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Episode 186 | Daniel Strauss | The Billionaire Mindset

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40:28 min | 2 months ago

Episode 186 | Daniel Strauss | The Billionaire Mindset

"Once again it is. What's involved so good to have you along with us. I've got an exciting guest on this particular episode and it's one i'm not gonna lie. I've been trying to take him down for a while. Because i had the book thrust at me and said you can change your life. You have to read the book. So i said okay. I will read the book and it came from a couple of companies in somebody that sexy implemented some of the mindset secrets in this book. So who is he he is. Daniel strauss daniel david. Thanks so much opportunity. It's an absolute pleasure. I'm i'm so looking forward to check together because hopefully you're gang to be able to on a lot of questions that i think a lot of people have but before we get onto the book and the book is called billionaire mindset okay now radium. Gang billionaire haven't even got my hit around millionaire but that's why you write the book one of the reasons so we're going to talk about that but tell me a little bit about daniel because you didn't start off wealthy and you didn't wake up wealthy day. You had what. I would term a fairly normal upbringing. Talk to me about that. Things david is. I grew up in. The small town goes caboose in the northern cape. My dad is a farmer. And i can remember always just wanted. Opportunities are always read about the children in the big school zoo. Go on international drips and they do the athletics on thoughts on tracks and stuff. I mean we. We read on gravel ex Then i studied industrial engineering. Stellenbosch university Later on i didn't in be a. And somehow i just i wanted to know how the big guys do it. How is it possible that some people become billionaires and other people struggle to survive says they dry deny applied for jobs. They said oh the traditional big companies in stellenbosch. I couldn't find a job. And then finally. I was blazed. To find a very wise man from southeast asia was willing to take me and under his wing for years take me to various countries and he actually opened my eyes about how investment is really done. Globally because africa's at least twenty years behind developed countries in my view when it comes to early stage funding and how we grow businesses. Okay that's a very short and succinct inside. But i mean you you you sort of had an entrepreneurial from quite early on in your life i mean you would. You would sell chickens. I believe or the aches. Which did you sell chickens or eggs. Which came first. I had a little of vegetable batches. Well so i would not i would actually do all the work myself. Prevail the ground but in the fit liese's and then i would grow these these feature bolts and they would sell the do the grocery in town and this is what i like about the book. Daniel is that it's written in plain english and is no you talk about some fairly complex concepts but it's written in a way that The average joe like myself can understand and there's a lot of stories in the book. And that's what i love what you make you know you use different analogies you know the the one part of the book You said seventy what would you rather be a big fish in a small pund or a small fish in the sea. And that's that's very very in. Because i can understand that but now you sit you meet this man and he became your main to. How did you meet him. An indigenous sort of. Tim doesn't sorry. Would you mind monitoring me as i said i was. I was really at a time in my life. I was about twenty nine years old where i realized. If i'm if i don't do it now it will probably happen so i was actively looking for a successful business person would show me 'cause i a of the the young guys these days to really climb the letter false is because of family ties dead. Introduces you to a billion any take on these wing and an option so my dad was the youngest of nine children. He started following when he was nine years old. And i mean he didn't have the networks e couldn't introduced me to anyone so i was actively looking in one day one of my friends from aguado wealthy family In south africa said that he's going to biggies dad's business partner up from the airport. I wanted to come with it. I'm like okay. Cool so windy. And i made this guy and we just clicked so i was working as a private equity analyst at time so i had a better understanding of of how these in basements worked in private companies but he just opened my mind. Now you talk about opening your mind. And i wanna get into that in a in a little while but what brew to to the stage of. You felt confident you'd learned enough you're experienced enough to write a book eddie's a very good question spatially if your publisher decides to put the would buddy and airing in the title of insights actually a mindset book that also deals and financial Bad i felt that. I just had to get to a point. Where ahead experienced to have these types of interviews without having to get on wanted to be real be able to talk about really experience is offering basting weaving vase that in about fifty companies now across various industries different countries. And we've also had some successful exits. 'cause that's difficult. It's very easy to make. An investment in a private company by the real challenge comes with the exit and yasser have basements if you exit and i think i firmly made every mistake that that anyone could somehow. I'm happy i can. I can easily stand in front of insight. okay. I can speak about this. Not this is for me. What is fascinating because you talk about mindset and you do mention in the book that This main tool took you overseas and took it to a couple of seminars etc etc and you said in the book that some people might consider bit is teric. Now if you take a lot of people. Waiters is teric fit into business. That would say the to do not make good bedfellows but mindset is somewhat is a isn't it definitely especially if you get to maitha of opening your mind to new possibilities and to let go of your preconceived ideas. Many of us were raised in a certain of african. we have all these preconceived ideas and actually the things that hold us back from growing businesses exponentially and that is so true. Because you know. I i come from a family which we could Quite safely say. I guess we at the lower end of of middle-class didn't go with the lot and i used to all the time get told in a many doesn't grown trees david the what's is always have to suffer. Nothing comes easy to us and sometimes in an obscene it in my life previously. You know you kind of rise to the level of your own mediocrity and this is the mindset side of it comes in because it is so difficult to change now from what i've read in the book. Your story is fairly similar now. How did you about this. So i'll tell you a little bit of a story of our unexperienced regarding these mindsets and then onto you I've also got to meet a guy in in singapore who specializes in something. Michael unresolved polishes and what happened. Is we invested in company and almost every time that this company reaches a million rand over the month the entrepreneur self sabotage. The hardest do that either stays away from the office full extended periods of time. He starts fighting with these employees. He starts fighting with everyone around him. And in the business full fulls back below million random and and then wakes up again and then he starts doing everything writing. And i couldn't understand this so i actually took him to singapore to gun. See this guy and this guy worked with him and bit when you result cool the trauma some traumatic experiences that he had when he was younger you gave himself Mission to succeed and once he gave himself commission to succeed as cited wants is always struggle. I do not agree with that. Nobody has destroyed. You can overcome that. And then suddenly the business started doing much much better and in a similar way. I started by attending a three-day cools in southeast asia. Way essentially context is given about how dishes society that relieving him and the rules of the society as it is now so the rules change from time to time seddon written rules in certain unwritten rules and once. I had clarity about how these rules work. I was ready to really start my journey towards creating wealth. Okay it's it's getting to the the other part of the christian In just a little bit on special guest is daniel strauss and by the way if you're going to be looking at full the book it's spelt daniel so daniel strauss the billionaire mindset when we come back we'll be setting to daniel semel and finding out a little bit more about the book and about your story is what's involved back in a bit and we're back with my special guest daniel strauss of the billionaire mindset. So we we talk about just before the break here. The no we're talking about this. This whole mindset thing and you said that that you'd gotten to the stage where you'd gotten new mindset sorted out but all the mock of people who are successful because if i think about it and you mentioned this in the book as well there's a couple of people who are super wealthy used them as as examples anything. He lost everything today. Tomorrow that'd be back at it and within a very short tom. That would be successful again. always say that some people think it's not the big that it's small. It's the forest. It's slow but my main to say to me. Well that's old news already in the future. It will be the knowing that it's the unerring. So they said gun safes that you need to understand in business and these concept They remove the constraints that we blaze upon ourselves. And as soon as you know how to remove certain constraints that other people see as impossible to overcome and you can overcome these one or two or three constraints inside any. There's nothing that can stop you. You see i heard. Once economy said r. rated twins is success leaves clues. Is this something in your journey. That you found is the system that separates those who can write rise stratospheric louis to the others like myself and my little business. Yes definitely as. I said i was probably still have an in depth conversation with probably the most held billionaire in south africa and as we spoke i realized that he truly breakfasts unconstrained thinking and that does stay from his existing wealth over the backing that he has. It's literally from knowing that you do not need capital to build a massive business. You can go and raise that capital and he knows exactly how to do it because why is it that assistant small group of people. Every time they get involved in a company in south africa it's listed on the stock exchange within three to seven years but another group of people that get involved in businesses. They file it's because the one group knows the rules of the game. They stick to it and they they just keep on doing the same thing. According to the rules and they businesses grow. And i think we can can list. These people. Other people come in they. They judged them instead of trying to understand how they doing it. And why they are able to have success off the success off the success the judge them so what i say is if someone both one business extremely successful and they want to come and give advice. I am a little bit weary because luck does play a big role but if someone got five or six or thin businesses that they grew ten fold within the last ten years. They now listen to that. Yeah that makes sense. I mean i'd certainly would like to meet a couple of check to the militia that purely for selfish reasons but one of the things in in your book that you that you talk about an. I've battled with his concept 'cause i think i'm i'm stuck and what you call thinking above the line and you know what you do when you think below the line and what you do when you think above the line. I don't want to give away too much of the book because you've got to read it. You will not understand all the concepts until you read the book so we gotta tell you way to get debt in just a little bit but talk to me about this concept of above the line thinking and below the line thinking. 'cause i've got a bit of a well. I've got a radio background which necessitates advertising and marketing immediately. I'm thinking in the marketing specs. But that's not right from your context. Ea so specifically said that any any other late site knowledge that you can do do above the line below the line east. Forget about this new new new above the high side. It's almost like tree. Tree needs to have very strong roots in order to survive but it also needs lease and what we what i see as the roots of the trees what we call level one and level two thinking so without getting taken. I'm just going to run through it quickly on level one an entrepreneur Things about products and services show tim an intermittent revenue then as they move up in thinking they moved to level two. Then they start thinking of how can they create systems around these products and services they start thinking medium and how to generate recurring revenue. And then we get to above the line and that is how do you tend these systems products and services into a financial instrument that in invasive would be willing to acquire. They saw thinking long term. They start thinking about how shareholder value is created in listed companies people are talking about capital allocation out to create shareholder value all the time but for some reason our entrepreneurs in south africa are talking about tax avoidance. All the time. I mean those two completely different mindsets. Yeah yeah sorry. I'm quiet day. Because i'm thinking as soon as you you of win. Text avoidance. yeah. I get that bombers be paid the government but this is somebody should to me the one day says if you having to pay a lot of tax it must mean. You're making a lot of money. Is that is that kind of some of the differentiation differentiation. In thinking the big thinking is how often abused sold about how much companies with david and how shareholder value is actually created in that company. We look at it from the outside. And would you invest in this company. If not why not buy you are actually invested in owner. One hundred percent of your gumby says they know us from shareholder respective. Would you prefer company. That shows no Order to avoid taxes or would you prefer to have a company that is as profitable possible obviously within a sustainable framework to add as much revenue as possible. Which one would you choose as share old. Well yeah as a shelled. I'm looking at prophets exactly and that's that's a mindset shift that needs to happen if you want to really grow a significant growth enterprise that that will live long off to you not here. Okay we're chatting to neil strauss. He is the will say he's first book is called the billionaire mindset at some. You need to get get learned my mind and i get to read and see a lot of books at when we come back i'll be talking about A different roles that we have in a company like for example out company. What's digital small. There's two of us. And how do we think about going that as danilo mansion now about being shareholders wall when we come back this is what's involved saga tavee along with us and we're back with my special guests to neil strauss he is also the Mindset so just before the break we we were talking about thinking like a shareholder but now this ticket business like mont danilo. I am of chief. Cook buttler russia. I am see. I am designer. I am director i founder. How do we get postal of this. Because all different heads that we're expected to way is Easiest to start with 'em how'd you decide biggio Salary should be if you are a shareholder director. See many and the employees. How do you decide that. Yeah you see this whole concept of salary at this. Stage is foreign to a lot of us that are running small businesses in this country because Sorry carry on as cheryl there. You want the salary to be as low as possible so that you can have as much profit as possible as the ceo. You want to avid. As highest possible said you can have abated livestock but as director whose fiduciary do did is to act in the best interest of the company. They won the celery to be market-related in order to ensure that the maximum share the venue. while compensating the o. Adequately to ensure that they don't think about money all the time that they can actually focus on doing the job which is building. a growing. The company a. k. I'm just thinking now because i'm an through my interactions with the melissa. That the people that are got companies maasais may maybe a little bit bigger. And it's been this dinner blood sweat and tears all of the time and you're so busy working in the business that you don't really get a chance to step back and you talk about about financing as the way to start growing a business but most of us and i include myself out. Any recos is being to go camping. Hand to the bank and say please share. Will you give me some money. Ridiculous interest rate. And you hope that. I do and then they just look at joel. Your books new balance sheet nagai. There's no as you're a good risk. Kevin stay what are what we do. How do we go about this so i think you will need unconstrained thinking to decide. How can i grow my company tenfold or hundredfold in order to have a compelling near narratives to tell shareholders that would make it worth investing in this company at proper evaluation. So now most of us start thinking in a constraint. Space our biggest constraint is normally the capital available to build up business said now because we don't have capital redone. Think of are we going to create recurring revenue in. We don't think of how we can massively scale our current offerings so now sadly let's say you decide i'm going to gun think completely unconstrained. Now i'm going to build a billion dollar company. Then you start thinking how will i change my service offerings. That probably not scalable at this moment time. How would i change these products. And how will i ensure that they are still highly profitable. even if they scale. And once you start thinking that way you can start a broaching High growth invasive slag insta- capitalists angels or even crowdfunding to really start growing your business but before we we've made the mindset shift from from building a lifestyle business to building growth enterprise. You won't be attractive to either banks or to other east so it's a change of thinking but you have to. They have grown your business to a certain level. Now that we haven't spoken about is that you are the one ace in the study david. Just stop the cheese now. So you don't have to grow to certain before you approach funds. May you just have to have the vision to it. Extremely big they me. Just give you some context We invested in an idea in. What was it this. Same between ninety. It was just an idea but it was a wonderful trip a year. We knew entrusted so we invested in the company at a one point seven five million dollars valuation. I mean which is quite a high value hide should for an idea. Speaking south african deals now fifteen months later the company's valued at twenty two million dollars. They're employing i think twenty or twenty five people that are growing rapidly massively. They really doing well. The guys to any seven years old. Wow so what. I'm trying to say is that guy had the unconstrained thinking to raise funding to boulder solution to a real world problem that lots of people are willing to pay for and then discarded massive. Okay so is this. This is the kind of thing that in. You'll you'll other part of your life that you guys do. I mean you've got an investment company. So what would you look for if somebody's got a business now. What are the kind of things that investment companies like yourselves would look at. It's so List of questions. That i would nobody ask onto so i don't want to vo- the listeners. But if i was listening to this i would've liked to yes What types of questions should. I be able to answer that if i want them to. In based in my company is it fine. If i go through these questions quickly absolutely. I think this is vital dead. We got to this point lewisham. So normally the fist question that we went on japanese the entrees. What is the problem. How did you identify the problem. How big is the problem. And how did you measure this. And who has this problem. So what happens is in emerging market. There are a lot of problems by old problems. Don't necessarily have a good business model because the people who have these problems don't necessarily have money to pay you to solve their problem. I've so many let's call them consultants who one to provide services to start ups an ease but by the very nature these startups in eastern eastern. Necessarily have the money to buy them for their services so despite the fact that they are solving a massive problem. They're adding massive value. They not getting enough money for that. So the sorry. i'm i'm with you. Then we go and we say. Do you have the ability to solve the problem. And can you prove this to. Can you prove your ability to solve the problem they. Why can you solve the problem fatal than other people who will help you to solve the problem. Lose your team the team that will help you. So what are the knicks sticks the milestones. So if you have absolute clarity on your milestones as you go along your journey then invasive would be willing to fund you to reach every milestone because with every milestone the value of your company's higher because you you're getting closer to the big gash flint's almost like a when you do prospecting for mining. Then how much time do you need to reach these milestones. How much money do you need to reach these milestones now. How basement allocated to dorito milestones. So how do you. How will you elevate this capital. Then how will you make money. So what is your business model. Why does your business model make seines easier. Business model scalable now scalable. We get to working capital cycle. We can do systems. We get to market size all of those things. Then you need to provide a gastro projection for the next three years. And i found that for south. African entrepreneurs is extremely difficult. Because i used to talking to their accountants with specialize in telling them exactly what happened the bossed. But now you have to tell me what you think is going to happen in the future by sonia milestones customers the business model all of those things. Then what is what is the valuation at which you are rising. Finally how did you calculate those valuation and what is your current company. Structure look likes so if you as an entrepreneur for instance only have three percent left of your company. By the time you come to me for finding. You're not properly insane device so we have to make sure that the structure is correct and then why your current share this and how much capital heavy rights dight so normally after those nine thousand nine hundred questions have been on shit. We didn't have very good position to to say yes or no. We want to move forward with a due diligence process. If we say yes it only means yes. We want to do due diligence company and they knew it obviously dealt deep into to the nuts and bolts fantastic. Well i think that is that is very helpful. The other thing again. You got to get the book because it is so well. Written a a mess complement genetic. The book is written in very easy to understand terms. One of the things. And i wanna talk about this when we come back as we wrap up the interview that you talk about throughout the book is the power and the need for main toes and maintain so when we come back. I'm gonna be checking to you about that as we wrap it. Up is my special guests. That i have with me nil. Strauss he is. The author of the billionaire mindset absolutely brilliant book. Rotella where you can get that as well when we come back. This is what's involved and we're back with my special guest author of the billionaire mindset. Daniel strauss maintain ship then. He'll talk to me about that. Because you could at a lot of your success to the main towards in your life. Yes i would normally say a lot of people continents a. How do i find a need site. Identify someone with his own Already reached significant level of success in the industry or the thing in which you would really like to reach a lot of success so find someone who's already successful in this specific area way you also went to be successful and then make sure that the basin as similar edison malady type two. You often say that late say warren buffett might not be the ideal main tool for elon. Musk because the one is extremely innovative with the other. One is extremely patient for instant So make sure that that you find someone who has similar to you in in those aspects but whoever already reached a significant success. A k- not not this is where a lot of times people get confused between because these days just about everybody and they dug is is a life coach or a spiritual coach or a business coach coaches in maine tolls different things in my view. That very different. I actually a main doors anna coach. So i see value in all of them but to me a main told israeli. Someone identified you. What to do they ask you the right questions to get you thinking and they need you the awake and i find more inflammation by can normally direct you to either someone to speak to over gandhara to a book to read or they will actually show you what they have done already some interest. It's almost an art. Have way you. The basement was that i had. They just asked the right restraints. Goes the questions that they have make me think about. What am i actually. Busy m islander. Right bossia And and that's very very valuable to me. And i notice again. You mentioned this in the book that you have several tools and that you you meet with them tech fairly regularly so so we're not gonna gotten just look for one. I think one is the place to start. But ideally to have more than one jason for a very long term one tool But the thing is a lot of people think that you have to get into to see what you can get from them. What i normally try to do is i. I do research about the the business that i want to approach. And then i tried to find out what is really important to him at this stage in allies and then i tried to unlock values for them as well. It must be mutual relationships. You shouldn't be an energy vampire with some people off spoken to them for an our. You feel so drained you wanna go to sleep whereas other people you just feed off of each other's imaging you you actually have. Yeah you energize each other and executive what you talk about experienced a couple of times really. Thank you for taking the time out in having a check to us before i let you go though. What's next in terms of deal strauss and your life all we going to get a second book at what planes of you got. Thank you david to offset. My facebook did quite well. I think it was a number one. South african buchen march and april dem's of siles ama- published actually offered me another contract and we already busy with the next book at the moment. I'm very focused on on making invasive wants there's a lot of opportunity and kept ordering the market at the moment raising coming basements for companies. We adding value to companies actually write offs to this. I have a goal aware. We introduced one of our portfolio companies to do significant possible of customer for them. Good place. I want to continue what i do. I want to continue to lend. I wanted do it. Well and i want to add value to as many people as possible. I think this is the important part as well. Because i've seen in by the book any cutting to you that you like me a very passionate about south africa. I mean technically you could live wherever in the world that you wanted to but you believe in south africa. Do you believe the same way that i do that that You know this spirit of entrepreneurship and growing businesses yet in south africa is gonna be one of the answers to south africa's problems case. I think to the unemployment problem. That is the only on ser. And i think that is definitely one of the biggest problems that we have at the moment. And to be very honest if we done start embracing equity finance in for our small medium companies If we continue trying to to build them with date we will just not be fast enough so rising equity funding is like accelerating the growth. You'll probably have the same result over ten year period if you use date but with Capital that in terms of equity. It can have that result in one year or two years and so if we want to accelerate the the economical growth is africa. We need a critical amount of people to understand and embrace equity funding. And i can't say that enough okay. Ingloriously glossy one piece of advice that you would give entrepreneurs are they all aspiring opinion. What would your one piece of advice be makes sure that you're solving a problem for someone. Who has the ability to pay you for solving the problem. Because if you're not solving problem for someone you won't be an entrepreneur for long wonderful stuff. The book is cold. The billionaire mindset by. Daniel strauss as i said earlier at daniel strauss is the way you will find it available in most good bookstores set available. I think on amazon as well. Hey kindle yea so in boulder bookstores. it's on amazon. I also have it on audible. now is in audiobook. Which just by the way. I've been listening to Nas to see a familiar name. That is the narrator of the book and i actually think he has one of the based voice over voices in the country. That's why used now wonderful stuff in. It's it's great to see And so much more. I want to speak to you about. I mean just about some of the businesses that you got involved in the music side of it. what else you lack. I might have to have you back on the show You know as soon as the books ten on shell reach out again but It reps reps it up. He says putting his false teeth back at wraps it up for this edition of what's involved. My special guest is being neil strauss. Thank you so much for your time and we wish you all the very based. Thanks so much. David looking for every guy as i said danilo Get the book. It's brilliant okay. I know. I said there's a lot of good books at dan. They all but this one. This one spiked meets ideas off the favor it's available all good bookstores on all of the platforms that the audible vision is great as well. If you're driving up and down at you can give it a listen as well reps it up and that each and everyone of you the coughed yourselves. Take care and thank you for listening.

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Ep 152 - Mime is Money

Nobody Listens to Paula Poundstone

1:22:50 hr | 4 months ago

Ep 152 - Mime is Money

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They're not going to form an emotional attachment to the worms as baby goats. Now it's not to say you don't have a worm calendar just for example right go calendar and that would fly off the shelves at christmas time. You are not going to have a worm. Calendar window write that down work. That don't work calendar. God just had a great idea for merchandising. Write that down right down to you. Yeah yeah i did so anyways but the world did i tell you that i can hear them. I did tell you that didn't i. I don't know if you did. Yeah i might not have been listening more than likely. I can put my head into the worm bin and hear them and i told this to wendell by the way it goes you dot. Because he's so positive. I said i hear them eating. Because i do. I hear the meeting any soon. What does it sound like. An i said which is exactly what it sounds like. Okay yeah you're not gonna get that from a baby. Go wait a minute stone. Industries is exploding with ideas and creativity. I don't know it something about the possibility of things opening up again. I just overcharged spring. Don't you feel that. Yes yes it is. Everything is blossoming from ideas to plans to animals. And and i really think this worm thing is really going somewhere for you. Now let me change the subject. You and i have a running bet. I'll yes the okay listeners. I'm asking anybody who played oliver in a children's or school production of the great broadway musical oliver. The who will buy song. yes the other day. I was doing a very labor intensive physical labor job with a team of people and we play music while we're working together and i started singing. Just the who will buy song and somebody goes. Put that on put that on. It's so uplifting it's part of this theme of it is uplifting but polo. we made a bet. Did we made a pet and the bet was this. Was you bet that there were at least a few of our listeners. Out there who played oliver in school or as a youth and would thus be willing to let us know and send us in a snippet of them singing. Who'll by and i said paula. I don't think we have that. Many listeners. likely had the starring role in oliver and low. And we bet that you bet. Eventually they were at least two listeners. Who are going to do this. And lo and behold at the end of week one a listener wrote in and gave us a snippet of him singing. Google by and i thought i was on my way to defeat in this little bit. Between you and me and now we've sort of plateau had anymore. We've had no more recording by a little bit like vaccination role you know. It started long lines. And now you know. We're having to beat the bushes to to find people to please get vaccinated. And by the way people please get vaccinated please get vaccinated but so i know there is at least one more person who we've plateaued led toted fifty percent of income. There's at least one more man who could sing a little bit of who will buy just record it on your computer your silly stupid phone or something and then just send it into us. We want to stress no cheating unless you actually played oliver in a production of oliver. It doesn't count yeah. I don't wanna hear somebody. That clearly played bill. Sikes pretended because we'll know. Yeah oh we will do better not be one fucking auntie sung in any of the recordings that get sent to us because i can tell the difference between any and oliver in fact. I'm a professional. I'm often called in to appraise recordings and to say is that any or is that oliver and i can tell the difference so if you are out there and i'm feeling my gosh amy. I swear i could say oh you know what if you. Amy klobuchar senator. Excuse me if you had sung that song. During your presidential campaign you would have gotten in. That was phenomenal. I was oliver in my private school. Put option. I just didn't have a chance to record this for you. So won the bet. Yea no shar. I'm here by not believing you senator your guest on the show. I don't think you were oliver. And i defy you to sing more of that song. That goes played the boys parts. What school was that amy. It was a private goal school. What private girls school. Amy klobuchar minneapolis. Catholic school for girls. Preparatory girls it was preparing for being a girl was it. Was the courage. Prepatory catholic private girls school. Yeah for your in presidential candidates. That's why that is amy. Amy klobuchar fact went to public. School did a lot of times. Some of our early life experiences. We can block out. And apparently amy blocked that she had attended public school as opposed to a catholic school. Yes yeah yeah hey. Speaking of school fish women schools. And it's time to call the order. The last edition of the nobody listens to paula poundstone book club moby dick addition who. I am so excited. Yeah here we go. Everybody who says this is big news. We'll the club come to order please. This week we read chapters one twenty six through the end wherein things start to look really bad for what i now call the quad squad. Obsession is taking tara tara. Tara what's quite a bad omen start piling up they make a lifebuoy out of quakes coffin. That doesn't seem do dire. They refuse to help ship to have lost people in encounters with moby dick. And then it happens they site in hunt the white whale. There's one bloody thrilling encounter. and then another bloody thrilling encounter and then on the third counter just when you think all hope is lost. All hope is lost. Ship goes down and everybody dies except ishmail the end. Do you know why ishmail doesn't die. Do you know why he's the only one who doesn't die. Somebody has to write the book. No he got vaccinated. That's why i'm guessing. If you're listening out there if you want to be able to survive whale attacks get vaccinated you know. Sometimes we have new listeners. And thank you. I hope so. And maybe they're not familiar with the book club. Podcast is of course not a book club but we did start a book club awhile ago and the first books that we chose was moby dick. We aimed high. So we've been at it for quite a while but just to catch people up today. We have completed reading moby. dick. I hope listeners. Read along with us. And so i thought that i would give people a summary of how the moby dick portion of her book club has gone. Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale a tale of a young book club that started on podcast and nobody seems to love. The book chose was moby dick classic. The ages for members tried to read the book. It was six hundred and fifty five pages. Six hundred and fifty five pages. Tony word and rita at all. She kept getting censuring. If not for the summaries of the president pro tem. she wouldn't have known a word. Queue wouldn't have known word paulo. Listen to the whole book twice the others use cliff notes. They offer it up blemish. Hugh says like didn't know it would be about boats. Next book welby shorter and with a little bit of luck. There won't be any pena suits and it won't be easy prey farc. There won't be easy prey. Be if bred be bred. Fuck pray call. Thank you very much for that. Was that was fantastic. What do you think of the end of moby dick good. And if you're just joining our book club this is the kind of stuff that you can expect we after quique in-depth analysis where we really break things down and look for that deeper understanding. What you think is good. No seriously how did it strike you the end towards my favorite part of the book. Because you've got to stop reading no because it was very action filled and there was very little description of whale parts. Because for those of you who didn't read the book or perhaps our new listeners. Herman melville had a tendency to go on. Long wail descriptions. Yeah and that could slow the action down a bit. Oh absolutely he got into the gory details like literally the gory details. I liked the end of the book to you. Know you know what really struck me about it. Is that in those last ten chapters really the last twenty. Not only does a have begin to take over the entire boat and his obsession takes over everybody's life he also takes over the entire book in that ishmael disappears. I don't think he's the word. I is used at all in his last few chapter. No if israel's having experienced different than the rest of the crew you don't read about it until he's the only one ally would now in fact at the very end he reveals that he had been on a habits spoke he was one of the rowers on boat because they go out on these smaller boats to catch the wheel and the other thing is never again a reference to quay his friendship with quick way. You know sad to see quaco nothing no. This was a sad day so difficult. Nothing and by the way the more conversations between ahab and starbuck the more it felt like wow this is. The republican party is highly dysfunctional party with a couple of reasonable people inexplicably letting himself be led by a madman. Who's clearly crazy. But here's my question. We're going to throw it over to our friends. Is that a flaw in the book. I mean there's part of me that really wanted to hear ish males description of what things were like and his reaction to losing all his friends and somehow bearing witness to the death of this giant crew. Instead the boat goes down in ishmail mentions that he got rescued. And that's it book over. Yeah he may have been on a deadline. It is basel you think. He have edited out some of the earlier stuff though if he was fine. Bonnie burns how you feel about that up into seamy valley. Oh my gosh again for any new listeners. This kind of analysis is really characteristic of our show. Excellent yeah well okay. Here's the thing hallways accuses me of not long attention span. But i have a lot of things to do. So i got like part way through the book and then i felt like okay. Get the gist. I know where this is going. So i watched the movie but anyway. Here's the thing. The movie starred gregory peck as a half. This book club. This is book club. Book book book. I just want you to know this. It was directed by john. Huston doesn't matter berry. John used as matter. But i just have to ask you guys this so in the movie at the end abbas lance to do you want do you want to know. Do you want to know who the makeup artist was in the book. No i just want to know and by the way the movie is rated like seven point. One that got eighty percent on rotten tomatoes book book club. It's a book club. So you're saying you don't know what happened at the end of the book and you want us to answer for you whether that is similar to the movie. The book can't way movie. Did you know what it's a book club. It's a book club buddy. Let me ask you something anyway. This is where ahab with lance. Listen this is very important. I have a very important question. If they had done a lot of merchandising right with moby dick and say they had made like a moby. Dick pajamas say a moby. Dick sleeping bag right. Would you say that a nights sleeping in your moby. Dick pajamas in your moby. Dick sleeping bag was the same thing as reading the book. It's a book club. It's not a movie club book. I would like to censure your burns i will. I would like to july second emotion. Let's take a vote motion on the floor to censure body burns all in favor. Say aye tony. Well because i am the president pro. Tem tiebreaking vote. Motion is carried bunny. Birds has been censured. Zoos knows it. A loser leg news so bodies analysis wasn't so much an analysis such as just kind of a pathetic plea to find out of her movie ended the same way as the book. Yeah tony anita hall in sherman oaks. I'm sure you have deeper insight into the end of the novel idea. This is how. I'd like to sum it up just another p. Quad squad effort. Bonnie's criticism of the book is that the popcorn wasn't very good but just like the p. Quad art club has met such an ignominious end here at the end of the learn from the book. Well you learn what was the takeaway lesson the takeaway was joan asks tony anita hall to read anything because it into the whole thing for him was more like a trust fall. You know what i discovered is trust to any one of you. Listen to a whole book twice for heaven sakes just to go back. you know. it's like. I went up mount everest and then i went back down so i could walk back up with you guys and oh my gosh. You're laggards every one of you. Well i jumped back off the cliff notes and read the rest of the book. So yeah i feel like i got the end of it. I'm glad i skip those middle parts. 'cause they were dull as dishwater. And did i get anything out of it. As bonnie says beautiful writer. Interesting story real cool meditation on how alone we all are and the isolation and obsession and all that stuff and is it my favorite novel ever. It's not one. I'm going to do again. It's truly great in parts and it's really uneven. It's a giant glorious mess paula. Listen to the whole book twice. The there's you'd cliff notes. They offered up lame. Excuse won't be about boats all right. Okay well maybe. Next week we could choose a new book about that. That's a great idea. And with that i am going to call this session of. Nobody listens to paula. Poundstone club to a close moby. Dick is done the next book. That's a little sad sad from the person who wouldn't read the book and catching. Oh for heaven's stared. follow him. Category word i this week at him. I have a word. It's cap ships. It's an adjective that means tending to fault or arrays. Petty objections here. I'll use it in a sentence. The entire restaurants staff dreaded the arrival of their exhausting capture friday night regular. Who always sat in the corner cassius. It's a wonderful word. It belongs in the vocabulary song. All that wait. Let me get my equipment sherry hold on on. This week's word is abuse. It's an adjective that means tending to find fault or raise petty objections. The january six commission is too soon. It's too late it's too broad. It's too narrow it'll interrupt. Trump's erections last week's word worst rebuffed. But it's an adjective that means repellent or irritating. You're very cute except when you're regurgitating the week before that the word was Pursue it's announced means comment that makes a clever or entertaining point a justice system that keeps people in prison for weeds. Stinks up the joint going back. Before that the word was militate militate militate show. Can't go on if i keep saying militate. Verb that means a powerful or decisive factor in preventing something. The tunnel is blocked by giant dumpling. And not long ago we add proscribe. Its verb that means officially forbid something. Let's have no more not even a little bit of plastic packaging. Let's never forget gala free galadima free which i pronounce wrong until nobody. James hider corrected. Me it's announced. That means confused. Jumble or medley of things hodgepodge. Who's podge hodgepodge. Adam doesn't think my song is replicable. Replica replica coupole. But i do. I do i do. I do bravo interesting little variation on the glock part at the end there pol. That was really nice. Thank you very much. I tell you. We're going to criticize it. And i was going to call you. Capture pestered right. But i didn't know so. Thank you very much. So i took on inappropriately. Diedhiou did we mention. You might have responded. 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You're starting to book shows again and yet once you resumed regular performing. There's still a part of the job you're uncomfortable with is that right bounced own adam as you know. I've always loved being a stand up comic. The only part i do not like is the endless self promotion. I'm going to be at such and such a theater on blah blah blah day. Remember when you to played somewhere and they didn't even announce it they just snuck in and played a concert and thousands of people showed up. What if i just haven't found the right form of expression for my art. Like i wanted to learn my when i was in high school. What if that's it. What instead of begging people to come see me. Friday june eleven to maas art center in blacksburg virginia. I could never say one promotional word about my mind performance and step out onto a stage in front of a loving audience. Who just sense. I was going to be there and pretend to eat soup. Wow eating pretend soup paula. it's uncanny. This is gonna shock you. Are you ready. are you sitting down. Yeah we have a very special guest here who can help lead you on your silent way. Oh my gosh yes. It's time for career corner where we learned about the wide world of jobs. Would you like to be a fireman. How train engineer. Maybe you'd like to make a living as a spot. What can you do with your life. Career corner has the answer this week. Let's explore a career as a mime here to help discover if she could cut it in this stressful high stakes. World of miming is peter daniel. Strauss peter is demand behind pier the mime. He's a film and television. Actor has been ringling brothers clown and he's been featured stumping boards at the metropolitan opera and on the late show with david letterman. He's also the illustrator and co writer of meno meno pop a menopause pop up an activity book. Please welcome peter daniel strauss. Yea i come. What are the odds of you being here when we were just talking about the potential of me being a mind. How long have you been a mind. Peter i started being a mime went officially when i was twelve. That's what it started now. That would make it just shy of about a thousand years and when did you come out to your parents with that. Mom dad. are you sitting down. They didn't accept me very understand. Yeah just a quick full disclosure here. Peter was booked on the show by tony anita hall. But peter and i back in the ninety s and early us on the lower east side of manhattan performed at multiple comedy shows together. Yes which i love. We're friends from way back. Yeah were very funny man and you still are. I feel like i've lost step but you. You're a mime now. Paula go ahead. Grill my friend. Peter about miming. I'm so happy to be the reason for the two of you coming back together. I'm peter do you have formal mime training. I do like i said when i was twelve. Had i experienced studying mime. And then when you say studying what do you mean i actually. Somebody taught me the skills involved in telling stories with my body. This basically what of mine is a mine. Traditionally is silent and tells the story however complicates impotence with their body. So i learned an isolate parts of my body. And how how to. What do you mean isolate. So if you put your hand in the air they're demoting it into the air and if you were to move the rest of your body a little bit side to side but keeping your hand exactly in the same spot that would be called isolation it's sorta like a timeout for body part. Say like you you go to your room. Exactly how do you think about what you've done. Hand if your hand happens is still in the air. Now if your hand is actually in the air right now described and you're moving your body a little bit side you. This will be the beginnings of what we refer to as doing the box which is which is a minds ads. What i'm doing right now. And if you put your hand up in the air in the same plane as if it's on invisible window all spread. Is you want to add to the effect by spreading your fingers and move a little bit side sat up and down. But don't move your hands at at all my god you are doing while it's actually a wall. The box comes never realized that part of doing the box was moving the rest of your body while keeping your hands fixed in place now. That makes so much so much like it looks like. I'm in box now. Because i'm leaving my hands somewhere but moving my body. Nobody puts you in a box. Amazing all right since that is such a cool exercise by the way listeners. I know you're all with your hands in the air like me right now. Rocking side deciding your chair but are there other little steps like that little exercises like that too late other body parts. Well depending on how much of your body is. You know you're able to move. You could use every inch of yourself so you know if you're doing say these are classic The box pulling the rope poon natives. So if you're polar rope you need to have the whoever's watching you believe that you're actually holding a rope so a rope. Has it has certain properties that you want to describe silently with your body so i'm gonna do For instance i pick the robot off the ground because it's not going to speed the air. Also i'm gonna place my hands in two spots on the imaginary rope and i'm going to maintain that space between the two hands right because it's not elastic. It's a throat in making the heavy rope. Just give it some you know. Give it a little bit more little right absolutely then and then just limp or is it attached to something off a are you gonna. Are you gonna pull it. Never gonna pull it. Maybe the thing that you're pulling is resisting you to create the illusion of the resistance. Well you got to create the illusion with your body. So is this the first ever audio mime lesson by like it can keep going. I can't think of anybody ever described by bergen. Can the him on the radio drama handed this. So you're holding in the air. There's resistance on the other side and if you're gonna hold it well you're going to move some parts of your body before others. You're gonna keep your hands in place of like you debate the box now. You're my hands are wrapped around the rope. So i'm going to lean back but keep my hands in saint spot. They were so. I'm going to because they're hitting resists resistance. And then if you want to really sell it when your arms are fully extended that's when you do a little gentle poll making sure that space between your hands maintains the same all my gosh totally self right now. This i found my work call. I i knew. Then what i came onto this show that you didn't a calling that you could answer feel like taking my time with you. I believe in you. I really appreciate all right so you learn these different traditional things. You study mime with perhaps a mime instructors at correct yeah continued to study. The next year ahead was ringling brothers clown college. I studied my very intensively for for months gone. I got hired. And i did a year on the show. I traveled america on a one mile. Long sir strain. And i remember the circus clown. Oh my gosh. That sounds so great. It actually as a circus clown mine is readily important. Because i wasn't a mind was a clown. But i used my mind training as a clown which i also use it as an actor. I use it in everything that i do. I use my mind skills. Because i know how to control my body to tell stories using my body so as as a circus clown you're working enormous arenas in the you need to tell a story visually so What better way to do that than mine. Kevin mccarthy uses clowning in his minority leadership status in the congress. And so you're not. You're not the only one and certainly mitch mcconnell. So that his every bit as smartest. Charlie macartney in fact he rivals mortimer mortimer right. Restored one of my heroes me to. Where does paula begin. Besides with your lesson what are the steps she has to take to become a full-fledged invisible card-carrying mime that's a very good question well in need to spend a lot of time rehearsing and he got to work in front of a mirror to see yourself a magician. Rehearses run a mirror well. You're kinda magician. You're creating lucians and story your body. You gotta make sure it's working so we're gonna mirror is really important. And if you're were his mind will appear the mine he view which is me. I'm the man behind him. He has a very very pristine makeup. Study makeup for a very long time. Asha became a professional makeup artists instead of becoming a performer. But i use all my makeup skills. Everything that i do. And all the different characters i play sodas mitch mcconnell exact same exact same exactly. This is so much related to what's going on politically right now. God i want to deter you. But can we talk about that. Make affirmative what is behind that classic white pancake committee adele arteta. What is behind that. Make because the makeup Neutralizes your face in gives you a blank slate that you can work with so don't have a races. All the the person who is being the mine and gives you a fresh surface to launch your face off of okay. So paul has got a mirror. Paula has the makeup now. What well then the next most important thing is to let your polynice shang through. Oh it's the personality of the person that is the most important element of the mind. This what you're doing in the mirror. That's working out in as technical and the make his technical your costume. All the thought that goes into look like his technical. But you've gotta bring your heart to it. And bala you got that in spades so i really think yeah. I think this is the next chapter. But i do wanna point out. There's a certain element of paula. That is talking and what is interesting. You say that because there is a certain element of peter nece. That is talking. None of my friends can't believe that unable to shut up more than five minutes so it is kinda stonking Become famous as a mind. Because i i talk a lot. So there's the other element that you're gonna you have to focus when i'm in pierre some Turns on and i become hyper aware of everything around me. Everything that's happening constantly reading the room constantly looking for opportunities because p air their minds that tell written mind stories plays a room my place. That's not my thing. I do guerrilla comedy. I get dropped into crazy situations. And i don't know what the fuck i'm gonna do like. I am constantly. I'm scanning every opportunity that is around me. I have a ten thousand monkeys or typewriters writing material. And i don't know if it's going to work but you're sort of like a rumba exactly exactly. Yeah but like the deluxe version. I have to be really present and also can't talk also have to be very careful not to smear my makeup. But here's really the trick. If doing comedic mine is as the great stem. Laurel laurel and hardy said if they laugh. It's funny don't laugh. it's not funny. So if they're laughing just keep doing that boys like that's it it's you know if they're laughing just keep doing what they're laughing at stands black and white he doesn't allow. There's no gray area there. There's no gpa's dangelo rough. Weck cedar waxwings peter. Yeah there's a scene. Where a stan is at oliver's house. He's waiting going away together sons of the desert. I believe yes. It is under the desert and over. Hardy's wife is very angry about it and she's yelling at oliver. Hardy and stan laurel is sitting at the kitchen table. And every time she looks over at him he pulls his hands onto his lap. Initi- looks away again. And he reaches out to the bowl of fruit in the in the center of the table and finally she catches him with there is and he's been eating waxed fruit and glowers at him and says wreck cedar great and then the best favorite part is that after he knows. It's wax fruit. He sneaks another bite. Act that we're not even looking at it but we're laughing is funny. Well you know what the great marcel marceau said. My makes the invisible visible and the visible invisible. At least that's what he told. The cop wanted to know why he wasn't wearing any pants will help pala into her brand new mind pants when we come back. The cat of the week is nebula from el cerrito california. We deserve to know what we're putting in our bodies and why especially when it comes to something. We take every day rituals clean vegan. Friendly multi-vitamin is formulated with high quality nutrients in bioavailable forms. 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Daniel strauss also known as pierre the mime and well before we run ahead with all the lessons in my leader. Just want to touch on really quickly. You became kind of a nationally known. Mine thanks to the show. Practical jokers right impractical impractical jokers. Yes correct. you were a penalty. You were a punishment. I was a punishment yes. I was punishment for brian. Q quinn who had failed some effort. What what he failed in doing but He had to be punished and he hates months. So of course punishment was to be handcuffed to a mind for twenty four hours. Unbeknownst to him while he was on his way down to baltimore's lyric theatre to two sold out shows in two thousand theater. He was handcuffed to a mind. So wow is insane. I had never done anything like this. So your deliver. As a mime for twenty four hours handcuffed to this dude while being filmed not only that. But i was told by the other guys to be as knowing as possible so i really up notch and was as knowing and when he couldn't take that i would of course become a puppy and by the end of the twenty four hours Food good friends but that was a long time to not talk especially for me. Yeah midnight run said you know. I'm peter marcel. Marceau was the most famous mime right. He was very popular and very well respected. He was so popular he actually had an lp. You put out an album of. That's a riot when and why then did people start saying they hated mimes like you know mimes limes aren't like a rash miser easily avoided if you don't like so. There's no thousand years old paula. You may remember this in the seventies mime was really cool. Yes you go to a city park and you see people like oh look. There's a minus go see. The volcano was fantastic. Mine and then. There was an hour long tv. Show cold shields and yarnell. It was a mime television. Show and i think what happened. Because that's that was the height of the mind craze. And i think people suddenly realized why the fuck every watching this and they suddenly hated my but i would still argue that you could just not watch television on that channel that night and i know that back then we only had like three channels but nonetheless. It's different than if you were watching a show that you liked right so you're watching gunsmoke and all of a sudden for christ's sakes it's preempted by shields in your now. Then you'd have reason episode has been interrupted breaking news. There's a mime central park. Let's go live. that would be i was. I would see that. I feel like it just became this cool thing to say like eight mimes like really easy to insult someone who can't talk back so i think that's when it jumped the shark as i. Let's get back to my loving. I want to get back mind loving. I wanna talk about paula's training regimen paula yet. So you told us about the box the cool thing about isolating your hands that needle. Excuse me my mistake. The first plane of the box would be one-sided provocateurs if you could see me right now. I'm making sort of a a lower hip movement and then pointing to the ceiling. At first i point to me. Then i make a lower hip movement and then i point up and what that means is my my my cup my mistake so go ahead. More of a sign language thing. Isn't it yeah yeah it would normally be done silently but we're not looking at each other okay so that was a wall. Tell me how to make it into a box so okay to make a box. Well we'll make it easy. We'll just assume that it's equal walls so if it's a small box ball we have to do is just turned ninety degrees and they place their hands. If here's what you do with your hands so place your hands on the wall in front of you write. Your fingers are spray. Got it there in the same plane like an imaginary right. Poll one of your hands away from the wall. Let it relax let it go limp and then place it back exactly where it was in have. It's splat wide open splat. That's so cool. And then do the other hand relaxed pulled away from the wall and split back in the wall and now go up and down or side to side. just move your hands or relax. Flat relaxed flat relaxed flat. And then you could also change the orientation of her hands. I'm just right look at that. You have an instant wall right now if you deter. If you turn ninety degrees you could do the same thing and that wall. But here's what here's yes. Here's what you make it. Look really grab at enter the everybody but if you wanna make this look box you start with the first wall. Splat your hands around he move you move your body will beside the sides in your hands or not moving at all right and then instead of just moving to the next wall at a ninety degree take the hand that's farthest from that wall and crossing over the hand and arm. That's it's really hard to keep the keep it. Keep it still. You can do it. I believe in you know. It's really hard to keep the plane by god. So now you're now you're crossing her arms in the person watching you imagined in their mind where that corner is otto. Yeah you're you're selling the illusion. And then what's your arms crossed than you take the remaining arm off the wall and you place it on your new person watching the flipping out repeat. You could do with all your walls and you could change. You can change the walls that could go across the whole rhythm as long as you are keeping your hands isolated in space while you are moving the rest of your body. It looks like they're on wall. And if you allow what the hell i'm talking about. Just go find an actual place their hands on the wall and practices that way. This is why. I'm loving now. Peter as a stand up comic to develop your timing and develop an audience you do open mic nights right. That's how you practice. You can't practice an empty room. It doesn't work that way. No do mimes do open mic nights. Would they go on like a comedy club. Is there a place with an imaginary brick wall behind the stage where you guys. There's no saying that you couldn't find a comedy club that might let you in. If they're not mine haters but go back to the nineteen seventies emmy people used to go outside on the street and yeah the park and you could actually be kind of bad and like and start. You know practicing figure it out back. Yeah that's true. Yeah you're right but now now that people the public announcement forgiving. You gotta be good to start so might find comedy club or an alternative. Probably more alternative comedy venue. That might do it but we are in the world of tiktok youtube instagram make videos get it out there and people are digging the only way to be really successful on tiktok is with baby goats but i could see where i could at baby goats be all right. Let's bring it back to the police. Training now are you going to have to be her. Burgess meredith like her mic and train. Her how physically demanding is this policy. Getting fed really probably. do you do to get. Why do a little workout regimen a couple times. A day nothing. Nothing enormous the whole goal of it is simply to build it. It's it's based on push-ups from the start. I just wanted to be able to do push. Ups yeah bala fuel-flexible do yoga for instance. I don't do yoga. And by the way it's banned in some alabama schools. I take on dover years i did take one for years i can kick my feet up over my head not at the same time because i can't do the same can kick a foot up over my head and then the other foot up over my head. That's amazing i would love to see them somewhat flexible. You sound very flexible paula. You're clearly very physically fit and able to do lots of things with your body but if you work with what you got even if you can't get a cherry if you can move your hands you can use. It could be francis the restricted mime. Not very flexible. I wanna say whenever you've been talking through any of this stuff. I've been doing it. I love that. And i just hope somewhere in traffic right now. Someone is doing this in their car in someone else's looking at a red light yes do not do not do not drive in mind please. This has been fantastic. Yes before you go. Where can people find stuff. If you're fans wanted to learn more about me in the weird side go to buy website. Peer dot com. I have a shock with some fun products. I'm going to give your fans a ten percent discount on codename. Paula is the promo code paula. Thank you so much. This has been so much fun. It has and it was excellent. But now peter what we're gonna do is we're gonna take all the information that you've given us and we're going to run it through the old poundstone eater as we call it. Oh it's so exciting. yeah here. We go paula house. Zach ford this piano music has been so terrific. It sounded like a complete orchestra. Let alone are span. So thank you. If i could trouble you for a little background music. I'll tell you what the old pounce donator spit out. Peter daniel strauss. I can't thank you enough for instructing me on a life of mine. I think you've steered me down the right path. Which so important that. My impressionable age. I mean right now. i'm meaning on a wall. No it's a box. I met a box. How how am. I going to get our of year. Oh i'll use this rump. I'm pulling the rope pulling the rope. Boiling myself our of the box. Wait here's some stairs. I'm climbing the stairs climbing the stairs. There's a blown a beautiful yellow balloon up in the sky. I'll grab the string. I'm about to float away. Take thanks a lot better. I could've been killed. Well paula. what do you think could you do it. Could you be a mime and remember. You can't talk at on july third. I'm going to have the great pleasure of performing standup comedy in boone north carolina at the appalachian summer arts festival. Appalachian university shave for center for the performing arts. All right and on july twenty fourth. I'll be in lincoln nebraska at the lead center for the performing arts a performing standup comedy. He's pierre the mine. Thank you so much my good friend. Peter daniel strauss. This is a great reunion things. Tony coming up next true. Confessions food edition listener edition when it comes to treating fine lines dark spots and other signs of aging. Your unique skin deserves unique care. You know my skin is so entirely unique. I did use to have a spot near my airline. It looked like australia. And i've used agencies skin stuff. I believe that's the correct technical term semi the stuff an instructions. And you know what. I didn't think that australia going to go away. But i have to tell you. Well you know what i gotta say if i could tell my past self anything from a skin care perspective. 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No trump is not president anymore. And you're anticipating on being on the supreme court months ago and when the lord and q. and donald j trump are at work together. Don't mark anything in your calendar in pan. President trump will be restored to his rat. Full place in due time and i will be placed on the supreme court where i will limit abortion rights to no time after the man has moaned with pleasure. Leading up to copulation. How many copies of quit. Now trump president will you'll be buying. I'm glad we haven't made our selection yet and we vote on our book choice. I get what you made. Wake you come on by the supreme court and ask slip the books to you from my role. You're not on this. I've got to go at him. I get another call. This could be in. Wow so that happened and now we can get back to what we were doing. Which is paula paula. Remember last week. Can you cast your mind back last week when we were our new segment. True confessions the food is you and me and tony. All confessed to these like weird food habits that we had and bonded and really do the assignment but it was entertaining nonetheless. Yes i do recall that. That isn't true. Yeah it is okay. What told some barely ten generally related tales and it was a kind of like if an elementary school. You're taking a math test. And the question was bob has to apple's. He gave one to marry. How many apples does bob have. A new said. Mary seems like a nice girl. I didn't have a lot to talk about really quick tip. You could buy non-fat powdered milk. So it has extra ingredients then you put it in your coffee or tea and it doesn't make it any colder. Now thank you very much for that tip but that again bonnie completely unrelated to what. We're doing yeah. Mary seems like a nice girl. Mary sounds like a very nice car. Well well with that. We got so many responses from our listeners. That were so much more on topic that bonnie burns that we decided to shut it off to this week to do true. Confessions food edition listener edition boot. God ball ball ball. I don't know what this happen with bonnie burns but Daddy dabo good for is money. It's doing so. I'm in favor harrison. Go all right get into some of our listeners. Weird food habits and practices beth johnson. Kent says i lick doritos. I rarely eat the chip. Just throw away the chips. It drives my kids crazy. That would drive me crazy data. So weird beth. Yeah it's pretty weird. And i gotta tell you i know somebody else. Who does that. And i hate to rat her. Out but Pope paula as you know one of the things about being a parent. Is your kid. Leaves food over and you eat it right because you don't want to waste it and you eat it right. Yeah yeah well. I started occasionally a year. Or so ago i would find that. My daughter had leftover cheetos or potato chips and pop them into my mouth and they'd be soggy. No yes it turned out. That vivian was doing what beth johnson can was doing and it was horrifying raising cattle. No looking to flavor of the chickens. No this is an upsetting behavior. Best johnson indeed. As much as. I love barbra streisand. If it turned out that she licked torito's and then threw away the chips. I think it would really put a wedge between us might papa. Can you see me. See why i don't like it anyway. Yeah yeah people. People who lick door read hose are the is. let's move on susan harris. Dorsey writes us. Just three words pizza and mayo to which i have three were. That's fucking grows. Eight fake mayonnaise now. I don't eat real mayonnaise. But the truth says the reason why bother with fake manny's is that i like mayonnaise so i maybe i might like that but it sounds a necessarily you know. I don't need the calories. Yeah it definitely seems like. I've decided that my arteries need to be punished. Yeah not unless. I'm going to be lauren. The limited mind. It's not enough for me to cram pizza into my body. But i i'm gonna put mayonnaise on that and then i'm going to smoke a pack of camels. Yeah i might put some sugar on it to be honest. That could be good but sugar's good on everything on it could be. It could be because you get the savory and the sweet and savory lewis says i used to love eating a name yes it is named las. Mam that's ridiculous. His name is louis louis until just now. He's a fan of louis. Gusman up tell you your name. Is louis lastman by god. You go judge and you have your name. Change louis lust. Yeah it's his name as name as that. What kind of a host or you that. You're making fun of our listeners. Names for my last name is poundstone. Deserves a fair amount of derision. But yeah you're right a little strange but he said that. I used to love eating a bowl of peanuts covered in whipped cream. That's too gross things. You don't like peanuts or whip cream. Well it's a great by the way. Let me just say that these. Submissions are really great. Weird food addition. Yeah true confessions absolutely because a ball of peanuts covered in whipped cream. That is and it's by louis lust man. That's gotta be a joke. That's ridiculous joke. move on. I think it is eighty. Grady says i eat popcorn lunatic. Go one colonel at a time biting off the crispy little bits and saving the puffy bits. A little dish to enjoy separately at the end. It's a textural extravaganza. Wow see i liked the crispy little currently bits. I would do it the other way around. Well she saving the puffy bids for last right but the currently bits. That's the part that gets stuck like in the back of your throat and you can. You can be going day off. Jeez yeah in fact. I'll tell you something. It was the worst part of moby dick for bonnie which was the popcorn the little halls of the popcorn. That was really hard part for binding to get past. yeah precisely. She didn't watch the movie she just said. She's eight the popcorn. I know i know her. I got it eric. Martinez ortega says i dipped my hot cheetos in cream. Cheese now eric. That is innovative. But i would say that's not gross. I don't know how you can dip them and cream cheese quite honestly because the hot cheeto itself is not really stable enough from an engineering point of view cream. Cheese is a stiff substance. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that eric martinez ortega goes ahead and buys the whipped cream cheese like we do in this household all reds a lot easier. And you see. I can see you taking a flaming hot cheetos just dipping in the nobody else can use cream cheese. So i presume that eric martinez ortega lives alone. Well no you know what he could do what he could take a little bit of whipped cream cheese and put it in a little dish dip. It you don't have to contaminate the entire container of whip cream cheese entirely right. Paul thank goodness. You don't work in the school cafeteria. What is tanya trombley do. She says plane penny pasta al dente with canned tuna survived on that alter undergrad. And it's still one of my go. To's when i'm starving and lack of imagination. Well you're just making a tuna noodle casserole and kind of go for fancy up by calling it a pastel dante. I used to make kraft macaroni and cheese and put a can of tuna in there and then it can't appease and well into the hands but it was term it was really delicious and i lived off that for a whole week. So guess what tanya you don't have to go to college to to a casserole if you like. Tiny has taken a little too much of your eye uneducated tuna casserole. How about that. I was a tanya tiny just add some seasoning and cheese and you actually have tuna noodle casserole. Know what else you could do. Tanya you could scrape the orange shit. Beth johnson cance tongue when she torito's and use that for your stuff. Thank you beth. Johnson kent for holding onto that stuff. Okay go banker. He's disappointing here. Corn mixed into mashed potatoes. Well bob everybody who's headcorn next to mashed. Potatoes has had corn mashed potatoes. Oh apparently bob was one of those kids who made a firm rule. I was like that when i was little. I could not tolerate one. Food touching another osa for bob. This is a walk on the wild side. Yes oh bob had never experienced this before. None of the rules applied tonight but in court in my mashed potatoes. How drunk were you when you came up with that idea. Bob corn mashed potatoes. Yeah you know what i like. Mashed potatoes was that. I like to make a little hole in the center of my mashed potato blob and fill it with fake butter and then seal it up again and then years and years later many years later somebody will be walking across my kitchen table and find it tony. Anita hill just moaned in an unseemly. Fashion right there. She loves that idea. Almost too much cisco's. She's making herself louis less than body. You don't like that idea. I think boy. Paula and who eats mayonnaise. That is the most disgusting food. Isn't it like six and oil. Something eight fake minis. Now what's in fake as i have. No idea that's one of the things about me. I don't know eat vegan vegan. That's oh that's probably good. Crumley spent tasked full of sugar. You hate man as Who me no. I wouldn't go near main. Yes and bonnie let me ask you. What is your ethnic background. What is my ethnic background right. Why do you need to know that. A reason for katzman jewish background juice donate mayonnaise. I get it okay. But this is really gross. That's gets my family at all but we cool up for some reason. My mom put mayonnaise. Inner chop liver. Don't do you know. yeah your mom. If we had excommunication she would have been excommunicated. I think i can think of certain rabbis that would invent jewish excommunication just to throw your mom out for that chop liver in mayonnaise business. You remember that great song from fiddler on the roof. If i add some mayonnaise ver. That's why you get so upset when his daughter. Mary's the cossack because he's like there's going to be mayonnaise in my family. Yeah he knows coleslaw coming his way. I met paula. And thank you at a coffee shop or something where we got together in the beginning and mapped out her career paper action sm- she used to open up those sugar packets and just pound him. Down your mouth. Yeah like three or four at a time. Yeah but i. I wasn't eating male bella quickly. Yes yeah so. Google do jews eat mayo and of course you did. Of course the first commercial manny's was invented by a new york jew. Probably helmand there. You go yeah no no. It's not that you don't ever mess with mayonnaise. It's just that people who are not juiced tend to think like that's what you put on a ham and cheese sandwich opposed to mustard. There's just the use of mayonnaise. Excessive died as far as user. Catoon outside of the jewish world. There's just too much mayonnaise. Wanna make sure that people send their complaints to adam felber. He's the one that said all the things about jewish and how much mayonnaise the where complaints about adam. Felber email us at. Nobody listens to happening this insurrection. Anyway newnan says my mom pre toasts alert toast for the week. on sunday. logan heavier mom listened to the ocd episode from two weeks ago. Oh my gosh. that's so funny. She hosts it logan. Now you know what it's like to get from room service breakfast from room service. It's always called toast. When she preto sit meaning she put so into double toasted right or she puts it in the microwave to reenergize it. Yeah yeah but then you gotta eat fast because it hard though. That's that's weird all right so you know what that tells us. Don't go visit. Mrs newnan on sunday. She's busy pre toasting. And don't visit on saturday. Because you're getting six-day-old toast right. That's a good point right there. Yeah you got to visit her on monday. That's really your only hope you're getting six day. All twice toasted toast. I won't be there. She's got to end up with a lot of worm. Food that day compost on saturdays. Toast and that ladies and gentlemen is true. Confessions food edition audience addition. These were great. Weird food thing gobble. Gobble gobble gobble on how we're how we're gonna top food with our next. Drew confessions thing but that was fantastic. Can fashion i kept audio version. But he kept telling me that she wanted. She wanted to find some old radio. Music from like a show called the whistler. She said where they start out going. Who is though whistler. And i said bonnie the problem with that is from a mystery show and this isn't a mystery show is people talking about what kind of weird food things they do. And she said what about if we use the music from the whistler where they go off who is the whistle. She had to repeat her over and over. Why that didn't make any sense and in the end should probably going to send you an email tonight. She really wants to use the whistler museum. This what's my point. What i was saying to her was that we can have a theme song. It goes like this goes I could do it like this new confession. But do you see my point. Is you confessing to a crime. These are not just not the same thing. God i'm going to fight my way out of this segment somehow. I'm stuck in a box ours. Hours all right. He'll clinging to the idea if you have questions or comments or you want to bitch about how we run our book club or maybe you have some idea for a great radio. Themed theme song to the true confession segment. Send those ideas to. Nobody listens to paula. Poundstone at gmail.com. Now paula poundstone besides the incredible and endless work. That we're doing on our true confessions theme song. What else is going on in your poundstone product empire this week adam poundstone industries also known as lipstick. Nancy inc is performing beyond expectations. I believe it's because it's such a supportive work environment. I mean we ever problems of course but we work out by listening to one another you. Arguments in the case window versus poundstone industries. I encourage listeners to go on my website. Paula poundstone dot com. And just mess around. There's comedy videos revealing photos. My remarkably soft tripod t shirts available. And you can click on the tour page to find out when i'll be performing at a live theater near you. Listeners can order. A custom made video message from me to their friend or loved one at cameo dot com slash. Dpd three three. That's cameo dot com slash pulpy. three three. There's so much more to tell you but heidi heidi. I would love to talk about my run for the us senate which announcing this week. But i can't thanks. Heidi anyway subscribed to this podcast. It's free you'll get it every week at no charge and no obligation. 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And we're just gonna said we've got the sweaty day's coming up, which is better than the freezing shivering days, I disagree. But I mean, I'm a real sweaty guy. So I'm, I'm gonna slicking my sweat on other people. That's true. Pretty sweaty too. Yeah. But I just I just wanted the reason I brought that up is because I saw Ricky, there's a big fobbing, Rick and he was sweating. His just he's he was peak sweaty already in the next. They're sweating. These action vary. Hedge out for a large, man. So you talk about your jitsu people like that are huge problem. He's huge. If you know if he gets a good, hold on. Yeah. So big Rick shot at the big rig and shut out to Daniel, Strauss. Dan, Strauss, the wild man who you've, you've trained with Daniel Strauss, he received on this last Friday night. He had a fight on Bella tour after being out for a year and a little more near a little less near now. Can't do it of motorcycle wreck, which it's only a matter of time those things he was telling his story Bella tour. And in the prefight Rolla, and I guess he was out, right? A motorcycles with his buddy until four o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Just about that the timing the wreck. Yeah, there's about sat Betty still rises much. Oh, I'm sure that thing. Yeah, it didn't it didn't seem like he was given that up. And I guess he had essentially just tried to Papa William to heaven, you know, and he doesn't remember the crash, but it really he launched himself over guardrail at probably a high-velocity high-velocity fuck in this happened in December two thousand seventeen. Okay. In what happened was that, there is some conditioning, had, but the but the, the, the way the condition manifest itself was the entire right side of his body was paralyzed. Oh, no. And the doctor. Was like you're not going to walk again. Let alone a little intimate fight in Strauss, of course, courses basically fuck you fuck Yam gonna walk again in we're gonna fight again. Annie E definitely it. So it's it showed a lot of his rehab from, you know from the first week or two after the accident to, you know, six months in and then twelve months in and you know, it looked like a long hard road. He had one of those bucket halos, you know that they put your fucking head and all that stuff. We does significance Spiner neck injuries or cranial injuries. So he wasn't fucking around. It's crazy in, I guess, you know, my I always saw Strauss's real very significant pressure fighter, and with a great wrestling. You know, great wrestling set skillset. Right. And, and, you know, my educated is at a difficult time seeing how has his game had changed. But it. From what the broadcasters were saying. And from what I saw in the fight it did seem like he you know, he's, he's had to change his whole approach her in, like even like really learn like footwork and stuff. I'm sure like having one side of your body just down for the count. You had to make some adjustments kinda like goes on to show you how adaptable, humans are, you know, this guy could just will himself to change his fighting style after at, you know, and still be effective at the highest levels have to going through a fucking ordeal, like that, where he can't use one side of his body, kind of has to relearn. And that's if this his right side is I think he fights left-handed but he might be right handed. Right. Or I'm speculating, but I think he's right handed, he fights left hand. So that's his dominant side to, as it's that's really a a quite a feat. You know to, to be able to relieve yourself like that. And then come back and beat somebody up to another professional. And so the, the fight didn't get out of the first round. And strauss. Molly wop. This guy knocked him on his ass, and then gut circled around for the chalk after putting some pressure on, on the ground and, and, and got one of those jokes where his arm went across his jaw houses Chan. Yeah. Yeah. We'll powered through it. Hey, hey, gets it done. If you get the grip little shoulder cap. You know, sure having the shoulder and then just going for it. And he did have that. Yeah. And anybody put that, that big, you know, put the hand behind the head and put that big squeeze on in Strauss. At the end was like. Yeah. I wanted to wrap this thing up right? Get ready for another rep. You know. So he was definitely hype after the fight and real positive and you know, it's it is a feel good story. It's rare that those it's, it's hard. It's hard to find the stories. You know, the actually work out the right way in the end. Yeah. You know. Yeah. That he you know, get some kind of good resolution of effort. Sure. Yeah. Where he come back from a motorcycle accident, which is credibly now. Those things motorcycles are probably I mean, driving cars pretty dangerous. You know, it's probably the most dangerous thing we do on a day to day bays lasers. Right. Yeah. So just a motorcycle just compounds at risk. Oh to total death machine. But I'm all for it. I mean, you wanna have some fun. Let's let loose ends assuming that we're helmet. Yes. Madness. I drive a motorcycle. Like when I moved to California, I had a motorcycle those my day to day. And I was ripping that around southern California, and it is it's fucking fun. It really is fire you know, especially you get comfortable, get even more dangerous or hell for you don't have to wait on any of the traffic driving between the twin the cars. It's like a fucking. It's like a playground motorcycle. Plague in could you Papa Whealy on it? Thank bucknell. I'm not doing none of that shit. You need him. You didn't have the right bike for that. But well, come on. I know I really didn't have the right by. It was it was like a sport bike, but it was like a bigger Qatada, Suzuki Catanha seven fifty. So it was a little like bigger body than like a like a they come jitters, have you heard of these jigs or a says, I think it's sukey. I'm some butcher in this probably. But it's, it's more of a, a comp. Packed sport bike. You know where you can do shit like that. Okay. Mine is like a longer like a Cadillac type type thing had a big. Oh, fuck and seat on the back, you know. Okay. So it wasn't like this. It was a sport bike, like I'm leaning forward, but it's not necessarily like pop wheelies type. But it went plenty plenty fast. I mean, you know did you ever launched yourself over on that thing or no? Got into a wreck on the six oh five freeway. And like I was driving and. Traffic came to an abrupt halt. And there was an expedition in front of me. And like. I tried to slow down couldn't slow down. And I kinda I ended up. You know against my will in the middle of the lane. It's kinda slipper in the middle of the lane. 'cause from all the oil, I guess, trips down from cars, okay? And I just started my here. My front tire sound like a seal. You know it's just sliding slipping on this, this oil. And then I just, I remember going like fifty forty five verify I was probably going, I was probably going out, sixty sixty five when I started that celebrating. Yeah. And like I bet I hit her. I was going like thirty five forty something like that. Lots of danger there. Yeah. And I just I hit the hit the back of the car, and like went into the back of a car. Basically, I was driving to work out and I pulled over afterwards. And she was like, oh my God. Are you? Okay. You okay. Oh my God. I think I'm all right. You know. So, you know, pulled over we're back to work out and then went to back to my apartment and. Like made a plan to get a car. I was like okay done with this. He brushed up against mortality. Yeah. So, you know it was a it was a pretty. It was scary. You know. And I didn't I didn't do anything serious, like I didn't like lay the bike down or anything like that. You know, but the fucking handlebars started wobbling on me and that was that was pretty scary. When I was gonna make your butt holes pretty take what else is going to emails going faster than you would like to have something happen to you. That's faster than he normally like to dismount your view. Right. You know, you're not trying to do any dismount on the freeway now striding on the on the six oh, five because there's all sorts of motherfuckers behind you that. Yeah. Like able, you know this is before people were super heavy on their cellphones. I I've yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I had an ipad ipod at this point. So, but yeah, there's no, there's as low percentage for you to fall off a motorcycle on the freeway in a low percentage of that one being feel-good story. Yeah, you're gonna deaths Becker. Yeah. The the other fight. There's a the FCC also had a card this weekend to in the headliner was the gatekeeper bozo fight. So the fight lasts around maybe three minutes into the first round. And tell what are your thoughts on that? Fife the man that was a fight that I was talking to the gym the other day. And I was like, man, I watched that seven days a week to fund fight, you know, it's going to be crazy. I wish it would last a little longer, but you can't always get everything. Can't have everything, right? Yeah. Went pretty much just like how you would expect it to fight between those two lot of leg kicks early. And that was fun to watch, you know, and then gay Tuesday able to start back in Barboza, which is kinda like gay cheese game. And he he's really starting to starting to work his jab into the combinations. Unnoticed, a couple of times there were use Barboza was expecting gate, you'd like commit to a flurry of punches in the cage, just. Popped them with the jab, you know, kinda thrown Barboza's expectations off. Okay. So, you know, they, they gave she previously would just enter with the sort of the haymaker, sorta windmill stuff. He's going forward versus now. He he might be entering behind, jab, right? Or faint or whatever. So just seeing, you know him kind of become more educated in, in that fight. He really didn't. He you know, he took one or two hard shots in that inning. You know, we're talking about two and a half minutes to so, you know, on average, that's kind of a lot of hard Jesper fight, but he's getting done early to fight the whole fight, you know, so Yemen. Those those that was a fun when I was one for the fans for sure. So gauge, he gets out of sort of danger distance between bar Boza. Right. That doesn't allow our boast dictate that, that striking distance. Yeah. In what you're pushing a guy like Barboza backwards at likes to kick a lot you kinda like almost notify one of his biggest weapons, you know, he's moving back. Or visa against the fence. It's kinda like. Harder to kick in those situations, you know. And so I saw there's at forty minutes to or forty seconds to a minute of gay CI with sort of a he reaches under our Bose's arm with his left arm. So he's got an under hook on his left side. And he's got his head under our Bosaso chin into his into the side of his face. And then he's just kinda working his right hand. He striking and keeping bar, Boza contained. So how would you describe that? What does that position? And what is he accomplishing their? That's like a, that's a pretty come position for wrestlers. I mean I like to elect work from there and not even wrestlers, but in MMA against the cage, that's probably one of the most common position Joseph is kind of a position, that's, like that's been with Emam eighth since it started, you know, with the especially among wrestlers where he got a guy against cage, and you got we call it. Good head position. I think we've talked about that, too. Just in a grappling. Sensors always some kind of head position that there's always, you know, you can pretty much consider your head and grabbing sense. You can consider your head and appendage. Right. Like I can use my head for things. You know, and I can put a places where you know, it's uncomfortable or gets something done for me, you know. So it's almost like an appendage, right? So when you have head position that's how kind of how you're thinking of the top of your head. And that's when you're in that under her position, you don't want to let the guy had the head and your neck in have you have you kinda like looking away. So you want to kind of do that to him. And that's what gates he was do that under hook. And then he's put his head under Barboza's Chand to kind of stand him up and, and kinda just make him less effective. You know, he's already at a disadvantage because feeder square on the cage within, you add that dementia worries standing up and Cates. He's got one arm free, you know that he can mess around with two in that just kind of to. It's not a great position. There's. It's not a great position for the defense of guides really like, kinda using the cage. They're also pushed the stand the guy up, so a lot of options for their for the offensive guy there. And so gay Chee Barboza in that position gate. There's hand fighting going on where gay at Barbosa trying to contain gauges right hand because cages right hand is seeking out. He's hitting his face, and his it striking. He strike into the stomach in, you know, in, in got a number of strikes off there. And then in the discipline, when they didn't gauged, you know, a gate you miss. But of course, he threw something just some vicious flooding nightmare. Adam kinda like through a right hand, and then like step through kinda made his right hand hook. You know, and he's been he's been catching people like almost circling into his right hand with James Vick. I'm thinking of two to Vic is just so tall that it's hard to get out of the way one of those fast balls. No gates. You also just like he's got good like positional habits and the indicate, you know, so sometimes like. What people think pressure, they think of a fighter going forward all the time. That's really not what it's all about, especially, especially in, in a octagon or circle. Like belt or fights circle cage, there's a lot of room for the guy to get out, you know, fear square square K or square ring. You know, you can it's easier to corral, the guy into a smaller space. You know, but circle are Ogden really kinda favors the defensive guy moving, you know, so gauge he is really good about. Getting back to the center in cutting his opponents motion off instead of like circle him with him. So that's how he creates those pressure situations where he can like he can like explode on people, you know, so in some more that to like, as they were breaking gates choose like circling back to the Kate circling back to the middle quicker, and is getting to the middle and given Barboza less space to work, you know, so that stuff that a lot of people don't think about. But just those cage positioning things, you know, are pretty they add another dimension to the to the fight. There's also that rumor that gates his eyesight is so bad that he has to corral people and close to him. Yeah. They he says he can't see him otherwise. And of course, that fits perfectly into his fights or is fun style is created to fit his, his diminished eyesight, whether that's true or not, you know Sherman of good enough to catch, you know. You know to get in there and you know he's he's doing better defensively too. So, you know, maybe he's just got some ingrained motions, which I think was the idea the person that told me that the idea was like his trainer coming compensates for this by making him like I don't want to say reactionary, but he just like covers in and catches him pitches. You know so, like he'll catch something off his arms with good defensive posture in than he knows this wing back. You know. So it's been working for him whether he can see you're not because, you know, it's gotta be hard to have bad eyesight, like my aunt my sights pretty good. But I mean you can't work context in their can't can't put your fucking win bonus on contacts. The pop out your hands shake and you can't fucking put him back in for now. So you just gotta work with what you got in that situation. You know, so is, is, is a good enough to pass his fucking prefight things that they they, they administer. So I don't know. I'm not saying those prefight things are as rigorous as they could be. Sure. But, you know, I think he's a he's doing pretty good on his limited. Eyesight, would you thinking about for your next fight? Have you been working away through that? Well, yeah I'm not sure but I'm going to what I'm gonna do. I'm just training right now. So high there was something that was going on for may. But in the person that I was gonna fight is somebody who was like running their mouth a few years ago when, when I was suspended who's actually run in his mouth when I spend it. So, you know, this was this was back in my in my like. When I was going hard on Facebook and social media's, I guess, sure just be like, you know, I wasn't like filtering. I feel like I'm filtering a lot on social media. These days, you know, like I don't. Unopposed as much as I used to or anything like that. You know. So anyway, he was he was talking on Facebook and I was spending. I was like, dude. The. I went on there and just gals like listen view. You wanna fight. We're both in the same city I gave him the address the gym come. We can do whatever money, we will put some money on it, too. We'll both Nina truly price fighting and eliminate the middleman and Okram. Yeah, we can do that. And of course, never heard from this guy again. And so there was an a local community where I was going to get to fight him and I was down for that, then he's got something going on. So is this guy up LA now? Oh, come on. What is that? If we can't get the inside line on this. What's the point? Well, I you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna give them that satisfaction tie podcasts. Are you kidding me? And say you're gonna I'm not satisfied. Could deny me my satisfaction. We're, we're the loyalist. Just now. He's not he's not worth it. Well, okay. I disagree strongly, but you and I disagree about things we disagree. Yes. All right. So that, that fell through because he's got his thing in his thing. And so we're now we're looking at the summer still possibility. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's what the idea, I wanna be like ready to fight, you know, so we'll see an one seventy most likely. Oh, yeah, dude. Because you're looking thing like I'm yeah. I'm a I'm listening weights and I'm main pretty good, you know. Yeah. So I'm just I'm gonna go. I'm about as heavy. I want to be right now, though. So I'm kind of feeling that this is because, you know, I haven't you have been like training as hard as I don't know. I feel like I've been back off just a little bit. But I feel ING like like having I'm having diminished returns at the point weight wise where I'm like getting diminished returns, I come too heavy. You know, so I need to back off a little bit and settled around, like eighty five you know so you a couple of weeks ago you went to Hawaii for a little bit. I did. Yeah. About the trip to main of good. It was it was a fun trip. We did we had like a week there, which was kinda nice, but we, we were getting up early every day. So the time change wasn't crazy. When came back in has like ended up, we were there for daylight savings time. So it was like five. Our five hours difference, which you're right. The South America and the Caribbean. Kind of have the advantage to advantages on Hawaii. Okay. That I'm that. I'm agreeing with you on a go ahead. I van edge is no time difference. Little small time difference. Right. K say if you're gonna Mexico, whatever, you know, or anywhere where you went this time difference, second vantage is Hawaiians like since Hawaii. I feel like it's a wise part of America. There's like there's this thing where you're paying twenty bucks for a hamburger. You know, the price the price. Prices. Well, the prices are the prices, you know. Well, yeah. You gotta you gotta end shed further and o. Ev. Yeah, almost every day, right? Yeah. I mean everything. And what about my other theory that Hawaiians always have a big front up in their face? There's in a bad fucking move all the time. What seems true it seems a little bit of that. But just imagine dealing with fucking American tourists all the time. I that's not fair you deal with Americans every day. I know. But they're not tourists. I knew Americans that are like they live here. You know, I don't know. There's a, there's a huge difference like we were at the Hollyoaks Ella, which is volcano were, but people go to watch sunrise and shit. And, you know, we're, we're like above the clouds wasn't son, come of free sweet, you know, but, you know there's this nice clearly roped off area in the ladies that, that's working there. She was like, you know, she did seem like shoes. It was it was like three in the morning, four in the morning, something super early. But, you know, then there's these dumb asses jumping over the fence, and she's got to go there and fucking yell at them and trying to get a the premium self. Right. There's just there's it's pretty crowded. So there's, there's these people fucking jumping over the fence, and she has to go over there and being crowded mother gotta yell at some dumb ass, who fucking jumped over this clearly marked fence. Like how often do you think that happens there? Yeah. Probably ever fuck. You once a winsor max arbiter, minimum, right? Yeah. So, you know it was that's an Hawaii. There's a lot. I mean, we were on Maui. So I guess it's not as I did feel like there's a lot of tourists there. But not as many as Honolulu when I went there for sure. And did you get to train when you're out there? I didn't. Yeah. The train. We were staying like there was one place that was like kinda close in the place that I wanted to go like an hour away, basically. Yeah. Track. So we didn't that throws the whole day. Now. Yeah. If you wanna get a couple of good couple of hours in. That's that's a pre. It's like half the day. Gotcha. But how is beautiful man? I recommend definitely going. We did a lot of cool things we went fishing one day which was fun. You know, would you catch time we caught some alma Kojak which, which were the bigger ones, and then some kind of small snapper in? Did you eat that? Yeah, we definitely eight it all it was delicious, as something about fresh fish, like when, when you leave it in the fridge, like I left it in the fridge, and I'm like, we didn't have any ziplock see now and I was coming shit. You know, might smell the whole fridge and it didn't smell at all, like, doesn't smell fishy at all. Yeah. You know there. You are the beginning of the supply chain there. So you've got you've got a lot of time before that things starts getting gamy, and the fish was great. It was awesome. So any other highlights from that trip see the hiking. You did that. You saw the way he went whale-watching. So you got close to a whale. That's how big like how big is on school. Bus one school bus one tonne per foot. Avoidable is what they say that, I guess, is like a general measurement, which is, you know, fucking a school bus says it's like a thirty ton wheel. You know, right how long has the school bus fucking twenty five feet. He got me and that's not my. Special weights and measures. In why are these guys like what? What are the whales do like they are they coming around, like, why are they coming up to you? Are they are? They throwing chum out there for no, not do anything like that. Okay. No, I don't think they're, they're showing their they'll do that. Okay. I think that's a like feeding the wildlife. What's wail? What's the incentive for the whale not just like just either Nigg nor you completely not swim by you? Well, the there's like some rule where you can only you can only take a boat or vessel or you can only go. I mean this is even like if you're scuba diving I guess I think I think it was like I don't remember but it's a certain distance where you know, they have to shut out the Motors, it can't go any closures. I don't know. The whales are just they're just personable they. Yeah. They've maybe that's it. I don't see what's up. There's other kinds of mammals, though, that don't really fuck with us though, like if if we see. If we see a fucking deer the deer, like doesn't hang out and fucking jump around for us anything like that. The deer fucking gets the fuck out of there, right? Yeah. Yeah. So what are these Wales's is hang out, in, like they're just going about their business? I don't know if they're performing for us or not. But they're just out there, you know, they're like, oh, these guys aren't hurting us. So we'll just hang out over here, too. And then eventually they go, and then they do something else, and then we troll around and we find some other ways when we get to this certain distance in the whales. Sometimes they take off. Sometimes they hang out in flap around. Gotcha. But other mammals don't do that to us. You know, might you think well to that. I don't know especially since Wales. You know have been hunted by us right in there. Certainly that, that history there and not always are protected in all places. So that, that, that humpback, that might be protected in this wine, waters, might not be projected on the way up to Alaska. You know, some Japanese trawler any trawler income by put a knife in it. And, you know, cut it up for fuel or fucking oil, and all the and in great good stuff me. You know what I mean? I don't I don't think I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't wanna eat any seizures like that. I'll eat fish. But I don't think I don't know it. See, that's sweet. Why do I have a problem with those males but I will eat it like cow. Yeah. Now it's a, it's because I think the us in the whales, realized something about each other. You know, there's like there's certain there's gotta be some kind of certain kinship that we realize on some level, you know, like we kind of realized the whales. Aren't just heartless animals and their their, the thing in this, maybe the same thing about us. But that that's, that's that word that I can never pronounce these anthro at the more fighting. Yeah, that, that I think that, that you might be doing that. But yes, they may be super hyper intelligent creatures to on the other side. I don't know which one it is. But it it could be gazing at them and filling in all sorts of feelings and motivations. So these guys there are certain are different like groups of them around the world, and they all have the groups all have their, they're like a gay, you know, kind of remind him this story, I'm gonna tell you, my daughter, that happened Friday. But like they all have their own specific song that they sing and then they change it periodically like one wheel add apart to the beginning and a piece of fall off the end. And so eventually, they all have a different song, but they all sing it the same way. Does that make sense? And so, like. The people that listen to him can identify where these royals are from by their by the song that they say. We're so reminds me it reminds me my daughter was in lunch with the them on Friday. I went to school that you launch with them in, like jen's been hanging out with these, these guys, you know, she's got some 'cause I don't know. I don't know if the girls are really catty that's a stereotype. There's like some there's like some covert arguing that goes on with girls that I noticed a little bit more than what happens with guys. Yeah. I think that really manifest itself in fourth grade fifth grade destroyed. I mean that's when get serious. Yeah. And the boys are, you know, they're, they're like. There's just more physical oriented like you know they're their arguments in their expressions. That kind of thing you know. So she's been hanging out with the few of these boys, right? And like she comes home, and I don't I didn't know that this came from the group, she come home comes home and makes his silly noise, you know, that she does all the time and allergies does, so I realized when I'm eating lunch like she's over two separate table with me and her friend, and then her group of that she normally eats lunch with is sitting at the table, and I hear the silly noise at the other end of the, the lunchroom that Jalen makes it home. I'm like, that's not the Jalen makes though some other kit. And I look over, and this kid is like, pointing Jalen and Jalen doesn't even look she. She just reaches up and makes her silly noise in the air like a little greedy between, like tribes like, yes, I knowledge you for across the lunchroom. It was just kinda reminds me the whales in their song. Like, yeah, they're just like singing from across the world, though. You know, water. So yeah, it's kinda funny. Like, she she would never have a that's important grade shit all the. It's like a it's like a fucking. You know how like like Crips and shit. They'll do the they'll do the what do they do? They fucking hey, you, you know, they in the L throughout neighborhood, just the to acknowledge kinda take role you know. Calm. Yeah. Just an affiliation type thing you know. So she's got a little little homeys at school. You know, the remind me the whales got their come on responsive. They got their song. What else you have to believe? I did. Yes, South America. Yeah. South margaritas. And you know I it's just a. That, that afro-caribbean. I it's like blazes is at the intersection of all these different cultures. Right. So they had the Mayan culture, which is sort of an umbrella term for all those indigenous peoples right from the native mirror nominated sorry. For the fun of. Yeah. South America native American so's native Americans lately. But with is the proper term. Okay. I think in die. But in. Anyway. So, yeah, the Mayans like the big umbrella. Okay. And so you got that Mayan culture. There in listen, the Mayans built fourteen hundred years ago, they built two of the taller structures and beliefs that still stand today that are still the tallest structures and beliefs, really what I what are they, I'm going to. I'm going to mispronounce the both these Caracol what I think I pronounce occurred. You know, those kids for me Xanten itch. Okay. Xanten at your. So these are two really tall pure, pure structures. Okay. Now, it speaks to of course, the, the engineering and the building and infrastructure power of the of the Mayans, but it also speaks that the believes the ins no mater, dei believes are fucking up, you know that they're not building. You know there's like they gotta lean lean-to's and. Anything? That's why they need anything. Okay. Why do they need tall buildings to be like I civilize is there is there commerce? They don't know that. Yeah. I mean, not a lot not a lot. It's a successful by western Steiner by by skyscraper standards. Let's okay. They don't wanna scar the jungle that type of shit. Yeah. You know, I it just it's an interesting thing. So it speaks I think to the power of the Maya if it also speaks to the believes he is fucking. That the proper term believe scenes, but yeah, I think that's great. I think that'll that'll get you get you through the door believes fucking up. No. I love the blazer. They're great. They are really. It's a really exceptional country. It's really special. It's fucking awesome. So you got in there, here's, here's one of the reasons why she got the Mayans, right? And then you had the Spanish come through, and then you had the British come through. And then you had. African slaves escaping and escaping into Belize. I don't think believes ever had slavery. I think it was a L. I think it was a place that, that, that slaves could find harbor, some kind of harbor. In so you have you have these all these intersections of these great cultures. And in the intersection is believes, you know, and I guess you have that you have that intersection elsewhere in the Caribbean. But police's really, it's really neat. Because you have all these different you have the Garifuna, which are the these, the African that managed to carry some of that African culture and keep keep a lot of it with them in that in that trip from Africa to the Caribbean, and you have the Creole, which is, you know, the mix of the, the British and the Spanish, and the, and the Garifuna and the French, and that, that big melting pot, then you had the mystique, so which is sort of the Spanish play with the with the Mayan play. And then you had the straight Mayans, and so it's, it's really it's, it's, it's, it's a pretty interesting crossroads, but it's, it's. It's nothing's happening there and for better for worse, other than, you know, bananas and it's not you know that they export bananas occasion to, you know, do the expert in, in a very yeah. That's like their major export hook. You know, a fucking autocell bananas. And but the but it's still not, however, their position, even though they are positioned, you could drive from here to believe, to Placentia were, we were actually getting a car drive there. No problem through Mexico to Mexico middle central mayor. Yeah. How long that take you think at it would take two or three days? I think do you think you could make that drive through Mexico through all those places? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think so I gotta just I think is as long as you keep moving. And you travel during the daytime. I mean your your success is pretty high. You're going to get pesos and stuff before you leave. I mean Mexico's fucking Mexico's. Not a war zone as I'm exaggerating. Right. No. I mean, it's a it's probably just it's like the same idea of, like, can you drive through Chicago and live. Yeah. You probably can get drive through Chicago and live. I think you're dangerous. Your danger may be elevated a little bit in Mexico, but it wouldn't be that much more. You know, as in addition to the dangers of driving around in the first place span in a car believes is also great because everything is, is, is relatively inexpensive. I mean it is dirt. It's close to achieve it was cheaper ten years ago, we went ten years ago, and it was less expensive. It wasn't stupid expensive now to where you're when I think, in other parts of the Caribbean. That, that, yeah, the prices have caught up with through the western world. You know, in everybody's happy as hell to see ya that, you know, it's not like it's not like a tourist act where. Somebody sees ya and they, they want engage with you talk with you. It's everybody's genuinely friendly and, and it's pretty super easy going now. 'cause I you know, I'm I'm an uptight person as it is. And so, but like, basically, people like look at me and believes, like I'm having a panic attack like, when normally you know, they want to seek medical attention for me, you know, like all right? Yeah. Or put like a cold rag on top of the head, you know, and cool me off. Like I remember. I was like, I, we just got we flew into the airport, and we're gonna take up smaller plane puddle jumper down to a Placentia from believe city, and I was trying to make change. I was buying a beer at the restaurant, and I was trying to make change with the lady in, I'm like, in my normal sort of mode, you know, kinda low key Bannock attack, you know, and the lady like literally said, it's okay. Trying to count my change, you know, trying to give her the right genes. It's like it's okay. It's like she's like, listen you know, she didn't say this. But by her saying, okay, it's like she's like, you know, we're all here, you, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going to run from you. I give me the proper change now. And so, it's that whole thing that American hustle. Yeah. I've just like move move move, you know, gotta keep going. I don't know what I'm gonna Rushmore. So basically that at that moment, I realized I was making a huge mistake. And so I basically just sat down and scissor myself with the local bigger and got got in the Garib, Ian or Giridih mood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the way you do it when you're on vacation, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely say the Latin America. That's one benefit to traveling near I guess, when you're an American, you know, car currencies fairly strong. So you don't you don't get that, that benefit when you travel, the who. Hawaii. You know. No, no. So I and my, my negative impressions of Hawaiians are, are based on a movie. I saw like they're like north shore or sure it was like a. A is it a cop show? No, it was like a it was like a, a, a blonde surfer kit from California moves to Hawaii and locals, give them a hard time. They don't want him to serve. He tries to make it with when the local girls and the winds are pissed about that, too. You know. So that, that's my whole impression of a wine is based on a movie. I saw thirty years ago. So it's not fair. It's not fair at all. But this is in, you know sorry, which working, they're going to they're going to have to. Yeah. They're gonna have to beat that impression up over these these over three decades ago. You gotta go you gotta go see him now fuck that I can be I can be in fucking I can be on a beach in Belise. I can leave here at seven o'clock in the morning and I can be on the beach and believes it two pm. Well, you can't do that to why. No, you can't move PM the next day. Now. See, that's that's corny. I'm not at all. You could leave a little bit early. I don't know. Do they do they probably don't do direct flights to Hawaii from here that's priority from Kansas City. But even that's not even the issue. I mean, it's I'm not doing a direct flight for to Belize. I'm going in Houston. Well, you know and I'm not shitting on the trip. I've just. No not. It has nothing to do with your trip is that is that the, the Caribbean is better than any better than anything. And so, unfortunately, is not his but yeah, so it's ever. That's terrible. It's so true. That's the way to. I'm telling you. That's not Lou. Listen. I did wanna shame you about. It's, it's beginning to get warm. Go ahead. You know, are you going to be doing some gardening this year? I am. Yes. Lena this year. I'm gonna come back. Yes. Tina gardening this year. Okay. Do you have do you have a like a yard plot or anything like that? No, no. I just I do the self the self container. Yeah. Yeah, but I like your square yard plot. I think that things that thing is live. I think he did a good job with that. Thank you. Thank you. Are you gonna be what are you going to be doing with your kitchen scraps? I hear trying to get you're trying to bring up worms how you're trying to get me in that one conversation. Now, like, like we were talking about earlier. I brought the worm composting concept. He did you did. And so is centrally if I didn't pay it forward. I at least transferred, my responsibility, might my carbon footprint borrowed it forward. So I'm taking up your carbon footprint. Yeah. Yeah. But I still don't have a car. Because you I we've, I think so. Fix carbon carbon footprint. Yeah. You still have a carbon footprint. So I got I have to get somebody else to work. Yeah. But the deal about if I get I get you back on it do genie. Get your little your little setup back on. I must say so I did have a worm farm that I put my that my biodegradable waste my food. And you could also put paper in there, too. And the worms did a great job with it. They powered right through the stuff and the fertilizer legitimately works like the, the, the, the worm, dirt, the you can take from your warm farm, and put it in the ground. There's a big difference, because I garden before I before I did the worm farm, I gardened and then garden with the worm farm, and then I gardens post worm farm. Okay. And I, there's a big difference in terms of yield health of your plants and everything it, it works legitimately. However, it's just there's an infrastructure that you need to set up where you have the worm farm. And you've got you, you bring your scraps there and it's not a terrible smell the worms known escape that often, but there's it's a little bit of a hassle. The worms kind of escape. There's kind of smell. This is a minor complain. I'm just saying just this, you know, the only have smell issues is like, if I just added some a bunch of stuff to the weren't farm, and like my special friend and much like thin walk into the garage. You know, so it's, you know, otherwise there's, I don't have a smell, but minds, not inside though you hedger's inside. Yeah. And I actually had a really closed circuit that it was all, you know, primarily the only creatures that were rocking in that place where the were the worms. And so if you have that thing outside or you her bring an outside compost, into the thing then you introduce flies and other worms and other stuff, which, you know, can upset the. Balance a little bit. And so I had a pretty good closed ecosystem. Which minimized I think some of that some of the surprises your had a think because I added some outside like my initial warm farm, had like a started because I had a compost pile under my deck. And I put some of that stuff into the original worm farm in there than I did have some like with some weird fly larva and there. Yeah. Kind of Google som solutions on, I got it under control think. But what was the solution for fly larva? The solution was that the fly larva don't eat the Browns, which is like the paper and stuff are I'm using coconut, basically the coconuts strings. Come outside. Oh, those are great. Yeah. So basically, I just put a layer of that. And then the trash or the whatever discarded visual, and then I put another layer on top. So they don't they don't eat that stuff. Only the worms or. Yeah. Only the worms can eat the bra. Okay. And so, basically smothered, a smother them out. Yeah. So I see a few of them in there every now and then but, you know, they're, they're under control. There's more worms. So it makes sense to do. And I also had the had the premium setup where added I had that the, the to Qatar kata stack on that plastic to Sam, my Wurmser just dissolving. Let's more plastic into our food supply, and yeah, my food supply. Yeah. Yeah. So plastics, micro-plastics. Can we talk about Dion Sanders non Dion wanting anyone else to have any fun was that re this is yours? He just saying that he's not having fun anymore. Oh, I don't know any time. Somebody gets on that holy roller trip. It's usually the fun has to end for everybody. Not just not just that person lets the whole, that's the whole religious thing where nobody can have any fun. And I'm going to legislate. Or you know, you can't have fun. I can't have fun. Nobody's having fun. I think I think Sanders has got a book to. He's put out a book or something. I don't know. He's on some. He's banging the drum for some reason, but he came out and said that the lowest point of his life was the peak of his success. And so neon Dion were you around were you around? Well, what are we talking about nineties? Yeah. Yes around for that a millennial. Okay. It's all right. I'm not a millennial. I was born in nineteen eighty one eighty. One. I'm thirty seven years old. I'm still, you know, not a millennial the darkest point of his life was when he was living the highlights and regular you Nori me, this is great noting that he thinks the darkest point of his life was when he was living the highlife in regularly engaging in threesomes. I don't know how that's possible. I mean that's all I I do understand how that spot is possible. I mean regularly engaging. That's pretty good. I mean that's a lot of people management. I mean, you gotta have good people management skills. Yeah. You got it. Yeah, got to get a lot of. Well, we're, we're doing. You're like people managing if you're managing people in that situation, you want to ensure that everybody's having fun. Right. If you're neon Deion, are you ensuring everybody's having fun or you? I mean I'm being super Jedi with his threesome etiquette right now. But right. You know the the yet but we don't know if he was giving love or not. Yeah. We don't know what his style in that situation. Right. Yeah. But yeah. You could you could see him being. Well a selfish creature at yeah, it's doing it every night. I mean that's kinda like right? Probably overkill for the people managing thing, you know, rock bottom for me was having hundreds of suits and not covering the pain. Now, those suits at that time were painful suit says, we're they MC hammer just sort of Jesus varies UTI varies. Uti Zoot suits. Yes. Yeah. Those were I have to admit those cool. I mean, yeah, they, they, they were very Zuhdi than suits, the but not even a but they were Zuhdi. But then they were the color scheme. I think we're was all wrong. Like a lot of -til type shit. Yeah. I'm not into the super like big suits. You know, I'm not sure why that was the thing. But it's almost like these. Like how the the kids are were in the likable eyesore the super big pants like pants and outfits, you know. Yeah. Like too big for you, which is. Odd. It is odd. Yeah, I don't know why people went through that rock bottom for me was having hundreds of pairs of shoes, but couldn't take step in the right direction. Rock bottom for me was having ten cars and wasn't going nowhere rock. Bottom for me was having a fourteen thousand square foot house, but never feeling at home. Oh, gosh. Well, she'll terrible. He you know, he could he didn't have to have fourteen thousand square feet. But this these are things you learn when you're outside of that situation. Right. Like remember like his buddy, Dion Sanders, buddy, Andre Reisen, you're on the wherever it went to burn his house in his plucking house. Yeah. She she was she was a real. I think she threw a bunch of his shoes, like in the in the tub. Let the whole fucking thing on fire. That's hot, you know. I mean, you know, crazy chicks a woman, there's a reputation about crazy chicks. You know. Yeah. For a reason. Right. So Andre Reisen I you know, I'm sure he paid for that one, right? There was a significant Copan on his insurance. Right. I'm sure that Tebas or was it left? I, I don't know to us Tebas now as Tebas still with us on. No. She died in a no left. I died and I can't even remember I think Tebas is still with us. I think left I was the one that was dating. Andrea Risa it may be might be right. And for whatever reason at the time, it seemed like a good idea. She wore a condom over her dot condom. Yeah. Another nineties thing that, that is a little bit curious. That was in the days of like who were making condoms, cool, because HIV is a big thing because I was still pretty close to a one way ticket, if you got it. Yeah. Yeah. And then this is the final point rock bottom for me was lying between two and three women at a time. But you get up on satisfied lane right beside you the person who said they love you, but she didn't even know you wasn't paying that was rock. Bottom for me. Well, I mean, you know, just maybe the maybe the threesomes not the place to work out your pain. You know, not. I mean well. It's probably not the situation where you're gonna get a lot of deep introspection done. You know, so. But, you know, we do see this tale, a lot where people are super successful. They kind of feel lonely, you know, so I don't know. That's about. I the only time ever can close to threesome was have I told you the story this is this is. I don't think so. This was sad. So this, this girl comes into town from out of town. And I guess this was like the runway couldn't have been wider for me. It could. It's like I I'm like the most, I'm, I'm, I'm the luckiest yet, I'm in the most curse person on earth. Okay. And so the runway could have been wider. This chick was coming into town with a friend. Okay. And they had a hotel room. Okay. And like she's like my friend is up for threesome. Oh, and with you, you know what? Are you sure there's some kind of terrible mistake we must be on the? Yeah. There must be some it, so, so it's like so all I have to do is just basically just just show up and just and just keep the wheel turning just a little bit now. That's where. That's where they're much right then? I'll add to do is keep the wheel turning for just like thirty forty minutes. Right. So they're like, let's go out. You know, and of course, this is when I lived in LA, and we could have gone anywhere. I it's LA I mean, and we could have gone anywhere that could even amped up the sexiness of the whole thing. You know, I'm sure that dark. A with ambiance place with ambience ambience super sexy, as it could have been dungeon somewhere. It could have been as a high end thing. A gun in a million different directions direction. Did you go? I went in the wrong direction. And so I like take these girls. We I go to. I did it right. At the beginning. We went to this place that had like superpower, Margaritas. Okay. I'm like, tequila, tequila, Greg, this thing happened. And so I was on target there. Yeah. Now, of course, are you saying that because you we might have peaked too early or maybe? Yeah. That's what I was thinking has got to drunk in the I finally would known you that I found. And so we went and had one, one Margarita oak, and then and then we're it was right down the street from I was a I was doing much advertisements for clubs for nightclubs as like the nightclub rep for the newspaper out there. So all these nightclubs would run advertisements with me. And one of Mike advertisers, had a club up the street, and it was kind of a bohemian club. But I love the guy who ran the places such a cool guy. And they had like an open, Mike comedy night. And I, there's you know, there's cracks already in the side here. But I'm like, let's just go over there. We'll have one more drinking than we'll go to the hotel. Now what we should have done is we should have went to the fuck. We should have got the Margaritas and then went to the hotel bar. Oh, yeah. I've, I mean, this is all go right? Upstairs. Oh my God. Yeah. This is all in retrospect. But now we go to the psalm we go to this open mic comedy night. Terrible idea just on its on his face. Is a bad idea. It seems relatively harmless though it seemed like jokes about let's see. So we get in the place and it's like a wondering, minimum, so Alice have are drink. And let's you know, Gav couple yuks. This is not sexy, though. So this is so terrible, even as explain this is not good. So we, we sit down and, and the guy the first guy comes up and make some jokes, a high every time a nice time, you know, it's like we might even stay for second drink, we're not done with our first one yet. Okay. Then the second guy comes up and starts making jokes about, oh, Jane coal like that was like topping, you know, at the time and I'm like, it's a little blue. You know, it's not really my taste something, my style, and I look over and the girl, not the girl that that organizes whole thing. But the other girl was crying. Oh my gosh, really, she's crying. She's crying at jokes yard. No trying. Lau god. I be on easy street. Yeah. No. She's crying. Because she was in a tear terribly abusive relationship. And whatever this guy thought he was making jokes about OJ and a col-. Nicole Goldman or Goodman, or something, I'm not sure Ernie run on goal. That was the guy who killed Nicole Brown Simpson's this. So anyway, he was this guy was obviously trying new material he needed to relate to polish dial. So it says some for it was issue starts crying, and she's like I need to go home and not like we need to go home as a party. I need to go on a safe space. Yeah. It's at the party was that's man, never comedy club. Yeah. Well, you know, you can't predict that well jokes are gonna make this chick cry as servic that, but you even as you say you can't predict that you're saying he's but a fatal air. You're just comedy comedy clubs are I don't know could have been good. Like what if it was like a good comedy club in the great comedians? You never know like Pani dropping move. I mean, not really it's like, well, how late what I've never been. I've never felt more sexy than when he took me to the comedy. I mean that's, that's not. That's. It was early. Okay, you're in LA to maybe think it's going to be a late night. I think once again, it's LA I there was like a thousand different choices. I had all of them were were more facility. Facilitative of getting of getting buck naked more conversation instead of that kind of thing she terrible, the comedian dictating the pace a your night. But however, you know, now I'm not I don't have to have. I don't have Dion Sanders. Problems is I wasn't in between two women unsatisfied. Well that wouldn't have been your third three some of the week. I don't think right here. Right about that. Yeah. That was definitely going to be the one that was forever. You know, you know, wouldn't have been might not have been there. You know. Did you foresee any of the after play they're like, what's, what's what do you do after threesome? Do you just her just like k I mean, is it is the best three did you know, this other chick pretty well, yeah. Yeah. We we'd we'd been messed around forever. We'd be in this casino, the other girl. No, no. Yes. Is that is that the best way to do it? It couldn't have been any like I said the runway right there fucked up. I good new up any worse. So it's, it's, it's been in terms of regrets top five, that's a top five as how five that our problem. You know, it's like somebody comes and brings you a gift, you know. And you just smell a gift horse in the mouth. I did. I did. I took it worse to an open mic comedy clubs. Not at least have some quality control on your comedy. But that's not what do that unless you go to specific comedian. But then that's not threesome either. Now, our your sit down, and like two hours, you got to pay attention to this guy. There's no, sexy romance. Novel that has a chapter. They'll starts out in a comedy and went to like a sex store or something that would have been that would have been cute. And funny joke joke, you know, wanting to do that. I had a bunch of clients strip quotes. Yeah. And I had them over there. So, yeah, that was no till nine know for next time. Yes. In my my big gaping hole of sadness is not pulling off his threesome. So it's so I guess Dion and I are different in that way, the old neon Deion primetime with the Zuhdi suits on the other thing that came out this week was a Cardi, B O in trouble for, for robbing robbing people robbing people let-let's aiming to allegedly. Yes. Right. Well, she she alleged herself that she used to do that. Hey, you know, nobody gives a shit if like fucking Rick. Ross says it fucking puts molly's in chicks drinks and fucking does thing. That's not true. He lost his Dida sponsor Shaw. You got fucked now on. You didn't get funky. He played well it was. I bet he's still made money on that transaction. You know. Yeah. So on the, you know, for talking about low averages, like whatever song that or what ever album that song was on prior deputy will the oh, e n. Oh, yeah. That was a feature. He was on somebody else's signed, thanks. So maybe not. But I don't know this is kinda we talked a little bit about Liam Niessen, you know, letting us into his inner sanctum there where he's letting us into his innermost thoughts. Well, so let's talk about that. So Liam Niessen goes in this, this happened like three months ago. I think where he was like doing some movie promo thing. Right. And he's having some, you know, garbage interview and for whatever reason he talks about how twenty years ago, maybe even thirty years ago, all along time cause yeah, no, it was when he was, like, was younger to relate isn't in another one of those movies where he like, fucking Scott. Or save somebody somebody's trying to. That's where it's always. Yeah, somebody a family mortgage kidnapped and, but they can have the wrong fan, and he's putting older motherfucker. Yeah. I mean, but he's definitely still reaping millions. Yes. And so he he because I'm sure he's bored, stiff either wants to make something up or he wants to he wants to reveal something about himself. You know in these interviews to try and keep the tragedy move the needle or, or keep himself saying, you know, because I'm sure it's just it's, it's gotta be numbing process to have the same interview sixty fucking times now. And so he tells the story about how a, a friend, a girlfriend of his was raped by a black guy in London. Okay. And so he then dafter that he said he would he walked the streets of London at night, or some sort of or some UK down? I have no idea looking for a black person. Beat their ass and kill them as payback for what happened to his, his friend. Yeah. Imagine getting like confronted by Liam Niessen fashion. Like I'm out walking in London. Liam Neeson just the to beat me up. I leave Neeson's ass. Lamb Nissen to try to beat me up. I don't know what the fuck avance weird weird night. Y'all. Stay save. Lameness. So well, listen. I didn't I thought this was like a recent thing that he, you know, he was he was a story that ugly, you know, he he it, what had happened decades ago. Okay. Is that change the way you little bit because I of thought it was just like a like a really visceral thing for my he'd just he was going through this right now. Like somebody right? My friend and now have to do fucking interviews. You know. So what am I thinking about I'm thinking about the, you know, so I, I don't know. Like you said it being in that promotion processes, probably like dislike numbing Lee silly, you know, you get asked similar shit all the time you get asked the same thing in different fashions. You know all the time. So I can understand how how it'd be hard to can keep it fresh or like you, you don't wanna you wanna try to say something. Different. And like tell the story that draws the line somewhere. You know and connects to thing I don't know. So it's like you can't. This is a real feeling. I, I mean, I understand him feeling that way you know, but I, I didn't it's kind of like it makes it a little bit more inconvenient. You know that he's just a decade old thing. He's bringing it out. You know, it seems like kind of asked when we were talking about this earlier, like the movie coming up or something. Like is he just trying to keep his name bouncing in the news or something, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know that doesn't that has changed. I think about it a little bit. You know it's just. It's it just illustrates it, what does illustrate. You know what does it say about Liam Niessen? I mean like you say you could you can have that gut reaction to say, okay, I gotta go put it on a black guy to get some payback. You know, but then at that there's got it with most people. There's got to be a point where he say, wait a minute. You know, that's not that's not, that's not a fix. That's not there's no Justice there yet just because some black guy catches a fucking pipe upset the head. No, that's not that's not the, the right does not the right strategy. It's absurd to say, but Liam Neeson's like talking about how he would game plan the thing. And then we'd go out on the streets with a truncheon you know. I zoom as it trenchant pipe. Pipe somebody to death. Pause. Well, yes, I, I initially empathize with them because I thought it was like a thing he was going through publicly. Kind of makes it a little different, you know. But now he's just and I guess I don't know what he's doing is freestyle. And I can't come up with with hot hot button ship. And then he he apologized for like twice. I think. Yeah. And of course, the shitty apology tour, you know. And it's like you know qualified apologies or policies that apologize. But then say but I you know, I still do it again. If I had that kinda shit. He's doing that Conor McGregor shit by just keeping his name in the news, by any means Seri Conor McGregor. What did he say? He retired. And then he talked should about could be like Boba wait a minute. That's retired. So this same kind of thing. Yeah. With Connor, you know, it's like a here's a guy that really just had an incredible masterful, three years of fights and of promo cutting. You know, and really just in, in a way that, you know, played himself into. In one hundred hundred million two hundred million dollars, and so that, that's really unique. Convergence of situation and talent, you know and am. But now you know that that. It seems like the wheels are coming off that the promo machine. Now, he's kinda run out of gas, at least on what to do next in terms of the fight promo-, however, this, this proper twelve promo thing, it is another could be another major moneymaker for him. And he seems to really played that very well to proper tolls everywhere in Hawaii, who was like all over the place Connor. So, you know, I see I saw it more there than I do here. Have you tried it? I have not no not a huge whiskey guy. But now I mean, I'm sure it's, it's his substitute Jameson which, you know, I'm not seeking out Jameson on in my free time. You know, but that doesn't you know, but, but I guess these liquor deals if you can get if he can get a liquor brand, and get a good share of it, in and pump the promo tank on it that you can make ton of money. And I guess that's what's happened. So, you know, I I'm not discounting skies promo skills overall, but I his fight promo thing seems. Little compared to where it was see, like he's kinda lost a little, but a juice. Yeah. It's kinda it's, it's probably gotta be, you know, hard to come back and do the, the UFC money thing when I don't know the I don't want to speculate on the max that they could pay him. But it's not not going to be what he made for his last outing, you know. And that's going to be this could be hard, you know. So I guess it was last outing was could be I don't know what do you get paid there. Well, I you know, you still have that you still have the DS fight on deck, which will be interesting, very, and everybody be up for that. And that would get some pay per view numbers. Yeah. And it'd be a fun fight to watch. I watch it I'd be into it. Yeah. And I, but I just don't know if he's who knows if he's willing to to go in not reset, but fight a tear under champion two championships here. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. You never know he's probably gonna see what he can drum up. You know, I think that's what these these last few couple of weeks event about, you know, seems there's any interest out there dust in the waters. Yeah. The, the quick Cardi B thing is a recently surfaced into strand video shows Cardi B, saying, she used to drug and Rodman, now the internet is divided over whether or not to cancel her. Oh, how the what, what that's just the, the phrase against L people? Forget about this in a couple of weeks. The video, which Cardi said was made three years ago made his way into Twitter last weekend, and features Cardi reminiscing, about the time when she worked as a stripper the time when she said, I drug and words up and I drop them. Yeah. Well, there's two things here we talking about about Cardi, getting heat heated. Right. Or surviving Cardi B is arriving Kirby. She did not. Hurt. Anybody physically she didn't assault anybody. There is no. Like, you know, she did rob some people, you know, but I'm wondering what's going on with, with a dude that will mean a stripper. I mean I guess she said she did drug him. Maybe that's the thing. I see that she had ravinus at my first question was, like, why, why are you like going getting a paying for sex, and then, like fallen asleep with a stranger, you know? But, you know drove involuntary sleep. Yeah. Liquor probably well, but then there's that other piece that like this is a common. Common trope around rappers is that they always talk about the this past right where they were a drug dealer. They shot a bunch of mother fuckers, or they got shut bunch of times, you know. And so that's like a common rapper trope where like e let's go back to like, like the original gangsta rapper go back to ice tea. Okay. Nice t would pin pose do Campos and said we propose and he would yield drugs, so and he'd throw bullets down range. Yeah. Okay. Cop-killer. But then, but then here he is now he's like, America's, you know, his grandfather is on TV. Yeah. In and it's like you know, are we going? We're going to go back and dig up ice. Teas old victims, you know, and say what's up? I mean I it's like man, that's kind of like a common rapper thing where whether it's real or not you create a background story. And for some guys this real. But some guys is not, you know, it's the same thing where, you know, it's that same sort of flex, where they the guys are have a picture of them with a briefcase full of hundred bills, you know, or the driving a fucking a guy, this fucking, least, you know, it's just part of the it's part of the construction, you know, so. Cardi B is constructing that back story in. So I, I actually I don't I don't really believe she drugged and robbed people. It happens shit happens. You know, he was a shoes stripper for. Well, yeah, I don't know. But that doesn't you know, I think that's also a piece where I think a lot of people like to like to drag down sex workers. You know, in whether you can you can flake stripping with escorts with any conflict escorts with robbing somebody, you know, it's like, that's those are progressive. Apps, and those are different things all different things. So I think it's I think it's just people being cheap and like we've always talked about the this locust mentality the internet, right thereafter that they went. Yeah. They want cancel or they wanna talk to her boss. They want her fired from her job, you want to removed from her her her position at the university. She could she can't rapidy war. They want or cancelled on her on her afternoon. Shift at McDonalds. You know. I mean it's like all these people just they wanna fuck and they wanna set mad about something. Yeah. No shit won't be outraged about some shit. Whatever it is today. So I, I gotta take b story with a little bit of, you know, I'm not, I'm not I'm not outraged about it at all. I don't know. There's, there's bigger shit to worry about the Cardi B drugging, somebody typing that years ago. Yeah. If I got robbed by Cardi, B, I be of. I mean now nowadays, you could go on YouTube mega half a career off that maybe I can get five hundred thousand views off. I was one of Cardi B's victim. Yeah. And you could tell all about what she fucks like I mean you could come in. That's another thing. Yeah. I'd have that badge of honor to or so that'd be a lot better than a sad. I almost had three way story. Well, it'd be equal if you had both of those two good stories. Well, but see, I, I don't think I almost had a three way story. I don't think that would get maybe forty seven clicks on YouTube. Yeah. But, but I had already be half inch around my house. Right. So now you got you gotta you gotta L and then you got kind of a draw. I could. 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The Assassination of Det. Thomas Williams

