera bring his soul back or whatever and talk about that so so it'd be kind of a way A.. And if you think about it now that you mention it It kind of sets Stephen Miller up to be the big one of the big players because if he's the specter he's the one that's going to be duke it out with Anti Monitor if they follow the crisis comics and this it also allows him to to have a place in the verse if they keep that like if he decides to come back as You know the the specter you can have that. So Yeah I. That's what I and I don't think I don't don't think I'm a great detective thing. I think the message they wanted us to know about it. I think you're on the right track though. Yes they do. Give us SPEC expected TV series. I'm all for it because I love the character. And if the US stephen a male as the spectre no having green lantern as not will be on. Hbo Apparently when it comes out I'm all for a spectrum TV series. Yeah that was. That was one of the disappointments of constantly being cancelled cancelled so soon by NBC. Because they introduced Jim Corrigan and they exactly and they tease and become becoming the specter which I think we would have seen had the series on a little longer so that was kind of a little let down but You know spectres one of the characters he was co created by Jerry Siegel who you know the CO creator of Superman. So yeah so. He's a very legendary character. And you know it's so I'm always happy to see him when when he gets his do. Yeah definitely all right. This is the big thing. GotTa talk about this GonNa make time for this John. Wesley SHIPP Yes so knows how. I'm feeling about this so after you know black lightning it gets brought in In Oh any. He's horrified to find out that his family has been wiped out by the anti matter wave and he's the sole survivor driver. He still steps up and that was very cool to see that the black lightning in what they're doing he he's there to take cout the Anti Monitor's antimatter cannon. And Flash fans no anti-matter cannons are not good for flashes. No no and no and this episode is certainly proof of that. I'm just so black. Lightning does his best to take. Check it out but Obviously needs a little bit more to to stop threat. And this is the moment where grant Guston's flash the earth one flash Thinks that okay. Well this might be his time to disappear during the crisis and in this very powerful sequence whence You know grants ready to sacrifice himself. Only have John Wesley. Ships Earth Ninety flash crash temporarily still his speed And take his place stating that The Anti Monitor may have said said that it flashed dies and crisis but he didn't say which one and in that I did not i. I'm sure you have the exact pope the idea I don't don't have to quote unquote though. Yeah the your superpower is making others around you better. Yes you know and I think obviously obviously Arrow maybe the the Father Steven. Mlb Be the father of the you know the aero verses we caught but I think grant as berries the heart yes and and so thank you. This is an Indian. Have this John Wesley Shipp who his played Berry's father he's done other cameos but to give him jake areas character his his character such an ending and to go back and take that clip from the original TV. Show if you were worried you about not enough tears. When Clark and Lois or flying out you know sending their child all right trust me? There were tears in this part of in in you know for the cast I think. And all the people the sea and it it just was a hero's death and what a great it way to use him a just absolutely beautiful. Yeah this was. This was an exit. I know I want to get to nick here in a minute but I you know this is. This was something that I had considered a possibility going in that. You know I knew that the moment I you know. We got confirmation that John Wesley ship was going to be appearing in crisis. Where while witness be a great opportunity to have him be the one who sacrifices isis his life and And and that way obviously great guston's flash can continue as the flash So I I in the back of my mind. I'm always I was thinking this would happen. And then I'm watching this scene and this scene this moment of Barry Allen sacrificing himself to stop that and I'm anti matter cannon is something that I've thought about hard since the reading the crisis on infinite earths number eight where Barry Allen Dizon that comic and that scene has stuck with me and here I am all these years later and and Finally able to see that yes in live action and it was just so overwhelming for me to see and assiette the Amazon. Jo- done justice wonderfully it. You know. John Wesley ships nine thousand nine hundred flashes. Obviously I was a a huge fan of that show as nick was and so to see that moment into C- John Leslie ship ship Given that chance to sacrifice and so ended and they go out in such a huge way saving lies. Diverting that anti-matter wave. This is what I've been running through all these years I'm from flash to vanish in crisis. I'm like Oh it was great. Yeah it yes. It was just amazing and You know in the fact that you know that there was a kind of patch passing of the torch moment. Yes between the two East you felt that connection because we'd seen it that bond with John. Wesley ships with Gusto playing other characters in it really came through and I I was just I was blown away simply and absolutely what about you. I know you've got some thoughts on this. Well I come to. You must be like Charles. Shut up I wanNA talk about this. Never never you know I mean as I said you are just wonderful orator I tell you you could you give speeches like there's no tomorrow seriously but that said I also wanted to add. Let's talk about the fact that when he's doing any disappears we we get that straight concentrate from the comics moments but the Danny Healthman theme that then plays from the TV series. I was like Oh my Lord. Yeah it we're just they're they're they're bitter soundtrack to this event there and you know you mentioned this in a couple of minutes. Blake neely the composer. You better be making a soundtrack right. I want this now. They weaved all these iconic the musical themes in all three episodes at the appropriate times. Sometimes you know where whether it's Danny Alvin the Batman theme the John Williams. You know superman the Robert Walls. Yeah Yeah it just it. It was all there and it was just so beautiful. And it's much more powerful when you get to hear that you know that that heroes theme yeah using that theme seen You know to to give them their moment and obviously you know in a very powerful moment to get that theme it was. It's just raised that intensity. Even I totally agree nick anymore. Thoughts about this. Oh yes well. What was going to lose their ideas that people people have a Lotta traditions over the holidays? One of my traditions over the holidays is is watching the the flash TV the series over the holidays. That's what I do. Because it's a show that meant so much to me growing up one of the very few shows myself and my sister would watch together religiously as kids and that we wouldn't fight over the remote for over the flash and it just meant so much to both of us so into able. And that's and that's what I do. And it coincided with my tradition of watching the flash TV series seeing John. Wesley Shipp come back and and do this. And then that throwback to the tool between him and Tina McGee was just like I was so I was in such a happy place and it's just it. It was remarkable. And I love the fact that gave that slashes an incarnation a full circle story and it was beautiful evaded that because the nineties flex. Td Shoes was sadly Shoots and I feel. This was some way of sailing colleagues. No right was cut short before its time. Exactly -actly yeah. They way of saying you know we recognize this and we want to give you a full story. Let you run the whole race as it were so so. I absolutely adored that and just like with Stephen Males passing the torch on to his daughter. I love this father son son relationship between the two. Barry's and this passing the torch. And then when you get to see the flash symbol on the ground what was such a powerful awful scene it could. It would look great. You know even as like wool paper on my TV on my computer screen. Everyone see if I can find that and put it up there. Because this Gorges Ages hit the print screen print screen and I agree with you on the Soundtrack House. They somebody does this like on spotify or something coming. In all over. That sounds really does a love recently soundtracks for the various shows so. I'm really hoping that any did want for crisis on earth acts so I'm hoping that they do crisis on infinite earths to and You know we haven't talked about it but I thought Jefferson Pierce Black. Lightning held his own. I thought he really was enough. Like Sierra Vans Real ooh Dude and you know and then the iconic you know his macho. Where's the future right? Yes yes life. Is this shit set limit by any means necessary and he kept by any focused a focus. I thought that was really well done Because the idea that gave him a his character moment. Yeah because you know. He's lost his family. He's lost his world and once once again he's putting it behind him and trying to doing a hero bet so I thought that was really well not. I'm so glad that black black lightning was included in this and that they got the little you know spin off like if they showed the little high in it was perfect. Yeah exactly Zac all right anything any other quick thoughts about Parts one two and three now I was just GonNa ask one question to users you guys. What were you thought? So when it came into the concept that we might be getting the third incarnation at the atom with Ryan Choi. I'm all for it. I remembered that I like I like. Yeah Yeah and I thought this was a guy you know. He was really good Playing Kevin in supernatural So Oh I think this would be Kinda Nice. Yeah I'm really good. I thought it was nice that they did a little Easter Egg By name his daughter Simone in in honor of Gail Simone the writer Co Created Ryan Choi So Thought that was nice We can always do with an extra atom. I reckon well they're supposed to be if I remember reading cleric Brandon routh is is ending as Rape Palmer on legends of tomorrow. So so maybe this will be another passing the torch getting another actor so so might WanNa keep an eye on Ray Palmer yeah during crisis in when it comes back in January yeah just saying just That potential is they're they're setting the table it seems because for him to take over all right so johnny quotes Fair quotes Jesse. I do who I only have the one but I loved the they've actually done a couple of inside jokes like in the second episode. I think where White carry says. I promised my team they'd never have to do another crossover but on this one. A route digby goes holy. All Star Squadron. Hi How are you Ralph Pygmy log man ready to help Kick Butt and killer frost. Ignore him it's his first crossover which was by Mike quotes. I love that man. It was his. This is the actors first crossover. Yes he has been perfect as long. Day Ma'am Yes yes yes nicoting could he quotes I don't have any quotes but what I will say is I just hope that the bigwigs at Warner take notice of how things are done when you do you were good crossover than you bring characters together and hopefully we get something better competitive. The Ju Justice need that we got shall we say on innocent matic world. That's I'm going to say. Okay well if you want more of that topic nick and I talked about that on present darkness free plug there all right. Yeah so I got a couple more quotes in addition to that that eat great elongated man killer frost quote Mardo Vu. The Monitor after Earth. Thirty thirty seven gets a radical. He says another earth is gone and Lois Lane. Replies there's only seven left in the multi-diverse verse it's Ironic. I'm watching the biggest event in history. The destruction of every earth and no one will ever read the story gasoline. The point quote and of course I've got to end it with The earth ninety flash talking to Barry Allen just right before he dies keep writing the lightning son. I know you'll make us all proud. Nice dear to your absolutely tissues Still gets me Absolutely Nick. What's your rating? While I think once again you know this is a straight and another nine out of ten because I think the nine outside especially for the John Wesley Shipp Grant Guston moments for sure will not to mention of course seen Chris Williams who I loved this black lightning in our love them prison break as well. So I'm never gonNA give this. I nine hundred nine hundred ten no-doubt for on for sure all right and just see how about you so once again. I'm the easy one. I'm giving another another ten out of ten. I just love this one and I just And I'm giving it I'm not GonNa give it what I think you're going to give it it so I'm going to say ten out of ten fading player cards. Oh okay interesting thing choice. Yeah it's no surprise when I'm GonNa give this one is it I love this episode. Ten out of ten chart flash albums. That's that was my first choice. I said there's no way I'm taking that from Charles such like Nick said it was such a great shot. Got Power Powerful statement and John. Wesley SHIPP I salute you because you were episode and the staff for making this moment happen so absolutely you're giving doing it Giving it to its proper. Do so absolutely all right. If you find that still because I know that you will wonderful when you come to your background I am so stating that from you man. I'll find it if you want me to. You can still you can still if you want but It's out there. I know that all right Let's see I actually. We do have a really quick fan mail. Believe it or not Jesse. We got some finally got some Fan Mail so nice all right. Some readers checking in zone cast On the G mail David Kay proctor who writes to us on next everywhere quite often Is Writing in about watchman. So I thought I'd share goes quickly. You said it's very short. He says I'm playing catch up on the series on several episodes behind you. I didn't read the Comic Book Back in the day but but and I did see the movie and I guess I didn't get it. I do love comic books mostly. I'm a marvel man. You're helping me understand what's going on the show which I am addicted to already. I will put the watchmen comics in my next up pile in my library. Nice thanks for turning. Ernie me onto the show and podcasts from your other podcasts. Next stop everywhere enjoying hearing your voices. Thanks David Kay proctor. That is so if we got decay. proctor reading watchman for the very first time that's awesome right and all that that stuff that's high praise indeed that obviously obviously I'm sure the TV show help the little right but if you know if us talking talking about it and getting David involved because if knowing us from next up everywhere You know if that got him reading checking Alan. Moore's watchmen if that helped at least a little bit I think that's great so I just wanted to share that good all right thanks so thanks. Thanks for listening David. I hope you're listening to our crisis. Crossover special all right All right Obviously if you WANNA be like David proctor write to us at Phantom zone cast asked at gmail.com fan zone cast gmail.com. I know we're long something. They're trying to hurry through this Twitter at Phantom Zone cast on twitter twitter facebook the fan zone podcast and instagram at Phantom Zone. PODCAST and Jesse. Where can they reach you on the Internet so You can find me on twitter at Jesse Jackson DFW. I do a bunch of other podcasts. But we're we're reaching of an hour and a half so I'm just GonNa Skip Yup Yup Nick how about you. Well I'M GONNA try. Keep this as brief as possible. Is Charles Thank you. You mentioned that you know I do host the whisking skin cigarettes show. It's all by myself. No blame yourself along with it. I know you poignant's that that says all when it comes to me as Charles was saying I'm the host the whisky and cigarettes through country music. Radio show we play everything country from Alabama Zac Brown to find out what what about that you can go to our website. That's skiing cigarettes show dot com and we also host the happiness in doctors. Show the superhero movie. PODCAST for more information about that. You can find us on facebook book. That's facebook dot com slash happiness. This rate podcast. I really recommend it. I've been on it Charles. been on a couple of times. It's a great podcast. Definitely recommend to episodes of happiness in darkness there down that they're not my episode recommend to other ones now and you along the work all right really quickly because I know we're trying to rush this of course at Charles skaggs on twitter at skaggs on Instagram facebook Charles L. skaggs Ohio and check my blogging. Geeky things damn good coffee and hearts where I have talked about all our podcasts. Oh for itself gate media including the next stop everywhere the doctor who podcast that David Kay proctor was kind enough to mention. Please check those out because We have a lot of fund. If you like us here check those out next time next time on the fan zone as we wait for crisis parts four and five to air on January fourteenth twenty twenty with Arrow and legends of tomorrow in a two part two hour special Come back for watchmen. Episode Eight for episode. One seventy five or excuse me one seventy three of the phantom zone podcast with God walks into a bar yea Charleston. I are going bar hopping. We are or a bar hopping A. Because if you've been watching watchmen You know I know that that title of kind of has a double meaning absolutely says God walks into a bar not bar. Yes we'll find out so Everybody thank you so much for listening. I know we ran long but narrow. This is a special occasion right absolutely and I gotta take a minute You you did so much heavy lifting on this Charles organized it he he kept us on track and You know There's I just get the fun. Part is showing up and getting its share fund stories. Thank you Charles. I really appreciate it I I I just do the sit back and listen. Let you guys talk. That's I got easy right. I did easy job. All right. So Nick. Thank you so much for joining us. We had a ball always welcomed. You know obviously a hopefully we can get you back for crisis part to your our second so you know as we talk crisis parts four and five in January -cause school. It's going to be thank you so much but it's going to be impossible for you guys to get rid of me. I am sorry to say that. I don't think they have a problem with that. No joking aside. Thank you guys so much and I I also want to echo to everybody not that please please please checkouts Charles skaggs in Jesse Jackson the amazing podcast. They do because they are so so dedicated. They are passionate about what they do and they do podcasts. The way they're supposed to be done they are done for the fans by the fans so please people okay check them out because they did. Brilliant work cheers neck. We really appreciate that absolutely. That's very kind of you to say your checks in the mail sir. It's all right. Thank you again and come on back. Get socks and watchman right here on the fan zone. PODCAST next time. 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3.23.21

MZNOW with Michael Zavala

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3.23.21

"Welcome to the world of michael follow. Now's your chance to turn back. You're listening to this is im- xena think. Sorry i'm trying to fix my hair. It was great right before we started the show. And then i can't get this little i can't get the volume back. You're like every female that comes into the studio are messing up. My hair on the headphones. I had the sunglasses and the headphones on announced. What me up. Well these of Hairdryer blow dryer straight. Eighties man yeah jacket on. I don't use moose news oh hamas gel. He didn't he didn't headphones asset. Well my headphones were employed for a second. Oh it sounded like you said you. Don't use news. Let's just like thank god. Yeah not right now. Things aren't that bad yet. But we don't talk about your nastier got my volumes back now. All right Do you wanna know who won between eric. And i the biggest battle since god. King kong biggie to park. Yeah are they going to see a baby. Over superman batman v superman and we found our moms had the same name and then we. We've made up. You want to know who. Who would you think would win. Who has the most drive i. Who's the most passionate about say. You're gonna tell us anyway now. I won't tell you just to let you guess. Okay i think eric one art well i I can see what you do in real time. That's scary yeah. I can see what you have done the day. And i've seen what you've done the past few days i did a lot. I m made a bunch of awards yesterday but of course we weren't in the competition a competition and when thursday thursday was austin okay I'm going say. Say eric one okay. The winter i don't have a journal on her. And i know let's just by the cosby themes the winner of the two thousand one weight loss competition between eric and michael ended with a tie. Clark space decide. Well yeah i was too. Here's the problem with the whole apple. Watch the way you're talking about it. Having points doesn't really surprise. Cap out at six hundred points. So of eric and eric would do as workouts early so he would. He would cap out at six hundred by like two o'clock three o'clock in the afternoon and i hadn't even really gotten started yet. I'm just waking up. And so even if i wanted to beat eric that day i couldn't all i could do as match the six hundred so apple watch apple fitness plus. Whatever made it a friendly competition. Yeah i wanted to kick his ass. Let me just say if it was. It was a competition based off. Of how many calories you burned. i've hardly would have won. And that's what. I bet you don't think harder that's what i based my well. Why thought you have one of my stats. I i think i did. We check the stat. Yeah calories burned all that. Yeah because once one hundred i stopped. I will also say this. Your face does look better. Let me see your faces slightly slightly. Well i thought he looked thin last week and he like. I do very modest about his weight loss. I we myself after the competition on friday. Morning I lost eight pounds. Wow there you go. And i don't know what you're wearing yourself michael lesson as going to do with the i would just like announcing it. Well no let's let's hear. I stepped on the scale. Friday and lost a pound more than where i was last week but then i skipped. I eight a bunch of food this weekend. so overnight. I stepped on scale today knowing that i would be heavier just not. I didn't know how much three pounds heavier today still in my range of you know. Boy you gotta be a buck twenty soga wet. You know but this is. This is why. I always wanted to ask you like what are you working out for like I'm trying to level down. Where am i writing. We've already established that. Like wherever you're at there's there's going to be a demand when i go to the gay car for all i haven't been the last called winter as sodom and gomorrah and that's the day before i broke my leg. Long yeah I went there and i was being groped on by multiple men k. What areas though on my my non existent but you you were getting a lot of action that night but not as much as the lady that we write the best part that was how many of her ex boyfriend's working there. She couldn't figure out why they were there. I said because they're gay no idea that guy. He's definitely not gay. He just showed his ding dong to the guy next to him. He just whipped it out. I'll was here dancer there. There's multiple men that night great. I know but whatever her ex dancing thinking of a month yeah they're barking places sodom and gomorrah. What's on their way. Tmc was it tmc. Tnc oh i thought we read someplace else. What's the other place as four other. Yeah we tore up. No yes doesn't have the well. They they data answers. I've anyway trying to get to that tweaks size just to be more join. Get comments to the. I'm not going to I'll just say. Kate like the the scales. Not going to tell you what you need to where you need to be gay. I know i need to be like. I need to be ninety pounds. I'm working. I'm almost thank. You be like an ultra twinkie. Yeah it's on fire. Yeah if you did that. That's what i'm trying to do ninety pounds. Yeah there's twinkies and then there's all dread tweeting that's me. That's what i'm trying to get to. I don't wanna see you at ninety pounds. I kind of i saw. I saw clark walk in. Is you give up working out whatever. Oh okay it was likely due mitchell entire man. Why don't we take a journey down the watch Oh yeah the watch journey or already where to go down at together. what. I don't have my phone in front of me but Start sharing information with me. Why he can he went. We can so we can talk smack to our there about clark is doing. Yeah clark is doing better than than you are eric. i'm burning calories. But also house. He walks around he goes. He got his haircut and went to kroger. Yeah i'm working on some flexibility stuff. That's going to help me with myself. Back and shoulder injury own. Weightman a minute you say i just drop something in there. I don't know it sounded like everybody back off. Suck your own weight. Yeah i heard about suck my own way. Wink like okay. Oh well what was just totally disclaimer. I don't know that we've all we've all adjusted to this daylight savings time so if the show is a little off we're off that's probably what it is Yes but anyway. Listen that whole apple going back to that calorie thing the whole challenge. It doesn't make me like. I stepped on the scale friday thinking than i gained ten pounds. Because i didn't i felt i didn't do anything because once i hit six hundred points which it wasn't very hard to hit six hundred points so once you hit six hundred points i'm like it doesn't matter what i do at this point because i can't beat them by. Just go sit back on the couch and watch tv. I i will say. I was kind of like baffled. That michael not burn more calories. Yeah but since the conversation we had last week but