20 Episode results for "Dana Schwartz"

Noble Blood - Official Trailer

Noble Blood

01:15 min | 2 years ago

Noble Blood - Official Trailer

"You probably know that Marie Antoinette never said let them eat cake but here's something she did say. I'm sorry I didn't mean to do it as she was led to. The Guillotine marie-antoinette accidentally accidentally stepped on her executioners foot. Those were her last words. The world is full of ill fated love affairs bad decisions and family drama but for monarch the personal determine the fate of nations when you're wearing a crown mistakes tend to mean blood. I'm Dana Schwartz and I'm the host of noble blood a new podcast from IHEART radio and Aaron Minke each episode focuses on the single story from the life of one of history's most fascinating royals for Marie Antoinette during her final days to the cockney butcher who had the world convinced that he might be a long missing Baronet the tragic the insane.

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Introducing: Popcorn Book Club

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01:52 min | 11 months ago

Introducing: Popcorn Book Club

"Feels like so many books these days are getting the Hollywood treatment and I am one of those people that has to read the book before I watched the movie. This is Dana Schwartz host of the brand new podcast popcorn book club I talked for of my smartest and funniest friends and starting a book club with me we read super buzzy books and talk about them every week my theory for this book is I think he's GonNa go after New York become an investment banker Mary the first model he means He. was getting an MFA and writing, and then write the book about them, and then she reads there. So. It's also like a multi sitcom like that's the premise of most jokes like two people talking about different things and they think like I thought we were talking about grocery shopping but I'm talking about how I want to have sex with you and it's like whoa and eggs means something different. Before we go into the rest of the book and we just all say our favorite ruffles, my Ruffalo is from eternal sunshine up the SPA. The Glasgow good. Yeah pillow. Yes. Yeah. It's a solid Ruffalo read the book along with us or don't know pressure. This is an English. We won't tell we're talking I. Know this much is true by wally lamb the hate you give anti Thomas. So many more awesome books all of them becoming movies and TV series then we watch and. Also judge and talk about we start with normal people by Sally Rooney. Oh. My God. If you haven't read it, you're absolutely going to love it. Irish teams in love totally irresistible of ball. You might fall in love with Connell and if you watch the TV show telling you now and is GonNa make you want to cut your own bangs. Don't do it. Trust me. It's a mistake. Listen to popcorn book club on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts.

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Saturday Special for Jul 13, 2019 - Colin speaks w/FS1 Speak For Yourself host Jason Whitlock

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

22:30 min | 2 years ago

Saturday Special for Jul 13, 2019 - Colin speaks w/FS1 Speak For Yourself host Jason Whitlock

"Hey it's R._J.. Bell posts of straight OUTTA VEGAS PODCASTS joining each and every day along with the Vegas pros who know as we give you the Vegas Perspective on the biggest sports stories of the day sports batters listen for the money sports fans listen into no more than their bodies. We deliver the Vegas Truth to you and we do it every single day. That's my personal promise. Listen to straight OUTTA VEGAS WITH R._J.. Bow On apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts the Saturday morning podcast man what a crazy from the women's World Cup for the N._B._A.. Free Agency <hes> what a crazy last couple of weeks at Ben and I'm GonNa Bring on my friend Jason Whitlock <hes> speak for yourself three to four thirty eastern F S One former offensive lineman at ball state or E._S._p._N.. Foxsports A._O._l.. Kansas City star Blah Blah Blah all right. We lock first of all. Let's start with this. It's Saturday morning. Russell Westbrook has been moved your initial reaction to Westbrook's okay see career. I was saying on my show. It kind of felt like at the end Sam Prestia was being held hostage. He just wanted to get out of a hostage situation. I think he probably feels pretty good today. It can start over yeah. I think they feel real good. If they can start over look they got fifteen first round picks. I think over the next seven years to work with and so as a general manager that's probably gotta be funny. He's probably sitting there saying look we once had harden Westbrook and Kevin Durant. I can do it again. <hes> but you know my initial thoughts collared mostly go to humor I I find this entire situation with Westbrook humorous yes and and your part of the humor I find any because you sat out there on a limb for five or six years criticizing this guy and say look. I just don't think this works. I don't think I think he's an ideal point guard. I don't think I like playing winning and you took a lot of heat. Yeah a lot of heat and there's no better feeling than this payoff that you're having right now and it's like yesterday on my show. Uh I did a commentary saying that <hes> when when they retire Westbrook's number <hes> in in okay see they need to have you do the Internet. You probably know that Marie Antoinette never said let them eat cake but here's something she did say as she was led to the Guillotine. marie-antoinette accidentally stepped on her executioners fight her final words were. I'm sorry I didn't mean to do it. I'm Dana Schwartz and I'm the host of noble blood a new podcast from iheartradio and Aaron mink each episode focuses on a single story from the life of one of history's most fascinating royds for Marie Antoinette during her final days the Baronet lost at sea might have reappeared as an Australian farm. The world is full of ill fated love affairs bad decisions and family drama but for Monir the personal determines the fate of nations and when you're wing crown mistakes tend to be deadly listening subscribe at Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts well. You know what's funny about that because. Years ago I heard this from a friend of Bill Belichick Bill Belichick's theory is if you cannot evaluate your own talent. You have no business evaluating college talent or the other thirty one teams. Bella check knows when his players players have tapped out. He's great at this. I think Sam Prestige made a mistake history tells you Jason and I've been watching this league like you. For three decades. Hyper Athletic Guards point guards that can't shoot don't win titles and they don't age well. The St Francis fell off a cliff Marbury fell off a cliff Westbrook to me. Just look at History Watch film. I never got it I did you were you ever a Westbrook San Yeah I I the the first triple double season I gave him credit and I look we used to sit on speak for yourself and I would defend Westbrook while you were tearing into him and so was was he one of my favorite every player's. Did I think he played smart. No but I didn't think you could discount the effort now know the one thing I will say cowherd in in San Prestige defense is sitting in Oklahoma City where you're not an ideal the ideal location I think it clouds your view. I think it makes you overlook some of Westbrook's wards and just say man that guy plays so hard and our fans loving and he doesn't in mind being here and and I think it just kind of cloud your view and so I again I'm not what you did not remotely easy but if someone is going to see his flaws laws it's going to be someone from a distance who can just be cold and objective and so that the defense for say impressed the the rest of us that didn't see it as early as two. We have no defense around his host of the outkick the coverage podcast join me every day as I give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports. If you're looking for a sports podcast it's smart original funny and authentic outkick the coverage clay travis the perfect podcast for you I even would recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with Clay Travis which featured long form conversations with the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen on Apple podcast or the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts. Let me say where I was wrong though this league is about finding stars and stars that get along with others Kobe was an easy but along with Casalan shack long enough to win five rings. I've been a huge Chris Paul Fan forever and it further record record pelicans clippers and rockets had their best individual seasons ever with in the regular season with Chris Paul he wins but this is something I overlooked. I heard for years. He was difficult in my takeaway. was He plays defense. He Super Smart High Basketball I._Q.. Q- It's everybody else's fault okay so he forced his way to New Orleans he forces where to the clippers and now he wants his way out of Houston at some point I did. I just miss on Chris Paul that he you gotta get along with stars the example fly with US Jason Matt Damon's good actor. He's not Meryl Streep. He's not Jack Nicholson. He's not the classically trained Jeremy Irons. What makes Matt Damon a superstar is he's a good actor who can get along with other stars very well Chris Paul like Damon Name and very good but he's not Kobe? He's not talented enough to not get along with Co Stars and I think to a large degree. I wished on Chris Paul. What do you make of him now bouncing around the League you know I it's obviously it's not? A great look for Chris Paul what I've always liked about Chris ball but I think he's in the wrong era is he. He is this generation's Isaiah Thomas but he never found his chuck Daly <hes> <hes> He never was able to me partner with coach and then just build a culture and a team around him. I think that's the issue with Chris Paul. I know that he's someone who is friends with Isaiah Thomas and I think saw himself as this generation's Isaiah Thomas but he just wasn't able to pull it off. He wasn't able to build a team in his image and I guarantee you in this era as Thomas Hamas would be seen as difficult but you know when the coach and the organization or all in with you and and and and you have a great coach that you're working with you can be a little bit difficult. Doc Look obviously Michael. Jordan was very difficult but he had things his way and he had Phil Jackson the work with and it worked out <hes> Chris Paul. I just don't think ever found the right dance partner. You talk more politics than I do in sports but I will say this. I did like as we shift gears. I like the balance we have in sports. My Wife's Vegan. I can't be Vegan because I believe it's too rigid. I tend to be kind of a moderate politically a moderate liver. I work out every day but it's thirty minutes. It's not an hour. I'm very much down. The middle try to get along with everybody. Megan REPEA- no is highly <hes>. She's a dissenter. She's a disruptor Mohammed. Ali was obviously she's not Mohammed Ali Lebron and James is I like the balanced we have in America now where Lebron's outspoken Serena's outspoken repeat knows outspoken but Mike Trout isn't brooks kept isn't Tom Brady isn't a Christian Pulisic very quiet and he's our men's soccer star so my takeaway Megan repeal is I like even I like balance so I didn't ever problem with repeat no firing shots at a fairly controversial president or real controversial president. What did what did you make re pianos emergence emergence and comments over the last three weeks to a month well? I think Regino is authentic that is house. She actually feels and I think she's super talented and so whether we want to or not we gonNA have to listen to her <hes> as it relates to sports overall. I really don't want to have a political discussion in sports. I don't think any of these guys guys are really qualified that from repeat Oh to Lebron James I think <hes> you know they're doing the best they can. They're saying what they believe but I don't think it's very informed and I wish they would leave it to others again. It's I can't beat up repeating like I did <hes> Colin Kaepernick because I just think she's far more authentic. She certainly far more talented in her sport. Having said that leaving REPEA- no out of of this I do think one thing that has been undercover D- in the world of sports because no one wants to take that heat I thought that women's soccer team made fools of themselves overall. I thought the celebrations the air against <hes> all of it was over the top and reminded me of one of those international basketball teams we had. I think we're maybe Alan. Iverson and some others were on it and I. I think they ended up winning a bronze medal or whatever but people didn't like the way they behave they didn't represent the country well and they got criticized for. I think there's a segment of America the doesn't like this U._S.. Women's soccer team because they got some toxic femininity going on there just a little too over the top two eighty. Your face too arrogant for some people it might take away is if you don't like them representing America then you can't tell me you you love trump and I don't WanNa talk too much politics but I always feel this way and I think I've told you this trump is like a controversial Howard Stern in the seventies and eighties he doesn't give you any where to land but for against him and I think that's his game implant. He's trying to strengthen his base and clean up the other side and his opinion. It's it's lost its way and I kinda think you can't tell me like trump because globally he gets a ton of pushback representing America and then tell me hate the soccer team even though they win because they land wrong for America like you either like our bravado and understand it or you don't like it and if you fall on don't like trump and don't like the U._S. World Cup team. I'm good but I think I I think it's an illustration of people's personal politics if if you if you love the women's world team hate trump or vice versa does that make any sense so why would disagree is like look if these guys want to get involved in politics in a real way have had it go go run for Congress. Go do something and then go behave like silly. Politicians do now where everything's pandering to the camera and twitter if Megan wants to be a l._l._c. she you know have added. She's only she's older than they'll see so go run for Congress or whatever it's just for me in sports I would prefer to escape the political divisiveness. I suppose what do we do. You know it's interesting about the equal pay topic <hes> obviously again. It's polarizing. There's there's a reason in fashion that the number one male model makes less than the seventy fifth best female supermodel because women drive the commerce and fashion similarly men mostly drive the commerce in sports. All Professional Leagues Have Men Ninety nine percent of sports bettors are men about seventy percent of sports viewers. Yours are men so males men generally drive the consumption of American sports from betting viewing participating Blah Blah Blah but there are these unique situations where Serena is significantly mificantly more interesting than the best American male player and clearly the United States women's team is a juggernaut in our men can't even make the World Cup so that's where I'm like then just pay him like overall. Oh I think men generally earn more money because they drive men's consumption drives the industry but I think we do have a rare situation. Do we not with the United States Women's national team where listen the numbers are huge. They outdrew in their our final. The men's World Cup game by like twenty percent just remember the men's World Cup game had no American team rugged in the tournament. Let alone the finals <hes> and so. I uh I'm not sure I don't believe they're unfairly paid. I think that they're playing single a double a baseball and their dominant. They're not in the major leagues in terms of the number. Number of women's teams around the globe competing the quality of play. There's a reason why we be Thailand. Thirteen meal 'cause just Thailand's just not that good and the competition in the World Cup just isn't nearly ah women in women's soccer just isn't nearly as intense or as competitive as men. They're having to play catch up and so I- analogize this to their argument they have in the W._N._b._a. for the W._n._B._A.. Players Oh my God we. We don't fly fly first class. Oh we don't say the best <hes> hotels and we don't and I was like you do know there was a time when that was true of Male N._B._A.. Players as they built their business and so there's a process S. and again I play football in the mid American conference. We bus to ninety percent of our games. We didn't fly and it's because the mid American conference football doesn't generate that kind of revenue or interest to justify it and so I think there's a process. There's a hill that women's sports are climbing up and women's soccer in particular. He doesn't have the same kind of history as tennis again. I don't think we had a team until nineteen eighty five <hes> we had a a a a U._S.. Men's national men's soccer team in eighteen eighty five and so again my argument is like I think they're arguing for reparations far more than they are for equal pay. They WANNA be paid because they think it's unfair that we didn't start a women's World Cup team in eighteen eighty five and we should be right where the men are who have a hundred years of history in a business that you know I think the World Cup I started in nineteen thirty nineteen thirty one. They're just the the men are just in a stronger businesses been around longer and as time goes on things are going to improve for the women and their pay will increase but men have walked worked in those shoes and and so I get and again this is where I I'm frustrated where politics introduces itself into sports because I don't think this is really about how equal pay or the or the women's soccer players being treated unfairly. I think they're just being used to further the argument that they have in politics. Women aren't paid equal for equal work and so let's let's gin up something over here in women's soccer and use it as a big example to make this big political point good point Jason Whitlock good argument on his side speak for yourself three to four thirty eastern F s one so the N._B._A.. Stuff we've got the soccer stuff we covered. Now we move into a football season college and pro. I gotta ask you one big macro question because obviously we have the big ten and a lot of conferences a connection with the F. S. One and Fox sports. Are you concerned as somebody who loves college football like I I am at the we talk about the N._B._A.. Lack of parody Bama Clemson favored again. I feel the sport is leaning too far heavily southern and I think Denver West doesn't care. I look at local T._V.. Ratings for Big Bowl Games. They're not very good. What do you make of the dominance of Alabama and Clemson? Three of the last four titles overwhelmingly favored. This year Clemson looks like with that quarterback. They're going nowhere for several years. Do you worry about the health of that sport. Yes yes but I I don't blame it on Clemson Alabama dominance I I think those things would actually be a strength. I just think we've oversaturated things with the bowl games. I think the teams. Teams play too many games and I think and I'm way out on. I'm out on the bigger limb and you were on Westbrook. I think the playoff system has been a mistake. I think college basketball was a lot stronger anger. When there was an incredible emphasis on the regular season and an incredible inference <hes> <hes> importance placed on winning your conference championship there used to be Mystique to whoever the big ten in champion was and going out and playing in the PAC twelve champion in the roles bowl that's gone everything now is focused on who can make it into this fourteen playoff deal and the regular season has been de emphasized and winning your conference? Championship has been very very very good point. I don't think you're crazy. No Mark Cuban once told me this he said everybody thinks in sports put all your games on and he goes scarcity matters. The N._F._L.'s got one game a week. He Goes College Basketball Baseball. The Games are all on so like the N._B._A.. I can watch every game every night the N._B._A.. Regular season ratings don't matter I think you I think you point out something. It's fascinating when I was a kid growing up Jason if my huskies won in the PAC twelve. I almost didn't care about the bowl game like that meant. I really if you beat U._S._C. and U._C._l._A.. As a Washington State Kid I one I felt great about that. Even if we lost the Rose Bowl well I think the whole argument at the end of the year about who's number one and I think that was actually good and I think we've been driven off a cliff that is playoffs playoffs playoffs playoffs and we gotta know who's number one and I thought I think we lost some of the uniqueness and the mystery of college football and we've given it up and we're and it doesn't seem like will ever get it back. I remember years years ago. When I first got to Kansas City and started having success our mayor was Emanuel cleaver and he's now a longtime member of Congress but I remember he brought me over to his he administered a church and brought me over one of things he told me was? Don't tell everybody everything about yourselves about yourself. Be a mystery. That's far more interesting yeah no. It's a it's a really good point. <hes> I think like you you said it's too late to bring it back. What's the old saying horses out of the Barn <hes> but I do think now they'll just expand the playoff but I I do think you're overarching point which is the regular season is really all about getting to the tournament which by the way there's one hundred and thirty division football team's only four can get in and we already know two of them so it does it does puncture a lot of the spirit of Labor Day and Cower Davis? If a tournament was the the end all be all and was going to make your sport popular wouldn't college basketball's regular season be more important than what it is because they got the best tournament and so I get when you place all that emphasis on a tournament I think you deemphasize the overwhelming majority of games that you play which are doing the regular season good stuff wedlock. I should host the show with you and I was exhausted. Good talking to you buddy. I'm Dana Schwartz and I'm the host of noble blood a new history podcast from iheartradio in Aaron Minke that focuses on the stories of some of history's most fascinating royals the murdered the murderers and everyone in between the world is.

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Best Player

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03:59 min | 1 year ago

Best Player

"Are All successful people full of crap I'm John Laura I'm an entrepreneur who went from being broke it twenty eight to a millionaire, twenty nine to having a full mental breakdown at thirty here on the John Lewis Show I'm going to explore the roller coaster of life with the world's most successful people listen to the John Lewis show starting July six on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts podcasts for more info. Go to Roett DOT COM. That's our. Dot Com. All right. Here's something we can all comment on or think about if you could be the best player in any sport. What sport would that be? We all know. The NFL is the most popular sport football. Of course. That's the most popular sport in land, but the players are mostly unseen because they wear helmets. Okay, and they get hit a lot Not Ideal, NBA players have a gig of playing basketball still involves a lot of running around. You know a lot of running so guys if you were to be the best player in any sport, what would that be? Steve. Be Basketball Down with services. You'd run around. Down running around what you WANNA DO! Damn baseball players. Get. You to every third, any Mata won't be out there for the. Junior won't be no Damn Hockey Hakima run. My Ass, offended and wall we. will be out sooner via plano dress socks one to nothing. Ninety, runner-up. Keep the damn. Get this ball this net. You can throw it in. What about you junior? Home. Basketball? The there. All okay all right. Okay, with. ME. Honest about. Sumo wrestling. Nikki Haley. Right coming up more fun more music ignorance on the Steve Harvey Morning Show! We'll be back right after this you're listening to. Morning Show. Hey Fam- Jada Pinkett Smith here. Bringing your favorite Red Table. Talk episodes to podcast I want to introduce you to of the most important women in my life. My Mom Gammy, she's really old school. I never wanted you to be in that situation like not date will at all, and then we have my daughter willow. I'm going to be like my ancestors interest do what I need to do. Listen to the Red Table, talk podcast presented by Facebook Watch and Westbrook audio on the iheartradio. APP, apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Feels like so many books days are getting the Hollywood treatments and I am one of those people that has to read the both before I watched the movie this. Is Dana Schwartz host of the brand new podcast popcorn book club by talked four of my smartest and funniest friends into starting a book club with me where we read super buzzy books and talk about them every week. He was gonNA. Get an MFA and writing, and then write the book about them, and then she reads there oh great. Before we go into the rest of the, but can we just say our favorite rough allows? My ruffalo preference is from eternal sunshine at the SPA. The glass good yeah, read the book along with us or don't know pressure. This is an English class. We won't tell we're talking normal people by Sally Rooney. I know this much is true by wally. Lamb, the hate you give by Angie Thomas, so many more awesome books. All of them becoming movies TV series. Then we watch, and also judge and talk about so join the club. Listen to popcorn book club on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Fitness Study

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10:24 min | 1 year ago

Fitness Study

"Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So, what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in? Sleeping another half hour. Thank Sweetheart. And you'll change yourself to. Never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October, seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. Guys bobby bones. I host the bobby bones show, and I'm pretty much always sleepy because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we radio show wish allies. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world that we possibly can, and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too, so wake up with a bunch of my friends. Friends on ninety eight point seven W M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever rotates you on the iheartradio APP? Hey, girl, surely strawberry, and every part of you deserves to be shown off, but if uneven underarm skin tone is holding you back, dove can help Mu dove even tone. antiperspirant helps restore underarm skin to its natural tone while providing forty eight hours, sweat and odor protection doves, unique formulas are infused with vitamin B. Three and one quarter moisturizers to help restore skin to its natural tone in just twenty one days try new dove even tone, antiperspirant and off those underarms. Pointing to a new planet fitness study women actually. Prefer the dad bod`ed over six pack. Abs All right golf. I know you welcome guys. The results of the planet fitness study suggests that women are still being driven wild by a bit of extra podge of the survey recently revealed that contrary to what you might have believed. Women do actually prefer man with a little bit of belly on them, okay? Thank you. Man. But but we that begs the question. Is this a double standard, though because. Because, do men prefer a woman with the little belly now? With the MOM BOD now. So, you don't care. Long stretch marks well. What was that Steve? Off. All the Meat Fish. Got No problem with mom bod, I don't I. Don't you know I? Don't you know especially you know? Mambo women have babies. They bodies change well. That's odd to snap all the way back. Yeah, that's good. That's good to hear because you know there's so much pressure on women on there s physical look. Send their bodies and all of that. Be So perfect, they claim it. My Wife's hairdresser was at the house. One time husband dropped him off. Real Big Guy Man I'm. Really really overweight, nice guy male liked him and his wife. His wife used to my wife's hair. And she caught a half. You know she's a stylist. She cut into hair. Little Halliburton could. And she was the house kind of quiet one day. Anna, March say a paper was wrong. She said it's in here I did. She's who. He saw my hair. He liked it. He come turn my. He like long. How Hill I like muscles! Like. But we got. Bought like muscle, but we got each other to. Deal with. Muscle. Shut it down. Yeah I thought it would be more of a double standard, because I know men are so visual. I, don't care. Is a six pack. What'd you say see what I don't care? That woman has a six pack. What is that going Miss Nice? To look at it, but you know no requirement. To that, don't add up. eight-pack! was that go. COME UP You look at you. You see him then I. Have No right. To demand about if I can't provide one. Okay now that was so. Make Damn so yeah, it really did. I mean to be some you not that those. Guys Aren't as progressive as you guys you know, don't. They can be nozzle GRISSOM, but they'll be over their bodies cell somewhere. Yeah me. Or you mess around and give some dumb woman widow six pack What what did you say Joan? Three is not that handsome, so we came. To. Do Trio. Go okay. I'll no here cute. Would a two pack okay? Normally. Wouldn't do. As. You WON'T BE OFFSHOOT WOULD A to. Elect Tomcat some at times shockingly. Taking Leaf Yeah I've caught him. L. Angles I've seen him from some different. Outlook. Of that Steve Tommy. Meal that way about himself. He believes that he he looking out the one set of as he is. Come out here and look at him through these. A lot wrong which you tom. Tom You know how much stuff got to align where you know what. You. Need, Mon you need. Some sexy on me somewhere. Okay well. Whatever? Well go here. We got we all. German another guy is secondly no, no, no, no, but he say sexy. Whereas Tom. must us to tell them. The latest the. Latest now. Because I? No, no seriously Tommy! I've always thought this about you. Really you yeah, you, have you. You have nice hands your hands. Well. Comb? Nice. Now! Yeah, but that's the. It'll make cute. Here's what was hanging is pretty toes Ezra. Six old. What is that what does that? Make. You thought man. That's all you gotTA. Cute I! Women like a man with Nice. Is He cute hell. No, he got Nice Hands Junior. She tried to give him something. Hey, lovie, ugly with. Tommy sexy caller what own Tommy is! We go. Let me see standup. Oh I'm not. Wasn't I'm up now? Okay, okay, okay. Let me let me school back. You'll see. Over. Turn around. You need a car to be safe like you like a Roy. Heeled while. Avaricious. Free Time I'm gay. You've got some. You've got night heels. My heels. All right listen. Keep the comments coming. Okay, go to Steve. Harvey FM Social Media Yeah and post your thoughts. Okay, coming up next run that prank bag right after this. You're welcome. YODA's Jamie Fox Business Kim whittling during. It is measurement Chico being now listening to the Steve Harvey Morning Show. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies? That's fifteen percent on top of GYCO could already save you? So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? I empty the dishwasher vacuum the basement and folded the sheets out of the dryer. What Oh next I'm GonNa Clean Mittens Litterbox, some Kinda Prank, show or something. That's a camera, isn't it? There's never been a better time to switch to geico saving extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. Feels like so many books. These days are getting the Hollywood treatment. And I am one of those people that has to read the book before I watched the movie. This is Dana Schwartz host of the brand new PODCAST, popcorn book club by talked four of my smartest and funniest friends into starting a book club with me where we read super buzzy books and talk about them every week. WHO's going? GonNa. Get an MFA and writing and then write the book about them, and then she reads there. Before we go into the rest of the, but can we just say our favorite Ruffalo? My Ruffalo of preference is from eternal sunshine at the SPA. The gladys good yeah, read the book along with us or don't know pressure. This is an English class. We won't tell we're talking normal people by Sally. Rooney I know this much is true by wally lamb? The hate you give by Andy Thomas, so many more awesome books, all of them becoming movies and TV series. Then we watch, and also judge and talk about so join the club. Listen to popcorn book club on the iheartradio APP on Apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Self Care Tips

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04:34 min | 1 year ago

Self Care Tips

"Did, you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So, what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in? Sleeping another half hour. Thank, Sweetheart! And you'll change yourself to. Never, been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October. Seventh limitations apply visit GEICO. Dot Com for details. Hey, FAM-, Jada Pinkett Smith, here bringing your favorite red table, talk episodes to podcast I want to introduce you to the most important women in my life. My Mom Gammy, she's really old school I never wanted you be in that situation like not date will at all, and then we have my daughter Willow I'm going to be like my ancestors interest. Do what I need to do. Listen to the Red Table. Talk podcast presented by. Facebook Watch and Westbrook audio on the iheartradio APP Apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. All Right, so Steve! There's you know no doubt that these are highly stressful time, so I gotta ask you. Are you practicing any sort of self care right now? No, you working out eating right, so care how to handle stress. Brushing up on my cuss. Ashby working relief combinations, you know how to put them together and working on inflection for so when I get back out there in the work world I'm GONNA come out with new combination, okay? So cussing has been really. The thing that I'm trying to brush up on because it's helped me deal with the stress. Okay, don't. Like a lot been practicing with my wife and she don't know it. Saying to yourself. Under my. Crazy away all. I. Come on now. While we. The move? Beyond my breath I'll. Try every chance I. Get I used different tune. Junior which you got how many you relieve your stress hearings I've been here by myself since March what I like to do with just cutting my lights at Anna. You know going into the kitchen. And opens their freezer though and stay in right in it. Freezes Myself. 'CAUSE UP TOO hot. I need somebody over here now so I stand in the freezer take is. Just. Put It on. The cool off! That's what happens. Silkair ran all right. We'll be back with more of the Steve Harvey Morning Show Right. You're listening to David Harvey Morning Show. Feels, like so many books these days are getting the Hollywood treatment and I am one of those people that has to read the book before I watched the movie. This is Dana Schwartz host of the brand new podcast popcorn book club by talked for of my smartest and funniest friends, and starting a book club with me where we read super buzzy books and talk about them every week. Was GonNA. Get an MFA and writing, and then write the book about them, and then she reads there. Before, we go into the rest of the, but can we just all say our favorite Ruffalo? My ruckle of preference is eternal sunshine at the SPA glass. Good yeah, read the book along with us or don't know pressure. This is an English class. We won't tell we're talking normal people by Sally. Rooney I know this much is true by wally lamb, the hate you give by Angie Thomas, so many more awesome books, all of them becoming movies and TV series. Then we watch, and also judge and talk about so join the club. Listen to popcorn book club on the iheartradio, APP on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Guys, it's bobby bones I host. The bobby bones show, and I'm pretty much always sleepy, because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later on my friends together we get into a room and we do a radio show. Wish you're alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world that we possibly can, and we looked through the news of the day. The Joe Care About. Your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too, so wake up with a bunch of my friends I. Ninety Eight Point Seven W, M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP.

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What should you do the night before?

Before Breakfast

06:56 min | 2 years ago

What should you do the night before?

"Hey listeners small decisions like what to drink. When you're thirsty can have big impacts honest has been on a mission for more than two decades to create and promote great tasting healthy organic beverages like juice or tea? You might have with your breakfast now. For every fair trade certified honest honest products sold the producer earns additional money that goes into a community development fund at origin the premiums fund bikes clean water schools or however the farmers choose to improve their lives visit honest tea dot com slash podcast to learn more about honest and how your small decision has a big impact. That's honest he dot com slash podcast. Welcome to before breakfast a production of iheartradio good morning. This is Laura welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is going to sound a little counterintuitive. Don't move too much of your morning getting ready routine to the night before it sounds. On smart to make lunches and outfits but in the grand context of time. I'm not sure it is over the years. I've been interviewed for many articles on shaving time off morning. Routines people have to get ready for work or school most mornings and and so being able to compress the routine sounds like a great way to save time and sleep later inevitably other experts will suggest doing things the night before prepping lunches bags breakfasts outfits whatever this is often presented as a time saving technique technique but here's the thing this doesn't save time minutes at night are just as real as minutes in the morning when you do stuff the night before you don't save time you just spread. You're getting ready over the night in the morning to in fact you'll probably spend more time getting ready because all activities have transaction costs to lay out your outfit at night requires to clothing events one to pick out the outfit at night and another in the morning. Morning to put it on whereas if you just get dressed in the morning you've only had one clothing event similarly making lunches the night before means. You've gone into the kitchen to do that. Then you'll likely go in the kitchen in the morning to to make breakfast why not combine the to if you plan to make lunches and throw something together while your eggs or cooking or your coffee is brewing. This is straightforward enough but I think there's a deeper downside to spending time getting ready the night before it often makes us feel like we have no free time or else. It pushes bedtime later. A lot of people spend time getting ready for the morning after their kids go to bed but this could be time to read or relax or do something else you like. We all like to read or relax and if you go through a whole routine of morning prep prep you'll start the reading and relaxing later in order to get enough me time to feel satisfied. You'll stay up later and then your morning. We'll start off on the wrong foot because you didn't get enough sleep or else you won't be able to get up a little bit before or your family to exercise or journal or something else you'd really like to do. Perhaps it would be better to get enough sleep and get ready in the morning when you're actually you know getting ready in the morning. Now I know that mornings can be chaotic. Longtime listeners know I have four school aged children. And so I know they can be chaotic which may be one reason people move stuff to the night before if you have to hunt for shoes the night before you go to bed late or cut until leisure time whereas if you hunt for shoes in the morning you might be late to school or work and this has more obvious is consequences but rather than moving things to the night before it might be wise to look for ways to simplify. Do you really need to make lunches. My kids buy school lunch and it works great for us. It's gotten a lot healthier and better in recent years I do your kids need to lay out their outfits. Why if they're old enough to dress themselves than this probably doesn't need to involve you? You can control what comes into the house but once it's there this can be a matter of personal expression as for your own outfits why not pare down your wardrobe to a smaller number of outfits that you know fit and our flattering then anything you pull out in the morning. We'll be an excellent choice rather than pack bags at night. Maybe you just don't ever unpack them I have. Have One person a neutral color. That always has stuff in it. My kids homework is either in their backpacks or actively being done. There is no place else to hunt for it. Their shoes and coats are also always in the mud room by simplifying the get it out the door process we by which I mean I don't have to spend my precious free time the night before getting ready for the morning. Now I'm guessing of all the episodes of before breakfast I've recorded. I'm GonNa hear from the most people about this one. I bet a lot of people swear that spending time getting ready the night before is key to a better morning or even that it saves them time so feel free to use a stop watch and let me know I'd love to hear from you. You can reach me at before breakfast podcast at iheartmedia dot com. I will be happy to do an episode on the reasons people do get ready the night before or the situations in which it might potentially save time but I also want to share what works for me. I love that I get to spend my evenings relaxing or reading and none of my kids missed the bus this year either. If you spend a lot of time at night getting ready for the morning maybe you WanNa try pairing that back a bit and see how it goes in the meantime. This is Laura. Thanks for listening and here's to making the most of our time hey everybody. I'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips your questions or anything else just connect with me on twitter facebook and instagram at before breakfast pod. That's B. E. The number four then breakfast P O d. You can also shoot me an email at before breakfast. PODCAST AT IHEARTMEDIA DOT COM that before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much I look look forward to staying in touch before breakfast is a production of iheartradio for more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts costs or wherever you listen to your favorite shows I'm Dana Schwartz and I'm the host of noble blood a new.

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The Creative Ways John Legend And Chrissy Teigen Are Entertaining Their Kids

Direct from Hollywood

03:11 min | 1 year ago

The Creative Ways John Legend And Chrissy Teigen Are Entertaining Their Kids

"Brighten your day with an ice, cold starbucks, cold brew, smooth and refreshing. It might just be the little lift you need like a cool breeze on a sun soaked afternoon. Download the starbucks to order ahead. Guys it's bobby bones. I host the bobby bones show, and I pretty much always sleepy, because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple hours later. I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we radio show share our allies. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world if he possibly can, and we look through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too, so wake up with a bunch of my friends. On Ninety eight point, seven W Z Q in Washington DC or wherever rotates you on the iheartradio APP. Direct from Hollywood so many working moms and DADS had to pull double duty during quarantine balancing, working from home fulltime with taking care of their kids fulltime as well, and that includes John Legend and Chrissy Teagan. Who are always basically super parents and incredibly creative, so it's not exactly a shock. They've dreamt of incredibly inventive ways to entertain their kids Christie's bought camping equipment, so we could camp in the backyard. We've done a fake wedding for La's stuffed animals. It's been wild times John's new album bigger. Love is out now. That's direct from Hollywood. Hey, Fem Jada, Pinkett Smith here, bringing your favorite red tape episodes to podcast I want to introduce you to two of the most important women in my life, my mom. She's really old school. I never wanted you to be in that situation like not date will at all, and then we have my daughter willow. Ancestors interest do what I need to do. Listen to the Red Table, talk podcast presented by Facebook Watch and Westbrook audio on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Feels like so many books. These days are getting the Hollywood treatments, and I am one of those people that has to read the book before I watched the movie this Dana Schwartz host of the brand new podcast popcorn book club by four of my smartest and funniest friends into starting a book club with me wherever you read super buzzy books and talk about them every week he was, he was going to get an MFA and writing, and then write the book about them, and then she reads there. Before we go into you the rest of the, but can we just all our favorite Ruffalo? My Ruffalo of preference is from trial sunshine at the SPA gladys good. Yeah pillow read the book along with us or don't know pressure. This isn't English class. We won't tell we're talking. Normal people by Sally Rooney I know this much is true by wally. Lamb. The Hey, you give by Angie Thomas so many more awesome books, all of them, becoming movies and TV series of then we watch, and also judge talk about so join the club. Listen to popcorn book club on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Anna Biller and Dana Schwartz

