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What's Nexxt!!! (Trailer)

What's Nexxt!!!

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What's Nexxt!!! (Trailer)

"Hello and welcome to the what's next podcast? Dan Smith along with Ron Thompson. And working period of the mid continent public library. On our show. Talk anything from beauty fashion and. To what it takes to be a business owner to technology. Got A lot so. Back Relax. Listen to the. Next. Episode. Please feel free to leave feedback. We love it enjoy it and we incorporated into our show so. Come back to the next want for listening to this. All right. WHAT'S NEXT QUARTER? How Casey?

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How To Provide 7 Star Service In A 2 Star Industry (with Dan Smith)

Scale The Podcast

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

How To Provide 7 Star Service In A 2 Star Industry (with Dan Smith)

"The old hi everyone daniel ramsay here the c._e._o. Of my out and the host of scale the podcast this podcast is dedicated to having conversations to unlock the exact formula and strategies these multimillion and billion dollar companies use to scale their business. You can visit me on our website at scale. The podcast dot com or listen to this podcast cast on itunes or google. Play are at rock and roll. Hey everyone daniel ramsay is here with us. I'm excited because we've got dan smith author speaker coach <hes>. We were just talking. He's doing some mad. Traveling just went went to abu dhabi w by immigrant yeah like so he's going around the world and he's here today. Our topic is how to provide seven star service in a two star industry. I'm gonna ask him to explain that in just a little bit but if you're joining yesterday <hes> number one seasons are changing. It's finally not like crazy hot. In california <hes> name like where are you are and what the temperature is. Just gonna get some interaction. One thing dan loves is being on the fly right. Dan i love being on the fly welcome to the car the back seat of his car. When you travel a lot you got like flight issue. Sometimes and traffic issues sometimes right so i was like wow i have three hours to get to this thing and all of a sudden that became twenty minutes to get to this thing so <hes> sound good cell spot bam here. We are yeah anywhere in the world. That's what's beautiful about technology right. You're on this call. Just give us a quick. Hey i'm from this place temperature. Is this just kind of get a pulse of what's going on in the country and because dan is so good on the fly from his back seat. If you have questions as we're going through any of this content. Please feel free to just kinda type. Man got moderators. Help us out and i'm excited so dan tell us like what does it mean seven stars service in a two star the industry like give us kind of a breakdown of what you're talking about so you know real estate's weird. <hes> you know a lot of states unfortunately to get a real estate state license. All you have to do is basically you know not for people watching you. Guys are cool as cool can be right but like you know you've met some of your co. Oh workers right so to get a real estate license and a lot of states <hes>. It's kinda like if you can fog amir you can get a real estate license and they're not the most professional co workers some of you awesome agents have and so because of that the level of service given as a whole in this industry steams to be subpar seems to be low when i talk about seven star. I'm talking about things like like the four seasons hotel when i'm talking about two star. I'm talking about you know motel six right and unfortunately a lot of the people in this industry give to star service in now now. Here's the good news fortunately if you don't that's what's going to separate you from everybody else and so seven star service is the huge as big as bad thing you can do probably right now to differentiate yourself among the masses of all these other people who are just i in this business who shouldn't be and the ones who are excelling offering a high level of service and so. I think that's kind of what we're talking about here. Okay that's good had to know so. If you're listening today we're gonna go through step by step how dan kind of coaches and then speaks from stage and teaches people to implement the one thing which is creating a high level of service inside of a real estate practice and and the one reason is because you can you can charge more money right. I mean mean bottom line. If you're on this webinar today were willing to <hes> not only show you and talk to you about like strategies you can implement right now now but ultimately the intention is charging sakes. You know seven percent service you know because you're basically sleep providing a higher level of service and people will pay for that. I mean that's why there's a norstroms. That's why there's a four seasons. That's why there's you know. I mean they're out there. There's two economies now the ultra rich and the blow middle class and if you wanna service you know folks that are you know high net worth individuals they want service and so that's what we're tying came out today so let's let's break it down man. How how do you do this. If you're a real estate so think about when you go to a four seasons if you've never been to a four seasons it's a pretty incredible credible experience and so and by being someone who's been there and remembering a pretty incredible experience. That's what you want your clients to think of your real estate service rhys right so they're they're way. They're dressed you roll up to a four seasons and they've got the long coats and the white gloves and they've got top hat the hell where's top patch right but it's awesome because they've got top top hats on and you're like wow this is sandy and they opened the door for you to get out of the car and they grab your bags and take him in for you in the open the door to the lobby and they take you to to a couch and a seating area and get you a drink just amazing. You're like oh. I just want to move here right or you go to a motel six to star right nothing just nothing. They don't even acknowledge your your life. So how do you provide that level of service to your clients to your buyers to your sellers. So what can you do and that's what you want to constantly constantly focusing on is. What can i do to increase to make better the client experience from their point of view from our point of view. The client experience is getting a commission. Check i get it. I get it right but for their point of view it's not i have some clients who are getting sick. I've got some clients who are getting seven. I've got a client who's getting eight by offering above and beyond levels of service when i say six seven i'm talking about percent emission right offering above and beyond level of service service to their clients. So what are the kind of things. Some of the things are doing right. We take a listing. We're usually really focused on just marketing the listing and then getting it sold right right. We're gonna we're gonna market the heck out of it. We're going to sell it and in exchange mr seller. You're gonna pay me x. Percent with commission compression that number seems becoming off a six in delving into those fives a lot more often so what are some of my clients from the lower spectrum of things they're offering. Hey i'm going to virtually ritually stage your home. Hey i'm going to have your windows washed before we come out to see we can talk about photography and videography. That's still. I think that's becoming a standard but having your windows washed having your your landscaping cleaned up <hes> prior to listening. That's a service service that saves the consumer money. They don't have to pay the window washer. They don't have to pay the eighty dollars for the landscaper to come out on a lower end spectrum. Oh thanks mr and mrs seller when you lift with me. I know one of the things is keeping your house. Clean is probably difficult for you. I am going to provide regular housekeeping being services until we sell so you don't have to worry about that. I'm gonna take off of your plate. So what does that. Cost eighty bucks once a month. That's that's regular. You can say how often that's for regular eighty dollars once a month three or four months delisting should be sold or you've really mangled your pricing right so for two hundred fifty fifty to three hundred fifty dollars. You've offered a service that will allow you to maybe get a percent more right and a percent more than five hundred thousand five thousand dollar a commission bonus that you're looking at now for two hundred fifty dollar investment sean if we go above that if we go above that some clients clients are offering staging all stage your home for six percents so that you don't have to cover that expense so they might be into it for an extra two thousand but if they're getting one percent this is a higher end home now probably right if they're getting a higher commission that could be an echo be ten twelve thousand dollar bump in commission that they're getting for that now. Here's what a lot of people are getting real mad at me right now. Here we go <music>. Hey everybody daniel ramsay here and i wanna tell you about an extraordinary offer to take action and start scaling your business right now. You know i get badeah questions about how to grow your business generate more revenue and reduce expenses and the answer is simple. It's my out desk. Virtual assistance miami my out desk offers five star virtual assistant services to thousands of business professionals across the united states and making our clients over one hundred million dollars dollars and net revenue every year our customers absolutely love our virtual assistance and i wanna give you the opportunity to learn exactly cle- why simply text the word 'em o._d. Mod two three one nine nine six and we're going to give you a free double. Oh my business strategy. Call where you work one on one with one of our business gross specialists to design an action strategy for growth and and kost savings in your business. We're going to give you over twenty growth strategy guides a market force personality indicator and important shorten business checklist and hiring guides my out desk admins can help manager office your sales. You're marketing pipeline and even help you lee generate and and follow up and during this call your learn exactly how you can put them into your business right now so again texts 'em o._d. Two two three one nine nine six and get a free double my business strategy call right now and learn how my out desk can transform transform your business to day. You're gonna get real mad at me but here here comes. If you're fronting those costs depending on what the average is in your market. You don't have to split that commission. Equally right that six percent commission doesn't have to be three and three it could be three and a quarter and two point seven five for you to help offset some of those costs that you're paying and then the eight percenters got an eight percenter or or one right and he he's doing he said hey i'll take care of everything. I'll bring in the movers for you right. We'll we'll pack. It will move it. We'll clean it. We'll keep it up across the board now when you when you go to a four seasons right they don't just say here's the keys to your room that down up the escalator up the elevator down the hall. They walk you to your room. They open the door for you. They don't make sure the fridge is stocked for you. That's one hundred fifty d._n._a. I always get confused. Whenever i go to four season i'm like why is this person walking with me. You know wait a minute. Oh yeah therefore seasons. That's what they do. One of one of the things that i would add to this is i was just in the house. I don't know a couple of weeks ago and i'm helping a dear friend actually prep her house for sale right and they have dogs and they're like we're gonna replace this carpet on the on the on the stairs and it's a really beautiful home but we don't want to replace the carpet everywhere and i'm like no really you have to replace the carpet everywhere and you know having a carpet guy having a cleaner having somebody can paint having somebody who can stage making sure you have that professional phot- photography i like clearing and i like getting an appraisal up front like these are all things things that when you do them and you're doing a listing presentation people norm the normal listing guy is like hey if i can get you the most money would you be we. Would you mind signing right here. You know that's it also fast. I took money. I'm here's my listing. Just sign right here will be on the market next week. You know and you're like wow ask versus. Here's the strategy for netting the most money by investing a little bit of time and energy in making this house awesome so that it gets the most so it sets the record in the neighborhood. I liked when i sold property to set records in the neighborhood and that's the expectation that we'd have so yeah we charge more more and depending on the depending on the competitiveness of the situation right. You might pick up. Some of those costs that the investsment tests meant. You're making and marketing those right right. That's your investment in marketing end infants a very uncompetitive situation you might just be able to pass those costs on to the seller but it gives you the you're still offering the service to to to to manage the project but maybe not a absorb the cost but it's going to depend based on the competitiveness the situation right but it gives you options options to get more listings offering now. Check this out when you go to a listening presentation and you sit down with the seller the everybody pulls out their c._n._a. Overprice don't they talk about price and then you'll be point to these really cool pictures curse that people taken to talk about the comparables in talk about the similar features and benefits of their home to other homes and then they never agree on price. Can we agree that. The sellers never agree with our price. They always want a higher price and then and then a lot of times. We tend to argue on price. We have to cave on their price sure from a service standpoint. What if you were to say to the seller mr and mrs seller. I'm pretty sure no one has done this with you most people by most i mean ninety nine point nine nine nine. Don't do this but here's what i would like to do i would like for you and i did go out together tomorrow and look at least four homes these five homes that are currently for sale that are your competition. We need to look at them together to make a decision asian on price not just sign a contract based on pictures and most agents aren't going to do that. They're not going to want to spend the time showing you home that you're not going to buy but i believe it's an important service just for us to go out together and be on the same page. Can we do that together before we make huge decision. That's tens of thousands of dollars for really pinpointing that price. Would that be okay with you. Call the service. Is that the services your time. You're the service. Is your your empathy the services you're caring now. What happens you get a second listing appointment tomorrow and if you're in a competitive situation how many of them are getting second listing appointments tomorrow so again. It's the apart from the competition and it gives you more opportunities right yeah. No i think it's great in fact i would even go for the clothes without determining price. I'd have them signed right then and there but then tomorrow we can fill in the blank. We can still in that number after we've seen them right and we can talk more and you know now that i know what you guys what right maybe i can bring a strategy so that we can net that number that you actually need and here's the thing i think you know. The old school like are are is going to go away like sign this now or i'm out of here kind of a tough close hard closes. I think those are no longer. It used to be we we we came from it. We we were for a while back in the eighties. I'm going to say we're this was a very relationship business and then a ninety s rolled around in the two thousands and we started just like chop shop when people right and coming up with systems and putting them into putting them into things that we didn't have to spend any time with them. We get a listing and then we'd have a team manage it and they never get the same person in total chaos and now. I think that we're getting back to people really wanting to have that relationship with people and so we've got to do in seven seven stars service is exactly that it's catering to them on their time with your time but in exchange range for doing it you will get paid more and you will get paid more often. You will get more listings and you'll get them at a higher commission yeah. That's what happens. Have your phone on in a car on a webinar sweet done <hes> okay so let's drive into the next point which is communication. I think you had a unique perspective on that so let's talk about in order to charge more order to get the seven stars like what has to happen on the communication side if your agent or broker and charging being six or seven or even like the guy that does like what has to happen you mean to get it or or during the transaction now during the transaction yeah. We talked about those uh-huh yeah okay. I just wanna make sure so the number one complaint that people have about their real estate agents is a never hear from their real estate agents unless they're real estate. State agent needs something right. The real estate agent only reach out when they need something otherwise the buyers and sellers are kind of in the dark and so one of the things we need to do is increase our level of communication our frequency of communication and our content of communication things things of value for the buyers and sellers not just hey. It's been three weeks. We haven't sold you need to lower your price and not just like hey spend three weeks. I finally found another home only ready to go out and see it. We need to be talking about buyer every couple of days saying hey. I've come across some stuff. I don't think it's a fit but i know what you're looking for him. Keeping my eyes peeled. You'll be the first one to know and we need to keep letting them know that. We're looking along the way we can ask. Hey has anything changed has some criteria change might open up the search just a little bit since since we're not having a lot to look at rather than just being them in the dark and with the seller you know giving them constant feedback their home get shown give him feedback right they get some. We get some activity epide- <hes> that we can track digitally what's going on. Give him some feedback staying in contact with them. All the time on a regular basis is the number one component honing. The second component is this is gonna freak you out. Pick up your phone like just every once in a while. Pick up from a client right. They call you. Leave the voice mail. You don't get back to them. You don't get back to him. 'cause you're like. I don't have anything to say. You feel kinda achey but they do. They get pissed right. They wanna talk to you. Be accessible. Pick hiccup your phone crease. The level of communication is the easiest most simplistic thing you can do to start increasing the customer service mentioned if you're like in your room at four seasons and you need a towel and you call down and no one picks up the phone right right. That's motel six. You're going to be pissed. West right right you call the fourth season yes for a towel they pick it up on the first ring and they asked what else do you need and they show up with a towel bottle of water chocolate chip cookie just because like the over avert the overdeliver on what they needed to do. We need we under deliver too much as an industry. I think we need to overdeliver right. They want to hear from us more often going to hear from us a lot more often. They want to hear a little bit more feedback. They're going to get a lot more feedback. So communication is key one. I think one of the biggest issues is is that when you are a small team and trying to take you know ten less than a week or whatever the number is. There's just not enough time in the day. Most most listings have a hundred and eighty steps from the moment you take the listening to the moment at cells that goes marketing putting online putting in social media it feeds making sure there's fires like there's literally one hundred and eighty steps and i think most teams you know regardless of the size just don't have the manpower to execute all the steps and then communicate those to the seller right and so it's real or to build that as a team so that people feel it <hes> you know one thing from a seller's perspective when you call them and just saying hey we're. We're at step eighty four right now out of one hundred and eighty. We're moving right on schedule. I want to give you some feedback on. We've had five showings. Most people like don't even pull the showing comments or don't call the agents and say what did you think of the property. Can you give me some feedback as fit for you guys those simple steps. Just it's a capacity issue. People just don't have the time they don't and that's one of the things and real estate agents by the way spent a lot of money like industry. I it's not an incredibly cheap industry you know they are and there are so many services services and so many things available for them to spend money on and systems and tools in all of this and as a whole the industry spends a lot of money but i think the industry spends. There's a lotta money in the wrong spots right. There's renting money. They're trying to figure out how to make things better but i think there's been a wrong spot. Check this out. This is where you need to spend money. This is really important. Somebody shared this with me and i'm gonna share it with you. Spend money on things that will allow you to spend more time with people right not just doing bs work if you can spend more time with people with those sellers with those buyers with those seller leads with those byerly jr 'cause you're not doing all the crap ola out there spending money on things that will take care of crap all for you so you can spend more time with people. That's where the money is because the money is in the the money is the few the money is all up. The money is in the follow up f._u. Right i know it's clever but matz if you can be spending more time following up talking to these leads talking to these people that you know talking to these people who might do something unless time doing an outcrop ola right. That's going going to be more productive more profitable more powerful for you know what i mean. Okay so you have an instance where if somebody took this advice talks about this particular age in this particular shift what what happens when somebody takes that advice and then runs with it so oh yes i had this guy <hes> one of my clients frank and it's a pretty good producer. You know doing doing probably about twenty transactions a year <hes> doing a good. Maybe about two hundred under thousand g._t._i. And one of the things man you're just a one man show right. You got it in a kind of a a part time assistant but you're so you're so oh powerful. You're so skilled when you're talking to people. Why are you trying to clean that database. Why are you worrying about all. All those emails going out yourself. Why are you creating that little marketing piece on your own right. That's that's not allowing you to spend more time with people where your skill level is your skill levels four five hundred dollars an hour when you're with a live body and you're spending your time doing some tasks that don't make any sense. You need to write get. Some sort of a you know is like oh. I can't find anybody in. My office is too small. I don't want him in here. I just like doing my own thing like then find. Dude find somebody virtual right find virtual person who can take crap all off your plate. You don't have to hire for forty fifty hours a week if you don't they just give me ten hours a week ten hours a week of you not doing just junk you can spend more time with people so we did it right and he you know he's he's been pretty successful agent so he travels get take some time off but he puts in about forty three ish work weeks a year forty three work weeks a year ten hours a week that he was able to pass off just stuff that really didn't need he still hung onto it because you know there's always that i wanna hang onto something but he hung on his own stuff but he's still got ready to ten hours worth of stuff right. Think about it ten hours worth of stuff and forty three workweeks is four hundred thirty hours. Four hundred thirty hours is like practically twelve weeks almost a whole quarter of the year. If you're talking about nine to five monday through friday forty hour workweeks ton of time he essentially actually like god like a harry potter time turner thing he back right. He got a whole fifth quarter in the year every four quarters and he got five quarters. 'cause you got the whole quarterback from subbing outcrop. All what can you do with a whole fifth quarter that you get to spend that time talking to clients. You know what happened to us production right through the roof. I mean it's just so much time that he got to reallocate actually out there in the s._u. In the follow up in the reaching out to converse aiding aiding the the the the dialogue with people his production basically double and what's cool about that story and i want to impact this because i think people heard it but there's a methodology you said his hours worth four hundred to eight hundred the reason that range is so wide one of the things that we have our clients do is is something called the sticky challenge and one of our clients told us she just takes sticky notes and you right now throughout the day. Hey what are you busy doing and and then you write down how long it took and then you put them into two piles dollar productive meaning f you work right up you're able dollar productive activities and and then non-dollar productive activities and what people find had this one client who has good friend of mine. She's a speaker like you. She travels the world. You know oh she's a million dollar gal. So she makes a lot of cash. <hes> she found that sixty seven percent of our day was in that a dollar productive activity but thirty seven percent was in non-dollar productive stuff and that's a big deal sixty forty for her and so what did we do hi. She literally hired two people and swapped it so that she spent eighty percent every day doing dollar productive stuff and twenty percent on the non dollar productive and that small small shift. She's like happier. She's making more money and the organization is growing so it's really important that you know what your dollar per hour is like like what you actually if you look at your you know your end of the year taxes look how much money you made divided by however many weeks you work in a week and then how many hours you actually work now you know you're out our you know and then get rid of all the stuff that doesn't doesn't drive revenue and pull this is the yeah it's just that practice that we encourage clients to do and every time somebody does it just one gal she done it three times in the last six months and every time she learns and so so if you're in that space where like do i need to give away some of my task. That's the best way to find out. It's just doing analysis on your time right totally talk. Don't use your taxes because i know i know you guys are lying at number eight right so don't use that one is the real number yeah. You know you make a point sixty. Four percent of all businesses either show zero income or loss but we all know. Maybe maybe you're cheating a little bit so if you are let's let's not cheap and get a real number on okay good so like just a recap number number. One a higher level service have things that sellers need when you sell a house is a very simple conversation. They need right. I mean it's not it's not a difficult. They'll ask you if you don't know just call them and say hey we're. We're the what are the things that you might need in order to get this thing soul why i don't have time for this or i need help with this or i. I don't know somebody who can do. Countertops are kitchens or whatever it is. It needs to get shifted in a house right and then sir. That's the service number one and the next one was communication summarize for us real quick well. There's so many ways we can communicate and i mean holy crap. Look at us like different parts of everywhere right you know and and we're so dialed in to just calling people in this industry for whatever reason but so one communicate way more often than you currently are too when you're communicating. Give them something. Don't make them beg for info pro offer it be proactive in through the afraid to mix up how we're communicating with people right you can videotex somebody instead of just tech somebody you can video email somebody instead of just just type in email to somebody you can video. Call somebody instead of just call somebody and you can go to the door. There is still no better contact and face to face. You guys wanna price adjustments never ever ever make a price adjustment phone. Call again face to face service. You're there to help them to offer it so do it do more often and use different kinds of of medium media pieces that are available to us now right now. That's good okay okay so we've got a couple of free gifts to give away. You have an event coming up in april of next year that you're doing a thing with us. Talk to us a little bit about that. Men will will wrap up for everybody so couple of things. We're doing a <hes>. We're doin' invent in april. It's called the champions. Real estate retreats something i do every year and we're going to have a a couple of speakers and it's just a one day intensive like because everyone fired up in january back to work right and then there's like every every seminar in the world seems to happen in july or august you know during the summer to kinda get you going again because there's that middle time. We'll start to fall by the wayside siding spring so that's why we do it. That's what we're doing in april so that's the kind of gives you a jump start to kind of like reinvigorate. You and we're real. I don't wanna talk about the same thing. We never talked about the same thing each year. Whatever is happening in the spring of two thousand nineteen that is causing people to succeed. That's going to be the topic whatever people are using to a crush it. Those are going to be the speakers and so it's real fluid and it's just a one day event and so. We have a little deal that you're doing that. We can't offer up to everybody. Also we can give away a couple of free tickets. Though if you want to get a couple of way of couple free tickets we'll figure that out <hes> no one likes to come alone alone so each time you give away ticket giveaway to write some sort of a giveaway. It's like the first three people who do this thing that you're about to say right at the first three people who do that that will get two free tickets already blown yeah so a couple things if you text five five five eight mod techs komo d two five five five eighty. You'll get entered into a raffle to get a couple of free tickets also if you're interested in hiring virtual professional because again we're all crazy busy. We're if you number one if balls are dropping if you don't feel like you have enough time in your day if you're do not get to the gym if you're not seeing your family if you're working saturdays on sundays if you wish if you want to implement some new system but you think i don't have the time and i need to sell l. more like any of those things are going through your head and you need help texts that texas will get you a free consultation and you can be like frank. This guy who doubled almost doubled from two hundred three hundred fifty in commission in a year just by hiring somebody and that's actually proven then in terms of when you need help bring somebody into your team and then you're fighting with somebody. I mean that's a big. It's a big thing it's shifted. Were ten years old. We've done the six six thousand times. Were lucky enough to meet guys like dan on when we're traveling and speaking around the world and so we know this works so give us a call find out and if you want in your dude you're coach ray a coach that is <hes> that is i speak to do so by dan smith all over the place by dan smith and all the social media platforms by dan smith dot com b. y. Not be you i. I'm not for sale by dan smith b._y._u. And smith dot com. I'm in biting smith on all things like that. Also with those tickets sure giveaway a couple but i've also sent you guys a discount code so you can give it to the people who text you that even if they don't win the raffle. There's a there's a there's a seventy five percent discount to the ticket for everybody else using your guys a special code that you'll give them when they when they text you but you can't give away ebel for free as well dan smith. You're awesome. Thank you for this time today. I love the money's few. I love that i love. I mean a few of the backseat of the trump being with us today. Dan have a great day and everybody who's watching really appreciate your time. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me <music>.

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The Grid 012 ft. Dan Smith  Pocket-Sixes

The Grid

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Grid 012 ft. Dan Smith Pocket-Sixes

"Arena feel it hit me. Welcome to the grade. I'm your host Jennifer. Shoddy and we'll be taking a thirteen by thirteen episode journey through every every possible no limit holdem in one hundred sixty nine hands in total from aces to seven days officer each episode. I'll interview another top poker player personality -ality about their hand once combos taken. It's gone so this podcast will become progressively more difficult as hands like ace. King are moved from the Grad head. Whether you spend hours poring over grids as you study poker loved listen history possible grinding cash or just interested in absurd scavenger hunts. We're GONNA. It has some the dealer of feeling it hit me. They see he's also data says hello. Everyone welcome back to agreeing with a very special guest today. Dan Smith a super high roller ogre professional who's one more than twenty seven million dollars in live over domains. This is one of the most charitable poker pros and you definitely want to look for his double up dry that happens at the end of each calendar year raises millions of dollars for some of the most effective charities charities in the world including works like the against Malaria Foundation and strong minds. I also personally know Dan from the chess world where he plays in the protest league for the Montclair on Claire Sopranos. Hey Dan thanks so much for coming on to talk about a pocket pair in a super high stakes by thanks going to be fun yeah so tell us a little bit about the hand. Where did it take place and what point of the tournament is that it was the twenty fifteen to zero in Las Vegas Super High Rollers. I are super common these days but this was at the time one of the five or ten biggest tournaments of all time and it was very early on in the poker stream in days so this was getting a ton of coverage from the very beginning. I accumulated a huge stack. I've been playing a lot with film youth so we were all all over the TV tables. Maybe a quarter of the chips at one point so I was like really in a great position to win. At this point. There were ten players left. I was second in chips. I think it was seven pay and there were eight left so seven pay eight laughed second in chips. You said there weren't a Lotta super high rollers before this. There were a hundred k. Tournaments and I would say outside of the one drop. This was the biggest tournament that had gone they had maybe had a five hundred year before maybe it was like the fifth biggest tournament that's ever run as a high stakes professional. Does it make you more nervous to play in super high roller. I think it's something that you get better with over time. This is one of the first times really playing on the camera for an extended period of time and also when you know everyone is watching for a big tournament you have investors I would say the stakes are very clearly the highest and everyone feels it comforting for people to hear because you know a lot of people the only ten engaged players. WWL soapy main. Certainly you see that the players on TV get nervous so that happens even at the higher level. I find it comforting thing to realize. Even if I feel like a little anxiety by that's tightness in my throat or my heart is beating. I know every the other people are feeling the same thing and probably to a much more severe like degree so by comparison. I find that somewhat comforting when you're in a new situation such as playing for life changing money or you're playing weighing on cameras that you're playing a new game. It's going to be stressful. So this particular hand you had pocket six is this is the great and nobody luckily nobody has taken that hand yet and and tell us about the chip stacks position your in how the hand go. Rainer Cambay raises in the cutoff. He was the third biggest stack. He is probably probably going to be raising fairly normal range of Hans here. Thank sure he's covered but on the other hand. He's in position in this tax. Were deep enough. That doesn't have to worry about somebody. WHO's putting them all in? I was in the small blind with a covering stack to success. I think it was a clear recall. I can certainly showdown a winner of opportunities to bluff heading that would be a great result usually so I called and I believe it was fate or in the big blindfolded. We went heads up to the ten eight six flush reward at this point in my career. I would have played it as a dark. Check may be outed mixing some leads at this point but checking everything I think is totally valid strategy as well. He Bets Hundred Seventy five thousand which was probably probably around forty percent of the pot and here. I decided to raise two four seventy five. I was setting up an all in on turns I could of course I be bluffing if he is over pairs taxis already in a very tough spot he ended up going all in and despite the fact that many people on the Internet. We're trying to tell tell me that I should have folded. I think it was a very clear call. Unfortunately he had a higher set but even with the I mean I still do have avenue out twice a night the back door flush which is going to come in. Maybe four percent of the time and back door straight outs or not an insignificant so guests yes. I still probably had like eight percent equity even under like the worst case scenario and you didn't get there. I did not get there. This was obviously right on the bubbles so you flat vladeck sixties coffers small blind. Is that a spot where you normally have some kind of mix strategy with success or would it be played the same. I'm today in like a regular. Mgd Not with that bubble pressure. I don't think sixes by particularly wells at three and their to the default so pretty much the way where you play the hand than would be exactly how you would play today in almost every circumstance. I don't think I wasn't randomized at the time at least not explicitly uh-huh. Maybe I would do some calling on the flop or some weeding but I think the way I played. It is the way that should we play most of the time I'm in nowadays. You do more randomize ing. If I am playing against great players more or less. All of the best players are random. Isan the secret medication yeah I meditate and I just get in touch with the universe and then it gives you an sometimes you don't have to explicitly randomize if you're just aware that sometimes you're supposed to bet and sometimes you're supposed to check but I would say there are certain things especially with preflight that are you don't really have a strong inference either way. Why is this Hanley. You picked for the grade like what about this was pivotal eight you you. Didn't you said that you you were covering stat. I was down to two and a half blind. I survived. Maybe two orbits. I showed up. I got one through but I ended up busting out. I think after this hand my perspective on poker changed a lot. I remember the next day I woke up feeling completely drained. I I didn't know what to do with myself. I had my normal cup of coffee and I still felt exhausted running through the greatly what I could do. I could have tried more caffeine. I could try right. I could go gamble. I consider going out and partying and just think drinking until I wasn't feeling uncomfortable. I ended up doing a hot. Yoga class and I kinda just like reflected on what actually happened. I bought into a poker tournament had sold action. I was playing maybe with three percent of my net worth and play in a great position to win. If I had won the tournament I would have thirteen next my investment so let's say I would have won one forty percent more dollars than I had in the world and I pay taxes on it so at the end of the day I would have had twenty five percent more money and then I thought about what would be different and I couldn't think of a single thing like I be gambling bigger that year not been fun for a short period of time and I ended up coming to the really really refreshing thought that even winning the biggest tournament of the year wouldn't have changed my life. I feel like ever since I've had a much healthier your relationship with poker and ironically that ended up being the biggest summer of my career. Did this all come to you doing hot yoga class. I meditated a a bit afterwards reflected on wow. That's a great endorsement for hot yoga. I think that it's this the physical and mental workout that it gives you is really pretty well. I think it's rated really highly at least by people who do it but I almost never take a yoga class and then afterwards feel like it was a bad idea though I haven't really been doing doing any of it this summer so maybe I should practice what I preach so to go back to the hand union have any regrets over the way that you play the hand and you mentioned people on the Internet say that you should fold the sad. was that any good players or was that just the there were some good players who. I think had feedback about not check raising but I I think the way I played it was pretty clearly or at least I was very confident is the right way. Some people forget that even just because you're playing poker ochre on a really big stage or for a lot of money the rules of poker haven't changed but when you start trying to like get above the game that's when people might make like these total disaster mistakes the end of the day we are playing not particularly deep fact poker because was the tournament and flopped on a very wet board word. The money just has to go in so people who think that you can fold spots like that. They would end up making bigger mistakes and other scenarios. If you are regularly Italy folding sets two very good players. People could just understanding your someone who could be left. Some people will be playing more timidly because of this situation and there are people who can just go on to the second level realize that it's a scary situation and because it's scary they could start playing more aggressively at the end of the day day even when they're playing super high stakes poker. It's still Fokker a strategic question. You mentioned checking Dr Jimmy Bad that you check your whole range or that. You would actually announce check in the dark. I meant it just checking my entire range. I think on such a connected did board when I have a kind of condense small blind range. It's possible some leads would make sense because I have seen you on TV Dr. That's why I ask and I think maybe it was either that at your another year in the Super High Roller Ball there was a point when I was definitely not leading the blind I would check dark and also awesome at no cost to it. If I'm never leading on any flop I have picked up live tells on people when they're react to the flop before they act my used to think that by checking dark I take away that element under speed up the game a little bit but I do think that there are some select situations where leaning can make sense so now. You're not really checking in the dark anymore. Yeah I was wondering about that because I guess checking in the dark. It actually has some strategic value doesn't it. I think there is a little bit of strategic value generally generally. It's in a situation where you suspect that the other person has like superior range. They're the one who's supposed to be betting like giving them. The action but as far fire is whether you're physically looking at the flop or not. I don't think especially matters. I'm sure that you being one of the highest stakes best tournament players the world you've also had tournaments where you busted end you haven't felt one hundred percent at pc or with your play you could cite something differently entire at and December of this year. I made a thin river raised against Daniel which was haunting me for a few days. I don't I don't know if you watched any of that stream but the way in which he was acting was unlike anything I've ever seen at the poker table it was really bizarre and and I ended up going with a read that he had a worst value hand and if I decide I have the best hand eighty percent of the time I can get away with raising Ninian's up putting me all in which was kind of jarring because then the reaction you have to decide whether your read from a moment ago was reasonable or maybe the decision was that you have to try to come to terms with made the decision was just bad and now you're in the situation where he made a bad Ed Reed and now what what do you do with the new information. I generally feel good about busting tournaments. When I think I've made a mistake it it could be painful. It's not like I'm in complete control of my emotions. I got third place in the try in super high roller this year in jail and despite the fact that cashing for one point three million dollars. There's a lot of money I was really pissed off end pretty awful move for a few hours just similar to hand in the Super High Roller Bowl where you bobble. It's just very disappointing disappointing to be on TV and not succeed even if it doesn't have a major change in your life. If you win you get emotionally invested in the tournament at that moment in time. The one point three million dollars was the worst I could have done so that became my new baseline reality and I started firing for like the three point five million dollar first prize so what about people for whom their inner tournament situation because it's a big field and maybe a shot at they're taking once or twice a year for something like like the p. s. p. c. or the W soapy main their life will change a lot. If they get lucky or unlucky they wouldn't be able to have this hot yoga. Uh Reputation that everything was so what would be the way for somebody like that to deal with after disappointing loss yeah that's hard. A lot of these situations. are much easier when your financial secure. Everyone's situation is different. You take a step back and you're able to enter a ten or twenty five thousand dollar tournament. Life is probably good on some level. I think people have all these crazy unrealistic expectations with the main event when for most people say you're one in five thousand listen to win almost never happens sears for pros because there's about eight nine thousand players in the tournament so you're giving them link about two you too entries worth the chances to win yeah and then for a super high roller. How much bigger do you think that would be one in. How many without giving it huma throttle guests? I am thousand to one twenty each year. My heart wants to say it's more likely than that and then I could maybe accumulated huge stack and apply pressure on the tables over the logical part of my brain just kind of thinks there's a cap it you can only win so often also with big fields. There's some weird math stuff stuff going on that. I don't think anyone really understands how it works. Liamine weird master compounding probabilities odds of running a stack. How do our allies change in a five hundred player field versus eight thousand they get bigger but is proportional is like magnify huge degree. I feel like everyone is just guessing. So what do you think the the most surprising thing to people would be allowed the super high roller tournament in the most surprising thing about the way that people play or the the culture. I don't know if this is surprising. I think it is very cool that I could have a good relationship with people for the most part part might only see these people at the poker table when we're competing for big money every so often. I'll get dinner with them and we have fun despite the fact that someone someone just put a beat on me the night before quarter million dollars people mostly do a good job of separating what happens at the table from their personal lives and when you plan it to him in like the WPA CBS soapy main or other large field events like EP teasing WBZ's and you play against professional poker players who aren't at the superhero level. What is like the number one thing that you think indeed do worse like let's say like the five hundred play oversight? The twentieth best is probably pretty worse across the board. The pre flop ranges aren't as precise their bet sizing. It's pretty hard to generalize. Bet Sizing is a very complicated thing and some people sometimes you play with a media regular. It's pretty clear they don't understand how best sizing is supposed to work in terms of exploits mostly theory if someone is a tier three player and they're playing against me. They should be playing their best theoretical game if you're not a great player and you're trying to exploit me. She's not gonNA work out. If you're playing against me you should be playing close to your best strategy and I if I am seeing people's best strategies. They are often not very good in is it that they're sizing is just bad across the board on certain types of flops not geometric. What's sometimes times you just see a bad size. That should never be used in any situation. There is a cost to reopening the action and I think people are sometimes not aware of that so you're saying in a situation for instance where you're in position and you have a small that size and sometimes we just never exist. It doesn't really benefit you in any way and it allows the other person to raise you. Sometimes see that kind of thing from professionals who aren't at the top tier and how would you recommend those players. Get better at that skill. I think a thing that I did well. I wasn't one of the best players when I tried to mimic the way the best players play. If you see Stephen should we do something. It's very different from what you are doing. Try to consider why because he's probably giving it a lot of thought I think with my chest background that came naturally to me where players at all all levels would mimic the best players and then in poker at least many years ago people be playing very differently from the way great players would play in twenty eleven. I started having a breakthrough with my success at the tables and some of it I think was a conscious decision that I was is. GonNa start trying to play more like Phil Ivey so I stopped holding in the big blind and I stopped pulled into three bats and I started betting bigger across the board like closer to Potter over bedding rivers and I started having a lot more success. That's pretty amazing. It seems so simple fake to start playing more like he'll ivy and like start playing more like Magnus Carlsen Maybe it's different because I am so much better at poker but I would find the idea of playing like a chess player much more challenging yeah because in Chas Chas the tree is just so much faster because you have to play like Magnus Carlsen for so many moves. There's no thing of candidate moves in poker. I think I think I guess maybe you can turn crazy hand into a bluff entrust. Sometimes these players make a move. I haven't considered and I feel like in poker. That shouldn't really happen where you're at least at the point where you could know what the options are but maybe just a very good poker player. 'em Mediocre occur chess player and I just can't see clearly enough in chess. What is the strongest players in the world are playing an opening like Berlin. which may not be as effective for or an amateur player for those of you listening? You don't play chess. Berlin is kind of a very dry opening that you can play for with black and you're much more likely to get a drawl. If if you played really well and you have a really well prepared and sometimes it could even take an aggressive player like area Kasporov off balance and you can win with would that be analogous to somebody just kind of showing coming up and seeing stevie over bet and not executing it correctly. I mean couldn't there be kind of a corollary there. I think you make a good point and I would change what I'm saying to only people who are playing at a relatively high level even at my level in chess a realization I had. I don't need to play the GT openings. I'm not going to be able to replicate with computer does so if you're playing ten twenty five cent with your friends and you're not using the perfect rangers. It's GONNA GONNA be okay. I'm certainly not going to play the Berlin anytime soon so I maybe it's a little bit of a contradiction there but I guess in poker. You're forced in the same situation. Everyone has folded to them on the button and then they race and you might see Stevie fold king five off suit when you would have raised it a situation that you will exactly in that I think is more like okay. We're on move nine of the Berlin and an place the Berlin a well. Let's say Fabiano plays. Ta You could be in the exact situation when in chess I thank avoiding like playing your opening to your strength is more appropriate. Is there an example of like a bet size or a thing in poker that people do you immediately realize that they haven't really we study very much small bets in position and that's not to say they don't have their place that they can be used. Sometimes I think it's somewhat common to to see a bet that misused I mentioned in the Inter that you're applying for the protest league team. The MONTCLAIR Sopranos you had a very glorious victory this year against four-time US champion Alexander Shaw one of the most creative players in the United States. I'm a huge fan of Shaba as we call him so that's pretty awesome. What is the feeling L. Ing of happiness comparing doing poker and doing while in Chasse this is going to sound ridiculous but I was feeling more like hike and emotional after that game then I am after cashing medium tournament for six figures. I I won fifty thousand dollars yesterday at the area and I didn't really feel anything. It's just another day at the office. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes it rains when I played that game of chess. I was real uh-huh hyped so there's no pokharel aid that I've been doing this for so long. If you make the stakes big enough I think I still would get very excited but I kind of you gambling as a drug in an after you've been doing it for so long like the hit required to get high like playing playing a fifteen hundred dollar event of the world series. Won't do it anymore. You know the concept for this podcast. The grid is partly based on Chasse as we're talking about an eight by board versus a thirteen by thirteen board as as a chess player. I mean we both know that. Visualization is probably the number one thing in chess to become a great player to be able to visualize accurately and also will visualize the right things so is there any poker corollary to that the ability to visualize ranges. I have really really bad spatial awareness so so maybe that's why I'm not a better chess player poker such big game. It's really hard to pinpoint certain things. Emotional control will is pretty huge and there's a shortage of elite players who are hotheads so. I think that is pretty important. I guess maintaining your composure is going to allow you to execute the strategy that you worked on these tournaments shot clocks so then you're thirty seconds you have to like come come up with the size of the pod and then think about the analogous situation and then like think about how you're applying your strategy and sometimes there's the solver breezy strategy that might have five bet sizes and he's WANNA simplify down to one or two so you have to be cool headed enough to do that in a short amount of time. That sounds really any difficult. Poker is a very hard game. I very regularly feel lost when I'm playing when a situation comes up I legitimately we don't know what to do hand yesterday. When I got put all in on the river for two point seven x pop on the end and I had no idea a what frequency supposed to bluff catch the river with I had a pair and fluster blocker on a paired board flush comes in and I thought it could have been a a pure fold or also could imagine a situation where my hand the blocker effects are quite good night thirty seconds no idea what to do. What did you do I folded in. Did you look it up later using his alter. It was a beautiful. Did you find out from friends. Who knew this better than you or did you look it up on piles pile. My flop but size was inaccurate. Though I bet too big I had theory that there's so many different mental qualities to make a good player in each single. One of them is like pretty easy easy but finding all of them in the same person is like pretty rare. Can you give a few examples like the ability to be patient the ability to not get emotional after losing a big pie the ability to not get over-excited when you're doing really well seems like there's like ten of them in the not to feel under confident when you played one hand slightly badly not to get overconfident when you're running over the table they all seem so simple and people who have them all naturally. It seems easy sometimes to them. I don't think it's easy to anyone in the even certain great players make mistakes. Some people have like near photographic memory of ability to like remember the pre flop charts. I don't and I will have hands. I'll just raise a hand is supposed supposed to be folded or I'll call the big blind. That's I've looked up before. That isn't a call. Everyone at every level makes mistakes. Magnus Carlsen meeks makes a bad move. Let's say one in every twenty five moves. I think a similar thing happens in poker. Being aware of your strengths is totally valid thing and if you make Thomas H is not the end of the world you just gotTa keep playing and those mistakes that you mentioned are pretty small mistake right like in terms of EV calling Jackie plows instead instead of Jack Nine blocks or something yeah. It's not that expensive. Sometimes you can make a much bigger mistake nick when they say you are one hundred eighty big blinds deep and you're starting to like four bet for stacks with a hand. That's just not good enough so you have ace ace king off suit and a tie player free bets you out of the blinds. There are times when I would say for about getting it in with just a complete disaster but it's hard because there are other players who if you're not forgetting them. You're leaving money on the table and that's something that comes up in chess to that. The size of the mistake is so important right that you know in chess were always looking at the computer output where we go from plus two to plus half. That's like really bad right whereas in poker it seems like people you're more focused on the binary lake. Whether it was wrong it was right. I think people are aware of some mistakes. Don't really matter and some mistakes are just like completely absolutely unforgivable intrigue antic. I guess sometimes the binary thing like even if you raise eight five suit and under the gun would the cost of that mistake in isolation's probably not that bad if you raise eight five suited probably raising also all the other hands that are better than that unless it was like a one off thing where the person is upset and did it but it's probably indicative of a the bigger problem. There's some debate about the main event and how much people can open tournament with so many emitters what would be the largest amount that you would it open at a table in the main event. I mean there are situations when I would raise any to on the button which is a pretty big deviation. I wouldn't do anything too crazy raising like under the gun even if people are still playing somewhat tight the probability of eight people having decent hand still exist against raising seven to offset right on the button so you mentioned emotional control and poker and I want to hear more about your one of the organization. That's important to you strong minds right. That's I'm trying to help women who are depressed in Uganda and can you tell us more about how you got involved in that and what they do for many years. I've been looking for a charity thirty that is involved in the mental health space the charities that I've selected over the years I believe of all been cost-efficient like dollar for dollar. Doing a lot of good looking game for charity in the mental. Health space is tricky because the brain is expensive to work on and hard to get results. If you imagine like being in a major city getting somebody therapy it would be very very expensive generally strong minds. I liked the idea of putting together women in these therapy sessions they had data on it. I also liked supporting a little bit of a smaller organization. If their budget is in the two to three million range I can raise an amount of that feels very real compared to a charity that might have one hundred million dollars when I'm a drop in the the bucket from a personal satisfaction level I enjoy being a little bit more involved and given that I've had my own issues with mental health over the years I around it like closer to my heart and I want to help people in the same situation and this is very cost effective because it's group therapies so you mentioned that you pay one hundred dollars and and how much group therapy twelve sixty to ninety minute sessions and it is very often someone who took place in it that that ends up leading the next one World Health Organization or whatever it took a three letter acronym for free. It's called if you read what they have to say on ways to treat depression and anxiety. A strong winds is doing exactly what they recommend in. What have you found. Most effective hasn't been one on one or was it more Hyogo. What was the number one infective thing for you for for me. Meditation has been on days. I don't meditate. I notice a very stark difference. I had one of the more intense experiences of my life. The first time I did a guided meditation and I've been meditating almost every day since seven or eight years later I would say meditation exercise are unbelievable tools and is is generally when I'm taking care of myself. I notice like a very very stark difference. Is there a higher incidence of depression in poker players and in the general population lesion but seems very very likely. I think you deal with more turmoil. More isolation also could imagine some of the traits in an depressed people might also be traced to lead them to spend many hours alone study on their computer. I think my own bouts with depression have been involved in making me such a great player. I would say it was like a multi year thing where I didn't realize that was in how you're supposed to feel 'cause it was just the way that I felt but I thought it was. It was very useful in allowing me to like grind through downswings. When something would go wrong I kind of I would just wouldn't feel anything either way I would just flatlined and I think also so having overcome then Kinda just believe anything is possible see think depression and could be an ingredient to success in poker because being able to grapple with the vicissitudes of depression allow you to deal with the ups and down to poker. This is a little bit of a cop out but I believe that almost anything it could be turned into a positive if he is if you frame it the right way and the way that you respond to and mental health and depression do you also experience like upswings. Where're uh you you feel super. Happy sometimes or is it mostly just downswings mentally I would say a bit more even keeled than most a little hard to rattle in both directions options. I still go through like several months like multiple month periods where I wake up and I would say like deep down. I truly believe that it's going to be a wonderful day and sometimes I go through anxious or depressed periods where I wake up and it's like but nowadays the good days really outnumber. The bad days six is in in general. How do they rank on your favorite hands. I cannot think of any very large hands that one with sixes but I'm certainly never going to forget get his hand against Rainer. I'll say twenty-six Abraham Yeah. That's what I was looking for. I was looking at me just like randomly pick out a number. Three is my favorite numbers so maybe I should have figured that one but let seems a little bit high given how many sweet student hands are yeah and also I mean. It sounds like you have a poor memory for open in a way. Maybe it's a positive memory because you had this revelation afterwards adds. I am very happy with where I am in my life and who knows what results would have changed what I mean in that also ended up being my best summer ever poker wise. I I am all around like pretty comfortable with where I am and like my relationship with poker so I like rain a lot so good for him. Well how do we can. I'll more about oh you. Dan Twitter would be the best way to reach me at Dan Smith Hala. I've website dense mythology dot com you can email me but I would say twitter you the best way great well. Thank you so much Dan for coming to talk to me about this hand sixes and follow him on Dance Myth Hala. 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A Law Degree and a Question Mark with Dr. Dan Smith (DHS48)

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A Law Degree and a Question Mark with Dr. Dan Smith (DHS48)

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So we're kind of in the Post Kovic shutdown era kind but not really because we're still they're still a lot of. Pp Talk, there's still a lot of okay. My my children are back to school person right now in a lot of like. In my area. Like there's a ton of different school systems that aren't doing that at all or they're starting to do that or they're doing a hybrid in our schools allowed for back to school fulltime, and we literally just got what it's. It's. Early, Ishak Tober we just got the email saying, oh, well, there's some there's a bunch positive cases were. So I get the feeling like now is now is the time when they start shutting down and. So. And I also think if anyone's paying attention our governor in Michigan made the news last night. Apparently, there was a a militia group that was trying to kidnap and kill our governor. So for the record, I wasn't real happy with our governors choices, but I never made any plans to kidnapper killer I just WanNa put that out there. So so I don't get lumped in with the militia types. Kidnap kidnapping a governor feels like. It doesn't feel like I, mean feels like twenty two it's like Pete Twenty twenty yet is. The modern US feels like something that you're doing like. Trains and horses and buggies and stuff what. Do you think long seventy two. It's like something. It's like something that after the civil war like some hold out of the the rebels going up. I don't know some northern state and doing it seems it seems that Cockamamie but apparently Michigan has heavy militia. Presence and thus. I, guess that was the play I'm not that. The other thing is if they had been able to execute it what then. You, get the governor and then. Like. You become super infamous criminals. Great. probably doesn't change in fact it probably I mean literally she looks like I. Think it's publicity that's working for her right right now. So I don't know I'm not sure that that was the choice. I? May maybe making better arguments in but what have you so? What I was saying though is covert is coveted still making our lives crazy and ridiculous and in I'm not the first person to wonder. If you. If, you could turn back the dials of time. Knowing what you know now. What would you do if you couldn't do dentistry or weren't gonNA do dentistry and I'm not necessarily saying that just in a like a better Kovic situation although I'm okay with hearing about that too. But like what what would Dan be looking at as a as a vocation if dentistry wasn't. Be underwhelmed by this but my my undergrad degrees in political science. Okay. And so like took the L. set and I was getting ready to go to law school in then took a class called. Administrative Law in I realized Oh crafts this. This is this is really what law is and. Then, I decided to do other things. So I mean maybe lawyer I never was the fastest ever was the skinniest than ever was the strongest I can hit a golf ball well. Noor. Forty. Five percent of the time, which is not the level you need to be at actually make money at that. Level you need to be at to lose a lot of golf balls and get paid for that. So yeah, I'M GONNA go lawyer, but that's only because. That's kind of where I was trending when I was like twenty twenty one. Okay. So. I I've lawyer what's interesting about lawyer is that? I mean lawyers can that can be a really good a really good living in also for Cova just for the record my brother-in-law's a lawyer and he has he has not changed his workload to speak of, but he doesn't go into the office like no one's going into the office, which is soul-crushing because they have a beautiful office. It's like this very cool fancy new building and everything like that, and now he's staying home. And actually I think right now he's actually not even able to go and do court stuff because he too is quarantining coping this. It's it's funny because it feels like we're post covert shutdown except not really like lots of people are still on a daily basis dealing with this stuff you know our president for instance, you know like it's it's kind of it's. Some part it feels like it's gone away in on some part. It's not so so why is what you're thinking and did you have any plans really going to be like the next matlock? Own, Poplin suit because that's part of the requirements of being a southern gentleman and you have to end that and seersucker and then white Oxford Bucks. Working on the Colonel Sanders like beer it's not. It wouldn't be white enough yet but that'd be good. Just some big thing when you do have have some big black I. Could do that I could. Work on my ass that's thirteen secret herbs and spices. It is. So I and he he does look like matlock actually that's kind of he does look like he could be a lawyer, a lawyer or chicken sales on the other. Could be either so I mean what's funny is lawyers don't actually necessarily practiced law now. It's SORTA Cova proof right and you get all sorts of you can get into like real estate you can get into business stuff. Unite you and I have a similar background though because both our fathers are dentists. So I. I think I was faded to go this route regardless of what how much how much pressure was there on you from from your dad to be not not from my dad but I also have to uncle Uncles were laying well, one of them was one of them just loves to talk about dentistry all the time it's literally about The other one doesn't even really want to be a dentist. He wants to be a botanist and they'll spend more time outside growing things. Like he'll see. He'll come into the office with like the way I these figs this morning and I was like I've never eaten a fig he goes. Well, these are any describes like what the variety is and all that's really worried he he's in. His okay. Okay. He owns land. He owns a couple of different John Deere's like well okay. The also the thing that no one talks about as being a dentist is an awesome way to do other absolutely because it's a decent income and if you can get your debt under control, you can do all kinds of crazy hobbies and you know. All kinds of stuff you can buy airplanes not planes you can. You can. You can run a horse farm and a at a loss for years on end. I wouldn't own anything about I've heard I've heard you could do that. I can subsidize probably four weddings in the future. That is that is that something? You're probably GONNA be. That's a whole other punk. Yeah I. Think we have to. We'll do a separate for that. So but yeah, like law as you realize law being a lawyer gives you a lot of INS to to all kinds of stuff like you don't have to be necessarily. Practicing Law I. I. Don't I never thought of the law until I realized. Okay so I have a friend good friend who who is a dentist and he he? He really hates the administration of Dentistry. He really hates the regulation he really hates. And he's decided that if if he can't do dentistry anymore, he will go back to law school and he's he's Fifty years old and he's going back and he's going. He's going to sue Dennis. Because because it's so because it's so damn easy. And it isn't that he really has animus against dentist. He actually has animus against this the state board of his. State. But like the story is his point, is that no one's records no matter how good your records are there never good enough to to stand up to. They never pass muster. You need like the minutes of the NFC board dentistry meetings. It is just like six pages of people being cited because records are insufficient for whatever the question was. So the question is, can you records be insufficient because you because you just don't do a good job or can you records insufficient because you do a great job and they still have to find something because you're in front of the board so you know my vote is if that's what it's going to be, you might as well have insufficient wreckage might as well just give it to them. Well. I feel like. There's a lot of time saved. There's a lot of time save more than likely. It'll end up being a slap on the wrist and a fine you can. You can take a records keeping course listen to me. Listeners do not take this as a recommendation as A. Don't do. No is not life advice. I don't have any actual experience with this. For members of the Michigan State. Board my records are infallibly just you know I don't. You don't need to look I'm all good here. I'm great here. So I'll second that motion. My records are impeccable. There beyond belief so clean they squeak. They do they do Fresh. So. So he wants to be a lawyer to sue any dentist for anything because he knows that their records will not be good enough and I'm not sure that he's wrong. It's a little bit sour grapes on the dental profession in general I'll say that there's a lot of settlement money in this. Utah, and that's where you make. You don't actually court yet is no no one really wants. To do metal sweat until you write a check right sweat till you write the check baby. That's that's where I think you have just created a tagline for another ambulance chaser. Yeah. That's right. Except it's a different kind of milli-. It's an ambulance with like a dental hand piece on the side like so screw this whole medical malpractice practicing go just go after people with an even if dentist haven't done anything wrong it just their records aren't good enough until we can go after them for that I feel like I feel like there's something there. This is this is a future business enterprise for us. We're GONNA we're an open enfranchise this out. And it also, it would prove that we're the worst people on Earth actually to if we actually people already think that. There's It's not that much of a straight. I don't listen I tell patients all the time. You can't hurt me. I. Don't have feelings. Because dentist. So I I lost all my feelings alone and I'm dead inside. So it's fine. What would what would you do if you had not become the Dennis par excellence that you are knowing knowing what I know now I probably would have looked into broadcasting on some level because shocked by this turn of seem to ice seem to like I gotta say though I don't know that like radio broadcasting would be my thing I don't know. Anything about it. All I know about is is producing and creating you know podcasts and I will say that over the years I've learned quite a lot I feel like it'd be a good resource but there are so many people that have like podcast and businesses about helping other people start podcast I would never be so presumptuous as to do that however. You do enough of an you realize that. It could have some value. I. Don't know I would probably I probably be I'd probably be in broadcasting somewhere because I because I like it I actually like I like the editing and sound design stuff I'm Kinda. I, don't know why like I got into it accidentally and found out that I kinda like it so. that. That has some interest to me. I don't know that it would pay like being a dentist would. I don't have any. Talent. That I could. Be a musician can be professional athlete I couldn't and so. I feel like a Lotta Times law school is sort of the other. It's just the other. What you want to be in law school is the other for people who know that they. They're biology degree isn't going to do for them and it's laws for NBA. Yeah. An Mba oftentimes is also just another couple years before going to law school to share your. Letters behind her name. Yeah. You get the letters and then you decide that I can't do this without a degree and thus lot of school and get other letters step to question. Mark. Step Three Prophet. No I agree the question mark is the thing that worries me I'm I'm down with the letters I'm down with the profits the question mark not so much. You know when Howard Howard for an came out. You remember the thirty day NBA. Probably, before your time. Pretty are but I mean like goes on I was on dental town when I was still in dental school. I learned I learned I'm a professional lurker like I've got seventy five posts or something all time on dental town but professional lurker for awhile man I was all in that. You're in listening to listening to Howard on the thirty day MBA and all this stuff. I was convinced that I needed an MBA why I didn't know what I would get but I'm like, I'm pretty sure I need that. I've come to realize that even if I had an MBA I would still have the. Personality faults that make dentistry hard for me. So NBA or not I wouldn't wouldn't make me less less of a softie would make me less of a hero dynasty wouldn't make me less of the person that you know the the false that I in dentistry are I, don't have the stones to do more heavy surgical stuff and I and I I don't have the I have too much heart and I try and do too much of the patient so that that wouldn't change with an MBA nor a law degree. In fact, it would make. It would make me a terrible business person who would take make me a terrible lawyer because I I'm I'm not heartless working. Killer Instinct I. I do not have the killer instinct I. Think Dan Smith has the killer instinct. Do not have. I think of the killer instinct. Just just coming off you the killer in that's a good place to be. All Right Dan. Thank you very much for coming on shorts. We appreciate it. Dan would be lawyer towns like more or someone with a law degree I don't know if. That's your answer is that would have a law degree. What happens after that? Then, you get to the question marks and. To find out question Mark Yep I. Think we have the title for this episode of Law Degree and question more very good. Doctor Dan Smith thanks Donald.