he he worked out like what eighty hours. And i'm all like this guy has to be like dead like after that. Well that's okay so like the whole eighty minutes as eighty minutes. But i did. I break it up in the day like yesterday. I did ninety something minutes yesterday. But i mean okay so because it always goes back to. How your brennan those calories. How much effort you're putting in all are you. Are you actually doing something to build strength or he just doing something to burn calories or are you just like like in my case. Yesterday i was just working. Yeah like i worked from noon to one o'clock in the mornin right. Like i got home at one thirty may i was on my i was i. I worked at a twelve hour day after day. Yeah so. I burn calories that way but like my body gets naturally accustomed to that. I can do that. I can do that twelve hours a day. Six days a week and i've done that before it's hell on the body you'll burn calories just because your body looks like hell. I mean it's like a different way that you're it's a different way that you're burning calories so i'm not. I'm not building muscle overtime on tearing my nia. I'm doing like boxing. You know what i mean. i'm doing cardio rate up. you're not doing boxing. Virtual boxing I did virtual house. Even i think evening. Sabre i think all aiding your arms around virtually is something but it's never really something. Imagine kermit the frog you know when he gets excited and he starts waving like that. That's pretty much what i do for eighty minutes every day that it works. Well not really. I mean because like i am on it to my heart rate. I wanna make sure it's at a certain level this on. I just have this picture of of you. Bring my vr workout with your wristwatch on. Yeah flailing your arms around with a bunch of other. Four and five year olds like playing at recess. Time watching blue's clues yes. What is this shaker log in to his kids account on. Hbo he's just want to be a kid. Yeah that's fine. The stuff that i do is cardio bay. So it does bring your heart. Rate up Cardio i do i. I mean every okay you need to do cardio like everybody needs to do cardio right. There does need to be someone before. I started all this. I was sitting down. No no no. I mean someone like you that sound a lot. Yeah you do need to do cardio. But i think you need to do some more Some strength training. And i do. You really wanna be that super twain board told that's very a sexist. It's called ultra. No oh sorry you can't. You can't sit on behalf of the lgbt case okay. what k- is we are all offended. Katie is not special. K now and i do my core workout three or four times a week apple fitness. I change it up a lot. But i do the cardio everyday otherwise i would just be sitting and i've noticed differences. I'm starting to get the little v. in the midsection. I'm starting to tone up. My i'm starting to get ads by packs are getting her arms. Are getting for next skinnier. everything's working. I wanted to and keeping my. He only did eight minutes core workout. And all of this is how his body right and the reason why know. I can see when he finished. Workout the core workout as eight minutes. Yeah ten minute workout. I'm like okay and all this is happening. Now he's bulk. I guarantee by june. I'll take my shirt off in here and you'd think who's who is this guy Is david hasselhoff baywatch. Or is this michaels of allah or or is it david hasselhoff. Now they're gonna know it's you it's just gonna be cute matthew mcconaughey in dallas buyers club. Yeah that's not going for. You know what i'm going for. You know my is britishness joaquin. Phoenix and the joker. Oh my where you could see his spine. And that way. I can see if something's broken or fractured x ray. God but anyway. I just my whole thing getting into this with just basically say i don't understand how this why compete with somebody. My only hope of winning is eric just decided he was gonna stop at five hundred and fifty points and you know watch dies or something. That's it six hundred points wasn't hard to get to for either one of us. I would imagine and once you get it. Why why am. I going to work harder. Because i can't win and that was for a week. Yeah so extended it out and like if you think it would be easy if you were going on three months doing the same thing. Everybody does Amac's seven days. that's fine. i'm just saying if you were to expel doubt point. Yeah do you think at some point you would be like. I'm tired of doing this every day. Yeah one of us would get tired. Probably was pretty. I was kinda tired by the last day. Knows i gotta do this but Guess friday was tough. Yeah or the last thursday. Yeah just because. I was really. I haven't really worked out like a long time so to not work out to work in every day Yeah it was. It was It was kinda hard. I did a bunch of squats yesterday. Bodyweight squats does point a virtual game. Where you got squat. You see what. I'm saying that i'm sure i. I had to go to the bathroom. A few minutes ago couldn't even sit down on the toilet baboon body weights by. You're out of shape. I'm saying that's why i'm on like i'm out of shape too. Well we know that but the let's be real like i do a lot of strength training though right and i mean i'll even though it's not a lot i know i cannot squad but but like people with density. I do have a and the way the way you eat. I'm just. I'm just saying like the apparently you have the ability to metabolize food if you actually did strength training and eight in a manner to where it was like more schedule than that and i and i suffer from this too. Yeah but like the way. You metabolize. Because i do you. You talk about how you eat. Food from seven eleven gave me and you had the same exact diet. You'd probably say the same same size and like incorporated the same habits right say the same size may get a little bigger right. I would if we did it for like two weeks eventually. You just see me slowly increase. Well that's the thing too is. I know that i'm getting older. And that my metabolism is not going to be the same in five years. That's why i'm saying is if you strength. Train evil muscle. You have a lot more muscle to absorb more nutrients to feed. Yeah that's a whole thing with me. It's just that when you get older. It's harder to write make muscle. Which is i was telling you that i'm having right now. I was talking to somebody today. I'm like i just one of the biggest reasons what me on on working out and losing weight and all this stuff and just not even like i have that much weight to lose but you know just trimming up if if i get fat i can't be funny more because there's already a short fat guy. Data's already taken. So i can't beat you. Know he will pass away. And maybe can be the new. Danny devito and i just show up on always sunny. No one acknowledges it. Who's this is it for you. Have you might actually have something their shave it. It'd be the new danny devito. Let's let's get into this real quick. I brought this up last week. And told me to watch the video. And i and i didn't get a chance to so i watched it this week because on facebook somebody posted this video. And there's two separate arguments on this like gosh. This is so terrible. As where countries coming to and then the other one was like this is what this lady gets And i'm on the side of this is what this lady gets so you may have already seen it. It's a video of this lady in texas. Who goes into the bank and the bank has a requirement that you have to wear masks. Go inside. She refused the where mass makes a big scene and gets arrested. So i'm gonna play this video and then we have a second video here. I'll say if svu and i'm going to take it out. Have you seen this. I haven't seen it can cut. T pulled up now. Because i added but we'll play the other one on the screen. Learn the rules and you have to have a mask on state. It's not pleasant to have the right to refuse service. Even if you're not wondering choice for you need to go and get a mask and then taking money out. You're not allowed to do. Why wouldn't you go through the drive through right like there's a simple solution that i don't wanna wear masks okay. Go to the drive thru. You don't have to wear a mask. Listen to this way the hardware for intruding on premises. That's exactly what it is and you believe in this. I believe in the law non-public this is the whole thing. This is what i was talking about. When they lift this mask mandate was the kind of stuff that happens after this. It's not because. I feel like we all need to be wearing masks. Way for seven. But when you lift that mandate and you let businesses decide whether or not they're going to require masks in there you're going to have these cairns that come in and challenge yet and well. The governor says. I don't have to do it. This is the kind of stuff that happens because we're stupid in post nothing to argue with you about this. This is not enough a business. We're gonna go outside serious. Do i look like i'm pretty some issues. Five got issues take on. Is she talking to a cop. The that's that's coming from. It's okay because like when you when you say bank. I thought i thought i was thinking. I like. this was a teller or the bank manager did tell her told put a mask on. She didn't listen being. You know whatever shirt so all right so at some point was this cop. Just they're already or was the cop. I think he was there already because they pulled up again. So that's so the whole thing is that this is this is established a time where she is breaking up considerable amount of time to wear. The cops have been called and responded right. So we're talking to two minutes at the earliest because they might hear bank. Yeah this they might hear disturbance at a bank down though so alliston. Well it's right outside of gauss. Okay yeah so anyway up here bank. And they're they're they're they're primed and ready to go and get there and they're like okay. Well here we go. We're going to enforce the mask. Mandate right on someone and all right that clear something up because they just laughed and said oh you know what good point. Let me get in my car because this is something that has to be brought up that regardless of using the term karen right or mask or anything. Let's just say that this is just another video of whether you want to politicize it or not. What is having a problem with someone telling them that they do something right. And then they had the call the cops and then they're gonna they're gonna sit there and they're gonna tell the cops what they can't do. I walked out of the bank with no pants on. And they said sir. You can't come in here with no pants. I said why don't we can no man. That's this here. You can challenge the rules at any any point in time but the the cop is with the handcuffs and the gun right is going to make each house roles at the proper place in time which they dictate and i get it sucks. It sucks but you're always gonna lose the cop right teammate. Hooker song shoot me for trying to breathe come on over. Try not to breathe for. Try not to breathe. Who don't do that. Oh no at this point the video she's trying to he's trying to grab for her arm or wrist the put handcuffs on she starts pulling away and that's when he says oh. Don't do that resisting arrest. Yeah keyed old lady is getting kicked. Michael your hands behind your back. Stop resisting op. Get real really relaxed. I'll get real for you. Anybody could get. What does that mean anybody. Going to get real as amy going to break down homey. Oh it just got real. Oh yeah smashing. My arm into my private area. I think she wants. Pcs yeah. she's she's putting on this whole thing. Handcuffs went on and she went into full fifty shades of grey mode. Yeah because she's uganda's shoved that private parts. What or whatever the hell she said. Arman her enterprise slam. I guess the squad car. Check me out. Officer are you. Are you gonna to pull paul here with these handcuffs. Burn up do a full body cavity search one mic for your hand behind your back. Relax you are not relaxed not relaxing. That's the best thing. She's trying to get like the crowd on her side. This is pre police brutality. I haven't done anything wrong. No you're a moron but a bunch of sheep filming stand up stand up stand yourself up and how do you suggest i am like sixty five year old. Stand up. stand up trying to speak spanish to people. Stand up. thank you mike frigging foots. I'll call and that's my. She's walking by the way. Yeah she's going to pick it up. Ross dam one in custody. Wow duty that's not what they do. I've my dog. And i'm seventy a mess for a sixty year old white female. She's complaining of paint. Wait a minute. She loves her dog in the truck. The entire time she was on the bank refused to wear a mask Yeah animal Only if it's like I dunno above eighty degrees outside. It's texas and south texas at that man. I mean it's pro locker up. They do they tell you up they you. They strip searching for now. We're in a male when you're another video where she just got arrested again on saint patrick's day that was why wednesday. Yes it was a little bit of a here. We don't need to listen to too much with just a straight performance and she's in target. Now it's office depot but close enough. I'm ready when you are all right. I just thought that was hilarious. We should have played that last week. Eric yeah he didn't because he told me five seconds before we did the show. And i didn't even have time to look it up. Well there's call. It sounds like hardly harboring some emotions are for all we did. I text him. It was a great video and he didn't respond to that because complains. Like do anything for the show. You wanna talk about anything at all anything. Yeah there's eighty got arrested in galveston. Okay doesn't even bring it up at all and then he wants to schedule this week. Like gets a big story now. It's a week old week old matt's glady. What is your google sixty five an airdrop white female arrested for patties galveston arrested. Again this is probably a new store. Just play the new store. This is abc and houston the woman arrested in galveston for trespassing and resisting arrest after. Not wearing a mask and a bank is now back in custody that that's an old lady. That was the first one. This bodycam video of terry right being arrested last week and then went viral that was in galveston city. Say right did not want to wear a mask inside at office depot store. They ended up arresting her for two outstanding warrants from that galveston criminal. Trespassing and resisting arrest. They took her to the galveston county. Jail without any additional criminal charges filed in texas city. That's jammed beat right there. They didn't play the video but now the thing is she's just standing at the front of the store. Just yelling breeding. Now she's reading You know whatever version of the loss. She thinks that she's being is being violated towards her. If that sense she's just asking for it. Why would you know. It's it's a performance. Did that or so. Someone's paying her to do all this stuff. Now known as the okay more than three. Some sort of like you know controversy now. Well the thing is you don't know clark now i'm well okay. The only thing. I really think it is is that people nowadays know that it's very easy to really get noticed a lot easier but i mean noticing five rb tiktok not to get. Yeah i mean the whole team minutes of fame thing. It's it's more or less like yeah. It's it you can get fifteen minutes. But it's only going to be like these seventy thousand people in this area over here about it or the this million or the sixty five she might try to a shelly luthor or whatever name is likely with or whatever. Her name is Lady who Opened up is running for congress or something trying to make a point. What i guess. What i'm trying to say is What are you trying to say. Think about like your parents in nineteen ninety-two if they somehow became nationally famous for doing something like how hard that would have been or or lucky in terms of of a camera being able to capture that moment. Now there's everything everywhere they can capture a moment and put it out there and so people can use as a way of jumping their their agenda or their way of thinking. and so. that's what's happened with this woman that now she's gained a little trick stay. She went to a sore and just started reading. Well you know what at some point sore can be like. You know what you gotta get out. And that's every store very business was doing and it doesn't matter what you're doing Someplace is confined it very controversial because we've had a bar or a few bars here in this area that have kicked people out because they're wearing a certain item of clothing and a way. Yeah all right. Businesses can still do it you can. You can catch flack for it but either way the cops are gonna show up in the coastal braga. Hops will tell you that you know what you might. You might have an issue. You're gonna take that up at a different day. Yeah like if i had a restaurant. I said i don't want anyone with blue eyes and here. I am legally allowed to do that. Yeah you're to you're not gonna be open for very right you're to be professionally rule. There's gonna be ashley ruined you know. It's just there's the social consequences. Well let's say the the spot it kicked people out for twerking. You know what. I'm talking to me right right. That guy was a on. Did an interview up here and like couldn't talk about how i mean. He was like. Do i get so much support. Yay that's one thing. But if i was discriminating people by the color of their eyes. I could do that legally. But i'm still going to pay the social consequences of it but Regardless of that. I could still do that. Legally i can just say i don't want to serve you. You have brown hair right that braga but the whole thing is going back to is that the cops are gonna come in with their handcuffs and guns and they are going to remind you that you're gonna take your battle up against the prod car you're gonna take up your battle at a at a certain place in time and it's not gonna be at eight pm on a friday night when everybody's trying to do business. Are they gonna break math all right when we come back the moment. Everyone's been waiting for what we thought this night or cut a wait call today. An online dot at one. eight z. Lie see now. Eight five five to eight live off coming soon to amc as a close one. This hallway looks clear. Let's head down that way. Quick in serve seem quite quiet quite like that you say something now ellen me. Oh my god. There's this window you break that glass all. That was close one. We almost didn't make that one. Joey joey joey the coughing dead the moral unmasked looking back at fifteen years of mc watching the news the other morning and unfortunately this guy fell off a three story. Parking lot to his death was an accident and it sucks because him and his friends had just left the w hotel or having a good time. There glassed balcony notre. No no they were at the parking lot which is like three p. Wanted to see they were taking pictures of the skyline. He accidentally stepped a little too and his sprayed on the news. Timing mike lonely my cool to use yes satellite like us on facebook at facebook dot com forward slash mc now award and you're listening to increase. This is now all right. We started the snyder. Cut here on the tv at nine. Am it's still going to have three hours left. Did anybody watch it. Yeah watched it. I seriously considered it. Okay i i've not seen it all from start to finish I know i haven't seen it all But i've had seen certain parts multiple times but it's been it's something that i just kind of put on the background you can really get into it right. No it's not that. I can't get into it because i had the scheduled to really get into a four hour movie. That's exactly what it was for me. It was i was like well. I might as well watch this so we can talk about it and i pulled it up and i was like. Oh hell no. Yeah and the part that i was doing was like the parts that i would see or the or the tie the time where like i could really focus on it. It was parts. That i've already seen right from the original. And i would see parts where i'm kinda like is this part of the regional or is this the snyder cut and Yet but that's what i've seen of it all right. I'm not as axe niner fan. I've said that the millions and millions of times. Although i wanted this movie to be good because i like this universe and i feel like it would only continue if they let zach do more movies so it's a catch twenty two essentially but i was really hoping maybe we really didn't see his full vision. Maybe he's really gonna blow us out of the water here. I'm not caught up in the hype like everyone else was. I'm trying to be realistic about this. But i'm trying to keep an open mind that makes sense. Yeah let's start off with what we liked about it. I liked the movie fleshed out the story a little bit more. I think everyone's number one thing is that it's sort of answered some questions and kind of Pick up some pieces that were just kind of hanging from the theatrical release. So i did like that now is it a story. That really is that great and needs that much. Fleshing out now the other thing i liked about it was the fact that we got to see more screen time with The flash and cyborg not a big cyborg character fan but like the flash. I think ezra miller does a great job flash. They didn't do a great job with cyborg. But what can you do with them. All in that will one thing zach. What did with him as a tournament till whole imo charactered bright. God i mean if you're a half a robot would you be super excited about life god. It was just so this is a beating. Would just watching this guy just mentally torture himself. And i was just like. Wow this is like an just turned into some weird french avant garde your mom died. My dad is right. My favorite was Well but what if you made the monster and then just like turns away. Yeah it's just like it is a little over the top. I'm like just kill yourself. But he can't he he's got a clark the justice right. Yeah he is the cognitive justice league and the one thing. I really did like about this movie. The one thing i really like this is cool and better than the the obstacle version was the end. The end i thought was way better way more satisfied that i did see. Yeah and i did really kind of remember that i liked so this is my three things i liked about it. Eric what did you like about it. have three things if you have one that's one lawn I'm just gonna preface with this. I do not even know. What the differences from the theatrical. This'll i don't know what was missing before It all seems the same to me. Yeah i mean the same basic story. Yeah i was like okay. We'll we'll we'll different and it will only thing to me that sit out was the ending. Yeah which i did i. I actually the only thing i like about the though was How batman looked. Like a like a post apocalyptic look like his costume and stuff I like the joker. Like how he guess his acting was or how he portrayed. It was really weird. Well yeah it was like he was. He wasn't the joker he was trying to emulate something of a joker. I was totally different than as suicide squad. Exactly and if you listen to it just like his voice sounded like it was kind of mimicking like jim carrey as their and was like is jim carey like what is he doing. They don't they don't they don't give him enough time really in and suicide squad. The joker to establish like a real but you he still had a personality half all that stuff was kind of there. You never really sound deal directly with batman right even when you just heard him tell us monologue half the time of the ass movie and it wasn't the same joker he looked cool eight there. I and let the hair. I mean he didn't have a lot of product and the other this hair but yeah through okay but So yeah so you like the ending essentially okay and then Well now Yes indeed. I guess morvai batmans it And those really. I don't know what else is the difference like all right. Let's get to what i didn't like about it. I'm gonna get my. I don't tell you. Oh you didn't see. Oh i watched enough of it to gain some now okay. I'm pretty sure i've seen most of what was up on their. Okay go like seriously difference us. It was less time or is more time than what i've seen now One thing. I did like that i ca. I kinda did notice in. The beginning was It seemed like they were taking away. Some like the unnecessary humor and they were really looking into doing more of a expository on the plot. It seemed like the Joss weeden version the original deatrich version. had lot more character depth. Like they're exploring the characters and just weren't really exploring the mission And it just seemed like they made it more about the plot and for some reason a the few scenes like the scene that i saw on the with jesse eisenberg 's Lex luther. I could kind of see how this could be lex. Luther like this could actually work. I don't know why i thought that. The lex luther in the original that seems like thirty seconds. Well the whole movie. This is ridiculous. I know the the the scene at the art gallery. where in what was that batman versus superman. Yeah yeah that that. That luther versus the luther that i saw in The zack snyder cut. Nothing like to not like two totally different but enough different to where i kind of fear the one on the snyder cut these ball. That's why i didn't like this full hour watching this. This house plane. Yes the people. The green goblin is now. Okay well did you see all commands. Yeah he's yeah. I know nobody calls me. Kansas surface all right so What i didn't like about it. We'll start with this. This is the main thing when somebody told me he was gonna be in that four three ratio. Yeah and i thought they were just kidding. No way And then i turn it on when it comes out on thursday or whatever and there's a whole you know disclaimer. In the beginning i thing. Yeah we've have this in the original ratio. So you know here it is. is it. read it the film. This film is presented in a four two three format to preserve the integrity of zack. Snyder's creative visions create a vision when he just put on. Vhs i can watch on my box. Tube