She Kills

37:45 min | 2 years ago

Anna Biller and Dana Schwartz

"Hi. And welcome. I'm Adrian Barboza actress author and star of two evil is the fog Creepshow swamp thing, and a lot of other delightfully scary horror projects. And this is she kills a shudder original cod cast where we sit down and discuss all of the things we love about the John ra- that has given women, some of the most iconic roles in film history, when it comes to movies, women outspend men at the Vauxhall ffice, and women have more screen time in horror films than in any other genera. It's good to know that in genre of film, historically marketed to men women can find empowerment, escape, humor, and entertainment. I've been making movies for four decades. I've made screwball comedies family dramas psychological thrillers. A best picture Academy Award winner, and I've made a slew of horror films with more to come. And you know what I love making horror films, the Goodwin's at least horror runs the emotional gamut for an actress, it's so much more fun than playing judge on law and order horror is flexible. It can be funny thought provoking, deeply sad and scary as hell. It's one of the few films genres with a little something for everyone, whether you want Oscar winning films like Rosemary's baby, and the exorcist or the sheer entertainment of b movie blood fests, like killer, clowns from outer space and zombie strippers, we love them all equally. We sat down with the hilariously brilliant Entertainment Weekly journalist Dana Schwartz. A diehard horror fan and writer director and classic film enthusiasts on a biller to talk about all the things fun. Famine fantastic about the gene row. We all adore. My name is Ana biller and. Dyma-. Filmmaker my name is Dana Schwartz. And I'm a correspondent at Entertainment Weekly to kick things off. We asked on and Dana about their first exposure to horror. I was always kind of a worst with hormone VI's where I was just scared to even get into that world. I remember my sister, watching the ring my older sister, and I made her describe the plot to me in detail because I was fascinated by it, but I didn't wanna watch it myself and that sort of translate as I got older. I would like read the Wikipedia page of horror movies obsessively, but I love this episode name because I do, remember watching Kerry as like my dad's adjusted as a family movie. He's like, latch watch Carey, and I think he forgot that the opening scene is like almost shot like a softcore porno movie where they're like young women in shower. My dad definitely was like, oh, God. I forgot what this movie was, but I wait Nakal that through, and I remember loving carry in that final reveal that moment at. The great without spoiling anything, I had never had that feeling before as a young person watching movie. It like stuck with me because such a smart movie and integrated a jump scare in such a intelligent way, but it's still totally got me. So I've been trying to chase that high ever since like, I would watch just a brilliant movie that was insightful and interesting and funny, and then could match that adrenaline rush of jump scare I think the first horror movie, I remember watching it was on television, and it was a little girl, and it was, it's called horror hotel, and is in the British name of city of the dead. And I didn't know for years and years. I never knew what the name of that movie was, I was scared the daylights out of me. It's black and white movie for nineteen sixty it is about these this, the student college student goes to this town called light water with his covenant, which is. And she gets sacrifice. And it's the most shocking thing she says Plon to engineer, she's completely innocent, and she's like literally taken underground by who did, which is who are chanting Nevil chance. And she still to this, the most, it was the scares me receipt. And then there's this, they're like these dead birds that are put on people's doors that are targets, which, and just it was so frightening. And then there's this girl, she's like the her friend, that she made in the town that avengers are death in later years later, when I saw the movie psycho real exactly the same plot structure, because the blonde engine dies in the middle. And then her it's like, in psycho her sister investigates, and this, it's her brother, who investigates with the girl that was her friend, so sibling investigates. But it's also the woman who's taking over in it. You had done it with a second woman that the second half was very weird things that came out the same year. But for years, I was like trying to house was, like, did you ever see that movie with those? Booted witches underground that stab. And nobody ever said seen it or new talking about. I think a lot, not only that, but, you know, some of the other movies, I saw as a kid like you, like I saw carry as well and Rosemary's baby. And, you know, the men and all these movies that were like, really, you know, really scary and, and really memorable, you know, they really stick with the, you know, my interest is, I'm so focused on on classic movies. And I think what I've noticed in the last few years, is that a lot of the classic movies that are really love, actually, the precursors to the modern horror films of the final girl. They're like the gothic were in the gothic thrillers that are about women's fear of men and you know, of patriarchy movies, like gas slide Rebecca or suspicion or sudden, fear, like these movies that are there's really like like somebody who's out to get them and they're fighting and they fight this. Man, and they fight this evil and they come out in the end and they're stronger. It's all about following them. And so I've recently realized that I think that the final girl figure like from movies, like HOGAN is actually maybe kind of a continuation of that of that kind of sort of, like gothic heroine. It's I'm so glad you brought up Rebecca, I just saw the news of the, the remake with Armie hammer which I love, I'm he's a perfect maximum. But I am szeswith Rebecca and was obsessed with the book, and I remember reading Rebecca, the first time my the copy I got it had, like, like red silk. You know what I mean? So like was framed like a romance novel, and then I read it not really like knowing that it was like supposed to be a good book, but not really knowing what it was, and it was like such a brilliant, horror story. And so, I think so many of my favorite hor movies, and horror books, are like insidious in that way, I have remember reading this brilliant interview with because we were she guru who wrote. Remains the day. He won the Nobel prize, and he in the interview he's like rains today supposed to be a horn novel because it is, it's that, like subtle reveal like psychological manipulation a little bit, and like the reader and the protagonist. So I love and in film and books. When the horror is like a Trojan horse, you brought up we were talking bit about Jennifer body before the podcast begins, and I do specifically, remember watching that movie and Diablo cody's dialogue is so playful. I'm going to butcher the quote. There's a, a moment where man to see free. It's character needy cyst like she sees Jennifer, like trying to attack inches. I thought you only boy you and she's like I go both ways, and it's just so the campy and funny and seemed totally directed to me at that moment. I think I was in my late teens at that time. And I had not seen very stylish Hollywood movie. That was so tongue in cheek. Cheer. Wow. Nice insult hands on Tanna getting more her stakes. You know what you are. Never a good friend, even will use you might for eliminate on my bed, and now I need your boyfriend. See at least I'm consistent so. Champ. He's a just a tick me off. Or is it because you're just really insecure? I am not insecure needy. God that joke. How could I ever be insecure? I was snow flake cre-. Yeah. Two years ago when you were socially relevant. I am still socially relevant when you didn't need laxatives to stay skinny. I going to eat your soul. You only murder I go both ways. I do think it's that sort of movie Jennifer's body among many others, where I was like, oh, movies car allowed to be fun, or movies, especially especially criticism can be really a club of people who take this world very, very seriously and take their roles as gatekeepers very seriously of what horror movie is and should be into looked like it was interesting about Jennifer spotty, when you read the criticism, initial critics reactions to it was that how many men, like, quote, it was no fun, just be before doing this. Like last week, I was just looking over some of the reviews of it, and how many people said it wasn't funny. I thought that was interesting because I feel like the humor, actually you almost maybe have to be a woman to get the humor because it's sort of lost like the, the real news of humor's kind of. Awesome. And so, like, I think a lot of the, the horror movies that are made. My man are fun for them. So the ideas like you fight like, oh, this is fun. Because there's a condition because it's from a woman's point of view. It's written by women. It was fun for I so it's like this idea that fun has to do with recognition of something real in your life, that you can recognize you know, so a lot of the male fantasy horror movies are really fun for men, because they recognize you know, dark forbidden desires for women that you're trying to repress. They make you feel monstrous and you of the monster, and you're you want to kill her, but you wanna love her anyone this, and you wanna that and you just sort of like it's real for them, you know. And it's this way that is fascinating because I was thinking earlier that so much of hor hinges on vulnerability, you know, for the audience we have to put ourselves vulnerable position. And the, the protagonist has to be a Volna Rable position because they're safe. There's no nothing interesting. If the police exist, you have to lose cell phone reception. You and so. It serves that the, the heroin is culturally, vulnerable women are when you are the second, MRs DOE. Enter your vulnerable to the whims of and fancies of your husband women, historically, especially and women of color, are the people who are socially vulnerable in that way. So it always serves to use Hort to explore that. And so it is ironic. Yeah. And so, like, you know, thinking about why women might be so drawn to where no days that could be a lot of the reason the that women are centered in horror, so much more than a lot of other shawna's. But also you're asking about the cattle is going to retain industry and this, this credibly corny but literally what happened when I was in school when I was in film school, and it wasn't sure what kind of films that I wanted to make was that. I actually was actually Laura movies essay on the on the gays, so visual push unaired cinema presented from you. Challenge to actually try to create a cinema visual pleasure for women like it didn't take just thought. Well, first of all, I don't think she's right? Because I think that the women's pictures of the forties, and fifties were very much made for women and very much presented FEMA gates. But on the other hand, I thought you know, it's true that there is so much of cinema that doesn't take that into consideration or the or the female point of view is secondary. So I took that of a challenge, and that focus, my filmmaking in the sense that it gave me like a really fit like a really important reason to be a filmmaker other than just expressing random images are ideas that were that were just personal giving a larger social goal. It made me feel like my filmmaking was about a kind of activism, and that it also made me want to try to figure out what, what what is personal. You know, the make the political personal not think about what other people are doing or what other people. Are making, but just think about who I am how I feel what things. What do I really like him? Why do I like it? And that's actually what led me down the path of realizing that these women's pictures about women in peril were really exciting to me in that led me to horrors. Well, there are very few female journalists who write about horror movies. It's still very much feels like a boys club and club that I do not feel like I'm a part of like totally with all candor. I feel like an imposter when I write about horror movies, sometimes which is insane like I've grown up watching movies. I'm a professional film critic. And yet, sometimes because when I write about hormone because I'm not sort of like in that coterie. I do feel like I'm on the outside. No way that, like my boyfriend at the time was also a film critic, and he writes about horror movies, and he knows all these people. He's like, oh, I got dinner with him last week. Like there's this intimacy as in the horror community that. I don't think exists in other film genres that I hope comes more inclusive to two women over time and gradually. We'll see I mean for me. What's interesting, his, I think that there's a goes hiking about earlier in terms of Jennifer's body. There's a there's a kind of a perception. I mean we used amend stories on the screen. So when you see a woman story on the screen, it feels wrong like feels like it's like it's like it's, it's whereas I've heard applied to my work on focused or you know, she what she's doing. You know it's badly done. And you know, I know exactly what I'm doing. And I know exactly what I'm saying, but it may not be with other people are doing and saying, but it's just that we need, you know, audiences get need to get used to more female filmmakers telling stories from a female point of view because otherwise what happens is like, you know, there's like become unconventional just through the fact of not being a man. You unconditional or or stranger weird in a way that you're not intending to be. You're trying to be true, honest to kind of an experience there. Why push back against the male critics a lot because I think it's great that they have their own opinions and their own ways of looking at cinema, but they should also be sort of a wear of the fact that, if a woman does this, she does that may not mean what they think it means from their point of view. It's not a movie made. So most people thought it was a movie, interestingly from a male point of view the love, which even though it's clearly to me from the female view. That was interesting. So, for example, a lot of men said, it was like my work amount of smile, which would mean it would be like, on male director of justifying actress, and just because they find the actress beautiful doesn't mean that, that's my point of view in creating the film. Interesting. Yeah. Especially so there's this thing in, in comedy. I think has been summed up really singly Raphael walks. Berg is the creator of Bo Jack horsemen sum this up really eloquently in a blog post where in comedy if you're telling a joke, you want it to be as clean and to the point as possible. So the joke itself is clear, like guy walks into a bar. Guy is just neutral. There's nothing about the guy where if you said, a tall man, walks into a bar, you assume than the, the punchline is going to be something about the man being tall. Where if you write, you know, a woman rocks into a bar, you would assume that the joke is going to something about her being a woman, where like that should not be the case man shouldn't be the default where. Woman added onto it is a modifier but unfortunately culturally decide it is. And that's something that I think people subconsciously don't register interns of protagonist in heroin. You're talking about the boys club. So the way that manifests in, like, when you're trying to make films, sometimes, I think a lot of it's the same thing that there's a kind of there are more female producers now. But there's still the thing where like amount will read a script and people read a scripted level. You know, it's like, does it feel right in there? Good. And I think sometimes it's really hard for mound to read a script on an have resonate with them on a level. If it's all about female experience, so he'll just think there's something wrong with scripture, it's barely written. And so that's, that's the biggest obstacle. Getting your projects made thing is not see if I wanted to write, you know, the choice to write about women, you know, I could also write about man, I could have made productive. I you know, a probably. Have these issues? It's not so much a female writer. It's, it's more that I'm, I'm telling stories that are from the set that are about women. Yeah. Like who the characters are in, you know what I mean. Yeah. Because Kathryn Bigelow, you know, she wins the award for a movie about men in war, you know. And that's not a coincidence. Yeah. I, I mean, I don't think men are afraid of the same things women are afraid of I don't think there's necessarily empathy there. And I think horror movies, all movies, but Hormuz, especially are about empathy because you need to transmit that emotion to a viewer sort of a similar thing, happens. I read an article about how obviously few how little representation there has for women and, and minorities in writing rooms in late night, comedy shows, and that's because people submit the packet blind. But if it's a room of all white men, reading the jokes jokes written from a minority or women female perspective, just might not be as fun. To those white men reading the jokes as jokes written by people who shared all of their experience it to self perpetuating audience where it's like, well, yeah, if it's all white men who is reading the packets of what they find funny. They're going to continue that, that trend of, of refilling their ranks as it were. I think screamed greens at that idea is away to diminish women from the male gaze. I think the label scream Queen, and the way they're presented always in the ripped blouse the damsel in distress even if they have that final girl moment and save the day, it's still very much narrative of women told from a male perspective of what a quote unquote heroin, looks like so I do think sort of the archetype of a scream, Queen is sort of an antiquated idea. But at the same time, and I do think these two ideas coexist, the scream, Queen is a is one of the only ways we've seen, and one of the most empowering places we've seen. Women of their own agency operate with force and intelligence and they can be sexy and powerful the same time where their narrative, and their story doesn't entirely depend on that of, of a male protagonist. So I think that idea of scream Queen is overall positive, but I hope it evolves with women at the home. I mean, you know, the screen queens is actually sort of a newer concept. It really didn't exist in the classic movies and it really was more of a ma- making fun of, you know, all the sort of sexy pretty girls in peril. But, you know, the whole women in peril thing in films. They've been really lot of really incredibly good women in peril films actresses, who play them have been really, really great like one thing, I think about is getting Joan Crawford in here. Sudden fear starting to Crawford, where she she has this younger man, who's married her for money, which is playwright and she's incredibly fierce and, and she's never needed. Anyone should never needed a man, she's ever phone, but she's getting a little older and she's feeling like you know, she does the one thing she's never had in her life. She's wealth, and reputation and beauty and brains and everything. She's just never really allowed herself to really be vulnerable. So this, you know, toll complete psychopathic actor issues rejected. Replaces flowing, the marrying him. And then she finds out he's planning to kill her with his girlfriend gory. Graham. And think about, you know, you could never call Joan Crawford. A scream Queen, she's like she never really she means she does scream. I think it's pointing, but she's also like she turns the tables on him, and she's, so she's eighty Janus I will say that the very scary movie. Yeah. But this is this is like, she's, I mean, but she's not grotesque in this movie, she's beautiful and she's and she's she's resourceful. Edgy comes of the plot to actually trap him get him killed and, and, and, and, you know, you can see the, the, the wheels turning her mind and desire for revenge and she's able to construct this this elaborate plot because she is a play. Right. And she knows how to write murder mysteries. And she finds a weapon she and then in the end she, she's two she realizes she's become this monster. And she doesn't like who she's become so she doesn't. Killing him. But the thing is, is that ends donning anyway, but you know, he gives an accident over. But, you know, thing that before the scream, queens, you have these heroines that were women in peril, who were so dimensional so powerful and they're the, the stories were in about them, but there wasn't this distance or so consciousness? Think about them with this almost derisory way of thinking about them as being made to be imperil or being made to scream or being made to be down to stress just like a great character in a play, or drama, yet, you know, I actually feel that same thing about the original hollowing movie, I think my favorite part of, of the original Halloween is third of these subtle moments were Laurie throat is, who's the, the great Jamie Lee. Curtis is talking with her friends about a school dance that they're her friend is like, oh, I told him you ought to go, and she some Barras, and it's like these very human intimate moments. When I mean she's facing off against a. Raised killer, whose murdering her friends arranging them in, like wacky Tableau for her to find, but at the same time, there's this real human, depth to her being embarrassed about a boy knowing that she wants to go with him to the school dance. We don't even see that, boy, it doesn't even matter. But like the plot has this real patients with her, and with that matters. So her as an actress, I think that, you know, because I, I was reading interesting, I was reading this book by Molly HouseCall about this morning. And there was this thing about how the release of roles for women that were intended to keep wound in their place, and the classic studio era. But how the actresses themselves were so excited and so compelling and so strong. It's amazing that, that, that the roles in which the actresses themselves incredibly fearsome Powells point, sometimes played against the script even on love them or the ones that are remembered. So there were, there were all these movies, like we never see any more like dozens, hundreds of these look, really mediocre movies with women were playing these dutiful housewife through life for a man. We don't remember those bitty Davis played those roles burbs Yarmuk play. So we don't remember those fails, we remember, the ones where they were really, really furious. I think it's a, it's a bit like that, with a horror genre where I think there were some of these films, he slasher films were men were were maybe trying to put women in the play show that we can kill you your, your dispensable where you get an actress, Jimmy Curtis who would play it with so much intelligence and in sensitivity and bring the character into know so much roundedness that that's what we remember about it. We don't remember. It's, you know, just just the sadism of it as much as we remember that, you know, so it's sort of like these actresses and kind of transgressing their material, or transcending materials, sometimes, and then and then it becomes this thing where people are writing on purpose because of that performance and, you know, on purpose because they see that, that's popular people like that better. And those movies come out better than movies where you just have women as, as sort of nameless, sexy victims that creates another type of. Movie and also there's this, I think tendency sometimes lazy screenwriters, especially with female characters to go into tropes. And this was satirized and cabin in the woods, but women over the popular cheerleader the awkward book, nerd or whatever. But the thing about Laurie strode and I kinda liked. I think one of the reasons it, hold it up so, well, it's like she's popular and she has friends, but she's still like a normal cool girl in this in this weird way where she's not. I hate the minute that there's a gorgeous model who's, like I have no friends and nobody's ever liked me. I'm like, okay, I'm out peace in thinking about horror from Connecticut to slasher. We wanted to know what character or project do they most identify with or would have loved to have worked on for me? It would be like pros and community like repulsion, you know, where Kevin Gina is, is totally psychotic and not that, I'm you know, totally so caught it. But. You know, the sympathy so much with her, even though she's a monster. This idea of a, you know, just just the things that she suffered and indoor in the way that it's made her. And 'cause I, I really respond strongly to sort of crazy people in movies, and it relies Deborah Kerr in the innocence being like, totally crate mad in the end in this is the progression to madness. I really with characters like that. I if I more of the monsters in movies than I usually do with him. Normal people I will say when I was watching the movie, the witch and at the end when she signed with black Phillip, I was like girl. I would fricken sign that book my family, your family family's been mean to you for so long. They hate you, you deserve that. Floating cabal with the witches. I was all on board. I was like, I don't know if this is the right message, but I want to be part of that I will devour and infant and be part of that great girl squad. I was rooting for black. Phillip at by the end of that movie I was like signed the book. I mean, that was a good example, scapegoating and movie which you don't see that much. Yeah. I know. Right. Because it's about a goat. I love I'd great. I think stylistically he's, he's brilliant Chana, the debt is, is a great movie. I wish we got more of those. There's a tone that sometimes comes with, like, buddy comedies, where it is a very masculine buddy, buddy tone, and I think we're moving in the world of comedy where we're seeing more female driven comedies with women who can sort of be friends will see female friendship. I want to see a female friendship driven hor movie in a Shaun of the dead style. So I look to see more female characters who are little bit more complex, and maybe a little bit more perverse feel a Convery perverse, and I feel like they're women are getting locked into having to play, you know, sort of badass bitches all the time in every single movie, and I feel like it's, it's, it's like we don't seem too many flawed characters anymore. So we're releasing the sense of women as being. A little bit more dimensional, I'm working on a movie now out of tation of the fairytale blue beard, and the key, the heroin and sort of like this amalgamation of all the Gotha Caroline's and because of that she is really kind of flawed in the sense that she has strong, but she's also kind of perverse, because she's made blueberry and, you know, she doesn't realize he's blue. But the, the idea is that, that sort of that sort of dilemma of sort of a woman who loves about man. You know, like a woman like women who love too much for women who stay in bad relationships or women who are complicit in their own destruction. That's kind of perversity. So I, I'd like to see more more perversity in female roles. Yeah. And I think that, that to go back to the, the buddy idea also like the leading women be flawed. There's this element when there's only one woman. She has to be all things to everyone. And so, I think the final girl the problem with the final girl is that it singular. It's like I want to see a movie where there can be more than one cool, bad ass female character horror movies that pass the Bechtel test. And since we're talking about final girls, we had to ask on about the Twitter brouhaha that started after she voiced her opinion on the trope. Well, yeah, and I think that it was because I actually didn't I think that was a mistake, what I tweeted, because I don't think I said exactly what I meant to say. I think it was just because it was a tweet and it wasn't enough characters. I think I'm a gave the impression that off Arnold girls suck or something. And that's not really what I meant to say. What I meant to say was sort of, like, along the lines of what I said earlier about the whole movie was that most of these male writers producers aren't putting final girls in their movies. Because their main goal in life is to create a feminist movie with feminist character. The end the creating entertainment from house audiences, at least half their audiences are men, especially. Boys who are who are very, very charged excited by watching the killing of the violence. I was just advocating for a little bit more honesty in away. I like for people to be honest about whether watch things, so for so free sample. Like the thing got a lot of flack for during that same thread was that I said, I'd never seen Texas chainsaw massacre. Well, now I've seen it, I didn't see it because I was bullied into it because I wanted to. But what was interesting to me, was how much I was bullied for not having seen it like, like a sort of a rousing like, because if I'm like some six, like, like, I'm frayed to smoke a joint or something. It was very interesting. How much how how how set everybody got hand seeing that movie people on Twitter loving upset and. It was weird because I you know, I don't really sit something kind of snarky and that was mistakes. Well, because they have to be careful what you say, because people can take the long way it was mainly because I am little bit afraid of really gory movies, and I sort of was honest about that. Sometimes really gory movies of set me. So I've seen the movie and, you know, basically the reason I was asked if I'd seen it was in the context of do you think that's a really great photo girl? And I can't comments but liquids be honest about we walked by. We watch the Texas chainsaw massacre. It isn't because we were searching for the most feminist character that we can find cinema and looking to, to edify our selves, the feminist tracks. We're watching it for different reasons and is about sort of being honest about why we watch things. So I think it's okay to love violence blood gore. Whether you're masochistic with your sadistic. Whatever reason you wanna watch it. It's great. And it is entertaining. Strong. It is actually incredibly effective movie. But I don't think it's a point of it is to be feminist. I think there several feminist horror movies that were made in the classic. Vintage more periods of the stepford wives, demon seed and season of the witch of the only three that I can think of that are that were deliberately feminist on. I just had to push pushback like challenge challenge, not even challenge continue that conversation, one thing that I think I slightly disagree with, is idea that like horror movies, need to, like wha we'll watch movies because they're like, feminist tracks. I am like an ardent feminist. But I don't necessarily think that all entertainment needs to have I'm gonna phrases carefully 'cause like Twitter, you know, things not you. I think entertainment needs to be feminist and I was very clear about that. In fact, wrote this long blog posts about how very few very few are finished, and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be. MS sorry that I made for your team. I think I misspoke, I'm saying when we're like, well, this is, you know, feminist homework, people push back. But I think there can be like super entertaining, mass pieces of popcorn entertainment that have more than one complex female character because also. I was watching it. Yeah. You know. So, so there are two issues here. One is the issue of whether something's feminist. And the, the issue over there, something is, is attracts, a lot of female spectators other female spectators can enjoy. And I think they're two separate issues. So I never I was never try. I think so what I said, was muddled because I didn't mean to say with these are not for women women shouldn't like them. They're not made. You know, the women in fact, you know, I can see how people being sold to buy that because it's almost like you're saying women are scared, or they're, they're her weaker delicate. And that's not all what I was trying to say, I was just trying to say, you know, this is the entertainment industry. And the reason I I'm even said that at all. Excuse know for a fact, just because of being in the entertainment industry and trying to make missiles for so many years. I know for fact, how little producers the industry interested in making still saying this from experience. I just know from being in the industry, how little pr-. Producers are interested in creating feminists foams. So I found that it was a bit of hypocrisy when all of these articles started coming out at the health famous these films are is if there had been an it was only an attempt for people's try to tie feminist politics into entertainment. That was already out there that would never have that intention. So that was all he was trying to do is to point out the fact that whether women find impairment in these roles are not it wasn't like in the seventies male producers were actually trying to create feminists impoundment with movies, like Harry yet. I mean as of this taping there has not been Jason Blum plume. House has not had a female directed film. So it's like I fully agree that a all male club can't take credit for how feminists they are. I mean, that's really basically I was saying at the final girl is not necessarily, especially in the earlier films, not necessarily written in order to give women sort of a feminist character to identify with. Oh, that's what ended up happening. I say my my final. Some Asian hor movie thing is just more women in the room female characters are great. But that doesn't mean a lot if it's not women writing them and women directing them. But this has been so great. It's been so wonderful to meet you and hear your thoughts on this. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun to talk to you guys. It's really it's really great. And I'm glad I got a chance to hopefully clear my name a little bit. Anything on Twitter. I really felt so I really I really didn't. I didn't know how to fix it. Once it happened, you know. But, but anyway. Yeah. I mean what is it? What is it really if, if there are any producers out there listening to this? 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Listen master, Monaco, how well we have so much to talk about we do have a lot to talk about you know, it's been a I feel like this week is just sort of been in a holding pattern by the time. People. Listen to this people will see the rainbow of reductions that AG bar has issued to the mullahs report. And we'll have moved onto a totally new shit storm. But there are some kind of under the radar things. I wanted to talk about with you Elissa. Are you ready? Anyway, do you remember when President Trump said that places in Africa were shithole countries? I recall that. Yeah. Well, his daughter is kind of traipsing around in Africa now vonda pretending as though none of that ever happened continuing to live on planet of. So let's talk a little bit about Ivanka being in Africa this week because it's the most annoying possible thing, I think that she could do, but let's let's get into it. So if Trump is in she visited Ethiopia, and I think she's visiting the Ivory Coast as well. She is promoting this sort of fairy dust version of like women's empowerment where you just appear and you say you're in powered, and then you magically are empowered you've done it, you're empowered. And you're on my Instagram you're in powered she's kind of going on this tour that is and she's promoting women's business loans. She's promoting women owned businesses. But this all kind of. Of doesn't really make a lot of sense in light of the policies of the Trump administration that disempower women by cutting them off from reproductive health services. So Eliza what do you make of Ivanka Trump's visit to Africa thus far? So I want you to know that I really went down the rabbit hole on this one. And so I'm coming with some thoughts. Okay. So one she flew commercial. That's great. Yeah. Appreciate actually appreciate that. I appreciate that too. He is going to a service for the victims of the airliner that blew up get 'em. And so I appreciate that. She's doing that. I appreciate that. You know that while her father did call Africa shit countries. The mere fact that she's going will make the people in Ethiopia and Africa think that maybe he didn't mean it which I think is good. You know, like I don't want people thinking that America thinks that they live in a shithole country end. So for the people. Of ethiopia. I think that this is a good and positive and probably exciting trip. Ryan. Okay. That's my even-handed. Intro now. Why look it's like Avangard cares. So much so much about going back to New York and kind of like easing back into her sich, right like parties and galas luncheons and being a socialite. And I think that she thinks that if she puts these pictures of her with women in Ethiopia on her Instagram that somehow she'll be able to point back to that years from now and be like, no, I did a good things when I was there. And I think that it's just for someone who exploits people in her businesses in in Java. I think is where she had the most violations and pays women so little they can't live near their families. Like, I don't really understand like, yes, it's a good. It's a good trip for people in Ethiopia, but it's the most hypocritical fucking thing. She could probably be doing. And you know, another interesting thing is has a female president. Solo work Zubay, and she was elected, I believe in twenty eighteen and, you know, it's it seems really rich that a woman like vodka Trump. Who promotes a man who is is so aggressively misogynist, which show up in a country with that is enjoying its first female head of state and be like, I'm with you. Yeah. It's it seems so empty in. So hollow to me, and I I wanted to talk a little bit about the global gag rule, and how it sort of makes this entire trip a moot point as soon as Donald Trump came into office as all of his Republican predecessors post. Ronald Reagan have done he instituted something called the Mexico City rule, which requires any any NGOs non-government organizations that are receiving American funding in foreign countries to not mention abortion if they want to continue getting the funding it's an expansion of the in. The the Reagan era and the Bush eras because in the Reagan and Bush era as it was any healthcare, providing NGO can't talk about abortion. And now, it's any NGO in general can't talk about abortion and receive American funding and study after study has shown that giving women the ability to choose the size of their family and the timing of their children is the most definitive factor in their economic success. And so it seems so silly to me that a person would go to a country to a continent. Fifty four different countries in Africa. But she would go to a continent. That has such a such such barriers in between women and women being able to control the size of their families and such bad health outcomes for women who aren't able to control the size of their families in the thing that for people who are listening to understand is that the Trump policy so initially Mexico City policy applied to about six hundred million dollars in family planning founding. What donald? Trump has done is apply to nine billion dollars in healthcare programs globally. So it's not even like he is keeping it up or it's incrementally. Worse. This is like catastrophically were has catastrophically worse than us trying to institute similar policy stateside here in the US, which is going to affect women here as well. Another thing. I wanted to bring up is the fact that the aid that is going to women owned businesses is about fifty million dollars worth in aid. Which isn't nothing. I think that like you said Eliza. There are good things about this trip. It's not bad to bring attention to women owned businesses. It's not bad to to emphasize. The fact that women don't own enough of the means of production. That's great. But fifty million dollars just to give a perspective is less than the amount of money that the American taxpayer has paid to Donald Trump for going to mar-a-lago. So it's not that much money. It's a lot of PR for Evonne for now. Not much money. Ultimately in the in the face of what we could be doing. Well, the interesting thing to add to this based on my rabbit hole. Last night is that the for all of the things this is this is like the thing that's crazy for all of the aid that they're cutting out of the budget. So the current budget is fifty million dollars for what she the these sort of empowerment program, but she has requested an additional hundred million for this initiative in the twenty twenty budget, which to me just goes to her trying to be like, look what I did guys when she gets the fuck out of the White House because there are like the program is is wonderful. But like if she's going to use her sway. Maybe she could also help women in America. And that brings up a very interesting point because Funke has tried to get credit for spearheading family, leave policies America's still one of three countries in the world that doesn't have mandatory governments sponsored. Maternity leave for new moms Ivanka's family, leave policy is and always will be fucking trash. It would require people. I mean, listen, you know, this it would require people are against their social security and in order to pay for maternity leave. So basically if you have a kid, and you're like, well, I think I want to stay home with his baby for a little bit. So it doesn't die. Then you have to you end up having to work longer at the end of your working life before you start collecting social security benefits. That's a payday lending. It's moron. Onic? It is ridiculous. Nobody should have she's working with. She's with working, Mick Mulvaney, who is trying to, you know, get rid of any sort of of policies. Limiting you know, the the payday lending where people pay like eight hundred per cent on alone. And so this is like part and parcel like she tries to pretend like she's different. But she is no worse. I mean, she's no better. God helped me then Mick Mulvaney, or. Or Stephen Miller. Yeah. Or Betsy DeVos, girl, or Betsy DeVos who is trying to protect for profit colleges that scammed people out of their money that they wanted to use to further their education. I also think that that Avangard is somebody who is she's clearly the smartest person in her immediate family. Save her mother, Ivana who is obviously very smart, right? She's smarter than her father and her brothers. But she's also not that smart. Like, very clearly not that smart. But it spent so much time around people who are aggressively dumb that she believes herself to be smart. It's like if but I think it's different. I think it's different. I actually think she might be smart and she's doing this. I'm not a conservative. I'm a pragmatist bullshit because she thinks in her Doreen JD brain that she's going to be like the first female president. I think she thinks she's going to be the first female president. But I think she does this disconnect from her in reality though, because her her approval rate, nobody nobody under. Forty likes her. You know, nobody really she doesn't have high approval ratings at all she's mostly viewed negatively by people she's sort of living on her own planet. I think she is. She is our resident Janet from another planet. She is hundred present Janet from another planet, and it's sort of like on one hand, you have to sort of have a facade to keep yourself from crumbling into dust when you're a public figure, you know, you have to sort of believe in yourself in a way, that's impermeable. But if it is so disconnected from what people in America think about her that was one thing I thought about her foreign trip. It's like, well, maybe she's going to Africa because nobody here likes her. This is her Hasselhoff ING, she she's like, well, I can't get a singing career here. I'm gonna go Hasselhoff over in Africa and become huge over there. So I don't think that that's an outlandish theory. I definitely think that this like little goodwill tour of hers is because she wants to be feted writing. And like when you're father calls the place that you're going a shithole country the bars like pretty low for you to be better than that. Right. Basically. You just have to not throw up on the prime minister, LA the first George Bush, and you are going to have a good and successful trip which like as someone with stomach issues. Like, I don't fault George Bush for now. No, I mean, what else is the video of that though is is like pretty unbelievable video, and there's actually I will have to find it. There is a Japanese word for being Bush meaning being puked on. Oh, that's great. Yeah. That's that's about as good. A notice any to end our discussion of Evonne Trump in Africa because I'm feeling the Japanese word for being puked on whenever whenever I think about. Well, her in girl will next week. We reading thing. Do I owe you a coke? Do you owe me a coke? Are we jinxing? The only a coke. We all each other a coke. Okay. All right to you next week. Love you. Bye. Bye. 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Right now. That's M Y B I L, E dot com slash hysteria. Okay. We're back to the part of the show called personal political. This is where we talk in depth about things that we think about a lot even though they don't really have anything to do with news. I wanna welcome my panel today. I we have a person who very timely in a timely manner. Just quit her job data Schwartz. Hi there. How's it going? Pretty good. How did it feel man? Really good. This is the first time that I like quit a really good job for no reason other than well. We'll get into it out of the intro. But like for no reason other than my own personal like career journey and making a choice. Yeah. And he felt really good. And you gave I understand your first effort view. Yeah. I left with a with a with a bomb. I just wanted to to leave with my first and last ever review. What was it? It was a book called the Mr. from fifty shades of grey author James, and though it's called the Mr. it is not like a BSN say, it's not a sexy book. It's. Not like a erotic. I was picturing like winning. Yeah. We gets hot. And you missed your song like with some like lemon infused water like wasn't very clever title. Yeah. It has so many interpretations. Yeah. So it's a bad book. It was like not just bad. But like actively offensive it. It's about hey. And they'll Bainian woman who is accident, we sex traffic to the United States, but escapes her sex traffickers, and is rescued by a model slash DJ slash Earl and model slash slash. I do not being like his title. He's like a British Earl. Yeah. A little bit of Jane Austen. Yeah. All right. Next up. We have t shirt wearing non events participating in. I had one telephone. Okay. Find I'm doing stuff. Okay. I'm doing things in start. Are you doing? That I'm doing I'm not just summoned like knows for auto lying in wait. I would love it. If you came in here like knows for Rodman every loading. I do think of my life is like may just like lying in bed. And then it's like, oh, yes. Now, I have to be some. And then I just show up to that place. And then somebody's like what did you do for fun? I was like I was lying. No. I did. I did. It was the Indian film festival this weekend. Oh, awesome. Which is really cool. It's a great festival in Los Angeles, California that kind of celebrates Indians from India and Indians from America. And there was a really terrific and very community building panel. I thought that I was a part of on Saturday with people from television that cool very specific very specific to that community in a way that I thought was really empowering in and a good thing to be part of. That's great. So when you laid back down in your layer, you had a smile on your face. That's all you awaited there. It was a let's just be very specific. Well, third we have ten TRAN who is I understand meeting. Her niece for the first time. That's the most exciting thing. That's happening to me. Tell us about your niece. She was born three months ago. And she's actually she. He lives in Dublin. So I none of us. None are in my fans noticed she is a pirate. Yes. She isn't liar is separately. He was born in Irish pirate. And none of us have met her in all of my family is like I have I'm one of three daughters or four daughters sorry to exit one of my. You don't have to say which one. But we know. Yes. Okay. Good. And we're all meeting her for the first time that's going to be. So really fun months old. They're sort of like croissants. They're like just little dove little the little little balls of dough. They get mad at us. Sometimes. Yeah. I'm just going to have I love being the aunt because it's like you hold the baby till it's no longer fun. And then you give the baby away. How long is that for you? Because I feel like that number is different for different people deal for a while. I can I can probably go for I'm going to say like I could watch that baby for the day. Wow. That's that's type j not holding the baby. Do you? See my arms. Yes. I can't hold that. Baby. That's what I was thinking. I was like I think you've got ninety sections. Oh my God rid. I have at least ninety five. I have two nephews and they both live in Minnesota. And they're like, they're almost three and almost four and one of them. I was just informed has been drawing pictures of my house. He like has never been to California's you or creepy. I don't know becoming summer. I haven't seen it yet. But my brother was like, yeah. He's drawing pictures of your house in California. And he's never seen it before. So I hope they accurate if they are that would be amazing. I've got I'm not I don't wanna scare you. But that is some like Michael Myers in in Halloween like drawing Laurie Strodes house while he's in prison. Oh, cool. Wow. Well, my four year old nephews not in prison. I just sent him France's Instagram takes them photo. References. So that he knows that it's succulent based. So that he knows about us kind of the tile the Mexican tile on the roof. You really nice house. Yeah. They see to give him some geographical markers. He can sure. Heave. Accuracy. Also, my my apartment has a name like the building has a name. It's like, blah, blah, blah. And one of them is a. A plural. And they use a pasta fee on the plural which I didn't realize until after I signed the lease. Because if I if I would have seen a sign with misused apostrophe, I would have been like, I don't know if I want to live here. This is a dump. Anyway, we need to get into the topic for today. I think it sort of fits in with tin wanting to quit holding her niece after ninety five seconds. Dana quitting her job. We're going week week. I am. That's fine. You can like I feel like nephews and nieces like make you buff up. Yeah. You're around them you human barbells. That's what I call baby. Yeah. Especially at three months, she should have had another one. So that you could have even the mound the mound zoo. One side of the time. Keep your keep yourself in alignment and just like, you know, keep your corn. Just just keep your core engaged. Exactly you use gravity to help you and you know, use your back, but not too much. We're gonna talk about quitting this week. And I know that that's a big topic with a lot of different applications. But I think that every time I've personally quit something there's been a similar set of similar thought process that I've gone through. There's reasons that you quit things that are like, well, I'm quitting this. Because this is hurting me I'm quitting this because I found something that can help me more than this. I'm quitting is. Because it's I'm in a holding pattern. There's a bunch of reasons to quit, but because Dana has such a fresh experience with it. I want to start with you. When did you know, it was time to quit? I would say. Was like mentally threatening to quit for like a few months beforehand where like on days where I'd be particularly overwhelmed. I'm just like I'm just going to quit. I'm just gonna quit, you know, like like that. But it took, you know, a few months of like actual logistics to make it a decision that wasn't like an impulsive. But it did reach a point. So the reason it quit and I fully loved my job at Entertainment Weekly. It was truly like a dream job. Like, it was my favorite thing in the world. But I reached this point where I had like I was juggling like three or four other projects that were really exciting to me. And like the things that I wanted to do with my life like creative. Like, I have a book coming out in November. And I was working on that. Yes. Thank you. And like a few other things that are sort of in the works and just like, my Entertainment Weekly work started feeling like Likud inker on me. Like, I couldn't I would be drained by the end of the day. And I couldn't I was getting these amazing opportunities, and I didn't have the energy or creative. Like, I didn't have the right? Words left at the end of the day to like take advantage of them until it felt like I wasn't doing either with integrity like, I was resenting, my Entertainment Weekly work. And then I was getting these amazing opportunities. And I couldn't give them my all. And so the way, of course, I called my mom, but the way explained it is like a monkey bar situation where I needed to sort of like let go of the last monkey bar to grab the next one. Like, I didn't I didn't have I don't like have. I wasn't leaving for like a specific thing. But I had all this like I have these projects that I want to work on. And so I needed to let go the monkey bar and just breach and have like a little bit of faith in myself that it would work out and the hardest part was I just hate confrontation. And I loved my bosses, and so it was like really awkward and like a pit in my stomach Toco into the office and be like hi, can we close the door thing? We've never done before. Yeah. I mean, that's that's something. I think a lot of people feel when they quit Karen. Have you ever had experience with quitting? That didn't feel like you had to. College is where you're like, I'm fucking quitting. I don't quit things. Really? Okay. I like just generally, I'm not I'm not a big. I mean, I have quite a few things. But I am I think my ammo has been this is miserable. But I will hold on for dear life and just just muscle. My way through whatever this is. And that's how I finished my documentary. Yeah. Is like, you know, how many times did you want to quit when you're doing that every town time all the time. So can you you fill in the listeners about like what you did just in case. They don't know pretty sure. So I graduated from college, and I wrote a short novel with this very talented novelist named Jamaica Kincaid number two short novel about a woman a little girl who joins a rebel army in Nepal. Right. And then I wanted to make it into a movie, and I and I didn't have the money to do that. And then somebody suggested to go make documentaries. So the day after graduating I went to. Nepal and thought it would take like three months. I thought we'd take like a summer to make a documentary. I'm like, yeah. Make a documentary had a tiny little bit of money like five or seven grand or something thought, it would take three months, and it took like three years it took like basically three months to find the character just to just to kind of get in with the rebels to make the contacts with the journalists to be able to like get a couple of pitch meetings with the rebels in the jungles and be like, yo let me like you wake. It was like ten o'clock at night. And then it'd be like yo be at this bust up at five in the morning, and then you get into the bust up of five in the morning, and then and then you ride for several hours, and then you hike for another several hours, and then your tent with like all dudes all men, and like one translator, and they're like, so what do you want to do? And I was like a story on the women. How dare you? Do you think you are why are you here, but it took time? So it took time in that took time to raise the money. And then it's what happened was every single time that I really wanted to quit. It'd be like well you've put in too much time now, and it's like, and that's really a sinking cost sunk cost equation. 'cause it's like it's like after three months, you're like, well, I've got to keep going otherwise all of this would have been a waste, and then it's like six months, and you're like well now that's even more true than it's like at a year. You're like, no, it's even more true than it was. Oh, no. I have to finish some of the most satisfying work. I've done is when I've chosen not to quit. I mean, I think that that's an important like conundrum. I have Dana on my shoulder and a cure and on my shoulder every time I feel like quitting. I think. And so it's like, well, maybe this maybe it's time for me to to cut loose and go like, I quit working fulltime in journalism to take a job. Writing for always sunny, and it all happened within like a day that I knew I was going to leave. And but I made a decision like it was like a brain stem response. Like, I didn't even think about it for a second. I wasn't like should I 'cause if I would have slowed down I would have been like, oh, I don't know. I don't know if it should move to LA for three months. I don't know if you do this. I don't know if you do this. And like it's sort of like, you you need you need like it's like when a rocket tries to take off from a gravitational like body. It needs a certain amount of thrust to escape the field that needs to just be like, I'm just going to do this. And I'm just not even looking back ten. What's the best thing you've ever quit? And the worst thing you've ever do you have any regrets? I don't have any regrets with regards to quitting. I I about your other regrets. My other. Your mother author list form if you could the top three top three regrets lollapalooza twenty. So it's about one with quitting. I think you know, I quit my full time. I used to be a copywriter are used to work in advertising before I started doing comedy. And they when I quit that job. I remember I walked into my office. And my boss was kind of like I knew going to down because I had always they they hired me knowing that I did comedy. And they were like whenever you need anything. Just like if you're you. If you have a thing that comes up just let us know you're free to go. They were so accommodating, and when I finally got my dream job, which was I moved to Chicago to do second city. And it was like my dream to be on main stage to do like what Tina Fey and Rachel drag head done, and I quit my day job to then do that. And then was able to get to main stage, and I actually just quit main stage this past year in that was it was like leaving my dream job. He was truly my dream job. I had spent ten years in Chicago trying to get to this job. And I did it for a year. And after a year, I was like, I think I'm ready to go. Yeah. And then I moved to LA, and I'm trying to the worst thing I ever quit. Oh god. I mean, I can think of the the only time I ever quit in like a flounce in a flower, you quit and like it was never a job. But it was like in high school with friends, I leaving my friend group because the maybe came toxic. And I I every time every time you talk on this podcast. You're always like these people. Tom. I, and I and I and I have eliminated them from my life. I met that point in my life. He condo your life. Join my lighters. Cleanse my soul headed juice cleanse. Because it's like, you know, life is short. You can't be surrounded by people that make you feel bad. So you quit your group. If I make in a flash because I remember I heard one of them had been making fun of me. And at the time, I was wearing birkenstocks. And I remember that shoe, it is a bad shoe. And I was wearing berkinstocks that were like blue with red yellow and green buckles. Okay. I'm not proud of this. I'm that. I list of regret that made me do are you going to cut us? Yeah. I'm gonna stand up and be like, and you know, what I actually remember because I stood up. And I like said my piece, and then I was like in you know, what I love my birkenstocks. Say wait. The sounds great. Well, I like grilled bench movie wasn't bingo, she went there is like a couple of girls that were very meet. They were like bully. I was like the kid that got bullied in in my group. You know, when you had that lives, I kind of on the fringe of like, the popular girls, but they kept me around to like make fun of me shitting, very toxic, very toxic. And I stood for myself. But I I just remember my lives. You said I think I said something along it's like, I I think I was like you guys can't pick up any more like I'm done with this. And you know, what I love my Burke, I feel like I want to teach it right now. I love my birkenstocks. You guys can't address for. I was like sad for months though. What did they say to you? They were just like stunt that I used to the confidence of the competition because they were used to bouncing. Yeah. There. They were used. They were used to me being like an Asian minstrel for them. Yeah. I'm glad that you said that you love your birkenstocks. This is a great story. And also they deserve to feel bad that shitty. Your copy editing story that was like very similar to the way when I quit like my boss is we're like, yeah. We sort of knew that this would come. I feel like that is sort of a point for all creative people and their day job, you reach a critical mass point. And if you have good bosses, and like a good job they like support and understand you. Yeah. I think that's really interesting point when you talk about day jobs because if you work in a creative field, unless you have rich parents who support you you. You have to work a day job. You have to work a job that you very like aggressively. Don't like for me. It was finance. I worked in finance during the crash, basically. And then once the crash happened I stayed in finance for longer than I thought I wanted to because I needed insurance and this was like pre-obama care. And I was just like, you know, what I hate this job. But I have to make money I have to work, and that's what most Americans have to do. They don't love their jobs are not excited about it. But I remember the day that I quit working in violence. I'd fantasized about it. It was like for so long. I thought about for so long. It would help me sleep at night. I'd be like imagine myself quitting. And I this is the only time I've ever weaponized crying. But I had cried in my media review at one control crying. No. I can't I can stop it. If it's coming. But I can't make it come out a superpower. Yeah. That's that's also like scary. When people can totally control it. It's like, Ooh, I don't know about you. You can Karen. Can you see yourself in mirrors of co-? I mean, I can I can of course, only gosh a year at actress you can make yourself yourself. Right. Of course. Yes. Of course, that's. Of course. Well, I went into my boss's office. And I decided that rather than just quitting. I was going to ask if they would lay me off because people are getting laid off left and right. And I was like every Friday, the boss would come around and slick scoop someone up from their cubicle and take him into their office. And there's like all that person got fired today. Just because it was like, that's how things were going. That is toxic. I've been fired. Oh, yeah. Oh god. Well, he he will. I wanted my boss's office. And I was like, hey, do you recall how it cried during the mid year review? And he was like I do remember that it wasn't pleasant for me. And I was like wasn't wasn't for me either. And I was like why don't you lay me off because I am leaving financial services. I don't want to work in financial services anymore. And he was like, okay. I'll think about it end of the day. He was doing his like scary walk around any scooped me up. And was like well you volunteered. So here you are. And he gave me a bottle of Pinot and. Yeah. And that, but I remember walking out of the building wearing my like express brand like editor Pam, I got I loved mine, I loved all that was all I wear to work. So it was like business business work, and my like little blazer, and my button-down shirt and a primary color and like thinking like I don't have to wear any of these close anymore. I'm I'm done. I'm done with this. And I went back to my house and emptied my closet. I took all of them. And I. Are you in a romantic comedy? You learn them. No. I put them in a in a plastic garbage bag and donated them. But yeah, I like threw away all my like business clothes, and I was like I'm done with business. And then a couple years later when I was like doing CNN, I was like I need. So fuck, but it was it was like great, you feel I felt very clean after I quit that industry. I I didn't have I freelanced. I freelance tutored and did like stuff in academia. And then was just very broke while I made my film. So that's also another way to do. It just be very broke get used to. I was very broke. So I was like my cost of living was just extremely low. I lived with roommates. I ate at home. I would like pre eat before brunch. You know, like, yeah. Yeah. I was just very broke the thing about e w is it was sort of like it wasn't like a day job that I hated like I really loved it and enjoyed it. But the thing about like wanting to do creative things and then your day job being like, the creative thing adjacent is I found it like drained all of my mic writing energy, like I just cannot sit at a desk and right? Like, you know, not for me. But like write creatively for eight hours, and then come home and be like all right time to write my thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's really interesting. I I was doing that. In New York, I had like four different jobs, and I was like going to the Daily Beast, and then I was going to CNN, and then I was working on scripts. I was doing crooked stuff. I was like to too many things. Yeah. And when I was in the process of doing that I had to like segment my day, mentally, I wasn't. I didn't have any time for leisure. So I would come home and like work on stuff too. Right. And I would like have a drink at night. And I got used to like by the end of my time in New York. I was like I'm drinking alcohol every single day. And this is like an unhealthy thing for me to do. I wasn't like, you know, calling people up and being like an another thing I wasn't doing anything like personally destructive. But I was just like this is this is a lifestyle that I need to quit I need to with this unhealthy thing. And I wanted to transition into like unhealthy habits or unhealthy. Lifestyle choices and talk about whether or not any of you have ever confronted something like that and decided to quit like I smoked from like eighteen to twenty four and one day. I just woke up, and I was like, I'm I think I'm done. I I used to drive when I was doing the CBS diversity showcase which really stress me out. I I would drive forty five minutes each way in traffic to get coffee from this like one gourmet. Oh. In the middle of traffic drive. Forty five minutes forty five minutes because it was at the height of traffic out of the habit of coffee with. Unlike after this kind of traumatizing experience, I'm gonna treat myself. Yeah. Yeah. Well, how I, you know, justified it to myself, but then I talked to somebody I talked to like a therapist, and they were like, listen, your time is more valuable than this. Like, you know, you have to respect yourself and your time. And you know, you can't, you know, be driving two hours out of your day. Just to get a Cup of coffee. So no coffee is worth moved closer to a Cup of coffee is worth right. It's just moved. I am. I bad habit. Is I get really stressed out by receiving mail. I will let males stack up like crazy. I think it's from my days of like filling out FAFSA forms and getting student loans done minute and just like from their slowly stressed me out that anytime I got a letter. It's like, oh, you have student loans that you need dry. You're in trouble you're enjoyable, and so it didn't it wasn't like a issue until I started living with my partner. And she was like you have like six months worth of mail that you just simply have not opened and open. It doesn't innate. Exactly, I was like if I don't open it. Then like someone's gonna call me at some answer a phone call, but a male like the male is I'll just let it stack up and there were some important papers that were in the. Baber and she opened them which is a federal fence. But she was helping me. Help me go through all of it. And that minute thing is like I I am. I am trying to open my mail when I get it. Yeah. Quit not I quit. I quit quitting mail. You quit quitting meal. It really stresses me it stresses those forms and papers stress me that is I think a good thing to quit doing because that's that's an avoidance behavior. Like, it's probably better to confront things head on. I was thinking about the way that women are taught to approach relationships. And like the only way that it's a success. If you don't quit it like, you are you are the failure. And it was just wondering if any of you had experienced kind of feeling like in in the rear view mirror that you hung onto a relationship for too long because you felt like you could kind of bring up the nose on it literally. I never I never leave a relationship. Like, you wait until they are like, okay that's enough. Dana. Well, I wait until there's. Actually, that's how I was going to end. Okay. That's enough data. That's nothing fair. Stick with you. That's your sitcom. Oh, I love. I would watch so good that show guys after that. K yes, let's bring onto script writers room. Yeah. No. I'm just I'm just I think like I was not a weird awkward child. And like I didn't like boys didn't wanna kiss me in middle school. And so I think now if anyone wants to date me, I'm just like, oh, great. This is it. This is probably the last person who will ever want to date me ever. I guess this is this is it. And so I I'm I'm slowly getting better now is a twenty six year old lady. But that is my instinct like the the instinct that I'm always fighting against somebody specifically told me that they matched with you on the internet who is a listener. And was like very excited point point. If we meet if at some point, okay? Okay. That perseus. Bring him in and behind Jordan number one is your new life part that you'll never quit. I can say that I relate to that a lot Dana that I always think or I thought when I was younger before I really felt like I was doing what I wanted to do in that. I was like, oh, I'm I have a lot to offer somebody. I I was would always think like this is the last person who's ever going to think I'm pretty ever, and I would so I would hang onto things for too long. And there's a couple relationships that I had with men that were sort of slow faded. You know, where it was like, I just want to impact the sentence. This is the last person who will think I'm pretty. Like, that's such an Amy Schumer movie title. Hits her head. And she's like everyone thinks I'm pretty. Yeah. Exactly. It's it's hilarious. But I was I would always think like, oh, I'm not going to meet anybody ever again. And so I would sometimes, but also know that the the relationship is wrong, and so just sort of emotionally detached and kind of dr- have you ever seen a kid being like dragged out of something? They don't want to be dragged out, and they just kind of were like that. That was me in relationship that was like two like it'd been it had gone on for too long. I like have you ever seen like the way octopus autopsies? Well. I think that is it. I've never said that allowed, but he will be your life partner forever. Greek philosophy. Have you ever seen a singular octopus detached from like a glass wall? Suction cups in cool one at a time. Yeah. That's what I'm imagining for you like slowly detaching like. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one time this was like a decade ago. So I don't think I'm blowing it'd be spot up. But a person I had been dating brought up that he was like, yeah. When we have kids, and I burst into tears, and that's how I knew. I was like this is I should probably be fair to this person. And actually decided I think that that's another thing is like a lot of times quitting comes in the context of things that are over and and they their wise decisions. But I wanted to talk before we finish this conversation about the floats. We talked briefly about the floats, which is a sort of dramatic quitting gesture designed to elicit an emotional response from other people I wanted to ask you Dana have you ever witnessed a true like floats like, no? And I'm done or like good day. So no, I truly wish I wish I would I think that seems so fun. I mean, it's just again, my style is like the out. I'm like a church mouse is like my work personality, which is like I am so sorry that I'm inconveniencing you with my leaving. So that is so counter to anything I would ever do at an office. But oh my God. I would love to see that looks like a music. Video like lip sync out and moonwalk. Like one of those a a coast, but a viral quitting viral quitting. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Have you ever cure fantasized about a fluency quit? I know that you don't typically quit. But do you ever think about it? You're like I wish I could just go up to this person. And be like f you never talk to me again now blast off into space. Have you follow up question? Adding to have you ever had like a saying like f you to someone on meant it really like had your moment. If if someone like if somebody really betrays me because I'm quite a loyal person. So with people I have there have been times when I will like I might I might not end the friendship, but I will detect like, I will detach. And then there's a few times when it's been like somebody's done something really really in my opinion. I mean, and this is a question is an is any action from person forgivable, do you know, what I mean, if the person shows remorse is any action forgivable? Or is it like on? And I love the way CNN's. It's already like let me tell you put on your berkinstocks and wall. No. But that's that's a question. It's like because you know, somebody said somebody wants said. I think I was doing Iowa and the lady there was like she goes, oh, all people. This is just an interesting phrase. I thought she goes all people are are laced with poison every person is laced with poison. But like, you know, if you want to get to the good stuff inside. It's like, you know, they're you'll have to get through the poison. I which is I think a nice way of saying everyone will betray you. But that is showing and this is a matter of now. Now, I feel so he. I actually thought it was really her whole point was like she was like I used to avoid people. And then I learned a way to metabolize the poison. Oh point. It's like sorry. Let's go back to the Charlotte's web. Come. Like people who are in abusive relationships. Like, I don't want them to think like just have to take this point. I think the part of the wisdom is being able to recognize what is like normal human prickliness, and what is like a fundamentally bad. Yeah. Sure. Yes there. I think that's a I think that's a great question too. Because you know, there's something to be said for I've I've also been, you know, in my friendships, I've been kind of relentless about cutting people off like I can forgive people like you brought up I can forgive them. But I don't forget what happened. And sometimes it's I our relationship cannot be repaired. Like, I am not I'm no longer angry with you. But I no longer want anything to do with you. I'm not I have. No, there's my feelings toward you are cold. And I that happens to me, you know, it's happened to be times where I've been very close with like, a friend and they've done something fucked up and they've been like, I'm sorry. And I'm like, okay. I'm I'm I don't think you're a bad person. But I just don't want anything to do. With counts is fucked up to you like, what would be, you know. Of general example. So that your I think a good example, like the reason that a person has friends is so that you feel that they even though they might judge you sometimes they would never condemn you. They would never treat you like your piece of shit. They would listen to you. But also, not give you I don't I don't think that they should endorse every single thing you do. But I think that they should also not make you feel like should if you're not kick you when you're down. And I think that being kicked when I'm down is like one of the things that I like kind of find unforgivable it happens like on a regular basis. I just sort of like, Nope. I don't want anything to like opposite, a friend not a person to keep around but people, but people do that. Sometimes I think that it people like to feel empowered by eliciting, a response from people, and sometimes the only people who will respond to the people that are close to you. I think that's why people act like dick sometimes. And that's why people will, you know, lash out at the people closest to them because they feel powerless and they. Want to listen to response. But that's like quitting behavior. Or is like, you know, I remember one time when we were talking about this like listener hill. Right. And the guy was in the van, I don't know if you remember this, but he got in the van with the construction workers. And so just for context there's a guy who was in a van with construction workers and all the construction workers when they would come back with the cat. Call women. He was like this makes me feel really uncomfortable. But I'm not sure if I can say something, and we were talking about like, oh, maybe you could use humor to kind of like know like kind of just shame like like kind of kind of get your point across where it'd be like, oh, that'd be a way to get a girlfriend in two thousand nineteen. I'm sure she's really going to respond to that. Or what you know? That's how I met my wife. Right. Exactly. Like just just just being like quickey or sarcastic. But I've done that in rooms and spaces, and then other people will be like you were being really talked. You know what I mean? So it's like my point is I was being marginalized in a space. You know, where people didn't hear me and my tactic. I was humor like it was humor or to be a little bit salty just to get the point across and be. But the truth of the matter is in a space. I was being, you know, just just bulldozed and marginalized so it's inter- intention is a big thing when you were talking about like, an even when you're quitting someone or person. It's like intention is. And I know people are like, oh, it's not the intention. It's like the impact. But I actually think it's like in a court of law. It's intention is massive, you know, if you meant to murder somebody it's different than if you're like, Oops, I hit you with my car, but the person is still dead. You know, like, that's the result. That's that's the thing. Like intention does matter, but so does outcome, and it's like what the punishment is different for both. That's true. Yeah. Like, a friend who who does something to hurt you accidentally versa, friend. Who does something to hurt? You maliciously? There's an different totally. I think another thing that's important. When we talk about quitting is in our fucked up modern day, I think that there's been a major conflict between criticism and toxicity. Like people sometimes interpret any criticism is like toxic behavior, any confrontation as toxic and confrontation isn't inherently toxic. And that's something that I kind of struggle within the lake feel good about yourself all the time culture that we're living in because it's like, yeah. But I think a lot of criticism is warranted. And I think it's important for people to take in criticism. And to take a look at themselves and decide does do I need to change something in my hurting people. But then, you know, toxicity isn't so I guess cure. Can you tell the difference between criticism and toxicity? Or is it something that you struggle with at all? I mean, I would I hope so, but yeah, I think sometimes it takes I think that takes a lot of self knowledge, and like an interest section to be like, I I mean now I'll try to be like, how do I feel? I try to say how do I feel when I when I walk away. I have a pretty strong gut. So how do I feel when I walk away from this interaction? And if I'm consistently walking away from a person, I feel bad in my stomach that. That's usually a sign that something's not. I don't feel good for certain reason. I would also say like the same thing like criticism versus toxicity also applies to humor, you know. Like, I remember one time like we were bantering. And I think we both thought it was fun. But like somebody on the internet was like, oh is there fighting are. They fighting no not at all. But like, but if you were a more sensitive person, or I was a more sensitive person, maybe that would feel like bullying. So I do like, I think that that whole like, you know, the the line of of what's quote, unquote, fun versus what is hurtful to another person can be so different for different people. So a little bit of like empathy moving forward. Don't quit me so early I would've never never I love you. Oh, I think I mean quitting. I think we solved at guys it's an emotionally loaded thing. And it's something that everybody individually needs to decide is right for them. But I don't think that reflexive quitting is necessarily good. But you should flounce if we're at a dinner if I'm at a restaurant, and you're also at a restaurant, and you're going to break up with do it in front of me. I love seeing that. I can you ever see Nebraska? Oh, yes. I saw I not either. I was in. I love I have I love seeing people fighting in public because it's like, oh, any strong emotions in public happiness in public sadness in public. I feel bad for the person I want to hug them. But like fighting in public is my other favorite thing. It's so good. I don't watch reality TV there. I just like watching like if I walked down the sidewalk, and I I'm like hell. Yeah. Him walk slowly past it. It's funny because it's heist you like high stakes you like high stakes in real life in the same space as you. Yeah. I get that. Like, if you're if you're at a coffee shop, you're like, oh, I'm just reading my book, but somebody else's like ending a relationship. That's like going to change their life. And you're in the same space. You know, I was watching a while it is well, it's like watching someone and be like this is the best day of this person's life. I was watching soccer this weekend. British club soccer her. The Premier League. I was so my God. Are you trying? Yeah. I was watching the primarily knows watching Liverpool because I got. Yeah. Because why because a boy made me do it. Oh, no. But it was fun. It was really. It was exciting time right now for Liverpool Liverpool is is great. They could I as I understand the the daily Cup. Yeah. Entire family. Just like perked up. They're like. Well, I was watching the club like high level club soccer and like in the World Cup the players walkout holding hands with the kids, and I love watching. There's like little kids at come out. Soccer suck is the best really club level plays better than World Cup play because it's like smoother and cleaner and disturbing. But anyway, so I was watching these kids walk out holding the hands of these soccer players and thinking every little kid in that line is going to remember this for the rest of their lives. This is like the best day of these little kids, and it's like so cool to witness that. But anyway, we're getting off topic. We have to wrap up on quitting. 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The hill I will die on is that holding hands while you're walking is fucking stupid inevitably person is taller than the other in the near one person's elbows too high and one person's elbows too low and breaking up your stride, your hands. Get all sweaty. Like just hold the fuck on wherever we're going. We can sit down sit real close to each other. It'll be all cute. He don't have to hold my hands while we're trying to get somewhere. And that is the hill. I will die on. Thanks. Okay. I I was recently down at like USC. And so there's all these cutesy couples and stuff, you know, everyone's like in college. So, but I was I noticed I would just be staring to the point that I made people uncomfortable and the name on clasped their hands. I'm available with you. If somebody is your hands. He'll he'll stop unclasping Nater your superpower. I think that like the thing about hand holding. I like doing it. I think it's just fine. But eventually like somebody gets sweaty. And there's a time to detach and it's never purse. It's never like I'm angry detaching from holding your hand. But it just becomes like, oh, I don't want to hurt. This person's feeling like I I don't wanna be holding your hand for the quiz. Right. I exactly gonna know into quit. That's that's my feeling. It's I it's a safety thing for my partner. And I sometimes we do and sometimes we don't insert spaces because of like, oh, yeah. Being like catcalled and door. A like, yeah. Having experiencing homophobia is the thing that informs our hand holding. Sometimes I'd imagine that holding hands for a member of the BT community would be something. That means a lot more to people. Yeah. And the straight community if there is such thing great community straight night when we first came out. I was like, yes, I'm doing this. And then they then we'd be on the street, and I this I've had some several occasions where Smith Suzy groups of men will be like, oh, look, and it's well one. They're correct. Like. Good holiday cab, boys. You learned accurate accurate. Then tree. Right after seeing there like, bro. Oh, I remember the time in working on that. We walked by a baby shower on and my girlfriend, and I were holding hands. And like there were a bunch of dad's outside the the baby shower that we're like, oh lesbians and at that point like what had like gotten used to that. And she turned around. And she goes she starts going. Hey, don't say that. But I just went you better. Fuck. Oh, like ready to fight. Yeah. I think dad's outside of baby shower cat calling the worst that bad. It was bad. You're standing outside a party celebrating. The fact that one of you came in somebody. That's what Erin would have said. It's literally shoot of turnaround building. You are celebrating the fact that one of you came inside somebody, and I'd be I'd be like you just practicing. Like, we gotta stop. Yeah. That would have been that would have been a lot of talking at once in all of those great lines would have been lying. They would have just all happened at once. Well, Tian do you wanna start our? Yeah. Actually, it it relates to baby showers. I think my hill that I will die on as I think that grown adults especially grown women should stop calling their dad's. Daddy. It Trump really really creeps me out. And I only thought of it because my sister, my older sister's keep doing it in like text form and in like person form, what's the what's the intonation. It's it's just I think any intonation of daddy is as if you're referring to your own father when you're a grown woman. There is no intonation. That's good. I definitely have a cousin. He'll be like daddy. Daddy. It always. It makes me laugh. I think it's hilarious too. Because I've in my in my small research group, it's they don't say, mommy, they just say daddy. And then it's mom or mama. But never dad. Mommy. And there are a lot of other things you could be calling your dad. Peter. Heaters one. His name is godless. It was navy Peter's university. So I think the rule me out. You can only call your dad. Daddy, if you're fucking you're dead. Yeah. That's a great rule very reasonable. That's a reasonable rule to gray rule. Have no response. Here in what he'll will you die on this week. I recently joined the internet. Oh, yes. Thank you so much hip hop group that put out an awesome album. Yeah. You know? I didn't know about that still. What's a what's a jug, boo? All right. So I joined the internet I joined internet dating just very delicate. I joined a few of thank you so much. How's it going? I'm a bit lazy on the apps. I haven't done done to put but I'm on two of them. And I was like, oh, there's a lot. I didn't realize there are so many people. Yeah. There's a lot of people in the world. There's a lot like if I think if you want to be in a relationship you a hundred and fifty five percent Kansas just typically it's like there's a lot of people. How long have you been on the? Have you to them two days two days? Okay. Maybe maybe maybe two days. Yeah. But I was like there's a lot of people like if sixty like whatever just just from statistically. I was like that. If you really put time into this probably make something happen. It's just a matter of if you just really putting the elbow grease in which I is is like another job. Listen, this is the hill sidetracked. Here's the hill. There's people on that the thing that will be like, oh, if you laugh at my, and if you laugh at my my dad jokes if you laugh at my a stupid, dad jokes. I like you I want people to stop saying that shit. I don't be proud of the fact that your shitty at thing and put that on websites. That's insane. Like, you're bad Etta thing. And then you're like looking at charming. I am with my mediocrity. I'm like fuck you. Fuck your dad jokes. Daddy, dick euless about how long you've worked in comedy or getting funny, or whatever it is that you do. And it's like you would never put a skill like. And if you enjoy my burnt cooking. No. None of this. Shitty. Journalists and you can laugh at that. And your great. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You can laugh at my you know, the skill that. I'm kind of terrible that then we're going to get along. Great. And was like, yeah. Because I'm basically fucking kowtowing and get out of my life Fitch. I'm mediocre. Yeah. Exactly. Another thing that I noticed when doing it. It's it's bad. The on the on Buller always looking for partners in crime like I'm looking for a partner in crime, and there is an impending white crime spree going as soon as all these people find partners. This is going to be. I'm looking to rob a Bank. I'm specifically looking to rub base somebody else's asking for partnering criminal be like. Okay. Let's let's do this. Let's play in a heist. When asked for like, I'm looking for my best friend. They do that too. Is that? Yeah. Okay. Just making sure I've seen a lot of looking for the like Pam to my. Oh, I sat somebody say that, you know. I don't like that couple. You've don't let I don't like that couple. I think they're the worst TV couple in all of history. Wow. That's it. That's a worst almost TV history. There's a lot of history. Yeah. No. I think the worst because I think they were they were held up so high this should be a different hill. Yeah. It was. Need to listen to this pocket? Well, Dana been busy working at Entertainment Weekly. Now, you'll have time I have time. You can just you can catch up on podcasts. That's why you quit your job podcast data. What's the hill? Diane. Okay. So it was announced that the new avengers movie it's going to have like a three plus our run time. And I think the hill. I should I on is that if a movie is longer than two and a half hours you have to by law. Bring back a sound of music style intermission. So people can go to the bathroom old timey movies. Had this Broadway shows have this. Yes. Like a symbolic would movies have. Like, I just can't I have a weak bladder movie theaters. You get popcorn and you get a bottle of water. And like the the Russo the guys who are doing endgame. We're like kind of bragging about like there's not going to be a time in this movie to go to the bathroom like adults. And because people asked them they're like also jam packed. And I'm like that's not something to brag about human beings have to go to the bathroom. Yeah. Like don't brag at or just so either you have to have an intermission or you have to have like a five minute scene in the middle of your movie. We're just like two characters talk about their day. Yeah. I think that's fair. I you know in Greece they have intermissions in the middle of movies. So everybody they put them in. So everybody can go smoke. I've never heard of that. So they can go smoke in the lobby. Okay. Everybody smokes increase. Yeah. I don't know why I find it rude. When movies are that long. Yeah. Like, how dare you? I think all romantic comedies should be tight ninety. And if your movie is longer than ninety minutes, it's like you'd better be Francis. Fucking coupla. That's how I feel. I feel like if you're movie is longer than ninety minutes. You have to be a genius. Yeah. Interesting. Marinade on that office marinate. Okay. You're a genius. So you're moving can be as long as you want. Now. I don't know. But but what did you say? Oh, greece. I like the idea that somebody just has to take a break from being entertained. Yeah. They're like anita's ninety. It's just like it's just like okay now, I need some rest, the, okay, let's return to the show. I just I that's fun. It's so great. I don't smoke. I just got a p. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, one of the things is a is an addiction and one of the things is just a bodily process. Yeah. One of the things that when I was in Greece. I watched the passion of the Christ which wasn't a great choice because the movie is in Aramaic and the subtitles were in Greek. I spoke zero of those, but you got it. It's like a panda. Got you just you knew the storyline. Get it like so did Jesus in punches pilot get together at the end. Like, can I say something embarrassing right now that I just realized. Yeah. When you said in Greece. I thought that when you first started talking about in in Greece. You're like they have a lot of intermissions because of the smoking, and I was like. Talk about something. I think about it fun. I I was like in the movie grease, and then I was like oh in the movie, they go to a drive in theater, and there's a break. The go-to. I was like I don't remember that scene in Greece. Oh my God. No. But now, I just realized that Aaron this world traveler, and I'd just like movie musical, I'm just old. And I've done a lot of stuff. All right. The hill that I will on this week. So I recently started doing yoga, and I really enjoyed it. And it's great. But one thing that I have noticed that. I really don't like is that at the end of some classes people will clap don't do not clap at the end of yoga class. Like, I understand that there's certain workout situations where like clapping, it's like soul cycle gay. We did it. It was really hard. That's like part of the experience of soul cycle. I do not need to end a session of yoga in Sabah with someone being like, yeah. We did it. No like clap for yourself. Once you leave the room. I need peace and quiet. I'm focusing on my breath. I am like engaging in the practice of yoga right now and applause is not part of it do not club the interview with a lot of very strong feelings about yoga the last time. I was on this. You were like I don't like sitting still at the end. I I. I I don't like it. And I was like I got hills. I got yoga hills as an Indian person, I got some fucking guilty. I would love to save those Dipper day. I would love to hear your yoga hills. I yeah, I think sitting still in breathing is difficult for me. And I'm trying to taking yoga part of it as I'm trying to learn how to do that. So this is like a multi hill says you it's like you're sitting still in breathing. Now, you're like so stop clapping. Let me focus on staleness. Yeah. There's a multi hill hike for. Yeah. Yeah. It was actually the rest of the season just more hills dying on every single peak. And there's just like my frozen Corp. Like direction the other hikers. This is why I do yoga at home. Okay. If you you do have a cat. No. Oh, well, I do but not at my current apartment. It's with my partner because I'm gonna say I tried to do yoga at home sometimes. But my cat gets very angry and confused by like doing body movements on the floor and just purchase directly underneath. Yeah. A lot of animals have. Yeah. Eleanor does that too. And I try to do it at home. Anyway. All right, then catch heads, the cat thing. We solved. That's all the time. We have for this opposite of hysteria. Dana gin and Karen, thank you so much for hanging out semester. Monica. Thank you for calling in there will be more hysteria next week. Have. Aid gets her gun. Shut down.

