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And if you liked this episode FT politics, the why not subscribe, all the usual China's to receive it every Sunday morning, all you can even leave us a nice review on I tunes. So after weeks months even years of speculation the ice finally this week on Monday morning, the gang of seven LeBron Pete's walked into a robber small loom on London. Southbound to announce they've acquitting the party and forming the independent group they were. Then soon followed by eighth colleague Joan vine and then on Wednesday three you consider join them to make the independent group, a truly cross party centers endeavor. So is this the beginning of a major political realignment in bitter or just a splinter that was always going to happen. Low Hughes, let's begin with Monday and that press conference. So I can't really think when the speculation began about labor MP's breaking away. I guess not long after jomie Corbyn won his second leadership contest. But no one really knew exactly when it was going to happen. And some people thought it might happen on Valentine's Day and might happen. Last Friday it might happen over the weekend and on Monday. It did finally happened. We've been talking about this film, est years. I would say we've known that there's been huge to sausage faction among number of labor impedes who have never come to tens with Jeremy Kuban as leader. We've also pile along with that seen lots of cases of antisemitism in the labor party criticism over Jeremy Kuban has handled it and then separate to that. We all. Also had seen a number of layer MP's uncomfortable with the party's position on Brexit. So what happened is all three of those things seem to have come together. At this one point interesting timing to do it off time week when a lot of of move senior political journalists were way of MP's were actually on holiday. It wasn't recess this week. But it was a one line website. What many MP's around interesting, timing and the way that they did it as well. It was very cool naked. There weren't really many leagues. There was an extraordinary moment on Monday when we will by Email saying there was going to be this press conference and room with swelling. But it did make huge impact when it did actually happen at nobody really knew who was going to go foam, the labor party. And I guess one of the interesting things was that it was seven MP's not more than that. Because there had been talk of almost thirty MP's cuisine, the labor party, which may still happen in the weeks and months ahead. But the group of foot was even formed the reports of it descending into arguments and bickering about. Who was going to who would be allowed him. What would it look like? But those seven who went down. I guess the key figures were AMT shuker mono- who is the MP for streto. A long-term was vote campaign, Chris Leslie MP from Nottingham east to again is being very anti Jeremy Corbyn, but crucially Luciana Birger the MP for Liverpool way between I think she was the person that made this more than just a in cry against Labour's Brexit policy because she opened the press conference. She gave a very powerful speech talking about how she being bullied and treated by the party, and how the leadership hand done anything about it. Yeah. I think she did add real wait to and you're right. He made the group feel as if it was more than just Brexit, and it was predictable for trigger minutes ago. We sort of knew he's been unhappy checked out mentally a long time ago. I think a lot of 'em PISA checked out mentally a time ago, but particularly him and he's been so vocal that a lot of people probably have already had of him at least Yanna. Has been really powerful in the Commons. Every time. She stood up and spoken about anti semitism. She's well liked in the party. It looks less Brexit politically motivated hubbing. They're not platform. I thought it would calculating in a way that perhaps some sort of hotline Kubanychbay might say that chicken, Chris Leslie have been sound strange decisions political agenda, but this really came from. This is something she really believes in and she did give the group, but of white, and then there was someone pays the I'm much public. Haven't heard of. But who have quietly been unhappy for very long time, Andrew Smith thing one of them. And it's interesting. I think the crucial thing hairs who joins them. I am batching now would have been calm sations going on of quite long time as to who might go. It was interesting that safety people really did know who's going to enter the fray on actual Mary craze is one labor impeach for example. I can think of a whole host of MP's that have mentally checked out from labor because. Don't like Jeremy Kuban who would have been asked to join her probably thought about it. And it's still thinking about it now James bliss, what'd you most pulled off the camera lens the moment on the independent group because this is being described as the biggest schism on the British laugh natty four decades since the DP was founded in the early nineteen eighties. And there are some similarities without obviously there was the four big piece to left the labor party to form the council of social democracy that then morphed into the SDP few months later to those gang of seven here. But they weren't quite the big beasts, you know, they weren't the void Jenkins who is being home secretary. They weren't the Shirley Williams you'd be education secretary the only accidents in office. You had was Chris, Leslie who I think was a junior minister under the new labour government's. There isn't that feeling that you had back in nineteen eighty one when the has to be was formed. I remember it myself. I was actually in the Conal rooms in long acre in nineteen eighty one win ROY Jenkins. Shelly Williams, David. Oh and Bill. Rodgers set up the DP. I I was there a reporter. But as an active student, I'd been supportive of labor, but I felt that the SDP was the future. So you don't have that a class that sense of an explosion that you had that moment. But I still think that the prospects for this group the centrist group of pretty good. And I say that because in the end if you go back to the nineteen eighties. What really in the end undermined the D S T, liberal lions was that labour moved away from this really rather extremist position that it was in in the early nineteen eighties under Michael Foot. None of the strong inference of Tony Benn when people have forgotten labor in the eighties was nothing for leaving the European Community. It was also for leaving NATO kinda very very left wing. Agenda. But the fact is when Kennedy actually became leader in nineteen eighty three he began to move the party towards the centre ground. It was a very slow process. And of course, he had to fight off Derek Hatton that time, but he did move the party towards the centre ground and by the late nineteen eighties. You could see the major figures over new labor beginning to come to the fore. Tony Blair, Gordon, Brown, also had Spurs other big hana's like Bryan Gould now forgotten, but people who are much more established in the public mind and the difference. Now is that you didn't feel that's going to happen with labor. I mean labor is in very different places upon the for where it was in the mid nineteen eighties. I'm Corbin and McDonnell. It really is a much more extreme position than never have disaffection as for greater the problem of what lose you under budget, Kohl's institutional, antisemitism is something very deep seated in the phenomenon that simply didn't exist in labor in the nineteen eighties. And so for that reason. I miss you saw a really quite remarkable vote fast inside labor either by Mr Corbett and all that he was replaced by somebody great deal. More moderate. I actually think this group has got a lot of momentum behind it is the key point. James a lot of people have been saying this week or let us know forget, the SDP was a disaster it didn't achieve its potential didn't win that many seats in the nineteen eighty three general election by nineteen eighty seven in the nineties visit away, but the key point of it was the effect. It had on the labor party labor did have to shift, but the left is so much more entrenched now and than it was in the nineteen eighties because people like Tony ban, never go to senior leadership positions within the party was John. And Jeremy Corbyn are at the top of labor, and what I think has been striking this week is that there's been no talk of this being any challenge to his positional him changing tack that you have seen people like Tom Watson, the deputy leader coming out and saying we need to listen more to MP's, we'd be more. -clusive we need to bring more social Democrats into the shadow cabinet, and that's had very short shrift from the leadership. Right. But I think in the long run of the two main potty labor conservative labor is the one which is much more threatened by this phenomenon. I mean, we haven't talked about the conservatives yet. But if you look at them they've had these three MP's who've come over from the conservative party over to the independent group with the smaller number. I think one of the big questions is going to be whether that can increase at all the real difference is that although the conservative party is very split over Brexit, obviously between the European research group in the moderate, it's still fundamentally pro Brexit. It's still willing to see Brexit pushed through it's far more disciplined around that principal. There's obviously a few people on the fringes like Dominic grieve and Philip Lee who are really totally anti Brexit. And you never know those people might come over. But they gain to be small enough. Number the point. I think is this independent group is really a much more social democratic phenomenon. And I think it's something which conservatives again to be a little bit more uncomfortable with I mean, it's certainly the case back in the mid ninety eight there were big ideological splits within the DP between people like, David, Shirley Williams. David was much more of a free marketeer who many people thought really to be the conservative party, but like blasts, and Shelly Williams was much more on the kind of we'll sewn in social democratic wings. You did see those splits and they'll be those tensions within the independent group. But by and large it's a party, which will I think have more social Democratic Centre left-leaning roots as James mentioned lower it, then on Wednesday was a crucial day for growing this group because open to that point it was a labor splinter. And then we saw three conservatives resigned with enjoying they will Heidi Allen and a super Dr Sav Wallison out again, much like the Lakers. Mentally checked out from that party along time ago. There is only about eight supporters of people's vote within the conservative party. And those were the key who decide to go. Then what did you make of law you without the press conference Wednesday announced an I thought what was striking was when the gang of seven announce they will go it was very somber. You could see the distress in their face. You could see how they felt this was a hard decision full of. But for the conserved as fout look like liberation away. They were beaming they were happy, and it was like a way to be taken off their show does. Yep. He Heidi Allen who has made a name for herself. As speaking out on things that aren't necessary, particularly, Tori. Those people have been saying for years. She lived them machine labor when she's not really real Tori, and you could see high excitement, and it was quite emotion as well. Honestly, Obree was the most emotional. I think she was the one that said it was incredibly hard leave the activists that have gone out in the streets campaign. Her on she'd served as a minister, she three I would say is the most sort of traditional conservative. I think those three joining on Wednesday was a huge moment because it did them become more than just a labor fringe group. It was at that moment that I think people saw speculate. Okay. Does this have the legs is the ground start? She go come on to be a whole new political policy. Those three you'll right would not have surprise we rule predicting it the day before those three names that were going around. I think we might see a couple more go. But in a way, it's more interesting. I think the independent to get heavy hitters from the labor side. I think if they go vet Kupa, for example, huge Thome Watson kissed arm, and I'm not sure that they would go. But that would be a really big moment. Whereas for the tours I'm not sure that many more could cross over Fennell because I think for a lot of them their sights set on. The Tory leadership election, and then that is the moment to reset the party. Not now, why leave now when you have a chance to elect someone as the leader that might signal shift in direction and make the party more as it used to you on camera. And I think that's the point that the three MP's on Wednesday making his this is no the party used to look like it's completely changes moving to the right mount pup momentum. You kept supporters hardline eurosceptics once Brexit is done, and it's gone thing. There are lots of Tory MP's who are just as unhappy as honor and Heidi and Sarah. But he think well, we have a chance to reset this in a way that the labor party don't indeed and Heidi Alan had said in polish Johnson Jacob strong, become either. Then I'm all anyway. And well Jacob woke maybe not saliva. Bush Johnson is still the favorite to be the next conservative leader. But what was also again striking? The difference was the reaction from their old parties. So a lot of people have expressed. Regret blues a lot of anger as well. And particularly with in Austin, who's not part of the independent group on finance. The he was quitting the party to citizens. The total independence less. We get confused between these two things again over this you antisemitism. This being a reaction from somebody which is don't let the door hate you on your way out. Whereas the conservatives as being one of huge regretted in Duncan Smith. We know message conservative MP's Nisa former lead us from the Brexit wing say I hope they come back though, we do want them back. And I think that is the general sense in conservative back benches that they were quite hard to keep these people on board. They've been a lot of things even though they've your Brexit is outside the mainstream of conservative MP's. Yeah. I think you're right deep sadness from the likes of barraged Republic tweets for men peas ice even crap saying we cannot afford to lease and peace. I think there's three were important, particularly Sarah and high because they represented this compassionate conservatism that the Pau. Thirty needs to read kindle with. Because that's the problem is that there's a feeling because of Brexit that toys ations guessing hall getting more your skeptic getting more right wing. I think has always been the case though, that toy associations and champion have tended to be rather to the right than MP's and mostly definitely tore revoted. Which is why I think there's something different going on between the labor party in the conservative party. I think conserved always had that issue. It's only really being about in Britain about in the specific context of Brexit. I think most Tory party chairman keep pretty quiet and remain very loyal to their prime minister. Generally, this is just being so divisive that I think just thinking of the James cleverly in the Thome Tuyen huts who see a future for themselves potentially as leaders of the party Vicky Atkins. Adele, you think giving up in a way that the perhaps more progress. Labor MP's. I think for them they feel like this is just split the party in a huge way. And it's a very nasty think the Tories don't think this is the end Heidi Allen, saying they're going to destroy the Tory party. I'm not so sure that's possible. I just think this is much more damaging labor this independent group than the Tories, but one group lower the could be destroyed by the independent group is the Liberal Democrats because they're a part of the occupying. The same intellectual space on the send to ground mixing economic practices them with a focus on social Justice. And that was where the party grew in the noughties, but then it was so damaged during the coalition years, and it's suffered from not very good leadership on the Tim Farron and Vince cable, it is a big quandary for the independent what they do with the lib Dem's because they all coupon. The same intellectual space speaking to the same center ground voters. But if they merge will bring them on board, then they'll just become tainted to. Yes, I think there's a split even within lip Dem's over the. I think