set my grandma's house. Yeah and i. I i i was kinda confused by that. We realized is when we were put in. This movie together is that there's an untapped market. Our data research shows that most people watch movies on the Original ipod video and so we determined that it would be best. Make the snyder cut my cut. I don't know why selling joel sti the standard cut Watchable on all ipod videos across the country and the world and that was my original vision and ten thousand four. Well there is no way they were going to put that on. There is no way they were going to put that in the movie theater in wide distribution. No you know it was for it up. Because i'm like this ridiculous is exactly. This is a stupid makes no sense snyder decision. That's exactly what i would expect from. Zack snyder founder. Some stupid thing people talk about all your so brave now. It's a stupid decision. Wb comes to you and says hey we're going to give you an opportunity. Here's some money or to give you an opportunity to finish your vision of what we you think this movie should be. We're gonna put on. Hbo max oh so. People can watch it from the comfort of their home. Yes okay. I'm gonna keep it exactly the same so it doesn't fit on any other. Tv's he's shot. At like that. For i max. So now that he knows it's going to people's homes. He kept it in the max format. Who's got i max theater in their house. I don't ever look at a screen. Oh look we got two more inches on top of the guy's head sledgehammer. Whatever his name is. I don't care about that. What's coming to the side of him. I don't care about the top three more inches of head room in a shot and his wife says oh well you know it was so perfectly framed for. I'm actually didn't want to touch reframe. It just did it for the original. You can do that in post. You mean another month. I'll give you a month. What do you need to do to reframe this for a wide screen like. It's so stupid the four hours which ridiculously long. There's no reason why this movie should've been four hours. You're gonna cut out an hour hour thirty. Two's on them to twenty to thirty. Yeah that's a lot of extra stuff. Well you know what it is. It really. isn't that much content half the movies and slow motion. Yeah that's what it was every every five seconds you hear this at this slowdown scene of aquaman walking down the duty. See what seemed around right. Now someone's joaquin at. It's ten minutes of just one. Oh yes slow and different angles. He's doing all change perfect slowdown moment. And then it just stays that way for like thirty seconds. oh Arguments taken off his shirt now. He's walking down the pier goggles. Taking a piss slowly. Alfred's t just got hanoi. Bruce wayne shaving yet that now hosts not not brazilian saving but ho seen with the whole intradex flash in the pet store and all that i don't know that for a guy that's really fast so slow like three of those don't don't allow. Yeah it was like so like ridiculous. I'm like okay. I really didn't give me any type of anything. Background him in. Yeah he just saved some girl that was not paying attention. He toucher her hair without consent. Yes she did not know how to drive bright and was actually her fault. That trump had. Did you pay somebody thinking portrayal of how women drive a car yet and that was totally stereotypical offended. Because why would a woman change your whole perspective in that moment just for a man right a. guy. You just saw naive talk to right. Yeah so that's the reason why that movie was so long because there's there's music montages and their song just things that why. Oh yeah That was the same thing at the pierre. Yeah and the argument. Aqua aqua the hooman aquaman the voucher then the villagers and we're rely what's a song who are they so fast forward. Yeah i should've. I'm like why are you putting this in your. We put everything we shot. This movie dow was ashby role. What was that four. I guess it was a significance to that bring. Oh it's very important to to the second justice league that would have come out Let's see what else i didn't like about it. This is the snyder. Cut version of this ghetto. This is like the snyder cut version of the slow mo of your thoughts about that actually of the three things you like and dislike. I going to things michael Now i got more hanging blake yet so anyway the the other thing i don't like about it's too hard to do it real Anyway yeah so also. I didn't really think the effects were that great. Look at this seat right here. It looks like a green screen. It looks like wizard of oz. I didn't think the effects that great now they all that money. There's all you can do while they weren't. I mean if cena thanks like it. it's it's obvious. yeah go ahead. no i mean. I didn't think affects her. That great but i mean it seems like this is something that probably could have been polished over in the something like this big of a well. That's what i'm trying. That's what. I'm thinking that they're trying to do at that. That's the only thing that this thing can accomplish is by them expanding the universe a little bit and they can't do it with a whole complete other movie. No no. i'm talking about with all the hype on the snyder. Cut you think that all the money the wb gave him you would think that they would opt the effects a little bit more. It doesn't make sense. What did you use all that money for. Because he doesn't look it doesn't look sides of the screen. Yeah we don't want you to. We're going to chop off your peripheral vision. When you're watching this thing. There was long and dragged out. I pretty much mentioned that. The ending was great like once he started getting towards the end it started to pick. I agree but it was just like any other what i've for years. It's like zack snyder. At a dinner party it's eighty percent setup like he's telling a story you guess what happened to me my wife. The other eighty percent of the stories just to set up and then the end is the payoff. The ends great but you didn't need eighty percent of the setup. That's exactly what the snyder is. Perfectly zack snyder I didn't really care for the chapters in the middle of all the different little scenes. I mean all although chapter cards were were just lines from within that that the scenes. Yeah 'cause As soon as like are sorry hearing like what the title card was in the scene. That's what he's doing he just taking. A couple of all is line. I think it's because of what what he has. Yes so much material that he can't rise organiz somehow or was that his plan on the original movie was shot. He molly might have. But i just i. You know how you guys probably would've been more. I guess. I guess what it is is that they just had so much. They wanted to tell they shot. They shot so much and they re shot so much and they're like you know we could. Actually we could actually feasibly build a bigger and better product. You know what the says that. This should have just been to movie right. Should it has been to him. He's now two movies. Maybe three movies. No but i mean the is is that you don't like it and the thing is that this is something that will it would have. It had to gain traction stories not that good to flush out that law. That's that's the same thing. With the batman. The original batman trilogy now no the first one sucked. Yeah i won the second. Want to the second one and you got the second. One's you've got batman. Shoker you actually batman in batman stuff two and a half batman hours. Pay right all right. I was a third one. But i the third one was pretty damn good too. Yeah but it's suffers from suffers from the same thing this is all gonna do. Is they just got to establish she's stupid stories. And get to where. I think what you're talking about owning dark side. Yeah yeah but we set up. Well i mean it's kind of cool because you know what can one one thing they're hitting this brick associated ten minutes just to hit this bray agree. Thanks okay. this is something. I totally forgot about what i did like about it. All right i wanted to see green lantern. I want worship zam or something the lead to him now there might be in there and i didn't see it because the way i viewed it but i did love marshview underway. Zack snyder intended it. Did you not watch it. Did you watch it with a projector. I'm going to clear up the holes here this next week but listen. I only have ailing the veiling of martian manhunter week. I thought it was saying the end. I'm about the scene. I don't wanna go. Oh my in the actual movie. I thought was weak and just thrown in just because to make people happy. Well i mean if they're gonna eventually if they really want it to go off the way slim. Oh with the way The button they're going to need more characters that can do cool things. And that's going to be with marsha and hunter green lantern and suzanne. And as that's going to take a few more movies or whatever they wanna do. I mean this thing is so. It's so matteo cyborg and just put somebody else in. They shouldn't have ever put cyborg in with that. They should have been green lantern. Marsha manhattan perfect doom patrol. Yeah he. He works way better on doom patrol than he does and this justice league movie. I like his backstory better. I mean at the same scene where it seemed like everything i've ever seen a cyborg in like this guy is the complete lee. Different depressed Angst ridden character. That i've seen in must carry on doom patrol right. Well yeah misfit. He's just kind of yeah you or at least a little time for it to kind of sink again. Yeah and that's what i think too. 'cause i was talking to a buddy of mine and i said i feel like batman. I feel like not on a huge batman fan. It's more these movies. Have all been about really superman. And i feel like batmans in there because batmans part of the big three superman trudging. I think i think the first justice league incarnation on in in cinematic history or send. 'em whatever i'm sorry i'm i'm tired. The first justice league should actually. It should be about superman. It's all about first of all. It's about superman batmans relationship and then right from then. I feel like it's really. He doesn't really understand batman. In general. And i think that it will battle a under. I'm sorry sorry in time. Yeah how many batman have we had in the last thirty years. How many not enough not need to answer is not enough. Don't need to explore that story. i don't wanna. I don't wanna see that. I just wanna see him. Do batman tech. So here's what they shouldn't have had cyborg. Cyborgs the hacker in the group right. That should be batman. The zacks lender not watch any of the animated justice league. That bruce timm and all these guys did for years and years and years he should have gone back and watch that because they figured it out. They figured out relationship. But then you're saying the same thing like why does the run runaround fast they got superman run around fast. He can do that but flashes faster. I think right and gets that's the whole thing. Thinks faster does things faster. I mean bank. it's been the world around but can you go to different dimensions. Oh i like the score in the original theatrical cut better. I could be wrong but i thought that danny alvin did the score in the original or there is a tribute to. You could definitely there one thing. I did passively notice. Notice was the difference in music all in on it attitude and everything. Yeah all in all. I think it was just a missed opportunity. I think this could have been great even building up to doomsday all. This could have been great under somebody else doing building up the dark side what i say doomsday dark site the whole thing even tweak the story a little bit could great i all in all. This is a missed opportunity. How about how about how about this. How about this. How about you just treat this as yet. It kinda sucks but this is this is where we're going to start and step off from. We're not w's done with them. He said he already had plans for two and three. So here's what his plan was. I don't know this is true or not if you kind of b. s. and i'm hoping he was but he said that bruce wayne would have died which by the way bruce wayne would have survived. Okay so okay. Oh just like Just like Lynn iron man died. Yeah bruce wayne would have died. But here the new batman would be. He would be the son of lois and clark. That would be the new batman. Are you kidding me. Get the f out. He who of he's walking out. it's slow motion. This has been going on this whole scene than talking by the way. This flash seen the fastest man on earth is the longest in the movie. All and slow. It is yeah. That's the one thing i didn't like about the storyline tuesday. Everybody everything that was happening. Tragic in their life Was because of car-crash like cyborgs. Mom died in a car crash. Right okay this full has a question of this girl. she's getting had an accident in a car crash. Your you can't come up with something else. Probably like stanley just naming people just the things you see table man anyway all in all let me give it a great and an era give it a great i would say the original cut i thought was. I thought it was a sixty original cut. I'm gonna give this one a five point five slightly less. i'm only it would have been higher. Had the eighty percent buildup and better. So i liked that the version better because it was quicker i felt entertain the entire way. Music was great. I didn't need all this nonsense. Cyborg just complaining more. This movie really needs cyborg just talking about how bad his life sucks even more and more car crashes. We only have three scenes where cyborg talked about. How life is life sucks. Well let's do more. We gotta hit that four hour art. Cyborgs should've been like smoking a cigarette and constantly drinking. Yeah what would you would you give an air I i'm not gonna off the previous one. Because i really don't know what the difference are just like i'm gonna base off storyline alone with this one. I would say a five. Because this story releasing they consider nowhere and the cramming everything into one and a lot of side trails or chasing a lot of stuff that at the end of the day a lot of branches. But it mean. You don't need if you can prune those branches let's get to the meat and potatoes of it and like i really had no type of investment like mother boxes. Yeah and i'm like why. Call them mother box when something else. It's like bother box auto box. Well okay life cases but then this just goes back to like the similarities between nc in dc where you say no. I'm not just saying the movies. I'm just saying the actual a half actual a lot of the people from dc back in the day when they created back because these older the marble so back in the day when they're doing comics some of the marvel got started. And they took some of the writers and stuff from dc. So all iron was a batman. Essentially you know they just took a lot of the ideas they took from dc and they just kind of tweak them slightly and made him from death stroke and Deadpool are pretty much the same person right within the trump. This play in that zacks matter kind of this show by the way that we have more hours to fill. Do you wanna talk about how bad your life sucks poor. Well you know. I'm a tv. Mechanical voice yes. Sure i can probably get hand. Clark as cyborg all time off or now. This is the scene now. This is where they're going to. You need to recharge your battery. So you're gonna walk walk through the outlet and you're gonna plug in your little cable there. You're ready and action. They were gonna give me a or anyway. That's it so. I mean if you like the snyder grade but i think most people that like the center were all into the hype I don't think it lived to the hype we've had about Two years of data of people. I know that me all the time that all this is gonna be great i i. I'm judging by facebook timeline. Where everyone's like this is great. This is amazing. I didn't think it was that great. The payoff was not great. This football seen by the way is the actual length of an actual football game. And it's only two shots just from between us putting it on here and here and talk about it. I'm glad it would've been a waste time. I took me a day and a half to watch watch snowfall instead. That was excellent You got everything out of your system. Eric on this one Yes i think. So clark Yeah i'll also. I love superman's Cost him at the end. Yeah that was pretty good does this. I'm not. I'm not a big conduct. Fan so i don't know what the black suit represents or like that but it was cool. All right I don't know they can do somebody else they can get into the act well eighty now putting an he's five foot seven and he's one hundred thirty five pounds. He's an ultra joint. Like like i like robert pattinson. Like one hundred and seventy pounds. I'm white a buck. Seventy so link. oh. I saw a trailer that movie. I actually am i it. Yeah for the new. For lebron batman because nothing to do with it. They're still playing football yard. So yeah have you guys signed up for the vaccine yet. Are you waiting list or anything. I'm not no spiner. no. I'm ana either. Because i feel like there's only a finite amount of vaccines at this point and there are people thankfully my grandparents and my great grandmother who's going to be ninety eight or fully vaccinated now so i feel a lot more comfortable but i know people like spiders. Dad's been on a waiting list for months now. Can't get it. But i saw on facebook. This girl that. I know who doesn't have a job. My age families rich. They pay for everything for her. She's fully vaccinated and goes and goes part. She doesn't work. she has no job. Chris afire fully vaccinated and he doesn't leave the house until the weekends to go party. And i'm not mad at these people by the way or getting these vaccines early. I'm just saying how is system letting these twenty and thirty year old people get vaccine before elderly people who have disabilities and things my mom his ten years younger than my dad already got her first round. Yeah how's that able to. She doesn't have any health problems or anything. He's got all kinds of health problems. Seventy five hasn't got it like chris. Lizard his mom. His mom is what probably in her sixties. Or something chris's fully vaccinated. His mom has got his first her first shot. so how. how is that happening. i know they. They go to the website right. They sign up. Be something that worked. Chris where it asked chris ager. I'm using christmas example. Because you know people listening who chris but he puts in his age occupation. Oh he's not in the medical field. He's thirty something years old. We'll put him on the waiting list. He can get it after a certain amount of time once. We get these elderly people. You know what i mean. It's not like well think thing during that time when he got his It was whenever the Dallas county was doing priority. Vaccinations based off zip code and that you didn't need to qualify for any type of anything all you need to do was just living the zip zip codes and then you'd go to the fair park. Yeah and you're prioritize that's ridiculous. I think that's stupid but even even then let's say you were doing a by zip code at should still be by age. Oh you're thirty years old. No health conditions you. Oh you don't work anywhere you don't do anything not worker. The you shouldn't get the vaccine yet yet. I i think this whole the state counties and everything. This whole distribution of the vaccine was a total mess. They had no organization was the same as the whole vision. And like you know My grandma the same way they couldn't go get vaccinated because of this whole process or lack of a process But people that just went and person. Oh in front of accion they got it. I know more young people that have gotten the vaccine are fully vaccinated than i do. Older people and there are people that don't need it. They they're not at a medical field right. most of them don't have jobs. They work from home. Why do you need to get a vaccine right now. Let the people that are high risk that are out medical professionals all this stuff. Let them get it. I regardless of their rich or poor. Whatever if they're elderly have disability or you know have a job that puts them at risk. Let them get at first. How is that difficult. I will say. I looked into going through the va for my dad. Notoriously et normally a disaster Their for the vaccine is amazing. Though like when you sign up there's a list you know exactly where you are on that list and about within like two days when you know you have basically a two day range of when they think you'll be able to get in and get it. Oh nice but you see the exact list. And noah where you are and everything that's awesome they give you a number sign your with the va. Though you're already in a system like signed up so they they can just process your all your information and everything else In your age thought up against the database and get a schedule gone for a lot better than a county where it's like a massive people. That's why that's why. I'm saying like you know what i can't blame someone. If just like alien test the system and just walk up and be like hey. Can i get a vaccine. It's the same thing as the the the kid trying to buy liquor before he's twenty one right just trying to walk in the door like you know what i'm saying and he got it or didn't right but that's the whole thing. He shouldn't have been able to get it. Had you'd ask the right questions. But i mean but but you and me both have been a kid before twenty one that needed alcohol and we would whatever it it not now i would never. I'm not only that the people that are all they're giving it out you know like or just under all kinds of stress and they. They shouldn't really have to care about who's kind of. Here's a and website should be like you're too young okay. But i'm also trying to live also going to play a little devil's advocate. Here go ahead. You know what there actually isn't the advantage to a young person in their twenty like mid twenties. There's an advantage to having more them inoculated from this thing. Because they're the ones that are going to go out and transmit from one another. I'm not saying they should get it just right now. No no no no. I'm i'm to tell you right now. A moral people are like who. Who's who's more risk of of actually transmitting it to more people than actually dying of their has nothing to do with how they're doing it though i agree. But let's i'm just saying like if you inoculated the different age groups at the same level of rate you might actually see it subside. Here's the here's the other problem. Grandma's not going to spring break. Well here's the problem now. There are older. they're going to have more health issues. My grandmother has health issues that she's afraid to go to the dot or was afraid to go to the doctor or go out and get stuff checked out because of her home when you get it. So it's a catch twenty two so people are staying at home and trying to keep themselves safe and because they're worried about going out or getting this covert situation because her elderly right and there. Let's say they had cancer or let's say and they're they didn't catch it soon enough so there is a. There's a reason why these elderly people should go i. I do agree that the younger people should get eventually but we can wait till may you know what i mean. We can wait. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah we're visiting grandma and grandpa right now. Anyway right are. You shouldn't be all right right. But like i'm saying though. Is that even just having a smidge. A certain percentage of young people inoculated. Are you allowed to an isolated. No smidge yes i could be advantageous to contain. Yeah i don. We'll see how are you going to get eric. Yeah i think. I i wanna be able to choose which when i get. Which one do you wanna get the russia. The russian russian want apparently has a really good. Yeah i wanna russians us about it. What is it what is that of russia. Made has their own vacination. Oh but yeah. Apparently the science behind it is really good. I want to the modern. When i think yeah. I don't want the johnson and johnson because those hose lie to. You lied to me my entire life. That baby shampoos has not always a my. I always get tears bitches. So i'm not getting johnson and johnson. I don't care it's one shot. I'll get to but i'm not going to sign up even though i'm not gonna try to trick the system If sliders dad can't get vaccinated yet. Then why am. I gonna put myself on a list. Well i mean view under the county. One you don't get to choose you. Just get whatever they have on right. I'll call up ahead. Hey what do you have on stock. John says no corona. Oh and you know you're gonna get corona you get that john does make me laugh all these cars. I don't know how much are driving around the city though. So many cars with these little Almost tic tac toe looking yellow lines on their windshields. And that's all from fair park. Oh realize that they're vaccinated or does that mean they got tested. Now this vaccinate. Oh now. I haven't seen any me out of my house once a week shower. Usually all right Anything to add before. Leave clogs birthdays this week. Yeah we'll be ready to your close fifty nine. You are way off and twenty seven on my looks our closest. He'll look what are you gonna do fifty nine here. Twenty years off seventy nine era about forty years old. Anyway when i going to do when you do with your birthday. I don't know man i don't have any plans i think we're gonna try to grab you. A three of us are going to put something together. We're going to lady g come here and give you a little lap dance next week. How about how about we just play board games lady g that's long. She's naked that sheet nine including jarring some other covering some red wine and play board game a board game that no one has a poker to ship. She's like hungry hungry. Hungry hippos you can turn any hunger hunger host ripple all right. That'll be the name of the club you take me to get more with my ultra twenty status. We'll see guys thanks. This is m z now online at mc now dot tv like us on facebook at facebook dot com forward slash mc now.