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The First and Last Emperor of America

Noble Blood

31:58 min | 2 months ago

The First and Last Emperor of America

"If you love grey's anatomy and station nineteen as much as we do then. You must checkout rebel coming thursdays. Abc inspired by erin. Brockovich is life today. Rebel stars katie. Seagal as a feisty legal advocate who isn't afraid to stand up for the little guy no matter how many rules she has to bend or break along the way and it's from an executive producer of grays and station teen. So you know it will have all the juicy drama that you love. Rebel premieres thursday april eighth at ten nine central on. Abc welcome to no blood. Production of iheartradio and grim mild from aaron minke listener discretion is advised What makes someone a royal. This isn't a loaded or a trick question. I'm actually asking trying to come up with a common sense. Non dictionary definition. Maybe it's easier to start by asking how somebody becomes a royal blood right. Certainly that's the first and easiest way to get into the aristocracy you are literally grandfather and if your ancestors are no in certain country barring a revolution you'll also be a noble. Although even after a revolution. There were plenty of russian aristocrat who fled the country and settled in various european manners and hotel rooms and still call themselves dukes and duchesses what happy without a country. So blood there this but you can also be granted a tidal by a royal or an act of service or greatness or you can marry arroyo. Those are two ways for a commoner to insert his or herself into an already existing system of nobility. You probably won't be the main monarch but you'll still get tight and then there's the coup strategy if you can overthrow a king then you become the king so long as the military and turn foreign powers will accept you so what is the actual common denominator. Then that unites the cousin spouses the servers. What makes them all real royals that ven diagram becomes even harder to reckon with when you add in a country like belgium which imported in a semi random very prince to be their king in eighteen thirty one because they figured that any self respecting independent european country needed a king. It's not necessarily money that makes king. There are plenty of royals who are history rich and cash poor and it certainly not actual power. Just ask any of the present day. Royals who's days consists more of charity events and ceremonial displays than declarations of war. I suppose at its most basic core if you strip away. The factor of historical precedent and focused only on any given moment actually in present a monarch is a figure supported by the people or government financially or otherwise who can offer opinions or proclamations who attend the needs of the people to the best of their ability who served as a uniting symbol. Someone that the government and the people have decided is a monarch with that in mind and only semi ironically in honor of april fools day. I ask you to consider the curious case of emperor norton the first the man who in eighteen fifty nine declared himself to be the emperor of the united states. Most contemporary accounts saw him as an eccentric if they were being polite insane. If they weren't but today now that we've moved past fiefdoms and protectorates maybe the entire notion of royalty of someone being born more worthy of power than somebody else is a little bit insane and they're certainly nothing more american than a man who decided what he wanted to be and then left it. I'm dana schwartz. And this is noble blood. The man who would eventually style himself as emperor norton. I was born in deptford kent present day a part of london on november fourth eighteen eighteen to english jewish parents. There's actually some historical disagreement as to the actual year. That norton was born even his obituary when he died gave his age as quote about sixty five. But from what i've read eighteen. Eighteen seems to be the year with most documented supporting evidence now. The evidence includes the record of norton. Being two years old when his parents moved from england to south africa in eighteen twenty after the napoleonic wars england was facing an unemployment crisis and the government responded by encouraging their citizens to move to england african colony. The promise was wealth and opportunity. Those who traveled there eventually came to be known as the eighteen. Twenty settlers and though the eastern border of the colony never became the densely populated metropolitan area that the british governor in south africa. No doubt vision. It seems that the land provided at least enough stable income for norton's parents to go on to have six more children norton's mother died in eighteen. Forty six and his father died just two years later leaving norton as an orphan in his early thirties. Without an anchor you had no real connection to south africa and we don't have the specific date to confirm when it happened. Most of his siblings didn't make it past infancy. He was his father's sole surviving son. Which meant that. He inherited whatever property was left over after they passed. Morten wasn't ambitious man like his parents. He was willing to cross oceans to chase opportunity. He took his inheritance stopped briefly in south america and then made his way towards that mythical land of gold the american west there was a gold rush happening in california in eighteen forty nine and joshua norton was going to san francisco in almost no time at all norton became a semi prominent businessman. Now this part of norton's life when he first arrived in america is another major point of contention amongst those who study and write about norton's life right after norton's death and obituary asserted that norton had arrived in san francisco with forty thousand dollars. An inheritance from his father. That number has been almost endlessly duplicated in other sources. You'd find sometimes more sensationalist accounts which also go on to declare that norton quickly parlayed that forty thousand dollars using his business acumen into two hundred and fifty thousand dollars but there's not a ton of evidence for those claims although do paint a compelling picture of a man catapulting himself from obscurity to wealth in less than a year in the land of opportunity more detailed biographies imply that norton's father was actually in debt in south africa. Still it's possible that after liquidating his father's business and paying off debts norton still had a decent inheritance and it's more than possible that he turned that inheritance into a hefty profit once he reached california although to me. The two hundred fifty thousand dollar amount seems a little nebulous. It's probably more accurate to say. That by eighteen fifty two norton was a member of the san francisco well to do by association perhaps not as wealthy as most of the other social elite but while liked and certainly well respected but that was a status. That wouldn't last. Long in december of eighteen fifty to china banned the export of their rice in response to a famine. So that its own citizens could afford to eat as you might imagine. That ban of chinese exports caused the price of rice to skyrocket around the rest of the world the staple which usually costs four cents. A pound in san francisco was going for as high as thirty six cents a pound. That's when a business. Acquaintance came into norton's office. The man pulled a handful of rice from his pocket excellent quality. Where did you get that norton asked. There are two hundred thousand pounds of it on board the ship glide sitting in the harbor right now because said the rice came from peru. It's the only rice. San francisco is going to get for a while and definitely the only rice this quality. I'll take the entire shipment. Norton said he bought all two hundred thousand pounds of peruvian rice for twelve cents a pound. He would control the entire market and if all went according to plan he would make a massive profit It's probably not a surprise. If i say things didn't go. According to plan northern was all set to make tidy profit until several more shipments of peruvian rice arrived in port over the next few days by the very next week there was so much rice from peru in san francisco that the price was lowered to two cents a pound and to make matters worse. The two hundred thousand pounds of rice from the glide norton had purchased was small hard terrible quality. Nothing like the beautiful handful of rice glimmered like pearls. His acquaintances hand the rice that had tempted him into what was promised to assure fire. Investment norton was ruined. He claimed that he was missed. Leg by the business associate and tried to void his contract and began a lengthy legal battle norton one in lower courts but eventually the california supreme court ruled against him if the payment for the two hundred thousand pounds of low-quality overpriced rice hadn't already been enough to ruin him. The legal fees took what was left norton's holdings were foreclosed on norton declared bankruptcy fed up and exasperated by the american judicial system in eighteen. Fifty eight. He was living as a pauper in a cheap san francisco boardinghouse. Paying by the week alongside degenerates and the impoverished. There's no record of what norton did while he was licking his wounds hiding from the society. Folks who had a recently been his friends he was a proud man and he remained in seclusion until he was ready to be reborn on september. Seventeen eighteen fifty nine. A proclamation was printed in the san francisco daily evening bulletin it read at the peremptory request of a large majority of the citizens of these united states. I joshua norton formerly of alcoa bay cape of good hope. And now for the past nine years and ten months of san francisco california declare and proclaim myself emperor of these us and in virtue the authority thereby in me vested do hereby order and direct the representatives of different states of the union to assemble in the musical of this city on the first day of february next then and there to make such alterations in the existing laws of the union as may ameliorate the eagles under which the country is laboring and thereby caused confidence to exist both at home and abroad in our stability and integrity that meeting of all the states at the musical hall. It never happened but nor wasn't entirely wrong about the troubling direction that the american political system was heading into we were a year away from abraham lincoln being elected president and it would be a year after that that the civil war would begin norton solid fractures in this country the deep roots of racism and division amongst people. He figured an emperor would be just the thing to fix us. He had delivered his typewritten proclamation to newspaper offices around the city in person he was a large man more stocky than tall behind thick mustache and full gear. He had small sharp is and a complexion. That verged on ready. His hair was dark and curly but almost always hidden beneath a beaver hat. Although eventually will take to wearing the sunken flat soft cap of a union soldier along with the rest of a blue union uniform norton purchase. These uniforms from pawnshops usually left behind by union. Deserters over time norton's uniform gradually became more elaborate he was gifted gold plated epaulettes that he affixed to his clothing whenever he wanted to look particularly regal and his hat would come to house a peacock. Feather and a rosette sometimes norton walked around the san francisco streets with a cane. His politics were progressive. His first proclamation after announcing himself of course was to dismiss the governor of virginia. For hanging the abolitionist. John brown norton would go on to demand that african americans be permitted to attend public schools and ride public. Streetcars and that chinese people be permitted to testify in court. Quote the eyes of the emperor. We'll be upon anyone who shall council any outrage or wrong on the chinese. I'm burnt norton. Wrote and with respect to native americans norton wrote that any parties connected with frauds against the quote indian tribes. Were to be punished before council of as many native american chiefs as could be assembled though. His words didn't make much of a political impact in san francisco. At least it didn't take long for him for norton to gain massive attention as a popular figure. A figure who captured the public imagination and became something of a citywide mascot just two years after norton appeared on the scene. A new theatre in san francisco opened with a comic opera written and staged about him called norton the first or emperor for day citizens delighted seeing him in public especially if he happened to be accompanied by two of san francisco's other most famous dozens. Beloved street dogs bummer. And lazarus industrialist leland stanford who was the president of the central railroad clocked norton's popularity and saw an opportunity to gain some good. Pr help dispel his robber. Baron reputation stanford gave norton a free pass for all of his train. Routes in california norton lived off of goodwill donations and deals throughout the city. Most pubs offered a free lunch with the purchase of a drink but norton typically eight at the bank exchange. Were you could get a free lunch of soup. Salmon roast beef potatoes bread and cheese. All with the purchase of a brandy. Smash for just twenty five cents. His clothes were shabby visibly secondhand. And if friends from his former life tried to help him norton would be willing to take fifty cent pieces but only because he referred to them as taxes and recorded them dutifully in a notebook that he always carried with him. He's actually secretly incredibly wealthy. Went the gossip on the streets. Didn't you hear he's a millionaire. He only accepts charity and lives the way he does because he's very cheap. It's all a ruse. Yes i've heard that candidate typical response. Did you know. He's actually the secret son of louis napoleon. When napoleon invaded mexico norton gave himself an additional title protector of mexico. Despite the fact that there's no evidence that norton iverson foot in mexico at any point during his life one brief side. More if you happen to have listened to my noble blood episode about maximilian and carlotta of mexico. you'll know that norton didn't do such a great job as protector. All the while norton continued to issue decrees that were published by newspapers. A proclamation that the democratic and republican parties were to be abolished a demand that sacramento clean up the mud on its streets and installed gaslight on the street leading to the capitol building and a very forward thinking idea that a bridge or tunnel should be built to connect to san francisco to oakland when norton second hand uniform began to fall apart. The san francisco board of supervisors bought him a new one in response. Norton sent a formal. Thank you letter. And issued every member of the board quote a patent of nobility in perpetuity newspapers particularly the daily alta. California recognized what a boon and burnt norton was to circulation numbers. He was aged central comic figure to the tapestry of the city. People loved him and so in short time. Certain newspapers began using norton's name and notoriety to make editorial jokes about political situations writing phony proclamations supposedly by hatton. It's under these circumstances that one of the most widely shared proclamations supposedly by norton was issued in eighteen. Seventy two quote. Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word frisco which has no linguistic or other warrant shall deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor and shall pay into the imperial treasury as penalty the sum of twenty five dollars charming and a good reminder never to call to an francisco frisco but probably not actually written by emperor norton because emperor norton was almost from the outset of favourable larger than life a living mitt it can be difficult to parse out the truth in his history. As opposed to stories that were merely urban legends. That cast a colorful folk hero in the leading role. There's also the question as to whether well i'm burnt. Norton was mentally unwell. He seemed to genuinely believe that he was the emperor of the united states. The eighteen seventy census lists his occupation sensibly as emperor but also added the note that he was insane. The famous writer mark twain was living in san francisco for several years during emperor norton's rain and entwined column for the daily morning call. He wrote of norton quote. Oh dear it was always a painful thing for me to see the emperor begging for though nobody else believed he wasn't emperor he believed in eighteen. Sixty seven a man named armand barbier. Who was working as part of a civilian security policing force arrested norton and tried to have him involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility. The outrage was loud and instant the daily alta wrote an article with the headline arrest of the emperor which read quote special officer. Barbie yesterday arrested the emperor norton the first and took him to the calo boost to be examined by the commissioner of lunacy. Norton was in his day a respectable merchant and since he has worn the imperial purple he has shed no blood robbed and nobody and despoiled the country of no one which is more than can be said for any of his fellows in that line within a day. The san francisco chief of police himself personally. Granted norton's release and issued a formal apology which norton graciously accepted. Norton graciously granted. An imperial pardon to barbie who norton understood was only trying to do his job. The daily autism article about his release red honorably discharged his imperial majesty nor in the first who was arrested as a lunatic on monday night stay ended in the altar was promptly discharged from custody as soon as the facts of the arrest for made known to the proper authorities. Yesterday he called the property. Clerk's desk received back the key of the palace and the imperial funds amounting to four dollars seventy five cents of lawful money of the united states from that day on whenever police saw and burnt norton walking through the streets of san francisco in his uniform hat. They saluted norton was a fixture of the city riding trains. Trolleys ferries attending sessions of the state legislature university lectures and occasionally traveling across california to inspect military troops. Norman also issued his own currency from fifty cents to ten dollars which was happily accepted by the restaurants that he frequently patrons earns norton was so famous and beloved in the city. Businesses would gleefully declare themselves as the emperor's favourite to gain publicity. Emperor norton rained for over. Twenty years traveling. The city writing his proclamations on typewriters the city library greeding any small dogs were children. Who came his way with a smile and declaring any child who met him to be king or queen for a day but then on january eighteen eighty norton was on his way to a lecture at the california academy of sciences when he collapsed on the corner of what is now california street and grand avenue. A policeman happened to be nearby and he rushed to get norton carriage to the hospital but it was too late. Norton had a stroke and he died almost instantly as it turns out all of the rumors of the emperor. Having secret wealth were unfounded. When the authorities went through his belongings. They found only six dollars in small change and no personal belongings value. Although there was one. Fake letter from alexander. The second of russia congratulating norton on his impending marriage to queen victoria over the years norton had sent numerous letters to the queen of england proposing that they unite their empires through matrimony. Although rudely victoria never responded norton was going to be buried in a simple redwood box until the people of san francisco decided that he deserved a proper burial. The pacific club issued a subscription list to sponsors who donate that list. Supposedly is still available to see in their clubroom. Norton was buried in a rosewood casket and his funeral. Procession was over two miles long with as many as ten thousand people lining the streets to pay their final respects. Norton lived on in literature. Mark twain's most famous novel. The adventures of huckleberry finn includes two con artists who call themselves the duke and the in the latter pretending to be the descendant of the dead doe phone louis the seventeen to france although those characters are antagonists wiley not merely eccentric but actually nefarious. They were nevertheless inspired by the emperor. But i find a more fitting literary description of emperor norton in the games graphic novel series. The sandman in the story. Three septembers and january. If you haven't read sandman yet please put it on your list immediately in the series despair dream delirium desire and death are all semi living characters. Immortal siblings called the endless in the comic after norton fails as businessman. He is a victim of despair until dream arrives and gives him be dream of him being an emperor. It's that dream that keeps them from going mad. He ought to be mine but he isn't. Is he delirium asks. He's so sane except about being the emperor of course his madness keeps him saying at the end of the issue. When death comes grandpa norton. The two of them walk away side-by-side. i've met a lot of kings and emperors and heads of state in my time joshua death says to him. I've met them all and you know something. I think i liked you best. That's the story of emperor. 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Her family sometimes has to fend for themselves. It's feisty it's funny and it's from an executive producer of grey's anatomy station nineteen so you know there's gonna be lots of juicy drama especially between rebel and the men in her life including andy garcia and john corbett. Sign me up. Rebel premieres april eighth at ten nine central after station. Nineteen and grays so basically. Your thursday nights are totally taken care of thanks. Abc eventually after norton staff. There was a bridge belts between san francisco and oakland. The bay bridge built in one thousand nine hundred thirty six fifty six years after norton's death since then. There have been multiple campaigns to rename the bridge in his honor. another little bit of interesting norton. 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Piers Gaveston, the King's Favorite

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Piers Gaveston, the King's Favorite