some lip Democrats speaking to you this week really excited. Yeah. Then looking at this new group in say, they've got generals. But we've got the army. We've got the base we've got the support let's work together. And then you'll have others going. No, no, this is all patch, which is being about wary of them. And I think from the Tig spectacle of the lib Dem's slightly tarnished because of they did in the coalition that Brown's been damaged and they're trying to set a whole new political narrative they've actually called on the lips to come and join them nor in fool alliance, but to physically renounce than liberal Democrat membership. I'm not sure many lived do that because they're sort of small happy family at the moment than dissatisfied with their leadership. And again, I think Jo swinson who's the deputy Leyla Moran all setting this lights on the leadership one day. So I think that will be the interesting point Vince cable goes, and they have a new leader. It's a new brand new start. Maybe a Jo swinson. Type figure could enter into informal coalitions were alliances with take on the Sutton issues in the Commons worked together in a most of Danish coalition stall political system that could genuinely happen. I think remove Vinson ical about what this means at the moment. I think it's so hard to say that this group doesn't have any policies not oversleep crucial. And of course, they don't know one would expect them to policies at the moment. They're just a breakway group trying to gain support and membership. They've already got more followers on Twitter than momentum. Which I think is really interesting and shows that the public really excited by this. Do you think have been not suppose out, and you know, you could be very cynical and say, how can you be excited about something? That's just it doesn't really exist exist and doesn't have any policies what it represents for people who are genuinely politically homeless, particularly my generation who don't affiliate with labor anymore. They're unhappy with the position on Brexit. The labor party supports Brexit. So how do I with that? That the anti semitism. The nosiness that we've seen the Tories the posse of Brexit. The kind of old pale stale men running it and over three of couse to may they feel isn't representing them in any way. So there's a there is a political homelessness problem in this country. Absolutely. And so this is no time it's been fascinating to me. I've had friends he won't political tool asking me who would lure. What does this mean? Is this going to be something the answer is we could be really think it could be already got the same number of MP's as Thames. It's more than the DP seen how influential small groups can be political system. So this could be something. Our don't know what the Democrats are going to be doing. I think Vince cable is more of a traditional. But I could see a new lib DEM leader doing something more exciting and maybe working with take. I guess this is the question for the 'tigers as they've been branded this week wat- is going to happen next. Because when they launched a publish this statement of independence, which was a. Very loose collection. Social democratic principles which I think anybody from the centre-left the centre-right could read and say yet awfully sounds good to me. And that was obviously what they did to bring the conservative MP's on board. But at some point it is going to transform into for political party. I think that's what's going to happen. Leslie and shook they keen to do that at that point. You will have to have policies you will have to manifesto. And that's when I think keeping all together and keeping that freshness. Which is what it feels the moment will start to come off a little bit. And there's also the question of by-elections as well because when Mark reckless and Douglas Cosma left, the considered to join you they made a big point saying, we believe in democracy, and we're going to stand down by action, and they won both those by elections. They subsequently lost both seats at the general election. But all the tickets said we are not stunning for bilateral reasons. I understand why they're saying we don't want more disruption. It's law to our electro. We still stand what we were elected. On just the parties of change. But on the other hand, there is a sense of well, you're not really in your party. They didn't want people do vote in general elections based on partied is a big calculation. So there's gonna be a lot of pressure. But I caught really see them relenting. The bigger question is we all going to have some by-elections face you in this one in wealth, flew in the death of Pol Flynn MP. This week is likely to impeach Uva falling on a Sava who's involved in legal cases at the moment. And is will take before we formed enough by then to have a party that can stand candidate field candidates thought is the question. I think it's interesting that using note to have by-elections a narrow humint is that they haven't changed their parties of change does that war. I'm not sure that does wash with voters, and it's what labor saying to about their MP's. Look, if you're going to break winds down on this new platform and have the confidence to do that. Then you should have the confidence to go to your voters in your constituents and ask them to endorse you and your new platform I count under. Stand up because I think a lot of people if let's say there was a snap election in a few months time code fit. How many seats would take actually win because there is very real chance that this whole thing could be a flash in the pan. And then we have a snap election. We have election Fossino than we would have expected and all those MP's lose their seats. Because Tories might think they have a chance under a new leader. They might be excited by someone else. All they really get this new party. And it hasn't had time to form itself in which case you could easily white off all of them out. And then what what happens if they're their peace. Go jin. You don't know if let's say a fantasy pre was to run as a take candidate next week in a by-election would she win? A don't know if she would win nuts edged question. I think they should possibly have the confidence to do. So I can understand why this not what the public want. But equally do not have a GT to the people that until this. I'm not searchable. I'm not for this week's episode. Thank you very much to lower and James joining in the meantime, if you've liked what you've heard rely to enjoy teacher, and listen and do take look at all a subscription office, which you can find after dot com slash offer. Politics was presented by me about pain and produced by Caroline Grady until next time. Thanks for listening. We live in the era of disruption with entire industries in a state of change. Join host Walter Isaacson as he discovers the fascinating stories of some of the world's biggest trailblazers my favorite thing to do. 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Show 1156: How the Microbiota in the Good Gut Takes Care of You
I'm Joe Graydon, Terry Graydon, welcome to this podcast of the people's pharmacy. You can find previous podcasts and more information on a range of health topics at people's pharmacy dot com. How will you feed the bacteria in your belly the food? You eat affects the health and diversity of your micro bio, this is the people's pharmacy with Terry. And Joe, great and. Until recently. Most people thought of microbes as germs to be avoided. It turns out that we are hosts to trillions of bacteria, viruses, fungi and other organisms that influence our mental health immune system in general well-being. The typical American diet does not support a thriving and diverse micro bio antibiotics can wreak havoc with the population of bacteria living in your intestines coming up on the people's pharmacy. Find out how the micro biota in your digestive track is taking care of you. I the news. In the people's pharmacy health headlines with half a dozen measles. Outbreaks currently underway in the US as well as several serious international. Outbreaks the news on measles vaccine from Denmark is important. Researchers conducted a nationwide study that included everyone born between nineteen ninety nine and two thousand ten with more than six hundred fifty thousand children in that group. They had more than five million person years of follow up the Danish. Shell system keeps. Excellent records on all of its citizens, including the children. Consequently, the scientists are confident that the six thousand five hundred seventeen children diagnosed with autism during the study period are all the children who develop this condition. Children who did not receive the measles mumps rubella vaccine or m are were equally likely as vaccinated children to develop. Autism. The investigators conclude the study strongly supports that M R vaccination does not increase the risk for autism. Does not trigger autism in susceptible. Children and is not associated with clustering of autism cases. After vaccination the food and Drug administration has just approved a completely new type of antidepressant. The nasal spray called s ketamine is expected to help people who have not responded to standard antidepressants, it will be marketed under the brand name spur Votto. This drug is chemically related to the injectable anesthetic ketamine that's been on the market since nineteen seventy and is available generically, although s ketamine is administered us a nasal spray people will not be permitted to purchase it for home use. They will need to use proviso under medical supervision at a clinic or doctor's office. Some experts have challenged the FDA approval. Process for s ketamine while to clinical trials demonstrated some benefit to others did not show that s ketamine is better than placebo side effects of this novel antidepressant include nausea, dizziness headache, and a feeling of dissociation FDA Commissioner. Dr Scott Gottlieb unexpectedly announced his departure from the agency. This week experts were puzzled by his announcement since he has received high marks from the administration industry, and even some consumer groups, Dr Gotlib has raised questions about team vaping and has been an outspoken critic of pharmacy chains that sell tobacco products to minors some commentators speculate that these stances might be related to his abrupt departure his explanation for the sudden departure is that he wants to spend more time with his wife and young children. Dr Gotlib is a survivor of Hodgkin's lymphoma. Another week. Another drug recall, many, lots of our blood pressure drugs, including low Sutton, vowel Sutton, and herbs arcton have been recalled over the past eight months. These medicines were contaminated with potential carcinogens known as N D M A an NDA now hetero. Labs says recalled eighty-seven lots and Tarn pharmaceuticals limited is recalling a hundred lots of low sardine, tablets, these pills contain an entirely new contaminant just identified as N M B A. It too is a suspected carcinogen all three of these nitrosamine contaminants are apparently created as a result of the manufacturing process. FDA Commissioner Gottlieb stated were making important strides at understanding how these impurities form, and we're continuing to examine if nitrosamine impurities may also arise during the manufacture of. Other arb- drug products. The FDA is committed to implementing measures to prevent the formation of these impurities during drug manufacturing processes in the future Keflavik nights may have some benefit for people with multiple sclerosis. According to a small study previous research showed that dark chocolate rich and cocoa compounds might improve symptoms of chronic fatigue. The investigators recruited forty people with relapsing remitting MS to drink cocoa. Every day for six weeks. Nineteen of them got high flavonoids cocoa while Twenty-one drank low flab annoyed cocoa. At the end of the study those on the high flavonoids annoyed. Cocoa had slightly less fatigue and could walk somewhat farther in six minutes than they had at the outset. They also reported less pain. And that's the health news from the people sperm see this week. Welcome to the people's pharmacy. I'm Joe Graydon. I'm Terry Graydon. We humans are habitat trillions of microbes. In fact, there may be more bacterial and viral cells in our bodies than their argument cells. But although we've long thought of microbes as germs as our enemies. It turns out that the collections we host are crucial to our health and well-being. What should we know about our micro by our guest today are a husband and wife research and writing team doctor Justin Sonnenburg is an associate professor in the department of microbiology and immunology at the Stanford school of medicine. Dr Erica Sonnenburg is a senior research scientist in the department of microbiology immunology at the Stanford school of medicine. She studies the role of diet on the human intestinal microbiome. They're co authors of the good gut taking control of your weight your mood. Food and your long term health. Welcome to the people's pharmacy. And Dr Justin Sonnenburg, and Dr Erica, Sonnenburg great to be with you. Yeah. Thanks for having us in the introduction to your book. Dr Andrew Weil notes that when he went to medical school. There was no concept of the microbiome. At least nobody called it that the idea that bacteria and fungi and viruses in the digestive tract could influence the rest of the body was pretty Faren people who ate yogurt or took Asadollah supplements. They were kind of a little weird. How has all that changed in the last couple of decades? Yeah. There's been this awakening that we, you know, harbor in incredible microbial community all over our bodies. Most of these microbes live in our stole gastrointestinal tract and are known as the gut microbiome or the gut microbiome. But the amazing part of this is that we're realizing that these microbes are just a integral part of human health than for decades. We've been declaring war on microbes. And now, we realized that not only are not all microbes bad and disease causing the vast majority of microbes we encounter or actually beneficial to our health, and so it's just led to this total change in. How we think about all of these little micro organisms that are everywhere and everywhere really we're today we're going to really focus on the digestive track. But I think microbes. Conceivable human space. Yep. Microbes are amazingly adaptable. And so they can colonize virtually almost any environment. So anywhere that there's you know, a spot for them. They will figure out a way to survive. So most of the bacteria that we harbor live in our digestive system. But there are bacteria, you know, in our on our skin in our belly button. I mean any anywhere. You can imagine ears is all those places have microbes in the good, gut you speak of the micro-biology as a second genome could chew explain please. What you mean? Yes. So there's been you know, a tremendous focus on the human genome over the past couple of decades. And you know, it's been justified. I mean, we know that the the human genome contains the blueprint for each one of us in terms of our biology, but what the study of the gut microbiome has taught us is. We've turned this DNA sequencing technology away from the human genome in towards these microorganisms is that the vast majority of genetic material that each human harbors is not in our human genome, but it's in these resident microbial communities, and so there's just a tremendous capacity for these microbes to influence in dictate our biology. It's estimated that the human genome has around twenty thousand genes, our gut microbiome alone has each one of us has on the order of one hundred two thousand times the number of genes as our our human genome. So just you know, it greatly eclipse. Is the diversity of biology that can occur one interesting thing about that. Is you think of you know, you're born with your human genome, which is static. There's not really much you can do to change that. But your genome that you get from your microbial communities is something that we actually have a lot of control over based on our lifestyle or diet choices. And so it's a really powerful message to think that, you know, ninety nine percent of your associated genetic material is something that you can actually have some control over and improve your health through his extraordinary at and I guess, you know, we always hear from people these days. Oh, yeah. There are more bacteria in our digestive tracts, then there are people on the planet. And and then I read on your in your book that there are more microbes on our hand than people in the world, and I'm going, wow. Really? Yeah. It it totally changes. How you think about about your your body? You know, you think of humans as a single species, homo, sapiens, and were actually a composite of hundreds to thousands of species. So we are a walking ecosystem. It's like each one of us is a rainforest in terms of the the diversity of life. And then if you start counting, the actual cells microbes are just way more abundant in our body, the microbial cells than the human cells, and so by cell number each one of us is actually more microbial than human. And so there's kind of a evolving view of when you look at somebody what you're actually looking at. It's not just a human. It's this composite organism with microbe you'll and human parts that come together to work in an incredibly elaborate way. Now when I was growing up, it seemed like as you suggested there was a war with microbes. I remember. Over a commercial on television. Where listerine was supposed to kill germs by millions on contact. And then we have tabletop cleansers that say they'll kill ninety nine percent of the germs environs that cause illness. And so we've been fighting all of this stuff for years we wash our hands and antimicrobial soaps, and we are fearful there are germs bad germs just lurking everywhere to attack us, you're suggesting we should rethink that concept. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting, you know, microbiology started out as an endeavour to understand the bacteria that causes harm. And then, you know, the with the advent of antibiotics who was really very successful in making people well in an antibiotic saved countless lives, and so, you know, the those have been amazing drugs. But as we understand more and more about this microbial world that we live in. There's been a realization that there are bad germs out there. But there are many many more examples of good microbes, and this sort of carpet bombing that we've done of of microbes through the use of antibiotics and all these cleaners and anti microbial soaps has really done a disservice in a way in that. It's not just removing the bad microbes. But also the good ones. And so we just need to rethink our release. Ship with microbes and understand that there are very beneficial microbes that we have to care for because they're really a part of who we are like Justin said, you know, this walking east ecosystem that we are. You've emphasize the importance of diversity of our microbes. Why is that so important? You know, it's an excellent question. And I think you know, the field of microbiome researches in maturing at a rapid rate. The number of discoveries are mind boggling, but diversity is one of these things that we really still don't understand very well except for just kind of general ecological principles, and it really appears that whether you're looking at a rainforest or whether you're looking at a gut microbiome in general, there is a relationship between the diversity of that community and the the health of that community. Now, there are ways in which diversity can get out of control in. There can be too much diversity or the wrong type of diversity that actually has disease causing and this is you know, where the nuance in the field really comes into play is is understanding what optimal levels of diversity are. And what the right types of diversity are. But what is very clear is that most people that live in the. The industrialized world that have been exposed to antibiotics in sanitation, and and you know, this kind of hyper hygienic society, and then also consume a western diet have have a gut microbiome that is probably a lacking in the proper amount of diversity for optimized human health. Now, I'm trusting that there are ways that we could change that. And we'll talk more about that in a little bit. But maybe you could just describe for us. How a baby get started with its microbial diversity. And then how do we change that? As we go on. Yes. A when you know a baby is born the womb is largely a sterile environment. And so they enter the world pretty devoid of microbes but upon birth. They enter this microbial world that that we all inhabit and their rapidly colonized with microbes and depending on various situations. The first microbes that colonize that baby will be different. So for example, if that baby is born vaginal versus by C section that will influence the type of microbes that that infant is first exposed to whether or not that infant is then breastfed versus formula fed will also influence the first communities that that assemble on and within that child, and there's growing evidence that these early colonizers are important in training, this infants immune system. So. When you're born your immune system is still not fully developed and requires cues from microbes to fully mature. And so which microbes I call an is that infant can send that child on a trajectory toward their ultimate immune system that they end up with and there's evidence that sanitation c sections formula feeding perhaps prime that child's immune system in a way that makes them more susceptible to many of the diseases that we see going up in the west things like, asthma, allergies and other auto immune diseases. You're listening to Dr Justin Sonnenburg and Dr Erica Sonnenburg. He is an associate professor, and she is a senior research scientist in the department of microbiology and immunology at the Stanford University school of medicine. Their book is the good gut taking control of your weight your mood and your long term health. After the break will find out how the microbiome interacts with the rest of the body can the denizens of our digestive tract really affect big health problems, like inflammation, insulin resistance and obesity. 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Their book is the good gut taking control of your weight your mood and your long term health. I've been wondering how the micro Buyum interacts with the rest of our body. You've mentioned allergy immunology. But what about things like inflammation or ABI -sity, insulin resistance, even our brain. So could you give us a quick overview of how all those bacteria and presumably other things as well fungi viruses? And goodness knows what else may be interacting with us. Yeah. It's a great question. And I think, you know, for decades, it's been apparent and intuitive that the gut microbiome would influence digestion of food would influence gut health. But what has really been remarkable in? This field is to watch all of the examples. Accumulate of how our gut microbes can influence this diverse array of aspects of human biology human health, that are what we think of as separated from from the gut can influence moods behavior. Immune system in the lung metabolic aspects of our health, obesity, and really the experiment that I think got a lot of people's attention which occurred over ten years ago now in a lab where and I were doing post docs, it was an experiment performed by somebody else, but it was in Jeffrey Gordon's lab at Washington University of in Saint Louis, they I observed that a micro of in obese mouse was different than a lean mouse. And so the question became, well is that different micro bio, a cause of obesity, or is it a result of obesity? And so that's very difficult question to address because it's not just a single micro organism like an infectious agent that you could infect a another mouse with and see if it causes disease in this case recuse about an entire ecosystem in what it can do. And so they perform the very clever experiment of microbiology transplant where they took the micro bio from either lean mice or from OBE. Obese mice transferred those Microbiology's into two different groups of recipient mice. And then just watched fed those two groups of mice the same thing in watched what happened and the remarkable thing was the mice receiving the obese microbiology gained weight more rapidly. And so that was really the first evidence that the microbiology could be causal for something like obesity, this big host FINA type that was quite different than just gut health. And since that time, it's become apparent that our gut microbes are, you know, sending chemicals into our bloodstream that circulate through our bodies and can influence, you know, all aspects of our biology because our circulatory system goes everywhere in our body and carries these chemicals. And so now, we're beginning to to think about how can we use the microbiome because it's malleable, we can change it as a lever to tune different aspects. Of our biology, either treat disease or prevent disease. That sounds fascinating. And how far along is that researcher is that just in the very beginning faces or are there some situations in which we know what to do to get a result. You know, there's one really great example of how microbiome reprogramming has been very successful in treating disease in that disease is C facilites associated colitis. So these are people that have an overgrowth of Sita facility in their gut, and it can cause, you know, terrible diarrhea people die from this. It's it's really a difficult problem. And usually was treated just through heavy doses of antibiotics in the hopes that you could bring down the deficit organism, and that was you know, somewhat successful. But not a great strategy. And then they found that if they just gave these people a microbiology transplant similar to what had been done in that mouse experiments, so just take a healthy donor stool and provide that to the the C difficile infected person that it could reboot their micro-biology and the cure rate for that was a may. As ING like the basically almost one hundred percent cure rate. So that was one specific example of just rebooting somebody's microbiology and disease going away since then there are number number of microbiology reprogramming are fecal micro transplant. FM tea is is how they call it. Studies looking at if that strategy could be affective in dealing with a number of diseases diabetes, metabolic syndrome, obesity, different auto immune diseases. And so those studies are just starting. There's been some results that are promising others not so much. And so there's a lot of work left to be done to figure out strategies to use microbiome reprogramming to cure disease. But it definitely is something that's very promising. Versa condition. That's really hard to treat. It's called inflammatory bowel disease things like all sorts of colitis. The drugs that we use are expensive these days, and sometimes they have side effects that are serious. What about this concept of reprogramming for bowel disorders, like inflammatory, Bowery, even irritable bowel? Yeah. I I think that there are a lot of people that are excited about that. And there are you know, in the literature. There's definitely several trials underway in some indication that there is success with specific treatment regimens where fecal transplant is applied repeatedly. It's very different than the situation where there's actually a an infectious agent bacteria that's responsible for causing the inflammation, single bacteria that can be Radic aided through this fecal transplant in the case with something like inflammatory bowel disease, where the host immune system in the barrier of the gut have kind of been thrown into a state of inflammation and being compromised that it appears that it's a more difficult to reprogram the gut into a healthy microbiome that can restore health. And so I think that what the field is is learning is that there's. Is going to need to be a variety of tools, perhaps a dietary reinforcement perhaps a defined communities of microbes rather than a crude fecal transplant perhaps in combination with some of the conventional therapies things like immunosuppressants that could stop the immune system from being inflammatory for a certain period of time while the system rebuilds and restores homies stasis. So I think that you know, there's incredible promise and a lot of people looking into that. But the answers are definitely more difficult than seat of silk lightest, one good analogy could be you know, if you think of like starting a garden and you throw a bunch of seeds on there. But then you don't water it. You don't fertilize it like those seeds are not going to grow and form a lush garden. And so in many ways, this fecal transplant might be like that in that you introduce these organisms, but you also have to introduce. The foods that they like or create an environment that is helpful for them to then regrows. And that's something that I think the field is trying to figure out all these factors to get a good community to really entrenched in a person's gut and do all the benefit that that they're capable of doing. There's been a lot of talk about the donors the healthy donors that are if you like submitting samples to repopulate the the just of track and we've heard recently about super poopers that is to say people who are super healthy and have a great diversity and really great bacteria in their gut. Are we starting to figure out you know, what kind of bacteria might be more productive than others? Yeah. Again, you know, it's a it's a great question. I think is the field marches forward. We are getting a sense for what a are kind of general principles of healthy microbiome in terms of the membership in terms of certain functional features production of certain molecules that may restore the barrier. So I think we are starting to see get a general idea of that. And also general idea of some red flags to things that may be an indicator that there's inflammation occurring or other bad things happening, but the really difficult part in this field is you know, we mentioned that the fecal transplant experiments that were done to cause mice to become obese on those same experiments have been done to modify mouse behavior to change the rate of Alzheimer's occurring. You know, there's there's all of these FINA typic- effects of changing the micro. But in almost all of these. Cases. It's very difficult to trace it back to a single molecule single molecular pathway or a single species or even a group of species. Instead, it's a collection of hundreds of species that appear to do this. And it's it's hard to know because of the complexity what the the important features are that that underlie that. And it may not be reduce -able. It may be something that's an emergent property of this complex community. And so, you know, I think the idea of screening somebody based on their health, and based on the certain features that appear to partition with with a healthy population is kind of the best that we can go on now. But it's still not very specific. And certainly not a fail. Safe approach. Behavior and cognitive function change with changing microbiology, how are the gut bacteria communicating with the brain? So we we have some plausible routes of communication. But again, you know, the exact pathways in in which ones are the major pathways are still widely debated in the field. So there's, you know, our gut possesses a nervous system, the intern nervous system, and that has a connection to our central nervous system. And so there have been experiments to show that that neural connection is essential in communicating certain aspects of the physiology that's occurring in the gut to the central nervous system. So in some cases, it's routed through our nervous system. In other cases, there are molecules little chemicals that the microbiome produces that get absorbed through the gut into the bloodstream, and then those circulate through the body and some of those can cross. The blood brain barrier and enter the central nervous system. So that's yet another route. And then, you know, third route is that our gut is the most immune rich tissue in our body. That is the vast majority of immune cells inner body reside in our gut, and that makes a lot of sense because there's so much microbial life. There we need to be monitoring that and be educated about you know, what microbes are living in our gut from an immunological perspective that immune system is not stationary. So the cells in the immune system, of course, circulate through the body. They work their way into tissues, like the gut interact with microbes or microbial products. And then they pick up and they go into the bloodstream and move through the body, and then rehome to another tissue. And that's another way that you could imagine them the gut microbiome interacting with the nervous system. And so they're all of these different routes that. Are in play. And probably are, you know, again, it's a really complex system probably are working in concert in different ways to influence things. Like moods behavior neuro degeneration. I'm fascinated that the gut has so much immune activity. I think back to the old hygiene hypothesis that is still evolving, the idea that if you grow up on a farm, and you're