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Bumper to Bumper Tuesday, May 19: Mark Vancil on MJ, Legends with Lou Nanne and Doc Emrick!

Dan Barreiro

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Bumper to Bumper Tuesday, May 19: Mark Vancil on MJ, Legends with Lou Nanne and Doc Emrick!

"I An. Awesome man. There's too many of. Those far too many. I think anyone an puckers up their lips and press it against their bosses buttocks. Solutions is an ask as. I. An APP at everything except my work. I'm good at my work. Confinement something that. All I want to is thirty. Twenty eight. Demands in large my mind. he's a poet warrior in that in the classic sense. I'm a little man. I'm a little man. He's he's a great man. Colors this black and white and inbetween is mostly grey. Grey as a color because it's not as simple as black and white. And for the media. Slightly not as interesting. Your want I really missed during this covid nineteen winter of our discontent. Leader, Fan Fan, radio, network and K. F. A. N.. Dot Com two minutes and eleven seconds past three central daylight saving time. Bobby is the name of the show. It's local. It's on the air right now for the next three and one half hours on an increasingly Balmy. Tuesday afternoon here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My Name's Dan Barreiro I host the program Garnsey his the producer and We thank each and every one of you for. Stopping by. To See us today. Though, scar scorecards nice. Legends with Louis Series continues. We go in a slightly different direction to this point. The first four legends consecutively. Are All. either. Hockey players of great renown. Or hockey coaches slash general managers of hall of Fame Quality All for the individuals are hall of famers. I might quickly add and funny. So is our guest with Louis today at five fifteen. But it's a different deal. It's the broadcast excellence. We'll be talking about this afternoon and maybe some hockey with doc Emrick who's joined the program before? What was the circumstance? We had him last time. Do you remember? was there a specific? It was because he was in charge of one of the wild blackhawks series NB sets right, and so it had been a second round series. I want to say one of the. Second round. That's it so that's when we had a mind because it was the same time we had expo. It has been, and that's been a while. Rossum, five fifteen. We look forward to that visit. Three fifty five today we got a second shot at my Guy Mark van. Zyl Jordan Michael Jordan. And we thought it might be worthy to get vassal. Who's been all over that story? The Jordan story from the very beginning before it was even fashionable. To get his views on kind of postscript on the last dance and especially. What ends that documentary know that mini series as the burning question. Who broke up that dynasty that won six titles in eight years. Was it crumbs krause. Was it Michael. Was it Scotty. Was it Phil Jackson. was. The ownership led by Jerry Reinsdorf off I. Think will have some strong opinions on that. And he was extremely plugged in then, and so we'll check in with him, and in addition as a bonus with Mansell. Because search tonight! I believe on Fox. Sports North. If I'm not mistaken. Their running game seven nineteen eighty seven world series of the not. Being run Summer Donald Jackson is. Wrong? I'll we'll find out where it is, but it's it is fsn, it's you know. People are talking about it thinking about it. We've obviously had frankie sweet music vile on many times over the years to discuss. That run and number of other baseball related issues, but Vance was covering the eighty seven twins four, my newspaper, the Star Tribune generally. We sat side by side in fact well, except for most of the postseason when you have two spots in the main box, and of course that was going to be said, not me. So I was in the box, not bitter about it at all, but I was in the odds box, and Vance was the main, so it'll a little bonus. Twins conversation with what Van Zyl Remembers about that run and specifically about. That game seven, which, because the ninety one game seven is so mythic sometimes gets relatively short shrift. It was not as dramatic. A game obviously in large measure because. Well it didn't go extra innings A and B Frankie, sweet music, my all dominated similar the way Jack Morris dominated, but the twins were ahead. And, so all as a matter, was the twins protecting the lead that they'd established, and then Jeff, reardon came in and and pitched the. A relatively routine ninth inning as I recall as well so van Zyl at Three Fifty Five. This afternoon Mark Van Zyl of former ink-stained wretches gone on to bigger and better things as well. We've got a good done as to get to today. That I think you will enjoy. Leave the toy department. A couple of times for I think. Important subjects that. We absolutely need to I feel I feel strongly that it'd be a good time to. discuss as well. And I mentioned off the top of the program that we are indeed your. I finally figured out what I've really missed. During the covid nineteen winter of discontent leader. It dawned on me and I. Don't exactly know when I had the epiphany. Because you could say like a lot of people have missed lots of things. I. Yes have missed. Live sports. It for no other reason than for the crutch of it or the background, the soothing background noise. That it provides me and many of us, even if we're not gonNA, sit there and watch inning for example of every MINNESOTA, twins, game, right or every period of a Minnesota wild game. Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera. No doubt that's got to be high on the list. High fiving with you after we've nailed another show. long-standing tradition here bumper to bumper included with the chest. Bump no doubt about that. Now. PA doesn't miss this because PA never stop doing this. With. WHO's the Producers Show Nora? Arizona, yes. So as far as I, never see him sites. OUTTA sight outta mind I know. They never stopped. Belly bumping. Fist bumping. And what else do they? Get into wise? They do side poking. An occasional smooching. Not that there's anything wrong with that either. I miss like a lot of people. Breaking bread at some of my favorite. Restaurants. Like a lot of people I've gotten a lot of stuff to go, and that's served a lot of people's purpose. Purposes. But there is still something to the act of. Sitting down at a nice table. Enjoying your favorite wine cooler. And a nice feedback, right? Now for you, it's not all that relaxing because you got three kids, yeah! Five hundred fourteen, but I remember what it was I do. I Miss Certainly And I got. Misled a little bit on this story I miss. Browsing. The aisles at my favorite. Barnes and Noble Bookstore. Somebody emailed me the other day and said. Are you excited about returning to Barnes and noble on Monday? And I just assumed he knew something. Maybe it's because I wanted to believe it. I mentioned to my wife. She checks yesterday, and she says wait a minute, my friend I don't think Barnes and noble is open here any of their stores yet. And I think that's still true. Maybe there's been a big announcement on one. They're gonNA Open I. DO believe they're back to. Drive through stuff you can order ahead curbside pick side pickup, but I don't think you can browse. That looks to be accurate. Just looking on their website right now. I missed that a lot. Did A lot of that. because. Relatively speaking, bookstores remain one of the few places left in which. Say Silences. Golden but relative quietude. Is generally the order of the day unless you're in the cafe section? and. You're unlucky and there's a moose. Lodge meeting and then it can be extremely la by even missed that I missed complaining. About how loud it can get were time. Who's Club Moose Lodge meets and you can walk your favorite walkaway modern S. Do, you miss the walkaway mutter. No because I did that today. Thought something else. I gotta today to Actually I. Just Okay I'm at. Loans and Bartoli's doing my own checkout I'm pretty much doing that routinely now. And I've bagged my items. I have grabbed my receipt. And I'm. Kind of circling a little bit to the left towards the entrance. Or Exit I guess in this case. And out of nowhere I still don't know where she came from. A woman. Right on top of me. As to edge ahead of me. To left and I like I, said she wasn't in the aisle with me, so I don't even know where she came from, but she couldn't wait. Even in our cove, nineteen pandemic winter. She couldn't wait so six feet apart. Three feet apart. How about right in my nose for God's sake? And muttered, she didn't hear me. Yeah, I didn't make a confrontation, but that was my muttering as I'm leaving that particular Lens, barley was what was your mutter more or less, the same I was at walgreens trying to get a few things and everybody's got a mask on which I was heartened by I. Don't think she did and on top of it I'm back in one of the corner aisles I was trying to get some kids toothpaste. And it was kind of like your bards and next thing I know I got a guy like around your shoulders. What are we doing here? You feel as breath on your neck. What I was feeling. And he was wearing a mask. which is good, it's a start, but what is so complicated about this? It not stay six feet apart nothing. They mean when they say. Let's practice social distancing when we go out. It's not that difficult. No. And by the way Maybe there's some studies that say really should be ten there. Other studies stay should be forfeit, you could. You can get whatever result you want, but it's a guidepost, right? It's a guidepost for people and it's just I think more common sense than anything else. So the monitoring I don't Miss Because I'm still doing it. But. It crystallized today more than any of the other things I mentioned live sports, high, fiving and fist, bumping and belly bumping with you after show breaking bread. Let's say boulevard. Hanging at Barnes and noble, just taking my time. Checking out this book checking out that. Magazine browsing at my leisure PA wanted to clarify it side jiggling. Jiggling but don't tax me so I feel like we should correct the record. Jiggling still going on, but go on more than any of that. I, really think I missed Johnny Flynn Smile. I really believe if I. And then here's what happened. Right before the show, I tried to find Johnny Flint Smile Online and none of the smiles I've found captured were were the classic Johnny Flint Spa. Have they done something they embargoed? The Best Johnny Flint smiles for some reason to punish us. 'cause there was nothing. Nothing quite like. The warm nature. The effervescence the voltage. Of Johnny Flynn Smile. That was like a hug. The Bass imagine having that right now. How therapeutic would it be? To be able to look straight into that Mug, that lovely smile that. Infectious Grin on the face. Of the Point Guard didn't quite work out named John Flynn. There's one from draft night where it is a pretty, but you're right. There's not they've done something with. There's not a bunch unique. He's been scrubbed, do they? Do you fake Kanzi? Do you think the mere cat somehow has gained some sort of some sort of proprietary control over the Johnny Flynn smiles like he wants to make make me pay for it in some way. He's got some kind of a copyright commemorative prints all over his house of Johnny. Flynn smile. He bought the rights to all the pictures. Yeah, well. It's it's concerned. Is. All I can say, but that's it. So if you can find me the Oh the and I go, I guess for different people different Johnny Flint. Smiles are going to be. The one right the beauty of when you're as you're as versatile, a smiler John Flynn was. That's the thing it's you know. It's in the eyes of the beholder. I'll grant, but it's. It's like we've talked about pornography. You know it when you see it. Like one of the Supreme, court justices said that many many years ago. same with Johnny Flint Smile when it's the right Johnny Flynn Smile. You know it. It, just it as the kids say, it hits different. It hits different when you see that right Johnny Flynn Smile for me. It's a fan. emailer John Offers Up. A uses a pretty decent johnny. Flynn smile. Of course it comes. Inside a story that reads counting down the twenty five biggest busts in NBA history I don't know show of hands. For the record you want to take a guess on. Top twenty five biggest draft boss in history what number they would assign this particular website Johnny to John Flynn. I'd say like mid teens. Seventeen eighteen good. That's good nineteen. He was injured. He had some injuries. He was definitely injured I I gotta be honest with you. Though the Johnny Flint apologists have leaned on that way too much for me. It's an unknown. We'll never know. Johnny Flynn was nowhere near as good as advertised. For one thing he he, he liked. The sound of his own dribble a little bit too much for me. Andrew did dribble. We can argue about you know. The the Rambus speed stubborn about the triangle, and whether that makes sense with pure point guard whatever? And we'll never know but I. But I I'd say this. A decent I'd say this is a half smile. This isn't ahead on. Do you prefer the Johnny Flint smiles where his eyes are looking off away from the camera. I prefer the one where he's looking straight at the camera I'm. Melt when I see one of those. If it's the right one, you have to go to either draft night or the press conference when he was announced that. The smile you're talking about is like the draft night, smile. Yeah! Where was Michael All the candy on that list by the way? Our Guy Candyman. Did He have a good smart? No, I'm talking about the draft side, sorry. Well, that's a good question. Actually see how can see a number one overall pop, and are we represented here in this? Wami Brown and former number one picks. That were just terrible. Anthony, Bennett probably on there as well as she here. We had him for a while in nineteen. Let's start with nineteen even though it's twenty five. Maybe it's just a capture off doin wagner. OR MEMPHIS. Can't remember previous or next. Which one do I? which way do I wanna go I go next? Those doubts are seventeen. Jonathan Bender Pacers racers yeah. High School Kid I remember sixteen was. I can't pronounce his name. She sleepy member Nicholas from Denver Visually S. K.. S. H. V. I l. i. skews Viewing Skis. Really I think I think you've nailed it. That's correct. fifteen. This an interesting list. Actually we've stumbled into Robert Tractor trailer Oh six overall pick. In nineteen hundred and ninety a very nice college plan. I think that was the Dirk Nowitzki draft. If I remember right, is that true I? Think so. He had a lot of health problems. Weight issues as well. Averaged under five points and under four rebounds his. Entire career rest in peace. That's right. That's exactly right. Sean Bradley Number Two seven six guide number, two overall pick by the Mavericks in Nineteen Ninety three. we got donyell. Marshall in that draft I believe. Is that the one thanks? Andy Stray now. He was ninety four. Ninety four Thirteen. Ranked Thirteenth in the twenty five biggest butts bussing. NBA History Strom Al Swift Lsu Danny Ferry number twelve. He was the second overall pick in nineteen nine forgot that. We interviewed him at the Atlanta. One year. You said it didn't go well, right. He was crusty. Again I don't know why he was there. Yeah, deal of. Begging people. Number Eleven Adam Morrison third overall pick. Yeah, that was a Jordan pick. The first pick made by Michael Jordan as a Bob Cats managing member of basketball operations, I. think that's what started the Barclay rank, Iran. We just talked about that. Within the last couple of weeks, Michael has not gotten over it yet apparently. Ten. Jay, Williams second overall pick. That's tough for the Bulls. How so well? Yes his is is is. Trust floated well, he got an motorcycle. He almost died. He made a dumb decision bust to me. Is The guy just sucked? Yeah, now that he got in a terrible accident, had his career short and Sam Mbui nine, and again he had bought of if he was a boss. Part of that was injuries. He had all kinds of. injuries during the course of his career. Of course he was also picked ahead of Michael Jordan, which is quite a burden. As it we've learned based on the opus. Just wrapped up by ESPN here. We go number eight Michael Ola Candy First Overall Pick one thousand nine hundred now. We didn't draft no clippers. Did we had them later? Yes, yes, we did that was a clippers. Move hundred percent right, but he diversity. LARUE! Martin! First, overall pick nineteen seventy-two. You kids probably don't. Remember that name. But he was picked ahead of a hall of FAMER named mcadoo Tremendous Score And he ended up. Played Four season the NBA The center. Averaged five points and four and a half rebounds. He was supposed to be. The answer for the Portland Trailblazers shows another bad one for the blazer sewer. Tough around didn't quite work out. he's Loyola if I'm not mistaken Anthony, Bennett. Yup Six biggest Boston, NBA draft history. He was number one overall, Cleveland in two thousand and thirteen. We had him for a while right he was. Trade I thank Flyer on him and didn't really go anywhere Chris Washburn. All Yeah Nineteen, eighty six was the third overall pick. That year. A six eleven center did absolutely. Nothing. He had drug issues as well. He had a lot of stuff working against him. Kind of curious now that we're in the in the top five four is Greg Oden. First, overall pick and oh seven. He too had a lot of injuries. And what hurts for him is a feet. A foot problems, yes. Kevin Durant was picked second in that draft. By the Sonics there's that to. Number three? We got some. Connection here. Darko Milicic Oh? Wow, second overall pick, and all three by Joe dumars is general manager of the Detroit Pistons member. On and again that's another guy we had so and paid. Paid Yeah Double Bout on. What other teams figured out that he's not worth the money? So we so we, we're in this a lot. Even if it was almost deal, we refuse to believe these guys are. So we're going to give them second third chances which we did with all the Candy Yup we did with Darko. We did with Bennett. Who Else Am I thinking about? Obviously a Johnny Flynn, smile. As the theme of that is David Kahn would say for whatever the reason Dantonio chose not. We had that same logic and a lot of them. Whatever the reason Ashim thebeat never have. Yeah, that can overall pick. Oh, nine, a very polarizing player at seven three Yep some people out of Yukon. Were convinced got a chance to be something special defensively. Other people said forget it not athletic, enough bad bad feet, bad form, not going to get it not gonNA work. Five seasons in the NBA. Averaged two point two points and two point seven. She's rebounds. He went second overall. And at the top of the list number one according to this list. Another close friend of Michael Jordan's kwami. Brown yeah I mentioned earlier. First pick back in two thousand and. One, so there you have it. We didn't get to twenty three twenty five, so we're represented. In a couple of different ways, not just a drafting. guys who were bossed, but also giving those those fella, several other chances to prove indeed that the original belief that they were bus was one hundred percent were was absolutely accurate as well. Vance top of the four o'clock hour. LEGENDS WITH LOUIS DOC emrick will be our very be. He's very special guest as well. You did it to yourself I. Don't know why you did it via twitter, but you went. There will discuss exactly what I'm talking about, and maybe even get to a done as a society item Fan. Keep trying folks I appreciate the effort. They're all trying to find the perfect. Johnny Flynn Smile Photo and I'm still not feeling it I. Don't know maybe I built it up so. The perfect Johnny Flynn Smile. Photo doesn't even exist that I've envisioned. I have no idea last guy. Try email though via Google. Sent me a message, but without the without the photo. So. And I don't have a name on this guy. It starts with Kay's CC. I would say try again with the photo itself and I would certainly. Indeed considerate it by the way for the record. The final, the twenty three twenty five biggest bus were not in any of those. Thankfully, there were others not worth naming here but we're not in that particular group. Dan WanNa soda reminds us that. The opposite I guess of The calendar calamity that today is the anniversary of went for the first time in the history. Of Johnny Flynn's favorite franchise, the wolves actually got. The Lotto balls right and got the number one overall pick. Cat Right yes. Two Thousand, fifteen, twenty fifteen, so five years ago, and of course he, he handed me a the youngblood youngblood opus. Attempted to lay out just how we've done many shows, regarding the odds on US moving down every time previously. And never getting the number one over par overpaid overall pick previously. That is a fun summer. Tradition it. It's unbelievable. It's UNCANNY, but he reminds us of the Prince Awfully small here. Of maybe the most notable falls the most notable obviously as the shack ear where we had the worst record fifteen and sixty seven and dropped two spots from one to three and that we didn't get shack and we didn't get Alonzo. And we got a Christian. Leitner in eighty three. No ninety three. We got We had the second worst record, and we again dropped the furthest we could drop. We dropped to five and that was the. Junior J. J. Rider, season, two, thousand ten. We had the second worst record. At fifteen, sixty seven, we dropped two places to number four and we got. What's Johnson good? And in two thousand eleven. We had the worst record seventeen and sixty five. And we moved down one spot Dirk William, and that would be Derek Williams in a draft where there really wasn't any I mean it was that was the consensus second overall definitely was he. It didn't work out very well with him. That was the Kyri draft I believe can i. ask you why you. Do to yourself exactly. Just in the mood? Yeah, so you've! Got To get in the mood, just WANNA. Throw it out there. Get people going did that. How by retweeting a CNBC actually Jon Favreau tweet that was maybe you might have been your mistake for the that's that's red meat. It is to the right that was also part of the plan. Okay, that was. No Farrell was one of Obama's speechwriters right. He does I think a, podcast, pod, save America or something like that one of those out and he had re tweeted a recent CNBC study that reports. that. Wearing a mask might. Decrease transmission, of Corona virus by seventy. Five percent! And, so he I can't remember exactly what he said, but basically like really not asking much, you know, let's just give it a shot, and that's been my whole point for the last week or so of all the things that we can draw the line on, so we've been asked to do here. Wearing a mask when you go out, somewhere is the one where people are putting their foot down and saying nope can't do it to that. Point a try I'll try one more time. Regarding the inherent contradiction among a some of my friends on the right, regarding stubbornness on this issue by the way I've granted. That there is reason for confusion because we have all been receiving conflicting. Signals? On that very issue about how? Julius we've not run from that, we haven't denied it. That's part of the deal, but. I'll go to a righty source. For a little bit of detail here on what bugs me, the most is is out of National Review under headline the Libertarian case for masks. The irony is the civil libertarian objections to masks. Make draconian measures more likely. The more people refused to wear masks the greater risks of reopening. Where mask wearing his taken whole Taiwan Japan South Korea, for example, life is preceded in quasi normalcy to varying degrees etcetera etcetera, the efficacy of masks strengthens the antilock down. Case he he, what he's trying to say is what I've talked about. Is that if you are libertarian? If you are I, don't like our freedoms taken away and I want to be able to buy God. Go wherever where I WANNA go. Strategically speaking. You should be the most pro ask even if in your mind, you believe the mask is nowhere near as good protection as we are now being told. If, you're thinking strategically. As a libertarian you go. All Right? I'll sign up and you might even think it's worth the helping a little bit that even if the the the latest? Medical Research this came out of the East I believe that was OCTA CNBC story. Even think it's overstated. Say I made a slightly overstated, but there's another indication that it might indeed be helpful as part of a bigger process in which no one act is panacea. It's on conjunction mask washing hands. ETC might just be playing the the odds. That's been the part for me that has. Then a head scratcher. Is that the people who should be the most militant. About masks. Are, the ones who are saying. Get it going. We're diving in open this thing up. Look at the numbers and we've talked a lot about the numbers SP BACK! There's a new statistic out today. START TO DOT COM has the Guy Jeremy Olson with the story. Seventeen