True Crime Fan Club Podcast

23:48 min | 1 year ago

The Assassination of Det. Thomas Williams

"Before we begin the episode I am so excited to announce my partnership with get vocal. It's a super cool streaming APP for podcasters. It's basically a compliment to this. Podcast every Thursday. Starting April ninth at seven PM Central Album hosting my own true crime segment going over some of the topics that are of interest to me and of interest to you so download the APP at get vocal. And I'll see you there. Explicit content is found in this episode so listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to the true crime. Fan Club odd cast. I'm your host Laney on Halloween. Nineteen eighty five an hour after leaving the courtroom a loss Angeles Police Department detective was assassinated in front of his small son. His last act of Love was to protect his child. A police detective has many enemies. So would they find his killer? Okay on the shell in October. Nineteen eighty-four George Carpenter. Who was managing a united? Artists Theater was with another man taking the day's deposits to the bank. When they were robbed at gunpoint by two men George was able to provide the lead investigator. Detective Thomas Williams with the license plate of the vehicle. The vehicle was quickly linked to a suspect. Daniel S Jenkins. Daniel protested his innocence to detective Williams but admitted his guilt to one of his acquaintances. George was able to identify Daniel in a lineup and again at the preliminary hearing. Daniel Jenkins was an entrepreneur who owned his own limousine company called Sir. Dan's limousine service. He had been arrested. Previously in nineteen seventy nine for assault with a deadly weapon for shooting a man whose son had filed a police report against him. The facts of that case were horace. Munroe junior claimed Daniel Jenkins approached him as he was getting into his car on November. Twenty second nineteen seventy eight. Daniel was accompanied by a man named Ali leader identified as Ali Bryant and both were armed. Daniel told Horace Junior to get out of the vehicle. And when he did Daniel L. E. beat him requiring thirty stitches in his forehead. It was revealed under cross examination that Horace Junior wasn't the act of removing the wheels from Daniels. Corvette the next day Horse Monroe senior discovered Daniel across the street from the older man's home or senior stopped at his truck to get a shovel with which to arm himself. Daniel opened fire on horace senior. Heading him in the shoulder or a senior and junior both provided inconsistent testimony as they had said previously there were words exchanged prior to the assault but under testimony. They said no contact had been made prior to the assault on July. Fourth Nineteen eighty-five. George was eating in a restaurant when he was shot in the face. Chest and legs. George Carpenter survived the attack although he had to have numerous surgeries once he was well enough. George left the Los Angeles area for fear of further attempts on his life. The attempted murder was unsolved until the events of October. Thirty First Nineteen eighty-five shed light onto the shooting of George Carpenter in October. Nineteen eighty-five Daniel. Jenkins was scheduled to go on trial for the robbery of George Carpenter. Our Daniel Jenkins had other plans believing that without any witnesses says there could be no trial telling Jeffrey Bryant. No witness no case Daniel. I spoke to Jeffrey. Bryant recruiting him to kill a detective Williams before his trial began. However Jeffrey was led to believe that detective Williams was a security guard so in Jeffrey realized he was actually a law enforcement officer. He backed out two to three weeks before. Halloween Daniels spoke with David Bentley about needing killed and asked for help finding a killer. David Valentine Hicks. Who spoke with David and Daniel about the terms of the contract to finalize the deal? Daniel toll tyrone to come to his house. Daniel went with David Bentley to a so-called lookout point and described it Toyota pick-up with a camper. Shell saying the man driving was the intended target. Daniel explained when David's all the truck. He was opposed to set off pagers so the others could know. The detective was heading their way. David Way to twenty minutes did not see the vehicle and so- activated the others pagers to notify them. No one replied so. He left the area. Meanwhile Tyrone Hicks was at a school and saw the vehicle but it left before tyrone could shoot the driver. Daniel was angry and castigated all involved for allowing the witness to live because the witness detective Williams could testify against him. It was promised that the detective would be taking care of before he could testify later. David Bentley informed tyrone. He would likely only get paid two or three hundred dollars at which point tyrone pulled out of the plan Voltaire Williams considered by many to be Daniels. Lieutenant recruited Alad Ron Hunter to commit the murder. Voltaire told Al Drawn it was specifically for preventing witness testimony on October. Twenty fourth nineteen ninety-five before the trial began voltaire and electron visited Daniels. Home were voltaire obtained again. He gave to electron aladrofin Voltaire. Then got into separate vehicles and drove. A few blocks passed a school. Were Voltaire told Al Drawn to wait for an orange and white Toyota truck with a camper. Then shoot the victim as he drove by. Voltaire said he had to get information for Daniel asks to win. This would happen. When detective Williams did drive by Allah drawn could not pull the trigger and when meeting Voltaire later told him he noticed. The intended victim appeared to be a police officer and not a security guard on October. Twenty fifth nineteen eighty five to suspicious individuals leader identified. As Ruben Anthony Moss and to Wayne Moody were seen in the area of the First Baptist Church School in Canoga Park. A third man. His face obscured was in the back seat of the vehicle on October. Thirty First Nineteen eighty-five detective. Williams testified at court about the robbery of George Carpenter. After then deputy district attorney Maureen Duffy Lewis had questioned Daniel Detective Williams leaned over to her and said Hey mo he would kill us if he could. Maureen blew it off by saying. Don't be ridiculous but detective Williams just said No. I know a killer when I see one deputy. Da Duffy Lewis then question. Detective Williams as a rebuttal witness to Jenkins testimony. After Court recessed for the day she in detective Williams went upstairs to call their respective spouses and make arrangements to pick up their children and participate in Halloween festivities. They drove their vehicles down the highway and detective. Williams honked in waves as they went their separate ways. Detective William Scientists son out at five forty pm that afternoon and as his six-year-old son Ryan was about to get into the truck. Detective William Saul Vehicle Approach with a man wearing a ski mask. Detective Williams had just enough time to tell Ryan to duck before gunfire rang through the Halloween evening. Detective Williams attempted to draw his service weapon but he died before he could. When the gunfire ended Ryan went around to his father's side of the truck and saw him slumped against the truck when others felt it was safe to on detective Williams. They saw him dead against his truck with his son. Brian we being nearby. It had been approximately an hour since detective Williams had been in court and now he was dead. I'm going to pause the case right here. So you can hear a word from our sponsors. 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Send voice messages or even have a video or phone session. Better help flexible to your needs. Better help wants you to start living a happier life today. So join me. And the over five hundred thousand people. Taking charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional visit better help dot com slash T. CFC for ten percent. Off Your first month. That's better help. Dot Com for ten percent off your first month. Witnesses recalled a light colored car driving up and down the street around five thirty. Pm before they heard gunshots after the gunshots were fired. This vehicle was seen racing away from the scene at about sixty to sixty five miles per hour. One witness stopped the vehicle to tell the driver his headlights on and was not sure if it was a Caucasian black or Latino man driving on November first composite. Sketch of the suspected gunman was released by then Los Angeles Police Department. Chief Daryl Gates chief gates called the murder and assassination and said investigators were focusing on detective Williams recent cases to see if there was a link the first case they looked at was Daniel Jenkins sincere. Had been an attempted murder another witness in that case with the July fourth shooting of George Carpenter. Investigators quickly dismissed this idea since eyewitnesses. The shooter was Caucasian. Or Latino and Daniel was black. Chief Gates also said additional officers would be assigned to the San Fernando. Courtroom weren't Daniels. Trial was ongoing jurors. Note to the judge that morning because they had heard of detective Williams death but judge. Sativa told them not to consider anything you may have heard read or seen in the news media including the television and focus only on the testimony. They had heard the jury returned with a verdict of guilty later in the day while in custody from this charge. Daniel was charged with the murder of detective. Thomas Williams in early November nineteen eighty five. Three others were arrested on Saturday November third. But the news was withheld until Tuesday. November six so the gun could be recovered. The weapon was described as a converted. Mac Ten or an Uzi but it was a fully automatic weapon. The three arrested on Saturday where Wayne Moody Voltaire Williams. And Ruben Antonio Moss all three were from Los Angeles and all three were black which did not match the description. Witnesses at provided however chief gates stated in a press conference investigators believe the gunman had worn link colored makeup or paint to throw off witnesses. A fifteen thousand dollar award had been posted by the Police Protective League the day before. The arrests were announced but is not certain. If anyone was able to claim a reward doing moody had prior arrests including conviction for assault with a deadly weapon and armed robbery and misdemeanor charges stemming from trying to purchase clothing with ISELIN CREDIT CARD. The card was issued to carry. Gordy the son of motown records President Berry. Gordy Ruben Antonio Moss. Who went by the name? Tony had no criminal history aside from traffic violations. Set HIS FATHER Roy. Moss and Accountant. Who lived with his son close to exposition boulevard? Roy said his son was only arrested. Because he had testified as a material witness for Daniel Jenkins in the robbery trial. Tony had played football for Dorsey. High school his father worn Tony about associating with Daniel but Daniel was the younger. Moss's boss at the Limo Service in early March nineteen eighty-six two other suspects were arrested in the slaying. David Bentley and REC- Cooper. They both pleaded their innocence at their arraignment and were held on a five hundred thousand dollar. Bond the joint trial of Daniel Jenkins and Dwayne Moody began in early. January nineteen eighty-eight by this time. Nine people had been identified as part of the assassination plot before of these had been granted immunity in exchange for their testimony against Daniel and dwayne. Three of these four were Jeffrey Bryant. Who had been asked outright by Jenkins to kill detective Williams L. A. Drawn Hunter? Who pulled out of the job? When he found out he would only be paid less than three hundred dollars and tyrone Hicks. Who could not go through with at once? He saw Brian Williams walking from school with his dad. I could not find. The name of the fourth person offered immunity L. Hugh Broomfield who had been friends with Daniel Jenkins years before testified for the prosecution L. A. Hugh a security guard was in the courthouse during Daniels robbery. Trial of Nineteen eighty-five and happened into Daniel's courtroom. The two had lunch together that day after making a short trip to Daniel's house Daniel told his friend he would not be set up by a police officer and he would seek revenge. Well Daniel Strauss he showed. Lsu A gun that appeared to be an Uzi and told him it would fire ten to twenty rounds per second. He said he had another one like it at a friend's house and he had more than one person to carry out a contract. L. Hugh also overheard two phone conversations between Daniel and another party. Were Daniel said everybody had to be together at sixteen hundred hours or it would not work. Daniel also said Allah Hugh he would not sit in jail while the man who set up would be at a picnic enjoying his life and he would quote eliminate him. David Bentley testified. He went to Daniel's home around eight o'clock pm on Halloween. Nineteen eighty-five while David worked onto. Wayne Moody's car. Daniel excitedly said he had taken care of that ass. Daniel tell Dwayne he was surprised. At how many rounds had been fired with such a light touch he then finished by saying I got that asked myself. I had to do it. I mean I had to do it myself. Guys won't take care of business. I had to take care of this myself. Doing delivered a Green Duffel bag to Ali. Woodson's house at night saying skates were in the bag and he needed to get rid of them all. He showed him where to put the bag in the closet and Moody left a few days later Dwayne girlfriend called Ali and said to take everything out except for the easy. She added that the police were on their way. Ali removed everything and look at the modified Mac. Ten assault weapon and clip. When the police arrived to collect the bad he handed it over. Seventeen rounds were fired from that weapon. Eight of which hit detective Williams other rounds hit his truck and even the interior of the school during the sentencing portion of his trial Daniel Jenkins decided to fire his two attorneys and represent himself. Some say this was done out of ego others said it was to try and lay the groundwork for appeals based on ineffective Counsel One of his Attorneys Herald price believed. It was done because Daniel wanted to testify on his own behalf but herald and the other attorney believed. It was a bad idea. Daniel had sat quietly at the defense table throughout the trial showing little emotion and dress nicely however once he got up to represent himself the jurors were able to hear from the defendant. One Juror Ricky Gilmore said when Daniel started cross examining the witnesses they saw him as a bright articulate shrewd man who could carry out an intricate murder plot. Daniel was praised by attorneys and others in the courtroom because he thought to call material witnesses to the stand to testify as to his character. Dina was born in Kansas but had moved to Los Angeles with his mother separating from his siblings he never knew who is father was and his mother suffered from mental health issues. He was placed in foster care for several years because of her infirmity and when he left it was in the care of his grandmother. His grandmother also took care of his mother when his grandmother passed away a month. Before the assassination of Detective Williams. Daniel was devastated. People testified he was a loving father and Godfather. The testimony angered normal. Williams detective Williams widow particularly when she was told she could not deliver a victim impact statement until after Daniel sentencing. This is normally allowed under the nineteen eighty two California Victims Bill of Rights Act but a nineteen eighty-seven Supreme Court ruling and booth versus Maryland superseded. The SL all saying that statements from survivors could not be considered before sentencing. However when Tony Moss was sentenced on December Fifteenth Nineteen eighty-nine. Since he was not up for the death penalty she was allowed to give a statement. She said to him. Tony Moss. You deserve you've got coming to you. You are a calculating cold blooded murderer and you deserve every bit of pain and anguish coming to you all the days of your life. The sentencing had been delayed after two. Jurors were dismissed because they saw reports that Daniel had threatened to kill the prosecutor and several witnesses. Daniel Jenkins was given the death penalty. Antonio Moss was granted. Life in prison without parole. Daniel Jenkins is sixty four years of age while in prison. Daniel joined other death row inmates in a federal lawsuit to protest that not allowing reproductive rights for those on death row is cruel and unusual punishment. These inmates stated it was possible their names would die out if not allowed to procreate Tony Moss is at Solano and is fifty eight years of age. David L. Brinkley was given life without parole in his at Mule Creek State. Prison David is fifty. Five years of age Voltaire Williams was given twenty five years to life but was released on parole in two thousand seventeen. Rec- Cooper was acquitted of all charges. Dwayne moody went to trial which resulted in a hung. Jury of ten to to the judge dismissed the charge since there was overwhelming evidence that he was innocent. Dwayne was in the county jail for three and a half years and sell next to Richard Ramirez the night stalker who continually tried to convert him to Satanism. Moody studied law while in jail and after his release conferred with other defendants including Rick James and Oj. Simpson dwayne third cousin. Normal Williams Thomas Williams's widow became a member of the LAPD Family Support Program since they assisted her through Thomas's death. Norma said Ryan had a hard time dealing with his father's death before he turned ten. Brian had acted out by shoplifting. Lying and destroying his belongings norma sought help and Got Ryan counseling. Which helped Norma in Thomas's oldest child? Susie was seventeen when her dad was cut. Down by assassin's Gun Thomas. Williams had been a thirteen year veteran of the Los Angeles Police Department. Before he became a law enforcement officer he had graduated from military school and was offered a commission which he turned down because being a police officer had been a lifelong dream. There were at least one thousand police officers at his funeral wearing black bands around their badges to show their state of mourning. Thomas was an involved father who had recently taken up coaching the sport of soccer so he could spend more time with his son Ryan. He was dedicated. Detective who left no stone unturned. George Carpenter sued the city of Los Angeles for not providing him with security. Knowing Daniel Jenkins was bent on revenge in Nineteen ninety-four. He was granted a one point. Two million dollar settlement Daniel Jenkins requested a new trial. Two Thousand and four citing evidence that prosecution had never provided to the defense it was denied and he remains on death. Row at San Quentin. Okay Fan club members as I conclude this episode. My one question to you is. How will you sleep tonight? Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode. Please be sure to rate subscribe and positively reviewed the show on apple podcasts. Or your podcast player of choice. It really does help. You can find us on most social media platforms twitter at T- CFC POD FACEBOOK DOT COM slash T. Cfc PODCAST INSTAGRAM. At True Crime Fan Club and of course our website is true. Crime Fan Club Dot Com. If you have an episode request send us an email T. CFC pod and tim dot com producer for the show is Nico at. We talk of dreams. Check him out on twitter at we talk of dreams or WE TALK OF DREAMS DOT com. This episode was researched and written by Susie. Saint James content editing by Brittany Martinez. And I'm your host Laney.

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Vegas Nation takes London

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

12:03 min | 2 years ago

Vegas Nation takes London

"Hey Vegas nation listeners I wanNA take thirty seconds to introduce you to a new podcast from the Review Journal called critical condition accounts from one October. It's a five part series sharing the careful stories of to Las Vegas officers who responded to the scene of the one October shooting on the Las Vegas Strip you can find wherever you are listening to the podcast right now just search. ESPN sports mobile from station casinos in for another edition of the Vegas Nation. PODCAST I'm your host Heidi Fang and right now Ed Green Ian I are sitting in the Marriott Hotel here in London where the raiders will play the far against the colts last week do you think that there's any chance that they can repeat that and how much is it important for them right now to pick up these road winds will bears at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium coming up this Sunday October six ed how you doing doing what time the body clock is on but yeah we were here last year bill gets through and he doesn't sit out the season I think they have warned him they told him in the letter when they suspended him we have told you about these things he's suspended three times and find eleven times for in London's a really cool place and I think for the raiders sake they're hoping turns out better in the whipping Seattle put on them last year but can be difficult creating points but we are still raider nation I think it's going to be a get an army coming into Muslims hey everyone the incidents one suspension in addition to that was for PD's so he's had a lot of issues So you know he was when they signed him to a one year deal they did so knowing he was Lhasa Minnesota poorly the week before coming to London play the bears I think that sandwich and their people didn't expect him to win but they got it done so it was a good win for them completely dry against the bears because I think that's GonNa be really tough you mentioned volunteers perfect let's get into that because right now the league has put out suspension for him for the entire season but that is being really different team this week the bear is probably the best defense arguably in the league the only give up they don't even have twelve points a game no one runs against them so you know we'll talk about the raiders they have injuries they found another helmet-to-helmet she hit not the one Jack Doyle that gotTa Majette from the game another one indie game there now adding to the evidence for the appeal it doesn't I don't I'll be shocked if the if they lessen the appeal especially now for hearing they found other helmet-to-helmet hits in that game well on the flip side of the linebacker position the bears have a name that the raiders team the raiders. You know it's really hard to score against the bears about we'll see I think we're both excited that it's going to be in Tottenham Stadium I American Football Game Tottenham Stadium obviously with the Premier League team here hill that will happen on Tuesday in the coming week but what does it mean for the raiders to be without their team captain and volunteers perfect the linebacker position will look on his perfect was alive they think he's their misunderstood by the rest of the world I don't know if that's always the case I just know this guy has a history of bad hits he did it again and I will be surprised research to bring the right kind of people in here we think that can Dole Championship football team has the most loyal fans in the world I know it hurts that we might not be the Oakland raiders forever through familiar with and Khalil Mack so what do you think he will bring to the table for the raiders on Sunday when you look at the offense of the raiders have currently in place we'll look amazing I've heard people who were there earlier this week. Id that says the Best Stadium they've been in their lives so looking forward to Sunday's game well the raiders were able to pick up one road win so the guy is good as Khalil mack no matter what position plays but if you think of it as a team Heidi let's be honest with Khalil mack the raiders never ranked the only retired in twenty second in getting points against this bears defense gonna be really really hard so we'll see what happens it could pour rain could be pouring rain on Sunday which around here could happen at any minute I don't know if that would help her it's important to get any any road win I thought they played really well in Indianapolis we'll talk about voluntary perfect is too bad that that overshadowed a really good road win the at the draft in Las Vegas Ironically so one of the best elite pass rushers in the league I'm sure he'll be emotional and fired up about this he's very hard to block receiver I mean on paper it doesn't set up well for all those reasons but there are bears are also going to start a quarterback and chase Daniel's been ten years and has five starts so that really the thing about Khalil Mack is is all the great players around him you only hear about Khalil Mack that's an incredible defense by there'd be the tackles the corners safeties the linebackers so again I wrote a column for Tomorrow's paper if you think of the trade for Khalil Mack individually than the bears will always win the trade because I don't think it's possible that the raiders are going to draft liability that this could happen again I know everyone on the raiders say he's misunderstood it's kind of a word we heard with Antonio Brown it seems like the guys in trouble seemed to be misunderstood by their teammates and coaches he's a really good guy to have an a team but people don't really like to play him very much so we'll see how chase Daniel's plays and what they can do against him to maybe create a few turnovers and get some points that way other than having to action seventeen a lot for a team that's then it wide receiver that has had against Chicago bears defense aw Sdn sports is the only sports betting APP you need this season sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars it do something like that they're gonNa have to create on defense some points to get to seventeen to twenty against this team so it's not impossible but they can't line up and double gruden continued to call some misdirection and trick place well I think sometimes if you have to beat a team like the bears you probably try a trick player Mr you have you can't go straight against in defensive efficiency wants in his four years so he was this incredible player they didn't have a lot of incredible players around him like he in now is in Chicago so if you look at it that I don't know really who won the trade only doesn't mean they can move the ball gets to bears the last thing you can do against that defense a show of flack this episode of Vegas Nation will be right back eleven or twelve points a game day or where it might be raining I mean it's I guess it's not insurmountable think they can score seventeen but I think some things have to happen in that realm turns get a turnover chase Daniel Strauss straight into it they're going to have to have some things happen on defense and maybe some tricks or something on offense maybe if it's pouring there's a couple of the bears I don't know if I'm the raiders all right Ed so joe and I'm just going to go ahead and read this here right off a twitter at breslow he wants to know Ken Jacobsen car enough to put seventeen points on the board issues obviously the birthday of issues at linebacker Cleveland Feral is is I think questionable with a concussion doubt he plays if he's still in the protocol on a Friday night you're amid that's all the questions we have mainly

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Tue. 12/10  Warren and Buttigieg Try to Out-Disclose Each Other

Election Ride Home

16:38 min | 2 years ago

Tue. 12/10 Warren and Buttigieg Try to Out-Disclose Each Other

"Welcome to the election ride home for Tuesday December. Ten twenty thousand nine hundred. I'm your host Chris Summary of Election News Today Warren releases details of her client work mark. Buddha judge gets the NDA release. He asked for the impeachment update one more. Republican announced his retirement from the house. A new poll offers offers. No help for candidates hoping to reach the debate stage but then another poll does change the picture. Gabbard says she won't attend the debate even if she qualifies office and Georgia Republicans decide only one presidential candidate will be on their primary ballot. Here's what you missed today from the campaign trail first up today on Sunday Senator Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren released details of her client work as a lawyer going back. Thirty four years the earliest case I could find in the document was from nineteen eighty five in that case she worked as a consultant dealing with women's health issues and she did that work for free. The first paid item on the list is from Nineteen Eighty nine in which warren serve as an expert witness in a case related to tax law for that one she brought in just over twenty nine thousand dollars. The last item I can see in that document is from from two thousand nine. In that case she was counsel for Travelers Indemnity Company in a matter related to as best as poisoning for that work she received just over two hundred twelve thousand thousanddollars she was elected to the Senate in two thousand twelve. And I don't see any cases that overlap with that campaign or her time as senator. All of this comes in the context of conflict flicked between the Warren and Buddha judge campaigns about disclosures they have been feuding about how both candidates have had corporate clients in the past and whether the amount of information mation disclosed has been enough. We talked about Buddha judge yesterday and more on him in just a moment. The Warren document is fifteen pages long and builds upon existing listing material. The campaign had already released. There's been a lot of media reporting about the total value of that work. I've seen a bunch of headlines saying that Warren earned just under two million dollars for her legal services. And that's true but it's important to understand that happened over multiple decades and it's also useful to put that work and the money in the context of Warren's tax returns though showed us that in two thousand eighteen alone she brought in about half a million dollars in senate salary plus income from her books. So it's not news that Warren has made money. The issue here is who she has worked for in the past. And for how much reading for medical by Joshua Ashley Jamerson in The Washington Post quote MS warrants private relationships with clients and what possible conflicts of interest me exist have recently come to the forefront in the Democratic Democratic presidential nominating contest Pete Buddha judge the Mayor of South Bend Indiana has called on Ms Warren to release tax returns from all years when she did legal consulting or other work. Ms Warren has previously released eleven years of tax returns. Ms Warren's rationale for releasing her compensation rather than more tax returns earns is that her legal work dates back to the mid nineteen eighties and would require about four decades of returns according to an aide who said such disclosure would exceed seed accepted practice and quote anyway this does point to an encouraging trend which has candidates being very transparent about their finances and their past work. In my opinion. I think we want that. We probably don't want all the bickering and insinuation around it. MM-HMM NEXT UP. Mayor people to judge has been released from his nondisclosure agreement by Mackenzie. This was something he asked asked for. And I reported on yesterday pretty from report by Daniel Strauss and politico quote Mackenzie the Management Consulting Company Pete. Buddha judge worked for after college has released leased footage from a confidentiality agreement and will allow him to name the clients he served. We recognized the unique circumstances presented by presidential campaign pain a McKinsey spokesperson said a statement after receiving permission from the relevant clients. We have informed Mr Judge that he may disclose the identity of the clients he served while at Mckinsey from two thousand seven to two thousand ten and quote while I have not yet seen a statement from Buddha judge about this I expected as coming soon. Meanwhile well reading from the end of that same article. Don't expect too much in the way of wild revelations quote we can further confirm that the clients Mister Buda judge described in his statement Edmund on Friday December. Sixth are all of the clients he served during his time at McKinsey. The McKinsey spokesperson said and quote. So the remaining information we're looking for is what what the names of those companies are in another development. Buddha judges announced he will open his fundraising events to the press. This is new as he previously had private. Sometimes high-dollar events in addition to the big public ones. Some candidates are not holding any private events so they don't need to have a policy like this since anybody can show up the policy of allowing Prasat. Private fundraisers is one that Joe Biden has done since the beginning and typically it means one reporter goes to the event they write up a report art and they hand that report to everybody else the campaign also emails that report to press. Now I get those emails from the Biden Campaign and sometimes times kind of funny because of the reporter couldn't find much to report on often because the actual remarks by the candidate were so brief so they end up listing like the food that was served served or describing the room in really intimate detail and other super minor stuff. Nice work if you can get I guess but I should note that in the Biden campaign pain. The presence of reporters at fundraisers has caused news to break that's where Biden's comments about working with segregationist. Senators came from but again and this move from Buddha judge increases transparency. And like I just said I think that's what voters are looking for Hiring is challenging and it used to be hard multiple job sites stacks of resumes a confusing review process. But today hiring can be easy and you only have to go to one place to get it done ziprecruiter. In fact go to Ziprecruiter dot com slash begin. ZIPRECRUITER sends your job to over one hundred of the Web's leading job boards. They don't stop there. With their powerful matching technology ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes as to find people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job as applications come in ziprecruiter analyzes each one and spotlights the top candidates. So you cannot miss. This is a great match. ZIPRECRUITER's affected that four out of five employers. Who Post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate through the site? Within the first day right now listeners here can try ziprecruiter for free. At this exclusive web address ziprecruiter dot com slash begin that's ziprecruiter dot com slash. BG I N Ziprecruiter DOT COM com slash begins ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire and now the impeachment news in three minutes or less today a house. Democrats announced that they have completed two articles of impeachment against President Trump. These articles have been published. And you can read them yourself in the show notes. The document is very readable and it is just nine pages long with big wide margins and double spacing Article One covers abuse of power. Hit deals with the specifics of the Ukraine matter itself Article Two covers obstruction of Congress and deals with the president's refusal to provide documents under subpoena and his instructions actions to staff and former staff not to comply with congressional subpoenas for testimony. The big question going into this was whether there would be a third article related to obstruction of justice in the Russia affair as detailed in the mullahs report. The answer is no however in the text of the articles. Democrats do imply the Muller reports. Its findings are part of the backdrop. Here they say there's a pattern of quote previous invitations of foreign interference in the United States elections. NSA and quote. Let's listen to a clip. In which House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler makes history and introduces articles of impeachment. Listen in our president and holds the ultimate public trust when he betrays that trust and puts himself before country. He endangers the constitution he endangers our democracy and the endangers our national security the framers of the constitution prescribe a clear ear remedy for presidents who so violate their oath of office. That is the power of impeachment today in in service to our duty to the constitution and to our country. The House Committee on the judiciary is introducing two articles of impeachment charging the president into the United States Donald J trump with committing high crimes and misdemeanors. So what happens next the Judiciary Committee votes on Thursday on whether to pass these articles out of committee given the Democrats have a large majority on that committee. They are likely to pass assuming that happens. There would then be a floor. Debate in the House presided over by House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi then the articles would be voted on by the entire house. One one at a time. If either of those articles passes a House vote that means president trump will at that point be impeached. That would make him the third president in our country's history to actually be impeached. If that all happens then this process moves to the Senate where details are still being worked out. So today is a historic moment and the process continues today. The latest Republican to announce his retirement from the House is Representative Ted Yoho of Florida's third district. When he came into office he promised not to serve more within four terms and he is currently in his fourth term? So you know he is not running for a fifth points Gio for fulfilling his promise. This makes Yoho. Oh the twenty four th Republican to announce. He is leaving the house. His district is likely to remain Republican despite recent redistricting to include Gainesville which is a college town hosting the University of Florida. The Cook Political Report classifies that district as solid are in what I hope is our last story on Representative Duncan Hunter and whether whether or not he is officially retiring he has now said quote. Shortly after the holidays I will resign from Congress. It has been an honor to serve the people of California's Fiftieth District. And I greatly appreciate the trust. They have put in me over these last eleven years and quote now because hunter technically nick lease still has not announced his actual resignation just his intent to announce some sites tracking retirements. Don't list him as an official retirement. And but I think the message there is clear so I am counting him as your retirement in my numbers This morning monmouth university released a new national poll supporters of Representative Tulsi Gabbard Entrepreneur. Andrew Yang have been waiting for this poll in hoping it would give their candidates the one remaining result that each of them needs to make the DNC debate stage next Thursday. Oh yeah a good time to remind you. We have a debate coming up in just over a week anyway. This poll offered no help. It had gathered at less than one percent and Yang at three percent. They needed four percent result so after this poll neither candidate qualified. This means they have less than three days to go under to get one. More poll result the deadline for all qualifying polls at the end of the day on December twelfth. One week before the debate as of this polls release. Only six remaining candidates are qualified ride for that debate one more note on this poll it shows the effects of Bloomberg's entry into the race accompanied by his massive advertising push. He shows up at five live percent in this poll so technically he does have won qualifying poll however because he insisted he will not take donations he cannot not passed the donation threshold for this month. Even if he gets the polling he needs. That means no way no how not going to be on the stage next week. And here's some late breaking news after recorded that last segment yet. Another new poll. Oh came out right before the podcast went live. So I'm jumping back into add this little bit while I don't have all the details yet. A New Quinnipiac poll does give Yang the result. Zolt he needs so he will be at the debate next week. And meanwhile on twitter Gabbard said she would not attend the December. DNC debate no matter. What reading from her tweet late last night? Quote for a number of reasons. I've I decided not to attend the December nineteenth debate regardless of whether or not there are qualifying polls i-instead choose to spend that precious time directly Lee meeting with and hearing from the people of New Hampshire and South Carolina and quote. I should not put scare quotes around the word debate and at present she has not Stated any of the specific reasons she would not participate and a reminder Gabbard threatened to boycott the October DNC debate until the last minute when she dropped that and decided to attend anyway so who knows what will happen here but stay tuned last up today. Let's check in on where. Republicans are with their primaries or lack thereof. We've talked about this on the show quite a bit but the latest moves at the GOP. In Georgia Gotcha will have a primary but there will only be one republican name on the ballot for president. President trump will run unopposed in Georgia's Republican primary. This comes despite five other Republicans submitting their applications to be on that Georgia primary ballot. The most notable are former representative. Joe Walsh and former Governor Bill Weld eld and it comes after Minnesota did the same thing back in October. Generally the justification from the State Parties is that with the incumbent candidate President Trump polling holing. So well it is an unnecessary expense to hold a primary while Psalm. Especially Walsh and weld may debate that logic it has now spread to fourteen percent of US states. The addition of Georgia brings the list of states. Either without a Republican primary at all or with a single candidate Republican primary two seven seven. They are Alaska Arizona Georgia Kansas Minnesota Nevada and South Carolina. Well that is it for one more episode of the election ride. Home I have been your host Chris Higgins. You always find me on twitter at Chris. Gan's as much as today is in fact historic moment in terms of the president's impeachment. It's a very strange feeling to cover this stuff. There have been so many hugely consequential moments over the past a few months that it's easy to lose track of what's actually important versus. What just another passing blip today is big? It just doesn't feel that way because has it has been so clear for so long that this was very likely to happen so this may well be one of those moments. You'll recall in twenty years. You'll say yeah. I remember that day when they announced the actual impeachment articles. But today in this moment it feels to me honestly Tuesday. It's a weird thing to be sifting through the news news in this era and I have the distinct feeling that it will only get weirder as always. Thanks for listening. And we'll talk to Y'all tomorrow

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Episode 42: Adesanya, Whittaker, Burroughs, Cruz, Shevchenko, Rountree, Brown, many more

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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Episode 42: Adesanya, Whittaker, Burroughs, Cruz, Shevchenko, Rountree, Brown, many more

"Gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday, April fifteenth two thousand nineteen wanna a Hawaii welcome back to the program. Hope you had a lovely weekend. Yes. I am back from hotlanta. The dirty south dirty dirty the AT L. I know you're all going to be very sad that I can't do that whole routine anymore breath. Retires after today show. It's good to be back. You have C two thirty six is in the books, and I must say, and I don't have a lot of time to say this at the top, and I won't get too into it. But it's been a challenging couple months for yours truly. I've had to swallow a lot of razor blades, and I'll leave it at that. If you're perceptive you'll understand what I'm talking about. But it's not that important. But the only thing I wanna say is on Saturday night for around ninety minutes is route assign. Yeah. Kelvin gas lem dust Emporia max Holloway reminded me. And I think a lot of you why we love the sports much. We owe them. A thank you. We owe them data gratitude those ninety minutes or so where some of the best in his. Of the sport. If out of Sonya and gasoline don't get that award in December the nose award for fight of the year something crazy happened because that's one of the greatest fights of ever seen. I was honored to be there. I'm an all of those four men, and I can't wait to talk about those four fights in particular. What else happened Saturday in Atlanta? Let me run down the lineup and get to a I guess because he is patients eating. He is a flight to catch three forty five. We're going to be joined by the reigning defending champion rubber Whitaker. Get his thoughts on Saturday. Jordan Burroughs, the two thousand twelve Olympic gold medalist and freestyle. Wrestling will join us at three twenty five three zero five Mike Brown dust emporium head coach will join us Daniel Strauss. The former tower featherweight champion will join us at two forty five. He has an insane story. Stick around for that colo- route tree had a big win on Saturday. He'll join us at to twenty five brand Davis looked amazing in his bantamweight debut. He'll join us to five fifteen Shevchenko's a superstar back home show. Join us at one forty five and one twenty five great Dominick Cruz will join us, but first let's not waste any time and say Hello to. The man who stole the show in hotlanta. The man who is now the new you see interim midway champion the last style bender called it. He did it. He said it. And now he's joining us. And if I was in Atlanta right now, I would go over there, and I would kiss puffy face because this man has not changed on us. He has not changed. He has not forgotten about his media friends. He is willing and able to do everything even with the puffy face. I can't believe it. He is a true Mench of all Mench is Israel. How are you? Feel like dunk right now a real like you said I puff daddy. What? Yeah. I feel like a Chan I feel like a fucking champion well-done. My man. I honestly I'm off you right now. I hope you don't take this wrong way. But I. I viewed differently after what you did on Saturday. Really don't do it. No, my respect if it was even possible, my respect for you grew even more that was such an incredible fight. It was so maisy what both of you did. And congratulations you deserve to win that fight. What you did in the fifth round. Was nothing short of amazing. But before we get all of that. I let me ask you. How are you feeling truly physically? How are you feeling on this Monday morning? Is. So after the fight on my offense from the leg kicks little bit ankle sore apart from that faces puffy it's already swelling down. Like, I told you I got that healing factor. Like deadpool, so already faces string shrinking and the. Yeah. The fly over the east coast. And yeah, I'm sure within the next three days, it's going to shrink Moines. I have my cheekbones back. How many stitches? Just on that one. I ask maybe ten okay? You've been a lot of fights MMA kickboxing. You've you've done it all at this point. Would you say that was your toughest fight like that took the most out of you? That was the most damage you received in a fight. Yeah. On a percent before this flat. I said my last night Winston. So for me was the the hottest flight for me to get like not prepare for to like overcome mentally the barrier ATL before the fight to face Addison. Because you're was to me this fight. It was about the mental barrier to overcome during the fight during the fight that that really showed me who I was at men in champion. So as he you know, I can't do this without him. You need to us. That's handle two of us to anger. A man. It was a very good despot necessary dance partner. I'm grateful for what we did there. Manda was commander go to a movie type you enjoy it. Did you joy that process? Or would you prefer quick fight didn't get out? I wanna get into get out, you know, get out about and the plan. You know, he was saying early on the flight like, you know, a lot of people stink for some reason. Have powers is. I don't have pop in my hands. That's what he said many times in this. Like, I said it's not about power. I don't always thought my power. I don't always have to you just have to touch them in the right place. I hit struck. And and you know, I puffed real good. Yeah. The spinning back-up, oh, we did in the fifth round in particular. I'm curious what did your coach tell you? What did you, gene? And the rest of your corner tell you going into the fifth because what you were able to do it seemed like maybe going down. I had a to going into the fifth. You gotta ten eight in my books in the fifth, which is just insane. And we're very close to finishing him. Was there anything that? He said to get you into that next year. Let me let me let me said seen for. I read a math watching a fight objectively twice so far. What again when I get home or before that as well to to go into the front get the Jing wasn't even know technical vice really he said to go to that place, you need to go to that place. And I've heard that before when he said it to me on the air dined way, the mates when I'm on the air, and he talks the yells at you go to that place at that place that you get uncomfortable. And you go past that you have to break that mental barracks. A lot of times we on the air on. You're pushing kind of crews can just kind of you pushing us up. He's not really pushing always that next level. So you can go to that place. Could hear my machine may Brad rebel who also wanted the weekend out Brad rebel quake? He says broke go. No, go number. You know, they like I made friends with darkness. I went to that place. I stood up out even sit down ever sat down during the during the corners saucer outstanding down looked across sets myself set to I'm willing to die on prepared to die vehicle IBM in your body. That means heart of a lion to be so yeah, I was ready to go on my shield. Guess what? If I'm willing to die. I'm wanted to kill and I went for the kill off. And there's even one point I hit with something. He was rocky stub back. I went. Let's go all day. Ready? Brought on the end for me. I knew I had that AVI. But I never thought I'd have to use that never thought I'd have to get to that point eight we all need these. Usually sapphire your need that you can't do that the German. If you do a stupid because you'll get paid the gym. But you need those fights because it shows you what you will love as a human the human potential. You know what I mean? So I'm grateful. I went to that place that I'm grateful that I pushed through and I was I was able to overcome that adversity had become the new middleweight champion of the UFC at any point where you worried at any point. Did he have you rock you thought that maybe you're on the ropes? Nope. Not the first round the first round caught myself. Really? Well, I was like a flash knockdown even hit the ground. You know, I could balance the fourth round that was the one I was like worried like are about to go out. I'll just like, okay. What coach ever said if you get robbed waved amid for more guys so stupid to do that. And they get the egos like Trump. Well for me. I thought it was a punch that you just said it was a kick. So and so an exhibition afterwards. What do you think about the he said, you said that was a masterful piece shot selection from Kelvin Gasol, Niagara 'cause never kicked in the head before like not that I've seen a long drive at somehow you reach Mindich from that high and the way that he kinda like stutter step event hit behind his state left was pretty it was beautiful, and I kind of wobbled, but that I kept my composure with each laws ruckman he kinda rush for the guilt. And then he gets himself out and went for the take out. So that was only time I kind of felt like a lot of trouble recovered pretty quickly. Like, I don't was he has a granite shit. I get hit a lot. That's all. I think even when I'm at times fog. Again in China slummy fighting in Turkey is at all. You gotta hawk shed are like a thanks like I don't want to be known for that. What I'm hard to? I trust mass guys like junior fi everybody walks her and he's letting go to Santa me Bob Kraft quote solo shots. Stephen Worby, a lightweight at my gym of eight one of his upper costs before when we're having one of those flaws, and I know myself, I could take some shots. I don't want to cause. I don't like looking like a dump all the time. Your moment afterwards with your coach Eugene behrman who's getting more recognition now, and rightfully so headman over at city kickboxing was amazing because I know he doesn't like to get the attention. I know he doesn't like to do interviews. And I was told afterwards by guy I was told that he actually leaves the cage he doesn't actually go in the cage after fights. That was a rare time that he went in there. Did you did you recognize it, and is that why you did what you did towards him you paid Amish to them like that? Now, just pay like I forced even pictures. Like, I I you never likes to standing ages. Normally at local shows will just go backstage for the next fighter. And I'm like, no, you know, after like my. I like the sun Jeff to capture on picture because like that one as a beautiful because incredible like much much Jamie van you'll he's passed away with your sometimes I'll go on his face because grandma I'll go on my one on my archives, photos my phone, and I'll see pictures that remind me of those moments. I'm glad we have those because though beautiful moments. I taught my you need to stick around take these photos what? Yeah, he really likes to rush out of the cage for that. I'm glad he stayed in our plants to give him that belt a plan that moment already for so long even before the flight on before the news, I visualize these things every one I keep manifesting controlling everything away. Exactly exactly how wanted to. And yet that was just a beautiful moment because that guy without him. I career would be in the know he invested me since they want just invested. He lost money traveling the world with me about money. But he like that's be. Showed like he cared. He may to be able to not just paying back for nationally. What's Pam back in work and in hot something's you can't buy like? Yeah. It was it was one of the best moments of my life. Wow. Have your parents there as well was beautiful. I had an opportunity to meet them and your sister, really cool to see them all in the cage. And that photo I was gonna ask you about that photo so beautiful of you and Kelvin together. I don't think the regular human being out there who doesn't possess. What you guys possessive? We don't have that DNA us to do what you guys did on Saturday. I don't think I was saying it yet this one right here in Kelvin hugging. Each other that one sorry. That's you JJ. Which is beautiful. And it's only, but you and Kelvin afterwards shuttle each other a lot of respect and not only that we just showed the tweets between you two. And I'm just wondering what is that? Like like, you will now be connected to that's your Hagler Hearns moment. Right. You will. Now, be connected to this man forever. When you share that even though you were trying to literally kill the man, you said you were okay to be killed yourself. Now, how do you feel about Kelvin gasoline like two days later that is that is a bond that I don't think anyone can really truly understand unless they were in your in your gloves. So to speak. Us. I still feel the exemption. What about him before the flight, which was honestly, I'm indifferent blood, my respect for the men skyrocketed. And I'm pretty sure him again when defend bills against him because he's gonna come up the ranks. And I'll see McGinn at some point. But my respect for the man she's be shot through the roof. Because while I hit it with like he wasn't wants to play. Odyssey. Any pop in his punches. He found out. Yeah. And he took my son my best shots and EC stay there. I was trying to put out machine that fifth around. I dropped four times. I rock in like five times in fifth round. I was trying to put out I was trying to send him to the Hawaii. I think it went to the hospital just look after himself. But yeah, I'll try to take him out. And he's talked. I said these Mexicans they put away you said on the embedded as what you guys wanna caught that is I just have to be accumulated the damage is going to have a poker face. He doesn't have a Polk if he doesn't like to show his hurt and beautiful. Sean doesn't like to show when he's he's hurt. So yeah, I just kept racketed up racket up when I knew is a lot of people, bro. There's a lot of people have seen in this game. How some people I can see when they wanna way out in the office is just too much. No, I can't do anymore in any dislike they weak the weak, mentally. They take themselves out. And sometimes, you know, you those in the moment that fight. I could see that that that that voice now trying to tell you too much or something, and you you wanna way out will you never take that option. A lot of people do and you don't have five what life have to you could just push through, you know. So that fight. Showed me who I was showed people who I was. I'm gonna care about them. If Alrighty knew I had the end me. I I I knew I had this image. I'm proud that me and him to display heart. And I'm proud that a lot of that. We we created a movement that's gonna last forever. So now this sets up the big rubber Whitaker fight. Which would be one of the biggest fights. I've seen us. China may be one of the biggest fights and UC history. In terms of the amount of tickets, you could sell back in Austria for this. And I notice when you talk about energy. And I noticed when you talk about robber eucheuma Mazi, and you've called yourself the real champion there. Am I right in saying that there's some is there some heat there between you two can you explain your feelings towards Robert? Well, put it this way. When seen him based face is just shakes my hand keeps it moving. But then I hear talks on, you know, people say all you settle they'll send me a link, and I'm like what? I've never said anything bad about the guy. So there's one like apparently all that Israel that he's not he's not. He's let us go to the banks is a might they're hoping even pick Kelvin against me because he thinks Calvin was gonna beat me because he had all the well rounded tools. Well, I I was pretty well rounded in that flight one, you know, so. Yeah, eases one of those guys was hoping he doesn't wanna fight me. So he's he's hoping for the easier fight with Kelvin and a Robertson for rude awakening east in. I can't wait. I said advanced as they want to fly going UFC said I remember I was out just before outside the report or not said, you know, I'll be fighting rubber for the belt if he still has it, you know, somewhere in Auckland later on in two years in the report on give all you come back. You remember this moment and lever that reporter is. I needed to come to say he will write on that. But you know, I was right Esau. But yeah. Like, literally, everyone doubted daylight oh shore. Okay. And it was rogue Wilkinson. Okay. Go past him all in Italian. Just monkey wait till he gets faster virus top ten nine came up. Came up on their risks NC double later on. So he's the goat. All what he's all. He's the go passing ball Calvin this one not this this this one this wants to take Kelvin knockout. He's gonna take him put him on his back. It's over. He put me on my back with that sweep. We'll guess what I got with. As the rock triangle, Dexter fucking. And before that I had his neck the guy doesn't even having a sounds. I'm made of made like realize owes a bit of what he escaped those two. So this is pretty well. And all that in the front because I rock them conform three times why crazy in all in the fifth round so much action movie types aerial. Yes. Literally, and guess what? They're gonna keep saying when other champion of defendant like two times three times, then they're gonna be like all with flights light off already. Can't keep like I said, I don't have to prove everyone wrong. I'm putting myself right on the stand that. But what does Mazi mean? So that's a I think his heritage is moldy emotive that was over to Australia numbly Mazi 'cause I call strolling Ozzy. Okay. Okay. He's a pretty much. He's an Australian because he over as an infant his mom, just Mody. That's all he doesn't really. I don't even think he likes the connection to New Zealand in that where where he likes to be referred to as a QB prefers to be referred to as Ozzie and as. All black looking, you know, I go Africa. That's my chest. My heritage is Nigerian. But the school that I come from a learn how to fight that Lineas that I come from this from New Zealand. I come from a strong lineage of fighters understand that so yeah, I can't wait to the All Blacks most Muslim. Fords July you hear me? Now, you hear me I can hear you. I heard they were going towards July August for this fight. Is that enough time for you to do this? A man I've done a lot for the company the last fourteen months. Yeah. Gimme a break. Yes. So you want to wait longer you want some more time. I will I I will wait long. What's up to use? It really use the head coach you'll be the one decided when I'm gonna go again 'cause I took a lot of unnecessary damage in that light at in really have to but to Kelvin 'cause he hit some of his jazz. Very well. That's why this faces a little bit puffy. Remember what? Yeah. I think usually the I'll let you wanna come back. There wasn't a push. I I really had the power, you know, a lot of sense certain things I have some now that I happen about and there's no need to rush. And there's no need to rush 'cause they fought. What if three years rub Whitaker cause injury injury injury? Well in a year, I thought how many times I've had six hundred forty months, I said give me a break. I actually need to look after myself I need to if you want the best fight at me and him. Any look after myself. In hindsight. I I looked up to myself. I look after myself. So I'm actually gonna take some time off this time. Like Dana knows I've I've quit like to vacations can make the last two fights. So yeah, I mean, it's actually look after myself now my health 'cause I'm not in this a long time. I hit for good time and is more to life after fighting after fighting I want to be a father. I wanna be a husband won't be a good son on parents. I wanna let things on my wits about me. So I'm not going to be this guy will what's the gas foot? And then. After fighting. So I'm gonna look after myself right knob. So lucid. What's about me? So I'm going to be a lot of this interstate my time, and then I'll come back when I'm ready on Saturday. You didn't wanna dress John Jones? And I respect that. I'm wondering if show I'm wondering on Mondays. So I just I just did what Luke so. But you by the way, you know, he deleted his tweets about you. Do you know that know, nevertheless, it's interesting gets backlash. I wanted to read them, and I'm sure you saw them. But then I notice he deleted them. So what do you make of him? Now. What do you make of him saying what he said about you even before the fight and after the fight so George Jones he literally for minds meal. What hated most in life in bullies? I've had them a high school coming up and literally ease a jock Ezer, and he's not tell you. Why east picking the right time the smart way listen in those challenge? John John's light to look for challenges. The reason he started all this. He's the one that came up openly called me out and said, I like to Israel on your and Edita because he knows I'm threat. Guess what set us for so long? If you wanna beat me do it yesterday. 'cause our, you know, this every king bite. I get better. I get better every flight. So he wants to try to get me out early on when he when he knows I'm only year that you have seen. And I'm still learning how to guillotines like revolts ago and I snapped castle I'm still learning the game. So he's trying to jump the gun and get me out early. That's I've got jockey day in the middle. It's still gotta get Jukka dating. Hopefully, she gets past the joker and get passed on Robert. And I'll be the fight, you know. So yet, I've got all these get master. But he's trying to jump the gun because he wants to get me out early. I think that's I think just you just came across a dick on. I'm either. Guess what? Everything you wished you wish to could be when he was when he first given that you have seen on. I wanna be I made this joke loop before I wanna be there. You know, you know, Nike sponsor on you know, you to God all that kind of thousand literally used and in crashing, and you know, Royds and hide under the cage, and blah, blah, blah, all that kind of. And guess what? I was a fan UFC ninety four. I watched him from born. I'm like holy smoke is amazing Conan arresting like that. Because I'm told that guy. He just came across. Piece of dick. And for me. I don't like bullies. I detest Belise. So is gonna get this work. What not until I am ready now until I'm ready to give him this work. And I not Detroit I could fly them right now. Now, give him work. Will I wanna fight it when I know I can. I'm still learning. My God game is still getting ready. If you must stand up honesty stand up to me look away for against Smith out of line. Smith will look at what he's like. No. No, thanks. But. This way right now. He's the best. Right, right. Maybe maybe Rick, sir. Maybe so I'm play one ease. The Boston the final game in the game. The final boss. I still go some people to be some some buses to be in between in let we defend my belt a few times. I don't have to do this over twelve or sixteen flight, title, run, whatever I don't want that. Let me just beat all the top middleweights in my division other relevant once just once and then move for super fight with John Jones. But he's trying to ease. A smart guy. He like he's started this because he knows I'm Brett any. No like, I said, I'm everything looked even after I did what I did last year. He came out and said, I wanna be active champion now. I wanna finally four or five times a year. Guess why? I guess why? Now, he's starting to be a little bit opened by his hiding in the way lives 'cause he's been watching me, you I told you before the for the you have C awesome UFC due to an interview. I said John like they keep watching me act like they can watch me. And they can know who I am. Now. They're watching studying what I'm doing because I'm doing. Everything right. Sort of what I'm doing a mile away. Anyway. So, yeah, he's trying to say all wanna be active champion, and he's trying to be a little bit more open about and still be fake because people could smell through the fakes that he was being a fake. You know, all I realize it's interesting. I wonder who made him the lead the. Yeah. Evidently tweets, you never delete tweets that you lose. If you say something standby. So what I read was something something some call me. Daddy, third the delete he deleted both. And then he said something like now, it is about you now because you said it's not about him. And no, we're gonna talk about you know, he said something after the fight as well. But the tweet is gone. What? On airplane. Go you guys got to go. You guys got to catch. A I don't wanna take up more time as you're the men. Thank you so much. Congratulations to fight again off what you did. Doing your thing. My man congrats always mad AAC respect you aerial in everyone of the game. I appreciate you. Kelvin Obama Michigan Calvin we'll see each other get you'll climb up the ranks probably the belt against you. But what we didn't do never take away from us. That's a movie type she had some rocky types. And thank you for being a great desk on the great south of the party would not shit that all the best. Save travels theories. Interim champion middleweight division Israel out of Sonya. Unbelievable. Yeah. I'm looking right here. Now, we do know that John Jones has lead tweets in the past. That's not you know, that's not news per se. But I didn't think that those were like he was going in. I wonder why he does that. I thought he was kind of over the deleting of tweets, but holy smokes. What promo that was. Right. I mean, well, you see bottle that one up whenever those to fight if they do fight maybe in a year. So. Year and a half two years men. Impressive. That was great. That was fire. I'm glad he saved it for the show and not for Saturday at the post by press conference. Okay. So that's Israel's story later on. We'll talk to Mike Brown, of course. Head coach for one dust employees of God a lot more as far as thirty six post-flight reaction is concerned. But for now, let's say Hello to our next guest. Always a pleasure to be joined by the one and only Dominic crews there he is standing by dominant. Are you good? How are you? I'm while. I have so much to ask you about. But I I I'm just dying to know like Israel Sonya from your perspective. One of the greatest minds in the history of the sport. Can you tell us if you were impressed by what he did on Saturday? Of course, how can you not be impressed? You know, these guys on the level, they're competing. We've got a new level of athlete because we don't just have super athletes now that are highly athletic explosive, strong, Calvin and Israel both have that. But now we've got guys that are understanding how to move and making reads and making adjustments. And when you watch this sport ten years ago, you weren't seeing any of the techniques Addison used you weren't seeing any of the techniques that almost one hundred percent of the CIA's using though angles. Switching stance spin attacks spinning kick spending back. I mean, we see those things a little bit here and there in the day. But now, it's all the time. And so there's just level this thing it's fun to watch the sport continue to explode. Okay. Now as far as I think you're in Vegas right now. Correct. Yeah. I'm actually at the performance center. I got a workout to do right now. I just did PTO Michelle Miller. And and then that's it you've been chronicling your your road back to recovery back to. One hundred percent health on Instagram. And I appreciate it. How are you feeling right now? How is the shoulder? It's fairly good. You know in the past post a lot of stuff about my about my injuries, and like comebacks because you know, had my own boxes that I was putting myself in my own belief systems on this things have gone through all the injuries sustained at this point. I realized that whether I like it or not part of my story. Most of my stories injuries in coming back from noon. So it's only fair that I share that with people for them to get through their own injuries. So I'm doing most I can to give that out to others. So they can understand what can be done when have they're on injuries. I get so many questions about it kind of time line. Are we looking at you know area. It's a shoulder when you first tear that that the the tendon that I did on labor different. Labor's a little bit quicker than what I did. I the tendon actually off the bone which is the by this super sub Scapula's tendon, I tore off the bone. So now that they they chop that a little shorter in and pushed it into the bone. It'll be stronger than it was before the surgery before ever. So I will. Have to worry about it again. But it's a six month surgery total. I'm I'm about halfway through. Okay. So perhaps third fourth quarter of this year's reasonable. Yeah. It's reasonable. Definitely I and I'm always trying to be back as soon as possible. But with with what done, you know, you just been out long enough me. What's another couple months going to do at this point? Now, I don't know if you'll be surprised to hear this out of my mouth, but I am dying to know your thoughts on J dillashaw 's suspension, and we found out last week that he tested positive for EP. And then they went back and tested him again from a test that they said he initially passed in December of this past year twenty eight to be exact said that he had EP system back. Then what you make of this? What do I make this is just such a broad question? What do you actually want to know area? Were you surprised when you heard about this? I'm not I don't really have any kind of tach -ment to any kind of drug testing. I really don't have anybody because there's just no point. I can't control it. That's his job CFC's job. So was I surprised I wouldn't have been surprised if he did or didn't tester to be honest. Okay. A lot of people have come out and said, oh, of course, we knew this Cody has talked about this other foes mill people saying that this is something that has been talked about in the community. Was this something that you had heard about him in the past that he was cheating. I mean, if you heard what Cody said, he blade he said that an in the press conference. I was shocked that he said he said TJ taught team alpha male how to use it. Alike. Really like, and then you're going to sit here and say that he's the only one using it. It just makes no sense. You just said that he taught the whole team. So it's it's just interesting to me. And of course, you know, you hear them say that we've been saying this your favorite we. I'm surprising earlier. Cody surprising, get caught earlier all this stuff. But it's like menu part of his camp while he taught you guys. So what what are you really talking about? Right. So you feel like they're almost indicting themselves as well while they're trying to throw dirt on him. I'm not I'm not saying that I just don't see what the logic was insane. It just made no sense. It's like you're throwing yourself under the bus with him. He's part of your team. And he taught on you guys. You guys train together for how many years in whether that's true or not it doesn't matter. I have no control over it. And none of it's factual. It's all hearsay even even TJ and everything before December before the testing has been done to say what he tested before. It's all here set. It's. Just none of it matters. None of it matters. All matters is what I can control. And if I said in started worrying about people being dirty before I get into these fights the. What am I doing? So obviously, TJ's ascension and his his first performance against brow was incredible. What a what upset that was? And then he was just on this the rematch was even more pressing. And he was kind of known for those guys who had great cardio and keep on pushing. And he was hard to put away in the later rounds, and you find out about EP, oh, and that's sort of. That's the PD that helps you have great cardio and to keep on pushing it to outlast your opponent. You feel like this is something that forever tarnishes. Like you look at his legacy differently now. It's not about how I look at it. It's I mean, everything comes to me in my opinion because. Yeah. I get that. But but realistically area I have no attachment to Dell Shaw's or his decisions. I just don't he chose his I actually feel bad for him his whole I think that regardless of what I think the world believes that there's an asterisk next to it. Same John Jones. There's an Asterix next to the story. So at this point, I think he's gonna come back. Two years. Really is nothing I've been along in that injured, and he's he's just going to get healthy. That's all it's going to happen is TJ Bill was gonna take two years races kid, probably be a good father to his to his son is our kid, which is probably better pie better to his family. He's going to heal up. Who knows what he's going to do in this off time who knows how much healthier much better. He gets knows if he fills in gaps. I honestly think that when TJ Dilshad goes back. He's going to be better than he was when he was when he left because he's going to be arrested, and he's going to have time for his family. I can tell you that, you know, two years suspension really isn't nothing. I mean, I've been I've lost more years in that dude injury. So this really doesn't it's it's being played out as a much bigger picture than it is if we're gonna make him testing. EPL this big deal than what's two years. Should be more. Is that enough turn two years? No, it's it's not that is just two years in anything. I don't know why we're making such a big deal. I think you could sympathize with that. Because you've you've had unfortunate luck being inter for that long. But I mean, you could a top level fighter could fight four times five times in two years. I mean, that's a lot of pay days. It is. I mean, there's money in the Bank to do multiple time champion, and yeah, how much money did he make since that dirty testing that he gets to sit on? So he's doing just fine. I mean, he made plenty of money. He might not the way I see it is, you know, when you get a situation like this at teaches a fighter what it feels like to be retired. If anything is gift if you choose it, right? There's been no unfortunate luck that you're going to hear me say I had through all these injuries aerial. I am I'm more happy. I'm a more sharp on better than. Ever been in my tire life as a human being? So to say, the injuries were unfortunate. Luck would be completely wrong completely. Okay. That's interesting perspective. He's actually come out. Like, I obviously, you know, PD's PD's everyone has their take on them. But the fact that he has come out. No excuses has owned up to it. You know, went on his Instagram and did this video again, not offering any excuses actually think his team has done them. No favours by his coaches strength and conditioning coach I thought his his his diatribe did him. No favours. But I think what what TJ has said and done has been commendable. We're gonna compare to other people who have been called. What did you make of that? Were you surprised that he was that upfront about it because we've obviously seen people's tainted supplement, and this and that all kinds of excuses. He's offered none of that law. I mean when you did the investigation that changes supplements actually came through right for those people in it actually was true there were tainted supplements. Maybe there's a possibility that he knew there were tainted supplements. So he didn't fight it. 'cause there nothing to fight. He knew what he did. And he just fessed up to it. You know, you mean if you think about it like how much money they make. In those fights was it was it worth it. Right. And for two and for two years. I mean, it's just it's just something to think about two years nothing. I've been out longer than that. You're blowing my mind right now. Dominic. I thought you were gonna come in. And and be quite, you know, quite aggressive towards him and cheating and things like that. But you're you're taking a different approach not one that I also disagree with. But I just didn't expect it to tell you like the different place in my life. Where I realized the things I can't control I can't control. And there's one more thing. I built my style to beat people who are cheating. I started in this sport at one hundred fifty five pounds. So I was tiny. I had to be fighting people that were stronger longer. And if they got a hold of me, or if they literally laid a finger on the I'd probably be pretty badly hurt because they were they had thirty pounds on the fight night. Sometimes. So my whole style was built around guys that either because when I came in the sport this was ten fifteen years ago. I mean, you see some of these guys in the sport. Then there's a reason sonic brought in. So I had to adjust my style to that. So these guys are still doing that. I've been doing it since I started I've had the mindset of facing cheaters or whatnot. Since I started this sport in my style was built around beating people who decided to use that. Because there were no steps in the sport early on to take care of it. Like there is now. So now, my style was different because it was built to not take damage not get touched in two cost fluent movement constant head movement constant for now, you're seeing all that just looks like style nowadays. But realistically, that's because the sport has adjusted to the fact that everybody strong. Everybody's a super athlete in. So the damage has to be minimal. You're seeing better footwork. You're seeing better had movement. You're seeing better defensing offense. And that all comes with the progression of the sport. But it also comes with the sport just adapting evolving, and I had a style that was built that has stayed relevant through the volition of the sport. And because of that I haven't taken too much damage, regardless of whether people have cheated whether I know or not or whether they have, you know, beat me even getting beat. I haven't taken as much damage as a lot of people. So it's just it's a matter of thought about it. It's it was already part of my regimen to deal with these types of scenarios. So when you bring it up it has no affect on me. Like, I'm already been thinking this way that people were doing that. So I've already dealt with it. As a result of his suspension is gonna fight Henry Fudo for the vacant title. Who do you like a Netflix? How do you see playing out? I liked that fight for the division. Because more is to me. I think would be great champion for the division right now. To be honest. I'm hurt, and I'm about authentic people as champions are not about necessarily always the greatest fighter earth from. You know, the champion is the greatest fighter generally. But offensive people are few and far between in an authentic champion is almost impossible to find. And I see something like Lor is that could possibly be one of those types of people in those are the ones that spark intrigue in in the masses make people want to be part of the sport make people want to join it, not the ones who, you know. You can't even know who they are what they're saying. If they mean what they say. And that's just as the personality base as the and who would be a good champion to hold a division in strong point. I think mice now as for the fight itself. I think that it could go either way. That's a tough fight for both guys. You got the resting pseudo. But I really do believe that it's tougher fight for Henry than it is from rice tougher fight for Henry than it is only because he's moving up or because of the style both. Okay. I think that Henry is is can can do if he comes out and fights Moore is away. He did TJ that was a style. That was that was a game plan sprint out the gate. Keep t-, Janice. Heels I think tactics like that wall was work really well for Henry, and it's just a matter of if the fights go longer does he have the experience to stay comfortable for the five rounds against big kickboxer who can move. Ultimately, are you picking Marlin? Why might become that? Also, I don't know. Can't do that can't we you never know. I don't know where they're gonna put me. I I literally this far in advance. I mean, we're we're less than two months away. When do they tell you? They might have told me already aerial. But I'm in the moment, man. I look at my calendar. If I would have I'm not thinking, what's after this. I'm right here. Sure. I do have something to do. But I'll check my count. If you want me to check. I it's okay. I understand. And I respect the fact that broadcasters. You don't you don't wanna make those predictions. It's it's only right. I'm just curious by the way, before let you go a couple of weeks ago, your old pal favors said that he is itching to come back, and it looks like he is going to come back. Are you surprised to hear this from him? No. I think he wanted a kid probably why he stopped looked like me out of kids. So that makes sense. That would be the only guests. I could think of why you would stop being him because he was still healthy. So good for him. Congratulations on that. And for coming back to fighting. If there was a time, I mean, I hate to say it. But if there was a time we needed another hundred thirty five or that that had a name behind him. It'd be now right TJ out Cody out Moore is there. I wish I was in there. And I'm sorry to letting the division down. But you know, he was one of the catalysts that help build it. You know, he never he never won a world title in the UFC. So if there was ever shop for maybe this is it are you interested in or are you done with your already thought me if he if he can get the title and I fight him for the title. So be it. But let's be honest like, I just gotta get myself healthy and show up to a fight right now. And I understand that. I'm not silly. I I understand what's really going on. I see. That's what matters. Is just getting into this next fight. I just wanna compete aerial. Like, you said there's a lot of paychecks to be made out there, and I deserve one of them in. And I want to go earn it and I love doing this. I love still giving back to the sport. But I can also give back to the sport through fighting. And I can bring new new things to the sport. I still think even now new ideas new movements new fundamentals new things in and that's what I to be also be part of you're not getting paychecks from fighting. But you're doing a great job on TV as always. And I want to say, congratulations to only you. But the birthday boy Gilbert Melendez your new show in locking victory is really great, especially for those that love the technical side of the sport. You guys do great job of previewing these fights in a different manner really showing us literally showing us in the cage what to expect? What makes these fighters great? How the fighter's matchup? It's a great idea to fun. It's a fun. New addition to the roster of shows that we get now from the new ESPN partner. Ship so kudos. Keep it up. Man. Thanks for sharing. Granted. Congrats. Your boy, Brendan forgetting resigned to the U of C. Yeah. Brennan logged in one hundred forty five pound of Asian gets another -nother UK bloke to to bring on I call them. The dirtiest piketty, I know. He is hilarious, man. But you guys are gonna love getting to know him. And he's a good training partner mind. Good friend. Good human good things. Come in for him. Awesome. Hope could things coming for you too dumb. Thank you very much for the time is always good luck with the rehab. We'll talk to thanks area. All right, there is dominant. Cruise one of the greatest of all time. Great insight somewhat surprising and said, I didn't expect that out of him. But always a pleasure to have on the show. Now. One of the fun stories to follow over the past week has been Valentina shift chant goes homecoming. Holy smokes. If you've followed her on social media, I tweeted out a couple of videos, she went home to Kirghistan few days ago, and she has been treated and received like a mega star. I'm not even saying that. I mean, really this is not hyperbole like a mega star like thousands of people showing up to greet her wherever she goes meeting with the president getting gifts, this has been truly an amazing thing to witness. She's the new issue you have women's fly. Which of course, she won that title. Back in December. She defends the title for the first time in June. And she is now in Saint Petersburg. Of course. Her sister Antonia is fighting this weekend and Saint Petersburg against rocks ferry. But I just had to talk to Valentina about this amazing homecoming Valentina, how are you? Hello. I'm very good. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. I know things are very busy over there. So I really appreciate you look very Royal in this city where are you right now. All right now in the hotel and just came back from the beautiful walk by the shore or never and we took a little. I by wife end like it was some kind of excursion about explaining their history offensive board. And it's really amazing in. Getting a comb at home. I'm in hell and just like crop fitting good as always. I said it has really been amazing to watch the reception that that you got upon coming home. When was the last time you were in curious then. It was a long time ago. It was two thousand eleven like, I'm at my home country, your your son. It's already eight years ago. Why were you away for so long? Why didn't you come back sooner? I it's very good question. And everytime. I asking myself why? But you know, the very like easy answer. Because we were so busy in fighting and making our like provoker year, and you know, like every time it was being repaired for some competition. Any? Asian I parent at the Nina, then like her torn my sister, she's refer and every about something to have an in mind every time I idea if I go to my home country, I spend at least at least two three months, and I every time was like looking for unity, but you know, like this time and we were in. Thailand ready for the fighter fun tonight as board. And like like, I mentioned after my five and. One of the both resident of their you sound. He called me. And he said congratulations five, and he invited me to come to Kirghistan. Kirghistan till I hit to use this fourteen ity. And I knew it's going to be just gone be. I had to use it because I head to show the bell you'd see to my people because I know so good that interview San. MMA an anti of martial arts more. I tie 'em is port number one in my country, and a lot of people there like everyone that respect a lot and say laugh, you the and I use it. I have to go. There and shows about and if I was I have so much more emotions inside me. And I'm so happy that I were. You're my home country at least one week. But it was it was it. Expecting that many people to show up everywhere you went were you expecting that kind of reception. You know, when I rent, and when I was repairing to the trip, I didn't think about how gonna looks like what I expected, I was just exciting to brief the air of my home to like, go to my favorite places. But I didn't have a lot of time to do. What I wanted to do. Because all this like maintains everytime we had to do. And by the most important. I I felt this laugh of. The people, and they really lost these area laugh makes martial arts. They're left mois. I in this time, they showed all this love. And I'm so blessed to. Feebis? And I know that I have he huge support from people from my home country from all of them. I think when you were in the airport, they give you like a cookie, and you ate the cookies at a traditional cookie from your home country. What is that? Yes, it's tradition. It's like thirty Shen not actor son, but all countries of like Soviet Union. Tradition when they welcome, Hugh, and they give you a breath, but this special if member folk it's like, right, right friend with you can say like this. But it's exactly like. So in all kinds of tables EMC, this this kind of food, and it's very very Schnell. What was it like meeting the president? And was that your first time meeting him? These president. Both nervous time when I met him like Thurston. It was a main than you know, like men. I think for every elite for every fighter Wednesday that told son of the country saying like that you like your five people watching it. Live people's rooting for me. And the it's amazing to hear this is like the best motivations that everyone can have. And you know, I know exactly like it after all of this more like they the president. He gave me a VAR the of from. The vice of honor order of honor. It's about a so it's it's meant in a lot for me because you know, looking back on all the time like how people because Drake me, I feel that I have to train Daba time more I have to be eating more focused like I haven't timed folk with much more because I know I I definitely them. I have to show like good flies and every time being and everything. I I'm doing it for Michael. Moment someone that you met a young child conversation that you had from this trip. That will stay with you forever there. Is there one moment or two that really sticks out above all the madness that happened that you experience. You know, I think it's not only one moment it like everything moment. It s and go minute everything. Go people. Every single person they gonna save me forever fan them. It's like I can adjust just one because it is combination of altogether. Do you still have family that lives there? I do have my mom. She's leaving there. She's braised of your son. My life, the ration-, my grandfather from mother, and my grandmother for a father side, they they feel leaving there. So of goes like my. Mogole in my mind idea. Then I go visit my my country, I gonna be this all of them, and I spend with them like as much time as I can and heavens that I could do it because I really like. Off my family, and you know, the most things that my mom's kicked us on birth. So she's here right now. Also, my aunt's mother says she came from Latvia and all they're like attentive support for the Saturday. No this today. So this is like I feel so so like good. So at this moment the happen pass moments that I like almost material me flying. It's amazing. And I understand that. She's getting a lot of support there as well. Ahead of her fight against Roxanne monetary which happens this Saturday. You can watch it on ESPN. Plus, so you get that you get that moment you get that reception. It's incredible to see. And now I'm starting to hear I don't know if you've heard this as well. But the you have C has seen this and the wheels are turning a little bit to actually have you fight in caregiver STAN or maybe close by have you heard this as well as there any truth to this? I yet because I was like sometimes the out of the show media, but you know. I would feel the heavens person if in the future, they'll have like youth van in STAN, I know. All my countries. They gonna come and defy is they because I everytime. I'm repeat. Because in my home country in courteous, fourth number one is not soccer if not and other one four number one is meets martial arts. Martial arts. If more all kinds Marshall lives in people stand people that leaving there like every single person doing any kind of four and a lot of a lot of good Fleischer's. And just in the moment is shows them like on the international like Arina because they are now like participation in different informational events, but I hope into near future they can show. Oh that talent all their keel in emission, all international promotion, June eighth return to action, you defend your title for the first time this time against just I just goes very confident person, she is taken subtle jabs at you and your Bility's your fighting abilities. How'd you feel about some of the things that she has said about you leading up to this fight? I know she can say whatever she want. And no, it's nothing can help your in fact out on and if she really wants to know about my abilities. Five TV has this of unity Chivo, see feel it is inside and inside of the actor and mostly the doors close. You don't have your mouth anymore and nothing gonna help or I know about my father. I know about what she has. I know about what I have. And I know that I have to just keep my focus on my trainings. And do exactly the same words. I will do all the time. And it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be good five and not not less and more. I heard that you actually wanted to return sooner. Is it true that you wanted to return in Prague, but she was in ready? Yeah. It was you see a rich out to Roger will my manager. And they asked about like do have to have me five brass on in February twenty something like this. And I said, yes, I said, yes, I'm ready to golden. It was about like listen month to prepare for this fight by then. Good. Good. Condition. So I said yes, but then they came back and that this because she has some kind like host the fide. Thompson something like about six or whatever. And she wasn't ready for this day. But she was ready for my let March or something like this. But after the like. They can back with June. A so it's of course, it's okay. For me. I had a little bit like rest. I'm I enjoy the little bit more being Thailand without thinking like heart-rending as my sister Dida, she was guess focusing on strain drain is referring I could like go in when beachside like amazing Thailand. So I'm glad that the things turned out like this. And I had two little free time last year last two years if they more exactly it was super beautiful mate was like training. Five in even it wasn't a so like these -i wife real five, it's but it was too busy in preparation because wanna phone drop for this day. I guess still like I still have to training rations. And this was I think it was very thirty for me to a breeze a little bit of different air. No, the air of the gym and thinking like too hard over version too much like five I if everything was working for me good. Yes. Thank you. As always for the time, very happy to see the love, and and the reception that you got back home, really cool to see. And I think your manager Roger for showing all that to me and congratulations on your new contract with the U of C. Good luck to you on June eighth. But for now, most importantly, good lecture sister Antonina on Saturday. Roxanne monetary? I'm looking forward to that fight very much. Thank you again for joining us. Confirm my area, and they have a good day. And they yeah, it's it's grammar great do that. Then enough I can see on Peter's, and it's gonna be fill out a female flight in thirty of us the Russia. So it's gonna be Mazen event. And I lot of. People coming and support and the Nina Steinway as like people's air time doing the same same as Russian people because this three countries the rule Kirghistan, Peru Andress it's million lots for me because I spent a lot of time living in this country and each one is like in my heart. They have like late. Four to it. It sounds like a special scene. I'm excited for the thank you. Tina, thanks so much. Bye bye there. She is Valentine shift chanko the bullet. Her sister Antonina again fights this Saturday on ESPN, plus and that is an important fight. And she just noted the first female fight. As far as you have see Russia events. Of course, this is just the second. They were in Moscow back in September. Now, they return to beautiful saint-petersburg as you see right over there. Prelims at ten AM main card at one pm prelims on ESPN two at ten eastern Maine card one PM eastern on ESPN plus main event Allaster ovary against Alexi Olympic. We had both of them on the show last week other fighters of note Islam, mafia as you see right over there. I told you about Roxanne modifier you see the lineup and while you look at the lineup. Let me tell you about our good friends over at vivid seats. I like the good people read vivid seats, and this is a great sponsor for us. I appreciate them supporting us we all love night out. I sure do go out all the time. 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So without further ado, let us say Hello to the killer. Bee himself, Brandon Davis Braden, how are you? Good. How you doing area? I'm doing great. I have lots of talk about my friend. But first off congratulations on the victory. Thank you. Thank you. Great win. Great way to start the show, and you were born actually in Atlanta you to live in Atlanta, you're born in Atlanta. How long did you live there for? I was born in Atlanta. I grew up in Georgia all my life. And just like that. He's back. Try to call. Okay. No problem. Have south of there all my life after high school? I went to Mississippi and for college football and everything, and that's when I moved missive, and I've been there since oh about almost not nears now, but Reuben Georgia pretty much life. Did you have a lot of friends and family at the flight? Man. I'm pretty sure we were the first there wasn't that many people there. But I'm pretty sure everybody there was there. My friends family fans or his I think I had like two hundred people there that is amazing in in one of the big talking points going to the flight was that it was your one thirty five pound debut. But it was revealed beforehand that you were running twenty miles a day in order to make one thirty five that can't be true, right? I was through it. Now, it wasn't twenty miles. Great at one time. I would get up in the morning six AM. And I'd read about six and a half miles. Get done goes strikes in a wrestling turning seven to eight eight nine of striking. Waste the one by my now just whites and they're not get home and run another seven vials, and then not have a six mile run that night as we got draining median, jeez. Into when you were fighting one forty five typically, how many miles were you running a day? A day. Not it wasn't daily. It was a lot of training not probably like ten miles a week five times. But or three and half malls redounds on this bridge, and we do. Now into the PI. They it wasn't even just to run twenty miles a day. It was more. So they told me that where I needed to get my heart rate needs inter fame that we did on the on the treadmill? So it wasn't like I was just jogging intervals sprint. So our go two minutes that seven miles an hour or eight miles an hour. And then I would go a minute at ten miles an hour. Now, two minutes eight miles an hour. That'd be my first one today for six and a half miles in the seven miles would be I would go ten miles an hour for one minute. Eight miles an hour for one minute two miles an hour for one minute. Eight miles an hour. From one minutes involved outs, limited walks. Rousing. Our one minute a five minute rounds? Your woman lot get your heart back down like the fight. Then you go against you. Start out the fight fast somewhere in the middle slows down than fast base in the middle. Again, slows down in the in the end the round fast. Three ten minutes, rents revive minutes may move. And this is why did you even decide to go down to one thirty five? Wasn't really my decision. My coaches have been not coast. One of my coaches might Sanford had been asked me to do it for the while. And then Allen, Sean shopping geocache, not as the CPI, Steve I could actually make the way, and they got me on a diet and everything. Said that I can do how did you about the idea initially? I at first I hated as good a forty five strong. But then the more that I thought about it when I got to the saw that it's going to challenge me and make me work harder. And why not do that as hard as I can? So people are Steve people say all may have he's have run twenty days two thousand five was wrong with twenty miles day's gonna put you in Becker shakes, cutting waterway. I literally made this way that easier than I made forty five any fights new allergist better said to make and how long did you have to do that for the twenty miles a day? They sent me to the PI January fourth, and I never got word of a fight that fight in February or March. And I never got words just kept training to do it every day anyways. Begging to get on the Nashville card begging to get on the Philadelphia card literally begging off as they gotta fight in Atlanta. I'm from Atlanta, give me on their do anything. I usually hate being early on the car. That's not complain one time they had the first light on their nice. Because you know, exactly when you're gonna fight right? And we got out of that. When we got out of the Rena and hotels, still light outside of never. You didn't stay for the whole card. Why? I mean, there's a good card. I watched it on TV. But I was there to do my job and everybody has their jobs. And make it back to do that often says break, go hang out with them. I heard and I wanted to ask you about this where we're looking at your last five fights on our board over here. Is it accurate? Like if you would have not won this fight against Randy. Would you have called it a career? I said what I said was I'm sure I would have got good out. It took some time out of coach lot. Now. I don't want to coaching. I mean, it's just a long track back outta took my time. I wouldn't try to wrestling Ayla. We get seven fights right now. So I can try to make it back in his best looking so. I may of course, I didn't think I was not by late afternoon valves going to be legit, but I wasn't gonna quit after just gonna take some calls. You believe though that if you would have lost this fight. It would have been three in a row for five you prone on you would have been cut. One hundred percent. Wow. That's a lot of pressure is not. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But when I'm in there fighting I swear to God. I don't think about it. It's just the fight. So when I'm in there fighting man, I'm going into this by always last and ever good time in the fight. I'm not going to do that by. I mean, it's just too fun to me not something where some people going there, really nervous and everything I go in there and have a Anjar. It gets me back position sometimes and else meals. And I also heard that one of the keys to you changing your your body and cutting thirty five no more drinking, no more alcohol. How big of a pro life was alcohol. Our drink like six pack day, at least when I got home from training at night. But. I'd rather be doing this anything else. This is what I went to. So I'll do anything that I have illegally not cheating, right right to your and and once I stopped drinking. I'm easy and bounce start setting off. I was walking around at one six seven now lock around like one fifty two got down even forty eight. A couple of weeks before fight just walking around without cutting weight or anything. Now, I'm back up to like when sixteen then the way back down in ready for another one. So so you're you're fighting you have a one forty five or you're getting ready to fight the likes of Mongouma, cherry pub, recently and Ricky Zola cetera. Cow buck neck, and you're drinking a six pack a day during training minimum while you're training fan. It's not like out of training camp in the midst of training camp. Yeah. Damn. Why why are you doing that? I was like beards. Hadn't cut that out. Now replace that watering herbs Jake's, well, don't take any. It's weird for me to drink eight drinking water, a drinking, protein, shakes and everything. I don't know. I just like the national beer missing. Really? Was that hard hard to cut it all out? No decision. I want to stay in the snows reason. Okay. And that was your decision or did someone have a heart to heart with you is may one hundred percent either have heart heart with myself Lona drink beers. Like anybody else can do to understand the it's very news. I'm trying to get here. Mums I can be and you said six pack minimum like like how high did it get like you ever go twelve year ago twenty four when. I can drink some beer now man, sometimes pay and as always Budweiser this gonna make you Morgan at like eight hours they talking about. When's the last time you had a beer? Yesterday. Oh, right. Right. Right. And celebrate if you saw my Instagram. We had the whole bad of beer after the fight. We always over beers. I think we've had six cases in there, and we had bottles, and then but I wondering again until after the next. Okay. If you by the way, you think that if you were this clean going into the beat fight you beat them. I think that if I would have been able to train for the V fight in our beating I'm not I'm not going to be I think would have been. It went all around. And who knows what happened other like I was beating on the before that fight ahead. Three bulging disc in my back. So I wasn't able to train at all. I could bear they've been down. So I was on the table every single day like whenever they told me that fight. They sit on this table thing that lay down and you hold onto and they put some threats round your feet decompre- strikes. You out impressive your back. So I wasn't able to train at all. So I wasn't shape. But I I mean, I told DC and everybody before the fight can hang with anybody standing up. I is wrestling was was really good like jujitsu still as host. He caught me with something is still arrest. I just got tired got up tiredly. But I feel like I go a lot different is still probably take me down still have problems there. But they're not make it to around not getting up some tiredly. I didn't get tired all this last by then third round knows. 'cause he's tired too. Right. Yeah. And that was a that was a great especially during the fact that you took it on such short notice and the fight on Saturday was great as well on some other cards. It might have even been consideration for fight of the night. But then of course, what happened in the Komen and main was was just completely incredible stuff. Was he better than you thought? He would be an n I'm just curious about his style. Because even they were talking about on the broadcast Rogan was like the way he was moving his legs the way he was moving to shoulder. It was a very awkward style. I never seen that before. Did you notice how he was moving? It was strange. Yeah. Knew he was gonna move where it he moves like that. And all this. But I didn't expect it to be so hard to anticipate where the punches were coming from because. The punches. He moved really weird in the punches and kicks from different angles. Which normally see so it caught me some incoming beacon Kesri Zola. Nobody's calling the punch like that. And I mean, he caught me. Props to him. He hit hard. He was tougher than I thought because his opponents before great, smells, I meant. He has based buddy, but he came out and he was game. And I said whether the storm and China so that I knew and LeBron's nuisance. No stitches on the nose. Now, it's could have a little bit right now that we just wrestled earlier snowed. We did like five minutes live all bloody no days off after fight like that. Yesterday. That's my drinking that we had to drive back. Then have a buddy drive back and drinking on the way back writing. Now they off and then. Get ready. I've not where I wanna be engines and the finish was impressive as well. And somewhat unique in its own right? Because you did submit with rear naked. But you never had your hooks in your almost like off to the side there sort of it was kind of like a camel clutch. If you wanna compared to like, a pro wrestling move is that something you do often? It happens a lot in the gym just because I can't get my hooks people. If somebody's back must time, they're not getting away. And he didn't let me get my hooks in. So it's kinda as if whenever you do Matt return you have your arms around their body. Are if you've ever changed in Logan oil put on there. And then you turn and they still on one side and around the same thing with my legs. So tightened up around. He couldn't move his hips that also allowed me to hang off to the side and couldn't crow artery little more. Wow, whose impressive great finish. Especially after he, you know, he he rocked you little bit there. And then I love the moment afterwards. Because at the winds Randy was honoring his late friend, Devon carrier who passed away in a car accident. So that you know, he wanted to bring him there for his you've debut unfortunate for him. He didn't win. But you decided to honor him with the photo that he was holding. When did you think of doing that? Did you ask them that beforehand? How did that come about? Because I thought that was a really classy move on your part. No. I thought about it before the fight. I don't think that just because you fight that. On what he should not be able to get the attention. So after the fight went up to nasty. He can't find us fiction Helton out and got his on a spotlight and everything. So he was really cool about his cO all week out is probably still gonna even if he wasn't code. But that probably one the collapse of fault. I was just like that. Everytime. I mean, but. Like that. But yeah, it was his family's reached out to me ever since then. And everybody's been super nice about it. And I appreciate them and anything I could always like that. I will. Randy's family or Devon's family Devon's family. Wow. That's what did they say. His mom. Thank me. Appreciate me. His brother just messaging the earlier appreciated as well. And said that it wanted to make use the time that I could do that since men, and they're gonna send me some church all the time. I like doing stuff like that. Like, I have a rant. Now. It's got seventy sushi shirt on now and. I haven't been able do much just yet because I was getting ready for this white rod talk to Ray Borgen. We're gonna have t shirts his son because as the problem with this renders grind, so well and one hundred percent of the profits edited his family without notables in. That's you have a chance. Go check outs after sushi dot com. We'll have and. And does great. Did you know about Devon did, you know about Randy's story beforehand or you just found out that week? Now, I've watched all this not seen. It's kinda looked up. What it was? And I think that's pretty cool, dude. So I mean, I knew I could help just because you don't mean that that shouldn't be done. And then I love the fact that you had a name ready. You said you wanted to fight sugar. Sean O'Malley, why him in particular? Men only defy Bangor's. I'm not trying to go to the ground and be it'd be blurring. I'm a Brown belt Jetsons. I don't mind the ground at all. My wrestling is getting better as minimum two hours a day every day are six days a week. But I like to stand in bang put on the show, you have nobody knows that by now, they don't know me as lending about. So I mean his game with that. Do you think there's any interest? There. Have you heard anything back into since you? Call them out. I haven't heard anything. He probably doesn't think I deserve it. And I mean my right to grievious right now. Let me get another one problems. No matter. What if he was not vigilant get it? Okay. And it's only about his style. There's nothing else there that made you ask for him. Now. I love just like on the beat a love fighting strikers, right and love bang, by the way. I don't know if this makes you think any differently of me, but I have never seen a second of game of thrones. How do you feel about that? I saw on Twitter Instagram further men. You miss now. I swear to God, I told my fiance, I told my buddy Hollis as I do. They would not watch anything. I finally convinced them to and they both. They hate me because not leave the house they sell into the show. And now he is sending me messages winners coming and game of thrones. And all this stuff. But my man you you're bigger than me. Now, I'm telling you watch it not disappointed. Not even that long. There's only ten seasons ups for seasons persons and thank last last eight episodes has men wait catch up. Okay. All right. You're starting to sell me a little bit. How was the how was the debut episode yesterday of the new season surprisingly not as much action as oh. But there's only five more. So there's got to be smashing somewhere. So I'm excited. I told my buddy tolerant the way dude like a little kid just waiting on this every weekend. Now the season. Just starting Zoe five more episodes. What's up with that? Only have six says is I don't know. They're an hour long. But man is like watching the best movie ever seen every week. Wow. Okay. You are selling it strong. All right. So you got that out of the way. And then I'm assuming next year's sticking around one thirty five regardless of who you get. Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna go back up. I love having to put this work in challenge myself. And I feel like it makes whenever you the baseball players in NFL athletes. They have schedules and practices, and they use so much per day today and everything I want. I wanna make my stuff as I wanna have an eight hour a day where I'm putting in software, like a maximum professional athlete. Didn't when I need. So. So. That's takes me running three hours a day. Wrestling, two hours a day in my other striking strengthening everything better three hours. That's great job on Saturday. A lot of fun to see grant way to start the show. And again, I thought that you guys were in the running for a little bit for fight of the night. But well done on making the weight and being successful in your debut. And I'm looking forward to the next one thanks for doing this, Brandon. Thank you have me on there. He is Brandon Davis. Lotta fun on Saturday to seem compete and his bantamweight debut twenty miles a day that is absolutely insane. Twenty miles a day to make one thirty five. And even if it's not continuous even if it's not in one shot twenty miles a day is just incredibly impressive. And if you miss the moment that we were talking about in the interview with Randy cost rent cost who's making his debut a member of team lows on at the early wayans stepped on the scale with a photo in his hand. And we weren't quite sure what it was it wasn't aware of the story beforehand. It was a photo of his friend and teammate Devin carrier who passed away couple years ago in a car accident and he wanted to bring him there for his debut. He wanted to have him there by side. So he had the photo the official winds in the morning. He had the photo with him as he stepped on the scale at the ceremonial wins. And then in the fight itself. It didn't turn out his way. So he wasn't able to honor him in the post fight interview with Joe Rogan, but Brandon actually took the photo and in the post fight interview shared it and gave a shout-out which you know, he has no relation to Devon. I thought that that was a beautiful moment as well. Really nice moment to start out the show on Saturday in Atlanta. So congratulations to brand Davis. I am looking forward to his next fight. That is that is an interesting one. I did hear that Sean is coming back soon. Sean O'Malley that his you Sada issue is getting cleared up. And I heard that they're they're already in talks with someone. I don't know who that opponent is just yet. But perhaps Brandon Davis has convinced them to change their mind. And if not it seems like he's well aware that couple more fights, and you could work his way back up. So that's Brandon Davis is story. I believe in a matter of. Moments. We are going to connect with Cleal Rowntree who won on the main card. He won in the fight right before the signing guests on fight that was against Erik Anders. What a great performance that was from clo- row who's coming off a loss to Johnnie Walker had the win over go consecutie in July of last year rebounded with the lost Johnny rock Walker and moved recently to Thailand. So curious to see how he looked like street fighter out there. His stance was on point his leg kicks point his striking was on point grey tweet from Eric Anders afterwards saying essentially that he is not had his butt whipped. Like that for what thirty two years by the time. He was what like that was. I think he said nineteen eighty-seven. So that was very impressive stuff. After we connect with Khalil rachi. We'll talk to Daniel Strauss who has an incredible backstory round the year and a half or so ago, he was involved in a. Motorcycle accident which left him potentially. Paralyzed. They thought that his life was in in great danger, certainly his career. They believed was over and the Biltmore featherweight champion did not take. No for an answer came all the way back and was able to walk again, they posted an amazing video of his recovery and was actually successful in his return to Bill toward just a couple of weeks ago. So that's an incredible story. I'm looking forward to talking to Daniel about that later on. We'll talk to Mike Brown the head coach for one dust Emporia over at the American top team in coconut creek, Florida. I'm looking forward to talking to Mike the former WC featherweight champion and then following that. We'll talk to Jordan Burroughs, the two thousand twelve Olympic gold medalist increased wrestling one of the most decorated American wrestlers, currently competing. He is competing against one. Ben aspirin at the beat the streets event grapple at the garden on. Six in New York City, and that is a dream match. If you will for wrestling enthusiasts couple of national champions going toe to toe in a match at seventy nine kilograms, which is essentially one hundred and seventy nine pounds. And I think that's one that the wrestling fans are very excited about I'm look forward to talking Jordan Burroughs for the first time in the will close the show with Robert Whitaker who will join us at the bottom of the third hour. The current you have see middleweight champion of the world. He is going to fight Israel out of Sonya. I'm looking forward to that fight. I thought it was very interesting that Israel said that he maybe isn't ready to fight July, and maybe needs a little more time is he has said that he likes being active. But of course, he was banged up. And I was talking to his team about this yesterday Whitaker's team. Like, hey, would would would August be a little soon for is in your opinion. And they certainly wanna come back, of course, coming back from the emergency. Hernia surgery. And the collapse bowel. But it looks like he's back the training feeling good again. And they want him to come back around that time, and they're talking about a stadium in Australia, perhaps Brisbane, maybe Melvin. But that would be gigantic fight. Remember, they went to Eddie hod stadium for UC one hundred three Holly home versus Ronda Rousey, and that's fifty five thousand tickets. I think they papered that a little bit. But I think that Whitaker Sonya we'll need no papering, and it would be gigantic. Australia loves it's mixed martial arts and a fight between a New Zealander Kiwi going up against an OSCE and having that fight in Austria, it has to be in Australia. It would be criminals that happens here in the United States. You have to make that fight in Australia. But does it work out timing wise, they have the pay-per-view July six in Las Vegas? I was told that they want to have another pay per view to make up for the card that they cancelled the paper UCAR that they cancelled in January end of January early August. And then another one in mid August, another pay per view card, then September and Abu Dhabi, which would be the return of hub, even Rogge made off perhaps. Against us Emporia if all works out. And so that's when they were targeting the return of rubber Whitaker. But what if is he says, he's not ready? We shall see for now though. Let's put a pin in that discussion and say Hello to our next guest. I was just talking about him Khalil Roundtree joins us now via the magic of Skype. Khalil. How're you doing good? How you doing? I'm doing great. Congratulations on the win. My man. Wow. What a performance. How do you feel like that was Khalil Roundtree two point? Oh that was a brand new around. That was incredible stuff. Are you happy with what you did out there? Yeah. Very happy. Man. It was it was great like that's exactly the type of performance that I wanted to put on. So I'm very happy. I also felt like I was watching if you were ever a street fighter character. I felt like I was watching your street fighter character in there. Like, your stance the leg movement all that stuff. Those those a lot of fun is this all stuff that you learned in your recent trip to Thailand or was it a part of the repertoire that you just didn't get a chance to show us in the past a lot of the stance and the timing and. Speed all that stuff is is all brand new. Everyone knows I've always been more of like a stand up striker, but I was able to go and actually build, you know, somewhat of foundation the beginning of foundation of of of my my my scales ya okay? So we spoke before the fight. But we didn't talk a lot about this curious. Why did you initially go to Thailand? The biggest thing was like after watching the Johnny Walker fight. And like looking at it technically and seeing like man when I was in the clinch, I got completely shut down. I didn't really know what to do. And so I knew that I had a jet lease up that if I wanted to evolve as a as a mixed martial artist. I gotta know clinch just like got not to and everything else. So I figured hey, why not go to Thailand? And learn it the right way. And also just I knew a couple of guys from from Thailand or that winter before and they came back with such like discipline? They would run before every session before they hit pads all that stuff just on their own. So I figure that hey, maybe there's something out there for me. So I went to go find out for myself. Now, do you actually live in Thailand? Fulltime now been out there for months, I went out there right after the Johnny Walker fight and all the way up and filled this light, and I'm going back within the next couple of weeks. For one year. Yeah. Whoa. You're gonna live there for a year. Yeah. Wow. And why why not just for training camps where you decided to actually live there. I just the trainings. Awesome. It's it's just a part of life like everyone there, even the fighters. It's just it's a part of their life. They they train all day. And then, you know, in the in the in the off time, they go in enjoy whatever the, you know, whatever the city has or whatever the island has implicate. So I love the people. I love the culture the convenience. Everything's like, very simple. I can you know, get fruit off the side of the road. I can just ride. My motorbike wear flip flops every day. All I think about their training. And and just a lot of clearing my mind. Great places to clear, my mind, just new culture, I love type people and they've been so welcoming for me. And so I think that you know, for my career, I think it's good for me to be there. Especially at a time. Like, this just it's the people everything about it is good for my heart right now had you ever been there before before you went this this first time to train for this. This was my first time and actually since I started. Inning in the may. I've always wanted to go. Even before I even did, Emma. May I knew I wanted to train tied. I was the first like type of class I took when I was like, overweight and stuff, and I knew man, I I really like Thai and one day I want to go to Thailand. And so like, you know, it came that time came, and I jumped on the opportunity and was there a specific team that you were training with their. Yeah. I I started off with a a multi gym called pet Yundi, and they're out of Bangkok, and I chose that place because they they just had this crazy bond, and they had a super nice Priscilla almost like the I it had you know of ice bath hot tub sauna Nagai's train with heart rate monitors. It was very like state of the art. And so that that was intriguing but all the guys they are like active Lumpini, Rajadamneun champions in like and fighters. So I'm like, oh that means that they're not doing, and they're they're really skilled in the have active competitors. It's not just like a tourist attraction. So I got. There. They were really welcoming. They're like, okay. Tomorrow five AM run. And we went on the five AM run around the Grand Palace in Bangkok. And I started to just whatever they did. I did whatever they eight eight and just it just became this thing. So at indeed, and they took me in family than they still they were all watching the fide boat. Who's the the owner of the whole thing like him, and I became close with it. Just everything just happened like so nicely. And it was great. It's amazing in into. I appreciate you you sharing the journey with us. Feel your social media did notice by the way, you're no longer on Twitter. Is that accurate? I couldn't find you anymore. Yeah. My new months ago, I don't know how long ago, but I think it's few months ago. My Twitter got hacked by some like betting online betting thing. So I think we just disabled it after that. Okay. So. Yeah. And plus, I don't I don't know. I don't really tweet too much. I don't really have much to say, I really like more pictures showing things. I don't really have much to to say to tweet or get into it seems like it's just like arguments and stuff all the time. So I'd rather just stay out of that. Keep my cool. You could show pictures on Twitter as well. It doesn't have to just be words. Yeah. But I mean, it's Twitter. I think I I don't know. Maybe it's just my own opinion on it just feel like it's just a bunch of talk. No fair enough. And then also one thing that I forgot that anti anti-land to tiger. They took me in and they made me feel home. I needed to go in and do my inmate training, and I got there, and I told them, hey, you know, I wanna do my camp here. If you guys can help me out and those guys they're the Hickman brothers all and they just took me in and really helped me to. To build not to build, but to add my new Moi ties heels into in the may so that was like that's that was like the icing on the cake. So for sure shout out to tiger more time for that. That was awesome. One thing. I noticed on your Instagram. You seem to get really cozy with some elephants over there in Thailand, what is going on over here. Like, are you bathing with the elephants over there? What's happening? Yeah. Yes. So I've always loved elephants since I was a kid. It's been my favorite animal. And and then so the first one the first time, I went to to see elephants. They were it was more like a tourist attraction, they ride it and all that stuff, and it just it didn't settle it didn't settle well with me. And so I found a place called elephant jungle sanctuary implicate, and they're actually an elephant rescue. So they rescue the elephants from places like that, you know, like from from having to work and having to carry people on their backs and do tricks and all these things they save money. They rescue them, and they just they have this like a bunch of land where they just set them free. And so we when I went there, it's just like a whole day of all in. Tearing feeding them learning about like how to care for them health. What they like how much a sleep everything you've just spent a whole day learning in bonding with elephants that are just you know, that are just really being elephants. No writing anything that we can take. Bass with them you can play in the mud. You can do all type of stuff, but literally just to be there and experienced them just for how they are. And that was the most like beautiful thing it experienced. So I'll definitely be going there like a lot more when I'm there. And I'm just curious we're we're about to show the photo here the one where it's like, you're rubbing this one. What is going on? What is this? What's happening here? This is you stuff. Yes, it's mud. Okay. And then a lot of other things. So. Elephants like multiple times a day at this place. They'll take them to take the mudbath is they like to cover themselves with the with the water in the mud to cool down because they don't have sweat glands. So they they they have to get in the water in the in the mud, it's cold. And they like it like the play in it. So they were like, yeah. If you guys want to get it, you can get in and I just dove, right? It man. I started picking up mud like throwing it on them during myself. They were spraying to be back. It was just it was a great experience. Like, wow, Cana just like mud wrestling with elephants right after that. We took him through the the more like a clear pond in and they wash we like we wash scrub them all down and then take him to this like big shower like a car wash. Our and washing down again, then go feed him and hang out. And yeah, it's it's a hell of a Damon. That's your like the kid from the jungle book. Oh, man seriously. I felt like that day definitely felt like like Mobili. Yes. That kid. Why the interest the great interest in elephants? Why them and problem there? You know, what I think it was when I was a kid. It was just this the way they look and they were so big. And and then as I started to like, watch documentaries and things I started to realize like how how crazy their memory as how smart they are? And I've seen like a video of an elephant actually painting a picture. So I'm like men these things are are way more intelligent. And there's something else about this animal other than just being big, and you know, and an intense. So then I just started to figure out there kind. They're gentle. They're wise. I saw documentary where a guy who was in elephant caretaker he passed away and all the elephants he took care of. They migrated to his grave on like the day that he died after look up the name and stuff. So I can I can share with the followers alike men there. There are different breed of of animal men. It's there's something special about them that I've. Just always connected to them. Just because I felt like something special and in Thailand elephants are very sacred. So just everything kinda fits all in the one. And I hope you don't mind me asking this. If you do totally understand. But as you tell them very perceptive when it comes to the social media stuff, I realized you weren't on Twitter anymore and all that and NF talked to your manager about this and something came to my tension yesterday. I I mentioned to him because I know that you were it's rare to have two fighters in the dating each other. And I know you were data franca Macedo. And then I realized because you guys were the cutest couple in the world. I mean, I saw all this like very, you know, PDA, but it was beautiful pedia. And then I noticed whereas I don't see her anymore. Please. Don't tell me what I think I think right now come on areo some on man, why you digging right there. He put it out there. You put the love out there. And just sad about it. I must admit I was really said. Yeah. Like, I definitely I don't really have anything like that. Or anything to say? It's just like it's life life and careers. As fighters are important things, you know, like. We we have a lot fighters, man. Like, we need to focus on fighting. Right. It's I think that every fighter who wants to be at the highest level. This should focus on their thing. I don't even know why have this weird? Fair enough. But it was out there. You know, if it was out just curious, I was hoping you you'd say, but that's I'm sorry. I'm very nosy as you know, I have a big nose, and I get nosy. But I appreciate you. Because I'd like your social media. You post them? Good stuff. That's all. That's really what this is all about. So love the always nothing beloved. Okay. Seriously for for me. Right. Just for everybody. Okay. For everybody. So afterwards. Eric wrote a great tweet we were talking about it earlier about how he hasn't had his whip like that since like nineteen eighty seven or something like that. Did you did you talk to he seemed he seemed to be taking a well. But that really was a one-sided beat down. And even I saw people who were sort of saying widened his corner stopped the fight. Did you did you have a word with Eric? You've been on the other side of a tough loss. Did you? Did you guys talk afterwards? Because it seemed like there was mutual respect there. Yeah. I saw him at the bar downstairs at the hotel. And I just went and told them like, Amen. Thank you so much because what I told him. Exactly, hey, like because it was you and because I had to fight you. That was the hardest. I ever had to train and that I ever studied. It made me elevate everything chain super hard. I did my homework. I capitalize on a lot of mistakes. Just so many things, and it was because I knew that was coming up against a giant, man. Like to me like I looked at Erica Anders is a giant like with a heart like heart of giant blood of a giant like he's hard to put away. And I knew that I couldn't just take any crazy chances or get too. Ahead of myself. I knew that I would have to work and be smart this. And so I just I told him all of these things, and I told them like much respect than you know. And and it was because of him that I had to go to work and really bring out the best version of myself who's incredibly impressive performance, especially after all the changes you've made in terms of training. And what happened in your last fight? How much time off do you wanna take now before your next one time off not like not too much? I really am very eager to get back yet back to Thailand in start. Just getting settled in especially working over at tiger. I only got to do maybe six weeks there if that five or six weeks and everything was very new just meeting. Everybody meeting the Hickam Hickman brothers in how things work. So now that I know how things work now can actually like establish. You know, like establish a specific type of training. So that you know, all this stuff can elevate. So time off is like the next couple of weeks. I'm just here in Vegas in my family, just reconnecting 'cause I've been away for so long, and then and then just back to training in and getting stuff in so. Definitely I hear there's a Singapore card at the end of the month. I mean at the end of the year. Hopefully, if that's true, I would love to get on that. But one more before that for sure so maybe maybe fall into summer. Fall would be perfect to go back in there. Again, anyone come to mind. No. But that would be one thing that we're definitely going to look at too. I definitely, you know, I'm not the guy who ever liked calls anybody out. But I think that we'll start to will start to to look at names and see what's what's the best. What's the best match up? So we we will be looking I will be looking and and adding people's names month for sure, and you feel like it seems to me like you're just scratching the surface here with your new training do feel like we're about we're about to see a whole new. The two point. Oh started on Saturday. But there's a lot more room to grow here with with what you're doing in Thailand that we're gonna see a much different Khalil Roundtree. The next time you fight. Yeah. Hundred percent, there's there's a lot definitely scratching the surface. This is almost like a new beginning. And a lot of people saw that. They saw that too. And the guys in the division. They saw that as well. So it's like, you know, there's there's new things to build off of those new ways to prepare. How to how to beat me and things like that? So yeah, it's a bunch of new building blocks and the marathon continues. Warhorses marathon continues or maybe we a war horse two point. Oh or something like that. Because it was a lot of fun to see a different version of you out there. And I love the stance stance was great keep doing that. If it doesn't actually help or do anything. It's just fun to watch. That's only plays a key role for the uninformed. What does it do? Why do you like that? I don't want to give away my secrets like like in DC and Joe Rogan pointed out in the fight. The just keeps that front leg light. You know, if I wanna fly kick if I wanna fly off t- aiding the kind of keep distance. I use a kind of sometimes to just if I want to stay in the pocket. Just relax a little bit. Brought legs they're light. So that I can keep keep my opponent. All right. Great stuff Khalil. I appreciate it. Very much. Congratulations on the victory. Well done. Welcome back. And please don't hate me for asking that question. Oh, man. So try my hardest. Not to. Let me tell you something. I don't wanna live in a world where Khalil Roundtree hates me the nicest human being on the planet. So if I think I might have to call it a day man, I'm going to do my best spend the whole day like meditating on how to forgive you. Oh khalil. I'm sorry. Much lower. Appreciate it. All right there. He is Khalil Roundtree. Welcome back. What a performance out of him on Saturday. What a win against Eric Anders tough opponent who perhaps should go back to one eighty five. I don't know. What's going to be interesting to see what he decides to do? But a great win nonetheless four Khalil Roundtree junior. Alright. In a matter of moments, we're gonna be joined by our next guest. I'm told that he is joining us. He is the former bell tower featherweight champion. He is a man who just returned a couple of weeks ago was victorious in his return. But what a back story what a road to that return for Daniel Strauss. He joins us now via the magic Skype. Daniel how are you? Going home. I I'm doing well. Thank you very much for joining us, by the way, congratulations to the team dust Emporia. I know you're you're you're buds of them. Great win firm right on Saturday. It's been a long time coming he's been grinding for longtime and can be more proud of them. You know what? I mean. He definitely deserves. It man. He's he's a hard worker. Greg. Great fighter. Very humble. So it definitely deserved him. It seems like everyone loves max in him. But every you know, max ready champion the fact that he finally got that built us then got that built the whole MMA community seems very happy for for Dustin, especially what he's doing with the charity back home in Louisiana. So I I'm really happy for him as well. I know. Dozens background where he's coming from Louisiana blessing unseen the. You know, been doing this thing for a long time. Like, I said it's well deserved. And like you like you said with a lot of people like max. And both of them are great both of them. Great fighters. But like I said, I just couldn't be more heavy phone. That's great. Well, happy for us. Well, so great Hugh back what an amazing story. And I know I would imagine there's probably a part of that is tired of talking about what happened on that night in December of two thousand seventeen the the seventeenth of December to be exact, but for those that don't know one more time could you tell us what happened and what you went through. Basically, what happened was I was involved in a motorcycle accidents around a dead bone hit hit a guard world rail and was stuck up under gar real and had some damage my neck central corrida contue or central cord injury than shutdown my body. So I had no movement on my right side had no movement through my body in his doting back in, you know, initially when a when it happened. I was being told I'm not gonna fight again. I'm not going to be able to walk straight not gonna be able to do a lot of things in. So. Yeah. This past year and a half minutes spent a lot of just staying focused and just south building, you know, just working on myself and trying to get back to the fine. And you know, you have any recollection as to why the accident happened. You know, what the be honest. I don't remember what happened. I've had some people. Tell me one thing of had other people. Tell me other things I really don't know. Exactly what happened. 'cause I went out like a went out. So. No. I don't exactly know. What happened? Oh, okay. And you actually stuck under the rail was stuck up under the guardrail. I didn't. So usually like if you hit something you're gonna slide, but how I hit Alvarado hit. I went right up under the guardrail and I did move. So I didn't like slide in avenue of rug burn or no, no road rash or anything like that. I just stuck. So I think that's what really caused a lot of the damage on that. Oh, my and was their fear that you would never walk again initially. For me. No. You know, they said that to me it just winning one air another. I know how so a norm athlete on on a very strong minded, very strong body and premiered just was like. Yeah. Listening. You know what I mean? And they want day to day three, you know, first weeks I week everything started to come back. So I knew it was gonna take a a no is gonna take a while. But I knew I could get back to how long did it take for you to get out of bed. At a it was like on my own was good. Oh, probably we're gonna half if not more. Wow. And were you out initially like did it take you a couple days to wake up from it? No. I guess you know, I was back up within a contest you maybe ten minutes of that accident. Okay. So all I really remember heading boom. Why don't remember actually hitting but hit nicely? I remember waking up under the guardrail seeing the guardrail, and I couldn't really move at all. So I was trying to screen for somebody pulled me out from under the guardrail eventually truck pulled up and helped out in Kabulis and not have stuff. So. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think if you weren't an athlete if you weren't as strong as you are that you don't make this kind of recovery? I mean on ninety five like just to like have a normal life and walk in the way, you do for sure the up until a lot, you know, just just been athlete and just doing things that we've done as athlete at athletes fighting training, and just you know, the rigorous. You know, workouts that we gotta do it helped me with my mindset as far as like bouncing back with their. I went to a lot there. I went to therapy and seeing people that were were dogging. But they didn't really have hope for what they were doing next. You know, they're just doing it for me. I just went there. And I just knew I was gonna try to get better. I was gonna get better. I was gonna walk out of there. And that's just the mindset I kept. So been athlete is always just, you know, main Shawna person thing did they did anyone actually say to you? Okay. Like, you make a recovery you could walk and have a normal life, but fighting out of the question. Yeah. That was that was the number one thing that was told to going into the the hospital person. They wanna do is emergency surgery told him, I couldn't do emergency surgery. 'cause I fought in the first thing he said is you don't have to worry about that. If you know. Wow. That's gonna be that's over with. So it was a little tussle not really tussle. But we. Had words back and forth. In like, I told him not not doing surgery. I'm definitely fighting again. And you know, we just road from there, you know, my management and. Michelle polling from fact, athletes, they got on top of it family. You know, some better some better doctors than a great therapy place for me to go to and that was that. That's so what did they wanna have surgery on the wanted a fuse? My from my see foresee five and c six. And so and you said, no, we're not doing this, not we're not. Yeah. It's maybe not always the smartest thing. But this is this is my life. This is what I wanted to do wanna fight. Have been injured most of my career. You know? I mean, this isn't something. That's not me. It's not something that wasn't aware of you know, just the accident made it kinda stand out. So. In. Oh, just keep saying here in battling don't want God to I don't have no other choice. This is my life. You know? This is what I love to do. So wasn't really be anything that helped me from him. So Indian did you have any surgery? No, I'm eventually going to have to have surgery. But right now just completely therapy surgery on what? On that. Oh, so that that same surgery. I don't know if I'm going to actually have that same surgery or one that's similar, but I'm gonna have to have some some, you know, some doctors go into my knife from from the years of wrestling and the Desportivo him as taking the toll on my body and my neck, so I definitely have some issues up there. But I'm you know, I'm able to fight. So how long did it take for you to feel hundred percent? Say I'm there yet. Oh, I just feel like I feel like I can continue to build on where I'm at. So I've never felt like I was ever hundred percent. You know, I could be one hundred percent maybe six months ago. But for me, I don't feel like I'm a hundred percent because I feel like I could continue to do. You know, I continue to have deficits that I've been working on, you know, three months ago, they were there now they're not. So for me, I can see growth and in others. It's about for me. So I still I can be a hundred percent down the road. But it's just about building for me. How long did it? Take for you to feel like okay, I can accept the fight here. I can go in a training camp. I think I went back into the gym sometime in like July somewhere around there of two thousand eighteen. Last year two thousand eighteen that's like seven months later. Exactly. So saying. You know, I wasn't doing much wasn't doing any spun or any, you know, major anything, but just in there and. After that. I felt like if I could just build on this, you know, I'll be a blood to to get in ripe position. So it was about a good. You know, a year a good year in December. I'll say I was ready to definitely take a fight. Did you feel initially when you when you were starting to train to do feel worried like about your neck about doing the wrong thing? Did you feel hesitant tentative at all? I'm in the natural reactions. I'm not too too nervous of it. Because like I said it's been ongoing problem for years. I've been working with this this leg since I've been in his game. So just because other people know about it doesn't mean it's something that's going. Not me off my rocker. So yeah, I was a little tentative, but nothing that was going to shake or happy not get back into the cage. Mentally, what was the process like what were the days where you thought you may never walk again properly that you really did believe you wouldn't fight again. How how was it? Oh, yeah. There's a lot of down days under it was good days bad days. But it's definitely been a rocket road like, mentally, you know, I had days where I wanted to give up mentally there was other days where I was on top of the world because I could see the improvement and. The funny thing is is one of my last doctor visits. I had told myself going into it. I'm just like, you know, what I don't know. If I really question myself a lot. I don't know if this was something I wonder continue doing so you played with me a lot. But. You know, I think. Just a to test man to test the power. You went in there you want just a couple of weeks ago. Like, I said you look good. I mean, it was just impressive considering what happened in the footage that we've seen of you courtesy of Bill tour when you actually one when the flight was over, and you knew that you came all the way back and and want in your fight and sort of look like your old self. What was that like emotionally? It was a lot man. Like, a is kind of hard to describe, you know, it's it's not just me. This has been a a group effort among a lot of people. You know, friends family coaches, everyone knows my daughter's a big part of my life. So it wasn't. It wasn't just a good win for me. It was something refreshing for or you know, a lot of people that that's been on this road with me. So it was good to get back into win column. But I look at it like in you know, any other fight when in my job got out ready to go back. Now. Did you feel like yourself out there? No, I don't really not yet. You know what? I mean. It was. It was good to get in there. And see where I was at and see you're not how could handle the pressure of coming back to fighting and whatnot. But like I said man, I feel like I can keep building. I keep. Can get to one hundred soon just as long as I keep building keep building keep building. So you know, I think I can fight just like the old me, but I would like to keep building on just like any other fight of wood or so we're you more nervous anxious to normally because this was the first fight in a while. And after the injury things though. You know? Things IT was real bad. You know, going into the fight making way and to twenty four hours between not make them wait and get into the cage, which is kind of nuts. When me, you know. I had a lot of you know, Zayed's shoes. I had a lot of doubt ahead. Then that raise the doubt, you know. I was just going on up and down on stuff. So it was definitely a a game changer for me. And is that not typical for you? Not really, you know, I usually just a block everything out. My family, my friends there and. I don't think anything about anything just from two weeks leading up to my fight. I usually just switch. I don't really care about anything. I don't really have too many like notions or or worries or anything like that. I just come to fight. That's just what I do a fight. And this was the only time I really I mean, I've been nervous. Of course. I'm nervous twenty four fights. But this time was a little different. Just like I said things idea they are the whole, you know, he's hurt. He's back. You know? Let's see how he does. So that was just really over one. Wow. Do you think that's going to stay with, you know, this part of your new reality or or now that you've got the first one out of the way you feel like that? I don't know side. I don't know. I would like to think that that'll be done. Okay. In. I work on my mental a lot. Even my coaches help me work on it. So it's just one of those things that if you break your hand, you know, you go into your next you're going to be thinking about it. You know, if you terrib-, you know, hamstring, whatever you go into these next fights thinking about it. So it's not anything that's not unheard of not normal. But just keep pushing forward man, I keep trying to build those blocks, and and the get over the hump and over the wall that I have. And now, here's my biggest question for you. Because I saw this clip. But I don't know if that's like old footage or not are you are you back to riding motorcycles. How's that? Even this is why I feel like I will never be. I can't even understand the mind of a fighter. And how courageous you guys are and how special you are. If that happened to me, I would I wouldn't even walk like within one hundred feet of of a motorcycle your back riding them. How's that possible? Because the reason why was back riding is because I had to get back by and if I couldn't get back on the bike. I knew I couldn't get back inside the cage. Okay. And you know, again, that's just a minimum and a little bit of the crazy thing. So got on the bike still running been hit yet. So good. And how long did it take for you to get back on the bike for the first time after the search? That's a while. You're what was that? Like the first time. Real nerve wrecking. I was going about seven miles an hour. I thought it was about the Dan resist. It was kinda comical actually if you were there, but it was nerve wracking mound. More nerve racking than the hours before the fight. I think so because I love writing stuff much, you know, what I mean? I don't wanna I don't wanna get that up. I don't wanna get nothing up. I wanna get his five or not. But riding a definitely don't want to give up. You know, you go down you big yourself up, whatever. But I don't wanna have to give up something that I love so. Yeah, I think it was nerve-wracking take over a year to get back on the bike probably about a year a little under year because I wasn't supposed writer, obviously. But. But you're gonna tell me. Have you have you ever seen the doctor who told you that you would never fight again that it was like an obvious thing? I haven't I definitely wanted to go reach out to the gab put a. You know, I never went back and seeing those it's water, underbrush. Although I have seen my therapist over. His name's gay over at a narrow fit three sixty guy. Definitely put a lot of work into me. And if anything he's the one that I wanted to see more because he put a lot of time in effort into me, and he did believe in. He did believe in me, and you know. Doc is gonna tell you whatever they're gonna tell you. You know, I don't really did there for a reason they gotta make money, whatever. But someone that time and to me that's who I really care about. So that's why. I went back and show, you know, their progress. Wow. Did you did you did you see the fight? Yeah. That's amazing. That's incredible. What a story when you want to return. Tomorrow fuck in. Ready whenever I think I wanna get something in the summer. You know? The past couple of years been a little lackluster with the injuries and sit down while, but I wanna get back on this. I want to get back on my group, man. I wanna just give fighting stay stay healthy, stay active. I'm very happy for you, man. I'm also happy that the hair is has grown out because I was like man, it was devastating when you have to cut that that was my heart bled for you on that one. So the hair is back. You are back. You're close to one hundred percent. What a great story well done to you. You're an inspiration. Really incredible to see what you were able to overcome. Congratulations on all of that. And congratulations on the win a couple of weeks ago. I'm looking forward to your next one. Appreciate thank my pleasure. There is Daniel Strauss. What a story on our YouTube page on YouTube dot com slash ESPN, m a couple of weeks ago. We posted a video that I believe to produced of his recovery. It's a little bit about the the accident. Self say, there's not a lot of footage of that. But then a lot. Of great footage really inspiring footage on the recovery. And so if you want to see more on what Daniel Strauss had to overcome. I highly suggest checking it out he defeated Shane crutch in on March twenty ninth into Mexico beat him in the first round via rear, naked, choke part of that he had lost to enroll and. Like, I said, he's a former bell tour featherweight champion two time built or featherweight champion. And now, I'm curious to see what this new Daniel Strauss. Does in his return after that horrific motorcycle accident? Okay. One man who knows a lot about Daniel Strauss is our next guest. We're efforting as they like to say the TV business corporate Jake loves to say efforting, that's one of his favorite lights corporate shape was in Atlanta with us for the first time corporate, Jake and your Rick were in Atlanta for different reasons, different jobs. But I thought that I didn't know if Atlanta was big enough for those to you goes in in the end Atlanta survive. But if you if you felt when you include yourself, well, no, I think I'm pretty humble guy. How on a scale of one to ten how much does Khalil Roundtree? Do you think? Do you think hates me right now? Do you think he really hates me? Like, do you think that fifteen fifteen percent fifty? Josh I was actually excited there for a second. When you said fifteen percent. My theory is if you're going to be that open with the the good stuff, and then when it's very noticeable. I feel like it's it's worth worth asking much to put on the spot. But I just felt like, wow, I was actually kind of hurt by it. It was it was one of the great love affairs in our sport. And I didn't want it to be true. And there's only one way to find out. And that's to ask someone maybe you can make the argument on on an interview. But you know, here we are talking about having a nice conversation. And I feel like I did in the end, or at least that's what I'm telling myself. I hope I sell shit. He's a great guy. I mean, a true bench. If there ever was one one of the nicest human beings in the sport. So anyway, I'll be thinking about that. Until I. Apologize profusely afterwards. But in a matter of moments, we're going to be joined by one of the head coaches at American top team. Our our other producer Daniels told me that if I watch game of thrones that will salvage it. I feel like not I actually was watching Charles Barkley yesterday on the NBA TNT pre-game show. And he said that he has not seen game of thrones. A second of it or the sopranos I have not seen sopranos game of thrones. The wire I have not seen a give me some other ones that everyone watches. There's there's like those other those another one all those breaking bad never seen an episode all those shows that everyone's been watching these days, you know, the ones haven't seen the second of them the wonder years phenomenal fresh principal air phenomenal Seinfeld. Even better the rest, not a second. And you know what? Dan, proud of it. I will never watch him. All you wasting your time on a Sunday night watching that nonsense. Come on. Oh, yes. Greg Rosenstein, reminding me fight club never seen it either. What else star? War's never seen it. And here's one that will probably blow your mind you ready for this one ready for this. I've probably seen of all the films, and I'm talking about the new ones of all the Rockies. I probably seen five percent a little bit here a little bit there. I've never sat down and watched a full rocky. How about that mind blown or what anyone everyone I did see creed. And I saw the rocky one at the end, which is almost more barium anything like I saw the Mason the line Dixon one with Antonio Tarver. Saw that one saw creed didn't see any old ones. What was I doing a child? You may ask as watching a lot of basketball. I was watching a lot of other sports, you know, live sports, but it wasn't like a big movie TV guy. I like a lot of WB law of wrestling little WCW, but more WWE WWF guy, if I'm be I have seen ready to rumble voice of God. I have seen ready to rumble that was a phenomenal film. Starring David Arquette. In fact, I think I saw multiple times Assad them theaters. And I thought it was great and love how they made the movie into an angle afterwards. Like, then he became champion. Like, I was one of those people. He actually won this belt right here. Not the end up yo, but the the world heavyweight championship. I was one of those people who actually thought the angle was good. I didn't feel like it. You know, it's soil de sanctity of the title. I thought everyone was acting a little bit too hoity toity. So I've seen that. That's a great film. And otherwise, you can you can ask me if there are any other, you know, culturally impactful films or TV shows, I probably have not seen them. The wonder years, though, if you're if you're out there, and you have not seen the wonder years, please trust me on this. The wonder years pretty much sums up my my entire adolescence. It's just a phenomenal series. You guys saw back there. Right. Anyone wonder your fans? Yes. No, okay. Jay, my man JC in the wonder years. I knew I could count on him anyhow matter moments. We're going to be joined by Mike Brown and wanna give a shout out to rich Franklin who on Saturday. It was announced is the second inductee in be Jeff Wagoner manager big lebowski never seen it. That's another one. Wow. I'm a huge loser. Even bigger than I thought never seen it. There you go. There's another Star Wars never seen it. How about that? Not a second. Okay, fine. I'm going to I'm going to take I've seen all of those. I love those. I did see back to the future that counts. Anyway, rich Franklin inducted into the hall of fame or will be inducted. He was announced as a inductee for twenty alongside Michael bisbee. He's going in as a pioneer, by the way, the bad guy couple of weeks ago. You'll recall I actually said remember, I said jen's Pulver who it's all looking good because Franklin's a pioneer, but maybe next year. And then I said rich Franklin at the end. So apparently someone in zoo for land is paying attention to the program because. I said, and usually when I say these things speak them into existence, but in all honesty that was a nice surprise. I actually saw rich Franklin. Couple of weeks ago at the one championship media event in Las Vegas before UFC two thirty five and I was like a rich longtime. No, see he he now works for one championship and he lives in Singapore. So it's not like you'll see him in Vegas or see him at a random you have event. He's kind of out of sight outta mind. And he was talking to me a little bit about his relationship with you have see and and I actually brought up the hall of fame and why I feel like I feel you should be honored. I mean, you were one of the faces of the you have C he headlined the first ever tough finale people forget about that. They think it's Bonnard Griffin or Sanchez floor. You know, it was Ken shamrock vs. Rich Franklin in the main event of the tough one finale, and he beat Ken shamrock. And then he went on to win the title against Tanner. And he went onto the fend the title against Nate quarry. Remember that amazing knockout where Koi stiff as a board as he was falling down, and then he'd be my favorite fighter at the time. David laws, which I was a little bit set about. But I always thought that he should be on it. I know he wasn't the longest title reign of all time. But it was a pretty successful, title rain. And of course, he he ran into a buzzsaw and Anderson Silva, but I always thought he should be in the hall of fame. So I'm happy to hear that they are putting him in the hall of fame. I think it's a little funky. How I love that they're paying more attention to the whole fame. These days I've talked about this in the past. I think it's a little funky that they're sticking to it has to be one pioneer and one modern day. Like, I just feel like the most deserving should go in. It's all like in the baseball hall of fame. You say, you know, it's gonna be one pitcher one outfielder or something like that. But fame is different. I just like that they're taking more seriously. They're making it to a big deal in your call. We spoke about this couple of weeks ago. It's just one fight card. This international flight weekend. If you will if you want to call it that it's Saturday night. But then on Friday, they're going to have the hall of fame. So they used to have like the tough Anneli on Friday now. No, more tough Anneli jus-. Just one card and then hall of fame on Friday. So I am excited about that. I'm looking forward to that wanna give shutout as we're trying to. Okay. Mic branches landed. So we're gonna call him or should we swap? We could swap give them a little more time. All right. Ross pearson. Retired all the best to him. One of the pioneers of UK MMA. So he retired last Monday karleena Koehler Keva versus Alexa, Grosso has been added to you see two thirty eight in. Chicago that's June eighth. They had that seasonal press conference on Friday in Atlanta up the stars of the whole darn thing. We're pseudo Sudas gimmick right now where he keeps reminding us that he's an Olympic champion Olympic gold medalist is just phenomenal. I hope he keeps it up Ben aspirin. I thought was great even though his opponent Horry. Mas. Widow was not there. And fortunately, no, John Jones. He was under the weather. They said, but Santos was there. And how about Anthony Smith? I asked him about Luke rock holds comments on this show a couple of weeks ago, and holy smokes. If it was up to me after hearing that why don't we just do Luke rock hold versus Anthony Smith on July sixth and then do young block wits versus Alexander Gustafsen on June. First who would hate that? Honestly. I mean that was just an incredible promo. If there ever was one. It was amazing. Did you hear what he said about about Rockall and see what the punch a hole in them? And you'd fight him tomorrow on one leg he really does. Not like, Luke rock, hold Anthony Smith and Rachael seems to have no respect for Anthony Smith. I wanna see them. Switch it just switch it. Just call. The audible who would care who would be upset everyone in Stockholm is buying tickets for gusts of sin. He's the main draw there, and what an addition to international fight week that card on July six if you do Smith versus rock old. There's legit heat there. The Jit heat. Anyway, that was great. And also, I asked Inuit about Brock Lester, and he said that it's not a done deal. I never reported by the way that it was a done deal. Just for the record. I said that's what they want which they've been open about. That's what he wants Brock wants. But I never said it was done deal. All this talk. That is fake news and said it was done deal. That's what they want. So the working on it. Anyway, let's go to our next guest standing by joining us via FaceTime head coach for the new UFC interim, which the great Mike Brown there. He is just landed use land Mike fresh off the plane literally a couple of minutes late. But we're here where are you right now? You're in the airport. Yeah. Well, honored airport just landed just chilling doing this interview with us. Happy to be here. This is still smiling Saturday. Okay. Great. Well, let's go to the beginning here, by the way. Congratulations the team. When did you first start working with Emporia? Do you recall two thousand twelve the first fight was Jonathan? Brooklyn's? Okay. And when you first met him compared to who he is today and how he fights today. How big of a change how big of an improvement. Would you say? I mean, I don't know how I can put it in numbers or measurements. But it's pretty damn big. I mean, he's he was always a super talented guy. You know, both physically and mentally. But he's he he's come a lot in both in both parts as mental game is increased dramatically and physically he's changed quite a bit. Also. Okay. So I'm happy that you highlighted the mental game because I feel like maybe he was always destined to be the bridesmaid. It seemed like when he got the big flayed for whatever reason he couldn't get over that hump. How did you turn them into this kind of mentally strong fighter? What did you guys do? Well, I can't take credit for his success. But I will say I mean, the big thing was he he's always been a monster and super talented. I think one of the biggest changes came after the Michael Johnson side, you know, like. He's so he's so. Talented. He hit so hard with old hands. But also conditioning is really really phenomenal. And he usually did he didn't get to show that off because normally he would run out there and try to knock the dude senseless a minute or two, right? And and that would work four out of five times. But if he slows it down and a little more careful and protects himself a little better. The winning percentage goes ways way, you know, nine out of ten ten ten now, you know, it's like because he doesn't he keeps his power in both ends for for twenty five minutes. There's no reason to go out there and get into a crazy firefight in in the first minute. As you were preparing for this fight when you found out about this fight and the build up to this flight. How confident were you that you guys would come out on top? Because it seemed like all the experts were picking Holloway Holloway. I believe was a slight favorite going in by the time. The you know, the books were closed. How confident were you heading into it? I was confident in your honestly like I mean, I have a ton of respectful Holloway Holloway's study. He's a. You know, one of the pound best has been for long time. But twenty five minutes is a long time to being there at Dustin. I feel it's like he's going to get to you at one point. You know, he that's a long time to be dodging his bullets. He hits very hard with both hands. And. Yeah. I just thought he would he would he would hurt him at some point. I was actually surprised. Max took so many hard shots kid is incredible. As his coach. And I couldn't agree with you. And and it seemed to me as the pictures here. There was a bigger size advantage than I was expecting like I thought this would be the fight where max Holloway finally come to the conclusion that he's better off as a lightweight at least right now at twenty seven I feel like you should actually go back to one forty five because there was a big size advantage or disadvantage for him. Did you did you expect that as well? You could see that. I couldn't tell much much aside max little taller Dustin was, you know, look thicker and muscular thought, but I mean, I could see definitely power edge. But I kind of see that. A lot with Dustin. I mean, it's very hard. And it doesn't go away. He's gonna hit hard for twenty five minutes as far as what he did in there. And as far as you being his head coach, what were you most proud of in terms of executing the game plan? What you guys at worked on? What were some of the highlights of the fight for you from your eyes? For me. It was the the most he was ever listened and was receptive to coaching while like in there. I don't always see that from him. He's very instinctual fighter. A lot of times. He just goes in there. And does his thing. Killer be killed. And it's used the guy that goes down. But. But. Many many times you you hear the call. And he would he would immediately try it. And it was working the south. They were calling was was working. And it was it was cool to see that, you know. Did you talk to him about this before the fed? Like, hey, I need you to listen to me more. I need you be more receptive to my coaching. Or is this just something that happened? I mean, that's something that, you know. Myself. Dia who's a major part of his game pit bull. I mean, we've all been doing this. This is something we've been trying to push and it's always improving. I mean di- is is is boxing coach. And I mean that's his game, man. His hands are incredible. He's also always working his kicks and knee game with bit bull. It's he's a very well rounded guy and he's implementing. Different things all the time. His life study, you know, and he's always getting better as the story goes he actually went from his home in Louisiana to Florida before even had a fight boat. But he felt like something was coming. He desperately wanted that shot at the title. He was blowing up Dana White's phone, and so I'm wondering as coach like how do you stop him from either a cracking, but be peaking too soon? Because you're there you're training for you. Don't even have a fight yet. Like that must have been a tricky game in its own, right? Correct. Yeah. It's pulling them back a little bit. Pulling back on the reins. You. Don't go hard every day. Sometimes it's just about you know, being being in there working on stuff. You know, you don't have to kill yourself all the time. When you're in there just to steady progress, you know, trying trying to get better every day, but we don't need to destroy bodies doing. I think that's the big difference. He, but it was it was a couple times in the camp where we had to pull him back to rest him because he was there for thirteen weeks, and especially with a big fight on your mind. You can't help. But but push very hard. Have you seen the fight back? Have you watched the replay? I did I did. I watched it back that night actually excited to watch it again. It was incredible fight. I mean, max Holloway's stud, and it was thing beauty. Yeah. It really was those two flights in particular like coming back toback was emotional almost to watch them, especially live. How did you score? It. You know? What's funny? I chatted with you about it. Like just after the fight. And after looking kind of went down like I thought I thought he won the first two. And I thought those are very clear he had heard him bad in both of them the second around maybe max was controlling it for maybe three and a half four minutes with a little more volume. But then he got hurt bad at the end of the second. So it was clearly he was up to then I thought Dustin got out worked in third. And then I thought he he won the force. But it was close by thirty one. I thought bad judge could give it to to max. And you kind of kind of score it like that always think. Well, you know, we wonder lost that round. But but was it close enough where they can screw it up. And it was close enough. We could screwed up. So I thought we still had to win the fifth. I thought he won the fifth. So I thought we won four one. But I knew maybe we might see three two, but it came down like I thought, and then I looked back into scorecards and all three judges had it just like that. The they all gave max third evening Mogomedov thought it was a draw. So. I don't know how we scored. How did you have? I thought the exact same as you. I can't even I don't understand how we can get to draw because that would mean there had been a ten eight and their right to be a draw because there's five rounds. So I don't see where the Tenny comes from maybe his mining at a ten ten somewhere or something. But that's a unicorn you never see ten tents right now, of course. But I just think. I knew he was going to get one of those rounds four or five I thought I thought he went both of them. But I'm like, there's no ways. I thought also a bad judge could give them all sides. You know, the third round was semi close. I thought matched one it. But you know, a badge could also have five zero dusting anything in particular out of the ordinary. I'm always curious about this. We just talked to about it that you said to him going into the fifth sometimes in those those final moments that your together going into the last round of championship fight, you go to a different place. You talk about something else to put them in the right mindset to to, you know, put an exclamation point on the performance anything out of the ordinary that you were called telling him in those final moments. The only thing different, you know, five minutes when this round in your world champ. So that's heavy words. This is what this is his dream. And it's been his his goal from from the time I've known him. And and he's been clear about it. He's not in it for for second place. And it's it's all or nothing with him. And he's made the sacrifices. It's beautiful to see a beautiful moment. And it's the fact that chokes along road the hard road that he is the. The guy who took the second most amount of flights ever to get there. I only this thing has fought more time to get to that title. So it's. Is beautiful to see somebody's hard work finally pay off. And it's his motivation is pure and. It's just a beautiful thing. I couldn't agree more. It seems like everyone is so happy for him. And maybe it's because max already has title. So it's not all lost for him. He gets his title dusting gets his tight on like you said what a road it has been twenty two fights. It takes for him to get that UFC title shot and to win that built and the emotion that he showed afterwards. I mean, all of it was just so beautiful. And I wonder if for you guys do you feel and I know that like I almost hate that we have to ask this and harp on it. But does it feel like he's a champion or do you feel like okay this just secures? Our spot to fight the champion. How do you view that belt because it isn't interim title, but to me it feels like a world title because he'd be the world champion. Okay. Okay. Who is the world champ? This is not like. He beat a guy who's. You know, I I don't know ranked nine in the way class. So if you the guy who's a world champion hasn't lost for however, many fights he's one of the pound for pound best. It was. To me. It was it was very fulfilling and. I'm happy with it could be by. We'll be we'll be exciting. That's another world champ. This is this is big stuff, man. This is four four fights in a row or dozens. A world champion or former world champion. Yeah. With with Eddie Alvarez with with Pettus with gateway and now with Matt's guys are world champions. I mean, he's he's beating superstars and they're all fight of the night. Fight of the year candidates, right? He's pfizer. Incredible. This is this is special. This is a special guy. It's one of the great war fight stretches and UC history and be honest with me, did you see this? Did you see this coming when you first met him going into that broken? Did you think he could turn into this? Duties? I did man. He's. See he's got some gifts. He's it's there's a lot of mental. And there's some there's some I think genetics our factor. And he's got all he's got everything that he needs. Man. You got the drive, and he's got he's got this credible credible punching power and incredible gas tank, and and I always say this. I think the gas tank is the most important attribute can have as a fighter cardio was king. And with without that, it's difficult in these in these long sites in five rounds fights with world class guys. I mean, anyone can win a one minute to minute by anybody can write. But these these five minute wars with with stunts with world class fighters, you need to have a very good Gaston world class and. His is good as it gets. How about this sequence? After the fight. He says, quote, I've been saying it all week to her my wife, my management and my team that in the words of teddy. Atlas I knew I had twenty five minutes to make life nothing. And then how about teddy? Atlas tweeting that did you see that what he wrote? He's adulation. The word champion was created for people. Like you. That's teddy. Atlas legend teddy atlas that as a coach yourself that has to be pretty darn cool to see that recognition from him. Very cool. I've heard quotes from Dustin for you bit. You know, he's follows Teddy's a big boxing fan. And and those. Those words were compelling to him. Those those men something and. He he feels them people any any believes in that. He made it happen. You know, it did matter who who was in front of him. He knew he could he could punch his way to to a better life punches way to world championship. Now, you know, very, well, Mike, your former fighter this is a crazy game. Are you one hundred percent confident that he will get Habib next and September. Yeah. I mean. I couldn't see anything. Besides that. You know? I mean unless there's barring injury, right, right? Just the politics. You know, people sliding in there taking the spot. We've see I mean, look no further than Kobe Covington, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean that was a case where there was uninjured injury was a factor that that was the problem. But. But why wouldn't you wanna make that fight? You know, what dusted is? Dustin is the fight. Everyone wants to see this is going to be any concerns about having a fight him. Abu dhabi. You know, I think once you're in the cage. It's it's just two guys in there doesn't matter who's on the outside. I don't think that's a factor. Sometimes I think I preferred fighting on the road. I liked that. I liked the when everyone count you out. I like when the booze. You know, this is like if fires you up it makes you. You know, sometimes it's tougher when you're home and everyone thinks you're you're amazing. And you're gonna kill the guy. That's tougher. Those are you got higher standards those stand up to whatever. But when you're the underdog where everybody's count you out. I I kind of liked those those moments end, it's I think the pressure's off you can be loose, and relaxed and fight. That's my take. And I think that's the same. And that's the best one. He's points. Haven't thought he's loosened relaxed? He's going do it, man. Twenty five minutes. It's hard Dodds. Those those bullets for twenty five minutes from this kid. The flight isn't even forty eight hours old. But I'm wondering if you've already started to think about Habib and a path to victory and had to beat this, man. He's undefeated. He's lost maybe one round in his career. Maybe to have you ready started to find the fact that you're thinking about him and how to beat them. Of course, man. I'm I'm not a student of the game. I love the sport on the fan. I'm always watching studying stakes for for many reasons, and I've always thought about how dozens match up with this guy because I know venture. It's going to happen. I know he's coming. He's going to the top. And he's going to be there. Eventually these fights are going to happen. We'll be ready you like the matchup for for Dustin. Yeah. It's a different puzzle to citing puzzle. But got a lot of weapons. He's dangerous on the feed these dangerous on the ground. And most importantly, he's he's in there for five. He's gonna go Hart five what is the difference? Mike, and I'll let you go after this you want the WC title. One of the great performances, and you had your run. But now, you're creating champions. You're the coach you're seeing fighters live out their dreams, and you're there from the beginning helping to mould them as they come to the gym. And I don't mean to. I mean, of course, let's give credit to Tim crater and his team back in Louisiana. But I think AT helped take us into a whole other level. I do say so myself, and I consider you one of the top five coaches, maybe top three in the game right now, you're doing credible work. But for you to see those men and women realize their dreams as opposed to when you did it yourself. What is the difference? Can you even compare the satisfaction that you got from? Then compared to now is one greater than the other. How would you describe that? No, it's beautiful. I couldn't imagine anything greater that. I could be doing my life right now, you know, with what works to meet the dream. You know, it's it's my life study is my passion and just to see. My friends 'cause they're also like one of my very close friends, you know, one of my best friends. So to see kids like dream, come true and changes life, forever changes family's life forever. It's like brings us to my eyes. It's it's just there's no words that can describe it. Amen. Yeah. I think on Saturday that moment outta sign is moment with his family afterwards in his coach for me. At least reminds us again, why we love the sport so much and why we think it's the greatest sport on earth. Congratulations to you and Dustin and the rest of the team. It's really just amazing to see what you've become as a coach Mike, and I really appreciate you doing this literally seconds off of the plane over there. That's that's really cool to do. Thank you so much. I love it. Thanks so much. So much on her. I love I love your show love what you've done. Thank you. Mike Mike Brown head coach for one dust Emporia. What a great moment that was. And also if you follow Dustin on on social media great moment with his daughter at home yesterday where she's talking about his booze and all that on his eye for those asking. Of course, I asked us to come on the show today. But he said he wanted a day off with his family hoping to have mon- next week. So so yes, I see what you're saying. But I mean the guy deserves a day off. All right. I would love to have him on but days offer, very understandable as well. So congratulations to him the whole team Mike Brown the whole team at American top team. It's it's a really great story. And I was happy to witness it in person. Now, let us move along to our next guest. I'm really excited about this. I know a lot of you are as well. In a matter of seconds. We are going to be joined by right now the most decorated wrestler from the great country known as the US avai. He is a four time world champion. He is a former Olympic gold medalist from the two thousand twelve game. He is a multi. Time all American back in the day university in multiple time national champion this man is a beast. He is the face of American wrestling and on may six he'll be competing at the beat the streets event here in New York City. Well, a couple of hours from here in New York City at the Hulu theater attached to Madison Square Garden, he'll be going up against our guy. Ben aspirin in a dream match of sorts at seventy nine kilograms. It will be Jordan Burroughs against Ben aspirin. Wow. And freestyle exhibition wrestling match, this is exciting stuff. And now we are being joined by wrestling royalty Jordan Burroughs, aka all I see is gold. How are you my friend? I'm doing well. Then aerial thanks for having me on your show. I've been a big fan for a long time. Appreciate it. Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot. This is great. This is a real honor for us. Thank you for doing it. I know you're very busy. So I really appreciate the time. So let's let's start with how this came about. Because when I broke the news last week the wrestling community, everyone even casual wrestling fans like whoa, Jordan. Everyone knows Jordan Burroughs. If you aren't a wrestling person, everyone knows who you are. And of course, everyone in made knows Ben how did this match come about? Well, been preceded me in my wrestling career. He was an Olympian in two thousand eight at the same way class at I compete at now. And I was the Olympia in that followed him and twenty twelve of London. And so I think that this has been something that's been imminent. Everyone is wanted to happen for such a long period of time. But when he made a transition MA a lot of people that he had a lot of wrestling left within and he's dabbled with the sport a little bit in the past. And he's really cool things to enhancing grow the reputation that wrestlers have in the US in general. And so I think once a match was on the table like, okay? Let's create a awesome matchup that people can get behind excited about who. Can this guy? Be individual can really generate a move the needle and create buzz that we need in the wrestling community. Ben was guy and he's always willing to elevate his brand and put something on the line. So it's a it's cool to see. I'm glad that he accepted the challenge. And it's going to be a great match have you ever? Competed against them in any way, shape or form. No, Ben is a few years older than me. So when I was a freshman in college, Ben was a senior in college. Right. So he was the man when I was coming up. I was a young book. I wasn't at this elite level and status that I'm at this point in time. So I watched him and allies him he was an icon in our sport. And so then when I started to come into my own established, my when identity I'm like, man, I think I could beat this guy this guy. So this is the first time that will ever get exchange to compete we've rolled around a little bit. But this is the first time that legitimate official matchup with referees and fans and excitement. And that there's something alive sort of be cool. Okay. But you have trained together, right? Yeah. We rolled around who gets the better of who. I'm gonna wait till may six. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag too soon. Okay. It's not fair. I get a lot of respect for Ben. I think he's a I wonder how prepared like I would've what he's doing right now. 'cause he's ingrained so tightly into the UFC culture. And I know he has a fight coming up. But I wonder how he's preparing for this. Because it presents a unique match my impression is he's taking his very seriously. He's training for this. Like, it's a it's a flight like his is his current career fighting. Are you doing that? Because I know you have world championships coming up as well. Yeah. Well, I'm always training hard. I'm always prepared him. Always ready for any opponents on preparing for the very best wrestlers in the world. So that's why going into this match within the state of Ben is in a great wrestler. But I'm preparing for the most elite guys in the world Russia as John Iran. And so this is I don't want to call it a novelty or any showmanship. But when I go out there to compete, I compete to win in this is different Ben reach out to me last night. And you know, if you follow his career, he likes to ruffle feathers. He likes to get under his skin. He hasn't done that to be though, he had so much respect for that. He's like wisened, let's just compete. Let's have a good time took typically like follow him. What Twitter so he gets into people's heads and under their skin vote for me has thrown any shots at me, which I appreciate and respect. But because I think he knows. Thing is to happen because he told me don't even try. He goes, I know you like to stir the pot don't even try to stir the pot because I have the most respect for him. And none of that is coming out of my mouth. I was like come on band. There's got to be something. They're really nothing. You got nothing to likewise. Really? And Likewise, I have I have a ton of respect for Ben as well. But it's gonna be fun, bro. Like, I'm so excited for this event. This is one of the first time a long time that I think that nontraditional wrestling fans are getting excited and behind a wrestling match up. Dislike seeing some of the tweets from earlier today. Like who is this all I see gold guy who's joining broS wise, he on the show, but I think that after watching me compete because essentially when you think about the champions in the right now a lot of our former wrestlers extremely well. You have see and then you look at take down to fence takedown offense. How important it is to have a solid ground game. And how herald it being a quality wrestler is in the UFC community. So then you step outside. The UFC into Lee Olympic level wrestling, and you see that as good as guys UFC are still another level to that. And that's the one that we are on myself. David Taylor cow day. Cal Snyder all of these guys. And so it's good, man. I appreciate this platform in the opportunity to do this. But you know, I'm doing it for the wrestlers. Is there a part of you also that feels like I mean, obviously, you wanna test yourself against them. There's a great back story there. But as you know, it always seems like wrestling is kind of in the shadows in combat sports sports in general, we know about the saga with the Olympics. It's in its out you feel like this is kind of stuff that wrestling needs to do to attract the casual fan, and that's part of the motivation to do this as well. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I know everyone knows in appreciation respect spin. And what he's done they appreciate him because not only equality fighter. But because of his background in wrestling the nontraditional wrestling fan, here's Olympia two-time champion two-time hot show fy winner. Like, wow. This guy was amazing. He still has a shot. He's been out a game for a long time. But he's got a shot. And that's also that's exciting. And I think that is necessary for this sport to continue to thrive. I try to be job lasers often as possible. So we can step out of that niche group of fans and out of that misfit representation really step into the spotlight and people say, hey, listen wrestling is really cool as well. We have a lot of common in common Jordan tonight because first of all share the same birthday July eighth. My man, let's go cancers have respect a Buffalo Bills fan. I what you from buffalo. No. But I just love the bills get out of here. I have him on mobile. That might that's crazy. My my so my wife's unconfirmed Thomas what? And so. Yes, there Thomas's. No way like family, we call Monka therm. He's not even. Thurman Thomas number thirty four thirty four. What I've been to a ton of bills games. I've hung out with Bruce Smith and come on Darryl Talley. And all these guys yet. We we went to his retirement party game. He's family wait Bill fan through and through before you met your wife know by sociation. I was actually a Broncos fan before I met my wife, then yes, I got a chance to speak with a coach McDermott in the rest of the bills team training camp last year like like grain, I love the bills, bro. I'm a big dose fan next time you go. Now, we have each other's numbers. You know, don't be a stranger. All right. Yep. -solutely bre wanted out that I know that that Thurman went to DC's flight when he fought in buffalo the to Oklahoma state guys. Yeah. He's a big fan. They had they had a moment there. But I had no idea. That's incredible. Okay. So we share that in common, you're thirty. You're about to turn thirty one. But you're still for the for the uninformed. You're still actively competing in wrestling. Correct. This is your full tomato. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so anyone who thinks that I'm detracting from what Ben's doing equally? So I'm going away from stepping away from what I'm doing as an athlete as a competitor. Because we are preparing for I'm actually competing this weekend. I'm headed to Ueno's Aires Argentina tomorrow competed dependent championships on Sunday. And so a lot of stuff going on right now we got the world team trials in June world championships in Kazakhstan September. And then obviously the next Olympic Games in Tokyo Japan next summer two thousand twenty so I'm right in the thick of it as well. I know he has a lot of things coming up. But as do I so that's why feel like we're equally putting something on the line. So people can disapprove respect what we're both doing for for both of our respective sports. He's a wrestler. He's a fighter. And this is this is going to be fun. And so part of my ignorance 'cause I'm used to the fight game. Obviously, do you get paid to these events. Are are you paid by the event or you pay by the a lot a lot less a lot less than what you guys get paid. And see. But I that's I think that's why a lot of former wrestlers make that transition, right? Because does not very lucrative sport that were involved in if you're a wrestler, and you do it at this high of a level, you do it for the glory and the honor of considering yourself one of the toughest guys of the world. And so when I hear people say innovates sport in the world or him as the best in the world. That's how I feel about wrestling and more. So because you don't get as much recognition or fame. You don't have celebrities ringside, you don't get to compete in Vegas. You don't get to make hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars per fight dependent upon your status is so think about all those things that those guys do to compete and now right? Kind of negate a lot of luxuries that you guys get that's what you have in wrestling. And so. It's a sport that I've grown to love. And I really appreciate but yes, fun, man. I'm I'm in the thick of it. And I have an appreciation for the UFC to have been a big fan for a long time of west a lot of my former teammates and friends and peers go onto basic things at the at the enact got. So it's really cool. We'll get a second. But I'm just curious. You are going to try out for the twenty twenty team creek. Yes. That's the goal. That's the best for me. And and is that like do you have a an age where you're going to stop competing do? No. Or you haven't decided yet on? That's a good question. I don't know. I'd say wrestlers primes are probably around the time. Most guys don't Russell pass thirty to thirty to thirty. And then I look at the F C, right? I see guys really started getting to themselves find themselves athletically at this age thirty two to thirty four years old. So I don't know. I don't know, bro. I've considered a lot of options released something I have to sit down with after sit down with my family after two thousand twenty and say, hey, listen. How do I feel would I wanna live? Do I want to continue to compete my still hungry? I still love it. There are a lot of intangibles that are going to go into factor in whether I decide to continue wrestling NASA. We'll see what are the chances that you fall in the footsteps of many great American restaurants. And eventually move over to. I listen. I would love to I would love to. I just wanna fight one time. That's it. Oh, I won't want fight. Okay. Just want one fight. Because like for me, it's not about the status not about the glorious not about the money. Like, I just wanted to throw my hands and see what I made of. And I think that wrestlers and fighters had that same fighting spirit is a spirit about you that it's a such a beautiful art form in which you can implement strategy in order to subdue another individual. And I really feel like that's wrestling UFC were kinda we collaborate in that way. And I've always thought about it. I've considered it when I was young. I was like with some bone flight. I wanna be star. I'm gonna fight. And then as I got better at this sport. And I started to become an icon in what I was doing like manna. Can't wrestling wrestling world leads me. I'm great at this people love me ice fire generations of people. And so I thought about it. I consider I don't know if I'm really going to do it. But I've considered doing just wanna fight in getting getting out with my hands. Clean. I don't wanna get punched and beat up. Like if you lose a wrestling match, you get taken down. Right. You might get put to your bag or push of bounds. You as a fight. You got choked out sums broken, right? You got knocked out is rough is rough existence. I've never had to go to the hospital after competition in wrestling. So it's a different game in may will allow I've first of all I'm shocked that you never had to go to the hospital once in your entire incredible career that's impressive in its own. Right. But I'm not I'm getting a little Tinley here. Jordan Burroughs Emma may fight to me is a big deal. Just one just one one one by one fight deal. The guy out in ten seconds. And you're like this. What if I knock him out of I don't like this? Well, I tend to be a positive thing before done. You're saying right now, you will have at least one MMA fight. Oh, no. I can't make any promises. I'm saying I consider it depends on what the offer was likened who my opponent was I consider. But I don't know, man. I. If it's intriguing is definitely treating. I think every wrestler has thought about it for a period of time. I'm so comfortable with my dentist as wrestler that if I never fought it wouldn't bother me one bit. But I'm also such a competitor that I've considered it for a long period of time. Like man, what about just one? We'll get. I do good. I let my hands fly put someone out. So we'll see I talked to my wife about it. He's probably shaking her head listening right now. I I feel like within five minutes of sangha by Scott Coker is gonna call you and put you on that training camp program and to anyone would be smart enough. You now have you ever actually sparred have you ever gone punched in the face? Never. Okay. So I don't know what it feels like because sometimes guys don't like it. Right. Once it happens. But I mean, I've gotten I've had things done to me right within a wrestling manage though, like, I don't think is considerably different. Like, I honestly don't think is considerably different. I seen guys in the wrestling room. Break mentally. In guys that I didn't think were super tough going to be extremely amazing fighters. So like, I think my mental toughness in my athletes ISM in my physical prowess. I'd be successful. If I decided to fight no matter. What have you talked to any of the guys who have made the transit the DC's of the world events of the world. Have you talked. I have talked to DC quite a bit. Oh, man. See hold him out on me. He never told me about this yet. He actually invited me out to be on his show last year on the ultimate fighter in so yet. DC's awesome guy, man. He's an awesome guy. He he. He he's kinda that hand he's at facilitator between wrestling in MMA world. He's done a great job keeping his hand. Wrestling, always reaching out being like, a big, brother. Sean love to me. But yet he like when I talked to him about yell wits. Like, what's the difference? Like, what do you feel as it users it harder any says like it's considerably easier, and maybe because these seeds such an amazing athlete that him moving up to heavyweight. He just the way he moves the type of things that he's been through the structure of life that he's had his is just different. I that's one thing. That's great for wrestlers is because we've started from a young age most people don't do their individual disciplines from such young age. I started wrestling at five years old. I my first classes forty five pounds. I've been wrestling for almost twenty five years, right? I went to the structure of high school. I went to division one university with the best oscilloscopes in amazing coaching staff and went through the structure of being individual program for five years. So it's easy. For me to always make weight always be on time. Live life integrity train at my highest level. Give one hundred percent effort. Stay. Say clean with the things that I put into my body. I think that's just part of the spirit of what we've arrived from what we've been built from for wrestlers status while we're so successful. And so I'm wondering I remember you put out the tweet prior to the Habib Connor fight about saying like, oh, you'd help Conor prepare did anything ever happened. There. Was there ever any talks about you helping Connor prepare for that fight? No. I've never met Conor. Okay. Never met Conor Roe. But the cool thing about is like this matchup presented mazing opportunity for me. Because a lot of people consider been asking probably one of the best wrestlers in all of the UFC. And so if I go out there and put the hammer on Ben asking right people understand like there's levels to this wrestling game. So anyone who's looking to become a better wrestler in that middle to welterweight division? I'm the guy to come see. Right. So like if if you're anywhere from one hundred forty five to a hundred and eighty five pounds, and you wanna get better at wrestling. And you see the status in the level of which we are competing at then you wanna come and see the best like. That got. And so I think this presents a pretty cool opportunity for me, but they never reached out to to help prepare. No, no, I've never met on her that was complete fabrication. I don't even know where that came from like, they're like, yo Davies stranding counter. Like, oh, that's news. To me. I found out the same way you guys down by tweeted to me. I had no idea. I'm like, I'm training for the world championships myself. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to beat Russia on my own. I'm not trying to help him beat Russia. That is well has any enemy fighter ever reach out to to help them. I mean, you got your own that has had a couple of guys that reach out. Never come to fruition. It hasn't. It has just it just hasn't worked out for me because I've got my own career my own thing that I'm doing. But I probably the guy that I've wrestled with most in Emam as massad Becca. He actually lives in Nebraska. So when he's not training with fierce up in a believes trained in Florida, and he does stuffing Canada's well, but we've rolled around a couple of times. And so yet, he's pretty solid. Okay. So you're leaving to Sarah's this weekend. That's the penny games and one of the world championships. They are timber. We got. Okay. So so it's PanAm then it's asking anything between the aspirin match in the world championships. Are you spend the rest of that time preparing for the world championships Woolsey draws we got to meet the team, bro. Okay. There's there's just like there's no roster. You gotta make that you got to compete the make the team every single season. So there'll be a world team trials in the world championships in next year. They'll be Olympic trials and the Olympic Games. And so basically the trials are disa- tournament at every way class the winner that tournament goes on to represent the United States America at the games or the world championships. Wow. That's amazing. What when the that we and you're in the the Olympic training center right now. Correct. I'm in Colorado Springs, as we speak, and what are you gonna dorm or something? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Humble living, bro. You should've mentioned there. I'm out here grinded. That's how you stay tough. That's how you stay tough. I liked the grittiness that occurs when I'm here. And I would imagine you're relationship with USA wrestling, and the USOC's, I know Ronda Rousey spoken about how she has not the best feelings now that she's out of that system. It seems like the experience has been good for you. Yes. Good, man. It's good. They've always treated me. Well, and I've always earned that respect because of my performances in the way that you people, but they've always amazing job and Jimmy with outra suspecting giving me status in terms of helping to elevate my brand connect sponsors into care, my family, they've done it amazing job. I'm always happy to be a part of USOC you'll say wrestling. Well, I'm happy to talk to for the first time. This has been great Jordan. I like the fact that I read and critically from wrong. I like the fact that a pro wrestling is what got you into this kind of wrestling correctly. You are big macho back in the day huge wrestling fan huge wrestling fan. When I was a kid like, I'm talking we had all the action figures, we the ring we had faked belts. Like every time. We go to target when we were kids we go straight to the aisle that they had all the yell the represent. We see what's new ones. They had like how to get this one. And we play video games raw smackdown. Like, we make our own characters might fight each other in the crib jumping off the top of bunk beds, dropping elbows on people's heads. Like we were into we were into when I was a kid. It was it was awesome. That that's incredible. Would you consider that? Or you're you're you're not as into that right now. I'm not as because that's more like that's acting. Right. Like, I I'm a competitor. Like I'd like to compete. I don't want someone to determine the status of my match before I get out there to compete, and it's fun to watch. I actually took my son to a Thursday night smackdown that they hadn't Lincoln a few years ago of us a bit confused like what is this? But it's fun. And I'm a big fan of it. And I've always appreciated it. So is something I was enjoying his I always hold it near dear to my heart is towel. I guess started in the sport, Jordan. I wish you the best. Good luck this weekend. Good luck on may six. Good luck making the team world championship Olympic team. All that and more. This has been great. I really appreciate the time. Yeah. Absolutely one more thing before we go beat the streets is in amazing organization that is run through all of the boroughs of New York City that helps to get kids off the streets in interesting rooms in give them the opportunity to enhance their lives through sport of wrestling. So this is their biggest fundraiser and not only do we have the match between me and been asking. But a lot of great matches between the US team. And college superstars, and so it's going to be a ton of fun making tune in may six six PM eastern time is going to be an amazing event area. Thank you again for having me, it's been on it. Thank you so much, Jordan. We'll talk to soon all the best to you is there. Now, speaking of wrestling make. Sure that you guys check out ESPN's pro wrestling podcast cheap. Eat with the great, Peter Rosenberg. You could find it every week in the apple podcast app Spotify or anywhere else. You listen to your podcasts, and I will give out. Some more information here on beat the streets. NYC courtesy of that great organization. It is a youth development organization that serves three thousand five hundred male and female athletes across the five boroughs. We supply them with tutoring mentor ship, internships and elite wrestling sports training in hopes to better prepare them for life and realize their full potential over eighty percent of the kids come from low income broken homes with little opportunities to succeed, we help them. Get access to a better life through our programs, the grapple at the garden event raises money for organization, it is made six as we said it starts at six pm with the USA world team versus college division one Allstars as they told me here they are selling out. So people should go to the website right now to buy ticket packages and general tickets through the TicketMaster link on the site. You can get tickets over BT S N Y dot org. That's WWW BT S N Y dot org. So that's Jordan Burroughs was born on the same days me eighth. But in one ninety eight I didn't know Jordan Burroughs is married to Thurman Thomas niece. That's the most credible thing. I've ever heard. And how about that one? Emma may fight for jerk. Jordan Burroughs before it's all said and done if I was Bela Tor who you know, famously paid. Arron PICO, right? They paid iron PICO to be part of their little training camp. If you will they pay them for two years. I would do that. Twenty twenty Olympic Games are not this summer twenty s not this summer next summer. I would do that one hundred percent. Put them on a little salary. Give him a my monthly stipend, and maybe twenty twenty one Jordan Burroughs make his debut for you guys say, you know, what will give you one fight. Just get them in the system. Get his feet wit get them through training camp. And then see what happens. That'd be huge. Okay. Thank you very much a Jordan Burroughs. Now, there is a mea culpa from me. So I screwed up. I think in Australia. They change the clocks in Australia. What is going on? For sunday. April was at the first Sunday April was that two Sundays ago. God when I looked up the time. So this is the thing as of told you guys before I always feel very guilty. When I asked the Australian fighters or New Zealand fighters to come on when they're home. Of course is he was in Atlanta when we spoke to him, but when they're actually home because of the drastic time difference between here and. And Australia here in New Zealand, and they're always very kind. They're always very gracious with their time. Whether it's rubber Whitaker. Mark hunt outspoken off ski is right a son. Yeah. All these people. Always so gracious with their time. The math gets a little confusing for me, and on this particular case, I screwed up the math. And because we changed our clocks. They changed their clocks. I screwed up. The math and I'm an hour off. So it's currently six oh two or three now. Six three clutches changed. Right. As those tiny six three in Sydney. And I told. Robert whitaker. Seventy AM one hour off. And that means there's a very good chance that sleepy right now. And that means that I feel horrible and that this is going to bother me for the next week. And so what I've asked is if we can reach out, but I feel horrible though, we're reaching out. But but he said his team tells me that he wakes up early because he has kids could we could we vamp for for ten minutes. This is gonna kill me inside a piece of me will die if we don't get this. But I also understand because it's technically my mistake. If we can all just put our positive thoughts into some way, somehow rubber wood Kerr has to wake up get a glass of water. Let the dog out. I don't know brush his teeth get trysts get ready, even even by the way. Even if it's not a Skype or face. I just a phone call just just a five minute condo just thought on Mr. outta Sonya. And the magnitude of that fight, I feel horrible. I mean, I the whole thing happened earlier with Khalil now this God. No, you got him. Oh my God. Corporate just told me on him. I feel so bad. I wanna crawl to a ball right now. I don't know if you guys know this about me, but I'm very sensitive. I I wear my emotions on my sleeve, and I get very sensitive. But I can't believe it. I can't believe we actually got him. This is huge. This is one of the great moments in history of the show. Okay. I'm gonna talk freer required Lee because I don't want to wake them up. But in a matter moment, I think according to corporate Jake, can you see the sweat pouring out of my nose. It's all shiny. That's how nervous I am. I thought you said it was freezing in there. Well, right now, I'm sweating because I'm very nervous. I feel so bad. I will be able to overlook rubber would occur in the face because I screwed up. This is on me when it's on someone else. I will call them out and tell them base crude up this one hundred percent screw up. I have the proof. But I hope that we'll be joined by him. In a matter of moments him being rubber occur, the reigning defending UFC, midway champions, this setting up. One of the biggest fights in the history of the sport in a stadium. Oh my God. We're going to do them on the phone and five minutes. Did you say that to the world or just to meet corporate, Jake K corporate, Jake just told me breaking news? Breaking colon will do on the phone in five minutes. That's what he said was he upset tummy was upset. Oh my God. Corporate said, he's unsure I never know if he's talking to me on the air off the air. So I have to repeat is this on the air. We will get him at five minutes. Oh there. He is. I could tell a difference. But he wouldn't tell me if he's annoyed. Anyway, while we're waiting couple of the things I wanted to get to before we'll say Hello to the champion here. I hope will say Hello to the champion. Couple of other performances Nikita Krilov great performance on Saturday avenging that loss to p. And it was a fight that happened five years ago. He lost von flue choke. Now, he comes back and wins via RNC that was a precedent for Makita Krilov. How about his to punt Toyota shunned today pun toys, ya with the big win over Wilson Hayes, again, I'd like to think proving that. The flyweight should stick around. But alas, I digress. Brannon Davis had the big win Dwight grant with a with a squeaker if you will be Siegel KBC sequel with the squeaker against Allen show. Bam. I think Alan had had a case for that. Maybe. Should've gone his way close one. But he was very fired up typically not fired up. How about the you have C giving to fight of the night awards instead of performance bonuses? I thought in the end it was the right call the Komeda event between guests send you got one fifty thousand each and then the main event between this deport IMAX hallway, and I would like to see Holloway go down to forty five. Now again, it didn't work out. I commend him for moving up. They're did seem to be. He's very young. He's still twenty-seven, but they're did seem to be a size advantage or disadvantage there for him advantage for dust Emporia. And especially if Alex can off ski wins on may eleventh algebra can off ski beats shows a Aldo on may eleventh. How'd you deny him shot at max hallway? I mean, I just don't I just don't see how anyone else I know Frankie Eggers out there, Frankie Edgar has fought in a year isn't fought since April last year, meanwhile will can off skew's beating Mendez he would have been shows. Although I just I have a hard time. Have a hard time. Not giving him the nod their civil can off ski versus Holloway would be a really fun fight. But I do think hallway should go down. You may have seen. We spoke about it a little bit with with Dominick Cruz. But TJ dillashaw has come out. He has talked about his his mistake. You saw two did announce that he tested positive for EPO, which is essentially blood-doping if you don't usually listen to my other podcasts, which comes out on Wednesday. It's called the MA reporters. We actually had my partner chill Sunan who we co host on the bad guy together. Oh, good. Okay. Anyway. So. Anyhow got a whole lot of sorts there. Because of the whole time different thing. I'm just gonna put my anyway, focus, Jake, focus corporate, Jake, wait someone to me here. No, no. It's fine. It's fine. Don't worry about it back there. We're all good. We're all good. So. EPO blood-doping, Lance Armstrong famously was caught for chill was famously caught for it, glazed Tibo has been caught for it. And. He's going to be out for two years now. And I think that obviously the fact that he's not owning up to it is totally fine. The fact that he's he's not making excuses. What I mean, he's not he's not coming up with an alibi. He's coming up with a different stories like he's literally just sitting there and taking it. He had shoulder surgery. He's probably gonna have another one. Like, I said reporters I thought his team wasn't really doing any favors like to say like we had no idea peo-. I'm no expert when it comes to these days. But from all the conversations that have had is a very complex PD. And it's not one that you could just go and pop a pill. It's injectable it's it's a little more involved. So the idea that you know, he just kind of went into business on his own is a little surprising to me. But. I don't know if I respect the fact that they're backing him. But it seems like a bit of a stretch that you know, they wouldn't come out and. Explain a little more while he's being so honest like like TJ has offered no excuses whatsoever. He is owning up to this and you can feel differently about him. You can feel as though his legacy has been tainted you feel as though his accomplishments aren't as impressive as you once thought all those things more you can you have every right to feel that way. Unfortunately. These are the kinds of things that are hard to shake. But in our sport. If there's one thing that I've learned fans are forgiving for whatever reason in baseball, they aren't as forgiving. That's something that a lot of baseball players like Roger Clemens Barry Bonds, like Mark McGwire. Sammy Sosa a lot of them haven't been welcome back with open arms haven't been inducted into the fame when their their stats would certainly. What certainly warranted? I founded MA fans for whatever reason are lot more forgiving. And I think the first step to be forgiven is to handle it the way in which TJ has handled it, and I think it by the way, I think it helps that he is coming off a loss had he gone in there and smoke pseudo and want to titles. I do feel like weird way. The backlash would have been worse. And I also feel as though the fact that he is a champion unlike shale unlike Leisa Tibo, I think hurts him a little bit because it's very public display that you're now no longer champion or being you know, you're having the title taken away. I know he said that he voluntarily gave up the belt, but let's be honest. He would have had the title taken away. Anyway. So anyhow, I understand the reaction. Okay. Now with my tail between my legs. We'll go to our next guest. And I will say I am profusely. Sorry. Robert are you there? He might Robert. I am so sorry. This is one hundred percent on me. I got screwed up with the math. It's so confusing. I'm so dumb. I've always been bad at math. I am. So sorry for calling you saw early. I really really apologize. What about my up anyway, God, my heart? My heart is bleeding right now, Robert, but you are an absolute classic. So thank you so much for doing this. I won't waste a lot of your time. First things first, I wanna just know. How are you feeling? We heard about you getting back into the gym feeling better. You feel like you are one hundred percent. No, I'm doing great only. Great. So I'm a hundred healthy and. Yeah. Back at the gym. I'm Becca food training. And yeah, I'm I'm really looking forward to these next one. No limitations whatsoever. You feel like you can go hundred percent out there. None at all. And I guess that was a blessing of funding out the the illness that I had went on. Did you know before we could have got worse, and I had like lost time long penalties. You know? Okay. The other big question. Of course, everyone wondering did you watch the Israel to sign you're coming gas on fight on Saturday or Sunday your time? Now. Yes, what was great? It was an incredible fight as of right now. I think it's the fight of the what it's what about these interim midway title fights. But we the last one that we had with you and your Romero was phenomenal. This one was phenomenal in its own. Right. Did you think is he won the fight? You know? Yeah. Oh, you do. I think he didn't enough to win. But in saying that if if they would've awarded to kill them that not all wouldn't have disputed that all 'cause it was it was a close part. You know, I think I think he's just enough at the end in grandfather, you know, the loss frown too strong impression in the judges mind. Impressed with his performance. Because I know last time we spoke you said, you know, you weren't all that impressed with his win over Anderson Silva this time around where you more press with his performance. You know, it was definitely a more impressive than when he ended tour. I think this is both team to to draw a little bit more out of the tank a little bit more a little bit more Rupe? Hell up more hot. You can see he's ups and downs. He's Charles and oaks because he had to get over the there's the hair to get through to to make sure you lost in the far. Oh, I thought it was an amazing from from bus cars was a part of you pulling for Izzy because of the stakes because of how big your fight against him would be because of the talk of the stadium and fifty five thousand plus like, did you feel okay? This is better for me. If he wins the fight. No, really, be honest. Would it would have been happy fun in Kelvin? He's hot as well. Yeah. He's. Over at the one on. Is he was on our show earlier, and you've probably seen some of the things that he said about you. But there does seem to be some friction there between you two seems like his big issue is that when you when you see each other you to shake his hand your pleasant as you typically are. But then in interviews, you're a little more critical of him. And he doesn't seem to like that. What is your response to some of the things that he has said about you in the post by press conference in the build up to this last fight? I'm gonna say like why don't understand why this going to ROY what I've said the only critical of innocent of that was that all think he's as good as he sees. So you think that how you want? But if I sound like I'm talking on your back all the time and get you know. But you feel sorry sorry to get so upset he's things relaxed. I thought he like you had a great weight on the weekend. And it seems like every time someone awesome a question or they could spot lauded him for two seconds. He kinda helped himself mentioned my name and. It's a little concerning. Why's it concerning? On the only thing these head. And like, surely, he could be using his lots of other purposes, you know, like if for instance, like he calling me like a fake news zone like that much. Well, like pretty heavy, you know when. He could be using his life to food all the purposes like like myself when other let's put onto me, I get to the plug my educational programs. I'm bringing -education programs to New Zealand next a lot of people didn't know this. But like this. This is one of the things that I'm working on right now with my team. And I guess the only thing that Israel can can can talk about as me, you know, I'm fighting to be on do feel like any of the things that he has said about you have crossed the line have been too personal. No, no, really. He's. Anything that causes the long? Don't mind. It all depends. How you take it? You know, some of the. Like some things I think are ridiculous going when when he says that I'm gonna psych Mosey psychos titans younger like that's just ridiculous. I don't think anyone really pays anyone to because if on the site Zealand, then what is eight. It's it's just one of those things. And and and that's every time. I see, you know, I'm very focused on what work. I have no basically at all. If he wants me to be critical every time, I say you in the city down, and we're can have coffee. We can go over every fault that I've seen these game. I'll do that she wants to otherwise, I'll just say, hey, how you doing and keep my mouth shut and like. Any differences. We have for whatever reason he's made them pushing one. Oh won't. So that nail on sooner or later, but you have noticed that it does seem key perks up when he talks about you ride. Like, it does seem like he gets. He gets riled up. When when the topic of you and your championship, and you being champion gets gets brought up have you noticed that? Yeah. It's you know, personally, I think I think because he can't stand. The fact that like people like me molded him And they've really hurt. He taught stand. The fact that people are talking about me this. I'm sentencing, he just Billy wants all the spotlight. He wants all the attention and they have like kid, but this onto funny that that it gets him some much like just relax me. Great fine. You selfish Bill we can for being from night. But he has said he has the new title of the old title. He's a real champion. You're not does that talk bother you. Shoot it. I don't know how. Yeah. No. Because like. He honestly, say whatever he wants because we're gonna meet and a few months time. And and like any talk is done anything. He says oh, new this fad. None of it's gonna matter. A lotta you across from the Oakland, and I'm gonna get health. And you know, if you basically he doing on him, you'll have he would've earned his place. But you know, everything my and make sure that doesn't ask them. So you would it be fair to say you're a little confused by all of this by by by these these comments. Confused because all sit down intellectually often see what he's doing a lot of stuff. He's but he's just. Alexa. He's actually for soaking everything. He's done. He's a good things. And I'm gonna get him Sonoda. You said that he's not as good as he thinks. He is after Saturday. Should he think that he is that good like does that change your stance on him? Not at all notable. No. I think he's a very funny even said this Coleman said he's a very good Florida. I don't know why he got so closely, and so divine. You know to be on his if he wants to fight you can see the holes that with every before they just go to expose big. It like he do. There are a lot of holes though, a lotta like there are a lot of things I guess on exploited. And there are a lot of things that get from could have exploited. But couldn't because he's might up because if he struck install because he's he's he's he's hot he's rich. And and then I guess someone getting in guessing that left's I'll get in all my rot like much foster. I guess them or that struck on comfortable that I stay on the outside understand that made ground should be very should be very worried. You know, I'm very hot side. What are the bigger holes that you noticed on Saturday? He's getting hit. And he's very very hit -able. Let's it he'd hug cheating people can get in knocking do the damage can do and you taking if thinking whether the stone and he tight mush, oh father around and counter and do everything he did was guests then congratulations to him. He'll win. Excellent. But I don't think he's going to. I'm different fodder -together them. I'll bring much more hate. I hate Hotta. A hit foster gonna come there with a new level of intensity. He's not used to take down defense surprise you at all. Did get them shoot. Very well. No, no, no. This is no disrespected gets them at all. I think they guess whole intention wasn't really to Detroit to attack for the tech down the Orion trying to this is my humble opinion. Honestly, if he did in, you know. Tooker than you know, that's on me and not him. But I'm guessing out there with a great approach the striking game, which I think he did a wonderful job doing. And then he's he's take down the tax. And he like the takedown was an office or something. He he tried throwing in the in moments when maybe he shouldn't have but other than the whole goal forget the most to get into and then take down, and you know, and cover that grappling because he was having such success on these hands. He went out there. More in my mind, you there with a game plan that was very heavily focused on shorting. And he lamented that very well. You know, even with the hot and reach difference. He got in money landed shots. He he hooked, you know, and he leaves he hit cake. Well, it was super come on. I had heard that they were shooting for end of July early August to have you to fight in a big stadium in Australia. Are you hearing the same? Heaven hood too much just yet. But my three times Chom get an show. You know, surely time. Time does that time framework for you. Go always pencilling August. And so the the the Tom on the dates worked perfectly, obviously, go to see how easy he was up, you know, wish to recovery those a hot fun. And he's obviously ruins. But the, you know, that's the died on feeding reason because he told us the time frame doesn't work for him. He wants a little more time off. How'd you feel about that? If it would be later. I guess that's something human watch USA and everyone's to discuss. Yeah. Never really been the one who. The thing is never really been one that that has stuck by a hard time on a one on confide like one of those guys that you know, when when the toys are on and they grew or go at the end rice UC one ninety three was a huge deal in Melbourne with the fifty five thousand tickets sold Jeff horn versus Manny Pacquiao in Brisbane was a huge field. Do you feel like this could be bigger than all of that you feel like we can sell at a stadium here and get fifty sixty thousand people in there. Maybe even more. I get more. This'll be the biggest this'll be the biggest combat sports event in these trying Zeo market. My it's how big can you think? How many tickets think we could sell here? How big could it get? But we we definitely kept the the definitely have fifty thousand. And that's that's that's a big number that the big study. That's a very very big stadium. So we can all I have the utmost confidence that we can. We can talk that number. Is there a specific city in Australia that you want Brisbane Sydney. Melbourne is specific one. Definitely Sydney own in Sydney. I wanted him that God. I haven't fought since my middleweight that you, and I you know, really really wanna do that. It's one of the things. Oh, I wanna do on defend my in Sydney home ground backyard. Cering the the incidents that happened. The last two times you were scheduled to fight in Australia. Any concerns about going back? Not at all. Like, I said talk show. So so yeah, all have very high hopes and all on very charted full for the for the for the come back here sale. And yeah, I'll be ready leave it at that. Robert. Thank you so much. I can't thank you enough. And I'm so sorry. I hope I didn't bother your family wake you guys up. I hope it impairs off your manager. But thank you so much. I really appreciate it. You're an absolute gentleman. Classic. Thank you for doing. This. Yoyo fought. Right. Thank you so much. I haven't made your Goodman. Appreciate it. There is Robert Whitaker. He can go back to bed, and I wanna thank the team in the back there for for for calling and for it's all my fault. Everyone blame me. Everyone hate me. It's my fault. I suck at math. That's why I do this for a living. I'm the worst. So corporate Jake voice. God everyone. I'm sorry. Anyhow, I'm outta time. You play music you want. If you want me to walk out right now, you can walk out. I just feel horrible. I feel horrible waking him up, by the way. Can I just say that's the best robber would occur interview. I've ever done. That was incredible. He is fired up far as fired up as Robert Whitaker is going to be. But did you guys notice that did you sense that that was the best Robert Whitaker that I've ever heard? This is going to be so much fun. I cannot wait Israel Sonya rubber Whitaker Sydney Brisbane mob, anywhere Auckland. I don't care where someone has to be in that vicinity. Do not bring it to the United States do not bringing some random country. It has to be in either Australia New Zealand, probably because that's where he lives, and you know, that's that's where he has spent the majority of his recent years, but while what that would be alright fun show in the books, very fun show in the books. I wanna thank all our guests. I want to gradulate Israel sign. Yeah. I want to congratulate just Emporia. Thanks. You who tuned in? Thank you for joining us. Thank you Dominick Cruz all the best of him. Thank you Valentina Shevchenko. Thank you, Brandon. Davis. Thank you Khalil Roundtree. Thank you. And welcome back to Daniel Strauss. Thank you, Mike Brown. Thank you very much, Jordan Burroughs. And again, thank you so much to rubber Whitaker. All right. If you missed anything check it out you to Twitter the app, all those places and more. Itunes as well back next week save time and place until then I say.