exposed to lots of bacteria, you may be less sensitive to allergies and perhaps asthma. Can you go into a little more depth on this immune system that is basically dependent to a large extent on the health of our micro-biology? Yes. Or the, you know, the immune system, I think again classically has been thought of as a way to fight germs to you know, a virus or bacteria invades, it's a the part of our biology. That's there to kind of create war into defend our our human tissue. But I think the more nuanced and evolving view on this is that the immune system is actually just a microbial interaction interface. It's a way of perceiving the microbes whether their benefit or disease causing and then kind of getting our body ready for potential attacks. But also to to deal with beneficial microbes as well and respond appropriately. And so there's no doubt that the immune system all over our body is tuned by the microbes that we have in our gut and there have been, you know, many experiments in. In animal models to show this now experiments in humans that are supporting it that if you change the gut microbiome, you can fundamentally change how the immune system operates. So you can you can change how you fight off a viral infection in your lung by changing the gut microbiome to you can change the rate at which auto immune disease progresses. For instance. If you have auto immune disease in your central nervous system, you can actually influence the rate of that by changing, the gut microbiome. And now, there's a many studies out showing that cancer patients that are enrolling in. Immunotherapy trials these trials where the drug is actually activating the immune system to fight the cancer that the efficacy of those drugs can actually be influenced by gut microbiome composition. And so there's there's really this. Tremendous realm of new directions to go with to. Tuning the immune system. You know, whether you're getting vaccinated or whether you're fighting an auto immune disease. You may wanna tune your immune system to a different set point. And the the route to doing that may be through changing, your gut microbiome. I'd been wondering where all the germs and fungi and viruses that end up in our gut come from. I mean, evil ready described. The fact that there are what hundreds of millions maybe billions of bacteria in our digestive tracts. How how did we acquire them? So many of our microbes early in life. Come from our mother, family members, and caregivers certainly when we're infants you know, if you're born through the birth canal of vaginal microbes of the first microbes you encounter, and then you gradually acquire other microbes from your mother, and and from the people around you because microbes are everywhere in the the world is covered in a patina of microbes. That means that at a very low level were continually introducing microbes from somebody else's gut into our digestive tract, you can think about it as a low grade fecal transplant that you're continually performing on yourself, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing to get exposed to two more microbes that can increase your gut diversity, whether those microbes stay in your gut will depend upon what you're eating. What the resident community already looks like. So, you know, there's a complex array of factors, but gradually over the course of our life. We are being exposed to a wide array of gut microbes from the people around us. You're listening to Dr Justin Sonnenburg, Dr Erica Sonnenburg from the department of microbiology and immunology at the Stanford University school of medicine their book is the good gut after the break will learn how we can take care of our microwave. So it can take care of us. We'll find out about the care and feeding of our micro biota. Oh, what does it like to eat? You'll get some recommendations for breakfast, lunch and dinner find out how for minted foods can nourish our microbiome further strategies that can help if we need to take antibiotics. You're listening to the people's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon. If you've Al you the health information, you get when you listen to the people's pharmacy consider subscribing to our Email newsletter. 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Grow biota influences our health in addition to digest defunct, our resident collection of bacteria, viruses, and eukaryotes has an impact on our immune system, and even our behavior and cognitive capacity. How should we take care of our micro bio two so that it can take good care of us? We're talking with Dr Erica Sonnenburg in Dr Justin Sonnenburg, she's a senior research scientist, and he's an associate professor in the department of micro biology and immunology at the Stanford University school of medicine. They're co authors of the good gut taking control of your weight your mood and your long term health. Erica, you've suggested that we need to take good care of our microbiome. If we want them to take care of us. How do we do that? Well, what the field has learned over the past decade of studying the microbiology is that the biggest lever that we have to control this community in our gut is through diet. So what we eat majorly influences, not only the composition of the microbiology. But also what those bacteria are doing. And in a way, it makes sense, right? We're providing food in the habitat in which they live our got. And this is what we're eating is what and turn the microbes have access to as their food. And so what we choose to eat will influence what their options are for eating and their metabolism. What do they like? So one thing that people need to understand that the majority of these microbes live in the most distant parts of our gut so in the large intestine or colon. That's where the vast majority of these microbes are and so what they like to eat is the food that. Actually reaches that part of our digestive system, which is specifically dietary fiber, so the human genome is actually terrible at its ability to digest dietary fiber. So when you you eat food things like the sugar fat in that food gets absorbed relatively easily in our stomach and small intestine, but because our human genome doesn't encode much capacity for degrading dietary fiber it largely remains untouched. And so it continues through our digestive system and reaches our large intestine where the majority of our microbes live, and this is the food that are microbes really love to eat is dietary fiber these complex carbohydrates that are found in plant material, fruits and vegetables, grains, nuts all these things contain these complex carbohydrates that really fuel the microbes that live in our got. So if we were to join you for breakfast, lunch and. Dinner. What would we be eating to encourage all of those microbiome bacteria to just dance for joy thrive? The good ones and maybe discourage the bad ones. You know, I think part of that question is thinking about what we're confined to eating in the food system that we all live in whatever industrialized country in the United States. We don't have access to a lot of the really fiber rich foods that we ate long ago as ancient humans, and so few visit for instance, a hunter gatherer society, like the Hodson and Tanzania that, you know, our our modern people, but they're kind of a continuation of humanity's ancient past they eat on the order of a hundred to one hundred fifty grams of dietary fiber per day, we as Americans on average eat about fifteen to twenty so, you know, seven to ten fold less dietary fiber than we probably eight when we were evolving before, you know, industrialization. And so if we really could focus on what we should eat. It should be fiber. Rich tubers, not the. Data French fries that we eat now from McDonalds, I think eating incredible berries that are not overly sweet. But really high and in dietary fiber have thick skins. You know, these are the types of foods that really humans should be eating. But of course, that's not practical. It's there these aren't foods that we can, cultivate, and distribute widely. And so given our situation where we live we really need to make deliberate conscious decisions to eat find plants as the basic, you know, soul of our diet that are high in dietary fiber, and so that's avoiding things like white rice or potatoes without the skins. You know, these starchy vegetables do not have. Hi, Terry, fiber. But instead a whole grains, legumes vegetables nuts, and then some fruits, although a lot of fruits are very high in sugar. So I think you know, focusing on those plants that are known to have. Hi, dietary fibers the only way to kind of come close to the amount of dietary fiber, which probably should be eating. Well, I'm wondering about breakfast because you know, a lot of people have a and may be sausage for breakfast. Or they're having weedays or cocoa puffs or some kind of serial. There are a lot of our listeners who are now gravitating towards smoothies that might have berries in them or even kale. What about a good breakfast? And then are we confined to salad for lunch, or there's some other things we might wanna have? Yeah. I think you know breakfast is really important. And traditionally American breakfast seem to fall into two categories of like you said, you know, the eggs bacon or the sugary, cereal or pancakes or something the other category. And if you you look at the dietary fiber content of both of those types of breakfast, they're really very bad. I mean, essentially nothing for your microbes. And at that point, you're microbes have gone the whole night with no food. Then you wake up for breakfast. You eat sugary or fatty food that doesn't have any dietary fiber. So that's, you know, many more hours until lunch until they may be lunch is the first time these microbes get any access to dietary fiber. And so I think breakfast is really important to really focus on getting a high fiber start to your day and so- smoothies are a great way. Like, you said, adding kale or berries other things that you know, we do at our? Houses put things like flaxseed meal or germ different things like that to try to boost fiber content. The other cool thing about smoothies is that it's a good way to start. Introducing a fermented foods into your diet. So adding things like yogurt or Keefer that have live microbes in there. You get sort of a double whammy of dietary fiber and beneficial microbes in the fermented food things like steel cut, oats that has a really high fiber content. These whole grain cereals are a way of moving away from highly processed cereals into things that are more or less, processed, and and more more fiber content. And I think most of our listeners know what yogurt is. But not everybody knows what Kiefer is can you tell us, please. And do you put Keefer on your still connotes? Absolutely. I I'm a Keefer junkie. I think it's, you know, a wonderful way to start the day. Whether you put it in your smoothie, or like, you said dump it onto oats or another, you know, whole grain kind of muesli, cereal or granola so Keefer essentially as a fermented milk product similar to yogurt, but most yogurts are made with a defined number of a bacterial strains kind of on the order of four different species for two six different species of bacteria and Keefer. Instead is just this wild community complex community of dozens of microbes that are are working together to for meant the milk, and it results in typically a something that is thick and drinkable as opposed to yogurt, which is, you know, something that you would scoop with a spoon. I culture my own Keefer at home, actually, culture, two different types. You can order Keefer. Grains on on the internet and reconstitute them. They come dried, and it's a wonderfully easy way to to have rented foods as part of your daily diet because you don't have to heat the milk it'll ferment at room temperature. So every morning, I just strain. My Keefer grains. I drink the Keefer that comes through. And I put the grains that have strained out into a new batch of milk in a jar screw the lid on kind of loosely and let it sit overnight. And then I repeat the next day. So Keefer, I think is really a great thing that is, you know, easy to to do on your own at home. What are some other for mental foods that people can eat that would nourish our microbiome? You know, unfermented food that is becoming very popular as Kabukicho. So that is similar to Keefer in that it's an ill defined community of microbes. So the Scooby is complex ecosystem of bacteria and yeast that for meant something like a tea or juice and create this drink that that not only has the sugar reduced because these microbes have have used those sugars for their from tation. But also contains the living organisms from the culture. And so since it's a drink. It's pretty easy to you know, just get a couple servings of a fermented foods just through drinking Kabukicho instead of juice or soda that are very high in sugar and don't offer any living organisms. The other popular ones are from anted vegetables like sauerkraut or kimchi if you like spicy food. Sometimes if we, you know, make eggs will sprinkle kimchi on top. And it's a way of of adding for mental food, but also adding some really interesting flavors and spice, and you know, what other point they're just to emphasize. Erica said really with fermented foods. There are at least three great benefits. One is the microbial life. That's been growing in fermenting. The food that you add to your digestive tract and increase diversity. The second is your decreasing the glycemic load of that food because the microbes as they for meant are eating all of the simple sugars, and so they're they're really depleting sugar, which is why most of these foods don't taste so sweet. And therefore when you eat that food, you're less likely to have something like a blood glucose, spike because the glycemic index has been lowered in the third grade thing is all of the microbial fermentation and products, which gives these foods there. Sour taste. Those are known to be also very beneficial for health. And so those three things together really make for mentored foods, something that we probably should be eating a lot more of the the thing that you have to be cautious of when you choose a fermented foods. If you're not making it yourself is that a lot of companies out there will try to mask that sour taste by adding back sugar at the end before they package it. And then in some cases, they even pasteurize it and Canada, and then they're killing all the microbes. So if you want good for minted food, you really have to get it from a refrigerated section. That's shows that the microbes are alive, and it's has an expiration date on it. And then the other part is you really have to monitor and make sure that there's not a lot of added sugar that they've put back into either the yogurt or the Khumbu to try to make it less our and probably much less healthy. There are times when we have to take antibiotics sometimes childr-. Children have to take them for long periods of time. And we've also heard recently that Colin us copies because you sort of quote unquote, clean out the lower digestive. Tract may also impact our micro biota. How do we get back the good bacteria that we need besides nourishing them? What about probiotics? How would we know what to take which ones are going to be most beneficial? Yeah. That's a very difficult question because the the marketplaces just flooded with different probiotics out there. And so the question is how do you choose something? And how do you choose something that's appropriate for specific indication, whether it's trying to rebuild your community after antibiotic treatment, or if you're dealing with something like constipation or for other reasons, and so we really recommend that you people talk to their doctors about this. Because if they have specific indication for why they wanted, you know, take probiotics. There may be a study out there that shows a specific product is effective in dealing with that, but one of the big problems with the probiotic market is that it's not carefully. Regulated. And so there are a lot of products out there that are either mislabeled or contain only dead bacteria. And so it really comes to the buyer doing their diligence in look. Their specific seals that. You can find on probiotics. That shows that a third party has verified what is in the product that there are live bacteria that agrees with what's listed on the label. But it's quite often at a trial and error process for consumers, where they basically, you know, have to try different probiotics to see what agrees with them what can ameliorate symptoms now when it comes to building a community after you've taken antibiotics or or had a bowel prep for a colonoscopy. There's just not a lot of of great data out there to suggest that probiotics or having a huge effect or that they are. There are some products that are superior to others. And so our general rule of thumb when somebody we know has to take antibiotics is to try to, you know, introduce dietary fiber back as you are able to into your diet to help the resident microbes re grow and then. Fermented foods, or you know, yogurt something like that is there's quite a bit of data to show that those are beneficial in reducing things like diarrhea after antibiotics so there's not a great specific answer. But just kind of these general rules of thumb that we know right now, we are nearly out of time. And we're going to encourage everyone to read the good gut. It's a great book. But what do you want our listeners to take forward from this conversation? You know, I think the most important thing that's coming out of micro by research right now is that we have this microbial component of our biology that we have to be aware of that we have to care for that can deteriorate over time. I mean, there's a lot of evidence right now that the industrialized lifestyle is not a friendly lifestyle for our gut microbial community. And so that means we can be more aware and do things in our life to protect into nurture and take care of this community in that will come back to reward us in in better health. Justin Sonnenburg decker. Erica sonnenburg. Thank you so much for talking with us on the people sperm ac- today. It's been a pleasure. Thanks so much. You've been listening to Dr Justin Sonnenburg, and Dr Eric Assam Berg. Dr Justin Sonnenburg is an associate professor in the department of micro biology and immunology at the Stanford school of medicine. Dr Erica Sonnenburg is senior research scientist in the department of microbiology and immunology at the Stanford school of medicine. She studies the role of diet on the human intestinal micro by they're co authors of the good gut taking care of your weight your mood, and your long term health Lynn sequel produced today's show Alydar ski engineered Dave Creighton edits. Our interviews. 