new COVID, nineteen deaths in Minnesota includes thirteen long term care residents the percentage I believe in the state of Minnesota. On fatalities as it pertains to long-term care. Places is eighty percent between seventy eight and eighty percent right in that particular, and there are many other places in which it is similarly high others not quite so much as well, but definitely quite high so. Did you get what you wanted by the way did you get? Did you get him going? Yeah, there's a couple, but not a lot. Not As y'all disappointed I to be honest I haven't really looked. I kinda did the castle kind of threw it out there knowing what it was going to do and have kind of just left it there. Sad. I would never do anything like that. No, this is the. Only Speaking of trolling, which is kind of what you're attempting to do? Was channing frye trolling. He has. Gotten a little bit of attention the last several days. He is the Co host of something called Talking Blazers in Portland Trailblazers podcast. Alongside Dan Sheldon former NBA player, right. channing Frye. and. Like I said I. There's a part of me that says okay. Don't overreact to this. Because he just he might just be bored. And he might just. WanNa. Be Getting people going a little bit. Nevertheless If you've heard what he said, on Mike Lee said well, he had. Only had really one job. And that was just score. And he did added an amazing amazing rate, but I don't feel like his way of winning then would translate to what it is now. Guys wouldn't. Want to play. With him? Actually Dot as material unless all a game unless it's. It's kind of a game that is attempting. To play. Various. Well I was about to say. There's not an NBA player who would not from who would not love playing with Michael, Jordan but I? Maybe I shouldn't go that fast because there's a couple arguments in that quote Michael. There is there's. There's a case to be made that he's right, but not for that reason. I don't think has anything to do with. He scores too much or watch the ball too much. There's plenty of players who wouldn't mind deferring at all to Michael Jordan if you can help him, win championships and and get the hardware. Which is what Michael Does. Now with Michael Hurt, too many feelings today we've. We've talked about that subject. Over the last several weeks as the last dance played out that I think there's a better case to be made for that the other problem, the part of the stupidity of what channing Frye offers up is. It's an apocryphal notion. It's an Asinine notion that Michael Jordan just had one job. Michael Jordan had several jobs at least of which. was to be one of the best defensive players in the history of the League. I think it was all team all first team all defense. Nine or ten times his career huge number I think he also wanted offensive player of the year once. Leaving, also aside. That, he wasn't just didn't have to score. He had to win. He had to respond the ultimate responsibility nine times out of ten with ball in his hands to determine whether his team was going to win, either by him hitting the shot, or by creating the situation to us, he learned he started a trust, teammates and Phil Jackson convinced them to occasionally get the ball to the open man, so it's. ACID entity on several levels unless it's just him trying to get people going in which case I guess he did. Absolutely I got people going, but it's just. It's one of those things where it gets people going, but it's so dumb so dumb. It's not worth getting. Over and that people are saying that about what you did to, maybe some people as you know, but that's where I can't get all. That worked up 'cause. channing frye getting more worked up. Why no, but it's! It's so. It's so factually imperative shirt, and it's so absurd that it's not even worth really getting that worked up. Because clearly, he has no clue. So. How have that much of a clue? Lender can really be that up to. That's what I'm out. Michael That's what I'm GONNA. You know one of my favorite parts of the documentary chat was. To this point on Jordan. Point, it's over no node. To the point we're talking about I. Thought you meant like you're hoping there's like four more parts. You'RE GONNA. Have to move on. ABC tonight after the last dance. Where they're gonNA review some of the things well, not only that actually come to think of it tomorrow night now. Somebody is doing for the first time in high DEF. Game Six of the six title the Jordan game where he makes three ridiculous place to win the game and steal it from the jazz so. Wait to tell my Wife I. WanNa Watch that tomorrow. I feel like I. Should Live streamed that conversation that I wanNA watch our night right, but one of my favorite parts was in this last part nine or ten, the last two when there were the Pacers series and Reggie Miller was going off. And they were in the huddle and Phil. Just said to Michael he said Mike the kids getting pretty hot right now or something like that. Talking about Reggie is going up and I took that coach before like. Art Mike Time to guard him. You know it's time to shut him down. That's all that's all then master needed to say. It was Mike this kid's rolling. And Michael Knew that it was I and I. Don't know if it's not like. He locked them down after that or whatever, but the point now is it. He was the principal defender Team Fuller Defenders yes, in Harper Rodman, they could obviously guard people that was one of their strengths Jordan. was the Alfa defender as well and that four seconds says at all like when they needed them to score would and when they need them to lockdown, somebody or at least pay more attention to somebody's. He would do it anymore. There's there's a difference between wall. This guy has to score. And all this guy has to do is be the difference. Reno's winning and losing every game with the responsibility. Yeah, because now Michael wouldn't have had any other way, and he reveled in ended and loved it, but there's a lot of scores who still didn't influence games to that degree and didn't have that responsibility on their hands. Where if you, if you don't finish the job here? It's going to be viewed. Viewed as a failure. It's yeah, it's beyond. It's good preposterous. Stay statement tournament material. That's for sure I'll leave you. Tell you what I got a couple of good emails on the masks. We'll save him because we'll have a chance to get back to it. In the four. I've got another subject in the four that have been sitting on for several days that I gotta get out of my system today. And I'll be very curious to hear what the lefties have to say about that particular issue, doc emrick will join with Louis. The legends of Louis Series will continue at five fifteen speaking of legends. Michael Jordan The ten part series is over, but there's still lots of discussion, and there's still a lot of open questions mark van Zyl. Who covered Michael Jordan biographer with else answer? Maybe the biggest one who in his mind is ultimately most responsible for the break-up of that Dynasty van Zyl on that and covering the nineteen eighty seven world series winning Minnesota twins, the Star Tribune I wanna now. Most people struggle to be present. People. Go and sit in Ashrams for twenty years in India, trying to be present. Do. Yoga Meditate, China to get here now. One of the better comments from the ten part series in fortunate for us. The Guy who uttered those words is with us now mark vassals on the whiting. Clinic Lasik. And cataracts hotline did that. Did that just come to you, or did you have that written down? I mean that was really really good, and a lot of people have commented on it I mean you just nailed that one. I've been thinking about for a long time. because I I never thought that anyone explained. Him or people like him when I mean by that. Are you know there's a? There's a huge Delta between true icons and superstars? You know it looks like they're close, but they're not. And there's a difference and I. I've thought about it a long time, and in Michael's case, it's sort of you know. I've had I like you? I've had the opportunity to be around some very famous people and. I realized that they all had a similar similar quality in that was. My point about Michael Lewis. He's real gift. Wasn't jumping running. shooting I mean Dominique. Wilkins could do everything physically. Michael Jordan can do, but you. You wouldn't put those in the same sense. so, what was the difference? And it just sort of occurred to me that this guy is. He's never fearful because he's never in places where your list. which is the past projected into into the present or the future? project you know or project the presence of the future in those two places don't really exist, you know the past is the past. The future is the future. what really exists is the president, so he could. And you saw this right is career. He could have. somebody writes something really awful about him on Tuesday. And By Wednesday, he if he even noticed that it was gone. I mean he wasn't. He didn't dwell on the past and dwell on the future. Did you. Have you ever figured out where you think? that. Edge comes from where that ability comes from. Is that the old deal of it's? It's it's just in somebody. And they figure it out and evolves. It comes from some influence or from some person or some aspect of his upbringing what? Can we trace why he has it or is that the explain unexplainable? If you're religious or religious or spiritual. It's. It's the God that's in us. You know it's that place. In, in most of us can't. Yeah I think it's an all of us to some degree. I think an example. Many many years ago, I was driving Down I lived on wall. Street in Chicago, and there was is not far from the cabrini-green housing. Know I was driving through. There is A. Cold crummy winter December day. And as I was turning a corner. I was looking at these gray awful buildings. And there was one door painted red. And it had Christmas lights around. In I pulled over, and I thought I'm just dying to know who that person is. You know. How do you find that amid in the middle of all of this? And so I think we come across people like this all the time who? have this sort of the nate gift, or they haven't barry it with fear. which is I think most of us do and then you come across people like Michael Mario Andretti was this. Why spend a Lotta time with Mario and The way it came to me with him was he was telling me about the twenty four hours at. Or Daytona And He was so lacked in. That he could see his wife on the Infield as he was going around course. And that's just that's. That's an example of your, so absolutely cemented to that moment. that. You're not somebody somewhere else. And then I've seen it with others I've been around and they're not necessarily famous. did he ever get man? What's The maddest? Michael Ever got it you? What was it about? If he, he early on And I think actually this. is we how it actually helped our relations? He was supposed to show up for something like. The Tuesday afternoon. There's no game or Wednesday afternoon. Whatever it was and he was supposed to go to. something for the team and I can't remember what it was an appearance some kind. And and he didn't show up. And found out, he didn't show up and and I sorta blistered him for it because I felt like. You can't give that guy a pass for something like that. You know. More than anybody has a responsibility to. night and I wasn't even I wasn't even really thinking about the franchise, but he certainly did had a responsibility franchise, but To people who would have? You know gone out of their way to see him. He owed that to them. And you know we sort of had it out the next day and I've made my case as I just made it now and he. You know. You SORTA took it in and I think like I. think that actually helped relationship. You know the The series ends with I. Think what is the most compelling ongoing question because Jordan's greatness? I think was captured pretty well and a lot of effective ways, and believe it or not I think a lot of us who covered him or around not as much as you still had to be reminded of his greatness, and it was a good reminder whether it's the tape whether it's the the old shots of him, performing and Games. Some of the numbers, some of the interviews, etc, etc, but beyond that I think the open question continues to be. Why did it end when it did and their ton of theories that have been advanced as you well know? certainly it appeared at the end of episode ten that you could put Reinsdorf's fingerprints all over it from a financial standpoint, then I've heard. Other people say deep down. Michael might not want to admit this, but. He really was relieved. He did not want to continue to go and he's letting other people take the heat for it nevertheless, what do you say someone who covered him forever? What's the real story from your standpoint about why it ended when it did? Well, I. Think there are two aspects to it. Number One the fact that Jerry. Krause announced before the season started. This is. and Phil embraced that idea. And Soda all the players. And so there's that part of it. You know where they had just gone through another grueling hundred game season. and. everyone was everyone was really beat up at the end of that. But there's another aspect of it, too, and you and you pointed out Dan that. You know. I think Ryan stores have great owner because he looks, he sees right through the reality. Is He was right? He was right about where you really going to overplay pay. All of these players just to keep them for one year I mean Luc. Longley got a five year thirty million dollar contract. And he was twenty nine years old with with with you know questionable. Is Ankles were very weak for his is. Rodman turns out only played I think something like thirty six more in his career after that year pippen. Had had two surgeries. You know, and and as you saw you know. That! The final game in Utah so if you looked at it. You, know with clear is, you would say. Man You really WanNa. Go all the way to the bottom in ride this out and not only gonNA spend a fortune. But on guys that may or may not be able to pull it off, but when they're done, it's done. Win Or lose and. You know I think. So I think you can defend it from different angles. I was surprised actually what? What Michael said that he and I understand his point. Because it's a legitimate point, we all grow grew up playing. Play playground basketball and you know a fundamental aspect to the game is you? Don't leave when you win. You stay until you lose and I think I think that sticks in his craw obviously. But I will also say that that I mean. The He'd had enough. And so had the guys around him and I don't know if they would have been able to keep pipping. Because Scotty Lost a lot of money with it turns out an agent who is a victim of fraud. So, he needed to go and make money. Mark Vassal is argh asked I arise dwarf chatted with Casey Johnson. You may have seen those quotes reacting to our ten, and he says when the lockout was over well, he reminds us that that was you know during the the lockout period and he also says. when locker was over I, still couldn't talk. Fill into coming back. Michael had cut his finger with a cigar cutter. It's the store not heard and he couldn't have played You know. Michael Women able to come back now. As Casey, Johnson points out you could argue the flip side of that is maybe Jordan is in a different mode. If he still thinks it's alive, the dream might be alive. Maybe that accident doesn't even happen. Do you have any recollection that period at all or what what REINSDORF is talking about? I'm trying to figure out what the REINSDORF is. Because you make points that makes sense about what's realistic about keeping the band together. How difficult that was going be, and maybe even possible in the case of Pippin his even Jordan acknowledged, but also trying to figure out how much of this is now door wanting to believe this because he might have a little bit of regret, and so he's, he's remembering the story in a way that he wants to including that Michael cut his finger. Mike Michael. Finger I mean that was true I don't know what the crew was truly couldn't have played That might have been true. But I remember that he really do that. I think the there were there was. Acrimony between the players and management. And after that lockdown, right or lockout, whatever and I think it was I. Think Jerry's right. I think get over and. said that to actually yeah, yeah I. I, think especially with the lockout. I remember to lots of is. Michael called me one day and said. Hey, take a look at this with. The Players Association is GONNA. Add and we're GONNA. Put it in the new. York Times and whatever out and you want to be that. You know right at. What I thought of it and so. He he was. He was really involved in that process and I don't know you know looking back until you just mentioned i. Recall that but. I think it's just because he you know. He's a player and he wants to players. Get all the money just like you'd expect and but I didn't get the sense. I never got the sense once that season was over. That, anyone was coming back. You know that it was. I mean my God. How could you end up better than that? I mean his entire career. With encapsulated in forty five seconds, he scored. Is He had to score? When everyone in the court knew he had to score really quickly, he did it then on the other end. He makes a great defensive play. Then he comes down hits a game winning shot I. Mean that's his whole career. and. You can't. You really can't make it up? Which might suggest that The comments from channing Frye missed the point when he said Michael had only had really one job, and that was just to score, and he did that amazing amazing rate. you heard about channing, right we. We've suggested earlier that maybe just trying to get people go on his board. He's trying to get people going but in the wake of reminding people about that stunning sequence, which summed it all up It was even more mind-blowing that a player could be that a former player could be that stupid. Well for most people have to tell him that. channing Frye was actually a of. Sets. As very true to mark vassal is our guest on on the Fan the. Were you amused at all by the change in the the flu story to wasn't. Flew in the way that I think people assumed it was either stomach, flu, or body fluid, or whatever, but that it was. Food poisoning because somebody got a hold of apparently the the guy who made. And deliver the Jordan Pizza who says that was the best pepperoni there was nothing tainted about it. No one else got sick that night. What are we make about that whole deal? Well, I knew about the food poisoning that it wasn't the flu There's another aspect to that. And I'm not going to be able to remember what the differences between the caterers, but there's one. Drink to replenish after. electrolytes churning after you've been playing and there's another one that you. I think take I. There was there was a difference between. The there were two kind gave him the wrong one. So, it has time I mean he was by the end of that game. He was so dehydrated. that. One person with the Bulls said. They were worried about they were seriously worried about him. You know beyond that dying, but ending up in emergency room because he there was nothing left in the guy. And part of it was whatever this mix up was You know drinking a lot of coffee. He was trying to stay. You know, stay awake. Stay hydrated. And you know if what was interesting about that is you saw? In that game six, just how profusely or well that game in in that particular game? Profusely. He was sweating. Yeah, I, do, and Y- I mean it was. It was far more dangerous than anyone thought. It definitely look bad regarding the the the end of the run. I want to talk briefly about krause. Because you can't argue as you mentioned that. Krause rigged it all by going much further as Reinsdorf acknowledges that he should have with his comment about we can go eighty, two and Phil Jackson's not coming back as the coach and I historically have felt that krause. As bad bedside manners. He had as dismissive as he could be. Did get ripped too much given that he is the architect putting some of the pieces together including. Know Getting Phil Jackson into the system as an assistant coach, not to mention Pippen, etc, but I'm wondering from your perspective if you think krause was so sensitive that he couldn't stop himself that that was what drove him to say, something that made no sense, even if in his mind, he believed this was Phil's last year. that he would go as far as he did to go public with a comment that did seem to sort of set the tone for everything. What what what? What can you tell us about Jerry? Yeah I. Think you hit it on the head Dan and he. Horrible bedside manner is a good way to put it. He He you, know He. It's unfortunate because. What he did was really spectacular. I mean on on on one brand one draft. He comes away with pippen and Horace, grant. you know forty percent of three championships? and. He makes a very controversial trait for Oakley to get cartwright. You know you can look around all the pieces that he put together and how it worked. I mean a lot of that. You know goes to fill and Michael but Jerry did a fantastic job. and. I think he was just tired of. Everybody else getting. Yeah, getting credit and getting none and I agree with you. I think he got. He got way more negative sort of media than not that he deserved. Unfortunately, he deserved it because of how he acted. Yeah but he was you know one of the most I opening things to me in the in the last night here. Sunday night was Scotto complain. You know we had the greatest player and we had the greatest coach and we had the greatest Jim. And I didn't see that coming night uneven. Yeah, yeah! So. You know it wasn't. It wasn't lost on some of these guys I. Don't think Michael Either I mean. You know deep down I think Michael knows that the and and I will also say this cross. Talked to 'em j all the time. about central trades about there was one. Somewhere along they were, they were thinking about Bernard. King and Mike and Michael just I just happened to be in his room. and. He said are you Jerry? Are you had your mind? This guy you know, he can't do anything without the ball. He's not gonNA. Have the ball. So? I also sense by the way that. Phil. I would think Michael. Scottie, but certainly horace and a couple others might have been better than Jerry knowing how to work sources how to show. You know look, you're in the business and you were in that business of you know information and opinion is gold and intelligence is gold now. Ultimately you got to choose. You gotta try to decide all right. This is legit. How much this is I'm being used. That's part of the game as we know, but I would assume. I always had that feeling that Phil was very clever about known how to drop stuff in a way that was beyond Jerry Jerry. Never got that part of the job at all. I think you're right about that You know just look at these guys though I mean They're all they're all. You know wonderful. Human Specimens. There the prime of their life. Kills at the top of his game and. Jerry is you know sees himself as he always. An underdog, but I will say this I mean. I think sports has gone way too far to the data. And a guy like Jerry. It's GonNa. Come back where guys like that. Who have a real idea about how people I remember Jerry Krause telling me once first thing he does after PC's player, he really likes he wants to see the mother. I said why he goes. Figure out. What kind of body is going to have? As he grows up and that sounds silly. But it's not you know it's like one of those little pieces of data. That it was important to him and what the house was like, and how they how they treated one another and did they? You know was order or was there disorder? And, you know all those things are. He was way ahead of his time. Yeah no question, a very good talent Scout, I think most of us will agree even though he had the advantage of having Michael to build it around tonight on Fox sports north as it just happens by by coincidence, they're rerunning. Because of course live. Sports is a big issue for the various cable outlets, the game seven of the nineteen eighty seven world series game. You have some familiarity with as I recall. Being here, covering it as well touching off guard a little bit on that because we didn't talk about talking about that, but what comes into your head, either from that run that year or specifically from a game, 'cause ninety one has tended to overshadow it because it was later because the game itself was Damn mythic and goes extras and Jack Refuses to come out from tk when nobody says not K.. What do you remember about about that night and about that game at the Dome? Well, I remember my lead. and My lead was for the game story was The team with a snowball's chance didn't know. That's and in what I remember from that. Run especially in the world series was it helped me understand when the bulls were going to break through the Pistons and it helped me understand why the cubs were going to win the world series a couple of years