"One quick note before we start we now have no blood merge i am so excited about all of it personally i cannot wait for my pins and monks to come in the mail. The link for the store is in the episode description and pinned on the noble blood twitter account and as always just a quick reminder. You can also support the show on patriot on if you want. Access to bibliographic episode scripts and other fun bonus content but of course the best support you can give to. The show is just listening. And i am so grateful for you. Let's get started. Welcome to noble blood. Production of iheartradio and grim mild from aaron minke listener discretion is advised The bearing of lancaster and the baron of warwick walk demand with ropes around his wrists. The top of a hill on a warm june warning the to baron's were quiet as they walked listening to the monotonous deadening pace of their footsteps in the grass. The prisoner was also silent. No tears no begging same as it had been during his trial just a few days prior at warwick castle where a handful of other nobles had condemned the prisoner to death. The word trial is loosely. Applied here there was no judge. No representation for the defendant. They said that the charge was disobeying. The terms of an ordinance they had agreed upon with the king but everyone involved knew what the real charge was being the king's favourite occupying all of his attention receiving an endless stream of his money and his favor. King edward. The second was devoted to this man in a way that he never was to anyone else in his life. Not even his what everyone knew who the real love of the king's life was and so pierce galveston first earl of cornwall. With sentenced to death. There were two men on the hill to do. The actual execution one took a sword. And i ran it through galveston stomach and then hold it back out with the sickening squish. They all waited until galveston fell to the grass and then his head was sliced off. The men who were still alive looked away from the mangled body and began walking back down the hill towards home galveston's body was left outside for the elements without a burial to decompose in the grass and be picked at by the birds and rodents happening by. He was twenty eight years old at the time of his death. King edward the second would be furious demented with rage and grief when he heard that his love pierce galveston had been murdered by the barons but his options when it came to retaliation were limited. The barons had been filling in the vacuum of power. Left by the weak and ineffectual king building their own private armies. The king's own wife queen. Isabella had been watching it all unfold for years and she had her own ideas for how the country should be run and she was about to meet a man who would help her with her coup. Her heart had been broken by king. Who never cared about her at all. She could at least take a country out from under him. I'm dana schwartz. And this is noble blood. According to the chronicle of the civil wars of edward the second the first time the future king edward the second saw pierce galveston. He tied himself to him against all mortals with an indissoluble. Bond of love. It was twelve ninety seven pierce galveston was a teenager. The son of a knight from gasol who had joined the army of king edward the first to fight in flanders. The king saw the young boy particularly handsome but also particularly graceful and well mannered. He embodied the values for a young man at the time when it came to bearing and mail conduct and so the king appointed the young man to join his sons household to join the staff of the prince of wales and hopefully to serve as a good example. The king was a little worried about his son. Edward the second seemed to gravitate towards activities associated with the lower class like rowing and the menial hypnotic work of farmhands like hedging and ditching around fields. But when edward the second wasn't playing far manned he seemed spoilt a wealthy dilettante. He played the oregon and a welsh. String instrument known as a cruise which is spelled. I kid you not see our w. t. h. The welsh language does not mess around the prince. Bred horses and greyhounds. He kept a camel and a pet lion that he insisted on bringing with them on a campaign. You went on in scotland with his father. All events to say he needed good upper-class boys in his household to model good courtly behavior for him when galveston arrived to the princess household they were about the same age galveston may have been one or two years older but from that point on the two young men were inseparable. It was love in every sense of the word they rode together. Walk together talked together play together. It was no secret with whom the prince was spending all his time and the prince was already working. Hard to elevate galveston's position in the household. He was designated associates or anion rather than what one might have expected which was for him to be a screwdriver or an esquire. The two men were so close. The king wanted to punish his son or loudly voicing his disparaging opinion about the bishop chester. He did so by exiling peers galveston to france. Galveston was still granted a salary while he was away. Quote for as long as he shall remain in parts beyond the sea during the king's pleasure and waiting for recall edward. The second was bur- raft. You wrote a letter to assist sister. Elizabeth hoping that she could talk to their stepmother and get hurt intercede with the king to bring galveston back. We would be greatly relieved of the anguish which we have endured edward the second wrote and from which we continue to suffer from one day to the next eventually the king forgave his sons trespasses when the prince was knighted galveston was returned to his household like of graduation gifts and in thirteen. O six the two boys both accompanied the king on an army expedition to scotland to follow up on a victory over robert. The bruce. if you've seen braveheart. I please note that it is only history in the loosest possible sense but this is also around the time period. Where is supposed to have happened. Edward the second. Father is edward. The i of course also known as long shanks edward. The second in the movie braveheart is portrayed as effeminate gay so now might be a good time to take a brief break from the story to discuss the ways. We talk about homosexuality when it comes to history especially history as far back as the fourteenth century a lot of preeminent queer theorists and scholars disagree as to whether it's useful or helpful to call someone like edward the second gay when that isn't how he would have identified himself or really how anyone at the time would have characterized him but to me it also feels like a useless exercise to tie ourselves into knots as some writers do trying to paint edward the second and pierce galveston as best bros. The fact of the matter is the textual evidence is that edward and galveston had a relationship that went beyond the normal courtly affection between two men at the time something that was noted and observed contemporaneously albeit obliquely as peter ackroyd rate in his book queer history their relationship emphasizes that fine perhaps nonexistent line between camaraderie and same sex. Love as we've come to see in the sort of florid for trails of courtly love between men in the fourteenth century and beyond edward the second in galveston would go on to have a formal relationship as wetted brethren a union that would have been solemnised before an altar in church. I suppose the apt comparison there is something like them being blood brothers but again how disingenuous to pretend that this is a story about to rose who were such close bros. That they decided to kneel in church side by side to show what pros they are. An anonymous writer of contemporary biography wrote quote. I do not remember to have heard that one man so loved another are king was incapable of moderate favor and on account of pierce was said to forget himself. And so pierce was accounted a sorcerer. At the time sourcerer was coded language for someone who engaged in homosexual acts an allegation put more explicitly by cistercian monk who wrote of edward the second and please forgive my latin or lack thereof in veto sodomy chico new medium delectable or he wallowed in sodomy edward. The second would go on to father. Five children one illegitimate more than fulfilling his duty with his wife of providing the country with a male heir but a king doing his duty to provide an air can sort of be considered an endeavour completely disparate for my ideas of love or companionship. So i think we should resist the temptation to as i saw one less than reputable internet analysis do celebrate edward the second as the first bisexual king of england. That terminology simply doesn't hold the same meaning. It does today when applied to seven hundred years ago and so personally. I agree with the historians who don't quite see that sort of formal denomination as particularly useful in this case. I do find it helpful just to remember that. Even though he lived in the thirteen. Hundred's edward the second was human being. He was a human being who fell deeply and madly in love with a man and that relationship would be the central one for almost his entire life and that love would eventually lead to both of their downfalls though the king had restored galveston to his sons household. The reunion wouldn't last long after the campaign. In scotland the army set up camp for the winter in lanner coast near the english border that winter. Twenty two prominent nights including galveston left camp without permission to sail to france for a series of tournaments. When the men returned they found that the king had confiscated all of their lands in anger at their disobedience. Eventually the king calm down he realized it was just a youthful indiscretion and all of the knights were forgiven and pardoned all of the knights except galveston out of the twenty two men. Only galveston was banished. Once again forced to leave the country the exact reason for galveston uniquely. Harsh punishment isn't known. But it's possible that the king wanted his son to move on from his teenage crush so that he could be ready for his new bride incoming from france king edward. The i had arranged for his son to marry isabella daughter of philip the fourth or philip the fair when she was just two years old now that she was twelve. It was finally time to make good on that betrothed though in case you were wondering edward the second was twenty three but before the wedding actually took place edward the i died suddenly and so the prince ascended to the throne as king edward the second the first thing edward it is king was bring back galveston and grant him impressive title of earl of cornwall. It wasn't unheard of for a king to give a lower born gentleman such a grand title but given the nature of the king's relationship with galveston it narrowed some is especially because before the late king died. He had been planning on giving data earldom to one of his sons by his second wife. The earldom was supposed to go to a prince. And here comes this new king giving it to an upstart son of a night the new king also set galveston up with a well-placed wife of his own margaret declared sister be earl of glouster an edwards niece galveston was also appointed regent temporarily while edward went to france to marry his own bread. The thirteen year old isabella. The wedding in france went right is planned and so young isabella accompanied her new husband. Back to england where they would have another wedding ceremony and their official coronations as queen and king of england. They arrived back on the shores of dover on a cold february afternoon and that very moment would doom their entire marriage who was waiting on the shore for the new king and his new bride. Then the real love of the king's life pierce galveston as soon as he set foot to grass. The king ran towards his lover. Laughing and crying wjm braced for a long time. They kissed all the while thirteen year. Old isabella of standing there chilled by the february air and the wind whipping up from the sea watching her new husband so deeply and so clearly in love with the person that wasn't her at their coronation galveston took most of the attention. To the shock of nearly everyone there. He arrived wearing purple. A color meant to be worn by only the king. An onlooker noted that he looked more like the god mars than a mere mortal at the banquet afterward. The king spent the entire night perched on galveston small couch gazing up into his eyes laughing and flirting with him. The king barely so much as acknowledged his new bride. The scene was so outrageous that two of isabella's uncles left. The party in disgust life. As the new queen of england was miserable for isabella. She was young all alone and her husband constantly humiliated her with his lack of affection. And vert love for galveston. She wrote to her father. King philip the fair that she was being treated poorly the money that was supposed to be to her by her. New husband seemed to be slow coming. While there was never any shortage for whatever extravagance pierce galveston wanted the jewels that isabella's father had presented to the king as part of her dowry. We're being freely shared between the king and galveston. Isabella also told her father that the barons of england were getting fed up as well but they hate it galveston and the kings outright favoritism that there were rumors the galveston had cruel little nicknames. For all of them that he used behind their backs the beloved earl of lincoln galveston called burst belly and the earl of warwick was quote. The black dog of arden king edward. The seconds untamed affections for this man were making him and england vulnerable in thirteen. O eight great barons of england demanded that the king send peers into exile faced directly by the displeasure of his nobles. The king agreed exile. Also meant that he was forced to strip galveston's earldom but the king compensated for it by immediately appointing galveston. As the king's lieutenant in ireland and edward. The second was king. He did have some power and he assumed that the barons would settle down and so a year later when he assumed things would have calmed a bit he brought galveston back to england. He was wrong. Things had not calm down by march thirteen ten. The barons were all but threatening civil war if the king refused to sit down with them and the goshi it what to do about the galveston problem with his hands tied. Edward the second agreed to create an organization. Called the lord's ordained there's a group of twenty one earls barons and bishops. Who would agree on the rules. When it came to managing the king's household the ordains came up with a number of new rules including once again exile for the king's favourite when faced with a group of angry no goals some of whom had spent the better part of the past few years assembling private. He's the king found. He had very little actual power. He bargained saying he would agree to all of the rules except the banishment of galveston. The nobles refused him and so for the third and final time galveston was formerly banished from england. It would only be a few months before the king decreed that your diners were actually operating illegally. That the proclamations didn't mean anything so that he could bring galveston back but the nobles would refuse to back down which meant that. As soon as galveston was back in england he and the king were now on the run from the king's own nobleman while fleeing the earl of lancaster in may of thirteen twelve. The king was forced to leave most of his retinue baggage behind. So that he could travel light and avoid capture so at newcastle. He abandoned his jewels and plate. You abandon several valuable warhorses and various assorted trappings. Anti also abandoned. his wife. who was five months pregnant. At were the second only concern was galveston galveston fortified himself at scarborough castle where he was besieged by the earls of pembroke and work. It was around this time. That galveston was also excommunicated by the archbishop wind. Sleep at saint. Pauls the nobles meant war the siege ended with galveston surrendering to the earl of pembroke on the condition that they would negotiate with the king for an acceptable course of action and have until august first to do it pembroke agreed and he took galveston into his custody to getting to in banbury where he'd be kept until they finalized their deal with the king. Pembroke guaranteed his safety and word was sent down to the king who of course immediately began writing north but then pembroke spent a weekend away with a cousin and whether it was purposeful or just an unfortunate coincidence galveston was left unguarded when the earl of war occurred that the hated galveston was so close he sprung into action and captured him himself. He brought the king's favourite back to work in chains. Parading him through the streets like a common feats while the crowd jeered at him and made obscene gestures before the king could even finish his travels the earls completed a quick sham trial and brought pierce galveston to black low hill were to welsh executioners were ready to kill him by running him through i with the sword and then by cutting off his head his body was left to rot on the hell. Galveston being excommunicated at the time meant that he couldn't have a proper christian burial. Although the king did immediately begin fighting to cover the body and give his love the resting place he thought he deserved galveston body was eventually rescued and embalmed and buried in the american fiery at kings langley inherited share. But it wouldn't be until eighteen. Twenty three that a local squire would erect a monument for pierce galveston which would read under his name. Quote the minion of a hateful king beheaded by barons lalas as himself. According to that squire there were no heroes in this story. The king mourned deeply and no during the following period. He would sire heirs with his wife. His heart never recovered from the loss of his greatest. Love the man he had spent thirteen years. You would eventually nearly a decade later. Find a new favorite. A man named hugh dispenser the younger unlike pierce galveston who had been relatively moderate in his spending and not too keen when making what good it did him. You dispenser was shameless. He spent wildly and it wasn't long before the nobles were calling him another galveston. The queen for her part despised dispenser. Here was another young upstart. Not only taking her husband's attention again. Flaunting it it goes without saying that. The king's treatment of his wife hadn't improved since the first time they set foot on english soil together once her household had been fleeing scottish army and her husband had so da on sending support that it led to her just barely escaping with her life queen. Isabella eventually persuaded her husband to let her go to france to negotiate with her brother. Who was by then the king. It was while she was at french court that she met a man. Named roger mortimer a formerly powerful english lord would been forced to flee the country after a failed rebellion against edward the second the friendship between the queen and mortimer deepened when it was revealed that they had a common goal removing edward from thrown the two became lovers and eventually mortimer led an expedition that would see the pair of them. Successfully seized control of the english throne dispenser was captured and found guilty on more charges than he could answer for. He knew that execution was coming to him and at that execution would be grim and so before his verdict. He'd been trying to starve himself to death but it didn't work and he was right about the execution being grin so if you're a little squeamish about gore you might want to fast forward About thirty seconds the kings new favorite was dragged through the streets naked and publicly humiliated with men writing bible verses on his skin bible verses about the many sins of which he had been formally accused dispenser was to be hanged combinator but the news was released before he was fully as exceeded and so still breathing but only barely dispenser was tied to a ladder and a red hot blade was used to slice off from there. He was beheaded and drawn and quartered is head was mounted on the gates of london. King edward the second was captured soon afterward and forced to abdicate in favour of his young son. Edward the third who would be king in name only as queen. Isabella and roger mortimer ruled as regions in his stead while captured and imprisoned edward died. Either of mysterious or more likely at the behest of the new regime the rumor with not much factual behind it. But the rumor. That's plenty colorful is that he was killed by guards in a way that wouldn't show much damage to the outside of his body. Another warning here. I'm going to say this. As delicately as i can buy shoving a flaming hot poker up his rear end but that detail lurid as it is maybe an example of historical embellishment meant to emphasize the gossip around the kings relationships and proclivities but that rumor in itself is evidence that the kings relationships were explicitly. Sexual no one ever shoves a red hot poker up. Someone's but because they're upset that he's such close platonic grows with another man. That's the tragic story of pierce galveston and king edward. The second but stick around after a brief sponsor break to hear more about what happened with queen isabella The third eventually came of age and overthrew the regency of roger mortimer and queen. isabella roger. Mortimer was killed but graciously. Edward third spared the life of his mother. The queen was briefly imprisoned but then allowed to live in a palace just away from court edward. The third did one more thing to honor the memory of his father. The man whom he could scarcely remember but who had been so deeply betrayed by his wife and fellow countrymen when queen is dyed her son edward the third had something wrapped in linen and buried alongside her. It was king. Edward the second embalmed heart the thing that had caused so much trouble and strife and pain at last for the first time and only in debt would queen. Isabella finally have it. Noble blood is a production of iheartradio and grim. And mild from airing minke. 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I'm Erin Ryan this week, the number one Elissa master Monico of all time, joins to discuss what's been on our minds a lot this week, a new smattering of anti-choice laws in states, like, Alabama Missouri and Ohio and what we can do about it. Now, then Megan gaily Dana Schwartz and grace Parr joined in studio to talk about how reproductive health care is something that affects all of us every day, and how men can help participate in the fight against going full Handmaid's. And finally, as always far hills. Everybody thinks for tuning in a little bit of housekeeping before we get started, if you want to submit a hill. Diane record thirty second voice memo on your phone, and send it to hysteria at crooked dot com. You can also send other correspondents to us that way. But I'm not the only one that checks that Email Caroline checks to so love notes and hate mail should go to our personal accounts, or straight in the trash, depending on, you know, how we're feeling that day. Merch is in the works and I'm biased. But it's really great. We were just having Email exchange about it yesterday. I know it's a slow process. I know a lot of you guys want stickers and shirts in onesies, and I've gotten a lot of suggestions, but I swear to you, it's coming and you're gonna love it. I'm trying to new thing where I give a shout out to a special trip listeners this week. I want to give a shout out to people who are old enough to remember a world before Roe v. Wade, we need you to bear witness, what we're fighting against and we're really flat. You're here a note about today's episode. We spend a lot of time on here, getting pretty personal about an issue that is for people who have uteruses both personal and frustratingly publicly abortion, all the women you hear on the show today. Agreed in advance that this was important to them, and all of the people identifiable in their stories have given permission to have their stories. The used finally, if you like what you're hearing, and, you know, somebody else, who you think would like it to please recommend us to your friends and rate and review, I tunes, it helps people find the podcast. Let's get started. Hey. Well, you just sounded like a robot for a second because Skype, what funny did I? Yeah. You're like no, I, I, but robot robo v Wade are e sorry, I'm sorry. I can't leave funny. No, you know what? I don't feel funny. I feel depressed. Yeah. It's not great. You know, we all understand. It's not great. Right. You just hope that there'd be like a week that isn't punctuated with something knock great like, we just have a mediocre week where we can get our Mojo back. Well, here's something mediocre about this week in Alzheimer's of the word it, the hundredth anniversary this week of the house of representatives passing the nineteenth amendment advancing closer to ratification, a woman's right to vote, a white woman's right to vote. Right. A white woman's right to vote after it had a history. You know, to be fair, the women's rights movement. The women's suffrage movement had a very checkered past when it came to elevating white women's voices at the expense of women of. Color racing advocates of color, and sort of generally being racist and bad. But the other end of it was women got the right to vote and it wasn't until the Civil Rights Act that women of color, secured that right to vote. And now there are more women in congress than there's ever been in a lot of them are women of color. So the end result of a sort of ugly process was. Yea kinda yet. And you know, maybe for the next year because it was passed in nineteen nineteen. Right. But it was enacted in nineteen twenty so for the next year, let's find sort of semi. Yes, stories to go with the hashtag women's vote, one hundred semi gay. Sounds great. All right. It's a weird confluence of events that we have the nineteenth amendments hundredth anniversary happening in the same week. When all of these abortion bans are advancing through different state houses, or passing through different state houses, so far and jump in, if I miss one, we have Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, please go ahead. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, Utah, Missouri Mississippi. I believe, and by the time the, by the time is episode airs, you know, God knows God knows where else wasn't there. Also something in North Dakota. There's always something in fucking, North Dakota lit alley always map earlier today. Oh, good. Good elicit. Don't look at maps before ten AM. That's a good rule for happiness, just avoid maps in very early morning. Our you know, me alma map for. You totally are. Karcher graphically inclined, you know, hard, same. When I used to go on family vacations, I would look at maps, but they weren't maps that we're lit up with states that were assaulting my right? To what happens inside my body. They were just regular maps. It was all good back then. Yeah. It was just roads and towns and exits and no, no ways or anything like that. But, you know, in, in response to all of these bands people people don't take too kindly to it. There's been a pretty big response there haven't been yesterday or Tuesday this week. There were thousands of people who protested across the country, New York, there was one there was one in LA in. No, there was one in Indianapolis, because Megan Galea's mom was involved in that one, which is really great. Can I shout out the great one that was in Nebraska? Yes. Like member during the women's March, and they said, they're like, oh, you know, the one hundred women turned out, but it turned out like the population of the town was only four hundred people, and you're like, wow, by population density. That's a fucking showing that's all. There was a really robust one in Nebraska. And I was stoked to see it. That's great. I think one thing that's happened over the course of this last, I guess, how many years has been feels like a million, but I guess almost four years now since two thousand fifteen cents Trump declared his candidacy of women who are in red states are in red towns have learned that they're very much not alone. And there's a whole community of them, and they all care, very deeply, and I feel like they've been a little bit emboldened to come together and show themselves in that. I find very encouraging to the little bright spot. I agree. I agree. You know what? All right. That's a glass half full. Yeah. That's a glass half. Full. I'll take it. I was also thinking yesterday. I wonder how, how many people were there just reuse protest signs from the last protest. And like if there's a place where they just put their protests, sign like next to their umbrella before they leave the house just in case. Okay. It's a protest and say that I will post later might protest sign is in our spare his in our guest room. Oh, nice. There's out the ready. You're like. Fire ready? It is. Man. Well, another way that people are coming up against the action in these unfortunate states. Hollywood is making moves. Kristen wigs new comedy pulled production out of Georgia in response to the law in Georgia. Yes. And there's another show. I think the power the station of the book of power power. Yeah. The power is a book about women who suddenly wake up with the ability to, like shoot electric city from their hands and men don't have the ability, so it's about kind of an upending of the power structure of the world. So it'd probably be a little ironic if they continued to film in Georgia given recent events, other states like Vermont your beloved, Vermont, not not your home state, but an adopted sort of it isn't adopted. It's an adopted third home. Yeah. Wow. Vermont passed a law designed to strengthen access to choice this week. They were there working on getting something through that would make it the most choice, protecting state in the country and other people with large platforms, including a lot of men are speak. Up in solidarity with women, which I found very encouraging. I think it's that famous men are speaking up. And that are joining us because this isn't just our issue. And here's can say like a quick differentiation because people get real torqued up about this on Twitter. Yeah, there's a difference between men coming out to support you and saying, I agree you deserve this, this should be protected and like then men, sort of acting as they've walked in your shoes. The ladder is not okay. The former we want to as much as humanly possible of. Yeah, absolutely. But my question about this. Listen, we've talked about this a little bit yesterday, when we were on our like texting frenzy, I was like one ended text texting in the grocery store, which is my favorite way to texts. But is this all too late? So I was worrying that it's too late. We'll just that the sequencing of things is hard right like the Alabama happens. And then we're protesting like the protests need to happen. But does it have any sort of, like halo effect? Right. And I definitely think that it does even though yesterday I was a bit. Like I was giving myself that like one monocle emoji like wrong. This is hominy. And, and I do think that, you know, people today were energized. I feel like if nothing else coming together with a bunch of people who feel the same way you do makes you not alone and look right now. All Donald Trump wants to do is feel alone. And so, I did feel that yesterday was like a very good like fuck dot this kind of moment. Yeah, I think it's definitely important for us to get altogether. But the, the issue that I have is like all of these states are passing these laws now with the intent that they'll get sued all the way up to the supreme court, and they believe that the supreme court will take it because there's enough Justice is now there's enough conservative judges that can can decide to take a case and that. Row will be overturned. So I had because we did talk about this. I want a bit down the Google rabbit hole last night, because I'm like, what the fuck and I found something that was very encouraging specifically as it relates to Alabama. Are you ready for it? I always okay. So last year, and I got this from Joyce fans who is in MSNBC contributor, but signed lumber I love HUD, former attorney these attorney district attorney whatever she has. She's very important sparked. And she told the story that made me feel good, which was that in Alabama a year or so ago, a something not as extreme as this, but a case similar to this made it swayed the eleventh circuit, which is the federal court that hears, Alabama cases and the court determined. It didn't have the ability to reverse Roe v. Wade though in the descent they said they fundamentally. Disagree with Roe v. Wade, right? So these cats wanted to overturn it, but we're like like, in their in their political, or ideological, you know, dark centers, but we're like you know what we just straight up can't do this. And the reason that it made me feel good. But then also something that we're always looking for actions. Right. So the, the reason that this is so important is because Trump so many people say, Trump is supercharging the courts. Right. He is appointing some of the most radical ideological jurists to the bench. And so we all have to be, hyper vigilant and reading our local papers every day to see what judges are being nominated because people if they raise their voices this is like a proactive thing, we can do before shits way up the creek is that you can call your senators. Congressman, and you can say this person is. A hell no. And be heard. And you may have an impact. So I thought that was good. Yeah. I think that's really important. I also think that that's something that brings me comfort in the supreme court fight is, I think about Planned Parenthood versus Casey, and that attitude of the eleventh Circuit Judge that you just mentioned reminded me of Sandra Day O'Connor is attitude, when she joined the liberal, justices in defending row in, in the Planned Parenthood versus Casey ruling, which actually is the is the I guess, the kind of legal status that determines what states can do right now not row because Planned Parenthood versus Casey is like pre you know undue burden on all that lane. Team ninety two Ryan nineteen Ninety-two. Yeah. That was pre baiter Ginsburg that was a long time ago. Kennedy was on the court. I it was it was a long time ago, but it was at the time, I think eight of the justices had been appointed by Republicans brand, and it was just it seemed hopeless, but the people that were conservative on the court. That joined the liberals were. Basically, like yeah. I don't like this. But I don't think we can overturn it because women have come to rely on it. And it's just not something that the court is, is going to do, so we can hope that happens. But in the meantime, I wanna pivot to looking ahead to something a little bit more hopeful and talk about the democratic presidential candidates in their response to this. So so far Kirsten gillibrand Amy klobuchar Kamla Harris Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker to Castro Beto Aurora at the CNN townhall last night. He had actually really he was really good at about using he was very good. And I do have something separate about that. We'll we'll get to at the end. Okay. Bernie Sanders has always been a approach voice. And he's condemned it. And Joe Biden came out and said congress needed to actually codify abortion rights earlier this week, which was surprise move from diamond Joe, but I was pleased, yes. I was pleased who are your favorite. What are your favorite democratic responses to this, which democratic candidates do think have the most comprehensive idea of? A concrete way to protect choice. So, I honestly think look, I everybody coming out and saying hell no, this gold star, one of my favourite responses, though, so far which has been from behind her desk is one of my Senate faves. Maisy Hirono from the great state of Hawaii. She just kind of went on this very smart rant. And just like the thing that's beautiful about her is that she's not running for president, so she can literally say whatever the fuck she wants. And so I really enjoyed I really enjoyed her. But I think look, I mean cure Ston has been Senator gillibrand has been on the forefront of this issue since the beginning of time. Right. And so I do you know I appreciate everyone's running for president now. I do think she gets special props because she is one hundred percent been putting herself out there for women's rights and opportunity equality, and especially things like paid family leave since she came into office. So I say, I'm I have to say she's. Kind of my front runner right now. Warren put out a pretty comprehensive plan to she's still ladies planned. Got a plan. Ladies got a plan, so Biden kind of surprised me this week when he came out against the Hyde amendment, which is a law that is forty three years old now. And it prohibited. Yeah. It really you're forty three. You look great three. Thank you. Great. Yeah. The Hyde amendment, however, does not look great because it prohibits Medicaid recipients from using their benefits to obtain elective abortions. There are exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. But it's, it's a, it's a law that basically keeps poor women from accessing choice, which is kind of archaic isn't an archaic law. But in response to Biden and, and beta Aurora also took a stance against the Hyde amendment RNC chair Romney Romney mic Romney. Just call you that forever. That's her name the Romney mic. Romney tweeted twenty twenty Democrats have become totally radical on abortion, Bernie Kamla Warren, Budaj, and Beddoe are all backing abortions up to the moment of baby is porn not true. Now, Biden is calling for unlimited taxpayer funding of abortions. Also, it just completely outside the mainstream. She, it's that's like that's going to be the line going into twenty twenty just so everybody kind of get get ready to respond to like a little mini bullshit. Sue nami. That is going to be the line going into twenty twenty. What do you think what you make of that? Well I mean look, it's like Trump's been playing since he didn't get his wall. Right. Or, you know, didn't get the whatever he's like I need some new like hot, red meat. And so he's using abortion, and as per used, he's just wine. Yes. Just lying about everything and, you know, he did that rally. Not that long ago, wherever the fuck state. It was. And he was like, and then the baby's born and they soi. Waddell it? And then they decide whether to kill it like I don't know if we can educate the people who believe that, but we just all have to remit like, we just all these remember how bad shit, and what a big lie that, you know, the thing is, I was thinking about this a lot going into this week's episode since we're going to be visiting this issue in the panel part of the episode to yes. And I was thinking, you know, who are we convincing when we talk about this, or when we correct lies and there are people that will never be convinced and I don't think it's about convincing people anymore. I think it's just about rallying the people on our side. Because look what we didn't twenty eighteen. That's right. Look what we did in two thousand eighteen and I think, and maybe I'm just a fucking pollyanna here. But look what we did, and I think we can do it again. And maybe a lot of us are tired, and maybe a lot of us wanna take a break. But the fact of the matter is that, you know, maybe try to take many breaks, but we have to go full steam ahead to twenty twenty and I think we can we can beat this. We don't need them. We can be. There are more of us than there are of them we. I do. And I also think that when someone says that they are opposed to abortion. It is worth visiting the question of are you opposed to it for you? Or do you think I shouldn't have the right or someone else, shouldn't have the right because there are people who are pro life for themselves, though, believe that other people should have a choice. And so in the vein of trying to get more people on our side. I do think leading with curiosity in those conversations is important. Yeah, I completely agree. I think that, that's a very fair point because there's a gap between people who say, like if you if you look at polls, it says, America's fifty fifty pro-life pro-choice, but when you look at pulls it, ask, do you think Roe v? Wade should be overturned. It's something like seventy three percent of people don't correct. It should be overturned. So there is a gap, there's a percentage of people who call themselves pro life, but actually are pro choice for other people that might be morally opposed to abortion for themselves. But don't think that it should be illegal. And that's I think those people are worth talking to. But I think I do think that the what the twenty-seven percent. That don't think that or that do think rose should be overturned, or maybe people that are unconvinced Ables a basket of unconvincing, right? Like that. Lunatic who said that topic, pregnancies were form of abortion, in the embryo, or whatever it is, when it's an ectopic pregnancy should be removed and then reimplanted properly in the uterus. We're not changing that guy's mind. Yeah. That's not even with against common sense and science like not even magic, like it's, it's, it's like a boring sci-fi story and it looks now it wouldn't happen in narnia. No, it wouldn't even happened in like, you know, a Star Trek or something they would be like we can re-implant the topic pregnancy. People will be like, why it's a sign that it's not working out. Guys. Let's. Exactly. You're body's talking to you. Yeah. But we're doing uterus trek generations right now. Okay. Eliza. Well that's all the time we have this week to talk about this. I'm sure we're going to be revisiting it because this is going to be something that the Republicans try to carry two twenty twenty and we're not gonna let him. Yes, blessed be the fruit blessed. It'd be the fruit. 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I'm leaving for five weeks to go to Scotland next week. Okay. And so I'm prepping like this weekend is sort of my last week till I get my shit together. You are you going to calibrate, your ear to understand Scottish people when they talk, 'cause I, I will, I will exclusively be watching Highlander and repeat. Get used to it. So I mean it's like an ink. I know you're speaking English, but I can't what's happened. It's like have you ever watched? Those YouTube videos, where it's like what English sounds like to non-english speakers. And it's nonsense words, sort of with inflection of, of English. So it sort of duplicates, like how English sound to non to non-english speakers. You're just gonna feel like a baby for I'm just going to be it's going to be like, muppet the and peanut like adults in peanut cartoons, though. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, that's great of next. We have actor activists comedian writer, all kinds of she's multi hyphen it all the high. Hyphen. Grace par. Hi. Hi, ladies. Hi gentlemen, gentlemen. No gentlemen. One gentleman. There's one gentleman. Yes. He's he remained silent though as. For the rule. That's in the gentleman's Cherif. Silence. Yes. In the back corner of the hysteria recording exact hysteria work. Absolutely grace. What are you doing for Memorial Day? Well, I'm very excited. I am taking a trip to Memphis and to Nashville into muscle shoals time excited about it's where Leonard Skinner d- and Rolling Stones and Tina Turner and tons of classic artists recorded over the years. So. Yeah is like a music illegitimate. Yet, it's like this tiny town in Alabama near Florence Alabama and it's just where like randomly there've been a couple of documentaries about muscle shoals. It's just randomly where all these recording studios popped up two specifically that were just home to all of these legendary artists, and like seventies. And they're on. So sweet home, Alabama recorded the was, and muscle shoals is, is one of the lyrics, and now muscles show data babba. Oh, that's terrible. Dude. It's all just hot chick and all day long. You're going to get such good food and have so many people to scowl at. I know. But if anybody has recommendations, let me know hit me up on Twitter recommendations are going to be don't go great. Weirdly supporting Alabama at a Kentucky you just kept saying, Alabama, Alabama like looking around like is. Is the movie. The grade. No, I think that there's a lot of great people in Alabama. It's a beautiful state. I've had I've, I've driven with my family kind of diagonally across. It's very pretty and there's some very nice people. But it's a very fraught time to leave or not. Day. We should loop back because that's going to be good segue. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck grace. I'm sorry. I introduced we all just pretend yet you got introduced last and last, but not least comedian actor writer, multi hyphen. It also Meghan gaily. Hi, welcome. Thank you. I understand that your mom was involved in something fun, this week. Oh, my mom went to the Indiana statehouse yesterday where they were protesting and having a rally against the abortion bans that are happening. And I think trying to like show, Indiana that they don't want to do it. And she went alone she was going with a friend, and then our friend couldn't go. She's still went one. And she wore my, my grandma. She keeps a lot of glows. She gave us my grandmother died on December nineteenth December twenty fifth of that, that same beer, six days later. She gave us unwashed clothes of hers. Oh, prison. She wrapped him up Yoshi did she? She said she wore my Noni sucks yesterday down to the rally with her. And I said, you have pink. She goes, of course I pink. Oh. Oh, so great, did she make friends at the rally? She go juice. Anyone who she goes I did I saw this lady on the stairs. I don't know how I know her. But then he said she saw another friend. And she's been sending me the signs that she really likes. Great as your mom has she been politically active person for a long time. You know, my mom is at a nurse and teacher. And so I think she is one of those people that's like you have to do the right thing. So it's like very confusing to her when the right thing is in what is being done. But I have friends all the time that are like your parents can't leave Indiana, like Indian needs them. But I do feel her starting to grow, even more disenchanted with, like the political feelings that, that state seems to surround her with. Yeah, but they're coming out here. That's what we're doing from a memorial fun. Visiting and they love California. They love to see you perform they do. That's great. Do you shout them out and high do for that? That's so nice. I begged my parents, not to read my writing. I like lean into like the sexual things when they're for some reason, I'm like, put see how uncomfortable I can make them. And then they don't really ever feel that uncomfortable there like fine with it. My robbers, everybody. Oh, that's maybe it's like a band-aid like, once you were a at off. Yeah. I think they've heard it. And now that they're like, whatever. Yeah. I think the first time it's like it's always harder with your parents to tell something, you know, like the first time I lived with a boyfriend. I remember I tried to like hide it from them. And now it's just sort of, like I openly. I'm like, yeah. I'm probably gonna live with my boyfriend. We're not married, you know. Yeah. It's a it's a whole thing you have to you have to break your parents, and especially to sex stuff in, like they don't. They truly don't seem to care. And I'm on talks about sex constantly that it's very is just she's just she's frisky. I need. I'm not like I get review Jan. I are having sex next to you like on stage. They know in the context of like joke. Right. Right. Right. She did recently I did a joke off him. And she was like, did you really have Clemencia an? Girl, we all did. It was the eighties on. Tax back reporting when my tweets go too far preparing to delete certain tweets. It's usually independently from both my mom and my dad. Like I could tell they talked about it. But like a two pronged approach. Okay. That's like more strategy than than the battle of winter. That my parents are better at tactics than John's now hundred percent. I wanted to segue into kind of a serious topic. That's something that's been on a lot of our minds. And it's been kind of in the news, a lot, and it's been in a lot of our lives at one of the things that I think a lot about when it comes to abortion and choice is that a lot of times it gets can pigeonholed as women's issue, where it's just this, like special interest thing, but I don't think a lot of people, a lot of men don't understand that. This is something that women who are reproductively capable or anybody who's reproductively capable thinks about all the time. Like if you have a uterus, like your just as kind of low Thrum noise in the back of your head. You're just kind of always aware of the fact, like, here's, here's what my body can do. Here's what I would do if something happened. And it's it's not just a women's issue, and it's not something that just goes away when people aren't passing batch it laws. So we're doing our prisoner political today on. On the way that abortion, personally impacts people's lives, not with the hopes that people who disagree with us are listening, because if honestly, if you disagree with us, and your you've made it this far you should maybe I don't know, be running ultra marathon that is some serious, endurance. We just want people who are listening to a, you know, if you're a woman, or somebody with a uterus understand that it's normal to have gone through this, and this is a fight that we're all joining in, because it's very personal for us and be if you're somebody who doesn't have a doesn't have a uterus. If your man we want you to understand how important this is to all of us into probably women that, you know, and talk to every day who maybe haven't talked to you about it because they're not comfortable doing it. So without further ado, let's talk about this. Let's talk about the a word I, Meghan, I want to start with you because this episode was your idea couple really forcing it. I would like eat. Email every few weeks time. A couple of months ago. Meghan gayley was like, I think I wanna talk about this on the mic on an episode of hysteria. And I said, yeah, let's you know, let's, let's think about it. Let's do it at the right time. And, and it seems like now is the right time so Meghan, I want I want to start with you what is your personal experience with abortion, and how has it impacted your life? I think that this was important to me to do as a comedian. You're used to sort of, like working through the things that are happening in your life on stage. And that's kind of how I have coped and been able to get through multiple different things that I've that I've gone through break-up wise, health scares anything that's happened. And this is something that I have not talked about publicly on stage, and so it's sort of festered in me in a way and now we're faced with this, right? Being taken away, and it feels very much the appropriate time to. Acknowledge what I've been through, and then what a lot of my very, very close friends have been through I had an abortion five years ago. And at the time, I did not have enough money to pay for the abortion. And so it was provided for me as a free service, which I think, is incredible. And where was the this was in New York? And I remember my mom telling me like just just beware. There may be people extending outside of the building yelling at you. When you go in and I was met with. Such compassion, and so much warmth that I can't imagine women being in hostile places going through this. I had the support of my boyfriend at the time, and we got up there and throughout the day, there were probably twenty to twenty five women who were there, having abortions, and there were two men there and everyone else was there with their mom their sister, a female friend, and it was just so horrible to see that men were apart of this as well. And then a lot of them never even have to know or never have to even be burdened with this knowledge, and that these women are going through it again by themselves. And I, I went into, you know, like the preapproved, I met the woman who was going in right before me that keep you sort of like in a holding room and. And she was already mother. She had a twelve year old daughter. She loved very, very much, and she felt like her boyfriend did not want to have this pregnancy, go to term. And so she was like, I can't do it again on my own. I've already been a single mother and I can't do it again. And you could tell that it, you know, it broke her heart in at some point in her life. She had probably wanted a second child in this just wasn't that time and to paint any of these people as murderers, or anything, but just women that are doing the sack thing that they can do. That's the best thing for them to do in that moment is, is so hurtful in so evil in so incorrect to what it takes to come to that decision. And whether it's an easy decision or a hard decision you truly do not know how it feels and cannot pass judgment on what they should do until you have found your. Self in those shows, I think that's a really. I mean, thank you for sharing that because it's you know it shouldn't be brave. It shouldn't be a brave thing to say that you made a decision about what happens inside of your body that shouldn't be something that we're afraid to do. I've had two abortions. I've had one that was surgical when I was young in my twenties and one that was medicinal. And that was also in my twenties and both of them were because I couldn't I couldn't do it at the time. I, I was in a monogamous relationship in both cases. I know that at some point in my life, I wanna be a mother. But it wasn't then I didn't have the money to. I didn't have the emotional maturity, too, and I'm glad that I made those decisions and I can say now at the time I felt pressured to feel like it was more difficult decision than it was. I felt like I needed to kind of go through the motions of being like this is hard. For some women. It is it is such a hard decision like the woman that you met in the holding area. It is such a hard decision. But for some people for a lot of people it's like no. Like this is an easy decision. I, I wish that this wouldn't have happened that I had to make this decision. It's an unpleasant decision, but it's an easy decision to make. And the, the chain the characterization of abortion, is something that is always a tragedy and something always that hurts. Women is a reflection of the fact that you haven't been there, you know, like a lot of people deciding that, that's how we feel haven't been there or haven't really talked to a woman, I think that there's I have a friend who I was telling you about before this. And she, she had a late term abortion, because she had a pregnancy, that was not going to be viable. The baby's organs were growing outside of the fetus, a horrible thing to realize in an ultrasound for. Child that you want. And she has friends that to this day, are like referred to it as a miscarriage, and she's like, no, I chose to end that pregnancy. And we have to start framing and being honest about that. Because there's a lot of pregnancies that you do choose to end. And instead of us having to sort of, like be the victim of these circumstances. We kind of need to take back that this was a choice. I decided to make. And then it's valid choice and that it's not, you know, I think sometimes the did the discussions around abortion frame it as this, this thing that even the people who are pro choice like that. It should be available. But that it still like a shameful thing. You know, like that abortion should be, you know, accessible safe and rare that it still idea the old Clinton chess. Yeah. So I think sometimes even framing it that way, is really harmful to what how, how society should approach. Yeah. Abortions. One thing I mean, thank you so much for sharing that story. And it it's heartbreaking to me to think about that. There were only two men in that room. Yeah. Because abortions only happened because a man Jackie late it in a place that he shouldn't have at that moment. No female orgasms have caused zero abortions around wanted pregnancies. And so, I think also just the way that society has framed this and put it. Entirely on the woman on the woman is is heartbreaking, and I, I don't know how we begin to undo that. But I think that is a fundamental paradigm needs to shift. I do want to clarify that might emotion is less for me. I'm more for the women that this is now being taken away from them or people are attempting to take away from because I think about if I hadn't had the ability to get one or have lived in a state that paid for me to get one, I would be royally fucked. You know, I just I would have been I didn't have money to pay for an abortion. How am I going to have money to raise his title? Yeah. That's, that's a kind of twisty logic that it's like you irresponsible slut. You should be you should be a mom. Your life, adults teach. You fuck up a kid, that'll be a total social liability, because your not mature enough to decide whether or not it just it's it makes absolutely no sense. It it's completely ridiculous. Grace, I, I want to ask you the same question. How has being approach ice woman? How have you seen your friends deal with issues of choice in, and that in your life? Well, I think that, that I think he leads so much for sharing that your stories are incredible emotional. And I think really important for people to hear because de-stigmatising the word abortion, desensitizing the process is pivotal, and understanding, you know, why it is that this is such a front conversation. I think what's interesting is that we're talking about a lot of people who are very clear about what they want their decision to be what they feel like the right decision is, but we're facing. I think a lot of. More often than not women who don't know what they want. And don't know if they should keep the child, or if they shouldn't, and that stems from instilling, a lot of fear in women. And so the way the birth control has affected my life and the way the reproductive rights have affected. My life is I feel very confident in knowing that, I can take birth control. I feel very safe and secure in that decision, and it feels like something that, I don't have to carry a burden with me going through my day to day existence, and I'm very, very grateful for that, if that were not an option, then I would feel even more fear than I do now but I think that fear to me feels like the, the biggest issue facing not just women who have had abortions or women who, who may potentially be in a position to have abortions, but women in general because we are in a place right now where our bodies feel like they could at any given point do something to bring us turmoil and put us in a position that we are completely out of the vet is completely out of our control. And that's what's what's really scary about this time in this place right now? I've been thinking a lot about that. About the emotional duress, not only on women who had abortions are women again, who might be facing abortions. But women in general that for all of us with uteruses we which includes women and non binary, people lay transpeople absolutely that it feels like things are just completely out of our control. And that affects not just sex by the way, but also dating and relationships, the idea that you might become emotionally connected to somebody that you might want to have sex with them. And that should be something that you fear that you should fear motion connection because that could lead to sex, which could lead to pregnancy, which could then lead to, you need to have an abortion. So an and most of us, you know, I think are, are really, we wanna feel mostly connected to people. I mean what is life if not to find love and yet to know that consequence can be so fraught with pain and suffering? And, you know, an and political and for it to all be politicized is, is really, really detrimental, and that emotional turmoil is what I think I'm seeing more and more of as the days go by and as you know, state start to lob onto this new. Restrictive movement. And I don't know if you guys have felt this, too, but I feel like more and more every single day, I have female friends stepping forward and talking about increases in anxiety and depression. And it is it feels like an epidemic, and that's the emotional, and psychological duress, that we are all feeling that feels completely inescapable. I mean, I think we're lucky that all of us sitting at this table, live in a major city in our very privileged and have access to abortion care. And I think one and preventative and preventive birth control for the most part, even if like grace had to do, which she talked about a fiasco back where she had to call her under different pharmacies. Like we have options, we can actually can get this, like, what we're always going to be fine, and -cation. Yeah. And they're going to be people in your life at this moment. If you're a woman who is maybe in a similar position in a in a major city will affluent enough to afford reproductive health care. I think people in your life are going to be tempted to try to calm you down in an average that anxiety. By saying, you'll be fine, which is extremely not the point. Right. Extremely, not the point. I think that feeling anxiety right now is a sign that you're an empathetic person, and we need to keep our, our focus, and our in our energy focused on people who are going to suffer from these laws directly, the direct suffering are is, is going to be poor women. Women in Alabama, women of color, people who are in marginalized, populations in these places that are trying to cut off access to reproductive health care. I think it's really important for us as people who are privileged to remember that, like it's good that we're feeling empathetic, but there's a certain point where like anxiety is just kind of spinning our wheels. And we're spending our energy. We should be like trying to refocus that league jujitsu the anxiety and being a little bit proactive. You know, can I also say one thing too, that I mentioned like. Oh falling in love and wanting to have sex another problem with this dialogue is that we are viewing love and sex. Don't need to be the same thing. A woman should be able to. Have sex because she wants to have sex, and as long as, as socially, we continue to view sex as for the pleasure of men than these consequences pregnancy, abortions, everything in that realm are going to continue to be the burden of women and not something that both genders bear into. And, and I think that unfortunately, until we start to frame the dialogue of sex as being for women's pleasure as well. We're going to continue to see these burdens exclusively on women, and I, I don't know. I feel like there's not a lot of dialogue about that right now that, you know, sex is just not for female pleasure. And as a result, it's us that we have to bear the burden. And we have the consequences. It's very frustrating biologists, super fair. Dana. You look like you've data. You look like you have day, I think we were mentioning anxiety and one thing that just makes me like have that not in my stomach. That makes me so scared and angry and just all the bad emotions is the sense that the bodies of women and non binary and trans people are used as like. Political tools for social issues. Like I feel like a lot of politicians. See lies about abortions like saying, like late term abortions and abortion and babies can feel pain, like they use the charged and medically inaccurate language like full-on lies to rile up their base in the same way that, like bathroom bills for, for trans students like it's an issue that, like their base gets angry about even in the abstract, even though it like a trans bathroom Bill, for example, like a trans student, the that affects their life like their high school, and they're like experience and a person can just be like this is my life. I just want to go into the restroom identify with, but because some Republican lawmakers sees it as, like a winning emotional issue with his base to be like these men. Dress up as women to molest your daughters and bathrooms. Like that's sometimes how I feel like the abortion discussion goes were there like they can spin these lies about like you. You know, doctors, cutting babies are like that. They'll deliver babies and then like murder them in front of the moms like these crazy lies that rile up their base. Yeah. And totally distort from this legitimate issue that affects women. So like these poor women in the rural areas that you were talking about who don't have access are now the victims of like shallow. I a dumb political rhetoric there. It their, their pond. And it makes me so angry. I can tell you that one thing that does not decrease my anxiety is being called a murderer a national oh, you know. And I mean not no individual. You are a murderer but it's like I'm not a perfect person. I've done this shitty things in my life and me having an abortion isn't even in the top one hundred things that I feel, like if I ever have to go to, you know, judge Judy in the sky. It's not that's not even gonna come on the docket. Imagine like if you go to hell like there's a highlight reel that plays. It's lay. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Boorda not even that doesn't even make the wedding video. Not in. So you're like you think I'm a murderer for this. Like you should have seen all this terrible shit. I did to my friend in high school, not that I actually like a pretty loyal friend, but it's also crazy to me. And this is I'm being glib about this, and I'm aware, and I don't mean in glibness, but these are the same people with, like the pro gun laws who's like if someone steps foot on your property, are legally allowed to shoot them. But, like, oh, someone a bunch of cells are in my physically in my body, and I'm not allowed to get rid of those, you can with a gun, the gun, I hit a critical in, in every way, unfortunately, in that infuriating. There's too many immigrants here, right at the because they're taking all of our resources. But you have to have every single child that steps that, that, that is in a uterus because otherwise you're going against scripture, I mean, and of course, we don't want abortions, but we're also not gonna teach sex edgy comprehensive sex education or give out condoms. Right. Our public schools are failing. We're going back in time in so many ways, and then they want. Two but they're doing it on purpose. Oh, gay people can't adopt kids. So if you, if you don't have an abortion sex for you. Fewer people to adopt. Yeah. It's, it's really it's there's a lot of infuriating elements to this entire moment. And another thing that I've thought about in prepping for this episode and in thinking about whether I was going to say into a microphone that I've had an abortion, because I was like, oh, my parents don't know so surprise, mom and dad. I hope my dad's not listening because he would be he would just cry all the time. Yeah, not, not like onto the abortion thing because I swear it he's fine with abortion, just not so much swearing. But I think of his daughter swearing, I think that's the sure, but one thing I think about is every single time. There's this moment, where women are dragged out into the public sphere and like punched in the face for political points. It feels like there is this kind of cascade of articles of women who are coming forward and exposing their trauma and saying, look, I'm I am a person. This is what happened to me, and the revisiting these very painful moments of their lives. Miscarriages a boarding wanted pregnancies aborting, pregnancies that were unwanted during moments in their lives that were difficult for them. And still, and we have, oh, I just want to add in into that women who have been raised in communities, who do believe that like being a abortions are more than just like a bunch of cells who still aren't in positions who still feel bad about like, and, but we still have we have to drag our trauma out every time this happened I was thinking about during the Kevin ohearing. Yeah. Christine wasi. Court. Everybody was coming out and being like look guys, I was date raped in college. Like, and you trust me, you have to be likable, at the same time you almost have to lead with, like, hey guys. It's me. You really like me think I'm really funny and charming and great. I also did this thing that part of the country right now, thinks I should go to jail for I can vote for the fact that this trauma exists and here it is. And then you rip your chest open, and you rub your open wound on like the public and what ends up happening, ultimately is there are people that just don't give a fuck horrible thing about doing that. And I've had this, by having conversations with Trump supporters, and people who are that's your trauma. Quote socially liberal, but still vote for Trump is when you're perfect and likable and tell them will this was my experience the say, oh my God. Well your that's fine for you. But also the except you're the accent. So even though even if you totally get through to them, I feel like just, culturally, they are so inundated with other information that you're the exception. You're the good story. But societally there's this problem. We're also I think probably telling stories to an echo chamber. I don't I just learned recently that I think something like fifty seven percent of people who watch television and consumed digital media are liberal, like not, not even moderates and conservatives, don't listen to the same types of things that liberals do they don't watch TV. They watch duck dynasty. Maybe but otherwise, like we're just not going to get that's not the way to get to. I don't know how how is like maybe in person. Honestly, I'm starting to think that I don't really care if we get to them. I. Outnumber them. Yeah. And I think we do and, but I was thinking, like dragging out our trauma like this, Meghan you telling your story, and then I have to go to work after that. On a show that's about lap bay. Listening to these podcasts. And then it's like okay, well, I got a set up for my barbecue. Well, it's an it pisses me off, because I'm like, why didn't my fiance run the dishwasher? I'm talking about abortion all day. Like we're having to do so much emotional labor right now that they're just not. And I know it's gonna show on my face someday. So that's my, my question is, how do we combat that how because, you know, one question that, that, that we've been talking about is where do men belong in the conversation? I don't truly have the answer. I'm very curious what you guys think. But it does feel like we have to place more of the burden or the duress, or at least responsibility on men in this conversation to, and I don't know how to how to do that. Exactly. I mean, here's, here's the thing like I think that women, this is women's, and people with somebody who's a reproductively capable uterus owner, this is something that is our pain, our trauma, and this is something that is being legislated by mostly men. I think all of you saw the matrix of the twenty five. Five men in Alabama, all of whom are wearing suits, that don't fit basis than ever been committed to Cameron. Yeah. They've got like bourbon, she. Oh. Rally Oma lip. It's like back like looks like they were like spackle. Do you know what the cheap stuff you buy Phil now holes and yet rent stuff? That's their skin. Yeah. I mean and you know, we don't like making fun of people's appearances unless they're absolutely terrible people. Yeah, that's the room. But anyway, bunch of ugly, fucks, Alabama, making these rules about about what women can do, and I think that right now I'm feeling a little bit like an emotional livewire because I kind of tired of hearing for men. But on the other hand, I fight that reflex in me because we need them. Oh, yeah. We really need them to join us. And I, I was thinking last week after the Alabama thing that I was like, man. I am. I'm so fucking pissed. I'm so tired of looking at men who want have opinions on abortion. But it's like yet, guys know we absolutely need. You can't just be us Yellen. And then that even like. Unfortunately, when it's an issue that only women yellow about that means that the people who kind of already hate women can dismiss this as, like men's issue. There I go those loud, broads talking right. Indiana past past that religious freedom act. I did air quotes there. We heard it in your voice and, and North Carolina had the bathroom issue. And there was like, huge outpouring of public opposition to both of those and it, it came from corporations. I remember the NC double A, the NBA was, we're not having the all star game in Charlotte. If you pass this law, and then it's like people who I respect are still like, hey, we got a film in Atlanta. Yeah. It's like not like we you what. Like how we need everybody, some of the most liberal people guys that I knew in college. I remember hearing them be like we're talking about abortion. And they're like, yeah. No, that's like it's fine. I would never. Have one and I was like, well, that's convenient say, I mean that's, that's the thing like I think there are a few categories of men. There are men that are just totally indifferent. And don't think there were people, there are men, that are speaking up for their own selfish purposes, and then there are men who like are speaking up and they're trying to help. And then there are amend that are like they want to speak up, but they don't know how to do it because they don't wanna get yelled at because it's really hard to step into a conversation like this. And not we, we've been yelling about this for years. And there are men who wanna like yellow both us for the first time and are a little bit. Like I don't wanna make people mad. I don't want to piss people off. So question to the table, what would you say to a man who's, like I want to do something I want to speak up, but I don't know how I would say lead with your fucking wallet? Yeah. If you do that, if bare minimum you have to give money donate money to Planned Parenthood. Yellowhammer hawk to your friends like pub like publicly private. Tely whatever you gotta do texture male friends and be like this is an you because you're not going to be shamed within each other. And if you are then, like those are that's exactly what I was going to say. I think as much as many to step back in the Lao for, for women to have a platform in this situation. Talk to your other male friends, you can actively exclude women, as a matter of fact, in private conversations, talk to other men because that's how men feel comfortable. I mean, that's how we feel comfortable to it makes sense. You know, in the tribal, it's a tribal instinct, but as long as men continue to not discuss it or to only discuss it with women. I just don't think we're going to see as much progress made men, donate convinced. I mean talk to your friends, one on one and also, I don't think anyone will get mad at you. If you amplify like an article on Twitter and be like this is fucked up. Yeah, just put your position out in the world that it's, it's not an issue that you can or should stay silent on just because you don't have you don't have to have like the smartest nuanced funniest take. You could just put out. It out in the world, a great perspective and just amplify someone else's story and be like, hey, that Bill fucked up. Yeah. It sucks. Yeah. I was really like I was I was feeling awful at the end of last week. And I got a text on Saturday morning from a man who I really respect who has like a lot of elaborate power than I do. And he texted me, he's not in the, in the politics, fear. And he said, how can I help and that was one of the best it almost it moved me so much, because it was like, I know you care about this. How can I help? So I would say men if you have women in your life that are upset about this, or if you are, you're personally upset about it reach out to a woman that, you know, and say, like, hey, I know that this is upsetting to you. What can I do? How can I help you right now? How can I help this cause right now? I think that's that's very important. Also lead with your fucking wallet. Yeah. Yeah. That was a very good Subas fucking inexact could be an episode title. Leave with your wallet boys. Redacted. With your redacted. So final question before we have to move on. I want to end this conversation with kind of question to the table as well. A is a two parter where do you personally doing in response to this, if anything and how scared or hopeful are you? I'm personally having more conversations with my boyfriend with my brothers with men in my life conversations with nieces and nephews who were younger than than I am because I think it's important, and, and I'm trying to have more conversations that are not just like man, this sucks. You know, there has to be some more substance to it for people who are not necessarily politically aligned with me. You have to understand you have to justify you have to be willing to enable to justify vocally why it is specifically that this is such such a momentous moment in time. And so, so problematic am I hopeful? It's really hard to be. It's really hard to be, when you start to see the number of states that are aligning themselves with this movement. And I think it's. Especially hard. When you just take a look like I mean I just don't think this is this is just not the end of it. You know. And I don't think that Alabama is going to be the case that goes to the supreme court, but one case will, and it's only going to get bigger, you know, and this, this, this court is not stacked in favor of, of, of abortion, or in favor of pro choice. No. So that, that is very, very, very scary. I'm also not hopeful, which is really scary is I just sort of see this as a very the way it's being used politically is really not encouraging to me in a really frustrating and makes me feel incredibly impotent, but counterpoint to that things, I'm doing is challenging that by you know, staying more aware, I think the benefit what's the word silver lines over lining of, of, of this issue. Is it makes me like hyper aware, when, like Obama was president? And I was like, how take care. Yes, pretty smart. I think things will be okay. Whereas now, I'm like, hyper aware, I feel like I'm like FOX with my with my ears up all the time. So. Yeah. And, and talking to people and being able to talk about my sex life in a way. That's more open than I think normally I would be comfortable with in a way that feels like this is who I am. I'm a human being not a prop. I'm leading with my wallet. I'm also talking fucking while leopard-print Kate Spade. Bought an outlet mall and it's falling apart wallet. I am very much listening to what the democratic candidates for president have to say I am having more conversations. I'm being more open about my personal experience and I do have to say I am a little hopeful because I know how angry and pissed I am. And if every woman who? Had an abortion and stands by. It is pissed as I am. I think that, that is a very, very frightening group of people to one in four before the forty five one and four. Yeah, I do think we're stronger than them. Yeah. And, and I think there's a lot more of us than people think. Yeah. Megan, I'm going to have to. I'm going to have to echo. You're hopefulness just because it's the only like I think when we start to despair is when we start to kind of give up and it doesn't matter how behind the eight ball. We are like, we just have to run as hard as we can and keep going as hard as we can. I feel like because I'm not in the direct line of fire when it comes to these laws that I have the advantage of having more energy to give to trying to help other people. So, yeah, I guess I'm also giving some money and I'm trying to keep my spirits up because it's like people who it's. It's people like you and me who are when the people are actually suffering the effects of this are going to have to, like keep going. You know, we're going to we're going to have to use our extra energy to like help uplift. Other people. So can I also say that both of you guys mentioned off the Mike ways that your incorporating their stories into art, whether it's on a television show, whether it's, you know, in stand up, and I think that's really important to realizing it. Yeah, normalizing it and, and, and telling these stories and creative ways that might that might reach different audiences. I think that's really really, really special. And those are ways that you guys can use your gifts in particular to share stories with the world, which I think, is phenomenal. Thank you for doing that. Thank you, all for being here. This was this was an episode that was longtime coming like we said earlier. And everybody was, like, totally on board. When we reached out, and I'm just so grateful for you guys. Dana grace and Megan, thank you so much. We have to take a break, but we'll be right back. Hysteria is brought to you by swell. You'd vote for someone who is poised to make the world better place. Right. 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And this is also their friends who went to their shower and went to their bachelorette can stand there and fight over a bouquet of flowers, so that they have the chance of getting married next. It is a sexist archaic tradition that needs to be stopped immediately that is it? Meghan. I am not throwing my bouquet. I never was going to no one is going up, my dress to get a guard that is happening June. Worry, I am with you one hundred percents, that was among the boulder of our. All right, though. I mean you know there's something to be said for tradition. But there's also some into be said for like nothing is going to get better unless we stopped doing stupid shit. We gotta stop doing that. Yeah. I don't want to toss really creeps me out. Yeah. I remember seeing my brother go up my sister-in-law Asia's families there. Don't do that the, the flowers, at least like. Dot net. It feels very much like how in in, like old times of the monarchy whenever on head to, like, hold up the sheet to see the bloody sheet to see those consummated. Yes. Yes. Aren't going to do that? I feel like you know, it's funny because the wedding is the only ceremony where they do something like that. Like, imagine if they did it at funerals where they took they take the wreath off the top of it. And they've fling it at the old. Like ring toss with old people whoever it lands on is gonna die next. And everyone's like life is difficult. I want, but naturally, I don't want to upset anybody. Okay. Well, all right. Let's move onto the other hills will die on. Dana, you want to go. Yeah. This is a dumb pop culture one and I was going to say it. People have a lot of game of thrones opinions. My hot take is that the finale was fine. The brand's weird anyway. Like you know what kingdoms are dumped? They always choose. Dumb weirdos to be king. I don't agree with the decision saying I had fun with the finale. I enjoyed the show. I'm going to say good job guys, I got chills. At some moments I was like, thous- dumb. That was fun for a dragon show. My hell is that good job thumbs up. Let's all move on. Grace, I thought about you in good. I'm glad you did on she's going to be so mad. And I was like should I text her? No. I do hate brand. I think he's the worst or Scherzer. And also, he I mean he's not like a king met uses charisma. No. And also, you can't have kids. So what the fuck are they thinking the whole thing is terrible. He's going to live for like five hundred years. He's like the thread raven. They live for thousands of years. Maybe he's king for forever. I don't know who cares fund dragon show. Hey brand. That's we are really hitting on some key. This is maybe every now divers we were kind of like flirting with most controversial ever with the whole long conversation about us having a boy. So yeah, but now this is what I'm going to get the angry. That opinion is literally worse than. Just like no, it's fun. You're so flipping. I know what you're, you're hurting the cost. I won't go next because mine's stupid. So guys everybody. I think this, this is something I started noticing in college, but as become an adult has become more and more noticeable. It's not noticeable in my current job because I really enjoy my current job. The always writers room is just the just tops. But, you know, when you're in a meeting, and there's a point where the person leading the meeting is, it's become a discussion and there's a point where everyone is sort of like fallen silent to kind of indicate that they're ready for the meeting to be over and they're kind of looking at their hands. There's always one fuck in person who's like aunt. Keeping it up the keep talking, and they're the question answer with one minute left in class, which is like, did did we all have to hear this? Like I really feel like when you are within ten minutes of the scheduled end of a meeting shut the fuck up, you need to shut up because nobody wants to be there. And, and if you want everyone it's selfish continuing to talk is like I need everyone to hear what I have to say it's like people who can't just be silent for few minutes on a date, or when you're like with a friend, you don't need someone does not need to be constantly talking. You can just sit in silence for a little bit. That's okay. I'm with you. Completely on it's just kind of like the slow and it's like the kind of embarrassing end of the life of the meeting where it's just like we all just wanted to be over one person who doesn't be aware of when that moment comes and do not be that person. And that's the hill all Diane, okay? Next grace, you want go. Sure. Mine is a also very, very dumb. And it's really more. Of a question. But it's something that I think that we all need to get on board about a unanimously, which is highlighter are we do we use highlighter on our face every day? Do we not I see every Instagram person use it, but it's all whole lot in real life like in person? And I just I but I, I just bought some and I happen to like it, but I'm like MIT extra now. Or are you wearing I'm wearing a little bit really good tone appropriate amount? Okay. I'm wearing some now too. Yeah. Look good. I say my hot heck I'm not wearing because I'm not wearing makeup. But when I wear makeup, I do where it. Oh, come on the top of the cheek cop. Also a little bit on the nose a little nicer doing more place. See, I'm one of those people that either go makeup or no no makeup. Everyday makeup, routine, because I'm so lazy. I always make up. Okay. You're pro I always wear makeup, because mom was like it protects your skin. You have to wear on touring is hard contouring. I don't understand what you're seeing a lot of dirty face. Like an orphan, in like a Christmas Carol. When I try to. Lawyer wearing your riding around in like a brand style. Mr. crash Christmas. Do you don't know how people in the UK talk? The, you know the one thing that taught me about, like highlighter and, and contouring is when I used to do CNN, all the time, the makeup, artist where like, I would just kind of notice what they were doing and be like, I can't do this kind of know how it works a little bit. And highlighter is is in yes, it's a state. Don't eat here, highlanders easier than contouring, because come to Flint, high butter, you can just feel like a little bit. Yeah. They don't do highlighter for, for TV it because it to China. Listen, I watched so many reality shows, and you'll see sometimes like people halfway through getting ready the like a lot of those shots. And you're like, what, what is that step that always look insane? Like I ever have white powder down to my lips. Jiming Chit that makes no sense. And then when you see the woman fully complete you're like his perfect. Go to that. I feel like the era of YouTube tutorials introduced so full dress. And I'm just like no since I've moved out here. The only thing I'd do is like under I conceal her with like one of those things, and then I do do you use yours truly good. Oh, thank you go to hot yoga every day. But I also do like I do like an under I conceal her. Because he goes, really good skilled things. Thank you. Well, let's, let's move on from the makeup, talk to Megan hill. Okay. This came to me as I was parking today. If you are not a compact car do park in a compact spot. You have made a decision to have a Range Rover, and that means you cannot park where a Prius fits. It's not okay. You need to go up. We're the other spots are because then you are taking up one and a half spot. And then a car camp park there, and you have fucked up everything I parked in between two giant cars today, and you could tell that they didn't want me to park there. And it's like no, I am the right size. Yes, you are wrong. And if you can't get into your car, I don't give a flying rats. That is I noticed the same thing day, especially. View. It was like an armada, everybody just like brought in so they're big fucking cars, and they're like, no, I can fit. No, you're not can't it was. It was it was an epidemic parking. I want that full hill. Word for word printed on it. I sure everything you said, quote, I just want on. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Half of the hills that people bring up here. I'm like that would be a good bacteria to. Well guys, thank you so much for today. Well fun so much fun pure fun, so much fun. AB our funnest episode ever maybe wanted to call it our fun and stuff on episode. I'm not talking fun. Things fun, shutting, God Dana Megan in grace thinks so much for stopping by. Thank you to Eliza master, Monaco, as always for calling in to break down the news this week. I'm Aaron Ryan, and there will be more hysteria next week. Planet this, Jane? Bannet email. Gets her gun. Down.