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How to effectively raise capital for your organization | Ep. 129

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How to effectively raise capital for your organization | Ep. 129

"The guiding principle that I've always followed whether it was working in the poor profit sector or a national nonprofit organization and that simply this that funds flow to good ideas presented in a compelling way by a trusted source. Welcome to another episode of the Roi podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley. School of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside Associate Dean Phil Powell as you know. Our shows mission is to help organizations make better business decisions especially in this tough time with the corona virus. So what does that mean for you? Well that means. We are going to work hard to make sure that you get the utmost up-to-date resources for your leadership for your organizations and tips and tricks so that way you can use all the knowledge available to help your business grow and for you to become a better leader so if you have a question that you're wrestling with as an organizational leader if you'd like to ask some of our faculty some questions or you simply know of great guest for our show citizen email. Roi pod that's Roi Peo- deep at Dot Edu okay so in organizations as whether you're an entrepreneur whether you're in the education nonprofit sector or you're in public service raising and obtaining capital is a top priority if you want to get a great star or you want to get that next venture going so that's GonNa be our shows topic today is how do you gain the capital you need. And how do you not only find the right people to align yourself with but how do you even have those conversations? How do you start those conversations? How what strategy do you put into making sure that both visions lineup so that both people feel like they got something out of this joining us? Today is the CEO and president of the foundation. Dan Smith Dan. Welcome to the PODCAST. Mad It's great to be here and deemed fail. Thank you for For inviting me always an honor. So let's start with this concept. I mean we have. It's a scary thing to ask people for Money. Ask organizations for money. I mean maybe there are some people who are just naturally gifted and just are good at at raising capital but for myself. And I'm sure a lot of other leaders. This is a this is a topic that can be tough. It can be stressful. You Know Wendy you ask how you ask and so before we get into all that I would love to get to know you a little bit. You know when and how you kind of approach things like. What's your full loss of fee when it comes to raising funds and finding those right people sure that's a great question to get started on. I think you know one of the first things that and and I guess the guiding principle that I've always followed whether it was working in the for profit sector or now in the fundraising side of nonprofit organization is is a real simple principle that everybody should be able to write down and posted above their desk and follow it in. It's simply this that funds flow or resources if you will flow to good ideas presented in a compelling way by a trusted source and we can unpack that as we go through our conversation but I think that that's really the key thing it begins with an idea. You had mentioned that sometimes raising money or even if you're in the for profit area going to a bank or going to investors is kind of scary you have to start out recognizing that people are in in the financial areas whether it's a philanthropist. That wants to to give money or or whether it's a bank or investors in your organization your idea. Generally you find. The people are looking for ways to help you know in in the case of a bank there in the business of selling you money they want to lend you money But you've got to come to the table with the right ideas in presented well and you have to have credibility in the same. I've found with fundraising in the nonprofit sector with university in particular. Is that a lot of donors And I I should preface this by the way I was terrified when I got into this when I was first Dean when when Phil and I worked together back when I had that role It was not something that I was comfortable with and it took me a long time to finally realized there are a lot of people out there that want to help. They want to help the university. It gives them great psychic gratification. There's there's always gotta be a benefit in it for the person who's giving you the money in the for profit sector. It might be a return on their investment apropos for the show's title But in the nonprofit sector we find a lot or donors that that warrant to want to you know support the university for a for a variety of reasons. And maybe we can get into that. I don't want to Preempt any of your questions coming out by But you know I guess that's it is recognized. People do want to step up and get involved with their resources. And I think that's an interesting point you make because I feel like for the nonprofit sector. You're you're not getting a actual physical return like you would with the for profit you know you're GONNA GET CAPITAL GAINS. You're going to get Interest maybe if it's a it's a some sort of loan back but in the nonprofit and even public sector you're really kind of getting like a feeling or like a a sense of you know doing something right Or being a part of something bigger so I think even more so A lot of these principles are going to have a lot more weight Than than they would if it was just a for profit transaction absolutely You know it's interesting but let's take this Matt. You you're hitting all the right ideas. Let's generalize this to both the for profit and non for profit sector for a moment so everybody's looking to gain something out of it and we find. I think a lot of nonprofits will find this. There are two donors out there. There's one group that is kind of a a donor. They just WANNA help you. They appreciate what you're doing and they'll give you a little bit of money to help you on your way there. See other type of donor. That's what we call a philanthropist. They are in this to make a difference in society and take the university. Now I'M GONNA go back to that. First principle funds flow to good ideas presented in a compelling way by a trusted source. But let's deal with hearts one two good ideas presented a compelling way whether it's a for profit or not for profit sector you have to be able to have a good idea that's tailored to the interests of the person on the other side of the table. One of the biggest mistakes I see people make in business and I'll stay with the nonprofit for minute is is that the the nonprofit leaders sit across the table and they are so wound up in their own head about the good. They're doing it could be changing the environment Helping kids get through school on a scholarship. Whatever whatever it is in they just show up in throw up. They just a sit across the table and start talking about environmental change or talking about student debt while serious it is and so forth. And you haven't really taken the time to understand. What's the motivation of the person across the table from you so that you can kind of tailor the discussion a little bit? And that's true again in the in the for profit sector also if you're talking to an investor what's what's their motivation for supporting your your idea. Let's say your business proposition. In the university sector for example real good example universities have pioneered and perfected talking to themselves about themselves and I see a lot of business leaders doing that as well so I really see it in the nonprofit sector. You should support us just because you know you should support the university for that Gloria Bowl. Lie You in what we did for you when you were a student and as opposed to saying you know what listening to the donor. Some donors cared deeply about student debt. Student successes let's say and you listen to that. End You tailor. A message say around a scholarship to help with student debt but there are a lot of donors out there that that don't quite know what they're firmly interested in but they wanna make a difference in the world in for them. We might Taylor. That saint. That message around scholarships that listen. You Know Matt. You're you're creating the next nurses next doctor's the next entrepreneurs who helped their communities grow your creating the next leaders in business and government. That's what you're doing when you give a funds for a scholarship and we make it on that large your that larger social economic impact level that a lot of donors hadn't thought about like. Wow I am making a difference to the world. And that's speaking in their language not ours. Dad Aw inspirational and someone who started in the fundraising area in my Dean's role. It's very helpful. And it's it's congratulations on a great bicentennial campaign. Obviously what we're hearing today led to is as has time-tested and one of the biggest things that most impressed me with the bicentennial campaign under your leadership was this imagine Sort of these. Imagine message right. There was the imagine magazine and to me. This was quintessential Dan Smith. And it's it's a living example of what you're talking about so can you? Can you take us into the genesis of the imagine campaign for our listeners? And how fit into the bigger goals of the bicentennial campaign because we're talking about a campaign has raised billions billions of dollars. Yes we've just fell thank you we. You're being very kind. By the way all glory goes to the donors We just sort of try to like I said. Bring a good message in and see what happens but But thank you for the kind words. So the the imagine magazine that we use as a major promotional idea And then the title the term or the I guess you call. The brand of the campaign itself is called for all but we use the imagine theme throughout the notion of for all. Is that every gift matters. There's no such thing as a small gift and fail. You and I have been in higher ed for years. We've seen two hundred dollars change a life you know. And we're you know we've seen it happen. We live in that world every day. There's lots of headline gifts. You know. the fifty sixty million dollar thirty million. Twenty million these eye-popping gifts. That are unbelievable. Were so grateful for them. But we've had almost three hundred thousand a little over three hundred thousand donors contribute to this campaign and I think the way we did it is we. We reinforce the idea of every day every dollar matters and it can change the world it can change. Lives THE IMAGINE IDEA. We found to be very compelling for people and that's that gets back to that basic principle good ideas presented in a compelling way fill 'em we just found that people like to imagine they like to imagine what impact they can have in the world equal fundamentally good and this really. This really caught hold. We gave lots of examples of how supportive all different levels in. This gets to the issue that third point that I made about compelling good ideas compelling presentation but by trusted source while people trust things entrust institutions if you can show them evidence in you know as you know both of you know. Indiana University changes lives every day. We can parade out example after example after example of how philanthropic support makes a huge difference in. That's one of the things that I'm finding. Donors are looking for is. Show me the impact my gift and they want to imagine what impact they're going to have before they write the check and we've been able to do that very effectively. I think by showing concrete examples and it's really worked out well and so I wanna I wanNA start moving into now the the par aware okay. We're getting ready to Interact with potential donor potential investor. We have a meeting set up. And now it's time for us to get into the pitching mode where we're GONNA pitch. This is what you said the good idea. And we need to present it in a compelling way so talk about What strategy that you start to embrace as you prepare to sit down or before you sit down with an individual or an organization that helps you get ready to create a compelling presentation sure No it's a great. It's a great point and I don't think this can be emphasized enough that there's no two organizations there's no to investors there's no to donors that are the same. I know. That's that's a pretty cliche thing to say but I go back to this thing of tailoring the message knowing knowing who you're sitting across the table from and knowing what their their aspirations and motivations are in generally in the case of donors philanthropist. We're not going to ask for money right out of the gate. We we really do need to develop a relationship. Some trust a lot of these Mack coal on a lot of these are these major gifts. That come up are years in the making They you have to be patient. But it's what I would call a deliberate patients in a lot of. It is just trying to understand each other. Sometimes if you're trying to raise a lot of money if somebody's able to do that and is indicated that they're interested we and they have. It may be supported. The university much in the past. We're perfectly comfortable with relatively modest gifts in end I initially and then you can prove to them. How YOU STUART THAT GIFT. How you steward their support. How you used of support you might if it's a scholarship. You might have them meet their students that they gave money to And really create a bond with with the university through the student that they're supporting so there's a variety of techniques. But I guess the key principle is no clues across the table from Union. Im- what their what their dreams are. We often talk about life stories in. This is a metaphor that has really worked very very well and it goes something like this that look the university has been around a long time. It's a story in progress. It's a story of lives that have been changed for for decades and your life story across the table and talking to a donor and I'll I'll ask him to tell me about your life history. What were the big moments? What were the things? What do you hope to accomplish with your life in your life story and you can get them to start to see how when they give. This is the punch line if you will mad that That has really worked very well. Sincere it's not contrived. Is that when you support students or Faculty Research University? You are sharing part of your life story. You are helping another person. Students for your scholarships let's say right their life story. You BECOME A CO author. Literally you your life stories now mangle and you're a Wyatt behind the scenes co author with that student of their life story. It's almost like having a child stepchild and this really resonates to a Lotta people in for a lot of people. There are other folks who really are motivated just economically. They just don't WanNa see kids graduating with that. They they just see this as as a problem for the whole economy and they're willing to focus on that side. The recent high like that about student Dad is. These are two different types of motives. One wants to change society by by helping young people of an CO author in their life story. It's an emotional thing to them. Another person may be very clinical berry economic about it and they say you know what I just think. This is bad when students graduate with that. They can't they postpone marriage. They postponed having children. They postponed buying houses and cars. Our economy is is compromised by this. They're very clinical in so. Now let's go back to the principal. When you're sitting across the table from someone you really need to understand what approach you have to take and presenting your idea compelling that good ideas presented in a compelling way so I want to highlight something you said because I think that's really important. Is this sense that this is not a one conversation. Here comes the big check. Move onto the next person you know as someone who worked in sales. I can say that I've heard a lot of knows you know when you're trying to pitch a product and I'm sure in fundraising you probably even hear more nos than you might even hear on a sales floor trying to sell something because there's a lot of times in these transactions there's no immediate return for the person who's running their capital or fronting the cash to help out your cause or invest in your business. So I think a a question that I have is with these expectations. How do you set healthy expectations even before you get into the conversation? And what should those look like when you're dealing with donors or investors or any myriad of people who want to? You're trying to get money from sure. I'd say it's a great. It's a great question so I think I think one of the key things I was thinking about this as you were talking of trying to understand. I mean you're going to get noah lot but it's patients but it's also trying to understand in the conversation not just why somebody is interested in giving but why wouldn't they and many times so for example one of the basic one of the most basic things one of the most basic reasons is. They don't think that they're gift may be enough to make a difference and we. We have examples to help them through that. The general principle here is understanding. Not only why somebody wants to give but also how to get them over any kind of hurdles of Gosh. I don't know if now is the time if I can afford it. If we can do this you know. So there's both sides of it the helping them with the means to donate as well as Understanding the motivation Dan. Building on that in bringing this more to. What is the reality today? Which is the economy in freefall? You and I were both at the Kelley School in leading things during the last last time we experienced this as we move into what will be. It'll be a different type of recession but it will be painful at least for the next six to twelve months. What do you? What is your advice? How does how does the ask strategy? How do you adapt that to now? A trough in the economy where donors have suddenly lost twenty thirty percent of their asset directly assets or everybody's now sort of fearful in clammy and they want to do is you know they're not thinking about a gift they might have been thinking about. I go a week ago. What our listeners. Whether they're looking to raise money for nonprofit or even raising money for for capital investment four profit given your experience. What's your advice every? Move into these early early days. What will be a painful twenty? Twenty Two thousand twenty one as you might guess. That's about the topic of hour and were on the phone with with all my colleagues talking about this exact thing is. How do we approach people? Do we approach them? And I think we're we're looking at a two phase strategy Phil Phase one is. Let's first and foremost get out and make sure that people why we can't get out face-to-face so we're doing it over zoom right now but one day. We'll be able to do this in person. I'm sure we'll get back to some semblance of normalcy but We are now in the mode of saying. Thank you to people We have all hands on DAG. Making phone calls writing letters and letting people know that we appreciate what they've done for the university your best source. So here's here's a key point again. A key principle your best source of future giving is from prior givers who may have been probably have the means to do more but It's keeping close in keeping in touch with them and we're not doing in a lot of asking for money at the moment we're just continuing to to build those relationships and that's what I mean. You have to be patient if you will but face to get into thinking because I your points dead on. I don't think people's you know 401k's or state lands are going to recover right away. This was a pretty deep trough and we will get back but it's not GonNa be tomorrow morning and so one of the ways to do this. I think is to think about a state giving to think about like I said. Give some real estate gifts a real property that that don't cost the the donor anything. They don't have to write a check today because people are very nervous when you think about a state gifts people are nervous about that. What if my estate does recover? Well that's okay. I mean it's not okay. We wanted to but we often talk about a percentage of an estate gifted to the university as opposed to a dollar amount on some sir so there's various ways to to get to that point but right now. I don't think I can emphasize it enough with with our friends in the audience for this recording. Today that it's so important to not you. WanNa be there for your donors when the chips are down not just when things are going well and this is how you build trust. Also I mean that's that third component good ideas compelling story presented by a trusted source. We BUILD TRUST WITH PEOPLE. That's the mode. We're in right now at I. You would not that. We didn't have trust but work continuing to build that trust in deep in those relationships by just calling people seeing. They're doing not asking for a dime right now. In a lot of times donors will let you know when they're ready to go get and start talking to you about doing something but That's kind of how we're approaching it now. Fill it's really patients. One more thing if you switch over to the for profit sector just from moment. This is really important to realize we. I was talking to somebody in the Financial Services. Market the other day banker. They're having trouble selling money. I mean there's not a housing. His house sales have slowed. Down to a trickle. Construction is slowing down and so forth so for those in the in the audience here. That may be hearing this. If you're an entrepreneur you have good ideas and so forth. The risk may be a little bit higher but recognize that banks. Don't make any money of their money's just sitting there. They've got to get it out into the community in. Get the gears turning in Matt to your First Point G. It's Kinda scary. Not just to ask for money but they ask for it from a bang. A lot of people go into a bank or an investment institution to to ask for funds. And you have to realize they have a vested interest in trying to give you the money or sell you the money. The sales price is the interest rate. Or right now. Interest rates are decent and demand is down so they're sitting there trying to figure out how to how to help you and so be confident would be my message when you go into investment relationship with a bank or a financial institution because they they actually have a vested interest in trying to help you. Finally as we begin to wrap up you know. Thank you for the amazing three principles of you know having a good idea presented in a in a compelling way and by a trusted source. I think those are huge takeaways For audience. Soon as you've worked your way to the presentations and you know you have these ongoing meetings trusses built. How do you close the deal? How do you bring it home? Because I think a lot of times especially in sales and I'm sure giving you know there's that moment where you were the deals gotta be closed and there's a closing process. So how does that closing process look for? You were now one of the. It's it's it's the you know I was GonNa say the hundred dollar question but it's oftentimes the millions of dollars question. You know what we have taught our fundraisers and what somebody years ago taught me. It's called a soft aunts and the soft ask is simply this Matt. Thank you so much for all the time you've given me in really appreciate it It seems like you're really kind of interested in in doing something Would you mind if I sent you a proposal to review and generally somebody say sure? I think I'm ready to look. A formal proposal is say. Thank you and just so that we don't embarrass each other. We've talked a little bit about the amount so now you have approval to give them a proposal. You're not asking for anything. Just we look at it and the second piece is will just so you know. I don't embarrass myself or anybody here. Are We thinking Matt? Are You thinking about you? Know fifty thousand dollars. You've talked about a scholarship. May Be fifty thousand fifty thousand five hundred thousand five million ha ha ha you laugh and they say you know what maybe something in the X. Radio Joe. Show me something between a hundred and a hundred and fifty. What would that do to help the university or help students? And then that's your green light to really put together a nice proposal. You understand it has to be custom tailored to that donor reflecting back on what you've learned from your personalized is again the principal personalized. But you don't sit there and say so you give us fifty thousand dollars you give us a hundred thousand. It's not at that blunt it's would you consider a proposal? Well it's hard to say. No you know sure. I'll consider it. I'll look at it and now you put it together really nice. Make personal tug at the heartstrings. If that's the type of donor. Talk about impact. If that's the type of donor you're dealing with Taylor it to them not a one-size-fits-all and generally good things happen. Dan Smith just want to thank you so much for being our guest here on the Roi. Podcast this is Dan Smith the president and CEO of the Foundation. This has been another episode of the Roi podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley. School of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside Associate Dean Phil Powell. Where our mission is to help organizations make better business decisions? We'll see you next week

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The Grid 024 ft. Trevor Savage  Six-Nine Suited

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The Grid 024 ft. Trevor Savage Six-Nine Suited