ago. And I can't describe it other than a feeling and I'm sure. You know what I'm talking. That team. Was Not going to lose. And it was a function of Tom. Kelly, being Tom Kelly He had molded these guys. Kelly was fearless. And and so we're all of the characters on that team and it was their time. You know you could just you could feel it. You know and little things about that about that run to. One of the most amazing things Sam didn't see it. Live and I wish I had. was when they beat the Tigers. And then flew home. On a Sunday, we were still in Detroit. Obviously yeah, yeah. Riders were still in Detroit. And flipping on the TV in Detroit and seeing it was. It was like one of those things that I that was. That was an example of these guys are not going to lose. They can't lose. And You know you see it in different teams. I know you've experienced the to where. You just feel it. You know you just feel it and That's what I remember about it. You know as well as the story goes I. THINK THEY TWINS OFFICIALS? Anticipated! Maybe, five thousand people would greet the team back in the Dome, and in fact I think there was a little bit of trepidation about what if You know what nobody shows up I. Mean This billings look feel pretty empty, and then obviously it got filled which still? I'm glad you brought that up. Because it still might be one of the more stunning sports, moments period ever because to fill that building at a moment's notice. It wasn't like there was any advance on Sunday. Night was pretty astonishing, right? Yeah Yeah. It was the most I mean you know? As reporters, especially the guy. By that part time this season beaten down. Not much you know, get to get your emotions. Other than last call but. When I was watching that it was like. Why like I? It was just pure emotion. You know these you know an entire city or part of a state. Got In their cars and went to a place. which was not easy for anybody? To go and park and it was I probably had to be seven, eight, nine o'clock, and whatever it was into fill it and to see the players walk in. I just couldn't imagine what that must have felt like. And it was fascinating to see of course, then then they they you say they finish the the whole thing up I think part of the reason even for twins fans. eighty-seven bigger is that was the breakthrough because this was the town never want. That had never won the super bowl and had to go all the way back to the Minneapolis Lakers a team that had left town at the end of the fifties or started the sixties to talk about titles. This was literally the first breakthrough the first time they said okay. We are good enough, and that's. That's how it was viewed. That's why for some it does have as great as ninety one. Ron was. It has eighty-seven might still have a special place as flawed as you remember especially on the road that that team was yeah. But they had you know they had. A bunch of gamers and that's the only way I can think of it. It's it's. It's like it's such an appropriate term. For guys like Danny gladden and Gatty Burbach and Puckett. and. Eleven and there were. They just had these guys that. Is All I can think of. But they weren't gonNA. They just weren't going to lose. And every one of them palm most to a person when it mattered came through. and. That's a testament to. To pay in the rest of the staff, no doubt by thought. Just one little thing is when he didn't run out onto the field and he just let them. Yeah, it was just. It's a subtle thing, but it was. It was important. I think to success. He had going forward from there and they remarkable thing, too. If you think about it, you know Kelly was pre big preacher of. Defense and pitching basically as being the what what set the tone and both those games sevens. The starting pitchers were marvels, obviously frankie, sweet music in Eighty, seven and Jack Morris Ninety one I mean that. Was that was the Kelly formula? writ large right there in those two games. on that note I'll let you go great stuff as always man, I appreciate the extra extra duty, and we will say well, and we'll be in touch, thanks. Dan Much appreciate the good. That is indeed Mark Van. Zyl, who is out these sports writing business these days moved on to bigger things book publishing. security work. He's very very eclectic and multidimensional, but he is a Jordan biographer who goes way back with Michael, before he was even all that famous as as a Chicago Bull and He also did cover. The eighty seven twins spent a couple of years here at the Star Tribune before he went back to Chicago to do some more duties to cover the NBA and Michael Jordan legends with Louis will continue today at five fifteen with the incomparable d'affaires. Taylor. Steve being in the Dome that night. You're chatting with Marc Vassal about the night. The team wrapped up winning the American League Championship series and was preparing to hit the world series. That The team returned to a full metro. On that occasion. Being the Dome that night when they came back from Detroit is simply one of those magical experience I've witnessed goosebumps. Even now he says he was there. Mike writes eighty seven twins had gamers advances said, but also weren't above bending the rules see Joe Niekro. and. The great emery board controversy. I remember thinking. This is different brand of twins. Maybe they'll actually do something. Historical. Todd this was our team eighty-seven twins the first. To win in a generation bunch of regular guys about our age, we played softball five nights a week and some weekend tournaments, not same course, but still they had young kids like we did like to raise a little hell like we did and had fun playing like we did Irby. Kirby Bruno laughed and had that irreverent air about them, and it felt like. They were our buddies. Ninety one was epic, but eighty seven was magical. Those these were our guys inexperienced fearless, because they didn't know any better like talented twenty six year. Olds are supposed to be. That's pretty well. I think that's at sums it up very nicely about the difference between. The the two runs going back to eighty seven. That's where we got the sound bite. Pat Kessler! On the street before was it before world series game or World series game with because the governor. I think. He said it was either the governor. The mayor had picked the twins to win the world series. So high on Sixth Street. Yeah, doing a live shot in front of the Metrodome. We've seen it because we were video. He looks like he's twelve. It's amazing, absolutely astonishing. He wasn't twelve when he was already in his what he's already in his forties that. which is amazing. You want your quickly can do a quick lead. Yeah I don't think we need to read all that avid reader beside van Zyl. Or near Vance Zyl that particular night he remembered what he wrote I knew there was something about palm trees. He remembered about half of what he wrote and I. Reminded them of it real quick, because he said his lead was the team of the snowball's chance didn't melt and late Sunday night one had the distinct feeling that somewhere very warm place had frozen over I out. There you go which I like you wrote. And you'll see why played that prints bumper music here in a minute palm trees soon may line Lake Minnetonka prince may move to Nashville and become the next conway, twitty. Still using that reference, that's that's that's an Oldie yeah, Walter, Mondale may run for president in eighty eight and win all. That's a cheap shot. No wonder I'm not one of. I had to throw in A. Shot shot in the twins won the world series, and then you wrote. Winter may never come again suddenly in the land of ten thousand lakes. Anything seems possible. Yeah, it was A. It was again the charm of that team. Was! The dramatic difference, home and road I mean it was. They were a bad road team, although they won the division series on the road ironically. I think they were something like twenty, nine fifty two. That season on the road, twenty nine and fifty two won the world series now at home. They were absurd. And I think it's fair to say without the home ice advantage in eighty seven. They don't win. You could make that argument with the ninety-one twins. Twins were better team, but in ninety one. They needed all the home games right? Yeah, they won't. They win the first two here. They lose the next three right in Atlanta, do they? Not they do, and then they come back and wrap it up and I guaranteed they'd lose. We've talked about before in game six with Scotty, Ericsson, pitching, and I said when I wrote, was the braves better win? Because they're not GonNa Win Game Seven Against Jack Morris in the domes, so it's either now or never for them. But You. Know seven run. Again it was. I mean they try. They were so desperate for starting pitching if you'll recall. They, use Steve Carlton about ten years and I see across the hall of Fame Pitcher, but by then was an embarrassment he couldn't. Throw. There were people on the team afraid that he was going to get hurt. People were hitting the ball so hard against him, and they add Joe Niekro. They threw out there and he had all the EMERY board. Stuff got caught. But what they did, have the beauty of it was. They were kind of built for postseason because they had to. Really good pitchers. Yeah, one two Violin by eleven. They had to better one two pitchers and they've had since. which is the irony of it? They've had other teams that are maybe best suited for regular season run, but because the division wasn't very good that year, they didn't have to have that good a record to get in, and then they had basically you go, you know. Burt was a Gamer and and sweet music was a brilliant pitcher by that point. So it was yeah, it was it was. It was a lot there? No, there's no question. It was a lot of fun because. you couldn't script. It was one of those stories that you could not scripted. Just did not even make any any sense and of course. mcphail got all the credit on T K. Another manager and didn't get them Jim. FRY was the guy who wanted and that fell apart interesting, so plan B was wh-. Tk and the rest is history. It's amazing how these remark out Let's break here get caught up and I want to get to a a non toy department related subject as well before we prepare for the top five, Louis and DOC emrick. That is his legend. Asked me. Maher has a thing called new rules I! Don't have a name for this. What intro into the main subject I WANNA to get into before the top of the hour here outside the toy department cove nineteen winter related. How about these ideas see if anybody. Thinks they might have value. If you despise Donald Trump and his policies. You're not obligated to love the world. Health, organization and everything it has done during the covid nineteen winter. If you hate what the WHO has done. During this period and our Guy Posner mentions that he thinks they've made a Lotta mistakes. You're also not obligated to love on Donald Trump. And believe that he is infallible. If you hate the the policies, the Chinese government. Implemented at the start of the COVID nineteen winter. You're not obligated to. Love on trump. If, you hate trump, you're not obligated to suggest that everybody who rips. The policies of the Chinese government is racist. But that's again sort of game that we're in here you're you. You're not allowed to consider those possibilities, because then you're accused of giving sustenance to the sharks or the jets, depending on which team. You are indeed. That's all preface to something that's been bugging me for a little while and I I felt into this trap like a lot of people. For many many weeks, I watched. Governor Cuomo. In his daily briefings, generally, they would be before noon as I recall. and. I like a lot of folks was impressed. I was impressed by. His. Ability to communicate or convey whatever seem to be going on at that point. To answer lots of one could say significant. Questions. He felt very much like a guy who was in charge. In a way that the president of the United States has not been. and. The longer this thing is played out. The more I feel as if there's. A lesson to this process. that. Sometimes just the ability to be a slick communicator. Ramble less. Certainly than the president go off on tangents less than the president. Does not necessarily mean. There should not be pushed back on the job that you have. And have not done. And there are myriad publications. including. The New Yorker magazine. Several others who wouldn't necessarily be classified I. Think is right of the right of center. Generally Who have pushed back on those policies? And asked a lot of important questions and given I think further indication that a lot of significant blunders were made in a place that already was going to have. Some complicating factors starting with population density. Public transportation density. That was gonNA. Make it tough for anybody no matter. How capable you were politically but I think we're learning again that sometimes there is a difference between being capable in front of microphones. And sinking and seeming to be charge and strong. and. Good policy. I'm looking at another story just done. Today. Four days ago. New York set recovering corona virus patients nursing homes. It was a fatal error. Is Out of the Wall Street Journal. Ron Kim is democratic member of the state assembly. District has many nursing home deaths. The state has failed to protect the lives of the most vulnerable members of our community. This, big fail. The can't be explained away. Because Cuomo is good with words. I guess what I'm trying to say. that. Part of the evaluation has to be more than we've talked about this with Glen Mason forever and he's right. The coaches who win the press conference Cuomo has won the press conference a lot. That doesn't necessarily mean. He deserves an aid for the job that he's done in this particular area. He deserves an F. which again is proof that whether you're good in the press conference or bad whether you're Republican or Democrat? The story should still be followed and they're still should be. Criticism about the approach that has indeed. Taken I'll give you a one quote from Cuomo. You tell me how this quote would be received if it came from the United States on the Nursing Home Desk. Older people follow. People are going to die. That's going to happen despite whatever you do. Now. There's probably some truth to it, but you know and I know that quote the get wrong. Get destroyed. That's too easy. That's two cavalier. One thing is that they are more likely to die. Another thing is to implement policy, and of course that make big policy was. If There was no senior home that could refuse incoming patient. On the basis of we want test them. I, that was contrary to policy implemented by this governor. It has been reversed because it has been so spectacularly dangerous. and has added. Too Awful numbers. As of May twelve, so that's a week ago, almost fifty five hundred. Presumed and confirmed fatalities. More than any other state in significant part of New York's total deaths. We're talking about tied deaths just tied to nursing homes, almost fifty five. Hundred? and. That I think is an important. It's been an important lesson for me. Because I early, we talked about like man. You know in command since we control. The message and he's he's you can. You can follow the thread. He can communicate and he is. He's a very good communicator, but that doesn't necessarily always mean. He aced it. He's doing the job. It could mean he's doing a good job. Of conducting the. The press conference and by the way You probably saw this stat. Eighty days ago, zero deaths in the US corona virus. Now we're approaching for not over ninety thousand. Eight. Nine, thousand, five, sixty two was the last number I saw and don't email me about the fact that many of those we just talked about. It are from nursing homes. We have talked about that. But for the people want to dismiss this whole thing is a myth. Ninety thousand deaths. No matter, what the cause, no matter, the age of the individuals involved. That's a significant problem. That's a significant story. Maybe Taylor are targeting better, but over eighty days. Eighty days! That's not even three months. That's a significant number of people and we've talked about even the notion that well yeah a lot of them. Pre existing conditions to regardless of age say yeah, but if forty percent of the country has one kind of pre existing condition or another. That doesn't mean we just right. The the the all those individuals off. We still try to implement the best policies we can. But. I get it on the president. Yesterday it some taking What's the drug that the quinine Hydrochloride Hydro? Call it, yeah! I don't even know if he's actually taking it, or this is his trolling effort where he he's been ripped on it so much that he's just decide I get him going I have absolutely no idea. There's no explaining it. There's no explaining the. In in the case of this president, but I. Don't think we should lose. Take our eye off the ball. The the coverage should also be about policy. and. Read some stuff out of New York especially. We've got our own issues quite frankly when it comes to see to to to nursing homes, but there it's Times Tan. And it in large measure was made far worse. No matter how pretty Cuomo speaks. By, a policy that said you can't test and a lot of the officials have flat out, said well that put us in an unbelievable disadvantage in terms of what we were dealing with here about exacerbating existing problems in those locations. Because you do factor in that the individuals going are older. They are more vulnerable to start with. So the last thing you want to do is is throw accelerator on poor accelerator on the fire right. So in any case I I just think that's an important part of this even if I said you want. Quavo is mesmerizing as a speaker. But that's a little bit of the game. You get so hypnotized by his ability to put words together you go what? What about the policy here? What about the mistakes that are made? Indicative that there's lots of places in which mistakes. Were being made. lefties don't like hearing this either. Compare nursing home. Deaths percentage. Wise in new. York and Florida. And maybe the other shoes about to drop in Florida, and if it does, we'll follow, it will cover it, but the numbers are staggering. Is it lock? Is just pure luck. Is it I? Don't know but. Part of what happened? There is is part of what's happened here not to the same degree. Is that the question of? Could we have done a better job? Targeting our resources in places where those individuals were the most vulnerable and to to go with the old now they're going to die anyway. Which I've heard actually from some e-mailers who want to open up. The die anyway. Yeah, so maybe now they now. They might like Cuomo. At this point. I don't know because many of these are righties That's what we're going to do. That's that's the comment. That's there's nothing sophisticated about that at all. It's rather chilling. I would say Todd I. Get emotional about Kevin Garnett's birthday, and what it represents when it comes to wolves, history NFL has some policy changes as pertains to the Rooney rule that went into effect today or got voted on today. Horace Grant Fires back at Michael Jordan, but that pales in comparison. To Pizza Guy Firing back at Michael Jordan. The man who made an hand-delivered the pizza who claims he did allegedly? We don't really know if he is the guy in Park City Utah. We found him. Multiple people have found. It will play some of his comments when we. Just, in case you missed it. It's the top five sports talkers of the day now it's time for Dan Barreiros top five at five driven by Volvo. Excuse me to clean up some stuff either Brad Sean Brian inbox booth the CAFE DOT COM. Everybody's annoyed with me. Which is good? I I'm I. Want everybody to be annoyed with me the rest of my life. That's what I decided. I live for I just. There's there we have. We have very little hope in any case we do have hoped for I. think a productive top five at five well, let's start with Adam feeling zoom meeting today on when he's comfortable going back to the facility, which technically you can do, the NFL is opened it up, but it's gotta go state by State. It appears and the Vikings aren't opening. There's yet when they say it's okay. I'm not paid to know. Know when that is, but when they say it's okay to be back in the villages opened up for players all be there, and I'll be comfortable with it so I'm trying to control what I can control. You know that is not one of those things that I can control so for me. It's just leaving up to the professionals at that. And when they say, we can go back and we can start Braxton I'll be there. And the only reason I played. That wasn't Adam feeling okay. Is he said something else Henderson during zoom that had this happened during his rookie year. He Says I. Don't think the NFL because I needed. The rookie minicamp says I needed to show him. I don't know this, but he's from Detroit lakes. Yeah, went to Minnesota. State Mankato for five hundred dollars. Scholarship wanted to play basketball I think but was on play well. Jordan was undrafted yeah. And made it you know regional combine rookie minicamp, and basically found his way onto the practice squad. Because of that so I thought that was interesting, he said had this happened, and we didn't have the rookie minicamp I dunno, it's weird to think about that. I might not have made it to the national football league it. He's one of the NFL's best at this point. I mean. It was interesting because I saw the story in the Strip today about how we're still going with virtual everything. Yes, and so we're E, were we? We got a plan in terms of opening up our offices again, but really we're not asking anybody to come back. So is that also related? I'm talking about office people. Is that also related to what still in place regarding limit on number of people, or is that? Just the Vikings on their own have decided. We're GONNA. Go Slow, because we think it's safer and we're doing fine with the the virtual learning via zoom. I would say because of the state's guidelines. They're following that that'd be my guess, but I don't know and I. Don't know for experiments of J W Mary Right. Now. Our you actually moved back into his house. That's been. That's unconfirmed, got a connected related to that which either get to later today or later in the week because it's a fascinating, it's I I I almost. I'm wondering whether. St Either. spillman stole this Guy's material or this guy's material was stolen. No, this guy stole it from from spill in one or the other I don't know if he. or the are the steelers or the Stele in other NFL news today? Would it be Streuli? Now that's something. Different NFL owners approved new measures that are aimed at improving diversity and coach and front office hiring, but they did stop short of that resolution. We talked about a couple of days ago late last week. Yeah, that would have rewarded minority hiring with a draft pick compensation. We talked about that a little while ago. That one did not pass the owners did. Say That teams will not be required to interview at least two candidates from outside the Organization for any vacant head coaching job in at least one minority candidate from outside the Organization for any vacant offensive defensive or special teams coordinator job. Previously, the Rooney rule had required teams to interview only one minority candidate for head, coach and none for coordinator. They also changed the anti-tampering policy where I'd forgotten this you could, you couldn't block coaches from head coach interviews right could from coordinators that's gone now. I think that's a very good. It's very fair I'm I'm. I'm actually I guess we'd kind of new that and I guess it's the old deal you WanNa. Give teams that developed something a chance for you know continuity, and should have to let as soon as they groom somebody into something. Have a move away, but in all honesty. If you're gonNA give yourself a chance on the minority front especially, but not just that exclusively. I gotta believe you on every other door you got to. Swing it as wide open as you possibly can, and if it's a promotion promotion, it's a promotion period right? Yes, and truthfully. Even if it was, it was a lateral yeah. People should have the abilities to you know haggard jobs agree that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Do you want Horace Grant? Firing back or do you want pizza guy? Firing back I, start with Pizza Pizza Guy. His name is Craig fight apparently, and he worked at the Pizza Hut in Park City Utah where the Bulls were staying for the NBA Finals and is he watched I'm imagining him holding an IPAD watching the last dance documentary doing the Jordan face when it's revealed that Jordan. Had Bad pizza. Night before the flu game. Yeah, he's done the rounds everywhere. I know you listen to the link sent you. He did a interview in Omaha. Nebraska my town Omaha Nebraska, but also joined earlier on the Plus Our guy, Colin Cowherd and heard grilled Colin, asked him series of questions got him to. He grilled him waiting grill. Wanted