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EP2: The Man Who Bought His Way to the Top

The Marketing Rescue Podcast

35:34 min | 1 year ago

EP2: The Man Who Bought His Way to the Top

"You're listening to the marketing rescue. Podcast the weekly show where we take a look at some epic marketing failures along with some pretty amazing and rescues and comebacks. And now your hosts you go and chat everybody quick housekeeping not here. You'll hear today's audio jump from time to time threat today's episode we had to do a few recordings and due to the covert nineteen pandemic where to do it remotely versus together likely originally recorded this episode so we apologize about that and our hearts and positive thoughts goes out to the whole world currently dealing with us okay now back to the show. Hey Chad yeah. Did you know that the Federal Reserve is missing two-thirds of older one hundred hundred bowls? That they printed. Wow yeah they actually counted old one hundred bowls and all the banks or the cash resources and found. That two-thirds of old bulls are unaccounted for so in other words are most likely overseas but conspiracy theorists are on the case and they blaming the elimination. Of course. But that's not really why we're here today. I should hold. No no no no but did you know that Bloomberg. Lp's the largest stuck research platform in the world. I knew as big but I didn't realize it was the largest. Yeah it's really too big. The founder Mike Bloomberg also holds another good one for the largest taste and learn atrazine get pain in history that he ran for his presidential campaign and he spent roughly six hundred and seventy six million dollars in his very very short media campaign is insane and just to put that into perspective so procter and gamble as most people know is has one of the largest AD budgets in the world. They actually spent a total of six point. Seven billion which sounds really high. Compared to the six hundred seventy six million over and over how many brands a forty four brands so they averaged somewhere around like one hundred fifty two million per brand for their total annual advertising budget so Bloomberg outspent the annual ad budget of like many of these brands. Which by the way like some of the biggest brands in the entire world by three to four times. But he didn't do that within a twelve month period like they did. He did it within about a three and a half month period absolutely craziness. Yeah so. Today's episode we're going to be unpacking whether brand can buys way to the top doing this research for this episode. We actually approached it as a massive marketing fail. But I wouldn't be surprised if we do another follow episode November which might actually be the rescue. Yeah and it's super interesting to me that you're calling. You know this whole thing that he did a test and learn because that's an insane amount of money just to test the waters and see what happens right to put it in perspective for our listeners. Six hundred seventy six million dollars you can buy one hundred three million chipotle. Britos or you can pay off the student debts for one hundred and fifty thousand people you can push condos for two thousand two hundred people or you can buy three hundred thirty five. Mcdonald franchises so according to access. That's nine times as much money as the entire. Dnc raise all of twenty nine thousand nine. That's incredible so. Let's actually get into why he decided to do this? In the first place and what the result was but before we do. I think it's important to note that this episode is not taking a political position. Something unprecedented happened right and it's really instructive and I think super fascinating for the marketing world. So reproaching this episode from Neutral Political Perspective Yup and this is like super complex subject matter because of the fact that it's a political campaign so we're not gonNA cover every angle but there are some clear learnings that will dive into as we go through the episode cool so now disclaimers out of the way. Let's get started so Michael. Bloomberg was born in Nineteen forty to Boston and his parents actually pretty average. Americans and his father was a bookkeeper for a dairy farmer and Nineteen seventy-three Bloomberg became a partner at Solomon Brothers. A large Wall Street Investment Bank relate the equity training insistent development for them in nineteen eighty one Sullivan Brothers was purchased by Fibro Corporation and Bloomberg laid off or pushed out spinning. Who you believe what you WanNa read. And they gave him a ten million dollar cash by hours. Obvious equity within the firm. That would be a nice parachute. Yeah especially in one thousand nine hundred and he just shows you how value was during this time right. He then started his own company ninety six and named it after himself. Today it's most view stock research platform that every single investment banker and most traders use. He's got about three hundred seventy five thousand subscribers at about ten billion dollar annual revenue not not chump change. Yeah he's got plenty to work with and his political career really takes off when he's elected mayor of New York in two thousand one and then again in two thousand five and two thousand nine so on March Fifth Twenty nineteen. There's all these rumors swirling about a potential presidential run from Bloomberg and he decides to cut off the rumors by announcing that he would actually not run for president in twenty twenty instead. He encouraged the Democratic Party to nominate a Democrat who will be in the strongest position to defeat Donald Trump and pledged to support that effort but he became dissatisfied with the Democratic field. And this decision that he had made didn't last so he saw Joe Biden seemingly stumbling Bernie Sanders and also even losing significant portions of his core voting block to Pete Buddha. Judge and so- CAN. I got worried that the field wasn't really good enough so then on November twenty fourth twenty nineteen. He officially launched his campaign for the two thousand twenty Democratic nomination. At this point it was really late in the game right so he was able to build a really massive campaign organization in a matter of weeks but he did this and they're very different way than you think of a standard political grassroots perspective right. Yeah so he. Basically had two bowled a centralized media based campaign which is a very very different approach than any of these other rivals. Yeah pretty interesting quote from a sociological professor from the Indiana University. And his name's Fabio Ross. And he said when you run to senator or a president or a governor you really have to rely on a network of people he needs to local activists to get your name art and you need a network donors people who had view and Bloomberg completely bypassed that they often start. He's not even on the ballot for the first four states and at this point he's driving his entire campaign with his share wealth. Yeah so he's at a disadvantage right from the beginning just from that and he has a ton of wealth to try to tackle this with. He's actually the richest presidential candidate in American history. I mean at the time. His net worth is estimated by Forbes at around sixty two billion so yeah he spins six hundred seventy six million but that's only one percent of his war chest to him. I mean that's like walking around pocket money so he ran the most expensive self-funded campaign in American history. All driving toward making a huge splash on Super Tuesday. Yeah he's really reached but he's got to have some motivation to be able to spend the money though right. Yeah and it seems that the motivation is really that he doesn't like trump either just a personality clash or policy positions and how he handles the presidency or both but he's not a fan so they actually have a lot in common and they're both New York City billionaires but Bloomberg thinks of himself more as this average guy that worked really hard and made it big and he just feels like he doesn't have anything to prove but donald trump as we all know is very careful about crafting his image and coming off a particular way. Bloomberg is self made right and trump and heard a lot of money for his dad. That's correct too. So Rebecca Cats New York based democratic strategists said. I'm sure Bloomberg has a no gold toilets at his house. It's a different kind of money with less to prove and according to Daniel Strauss senior political reporter for the Guardian Congressman. Peter King New York Republican said to him that Bloomberg had told him that the only time he really interacted with trump was essentially at a couple of golf charity events. They were in many ways from different worlds. King said he also said that before trump ascended to national office Bloomberg had described it as only meeting him a few times while trump said he knew Bloomberg very well. Bloomberg and people in his orbit rarely mentioned trump's name king said so yes. Oh Up until this point at least in the press. They've been pretty polite to one another and then rubbed shoulders a few different times in two thousand four Bloomberg appeared on an episode of the apprentice and trump invited him and he said he had great respect for him at a charity. Golf event trump was quoted. My really terrific privilege to introduce. Aman till I think it's one of the greatest maze and we'll go down on one of the greatest maze if not the greatest of the city of New York in two thousand and thirteen Bloomberg said if there is anybody who has changed the city. It's Donald Trump. They're actually getting along really well at this point but we all know that they can only be one big billionaire New York City. Only wine can be the true King of New York. Yeah so something. Big Changes in two thousand sixteen though of course Bloomberg who was actually still an independent at the time delivers a speech at the Democratic National Convention. That summer saying he wasn't there as a member of any party but urge voters to help elect Hillary Clinton and defeat quote a dangerous demagogue. Trump tweeted around that time quote little Michael Bloomberg who never had the guts to run for. President knows nothing about me and quote a journalist for the Washington Post Michael Kranish wrote a story about just this equal trump for saying things when strangely Haywire wants I ran for office and Blumquist quoted in the same article. Objection to trump in the way. He's footing the current role in terms of representing the country in terms of representing the public. There's an attitude in the style and a lack of civility that I think is bad for the country and I find it extremely offensive so on March first twenty twenty sixty minutes correspondent remarks to Bloomberg that he had spent twice what president trump had even raised and asked how much Bloomberg would be willing to spend Bloomberg then replies making investment in this country. My investment is I'm going to remove president trump from sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Or at least I will try as hard as I can. Yes and now it's November. Twenty four th twenty nineteen and this is where things thought you could really interesting from a ephron perspective so the backstory bleeds into what happens next both personal and also from a policy standpoint. Bloomberg takes a very unusual media domination path for with his wealth that he has to like. We said before at this point. Always God's is wealth. He doesn't have time so he puts together. This unusual media dominated path. Basically just to blast. He's message house and with this. Chaotic media. Approach comes pros and cons from a standpoint. He basically gets US massive amount of uncontested communication in front of the American electorates which basically gives them the ability to test and learn things and see reconstruction from a constant. It's just absolute chaos. So we've seen so many deleted tweets and lack of meaningful content and targeted messaging throughout this. Entire thing yeah. You're totally right so let's kind of break it down so we know. He spent a literal fortune. And here's how he actually spent it so he spent at least two hundred and seventy five million or about forty percent of his budget directly against trump instead of trying to convince the Democratic voters he would be the best nominee which is kind of interesting. When you know. You're already behind and trying to win the nomination. You'd think you'd put most of your efforts into that but I think he was just trying to position. You know both with independence as well as kind of the core democratic base so because of that he ended up spending about sixty four percent of his budget in battleground states versus delegate rich Blue States so final detailed spinning breakdowns by channel. Don't seem to be available at least at the time. We're recording this episode. But here's some things that we do. Now he spent the most on TV with at least two hundred twenty five million poured into TV commercials including a cool eleven million on one super bowl ad and his TV. Ads were so pervasive. That a Yahoo YouGov poll from February Twelfth through the thirteenth showed that about two thirds of registered voters had seen a Bloomberg at on TV he also invested really heavily in just a wide variety of social media platforms with the most being spent on of course facebook with at least sixty three million spent on facebook ads at a pace in twenty twenty of over a million dollars a day. The is crazy. So this is another stat that puts it into even more perspective. He bought display ads at a pace of thirty thousand ads per second holy moly and he did something totally previously unthought of in presidential politics which is pouring a significant number of resources into influence or marketing. He got really maximum bang for his buck. Because he's using his own money versus going through a super back. The Laws of advertising applies different caesium years a quote from the Columbia Journalism Review. That says he spent his own money. And by law candidates are entitled to the lowest possible rates in every ad dark money organizations by contrast would pay whatever the market would bear revealing. Two thousand five hundred. Pdf's s incision orders. He found that a massive bulk them of these insertion orders had an average cost of eight to nine dollars and for the media. Anna's listening half and win last year. Rights Incision Order for. Nine Bucks. Probably never yeah. This is really interesting to think of political candidates the rights of television. But we're really gets different is what he did in social media. Yeah completely breaks all convention and possibly actually broke the Law Ellen Weintraub who is an FCC commissioner said quote when a campaign pays a social media influence or to create or post content as Bloomberg's has done. It's a bit of Gray Area. Why trump said honestly it's legally unclear the FCC has not opined on this scenario. I think the best practice would be to view it as a political ad but the FTC has however issued guidance on influencer marketing that requires influencers to clearly disclose in their content. Whether or not. They're being paid for their opinion or have any other type of relationship with the product brand or service that they're promoting and this wasn't always happening at first and Bloomberg's campaign. He was actually caught paying twenty five hundred dollars per month to social media influencers and facebook when they found out actually allowed it to continue saying that as long as the posts were labeled as ads by the influencers and that change was made that they could remain up yet a very very different approach as millions of people were watching the democratic debate presidential debate on stage the moines the last debate before the hour caucuses. Bloomberg cranking memes with influences like is a very unconventional approach. Tweet that he had and the tweet read taste geopolitical knowledge spot the maple. That looks like Mike. It was an image of a bowl of meatballs. And one of the one of the Bulls had Bloomberg's face on us very highly relevant to to politics right earth so this tweet caught five point. Seven thousand likes to point six thousand comments and one point three thousand shares and you can imagine that people would just ripping this two pieces right. I mean this is a very unconventional. People used to north of our very political. Yeah so here's a quote from wired Kate Nabs and she said like Bloomberg's Presidential Campaign. Hashtag spun might be cringe-worthy but it's also only the beginning and there was a strategy behind it so they're actually was. It is very interesting so every political campaign and I mean really. Any advertiser knows that. There's there's always going to be haters right. We're probably GONNA have haters on this podcast but you really have to kind of have thick skin in order to be successful in politics or advertising in general and so according to Caroline Freeman who is a digital advertising manager for Senator Cory. Booker's twenty twenty presidential campaign a self deprecating strategy could actually help. Bloomberg is the campaign attempts to win voters. They had actually kind of tried to establish a persona. They called Weird Mike to make him seem less stiff and unapproachable especially with younger voters so the meatball tweet shows a seventy eight year. Old Billionaire is quote. Really relatable friendly like your dad or like an older friend. She said rather than like this billionaire. Who sort of just plummeted into the race. But it's really interesting to me that his kind of shameless Yousef influence or marketing really allowed him to get around. Transparency and fact checking requirements in fact twitter had actually suspended seventy troll accounts that posted content in support of his campaign and even if he had been doing everything in a completely ethical manner. It just wasn't really targeted very well so there was not enough time to really plan it out. Of course and so things just became dislike blanket of advertising. We're picking up influencers in all eleven of the battleground states. Were working in this year next. Gen National Press Secretary. Heather Grevin says reproaching people saying. Hey you have the most famous dog in Madison Wisconsin. Are you willing to talk about the upcoming voter registration deadline? So speed the progress along for Bloomberg. He hired an agency called tribe. And this this crazy to me. It was a fixed fee of one hundred and fifty dollars per influence her and the criteria were that they needed to hit one thousand one hundred thousand dollars. Basically the briefed them was to their audience. Tell us why Mike. Bloomberg is the electable candidate who can raise above the fray work across the aisle so all Americans feel heard and respected is a quote from this and three three Viki so. I'm sure I'm butchering that. I Apologize. We've got a network of people who want to create content for brands and in this case the brand is Mark Bloomberg I. It's a creative agency or freelance producing content on behalf of an ad campaign. And that's really what's going on here. Political campaign is no different than a product tray or or company branding so there's a ton of parallels here. The politician is essentially like the brand. Their record and policies are the product. The political party is the brand category. Or maybe the brand vision and values so you have to have this authentic brand that people can identify with a product that they want and also have a brand mission and values that people actually want to get behind so we both marketers and we know in order to connect your audience. He needs to create very relevant contents on the right medium. Each put in firm at the right time. Brian Yep but this very diverse campaign that he had year was kind of interesting because it was so geared towards the influences anybody between a hundred and one thousand or ten thousand followers that it actually didn't solve the problem that there was a problem with the actual product. They were promoting. Yep So Justin Peters from slate who think somewhat masochistic and I don't know if that's the right word or not but watched one hundred eighty five Bloomberg ads in an attempt to document Bloomberg's campaign strategy. Yeah he summed it up pretty well. He says no ad buys too big or too small for Bloomberg. He is as comfortable spending ten million on a minute. Long Super Bowl ad as he is paying low level social media influencers one hundred and fifty pop to mention him on the Internet. The ads produced by Bloomberg's shop range from standard hope and change numbers to thirsty. Weird would be viral videos from wonky policy breakdowns. To attack style efforts to expose President Donald Trump's many shortcomings. He's hired mean guys to get the vote he's endorsed pizza and ice cream to get the junk food vote he's secured the endorsements of Sam Waterston to get the law and order vote. He's wished to Americans happy holidays. In order to get the nonsectarian Carol or vote Bloomberg has released so many ads that it is virtually impossible to keep track of them all. Here's what I learned. Though for one thing that watching nearly two hundred campaign ads in a short period is sort of like being brainwashed which I suppose is the goal of all advertising. Did you vote for him then? Well he goes on in the quote to say at this point I wouldn't say I'm a aboard the Bloomberg train but I think I would feel a little less uncomfortable with buying a ticket. That's a great court Yup and then he continues. Many of the ads are very good. Many more of them are not but the quality of any individual ad though is ultimately less important than the breadth of the entire Corpus. So what Bloomberg is doing is. He's really kind of tapping into a similar strategy. As Donald trump the sort of almost like brainwashing through just sheer volume and repetitiveness Elizabeth. Spear which is a democratic strategist sums it up like this mediocre messaging at massive scale. Sounds about right. Yeah you're if you're examples of large-scale untargeted. Instagram accounts memes that he actually used syringes at Kale Salads at tank Sinatra at grape juice boys at. Why people humor or at Gerry and all of those have fathers ranging from about three million or two million all the way up to about fifteen million not to mention that all these influences also have a really big facebook following right. This is instagram. Here's an example of one of the memes that he did with at Kale. Sallis is a DM between Michael Bloomberg with Kelly says. Hello. Can you please post them? To make me seem cool for up and coming presidential primary and then as part of this this little image that also sent with and he said Michael Bloomberg is like a Kale Salad tough and tasteless but ultimately good for you and they Kale Salad replied. I don't know I D K. I don't know it's not that funny and then Bloomberg replies. I'll give you billion dollars then after after that Kale replies. What would you like the caption to be of course? Yeah so you'd one hundred and forty two thousand likes for this close two thousand comments and the largest meam account. We were actually able to find that they partnered with was at Erie with about fifteen million instagram followers. Which is owned by Jerry media a social media conglomerate that owns a variety of large medium and social media content profiles so Paul Blumenthal of Huffpost said quote Bloomberg could run only because he is one of the richest men in the world. It went him a seat on the Democratic Party presidential debate stage and the ability to campaign across more states at once than any other candidate but in the end when voters actually saw the product hyped across television and instagram. They chose not to buy it. It comes as no surprise. That Bloomberg's social media influence campaign was run by the same company. That helped hyped the two thousand seventeen fire festival. Ouch so this is why when we started doing the research for this. We thought this was going to be massive marketing. Fail at this point is still everything's pointing towards this is not getting yes right. That's an amazing statement. But here's a counterpoint. George Rush which is the director of influence marketing. A brand fire told the Times that Boomberg meam ad about Bernie Sanders was the most successful ad ever posted to his at Sinatra instagram account. So this is where Bloomberg continues to do massive taste and learn and he's trying to figure out how to combat trump's digital prowess basically because the DNC has been very very slow to respond. Yeah a very cool quote here from Andrew Bosch Worth which is facebook executive in January twenty twenty. It was actually a leaked memo from facebook and I quote here. He got elected because he ran the single best digital ad campaign of ever seen from any advertiser period and that's towards trump's meeting. Yeah yeah so it kind of seems to me that Bloomberg he must have realized this then seemingly kind of understood that Russian interference primarily via mean based guerrilla style. Social Media Marketing. We've all heard a ton about it. Regardless of what your opinion is in the media and he wanted to create this massive test and learn that he could deploy and he could use for whomever was the eventual nominee so that he could really try to devise the most effective modern digital strategy going forward for the DNC so in the words of the Bloomberg Campaign Quote Mike Bloomberg Twenty. Twenty has teamed up with social creators to collaborate with the campaign including the mean world. While a mean strategy may be new to presidential politics. We're betting it will be an effective component to reach people where they are and compete with President Trump's powerful digital operation while you could ask yourself was successful and I think at this point in the story. We realized that we WANNA do a another episode November. Yeah because he has said he's not going to use all these tactics all the way through to November two eight Biden to unseat trump which might actually be part of his larger strategy. Yeah that very well could be and we really look at his success or lack thereof from a variety of different so we could look at it for example as a CPA per delegate right which would be sixty one delegates that he won for a cost of around eleven million dollars per delicate. Ouch or you can also think of it at the CPA. That is one hundred and thirty dollars per vote and In terms of whether it has or may benefit his business endeavors. That's pretty unclear. Because of the effects of the corona virus pandemic on financial markets and just the business landscape at large. There's really no way to really understand. You know what the impact would have been Because of that. Yeah so if you think of this as the EPA for winning the nomination than the Roi Zero Right but yeah think of this as the CPA to win or unseats. Donald trump that is yet to defy. Yep so now getting onto a super Tuesday so we all know what happened. Bloomberg obviously didn't win. He did receive a significant number of votes but he did win the inconsequential American Samoa. It is kind of an accomplishment however that even though he was just completely destroyed by Elizabeth Warren on the debate stage he did beat her in total Super Tuesday votes but of course he dropped out of the race on March fourth. The day after Super Tuesday. Yeah absolutely so from February. No candidates had more than twenty seven percents support but he went from one percent to fifteen percent in just a couple of months with. He's me army. Yeah so it's kind of difficult to understand why he couldn't move past this but really it was the product in this case that was the problem is the product of Michael. Bloomberg was very flawed. So it's becoming a little bit more clear and clear that you can't really by way to the top as a brand not with a bad product and you have to understand why though and it was because he had a very troubled product long before Elizabeth. Warren took him behind the woodshed at the two debates he participated in so Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat until two thousand one when he switched to the Republican Party. To run for mayor he then switched to an independent in two thousand seven and registered again. Finally as a. Democrat only in October of twenty eighteen in two thousand four he endorsed the re election of George W Bush and spoke at the two thousand four Republican National Convention. Which to this day doesn't sit well with both rank and file and the establishment Democrats. For obvious reasons he also had a record in office that generally kind runs against many of the ideals of his target audience or just weren't super popular so for example the democratic base didn't like issues like stop and Frisk. He had some controversial policies like his attempt to ban Sodas and of course his sexual harassment nondisclosure agreements scandals. He was just incredibly unprepared and lethargic at both debates so just ended up being this thing where. There's this really big dissonance and divide between this slick innovative hard hitting campaign where he has these emotional videos and very slick social media ads. And then the desirability of the actual product itself when you can't if lay it bare something really really interesting. There's authenticity and the next episode actually talked a lot about that. How people feel about a specific brand and what authenticity means. Yeah the fact that he flip flopped his political affiliation multiple times. I think so through that. So that just shows that the product wasn't authentic and people didn't really buy it for that matter tear McGowan the CEO of the Democratic Digital Strategy Group of acronym is a quarter of her. We saw a huge disconnect between Bloomberg the candidates and he's campaign online when he was on the debate stage trump has been running a very effective authentic to his brand digital campaign since he was elected. And we're going to have to do the same if you want to. Beat him of amber so trump campaign from day one has been. Super Digital Super Authentic. Yep You don't have to like it but you know what it is right. Yes for sure so. Getting back to the whole authenticity thing digital advertising has been the centerpiece of trump's twenty twenty campaign and he's actually poured millions of dollars into securing ads. Pacer ready for instance. He's bought the AD space on top of Youtube for Election Day. And that is the most expensive and highest profile online ad space in existence. So yeah I think the other thing. That's really interesting to me from a marketing. Perspective is as marketers. I think we always deal with tight deadlines right. We're trying to launch a new brand the product campaign. Whatever it is and so speed. Is this thing. That's very important but it can also be a double edged sword so move fast and break. Things is the mantra of Silicon Valley for obvious. Good reasons but it does come at a cost and Bloomberg's campaign was cobbled together so quickly that he couldn't answer policy questions in the debates because his team haven't put them together yet and the leap into digital marketing was so swift and chaotic. That it was just chock full of executions that lacked thoughtfulness. He's talked about Elizabeth Warren. And this is what she does every single day she puts policies in place right she. He's up against a brand. He's fighting in the space of a brand that he doesn't really have any right to be in right and that was very prepared from a competitive perspective and so just the price of just quickly. Deploying such an incredibly high volume of decentralized content means that along with the wave of successful viral wins that he had a number of posts were essentially deleted after they became problematic so Katie Nibs from wired said in February article titled Quote The influence. Our election is here that the two thousand twenty election will unfortunately most certainly feature even more social media. Ads from fitness bloggers instagram. Famous dogs youtubers and even more of their varied viral ilk. The twenty sixteen presidential election was a demonstration of how candidates and their supporters could harness social media to spread information and misinformation this year. They're enlisting influencers in me makers more directly in the effort. And what's crazy about this? Is we still in the very early parts of those growth curse of social media and influence or marketing right? This is still very early days and this will continue to grow in little change. It'll morph so this is a work in progress for him. So think of this everything up until this point is phase one face to. He's paid for his entire campaign through to November and he's going to take his learnings to support Joe Biden. Whoever the Democratic nominee might be yeah and he had more reasons to conduct this massive test and learn than just winning his chance to sit behind the resolute desk right so in two thousand eighteen. He spent more than forty one million on around two dozen. Congressional midterm races crazy. Yeah so Jordan. Weisman with slate wrote the following the day after Super Tuesday quote if you think about it in that context. Bloomberg's campaign doesn't look like such a disaster either instead of a giant product flop as huffpost put the effort. Looks like a Beta test. For highly professional paid media and field operation that can now be turned to the task of defeating trump and electing Democrats to Capitol Hill. It's early results. Haven't even been all that bad really. I mean Bloomberg was an ex Republican with glaring liabilities on gender and race in a party dominated by women and black voters who also happens to have all the natural charisma of a skink. There is no rational world in which he made sense as the Democratic nominee. What we've really learned is that a billionaire can spend just a tiny fraction of the resources and serious political influence and the concept of a brand marketing. Nothing like it was ten years ago. Thank you for listening and talk to you next week. You've been listening to the marketing rescue. Podcast this show is hosted by Nico Cassia and Chad Children's the CO founders of KPI Agency. A Marketing Rescue Agency be sure to visit marketing rescue. Podcasts DOT COM to join the conversation access. The show notes. Contact the hosts and discover fantastic misconduct.

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On verbal communication

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On verbal communication

"Greetings Ladies and gentlemen you're listening to the public comment podcast. I am your host Sean O'Connor and this is a podcast four creative critical and introspective thinkers of politics and philosophy does actually not exactly what my slogan was. I changed the words around a little bit subconsciously by accident funny funny how those kinds of things just do happen in life today. I'm going to be chatting with you well. At least there are two things that I have specifically on my agenda but if you are a listener at this point you know that while I have starting topics I liked to go just wherever it isn't gonNA go based on what sort of natural in terms of the progression on my thoughts so I- outline things I outlined an agenda but I don't like to be really contrived today WanNa talk to you chiefly about writing. I WanNa talk to you about senator of New York Kirsten Gillibrand because I may have made a little mistake about my understanding of her qualifications for President I find myself now doubting what I thought about her initially based on some useful and wonderful twitter correspondences I've been having but I I do want to start this conversation today. I WanNa talk to you about writing and I want to start okay context ex- context context because I'm not famous yet which means many of you who might be <hes> discovering this podcast many of you may not know me yet and so there's a lot of missing in context I'm thirty three years old and I've been interested in writing probably since I was eight or nine there are very a few things in life I have contemplated more than the question of writing or what makes good writing how one autorite and why one author right the only topics probably contemplated to a similar extent would include I think philosophy and politics. I like to think about love and sex. It's really talk about those topics so much I used to when I was younger. I used to be obsessed with talking about sex. When I was younger? Now I mean I think it's kind of cliche. I think that's Howard Howard Stern's thing I think he did that. I mean not that I consider myself not aloud or to talk about sex or like. I'm not supposed to talk about it. It's just not it. It's more something I enjoy contemplating thing not necessarily something I enjoy talking about at this point in my life anymore. I kind of enjoy the fact that love and sex and those kinds of things have a sort of <hes> place of privacy at this point in my life who knows how the mind evolves but because I mean I know I was really almost exhibitionist in the way I used to chat about sex but I just don't really have that. Don't enjoy joy that kind of thing these days I just have other things on my mind and anyway if I were to chat about sex it would be probably much more of a philosophical approach anyway. We're being awesome money and fame those are things. I've thought a lot about or really shouldn't say fame. Fame is sort of a weird word I would say I've thought a lot about what it means means to make your mark in the world not so much in the context of fame like a movie star kind of fame so much as someone who what's the right word I guess the best way to put it as always had this desire to be the kind of person who could be mentioned in the history books. I guess I've always wanted to be a prominent influence and definitely one of the things that has been a factor when I've debated which mediums I've wanted to invest the most time effort and thought in one of them has been one of the factors has been. Where do I think I can have the greatest impact and make my mark in the history books and be someone that people would consider worth thinking about in the future? I guess that's weird to think about because that could make me come across as a narcissist couldn't it. There are so many human beings in the world. Why should we think `bout I mean there's all these thoughts on exceptionalism and hair arche and I hate those kinds of topics but I also think about the idea that there are also people who are just very interested in public being public people people who are really interested in the role of innovation people who are very social people who are are interested in leadership vision those kinds of things and people perhaps who want to make the history books? Maybe not everybody wants that so I guess the point I'm trying to make is it's not about ego for me. I don't think this fascination I have with being wanting to be remembered by my fellow humans and by posterity it's it's it's almost a static does that make sense could that possibly make sense to close my eyes and imagine the world after me and think just like the way I've read about Thomas Jefferson or John Locke or Michel Damn on tenure or Aristotle Aristotle or Rambault are just these names People Picasso that they have these <hes> when you contemplate them now they're gone and yet they still they have these intensities of spiritual power in our minds and we think about them. I Apologize For this little strange sound. I suppose the fact is I actually don't have the finest finest Mike in the podcasting industry in fact I haven't had the cheapest ones whatever my finances are. They are for the time being but <hes> you can find my patriot. John Page certainly encourage you to check it out. If you think this is an awesome way to spend your time <hes> joining in my thought stream if you will and and offer a few dollars and some of that could certainly go towards the investment of a better Mike though <hes> it's also not the worst microphone in the world but there are these little imperfections about it. I suppose so anyway you see. I do like to digress. I don't mind I like I do like it. I think I think a lot about writing and I think a lot about the impact of writing that it can have and I think a lot about the impact of media and the impact of productivity and impact that a soul can have social social movements politicians policy. He's kinds of things so <hes> the story of me and writing of writing and I were to take grammar grammar quite seriously even if you wanna get started with that concept of grammar and the role of grammar in writing the really is more than one way to look look at the question of grammar in my opinion because who's to say really ACOUST- to be the authority on how language ought to be there is respect for convention but convention is not God so if you want to deviate including your own I dunno grammatical rules or anything about different accents and dialects or tendencies to break with notions of conventional English. Obviously there's different ways to look at it like from one perspective you could think that someone comes across as ignorant they haven't learned basic English and there is a sort of perhaps sense you get that they therefore I mean there's a kind of snobbery that comes with how you view people who might not have the education you have to isn't there and there's the context of when and where you're engaged in that communication isn't there also obviously from artistic and aesthetic point of view. If it's someone's passion to be a communicator the question you probably want to ask is what degree of thought appears to have gone into the product of communication that we are contemplating has been produced by his person. I think that's fair. I'm not sure however how much I concern myself with how perfect grammar is I mean are little little things as a writing tutor because you do learn things sometimes when when grammar is just so contrary to the grammar you know and that you've learned and it's obvious that someone's were lost in transition and translation from their first language to yours. Sometimes it's hard art understand and that's actually if you WANNA ask what's probably the theme the theme central to any conversation. I WANNA have on writing. It really is in my opinion. The purpose of writing is to be understood. You can have a conversation about postmodern writing where maybe the purpose is not to be understood Headbutt to activate the mysticism of the mind and <hes> put some <hes> thoughtfulness into that aspect of life that aspect of thought reminding us that will never know everything in we'll never be perfect and there will always be ambiguity in there will always be imperfection Shen and these kinds of things but to me that dogma the Ironic Dogma that seems to gravitate around a lot of postmodern philosophy and writing being in communication is tends to be troubling in its cynicism. Neil ISM and inability to really communicate. It's something constructive intangible you. Maybe you want me to give you an example of that. What would be the best example of that? It's it's funny because that's the poetry that I hate to read and therefore the poetry. I just tend not to remember myself because I find it so there's a really good quote some reading. I've not gone back to it in some time but I have this book and I have read some of it. It's called a million. M._F._A.'s are not enough by Charles Harper Webb <hes> it recently came out. It's it's not an old book. It came out in but see year two thousand sixteen so it's not terribly old a very good friend of mine the poet and philosopher Bernard foy eighth he was the one who happened to have shown me this book and I read part of it when he showed it to me and it resonated with me because the theme of the book is clarity and it sort of corresponds with my <music> own philosophical foundational principle of the importance of clarity would I call clarification ISM or more even more exactly practical practical clarification Azam. That's what I call my philosophy at this point in time anyway here's what he writes in the preface of his book. He says you appreciate this. I think quote I resent poems that like little enigma codes require deciphering. I don't like poets to obfuscate especially when what they've hidden proves proved to be fool's gold I like poems that give pleasure and are understandable the first time through but reward rereading with increased pleasure depth and resonance such poems enlighten as they entertain close quote. That's the last second to last paragraph of his preface by the way now that sort of sparked up in my mind a really good point not that I wanted to make. Do you ever note that while written academic poetry seems to fail to resonate with a lot of people I think the last statistic I had seen National Endowment of the arts had published days survey according to a Washington Post article. Some six percent of Americans have may be read like one poem in the lab per year something like that so poetry in the sense of being this <hes> written thing that you read in a book is actually not popular at all but in contrast what is really popular songs people love songs people love Song Songs Make Mad Money Yo they do and in fact probably my favorite poet Bob Dylan fight songs. He won the he won the was it the Nobel Prize for poetry for literature quite recently. Was it last year and I think there's there's a reason for that there is a reason why I think songs resonate a lot better than the written poem and I think it's not just because people prefer listening though maybe they do that might be part of it as the success with the podcast industry suggests that this new boom but also I would note note that song lyrics are often speak in clearer language. Not all them are a lot of songs that are cryptic but even cryptic songs often. Don't really talk down to to us but say things that we can. We can say yeah just yesterday. I quoted a Bob Dylan lyric from I believe as long as called meet me in the morning. I mean the morning my enunciation was off. There was off. They're right there. They're forget where I heard. People talk like that from. We're talking about language. We're talking about writing or talking about at pronunciation all these things language last language Spanish as a beautiful language okay. I'll try not to do too much stream-of-consciousness here. I there's really good. Here's another really good quote. If I were to say if I were to find one quote that explain my philosophy of writing my aesthetic principle of writing sitting in a nutshell I would hand it to Michelle Day Montana. He is great essay. It's great personal essay thus far in life. I'm not sure I can find an essay. I enjoy more than this one. It's called on some verses of Virgil and I'm reading from translation by M A screech from the big beautiful book of the complete essays of Michel then Mantegna an so page nine eighty seven of that now. I think you'll appreciate this this to me explains. I just relate to this so perfectly. When it comes to writing writing this is what I have to say about it? He says quote when I look upon such powerful means of expression so dense and full of life I a two not conclude that it is well said but thought well oh I just read it incorrectly the you know when you like imagine the word in front of off the other word and you just you think you see it before you actually see it one more time when I look upon such powerful means of expression so dense and full of life I do not conclude dude that it is said well but thought well. That's that's what it comes down to. I do not conclude that it is said well but thought well put another way then this is new now not Montana put another way as I understand it when I want to read. I'm not doing it for any kind of like pretentious showing this. I'm not doing it. I don't read so that someone can show off his or her vocabulary. I am not reading so someone can necessarily show off their eloquence eloquence as toes. I appreciate degree of so called eloquence but what it is that really attracts me about good writing is that it is a thought I can follow. Hello that I can appreciate definitely. Maybe the context which leads to my bias is the fact that I've always tended to be more the bills Sophal and so I only tend to care about the de la topical implications of what I tend to read often times vivid dogmatically concrete descriptions in creative writing that I've read bore me and I don't mean that to be rude. It's just that in life I appreciate someone who can describe something very well. I really do but often times. That's just not what moves me. I mean there's artistic about it but but I don't think that's the only way to express oneself with any kind of artistry so you know I've just not been the tight to like did in <hes> I suppose in the worlds of creative writing. Maybe that's why I didn't get into more than one program could be despite the fact I mean I mean look. I'm not the person WHO's GonNa go out there and say I'm so great I've done this and I have achieved that. I hate doing those kind of things. I don't like to be some kind of show off or anything like that. I don't like to talk down myself up either and I'm not sure you're there in my opinion you. They're good at communicating. You're not and I don't mean that in the sense of saying either quote born with it or you're not I just mean to me as I understand it. There's a lot more than there's a lot more to effective communication. I think especially in the context of this evolving information Internet age then what you could possibly pick up. I think in some kind of creative writing program program I've got to tell you I am troubled a bit and concerned a bit by the notion of a creative writing and the program program especially when you pay for and don't get paid to do but even if you don't some of these programs doll out a lot of money very few then but the few creative writing. Some programs that will pay twenty seven thousand dollars a year up to thirty thousand dollars a year. I get it I mean even when you're publishing something. Even when a book is going to sell at the end of the day it's in large part. Who is it that wants to publish you and who is it that wants to promote you to what extent do they want to actually promote you and it ain't no joke about the degree to which even if you are published the degree to which your own publisher will advertise you there is an interesting letter in Ayn Rand's ends book of letters where she basically tax her publishing company complaining in very nasty terms that they don't properly or affectively advertise her book and I'm not going to go into the context of wide that may or may not have been all of that but I think my point is unless as we take it upon ourselves to give must you take it upon yourself to be the chief publicist of your work and marketer of your work work? You're a writer you are subject to the opinions of other people on your writing and oftentimes where they are in a sort of hair arche of influence they have on others based on their opinions in writing and your therefore subject to their aesthetic principles and their dill pickle ideas underpinning their ideas of what makes for good writing or bad writing and that concerns me but I don't mean that an arrogant way I'm not suggesting that these people are somehow unintelligent and not suggesting that they're even necessarily wrong in some of the judgments they might make however it is a fact that as the world has evolved all does the economy has evolved as the Information Internet age has changed the context of so-called Mass Communication Media Social Media these things the fact is you could easily write your own thing and work like hell to be your own publicist and marketer essentially and reach any number of people without then without dealing with an m._f._a.. Program or a literature program even and I'm not saying that those programs may or may not have have something to offer they may but they also may not be absolutely necessary if you are so fortunate but say to be surrounded by a great network of artists and intellectuals through other means and if you offer one another really constructive feedback and you're really you're really strong out of a died act or you're really thoughtful of just how you communicate. I mean just he's N._F._A.. Things aren't I don't view them as absolutely necessary but I guess what's The relevance anyway of this discussion is probably how I should have started the conversation. Why bother talking about writing? I mean one. I'm a philosophical person and I'm interested in aesthetics so I've always wanted to go there running being something really interested in but also I think it is an interesting reflection on maybe how we think about communication in general or how some people think about communication I would say and just we live in such an interesting world right now as I think about even the motivation to do the podcast thing and to do now I am barely much more interested in extemporaneous talking. I find it to be just as valuable as I found writing a year ago. I found their T._v.. Something just as artistic sick about it just as meaningful <hes> but it's just more enjoyable not that it takes away from pleasure in writing and other contexts but in it's a you know my mantra context context context I think with the rise of the PODCAST and the rise of talking extemporaneous talking not just in the context of podcast but social media in general general and blogs and blogs and things like that I think the context in which we contemplate the role of writing I think it's going to evolve and I think that the role writing used nice to have where a lot of intellectual discourse was much more exclusively perhaps anchored in the so-called worlds of literature fiction nonfiction creative writing. I think that sort of paradigm is being obliterated to a degree and I think that now instead of thinking about the concept of writing I think we wanna think about maybe the concept of communication I think like that write that down communication and much of communications verbal we might WANNA say verbal communication. I think verbal communication as a concept becomes more interesting today than writing. Does the get resonates with more people to because there's different ways you can communicate with someone verbally and I think you probably WanNa take into consideration the same probably a number of similar the same things <hes> and that thinking about <hes> like little rules of writing where people say like no adverbs. I've got to tell you the irony of that while it is true probably that having an active voice as opposed due to a passive voice you know using your verbs and using verbs other than linking verbs this sort of general idea eh of just being more assertive as a communicator. There's probably something to that but to nitpick someone's writing and maybe complain too much about adverbs as I know <hes> that <hes> I've done as a writing tutor and I've had creative writing and other kinds of writing professors and critics subject me to I think the irony is that the greatest of all writers end up using their adverbs so really here to go on too much about at burbs but I think that <hes> it's sort of interesting how you can get into micro managing your thoughts on writing to such a way that it becomes uselessly pedantic. I've done it myself so I'm not out there trying to ostracize someone as I talk about it but I think as we think in terms of again modern verbal communication Asian I think that it would be helpful certainly to not be pedantic about it nitpicky and instead <hes> I took this course on critical writing and I I found that really useful <hes> because we talked a lot about purpose in writing and that's probably been one of the most useful concepts I've ever been able to employ because when I ask myself why am I compelled to communicate at all. What is it that I want to say? What is that I want to achieve that gives me a significant degree of direction genre not so much and that's one of the issues I have with a lot of creative writing programs? That's why there were a number of programs. I actually didn't bother applying to I had planned initially supplied to a lot of creative writing M._F._a.. Programs N._Y._U.. Columbia Columbia Iowa these kind of programs <hes> but when I started studying in greater depth the professors in the programs and seeing that they were very genre centric shall we say I was turned off and I just again just like I say I rather think that writing is a confining way to think about communication verbal communication now. I think that genre could be really limiting thought and I don't think like Oh he's a poet and shouldn't wouldn't be partaking in other kinds of writing. Oh she's a novelist and shouldn't be partaking in other kinds of writing this person's just journalists this person's just of lager this person's just a radio talk show host Blah Blah Blah. I am by any of that the end of the day hey there are probably people who are just very interested in verbal communication and may employ their verbal communication in different ways. <hes> that's one thing that interests me about. There's John Paul Sartre Nietzsche the existentialist philosopher he really took on different mediums quite well and was just interested in south expression and even more particularly elderly particularly verbal communication written verbal communication in his case but you know in the forties verbal re-regular rather rather audio recording was just not as big a thing as widely consumed or as widely produced as it is is now and the way that we can express ourselves really just in this interesting phase so today did something interesting. It used to be that I spent a lot of time just reading in the morning today. I listened to podcast well. Actually it was a radio I listened to excerpts from two old radio shows <hes> I don't know if you're familiar with the philosopher Dr Leonard Peak off his objective as philosopher. I was listening to one of his radio shows from nineteen ninety six and he was talking. WHO's offering his point of view that healthcare is not a right disagree with him but I'm not going to have that conversation now that it was interesting listening <hes> talk the listen to Howard Stern's first day his birth show on W. N. B. C. Radio and that was interesting and I like the contrast you know if if I had to say if I had to describe myself in my approach I really would say it is an attempt to converge <hes> convert converge? I an attempt to entwine Michelle Day Montana and Howard Stern. I think the two people who interest me the most the irony is that Howard Stern is funny and I unders- not what and Howard Stern probably a lot of words. I'm not interested in using and Howard stern even think maybe he would think at the end of the day that a snob. I don't know maybe wouldn't it be how the hell would. I know that is allowed. I apologize and what was that I thought maybe I'd get a text message or something. I don't know I don't have a text message. It was from Mike G mail account. I apologize that might have hurt your ears. That's what happens when you're not yet rich and famous with the best studio and technology thanks to make sure that sounds aren't so abruptly jarring right ha talking about sort of integration of an aesthetic that comes from Michelle Day Montana to Howard Stern <hes> both have a free flow that really loved both say what they just WanNa say really well one though I think Michelle Dan Montana has got this real scholarly early intellectual way about him no disrespect Howard Stern. You probably wouldn't consider yourself MANTEGNA though I wouldn't say Howard Stern has like unintellectual though <hes> I was speaking with the novelist and philosopher Matthew Slope yesterday you can find him. His twitter Hashtag is Hashtag is twitter handle is is slope and our very funny right. You should check out again. I will plug him more time. <hes> why can't I find I can I find <hes> he goes by then the name right now sort of a funny thing Matthew Snow Power <hes> but the handle is at monkey mar of he's funny. He's a a is a philosopher and novelist the name by the way he will be a guest on the show in the future. That's the plan is to have him on and talk about his novel and capitalism and some of his Dell's ideas. The name of his novel is the world according to Geek. It's something you can go buy on Amazon. If that title is interesting to you he did not pay me in any way shape or form to say that and if you did that would be okay because Khalid sponsors anyway. Why not I need items to plug your a lot of people don't like commercials? I told you before damn stupid. Microphones stopped making that sound yeah. I don't know why it does that. If any of you out there are really good with microphones and sound technology behind sound maybe you can give me some advice on how to stop my microphone from every twenty five minutes or so making that weird sound off freaking apologize anyway that was me plugging Matthew Snoop but we were talking about <hes> we were talking about how Jesus what the hell are we talking about this microphone honest meeting and annoying sound again I apologize. What were we talking about? Howard Stern Yeah Howard Stern <hes> yeah he was saying Howard Stern is really smart and I said I agree yeah? Howard Stern has a really smart Guy Howard Stern turn it was central paramount to the liberation of self expression on radio and one can't <hes> downplay that just like Michel Dane Montana was really the central in I mean some people credit him with the invention of the personal essay just really self expressing in words beyond the scope of what other people might have thought would have otherwise been sort of like free verse Poetry Autry Kind of Journal entry concept kind of thing <hes> two guys that I admire who really pave the way for free expression free expression is so important to me and I tie that to my thinking on writing writing again in verbal communication and free thought and the importance of not inhibiting people too much with rules I get that we have to have principals principals look? I'm a practical clarification EST who believes in striving towards objectively and non contradictory logic so I'm you're not going to get an argument from me about the the importance of standards and things like that but <hes>. I don't think that there's a need to be pretentious about it and it is interesting if you you listen to something like Howard Stern because he doesn't <hes> present himself he doesn't sell himself. Let's say as like a creative non fiction fiction writer or personal essayist <hes> but if you listen to him talk a lot of times he goes into a mode of monologue styled personal essay off the cuff extemporaneous that brings personal essay so these that's why I got issues with verbal communication and genre to some degree not to say that we shouldn't categorize things and have genres but not to say again that we shouldn't have certain rules and principles but at the end of the day I think what's got to go on is got to be what's on your mind and can you just communicate that effectively the one of the things that frustrated me in my time on the College Voice Student Newspaper was is that it felt like the whole journalism things often really confining even as an opinion page writer columnist because I had a lot of thoughts that were not conventionally what you might think of as journalistic knows contemplating a lot of subjects that might not fit that mold of what and newspaper would publish and I was frustrated because I did want to be a contributor to that newspaper and so there was always conflict between how to spend my time that I want to spend my time really being honest with what was on my mind as directly as possible or did I want to write something that would suit that medium based on the expectations and standards that I thought were confining me and that was like a not cool thing so yeah ever since I started with the whole video ever since I started this right at this. The public comment thing started essentially as video blog. It's now podcast and I just I had this vision. I was really depressed. It was back in as it may April May and there's probably may early May I think and it was feeling really depressed. I hadn't gotten to the creative writing programs. The Creative Writing Program I did get into didn't didn't WanNa pay for me and didn't want to give him a job at teaching assistant shipper graduate assistantship and I had no idea what the hell was going to do. I was caught off guard by that. I did have a good G._P._A.. and was a really devoted student. I'm proud of my portfolio and all these things I maybe it was a little cocky on my part. Fine happens was a mistake but I guess I did imagine I was going to get that graduate assistantship and I didn't so it's taken off guard and is is feeling really depressed about it and I said God you know just <hes> to quote Robin Williams Fuck at all. I just said you know what I just want to express. My thoughts and I don't want to have to conform to anybody's rules about how ought to express my thoughts. I just want to be free to say what I think how I think it and I don't want to get a grade. Uh on it and feel like Oh my God I used to many adverbs or I didn't say it the way this person wanted me to say or wasn't poetic enough or it wasn't journalistic or wasn't blog Indiana for wasn't cool enough or Blah Blah Blah you know so I and that's what really attracts me about Montana and Howard stern but they both come across to me as people who were just really into you know free verbal communication and that's just it's now that I think about it. I think about all the years that have gone through my life when I've had so many things I wanted to say and was always actually really quite shy to about a lot of thoughts on my mind I mean used to be especially around around eighteen about eighteen up till about twenty three I four. I was pretty direct and explicit. President <unk> communicated like still rather fixated on being very open about sex and having that conversation but then after that I got really inhibited. I was so because then I. At when I was twenty five right I had experience I was called the great transformation Sean O'Connor's great transformation was twenty five working at the grocery store making I think nine dollars an hour at the shoprite at at that time and feeling really depressed super depressed I had been a college dropout. I had tried to sell publish a book and sell that that wasn't successful. I had done a you stream webcast video blog talk show concept in that wasn't making you reaching famous and I just felt like this utter failure and it occurred to me my mind was very all over the place and I was <hes> incorrect correct in my epistemological views on knowledge as I didn't think at that point in time there was such a thing as knowledge and I was so it occurred to me I was so disorganized and so lacking in any sense of priorities priorities and so- illogical and so overly flamboyant in my display of sexual thoughts that the I wanted to get as far away from that as I could so I got to a point where I was very guarded and very inhibited and only within the last several months have I really taken a machete at my ambitions and started really saying what it is. I really think about things even when I applied so those of creative writing an essay programs the truth is I wasn't blunt with them about what I really thought. Because the thing is they ask you you know in these statement statements of purpose to talk about your writing influences and I ended up just talking about the poets who influence my writing but the truth is to really understand me as a writer you have to understand in me as a verbal communicator and to really understand me as a verbal communicator you must understand me as a philosopher and you must understand me as a political activist. That's the whole heart behind. This public. Comment podcast is I view myself as both a philosopher and a political activist and everything I do is motivated by those two things and that's just the way I am and so you'd have to I probably would have had to go somewhere that might have made me very unpopular with creative writing programs and that is to say yeah I mean my understanding of logic nick and attempts at objectivity come from Aristotle and Ayn rand as people who therefore have influenced who I am as verbal communicator and also <hes> Michelle Dame Montana and Howard Stern and to a degree <hes> FYODOR Dostoevsky as well and the <hes> voice in his novels have that similar style of verbal communication that I really admire interestingly even in politics as opposed if Donald Trump will end up getting credit for one thing it is the fact that he liberal. I don't WanNA use the word liberated. Though Donald Trump said a lot of things that you've we are I think fell no politician was supposed to say or would say. I don't like to give him credit for that because I think Donald Trump is the worst thing to happen happen to this country in a very long time since like the Vietnam War and the draft and the <hes> atrocities trying to the those people who engaged in the various <hes> discriminatory policies in this country that I mean the list you say Donald Trump I think is very awful in his pathological lies is obstruction of justice his disinterest and basic empirical or logical thinking in his tyrannical impulses all these kinds of things <hes> but if I were to tell you to go back to my days as a politician and or someone who ran for political office three times one of the things I can tell you that I often felt very constrained in my rhetoric as always thinking making calculations like well. This is what I really think doc but if I say this and put it this way I might lose possible voters. That's one reason why I've been think though the irony is even donald trump is probably making some kind of calculations based on that too in his own way right <hes> but my point being that he changed the way we think about political rhetoric not for the better really the you might argue that the silver lining is that now we understand why there's something romantic about diplomacy speak. If you will <hes> anyway the point it being that even during when I was running for political office yeah I would get really paranoid that I would say something that would be misconstrued and hurt my political future as a consequence consequence and now as I think about God how inhibited I was how repressed I was and as I just think about myself now I mean I just go back to this point that one thing I do not want to be is stifled fold and my verbal communication is one thing I hated about working at the grocery store and retail is that there were things you probably didn't WanNa say 'cause you WanNa get fired when I worked at <hes> liquor store for a while and one of the reasons I quit was because it occurred to me how unethical it was to sell to the same guy I think every two days more alcohol solvents are in there. I would ever dare to drink in a day or two days and to me. There was either being upfront with him saying I there's no way I'm going to sell this to you. I'M NOT GONNA partake in this. <hes> destruction of yourself would be that I was going to have to quit. It was GONNA be twisted tune those two things I've always been trying to make moves that would put me in a position to be freer and freer with what I could say because I believe that free speech is one of the most precious gets you can Ayn rand. <hes> has an interesting interesting influence in the idea of free verbal communication for me because of this I will tell you who's writing something down really quick. I just writing down the people as I it's really interesting to me. How no matter how much you outlined something when you do say things out loud you have new thoughts and so you're moved to down some digging about the people who have influence my thoughts on free verbal communication one being Howard Stern one being Michelle de among tenure and another being Ayn rand <hes> because I kn- ran says an essay I will have to find the essay for you in in a future episode <hes> because I didn't think of it until just now? I don't have it on me but she talks about someone asks. I'm pretty sure it's the essay. I'm pretty sure the I forget it isn't essay on how to live rationally in an irrational world or if it was from the book I in Ran Q. and A. That sort of compiles offer interviews but she's asked at some point like how do you address the irrationality in the world around you and in her answer is talk. Talk Talk Talk Talk. Talk Talk Talk. That's all you can do or speak and I think she's right and so that's another thing if you ask you what motivates me it is that it is my hope that through talking and saying verbally communicating my thoughts as they come to me that I am moving the world somehow way shape or form to a more honest place because I'm being honest and standing up for what I believe in through my verbal communication so those are three people also I would have to say Nietzsche really inspires me quite a lot because <hes> I mean he was even though he was <hes>. There's a lot of things we could say new was wasn't and that sort of dairy loaded discussion. I think how to interpret him and I'm not an each a scholar either see it's easy for me to talk a lot about Ayn rand because I've read probably everything she's ever written or despite everything she's ever written. I even have for journals and her letters including every book and I've read it all I spent years just really reading Ayn rand contemplating blading her by the way if you're new to this no I'm not a nine randomest. I'm not an objective Est.. <hes> though I'm also not unilaterally anti everything about Ayn rand I actually think there's a lot that can be gained from contemplating her <hes> so that a Nietzsche scholar but she was very much about a free mind very much Abou- the Dow People Not Thrusting these arbitrary rules on you and I apply that very much so to the way I communicate verbally and think as well did I cover everything I wanted to say on writing at this point and tying into verbal communication as I did then that moves me to the next next topic and I'm not GonNa talk so much about this because this goes over the hour mark and I would like to try to keep these probably not much more than an hour every everyday. Maybe on days like today where I do have a bit of extra time. I'm happy to maybe ticket to ninety minutes but if I have to try not to because your time is valuable. There are other listen to and unlucky that you would give me the time you do. Give me but I told you I was GonNa talk about Kirsten Gillibrand senator of New York and it is important for me to bring that up she had been my top choice for president based on all that I had seen based on what all of the candidates had to say day somebody knew of their records thus far what was most impressive massive to me about her was her ability speaking verbal communication. She is very eloquent in my opinion and also I think very has a really solid sort of philosophical understanding of where we need to move as a country she puts it really well. Understanding that capitalism is such is not the problem but greed is and how greed interferes with the market that we live in today. She understands that she puts it. In such a way whereas for example Bernie Sanders is really goes all out attack on capitalism and a lot of people go on these allowed attacks on capitalism or big business very arbitrarily or not arbitrarily rather oakland with way start by way of stereotype or overgeneralization or victimization or for a scapegoating the rich. I think it's really quite inappropriate. I think good for you if you are able to be financially successful just don't do it by exploiting other people just don't do it through other nefarious various means and I just think that Joe Lebron understands that that sort of nuanced way of thinking about it really well that said <hes> I o special thanks to to <hes> someone who goes by cabin loon on twitter at cabin loon cabin loon brought to my attention article by politico about a scandal within the Gillibrand campaign is written by Alex Thomson Daniel Strauss published on March eleventh did not get a lot of media attention. That's for damn sure because I haven't heard of it and I always have the media on didn't really talk about it so much and it's certainly not something that for example she was asked to answer or four in the last debate. It certainly not something I've heard any pundits talk about but there was a resignation <hes> the name of the article is former Gillibrand aid resigned in protest protest over handling of sexual harassment claims <hes> this goes back to things that happened within Majella brand campaign back in July two thousand eighteen. I'd encourage you to check out the article from politico a good read. It's really well reported really well reported and well written again taking away that concept of writing and actually talking about verbally verbal communication as well. It was verbally communicated really quite well. I WANNA pull up. I take notes on my <hes> Google drive here. I wanted to make sure that I had so there are a few things I wanted to read to you so just a few quick quotes from this article in July of two thousand eighteen a female staffer who wanted to be anonymous alleged alleged one of Jill Lebron's closest aides who was a decade her senior and married repeatedly made unwelcome dances after the senator had told him he would be promoted to a supervisory role over her she also said the Malay regularly made crude misogynistic remarks in the office about his female colleagues and potential female hires less than three weeks after reporting the alleged harassment and subsequently claiming that the man retaliated against her for doing thanks so the woman told Chief Staff Jess faster but she was resigning because of the office's handling of the matter so politico then reached out to jail brand to get a quote from her her and this is what J. Lebron had to say these are challenges that affect all of our nation's workplaces including mine and the question is whether or not they are taken seriously as I have long said when allegations are made in the workplace. We must believe we've women so that series investigations can actually take place we can learn the facts and there can be appropriate accountability. That's exactly what happened at every step of every step of this case last year I told her that we loved at the time and the same is true today two weeks ago however this is in response to watch out brand set politico presented the office with its own findings of additional allegations of inappropriate workplace conduct by this Malik among the claims were that he made a joke about a about rape to a female colleague a person whom the office had failed to contact last summer despite repeated urgings by the accuser Vangel brands office did open a new investigation ultimately dismissed this guy <hes> but the woman who made the initial complaint. This is what she said then politico when I had the courage to speak up about got my harasser I was belittled by her office and then treated like an inconvenience she kept a harasser on her staff until it prove politically untenable for her to do so bottom line. Then the point that I want to make is that it would appear there were serious concerns turns about this guy and that you basically got away with it until there were more and more concerns expressed and that does raise the question of was it a political calculation relation by Gillibrand to get rid of this guy or was there something on kosher about the initial allegations. I don't know but it does seem that there is an awful track record with this guy. I was proud to not being taken seriously so as we're contemplating Jila brand here who you know maybe politico got other quotes that they didn't publish that would would have been more in her defense. I don't know that could have spoken to more to what she would have to say about that. Maybe what I'll do is even call the campaign office and maybe get a comment that might be something interesting to do <hes> but it does seem that <hes> there might be a little bit of hypocrisy on the part of Gillibrand because she is considered like a a metoo senator senator she someone who's really <hes> champions women's rights in these kinds of things and the question is how did this guy get away with harassing. One woman not really lose his job but then other people came forward award and only after a major major media organization put it in their faces all of a sudden he is fired. So why exactly was he given the leeway he was given her than the second chance that he was given what was the nature of that was it because Gillibrand didn't WanNa look bad like what goes behind that. That's something I want to know so I don't know maybe I was wrong and maybe Gillibrand is not as sharp philosophically philosophically as I thought she was. Maybe she's just very eloquent but maybe not maybe she's a good talker but not really a good politician. I don't know again I do believe that it would probably be a good idea to see if I could get her to comment or her campaign to address this in better detail not that I'm trying to say that <hes> I doubt politico not trying to say it out the women again at this point and it's very damning on the part of Jilib Randa they would actually seem however it's also the case that I don't know that Jill Lebron was pressed really aggressively on the issue either that that is to say. There's a quote there but there's no I mean there's no video clip of an interview here that I'm able to look at and I do always want to get as holistic picture as I can. I mean I lean towards <hes> being rather bothered by how this looks and not because look Jill Lebron could have been a lot more her campaign. I think could have been less ambiguous in how they addressed the issue and could have said it was a mistake not to have let this person go initially we regret that or something to pay tribute to the fact that it was not taken seriously perhaps as it should have been <hes> the fact that there is no quote in this politico article addressing that if it's in fact the case that the campaign had nothing to say to that end I am a little troubled because as we do live now in this new to era where people who are speaking out should not be at Magilla brand is supposed to be speaking out on this and not be a hypocrite as you may know she was one of the people who is prominent in calling out for Al Franken Senator Al Franken to resign when there were accusations about his <hes> sexual misconduct misconduct allegations so yeah on a little trouble by Gillibrand and I just wanted to be on the record as saying though in the past I had acted as if she was the greatest candidate among the options I have my doubts at this point and starting to think more about maybe <hes> putting more thought to Elizabeth Warren or even Amy Klobuchar those two senators at this point for today folks. I want to know what you think. Though if you have any thoughts on any of the topics I've discussed. I want to hear what you have to say and I also hope that you would be willing to check out my Patriot page and perhaps contributes a few dollars <hes> you you can go to well. That sounds really bad. I can't even tell you where to go. Can I will you could check out the main podcast site public comment that pod being dot com and you could find me that away or you could go to patron dot pod bean dot com slash public comment and you could donate right there to the public comment podcast and help make this a hey more prominent podcast and compete with the other one out there against so much if you thought again put them out there. If you criticisms I mean if I didn't touch on something enough. There are probably other things I would have liked to go into. I'm really interested in for example <hes> the beat poets and Charles Bukowski. They play a role in my thought on verbal communication as well.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 14

