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"daniel shaw" Discussed on Analysis of Murder by Dr. Phil

Analysis of Murder by Dr. Phil

10:53 min | 6 months ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on Analysis of Murder by Dr. Phil

"Alex was dead. You heard me right. Alex the one who tried to kill third husband. Joe Did kill has been number. Four Charles was thought to have taken a shot at brandon was now himself did so now. Charles VALO IS DEAD. Tammy debacle is dead. Alex is dead and the police are no closer to finding the missing children tighly. Jj I'm not a big believer in coincidence. I'm going to admit that in the beginning but I also don't overreact to things happening in isolation I look at clusters and when you look at clusters of events happening. I'm just awfully hard to convince that. They are not in some way linked the day. After Chad's former wife Tammy debut was exhumed. Alex was a dead man. We've got bodies everywhere. He was found unresponsive by his wife. Zulema son her son is the one who called nine one one nine one one. Where is your emergency? I need an ambulance. Whiting ambulance. I have a older male. A middle aged male Breeding he'd be reading but very very high ivy breathing. He's not grieving. Okay just try to get him on his back. We can do chest compressions here. And you put your mom on the phone. He's bigger okay. Ma'am the paramedic. They're pulling up. But in the meantime we need him to get flat on his back and we need to give him chest compressions OK. Her said stayed on the phone with nine one one. You can hear the. Lima in the background performing. Cpr as they waited for an ambulance to arrive they were unable to revive him and as of today his death is still under investigation so a group of people believed the rapture is coming and before long people start winding up dead or are nowhere to be found so I guess in a sense the rapturous coming for some people again this wasn't your average group of Doomsday peppers. They were extremist Chad Day. Bill was the perfect ringleader two penalties ideals. This was a guy who knew the powers of persuasion. He knew how to work a room. He knew how to get attention with his writing is well over the years. He had written several extremely niche novels. They all somehow pertain to humanity's failings and the world's inevitable end not exactly uplifting messages and the books were now they seem to be self published now armchair detectives and journalists alike. We're looking at these works more intensely now wondering if there were clues hidden in these text were they a blueprint for what was going on in his mind and sort of the plan for what he was going to execute. If you go by these books it definitely points to him. Having a pessimistic view of the world one of his most popular works is called the great gathering. It's a futuristic tale in which a man and his family live in a world that is growing increasingly wicked another one of his series called. The Times of turmoil describes the world coming to catastrophic end with natural disasters and poverty. This is interesting to note. He writes that certain members of the LDS church will be chosen to survive and will gather in holy refuge. Do these writings provide clues as to where Chad and Laurie had gone? Did any of this potentially explained his master plan as it turns out not everyone in Chad's circle agrees with his views in the wake of tighly. Jj's disappearance his own brother Matt came forward and publicly pleaded for his brother to cooperate with authorities. Here's some of what he had to say Chad Day. Bill is my oldest brother. I have not seen nor directly spoken to Chad. Since Tammy's memorial here in Rexburg on October twenty third twenty nineteen since that time. I have text Chad twice. What's when I heard from a neighbor of his quick marriage? Laurie Valo expressing to him. My shock and dismay at this news. Second just recently pleading with Chad to cooperate with authorities and reveal the whereabouts of his new step children. I have not been close to Chad since childhood. My immediate family has had little association with Chad. The last many years due to our concerns with his religious claims and particular books he had chosen to publish including his own. It is our hope and prayer that. Jj entirely safe. We want for the truth to be found. What ever that truth turns out to be. I plead again for Chad to come forward and cooperate with the investigation so that this very difficult situation might be resolved interesting that his brother makes it clear that he has distanced himself. They haven't been close since childhood because he does not agree with Chad's ideology. You know so much has been made of Laurie staying silent because of course. She's the mother of these children but by all accounts Chad's puppeteer. What is it about this guy that gets people transfixed when you find? An individual leader has a really strong following a following. That does not question their leader. They are almost always charismatic. In some way now Chad. Laurie both started out with the Church of Latter Day saints but this prophecy in food is a subset of believes that is not at all practice by most members of the Mormon Church. It's one thing if Chad wants to talk about the end of the world and preparing where potential harm comes into play is if he's influencing people and taking them away from their lives in order to preach his word because this now becomes in competition with the church. The Mormon church is very family oriented and to set up some kind of a group that demands allegiance is definitely contrary to the teaching of the church. Another current case in the media that speaks to this is the alleged sex cult nexium which was founded and run by a man named Keith regnery. Now I'm not saying that what Chad Laurie are involved in is a cult. But I'm saying what these two seem to have in. Common is charismatic leader. That expects allegiance. Now somehow. This nerdy looking bespectacled man allegedly enticed women interviewing him as god-like figure and did his sexual bidding devoting their lives and money to him and in June a jury convicted keys on all counts including sex trafficking. Now as I said we can't say for sure exactly what Chad has been doing with this group or encouraging its members to do but according to those who knew Laurie and her niece until they met him they had never behaved. In the way she's currently behaving they would never have predicted that she would have two children disappear and not speak about it. You look at these people like the next team leader keys. And other extreme cases like Jim Jones or even Charles Manson. These guys have two major traits charisma and something called traumatic narcissism many if not all cut leaders are narcissistic but this concept of traumatizing narcissist as described by expert. Daniel Shaw Explores how a narcissist wheels his power over others and causes trauma key. Signs are a definite imbalance of power. There seems to be an exaggerated. Need for control and authority. That's why there is a complete intolerance for being questioned and this need to keep people close to you and away from others creates isolation and as I have always said. Isolation is the number one tool of the abuser. These types of leaders often set up a hierarchy with their underlings so that they can have more people espoused their beliefs and bring more people into the group. These are inner circle recruiters..