"Data affiliated hit me. Welcome to the grade. I'm your host Jennifer Shoddy and we'll be taking thirteen thirteen episode journey through every every possible no limit holdem in one hundred sixty nine has in total from aces to seven days officer each episode interview. Another top poker player personality -ality about their hand WANNA combos taken. It's gone so this podcast will become progressively more difficult as hands like ace. King are moved from the head head whether you spend hours poring over grids as you study poker loved. Listen the had history pause while branding cash or just interested in absurd scavenger hunts. We're GONNA the has some cards dealer of hit me. They see me. See me. Also an indirect data Virginia. Hello everyone and welcome back the created. Today I'm with Trevor Savage a poker player who has weathered the storms of this game to succeed as a pro for well over a decade Trevor's actually the host of one of my favorite blogs raising raising the nuts which features his kids his three kids providing commentary and acting skills to craft hilarious gems that merged comedy and poker strategy. He has a podcast is with his wife. Jodie who's a nutritionist and health coach which is also called raising the nuts and he grows by at Trae Momey on twitter and today he's GonNa take us all the way back in two thousand thirteen for a hand with six nine suited yesterday. Please New Jersey sites online but has recently been making the trip to Philly plan poker stars. PA PA so he's my very first grade. Gas Live and mindfully studio. Welcome her thank you so much. I'm really really grateful to be on this. PODCAST it's one of my favorite podcasts. out there so I I love the different range of guests that you've had so far and it's I'm just really excited to be on. Thank you. We'll tell a little bit about this hand. Six nine suited at what point in in your poker career. Did it come up and I know it took place in Las Vegas at the Rio. But where are you at in terms of bad poker player at that point so this hand is a little tuck little bit crazy to take you into the behind the scenes of it. There's two important things to talk about. First of all is about eight years into my poker career but it was about two years into you playing live poker once again so I played online prior to black Friday and then went to parks to play every day so I was becoming much more of alive player once again and I kinda gone through a bunch of different things in my life as far as playing online and live so I was in a very feel oriented part of my game. I trusted that my intuition would take me through through my decision making process. So that's the first part of it. So this is a very not theory based play at all that took place in the second part is i. Was You know my dad My kids were almost five and a miss three at the time and we decided that this year we would drive to Las Vegas for the for the world series so dry from Right outside of Philadelphia all the way to Vegas so we got in the car drove to Chicago than to Denver and Las Vegas over five days stretch and this. This hand took place about two or three days into the trip. Once we got to Las Vegas because I had just driven and I drove the entire way my wife. Jody does not like the drive so I drove the entire way throughout that the time and I was dealing with migraines all these other issues while I was driving so when I first got to Vegas I just decided to start playing and I grinded a lot in those first few days and I was just worn out. So that goes. That's the backstory behind. This hand takes place at the Rio a five ten no limit game about five or six hours into the session. So the the way the game was structured there were two weaker players in the game. who were both on my left? And then the rest of the players were relatively competent pretty aggressive players. The two players limped in the player. The hijack was a young European guy. WHO's very aggressive? And he limps behind the small buying completes the big bind with six nine suited six nine of diamonds and check check thought comes down Isa diamonds diamonds seven and I decide to lead out for fifty dollars size of the pot now. It's important to remember here that I have to try to put myself back back in two thousand thirteen million when thinking about this because if I was trying to analyze this hand from my curve perspective. I don't think I could do it properly. Because we're just out in the mean streets there two thousand thirteen clicking clicking buttons and doing things I leave for fifty dollars to players to my left fold and the aggressive player in the hijack makes the call the small faults when he when he calls you know. I don't think it has many strong hands. Because I would assume that he would be opening to isolate the weaker players with pretty much all hands so when he calls I think he has like a ten x I hand or some of the weaker draws the turns off suit four and I decided to continue betting you know. Put some pressure on the weaker parts of his his range. One hundred fifteen dollars and he. He raises to three hundred and fifty dollars. See that one hundred fifteen into Hella into one fifty OK. He raises the three fifty and immediately. My spidey sense is going off. That he's kind of full of it just really hard for them to have many good hands here. I think the best possible handicapped would maybe be seven four of diamonds when I check in the big blind can easily have hands like pockets. Lavigne's as seven have an offshoot aced hand even that I would not necessarily be raising out of big line in his spot so I got input into three bet on the turn. And that's something you don't really even see that much. These days at all is putting putting in a three bat out of position on the turn. No we started the handout. Twenty six hundred dollars deep so two hundred sixty big deep. So there's a lot of rooms of November. I put in three to eight fifty and he makes the call the river. It is an offshoot ace and now I think if I was in today's shoes I would probably consider betting here because I'm in a small sizing because it's not great because I block a bunch of the hand I wanted to have either. Pretty much has a full house where he has nothing and so if I can get pretty small in game at the time I didn't know what to do I didn't have a plan for this situation. You know this two thousand thirteen so you're kind of just out there clicking buttons figuring it out as you go you're supposed to make a dime end. Yeah I was just making flush take me so I thought for a while and just decided. Okay I'm just GONNA give up and I check and it gets over to him and he starts to think for a long time a really long time so now as he's thinking I'm I'm obviously paying attention to what he's doing and I'm very into libraries and and feel filling out my opponents. He thinks very long time and then jams for seventeen hundred seventeen eighteen hundred into into eighteen fifty. It was somewhere around there and so I didn't just not muck because I'm I'm like as he was thinking about what to do. I felt like he was bluffing. He he was just trying to decide whether he wanted to pull the trigger bluffing. But the problem is I have nine high nine six high at that tonight in the back of my mind though I thought if I do make this call here. There's a good chance he's just going to toss it in the mock if he has nine nine eight or one of those hands. I don't know if that's because I saw him bluff and mock earlier in the session or if that was just what I assumed would happen. I do not beat that. Many hands hands like eight five suited hands like eight six. which would be a gut chat on the flop at that turn double gutter? I think would be the ones. That'd be be most likely that I would be and then hand like three five suit or two five suited. I think those hands are more likely to be in his range given that he lint behind in this spot. That hands like say ace four. I don't I didn't think he'd be the type of limp in as four offshoot type hand in the spot and then his his suited. Today's is I thought he'd raise most of them. There's only one combination of today's now at the time. I wasn't sitting there thinking about all these combination tours and things like that. I was just thinking to myself. Is this guy bluffing. Let me look at this guy and see if he's bluffing. As I mentioned earlier as far as fuel play goes I made a decision right around two thousand twelve that I would always go with my gut I would trust my intuition. I'd played enough hands. I'd have had enough data to to recognize that. If I trusted my God I was GonNa make good decisions and then if I falling back if I if I didn't have a good read on the situation good intuition than I could fall back on some theoretical things and things like that so after a while I decided to make the call. He's not that into the MUCK DOC and I turn my hand over and he laughed a little bit older general to my right and he whispered to me I think he he might have folded the best hand. I don't know nobody nobody else said a thing at the table were paying attention. They weren't paying attention. We just went on to the next hand and we moved on from there so it was aced aced hand seven with two diamonds for and and then another as in the river. And you're calling nine high. And why did you show the hat. I think I can't remember at the time if you had to show to win the pot or not i. I'm not sure if that was the rule or I I'm guessing it was. I definitely didn't show just to like be proud of my call or anything like that because I think that's like a negative free role to your self esteem. You feel like you're boosting yourself up but I don't think that actually is the case and I wasn't like trying to send a message to anybody I had to be that I had to show the hand because I know at least nowadays if I don't have to show the hand I'd just just put it in the muck no matter what I call with. So I'm guessing I had to show it to win the pot but you get some extra elements of story and in your blog where you talk about five of your most memorable poker hands you include with this one in there and you mentioned that leader you talk to the gentleman about this hand and he said that he actually did have worse than you. I had eight five of diamonds. Do you believe him now. Because I feel like maybe to protect yourself from feeling really bad you could potentially like lie. And that's why I think he could line. That's for sure. But given that his reaction when I showed in my hand and he just kind of laughed a bit. It wasn't one of those nervous last where you like. Oh I just mucked the winter the genuine. That's pretty funny. He called me with nine high type. Things things like heart-stopping like oh my gosh or like I miss clicked or something like that certain feeling where your heart just drops exactly. I want to say. I don't think this was a good call me. Maybe I did at the time looking back on it. I mean when you go through theory. It's got to be a terrible call. Given my hand blocks a lot of hands that I want him to have there's very few combinations the nation's of hands that he could be bluffing with and you know kind of goes back when you're talking about in theory goes back to what I said about what I thought about was pre flop range and just is also hard to come up up with a lot of good value. Hands that you'd have in the spot so all those things considered I think it was more one of those things where I was so tired and I was dealing with the Migraines and I might've been into the flow of the game clearly. I felt like he was bluffing. I made the call but I think it was more one of those things where I was just exhausted and a good result came out of it but it might not have been the the best decision in the long run. If you know what I mean totally I mean the funny thing about being tired is that I guess you're maybe more connected to your base instincts which include calling calling out of curiosity for a good story. Probably everybody has their own tendencies. They are like some people are exhausted. They might be more likely to fold Right eight Dell. Maybe that that plays into the decision as well while I have noticed that in tournaments I always do better and torments. If I'm not rested it's just become this in some patients. I guess in that you need to have in a long long tournament that if I'm not well rested I tend to make better decisions because I'm not trying to force things because I mostly a cash game player so so when I get into a tournament I guess I have that I if I'm not playing my best mindset. I have the mindset of just trying to accumulate as many ships as possible very quickly early on tournament whereas if I'm not interested I might be more patient in the early going. That's fascinating I mean. I I see what you're saying there that a nine handed tournament. If you're all like juked up on coffee he's got a great workout on. You WanNa like affect the destiny of the game in some ways. It's probably more an argument for not sleeping. You WanNA sleep. You need to get to sleep in its. I'm going to be play better if I do sleep. I know that so it's more of an argument for patients. And what is GonNa get you in the best mindset to be patient throughout the tournament and you you for me. It seems like not getting sleep allows me to be patient but I don't think that's the good way to get there. I mean so I think I think going for tea and being Exercising all those things are going to help you. One of the things that I- reasons I created this podcast was kind of like merge like the idea of story with the idea of theory as you know. Creativity and poker theory aren't necessarily these opposites like people sometimes think seem to think that you know. Poker theory is robotic and what interests interest me about. You is a popular blogger is that is there some argument for calling with a hand like that because it makes such a frigging great story and what the Currency Frenzy of story. Well one it does create an amazing story and the best part about it is. If you're wrong you never have to tell it right. I mean if you're wrong you know you can't tell it might be enjoyable for people to know and you know when you're when you're a blogger you certainly want to be authentic and you want to be transparent but you can certainly omit some certain certain things that maybe didn't turn out to a great story but but I think the great thing about poker is that there's just a story created in every single hand and that's why I love her so much and you don't have to go out of your way to create a story and I see this in my blog because when I meet up game this week down at Maryland live and some of the things that happened to be in poker and to be able to get them on camera and and say that this is what happened and it's just I I think it's just the most magical thing as far as creating content goes because it's just a story told in every single hand and if you're able to get that footage on camera you know. Poker is a game of people and being able to sit at a table with eight other people. They're all going to come in with all these different biases and different stories. And they're GonNa China the way they live their life. You're going to see it on the table to and to be able to put that into a into a hand history on Youtube Channel. I think is pretty cool. So you're saying like you don't really need to forcet because stories are just going to be generated organically especially for something like Youtube where you're distilling the most interesting parts of of pretty long session. Yeah for sure and the the one thing about me too is especially in these meet up Games is I go in. I play just about every hand. And so you get into a lot of different situations when that happens when you're and they're playing every hand there's GonNa be all kinds of things that come up in different patterns that emerge and the game because it's a mathematical game. It creates these these scenarios that seem to somehow pop over and over again. You know you'll have a table. I remember in Maine about this year. We had it for some reason. Pockets getting dealt out and this is something that people who are casual. You'll players game love pocket AIDS pockets the hot hand and then they were flopping every time and then it comes up and then it happens for the fifth time in a row and you say how how did how did that just happen and to be able obviously. Couldn't those on on camera because it was during the main event but to be able to get things like that on camera I think is really interesting. Yeah that is interesting. I mean I know that you are a very strong grinder. Arming you are a winning player for many years before he started blogging logging. A year ago. You made your living by playing poker both live and online. How do you be a winning player when you're V. pipping one hundred percent is it possible ball? And how does it feel to be for that to be the case. Yeah so if you're playing with very tough opponents it's very impossible playing especially doing it online in a say lower stakes game. You have to find the right limit and the right mix of players but I did it for a while doing a play every hand challenge on Poker Stars New Jersey where I was streaming and playing one hundred seven hands. I could folded. There was a three bet before it got to me. A lot of it is due to the fact that players are right in that it was buying a twenty five cent fifty cents. So that's kind of right in between the limits of where people just see every flop and then there's some people who are actually still trying to play for a living in that at at that steak so the people who are trying to play for living playing a lot of tables and they're just ignore it they see my screen name. They know that I play higher. Six of this kind of ignoring the fact that I'm paying a hundred percent of hands and then the other people are just going to be the weaker players who I can get involved with so the certainly the field has to be very weak and the other problem is the rake at those levels. It's really hard to beat the rake in that spot but I think if there were no rake involved and I could get into certain situations I think that I could show a profit in those As far as like in the live arena. You really have to mix you have to understand how to get involved off prefab so for a lot of at at certain tables certain one two games down in Atlantic city. Let's say you can just raise pre flop and win the blinds much if you go during the day on a Wednesday because there are people that are there to hang out and socialize. And they they don't want to be at those tables where someone's raised in every hand at other tables you have to try to minimize your losses by just limping with the weaker party. Hand because if you're going to see the flop six ways and you have eight three off suit you don't want to put ten dollars in at but nobody else is GonNa race. So you're just going to see the flop for two dollars and lose two hours and hand most of the time or you know win the eight dollars. That's out there when everybody shows no aggression it so it's takes a certain amount certain type of game. I couldn't definitely not go into some game where people are trying where they're trying and paying attention to exploit you know a lot of these games that I'm doing and everyone else's playing hundred percent of hands too it's just trying to minimize losses and then next is gains. Obviously when you hit a big hand so really interesting I mean it sounds like a kind of thing where are you were. You have two goals you want to win money or not lose money but you also want to meet this challenge and have a really fun. Time and kind of broaden your perspective the poker by playing hands that you would never normally play. Let's playing heads up so the place that I got this idea from initially was a card player article from probably thirteen years ago and has written by Dan on the ground. You and he. He said that once a month he would have these party days he would go into his game and he said he would just play every hand and it would put them in a bunch of different situations that he wasn't used to. I had to figure out how to navigate out there. You have to think differently about the game and so I used to do this all the time I would go to lower stakes and I would say I'M GONNA play hundred hands and try to learn from it. What can I get out of this? I'm not usually in the situation. What does this person's range look like? Where can I bluff on? What boards and things like that and that's where it came from and I just always enjoyed it and it's I mean it's just more fun to play more hands right? I mean you just get into action more. It creates a better environment for everybody else in the game and I think especially at these games that we do the atmosphere that is able not to be created by playing so many hands. It's unlike any other experience that you'll have in poker. I love these meet up games to to connect with people who watch your content and then they get to play parts of the and that's what I'm there for. They're going to be like if you're at my table and a meet up game we're going to be getting into some parts are going to be having to make some decisions against me and people you know they want to. They want to win pods against me. He's going to go out of their way to do so so interesting because to me. It sounds like you're you have this kind of stipulation in in the beginning of the hand pre flop that you're gonNA play every head but then post slop. You're reverting to playing as well as you can and being super competitive without the right read absolutely. I mean I'm I'm going to be making prop obviously making negative. Ev decisions when you're playing playing every hand but post op. I'm going to be making the best possible decision I can. The thing about is. I'M GONNA have to bluff way more right because I'm playing all these hands so I'm going to have to be bluffing more. I'm going to have to value bet thinner but you have to recognize pain thresholds and people you know if you can recognize specials then you can get away with bluffing way way way more and that allows you to play these more hands. Yeah and are there exceptions like supposed. There's like a four bed in front of you. Have some plans where you won't play in that game right exactly. Actually the exceptions are that I'm allowed to fold if there is a three bet in front of me. This is if I'm doing the play every hand challenge when I do the play every challenge. It's usually going to be a once you game in the casino where there's very little threat anyway. So I am playlist hands. My goal is to raise money for charity. So I've donate any winnings that I win in these challenges to charity when I'm playing in the meet up games I don't I'm not playing that strict. Play every hand challengeable. So it's more I'm just gonNA probably be playing. It depends on table but I'll probably be playing seventy percent plus of hands handsome allowed to fold pre flop. It just depends on the situation because the meet up games you're GONNA have better players for sure on average than your normal one to game the casino and I would just tossing money if I were to try to play every hand. Seventy percent plus hands is a lot of hands. What gets into that into that? Like the bubble like like what's the number seven the seventy percent hand they well. The thing is is not seventy percent hands necessarily if it folds to me probably in the hijack. I'm just raising raising blind. So we're we're going one hundred percent from the hijack on earlier position you know if it suited were in there for sure obviously the off suit variety we probably worse-off suit Jack six suit that we're getting in there with I'm guessing okay. So of course it's an aggregate of seventy percent right exactly so under the gun. You might be like forty percent right. Okay A. and Button to hijack although undergoing we're straddling every time so okay so the next under the gun. I guess sorry actually under the Gun. We're double straddling I'm undergone. If there's other stratas on were triple straddling so at least at my table is I'm always advocating for us to straddle if we're going to put double straddles on. Let's do it. That's we're trying to the action going. TH-THIS MEET UP Games. That sounds like so much fun. Do other people in these made up games. Also play like Almost every hand or is it more of a Mac. It's really interesting to see the different table dynamics in the meet up games and I was actually talking to my wife. Jody about this at the game because there are certain tables where you get a mix of people who are just there to play with the bloggers and they're normally one two players they're buying in for two hundred or three hundred in their folding tons of hands. Then you get other guys that are in there who are there to have a good time in gamble it up and you get these tables tables. Where the first table I was at the other night we had multiple five? The game was three five three five ten twenty forty hands and then the next day I went to was five walks in a row. Oh so it's a mix is and that type of table. The reason that there's walks is because when I sit down and bet type table I can judge the table dynamics and at that point I thought that there would be more aggressive than it actually was and then it turned out there. We're going to be five walks because I guess the players felt like they were so good and they just didn't want to involve so obviously after that point I started opening every freehand instead But it's really big big mix of people from all different stakes. No people who normally higher come down and play in these games because there's a lot of recreational uh-huh players that are coming out to play in them totally turtlenecks buyers and what. What charity do you donate to All different ones. We try to focus on mental health charities or charities usually it depends on what's going on in my life at the time so I'm actually right now going to be trying to partner or partnered with With Dance Mintz Doubled Dr. There's a charity called strong minds that helps mental health in Africa women in Africa right. Yeah he I think is gonna I think Yeah Yeah and he was on our podcast cast and he talked a little bit about that as well. That sounds fantastic and of course one of the points of doubled up drive. Is that anything you raise match by Dan Smith and company and that Really just isn't awesome way to make your in contributions because they doubled exactly. It's it's just a it's an amazing concept and to be able to to match the nation is is is pretty awesome so speaking Bentoel back in two thousand thirteen. What space were you in mental health? Wise 'cause I know you've made a lot of you've strides in that arena. And that's one of the major topics of your podcast with your wife. Yes so that's another reason. I thought this was good to have on on this podcast because that happened in two thousand thirteen happened in the middle part of the year but at the end of the ear December thirtieth of two thousand thirteen. I was living my normal life. Online poker just started New Jersey. Easy things were good. Felt like I had the two kids we had a third on the way. Felt like everything was good. And then all of a sudden I started dealing with a lot of anxiety in my chest and in my I started thinking all kinds of crazy thoughts about dying and things like that and it all culminated on this night in December where I had a really bad panic panic attack at the time. I didn't panic attack of time. I thought I was having a heart attack and I thought I was going to die. Went over to the emergency room. I was down Atlantic City with my wife out to dinner whenever the emergency room still thought I was having a heart attack. Thought I was GonNa die was breathing heavily and they eventually gave me some out of an and I calmed down. Woke up the next day. They told me I had a panic attack. I worked with felt like I was in a car accident and that day has really changed my life in a crazy way when I woke up that next they I I took it from the poker player perspective. You know there's something wrong here. I got to figure out what's wrong. What was that I needed to do to fix this? Just like if you identify. Identify a leak in your poker game. You take it that way. I didn't know what to do. You know it's. I never thought that this was something that would that would affect me. I really I'm Outward social person I felt like I had a great life at the time. Why why could I be feeling this type of emotion like why would this bothering so over the course of the next six to eight months I continued to have panic attacks? I had I they gave me out of an in case I was having panic. Attacks put me on Paxil. which is an antidepressant? That was terrible. Terrible bad decision didn't work out well for me. I was still trying to search for for an answer. You know I just wanted this anxiety to go away. And now exiled he looks different to everyone. The way it looked to me was I I would get a feeling in my body or thought in my head that would think about death where I just think I'm GonNa die and what's going to happen to my family like all these other things now that automatically right now right now. I'm going to die right now at the time. I didn't recognize that this is then. You're when you get those thoughts and feelings and you don't know how to address them your fight or flight kicks on on and then when that kicks on things spiral out of control very quickly. When you're dealing with with a panic attack you begin to not be able to think logically and then all of these things happen from there you know everybody's using it looks different but that's exactly how mine looked so? I went to different doctors. I tried all these different things and ultimately I found meditation. My wife had heard talk by Andy Puddicombe. who started the APP head space and I listened to the talk? I read the book and I started using the APP and finding meditation allowed allowed me to see the thoughts that would pop up in my head in those moments or the feelings of my body and recognized that they were happening rather than trying to push them away. So what would happen. Was this in the attack. There starts with come up and I think to myself. Oh it's gotTa go away. This is not happening to me. Why is this happening right now? I gotTa push away. Get rid of it esther meditation. I realized I needed just recognize that there. There give them the space to be there and then go back to what I'm doing and that seems so simple to say but it takes a lot of practice to get there and then along with that with meditation Asian. I worked heavily on my diet with jody. I may drive exercising. Getting enough sleep. No all the normal things that you hear about to to be healthy. I I recognize that those are the things that I need to do to keep my anxiety in check. So that's what I've been doing for the last six years. Basically is I've been on this journey of figuring out my own brain and what makes it work the way that it does. And how can I make it work optimally now. This helps obviously poker too because you need to be a great mental space in order to achieve things in poker. But that's kind of where I'm at now and it's important. This is something for anybody out there who is struggling with anxiety or depression or those things. It's important warranted. Recognize that it doesn't just go away. It doesn't ever go away so I didn't get rid of my anxiety by doing these things. It's always there in the background somewhere. It's just about understanding your body and understanding your mind and putting yourself in in a position to be able to handle when certain things come up and recognize things for what they are. So that's been a big part of my life for the last six years and I really at the time I thought. Why did this happen to me? Why would I have such a bad panic attack? And why May and and at first I looked at such a negative thing. You know. There's eight months. We're really brutal for me where there's many times I couldn't leave the house. There's many events it's that I was out at that. I had to leave I. I didn't play many live towards at all for the first two or three years because anytime I would get into a big spot in the tournament I would start to feel those you get that adrenaline flowing in a tournament and when I would feel that it would kick fighter flight and then I go down that path again so but it turned out that that advent taking place was one of the best things happening and being able to have the podcast and the youtube channel and to spread the things that talk about the things that I've done to help myself with other people has been just an amazing experience. I mean I've is very powerful that you're not able to encourage other people because poker in some ways is a hotbed for anxiety. Depression to be unchecked. Just because I think partly because so male dominated so sometimes not as comfortable talking about their problems and feelings secondly Just the nature of the game involving a lot of weird sleep patterns that can disrupt your Lum's and travel which also can disrupt your rhythms uh-huh so I think poker is definitely an you hear a lot of people talking about now which is great especially when it comes from the top players that you realize that even there are struggling with it. I'd win Jason Koon and people that talk about it although it's funny because I want your perspective on something like I always have mixed feelings when like the best players in the game super successful enrich talk about their depression and anxiety. Because I do think it's great because it shows you that you can succeed but in some ways like Garrett I I think also has talked about it but I also feel like it is position where it's easier to talk about it because you don't probably don't have have a boss in Not necessarily you're at the planning your poker career where you can stick yourself whereas a lot of people maybe mid stakes low stakes like it could be that they don't want to talk about these things because maybe they feel like they're not going to get back into the main event if they admit that they have these like depressive spells so I'm interested in why why we think it's inspiring. I also think it's important to recognize that when it comes from a position of privilege or different dynamics at play I totally get what you're saying and I've I never really thought about it from that perspective. It's interesting to think about it and it's tough because like you said if it's lower six player that maybe somebody might not want to that invest in them if they think they're going through these problems is but I think it's important to recognize that everyone's going through something right and there's all different I i. It's it's easy to say that as somebody who may have had success listen things like that but I think if anything I would hope that it would encourage maybe a lowest aches player to to say okay. These guys seem to have it all and they're still dealing with stuff stuff and they're willing to talk about things that they're dealing with. They're not invincible. They're not superman. I can talk about this problem. And then maybe if I can address my issues and get to a good head space. Then maybe I can can get to where they're at nine have the same type of success that they've had and this is something that I see a lot with people especially celebrities and athletes were in Philadelphia Brandon Brooks. WHO's as an offensive lineman for? The Eagles just had an anxiety attack in a game a couple of weeks ago and he talked about it openly. And you see some of the comments that people leave on say on facebook and things like that where like why could this guy have an anxiety attack. He's got all this money. He's got fame. He's a celebrity. It affects everyone and and for somebody like him to talk about that openly openly. I think just encourages the discussion more. So I definitely get what you're saying as far as coming from a place of privilege and how it's easier for should be easier for people to open up. I guess because they have success. They don't have anybody to answer to. But I think also you know when you're on that that that pedestal it can be harder to open up about these things because you know if people see you as this invincible figure and then you're showing vulnerability and weakness perceived weakness. You know for me. I think if I see somebody like Brandon Brooks open up about it. I think as a place of strength same thing with with I talked about this a lot on our podcast with therapy with people who seek therapy a lot of times people avoid seeking therapy. Because they think it's saying that they're weak or that there's a problem or whatever if somebody reaches out to me and says you know I just. I just checked therapy for the first time. I think that's amazing. That's that's a sign of strength linked to me that you're able to recognize that. Maybe there's something that can help you and you can do it. Regardless of what the stigma. Maybe that's a really good plan and I do agree with you that it's also brave save for top players to come out because let's face it with these super high or low is everybody has staked in some acid. He even the people who are quite read. I mean how many people really have a a million dollars to put into one tournament with that in mind. It's brave but I just always think it's important to keep in mind the different dynamics of class money any race and all these things that can make it more difficult for certain people. And that's why I think it's really cool that one of the charities supporting strong minds. Because obviously we're we're looking at giving mental health to people who might have easy access to it and it might not be part of their culture their family. I mean so much which of your relationship with doctors. I think that is why. It's great to kind of see. A cross pollinate industry like poker for sure the toughest I think for me about mental health. I don't have the answers. I I think that the best way to move forward in society today to try to address the problem is just to start the discussion Russian. And so that's what we aim to do on the podcast to get people talking and to to recognize that we can be there for people to reach out to us at any time and that's is one of my favorite things about the platform that we've created is that I have an email address that people can just email me anytime. They want or an instagram page. And they can reach out to me and people people have and the reason why I was able to to see that this was a thing was I wrote a blog post about a year after my anxiety attack and I wrote about experience I hadn't talked to any- my friends. I'm Doug to anybody about what I was going through. Only my wife and so I wrote this blog posts and I told my whole story and then I got just an outpouring of people sending me messages and I didn't say anything about send me a message about your story. They just all said thank you so much for sharing I dealt with the same thing and have never told anybody and to receive all messages and then to be able to talk to them about the things that I had done. You know. I'm not a doctor but I've gone through this experience. I can share firsthand. I tell them all the time you know. This might not work for you. What I've done? But just opening the discussion and recognizing that there are some things that you can do to get yourself into a good place and you're not alone you you know because such a power and just knowing that you're not alone in this and then it can happen to somebody who is a very social outgoing person who fraud intensive purposes has. How's everything that they need in life? Yeah I mean it's really incredible when you find out some of the people who struggle and there's just so incredibly extroverted and charismatic. Like for instance. I listen to your first podcast about your daughter Cam and I was really shocked because you're just like she's like the star of youtube videos. She's so hilarious. She steals the camera anytime she's on screen and just think like. Oh wow this girl is just like blasts with his awesome personality and you know he's going to have a really great life Scott she seems to have it all and then you see that actually there is a flip side where she's had all these struggles for sure situation. Let's see when she here's I guess. Two or three years old. We started noticing a big change in her where she would just go into some almost like a blackout for forty five minutes where she would go into a rage and violent rage and yelling and screaming. And we didn't know what to do we. We went everywhere. We went to all different doctors and for the most part you know she was a normal kid up until that point and we're not sure what exactly flip the switch and ultimately after years of very rough days and you know that that's something that being able to play poker for a living and then also be a dad to have to juggle those things. It's a question I get a lot is how do you. How do you handle being a dad and also playing poker for a living to me? It's not too different than other jobs. But because you use your mind so much in poker you have to be able to separate the two so when I'm playing poker. I'm playing poker and went on a dad. I'm fully there being that. If I take the sin- situations like what was happening with her into my poker game then I'm going to be in a bad shape shape So those years were were tougher but ultimately it took a long time but we all do. We found that she had an intolerance to gluten. And we took the gluten away there was just a massive difference in her and I couldn't believe it and I still kind of don't believe it I'm like how could it be gluten that causes but there's been such a huge change in her behavior since then and so that's been been really good. She still struggles with some things. We found out also that she had hearing loss in one ear through all these other interesting things that came up at the time but she's just such a better place it's now than she was when we went through all that so depression anxiety mental issues are obviously very difficult. But I I do find that. They're often people who have just incredibly incredible mental and creative abilities that seem like somehow the good is somewhat connected to the bad in some ways maybe even if only for the fact that it gives you rich experiences variances that you can reflect on your own case you were sharing with me that you have a incredible memory and you've played millions of poker hands in your career and I wonder about that. Like is is there some kind of pressure created from just like having so much knowledge and memories stored up in your brain that requires this like empty mistimed meditation even more than it would for other people. Yes one hundred percent and one thing that I've noticed that has helped me recently is I used to play lots and lots of tables and than for the rest of the day I was just done. I couldn't do anything and that was negatively affecting the rest of my life for sure because when you're so locked in and so focused and you have all all these things running through your brain it becomes hard to answer questions for the next hour or two after. You've just had this experience so I've lowered the number of tables for me on that front. But I I I think when you when you come back to just enjoying what you're doing really enjoying what you're doing and having fun and in the process of doing it all those things are in your head that you the memories and all the different things that you're trying to go through when you're making a decision but I feel like when you're just having fun doing it it becomes pressure and I think that's something again that comes with Longevity in the game and success in the early parts of my career I was so focused on proving myself and proving to others that I was worthy of playing poker for living and that was was a good poker player and around that same time as this hand that we talked about is when I made the decision that I just didn't care about it anymore. I didn't care about what other people thought about my poker game and I was just GonNa GonNa make what I thought was going to be the best player at the time and that kind of goes back into that fuel of the game. The intuition I was going to trust that I was GonNa make the right decision and not care what anybody else thought. That's that's really hard because I think one of the issues poker players especially in live poker is at Thursday's multiple filters where you're thinking about the right players but then also what your table look like to the other nine players at the table and you know something nice about online poker that while that exists. It's definitely not as prominent but hey the live I think the life life. That's one of the Great Lakes skills you can learn from the game. They you have to cope with that situation and try to make primary your own mind not what it looks like right exactly and it's a big mental block for a lot of people to just do what you think is right rather than what other people think is right now. Obviously it's important to study theory and things like that but I think that's something that a lot of people might be missing nowadays with with the solver craze and. I think this is something that you might have touched on a bit. which which is that? If you've played played this game long enough you you can rely on intuition for some things and you know for me the way that I play these days is I will still always go with my gut and I'm GonNa go with my intuition on Situations for what I think is best. And then if I don't have a strong gut feeling which is possible these days because people are getting better than if you have that theoretical to fall back on you can do so and and just think. Okay where am I at my range etc.. Yeah it's hard because you have to be like I think it's I think there's still so much to be gained by intuition. But then there's also false intuitions or just like you have to be really clean. I think mentally and emotionally in order to gain a lot of value from and that's where a lot of people just kind of revert to the theoretical. Because a lot of times the curiosity acidy call or fearful or angry bluff and it's difficult to untangle that with intuition and just like emotion and so this is where what you mentioned about as far as getting into your own mental space and meditation and things like that. That's where this can be really good for me at least because I feel like I'm so in touch with what my mind is doing at the time that can recognize certain biases that I might have and so I can recognize. Am I bluffing right now. Because I think I should be bluffing. I feel like I should be buffing or my bluffing right now. Because I just WANNA bluff this guy and if you can make that differentiation. It's a fine line to walk and it's not something that can be taught but I think you can find a lot of big edges by doing that if you've been in the game for a long time now if you're just starting out in the game or you maybe don't trust your intuition as much or you think there might be more false intuition involved in your game sure surely going to a theoretical approach is going to be far better for you. I mean it's incredibly difficult. I mean poker so hard that it's it's like if you if you have a lot of these emotions like you know swirling through it's like like incredibly normal and impact that's why so many people advise going with the the theoretical unless you have like a really strong read speaking of read. That's interesting that in your hand with his guy. Hey that we. We started off with with six nine eight. You saw him thinking for a long time. And you read that as a bluff. If they're bluffing a lot of times they won't think too long road. Has It looks ridiculous to think for five minutes and then right exactly I think it was just one of those things. Where when you're at a live table you try? You can try to get into someone's head head right you can try. What is this person thinking right now? And if you're really good at it especially in river spots you know they're either bluffing or there or the betting for value right and when and you play so many hands you can get that sense of. What is it that they're trying to accomplish right now? And what is it that they're thinking about and it's really hard to describe but it was just one of those things where he's thinking and then I'm thinking he's he's trying to figure out if he should offer not. That's great because I feel like a lot of people on the river exe not with your hands Hansel much but with a lot of people who even have like Qinghai in that situation like the main mantra going through their head is please. Don't please don't Bat. I WANNA get to show hot right. But he's like us that precious time to actually get into their head rather than use it on what your desire exactly and I think. That's something that I try to. If people contact me with poker questions I try to let them know that what they should be thinking about during a hand right. You shouldn't leap trying to convince your opponent to do something in your head. You should be thinking about what you're going to do and how you're gonNA react to what they do especially for beginning poker players a lot of times. They don't know what to think about. I remember number myself back in two thousand five at the Tropicana playing one to no limit. I remember sitting at the table thinking what am I supposed to be paying attention to right now. What Am I? I know I should be analyzing something at this table right now but back in those days the only thing I could think about was. Is anybody touching an Oreo cookie right now. Instead of thinking like what is his reign. What type of hands does he have in this spot? So that's the first type of study tool that I came up with was okay. What is it that I should be thinking about right now? While I'm sitting here you know most people at at the poker table are sitting there watching the game. We're thinking about something else. I tell people if they want to get better at poker the first thing they should do is every single time the action is on someone. Think about about what they should what they're doing with their range. What type of hands are they going to be playing? So the person's under the gun you're on the button. What type hands the undergone going going to be playing if he puts money in the pot you you know eventually when you get to you you know what you're going to do in every single spot against what the actions already so I think that's just like a the an easy first step for people to get better poker? I really like how you get. Get your anxiety attack in December thirtieth twenty thirteen as a blessing. I think that's a beautiful to look at it. I personally have struggled will only with serious mental issues when I took some birth control pills and I feel like I also look at that the blessings. Obviously I got off than when I realized the connection. Ah had panic attacks and severe depression. You know it's funny because sometimes the problem is when you get sucked into those things you're not aware of what's going on so sometimes it could take longer than it should shorted out of it but now looking back on. I'm happy because I feel like I can really relate to people better because I've actually had those incidents but because I'm not on on those medications anymore they'd all resurface. I feel like in some ways. I have the best of both worlds that I can sympathize. But it's like mostly gone like that's a really nice way to look at it. Yeah I think the key you were you said there is awareness. And that's what a lot of this comes back to is is recognizing that there might be something wrong first of all being aware of it and then once you become aware of it you find the means to address the situation and that's through awareness and that's the the greatest thing that I've gotten out of. Meditation is just to be present in all these areas. Isn't that's part of the reason that I'm able to play poker for a living and and be a father not part of the reason I'm able to but the reason I do it well because when I'm playing poker on there air and when I focus on these three big areas of my life it's being husband being a dad being a poker player and if I mix any of those than I'm not going to be there Erin President. I'm not going to be aware I'm not going to be able to get my best to the kids or to my wife were to poker and so to be able to separate those three things and to be fully aware and present knows is is what you needed to really difficult. That's actually funny. 'cause I was GONNA ask you one final question about what poker and parenting having common Is there anything that you feel. Alike is really similar and not obvious everything. Believe it or not poker has taught me so much about to be apparent and I've learned so much from parenting towards poker going the opposite way. Patience is number one patients and poker. Is I think a very underrated concept. Because it's such an aggressive game. Um You know you have to be an aggressive. You have to go out there and when the chips. But I know that if I'm if I'm trying to force the action from trying to force things not just letting the game come to me that I'm playing in a band mind state same thing with Parenting if you're not patient as a parent you are going to be in bad trouble because big trouble because there's just so much that you have to be patient for the second one thing I think actually is is not being results oriented which is pretty interesting. Because you don't like where does that. Come into play in parenting well. There's certain things that you can do as a parent where that I'll overachievers the good result for instance. You set your kid up on an IPAD RIGHT YOU and and they've been misbehaving well. They're probably not going to behave anymore at least for now while they're set up on this item but it is going to be good for the long term with your interactions with them and things like that. So there's a couple of the examples that I would give I guess. Yeah no it seems like you're doing a great job at bill and it's really awesome seeing your videos and your kids. Do you think they're gonNA play poker one day. It's a good question. I think my oldest eva ever will play Poker Cameron and Andrew. I could see them In the game they both like to play games. I could see them getting into poker a little bit but I would certainly never pushed them to do so they. I'm on board one of the things that my parents did for me. That was really great was that they always truly believed in me. Deeply deeply believed in who I was as a person and thought that I could accomplish anything I put my mind to and having that deep deep belief in your kid is something that is invaluable. And that's what I'm trying to to do as a parent for them. I just know that. I think that they're really smart. And I think that they can some think their way out of different situations and whatever that they ultimately want to get involved in. I will fully support a assuming safety. Yeah that's awesome you know. Of course there's there's a lot of chess parents because children can play chess unlike poker and you know on a serious competitor level and I think that's one of the most important things to not to be result-oriented that it doesn't really matter if a kid loses her wins game in the short term. Because it's all about like their long term passion for it. And so if they lose and some lame motivates them to be better than. That's actually a good thing. It sounds so cheesy. But it's funny because you do see the stronger chest. Parents seemed to be like like less influenced by how does because they get that. Whereas if you don't understand the game and you have this kid who so passionate about this thing that you don't understand you're kinda clinging to that one being the result so I sympathize with that I get a row and probably my son will become interested in something that I have no idea about so I'll be able to keep? I had my well. Thank you so much. It's been so wonderful having you here or trevor and since you do play every hand challenges I might have to grab you towards the very end. When I'm struggling waggling to get those three offshoots or no I do have some some of them clicked off already? But there's GONNA be some random hand like you know nine three seven three then. I'm going to have to be calling you up about. I'm sure I'll have plenty of those for sure. Thank you so much. 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"And. Record in front of the live studio audience. You'll listen to densely dinosaurs is she talking podcast for movies TV shows. Pop culture, I'm wanting Hearst Kyle. And with me today, I have a special guest because Nick the other guy is on earth sequel. Diagnose, something, not sure sorry, this other Hearst, outguessed hurtful today. Naked gun everyone. This other Nikki's just a friend of AL's game on Tuesday of things. What would you call yourself a full-blown geic? Right. Well, today, it's going to be a little bit more fluid and loose what we normally have Nick is the, the other Neak other guy. He's more. The prep guy. So today weighed just Lloyd, bowling spitballing people. Yeah. That's what the fuck talkin about owning when you give someone a Pepsi a low price. That's right. Just the weekend. Pause. My brother. He holds his game tournament sometimes. And this last weekend, we he held us matched by the storm it and he had a full-on championship belts, and Nick one. Yes, that I did really nice build custom made. We gotta thank Dave for during the designs for that went on the bell, but most likely thinking on because he ordered the Bill from Canada. And it was actually a random conversation where actually guest the main prize when he called up because I watch documentaries because spoilers everyone, I'm a fan of wrestling as well. And other sports of lots and lots of unbagged is going to happen during this podcast, basically watch the documentary of a guy who makes the championship belt for the USC or any other organizations from emanate pro wrestling anyone any championship belt. You can ever think of even custom built, he's the one guy that does it and he's in Canada and basically all Yang. Told me was that he was gonna get a prize from. Canada. And I said, it's a championship belt is it and he's a response straightaway was how did you know? And sorry I'm just that the. The bills everything about that. But either way, excellent Bill. Excellent totemic is very well organized, even though we turned up the light because we're getting selves launch but of roles. Very row run tone among everyone enjoy themselves and over a very good. A lot of good prizes as well. Really? Serve, but heard about it should be Biden's should be fucking by. Yeah. That's why I held onto the PEX. We had little perks given to everyone and basically, you could only play him once during the entire tournament. So I say to the two best perks, which was to cancel one and to make someone use a terrible controller basically to win. So if I could just hold onto the end, but that's why I switched my us the other perk of switching the people on the board of who they will play against because I want you to play Dave a really, really good, because I wanted you to lose the extra live. So you come in with everything good thing. But like I talked about it, he's probably gonna get rid of the perks. He feels like it was really balanced all. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I literally one every other prize. Yeah. You want every other prize? I just wanted to make. That's fucking. Give me a little snide remark on Facebook. A bad news. I get because I'm happy, of course. Fucking one tournament cost. Cost about how you win you win chain. So I want out is. Yeah, it was a fucking amazing Auburn actually, and I can't wait the next one we're probably going to live stream on twitch most likely, and that's probably going to be October this year, actually yon singular habit. That's had to defend your title. Yes, booking around the same time at Pax please. 'cause I always get a package every year, basically over would be the weekend after of the and that works or the weekend before. So you'd be like, yeah, look at the fell. I champion a green screen and make a fake wrestling. That works. Yeah. I'll, I'll make wrestling promotion for it as well. Like chelsea. Yeah. I was thinking of doing the classic promise from the eighties and everything dusty rose. Squibb bottle. So I look exit overweight and sweaty. To and everything they just walked out, but they look like they're already exhausted, the voted through the much much Penrod these adage one where he's just like hot properly, spins around on this, which is out. This bodes. It wasn't a cream rising to the top in that promo. Yeah. You'd be playing some new games recently heavy. Yes. I-. I honest, which a full or end a gaming PC, but I basically, I'm not a stalled when it comes to game play on all platforms except my phone's a terrible. I've had too much time to play video games lately. Yeah. Just lots of work preparing full school in February. But you play you played normal yours. Yes. The new normal heroes. Travis strikes back house. Well, I'm gonna break down compared to the first two games. It's not normal heroes free. So don't go in with those expecta- Sion's. It's more. I look at this game as basically everyone knows who I want you to know who sued, a fifty one is he's the regional writer director of on Emel heroes. He really got high by Shinji mic me when he was still working at Capcom to work on Killa seven because basically make me I don't know how he much. We went out to like some nightclub or something like that, right. Into this absolutely crazy. Do because this guy Suda has worked with these little studio grasshopper studios. They made some niche games on the PS two. They haven't age will, but very creative low this one game on begin. When you plan from the perspective of one of the survivors with a video camera recording. All do. Yes, it always come soon a fifty one these name pen name, most likely. That's his birthday. Suda. I'm sorry. That's the rub. Right. Kratz fifty one but which is spit. But yeah, basically, what happened is that make me glad and brilliant, brilliant guy when he actually sits down and wrought stuff. I think that's the probably the biggest problem problems career. Is that his name gets slapped onto something? But he's not directing all righty contrbute bits bits when he gets all the blind front onto him light lollipop chainsaw. The other one that came up, there's, like free. There's actually like. The one by EA where there's a college going down into the deaf and everything else. Has gone where he talks about his time chasing? My big Boerner. What the hell is it getting cold? Yeah. Now I can the reason why I'm bringing up these games because these games actually turn up in. Travis strikes back the words it connects up the killer, seven, and that one's world with the no more heroes world basically, at the star Dan Smith from killer seven turns up at the opening and basically Carlos also appears in one of the later levels of the game because you're going through what was supposed to be the game supposed to be how Bill which was a top down beat them up, and everything demons and everything else like that. But changed him to make it a person shooter, and everything also even funny effect. Is that the gun was not supposed to be talking skull, who's actually meant to be a magical Lally that? What is this change this? Just the worst company in the world. Majorly? Right. They undisputed the worst company and they won't try to say all you just don't lie. Luke crates, or, you know, they make most they might well, I have many reasons to hate him because one, one of the reasons why seagull lost the licenses to making sports games because they bought all the rights to the NFL Roger and the drink has launched I'll tell you now the Dreamcast versions of NFL and NHL are way better than the one and stuff that's coming out right now, even other companies that used to make games like, midway remember NBA jam and all that. They again, they didn't get the NBA license because all the EA was one of the big causes that caused all these other big studios to run in and by the licenses for these brands. So that's why we that's why we got an MBA GM decades later because e was still sitting on the NBA license. And that's why one dollars able to trick them. I'm not saying convincing he had to trick them. Game. Did he really trick? He did the whole, you know, all we pitch for MBA jam or anything. But I bet you probably pitched a completely different thing, and it was to find development, a canon, and they probably did it. They actually, would they voted worst company in America like twice? Yeah. Twice or consume there's a consumer advocate group that asked people what they think is the worst company in the United States and e was number one twice. And again is try to say you don't like it because of this, that it's I have no I'm going to actually get into probably the big one that was made in the south pocket beside is that they actually profit from college students playing because there's laws in place that say that the students cannot collect royalties off their likenesses. So basically has access to the entire college basketball league schools, make the money. So basically all the students put out the hard work, and everything essential, and the school collects a massive check on top of it. And he collects the major Busey because is in college football. A massive part of Korea, a big chunk of it actually college football is bigger than the NFL itself. Attendance numbers, and how many people watch it, it is much bigger. And compare now the NFL has had a massive down spike in attendance because Colin Kaepernick decided to burn the bridge with and basically. Yeah. College football has an enormous Spicer college basketball football most coach is the most gambled on events in the United States is well Shaquille, O'Neal, might the major of money in Niger of fortune, in college basketball, because he told his family to bet everything on him because that's how good he was really. Yes. Yeah. Before he actually joined the NBA orient multi-millionaire. Well, so yeah, the comes down to. None of that pot. All there's many, many more reasons one the games they make unfinished or the crap. And once you get it's not the gaming again we have a Blu Ray disc, which sold all the data for this, when you played the gifted the battlefield not, but the battlefield. Like half a day off a day because it was like another forty gigs. I had to be installed on it for fuck. Forty Keith suicide should be on the disk, because the blurry dish should be able to hold all that data. But they again, they cut corners and everything else like that. And then basically, they turn around they act surprised that when people don't want to buy products or anything else like that. And we just went on a tangent. Then fifty one to the game that is this is basically I look at this game from how it's presenting itself from the story and everything else like that this is basically Suda coming to realize that he can be that independent guy that you always wanted to be and stop making games that he can just afford to make himself because his the main character Travis touchdown with different t shirts all the time in the other two games, and these will original designs that he good him or his fans to door up and everything else on that in this one may joy all indie games from devolve, a digital from all the other. References to devolve a digital in the script as well. Everything basically, it's a very, very big. It's a love letter to the indie scene, and everything. And you can tell this is something that he really needs to make he needed to go back and play this game has a lot of references to a lot of older genres and everything including bad. FM MVP, hoping go one level. Another one would bad freidy early days in one free openings in power priroda backgrounds as well for some levels now Noel, heroes spiel on us. It's all that the bosses how the buses the buses are amazing. 'cause the bosses keep going for light. This standard pixellated goons and stuff like that cool, tell just about the first person, the first boss is called electric funder Tiga toes. With the target two and basically it's a arcade game that travis's nostalgic four. And it's you play as a fight against a guy who's just shoots electrobi- everywhere in fights against villains, and everything else. And travel even before each of the fights, Travis actually, has a small conversation with each of the bosses before that. But when it comes down to that one, he actually, you know, really, really admired this character. And he says, all you're the one I played the most of the game I wanted to learn most, and everything, and that's way off the beetle, boss. He has like a sit down segment. Like he's been recorded. The conversation. He says, I've man, I can't believe I had to kill my hero. There's no more heroes now. They said that they were the game the game. Yeah. It's just basically as someone I'm gonna get shot to some gaming channels that people should watch. But the one who made the call the gaming perfectly summed up this game. The it's called the gaming Brit channel beginning. Yeah, it's name. He's actually a young guy about ten years younger than us got into gaming during the PS two era. Now, he's actually making the exact same arguments. I have as an. Of how gaming has been completely stripped down of its content everything and trying to sell back in thing. But yeah he talked about. He really brought down the game. When he said this, this game is about Travis has gone away and is learning to come back. And that's typically sums, it is strokes travelers. It's it matches the same scenario with pseudo because after you work for EA and the big publishers will those free games, and everything he disappeared fat ages. Yeah, he disappeared for good fun, because you with the rise of normal heroes, and then he was so popular with number. Here's came. He was making games left running sense. Yeah. And the normal heroes to came out and then speed. Yeah. Because it again, it come down to is discussing before his name was on here heroes, but he didn't write no more here. Yeah. He just put his name out there because they're heroes through wasn't it wasn't as tight as written as the other one. The first one was actually a look into someone's self obsession about becoming a winner. But at the same time is holding back all his emotions of being a monster and everything. He's the best way describe Suda people really play video games suit up. I see is the Quinton Tina of the absolutely presentation wise and the story wise. E absolutely matches that description, especially happens in the newest one. There is a lot of retro back into it. Reg throwback, he makes shit. Look really cool stories. A so in depth characters just sir many different levels. And then no more heroes came in. I'm like this doesn't feel right? He's the yeah. It doesn't because then Travis touchdown becomes a completely different character in the second game because the first one he just he wants to win, but he can't seem to describe why he wants to win this something in the his mind that's blocked out there and he wants to win. And number two comes along, and it was like, oh, it's traffic. Grey Travis to wonderful yet. I'm awesome and great wall. Touchdown travis's meant to be a dog to be absolutely socially awkward and everything. And this one he's just everyone loves him. And he's just all cool with it. And also this game breaks one of the biggest tropes. I hate that is telling but not showing which is what films these days, try to get away with trade China. Tell the always is bid, number two. Yeah. Yeah. Number two, does this many many times like Shinobu side character comes back and she specific you get to play? But she specifically about winning tournament against other seasons to win a championship built and try all. Wow. Neat. And my actions, I. Yeah. Too bad. I didn't get to play that, that would have been really cool. The bee's thing is about. I don't like spoon fed stories. Yes. Absolutely. What I'm trying to claim his that. Travis Nomo heroes to miss the Mark for made because they was an action game. Right. But it didn't have that Sudha flair that Sudha story turn to it. Describe it was the first one was way more down to earth when it came to writing in its characters all the other assassins you fought against had their own personal reasons to being the tournament everything built sore fool the actual the, the will felt full. Yes, you believe that Hewlett incentives, yoy you believe that all these different assassins, and whatnot, had their own stories up to that point. Guess that the story was that the world was so full that Travis touchdown wasn't the early person in that world. Yes. Domo heroes through it felt like Travis touchdown was the person that I will. Yeah. That's all around and all the villains at turned up just for the sake of it like that football one. What was the point of that I think everyone would know about a football player ten into a giant mech with all the cheerleaders wouldn't be a secret to anyone anything else like that. Do you know what my this, my favorite five from the original one was the baseball one against bad, girl? No. No. Not that one note, bad gills fight the, the other guy doctor strange doctor strange ago. The gun guess. Yeah, it was just love that fight all. Yeah. Something about it. That like a cont. Remember exactly what happens when lady up to it, but I just remember playing him like this is fucking coup. What makes that fight mazing is because you go to baseball stadium and you fight through all the goings as usual standard stuff when it comes to beat em ups, but it's the presentation of when. When she's seeing that song seeing that song in the empty stadium. He's amazing vocal really bones. Like he's really really singing very well and everything. But then suddenly wants Travis comes on after he's finished a song demeanor attitude completely changes. And it's basically he understands. Why travis's Dan becomes an amazing fide? I say probably my favorite flied out of the number here is the first one would always have to be the Sonoma fight being because again, she thinks Travis touchdown killed her father who his master and everything, but he didn't. He just watched a VHS tape until ran out. That's the end of it. Reveals which works you can watch learn vibe watching people doing so techniques and they're legit. But it's just everything that sets up to that fight and everything. It's just, hey, meeting her and everything else like that. And then that you find the small little gymnasium everything, and that booming soundtrack, which dum, dum, dum, you up for that everything about is just so well done in that, like I said, territorial video games. Definitely is guys like video games. And you haven't played any of these games grasshopper manufacturers should relooking up that basically he's studio. And they make games full of the PS two that made it full the PS one, they made it full, the DS is normal heroes. Travis strikes back is that on all platforms for the switch the switch at the moment. Switch nemo here is one and two. Release for the week. Too was remained exclusive to the we nine more heroes one has been reported to the PS free and the XBox three where they were actually uncensored and actually ran at a proper fry because that's the issue with the first one is that the first one when it was released on sense it. So if you chopped people's in half and everything. Every way, expect from samurai film or anything like the old ones and everything else that every way, when we go to everyone Powell region because, again, a lot of people growing up, now starting games don't understand. We used to have a thing called, pow formatting, which made every videogame worse. Every game looked blurrier and ran it half the frame rate was terrible. So basically when we got it full. The way when it came out and everything we got the Senate version. So, basically everyone to turn into dust black dust straight away gang that doesn't take away from it but God for the head. Basically. Wastes away off. They get caught up and stuff like that. They still didn't change the script and that's the big factor of that game. I'll say more than anything else. But yeah, basically, when it came down to the rerelease, that's where they had them on sensit- and basically and hasty graphics and everything else. Let that yeah. It's Doug release. But of course, scientists now once I will. Why would I play PlayStation free because they take forever to load and everything's fair enough. Hopefully, we can probably get re release them re releasing them heroes. One and two. Yeah. Yeah. Make some money. Well, we gotta commun- we're getting a lot of PS two game. Hoda. I love that game so much. But accomplished again. Yeah big. Yeah. It's way too big game. Should've ended like after the euro Chia battle. Perfectly the tha that and you'll get a good game. Wait. There's more than you don't even and you could tell it just throw things at the time make go longer. It wasn't just throwing it out. They built it like completely. It was massive. Yeah. They really took care of that game was beautiful. Yes. And they took the time and everything. But soapy. Like I try playing like I think it was lost the I tried to play it again. And I'll go to ten hours in. Wow. This. That's the thing. It's just again, that's Clova studios who will now platinum studios, which I recommend with tech was basically, considering c- gave them like no budget to work on their games are able to pull off stuff like vanquish and by Neta, which is phenomenal games. Which I recommend anyone play. Again, or if you want to have a real off always look up the head of platinums, develop a coca K A m I m I wa you know, it's him straight away when you look at to see the saved images. He's one of the developers, I think people should look up to where he just fights with people that completely. Demand from that. You know, he he tells them that he has no control over. They still do it. So he just basically gets five. Right. What indeed as the lightly other games? I've been playing Indio other ones. Indie indie games. Well, everybody went back and finish bomb chicken or how good is again that it's very very fun game. It's cheap as well. People very fun game. Play chicken that just lays bonds. I said. And the other games, that'd be on the I got finger the children, which I played a bit of a packs, and I had cold think of the children. Please. If any forties listening to say that I said think of the children. Basically, it's a game about paying babysitting. But basically, what happens is kids put in a random location, and you have to watch out for each kid what they do. So basically the first level I played at a POC, and all the kids ran off in different directions. And one gets taken away by child services back. And another one basically sank into the sandpit. So you have to want to keep the children arranged in organized. How do you think of the children's very original nice game? Wind Gemma's was re released for the switch as well which was a poet of a Neo geo game. Which is old grandpa times, where basically that was that came out during the super Nintendo mega drive era, which was, you could actually get off Cade, pork and stuff. Right. How much were those consoles the console was a thousand dollars back in nineteen ninety which is if you inflict today is nearly two grand and a cartridge each was of a six hundred dollars. Yes. So you can tell not many people got to buy it, and not many people did buy fuck with I so expensive, because they were actual physical made from the K machine may down into a console Cise still. Yeah. Is that how much Costa Mike I'm guessing would've back then but, but it come down to your understand how the Neo geo word is when you bought a near GM machine. It came with multiple poets one machine could have four games running on it. So. Yes. So what would happen is when he walked in there would be on the machine, it'd be abundant would be dedicated to change in the game what you wanted to pick and you switched between one of the four that you wanted to play, you put your money and that would look at in and then you play that game. So that's how most people made money off the near Jim sheen is they buy one machine, which is a nice big red cabinet that stood out from everyone else in the vision, and you had four games in there. And you walk up. And that way, you could get the Gailey king of Faina. Would you do it knew would be there because someone would just replace the cod, and it would just be in the same machine. Retire and same with the yearly metal slog or any other ones. Big moneymaker would be those two would be in. They. They. So, basically that's why costs much because when the mega drive first came out, it was they will brag that they could have arcade games work. They looked much worse on the mega drive. But they still got the games on the but yeah, near Jay was the one for one K conversion back then. And it was very, very expensive back, then to spur semblance and everything like that. Talking about all systems in sheet, being kneecap. A funny story that. Well separate stories but they've very Simla. What else younger Ida super Nintendo, all these gains meek, you neekam district, boxes, those beautiful, like donkey home. One two and three perfect conditional amazing Arkan. They would sell fucking hundreds of dollars today as -ly. Stalls. Had a lot in. I had Samara all-stars Mari paint or perfect initials. Beautiful ended up selling it for like everything's like one hundred fifty bucks. Push myself, like I think about it today. I'll wanna punch on the date and reason why sold all. Like the viruses fucking raising. It was the first manifest, and I wouldn't coin, to by Amru sheet. Garbage in the long run, though did it. Carbon boss because fifty at the time. Yeah, you're not. I just think about it, and I'm like you fucking idiot, fucking Celje sheet by Admiral ship because you're not gonna like that crap a few years. Yeah. Much the stuff that you enjoy. When you're younger has not age Wilner atom itself, I was a big big love Heena fan. On this love. But now when are we watching, as I well, I was really desperate to get laid. This is terrible. Much fried. Watching garbage. You had a civil thing. I have to console horror stories. I well, I got a Siga sign at launch, and remember, most of us kids and everything we don't remember how much it costs or anything, then look at the big prize or anything like that. I actually went to a website that recorded how much things cost come out in strive gaming wise, all the consoles, how much the games cost on average and everything that a Siga sadden at launch cost eight hundred nine thousand nine dollars heavily fuck. Eight hundred ninety nine dollars. I had no idea all I did was I bought a the virtual with the plastic gun, and this is genius story, as I did, as a kid as I, hey, look, mom, I bought myself, virtual, call up and a gun for the CU send. And that's what she responded with saying. You don't own this like, yeah, I know but Christmas is coming up. Good seven or eight months. So that's plenty of time to save up for that and everything. But I did not know it costs if I knew was eight hundred ninety nine and I knew that. Now, I'm, I'm so sorry. Mom. So sorry I made you do that, but she bought it, and everything, and it was great. And we came with a demo disc which I played the hell the PlayStation one demo disc where the hill these good games in it. She also got Daytona USA on top of that as well. So me and my friends, played the hell out of Kappend Daytona, and everything. We just kept playing the demo discs and the street alpha two games. We running all the time and everything. Has a six land like an Cade stick on the past very comfortable to us. And I gave away that system for free to, because my mom said, you got an end sixty full from your dad. Why do you need a second game? Well, you're right. And off. It went Cambronne. And then the next one is that I still had my Siegel Mazda. Mega drive with the segacd attachment because dad didn't wanna buy me a super Nintendo and convinced me that buying the CD attachment was just as good. No, it wasn't thanks. Thanks to the only way, I could actually get a good game for that would be police, north by day Kajima. But of course, you need a light gun and a working American Japanese. Which was released in pal. So yeah the best game that didn't get released for us. Cd most of the limited copies released and everything. But yeah, basically, I took that into cash converters the mega because I had sixty four and I wanted to get some more in sixty four games. So I had quite a lot of good games for the mega drive as I did. And I saw all with the CD attachment and games for one hundred and fifty bucks. So I got one controller and memory cod. Out of all that. And everything. Yeah. Now I can play my games on the say the data. If you thought about it. Seriously? Go back by myself. I'd do the proper shaking the strange coming into say, stretch strangling, the child would know what we're going on. Doing this. Yeah. Put it in a box. And just hold onto it for another twenty years. You'll be fine say you're. Above. Cindy had Siga world was it? Yes. I actually went to Segal land. I land will see a world and it was enormous. Are never went so was it just a giant, arcade? Yes, it was a giant fan. Yeah. It was a giant Siga, arcade. So when you went in there, they had none of their older systems, and all the, all the cabinets, outrun and after burner which, actually you sat in a pot in and actually gyrate everything when you use. But they had pretty much it was very nicely. Siga games. And you remember seal, so make the carnival games and stuff like that. So here's a fun packed. If anyone goes to Luna park, and you go to the very back way. The fun houses and everything you'll see punching, or strength machine, and you'll see the seagull on that. And this is from the nineteen hundreds of. Has been around. But yeah but it was just full of selling Sieg emerge. And a lot of the cabinets and stuff like that. And this early remember this early ninety CU. So this virtual fighter one and two while the graphics is so good to understand people. Swarm, those machines all the time back, then this is before, Tekken or anything. So this was zero three day fighting ISIS. The first arcade free, Fata. Yeah. So this blue everyone's minds that, basically that the characters had the proper movements and wait tamasha. And except when they jumped on the moon. But besides that graphically why it just every able is one of those games where people would stop, once they would see it and look at it for the window, there actually physically impressed by what they saw anything versus today. You can have like we have caller grams today, advertising, the bills and everything, and it was. Hi, what's it game that has that has made you go wall those graphics are insane. Well, I actually can go back and look at all the games, and be very impressed because I understand the lowest specs that they had to walk with earth definitely gone, send that like when they went with. I'm just flat out. Graphics was something you saying that you go, holy sheet, the budget on that must be fucking tremendous. I don't even want to know 'cause Arkansas imagine thinking about the budget on that game, I, I would actually have to say the one game that actually really impressed me, visually and everything as it has to be a war free on the PlayStation free. Because the very opening of that game is your fighting on the of titan while climbing up and you can see all everything that's happening around it collapsing in metal at the same time. And you gotta remember the, the graphical jump from cradles on the PS two. To the PS free. He went from PS two like flat textures, everything to actually looking like an oil painting by the cat, and all proper facial, animations and everything else like that. It's the perfect description of hood of that game. It's an oil paint. He knows come to long really. Yeah. I'll been digging about getting plane go to wolfberry Ivan played. The new go-to will get cold boy of wool oil. The father. A lot of simulating for you. Yeah. It's, it's basically got a wolf on the story wise. But do I have to play the God of wars to well, I would really recommend playing one to infre- to see because gonna wall, the newest one plays completely different from those other ones, because it was need to worry about it. Well story. Wise is basically critics gets mad and kills everyone. Was anything Deepa finding people? Autre mind playing games if the usually fucking amazing. I'm totally cool with it. Like I k people are all just graphics who cares. Doesn't have game play on. Okay. Sometimes people like that kinda sheet. It's okay. Okay. Just a like a game for its graphics. People is okay. You don't have to lock it. Full get the game play. You want to sit there and look at beautiful things that people have created. That's fine, while it makes sense. It's would be in their budget to make a game that visually appealing so much the web went to that. That's what they trying to present. It comes down to the people saying, like you gotta have a game that are go to be sudden long and say, no that can be short games at a fantastic. One of my favorite games. All time I can beat in under an hour, which is sonic free on the mega. But the fact is. I will well may game even if it's like four hours long. It's still very well my gay eights, what becomes manning is if you purposely, we can tell when the develop is purposely, patting out the game perfect sample, final fantasy thirteen. Forty to sixty hour to to'real level, which which no nine you have to teach the play how to get into the game. And stop going the game story I never really got into the final fantasy games. Right. I tried to get into final fantasy thirteen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lobbying board of fighting lightning the men Canada. I bought that. I'm like, okay, I'll give fantasy a shot. I'll try to get into a played thirty hours. This is boring as hell look the line. And I always rating, the I forty hours like Dettori. I'm like, oh my God. Yes. As soon as I read that I've brought back to Jamie. Hi fi. I'm like, I want to recline. He did the right thing, my money back. I'm gonna make this full anyone that's wants to get into final fantasy. Is it play the swans because they really really hot and they end not good ten. Not really good. Technically wise and giving the player options and stuff. That's what makes them much much hotter. I would recommend for the souvenir tend to. It's crystal something, but this was the purposely made to getting people into the series. So it's an easy pick up, and then I recommend playing final fantasy free, which is six in the traditional name. But that is a more straight forward to the point turn turn turn based games as well. It's like I want the series to go back to that instead of all these other experimental ones to make everything just go back to combat it works, a ho story about why they call it final fantasy. Right. This series is called supposedly the guy who made it right. I can't remember quite remembers name. But he, he worked on a whole bunch of other things before, yes. And final fantasy was actually going to be the loss game. He worked on because if that game didn't take off right? Well actually didn't matter if the game was gonna take off he was actually just I'm gonna make a game. It's going to be my last game after this gonna go back to the corporate world business stuff. Yeah. And so that's what he called on. Fantasy. Yes. Because those literally going to be his loss game and then all of a sudden people like, yeah, we want these game because it's just full story and shit like that craving. And so he sold fucking thousands, and he's like, yeah. All mike. Another one physically, same with the general life series. And that's why I was called dead or alive. It was the last St. it was the last budget they could afford to make a game. Basically, it was Dokki who's the crater of ninja guy. And everything was the head of the project, and he made full Tecmo. That's what they put him in charge of making a fighting game, and he was actually a big fan of virtual fighter. That's what he took his inspiration full for the der live series, and everything, basically, because of that game success, it actually saved Tecmo and continue on with the rest of it, and now they're going to kill the dead or alive series. Lavi guys. It's okay to have big boobs in video games. Look, it's fine. I kinda have Gainsford fan service fans have is for reasons to catch people dead or alive is a fighting game way. It's just full offensiveness like Bob Dole goes women with almond finding women. Bobby versus Ken, the finding thing early like fighting games games like that. But like I can understand why people like to play those games, right? Like the, the actual combat is pretty tight. Yeah. But the Gimmie on top of that is the burbs fucking flying everywhere. Like the women wearing nothing but a fucking TCU. Fucking sweet. Every way either the gills static still. Bad service, which is fine. It's what made money lost five games now. Yes, sir. Bringing a new did or with taking that out. Yeah. They've taken out the fan. This game is turned into a complete mess basically like the guy who was put in charge of it. He's basically at the very stock kept saying, all we wanted to be like, more visually appearing like the American comic book industry in the back of my mind and thinking, nobody buys American comic books anymore. That's why mangoes outselling ten to one but don't tell anyone. But basically and now suddenly the game got delight again. So it's now coming out of March, after it's supposed to come out and everything I've seen to build up for this game is what not to do when you're trying to promote something it's so bad. He's a perfect example. There's a tournament at comes out every year Midi as called ego tournament. This is the biggest fighting tournament in the world. This is where basically, if you want to know how long game fighting aim has long stay is how long they will stay at Eva. So good example, is smash brothers melee is still there at the main tournaments hilarious. Isn't that came came how logo and still fucking fifteen years ago? That's a fake. And of course, nobody wants to knowledge, which game was the one that brought the publicity Eva and that was streetfight a free foot strike, which everyone on the insect. Kept saying no that games a failure man. That game the complete failure anything all wait. It's the most watch evey of all time. Oh. But yeah, basically had the tournament, this was meant to be lives will premiere yearning, this is your first chance for everyone to see the game that tournament and everything else like that. This is not on the man cub. But this the cards that they have other games that are not on the main Kabul. They still have tournaments and everything. And when the world debut of this game came for the free days that it was me on more people were watching virtual fighter, six turn amid which is nobody plays that game here in this country, the United States, and the only people are about people that are living in Japan case Japan. Okay, living in the case, actually know about base people that walked by wouldn't even spot that game at times, everything, and that got four times the amount of used and the dead or alive, will debut and everything. This is a this is a dumpster fire. That's about to happen. It's a it's like all built up and one side game once that's the match is going to. Honor Martin games utter Craig's oil changing games up. Right. Yeah. But never forget you coordinates. They're the ones who by your fucking games. Yeah. If you completely change it to fuck them or vote, like the, the people who buy you'll game every single year. Oh, if you change it too much, that it's not a game of L by. You're gonna shoot yourself in the foot. Yeah. People want to these companies want to track new audiences. But again, rule the people who go to buy your gains while this is actually one of the talk about you asked me about being cost of working on our game. At the meantime, yeah. And what I did was I actually there's a website, KamAz declaws, which recommend you check out as well is you can actually pay full experience people, and I'm not checking Gordon Ramsey's even on that. He'll actually have cooking lessons on there for his class, and everything. And the one lesson I paid full was will. The crater sim city toki about game development and basically, what happened is we'll write perfectly summed up when it came to it as I one game journalists don't know anything. They don't know anything about the development or making the game too. He said, you cannot predict who you Mark, it's going to be because when he was making sim city. We'll ri- wanted to make a game just about construction, because he loved construction. And that's another lesson. He talks about his make games that you off a million with things you know about love and enjoy, and everything. He loved construction and building and stuff. And when he did it he made a game that it was about the SIMS building everything Bill in the houses building, even made for the demonstrations to developers when working on he actually made dole houses, and every little neighborhoods, and everything else, physically and all that. And what happened was is that, then they turned around any found out that the majority's orients where young girls and women because they wanted to use his game as a virtual Dollhouse. Tell he looked bit salty about. Because he wanted to make a great game about construction and all this work. And he's like, all the guy's gonna love this and everything. And then he found out the major reviews audience will women and he said, that's just how it works. You can't predict of how it's going to work. I could see that. Yeah, that's actually a really good. Some really good advice because you can target an audience. But you can't predict the outcome cannot pretty out out. It's basically it's human nature in general. Some people would just be attracted to some things, and saw that. And I can exactly say why, why must goes would actually into the SIMS and everything because it is it's virtual Dollhouse and you can see that as well. Definitely. Also, this is a lesson we'll ride game. It's okay to see other developers of doing something nobody can copyright game play if it works for your game, take it. This is the pros sinus and everything. And that's what it comes down to another lesson. Is that ninety percent of people that this is the figure we've got all the broad Dada sailed honor and everything from the systems and everything else lead that major people do not finish video games when they buy the majority. So when it comes down to, to me as well. It's, it's I don't think it's physically possible to beat every game off. I do these statements the worst thing. Yes. Steam is the, the guilt of the job, basically walk of shame. I don't use steam anymore for the fact that. If I get a game, right? I want to play at third. Yeah. And sir rather spend a hundred dollars game that like play instead of spending Tindall's on a game that never gonna play Hosh reality of Steve salads, that you can get a lot of games. Full like one hundred dollars could get you up too easily ten games if you want to and everything like that. And, but it's very easy for you to forget about it sit there and play at all, things must they library has like five hundred sl played for all of them. So began, but case it comes down to. So when it comes down to it, it's like you have to be first impressions count. So the star of the game is we have to you have to hit home straight away. What the game play is going to be what the concept is going to be you have to get old on. You've got to think about trying entertain them within the first half an hour to an hour to them to keep playing. That's how it always works. Example. Tetris tetris doesn't go even London. Ten minutes at most anyone but it's game play instantly connects with people and everything. And they understand which causes people to wanting to come back and play tetris is one of those games that you can sit there and play five minutes, or you can sit there and actually get lost in it, and play like two hours and you like her. Actually, that's one of the best things is like that's what I've rarely try once a week is tetris. And I always liked to pay schools that I get from an H time and everything. And I get better bit by bit by one of those games it just eats at e somehow like eight zero time, it's a time waste all videogame. So time. There are some that I just that good at wasting time. Remember when plots verses only I came out. I remember playing it Mike. Are out killing our so playing it. A plentiful off can six hours, even know for six hours mccully sheet by the good game as long. Holy crap in some, some games a literally built just to kind of put you in a trance somehow. I don't know how this shit happens. It just does while it gets you. Well, we all know it. Ah dopamine hit basically everything. But it's basically it's a game designed that. What well enough in quick enough for you to understand and pick up that makes that dopamine hit. And that's when you that's what causes the trans and everything. The or anything like that. It's, it's, it's the same. It's just to get a is for you to put up with something long enough to keep you going and everything up. Yeah. Definitely. The event. Anything else to talk about. I got some websites. I can recommend full YouTube. Anybody wants to see any I got a again, because I talk about retro gains and everything. I've got some channels of that people who have actually learned of other games, and everything that I never even heard over anything for these people because let's be honest, people that make content on the internet talking about videogames the self-same ten list, I bet you, if they say top ten any s games, you're going to let me guess Mario freeze going to be this number two. We know because everyone's repeating the same thing again. And again, again, they `overpainting exactly the mainstream what it is. And everything one China. I've read like to recommend retro gaming is cold snap strong. Snus strunk. It basically guy who's played super Nintendo games. I play some mega mega drive games or other games. But he actually finds the more obscure niche ones and actually breaks down. They game play and everything. That's cool actually learned a lot more about good super Nintendo game for him than anyone else because again the same. Top tennis. I will let me guess it's going to be Super, Mario brothers. It's the same the same intendo games, once in another one is the while mentioned earlier the gaming brick show, he's a much younger man who got in fruit, the PS two gaming era and loves action games. So he actually talks a lot about Dell. Make cry Annetta Hicks breaks those games down mechanically and everything and talks about it. Another one is Larry Bundy junior or some people call them on YouTube to silica garri, Larry. This guy is the autism of retro pretty consoles like you actually Lynn. Because again, that's another narrative that pass around the game. And it's just like, oh, gaming died, once before, when Tara K mentors. I know there are other systems that kept existing in the UK and everywhere else that kept going before the union came out and Larry breaks down talks about all those older systems. He actually does a lot of good research to of like other past controversies and everything else. Do you tell a big boss? I had no British accent, you time to talk about this product gaming. Love you. Lovey work. You're listening to you. Since you I viewed on screw attack. All those ten years. Really? Yeah. Around ten years ago attack was still a thing. Battle when it wasn't bad when they actually had gaming content. Yeah. A lot of people actually selfish debut like fruit that website libraries fist another channel. I recommend he debuted on screw attack as well. He did didn't he always to get about that. Because at one point, screw attack was actually opened. They called it. The screw attack community where they can lie anyone to upload videos at the time and basically guerrilla was one of them. And another one was raised a fist. And then, of course, they could also do that on another website called game, trailers and raise a fist became mostly big because they banned him from. Really? Yeah. Because he was actually talking about, like Khan politics at the he was hoping about a game at a time. And he's just like nothing's more fun playing a game on XBox live and having a thirteen year old Mexican kids yelling slurs at you bad for citing the executed. Yeah. So he's a really good. But he's more of anyone's more interested in, like, action movies oil even metal review albums, and everything. He's really great to watch these. Music false way. You're saying he's Michael Jackson end queens, phenomenal the as much research, and everything that he puts into it as well. And everything other wants to mention as well or mentioned, the gaming Brit show and everything. Yeah, that's much the gaming. I'm not lost. One would be another person that originally debuted on screw attack. He was called the, the, the happy Gema because there was a conscious remember him. Yeah. Those, but I've got his new channel named everything contests on game trailers dot com. This is now a dead websites. Where they had a contest cold out. Nerd, the nerd 'cause I video game node was bringing in the big bucks, thin all the views and everything. So they had a contest of who could make an angry video game note, episode out in the node, right? And this guy turned out of nowhere, cold one happy game, where he did the poll opposite way. He was actually really positive about games. But he actually recommended game. Which you might be actually interested checkout. Could it's called journey to silliness or Silas that is actually supposed to be the terminated game. We play giancana. Oh, they lost. But they lost a license because to was about to come out is they, they renamed it to Joan into silliest, but you can still see the T one thousand and everything still in the game and everything too. Like I don't take much faith in video game critics at all night. Any recommendation, especially ones where they're like? Oh, this soaks, I like recommendations with, like this check it out. But I have slightly hated without this game sucks. Third play of blah, blah, blah, not, like the nerd because e that's a full parody, then. Parody of the angry video game is a parody of angry. Yeah, that's. But I remember much turning point for weight. I realized gang journalists sucked was zero punctuation. Yeah. I remember watching his review on mass effect digging like I'm never gonna play the game. At sounds crap. I played it. And I'm like, what the hell's he talking about? Yeah. He's one of the most amazing games I've ever played in my life. Yeah. You gotta remember there's a personal bias between a lot of these game journalists as well. Like yahtzee comes down to unless it's all zero punctuation. Basically, unless it's a point and click adventure he'll praise it, what I've learned more than anything else. It's basically he's setting, these because I've watched videos of him talking of other things. He's in this mindset that point click ventures dissipate a paid against their everywhere, everywhere. Exactly. He's just someone who's completely out of the loop. Another example movie Bob as well. He's completely out of loop when it comes to modern gaming one hundred percent everything I've read and everything else that he liked complains, that we don't get the oldest series that come back. Yeah. We do this what happens. Deletes comment. Really? He was complained that we didn't get any more Munster boys, like, yeah, we just got an answer this free. Didn't you see it? Try that hang deleted way because he wants to keep an EAS Arnold bubble that the big bad new industry, that pushed the oldest. Fuck. It gave Gentles fucking the yahtzee. Movie ball. L affect guy. Sterling still. Mystic consumer advocate. It's my friends doing which while weren't tell anyone about that. These guys grow point a lot. Yeah. Back. When I first started they brought out a lot of content that was on point, like I agreed with a lot of this absolutely knows a huge turning point where you like. Well, it came at turning sense. Well, it became a turning point was when they decided to bring in politics into it just about the product itself. I think really big, Tony when it came to me when I knew stop listening to game journalist, one, one, it was, I remember watching a video from gamespot and they were talking about Joe Joe's bizarre adventure, the K game by Capcom. This game is phenomenal. By the way, if anyone wants to look it up amazing fighting game and everything else like that guy who reviewed it had no fucking clue about Joe Joe's bizarre adventure. And he just ride on the tiger K mooks shit games. Character look like Schutte. I don't like how they look or anything else like that. Yeah. Four at a ten. Okay. What? And this is like, whoa. What is, that's exactly the main point is that you're giving games to be reviewed by people who are not fans of John RAs, or at the same time, they give an job because I have to grind it out to make the to make to get the quickest click by article as possible. That. And once I comes into sessions, well, I gonna get anything honest review ever when it goes from that kind of area. This is too much bias in video in any kind of journalism like that. Journalism music journals becomes a film journalist, my sorry, not everyone's going to make citizen Kane. Okay. Deibel put their bias in these review in reviews, jank critics critics they put their bias. That's why do not like to listen to critics at all just like fuck off says it's just there. Says it's just it's, it's just your opinion man. The people that are like avidly against free animations. I know there's nothing wrong with free animation. It's how it's handled say Tuti animated, and you can make badly drawn animated tutti animation just the same as badly drawn and animated free animation. The problem is that you just try to blame the entire tool for the entire medium, and it's like, no, that's not how it is. It's like it comes like his Greg's, apple. I'm on an anime when they them when they try to use free computer graphics, most of flatly bad. They don't understand how they have to render it correctly. So it doesn't put off the tutti jewelry. You can clearly notice it like, Greg's, apple goblin slide. He sticks out like such a soul femme in that freedom. Nicely to Android, and accept him. And it sticks out really, really bad. Do you know what uses thirty animation entity animation, really? Well, samurai Jack. Yes. Absolutely phenomenal. Hap- phenomenally uses Welby, again, they properly animate the characters with the free objects, and they haven't because that's the night, next problem is that you have the freidy animated objects moving at a different speed to the to the animation one, you have to have it also together. I just want to go back to that whole gang critic thing about how I with zero punctuation and mass effect. A one kind of finish that story of what I watched is review it, right. He's like it's crap, I'm like, I'm never gonna play this game, right? And then I didn't play mass effect two came out, and then one of my friends like you gotta play this one of greatest games. Like, as Victoria need to play the first one. I want to get the story blah blah blah it's like just go get it. It like ten bucks volume ABM, like, okay, I'll give the shot. Yeah. Played it. And that's what I'm sucking red pill, marmot, Jane journalism socks just straight up one of the greatest games of the play mass effect one two three some of the greatest games. And to be honest, the whole mass effect three controversy controversy with people frigging all much races. Didn't matter blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, black. When I first played that game I went through it, right. Was like holy sheet. This is amazing didn't take away from my first playthrough from it. Yeah. Like, when I found out about how you choices really didn't matter the I guess changed how I felt after the fact but when I played it and I got to the end and I finish the game I just ahead all those feels in like still had that Merman. Yeah. Madam anything else. It's just comes down to I think, well, when it came to that controversy, I think it was a very loud, vocal minority. More than anything else that really made up a big city stocks fell after that. But that's always happens with anything related. But it comes down to play one to free. Can you can you honestly say that they all bad games? No, they say. Holy crap. It was actually a really not sure if I could say it's a perfect trilogy in video game wise, I haven't played a trilogy quite like it before. One that indicate next that gas is beautiful, and then mass effect the German came in played that terrible. That killed the series seven. I actually deploy that, that was terrible. What the fuck critics. You'll say this is actually pretty good. That's another factor is like I said, if it comes down to we'll talk before about advertisement that controls, everything, do you think any of the websites are going to give it a bad school? When they website is plastic with ads full mass effect. Andromeda the fuck. How did they? Why would they say that game was good? It was not good. I just wrong, or is it me or the children that are, ugh? No. The fact is that knows that they were paid by to give it good reviews because you look at all the websites because we don't turn off ad block because nobody should use the internet without ad block, by the way, is basically, if you went to any of those game sites when the those reviews dropped was that they were plotted with mass effect and drama as since I've, gee, I wonder what's going to happen to that score. Now. Fucking. Just the opposite. Why gang journalism fuck off? Yeah. Nintendo, they did the genius do Nintendo direct that eight three. Yeah. Journalists that. Yeah. That's what is just show make the show, donate to have. There's no reason to have a giant auditorium, just to show a video games anymore, journalists journalists showing everyone across the planet, all at once it makes me free because we got to seal the trial, as you could do that shit online for free now. And that is that is how much auditoriums like fucking in hundreds of thousands of rent out, more than half a million to rent out what for one screening. Yeah. That's yes, I, I can understand why a lot of them that why they instantly turn around said, no, there's no point in doing that. I always loved writing those the three showings are yet. It always came out pretty good because I always had the. When they dropped the ball, they spectacular that we music presentation that is distinct falling down. This. No, I still say the biggest one of the biggest mess up. One still goes democracy when they announced the Xbox One everything and it was gonna be the online only know us games. And by the way, it was the one standing up, and applauding that decision when it was announced, and everything. So fuck they want. And basically that's when they just kept, then that's what I knew it was such a bad presentation was when the first packs came around in the strata they headed member. It was front and say, the Xbox One in the glass case and everyone did ever the crowd to divert, the Mercker. Nobody wanted anything to do with that. Meaning we talked about this before the podcast about how physical media gains is dying. It's slowly getting phased out the physical media will be like, retro like upside, another ten fifteen years. Yeah. Like digital physical, meteors gonna be definitely phased out, digital media will after either shrink like they've done with the switch Mike down a smaller and everything. But we'll talk about this for the podcast and physical media, and digital meteors the same price in the moment. Right. But looking tender each of you buy the ice. Oh, this video the other days are should start was context. I saw this video the cover but what you to general was, but they will explain about how why digital media is the exact same price as physical meteorite when reality digital media should be shape up companies like gamespot at the at the same company by. Yeah. The on say mascots. Yeah. Yeah. The fucking rabbiting so gamespot for your Americans end eighty four Australians. And at what fucking Brits have whatever they have gamespot. Now they used to have AB early Keiko. So we'll get gamespot seen as well. They basically control. So these retailers control how much digital media costs at the moment, because physical meteor is still probably the biggest companies biggest market. They probably make most of the money through the physical meteorite James spot stuff. Can't dictate how much the digital media costs because they can go to the company. Hey, you need to sell those digital games for the exact same price as the physical games. Or wait. We are not going to still your games in Shaw, and it, it strong arms companies like Nintendo and Cerny expert in Microsoft into charging the exact same. Core digital copy as the physical copy. It's really boasted. So guys are blaming Nintendo that for that kind of crap laying fucking gang spot. Yes, the videogame retail chains 'cause they should have gone away longtime ago. Vying the JBL everyone else that actually sell video games. They're not very good at doing it. You say one job to, they can't even do it. Every time I go into e games all good. I can't wait to go into Baghdad because how on organized, and it looks like someone just blew up there. They're always having a fucking sale. That block you from getting in this always read bad is outside of ABC's like fucking thirty percent of sale. Every time and then when you go for the us been cases, they take like you can tell they got it off, like someone had to steal something else by scratch to hell. In a clear, plastic case with the Maka written on it, and they want twenty bucks still. It's like have you ever gone to an EBay that have has not been having a sale? Now. I. Whether whether not having a sale, shop at EIB anymore because they screamy off on a preorder one time they fucking Todd. Horrendously videogames anyway. Most video games that you buy from them like talking to who was one of a friend's friend who's that switch games in? He wanted by all about six hundred bucks on. It's like seventy nine dollars. Those is a hundred dollars. It's like seventy nine dollars from J, behi-, file target. He's like, what do you mean? Yeah, if you go to target JV, hi fi. Get for like seventy bucks. Yeah. And he's like a biomass. Well, that's your problem by for EBay, also reminded anyone that does switch just remember this non region locking on it as well. If you can see sales going on the United States or anywhere else by him up because what on your system? Get that she forgets that, that it's not does it has. Never region locked. So if you see those sales, because we see the America Americans when they have the black Friday sales and everything else like that Allah, when they had the immidiate sales, and everything will they games come to physical games come the cheap think. Yeah. Play is still thing play. Asia also announced lately that there's going to be a switch version of the dead or alive, volleyball games, which will be on sense. It. By the way, that was the most sold game and play a history, which was alive. Volleyball free for the PlayStation free wasn't there a whole controversial behind controversial behind that. Yes. Basically, the developer said they didn't want to release it because they fought that feminists were going to get mad at him over it. And even head of Sony said he was a very regrettable decision because the only way you could actually play that game. If you've got if you're in English speaking countries is that you had to import a PS four version that was released in Asia, which is awesome of the ocean. Everything dealer subtitles that was the most order game in plays history. They showed warehouse, which was full of rows and rows. Because they said it outsold easily outsold the first to you other dead or alive games as well. Very easily. But yet they won't release physical copies here or anything else like that. So you have to import it through so burning the bridge they can see in the south. They don't want to do that. But this is this has been a long long history of light, then being it, I think the earliest, I actually remember about this was the final fight series, the very first one because member poison got changed into a man, and then I actually went up, and I actually investigated why that happened everything and it's actually old interviews with the Japanese develop as of Capcom, and they said they were actually terrified that feminists, we're going to protest again because you beat up women. So this affecting us since the early Montes all the way we're just dealing with the same old problems again, again, again like I don't think about is can roll that far back by head. I think that's a good time to leave. It actually. Everything. Definitely thanks for coming in co-hosting with today, actually it was a really fun, basically talked about video games today. Again, cool. Trust me. I'm very very. I am all time autism somewhere when it comes to video game related wrestling. Globally. We are. We talk about video games, but not this depth into. Yeah. So is actually a, a nice change of pace because I'll be your games games. Educates Fadia fast to shadow, the Cobb, and water. Who's a friend of great animated. He works really hard does frame by frame, animations, every logger. Yeah. Infants Johnson loggers really cool guy, go, check out. He's channel and everything give them a lack of funds up, whatever works apnea, the other gaming websites that mention as I was saying before, the happy console games now called stop skeletons from fighting on YouTube as well. Where he makes star talks about different videos, everything. Another one actual game view actually do trust called pro Jared because actually plays for all the games and everything perjure. He's awesome recommended another one. Video game donkey, cause anyone who's not donkey should feel like his his videos. Geico is getting style. But he's basically he makes the parody of game reviews nerves. Raise a fist, again, full more technical breakdowns of games and music and entertainment as well. Guerrilla more of the retro stuff of a cold Larry Bundy junior, his website is the correct name. And lastly, the gaming Brit show for anyone that's fans of action games of actual guy who put into the F it. And lastly any gaming channel, anyone should really check out, even though they broken up recently which broke my heart, which is best to best friends play, which they made this series called Friday night, fifty cows, which every Friday used to upload them, playing games every time, and they used to shoot the shit and enjoy themselves and everything too. So those gap there now we could fill it for that cat easy. But yeah, those are the channels, I recommend for the gaming side and just gay just enjoying keep doing what you enjoy. Definitely. Anyway, guys Durfee get to check out Instagram density, Donna souls. Hashtag, you can find some pug dangers such with fancy dinosaurs. 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Episode 22 Who influences the influencer?

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Episode 22 Who influences the influencer?