Ariel Helwani's MMA Show

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 14

"Yeah. Hello everyone. It is area. Awani, and it is April seventeen thousand and nineteen. Welcome to a brand new episode of the reporters. And if I'm being truly honest with all of you. I'm giddy right now because this is going to be fun. This is going to be a special on my friends. Let's not waste any time. Here, you know, sometimes I do the show with people who are on the phone back in Bristol this time. It's just one on one face to face. Joining me in our little studio here near city is one of the godfathers of European combat sports coverage, and I should just say godfather of combat sports coverage truly because he has been covering the world of boxing and mixed. Martial arts in particular, since I was I think in diapers. Really? I mean, this man is on me present is often imitated never duplicated. He is inevitable. He is the one and only Gareth Davies of the Daily Telegraph. Of William Hill of talksport. What else what am I missing here Gareth? Well, what an intro. Yes. What an intro. Well deserved. Listen unite known each other longtime, and that was very very very nice of you. And you also known as the Warlock. Look kind of food panda all those. Yes, we've had a lotta fun yet. I worked for fighters only magazine as you say, you know, William Hill all over the place just do as much can on as much mixed martial arts and boxing as I can. And as you know, it's incredibly busy world out there now with so many broadcasters. I I've done fight sports. Twenty eight years started writing twenty years ago, and for me, I think this is the busiest periods with broadcasters with interest with filings with renowned fighters around the world, and we've ever had you must know that time to combat. It's fun. It's a great time to be in the combat sports business at our stage where you can ring someone up and going sit with them in their training camp. And they want you there and the accesses extraordinary and the journey is so enjoyable because we you know, we might get a proper job one day. Do you know what I mean? I know this is. Our work, and you have to completely put your life into it. I go out the morning about three I'm because filed on a story about Jaramillo testing positive for drugs. The fight on June the first here at Madison Square Garden Antony Joshua the box of the British heavyweight who hold through the world, title belts. He's making his American debut. So big deal on dissolve on. You do that story overnight. You go to bed for few as your wake up you re doing it for the newspaper and in a back page column on the exodus of boxes to America when it was dominant in the UK a couple years ago, and I'm like running together Nuba putting on a finer Mercedes' runnings over to get here. And I'll run back in riot piece on turns girlfried later, it's e you have to live this industry. I'm catching up fights. I didn't see it. The weekend is brilliant UFC two three six of and I had the main card live, but this so much going on Clarisa Shiels, Christina hammer at the same time partner. Great performance stream. Both donor watching them. You know, it's it's an amazing time Ariel. And and you know, you give me the big singing. I I've worked very hard for a very long time on a lot of sports, and hopefully tell the stories of fighters that people lights, no and of watched the kind of industry grow. And what you grow fan. Congratulations to you to be sitting say, it's a little cubicle. But it's an enormous gray metal building sitting on the edge of the Hudson is yeah, I couldn't even find it was number eighty nine isn't that along the the seaport here is the biggest building in for about three mile radius? I couldn't find it. But it's an enormous place to be and this is where the drive and the passion of us little people that we all really in the sports gets the sport resonating out there because a lot of fighters on the best at telling the stories. That's what we do. Well, few do it better than you. And it's so great to be here with you. It's great to get the do this because we've talked about doing things a lot. But you're so busy that you often just Ditto you. Yes. And it hurts. So Finally, I I was going to get you on the hour and Gareth podcast because that's the other thing. I do with our John's was a reality TV star huge social media following tattooed. Like, there's only a tiny body like a mosque on his face. That's not tattoo. Do you know what I mean? Everything else is being discolored or colored or an audio podcast with him. And we really want to get you on with. But when we go video because we we're just ordeal. Need to see this. Before we get to everything that's going on everything that you're doing. You are in New York for Amir Khan vs Terence Crawford. Amir Khan coming over as you said a lot of the British boxers now fighting here in the states that's happening to Saturday Madison Square Garden here New York City, and it's on ESPN pay per view. So it's very synergistic. If you will help big of a deals this because obviously Crawford considered by many the pound for pound best in in boxing, three. Anyway, con- is is a legend in his own, right? But maybe a little bit passes prime. How big of a deal this fight back home for you? I'm it's a big deal because all the national newspapers here, which is still very strong kind of seven or eight guys the BBC here BT sports here. So it's got full coverage talks border here in onto my show without him. Catch do it with every week through the often BBC doing the live broadcast. It's on TV on BT sport. It's a big deal because I'm con- is a big deal. Yes. He's is on the downslope. He's over the hill. He's a year old in Crawford with. Kind of cruel by the way, top three pound for pound for one. I think it's probably Aloma chanko. Okay. You know, just because of his sublime skills and in to. Pu I I wanna say some potentially Cannella, but it's probably cruel for dispense Crawford Lama chanko Cannella probably Alexander, and they're all kind of fight here. Yeah. Ole fighting here, the access is America's where the big big bucks ours. Where the big pay per view is continent. You guys are prepared to pay. And this is a war that's going on now with design ESPN, plus for that digital streaming future that mobile as they call it future. The this is this is where people in the UK paper views a third of the price. Yes, we're getting bigger numbers two stadiums. But if you cross over in America, you've really made it as a sports star. He can't do it in Europe. Joe Kelsey gadston at the end of his career with against Roy Jones junior and Bernard Hopkins, Ricky Hatton came and did it Lennox Lewis. All those guys Nazeem hammered, Rick. You know, luckily amick on call fraught even to certain ext. Then you've got to make in America British books an amicus on came early. He was the first prominent British Muslim Pakistani sportsmen to resonate in the country. And he was a seventeen year old. He won the silver medal in Athens. And it really did resonates, and he's maybe big cultural figure than he is just a sporting figure, you know. So you have to put him in that context. Okay. And so that's happening this weekend. But also as you just to ask you about this because it's actually something that is is very much. In the news in our sport in different ways. The big baby Miller story comes out late last night via Dan Rayfield of his PIN and others of confirmed, including yourself that he has tested positive via vodka the voluntary anti-doping gay to he's fighting in June against the great Anthony Joshua of England where do things stand here in that. Because I think a lot of fans don't recognize that with vodka. Unlike you Sada, unlike the Vatican commission your ecstatic option they don't suspend right? They test though announce that you've tested positive, but they won't suspense where things stand with by the way for combat sports fans, big baby. Former kickboxer who has fought the likes of Mirko CRO cop back in the day. So there is a relation to our little world here where things stand. Yeah. Well, bright knows the the decision the basal being requested. Apparently, I'm hearing from blocks of Dmitry Salita who's who's Jarrell Milberg by Milas code. Promoter. I think they it can take up to two weeks for that based on to come back, the New York State Athletic Commission, you know, the statutory government body. It's we don't have that in the UK off sports organizations non-statutory statutory, whereas they are in America. I think it's a brilliant thing because it's part of the government arm and the states they will make a decision on a kennel say them if this tested positive, and there's no had adverse reasons or really serious reasons how this has been mistaken this GW fifteen sixteen substance. I am not an expert on drug-taking or drugs. But the I do believe it's you know, they they did a test on in two thousand seven with with mice. And they they will performance in haunts with micro bites, and it was banned with water. The world anti doping agency who choose by Olympic standards. What we fight his, oh, people or athletes, should it shouldn't be taking. So he's done something wrong. Whether it's adversely whether it's deliberately whether it's by mistake with with a supplement. Don't know the the levels of it yet. We haven't got all that detail. But I suspect he's kind of crazily having earned. I think million a half in his best flight before this is getting light six million US dollars. That's life changing life sustaining, you know, Hera dish in right there that kind of money, and you know, it was and the chance of winning three world title belt. So is I it's it's impossible to understand it. But at the same time as boxing and his fight sports. And we say, and you can bring up numerous names, you know, John Jones is my dirty secret. You know, he's tested positive things. I just cannot wait same fights again. So where do they stand think he'll be out of the fights spoke to this morning? Just for came. Here was writing new story real. And you know, he said, look, we've anyone talk fifteen, but we just want the biggest best name now possible and Joshua said to him first thing he said, he was the first person he rang when her and found out about it from vodka was as the. Motor was I still wanna fight get me an opponent. Okay. This was a story last week in our sport with TJ dillashaw, very interesting testing positive for a complete different substance EPO TJ, by the way, I thought came out and handled it as well as he very good peo- was they they the the the whole said bolted but managed to grab hold of its tail as it was leaving. And I think they very good job bring that press release out. Yeah. So did his master in one of the gyms as well. I thought they did him. No favours. We talked about this last week with Jalen bread, but chill and Brett, I know who's chill the bad guy on a bad guy. He's a Mench Conway him to find New York leisure. I love child. No, I love Machida. But it's just interesting when this stuff comes out, and I know it's a little different with as opposed to use it on your ecstatic. So's curious to get the update there. Now, you told me just before we went on it you travel everywhere. So let's get back to the enemy stuff. You last week? You are. Northern California on assignment. And this is an incredible story tells what you are doing or perhaps I should say what you were attempting to do. This is amazing stuff. It was like come. It was odd coal in search of Stockton inst- in search of the boys of Stockton. The you know, who they are Nick Knight. As I was often Nate Diaz a for an into Nate days to cover story full fighters only magazine, which is still going as a great magazine, I've been involved with it for about twelve years now consultant editor, and it's still worth doing those big deep stories of just omen Henry. So who does well by covering himself in modern begging in the streets that he's never told people about when he was younger to get a little model car set. And that's that was his determination. He said, I'm not proud of this by too much from from the waterside cover my body with it, and I beg like a beggar in the street years and years ago Arizona because he was determined. He was kind of expressing the context he was expressing his determination. And it's lovely to go deep and the ability to still right long form three thousand word pieces with these guys and see them in a magazine. So anyway, I I headed up to staying San Francisco girlfriend who lives in San Francisco, and I decided to revisit the scrap pack as they were Cesar Gracie. Gil Melendez Jake shields, Nick Knight deers, and then not obviously they've all grown up and gone the separate ways, and that children families and their own gyms and become very famous people in your remember Heyhoe me. He will remember that moment with you, Nick. And and I like both of them are just joke with them life. You don't so might phone those those are bleeps there, by the way, I'll stick on your car, and they love their their they've become cult heroes in our sports, and they are very famous, and they they can dictate terms in many ways. And what people love about them is that they are thin tick there will to where they come from. And there will send him what they believe in even though they are there suburbs. They all counterculture, but they are extraordinarily her, roic, and brilliant. Around as you know, a not being around the many times. Sometimes I don't wanna bother don't want to bother interviewing them. It's wanna hang with them. Because that's what they are that people to hang with that quote stone. Do you know what I mean the that? They they use symbols anyway. So I went in search of of Nate Diaz under the annual probably me straight on this under the under the guise of he is coming back this summer, and he's either gonna fight Kabeba resort either gonna fight Conor or late in the summer of success. September's coppee. Yeah. So I sat out I contacted Gil spoke to Gill who's brilliant with of big piece with killing his wife carrying their El Nino training centuries, amazing in San Fran you've been there. I've never been down. It's down in the hoods down in Cesar Chavez, third avenue. It's like, but you know, -mongst kind of like call garages, and they said, no, we used to be further in the hood is this huge hangar, and they are really quite beautiful people are very innocent. And she's very strong. That child is there, and it's a really cool Jim in really could neighbor doing loads of social work with local schools, and brilliant story Sony. I spoke to Gil I said what's happened in the you guys feel as something in the air. Could we have the whole scrap pack back because three of those four and Jake shields all the other still under contract with your see they've long gone since I'm from Cesar Gracie. So spoke to what about the scrap pack against SPG Connor knol Seminoles Conor McGregor. Not and people know the surnames these people on this show. So I don't really say them, call Conan autumn and all these guys have fights with with with all these guys. They really enthusiastic spoke to kill about spoke to Jake about it the next day. Jake shields who was snowboarding and I've said to them both. I'm going to go up and see Nate. Because I want him to be the focal point of it because he is the one, and they all agreed in this. When when they all had big fights. I was I think you with on the night that. Jake foots George saint-pierre in Toronto wasn't. It's fifty five thousand members sitting up in the golds and going down to row seat, a a twelve. That's when I was in favour row right in the middle of the media row. And you know that night where George used his jab brilliantly stuffed in Jake couldn't get him. He failed at the big on the big one nicktator didn't beat Condit's. He didn't beat George saint-pierre. But Nate Diaz really stepped up and beat Conor McGregor. And it was a brilliant performance. And they all say that as glory moment. And I think there's a failing amongst all four. They're gonna come together and start training, and they had a couple of days for so sore picture, I of Nate's kill and and Jake training. I texted nates, and I said I'm going to come out and see you in the days academy. And it's like come back. Yeah. Bra when you come in through when you come through come to the gym come through. So I went up there. I made the journey from San Francisco drove up that was getting kind of hunters. Thompson like at this point. Because I was thinking I'm gonna drive up there. Seventy mile drive Mara was but Willie really be there. You know? And I was pondering on the weapons pondering when I went see all of them seven years ago down in concord and interview them all in one day as scrap pack and I chase Nick around the gym for five Nick around the gym for five hours and just as I needed to leave to catch a plane a managed to get him. And I asked two questions and he spoke for forty five minutes. Do know what I mean, he was amazing because I sets out the fact that I'm a huge fan of you. And I feel very protective about you sometimes, and I just want you to express yourself with me, you know, you can trust me, and I will make this piece saying he REM he reminds me of books by friends kaffa where the human condition is trapped inside this place, they can't escape from. And I feel that with Nick sometimes, you know, what I mean? And yet there's something genius about him. And he is probably pound pound the best of those four fighters, if I'm honest because of the chin, the pull daily fi all the you know, what I mean what he's done bicyle. And now, he's a triathlete. So go up there. It's about their about midday. Nick Diaz training, kademi driven around Lodi. And Stockton of come into the kademi looks like a bullet hole in one in one of the glass, probably somewhere someone's kicked her in the close. Jim really nice gym the children's Saturday morning. Classes are all over a speed Cerruti Hernandez who's running the gym. And I say was was Nate dares was expecting Sam. And he was like, oh, no he's not here. Now, he's gone off somewhere. I think so I take a picture myself outside the academy. I post it on Twitter and stick it on Instagram. I think he follows me on Instagram, and I thought well, I'm gonna hang around. I went to Starbucks round the corner wins the coffee house. I went to a mall just up the road to granny's and children might coffee ball guy. And they all they all new the day as brothers, and they all knew Kron Gracie who's training there with them had a great win over slogans Caseros, just recently and AJ I is fantastic. A young man lost his ballot. Oh debut. So Rudy gives me axioms number because I'm chasing. 'cause he staying NICD as house see where they are exam. No back from nine unim- interviewing everyone in the area than than text knows later. I get a phone call hang about do my due diligence. It's kind of like a by that point Nick Broomfield Dr documentary filmmaker or like a Louis through I feel like I'm on the Louis through the camera with me. So I've I've done due diligence have driven around of scene where they're from. And I decide I'm going to drive back through the delta over the bay. Lots of bridges little bridges farmland that the Diaz brothers used to go on a journey from Stockton to concord lots about fifty sixty mile journey to train receive Gracie and his Jim 'cause he was the one that really brought them up and they was sixteen and fourteen at the time. And so made that journey I was reflecting on how they've. Stayed quite parochial in a way to you know, what I mean, they're not they're not obeying, and they've stayed really true to that Welsh route. So as driving back AJ Gazon rings, Manny still in town, you come and see me, you know, I'm like I'm already halfway out, man. I gotta get back. My gulf. I've got dinner girlfriend lights, blah, blah, blah of being up in the road for six seven hours or eighty and AJ is is like, man. I'm so sorry about this. You know, you could we had lunch. And you know, he didn't say that next house with news at Nick's house. They just on a triathlon together the week before him, Nick. So we had a good chat. Anyway, and he said look spring this. We feel that something in the air Nate's coming back. You know, Gil wants to come back hasn't fought for year and half the first time in his career, Jake still very active, you know, and is like one of the young proteges, isn't it? Living the lifestyle. So we had a child put the phone down of us instant stuff. So I drove all the way back to concords. And then just getting I got text from from Nate's. I'm the exact texture sincere. It's quite funny bra. So no, I think he went was. Bre I'm so sorry Mogole forgot set on McGaw was taken out to a policy in the bay. So I'm thinking, you know, this point, I don't really wanna speak speech. AJ zome said the something up sees a Gracie are Chatou said these boys have got their own gyms. They made enough money. They don't need to fight. If they don't have to you never know. They're always warriors. And they'll stay warriors. Jay, Jake shields towards about her Nate's in the gym, everyday Gill said about this great successes had and they all wanna come back, and at the end of sat down and look at look in my mind, and looks at what I had on paper from people I've spoken to and it's actually made a really good on of travel, log if you like of chasing the day as is in a way, it was better. Not having that quotes in the piece in the and you know what I mean? Yeah, sure, I could sit here and listen to talk about these guys and this story for an hour. It's stuff when does that come out that will be in the next issue of fighters only because the Nathan those boys on the cover? I'm I don't actually know probably in about a month time. Yeah. I what's your instinct. By the way, just about say, I didn't think he is coming back. Yeah. I do think he wants to come back. I don't think it will be against Habib Ramada made up though, I think it will be. He wanted the Connor fight. Even though he said, otherwise, I think Conor wanted that fight. I don't know if that fight is going to happen. I know there couple names that are of interest to him. I don't think he wants to cut down to one fifty five if he doesn't have to. I think an interesting matchup fun, being honest is Anthony Pettus. That's always been. I was looking at old Nate interviews yesterday. And he was talking about Anthony Pettus five six years ago. Pedestal good at one seventy he sort of a new player there. There's like a bigger than you think can realize when you meet pets his, but right now at once seventy there's like, you know, the the championship wait in the sense that there's camario and Woodley and Covington aspirin Mazda, but then there's like the fun one seventy division, and that is Pettus, right? An also. But also when it comes down to it the fights the things people talk about. Yes, you talk about how brilliant GSP was did up some brilliant five. I don't know why mention just paper you can talk about people being champions. But it's slightly. Ones. We saw the weekend. Two three six people radioman, particularly the the middleweight fight share. But for me in the course of my my journeys with them an in the kind of like, the fantasizing I did with kill Melendez about the cards you create with those guys. I think what I'd like to see and this. This would be the big super codes that you have could not match with anyone else at the moment, and it will be Khabib against Nate Diaz and Nick de as against Conor McGregor as the co main event don't think Nick wants the fight. But can you imagine how big that will be the biggest that would that's two hundred million? I have do you don't think I don't know if there's love interest in Nate versus hubby because we know how the brothers against wrestlers like that. That's a very one we saw that Ben Henderson against Nate. We saw that she is against there's there's just no way they can hang with those guys. So that's why avenue Peres is of great interest to me because that will be a fun striking match, right? Get it. No, no. I get the fans. Remember, great fights. Yeah. So let me ask you this past weekend. Lanta Georgia you've been around this game. A long time. You have seen every fight of the last thirty years as a journalist. You've also seen every fight. I mean, your historian in many respects, I am in all of Israel Sonya. I feel like he is on the cusp of being a superstar like he's obviously a star. Now, an an an I think already one of the faces of the of see I think his fight against Robert Whitaker is going to be a gigantic deal. I think they could sell seventy eighty thousand tickets over the edge. Most it would be ludicrous to have that fight here guard. Gloria you have to have that fight stralia. I'm an odd. This man, I'm an off that fight. I'm an off what he did in the fifth round. I'm off coming gasoline. I don't wanna take anything away from coming guests on the heart. The will the determination that he showed in that fight. Nothing short of amazing. But I'm just so impressed with Israel, not only as a fighter, but how he conducts himself. The interviews how he speaks. How he talks about John Jones. He is smart. He is calculated. He is fun. He is inter -taining. Do share this excitement. You share this admirations that I have is route Sonya. No, definitely he's a special talent in in in the kind of. In the in the line in the lineage of Anderson Silva, John Jones. Yeah. I come clean of always been close with Kelvin gasoline. When I probably my house I wanted him to win 'cause Isaac. I think Kelvin will will win the belts at some point. I never knew that our very close Kelvin. And I had no idea what? 'cause he was big might salute bonnet who I'm friends with they were tough together. And I've done podcasts with Kelvin before an ino-, again spent time going with them knows story knows an extraordinary human being, you know, Reno what love he had from his mother in a very tough, poor upbringing in Zuma Zuma's and Huma humus or you you marriage. Sorry. Yeah. Yuma. And you know, it's he he's, you know for admire is like he's like the George phrase. The Joe Joe Frazier of the heavyweight division. He's a really small middleweights like really small, but what I loved in that fight was because when he was taking over in the middle session of the fights. He descend you bayton what I learned about design. Your is. I didn't believe in him having the champions halt and the resilience. And you know, the tenacity that he genuinely has against a very pernicious foe today. Word. Yeah. We'll we'll Kelvin gasoline is of very dangerous manza fights in as we saw incredible chin and Addison you went and went on went until he had physically told gasoline. His brain was telling him his body catoon. No more unto that against them hill. He may not be the same to that fight. Yeah. Like, you'll Romero hasn't fought since his fighting. It's rubber Whitaker or Whittaker hasn't fought since we have seen fights change people member ROY McConnell took a year before he came back and didn't even look like himself when he came back. So yes, we've seen this before. Do you think by the way that he can be Robert Whitaker? Is it seems like every time Israel fights? It's like, okay. But the next one he'll be exposed at reminds me a lot of Connor in the sense that every step people don't believe him, but continues to prove his wrong. I think the human nature when you watch it with. I think what what happens with Israel is you'll wired to look at. What was he's six foot four in the middleweight. Yeah. Beanpole Bill these incredibly well. But it's you know, he's he's very versatile. He's he's an extraordinary kickboxer. He he looks comfortable with the ground stuff with Kelvin's. Well, but Calvin was hurt by then to be honest wasn't. It really is is take down defense for that little technical looked brilliant. I thought on the nights I was shocked by it. It was so good. Yeah. Great wrestler. He really is on guy. And he kept Mariah whole away. When he was a tiny guy. You know, when the tough finale when whole by wrestling, I waltz I didn't like to hear about Israel on Saturday night in Atlanta, Georgia was the post fight press. Cones people with throwing the idea of John Jones in fine John Jones as weight divisions for a reason. And for me, he just got I think he'd get dismantled and pigs appalled by John Jones middle heavyweights. Step too, far the moment. You also about what sokaia I'm trying to think of the shapes moving. But you know, I give give out a son. You're an amazing chance in that fire, and especially because Whitaker has been inactive. But you bring up the John Jones thing I love the tonight's. If he had Paul his officer. I've had a a hernia search have had it's not fun collapsed bowel an nearly had that as well when I was only sixteen but he played on sheriff on through having the tone intestine, and he's very lucky is alive. Absolutely. And that's why I wonder how he's gonna look I love the dynamic between the two because Whitaker doesn't talk trash. He's very saw Spokane guy you could tell Israel's getting under his skin a little bit. And Israel says things about him. And he gets what love about it is it's a very regional flight. But it is a big deal. Like they're talking about things like Mazi. I don't know what these things are learning about it through them about this fake Kiwi. And all this stuff. I love it. Because this is a part of the world that hasn't been in focusing in our sport. But then you. The John Jones thing up Israel to me is getting the better of John Jones. He says on Saturday. I'm not talking about him. Now, this is about me and Kelvin he says on Monday on my show. John Jones, you know, he was doing this with the nose candy. He was hiding under his he's Israel. You. On you as a product of the internet and Israel Sonya knows. He is smart of anyone that John Jones has ever gone up against that. He is going places that he doesn't go on. Yeah. But my my physically, but but then what at the end not yet. Right. Not yet. Jones will be heavyweight by the time. You think so? Yeah, I listen. So you think this never happened? No. I don't I don't think that. Oh, no. I don't think it never happens. Because if there's a resonance on the on the internet's the sea will pick up on it, and they will run that fight because they're all about when it'd be missed mistake to do it. Now. It's no you can't to it. Now. There's no point doing it, Nara. These museum on the belt yet. Remember, you know, he's the he's the interim isn't he I mean, you not considered three hour show moaning about interim. But although on Saturday, it was for a reason it was not as was the other interest because Cabela's suspended till September. So October to be exact buzzer. He's going to return in September. Probably. Dhabi? That's the plan, by the way, you believe does support it will get him next because I don't believe it. I think that's what they're saying. But you're telling me if Connor comes on and really banks drum and says, I want that fight you're telling me if Tony Ferguson 'cause they don't consider it. You know, what I mean, you're mentioning Nate like I feel dust importing now has to work not as hard as he was working before to get this shot. But he's still like this is in federal complete like at sign Whitaker is do agree with that. Which is unfortunate because I think he's earned it. I'm just opposed for mindfulness. It's lovely to be hitching is the blast. Right. Yes. Mean, I know important so can forty five minutes, it feels like two minutes. His thing about Dustin the diamond Poiret, I've been a fan of his since I watch fight villain. If you're listening even never seen it go and get the DVD. It was probably on Netflix or something now as well. Gotta DVD. It's it's a real old school. I love you know, like coming in the name of the Aniston, silver one is water. Yes. I'm all of those, you know, wrecking recognition smashing machine. All these old going go. Find them fight Ville about Dustin grow up in Louisiana and not even just Dustin. But the characters in this crazy, Tim crater has coach whose real characters lovely guy. I dunno kinds of met as neighbor is a is an amazing guy that is that in days, you I've been indeed to Dustin since a watch that 'cause he's like you just see his life, and you see how bleak it was and see whether come from like, hey, fields. Do not mean Louisiana, and like just fighting on the farms in bonds and billionth that we had that because I feel like we're emotionally invested in his journey so others so invested right. So I mean saw his humble beginning when I met him than to I you know, 'cause you and I've interviewed him many times I've been probably twelve years since then ten years, maybe and he's one of those Roby Lola light characters in terms of his career projection and the kind of growth of his career. He could he's probably in that final run. In right now. He's very matures. Manny makes wait really. Well, he thinks beautiful family. He's he's just a downright good guy. Whenever you say is tough as nails. He's a country. Boy, his toughest nails. But he's become raw the on the reasoning goods and any fighter. If you're up against a a south pole aggressive counterpuncher you're in danger because you have to fight them societies. Loma chanko is why he so brilliant because one Amethi vase Aloma Schenker. The cranium double gold medallist three Welsh champion thirteen fourteen Pfizer pro he's incredibly adept. He's like the matrix because he's a creates angles with his with his waist. He's an aggressive south for a switches as well is aggressive southpaw, who is brilliant punching so less you can find a way of unlocking you're gonna lose you ought to jump on him and change what he's doing. And I think this what pirated brilliant the other night. And that's what he's become good at. In the sense of Z a good match for Khabib. Yeah. Maybe but I think. To go back to the original point. If Conor McGregor wants a fight with Nate's, Nick there will be able if any of them available with KEB the UC to it straight away. It's such a big fight. Yeah. This is a sports but more than that. It's a business and don't ever forget. That is a business and we see in very crude ways. It's times, you know. Call me against brought less now for me. It is like a joke. Right. It's a joke. I won't Jones versus coma heavyweight. That's my fan request. You know? Yeah. No. I absolutely Dustin is one of the good guys as you just said, and that was a great moment. Like, yes, I knows an interim belt, and I've been very critical of the term titles, but see him get that title to see what he's doing for that foundation back home and donating the money to to build this this playground for disabled children and to see that documentary back in the day. How could you not be happy to him versus max was a hard fight to watch. 'cause they're both such great gentlemen. Right. Outta Sonya and gasoline as well. I mean, those those two comportment if that would never used the components of the fighters, the the I was reminded why gentlemen, fighters, absolutely, right. And I love those moments as well area. When he reminded of those with Israel and his coach on the ground hugging. Each other. Like that is why we love this. Look, I'm not saying that I don't have the trash talk. I'm not saying that I don't love the poking the trash talk. It's fun. But there are times when that is just so refreshing and just what the doctor ordered right? Yeah. Well, at the end of the day, it's the whole reason why do this. I think you know, much as I love living luck, an international roof stone covering the fight worlds. The the the the the narrative of people's journeys, the triumph of the human spirits while of Paralympics school. I was mentioned to you is the same thing. Witnessing the triumph of of the human spirit when people have come from very difficult background. So I interviewed Daniel Strauss recently. What a story Sean crooks in both in ballot. Oh, what a full each other recent as you know. I mean, I go away with TIs in my eyes. My with the hands on my spine standing out with some of these guys because I know that there's only about two percent of people at like fight schools in the whole world where we're in a minority world here, we're subculture, and you know, we'll have to step outside. It's why we read time magazine Willison CNN news, or it isn't a, you know, some people listen to sports center because they've got other things on L. The euro was on there these days, whatever in a ball your own full center. Thank you. The the, you know, the big picture is the bigger picture from what we do the love of fight sports in these people pitting themselves at a certain way to the Sutton time in place against each other and bearing their kind of spiritual warrior souls is the there is a bigger picture out. There is the ripple effects of that person on that community on in that ghetto in in in on the children who watched who say I can do that people Henry. So who does really inspiring in that way as well? That is the big picture for us. And we both love telling those stories because it resonates with grandmothers, and you know, and sisters children because they go, wow. To person really have to go through that. And you know, there's a there's a there's a spectrum isn't there a voice a first world problem in third world or an eighth world problem? But I think we must never lose sight of the fact that these people are individually proving. Themselves that the going they're working through things themselves putting themselves on the line? They're entertaining us. It is a business. But there is a bigger picture that we can project into well. And the moments of gentlemanly conduct the projects that people do against knife crime. And also as brilliant, and it's a pleasure to be involved in it. I actually know joking said as before I get emotional Monday evenings when I go home after doing my show on Monday nine to ten fighters have taken time out of there. We also we'll emotional for you. I appreciate. I know mean, no. But I'm like, I feel so honored. And so blessed that these men and women would do this. I'll give you a couple of examples Maltin Murray's as tough as nails books from from Saint Helen's used to kind of still calls get drunk tool kinds of crap, you know, him and his wife gem our of social workers. Now in the thrill kids Maltin admits is his house once. Yeah. And while the lie they come to studio I like to go to books as houses James Gaels house, recently and Malton Zion in his jock strap in the Garros. You know, I'm packing got him standing there. You know, he's putting the kids to bed I'm saying all of this. And it's you know, speaking to his wife, and those kind of privileges that we get to like you talk to people immediately after fights on a Monday morning. They they wanna come on your show because it is the big show. It's the big show for its the Goto. The the end of a weekend is a massive privilege because you know, the those people are in entrusting us with with with. With the kind of vary. The seminal moment in their lives in some ways. So when you got the access in someone's house to Baram's the genera, Bob Arum's hotel. We today to meet him and his wife and do some photographs in his hotels down in fifty four street. Very push Otello, what mention it, but you know, he's got huge apartment, and I'm talking to him about growing up in Brooklyn. And being you know, amongst Jewish kids growing up what they have these to run around in Brooklyn, then going to haul them working for the Kennedy administration and him talking about what it was like being around the Black Panthers. Muhammad, Ali and unlikable. It's just did just just how rich sport is. I mean, boxing goes, you know, Banoco boxing was banned in eighteen thousand nine in America and office back now, and I'm kind of a little against it. I not gain Hamid because the other day. I didn't enjoy the autumn of Jason fight. They'll take because it was so badly cut off to its and I. You know, but but boxing and fight sports and race and culture, and you know, the heavyweight championship it's the so much kind of history bound up in that the growth of people's in America and around the world, and how black and white of come together. Do think on all playing failed fights foods, you just hope? I don't find. There's a lot of racism, for example. I don't a talked about racism with Mola woes. He's educating me about how black fighters cold when the called a beast or we work as hard as white fighters. But wickel the beasts 'cause we're black commitments of those bodies just just projection reflection and the intelligence that can be created around fights full. So I just think is extraordinarily an echoes back to my point about Israel. I'm in every time of these men and women, and it's different. And I think people who don't love combat sports like we do don't quite get it because it's all job to tell them. Sure. Sure. I love the NBA. I love basketball. Annoy Joan she so you'll have to make me love it. But if I possess the talent that say LeBrun James has I could envision myself doing that. If I possess the courage and the lettuce ZIM that say Kelvin gasoline has I don't have that DNA in my body to step in a cage have someone close the door behind me. And do what they did on Saturday. Do you know what I mean? I do or don't put you in this way. I'm granddad. Now is you know, you know, and my kids you go three little kids, as you know, little growing the way I played, you know, you know, me I'm a little bit rough and tumble. You know? I'm very physical and play rugby in a very aggressive. I was very sportsman. You know, done some all Scholz. Now, I'm not either someone have to hit me a few times to get going. But then I'm going I'm going, you know, that I'm sticking a bomb under your car. No, really. And I'm gonna I'm gonna barbecue your grandmother. She never saying Chiltern metaphors Yasha images. Solta? I'm what I'm saying. Is if someone came to your children. Imagine intensifying energy into protecting. And you can do and you wouldn't you will you would not run. I know that value because I know how much you love your family, and you wouldn't you protect them you'd get shot for them you'd fight someone for them whether you'll being hacked to death. You would. And I think what I admire in the Pfizer's is that they've, you know, rather like, we don't get nervous when we go on TV radio x 'cause we've done it so much, and hopefully we can make sense because I'll brains a worrying inau an on voices aecom and composed and thought so hopefully interesting those guys do that with adrenaline, and they control it. And that's what I admire. I'd like to be able to say, yeah, I do wanna fight that guy. I need a reason. And that reason is price fighting it's money, and it's the belts. And that guy saying that that's then and that is what admiring them to be able to tighten that energy and say, I'm going to take the blows because it's clear when the adrenaline pumping. You don't feel pain. I know in rugby we never felt. You never felt when you bassin cricket. You guy by bull. You don't feel the pain even though that bowl comper? I've broken my on playing before, you know, you don't feel it at the time and the fi- that's what I love about the fighters. They've got that old into a narrow and deep channel. And the because we say it just in pari that get more experienced bane to the well before they know where they are in the fights in that moments in the fourth at the Sanya pulling out like John Jones did against Gustafson in that fourth fifth round spinning back. Elbow full losing the fire. Interim was against any. But it's not brilliant genius to be able to change the pattern because what they've done that. So experienced what they're doing the that heart rate is still low. That's what admire and all those things to be able to it must be you know, and that failing when they talk about when you won't. So the cage. I mean, we'll never experience it unless we do like each other on the white collar fight. But we both getting too old. And you know, you know. Not the head kick be like ten seven first round. Saying is that when Drennan comes in slows and like you've given yourself already giving yourself to death. You've given yourself to whatever is because they do have to compartmentalize all those things, and it's just the joy of you going with that person and the moment slowing, and you've prepared so hard you go in the gyms. I'll go the gyms these guys so hard in the background CMS count full times in the build up to this five seen his body. Change seen as mentality changes is shopping this week in five weeks. So just just magical to around because it's so different from anything else. I love it. And it's interesting because you have season Saint Petersburg Russia this weekend, right ouster over him Alexia Lennick, you can watch it on ESPN plus and obviously Russia's in Europe. And why I'm so excited to have you on today and why I'm joined the so much. Honestly, this is heavenly for me. And I hope you don't think I am I'm being facetious when I say, no, no, no, no toolan, I believe and I Jake about the older. As what you're about to say. You mean when the sport was a little simpler? Oh, yeah. I believe that you aunt Evans of the you have C for a longtime PR marshalls allows neck, and Michael bist, bang are responsible for building the sport in Europe. And of course, in particular in the UK, but what you guys did with many different jobs, right? Like like biffing is the fighter Marshall was the executive aunt Evans. Who is not a household name. But trust me when I say, he was instrumental in us journalists, you guys you really did special stuff there. And I think the sport and the fans they're all four of you that gratitude really bothered me few weeks ago. Dana was doing an interview and took some shots Marshall because a comedy said about the UC, which I don't think we're were mean-spirited. But he now works for glory Marshall, I know was in a longtime MMA guy, he was a an executive in the paper of your business. But you guys did great work. And so I'm wondering now with you know, the sports so big. But with Michael been getting the nod to be in the hall of fame if you have great memories from those days when no one cared about Emma. They're now they're they're going to the to going to Russia. They're talking about big events here. And there those early days when you guys were trying to gain acceptance and recognition what was that? Like, it was it was all about changing perception. And, you know, thank you for those comments. And you're right. A lot of people put the next on the book, those people you mentioned the next on the book for it because it was seen as books scruffy cousin though, the dockside at the time I'm happy to crossover to the dog side bay. And it was it was a great journey. It was a very small company. Then I mean, I think are pretty much remembered knew the names ordinance of youths. You know, one point up to light two thousand ten probably seventy seven the fights on the entire roster or you knew them by name by face. I started covering combat sports about two thousand six she doesn't. So I've always done the Olympics Nava journalists Ninety-one, so. Why why Emma may well because again, you mentioned and heaven's I'd seen it. You know, we'd heard of the gracie's. I I ran with guys that love that kind of thing. Anyway, and the. I think the ants have I stayed with a group of finances. Who were they know Marcus Davis was one they'd still really instant characters. And I just thought having written about boxing for have a long before that sixteen years before that I just thought these guys really deserve recognition. They really deserve writing about the stories are wider and more broad and more different. And and different to the ones in boxing, where it tends to be come out particular environment in the hoods, not necessarily the hood. But you know from a tough area as a boxing gym in the air. They got into or from Mexican background in Inam. A there were just so many more storylines and ex military ex law enforcement wrestlers the Brazilian diaspora into America of with gracie's in. I think the Gracie story in MMA is fascinating as the rise of something. Like Muhammad, Ali boxing. It's that it's that thing that because people live jujitsu a lifestyle. Now, it it it kind of incr- encroaches on veganism and and healthy living in the California diet, doesn't it? You know, it has a resonance in America like people do jitsu, but they might not be interested in MA, even they just do it as a lifestyle to train, and, you know, his really healthy few rolling around the ground doing locks watching your nuts off is really healthy for you. Because it's bloody yards. Do you know what I mean? And and I think so what happens and I'm seeing says, hey, you should start covering those. No, he answer not anti-noise to work on boxing together him. Some rope some books, and he said the way you write and the way you cover fighters, and you'll the way or interesting if you come into the world, you'll never come back because you'll love the stories you'll love the fighters, they are ROY up you'll streets, and it was absolutely right. And I have been been loving ever since it's been. Absolute pleasure during you know, it's because what we've got now which is nice in the U K is the the USA of being the what thirteen fifteen years, and you know, Bella tolls there as well. Now, they both got big TV deal bell tolls. Skysports which is like the virgin, which is like ESPN as an sportscenter all the newspapers all the editors have have skysports on, you know. So that's well placed baladora of channel five as well. Which is via Viacom company, the USA a going to be that impermeable forever. Then not gonna that. There's no budging those three letters of UFC, but it's good because as decent competition. Yeah. Certainly in Europe. Anyway, not here. It's still two-tier. Remember the first time you met, Michael y'all. I met him. I met him. He just one tough and of three till three. And he was fighting Rashad Evans, yellow UC, seventy eight Newark New it a will much helmet down there. Those days. It was still rough around the the I probably quite hipster ish now about it's getting there better is in the build up to the mention, oh, what do, you know? What I was. I met him in the build up the fi I ended up being at him embedded with his own Toronto. You pro we the way we the way I wasn't covering the sport. Right. We'll tell you what I did. I was like I gave it large on the Mike the way we've come over here to kick the bucks'll yanked. So goes giving it large on the Mike Michael was loving it. Stay not. So this is the honest truth will remember are just came up to the microphone and said, you know, we're over here. We're in new just come to kick, some yank but got booed out that you know, but bigger this crew will loving it. He had a great fight that day. I think it was a lot heavyweight I show. Oh to ultimate fighter winners fought yen Russia because we're shouted being heavyweight yet went down to two. And so that was lost old around besting spent time around him. I don't get see Michael very much. Now, he's such a big superstar these forgotten his think so little bit really. Jona end up in a bloody internet, basically, couldn't give a monkey's frankly, but Michaels gray whenever saying we hug, we kiss and L. Can you sit down and mutual? He's great. But in all honesty, are you hurt by this? Now, why would I be helped by his journey? I was just a messenger early on. I wrote a lot of stories about the girl. I know I I did a lotta broadcasting Michael I helped to build and promote. But I've done that with a hundred other Pfizer's. Okay. I love this industry. You know, I did a little on Dan hardy never mentioned me or Antony book, you know, an antidote with him as well. And I think Dan's become big figuring. He could have remembered that a little bit. But it's not criticism is just people's journeys. What we were doing at the time, and I enough rewards and recognition for to you know, I'm just a messenger. But I love, you know, I it's literally like you. And I we get to like you said when you go home and a Monday and you go back to the family on Monday night. And you're done the he'll wanna show and you've had like you've literally done sportscenter for four days. What they would do you everyone on you know, ever known, but you get almost like ninety percent of the need on. You can always way to improve. As always always always as always those guys coming on are not common on trust. So it's not that. Problem. It's not your problem. It's that problem, frankly. So like, you say it's to celebrate the fact that I was on that journey best thing, and it was fantastic on that journey with Dan, you know, when he four George saint-pierre they were Kohnic moments in the history of British mixed martial arts. And I'm just glad I was that close to those people other need to be their best friends forever. Right. Do you know what? I mean, we all move on. You know, I've got my thing. They've got I don't. You know is the great that fantastic heroes and lucky and Freeman is before you like it as much as you did back, then covering the sport Tunstall, do I I love big events. I loved fights events all of the Paralympics much did when I started covering it in ninety six going whatever it seventh or eighth in Tokyo. And it's about is. You know, you know, 'cause you're asking, you know, this when you're in I'm in my element. You know, you got the trolled all the trolls don't don't like it's like because they just don't know, you know, and also even some youngsters coming through in the school trying to cover it like, no you history. You know, have some respects like my. I'm lucky about must have people at Jeff wagon Heim think works Kevin. I probably some of the oldest people at work in mixed. Martial arts in the media macropod media guys, and they won't be anyone older whereas in boxing, still go. Bob Arum is eighteen colon halts who's one of my mentors in his age. As rights for the son who cover the entire Ali Korea on I the racially search that brains for wisdom and information when tied them for lunch on you know, is that normal is the cyclical right in thinking of Whitten stolis before will I feel a cycle in the sports every fifteen years, you know, what are the changes in as fascinating as it's because there's no st- keep going back to this. But there's no other sport. Like, you know, where if you if you play tennis at Wimbledon the winner gets two million in the men some of that on the loser gets a million. You never have an event were, you know, the the winner's getting two hundred forty million in the loses getting a hundred and twenty million. There is no other of an ally that we saw that. With Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor is the ultimate the ultimate thing in sports entertainment when the event comes together, right 'cause it's two men or two women fighting saw Super Bowl with these massive teams in halftime. It's two people fighting and that many people wanna make it worth six hundred million dollars on a night. That's extrordinary for me. Darren till just that you were there. I think a lot of people thought that he would be the next Michael bist being doesn't have it. I'm is not as versatile as being biffing. Is there an expert member? Best thing was a converted Sal shares. You know that? So his his jab his jab was extrordinary 'cause it was his strong hand. He he lived off that jab any work, really hard and his wrestling gold bathroom. He lived in America. What till did very well as a young man was going Brazil for three years. Learn scouts Brazilian as he saw. And I liked Darren is a charming, man. He's a big man as well. But I just think. He just the match ups and things haven't gone his way in the law school. My my I didn't think he'd beat Thompson either. By the way, I had some winning that fight. And always there live in the pool last year. And I think got to be honest about how you see things. Like, absolutely. I'll only while say to you your say to some Pfizer's face us my rule. Sure. I won't write what I won't say someone's face, even if they don't like, you know, as good so very good rule. Is there a new face that you're excited about in British MC mar leeann Edwards? Leone Edwards is very good. Now oversleep talks about him. Yeah. Well, he's you know, he's a kind of quiet guy. But we this is what I found strangers some UFC London in women's March sixteen the obviously there was an issue with the whole mass without. Yeah. And me say that must be. Yeah. Him poor cabinet spaniel Kawano of a suspend. You'll know I throw story metric who lives in Philo here. Why spagnuola at the just one eight three seven years really our yard. I'm matriculated in Spanish degree thirty three years ago. Yeah. Love speaking Spanish, very very handy with canal and all those guys. Anyway, a light might valley had the hair on for the flight. So saying, you know, like, Harry, Jesus jamming in the built up while I was you know, I'm like how fun in the mirror. You don't like it and you'll say to me be professional. But I am. That's just me being listen me. No. It's not nobody. It's you kind going on with different anyway. But for them is amazing all week, the whole British public celebrates it's amazing backstories relationship with the gray old Kimba slice rest. Rest in peace lovely. Manny was did a two hour consort with him one day for CBS or someone so mazing while it was so gentle such a gentleman. But he was like a light. So scary. Scary. But it was so it was lovely. Anyway. What was I going with this? Leeann edwards. What's mass? Fidel one. Leeann Edwards was brilliant against the jujitsu savant. Gunny? Nelson really schooled him, frankly, was brilliant performance. And when mass Vidal sucker punched an I'm calling sucker punch when he sucker punched Edwards off the woods because he walked away from the interview. I mean it happens, and it's not the worst thing in the world. And he didn't do anything really horrible. But it was technically salt in my view. Resin up the rankings. You didn't get the bonus duty. What did he get bonus? Remember, you shouldn't because it was the ad hoc commission. He if it was in Nevada to got six months suspension. I'm sure your basic point is nothing's happened. Only buys getting a big fight against Ben ash. And really, it's just gonna get wrestle Disney. You know, but but Leonid was against massive Adele in the UK would have been great fi olien Edwards. Yeah. But that fight that would've worked that was be the next big thing. Right. No best ping oversights abyss spring with his looks and my voice because he tell us laugh at best on his. Because often villains voice, and I always say to him with your looks in my voice, we could have been JAMES BOND. But no the thing is he's done brilliantly incredibly successful career. It'll take an awful lot the longevity aerial of his achievements is so extraordinarily and the and the and the resilience the never say die the come back and back and back again member those three semifinals to try and gets the middle belts. I was very very pleased for money when he beat Lou grow colts win the belts and one against Sanderson silver in London. I was a great scene only my favorite fights of all time. I was honored to be there live that was I mean when he got knocked out, and then they realize it wasn't a proper knockout in the fight. Continued just amazing that fight encompasses who Michael being is with the face that picture of him with the blood one of my favorite moments covering the sport. Was you have C one twenty bis being Akiyama and Dana ways up Manchester or London was lon- London. Day sexy Oma. Yes, the great. They annoyed giving a talk at Oxford University. I went we both Wayne, and you're kind enough to give me a lift. To the we go here we go. Of driving with Gareth. Now, this is twenty. So this is I believe the top of my head two thousand ten Gareth is an international superstar. They love him over there. He is their own were in London Gareth says he's gonna give me ride which was very kind of him to do. And we stop off to get some Gaz in a bite to eat in the middle of nowhere. Middle of no middle of the of the of the freeway. That's right. Go to guy who is serving food at the gas station stops and asks me are you area? Who wanna now I'm only in the business at this point like three years you've been in the business decades and has no idea who Garrod this. But knew exactly who I was. So I remind Gareth of this all the time that was fun though, going to Oxford and seeing. Oh, the time. I don't know what the time society not think that sounds like a Jewish thing. I it was. I think it was look I I think they just invited speakers or no it wasn't. There is a crime into that with Maradona Maradona came. Yeah. That was raising wouldn't you if he said we're going out for a week you'd have to go matter. You'd have to. But some knows amazing amazing to see daynuss face like looking around the but was which library was at now. But I can't even remember. But it was amazing. Yeah. It was very very funny that day. But listen, you, you know, the thing is what you did so brilliantly. Was you stuck to your guns? And you you resonated and grew with the internet the internet was in its big, you know, social media was in his big spurt growth. And you I I I say this to every time I say, you you are the go-to guy with what's happening in the school in, you know, and that's not why brought up the story, by the way for you to show. I I say privately as well. So you know, and. And you know, you've done a brilliant job doing it. But what's been brilliant? From that time is the because I did the one of the first demo may shows on ESPN Majon anime live with Reshad Evans and Stephan bona looking into the into anything like a psycho, and we get ready. Get yours sometimes with Karen portly. And we used to go in studio, and I was the mad internet when the mountains national correspondent. But I was involved in twelve fifteen of those I presented, Emma. My life co presented with Kenny Florian in Bristol. And it was a great time and the internet show was so good at forced onto TV like yours has you've forced your show, which has become so popular onto TV because because of the Foxtail for seven years because of the brilliance of Dana, white and Lorenzo fatigue, frankly, and Lawrence some Epstein at at the USC, they have moved on to bigger platforms. They have really pushed the foot sport for there is more drug testing as penalize them in some ways. Because it was riddled in the sport at times. But the whole thing is grown so brilliantly. The it is now in the mainstream landscape in America. And it's just starting in the UK, which is which is great really could. I ask before we wrap this up. And again, I feel like we can go for two hours. We could easily approaching the end is there like when you're eighty years old nine years old in your your your your countryside mansion with your grandchildren, and they they ask grandpa to three of those anyways times are like it to eighty. Wow, that'd be amazing. And they ask you about your favorite memories, your favorite moments, your favorite events, your favorite fights covering MMA. The cinema may show. So I know you have a ton for boxing. But is there a time? When you look back right now that you know, these moments will stick with you interactions stories fights events, you have I'm sure just a closet full of those. But closetful. Yeah. I don't know they're close at full. But. No. Because I think most people don't in the closet. They're out there. Because most people say the mole at some point. No, I think. Doing those first shows on satanic sports, like twenty minutes into a new show and just having a very small briefing and just suddenly doing a twenty minute show. Those that those shows the SPN with all those guys who've gone on the working with Randy could sure helping to bring 'em into the mainstream is sometimes I wish I was working more. Centrally like you do in. But that needs to him. So busy have worked for the UFC. Now, not working for the oh, Siham working more on Belot or the moment. I'm working on channel five in the UK on the ballot or vents. And that's great. Because I again, I think I've gone back to helping spoke grow. That's because it's more fun than I do lightly early days where we all used to roll into a club after an event or do it's show enroll into this so corporate now everyone so exhausted at the end of it. It really is big giant sports entertainment. I the one thing I lament. The rise and rise economy Gregor because I've done documentaries as well. And it'll clips with him that people always go all my remember that moment when you told him he was the interim champion on the champion, and that was fun being around best ping. And the the silver veto Belfour fights in Vegas is very big fights at the MGM. 'cause I preferred the MGM to the new T mobile arena in agree. More had something about it had the had the magic dust the Madison Square on the well we worked studios AM be radio row all of that. And the books still does that little bit. It's it's those nights. It's those fights. It's those it's those fight weeks that I love, you know, and you know, it's just privileged. But it's a privilege. Also have a brain understands fight sports and fighters, you know, and that they respect says, you know, people can say what they want on the internet fans duffer. But you know, I know you have you proud fighters a little bit more than I do. But it's it's just a privilege all of it. So. Yeah. I don't have a single. It's a Colo Colo's. Yeah. Yes. Great answer Gareth woulda what would a would a fun time. This has been really a privilege used that were just moments ago. I'm so happy that you reminded me that you're here for Crawford contact do this face to face because I don't know if you've ever done ashore pug is ago when you the day, right? No, no came in a bit drunk on allergic Kayla came in your studio, the show put my feet up on the desk. Canto different, right? We're a little older we've seen skinflints keta finished dinner at one. I am. I am. No. It's not that. I think what it is. We have both been through tax where. When you did this with the Paralympics, and I had anyone ever asked me about my greatest sporting moment as a journalist was the London twenty twelve Paralympic Games, excuse me. Because if I'm the godfather in some ways of modern, you know, the youngsters cover modern combat sports as you called it. I really am the godfather of the coverage of major impairment picks like an I and I'm very in self entitled. And you know, what I'm not there yourself. No one three world awards. You know? So I understand telling stories and people always come to me and say, how should I come apparel and picks an Icee, which is why I live by really without making this kind of this is your life is like be real just be yourself. See what describe what you're seeing talk about the triumph for the human spirit happening in front of you talk about these human beings. And how extraordinary though, they don't like it. But they are they're just athletes in their mind. And I think I think with. With what we've done in in this industry. The reason we're here now is because we were at that stage when it was rule it's but it's mainstream. So we're bit more smoothed about it than we ever were. And we've got serious things to say as an influence on lots of people. You know, it's it's a mentioned by knuckle boxing earlier. I don't really want it to be on TV. It's find on the internet. But my view is. I don't want youngsters doing Banoco boxing because it's it's not good for you as great when guys know what to do. But I think wed gloves. You know? So I think we've come through that together in in the mixed martial arts world, and you know, we're kind of kind of many celebrities in our own role within the industry yet. No. You know, you love it when they line up for the autograph stop. No, it's tough because it takes time. Yeah. I are being Gareth. Now. It's hard. It's not hard been Gareth. It's amazing. You know, it's a good life. Yes. That Gareth what a pleasure, absolutely. Pleasure. Thank you for doing this, my manager Gareth Davies of the Daily Telegraph of talksport of William Hill. A fighters only of the garrison Aaron podcast, the man, whereas many many hats, he's one of my dear friends in this business. What love so much about Gareth is that he is who he is take him or leave him. But there's no ego there there's no competition there. We've always sort of lived in the same space. But we we went into it once or twice. I don't remember raised it from my mind. Keep up the great work. My man is a pleasure to be here with you really anytime in New York. I'd love to come home with you. Absolutely. And check out his coverage this weekend of Crawford. Con at MSG that is going down on ESPN pay per view and all his coverage Gareth Davies on Twitter as well Instagram. I just learned I didn't know that. All right. We are at a time. Thank you very much Daniel back in Bristol for all his hard work in making this show possible. Thanks to all of you who continue to rate. Subscribe. Download all those things more a different ememy reports this week. But I gotta say maybe my favorite one. It's been great catching up with great Gareth Davies shit your time. Thank you so much for listening. Enjoy the fights this weekend. We'll talk to you next week.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 14

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 14

"Yeah. Hello everyone. It is area. Awani, and it is April seventeen thousand and nineteen. Welcome to a brand new episode of the reporters. And if I'm being truly honest with all of you. I'm giddy right now because this is going to be fun. This is going to be a special on my friends. Let's not waste any time. Here, you know, sometimes I do the show with people who are on the phone back in Bristol this time. It's just one on one face to face. Joining me in our little studio here near city is one of the godfathers of European combat sports coverage, and I should just say godfather of combat sports coverage truly because he has been covering the world of boxing and mixed. Martial arts in particular, since I was I think in diapers. Really? I mean, this man is omnipresent is often imitated never nuke aided. He is inevitable. He is the one and only Gareth Davies of the Daily Telegraph. Of William Hill of talk sport. What else what am I missing here Gareth? Well, what an intro. Yes. What an intro deserve. Listen unite known each other longtime, and that was very very very nice of you. And you also known as the Warlock warlord. Warlord look kind of FU panda. Yes. We've had a lotta fun yet. I work for fighters only magazine as you say, you know, William Hill all over the place just do as much as I can on his much mixed martial arts and boxing as I can. And as you know is incredibly busy world out there now with so many broadcasts. I've done fight sports. Twenty eight years started writing my twenty years ago, and for me, I think this is the busiest periods with broadcasters with interest with finally with renowned fighters around the world, and we've ever had you must know that great time to combat. It's fun. It's a great time to be in the combat sports business at all stage where you can ring someone up and going sit with them in their training camp. And they want you there and the accesses extraordinary and the journey is so enjoyable because we you know, we might get a proper job on day. Do you know what I mean? I know this is all. You work and you have to completely put your life into. I got up this morning about three I'm because filed on a story about Jaramillo testing positive for drugs. The fighting on June the first here at Madison Square Garden Antony Joshua the books of the British heavyweight who holds three of the world, title belts. He's making his American debut. So big deal on dissolve on. You do that story overnight. You go to bed for few is your wake up you doing it the newspaper in a back page column on the exodus of boxes to America when it was dominant in the UK a couple years ago, and I'm running to get Nuba putting on a finer ima shades, running Scott new, but to here on all run back in riot piece on Terence girlfried lighter. It's e you have to live this industry. I'm catching up fights. I didn't see it. The weekend is brilliant UFC two three six of and I had the main card live, but this so much going on Clarisa Shiels for Christina hammer at the same time partner. Great performance stream. And both watching him. You know, it's it's an amazing time Ariel. And and you know, you give me the big singing. I I've worked very hard for a very long time on a lot of fight sports. And hopefully, tell the stories of fighters that people lights, no and of watch the kind of industry grow. And what you grow fan. Congratulations to you to be sitting say, it's a little cubicle. But then no muss gray metal building sitting on the edge of the Hudson is yeah, I couldn't even find it was number eighty nine isn't it along the the seaport here is the biggest building in for about three mile radius. I couldn't find it. But it's an enormous place to be and this is where the drive and the passion of us little people that we all really in the sports gets the sport resonating out there because a lot of fighters on the best at telling the stories. That's what we do. Well, few do it better than you. And it's so great to be here with you. It's great to get the do this because we've talked about doing things a lot. But you're so busy that you often just Ditto you. Yes. And it hurts. So Finally, I I was going to get you on the iron and Gareth podcast because that's the other thing. I do with our John's was a reality TV star huge social media following tattooed. Like there's only a tiny bit of his body like a mosque on his face this not SatU June. I mean, everything else is being discolored or colored or an audio podcast with him. And we really wanna get you with. But when we go video because we we're just ordeal to see this before we get to everything that's going on everything that you're doing you are in New York for Amir Khan vs Terence Crawford. Amir Khan coming over as you said a lot of the British boxers now fighting here in the states that's happening to Saturday Madison Square Garden here New York City, and it's on ESPN pay per view. So it's very synergistic. If you will help big of a deal is this because obviously Crawford considered by many the pound for pound best in in hill. Three. Anyway, con- is is a legend in his own, right? But maybe a little bit passes prime. How big of a deal this fight back home for you? I'm it's a big deal because all the national newspapers here, which is still very strong kind of, you know, seven or eight guys the BBC here BT sports here. So it's got full coverage talks border here in onto my show with Adam catch or do it with every week through the often noon BBC doing the live broadcast on TV on BT sport. It's a big deal because I'm con- is a big deal. Yes. He's on the down. Nope. He's over the hill. He's a year old in Crawford with. Kind of cruel foot by the top three pound for pound for one. I think it's probably Aloma chanko. Okay. You know, just because of his sublime skills and number two. Pu I I want to say some potentially canal, but it's probably cruel for dispense Crawford Lama chanko Cannella probably Alexander who sick, and they're all kind of fight here. Yeah. Ole fighting here, the ecstasies America's where the big big bucks ours. Where the big pay per view is is a continent. You guys are prepared to pay. And this is a war that's going on now with design ESPN, plus for that digital streaming future that mobile as they call it future. The this is this is where people in the UK paper views a third of the price. Yes, we're getting bigger numbers two stadiums. But if you cross over in America, you've really made it as a sports star. He can't do it in Europe Joe Kelley Zaggi had stood at the end of his career with against Roy Jones junior and Bernard Hopkins. Ricky Hatton came and did it Lennox Lewis. All those guys Nazeem Hamid, Rick, you know, lots amick on call fraught even too soon. You've got to make in America British books an amicus on came early. He was the first prominent British Muslim Pakistani sportsmen to resonate in the country. And he was a seventeen year old. He won the silver medal in Athens. And it really did resonates, and he's maybe a bigger cultural figure than he is just a sporting figure, you know. So you have to put him in that context. Okay. And so that's happening this weekend. But also as you just to ask you about this because it's actually something that is is very much. In the news in our sport in different ways. The big baby Miller story comes out late last night via Dan Raphael of ESPN and others of confirmed, including yourself that he has tested positive via vodka the voluntary anti-doping gay to he's fighting in June against the great Anthony Joshua of England where do things stand here in that. Because I think a lot of fans don't recognize that with vodka. Unlike you Sada, unlike the VAT athlete commission your ecstatic option, they don't suspend right? They test though announce that you've tested positive, but they won't suspense where things stand with by the way for combat sports fans, big baby. Former kickboxer who has fought the likes of macro back in the day. So there is a relation to our little world here where things stand. Yeah. Well, Brian knows the the decision the basal being requested. Apparently, I'm hearing from blocks of Dmitry Salita who's who's Jarrell Milberg by Milas code. Promotes? And I think they it can take up to two weeks for that base on to come back, the New York State Athletic Commission, you know, the statutory government body. It's who we don't have that in the UK all sports organizations, non statutory. Whereas they are in America. I think it's a brilliant thing because it's part of the government arm any of the states. They will make a decision on kennel say them if this tested positive, and there's no adverse reasons or really serious reasons how this has been mistaken this GW fifteen sixteen substance. I am not an expert on drugs aching or drugs. But the I do believe it's you know, they they did a test on in two thousand seven with with mice. And they they will performance in haunts with micro bites of it. And it was banned with wall to the World Anti-Doping Agency who choose by Olympic standards. What we fight his, oh, people or athletes, should it shouldn't be taking. So he's done something wrong. Whether it's adversely whether it's deliberately whether it's by mistake with with a supplement. Don't know the the levels of it yet. We haven't got all that detail. But I suspect he's kind of crazily having earnt. I think million and a half in his best flight before this is getting light six million US dollars. That's life changing life sustaining. You know, Hera dish in right there that kind of money, and you know, it was an and the chance of winning three world title belt. So is I it's it's impossible to understand it. But at the same time as boxing, and is sports, and we say, and you can bring up numerous names, you know, John Jones is my dirty secret. You know, he's tested postive things. But I just cannot wait same fights again. So where do they stand? I think he'll be out of the fights spoke to this morning. Just for a came. Here was writing new story real. And you know, he said look we've anyone fifteen but we just want the biggest best name now possible. And Joshua such first thing he said, he was the first person he rang when her and found out about it from vodka was as the. Motor was I still wanna fight get me an opponent. Okay. This was a story last week in our sport with TJ dillashaw, very interesting testing positive for complete different substance EPO TJ, by the way, I thought came out and handled it as well as he very good peo- was they they the the the whole said bolted but managed to grab hold of its tail as it was leaving. And I think they very good job bring that press release out. Yeah. So did his master in one of the gyms as well. I thought they did him. No favours. We talked about this last week with Jalen bread. But Cheo and Brett, I know who's chill the bad guy. On a bad guy. He's a Mench. Conway him to fight in New York. I love child now, I love Machida. But I it's just interesting when this stuff comes out, and I know it's a little different with as opposed to use it on your ecstatic. So's curious to get the update there. Now, you told me just before we went on it, you you travel everywhere. So let's get back to the enemy stuff you last week. You are northern California on assignment. And this is an incredible story tells what you are doing or perhaps I should say what you were attempting to do. This is amazing stuff. It was like come. It was I'd call in search of Stockton in search of the boys of Stockton. The you know, who they are Nick Knight D as I was often Nate Diaz a for ninsu Nate Diaz to a cover story full fighters only magazine, which is still going as a great magazine been involved with it for about twelve years now consultant it's a and it's still worth doing those big deep stories of just omen on Henry. So who does well by covering himself in modern begging in the streets that he's never told people about when he was younger to get a little model car set. And that's that was his determination. He said, I'm not proud of this by too much from from the waterside cover my body with it, and I begged like I was a beggar in the street years and years ago Arizona because he was determined. He was kind of expressing the context he was expressing his determination. And it's lovely to go deep and have the ability to still right long form three thousand word pieces with these guys and see them in magazines. So anyway, I I had it up to staying in San Francisco, go girlfriend who lives in San Francisco, and I decided to. Revisit the scrap pack as they were Cesar Gracie. Gil Melendez Jake shields, Nick Knight deers, and then not obviously they've all grown up and gone the separate ways, and that children families and their own gyms and become very famous people in your remember. Hey, me, we all remember that moment with you with Nick. And I like both of them are just joke with them life. You don't. So might phone those those are bleeps there, by the way, I'll stick a on your car, and they love their they've become cult heroes in our sports, and they are very famous, and they they can dictate terms in many ways. And what people love about them is that they are authentic. There will to where they come from. And there will then to Kim what they believe in even though they are there suburbs. They they all counterculture, but they are extraordinarily heroic and brilliant severe round as you know, a not being around the many times. Sometimes I just don't wanna bother are done want to bother interviewing them wanna hang with them. Because that's what they are that people to hang with. That quote stone do not. I mean there that they they use symbols anyway. So I went in search of of Nate Diaz under the annual probably restraint on this under the under the guise of he is coming back this summer, and he's either gonna fight Kabore is either gonna fight Conor or late in the summer of success September Coppee. Yeah. So I sat out I contacted Gil spoke to kill who's brilliant with big piece with killing his wife carrying their El Nino training centuries, amazing in San Fran you've been there. I've never been down. It's down in the hoods down in Cesar Chavez, third avenue. It's like, but you know, -mongst kind of like call garages, and they said, no, we used to be further in the hood is this huge hangar, and they are really quite beautiful people are very innocent. And she's very strong and child is there, and it's a really cool Jim in a really good neighbor doing loads of social work, local, schools, and brilliant story. So anyway, I I spoke to Gil I said what's happening. Do you guys feel as something in the air? Could we have the whole scrap pack back because three of those four. Puffing Jake shields all the other still under contract with UFC. They've long gone since I'm from Cesar Gracie. So spoke to what about the scrap pack against SPG or Connor all Seminoles Conor McGregor. Not and people know the surnames these people on this show. So I don't really say them, call Conan autumn and all these guys have fights with with with all these guys. They were like really enthusiastic spoke to kill about spoke to Jacob at the next day. Jake shields who was snowboarding and I've said to them both. I'm going to go up and see Nate. Because I want him to be the focal point of it because he is the one, and they all agreed in this. When when they all had big fights. I was I think you with on the night that Jake Foltz George saint-pierre in Toronto, wasn't it. Fifty five thousand a member setting up in the golds and going down to row seat, a a twelve. That's when I was in favour row right in the middle of the media row. And you know that night where George NPR used his jab brilliantly. And stuffed in Jake. Couldn't get him. He failed at the big on the big one nicktator didn't beat Condit's. He didn't beat George saint-pierre. But Nate Diaz really stepped up and beat Conor McGregor. And it was a brilliant performance. And they all say that as glory moment. And I think there's a failing amongst all four. They're gonna come by together and start training, and they had a couple of days for so sore picture I of Nate kill and and Jake training. I texted nates, and I said I'm going to come out and see you in the deals academy. And it's like come back. Yeah. Bra when you come in through when you come through come to the gym come through. So I went up there. I made the journey from San Francisco drove up that was getting kind of Huntress Thompson like this point. Yeah. 'cause I was thinking I'm gonna drive up there. Seventy mile drive. Mara was but Willie really be there. You know? And I was pondering on the weapons pondering when I went to see all of them seven years ago down in concord and interviewed them all in one day as scrap pack and I chase nickel. The gym for five Nick around the gym for five hours and just as I needed to leave to catch a plane a managed to get him. And I asked two questions and he spoke for forty five minutes due to me. He was amazing. 'cause I sets out the fact that I'm a huge fan of you. And I feel very protective about you sometimes, and I just want you to express yourself with me, you know, you can trust me, and I will make this piece saying he REM he reminds me of books by friends kaffa where the human condition is trapped inside this place, they can't escape from. And I feel that with Nick sometimes do you know what I mean? And yet there's something genius about him. And he is probably pound pound the best of those four fighters, if I'm honest because of the chin, the pull daily fi all the you know, what I mean what he's done by Sealy. And now, he's a triathlete. So I go up there. It's about up. There about midday. Nick Diaz training, kademi driven around Lodi. And Stockton of come into the kademi looks like a bullet hole in one in one of the glass, probably somewhere someone's kicked in the. Gloss. Jim really nice gym the children's Saturday morning. Classes are all over a speed Cerruti Hernandez who's running the gym. And I say was was Nate dares was expecting see him. And he was like, oh, no he's not here. Now, he's gone off somewhere. I think so I take a picture myself outside the Nick das- academy posted on Twitter and stick it on Instagram. I think he follows me on Instagram, and I thought well, I'm going to hang around. I went to Starbucks round the corner wins the coffee house, I went to a mall just up the road to granny's and children might coffee bar guy. And they all they all knew the day as brothers, and they all knew Kron Gracie who's training there with him had a great win over slogans Caseros, just recently and AJ. I is a fantastic young man lost his ballot. Oh debut. So Rudy gives me axioms number because I'm chasing. 'cause he staying Nick dear's is how see where they are. Because I'm not back from Nate unim- interviewing everyone in the area than than text knows later. I get a phone call hang about do my due diligence. It's kind of like a by that point Nick Broomfield Dr documentary filmmaker or like a Louis through I feel like I'm on the Louis through camera with me. So I've I've done due diligence have driven around of scene where they're from. And I decide I'm going to drive back through the delta over the bay. Lots of bridges little bridges farmland that the Diaz brothers used to go on a journey from Stockton to concord lots about fifty sixty mile journey to train receive Gracie and his Jim 'cause he was the one that really brought them up, and they was sixteen and fourteen at the time and so made that journey, and I was reflecting on how they've stayed quite parochial in a way, you know, what I mean, they're not they're not obeying, and they've stayed really true to that Welsh route. So as driving back AJ is arm rings manny's still in town, you come and see me, you know, I'm like I'm already halfway out, man. I gotta get back. My gulf. I've got dinner girlfriend lights, blah, blah. La obey Neff up in on the road for six seven hours or eighty and AJ is is like, man. I'm so sorry about this. You know, you could we had lunch. And you know, he didn't say that next house with news at Nick's house. They just on a triathlon together the week before him, Nick. So we had a good Chattanooga. And he said look spring this. We feel that something in the air Nate's coming back. You know, Gil wants to come back hasn't fought for you and a half the first time in his career, Jake still very active, you know, and is like one of the young proteges, isn't it? Living the lifestyle. So we had a child put the phone down with us instinct stuff. So I drove all the way back to concords. And then just getting facts concord, I got text from from Nate's. I'm the exact texture sincere. It's quite funny bra. So no, I think he went was. The bra. I'm so sorry Mogole forgot McGaw was taken out to a policy in the bay. So I'm thinking, you know, this point, I don't really wanna speak speech. AJ zome said the something up sees a Gracie are Chatou said these boys have got their own gyms. They made enough money. They don't need to fight. If they don't have to you never know. They're always warriors. They'll stay warriors. Jay, Jake shields towards about her Nate's in the gym, everyday Gill said about this great successes had and they all wanna come back, and at the end of sat down and look at look in my mind, and looks at what I had on paper from people I've spoken to and it's actually made a really good on of travel, log if you like of chasing the day as is in a way, it was better. Not having that quotes in the piece in the end. You know, what I'm sure I could sit here and listen to talk about these guys and this story for an hour. It's stuff when does that come out that will be in the next issue of fighters only because the Nathan those boys on the cover? I'm I don't actually know probably in about a month time. Yeah. I what's your instinct, by the way. It's just about say, I didn't think he is coming back. Yeah. I do think he wants to come back. I don't think it will be against Habib Ramada made up though, I think it will be. He wanted the Connor fight. Even though he said, otherwise, I think Conor wanted that fight. I don't know if that fight is going to happen. I know there couple names that are of interest to him. I don't think he wants to cut down to one fifty five if he doesn't have to. I think an interesting matchup fun, being honest is Anthony Pettus. That's always been. I was looking at old Nate interviews yesterday. And he was talking about Anthony Pettus five six years ago. Pedestal good at one seventy he sort of a new player there. There's like a was bigger than you think can realize when you meet pets his, but right now at one seventy there's like, you know, the championship wait in the sense that there's camario and Woodley and Covington aspirin Mazda, but then like the fun one seventy division, and that is Pettus, right? An also. But also when it comes down to it the fights the things people talk about. Yes, you talk about how brilliant GSP was did up some brilliant five. I don't know why mention just paper you can talk about people being champions. But it's slightly. Ones we saw over the weekend to three six that people really, particularly the the middleweight fight share. But for me in the course of my my journeys with them an in the kind of like, the fantasizing I did with kill Melendez about the codes that you could create with those guys. I think what I'd like to see and this. This would be the big super codes that you have could not match with anyone else at the moment. And it will be Khabib against Nate Diaz. And Nick Diaz as against Conor McGregor as the co main event don't think Nick wants the fight. But can you imagine how big that will be the biggest that would that's two hundred million? I have do you don't think I don't know if there's a love interest in Nate versus hubby because we know how the brothers do against wrestlers like that. That's a very one. We saw that Ben Henderson against Nate. We saw that she is against there's there's just no way they can hang with those guys. So that's why avenue Pettus is of great interest to me because they'll be a fun striking match, right? Get it. No, no. I get the fans. Remember, great fights. Yeah. So let me ask you this past weekend. Lanta Georgia you've been around this game. A long time. You have seen every fight of the last thirty years as a journalist. You've also seen every fight. I mean, you're historian in many respects, I am in all of Israel to Sonya. I feel like he is on the cusp of being a superstar like he's obviously a star. Now, an an, and I think all ready one of the faces of the of see I think his fight against Robert Whitaker is going to be a gigantic deal. I think they could sell seventy eighty thousand tickets over the edge. Most it would be ludicrous to have that fight here guard. Gloria you have to have that fight stralia. I'm an odd. This man, I'm an off that fight. I'm an off what he did in the fifth round. I'm off coming gasoline. I don't wanna take anything away from coming guests on the heart. The will the determination that he showed in that fight. Nothing short of amazing. But I'm just so impressed with Israel, not only as a fighter, but how he conducts himself. The interviews how he speaks. How he talks about John Jones. He is smart. He is calculated. He is fun. He is inter -taining. Do share this excitement. You share this admirations that I have resolved Sonya? No, definitely. He's a special talent in in in the kind of. In the in the line in the lineage of Anderson Silva, John Jones. Yeah. I come clean of always been close with Kelvin guests, lemon probably Mahal's. I wanted him to win. 'cause isaac. I think Kelvin will will win the belts at some point. I never knew that our very close Kelvin and had no idea 'cause he was big might salute bonnet who I'm friends with. They were tough together. And I've done podcasts with Kelvin before. Ino again spent time going with them knows story knows extraordinary human being, you know, Reno what what love he had from his mother in a very tough, poor upbringing in Zuma Zuma's and Huma humus or you you marriage. Sorry. Yeah. Yuma. And you know, it's he he's, you know for admire is like he's like the George fray. The Joe Joe Frazier of the heavyweight division. He's a really small middleweights like really small, but what I loved in that fight was because when he was taking over in the middle session of the fights, he designed bayton and what I learned about design. Your is. I didn't believe in him having the champions halt and the resilience. And you know, the tenacity that he genuinely has against a very pernicious foe. Pay word. Yeah. We'll Kelvin gasoline is very dangerous manza fights in as we saw incredible chin and Addison you went and went on went until he had physically told gasoline his brain was telling him his body catoon. No more onto that against them hill. He may not be the same to that fight. Yeah. Like, you'll Romero hasn't fought since his fighting. It's rubber Whitaker or Whittaker hasn't fought since we have seen fights change people member ROY McConnell took a year before he came back and didn't even look like himself when he came back. So yes, we've seen this before. Do you think by the way that he can be Robert Whitaker is it's it seems like every time Israel fights. It's like, okay. But the next one he'll be exposed at reminds me a lot of Connor in the sense that every step people don't believe him, but continues to prove wrong human nature when you watch it with. I think what what happens with Israel is you'll wired to look at. What was he's six foot four in the middleweight. Yeah. Beanpole Bill these incredibly, well, you know, he's he's very versatile. He's he's an extraordinary kickboxer. He he looks comfortable with the ground stuff with Kelvin's. Well, but Calvin was hurt by then to be honest wasn't. It really is is take down defense. Forget that little technical looked brilliant. I thought on the nights I was shocked by it. It was good. Yeah. Great wrestler. He really is on guy. He kept Mariah whole away. When he was a tiny guy. You know when tough finale when whole by wrestling, I so I didn't like to hear about Israel on Saturday night in Atlanta. Georgia was the post fight press. Cones people with throwing the idea of John Jones in fine John Jones as weight divisions for a reason. And for me, he just got I think he'd get dismantled and pigs appalled by John Jones middle heavyweights. Step too, far, the moment you also about what sokaia I'm trying to think of the shapes moving. But you know, I give give out to send your amazing chance in that fire, and especially because Whitaker has been inactive. But you bring up the John Jones thing I love the tonight's. If he had Paul his officer. I've had a what do you have a hernia? Search have had it's not fun collapsed bowel an nearly had that as well when I was only sixteen but he played on sheriff on through having the tone intestine, and he's very lucky is alive. Absolutely. And that's why I wonder how he's gonna look I love the dynamic between the two because Whitaker doesn't talk trash. He's very saw Spokane guy, but you could tell Israel's getting under his skin a little bit. And Israel says things about him. And he gets what love about it is it's a very regional flight. But it is a big deal. Like they're talking about things like Mazi. I don't know what these things are learning about it through them about this fakey. We and all the stuff I love it. Because this is a part of the world that hasn't been in focusing in our sport. But then you. Bring the John Jones thing up Israel to me is getting the better of John Jones. He says on Saturday. I'm not talking about him. Now, this is about me and Kelvin he says on Monday on my show. John Jones, you know, he was doing this with the nose candy. He was hiding under his he's Israel to send you as a product of the internet and Israel Sonya knows he is smarter than anyone that John Jones has ever gone up against that. He is going places that he doesn't go on. But my my physically, but but then at the end not yet. Right. Not yet. Jones will be heavyweight by the time. You think so? Yeah, I listen. So you think this never happened? No. I don't I don't think that. Oh, no. I don't think it never happens. Because if there's a residence on the on the internet's the you see will pick up on it, and they will run that fight because they're all about when you'd be missed mistake to do it. Now, it's no you concert. Now. There's no point doing, Nara. These on the belt yet. Remember, you know, he's the he's the interim isn't he I mean, you not considered. Three hour show moaning about interim. But although on Saturday, it was for a reason it was not as was the other interests Cabela's suspended till September. So October to be exact buzzer. He's gonna return in September probably Dhabi. That's the plan, by the way, you believe does import it will get him next because I don't believe it. I think that's what they're saying. But you're telling me if Connor comes on and really banks Drummond says I want that fight. You're telling me if Tony Ferguson 'cause they don't consider it. You know, what I mean, you're mentioning Nate like I feel dust import a now has to work not as hard as he was working before to get this shot. But he's still like this is in federal complete like at Asana Whitaker is do agree with that. Yeah. Which is unfortunate because I think he's earned it. I'm just opposed for mindfulness. It's lovely to be hitching is the blast right? Yes. I know important so forty five minutes, it feels like two minutes. His thing about Dustin the diamond Poiret, I've been a fan of his since I watch fight villain. If you're listening even never seen it going. Get the DVD. It was probably on Netflix or something now is well, the DVD it's it's a real old school. I love you know, like coming in the name of the silver one is like water. Yes, I'm all of those, you know, wrecking recommendation smashing machines, all these old Goan go. Find them fight Ville about Dustin grow up in Louisiana and not even just Austin. But the characters in this crazy, Tim crater has coach who surreal characters lovely guy. I dunno kinds of Matt as neighbor is a is an amazing guy that is that in days, you I've been indeed to Dustin since a watch that because he's like, you just see his life, and you see how bleak it was and see whether come from like, hey, fields. Do not mean Louisiana, and like just fighting in on the farms in bonds and billionth that we had that because I feel like we're emotionally invested in his journey so others so invested right. So I mean saw his humble beginning. I met him than I, you know. 'cause you know, I've interviewed him many times I've improbably twelve years since then ten years, maybe and he's one of those Robbie Lawler light characters in terms of his career projection and the kind of growth of his career. He could he's probably in that final run right now. He's very matures. Manny makes wait really. Well, he thinks about beautiful family. He's he's just a downright good guy. Whenever you say is tough as nails. He's a country. Boy, his toughest nails. But he's become rather on the reasons goods, and you ask any fighter if you're up against a south pole aggressive counterpuncher, you're in danger because you have to fight them same as Loma chanko why he so brilliant because one Amethi vessel Schenker. The Iranian double medallist three. Welsh champion thirteen fourteen Pfizer pro he's incredibly adept. He's like the matrix because he's a creates angles with his with his waist. He's an aggressive south pole. A switches as well is aggressive southpaw, who is brilliant counterpunching. So unless you can find a way of unlocking, you're gonna lose you ought to jump on him and change what he's doing. And I think this what pirated brilliant the other night. And that's what he's become good in the sense of Z a good match for Khabib. Yeah. Maybe but I think. To go back to the original point. If Kana McGregor wants a fight with Nate's, Nick there will be able to any of them with KEB the UC to straightway. It's such a big fight. Yeah. This is a sports but more than that. It's a business and don't ever forget. That is a business and we see in very crude ways. It's times, you know. Call me against brought less now for me. It was like a joke. Right. It's a joke. I won't Jones versus coma heavyweight. That's my fan request. You know? Yeah. No. I wanna absolutely Dustin is one of the guys as you just said, and that was a great moment. Like, yes, I knows an interim belt, and I've been very critical of the term titles. But to see him get that title to see what he's doing for that foundation back home and donating the money to to build this this playground for disabled children and to see that documentary back in the day. How could you not be happy like him versus max was a hard fight to watch. 'cause they're both such great gentlemen. Right. Outta Sonya and gasoline as well. I mean, those those two comportment if that would never used the components of the fighters the I was reminded why gentlemen, fighters, absolutely, right. And I love those moments as well area. When you're reminded of those with Israel and his coach on the ground hugging. Each other. Like that is why we love this. Right. Look, I'm not saying that I don't have the trash talk. I'm not saying that I don't love the poking the trash talk. It's fun. But there are times when that is just so refreshing and just what the doctor ordered right? Yeah. Well, at the end of the day, it's the whole reason why I do this. I think, you know, much as I love living, an international rock stone covering the fight worlds. The the the the narrative of people's journeys, the triumph of the human spirits while of Paralympics school. I was mentioned to you as the same thing. Witnessing the triumph of of the human spirit when people have come from very difficult backgrounds or interview Daniel Strauss, recently, what a story Sean crooks in both in ballot all and they fought each other recent as you know, I mean, I go way with in. My is my with the has on my spine standing out with some of these guys because I know the there's only about two percent of people that like Faisal's in the whole world where we're in the minority world here, we're subculture, and you know, we'll have to step outside. It's why we read time magazine. Willison San news. You know, some people listen to sports center because they've got other things on the euro was on there, these days, whatever in a ball your own sportscenter. Thank you. The the, you know, the big picture is the big picture from what we do. The love of fight sports in these people pitting themselves at a certain way to the Sutton time in place against each other and bearing their kind of spiritual warrior souls is the there is a bigger picture out there. There is the ripple effects of that person on that community on an in that ghetto in in in on the children who watched who say I can do that people Henry. So who does really inspiring in that way as well? That is the big picture for us. And we both love telling those stories because it resonates with grandmothers, and you know and sisters children because they go. Wow. Two person really have to go through that. And you know, there's there's a there's a spectrum isn't there a voice a first world problem in third world or an eighth world problem? But I think we must never lose sight of the fact that these people are individually proving. Themselves that going they're working through things themselves putting themselves on the line? They're entertaining us. It is a business. But there is a bigger picture that we can project into well. And the moments of gentlemanly conduct the projects that people do against knife crime, and also brilliant, and it's a pleasure to be involved in. I actually no joking. I've said before I get emotional Monday evenings when I go home after doing my show on Monday nine to ten fighters have taken time out of their also we'll emotional for you. I wish I know. No. But I'm like, I feel so honored. And so blessed these men and women would do this. I'll give you a couple of examples Maltin Murray's as tough as nails books or from from Saint Helen's used to kind of still calls get drunk tool kinds of crap, you know, him and his wife gem our of social workers now in the thrill kids Multan admits his house once. Yeah. And while the they come to studio I liked to go to books as houses, James gale house, recently and. Maltin Zion in his jock strap in the Garros, you know, pack. You'll get them standing, you know, he's putting the kids to bed. I'm saying all of this. And it's you know, speaking to his wife, and those kind of privileges that we get to like Utah people immediately after fights on a Monday morning, they they wanna come on your show because it is the big show. It's the big show for its the Goto. The the end of a weekend is a massive privilege because you know, the those people are in entrusting us with with with with the kind of vary. The seminal moment in their lives in some ways. So when you got the access in someone's house to bow rooms the generes ball Baram's hotels. We just today to him and his wife and do some photographs in his hotels down in fifty street. Very porsche. Tele what mention it. But I'm, you know, he's got huge apartment, and I'm talking to him about growing up in Brooklyn. And being you know, among Sola Jewish kids growing up. They have these to run around in Brooklyn, then going to haul them working for the Kennedy administration and him talking about what it was like being around the Black Panthers and Muhammad Ali and unlikable. It's just that just just how rich sport is. I mean, boxing goes, you know, Banoco books was banned in eighteen thousand nine in America and office back now, and I'm kind of a little against it. I not gain Hamid because the other day. I didn't enjoy the automobile of Jason fight. They'll take because it was so badly cut off to its and I. You know, but but boxing and fight sports and race and culture, and you know, the heavyweight championship it's the so much kind of history bound up in that the growth of people's in America and around the world, and how black and white of come together. Do think on all playing fields Faisal you just hope I don't find. There's a lot of racism, for example. I don't a talked about racism with Mola woes. He's educating me about how black fighters cold when they called a beast or we work off as white fighters. But wickel the beasts because we're black of those bodies just just projection reflection and the intelligence that can be created around fights full. So I think is extraordinarily. And that goes back to my point about Israel. I'm in every time of these men and women, and it's different. And I think people who don't love combat sports like we do don't quite get it because it's all job to tell them shirt. I love the NBA. I love basketball. Yeah. No, I don't she. So you'll have to make me love it. But if I possess the talent that celebrate James has I could envision myself doing that. If I possess the courage and the F lettuce ZIM that say Kelvin gasoline has I don't have that DNA in my body to step in a cage have some close the door behind me. And do what they did on Saturday. Do you know what I mean? I do or don't put you in this way. I'm granddad. Now is you know, you know, and my kids Ugo three little kids as little growing. The way I played, you know, you know, me I'm a little bit rough and tumble. You know? And I'm very physical and play rugby in a, you know, very aggressive. I was very sportsman done some chalance. Now, I'm not either someone have to hit me a few times to get going. But then I'm going I'm going, you know, that I'm sticking a bomb under your car. No, really. And I'm gonna I'm gonna barbecue your grandmother. And I've never saying got Chiltern metaphors. Yes, images. I'm what I'm saying. Is if someone came to your children, imagine intensifying energy into protecting and you can do, and you would and you will you would not run I know that value because I know how much you love your family, and you wouldn't you protect them you'd get shot for the mute fight someone for them whether you'll being hacked to death. You would. And I think what I admire in the fighters is that they've, you know, rather like, we don't get nervous go and TV radio x 'cause we've done it so much, and hopefully we can make sense because I'll brains a worry. Aw, an on voices aecom and composed and thoughts or hopefully interesting. Those guys do that with the Drennan, and they control it. And that's what I admire. I'd like to be able to say, yeah. A do wanna find that guy? I need a reason and their reason is price fighting it's money, and it's the belts. And that guy saying that that's then and that is what admiring them to be able to tighten that energy and say, I'm going to take the blows because it's clear when the adrenaline pumping. You don't feel pain. I know rugby we never felt it. You never felt when you cricket you guy by bowl. You don't feel the pain. Even though that bull can broke mile playing before, you know, you don't feel it at the time and the fi- that's what I love about the fighters they've got all into a narrow and deep channel. And because we say it just in pari that get more experienced bane to the well before they know where they are in the fights in that moment in the fourth at the Sanya pulling out like John Jones. Against Scott, stuff's in in that fourth or fifth round spinning back elbow full-time. He was losing the fi in Toronto was against any. But it's not brilliant genius to be able to change the pattern because what they've done that. So experienced what they're doing the heart rate is still low. That's what admire and all those things to be able to it must be you know, and that failing when they talk about when you to the cage. I mean, we'll never experience it unless we do like each other on the white collar fight. But with getting too old, and you know, you know, not counting ahead kick be like seven first round. Never was saying is that when Drennan comes in slows and like you've given yourself already given yourself to death. You've given yourself to whatever is because they do have to compartmentalize all those things, and it's just the joy of you going with that person and the moment slowing, and you've prepared so hard you go in the gyms. I'll go the gyms these guys so hard in the background CMS count Foale times in the build up to this scene. His body chain as mentality changes is shopping this week in fight week. So just just magical to around because it's so different from anything else. Absolute love it. And it's interesting because you have season Saint Petersburg Russia this weekend right house over him Alexia Lennick, you can watch it on ESPN plus and obviously Russia's in Europe. And why I'm so excited to have you on today and why I'm joined the so much. Honestly, this is heavenly for me. And I hope you don't think I am I'm being facetious when I say, no, no, no, no toolan, I believe, and I get nostalgic about the older. As what you're about to say. You mean when the sport was a little simpler? Oh, yeah. I believe that you aunt Evans of the you have C for a longtime PR, marshalls alas, neck, and Michael Spinks are responsible for building the sport in Europe. And of course, in particular in the UK, but what you guys did with many different jobs, right? Like biffing is the fighter Marshall was the executive aunt Evans. Who is not a household name. But trust me when I say, he was instrumental in us journalists, you guys you really did special stuff there. And I think the sport and the fans they're all four of you that gratitude really bothered me few weeks ago. Dana was doing an interview and took some shots at Marshall. Because a comedy said about the UC, which I don't think were were mean-spirited. But he now works for glory Marshall, I know was in a longtime Emma may guy, he was a an executive in the paper of your business. But you guys did great work. And so I'm wondering now with you know, the sports so big. But with Michael been getting the nod to be in the hall of fame if you have great memories from those days when no one cared about Emma. They're now, they're they're they're going to the two they're going to Russia. They're talking about big events here. And there those early days when you guys were trying to gain acceptance and recognition what was that? Like, it was it was all about changing perception. And, you know, thank you for those comments. And you're right. A lot of people the next on the book. Those people mentioned the next on the book for it because it was seen as books scruffy cousin though, the dockside at the time, I'm happy to crossover to the dockside bay. And it was it was a great journey. It was a very small company. Then I mean, I think are pretty much remembered knew the names Ord interviews, you know, one point up to light two thousand ten probably seventy seven the fighters on the entire roster or you knew them by name by face. I started covering comment sports about two thousand six she doesn't. I've always done the Olympics Nava journalists Ninety-one, so. Why why Emma may well because again, you mentioned and Sevan's I'd seen it. You know, we'd heard of the gracie's. I I ran with a guys that love that kind of thing anyway and the. I think the ants have stayed with a group of finances. Who are they now Marcus Davis was one they'd still really instant characters. And I just thought having written about boxing for have long before that sixteen years before the I just thought these guys really deserve recognition. They really deserve writing about the stories are wider and more broad and more different and different to the ones in boxing, where it tends to be come out particular environment in the hoods, not necessarily the hood. But you know from a tough area as a boxing gym in the air. They got into with for Mexican background in which so many more storylines, and you know, ex-military ex law enforcement wrestlers the Brazilian diaspora into America of with gracie's in. I think the Gracie story 'em as fascinating as the rise of something. Like Muhammad, Ali boxing. Ng? It's that it's that thing that because people live jujitsu a lifestyle. Now, it it kind of incr- encroaches on veganism, and and healthy living, and the California diet, doesn't it? You know, it has a resonance in America like people do jitsu, but they might not be interested in MA, even they just do it as a lifestyle to train, and you know, in his really healthy few rolling around the ground doing lock switching your nuts off is really healthy because it's bloody yards. Do you know what I mean? And and I think so what happens and says, hey, you should start covering those. No, he answer not anti-noise to work on boxing together him some rope some books, and he said the way you write and the way you cover fighters, and you'll the way or interesting if you come into the world, you'll never come back because you'll love the stories you'll love the fighters, they are ROY up you'll streets, and it was absolutely right. And I have been been loving ever since it's been. Absolute pleasure during you know, it's because what we've got now which is nice in the UK is the the USA of being the what thirteen fifteen years, and you know, Bella tolls there as well. Now, they both got big TV deal ballots skysports, which is like the virgin, which is ESPN as sportscenter all the newspapers all the editors have have skysports sports on you know. So that's well placed Bella tour of channel five as well, which is via Viacom company, the a going to be that impermeable forever than not gonna that. There's no budging those three letters of you have see, but it's good because as decent competition. Yeah. Certainly in Europe. Anyway, not here. It's still to remember the first time you met, Michael, y'all. I met him. I met him. He just one tough and of three to three and he was fighting Rashawn Evans, yellow UC, seventy eight. Yeah. Newark New it a we'll much helmet down there. Those days. It was still rough around. The is probably quite hipster is now it's getting there better is in the build up to the mention, oh, what do you know? I was I met him in the Bill of the fi I ended up being at him embedded with his own Toronto. You would pro we the way we the way I wasn't covering the sports fan. We'll tell you what I did. I was like I gave it large on the Mike the way we've come over here to kick the bucks'll Yanks giving it large on the Mike Michael was loving stay. This is almost to go truth. Will remember are just came up to the microphone? I said, you know, we're over here. We're in new just come to kick, some yank but got booed out that you know, big it is crew will loving it. He had a great fight that day. I think it was heavyweight with them. I show. Oh to ultimate fighter winters fought yen Russia because we're shouted being heavyweight yet went down to two. And so that was loss old around besting spent time around him. I don't get see Michael very much. Now. He's such a big superstar these forgotten his? Yeah, I think so little bit really. I don't wanna end up in a bloody internet couldn't give a monkey's, frankly. But Michaels gray whenever saying we hug we kiss and down a mutual co. He's great. But in all honesty, are you hurt by this? Now, why would I be helped by his journey? I was just a messenger on. I wrote a lot of stories about the girl. I know. I I did a lotta broadcasting Michael I helped to build and promote but done that with a hundred other Pfizer's. Okay. I love this industry. You know, I did a little on Dan hardy never mentioned may or entering his book, you know, and and to the lot with him as well. I think Dan's become a big figuring he could have remembered that a little bit. But it's not criticism is just people's journeys. What we were doing at the time, and I enough rewards and recognition for what I do, you know, I'm just a messenger. But I love, you know, I it's literally like you. And I we get to like you said when you go home and a Monday and you go back to the family on Monday night. And you're done the he'll wanna. Show. And you've had like you've literally done sportscenter for four days. What they would do you everyone on you always get ever. But you get almost ninety percent of the need on. You can always way to improve. As always always always. There's always those guys coming on. They are not coming on trust me. So it's not that problem. Yeah. It's not your problem. It's that problem, frankly. So like, you say it's to celebrate the fact that I was on that journey best thing, and it was fantastic on that journey with Dan, you know, when he four George saint-pierre they were Kohnic moments for in the history of British mixed martial arts. And I'm just glad I was that close to those people other need to be their best friends forever. Right. Do you know what? I mean, we all move on. You know, I've got my thing. They've got I don't, you know, but the great that fantastic heroes in Freeman is vote you like it as much as you did back then covering the sport tons do. I I love big events. I loved fights events all of the Paralympics much did. Did when I started covering in ninety six I'm going to my whatever it seventh or eighth in Tokyo. And it's about is. You know, you know, 'cause you're asking, you know, this when you're in I'm in my element. You know, you got the trolled all trolls are don't. That's what don't like it's like because they just don't know, you know, and also even some youngsters coming through in the sport trying to cover it like, no you'll history, you know, have some respects like my. I'm lucky about myself people at Jeff wagon Heim think Kevin probably some of the oldest people at work in mixed. Martial arts in the media macropod media guys, and they won't be anyone older whereas in boxing, still go Bob Arum in his eighties and calling halts who's one of my mentors in his eighties rights for the son who cover the entire Ali Korea. An I the racially search that brains for wisdom and information when I them for lunch on you know, is that normal is the cyclical right and thinking. Whitton stole this before will feel a cycle in the sports every fifteen years, you know, what are the changes in as fascinating as it's because there's no st- keep going back to this. But there's no other sport. Like, you know, where if you if you play tennis at Wimbledon the winner gets two million in the men some of that and the lose against a million. You never have an event were, you know, the the winner's getting two hundred forty million in the lose getting a hundred and twenty million. There is no other than other lie that we saw that. With Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor is the ultimate the ultimate thing in sports entertainment when the event comes together, right 'cause it's two men or two women fighting so Super Bowl with these massive teams in halftime, it's super fighting, and that many people wanna make it worth six hundred million dollars on a night. That's extrordinary for me Darren tell just that you were there. I think a lot of people thought that he would be the next Michael Spinks doesn't add it. I'm is not as tall as being best ping. Is there an expert member ping was a converted Sal shares? You know that? So his his jab his jab was extrordinary 'cause it was his strong hand. He he lived off that jab any work, really hard. And his wrestling go bathroom. He lived in America. What tilted very well. As a young man was going Brazil for three years. Learn scouts Brazilian as he saw. And I liked Darren is a charming, man. He's a big man as well. But I just think. He just the match ups and things haven't gone his way in the law school. My I didn't think he'd be Thompson either. By the way, had Thompson winning that fight. And always there live in the pool lost year. And I think it'll be honest about how you see things. Like Absolutely I'll only while Satyo say to some Pfizer's face. That's my rule. Sure. I won't write what I won't say someone's face, even if they don't like it. I wanna know as good to very good rule. Is there a new face that you're excited about in British MC Leonid Edwards? Leone Edwards is very good. Now oversleep talks about him. Yeah. Well, he's you know, he's a kind of quiet guy. But we this is what I found strangers some UFC London. In was it March sixteen the obviously there was an issue with the whole mass without. Yeah. And legally say that must be called him poor cabinet spaniel Kawano of us. My no, no, I throw a story metrical other in Philadelphia. Why? Hispaniola the just one eight three seven years really our yard. I'm matriculated in Spanish degree thirty three years ago. Yeah. Love speaking Spanish, very very handy with canal and all those valley at the hair on for the flight. So saying, you know, Harry, Jesus jamming in the built up while I was you know, I'm like how fun in the mirror. You don't like it and you'll say to me professional, but I am that's just me being listen me. No. It's not nobody. It's you kinda going on with different anyway. But for them is amazing all week, the whole British public celebrates it's amazing backstories relationship with the great all slice rest in peace lovely, Manny was did a two hour consort with him one day for CBS or someone so mazing while it was so gentle such a gentleman. But he was like a like so scary. Scary. But it was so it was lovely. Anyway. What was I going with this leeann Edward, leeann Edwards, mass Fidel, one Leonid woods was brilliant against the jujitsu savant. Gunny Nelson really schooled him, frankly, was brilliant performance. And when mas- Vidal sucker punched an I'm calling sucker punch when he sucker punched Edwards off towards because he walked away from the interview. I mean it happens, and it's not the worst thing in the world. And he didn't do anything really horrible. But it was technically assault in my view rise resin up the rankings. You didn't get the bonus Diddy or did he get bonus? Remember, you shouldn't because it was the ad hoc commission. He if it was in Nevada to got six months suspension. I'm sure your basic point is nothing's happened. Only getting a big fight against Ben ash. And really, it's just gonna get wrestle Disney. You know? But but Leonid was against Fidel in the UK would have been great fi olien Edwards. Yeah. That fight that would've worked that was Edwards. Be the next pissing. Oh, no, no. Best ping oversights abyss spring with his looks and my voice because he tell us at best. On his often. These villains voice, and I always say to him with your looks in my voice, we could have been JAMES BOND. But no the thing is he's done brilliantly incredibly successful career. It'll take an awful lot the longevity aerial of his achievements. So extraordinarily and the and the and the resilience the never say die the come back and back and back again members three semifinals to try and get to the middle way belts. I was very very pleased for money when he beat Lou grow colts win the belts and one against Sanderson silver in London. That was a great scene only my favorite of all time. I was honored to be there live that was I mean when he got knocked out, and then they realize it wasn't a proper knockout in the fight. Continued just amazing. That fight encompasses who Michael Spinks is with the face that picture of him with the blood one of my favorite moments covering the sport. Was you have C one twenty bis being Akiyama and Dana ways up Manchester or London was lon- London. Day sexy Oma. Yes, the great. They noise giving a talk at Oxford University. I went we both ways, and you were kind enough to give me a lift to. The we go here we go. Of driving with Gareth. Now, this is twenty. So this is I believe the top of my head two thousand ten Gareth is an international superstar. They love him over there. He is their own were in London Gareth says he's going to give me ride which was very kind of him to do. And we stop off to get some Gaz in a bite to eat in the middle of nowhere. Middle of no middle of of the of the freeway. That's right. Go to guy who is serving food at the gas station stops and asks me are you area? Who wanna now I'm only in the business at this point like three years you've been in the business decades and has no idea who Garrod this. But knew exactly who I was. So I remind Gareth of this all the time that was fun though, going Oxford and seeing the time, I don't know what the crime society. Not. I don't think that sounds like a Jewish thing. It was I think it was look I think they just invited speakers. There is a crime that with Maradona Maradona came. Yeah. That was amazing. Wouldn't you? If he said we're going out for a week you'd have to go. You'd have to. But some knows amazing amazing to see daynuss face. Like looking around the in the but was which library was at now. But I can't remember. But it was amazing. Yeah. It was very very funny that day. But listen, you know, the thing is what you did so brilliantly. Was you stuck to your guns? And you you resonated and grew with the internet the internet was in its big, you know, a social media was in his big spot growth. And I I I say this to every time I say, you you are the go-to guy with what's happening in the school in, you know, and that's not why brought the story by the way to shall I say privately as well. So, you know. And you know, you've done a brilliant job doing it. But what's been brilliant? From that time is the because I did the one of the first demo shows on ESPN Joan anime live with Reshad Evans and Stephan bona looking into the into like, a psycho, and we get control sometimes with caring portly, and we used to go in studio, and I was the mad internet when the mountains national correspondent, I was involved in twelve fifteen of those I presented them alive. Co presented with Kenny Florian in Bristol. And it was a great time and the internet show was so good at full onto TV lot yours has you've forced your show, which has become so popular onto TV because because of the Foxtail for seven years because of the brilliance of Dana, white and Lorenzo fatigue, frankly and learn some Epstein at at the C they have moved on to bigger platforms. They have really pushed the sport for there is more drug testing as penalize them in some ways. Because it was riddled in the sport at times. But the whole thing is grown so brilliantly. The it is now in the mainstream landscape in America. And it's just starting in the UK, which is which is great really could. I ask before we wrap this up. And again, I feel like we can go for two hours could easily approaching the end is there like when you're eighty years old nine years old in your your countryside mansion with your grandchildren, and they they ask grandpa forty to three of those anyways times are can make it to eighty. Wow. That'd be amazing. And they ask you about your favorite memories, your favorite moments, your favorite events, your favorite fights covering MMA. The cinema may show. So I know you have a ton for boxing. But is there a time? When you look back right now that you know, these moments will stick with you interactions stories fights events, you have I I'm sure just a closet full of those. But closetful. Yeah. I don't know they're close at full. But. That. No because I think most people in the closet. They're out there because most people say in the mole at some point. No, I think. Doing those first shows on satanic sports, like twenty minutes into a new show and just having a very small briefing and just suddenly doing a twenty minute show. Those that those shows this PIN with all those guys have gone on the working with Randy could sure helping to bring 'em into the mainstream is sometimes I wish I was working more sensually like you do in. But NATO I'm so busy of worked for the USA. Now, not working for the working more on ballot. Or the moment I'm working on channel five in the UK on the ballot or events. And that's great. Because I again, I think I've gone back to helping sport grow. That's because it's more fun than I do lightly early days where we all used to roll into a club after an event or do it's show enroll into the so corporate now everyone so exhausted at the end of it. It really is big giant sports entertainment. I the one thing I lament. The rise and rise economy Gregor because I've done documentaries or as well. And it'll clips with him that people always go all my remember that moment when you told him he was the interim champion on the champion, and that was fun being around best ping and the the silver visible fights in Vegas is very big fights at the MGM. 'cause I preferred the MGM to the new T mobile arena in agree. More had something about it had had the magic dust the Madison Square on the well we worked studios AM be radio row all of that. And the books still does that little bit. It's it's those nights. It's those fights. It's those it's those fight weeks that I love, you know, and you know, it's just privileged. But it's a privilege. Also have a brain understands fight sports and fighters, you know, and that they respect says, you know, people can say what they want on the internet fans duffer. But you know, I know you have you proud fighters a little bit more than I two, but it's it's just a privilege of it. So. Yeah. I don't have a single. It's a Colo Colo's. Yes. Great answer. Gareth woulda what would a would time this has been really privilege use that were just moments ago. I'm so happy that you reminded me that you're here for Crawford. Con do this face to face because I don't know if you've ever done ashore pug is ago when you the day, right? Well, no came in. I was drunk on alert. Shaquille came in the studio. The ratio put my feet up on the desk different. Right. We're a little older we've seen of skinflints keta finished dinner at one m no it's not that. I think what is we have both been through tax where. When you 'cause I did this with the Paralympics, and I had anyone ever asked me about my greatest sporting moment. As journalist was the London twenty twelve Paralympic Games, excuse me. Because if I'm the godfather in some ways of Morton, the youngsters who cover modern combat sports as you called it. I really I'm the godfather of the coverage of major impairment picks like an I, and I'm very in self entitled, and you know, what I'm not yourself. No one three world awards. You know? So I understand telling stories and people always come to me and say, how should I come apparel parallel picks an Icee, which is why live by really without making this kind of this is your life is like be real just be yourself. See what describe what you're seeing talk about the triumph of the human spirit happening in front of you talk about these human beings. And how extraordinary though, they don't like it. But they are they're just athletes in their mind. And I think I think with. With what we've done in this industry. The reason we're here now is because we were at that stage when it was rule, but it's mainstream. So we're we're a bit more smooth about it than we ever were. And we've got serious things to say as an influence on lots of people. You know, it's it's a mentioned by knuckle boxing earlier. I don't really want it to be on TV. It's find on the internet. But my view is. I don't want youngsters doing Banoco boxing. 'cause it's not good for you as great when guys know what to do. But I think wed gloves. You know? So I think we've come through that together in in the mixed martial arts world, and you know, we're kind of kind of many celebrities in our own role within the industry yet. No. You know, you love it when they line up for the autograph stop. No, it's tough because it takes time. Yeah. I are being Gareth. Now. It's hard. It's not hard been Gareth. It's amazing. You know, it's a good life. Yes. That Gareth what a pleasure, obsolete pleasure. And for doing this, my manager Gareth Davies of the Daily Telegraph of talksport of William Hill, a fighters only of the garrison Aaron podcast, the man, whereas many many hats, he's one of my dear friends in this business. What love so much about Gareth is that he is who he is take him or leave him. But there's no ego there there's no competition there. We've always sort of lived in the same space. But we we went into it once or twice. I don't remember raised it from my mind. Keep up the great work. My man is a pleasure to be with you really anytime in New York. I'd love to come home with you. Absolutely. And check out his coverage this weekend of Crawford. Con at MSG that is going down on ESPN pay per view and all his coverage Gareth Davies on Twitter as well Instagram. I just learned I didn't know that. All right. We are at a time. Thank you very much Daniel back in Bristol for all his hard work in making this show possible. Thanks to all of you who continue to rate. Subscribe comment. Download all those things more of a different ememy reporters this week. But I gotta say maybe my favorite one. It's been great catching up with great Gareth Davies at your time. Thank you so much for listening. Enjoy the fights this weekend. We'll talk to you next week.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 12