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on Female Criminals

Female Criminals

11:06 min | 9 months ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on Female Criminals

"A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases uses of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work and most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination? Psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair you're defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification edification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force is behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators hippie later use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining a victim's perception of reality through gas sliding so who manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to the scheme Dr? Harriet breaker identified the most common traits victims of relation possess among them are an eagerness to please low. Self reliance I desire to earn acceptance of blurry we sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen eighteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized its followers and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding fitting. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family were the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string. A brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty Jeanine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause an exchange Charleston over a few family members is to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey so he suggested rested she go along to help persuade Henman but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members. Arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring the Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis this Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held a drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless Eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied when he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner. And Susan Atkins begins held. Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd he'd go to? The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before. I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside site information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses seem tactics. Family members looked to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God. Odd Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand. In the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote political piggy and and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then. The group left taking head. Men's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick start. Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing link philosophy of peace and love in this next clip. From cults we examine. What are the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies? The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like enlightenment and free love to bind his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Has Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems subjugation as a cult leader Baker had developed a codependent relationship chip with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have has god like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being. With the memory of total dependency cult leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that life depends on pleasing the cult leader and quote and just as as much as the source family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he e and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March of one thousand nine hundred seventy three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly sadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother house. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new believe constantly with an ever expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers the pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Here's eventually they're number surged over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's Chris Life but for others. It was shocking. WAKEUP call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every whim. But what happens when a criminal delude themselves. US into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there victim coming up. We discussed discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation.

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on Crimes of Passion

Crimes of Passion

09:57 min | 9 months ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on Crimes of Passion

"A list of episodes that we used. We'll be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive of course and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses is aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage wjr cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force behind criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over for their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim victim to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gas lighting. So who manipulators target. How do they select the right white person to fall PREY TO THE SCHEME DR? Harriet breaker identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today we'll walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with the a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cope leader Charles Manson radicalized its follow worse worse and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles House learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased at thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs six were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund. The families families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly clearly attracted to Manson family member. Eligible Bailey. So he suggested she go along to help persuade men but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent she later said she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's Henman apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer. Taylor up at gunpoint while the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment mint. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money. Any while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he'd go to. The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before four. Continue with Bobby Psychology. cleese note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise above all Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses same tactics family members. Look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he was the reincarnation carnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word word bobby readily obeyed. He stabbed Henman than dipped his hand in the dying. Man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote political piggy and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group black taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering bring the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people people all in a bid to kick start. Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals medals of the Hippie era instead. They capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace and love in this next clip from colts. We examine Zaman one of the most iconic psychedelic colts. One thousand nine hundred seventy s the source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. I was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation education as a cult leader Baker had developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have has god. I'd like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the lyft fifty pens unpleasing the cult leader and quote and just as much as the source family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According waiting to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March of Nineteen seventy-three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find the second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home in the hills near the source restaurant. It was significantly -nificant smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother other house. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. Am am meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but another ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly constantly with an ever expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers the pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew.