"A to what's next if you haven't heard about anchor easiest way to make a podcast, let me explain is free. There's creation tools that allow you to record in your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor were distribute your podcast for you. So you can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many more. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a park in one place. So tune in with Dan and nine in square one more comparing on what's next. Thank. I'm. Up Some Up Some. Up Some. Haven't just gave me the green light to go. Up Some. It's always you and your friends I'll see you. In style pretty in style in. Their. Back when A. Great you actually. Yoga. Chases. A welcome to what's next and. Today. Show is rule influence Sir and my name is Ron Thompson I'm with hoarder house facie. One of the founders and I would like to say that about the Porterhouse we nonprofit that serves the underserved of manure in Kansas City Metro area, and we give resource business. To them as you know a way of giving back to the community so Another host is. Right. was left on the screen righteous righteous Dan Smith. Porterhouse case cited to be here. It's GonNa be a great night's night. Not a lot of great guests out of energy in the building or in houses that everybody residing whatever that looks like. Another host fear is Morgan. Go here. Morgan hey everybody it's Morgan from the public. As usual reporting live from my kitchen. Very Real during cove it and I'm about to turn off my email. So we don't hear that. Annoying. Ding. Anymore. All right in one of our guest is Anita Dixon Nita. It's also about you need A. Little bit about me. Well. I have done a lot. Grandmother of three. I've got you know young Abi honest with you. If I started mine resume right about now we'd be here the next fifteen minutes. So let's say, let's say that my best best interest has been the preservation, the distribution and the monetize ing of the importance of African American heritage from here to Copenhagen Denmark. And asked me any questions I'm sixty four years old nine times out of ten. Take quite a bit so. Welcome. These young people are because I got jobs A. Job Doing. We definitely. Want to know a little bit about the jazz it that history at you. Have, we're going to talk get into that little bit later we also have. Mallory here with broke s girls travel was no matter. Hey what's up? I'm alary. Molly Mallory, which I. Yeah, I'm a travel blogger and I'm one here about these jobs. You know 'cause I'm ready to car. Are. Molly Caesar a big time influence as far as travel like all over the country all over the world series internationally known she's a top one. Floors Thursday as buzzfeed right now. She just post. In been as ours estimates, she's one of the top fifty two. And then next week got Glen Waters. What's up their national barber thirty? Win. Yeah my name's Glenn Walters I. Am I've been a barber stylish for light. Like eleven years, and it's kind of led me to be able to do some international travels educate as well. So really excited to be here today. With you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. To my barber to you know so anything if you haven't used. This wrong or anything like that. This is the god of blame here now. We'll let. You Go. All right up next we have been keith you know grammy, you know jazz and he is an artist. He's the one who's on our intro every week we have to music and we change it up now. Dan But Brandon's usually on our intro doing the walking around he's rapping on their what's up Brown While up was going on doing. Pretty good for. Ya I. Buy what you're doing there now. Saw Pretty Much I'm a producer audio engineer in Song writer I I go around the nation sometimes clouded country to write for other artists produce far on engineer pretty much just making sure your sound sounds like what's on the radio you know and since my job and Yeah I love it. I do it for myself as well. So. As, producer Bam key is both producer artists for me you know and pretty much everyone knows. Me By. Some. Funny. And no one really no. Gain. So, it's like. spotify if you ever heard of bands, pull them up on spotify, I, tune in his letter on Amazon music. Listened to your behold the whole album rock ask Louie. So now we get into get into the shoutouts everybody GonNa give up a shot outside a whole list on them arrive although I. Pages and pages shallow. To shout out to my wife with impetus place, she's doing some good amazing things I like to give it out clearly union Kaufman, they doing some big thanks chesapeake. OUR COHORTS PORTERHOUSE KC we do it every Saturday. We're going the since faults within Floyd Mayweather Jim dray Taylor Casey Dak shot David Jordan what the drip water see my shirt. Not Soon. So congratulations Tucson it worked with the F. I moved. Club s some big. Thing right there. Like give a shout out to chefs and. Sarah Santos Brooks, Kiana lex spot where we at right now plex pot Wesley. Hamilton Amapa gave Derek? Cooper. Morgan couvert revamping the, first Fritz. cintel. Tomlin. Schnell. Smith. Kira Adrian. And that's saddest. Pages literally. The sat out. So I want my wife out to She's down really excited about the school year our Charanjit car foundation. Kaufman and found funded organization the Porterhouse Casey So without their support allow stuff that we do wouldn't be possible and testing because well, our partner organization without them. None of this stuff is possible either and Sharana alluded to our Saturday our cohort. This is our first cohort is the first group of oils. We got twelve strong entrepreneurs and our program. We're really excited about them and with doing last couple of weeks ago we had voice of the Kansas City. Royals are show which was phenomenal. One of our cohort participants we connected her with the the CEO of. The good wheel? Will Not a lot of gyms from that? I mean we're trying to get these folks and make some things happen so. Really excited about that strong game the other shot Ousama stop there I took. You. got. Like this, shout out both Kansas City public in Makanin, public libraries, they are both purchasing hotspots that people can rent because here's the deal. I'm such a Debbie Downer every time we do this but. we got a bunch of kids. They're probably going to be doing virtual school at some point this year, right? Unfortunately, we learned last week that just the WIFI access that's available in the urban core isn't enough to actually get these kids set up to where they can participate in their online schooling. So thank you libraries for stepping up and providing access to hot spots for free so that those that really interested in making sure their kid isn't experiencing that slippage they have an access to do that so i. AM AS ING and I want to thank them for doing it. Those are really out of it was. Really thought out I'm just saying. Do you have any shoutouts. Yes Medicare. Shoutout to any body. Stupid. Enough to vote for trump for any reason by somebody else other than Biden. Here's no matter what you say. He other one virtually would be is got a fierce daughter who is Probably the greatest people I've ever known in she's listening somewhere out there and as a as a person so high. Tina. I'd say, Hey. I'm glad you said that Anita. So we got folks that are watching. You are watching right now. Give us a high five gives us a how you doing something in common sense. We recognize that you're here and we love it. So was that molly. Aren't avenue shouting. My. Momma. That works that worries. LAMONICA. Zain. The building Lamonica A.. That Glenn. Got Sat out there. WHO My family is knocked them out. Right there my family. My mentors like Rick Phillips Joey Mr, real and definitely have to give a shout out to leave wells own salon. That's where working leave will and if I don't shout her out, I'll probably get in trouble for that. There you go. Up All right man Keith you outs. Yes. On a shoutout. The you know Ma y plan I mirrored like. Mom You know my mom pursuer must sister. You know and. She's had a huge fan in me and my knowledge of hip hop in like. Just you know production periods key issues put me on so much music and my mom has to my other sister courtesy. She's put me on a lot to more of the army way, but you know bought with that. But. Yeah I WANNA shout out to all of them on to Psych Studios, is a studio now that. I'm with and partial owner of and on this you know. Coming, up to me and and and helping out with so many other things that I have to do during the day this WanNa shout out to all you guys. So thanks. Is Doug Sat outs man I don't really quick I. Want I got shot out. So I want to start out Chris good rupee jeans. Chris's Ruby Jeez I. Obviously, a lot of our businesses in our communities have have experienced some major. In. Increase Girl Ruby jeans new three is also included in that and had they had to make the hard decision to close their downtown location this past week and they talked about. Social media but. I just want and they also got a win they got a ten thousand dollar grant also to help them with the operation expenses and whatnot but I just WanNa shot those guys out now the business owners out there that are really trying to. Keep. Your Business Flow for keep alive and keep pushing. WE WANNA. Shout those folks out those guys keep supporting these black on businesses. These small businesses. We appreciate you guys for staying forward and. Yeah. That was. The him. It's kind of like a flowers right there. go so damn like to build a flowers and One of my flowers is to give it to. This year for staying at home like organs said a laptop, my wife, she's at home with the kids on a teacher laptop and work at the same time it's it's going to be difficult choice to her. Way is going to be an experience is different situation for everybody so Them. Though though and lower star guests everybody we're GONNA get into the reasons why you guys Definitely got, Ryan Harvey Bill Lawrence of Comet and what's Up People would. for, but we got Our flowers are really to to knowledge into Really just give. I. Don't know what Word is just. Me An appreciation. To The folks that are staying forward. That are really doing things that are necessary to keep pushing our culture forward glade. Bam Molly Nida. Thank you specifically for doing what you do and continuing to stay forward. And everything that you guys do because they really everybody and I told you guys before we got on. Like, we're all watching you guys. Everybody's still watching you. And I to follow you your lead by example and what you're doing your daily. In your daily interactions and social media allows us to do that. Both. Staying forward because it motivates US empowers us all to neither do. Will we do every day as well so Zach? Thank you offer what you do. That let's get into the meat and potatoes of the compensation skins dry skin to that who influences he coupe is built influencers are go to. Question. So and this is for everybody this whole group and you guys can tap in. What were you doing before covert hit? What you're doing now and they're, what's our plan after it also loaded question. But tried to doing before cove it hit like right before if we had any plans to like you said travel or to you know, produce a music or events event planning whatever the case may be what were you doing before and then what was our pivot? Kobe. Anybody can start jumping anybody the start. Okay you talking to us in the audience okay well. One thing you know I was getting ready to do my fourth international travel I wrote the UNESCO creative city, of music designation. United Nations Education Scientific, and cultural. Organization. That may Kansas City the only creative city of needs again the United States on the under land. And I had been attending all of these various international markets to promote music. Through creativity creative, the creative market economic market for creative, and then just about that after that happened I was announced that got the first American music apprenticeship program. Under the Department of Labor did any of you know that musicians were not considered to be a profession it will only considered to be occupation. So it took me three and a half years to convince the Department of Labor that musicians is a registered apprenticeship and so now I'm. Doing more and S, and we're getting ready to prepare to go to Brazil to Brazil immigrating to Columbia start talking about how emitting this entire drug culture and turn it into a flower culture and literally obliterated all of the drug culture stuff that was coming to editing and just as hit. And I myself the three time heart patient stuck in my house because I'm iris older and with problems. So but what he gave me a chance to do. I got back in front of the computer and I started writing grants. Veteran Steph up for people and making connections with folks who they could keep making money and. Is Almost am I won't say a blessing I've had some friends die, but it has gotten me more focused. So if there was any positive thing that happened. That was it Yeah, I'm still working. While wow. On the grind and all. Okay. Here there. Or Molly. A. Same question. Yeah before this, I was travelling. Karma travel blogger travel for a living I host group trip. So at create trips that are affordable and anyone can join. So I was hosting trips right before this hope endemic started. was in Capetown South. Africa. Because I bought a house there and new home. in March, and there were only four people on the plane. So you know was like one of the last people in. since then I've just been at home surviving being creative Trying to use my time to relax. And beyond that, I've just been planning for the future. You know trips that I have lined up for twenty twenty one. And ideas and plans that have beyond that also encouraging people to take advantage of all the deals that are available right now since airlines and travel companies are hurting. So they're many like flight deals in book flights right now for summer. Twenty one. For great deals of flexible flight. So have just been in courage ing reference to that, and you know to not make plans for the future based on current circumstances. So that's all. I'm not sure my wife is watching hopefully he's not. To be one of those mountain Todos we need to go ahead and start looking east flights out and then she's why. Hopefully she's not. So it is good. Her directly no worse. All Right Glenn same. This is what I'm saying. Just comedy in the sexy. New. Watching, new. Okay before Kobe I guess the same I was like I had some travel plans in a lot of classes lined up and everything which all got shut down during Kobe And I gonNA live at first month now. I need to do anything. I was just lazy and felt good I mean you realize how much you need that unwind time you know And then after that. I kind of buckled down I guess you know 'cause. A source of income like nobody's speed new or anything. So you really. You. Just. Sat around and wait or you just have to pay like you said so Man I look with down a lot I really started planning classes four win. All this is over a so I'll be ready with that I have. Started really studying the algorithm social media stuff. That's kind of like. Honestly right now is our biggest tool you know because we can't. Do much are get out there like that. So. I really been buckling down on that. So when I hopefully but just prepare and making sure that I'm ready for you know that retirement I, guess you open own oldest called. Though retire. After he got a title right now. Glit- glares also been doing some creative stuff. What is what is kids your? Video. Couple of. Things. Another thing actually I kind of like stump stumbled upon that in everybody ahead a really good Turn out like a lot of people really liked it. So I think I might. Start something else you know so I can add that too. Yeah they pretty doping. We've been checking amount just so you know. We appreciate it though for album are ben what was doing. First of all, I apologize they're cutting grass outside apartments. Our cool. But. Kobe. Now, thousand nineteen and I went to Anguilla Island to work with the grammy. Association. For a program, pretty much to help t people how to use what they already know how to use to be creative and You never know in this program sight as people that maybe one girl she plays a heart and someone else plays the Bass Guitar he's in a metal band and then mother got the Drummer Gospel Charts will ruin in some other Gaza rapper. See we can put you know the together and was. Our Am honored actually very honored to be a part of the first studio ever built on an island. They usually have to take. A boat seventy five dollars a ticket to go to the next island ago studio. So we built them studio out of a bank old bank they had and able to pretty much. Give them something our own island. To. Record or derived or have a space to be creative and to have this program out of two so I did that and. Around January. My third placement cartoon network, a show called Steven University, which is pretty cool. Yeah it was cool when. You know. Surprising honestly, you know it came out of nowhere pretty much in In Kobe. was that hit Started cooking more. were. Up on other us in like started, learning, Spanish and just. Never, thought never thought of and it was it was it was pretty cool. Luckily for my career, I, don't need to be in person all the time. anyways. Their program softwares out here where we can have sessions without being person or maybe classes or masterclasses. You know everyone hops align something like this. And Pretty. Much The only thing I've been doing is just working around and and and. Getting people onto different opportunities, avenues that Set up through the grammys or the label and I ran into the studio. And they had one run it. And as over in blue springs on route seven. And They asked me to run it and I became partial owner in. So now I've been running the studio hired some engineers to come in. Some really good guys to work in and take their job seriously pretty much what I've been doing before during and after Kobe. So Yeah. Those No. Though I love that. So you guys and I know some. Suraj running the show. I'm. I like to talk. So it's okay. So I'm GonNa talk a little bit just a little bit right So you guys we consider you guys like everybody on here influencers, right like you guys influence and a lot of different ways. In your legs and your mediums right And so. We know that there's people that you guys influence. Right? So you're influencers. Influencing, and that's where we see you guys right because there's a lot of people out there that are following. So when we looked at Molly's blog post are hurt or twenty, best best. You best believe that there are influencers that are looking up molly or that follow molly that WanNa know how she does what she does right and so that kind of leads us into what Chiron's GonNa talk about a little bit and his question. But I just wanted to let you know like the folks that are watching these are influencers influencing. Exactly. So what does it mean to be an influence or to you, Anita and then everybody answer Like we always do. And it looks like Anita has something else. You Got Your Mute your. Own. Okay know. What does it mean to be an influence or you know I? I just Kinda like live my life I don't deliberately go out to. You know to influence anyone I, just you don't have my own thoughts I've got my own moralities ethics type things at it motivates me to do things in people listen. You know I'm I'm of that vein from school that you know you got to walk the talk. If you luck in the top you could talk trash she wants to and nobody's going to be influenced by what you do because there's no fruit from what your words. So, you know I've got as many people that I influenced positively is a bunch. You can't stand me when I walk in the room. I'm just GONNA. Be Me own one nothing. You because I've always just been me I've never taken side that I didn't believe in or WANNA push. So nobody can back me up against the wall and I kind of like coming in the room with the hey, what's up if I can help I can help if I don't believe what you do. I'm GonNa leave you alone if you don't leave me alone in this, going to be a problem. So you know I live my life trying to help if you say you need help I'm GonNa, take you at face value. If you change who you are among that time, you're GONNA get the other side of me and I hope. that. That influences other people just treat people, right? 'cause strive to do all my life just hey, if I can help. But if I can't, I will never be a hindrance on never been way. That influences. Your love. You. I think it simply means that. We potentially have I dunno attention, a platform a lot of people. Think of light. Brandon deals when they think of influencers. So you know failing something or ads and you know. As a person on the Internet I can't make you purchase anything or I can't make you feel any type of way about anything I'll do is just honestly speak my mind like Anita said be myself and you know. Share. My thoughts on my platform in order to try to help people. So that's what I think of when I think of an influencer. Though the so all right, Glenn, what do you what? What does it mean to be influenced to you? I. Mean I feel like everyone can influence but I guess when you're talking about like the status influence your status guess when you you know you build. Enough of a banking and following to have a greater impact right out Like dislike I don't know I feel like you can tell more genuine like everyone here. I don't think anyone really set out or they walk around saying I'm an influence or you know I Did that we set out to be Guys do not on Cannibal Sidewalk livestream. Hey, I'm influence. Everybody knows. The following a did he sat out They say, I, want to be successful you know and just have you just happen to. Hit that stats like influence or status you know. So I guess we using in that term is more of a status to where you can convict greater impact by you know persuading one way or another I guess it's dope the low that's. That's a good one. All right Bam Ki. What does influence me? Or? You know. Pretty much everything that you guys all said I mean. The whole The fake it till you make it sort of narrative is like you know always tell people in my fellow musicians rappers especially you know I'm like you know never do that s the worst vice. You could ever have vacancy somebody's GonNa pull that card before or after success, and you don't want it to be the ladder you know. So Apple Success that's scary. You know what I mean you don't WanNa do that in a pretty much as being who you are. Fully up to stay because everyone will feel that everybody feel being real everyone will feel it in your lyrics. Singer writing in your people will feel it in your even even books people write books are they will they will understand it. They'll understand you fully all the way and they will be. Another thing that I had to remember is that someone who may be naturally unless they naturally because I don't think anyone's naturally negative but like anyone who's typically negative you know You can't Chang Evil you can only inspire people to change themselves. By leading with an example pretty much and I tried to make everything I do. Be. A beacon for an example who you to follow and. You know. It's up to you at the end of the day, but but I'll take pride in what I do and the people around they can understand. They'll get others to understand and then pretty much everyone will be in harmony. So I mean it's Kinda like Jay Z. Follow modeled Zenon robot but you know like you had to. Do what you do. An know that what you're doing is right. Completely a peace in your heart about what you know that you do by. Not. Doing is influencing somebody else kids even adults people older than me younger than me It doesn't matter but as long as you can. Spark that person that one person you smart could as the world. Now I. Love I love the Jay Z. Drop I really do I really Esto. So cannot can I ask you? Can I ask something really quick Morgan. What does it mean to you to be influenced because you are influence or two? I I WANNA. Challenge that nobody sets out to be an influence there because I don't think that's accurate. There's books on how to do it. We have people in Kansas City that spend five hundred dollars a month on facebook ads that literally says I am an influence vote for me for influence of the year. I I think it's Hokey like super super campy stuff. But when we talk about influencers I always flashback it was really interesting Damn Keefe that you said Jay z because I was thinking Charles Barkley. Talking about way back. Even had a commercial. That was like I am not a role model and that was the most influential thing he could do was to say. Don't look at me for any answers I. Don't have any where he gave us an answer in every movement he made well, you know he got in trouble he was getting. He had to come out and say look. Up Following In the last five or six years he has shown us that no, we really shouldn't listen to could. Not. Flat friends but We. We constantly are inundated with these messages in it's a competition now, right because the world is vastly different thirteen year old Morgan didn't have filters on or a cell phone. And she wasn't in a constant selfie contest with everyone she'd ever met. Now. That's what life is right and it's it's not. It's not just thirteen year olds everybody. So. We are constantly trying to out influence each other who can share the best meam who can do all the things so I love what Anita said about I'm just doing me and I think Bam keys in Glen and Molly you all are in that as well. You're doing you and if somebody else thinks it's awesome. Cool beans but you're probably not changing who you are. In. Order to do the things, you're just working the algorithm to get your message out there and so I I would like to see more of that I would like to see people that aren't making a statement to see how many new followers they can get their really telling us what's in their heart. To. Our I so Anita Influenced you to do what you were doing. Our WHO WORE Follow a little bit. My mother. Was One of the toughest women in the entire world was the first black nurse to work supervisory position here in Kansas City, Missouri back in nineteen fifty. Very, smart lady. Nah I read a book once that influenced me ridiculously and I swear that here. Is My. You know soul guy. I. I helped to save the say quite a bit of property in lands incites the underground railroad in nineteen, ninety five it helped to pass a bill that preserves those sites throughout the United States and Canada. The next one would be a gentleman by the name of Eddie Baker. That's what you see on eighteenth in vine was not what was going to be there was something coffee international jazz all of saying in the nineteen eighties is how far I go back and Dizzy Gillespie? Ella Fitzgerald and Peggy. Lee, and all those people were still alive back then and it was a huge idea that ended up being the American jazz museum nothing. Would you guys now? I am currently writing a book about what actually happened to Kansas City and You know those three people influenced. You know when you said, you have every ten years of your life. The first part was my mother. The second part was the library where I found out his incredible things and in the third part was discovering jazz with chess never ever left me as human being and I've able to turn it into. More than people would ever understand. I've been able to travel the world of it and I've made some of the most incredible friendships that people would never believe I've done. So I own my life to those three interventions. Love people remote raw for me. I love that I love the and Morgan gets the plug the library shout out. We like that right? May Represent. Method without it. The are molly the same question who influenced you and like who's your role model. yeah. I would say MOMS to She's been a flight attendant my whole life over thirty years. She still flight attendants today. So I'm less because I've always had a passport I traveled to the trial. She took US everywhere even we were little. So my love for travel started there and she's just always encouraged it so. Definitely her Beyond that, just all the people that I get to meet on my travels, all the random people that I meet in the airport in different countries. Just. Show me that we're all the same that we're all you know seeking the same thing you know we all just want. Love to be fed I. Guess we're all the same everywhere around the world. World. That influenced me. As Oh. No you right. A lot of this when you meet people in your blogs on your your website is people can follow you on your blogs to. Absolutely. So my website is broke ass girl traveled DOT COM. And I'm just broke ass girl travel on all social media So yeah, I'm. I'm friendly people offensive to me out and they're like I. Think I see you at the airport but I didn't know what all you wanNA come up into just call you broke. I get that alone. People know next I'm just come over. So yeah I'm friendly I love meeting people in. So everybody influences me everybody that I need every day. Love. Our Glenn same question who influenced Who would you like a role models? Okay I started buying saying who motivated me I can go back to my my parents and my siblings for sure You know, just see my mom struggle and makes you wanNA. Give are better life You know she's passed on the hopefully you know you still WanNa make her proud. My brother He. Are Brother he looked up he thought he he always felt he let me down as other. May. Some other choices that got him into trouble? But he on realize what he actually like motivated being how proud of Kim I am so s another reason as far as influence on. Always say ricky, that's the first. Bar like the barbershop or worked in. He gave me a chance and he taught me everything I. Know. Show me like everything can do. And again, I think I said earlier Cuts. He came into the hair school. I was best for the first time I met him and everybody knows Joe you know if you in anywhere Casey Metro area. And again, this do show. He showed me just by watching him like best one he in fluids meet basically like. Does he I don't know. The skies unlimited. That's what I learned this watching him. You know. So that's a few but I have a lot honestly. Though are a Bam question who floats who or your role models. My granddad pursuer. She was. In the world, war? Two. Actually. Of was the driver. To drive Hitler's generals to be hung in Hamburg trials. And he drove all. And I, mean like jeep could've have been blown up at anytime anything could have happened. He's already had the most install. Some crazy like I've always wanted to be like him and I realized that you know like I'm myself but he he? Seemed like everything he did was just so. Valley imperfect. Like upper. He never a lot every time he talked it would be something really funny or really valid to the situation or a proverb, `a some sort or you know A. And he worked really hard to pretty much build up the life that propelled my mom and then my mom propelled me so and and second Mama. St I washed my whole life. She had three kids in got two masters in the medical wheel. And A washer research type one diabetes you know. I mean, I helped her out. Creepy. A children's mercy on. You're paying twenty five dollars for your blood still. there. But now she she definitely helped me a lot with with with everything when it comes to my mind set or mentality or whenever I was lower down she always has something or has something for my granddad. That will you know probably you told her. I. I will always a to that Music as a whole. As taught me so much. just just I mean even Scouting Dad's studying jazz. It taught me so much I remember learning courts on the key and learning like what they call them fat cores, Ph? Recover fat cores when his like all would that sound you know like crazy and like just learning that learning pop music period that really pushed me to a told like. A whole new level when it came to I making music. But. Also be a good listener of music. and. realizing that there's no right or wrong music only better. So. Is pretty much. Free. As well that like I influenced by lot. and. A few other people to as few of the people that this past way John Cultures taught me how to never give up ever. He fought through so much never give up never give recipe's paradise actually in like. A, few of my other friends graduated from school with in they've always just twist me and tell me certain things that I wouldn't even know about myself. What would propel me until what I'm doing right now and so. You can just like I said earlier you know can be. People who are older than you younger than you you know all of that you never know what someone can teach you if you just linear in listen. You know it's If everybody knowed Coaches John He's my brother you know he passed away. Last year. Last year, he got shot and killed unfortunately. So. Before we go to the next question, a mortgage do you have one person that you can say Ron? What one person that you guys can say that influence you guys in what you do? Yes, but I'm also very interested to hear your answer. I'M GONNA go with a ridiculous one. IRA. Corrie ten boom. If you guys read the book, this is an old book. Yes. She was hiding Jewish people in Nazi Germany. And I like fourteen year old. He was like Whoa that's what it means to really mean what you say. And so that was huge for me. It was the first book I've read like that In those lessons have stuck with minute estate also, really quick Marissa is in the building. She's she's here Terence's their. Jay. Is there tyler is with us? Again D Cooper Ryan Harvey if you're watching with us if you got questions for some by influencers, definitely those questions out there in the comments. Yes. Most definitely and WHO's your? WHO's your influence? Fooling one person we got a lot I really don't have any influencers that are follow our anybody that I wanna be like. So it was basically me but I played a lot of video games I a little different I, was Kinda Geeky. So I really now having. So I would say video games influence me so. Video Games. Yes. All right. I for me is is my grandfather man. He passed away the beginning July He was kind of like Bam in grandfather like that was that was that was my guy you know what I mean. He helped me experience more than than what was you know around and and he took me out of my element taught me so many things. So they have a grandfather was was that guy for me? So this? So Molly I got wanted to cross being video games video. That's hard. that. Out. I was. Everybody came to. My sister, she can't be my whole family can brother who I was got. You guys series so Molly the one on. Top trowel influences in the country. Highlighted in essence article what sets you apart from other influences. I think that Ed's. Authenticity. Sets me apart I. Just, do me I know like. A lot of people are trying to fit the mold when I first started blogging. I'm one of those people who likes to read everything and learn how to do things the correct way, and I had a lot of people. who were bloggers come to me and said, you're not doing this right or this is the way that you're supposed to do it, and this is how you have to edit your pictures and things have to look like this wins. You know it wasn't. It's real. Just decide it's of, do me that everything? Kinda took off me. So. That's what I tell people when they ask me, it's I think it's my authenticity I I don't know. That, some. I guess. Also asks what is your favorite place to travel that you ever been to people asking I can. I literally love everywhere that I go because I'm just happy to be able to go places. So I find beauty in everywhere. except. For my house right now everywhere except for my house is amazing I'm not. Usually. because. I loved it enough to purchase a house there. A really good group. To Amalfi coast Italy and it was like amazing pictures don't do it justice like it's ridiculously beautiful. you just have to see it in A. Ma Best friend and I went to Turkey and we had an amazing experience with the people. They were just really overly nice. Just excited SOC- people to see. Brown. People and it was just an amazing experience. So we had a great time in syrupy. So those are the three places I say but I love everywhere. Though this. are so Bam. You was helping out with the grammy's right. Teen, tell us your experience and how you young are following journeys. So. All right I'm answered this in Merced own. I'll put it this way I know there's an incident in my life run a timeout sixteen. I got victim. Out of the House that we were in in at the time, I was only there. And they pretty much throughout everything food in the fridge throughout out it was raining. Eye Catching. Grey's I. had good grades in. Projects. That meant the most to Ray were getting ruining the rain? People where that we're neighbors were still in thinking. That you know people that we trusted for years and we're friends with for taking are things like honestly humbling experience in I know something about that experience that I knew something a, it was something that I was supposed to see. Even, right there. I don't know how I knew what I knew. and. Went through a little situation even had to. Move around a little bit and no I moved around around like four times on my sisters they're out of school and stuff, and I was still in school of the junior. So move around a whole bunch and never told anybody at school will going on. came to school different clothes everyday. Thanks my sister and she still bought clothes Bob more clothes for me and stuff like you know help out and. I didn't know. Thing is when you see something like that and then. It takes about a year and a half or something great to happen. I really do is just wait and see see what the turnout is because it through every bad thing you know that you survive I feel like there is an equal are parallel good thing that will happen to and just have to wait for or work for you. Know I mean I the one that's like you know I the one of the two so. About a year and half later, the only person found out was my principle. And he told me he said. Come to my office. Every day it's won't be in I don't care if you're a lunch I don't care of your class. Show mop is at twelve pm your skews. Every time. Twelve PM Day. Ross showed up the first day the drum set setup. And there's a camcorder, in corner. And he told me, he said play the drums. I'm like. which will be play. Play whatever day saw played it next day keyboard played it next day it was a bass, Guitar Plate next day. It was a guitar, Alto Saxon Mirror tone in all these other instruments one day he was like a semi, all those beats you've been making you know during the time ause kind of moving around a hat like by friend's house without download the software on their computers. Making beason. During its poll. Of. Yeah one day he ran up meet. Streaming crying like. We did we did. We did know what do we use like shaken me and I? He has a contract. That's from the grammys. Connection that he was sending a video to the grammys. actually, I'll mention a little bit before that is I saw the email I I said, you know, make these of my friends houses. In Senator you know senator on email. So assan email from them auto spam deleted got gotta follow crawl ally. Would Grammy's happening right now. You know they came up tomorrow. They actually came from L. A. Tomasz schools like we need him, you know any any of the contract. I was introduced saw room. It It happened. In the. Least expected way you know you probably get used to live in like a certain kind of way after that happens you know, and then you you start to lose faith because you don't realize that there's something around the corner. Right. So pretty. When it did happen. I I had. I had tried to. Confine myself. You know 'cause I'm naturally a live person. You know I didn't want like a play sixteen instruments like watch me. You know I mean just like I do all that and find something in their out of five hundred Africans that signed up. Only. Twenty five, maybe control ground. Out of twenty five, made it through the program they pick three to intern fog. Out of the Inter for big willing to work for. and. Your. Is. Do. Though. About that. You know is is Like The stories I mean you know what? People in the element that they're in right and I like what's up? Sammy just happening with. You see people you know where they are but you don't really know their story right? You see been working. You see folks. producing things you see the content you see the articles, would you really don't know where people come from right and and and their back stories to get where they are So when you hear those backstories and you can understand, you can relate to those folks It just makes it all the more better right it wasn't like Bam said, well, you know what hours I I grew up with a silver spoon in mouth and you know you know I just had this these my parents had a connection to. The grammys you know they just put a phone call from a really quick and they just connected that and you know I went over there in. Yeah. We just. So when you hear this, when you hear messages in stories, like that inspires folks to to do more and do better someone's phenomenal I mean. So we love and appreciate the share the story, Glenn We got to me and I wanted to go back to Glenn. We got to meet your brother I. Think he came to one of our sleep series sessions. Your brother was actually almost in tears. Seeing you on stage. You know in talking and giving your your your background and your feedback, and we saw that in and it was just inspiring mallory. Do like when you said, your mom was a a attended it kind of like. It makes sense. Like, we're talking about authenticity right in your travels in things like that it just. makes. Makes Sense right I mean like what else would you be doing other than traveling and exploring and learn in the world and all that good stuff like it just makes sense. So me when you get to hear people's backstories it just it just all matters you know. So a banks, we appreciate you sharing assaults. Inter store to store I'm never never you know embarrassed or afraid to tell anybody any of those things you know because you never know what can happen from it and I- indirectly did not give up on accident you know. I was just obsessed with music I. Don't know like I like. All right. We homeless but I still play the piano. Are Still. ally. In our lives sometimes, we don't really understand why they're put in our lives sometimes it when it shows itself when those things shown themselves, it just makes everything more beautiful. You know what I mean, right? So yeah, agreed agreed. So. WE WE NOT PRY NEED A. Tissue. Street. I'm a grandma here this. Loaded bat some stuff for me because I was evicted and I had to sit outside. Abbas special needs daughter. And at that time I lost one of the biggest contracts ever an it took everything that I had and I was put out in the street and I had to. Literally, stay in my car with my special needs kids for three days. So people wouldn't steal my stuff. You know anti here that. To. Hear that what came out of that You know to see where I am man do those things you know you just gotTa decide life is just there for you to live in this too shall pass and you know that that's Your talent, cap. Ulli. Brother it just did you now and it will never ever ever sale you news Iq. I'm not a musician. I'm not in casting none of that. I just have such respect for the way music has changed in galvanized the world that anything that I can do. This is like a legacy project for me. Right, I don't have any other reason. To, put the things in place that I'm putting in place of then I know there's somebody coming behind me I? Don't play the music. I. Don't do those things I know that the industry is Kinda lopsided and I win a near to fix it and I found the holes plugged the holes and people will probably never know that I plugged the holes will what does it matter if it saves someone from killing themselves or somebody from getting off the streets or in what does that matter? You know the world will always benefit when the music is in the year and if you don't keep your sources, the musicians were doomed. So that's my thing I'm. I take care of that I write grants, miss it up in front of computers in nobody knows. I'm their. SCOPE. Salons you to hear Marvin Gaye. Footprint is there. is in that was very moving. Thank you so much cours. That's part of my life I like to just push away because it was so painful. But Yeah. I'm reaching. Which? Especial tear tears had a question on that. On the check? How does she fit in music scene in win? And what can be done unified in mobilized like more established towns in our please incident. Will. Two person answer needed in Bay where you guys think about that. Let me say this Kansas City has not put. Its history in the forefront of his music. Okay. We are one of the four was considered to be one of the four pillars of the creation of the only indigenous art form known to America. Because there has been such a racist and you just have to say a racist attempt to be something else you're the music has gone into the background. So what we need to do is understand that everything that a musician does ear producing. If they're songwriters if they're jazz artists they need to understand there's there's tremendous market a plane ride away. A huge one that will you with open arms that will give you the funding that you need. The first funding that I got came from Copenhagen ten thousand dollars it might come through Kansas, city What I have to understand is that they are trying to deliberately squelched the industry here because the industry is bigger than they are if any of these producers, cats and stuff at the put this music add here if they ever. Stand that this music is the savior of Kansas. City matches Chas but all of their music is a savior, Kansas City every so called rich this day in this town, we have to take a back seat. To a Kansas City artists are doing but instead dadgum mentality that we're not as big as that much as a someplace else and we hold the key. To what they're doing in Japan to what they're doing in Dubai Thailand all of these points anytime some Japanese dues can get star Singer Gospel like the in spots. Okay we got problems. And we need be sure that we get that done. So yeah. Kansas City is only being swept by the fact that there some entities out there that keep you from. You don't listen to them. You have opportunity you have the technology. No one can stop you any longer because it's all at your fingertips now look at this old. Your fingertips snap. So quit listening to that. Miss you've got enough money you got enough stuff to data up tonight got of talent can Adnan. So tears, I think from Anita's perspective you can call her if if you've got any questions about if you WANNA tap into that music scene Ben, what you think about that, you know I agree with everything a needle was saying. Like being an engineer I can meet and talk to in Influence and be influenced by. A huge plethora artist this year that come from. Kansas side the come from are the wind outside they come from more or Lee's summit or or you know Kansas City, the inner city like I was in inner city for a while on started engineer in so many different people from so many different places around the the area were wanting to the studio and Obviously it is i. believe everyone is condition. I believe everyone is conditioned to the way things used to be and I think that there is are there are many other ways now. To Love. Kansas. City or to have the music hard and have someone was understanding or have you know and I believe that the thing is is a lot of. Of A, believe they try to go after fans. And I believe that going after other people who will listen to your music as okay that's okay. I think have a better strategy for this chess game I think. Going after the CEO's and the people that actually control was happening in industry is the work I had I released a project doesn't artists named Cutty, bear shout out to cutting gear. Tarantino could various you know. Man Like I releases product with. A shovel in paradise I produced a executive produced the whole project in A. Mixed everything. And with the project, he put it out. The exact way he didn't it was it was hilarious. He didn't want to do some of the things I'll tell them to do it felt like it didn't make sense. But I'm like for you. You should do this. You should really do this I think that it will change something and asked what he did. He got a live band for his release day. He had looked out this You know the venue he people recorded someone had did like a little video of it in a documentary yet did all the stuff and what we did is we took that. And of course, me have money behind it. I said okay. Now that I have is I'm gonNA drop offers out. Because what I'm GonNa do is I'm not. You have the fans. I'm GonNa go to the CEO's my name's going to be connected to you. Right after that. Sink Label deal from London. no the grammys started to become involved in everything that I'm doing is something growing here. Out of the that mentality that conditioning you know because we I know how used to be when I was in the eighth grade in Fatto popular you know what I'm saying, I know you. You know you remember your member like I know how it used to be in a people like you know like Glenn was saying you know. Just changing the narrative a Glenn. Actually. Joey, cuts is my first cousin is my dad's sister son so he liked no having that. That someone knows to change the narrative in industry. What they're doing. You know change a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot of other places that have a lot of other things that Kansas City doesn't have out of. Twenty possible stay up into in seven different countries. I've never seen anybody creative stances. I've never never seen. Any is creative canton's ever as an out I believe that it takes maybe someone. My Age someone younger. There's a guy in Calcutta's blowing up now on the city. He's like you know he's really gonNa why he has a good heart is working towards what he's working towards because it's You know. Malley, talked about authenticity people can feel it. You know try not trying to be something you can grow up this way but if you not if you're not that way why pretend? Be Away you know that's another thing. So. Yeah. I pretty much agree with what needle was saying I think that's how we can get this. Market up and so now. Cool News that I started a publishing company with manager. and named it after cultures shrines little brother. In. Stalled Cultures Music Publishing in cultures is just the perfect name not only are we honoring John, but we are publishing multiple different cultures of music you know. As Latin Jazz, you're like hip hop pop. There's a lot of stuff to republish now and to have that staple in the city. Now believe that'll help people understand people understand the industry now you know. I mean to talk us our cloud is cool. Man is cool like there's there's other things that can happen ends music. They can low this place up. was were the most creative I feel like we are you know in some yeah. That's what I think. Definitely, most definitely thank you. Glen I had a question for you. Right say. Trial. Was that was mortgage question go ahead more I'm just saying you. Think question if you want to go ahead and. Say the mix up Glenn. Promise. You take okay. So. Thank you again. For. It's like week twenty four. That's that's just what you eventually come to. All of your work across the nation and internationally doing these classes and influencing people do you intentionally set a tone and if you do, how do you go about that? Setting a tone setting tone like when you walk into the classroom, how intentional are you when you do that? Do People leave your experiences with your flavor then added to their recipe. Glynn. Go ahead. You know. I I sit out to tell a story. Most of the time you know I, I set out to Kinda like set up so that they see progression in a story. You now, and then when I get to where I'm trying to get to get whatever I've been bought there to speak about. Usually, most of the people find. Their position or their way into what I did with the story and then they're more willing to listen to whatever is because I'm not like I said, I'm never trying to change anyone's mind. I'm just trying to get people to see where they fit in the fabric of things you know you everybody fits in the fabric nisus. So if you tell us incredible story, you know Everybody's following you on this incredible story to begin to think, Bussey, get to the end of it. All Been I can do that because not only did she do that then there are other people were woven into the story that did it, and now he's got this huge fabric. What we do it you know, and then you kind of leave the room with the hope that worked. Two, hundred, fifty, thousand is what At that situation I never go in thinking that it's anything. But what someone asked me to do you know, Anita, we want you to talk to some kids who feel like they've lost their way in what they wanna do in maybe musical help. Well I've got tons of those stories and I've got those stories from some of the greatest minds in the world I've heard those stories, Dizzy Gillespie. I've heard those stories from Sarah von. I've heard those stories from people who they only have heard us some able to bring them into those situations and let them know there is a place for you. Because you're here you would not be here hearing this if there wasn't someone looking out for you here or there. Decide for yourself which way it's GonNa be because it's GonNa happen regardless of which direction you go. You GotTa have what you want because you want it. As simple as that. because. You want it just want it wanted. And go forward. And nothing can stop nothing. I Love Malaise dog trying to get in the way the hawks now. Need US giving us Jim's. In. No other. Thank now. All Right Clinton. Or, they'd be doing the same and I. Really loud. Oh, he screams like murdering him. So that's why ranks. In India. Can you hear me? You go ahead and take it away this making sure my connection was kind of messed up. Basically when I go into any classes. Are Definitely. Depends on the class everyone always there's this expectation or some people try to go in and tim today or I was even taught when I was in it struck of getting my instructor license that you WanNa. Let it be known that you're in charge basically but when I go andy classes are always I'm just myself you know and I always want everyone to know that we're basically on the same playing field you know and they kind of breaks down those walls and every all the nerves that all students have room or anyone attending the class they're just gone. You know we're having a good time everyone's receiving. it's always like. Every class, I'd do always the same type of people I'm sure you guys can relate. There's. There's the ones that. They try to test you. You know they want to see. The some kind of nervous because they think like they can't do it or whatever but. It's just fine. You know I have you have a way of dealing with every type of person But the main thing is. I want everyone on the same playing field whether you've been in the industry like three days or thirty years or four years or whatever. I've seen I've seen some videos of Glen when yet He was staged. He you know Glenn like doesn't just do regular classes I mean he does regular classes, but he does so does stage presentations where he has the the overall. The suspenders and the the the top hat in everything else going back to I. Think you paying homage to to some barbers that that that clean up back in the day? You the the gig about that Glenn. Now I love it, and that is that just that classic feel first of all. It's a level of professionalism is I had this this chat you know you. Apart of setting the tone, you know just the way you dress or carry yourself go very long way. So well, is like you. Like can't homage to that classic Barbara Field and. You get an excuse to dress up. There you go. Dope. There's kind of your brand to a little bit. Do you know when you? In you know scholes clean like I saw a couple videos. You make sure it's neat. We couldn't have haired and it smooth are leveled or whatever you perfect which you. The as get that, get that treatment. Saying every two weeks. Are when you when you do something, you love it just shows. What do if you're cooking and you don't have that love it don't it doesn't even taste the same or look you know out everything you do if you see in everyone else notices it when you have that passion for it. Absolutely. Morgan. Think Morgan. Hasn't another another last question. Yes one last question to to wrap us up before we do the roundtable anita tell us what's up with Charlie Parker celebration. A member of celebrations going on all over the city but. Go creative city of muses doing something special We're having a sunrise ceremony in eighteen divine at the Charlie Parker Statue Memorial. That's down there on the morning of the twenty ninth. If anybody actually looks at statue they will see the monument David. See you go to the right side of it. It's in the shape of Africa and the gentleman who was Robert Graham who actually created that is his depiction of a death mask from Africa because what this man understood is that. Jazz is a construct the came over on slave ships of Africa. Okay. This period anyone else who wants to dispute that out at another conversation with me but wouldn't be time to stand is the morning of sunrise ceremony. We're actually have African drummers who will be there in the morning as sunrises Welcome this one hundred years now liberation of this incredible innovator, and then as the day goes on, we're going to be interviewing. Poets and number of people across the world. The world's UNESCO creative cities, which is fifty six of them across the world will be sending congratulations all day long on our news feed, and at the evening, we're having a son sunset ceremony on the roof of the Kansas City Museum. And like I said, there's a number of other Events going on across but that's what UNESCO is doing for Charlie Parker in. Let me tell you it is in honor that I never thought I would live to see. You know that this great man from Kansas City, you know being lauded so much around the world and then walking up to a kid in Kansas City who goes Charlie Parker who you know and it's it's something that needs to be brought back that legacy. So this monument that sits in the back of. In buying we've got to let people know that that is an. Index Masks and on the front of it says bird lives. And this incredible incredible piece that we have to be able to let people know that the legacy of Charlie Parker began on the streets of Kansas City. In our home. As powerful when is? Your Saturday. August. Twenty nine if you wish please where your mask and if you wish to join us if the sunrise, we actually have a sunrise six fifteen that morning the African drummers will drum in his birthday and then they'll be day-long activities and we will go to the Kansas City Museum we actually have a woman saxophonist who will be on the roof of the Kansas City Museum at sunset when. The individual. So it's all full circle. It's awful circle. The people around the world are like when I go places and talk about things I'm like I'm in need to Dixon's from Kansas City. I come. To the mega. ACIDY. 'cause I'm not inland boy NIGGA. You now, it's all relative. That's what we're doing for trout. Arken is going to be amazing. Will be will be there and we're definitely supporting that is that's phenomenal. Is going to be on the cleanup crew. I'm just letting you know 'cause Morgan it'd be on the cleanup crew for anything name. Organ. Or something like that. That's great. But who? ooh. Trash pickup is expensive. slurpy that morning because I showed we'll be said. As you will hear me don't bring you. Don't bring your breakfast sandwiches from McDonald's ask they'll be out. They go work. I'm having signed. You'd say, what are your thoughts? You have been. Yeah. So my camera our camera keeps going in and out I don't know what's up something different. You know we're just trying to be flexible right? Keep move with it my. My clothes outs. We appreciate everybody for again taking your time. No you know everybody's got something to boo. Kovin. It has made a lot of people more busy. Than they were before for Ashley Kobe did so But again, we appreciate you taking time out of your. Day. To spend with us in her house Kansas City Family Casey family, we had a lot of people happening. A lot of good feedback. So we appreciate. Anita, we will be there on the twenty ninth I hope South at sunrise. Bam Key. Poured into music. Keep using we need to put another thing song just let only. Because you know we were open to. Glean Ki keeping powerful and doing what you glad put a video on on instagram about a week ago. Maybe a little more than a week ago was young man I was talking about his hair and he didn't have confidence. He has some issues s and things because the school that he went to was a predominantly. White School in the environment that easy to get a lot flack does of his ear and had a really great conversation with that young man and so I just want to get some some phases to you. In the conversations that you haven't with these young people You're more than artists more than a barber, you more than stylish you are. An inspiration to the community to the people that you serve and all our young people watching in that that you get to touch. So again, we appreciate you for what you for sure and molly. Being you. As a lot of black people I mean there's some black people that travel, but there's not a lot of black people that's giving us the experience that you're given. You know what I mean. Very. Watch. Anthony. All the time and how his experiences when he would travel but also watch your travel experiences when you were able to get out and try and impose pictures of all these exotic places, an overlooking rainforest and and an outdoor after. All this other stuff in Jacuzzi tubs that were outdoors overlooking the jungles and all that I watched we kept taps, you keep types on. So we appreciate that and thank you for that. So once this thing, let's you know we're we're back on it. Yeah. Let us know the secrets raids of. Hey. You're. That's necet. That's what he's trying to. In my closing thoughts are All right. Sorry? Morgan. Prepared for that. So closing thoughts tonight I wanna take a take a moment in just explained that we've been in this for over twenty weeks in it's every single Wednesday in we have run the gamut of subjects and the reason why that's important is because Wednesday nights with Porterhouse Casey, they don't only the. They're encouraging the black narrative to come forward but not just from the expected places from all the places. And that is so critical right now to get these stories out and we've heard it from guest after guest after guest after guest that we need to get to know ourselves. So I follow a little bit more in love a Kansas City every Wednesday night. because. We're not getting to know each other before now in the fact that that's happening during Kovic. Is a testament to humanity and I'm not a person who goes around saying you know what I love other humans that is in Connecticut, my mouth very often. By on, I have met so many amazing people in Kansas City through this and people that keep coming up in conversation 'cause that's the deal what you see at once. Then when that name gets dropped, you recognize it. Or that opportunity comes around you think of that person and the thank you for joining this conversation and being vulnerable with us because this is where we really get to make the change. This is where it happens with the sharing. So I hope for those of you that are watching, you continue tune in on Wednesday nights as we find another awesome thing about Kansas City and about building the black economy that she didn't know yet This is literally the best thing I could do with my time so. Thank you for being here with us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Anita. Anita. ME. Yup. That the young people that I'm not. I live in old grew. Everybody's also region These kids more than we ever dream. We, they're literally live in the cartoon that we used to watch. So you know I'm proud of you guys. I am amazed by you all and I hope whatever I'm doing health shoe in the future. So when you get here, you'll do the same. I'm looking at my life on the other end of things. Now, I just want to help I don't WanNa. You know my dance to step in days I just WANNA watch you carry it out from here. That's all I WANNA do. Let me help. Our Malley, you having your shot outs are after. Closing thousands thousand thoughts. Yet, thank you for letting me join and. Meet all of you and hopefully will be able to collaborate on meet. When do something I can't come to the event on the twenty ninth because I'm actually going out of town for the first time. March I'm just. I'm just going to Colorado, but I'm excited. That, hopefully, I'll be able to come to something else in the future collaborate. You know Bam sing on the track you know what I'm saying he was. The hair and you know so thank you. Molly tell us how we can reach. You are your platforms yet again on all social media, it's at broke s girl travel or it's broke ass girl travel dot com I answer all my messages and emails in everything you reach me any kind of way so. Though. That's awesome. Deliver share no no I'm sorry need I've been to. Tell you what forms that anybody. I've got several. You can go to creative city Casey on facebook or you can go to my web web, my own webpage and financial I am and that's www sage s. a. g. e. sage Worldview DOT com. Or that book to. Oh it's coming woo and it drops. Lean your closing thoughts. Yeah I really appreciate you guys having me for sure it was a blast I like him really say is don't really set out. For the popularity aren't you know trying to be an influence in Israeli dope if you if that's what you you make it to But just do it for the the love in out. No matter what you do if you don't do that love. then. You know is just no point. Really. So don't worry about the popularity worry about on extra that comes with it just do it for the love and trying to make a difference. they all your. That's all. Right on and How can we reach you on your platforms are hockey. Squad. INSTAGRAM snapchat snapchat. Most of them are Glenn styles and thousands throughout S T y? L E. FACEBOOK, whilst junior. Government, aims government. Right. Tons of Tasha Miss? Scott. Watch and I just wanted to get that shot out really quick. and Bam, give out your closing thoughts. On Note. Guys her having the on here the negative Clermont Story and To help you motivate into help fire really what I want to do all the time anyways and what I try to do it every single day. I just I would say for anyone that is watching this is thinking about doing something are really been something's been really pushing inwards hugging him to do something Owen Do. Now. At the time is the time to go do what? You were trying to. The space race while I'm calling it space of grace. and is giving us time to get everything together that we need to do. In saw. Yes of skill for Ford and do it. you know you catch me doing it so. You know go ahead. and. I guess was you're GONNA say platforms. At. Dot Com or Edam Keith on pretty much everything witter instagram. Underscore during things just Bam. Can go to Bam keep dot com as well. Or you can go to lie label day Wool Dot Com, and you'll be able to see that on. There S D. E. W. O.. L. At. And We. Put that in chat, so they can go to. Thanks acquired. Outs how would like to say, I, appreciate everybody for a tune in tonight. All the audience everybody who was on a show accident questions, MMA wife Eissa Jaylen who else is on here we had me on their Italian on their we had tears in their. Building we have Morgan comment. Just Ryan Harvey was was tapped in Lamonica, was in. Tapping. Yeah. Right lobby I appreciate your for tuning and I like to thank the guests Anita. Mark Molly Glenn. Bam Man thank you I. Appreciate you coming on and. Always as always reach US support a House Casey on facebook. both why farms and I like to also give a shout out to plex pot for hosting for SBN that they spot this where we are sometimes come and do show. So thank you blackspot. And that's it for me. Thank you for tuning in what's next so Peace. Thank you. I'm up some. Up Some. Up. Some. Nego-. Lighting. Up some, in new that. It's always you and your friends round I. See you got to new style pretty in south. Carolina. Back. When A. Great actually do amount. To. US.

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Pivot for a Future of Work Podcast

The Tightrope with Dan Smolen

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Pivot for a Future of Work Podcast

"Now everything seemed fine until early September when we discovered that something was amiss the tightrope podcast had inexplicably disappeared from the web and social media. What happened? I'm Dan Smith in today bringing you a completely different podcast episode this week. There are no guests. It's just me. One week ago today the universe hit me with a blunt force. I made an unbelievable discovery that turned my world and my podcast upside down. But before I share with you what happened? Here's a little back story the tightrope podcast enjoyed a phenomenal spring and summer of 2028. We quite successfully grew our audience and reached out to a lot of perspective listeners who were eager for our insight and inspiration to help people like them to reconnect in a future of work doing meaningful work. Now everything seemed fine until early September when we discovered that something was amiss the tightrope podcast and inexplicably disappeared from the web and social media what happened Our concern for our listener metrics grew when we discovered that during dead. September 2020 podcasts listenership across the US had actually grown considerably we were not writing that September podcast Title Wave we were beneath it which takes us to one week ago today when the reason for our reversal of Fortune became crystal clear in the late spring of 2020 well-known academic and social commentator. Dr. Cornel West launched his podcast which he calls the tightrope and by September Dr. West Palm leveraged his very large audience on social media, which is in excess of seven hundred fifty thousand people to promote his new podcast. He also investing in paid social media to drive listenership when that happened our first-time listeners who I asked to subscribe to my podcast called the tightrope odd. Asked were pointed to dr. West podcast instead My Discovery was a severe gut-punch. I had worked over four years to promote the tightrope podcast and suddenly all my hard work and efforts seem to go for not if you've ever experienced a painful loss, then you are likely to have experienced wage several stages of grief in her seminal work of death and dying the late Elizabeth Kubler-Ross famously described five stages of grief month. They are denial anger bargaining depression and acceptance a grieving person may experience these stages over many months or years. I seem to experience them all at once and I knew I had no luxury of time to grieve any longer about 20 minutes into my profound discovery. I fully reached acceptance and pivoted immediately to a course of action. I knew I had two ways to mitigate the sudden and negative impact on my podcasts brand. I could try to spend my way to relevance through the investment of thousands of dollars worth of advertising on the web and social media, or I could just stage a Rebrand you my audience are smart. And I know you have come to the conclusion that I came to walk by chose to Rebrand my podcast. We know from our research that many people find this podcast by Googling dance Mullins podcast. That is because I have earned a good reputation as a thought leader in the future of work and meaningful work. Thus the new brand has emerged quite organically and now we pivot to a new name the dance mole and podcasts that settled. I immediately reached out to our Intrepid graphic designer and visual Storyteller Michael Brandt to render the new podcast cover art or button design his new design incorporates the brilliant Explorer with a spyglass visual that he created for a slash year and has shown throughout social media and on our own damn small and.com website. It visually communicates how we can explore a beautiful future of work doing meaningful work that podcast button debuts across Any channels today? Looking back at the past week. I fully accept that the pivot to the dance Mullen podcast was inevitable our new name seamlessly aligns the podcast thought our mission and helps me to extend my hard-earned thought leadership in the future of work to thousands of people who seek to do work that is profound protect our planet and Powers people in communities and is fun to do meaningful work. If you've been one of our podcast subscribers for a short period of time or throughout the past four years I say thank you for your continued support and listenership off. The future is going to be interesting and our mission remains to help you thrive in a chaotic but wonderfully opportunistic work environment with new episodes coming soon. We will dig deep into real-time issues that affect you and the work that you do including thorough discussions on topics like hybrid work. We will continue to host need both thought leaders in business Academia and public service to turn Sudden Change in adversity at work into truly meaningful and wonderful experiences wage. So my friends let me add this the tightrope walk was a lot of fun, but it's utility has ended now as the dance Mullen podcast dead. We will experience the real-time re-imagination of the work that we currently do and the work that we hope to do in the future. We hold no grudges and wish dr. Cornel West Bank, its production team the very best of luck with their new podcast the stories that are guests tell and the insights that they provide will inspire us all to connect with work and experiences that Stoke our passions and make the world a better place for the future of work is Meaningful work. 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NPR News: 09-09-2020 11PM ET

NPR News Now

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NPR News: 09-09-2020 11PM ET

"Live from NPR news I'm Shay Stevens President Trump, headed to a campaign rally in Michigan today under a new cloud of controversy. A new book by veteran journalist Bob Woodward describes troubled relationship between trump and several of his senior military leaders. NPR's Frank Donas reports Washington Post associate editor. Bob Woodward writes in his forthcoming book rage that trump using especially crew derogatory term the same. One he famously used in an access Hollywood tape to describe general serving in his administration and according to Woodward. He also said they were too focused on alliances instead of trade deals. Trump's former defense secretary. Jim. Mattis allegedly called trump dangerous and unfit Woodward writes that mad is warned collie quote. There may come a time when we have to take collective action against the president. Franco or DONAS NPR. News Attorney General William. Bar is claiming success in the use of federal forces to combat low crime in Chicago and other cities as NPR's Cheryl quarterly reports. The Mayor of Chicago says, no one should be taking a victory lap just yet attorney general Barr says Operation Legend with its influx of federal agents has helped local police reduced surge of shootings and homicides in cities like Kansas City, Saint Louis and Memphis? That's especially true. Says Bar in Chicago. City president trump often criticises crime is down and order is being restored to this great American. City Barr says with Operation Legend in place murders in Chicago have dropped by fifty percent since late July I think the facts don't bear that out not yet Chicago's Mayor Lori lightfoot says she's grateful for federal help but the city's violent crime decline began before more federal agents came to town. She says, it's too soon to measure their impact Cheryl Corlett NPR news Chicago. Three people. Have died in northern California wildfire that's forced thousands from their homes in Butte county by your managers say resources are being quickly exhausted as agencies battle eighty-five major blazes. Most of them burning in the West as NPR's Kirk siegler reports. Federal officials are increasingly relying on outsell help including the US and Canadian military federal fire managers say Canadian and Mexican fire crews are now helping out on the West Coast and the agency is requesting more help in the form of ten hand. Crews from the US military Dan Smith is a coordinator at the National Interagency Fire Center in Idaho. There's just so much Dr on the landscape in so many fires and in such a large area of that, we're using what options we have available Smith says more fire suppression help is of course needed but the top priority many of the fires in Oregon and California are search and rescue teams. These are modern urban wildfires kirk siegler NPR news, Boise. This is NPR news. An official at the Department of Homeland Security says, agency leaders pressured him to Dr Intelligence reports in a whistleblower complaint. Brian Murphy also says refused and was then Demoted House Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff says he's asked Murphy to testify before the panel. Leaders of the Union representing pilots at United, airlines have announced a tentative deal to prevent furloughs of almost three thousand members next month and a federal ban on job cuts ends. The proposal is now subject to a vote by the rank and file. Activists demanding more action to protect women in Mexico are still occupying offices of the country's Human Rights Commission. As NPR's Carrie, Kahn reports, the protesters want the building turned into a shelter for victims of abuse the activists Mexico's Commission for Human Rights doesn't support crime victims nor does it protect abused women? The activists many wearing black hoods took over the commission's offices Mexico City's historic center last week the human rights. Commission is the government funded agency but does enjoy relative independence President Andress Mandla, Lopez over and top officials. To Negotiate with the activists administration officials say they respect the protesters and will not forcibly remove them from the building the women defaced several historical paintings in the commission's Office, and through case, files out windows threatening to burn them commissioned employees scooped up the papers and removed them from the street Carrie Kahn NPR news Mexico City Street stocks closed higher today led by gains in technology shares US futures are lower. I'm Shay Stevens this is NPR news. Support for.