to set the record straight. Why told you the Omaha things sounded like congressional hearings. We've got a couple of questions guy now. Where were you on? The pizza was made. What were you doing turns out? Craig fight is a bulls fan. Fan So. He says he personally supervised the making of the Pizza, which was thin and crispy as extra pepperoni pizza, thin and crispy at pizza hut is terrific. I can relate to Michael Jordan. I've eaten one of those higher one thin crust. Pepperoni, good, moist, fresh or what? Yes I. It was funny. I have to make the joke is like I need to take care of this just until reminded. I was said I gotTa make the speech I. Don't trust him, you guys. All guests do something pizza. Pizza. So you made a delicious pizza thin crust, then you went over by yourself. No I had a driver which I keep telling he me I cannot remember who the driver is, and hopefully he'll see this or whatever in people to come forward, but come forward. With under subpoena. Take important stuff to look so it's not. Abnormal if you have two people go to deliberate once just to watch the. Process, but let's be honest. We. We went hoping that. Obviously you're going over to the bag I'd be bolts. beat some of the bowls or whatever it was going to happen. He wanted to be Michael Jordan. Of course. He told the Omaha station. That wasn't five people like Tim. Grover said the trainer that delivered the Pizza. The door was the driver and him had to go through security at the hotel obviously bowls. Bowls had a lot of security whether it was local or their own, and he I think was hinting that he felt like it was bad. Cigar smoke lots of cigar smoke, and as Mark Van Zyl. told you maybe the wrong gatorade that led to a, but he said there's no way that my pizza which I supervised the making of the boxing of and the delivery of gave Michael Jordan fully throughout another possibility. That wasn't the only meal Michael Jordan had that day. Was it presumably no, okay so? In, fact, that's what hit me. The night of the special was that it seemed like it was too fast and the food poisoning, because it was pretty quick afterwards and I'm thinking okay well. Maybe it's something earlier today. Could it also possibly just been stomach flu? You can get stomach flu, right and one of the what's one of the worst symptoms of stomach flu, vomiting, vomiting and diarrhea, hydration and dehydration et Cetera so i. only you can I mean. There was obviously a problem with his stomach. And could have been something. I ate earlier. It could have been something that. He ate for breakfast I. Don't know it also just could've been a bug. You got a twenty four hour. Their stomach flu bugs right. then. And so you could viruses. No. Maybe. There's a doctor there who could to distinguish. But how do you know it's food poisoning as opposed to stomach flu when the symptoms are similar and that was, he was also annoy although pepperoni dangerous. Is it pepper? Bad pepperoni tainted. That's that's taken me. You get tainted meat in the mix. You got a problem potentially, and you can get vomiting so. To me if I were Michael, Ida played at savings and I'm just going to go extra cheese. Not, going to put you know I'm not going to be a sausage on. They're not gonNA. Put pepperoni on. They're not gonNA. Put Chicken on there because you add me. Meat is a thing that can be tainted, and then you're asking for trouble, however one of my top medical sources. Salt Lake City obviously there in parks, which is Lovely Park City Utah. Extreme unlikeliness. That cooked at high temperatures like this pizza was. Can Cause Food? Really what if what if the PEPPERONIS? Tainted. That whatever that would be, it would be. It would end up. Being defeated by the oven processes out. He say this source says it's a woman. Okay, says Pepperoni can be bleep, but if it's cooked, it kills just about everything okay. And she has made the Hud crispy, maybe undercooked. The PEPPERONI. He says he didn't why. What's He. GonNa say. Beautiful pizzas. You'RE GONNA fast. What's the? I mean at this point? There's no upside for him saying. Yeah, you know what he's innocent. Silence in fact I, looked underneath Mike I looked at the `fridgerator, and we put a date on the Pepperoni. where it's like shouldn't use it because it's too old and it was the last. Pepperoni we had it was the last piece where Megan Susastro at. Let's go into. How bad can it be just saying this wonder out real quick because I want to leave plenty of time for legends with Lou and DOC emrick coming up here next horace grant joined one of your favorite shows, cap and company on ESPN one thousand. Yeah, grant said it is quote a downright completely lie that he leaves much of the information and. And Sam Smith's famous. The Jordan rules book as Mj alleged in the documentary Li- Li-. Li- if MJ had with me. Let's settle this like men. Let's talk about it or we can settle it another way, but yet, and still he goes out and puts this lie out that I was the source behind book. Salmon is all been great friends Blah Blah Blah Blah. But why would you point me out? He says Michael was the source. Horace doff. What's the Saint Doth protest? Too much I I would say horace. Horace Grant is not that important part of this deal I hate to say. And he was a nice player, and he was the Rodman guy in the for the first three peat. You know a very athletic player. Could score off and rebounded defensively was good, but I you know. My guess is they the the irony. Is I guess they all were sources? My guess is the all were, but I think grandma grant has tended over the course of his career. You go back to when he left the Bulls be a little melodramatic for me I'd say the go horse you're you're. You're going to be fine nobody's. Not, GonNa have any real impact on your life. At this point, we just stay away from twitter for about another three days and it'll be. I, don't know they're they're going to continue to ransom. Thing probably true. It's cages. Birthday by the way is forty four years old. On this day before Joel in two thousand four, he scored a million points at a million rebounds had a great dunk over Weber game of his career and stuff on the line. Wolves advanced of the Western Conference, finding a lot of people didn't know he'd been puking his guts out two hours before the game and had to be. Had the to connect them to an IV drip because he had a bad ramble from the panic, whose possible can't rule that out at all legends with Louise that what's coming up next it is. Doc emrick is our gas the the hall of fame series with Louis continues. Please stay tuned for. The Fan. Who? Well she sneaks. World Anti. Down I. down there. Nanny. Well he's properly and legally socially distance. We haven't seen studio as seen. Louis in studio for quite some time, so get him on the phone. He's brought to you by NFP insurance. The legends with Louis, series, as we say hi to Louis. Continues with another legend. THAT'S WHY WE CALL LEGENDS WITH LOUIS IN CONSENT. On consecutive weeks. It's been Bowman Schader Sinden Esposito, and now doc emrick kind enough to join us on the White Clinic and Cataract Hotline Doc. Welcome back to the show. We much appreciate your time. Say Hi to your Guy Lou Nanny. Well after four guys on the Mount Rushmore mocking. Selling tickets to see. And then you'd have the vote that. Do this. Those guys. How are you? DOING DOC! Nice to hear from you. You're just. As I said so many times. It's a pleasure hours to talk with you, and it's certainly a pleasure to listen to you. You know I got the good fortune of working over the years with the best. Hockey Broadcasters Danny Alvin. Dan Kelly Al Shaver. Goal I never and I. I was hoping you were going to come and work the State Tournament One I on with you, but I've never worked with you at the stake tournament, or and then each game. That's one thing in life that I miss. Well a lot of times we were in the same building together, but you have more capacity than. You were in charge of a team or or something like that. I remember time with Bill Clement. And you and I toured the mets sportscenter. And you were talking about your team and you were all also talking about lucky seat. At that time you were a little more superstation than you are now and how you, maybe in the middle of sitting in a seat, the north stars with score a goal, and so you would remain in that position. Oh yeah, not only remain in the seat I've had died when I've had to hold onto a death from the first period right through the third period, and my arms numb by the end of the game because I. Question for now when the North Stars would go to Chicago. You guys ever say at the Drake Hotel. Yes, we did. In fact. We were the first team I got him to stay Drake Hotel. We were the first team in NHL to do that, and that's why they used to treat me so well, and I actually had one of our sons. Bridal groups dinner at the Drake Hotel? Well. Here's my question I there are only ten stories in the Drake Hotel. So how did you get a room? Twenty three drake over? Twenty this sweet and I put a three on it there you go. Well I will say good if you probably because you're. If you're at game, you're generally working them. There is nothing like watching a hockey game from the Lou Nanny, sweet or set asseets that he happens to be at. That is a Y- you at some point you stop watching the game and you just start watching Louise reaction to the game. There is nothing like it. He is frenetic. Never stops never stops. Talking. A frankly never stopped swearing. It's an outstanding ensemble of auditory. You know enjoyment. I'll bet it is in forty seven years of my being professional hockey. He is the only person I know. who was a season ticket holder for eighteen before he played for the team? That's right. That's a great point. Actually. I was a bigger because I was playing with the Olympic team and I don't want to turn pro right then. I bought tickets to the North Stars in their first year and I. used to do the post game show the scoreboard show for the North Stars on TV, and then I joined them after the Olympic Games. Rover that year. I remember when they when when the flyers. Passing flyers in for a couple of sequences like with the devils I couldn't hold his job and so I was coming with the flyers, and this was at a time when norm green had the had the north stars before the name changed, the stars eventually moved to Dallas. They were they were have auctioning They were having raffles. And our and the players would would buy raffle tickets because the prizes were so big. And so and so we would have to hold the tickets for the players, and they would by huge amounts of these of these, and sometimes they would win the flyers players never won, but there were occasions where visiting players would actually win these things and they at the met sportscenter. Anyway. That's all part of wild history about getting back in the days, and they were fun times, and that's part of the reason that I was looking forward to coming on as Digest. Have a few laughs. Out those times. Do you know that coming up on Friday? is a legendary birthday in Minnesota Hockey History John. Message have another birthday on Friday. That's right. Mariuchi just said when I think it was. Yeah. Those are always great milestone birthday Saab because. They should have lots of candles and lots of people saying happy. That's for sure I got a chance to meet John a few years ago NBC got together. five guys from the nineteen sixty team in squad valley. And we sat around a round table in squaw, valley in the very building, where all of the all of the teams nineteen sixty would come to have lunch, and it was the it was the commissary for all of the athletes and all of the sports. And of all places that's where they had us. Meet and it was. Never Forget. They told me that on the first day that they arrived, they got seven to one dollar bills. That was their allowance for the entire Olympics. Wow at the dollar day dollar day. Things have changed a little. Back after the gold medal. Well, it turned out. They got the gold medals on the on the day that they defeated the checks on that. Sunday morning and he had to be back at work at the station on Monday, so they got out that day I mean there was no basking in glory after they become the gold medal winners in nineteen, sixty had to be back at the station the next day God. Bless him were. Wonderful to have met. Those guys into have had time with them. Because I was fourteen years old at the time, and I got a rare bit of hockey on television, we. We were getting NHL Games on Saturday afternoons. in in nineteen sixty on CBS and we also got some of that last game guns for checks and black and white TV. Yes and it was pretty snowy where I was. Because why I remember watching him? It was different DOC. Emrick is our guest on legends with Louis Doc. Let me ask you something that I don't think I. Asked you last time we had on if I did forgive me, because my memory's not very good as a as a Gary, Indiana boy, which is where I am from originally I'm reminded that you were born in Lafontaine Indiana. where I'm embarrassed to say I don't know where Lafontaine Indiana is what the world doesn't. It's about eighty miles south of US south and a little bit these. If you were to take a Indianapolis is dead center this thing so if you were to go halfway North Bergen border and put a dot right in the middle of that area. That's that's why you'd find it if you ever seen the movie hoosiers. Yes, that would be the era in which I was the nineteen fifties we had a town about. About the size of of the the one that was portrayed in the movie, our population was six hundred, twenty seven in the nineteen fifty cents is we had a gym that was very much like that. We had a stage at one end where the ban would play and watch the game and a wall at the other end of the trophy case not too far away, and there were thirteen celebrities in town the twelve. Players and the coach and The revolved around the basketball team. That was our Erin. That's what it was like. And it was rural, Indiana and it was wonderful, and my life didn't change really much in terms of what I wanted to do for a living until I saw the Fort Wayne. Comets Muskegon Zephyr Jeffers one night in Fort Wayne Indiana and a guy that I think you've heard of. Louis. Kahn not again played for Fort Wayne and got in a fight. Two seconds left in sudden death overtime with the player coach for Muskegon named Moose. Lallo and I was hooked on hockey from that moment on yeah. Mad Madigan quite a reputation, quite a career and he ended up with the blues. The enough you finding made the NHL. Oldest rookie ever to be in the NHL At thirty eight, he, May. Still here for on every once in a while, he lives out in Portland Oregon. Well, you know you anticipated my question I. I love the way you you lay out. When hockey got in your blood to that point, would you classify yourself is a basketball guy who suddenly had an epiphany, or or what were you up until that that particular game that seemed to change everything for baseball. I still love baseball, but I wanted to be a baseball announcer up until man, just because that was what we had a as our only exposure. We didn't really have an exposure to hockey. We couldn't get hockey games on television except. Until Nineteen, sixty! Exposure we got from the Olympics in a little bit of that hotel, but when the comments came to Fort Lane which was an hour away I started badgering my parents to take my brother, and made it a game, and finally when I was fourteen day relented, and that that was the moment, but until that time it was baseball I still love baseball I. Still Am a Pittsburgh Pirate Fan, and I have is one of my ambitions and. Michael has said whenever I get the town I'm hoping for a wild playoff series sometime when the saints are playing. Novak has said you can walk all the pig out to deliver the ball. Player. whatever that time comes so I'm looking forward to meeting him because I did meet his father once upon a time and I enjoyed that conversation a lot and I'm sure I would enjoy one with Michael that we've had Mike in Studio many times he is, he is rich with stories, and you would absolutely I think love spending time with them, so I hope that indeed happens regarding. I don't know if you even believe you have a an announcing style. You know different people have different opinions on whether they're that self conscious, but in terms of the voices you heard as this became something you're interested in that resonated with your. You believe influenced you before you became you. Are there specific names that come to mind. Well I really didn't have exposure to a lot of. Tastes guy in Fort Wayne new broadcast Games there until he was forty years old. Did Not pass away until this three years ago. Was Probably the main mentor in my life professionally. In announcing as he was you know I think and probably I've asked coaches this NHL Coaches when they first start coaching, and they will talk about being a hybrid of the guys that they played for. when they develop a coaching style and I think that's true with announcers, too. So I think in the early years I was probably a hybrid of his style, and maybe Danny Galvin's and gene heart Philadelphia because they were, they were guys that I that I met and guys that I listen to and admired when I was the American League as an announcer in the late nineteen seventies. On our team in Maine was a guy named Terry. Burry later went on to coach in the NHL plan the NHL, but we would sit in front and behind one another on the bus. We would always talk about Danny Gallivan and how much we enjoyed. And when they may, mariners would go to Nova Scotia to play. We would play Friday Sunday because he never went up against hockey night in Canada and we would always hope that in Nova Scotia. We would get a Canadian game on Saturday, so we could hear Danny. Call the game and and a Lotta Times that we did, and so there would be these famous calls that we would joke about the next day like and the Puck Eddie Johnstone left it behind necessity for scoring most. Robinson, sue centered a napier. Who will marry? Pass you sister in June. And on that matrimonial note, the Canadians a lot arrive at the North Stars Law. Well tell you this damn guy. Just marvelous tremendous ain't ethnic kind of thing in. Isn't that great? I think we all have. And those were some of them are Louis. You're about to say? Yeah I I gotTa tell you this because this is something that people. Maybe don't think about, but what what? He's just talking about and his style, and and he's won every award. There is in fact I don't know how many years are always one of the best sportscaster in America, not just for hockey for any sport. But he broadcast the game so that anybody can understand it, and that's what I. Just treasure and I tell young broadcasters when they're when they're trying to broadcast the game. Don't try and seem like you're smarter than everybody else do DOC Emrick? Does he still even use the word hoist? He doesn't try to be so technical that you don't understand and the D. and F. Two men, and they have three I he tells it like you see it, and you understand it, and you just love it and this guy. I mean I can't tell you how much I enjoy. Listening to him broadcast the game. He just makes it pleasurable. Now matter what the score. No matter. What the team! Thanks so much. I just I'm just glad. I get in free. And that's what I. That was the first thing that appeal to me. I was just going to cry. Board Boxes S. so many of us right now are doing because we don't have a lot of else to do, so we're going through cardboard boxes. I found my original IHL passed me from the past which got me and free to any arena in the league, while was still a college guy, nineteen, sixty eight sixty nine season before then I buy it. And go sit in an empty section and do the Games on a tape recorder to myself. When I got that pass I no longer had to pay. And I. have it and it's a treasure, but. It's still a great thing for me because I. Don't have to pay you get a good seat for the game and later on in life I discovered you get something twice a month in the mail. That's standing. Let's get a break in I got a couple. I WANNA get back your announcing your approach because there's something in particular. The I love. Louis touched on solve it, but there's another element of that. I WANNA talk about. We'll get to a couple of other things. Doc emrick kind enough to join us on our legend's with Louis. Series will continue with both of them after a very brief pause, she van. LEGENDS WITH LOUIS BROUGHT TO YOU BY NFP insurance. DOC EMRICK is indeed back with us. He is our featured guest this week. We were talking about your style in your approach. And I thought you raise a really good point that I think for a lot of people whatever the business. They if they borrow for other people are influenced early, and they're probably a combination of several those individuals, and then if you're good and great like you are what you're doing, you eventually you just you just become yourself and it evolves I. Like you and I hope you take this as a compliment on another way to the Lakers longtime announcer chick hearn in that. I could listen to either of you doing a game. Not even necessarily paying attention to what was going on the game or what you were saying as much as the rhythm with which you speak, it's it's pleasing its melodious. It just has a a pace to it that I find as much fun as any other part of what you do. Is that something you're aware of again? Is that just something that just you believe has has happened. I guess it's just happened. It's very kind of you to say and they put me in the same sentence with your current I. I don't Do much evaluating of of what I think about my work. I leave that up to other people I I just try to improve and do the best I can. Lose thinking of things that you can do differently or how you would do something differently. I've had a chance to examine that and all of these replays of games that are anywhere from two to twelve years old. Seeing it is fun to kind of look at the lineups and challenge yourself with whether you remember who wore fifty five for the penguins and two thousand nine, and and you know things like that, but but it. I guess I I'm not conscious of that, but it's it's so kind of you to say those things, and also put me in the same sentence with check because he was wonderful to listen to, and they was so associated with those great team. No doubt in terms of you're you mentioned you? You've been able to watch a lot of games. Do you like listening to yourself? Because as you know the some there, many great actors who absolutely? CanNot, they can't handle it. They do not want to go back because they always find something that. They said they could have done better even if their. Oscar worthy. How are you in that regard? It's not like you don't like listening to yourself, but you find yourself. Not For example. If I were going to listen to a baseball game. I would enjoy whoever it was. That was doing it. Particularly 'cause I'm I'm partial event whenever he does a network game, then scholars how the game but anyone who would be doing a game. Enjoy the game, but if it was one of Mommy I would start. By listening to the game and following it that way, and then I start self criticizing so from that standpoint. If it's myself doing a game, I would be self critical. In eventually I would lose my concentration on the enjoyment of the game and would veer off that way, but. That's just me I don't know if everybody's that way, but maybe they are. Maybe that's just a normal reaction, but it doesn't you know sometimes I really wanted to enjoy the game and it was one of Mine I. Just turn the sound down. Could Watch the action and you can watch. HOW FAST THE GAME! And all of that, but I don't like my old games. It's just that I find myself not concentrating on how good the game was up. How does one do play by play on water polo as you did? I think a couple of different times during the Olympics correct. Yeah, it's just like hockey. They they called and said we needed somebody for water polo and I guess they figured it was a main dirty game with goaltenders a net. So it made a lot of so so they they do, and it's. It's an awful lot the same. There's a little more scoring in it, though not a lot more there's a little more scoring in it than there is in hockey and much of the Fowler takes places, invisible and so as a result it. It's a little more confusing with all the whistles everything, but you admire the people. People who can play it because you, you get one chance at the net. Maybe maybe get a follow up shot. That's about it, and then you have to go all the way to the van, and it takes a little while for another setup, so you've got maybe twenty seconds to fill a while they swim to the other and gather set up for another chance, so you don't have that very quick transition. It's quick for water polo, but it's not quick compared to hockey where you can go from one end of the other so fast. You know you mentioned that you have a lot of time on your hands like a lot of people during this covid nineteen winter. No one knows exactly when stuff's going to come