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on Cults

Cults

09:57 min | 9 months ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on Cults

"A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics to criminals use to deceive coerce coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness Restiveness Cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing murder victim is the driving force behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey. Prey Psychologists George Simon identified many tactics manipulators used to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gas lighting. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person? PERSON TO FALL PREY TO THEIR SCHEME DR. Harriet breaker identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please these low self reliance desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety righty of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with a clip it from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized as followers and cultivated and intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding while the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the Tate Lubyanka murders in August of nineteen. sixty-nine their first victim was drug dealer. Gary Hinman hints murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal. Oh killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine Charles learned. The two men were in the midst of argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families because in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family member L.. Joe Bayly so. He suggested she go along to help. Persuade Henman but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests. That visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members. Arguing over which guns and weapons. They would bring Henman's apartment instead. Charleston family members. Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer up up at gunpoint. While the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan. Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage. In his home they continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd go to the gleese bobby was spooked? He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. cleese note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The the American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent cult influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use we use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them and Talapity. Charles Charles Manson uses same tactics. Family members looked Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation nation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote a little piggy and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating donating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group left after taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals the HIPPIE era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace and love in this next clip from cults we examined one of the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventy S. The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker. You're relied on ideas. Like enlightenment and free love to bind. His disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation installation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation. Listen as a cult leader. Baker developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency cult leaders tap app into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche. Followers are encouraged to become regressed and Infanta licensed to believe that their life depends pens. Unpleasing the culture and quote and just as much as the source family members needed over. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore your him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March one thousand nine hundred seventy three. The fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second can home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly vacantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother house else. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. Am Meditation Tation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly. Instantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers. The pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules.

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on Hostage

Hostage

03:37 min | 9 months ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on Hostage

"In this episode covering the Manson family Gary Henman's murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was in opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace. And love in this next clip. From cults we examine. What are the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies? The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom and exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency agency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's crowing ego in Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst psychoanalyst Daniel Shaw points out in his book traumatic Narcissism Relational Systems of subjugation as a cult leader. Baker had developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain the lives of their children. Children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the life depends on pleasing the cult leader and quote an in just as much as the source. Family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead ed he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. Affection in March of Nineteen seventy-three. The fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House. It's a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead into deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother. House business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment meant but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. Our he began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers followers. The pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the.

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on The Israel Hour Radio Archives

The Israel Hour Radio Archives

06:42 min | 11 months ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on The Israel Hour Radio Archives

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on 90.3 KAZU

90.3 KAZU

12:42 min | 1 year ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on 90.3 KAZU