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S5 E3: Stranger to the Truth

Uncover

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S5 E3: Stranger to the Truth

"This is a CBC podcast. Hello Hi. Can you hear me now. good okay this is. Michelle Shepherd calling. I actually just went through Canada. Four one one was trying to find any berry typers. I'm working on a podcast straight now foresee and it's looking into Stanley Chebet. I bet he got arrested or something down in the city or something for trying to rape that girl or something yes she was just she just had to smile naked light up through yeah. It's really the narrative that was developing was that she left home in the morning to go to the job at North York wreck but her friends were saying no no that wasn't the case she was going to work as undercover drug operative for for Stanley tip. It was on our radar rate from the day he arrived at Peterborough. We just had a feeling that we're going to problems and sure enough. He wants Hyeon Michelle. It's me Stanley typic- calling. I just wanted to call. I'll oughta again later or possibly tomorrow. Take care. Thanks bye I'm Michelle Shepherd and this is uncover shammy charming chapter three stranger to the truth our they're our banker boxes of documents in the Peterborough courthouse all labels and a black sharpie with the name Stanley Tippett. That's where I came across cross. Mary Pifer Name Murray is now retired and lives in me on -Tario about so two and a half hours north west of Toronto but he knew tip it years ago. They were neighbors in a housing complex in calling Ontario Tippett moved around. I'm quite a bit after leaving the Dawn Mills apartment where he lived one floor below Sharma's family. I went to Oshawa leaving two weeks before Sharm any went missing in the summer of one thousand nine hundred nine a few years later he moved with his family to Collingwood ski town on the tip of Georgian Bay live just two doors down for a family at the and then my neighbor and then Maye unstoppingly we all shame side move church up. He was very friendly anything for you. Bend over backwards for you That didn't last for a couple of years after Army Staff. I remained interested in tip it. ooh I would drive to Oshawa to see if I could find him around town a few times. I'd knock on his apartment door asking if he would talk and he always would. I even told him I thought he had killed Germany and for some reason he would still talk maintaining his innocence of course but even after accused him of killing her he couldn't help himself then I moved onto my tears and beat and became a foreign correspondent respondent so it wasn't until years later when I saw his name in a news brief that I realized he was still on the police radar it was two thousand and five five and tip it was convicted of harassing his neighbour and this is the case where I read about Murray Pifer that he tried to help her yeah well. I I talked to her. I should Stanley you crush on you. I should I wouldn't wouldn't go anywhere in the in the van. I should have heard some strange. Stories Wander taker the Orangeville want her to go for a ride with Murray didn't know Stanley was a suspect in Germany's death. He just had ceiling a bad feeling what does family do. Did you find out that you spoke with her no. I don't think he did anyway but he thought I was after her so when you all do about that right you started flopping tire slashing your tires so you knew it was him for sure. Oh I knew I knew it was him soon as I told him that you've cares I in a pine box. I'd never had no more flat tires. What was it like when you confront them when you said as you said that he's GonNa go pine box. He just didn't didn't he denied that he did it. He just he just kept denying it as as I told him I said well what happens again I should you're going to be the stories. Man Lives here. Police would eventually charged Tippett with criminal harassment of Murray's neighbor court documents state that when the neighbor rebuffed his romantic gestures he wouldn't give up he would quote park in front of a residence and would sit and stare he also made false allegations to the children's aid society about how she treated her young son in the six years between being a suspect and Jeremy's killing and his guilty plea in calling would court documents show that there were other disturbing incidents in two thousand tip it was accused accused of stalking a cashier at a grocery store in Oshawa he wasn't charged but he was told to stay away from her and given a no trespass order for the store in both Collingwood in Oshawa. He continued to tell neighbors he was a police officer after that he moved to Peterborough Dan. Can you hear me okay. It's Michelle your hey. Is this an okay time now. Did you get home. You're on home okay. Okay Great. Dan Smith is retired now he was born and raised in Peterborough and he brought up his four kids there for most of his thirty six years on the force. He worked in his hometown when I hear his name. When did you get involved. You came to our attention because notified when he first moved to Peterborough area because he was already on probation for Stockland another woman nothing call him so he was. He was on our radar right from the day he arrived in Peterborough. We just had a feeling that he was going into problems and sure enough he was the first of trouble came when Tippett allegedly offered a twelve year oh girl a fake job at the Ymca when she told her mom her mom called the police but no charges were laid this idea of a fake job brings back memories of Sh- Armenie Sherman had disappeared on the morning of what was supposed to be her first day of a new job after I'm looking into it. Police determined the job wasn't real and the whole thing was a ruse but these weren't the only times tip it was accused of offering take job he. He approaches this girl in a lineup. I I think at Walmart or something like that she was looking for a job once again new Canadian vulnerable and says he can get her a job at the Ymca and somehow gets around dress. He starts drop off at her house and then he sees her cockleshell trying to get a job he actually got got mad and so you know I offered this position just fill out the application for the job at Ymca and and get you there on you know so he was supposed to take her to a job interview do something she got a little bit suspicious and called. Yeah the YMCA was like No. There's no job openings here. They called the police Belgium wrestles. Jeez what's Guy Du. Police moved in to arrest. Tibbett searched his home and seized his fan. They discovered tip. It was using a fake name calling himself Jason and for eight days he pursued the woman he got arrested for criminal harassment when he got arrested that's when they found duct tape ties ice droughts and all sorts of stuff that you're you know you're kit one one in his van they found concealed knives a hammer under the driver's seat rope plastic sheets and restraints in his home. They found a pellet. A pistol hidden in the basement tip pleaded guilty to criminal harassment and was sentenced sentenced to two years Justice Lauren Chester stated during sentencing that Tippett had designed a sophisticated plan for the fate of his victim. He wrote quote. Yes I guess in a way they're speculation about the pellet pistol hid in the basement and the plastic restraints and the ropes in the back the van yes that might be considered speculation but under the circumstances perhaps it's not a quantum leap to think we are dealing with a situation nation that could have escalated into physical violence against the victim I'm sure this is Kathleen. I'm here to meet Stanley Tippett's lawyer. He works in a non on descript mall in Mississauga a suburb just outside of Toronto Alright so as you know my name is Haig Jerusha and I've been lawyering for a long time called to the barn and -Tario one thousand nine hundred eighty four and I've been doing elements of criminal law ever since Hegde Russia is also Tippett's cousin. He's oddly formal when we talk and we talk for a long time won't Stanley is a person who has been challenged first of all with a syndrome called treater Collins Syndrome and that is a connectik type of disorder so he's born with other members of his family. have it it's not something I have but it is something that other members of the family have and it creates difficulties in hearing with deformed ears it creates difficulties in terms of the appearance because it it makes the eyes look unusual it is in a sense a curse that so much has to carry around with teacher Collins Syndrome. Is there anything else about boats Stanley in terms of his growing up. I I think on the phone you had mentioned that he had some difficulty had been bullied at an early age I am can you paint a little bit more of a picture of his early years. We didn't live in the same community so I would see him at family events and he would be like any other person. You would see a family event. You talk about your life. Generally you talk talk about how things are going but I certainly got the impression that he felt very challenged by by his situation. Relation Stanley is not mentally challenged to my knowledge in terms of you know having low I q but he is challenged challenge because if you if you don't have the background in the ability to get into the college university system that limits at you he has always had to face these challenges and that will happen for him. The rest of his life in this case was Stanley. He says I didn't do it. I'm prepared to assume Stanley is telling the truth and I think everyone should in terms of Shimmy but hake says that's not how the police or the media see it. I can say that he was pursued by the police for years. Following show means murder and and it's her murder is absolutely tragic. Of course it is but what has happened to Stanley because of her murder murder is also terrible because he's a suspect wherever he goes now if he is the perpetrator and and you cannot find evidence to get him convicted in spite of all of these steps. Don't you have to acknowledge that. He's not really really the perpetrator that he is innocent and but he's not labeled innocent by the public because of the newspaper reporting about how he's a suspect and if you cannot find enough evidence to convict sort to charge at least the you suspect that you have at the time and you follow them and you assemble everything you can and six months or a year goes by and you still oh haven't got enough evidence to charge them and five years goes by and ten years goes by and you still don't have enough evidence to charge them. Don't you have to then acknowledge that that you you probably going down the wrong road or that. There's no reason why they should be labeled. This suspect and be presumed to be a dangerous jurist person any long We can stop as the questions ooh well. I went to that school at the end of June. In two thousand and seven Rosemary Hanks was a principal at Saint John Catholic elementary school impeachable where Tippett had just enrolled three of his five children so tell me about that first meeting when you met Stanley in his wife was very uncomfortable will he was fairly aggressive he was he tried to make himself out to be oh very clever and was basically trying to tell me what would be happening and he and he was very dominating of his wife. At this point. Rosemary didn't know anything about tip it. She just had a feeling that something wasn't right. Then she got a call a parent phone school anonymously and said that did we realise who this person was and we didn't and I think the person sent us newspapers or else told us to check online Rosemary read that tip it had been a suspect in Germany's death and that police believe he lured her away with the offer of a fake job and then there was a case in Peterborough in which he done something similar with but she was a nineteen or twenty something like that year old girl that he had a come across in a Walmart I think so we knew that we had to really be very careful around him that he he had this propensity to target young girls so we the increase the supervision of the yard in he was frequently seen on the yard or he would be at the fence looking at watching when was recessed also the staff was not allowed to speak with him alone for two reasons one. I want it to be there. I didn't think it was fair for them to be in that position and secondly he was never truthful so we needed another witness. talked to the police at all during this time of throughout the whole year yes he was always trying to charm his way in with students and and you you would find him in odd places in the school or in the school grounds and widow say you can't be here but it always seemed like he would try to find a way to be in a place so that he could be watching the students. Did you ever hear reports of what he would tell the students. I got a report from a teacher that we had a a Co.. Oh up student from the local high school. The teacher was concerned that he would be talking to her befriending her. We informed the community police officer and when the school board as a result of that we were able to serve a no trespass order. Did he ever preach it. Yes he did. He came one day. He brought a lunch. Supposedly one of the children had forgotten lunch so he came in through the front door and came to the office so a camera. I said you can't be in here and you know you can't be in here so I followed him to his fear. Is it Stanley. You know you cannot come into the school. I don't see what you got very argumentative. Like this is ridiculous. He just became pretty aggressive and then I said no you cannot come and I'm informing the community police officers that you were here but I did take the lunch and took it in but I thought it was just a reuss. He was sent me. He thought of as a way they'd get into the skull. Rosemary had a terrible feeling that when the school year was over it would not be the last time she'd she'd here Tippett. He's incorrigible as far as we could see. He was very deceptive very manipulative and he just. I don't think he can help himself less than a year later. She would hear his name on the news. Another bizarre twist that eight the Peterborough courthouse that's worth thirty two year old. Stanley Tippett made his first court appearance accused of abducting and sexually assaulting a twelve year old girl tips van was found by police Wednesday after it was spotted racing. The court is high school where the twelve year old was assaulted so I got called in the middle of the night so we had a missing girl who had but I'm doctored this is Dan Smith the Peterborough Cop. We were just ability to support an amber alert. Oh we had an idea based based on description because really when people describe Stanley. He's pretty pretty disrupt right. I mean the Red Van and and his facial features he's pretty unmistakable so as we're getting our dachshund role in the morning. They've got our caller on the phone who wants to speak to me. I think it was related to what we were frustrating skating and sure enough it was standing she patched through to my office and and I recognize away and trying to tell me that he had been and kidnapped at gunpoint and his man was stolen then. I want to find a word what I want to get up to him before he could even discouraged to change closer or whatever so our guys started having thought. William Radim according to a court judgment tip was driving home just after midnight and he stumbled upon these two young girls. They were very drunk. One twelve year old was so drunk she needed help help walking tip offer them a ride in his van. He dropped off one girl at Park and then he drove off with the twelve year old. I it was more of a crime of opportunity. He you know he came across these these strong twelve and thirteen year old girls and he and you just pat was like a smorgasbord for Stanley right couldn't help himself. That's how sick is The judge concluded almost from the first moment of a counter. Mr Tippett began to isolate her from her friends by means of lies like unfolding the police and I'll take her to the hospital. These lies enhances ability to isolate her and sexually Charlie Salter Tippett drove almost an hour away to the town of Curtis Ontario there. He stopped at a local high school any parked his van neighbors heard the child screaming no and please and they called police at two. Am Aw one caller said the screaming voice. It wasn't the sound of a young person forcing round when police I arrived at the school they walked along path that separates the school from a wooded area the officer saw van in the school's back parking lot and then a person walking towards the Vin when he shouted police and stopped the the man jumped into his van and drove away to avoid the police cruiser. The van's driver drove over the curb and became airborne in news footage from the scene. You can see broken car parts on the road. The van took off the officer followed speeds reached as high as one hundred kilometers an hour on the sleeve residential streets of Curtis. Eventually the chase was called off because it became too dangerous but not before the officer was able to get the license plate and a good look at the driver he later identified him as Tippett noting that the physical features of his head and face were very distinctive the van it was registered to tip it back at the wooded area outside the school. Police found a child stumbling around. She was confused intoxicated. She had no idea where she was. Her shirt was is torn. She was naked from the waist down as he was being led out of court this morning thirty-three-year-old the three year old Stanley Tippett insisted the judge was wrong tip. It was found guilty inside Justice Bruce Glass pronounced him guilty on all seven counts including kidnapping sexual assault and sexual interference. The lead detective spoke just outside the courtroom after the verdict came down as an investigator. It's it's difficult to manage an offender like him and we're we're just pleased with the verdict today for sure to this day. Tibbett maintains that he did not attack the child yes. He says he picked her up in those early morning hours but only because he wanted to help and he insists he was not only wrongly convicted but he was also a victim of crime. Here's Tippett's version of what happened. He picked up the two girls he dropped off and then he was carjacked by two men and driven around for a bit then the men threw out of the van and they took off with the girl tip. It says he landed in a ditch and had to climb out he he walked for a bit then. He phoned his wife and she called him a cab. Then he took the cab to his uncle's house and it was from there he called Peterborough detective. Dan Smith to report port carjacking so those two people would also know there are two other people that committed this offense not Stanley so that's three people on the planet. This is Haig to Russia again tips lawyer in cousin others in that nobody on the planet I can imagine would no not the young girl because she says she was drinking. Engine not accustomed to drinking. I guess she was basically blacked. Out or still functioning I suppose but has no recollection and cannot assist in describing how it is that she was sexually assaulted. I guess the question is do playful. Wavell in this case was Stanley. He says I didn't do it. I have no personal knowledge as to who did it in terms of I wasn't there so I can't form an information about what happened. Because I was a witness or I was there so I'm prepared to assume Stanley telling the truth and I think everyone should the police found two used condoms inside the abandoned van and the victims closed nearby. I think the judge's decision. Do you think your chances on appeal. Our while DNA was collected. There was never enough to match for anybody other than the victim uh-huh sticking to your car jacking planes in a muffled voice all he said was I told the truth I told you was there ever a moment when he's going through this abduction story that you think okay this is this. This is absolutely ludicrous but maybe like I have to keep an open mind. Maybe maybe there's something to this. Did you ever for just a nanosecond thing. Oh no and I mean I hate to use the term that I had tunnel vision that there's no way but in my view we have so much evidence to suggest that it didn't happen based on on everything this again is retired retired. Peterborough Detective Dan Smith his his story didn't make any sense at all it was just it was so far fetched no-one no-one understanding and knowing the fact every time his lips moved was alive didn't matter must have felt that call that they've been these girls involved Oh my goodness because we knew we knew what he was capable of. We knew you know this man. Damn so dangerous immediately after tip it was convicted of sexually assaulting and kidnapping twelve year old girl. The crown unapplied to have him declared a dangerous offender. They wrote in their application. Mr Tip it is a stranger to the truth as part of his pattern earn of repetitive aggressive and sexual behavior. He lies to his targets his wife. Doctors Children's Aid Society officials police officers and the the court judge no comment from Stanley Tippett as he leaves the courthouse Justice Bruce Gloss says tip it would re-offend if he was ever released from prison that he's obsessed with sex and the community isn't safe. You are declared a dangerous offender rendering Canada if the court believes. It's not safe for you to be released. Even after you've finished your sentence the judge says over the years. TIPPETT's crimes escalated from setting fire into a teacher's desk in the early nineteen nineties to kidnapping and sexually assaulting drunk twelve year old girl in two thousand eight dangerous offenders can apply for parole but it's rarely granted on October thirty first two thousand eleven stanley tip. It was designated a dangerous offender. They don't think he should never come out of jail. I truly don't believe so I think there are there are those that can be rehabilitated and you know but I believe wholeheartedly one hundred percent but man can never we're covering up for them putting people you've been on the force for thirty six years. Have you ever met anybody like him before. They never never have a man like him panned del log on of serious offenders never ally ever come across searching for the when I interviewed Tippett twenty years ago. I knew very little about his past. I was focused on the details of Charlene's murder and his alibis on the day. She went missing. I asked all the questions I could but now we've learned about his crimes both before Sh- armies death and after how there's this pattern of impersonating cops of harassment and attempts learning young women with fake jobs There's so much more to ask him now next time on uncover Sherman. Do you want me to put into uncover charlene. Amini is written and produced by Myself Michelle Shepherd and Kathleen Goal Tar. Our associate producer is Alina Gauche. Audio producer is Mitchell Stewart. Our digital producer is Judy Z Goo Chris Oak is our story editor are video producer is Evans Guard transcripts by Russia Shahada Vara Mata in Carol Park our senior producer of CBC podcast is tiny springer. An executive producer is off mm-hmm. If you like this season of uncover checkout uncover the village for years men were disappearing from Toronto's Gay village. Police said they weren't connected but they were and it turns out. That was only the beginning of this story. Subscribe to uncover wherever you get your podcasts for more C._B._C. original podcasts go to C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash original podcasts.

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My Mouth Ran Away/The Zinc Sink With the Kink in the Link Problem (feat. Alison Pill)

Story Pirates Podcast

33:10 min | Last week

My Mouth Ran Away/The Zinc Sink With the Kink in the Link Problem (feat. Alison Pill)

"Lee here from the story. Pirates and we have got any credible show in store for you today featuring runaway mouths lots of rhyming nachos corpus musicals and very special guest the one and only alison pill all of that and more after these. Quick words for the grownups. Grownups this episode of story. Pirates is brought to you by honey nut cheerios. Turn your good morning into a good day with honey nut cheerios. Good starts with happy hearts. Okay everyone. I'm heading to sunken as a commercial say. The ocean runs on sunken. Does anybody wanna just scary okay. Perfect so what. I'm hearing is that everyone wants a small black coffee got eight. Black coffees salty and kelp juice for meg. Hain it's meghan but thank you for mispronouncing it. The coffee shops back in new york. Do the same thing so it reminds me of home. Oh we also have bulletin boards like this back in new york to look at all these fires. Mommy and me swimming lessons. All dan smith will teach you qatar down here to mile and a flyer. Advertising a show called mother porpoise knows best a porpoise musical nice. I loved the theatre. Wait mother knows. Best a porpoise musical as in mother. Parker's whom i know mother who drove a wedge between me and my star pupil her son traffic making it impossible for me to debut two show with so while you swim a corpus in human joint venture. Mother porpoise eventually came around and understood travis from what he was a very talented porpoise because a lot of trouble along the way. Mother corpus who sat musicals weren't nonsense sector saw. Let's see what else does it say written starring and produced by mother porpoise the only mother porpoise there is yet the one you're thinking of. Were a tab for more info. I don't think so. I'm taking the whole flier. I have to tell the others tennessee. One copy man. Just call me coffee instead of my name. Never mind no time. Look what. I found on a bulletin board at sunken. Hey megan did you tip in sand dollars please poster. It's just a poster for musical but not just any musical it's written produced and acted in by none other than actually i was seriously asking. Did you tip in sand dollars outta we pay for things under the ocean that i knew if basically the materials that goes to university and that are very funny solely pirates How welcome back by podcast. Everyone stories written by kids and turn them into sketch comedy and saw not. Can someone please catch me up on this mother porpoises. Yes eric come with me. I'll try to be brief but it may take a few hours and a feel songs. Okay listeners have you ever wondered what would happen if one day your mouth just jumped right off your face and ran away. Well that's what happens to the main character of this next story. Here's the author to introduce it. Hi my name is ellie. I live in japan. And i'm eleven years old. This is my story. My mouth ran away. Eleanor i'm home. Came on in here. I feel like i've been wearing. These shoes are week on the office. The longest how was way avenor. Are you wearing okay. The three you say anything in place momma let me speak. Maybe you should sit down. And here i can tell you're hungry. So why don't you take the other half of my coker. You eleanor finish half of someone else's go-getter okay but definitely take my phone. You're gonna need it. Took push play on the beat. I just created what i give you the kill. I can only explain one thing at a time. Mom i don't speak for the and honestly i don't even speak for myself for myself. Okay that was your cue to go sorry. I was unclear about the expectation which is also what happened at work today. When i for myself once my mouth ran away yet. It did my mouth runaway boone clock. Let me take you back to about three thirty today in my room. Doing i thought. I didn't want to miss a beat. I made call him travel. I thought it said time travel. It's a beat. I mean about. Tim's trip to jamaica. When i wanna do a time travel thing. I'll just make this on myself like this. Okay here we go. Ooh show happening. Now i ha- about three thirty the perfect time to read my biology book about the body. Okay here we go chapter six the mouth now to get reading with my eyes which i read about in chapter three. How meta random randomness. tim's calling for. Oh it's great. I what's going on. You'll have no idea what you're saying. Hold on. I just got a text from you. It says tim. my mouth just ran away. I'm freaked out. Well how do you think it ran away. I do not know how but it did. This is the worst feeling worst. Ll my bad luck. Eleanor go see it in my doorway. I'm going to run after. Yeah eleanor go. Get your mouth back. Tim go woosh. I'll explain later okay. Third flashback last four. Oh eleanor so mom. That's how why are you pointing at me next. Secure mama just once. My mouth ran away. It did not right away. boom clack what. What does that have to do with you wearing lipstick. okay. I'm how ticket to that. Eleanor got all your text. Telling me to follow you as you ran after your mouth. I can't believe it led us here to the mall. A bad sign that my mouth. Let us here to one of the last relics of capitalism Never thought about that. I was more curious about where your mouth keeps its wallet. What do you think my mouth could possibly want at the mall goes come on. Let's follow your mouth through the mall on some wraparound sunglasses from the shade. Que no time sunglass man. The singular of sunglasses get your personalized magnets. Here as long as your david. Kendra i agree. Eleanor the consumer need for niche novelty drove the market to some wacky corner. Stilman does that's what makes exponent so effective. Give me all hand. No time diamond. Dan you've got kaposi's booth are so close but do we have time to stop and get a pretzel. Julius come on oh wait. you don't have a mouth. It's probably pretty route to be talking about food in front of you right now bad. Let's go your mouth. Let us to the lipstick shop. Of course you'll right. Let's go in the lipstick shop. I see your math to look. It's putting stay here tim. I'm going to sneak up on my mouth. Good luck eleanor. In what do you think of this. A to orangey whoa. This shade is called busted. O.'neil cool eleanor. You've found me. I just wanted to try on some lipstick. You know you haven't asked permission from your mom to start wearing makeup yet. But i just couldn't help yourself. And honestly i look amazing and their shade but okay. I am kind of ready to go back. I mean it's hard to be alone in world. I miss being attached to a phase. And i'm not sure how because i'm pretty sure i don't have a stomach feeling hungry. I've gotta eat something soon. Ooh i'm craving a gobert Okay just let me try on this last shade or a called boone. There what do you think Thanks okay i'll jump back on and here we go. It's back on cool lipstick. Eleanor thanks thanks. It's called orange crushing and it really brings out the warm undertones in the tan. I got on my aforementioned jamaican vacation. You want to grab that pretzel now. Oh you can tim. But it's time i get back home and that's not just lip service i am. I am hungry though. Swum going to just go for it. I'm just gonna you know who should the before you time. Special so mom. That's i'm wearing lipstick. I'm not lying mom. I am so very serious. Oh nor am i in trouble. I think you look very nice now. Let's sing your song one more time so we can make dinner sure. Once did my friend way the end Wow that's can about the porpoise in the room. The last time. I saw mother porpoise. She had accepted that yes. Her son was a star but she was adamantly opposed to the idea of the internet in general now she has a one woman show. We must see her show. We have no choice. And how are we going to pay for the tickets sand heater. Please take this series. no it says. On the poster tickets are three dollars. Each wait really. I know it. Let's just go put on our underwater anti-smoking suits and go to the theater. And yes that's spelled with an r e you sure okay. These are seats. Eighteen through twenty six. I still have my coffee. Anyone would like to share. How did you sneak that in here. I put it in a soup campaigner. And how did you sneak that. I put it in. The show is starting. Please turn off all electric devices and unwrap any hard cowpeas. Now and thanks for coming to see this performance of mother porpoise knows best a porpoise musical. There's mother finishes hot water. mother porpoises. God she's okay. She's megan whatever my life. What is she saying that this is an original story about a father who had good like with her son until one day. A human woman named meghan came between while ideas about performing new. You're not how it happened. No i won't hush because this musical it's about the original story at all. It is an honor story because it was only original. Would it originally well. That's one way to phrase it. Yeah maybe we should wait till after shoes to confront about this help josh. What's happening office has broken. The most important rule of thumb never invest your own money in the show. But yes. That's also important here but no the most important role of the. Don't tell someone story without asking them i. I kind of like what rachel said. You know what. They're both applicable mother. Porpoise you still in my life rights you she said and that's my line. We'll be right back. Hey grownups this episode of story. Pirates is brought to you by honey nut cheerios. the folks said honey nut. Cheerios want to empower families to start each day with positivity. That's why honey nut. Cheerios are made with whole grain. Oats and a touch of real golden. Honey the whole family loves so you can start your morning with positive energy and smile. It's what turns a good morning into a good day. Look for a box wherever you shop for cereal. 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We porpoise musical you loud and clear and she sounds man you listen here. Megan you bet. Listen good because i paid extra for the state of the art surround sound with technology. That's right later in the show. I think about my dream of driving around in a rickety old train car and just seats will bounce all around in an unpleasant way. But you know about that. Because yo- interrupt and mike show just like how you interrupted my life you just swept in like a tornado in tap shoes blowing away everything. I knew and loved a dense all over my dignity. You put big ideas and big dreams in my son's head about singing and dancing in stapling your resume to your head shot and i tried to understand. I thought i understood. But then you left to go back to your ship and travis left to go do a production of hello dolly at the moment marie laboratory in sarasota florida is suddenly. I was alone all alone. I forgave. I accept it. But i never understood now. I'm trying to understand by doing the very thing that took my son away from me. A musical theater play. Trust me. I am not enjoying this. As my mother used to say sorry does no translation not enjoying it. Your onstage are looking at you shouting your name. I haven't experienced something like that. Since i was too loud in a restaurant and was asked to leave making you were so good in that restaurant. S nothing like that feeling well. It's not enjoyable for me. I just like complaining about you publicly for minute. Ads about me. You stone nice story do seem to keep forgetting that. This is also my story your story. Okay i'm sorry but the central conflict of the show revolves around me all h- you recall while this is exactly why i didn't travis getting a singing and dancing lessons from everything always seems to always be abou is though well this time and actually is you listen here. Megan whatever your last name is all right. That's enough of this regret. Thank goodness you're here. Megan meet my lawyer. Soy soya. disunion is disrupting my show. Please take her to caught. Well actually mother porpoise. Megan's arguments is well founded meaning. She's got a reason to be upset. Oh please i never need a reason to be upset. I you sure. Show me the law. That says that lack chill you many but also it's just not a nice thing to tell a story like this without consulting the person it's about i her low. I called the character. Sh- megan i don't know what else they could done. It's all right. Nice link weeping gotta deal. That'll make everyone happy. I doubt it. This is my intellectual property. And i will not stop until we're going to offer you. Three percent of the shows profits up the back end. sounds fantastic. that's a deal. Wades wade's even know how much money that is. I hardly know what any words mean. But i don't care. This is about getting the respect and acknowledgement. I deserve from one. That theodora and to mother porpoise all right to all right the law and my lawyer. Soya may have forced me into. Its but i will apologize to you for using you in my story without your permission. I'm sorry thank you. And i'm sorry for interrupting your show. This is ben so entertaining to watch. Yeah this is the best show. I've seen in years. I don't usually like musicals. I loved some of their purpose. Sounds like you put on a great show. I guess i did and you know what megan felt rate. I feel great. I liked attention. I get it now. How would you like to hop on stage and do the rest of the show with me. Help me tell you story correctly. Are you kidding. i. I've gotta do my to our voices speech warmer. I can't perform truthfully without warming up my instrument. I be back in two hours. I mean hot topic octopus. Hot topic octopus right. While we're waiting for meghan do that. Should we do another story. Here's introducing is the author. I m kili in an unusual been in eight years old and we live in illinois sync with the king in this linked. Call them my brand new zinc. Zinc is installed. Gary did you say zinc zinc. What's that a sink. That's made out of saying why. Yes it is barbara. I liked it. Pink thanks now that that's done. I can get back to whatever it was. I was doing before all this thing has a cake at. Its link your pipe bursts. no i mean my zinc zinc has a cake in its link. I hope i can fix it but now instead of doing that. I'm going to watch tv. You will see the answer to today's problem on the game show. That's a game show back. Do you want to get your zinc zinc fixed. Maybe it has a key in the link of the sink. How did they know then. Give us a call. Those zinc with the game to the league fixtures five five five five five five five five five five five five and we will link. Think think no. Hey that's a good idea. Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring megan rain. I know that but it makes them pick up faster. That's true i think zinc zinc and has a kink in. Its link that. I think wow you sure are in sync you fix six. That's good. i love that fixing zinc zinc with a kink in the link will cost you one gazillion dollars. Okay i'll pay you in. Sync is fixed. You drive a hard bargain. But who will be over soon by. Don't you think a gazillion dollars a bit steep plus fast ding dong ding dong ding dong ding dong. But it makes it go faster. See i'm and i'm joey here to fix seek with link right. This way that sticky pink zinc sync with the king and its link is down the hall to the right. Okay thanks. we'll get right to it. You can just sit back relax and eat nachos on the couch. We will do the rest. He dodgers have nachos can only mean that. I now have to help you. And i don't even know how it's going to be boring and hard i can tell you that. Means the lax giving people free nachos is part of our customer service obligation. Really really really. Also we give people free couches. If they don't account yes i do. Yeah well okay. Here's your we'll get to work done and don't worry we have really bad news. Don't worry i think you're pink zinc zinc with a kink in its link from which you drink. I'm assuming cannot be fixed all man but you can get a new one for only three gazillion dollars to re gazillion phone. Okay here we go okay. The new one is installed. Here's your three zillion dollars. Thanks so much okay. Then baby bye-bye they really were in saint oprah. I love my new sink. And i think we can both agree that this is the most financially sound decision i've ever made gary. I sometimes wonder how you managed to keep yourself from what the occidente gave them. Four billion dollars. You should've taken the free cows right here right now. Lee speaks with the author. I is this bennett and killian. Yes how are you guys wait. So who's bennett and who's killian. I am you wrote the zinc sync with the kink in the link problem. Yeah did you guys write the story together. Yeah bennett wrote the first track down. And i edited on the computer. So what's the difference. Between writing and editing show writing like when someone vite the first draft some other drafts and the editor changes you've seen fixes punctuation and sometimes as were come up with new ideas or just do whatever they want to the story. No it can't be like someone's fighting dragons and then suddenly the endo changes the entire story to something about a blog of q the editors goals to make the story. Better right yeah. It's very cool that you to work together that way. Yeah so the zinc sync with a kink in the link problem. How did you come up with the idea for that story. I like reading about the elements a lot. So i just told his zinc so then i was thinking about things that rhyme with that. Can you describe for anyone who doesn't know. What an element is. It's basically the materials that build up the universe. Everything is made out of elements which are made out of atoms. What is zinc. The element is just another medal. Basically is used in bronze sponges and mexico and zinc. How did you get interested in the elements. I read this book about them. I think and i was wondering about the more. I started listening stuff about them. So cool and bennett. Are you interested in the elements to really it. Sounds like you've absorbed some stuff from your brother. Maybe yeah he's such a news like the good kind right. I can't deny i love. No i knew of leading to to think nerds are cool. I do too. I think it's fun to be. Because he gets a no stuff like learning about stuff is pretty much the number one way to enjoy life. Yeah it sounds like you to spend a lot of time together. We we have a lot schimmel. Louise what happens when you two are making something and you have a disagreement. How do you work it out. We try to find compromise. Something that both people like. You're meeting in the middle. Yeah yeah sometimes that can be hard to do but is it worth it so you can both walk on and you can get better ideas and work on the voice and it's fungible with someone else when you work collaboratively. The thing that you're making gets better. Yeah what's next for you to. What are you working on together right now. I want to let another story called the battle ballot of the salad. Search here for stories. That's called me and obviously the abrupt end of oxy clean guy had an airplane. And then say you are suffering from lack of oxygen playing. By when i say you is. I am so inspired by your partnership. Keep making stuff keep reading. Stay awesome in nerdy. Okay ale you all right guys thanks for talking to me. You welcome you. Walk on by by. That's it for today's episode. Thanks for listening and a huge thanks to today's authors. Eleanor bennett and killian. Before we go. Here's today's stories. Spark kids is a story about the longest celebration of all time. Tell us what the celebration is four. Who is celebrating and why it goes on for so long. What are the weirdest things that happen. When the celebration has lasted longer than anyone ever expected as always grownups amid stories at story. Pirates dot com. Sia next week the story buyers podcast is a production of gimblett media. Executive produced by leo retreat. And benjamin alka. This episode was produced by sam bear. Mike avalon eater mcnerney. Andrew miller begging. O.'neil leo retrea jonathan roberts. Jasmin romero reach ski in limone. Wear recording sound design in vaccine by sam bayer relic room in new york city. Our theme song was written by bobby. Lord range by brennan o'grady jack mitchell produced by brennan o'grady and featuring the beat boxing caleb the lady musical scoring by jack. Mitchell and eric garcetti. Our head writer. Rachel in its key. Staff writers are like kabalan and michaela lawrence and contributing writers. Are peter mcnerney meghan. O.'neil in leo retreat special guests this episode features performances by near boston. Marian brought ryan gyda pond bay delle clarisse. Chris bury patterson. Pristina grow speech. Nick analysts leo. Retrea fear mcnerney jack mitchell megan o'neill austin sanders. Rachel in its key mini. Wear marianne yusufu and matteson bronco. You know that story about the mouth running away. Got me thinking. If i could get my mouth to run away. I finally be able to hear what. I sound. Like on the podcast. Let's just give it a go mouth. What are you say. It worked move boom. Okay lee on the podcast. How about a welcome back to the story. Pirates podcast everyone who and what about. And here's the author to introduce him. Wait wait where are you going. Lee ran away in terror. That's strange. I could hear how i sound right now. Do mounts have mouths. Yes they do and there goes lease mouth. I guess it's just me lease mouths mouth left. Guess it's up to me to and the episode. 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Episode 19 This week we are talking black owned restaurants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Episode 19 This week we are talking black owned restaurants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mayweather fitness I just wanted to show show show some love may whether fitness and boxing? So be on the lookout for that. Coming in the next few months. Well some. People Scorn. We tried the intro video i. don't know what happened. Things happen. This is the that was the first time that anything like this is happening. So this you know it is what it is. as you can see. We are at a different spot right? Normally I'm my bedroom with my little setup. Serena's normal. And Morgan normally is in her kitchen with the with the sink in the and everything else in the dogs barking in the background but guess what? Not this week we are live. From a black on restaurant, we are down at. The dachary shop. Down, here on what it wouldn't grant. Eleventh Grade Eleventh in Grand. So, if you've never been down to the dock Greece shot. This is where we are right now we're broadcasting live this week. The show yet absolutely show is all about. Black mid, West. Black. Restaurant Week and just black restaurants that we're out here to support. So. Listen introduce ourselves this new the low round robin. We don't have a whole bunch of people this week. On the show is just us. So we're excited. We're excited mortgage this year over their solo go ahead and introduce yourself I. Morgan Birmingham. Libraries Switzerland small services team. You can check. Your Mute. It was a lot of good stuff coming out of Morgan but she's new. Louis Benoist. We got. He's more with Nick Continents. Swear one. In our team. This week charities page yours this way this way data on Thursday night talking about your very own for instance, like this always reminder cares act. This Friday if you WANNA trumpet that money and you qualify. All the library. and. Though Dope Dope Serang tops in other CO founder of Porterhouse, Casey and I'm here live at the deck. Got My dachary I've got some Gumbo. Two months zone I'm excited because this is black own restaurant week in we got some restaurants here in effect that's going to be on our video that we are coming up soon, and we got some restaurants that we haven't talked about. But I'm GonNA talk about the after video. Absolutely absolutely and Dan Smith. Porterhouse Casey represent who? Organization created to help bridge gaps four entrepreneurs that come from the neighborhoods that we come from the hurt Michael. Cremona. If you are almost out of the office come holidays we're down here you know what I mean come down here Kevin Manny we he said we should've called you and we we should've called you you're right. So our apologies We're just trying some different. You know I'm trying to pull up do something special you know it is what it is. Hey folks that are tuned in. Shoot us a a comment or alike or a question or just say hi or doing Mo Jia something. Let us know that you are tuned in. We. We are going to go through our our our shoutouts now. Like I I mean it's a little different. So we're we're we're noisy guys hit cars and stuff riding benign street, but this is literally live. Stuff right here. Right. You've got our our camera setup. I don't know if you saw Morgan's Pitcher that showed our background. My backpack is covering the camera because it arranged and all that stuff. Look at that, we could do that. We can do that right now that's history street view. That's what we're looking at right now you see the backpack covering the camera right there. It's Siri is serious business up sent you. will serve Chanel. Ola. And Everybody Event last week argus show last week smell. Yeah. It was a it was a phenomenal show last week when we appreciate you again for doing that I was awesome. So. We can just jump right into shouts. Okay. I wanted to out? Linda's representing score Linda's in. Hey. Hey. Linda. Shot I WANNA shout out my wife for holding down She's doing a lot. She's preparing to get back in school She's a principal if you didn't know of elementary school and so. She is is down Kevin said where we down at the shop down at the Decker Casey dockery shop. You gotTA. Come down if you can't care. Will be here for a little bit also wanted to shout out the duck shop for letting us. Be in the building. Right we're using we're using their their resources. May We appreciate these guys? If you haven't tried their Gumbo obviously the diaries, right? Obviously the decades but they're Gumbel is phenomenal. You just came down here. What did you have when you came down here Morgan. CEESAY, she's Great. Twice a use. These cheesy grocery. Shrimps. Beard. Mortgage talking about something that's off menu. So you gotTa feel special. That's VIP Menu Right Mike. Watson's in the building said, what are we talking about? We're talking about black restaurants this week man we we're talking about black on restaurants. So finish my sats quit. Mid West restaurant week a Joey cuss. They actually had a really another really good show this past Monday I dunno if you've been able to tune in. Barbara Washington was on there. Obviously Joey was on there. There's a couple of the folks that were on there really giving some great insight. So. If you have a chance, go check out the replay on that. Obviously Kauffman Foundation. We appreciate them We are coughing from the organization and the Ford KC We are so appreciative of them. I did a So anyway before going I'm GonNa, go into that but. Chesapeake. Appreciate them for to support and everything they do for us the students in our first. Annual our first. Cohort. PORTA Casey Business Development cohort. Those guys are awesome and talking about them. Kind of leads me into appreciation. I'm sorry guys really quick my shots a little longer. But I WANNA shout out the flex by man. The plex pod is actually. Providing all access service to our twelve car participants for no additional cost to them, and they also they get twenty, four, twenty, four, seven access to the Westport Plex Pie Commons location this opportunity for them to use that space to a idea to go in. If they need to use the printer, they have print services. If they need to use Wifi, they can use a wildfire ever coffee bar all this good stuff. That they that they have is is phenomenal and they're providing that to our our cohort participant. So I. Send a big shots of Plex Pie Gerald over there. They are phenomenal people. So my Watson said when she talks mutual might vice versa we got you. Okay. We don't figure that out. We appreciate that tip we needed it. So we got survivor that's what's up. So my side is Mike watching what's up scenario last week Cynthia I like to give a shout out to my wife impetus place they doing some dough things like to give a shout out to a couple of people I talked to Roy Wilmore. Terrence Ramsey Much I. Like to give a shout out to Jomo Barbecue I like to give a shoutout to. Yeah Joe Moses on the Kansas side and I'm talk about them after the video peachtree restaurant Roy, he gave me the hookup. To put them on our video, whatever. So I got the hookup. Pay For. Food. But the hookup goody. Oh, I went to go talk to you know saying but Yeah, my shot is yeah, I like to thank you for. Doing this yeah. All right. I'm done. So we don't try this now. Got It. Okay shoutouts this week I'd like to give you. Ohio physical location down in the Jazz district also nationwide world leg program. TNT WHO's been a here before a super active with them. They have got some great learning opportunities and it's not the kind of stuff that we talk about. It's we're one but equally important. So check that out just business also economic development and workforce development stuff. My other shoutout today is too key see restaurant week. So we are currently in mid West Philemon restaurant week. There's also a key see black restaurant week that's the local version, and that's the version that helps with the infant mortality rate in the black community. They are fantastic right now go follow them on facebook look at their what they're doing because they are storytelling for black restaurants all year around. So check them out and give them some love to also sick week in September. We're doing this again. Just with more in depth storytelling, get yourself ready for that. I'm GONNA WANNA see everybody's schedules. All. Right. So we just a muted ourselves and returning. Back trying some newsletter, not behind the season Kinda had his words. We try to figure it out the first time we've done the technically done alive on all onsite Brian passed. So trying to figure that out. So we this is that section that time where we talk about flowers, right? And Flowers we've done it. We've we've done it for a couple of weeks now a few weeks now, and what it is, we want to We know that there is a lot of. People doing some really great things organizations that are doing some really great things that do it without? Asking for. Any any appreciation or asking for in accolades or anything like that. They just work hard. At what they do, and they love what they do and a lot of them are doing a lot of good things for Kansas, city. So we do these flower things to to show appreciation right to tell him that how we really truly appreciate them. So again, right now, we are in the dock shop two of the owners of our both owners of the DAX shot actually fraternity brothers of ours. Kinley in Calvin are phenomenal guys. They felt like there was something missing in Kansas City and They brought the data shop to Casey? Right. They had a lot of challenges, a lot of battles as business owners normally do but at the end of the day they they stay fast and forward in their thoughts and everything else that they were doing and end up opening this thing downtown Kansas City, and it has been phenomenal for the city. So I just want to give these guys, flowers man they're doing a phenomenal job down here. If you haven't been to the Casey Dak Shop, you gotta come to the Casey Tack Shop. It's not always about that grease, right? so that creates a good. No I'm. They're good. They're really good I'm not a I. You know this you know everybody has their own thing when it comes to different types of drinks and stuff that they could do. That I'm in that regard, but I love their food right I've had a doctor and is really good but their food is phenomenal too. So I just wanted to kind of throw that out there. So just in case you wanted to know where's that little? Thing. They got they got daily specials, right? They got sides, drinks, wraps, Salads, favorites, baskets, all kind of stuff going on so. Toronto Gumbo. So that's my flowers. You guys got any flowers I. Don't WanNa you know. Do. So I'd like to tell the flower shift should eat a. she is currently working on a project about growing black chefs talking to us about this potential career for them and a big piece of that is archiving your culinary teach, and that's the thing heavy phrase right? Won't it in the world is culinary heritage. So the vow preserving and celebrating the style of food that's been handed down through generations and it's such an important part of our lies so. Chefs you has no. One can see you doing this right now but I think it is so awesome and I know that in four or five years we're all going be like I got it by a copy of that. A love that I. Love S Right. You Got any flowers to go out there. I like to give a shoutout to not shout outs flowers. Okay. I'm just trying to clarify. His shout outs but. I. Would guess goodies. I like to. Flowers to Sheila Johnson providing community of ways of cooking at home, and I think really. So we still haven't gotten are invited to report. On it, I'm just letting you know Sheila knows so I've caught her out of times about it. So I'll love I can't wait to get on the show I can't wait. I can't wait Katie posted she said, yes. Hi Friends have a huge list of black owned businesses including restaurants sexy put the Lincoln there and as true market collective. Put over here so they could see oh yeah. My bad. I got I got this opportunity. Got This thing that I just forgot all about when we go live is kind of weird. It's different. You know what I mean and then Kim Heron Kinley strictly and one of the owners of the shot. gave us a heat calm i. mean he Emoji so we appreciate that and then we just had like five or six people just walk down the street and as if they could do a freestyle on it, there's there's Forte George. Forte walking by of a where the fitness. But we just had like four or five war by and they wanted to freestyle rap for Y'all but we told him no, not not. Just, let you. We. got. There there's there's Kinley right there. He's. He's in the background he's in the background. Awesome. So we want to jump into the main form. Sharon created this really cool video and I hope it plays not like the other video that we just had intro video. Played All we did is. We actually. All. Went so Morgan Chiron's Ryan's family. You can give a shout out to the folks that went. In, and Swat videos. Sheila West She went A. valuate a bar and grill. and. Elevates what I say you. So right. So right now we have Reggie. Gray with his restaurant he's going to be on a video talking about it. So y'all going to see that. Awesome. Awesome. So we're GONNA play this video. A little bit and highlight some of not all of some of. Katie says she can appreciate that she can hear Morgan's incredible laugh other room. She's actually she's actually in the same room. So that's why you hear so good. So we're right next to each other. Optics optics. But But yeah. So we're going play this video really quick. Highlighting some black on restaurants we are really excited about. About this because there was a lot of. Input and a lot of folks that actually did good work on this initiative with the video together which we excited about, and then we're gonNA come back and we'll talk some of our experiences. In some of the restaurants that we have talked about ruby jeans, wings, Fe Blue, Nile Blue Fees, the deck peachtree cafe just few. So here let's let's through the video. More. Money. GRUBBING. Entrepreneur looked. Last call. Something or Him City restaurant you. Good. Well. I invested in last. Year in. It's called. Wound look? This is. Usually from Venice. In they've been. Over twenty years. The. On. Location and ESME. Russell Watt. something. Front. And we have. Who of sensual South America? We are Don. T. 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Think. Right, all right. All right. All right. Let's back Bryce we are back. which I think about the video. TORONTO DID UP. A little sunken selecting. So what'd you think about that food that you saw shrine witchy eating right now? Insult. Out from dockery shop and it does look good I can't lie. It does look this the right spice on Oh to leap like spicy food. But Man I, one of the Rice Faisal tear up every time I come here. If you're just joining us, we're doing a little something different. This week we are because it's Midwest Black restaurant week we decided we're going to go live from some Blackthorn Restaurant Casey Dak shot and then also wanted to highlight. Some of the other black restaurants that are here in the city. There's a time that we haven't city. So if we miss a few actually, you know what? If you're in the comments, throw throw your favorite all restaurant in a comment. So we could see everybody else can see who you guys think are some of the better black restaurants here locally in the city again mortgages Shaw. Since you or or Turner camera around to show you guys what the street view looks like has we're literally right here on the street. So folks walking by and saying, hi, in one of the freestyle rapping do all that stuff so Throw. Those restaurants in the communist we want to see what your who your favorite restaurants are. Morgan can you? Who's WHO's a another restaurant I know we talked about The Casey, Dak. but what's another restaurant that s kind of on your list as a one of the best in the city That is such a great question. I was like typing it into the comments you ask. Still I in. So excited to visit massage. So it's a little bit different when we look at. Black Culture in Kansas City, we have to realize that not all food is the same within that different people have different styles, different culinary heritage pieces of that and Musab rings a Caribbean in other to that. That you're going to get different dishes with very different ingredients. So if plant canes. Are. A part of what you're interested in, you're going to want to go to opt for that. So particular height. You guys the pleats. Sometimes I'm eat a hot done with that hot dog to be in a paper boat and that is what I I mean slobby. And I'm just GONNA I'M GONNA eat it stayed in the street because I love some food trips. Sometimes beautiful presentation accused the city does not disappoint for that and you can find that in the Saab and you can also find that it's worry statehouse increased her house. So. Chef Anita. Has Been Doing. Some desserts. That will not your socks off. So we already know it's going GonNa taste good, and then she liked builds building in this individual little serving in the not only their first three months I been there several garnish is involved. Have that experienced during this week do your food trucks those see Ronny Hansen, in his feet in also the see chef Anita and get some elevated food because there's room for all the things. I, love it. I Love I. Love IT I love it so Linda said me too and then she said Urban Cafe Urban Cafe they they serve like I've I've had. They have a Bagel. Sandwich, which was phenomenal and they serve it on a woodblock that they bring it out to you would block and I thought that was like. Like when we talk about presentation of, but that was a cool a cool piece of a presentation. They actually are on seventy. What are they on? Their own A. Somebody KC on by on by Truce Casey troops I'd look look them up I gotTa do address somebody in the commies if you throw urban urban cafes address out there and then also Address out there just Google it, copy it, paste it in the comments we appreciate it. We're trying to do a couple things. We're trying to navigate this thing. Okay. So we appreciate trauma. You think it's a couple of restaurants that I forgot to mention smacks restaurant over there by eighteen. what's the one do cows. They nightlife they have some good food in there they wings. Is Our another one across the street that was actually on the show. was. I don't I. I'm not sure about the new name because they changed the name, right? I forgot in don't. Hey don't blame it the heart. Lame. Okay forget names and all that stuff please. I. Mean The food was still great. But blamed the head, not the heart because we appreciate the food so. Anybody else that you can think. Jazzy these. That's Jazzy B's Barbecue Morgan said that was she's on mute, so we really couldn't hear. You say that. and so one of my favorites ruby jeans. I go there I usually like all the time but this is kind of dependent on where I am in the city. But Ruby jeans is is phenomenal for me always get a smoothie Get. I. Get a smoothie. I used to get the the ball couple balls. They had to have a sweet potato ball, which is phenomenal. That has greens and sweet potatoes and as a Turkey sausage to be added. To it and it's. Phenomenal. Blue Nile. I don't know if you've heard of the Blue Nile. But. If you haven't heard of the Blue Nile. Some draw which you know. Down, here in river market areas. Okay. Fifty Fifth and truce. Thank you Cynthia. And Cynthia says we're eating brown sugar and dick and chicken are rows sugar chicken donuts right now. And that was featured with Morgan Morgan wants US fire. It was Nice Morgan. I was jealous Morgan Diego to that spot and understand that semi pitcher Cynthia guy send some pitchers got. Put a pitcher in in the comments section but put a pitcher some you're eating in the comments section. The Blue Nile, they have eat the obedient eats. I normally go during lunchtime when they had a buffet style. So I haven't eaten down there since covy but before Kobe they have a buffet style. Eating where they had a ton of phenomenal. Eat that come. From. You know. At a different place right and. I'm going to be honest with you Michael Wong put me onto them. Right Michael said this is a place you gotta go eat and I just I couldn't I was like you know what I don't know about this European food I don't know as spicy. Spicy really well and other good stuff but at the end of the day. Phenomenon. So. Go Try. Blue, Nile like I said, it's in the river market area. It's phenomenal. So we got a couple of other Cynthia, put the. Restaurant's address in there some thirty six broadway. Thank you so much Cynthia urban cafes, confident truce micro Michel. Cremona said they did Jiji's Vegan cafe yesterday and she has a mushroom patty. Burger. He said I'm far from Vegan. But May. Okay. Man Falls on it and I got you understand it equal. Monica man how could I forget equal mighty cafe I actually get vitmain look look what look what Morgan has right there Look at that. Look at that Morgan what is that? Your your arm you you're new. So let me. What is that? That isn't you can sell it and Dak shop with Caesar dressing you got these high quality to concerts selling you about and then also the eggs tomatoes the cheese, the lettuce here's the deal. I could not gain the covid nineteen or the Kobe, twenty-five five, which is also the thing. Because I've been eating a ridiculous amount of vegetables I, eat a half a pound of green vegetables every day, and that's how I've been gone to. Still I need to know when you go to a restaurant, they can offer me a green vegetable option in although you can't see their screen vegetable almost food. Absolute. Though that is phenomenal. Phenomenal. So I'M GONNA go back to equal cafe really quick because Equal Mighty Cafe I've had lunch there a couple times and I had a vegetarian I had a Veggie wrap there and then I had something out there and there was a little long a little while ago. But the veggie wrap was fee. Nominal. Equal Mighty cafe is on forty third and troops actually have a coffee shop in there as well So you can go in obviously mask on. And have coffee. You can eat we actually eight in I mean in the in the spot so. Really excited about equal minded cafe. Shanty. Said blue is everything yes it is. Yes it is and then Cynthia said it was too late for pitchers. She said. She says she'll post a picture of the empty plate. Suppose the pitcher. Pitches a pitcher. You know a speech words volumes, right? We appreciate So. Again. Doing something different. This week we we decided we were going to hop on. Black Restaurant Week Bandwagon, right. So we appreciate the restaurants allowing us to hop on the Black Restaurant Week van wagon and we are. Live at the dockery shop. Again, the Dak we got. Dockery's over here. We got salads over here. We Got Gumbo over here and then. Julius fannies African Crew Zine on forty first intrusive. is a favorite as well. When you think did you have you have? You had had some fannies? I now have fantasies yet, but we have had a resurgence of African food in Kansas City lately. So not only do we have any now we also have my village. And we've also got a really great name lady named Lawrence Influence recently started a trip. Go. No problem. Just a moment to talk about you treks in Kansas City do not leave them out of this discussion. I'm. GonNa. Litchi. In a little secret. So the way food trucks work during Kovin you in your neighborhood. Good together. And then you do a pre order and the food trucks shows up and then they text you in your is ready in already paid for it and they family size meals. So you live in a good neighbourhood, take advantage of that because it's a really great way to like social distancing your driveway wave at each other you play your music, your sidewalk chalk art. It's a raiwind come together in unity, but also be see. And get food that's more than two miles away from your home, which can be a challenge right now. So think creatively and take your future because they're part of what makes the City Green Love. It And they had their also said equal mighty cafe has really affordable event space Ama-, Wife said Dan Smith you into a lot of great restaurants without me. A So. So what happened was a so what had happened was on lunchtime you know when it's time for lunch, you just gotTa figure things out I should be calling me out like that on public TV like this this this and this not public tv I'm just but. It's true. I have been to a few places Blue Nile did without the wife I did equal minded cafe. Without the wife. To, go on Ruby jeans a few times without the why What about what about peachtree shrine which you think about? Peace I'm a little bit about my history with peace. I used to work at the one. When was a restaurant on eighteenth divine I was a waiter there remember a couple years. For about four years and I got great tips, but he's always treated me like family. Making. Some good. Peachtree was always a family to me, and I, always adore everything that they have a gave me. So I always throughout history in a food is amazing. So you gotta try them down a street. So. homeboys named networks down at twelve through terrence. Tense. Tarrant sees he's down there. He's down there. Look tennis is awesome and he's he's adult cat man. I Know Sharana Guy Story for days. For the Peachtree I think who'd you meet you met? Kareem Abdul Karim Abdul Jabbar. Halwa. Willie mays Willie mays was. He was there all the time Collard Greens and Candy in. America that that's what he used to always get. Who is it was his name Buck O'Neil? No No. No. What was the drink Amee. Arnold Palmer. Time, saying Arnold Palmer. I've. Just said rules. It is through my wife will tell you. We down the Kabo and that's all I was trying to order was arnold. Palmer and I couldn't see I for the life of me but an hour. Amazed. I'm just saying. You're woods is. Linda says fannies is fantastic food and fries spinach is the best. Okay. All right. So so we got some food dacians. Now we gotTA write that down. So whoever's out there right now who food and Fried Spinach From Fanny's we gotta try. that. Amy said. She loves the PEACHTREE. Forgot, nieces, macy's NACY's okay. I, nieces? Nieces from me used to be like the after hours wings from. Like the it's. And then I've done some breakfast at Nieces and whatnot. So. Yes. So what about Wings Cafe Have you? been the wings say. Okay what do you think about wingstop fun? Wings cafe. He readily as an individual one of the most awesome people in this city rate like smart talented and was like I know what I WanNa do I WANNA get into the food business because the profit margin is five percents So he creates these fantastic restaurants and then he did an amazing thing, he moved north of the river. And it turns out you don't even need a passport to do business. There is just across the river and it's still Kansas City Missouri. So thank you as your back and cheese. You're having a donating catering items too early nonprofit. tastic. I will say that too we just went to Wings Cafe Yester- day before Sunday whenever that was me and the wife went to Wings Cafe and she had their Mac and cheese for the first time and I was like Nah, I can't I can't do everybody's cheese right like you can't do ever, and then why said you gotta try this Mac and cheese and so we tried to Mac and cheese and MAC and cheese was phenomenal from wings cafe. So I will say shout to Z. Out to the Wings Cafe folks For that and then Morgan's going to talk about. Shanti USA her mining me about Matty's foods. Okay. So winner of the WHO Trek face off in twenty eight. MATTY's truck. It is Vegan chicken can yes. You can. Even if you're being they've got it. They are taking care of you so. Hats off to the city for all the amazing black-owned Vegan businesses right had saw you guys are. If, you have not had the chance to meet. Arbor leash in India for Maddie's do it because those are two awesome people very entertaining show with your Vegan Nachos and not only are they doing these great snack foods it's comfort food and at Siegen they're also starting with some breakfast and it's amazing beaten cinnamon rolls. So ladies thank you for doing what you do because we needed you. Though don't go so. we showed the video. We've talked about it. We talk about Lucy's. No we'll talk about movies lose in the video, but they fried catfish always get the family catfish they always I want to say Hook me up Dan big on not saying Hook alleyways. Decent size of cafes paid for pay for and I get. The Catholics I get the macaroni I, get a collared Greens and I get fries and Fried Okra and my little ones go crazy over to Catholics. See my youngest is actually allergic to fish and SORTA wife, and I have to sneak fish into the house and when we do sneak fish into the house, it's normally from Lou fees. So I just wanted to say you know Lou out views, 'cause they. They do a phenomenal job, but not only do they do a phenomenal job but they've been here for a long time right there. They're one of our mainstays, Jonah kind of like not as long as as as gates but still. A mainstay in the city. So that's one of the places that you need to go. And support for sure and then we didn't talk about gates either like. There's so many that we could be talking about like gates. So many places I mean. I couldn't I couldn't even pick them all I was like. I even in go by list I was just going by the ones I went to so many that dome out there if you know of any limits, no some I e gates sausage like they have a sausage do. Is Is is phenomenon I'm not a huge. Guy. But the sausage from Gates is Is Is. Are. Any Anyway Anyway anywhere. That's like not liking. What do we have? We have fountains everywhere. That's like not liking fountains in Kansas stuff is that it's not A sacrilegious. So any other restaurants that we didn't talk about that was kind of my. Any any other restaurants that we didn't cover. That you guys enjoy. My PR person is sending me a text message. Got To figure out. I, got anytime. Pr. Person seems to me something. But I'm not ignore that when I'm not even GonNa pay attention to that when I'm just letting you know. Did. You see that ignored your text message on live on facebook live I'm just letting you know. Don't be me up when I get home apartment I was just I was. So. Yeah. Any other restaurants that that you guys can think of really quick, I? Think we hit them all. Okay. So what I would like to do if we can switch this up a little bit. Actually Kinley was coming our way. I was actually going to ask Henley to come in here and say a couple things really quick and he's walking outside Kimmel I want you to I want you to say something really quick. I want you to come talk to the family really never gonNA put your camera. We put cameras come on in come on. All right I'm going near you wanted to. Talk a little bit about restaurant What's Rossier. Will along with you did a great job of kind of hinted pasta other debt job. How started how wide can't see it so All I will say to answer that was that. It was important for us to read something new and different to the right and I think that. As we're in the midst of black restaurant week. Midwest. We that The highlight is on the the artistry, the culinary talent, all these different things that sometimes get overlooked when you think about a black on business, a restaurant because people have preconceived stereotype rest if you know. So important for us to to deliver something to the market. That was unique but deliberate in a way that. They had not seen before in the mid West. And then also if they had seen it in the war liens. With this experience. So we gave people a nostalgic feeling on one side, but also a fresh experience on your side of you had not visited new about the pulsing so. I. Guess. For us. That was a key component in. Time to decide whether or not we we successfully agreements Off. What we Our you put. Into the city. Because it's necessary needed. Beyond. What you guys doing appreciate you guys for. Set of. I'M The worst. I love it. Love it. Love it. Love it so Big Sports. Would you got is important. So we feel like anytime we can partner with you. Less than it'd be great for us our rent. You got to. Have a coach. You GotTa have a conglomerate commuter. What you guys do several different fronts is build community. We appreciate. Recent. Now, Talk Reveals Prima. So We about. The duck shot in Kimberly and Calvin. The, the movie Queens limit came out to theaters and me and my wife went to go see movie and and there with the theater was pretty much empty. It was bear When we went to go see this movie and we thought it was a phenomenal movie was well put together lean away did a wonderful job the actors and actresses in the movie were phenomenal so we couldn't understand why. The theater wasn't packed right So we wanted we felt like we needed to do something. Right? We needed to do something. We didn't know what it was, but we needed to figure something out. And so we came up with is we wanted to a theater we wanted to rent theater out. In gives tickets to folks that we felt like would appreciate seeing this movie and packed theater out for optics, and then also to support the movie, the movement and everything else that was going on queen and Slim, and we came to Kinley encounter here at the dock shop and we asked him like, Hey, you know this is the goal is what we're trying to do and they were one of our sponsors of that and so we were able to to rent out a whole theater over in the More Parkway Mall we rented out of theatre. We had a a packed house. We actually had a panel discussion afterwards which was all love and it was rich and it was phenomenal. So. Again the relationship is, is there it goes beyond. Just. just friendship man. We really appreciate these guys and what they do for us and yet so. there. So we're GONNA wrap, it up. Rapid Any last Morgan since you're over there. I've always got less thoughts always. So. We're talking about having a good food and that's what's Nice. Discussion was about but if you scraped out about three layers. You really start to see the archiving of culture through food. In? One everybody to realize that we're like, yes Shuqing tenders. ooh beans and rice yes. UCS absolutely all those things. But take it seriously too because tourism is a jain normal business and Kansas City is a great place to eat and drink. So when we see ourselves on the news except for when they showed the ozarks during Komen nothing. But when we see ourselves in the news or we know the tourism is a big topic and that it's really going to need our help in the next year. Think about how you talk about. Your city. and. Always have things to celebrate in your back pocket because I don't care where you from. You come to Kansas. City you're GONNA have time. A you could spend days just eating things here. And Kinley did a really good job of suddenness up. There are things that black restaurant culture in Kansas City has to offer and we need to spend more time digging into that and celebrating that in learning how to tell other cities about that. The storytelling is not where it needs to be so. Show your Casey restaurants in love. Order curbside help and tell their story you got agreed post. Don't like it share it. Help, get this story out there because we have so much to offer not just the rest of the nation, but the world waited comes to eating injury. Awesome things. So also before shrines to his last. Closing thoughts I see a shot they said or not liking barbecue and being from Kansas City. Well. That's a thing. So. Is it is a thing avenue and Tarsha said e Embi, wings and express. And then she also said L. C.'s. Barbecue. So I think that we put. LC's in the in the video L. C.'s Barbecue you know Anthony Barr Don came here burden verde or Verde came here some years ago and did a barbecue tour and he said I think he said C.'s barbecue was his favorite barbecue place. He went to some other places I'm not gonNA name them. But said they were to clean. To be a barbecue place, he said L. C.'s was what barbecue was about here in Kansas City. He didn't go to Gates because he had been the case before. So he had new gates was had to offer but he said, l., C.'s was was his Goto. After and so I think you'll probably look it up on youtube or something like that. When he came Kansas City barbeque in did a barbecue tour. So that was kind of cool. You got. Your thoughts I last thoughts food is made from the. So you know when you when you make food happy you are going to be happy and sip your waiters and waitresses. If possible are whoever's there tip 'em will be positive. Always always say that and that's it. That's my my thoughts. Though no no, I'm not. I mean I wish I could be introspective but. It's not. True. Introspective. But I will say that we? We love. Supporting. The folks that support our communities and these black restaurants definitely support our communities right a poor the heart blood sweat and tears into these businesses and obviously were cove. It has made the community that more important community support that more important. So, if you haven't visited these restaurants in the past even if you feel like. Because of of covid or because of social unrest or because of whatever that excuse or reason as let that, be the excuse reason why you actually go and support one of these businesses because at the end of the day financial support post about it any anything that any kind of awareness that you can draw bring to these restaurants Imagine it all matters. Okay. So From the porterhouse KC. Square one business services we appreciate you for tuning in. Until next week. Thank you how. New Kim style, pretty style love. Fidel see. act. I'm. Hoping every. Make more you could shift like keyboard. Like a paradigm of keyboard running all the hobby read. FREE CARICOM, but I. Really. Put a pass on the east coast. degree.