together. We don't have to necessarily go too far down that road but I am curious. What this period has been like for you, I mean you mentioned one thing that you've done? You had a chance to go through some boxes and maybe clear some stuff out and and relive some memories. How else have you sort of filled the covid nineteen winter that we are all dealing with? Well a writer named Kevin Allen whom. You've probably heard. Hockey for USA Today for thirty four years. I started on a project which he had to do the heavy lifting on its writing. An autobiographical book and one that has a lot to do with hockey that will be coming out in the fall. and we had a deadline of March thirty first My last game was the eleventh of March in Chicago with San Jose and then the league went on pause the next day, so I immediately shifted gears into the closing stretches of making the deadline Kevin as I said had the heavy lifting to. To do but I had some things to do to make that so that he could finish it off on the by the thirty first then We got the phone call on the second of April saying we had to rewrite the first chapter so There was a little bit of to be still in April also I've done ten features for NBC to to put on their twitter account. As in the case with two or three of them are, there was one on Mother's Day that was on. There's one coming up. That will run on Memorial Day this this weekend. It'll be the Saturday as a matter of fact Saturday on NBC and I can do shameless plug slowly the T. J.. Oh, she shootout against Bob Rossi in the Olympics. Rumbling now there's to be the replay this Saturday on NBC and the Memorial. Day featured working on with editor name. Shown during that time on Saturday so. Anyone who remember where they were that morning back here and it was, it was an evening game back in can in so cheesy when TJ. Oh, she had the marathon. Go back out there. You're doing great this another one. That that is the one that's going to be played later on this week. If you were not been doing I, think this will be the tenth one of those that I that I've been working on. They haven't stood up and said that We want you to do these, but. It was something that I. Like to do, and I was doing twenty five or so years ago when I worked for the flyers and I I enjoy doing things like that, so it just sort of naturally came together, and I don't know what What would be next after this but I'm selling your. a couple of these features that of air have been the date in history and one of those ones the date, when they nor stearns became the very first team to defeat and original sixteen and a playoff game and number twenty three had the winning goal in a route of the Montreal Canadians at the forum in Montreal. Remember that. It was quite around, too. I mean I think it was sixty two sixty three Danny Iran had three assists in the game and the One of the more Productive Lines Jack Gordon had in that magical season was Derwin and Torrisi and Goldsworthy. Who Do you remember who your line makes where that year? Back, year was. Trying Burns and Murray Oliver then the next The next year was apprentice myself And that. Yeah, we had the the big year. All three of has got over twenty goals. Yeah. You had twenty one right yeah I. Twenty. One Dino had twenty and Maria had twenty five. Wow. Good teams. Those were good teams and to get the Montreal twice net series right? Yeah, we did in fact in and the six game, which was at the met. Teddy Hanssen scored with six one hundreds of a second after the light came on to tie the game, or we might have been going to a game seven in Montreal. Yeah you need it video replay back. We would have made it. Yeah, well, you know that. I used to I used to go down and tell me. When I was general manager and we'd get these goal. Judges One night in Boston. The puck was in an AETNA and the goal judge in turn it on I, went down at the end of the period. I'm giving them hell as I'm. Walking towards me, says went in. I did of course it went in and he says well. I didn't know I said well. If you don't know you, turn the light on. That's the Louis. Yeah No! That's that's for sure. Dr If you had. A. A PhD got a PhD longtime ago and communications. Have you ever thought and maybe with all this extra time we'll even use. It sounds like you've stayed reasonably busy. Have you ever thought what you might have been? If your career track had gone the way it has as A. Really the voice of Hockey. I've been a college teacher I actually Was that Bowling Green working on? Teaching some college courses there, which is what you do to earn free tuition. And it looked like nothing was going to happen. Beyond that I kept I had for several set at times I sent out these tapes, and and that's what we did back. Then we snail mail them and envelopes that had probably been sold at A. Handy because you've got an envelope salesman for a while right right right? Okay! Well Anyway, I would send these tapes out and get these nice rejection letters, which I say I still have been feeling binder there and After my two years of coursework at Bowling Green and I sent all the tapes out again. Various Minor League teams and one in port. Huron Michigan called and said why don't you come up and talk about it? For a hundred and sixty dollars a week I became a professional hockey announcer that was forty seven years ago, but it looked as though I was really preparing myself for life as a career college teacher and Paul. Walter lost at the small college where I was teaching. When I decided to go for the doctorate, I could make six hundred dollars more a year with a PhD then I could with a master's so there wasn't motivation to go and get the doctor degree. 'CAUSE TAYMOR money a year if I add it. Hands? That's where DOT coms from correct. Yeah, that's it. It's not a very creative nickname. But once I had the degree. It was sort of a nickname that stuck now. No doubt Louis any final thoughts we've got I. GOTTA ask Him. You know as he. Pointed out, he's worked for a number teams throughout, and of course he's he's broadcast all the games for the networks, but having a close relationship with the flyers New Jersey, also living in Detroit dock and working with you know Eddie so often which ICAGO you gotta tell me. Is there one team that you really cheer for in Your Heart? If you would you be a fan of it'd be Pittsburgh. No I don't have an NHL team, but I am a fan of the Fort Wayne comments to this day and into their hall of fame on March the seven. And you never forget that because all of those guys are out on the ice that. That are are common hall of fame, members, who either coached or administered or trainers, or were players, and here they are taking your any. What's your group with their group because you're a fan? And, so all I, told the assembled multitude that night is I'm going to try to hold up my end of the bargain for all of you. Who are fans because that's all I am, and I still am. That's the one team. Cheer for I chair. Because you're bound to really liked some more than others, but in terms of cheering for one team. You can't like yourself do that. You just really. In terms of the guys that you work with in the NHL. Grid Way Child for I in scars. You know that they're all such great people. Good citizens. I just spoke yesterday with on a conference call with the new Seattle Franchise and Can you believe that they were one of the first? That were hit hard by the pandemic, and they went out, and they donated one billion dollars, eight, hundred thousand of which was in grocery vouchers, so that the people that were hardest hit by the pandemic and lost their jobs. Could at least go to the Safeway store and buy food well good on them, but that just shows the citizenship of hockey and the hockey family, and it would have happened the same way in any city, but because they got hit the hardest, and they got hit hard fast. They haven't even played their first game and woke for seventeen months yet, but there they are right on the front line. Doing what hockey people have done. Done all through the years and I'm so proud to be associated with the sport and so thrilled to be talking to people in Minnesota and to get a chance over over the phone to talk to you Dan. WHO's your guy? What high school well and actually went to High School in Illinois. Family moved from Gary to the North West suburbs, and then I went on Indiana University, but gear I still got Gary Indiana. Okay and and it's always good to get back and connect again with you back back in those days watching you play as a North Star, I still have a replica, nor started. Here's he from nineteen sixty nine. Thank, you well I'm GONNA. Miss you know two weeks from today is June second. Wish Batman me. Happy Birthday I'm GonNa Miss. Yeah well. Look pretty good for only forty cents amazing, isn't it? One last thing as you mentioned, there are people have much worse problems than you and I in terms of the jobs that we do. But how much are you itching to just getting back to calling a game? How much do you missed? It will be a lot of fun and and I must I must. Tell. You that I'm I'm only itching to get back as long as and I feel that the League in the Players Association. They're going to be together on this as long as things are safe, I realized there'll be at least a percentage element of risk to this once. Everybody is backing and organized and play. Because until we get a vaccine, it's not perfect. But at least until it, there's a there's consistent safety so that we don't have to be worried about the athletes, coaches or the people involved and that I am here that the Players Association and the League is going to be together on and so I'm not an anxious about rushing into anything until we are absolutely ready to go. Yeah I miss the sport, and I missed the people around it, but nights like this helped me a lot well. You've been very kind with in this extended visit. We really appreciate it I. Know That means everything Louis as well and be safe. Be well will hopefully cut touch base down the line. Thanks for the extended time DOC. Okay thank you. It's great talking to you. Thank God. We learn John. Message and on June, the second happy birthday, sweet losing to sue. Thanks. Looking for your book. Okay thank you, thank you Louis Great did it again. We got who lined up for next week it each week. It gets each week. All you do is add more pressure to your to your own. Hot Streak I. Mean it's it can end now. Well, I won't let it end. We'll figure if you WANNA dance thinking. Oh, no, we're all right them. I'll try bobby. Orr doesn't really like to do a lot. But I'll see if he'll come on. What about Gretzky well him to ice I gotTA. Tell you the truth. The reason why I don't go after those two every time I've ever asked him to do something. They've done it right and I hate when I'm not seeing them. We're talking. Diamond and calling up and asking him to do a favor. You know like Bobby. Orr I. Tell you started when we had the Olympic tournaments golf tournament, and then, and then we went to Cape Cod, and it was Olympic team, just having a reunion back about six years ago, and we get there at seven o'clock in the morning and one of the guys Louis we're at. At the Ridge Golf course lives right across the street I said no, Bobby are Oh, Jeez I said. I wish you wouldn't so really I go call them and play with us, but I didn't feel like doing it, so we we go and play in the comer on the fourteen tool and they're sitting on the hill. Is this cart where the guy with his legs crossing? And the Gulf back there and it's bobby. I come up with day now calls me. Anytime you call i. do something for you and your your in my neighborhood and you need them. Call me to play golf. Nicest Bobby? It's seven o'clock in the morning. I wasn't gonNA. Wake up, what? Loud, you could have done that GonNa play with he played with the rest of the way, and so I I he. You know imposing because it always seems like I'm asking. If I could do something for them. Then I feel better, but I've done things in the past I guess. There's some other ideas out there percolating. We'll yourself I'm. Sure. There's others, but you're on. The clock is I'm going to say your data base for next Tuesday. I'm just telling you that's. Great stuff as always, thank you. Louis much appreciate it. Louis brought to you by NFP insurance I was a lot of fun with broadcast. On still looking for. Johnny Flynn Smile I started the show. With. That being my great lament, the thing I missed more than anything during the COVID nineteen winter. and IT'S A. In my mind's eye, I remember a specific photo. That, I thought capture Johnny Flint Smile. Better than any other and I can no longer find that photo I don't know what it may have been scrubbed. Number mayors have sent me. Photos of Johnny. Flynn, smiling I dunno sure, but I don't think they're the right ones. They're just not hitting me the same way, so we'll keep the search going. It's gotta be out there somewhere, even though I can't describe. What he was wearing whether it was in uniform was in a suit. Whether, you had a headband on. He was still a college player. Not I just feel like when I see it, I'll know it. And unfortunately I just have not been able to To see it quite yet, Johnny Flynn Smile. Are you sure you weren't looking for Steph Curry Smile? I think a lot of wolves. Fans are still looking for steph curry smile. Do you have a great smile? It's well. It's not as good as Johnny Flint Smiles Guy Greater wattage I think than Steph Curry's for whatever that's worth mean, but I've seen him smile a championship podium, a couple of yeah, that's different kinds of. Different kinds a different kind of smile. You could say that's for for sure. I got a few doctors suggesting that food poisoning. Doesn't usually come on as quickly as what Michael is alleging. I'm I. You know like with masks. There's not unanimity I'm getting emails from people wanting to remind you and me frankly. That Michael Ulster home. Continues to insist that masks don't do much And for people who've you whatever he says as Gospel? What they say is, we can't have it both ways. When it got. Is It only Gospel when you WanNa? Believe or is Gospel? Why is it a gospel? In this particular case, should have asked Emmerick thinks about mass. Probably, that's true could have given us. An answer would have sounded. Says even if he did it entire game wearing a mask, each still sound melodious, it would cut through a melody to his voice, similar as I, said chick hearn, that is just pleasing to the ear, then even matter what's happening in the game, even matter fees. Aptly describing and it's just it's a rhythm. That is that the I think the best announcers have and. Hockey and basketball are more made for that rhythm than baseball, obviously, because the action is not as continuous in baseball, as it can be an in basketball and hockey. What strikes me when I listened to him? He's easy to listen to obviously absolutely, but the game is so fast yet. It doesn't feel fast when he's describing. You know what I mean. His pace is steady. But it doesn't feel like he's rushing through now. When if anybody else tried to does feel like you're rushing. Because hockey is such a quick game as he mentioned. That I! Don't know how he does it how he's. I mean he does because he's just on top of everything, especially because his style is, he doesn't. He pretty much describes everything. Yes, like in a lot of rain and a lot of hockey people. Don't you know there's no rule that says there are some who just sort of let the game come to them, and they don't. They don't necessarily because cause on TV feel the need to describe every pass being completed from you know from from from the defense side into the into the I, was gonNA. Say Front Court, but that's because I'm a basketball. Yeah, you're the ambassador. Even the embassador is exactly it so He's. He's good. There's no other explanation. It's the old deal again of that. You can't really quantify you just It's like Johnny Flynn. Smile, you know any here. In this case you know when you hear and Johnny's case, it's you know when you see it right. do take comparison comparisons kindly as the chick hearn one that his voice and paces to. Johnny Flynn Smile no I think I know I felt better about the chick. hearn and algae might not again. And again well I probably does know who it is, because he he encyclopedic true in his knowledge but Check her and just was again. Just just a master that you there are people who turn. A Lakers game I didn't care about the Lakers, just because they like the way he broadcast a game and I I like I said I I may be the hockey ambassador to be a huge hockey fan to say no. There's something very pleasing about the way he goes about his business so we got that that brought certainly a smile on her face, and and if we can find the Johnny Flynn photo at some point, I'm going to work on that all week and make it my My mission a Barnes and noble source tells me. That there is? There are rumors. That they might open early June. Oh! Somebody from Fan Kato insists that the the Barnes and noble there is open. Already has opened. I can't confirm tonight. I haven't checked online and probably be a place to check. Two reasons to go back to Mankato. Insomnia cookies. And No. That's true. That day could be like free taking tomorrow off, but there wasn't really with that intent, plus are you allowed? That's not an essential trip, so my law to make that trip. Is that illegal I would say reading is essential damn well. Reading should be essential driving demand Kato. What if I'm a spreader? Will wear your mask. And that's true. Enough. For curbside pickup. There is to go in if it's open. Yeah, well, you're in a pickle. Things. You GotTa to do tomorrow anyway. I don't think that's I. Don't think I. Don't think it's GonNa. Go over big if I go. Hey, guys mind if I get in the car and head down to main Kato to hang out at the Barnes and noble and to get some warm oatmeal raisin cookies from insomnia cookies. Well. The next thing you should say I'll bring you back some cookies. I'm not sure that would be enough. It's a start. But I'm not sure we indeed be enough Lee Miller Jim. I'm not a huge hockey fan, but the legends would Louis has been outstanding love everyone of them. Keep up the good work. Well, that's the question. Can we keep it up? Because what you? Part of the challenge with the legends with Louis Series. Is. You can get legendary names, but in some cases legendary Dank names don't necessarily translate to good interviews, right or legendary interviews. To that point with the five. We've had so far. They've all been good interviews. As, you've been all good and so that's the question is You don't want to be disappointed by greatness. Not necessarily because the player themselves wasn't great, or the coach wasn't great, but that's just. That's just not their thing. They're not into doing interviews or they don't do very many anymore, and they're just kind of bored with it. None of the people we've had on. have been anything, but completely committed and motivated to the which is what we appreciate. Lewis hundred percents why we'll I trust trust is judgment on whoever he comes up. I agree with, but I could sense. He felt the pressure for the first time a little bit in his voice time I think he's feeling it. He hasn't felt that anxious since he run in the North Stars. I'm pretty sure they probably right about that. Well. Maybe what I'm going to tell, suggest to him is it doesn't have to be a hockey legend. He knows people in. That we can widen walk of life, absolutely white got somebody else in mind in a different walk of life. Now that could join. What about who's the singer the crooner? Michael Boo Blah Blah. Interview be big time. Be, outstanding. Got Nothing to do right now. I mean he's probably doing zoom concerts. Credit card companies. So yeah, we gotta think more global. Then just the hockey community as good as part of it's been 'cause he's connected. You know he's been connected to. So many people dorothy hamill that are. A Dorothy, Hamill story wants wonder if you remember yeah. The Olympics at some point, yeah I thought it was Dorothy. Hamill might have been. Get his brain. We'll bring them a little bit. We'll come back with the show rap and remind you what else you missed earlier in this controversial edition of the Fan. It's the bumper to bumper show rap. Thank three guests today Marc Vance joins us at about four o'clock. Longtime Michael Jordan biographer one last look back at. The, last dance and I think. The vanson conclusion on the break up of the team. Is that it's not as nefarious. People would like to think that it's not necessarily crosses fall. Might, be a little bit of Ryan's doors, fault, but that it was inevitable that it was going to be too hard to put back together, and that maybe deep down, Michael, Jordan. was ready to pull the plug even if he didn't particularly presents himself that way vassal on that and his own recollections about a game seven. That's GonNa, be replayed tonight. They tell me on Fox sports north. The nineteen eighty seven world series game seven Frankie Sweet, music viola on the mound, twins, knocking off the WHO would beat their as the cardinals at your was Louis. Louis Cardinals St Louis Cardinals. And Vassal covered that series covered that twins team for my newspaper at the time as well the star being so good stuff from him on that as well well I wanNA, thank Louis, and his special guest again on the legends with Louis Series Doc Emrick more hall of fame immortality. Good stories, good background on how to be Holly. A Northern Indiana. Kid. With, absolutely no built in connections to hockey fell in love. With the game of hockey after he went to game in Fort Wayne. Indiana as well good stuff there assuming that'll be part of either conversations or the best of. Deceiving or both? A fan and a man is the schedule tonight. Right? Video Games weekly will follow is what is the is Tuesday night Tuesday night, we also talked about my search for what I really administering the Cova. Nineteen winner Johnny Flint Smile. Kevin yet found the photo that I think captures it brilliantly, although number people have tried to send facsimiles and just. Substitution just ain't gonNA work. You'll know you see I. Think I. will I I'm GonNa make it. my quest throughout the rest of this week. We also talked a little bit about The covid nineteen winter controversy, as it pertains to particularly the nursing home policy in the great state of New York and how it has. Contributed mightily according to experts there. On both sides of the political aisle to the the high death rate at nursing homes as well and A. Bit of a caution tone the host of this program that. It's further evidence that. Just, because you win the press conference to the degree that Governor Cuomo has does not in a way that the guy at the White House can't that it's not necessarily it doesn't necessarily mean that the person speaking is doing the job well or shouldn't be challenged on some significant issues as well. You even go back as much talk as their been. There's been about rhetoric and conflicting rhetoric. There was a lot of bad rhetoric coming out of New York. That underplayed. The crisis. And you could say well. They didn't have enough information to overplay it yet, but underplayed it at a time where others in the country were taking it a little bit more seriously when it changed, it flipped their too big way, but the fact is, that was an issue there as well and We should be willing to. Occasionally point that out of the story, even if somebody's really good at giving press conferences and he's really good at giving press conferences. There's no doubt about that part of the equation. I'M GONNA. Take tomorrow off, not probably go to fan. Kato Excuse me. Just try to it I call it a maintenance day in the business loan. Man is a little bit because none of us are really taking much of our vacation time because there's nowhere to go to right at least so far, But. Every once in a while throw in a day and I kind of like a splitting up the day by the way next Monday best of is that right for Memorial Day Monday that is correct. Yes, that's done deal to. Also next week, we will have Rod Karoo on the show New Book New Book. That's out of last week. That's outstanding. COULD BE LEGENDS WITH LOUIS WITHOUT LOUIS. You're right. That would be, says the bumper to bumper conversation any anything percolating for tomorrow yet. Are you still working I can't say? That's nothing that dramatic, but could be. Controversy could be wealthy. Mar I think we get all of the new guidelines for how things are supposed to open on June first I'm sure there's going to. Tomorrow's that day. Tomorrow's be a key David. Have a turn the dial. Three to four good luck on that. What Times the Governor speaking? To. Okay. I'll find out tomorrow, but I'm hoping it's to because that'd be a nice way to open the show, or it's four years. Run Alive, and then bounce off of it as well. That's true all right good enough. You'll be in charge tomorrow. I will be back on Thursday and enjoy the rest of your evening. Guards you with you tomorrow beginning at three o'clock.

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