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And welcome to watch crap ins the podcast about all that crap. We'd just love to talk about on your bras. I'm Ronnie run care must on the sprigs bachelor risked podcast, which is super fence ago. Listen to that. And here I am with my goal. Just it'll fringe and partner Ben Mandil Kerr of Tom, Tom and the real housewares of kitchen island. Hello been. Hi, everyone. Yeah. There's new episodes of real house or as a kitchen island went up last week. So go check that out on YouTube to search raw on YouTube. What that's so exciting. I also exciting. We are leaving. We're going to Dallas were so exciting. Yeah. On truancy in Dallas. My goodness. Wow. They're both gonna get great shows. Okay. Friday night. There's tickets open. We're going to recap real housewives of New Jersey there. So come. I mean, what the hell what else you got to do gave football's over get over it. Yeah. Yeah. There's like literally nothing else to do on a Friday night. Now, not that football was nicely. Yeah. Yeah. Greatest cities ever there's nothing going on here. Yeah. Like, what are you going to be doing? You're going to be like sitting home like watching sausages similar in water. No, come to our show. You're gonna have a great time. Yeah. Do that. And then Saturday's well that sold out. But thank you to everyone. He's coming were so excited that's going to be our biggest show to date Saturday shows be huge not side it and then tomorrow, we're going to do this TV party thing. Again, we're on TV party right now. So hi, everybody on TV party. You can also find these videos on our patriots ago. If you wanna watch us on your smart, TV suppose, you're stupid plugging TV feel free India. And that's it tomorrow. We're going to be on doing below deck. And after Dallas we're going to be in Vancouver for the just for laughs comedy festival. And then after that, lots of places go to watch crap dot com, and there's a calendar with all of our places coming up. Yeah. You might be surprised that we're coming to see you. So we really are going everywhere. So yeah. Yeah. Dallas there's only like four days left three days four days, something like that. I don't know like not much time left. I almost feel like Ronnie, we should put up. A little ticker on our podcast says twenty three hours engine Dallas show when nikolina arrives reviews. Maestro lamps do it. I'm offer a ticker. Ron is distracted by something. I can see. Now, here's the thing. TV party is outed. You. I'm doing on Ron is totally distracted. And we all can see you. It's not just me. We all can see right now. I was making a segue into MandA pump rules, really. Yeah. Talking. I'm going to do staff. Now, I wasn't like texting or anything. I was just adjusting. Like, it looks crazy. We've got two cameras alight. This look still look like poop. I still looked like an eyebrow or poop. Okay. Yeah. I just have my phone up. I have a very low tech here. It's almost as if you are throwing a Daily Mail party, and nothing is working Ronnie, I like the acting like Daily Mail is. I don't know. What's a big thing? I mean Daily Mail is big. But they're actually Daily Mail is like the New York Times. Yeah. Like, Anna Wintour is about to come by with riana. You know? It's like a girl named like Joan who just got her nails done it. Happy nails. And she's like I'm going to party tonight. I'm happy because said happy males. Yeah. This is Hutchence mile. She's like. Like, she's obviously some crazy person. She doesn't care then don't even have to our lists at work. And she's like, it's great every great. So. Yeah. The episode begins with this like a countdown of death time roundabout on the screen. It's like three hours and two minutes and twenty nine seconds. Sees. John's God's she might as well have been in that show tease. I know rent for all that gave us might as well have been banner pump up a restaurant in incentive. Santa fe. We'll be nice. As many of you guys know dude tonight's episode of Anirban. Roles was supposed to be live. But Tom Schwartz broke his legs. So you're gonna see mostly prerecorded stuff until the very very end when we Hugli send out it'll be live, dude. Is that what happened on rent? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was the big thing with grant was that, by the way, our friend. Emerson was on there. And he was just adorable on it yet. You know, the big live thing in the night before during at dress rehearsal. One of the leads the guy plays like Qatar is. Roger Roger he was he brought hurts himself setup. Roger all. You have to do is fucking stand there. Anyway. Okay. We'll out. Yeah. Well, that was actually one of the controversies because he was supposed to be. He broke his foot during the dress rehearsal the night before. So they had to basically air footage from the dress rehearsal for about like ninety five percent of the show. And then the last like the last scene they had him there with his life full on boot on his foot, and they did like a little PSA at the first commercial break that said, you know, send Thames in theater things happen. And while we wanted this to be live. We unfortunately, rendre broke his foot. So we have to do this. Four point of a live show. If Roger broke his foot, we'll his ass out there. So while in live exactly and while the show is happening while we were watching the dress rehearsal apparently Hughes out there in his little wheelchair. And they were doing the show because there was a live audience bear. So there were still doing the show, and you just in his wheelchair. I'm like, why don't they that show that chairs twenty nineteen we need a Roger in a wheelchair twenty. It's okay. If his part of the cardio doesn't work. That's I think we all understand. He's in a wheelchair. He broke his foot like America can occasionally be reasonable. Yeah. But I guess the character Roger wouldn't pay for a wheelchair because he's cheap. And that's why they don't wanna pay rent gay can suck a dick every I wish you would see that. Because there was a lot of it was like, we'll talk about that on the business bombs absurd. Give you a little talk about rent. I'm Ben I'm sorry. I called you twad. You're welcome. Oh, okay. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks said to write that down because it's my that's okay. All right. I can stop my taught apology timer which has now been at seven days, fourteen hours, thirty to thirty two minutes and twelve seconds. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So we go to tell Gialle otherwise known as Elaine Kelly. Nick. Nick, MC MC. Elaine, Elaine, where nothing is ready. There's no toilets. There's no lights. There's no food. I'm mean, basically sounds like a vendor pump restaurant, you know, Bush. That's why they have such big planters there. You know? I actually think it's an improvement. I think I'd rather have no food than some nasty ass frozen. Baby shrimps that are like piled onto a salad again. So so Nikolaev is like putting up chandeliers sh- maestro. Is that look not bother him? Shh. I'm worried about chandelier is am I get she's saying that in context, I could just imagine Lisa Vander prompts saying that every day about something? Like, I'm worried about the. She'd be like the person you had a really annoying political argument about where you're like, you know, like the issue like the like there's just like rampant racism in this country. Well, I'll tell you one thing I'm worried about the chandeliers. Yeah. Comes into every facet of her conversations. She's just at a stop light waiting for some of the cross like. Mood about the sound. She's renewing her license these questions, but not to question about the chandeliers. I'm worried about the chandeliers. I'm here to help to talks in Yulin stop being made into Tecos and chandeliers whereabouts. About about the chandelier. Worried about the u lineage on an airplane. They're going over the safety precautions excuse me, at what point are we going to discuss what we do about the chandeliers. I'm worried about the journey is. I mean priority boarding. I'm worried about this entity has so Tom and areana or in a Mercedes are we just pretending that everyone's making this money being a waiter now on the show having a Benz. Okay. You're are tender all or driving fancy cars. So yeah. So they're making a checklist because the day before the the big Daily Mail party, and Tom is like going nuts. He's like need to make sure that the is is working. I got a bash mix like nine hundred cocktails. I'm worried about the chandeliers now there's uniforms. There's a pothole to battle all Nevin repeat toothpicks, I'll lives at all. Chandeliers, bro. I gotta tell Tom. What a what a tampon is. I gotta do that. Make sure I don't forget areana deals with it in the best way ever. She just rolls her eyes. She's like. Like, he's like a baby. So I just let them run it out. And watch us never going to be a personal assistant. And the best part of all this was they'll they're going to pick up uniforms and like TOMS Berg side about do. These are the best uniform. But then he like watch him getting in and out of the car because the frayed of getting hit by traffic, which is actually very much in the Ben Mandil Kerr style like jumps out. And when it comes back and say, oh, it's like you could hear like action music playing like dude, I almost got hit by a car that was like a half a mile away. Almost got hit by the hippie. What's now, you're on advance? And you hate the hippies. You see we're all going back to rent. It's all route five hundred twenty five God damning, uniforms. So he's flipping out over the uniforms, and I loved it. They end up being crap in blue. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for the set, Tom Tom shit. So then we're kellyn James are at home, and Rick how poor Raquel I mean, she can't even get a dog to like her. She's like, I know. You ran grandma and the dog is just like please just throw me off the balcony already the dogs like six times four bitch with wolf. So. Berry elitist. So which by the way, if you name your dog Graham, it's going to be elitist. So delicious cracker. I just bought some Graham crackers because I made him Graham cracker crust for key lime pie. Wow. Because I watched the great British baking show and someone made a key lime pie. And then I couldn't control myself. And I was like I need to make key lime pie. Was we also had amazing key lime pie in South Carolina. I refuse to watch that show because I just get fatter and fatter and fatter and fatter and fatter don't say pop overs help overs. So James is like sitting at the table drafting an apology letter letter to Randall, and I know he's not even serious about it because he's like handwriting it. And he's like, I'm like, I think anyone this is two thousand nineteen or two thousand eighteen they shot this like I think anyone's going to draft it on a laptop given your on notes usually zone. Yeah. Yeah, he's handwriting. And he's doing it like schoolwork. And he's you know, he's writing like I feel like every American rights now because we don't know how to write. Yeah. Who who writes things with a pencil, it's hard? Okay. My hands are like oh can't wait about the chandeliers Brel, my hands can't do it. But he's trying really hard and his drafting this letter, and he's like, this is bad. Okay. This is says so far since Randall. Everything I said, it's disrespectful. I'll take it back. That's not a good letter. That's not how it doesn't not how policy works. Remember what I said, you will fat you fat, man. I take it back love James Fatman deer fat, man. That man reminds us as I thought it just turns out I'm really skinny so everyone looks at me remember. Two lines ago. I take it back fat. Mom, did it again. Right. Matt. That man, I'm worried about the chandeliers. I don't know why. Repels because like all nervous because she's like has an opinion about something. Or the producers told her to say something, so she's like. James? You stood up for me. When lawless said disrespectful things about me. And now you're going to try to mend things with her lake. You guys are just going to become friends. No. Do you gonna go on like private? Time. And then one of them is supposed to do just sit here while you're having private Lalla time. I'm just supposed to sit here with gram grams like kill me. Now kill me quickly kill me painlessly. But just kill me. Now, someone needs to put some batteries inside Raquel. She seems to be shorting out a little bit. I know she's like she's like I have this like Star Wars the gun like jet I gun, and I made a it was like. But then the battery started to go go go start to run down. And that's where we're counts. Dicon? She's like I'm mad that you're going to mend things that Lama. She is disrespectful is. What am I gonna do? While you're up with Paula multiplication. We all know how that turned out. And he's like, okay. Then foreign I might be best featured LA La Land. Sees me from writing things throws it away. And then Tom to you comes in God. Always just had like a stiff upper lip where he's just like God. Or is he a fishery vote hawks style. He's like, wow. I don't wanna tell you anything or boss you around or anything like that. It's like he's doing a Jack Nicholson and personalization. Yeah. Jack, wink. Yeah. And he's like, oh, man. I just wanna go over the music for the big party. I mean, I'm not gonna tell you what to do. And he's like you con-, you'll my boss. Whoa. I'm all. Now. I've never been called that before. Wow. Okay. Go pick that up. Whoa. He's blue by the way, Tom looks like he's been drowned. He's got a blue blue tone to his flesh on what's going on. I just wanna po-point point these things out in case something does happen. People could say Ronnie saw the signs. Yeah. He's really dead early necrosis. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So he's like caught you know, he's sept- today for me. But it's like, you know, I mean, you're going to be good, right? I mean, I don't want to bring up something that's going to hurt eve at like, you're over the girls night thing. Right. And he's like, I'm not over it. But I'm not so to either. I mean, what am I supposed to ditch? My fucking noy. More Tuesday not show. Well, but why spun spun music next to a pizza oven Monot that was my life. And then. Perry asked me to come the girls. My and I was like thinking of going fucking Raquel what a hypocrite James flies off the handle. He's thing you're going. You're going oh, really that. I make friends with all up. You're going to go to goose night bunch of holes on a Baltic shots of the goddamn over ball. Yeah. He's just lowering. I mean, he is right because it is so hypocritical that she's making him tear up an apology letter to Randall. And then she's gonna go just like hang out like you hang out with all those girls when they're the ones who've done such like, they're the ones who like in his mind have done such terrible things to him. You know? Yeah. And she's like that line high and he's a it's quite a contradiction. Babe. She's like, I'm not going for LA LA. And that's my point. And I don't want to hang out with. Contradiction was and but foreign yet. What did I contradict? Oh my God. I haven't been to the doctors and so long it's like, no contracts. So he's like Tom number twos. Like for lax, bro. Don't get mad. I didn't mean to set you off a yes, you did Santa Ma. But it still funds. Thanks for doing it. So j like freaking out, and then he goes solves in the bathroom like, oh, babe. Because back in crying. And he's like a short thing. I'm losing my shit because you can go back to the girls, they earn their loss this shit again, which she does Tom immediately does. So I'm being content chess. Okay. I'm just having a conversation Montemar and Montalban confidence. That's yeah. That's that's like everything to do on Montemar onto mom, and I'm hate Gedi for I. Dude, you did it yourself. Don't scapegoat katie's like. On all of them. Almost move do about it. And drove McColl's on the ball must supposed to do. I'm not allowed to get drug. Okay. First of all. Yes. There getting drunk at work. I think that that's a given that you get drunk at work house. Could you work there? Okay. You have to be drunk, but they're not calling people like fat horse. Yeah. Don't make me sick for those bitches, please. Yeah. All they're doing is just basically making Sheena feel like shit. But you know, I think that's within their rights. Yeah. Making feel like sit on an ongoing basis. Yeah. Like, I think that's just sort of like when you when you start working at at, sir. One of one of the privileges is the ability to makes you feel like shit. Yeah. That's a nice thing. The right thing to do. But it's just something that comes with the job. Yeah. Just in general in West Hollywood when you see some when you hear somebody call Adam autumn for an over. He's injured disallowed hit them. Like, that's the only time you really Avantis violence. Yeah. So so scenic owes I just like thirsty scenic goes to the place at the biggest beverage sign I've ever seen. It's like this big. It's like. Like thirst thirst strap their threat for CMO. I know exactly. So she walks into career cafe or whatever it's like. Can I just join makihata like I really want extras have sex of the monkey. I don. Aftermath Tamaki Ottawa's named album. I talk I'm trying. Dontrelle anybody tell everybody haven't you heard have you heard? Oh my God. I totally hot Sykes with the automatic yacht is I don't know if you did you hear oh my God. You're great is almost as good. As is as my atom makihata hat. I'm so LA comes in and say, hey, baby, laughing your pretty face baby booboo baby Bill Shushi shoes. Since we three sweet. So she knows like flirting with this. Obviously gay your overlay predator is the people's hand that to your Allott, and he goes all the time. I was like gross. This town like serious blow it up just be done with this town gear Dabo has a ban bar. But she's turning to that mad TV character. He doesn't even know it, you know, come up on. Lady who's like all tanned? It's. Oh, yes. I don't remember. From TV from back of the day because I'm old who's right after I love Lucy. I'm worried about the Santa Leers. So they are meeting to theirs. Lot of laws like your China. It's like calling for every deck adverse like not everybody back. I ain't I'm not that's alarmed act talking about. I haven't new hard. Nobody tells about. Really, you don't know did no one tell you all my God. Like, I guess I just have to tell you. Okay. So this is hilarious allowed. What was? Why? Sounds like a garbage disposal. Our tax and then LA LA, LA, LA like great. So the reason I'm having coffee with us because no one will film with you. And I'm taking everyone to the mystical town of soul thing on the Pedes. You know? So, you know, I like eskimos fifty words for snow like ski, snow and scale and must Neil. So I have good words for private jets. PJ PGE Federal Mike follow up. Please stop, please. I'm still trying to like you. You know, what's weird like, I hate LA llama show. But Mike I like I like her. I think he's funny. I just I just my head's always in my aunt. I don't know. What this? I don't know what they know about LA LA. It's funny that makes me sad because I'm old. And so I see all lies a child like my niece that I should help raise. And if my niece came to me, and she's like, I'm blowing some fat guy for a ride on a private jet. Would I be happy that she's making an effort to pollute the earth more because you know, I love some police. Or like, how should I feel like okay? She blew this fat guy and in the terrible like straight to itunes movie. So that'd be proud. Like it still making an effort. I mean, I could blackouts away for free. So why not aim the blow job, you know? What? I mean. I'm just conflicted. Yeah. It's hard. I listening. Say about oh, you know. What's funny is that you're on TV party? Your your screen has unmined has been frozen for the past like ten minutes and frozen in this image of you, just like rolling. Like like this which has been great because it's like, it's really like hap Shire's like the spirit of anti-trump role. Both like watching it and being on. It it froze my soul. Yeah. Don't look. It also makes me feel like every time. I tell a joke just going does. It's my soul. What he wants? It is so lawless invite him pretty much all the girls to go on the peach to go up to solving which I think is hilarious because Billy Lee, she really see. She really died on the wrong hill. She died on the girls night hill, she needed to die on the PG hill. Like, that's like. It's like this is this is how the ban from bene- pump rules girls really act. It's like listen. You wanna know what it's like to be excluded. Okay. This is what it's like excluded. We're all going on a private jet on trip all expense paid without you. That's excretion all expenses paid to solving. I mean, it's like it's like really close you guys. And it's like some tourist hand you drink wine in. Okay. It's not really that big deal, but she's gone on a page at Disneyland. Like. You're on and off in five minutes. Can we take a patient zoos our banks, that's kind of my thing neuro? So basically, she's bringing her to bite her. But also to try and warn her that, she's really annoying. Everybody hates her. And she started. Yes. Playing in a way that that doesn't sound to mean, you know, she's like the like I've absorbed that with me India like we can like totally talk about whatever we want like if you want to go on and on about adamant sesame, and like, you know. You know, your poor boyfriend who has who owns nothing that flies. I mean, that's fine. I can take it. But you know, when you're with the other girls. Yeah. The mother tells us I can see why the other girls think that she's a little annoying because she's a little annoying, Mike. Yeah. We get we get flashbacks of talking incessantly about rob which was really wonderful for all of us. And then says now she starts to choke up. She's like it's just like I said, I've been trying really hard to have a friendship with Kristen kittens dossier, and like I don't know like we used to be like so close. And like, I it's crazy. I'd like I saw like miss it. Poor shida. She goes to the cycle. Like, this is what like we're going on like fifteen years of this cycle of like. Yeah. Defiantly against the mean girls, and then but secretly wanting their approval, and then she found becomes friends with them. And then she falls out with them and she gets angry at them. And then she wants to be back with him again. Well, she becomes friends with them when they need somebody in there fighting with each other. And then they totally use her in the second pick at their friend back there like by bitch, Tom yet, immediately dumper. So I was like, oh, she shoo shoo, she's usual. You just can't win. I having on number. Why? And she's like, and you never will you just like. Yeah. Just just underlying that part get union never ever will never accept you never gonna win with those girls or scrabble. Yeah. We're very basic people's met. People magazine prospered. Just never gonna win never gonna win. So Jackson tomor next and they're talking to their, sir. Jack girls night in. Yeah. Oh, wait. Sorry. I skipped I'm sorry. I saw Katie. And I immediately just get something. So Jackson Brit are pretending that they're like totally newlyweds. Again. I really this Jackson Brits Brit thing. I need to stop. I need them. They're awful or so. Meet your backpack. Maybe that kissing where it's like twenty closed mouth kisses in a row. I hate them. I'm sticking to get rid of them. They're terrible. Like, I'm not into this Jack's re rehab campaign like image rehab, and meanwhile, another part of the bar Schwartz's talking to Stasi about how he like went and saw James and James is reaction to the whole thing. And he's like, yeah. You know, I told jeans about girls night in and like he really starts to flip out like all girls night in now is my night at cetera. And I was like, you know, what's funny that Schwartz. Totally did not say the partner James were James said, all hey, Katie. I you so much because Schwartz knows at the moment that he says that James said that it'd be like, and what you say did you defend me what you do. Which of course, he really did not do it all also James. I don't think that James said horse on the bar. I was joking about that in the scene before he said slots on the part. He did. No. He said he said like that'd be like, oh, we're showing up in as like girls and over showing up launch. And lingerie. Like slutsky and drunk or something like that. I didn't know he sits. Let's I remember him saying like we're showing they're showing up drinking wasted on the bar. But I don't remember him saying, that's but then. Yeah, Tom's like, yeah. And he said those horse on the bar of why are you doing that? Like, why don't you just starting shit? You're such an asshole he shows up trying to be not to pretend these nice to jeans, and then he totally gives them up. And then he tries to look like the good guy again where he's like. Oh, but I really feel bad for him. Oh, that's great. Because you just told all these girls who are totally hating on him. They called them a horse mice, Tom. Yeah. Exactly in katie's like, I don't really care how James's feeling he doesn't get about how I'm feeling. So why should I give a fuck if he'd said? Yeah. Which is how I feel every time. You talk about falling through a skylight. You haven't asked us how we feel. So why should we care about your skylight? So then when you were sixteen I might add before everybody gets all pacey. So then I loved that. She totally wasted all that goodwill to because the memory of people that it's like, okay. Do you can just say she fell through a skylight one time, it has post traumatic stress syndrome, and that's why she was a bitch for year, which was such bullshit. And screw all of you who yelled at me online about that. Because now look here. She is right back to being her horrible south. And then she's already forgotten it like okay now, I'm at the kickin. Thankfully, you know, that that runs in the family in this cast because you know, I don't wanna see people grow. I want to see them grow old and fat. Yeah. It's time for commercial. It's time for. Is your home like mine clutter with stuff you don't use anymore? Clothes and shoes, you know, where to valuable closet space old phones hiding in a drawer, toys and games at the kids aren't interested in anymore. You know, what I'm talking about girls? Let me tell you about an app you can use to self this. It's called Macari Macari. It's selling got that makes it fast and easy to sell almost anything. Well, honestly, it couldn't be simpler, you take a few picks your stuff at a description, and boom you item is listed. Then once it's sold. Macari emails. You a shipping label, and you just stick it on and send it off. No meet ups. No Astles like, nobody. Okay. 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It was it was a very like it was like Tinsley Ethan area, the tensely it's like Tinsley. If Tinsley were worried about chandeliers, I'm so I don't know what I'm putting on my neck anymore. I'm just putting things that distract from the chandelier. Wait about chandelier. Oh tinsley. Oh, so Jack's he's not cooked out at all. It's like it's going to be great night for Tom. Tom Hughes Daily Mail. So Vander pumpkins, and she's like oh about the Santoli as much meat drawer. Now, make me something extraordinary. I've brought in on. It's on the nil on the loop. So that means business. I love the band or pump is consistent with her fake props. Yeah. Mindy lau. On velu. I am a businesswoman on I carry Manila, envelopes filled with business and business such here's a business. He business business signs with your business pain and having backtra me over his career. Tom sandovol? Tom Schwartz guest. What's in this Manila? Envelope is it money. No. It's business unit. Put business in business business envelopes. And she's like normally with such a tiny little thing like five for centers. I liked to do business on the hand shake, but they insisted on April. Of course, you, of course, you want to do sit on a handshake, no more associated. No, ma'am. You say box. Yeah. We I guess we should address that. There was this whole thing that came out over the past week. Then knee leaks is claiming that she wanted to buy pomp and that Lisa Vanderbilt told her not to buy pump. And then Lisa Vanderbilt point and bought pump. This is what Leany claims on the Jenny McCarthy show, she acts apparently she when she first mentioned it. She accidentally said of at least a Renna who she had a beef with. And she's like, no, no it wasn't lease at least they've had to pump. But this is like the the oddest thing. And I don't know if I truly believe it. I can't imagine Lisa. I mean Niimi deciding that she all of a sudden just wants to buy a bar on the corner of Robertson, and Santa Monica boulevard. It's the block that Lisa already has a restaurant on first of all. So you at least is going to be a real housewives of real housewives of Beverly Hills who owns a restaurant with the show based on it on that block. And isn't thinking, oh, maybe I'll expand to gain yobbo maybe make a gay bar. I'm sure Meany, whatever. And then he was also like it was like this hovel that was in disrepair. I was like it was a Java. Detour I think it was a fully functional. He's making she made it sound like it's his empty piece of land, which it was not it never has. It was it was a string of shit businesses until Pontiac over. And the only reason it successful. Now is because it has a TV show attached to it where people think they're going to see stars needy wouldn't keep that shit open. Second for. No, no, no. I can't even Madge. What he would put in there. But it would be a full on disaster could. Yeah. No, I d believe that she would say something like I saw. Place at least it would go take you. I do believe that she would do that. But I don't believe that Lisa got this idea that open this restaurant just because Niimi wanted to. That's yeah. That's ridiculous. Lisa be shady and steal it. Yes. Of course me. The way that meaning puts everything she's like she's sitting there with this dog that won't even crawl the count even crawl. She said something like that. Fight. We didn't know we needed here. It is. I know exactly it was so ridiculous across over fight over pump. So so LaLa, meanwhile, isn't biting Arianna, install see on the girls trip up to solving. And I was like I just really wanna get you got guys like just like white girl wasted skill. You know, and we're just gonna like fuel the J and like on up there are I really don't like cars. So we're going to take to PGE what's the point of flying private plane. If you don't even have time to enjoy the amenities, you know. I don't know. I think it's it's gross. I think the whole thing is Chris. Party bus, and he can like have phone biking on the pole and just laugh, whatever as opposed to like, I don't I don't know. I see the future, and it's just not bright. You know, what I mean by now, you're bragging about you're going to be trying to make the bus sound like it's the best thing ever in a few years when he finds another like skinny little LaLa who's twenty something years old, you know, but he did it before patterns, okay patterns guy. And then install see singlehandedly like makes the beehive just crumble into itself when she's like I feel like beyond saying now, I'm leg who run the world girls going to Seoul, hang together. Laker wasted. Did. Good. So