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"<music> everybody walking episode thirty four of gained my mom found i mike alberton and who were or the assassins with me tonight. Smile as what is the truth. Stewart joke is via. Let's put a smile on that face not really emmanuel everybody that was pretty funny the matt and emmanuel do you wanna give a quick shot where people might know you from people. Maybe know me from the overblown group where most of the people that come here are from yeah. I'm the guy with a lot of names emmanuel leon santiago rodriguez or in spanish. I'm on for all you spanish. It's lifting people aren't they. Are i mean besides me <hes> your name. It's like no stain no and <hes> also from my youtube channel the mystery room you can find it on youtube dot com slash x. or at church that t._v. Tonight as the mystery room and there will be a link to show it also kate. Can i will forget. I'm gonna plug. We have a podcast. I wanna plug for a friend of mine. Vaal be next to nothing show about your money and gaming hosted by twitch streamers danny kaye and in renaissance. I might have put your that you can catch them on twitch and they're also be in a podcast and there will be a link in the show notes and i think we should get onto the show. I think i should introduce what lovely piece small fun-loving game i. I picked out for the for this episode lovely very very lovely. That's not the word that i would use is that it wasn't my i i would i would use the word we weird is perfect for this game but i wanted to be sarcastic. We're playing killer. Seven the capcom game made made by grasshopper grasshopper that came out in two thousand five that makes fucking no sense at all grasshopper manufacture. I think yeah i didn't want it manufacturer sauber manufacturer in i believe playing a picture to god damn known as the company that <hes> go easy pseudo for and run yeah weird dude. That's odd. I just go home suda at a actually played this backing game. That's why i picked it because i never finished it. I never got past <hes> act three or mission three. We'll talk. We'll get more than that but i'd never gotten past this. I've always wanted to go back and play this game and went to pick for the show. I picked it back in like marcher march. I think march or april back and we lost planet when i picked this and i did not unrealized what i was thinking. When i put it on the show i did not realize we're playing another survival horror type game. No no my no i. I refuse to call this game bible horrigan. They call it action adventure rail shooter. I actually have some survival. Horror has has four elements. We'll say i would call more of a trailer. Instead of horror. Show goes down my spine. I can't see him. Where's he where's he. This is called. It's it's weird yeah. It's it's a weird. It's tactical weird action game. What's the metal gear solid won <hes> technical espionage action. Yeah tackle weird action baby. That's what we're rolling with. Oh and before i forget we'll be spoilers for killer seven but that doesn't mean anything because even whatever we say we'll make any sense to you hurt the game any also there might be a lot of obscene language and some this might be more explicit explicit solvent because this game. Oh yeah hideyuki awarded 'cause i mean we swear but this one might be a little more than normal all going rogue baby. This is actually the second a capcom game. We've played the first beautiful jail surprised but yeah. I don't like we mentioned on that. The episode what it should for the capcom five is really the capcom for because one of those never never release fortunately but <hes> <hes> piano three beautiful jail live savon resonate for sal which are great game worth playing piano in three won't be on the show. I can almost guarantee that 'cause. I don't wanna play that again that means. It's definitely going to be on the show now own it. I played it. I beat it years ago. Uh-huh i forgot it existed until i was reading about five wasn't the fi the fifth one that never released dead cenex. It was going to be like a the three d shooter thank you it was like it was mixed me like like an arena type shooter and it just never got released. I can't remember who was working on a woman who was working on it. <hes> <hes> i know so little about venus. I knew somebody search. I didn't fucking i'll talk. I can talk heuer looking at up. <hes> one thing i wanna ask what system that. We all play this on i. I'm pretty sure i already know the answer. I'm gonna ask anyway. I play this on p._c. They just released a steam version of this. The eighteen would just game worked great a mouse in her van. No i'm a goddamn unionist. The capcom five fucking capcom made it god damn it. I wonder who made this the team. That's that's such a metal gear moment. The thing is that neither michael ride we catch that and we just let you rowett. It did make dead walk straight of metal gear. You find something with like oz. Lots neighbor inside of have you know like muslims could have dropped this way. Weren't you saying like last week. That chris does that with umbrella. Who all the time yeah every attendance single time. There's like a computer with an umbrella logo and he's like these computers more. This is strange correct. Every time your resume game we start calling on you. Stuart redfield redfield. Oh my god he ever for s s. kennedy stewart kennedy leon stewart kennedy about stuart chambers. You can be married to revoke chambers. I take her name doc. Just got p._h._d.'s making she's making bank. Were considered the s._a._s. Back and she's not putting yourself in danger. She's not anymore more. The games released a trophy husband. That's at home like worrying all day long. Just call me whereas rebecca. I haven't heard from her in two years. She's been kidnapped but yeah. I also played it on on the p._c. But we're controller mike because i don't play games if i don't have a controller on my hands perfect with the mouse with amy when i played back on gamecube i could never hit hit the little critical spot but with a mouse stash missed a lot but you know i hit him sometimes yeah hit. The head of the critical spot is easy. Ones who give consummate enough power ups locks those babies and you're like boom done you know i heard that a lot to conduct so many times oh but also played on the game. You got my old. I've got an old <music> gamecube hidden in my in my closet that i pulled out and set up and i still have a district. I've had a disres- killer seven. I've never actually like sat down and played the role of it. I played through. I think i played a little bit of a long time ago and i've seen friends play it and i have it. I just never sat down to like like really really give it a go and boy did i this time i the glory of the show. We play stuff that we would have never played otherwise otherwise exactly because i would never ever ever played this game. Don't feel that. I don't think i mean i when i posted about it. Asking people not adult. Now people have played this before. Some people knew it but it just it's such a cult classic type of game. Now i mean i was just happy that he got re released on something gene more current like on p._c. Even though we all doesn't realize it's on p._c. She'll ask you to hit game controller buttons so that's that's it yeah. Hey i have no but yeah but he's in a lot of like really bad ports do that like there's a ton of games ported and still we'll have like press x. Do this and i'm sitting here with a keyboard like the ex f. G. is an ex no ex- ex- that would make sense i really i thought you were gonna play this on on p._c. Right to know he's had it for game. Cube up still got my game. He was like i was going to play it on p._c. And i was like you know what i have my gamecube i might as well pull it out and and play this like it was needed your game in two weeks so we read yeah. I shouldn't put it away then well. That sounds like this game. You're right. This game does have a cult following it is i mean all suited games tend to have that. We're following them. Some deserves some. Maybe maybe not so deserve rahman. This is one of the most fucked up once. I think he has played. I think that mean yes in my mind that means. It's definitely deserve sir. This is for those who don't know this is just such a a weird odd like how how do you introduce the concept of a suda fifty one game like he's not making games for for everybody. He's making very very slim audience. I mean you you kinda can into those people to at least no more heroes until the may. It's the star wars but of course or something. You know like it's a lightsaber. He's like one of the fatal frame games. That's one of the more odd ones like the best way i can describe it as he did lollipop chainsaw and that's his normal game you know that is so true because i was talking through my two best buddies and we were talking about that. I was gonna be on this episode like you do know that lollipop chainsaw so as probably as most normal game right. It's not bucks. Chainsaw isn't that weird of a game compared to what i just played killer. Seven you know playing like michigan from hell and they go play lollipop. Chainsaw chainsaws downright rounded came like yeah yeah this makes sense. I understand this game like albee's and disembodied heads but what who doesn't do that and you know i played got channel his damn by about a a year ago or so in that game is pretty strange but not nowhere near killer seven. It's kind of i mean you kind of how it works like. This game is is a third person first person action game depending on what you're doing and everything feels like the way you move on a rail. We'll get into the mortar character but you do you hold down a two run forward run to an intersection and then you can go left or right or look at items that they want you to look at and everything's in third person and then when you pull out your gun if you hear era who and what your gun and you see tiger and then you'll you'll see something coming towards you. It looks like he's wearing stealth stealth camouflage. You have to hit a button to scan them and then he reveals what that <hes> heaven smile what they're called and that sounds like it's like a whole process but you just try to get used to the hitting every time it just becomes second nature yes and how. How long did you guys <hes> you know. Took look to get used to that. It took me a while. It's like <hes> like when i play for those who don't own a dragon age. Inquisition is like a search spun well flash like justin stuff in the area and it makes a little soon noise and i got used to that like it's the same thing for me where or i'm just i get so used to hitting that button every five seconds that i just don't like your just start forgetting that i'm doing. It's yeah it became like for me it. It was a right click on the mouse so i would just hold space bar. Pull out my gun right click and then just start shooting. I'd say like the first couple battles. I had to keep reminding myself and then i was like yeah yeah. I don't like i might as well have have like a macro button said was like scans ganz. Can where are they it. Yet is the the only thing that i didn't get used to because every time that booted up the frigging game it was a controlling actually controlling the character and making a move. I would go from playing something where i can move the character with the left a joystick just going there and standing like why isn't the controller working wait. I have to press. I have to press a to make him walk like kind of confusing every single time guys you know. Take me a little while and once i got it i got it. It's on it's like played. We played lost planet and that had like a very odd controls charleston but like even lost planet. You get used to advance brickley. This game is just like your whole life having to hold down a button to move forward is so strange like even resident unbelievable. Isn't that odd. No it was very strange controlling. Take i mean i. It took me probably most of the first mitch before. I finally got a hang of what i was doing. I got blown up pretty early on a couple of times. I just went to a room. Just couldn't shoot anybody and just got blown up real fast and had to go here on the cleaner. I pimpri clear. I'm not a killer cleaner. Yeah sure anything like is smith. Gosh so you kind of say the stories and we got injuries. How the gameplay is probably going to do that. I remember watching she videos. I i'm going to do the basic so you play as parman smith who is not human by the way but we'll get into. That's already wrong demi-god pretty much. <hes> you know my shows into account or my head cannon that i do my stupid that i do in my shows. I have a a like a mythological <hes> old man coleman jenkins where he in every single game he reincarnates into a new character in the leading off so let's the old man that gives you the the sword in this same harmon. He's a jump god old man jenkins's harmon so what's that just fits into the laura of killers avenue. Exactly that's total sense kind of dog. I mean he's a demi. God god who took these people who he's got a wheelchair with a giant sniper rifle and you'll see him periodically throughout the game and different things you only play them in very few parts for a storyline part storyline region yeah. I did not bother with that. Let's not let's not talk about. Mentioned in the end is yeah sounds good to have you have harman smith and then you have the seven seven seven other smith's he can trans seven other personalities. He can transform into and you don't really understand what's going on you. Don't you just think he has seven personalities who doesn't make any sense. That's yeah that's presented immediately like this is normal. This is how this game operates nobody questions and women and that's how that's how this game plays and that's how when you switch to different to seven different assassins not including the wheelchair guy who wanna play as each of them has a different weapon when guy had different weapon in their different <hes> different special power in different styles that they play because every every weapon weapon is very different in how it's gonna shoot and how you're gonna speed you know they. They all have special things they can do all special powers they all have some. They're better against certain enemies like dan smith one of the kind of like maybe they'll be <hes>. <hes> orange shot chart shots pretty useful collateral. I i use them. I i like concept. I use kong miss all the time i dude i was about i was like literally about to drop the game. It wasn't until i got cosmic and i couldn't like like upgrade him and all that stuff that i was like okay now. This is my type of game because you our our. You don't need to reload a whole lot. You can just keep unloading in in an area to hit and you'll you'll take off the enemy pretty fast but the reload reloading animation for dan is so cool it is cool. He loads the gun with his it with his feet. It's very fast reload so if you're in a very tight spot you immediately just keep on keep on shooting at dan is more of your more accurate accurate at a more good but i am not so i hold out at all all about dan as like like my go-to forever like anytime i could use dan. I was immediately on dan john mero. I keep saying that because this game you have to explain everything the unless you have yes you have harmed smith garcia smith dance myth coyote smith kevin smith not that kevin smith this kevin smith is an all bino. He is still silent but he's still sounds like why i guess katie smith consummate and mask dismiss and and they're all everyone's named smith and they're all like they're all part of the smith syndicate. That's not so when we say like we say dan smith and consummate. Don't be confused. Everyone's names and different <hes> like dance miss irish-american katie smith or mrs japanese-american. I guess kevin kevin kevin white a white british bino it says and then coyote smith is i might butcher. This word messes. Missio puerto rican says oh oh really yeah. That's what he's reading this. I wanted to say that interesting that i didn't know that concept is supposed to be a young. I'm chinese american. I mean i knew he was younger because she's a little guy with blind to yeah. He's got space coverage. I thought that he was also latino like cody. I didn't yeah no cody was puerto rican so i should have been using him. I remember just south american yeah. Yeah i mean the they just. They just say that the latino tino they they never say like this is i. I'm reading from the witty the this stuff <hes> okay. I mean this game. Doesn't it gives you story but all the story is told from guys at home run. That's all they sound in the game. Calm doesn't make it you can't. They're all dead all the people that talk you mostly. You're dead. That's a joke dan like they are. They are distorted like their day sound legitimately like it's almost like twin peaks language but even twin peaks you can kind of understand it without the subtitle they recorded it played it. Backwards reported that played that backwards filters over you have to redo subtitles and the guy who gives you all the one of the two people. There's two people that give you hints throughout this game. One guy looks like he's not a pulp fiction jumpsuit or something oh aw he was he was our full name. Insult dill boris the seventh now sorrow scoff now wwl sorrow sued. I don't know how you know that. Is your sold sold shut. It looks like it's not on digits thing. Oh any eh talk show all the time he gives you items at one levels in strangest delano in a tight spot really tight spot every single time he talks to you like without fail. Every one of his lines begins with some variation of a tight spot. This is an i know tight spot god come on. They didn't listen. I didn't read anything he because every time he started talking i would look at my guide to see what to do next i would i would use that as god. My guide was better. Probably i mean they wrote a guide or you've found a guy. I found a guide reading yeah every like all the they're all like psyches you find out they're all like they're all like people who have been killed by harman who are helping you well for some reason as there's a lot more but i don't want to talk about that yet but let's not spoil that yet and the game. They don't like explain like it's very clear yeah. They don't explain anything yeah. Exactly you always have like like vince neal was our and sorrow please dollars the best character ever. My second will sexual pillow talk. Travis is the killer he wears different shirts throughout the game say dumb. I'm sure like we're not sure it's not sure it's my black skin tight denktas yup pink writing on them. Let's say power lunch hints on some of them. They'll say you what mockery you need to shoot at one point like there's some interesting yeah of training ship. It's an odd little lake. It's an odd little like easter a that is used in the game like he'll have weird texture no sir and then every now that will just be a number. It's like <unk> only been write that number down like suddenly numbers become really important on this game loves puzzles. I didn't write shit because i just i read us. I'd ride i well. I i don't want to say it's a guide guy because i what i did was just. I had the killer seven super replay while i was playing killer. It was like i'm going to give these guys some views. Will i play the game. I was also watching. I was like how the hell are. They doing some of this stuff yeah. Yeah i mean i would not have figured out a lot of these puzzles if i wasn't using guide well partly because i just get irritated but unless they go back and forth between very easy easy puzzles that are like oh crest the numbers in disorder once you three or four or five <hes> yeah that's simple and it'll be like just incredibly complicated did like when you're in the school later in the game. It's like just you're getting numbers left and right and you have to keep backtracking to different areas of being easy. The most complicated located shit is such a such a strange game sense for a long time we haven't we introduce the villain. Don't you fight in this game called heaven and smiles which are terrorists smiles. The heavens had just file and make more says says was my way but you know it would make sense but that's not why it's utilized village and they're infected with the heavens smile virus which makes shit threat one of their organs can blow up on on command out there transformed into you like demonic walking bombs except nobody else can see them the way you see them. You see them as monsters. Everyone else sees him. As regular human like there's a scene early on the guys like helped me and he's like i don't need help anymore and he turns around and you shoot them in the face. Yeah that's the dan smith seen breeding fourteen yeah. He kills two two of them and he's like. There's definitely more than fourteen in this building and it's like you've killed to. Have you know that dan scheme always knows more than you do like yes constantly cares knowing things that you can possibly understand add to the point that even when the game injure like what the fuck what the hell i got up after the credits roll after the epilogue walking all that and then i came back to show off my computer before i went to work and i had to go and hit buttons. We'll talk about that later but yeah the game after everything roles. There's another scene yeah. Oh okay okay yeah. Yeah i was like what are you going to say is you are you are an assassin who works for the the american government or japanese government. No the american government you're just or the smith syndicate and it's like we're doing a job for the americans but we're in japan right now question mark nowhere in america in america japan is your the end most of its in america because like your trailer houses seattle yeah because whenever you leave an area the game will pull out and it will show like everything is a little squares it'll show august gershon's trailer house and it'll show seattle and then it will travel wherever you go within the country yup you yeah you were for. You're working for like the american government slashed the united nations. It's kind of confusing his like how the power dynamic verts here because first of all suda plus does not understand how american politics works. We don't have money in in his game again. We don't have like a department of education. We have the education ministry and the prime minister of education is in charge. It's like okay you try. Just s. confused the american education system of the harry potter and she's trying to do the ministry of magic. I i don't know if they have ministries in japan. I don't know how i i wouldn't even know how to tell you that that's real which is like like mystery shows up in so much like animation suffering. It's like oh we're going to this ministry. Is that a thing is that what is that what you call that in japan the ministry of affairs and also also like votes the way like voting works in america because voting comes up a lot and it's like oh yeah it's the liberal party versus the republican party now now the republican the republican party and like only people in charge get a vote and they have to all go to georgia to vote. Oh yeah yeah. I didn't catch that why didn't read most of the stuff that was being said in this game. I kinda shooting. It's set up one of the missions where it's like <hes>. It's like the last mission. I remember going to georgia with. We'll have control of the vote and it's like what the fuck is that mean essentially missing something but i it wasn't like a in two thousand twenty for president how everyone has to individually take a flight out to georgia and go to the school to vote in the ballot boxes in the one school school one elementary school. That's like the size of the pentagon. We're going to go there and we're all gonna caster and it's not gonna matter her because it's controlled by his because it takes place in the school. It's controlled by the education ministry straight game that you know. I never wanna hear anyone ever again. Complain that kingdom hearts or metal gear solid are complicated yeah. This is like l. Gear on crack like even metal gear hewlett. Okay metal garissa baby right next to the there are very few games. I can play where i i can regularly like. Even metal gear makes more sense than this one of them like. I'm like yeah like solace snake. It became president but like that makes more sense than the department of justice department of education ministry controlling the vote because people vote in an elementary school ooh. It's it's very interesting that weekend like our brain. Does oh yeah heaven's myla demon or whatever that's normal but boaty what what was this all. The trash in the world has taken onto an island via one gigantic bridge and now that's like not important at the end of the game no not the end the epilogue of the epilogue yet that hasn't come up and it only comes up as like the location as to where the epilogue happens. It doesn't actually make sense in the story. It's just like hey we're gonna talk about this island and then they logged logged game is like it just happens to take place on the islands nothing nothing in this game that makes sense to get to the islands islands. You have to take a bridge. That's like it's like the size of like if we built a bridge from california to hawaii. It's that long and all the trash rashes shipped out. There is what they say and it's like an energy refinement plant or something and all the energy in the world comes from there or something. It's the things that we in this game nothing to do with like the fascinating hall of mount the frikkie garbage and voting. That's what i'm telling you man. That's all normal shit. We've seen that a big the times what does have to do with the story in this game because half this game feels like it has nothing to do with the role of the game story is that you're you're being sent. I'm to kill people because you're an assassin and that for the most part the world is in peace now because they took all the rocket shot him in space and bloom up with other rockets. Yeah the world is is a piece though superman foreign and everyone's trying to kill yes. You're only the assassins are able to find. Only you are actually able to know who's the heavens smile that other people can't tell all they see is normal guy until he smiles and blows up well the guy who liked your handler. I can't think of his name. The guy like who's talking to you in the beginning. I'm christopher males. Yeah christopher mills like he clearly knows something's up like he clearly has a like. He worked for what the he you enter like f._b._i. Because the f._b._i. Was also involves that sons of liberty. Maybe i don't ask sons of liberty. Liberty christopher sons of liberty like league elite know that the heavens smiles exists and it's like a weird thing where the heaven smile were like introduced at the u._n. And it was is like a big suicide bombing. It's like clearly people know about this but it also plays office. Nobody knows about heaven. Smile audios the truth. It's like what do they don't they because if there was a bomb at the u._n. I'm pretty sure everyone would know like think about like captain. America where soldier fucking bucky killed like one guy at the u. When everybody in the world had his face on their phone having smile was at the u._n. And everyone's like who could have done this umbrella umbrella grela food your first mission that we talk a little bit about where you have the fourteen in their breeding thing <music> obvious you're going through this building and the game kind of teaches you how it works and this is where me and i remember seeing his boss and you get the first boston. I was like what the fuck the first boss twilight is a girl. It looks like you know made outfit. I think they know a girl like f._a. L. fit with angel eyes shoot her wings with the guy wheelchair of the giant sniper rifle and all her wings law and then she starts ashley fighting it. It was just a strange thing. I'm like she doesn't it doesn't fit here like it's the queen and it's just like a teenager on a maid outfit but i love the opening of this game <hes> <hes> like the for being. I think it's amazing like were you like christopher mills. He gives you the assignment and then like these like badger away in your ear in your ill. He's bashing edging away in your ear. He's got like a weird like like chicago like weasley accent or something like a really weird. It's so hard to places accent but he's like hey yeah this guy's in there. We gotta take him out. It's like i don't know what you're going forward but i love it and this fourteen of them and you walk into the building and you walk in as garcia and smith and it's like a camera fee looks at you and you change from garcia smithtu dan smith in some static and then media introduces you to the concept of like you can change range like people you can change personas. I'm trying to remember what the hell the phone line is but i love the garcia's math land of and made a devo have mercy. I see oh yeah. It's like the most iconic line from the entire game for me. He's like oh lord be with them or something dental and deficit. It's so weird every to love it. Added extol stents every it's hard to explain explain but like imagine a game like a basic game in turn everything from like the wall up to eleven whereas like everything is cel shaded aided gradient for some reason. There's not a single aspect of this game. That is an insanely stylized. I love it. I love that that is one of the things that i really loved the game to the point that some characters are just like silhouettes with smiles asia. You also come across early that early section action the one heaven smile that has like the voice of a child. You don't talk about where it's like. I think you mentioned earlier. He's like he's like. I need help. I somebody thirty come help. Me sounds like a little boy. It sounds like like an eight year old boy and it turns around and just comes at you and it's like so creepy. Oh oh yeah that's the. I haven't smiled at the very beginning when you're finds out they're bringing inlet understand. All you know at this point in the game. Is you've minson this building to kill everybody in it and you come across this monster. That sounds like a little boy. You know like hey what's going on a little but the body of a teenager theory that the monster he's killing aren't monsters what he sees them as monsters who justify what he's doing that one theory somebody had about this. I could see that. Let's say they're not really monsters. He just insane because he's killing everybody. I've ought to be only being transformed into monsters after they were being like. I don't know like infected with evans. I saw and that's still an i. It tends to be what the what the wiki says and what most people say. It was just somebody's theory. I i was reading before. We did this show where the guy had said he thought it was something where you're actually just going insane but this is in theory though because the whole game is about not having like a broken mind essentially claim the epilogue though nothing explains part of that but we'll get there we'll get there eventually or people just stick around and you take out the angel by shooting her wings oil and yeah yeah like she starts bleeding is she's got faces on our fucking bag it. It's so creepy. I love it. I love it so much watch. I knew you would enjoy this game because we did pare city. I love weird games on live well. You're in for a treat for three. We'll play the weirdest game ever made lit well for me. It's the weirdest game i overplayed. It's up there. It's got to be one of the rangers games. I've ever fifty one game. It's out there. Oh we eventually the game cel shading graphics which really work with all the with the ultra violence that you have and the fact that this game doesn't really as as like. You still looks good to plan on p._c. But yeah steam version looks really really great of the south shading and everything the only thing that i noticed that wasn't that good was the is if you take a look at their eyes. That's when you notice like <hes> yeah. There's an a bygone era because there is aren't like they don't have avenue deaths through the mid is just like like painted on their faces then creepy i didn't. I didn't notice that i didn't immediately. We were talking about before before we mentioned out different characters special abilities the one that always creeped me out and still does is katie smith when you have to you have like you'll find doors that are like suicide thing yeah she slits her wrists and sprays the blood on the wall and you hear and you'll hear some kind of like zelda on and then it will reveal what you have to do and i would just like okay in this game i mean every character is so unique and weird and they all have like there's so much like weird food questions of others game where i don't know how many people in it are actually alive. I don't know how many characters i saw are technically allies fun christopher. The thermal waters spoilers. Everyone's anybody's going going to be dead but like yeah you get the sense that like makes it kind of explain it. They show you images and you're supposed to pieces together but <hes> yeah yeah like dan. Smith has died like five times or something ridiculous like coyote and kevin have died a shitload of times like i think mass dismissed is the only one who's only died like once got shot up but then so it's like you don't know garcia is the only one at this point who's like like actually a person and all the others are just because even call them like change personalities gercy always carrying the briefcase and whenever someone dies is he's the one that you'll take over and half the goto the binding on on a cleaner yeah or something like that and then you have go grab the head in a bag in a paper bag of bloody paper bag grab their head. You have to tap a button or my case left mouse and resurrect them <hes> oh it is a strangest fucking game. Okay garcia's like in control but it's like. I still don't know if he's alive like he's clearly in control of the other personalities like like the like the handler for everybody yeah he. I think he's alive may well. There's also world like death. It doesn't really matter he's not allow your dad or your having smile or something in between and if you die is a heaven smile you turn into like like pixels and you fly away and become blood you can again. They thick or thin blood. They cast shaker fifth live thin blood. What is healing and dick what is like what you put in and we didn't know what the hell each blood because i was like. What the hell do i do. If yes you got blood. I got you that you see in the safe. Rooms are usually samantha. We haven't mentioned yet care sometimes intimate outfit sometime straddling chair who knows which which is important distinction yes. I'm gonna i'm i'm gonna mentioned it in a second after but and she's away that if she's in the main that you can save in us tv to save you also use the t._v. to split the switzer personalities and for some i'm reading on channel one or whatever the hell it is that it lets you donate your thick flood into little guy on the t._v. Doctor who will turn on a machine and that's how you get your serum which you use to upgrade your abilities our speed critical channel eleven channel one is harman okay generally. You never get to pick unless it's for story in between each mission. You'll you'll go. You'll be back on the trail house and you'll hear someone screaming in the background which creeped me the hell out you don't you'll find out later but and you go inside these rooms and every time you go in the room after each mission samantha. Who is the assistant harmon. Who's a college career. I'm amy. Let's say or jeez link. I can college safer to say but she's also got some like weird stuff going on where she comes in different times you go in there. She's doing different things. I mean there's one scene she's fricken riding him in a skirt and and he's not even constantly harman's smith when you're planning his garcia. We're seeing is not there anymore. He's just like lifeless guy sitting in a wheelchair and shouldn't there just ride them and he's like he he likes it rough and i'm like fucking plane that almost ooh ah suda fifty one game mike your playing suda fifty one game that <hes> that see was actually a huge deal in this game came out <hes> because i'm going. I'm going to mention a name that a lot of people if they remember they'll be angrily immediately angry that i mentioned it but <hes> there was this lawyer named jack thompson who if anyone played video games like the late nineties early two thousands you'll buy them that one lawyer that tried to ban every video game because you like her yeah us like the progenitor of the video games 'cause violence silence and everything he's the progenitor virus substrate okay now. He's just disbarred asshole in florida since he lost the ability to practice law three light on <hes> but yeah he was trying to get this game <hes> a an adults only rating because of that scene. It's got sex accent blah. Blah and people were like this is more tame than like any movie like a good show this in a p._g. Movie and it'd be fine. I mean it's offscreen you. Just you know what's happening. You don't really see anything yeah and they're like fully clothes. Yeah and that's and that's not even i mean there's a part where she's trying to feed them soup at one time time. There's a part where she smacked him around but it was the one with what she was sleeping with. I'd just kind of like okay like she goes back and forth between being harman's. He's like like what she's wearing. Her maid outfit. That's been she's in like harman servant mode where she's like kind of under control of like cheat carmen under control of her or something like she's she's like mesmerized or something something which wearing normal clothes that's her like in an actual samantha mode where she's like free and usually seems like fucking with armand get back at a literally sometimes two times literally yeah eh handlers going on. She disappears at one point near the end of his gave up. That's virga question she on yeah so oh each level is up as targets in this game and four oh god the targets like they are in chronological order her everything is all way what island wise. I didn't know that it's like some parts of the game are flashbacks it. It doesn't tell you that they're flashbacks but like like there's a big sequence towards the end. That's all black and white you. That's all one big flashback or are you talking about the hotel. The hotels all flashback that dead much i understood but but yes some parts. This game are god mike target five. It's hard to tell because like i can't say for certain wind stuff takes by some stuff takes his for sure in order and sometimes you're like. When did this happen with like we're going into a cut scene scene. Is this gutsy now like whatever it goes to harmon and and goon llahu we haven't brought up at all yet oh yeah but when it commercially when it goes to the two of them it's like that's that's either happening now or that's happening like over the course of several decades conlon whatever his his name is a demi god at the opposite of harman's smith and they been embattled for hundreds of thousands of year. They haven't been in battle. They've been playing fucking chests yeah a._m. Chest and win whenever harmon loses chess. That's when shit hits the fan like that's legitimately what causes everything in this game to happen. Whenever harmon loses a game of chess he has to give come on something and it's always something insane where it's like. Oh you have control of america now like what that's how you're deciding everything anything boy. I did not get this but yes on point harmon like kills samantha in offscreen like she dies in the background okay yeah. I think you find like your body. Why i don't remember any of this i mean this game makes no sense as we said any time but i do want to talk about the next second level. I don't wait. She is not the same character as the girl that gives you the rings right now. That's the head. We'll talk about that. There's a you find you get rings. In this game. It used us all puzzles firing watering win ring stamina power. I don't know i think the powers come by day. <hes> kept yep than sudha. Whenever you'd find his head in different play the first one to the head of the dacian and she also talks same <hes> maresca. She's obviously dead has ringing her mouth and just ahead just talking to. It's what's funny about her. Is she talks to you like she talks to. You explains like how much is trouble. It's eight light. It takes to get there but she's always like you know how much shit i've had to jump over to get to this place to give you this wrangler. She'll say weird stuff like that you like like are you a ghost or literally his severed head rolling around in like grabbing these rings in your mouth and then rolling back to me makes no sense nothing. He does our toddler. There's like there's a bunch of informed in this game and they're all like spirits and suzy's one of them. Travis is one of the drivers my favorite by far of course you have a he was aru kika zaru me aroo white kickoff sorrow zara zero yeah. Oh the guy with the mask that no the guy with keith is our is the one that appears behind us are like on the walls and stuff. That's only aw thank you belong him game yeah. The guy in the mask is <hes> union. I think you said that his mask mask and he's flipping you off. Look man. I've played this is i ended this game like three weeks ago. I forgot a lot of things there's also so many characters in this game too many any characters fertile game that has like six levels that take forever <hes> they're long levels and they break up some of the levels in two parts like they'll. It'll be two different missions in one level like in the second one you go to a restaurant the kill somebody and he gets killed by his fake secretary which i really enjoyed that boss despite to shoot her more than she shoot you and then a helmet drops on next to her on her or something or next to her later but see and it was it was the mad doctor who was like that was the guy in the t._v. Would do like the the upgrade swear you could. You saw like a rubber glove. Yeah <hes> is on the second channel channel beer something and then there was <hes> travis. Ebisu is like china the one that most people know from this game because he's just looked so weird <hes> union who is all great costly of by the way when i just saw a guy wearing a suit with that mascot ask on just flipping everybody off always gonna get this but people who do gonna love it and then what he sunday is the last one is like a <music> little quote unquote little boy who's like thirty years old boy wearing a letter that's like they killed me. You need to do this instead ed absolutely dow impress and it was one of the things that he said at the beginning of such a wealthier yeah yes yes and then the second reel off spite when you fight you fight to businessmen at least that's what i call them. I don't remember who they they are what they are but they're they blow off their own heads. Dead baaz battle goddamn that buzz is you're in his room this long meeting room with long table and they shoot their brains to shoot. You have to shoot the brains that are coming at you. Shoot the guys tie so the other men will come over and fix his shooting the back of the head. I hated that. I hated that boss battles so much all the fossils in this game are so specific and this more than a few boss by there's more than if you fights in this game where it's like you're immediately in front of an enemy but you don't have to shoot the enemy or you don't have to shoot the enemy specifically. You have to shoot like something like like very uniquely tire. If around shoot this thing it's it's kind of odd nip. It doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of trial and errands game. There wasn't until level target target three level. Four is the one that screwed pissed me off but we'll come. We'll come to that encountered the whole thing i don't i don't even remember which one you know when i when when i get there but i do like you get the when i was a kid i got the target two which which of over three cloudy out man where you start off well actually yeah it could be. You really do want to work. I mean you go to a ranch mentioned taxes and it just where the guy made her may by theme parker town all about him seem all the call the code <hes> <hes> the guy and you see the smiles run around on and they have just yellow shirt on says his name. You just shoot 'em yellow. Certainly they blow up and they don't even do anything. They just run around going yeah. He's he's he's so odd because his name is andre omega a very texas name andre almeida eremita and he has remained or remain a inner city is the name of his life a theme park. That's all about him. So there has been little action figures collectible figures you have to you have have to get to unlock to get to him in the end you way too much time in that frigging level because of the collecting that stupid i i go to collect like two of them the other ones you just get them from the stupid vending machine but you need to go to the ball. You need coins. You click on it and you just get him. I think i think they're going to the mall. I don't remember anything you need coins from the from the from from the smiles that i just shot everybody and i just keep shooting somebody and then you've got the coin okay. I know what you're not going to get a bullet in the face. There's no question you're done. I hear shots you very much. Thank you and take her. When i don't mean to ooh yeah i mean this game makes you like okay. I was playing this game with headphones on because you have to play without. I'm sitting here playing and there was one time where like my the following while we started talking to me and all of a sudden. I hear people talking like what's going on what what's happening. I thought it was a game. You're playing tricks on me and having random audio reason because you can't tell if it's noise outside or the game screwing with you came in the door and i'm sitting in sitting at my desk far away from the door and he comes in he walks around all. Somebody just jumped when someone the next week what what the hell a person this. This game was just one mind fuck after another. That's that's interesting that you actually y was paying attention to to the game because you are very infamous for not even lawyer won't be. I was curious to see like if you're going to try take out is is so like it's so necessary and yeah my eyes were gotten pretty good at seeing when something wasn't right but amuse commute here laughing off the side of the screen and they're not even in view. You have to go forward go to a place to get them in view point yeah. I did a lot of like i walk walking you the smile back way the hell. I didn't know where they were coming from china. Every time i heard that brings stopped that are my tracks and i was like okay. Where are you coming from. I know you're week we had mentioned that there's tons of different smiles that they that are all kind of like the game type things like somare you gotta shoot them at a certain spot or they keep responding in front of you some shoot there's one in africa and like straight jacket tied to a chair that shoot a laser beam after if you don't kill fast enough i mean they have whoa i'm not going to go on all of them. They have lots of different smiles for you to accommodate all kind of have to play out like puzzle. You have to know how to kill. Each one is different characters. There's a giant one. You have to use mass smith and shoot him with a grenade launchers that one was probably my most dreaded one giants. I hate it. I did not like mass dismiss because he i don't like it's awesome fucking kind of the end of the frigging game when he literally god yes by the end when he doesn't eat good but what really rabi hate mass dismissal talk about shortly but if you want i counted up and yeah there are over thirty different kinds of smiles yeah so i'm not. I'm not going all there's it's. They really do at a good ride he to a game. If you shoot things there was a good variety with mantra seats on like okay. How do i gotta kill this real fast and it would make you think for a second as i unloaded my bullets khan and we heard for new do again with like seven levels. There's there's a lot of diversity in the enemies and storytelling even the way they tell the story like suddenly the game switches into anime for some reason all either anime cutting-edge change. We'll get to that. I guess unlike every every line was just like slightly different like i. It's very subtle. It's like okay. This is gonna be a different current theme. It's gonna be a different different enemies and it just goes off the rails and say you're playing a different game now like the part that made no sense after you go oh through land or whatever the hell it's called which level they may land and you get to omega. He puts a guy sports car. The guy drives real foul. Yeah yeah it grab him and infected with the virus or something yeah. I was like what the fuck i'll be. There's lots of what the fuck during this game and that's where i got to as a kid. I got to that boss fight. I couldn't figure out what to do because i was trying to not use a guide and play legitimately in quotations. You can't see my coach. I just did and that's when i realized that i'm like fuck that and that was you you run through ambulances that are all connected to get to him. Weird boss fight if he touches you you die which i found out the hard way. I ran into playing con el you out. I just ran right it into him. I'm like oh i die the first time because of that iran restraint into him at one point and i was like well the how shoot the afro glowing louis that comes out of his back of his head but it's a behind him so you'll have to like go around. If the afro it comes in the back of them you can kill the out for you can kill him. It takes one and it yeah asked what makes sense but you can't shoot him in front. They bullets bounce off. You got to get him to follow you. Get behind him and shoot him but you gotta be fast. He turns around pretty quick if v._c._u. really i. I don't think that <hes> how he did it for for me but maybe i just i did not like that by the next fight. I don't even remember what encounter were you counter. Even takes place isn't counter i which is target three and a movie theater which is like another amusement park art to amusement parks in this game with gas. It's it's like an amusement park but with movie theaters surrounding it and then it goes to <hes> like blackburn's house. Oh god iom eight blackburn okay. She's a mini watson this game and you i see her and she's and she has has the face of an anime girl and shooting gun and i was like what go fuck way way also. She's named yami blackburn. She's not only life breath. She's an orphan because curtis blackburn lives in a house with a bunch of female female orphans. It's very disturbing what part of this game as an this guy really leans into the like the people who you are in charge are corrupt and perverted it takes the eyes of like the idea of like is eyes wide shut and again cranks up to eleven where it's like. Everyone's like creepy and they have these weird like cold and you don't really understand like you don't really understand what everyone's deal is. I like the guy beforehand ever made like a cult leader. He's like an a young twenty-seven-year-old. Dude runs at coal in amusement park and you used to work for the post office office. He went from post office to cult leader from what for post office to rollercoaster tycoon colder like and then blackburn is like the head of <hes> like the i._n._s. Or something he was like a former assassin and now he's like he works for the government ambiguously and he's an organ trafficker that lives with a bunch of the miller at all. I am strange. I i i am a girl she sixteen. She's wearing a japanese school girl uniform and you didn't find this out to our. She's wearing a mask of a of an anime girl which was like. Why is there an anime in this game like okay. I see yeah because it's auden that that i was at a frigging very confused boss. It's like that's what that boss looks like. I like your like yeah. They're not wearing a mask. That's what they look like. She's straight wearing a mike one of those. I think they're called like anime house. She's wearing like an enemy. Gal mass like straight up mass for some reason it's so creepy there so disturbing to me and i hated that but you have to shoot her with grenade launcher but she's running so fast that you you have to shoot it ahead of time and she's only can be hit when she's in the light. Oh i won't hate. I hated her that fight the second time because you have to fight our two sue times also shitty to takes a while you have to master smith who i was not i hadn't powered up i had everybody powered up equal. Oh okay i had everyone was pretty well powered and she's like mandalay the lines you were like. She was an orphan taken from like i n s or something mistake. Why is why is in charge of orphans all of a sudden else. Blackburn doesn't blackburn kill a guy on a tennis court and yeah yeah he does so supposedly killed his whole family that was watching him practise tennis or why friends also the one who like he's the one who killed dan. I think wait wait. Wait no okay. The first time signed blaine died. He was killed by lifer and wait. That's still makes sense yeah. I think definitely when you listen to this episode of doesn't make sense. Don't worry awesome. I'm doing the best. I can doing pretty good ten pages over here like another random fact there throughout the game. There's a there's a there's a pigeon who gives you gives you letters just looked up the name of the hurry appearance all different. They're all different pigeons because they're all named after bond girl on yup. I know that i would just now bianco which letters come from a guy named johnny gagman but i always go just straight up just calling him gannon johnny again and again and then to try four so i i never read any of the letters that's like of that. Being gannon's like real name is john gannon the laziest but you can call only speedster that i'm like no and escalators i'll again also like doesn't show up in the game but gannon's like repeatedly heatedly threatening to kill you and giving you all this information. What do you think you'd be really east threatening to kill. A mayor is always opens. Dearer mir which we'll get to that off to actually won't be a three hour kazakhstan. I'm not doing that again now. We could join it was i. I was like man. Are we going to go for more than three in past weeks. Now we will eventually but not on this game because they won't be illiterate the symbolic you could get and i think that the at the one time that you guys will be three our podcast when you do metal gear solid. Oh yeah that's gonna that might be broken into. Two parts are doing later this one and this to ever get around for like metal gear solid four. That's going to be like a month long event and this happened and then this happened for some reason or h cut saying there's gotta i have that game. I always a split as a monkey in taper drinks. Kokin smokes guys. I played the one tree my p._s. Three died and i couldn't get to play a four or peace walker so and i haven't played five because i haven't played those two and i'm like people are more than four but we'll talk about different the next the next set of boston's you fight i. I was laughing my ass off when you fight. We are punishing rangers. The hansel event mike before you get to the punishing rangers the balls battle with black lack blackburn. What's good point going. We should talk about that. I forgot libraries significant power ranker's i don't care about i wanna talk about the power. You're stupid. Come on who you are because encounters also the level you learn a shitload about dan's past and that he's like a <hes> it was like a cop that got killed absorbed by harman and godlike turned into like the vanguard of the killer seven essentially and he's like curtis blackburn is the one who killed him first and so he's got this a huge vendetta against blackburn anyone the thought that when when they first showed out blackburn space leno one who thought that that was like a young harmon or something yeah though too because everybody looks the same in this exactly like this is like a flashback of young harmon. Just i think everybody in this game what's like like the same either twenty something like white dude with short hair or twenty something black dude with an afro and those of the only only do you have an afro and sideburns or you have short hair and you're like l. bino or wearing a mask or something. You're wearing a mask yeah so it's like at multiple points in this game. You have to go way who is this is joined no this character. Is this somebody that i'm supposed to understand yeah. It's basically a tackle the same thing with the female characters when when blackburn is introduced like he kills a a girl or and when they showed her face. I was like samantha yeah. I thought that was a mansa was the ship that gives you the rings and i was like am i supposed to know i think that's that's that's like <hes> another character <hes> montana pedro montana against his family that it gets killed by him. I don't know major montana's like a guy who <hes> like setup. Dan smith part of his backgrounds so much. There's too much information going on in this game to prince case it gives you a shitload of information but gives it to you in incredibly like strange ways like it'll give you a very important detail and like a throwaway line that one of the debt informants says and they don't really say it at like they say to you. They're just saying like at you and you'd be like wait. Wait don't on what does that mean and of course he's responsible for. Dan and you're like well. You can't just breeze passing pedestrians killed. His rich guy killed dad's maeve and again. You know i put the cat. You know just kind of eh. Do you wanna talk about how that fight worked. When you fight curtis or something like that boss by okay so you you feel like you didn't like the boss or did i enjoy rule with them. Curtis where you play as dan and you both have dual but to make the show. There's a pigeon engine sitting on his shoulder and you can't shoot until the pigeon flies. The pigeon will try to trick you and start to fly and not really flies if you shoot him too soon. You lose the but i was the guy that said there's a q. He only he always hoots before he flies so i did is i say you had to pay attention turned off is what i was about to say. I close my eyes except for sure enough. You're apparently apart. I am blind. Well people you heard it here first cyborg. He's a robot. The terminator seeds on likes and clicks download load of this podcast makes them stronger and we have to stop to be happy every time it's like the game just like hold you hostage view like a john woo movie. I really liked that because since i love red dead redemption so much the whole dual system i was it's like this this works especially with dan loves duels multi like weird dum because the secretary was also kind of a dual except that one. You just need to just shoot a lot talking about mike's favorite again handsome rangers yeah. That's talk about at that level before we even get into boss fight. I mean that that whole everything i loved everything with that that whole level of the handsome rangers and you're going to go kill killed comic book artists and the artists rights stuff into books and what he writes a handsome men. Go kill now. We're gonna handsome men his creation like they were real or something. I think like situation in both of us. It's such a such a metaphor for this game. Yeah what what. What is this game about now. Let's see what it is and i. I got nothing okay care i i it's either goosebumps situation where the writer wrote those characters and they came to live or it's does he wrote those characters and and those characters now somebody else took like costly them and do what the comic says but it doesn't make sense because they know what happens before the communist published so why they exist as characters like they're supposed to be like real characters but then in like by way the guy's name is pearl harbor is trapped yeah and i had to look this up because i was also very confused by it so the handsome men are like other assassins that were made by the the united states military because when the united states it makes assassins we wanna make sure the villa by our interests would you would you yeah totally would trevor hurl harbors starts to like write them into his comic books and he believes that what he's doing is like controlling them but in in reality he can see the future and so so basically he's like the profit from supernatural or she have. I knew that's where you're going. I was thinking the same thing he he thinks he's controlling them because he can see the future and he thinks that he's making those things happen but he's just witnessing those things happen and writing in writing them down beforehand so he's like both a superhero and immediate yeah especially because he ends up getting shot by one of the yeah yeah and that's also <hes> yeah because at that part of the game just goes like okay not saying the story was on any sort of rails at this point but the story really goes off the rails and target or is it also is a girl named lung wilcox. <hes> was like a fan of his and is so confusing. I thought she was one of the wasn't she. One of the handsome <music> the pink one literally the only female handsome and how they're they're handsome light brown which also female and handsome pink which is love wilcox. I'm gonna read off the names of the hanson or hansen read handsome blue handsome light brown handsome dead handsome purple handsome white pearl white eight pearl handsome pink handsome gold handsome black and hamson bauge. Love wilcox is the actual controller of the handsome and she's actually like their handler. She is handsome pain but she's also controlling the handsome men through the internet and it's like it's. It's like what it's set some point like she's controlling them. Through the internet and internet isn't like with a capital is the internet is as maybe some specific internet miss world. I didn't get any of batta. Internet is illegal in this world. We didn't say that yeah the internet's eleo leo and she's like she she's the internet is like the force were like she's a hacker and they even say like they even make a point to say like oh. She's the play like she's an avid player of online video games despite the internet being illegal like oh she must be a bad ass. She's a rebel we will cause yes yes. She gets upset because handsome black kills pearl harbor by accident and that's like that's like this is the whole story of this. One level is like it's this whole this one level could be made into like a twenty six episode anime. It's condensed down like like the three hour level if so weird up yep yeah andrew after she like after a handsome black kills pearl harbor. Dan kills handsome black in this like weird but also cool anime fight. It's gotta cowboy bebop all of a sudden. It looks looks because dan also kind of has has an outfit very reminiscent of spike spiegel. He's got like the man with the white undershirt revolver great. I mean dance may have had a a couple of different suits. That was like one of them. Are you gonna reminded me of dwight from the office. We haven't mentioned yet each level each mission that you do. They actually kinda changed their clothes. Change color a little bit for each character. I wanna say two different at band or something and that is all like cosmetic and you can put whatever connotation on that you want. Basically it's like i've seen some people say like their outfits changes because because like how connected they are it's a garsten or like some like i've heard so many theories about why they're closer changing and at no point. Have i ever heard a theory. That's like hey they're closer changing because it takes place on a different day never asked this game. That's all i mean i mean. This is brian. Just takes your mind and it just makes a scrambled egg or something because got love of his life. Love and the handsome men leads into the dual which is all completely scripted boss fight yeah. It's a very various scripted boss wife but it's still cool looking like well. If you didn't know scripted you wouldn't realize because you you start off playing each of one of the the smiths biting one of the other hands men power rangers in the south using the same gun. You're using like the first one is harman. Smith fight handsome red and they're both sitting the wheelchairs. Yes suddenly in red sox sitting in a wheelchair. I don't know if they explain why he's sitting in a wheelchair so i don't think they do. They just like yeah. You're just fighting a clone of yourself. That's it because you see him earlier not in a wheelchair exactly what happened to answer a car hit him before to do right before right before the battle he stepped into the street and got hit by a boss and he's like. I still got this twelve. I gotta go sorry no time for an ambulance six right himself to the dual. Oh but there's certain ones you can win third certain ones that you can't win and if you didn't know it you wouldn't realize that you're actually supposed to lose some game just kind of plays that way yeah do not realize that it was it was really like because at some point you lose two in a row what oh my god what is going on. I'm just getting my ass kids. I knew of it because of the super replay because i had already seen it like when it came out the first time so i knew that there was a part where i was supposed to lose some characters. I just didn't remember which part was until i got there. It's so strange i i enjoyed it and then that's also when nasty smith power enough like the the second man when he gets aw and he and i love it when he gets more powerful different mattress don't and then all of a sudden this outfit changes ages and he's a better or something i don't interesting that he's the only one that gets like all these super upgrades like <hes> besides dan smith. I wanna say dan dan. Dan smith gets the upgrade a gun from the archangel which we didn't talk about master smith shows up first as like he's wearing a lucia mass in a cave and he's wearing like a whole suit looks like i this is gonna be such a niece thing. Anyway watches loose newer stuff at all but it's like a very loose door thing like yeah where a suit and like that when you're doing like that sound like your persona. Your persona is the mass dressed like a a casual door. If that's that's the thing get reference. I get what you're talking about. Yeah i guess that's part of that. Wrestling where to launch doors are like bring honor to the family and all this other. It's very it's very honorable career. Watch naturally radio. I love lucy doors whereas in general alex so interesting they're like full heroes and like shop in movies and stuff. I love lusener culture a lot. <hes> ugh whack-a-mole i have not so bad muccio legit <hes> yeah when he gets upgraded he turns into like ready to go. Lose your door where like his shirt flies off like these shirtless. He's still got the he's. You still got the mass with his shirt off. He's like like now. He's in wrestling mode yep. Even though he's still doesn't readily his grenade. Launcher grenade eight live you. I didn't really like the grenade launcher but they were useful. Sometimes when you it's interesting that they are grenade launchers but they look like a frigging shotgun yeah. It's like a shotgun like what they're literally like. They're literally the the road hog gun from over wash. Oh yeah yeah almost exactly me. Nothing me actually a good game. I don't play online games yeah. I don't play online games either but over watch was basically the only one the story but i've i'm still oh pissed that we don't have an overwatch story game like health line single be good night interested or story that game before oh and after you finish fighting the power rangers. I'm sorry i mean the handsome men punishing rangers. Yes i mean the there's so much. Punishing rangers is the full name of their batting at like what developed by the u._s. Army controlled talked about they literally pennies yeah ooh i like it is so strange inch the the the last set of levels take place in a school hotel i and school and that's the well before the very epilogue but that's when you start getting all the story dropped on you when you're in this hotel and the hotel we'll talk about that. We have to talk about the end of the a handsome inveighing because that is so bizarre that i miss some okay i think i i think i just took it on a member of the rest of the game. It's like the end of it is handsome. Pink turns into love wilcox you translate. She does like incheon transformation back and it's like a wholesaler moon thing too and she explains. How does she like wrote. I wrote the story as she explained how she wrote the script for what happened she she controlled the fight and how it would end up but then then after that you see kulon hand like reach towards the screen so it's like you like it it the implications like you're playing like a fighting game that whole time that i don't call that either. It's so weird that i believe him because i was kind of a hurry at this point because i was trying to finish all i could go to work. It's like it's after after the after the credits roll because every target ends with credits <hes> yeah and it's like a split second thing where you see like a hand reaching towards the screen like turning off what the hell like playing a game on. What was that assassination taking place inside a like tekken. I wonder how to pass awesome. She could have fit in attacking game just fine but it's so it's so weird 'cause you're like. I don't know i don't like that to me. Is such a suit of fifty. One thank you you beat the level and you're like wait. What just happened in that level. Did i play that or was i playing that as like was i playing that s game as garcia that is laid out or was. I played like a fiddle. Yeah well the whole game. You're like damn fiddle also yes. It does division that because it's such a tiny thing but it's so i didn't catch that i'm probably end up that either so like breaking the fourth wall in the strangest way more we go onto the next part and hotel idea look guacamole. It's under six hours to beat it. So if you you can put it on the show at some point if he wanted to know people wanna see us like camelia might be on the show and months and months and months and al so we already have season three written down. You don't do it for like cinco. De mayo or something oh hey hey. That's how i do my show like there's a movie coming out. I always due uptight. I'm not i will not do that again. After aladdin john well also picked like the worst game with a movie. That didn't do well so yeah but i don't. I don't wanna doing a while. We'll talk about it. Yeah okay. I love that show regularly program all in the hotel and the hotel shirts off weird because you go in and then the bellhop guy or not. The hello receptionist starts talking to your garcin smith. Yes he's like how'd you know my name and then he disappears after he looks back and that's what you're doing. You're going through each floor and you're collecting an item boomer. You're know you're seeing your cooking bloods twist the fucking doing again. I remember going each floor. You gotta flex some bullets and stuff you gotta go each foreign clark the bullet bullet and until later that you find out what your there's also seven floors. That's another thing that i think that we bypass that you have to collect <hes> bullets into the levels of key items been given the keys and resin evil but you have unlimited inventory pretty what they are. You have to collect so many bullets to pass a guy in a gate that serves absolutely no purpose but to make sure you did everything in the in the in that in that mission before you can continue on. We didn't talk about the bin vinh. Whatever the hell it is. You're trying to say yeah but this is the part of the game where like it starts playing with time. I'm really heavily but also explains everything yeah yeah well. It explains everything and explains nothing basically the entire entire game. Oh man how do even how do we even tackle this. I'm ready okay okay. Let's <unk> as you go through the hotel. I think somehow there's bloodstains will say that i do know this parts and it is until you get two people. Were kind of telling you that. There's a little more to this than you. Don't understand understand you've been here before endorsing what he doesn't understand and you find out if you go to the hotel gercy and ashley had killed all seven another killer seven when he was thirteen years old when he was email immer parker rainer or something charge reiner yeah mayor park reiner. I don't know how i got what i got. Okay but thirteen years old killed every killed all seven of the killer. Seven you went up and down the hotel shooting. Everybody and you actually get to see the scenes this of him going through and killing all of them. He killed six because he also killed harmon. Oh wait yeah at that point harmon. Was this like the number one nigger like he was the at that point okay so you're killed everybody. <hes> all the killer seven personalities were were personalities that existed within harman. They were like his alter egos. Amir goes in and he kills yeah. Yeah you're right. He chose six of them. He tries to kill harmon in fails okay and has yeah they. They never showed him kill. Arman armand's ought god so that to all that doesn't stop them from dying. We'll get there people. I mean where they will. No don't just say because garcia and one point kills harmon an khun lung yeah he like they're playing chess and he comes in and just fucking annihilates them like it's obvious bastards like like here's death level like that's how insane it is at this point after the game. Everyone's like healed pretty like for that so over the top. The actual debts are pretty restrained. It's like a couple of shots wynn harmon in good log a hill. It's like a million bullets. It's like a tommy gun. It's like the frigging. <hes> typewriter resonable for is just never stops. I love the typewriter and there's also show like off camera. You don't see here is just heavily implied. He's the one who does it exactly but yet so amir goes in and he kills all heels six six of the seven and wounds harmon and harvard also wounds him <hes> and then something happens were they become the same person at harmon becomes to people and i don't know what the fuck and mike if you have any takes over takes him her park work and become make hasn't become garcia n- takes away his memory so he has no idea who he was he was also a trained assassin by the government and the school the go-to and he had pretty sure if i'm reading this correctly remembering what i was reading is he. He just takes over and he doesn't know who he is but also he opens the briefcase case finally released coming up to us and you find out that his briefcase he's been carrying. This entire. Time has six different guns in it yeah. He is the killer seven that there is no split personality. Well one is just him picking up b b each other person. Does he killed them all took their weapon. It's like i'm all the different personas that have been absorbed into harmon. What at the same time other people talk you as if you're dan or kahn or heidi so it's one of those things doesn't but he's he's i feel like he's just a host for the other personality to take over when they're needed well that's when the question comes up of of like yeah is he becoming a different person or is it like tyler durden fight club scenario where he sees tyler durden talk to somebody and that's that's how he sees it but in reality it's still <hes> the narrator god what does that actor's name edward norton still edward norton giving all the instructions actions but he sees it as brad pitt trucks spoilers for fight club. If you don't know the fucking ending at this point yeah it's it raises a lot of questions of like so harman's in a wheelchair so because he's a personality does that mean that like he changes into harmon or he views himself as is being in a wheelchair. I would explain which would explain why you also suddenly see the wheelchair. Actually it has like that's how he's viewing harmon so his brain has to say like well. We're battling the same guy so he must be in a wheelchair to because that's what harm it. It looks like it's confusing exactly almost no chance there's al- almost thing and it makes no sense funny thing every time um you start a level. It's always garcia smith sitting in a trailer house eating and you hear on the radio mr smith. This is the republic party. We would love your vote. I mean every it makes no offense until been doing. It was like oh yeah. Boating plays a big part in this storyline somehow she adly very suddenly voting is incredibly important and then you go last part you go to a school in the schools all about you finding out that gershom smith went to the school and was trained as a killer and went on a rampage and killed everybody. That's essentially why kill the killer. The killer six killer seven killer something because he just killers yes. That's the name of the sequel. Ever comes out killed the killers to the killer seven tillerson. We're getting everyone always talks about it and then. I don't think it's happening. I i wouldn't have to happen a third. No more here is is about to come out. Isn't it or did it. Just come out. Yeah the third one yeah so forth but it's the third no mario street yeah so it's fifty one isn't opposed to doing sequels. I just don't think this is one that they're going to go back to sadly. I wouldn't mind lollipop chainsaw think so too neither actually apparently after you shoot emir on the roof which we didn't talk about the end of the at the end of the he is not because of rape and for some reason after that apparently emerging research itself and he's no longer gercy in in gercy ceases this is to exist. Yes kills him. He kills himself and becomes himself. Do not coming suicide suicide please. There's no we're not it's so i'd like the only thing i can think of is like because of how how harmon operates if he can take other people and assimilate their personalities back into himself so at create like an hope for center about so i think i can imagine it's like garson killed amir and then absorbed emir and was able to become a mirror then. It's so confusing but i think that's what happened. Maybe like no fucking lines so and then you have the epilogue in which is the very last chapter this game sort of you didn't talk about the last <hes> benjamin keene and the the whole presidency agency thing in the russian roulette game that thanks if you want to tackle that one at-bat confused me too. It's literally just are you talking about the last <hes> supposedly last boss which is the <hes> the the fat guy the j._c. Injury nightmare like editor as the secretary of education right. I think the the secretary of education name is well. No he's just he's just a guy like i don't know who anybody is every citizen. Who aren't you so. There's i e okay. Hold on backtrack a little bit. It's umbrella the answer. There's some bread. It's always you. There's the whole thing with the the venom gate which is also a whole okay. Oh and the gate is like allows you to like travel through dimensions and i don't know if that means time as well well what i'm not sure it's like that's like the red room from twin peaks but then you have to show to the principal's office in this school and you come across benjamin keene who is not only the principal of the school but he's also a presidential candidates because that's how the world works is when you're president you can also give you a history proven so far. You don't have to know any to be president. You just have to be popular enough. Maybe being a t._v. Show and you can run for president so might say you don't even have to be that popular might say might say the only forty percent popular but yes so he is like like let's play russian roulette and if i win if i win you you have to go. Kill the president and if you win. I'll tell you how to heal women you. You're like sure why not there's a whole it's a ten minute log seen like the sequence this huge sequence of russia's lennon's like like you can't trick me at this gun hold seven seven bullets and then his advice to hell with it is like all women are the same and he kills himself okay. I don't know what that was about but move past that. We're going to go find the chairman <hes> and it's it's the so okay yeah me too. I think it's the sharon i think the chairman of education this is the fat guy yeah that yeah okay so there's two separate nightmares. There's dmitri nightmare describing. This game is like describing a fever dream. I'm i'm curious anyone who listened to listen to the episode. Please let us know what you think. I'm larry cereal. Have you said let us know steph. After after after i'd be like listen what the fuck you shit like a cafeteria or something they'll and like this part of the game is super super report going to the cafeteria and there's a ridiculously fat guy hanging from the ceiling and he's like oh. This is greg hagan nightmare. The united states secretary of education. You know you know like like you'd vote like you'd vote in like the secretary of education asian greg nightmare blame god like like there's this huge cut scene. Explain that like this is my life. This is nightmare and he's the one behind everything and he was the one who likes set all these events in motion so that he could become president or some shit oh and like he the guy explaining its he leaves he just like walks out and then all of a sudden the guy hanging from the ceiling greg nightmares holding a golden revolver and that becomes a boss battle a man with the golden gun another james bond reverence and that's like you. Oh my god you so you have to shoot him in the crotch. That's that's actually what happened. The crotch shoot his pants all and she does and then the blacks miles shaw and buy yes. This part of the game is working. His like you know sparked days. Just just martin may affect sense. This part of the game gets a little more confusing because like you switching back and forth between different members of the smith syndicate and getting like absolutely destroyed and i think it's like yeah because none of them can pick up the golden golden gun which apparently is the only thing that that can kill files yeah yeah and so yes so all the smith indicate like get killed very unsatisfied ceremoniously one by one you lose everybody until you're just <hes> garden. You're just garcia and then then after that happens you go back to the hotel and that's when you learn earn that all the bloodstains you're locating before are like where you killed all the former <hes> killer seven like you see all their debts and it's hard to tell because that part is like completely in black and white and just to this point color has been so important to the care when you put them all in like gray scale. Suddenly it's hard hard to tell me to like. I i kind of could tell from the from the moment that i had not the first one which is i think that kevin smith you. The first ones kevin smith who'd looks looks like harman yeah he. He was just <hes> like the clerk at the reception. I think i think the third or fourth when you kill his master masks dismiss and at that point it's like okay yeah definitely know what's going on now. I'm debbie. Aboard boy isn't a second one like what are you doing because you see him. What the bandana think so. I couldn't tell who zoo i can tell you. That's what i was going on. I was confused jeez. I'm stupid. You're the only skater than than any of us could have and then yeah the hill dan smith and like a little like weird little like draw with him. You're like these sitting down just waiting for your new year coming or something in to kill me. Ma you also sounds like a spike spiegel's well. I don't know if he's played by steve one but it sounds like steve lung a lot aww voices there that i that i was like kind of sounds familiar yeah. There's a ton of voice actors in this game that i sure i know like like eve. Llamas definitely definitely in this game i i definitely heard his voice a lot. I just don't know who also is the only one who thought that the frigging heaven smile laughter was just mark mark hamill funny soon as because as soon as you press like start or no as soon as the the opening capcom grasshopper and whatnot they start likes it starts the frigging smile <hes> salad and i was like this sounds exactly smile. Oh dan smith is voiced by michael j. golkar auger god whatever they'll go okay. Stephen plays kenjiro matsuoka who was like the guy who works for like giving you all this information <music> strong. Does the voice for katie smith yes yes. Oh my god makes mind over that <hes> yeah so then like after that you go back and you get all all the you get all the information like what happened with the mir and you need like the young harmon and <hes> dmitri nightmare. I don't know if there's any relation. They're a nightmare family that i wear family. You suddenly get in all the information in the world. Though where like you learn that there was a second harmon that also existed in like harman delta had and like who amir is and who dmitri is and it's like sensory overload. This game gives you so little to go on. Suddenly you're getting so much and it's still confusing. I'm eric confused right now. Don't worry about it. It's bizarre because that's when you go up to <hes> yeah. That's when you go up to the forbidden room and you come across the second harmon or it's the second harmon but it's also the real harmon because the harman's smith that's like in the wheelchair is just one of your personalities. He's really the eighth gillan jesus h christ and there's another harman that also exists who and that's the one that is constantly playing chess with the law. That's not the same guy as the harmony limited you know it's a it's a different harmed. Smith that exists like there's like their personality split into two yeah and that's when you go up there and you just read all the shit out of them with bullets and it's the most satisfying part of the game because you're just like you two assholes all this confusion fuck you. <hes> pity it is brutal is a is also interesting that garcia only uses is like a pistol the entire time and and just for that part just for that fucking part. He uses a frigging tommy on her. Something is by missile yeah which i really did not like i love garcia samantha character but i did not like playing no. It was meant to be hard. It was meant because he's the one you play his after somebody dies resurrect and it's not meant to be it's meant to give you a challenge as punishment yeah and he doesn't <hes> you can upgrade them. He's the only one who you cannot grade. He's just a guy and also i'm just a cleaner. Also you can only like gout or a certain amount of <unk> of blood in one level to upgrade no yes you can only upgrade a certain amount every every before the the big hill turn off the blood machine and say out of order on the thought sorry. You're doing too well powerful. You kill young. I'm here who she's supposed to be young but he just looks like adult amir because they don't have kids child for whatever reason games before this just couldn't do children children models. This is like i just thought he was like adults ear but that's supposed to be a thirteen year old version of himself. I thought it was. I thought he looked young enough. I think he just made them tinier. I think they made them smaller renaissance art when you go look at renaissance aren't all the the children are just tiny adults if they didn't know how to draw them back then like shrinking down like maybe like one point five scale and and then you guys just want to cover the epilogue partner anymore you want to take cover most <hes> i think we covered our need the rest of the best to explain this game stephan. I know you'll be listening to let me know. I i still wish to stephan could have been here just i would. I would try it out because he he didn't get a chance to play this game because he didn't he is computer is not good enough to run it and he wasn't able to get it on gamecube and you run out of time working so any i i told him i said i don't care. Just come on anyway just watch videos. It doesn't matter but he did go and see with like very little research this. He did it with stalker by the way he never really played soccer very long doc stalker. That's fine like you like you get. The gist of stalker killers seven is like this is fucking much far strangest game. We've ever done on this show you. This is by far the strange game. I've ever played in my life so still say light. Yes i got it so weird parasite. He even has like like connections to reality yeah. I've never played for so. I can't really say things make sense for the most likely like makes sense this game bullets kill dinosaurs in this game like you are a year and also that's amir and you exist but also there's that harmon and there's another harming maybe who knows house and asked until five times but he's still alive and he's still with you and that's why i say never tell me again that kim hearts metal gear solid are convoluted undiluted not after you shoot a mere. That's one of the game goes goes a flash forward three years and you end up credits all road. You think you beat the game but yeah there's a whole nother target. I've been talking about this. One actually what you guys show go into a level where every time you can always scan all the enemies and this one you can't scan they're still invisible have used the lock on button <hes> fun fact he's not high totally forget about the log on button and i just yuliya tim. I'd i'd like three times in that part until i got really close to to the frigging screen so i could see them in adamant shoot them. I don't so how did that because there's like forty patients who i thought it was like i thought the game was pulling like a halo reach or something and it was just going to be nonstop. Enemies until you die and i was like a joke inning or is like i mean it's not really forty. It's like twenty. Maybe maybe like maybe like twenty point dying reedit time max and suddenly you're finding a lot of them. Showing air wants is is the part where amir become super say in yeah. I'm sorry mike i needed to put 'em dragon ball tomorrow. I'm expected them later on his dad won't get there. They're so after you shoot all these invisible enemies you get to a room and i think if some guy sitting there remember who the guy was matsuoka. That's like go man any gives you a choice to either kill him and side with the american government. I think or let him live in five of the japanese government or something green yeah if you kill him. The united states be chums the world our mom because the last heaven smile will be gone if you let him live live than japan will take over america because like the heaven smile weekends america's defied or something what what did you guys choose. Did you let them live or kill them. <hes> i let him live. Mike kill them. I don't it doesn't matter. It doesn't change them. Oh yeah the ending is still going to be the same. The only thing that changes is which country just power. I guess is the the i i if i like my name. Again is live seven. Would you go downstairs. Though i mean i knew what was coming and then you find out who the who the last heaven smile is and you get down the stairs. Uh <hes> yeah that revelation it was i who i actually cut lung yeah. He's a he's the last smile you shoot. Em yep yeah the actual game and nothing else happens. Thank the credits roll. I got up. I went and had had some breakfast breakfast. I'm watching halo forward until daughter ever held. That crap is i'm waiting and then i get back up but i'm like what why is the t._v. Show on my computer and then then apparently it's one hundred years in the future in china and you have to i miss wherever cutting there was i just saw harmon sniper rifle and i shot come willing in the hand and that again it's just literally that it's just a hundred years later in hong kong. Harman's move in the congo long are having exact same battle that they had in the first commission after you kill the angel anime angel thing where <hes> harmon just shoots the sparkling fingers of con- long he catches at a he just goes up flying. It's literally the exact same animation and and and the congo along says let's let's dance and shoot his and this is like this is the canonical name for that power is it's called. God hands what i don't know now. I was so confused because i kept seeing god hand and i was like like the game like the game like have comes. Gotta hand like this is two games on exists. It's interesting because i didn't like game. I played killer seven and then they went to yeah. You got that right what they played them like the same because i think they were. Both in the civil war thing they did and i was like it was a plant and now it was because reiner wanna won the civil war thing and he just lead the community decide what game they <hes> they. They wanted to people to vote for which game they will do us. A super replay ended up being a tie so they both got hand. That's so weird because god had to exist in both the damage so strange like because of that coincidence. My mind was his broken. Can i can't think anymore. That was the breaking point very lessons on outlets all right. You guys ready to go to listener questions okay two hours but we doc through seven. I didn't think i thought that was might be shorter episode. I was wrong. You thought totally my friend going maga- browse like it's either we're going to just ignore everything and just talk about the gameplay. It'll be a forty minute episode i wasn't i wasn't going to let that happen. Take take forever. People know give two hour episodes. We'll have a few hour episodes coming up. I'm sure next the next one pry only ext negative. Weeks is going to be very short. I assume yeah so we meet you got and even i know what the game is so yeah facebook. Oh yeah it's enclaves with but you know. I don't remember what the game is so you. Here's a little bit okay. I wanna read from hundred david word. Today i remember sea games a kid in power and being completely transfixed. It felt sold dope but also very captivating especially to some fifth grader in central new hampshire. I feel like killers haven't really captured a part of that generation of games. There's a magical time for sure. It was definitely a weird. I mean i mean i remember when it came to me. I was in high school and i remember caught my attention and i ended up buying it and never beat it. I just so i just remember seeing it and like magazines and whatnot and the only thing that that interested me about it was because it sets seven in the title because i obsessed with the the number seven. Why isn't your youtube channel. Call seven mystery room seven and dropped at upside. I definitely bought the game. I think i bought it because of the game informer covered for it and i like the cover of the game and i was like i got really cool. I just never i just never played it. Really i have never played. I never had the intention of playing well. Thanks to my mom follow. These aso's the last week after guard from nick penny cook is one of my favorite abor games of all time and a lot of it is in the surreal story. Yeah that's a real all right. You wrote sorta metaphorical multi-layered and abstract way. It tells the story story okay. I'll give that one of those things. I think is probably not a lot of work for people like me or it may have it may has well have been directly made me for if you know what i mean <hes> no i i do know housing away to me and i'll read it might rain is wrong knowing i see where he's coming from because because i really like you know i'm a huge fan of twin peaks and david lynch in general and i like surreal stuff sometimes uh-huh and yeah i think i this is one of those games where i feel like. I really if i really took like a month or something or if i can. I just played it over and over again is whether i would've just absolutely adored. I would have been telling everybody years killer. Seven you know like everybody else. It would be like oh. That's shit like yeah. It's just you just haven't all of this podcast here. Listen to this this. This will explain everything is his will explain our report of michael. Flynn means what he had to say. He said a lot who actually really liked this game. I mean i didn't get a lot of comments. Mentioned likes on when i when i did posted this three group but some people did comment and we're like yeah. I love this game. This game is amazing up up for michael. Flemington design is a huge standout in the mix of sell shady and bloody violence was unique. I also love the cast of main supporting characters. I still have some dialogue spoke up stuck in my brain characteristic your fucked when when he needed enemies that come to mind when killing as many games which is coyote smith and i i awesome you're fucked and if a guy from a manual said may the devil have mercy which is not a question remember about. I've been meaning to tell you <music>. I've been meaning to tell you might you should just put a big and it's mostly because of my full name a listener comments and questions and because he comes frigging week every time that you say classes or anything. I just put a common. I don't even question people that's why it changed it because people i stopped me questions. I said memories 'cause some people have interesting things but you have a question. I know we kinda covered a little bit but now that we're just almost almost episode every week. The game sauce from michael michael huge is actually going to be on the show eventually. I would've said i would imagine adua guys will cover it in normal discussion but favourite smith i think we did but we kind of glossed over after everything else. You're still listening cons. Myth of my favorite hundred percent yep cosmic johnson baby and smith who was like spikes beagle is awesome. I love you up to this is just like the reload time of of con- dan walk around with like the revolver hanover's bag those so cool con is like easy easy mode. I guess in a way which is why i prefer him. I love my games on e._c. Through different stages in games like it used to be all about snipers and submachine machineguns. I'm on a revolver kick right now so for right now is dan came for that all right. I think we should do shell for sure right. Someone said hey come on. Come on all right. I'm going back and forth throughout the entire. Show still thinking about it yeah yeah. It's it's our have my mind made up going on a shelf for sir when i i played it for this. I didn't know what i was going to do. I'm like i don't really care for this. Why the hell gonna make play another horror game and after awhile it really clicked for me where i didn't wanna stop the plane 'cause i. I would play about one chapter at a time before i would be done for the day usually go to work or something and i just really enjoyed. It and i got near the end. Rightish couldn't and stop playing. I just really really liked this game and i probably don't overplay and just because one because this podcast and two. I have so much stuff. I wanna play but this was something. This is something that i will be beside plugging this episode. Everybody i can <hes> call people that play in this game. Just give us worth your time and you still even. We talked all about it. We may know it doesn't matter like you can still play this game and enjoyed. It doesn't hurt anything. He's not not playing it from the store. You're playing it for you know. It's fun none of the spoilers that we sit here. They're they're not gonna make sense to you if you eventually if anyone may make sense to me. I beat the game this week. I understand understand how some of the stuff he said. I was like wow reeducate about this game. So royal like surreal. Stuff is the best part it's so royal stuff by the way we mentioned that this is a gaming former editor serio bascus his favorite game. Yeah we did not now. I i would like to think that this is for him so explain to us because we don't understand <hes> it was it <hes> him and jimmy gualdi are going to be a guest starring this week with 'em ron ron was they were hired yeah okay. That's how imran got started. He was guest before he before he got hired so hopefully crazy easy week for everybody to smell the the group of game informer because it was the week that the layoffs happened to me. Actually it's been a crazy week all around. I i feel bad for them. When i heard that happened and i cried because i have been in this group for almost the beginning i want to say and i've just watched watched every one of them each week and all that i'm just like my heart can handle this shit hundred fiftieth person to join or something. I'm somewhere aware near the beginning to. I don't remember what i know early on to. I don't remember which which part i failed but nine and all that i've been there for way too long snuggling airplane like i went i scroll. I spent a whole like our basically scrolling down because i was like what do they join this group all the way to the bottom of the members list. I was like holy relations there a lot. We can do a whole of voters episode. This is about that facebook group by the way if we wanted to we should do we should just do an overbroad episode about could just play over blood out that all right. How about you show for box. Remind me again what show box stands for because i know that every time you know for me for listeners out there that goes against the wall that you would put your games games or both from a box is usually usually made out of cardboard a lot of times. It has four star chauffeur. Bachman show the game. A lot is something that you wanna talk about something. You're proud what if you're gonna put on your shelf something that you never want to don't you. Maybe like it but not enough. You're gonna put it in a box or you didn't like it at all and be done with it. One of the just throws out there shelford box just for our audience shelter. Box doesn't necessarily mean good or bad like my box. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's not a game. I identify myself with a very good example of that is mike atherton and last week when he boxed resident evil yeah. Those are fucking madman this week he shelves kenner seven. There's only one game that we done on this. Show that deserve to be put in a box and burnouts fallout fucking hated that game a and it was and number six episodes and we were just getting started man. We smacked ourselves health games right now beginning thing oh man dan. I'm going back and forth honestly because it was a good game. I really appreciate having played this game because i would have never played it. Otherwise was <hes> if it weren't for you for you might look at your fault. It is the same time i don't know there's there's just a lot of elements in the game that i really like the tools and the bosses and some of the bosses and sometimes just couldn't stop playing it but then there's the story as we're gonna how weird it is and some of the bosses and i'm like. I don't think i got the i'm gonna say box man. I just i already have i'm already known as the weird guy that loves kingdom hearts and metal your son so i can't third. I can't have third <hes> a weird asking him to be like hey have you ever played seven sequel. You don't have to worry about that. Thank god there's no sequels. It's a it's a box for me as much as i like the games. I really don't want to be associated with this game. It's the only thing that i if they're the only thing that i want to be associated with this. Game has made it devil have mercy. That's the only thing i'll take. That's the only thing that'll put on the shelf. I do about you okay. <hes> this is hard. This is probably the hardest one. I've done so far. I are welcome like the game. The game itself is fairly difficult at times like this game. It's different <hes> yes it does he said that much during the show but it it can get really are yeah we mostly talked talked about like the bat shit insane story but the game itself can be quite difficult challenging and there's a lot of satisfaction to beating it and like visually this game is. There's just nothing else that it's really comes close to it. I mean it goes. I just like the weird had cell shedding mixed with like the really do a lot of really bright color work like the they'll have like a very plain pallet. They'll be like grays and blacks and whites. It's like super hamas. I guess uber has fire like yeah. One of the close games do it super hot side note. I tried playing that game. I don't like yes it. Super hot like a lot of people talk about it but it's just like a fun little thing. That's it's not really a whole game. I feel like it's like it's like the best arcade game but like killer seven no. It's i love the visuals even even with as dated as they are and i believe this fivers and and i can tell you that the two thousand five hundred is very dated. The steam is really good by the way if you if anyone listening wants to play this game just get the steam version stacking game lead the the the gamecube version is anywhere from thirty to forty to fifty on ebay as not cheating team is like twenty or fifteen so by the same as stevens. He missed like twelve or fifteen. I think it's on sale right now. Say hey gabrielle goes stephen killers ever you want so it. Should it should be published. This will be published tomorrow so it's just i don't know the sale still on but if the also you'll get game but yeah it's it's got like the a slightly updated visuals. It's by this like two more polygons honestly but it looks better <hes> it's he's got such a strong like visual theme to it. The story is all over the place but at times. I really like how all over the place is. I really like how i like. How the story is told at times where it's just giving you very like glimpses into what's actually going on or like i wanna go back and replay this game now and see how much was foreshadowed or like kind of hinted at early on because i feel like i missed a lot amtra the people who are like die hard fans of this game for sure name times where it's like oh yeah we'll like harmon. Did this and that's how you know that he was like two people or something so i'd i'd like to go back and like really dive into the story like really take time to appreciate it thank. I think it's going on my shelf but i think the this shelf is hanging upside down. We're getting this again. I'm putting on the shelf but i'm also gonna make the shelf like surrealist faulk. The shelf is going to be like upside down now. There's maybe like a block of cheese nail to the side of it. They're going to be laughing on the shelf to paint the whole shelf while a single right dot on it so yeah. I think it's going to shell thick yeah because it still killer seven. I really enjoyed wait playing this game and i really enjoyed looking at this game. Despite playing the two thousand five person like a dog bu but yeah just the the characters are also unique in cool and even when they're not cool there so weird and out there. They still stand out like i i i can definitely say for sure that i will not forget travis and i will. I will have their image in my head for a long time. It's gonna take a while for me to forget like like half of the weird lines in this game travis's like like i missed the mijo uh-huh coming soon as one of travis's lines was like like i can't wait for you die and i'll be there when you're dead will be dead together and i'll be waiting few with a grin as why does the truth and it's such a weird metal gear line. It's like so over the top and soap opera. I really loved it is strange vary though yeah this is going on my shelf and i'm going to go back to it in the future and really dive in this is my promised all the die hard fans. I'm going to go back to it in the future diving and really like soak it all in at some point. I played over the course of a week this time but i feel like i feel like it deserves more. It's on the shelf ending being higher on the shelf on the bottom of the show it could go higher the pending donor table and you take it might go might go higher up when this okay that was that was funny. I didn't get like i didn't didn't play enough of the other care fears to like really low all their <hes>. Their intricacies didn't play very much. I did a pretty good. I didn't use kevin smith like at all. I think my only when he was fired yeah. I didn't tell you he he's as fast as con smith but he doesn't have to reload so he's not ask fast but he's close media. 'cause they recommend to us. If you're looking for somebody or something at style dial go invisible in like go through stuff too right yep. Yes is like the stealth character yeah. I feel like kevin smith. I wanna give kevin smith and kyrie smith <hes> more more time. I used kind of a little bit. <hes> feel like i a feeling i should've used her. More pool like the scope handgun knows awesome awesome that much either certain parts. I've waited awhile dan mask and play a little bit gone but yeah i feel like i want to go back and i want like experience more of his game so it's yeah it's on my shelf for short now before this episode overtakes how long the parasite eve episode sodas. I think to start wrapping this up close by the way so i just i so i bought this game you so i'm looking at the instruction booklet and it's got like information on all. The fucking character is an all of the goddamn informat. It's nice to have a take pictures of everybody like dossiers. Oh my god. I wish i had that well. We didn't use that either so no cheating with internet all right. I'm going to introduce what we're playing next week. Since it's also ended up becoming my pick as she was originally supposed to be we're we're playing super mario world all to yoshi island for the super nintendo again mom my mom actually found for me when i was a kid so oh engine isn't the second time that that at seven and that it is your mom phone very often if coming up later on three it wasn't it wasn't a resident evil. She bought my extra to this one markets were i didn't ask for too. She just bought a lot of me. She's about oh so next. Week will be officially. The first timer title makes them. I had a couple of times. Maybe i think a couple of games where vomit founded like batman man. I think had followed stephan couple d._j.'s fancier so yeah. She's also the whole reason why i just think it's called founded humor gameboy. I speak games. D._j.'s bombs found is harder title to say no originally is supposed to be yoshi island that had picked but after he left the show i changed changed yoshi island because i wanna play the d._s. Version someday but i i i've never beaten she's island even though i had it as a kid and i got excited to finally we play it and talk about on the show. Actually i've i've. I've diversion that i've played was the game boy advance version because i've never had like any s._n._e._s. and sixty four hundred that i've just had the handhelds for a long time so you have everything at your fingertips yeah now. I can now account play now. I am playing with power. You're not sure platformer so if i'm angry or not here next week you know what hey there. Save states isn't the one who doesn't like platforms. What's happening. Here is up later by this. I'm i'm i'm just going to be fading crazy. The only platform are excited by mega man. Oh i play. I played that do you guys did the frigging podcasts in this case. The only platform are like is like one of the most difficult five hundred dollars. I can't have you. You didn't enjoy enjoy mega man emmanuel. You're telling me it wasn't fun for you. I know i love. I love my ma boy mega man. I i love him but i love mega. Man x not do original mega man. There's just a few item. Choose great one is one is a bit sean there. Oh yeah mega man to his way you better than than is miles ahead. It's unbelievable yeah okay before the show. Let's not doing if i want to thank everyone for listening <hes> emmanuel since you're the guest want anything you want to plug your youtube channel <hes> yeah you can find me over at youtube dot com slash history room mix. I do weekly show called for strike where i basically do the same thing as replay except just by myself because reasons i yeah i i basically just sit down and take a look at the beginning of a video game. Usually it's a movie time game or this week was actually intersection that i did just because of the show because of the of the podcast but i do like other other episode. It was supposed to be a show just for r._p._g.'s but then i was like i can do anything so whatever i do every any game that i that i've lease <hes> <hes> and you can also look for me over twitch dot tv slash the mystery room <hes>. I'm going to be playing josie island this week. I i like it doing this this whole thing of playing along with you guys sometimes so you did you mean you didn't play along last week. We did resin yvo. Are you telling you to not play along with that game name. I know you love them. We're no. I will not okay. Here's the deal. I was supposed to like play resident evil if my channel got one thousand subscribers by october first and dan since it's not even two hundred i'm not gonna play resident. Yeah we had a thousands and listen to everyone his shadow right now but we don't do it to me. I already have ladies mentioned ready. I'm gonna play the other way too serious. I'm gonna play the other resident evil game and each version and you play in on modern consoles and you're using a guide. It'll be scary but it's very very very doable one day. I'll do it mike. I promise you one day. It's big enough. I will make sure your mic over one day. I we'll do not there yet. I'll do it one day for for you guys. I'll do it one day but not today satan actually play to we'll have mercy easy on me but yeah this week. I'm going to be playing super mario world to yoshi silent to keep up with guys since you're doing that episode next so i got a four star fox sixty four the other time though that one it was just a one episode because i was sitting you can't be warm. Yeah i mean i took the path like komo. Come on over here nor i didn't use safe-space. Oh i don. I very rarely use safe states. My mike manuals better than you. I l scum like an okay might use a safe space. I use the almighty power our rewind like in super. Mario brothers tree mega man all jets. You know all right <hes>. If you like this show you can find more on. We're on almost podcasting plus. Just found this so please recommend share. Tell everyone about the show. We want to get more people listening because we got bigger plan end that we wanna do <hes> after here's should be a bonus episode releasing this week that i promise last week but due to scheduling issues. It's coming this week. There's more stuff coming to we'll see. I don't even know what is gonna be posted this friday. Who knows which one. I have decided yet. I'm going to ask you different ones. I don't know what i'm going to so so please stay tuned and also follow us on facebook twitter and instagram constantly posting new things on facebook and instagram and also our our song. We came courtesy of bobby aka. Mike stony from z. t. bite the bullet song of the cool kids squad. Please follow along the way. 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Nepotism at its finest with Dr. Daniel Smith and Dr. Rusty Fitton (CHP 58)