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Is time management dehumanizing?

Before Breakfast

06:25 min | 2 years ago

Is time management dehumanizing?

"Hey listeners small decisions like what to drink. When you're thirsty can have big impacts honest has been on a mission for more than two decades to create and promote great tasting healthy organic beverages like the juice or t you might have with your breakfast now for every fair trade certified honest honest products sold the producer earns additional money that goes into a community development fund at origin the premiums fund bikes clean water schools or however the farmers choose to improve their lives visit honest tea dot com slash podcast to learn more about honest and how your small decision has a big impact? That's honest tea dot com slash podcast welcome to before breakfast a production of iheartradio good morning. This is Laura welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is about how to make plans without feeling restricted by your plans so the title I gave this episode is time management dehumanizing came. I'm from an interesting letter. I got from before breakfast listener named in Yes she wrote that after listening to the podcast she always felt encouraged to plan things out and schedule her life because she believed this would help her set priorities and build the life she wants but then she continued however calculating an advance what I'm going to do in my personal and professional life feels a bit overwhelming and dehumanizing because everything stops being spontaneous and every single our. Is planned out is your perspective on this any different well in a word yes. I I point out that when people talk about time management being dehumanizing usually they mean that it's actually to human controlled rolled some parts of time are purely natural phenomenon days years people tend not to feel too restricted by the fact that the sun keeps rising and setting over and over again. It's other smaller time units such as ours and minutes that are human inventions. These smaller inventions became very important in standardized during the industrial revolution when it suddenly mattered when the trains came into a station or what time factory workers came for their shifts the idea of scheduling in these small human human increments is what can sometimes feel alienating and restricting but I don't believe this has to be the case. I mean to me time. Management is about freedom because I know my priorities for any given week. I know that I can still make progress even if everything falls apart if I plan my workout well I won't be rushing to meet deadlines and as I've learned over the years. No one likes to feel rushed because I think about how I'll spend my time on weekends. I tend to have pretty good ones with various adventures. I don't feel like I lose my weekends to mindless scrolling or chores and errands. I also think that there is a huge gap between planning every minute or every hour and planning nothing. I actually don't recommend that people plan every minute. That's because stuff. If you haven't considered is going to come up always if every minute of day is booked when an emergency happens all that other stuff has to be chucked that's why people feel overwhelmed and behind but if only booked about fifty percent none of your day then you've got room for a whole half day of emergencies before your any worse for where you have my permission not to plan every hour please don't leave as much open spaces you can and then I think you can still get the benefits of planning lending without the feeling of restriction by setting some limited intentions for any given day for a week day what are three professional intentions that will help advance me toward my goals then what one to two things could do in my personal time that that would be meaningful or enjoyable for me and the people I care about a weekend might feature three to five intentions. That's really not a whole lot. There are sixty hours between that six P._M.. Friday beer and that six A._M.. Monday morning alarm clock five and tensions is basically a rate of one intention every twelve hours that can leave a lot of open space and no real sense of restriction but then you can also do cool stuff that does require planning ahead such as eating at restaurants where it's wise to make a reservation ovation or going on a hike with friends who probably have a busy scheduled to or volunteering somewhere that shockingly enough once they're volunteers to commit to showing up to me. That's not dehumanizing instead. It's really the best of both worlds open space. Plus stuff that you know will make memories now. I suspect many people who listen to a time management podcast probably already agree with me but if you're the sort who finds planning to feel restrictive I would love to learn how you've reached a balance in your life feel free to email Xiaomi at before breakfast podcast at iheartmedia Dot Com in the meantime. This is Laura. Thanks for listening and here's to making the most of our time hey everybody I'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips your questions or anything else just connect with me on twitter facebook and instagram at before breakfast pod. That's be the number therefore then breakfast p. o.. D. You can also shoot me an email at before breakfast podcasts at iheartmedia dot com that before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters thanks so much look forward to staying in touch them before breakfast is a production of iheartradio for more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows says I'm Dana Schwartz and I'm the host of noble blood a new history podcast from iheartradio.

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Ask HTM - Cutting Costs by Replacing Light Bulbs, Negotiating a Lower Credit Card APR, and Peer to Peer Lending #104

How to Money

38:16 min | 2 years ago

Ask HTM - Cutting Costs by Replacing Light Bulbs, Negotiating a Lower Credit Card APR, and Peer to Peer Lending #104

"I'm Dana Schwartz and I'm the host of noble blood a new history podcast from iheartradio in Aaron Minke that focuses on the stories of some of history's most fascinating royals the murdered the murderers and everyone in between the world is is full of ill fated love affairs bad decisions and family drama but when you're wearing the crown mistakes tend to mean blood listening subscribe at Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts so welcome to had I'm Joel Die Matt and today we are answering your listener questions. That's right Joel. I'm excited that we've got another episode. Answering listener questions we have an array of questions to cover today everything ranging from something as simple as replacing lightbulbs to negotiating a lower annual percentage rate on a credit card all the way to something a little fancier even on the lending club. That's that peer to peer lending. We're going to talk about that to you at at the end yeah that sounds good man but before we get to those questions I wanted to share with you something I recently read. Did you know that over fifty percent of the book sold in the United States now or sold through Amazon dot com and that kind of craziness yeah. That's not so man not only I read the same article because you and I communicate like that. It's not only physical books but it's also like electronic books audiobooks. I think it spanned all of the different media types that Amazon selling. It's insane though I don't think that's great for competition. That's not overall a really good thing that one company is selling over fifty percent of something like books in our country but I know our listeners are more savvy trying to save money when they're reading books or whatever and the best way to do that is by going to the library. We've talked about that before they're also awesome apps out there like overdrive overdrive that essentially let you borrow e books free from your local library system and so yeah just want to make people aware of that as I was reading that I was thinking oh my gosh there's so many people out there who need to know what overdrive is who need to go to their local library more and who should consider hitter skipping buy books on Amazon Yeah. It was interesting specifically about the article there are talking about how there's just a proliferation of fake counterfeit books that are being published because there's all these different independent sellers that are selling books on Amazon and Amazon isn't doing a a very good job policing what these different sellers are actually selling and so what that means are there are just photo like literally photocopied versions of books <hes> with inaccuracies sometimes there's completely fraudulent books being published with like they'll ripa bio off off of one author and then slap a different title that they make it made up on the cover and then they'll steal the guts out of another book. That's selling pretty well and slap it all together and try to sell that something else that article is pointing out though is that they really don't have any incentive to crack down because they still get a cut of those sales of all the books that are being sold that are even counterfeit they still get their share is what that means though is that it falls to us if you do need to purchase a book on Amazon falls to you as a consumer to read the reviews to not just look at the lowest price out there something fishy. Maybe actually read the reviews see what they're saying because it's going to be up to you. You've got to be vigilant before you click the buy yeah that's a good point and I think one of the easiest ways to circumvent potentially buying fraudulent books on Amazon to just go get a physical book from local library or at least borrow it for free on an APP like overdrive. We're living in weird times and I think Amazon purchasing is such an easy thing to do which is why so many people do it but also borrowing e books from overdrive is incredibly easy. My wife's been doing that. She's even been borrowing audio kids books for our children. The summer and Kinda just puts it on during rest time and they love listening to books and they're completely free from the library see. I think that's a good way to go for lots of folks. Libraries are the best no doubt artless. Let's mention the beer that we're having on the show today. This one's called a visit to my crazy aunt and to gin and tonic style from insight brewing and Listener Riley sent this on our way yeah. This is in your <hes> your typical New England style I I'm actually really looking forward to try this one out a shower thoughts on this one at the end of this episode. It's completely outside of the box so looking forward to check in and out. We'll let you know we think at the end of the show but let's get to our listener questions and if you have a question that you want to submit for matinee to tackle the show you can do so if you go to how to money dot com slash. Ask really easy instructions there for you on how to submit your question and let's get to our first one of the day Matt. Hey guys have a regular listener and I love the podcast. This is Brett from Los Angeles and I got a quick question for you so I have a car loan for about seven thousand dollars and I'm currently on a repayment plan to pay it off in about three years while I can comfortably make these payments and I like the credit score improving aspect of making so many on time payments as I am relatively young at twenty four and still trying to build a robust credit score. I also don't like the idea of having such a large hanging over my head. Are there any implications for me making a one lump sum payment to bring this total debt down. I'm from seven thousand one thousand seven hundred and then making the same number of planned payments on that debt just also scaled down in other words. I'd still be making the same number of payments but they're smaller. Does that provide less credit score benefit. Thank you so much for your time Haber. That's a great question and thanks for listening out there in L._A.. And so the biggest question that I think we should turn and ask you is. Do you care more about your credit score. Would you care more about your money asking the hard questions man yeah yeah. I've turned the tables so if your focus is on your credit and keeping your credit score up using this strategy to keep a line of credit open it can and probably will help your credit score because this is an installment loan. There's two types of loans out there or two types of credit right. You've got revolving credit. That's credit cards and then you've got installment debt like mortgage or a car loan both of those factor into your credit mix but if you're trying Brett to raise your credit score well make sure that you're doing it for a worthwhile purpose. Are you attempting to use your credit for major purchase in the near future. If you're trying to buy a home relatively soon well then this is a great route for you to take because keeping that line of credit open and showing that it's in good standing is really good for your credit score but if you're not attempting attempting to use that credit score for something big in the near future. I think you're over thinking it and it's probably just not necessary. That's right and in that case you should be focusing on your money. If the rate is at five percent or above maybe seven percent consider paying it off completely just be done with it. You could also also consider paying off other debt that might have a higher interest rate and bread. You know what you sound pretty efficient. How you use your money it makes me think he also might be pretty organized and disciplined so I would consider just getting a new credit card if you don't have already if you do have on and make sure you keep that line open but just make sure that you're paying that off every month and you can continue to establish and build your credit? You're you're only twenty four years old. That's your scores increase with age as you continue to take care of it so it's kind of a long game. Don't be too concerned with making sure that you have the best absolute credit score. You possibly have right now. Yeah the the length of your credit history is one of the main factors in how your credit score is constructed and so at twenty four. It's just GonNa be really hard to have an eight hundred score. I mean it's going to be next to impossible unless you are an authorized authorized user on a card since you were a little kid but you can easily have a really solid score even if you don't have a really long history of having credit but to Matt's point on opening another card it is a quick thing to your score now but it's a boon for your score in the long run if you handle handle the use of that credit card well so thinking about that having more accounts having diverse lines of credit and having them around for longer periods of time is a good way to go. Just make sure you're not paying massive amounts of interest to build your credit score. Would you don't have any reason to use your credit score for a major major purchase anytime soon. That's right Joel and also you mentioned it. You know the sort of hanging over your head. I think that's something to note that tells me that you really do like to not have things that you oh. There's an entire psychological component that you do not want to overlook look. I don't want to discount that at all right like it's hard to quantify. You can't put a number to that psychological aspect but man. If you know that that's going to make you feel better. That's all the more reason to go ahead and be done with that loan completely and just pay it off. No doubt all right man we got four more awesome questions coming up including question about disputing the property taxes on your house. We'll get to that after the break with a discover it miles card you can go further than you've ever gone before like Sunday interface book in your hand kids playing in the sand further that's because they discover it. Miles card offers unlimited one and a half miles on every purchase and they'll automatically match all the miles you earn at the end of your first year so you're thirty five thousand miles could become seventy thousand. It's just that easy. Get out there with your discover. It miles card today. Limitations apply discover match for new card members only learn more at discover dot com slash travel all right over to that question regarding the spewing your property tax but first a quick one about light bulbs. Hey y'all you discussed saving money on your utility. Bills and one thing you mentioned was replacing thing incandescent bulbs with L._E._d.. Bulbs while I just bought a new house and most of the light fixtures are fixed with incandescent bulbs. My question is should I wait for those bulbs to die die out before I replace them with the L._E._d.. Lights or go ahead and replace them with the L._E._d.. Lights what will save me the most money. They're tyler congrats on your new home. That's a big purchase and I love the you're already thinking about the nitty gritty of what light bulbs. You haven't got awesome. Is this thing you do it in tyler starting right at the very beginning so that's really cool and we did talk about cutting your utility bills in episode eighty seven and we mentioned that replacing lightbulbs is one of the quickest fastest ways ways to start to get immediate payback and lower utility costs so what will save you the most money replacing those light bulbs immediately. That's a good question so if we're talking about C._F._L.'s purses l._e._d.. Bulbs well then you might want to wait until the N._F._L.'s burnout because the difference in annual costs between an l._e._d.. And CFL which is a compact fluorescent. They're the ones that look like a an ice cream. Cone swirly also have mercury in them too so watch out. That's true they break open watch out when disposing of those that's for sure so converting from C._F._L.'s to l._e._d.. Is less of a necessity because it's not like you're paying that much more to to run those bulbs even though l._e._d.. Bulbs are actually cheaper to run. That's right however if you have some traditional incandescent bulbs man go ahead and replace those right now herbal you could be saving at least seven dollars a year other estimates say potentially seventeen dollars per bulb. He hasn't saying that sounds coming nuts right but if you can go ahead and do that now replace that with an l._e._d.. You're we're going to have massive savings. I mean if you're looking at multiple bulbs like imagine you take those same numbers multiply them. At least I'm guessing you. Maybe you've got ten bulbs at least that you need to replace in your home that could lead to some substantial savings yeah and it's important also to check with your electricity electricity company to see if there are any rebates on buying more energy efficient bulbs oftentimes there. Are I know that at least where we live at the big box stores like Costco. I know you're not a huge fan. We've talked about that recently but Costco actually has the best prices on L._E._d.. L._e._D. Bulbs right now and that's because our local utility company. Our local electricity provider actually subsidizes the cost of those bulbs that they sell at Costco so you could buy a six pack of L._E._d.. Bulbs at Costco Right now for seven dollars. That's just over a dollar a bulb l._e._d.. Bulbs typically are expected to last about twenty five years so when you're talking about spending just over a dollar a bowl and the length of time they're gonNA last not to mention how little energy they use. I think it's almost become a no-brainer just to start changing bulbs out L._E._d.. Bulb prices is have plummeted because if you think back just a few years ago this is a much harder question l._e._d.. Bulbs were at ten dollars eight dollars and then five dollars and as they've gotten closer to that one dollar mark it just becomes this really easy decision to make and before you spend all this time talking about how wonderful COSTCO IS I. We just bought like a twenty pack of bulbs off Amazon. We love him aimed. We hate them but they've got like Sylvania. That's one of the bulb companies whatever they've got some on there and there are listed at just under a dollar so they're giving costco a little run for their money. Okay okay all right and all the note of type of L._E._D.'s. It might be a little more confusing because they have different temperatures and different lumens. That's a little bit different than wattage right when it comes to the color most likely you WanNa get bulbs that say twenty seven Hundred Kelvin or k. and what that means is that it's just a nice warm inviting light you get anything above that like three thousand and above that light's going to be a lot cooler. That's going to almost seem blue. They call it daylight sometime unless you're doing interogations of humans in your home that's when you want that cold brutal light right exactly or maybe for your garage. You don't want it to seem super cozy in there. If you're looking for bulbs in there maybe you can get some three thousand degree bulbs in there but otherwise in the interior of your home twenty seven hundred is what you want. That's what I just ordered and that's what we have inside our home. As far as the brightness typically you want to look at something around one eight hundred lumens the brightness levels are measured by Lumens and that's pretty much the equivalent of a sixty watt bulb so just keep that in mind if you want something brighter than a sixty watt you can start looking at a thousand plus lumens but if you're looking for something a little more dim like more like a traditional forty watt bulb then you can look at something that's more like a six hundred and Below Arman. I think we've talked about life bulbs for I think that's it right about as long as we can without everyone getting bored out of their minds but that was a great question Tyler superfund. Let's get on to our next question. Hi Guys Money Miss Shannon and I'm from in Bedford Texas and my question is about disputing property taxes so last year was my first year as a homeowner and we just Kinda went along with whatever but this year we're expecting adding our property taxes to be a little bit higher because the area is really growing up and our home is appraising a little bit more and so <hes> we think we want to go about disputing it but we wanted to know if y'all had any advice for or how to do this. Do you just bash your home and try to show that it's not worth as much as it's a praising <hes>. Do you think it's worth the time that it takes to go dispute them and lastly do you. I think it might be worth it to hire a lawyer or a company that says they'll dispute it for you for a fee. Thank you Shane and great question and before we launch into this bashing your home you're not talking about like busting it up so I just WANNA clarify that for works with some holes into drywall punch this whole and then take a picture real quick he looked at our anything. It's the whole like my apartment in college fan one of our best friends apartments and right next to as they had <hes> there's literally a hole in the drywall white next right next to the fridge and it would cover it with like sheets of paper and just like punch through it to pretend that they're punching through the wall like the Hulk College right right and so we have another new homeowner here by the way Shannon congrats on your home purchase lashes here special homeowner segment right here is what it feels was like and it is kind of the season for people in certain states to dispute their home taxes and matinee man we would say it's a worthwhile endeavor where applicable where you do get a bill for your property taxes and you can actually dispute that tax assessment. It's really important to for accuracy and fairness and Shannon you live in Texas Matinee. We live in the state of Georgia and we have to battle this every year as well especially as investment property owners I mean I get five of these in the mail every year and it can a little overwhelming battling them and sometimes evaluations can go up at ridiculously rapid clips of thirty fifty or even one hundred percent of value increase in one year personally. I think that the law should change in how municipalities are allowed to tax your home but that's a topic for another day. Well Yeah Joe before we dive into it. You know one of the reasons we are seeing tax rates increase so much that is a lot of times it depends on who you purchased the home from and so have you purchased the home from somebody who bought that home as a foreclosure and maybe they paid like twenty thousand bucks explore it or they bought it thirty years ago yeah exactly and it's sort of creeped along. Maybe hasn't been assessed properly or fairly over the years and then you buy it for say two hundred which might be a perfectly fine price right but all of a sudden the tax records shoot from twenty twenty thousand dollars to two hundred thousand or two hundred fifty thousand and we'll guess what the assessed value of your home is going to reflect that and so the the previous taxes that were displayed for that property are really really inaccurate and make sure that you're keeping that in mind to do any homeowner out there who is considering purchasing a new home so the first step for homeowners to take is to file for homestead exemption in their state. That's the easiest way to save money on property taxes. Some people have worried that lowering the appraised value of your home that essentially challenging his tax assessment and getting the value lowered hurt the actual value of your home and that's not true. A potential buyer is not looking at what the tax records say. Your home is worth their looking at assessment online. They're looking at comparable home values. They're taking into into account your actual home. Not what the taxes are says that your home is worth so there's no reason to think that challenging the tax assessment and getting the value lowered is going to hurt the true value of your home and Shannon. The next up you WANNA take is to figure out the actual reason that you are disputing. You WanNa ask yourself the question. Is it truly out of line. You can appeal based on a few different reasons right. You have inaccuracy. Maybe they have some errors on your property tax assessment. They might have the square footage wrong. They might have the size of your lot incorrect. That's one way that you can dispute you can dispute a based on uniform which means that if there are several houses say it's newer development and a lot of the houses on your street are exactly the same and your house for whatever reason is the only house that is assess fifty thousand dollars more than all the others while well. That's a uniformity issue right there then again we kind of joked about busting your house up but I mean truly in fact. There are some issues with your house documenting those specific flaws with pictures that cain be helpful if it can bring down the market value value of your home so Texas has a similar process to Georgia. You can be heard by board of your peers. Make sure that you have documentation in hand to prove your point when you do have that hearing pulling calm by looking up the market value of nearby homes TMZ is really helpful. I I would say five that have similar bedroom bath square foot within a small radius of your home. That's going to be the most helpful to prove your point and win the case what interested me as I was looking through this because I'm planning. Planning to appeal property taxes on my own on a couple of homes that are inaccurate well. The county actually has the burden of proof to prove their case that the value they're citing is accurate. You don't have the burden of proof is the homeowner so if you have decent documentation documentation if you have just found some supporting pieces of evidence for why they're wrong you should win the case and so that should put Shannon at east to as she attempting to tackle this that really the burden of proof is not this overwhelming evidence that she has to compile but should be more simple actually early to win then that makes me really encouraging so it doesn't have to be like a Gresham novel where she has to show up with her defense in the Pelican brief and all that right I hope she writes a novel based on this appeal but my guess is that it'll be a short one and Shannon on that note getting a lawyer for a fee or sometimes they'll charge based on how much they save you. That may not be a bad way to go. It just depends on how much time you have and what your time is worth to you. You know it's also dependent on how much your home is worth. What the value value is because as a percentage of the value of your home? We might be discussing several thousand dollars here so keep that in mind but this is something that you can typically do easily yourself in your spare time. It's worth doing a little bit of homework to see what the process is going to entail. Some boards might want to see an appraisal for instance and getting appraisal that might cost you a few hundred bucks so right off the bat. You know that might set you back a few hundred dollars at least in if you're only looking to save yourself a few hundred bucks well. It may not be worth it also instead of getting a lawyer. There might be a local realtor hugh might be able to help you out. I say this because in our area there's a specific realtor who has sort of taken this upon herself. She's been able to set herself up as an expert on the process of going through filing only an appeal and going before that bore she knows the INS and outs. She knows what our local county is specifically looking for. She knows what won't work in so asking around and seeing if there's somebody like that they might be offering a free little seminar or quick meeting with a bunch of folks in for her. This is lead generation right like she gets to sign up. She has their email. Certainly she's helping folks to appeal but guess what when the time comes for them to to sell their house they're gonNA remember her name because she helped them keep more money in their pocket and so I think that's a pretty brilliant sort with a marketing strategy and approach but ask around there might be some free resources available to you there in Texas. You know what this makes me think of hiring a lawyer to do this. It makes me think of like a service that we've talked about before called ass trim and they'll take a huge cut of your savings to negotiate down your cable bill or your Internet bill and I don't think it's the worst idea ever but the fact is it's something that you can do for yourself pretty simply and the same thing is true with challenging your property taxes it takes just a small amount of gaining some knowledge and then following the process through to completion and if you do the things that we've just outlined I think you can easily do it yourself and it's not worth giving a huge chunk of those savings to someone else when you could easily do it yourself and the biggest thing that usually happens if you are able to successfully especially when you're appeal is that that tax rate gets locked in for the next three years at least in Georgia does. I'm not sure about Texas but that's important to note because if you win once it's not like you have to do the battle every single year you get to sit back and relax for three years because of the hard work that you've don now you gotta read the fine print and know exactly what steps you need to take for your local county and also pay attention to the date timing is important and if you missed that deadline to file that appeal well. There's nothing you can do until next year so we've got two more really good questions. Stick around real estate. Investing is historically known for making select groups bundles of money but being an online cutting edge experience available to everyone has never been shining glory until now fundraisers the future of real estate investing. 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I S E dot Com slash how to and get your first three months of fees waived fundraise dot com slash how to we got a question coming up about peer to peer lending which is an interesting one to tackle bullets to this one on negotiating your credit card interest rate I I met this is Cameron from Los Angeles California. I was wondering we'll be the best way to go about negotiating a lower A._p._r.. Rate on one's is credit cards. Thanks it came to that is a good question and depending on your credit score negotiating a lower A._p._r.. That's probably going to be your best bet but there are some other options and some other avenues that you might want to consider all right. Let's get into those Matt. Let's do it important thing to think about is if you can qualify for a credit card that offers zero percent interest rate for an introductory period. If so can you pay off that debt or get close to at least paying it off within that intro period if you I have great credit bouncing around like this to different zero percent credit cards and focusing on trying to pay it down while your rate is still at zero percent is a better way to go then just negotiating a few interest rate points off with your current credit card provider and also a credit unions. We are big fans and oftentimes we'll talk about heading there for a mortgage different kind of loan products that you're looking for man. Go there and check to see if they've got a great credit card. That's available to you in the interest rates are so much lower on credit cards through a credit union. They are through the major credit card providers. That's right but when it comes to negotiating down your A._p._r.. On a credit card that you already have you want to make sure that you are currently in good standing with that credit card company that means you know having a good history. Mystery of making on time payments and if you are they're gonNA WANNA keep you. It costs them a lot of money to acquire good paying customers and that's really they consider you a good paying customer if you have a revolving balance so they wanNA keep you they want your interest payments and if you have a good credit score that are more likely to actually lower your A._p._r.. Some to keep you around and if you with that credit card company for a while as well they value that I mean sometimes we'll kind of punch it on your credit card valued members since two thousand nine nine or whatever but bring that up. That's a good negotiating point. You want to be polite but you're negotiating here in his good to bring up pretty much anything that's GonNa make you look better in the eyes of the credit card company yeah so let's talk about the actual negotiation you call and you ask you ask politely lightly for the recurring interest rate on your credit card to be lowered. Make sure to be polite. No what typical market rates are that other providers are offering and don't give up. If you reach someone unhelpful at first glance you might need to ask to speak to a supervisor or just hang up and call back another time you can expect in all likelihood and interest rate reduction of between three and seven percent some providers offer a temporary adjustment while others might give you a permanent lower interest rate. Don't be afraid to haggle and to ask for more but make picture to do it in a fashion that acknowledges that you're asking for a favor while at the same time mentioning how good of a customer you've been this question it kind of dovetails a little bit with appealing your property assessment if you don't ask like there's no chance that you're going to get it at all right. It's kind of reminds me the episode that we did about the art of asking for a discount and so we would recommend going back to that episode that was episode number eighteen way back in the archives and given that WANNA listen it might give you some additional pointers on what you can say and we'll also put a script on our show notes as for this episode of just essentially what you could call up and say to your credit card company when you are going to negotiate that lower rate yeah haggling is not really a part of our culture is kind of part of my personality but it's not really a cultural norm nodule. That's just so much. The milk cost man's listen Kroger Dude. I've wanted cheaper price no so I'm kind of weird when it comes to negotiating but I think a script can help for a lot of folks. I think that'll be helpful to have that in the show notes but just remember that even just the threat of taking your balance in your business to another credit card company money can be the kick in the butt that they need to provide you a lower rate and the cameron once you are able to get your A._p._r.. Down make sure that you're staying on top of your statements that you do not miss a payments. If you were to be late on a payment or just miss it completely well your A._p._r.. Your interest rate is going to shoot shoot right up to where it was before. Maybe even higher yeah but you got this cameron. Get your interstate lowered and you know what key working towards eliminating that credit card debt altogether. That's right all right. Let's get to our next question about peer to peer lending. Hey guys loved the show this this is C.. J. From Honolulu Hawaii had a quick question about what your opinion would be on making money by lending out money on lending club. I have a friend WHO's doing it. He seems to be making pretty good returns in his case he has a great credit score and took out a personal loan which is only paying two percent interest on and lending out to folks on lending club for fourteen to eighteen percent interest. This sound like a viable option hope to send you guys some beer soon Ella Joe. Is this our first question from Hawaii. I think so I don't know but I'd like to go there in person and take show up in person take questions record that sounds like the life what a fantastic place to live yeah kind of expensive but they do have a costco and so they really makes things better a singular costco for the for the Big Island. There's just one you say right well. The Big Island will the big Alan is one of the islands there are many <hes> and I've never been so a while who is the most populated island but is not the big island yeah you know because you've been there. I've been there twice twice and I've been to three different islands but I want to go back. It's a beautiful place man I I always thought like it's just a beach. How different can be employed now? Toy Different better all right. Let's get to this question C._J.. You're talking about your friend. He's making fourteen eighteen percent man that that is amazing. I think there's going to be some anecdotal evidence out there. There are a few success stories like that. There are also a lot of folks who are not making a ton and I know this from personal experience <hes> several years ago I opened an account with lending club put a few thousand on dollars in there and to date. I've seen between one and two percents on my earnings. Yes not very good. It's not very good so I know it varies from person to person based on the majority of the sort of full fledged reviews that I've seen and this isn't just folks that are reviewing reviewing the product but I'm talking about different folks have done sort of a long-term review or they've you know they've had their money in for several years. I've I'm seeing multiple folks bailing and basically liquid any of their money taking other investments. They're turning off the automated investing feature which basically means the cash reserves are growing and then you can you can withdraw that amount of money but we do WanNa give lending club a fair shake so Joel kick it off. I want to mention one other potential pitfall with with what C._J.. was asking this question. He said his friend was taking out a personal loan in order order to lend money out on a peer to peer lending site like lending club and we definitely wouldn't advise that. I think we have to say that right now. It's IT'S WAY TOO risky to borrow money to do peer to peer lending on a site like lending club or prosper especially since he's choosing incredibly risky borrowers hours right. That's the only way you're going to get a return that is if you're choosing the absolute riskiest borrowers on that site so so much of the risk and reward in this scenario is who you choose to lend to and if you are going to lend your money out on a site like lending club it's really important to invest in the sweet spot which is lending to people with B and C grade credit that makes the most sense based on historical returns and common sense. You're not lending to people with just ridiculously horrific credit scores that often. There's a recipe for not getting paid back but if you'll temper your expectations with the returns that you might receive and you lend to people with better credit scores on the site you could potentially receive a five six or seven percent return. That's pretty healthy but just know that even that is much riskier than other ways that you could be allocating your money yeah. I think one of the biggest problems is that the results seem skewed because a lot of folks who have earned double digit numbers in the teens. They got started with lending club early on. Back then you were able to invest in riskier notes not just the encinos but they also had e F and g notes obviously they had a higher risk associated with them but they also paid much higher interest rates and you know what lending club doesn't even offer there's not anymore. They phased out F and g notes last year and they stopped offering the notes this summer so that's just one of the ways that they're looking to mitigate the risk but guess what with that mitigation of that risk means smaller possible return to you as an investor so I don't think it's at all fair to assume that the returns that were being earned over the past seven years are going to continue at all yeah. I think it's important for us to note here to that while we think peer to peer lending can be a decent option for people who have invested well in tax advantaged. It's retirement accounts and potentially real estate to for folks who have done well investing in those fears like let's say you're maxing out a 4. or coming close to it or maxing out your Roth I._R._A.. If you're doing well investing in the tax advantage to count the you have readily available able to you then. I think this isn't a bad option for a small percentage of your investment portfolio so it shouldn't be your first place to turn it should be way on down the line with smaller portions of the money that you have to invest and you should consider those those tax advantaged mainstream ways of investing to be top priority egil. You mentioned the 4. In R._A. But you didn't mention H._S._A.. And that's actually a little tease to our Wednesday's episode so stay tuned for that one. Oh Yeah Dude. I'm looking forward to tackle and that one yeah that's a advanced tease. He's however that being said if you do WANNA try out lending club you WANNA make sure that you're comfortable with the risk and not just with the fact that this is peer to peer lending and that you're loaning to borrowers who are individuals but just the fact that all your money is tied up with an individual company right this is compared to your money spread out in the stock market index funds where you're with hundreds of companies. Your money is with a singular company lending club so if you are going to go with them though make sure that your investments they make up no more than five definitely no more than ten percent of your overall portfolio. This can sort of be play money. Is this how I view it. If you want to go for it sure but this should be money that you can afford to lose yeah and me personally. I'm never willing to you borrow money. In order to invest. I don't like the idea of using leverage in the hope to seek future returns. It puts you in a precarious situation especially in the potential of something like a job loss so I'm not necessarily sure C._J.. If you're thinking about going that same route your buddy is but if that's the case I would definitely advise against that and when it comes to investing as well in different brokerage accounts don't forget the fact that Lenny club charges one percent and so we talk about how fees into your retirement savings that one percent it's a big hit on your returns. No doubt all right man that was a nice set of diverse question. I kind of feel like we just picked on lending club though right. They're not terrible but at the same time it's it may not be the best move for a lot of folks. No I definitely don't think they're terrible and I actually think that they could be a great place especially for borrowers borrowers to turn yes if you're in need a prosperous well for private lending and some people have had success investing their money in peer to peer lending and honestly I've at times thought of putting a small portion my investments in a peer to peer lending site like lending club. I've never done it. I'm glad you've got some experience with at least a share which is helpful but yeah there's like a proliferation of different kind of investing options now that we have the Internet and peer to peer lending is just kind of one of those things. It's grown a lot since its inception probably like a decade ago. Yeah that's Regio. Let's go back now to our beer which is called a visit to my crazy ain't which is a gin and tonic style Ale by insight brewing Joe. What'd you think about this one well I? I'm not gonNA admit whether or not to have a crazy aunt because if any of them listen. I don't want them to be upset that with me I will say I love this. The can work it almost has the same green that is in our album artwork. It's sort of like a seafoam green. Well yeah totally -Til Action Yeah. That's a good call all right well. I thought this was really unique and I love Unique Beers. I loved drinking a beer. That hat tries to reflect the tasting cocktail or just presents me with flavors in a unique way that I've never experienced before. I thought this be really did that. I think they did hit the nail on the head in in trying to establish that GIN and tonic style beer it was a really interesting drinking experience so major major thanks to Riley for donating this to us yeah Riley. Thank you so much Joel. I couldn't really drink this beer as a beer like I had to kind of go into it thinking okay. This is sort of a cocktail inspired fizzy drink less of an actual beer like it really didn't remind me more of a gin an atomic versus a beer which I love gin tonics by the way so I'm GonNa go ahead and put that out there and because of that I totally picks up on the tonic notes which is like Quinine. That's the bitterness that you get in tonic side. No kidding. I used to shoot weddings. Sometimes we would ask for or just a glass of tonic because just like bitterness yeah well. There's something about that bitterness. It's sweet but it's also got that quinine bitterness action going on and that was reflected in this beer one hundred percent. Actually I don't know if there's actual quinine in this beer but it sure to taste like it but this was like you said a completely different beer-drinking experience it almost kind of reminded me of hanging out on the beach drinking bud light lime which at times is completely appropriate sometimes yes that's not what we normally turn to bud light lime but it it's like a blend between bud light lime and like gin and tonic and so it's not what we normally go for man but I actually enjoyed this Yep superfund bearman all right so that's going to do it for this episode. You can find the show notes for this episode on our website how to money dot com and we'll specifically linked to those l._e._d.. Light Bulbs found on Amazon for less than a dollar a bowl they beat out costco and we'll also put that script up there as well on how to negotiate with your credit card company. 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Can We Be Friends?

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Can We Be Friends?