let's just like I retire. I retire. Yeah. I retire. I'm back. I'm retired. I'm back. She goes on tour with well. Ma bell. So Tom, Tom Bilbao tom-tom Nichelino Bill. So she's like we out have everything ready for a huge less reaced party, everything in-laws home of the bar Sunday. Sandy like, there's not even some of their name, sandy. She just become totally delusional at this point. My bad. Just sent me forward forward. Young ventriloquist. What a talent. Thanks, dad. Glad I have notifications turn bond. So calm. I mean, at least it's not something like political bullshit. But still I'm like, I know my dad said he they're like, Ronnie, really Ronnie will love this ventriloquist this Dirani. It could be political. You know, you never know who's running for office. These days you get tricked a ventriloquist shutting office. So anyway, she's like I didn't say that earlier. I did say that I didn't say that. My dad. Sorry. Anyway, before hours, three minutes twenty nine seconds and the party, and the chandeliers still very worried. Tom. Can you believe we're creating the first drinks ever served? Poor Pandy never gets credit for anything and doors sitting at home, cutting your thighs, and why didn't they let and come over and help, you know, she's probably buying on candidate. It's fine. She's not find you know, she was outside there like cleaned the inside of the dump step and Dora while the boys take credit for him, and you food of your drinks I like Pandora fills her days with like random. Like dole activities like perusing, the Harry and David catalogue, and then calling their customer service at an at enquiring about a basket. And if the basket can be shipped to Florida, and then deciding that she may be doesn't want ship to Florida after all, but thanking them for their help anyway, and she's like guess what Jason called having David today. And I found that they do in fact shift to Florida, but I didn't commit to it yet. Like, wow when interest commenting on like macaroni, close like how to find the perfect Kyla for the green macaroni. And I find that. It's much easier with the past statue oil older. The fat does affect the Joe are thinks she actually probably does that. I mean, maybe she's like, you know, maybe she's just like bringing back the divine addiction. You know? Maybe that's like maybe it's time for a relaunch. Fiction. Anyway, then we get a Nissan by Trixie Monaco because the chase NFO the Bryce on gonna win first place growl, those Pindar probably wrote that one or I'll sing it. Sing it only because a lot Pandora. It's not good song or K. Pennzoil you have to you have to be you have to be Upendra on. Okay. Paul sixty percent. Of those lyrics were mine. The others were Pandora's. Lisa said that I'd be able to write all the songs for the show. And next thing. I know she's handing over skull songwriting duties, depend Dora. It's just not wrong with your Lear airbags artistry takes time Lisa so Jackson, brick go to some lobster place or whatever. And then we get this other scene where we're supposed to feel bad for jacks. I e starts with like, I'm going to be bloated coming out of here sodium overload, sodium, how you know eskimos have different words for fifty different words for igloos or whatever. How many do you guys? Have for coke. So far have pasta, and sodium, and you know blow. I only learned about cook blow last night. No joke. Really? I'm actually surprised. I haven't learned it already based on like all the various discussions of inappropriate, but I had no idea about coq blow. And then I was like I can't wait to tell Ronnie. And then I was like Ronnie probably already knows. Yeah. I figured but like I was really excited to learn about it. I was like oh my God. Like Jack's makes so much more sense now. Yes, I understand coke blow tonight decided regular Blute was the way from him. One thing. I don't need another thing that blitz me. Yeah. How about I'll go with my subway sandwiches bloat? Yeah. Yeah. So Jackson Brittany are there. And he's like, wow. Last year my thirties. And she's like, you'll be mainly rain. We'd band next year. He's like, oh, yeah. I guess I'll be married. Jack's is one of those disgusting people who needs a year to celebrate that he's gonna turn forty. It's the last year my thirties. Thirties lesser being single for their. Yeah. Brimming? I hope you heard the keywords that. This is excuse to cheat on you for the Mexican for the next year when competence last year, my thirty nine. And then Jackson Britney being the expert entrepreneurs that they are like, you know, all we should have proper beer cheese or. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This would have been a great place. Oh, next time. We gotta bring it like beer cheese, lobster beer, like, you know, it's all it all happens. Yes. Coagulated velveeta decec- him to throw it in the microwave to taste your beer cheese. You'll weirdos said Jenny calls and she's like, oh my God. Or or his sister. To what she's be. I like that. She spoke just like Kristen. We worked. I'd be okay to you. I'll be day to you. Look like a monkey and you smell like went to. But. I associate calls, and she's like, but what about mom does. She call you. And he's like, no, she's texted me. She said to me, but you know, me because it'd be used she calls me what Ajax due to his mother. Let's stop pretending that his mother is some horrible villain. He did something to Jack. I'm only hearing Jackson side of the story, and guess what? I'm not buying Kate Jackson Jackson's full of some bullshit. And you know, he did something to that poor woman after taking care of that bad with cancer for all this time. And now he's trying to bad mouth or on national TV and looking make her look bad. And she being a Beth knees mother and going off and selling stories about what a shithead Jackson. No, she's not. She's staying quiet, which proves that. She's a good mother. You're an asshole Jack's shame on you, sir. Yeah. It does this whole thing about how like every birthday the first person would call would be my dad every birthday the first person. Call was my mom, and is it and she would call and just tell the story of my birth. And she would just start in saying. I was thirty eight years ago, and I was having contractions, and I went to the hospital I gave birth to you and this year all she did was say happy birthday. I was like, you know, maybe she got tired of the story. Maybe she's like I want update my content stole those cars out of the garage. That's my theory. Yeah. And then he goes his historian is okay. She would tell the same story every year on my birthday got it fucking hot outside your dad was having some coffee, Mike. Oh my God. It's just like Jesus's birth like the saddest romanticize story ever and Jackson's like when you were born. Okay. That's what I remember. Yeah. It was hot and swampy. And he's like, and he's basically like I dunno. I feel like my mom's reach out to me. I mean like on the child I'm like, this is this is actually like this is some jacks philosophy. This is what this is what I think probably has like this is what has ruled his life. Well, I mean, I'm the child which is probably why he does. All this shit is that he still sees himself as a child, and he's like, I just don't understand why she's so angry. I'm like, your hair, son. Why wouldn't she be angry? No. I mean, he understands why she'd be angry God. But. Yeah. I'm just not buying this from tax. And I think it's of course, so sad that he lost his dad. I'm not saying anything about that. I'm just not going to believe Jackson half ass story. We all know, what Jackson is huge ax is when Jack's just leaves out the whole story. I just don't understand, you know, I'm just not really happy about how the cancer was dealt with. Well, you know, maybe you could have been there and help how about that. Well, I think what what he was saying before is that his mom was always saying that everything's fine. Everything's fine. And then he find out that his dad died, and that he didn't have a chance to say goodbye. And that was his issue, which I think if that's true like that. I mean for sure that would definitely like I can imagine having a lot of anger, but I just never trust Jax. I like missing rise. If that's not actually what happened. There's something missing here people so over at Thome speaking of something. Shandon? So the most important thing in a restaurant the chandeliers are up. So that's good. There's some food or toilets or water at Lisa's gutter. Chandeliers? I want to swing for Michelle ley as she's. Sexual t face the corner. When I sing this home put this black and white cookie and your age while I sing this home. I want who's we he from us Attlee. So she's like nothing is ready. And then the Thomson writing around and Tom number ones, like not even joyless heat on that toilet number tea's. Like, that's okay. It's like doing. It's not okay. And then there's like an air conditioner league. And then leases there knock is ticking. And we see a shot of nickel lane trying to fix like the big clock. She goes, no, even the clocks not to gang. It's broken bid clock. Even a broken bird is wrong twice a month. I'm realizing this entire Baha is just one big broken third. And now, I'm the happiest lady in West Hollywood. So then my favorite talk that guest list. Yeah. Yeah. What were you gonna say your favorite? I'm sorry. I hit my favorite part of the entire episode was Schwartz was cleaning toilet. And I don't know if this is right after a right before whatever. So he's he's claiming a toilet. And he's like, oh, maybe this will be my soul duty at Tom. Tom just to clean the toilet. This is what I'm best suited for and then he'd like knocks into like, the tampon sort of disposal, whatever and he's like, oh, shoot INC this. What's that for tissues? Less him less than art music. Totally the type of person you're like handed business to you just business. Just give it to them. So the guest list that guest list, it is very important daily may on party. So do you not tell your friends, and she's like left? We bought it pointed it is very important polity. Lisa Vanda pumps, had do not tell your friends. It is a very important part in other Daily Mail bullet points. Yeah. I didn't get it at first. But once I did, I really enjoyed it. In bullet points. Lisa said, she shall do this meeting in bullet point picker shove, Lisa and under. It says Lisa doing this meeting in bullet voice favorite part about this. She goes okay now would be at the door and she'll be standing by. I love you idea of like Sheena sandy by Sheena standing by. I'm ready when you aren't you. I am standing by. She knows any by come. Adam has lime dam. On this. She's like don't invite your friends and Tom's lake will I mean, obviously, like, Katie and Ariana, you know, I hope Katy by the really special Laura Ashley dress it doesn't fit properly for this. And we've got to have her like, oh, all right when I left my Katie eighty in. Tea's like won't, you know? Obviously jacks. This birthday. It's like, oh, let him come. But only because it's the first birthday since his father passed away. Do not come to me about forty water. I won't have it. Oh, he's such a broken bits. Of course. Brittany can calm like on. Also, we invited stocks. The and I guess we also invited at Christmas. No, no, Kristen, absolutely. Not I draw the line and Kristen no, no wenches at this body. Hi, karma, K Kerman karma. So that the door Kristen, this is also be a really great lesson to Billy to know that like you being disinvited or not included in girls night is really a way of like showing that you've been totally accepted on this TV show because everyone gets excluded at some point. And here here's happening again. I earned that. Ugh. So starts at home, and Bo is trying to steam her pants, which is really cute. And he does an almost successful job until he gets what are all over it. And she just talking about how she just loves him. And that he's like he shows his love, and he's the best boyfriend yada, yada, yada. He came to the crappies, and he was super sweet. Did you get to talk to him at all? By the way. He's really nice. He was like. Themm boyfriends? Tell me they have off me this boyfriend shows me he allows me. Yeah. Just perfect right in time for Valentine's Day. Love means never having to ask if you'll see my clothes just fucking do it. How about that? That's love. Yes. And then we have then we see Katie getting ready and she's with her dog. She's holding her dog ups saying how like ooh like, Tom busy working. So she has to go alone or whatever. And I realized that the first time that even her dog looks like ranch dressing. Like walking in stress right up dr- ranch dressing on account. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So Laura Ashley dressed Hochner dog. And she's like. He's busy opening bar? No one else will sue with me. Because I mean, everybody is like this is what this show needs. More of Katy just sitting in her house and terrible. Clothes nothing doing left. So meanwhile, Kristen's getting already she's lung. Nine hundred town the Daily Mail party. She's all excited, she hit colder. What are you gonna do tonight? He's like, I don't know. Maybe I'll go out. Maybe I'll stay in. I don't know. It's a great card. I'll skip to see you still have not developed any personality after like four years on the show. I know he needs to go shoot with Katie seriously, the equal equal personalities. So she gets a text. I guess telling he can't come sick. Ooh. I sent that you're doing something because I couldn't hear you flopping around in your chair, but you're still frozen in that same look on TV party. Like, I'm just like. I'm just like, oh talks. Yeah. She's a slamming around random. You're not Kristen gets matched the pencil now. Says she's slamming grandma thinks he's not really even asking her. What's wrong says 'cause you know, he's learned to just not ask that because he'll be there forever. So he just keeps playing with the dog. And she's like, really good. Glad I got ready for no reason, you're ninety again is that just the thing for this season. Everybody's just gonna wear ninety wherever they go. Yeah. She's like literally everyone's going to be there. But me everyone, but me. Karma bec-. Thank you. So let's see. Choking up to. That's the best part is that after being indignant. Then she starts like fo- like emotional moment. Like shoulder roll folderol of so excited. I was proud of them. I just I just believe what to see the space and just won't grant. It'd be like, ooh. Ooh, I totally flu this girl in just to confront Tom about possibly impregnating Vegas. No. I don't even get to do it. I went to west ticket. Yeah. People online are like I felt South Africa, Creston, really you. Do how many people is Kristin gotten kicked out or unaccepted at parties? This is fucking karma. Okay. The only thing better was would be like not like Kadian. Don't be that would be my favorite. Oh my God. That'd be amazing. Yeah. I thought it was hilarious that Christian didn't get invited. Or she got disinvited. She had to sit there and have a temper tantrum in front of a guy doesn't even understand like like ususally glazed over, you know, like like a tangent. That was like wasted on eyeballs. She's like, well, I mean, I guess definitely had some incidents, sir. And then they show. Oliver incidences are just adding of telling Diana eat a dick and just like being awful, he goes. But that was like forever ago. It's like a babe you just brought some how to pride to yell to like out James. And then started a huge fight in the restaurant. What are you talking about? It was like literally two weeks ago. And you're like literally when she says that was forever ago that producers Eric clip of her throwing water James is faith ten months ago says under there why? Why are you so obsessed with me Lisa? You do so many so much goodness world. But that's the hobby. You hold onto like trying like old people jokes. That's really gonna help you Harris. Like, I'm already on that. Please. Yes. Ma listen to Christian and follow my knitting Pinterest. I'm trying to figure out how to knit pillow that looks exactly like the statue green. Macaroni on my new weekly the divine knit diction at bummy. The day the mecca room sin. Book shopping puplic shop. So choose to Tom, Tom. Over. Tom number two has uniforms in crap ins blue, and they're basically setting up. So then PD James comes in with his setup and Peterson go show, you what we're going to set you up in and he takes him up to the second floor kitchen this restaurant, by the way for any restaurant worker. They know this this looks like bloody hell this restaurant. Yeah. I mean, it looks horrible. You have to go up to the second floor to get all your food to tiny little kitchen the deejay booth is a little hole in the wall on the second