"Dot org Sir of got two more voices I want to add to our conversation but just to continue with your story a bit what was the moment where you finally were able to kind of say to yourself I am in too deep I am in a cult was there a moment that flip that switch or was it just a a light bulb that went off over time. actually Joshua is a couple of moments that happened in a very short period of time there's a cult expert name Yang allow it to talks about how we often in abusive relationships like this is not one incident if something happens and you put that event on a shelf matter metaphorically and then something else happens you put on the shelf and eventually the shelf brakes so my shelf breaking moment was after series of things that happen that we're just not okay but couldn't quite wake me up out of the the Kool aid law as it were so the first one would be somebody asking for the deed to my home as collateral to stay on the path of growth. wait what. yeah at Lawrence Altman asked me to give me the deed to my condo in her name that she would hold as collateral to make sure I never got off the path and after you picked her up off the floor after punching in the face you said. we weren't in the same city but I was at that point supposed to be obedient to her so I said I'll get right on that. no absolutely not I learned to be a BDN to not get in trouble is what have I I've now since learned about myself I smiled and nodded and sell get right on that as I was trying to find out how to figure out how to get out that happens and then finding out through mark descente who ironically got me into Nexium and also help me get out we had a conversation where we basically compared notes about what we've seen happening in Albany where the you know proverbial mother ship was located and I don't live there so I've missed a lot of these things and and market just left he shared with me what he knew and I shared with you what I nailed together we put we put the pieces together to form the puzzle of what is now known as the. quote unquote sex quote SX called it's that the media has been calling Nexium which was not my experience but is obviously what's been happening the whole time behind the scenes and once we figure that out and I I realize that Keith was not who he said he was in fact that he was a sociopath narcissist a con man a sex addict all these things came together all at the same time and. in addition with looking at the scar on my body and realizing it was not a symbol for the elements as I've been told but actually his initials and a monogram and that was definitely my massive aha. WTF I have to get out of this thing immediately your Skaro as I understand it was from a brand that you got it was it on your lower back. I wish it was on my lower back no it is MI pelvic region in under my bikini line. and I I'm hope what was at the moment. that was definitely that was definitely the the final moment let's put it that way there was many moments leading up to it and recognizing that Keith had purposely lied to me and gotten his hands women Lauren to put this the symbol on my body and betrayed betrayed me in the worst way possible was for sure the moment I'm sure before we bring our other guests I'm sure there are some people who listen to your story and think this is a the intelligent articulate woman so what the hell like how does this get to the point where you are even contemplating sitting down with somebody and letting them put a hot brand on your skin for anything and listen exactly know that listen I I know that there are some fraternities who do branding I know that there are some Kinks first you do branding so I'm not I get I get walk you walk you know I'm not gonna yuck your yum but at this point. wasn't there an alarm bell that went to you this is offering crazy. absolutely but keep in mind what I learned at the very beginning if I feel uncomfortable and my alarm bells are going off that means I'm doing it right that's part of the indoctrination and understand that this branding happened twelve years later a from my first five days of twelve years of indoctrination I think everyone well they may not understand cults or how someone somebody Collette branding happened to them everyone knows the metaphor of the frog in the water if you put up about the fraud in boiling water jumps out if you heat it up slowly they died because they don't they don't feel the heat rising and it's the same thing for people in calls the ask is slow it's a slow burn if I join my five day after meeting mark and they said we put Keith remarries initials on your crotch. of course it would have been like are you crazy there's no way it doesn't happen like that happens over time and the commitment that I had made to everyone in the community and the the agreement that I would not. turn away if I was uncomfortable only escalated so the branding was presented to me as a tattoo it was presented as a bonding ceremony with my sorority sisters like you said it's not a big deal for Turner is B. omega we brand each other in this you know. whatever so I was going along with it under certain pretense the main thing now that what I believed was Kerr was that we're gonna get a tattoo and of course it wasn't a tattoo is a brand and at that point I couldn't leave because they had this collateral which state also extracted for me under false pretenses which was being used against me as a gun to the head if you don't do this this will be released. like black serial black they were blackmailing me yes and that was the basis of the investigation and that case which of course of course you now know Keith was convicted on all seven charges we'll talk more about the case in just a minute I really first of all I really appreciate you being willing to tell the story I know that it's painful and I know you've written a book about it but that doesn't make it any less painful or ignominious and I want to bring in a few more voices who can add some context to this kind of incredible but not unique story and that that'll help us kind of get a little bit under the surface about how other kinds of cults work yagna law which is a professor emeritus of sociology at cal state Chico who specializes in cults coercion and social control she's the author of more than a half dozen books her latest is called escaping utopia press allow much welcome to the program. thank you it's an honor to be here also joining us is Daniel Shaw a psychoanalyst who works often with former cult members and their families including several former members of Nexium Dan glad to have you with us thank you glad to be here professor Lawes can we just start with a clear definition of what a cult is I've heard everyone I've heard people describe everything from being a trump supporter to being in cross fit as a cult it's a term we kind of throw around too much how do you define a cult. well for me I see a cold as a group or a social movement that has an on foot authoritarian charismatic leader of who demands all loyalty and devotion a second later there has to be some type of indoctrination program that requires people to change and thirdly there is generally used some type of exploitation either financially sexually physically I think those are the three hallmark features. do you find a pressure the cult's tend to have some kind of a religious or spiritual banter do they really run the gamut. they absolutely run the gamut I think one of the myths is that all cults are religious and and that's not at all true and and we can see that in this example of Nexium the cult that Serra was and I mean it was a supposedly some type of self help program so cut cults absolutely run the gamut and today more than ever they are kind of implanted in the professional world and the business world which has sort of mainstream them and make them harder to recognize. Dan are cults illegal I mean how and when does the law get involved. well you have to commit a crime. and knows that most of the cases that have been that that I'm familiar with there isn't an actual crime that can be brought to trial or even if there is the person the victim is so frightened and ashamed that they don't want to take legal action also many calls have a tremendous war chest and the minute you want to try to take any kind of action you'll be sued out of existence I I just want to acknowledge Serra than in an unusually brave called survivor because most and I am one myself but most told survivors will not go public in the way that Serra has and others from Nexium have so that calls are rarely taken to task the way Nexium has been this is in large part due to your efforts there are so those to you then I'd love to know more about some of the commonalities you fear among your clients let me play a quick voicemail from one of our listeners on the east coast here's what Betsy left in our inbox my name is Betsy and I'm calling from Kensington Maryland my sister joined a Lyndon larouche political cult in nineteen seventy one she later married another member and moved to Leesburg when one wrist yet my parents didn't want to try to stay in contact but even forty eight years later it's painful there's nothing we can talk about it's all a conspiracy and they know all the real stories I lost my sister when she joined she was in this smart kind funny and gifted all of that talent has been wasted along with a lot of money what call to do is convince a vulnerable that the world is broken and only they have the key to success. make you feel good about your role while tearing you down they control the narrative keep their followers off balance create a false sense of emergency and an us against them environment Betsy thank you very much for sharing your story with us Dan any common bonds you hear among your clients stories maybe part of Betsy story sounds familiar. it's all very familiar the common bond. clean is that people who get involved in these kinds of communities are eager to make some kind of more meaningful contribution is Serra said earlier they are creative people there people who feel their ambitions are and aren't being fulfilled as much as they could be or that their idealism isn't being fulfilled as much as they could be and so these communities offer sort of what looks like a very tangible way of developing your own talents and abilities to use. good that's one of the most common things I think also people are vulnerable when they are exposed to calls very often these are times of transition in people's lives perhaps they're feeling frustrated disappointed scared anxious I think the user experience is common to most human beings and if and such a time in your life you you happen to be invited to a program that Serra was or you stumble upon a pamphlet somewhere and you say that looks interesting. you might you might find yourself getting recruited just because you accidentally fell into something at the right or maybe the wrong moment we're speaking the psychoanalyst Dan Shaw the author of traumatic narcissism professor emeritus John allowance of cal state Chico the author of escaping utopia answer Edmundson author of scarred how escaped Nexium the cult that bound my life I'm Joshua Johnson and you're listening to one day. press allow it's my want to play another message from a listener that gets to the kinds of people that cults target here's what Rachel left us using our app one a vox pop when.