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Thank you for listening in your car through your headphones on the subway wherever you are. I I want to get a little housekeeping out of the way, you can Email us, your listener hills in voice memo form at hysteria at crooked dot com. These people in thirty seconds or so otherwise airline will get mad at you. Also are Nancy Pelosi shirts are back in stocks. You can go to crooked dot com and get yours before they're all gone now. Let's get to it. Do I sound better because I'm legit in my closet. Yeah. That was in you guys a picture. Okay. Good good. I think you should probably tweet the picture because I'm hold on. We're going to do that right now. Because you know, what I have so many forms of technology going on in this thing. I cannot wait to see it. Oh, my God so explained while you're tweeting if you can multitask like that why why why in your closet? Oh, girl, because I was a little echoey last time 'cause my house upstate is like concrete floors and high ceilings, so we're gonna make it more intimate with me here in the closet. Okay. Okay. You make it sound. Like, you live in a big kind of reinforce compound up say, you know, what I'm not going to lie. It's got some compound to it. Okay. And people drive by there. Like, I wonder what goes on in their nothing. Good. I actually went to a dinner party because of the neighborhood up here only has four houses, and everyone's friends, and they were like, we have to be honest, we snuck into your house like a hundred times before you moved in to see what it was like, oh my gosh. I'm gonna more that I'm gonna miss before bull. You appreciate people sneaking into your house. But prior to you couponing it that's exactly 'cause now they would trip in alarm because. Also that person. Right. Well, that's very generous of you to give them that that time they get like, Molly and time to go into your house. Exactly. Are we ready to do this? I'm ready. Okay. A lot of people are entering the twenty twenty race right now, which is both exciting and terrifying because we're a year away from the primaries. And I'm I'm going to die like I cannot put forth as amount of energy for the next year. I'm something has got to give have to go like in an isolation chamber something like that and rejuvenate my energy. But one thing that's really exciting. Is that all of a sudden instead of having just one woman running for president and having her be an anomaly, we have a whole bouquet of women running for president and on hysteria. We will definitely be able to talk about the men that are running for president the male politicians. I feel like we should maybe modify male politicians with the word male, just like female politicians of always gotten a modifier. But today, let's I wanted to kind of highlight. The women who have thrown their hats in the ring on the democratic side of things because there are five of them, and that's super exciting. So let's get started Aaron maybe we should call this segment. It's raining women. Okay. Did you like that? We. Yeah. Or maybe something better in so exciting. And also, do you know what I think is awesome? Is that they were all like I at of the gate, and they were like fuck this shit here. We are they're not like sitting and thinking and waiting. They're like, Nope. I'm here gonna do it. No one's talked me out of it. I've thought about it. I'm good for America. Take me as I am. And so and they've all had such interesting will Warren Harris and closure have all had their announcement events. And I have to say God bless him. He kluber shar because I'd be hard pressed to see any man have endured the blizzard that she did. And give a teleprompter. Lists announcement speech because there was no prompter in that blizzard and like make it all the way to the end. I feel like a man would have had like a canopy built or something. So that they could still give their speech without snow dripping from their hair, right? I watched like footage of that. And I kind of had. And these flashbacks of growing up in that part of the country. And and I just was thinking about how round this time of the year every year, my family group text chain gets extremely bleak because everybody nobody's getting any sun. It's snowing all the time like my mom's school got canceled for I think six out of seven days over the course of over one stretched because it was too cold to send kids to school if you. Yeah. If you're standing outside New York, upstate New York same thing. I mean, I think one when I was a junior in high school. We went to school in February like four days. Wow. Congratulations. Yeah. We in the snow Olympics that year that's one time when I was in elementary school. And this is totally off the rails. But this is just a testament, I guess we're talking about even are still. When I was when I was in elementary school. We had a sudden thaw in January, and then that night the temperature dropped to like twenty below zero. So the temperature was like forty five degrees in like twenty below. And then the next day we came to school and all the snow and ice had melted and become one giant sheet of ice. The playground was one sheet of ice, and we weren't allowed to go outside to play unless we were wearing our ice skates because the whole playground is a shining rink. Yeah. Think of what a different era that was that it was like actually kind of thing and acceptable. If you had just brought your skates to school. You're just go ice. It was in the winter. Yeah. It was in the winter. We had an ice rink at our school. It was like one of the only ways to successfully go outside during that time of the year. So we all had our ice skates and little Cubbies and stuff and this was in the eighties or wait nineties. Well, this I bet you didn't even have to wear a helmet to go ice skating. No, I didn't. But I have gotten several concussions Elissa if I'm being I'm being honest. I've got it's dangerous for me to get hit on the head again. I've. Gotten many many concussions in my life. But let's let's let's move on to the look back because I can't wait for you to come here. So we can talk about all this stuff in person. But I know it's happening. I Elizabeth Warren Elizabeth Warren democratic Senator from Massachusetts, she's focusing on some of her policy proposals. A lot of them that affect women a universal childcare plan. She proposed this on Monday that this would make childcare free for families with income levels below two hundred percent of the poverty level and to limit childcare expenses to seven percent of a family income, depending on how much they earn. It would be partially paid for through a wealth tax. Warren has proposed on assets above fifty million dollars as owns like a great idea. I know a lot of people who are middle class who have chosen to limit the size of their families. Not because they don't want to have children, but because it's not economically feasible for them to have children because childcare so expensive. So this is something this is a lovely idea. She also has a history of fighting on behalf of consumers against large Corp. Nations in banks and she's highlighted our experiences as a mother have shaped her political outlook. She is also a dog person. She Instagram's her dog allot have you seen Bailey Li. Yeah. And Bailey is very cute and barely gets very excited. When Elizabeth comes home I've seen that on her insta- story. It's very cute, but Warren faces some criticism for her handling of her native American ancestry after the Washington Post published that she identified as native American unprofessional forms. She's apologized for failing to recognize the distinction between ancestry and tribal citizenship and sovereignty what are your thoughts and Elizabeth Warren. So I love myself, some Liz Warren, I think that she is smart. I think that she I think, you know, the problem is if you look at all these stories, whether it's Clova shar, and the fact that she's maybe been mean to her staff a couple times, or it's Warren the media's picking up on these like little thing. Things. Right. And in this case, it's the unlike what she did bungled ancestry test a bit like, that's it was a very strange strange handling of it. But at the same time, we have a president who endured and the media led him indoor a tape with his own voice where he said he grabbed women by the pussies. So like to me, this whole thing is just like a nothing. And if we're going to hold I refuse to hold women to a higher standard than any man has ever been held to. So I say go for broke Liz and her proposals are things in America needs. Don't you think I find her really compelling, and I've been a fan of hers for really long time. I remember watching a frontline interview with her when she was teaching at Harvard law and thinking she was just the greatest thing I've ever seen. And I think what is really exciting about Elizabeth Warren is that if you're somebody who identifies as a lot more progressive, she's somebody who's sort of bridges the gap. Between the quote, unquote, mainstream and the progressive wing of the party, in my opinion. And the what she's proposing is very forward thinking and very to the left, and if you're into that, that's then she's your girl. So I'm really excited that that she's in the race. I'd love to see what else she comes up with. Let's move on. Senator Kamala Harris Harris's campaign from the outset was presented as comma Harris for the people. I guess it's a nod to her past as a prosecutor and here highlighted that. She wants her campaign to be focused on grassroots organizing in community issues. This is something that I find very interesting about Harris. You stated that when she has been asked about women's issues in her career. She responds by saying, okay. I'm so glad you wanna talk about the economy. It's a women's issue to care about climate change. It's a woman's issue to want comprehensive immigration reform. It's a woman's issue to think about criminal Justice reform, and it's a women's issue to care about reproductive healthcare in the Affordable Care Act. It's a woman's issue to care about so many of these things, I think that's great. That's one thing that sort of bothers me about the silo in. Off of different issues. I mean different things affect women differently than they affect men in general. But it doesn't mean that something is a women's issue. Just because it affects us more. So I like that characterization so one of the things that Harris gets criticism for is that when she was a prosecutor, she was tough, and she was tough in a way that a lot of progressives have found a a little distasteful in certain cases. A lot of people have problems with the way that she approaches sex worker has approach sex work and drugs in the past. So it'll be interesting to see how she adjusts or addresses, those things what do you think? Well, in the thing the thing that I thought was pretty interesting. I watched her the town hall she did on CNN because I was curious about this too because it is a little hard. But when she puts it into context, she says, yeah. Like, this was the nineties and by the standards of the nineties like I was pushing my department as far as to be as progressive as it could be, but it was still the nineties. There was only so far you could go. And so I I appreciate that. We forget that she wasn't doing all this stuff yesterday. It was twenty some years ago in the world has changed a lot. So, you know, I think that her response to that is fair and speaking of personal growth and giving people space to become a better version of themselves. Let's talk about Senator Kirsten gillibrand Jill brand has been campaigning with a focus on communicating to women and prioritizing their needs and running on her experiences as a working mother using campaign lines such as I will fight for your children as hard as I fight for my own. That's one thing that I really find compelling about her is that she has not in any way shied away from her femininity. She's she's not trying to lower your voice over pantsuits. She just is exactly who she is. And she put out there as a woman, she was one of the first members of congress in two thousand seventeen to vocally denounced Senator Al Franken after his sexual harassment claims came to light and called for his resignation. She's been remarkably consistent on this issue. When it comes to. Sexual assault in the military when it comes to workplace misconduct. She has been consistently zero-tolerance, which is to her credit. She she does not really do anything hypocritical around that issue. One thing that she's been criticized for is that her positions have evolved from centrist to more progressive pretty rapidly, especially on gun, control and immigration, and some people worry that she could oscillate back if the public demanded it what do you think about Senator children? So here's my here's my few cents on this one cure, STAN as I call her. She was my congresswoman she represented the district that I grew up in and she won. She worked here for a long time upstate Hudson valley Hudson, New York and north, and so I can tell you that when I was growing up the first day of hunting season in high school. There was of. You know, they came over the PA system because people would go hunting in the morning before school. And then they'd make it in time for home room and leave it like lo and behold every time around lunchtime, the PA would Blair. Hi, everyone during lunch you need to take your guns. Home can't have gun racks in the back of your pickup trucks. You know, your school grounds true story. And so for her when she represented just the district, not the whole state of New York, you know, hunting. I mean guns up here are for hunting. And so I think that you can really give her the benefit of the doubt going from sort of very rural representing a very rural part of the state, and to to becoming the Senator representing the whole state and understanding that there are, you know, so many different kinds of people that you are representing and that guns in, you know, metropolitan New York are very different than guns in Coxsackie, New York, right? Yeah. We had we had a. A similar kind of gun sense where I grew up, and it was people would have guns in the back of their cars and people would have to take them home as well. It was it's very different than if I saw gun like walking around in Los Angeles. I'd be like that is bad news. What I'm seeing right now. But if I was back in Frederic, Wisconsin and saw gun not so much bad news. I think that's an important distinction to keep in mind as we're assessing candidates who represented rural populations for sure. And also if we're going to hold people to the standard that they should never like what do we want in a president? We want someone who's a critical thinker who can you know, evaluate their positions on things. So if we're gonna say someone held the position ten years ago, and they're not allowed to move on from that with new information or progress in the times, we wouldn't have gay marriage there. So many things we wouldn't have. So I'm not for holding people to the standard that they cannot evolve. Yeah. I think that's a pretty cynical way to look at people. If you hold me to standards. From like the nineties. I would still be listening to like third eye blind and wearing Janko Paul. I would still look and dress like Eddie Vetter. I would be one hundred percent into that. Actually. It's coming back. I was I was really I was really fun back. Then. And finally, we get to Hawaii rep Tulsi Gabbard. She is the first Hindu and Simone American to serve in congress. She was elected in two thousand thirteen she was first elected to the Hawaii state legislature at age twenty one which is crazy to me. She was the youngest woman elected to a US state legislature her history and congress, however has been marked by controversy. It wasn't until twenty twelve that she announced that she was no longer opposed to same sex marriage, which seems late. We'll it seems late for someone who puts themselves out is so progressive, do you know what I mean? Like it does seem late for someone like her. Yeah. I mean, I feel like being a progressive in two thousand twelve who is just starting to come around to being okay with same. Sex marriage is like have you ever gone over to somebody's house, and they seem totally normal. And then it turns out that they're like really into like a hockey team. That's from city that they never. Lived in in your like your like what they have like a room of. I dunno. They have a room of like, Pittsburgh Penguins memorabilia in your like, you've never why are you? So into the penguins. They're just like, I don't know. I just like the penguins, and it's just like what what an anachronism. So I mean, I just need to confess that. I have a Toronto Maple Leafs hat. Oh my gosh. We'll see that tracks. For some reason tracks. Nice say to blue. I believe you. I believe you will Gabbard has also been criticized for meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-assad in twenty seventeen which is much too late to be meeting with Bashar al-assad. It was pretty well established by two thousand seventeen that he was a bad, dude. But Gabbard justified it by saying that as an Iraq war veteran quote. I've seen the cost of war firsthand. Which is why I fight so hard for peace. Not sure what she thought she was going to accomplish meeting all of a sudden 2017. Well, I mean, let's be honest. She clearly was like fancying herself some sort of like Oprah disciple. Like, she thinks she's going to go over and talk to Shara Assad, and like have a breakthrough or something like just fight for the peace girl. You don't need to meet sharla Saad like leave that to the secretary of state in the secretary of defense. Right. We're good, right? I think on one hand, you know, she's the longshot candidate in the group. But on the other hand, you know, you got to admire the fact that this woman has a ton of chutzpah. She was running for state legislature at age twenty one she's marching into congress trying to meet with foreign leaders. I think it's good to see a woman that has the overconfidence of a man who h agree and agree. That's what progress means progress means that we arrive at a time where women sometimes have the overconfidence of a man who hasn't quite earned it yet. But you know, good for her good for her. I just wonder how she's going to since her big deal was that she resigned the DNC vice chair ship to campaign for Bernie. I wonder if she didn't run against Bernie. It'd be try to be like female Bernie because I feel like there are other people who could be better fed a female. Bernie's, you know, I really you bring up Bernie, and I know that people are going to want to hear us talk about Bernie, but we have to save that for next week in cannot wait to talk about Bernie Sanders with you next week. I think it will be super fascinating to you mean when we're sitting side by side by making out we hands. We can even hold hands. We can hold your. Much in the storing. But you guys are very fancy so just no I'm not bringing makeup. I'm coming as I am like the picture. I just tweeted of me and my closet. Okay. Fantastic. I haven't even looked at it yet because I've been so focused on giving our listeners the best possible podcast. Okay. Well, listen, I can't we see you next week. This was great as always. And I talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. We have to take a quick break. But we'll be back with more hysteria. 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I couldn't even enjoy myself. I know the thing I hate is that it become so cliche like oh coffee. But like, I do need it. Yeah. Gosh, let's hope that nobody ever discovers that it causes cancer because I'll be one of those people's like huddling outside in the cold drinking like a smoker in the year two thousand outside of a bar in New York. We also have grace par. Actress activists and proud clog apologised those things are hideous. I have them I wear them. And if you're following our feud on Twitter, you will know that Aaron and I do not see eye to eye on this. No, look, I am approximately five feet one and can take all the help that we get a grew up with my mom telling me you should wear heels because there's something wrong with your heights, fix it. So I did. So now, yes, I'd probably wear look vs in particular, kind of they're pretty grotesque like in terms of their height and their lack of a he'll I'll give you. How do they stay on your foot? I don't know. I don't know gravity. Madge ci- magic rare prayer Dotson pregnant, grope Catholic. So I think that that explains it stay on your feet with the power of prayer, exactly. Le vian him. They a loop is looking out from every time. I brought them to rub him in my face. I did. That's exactly why did that. All right. Well, let's move onto our third. Michaela Watkins, multi hyphen, it funny person in Jim dislike her. I hate him. Why do you? Why do you hate? I hate everything about them. I hate the music that's playing I hate the it. It's either too loud or too soft. So you hear like some bad song? Really softly like just crank it or it's too loud. And you're like, no, I can't even the how is this getting pumped? I'm getting I feel salted. Yeah. I stopped going to regular gyms. I just run outside or go to an inside like clad like bar or yoga right bar is always really nice because it's it's mostly women and women are very cognizant of the impact. They're having on the space around them Moseley. So they're not making loud noises, and they're not doing any heavy breathing or anything like that. Because we're we're conditioned to feel like we're responsible for everybody elses reaction to us. There's not a hot sweaty ass outline of sweat on a seat about right, right? Nobody wiped it down, Jim. No, no, not. But today, we're gonna talk about women's friendships with each other. And why they're so complicated. I'm going to start with a very quick story. When I was in eighth grade. I had when I was in seventh grade this best friend, and we were kind of joined at the hip, and then some are happened. And we came back for eighth grade. Suddenly all my friends didn't like many more like I had no is also like a small school hoops. No. I didn't get boobs until I was a senior. Yeah. So I had to. Learn to get to survive on my personality on that go for you. It's it's why I'm barely tolerable now. But, but I was like all all of the girls groups together and became a group that just was like the regular group just minus Aaron, and so I started, you know, I it was this very like lonely sad. I didn't understand what was going on. I didn't know why they didn't like me. I didn't know what I was doing wrong. And you know, as a grownup, I've talked to a lot of women that had one bad year or like one bad semester. They came back from, you know, Christmas break in sixth grade and suddenly their best friend was mad at him. And and I've found that that sort of formative experience kind of informs the way that we approach friendships with women as we grow up because something like that can be very traumatic for you. And as you as you age, totally changes the way that you view other women yet, we need other women Dana I wanted to start with you. Did you have a bad year or a friend break up that kind of informed like your female friendships? I went to a really big high school. So I was really lucky that by the time I got to like middle school in high school. I sort of had like three or four girls who are my speed. But I remember really specifically in fifth grade, which is very young my kind of small elementary school class had sort of stratified where it was very clear. There was a group of like the cool girls. And then the group of like, the more artistic like, you know, just like girls who didn't care about like the hair makeup and boys, and I was sort of like somewhere in the middle. So I could sort of be with the cool girls, but always sort of be on the outskirts, and like always like be questioning what I was saying. And know that I was never quite as cooler, quite as included or it could sort of hang with these girls who I had like genuinely more fun with. But in the back of my mind, I knew that like, I don't know like, my mom, and my sister, and my family, and like the rest of my town was definitely more like the cool girl speed, and I should have been like striving for that. So I have this sort of choice of whether I was going to be like the loud and proud and the. Artistic black sheep, or, you know, keep flat ironing, my hair, and you know, trying on makeup, and I think I kind of made the wrong choice. Wait, which one did you pick? I think I was always sort of miserable on the outskirts of the popular girls. Yeah. When she was just gone, full popular. Yeah. Exactly when I should full mean, girl. Yeah. Did you ever find that when you were growing up that you sometimes the popular girls kept you around because you suspected it was because you were clever, and you could come up with funny things to say that they'd be like, that's fun. Like, they were the type of people that would just point at you and say that's funny and not laugh a little bit. And I also feel like so my name is Dana Schwartz. And if anyone's ever like put that together there's Danish right in there. Oh, I went through a long period of my life where people just called me Danish. And so I feel like I was sort of like the comic relief. Yeah. I can see that being the case. How about you grace? Did you ever have a friend break up when you were on the younger side? Well, I was the one doing the breaking up. Of course, you you're so cool. I was fourth grade gray. So this is Barry young. This is like I we're talking nine years old, and it really informed at all of my female friendships after that. I'm sure you with a clipboard doing it. Very much. So I was just I Aaron listening to you talk about how you came back one day, and like your best friend, just like all these girls are just like I want to be friends with you anymore. I was on the other side of that where I at some point had this best friend fourth grade. And I don't even remember specifically which wanted has got it was awful, but it was very small school very small private school. And I just got sick of this girl. And then I decided that I wanted to be best friends with another girl. So I just slightly like started making the moves on this other girl and became good friends with her and then the other girl was left in the lurch. Wondering what happened and I never gave an explanation, and I've never understood why I never understood why did you start to find things that were wrong with our like think I did. I think I did. And I never vocalized it to anybody not to her. I wasn't. I wasn't mean in the way of like, oh, I don't want to be your friend anymore. Just like slyly became better friends with this other person, and then declare this other person, my best friend, and she was very happy to be my best friend. So I was like great. I guess this is a cool thing that I can do we moved up. Yep. Here's a I guess so. But here's here's the thing within one calendar year. I became known at that school as wedgie woman because I was given the Christmas recorder solo to Ochoa faithful, and I did the solo and. Guess at some point. I like had pull a wedgie in the middle of his performance nine year old grace, and I did it very deathly. While still performing the solo note perfectly on what instrument the recorder that's a to hand in a little bit. Yeah. But there's a few few bars where you just it's just on one hand that is if you're really good at record media. Wow. So within a few months, I got my Justice hurts by being called wedgie woman. And then I went to public school after that. And never saw any of these people again, and it did inform my future friendships because I realize like, oh, that's no way to to treat. Somebody karma's. A bitch is your wedgie performance on video somewheres. Very absolutely. It is somewhat on your website. I should I should be terrified. Yeah. Just kind of put it all out there before anybody else can figure it out for you. Do your own research. Exactly. That kinda reminds me of this piece that I read in Pacific standard about a woman who was the one being broken up with as an adult, and there's also been research into the ways that women and friendships in the ways that women kind of ramp down friendships, and it's because I guess because we tend to be less confrontational a lot of times. If you're the prison getting broken up with you never understand. Why what happened Michaela as an adult? Have you noticed that kind of patterns that were established lamented school like Grace's patented slow fade continued to be away that women kind of disconnect from each other? Yeah. You know? I mean, grace, I was the I my sixth grade version of that I was the receiving end where my best friend ever in the whole world. Just ghosted me one summer, and I went into school, and I got me notes past and oh, yeah. Same thing. Yeah. And I just and then when we became friends the following summer again when she just got sick of, you know, aggressively hating me all year, you know, she just called me one day, and I immediately forgave her. Because you know, I had a really grow in this other way, where my my best friend was gone inexplicably. And so I became friends with an most available person. And it was the girl who, you know, developed very early had very big boobs and was sort of like, a more, you know, we smoked cigarettes gather, we were very bad together. And and my studious best friend, you know, that was a real turning point. So Aaron to your sort of thought about breaking up as adults. It was that was Virginia radio with your friends. Yeah. You know, I have a theory. And I don't know if this is scientifically backed, but I've lived my. Life. So that's my signs and. And what I can say I feel like very confidently is that if I were to sort of GPS, the the greatest breakup of my of my friendships. Sixth grade college. Maybe there was one in my twenties. Not sure not big enough. But one, you know, in my early thirties that could have been a break-up, these are all really seminal points of of my personal Eva Lucien. So like grace, you, you know, were attracted to this other girl, and you know, I'm sure that brought such a new freshness to maybe more who you authentically were starting to become right now night. And and so I had a moment. Here's an example. Because when I think back on my life as I sit by fireplace. Great your memoir little around my teacup widdling for some reason. Wittling exactly watching antacid commercials. Listening to a haven't gotten the pink. As I do that. I really think back about how these moments were just such a breaking point in my in my life and a case in point. Here's an example in my early thirties. I had a friend. She became our first French to be successful monetary six monetarily successful. She bought house. She had a business manager. She yet guys it was for real. She would throw a Christmas party because she had a Christmas tree. You know? I was like I was affected by a waitress, and I was buying rolling papers. All I could afford and the dynamics started to shift in our relationship where I was sort of you know, she would throw me a bone. Like, hey, we feed my cats while ago to this, you know, yoga retreat and things like that I'll pay you know, I could use the cash that kind of thing in our dynamic release started to get off kilter, and we were very good friends. And then she started talk to me like I was sort of hired help, you know, and I was wrong. Really an an and the more. This was starting to happen. The more I was kind of filling the role of I'm a mess. I always have a story. Oh my God. The craziest thing just happened to me. I was filling this role of court jester in our friendship, circle because my self esteem was kind of in the garbage too. You know, and this dynamic was getting more and more pronounced. I finally, you know, the more she talked to me like this the more. I realized I had to confront her. So it was this moment. And it depends on who the people are because we easily could have broken up. But when I said to her you can't talk to me like that. Her response was oh my God. I had no idea. Thank you for telling me this. We have broken up. But we're also met was I no longer if I wanted her to respect me and treat me as an equal. I had to stop acting like a little stupid sister. I had just I had to grow up, and I can really pinpoint that as a beginning of a transfer. Nation in my in my like, social and mentally beliefs. And then my life changed like my work life changed, and I changed my status because my status in that friendship shifted my status and my life shift. So sort of like, you're giving yourself a talk like I can't treat myself like this. You know, you can't talk to me like this. But I can't treat myself like, right? And I was shaking because I'm so conflict averse guy. This is the end this is the end of this really important friendship, but I had to get in place my mind, where I'm like, I'm ready to let it go because I don't want to fulfil this role anymore. Wow. Well, I think that's a really interesting point. And it it really it crystallizes the essential -ness of female friendships and also the danger that was like we need them in order to be fully emotionally fulfilled. But we also they can totally fucking blow. Our lives up. I was thinking about the difficulty in making new female friends. I've moved cities a couple times as an adult. I moved from Chicago to New York in the New York. To Los Angeles. And it's really hard to maintain friendships that you made after a certain age, and then you move to a different city like the people that I met in New York. It's like, it's hard. It's hard because it's like so what you do today. You went to work in the subway was bad. Cool. You know, it's like you don't have those data day commonalities anymore. I have a group of friends. Who we all met in college at Notre Dame, our freshman year, and there's like fourteen of us and we've been on an Email list serve since the year two thousand three and we still talk almost everyday there's somebody emailing on the list of and I can say with confidence that if I met met any of these women out in the wild without having the history that I have with him. We wouldn't be friends. But the fact that we have this history. You know, it's like one of them is like an aerospace engineer one of, you know, a couple of them work in like, you know, pandemic research. It's like, I never would have met them. I never would have become friends with them one thing that I that. I think though is like, yeah. I never would have met them. I never would have been drawn to them. But also like it's hard to make him. Like, how do you come across those people that you can grow with in the future and Dana? I know that you relocated to LA to have you found it to be difficult to make new friends. Yeah, I will fully admit like, I'm really bad at making new female friends because I'm also like a very lazy person. Like, I'm not good at being like. Let's go out and do a thing. I'm not looking aggressive, and I think that comes from. So I had three siblings growing up. So I still do. But I think that when you have when I had two sisters and a brother like, I always had a full house. So I never had to be that kid who like during the summer was like needed another person to spend time with. So my best friend still in a layer people that I knew from college, and I've always found, and I'm not at all one of those girls whose like surrounded with guys all the time instead of female people, but I do find that sometimes dating is easier than like going on a new friend date because at least when you're going on a first date with a guy the expectations are established. And you know, what you're doing? You're like we go on a date, and you have fun, and you have a good conversation. You have like a romantic spark. And then the steps to that are like handing get media. Jay. But, you know, then you go on a few more dates, then you become exclusive those who she date for Bullock with a female friend. You're like you go on a date. You're not like, it's not sexual you. Don't know what you're looking for other than a good time. And then like, you have a second date, and then maybe you invite her to your friends that is so much harder and more nebulous to me, and I'm very bad at it. They all feel like like, a general meeting should be giving them little water bottles. Still. It's it's I think that's that's very true. Because you don't know what the expectations are because the reality is our friends all feel very different roles in our lives. There are the best friends that are, you know, writer dies, you call them anytime, you need to be bailed out of jail, which is a lot for gonna say. So I guess maybe the fashion police are arresting you for how long heading your that. I'm receiving here. I love it, actually. Yeah. And then, but then sometimes they'll could just having a drinking buddy friend is is fine too. And if that's the expectation of the friendship, and if that's achieved than it feels it feels fine. The difficulty is how do you have how do you have that harbor say the the first friend day, and there's like a hump before you're like real, friends and not artificial from. Yeah. Home. Yeah. It is. But once you cross that threshold it's so earned like oh, God, I'm so glad it's like you get it's the feeling of buttoning your top button. Taking your hand. And you're like. Non-sexually scratching your Pugh. In your hand on your mind. And on Mons. I think that's what hand on. That's one thing that I think is working in a creative field that the I think the line between friendship, and like co worker sort of becomes blurred. I've been writing for the last I think the first my first full time writing job was like seven and a half years ago and ever since then I've been in positions where it's like part of what I do is like putting myself out there and using myself and my real opinions and experiences and personality to relate to other people in my work. It's not like I'm going to count sitting there. You know, just like accounting, or whatever, I am you like, it's my myself. And so when people respond to what I do it's in a sense of response to me a human being, and I interact with people that I work with on a personal level that feels very it's much more intimate than like typical co worker relationship and also you're being creative together. And so that's like a lot more intimate as well. But I've also found that like working in a creative field, which is so nice means that when I'm done working in a creative field. When I'm done with work. I am sort of like, I don't I who am I gonna talk. Yeah. I don't want to talk to the people that had just got done working with because I've just working with you. And like who who am I going to another person we can talk about the stuff that we just did? And it just becomes his whole weird thing. I don't know Michaela as somebody who's been working in a multi hyphen. It have you found that it's been a sort of there's been a blurring between work in friendship, and is that something that has caused complications and making new friends, or is it something that kind of dovetails career, you know, it's it's such a weird world, I live in too because you know, I'll go work intimately with somebody for three months get to know every single detail of their life, and then not see them again for three years. But if I do see them that that's been so established because we spent such long hours together because work is such that, we're kind of laid bare and because chances are if you're working with other actors there, Gary is outgoing filter. Lists boundary. Louis people as well. So I I have a different experience than somebody who works in HR Kaiser permanent day, you know, every day. So I understand that. I have at this acute version what it does sort of make. Here's what the problem. Sometimes, you know, I'll go on a work Jag and come home. Be like, I wanna call me friend. We who are my friends. Do I have friends because I've had this allusion that I've been so social all day, I've been work I've been working, but it's this illusion that I've been so social and sharing so intimately. But then I realized oh have to go out of the plants and plants being my actual friends. You know, I to go like caregiver there because I have to keep those connections alive because it's a felt sense of of friendship, and social and intimacy, but it's not it's not the real thing. Like, your real girlfriend? Yeah. Yeah. Anything that? Also reminds me of another important point like we started talking about childhood friendships in the way that those are formative, and I wanted to move into talking about a kind of interesting like relationship that exists in the limited space between. Friendship and professionalism, which is like the mentor thing as women, you know, especially in in a lot of fields women are in the minority unless you're in like teaching or nursing or something in undertain -ment women are in the minority in, you know, in in comedy women are in the minority and writing for the most part women are in the minority. And so we're taught we're told that we need to seek out female mentors. And there are women who kind of blazed a trail and a lot of people are seeking those women for mental Michaela do think it's fair that we expect women who have blazed trails to stop and give some of their energy to helping other people. Yeah, I think it's totally fair. I'd really do because I don't think it's fair to ask me to take out your neighbor's nephew or stepchild out because you wanna be a hero to that neighbor. I don't think that's fair. But I think it's fair because I was you know, I continue to encourage to advise to support to promote and to take a moment. It to listen to young women, or or or other women, or you know, I think that we have to do that like it's our job because I think the problem in those friendships have middle school and high school, and everything is that if you've ever been on the receiving end of a friendship break-up, it's that feeling of not somebody not having your back and women are savvy, and we understand sort of the the the the intricacies of our friendships. Our work dynamics in a way that is so immediately clear, especially you're you're smarter friends, and that's why you chose them. And so we need to know like, I know you get it. And if I feel like you don't have my back, then we have just basically leached all our power away to something else. And it it is pointless and senseless it the the greatest power. We have is is the fact that when we come together we are unstoppable. And I don't mean this. I don't mean this on all lenient, lean any. Right. But but it is so true. And I only want to see women excel, and you know, ascent to power positions. I want to do away with the stupid idea that there's only room for one woman at the top. That's dumb. It was something that we were sort of led to believe in order to be competitive with each other and we bought into it. And it's bullshit. And so I absolutely one hundred percent think it's our job to mentor. Do I think as a friendship, you know, because I know you've talked about like what's the difference between mentoring and friendship. Well, a friendship is you take turns mentoring each other. That's the difference other. You know, if you're a mentor, and that's like you're just expected to sort of help guide. Great. But a friendship you just take during I have a question about mentoring because that is something that makes me very nervous having a mentor. Do you is it like a formal thing to ask someone to be your mentor? How it work you're supposed to buy a rig denies it. Like, a the plan the whole thing you get you get lemon. It's like a prompt imagining it's more like when you him to be your bridesmaid. You have to get them like an embroidered thing. Cross-stitching neuroscientists get mentors being I don't I think it's a little more subtle and are just terrified of asking anyone for anything. I air more on that side. Yeah. I think that the friendship versus mentorship thing is really interesting. I think that I have a couple of women who are older than me who I'm friendly with who I consider them kind of mentor to me. But I also feel like it goes both ways because sometimes they'll be like, oh, what's what's this? That's going on among people that are your age. You know, I feel like we exchange information consultant. Yes, I'm the vibe guy just like providing the vibe. But I think that you know, one thing that I wanted to say my question about mentoring is because I think sometimes people who don't embrace mentoring do it because they think it's going to be a drain on their energy. And I found that in the limited times that people have asked me for something that I've found it I found it very energizing like it's really cool to like go to coffee and have somebody. Bunch of questions and be able to kind of horrible put everything just like tell them. You know, how give them advice or imagine that you're going back in time and talking to a younger version of yourself, and what you would have needed to hear and I find it very energizing grace final thoughts. I don't know that I have had a female mentor, and it's it's it's kind of upsetting the more. I think about it. I've definitely had little sisters younger younger girls younger than me and high school and college and in energy tain -ment, who I think I've I hopefully, you know, hopefully, been something of a a good voice for, but I I've never I've certainly had male mentors that have been very beneficial. But a lot of it what you mentioned, and there aren't that many women in entertainment who've ascended to certain levels and have been open to being mentors on which I think is something that has to change completely Michaela. With all the you're saying about the power of of women helping each other began man, I want to go get a mentor now, I don't think I have one I think we should just open a big home. Home an orphanage style. And all the like little baby writers and actors comedians can come and stay there, and like they all stay in bunk beds. And then they go to like mentoring sessions. I give it ten days before it cannibalize it. So it's. It would be fun as a limited run series. Yeah. And we just don't imagine a past six up. Everything was fine. Everything turned down. All right. Well, we've said everything possible that can be said about female friends. No, I'm kidding. I'm sure we'll come back to this topic because it super fascinating. And I know that we all have a lot of experience with it. And it's very important, but we have to take a break. And when we come back the hills people die on. Hysteria is brought to you by squarespace. Have you ever thought about starting a blog blog? Ooh cooking. Bog? Maybe a cooking blog. Do you have products or services to sell? Maybe you have a business to promote or an upcoming event to announce. Well, a dream is just a great idea that doesn't have a website yet. 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That's squarespace dot com slash hysteria. Pay. We're back with more hysteria. Dana grace and Michaela are here with me for the hills that we will die on first. Let's get to the listener hill high hysteria. My name is Sarah the hill that I will die on is leaving dishes to quote, unquote, soak is just lazy. It is so much faster to wash the dish. When you are finished with it. Instead of forcing me to put my hands in cold dirty water, several hours later, it's disgusting. I do not like it. Thank you very much. Nope. You gotta soak overnight. They gotta soak them some pots gotta soap, I agree with the listener. I agree with the listener. I I told you guys all that. I think that I'm being possessed slowly by the ghost of my dad grandmother, correct? Yes. So my dad grandmother who is like a super super neat freak like just, but she always smelled incredible. But our hands are always dry because she was always cleaning things she she used to do the dishes and her house was like neat as a pin. And I've since I've moved out here been super anal about washing the dishes right away. Like this p- this weekend. We're we're away at Laguna beach staying in like a little like cottage and after meals were done. I would like leap up to try to do the dishes. And eventually I had to be like people that were there with me were like do not stop doing the dishes Aaron just enjoy yourself. So I agree don't soak them wash them. But sometimes there's there's there's detritus and sometimes I don't want to do the dishes. Love doing dishes. I like if my if everything went to shit, and they're like, okay, you're going to be a dishwasher, I feel like that's fine. What do you like about it just there's a beginning a middle and an end, I get that. There's such completion. I like the sound of running water. I write screenplays while I'm the water runs. I forget them as soon as I've done doing the dishes, but it's just such as an meditative plays. And I just love the feeling of completion. It's amazing to me. I can respect that. Yeah. It's nice because because when you're a writer, you never you're it's like, the feeling of always having homework on you're never ever done with it. But also, I like the chapter break after a meal because I'm somebody who's I always joke that I'm extroverted Shuten and Amelia, so fun. Ha ha, let's all Chit chat. And then I'm like okay recharge. I'm going in the kitchen, I'm going to do all the dishes. Yeah. I need it. Wow. You in grace get together and talk you guys you guys can't ever co host a party because you would have to brawl over who. That's true. Well, I could be cooking. I could be at the Stowe and you hate cooking. I love cooking. So all can you do the? Dishes. Great sitcom, I love it. I mentor mentor old eight home. It's going to be. Okay. Well, that was that was a good hill the die on I'm going to start with our hills. Here's my health. I have I'm no longer online dating, obviously. But I have an app on my phone from this store that's like very expensive. But I like going through it in Harding things that I liked it's sort of like speed dating. It's like Tinder for things I'm not going to buy and so I've gone there. And it kind of noticed like oh this outfits for this is what's trendy blow up. I've noticed this coming season. There's a trend of shoes that have like clear like containers for your feet, like a like, a pointed toe shoe with a with a clear material over your foot, or like a sandal that has like a clear straps. Yeah. No like lifestyle, the sweat moist. Jellies for when they're like, they're like pumps porn made about the. Yeah, they're like pumps made of clear material or they have like stripes of clear material. It's usually like unbreathable plastic and in the picture in the catalog picture, whatever it's like this. It's like a foot with like the clear line drawn around it. But in reality when you wearing shoes your feet get sweaty. Yeah. They get hot. They expand into the space if they can't breathe it just is going to look like your have you ever seen one of those like fetal pigs. That's like about to be dissected. And it's like like smashed up against your feet. Look like fetal pigs insights. I should say, they're horrible. And they shouldn't be sold. And I cannot believe that we've gotten to a point in American history when this is an acceptable thing. We need to know. No, no, clear shoes. I'm so scared right now because I think I'm going to end up buying a pair of shoes. Like that. I think but and I'm not talking all clear. I'm just talking a little stripe of clear because a great for all skin tones, maybe. Yeah. But they make all skin tones, look like they're fetal pig. I know I know there was one there's one picture that. I can imagine my head of Kim Kardashian. I thank or one of the credentials wearing all clear boots L that was that was too much. And it was just like the condensation on you can just take it. You can just smell that picture your. Yeah. Like have you ever tried to wear pants, the don't breathe like vinyl pants, and you put them on? And it's the only time you wear them because you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've Arash leg Beth. Yeah. Exactly. Grace you want to go next. Yes. I would like to go next. Aaron thank you, my hill that. Fourth grade grace over here, my hill that I would like to die on this week is I am sick of hearing are gender complain about our temperature problems. We're constantly getting cold, and then we're constantly getting hot. And we're constantly talking about it. And I probably airing on the side of having a thyroid problem, I fully understand this. But every time I go into grocery store. It's like it's the first time, and it's not it's I was in a grocery store two days ago. It's like grace get it together, you need a jacket for grocery store plane when your cold because you knew this was going to happen. And if you get overheated under the sheets at night, you also knew that was going to happen because the same shit happened to you last night. So I'm not saying that we need to be like, I don't know. I don't know. What that is here. I'm just saying that we all collectively need to stop talking about it so much because it's boring. We all go through it. We all understand it. We just have to move on. Okay. Thanks, very that's fair. I mean, I think that. Yeah. It's just there's a point at which you just have to accept. The fact that the problem has existed forever. Going to layer up bitches. Honestly. Yes layer up bitches. It's like the way people describe childbirth where they're like you just forgot how painful was till you have another. And then you know, I every time I go to the grocery store. I forget a parka, and I forget my bags. Yes. Every time every time we never just chopping fucking smart about it and move on. Okay. Yes. Fair enough anger. All right Michaela. Do you wanna go? Sure. Let's talk dog etiquette. Okay. I have a dog. He's the cutest dog in the entire world. Name is Jeff and he's a terrier mix and your dog is named. I was about to say my favorite thing in the world is when pets have people knew. The dog. I bet you somebody will call and be like, here's my hill. People names on dog. I'm trying to find him on Instagram. Oh here. Let me just pass it around pick go to my Instagram. It's just though we're all we're all pulling up, Jeff. But the whole point about Jeff is he a rescue and he's the dog, and he's he's a love bug. Oh my God free. And is insane. Yeah. He's beyond. Oh, no Jeffrey. And everybody's like, oh, here's here's my hill. If you say he's he's a rescue. He's very inconsistent with other dogs. Okay. He's very protective of us because he loves us dearly. And he he's seen the dark side. And he doesn't want to go back. And so he's kill anybody who tries to he thinks threaten us in any way. So that includes your dog. So when when you say is your dog friendly, and I say as little weird whether the dogs that's not an invitation for you to send your dog up. My dog's ass. So I if people are like, oh, my dogs except and they say, oh, well, my dogs friendly, and I'm like, this is not about your dog and congratulations. I'm really glad that you had the foresight to have a dog with like, incredible dependable demeanor. My dog can be an asshole twenty percent of the time and won't and might try to kill your dog. So if if one in five times, I'm like, yeah. You wanna play Russian roulette with, you know? Oh, that's on you. But like what's going to happen is you're going to sue me when my dog takes your dog by the throat, so and and not seeing will. But when I say inconsistent, and I say, you know, not great with other dogs. It's a friendly way of saying back off. Yeah. And I don't know why people are like thinks it's an invitation to come close Chow. Maybe it should just say, he's he's traumatized. He's very afraid of other dogs just like exaggerate say he's afraid of people who don't understand social cues. Perfect. Well, I think that the problem there is that person would not understand that. So. But I would have such pleasure from it would be funny. If I were like watching from an impotent like perspective, that's a good joke. That's good writing good writing. But unfortunately. Dishes. All right, Dana. What's your hill? All right. So I spent a lot of time on Twitter, and I've noticed the sort of joke premise coming back where people being like looking up a recipe for Chuck cookies, and it's like the blogger writes for forty eight paragraphs about her grandma and people are like making fun of that like that cooking bloggers like before they give you the recipe that make you scroll through the story of her divorce. And I'm like, you know, what shut up. No, I won like reading about food bloggers left lives, and like how they came to that recipe. Like, I want the story of like, I tried it with more flour. And then I took out flour and like one I want that recipe to just scroll it's not that hard. If you really want the recipe, you can just scroll new enforces you it's not like the, apple terms and conditions. Like, you're not supposed to click that you read the whole story. Right. Three like women mostly women do this online for free, and it's just like a place where women feel like they are comfortable talking about their lives and their experiences and. Food is a thing that primarily women connect to relationships and emotions, and I think that when people are like stood up and just give me the recipe. I like that hurts my misogyny head my alert misogyny head. Woman. Just give me your food resin. Yeah. Exactly. I'm like if you wanna risk just like go to like the food network launch. Putting this up about your grandma. I'm like food blogs are a space where women usually working for free feel that they can write about their lives and their experiences making missing and you being like shoot up because I'm my fingers are too tired down not wanting to read the thing. He wrote. I'm like, you shut up, you know, Gerald, or whatever your name is. So I don't like that hacky premise that. I feel like there's always a new viral tweet that people think they're the first one to come up with complaining about women. You made me really care about food blogger don't claim if you don't want to read it don't read it. But don't shame women. I I agree with you in part. But I also as somebody who is like, I love cooking Espy's from blogs. I think is blogs are like somebody actually tried like, it's good. They're only a couple whose writing is good enough that I find it worth it. And that's Lisa Fain who does homesick Texan who I adore and Deb Perelman smitten kitchen who is the oh, gee of being good at food blogging one thing that really drives me nuts, though, is that I feel like everybody writes in this voice. It's like aspirational lifestyle guru, and it's not really their own voice, their they're imitating what they think they should sound like if they were to be very successful bloggers like me when I try to write Instagram captions, Instagram captions are really the worst offenders where they're like sometimes it's a picture of them getting out of the pool, and you can see there, but and they're like symptoms when I think about inspiration. I look to the stars. And the. And it's like, oh my God. I just humble bragged about your ass. It's like you are so tedious. You are so tedious. I think that people I think that the foot writing too much it gives me. Hi. You just don't make it makes me want to light my cellphone fire. But I I feel like food blogging on one hand. Yes. I think hating that people are explaining the story of the recipe does have like kind of shades of misogyny to it on the other hand people need to stop thinking that everything they do is the most fucking interesting thing in the world. Sometimes the most interesting thing in the world is just the recipe. Sure. I totally agree. I think that the quality should always be top quality. But I also think I'm like, you know, what just if you want to scroll down scroll down because there's a lot of places on the internet where you can just get a recipe. I'm like, I just these people have a hobby. I just think you're main real ablest against people who can't scroll to call it an aspirin. Like if you want to be an asshole, just scroll. Go straight to the resin. A little button. That's like skip the escrow actually should be. That's just convenient. I think we formed a think tank this episode. We have a food blog. Now. I think we did we have a food blog. We have an orphanage for mentor here. 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The Tvora Executions