floor. Yeah. And and so the issue is that there's this little cubbyhole that's supposed to be the deejay booth. But there's no outlets up there and God forbid anyone walks three blocks down to Kuhn's hardware to get an extension cord. Okay. So how? James? So James like, basically, they're like. Yes. DJ in the closet. It was like a little like office closet and James he creates a seat from quilted northern packages. Like he's literally sitting on toilet paper with his turntables on like a bucket in the office at a city. They're DJ -ing. And at first I thought like okay that's going to be like the joke. But then they're going to figure it out. And then they're gonna get it set up. But no the rest of the episode. He's in there sitting on quilted northern DJ. It was it was like one of the reasons why I love this show moments like this that are just sheer perfection, and I want a trivial pursuit game to come out. That's about like Vanderbilt rules, trivial pursuit and like a question. That's like at the tom-tom opening DJ James had to sit on what? And I will be like quilted northern and my token bullet. Yeah. They didn't go get an extension cord, and then I'd like to Peter just is no help at all. You know? Everyone's like Peter's, the only one who works. First of all I've been waiting on by Peter. He's extremely breathed. If like, I mean, he's always there. I'll give him that. He does go to work, but I just love his problem solving skills. So the problem were facing here. There's like, no outlet. So what do you think about that next? Peter. Yeah. For all that effort. So yeah, they shove him back in the back room. And then Tom TOMS are getting dressed in their matching did you and I have to say the music that played as they transition from upstairs with Peter to the tomtoms. There was this music that I sorta God there was only one lyric and lyric was Sheena. It was like debt that and Sheena did to Sheena. I was really hoping you'd hear that too. It's like, I'm. I'm dropping minute track. It's called Sheena standing by. She know standing, but Gina damning, but she on money is blowing out. It's like Marco Polo with seaman autumn, Gino. Out of out of. So then the are getting dressed in the bathroom. And once again, you know, it's an important event. And all I can think is Tom number two. Never takes a shower for anything. Okay. I mean, I guess if he didn't take shower for his own wedding. He's not going to go take one for this. But it's not that he didn't take a shower for his wedding. He didn't take a shower for his wedding after having rolled around in a river. Well, this is like working in sweating all day, no air conditioning. And then just throwing on the suit bad. Of course, the river. What I think is actually even worse. Yeah. I'm just going to say that is more like paramount and stuff. Okay. I'll give you that one feeling generous today. Thank you is worse than regular sweat market there. Because he probably sweated after the river to you know, so even had yet sweat and river, compounded grossness. So they're getting dressed and ascent of bro. I touch might nuts after touching a holiday pain, yo buyer. They're on fire Brown. Oh, which I wanted I did laugh at but I I'm not gonna lie that happened to me once. And it was really really concerning. L is like I can't believe I'm the guy. Just did that. You don't want to go through that. You're not let's go do some homes. So they're doing that. They add a t to it in on thirty one seconds twenty nine twenty eight twenty seven m-. So now, Molly owns, but we add a t to it. And then we get five percent of peace. My percent of Buddhism. So or he said it was Hindu. I don't know. So the party finally it's time for the party daily mad party. And this is when we actually energy the Daily Mail TV rep who talked about before and just to this poor lady. She just like she's just she just has this big smile on her face. I kept leap this actually works. I'm only an internet daily about. And I said, let's do a Tom, Tom. And I said, yes, I Bohm your George. Like, the drinks work. That's all that matters. Everything's cry. And I saw so they better have paid mighty prettily for this party that they get to be on camera and have the Daily Mail said over and over again on camera. Oh T. Yeah. Daily Mail TV party even thinking to section of the daily, man. Even better went into subsets. Shown, y'all sina? Everyone starts arrived. Just throw anti Daily Mail TV rep crazy smile. Around and watch it like five times just smiling seen as the first arrive MLS. She's use after through Tiv on God. I love the color scheme on the Avalon. Like, you said it's the exact same color scheme with every other restaurant. You work at over there late. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They're all just showing up and like, oh my God. I'm I got gotta least grade and kitties. Like, this is going to be our central perk. I was like shoot me now, please central perk. It's our peach pit. No max is whatever I'm like. It's the place is great. I I really liked tom-tom in watching this. Maybe wanna go back and hence more cocktails there. But I'm just like it's like, I don't know. I just feel like that this'll be our central perk. It's just. She's so basic. So then basically everyone arrives. And it's like literally, basically everyone arrives dress. Basically, I'm really being caddy all of a sudden this Katie does to me see I have a different Kate has different affecting me. I internalize my feelings about eighty and then I just see them out on everyone else. Everyone was based like at that party. Which is not true. Yeah. Well, that's what you're supposed to do with Katie. That's what she's here for beat ragging on, Katie. Okay. And I don't feel guilty because it's what they do to Sheena. I mean, that's what I do the Sheena too. But I guess what? The what's the point of guilt? Don't my God. Moral quandaries? Yeah. Yeah. They'll send me into my shame spiral. Okay. So then Vander prompt is like, ooh, it has come to fruition. Eight is magical, and katie's like that guy that drank it, basically, she says hi to the girls think kiss her ass a lot and stuff. Yeah. And she's out. And I was like talking about Mike food reviews. She means drunk, which I like, I'm getting blotto. So then then we see my favorite is like the hell like look up James, and he's in his little cubbyhole, and he's just waving late this like a little kid like at least. Hello in Katie. I don't wanna work with James that Sarah. I don't mind drinking tom-tom while he's locked in a closet at. I think that's fair. I think that's totally. I won't take from Katie. Yeah. I mean, one of the things with James we talked about it. At least I talk about it a lot like, you know, how I think he's a really interesting character because he's so awful. But then we see a lot of -bility in this. And that and I think one of the things that always works for James is that when he's like when he's being asked like Huck, but when he's being contrite, he they they're able to frame him as like this little boy, and he's just like in his little blazer like in a cubbyhole waving above like like, it's so nice. He gets step after his bedtime to play songs on his CD, blah. You know? Yeah. We also see how he actually DJ's because he runs to he runs to the cubbyhole presses play on I tunes. And then runs back out goes he's doing is. So that is so promptly DJ's is on a knee streak. I'm on behaving streak. Hey. Shonda? So checks has his obligatory scene with Fanta pumper, he pretends like he hasn't been yelling at her for five weeks. And she looked gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. All that. So she's like she's like happy birthday to you broken inside. Yeah. Can you believe it? I'm thirty nine. Like vetting on. I've at least forty seven by now. Wow. Telling me, oh, mother has cold. And he's like, Nope. Victim quite a bit about it this morning. Phil crying about it. Again. Do it get out like your mom did call? You said your mom called and just just had like very like. Oh, she texted. Yeah. She texted. She didn't call. She just texted birthday. Oh, well, fine. And at least that of course, that's awfully says broken bird alarms on your day. You knew EGF year from your mommy Vendola happy about they I know nothing, but they it, but I'm putting on banking this one for the future. Justin, gave me, and my mom had this really special tradition of calling each other on our birthdays, Mike, we call each other. Let it go to voicemail, and then give it fifteen minutes and call the other one back, and then let that one go to voicemail, so we can both we've called each other on our birthday and said happy birthday into the voice mail. Yeah. Deal with it. You know? Yeah. Cut from the same. Ron. That's great. That's nice. It's very very emotional guys. Like very emotionally fulfilling. Yeah. So then a big drama happens. Oh my God. We ran out of aqua Fava. Oh my God. So I hadn't heard about this. Maybe you have aqua fob, which is using. Did you know back AFA? I mean, yes. Because I was begin for like one second chaos like vegan for a year. And so I had to learn all this ship. I'd never heard it called aqua Fava. I've never heard that me. But yeah, I tried the chick pea chickpea water leftover in the candidate like grow slimy, discussing shit McCann. And that you're supposed to use it for all different kinds of. I'm sure that it's a substitute for edgewise. I mean, give me a break. We'll I garden uses it in her HAMAs, and it's wonderful on that lead like chickpea ju. Yeah. But like this whole drama of like, yes, they basically ran up Aquaphor on Trump's. I like I knew should have had Morlock Rafah. So then he goes over to pavilions across three in like runs back with a little bag. And then he goes up stairs has everyone like opening up to PBS draining them while James is like fanning himself, he's like following the the what he called those fans when they when they rotate like that, you know. A very strange like virgin segment about opera Falbo. Yeah. And then they have to like open all of the things and then Lance mash shows up. He has Jenny face father. Yeah. Speaking of viscous chickpea lake. Enter Laos pass. Lisa is drunk as hell and you being so nice to the Tom. She's like. I got it got head cat tap knew. It was she not being abusive to us lethal, mashed. Yeah. And she's like, oh, thank you, Kim Marion says oscillating on TV party. This is why it's nice to have tea party up. Because when you forget a word people at right there ready to fix it. I'm not sleeping off letting fans standing by. So yeah. So Lisa trunk. And I think I forget what they ask her like did you have fun tonight or did you, and she's she said something like, I'm happy or I liked it. And she like shrugged her shoulders up. And like she also likes to critique out. She's like like, you can tell like that's the look that she tries so hard never to portray spend years and years. But now that she's drunk. She let it out and everyone loved it. Because I was like oh my God Lisa's wasted. At first gosh, you know, her being drunk is such a compliment because she feels comfortable enough that we're handling it says she can get drunk. I think she's already just resigned or fact herself to the fact that this is a restaurant with like, no food, no water and no air conditioning. Like what else are you gonna do? Yeah. About to say, she's either she's either getting drunk 'cause she finally feels comfortable in your hands or she's getting drunk because she knows she's in your hands. Yes. Project runway Thursday March fourteenth cut. Wait. Arches crazy. I'm you've got the Mexican dynasties coming. We got runway. We got real housewives of New York. We got summer house. We got marriage medicine, Los Angeles and probably like five other different shows March on crap ins, it's gonna be loot as. So Lalanne Saucier talking and they're just like marveling over this and Llamas like, oh, my God Shishou like their Tom, and Tom they have their names on a building in West Hollywood. I'm like this is not like the mall in DC. Okay. It's not like there's like a a branch of this myth. Sonia has tom-tom on it. It's like a bar chichi Larue was there before them. Okay. And if you don't teach Li ru is maybe Google it because you might be at work, but like star biggest industry in the country. Thank you very much time. I'm just saying there used to be place called millions of milkshakes down the street and Tom com. Tom Tom are like main famous like coons? They have joined the Coon says and the Mickey's of West Hollywood. Like Denny's their Famas, no, admittedly, if there had been a restaurant up in in West Hollywood called Ben and Ronnie is I mean, I'd be shooting my pants them. We call it Ron and we've got a building, but Hippocratic oath. So they've got their they're so impressed with themselves that here they are sitting in a restaurant named Tom. Tom has dossiers like I mean, what is up I'm thirty. Okay. I'm about to go on a private jet. Like, this is crazy like we're going to soul Vang like this is the life. I mean, they have their names on a building. And we're going to Seoul. Then we are going about one hundred and twenty miles away to acute. Danish town like what is this live like apple skewers like soul thing? Like, I feel like I'm being turned sideways, and that's a pun on the movie sideways, which I also have seen 'cause what is. This life of God says Kristen seeing that because next week. She's like, I think we're lows like the basic pitch of wine, which is so from sideways. I love when people get their like wine snobbery from independent movie from like ten years ago. That's that's the only place you should get your winds not from Alexander Payne film, starring Paul Giamatti and Virginia Madsen guy from wings. So the girl from killing eve. Oh, yes. Of course. So then stocks are inserting who knows someone with money that's on anything, some Muller's cry. So then they cut to Kristen crying on her bed and sniffling and only the dogs will be nice to her. I know because this is on the heels of saucy also saying like we are the best group of friends and the docking world like we're the most fucked up, but awesomely great best group of friends do everything together all the time and the Christian just like spaghetti. Ooh. Goodie? Ooh. I'm just sitting here with my bullet spaghetti hugs. I'm just a girl with a bowl of pasta standing in front of a boy asking him to get the fuck out of the way. So then Katie and Tom katie's like, wow. Look you have a sign. He's can you believe it Bubba? And then areana in Tom do the same thing. And it's like romantic, so nice. And everybody's feeling great. And like all this positive energy. You know, what show second Dake, I'm not watching the show for you guys to achieve your dreams, almost we're who told you that people were watching this because we wanted to see what chief things and be happy. And then while upstairs James is he's like doing what you were saying before he's like a Wiki Wiki Wiki closet, and then like to the cubbyhole holding a B's, Abe's closer, close acquitted north of the bees a Beezer and then Jack's comes upstairs, and he's like he's like are you in a closet? I mean, there are so many things I wanna say right now. But I'm not going to because I'm a nice guy. I'm the number one guy this group just like almost more nibble. I understand the Jake. I it's funny. It's funny. It's funny and Jackson's like, so can I get you a cocktail isn't now on drinking? Okay. You wanna cocktail drinking? I'm nights. Guy cocktail. I don't wanna get you in trouble. Anything you want? Cocktail. Yeah. Can I tell everybody that you're taking cocktails of? And I love that. They're joking to each other about being in the closet where James was just living with that fucking creepy guy who's probably blowing for rent and Jackson was living with that Miami. That gay Miami guy for years and being like his concubine in my. Yeah. In Miami, or whatever. Oh you to do. So then. Yeah. Base. The episode talking about Thomas, well, your pride and my right? I'm no longer read about the chandelier. Yes. So then. Yes. So Tom Narayana talking like, dude. My two fever years are two thousand fourteen and this year. Also, I like two thousand seventeen because that's when I crashed my head into a pool at Katie 'cause Orleans wedding. And that brings us to the end of Fanta pump. Every thank you so much for being here on LTV party. If you want these video, we'll be back tomorrow with below deck on TV party. If you want the after play videos, just get a patriot. And that's one of our patriots sections, go get your tickets for tax is we'll be there Friday and Saturday, go get your damn tickets. Good watch crap in dot com. Don't forget that Friday night is jersey and Saturday night is the real housewives of Dallas season. 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