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It's a Hawaiian on this Wednesday, April third two thousand and nineteen great to be here with all of you for another episode of the reporters, I'm in New York City. There's always a lot to talk about in the world of mixed martial arts. And this is a lot of fun because I have company again joining me in studio. My good pal the one and only the incomparable the middle Shem car Sandhu of ESPN dot com. Sandy my man. How are you very, well, I know that said no about a month ago, and you invited me on. But it was a schedule conflict you did. But I'm glad that my debut on the show is something that we can do impasse. Yes. Yes. You did say no to me I asked you to be on a couple of weeks ago, and that was like a knife in the heart. I must say I was like what you have better things to do than my m airport show that is so near dear to my heart. And you're right. This is your debut on their mortars. You're on the post show. Oh back in the day. Cross. I yes. Back in the day like three months ago when you were in town by now here, you are for the reporters. This is great stuff. So it's good to have you here. You are here for wrestlemainia. Right. This has been a vacation for you. If you will. Yes. So I'd be interested mania for many many years with a little friends of mine, and the this was a little bit of a last minute trip because the the numbers in my Ma social circle that light pro wrestling in terms of wanting to make the yearly trip to wrestlemainia on is now doing the link to the maybe in the previous as as being maybe six seven eight of us shes a couple of. Wow. And I'm only agreed to come because I can kill a few birds with the same stone family of New York that I love that. I love to spend time with it gives me a chance to see some friends of mine ESPN make a trip to Bristol which did a Monday. And. Yeah, so gun called to wrestlemainia again down the road. This may be. My lost one while that one songs. Yes. So the thing is this is a bit of a funny one. Because in previous is I followed or the storylines of watched role and smackdown been emotionally invested to get that funnel payoff with all the matches. And you know, every happens at wrestlemainia, whereas this shit. I haven't watched anything I've kind of kept up to date with bits and pieces on social media. But I'm as casual as can be now, obviously, still got my finger on the pulse. Kind of know what's going on? But it'll be interesting to see how I kind of enjoy the rest of many experienced and how the payoffs affect me as a fan and participant amongst the crowd. I'm going to ask you a little more about all that later in the show when it's just unite feel towards the end of the program, we're going to be joined by a good friend, Phil Murphy, and he's gonna join us and in a matter of seconds. We're going to be joined by our colleague over at ESPN dot com Brett Okamoto, so. Stance stand by for that. I I didn't want to start with this topic again this week because it feels like we've started with Conor McGregor the last couple of weeks. But as we are taping this at around two fifteen pm eastern time on Wednesday afternoon. April third, it seems like the most talked about thing in MMA is the back and forth between Conor McGregor hubby muggy made off on social media. And in particular Twitter yesterday Conor McGregor sent out a tweet mocking. I guess you can say Feb Raga made offs wife. And then shortly thereafter, he deleted that tweedy. Also sent out a tweet about a family member of his in an truly there after he'd Lou that tweet, and then today Habib after those tweets, obviously, blew up because nothing stays deleted on social media now has responded and has said some things about Connor. And it just really feels like this has gotten really really. Ugly. And this has turned. It reminds us of what happened back in October and in the build up to their fight at U of C to twenty nine and it's it's bringing back those emotions, so I wanna get your take on that Sandu. I also wanna say Hello to our colleague Brad Okamoto who's in Las Vegas right now. And welcome him into the program bread. How are you? Doing good. How are you guys doing great good to have you back on the show? So so like, I said, you know, I I didn't wanna start with this. But I feel like we have to start with it. Because it's the biggest story happening. Right. This moment. Do you share that sentiment on me? Like this. This is family religion. This is even worse in my opinion than some of the stuff that was said and done leading up to that fight a UFC two twenty nine and it's just it's not why we love the sport. Right. Like, I think we all love trash talking. I think we love feuds and the culmination of feuds and heat if you will. But this feels like it's getting really uncomfortable and could turn very very ugly and going to a really dark place very soon. Do you agree? Yeah. Totally agree. I mean, I really don't have much more to add I agree with you. The trash talk can be fine and Conor McGregor is brand of trash talk has been fine up until about you know, a year ago. I mean, I thought he was always great at identifying things that that could bother his opponent like logical warfare. If you will always always very strong. But I mean, this this is just. It's I mean, there's nothing good about it. There's no good that comes out of this is just being sensitive like saying, oh, you know, I'm offended by this by that. No, this is completely unnecessary. It it goes against sort of. I think what we like about both guys, and we'll be like about this sport. So I'm in agreement with you. I think it's lazy banter, quite frankly between them, I you know, I mean Connor going on Twitter rampage last night, where he's posting photos of, you know, select photos of sparring match with a retired boxer there. Now more than a year old like like, I'm just kind of over man. I I think that the fan base in general is also feeling that way as well. Like, what is this? Like what what are you trying to prove here? What point are you making really even with Connor just it's it's in bad taste, and yeah, not a fan of it. I agree with Bret on this one as well. I like cerebral witty back and back-and-forth our member max Holloway had a trip to island a few months ago. And he went to the Jameson. And he went to Croke park. And you know, that was a lot of fun in terms of taking some slide. It will jobs corna McGregor the stuff that Kona did yesterday and could be today. It just doesn't do anything for me. I mean, they're not even booked for a fight Khanna's, quote, unquote, retired could be still, you know, serving a suspension. So what does this fall? Where are we going with this? What is building tools, regardless of how we feel about it personally. Right. They are two of the biggest stars in the sport in the world right now, they are ambassadors of 'em and the UFC, and you know, everyone, you know, that I see on. I mean to be honest with you despite how we may feel about this. There are people online that are eating the stuff up. Really? They are they it's it's kind of sad to see. But I think sometimes we don't know how folks outside of the hardcore may community chewing this kind of stuff up and digesting it this is kind of got Wellstone hip, hop written all over it. He. Whoa. Dom company. He went there. And all now, the rematch has got to do the rematch now, and like kind of slept on it from when Kona said his stuff last night. And I woke up this morning trying to think a little bit more about what you know, where is it leading to and annot that you know, Kona is clearly negotiating with the UFC in terms of willy willy, not return. So was this perhaps, you know, a play to get Kabieh to tell you. Hey, I'm gonna come back. But now, I want that rematch. He's gone personal. But maybe I'm stretching with that theory. Let me ask you this actually makes me want to see the fight less. Like, I feel like let's say in some weird world they made this fight today because of this now I would be dreading the two months leading up to the fight because I feel like it would just get worse. This is doing the exact opposite of this theory that you're throwing out. I don't think it's crazy theory. But is having the the reverse effect on me? What do you think of that? And but San nailed it is that unfortunately, mixed martial arts and boxing. You know, you want that in there as well. There's a weird dynamic where where what what casual fans what probably isn't what they should want. But, but they're they're they don't know any better, you know. And that's that's nothing against anybody. Who's just casually follows the sport or doesn't watch every single and every single Delatour and every single one championship fight every single weekend nothing against that. But the problem there is that they they get excited by something like this. And it doesn't surprise me. At all the people are talking about this. I mean, in a way, you almost can't blame Connor to a certain extent for being lazy with his trash talk and for doing things like this. Because it does work people people now are like, yeah. Let's let's see that rematch. Now, you know, they forget that the first five really wasn't super competitive that cubby has has plenty of other people to fight, and and their attention should be on next hallway Pori if anything else that coming up in a matter of, you know, ten days, but they're gonna be talking about, you know, just just some tweets. It was some some, you know, offensive overtones to it. I. It's just it's a sport that, unfortunately, it's just a part of of the sport that we cover that. It doesn't always align. Right. The three of us can sit here, and and probably all agree with what you just said area that that I I didn't really need to see the fight the rematch to begin with. I don't wanna see a rematch and now to this type of build up. I think we it's it's similar to what we all said about when when McGregor fought Mayweather. I didn't need to see that fight. When really falls a sport needs to see that fight. But but the casual fans demanded it, and they're probably going to demand this rematch. I don't think that the US is going to put that rematch together. But there's no doubt that it. I think if you took a poll of just any sports fan out there. I mean, one of us putting out a pool probably won't do it. It would have to be some pull of just a generic sports fan. Who would you like to see Conor McGregor fight the most what you think you think twenty four Gibson is gonna win that, you know, you just engage. He is gonna win that it's going to be could be and that's just reality. I, unfortunately, I couldn't agree more. I do think that fans are starting to get a little bit tired of this back and forth. I personally feel like family is completely out of bounds. You're crossing the line. Like, I hated when DC brought up John Jones's wife a couple of weeks ago months ago, I should say on Instagram before they're the John Jones Alexandria. And it just makes me really uncomfortable. And the tweets that Connor sent out yesterday was anti semitic was very offensive. I mean towards Muslim people towards his I mean, it's offensive towards his family. And then in the fall ten even today be bringing up I can understand why is upset honestly, I can understand. It's unfortunate that you have to go where he went. But this is just completely ugly. It's so ugly that it's amazing week later. We've completely forgotten about the retirement their retirement that was just the thing. Now. Right. Like, no one even takes this. Seriously. Dana white is openly talking about negotiations and trying to get him back. And it just feels like another misstep, you know, like, we're we're speaking today on the one year anniversary of Habib slapping, Artem which really my -pinion almost like started this downward spiral. How do we get this train back on track? Because it feels like every step of the way every misstep is just being magnified and the fans are losing interest. And they're losing hope and they're like I talked to my barber yesterday. And he's like enough of this. I'm tired of this stuff. Right. Like doesn't feel that way to you. It does enough people online not thrown out. The idea of the UFC intervening may be behind the scenes getting these guys on a coal of mediating, insist to kind of music, do you have C should reprimand Connor for autumn about reprimanding, but definitely kind of like like in a de-escalate situation because on the way to go from here, how how many more possible jobs, all you're gonna take another combat sports in general? You know has a history of flies crossing the line. So to speak when it comes to culture in a race religion things. That nature. But again, what we building towards there's no there's no fight book or anything between these not that as an excuse for. They're saying what they're doing. I'd like to UFC kind of get involved in some respect again. Whether it's with or without our knowledge, whether it's public or not be nice. But I think things on so personal with these guys are evening how where you'd begin with not that bright you if she's not going to do anything. Right. I mean, they I know they have a code of conduct. But history of shown this is not the kind of thing that they really reprimand anyone for speech. I don't think you're gonna see any type of public action. I will say that. I've I've reached out to some people in the you're seeing that, hey, you know, what you think of this is something that you you. I mean, what are your thoughts on your own thoughts on not steer the steer the conversation one way or the other not say, oh, yeah. I'm paul. What do you think? Like, I just what what do you think of this? And responses I've got inhibited there that this isn't what they want. You know, I think that you're always whether whether or not they always visit or not they like conflict. And they like things that you can build around. And I mean, they use Conor McGregor throwing Dali got a bus and their and their promotional packages. But I I think you know. Everything has a limit. And and the US is not happy to see something like this. And then from what I've heard that they have reached out to both guys and said, hey, you know, this is this is not it. I believe that has happened. But to answer your question directly. No, I don't think any type of public punishment to this. The one silver lining is that someone did get to Connor and say take this down. But again as I said earlier, the damage is done and clearly sought. So that's the problem. You want to say something? This isn't exactly the first time corner McGregor has quote on cross the line either. He's to apologize in public about some homophobic slurs that he's kind of said in the post Madonna know, if he'd be willing to come out and apologize for delete tweet. Now, you said they was definitely anti semitic tones to what you said, the whether he realized at the time, all you know, what kind of condition he was when he was actually throwing out all of these tweets he went on a tirade yesterday taking Pooley Manashi. And you know, then then could be. Be and his his friends and things that nature. So there's the history there, you know. And sometimes these things go on because because he other guests. In the the mainstream, you know fan spectrum or think of corner as this braggadocious, you know, main eventing champion of UFC and those things on really kind of highlight as of Nussbaum's it should be bread. I feel like something. Go ahead. Why was just gonna throw out there something across my mind and all of this. It doesn't really necessarily like address anything that either. One of you have said, but it has crossed my mind. And that is that. Connors form of trash dog. Now, kind of it's sort of reminds me of Foyt Mayweather from the standpoint of that that he he's lost. He's lost touch with his audience. I feel like congress. There was always someone who had touch with his audience, and I don't and that was just an organic natural thing that he had. But you know, like like when Foy is talking about money like, that's that's the only thing he ever throws out there. And it works at sells. It gets headline. You'll casual fans wanna see they wanna see his lifestyle this or that like like like like void always bring pull the back to money. Like the conversation has nothing to do with money or fight has nothing to do with money or like a trash talker. A better has to do with any starts talking about how much watch costs or something like that. You know? And it's like he doesn't understand. It's almost like he's lost touch with his audience. And I feel I caught him Gregor's. That's starting to happen to him a little bit. You know? And if you understand it, you're going to stay when you become such a celebrity to anything you put out it's twenty five thousand likes on Twitter. And you're just like, yeah. Nailed it. You know, like everything I'm putting out is resonating the way which I wanted to. But. It's it's kinda not, you know, it's just like this celebrity culture that we have and everything but in combat sports as well as anything he puts out there. Just like it's just it's eating up so quickly. Even if it's trash, you know, and and I think that that's something that's kind of a setting what he's putting out there on the quality of what he's putting out there because it used to be contemplated in really put out anything that wasn't really high quality everything that he said had purpose and everything he said like meant something, you know. And now, it just it just doesn't and it's sad to see. And to add to a branch said talk about high quality medical one, April Fools day dec-, by the way. I mean, you know, everyone was gonna you know, I think, but this state was social taught of April Fools jokes. Specially if you can use media, but what Colorado put out with regards to little add full shop. Sean prosaic was just brilliant. Production quality was rich it worked people found it funny and detaining, and there were so many things in that video package, which reminds me of the old quantum Grega. The. The kind of a wink to the camera the Chom, and that's corner is best lost night on the twenty four hours probably colorized west. Yeah. In a weird way seems like ABI brings out the worst in him because you know with Nate. He almost crossed the line a couple times with some of the things that he said but Indian I felt like there's deep down a mutual respect there between the two I don't feel like there is that mutual respect tune club even Connor, and that's why it brings out the worst in in in Connor. And quite frankly, I don't I don't begrudge be responding for being upset. That's your wife that someone is talking about in a very disrespectful way. And all of a sudden read a have to say, it feels like we're in some kind of bizarro world like we went from the retirement last week, which was deja-vu of three years ago. And now we're talking about poly mall, nausea again. And we're talking about Artem Lobov in. We're talking about you know, a year after the slap and the Dalai anniversary's coming up and the tweets between even Connor gosh. We just move on from all this. And I. I did a show with jail where we talked about Pauline, and Artem and I said like, I'm all this was fun. I liked it. It felt organic. I'm okay with it. Because he needs something to jump start them. Great. But now, I'm almost mad at that. Because it feels like it led to all of this right last night. How do you feel about what happened yesterday between Artem and Polly do feel like it was it was fun? It was organic or do you think it was contrived, and you're rolling your eyes at it? Is it okay? To say both. I do think it was contrived. I did roller is what I saw it. But it's also fun. It's hard, you know. And it's it's it's the best thing that could happen for both of their careers, quite frankly, I mean Polly wants to fight it. Which clearly does he signed a deal with our knuckle? If he wants to fight, Artem. Yeah, we can do that. And we can we can all laugh at it. And look at it for what it is. And that's fine. You know, kudos to both guys for for generating interested in, you know, for for creating that type of moment. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, what we're talking about Connor is is just different, you know, and obviously Connor Connor. He's held to a different standard than I think both guys. Like, I said both those guys no disrespect them their report point in their career where? Yeah, have a little fun to do something like that. But Connor is still arguably, you know, theoretically, the prime of his career any of us sitting here would probably say that that maybe he's one of the top ten pound for pound fighters in the world, but we kinda don't know anymore just because of you know, his activity and all of this uncertainty about what his future looks like. I'm gonna I'm gonna say something here that will probably while up all the hubby people. But I think how you've had an opportunity to kill this. How had an opportunity to to to take the higher road. And I, and I don't I don't mean to say that you know, we're giving Connor a pass, and he can say whatever he wants to you know, we're gonna criticize Hoppy for responding. But but he had an opportunity there to just be the bigger guy, and he had it back back in October as well when when he wanted to fight, and I understand everything that is done, and I sympathize for it, and I I don't I'm not gonna sit here and criticize him for it. But I will say that I do wish that Habib had had treated this whole situation differently. I wish you would've taken higher. I wish you wouldn't have gone suspended by the Vada. I wish he would have done what he said he was gonna do. And then he was going to bring order back to this lightweight division. When he was a champion. Things are going to be different. If I were division move again, he was going to bring back some of some type of order to the sports gonna fight. Tony Ferguson noted that civic fighters out of his control, but he was going to sort of get things back onto out of the corner. World, you know, and the big opportunities where he's had a chance to do. So he has chose to drive it further into the Connor world. And that that's that's been disappointing to see has been disappointing actions from both guys appreciate the inset. No, you have to run and do an interview right now. So we will let you go. We'll talk to you next week. All right. Yep. Good time talking to you guys next week right there. Brel Komodo wanna get your response to that. Sandy, what do you think that is a very interesting point on his part? He can you know, bite his tongue. He can't take the high road. I'm reminded of a quote from the great Michelle Obama when she said, you know, when they go low we go. Hi, I do sympathize as someone who comes from a Middle Eastern background in is religious to degree making fun of religion wives. I mean, these are deeply personal things. But do you feel like Habib could have? Maybe not this this this one is still simmering. But with some of his actions could he have taken a different route. And stop these things from getting worse. I thought he would. But when you had lined the biggest pay per view, and you have see history with this guy. You know, I know that you know, the public persona RAs he wants to fight then than the the rightful challenger, and like Bret said bring order back to the lightweight division. I used was wonder how much money changes people's minds and hot on fight for how much money they wanna make maximize their ability to draw an generate revenue and in a corner and can be right now would be what will the rematch would easily still be the biggest pay per view break forty the record that was set last year. And then when you can think about, you know, this is mortgage the business financial sides in a something in a in a in a in a monthly period that would boost ESPN plus of stripers, you know, to get cash. Joel's and mainstream found on board sign up that's the one right there. So he always comes down to money and business and things like that. It's sad that some of the things that can potentially lead the Andrew like I said combustibles history of fi is crossing the line when it comes to rice, religion, and culture and things that nature family. But that sells it's sad to say. But I'll stuff sells. But yeah. Going back to the regional point outdo wish. I had hoped that could be would just, you know, take the high road, but he clearly hasn't and an an don't know where it's gonna go from head how much depression personal in a how much further are these guys gonna cross the line yet? This is will be tweet in case you missed it as it's the one that as of right now is still up. And I wanna read the end I wanna read the last part where he says your hypocrite who is not responsible for your actions. Justice will find you. We will see like man that is dark stuff. It is. How did you feel about the Artem Lobov? Pauline. Is she altercation yesterday? I loved it. Okay. A bro. Small to my face. I first of all autumn is demand. Yes. Gotta he's is our he is the mak-. He forever will be the goat. And you know, the funny thing I totally forgot he was fighting Jason night this weekend. Okay. Anyone that doesn't really know what's going on? And who's flying in the main event of be KFC this weekend? You would think that it's poorly on Ozzie and autumn lobe of with. Okay. So that brings up a great point. So be KFC five is this weekend. Baloch see it's Artem Lobov against Jason night. Former U of C fighter which is fun in its own writer, but all the talk all the buzz all the hype. The incident has today is Artem and Polly. This leads me to feel like something bad is going to happen. And they wanna book that fight for June. Twentieth. And Artem told me on Monday over guardless of what happens this weekend. Of course. I'm gonna win. But regardless what happens I'm still finding that guy June twentieth. Why would you risk it? Right. Just save Artem for June. Right. I doubt Polly could have fought this soon because he just came out of retirement and. He only signed like a month ago. Just save don't risk it. Right. You want Arte making his beak AFC debut. Paulie, a boxing. Great makings be against each other up Jason night. I is a mistake. One hundred percent agree. They could have easily a few weeks ago just decided to call an audible and change things round for this particular event. But man, how do you not do that? How do you not save that fight because that's what everyone's talking about that video yesterday went viral. There's obviously a lot of history there with, you know, autumn's relationship with Kana and sparring session from Las chair, and who they are representing Navis boxing will stop right and look anything can happen in two months. A lot of a lot of things can go wrong. You you to strike while the hall as they say what if autumn loses weekend. What if he's got an injury on a multitude what if poorly gets cold feet or says actually are amount on so many things can happen and deviate off. This path is is it was so great yesterday. Again. Like, I said every. One would think that they're flying this weekend? There was an anything of of mentioned when it comes to chase not yesterday. Nothing. All I was seeing people talk about poorly and autumn. And there was like, I think facing night wasn't even there, exactly. Even at the media day. Which is another mistake having their to Greg get the rub from the media that we're attending. Right. And then can we just give shout out to Anthony robot vows, actually, my next poem? I got him this guy. I will he looks like a super heavyweight heavyweight. I mean, this guy's notice that I write. He's they're holding back. Polly wearing a backpack. One arm holding back. The other arm is holding the other hand is holding. Is so Fode. I mean, he's talking about World Service like straight out of that. I don't even know what he's filming at this point. I have not seen his footage come out yet. But it was great. Yeah. His presence. There was phenomenal took the new enforcer became FC like not he'll never fight for them. But if he's just that guy who gets in between the face offs actually pretty good role for Johnson the super heavyweight. Yeah. What a great cameo with these videos going viral. He looks so Hench. Yes. I mean, goodness gracious me. I mean, imagine if you want to return to the spoil my dont think making to five ever again. But I I saw a lot of people roll. There is a solid people say it was fake. I actually felt like it was real. I thought it was legit like the the slap. I watched it several times it looked legit. I actually I actually get a kick out of Polly's trash dog. He cracks me up. I don't know why I was not tired of him leading into the mayor their fight. I thought he was a fun character. He was a new wrinkle, and I'm tired of him. Now. I have to be honest. A lot of people are gonna get mad. But I was eating it up his line. Like that was a a slap for be. I mean that was great stuff. That was great love. I love Polly's, Brad. And then the stuff that Hussein's like for boxing. I'm gonna do for boxing, disrespect boxing. That's a great angle right there. Yes phenomenal. So I was really tired of poli the lead up to really make fight right? 'cause he was going off to Kona, and it was just too much every single day. And it was just chewing Matala time line to the point. Thing. I in follow them. I just couldn't handle on Twitter anymore. Right. But because enough time has passed, and this is an tweets this him and his personal shining through in person, though, it was just it was it was magic from the magic mind. It was the brilliant stuff. Enough time is now paused where he hasn't been over exposed to to myself anyway on his and it's been a while people forget he was always a charismatic boxer. You know in his time. He knows how to play the game high pup fights. I don't think that slap and that whole CNN scuffle was staged a think everyone involved that they would just do a face off in the face of enough would be would be enough to actually go viral and in slowly and subtly build tools zero ventral fight in June. But then you know, when pointed that slapped him, and then just went off from the camera. It was just it was perfect. It was how do you feel about be KFC bare knuckle fighting fan, personally, if I'm being honest doesn't really do anything for me on wish the oldest. Success in the world. But yeah, no. This is slow much, right? Yeah. It's hard for me to watch. Yeah. And and and I know people like, oh, it's fighting. You know, will like don't be a was bare knuckle, it just seems much. It seems a little too gruesome for me gory. I think also a love Emma may so much is actually hard for me to like any other combustible and like I enjoy the odd boxing match, especially when it's like a big global event. But I don't, you know, watch jujitsu just to jitsu. I don't watch just karate iota Cuando kickboxing tournaments. I was never really into glory personally. Right. Even though. Yes. Some fantastic highlight reel knockouts, and it's fun. But I love anime so much. That's what I wanna see all the time and not just a segment of mixed. Martial arts another none of the fashions so to speak. I find it interesting that it seems like the boxing world doesn't pay much attention to be gifts. He and it seems like the MA world MMA. Media covers more than the boxing media. When in reality, it's much more like boxing than it is Emma may it's essentially a boxing match theirs modified rules, but it's essentially a boxing match with no gloves. Yeah. Maybe us because a lot of may find his thing. So it's gonna win away. That is like why they've tried to tap into the MA fighters slash anime fan base as opposed to try to get more. Polly Mellon nineties. You know what I mean? Yeah. Good point. Like, there's the bec Rawlings of the world. There's our low Bom Jason night. They had they've had a bunch. You know was Tony Lopez like they've had a bunch throughout their their their first four vents. But there's not a lot of recognizable boxing. And I don't know what that says about us or our fan base are media like I don't think like as an MA media member. Like, I don't think this is my story like Artem being there is our story. But like to just cover be KFC to that's not an MA story. My opinion do agree. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think more about it. And I think maybe perhaps be Kathy have gone off for Emma fighters. Because there's maybe more of them that they can get the leverage of X UFC find the and the spin that with some some pub, and and some PR love as an interesting. Interesting question to actually ask you go out of your way to watch Paul versus Artem I will will you go to your way to watch Artem versus Jason Knight. No. And there you go now. Right. It's mistake mostly because I'll be we'll place on right watching but just in general yet. But just in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's transition to that Saturday is wait, no Fridays. Inex- t-. Yes. Sorry fridays. Annex t Saturday is the RO h new pan show at MSG right than Sunday is wrestlemainia MetLife stadium. This is an incredible thing. Yeah. And it actually reminds me of something that was brought up early this week you see fishy. Nounce international flight week is just going to be one event. And I said it felt like over the past few years. It was overkill. I felt like I mean forget about the three events. Three vents were just killer. And especially when they would do like UC one eighty nine. Remember the Sunday after one eighty nine was Stephen Thompson against Kellenberger. And at that point. You just have a headache. You feel like you've stated the party way too long. It's one thing to go Thursday Friday Saturday, it's another to go Friday Saturday Sunday. Like, you can't you can't follow up a an event the magnitude of UC one nine with Stephen like a tough finale. That's just crazy. And I said it was over killed. Some people were mad like what do you mean? It's overkill and what I meant by. That was the you have a brand doing the same show essentially three days in a row feels like a lot. But I'm totally down. If in fact, the did a show on Thursday. If I don't cage warriors did a special show on Friday, Bela Tor, like that to me is brilliant. And I feel like what is happening in wrestling. Now in the world pro wrestling where WWE has their event Sunday night. They usually do an annex t but then like tomorrow Josh Burnett has his event in New Jersey. And there's a ton of other ones TNA hasn't event. Like, you said ring Avante hasn't MSG they should be stealing that model for the July six or July international fight week event. Don't you agree on hundred percent? I agree. And we talked about autumn and poli if I'm became c I'm scrapping. What date they have in mind for June. And I'm taking to international fight week. 'cause you could probably sell a lot more tickets in Vegas at a pretty sizable venue with those two headlining a call. Then whatever the wherever they're thinking about going in June. That's the one that's the move on makeup on. Idea. Yes. Because then you've got like, you know, a hangover of history of light like the contest staff with Mayweather Mayweather reported Vegas. So that's what I do. Yes. That is a great idea prior to you have see to twenty nine quintet didn't event night before. Yeah. And that was really smart, right? Because you like the team alpha male squad you had Sakurada. I don't understand why more promotions don't do this. I don't know if it's UFC thing where their territorial. But now, especially that they're doing just one event like so international fight week, July sixth and it's April third. It's still that's what three months away if I'm an ele- Fe, go to Vegas on July fifth and July fourth right? Absolutely. I don't get. Why more don't do this? And if I'm a fan, I'm all like, that's I I was trying to say like don't have more events for the fans in Vegas that we just the same. You have see event essentially three times feels like overkill. I don't know if there's cost logistics issues withholding event specifically in Vegas versus. For example, other states in America to privy to that information. Do you like the three you have vents in our own to dismiss forget it was in the UK at the time. Trying to stay up until six hundred in the morning three nights in a row that was brutal function. I don't I don't think I did function for few days to recover from that one. But. If you're a B calf's urine Invicta all any other promotion right now just take an event there. You know is guaranteed to do very well in terms of ticket sales. You got all these funds in in town in Vegas looking for something else to do. Right. And with all the media that will be in town covering international fight week. It's not gonna be so hard to seduce the Metron get them to apply for credentials and cover your event. So you're gonna get good pop out of his well, let us bring in our good friend. Phil Murphy who's joining us from our Bristol studios are lavish Bristol studios. Phil. How are you? I'm doing great. You guys. Can you guys can keep rolling? I would listen to to read the phone book. Man. I know what right seriously to kind failure to client. He only rivals you at this company. Oh, gosh. Stop it. Stop it. So where do you fall in that discussion? Do you like the three you have events or two you see events in row or do you like the model of perhaps having one big UFC events and these other? Promotions piggybacking as a fan. I would love to be able to turn on fight pass ESPN. Plus, whatever it might be on successive nights and get three cards in a row. But as a member of the media man international fight week for UFC two hundred was mayhem. And it was it was only compounded by all the news outside of fights themselves that were happening with the John Jones cancellation now Anderson Silva's fighting DC and all of that that fight week. I was in Vegas for that. And I was absolutely spent. And I looked like oh my gosh. It's only Friday afternoon. But to your point. I remember what what they did UC one eighty four weekend when Rowzee beats and Gano there's an Invicta card depre- night where cyborg headline Nate, Alexa, Grosso in the co main and to your point there. Yeah. I mean, especially for things that are still under the UFC umbrella Invicta in particular, you can really leverage that with having all this media in town putting on a preceding night. And then if a fan, you know, if there's an expense attached to where fan may not want to invest time or money, or whatever they they might do in back to back nights. They can pick and choose and it's another thing on the menu. So that's a total not answer to your question. I apologize for that. But I would say, yeah, if the financials lineup while you have all the media in town in a lot of people in the fight world just is toward media fight international flight week. Then it absolutely makes sense to put especially a card that was Invicta like ten or eleven that people may not otherwise pay attention to LA right down the street. Now, there's a. Significant media presence there in that kind of the high tide rising ships you would love to see that. Because he'd love to see these the we all want to see the sport grow. And then the prospects the ones that are on those cards, featuring in those cards, get a little bit more shine couldn't agree more. So we have three months someone. Yes. Make it happen while most gestion annot that historically flight is only of always done there would at the end of the year. But if I'm them on pops trying to switch model may be do the yearly awards in the summer last year. They did first time. Okay. My. But so. Antastic idea. Yes. Well done. Well, done your lips their years. One ask you guys about Josh Barnett. He announced on the show on Monday actually, signed his freaking contract on the show on Monday that he had signed with Bela Tor fill this do anything to forty one. Josh par net hasn't fought. An almost three years is this a coup. Like, Josh Barnett versus Ryan Bater. Does that get you excited? It does. I mean, it would have gotten me more excited in two thousand eleven right. I would watch and I almost prefer. I'd rather have a guy of of Barnet's age pedigree come back after a couple years off. I mean, he looked he looked in fine shape. It's not like he some guy who's let himself go and he wasn't. He wasn't one of these guys. It was tailing off going off the cliff at the end of his career. So all right. Take a couple years off to three years off. And then come back. It seems like, you know, no more tread off the tires and see what he can do. And I'm not saying, you know, he's going to be world-beater. But if he's still got it someone with his pedigree. I'll watch an in. I don't wanna just. Completely look at age. It is certainly a factor. I said here aged thirty two feeling like an old, man. And Josh like you said is age forty one. But we've seen Randy Katori when a when a title in his early forties. So I don't want to take too much of a cookie cutter approach by that same note, we've seen people who chin starts to go in their early to mid thirties. And if Josh still has it and if he still wants to compete, and he's clearly staying in pretty good shape. I say give it a go. And then if he goes one touch on the job, he goes out like, all, right? Well, we tried and hopefully built or wouldn't turn it into him being around for another decade or anything. Crazy. It's a perfect fit. Josh bonnet working with Scott coke imbedded toll way, he can be self. He can have creative control in terms of what he's wearing his how how he can promote himself how he can promote his fight. You've got all that onto the TWA umbrella. They allow you to have an express yourself get you know, that creative control and creative freedom, and he's got creative juices. Days that guy I think it'd be nice outside of what he does in terms of competing full by the inside the cage what he can bring to the table outside perhaps as an ambassador role. How could perhaps take on maybe a different type of role in Benneteau so much experience in the sport self? But it's not a surprise. I mean at this right, you'd expect somebody of his age and the name valley that he's got to sign with the promotion like to especially if he still wants to fight, and this, you know, a plethora of fight is out there that he would be very competitive against. So I'm not surprised of tool and thought the delivery of the announcing on the shows just brilliant 'cause a all of God's a self, right? Yes. It's one of the few times that a contract signing happens on television. And unlike in the world pro wrestling, there's there's no fight afterwards known gets thrown through table or something because usually anytime the contract signing in the world pro wrestling someone's getting thrown through the table. Wanna make a connection Phil from Josh Barnett signing with BELTRAN what to do with him. Now that he's in Baltimore to what happened this past Sunday with DJ Eddie Alvarez last week on the show talking with Mike von about how I thought it was a big mistake to not put DJ Eddie Alvarez immediate title fights at one putting them in tournament having them go through the ringer. A lot of things can happen. People can slip. I remember back in the day Roger signed by Bella tour and he slipped in their tournament. And we've seen countless times where people signed these these deals they leave. The UFC Benson Henderson loses. Lawrence Larkin loses. Dan Henderson loses for some reason or another when these guys leave the you have see the end up stumbling. It's like this voodoo that is put on them. I don't know what's going on. But in stumbling, and so I would never compare Eddie Alvarez and DJ twenty nineteen to Josh I think that they are closer to their primes than Josh Barnett. But I feel like you need to look at that. And you need to maximize your your your. Return from signing this guy, and you've got to try to get him in a title fight sooner than later because if you put him in there against a say havi Yala if you will and what what does that really gonna do for you? But a beta version is a pretty big time fight. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? Like, I feel like these promotions want to try to ease these guys in and say like you have to earn your shot at the belt. But at the end the day, they're already established just give them title-fights. It's not the you have C you need their rub on your titles. Yeah. I mean, it's seems like we're on the same page. I will say though from UFC perspective. It's a win win. When one of these former champions goes to another promotion because if if the guy goes in and just Rex house, the UFC conflicts and say, yeah, we have the strongest promotion in the world the guy who has taken a step down is still better than anyone else out there. But if he goes in and loses than than they can justify letting him walk. So from UFC standpoint, it's a win win regardless of what happens back to the question at hand. I mean, yeah. Would've loved to see I think there would have been more interest for one. If Eddie Alvarez were coming in and trying to claim the title and not have to go through the ringer and fight someone whose whose name I can't spell on the first in the first try, so I mean, it didn't work out with Eddie. It did work out with DJ, at least at least to this point. You know, he's fighting back up at well. What they call flyway. We would call bantamweight one thirty five and then if he works way back up. Yeah. Then the calculated risk pays off. But it's cost benefit. I would agree that having them have to win multiple fights before title shot just for the sake of saying, well, this he's got to go through it. Like everyone else. These guys having been former world champions in the UFC, I think should be held to a different standard and should be able to walk right in and challenge for Bill. Do you think they screwed up send do you think? They should put them more. Is that easy for us to say in hindsight? And the right thing to do is to actually build them up to get to their built about building up. I think there's only one of two things that would have made sense to me. And that's you either put him straight into the tile fixture. Who's him? Eddie others. Oh, talking about Josh bonnet lead Alvarez while I'm trying to I'm trying to say to bell tour to learn from one one f c they messed up with the away with it in terms of DJ of he wants line. But even though he I mean, he didn't look phenomenal. They should have put them both into tile fights number one number two out of had them separate shows. Right. Why kind of belies these debuts all on the same show? Why not split them apart? You know a month when a one month apart some things so that you're still going to get the mainstream North American media giving you'll show the love and attention and covering it. Because of that one, you know, X UFC champion so use DJ for one caught us at Alvarez for one caught and so on and so forth. Now, connecting that Josh bonnet and Benneteau they'll I deli one of two things that would make sense for me personally. And that's like you said you put him straight into picture, right? Because having you know, Josh, bonnet, you'll as your use yoyo Benneteau champion and parading around makes sense. All you do an astrologer legends fight. Now, obviously made a crow Nolan with us in times of his his career ova, but that would have been fun. You know, can they perhaps something with bonnet and Fadel those kind of flights? You know, two big names of the sport. Especially in the heavyweight division put them together that main event a fight night cod. But havean a note that of them do anything for me just this makes up the numbers. This is making a call. And and what if you news is what if it goes into the flight loses, and you have lost that whole the rocket fuel that you've got over him just signing and the and the excitement that comes with that, you know, so the you see. Hasn't said this publicly, but I feel like right now they've you one as more of a threat than belts where I feel like one has more momentum than belt or right now. I'm I crazy, Phil. I don't I don't I don't know if I agree. I mean, I I can't speak from the UFC standpoint. But it seems like a ability or card with multiple title fights on it would have had more buzz than this one f card, and I think personally, they should've put DJ Eddie. If you're going to have them on the same card have them on a on a separate show and further up the car. I mean, they were like almost the main card openers in this in this one event, and it just didn't feel like the the steam in the buzz justified the fact that it had three or four title-fights on it. Plus, Eddie Alvarez, plus Dimitrius Johnson. It was just it felt a little too concentrated. And I think if they even spread it out on back. Toback successive, weekends and marketed. It like that it would have been a lot better. I don't know if the bell tower or one as a threat, I would I would probably to bell tower, though, because I think the casual fan is going to recognize more names on the roster than they would for one especially among. The champions. I guess I just say like like from the Asia perspective and the doors could be opened there. And just because they seem a lot more aggressive these days. They're overpaying, quite frankly. That's good for the fighters. I'm happy for them that they're getting all this money. It just seems like they have a little more momentum right now. I mean, we're comparing the biggest show that they had. But then you compare the bell tour event on on Friday, which had a great story Daniel Strauss coming back from almost being paralyzed in a great fight between Brandon Gertz inside what? And it just felt like no one was talking about it. No, one was like like, even on Twitter knows talking about it just seemed like I don't know. And then you look at like when I woke up I would mitt I missed the beginning of the one Chevy car because I was coming back from Philly boy. And I woke up seemed like everyone was talking about Eddie Alvarez. And I know I'm in a little bubble here. But it just seems like one has a lot of momentum and Bella doesn't so glad that you brought up the whole aspect of Asia. Now, if we look at how the sport is growing globally in terms of regions. I think. In globally, number one. You have see has has been number one for long times probably will be forever. But if you start to kind of segmented little bit in terms of North America, you have see number one. That's where the bulk of the shows take place. It's interesting to see what Benneteau is doing with a European flight night series. They they kind of almost as a part of this strategy. They've focusing a large amount of their name value fighters in localized events and trying to grow in that market because the UFC holds about five or six vents in Europe at the moment. And I think this ship and longtime Benneteau look into a lot more than despite his events than you have look at what one has been doing and just kind of focused on Asian. They've this deal in in America through Bleacher report. And so slowly that product has done to come over to the US market, which in fact, would what pretty well intended trying to get eyeballs because if you look at the time zone difference in trying to hold him event in Asia, you could you know, if you're an anime fine you could in theory. You watch, you know, a one championship cod while having breakfast or your lunch, and it's not going to collide with anything in the evening primetime with the UFC. But that's where I think the UCS dont baps think of one as a threat right 'cause they have big plans between a day. They've been open about that. They're opening up a formats institute in China and one has been operating in China and other markets in Asia for since day one that's going to be interesting to see how the battle of the promotions plays out 'em in these different continents. So Eddie hours losing in a weird way. That was good for Ben aspirin because it proved that you know, these guys that we may not know here in the United States, Timofey nasty. You not a household name. But maybe you think back, and you say, look, maybe been Askin was fighting tough competition. Of course, one has really nothing to do the other. But of course, Ben was going to comment on that which he did on Twitter. One ask you about Ben aspirin as I make this transition from one to the former one championship champion, Ben aspirin. So as. Stan right now. This is the situation you see wanted that fight for June eighth aspirin. Mas vidal. Mas. Without didn't want that date countered with July six or going back and forth. But it seems like we're now trending in the right direction for July six, and I'm gonna ask you sand dune a second about the Leon Edwards part of this whole question. I know you've spoken to him. But Phil just MAs Vidal aspirin. Did they get right on this one league you like this one? Or would you prefer something else for both men? I absolutely like it just because Mazda. All's name is kinda hot. I know. I know of the leeann Edwards thing is is right there. Given what happened backstage three piece in a soda? No one would have would have been upset had they made that. But I think the UFC made made a good longterm play in that that fights in their back pocket. They can run that November. Whenever and the marketing materials are there and similarly with with Ben aspirin, we talked on this show a few weeks back given how he beat Robbie Lawler. It would have been nice to you. You kind of with him wanna strike while the iron hot as well. And I wouldn't have been opposed given his history with Kamara use Monto. Just go ahead and say, all right unbeaten fighter guy toward up overseas. Came in finished, a former champion in the first round showed a lot of toughness the duality of that because he got dropped in darn near finished himself. But show toughness got the finish albeit controversial to some. I'd I didn't think it was a terrible stoppage. We talked about that already as well. I would say sure you could have given him a title shot. But if not yeah, give someone whose whose name is rising up. And he said, hey, I'm here to fight anybody in credit to Ben aspirin for for living up to that. He's not married to having a title shot. He's not gonna sit out and wait as far as the date, you'll see two thirty nine. There's there's a card the week before in Minneapolis with. Has Woodley Lawler been announced for that area? And it hasn't been officially announced. But I told that would Li is also leaning towards agreeing. There was a bit of a hang up there. So it hasn't been officially announced by the promotion, so that ESPN car it wouldn't have been terrible to have ask grandma's Vidal there either if international fight week you've see two thirty nine as we mentioned the only fight the only car during international fight week in a long line of people who wanna get on it. I wouldn't have had to have that Minneapolis Norwood. The the guys who wear suits and make such decisions at our company either have Mazda all aspirin on that. But I'm gonna watch it for me. It's appointment viewing. I was very intrigued by aspirins debut, and then having seen how he debuted. I wanna see more. I want to see really how where does this guy rank among the best welterweight in the world and having just seen someone finished Darren till very impressively. Well, here's he's the next one in line and continue to climb the ranks should ask her beat him especially in. Of inside of three rounds. Then then he's got even more of a case to to cut in line jump over other not not to discredit him but jump over couple other people who would have a case and a longer UFC resume today than fight on at some point. I feel bad for the Annette words, I do and sometimes you playing with fly when it comes stuff out because with Anna may God's give you something on a plate. And in this case the backstage scuffle brawl, whatever you wanna call it between Leonid woods, and who Emma's Adele, and is all anyone's talking about these the video has gone viral. This genuine heat that right? And you don't book them, and it just makes logical sense to book them in a fight next. We've talked about the show. Anything can go wrong. You know, some of them get injured what if someone's gonna retire all what if Mazda loses an Leon was lose his next fight. And then you know, you can still make that happen. I get what feels saying. And just in terms of keeping that gonna fight in your back pocket for a date. Down the road. But so many things can happen and go wrong, and you know, things that can lose steam, very very easily outside of mind. Right. A get what it been was Hoy Dell. I get y you know, Ben aspirin wants stop flight. It's a big caught. I get why he wants to be on two thirty nine like Phil said, you beat Mazda l- you could make a case to cut in line and go straight into a title shot against potentially Comorros men who you've also go some history with there as well. So he's been playing perfectly actually when that London cod all went down. I thought during that particular weekend. Then when the event was off Ben aspirin was the biggest loser out of the whole situation. Agree, I still God. He's been kind of probing and probing Darren until till just lost. Right. And then this whole thing to leeann Edwards and Mazda happened. So I thought wow will logically. They're gonna now flight. So what does Baskin left with is all worked out for his in his in his favor. And I guess if you'll him as dial you beat been asking you the first man to beat Ben aspirin, given a what? You just did in London. You're the talk of the town. You can also make a case to go right in tile show. And I get it the the sand the algal so to speak when it comes to him as Dow's career is ticking is I spoke to him at the London press conference back in January, and he is adamant about getting that you have to championship belt wrapped around his waist before. He calls time on his career. That is his number one goal is number one motivation. So I understand from his perspective ado, fuel bad for neon because right now what flight would make sense. He's fantastic win streak. He's put together, and he's not he's not getting the love, you know, you'd expect to put him onto another high profile flight in a in a in a big cod with of media to help, you know, escalate his profile so to speak at the same time off to be a little bit critical of the Ona's. Well, don't think you know. He does a fantastic job of going out there and promoting himself on social media. There's a lot of wealth to be done there. Because at the end of the day, you look at the numbers have been Oscars. Pulling in my goodness, look YouTube views, you look at everything suit with Ben aspirin, and it's just through the roof and the who hazard out just a cult of personality right now that three piece in a soda went viral. And there's a lot of take that into consideration when you book flights and you start looking at the entertainment era of the bull right now. When you look at the rest of the division, the only they're really make sensory now for Leon is Santiago, puns Annabi. Oh, I don't know if that's the Marquis fight that he's been looking for don't know if that gets them off the couch, but that really is the only interesting option right now for him one fight that is a fish for that card is Holly home versus amend the Nunez. And when the news was announced last week fill a lot of fans roll their eyes at Holly home getting another crack at a belt, she's Owen three in her last three title fights. Had you feel about her getting another shot at the one thirty five pound title. I have no problem with it. And you look at the bantamweight division. It's it was the second least active UFC women's division last. Ear only ahead of women's featherweight. So it's not like there are many people with a significant case and Holly homes. Yes, she she lost Holly home lost her last three title fights. But she she did beat Megan Anderson who's on the uptick in terms of popularity and pedigree at at one forty five so Holly, I don't know who would deserve. It ahead of her at one at one thirty five. I mean, it's compelling enough. It's a fight that could have made sense in previous eras. So as we were trying to figure out Holly home where she might go at a certain point in her career. Amanda, new NASA's name would come up. But I don't know who else would we give to get when VERA like for me, Holly, home whole newness. If you look at the who could realistically get a title shot at women's bantamweight that one those two names carry the most value, it's the most marketable fight. And I have no problem with it's crazy that Holly home number one contender one forty five and one thirty five despite the fact is she's oh and three in her last three fights, she still a draw people still remember the Rhonda fight people like her. I know my wife always asked me about her and wants to go out of her way to watch her for some reason people I call home. Now, I will say this feels like it's do or die. Like if you lose this one. It's going to be hard to get another crack but kudos to her and her management team. She had the Aspen latte flight in March should one fight left under deal. They pulled her from that because she wouldn't sign a new deal. And then they're in talks for her to fight in Brazil against menounos. They're like hell, no, we're not going to Brazil to fight amendments. And somehow she gets a new six ideal and she's fighting international fight week under John Jones. So that seems like a good a good time in a good deal in a good stroke of luck for Holly, home, and her management in particular agent. Lenny Fresca's, fill great stuff by man. Thank you for stopping by. We appreciate the insight. We'll talk to soon hang out area. You're talking to you guys pleasure theory is the great Phil Murphy one last thing I wanted to talk to you about Santa before we go, just engage. He wins on Saturday. And he looked great. And you know, just engage. He is just to get. She is the true definition in the sport of a prizefighter. It doesn't matter if he's fighting for a belt. It doesn't matter. If he's fighting the main event, everyone at this. He's must see TV. Right. Everyone's watching just engage. She that was fun. Like, he's never been in a boring fight to the best my knowledge, I'd like to see him fight, Anthony Pettus necks. Agreed disagree. Yeah. I'm I'm for that. I mean, I think the dusting gates you could. Put him against the you know. Top ten lightweight. And you know, people wanna see him fight. You know, Anthony pass will be a lot of fun, by the way. What did you make of poll feld as weight? I was building to you are. Yes. Okay. Man. Good, man. So how how's gonna build it will done? We didn't even talk about this. No. So how billing to it was my I'd like to see him fight Pettus. I'd like to see him fight Habib at some point. I actually agree with him. When he says, you know, I'm threat to be less. We forget Puhl Felder cues me. Just engage. She is a former division one all American from not the greatest university of all time as far as amateur. Wrestling is concerned, but northern Colorado is still division one school. And he was an all American. He never uses his wrestling. But I actually start to think after he said that in the post fight show during the post by show that. Yeah. That would be an interesting fight. Now. I don't think he's close again clubby because of course, there's a whole logjam up there. But then we had the incident or the I don't want to call it an incident, but the back and forth the moment if you will with Paul Felder and this. This bothers me because this is something I've actually talked about in the past. It was a situation that we've seen with one where you have look in other sports for those that missed it Puhl filters on the desk time will the encumbrance and Puhl filter actually said after his last fight that he would be interested in fighting just to gauge you. So puff elder said, look, I'm a man I'm gonna I'm gonna say to your face. I'm here doing the interview, but I'm also fighter and I'm gonna just say respectfully, everything he said was respectful, but I'm gonna say respectfully that I'd like to fight you and gate. She was dismissive. And he was kinda getting egged on for that. And this isn't something that we see in other sports because in other sports basketball football, active players aren't being used as media members. Right. They're not on the desk. They're not in the booth. Maybe you're injured and you make an appearance, but it's not like the Wade's done in fight sports. Because in fight sports. Of course, you're only two three times a year. So you can take some time and do these things, but this is something that happened time. And again at f is one which is really where this this whole new. The era of having these fighters do these pre imposed by chose started. And don't wanna see it continue. And I'll tell you. Why don't wanna see continue? That's just engages moment I understand repel filters coming from. I understand that he says he wants to be honorable and say, look, I called you. I don't want wanna stay in front of your face. But honestly in that moment, you're there is an analyst. And you're there is a lightweight and your there's a guy who may have knowledge of gay cheer his opponents. I don't think it's your time to use the platform that you can put in to further that agenda getting a fight, even if you do it in the most honorable way possible in the most respectful way possible. I don't wanna see this continue to happen that man. Just engage. He was just in a fight his bell may have been wrong. He's tired. He's he's you know, he's banged up. Whatever the case may be he shouldn't have to defend himself next to someone who's sitting right next to him or via satellite. It happened with Anthony Smith and John Jones it happened with two Tony Ferguson. And Kevin Lee. It's happened a lot of times, and I feel like you know, they may be getting egged on in the back to do this. I don't wanna see. I think it's I think it's it's it's very unfair to the fighter in that spot to have to defend himself. You're there you've been thinking about it you've been prepping for it. I don't think that that is the proper way and the proper platform to further that agenda. What do you think when I watch these interruptions, just find oakwood is one thing? I think if the fight that would just involved in the main event in this case, just engage is the one actually suggesting the fly the one bringing it to the table the one trying to pick a fight with a pool Felder because that's his parole active. That's his moment if any chooses to try and set of a pool Felder he's with the platform to do that that's on him. But to actually be the one to bring it in front of him and awesome. That kind of question oddest, find found it very old quit. Unlike fell did it in the most respectful clause e way possible. Absolutely. But I agree if you'll high to be an analyst of the cost that's your job. You'll foot for those X number of hours. You can't be wearing both the fighter had a fight a hat and also the analyst hot it just it doesn't what for me personally. I get what everyone's trying to do like, you know, get the rub so to speak. You know, if I mean imports eldest case if you are able to secure fight or bit of a back and forth. Just engage. He oughta he's coming off an an incredible victory in a main event on ESPN. Great. You just, you know, put yourself in a fantastic ration- that, but I think this away do it assist. It is a wet for me personally. Sure. And honestly, I feel like they need to be protected. You know, the producer should say look in this particular case, your here's an analyst. And I feel like they're very savvy like that you thought they put they put Anthony Smith was no background doing this on John Jones fight they put Paul filter there because he may have called out just engage because he's a lightweight. So they're sort of they're willing these things into existence. I would like for. For them to take a step back and recognize that from the fighters perspective, the guy who just fought it's putting him in a very tough spot. Like would you want the guy to do? And also his moment. Let him have his moment let him revel in the victory not have to defend himself someone else who's trying to pick a fight, by the way. What if the worst happens what if they actually find on a live on? I mean like, you don't know these alpha males of the split off females. And like, you know, if something is said and someone takes, you know, something to haw on this dining right next to each other. I don't even separate it by Karam, Brian and Megan leave you'll like that. Right. They literally right next to each other. And then it can be a very explosive situation and filters a class act. So I felt like he was sort of wrestling with Eddie like how far do I take this? And then like in that point gates. He's just a fighter so gate. She can literally say, whatever he wants a gate, you could say like all mock, you out Felder in that case wearing the suit everything he can't go that far. So even he is doing a disservice to himself. I think by even trying to. Bring this up. Like, look, we all know said, no one would have said at least, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm naive. No one would have said after that interview. It was never brought up off filter. You just you just you just west out. You know, you didn't you didn't bring it up come on your hypocrite your face. Would you have thought that? No, I don't view him as Paul filter the fighter in that moment of you time, really as a guy who's trying to. I I don't want them to be like that. And that's why actually I love when they have the retired fighters up there. I think that's better because you don't have this problem come up, but I'd like to see them stop because I just think it's not fair that like you were just involved in training camp. If anyone knows how those men feel and women feel it's the guy bringing it up. Right. You're the only ones in this world that know what this feels like the relief of going through a training camp getting through fight week making wait winning your fight. And now, you're just on cloud nine enjoy it. You don't have you don't have to answer to that. And I I would like in the back for them to stop pushing this because this is like look. Coming from me. I know it sounds a little funny. This is as pro wrestling as against you guys are literally trying to make fights by booking people on these. That's not the way to be actually like a lot of the the transitions white of made in the commentary booth. I think dominant cruise is fantastic Daniel Komi, fantastic pool. Felder fantastic. Right. Even like abyss being great job. I think perhaps sometimes when they're actually in the kind of the analysts desk like preflight post-flight shows. I is is good. But when does on the fly that Pap is in the same way clause will from say a competing camp or team? It just I just find it Oakland Cormie does a great job. Like he gets called out all the time. There was a stretch where he was getting called up by lake Latifi. And I think orientation, and he I think has done a great job would be like this isn't about me right now. You know what? I mean like doesn't even go there. Now, I know this is the like in our story Korea's gay CI. Right. But I think it's it's. It's it's it's incumbent upon the one who is being called out to just be like this isn't the time for that. And it would be great. If the ones who are doing the call out just stop now, if it's a fight like if you're Curtis blades in you're being interviewed by Cormet. That's a little funny in that regard. So like, listen, you could shoot your shot there. But that's different. Critics blades isn't an analyst doing that would be like Cormie doing the interview and calling out Curtis played. So the complete know the flipflop of what we just experienced again. Like, I said that send the fight accusing to make the measure not the analyst. Who wins? Becky Lynch, Ronda Rousey, Charlotte, flare the man, Becky Lee, man. Yes. I just do a whole other podcasts online. Oh, she's going to be made. Are you surprised last night? Are you surprised that Rhonda in the main event, the wrestlemainia isn't a bigger deal in our world? Or do you think that the may community is just moved on from her? I think we moved on think there was initial interest in tons of how she would look how she would perform our member going into lost his wrestlemainia that was her in ring debut. She done some kind of like doc matches in how shows and what have you where there was a few videos in this day and age with smartphones that that were released but in times of the actual proper in ring debut performing the biggest age of the mole at wrestlemainia run Rousey hit. Yeah. The park, and it was fantastic debut and the tree right there. And then a said riot. There's absolutely no way in hell WB is not going to use her in the main event arrest mania the following year. And here we are twelve months later. It says history in the making. The very first female main event closing the show wrestlemainia, obviously, it's the right move in using Ronda Rousey now, I pulled her in ring performances. I think for for for the first few matches just to kind of out of personal intrigued find out how you perform against different type of restless, I'd say the laws of six months off kind of not really watched too much apart from like social media clips, but it looks like from you know, some of the stuff that I've seen online and tons of Ruma this is going to be kind of her exit. She's gonna take some time awful, maybe wo- quay completely. And if that is the case then job done to be used for a full year. She had a pretty fulltime schedule versus I someone Brooke listener so more power to her. She was completely gained for everything. She performed really well. Now, we could do a hold of the show in terms of how we would have from the gecko her character baby face he'll stuff, but that's not a hero day at the moment. But the idea is she's not going to be around for the. Next ten years wrestling Becky Lynch's, Charlotte flare is and then just to use Ronda Rousey in the short window that you've got her to elevate. The two of them at avait the whole women's division. Put a bigger spotlight. Get more media. Attention think a win great stuff. My man. Thank you for coming in. Absolutely. It's always fun to have someone in studio. I don't know if Daniel's still around where he left us. But if you're there, you him, I music Daniel, he's gone. Once you started talking about wrestling. He was done other. It is Ono. Yes, there it is those might add music. I do love that song. And I welcome any advertisers who wants to. Wants to support the show because that's the only time I ever played that music, but it has been a fun day. In fact, I think this was one of our longer episodes. And I I cut a lot of things out because the Conor McGregor stuff. Just sort of came out of nowhere here yet had to be done. And it's unfortunate. I really want to get back to Connor fighting talk. Right. Karen fight one week. Now, they'll be something else. We talk about and I hope not in a negative. You're saying something, and I hope I hope we can talk about fights. I hope that he can get out of this whole retirement thing, and and figure it out with you've seen that it'll because you look back to those those three years or so when it was magic you'll see one eighty nine when ninety four I mean that was the best that was so much fun fun or time. Exactly. And but it does not keep himself in these cycle. Yes. San do. Thank you so much enjoy this weekend all the festivities. Are you going the whole fame? No. Because it's colliding. Oh, that's right. Yeah. MSG show. Okay. Wow. You're going to be busy. Thank you very much breath. Okamoto appreciate him stopping by his insights as always take very much to the great Phil Murphy, thanks to all of you who continued to download subscribe rate review, all those things more. I heard the lebatardshow. And he said if you want us to continue doing this show for free. You have to download subscribe rate reviews also same view downloads scribe review, the podcast, it's on the same feed as my Monday show. I think a lot of foam what we've been doing one day. The interviews reporters on Wednesday around the bad guy on Wednesday that comes out every Wednesday night. It's a full slate of content for you among all the other stuff that we're doing here at PM dot com. It's been fun. All right. We're at a time for sandy Brett Phil Daniel in Bristol. I'm ariel. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you next week.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 12