Noble Blood

26:36 min | 10 months ago

The Tvora Executions

"I'm Aaron. Monkey in my new podcast American shadows will explore the darker side of America's history filled with unlikely heroes, world changing tragedies and legends that are unique to the American spirits, and while we might be traveling along some dark and lonely roads, you're bound to learn a thing or two long way brought to you by heart radio and grim and mild and narrated by the Amazing Lauren Vogel Baum get ready or American shadows. Listen to American shadows on Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to noble blood a production of I, Heart Radio and grim and mild from Erin minke listener discretion is advised. It was September. Third Seventeen fifty eight just as it was crossing over into the early morning hours of September fourth. The King of Portugal was riding in a carriage down a dark back road returning from the outskirts of Lisbon, back towards the tents of Judah were court had been set up. Kings. Often anglicized to Joseph the I was a man fond of heavy powdered wigs that reached down to his back and wearing brocade clothing that allowed him to stand out in a crowd. But this night he was traveling incognito. His carriage was unmarked and none of his men were palace livery and they were taking a particularly dark and sparsely traveled wrote. Because on this night, the king was returning from a rendezvous with his mistress. His very married mistress. Teresa? Suddenly. His carriage to stop. A Horse winning, but then there was silence. Just as the king was readying himself to ask the driver, what was going on a shot rang out through the night. Then, another shot. And the King pulled the curtains of the carriage open to reveal to highwaymen before a third shot pierced the silence and the king screamed. The bullet had hit him in his side in his arm and another shot had wounded the driver. Without, taking anything the Highwayman road off. King just they survived the bullet wound, but that night would have deadly consequences nonetheless. We don't know if those highway men were an assassination attempt or whether they were just two petty thieves who happened to come across the wrong carriage. But King shows as prime minister with us that evening to White Out Portuguese nobility in an elaborate conspiracy that would cause the nation to fall into a decades long reign of terror and paranoia. Ralph Waldo, Emerson Apocryphal Lia said when you strike at the king, you must kill him. But I. Think more people are familiar with a quote from the character Omar little from televisions the wire who said simply when you come at the king, you best not miss. I'm Dana Schwartz and this is noble blood. The story of the covers families downfall actually begins with an earthquake. One of the most significant earthquakes ever to hit Portugal. The seventeen fifty, five Lisbon earthquake hit on a Saturday morning. The Sky. Ben had been obscenely blue. The type of clear blue that only comes in early fall when the sunlight late knows exactly how hit the ocean and reflect onto the city. It was all Saints Day November first and though it had been unseasonably warm, there were still candles lit all around the city in churches and homes. At nine, thirty, five in the morning. There was a low rumble. And then the city was torn in half. It had just been a gentle shaking for about a minute, but then the shaking became violent. For five full minutes, the earth shook with an earthquake that seismologists estimate had a magnitude of eight point four. Efficient or fifteen feet wide emerged in the city centre. The aftermath was chaos. Every major church in Lisbon had collapsed killing the worshipers inside. In small buildings constructed close together, the Portuguese population panicked. Those who weren't immediately trapped under the collapsing rubble of their homes rushed out into the street. Many people ran to the flat expanse of the shoreline where at least there was no rubble falling from the sky. A few hundred people crowded onto a dock to watch the city finish shaking. The disaster wasn't over yet. The see pulled back revealing the skeletons of shipwrecks that had been lost in the bay. and. Then the soon nami became visible curling over the horizon. From up the river, came a wave that reached a height of eighteen feet, turning over boats and caring away with that everything and everyone in its path. The Crowded with people sank and disappeared silence. The fires destroyed. What was left of the city. Candles and cooking fires knocked over by shaking quickly engulfed flammable wooden houses, and then the flames leapt from house to house leveling entire neighborhoods. Between the earthquake and subsequent tsunami and fires more than twelve thousand people died in Lisbon alone over ten percent of the population. And that's a conservative estimate. Some right that the number might have been as high as thirty thousand souls. Lisbon became a shell of a city broken buildings and people gutted by flood and fire. In. The Royal Palace in the suburbs of Lisbon, the Royal Family Huddled together in fear. The King Josie huddled with his wife Mariana Victoria and held his three daughters close. All of their cheeks were wet with tears. When it lasts the shaking stopped and it became clear that they all had survived. The king pulled himself up unshaking legs and looked to one of his ministers Subas Josiah. Carvalho e Melo. Later Would become the marquee pom ball. But that's the title most history texts refer to him by. So for clarity, that's what we'll call him this whole time. The, King was still ashen faced when he found his minister impossibly poised impossibly standing. What do we do the King asked through Pale? Lips. Your Majesty Palm Ball replied. Let us bury the dead and help the living. From that moment, humble became the central authoritarian power in Portugal. He handled the aftermath of the earthquake with decisive and comprehensive action rebuilding the city and disbanding the groups of looters who were stealing possessions from the dead in the streets. On the scientific level Kumble's leadership was invaluable. He distributed questionnaires to the citizens of Portugal about the duration and damaged of the quake that they experienced and those records are still available one of the first seismology reports of its kind in history. Kings. Rosa was not a leader who liked to lead. He was the type of leader who preferred to lounge with his family or his mistresses in Nice well appointed rooms while other people took care of the boring matters of running a nation. Fortunately for him ball was more than willing to step in. Born to a lowly country gentlemen pombal worked his way up to the upper echelons of Portuguese. Society. But he never dropped his intrinsic resentment of the noble families, the people who were born into power and looked down on him for his low birth. How could he not resent them? It was obvious. The nobles hit at him. When he married the niece of a prominent official, her family could barely contain their disappointment at her social fault. But it wasn't just the nobles, the Jesuits in Portugal to were a threat to him and his political ambitions. Prominent Jesuit priests like Father Gabriel Margarita we're going around town after the earthquake implying that it was the consequence of God's disfavor with the direction of the country. Melegrito didn't outwardly say it was God. Punishing the kings and by extension palm balls leadership but he didn't have to it was implied. And the jesuits continued to be a thorn. In Palm Ball side, he suspected them for blocking an earlier marriage match he wanted and they blocked his motion to grant privileges to Jews in Portugal if they helped with the rebuilding efforts. And that's to say nothing of what they were doing down in Brazil making expansion more difficult by organizing and converting natives. The earthquake was the moment pombal cemented his control over King Josiah. But he wouldn't have complete domination over Portugal until a few years later when he saw an opportunity and knew exactly how to exploit it. After the earthquake in Lisbon kings as suffered from paranoia and Claustrophobia. He refused to remain inside his palace. And so court was moved to attend city on the outskirts of Lisbon where kings zeh wouldn't have nightmares rocks collapsing in on him while he slept. It was on his way back to his royal tent after a visit with his mistress that Kings Plaza ran into the two would be assassins that held up his carriage. Kings Plaza was shot in the arm and shoulder and his driver was badly wounded but both survived and made it back to court bloodied and terrified. How this assassination attempt happened. The carriage was unmarked from the outside with no indications that it contained king. He had been driving on a dark back road and more importantly nobody knew where he was. Well almost nobody knew where he was. The king's mistress had known where he was didn't she? They had planned their rendezvous advance and the Mistress Teresa was married to a man named. Louis. Brando air to the toddler family. Who else could have organized the assassination attempt but the powerful Tarver family, the elite group of Nobles who hated Pom Ball and knew that the only way to get rid of him was to get rid of the king who loved and trusted him. Before word of the would be assassination had even been made public ball sprang into action. He opened an investigation and swiftly arrested two men who allegedly had been the one to a tried to kill the king. The two men were hanged for anyone could ask any more questions. But who had hired them. By December humble put together a special court to investigate whether the assassination had been under the orders of the Tarver family. Officers arrested the entire toddler family, the MARQUEES, his wife, Lenore, their sons, and several grandchildren. And they also arrested the Jesuit Gabriel Melegrito who was a close friend of the family and Leonor personal confessor. Pinball additionally came for the Duke of IRA. Kings, they only had daughters and for a while people believed that the Duke of a viral was going to be the next in line to take the throne until the king he decreed that his daughter Maria would be next in line. The tavel plot was surely an attempt to make the Duke King. Palm Bowels Court was granted special dispensation teams torture to find out. and Lo and behold under torture the Duke and to Tara Servants confessed to the entire plot. The servants would later retract their statements produced too late. The entire tavern family was guilty and combat would make sure that everyone in Portugal nuit. For organizing and attempt to kill the king, the court sentenced seven nobles to death. The marquee and his wife, their sons and two son in laws and the Duke of a viral, there would be usurper. Three servants were also sentenced and all ten were killed on a single massive stage erected in Lisbon. The scaffold was eighteen feet high so that everyone would be sure to get a good view. The king himself was in the audience that afternoon. And all other Portuguese nobles were required to attend so that the fate of the towers would be a lesson to them. First to die was the mark s Lenora. She was led up the scaffold by a rope around her neck with our hands tied behind her back. Because, she was a woman, she was permitted a quick death sitting in a chair, an executioner slicing off her head. Her twenty one year, old son came next. He was tied to a cross for his arms and legs were broken with. Iron Clubs. He was finally strangled to death before his corpse was flattened upon a wheel. The same fate befell his brother and his brother in laws and three servants until all of their bodies were broken and bloodied on their own individual wheels on the scaffold. The to Vora, Patriarch was bound on a Saint Andrew's Cross and beaten with an iron rod before he was stabbed through the chest. The Duke of Aveiro is similarly tortured beaten until his arms, thighs and calves were all broken. And then beaten on the chest until he was dead. Each one of the ten tavarez conspirators was forced to watch all of the deaths of those who preceded him. When it was finally over and the blood dripped beneath the scaffolding. All of the bodies were burned at the stake and the entire scaffolding ben was set on fire. The flames of all of it and the greasy black smoke coughed into the sky for hours. Until Was Left. The ash they swept into the river. But public execution wasn't enough punishment for the TABAREZ. Humble band their family crest, and had their palaces razed to the ground stone by stone. Salt was sprinkled on the earth so that nothing could grow their ever again. Plaques. Were erected in stone for reading anything to be built upon the cursed ground that had belonged to traders. PINBALL had wanted to go further had wanted to execute more of the Tavira women and children as well. But kings as wife and daughter intervened, and so instead, the Taverna women and children were all just banished and imprisoned to various convents. Among the imprisoned was the king's former Mistress Teresa. She lived out the rest of her life in a convent. The king protected her enough so that she was granted a pension and was permitted to receive visitors in her cell. They say that for the rest of her life whenever the king's barge went by and the nuns and servants would rush to the windows to catch a glimpse of him. Theresa would break down weeping. PUFFBALL also implicated the jesuits in the Tabar plot. He couldn't outright accuse them of treason, but he had nine prominent Jesuit in prison at the infamous career fort including Father Malagueta. The jesuits were among fifty prominent members of Portuguese society that Pom Ball had imprisoned under increasingly thin pretenses through the jurisdiction of the tribunal of high treason. The tribunal did not disband after the mass execution of the TAVERNA's it continued on locking up no-balls for perceived slights and possible disloyalties. For the wrong whisper of a piece of gossip at a cafe overheard in Lisbon. All we know from what it was like to be imprisoned in the fort of the isolation and the misery is from a marquee who wrote an account of his imprisonment using inky made by scraping paint off the woodwork on his jail cell and dissolving it in vinegar that came with his meals. In Isolation Gabriela, melegrito devotion turned to fanaticism turned to madness. He raved speaking to himself and claiming saints and got. himself. We're. Talking to him. As a member of the clergy, he was above secular law enforcement, and so a special inquisition presided over his arrest and trial. Conveniently enough the grand inquisitor happened to be pummels brother. The charges were lengthy and elaborate Malagueta was accused of sacrilegious utterances, hypocrisy imposture, and more. When Malaysia Rita was forced to answer for his crimes during being position the old man then seventy three years old was so disoriented and mad that he couldn't respond to the questions. One of the judges, a Dominican priest widely remarked, these proceedings weren't right. That they shouldn't be doing this to a man who clearly wasn't in his right mind. It was strongly suggested that Dominican priest relocate to overseas bishop position. Before, Malagueta was executed. The reading of his charges took two hours. At the request of the inquisition, no blood be shed. He was strangled to death men burnt at the stake. His ashes were scattered to the wind. Humble would complete his final revenge against the jesuits when he expelled them all from Portugal on September third the anniversary of the ill-fated assassination attempt that ignited at all. For nineteen years, Pombo would rule Portugal as an enlightenment despot in authoritarian ruler who imprisoned all who challenged him while fancying himself a modern and benevolent ruler for a new era. But his power would only last as long as the king did. Things Zeh finally died in seventeen, seventy, one, his daughter Maria the I took. Power. Queen. Maria had no problem with the jesuits and likes the nobles she reopened the tougher case and vindicated everyone involved. Those who still survived in present or convents were released. As for Pompeo, she took no real punitive action against him for what really in effect had been enacted treason. Maybe, she thought he had been acting on her father's orders or maybe she just took pity on a man who by then himself was in his seventies. Humble was stripped of his position and banished from Lisbon. In fact, Maria insisted that her father's former prime minister remain more than twenty miles away from her at times in what some might consider to be history's first restraining order. Now nearly three hundred years. Later it's impossible to know the truth of the case whether there had been an elaborate conspiracy on the part of the TAVERNA's to kill the king or weather the king riding in an unmarked carriage on a dark road just happened to be set upon by highwaymen. There's a lot of evidence for that. Obviously, there's no real proof that the Taveres were guilty. None of them fled town after the king's survived the gunshots which you know they might have wanted to do if they had organized it. And the only proof that led to their execution were confessions under torture. But I will say this. If the TAVERES had tried to take down ball via the king. Can you really blame them? But you know what they say. When you come at the king you best not miss. If, you find yourself with more free time on your hands than he used to. Now is a perfect time to learn. You can become more informed creative, inspired relax person all with the great courses plus I love the streaming service. 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In this place were put to the ground and salted the houses of Giuseppe Mosca arrhenius stripped of the honour of Duke of Iro and others convicted by sentence proclaimed in the High Court on the twelfth of January seventeen, fifty nine. Put to justice as one of the leaders of the most barbarous upheavals that on the night of the third of September seventeen, fifty eight was committed against the most royal and sacred person of the King Joseph The I. In this infamous land nothing may be built for all time. The plaque wasn't exactly heated. Google Earth is an amazing thing. If you look up the alley of the salted Earth Beco- dish also gotta you'll find that something has been built their. Home balls revenge wasn't entirely carried out. Now, at that corner of an alley stands. Who would have guessed a starbucks? Noble blood is a production of iheartradio and grim mild from Aaron Minke. The show is written and hosted by Dana Schwartz and produced by Aaron Minke Matt Frederick, Alex Williams, and Trevor Young. Noble blood is on social media at Noble Blood Tales, and you can learn more about the show over at noble blood. Tales. Dot Com for more podcast from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. I'm Aaron Monkey in my new podcast. American shadows will explore the darker side of America's history filled with unlikely heroes, world changing tragedies and legends that are unique to the American. Spirit, and while we might be traveling along some dark and lonely roads, you're bound to learn a thing or two long way brought to you by Iheartradio and grim and mild and narrated by the amazing Lauren Vocal Baum get ready for American shadows. Listen to American shadows on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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 All By Myself

Hysteria

1:17:54 hr | 2 years ago

All By Myself

"Hysteria is brought to you by Spotify. If you guys don't know jemele hill, you really should. She's a sports expert. She's a political junkie. She's a social media B S detector. And did I mention she's funny as hell now Jamila has a brand new Spotify original podcast called jemele hill is unbothered. Such a great name every Monday and Thursday, you can catch her and her two co hosts Michel Arsenault and Cole Wiley with her inciteful and entertaining. Hot takes on the day's top stories in news, sports, politics, music, and other important issues. Like, why the best parties are the ones you sneak into the podcast guest list will also include some of the biggest names in culture, and entertainment. Listen now to jemele hill is unbothered for free only on Spotify. Hello and welcome to hysteria. I'm Erin Ryan this week Michaela Watkins and deal. Dana schwartz. Join me in studio to tackle being alone. Whether that's alone with your thoughts alone in another country alone in your apartment, and how those moments can be good for you or bad Elissa master Monico also joins to discuss boring liars versus interesting liars versus dangerous liars. And we finally get to that thing about Joe Biden, not being able to apologize. And as always our hills. Before we get started today a little bit of housekeeping, if you would like to submit a hill that you'll die on record thirty second voice memo on your phone and send it to hysteria at crooked dot com. Seconds item March is in the works, and I'm biased, but it's really great. I've been having meetings at the crooked offices about the merch over the last couple of weeks, and it's actually stuff I would wear which is high praise because I'm very picky about what I wear third thing. I'm trying a new thing where I give a shout out to a special group of listeners this week want to give a shout out to all the listeners who are listening with their kids. You guys are much cooler parents than most. But I do not take responsibility for any swearing your children may or may not learn. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. How are you? Oh, how are you? I don't know. Are you watching this Bill bars stuff? Yeah. I mean, obviously some big fucking nerd I've been like counting down since this morning and like made sure to shower early. So I didn't miss anything. When I blew my hair dry been so boring. Yeah. I, you know, I'm not watching of because I'm recording right now. But I was seeing things online that were like, yeah, he's he's lying again. Yeah. He's just he's just lying. He end. But like, he's like a pretty crafty liar note. I mean, he's not as like dimwitted is Trump is right. So you actually have to stop and listen for a hot minute and be like that's a lie. Right. He's a boring liar. The best kind of liars are boring liars. Donald Trump is an exciting liar. Like, so when he tells lies there's hand gestures and loud voices and strange facial expressions. But when Bill Barr, I keep wanting to call him billiom. I don't know why not. A human name. But he seems like he should be named billiom to me. So in billion bar lies. It's very boring and banal, and it is a sort of lie that can live forever or give somebody a long career in politics because people just kind of tune out in stop listening. Agreed. Well, I guess since we're talking about lying. I remember weeks or months ago us talking about the abortion thing, and we've sort of oscillated back and forth about how big an issue. It's going to be going into twenty twenty because in two thousand eighteen it seemed like Republicans tried to make it a thing. And what really ended up mattering to voters was healthcare and a new energy and representation that looked a little bit more like the democratic electorate, but they're trying it again going into twenty twenty it seems like the new lie is that women are giving birth to babies and women and their doctors are getting together and deciding to kill the baby after it's born. This is a lie that was told at a rally on Saturday night in Greece. In bay, Wisconsin. Where President Trump said this is a verbatim quote from the president not Ralph Wiggham of the Simpsons the bay. Although, you know, if you read it in a Ralph Boyce, it's a little bit less infuriating but lacks a sort of ignorance signal similar to cartoon idiot. He says the baby is born the mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby they wrapped the baby beautifully. And then the doctor and the mother determined whether or not to execute the baby and Elissa you were watching this. How did it feel to watch this library told live? So everyone who listens to hysteria. Think I do nothing but watch the news all day. But I was just very interested. Because the the the rally happened after the shooting at the synagogue in San Diego, and I was just curious how he was going to address it in. So I started watching the rally and he gets to this part. I mean, it was all just very like frenzied and angry and rabbit. I think just like rabid is the best word, and then he gets to this part where he starts talking about abortion. And like he pretends like he's holding the baby. And the scariest part is that you know, he loves to talk about his crowd size. There were like ten to thirteen thousand people in that arena that when fucking banana bat shit when he said it they were like, yeah. Yeah. That's what happens. Yeah. Like fuck those women, and I just I found it terrifying. I found a terrifying because it's not. Something that people they were just agreeing with they were like so fucking into this idea that like the the the that women have babies, and then decide with their doctors whether to kill them. And it's like there's such a different. There are Democrats in their Republicans. And then there are these fucking crazy Trump people who clearly think nothing of the rest of humanity. But doesn't just that was my takeaway that they want to believe these terrible things. You know, what I mean like, you know, when you watch the Oscars and a comedian makes a terrible joke and people are like, ooh, ooh. That was terrible. Like, I expected some sort of like reaction to his how extreme what he said was and the reaction was the opposite of what I had kind of hoped for. I mean, Donald Trump does kind of seem like a stand up comedian who doesn't have any jokes. He just goes Zach doesn't say shit and people cheer about it. And but there's a political reason that this is alive that he's. Now, bringing into his fucked up idiot stand up routine, which is that there are bills around the country. And specifically in Wisconsin, where there's a GOP bills that purport to save babies that were quote unquote, born alive after abortions, which is not a thing that happens first of all most abortions at take place late in a pregnancy are due to really horrible medical conditions that affect the mother of the baby or both and second of all no, doctor would follow the Hippocratic oath and kill an alive human being who was born that just it. It's not a thing that would happen. So in the state of Wisconsin where the rally took place, Trump, criticized the democratic governor hell, yes, we have a democratic governor. Now, Tony vers saying that he shouldn't have vetoed. A GOP Bill that would have sent doctors to prison for life. If they failed to give medical care to children born alive. So the Bill events is the false narrative that there's a lot of babies that are being born as a result. A failed abortions not true and protections are also already in place that would mandate the doctors provide care to living human beings, which is something that that already exists. But this seems to be something that is red meat for the GOP base going into twenty twenty and people actually believe it one thing I was thinking as we're texting about this. And I was saying to you that I'm really tired of playing in the realm of non reality. And I'm one I'm wondering if this tactic is just designed to get us to get into an argument with this invisible thing that doesn't exist in distract us from talking about real issues. Do you think that's the case? I think that I think it's meant to distract us. I also think that he. I think that he going into twenty sixteen right into the election. What was his one mantra? It's like we want the wall Mexico's paying for the wall is a lockup Hillary Clinton. We're going to log her tail and it's literally the only thing that he talked about four months and so going into twenty twenty I think he needs something where he creates this enemy, right? When he did that it was the Mexicans the people at the south border like immigrants, and now, it's just all all women all women. Right. Because I'm sorry that there is a lot of us. Does he know that think he just thinks he doesn't need all of us? Like he's like he doesn't. He doesn't care. He doesn't care because he just needs something that gets those people in the arena as frothing at the mouth as they. Possibly can. And so I personally think over the next couple of months he's gonna try a couple of these out. You know, he's been sprinkling the abortion rage. You know in and around see how it works for him. Right. And so he's going to have a couple of other things between now and then to see which one really, you know creates. Hatred and aggression, and you know, towards women or other people who might not vote for him and then figure out which one he's going to take a spin. But I feel like this one has some some staying power, and it's so absurd. Like, here's the thing. You wanna talk about situations when a women a woman is giving birth and a person dies in a lot of cases. It is the woman dying America has a shameful maternal mortality rate, especially among women of color, especially among black women, and if Republicans really cared about women or babies than they would be focusing on improving the quality of medical care available to low income women and available to black women, and they clearly don't care. This is such a bad faith argument. And I hate that. I have to take the side of like no that doesn't happen because it's impossible to prove a negative. You know, you can have Donald Trump out there yelling about how? How you know where women are giving birth to babies, and we're putting them in boxes and mailing them to our friends. And it's a new trip. You know, it's like, and it's a new game that we're playing the baby mailing game. And it's like, no, why do I have to argue about this? This isn't this never existed. You know, this is never a thing that happened. And I don't know why. I'm so tired of playing in the realm of the non reality. I want something real. Now, I mean, girl, especially because this is just so just so crazy. And like I felt like we're making progress over the years since we were in high school. Let's say I feel like we've been making progress like this wasn't a huge issue anymore. And you know, the thing that is concerning. And even though this is like a fake non issue is becoming a real issue is because like five years ago that insane antiabortion movie never would have been made and wouldn't have had a real audience. Right. And now it's getting a screening in the White House and playing at real theaters like it's playing down the street from my house. Never would I ever have thought that a movie like that would be in you know, the theater in red hook New York. Yeah. But here's a little silver lining Elissa when I was in middle school. I was in a church group with one of my friends. It wasn't my Catholic church group. It was because my Catholic church didn't have a youth group. I was in a friend's youth group and the friends youth group was very. Evangelical Christian, and we spent a lot of time in youth group talking about abortion, and how it was bad and little twelve year old Erin had a vote pro-life button that she put on her backpack. And she you know, I was a kid. I believed the things that I was being told we watched a movie called the silent scream, and I believe that that was the worst thing in the world. And I remember being so upset about baby's getting killed. And then I grew up and became capable of thinking in reading and now here, I am Queen abortion yelling about abortion at parties, and alienating oh my possible friends, but I'm just saying like, you know, we we are seeing an up swell in antiabortion messaging right now, I think because it's sexy. It makes people want to open their it's not sexy. But it makes me want to open their wallets and donate to the GOP. But I think that if we're seeing this movie coming out a lot of those kids that are at the movie right now are going to grow up to know that what they saw was deliberately misleading and actually harmful to women. So that's. My hopeful take on all of this. All right. That's a good. That's a silver lining. Yeah. It's funny. I wanted to put my button, my parents had this like bulletin board of buttons from different political campaigns, and my parents are staunch democrat. So we had Jesse Jackson eighty eight and we had a Geraldine Ferraro related stuff and Bill Clinton gore ninety two and all that stuff. And I wanted to put my vote pro-life button up there, and my mom was like, why don't you keep that in your room? It was. I mean, they never told me that I was wrong. I think they'd just waited for me to like complete the story and realize going. Oh, thanks, mom and dad once again, your wisdom was something. I didn't realize until years later really quick before we have to go. Yeah. Feel like we have to talk about Joe Biden. Now, let's do it. Let's do it. I mean, we've been putting it off a little bit just because up until this past week. It was speculation whether or not he was actually going to run, and it seemed whenever I read something about Joe Biden, it was just bored political columnists who wanted to give themselves something to do because they were tired of writing about Bernie Sanders. But I wanna talk about Joe Biden and Anita hill specifically and just for background. If you're not all familiar Joe Biden announced his presidential run last Thursday. And what immediately came up was the way that he treated Anita hill during Clarence Thomas in nineteen Ninety-one supreme court confirmation hearings. If you wanna make yourself. Angry today. Go ahead and go to YouTube and watched some clips of that it's horrifying to watch. And Anita hill was just the picture of calm, and she didn't even wanna really testify. It was just this media circus, and Joe Biden was a dick, and he was he was a real real dick, and he has kind of stumbled around apologizing for it in nineteen Ninety-two. He said that he couldn't really do anything in two thousand seventeen he got questioned about it again. And he said he was so sorry if she believes that she was mistreated, and so sorry that she had to go through what she went through again, not really taking responsibility again in two thousand seventeen Biden said as much as I tried to intervene. I did not have the power to gavel them out of order and earlier this year, he got asked about it. Again, she faced a committee that didn't fully understand what the hell. This was all about to this day. I regret I couldn't give her the kind of hearing. She deserved. I wish I could have done something. And then in April. Real on the first day of his campaign. He said that he had called Anita hill and said that he regretted for what she endured, and then he was on the view. And then he said, I'm sorry for the way, she got treated and then on the twenty ninth. He said I believed her from the very beginning. But I was chairman she did not get a fair hearing. Did you not she did not get treated? Well, that's my responsibility as the committee chairman, I take responsibility that she did not get treated while. I take responsibility for that. Eliza. What do you make of all this? Okay. First of all, I just want to be clear that if I ever gave that response in to a question about apologizing. My mom would smack me. She would have smacked me. She would have been like that is. So you just go to your room until you can say it with feeling, you know, that's the like, and, you know, I, of course, just going to say now, I I watched the whole view, interview and joy Behar. They were like fraying they were they were so hoping he would just get there and say I'm so sorry for how I treated. Anita hill. And you know, he just won't say it in. If you look at things that the campaign has said, you know, they're like, we're not answering any more beyond what we've said, which is that he feels badly and apologizes for how she was treated will. I think that in today's day and age if we've looked at anything or learn anything of what's happened in the past few years is that like take responsibility, you know, even if it was thirty years ago just be like, you know, what even if he didn't know better. Even if it's how everybody treated everybody back then you want to be president today. So today, you should say I'm sorry. And clearly Anita hill had been waiting for this. It was no secret that she had been looking for an apology for like twenty years. The fact I'm sure you read this that there was a joke in her family that when the phone would ring or the doorbell would ring they'd be like, oh is that Joe Biden. And and you know, the fact that it was known. It's just it's such an easy. Thing to make right now. I mean, look it'll never be made. Right. Like, she endured a national tragedy. But like it would just be so easy. And so it made me sad and disappointed that he didn't just do the right thing. Right. And if he would have done the right thing earlier than this wouldn't have been dragged out for as long as it has been, and here's another here's another thought that I have when it comes to that. And Anita hill said she told the New York Times that the phone call that we referenced that he referenced earlier this month on the first day of his presidential campaign. So the phone call wasn't really enough. She really wants a cone ability, which isn't a fair thing to bring up another thing. I was thinking about is. You know, Anita hill was and continues to be a successful black woman in a world that sort of doesn't really take black women as seriously as it should. And black women are also the most reliable part of the democratic base and to. To have a person running for president who doesn't understand what that visually meant to a huge portion of the democratic base. What the Anita hill hearings meant is. I just I don't know if he's I I mean, this is something we usually say for younger candidates, but I don't know of Joe is ready for primetime in two thousand nineteen. I mean, it's a it's a concern it now and the other thing too is that you see that. He's surging in the polls granted it's a year before Iowa. But it's still like, you know, you don't want people to learn the wrong lessons. Yeah. Exactly anything twenty eighteen was an additional lesson for people who want to think about democratic politics, which is that when women run women win first of all, and that our elected officials are starting to look more like the people who vote for Democrats, and we need to take those people into consideration when we make party wide decisions. And when we vote for presidential candidate. All right. 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So I like that idea like being at a party and. You know in and like you're putting on a happy face, but deep down there something there's something there. One of my favorite things happen without songs. Once I was listening to it as I was looking at a gif of an author washing something on its stomach, and it really changed. The meaning of the song. I was like, yeah. Yeah. I like this. Maybe how the song the artistic intentions should have been to sing about an author washing something on it stomach. Right, right. You just have to kind of change your perspective. And it changes the Khomeini the song next up. I have comedian and filmmaker Karen deal. Karen? What's your favorite alone? Song? I'd like to listen to said version like a melancholy version of girls just wanna have fun like minor. Wait does exist in my mind. You need a record that. Thank you so much can't sing. It'll be very very sad version wrap it you could do a minor Gokhan words. Minor key spoken liner t spoke. Oh my God. That's actually genius. I'd love it. All right. Great ideas. Already a third we have comedian and actor Michaela Watkins Michaela. Hello. I've already started piping in both. Even. Away hype away. What's your favorite alone song? I there are so many. But the one that jumped out to me is the people who died by Jim Carroll band. I don't know. Do you know that song? It's like these are the people who dived, they're all my friends. Minor key spoken words kinda is. But he just like lists every friend and how they died play. It a lot. You know? These are the people who died died there, all my friend. They died. The chorus everybody single. It's really a fun. Punk rock song though that does sound fun. I was listening to all died in punk rock ways. I mean, of course, didn't include the friends at died in like boring heroin. Yeah. Motorcycle crashes just of heart failure. My favorite alone song is alone by heart. The Wilson sisters really and saying also I love that a lot of heart songs have a sort of. They have a persona around them. Like the singers are always like lonely and a little threatening at the same time. It's it's a fun vibe. I wanted to start our episode on solitude or being alone with an anecdote. I am I think of myself as being a person who's really good at being alone. Because I have lived most of my adult life with the goal of living by myself. And I cheated a few years back in it's been wonderful. I currently live alone. I like traveling by myself, I've done it a few times, but I don't really like truly being alone. And I learned that this mountains day my boyfriend got us both. Half hour sessions. I think it was our long sessions in a sensory deprivation tank nothing. Nothing says partnership like all sessions. This really gets you. Well, he was like maybe you should to his credit. There have been things that I have dismissed outright initially that I've later tried and come to enjoy. So this he thought Kombucha, it's very cool trendy thing. It's like, it's not just chocolates and flowers. I got you a sensory deprivation tank, right? You're creative. Maybe it'll unlock some cure. Friends. I did not like it. You just go into a room there's water, and it saltwater, and you you're in a bathing suit or you can go naked whatever, but I wore bathing suit because I'm mid western. Why would I be naked and sit in there, and you float and you're supposed to close your eyes, and it doesn't matter because it super dark and their sounds, and you just kind of like bop along the top of it. And I lasted twenty minutes. How high is the water destroy conjecture the view, it's not that deep, but it great. It's enough to support your body. It's only enough that you flow without any effort. So you're just sort of suspended your own dead seeing basically. Yeah. But it's completely dark, and you can have it silent or you can have noises, and I couldn't I couldn't do it. I wanted to. I did I did with singing bowls at first beautiful. See you should try. I really like already there. Has transported her sale. I got out. And I was like I can't do this. And I figured I would just kind of sit on the bench and the changing room for the last twenty five minutes or whatever. And then I went back in and tried it again, and I turn the lights on and it was fine with the lights. But I couldn't do the total aloneness thing. I couldn't do it. It was just misery. Was it that your mind was racy or that you felt genuinely lonely? It was just like I should be doing other stuff right now. Yeah. I should be. I you know, what there's this piece in the stillness. That's not for you. Maybe I don't know. But it was it was total solitude total stillness. And it made me think about what it means to be alone. What does it mean to to not have anything with you? Does mean that you don't have the TV on? Does it does? It mean that you don't have anybody in the room with you. I mean, you just not around anybody that, you know, wanna talk to. So I wanted to open with curent carrot to you. What does solitude or aloneness me? Mean? And is it something that you found valuable to you? Yes. Solitude and loneliness or different aloneness. Now loan is not alone. This is more neutral. Loneliness is bad aloneness is just the the lameness loan. Yes. I mean, so I think it can I think that you can be alone in a group of people. You can be alone. When you're by yourself at your house like. Like like being alone. I actually think is kind of. I mean, obviously, it's a physical state, but can also be a state of mind because you can like I've been you know, like, you can be sitting with your family and feel very alone. So you are not connecting with any of us right now. Yeah. Just I feel very alone as I say this in this room as everyone stares. No, I'm just joking like, but it's a matter of of I do think everyone needs like social interaction and social connection like we all need that in some way, shape or form about like, why is it that like somebody goes on a ten day silent meditation retreat or somebody goes to like a temple a Buddhist temple. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, that's like that's a retreat. That's that's solitude. And then in a different context. It's like, oh, I'm alone. I think I think part of how you spend your time when you're by yourself is can you connect to yourself. Do you have a good relationship with yourself? Do you have fun with yourself like Melissa via senior is a. SNL stand up comedian whose hilarious she's always talking about how she loves being by herself. She does voices when she's alone. She is like seven people. She's like, I like my company I like sewing, I like, you know, what I mean like she just really enjoys being by herself because she enjoys her own company. I mean, I think that's a that's a really interesting point to bring up is is that there's a female nece, and there's like mail, alone and female alone, mail alone is like Henry, David throw going onto the woods. And he is a seminal figure in American literature and female alone leads to expense tres, and there's like a different there's a different interpretation of being alone as a woman versus being alone as a man and Makeba. I just was wondering what you think of when you see a woman or you hear of a woman who has spent her life by herself. I. A couple of things when I was a waitress like, it was the men the older man who came in and ate dinner by themselves. That would make me silently weep, you know, I would just like cry. I would be so sad. But for some reason the women who came in the older women who came in and had a meal. I was like what you another drink, sweetie. Like, I just felt like they were like, oh, I'm Pam. I sat like I feel like their husbands dropped dead. And they're like, I go dancing. I do things that Karl never like. And and so I have good feelings about me, and my mom when my parents, divorced. My mom was in her forties. And I don't even think she's dated after that. I think she was. So like Dunn's those that in not a great way, I'm not suggesting that she doesn't have issues. I've just mean that I've watched her really just you know, she just didn't want somebody farting in her bed anymore. And she was like, I'm so much happier by myself, then with somebody who you know, raining on my parade. So I I have I have like sort of healthy good feelings about seeing older women alone. But I understand that societally it's really sort of balked at and made fun of cat ladies. And I went through a stage in my thirties where I hit the skids of like, the loneliest I've ever been in my whole life, and it was sort of this ongoing three or cycle of finding myself in bad relationships in in and out of them. Because of my utter utter fear of being. Alone and imagining that my life with going to be a lonely existence in my forties and fifties and sixties and so on and so I had to actually I put myself into you know, out I put myself on outward bound for thirty and over. And I were you do a solo where you're by yourself. And it was the hardest. Is that a trick? Yeah. It's a track in my was in Yosemite. And you know, we went in the woods for twenty four hours. You don't, you know, eat or talk to, you know, nobody don't see another soul. And that was the hardest thing in the world for me. But once I got through it. I actually was like re reborn. And and I knew that my rock bottom of alone was actually pretty awesome. I wrote saying danced, you know, I found I found ways to entertain myself. And I was like me alone is not the worst thing in the world. And then from there, I sort of dust. You brought up a couple of things that I want to go back to. But the first thing was about female aloneness versus mill male aloneness, and how you didn't feel bad for older women who are alone. There's a party that thinks that the negative spin on being a woman, who's alone is society trying to keep women from learning how awesome being alone because if we learn if we all knew the secret of how awesome it is to be alone. We would stop taking care of everybody else. And then what would everybody else do? They would have to learn how to iron your own pants. You know, they would they would have to make their own appointments while happens if we don't need. Yeah. What happens if we decide that? It's actually awesome to not be needed to be free of being needed in a way. Dana do you like being alone? You know, it's so interesting because I love being by myself like I travel alone all the time because I'm just a control freak like I wanna do things the way I do them. I love I went for my second book. I I went to France for a month. And I don't speak a word of French. And I went to a small town where like it wasn't like Paris like people didn't really speak English. And I just sort of got along with like mine, and I loved it France is the home of mine. It was great. And I loved it. I loved like walking around and just like not speaking to another human soul for three weeks. But I the the sensory deprivation thing that you brought up I'm horrible at being lick alone. With my thought to know like external stimulation, like I am I need like I'm addicted to Twitter that constant like fuel in my phone. I like background noise. And I I always turn on the radio, and I drive like I'm terrible at silence and solitude in a way that I think is frankly unhealthy and eventually I'm going to need to address. I also I do I like being in a relationship. Like, I I hope it's not an unhealthy impulse. But I do genuinely preferred just like having a a a personal touch base with. So even though I'm like if I'm traveling alone. Like great, I don't need to be with you physically. But I like mentally being like, oh, that's the person I touch base with who if I died would notify my family, right? You need somebody to run your Twitter drafts by exactly absolutely Karen, same question, have you ever travelled loan? Did you like it? Did you find that? It was for you. Yeah. I've traveled alone. I went to Nepal alone. India Thailand lot of places I've been yeah. I've been to a lot of places alone. I'm a traveling alone is fine. You'll always meet people. I think you're kind of forced to meet people simulating like you're constantly doing thing. Yeah. I mean, traveling alone to me is not like, I don't think of that is being alone. You know, because you're stimulated by a totally new environment. You're in. Novel place. It's like when you go some you're like, oh, look the trees. That's what I'm like. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look people dress all Swedish kinda. Yeah. Active senior. Yes, exactly. I literally inactive active senior that was thought it was interesting. What you said about Michaela about old like old women because I know that like I'm not, and I've heard a few people say this. I'm not worried about my mom, but I'm worried about my dad when they retire or when they lose their job or their purpose. Do you know what I mean like or like, what are you going to do with your time? How do you spend your time? Whereas I feel like so many of the like mama go Zimba class or whatever, you know, whatever she's like, we'll fill her time with cooking and has a bunch of hobbies and things that she can do. Yeah. I found myself wondering about like I like I do like being alone. But I can feel lonely if I haven't gotten any human contact I need some human contact during during a day. I can almost like outline the time of the exact pinpoint the exact moment. When I was sort of single and on that, you know tear where I would do fine all day long. I go do a live show be with friends laugh laugh laugh audience, you know, ha so much love so much community so much communal like giving and taking and then it was always the same thing, which was that ride home after show there after the bar, and it was always a thing where it was just like, my my heart redraw through my stomach and out my ass out. The light carburetor. I would leave it on the road on my way home, and it wasn't until I turned the key. And luckily, there was a pulse in my house. I had two cats at the time in my apartment, but luckily, it, you know, once I got into bed and had my books and my things then I was like a pig and shit. But but that moment the car ride home knowing I was coming home to my empty apartment was so awful. Like, I just hate it. I mean, that's really interesting, and it kind of ties in a big important social trend is that more people live alone in the US than ever lived alone. Before in nineteen fifty only nine percent of all households were one person. And that's only four million people. Now, it's nearly thirty percent of households. I think also right that has to do with probably because nineteen fifty view like Mary your high school sweetheart when you're eighteen and it's like, you don't have that young adulthood that. Now. Everyone has right, but we're kind of entering into a new model of living because when in human history have people lived alone in these numbers. And it's something that I think about a lot when we talk about as we no longer have dowries. I know no more goats for us. Let's do the internet. I don't like meals alone. That's the thing. I don't like I don't like eating meals. I don't like eating dinner alone. I prefer I. I think it's because I see dinner as a very social meal. So it's like I preferred to like I'd prefer to that's like like eating and sharing sharing food is a point of connection. So it's like, I know that that's the thing. I don't I don't love eating alone. I mean, I've gone I've gone to eat by myself, and I think of it as eating alone. But really, I'm not eating alone. Because I'm reading something or I'm on my phone always have some sort of distraction in front of me or I'm like texting hand not do a deprivation. You could bring your phone in there. You know? Just floating. I guess but your phone will get what? But I was I went to Nepal by myself a few years ago. It was the first time in my life that I could afford to take a trip like that. And I thought I might as well, and I was like hiking the Himalayas I was in hiking groups, but they weren't people that I knew and when I was on the on Aparna trail, I was just with like a local guide and a local porter. And what happened when I was alone was I'm sure something similar to what happened to you Michaela. Which is that your brain has its greatest hits that it goes through and the ones it's played all the greatest hits. Then it starts like hawking around in the closet of your brain. And being like a dragging out this old thing, you haven't looked at since you were eighteen and how it made you feel bad. And I just went I like did a spring cleaning on my brain. When I was there. And it's it wasn't necessarily pleasant. The entire time. Like polling every individual bad thing out and taking a look at it and being like twenty to throw this away. Or can I use this? It was really emotionally tough. And then also very was really physically. Tough. And I remember feeling like very like I took a Cup to diarrhea, and it might have been the altitude. It might have been. I was so tired might have been that. I was alone and thinking, but I go back and read what I wrote, and it is extremely Email. It is like I don't know if I can wake up at five tomorrow to like pass through thong lie. It was just it was really really emotional up. Dana did you find when you were in France that you got motion or it was because you were working on the book did that make it less? So I was working. Also, I had like internet and podcast. Like, I was not ever like alone in isolation. Like, you are I would sit in cafes and like have fun trying to communicate with the waiter. And then I would be reading and working on my book and trying to learn French like, I was constantly busy. Like, I even though I was alone. I didn't have that like stillness of like, I'm Cheryl straight in wild. And I have to now think about my mother like I didn't. Think about your. She did to me. Number came back. She texted welcome back to the US, Dan. I love you very much who isn't a new phone. Yeah. It was it was not like a trip of introspection. It was a trip of lake work and fun. Like, I haven't had that. Because I'm I think scared I'm so bad at stillness. And even like, it's interesting that Mikhail you brought up like that your depression, or like, the the sadness happened when you were driving home for me that always happens to me in a in a bigger cycle whenever I complete a big work project or something that I've going for. That's when I when I dip whenever I get the thing that I want because then I don't I don't my my brain doesn't know what to do like, I'm always strategizing and planning how to get the next thing. I want and then when I finish it. I'm like well now what that's that's pretty normal. You'll have that like there's a there's a term for that that I don't remember. But it's like when you get the blues kind of after you finish something because of and ever. Yeah, creative or even like, we're even like a work project, whatever winning prize winning like getting whatever the goal is. People do have tips at the end of a thing because you're post-partum. Yeah. If you're alone during the that moment at it kind of complicates things. My first meeting in LA, I sold a show. And after I sold it. I got an a lift to go back to the Airbnb where I was saying, and I felt like I was going to cry. I was just I had this like meeting, and it was so great. And then I get in the car, and I went back to the staying by myself, and I walked to the in-and-out burger on sunset, and I bought two I was vegetarian at the time. I bought two big cheeseburgers. And I walked back to excite into what else to do. I was like I just made a kill. Yeah. Walked back to their BBN. And I sat on the floor of the bedroom in eight both cheeseburgers on the floor of the better because I didn't know what to do. Hollander, everyone at the when you get the thing you want everyone then becomes like you're in a play. Like, it's always the last scene of like some tragedy play where like I got what I want. But at what cost? The celebrately is a celebration of real if you don't have people to share with his best the question because it's like I like I remember when when women rebel got shortlisted for an Oscar, and it was like, I was driving home, my friend was acquitted doing I was like, oh, I'm just going to go home. And he's like, no we're going to go out to dinner like like come on like get a couple of people together. And we and that's what made it special. Like, that's what made the night really special was like the fact that you got to sit around and like share a win with other pedia those in and out burgers were pretty special. They gave me a stomach ache because I had not been eating meat for needing a special special kind of stomach ache. When I woke up in the middle of the night. I was like, well, you did it air you, really? Well, you're saying is so I think correct. And like for me, I'm someone who am very comfortable like being in my blanket the burrito and like being on my laptop with my cat. But the I'm happiest when I forced myself to like be with friends like have those share those moments. Even when I'm when my instinct is to be like, no just be be home with your laptop like when you force yourself to to go out of that comfort zone a little bit. Like those are the memories. Those are how you reinforce capi feeling what you may think of Dana four when using sad. No, it's a happy. Actually, when you said I wanted I like to be in relationships. I like to be with people is that okay to say, can I tell you a quick anet anecdote or, but I was in my in my this shitty time life and coming out of it. I was after post our bound and everything and I was heavy in therapy. I was like going once a week to this. Awesome woman who is. AMD are in the whole business and and work through like a ton of grief and all this nonsense. So she I said to her one day. I'm like, I'm just so fucking tired of working on myself. Like, I'm so tired of, you know, getting over all my sorrows and Greaves to like become what like a person who can be with somebody like I just want to be. I like being in relationships. I'm great in relationships. I thrive in relationships. I'm I should be real like, that's my happy place. I want to be in relationship. Why do I have to become when what am I ready for a relationship? And she goes, you know, whenever you want. And she said there is a version of working on yourself while you're in a relationship and so high said to her. Okay. Well, what do I do? And she said ask, and I said, and then what I said ask coup, and she said, I love this therapist. She goes the universe. And I said, and then what? And she said, wait. And high said and how. I said how long and she said two weeks. I love it. That's dope. Two weeks. I mean because it's great ended. It was it. Right. Was she correct. Aaron that is such a funny question because I think what I realized was if you're going to ask and you're going to have to weeks before this thing happens that you better make a genuine ask like you really better want to be in a relationship. I mean, not everybody wants to be in a frigging relationship. So so if you're gonna if you going to ask you better really want it, and so I waited, and then I was feeling really awesome. And I decided I was going to be a slight because I forgot to do that. I was always in relation. And so I made the ask like I wanna be I wanna be out. I want to be with people two weeks later, I met my husband. No, that's such a good story. Mad about it. Because I was supposed to be a slut not spend the rest of my life. Yeah. She told you, so she's not a therapist. She's a psychic. You saw psych. Magician you go. I did I saw I was like you. Go back to the therapy building, this building's been abandoned. Cheryl porcinis hasn't been here for four. She died along on she died in ninety. Barrington on a ship. We talk also about like, I think being there's something like not morally. But I do think there's a moral righteousness to people who are like, I'm good at being alone. We associate that with like they're being there be feeling like complete people genuinely in my head. I'm like, the platonic ideal of the person I wanna be when I'm old is like a seventy five year old lady who wears only caftans and lives in a Brownstone and has a dog named georgette, and it's just like like this loan and and like eccentric. And that is my platonic ideal of older women. Joe Kice kinda she just decided she'd had enough of New York and was like, you know, what I like New Mexico. How do you? Use your time by yourself to develop your own like independence independence of thought. Yeah. And that brings up a really important point is about who gets to be alone who gets to experience developing themselves who isn't always looked to as a caretaker as somebody who needs to give their lives to others. Like, I think that men for the most part have more of a luxury of being alone. If you read sent around an article called going it alone, which was written by Rihanna. Haley who is an African American woman who hiked the Appalachian trail by herself. And she talks about how the outside the outdoors has been a place that white people expect to see other white people in and lack people, you know, she she had people talking to her about being a non white person hike. The trail like it was it was rare for her. So I think who gets to be alone and actually cure in like you were saying take the time to develop themselves as leaders as individual artists. And I was just wondering what you saw do you think whiteness like gives people more entitlement toward aloneness, and that sort of social mobility, social, mobility and being connected to his I thought about that. When you were like I did out rebounder. I went to Nepal alone. That's also financial you have to be in a position where like you can afford to do that take time off more, you take take time off, and do it you could take time off and just do that like the first time in my life that I did that was when I like was Iowa ska just like a year ago, and like my friend like subsidized it for me. Do you know what I mean? Like like, he he was like, this is something this is an experience, I really want you to have it really want you to go, and he like helped bankroll it. So you could go, and I remember thinking this is an Dave Chapelle has this joke. It's one of my favorite. It's not even a joke. But he just says it in the middle of his. Special. He goes, I did a thing that most black men in this country. Never get a chance to do. I thought about my feelings, and it's just it's just in this in the middle of annals. Like, that's so that says just just the what is the privilege of of being able to take time out for yourself to think about to think about how you feel or why you feel a certain way or why are you angry? You know, it's very like maslow's hierarchy, right? Where the only way that you have time to think about yourself, and your feelings and and work toward self awareness. If every other need below that is met, and if you're in a population of people who typically don't have those needs met. Then of course, you don't have the time to sit by yourself alone with your thoughts and figure out how to be a better creative person. I also want to interesting. There's also something that is interested interesting to me about sort of culturally pervasive. When women are like, I just need to meet time that it sometimes sort of. There's this cultural framing that it's the selfish thing where like ado chilling out. It's like if a guys like is need. Meantime, my wife kept buttering me, blah, blah, man, cave, man, cave. Like, that's like a fun like acceptable thing for dude where I feel like for women whenever there. I just need me time. It's always sort of trivia lies like there's this sense. Like, oh, they're like at a spa day like doing their hair that it's like some shallow thing for a woman. Who's like me time? Yeah. Not not serious like watching the NFL draft. Which is a thing that adult men get debts essential thing. Like, can you believe that? She bothered me during me time. Yeah. That's like a essential. Yeah. Man, going into the woods is like a soul quest. And it's like he needs to do that. That's what his inner animals always begging for. But for a woman like when I did out rebound. Everybody was like why are you doing that? I knew their life. Wait. What there's no like you have to, you know, pick your own tarp. But it's interesting, Karen. Because when I was a kid I friends of mine could afford to go out rebound. And I was always jealous because they would come back like so sparkly. And just felt like they'd seen God. And I always wanted that. And I held it in the back of my head. So it was a real coup when I got to go myself. Right. You know, and you're absolutely right. Like, I got to you know, what I mean? I was so lucky always joke about this you, but I do believe it. It's like remembering that like from when I've been broke. It's like I like, I think I've had a lot of time alone. And then it's like if I was very sad or very depressed eventually getting to like, you can do the work of what you're talking about with outward bound literally anywhere in the world like time and place really are construct s-. Like, you you can't. I mean. That's always praising when I wanna make us shirt of all the things you've declared a constant. I mean, they aren't because the art it's literally like it's literally day ours. Because it's because I think it's like, I am a person. I think about it. And it's like, oh, I'm a person who's been nominated for an EMMY. And then I'm a person who's been unemployment. That's the same person. That's the same person. You were the same may be the the values in the things around you change. But like you fundamentally are exactly the same. In your worth is the same in your value is the same. So how can you get comfortable with yourself and living with yourself? No matter what an outside world is saying about you the thing I find that's interesting about like this conversation because we all need people, and we all need to be a part of a community. And like there's these in the Netherlands. They do this commun- living thing where it's like they'll have like single moms with like, it's it's have you heard this spoke living or something. Yeah. And it's like they'd basically it's a wheel yet. It's essentially like a commun-. So if you're. Grandma, or you're a single mom of two kids or whatever everyone lives in apartments, but they all eat like, so you only cook once a month. And then there's somebody to babysit your kids co up. There's a there's a big one like that near where I lived in Chicago that was like this this high rise co where you your rent was not very high, but part of your deal living. There was you had to help help provide maintenance. And but it's it this one this one single mom was talking about. She was like I have like four extra hours a day from this community living because if you don't have to like do your grocery shopping every day and do the cooking and do the cleaning, and you know, life is like a war of attrition yet. It's just every morning your child still wants to eat breakfast. And you're like just gave you about. Feeding me I had breakfast yesterday that becomes less of a task. But not everybody wants to share like I not everyone wants this. But I mean, I was at a party. This is such a prime example. I was very high, and I was very cozy at a party, and I was like in a blanket, and my friend next to me was eating a warm chocolate chip cookie. And I just decided I'd try this on her, and I said to her friends share. She looked at me. Oh my God. Wait, wait. You have to have the perfect by. And she took the whip cream and put it on the chocolate chip cookie and handed me the perfect by and I was like I love her. She's very happily married to gorgeous, yummy, children still hope to the right of me was my other friend my neighbor, who's always like I want to be in a relationship and she was eating a cookie. So I was like, oh, we're so great the first time. So I turned to her and I go friends share. And she looked at me, and she goes get your own. And I was like that like you say you want to be in a relationship. But that that's the thing. You don't you really want 'cause that's sharing that's like sharing all your shit. And not as you really wanna share your shits. Like, the American political argument boiled down into you being hired a party and asking people fit cooking libertarian. Arguing with a libertarian and his socialist. The socialist was like here's your free Medicare for all and some whip cream on top. And that's the thing about deep like deep thinking too because it's like when I think about the polarization in our political climate, currently, I really wonder if that's related to the level of distractibility, and the fact that we're all we all consume media within our own bubbles, and how many how many people are like sitting down and being like I like this, and I like this. But I actually don't like that. I don't like what this person who's a liberal said an I actually think that this idea that this guy has a really good idea. You know, so you don't boil it down to like, the binary, you are actually like stepping outside, and like not being afraid to have an opinion. And that's where that's also where that's also we're conversation is gonna come from in progress will come from. I think the tribal is political tribalism is based on human protective instinct were the most miserable summer of my life was after fresh. Manera of college, and I was living in an apartment with strangers. And I was working in a lab like a science lab. So it's very cold and lonely if you've ever done that. And I didn't know anyone in that city. And it was just like I fell into such a profound depression that I had to go home. And like, I think everything I do is like trying to avoid going back to that place. And so I think that's sort of a side example to be like. Politically, I think people like feeling like they're part of a group like it's not like you're sitting down. And being like, I like what Rush Limbaugh says about that. But I like what John Oliver says about that. Like people are like, we might Trump supporting people, we believe this my liberal people in like, I will never I won't just instinctually want to like tweet something out that like all my woke friends bad bed. Take you want to be accepted by your tribe. Like the same time. You know, I'm Jewish, but I don't align. With like news ionised, you know, everything. And so like, and I always want to be like Jews because right now everybody hates us and trying to kill us. You guys are. Thank you. Big big, I have to find my juice, or like, you know, my woke juice. I think you can find a sub community of Jews who are like. But that's crazy. But we want to just live our lives. I think that brings us kind of full circle here when we talk about the tension between people being alone more than ever also seeking community because it's something that we also need. We we need both things. And I think as people are maybe spending more time alone in ways that aren't healthy ways to spend time alone. They're seeking community in ways that aren't healthy ways to seek out community, which brings us to kind of where we are. Now where people aren't really getting either world of what they need. They're not getting a good community. And they're not getting good alone time, and that is all the time. We have to talk about being alone being alone. Together. It's been very therapeutic. It's been really fun. We have to take a break. But when we come back the hills will die on this week. Hysteria is brought to you by living proof. If you color your hair, you know, how frustrating it is to spend all that time and money only to have your color fade in a couple of weeks. 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We're at the part where we take adamant stances on things that don't really matter. The hills will die on. Let's get started with the listener hill. Hello. My name is reachable the hill. I will die on is that no one should say bless you after a sneeze. There are no other bodily functions in which we must bless spirits from. Our bodies burps are not blessed farts are not blessed and these are basically the same function from our body. Just coming from different ends no-one should say bless you after a sneeze. It's just a bodily function the person sneezing should say excuse me. Wow. Okay. So from now on whenever whenever anybody sneezes. I'm just gonna say fuck you. I'm gonna take the exact opposite approach and say that every single bodily function should get a bless you. You fart? And then you're like bless you. I like when you're in a public space on a stranger sneezes these steel, and then you have that that moment of connection actually for orthodox or orthodoxy? Or maybe I'm not sure what sect, but there is a blessing for like taking a morning crap. Because you're just like sank you so much for this interested day working. Everything's working in one day. You know won't and you'll you'll really feel it. And then you'll curse seems like the Catholics should have a patron Saint of that two of shitting seems like there would be a shit sate. But there's probably a saying who should themselves to death. I'm sure they've they've died in all ways the Bashan with the Aero's. They've all died in the book because it's inconsistent. They have like different people. You can pray to Larry. Shitting? That's. That's almost like Hinduism. There's a Strobe. But yeah, they're like gods and goddesses they're just sort of like God's secretaries in different departments. Like, you're like, okay. Hey, listen, Saint Jude. I need Hinduism. That's wild really similar. Yeah. I should know that except ours. Like, they don't look cool. They're all just people, you know, they don't have like cool different color skin or like animal forms, like they're not as artistic interesting to look at. Anyway, I'll get started with the hill that I'll die on this week because it's it's a real stupid. I've thought this for a long time. But I I like to cook for myself. And when I go to the grocery store and buy herbs, I need there to be less of them. Available to me I need to be able to buy one bay leaf. I don't need fifteen. Yeah. I'm not going to get through these fifteen Bailey's. I need. Just I just need the one. Was the hill. I didn't know I need it. Yes. I'll pay a dollar. I will weigh overpay for the ability to not waste eight. Bay leaves like I need eight bay leaves or dollar ninety nine. I will take one for a dollar honest to God. So that's that's a hill. Good hill. Good hill. Thank you, racket that hill it is. It is a racket was in the racket category with the igloos places. Hotdogs come in six eight another railroad song about that. I did when I was a child. That don't you do. She's a multi hyphen. It was it was not a good song. I I'll be the judge of that cured. Do you want to go next? I don't like when strangers contact you before I think ten o'clock AM, I think it's absolutely rude. I think it's I actually I find it aggressive and rude. And I hate you. So in what context in any context? So if I've given my number to somebody who like like, I told you this. I just got on the internet for dating, and it was like the number of people who internet for data. Yeah. It's the internet into things you have you heard about the internet is one just for date. I just joined it. Yeah. I joined it like two weeks ago on I'm already done this. But people I can't even believe that people will tech eight in the morning seven in the morning ten in who are you stop it? It's I don't know you you are a stranger. You're a stranger who could murder me. There's like stranger ours. Is there an end time that they can text. You depends on the reason I feel like it's I feel like what's appropriate is probably like, I don't know ten to seven ten to eight ten and nine. Maybe hey, you know, I don't. But I don't I just think business again, you have weakened hours. I don't have. I don't like I don't I don't wanna be. I maybe I just wanted be just I'm impressed. He lasted two weeks. Dating. Just I I don't think I want. I don't think I want to be contacted. I don't think contacted. All right. That's fair. Share her cookie? Nobody nobody Karen before ten if you don't already know curing yet. And even if you do maybe try not to you know, my life. You don't know my schedule looking right at. To text us. Sometimes I just don't know. What time I'm I'm really late. I'm up really late. So it's hard for me to. It's just hard for me to be awake, man. Okay. Fair enough. All right. Dana my hills, very specific. And it's in relation to this weekend. Which is the big endgame game of thrones weekend, which is you're not allowed to complain. Like, you have to know it a spoiler as if you're gonna complain about spoilers. Love people love getting mad and being spoiler. And it's like, no, I I had it's because I had a tweet where I was like Thanos wears a t shirt, and it made me laugh like I thought it was funny that the space villain showed up in teeshirt. That's not a spoiler that doesn't spoil anything. And I tweeted at like Monday, I think one if you're going to complain about spoilers because you want everything to go in fresh. Do you have to commit to seeing it opening weekend as soon as you can to or don't read the internet? Yeah. Don't be on Twitter where people are making the internet of dating. Yeah. Not going to spoil it for you. But what if they're user pictures Donaldson? Literally, go, find a hill. Like, a literal hill, go hiking on the hill or not your cell phone. And off the hill. The real hill is that if you're gonna that's not people need to complain about real spoilers, which is like, I know you're going to go see a thing. So I'm just going to look you in the I tell you what the ending is to like tell me aggressively do that. But like making a joke about like, a character's outfit, or like a thing that happens or a line is not a spoiler and complaining about it and pretending those are spoilers weakens the spoiler meaning. Yeah, I also think there's a statute of limitations for spoiler. I think it's like the the day the twenty four hours after TV shows comes out is the halo of spoilers and then like a week after a movie opens, otherwise it's kind of on you like this week in at work. We are watching talking about old movies watching old movies than it has been an overarching joke over and over again. It's like, oh, yeah. The Maltese felt good. Hey spoilers air. There's there's a time limit too. I think. Yeah. Which don't you know, it's like I remember somebody hadn't seen like a quiet place or something and don't spoil it. It's like you haven't seen it before. Now, I'm I'm not going to not about counterpoint. I think that spoilers are actually about intention, which is me making a joke on Twitter that like isn't directly about the ending a week after movie isn't really a spoiler. But if you were like, I've never seen the six cents. I'm seeing it tomorrow for the first time, and I'm look goose would. That's a dick move. And that's a spoiler because target for the the the Star Wars where you know. Hunt solo does thing, and it was like the movie out like three days and somebody sent that as a reply to one of my polit- betcha. Dick. That's like, and I went and saw it. And I was like that's more about like intention. I think we're spoilers like that dick move. What about impact about acts? Dana will that is impact to it's the combination that you all right Michaela. Yeah. Okay. Maybe this was already said on the show. I have no idea because it's pretty it's pretty obvious. But like my whole family came to visit and they love hiking, and we'd go hiking and inevitably we'd be on these beautiful trails. You know in California all the wild flowers and come in the other way would be some guy with his cell phone playing some shit ass song they needed a soundtrack they needed like, it's just so rude. And it's so stupid and talk about not being able to be alone with your thoughts. Like, you have to play in nature away like where people are trying to your birds and get away from everything you have to walk playing, you know, Tepa hair down. You don't have head headphones. Phone phone. You don't need like your one, man. Fucking Coachella walking through. We're just I mean, luckily as people we were passing and not people who are hiking near a beach. If sitting next to next general, I went to a Korean spa, and this woman was watching a TV show on her cell phone in there. And I was like, are you kidding me? And I Finally I can sit here and just get my, you know, ovaries tangle, or I can walk over there and be like eighty mind putting on headphones and she looked up at me dead. And she goes everybody is talking and unlike if you don't know the fucking difference between two people to friends or mother and daughter talking to each other in a hot tub, or you watching whatever the shit ash it you're watching. Then then then then I'm then go in the sun and never come out. There's a there's a Korean. She should ask shit ash. The name of this episode. It is nothing of this shit ash demand. Like everybody when somebody decides that everybody needs to listen to what they're listening to extremely insulting. Although I was gonna say the Korean spa that I used to go to in the sauna had a TV, and it was always playing like just game shows that I could not follow. Yeah. It was like I was like whatever came before the mast singer like the Korean version of the mast singer where they would like there'd be somebody singing it with sound really great. But they'd be in a full animal costume. And then they would take the head off in the crowd would lose their shit. But it would be a celebrity who I'd never seen before. But it was talking about is fun errands. I appreciate that. I appreciate and they would pelt them with. Thirty. Everybody be grimacing. But it's a I don't know. What's happening be sub sub hill with that is motorcycles that are so loud that you know, they had to make them loud, specifically muffler revving. Yeah. I don't need to hear that. I'm just living my life. I'm on the with my mom pretty good south park up soda 'bout. Exactly that. But it it might make some departures from your viewpoints beyond that. It's like motorcycles are bad. And yeah, it's it's good just revealing that I don't I don't watch. I'm I'm a fan. Okay. Those are the hills that we're going to die on this week. Karen Michaela in Dana. Thank you so much coming by. Thanks to Eliza master Monica for calling in. If you like what you heard this week, please rate and review us on itunes and tell your friends, and they'll be more hysteria next week's. Bennett. Gets gun.