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on KOMO

KOMO

02:22 min | 1 year ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on KOMO

"Declined to the top about ever by. I saw myself as a good climber and saw him as somebody that pushed the envelopes that. I couldn't push. That's climber. Daniel Shaw who told cakes Hawaii of Spokane Ross Kelly lived in die doing what he loved state lawmakers. Moving to ease restrictions on certain dog breeds a lot of cities in our state have banned. Details from komo's calling Johnson. Rules wouldn't blow. Doc breed bands entirely, but would require exceptions for owners who can prove their pets are well behaved a lot of local jurisdictions of band dogs pit bulls and rottweilers these new rules won't touch the bands. But a pet owner could complete the American kennel club's canine good citizen program. And then the dog would be allowed democratic Senator guy Palumbo test is extremely stringent if a dog even curls their lip or even dares to show their teeth during that test they fail. So to pass this test. You truly have to be a good dog. It's not the breed that matters. It's the training that matters a dog who passed the test would be cleared for two years, and they would have to retest to prove. They are still not dangerous. The proposal heads to governor Inslee for a signature now. Carleen Johnson, KOMO new numbers show the Seattle area filling up new apartments faster than any other spot in the country. And it may not be a good sign for tenants hoping to see rents fall analysts suggest it's a sign that housing is catching up with the area's construction. Boom. These Seattle times reports. Most of the renters are focused on the city's central area, which includes south lake union. And I he'll while Bellevue and Redmond are also quickly filling apartments one study shows about eighty percent of all new units are studios and one bedrooms, the most in the country among major cities, providence regional medical center in Everett soon breaking ground on a new psychiatric department administrators say the Colby campus facility will help people who suffer from physical and mental health issues at the same time. The Everett herald reports it would have twenty four beds and would ease the workload on other departments. Constructions expected to begin next year with the goal of opening at twenty twenty one right now in Olympia, lawmakers are trying to figure out how the state could fund to new Washington state ferries in June, the fleet will drop down to twenty two vessels. Komo's Garrett cosseted says this comes as ridership is soaring Hayek is pushing passengers through the waters of Puget Sound for more than fifty years in June. She'll retires the fleet's relief vessel leading just twenty two ferry boats to transport more than twenty five million people through. Through the system annually..