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 12

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It's a wanna on this Wednesday, April third two thousand and nineteen great to be here with all of you for another episode of the reporters, I'm in New York City. There's always a lot to talk about in the world of mixed martial arts. And this is a lot of fun because I have company again joining me in studio. My good pal the one and only the incomparable the inevitable Chaumont car Sandhu of ESPN dot com. Sandy my man. How are you very well Ariel? I know that said no about a month ago, and you invited me on the schedule conflict you did. But I'm glad that my debut on the show is something that we can do in person. Yes. Yes. You did say no to me I asked you to be on a couple of weeks ago, and that was like a knife in the heart. I must say I was like what you have better things to do than my m airport show that is so near dear to my heart. And you're right. This is your debut on their mortars. You're on the post show. Oh back in the day. Cross. I yes day like three months ago when you were in town. But now here you are for the reporters. This is great stuff. So it's good to have you here. You are here for wrestlemainia. Right. This has been a vacation for you. If you will. Yes. So I'd be interested mania for many many years with a little friends of mine, and the this was a little bit of a last minute trip because the the numbers in my social circle that light pro wrestling in terms of wanting to make the yearly trip to wrestlemainia on is now doing the link. So the maybe in the previous years as being maybe six seven eight of us dishes couple of. Wow. And I'm only agreed to come because I can kill a few birds with the same stone family of New York that I love that. I love to spend time with it gives me a chance to see some friends of mine ESPN make a trip to Bristol which a Monday, and yes so gun called to wrestlemainia again down the road. This made. He my lost one. While that one song. Yes. So the thing is this is a bit of a funny one. Because in previous is I followed or the storylines of watched role and smackdown emotion invested to get that funnel f- with all the matches. And you know, every happens at wrestlemainia, whereas this shit. I haven't watched anything I've kind of kept up to date with bits and pieces on social media. But I'm as casual as can be now, obviously, still got my finger on the pulse. I kind of know what's going on. But it'll be interesting to see how I kind of enjoy the rest of many experience and how the payoffs affect me as a fan and participant amongst the crowd. I'm going to ask you a little more about all that later in the show when it's just unite feel towards the end of the program, we're going to be joined by a good friend. Phil Murphy, and he's gonna join us and in matter of seconds. We're going to be joined by our colleague over at ESPN dot com Brett Okamoto, so. Stance stand by for that. I I didn't want to start with this topic again this week because it feels like we've started with Conor McGregor the last couple of weeks. But as we are taping this at around two fifteen pm eastern time on Wednesday afternoon. April third, it seems like the most talked about thing in MMA is the back and forth between Conor McGregor. Hubby muggy made off on social media in particular Twitter yesterday Conor McGregor sent out a tweet mocking. I guess you can say Feb Rog made offs wife. And then shortly thereafter, he deleted that tweedy. Also sent out a tweet about a family member of his in an truly there after he'd Lou that tweet and then today Habib after those tweets, obviously, blew up because nothing stays deleted on social media. Now, be has responded and has said some things about Connor, and it just really feels like this has gotten really really ugly, and this has turning it reminds us of what happened back in October and in the build up to their fight at UC to twenty nine and it's it's bringing back those emotions so I wanna get your take on that Sandu. I also wanna say Hello to our colleague Brad Okamoto who's in Las Vegas right now. In welcome him into the program bread. How are you? Doing good. How are you guys doing great heavy back on the show? So so like, I said, you know, I I didn't wanna start with this. But I feel like we have to start with it. Because it's the biggest story happening. Right. This moment. Do you share that sentiment on me? Like this. This is family religion. This is even worse in my opinion than some of the stuff that was said and done leading up to that fight a UFC two twenty nine and it's just it's it's not why we love the sport. Right. Like, I think we all love trash talking. I think we love feuds and the culmination of feuds and and heat if you will. But this feels like it's getting really uncomfortable and could turn very very ugly and going to a really dark place very soon. Do you agree? Yeah. Totally agree. I mean, I really don't have much more to add I agree with you. The trash talk can be fine and Conor McGregor is brand of trash talk has been fine up until about you know, a year ago. I mean, I thought he was always great at identifying things that could bother his opponent like logical warfare. If you will always always very strong. But I mean, this this is just. It's I mean, there's nothing good about it. There's no good that comes out of this is just being sensitive like saying, oh, you know, I'm offended by this by that. No, this is completely unnecessary. It it goes against sort of. I think what we like about both guys, and we'll be like about this sport. So I'm in agreement with you. I think it's lazy banter, quite frankly between them, I you know, I mean Connor going on Twitter rampage last night, where he's posting photos of, you know, select photos of sparring match with a retired boxer there. Now more than a year old like like, I'm just kind of over man. I I think that the fan base in general is also feeling that way as well. What is this? Like what what are you trying to prove here? What point are you making really even with Connor just it's it's in bad, taste and. Yeah, not a fan of it. I agree with Bret on this one as well. I like cerebral witty back and forth. Our member max Holloway had a trip to island a few months ago, and he went to the Jameson distillery and he went to Croke park. And you know, that was a lot of fun in times of taking some slight jobs corna McGregor the stuff that you know, Kona did yesterday and could be did today. It just doesn't do anything for me. I mean, not even booked for a fight Khanna's, quote, unquote, retired Khabib still, you know, serving a suspension. So what does this fall? Where are we going with this? What is building tools, regardless of how we feel about it personally. Right. They are two of the biggest stars in the sport in the world right now. They are ambassadors of 'em and the UFC, and you know, everyone, you know, that I see on. Mean to be honest with you despite how we may feel about this. There are people online that are eating the stuff up. Really? They are they it's it's it's kind of sad to see. But I think sometimes we don't know how folks outside of the hardcore may community chewing this kind of stuff up and digesting it this is kind of like got Wellstone hip, hop written all over it. He wo Dom accomplished. He went there. And now the rematch. How you gotta do the rematch now and like kind of slept on it from when Kona said his stuff last night. And I woke up this morning trying to think a bit more about what you know, where is it leading to and annot that you know, Kona is clearly negotiating with the UFC in terms of willy willy, not return. So was this perhaps, you know, a play to get Kabieh to tell you if hey I'm gonna come back. But now, I want that rematch. He's gone personal. But maybe I'm stretching without theory. Let me ask you this. This actually makes me want to see the fight less. Like, I feel like let's say in some weird world they made this fight today because of this now I would be dreading the two months leading up to the fight because I feel like it would just get worse. This is doing the exact opposite of this theory that you're throwing out. I don't think it's crazy theory. But is having the the reverse effect on me? What do you think of that? And but San nailed it is that unfortunately, mixed martial arts and boxing. You know, you can want that in there as well. There's a weird dynamic where where what what casual fans what probably isn't what they should want. But, but they're they're they don't know any better, you know. And that's does nothing against anybody. Who's just, you know, casually follows the sport or doesn't watch every single you see it every single Delatour and every single one championship fight every single weekend nothing against that. But the problem there is that they they get excited by something like this. And it doesn't surprise me. At all the people are talking about this. I mean, in a way, you almost can't blame Connor to a certain extent for being lazy with his trash talk and for doing things like this. Because it does work people people now are like, yeah. Let's let's see that rematch. Now, you know, they forget that the first five really wasn't super competitive cubby has has plenty of other people to fight and and their attention should be on next hallway Pori if anything else that's coming up in a matter of, you know, ten days, but they're going to be talking about, you know, just just some tweet. It was some some, you know, offensive overtones to it. I. It's just it's a sport that, unfortunately, it's just a part of of the sport that we cover that. It doesn't always align. Right. The three of us can sit here, and and and probably all agree with what you just said area that that I I didn't really need to see the fi the rematch to begin with. I don't wanna see a rematch and now to this type of build up. I think we it's it's similar to what we all said about when when McGregor fought Mayweather. I didn't need to see that fight. When really falls a sport needs to see that fight. But but the casual fans demanded it, and they're probably gonna demand this rematch. I don't think that the US is going to put that rematch together. But there's no doubt that it. I if you took a poll of just any sports fan out there. I mean, one of us putting out a pool probably won't do it. It would have to be some pull of just a generic sports fan. Who would you like to see Conor McGregor fight the most what you think you think twenty four Gibson is gonna win that, you know, you think just engage. He is gonna win that it's going to be could be and that's just reality. I, unfortunately, I couldn't agree more. I do think that fans are starting to get a little bit tired of this back and forth. I personally feel like family is completely out of bounds. You're crossing the line. Like, I hated when DC brought up John Jones his wife a couple of weeks ago or months ago, I should say on Instagram before they're the John Jones Alexandria. And it just makes me really uncomfortable. And the tweet that Connor sent out yesterday was anti semitic was very offensive. I mean towards Muslim people towards his I mean, it's offensive towards his family. And then in the fall of two n even today, you know, be bringing up I can understand why is upset honestly I can understand. It's unfortunate that you have to go where he went. But this is just completely ugly. It's so ugly that it's amazing week later. We've completely forgotten about the retirement their retirement that was just the thing. Now. Right. Like, no one even takes this. Seriously. Dana white is openly talking about negotiations and trying to get him back. And it just feels like another misstep, you know, like, we're speaking today on the one year anniversary of Habib slapping, Artem which really my -pinion almost like started this downward spiral. How do we get this train back on track? Because it feels like every step of the way every misstep is just being magnified and the fans are losing interest. And they're losing hope and they're like I talked to my barber yesterday. And he's like enough of this. I'm tired of this stuff. Right. Like, doesn't it feel that way to you? It does enough people online not thrown out. The idea of the UFC intervening may be behind the scenes getting these guys on a coal of mediating, insist to kind of music, do you have C should reprimand Connor for autumn about reprimanding, but definitely kind of like like in a de-escalate situation because on the way to go from head how how many more possible jobs while you're gonna take combat sports in general? You know has a history of flies crossing the line. So to speak when it comes to culture in a race religion things. That nature. But again, what we building towards there's no there's no fight book or anything from these not that as an excuse for. They're saying what they're doing. I'd like to UFC kind of get involved in some respect again. Whether it's with or without our knowledge, whether it's public or not be nice. But I think things on so personal with these guys are evening how where you'd begin with not that bright you if she's not going to do anything. Right. I mean, they I know they have a code of conduct. But history of shown this is not the kind of thing that they really reprimand anyone for speech. Yeah. I I don't think you're gonna see any type of public action. I will say that, you know, I've I've reached out to some people in the you're seeing that, hey, you know, what you think of this is something that you you. I mean, what are your thoughts on your own thoughts on not steer the steer the conversation one way or the other not say, oh, yeah. I'm paul. What do you think? Like, I just what what do you think of this? And responses I've got in there that this isn't what they want. You know, I think that's the you're always whether whether or not they always visit or not they like conflict. And they like things that you can build around. And I mean, they use Conor McGregor throwing Dali got a bus and their and their promotional packages. But I I think you know. Everything has a limit. And and the UFC is not happy to see something like this. And then from what I've heard that they have reached out to both guys and said, hey, you know, this is this is not it. I believe that has happened. But to answer your question directly. No, I don't think any type of public punishment to this. I guess the one silver lining is that someone did get to Connor and say take this down. But again as I said earlier, the damage is done and clearly sought. So that's the problem. You want to say something? This isn't exactly the first one corner McGregor has quote on quote cross the line either. He's to apologize in public about some homophobic slurs that he's kind of said in the post Madonna. No, if he'd be willing to come out and apologize for deleted tweet. Now, you said they was definitely anti semitic tones to what you said, the whether he realized at the time, all you know, what kind of condition he was when he was actually throwing out all of these tweets he went on a tirade yesterday taking Pooley Manashi. And you know, then then. Be and his his friends and things of that nature. So they do the history there, you know. And sometimes these things go on because because he gets in the the mainstream, you know, fan spectrum or think of corner as this Rog does shoes, you know, main eventing champion of UFC and those things on really kind of highlight as of Nussbaum's that should be bread. I feel like I'm in go ahead. Why was just gonna throw out there something across my mind. And all of it doesn't really necessarily like address anything either one of you have said, but it has crossed my mind. And that is that Connors form trash dog. Now, kind of it's sort of reminds me of Foyt Mayweather from the standpoint of that that he he's lost. He's lost touch with his audience. I feel like conagra was always someone who had touch with his audience, and I don't and that was just an organic natural thing that he had. But you know, like like when Foy is constantly talking about money. Like, that's that's the only thing he ever throws out there. And it works at sells. It gets headline. You'll casual fans wanna see they wanna see his lifestyle this or that like like like like void always bring pull the back to money like the conversation has nothing to do with money or has nothing to do with money or like a trash talker. A better has to do with any starts talking about how much watch costs or something like that. You know? And it's like he doesn't understand. He's almost like he's lost touch with his audience, and I feel I caught him Gregor's. That's starting to happen to him a little bit, you know. And if you can understand it, you're going to stay when you become. Such a celebrity to anything you put out it's twenty five thousand likes on Twitter. And you're just like. Yep. Nailed it. You know, like everything I'm putting out is resonating the way which I wanted to. But it's it's kinda not, you know, it's just like it's just for liberty culture that we have and everything but in combat sports as well as anything he puts out there just like it's just eating up so quickly. Even if it's trash, you know, and and I think that that's something that's kind of a setting what he's putting out there on the quality of what he's putting out there because it used to be contemplated really put out anything that wasn't really high quality everything that he said had purpose and everything he said like meant something, you know. And now, it just it just doesn't and sad to see and to add to a branch said talk about high quality medical one, April Fools day, by the way. I mean, you know, everyone was going to you know, I think this stage associate everyone's taught of April Fools jokes. Specially if you can use media, but what clinical put out with regards to little add full shop. Sean prosaic was just brilliant. Production quality. He was rich it worked people found it funny and detaining and there with so many things in that video package, which reminds me of the old quantum Grega. The kind of wink to the camera the Chom, and that's corner is best lost night on the twenty four hours is probably Conroy's west. Yeah. In a weird way. It seems like a brings out the worst in him because you know with Nate. He almost crossed the line a couple times with some of the things that he said but Indian I felt like there's deep down a mutual respect there between the two I don't feel like there is that mutual respect tune club even Connor, and that's why it brings out the worst in in in Connor. And and quite frankly, I don't I don't agree be responding for being upset. That's your wife that someone is talking about in a very disrespectful way. And all of a sudden read I have to say it feels like we're in some kind of bizarro world like we went from the retirement last week, which was deja-vu of three years ago. And now we're talking about Paul nausea again. And we're talking about Artem Lobov in we're talking about. You know, a year after the slap and the Dalai anniversary's coming up and the tweets between even Connors gosh. Can we just move on from all of this? And I just did a show which he'll where we talked about Pauline, and Artem and I said like, I'm all this was fun. I liked it. It felt organic. I'm okay with it became c needs something to jump start them. Great. But now, I'm almost mad at that. Because it feels like it led to all of this right last night. How'd you feel about what happened yesterday between Artem and Polly do feel like it was it was fun? It was organic or do you think it was contrived, and you're rolling your eyes at it? Oh, is it? Okay. To say both. I do think it was contrived. I did rolled is what I saw it. But it's also fun. It's hard, you know. And it's it's it's the best thing that could happen for both of their careers, quite frankly, I mean Polly wants to fight it, which clearly he does he signed a deal with their knuckle. If he wants to fight, Artem. Yeah, we can do that. And we can we can all laugh at it. And look at it for what it is. And that's fine. You know, kudos to both guys for for generating interested in, you know, for creating that type of moment. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, what we're talking about Connor is is just different, you know. And obviously Connor Connor is he's held to a different standard than I think both guys. Like, I said both those guys. No, disrespect them report point in their career where? Yeah, have a little fun to do something like that. But Connor is still arguably, you know, theoretically in the prime of his career any of us sitting here would probably say that that maybe he's one of the top ten pound for pound fighters in the world, but we kinda don't know anymore just because of you know, his activity and all of this uncertainty about what his future looks like. I'm gonna I'm gonna say something here that will probably rile up all the hubby people. But I think you've had an opportunity to kill this. Hobby had an opportunity to to to take the higher road. And I, and I don't I don't mean to say that you know, we're giving Connor a pass, and he can say whatever he wants to you know, we're gonna criticize Hoppy for responding. But but he had an opportunity there to just be the big guy, and he had it back back in October as well when when he won the fight, and I understand everything that had be done, and I sympathize for it, and I I don't I'm not gonna sit here and criticize him for it. But I will say that I do wish that have be had had treated this whole situation differently. I wish he would have taken high road. I wish you wouldn't have gone suspended by the Vada. I wish he would have done what he said he was gonna do. And then he was going to bring order back to this lightweight division. When he was the champion things. We're going to be different. If I were division move, again, he was going to bring back some of some type of order to the sports gonna fight Tony Ferguson. And I know that that civic fighters out of his control that he was going to sort of get things back onto out of the corner. World, you know? And and the big opportunities where he's had a chance to do. So he has chose to drive it further into the Connor world. And that that's that's been disappointing to see has been disappointing actions from both guys appreciate the inside. I know you have to run and do an interview right now. So we will let you go. We'll talk to you next week. All right. Yep. Good time talking to you guys next week, right? There is Brel Komodo wanna get your response to that. Sandy, what do you think that is a very interesting point on his part, he can bite his tongue? He can't take the high road. I'm reminded of a quote from the great Michelle Obama when she said, you know, when they go low we go. Hi, I do sympathize as someone who comes from a Middle Eastern background in is religious to degree making fun of religion wives. I mean, these are deeply personal things. But do you feel like Habib could have? Maybe not this this this one is still simmering. But with some of his actions could he have taken a different route. And stop these things from getting worse. I thought he would. But when you had lined the biggest pay per view, and you have see history with this guy. You know, I know that you know, the public persona RAs he wants to fight then than the the rightful challenger, and like Bret said bring order back to the lightweight division. Used was wonder how much money changes people's minds and hot on a fight for how much money they wanna make maximize their ability to draw an generate revenue and in a corner and can be right now would be what will the rematch would easily still be the biggest pay per view break forty the record that was set last year. And then when you can think about, you know, this is mortgage the business financial sides in a something in a in a in a in a monthly period that would boost. Yes. PF plus of stripers, you know to get cash. Joel's and men mainstream found on board sign up that's the one right there. So he always comes down to money and business and things like that. It's sad that some of the things that can potentially lead the Andrew like a said Kambas poses a history of fi is crossing the line when it comes to rice, religion, and culture and things that nature family. But that sells it's sad to say. But I'll stuff sells. But yeah. Going back to the regional point outdo wish. And I had hoped that could be would just, you know, take the high road, but he clearly hasn't and an don't know where it's going to go from head how much deeper impersonal in a how much further are these guys gonna cross the line? Yeah. This is would be tweet. In case you missed it as it's the one that as of right now is still up. And I wanna read the end I wanna read the last part where he says your hypocrite who is not responsible for your actions. Justice will find you. We will see like man that is dark stuff. It is. How did you feel about the Artem Lobov? Pauline. Is she altercation yesterday? I loved it. Okay. A bro. Small to my face. I first of all autumn is demand. Yes. Gotta he's is our he is the mak-. He forever will be the goat. And you know, the funny thing I totally forgot he was fighting Jason night this weekend. Okay. Anyone that doesn't really know what's going on? And who's flying in the main event of be KFC this weekend? You would think that it's paulie Malaysian autumn lobe of with. Okay. So that brings up a great point. So be KFC five is this weekend below it's Artem Lobov against JC night, former UFC fighter which is fun in its own writer, but all the talk all the buzz all the hype. The incident has today is Artem and Polly. This leads me to feel like something bad is going to happen. And they wanna book that fight for June. Twentieth. And Artem told me on Monday over guardless of what happens this weekend. Of course. I'm gonna win. But regardless of what happens I'm still finding that guy June twentieth. Why would you risk it? Right. Just save Artem for June. Right. I doubt Polly could have fought this soon because he just came out of retirement and. He only signed like a month ago. Just save don't risk it. Right. You want Arte making his beak AFC debut. Paulie, a boxing. Great makings be against each other up Jason night. I is a mistake. One hundred percent agree. They could have easily a few weeks ago just decided to call an audible and change things round for this particular event. But man, how do you not do that? How do you not save that fight because that's what everyone's talking about that video yesterday went viral. There's obviously a lot of history there with, you know, autumn's relationship with Kana and sparring session from Las chair, and who they are representing Navis boxing will stop right and look anything can happen in two months. A lot of a lot of things can go wrong. You know, you to strike while the hall as they say what if autumn loses weekend. What if he's got an injury on a multitude what if poorly gets cold feet or says actually are amount on so many things can happen and deviate off. This off is is it was so great yesterday. Again. Like, I said every. One would think that they're flying this weekend? There was an anything of of mentioned when it comes to Jason not yesterday. Nothing. Always seeing people talk about poorly and autumn. And there was like, I think facing night wasn't even there, exactly. Even at the media day. Which is another mistake having to Greg get the rub from the media that we're attending. Right. And then can we just give a shout out to Anthony robo vows, actually, my next poem? I got him this guy. I will he looks like a super heavyweight heavyweight. I mean, this guy is notice that I write he's they're holding back Polly wearing a backpack. One arm holding back. The other arm is holding the other hand is holding his cell phone. I mean, he's talking about World Service like straight out of that. I don't even know what he's filming at this point. I have not seen his footage come out yet. But it was great his presence. There was phenomenal. Yeah. Took the new enforcer became FC like not he'll never fight for them. But if he's just that guy who gets in between the face offs actually, pretty good role for rental Johnson. The super. Heavyweight. Yeah. What a great cameo know with these videos going viral. He looks so Hench. Yes. I mean, goodness gracious me. I mean, imagine if you want to return to the spol- on my dont think making to a five ever again. But I I saw a lot of people roll. There is a solid people say it was fake. I actually felt like it was real. I thought it was legit like the the slap. I watched it several times it looked legit. I actually I actually get a kick out outta Polly's trash dog. He cracks me up. I don't know why I was not tired of him leading into the mayor their fight. I thought he was a fun character. He was a new wrinkle, and I'm tired of him. Now. I have to be honest. I know a lot of people are gonna get mad. But I was eating it up his line. Like that was a a b slap for be. I mean that was great stuff. That was great love. I love Polly's, Brad. And then the stuff that Hussein's like for boxing. I'm gonna do for boxing, disrespect boxing. That's a great angle right there. Yes phenomenal. So I was really tired of poli the lead up to really may MAC fight. Right. 'cause he was going off to. On and it was just too much of every single day. And it was just chewing Matala time line to the point. Where thing I in follow them. I just couldn't handle on Twitter anymore. Right. But because enough time has passed, and this is an tweets this him and his personal shining through in person, though, it was just it was it was magic from the magic mind. It was the brilliant stuff. Enough time is now paused where he hasn't been over exposed to to myself anyway on his and it's been a while people forget he was always a charismatic boxer. You know in his time. He knows how to play the game high pup fights. I don't think that slap and that whole CNN scuffle was staged a think everyone involved that they would just do a face off in the face of enough would be would be enough to actually go viral and in slowly and subtly build tools zero ventral fight in June. But then you know, when pointed that slapped him, and then just went off from the camera. It was just it was perfect. It was how do you feel about be KFC bare knuckle fighting fan per. Personally, if I'm being honest doesn't do anything for me on wish the oldest success in the world. But yeah, no this slow much, right? Yeah. It's hard for me to watch. Yeah. And and I know people like, oh, it's fighting. You know, will like don't be a was. Bare knuckle, it just seems much it seems a little too gruesome for me gory. I think also a love Emma may so much is actually hard for me to like any other combustible and like I enjoy the odd boxing match, especially when it's like a big global event. But I don't, you know, watch jujitsu just jitsu. I don't watch just karate Otay Cuando kickboxing tournaments. I was never really into glory personally. Right. Even though. Yes. Some fantastic highlight reel knockouts in his fun. But I love an MA so much. That's what I wanna see all the time and not just a segment of mixed martial arts and una none of the fashions so to speak. I find it interesting that it seems like the boxing world doesn't pay much attention to be gifts. He, and it seems like the MA world MMA media covers more than the boxing media. When in reality. It's much more like boxing than it is Emma may it's essentially a boxing match theirs modified rules, but it's essentially a boxing match with no gloves. Yeah. Maybe us because a lot of enemies. Vise thing. So it's gonna that is like why they've tried to tap into the MA fighters slash anime fan base as opposed to try to get more. Polly Mellon is. Geez. You know? What? I mean. Yeah. Good point. Like, there's the bec Rawlings of the world. There's our logo of Jason night. They had they've had a bunch. You know was Tony Lopez like they've had a bunch throughout their their their first four vents. But there's not a lot of recognizable boxing. It's what that says about us or our fan base are media like I don't think like as an MA media member. Like, I don't think this is my story like Artem being there are story, but like to just cover be KFC to that's not an MA story. My opinion do agree. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think more about it. And I think maybe perhaps be calf's have gone off for M a fighters because maybe more of them that they can get the leverage of X UFC find the and the spin that with some with some pob, and and some peon of as an interesting interesting. Good question to actually go out of your way to watch Paul versus Artem. I will will you go to your way to watch Artem versus Jason Knight. No. And there you go now. Right. It's a mistake. Mostly because I'll be we'll be watching but just in general yet. But just in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's transition to that Saturday is wait, no Fridays. Inex- t-. Yes. Asari fridays. Annex t Saturday is the ROI h new Japan show MSG right than Sunday is wrestlemainia MetLife stadium. This is an incredible thing. Yeah. And it actually reminds me of something that was brought up early this week UC officially announced international flight week is just going to be one event. And I said it felt like over the past few years. It was overkill. I felt like I mean, forget about the three events three events were just killer. And especially when they would do like UC one eighty nine. Remember the Sunday after one eighty nine was Stephen Thompson against Jake Ellen Berger. And at that point, you just have a headache. You feel like you've stated the party way too long. It's one thing to go Thursday Friday Saturday, it's another to go Friday Saturday Sunday. Like, you can't you can't follow up a an event the magnitude of UC one nine with Stephen like a tough finale. That's just crazy. And I said it was over killed. Some people were mad like what do you mean? It's overkill and what I meant by. That was the you have is a brand doing the same show essentially three days in a row feels like a lot. But I'm totally down. If in fecta did a show on Thursday. If I don't cage warriors did a special show on Friday, Bela Tor, like that to me is brilliant. And I feel like what is happening in wrestling. Now in the world pro wrestling where WWE has their event Sunday night. They usually do an annex t but then like tomorrow Josh Burnett has his event in New Jersey. And there's a ton of other ones TNA hasn't event. Like, you said ring Avante has an event MSG they should be stealing that model for the July six or July international fight week event. Don't you agree on hundred percent? I agree. And we talked about. Autumn and pulley if I'm became c I'm scrapping what a date they have in mind for June, and I'm taking to international fight week. 'cause you could probably sell a lot more tickets in Vegas at a pretty sizable venue with those two headlining a call. Then whatever they wherever they're thinking about going in June. That's the one that's the move on makeup on. The idea. Yes. Because then you've got like, you know, a hangover of history of light like the contest off with Mayweather Mayweather reported either as Vegas. So that's what I do. Yes. That is a great idea prior to you have see to twenty nine quintet didn't event night before. Yeah. And that was really smart Ray because you like the team alpha male squad you had Sakurada. I don't understand why more promotions don't do this. I don't know if it's UFC thing where their territorial. But now, especially that they're doing just one event like so international fight week is July sixth and it's April third. It's still that's what three months away if I'm an ele- Fe, go to Vegas on July fifth and July fourth right up -solutely. I don't get why more don't do this. And if I'm a fan, I'm all like, that's I I was trying to say like don't have more events for the fans in Vegas that we just the same. You have see event essentially three times feels like overkill. I don't know if there's cost logistics issues withholding event specifically in Vegas versus say. For example, other states in America to privy to that information. Do you like the three you have events in our own to dismiss forget it was in the UK at the time. Right. Trying to stay up until six hundred in the morning three nights in a row. That was brutal. Yes function. I don't I don't think I did function for few days to recover from that one. But like if you're a B calf's urine Invicta all any other promotion right now just take an event there. You know is guaranteed to do very well in terms of ticket sales. You got all these funds in in town in Vegas looking for something else to do. Right. And with all the media that will be in town covering international fight week. It's not gonna be so hard to seduce the Metron to get them to apply for credentials and cover your event. So you're gonna get good pop out of his well, let us bring in our good friend. Phil Murphy who's joining us from our Bristol studios are lavish Bristol studios. Phil. How are you? I'm doing great. You guys. Can you guys can keep rolling? I would listen to Saen to read the phone book. Man. I know what a voice right seriously to kind failure to kind. He only rivals you at this company. Gosh, stop it. Stop it. So where do you fall in that discussion? Do you like the three you have events or? To you events in row or do you like the model of perhaps having one big UFC events and these other smaller promotions piggybacking well as a fan, I would love to be able to turn on fight pass ESPN, plus whatever it might be on successive nights and get three cards in a row. But as a member of the media man international fight week for UFC two hundred was mayhem. And it was it was only compounded by all the news outside of fights themselves that were happening with the John Jones cancellation and now Anderson Silva's fighting DC and all of that that fight week. I was in Vegas for that. And I was absolutely spent. And I looked like my gosh, it's only Friday afternoon. But to your point I remember what what they did UC one eighty four weekend when rows beats and Gano there's an Invicta card the preceding night where cyborg headline Nate, Alexa, Grasso in the co main and to your point there. Yeah. I mean, especially for things that are still under the UFC umbrella Invicta in particular, you can really leverage that with having all this media in. Town putting it on a preceding night. And then if a fan, you know, there's an expensive tach to where fan may not want to invest time or money or whatever they might do in back to back nights. They can pick and choose and it's another thing on the menu. So that's a total not answer to your question. I apologize for that. But I would say, yeah, if the financials lineup while you have all the media in town a lot of people in the fight world just is toward media fight or international flight week. Then it absolutely makes sense to put especially a card that you know, was Invicta like ten or eleven that people may not otherwise pay attention to LA right down the street. Now, there's there's a significant media presence there in that kind of the high tide rising ships you would love to see that. Because he'd love to see these the we all want to see the sport grow. And then the prospects the ones that are on those cards, featuring in those cards, get a little bit more shine couldn't agree more. So we have three months someone. Yes. Make it happen. While most gestion, I know that historically flight is only of alw-. Is done their woods at the end of the year. But if I'm them I'm trying to switch muddle. I may be do their yearly awards into summer last year. They did first time it did. Okay. My bad. So they're actually fantastic idea. Yes. Well done. Well, done your lips their ears. One ask you guys about Josh Barnett. He announced on the show on Monday actually, signed his freaking contract on the show on Monday that he had signed with Bela Tor fill this do anything to forty one. Josh Barnett hasn't fought an almost three years is this a coup like Josh Barnett versus Ryan Bater. Does that get you excited? It does. I mean, it would have gotten me more excited in two thousand eleven. I would watch. And I almost almost prefer. I'd rather have a guy of of Barnet's age pedigree come back after a couple years off. I mean, he looked he looked in fine shape. It's not like he some guy who's let himself go and he wasn't. He wasn't one of these guys. It was tailing off going off the cliff at the end of his career. So all right. Take a couple years off to three years off. And then come back. It seems like, you know, no more tread off the tires and see what he can do. And I'm not saying, you know, he's going to be world-beater. But if he's still got it someone with his pedigree. I'll watch and I don't want to just completely look at age. It is certainly a factor. I said here thirty two feeling like an old, man. And Josh like you said is age forty one. But we've seen Randy Katori when a when a title in his early forties. So I don't want to take too much of a cookie cutter approach by that same note, we've seen people who chin starts to go in their early to mid thirties. And if Josh still has it and if he still wants to compete, and he's clearly staying in pretty good shape. I say give it a go. And then if he goes one. Touch on the job. He goes out. Like, all right. Well, we tried and hopefully, you know, Bill or wouldn't turn it into him being around for another decade or anything crazy. It's a perfect fit. Josh bonnet walking with Scott coca imbedded, tool way, he can be himself. He can have creative control in terms of what he's wearing his woke out how he can promote himself how he can promote his fight. You've got all that onto the Benneteau umbrella. They allow you to have an express yourself get, you know, that creative control and creative freedom, and he's got creative juices for days that guy, and I think it'd be nice outside of what he does in terms of competing full by the inside the cage what he can bring to the table outside perhaps as an ambassador role. How could perhaps take on maybe a different type of role in Benneteau so much experience in the sport self? But it's not a surprise. I mean at this rate, you'd expect somebody of his age and the name valley that he's got to sign with the promotion like up to especially if he still wants to fight, and this, you know, a plethora of fight is out there that he would be very competitive again. So I'm not surprised of tool. I thought the delivery of actually announcing on the shows just brilliant 'cause the old of God, actually, a self right? Yes. It's one of the few times that a contract signing happens on television. And unlike in the world pro wrestling, there's there's no fight afterwards known gets thrown through table or something because usually anytime the contract signing in the world pro wrestling someone's getting thrown through the table. I wanna make a connection Phil from Josh Barnett signing with BELTRAN what to do with him. Now that he's in Bel Tor to what happened this past Sunday with DJ Eddie Alvarez last week on the show talking with Mike von about how I thought it was a big mistake to not put DJ in Eddie Alvarez immediate title fights at one putting them in a tournament. Having them go through the ringer. A lot of things can happen. People can slip. I remember back in the day Roger signed by Bela tour and he slipped in their tournament. And we've seen countless times where people signed these these deals they leave. The you have C Benson Henderson loses. Lawrence lark. Can loses. Dan Henderson loses for some reason or another when these guys leave the you have see the end up stumbling. It's like this voodoo that is put on them. I don't know what's going on. But in stumbling, and so I would never compare Eddie Alvarez and DJ in twenty nineteen to Josh I think that they are closer to their primes than Josh Barnett. But I feel like you need to look at that. And you need to maximize your your your return from signing this guy, and you've got to try to get him in a title fight sooner than later because if you put him in there, they say havi ally if you will and what what does that really going to do for you? But a beta version effort is a pretty big time fight. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? Like, I feel like these promotions want to try to ease these guys in and say like you have to earn your shot at the belt. But at the end the day, they're already established just give them title-fights. It's not the you have C you need their rub on your titles. Yeah. I mean, it's seems like we're on the same page. I will say though from UFC perspective. It's a win win. When one of these former champions goes to another promotion because. If if the guy goes in and just Rex house, the UFC conflicts and say, yeah, we have the strongest promotion in the world the guy who has taken a step down. It's still better than anyone else out there. But if he goes in and loses than than they can justify letting him walk. So from UFC standpoint, it's a win win regardless of what happens back to the question at hand. I mean, yeah, would have loved to see I think there would have been more interest for one. If Eddie Alvarez were coming in and trying to claim the title and not have to go through the ringer and fight someone whose whose name I can't spell on the first in the first try, so I mean, it didn't work out with Eddie. It did work out with DJ, at least at least to this point. You know, he's fighting back up at well. What they call flyway. We would call ban one thirty five and then if he works backup. Yeah. Then the calculated risk pays off. But it's cost benefit. I would agree that having them have to win multiple fights before a title shot just for the sake of saying, well, this he's got to go through it. Like everyone else. These guys having. Been former world champions in the UFC. I think should be held to a different standard and should be able to walk right in and challenge for Bill. Do you think they screwed up saying, do you think they should put them more? Is that easy for us to say in hindsight? And the right thing to do is to actually build them up to get to their built about building up. But I think there's only one of two things that would have made sense to me. And that's you either put him straight into the title picture who's him Eddie hours. Oh, oh, talking about Josh bonnet lead Alvarez while I'm trying to I'm trying to say to bell tour to learn from one one f c they messed up with the away with it in terms of DJ of he wants line. But even though he I mean, he didn't look phenomenal record. They should have put them both into tile fights number one number two out of had them separate shows. Right. Why kind of belies these debuts all on the same show? Why not split them apart? You know a month in a one month, Paul something. So that you're still going to get the mainstream North American media giving you'll show the love and attention and covering. It because of that one, you know, X you have see champion so use DJ for one call us at Alvarez for one caught and so on and so forth now connecting that Josh bonnet and Benneteau they'll Delhi one of two things that would make sense for me passively, and that's like you said you put him straight into tile picture, right? Because having you know, Josh, bonnet, you'll as your use Benneteau champion and parading around makes sense. All you do an Astaldi legends fight. Now, obviously made a crow Nolan with us in times of his his career ova, but that would have been fun. You know, can they perhaps something with bonnet and Fadel those kind of flights to big names of the sport. Especially in the heavyweight division put them together that main event a fight night cod. But obviously on a note out of them do anything for me. Just this makes up the numbers. This is making a cod. And what if you knew his what if bonnet it goes into the flight loses and you. Have lost that whole the rocket fuel that you've got over him just signing and the and the excitement that comes with that, you know, so the you have hasn't said this publicly, but I feel like right now they've you one as more of a threat than belts where I feel like one has more momentum than belt or right now. I'm I crazy, Phil. I don't I don't I don't know if I agree. I mean, I I can't speak from the UFC standpoint. But it seems like a ability or card with multiple title fights on it would have had more buzz than this one f card, and I think personally, they should have put DJ Eddie. If you're going to have them on the same card have them on a on a separate show and further up the car. I mean, they were like almost the main card openers in this in this one event, and it just didn't feel like the the steam in the buzz justified the fact that it had three or four title fights on it. Plus, Eddie Alvarez, plus Dimitrius Johnson. It was just it felt a little too concentrated. And I think if they even spread it out on back. Toback successive, weekends and marketed. It like that it would have been a lot better. I don't know if the bell tower or one as a threat, I would I would probably to bell tower, though, because I think the casual fan is going to recognize more names on the roster than they would for one especially among. The champions. I guess I just say like like from the Asia perspective and the doors that could be opened there. And just because they seem a lot more aggressive these days. They're overpaying, quite frankly. That's good for the fighters. I'm happy for them that they're getting all this money. It just seems like they have a little more momentum right now. I mean, we're comparing the biggest show that they had. But then you compare the bell tour vent on on Friday, which had a great story in Daniel Strauss. Coming back from almost being paralyzed in a great fight between Brandon Gertz inside what? And it just felt like no one was talking about. It known was like like even on Twitter knows talking about it just seemed like I don't know. And then you look at like when I woke up I would mitt I missed the beginning of the one championship car because I was coming back from Philly boy, and I woke up it seemed like everyone was talking about Eddie Alvarez. And I know I'm in a little bubble here. But it just seems like one has a lot of momentum and belts were doesn't. So glad that you brought up the whole aspect of Asia. Now, if we look at how the sport is growing globally in terms of regions. Think globally number one. You have see has has been number one for long times probably will be forever. But if you start to kind of segmented little bit in terms of North America, you have see number one. That's where the bulk of the shows take place. It's interesting to see what Benneteau is doing with a European fight night series. They they kind of almost as a part of this strategy. They've focusing a large amount of their name value fighters in localized events and trying to grow in that market because the UFC holds about five or six vents in Europe at the moment. And I think this ship longtime bet will look into a lot more than despite his events. Then you have look at what one has been doing and just kind of focused on Asian. They've got this deal in in America through Bleacher report. And so slowly that product is done to come ova to the US market, which in fact, would what pretty well intended trying to get eyeballs because if you look at the time zone difference in trying to hold event in Asia. You could you know, if you're anime fine. You could. Theory watch, you know, a one championship Claude while having breakfast or your lunch, and it's not going to collide with anything in the evening primetime with the UFC. But that's where I think the US dont baps think of one as a threat right 'cause they have big plans between a day. They've been open about that opening appointments institute in China and one has been operating in China and other markets in Asia for since day one that's going to be interesting to see how the battle of the promotions plays out 'em in these different continents. So Eddie hours losing in a weird way. That was good for Ben aspirin because it proved that you know, these guys that we may know here in the United States Timofey nasty Yuqin, not a household name. But maybe you think back, and you say, look, maybe been asking was fighting tough competition. Of course, one has really nothing to do the other. But of course, Ben was going to comment on that which he did on Twitter. One ask you about Ben aspirin as I make this transition from one to the former one championship champion, Ben aspirin. So as. As things stand right now. This is the situation you have see wanted that fight for June eighth aspirin mazal. Mas. Without didn't want that date countered with July six or going back and forth. But it seems like now trending in the right direction for July six, and I'm gonna ask you sand dune a second about the Leon Edwards part of this whole question. I know you've spoken to him. But Phil just MAs Vidal aspirin. Did they get right on this one legu- like this one? Or would you prefer something else for both men? I absolutely like it just because Mazda dolls name is kinda hot. I know. I know of the leeann Edwards thing is is right there. Given what happened backstage three piece in a soda? No one would have would have been upset had they made that. But I think the UFC made a good longterm play in that that fights in their back pocket. They can run that November. Whenever and the marketing materials are there and similarly with with Ben aspirin, we talked on this show a few weeks back given how he beat Robbie Lawler. It would have been nice to you you kinda with him wanna strike while the iron hot as well. And I wouldn't have been opposed given his history with Kamara use Monto. Just go ahead and say, all right unbeaten fighter guy toward up overseas. Came in finished, a former champion in the first round showed a lot of toughness, the duality of that. Because he he got dropped in Dr near finished himself. But show toughness got the finish albeit controversial to some. I'd I didn't think it was a terrible stoppage. We talked about that already as well. I would say sure you could have given him a title shot. But if not yeah, give someone whose whose name is rising up. And he said, hey, I'm here to fight anybody in credit to Ben asking. In for for living up to that. He's not, you know, married to having title shot. He's not gonna sit out and wait as far as the date, you'll see two thirty nine. There's there's a card the week before in Minneapolis with. Has Woodley Lawler been announced for that area? And it hasn't been officially announced. But I told that would Li is also leaning towards agreeing. There was a bit of hang up there. So it hasn't been officially by the promotion, so that ESPN it wouldn't have been terrible to have ask grandma's Vidal there either if international fight week you've see two thirty nine as as we mentioned the only fight the only car during international fight week in a long line of people who wanna get on it. I wouldn't have had to have that Minneapolis Norwood. The the guys who wear suits and make such decisions at our company either have Mazda all aspirin on that. But I'm gonna watch it for me. It's appointment viewing. I was very intrigued by Askins debut, and then having seen how he debuted. I wanna see more. I want to see really how where does this guy rank among the best welterweight in the world and having just seen someone finished Darren till very impressively. Well, here's he's an ex one in line and continue to climb the ranks should ask in beat him. Especially in. Of inside of three rounds. Then then he's got even more of a case to to cut in line jump over other not not to discredit him but jump over couple other people who would have a case and a longer UFC resume today than fight on at some point. I feel bad for the Annette words, I do and sometimes you playing with fly when it comes stuff out because with Anna may God's give you something on a plate. And in this case the backstage scuffle, Brule, whatever you wanna call it between Leonid woods, and who Emma's Adele, and is all anyone's talking about these the video has gone viral. This genuine heat that right? And you don't book them, and it just makes logical sense to book them in a fight next. We've talked about it earlier on the show. Anything can go wrong. You know, some of them get injured what if someone's gonna retire all what if Mazda loses. Leeann Ed was loses his next fight. And then, you know, you don't make that happen. I get what feels saying. And just in terms of keeping that gonna fight in your back pocket for a date. Down the road. But so many things can happen. And go wrong, you know, things that can lose steam, very very easily outside of mind. Right. A get what it, but Ben aspirin was Hoy. Dell I get why you know, Ben aspirin wants stop flight. It's a big caught. I get why he wants to be on two thousand nine like Phil said, you beat Mazda l- you could make a case to in line and go straight into a title shot against potentially Comorros men who you've also go some history with there as well. So Ben ASEAN, he's been playing everything perfectly. Actually when that London cod all went down. I thought during that particular weekend. Then when the event was awful Ben aspirin was the biggest loser out of the whole situation. Agree, I still God. He's been kind of probing and probing Darren till till just lost. Right. And then this whole thing to leeann Edwards and Mazda happened sought the wow will logically. They're gonna now flight. So what does Baskin left with is all worked out for his in his in his favor. And I guess if you hold him as dial you beat been asking you the first man to beat Ben aspirin, given a what? You just did in London. You're the talk of the town. You can also make a case to go right in front tile show. And I get it the the sand the algal so to speak when it comes to who him as Dow's career is ticking is I spoke to him at the London press conference back in January, and he is adamant about getting that you have to championship belt wrapped around his waist before. He calls time on his career. That is his number one goal is number one motivation. So I understand from his perspective ado, fuel Bod neon because right now what flight would make sense. He's fantastic win streak. He's put together, and he's not he's not getting the love, you know, you'd expect to put him onto another high profile flight in a in a in a big cod with of media to help, you know, escalate his profile so to speak at the same time off to be a little bit critical beyond as well. Think you know, he does a fantastic job of going out there and promoting himself on social media. There's a lot of wealth to be done there. Because at the end of the day, you look at the numbers have been Oscars. Pulling in my goodness, look as YouTube views, you look at everything so with Ben aspirin, and it's just through the roof and Luca who hazard out just a cult of personality right now that three piece in a soda went viral. And there's a lot of take that into consideration when you book flights and you start looking at the entertainment era of the bull right now. When you look at the rest of the division, the only fair really make sensory now for Leon is Santiago puns abo, I don't know if that's the Marquis fight that he's been looking for don't know if that gets them off the couch, but that really is the only interesting option right now for him one fight that is official for that card is Holly home versus amend the news. And when the news was announced last week fill a lot of fans roll their eyes at Holly home getting another crack at a belt, she's Owen three in her last three title fights. Had you feel about her getting another shot at the one thirty five pound title. I have no problem with it. And you look at the bantamweight division. It's the second least active UFC women's division last. Ear only ahead of women's featherweight. So it's not like there are many people with a significant case and Holly homes. Yes, she she lost Holly home lost her last three title fights. But she she did beat Megan Anderson who's on the uptick in terms of popularity and pedigree at at one forty five so Holly, I don't know who would deserve. It ahead of her at one at one thirty five. I mean, it's compelling enough. It's a fight that could have made sense in previous arizo as we were trying to figure out Holly home where she might go at a certain point in her career. Amanda, NASA's name would come up. But I don't know who else would we give to get when VERA like for me, Holly, home whole newness. If you look at the who could realistically get a title shot at women's bantamweight that one those two names carry the most value, it's the most marketable fight. And I have no problem with it's crazy that Holly home number one contender one forty five and one thirty five despite the fact, she's and three and her last three title fights. She's still a draw people still remember the Rhonda fight people like her. I know my wife always asked me about her and wants to go out of her way to watch her for some reason people I call home. Now, I will say this feels like it's do or die. Like if you lose this one. It's gonna be hard to get another crack but kudos to her and her management team. She had the Aspen latte flight in March should one fight left on her deal. They pulled her from that because she wouldn't sign a new deal. And then they're in talks for her to fight in Brazil against menounos. They're like hell, no, we're not going to Brazil to fight amendment. And somehow she gets a new six ideal and she's fighting international fight week under John Jones. So that seems like a good a good time in a good deal in a good stroke of luck for Holly, home, and her management in particular agent. Lenny Fresca's, fill great stuff by man. Thank you for stopping by. We appreciate the insight. We'll talk to soon hang out area. You're talking to you guys pleasure theory is the great Phil Murphy one last thing I wanted to talk to you about Santa before we go, just engage. He wins on Saturday. And he looked great. And you know, just engage. He is just to get. You is the true definition in the sport of prizefighter. It doesn't matter if he's fighting for a belt. It doesn't matter. If he's fighting the main event, everyone at this. He's must see TV. Right. Everyone's watching just engage be that was fun. Like, he's never been in a boring fight to the best my knowledge, I'd like to see him fight, Anthony Pettus necks. Agreed disagree. Yeah. I'm I'm for that. I mean, I think Justin gates you could. Put him against the you know, top ten lightweight. And you know, people wanna see him fight. You know, Anthony pass would be a lot of fun, by the way. What did you make of poll feld as weight? I was building to you are. Yes. Okay. Man. Good, man. So how how's gonna build to will done? We didn't even talk about this. No. So how billing to was my I'd like to see him fight Pettus. I'd like to seem fight Habib at some point. I actually agree with him. When he says, you know, I'm threat to be less. We forget Puhl Felder cues me. Just engage. She is a former division one all American from not the greatest university of all time as far as amateur. Wrestling is concerned, but northern Colorado is still division one school. And he was an all American. He never uses his wrestling. But I actually started to think after he said that in the post fight show during the post by show that. Yeah. That would be an interesting fight. Now. I don't think he's close again clubby. Because of course, there's a whole log jam up there. But then we had the incident or the I don't want to call it an incident, but the back and forth the moment if you will with. Gulf elder and this. This bothers me because this is something I've actually talked about in the past. It was a situation that we've seen with this one where you have look in other sports for those that missed it Puhl filters on desperate time will the encumbrance and pole filter actually said after his last fight that he would be interested in fighting just to gauge you. So puff elder said, look, I I'm a man I'm gonna I'm gonna say to your face. I'm here doing the interview, but I'm also fighter and I'm gonna just say respectfully, everything he said was respectful, but I'm gonna say respectfully that I'd like to fight you and gate. She was dismissive. And he was kinda getting egged on for that. And this isn't something that we see in other sports because in other sports basketball football, active players aren't being used as media members. Right. They're not on the desk. They're not in the booth. Maybe you're injured and you make an appearance, but it's not like the Wade's done in fight sports. Because in fight sports. Of course, you're only twenty two three times a year. So you can take some time and do these things, but this is something that happened time. And again at fsr. One which is really where this this whole new era of having these fighters do these pre imposed by chose started. And don't wanna see it continue. And I'll tell you. Why don't wanna see continue? That's just engages moment. I understand were elders coming from. I understand that he says he wants to be honorable and say, look, I called I wanna stay in front of your face. But honestly in that moment, you're there is an analyst. And you're there is a lightweight and your there's a guy who may have knowledge of gay cheer his opponents. I don't think it's your time to use the platform that you can put in to further that agenda getting a fight, even if you do it in the most honorable way possible in the most respectful way possible. I don't wanna see this continue to happen that man just engage was just in a fight his bell may have been wrong. He's tired. He's he's he's banged up. Whatever the case may be he shouldn't have to defend himself next to someone who's sitting next or via satellite. It happened with Anthony Smith and John Jones it happened with top two Tony Ferguson. And Kevin Lee. It's happened a lot of times, and I feel like you know, they may be getting egged on in the. Back to do this. I don't wanna see it. I think it's I think it's it's it's very unfair to the fighter in that spot to have to defend himself. You're there you've been thinking about it you've been prepping for it. I don't think that that is the proper way and the proper platform to further that agenda. What do you think when I watch these interruptions? I just find it oakwood. You know is one thing. I think if the fight that would just involved in the main event in this case, just engage is the one actually suggesting the fly over the one bringing it to the table the one trying to pick a fight with a pool Felder because that's his parole active. That's his moment if any chooses to try and set up the pool Felder, he's with the platform to try and do that. But that's on him. But to actually be the one to bring it in front of him and awesome. That kind of question oddest find a found it very old quit. Unlike fell did it in the most respectful clause e way possible. Absolutely. But I agree if you'll high to be an. Analyst of the closet. That's your job. You'll foot for those X number of hours. You can't be wearing both the fighter had a fight a hat and also the analyst hot it just it doesn't what for me personally. I get what everyone's trying to do like, you know, get the rub so to speak. You know, if I mean import eldest case if you are able to secure a fight or bit of a back and forth. Just engage. He oughta he's coming off an an incredible victory and a main event on ESPN great. You just, you know, put yourself in a fantastic ration- that but this away do it assist. It is a wet for me personally. Sure. And honestly, I feel like they need to be protected. You know, the producer should say look in in this particular case, your here's an analyst. And I feel like they're very savvy like that you thought they put they put Anthony Smith was no background doing this on John Jones fight. They put Paul Felder there because he may have called out just engage because he's a lightweight. So they're sort of they're willing these things into. Existence. I would like for them to take a step back and recognize that from the fighters perspective the guy who just fought it's putting him in a very tough spot. Like would you want the guy to do? And also, it's his moment. Let him have his moment let him revel in the victory not have to defend himself against someone else. Who's trying to pick a fight, by the way. What if the worst happens what if they actually find on a live on? I mean like, you don't know these alpha males of the split off females. And like, you know, if something is said and someone takes, you know, something to haw on this dining right next to each other. I don't even separate it by Karam, Brian and Megan leave you like that. Right. They literally right next to each other. And then it can be a very explosive situation and filters a class act. So I felt like he was sort of wrestling with like how far do I take this? And then like in that point gates. He's a or so gate. She can literally say, whatever he wants a gate, you could say like all mock, you out Felder in that case wearing the suit everything he can't go that far. So even he is doing. Disservice to himself. I think by even trying to bring this up like, look, we all know said, no one would have said at least, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm naive. No one would have said after that interview. It was never brought up a filter. You just you just you just worst out? You know, you didn't you didn't bring it up come on your hypocrite your face. Would you have thought that? No, I don't view him as Paul filter the fighter in the moment. View time. Really as guy was trying to I I don't want them to be like that. And that's why actually I love when they have the retired fighters up there. I think that's better because you don't have this problem come up, but I'd like to see them stopped because I just think it's not fair that like you were just involved in a training camp. If anyone knows how those men feel and women feel it's the guy bringing it up. Right. You're the only ones in this world that know what this feels like the relief of going through a training camp getting through fight week making wait winning your fight. And now, you're just on cloud nine enjoy it. You don't have to you don't have to answer to that. And I I would like in the back for them to stop pushing this because. This is like look coming from you. I know it sounds a little funny is as pro wrestling as against you guys are literally trying to make fights by booking people on these. That's not the way it should be. Yeah. I actually like a lot of the the transitions of mate in the commentary booth dominant. Cruise is fantastic Daniel Komi, fantastic pool. Felder fantastic. Right. Even like abyss being great job. I think perhaps sometimes when they're actually in the kind of the analysts desk failed like preflight post-flight shows. I it's good. But when does on the fly that Pap is in the same way clause will from say a competing camp or team? It just I just find it Oakland Cormie does a great job. Like he gets called out all the time. There was a stretch where he was getting called up by lake Latifi. And I think oriented, and he I think has done a great job. It'd be like this isn't about me right now. You know what? I mean like doesn't even go there. Now, I know this is the like in our story Korea's gay CI. Right. But. But I think it's it's it's it's it's incumbent upon the one who is being called out to just be like this isn't the time for that. And it would be great. If the ones who are doing the call out just stop now, if it's a fight like if you're Curtis blades in you're being interviewed by Cormet. That's a little funny in that regard. So like, listen, you could shoot your shot there. But that's different. Critics blades isn't an analyst doing that would be like Cormie doing the interview and calling out Curtis played. So the, you know, the flipflop of what we just experienced again. Like, I said that send the fight accusing to make the measure not the analyst the anti-israel. Who wins? Becky Lynch, Ronda Rousey, Charlotte, flare the man, Becky Lee, man. Yes. I just do a whole other podcasts online. Oh, she's going to be made. Are you surprised last night? Are you surprised that Rhonda in the main event, the wrestlemainia isn't a bigger deal in our world? Do you think that the may community is just moved on from her? I think we moved on think there was initial interest tons of how she would look how she would perform our member going into lost his wrestlemainia that was her in ring debut. She done some kind of like doc matches. And how shows and what have you where there was a few videos in this day and age with smartphones that were released but in times of the actual proper entering debut performing the biggest age of the mole at wrestlemainia run. Arouse the hit. Yeah. The park, and it was fantastic debut and the tree right there. And then a said riot. There's absolutely no way in hell WB is not going to use her in the main event arrest mania the following year. And here we are twelve months later. It says history in the making. The very first female main event at closing the show wrestlemainia you obviously, it's the right move in terms of using Ronda Rousey now, I pulled her in ring performances. I think for for the first few matches just to kind of out of personal intrigued find out how you perform against different type of restless, I'd say the laws of six months off not really watched too much apart from like social media clips, but it looks like from you know, some of the stuff that I've seen online and tons of Ruma this is going to be kind of her exit. She's gonna take some time awful, maybe walk away completely. And if that is the case then job done to be used for a full year. She had a pretty fulltime schedule versus I someone Brooke listener so more power to her. She was completely gained for everything. She performed really well now, we could do a hold of the show in terms of how we would've from the gecko her character face he'll stuff, but that's not a hero there at the moment. But the idea is she's not going to be around for the. Next ten years wrestling Becky Lynch's, Charlotte flare is and then just to use Ronda Rousey in the short window that you've got her to elevate. The two of them at avait the whole women's division. Put a big spotlight. Get more media. Attention think a win great stuff. My man. Thank you for coming in. Absolutely. It's always fun to have someone in studio. I don't know if Daniel's still around where he left us. But if you're there, you him music Daniel, he's gone. Once you started talking about wrestling. He was done other. It is Ono. Yes, there it is those my attic, I do love that song. And I welcome any advertisers who wants to. Wants to support the show because that's the only time I ever played that music, but it has been a fun day. In fact, I think this was one of our longer episodes. And I I cut a lot of things out because the Conor McGregor stuff just sort of came out of nowhere here. Yeah. It had to be done. And it's unfortunate. I really want to get back to Connor fighting talk. Right. Garin fight one week. Now, they'll be something else. We talk about and I hope not in a negative. You're saying something, and I hope I hope we can talk about fights. I hope that he can get out of this whole retirement thing, and and figure it out with you have seen that it'll because you look back to those those three years or so when it was magic you'll see one eighty nine when ninety four I mean that was the best that was so much fun fun or time. Exactly. And but it does not keep stuff in these cycle. Yes. Do thank you so much. Enjoy this weekend all the festivities. Are you going the whole fame? No. Because it's colliding. Oh, that's right. Yeah. MSG show. Okay. Wow. You're going to be busy. Thank you very much breath. Okamoto appreciate him stopping by his insights as always take very much to the great Phil Murphy, thanks to all of you who continued to download subscribe rate review, all those things more. 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The 'Fighting on a Corner With a Pitbull at the Lovers and Friends Festival' Episode

The Corner

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The 'Fighting on a Corner With a Pitbull at the Lovers and Friends Festival' Episode

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And now it's time to tackle a huge cartoon. Bela tor though like you kind of having a week belot or has a car. We've been looking forward to man almost six months so we'll tackle that later on in the show we'll talk about nello kayla plant kind of falling apart. We'll talk about the rona creeping. The mass gif that andre has always post on twitter looming over all sporting events and causing a crazy amount of cancellations but first dray. Did you see this lovers and friends lineup. That is coming to vegas but no would. That's that's what i'm talking about. I you know what i'm talking about. I goddamn trade deadline white sox baby craig kimbrel motherfucker eh. We yes right. You're white sox position nicely everybody else in the division traded. Everyone i talk baseball today. I gotta see my yankees. Doing i got to clear my head. Nightspots back y'all saw which all did y'all got joey gallo. You got rizzo china out. Hit everyone be enough. It's not looking great. So we'll see coal needs to be garrett cole again and they're not worried about everything you want sticky substances. Oh yeah that doesn't sound great but as sure sure and that's on my wish list for take out you know. I want got positive positive. We ate the same without the sticky stuff so they're hurts my heart so this i want to bring up lovers and friends. I 'cause i need some positive energy i need. I'm feeling optimistic right about baseball about everything. Feeling optimistic i want. Continue being optimistic. I believe they try to bring this festival up two years ago. Yeah year and a half ago. This lineup came out. We all thought it was fake. Boom the rhone hits. Everything closes down wasn't new festivals. Now they're trying to bring it up again we see in the second wave. There's delta variant. Shit i feel like this is a bad on if it gets canceled again. Fuck throw it out toward don't even booking for third time this automatically becomes the habib tony ferguson of the festival world dough this whole shit away if it gets gasol get but right now. I'm optimistic looking at the line of you guys haven't seen it you living on the rocks. I've seen people that live all over the us talking about this. See people in canada talking about this damn concert so everyone say i'm going to vegas for the demand is going to be crazy taking sales start like this week. I believe coming up for a festival next. May they think they should adc but they might be honest of the co headliners first off. I'm just run people through this if you guys haven't seen the flyer lauren hill is in prime position as the headliner. To what be late if they should has twenty twenty two. She'll be there january twenty twenty three. Yeah no way we get laura salacious. Let's get worn hill. You stay up till five. Am in vegas summer. It's still ninety. Eight degrees outside you out there. Waiting for lower lauren hill. So let's omit her. But we have usher ludicrous load john. Tlc sierra nellie ashanti gyro neo trey songz brandy and monica. Getting top billing on this flyer. I mean all right. I'm not mad at that. Tlc got tlc per day tc but you know now low mama might be the ellen in tlc. Then i'm not 'cause like a whole thing. Baffin greg left parts. I i can see how it fits but his blasphemous. Hey look nellie as they have nearly at the top of this thing which utterly ridiculous in my opinion because if you look further down that list obviously timberline you see t pain. Pay should be up there. Also see the dream fed. Joe which is very strange. I have no idea why. Fat joe's on sean. T's on here well little got hits. I really singing shit. Fad job has had the jury we're gonna and the kid on the piano the somebody showing up. But you know who should be up there. Josie because if they show up that's a miracle in itself. Oh i mean what the hell else joe doing. Hey joe joe is device. Y'all yeah you out down. The that's your opportunity if he shows up that you got inner donald jones. I'm just reading. I'm just jumping ahead of you. Because i don't care anymore Tweet amory police juvenile. The field juvenile should be higher on this post by them. Juvie guy hates twister. Right genuine fabulous fabulous. Does the rb tape one twelve even though it's apple so it's really fifty six. We'll be there next. I don't even know if they can build out a whole set. I don't like so looking at this like this john. B though on the city. This is a huge. Aren't be like you know if it's a should be like the sexually transmitted diseases festival because this is going to be a lot going down with thirty. Plus people in the crowd Not like the baby's version of a festival. Oh like folks not be protected. Look man we even put the baby all my god. Yeah dowden just jogged. my memory. She says but this lineup as great as it is. Is it better than the night and day lineup. It's also called dan vegas dade day and night day in vegas so called pay for the No better day. Vegas vegas has like current acts like people that command high price tickets people with multiple hits recently on people who are used to performing festival sets. You get some of you know the current biggest stars in hip hop you get that nextwave coming up underneath them where you can see star potential and then you get some people. Were just breaking in that. Have a lot of buzz corry. She's on the list. I believe you're right. You did say you trying to force me to drag you at three pm. Because you know it's going to be at three pm trying to drag you out like three ever watch that. That's one of those. Were we record the pot. And i just got draghi straight after podcast. I'm let you get in the wick by we're just. I'm guber distorting. I've already told you the only way you're getting me to that festival early is if i lose a bit. I might bet on the underdog like the week before they got some wild shit. it's november. We'll have tons of pay per views. So i might like have to know you won't take that won't bet on like porter to beat bud and give me take sean and if if i lose if i win you gotta watch koi lord. I'm not taking a bit clear. Underdog sean yes. I like sean and i'll i'll figure out so mall shit this. I probably lose that one. No but no. This isn't as good as that again. The nostalgia is there. But there's something that we've seen from verses is that she gets real thin after a while and a lot of these people are no longer how we remember them. How that's the difference like yingying. Twins is eight two thousand four anything inc twins window to wall like seventeen years takes its toll on people. Yeah but it's still knox a lot of people. That's i mean that's the whole point right like the thing about versus donald. Sing donald jones. My brother i don't know. Have you seen donald jones lately. Donald can still sing. Stop triggered done. Donna liked concert video. Yeah enter donald jones. Show i've never been to a donald jones. Concert and dow jones has like great news. But the whole point of this is. I don't think anybody is coming. I mean look. Let's keep it a book. A lot of the people that are going to be at the dane vegas shit. They can't perform either like they're not great performers. So it's it's just a matter of like this. Isn't the style on steroids right. And it's not versus where i'm going to be subjected to twenty songs by each of these people that they're going to have okay set's not going to have like really long sets. I can't imagine. I can imagine a super along key. Sweats it just three days. Though if they do friday saturday sunday would be forced in forty five minutes. Well this saturday from this flyer them. I'm looking at you'll everyone's on one day say one day. That's what i'm saying. This is like there's no fight that You can figure it out before. Oh that's fifteen minutes six. Yeah we could money. I'll be there so i'm looking forward to it. Everybody's not going to be great. It's going to be some really bad performances by people who think they still got it. I'll be there. Ma dollar sign e is on the ticket. That's nice es wbz. Sean paul good people on here so like everybody's gonna be dancing. Nobody's gonna be looking at the stage arizona we party. Yeah because some people got the dad bonds the gut some stuff just saying the same but the music will carry us through. It's going to be a bunch of drunk ankles. rt's and enthusiasm deals in the case of when baby bash frankie j on the stage there every day and need the sky. I haven't i don't know what the hell happened. In the in the sky should one song Eight marie amrita one song. We're talking about once. Every one song she on her she got a pretty good out there like see. She has a pretty good out like mike jones. What might jones guy hit. I don't want despite my my. John's got three or four. Where like listen. I'm gonna be in front and center for my jones still wrapping his phone number. So i can't front on my johnson but there's some people were one hit on this. I don't know more than one sean. Kingston saw rhino every pretty ricky song and they are on here. Yeah sure pretty. I'm right me and koi erdman. Shut up rat back. We'll be front row for that one. Too pretty ricky. I'll be front row for nothing at all media front row. You i really. Don't they told the photo is always. I don't see poster. i take pictures. Nothing not take pictures should either. But it's like the best in the house and you don't gotta brave crowd. Yeah we'll see again. You still you festivals. You'd like all this shit me. I ain't got to be that close to see because you know like like it'd be looming in the back or side stage. Yes that's me because it's just like you know. Think of it like an instagram picture. When you get up. Close the filters gone. And i'm looking at you in all your sweaty glory and it all looks good anymore. That performance kind of looks kinda suspect. You know what i'm saying like you know. I don't wanna see lil. Kim up close no not interested in. I'm not interested in seeing a trick. Daddy up close. I don't care about seeing job. Rule up close. Yeah but ashanti you'll be next to. That's always good. There's a lotta. I can't cassie maya and ashanti all on this car. Sierra doesn't do it for me but sierras amazingly beautiful is what. hey i met sierra. Didn't do need until i was at bt and sierra what was that with that joined ludicrous. What's what. I can't remember the album but yeah that shit earth like a calm. I thought she was in the navy. Video came out in a row so she came to my office to play the al listening session at bt and she came into office and they were like my watch us talking shit to me. Sorry guys So she came and she was like. Don't play the album and then you know when you do back in the day. I don't even know if you do anymore. We do a listening session in an office. Everybody comes in the office. You sit down and some of the artists their albums and the play music. You just kinda played in music so serious playing out and it was my first time like looking at her up close and why one. I can't remember who it was. Somebody's i want you to sit next andrea. And she sat next to me. And i looked and i was like oh man see like pictures. Don't do her any justice. She looks great. See people like that. Who are like definitely beautiful. You know but you see them in person you'd be like y'all like that's crazy like they glow sierra. Was that person before i was like. Oh you know your girl. Whatever but then it's actually thing we were talking to houses like. Wow she's not bad. You know who really is like that riana. I heard about that. I mean crazy. You go into the party. The on the party's stories while this shit up. that's crazy. I still can't believe. I'd like right in front of a i. I can picture being. Wages glows Seen jaylo like twice in my life. I don't know about jaylo now you know. She looks just incredible. But i remember when. I saw like early two thousand. She glows like she radiates. Which is bananas I saw maya in person a just. I saw thick my to not even number skinny. Maya mind's eye saw maya with the with the yams out. I'll say oh my god my change. Twenty twenty two years. So i'm sure she's still has that glow and i just saw on a luma best friend day club in elevate and ella mae is like just really pretty but she has that glow about which is weird like she only no makeup she just go out and just be radi. So it's wild. Some people do have that could see sierra with that. I can't knock her. Like just. Because i was never like a person. That's what i mean when she owned do not that she's not amazing. The beautiful that's undeniable. But i wasn't like oh. My god sierra league growing up like that wasn't that wasn't me also ashanti because i listened to one many murder inc dishes and Lloyd banks line the ashanti. Sideburns stick in the mind. That shit never leaves my no facts to it's just crazy credible and a duty by blocking that. Y used to date her sister younger sister. Low key before. It's cool to date dixie. Chicks and her younger sister serving will never seen them. Younger sister was always dick so my boy was dana her like bring around the cray bringing around the hud like and she was chops as my pops. It and you'll have clamped data feebles so shahi would come through the buck. Every now and then and i was like imprisoned. She i like it. Sounds weird talking to actually cool. So yeah the difference being up close to some people this one you know. I'm not about trina but amory's still probably got a police. Cleese was early early crush from me before milkshake. The i hate you so much right now like i love this. Oh police was always. I was super tight. Manats bagged her granted. I was like. I've talked but i just do like i've i've talked about on the show. I think about hair like a haircut like not like fuzziness but like you know like on the head. I'm very particular about hair so like when women have like incredibly nice hair and my beautiful. I'm so so yeah. like police. always like that chick. From because her hair was impeccable. Mike rocketed natural froze. Sometimes straight cleese's early crush for me so if you guys haven't been listening to that long you learn something new about me today. Everyone else didn't walk the ride for while you've known this. I mean i pay specifically to get my wife's hair done. Take her to the hairdresser. Tell them what i want. I like it blah blah blah. And they do so. I've been like that all the time. I as well. So i've always been like a weird hair control-freak So little sharing about myself before we go to break outside of that though. I don't wait for you can't go to break yet. Because we brought up the baby and we got to touch on that. Just real quick. He lost his mind for out for a single roll out. If there's i mean look man it seems to be i buying right rather you rolling out a single. Whatever you're doing. The homophobe has gotta stop guys like straight. I don't understand. I former won't rolling with allow which is man. They need to change rolling allowed to cove it loud. Coby got the hot tag. That ruling allowed While hope hoak mania but the baby you know talk about a dues Given head in the parking lot and getting aids. There's no album rollouts that kind of a statement there. I don't understand why they even do that. Do you understand the purpose like where. Where is the connection with the rollout. I mean i guess. The video he released for the new single has like a thing like he holds up a sinuses aids. And he's getting like toppy random places not mcadoo. That's what i'm saying. So i don't i don't understand the connection to that I don't know if like it was supposed to be like a metaphor for do like dick riders news. I go like if you were sucking dick at a parking lot. Metaphorically like if you were just like dick ride in an apartment like. I hope you didn't catch anything i i can't explain it. I don't know it makes no sense. And then the video makes no sense. Completely commissioners the song. I don't even know if we song sounds like mutant. I just watch the video. I can't make any sense out of any of this. None of it. None of it makes sense to me because again. Why what did you gain from doing that. And then what made it worse is when people liked ti and busey som- about like dm bullied. And you know if if like what is wrong with your for especially considering the past two years with covy. Ed joyce floyd black lives matter said more than two years obviously but all this shit going on and then. Tom valley gay people again. Showing your homophobia hip hop has a big problem with homophobia huge and they can't shake it for whatever reason there's certain artists who just have a good time talking about gay people and i don't get it i just do not get it in the baby. Fuck them there's no excuse for this to make matters worse you know quest. Love has been very vocal about artists. Lately are doing dumb shit and quest. Vite trash them rightfully so on social media. Then baby goes. I don't even know who you are. All right double fucking. You don't know who lovers you know damn live first off but fix your mouth to say that is ridiculous you on stage performing request luck and the roots as the band playing your music. You don't know crossovers. I do all but it's this ignorance man i can't can't with the baby can do it. Fuck was ever big fan anyway. It's not like this is i. We talking about with canseco where people like. Oh man now. This is easy one for me. It's not like i. I've been listening to baby my whole life on this is tough call now. This is a pretty easy for me. Fuck i draw. Saw like out so made a comparison like oh. He's a new day. names ludicrous. like he doesn't take himself too seriously makes jokey songs good party on music. All right but louis smart enough not to do dumb shit like this. This unnecessary enemies the fire. Everybody around him nineties virus. that's nice. no that's him. that's his fault. No because at a certain point you blow up people's dob around you is to take code you and make sure you don't do shit. Their job is to now. Make sure you don't fuck up the bag and they messed up on their job. No they didn't. He said this on stage. They couldn't stop them from. Somebody grabbed the might. But it doesn't happen. Somebody gotta come. Come through grad. The second mike just kidding just kidding no offense. Oh look look 'cause we ask that. Why should somebody take the fall. Because he's an idiot because he's the moneymaker somebody else in the crew. Got the fall on. No he needs to take the fall. Nobody is that was a moment. Exact moment the dj. He's dj in the booth should've said od baby. You funding just play and people you know what's next baby in spend the next track. No you take it. You're taking the onus off with the baby. The baby needs to be fired himself for what he said and the way he's not going to fire himself but no you can't that's enabling somebody when you blame somebody else for the baby saying what he even. Just say so. But that's what i'm saying. Let's say i work for somebody. Somebody some stupid. And i'm as publicist. But i don't have control over with that. Fool says onstage. My job is to clean it up after the fact but in this day and age artists have social media. They say what they want. Publicist kennesaw stop them anymore. They can try to clean it up. They can pull them aside and be like. Oh what are you doing but if you fire me guess what he's gonna do it again. Yeah and now. I'm out of a job now. He added everybody out of job so nobody gets fired. Nobody should get fired unless this was a statement that was issued that we knew the baby didn't right or something that was out of the baby's hands like he was the rollout. Everybody about i rephrase that if it's for the rollout of this stupid video and it was not preplanned but it was premeditated somebody fucked up. Somebody definitely fucked up but the baby said it life. The rollout is dumb. Yes but he the you gotta know better at some point you gotta know better and you needed to know better on this stage in miami in front of all these people and cameras and you said that there's no you gotta go bro. But there's no such thing as cancelled culture right now. So absolutely he'll be on three more features by next week Let's hit the break when we come back time to combat sports like i said to open the show. Not too crazy this week. But there's some heavy things we've got to touch on and a great match and bella towards so don't go anywhere it'd be right back after this. Hey everyone is lindsay roads. And i've got a new podcast. The nfl road show fun and kind of nerdy conversation about the nfl. Every monday wednesday and friday got some amazing guests that are joining meal breaking the huddle with the top stories. Previewing games which set for the weekend fantasy with our fantasy friday episodes and will answer some of your questions as well. Subscribe to the nfl. Roadshow on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. All right we are back before we get into boxing for talk cannella implant dray. We have to start feel like oh. It's creeping up screaming people. The ruina has crept up on mma. Boxing it was lurking in the background. It's homeboy delta. Came through cut. The hot tag saw that on twitter the the video delta taking the hot tag and came in like a prime jason jordan bow. Take a bow straps down. We know lie between mma. Boxing lost six fights this weekend. Three headliners and the next week. Amanda nunez is out of her fight defending her title and ufc lost the mate. And it's crazy because so many people like that should have been minivan because it should have been the main event but now it's like oh. Dana white. Lucked out by having an interim fight on this car. That card sucks odds not great. I mean we're. We'll talk about that next week. But it's one of those things. Where nunez was the shining star of that. Now that's gone. We still have a whole. What is this eight days for more test to pop up and craziness pop. Up is not looking good for combat sports right now. Oh and that's including losing tyson fury not too long ago. Losing -til fema lopez not too long ago Rising star connor. Ben is one of the fights. They got knocked off this weekend's card in the uk connor ben dwells way division months he crosses over starts fighting. Us talent we might have to put him in the same ranks as virgil ortiz Boots and like carbon is there and now his fight is canceled because of it postponed because he caught rhona ish. It's crazy right now man. i don't i don't know what's making this anymore Look man. i'm not gonna run around. You have to get vaccinated. 'cause i mean should be dug this point right but for those you want argue like oh don't tell me with do yada yada yada. We don't know what's in it happened too fast. All right man but you still eat. Mcdonald's fucking french fries and you do like there's a bunch of shit that you were ingesting in your sister you have no idea what's in it and then people say things like what about tuskegee experiment. Clearly you guys know anything about the ski and how that They targeted a certain group of people. This would be targeting a whole country. Well no not even a whole country a whole planet. That's ridiculous but if you're not gonna get vaccinated stop going to these festivals no fucking mass non stop training large mussa people like do some kind of isolated right like tyson fury. Got the i. I didn't get the second. That sounds ridiculous. Because he didn't want to get sick. It sounds ridiculous but with all these positive tests coming up not just boxing. Trae turner just got to the dodgers. He's out because it kofi. This is ridiculous guys. We're heading towards another shutdown which is tough to say. Because i don't think anybody wants to lose any money right now so they really going to push back against shutting down until people start dying but if that's not happening yeah this is going to get real tough if i cancelled in. Its ugly that you see car losing amanda doing. That's rough that that is a rough show and probably won't be the last fight to go somebody else probably test positive next week. I don't understand guys. We're not going to get vaccinated. Stop being around people but it would just keeping their buck like those people wanted to get out of quarantine to like funny. Should i see on social media. She's crazy like now it's being pushed as the trump vaccine or whatever so that like some of his followers would take in just a boost the numbers in any way. And you spend this hour. We want you call this. The hugging muppets vaccine to make people feel more comfortable. I don't care what you call. But even in that case people wanted normalcy vaccinated or not so. When you tell people don't gotta wear mask you tell people all this stuff is then hard to put that back in the box. Is these people waiting to for better or worse. So i think what we see now is this. We always knew there'd be section surge third search and we see that. Yeah they're still large set of people were still very very susceptible to catch this and it's still as bad if not even worse if you catch it now. Like the shit's dying down. He didn't get weaker. Not like it's in. A fight doesn't have tenth round strength like this dishes strong still so it's one of those things where people have to protect them so i think the numbers will go up. I think personally. I don't think anything closes at this point the answer is fairly simple like gotta get vaccinated whether you like it or not or whether i believe in it or not like that's going to be the answer and certain jobs will start to require it for better or worse if people like it or not To go certain places it might be required. I think they do that for they. Shut back down. We're gonna have events but you gotta have your vaccination card hope so you might be able to black market that shit like but if you want to try that art black vaccination card fucking the homeys move from. Ppp's to black market vaccination cards like in the end shadow show through. You'll end up sick and the home you'll get money so fuck but i think that might be the wave towards where go like you. You wanna travel. You're gotta have this car like you want to go into these large events and be concerts and festivals. Gotta show your car like you can't do nothing without it so that that'll be the next and people complain or whatever and then it is what it is but that's looked where we're headed as read. I just don't know if this is going to get really complicated. 'cause for some for instance for me. I'm supposed to start traveling starting august. Which is about time guys. let's do it. it'd be august for some. And you know the the jake paul term willie fighting in ohio. And then you know the yes. Oh yeah decline going to ask you. What are you crazy. I'm in a wedding that weekend friends. When i was young i would go. But here's the thing now. I don't know if i'm gonna go because i don't wanna go all the way out there and then the fights pool because a covert now what am i doing right. Lighten now in cleveland. Okay joachim noah. Hey up to saying somebody somebody. I know some our listeners. From cleveland but look like a good strong fifteen people from at least. But it's not my not my destination for a vacation but there's no fight happening there. I don't know what i'm doing that but then the same thing with the joshua oakland usa fight. What if that is cancelling. I'm all the way and fucking london. Like now i gotta think like what am i going to because for me. You know travelling's cool whatever. But i got a family. I don't want to be away from home unless i have to. And then i don't want to be around a bunch of people that can transfer this because the news came out of the delta variant could be spread through people who are vaccinated like they may not get it but they may still carry it like. I want to carry it to somebody else. It's kinda way yeah out. I don't know. I don't know we're we're back in a kind of in the spy that we were last year where the answer is. I don't know right now. What's happened but i can see it. Trending in the wrong direction. Clearly trying to get around race. Stop fucking come in vegas. You vaccinated fox. Dan rude awakening. W show on shit. Like y'all just keep passing it between each other. Every everyone in my household wear double backstops pass. I should like potato. None of us catches him to the tonight. Feel bad for everyone else but at this point like you choose which you choose like goosebumps or like old school. What is that the animals books where you can choose your own adventure. Why is that shit now so you choose choose what you want then might be drastically different depending on your choice between now and then but i wish the best how to everyone for those going to events be'safety smart plenty of pro wrestling mask. Listen they're not a sponsor so i just don't namedrop everybody goes. Sponsorships are appreciated but a loose amass dot org tons of dope wrestling elaborate mazzy alec. Three of them Rap bag member. Danny akasa got rule. A aj pat got a couple choose so like we got dough baz mass like. I am perfectly fine wearing my mask. Spent twenty dollars vs on this shit and they look fly my outfit so if you need a reason rock mass don't rock wanna wack ass paper once could dope one look fly. I get plenty of compliments on my pentagon mask. When i wear that out so do that. Stay safe as much as you can in boxing. The only big news to really talk about is camello. Alvarez was kayla plant looked like everything was set for an undisputed fight on september eighteenth that fell apart. Not because of the rona. I actually don't know why fell apart. Become it all we need been texting carpenter been doing a lot of sugary. Espn on. i still couldn't tell you why fell apart. It seemed like they gave canola alvarez everything. He wanted negotiations. I don't know i. I just stopped asking questions Because it seemed like everything was agreed upon. I know the one absurd ask was if kayla plant were to fall out the still gets forty million to that. I'm sure i get the fuck outta here like i'm not going to pay. You justify anybody for forty million dollars and maybe that was a big sticking point but aside from that can all doesn't turn down fights but he doesn't have like for this particular negotiation. I believe eddie reinoso was doing majority. Negotiation wasn't eddie hearn. Wasn't anybody else. Because he's a free agent but it kinda sucks is fight. The i wanted to see it was fight. The boxing fans wanted to see. It wasn't like a mainstream blockbuster type of fight. 'cause i mean maybe i'm wrong but i still think if can ill-afford triple g would on paper view would do more buys than conover plant because there's history there. Nobody knows nobody. Outside of boxes circles knows kayla plant is and you know as much as i love. Kale plant is really beat. Anybody for people to know so it. It sucks so kano he looked. I guess his team looks at it. Like i could fight. Basically anybody and i'm going to get the same amount of fans. Roughly the same amount of pay per view buys. And what are you really. Bring it to the table and that kind of goes for everybody so whatever. This snag wasn't negotiations. It costs us a fight I'm not sure what direction you go. It's july thirtieth as we record this. There's no deal struck that would mean can o. Fights in less than eight weeks if he wants to fight on mexican independence day dmitriev. All is the name this out there which is again great fight. Nobody can shoot about befall. They're gonna watch kello. I dunno undisputed champion. I dunno i dunno. It may not be against. Can't play like it would be an honest. It hurts came to plant more. Because i don't see where he gets ten mil from no look. He gets two million to lose david. Ben evita's light. That's that's that's what. I'm wondering right like gets real iffy. Granted david bennett. Vitas is scheduled fighting two weeks so that wouldn't even sync up anymore. No it wouldn't. But i'm just saying like in terms of another big for caleb who's left in that division if it ain't canals all the bills and if you're not if you're not fighting canelo bellavia is fighting in a couple of weeks and you're kind of benched. There's no fight is going to pay you ten million dollars no fight now i try. I try to avoid guys like charl. I try to avoid. Ben vitas at one sixty damn i don't i maybe you can swoop in throw gabe rosado some money. So he doesn't fighting ghia not fuck that gig. Rosado fight is how much you're gonna pay resort to do that. It's anytime because it's a fight. He go win and it'd be action packed. It's a tough situation. If you're kayla plan because kills scared to fight anybody but he just watched ten million dollars walk out the door like in a fight in his head that he thinks he can win. Most of us think he's willing to lose. What in his head because he's a really good boxer. He thinks he can win. And if he wins his upside is going to be even better because moving forward he'd be the undisputed hundred sixty eight pound champion and a fight with david. Benefit is at that point is a bigger fight than what it was before but now you're in a position where if you're pbc you say all right we gotta move on. And if we book kayla plant versus. Ben evita's it's a big fight. We can't justify paying kayla plan ten million dollars. We just can't couple million great fight kayla planet versus jamal charro great fight kansas. If i'm more than a couple of million dollars it's economics now because canal is going to get his. Whoever he fights going to get paid. And it's like the floyd mayweather thing if you're fighting them you're going to get paid but you control nothing when it comes into goshi. Asians and caleb says he gave into everything which i truly believe. Because what is your alternative. You tell bonello no you gonna watch two million dollars. Walk out the door something happened. I don't know what it is but leaves everybody until spot except kamilo you'll still be rich is still a big fight. He'll be fine. I mean. I can't doubt that. Now we gotta talk about. Who should they fight. A names Volcan that's it. It's easy if you wanna keep that date divall is the easiest. One problem is only problem from what. I've seen reporting all the report this week. All the quotes befalls management seems to believe that he's cutting down to one sixty eight to challenge no. They said they needed done this week. So bavaro has time to cut the weight. Those indirect quote and i'm looking at them at he everyone else. Both you know hearn. An reynosa have come out. Spoke a little bit about this. Hearn spoke about so far everybody else. Include canals is thinking. One seventy five home. I'll come to get your belt. You gotta cut anything extra. So i think the size might be a little a little off kilter on that. So there's a snag. That might be this thing. 'cause they seem to think they're going to get canals. Yes that's i mean that's wild and the rea- listless cuban book like the reality is doesn't have to fight all mexican independence. This happened before he ended up fighting. Co eleven november. They could push back in the kayla. Plant fight could be resurrected. You know if cannella moves off the date go back to negotiating and that might be what they were that one i would just ask for mandatory for one of the belts and just take the soft touch in books on for december. I mean as possible. I'd like to see got the bigotry belts. We like. You're trying to keep all these belts. Just gimme the mandatory and see who can be ready in six weeks. Well the challenge the again. The challenges can knows a guy who likes competition and if you if can all want a quote unquote soft touch. You would take it in mexico. Which is what the original deal with. Bbc was going to be one of his fights. Probably be in december that fight a mandatory in mexico right. But if you if you change the time line and you're doing that now and then you have to prepare for a tougher fight in december. I don't know if he wants to do that. But who knows. This whole thing is up in the air and it sucks and you know fight fans. You know they're going to be a little disappointed. But again you'll get over 'cause september's fucking loaded yeah and kayla plant needs to fight anyone besides david benefit is should. I wanna see david abuse. They have bad blood. they need now before the. I don't care buddy. I don't i don't care at a certain point. If you're not gonna get the fight you're gonna have to fight the top guy. The benefit is coming back for that belt. That's that's just what's going to happen and we all agree david. Bellavia is the biggest threat to cannella. Would sixty not caleb as much as we like caleb you gotta be able to throw a billion punches you gotta be bigger and stronger than hill. That's it triple. G gave canola hell because he was busy. He was strong. He can take a punch. David benavente has checks all those boxes. Caleb last gonna come to baskin. Although you're not going to be canola. Boxing match just doesn't happen at all. So you know it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with both of them. Let's turn our last break when we come back. We gotta talk. May great delatour many vent. This weekend you'll see leaves a little be desired but we gotta talk about last. Weekend's t. j. dillashaw fight so don't go anywhere we'll wrap all of this up with mma when we come back we'll get right back to the show in a second but first the wait is finally over. Football is back. You might not be able to be at a game this year but you can still be in on the action at bet. Online bet online is going to extra mile to make sure you can get in on every possible chance to win. The season from game spreads to totals two teams player and coaching props. Bet online gives you more options to wager than anywhere else you can get in on their season opening bonuses today and start off wagering a wins divisions and championship futures all day every day head a bit online today and take advantage of all the great sign up bonuses. Don't forget to use code blue wire at bed online dot. Ag that's blue wire. All one word bet online your online sportsbook experts we are back. The homestretch timetotalk. Mma dray. I see this on. My phone has recording. The fight we want is being booked. Just engage he. Michael chandler is being booked for november. Thank you number one contenders. Absolutely how could it not only is going to be madness. It's going to be mad this like they would that on the pay per view with use mon- hesse physically pinch hit stacked that is nice. Just engage he. Michael channel channel. Yes he loved. Lost charles olivera and we're obviously going with charles versus support. And and he had all hurt. You did he did. That's why it's an. I'm catastrophe because even if china word beat i'd be perfectly fine with chandler fighting either those guys for a or olivera keiichi. Wins another fight with. Doesn't your here for gates yuvraj solitaire. I'm here for that too. You know who this leaves out your boy conor mcgregor and i'm so happy who'd be ready by february off by man it's gonna take and i think the us he's gonna take their time. Letting everything figured out. But i honest to god believe connor gets a shot for not not immediately if as champion when he comes back he gets an immediate high. We're not doing this again. You're not doing this again if we did it for forty forty minutes last yes gates gateway for i mean gauging chandler's an excellent pfeiffer november. But i have to talk about something. Because i tweeted this and look. I found this common thread on my social media whenever i tweet about trump kanye or colby. Y'all motherfuckers in magazines. Come from me is crazy. People say people got you on alert there. They have my name when they come after. So the main event for the november card is tomorrow sponsors. Colby covington to for months welterweight title. I tweeted colby. Covington and horse horry mass would all have had rematches booked with less listened two years after their first loss liana whereas lost use woman in two thousand fifteen. He hasn't lost a fight since and he still hasn't been given a rematch with use. Mon- explain it and twitter has gone wild. I have had nearly four hundred people in my comments just to talk about why leon was does shot. I wanna be clear about something. I'm not necessarily mad about loose men coming because it was a good fight. It was and the finish was excellent. The fight itself deserves a rematch. However my issue with this is the following kobe. Covington is one one fight since he lost. Usstn whistles a washed up tyrant. Who's fighting jake paul. Yes to me. That's not enough to get another title. Set the precedent that jake paul can get the next shot at. I mean. I don't know because like we're going into a weekend which will talk about more death next week. Where cyril gain in derek looser fighting for interim heavyweight title on pay per view which is and people say use men and covington was booked for the money. And i get what you're trying to say. But as ciro guy gaining endeared loose for the money that's not a money fight. It was headlining a pay per view over amanda noon years. Who is the longest reigning champion in the nfc. Probably one of my most dominant force. The you have c. didn't matter necessarily who she faced. she should have been headlining. The logic just doesn't add up then people say well liane edwards you know. He almost got stopped by nate diaz. And that's the reason why note. That's not the reason why is because dana said before that fight. The kobe covington was next in line before leeann edwards and they thought he say becoming to get their next title shot snot that then they said well who is the whereas beat look only with a keep putting in front of him leon edwards being ranked as high as he is and getting book to fight with who is not even ranked and then nate ds. Who's not even ranked which fault if it was up to leon. He fights are five guy ever reason the. Afc is not interested in booking with the top guys so he can get a title fight. He has a long winning streak. He yes you almost got to stop any disk. But he didn't he dominated twenty four minutes left fight so to say that kobe covington has earned the title fight. Ms without earned. The title fight is kind of weird to be. Should one of them have to fight. Liane edwards shouldn't massive. I'll be fine words. You would think shouldn't colby covington instead of d. as shouldn't koby comington have had to fight leon edwards. Would if that made more sense just by the title fight end in the other question because people keep saying this for money young becomes a draw. I there's been no proof that kobe comington draws views. He draws pissed off people. He draws a crowd but have yet to see a kobe coming in car. Do huge numbers by themselves. This is a big fight. Don't get me wrong. The rematch is going to be great. I think beats him up again. Probably stop some quicker fashion but man leon. My point is leeann disrespected. And you can't blame because they were like well. He had a chance to fight. Loose bunny turned down due to his co. covert he couldn't come into the country to train a fight and they expect them to fight like three weeks. Notice that why are they doing leah edwards. Like this then they say well. He's boring with the why do we fucking have rankings. Like i don't know who else was born. Kamara use man. That was the biggest complaint against siren. Willie he's bori. Then he went out there. You beat woodley. And now he's exciting. Shit happens man. Fighters get better. Kobe coverage is not the most exciting fighter either. I can't remember thrilling. Fight outside of houston fight. It's really strange man. But you know there's this whole politics align with daynuss kind of works out right would politics no politics. Dana has faves and he's always had faith yes any ignores rankings when he wants to when he feels like it's okay he ignores rankings in this case he was just like. He looked liane edwards for the past year as he booked on against. Come i guess. And then he booked on against blam hamad and you poked in the eye then he booked when they these are. These are all people who are ranked lower than leon edwards. I can't make sense wiley on edwards. Can't get a guy retire then it doesn't make any sense. It's not his fault they keep booking with bullshit. Yeah it's he's stuck between a rock and hard place he really is really is called the cubs in use mouth is gonna be great fight. I just i just can't figure the disrespect towards leonid. Words just doesn't make any sense to me start. Despite that man get real fight was no. It wasn't because it did nothing for him. If he beats like. If you would have beat what would have done for him. Kevin ranked what does it do for yet. Nothing at all. I mean it was a step up fight for for competitive exactly nate diaz beasley on edwards. Nate is probably gonna title fight deaf but leeann doesn't get anything from these lower-ranked opponents if blah muhammad beat leonid worst blom put himself in position for possible title fight. This does nothing for leon edwards. He takes the fight because he got to. Because you know he's fighters aren't rich. They got to feed their families. But these this is wack need is sounds good ideas. Isn't that good. Did nothing for leon. I agree on this switch. Switch over to bela tor sixty three matchup. We've been waiting for since this tournament. Featherweight tournament started locking to win wrong. But a lot finally went right for bela. Tor we have pit bull versus mckee in the main event. Two guys. i mean patricio. Pit bull i'd say best featherweight in the world matters easy top five pound for pound and may fighter any promotion by being versus. Aj mckee who is one of. I love our pico. You know. I think they're doing some other good things but aj mckee is the crown jewel of that run. They went on recruiting every wrestler. Top young guy possible. Aj mckee's the one that panned out and lived up to the height. He is an an absolutely big health of this division too. So we have them squaring off. I still don't know who's gonna win. And that's honest guy and it's a good card underneath a to mentioned that as well Loosening new mogomedov is on the card. A good showcase fight for him whenever you see one of the beep family fighting. It's always dope manual sanchez on the card. Which should be very good fight on bread. Primis again watched him for several times for primus has some pretty good fights I remember just michael. Chandler really fucking up his leg his win the belts off of that but chandler came back. Michael chandler's michael meikeljohn and beat him for the belt. Percents primates as two wins both by submissions. After that. so he's getting back on his role former champion champion there so i liked the other matchups on. This is going to be a great main car. Dude bella tour when bill tries too hard. That's what she don't work out. Will they when they try to be cute about where the position fighters in these tournaments and try to book these fights and shit. Don't work out. It never works out. This is perfect. Pit bull did what he needs to do. Mckee did what he needed to do. Now you have a main event for a million dollars and the title in what i would. Argue is one of the most if not the most intriguing fight of the year. Thus far in terms of competitiveness. Yes pori mcgregor was big because it was poor mcgregor right both fights. But i honestly don't know who's gonna win this fight like i. I love alabama chandler great fight. I didn't know who's gonna wind was tough fight pig. But dude mckee's undefeated has been dominant and pit bull is is the best fighter not in the afc all hands now and these two about the clash michaela harrison or one on one with that but he's proven a lot more. Yeah i mean pit bull is his. I mean he's beat. Michael fucking chandler. Who's right in the title picture of the ufc. It wasn't like it was competitive bounces first round this fight yes again. There are great very intriguing fights in the ufc there are. They've been wonderful made events in a fight that we just saw this past week and with tj bills. All of course hannigan but this. This fight is to me being so much for bella tour bus of it's really truly a pick and fight. I have this can go the distance. Makika stop pit bull in the first round. Pit bull dot mckee in the first round could be a fight of the year. I have no fucking clueless rights going to go. And that's why i love it. I'm taking makita win. This don't know how that it'd been. This is too hard to get into specifics. Because i like the young up and comer stabbing you know his his name on on the brand becoming the guy much like john. Jones did and he was young came in just took everything by storm. But i have to steal one of your favorite lines. I'm scared because there's one thing we don't know about. Aj mckee happens if he gets in one. Good time caddy take a punch. They got it. I don't know. I know everything i need to know about people and it's gonna be hard as hell to beat him let alone finish it so i. I don't know about mckee. But i mean listen. I've seen pit bulls pimple longtime ago. He got stopped by benson anderson. Mainly because it's like daniel strauss who is an animal pressure. Fighter beat him. He originally lost his title. Shot back in the day. This has to be like damn your decade ago to pack current in a competitive fight pressure fighter. He has lost. Some clothes fights to guys pressure him. That's not to say that. He has fought pressure fighter since he choked out strauss in their rematch. I mean he talked about ran through. Michael chandler one arch letter pressure guy. Beat him over five rounds so it's one of those men to beat him. You really gotta be in his face twenty five minutes throw hands no fear and that's a dangerous way to live against this version of pit bull dog. I don't know i'm gonna pick mckee for this one single reason because of mckee wins it opens the division back up again now you got a lot of contenders you can find them. You may have even have rematch. Pit-bull if pit bull wins. Oh fuck he fights like he's he's beat everybody he just wanted to grand prix tournament as the champ. I honestly have no idea if wins. I guess next week show will be. Where does he rank it. Mma pow pound period. If he does mckee we gotta have that conversation. What mckee wins mckee makes things so much more interesting because yes pit bulls billion been ability for a long time. He's the best fighter along at one of their longest tenured fighters. He's pretty much done at all. If the key wins and him up it is what you kind of mentioned like john jones. It's like oh shit. they have their. They have their guy. He's undefeated he's charismatic. He and he can fucking fight. They will now have their guy. They can hit their wagon to the mvp in work. They've tried it which handler he's gone. You know then he bargaining guys like you know you have move sassy. Yeah that's great. You have ryan better. And he got dusted up in the light heavyweight thing but you have a guy that is yours that people have been able to witness from the bottom up. Strictly come up. You try to air. A pico is going to take him a little while but mckee. That's the guy if he beats put pit bull. It opens up so much shit. And i guarantee you that there'll be so many outlets shows talking about mckeon like well. Shit you see the best by the way in the world now probably vocal asking. Can ortega and max holloway. Yeah that's great without this. This do mckee savage fucking savage someone to pick mckee. I don't know if he can out. Strike pit bull. But then i don't even know if he could choke out the bulls underrated when it comes to be jj. I don't know this is a toss up. I'm just picking mckee. 'cause i wanna see chaos word. That's that's my only reasonably repegging that fight as well and then with the ufc. I mean we've we've had two cards. Last week's car wasn't bad right. But it's one of those where it's like. do i really care. Macy barbara got a decision. Probably she didn't deserve probably still a two to one fight isn't like she should have got skunked on the cards. No not her the wrong one. Yeah they gave her the raw scorecard. I mean you know then she shouted out basically did or canaan speed going on speech after that if the kids what the fuck who what is going on here so No she shouldn't have. But i will not say that car was a really good car. The last week card the Costa fight was really good. The pipe affiliates fight was really. Good darren elkins. I don't know how this damage guy took it asks in the first row bleeding came back out. This fucking guy comes back from the dead all the time in to make it a fight I'm a mom beating. It's the way he did that. Dude looks like a problem in middleweight. They they have. This was a good car to showcase. Some talent and the main event was exceptional. But then you saw mickey goal to by the way your makida fight this weekend's card your at hall i don't care. Nobody's watching the ship. This is the one week that the uc's like we're just gonna take. The dale was watching the ship. I mean and again they lost three fights to to the own not even not even that they lost tanio to wait cutting issues. Here's here's something that's fun about this nico matan. You is off the car because away. Cutting issues. Right next week a documentary is going to be released starring nico montagna and guess what it's about cutting await omar god tie irony positive light. No but one of my boys used to do videos for greg jackson. He's done like ma documentaries. You hit me up. He was like yeah. We're doing a screening in vegas with nico montagna. Oh you know. It's about way cutting and he hit me like earlier this week and he was like. Can you come through. And i'll say. I don't know because i don't house and then i saw him didn't make weight and i was like wait a minute. Wait you just going to release this shit. The money's been spent like is. That's wild documents on way cutting. You don't make weight incredible. Maybe the documentary. Who knows maybe listen. It could like the baby to be part of a release fled as part of the rollout. A ms wait by seven pounds. Build some buzz for this Dive you want to start their your. I hall sean straight win. I mean i don't fuck. I hate picking ryan hall fights. We did something like stack quota on ring or honoring side on. Espn made today where he is now. Tied for the most finishes or knockouts most knockouts in ufc midway history. So and i would have never guessed because what are you. Counting the chris wiedeman one. Yeah two are like just injuries. Yes come then. People were folded so yeah like he is now tied with like anderson so all right which he stopped him so congrats in that fight as well but man. I just don't know who he is. What he is like. I'm past a high train. He's lost once in the past five years too. So i guess i should be higher past four years. He's lost once and that was to paulo kosta so i i don't know what he is. I'll have him winning. But i'm not invested like you said short shit. This kinda sucks like why. Are we talking about car. Not talking about those offers hagan. I mean we decided to get our way. You can't just ignore it all right away. But switching back over because we did talk about elkins in everyone else in his car. The main event from last week it was t. J. dillashaw verse. Corey san hagan in a battle. I mean listen. San hagan had the fight early rounds one into i think clearly for him then dillashaw starts finding its footing and san hagan even in those early rounds one two and three. You still a lot of spinney shit. He's doing a lot of unnecessary movements. China do switch. Need you know spinning against the cage. Dillashaw takes down because of the little things where you're like. Oh dillashaw might be stealing around or gaining momentum low behold he did dillashaw suffered a nasty cut early in the fight. That'll do that. Like it was nothing so when it went to twenty five minutes you looked up like yellow. Hey you win this fight. I think and then going through wing for the judges. It's starting cowan on your fingers like wait. One assent hagen to say well wait. He got taken down around too because he did some stupid shit. Said you count that as ground control. Okay three three gotta be sent. He wait but dami let dillashaw piece up towards the end when he got caught against the cage on some shit. So i don't know so you start going through head headed four like cool. That's clearly td dillashaw. And then you kinda gets appointment like three to seventy then. The judges come back. Nope three to dillashaw and hagen's like oh what is happening on a scratch on me but you lost a fight my man at t. J. dillashaw is bloody. Actually they stopped to cut pretty well but he you know he split open mouth is low crazy but he's over there celebrating and he got stronger to fight. San hagan looked like coasted and now dillashaw is prime. Maybe i know maybe for the winner. The title fight as probably book. I think is revoked for december november. Yeah so don't show might just wait and get the next time of shot off a fight. He could have easily lost. Do one props. Tj dillashaw 'cause being gone for this long suffering that cut getting your knee pop by a knee bar attempt he could have packed it in this fucking. I'm just gonna take this l. like nobody accepts. But i certainly you kind of accept defeat between the cut. I can't see behind my knee hurts. But he sucked it up in fatah's ass off I will say. I felt like san hagan gave this fight away because the spinning she was a problem now. Look i'm not mad here for necessarily doing it because it's part of who years however you get to a point deepen the fight where you know you realize dillashaw is not going anywhere like you thought you had them and then you wanted to get flashy knockout. You couldn't do it but now he's just kind of giving up your back and your allowing villa asada close distance that sharp jab just you had earlier. It's not really working on top of that. Dillashaw has fought plenty of five round fight. Corey san hagan is never fought a firefight. He's never gone the distance. So you have to save that energy because clearly teaches not going anywhere. I feel sorry though for whoever corey san hagan fights nex because i think he's going to fuck them up. I just the way he followed this fight knowing. I know they're going back and looking at the state and they're going. We gave this fight away dillashaw much credit to him. He won the fight. But saying hagan kinda could had this bag any kind of trip at all. And i don't think you'll ever make that mistake again. And who every fights next is going to give him hill other things that i noticed there early in the fight shaw was kind of ducking his head and i sent onto twelve. Like he's gonna eat a flying. It sure enough. Sega spotted it cracked with the finding. Those are still there eight amen. Those are definitely deserves the next title fight. There's no question to me between pentagon in al. Joe is t. j. dillashaw who else should get their fight. I can't say anyone else deserves it. I would like for just entertainment sake to see him. Take another fight but the rankings. I don't know who is deserving of that fight if that makes sense now nobody deserves that nobody 'cause see one. That cuts got hugh so we to take time off of that and to it's like you know he was. He was the guy so he deserves that. Tyler gratuity san hagan. I don't know who he fights next. I mean can be dillashaw. Garbrandt again nano things without the looming specter of cheating and roy. I don't need to see that right now. And it's clear that you know a guard ran is talked about you know still talks about going down to fly. Like i don't know what he's doing But now man dillashaw. I think those are just give that next the next title opportunity. Because is between healing the cut between donald sterling fighting on november. The time will at ended up sinking up properly because if dillashaw were to take a fight it'd probably two months out of whoever the winner of yan in sterling would end up fighting so you might as well just we does extra couple of months. Get your title fight. San hagan just gotta work your way back up. He'll get a title opportunity. Santa higgins's scary dude. Oh yeah he ain't going nowhere at all these. This is still early for him like you said he's learning. This was one of those losses. Where you're like man this guy you know. He's not going to be a contender again. This is it for him now. This is one of those. Okay now this is a learning experience. But he's gonna be back. He's going to be stronger so now. That's the ufc in a nutshell will see if this weekend is better. And we think it's going to be and there's a lot of stuff happening throughout week. Get some boxing. 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The Gaming Tadpole (Crashing)