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The Witch-Hunter King

Noble Blood

24:33 min | 1 year ago

The Witch-Hunter King

"Welcome to noble blood production of iheartradio in. Aaron minke listener discretion is advised. One week before his mother was beheaded, James The sixth the king, of Scotland, had a premonition. He hadn't seen his mother since he was an infant just over one year old. She lived for him only in letters in portrait and in the stories. His tutors told him about her. She had been foolish prideful Catholic. Her rule in Scotland, had been chaos fueled by impudence. If Mary Queen of Scots hadn't personally overseen the murder of James's father Lord Darnley and she had certainly willfully looked the other way. James's mother was right to have been forced to abdicate after marrying marrying the man implicated in Darnley death less than three months later. In James's guilty moments, he acknowledged that his mother Mary's imprisonment in England by their cousin Elizabeth. I was a godsend. After all he was king of Scotland now with no real threats to his power. The expenses of his Catholic mothers. Wasn't being paid by Scottish coffers. And by making good with Elizabeth by showing his loyalty to our and to protestantism, he was set to be next in line for the English throne when the Virgin Queen finally died. They told him that his mother had been beautiful ones. He wished he remembered what she looked like. A week before Queen Elizabeth, the I would reluctantly violate the sanctity of the monarchy and deliver a death sentence to the former queen of a sovereign nation. James the sex came down to breakfast and told his minister that his mother had visited him in a dream. It was just her head, he said. Floating down the black hallway towards my sleeping form. UNBLINKING UNBE leading. The king looked haunted. His eyes were dark circles his skin with Saleh. His feelings towards his mother were strange and laced with guilt. When the sword finally came down on his mother's neck. You wouldn't do much wouldn't ruffle feathers. He would keep Elizabeth on his good side so that he could inherit her crown. That night a week earlier. When he saw his mother's head floating towards him, he felt a profound shame. It's the occult. He said to his minister the next morning. Dark magic that showing me the future. That's shame. He felt that fear. It was just the devil trying to manipulate him. The Devil was real and James. The sixth would need to be stronger than the devil. During his reign and Scotland and then later in England. James The sixth ignited fervor of witch hunting that would lead to as many as four thousand women being burned at the stake. He was a man on a mission. Obsessed with rooting out evil and all who cavorted with it. Nothing masks shame like moral righteousness and James. The sixth was nothing if not always sure that he was right. I'm Dana Schwartz. And this is noble blood. That when the future King James the. Six of Scotland was still an infant coming in his cradle. His father Lord Darnley was murdered. Darnley only twenty one years old had seduced Mary Queen of Scots with his son kissed. Good looks and laze fare approach to life. But after marriage, what had been charmingly lazy-faire revealed itself to just be lazy. Mary had saddled herself with a boorish cheating, bullheaded boy, a child himself, and though she managed to bear a son Bhai Him. The relationship quickly soured beyond all repair. That was the state of the marriage between the Queen of Scotland and Lord Darnley when two barrels of gunpowder exploded beneath the floor of darn lease room where he was staying in Kirk Afield in Edinburgh. Mary was back at the palace. Holly Rood where she was celebrating the wedding of favor court musician. Journalese body was found in an orchard in the corner of the property, apparently unaffected by the explosion. He survived, it seemed and made it out of the Collapsing House only to be strangled upon escape. Mary wasn't the only one who hated Darnley. Who hated his impudence and sloth. A nobleman, the fourth earl of Bothwell was implicated in darn lease murder, which made it all the more scandalous when Mary Queen. Scott married him just weeks after her husband's death. Of course. She claimed she had been raped and kidnapped. But that's what she would say. Wooden she. She was murderous, adulterous and Catholic. And so the overwhelmingly Presbyterian nobles in the south of Scotland forced her to abdicate and go into hiding five days later in a subdued ceremony, devoid of any of the pomp that can be mistaken for Catholic showmanship. Mary and Darnley his infant son became james the sixth King of Scotland. James would be raised right. His tutor. The humanist scholar George, Buchanan was more than sixty years older than his charge and drilled into James The basics of Latin theology in between beatings. James Learned Latin before he learned Scottish. Buchanan a devoted presbyterian convert often railed against the former Queen Mary. Your mother was a traitor. Buchanan told the young James. She was a poisoning which. Became in had once been married tutor. And while back then he had praised her quit and abilities. Once he converted. He turned against her. It was Buchanan who identified Mary's handwriting in a casket of letters that supposedly proved her guilty of conspiring with Darnley as murderers. And, so james grew up learning that his only comfort was to be found in the rigidity of academia. His only pleasures philosophical argument well-reasoned. The hectoring nobleman, who crowded him like circling vultures to make sure that the young king would be raised properly. Couldn't take umbrage with that with his score with his devotion to the Bible and his studies. And those noblemen made sure to do away with any other pleasures James might enjoy. When James was thirteen, his cousin as May Stewart swept into court from France. Stewart who quickly styled the Duke of Lennox was thirty seven years old. Immediately, he charmed the teenage king with confidence, his good looks and his. Let's say certain Joie de Vive. Other noblemen noticed the way that James would throw his arms around Lenox and kiss him every time he saw him, and they noticed the way pious James began to swear more began to pay less attention in church and more attention to the strapping man who treated him like a peer a not a delicate Qinglin. Lennox had made a show of converting to calvinism from Catholicism, but no one really believed that was anything but a performance. They knew how dangerous Catholic influence could be on the young king I, because he could teach James about the divine right of monarchs. The Scots believe king existed to serve the people. But also because they noticed the way James's gays. Linger? Lennox was influencing James to carnal sin, and the Group of noblemen were willing to hold james the sixth hostage literally until Lennox was gone, and there would be no more evil Catholic influences on their young king. After that whole affair James found himself once again alone told that piety was the only important thing to being king. And any confusing feelings he had any shame. Any guilt could be tucked away and forgotten about unfolded into a book. Nobleman watching over the young Scottish king used to talk with pride about how we never philander with ladies, how well behaved James had been with regards to his virtue and the young women of court. After Lennox. They didn't say that as much. But eventually the time came for James to find a bride, and he then twenty three. Chose the Blonde Princess Anne of Denmark only fourteen years old, but already celebrated for her blonde curls and her beauty. As soon as she learned, she had been selected to be James's bride Shan learning French, so the to have a common language with which to communicate. Though James hadn't ever shown an interest in women. Wants. His bride to be was set the proxy marriage completed. James couldn't wait for her to arrive in Scotland for the two of them to get married in person. Unfortunately he would have to. When an and her entourage began to sail from Denmark to Scotland, terrible storms interfered and forced her ships to turn back not once not twice, but three times. Finally they tucked away for safety in a Norwegian Fjord to wait out the storm's. It would be months before James would have his bride delivered to him, and since no ships were getting through, not even once delivering messages. James had no way of knowing what was going on. He waited for his bride, hoping that the love letters he had thoughtfully written in French would make their way to her, but having no way to know for sure. Where is she? James would mutter pacing the palace and Edinburgh. He had a wife. She just wasn't here. Amend James Struck with a brilliant idea. He would be a conquering hero a champion of romance. He would sail out himself and rescue his damsel in distress. He would come to her. His ministers were less convinced of the brilliance of the idea. A king leaving would leave the country vulnerable, and even Elizabeth the first down in. England muttered that James Rash decision could give the Catholics the in Scotland. They so desperately wanted. But James would not be deterred. would be chivalry and Carnet braving storms and more to meet his teenage bride. When he finally made it to Oslo after a long and treacherous journey. James Resplendent in the finest outfit he had brought with him on the trip came over to an an attempted to plant a kiss on his new wife. And pulled away shocked and embarrassed. Its customers Scotland for husbands to greet their wives. This way James said. Oh and said and let him kiss her. James enjoyed spending time with his new wife, but he also enjoyed the philosophers and mathematicians in Denmark. James and an wouldn't return to Scotland until the spring. And they spent the winter I also, and then, in Copenhagen, where James showed off his world-class Latin conversations and lectures with some of the ages most preeminent thinkers. When the pair did finally make it back to the British isles. Another bumpy near disastrous, Journey! The waves didn't want them to make it back to Scotland. Though they finally did in spite of the storms. Back in Denmark, the Danish government was furious that such week ill equipped ships were sent out for the royals. They, summoned the finance. Minister to a special hearing. How could he have approved those ships? Why had he been so cheap in protecting the lives of monarchs? The finance minister felt the sweat creeping up the back of his neck. This palm's went clammy. This would cost him his job shortly, but if they could prove that he was negligent with the monarch's lives, it would also cost him his life. It wasn't me the Finance Minster said finally. The ships were perfect. The dangers were caused by witches. So, it was witches. But the trials begin. In, a small town outside Edinburgh, a man named David Seaton started noticing some strange behavior from his made Geli, Duncan. Recently, she had been curing illnesses. Neighbors began appearing at their back door with rashes and boils. Leaving a few coins lighter with a new tonic or onion to apply. And Kelly was leaving at night, sneaking outside when she thought David was asleep. And only returning when the morning light had begun to creep up the hill. She was a witch. There was no other explanation. Geli denied it, but David demanded to know where she had been going at night. And? She couldn't give him an answer. But, she wasn't a witch, she said. At least that's what she said at first. After torture when they crushed her fingers, and the thumb screw until her nails turned, black fell off until she could hear the creak of bone then she agreed she was a witch. She had been one of the coven that had tried to send the storms to kill King James and his new wife. and. She was willing to name names. Seventy people were prosecuted in the North Berwick Trials with gin in fifteen ninety and continued on for another two years. James, the sixth oversaw many of the proceedings personally. After all the devil was after him a king, a devout man of God. Not, all of the witches that Galley named were women. Among, her cohorts was a man named John Fan a schoolteacher who purportedly made a pact with the devil from mystical powers. had been among the coven that brought the storms on the king's voyage. But John fiennes sorcery hadn't ended there. He had a crush on the sister of one of his students, and he asked his pupil to bring back a lock of her pubic hair to class, so that he john could work some spell with it and entice the girl to him. The young student was understandably terrified. That night he tried to cut off some of his sisters pubic hair in the bed that they shared, but he was interrupted by his mother. The mother knowing something of witchcraft herself told her son to bring back cow hair to his teacher the next day. The boy did and wouldn't you know it the after that? There was a cow following John around leaping up at him madly in love. John fiennes bowel had worked. He was a witch, maybe even the leader of the coven. And that proved it. His confession also proved it. Even, if it had been given after, his feet were crushed in steel, boots and needles were pressed underneath his fingernails. One of the witches Barbara Napier had married into an advantageous family and manage to escape conviction and punishment at trial because she was pregnant. That didn't sit well with James the sex. You wanted all witchcraft rooted out of Scotland family connections being damned. He demanded that the verdict be overturned and for Napier to be examined by physicians. If she wasn't actually pregnant, she was to be burnt and publicly disemboweled. The paper trail of Barbara. Napier Story and there. We don't know what happened to her. One of the witches. A woman named Agnes Sampson. The oldest of the woman named was brought to Hollywood palace because James insisted on examining her personally. There was a reason that more of the witches were women. James would write later in his book dame -nology. As that fair sex is frailer than men is, so it is easier to be entrapped in the gross snares of the devil. James didn't hate women. He didn't. He just hated those weak enough to be seduced by the devil. And those just happened to be women. Agnes Sampson was shaved, so every inch of her could be examined for a witches mark. All witches have a mole or scar somewhere small and hidden usually. That's where the devil bites. A witch where he suckled her. Agnes Sampson which is mark a small puckered mall. was eventually found along the line of Genitalia. And that's when the torture began. Eventually Agnes confessed to treason against the king for taking a wax, effigy pen, and burning it with the intent of causing his death. And she confessed to digging up dead bodies, taking their limbs, wrapping them around cats, and then throwing the home massive it. Dead Limbs, the cat still alive into the ocean. Bat Brew that mixture had been what caused the storms that plagued James, and an when they sailed from Denmark back to Scotland. How had the king survived all of these feverish magical attempts on his life? Agnes had an answer. Apparently the devil had come to her and speaking French as the devil obviously does. He told her that King James. The sixth was a man of God and therefore so difficult to corrupt through the devils evil powers. James was vindicated. He saw his righteousness in the is every witch who confessed to trying to bring him down. James the Sixth of Scotland would bring his commitment to rooting out witches with him when he became in addition to Scottish title also James The first of England. England had some anti which laws on the books they were not nearly strict enough for James. Prison wasn't good enough. which is deserved death? and. He shared his expertise with his people in his book. Deem analogy which quoted heavily from the Bible and taught would be which hunters everything they would need to know in order to identify and take down a witch. James was after all a scholar. The fervor died down though the English people seemed less willing to engage with the anti, which fervor than the Scots had been. And even James's bloodlust waned in his old age. When he was an older man, no longer slim or as quick as he wanted bin. He wrote a letter to his younger son. Henry. Henry had written with pride about rooting out counterfeit, wench and being an expert, which hunter just like his father. James responded I. Pray God he may be my air in such discoveries. Most miracles nowadays prove bud. Allusions. And you may see this by how wary judges should be entrusting accusations. So many of us think that we don't have the time to learn a new topic or pick up a new hobby. With the great courses, plus it's this amazing educational streaming service that makes learning so easy and accessible with thousands of lectures on practically any topic you can think of with objective indepth information from some of the best teachers in the world. 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After, James took the throne of England. Shakespeare took it upon himself to write plays that would appeal specifically to the new monarch. He drew heavily from King. James's Dima -nology which included details about those now. Infamous North Bear Wick which trials. The king loved witches, and so what better way to begin, Macbeth, a play about a Scottish king, then with three witches, three chaotic evil characters of impending doom, who discussed raising tempests and controlling the winds. Isn't that what which is do? They control wins and try to bring down, Scottish kings. Double Double Toil and trouble. And the North Berwick witch trials have inspired popular entertainment even more recently. In the Scottish that series outlander, the protagonist, Claire Meets a woman with a talent for herbs. outlander is set about two hundred years after James's reign in Scotland. But the author smack in a small manage to the witch finder king. 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Genitalia became so frenzied that for a period of time. Don't couldn't leave her home without guards because of all the strangers who were trying to physically rip her clothes off an expose. Whatever was beneath presumably to their financial advantage after a year. The betting pool was abandoned because no progress was made on actually coming up with a determination that was deemed satisfactory. If you can possibly believe it. Y'all wasn't willing to undergo a public physical examination but deals gender expression that became such a topic of public interest in the eighteenth century. That the court of the king's bench in england and then ultimately the french government would weigh in to issue formal declarations that. She was in fact a woman and would and should be publicly. Treated as such the chevalier. Dion is one of history's most compelling and confounding figures sometimes regarded as a proto queer. Figure the namesake for a number of groups that support the transgender community. She is sometimes incorrectly recognized as the first openly transgender person in europe but that declaration is both an over simplification of the chevallier and a fundamental misunderstanding of gender expression throughout history. Trans people have existed as long as people have existed. And certainly the chevalier deal would not have thought of herself as transgender. Nor would she have had the vocabulary to do. So so perhaps understandably there's plenty of confusion and a good amount of disagreement even among prominent historians about the appropriate pronouns to us. When we're talking about the chevelle personally with the research and reading. I've done i've decided to use female pronouns continually throughout the episode just as the london stock exchange discovered barring an inspection of a now corpses genitals. There's no quote unquote right. Answer for the chevaliers biological sex and to me. Even thinking along those terms is a little gross and intrusive not to mention as you'll find out later on pretty unhelpful in the end so what we do actually know about. The chevelle is that she spent the last three and a half decades of her life. Making it very clear on an official and on a personal level that she was a woman and wanted to be treated as such. It feels like the very least. I can do as a podcast. Her telling her story to take her at her word there during her lifetime the chevallier was celebrated by contemporary feminist thinkers like a lump to garage and mary wollstonecraft in her vindication of the rights of women wollstonecraft specifically includes the as an example of a woman who was able to succeed in a man's world wollstonecraft rights. I shall not lay any great stress upon the example of few women. Sappho louisa mrs mccullough. The empress of russia madame deal etcetera these and many more may be reckoned exceptions and are not all heroes as well as heroines captions to general rules. I wished to see women. Neither heroines nor brutes but reasonable creatures. Who from having received a masculine education have acquired courage and resolution. This chevaliers like would have been filled with and scandal and more than a few international incidents even if she hadn't also been a walking example of this strange performance of gender both in the eighteenth century. And today i'm dana schwartz and this is noble blood the figure who would come to be best known as the chevalier deal was assigned male at birth when she was born on october fifth. Seventeen twenty eight into nor france. A little town tucked into the hills of the wine regions of burgundy. Her being assigned male delighted her father. They were a noble family but noble and poor a terrible combination. Once the chevallier father had son his own air he was entitled to a certain inheritance from his laws physically. The chevalier deal remained small her entire life. Five feet four inches tall with long legs. Blue eyes and voice. That was high pitched enough that it was remarked upon presenting as a man as her father's there diaz studied civil and canon law to become a lawyer like her father. She graduated from collage mazorra. Twenty one in seventeen forty nine over the next five years like many other young intelligent literary people do all made a name for herself as a political writer. One successful enough that you even gained some notoriety her career was also enough to propel her into a prominent job working as a secretary for a number of high ranking court officials and as an official royal sensor for history and literature and then ultimately she got a job as the secretary of the diplomat sent on behalf of france to the court of the russian empress elizabeth or at least that was what john was doing. Russia officially unofficially. She was working as an agent of the top secret spy network known as the secret of the king or secret berewa. The group was so secret that there were officials the actual government who didn't know it existed. The point of the secret to route was to serve the king. Louis the fifteenth exclusively so that he could operate in certain foreign spears without involving france as a whole sometimes like in russia. The task of the secret to rua ran contrary to the officially stated. French diplomatic goals. The king's plan as dion later recounted it was to put his cousin the prince conti on the polish throne so that poland could operate as a satellite french nation. And so the all was meant to make nice with empress elizabeth of russia to help foster good relationships with her and to undermine habsburg power in the area there's very little corroborative about john's time in russia possibly because some of it was in a secret capacity so for some details we have to rely exclusively on her own possibly embellished memoirs written later in life according to dr. At the time she was sent to russia the english were attempting to restrict fringe access to the russian court and so they were only allowing women and children across the border so in order to complete her mission deante took on the disguise of a woman a woman named lyod boma deal passed as a woman and then passed across the boarder this is according to john's memoirs the first instance of her publicly presenting as a woman for political purposes. In this case but to ultimately positive effect it's also worth pointing out that empress elizabeth's court in russia was a place where dressing was a common and delighted in form of entertainment. The empress through weekly crossdressing. Parties called metamorphosis balls in which men arrived in petticoats and elizabeth herself showed off her figure in men's riding clothes as a young future. Catherine the great would write of these parties quote the only woman who looked really well and completely a man was the empress herself as she was tall and powerful attire suited. Her she had the handsomeness leg. I had ever seen some people say empress elizabeth just wanted to throw these parties because she was tired of her handsomeness leg underneath voluminous women's petticoats by all accounts dion dazzled in her post ultimately withdrawn from russia when france was pulled into a more immediate international conflict. The seven years war with england. John was made at a sin of dragoons and fought valiantly distinguishing herself enough that she was made the secretary to the duke of rene and was deployed to london to assist in the drafting of the peace treaty when the war ended in seventeen sixty three. Dr received the order of saleh louis and was granted the title of chevalier the french equivalent of a knighthood. She was only thirty five years old and she was going to continue to be incredibly useful to the king. After the seven years war france was in fragile condition it had been stripped of its north american colonies and it was saddled now with two things enormous debts and the hatred of the english. The secret raw had a new goal to see if invading britain was a thing that might be on the horizon deal was given a post as a temporary as onto the english court. A short term diplomatic job while the real ambassador england was being appointed secretly on the orders of king. Louis the fifteen. Her job was also to scope out the english coastline to see if there was a place that would lend itself to a french invasion but our former good soldier. Y'all wasted very little time. Becoming a thorn in the kingside. She had expensive tastes and she was formerly reprimanded for importing too much expensive wine on francis dying. Which would have been troublesome at any time but was especially impudent when francis cash-strapped and deeply in debt from the war. But donald was about to cause more trouble than just buying wine soon. Enough the real ambassador to england was appointed. And y'all was politely told to vacate the position. The official ambassador was a man named comte. Together she who had almost no diplomatic experience and even fewer friends. He was a mediocre bureaucrat. And as soon as he arrived john was to be demoted to serve as his secretary even though deal outranked him as a member of the secret in short. It was an outrage. Not to be abided. And y'all said as much in the numerous letters that she wrote back to france saying that it was an insult that she was expected to vacate the ambassador position for someone as unqualified and unlikable as the comte. Later joe would also right that. She believed that she was being sabotaged. Back in france by the king's favourite mistress madame de pompadour. Who was threatened by anyone but her having prominent influence over the king do. Y'all was fired for insolence and given two weeks to pack her bags. Come back to france. At this point she knew she was in trouble. Poor low ranking nobleman could be thrown into the steel for less than what she did. She wouldn't be returning back to france for a party with sparkling grape juice in the office kitchen and so the all made the decision to just not. She just didn't return to france louis. The fifteenth was outraged of course and he demanded that the on be extradited but the french foreign minister just shrugged and said that you always welcome to stay in britain as a private citizen. The french crown went so far as to try to physically kidnapped. Y'all and bring her back to france. Altuna avail without a country or any real political protection. Deal made an incredibly risky decision. The nuclear option. She published a book of state secrets full of all of her correspondent through our service and the secret dirac with plenty of salacious details. And the promise that this was just the first volume of many that there were even more scandalous secrets on the way it was like. I said a risky strategy. But when that paid off without political protection dion turned the protection of celebrity and fame the protective bubble of attention and the adoration of the british people for this woman who basically just betrayed the french government. Do y'all became an overnight. International celebrity the person. Everyone was talking about the next morning at the water cooler so to speak. She was the main character of european politics for fifteen minutes in gary. Cates is biography was the all as a woman. The writer includes a contemporary letter from a sixteen year. Old girl writing to a friend astounded by impudence as for yawns implicit blackmail to spill more french secrets that worked too because she hadn't included the worst of king. Louis secrets louis. The fifteenth quietly awarded. Y'all a lifelong pension of twelve thousand lever in exchange for the promise that she would withhold the most incriminating secrets. And maybe the promise that would continue to pass along some reports on british politics. As long as she was over in england. Dion was in exile in an uneasy truce with the french crown but certainly not permitted to return to france and so she began her life in exile in england as a political celebrity. It's also about now that the rumors started rumors that were possibly started. Almost certainly fueled by all herself that that scandalous french pat who had up until this point presented as a man was actually a woman. This is when the betting pool came about and the hoards of frenzied gamblers desperate to examine the on genitalia. By assaulting her in the street deal for her part kept coyly mum continuing to present as a man until finally an investigator arrived on behalf of the french government. Trying to discover the truth at this point diaz side and came clean. Yes she actually was a woman she had been born. A woman biologically but was raised as a son because her tyrannical father was desperate to have an heir in seventeen seventy seven. When do y'all was forty nine years old. The courts of the king's bench made its formal declaration on behalf of the english government from westminster that yes the figure who had been known up until that point as monsieur dion was actually emad mozelle quote. She who had called herself the chevalier diong until that day was an individual who did not possess with the appalachian man promised and that she was quote a virago disguised in a uniform. It was actually all part of an astonishingly. Clever routes on the part of deal as hugh ryan wrote for the website vendettas by claiming that she had secretly been a woman all along disguised as a man john was allowed to publicly transition in a way that never would have otherwise been socially acceptable but by framing it as coming clean. Not only was her transition acceptable. It was celebrated met with absolutely no loss of status here. She was a good christian woman who could no longer live ally who had pretended to be a man this entire time in noble service to the french king now living yourself diaz goal was to return to france as a heroine a few years prior king louis. The fifteenth died and his grandson. Louis sixteen had taken the throne louisville. Sixteen had no ambitions to invade brin and the also did not see the need for dual foreign services and so the secret to rua was abolished. And do you own pension along with it. It took fourteen months of negotiation. Between louis. the sixteenths representative and dea to negotiate her return to france. But ultimately the terms were settled with an agreement that came to be known as the transaction which allowed diaz return to france stipulating that you would henceforth present as a woman though she would still be allowed to wear the insignia of the order of saint louis. Her title was changed from chevallier to chevalier making her the first female night and even though i wanted to continue to wear her dragoon uniform the king wouldn't allow it and so the transaction also provided funds for new outfits from marie antoinette's dressmaker berty on november twenty. First seventeen seventy seven mademoiselle lechevalier. Dion emerged from a four hour. Twelve in an elaborate dress with a powdered wig and a faithful of makeup to be formally presented at versailles. It was a rebirth of sorts. She had returned to france and she had returned as herself. Unfortunately dion was about to learn a terrible lesson about what it meant to be a woman in the seventeen hundreds in a word boring for an unmarried. Relatively poor noblewoman. French court offered very little to do. There was sitting around getting dressed chatting maybe playing cards for a woman who had spent the earlier decades of her life. Travelling the world as an international spy slash diplomats slash replay of the political world. Being ladies sitting around in petticoats was mind numbing. when france joined the american colonies revolution against the english. Deante tried to put on her dragoon uniform again and fight. She suggested that she could assemble an all female battalion. The french government suggested that she join a convent. She was so insistent in her ambitions to join the war efforts. That only deal was arrested and then imprisoned in the dungeon below the chateau of design for nineteen days upon which was released as long as she promised to shut up about the whole wanting to go into battle thing disheartened. Dr returned to england. She said it was just temporary to settle some business but it became fairly clear that she had no intention of returning to france. At least in england she was able to escape some of the restrictions of be highly rigid french court and soon she would have no choice but to stay in london. The french revolution broke out and the deal was safe. In england her a small pension was lost as was all her family property into near now. A woman in her sixties deal was impoverished forced to sell her possessions and her best collection of books to get by her. Main form of income was dawning. Her full dress and participating in public fencing demonstrations where she would best men but her short career as a fencing performer ended at age. Sixty eight with an injury at this point. Four or financial reasons deal was forced to take a roommate. An old widow named mrs cole. Mrs cole was the one who would go on to discover diaz dead body just a few years after dion was paralyzed from a fall. The chevalier de died at eighty one years old impoverished though had spent the last thirty three years of her life living as a woman upon her death. Mrs cole pulled back the bed sheets to reveal that y'all had male genitalia although it was also noted that the i'd certain female sex characteristics none of that information feels very relevant scientific to me but contemporary historian suggests that dion might have been biologically intersex in the end that feels far less important and far less relevant to the realities of actual life the way she lived presenting a man which granted her the access and opportunities of education and then cleverly pretending that she had been a cross dressing man her entire life so that she could publicly transition and live as a woman. The famous feminist mary wollstonecraft thought of as a woman on par with sappho and the famous letter writer. Louise or louisa dion both defied and defined modern conventions of gender it's a strange fallacy. That people assume trans people are a new phenomenon. The vocabulary might be new but presentations of gender throughout history are much more varied and more nebulous than some pupil. Seem desperate to keep believing the volume. Dion became an international celebrity presenting as a man and then she did it again backwards and in heels. That's the story of the chevallier dion but continue listening after brief sponsor. Break to hear a little bit more about her legacy. Shopping is a lot less stressful. When you've got a firm on your side with a firm you pay overtime at walmart. Williams sonoma westbound virgo and thousands of other stores. Whether you're shopping for one big ticket item or a few wishlist purchases. Affirm is a smart and more transparent alternative to your credit card with no late fees or hidden. Charges affirmed tells you exactly how much illo and when you'll be done painting so you can say yes to the things you love today. Visit a firm dot com slash noble blood to shop. 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