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Nepotism at its finest with Dr. Daniel Smith and Dr. Rusty Fitton (CHP 58)

"Welcome to clinical hacks where real working dentists talk real dentistry. Sit back relax tighten your tough Meyer prepares to be clinically hacked. What is up clinical hack nation? Welcome back to another episode of the Clinical Hacks I'm Zach miners and I am solo again today except that I brought back my team of Dudes who practice what through Dad's here so. Come back for another episode. Welcome Dr Dan Smith Dan. Hello and over from Chicago I got rusty fitting man what's going on man what's going on guys? We didn't touch on this in the last episode rusty were I've grown. Up in Chicago you. Lifelong. Jack. Suburbs and then have lived in the city roughly the last ten years so. My wife works downtown. So one of us had to commute doing the commute for now. And we'll be back out in the BURBS. He practice in the burbs in like kind of right near where I grew up. So You're I know you're considerably? Younger and better looking than I am but how about you what you think about the last dance where you old enough to appreciate. Some of that ninety stuff or not. That was just like a trip memory lane honestly in I kinda grew up more of a hockey fan but the. Way I think, as Chicagoans, you live I the successful teens in you live on nostalgia mean we're still living on the eighty five bears. For people. So yeah, I mean watching that was just like. I mean every bit of nostalgia flowing back I mean, of course you know you hear a lot Lotta. People say, Oh, that is so biased. Only reason I got Jordan do it was because he had the stay on everything I think anyone in Chicago they're like I. don't even care. That was amazing. No I thought it was an amazing documentary. In a lot of things, I was too young to appreciate it. I was born in eighty five. So ten eleven while out of this is happening. I only remember ever get to see Jordan play. Did you ever get to see a? One game. Okay. Now, you guys is that a sports ball sort of movie that you guys are talking about. No it's a it's a it's a dance dance revolution thing. You ever play that game. That's what I figured. Yeah. Sweat sweated out at the mall in my my eight HR. My Jink owes. Jeans comfortable. Really, coming back through me. So in this covert era, one of the things I'm missing the most is a watching go into a good summer movie. Last summer, they had marble endgame. That was that was a great summer flick I I always like a good popcorn CGI smash them up type of movie. And so we can't watch this year I want to know what your guys is maybe like an all time. Favorite Orage the summer movie you guys really enjoyed Dan. You got to got any particular summer movie that stands out. So apropos this week. Independence. Day. Young Repentance Day is the I like summer blockbuster that I can I can really remember in like. CRAB BLOWS UP AND You know Uncle Eddie flies a plane into the. Into, the the middle of. Flying saucer thing I mean it's a great movie and you know America. MERICA. Rusty I see I see struggling to come up with one of you. Have you thought of one yet or you know I own an I I'm I'm a big back to the future fan I mean I haven't watched. Your. So but like I'm a huge fan of that trilogy, someone was given in arguments racist recently how it's not age very well, there seems it probably would be cancelled today but I, don't care. It's a classic. You know. Do you are you referring to the sun? In the car with his mom or the older adult having a friend relationship with a high school teen. That movie. I'll still go with it. It's a classic series I I love. I love back to the future. That is that's my favorite movie trilogy of All Time I did not see the first one I was too young to seem that theater but by the time, the third one came out I did I did see that one that one was a summer movie. That said WANNA pick. The original one, thousand, nine, hundred, and nine Michael Keaton Batman is my popcorn flick that was like the first like real like Kinda. Darker Action Movie that my dad took me to he like. We're going to Batman like my sisters and mom went to honey I shrunk the kids or something like that. But my dad took me to Batman and that just blew my mind I. Like it was I was I was young enough that was a little bit scared but it was cool and all the gadgets so. Good Eighty nine Michael Keaton Batman that's my one a saw that one of her drive. Like That'd be a great drive inflicted. Driving. Yeah All right. So we are back to talking about praxis with our parents and this week we're gonNA throw throw shade at our at our parents burst thing I wanNA know Dan. This is kind of a we trend tend towards being a clinical show would last last episode. It was all just kind of stories and whatnot clinically what is like the oldest or more archaic thing you guys utilize earn are have around the office things that we still have an electric surge Okay I don't know I. Don't know how to use one of those things. I was never taught how to use one of those things I can smell when it's being used. So, we do have that we we have this. Cabinet of. polycarp Nikolai on crowns that I will hear. Will hear my especially in the assistant like pulling it out of the cabinet you can hear like roughly wrestling through it all. And he's creating some tooth out of whole cloth out of these, you know preformed crown things and I'm like we have this machine. Can do it. The computer does it for and he just he's he loves that stuff That's probably we have some old implant stuff hanging around. For a little while in like the late eighties and early nineties, Michael places on implants you know who completely free hand a lot of the implants and there's still some in our practice that we see in hygiene recalls they're not timed. So when the patient comes into like, yeah, this thing is getting a little bit loose. There's no internal heck seeing it's just like a sleeve of titanium that's in their bone that the hammered it in. Also we do have mallets at our practice I know where they are and I will not let anybody touch them. You're. GonNa. Make Kevin Fryer sad because he's still actively uses his electro search to this day. So You'RE GONNA. You'RE GONNA you're. GonNa eat shaver. Co Two laser. Now, you can't same same somebody with hair that magnificent. Timeless. Rusty, what's the? What's the most ancient? Piece attack. that. Good. He's really kept up with with technology pretty well, but man, he hangs on a rubber base he still used. Yes a logically. Swears. And it's not all the time but the times he feels like he needs to use it ill, he will rave and rant about how it's the best thing ever. I it cracks me up. I feel like there's probably other options nowadays, but you know say Say there's there there might be some. dentures or still not great. He he has I. Don't know. You know you got the little crank turning thing. The Korean pushes out the. Each. A and B or whatever that is and. You can smell it from a mile away. and. You will swear by it for dentures is that like a thirty or forty minutes sent? Oh. That's the one thing that comes to mind I'm sure there's others but yeah, we have polycarbonate crown sitting around and stuff he doesn't really dig into those but. Okay. You got. Zach. What I? Did you guys. Are you guys old enough to have used rubber base and then scored? They already moved on because I I did I learned over base. That's how. We move now you guys already beyond that man we had. Okay. So you could ever want to see. In fact, I had classmates that would go to the clinic dispensary and get tubes of it, and then use one and save one. Together and then get on Ebay and sell it gray marcus style and that was their beer money. Nice we. See. Somebody copper bands around your practice for for for bill the. G. BUILDUPS Yeah I I can't figure out how to make those work but. copper bans for for for some for some buildups. Let's see dad still makes like if he makes a custom tray for a case and I'm not I'm not opposed to a custom tray for if you're impression. But instead of the triad stuff, he's got that old like hand mix the blue acrylic that has that horrible smell the self cure blue acrylic. Hike high gone style style acrylic. In fact, he's had for. So long the original stuff used for years discontinued and he had to find a new one so. That's another one. But honestly, our worst thing is our is our practice management software from a defunct company that This We've had since nineteen ninety. So written on a little known Operating System called Fox pro. So yeah. So no-one no-one and he understands any of those words that just said but that is This is the year we're finally get moving to open dental I've I've got it hammered down it's going to happen but it should have happened about I. Don't know. Fifteen years ago. McCain merge those files over shockingly yes. Those people are the conversions they can though they have cautioned me that it might be a little rough. Realistic. Yeah. Yeah. It is but I guess I guess they can do it they even it's even on their website is they've they've done it before so What has been the. Hardest thing to kind of bring your dad around on Dan you've obviously got the digital tech on was that hard to get parents into. Yeah I think the digit just because it's so. It's so imaginary to to. Like there's there's a there's a generational break there. You know the people who hold their phones and use one finger in sort of in and out with the phones, they hunt and peck. Think they would learn to use a typewriter keyboards not that much different, but it's all hunt pig stuff. Yes I. Guess Digital's probably been the toughest thing. To bring them along on. After think about that were the on Rotary Endo before you got there. Yeah. We rotarian over yet dad Doug at the end though award when he was in dental school. If he hadn't been an older like he he got a master's in bulk or a masters in Biochemistry and worked at Oak Ridge National Laboratory doing research in the late seventies, and then then went to Dylan's school. So he was he was in, he was an alternative type student I. Guess So. He he went to school and he got into Indo in love that stuff and so he was hand filing early on, but he went to rotary very early. There was nothing for me to teach him. He was doing a Dura a warm vertical down pack us a big Steve, Buchanan, guy. Do we do have some sweet. You know video cassettes around our office that you can borrow and watch if you want to to learn how to use you know GT. Files. How about? Like resins or any of them rock and some like composite that was from like. One thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, or something like that or are they are they? Are they all used in something that's relatively modern competitive wise or like Matrix? Wise. I mean, my my dad's stayed up on things pretty well, I would say. Once in a while you know he loves CNBC metabolically he swears by that suffer Joe. Wow, we achieved. Enough why? He, loves it. He He. He did something fixed went up and he sent it to him when they put it in Dental magazine in Oh man that was that was a big day for him. We listen we seem to be met a bond. You gotta break the chemistry set out sometime. God Yeah. Yeah. It's A. Step based at be three for you know there are so many steps involved with it but three of the catalyst the whole. Oh. Okay. so that's a salvage. Is He submitting his regular crime bridge that or is that just really like a? Crazy situation thing is it for literally one thing is if someone chips off a front tooth and they have the piece of the tooth left, he bonds back that. Wow. He's like he's convinces because it's a little bit flexible stays on their longer. That's that's his rationale but it's worked for him for a long time. So did you use it? I've used it a couple of times I kinda like just got so sick of steps involved with it, and like I started of pull this stuff out of the the mini fridge or it's like totally ice crusted over. So you're taking it out of there like I don't know how old this like we're not going to go this route. Is. It feels like it's been in there for twenty years. And every time I say that it is not just Boston. So racy you do you do some surgery? Don't she do some surgery implants and the gas? Briefly last episode. Yeah I do a little bit Really. Started because he was doing a bunch of that. So You know in terms of the digital stuff too. I, mean we had one of the old school I- Tarazi heads a foot pedal to like. It was only static photos. You know you had to keep moving around your ten different positions. So under that stuff pretty early. And I would say he knows enough to be dangerous in. Like he really has kept up much better than I would say his peer group, but I definitely stomach sounds like it. Yeah. you know you try to bring the next level of it to the table when you come in so. did you guys have a practice website before you guys walked in the door or did you guys have to be kind of in charge of getting that going for marketing staff Dan but you guys? Already, know. That was the website guy well so is it turns out my my younger brother. Started building his own computers when he was like twelve and so he I'd worked with him and he put the website together for us two thousand eleven or whatever we we. Bought the. Url names and all that stuff but prior to that now, none of that existed prior to me joining the practice. How about you rusty about marketing websites that was your dad up on that too or did you have to bring that to the table? You know he he had a website pretty early really never he still doesn't really do any marketing I. mean he really doesn't do much in terms of that. So I've been kind of dabbling a little bit but yeah, I've had a website just basic stuff is pretty much it. I in a one practice websites weren't worth that hot quite yet in. So we definitely had just kind of spearhead is getting on the on the on the Internet within a few years end getting some just general marketing going now I will say this my dad could not leave a google review for a business if he if he had to. But man is he graded asking people for Mike, it's like seriously. Motivates him to like get someone to leave us a review like all time. He asked you'll ask someone for one after he does something greater they complement him and the next day. Personally review the better left of. So like prostate for that. He like gets that he gets that going but he There's no way in hell he leave review for. Any other business and asked him to do it. So but he gets he gets a kick out of that so. Good for him God. Bless him. Yeah. I can bless his heart. Plus his heart. Is there any like patient stories of like where you got you got kind like you know crapped on like like you sold a Bridgen. Next thing you know what's on your dad's schedule or or some sold a cosmetic as the next thing you know your dad's prompting the veneer any of those like were you you just got Kinda crap on the young guy rusty you're smiling pretty big. So I bet you got something for me. I don't know if there's any I've gotten crapped on as the young guy. There have a couple of moments where like some patients will ask like. Older brother had that once or twice. A. At. You know in terms of there's definitely is a couple of times like how the heck is at my schedule stuff patients that I've seen but no I mean I it I honestly joke like Oh. Yeah. You saw my big brother before every once in a while joke with people about that. Realize sometimes they take it seriously they don't really get the joke put the other people that have been like, oh. Yeah. You know I saw your older brother and I'm thinking like what you know I have two younger brothers sometimes I think they're just getting my brothers confuse but. Being about my dad so It's it's I get a kick out of that. He gets a kick out of two so. How about you Dan? She'd get thrown. Use The you've been young guy. Early on I got I got stuff shunted to me. That was like you know I could spend an hour and a half doing quadrant of fillings or it's been an hour and a half cutting grounds guess who's doing the fillings? Yeah. So I got a little bit that and it was sort of cash as well. Keeping your schedule and you know we're getting to know the patients or whatever. I mean fine. But I mean in the last few years. We really have our own patient basis at this point What my uncle is world famous for is not responding to hygiene at all. At all none. Oh, like the the light or whatever your. Little headsets and it'll be like Gupta duck ray for hydrogen exam and just nothing like complete crickets, radio silence, and so eventually, hygienist shows up at my my opertors are closest to the hygiene opportunities. So they're like Dr Daniel can you come do this is unique and they've been waiting for like thirty minutes Dr Steve You go in, you introduce yourself whatever, and most of these people have seen at least once or before over the years and you know they need something like they need ground or they need. XYZ Or hey, in vigilante great for your whatever and so maybe spend a little time talking with them and all of a sudden that's in my uncle schedule, which means like I have worked the case up a little bit sold them on it, and then all of a sudden because his but didn't get out of his chair. Because he was doing Indo or something. He gets he gets the production and that has that has burned me up a few times I have stopped being so generous with my words. After not not that, I don't want him to succeed or practice to succeed or whatever. But you know that is that's my time and I'd like to be compensated for it, and if we're not gonna work that way then. We'll miss. Smith you look great today Garcia. Glad to see you in six months i. I have sold so many crowns or done so many endo. Crown because like. They. Just WANNA SEE DADDY O. I mean that that was especially in the first ten years man that was that was tough to get over and I I get my dad a lot of health where he was probably really on me as much as anyone but that was that was tough that that part that part of it was tough to get along to get along with for sure. We've only we've really only had a couple. There's been a couple cases where we. In always a dad had always been really good about. Your schedule that's my schedule and your patients by Beijing my uncle and as as had some friction over patients here and there Shum. which is a different Diane's your uncle it's not your dad. So I a different dynamic and inside there's there's a little bit of. Different. Energy when it comes to that So we've had some friction over a couple of cases, but mostly that that was just because somebody didn't bother to actually communicate. Got In and took it for granted and then we've lied sore butts on the backside about it. So. I feel like in a lot of you know associate and mentor relationships or or Father Son relationships a lot of times when they go sour. I feel like the mentor is always the one that gets gets blamed a lot of cases I feel like it's always a two way. Street. What. Can someone WHO's listening? WHO's maybe a dental student? Or a young dentist WHO's worked with family member? What can you do as the associate side of it or as the as the younger partner in it to make it work like what are some things that you've done? Dan like as has made it work and made to be successful. They're. Be Willing to acknowledge that you don't know what you don't know especially if you're real young fresh out of school like I know people coming out of school have learned a ton of stuff. But man they're so much soft people skill that is so valuable that only comes with experience like you don't. You don't get to learn how to deal with people who are trying. We're having to pay. It's it's a pretty big bill for some people share in. That causes a lot of emotions on their side. So you've gotTA learn how to deal with it, and that only comes with experience and if you've got people in your office who have that experience, my God learned from that like soak that information up because if you can accelerate that learning curve and. Cutting a crown is Like you ought to be able to do that and you know. Cut One molar crown and you know fifteen or twenty minutes. It's not that difficult to do but the person attached to that too. That's where the real sort of magic of owning practice in running a practice comes from and if people were there that have been doing for thirty years. If they're successful, they're learn from that success. How `bout you rusty what what what do you think? You've done on your end to make this be a a thing that's been successful for decade. I mean, I would definitely like to think that I kept an open mind about things I was I assisted in rural surgeons office for four or five years before I went to before school for a year, and then during school a little bit So if anything I got a bigger respect for my dad and I kind of mentioned it before is that like you know I thought that's at all. Did you see some of these teeth come in and you're like that was gonNA sing. Out of there. So you just start you know it's a respect on a different level in terms of you kinda need to come in with an open mind in You know like you said Dan, there's obviously something making them successful in my. Some of it is is definitely hand skills not you know see ian intangible things in terms of the way they practiced serie, but there's so much the biggest thing just like you said was the intangibles I talk to people that stuff goes so much further. Again sometimes, WE WANNA come out of school and just start sprinting and it's the hardest thing to do is to be patient. But if you can be patient a little bit have delayed gratification mindset a little bit. I think it works out really well in the long run. I agree with both us that both the guys on that it's like a some humility is is definitely warranted like no matter what what you did in school and how great you think you are until you've been doing this thing for in at least five closer to ten years in the same spot and you start seeing those failures man, you don't. You don't know anything and and if you do, you're getting ready to be humbled. You know for sure. So you know listen to someone who's seen the beads and seeing the you know seen the scene, the negatives negative side of this is. It, L- listen to those people is big time also don't walk into your practice. You know thinking that you're going to be a success in the first year or two as as the new guy it's. It's not GonNa happen like you gotta be. Yeah. Like Rusty said patients be patient it's going to happen you just have to. You'd have to let you know you have to let it happen. You have to what some things naturally happened, but be ready to accept some of those things like I had ups and emergency stuff to kind of get my base. Set Up, and I had to be willing to do the quads operative and scaling and root planing like rusty did hygiene and stuff like that. You can't be too proud to. Accept some of those things to get started I I I just think that's You know the the biggest part of be ready to market your dad or mom or uncle or they they. They didn't plan. They don't know what it takes to add a second person most likely and you're going to need to market for it. You're going to have to add your own skills in kind of. Your own little niche out of the out of the place. That's that's what ultimately kind of. were. That granted I mean you know if you're lucky enough to be in that sort of situation, those days are not GonNa last forever. So definitely don't. Stop and enjoy it. You know there's plenty of lasts along the way and all that great stuff and that's the stuff you're gonNA. Miss the most when it's gone you know. Now What's What's one thing you would do over in terms of the entire process of at all if you could talk to yourself in year one, what would what would you? What are a couple of things you would have done differently to make it smoother for for you the associated or smoother for your dad or any of those things Dan. At that transition I. Thought Looking back on it I didn't. I didn't do my due diligence in finding out what the practice was all about. Because I've been gone for essentially eight years of dental school in the navy and so it wasn't it was a bad but it just wasn't. I didn't look through. Have started, Wilmot? I? Didn't have a memory of it with Dennis dies. Okay when I showed up. The transition wasn't as smooth as it could have been. I guess I guess that's what I would tell. Very, thin in shape two, thousand, ten, two, thousand eleven, Dr Daniel is. NEURONE YOU'RE NOT GONNA get paid to work out anymore. So you know enjoy that Jojo and number two Do Your Business due diligence more. That would make a smooth transition in terms of my expectations for like what my life was going to look like for a pace standpoint from a clinical standpoint from. Take to run a business kind of stuff. Would you? What would you tell yourself to to do? Tell you take a certain course or. Maybe. Dental town at the time had a bunch of those like diddly Mba kind of things just some basic business stuff. I didn't know how to read a P. and L.. So my my undergrad political science for God's sakes it's not even biology or chemistry. So. Like. Do you want to discuss dystopia in novels? Sure I can do that but that's not really going help me out when it comes to. You know lower we. Thirty percents down last month or whatever on the piano. So. Part of it would be education part of it would be be willing to say, Hey, by the way have dual representation Could I have my own guy? Look at the contract could have my own guy look at devaluation. I would push harder on that and I don't know that it would make that much difference from at this point in time. But in the first six months, I look back and thought Oh. God. Have screwed myself just a little bit here. It could've been could have been done better but that's like that's not that's not a clinical thing That's a that's a business in a little bit interpersonal thing. I put more trust in that relationship. Or that relationship the business side of things got more I was more trusting in it. Guys of. Because of the fame relationship, how about you rusty what would you would you tell your daily graduating self of how to do this better I mentioned the the patients part of it but I definitely think making sure you put a lot emphasis on C. E. keep educating yourself even if. You're not getting those those shots clinically keep the your eye on the greater prize in terms of its marathon. It's not a sprint. So you gotta you know patients it takes time to build things with put an emphasis on on learning more expanding your skillset whether you have a family member does that or dozen definitely provide you with more opportunities and it's hard I mean. It it's hard to at some point like I always thought my dad, my best interest for me for sure But you know when you decide to say, you know push back on some things. What's good to push back on I? You know that's something I'm still learning every day but the only way that you learn more about that as educating yourself on it. So something doesn't. Seem right talk about it and I I honestly don't really know if I'd do anything differently but there's not really one way to do it either I mean I focus a lot on implant C e after but I don't really think that's the only way people should do it. A lot of different ways ago. So to echo what you rusty said I would. Definitely. Try to carve out your own CEO Kinda thought dad would would teach me a lot of those things but it turns out in the course of a busy day and then unless you're gonna stay after hanging on the weekends and do the stuff you gotta learn the stuff yourself. So you gotta you gotTa spend a little bit your own time. you know kind of learn and doing your own things and then the second thing I would tell myself is that I needed to have had like Danielson with the business stuff I needed you have had some pushback and realize that like. To get myself going it was gonNA take maybe some insurance involvement Amar, some kind of a marketing plan. It was going to take something to to get me there So those are those are the two main things that were identified high should have been. More, successful sooner on and I just kind of let the years kind of slide by thinking eventually was going to happen eventually it's going to happen and it did but that. I. Let I let it go. Let let let us go to waste for sure and that was a bummer. So that's the that's the main thing I'd tell myself. The other. The. Other pearls on this topic that you guys have asked him before we sign off for the day the it seemed I would say for for Mayan with it I. think that you definitely have to be willing to be someone who's coaching ball. Yet, if you only appear that way at while you're your work in you do your own see if you really feel like something's not making sense to you but I mean. I probably didn't do it as often as I should. But if I had an hour where I was free in, my dad was doing something I didn't really know I mean I was I was trying to not necessarily assist try to pick up some some pieces along the way because again I mean, you know you get a little older realize people pay a lot of money for some of that stuff for Ian should always go and do your own but you can pick up the office do but you gotta be you have to be willing participant not just doesn't find you on its own. So that's been more than more than my fair time hanging out the doorway of dad and uncle Steve's ops like watching. You know whatever they were doing and it's some. So at picked up a lot of crandon bridge stuff that way. Especially, some impression technique stuff like my uncle, a huge imprint fan and I, never had used the stephens now used it for a Lotta years after that because he was able to show me how it works and and but I agree with you rusty like it's Taking your own ce in finding something you can bring to the practice. you know there's so many continuous. You know there's implant continues and there's the Maxi course and there's IMPLEM- pathways now, but you know there's there's also an abridged stuff out there to share, and that's still is valuable. Still Good. Learn develop relationship with elaborate sometimes like I did not enjoy. My father's labs or my uncles I developed my own lab relationships and that open some doors to some other see stuff that I got to do over the years that I brought back to the practice and all of a sudden. It opens doors for for the other people in the practice to be doing foam three habilitation that sort of stuff. On. On a completely non-clinical or business dentistry note. Still, hang out with like your your parent or uncle and like at a family function don't talk about the shop like you got to carve out that like that like actual father son relationship or mother daughter whatever that whatever it is when you guys get together for like a you know fourth of July Mother's Day father's Get together and don't talk about the shop like that. That's that was a big one to be at some point like leave the leave the business in the walls or maybe on the phone. But like let the family gatherings be a thing that was that was always big for me is like moving beyond it when we weren't there how about you guys any troubles? Family events of. Talking shop all the time or. Yeah already made the Ma Jake about that. Yeah. By my uncle in Memphis wants to talk shop constantly. Bananas. In. So we you know we do some of that reunions and holidays and stuff It's sort of unavoidable for us but. Yeah, there's plenty of other stuff that. You know my my uncle's a great If he wasn't a DNC botanist, he grows gardens and if you've got questions about what flowers to plan or whatever like he knows that stuff and loves this stuff So we have a good. We have a good relationship there, and like dad now go to ut stuff and go watch Tennessee you know suck win on the football field for the last few years or whatever. So that's. Beth yeah you. But you gotta develop that because it's not just. The the stuff that happens from eight to four Monday through Thursday how about you recipe of trouble at at family functions I mean. You can you get away from it? Were we're guilty of it from time to time for sure but I if anything yet. I, mean it's brought us closer together as as humans and family members. You know you're going to college you're gone in dental school I mean even though I went to dental school not that far from home. Works. By the most I've hung out with Amon. Year. So you're. You know I think it's definitely brought us closer together and again it's something I. Feel Lucky for because you hear a lot of other people that just it's just not if anything that was the worst decision that could have ever made to work together. So makes you feel pretty lucky for what you got. Guys I think that about wraps it up. Thanks for doing this. Two Parter on you know successfully proximal the family member I. think that's I recognize that this only appeals to a small slice of the of the of the audience. But for for those of you in that are doing it you know and I'm sure you can relate to a lot of the stories that were. told these last two episodes so Russi stand. For both you guys. For project minors. Thank you for listening and we'll will catch next week.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)