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on Cults

Cults

03:29 min | 2 years ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on Cults

"Aaron prophet writes that despite this positive turn of events, her mother nevertheless wanted to call forth judgments on those responsible for the verdict. She. She put her hands to her temples closed her eyes and asked God as Illo hime, angels and ascended masters to witness her actions. She wanted revenge against those who had wronged her psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw writes about narcissists, desires for revenge in his paper, the relational system of the traumatizing narcissist Shaw writes, quote, it is crucial for the narcissist to keep the destabilizing shame of these repudiated aspects of self from being released into consciousness and quote. In other words, narcissists cannot base any sort of criticism about themselves. So they lash out in the fall of nineteen Eighty-six. Elizabeth profit made one of her first doomsday predictions. Speaking of Saint Germain a direct quote. You have every reason to expect a first strike attack by the Soviet Union. Upon these United States, the enemy is prepared to survive a nuclear war, the United. States is not and quote, why are doomsday predictions so appealing to some in a scientific American article by daisy US neuroscientist sh- well, listen notes that some Pakalitha believers find the idea that the end is nigh to be validating their reassured to discover both that they're not alone in their beliefs and that there's actually a final known date for the apocalypse on October second nineteen eighty seven. While on another lecture tour, Elizabeth prophet got specific. She said to expect an attack within two years time before October second nineteen Eighty-nine. This sudden specific timeline caused some church members to start considering building their own shelters. In addition to the ones that church had already started constructing and then of his ATT, prophet, lucky on October third nineteen eighty seven. She predicted judgment in downfall for the money interest. It's of New York. Just one week later, the stock market had a catastrophic crash. Elizabeth's prediction looked eerily accurate, and her audiences grew larger there in profit tracked the escalating rhetoric cover mother by the summer of nineteen eighty eight at age. Forty nine Elizabeth prophet was openly talking about the literal, four horsemen of the apocalypse for annual July. Fourth speech. She gave at the church Montana's headquarters in nineteen eighty eight. There were more than four thousand people in attendance. Her speech would last for six hours. Elizabeth described the four horsemen of the apocalypse and claim to have seen them against a full moon, economic disaster war, global conflict and plague delivering her speech in front of a giant American flag Elizabeth promise that all was not lost. She told her followers to be a son, not to let darkness defeat them and encouraged. Them to take practical steps to protect themselves from the coming nuclear holocaust like building bomb shelters. Elizabeth's escalating warnings may have been due to the unlikely successes of the fire and the stock market crash. It may have been similar to an addiction or a gambler keeps chasing the high that comes from guessing something right..