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The Gaming Tadpole (Crashing)

"The. HOOPLA go or whatever they say crash think. Or what some random? Stein. Affects crash anyway the gaming tab full. Chasing. That I mean as you can tell by the sounds I made If you remember crash bandicoot, those rue random sound affects but yeah, we're GONNA be talking about crash for I was trying to get to it last week but I got sick so I talked about a different game and now this week I will be talking about crash for instance I played it I, beat it and I've got thoughts it's got great reviews. So? Maybe. I. Am on the side of hey, this is great I. Know My little brother loves it. He called it the best crash game. Ever I might feel the same way you don't know you don't know some games though haven't been as successful as crash case in point Marvel's avengers a game that you are looking forward to it's been reported. That is just dropped below at thousand players does only a month after release people. Said Goodbye Way. We we didn't. We didn't have Hawkeye yet. Sorry. Way Khimik Back Quebec. It's led to some things that I have been thinking about about these online services which I've been talking about them. I've said multiple times when my piece but looking at this I kind of predicted but what is the takeaway of it? Well, we'll talk about that and of course, the rest of the gaming news happened this week. There is another closure bound fortunately at least for the US and that is level five games who the heck are. They will tell you about them and why that is unfortunate some rappers spend over two hundred, million dollars a two hundred thousand dollars on a POKEMON card congrats to him but Okay. And then I see, I, I've been working all day. So my brain is also a little bit fried Riyan is waiting patiently. Rock band for rock. Band is back. Are you excited about rock band coming back. That is what we got on the show today and of course reality Riano you're doing that says we both just got home from Tire Day of work or one of US probably had a great time with other one done. But Hey, we it pays the bills. I guess you know let's say even though we live with their family members but yeah. For. What do you? Yeah you should enjoy what you do or you blow list at least you got something I mean that's the thing is Things aren't looking good there their job market people lose them covenant going upwards all that stuff. But Hey, you on video games if nothing else that's. Really. What start with the show? Now on to the show man that crash bandicoot he's always jumping crates collecting those fruits foiling the Doctor Neo Court Texas evil plans being the crap out of other people. than sleeping on his couch and gang woken up by magical TIKI got. God. And crashes had such an interesting history because it's at the very beginning. We would think when crash I came out back in the day was going to be Sony's mascot, and then after three games, a kart racing game, and then a party game Sony was already done with it and they sold off to activision who has been bowling license for the longest time through different game. Studios. Making Games from crashes became a whole different thing. It turned into beat him up where you take control of monsters in crashed does looked like a Hawaiian surfer. Yeah. I mean you there was part where if it wasn't the character that people remembered anymore, which is unfortunate but hey, you went geared guarantees change but I was not a popular change people did not like it crash of the titans or Rafeh Tian's whatever. So activision rebooted the franchise by remaking the first crash games in in Saint. So's remastered for every platform PS four xbox ones which see you can play all the firstly crash games than beautiful gorgeous graphics. But exactly how you remember them and then there was they, they had the same treatment or similar treatment to the crash team racing game, which they call crash team racing nitro field where they mixed crashed wine with the PS two sequel. gave it. Online multiplayer and all that. So crashes kind of a rose back up into the franchise that the original fans loved eventually would get to the point where we get a brand new crash bandicoot adventure, which is now where crashes woken up once again from his couch because neo cortex and engage the one of the bad guys from crashed three, they found a vortex into different. Dimensions possibly new scheme to take over the world and do lots of villainy stuff. Crash S to go through all these levels bouncing on crates and spinning bag is in the air collecting all the stuff to save the day him and cocoa course along the way crash meet some new allies or at least allies from the original trilby that have been reborn as different characters. Are. least they have different things going on with them such as Taiwan was the before cocoa she was the original Damsel in distress why I'm not Daniel Strauss but like the original female indicate character and they turned her into a action star and then he got Dingo dial who was another boss fight in the third game now own restaurant and bar changing his ways he. Could things work our could they save the day once again and all that now all be honest here when I played the insane chill I like to there was so much a crash panic. You just didn't hold up for me like the ritual game for example, I just didn't think it was very good like another people love it but it felt like a prototype for what the playstation one could handle and the rest of it was just hey, we're gonna make this hard for the sake of why we're GONNA make extremely difficult levels. You'll die thousands of times and none of them being fair like they're these bridge levels re could. Barely see what's gone ahead of you and you could easily miss the jumps like I didn't even know I had to jump on the little rails to get through those levels and to me, that's not great. Game Design other people disagree people loved the original crash in the original crash rotary I did not like the original crash and I enjoyed crashed to but I loved crash three crash three war. But even then when I went to the SPYRO trilogy, 'cause The after crash remastered they did one for Spyro as well where they remained the first three games again, gorgeous visuals all that I think spiral holds up more than crash. Both Games as I played very little of both. All. Your Voice doesn't matter. I. Selected there's will mangoes. What they're all they kind of. And crash is like that the little little fruits I mean in those old school platformer, you're always had those collectibles, coins, rings whatever. Have you. So going into this and even when they remain crash team racing, I liked that too. But there are things about that didn't hold up for me mid especially the boss fights, and then now we go to this and had to say there are things that are very impressive with us from the go I mean the visuals they speak from the self everybody's. Animated like a Shark Jones Animation Joensuu worked on looney tunes back in the day and also the original grinch it was even some facial animations of engage the kind of remind me of the grinch the way he does kind of does his little sinister villain Grimm. It's like, okay. So they paid in real detail about those old cartoons and try to make the story Zany. Some funny gags going on and it's a story that laughed at self be silly. Be goofy even though it doesn't make sense half the time I'll get there's a there's some character things that happen towards the end I'm like. What I was entertained by it like every cut scene happen I was enjoying seeing it Kinda. Brought me back to the those old age of cartoons I mean the way they just kind of animated characters anything else if not for the dialogue I just wanted to see the characters animated which carries over onto the gameplay that is very similar to the original crash. Trilogy, it's the Tutti two point, five D platformer where you're in a linear path that sometimes to d sometimes three bouncing on crates you got the TNT, the red team t creates jump on them. They have three seconds explode and yeah, the green tea crates were you should not touch them or else you'll get your butt blown to smithereens end of course he. mentioned the fruits collecting enough fruits although in the original trilogy collecting want fruits would get you an extra life in here. They've made something different with the progression that is what the gems now gems were. Extra collectibles are introduced. Since the second crash game, they're more incentives to keep playing to get those extra levels and get one hundred percent in here they're the gems. Are usually obtained half of them by collecting enough bumper fruits. There is the twenty fifty, eighty percent one per fruits, and then one collecting all are breaking all crates then one getting through level without dying or dying less than three times throughout the stage and then wine finding that hidden gem located around the level you got six gems are about six gems, each of the. Several levels I think they're about a hundred of them. The game is longer than each of the crash games. It's like as long. I would say as the entire children combine Scott play levels going on, it's not terribly low. Super Super. Long. Like it's twenty hours or anything but not which I played the original crash children they are each of those games. They're pretty sure. So combine this. It makes the length of like eight ten were laughing. and. Laughing at me because. Because her goofball because the said like it's nothing only twenty hours now it's like I. Don't know again that I haven't spent at least twenty hours when I saw. Plenty Games are twenty hours long I mean. I I'm sure I've spent way too long game. Like I'm sure got up for twenty hours and I haven't the so slow. The thing with Games today is that I heard there is an interview were a developer saying that yet the studios they only want games are at least fifteen to twenty hours long like you can't make an eight to twenty eight to ten hour long game else than I don't know but ed barely these guys did. beat it and think about nine or ten hours not getting one hundred percent. But I'll get to that. It's a normal length gay. There's people make big deal like people who judge the quality game based on how long it is which I think is really crazy. But the whole thing like that it depends on your skull level and what you're actually you know I mean even even for any percent and still depends on your skill level and the like what your? Track record with Yang twitter you're supposed to do. Away. Yeah. So it's the length of all three of those games combine. There's play a bonus stages you get them from these flashback tapes you find in each of the levels which require you to not die once prior to finding them or else than they go invisible yet to replay the level of game but basically, they would get you to these puzzle like stages were just you and a bunch of crates and the puzzle is trying to see if you can get through the level. Jumping on crates the whole time and trying to balance on crates because there's playing a bonus challenges I mean, the other thing that returns some original trail, the East bonus stages you go up the side of the question market transports you to another part of the level where you're selling puzzled a try to get all the crates beginning to the end and each challenges progressively more difficult. So those flashback tapes are more less than extension of bonus levels, e C, just a longer than that and. The other extra levels you will run across throughout the game you are able to play as other characters besides crash or cocoa. Now, through the whole game, you can switch between out a crash or cargo through any levels but there are some extra stages throughout the story were you run into Taiwan Dingo Dell and then later on Neo cortex and you get the plows them answer these absorb these little side story status where you'll get into the sern- level were of certain thing happens throughout the stage and crash or Cocos on how did that happen? So there's A. Stage specifically for you playing this character to find out how that scene particular say as ship blows on. Okay. How did that Shit blow up? Well, here's a stage of playing as NEO CORTEX and you're discovering how ship which then the second half goes back to crash or cocoa fishing the rest of the stage laid out differently than it was before as so it's an interesting thing to kind of add onto the. Game I mean for the most part you played the prehistory crash games it is it is very similar to crash to for the most part I mean the moves that crash or cocoa has and all that I mean it will. You'll feel right at home and that's why my little brother loved it so much because it felt exactly like the original crash games, which is good. 'cause there is some fun to the two. Point five platforming when you get past the parts were trying way too hard. The hardest thing ever when is focusing on the ideas what has with level design of the different crate types they either new crates they introduce such as crates that give you so many walkers or crates that will catch on fire, and so you have to make sure you hit them when they're not on fire and then their crates were there. Invisibles yet to flip some time switches in order to temporarily activate them or the other big difference here besides the crates are the mass does game has four additional. TIKI. Mass. You'll run across each of them have their own powers why heavy switch between two dimensions another having glide with the spin attack and having a stronger spin attack the later you'll get ones where you can s flip upside down or between to. Grab. Gravity spaces of gravity. Then there's one Reagan slow down time though these four massive altogether what I just okay. I have seen. Stream of someone trying to play and I. I I remember the part was what's happening. He slowed down time order to get across a thorough. There plenty of levels throughout the whole take advantage you're going you're going through snow. Fortress you're going through China, you're going through a neon city you're going through space station. There's so many different locations that in different dimensions and time periods crash near desert, and then after a couple levels, fight off a boss and half the bosses or most of them are returning villains from the original trilogy with new things that they've got their sleeve, the boss fights, their pro, the great each one of them, they have their own little patterns yet to avoid their own low weak spots normal strategy gotta get through, and there are a lot of fun the the key the villains they also spat out live trash talk kind of encouraging you to kick their butts. The classic villains from crashed the some I forgot their names but one really loves chemicals and he's from the first game. Rita's mix chemicals together eventually turns into basically the hall. Any interesting okay is voiced by I think a the the voice actor of brain picking the brain. No like I like his dialogue like he's like, Hey, crash what you've been up to you know me I spend mixing potions, smelling potions, testing potions as slipping bed with potions doing. Now. He did say that but they make fun of the stereotype they had the original children. So I mean they they are fun with the dialogue in the even know knowledge times I mean towards the second half a part were engaged gets girlfriend comes on nowhere way when you find gauge, he's with the one of the bad guy is from crash team racing and he finds us female and gauge and they're just flirting with each other the whole time. I love the way. Your feel so evil yes. Let's take over the galaxy together I the whole time. Know No. They're literally making faces at each other like. I like your staff or look your staff to and I I'm just looking at. The heck. Did you come from cozy? Just comes out of nowhere halfway through the game? Yeah. So I mean it's not a great story and there's a part where like neo cortex she he turns good. Only turn bad again of for no reason and I'm like, okay well. At? least. The game is having fun with itself even when it's not making sense I definitely appreciate that again is having itself. Oh. Yeah. It does. It does and another thing is for something that is aimed at a family audience. There is some cursing and crash for years apart were dinger dial drops a swear word when his diner explode I mean this was not even a sport. This is win the gameplay trailers they introduced dinger dial in his old plot he said a word and I looked at my cat and I'm like oh Here's here's. What's Out Okay well I mean. She is my baby. She doesn't need to hear those words. Find. In her inner meowing. Ma'am. Don't you dare say that to me? But, there's playing things to enjoy and yet this game still falls in the trappings of stuff that I didn't think holds well with crash and it goes back to the game in trying to advertise itself as being super difficult like the developers Evenson, the trailer a, we made all these masks. So we can throw super hard challenges at the player or Super Ridiculous Jones's up the player, and when we get to the later parts of the the game, some those levels are just not fine. I'm not saying this Khazal, I'm a I'm a I'm a filthy casual need everything to be easy. I mean they try to make things a little fair like there's for those who like the plate little retro away you can play with the lives or you could play at where you. Just if you diet as respond at a layered checkpoints, they'd give that option and I'm not saying like, oh I don't like the whole life thing. It's just that with some of the levels being super sadistic. Throwing all types of deadly traps in a split second meaning that you have to have super like unbelievably fast reflexes in some of these stages or else than your butt kicked in yet to restart the next or the last checkpoint, and there are some status I just didn't feel like bet were fair they. They were fun because they're just focused on just trying to be the hardest thing ever. Now I still eventually beat them but there were certain parts of the game were I'd I'd like at least fifty times like, yeah there are some crazy hard levels in in. This game, not even in a good way just like, okay. The Way to make this fun is let's throw all these all these traps in all these things that come at you super-quick I mean there's this whole anti gravity level were there are green tea creates you don't see until like right as they come in. But yet to react super fast to the mass that you've got or else than you blow up or you fall off the edge or something else happens and you miss the shot I, just don't find that fine their people do I mean there are people. Yeah there are people were like men. This game is hard than it's basically good and the people who tell me that. Yeah Mario. Galaxy Mario Odyssey isn't good because it's too way too easy am. Acknowledging that bats its own. Awesome. I mean in terms of the game but was like to say that it's Not good because it's not difficult i. mean there's still a lot of both probably going to be difficult. There are people who based the quality on the game based on how difficult it is, and that's just not me it with a Mario Galaxy in why I kind of prefer that platformer over crashes that. Mario. When I talked about my galaxy I- gushed about like how much it keeps inviting you to continue playing the game 'cause every few stars you get you. You branch out to Morse bubbles detri- in some of those are super hard themselves like not all of them are like really easy. Just the main path story is your not not terribly dovid goal, but they still provide a lot of fun to have magic of game design going on same has got some ridiculously difficult levels post game, but the. Main campaign just focuses I'm giving you a great time and. Yeah on. Well, there's that too and those game like well, giving a great time is also giving your heart time and to me it's like, no, you give you give me a hard time. Just give me a hard time in Nollie that were I will have to say I still think crash three warp is the best crash game is crashed three war had all these. You need to get that would unlock more stages and another thing is the challenge in that was fair. They didn't throw I. Mean they throw some hard state is later, but they didn't throw any things that were that was meant to pull your hair out and I don't mean this in the same way as they cup cup is super hard to. But there is a lot of the things that the boss fight designs that make A. Still incredible to play even though yeah, it is unbelievably hard game but this lake, no, the bus weights they're fine and they're actually not super difficult but the state is in between where they just throw all these traps to them. That's great. But I mean to me, it's not at me and I'm like all right and then there's the collectibles here. So what happens when you get all the gems while you on that cautions for? Crasher code address up as we're just fine those are cool costumes but with the crash three, allowing you to access new stages from working hard on these collectibles on these gems on these relics and also having just kind of balanced difficulty in with crashed for being super hard at certain places an Y'all your rewards purely cosmetic. Leased, less incentive for me to WANNA like one hundred percent because all the hair pulling to get through these shout difficult stages and Addison, not a suit that may or may not feel interested in and dressing crash Baz and beyond. So I just kind of ignored a lot of the cautions I think it's cool to have customization on your character but. I guess, maybe I'm muscle spoiled with Tony Hawk Pro Skater remastered, were they gave you deep customization you got to customize their shoes and their socks everything and give different colors in all that crash a few I mean, you've got quite a few cautions, but they're all from getting through all these super ridiculously hard bubbles to get all these gems or these relics. Not, worth it I. got it. So beyond that's why I don't think it's the best and the fact of trying to appeal to fans of the first crash and the fans of the third crash. I kind of would have liked it better they they moved forward instead of try to move forward and back at the same time. So out of ten stars, you give it a it's weird because I still enjoyed myself the. One thing that I that that made me want to replace the levels that I I did enjoy is this in N. burden status Oh, after you complete the levels, you can try to go through them again but were the second time. There is a difference going on like either they'll be underwater or they'll be on ice or they'll be some really trippy ways of playing the game such as. Everything being in darkness to light everything up a continuously spinning and the music kind of playing itself in backwards. It's a really cool way to experiment with replaying other stages to get more gems i. mean the jump parts are the things I'm crazy about it but it's just the fact of playing them in a different way. I decided to be really cool it. I would give them a stamp. Yuccas. between seven and eight I'd say for die. Crash fans for people who loved the original crashed oldies. It's like an eight or nine or even ten for those who were like yeah. I like crash it's but it's not that amazing them yet. It's kind of sudden. It's good. In fact, they make more crash games I'd be like, okay. Let's see what crash fives about although at the end they did what you know that. The Guy who voices Acura Cou he passed away this year. So what they do with that character that will be something I. I don't know if will happen with that off. He was great in that as accurate even though he didn't have a large role effect, the mass, the Acapulco. IN HOOKAH HOOKAH HOOKAH DIS- basically passes out the being the game you never hear from him again. His So that was kind of interesting because he people I. Think he was turned out to be a loved villain and I guess they didn't have anything for him. So like you never mind Yeah Mel winker is the was the voice, Acura? The later crash games but he died this year, which is unfortunate. Yeah. I, I liked a view like crash on I. Don't see relation get a Nelson, a game that wasn't as successful as crash that marvel vendors, which when we talked about I was kind of concerned but you're like, yeah, marvel I can't wait to play this game. Play Mike a China that yeah. Well, he might be one only people who played a good chunk of it 'cause according to the player data player base for Marvel vendors keeps rapidly dropping not even slowly dropping like pummeling down Everson's after the first week of release, and now there are less than a thousand players on this game, which is bad for multiplayer game like this. Air But at the same time more things coming out and like Jensen has taken over a lot lunch. Extremes we. Is What we're going to kind of talk about as like why did it take off? 'cause you're thinking marvel? Hey, they make great success in the movie Space Ed. That's Marble Spiderman Game Baltimat- lines three. I think that's Solter Zo. Yeah. Why didn't this game takeoff? It actually goes beyond us against an impacts and there's a reason why against it impacts are Goffin this dinner for one there was issues going on with this game as soon it was revealed because people made a big deal about the look of the vendors a constant reference people have for the look of the characters in the marvel vendors trailers is that they look like part of. The They look like party city had mentors of Party. Like cheap knockoffs of the like the the asylum versions of the marble vendors and Like their need mental health like I don't know the the people were under certain NATO movies and worked on the movie knockoffs airing movie knockoffs light yeah yeah. I am not messing they now. No I'm not just value confused at that this never. A. Time to get educated they're real. They may they may troll Lan, which is a knockout who the troll dreamworks trolls, and they had Dick van, Dyke, and Jarrell in. Tell you got to see Jeremy. We did you want it on the podcast even have separate viewing crazy movies. We talked about we me and my Sunday school friend from Church Lauren we watched all our in ten fifteen minutes of that movie conceiver free it was. No, it's ghoulish looking film but means creepy. Yeah. This because all the. Enemy of this. Hey, we gotta go save the land. Flailing your arms are flailing they look like they they have. A. I'm not kidding you should look at the trailer of it that the. F. These characters are animated. All Weird and it it looks off in. There's so many things I could get into into it, but this is about marble vendors. But. Make is yeah. They look like cheap knock offs of the movie characters. People come to know love and that's what people had a problem with is like, Hey, you're trying to make it look like movies via they're not. They don't look like the marvel characters in the movies what what the heck is going on here and that was something they weren't able whatever deal. That's the confusion that people had from the beginning. Are you trying to make this look like the ones we've seen on the big screen or are you nuts 'cause they kind of look like them but then weeknights? Yeah, that's the whole thing is like you're, what are you trying to do with the way? These eventers look. Member like you can tell pharmacy black male. And that point that you meet them. Like who is this person supposed to be Stark L. Yeah. It was. Kind of funny. And then you have them all voiced by beer game actors who voiced thousand characters 'cause they made a big deal about that to Tony Stark is used by north. I might know north voices every video game character ever. Okay I. was that excited live. What everybody? You've got like almost five rolls bet like he's voice so many Jerkins. Having him. Be One of the leading guys especially for marble leaves voice deadpool for a long time. So yeah, they try to make that exciting and then one of the big things they advertise when they revealed Marvel's vendors is by the way this online multiplayer game, they won't have lube boxes no lou boxes in morals vendors, and then just a couple of weeks after that presentation, but it will have micro transactions so that through people offices that whole miscommunication like, okay. Are you are you going to try to put extra monitor monetization in this game are not in the other thing is that the people are crystal dynamics they really cirque. The license for Graham Hey we got marble license. It's going to be huge at no matter white yet marble is a popular brand. But when you throw in all these things, people are sick of is like, Hey, it's a it's a live service kind of like destiny you're going to have those raids. The game is going to be split up into different parts in you're gonNA have to wait lake weeks or months for the next chapter of the game and have some more playable characters. The reason why you had such a high popularity with against an impact let's gunston impact. For example, why did that take off a meal for one Gibson? Won't be it's free and morals vendors a sixty bucks but also guest impacts puts you in those very sprawling open world like already a world that feels like it's got things going on instead of like, okay. You got this area, the next areas they'll be available in two or three months and we're all. Yeah. By the way every raid, we're going to put you in the same empty hallway fight. These same bag is over and over again, Gunston impact doesn't a puts you in this world is all these crazy creatures just a lot of hours to play through to get through all these boss fights. This does discover what the next step. would be like a you have a complete game and I think that's would is that not been successful? Don't see that you can't be successful on the idea you got to have a game ready and they do not. They basically told advertisers will be a huge game all this all these things you can do all those deep customization, all these characters there's so much going on and then you find A. Way No there isn't a lot going on all that they've advertise. It's GonNa. Happen down the road but the game that we paid sixty bucks for isn't everything it's does bits and parts of the thing that will eventually get at some point and studios the stop thinking this way I mean this isn't even the first game that flapped I mean a popular one by hours anthem by were try to make a Open, world, live service RPG and that game take so hard that they're even having to rebuild it like they shut everything down to or they're going to shut everything down and try to remake the entire game try to work things out and there some bird there some live service games were they started off with nothing and then they took two years or two or three years then they finally became a game. That they originally promised now to a big success I don't know but the take no-man's sky for example, as see if these has pull itself back around there some multiplayer online live service games that have been able to change things for the better for and real players back in. But the problem with crystal dynamics is that other they were betting on planning this for months and months on end just because it's marvel. May Marbles Guy Lada material the Mina from and the fact that from what I hear from all these reviews and all these people played a that. You barely put anything in. It's like, okay. Well, if you barely put anything in, then you're not giving players a reason to keep coming back I mean maybe it might be a successful but what do you think i? Remember. Watching, one of my. Steamer Person People he said. Like. Sonny's white or I go on. The streamer person people who is white and my I didn't say that I mean he is but that's not that wasn't even Robert Okay. So it was that it was funny because she said, like we're in the last stage of the game we but I forget which character was but maybe Hawker something just learned in new move that we're supposed to use on the boss and are like wait what why is that thing? So I. Was Kinda strange. All Yeah and slow thing about grinding, which is another thing that hey, you keep grinding for all these things in or or pay up money which they said that although micro transactions are just cut cosmetic but the whole thing about progression I heard that, yeah, the progression is very grinding. Ed's very much like destiny. The comparisons of this. This is just destiny both marvel characters and. Jesus is like I play destiny to I haven't played the virginal, but like you hate shooters. Gore I'm cooling linear confused shooting actual people when human all you are. Off. Alliens. Will they wives their families? They're not anyways. That's my. There's no Gore that's the core of it. Okay and going it's just it's trading a what if what if there's like? So. What if there is a wide and do maternal where there's no Gore, would you play that? Yeah we're seven money monitor the game to remove all the blood and the guts everything I've heard him do but I, I've just classified as something I should not play so to actually know what it is. I I I know. Who are not real people maybe. The reason why people compared to destiny is the for one like the whole raids. When I saw footage of the Game Ouseley. Okay. They're fighting robots in this area that reminds me of a place. In the first destiny is it just as empty? Yeah. Yeah, this hallway with all these robots you have to beat up La, I can see the comparisons I look at the progression where. How the skills in every some of the attachments put on the character customization, it's exactly like destiny and the whole life service elements because that was a problem I had with the original destiny when I played as they're all the Okay. This is a big sprawling world spoil ball these different things going, and then you play dusty is like now it's just kind of a first person shooter with just a wave of enemies to fight grind up for the loot that you get and do the whole thing I'll get go through these raids m. that's why from what I hear is what Marles vendors. moralizer than it does feel like a adaptation of Emma they made a big deal out of a Miss Marvel and having Mo-, Dhaka's the villain and for my here is like a part two coming soon with the Hawkeye Benchley will come here and you gotTa stop during that you've gotTa Stop Lake promising. People a full game will eventually come 'cause you're not always going to have that success for games going eventually find its player base lead two years of success there plenty of. Online Service Games that does died off because they fail the takeoff originally they and as you mentioned gushing impact, this is coming out not just before against an impact but after fall-guys after among us which came out in twenty eighteen, it is right now on those popular games out there I mean is hazy that I mean I read there was some some big streamer that started playing it, and that's how adobe scenes came out and that's how everybody got attached a among us. It's funny This small game two years ago has way more players than marbles of vendors it's. Okay. Ability and cheapness. Wold that the success ability but it's that these Games they came out completes you play follow guys you play a complete game that does have more content coming in it is alive service, but a gate you complete game from the start. You could even at a legend's debut complete gate I mean, yeah. They took a while to have the post launch dates. But when you first play the game, it was complete Mangas it is a complete game and even an impact it is a complete game and that is the biggest reason why this failed this was very incomplete and had way too that. Way, too high of itself, which is a huge issue. When you you expect, you're GonNa have a massive success just by the license that you're sharing in not from the quality of the product that you put out. So in a way, I kind of wasn't surprised with the way when after I had some concerns and now I feel like I'm glad I didn't. Drop down sixty doll- dollars because I feel like I would have wasted all that the fact that the player basis are shrinking and shrinking the question is, are they gonna be able to pull themselves back up I'm going to predict now and the reason I say that because not just of what we talked about with all these other games taken off too big success but also you got the next consuls coming out the PS five in next Lexi's. They just recently came out and said you can upgrade you can upgrade your version of marbles vendors for free. So if you got bought it on ps four xbox one, you can get it on ps live route spot series x for free and run like that. But if you didn't, the game is likely going to cost seventy dollars because the price raise Ghoneim and knowing how little condom is in this game, and you see all these other games cost seventy dollars they've got more things. Going I'm going to be like, yeah I just can't afford something that is eventually someday GonNa be the game that originally promise I don't WanNa, waste my time on that and the other marble games that are going new take more I mean he got the Miles Morales Spiderman spinoff later this year and there's probably a spider a insomniacs Spiderman two coming out San there may be some more marble games in the works but yeah I just think this game is GonNa get lost and buried. Eyeing. Open they would learn something from it. I mean 'cause technically as long as he learned from it, it's not complete. Even, though obviously their hours and hours in hers From other people but WHOA. WHOA ginning point. That's the thing you would hope that with games like anthem and and what's another one division to other US live service games tried ed themselves on Oh go Sri kind break point. That's another great example that one bombed for soft and put them in hot water besides supports the things that come out about their company later. But besides the point back to you besides ubisoft still trying trying to go with the live service games I mean they've got their own battle royale and they're trying to make a live service out of watchdogs in A. Screed I. Bet I mean you got the deal sea and all the updates, micro transactions and special editions. I mean companies are still trying to take a crack at it with this life service stuff and I. Hope people learn but I think you're only gonNA learn when you Lozada money off venue lose love a lot of goodwill and the ad to try to get back and the way you get back by listening. I'd think they're only go learn when if this game dozen spring itself backup to having a dedicated player base goes if this game gets successful in a year tear, they'll be like okay with. Them we just released their games like this. It's perfectly fine. That's why they're still I may. Maybe it's because some these other lives games eventually found their player base that's given them this thought okay. We can release a game not finished then years later will be the thing that everybody wants I. think that's a terrible mindset to go. Insurances don't by Merle vendor get an impact for free or whatever hard. Now onto the rest of it speeding things that have not been gone to well, and this one's of Oh unfortunate but level five reportedly. North American operations. Level five is a Japanese role playing a game company mostly under Sony but the reason they've had games that have been under multiple platforms but the most critical claim they've guy at least out of the most recent year was Nino Kuni which is this RPG kind of in the spirit of a Higher Miyazaki movie and it's even kind of collaborate by Studio Ghibli but it's about a little boy who go with the gets what's the way to the fantasy world of creatures and tries to find out? The first game says find out what's Gone I'm and befriends this cute little creature at the lamp. Under his nose end, the game plays kind of like Pokemon Abed because you see all these creative cute little creatures that you would either fight or try to tame and then get to be on your side along with your main care driving things to end it would just be this cute little fancy venture I laid played the demo of So I guess I'm part of the problem 'cause the reason why they ended North American release is while Nino Cudi did not take off neither the first or the sequel, which is unfortunate because I was always like I'm GonNa. Play Nina Cuny and I guess while I screwed up, they close their doors on the Americans and the pandemic I mean not to say pandemic lead to a toll. I mean the pandemic has been affecting the economy everywhere businesses everywhere and even the gaming industry even though the gaming industry out of all businesses has been able to keep itself going the most there is still an impact. Suit that record or Yeah, we'll get to him for yeah and fortunately it hit this company and they're still going budgets that all of their games from this point on will be in. Japanese Japanese release only unless if something works out in, they're able to get Western released on a game but they've ended operations in the North American division, which is really sad. There's no indication though they don't actually have There's no indication as to why a little five shutting down Japan but employees from Abbey location were given every indication that studio would be ceasing operations. Only a couple of plays remained to maintain day to day operations while level. Five focuses attention on the Japanese office another franchise, the level five has been known for this game called Yoki Watch, which eventually spun itself into an anime series and Yoki washes in Houston. Yeah Yuki. Watch is also kind of like pokemon away at both of these. Games kinda have all these like really cute creatures that you either you befriend or you Damer whatever an unfortunately again I lied played the Demo Kirti buyers wanted to play the game and it's it's sad this this ceased operations 'cause I do like level five studios they make some great. RPG's another one from the PS two eras rogue galaxy, which is this. Kind of action based. RPG. Send this sort of space western area. Were you know this typical thing? Become the chosen one but the world and the game play was so interesting and it became a great hit for at least the early was a great game in critically that a Sony just kept on releasing it on the PS on star people download, and then they came out with White, Knight Chronicles. which I thought was horrible. That was the that was a PS three RPG which did not make any whatsoever but it was a RPG were it tried to be an emo at the same time and it was the game play or the combat was so badly program to where the enemies have an advantage over you no matter what and the story was bad. The voice acting was horrendous it was. Terrible. They tried to have a sequel within they gave up on it like Yeah White Knight Chronicles Not for US and NATO. Cudi was US something great for them because it was again like an Interactive Hair Miyazaki movie like spirited away or House moving castle. kind of brought back to some of those in disturbance interactive gaming experience. So great a it did have a Netflix's movie that Netflix's movies not very good. The Games itself I thought at least from what I played and wish I'd played more of them. Hey, add sad takeoff some brilliant Japanese RPG's that don't get attention and that that's what happens. They just give up on America because I. Don't know I I. Guess The similarity is it has pokemon out there some people like, no I only want poke motto when anything like poke? Mine how. Dare you be something like model even though it's not exactly completely pokemon but has some similar things to him. Yes. That's what turn people I don't I I really don't know what the real answer is. Goes Air when the first game came out, it was raved people loved it. Okay. Mo- I thought this'll be a success I guess I guess not as much but the people who did play it said it was awesome and I liked the demo I played. Yeah. It's an rows like go I never heard of it so screw them. Not. So can't really speak to that or you contributed to lied Ida to where we were both at fault. Oil is saying that Nina Cudi Sucks I. I'm saying I don't know much about it. So there won't be any I could say. You get to the. Good who currently you that the card and the thing you seven? Hundred and twenty dollars. Attorney One hundred twenty thousand dollars on this spoke card. The rappers name is logic X. Rapper. He's he's stopped rapping a while ago, 'cause he's like. I have so much money on me. I could buy anything including rare. Fair I I'm. Not only. Fan of the music by what's Your By by. So many drugs I can just get high. anyways saddest things the only selling her on rich people. Do they buy heroin healthy? Anyway. Be I didn't really like. Don't do explicit things or listen to. So I find him loser insane that I'm just saying like if he's found is like they go I don't even more done. So I'M GONNA play Video Games all day. That's totally fine like I'm. Part. emotes. Yeah, he's he's been. He's been a great spot to where they can just drop money I. Guess. So he been on some rare pokemon cards, Road Charles Arden and right shoe and and Char- manner and all that stuff Yeah. As we said, the total price of two hundred and twenty, thousand, dollar twenty, thousand, five, hundred and seventy four dollars the auction was handled by ECOMOG auctions on October Niente twenty twenty, the final bid came in at. One hundred eighty three thousand eight, hundred, and twelve dollars before the twenty twenty percent buyers Perino was added in bringing the record as we know logic is no stranger to poke my cards in fact he recently purchased. Twenty three thousand dollars box based spots, box, which she proceeded to pull. Yep You guessed it a Holographic card although this is not the ultra rare for sedition type. Jamie. Tweeden, just opened up at twenty three K. pokey my be said box only if you packs. But look what I pulled yellow. A lot of people are broke but hey, you screw them. Let's get. Now, do what you with money it's it's fairly fine that we we don't know we did we a billion dollars. We always think about we're GONNA give all of it to charity. Are We? We don't really know. I. It's percentages like give stuff away put your what's it called retirement fund and all that kind of thing. I mean it's all percentages. That's. asking. You spend ninety five on them on pokemon cards. No, it's not Freddie. Sure. There's more money there but no no, it's fine. That's. That'd be something if you spend all your money on Pokemon card and then and then you live in a trailer or something like while at least I got this blast toys or whatever it's called. Values and Steph Rakhi have to. Toss. It's more valuable than my marriage so Young I. All I can say congratulates to him for finding rare pokemon cards for the verse addition chartered as the most expensive poking my card ever sold off the record still held by Japanese illustrator peak at your card, which was sold for two hundred, thirty, three, thousand dollars I mean it I'd say, do what? You want your money in a you feel happy that you got those carts, your file I'm like a power to you. Personally. I would not spend that much money on a POKEMON card or anything. There's like a rare addition of a Lego be someone or cable I'll. See with the leg piece I. Don't really need that I. Mean I'm just not a collector starts like I. Don't have that perspective that collectors have. It's definitely a lot a for a one item that's like. That can easily heard and be destroyed. Dog. Would be. Tease the. That he said that he didn't get to have that as a kid that's more like that jet. It's It's called rich nostalgia. Sure. Yeah. But I mean congrats to him. Dan's not something for me but there are people are dedicated. So I I have nothing against that and I mean do what you want with your money is what I'd say just Yeah. Under last thing rock band is back. This is interesting 'cause her monarchs the guys made. They went through so many changes, rock band when I came out in two thousand seven, it was a big competitor to guitar hero because for one you got a quite a few instruments it isn't just about the guitar. It's also about the drum players about the vocalists and you just got you have a full set of fake instruments to play on a playstation three. We actually sixty whatever platform you or PS two. I think they they had a ps two version of It was a neat thing when it came out and people really loved rock band and Guitar Hero back in the day, and then they're came to be appoint where. People stop getting into it. Are they stopped Butler paying for the I think what? What turn people off as having to pay for another fate guitar fate instrument controller, each new game, and it goes the when you look at rock band rock band wasn't a sixty dollar game does you have the it was bundled up with all these instruments together so I think it would be, I think rock Bam came in one hundred twenty dollars one hundred in a somewhere around hundred. But yeah, it's it's more pricier than any other game agus fell off. So in the PIAF's xbox one area just hardly heard. From these types of games and you'd think that, okay, we'll her manex being a company that built itself on Rock Band. It would be out of business considering rock band peasant or a fell down hike. But no, they've been keeping themselves going and I commend her for finding new ways to introduce people to the music rhythm games as so they had a rock band or at least they had an impact, a rhythm game that you could play on your Iowa's device and I think that kind of help them go I mean they did damn dance central or drop mix is one they. Thank DJ. Mixing. Availab- quite a few lake rhythm games that were not just about our broadband. I mean a van blitz one rock band VR although they worked on guitar. Here's also okay for some reason I for some reason I thought like. Guitar Hero in Rock Band were made by two separate companies. Now, never mind one of my saying but her marks keep itself going even when guitar hero was losing its steam and they actually have a new game coming out this year called ve user. It's an like a new rhythm game that got done on. The doesn't require instruments again, it's about DJ playing. So that'd be interesting. That's coming out in on November tenth for Nintendo switched ps four, xbox one and windows I. Mean I commend them they they keep themselves alive and kicking now they got rock band for rock band. For his actually Ori that was their last rock band game from twenty fifth team. But they're confirming that it will also be on ps five, an xbox series x with all of the music. DLC every ever you song that you've unlocked in the game at all is going to be transferred over to the PS five in Xbox version long possibly new songs. But other thing they'll be transferred is your instrument controllers. You don't have to buy another new one. You can keep your instrument controllers and they will be accessible to the new versions. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I like music. I don't think anything's. Affected Do then exactly. Why? Why why I don't think I could do it. Yeah. I might try. That was an excellent ad rock band has although it spend most the rock band not relief singing. I would play the drums. That's what I spend the most time with the drum set I would sometimes play the guitar almost never sing I would I was always dry drum or. String the beats. Reach the song but like for Okay I didn't play this game a lot. It was like only at people's like. Houses last wherever they're you know in college wherever they're staying. So I remember doing the same part endows kind of my favorite owner, the drums and I would like figure out because I I do more eardrums when I listen to music than I do guitar and. Singing but not my. was. Still it was a big, it was such a big deal that rock band was even featured in movies there that Steven Spielberg film with a shallow above called was called eagle-eye and Gel above got shot ver Bam. Yeah. Was At the end the movie we got shot to save his from exploding bomb that was gonNA destroy or kill laugh a whole. Class of people and at the end of the movie is like, Hey hey, sport why don't you try some rock band aid is brought out like a big box containing the game rock band. It's like. So you, there is a big promotional material that movie wasn't very good. and. I mean I mean show up spend a lot of time screaming a dozen alive as movies but. Find screaming well, yeah. Like transformers. Yeah you spend a lot tug. Donut word you're saying that the is happened Eagle to like. It was about the. Whole gay I like Zing I know your every move. I can see everything you're gonna do everything I tell you or else children are your son dies or something like that. It's it's a really dumb movie but anyway I don I brought that up. leaper rock band. Yeah. Those Beckham Day or they just promote the heck out of games that would be they kinda still do today. But that was that was one big ad for rock band at the end the movie today you Max's just not as big but I'm glad they're there is still alive and kitten and they got fuser coming out and just a month. So maybe this little. Spike People's interest back a rock band I I guess just that the whole thing about things going digital, it's They're people who love physical copies and playing people on physical copies but the whole industry is trying to shift itself through digital and trying to make everything virtual all that. So to have like these physical toy instruments in the house I mean there's some people like that some people. Are, like. Oh, this is too much space. It's too much work I. Don't want all that I. Think the it's I I'm kind of curious how this will turn out. I, mean if Harmar her mama is still a stable company and still making success in some ways, other games I mean there's probably hoping chance for this rock band for remastered or work mold I mean the only thing. Is We'll just have to find out I. Mean we'll you find out with user I'm I'm curious about future I my try to do that but I don't I don't know for sure. But what were the saying is that I like her monarchs as a company. They're very interesting what they try to do. So I hope things work out and That is dealmaking on say nope okay. Sound now, and as we got on the show of this, thanks for joining us today. Okay they inks am. Later, next week, I'll be talking about a game. I. Backed on word I almost pick started kick starter pedal crash. It's a little puzzle. Party. multiplayer game inspired by a few things. But I I'm playing the heck out of it. I. Will Live give my thoughts the we'll talk. against an impact, he said you were going to play it and talk about. Yeah. Yes, well, we'll hear all about next week until then of course, find her mind her Miami. M. I. O. N. E. Six on season seven. Yes you're in he you're. Slash. Win This on several platforms, pond press is on. So many podcasts. 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Episode 243: UFC Sandhagen vs Dillashaw | Ariel Helwani Breaks Silence

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Episode 243: UFC Sandhagen vs Dillashaw | Ariel Helwani Breaks Silence

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I am frigging stoked. Not stoked about the mass mandate so. That's not fun. Totally forgot one to starbucks like geez wiser way of mask on. There's a reason bread. There's a reason what's weird. This is l. a. for you what's weird is. La county has the mass mandate the rest. California does not so five. Drive two miles up the road and into ventura county. I don't have to have a mass. So if you wanna go to starbucks two miles away. You don't have to wear masks but if you drive a minute away. You have to have a mass. That's la hell yet dude. We'll see how long list last we'll see how long this lasts. Got my first set in. La in over damn about eighteen months for sets in la happened was that the have never done stand up there and we got The shows in bright on time before the mass mandate hit my show ended up midnight the mass mandate went at twelve. Oh one so Shout talaja man. Great great little venue interesting thing on saturday night in the early show. Probably ten minutes of my set in this table stands up. This makes what what are you doing going on like. Whoa whoa. Whoa gee she goes. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry this guy has dick out. I'm like wait. what so. That's a first homeboy. Decided to paul dick pee on the table next to him and he peed on a group of mexicans who did not appreciate it and beat the shit out of them and it's posted on my wall right now and it was very interesting it was. That's that's a first man and he was not a al called the whiskey. Do not do that. This kid was on meth. Or molly out assuming ton of molly maybe and just pulled his day. Count out. Think molly would do that. no. I don't know drugs. You has to be math then. He's on his girl has messed up to. They kicked them out. You know not the best security there but My big j shaab the bulldog was there. My boy i forget his name. He comes to all my shows which finished third in the strongest man contest. They jumped up and grabbed this duty though his dick was out of his pants and then when he got outside remember he peed on mexican food and He got dealt with the kicked them out. Tops came to like. I mean what he wants to do. Man i was in there for the cops met the fans afterward. There's the big my big boy My friend who comes all the shows the other cops came. I wasn't there for it but my brother was like what he wants to do. Detaining the guys incoherent dick. I mean i guess we arrest for indecent exposure. But what do you want. Do james guess. Just let him go home and then the fans they were pissed. Dude dhabi's associated. He he didn't and on clothing pissed on this Mexican girls doc. Martens at bef- emp. On shoe so bet you the pr. True the leather. It's gonna go through the pissed on these union jordan. Somewhere you'd have to fight. You'd have to fight. She was ready to and they were not small. The this dude was super high. Or whatever the hell he was doing. So shout la. Shut up to North hollywood crowd was great. Shows men chrissy de stop by fans went nuts. Chrissy crested you're there on saturday. Fridays griffin erik was great. Monster is a great time. Someone actually pointed out to me that I was actually the first person that your one of your your standups. Remember your special person to p p like at the table at the the chair pee repeating a cup because it couldn't get up for the recording. Your special the want to get up could maybe ruined your flow. Because you've seen me walking eating a cup word forgot about that okay. Crazy yeah big. J shah was out here Drop them off. Yesterday would would took my sunday. He space jam. I'm not the biggest lebron james fan for variety of reasons. I think he's very Immature on especially with certain social issues. He just an idiot when it comes out stuff. So fallen off the lebron james wagon so my son was begging me see space. Jam like dude. Al-suri space jam my space jim jordan space jam and he's like get the fuck in my face dude and so i took him to the movie theater to see the lebron james space jam and i want i went in wanting to hate it and it was very good. It was very well done. It's very very entertaining. So she for kids. When i saw two hours. Long like detainment lebron. So already. I went with a negative attitude. Could hate on them and it's well done. It's really really good. It's a good movie. Dune it's a i'll see my kid. He's five so he didn't give a shit about bugs. Bunny or daffy duck or any of that stuff but didn't need to he. He loved the movie man. And i told him because he was in hungary but then he you know he wanted candy popcorn movies so i mean he's a kid can in popcorns movie. Start your regular size candy so he wants them. Skittles sauza guy. Don't eat all these get sick if you eat. All these and i believe in lend them learn their lesson. So he's with my tony sake. He's like no papa keep seeing them halfway through and he's a guy i don't feel like fucking told you do then he just. We watched the movie so good. He forgets about it. He's all into it and then We're walking out and he's like i'm like what are you doing. He's all i'm like dude. What are you doing. I'm like let's go to the bathroom and we're going to the bathroom so and blew it up and he like whenever smells bad he just he always gags. He's on hula. Data stinks in here. Let's get out. I'm like p let's just hang tight i go. He threw up like that kid. Frankenstein from big daddy. He threw up all read rainbow skills all over the floor and all of the down for felt fine after that but she won't eat those giant bag of skittles again gotta let him learn to. I believe in lenham learn first. Ufc fights go. Here's a good fight weekend man yet. Delatour yet showtime box charl. We'll get into that. There's a split decision drawl. Which i charles winning when you talk about like most significant rounds his second and tenth rounding hurt the guy. The i really didn't hurt him Charles you know he. He lost some rounds early on there. But i would gave edged out to charlie a little bit terrible post fight speech by him. I think he was a little Dis- oriented From getting punched in the face which is understandable But that was a good fight and then in the ufc fight with Macho v- verse the moses then. Our girl should take if you saw. You can go back through on finding kin. She was also on food truck or my favorite people on the planet mutate. Look god damn fantastic for taking what five years off coming back doing the damn thing. She's in phenomenal shape Sheila great men shook phenomenal. But let's talk. About mach jeff used to a man. Because he's going to be around for a long long time. He's the next in line you know. He called out dose anjos after the fight. I think you just absolutely terrorized dose. Anjos you know. The comparisons could be could be which makes sense they're different. They're different in certain ways you know cobwebs a lot more aggressive as far as his take downs and his ground pounders tenacity on the ground. Who macelve- jeff. I think this might be controversial. I think he's a more complete fighter. I think he doesn't have the same mentality is could be. Which could is. Just you know he's could be one of one might be especially fought longer but He's definitely in compensation for pound for pound goat. But you know with mark. Have you know they came up to you have since they were ten if you watch the countdown going into this fight where he's from. Looks fantastic men. It looks like you're fucking. Senile game of thrones through. It was like his little town like so cool man. I'd love to go there. Mock cab was twenty and one and you striking's definitely better than could be was I think you. Submissions are better his ground and pound and his overall wrestling. Maybe not up to par. Could be his submissions. You know he went for bar into the second round. Which i think he would have got the finish. There's more time He goes for more submissions. He risked more submissions than khabib. Does cobija just going to break your will and beat the shoddy mock chavez more laid with submissions again at st dense aren't as good but he's getting there he definitely has that those tools he's put it together and mock chef also. This is ten fighting. Ufc so he's one ten zero. No moyes is no punk men ranked in the top fifteen and you know there was an a prayer of theon. Go in that fight. He completely dominated them I main events. I think there was nerves. There i know josh thompson. speaks just so high of muck chef disease seen him at ak. He's like do. I'm telling you this this kid the next thing so For those those of you that count pronounce his name. Just like we can for for the the longest time with macho much easier than could be malcolm murdered off or whatever the hell you want to get used to because much of is the he's gonna be the your next lightweight champ in the next two years. He's going to be the guy. how could he be. does emporia. just engage you. Right now. Portrayals oliveira i i don't know But you know it's it's i main event and there were nerves there and it took him a while to get comfortable with the. The bright lights is the main event but pretty funny. I made event the noises. He's a problem. And i'm telling you you guys gotta get used to this kid being the face of the lightweight division. It's just in the next two years tough tough for people to beat this kid. He's good in all areas his mentality. He comes from that Whatever is dagestani and background. He's a monster. You'll get his hometown. It's built on fucking rocks. Game of thrones to get in shape even as a kid. He kept stones up this amount and shit he. He's just his mentality second to none. Good luck breaking that dude. Their unbreakable two beams. On breakable marks. Giovane breakable and there's in mock of khabib does you me all these kids just like them coming in the. That's why i'm a fan of needs to down opponet because they didn't get more finishes but with market chev. He's he's a guy that goes for finishes he's going to get. You're not going to get a ton of decisions because he he goes for finishes with submissions and he has he has all those tools so get used to it man. Let's take a break from this fisticuffs. Talk because guess what this apsos brought to you by blue to blue shoe is making waves bringing more confidence in the bedroom blue. Choose a unique online service that delivers the same active ingredients as viagra. Nc alice but in tubal form y'all the fraction of the cost blue tablets. 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Oh he's lost his last one. Two three four five six his no contest with accidental. I poke rodriguez which sucks. And then he lost a year and got knocked up by common cater. Then you just got submitted in a minute. This is a b. So he's always in the top guys lost josie although So yeah he she us. So that's that's one two three four five. He's five in a row one no contest and then they reach schedule. The fighting beat up. So i'd be curious you've gives another shot even though he's a staple you know the time to cut and he's vets and he's probably has a pretty big payday having that many fights in the. Afc this see what they do with them. Losing a minute. For god's sakes but the fucking problem Who'd ofo vieira gotta done. Clearly with the submission in the third round which. I was surprised that goes past. The first i worried about his conditioning. card was alright. Alright card decent card nothing can blow here back Tor off see. Mitchell was pissed about the head but i guess controversial but the the thing is about happened during the middle of the double-leg so it's like should happen. So it's like it's like when remember Though santos complained that he got hit behind the head but he got hit behind the head. Because in the process of the punch you turned your back. So whose fault is that. This is what materials pissed about. So mitchell and actually. He's the one that caused it. He's got the guy's going in but he put his a picture perfect double-leg now i mean had in the middle of the chest and fucking ran through it i. I'm not sure what matt could be to pissed about your screaming like that's two hundred doing. He's probably sure he's worried about getting cut too. 'cause he's lost. I think five in a row now maybe six four but when no contest Groin strikes. Don't count that so. Yeah one two three four. They're not like close losses either but it's overall record in bella towards not terrible. He is less less trump's brown. They let him go so then he was first one two three four. They've lost one two three four so he's foreign foreign balladur with one no contest. They're not gonna cap. Don't especially that like you know. Even though fortune did his job and got him down. I i don't think the come off that madison. Goodwin's men roy nelson fate or start off with a bang Gabriel gonzaga he knocked out. Derek lewis in forty seconds keeps growing down chin mitterrand's careers has been pretty solid. Sean jordan at times no punk. O las brench. Let's go Philip degrees that chad congo one was terrible is some good wins kimba slice he beat fade or those pride heads. Pray hey you. I don't think the them Good cook card overall. Let me see the biltmore carton. Your boy cody law one. He's a problem. He's a monster at flyweight Juliana velasquez look great. Split the haughty denise can get it done some people think she won though so for sure. I mean split. Yeah and then. With charlie yet split drawl. I wouldn't mind that fight benadryl. I'm okay withdrawals with charlie. I don't know if it's a draw because if you look at most damage done that's second tenth round was the only time anybody who's really significantly her in that fight trousers. He couldn't get getting a rhythm early on. Them's losing early. Rounds men over the second round early on the fight pizza. Tenth round when charlie hurt yup but even his team knew something was up. Going to oth- around the what union knockout man union knocked out. So i'm sure the running back. I'm sure they will run back think. That's it for the fight game this weekend man big card this weekend well for me personally. We had t. j. dillashaw food truck. He also fights his saturday. Tj if you hadn't seen the future. i it's a fun. One out a friend like man. I wish you would talk more about. Pd's who's dealing with. That's not what i do. I i don't give a flying fuck that he's on. Pd's i don't care and you're going to get all this week leading up to it. I'm sure all the media's can ask him about it. I don't care we gotta move on from that. He served his two years spent. You wanna do. We gotta move. On was the autumn. We fought the guys. They tested all his shit. They didn't find anything. Move on you. Got to move on and for tj fighting. Cordy san corey san hagen. They know each other. They come from similar camps. I talked to all my boys. Who train cody or corey and Train with him and his coaches this morning. They're all like dude. This is a landslide for corey. Man like this it easy fight for them. What i'm like. What your future i. 's tj go dude you two year layoff mets tough to be active comeback ring. Russell real deal again fucking condu- some guys don't believe in it but dude hits real thing for a lot of guys in for tj. He goes no they. They wanted to give me you know so not ranked on top five them though was like you know supposed to get a title shot. Us was the winner of peter. Yang algebra in sterling but obviously with the illegal need. That's out the window. So i want the next best thing. That's of course hagen. He's a good matchup for me. After two years though dude. That's what i want you gone. Ma'am what did he thirty four thirty. I gotta get going this good matchup from me. We know each other. I've trained with him. Were better than he is. So i'd like to see the old gloves off and get a warm up fight but that's not what. Tj wants to do and you forget when tedo suspended you know he. Four four wins in enrollment. He's a he's a monster he's a fucking monster. You almost forgot. I don't really want pick a winner here. But i will say this coys never been outside of three rounds you. He's very dangerous on the feet. I think he definitely has a striking striking advantage over Tj when it comes to his knees and his land thin you know he's obscene. The taller fighter. I think he'll be better in the clinch. Tj has chairmanship expanse tj. Gets better as the rounds. Go on i'd say. Tj's footwork and mixing up is better. As far as transition striking to grappling is better. And i think the big thing for me. Why lean towards tj a little bit granted. This is us assuming it's vintage tj. After two year layoff if he has any hiccups or slow starting at on the first second round. But let's say tj's ready to go his mental state. He's ready to go. Ring isn't a factor for him and it's vintage. tj man cardio his wrestling for corey. Is you know cordesman taking on every single fight. Besides the frankie geogra- one because he knocked them out so fast you know. Corey doesn't have great takedown defense. His takedown offensive are those knees and threatening the nissan guys are hesitant to shoot in but He's been taken down damn near every fight. They sanyo see besides that Frontier fighting he knocked them out in twenty eight seconds. Were the fuck you was. So i do a fact and especially for a guy like tj the best way to knock that off or in the first second round is by taking a guy down and that's his advantage you know. I think corey is dangerous. His his jitsu really comes from his guard But in transitions like is dr. Now account is not so much so i think. Tj has a huge advantage when it comes to the take downs. I do not know what's going to happen this fight. I wish i could call it. I cannot call this fight. Love both guys rooting for both guys. There's something about what. Tj has gone through and him basically in the lance armstrong fucking. The usc now him being older like this is his shot even core to lose this fight. He's sticking champion one day for tj. It's gotta should get off the pot so there's a little more pressure on tj. There's a lot of pressure to be honest because he loses this one. It's tough especially in that division it's pretty pretty crammed at the top so for tj. There's a lot more on the line than cory cory. A young kid has a lot going for him. If you lose this one to get back to it but for tj not the same. So i just think you know. Tj has an advantage as far as being there in the big spotlights. But he has he such a. He has such a disadvantage. When it comes to you know take in two years off. That's a long time if we seen anything with you know especially a like conor mcgregor. There's a reason why we're not seeing vintage connor. He's you know he's not active. You gotta be active the only way to get better as fighting's by fighting and not by training so the other thing i worry about is tj. Who's an absolute training. Demon him over trained for this but he because remember. This was to fight earlier. But corrie got a cut on the top of his eyebrow there so they pushed the fight back. So we'll worry about overtraining. I don't but you know how's he gonna fi you know he's not epl anymore. It's i truly believe he only ep. Oh that for that to make one twenty five so that was a mistake clearly. So seaman was see aspirin lads on the card Who's got elkins fun. One mickey gall hasn't fought in a hot fucking second not the best card not the best card at all but that made event. That's that's all we care about. You gotta win in that chin. You know both guys both has been there. I love both guys. I think because the time off. I think corey. Can i think korea has to get it done in the first two If tj can weather the storm dragged him down get them into the deep waters. It's gonna be. Tj's fight if gun to the head and better not tj via decision. That's assuming tj doesn't have ring wrestling's ready to go. If if he's a step behind what he was he's knocked out your finished by cory. Cory is a bad. mammoth jama. He so good. Yeah i love court. he's but i love tj. I love both of them. I guy ever to bring his own goddamn food trucks with food truck. Diaries good food ossai bulls. We had Frigging green juices. Here's the thing dude. If you're not a connoisseur of green drinks like the vegetable juicing in the cold press stuff like that and you like all tea. And i drink to them and then i drank his coffee. Cold press with some. Mcat on dude. If you wanna shit your pants for the entire weekend do that do that and then you know what you do is if you really wanna make it up drink too cold press juices of kale and spinach and all that have their. Mcat cold press coffee and then also able and then when you get home eat the spiciest food you've ever had and see what happens. We call the perfect storm. It was not fun for your boy. Not fun at all shout. Tj's food truck. It was a great food truck. It's available and fm seen it. We want to get out before he does all the bullshit. Press this week and it's up and it's booming. It's monday so go watch it right now. What what you got from itchen by the way the future is on like basically all the major and media outlets right now my food truck because they're talking about the stuff that tj talked on almost all of them very rarely cover anything. Yeah competition again. I get it i guess i guess i guess i guess we're similar All right so you talked about this on fire and the kid. I don't think we talked about it here. On below the belt. Catheters on dan lebatardshow. He had a mask on which was a little cheesy. But so dan le batard was like men feel free to fire way in. This is what he put late or. Yeah just with audience seating here. Yeah you play it. It's interesting you talk to cut it off. So i i will say this. I've never personally worked with aerial ever. He's real journalists journalists. We tells dick jokes and talked about whatever fucking on talk about you know so. He's always been like the company guy. He's a he's a soup guy. He's a real journalist. He's probably the best journalists we have in the game. He's the close thing. We have the stephen smith right. You don't have those opinions. But he as far as straight journalism. He's he's the guy he's kind of the the standard which god bless him. He's worked his ass loss for the only thing i've heard about ariel. I've heard it from a million people does not play well with others. Anybody i know who's ever worked with him does not have nice. Nice things to say anybody. I've ever talked to in space. Says do not work with him now. I never judge a book by its cover. I'm sure people have had their issues with them. I've never worked with them. Nor would i have no reason to. He's journalists not what i do But i've never had any issues with them. But any. But i know people that i consider friends people in that. Mma journalists space say. He's an absolute nightmare now. Just because i listen to you. Lou thomas and stuff too and i just he just gets angry does we didn't go into detail but luke astana blue cannot stand that funny people can't again. You have issues. A lot of people i i. I go based off my experience. I've you know again. I've never worked site. I don't have anything. I don't i don't have an opinion on it. I don't know. I from what i get a job but anybody knows ever worked with a guy like remember when he went through the foxing endanger banham. No sound no. No-one stuck up for him. When when none of your peers stick free. That's a bad sign but again i don't know might be awesome. Never know arlene arlington. She wasn't wearing this fucking mass dana. White run you out of espn. So i can't answer that question with yesterday. No but i will explain it like this from the moment. It was made public that i was joining. Espn unbeknownst me. On my life on my kids live. I didn't know when i was hired by espn. I didn't know that they were in talks with the. Ufc idea at the time that really had like one mma guy on the staff. I enjoy the sport is growing conor. Mcgregor they wanna beef up the coverage. I had no idea about the other stuff. And then if you were calling you could go back and look. Initially they sign them to a ten cardio. Espn fuss only. And then i was like all right. They're not the sole exclusive broadcast partner. I could live with that and then it became the whole thing and then i started to get nervous. So from the moment It was made public in mid-may that i was going to espn. And at that time. That i had already been out that They signed this deal with pindi. Ufc did dana way. Tried to get me ninety to make. It's my first day I mean he he. He raised hell to try to get to stop me. My first day was june fifteen. Tried to stop me to get to the first day now To the credit of a lot of the executives there they all said no all had my bag they gave me shows. They gave me opportunities. But for the next three years It was you know one roadblock after the next who was one issue after the next it was all kinds of stuff. I'll tell you i've never. I've never even shared the story when i would be at events in everyone And let's say it's the wayans right and There's a desk there. And i'm doing something. Beforehand but dana white is coming as a guest in thirty minutes or something. I would have to be escorted out of the venue. Because per his request i couldn't be in his vicinity or his line of sight. So here i am on the set of a company that i worked for and security the nicest people in the world who were embarrassed that they had to do this would tell me. I'm sorry are we have to walk you out. You know how that make someone feel. We have to watch you out of the venue because dana white doesn't want you in his line of sight. I said i'll sit right over there. I won't even look at them. I'll look at my phone. What are what are we doing here. 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Only know what's what's the brett akimoto. Komodo let me just play this real quick short. i you know fired me or didn't extend any contract they did. of course. it wasn't what i was hoping for. And you come up with your own pippa theory as to why. They extended the offer the big ended. I think i'm worth a lot more than they offered and I'm out. I'm out the proven and i'll just add like you know the pettiness knows no bounds. The real estate as they say in las vegas. I here's pretty good. These days for aerial halawani. And i'll talk to myself in person. It's rent-free because what they did on saturday. The two shows that i had in dc. That i helped build that. I was the one who was promoting more than anyone. Anyone i mean all day incessantly. I never got a single plug in my three years. They're a single plug on any type of broadcast. Any type of broadcast for three. Years is law. I stopped counting at the seven plug on saturday for their to new shows. And i loved these shoes. I will surely car for those guys. They're the most loyal friends but the pettiness to try to raise. Those shows me as petty. Now i'm out to china. Put me down. Because now i'm out to try to continue to hurt me. Put robot differently. Because i'm out is laughable to me. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to continue covering the sport. Continue doing the right way and the fairway and they could bring their parade of sad sack faked journalists their events all day long to do whatever they want to do and You know bow down to them. All just fine with the people that i'm working for. Vox ringer spotify. Substance bts. I'll be fun. Yeah it's an upset dude One plug when he was their entire time at three years and they never promoted his shows. But now they're popping the but also you know you made this betty line papa like. Why does dana in that like you talked about that. Why why was he upset about. Well if we go back remember the brock leser thing. They told you not to release it. Did you a solid. You're all the credentials all that stuff and they said nobody releases before. We want to be the first ser company. That's the rules. You broke the rules dude. That's why he's upset whose father that. Not data's fault scenario mistake again areas really good as job. He's gonna be fine man. He's really really good. Yeah sounds like he's pretty upset. That's the most of cinema upset on any so most emotion. I've seen out of the guy. I thought he was a robot. I thought i thought he was anime robot. He does cry like not all the time but he. He had some ups where he cried. But this is like the actual fierce on pissed off kind of aerial newsy. Espn just keeps beating the drum. They don't get a fine clocked. It works with these big companies man. But he's going to be fine. He's he figured out those. I'll give credit those other shows I tried. I tried to my goddess mad. One they thinking. Espn ratings are tanking. Were you mentioned would be better if they just put jail and daniel together with two guys in the top. Don't wanna hear this guy never heard of talk about mma this guy just because he doesn't have a job with a nfl nba kaz too crowded. You throw them as may sign. I'm like is this guy. Talking about fucking hummer. That's all they know to it. It's so weird dude. It is a word. Yeah it's not gonna work out those shows going to last another month or two and then we get ratings micah shit. This isn't working and then take your advice. Put dc and chill together. Yes that's what's going to happen art speaking of dan. I'll actually play this free to play. Played a lot of us. Your but i'll tell you. Paul yeah answered on here. No he just talked about on. Honey on his podcast. Cold cold cold called day. Jackie chan that'd be the day of the ufc fight. Guess we call called me. Sit here my and name pop up. My phone would say my use. It would say jackie chan. Yeah john bill clinton nope they white. So we're all solid guests. They don't name pops up on my phone. They know white. I co what the scenario lebanon reading breakfast. This is weird. Why don't even have his contact like that. In your fall like dana white. Yes how did you get his number. We were in a group chat with a bunch of people. We'd bet on like a like a horse derby kentucky. Yeah we bet on that he was in it. So i put him in contacting. Call me in a group. Yeah why i hear about these type pretty decent one so here does he say what he's talked about eventually after like fast forward okay. Jake's pissed him off. Jake ongoing feud. That's what i'm also come up publicly and said i love dan away like i just loved the in always have always will. He's a ruthless businessman. He's he's he's the head honcho and i beat for them but i'm not sure how he feels about me. Because by default my relationship with my brother will always take precedence. But if i could be cooler someone calls me because hey man this logan i'm gonna give us up data so the seats got tickets right and yeah he goes so i. I got better sees for you and what's called billionaires row. He's he's like You have a much better experience. whatever. I'm flabbergasted and honored right like data woodson comedy need is fantastic and i psych. Brother basically tells me he's got good seats for me a better experience. Whatever am honored i say. Thanks dana. hangup jake's like yeah. I was weird and it gave me really good seats. Who else was intersection banks. I was a little upset. Banks start the next day. Adriana lima banks thanks thanks to face banks. who's that okay. Awesome video games. There's a lot of big talkers. Shit you. I've never seen someone them beautiful in my life like these these the diamond top top tier models have. Were you look at them. You like your house as possible from this planet. Yeah she got a man's right sitting next. I think tanks is our man shift basically. He's game tickets to billionaires row. Which is like this really awesome section. So yeah it's cool. it's cool. Yeah i mean. I don't think he's due for jake. Paul but i think jake paul is doing the lord's work on data out yeah. I think it's fantastic. That's why it's a little interesting because yeah jake. Paul is going hard on so dana. A businessman like it's good for logan is better for the ufc. If logos row and jake tier and who. Who's the talker who got shipped for saying hi do Trump she busy. I cancelled and then she you know she made a joke. She's like it's three and a half months journalism squirt. Lsu really paid off. It was just a prank upset. They're like i've been in school for seven years. I don't get these opportunities. this is bullshit. And she's like oh shit guys thought this shit come out like this was fake you. A lot of people were pissed. I don't know why i mean. A lot of journalists were pissed. I mean if you had it you'd be there. She's super famous. So i mean it's going to be non journalist. She was even there for had nothing. You'll see come out. We did not hire this girl. There's nothing to do with us. Okay this is the bet. That jake paul and timed. We'll be took and this was the press conference on one was lasts. You boys were there. How was it. It looked awkward on. Tv like the big robot and shit so it was a lot of excitement. Logan was there. He was making a lot of fun with it. Jake was i was. He was stuttering. Lot town really looked like he was calm. Beats mass. yeah yeah if would lead shows up right frame of mind could be a tough night for jake. I just felt like he especially for this bet. He didn't look good. Tony woodley timely. Jake paul just kind of almost like bully really bad and you see it. I didn't see it that you wanted to make a bet with him to double up the person's at something that you're still bringing up that you're interested in. He didn't wanna take that bit. I did but i won't let you can get the upper hand at the time you sit on my dad. I sounds appetizing. It is the only get that moment. Okay so so how about. This does make a new best right now. If i beat you you have to get. I love jake paul tattooed on you. But you beat me. I i love tattooed on me and you have to post on your instagram feed. You learn deal but are you confident or not hilario. Oh this guy. This guy has no fucking confidence bed dealer. No do jewish. Hang on it. Wow we go be awkward childish. Bet but yeah. That's that's their world you know and i wonder i just wonder because he said if i lose i'll get tyrone woodley tattooed on me. I love him. He will but i will spell at tyrone instead of tyron for sure. Sounds great yeah also doesn't poor saw this before but it does important actually. Finally that the father man come on but he received. I sell Donate to charity. And that's what he posted about. It gets slew maxine. Day from jake. Paul will be auctioned off soon for the good fight foundation to do something big in lafayette. That's cool. they say it's one hundred k. Do you think it's actually a hundred k. Yeah really yeah. Fits real the customized piece while those diamonds. In chad is insane. Are those paul brothers. Have so much fucking. I don't think people realize so much money. Those boys make guess nothing to them and dude It's like the people don't realize you like those boys giveaway. The some fans gave a lamborghini to holy shit lemieux to them. That's nothing nothing to and not. Boys are all about youtube right. Yeah the famous and youtube the killing it. They're just go russian. Yeah just a quick announcement financement. Valentina shaneco and lauren murphy warmer fiasco kicked off mean who come get some. You know what i'm saying. It's like who's next. Get beat up by shift. Hurry true. But i like lauren murphy. She's fucking tough girl to shift shift fucking good. Yeah great backstory former drug addict. Yep what this called for her. But we've of feel like we know what's going to happen there correct on that same week. Let's uc to sixty six. One is to sixty six would want to sixty five's august like six or seven. We're doing the fight campaign for that. We have a great lineup for that. September fourth international fight week is gonna come back number there to stop it last year because kovin so that's coming back as well who who's the main event on sixty six all your boyfriend ortega volkan sqi okay. But there's some great other fights on that to their announced one shift shaneco yet. Nicosia's that's like an robbie lawler that along the most eyeballs. By far lawler beyond there is going to get browner teigen vocal. Ski paid and tatiana. So it's good that she's on our car. You're just gone draws verse Bill maher mariah's curtis blaze rosen's drew got a great yada. Fuck yet the great card hopefully into a fight campaign for the on the road Righty and then. I'm sure you saw this popping up have social media I shouldn't say i don't have. I don't see it so is it kind of fascinating is the sixty six year old almost six year old woman who is a huge fan so she was holding a sign. I think this outside of performance institute to get a picture of habib okay. I'm gonna see from dagestan columbia too old to be wearing those shoes. It looks like bryan callen. The whom i decline. I'll be that old. It's in my dna to rock shoots. Here's it's like forced like the boys game those shoes that is just so yellow. It just it's not for you bubba. Six years old while she got her wish. Then that's a lot fucking fi. I know it makes you look rich. Oh it's the whole thing just a t. genes so w out some dope sneakers on the ship would be so fire. I would totally rock that good for her richer and she also got vip treatment at the at the fights to awesomeness billionaires row that i don't know vip and the the billionaires roles probably way nope we didn't really talk about this but so connor posted all these different pictures of his leg like with wraps on. He said he already elected hairline fractures on it. Before here's thing with all this just so you know how how it works so you know he came out and said asked the ucs dana ask dr and they they knew about they trust me. They did not know about it. There's not a chance. And they came and said they know about it when you go in before fight the before wayans i now. The winds are weird. But when i was fighting before you go. And wayne's you checked up doctor and there's a thing that says prior injuries in most fires it no to all of them otherwise you can't fight. Yeah because the commission and the afc would be on the hook if they allow you to fight if you have a if you have your fractures. They can't they be such on. They'd be so fucked. If connor through one leg kicking broke his fucking leg was like i told you guys like yeah. I know we forced you to fight. They'd be so fuck it. Just he's taken a page deontay wild on how not to handle a fight loss like this isn't the way to go. Do you. just gotta own it man you gotta own it said and i let you guys know this. It's well-documented i'm such a connor fan. It's such a shame the way he's dealing with this loss. It's such a shame. It's not the way to go man. You'll respect my come on dude. Come on man. This is not the way to go just not the way to deal with. It did not know the injuries were not the recent losses fight. That was a fuck antennae round. Speaking of that ten eight this is michael. Bisbee talking about john cavanaugh. Because john cavanaugh said it was going the way they wanted and then he was going to kill them in the second round right so then bisbee. Obviously it was like what did really. This is. Being talking but terms conor mcgregor in terms of the machine. The fan base that he has in the narrative to twist the situation just like it's coach. John canova cavenaugh has said said. Oh i i so nothing that saw nothing that concern me they misspelled. That's not my lack of reading. I knew that in the second round we would get the knockout. He's nothing. I was seeing their concern. Me at all what that's true john. Connor should fire you immediately. Because that's very concerning you're on your back again. Dominated was ten eight round. That's concerned you don't want to get your ask it simple as that. And that's what was happening. The lekic was unfortunate. But as i said it gives conor mcgregor excuse or reason why the fight ended. But if that didn't happen i mean. Come on the odds of him. Turn the round in the finnish. Dust in the second when the round was wisconsin's best round. It wasn't good. It was not good performance. Agree one hundred percent with business spot now as opposed to fire. I don't go that extreme. Fire him but again we're we. I've done it before to connor until now we've all we've been in this translates connor trance because we saw come up in one of the greatest stories in sports history. And you can be a fan of connor but we gotta stop with the excuses men we have to. It's really concerned. Secto chose we want them to do. What fucking world. You're telling me before the fiery guy do. Here's what's going to happen. You can get taken down and get your show no signs of win this fight anywhere. Knock him out in the second and anybody who knows who's a connor fingers will connor usually gets done. The first round the second more fight goes on. It's not good for him. So if you're getting the ten eight round in the first round when that's your best that's usually when you're you're getting dominated in what fucking world is john fucking coming from which agree on right where we want. We're not come out say dude now year fucking up with the with fight now now. You're now you're not owning it and now you're not handling. The we got used to during russ is bigger factors. Seizing is like back. We worked on some stuff. We're just not there any room like a cool dude. But now it's like fuck dude sounded weird. It's not good. Yeah bisbee now. That on the knows. It's not good dude. But and this is the problem. This is the problem with connor. He surrounded by guys going dude. You had them head coach. Your head coach goes to where we want him like. If i'm kind of like what we did. He's a cab I didn't land anything. Taken down. dude in wobbled and then some judge had ten eight. Yeah i know but dude you right. We wanted like really. You're fired. do you need to move the fucking dagestan start training with them boys and get some shit under your belt man. I would seriously consider maybe changing camps. If he's if he's dead sears. If you just playing. If he's trying to control the narrative the connor camp all time very similar. Lebron james notice. Lebron james has the entire staff at espn. Unders fucking thumped. His entire step. Someone lebron loses. You never see any blame on lebron ever. It's always this guy messed up. This team member messed up. He dropped the ball. There's never any ownership from lebron james ever and that's because his