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

04:17 min | 2 years ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"This gets into more recent work I've been doing with Daniel Shaw's men at at Johns Hopkins, you know, he identified a huge gap between Republican elites and what their policy agenda is and what issues Republican elites care about and rank and file Republican voters. And he identified that gap. He. Gave Republican voters exactly the positions they wanted rhetorically during the election in. So in that sense, he sort of bucked a lot of the trends we had seen increasingly polarizing politics Trump in office generally speaking, the policy agenda, you see coming out of congress, certainly what you're seeing the people that are going to supreme court now doesn't look much different from what Ted Cruz or or Jeb Bush administration would have been. I think the power at the elite level of the conservative coalition and donor networks and the Republican establishment and their agenda, particularly on economics Trump has been more than happy to just give away the store to them, give the keys of legislative power to Paul, Ryan and etcetera. To me, one of the things they're your book is about polarization. Both in theory practice among party elites and and I think this speaks to a problem we have when we talk about polarization just in general, which is that we speak about it in the singular. There is political polarization monk parties among party elites among voters among the public. There's polarization that is about ideology that is about identity. There's polarization that is positive. There was polarization that is negative negative partisanship I think does more actually to explain Donald Trump than partisans if you want to know how the Republican party consolidated, the actually isn't Donald Trump. It's Hillary Clinton, right? And I think we have trouble with this because we've not given these things really different terms. I think of Donald Trump is very much a product of polarization, but not a video logical polarization I think of him as a product of and I know these ideas bleed into each other, but the sorting of different groups and group identity and right. The polarization we have moved apart from each other in who we are. And so you know, we look across the divide and see more difference, and that can create a kind of polarization too. And it always strikes me as interesting with Donald Trump has managed to do if you just step back from the whole thing is his actual tenure in office has managed to combine the thing that turned out Republican party voters felt most strongly about with the thing that Republican party leads felt very strongly about Republican party voters felt very strongly about group identity about nationalism rhino about a collection of identities that have to do with racial and demographic and nationalistic change. And he's really held that. I mean, Trump on immigration is who he promised to be more or less Trump on trade is who he promised to be more or less Trump on talking about NFL players. Kneeling on the field is who he promised to be more or less right. But then if you go to the thing that had been the project of party elite polarize IRS, which is low taxes, overturning Roe appointing judges who might overturn Roe or who. Very skeptical about the administrative state about ObamaCare Trump has been completely on their side. So he seems to me to identified instinctually or not like what both groups actually cared about the most. Right. And so as a managed to retain a union between the two of them even wall, he's doing some things he promised each one he wouldn't do. I think that's totally right. I think you know, there are certain things Trump could have done, or people could have responded differently to that would test some of that. I mean, it's worth remembering that he did actually go out of his way during the primary to say, unorthodox things about the Republican economic agenda. So to to say, I'm the only one up here who's gonna protect Medicaid, Medicare and social security implying is going to raise taxes on hedge funders. I think it's notable that he felt compelled instinctually to lie about that stuff that one way of mobilizing..

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

As It Happens from CBC Radio

01:31 min | 2 years ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

"Her is hiding something cover up go stars to call the cover up what do you think he's covering it must have somebody something in there well the prime minister had a disastrous trip the worst part of it is he invited of convicted attempted murder at an event with him and i mean the questions from the very beginning is why why would he put out his national security adviser to brief the media like this but not tell anybody else but you know that the the he is mr john is is a civil servant is not part of the the political machinery he is been around for a long time very experienced are you suggesting that he has been coopted that somehow he was working for in fact to your point we have many civil servants who are equal positions we've had the commissioner of the rcmp who is not a politician we've had commissioner of cbs say appear none of these individuals are being co opted by the government or are they political they are civil servants and they come and they speak to parliamentary all the time the privy council office says they offered conservative party leader your party leader on under shear a briefing on the daniels issue yesterday do you dispute that our leader andrew scheer heard of that apparent offer of a briefing through the media it's it didn't happen that if that were the case of it does come to pass it the privy council office would give that briefing about daniel shaw with that satisfy you.

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on KKAT

KKAT

03:13 min | 3 years ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on KKAT

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"daniel shaw" Discussed on WCPT 820

WCPT 820

02:22 min | 3 years ago

"daniel shaw" Discussed on WCPT 820

"Reasons facts alone can overcome believes the juli back from the atlantic magazine so julie let's start with the way you you entered into your your piece here because ultimately we're talking about a a political dynamic or at least a dynamic that is playing out now rather in a rather big way on the on the national stage in terms of politics and maybe it's always been there but it's definitely seems to have grown but this this dynamic of of of the way people fall in to colts and you you write about you start your piece off with the with the guy named daniel shaw who fell into i guess a a call to the sort of had adopted a guru just jealous briefly about them yeah i mean i wouldn't they netted you know it's not really a political phenomenon i think in defending that we are thing a lot in politics but the reason i wanted to start the story with a non political manning doubt in that might seem like that but billion thing right now is used to show that that is really is like a very human behavior regardless of what the group that player talking about and and so out whether the calder not you know i think that lead not on really for me today i think he definitely if you go down dynamic like that in this group but you know got really into that group like seven medication punt her at one or both poignant life and you kind of very very helpful and no but it not even jump how he got into the group that it one here in the group why you know avid and won't and not going to be necessarily can been thing for you to ben leave the current no one he would artie and it the concert here in thing about on that they're benjamin allegations of sexual abuse against the current period spread about a third as well as you know accusation that she would have forcing her own brother out of the organization and but it but the point is bad about point he was so you buy danny woodhead deeply tied to the group in a ten poured into han back it told me that he consciously was like he is flying him but it doesn't matter.

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