"Ooh. What are you guys doing among here at. ESPN seventeen Los Angeles Friday is tomorrow. Yes it is yes. Thank God it's Friday. Okay wait. I'll be working doing less with that here here. Holding down the shore you to go off if gallivanting around no I'm here. I'm not where I'm working. I'm playing golf. Let's just be clear for everybody was in Keach. We'll be here tomorrow so don't just sit. I'll be back me up now but we WANNA make sure people know that. I'm going to be here where I'm GonNa be here working with you. Okay and whomever's going to fill in for traffic handy handy and then after that. I'm going to go home change. Get my entire alumni. USC GEAR so sir. I'm wondering what's funny. When we went to your club. I was really pleasantly surprised to see you fully decked out but I'm gonNA really be alumni. Do that got. It needs help up. The stairs. Socks shoes a red panda. Pay All Gossip Guy Yeah. It's been coming to game since nineteen eighteen. We'll be preview of that game tomorrow. Yup and watch the TROJANS. I'm going to start tailgate net three yeah what else you got a tailgate for key so nice that key animated at eight o'clock been sleep for three hours. Happy Birthday Chris Yeah. Yeah thank you guys. It is seven fifty seven keys doppler at the age sixty three degrees Pico Rivera mostly cloudy high of seventy nine today. That's vetted better late than never keep better. Lethal never yes. That's what I always say. Idiots talk like a pirate day. Keys headline is presented by sprint talk like a pirate is to get on Vance about that pirate the pirate Talkin. It's like dude stop why did pirates and every sentence with our mark. Why was that what they did. They had turned Burns Kaku doodle. Do I'll never get this but I guess I can understand standing as I'm starting to learn about it a little bit more so churchill home was robbed. A second suspect arrested in the gold toilet death so over in London police have arrested a second suspect in the unusual case involving theft of go a golden toilet from Winston Churchill's birth place well. I think you say tying top ten. Tim's Tim's value two PM's Valley police had on Tuesday Tuesday thirty six year old has rested of suspicion of conspiracy to burglarize. He's re released pending his investigation. He's released released on his own. the two suspects have been charged and but they've been identified the police investigation over Saturday morning death of a toilet a golden toilet which is a work of art. They say I mean I don't know a gold toilet a real goethe as it related or whatever is valued at a million pounds now. I guess a US dollars in it and say says one point two million. I'm thinking they're talking. US dollars golden toilet was a work of art from an Italian artist this. I don't even want to try to say his name but it's try. Try be worth a Marizzio. That's good Mauri Merisi Joe Callahan Don Don. Yes okay. US finally woke up and so they arrested him. They got this guy but he's trying to steal a toilet yeah well. It's a goal toilet. He isn't a real gold toilet a working when you mean like a real goal the story. I don't think it's real gold and why would they steal it because it's Art Jackson. I don't think it's real gold first carrots gold old toilet well not in the story that Chris gave me it does not say the Daily News says eighteen right go toilet. It also has a name for the toilet. It doesn't in this toilet. No Oh I'll give you each a guess as to what the Golden Tornadoes name can I go. I go golden throne no gold and flush no peanut gallery. I think el-sisi new job is to provide KITA headlines every better do you have do you have any idea con America. The doting toilet is it's called America or a little shade there. Let us say a now. I understand I guess you could. I mean if Israel go. I just don't think Israel go well. If it's real gold they'll sell it or down or something but I might answer the question but we've heard stories of other gold toilets. I get it if you're rich. You buy things that regular people don't buy fancy cars houses all great good for you. Why do you need. I mean we know anybody that wants to do. Get you go refrigerator same thing. When you open up the bathroom you can look at the Nice shower the Tub and Oh and there's a golden toilet it makes sense to me golden egg. I mean you know do you. Do you own it. I don't know he's not a goal looking guy though I don't have anything if he put on a gold chain with Travis would look like that's it. Goethe's played to me L Z Dina's go all right that was keys headline in the morning. You're listening to K. SBN Los Angeles the dodgers Rogers lost last night which is kind of a whatever I mean they're trying to run down the Astros two games back with nine games to go we could do the astros are still trying to hold off the Yankees Yankees for best record in baseball which means they're going to run their guys out there so that's probably could not impossible but very very difficult. Cody bellinger hit his first home run in a while. That's good. The news got a couple of hits. You might finish over three hundred. That's really good news. None of it matters because the better part of two good weeks of Kenley Jansen work went up in smoke because he looked like the bad version of himself last night and it was closer to the playoffs. I really didn't need to see that well. I'M GONNA blame the I'M GONNA blame. You are guys know well. You can't blame his wasn't his fault that he walked to do. No no he's far. He missed a strike. He walked on strike. I'm not signing off on. That wasn't a strike. Yes okay how big L Z guys miss pitches all the time it happens. It happens offense but if if Kenley Jansen is so fragile than an umpire misses a ball that's on a fee. It probably was a strike. I agree but he missed his spot catcher. Ed reach for it which always puts a weird spot if that's going to send him into a tailspin put you out of a lot of times in sports in general something something one thing triggers another right. I mean one thing just for sure so when you miss on that in your mind you're going back to the mound. You're thinking like damn okay. This is another I gotta do this. You're still thinking about what just happened. Let's say it's gone. It's in space. Now is out of here here. That's what they try to tell you. Drop a ball in football game yet. You see guys continuing. You probably get rid of that. Man Do get beat deep. They say oh man he shook. Let's go to him again. Sure instead of him. Defending yourself in this is Kelly Jesse. He's gotTa shake whatever that is off in move forward. I completely agree. How many Berle's did you drop in your career probably like six okay six so when you dropped one you didn't drop a bowl the next time he threw what happened. You caught it right yeah. They're talking to meet Gordon six but I probably would legitimize rob. You caught the next one and then my point like mistakes happen. The umpire made a mistake the well now we're screwed now now. What do you want from me. I got the guy out now. It's over but it's also as a pitcher you know this that if he doesn't give you a particular pitch that you feel as a strike now you're trying to. I figure out what it is that they will strike for. Neka mess with you for a little bit it can and does but it's also one of these things that look it happens in Kenley Jansen Zeman pitching itching in high leverage situations for a really long time. This isn't the first time in umpire missed and again. This wasn't a saints fans wasn't a right down the middle fi regis Nicole it was not it was a ball that was by the Kaysone was a strike was a strike but it wasn't a okay if that's not that was one of those you know what it probably clipped the corner but all right. Let's go. Maybe I gotta move it an engine and that he just came unglued from that point. Here's a quote afterwards didn't inhabit today. Just gotTa move on can't let this one hold you back. He didn't say the umpire jam me up the Empire Rip this one out of my hands because they enrich well. Dave Roberts said former I remember Dave went off because he saw without the little case trait machine that it was a strike right went off was yelling like I'm GonNa be a saints Fan. If it wasn't for that miscall being world series hey not go now we need to change the rules to accommodate number date for the replay played a game over you listening to the morning show here on ESPN seventeen so it was just to get out of that okay okay so look at transition and so the way that I look at it as as long as these nine games are left in. He's pitching in the last half of the nine and he's doing exceptionally well as we get ready to get into the playoffs. I'm okay. I'M NOT GONNA go into a major panic because you know he gave up a walk here home run their. I Q can't be can't throw out the last three games for this one bad tonight. I'm I'm absolutely not what I'm doing is. I'm watching the way that he's pitched all season long. Yes three of his last four have been good. Four of his last last eight have not been stuck and his entire season has been mediocre. That's really but you pound you you. You you compound and everything these last three or four would everything thing. You're counting on the last eight. Then you go into the middle of the season at the beginning of the season you gotta look at everything. Put everything in the past and the past and look at everything. That's moving forward forward. The last three out of four been pretty good the last four out of Eight. He hasn't depends on how the automatic cutoff point if that's the argument because I said so then I guess there's nothing to talk about. Here's the negotiation that's it. You're you're draw the line and say there's nothing to talk about. Leave right for the last eight Travis. Look at post Dave robbers since day proper says your dog dog. You need to get it together. He's been really really good so I like to start with. The Dave Roberts comment not the beginning season. Not You know the four of a but when day says you can't be walking dues homes of course he went out. I don't know if he added the homes part out story exactly exactly. I just felt like they really football. Scientists will join us at eight fifteen. He's coming here you just reading the renowned. I know I'm just two transitions in two minutes sir. Thank you got a question for all three of us. Kenley Jansen the closer you you fast forward to next season opening up in twenty twenty. That would be your closer. Let's say if he gets out of this thing unscathed. Isn't that what we say. Yes Dan yes he would he would be are closer. If all of a sudden he gets rocked and we lose the world series because of him would if you only save so half of his games coming going forward is here your closer half of his guy. I gotta say even in the playoffs starting quarterback period yeah half the gains period not only will we win no leagues. The winning has to factor into it can't be will be only half the games you'd winning the the no because because you could still still we can still have somebody go seven eleven and and bring in the Middle Guy and he could be close. It just depends if we win the world series. If he's a bomb and we win we win. World series will dealing if he's a bomb and we lose the world series will them if he's great and we win it will dilly. I mean well keeping those easier. Closer Twenty twenty and we have a new closer okay regardless Charlie. You can't do it that way again. Jansen will one hundred percent closer next year regardless of what happens going forward if they win the world series. It's a no brainer. It's a no brainer if if he gets bombed out it's a no brainer. They're paying him a ton of money. He's virtually untradeable at that price and you're gonNA see the here's what you will hear. This is exactly what you will hear if there if he pitches poorly in the playoffs Kenley spent the offseason losing weight. Kenley spent the off-season working on a new pitch. Kenley spent the offseason doing this this this this and this can of the all-seeing with a moving truck and were GonNa make sure that he's in the best possible position Asian to have success for the twenty twenty season the question was will he start the season as their closer and that's why he will and why because I said so and traveling. Yeah Travis finally comes clean on his pitching days with the Rancho raccoons. storytime is next on the morning show. You know what that music means that means. It's time for you to get ready for your fantasy football lineup for week three of the NFL season Casey joyner the football also joining us again Casey how you doing doing great. How are you chasing so. Let's start with this. Should I just play any wide receiver. That's a member of the Kansas City chiefs chiefs. Is that a good jumping off point. It is a good jumping off point. It seems like they can go to any of them could go vertical they any of them. Nicole hardman though out of the receivers he's probably probably three. We know that the snap percents last week so it looks like he's going to be the alternate target but even he would be somebody in certain leagues definitely put them in last week. I asked You Casey about the more being the top guy off to board Debbie Lamar Jackson a great quarterback of the Baltimore Ravens Future Hall of Famer. He's going up against Patrick Mahomes and that defense in Kansas City do why start him over some of the other quarterbacks in the NFL. I've got Lamar Jackson. I my quarterback Boorda fact I haven't just slightly ahead of mahomes because the homes have tougher schedule grow up playing the Baltimore Defense. I think Jacksonville homes are one to this week and everybody else is really behind for third row or should we just assume that anytime. Miami's playing a team we should pick the defense of that team. You should absolutely picked up the ten pack the Patriots last week scored thirty five points explain the dolphins and I think any team that faces them any defense special teams a face. Them should be expected to score ten points if they don't. It's a disappointment. Is there anybody on the dolphins roster. That is a good value or is it just if they're wearing a dolphin uniform. Stay away pretty much. Stay away. Preston Williams could be somebody in. NPR Appear League in the DP Pr League you might think of I'm talking like a fourteen or sixteen team league who you could think of but pretty much everybody else even they're running backs even even eh drake and they're just they're run. Blocking is so horrible and I just can't really put anybody in line up other than maybe Preston William all right. Casey joyner is here. He's helping you get ready for week week. Three of your fantasy football season eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN is your phone number. We're going to start in West Covina with Andrew Andrew. You're on the football scientist. Actually I had a question but lv took my question about defense but Miami now the Patriots this week are what the other team playing cowboy hatred cowboys the Patriots have their schedule has been it up so now it's been the most host incredibly favorable defense special teams coach you could possibly get and the rest of the season looks that good as well they have there might not be a team in the NFL close to have an affair fairway schedule. They have overall so I've got them ready to second on the board this weekend evening special teams you can make a case. I I'd definitely go with them right next. One Next Stop Los Angeles and Carlos Carlos Colonel Shown with Casey joyner. WHAT'S GOING ON MON gentlemen morning. I have a I have lots of open my rb two and flex and a half or running backs would you choose Carlos Hyde Frank Gore Philip Lindsay and Joe Mixon. I need to the NGO mix and it's tough on mixing because the bengals run blocking is terrible and they just lost another offensive lineman so I'm probably GonNa put him last on that List Gore. It's tough because it's a Singapore replays. I'd definitely go off the list and bring I rank them probably third or fourth on the list. I'm GonNa Lindsay Hyde first and second but a single Terry's out I would put Gore in front of hide. Let's go to the twitter verse to see what they've got. Raj what he got twitter verse I from Carlo Angelo asked this is Trey Casey for net in Ridley for Juju and Jacob Leaves The Standard League which I do on Juju and Shakeups for net out of a whole group. I'm I'm really high on. All four of those players even Juju because I think that Mason Rudolph is much better quarterback than people think he is. I think you should be rostered. In Two quarterback leaks 'cause I really like Ikea what his future can be in an offense but I love the sport for and that's the one I think is the worst offense and as the the lowest downside so I'd probably going to be in the Juju Jacobs out of that trade all right in one more in a standard league here. Odell Beckham going against the touch tough match-up against the rams obviously cornerbacks or Sammy Watkins in a bounceback game. This is from from then then Nathan they have to go. BJ IN CLEVELAND offense they don't have to walk walk into one of my leagues and you know you. Oh you like to see the targets. He led the team targets. I believe last week but he's he wasn't getting the vertical targets a he's more boom-or-bust Lovie J. even with the top match. They have to send out often through them so I'm GONNA BE J. Joyner getting ready for week. Three of your fantasy football season stop is riverside and Anthony Anthony. You're on with the football scientist. Take a Jacobs's banged up a little bit with Josh Jacob or do Johnson this week or two. I only via the only reason you could consider it A. PR and Jacobs is banged up but he also said that he doesn't WanNa be seen as a soft back. He wants to play through this injury and he's guys when getting I mean it. Gruden told us he's GONNA use a bow and he has he gets twenty plus touches unless there's a reason unless he is unless he doesn't play or is very limited in Friday's practice actress. I'm definitely going to take upset because I think he's still get that. that workflow volume do I take the rams defense against the Cleveland browns overall. Do I mess around and fool with the chiefs defense over the Ravens. I think that sheaves Ravens Games can be fairly high scoring because both because of quarterbacks and how explosive both offences are. I think the rams are in the situation Cleveland Cleveland audiences. I don't think it's anywhere near as good as everybody had hoped it would be and I don't think the Monday night game scoring twenty three point says that they've turned a corner so I'm going with the rams and that one atom wes his birthday. Obviously he's the goat and Batman or do you go Michael Keaton or George Clooney after that. I gotTa go Michael Keaton that where he needs where he takes off the the fireplace and screams the Nicholson's that that's an all time classic. I don't think clinic has that kind of a classic scene. There you go all right. Let's try to the phone call here North Hollywood and Chris Chris Casey Joyner. What's going on you guys warning on quick questions. Do I need your goal for them right. No more data site. I like the the Rams Office for a lot of reasons but the offensive line has been banged up and Goth is still a guy who is is when it comes to fantasy the offense can sometimes carry him where he can carry the offense Jackson I mean he got one hundred twenty rushing yards last week and he can hit the vertical passes and it's GonNa be a probably a shootout game if they don't score fifty points or more between those two teams even though Baltimore Steve. It's really good. I'd be shocked so Jackson's number one of my quarterback for this week. Let's keep it moving this go to L. A. And Alex Alex you are on the football scientists what's going on. Hey how's it going guys. I'm trying to choose a FLEX IN A P P R league. I have Mark Ingram Sony Michaud Emmanuel Sanders and Tyrone Arroyo Williams. Thanks guys functioning P. Pr With Ingram and I've got to go with as much as I like some of the other players and I think that Sunday I show could have a very good game. He could finally get rid of the kind of slump that he's been in out of those guys. I just had to say Gingrich because that game. If you're talking to shoot a game like they've got that could just be yeah game where he or he gets the ends on a couple of times. I'm going to upset on Twitter Casey. You may have seen this one is some Guy Roger not not mean arrived but in deep pr or league who would you flex Devon Smith. Someone keyshawn taught me about Josh Gordon or Marquees Goodwin. I liked Dan Smith A lot. I think he'll be a big player. I'm just concerned the cowboys how often they're gonNA throw vertical and they are they gonna get in a situation where maybe they're not. GonNa have have to throw quite as often lately Game Gordon. I know it's risky because AP's there I'm sorry Antonio Brown's there and I you know are they going to give them more and more than the nine targets. He's got in the last two games but when you've got that kind of a match up as favorable as it is. I've got to play for that upside so I'm GonNa Gordon Key when you look at the rams and we saw in week one where Malcolm Welcome Brown got into the end zone a couple of times. We saw Todd Gurley get win last week do you do you just not know who's going to be the guy that's actually getting those six points from week to week. I think that is going to be the case. I think they're almost to a point where they're playing a lead alternate setup where instead of going to the Bell Calvin back getting all the carriers. I think they're going to be going to lead alternate set up. girly still workload wise is getting nearly the work that he would normally get but it's just when you look at situations and things like the course of the season. I think it's how it's going to play out so I think we go on touchdowns are probably going to be split split between them and it just means girl he's got to be thought of. Moore's and rb two rb one another one here Orange County this time and boo Gar Boo bar. You're on with Casey joyner shout out to the hottest morning show in. La We start okay so cavs cavs my guy man but I had to let Camco Owen to do I go cuyler Murray or do I go Matt Stafford. Thank Fellas for Matt Stafford. I liked the way Stafford's played but Detroit is made it clear that they want to be a run first offense. That's exactly what they WANNA be. They do not want to be a passing up purpose any more than they have to be so I I did matchup against Carolina's probably tougher than it than it would seem normally at the beginning of the season but I'm still probably going to go murray over Stafford just because I think Morris gets rushing yards at Stafford won't get. Let's get these last couple in another one in Orange County at von Von. You're on with the football scientists. What's going on good morning guys how you guys doing. I WANNA call that was the you have still the most impeccable bowling form I've ever seen in my life you Sir Matt Manhole Flip Flops on. That's who I got two questions. I got I one. Pr should I start the forty niners defense or the rams. MD Benson and then the second one is Standard League where I have four flex decay became make house or your arm starting to no no no Galore Nelson Aguilar or I ain't got time to the first question forty nine dollars or the rams That's going to be a call where I'm probably going to go with the forty niners in that one because Pittsburgh's offense. I think basically what I was going to be very good quarterback by the way the forty niners will play on right now and the whole setup. They've got up there and the way their defense played exceptionally well in Pittsburgh. Go Cross country. I Got San Francisco Egg. DSP board go with them got jared Goff. No wait hold on Jim Plunkett. No wait listen. Tony Eastern old school last one Orange County all over again Anaheim and and been been your your football scientists a Kansas thank him. I thought I would just head league. I have Minnesota's defense versus versus the forty niners which take back for four dollars defense has putting up more big plays out like Minnesota versus. Okla Oakland does do a good job protecting the ball on my an Oakland. We'll want to lean on Jacobs was in San Francisco. I think they're going to be situation where they're going to offense is going to be able to put Pittsburgh round. The on and Mason Rudolph is going to have to throw the Mason. It's a big player too but San Francisco GonNa get after the quarterback and I think they're going to get some pick some San Francisco for the upside. He joins every Thursday. Gets you ready for football lineup. His name name is Casey joyner. You can find him on twitter at Casey Joyner T. F. S. Casey. We'll see you next week morning. Show Much Berg Brainer. This is what I'm talking about twenty five years ago one thousand nine hundred four. Er premiered on NBC Their Power House Thursday lineup in in their first season it shot to number two in television just behind Seinfeld averaging one thousand nine hundred million viewers anything get nineteen super bowl does anything at all no yeah that's crazy never seen one episode and then in their second season was number one and television with twenty one million their third season season nineteen ninety-six average thirty million viewers. Scott Grimes. Oh wasn't that George Clooney. George Clooney premiered Angela Beset Angela Bassett. They had adam newly as well on China no Yar and he's a little bit behind the wheel wagon there. That's that's okay so you feel your same thing very. There was an hour long drama about a very sitcom about nothing right. Show show about nothing. I guess only I guess it would be the football would be the only super bowl probably be the only thing I can think of right yeah so for sure now. Now I mean there's a sporting event is the only thing that draws numbers like that. Maybe like a presidential debates been a couple of what was the the not debates the reality shows pinky singing and dancing American idol American idol not thirty million people know now when I start kicking off I think they wouldn't I when I was like that was it your ran for like twenty years to and ran for ever too yeah yeah. It was a little long in the tooth but it's like. Are you sick again when you got twenty million people watching it. Why would you turn it off. It's the same same hospital room when the same born he's only but you know taught in a shot at all in one space hospital dramas the cop dramas we just love those story and lawyers to we boot the same story over and over and over again because we just. I don't know addicted. I guess like to watch people. Get sick without getting sick. Timothy about the die we. I don't know what's going to happen even though that they've seen their next week so you guys remember the story that we were talking about last year. I was here so it's been within the last year that we talked about this us the referee in New Jersey who told a high school wrestler who had dreadlocks that he needed to cover his hair. You need to put either cut it off or covered cover it with a wrestling camp or he was going to disqualify him. That referee Alan moloney suspended for two years took a year to get there but they finally got him or they got got a union. You GotTa get school. Referees University Jersey Union apprentice cut my hair though well I wouldn't it. Did it go. I'm not competing. I'm out of total. Go Pound San sure kick rocks. Do Get out of here. He shouldn't have hit parents kitchen. It's done on the same thing and they shouldn't have. The coach said coach should have done the same thing. Maybe not only is he not wrestling. None of us are wrestling. We're leaving right yeah but suspension. Two years just fired him. They just fired him not that. It's a full time job but still like you're not allowed to come back. I don't understand and why it took so long to come to the decision and I don't understand why the decision is in a permanent one L Z. You're not allow back on the show until you cut your hair. The racial discrimination in the enforcement of the rules of any sport is inconsistent with the spirit of fair-play that according to the New Jersey the H. G. Goo beer grow wall so yeah that why did it take them two years to come to the conclusion that it's not cool why you had to go all the way up to the. Ag Got Too Damn Yeah. I mean it was obvious like like the wrong thing to do. It was obviously the kid wasn't supported supportive but it shouldn't need. It's up to the pipe all the way up to the Attorney General of your state and what you can do to there would be a moment where if the coach coach and the rest of this young man's teammates in if you're not letting him russell none of us are wrestling there would be momentum there. Were maybe some other teams could have kids fine. Let them wrestle. We're not GONNA Russell is goes back. What was the what was the premise of of making him cut his hair. Matt was GONNA get Greasy. Go Way the way that they were trying to defend the decision was that it was a uniform violation. You're not allowed to have any hair. Expose from underneath your wrestling cap. It's a uniform violation therefore he's in violation he's not allowed to rest so soon and putting on they couldn't find a cabinet would cover all the hair the natural the hair show not extend below. Ill Loeb level in the front here. Snuck stand below the eyebrows. The term natural state was used natural allstate yeah but these referees man they get too much power like the one girl up in Alaska with swimming. She got disqualified in like a state meet or something because they say she had too much but actually she was swimming and she got for lack of a better term she got a Wedgie while she was swimming and swimsuit wedged in and they disqualified disqualified qualified or for for natural natural cotton behavior. It's I understand that they're in a tricky position. Asian tricky position man tell people to fix. It and let's keep moving now. This is simple. The rules are in place for for a reason. I get get all that but the young lady swimming okay. She Ain't deliberately walking around with Thong Donka Dunk rule bruce four to five. Is that how it's written. vowels should not have deducted dunk while swimming pool because everybody wants to be with the cool kids. We let Travis S. join in for a few minutes next on the morning show so this is the rule. They invoked Elsie Yeah. This is the one that started playing claim when she got out the pool. We're we get. We get along to turn it up. Honky Dong Tom Good dump it down. Every time you shake your head key. He'd just got back for country. I understand I know what it yes. I know you know what every day you tell us one thousand nine hundred seventy one thousand nine hundred xers we all like what we se tomorrow night at Calcium against Utah USC. I should say Utah is the top ranked team the PAC twelve at least right now. They're the highest ranking tenth in the country. They're the class of the southern part of it. You GotTa Oregon and Washington in the northern half. Let's just for argument's sake say that this thing goes a certain way and now as C. is to into the momentum started because we've been talking about it before. We've been talking about since the end of last season. we've been talking about it. Through the off season through the early part of the season of course Fox's televising that game urban Meyer is going to be sitting right there and whether or not he's the next guy for this job. The Elza what you were talking about chambres president is not going to go there because she doesn't want to put herself in a position to ultimately ultimately have to wear the hiring urban Meyer and have it be on her ticket. She's not GonNa do it. That's getting traction. That's popping up more and more places that she doesn't want to do it so it comes down to who wins a standoff. If the guys in the football department the money guys are saying Urban Meyer and the university president is saying nope anybody else. How does that play out Yeah Key Yeah Keyword. How does that play out reminders can be the next coach of University of Southern California. If the job Kerrigan toge stand with Carol talking about but Carol Messing around and should be morehouse university being the president in folks around on Figura. Don't WanNa hear that lets people in Orange County and then people in Manhattan Beach Pants With Cardinal Pants yeah they wanna WanNa win in urban Meyer for whatever reason it goes south in urban. Meyer really wants to USC job. He's GonNa get the job. That's just simply. `understand. Carol doesn't want the dirt on her hands that comes with urban. Meyer when he exits the college goals and takes a job somewhere else seven years from now now. I understand all of that but they're they're not thinking about that. No one is think about that. All they think about is Bowling Green Utah Florida Ohio State. That's all they care about yeah. You might be a scumbag to most people like Mitt look kid but he's got a resume. There's the resume okay whatever else resume championships in it and I think and I think when you look at it. He turns his head to a lot of things shenanigans that go on within a program but you can't argue with his graduation rate. You can't argue with his winning can't argue with his championship. You can't argue with certain things you could argue with. He turned his head. When do was beaten up his wife. You could argue with that which is a problem. That is a major problem. You could argue with the the fact that he may have had some very violent young men on his Florida team that eventually turned serial killers. You can argue with that but it makes Mr Dean Urban Meyer noted he was a serial killer no but he noted he was a bad guy. He knows that he did some immature. Shooting in the eyeball all is not immaturity up but my question is my question would be to that diddy nowy shoddy but did they cover it up. Apple forgot to argument. That's all I'm asking you. Did he not shop to do when he was playing on the team at Doral habits your arm of the car. They were right next to each other. Yeah I think he knew we shot him. Urban urban urban no as the coach that my player shot a dude in his face it. It seemed like everybody in Gainesville had a pretty good idea who shot that guy but he's head coach two or three years after he shot to do what Caroline my whole. Mon- my thing is did herbin not because if he nude it to do shot him in the face then I'm GonNa have to cy I would care is all. I'm saying if he didn't know in in a he learned later then I must say okay. It's one of those things if if you didn't know US specifically designed an operation not to know coke I know I've never run into a coach and I've been around a bunch oval that would deliberately Heidi shooting now deliberately hiding stealing deliberately ever leave may have they may hide some domestic violence issues fights things they go hide. Bush shooting of the face. That is not something that you would high right so you wouldn't think maybe we thought Oh it's just a shoulder or flesh wound shot a minute show but you just don't as a coach you don't high tech not the harder part. Here's the problem album the die if Dr Carol Fault and you have to decipher whether or not the key coach you want to hire new. Someone shot someone in the face that I just can't be your dude. It's just campy she when she got to her diligence but she cannot be the female president the hires the guy who cover domestic violence female president black female president she can't be the one who hires the coach new dimension going to be the one at harding. She has to sign up. No no the athletic director that they hire is the one that's GONNA listen. He's going to hire him. She's just the president of the university has at the end of the day what they're going to tell her. Is You stick to academics because what you thought about the do have US continue to run around here over the next six or seven years and say go get that Bob Stoops Fella. You can win just but we don't know what that is yet. We don't we got us but he he tapped out here. Real fast because it was a it was a freshman his time and he was afraid of these stuck around and make it more serious Dr Carol whole or fault excuse gives me it's GonNa WanNa make sure that she does not listen to gladiator the Aaron Hernandez Aaron Hernandez podcast because Urban Meyer what was going on down there okay. He knew what was going on down there that that's a podcast. Hey do that okay so she profiled at the route three or four o'clock too much time on her but you in honesty honestly though Travis you'd know how college football world is man. They go hire whoever they thinking can win games there. You guys just the bottom line that. Dan Did Rick Rick Rick Pitino because Bobby Poor Trina Rick Pitino. They all in scandals is ado driving on the back of my Mo- Pat with with a girl in the back of his motorcycle that he hires a zero you know then. He hired his name as his is a system. That athletic department is slit her more money than other people was making Komo and he's still got a job. That's a scandal you know with all. This scandal talks me thinking of keyshawn. Yeah speaking of college. I was looking at the a a people there. Can you guys namie teams in the top ten currently in the top ten of the eight people in College Football Sheriff Walt Keyshawn go ahead Clemson. Oh that's good number one hundred points for you. That's right Alabama Alabama is. I didn't say it was your turn but yes. They are number two on the poll. They've got three votes comes down to sixty the rest of these teams. Don't have any number one votes but the top tango hit Dr. Lsu Lsu was number four at three. That's a dancer Keyshawn Georgia Georgia's number three three. That's correct. They are also there. It's getting rough from the top four carried one. Don't this notice no team their team. Notre Dame Notre Dame is going up there. Number seventy three took here answer but go ahead. We'll have steak. That's another good answer number six. That's right there in the top ten so we've got one. Two three four teams left in the top ten kion. Give me one the team of North Michigan. That's a smart book remember. The army almost beat them yeah. That's what they said. No Army almost got him. They put on leadship so yeah. I don't know team. No go ahead. Go ahead. Oh the No no Wisconsin Wisconsin's a why. Are you always take the advice someone out. I told them with advice. TURN TURN HIS MIC off. Turn keys might go. Hey vicious not that school okay. Not that's GONNA start. The clock on this young man condemn him. Oh that's a great Texas. No Florida traveling the bill. TAKE ON UTAH USA team. They're number ten. That's correct. you guys got. Oklahoma's number five Auburn number eight farmers in Florida Florida Florida's not being the Florida's was dogfights. I can't believe I cannot believe that. Michigan's slit see Michigan Michigan like Notre Dame. No that's why I just assumed army but it doesn't matter. Notre Dame could be a dogfight against purdue and win and they'll be top two or me. She's driven by keys. Automotive Group Visit Keys Cars Dot Com keyshawn finally grasped his his fear of the Cobra snake. Let's find out next on the morning show.

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Episode 18 We are talking about, educators developing future entrepreneurs!!!

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At we we we normally do This is a phenomenal just so excited with these guys and ladies. decided to join or tempted invitation to join it before we get into all of that look around and kind. Say those Intel. You're filling and all that. Good. Let's since Eggers like white downright look with Edgar. What's up? Everybody. So much for having me for those of you. That don't know me my name is Edgar. Palacios. I run organization called the Lat next education collaborative? We work on increasing the representation of lat next issue Professionals Kate spoke. So we are about representation about recruitment robot, retention, indefinitely Lebanon. Levine on our educates you understand how powerful they are and how important that there were students. US how I was feeling. Tired. I was grumpy earlier today but you know I'm less appropriate right now though because I'm in the company of good people and so I'm I'm grateful to be here. Thanks for lifted spirits. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you for coming. Thank you for accepting. Chanel. Hey, everybody chanels made am in educator the associate principal at the African Centre preface out these high school in Kansas City public schools and I'm also the founder of agency walking billboard which as of Monday is officially a five. Oh One, C. Three, thirty, five, nonprofit organization tone. In you I'm feeling nine till. Edgar. But you know entrepreneurship education we keep pushing it's. AWESOME AWESOME ASTA container. How are you? I am good. I am with evening evening evening every. Around the kids won't add. Up. Drink smelting which in. Choir, we specialize in education business in legal consulting services so. Certainly, humbled, appreciative to be a part of this most esteemed panel. Saw I. Thank you guys for inviting me on. I might bully job just a little bit. Right. Now, like. I'm trying to figure out the I am not a part of this I have. We, we will take I will we will take the blame for that. So you we know that you are. One of the most forward on. Social Premieres at in the game right now and that is on us. So we apologize just glad that you accepted the invitation. Absolutely thank you so much. Morgan Morgan filtered. I I'm listening prior his was a constant state. But at the same time a thriving. Finding ways. Get people from the wilds villa annoying tapping in now in that's a beautiful. H. Like. They're living different light I I'm here for that part of it. Everybody, Morgan from the public libraries in small business servicing all about economic empowerment and can make jokes. Leaving of information more acceptable. Though no Shirai Pink what's going on Ron Thompson? Other CO founder of the porterhouse KC. Does here I'm glad to be a part of this the brain some elite folks. About Education. HVAC use in man. We about to we about to have fun tonight. To learn, knock out some gills, some gyms, what's going on and we about to give out some shoutouts presume and It's GONNA be. Absolutely absolutely Dan Smith. like. Say the other side of Puerto House KC. We started the organization about four years ago. Help Bridge Gaps in entrepreneurship and we started this show along with Morgan because we wanted to make sure that we're staying or. Be are having the discussions the need to be had. And connecting people way conversations that they need to be part of so. Weird. Sided that everybody every week man we like Morgan normally says, but I'll say this time we I'm surprised that so many people accept these invitations because I know that it could be any in the world. And but they decided to be with US tonight s including the people as tune in. So, we appreciate all of you guys. So. Yeah, and I started to but I got a big Cup of coffee here that they'll be out. So I'm good. Lug coffee like. What in the world that's the Best I you know what? 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Well, hello everybody you for having me on today and allow me to come in who my name was told the Taylor I am date, Kansas, city, an entrepreneur wipe mother, and a community builder that Copa Silicates Royal Quays Network with my Libero Son mad at tanner also known as worry blue for those. You don't know Royal Houston Network is a nonprofit organization that addresses the achievement gap emerging needs of young people who live in. Kiss City urban core through collective work in great tits develop a m new for you to visualize mobilized tools talk through various programs that we offer, which are entrepreneurship literacy gardening cooking in home schooling education. Go Dog, and are you representing your organization is at the t shirts you have on right now is that is that Roy out cohesive network? Yeah. It is now I think a memo did go. Saying. I. Know. No. I think. The other members that didn't go out was the fact that you just celebrated. In so I would be. Biden's acknowledge the fact that you are now what twenty, twenty, six, twenty, seven. Opening whichever one you want to choose and To. Happy Birthday Happy Birthday. Birthday. Over. The Twentieth Thin Kantor. Water sounds thank you. Run. Appreciate you. Hey, quick. So for audit everybody that's right now if you would like, we can see some you guys tuned Dan but we don't know waller's watching. So if you would or common out there thumbs up to a high five. Hand raise whatever that is or surprised whatever you WANNA do or Emoji go shot shot charges are throwing love wherever you want to. See the. We see Kiana, actually says, she wants to tap in with Chanel. So were her show so. That email addresses, their chanel, you can email Kiana if you can use peters there. Look Mack. Matt. Z. Tapping in to say happy birthday. So that's dope. Get into our shoutouts I'M GONNA go first this time and normally I try. See Linda scorgeous type in. Hey. I want to say one thing really quick before I get in shutouts. Kristen may is is is one I WANNA shout Christie. Now she is. So so I know I know Kirsten from back in high school Kristen was I is was an is one of the best. Bowlers the come out of the city of Kansas City out only high. So I know a lot of the couple people liking high school so she usually. Best friend. Chat out. So out, I'm GonNa go first because Sarah Nawaz normally takes off. So I wonder how I want to sit on my wife. Just for being a wife and doing her thing, you know what I mean so. abuel. Rashid I want to stop him out. He's actually doing some internships. There's organizations or look up a duo rashy on his on his facebook page. Check out what he's doing Eugene James There's a long. He just posted a or yesterday maybe a lawn care example through all by hotel side lady that was doing short story. that. was term her her hedges or something like that outside the whole tale who she was looks like somehow he has he has a lawn care business. He decided the guy on his heart to to just stop and try to help her out because it was hot outside these are struggling. So he got out and start helping her and he no this was the regional director of. E Comfort Suites, sweets that were that he actually helped out. So they actually gave them a contract multiple hotels based for him, getting out his car and doing some free works her just kind of. The is shot in your mouth and that story than. Because it is legit when you just have to put yourself out there. And when you do sometimes. Tenfold so that happened joy kikes they had a great barbershop conversation, the other night. So check them out square one business services jets for being what you are. You guys go squad is dog mortgage note Chris Evans t King Kings, baseball they want another argument. Yea. I was here down her watch baseball was. They do get away but it was around and they wind Kauffman Foundation for doing what they do Chess Inc for doing what they do in our relationship and our party data, and then also shot out to the porterhouse. Casey. Curricula. Class are Kober that early session they rock and roll so that's my shoutouts. You Donald stood almost whistle mine. Good. I still got good. I'm a I'm a go ahead and go here. I like to give a shout out to my wife Lauren Thompson with This place was pretty dealt. Chris Good Hurston fails. TJ Bam key. He did a song that was on our intro cabinet. we'll see Canada easy been with eight one, six day that's coming up. Tyrone Gathers Deanna. the libraries, riders, teachers. I like to shout out to earl. Watson Accuser. And that's my shouts for this week. Though I'm Marla with doing some big things gentlemen Still Second. Round Saint Louis Represent Who who, who's ex Morgan and you're GONNA go next. I mean you're next right here. So I mean you might as well. I found A. Ahead majority. So it's called PC boss Babes and usually when. Brings me a business group got like a Bright Pink? Kissy. Face on it or a high heel in the in the logo I'm like. This offends my feminist sentiments. I. Wouldn't not to joy. But this one I was like well, that's kind of a cool name I'll check it out in internet. Gave me the referral to she was like I think this is what you're looking for in all be damned it is what I'm looking for. They are having fantastic conversations on they are in a just like a like nobody's watching of way because sometimes you use big words because you think somebody's watching you they're just like, no, this is what I'm seeing right now. Do you yet? You have something for me it's all over the place and I love it. So there is really good stuff to be had out there right now on basically you just have to like. Your Dad First. So you can see what's that. You know it's Out this week. There you go. You got any shout outs. E alright. So it's my turn I'm GONNA by Shout Now team Smith family after that I would be remiss defied inside what's up to my whole, southeast family. Shoutout tonight there. Beautiful when. I WANNA shout Suneeta. Washington being she's a photographer with to image photography. She isn't entrepreneur who is really out. You're doing great work and offering services to people a really affordable rates I also WanNa give a shoutout to Stephen Smith and Rodney Smith with Suffolk Suffolk Solutions. They are to really big advocates for edge BBC's Rodney used actually work at fist helped with my initial journey Bayer WANNA give a shout out to my homeboy Arthur Clayton, who recently launched his Christian apparel line after God's heart. Like him on facebook follow him on instagram. His apparel is doubt he sends out daily And blog updates really encouraged stuff. I share pretty often and he's off to a great start. So anybody that can support on please do because he's pretty dope in the finally I have to shout out King Life the King Organization Chris Evans in the whole squad auto coaches. One of the things that I wanNA really point out about the Kings Organization is there is a competitive baseball league and the the the fees are super affordable. By comparison to the other leagues around the city. But the biggest thing is that those cultures Dewey volunteer. So they all worked fulltime they come after work before work sometimes door work. 'cause tournaments have been starting Friday mornings for whatever reason shoutouts at a tournament organizers look beyond that. I just I wanNA make it really playing you like these young meal walk on baseball dominance and often times they are the only people of color there. So they play through. Through sometimes things that they shouldn't have to see weakness at such a young age but on the flip side to that for the until be such powerful and positive representation every time we stepped onto the dominant proud of those boy. So I gotTA gotTa game that one up. So don't so don't. Egg So. Really. Before Egger goes that gives us outs. I just want to remind everybody if you don't create a watch party if you if you're watching it, you wanNA share just share it regularly. So we can actually see comments and and all that good stuff that come. because if you do it a separate watch party were not able to see those comments. We're not ignoring you if you had any comments questioning. We just can't see him. So if you're on are the the Puerto Hawk as you may facebook page, you'll be we'll be able to see everything that comes through and I just wanted to say that really quick Agra which she got. I mean there's a lot of people shot out first and foremost I have to shut out more Palacios I, am her husband. And so I celebrate that shadow I see a lot of people on the comments that I absolutely love and keep near my heart. So I see society set last who is our community? Opposite the I see the Warner Bros who? Work with on the Arts Foundation I see Lori Peters. I see who else is out there. At Kiana, of course, adults who those folks ethics joining us shadow to Katina shoutout to Cornell LS shout to. Trinity. Davis shutouts silly a patent shadow to the coalition crew shutout to the folks doing the work Hurston. Absolutely I Echo Nash that out there's a lot of other people I love Oh you know what out to rainy Lopez for becoming the first Latino School board president at Kansas City Kansas public schools than. A You know a lot of our community is elevating themselves. So I'm thinking about billion appendice or Sino who just got promoted I'm thinking about Jackie. Rodriguez also just got promoted There's a lot of. Lot of good energy there but. Only. Last. But definitely, not least shout out to our educators because they are going through some incredibly interesting, somewhat difficult times and a lot of them are handling. The best they can do phenomenal job with that. So sending my love and my energy to Oliver Educators do in the work. Today. Though. s shot out to the husband and wives of those educators to because they get the now just just talking trash. deafeningly see. All right. So I'm going to turn to take a little tired and a little bit first and foremost, of course, I knowledge the Taylor crew. In my husband wherever you are in the universe as you come to me, he says Ya doin spouses Yes. For. the harbour clan that is my son and his children So I have three grands ashore Umbrian do the migraine. Diva. But I want to also shout outs One of my ancestors someone that just became one of my ancestors roles, James here in Kansas, city for those that no impact her legacy is great and I would be remiss on today if I did not acknowledge all the wisdom on all of the correction an she gave too many of us at this city. When we got out of a line, she was quick easy to pull his at of course, good trouble good trouble John Lewis, and we just lost as well in the end somebody two, thousand name at no, but her name was serie. Is A streaky was in Kansas City for many many years for as long as I can remember she in a Matt a big, but an impactful radio show in she from. Time to repatriate into Ghana and we. Also had she is also gained her Wayne's in transition as well. So those are my shoutouts though are the elders. Now, our ancestors are angels that will continue to be with US heart mind soul spirit they will live on through all of the work that we do. So I wanted to acknowledge the ourselves on my Shannon's for the day. I love it. I love it I. Love It, and then I'll be about to go to tow. Looks like maybe our conviction had. So if she moves back on, we will we will go back to Toba because I'm I want to. Hear she said she she noted to she's experienced them some some some stuff. So hopefully, she she pops getting really quick one acknowledged some of the folks like Edgar alluded to comments trees is in there and Jones Daniel Holiday Erica Freeman the IOS what up what up? Well, his Ain't here Matt obviously we we sat out. The wife Aisha, she put a one of those big I. When I said husbands and wives are educators so I know. You know I it Hurston is in in the in the the. I say the bill. You know like we're in the building but not really I mean you are in a building of some else. Say. that. Somewhere. Somewhere. Oh. I said if told me back in we will. You will. At her. Her shot out because I wanted to get those as well But before we go to the main the meat and potatoes of this conversation, we kind of introduced this thing called flowers. Last week because We are allowed you're working in different capacity. Really. Pushing the needle and make things happen. But I don't know how often we are able to just kind of set and give flowers Ryan give appreciation to the folks that are out here really doing. Some hard work and the folks that are actually doing the work to sit there and gave the flowers right because we're so focused on working so hard Oh, before we get into the meeting and potatoes of this and I'm not so I'm GonNa give it to you. But Morgan Iran feel free to definitely chime in if you want to book at Tina Edgar and Chanel I me, I just want to let you guys know that not only I. Appreciate the work that you guys are doing but the community appreciates the work that you guys are doing You are the reason why things are changing in our communities right? You are the reason i. Smell the reason why folks are. Looking at HCC. Wouldn't look. At H. B. C. you or even with a h ABC news is right because of the work that you're doing. It's exposing what HBO are and what they do. My wife she she has a ton of cooking here. She got us. We see you t shirts or graduate of Hugh and a really proud of, and we're GonNa talk about a little later but I definitely want to. Give those hours and give you that shot Edgar the things that you're in Asian community and and not necessarily I for kids but for the teachers and educators that are out there. Like. That goes so far like though like my wife we had these conversations of Inaki Bama wife because he's an educator, right but I have conversations about. My wife Actually GonNa principle and like her going beyond just the classroom right in the classroom and so like what you're doing to support educators just goes beyond supporting eighteen kids in a classroom are nineteen kids classroom. It actually supports schools right like literally schools kids and and the time is now. Eight like. Can't wait to. To to get quality education for kids right and what you're doing is pushing a needle and push. To ensure that those things are happening now. So we appreciate you like Athena. And I know that you're working neighborhood, you work in like so many areas. Make changes like it's like ridiculous right but you're you're mean chain like we will soon. We went to the national measly African American museum down in DC right we went airlines and we got around in we got to see this. Peace Cookman right Mary. And I didn't know things that she has done. She started a hospital. Because the kids at her school weren't getting the proper healthcare that they needed I look at you. The same way you're if you see a problem, you are making wave and change those areas that you see problems just like I said I wanna be you guys flowers for do what you do and can stay forward. So we appreciate you mood you can keep rock in anything we can do to help support that just obviously just let us know. So that's my flowers. So they made. Me Like. I just WanNa say all of that, right what he just said it. Right But yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you seen an Tova when nursing I'm back. was. Yeah When I first learned about. I learned actually from different world I didn't know about. In different world is up old showed, look it up, youtube it if you don't know about it, but that's how I found out about. HEC US and then Like now, I wish that would be something to represent h receivers as far as shows those some some way somehow. into it will be super dope. But that's my spiel but. I'm GonNa go hit the Tova do her stat outs keene. So Tova we were. We were just about to get to you on shout outs and then you disappeared on us. Want to. Make sure we get time to show some folks I. Know You. You see a lot of. Really good things in the community. So you got a few shoutouts outward. I'm. Short. Simple. I'm Shatt out my family for home royalties network down and always being a motivator in behind you know everything that we do and then also. I WanNa, Shout Out Jones INC team has been putting in work for the past month. Straight. She always. Does a lot but she's just really been. Amazing. Work. Urge Rolling. In person and saw shutouts a Joe. Team Makina Peterson. Though. I'm flowers to you kinda choppy. So I'm not sure if you hear us our hear me well, but you are changing the narrative of what entrepreneurship and independent minds really mean and really are in our community, and so I want to give you some flowers too because you're gonNA phenomenal job out in this community and I know you don't really need it. You don't really want it as much but I'm just telling you anyway that you are doing a phenomenal job and keep up the good work and whatever we could do support. You guys. It definitely start with the Youth Tova is definitely inspiration that start entrepreneurship with youth at an early age is very, very, very important. So my my publicist said that we need to start getting to the questions she she come and. AK- why she said I'm doing. Too, far too long but. I JUST WANNA shout out I'm just letting you know and then you got a really cool shot out there say somebody said I'm truly thankful on aggregrate. Sure that Michelle Smith was. To me and my classmates I wouldn't have known anything about into. Our I have attended. Langston. University without your help giving you flowers too. So it's pretty dough. I'm in there real quick. So I seen it added denial nicknamed chafee on a mile first babies at imagine, renaissance? Academy and he's actually running for What is it called seventh ward? Home. Yes. He's actually political Kennedy and my name is Gina Smith and I endorse Kennedy. A. Yes Oh This is a non political platform to let united wanted. You know. You know so. So mortgage which I think you've got some questions for is right. Yeah sorry. I got really caught up in that first second. Let me get my. My question there. What were you all working on? Friday covid nineteen and how did you hit it? When covid nineteen we're GonNa ask you later like where you're at now but but for this first question. What were you in the middle of and then how did you pivot it yourself when it hit? I started. I was actually can't I do consulting work. Out in the process of wrapping up or getting toward the end of a contract with one of our local charter schools. They got a team of teachers never, very, very, very early in their careers and. All of them were on the same team. So as you can imagine in Asthma Smith will be able to tell you the ministration. These offense is are so caught up with other task that they really can't provide coaching and support it systems. Those early career teachers need saw is contracting I was in the process of coaching those teachers, employees building their confidence and giving them the tools and resources and things like that. So the biggest this, the best they could. So of course, hits spring break happened. So I actually took on the students were a particular teacher in. Then I started crafting content to support parents who now found themselves educating their children at home. So three days a week, every Monday Wednesday Friday, I was quite cranking out content. Because I saw it, I knew if our appearance meet thrust into that position, what I would need in support. So that's how I was able to pivot and continue on. That's I love that. I love that. Edgar Witchy Bank. So what I was working pretty covid nineteen I'm so working on after the fact and I think one thing that I've been really concentrated on Israeli continue to build community within our network of lat next educators in our network of education professionals and so one thing that actually really enjoyed about cove nineteen is at the zone link or I'll ever you choose to connect virtually allows you to create space. Chris I. Love You. So appreciate that comment exit mcbean you're joining us. So for us, it's it's really about how do we hold space for each other virtually while we can't be in person how do we saw elevate the representation of lat next folks in these conversations and so we pivoted we went virtual We livestream we like started experimenting with all these things. And it's been incredibly offense be able to connect with folks and to share our mission the work that we're doing and find new supporters find you folks who are in need of community and be able to provide that in a very different way I think for us it's also holding space for teachers at this is a again, a really complicated and difficult topic for a lot of folks and so. People need a place to go and talk about these things and. Protect community where the judgment is not necessarily going to be there but also just the support from my perspective, you find that a lot of linex teachers. are isolated within their own buildings are isolated within their own districts may be the only ones. In the community that they are, and so I to be able to bring those folks together to commiserate to share resources to to share knowledge in an into be in community is so important. So we're continue to figure that out and we're able to underway. That's just part of A. I will say this I don't think our company team would have obviously been heavily into the ritual space but that was a new opportunity in it's been surprisingly find an productive. Okay House. Awesome. Now what you think? Before Kobe I was actually just you know administrating or whatever just being a principal basically. Thank today up. One of the big things that we were working on it, we're in the process of revitalizing the African. Program at the upper school inside, we were working on a one day retreat for our scholars and we have some really neat things shoutouts Yamina Muhammad Mommy things were going really well, we partner with some community resources are ticked was going to help us out. And the pivot there was once covy he. Honestly the first thing I did it because we got day prior to spring break off a recipe I was tired in when you're tired and you're trying to fill all the spacey's like I was I was principles lashed Mama and all the other things they at work and the wife a real mama here at home and is still trying to have my footprint in the community to do the part that I feel like the most high put me here for I was deplete is actually rested. I hate my was to see down somewhere and I did that and I think that because I did that I was able to hear just a little more clearly not automatically because honestly steel long but I was able to hear just a little more clearly what my next steps were is all within this time that I've been able to establish the nonprofit. For for Ebi Walking Award to create the. Website and to really really pay with direction husband to not give up on our off there we do every year, but to actually welcome that into the virtual space as well. So. It is being a gift a burden at the same time of lesson burden. So let's know. About other you guys, answers to that question. One. Katina. found. A another opportunity to dive in more to help in a different manner edgar stay forward. In in in the things that he was doing and Chanelle said Hey. It gives me time to back think rest and get prepared for the next step or the it's fe. But dopamine like we saw a lot of comments earlier on where folks are saying like you know this is the time if you're not doing things now, if you're not jumping in right now you're you're you're doing yourself a disservice and all this other stuff there were multiple ways to figure this thing out. You know what I mean there was there were multiple ways to get through this and not everybody does it the same way and so you guys show is an example of how different professionals in different situations handle. This. Initial. Surge in then how you know going forward, you guys are figuring it out. I. Mean I just thought that was really don't representation of that. More. I I come at it from a slightly different perspective because I think that what I'm seeing in the small business community right now, it with people not applying for the grants that are available and people choosing not not to reach out for help when they needed to pivot their with their businesses I I love that all three of handled it in a different way but I think the key point here is that Chanel rusted and then acted. She's she's she didn't just keep resting. She. was like okay. All right. Now, I'm recharged than, I'm ready to go again and I'm ready to make a plan and act on it and I I I worry about. US, sometimes because Right. Now we're in this crisis and people have crisis brain but there comes a point in time where you have to you have to get hold of that crisis break. And you gotta take it and gotTa look for opportunity and you've got to ask for help if you need it. But when powerful other people right now leaving money on the table. That have not. Shifted. Out of that, like I feel like we just need we the library needs to give Katina absolutely all the money that we have and just be like, could you just talk to the people about how to? How to take care of themselves so that they can be cared their business or ground profit or whatever it is because Manasseh time to. It is. Definitely. Yeah I wanted to go to love money. Rita. You. Oh. Mortgages mortgage. Right. Like I know that there was a model of You Know Evan flow conversation around shoot shouldn't you? If this is how anybody anything. It should be that we had to position ourselves. For such as this. And we weren't getting that information that messaging the resources to be capacity sell the. If in fact, something like this to occur, we could take advantage I don't think that people are are intentionally leaving money on the table but when they haven't had access to the resources and the information, they need to build their capacity in their businesses imposition themselves than this is what happens in so It's unfortunate. But now they have what I consider time and space and opportunity through swear one through a Katina. Chess through poorhouse no. Kiana sinks new. Newish else man whom ever is out there in your industry you better go to the on telling you calls mcdonagh. Asked it something something quick so that you if something like this happens, are we continue on long term? You are not left wondering what happened. In and trying to figure out how you going to eat in beyond purpose in make revenue like you gotta do it. I love that. We Sharana we we have a problem asking. A lot of. Up to. Brockton yeah. As though, but we do we give you. We farmers hours. Then we give you of House, we does what ask? You were you pivoted immediately as porterhouse in immediately started providing information and resources to those they wanted to have those. P. Funds and all of the funding that was becoming available in talking about you know if you couldn't, what else could you do or what I'll turn it is in the creative ways to stay afloat during this Tansy me. So you know just like you give flowers shoutouts we should be doing that to you out as well because your asset to our community in even if. You don't see Neha Lot understand I'm watching I'm observing 'cause I'm really always like who's really about the business of the people in the city in so I, can't say porterhouse I can't say via continent public library. Square wanting they are about the business of small businesses and avenue is in this city and we appreciate you. Stuff. So I guess we gotTa Garner Advice and and we gotTA accept it. So thank you. Thank you so much. We appreciate that. Absolutely. For you. Got You got. You got a favorite question you. But here we go. So. If. You could change one thing about the black community. What would it be in why? So. We had a pivot to that black and Brown communities in education if you had a magic wand. What would it be? What would it be? What you think. I think my struggle is narrowing it down to one I'M GONNA. Just different hard. Data band that's hard one. If I had told. Down wine. I'M GONNA have to go ahead and aligned with my mission. The one thing that I will probably changes the. Misnomer about college in general. Sometimes I. think that in our community, the idea of college is condo. One, sidey. The thought is that you have to go immediately about that. You have to go here or there without even that you have to go. But for me personally what I've noticed being education for the last sixteen years oftentimes win the college conversation is occurring historically black colleges and universities are not at the forefront if for me, that's problematic. The big reason that is problematic because there was a time historically were the only institutions whose doors were open to us this out for us sitting in, find the appropriate to shun dowse Popham problematic in and of itself but then the wandering of where that thinking comes from. We know that children don't determine their own opinions mindsets. These are things that are taught to them is all making astute accurate in real African American history. Apart, curriculum is part of the way you change the way black children view themselves because really what a student says when they say I, don't WanNa go H. C because I don't WanNa be around are. Black people. That's the symbol of them not necessarily loving having positive self identity they not filling in sales. So that is the big overturn to me when we think about the educational structure it how it is actually designed without my babies in mind they're not thinking of that nobody was thinking about my keys when I designed the American educational system now take. No. Curricular. Development is thinking about them. They are not at the front of that conversation. HEC walking billboard allows me to do was to remind them that just because the history is printed on making. So I get to give them a different Lens, give them a different a different approach. So what it looks like to reconsider because the other arts of is to be quiet. It's hard to picture yourself in a place where you're not represented. So of course, I'M NOT GONNA. Think that college is a place for me. If when I see college advertisements when I see college graduates when I say anything were post-secondary education people don't look like me. And that's where see US company because it's a sea of people they look like you. They might not think like you they definitely aren't going to be from the Cypresses of you as you but this diversity is only limited to ethnicity or gender is wrong. People can look exactly the same and be completely bow partners in all ways. It's all I promote a disease from that vein, and that would be my overhaul them the learn accurate African American history, and therefore happened since a pride in sales. This is regardless of the Bachelor H. B. C. You were not what I won't do. We think that thousands offer so part education. That love. That girl would you think I know we got a lot of comments came in to and and you know. I I like to address the Communist but I definitely want to make sure that we get our guest perspective on the questions. So Monica said changing the fire for me. To more at ADT, equitably distribute resources to schools Hurston stay says his impairing tragedy, and Traumas, and united to overcome our shared challenges. Mike Watson tapped in and said, how do we impact the curriculum as educators and administrators are public schools before we get what agency you? And Kevin said sadly, HBO value drop more each year. Until we reinvest into the system, it defeats the purpose of going. And then casino obviously typed in and said, we need to rock the curriculum teaching our homes before our kids are drawn to the door to institutions and how was addressing Mike Watson's comment. Or question and Kevin. Went to C. to Kevin Manny to grambling so He's coming from from that perspective as well. So So Yeah Edgar, what would you think well in in your estimation or your magic a bag if you put out what what what would you change in the black and Brown Communities. Education. and. Why So that's a difficult question because I have a completely a completely different perspective on that one I don't think I would change anything about our communities because I tend to see our communities as from a place of asset and I believe that more important that we censor our experiences in our voices as we are as people. Versus. What we need to be changing our the systems that are currently instituted and in place. Air, we're not designed with us in mine first and foremost, and so the way that I believe we do this is by censoring our experiences in by talking and leaning from that perspective by being proud of who we are. It I understand that a lot of diversity in communities of Arctic if transient of thought in and we don't all agree. Here the sage. I hear it said time again not all folks are not skimp Volker. Kinfolk right. It's. So the reality is we have a lot of internal things that we need to have a conversation hold each other close in call in but I am you know I don't I don't like to position our communities end from a place of deficit or from a place that we need any thing else I really liked to position of the what we know what the hell doing We just need the opportunity you don't even like. which is need the space to be who we are living our magic as as black and Brown people without having other folks come in and tell us what we're doing rock. So those are those are kind of that from an education perspective representation absolutely matters. We absolutely need more black and Brown folks in classrooms we need him in in at the administration level, we need want school boards we need out. I'm we need our folks to show up even? In spite of the many ways that our communities are prevented from showing up. Right I love that of that representation matters I mean it just does you know what I mean like there's there's not there's not a monolith there's there's not one way or two or three different ways. To make the changes that you want to see, but you have to have the people in place to be able to even have a conversation about change. So I love that and I love how how how that representation matters senior? What's your thoughts? You see that that that question that Beth. Put out there. What's your thoughts bad. Mice needed a necessary, but we are looking for white supremacist culture to embrace our engaged students in addition is education self-determined learning. You GonNa continue to weigh it will never happen. Because their business is to maintain power in control of the people that they are attempting to oppress. So. You know inherited the question that was asked and I love you all. I was going to give the same push back. The ever gave and I'm GonNa be very pointed about it that inherent in that question is an assumption. The something needs to be Chinese about black and Brown people in our communities in it doesn't. That's not to say that we don't have our problems and issues and things like that. We do. However, they are a direct result in they show up because of the trauma the oppression on the characteristics have been placed upon us by being into this fighting this culture that is driven by white supremacy in has been for hundreds of years. So inherent in that question is an assumption that there is something that. We need to change. We are who we are and we are great and we need to tap into that reservoir of greatness. We have too many examples so many that we don't even know about and the ones that we do that we can shit our entire existence at any time if we tap into that power. So if you so if I had to give an answer about changing something back what it is embracing. Our reservoir greatness in acting with courage to design our own system. Here. We have examples of that I'm sorry guys. We have examples of that and we can do that I do not understand nor will I ever understand embrace the fact that we are consistently begging repressive for equality and equity when they had told us for hundreds of years of that is not in their best interest in they're not going to do it stop it. If you are doing the same thing expecting differ results than what does that say about you and I WanNa Matt Insane so I refuse to do that create the systems that work for US period. So I'm passionate I'M NOT UPSET JUST Help. Healthy but. Real top hat time we are children out widgets ready I had this copier has astrology if it is on the assembly line or the bail in this getting made in, it doesn't meet quality control standards guess what they toss it out. But my children, our children cannot be tossed away. So we are passed a state of emergency and I believe that the universe created the most high however you tap into it. In anybody that knows me knows what I'm talking about. Levy understands that. Tap into that power ray then we can do anything that we need to do some. So Tim now is now that I'm I'm push in Sao one of the things I definitely agree that that if we in fire the question, a certain way does so many things but what both you and Edgar have spoken to contain a is still an opportunity for change and at the end of the day whether. That change is fueled a positive outlook or negative outlook. The opportunity is still there it's all I think that that is probably the landed pay for all of the conversation that we're having responsible in this question is that there are lots of opportunities for us to shift be are thinking be our identities whatever it is that we need to change in order to elevate our communities though the opportunity to change is still there. Still. That is that is that is so legit I mean I a couple of comments they came through. Ms Peterson I skipped. Bible. Study tonight. But I'm at Church in Ya bringing it. So there you know Chris Good says speak Michael. Watson says shift. Our said. Zare Guy. He said I'd love to love to have gone to hugh but never saw them at my interest inner city high school and then we had her status as Hughes are some of the most diverse institutions in the country ethnically culturally in sub culturally professors were were from everywhere on the globe Nigeria India Pakistan South Korea, the name of you I'd love and proud to be a graduate of North Carolina. Agricultural and Technical State University Aggie prod all day. That was a great point. So we appreciate that Hurston to shore. But with everything that you guys are saying like it all relevant, right like. We shouldn't you shouldn't have to apologize or. To like changed who you are and what you are for for the. Greater. What is that a greater view you should be able to invite people into you are and teach them whom you are and I think that's part of what we're doing here too is being able to do that putting people on a platform to introduce people to something new something that they might not have have experienced in the past. That's what the relationship between ourselves on business services. What Morgan is all about our our business to be able to bring together a cultures. To to teach folks or let them experience something like Tina said, I'm not mad. I'm not angry. This is my passion, right? That is what is right. We're helping people understand. Who We are where we come from and the way we do things, and so we I appreciate you got we appreciate you guys. Passion. About the the topic Know that we had a couple of I WANNA skip the next question Morgan and go right into the one Sharana has I think this kind of since. That conversation what we were saying you want to pick up there. Yeah, pick a so. Sorry next, how do we encourage you to dream big allow down to create pathways to ownership in addition to be employable? Right so how do we get beyond that? So I think we I as parents as those the model for them we have to dream big. We have to think critically, we have to model that you can tell them all day long. But it starts at home with the families. You know it used to be Oh sane most dreams the greatest number of dreams wearing a graveyard because people didn't seek their dreams apple for they died they live this whole life and. So they had to see people that look like the in their communities in their homes going after their dreams first and foremost talking to them asking now, if you do anything in the world, what would it be unless map out? Of course for you to get there in if you choose to change along the way that okay too we're going to support that change. It's poser is key is well exposed. Them had these conversations honor who they are is not our role to shape them, create them our tournament something that we decided to be they come here with purpose. So our job is to just honor that purpose and give them room in space. Net in structure environments is settings and things like that. We have a fail educational system and we just need to acknowledge that. Is Holding onto something that does not work. In that means the educators, administrators, district level officials, politicians, all of us, Meka first signals that the first step in changing anything it's not as the problem, right? So they once you have now at. You have to stop holding onto your position in Yo chick in getting in the way of these kids finding success. In basketball, we don't want to do. We don't want sacrifice ourselves lay down on our own sword for the next generation, but that key. In then we have to work collaboratively. I didn't always work with Edgar like we real clear about that. We spent each other knew each other, but we didn't always work together. But at some point, allow the line both of US understood lit. Maybe me later the necessity of collaborating with community resources, other institutions that provide real world application and opportunities for kids to see beyond the four walls of the classroom. Why do we have four walls why learning taking place institutions and buildings in the by prisons anyway? Since we need to ask why are we still relying on agricultural calendar? For School. Why do they have to go to school seven eight hours a day? Why do they have to wait to graduate his seventeen some already before that, we've seen live examples of. So, we need to be innovative in critically needed ourselves. So we give kids permission to do the same thing. Right loves. Day. couple. Of first and foremost walk in I have not worked together all the time. I think we were absolutely supportive of each other's. and we also want to gap the way right? Like that's also important to understand like sometimes you have to out of the way it's all tied that back into students of what you can you repeat that the second half of the question you talked about the employability of students. Allowed This repeated, how do we encourage youth to drink big allowing them to create pathways to ownership in addition to being employable? So think of some some Kurt initiatives that are appearing that are designed what is a conversation right now in the community around? The versus like What do you call those Trade or or short range before terms or whatever. Yeah. Yes industry. Ready credentials market value assets. One of my biggest concerns with that is who are they pushing into those roles? Do those kids look like How do we address the leadership gap in that space? So sometimes, one thing that I worry about my community particularly is, how do we create all the options in allow an indirect are suits them chooser options and make sure that they have understanding of August everything that's available So I think about that a lot I think again, representation is so important kids have to see what they can be before it gets its earn. So we have a responsibility to be in their presence. We have a responsibility to talk in in an share what we know, and we also have responsibility to allow that to actually be. To achieve their own today's I. Think a lot of the answers I think adults actually vulgarities, kids period, and so if adults can get out of the way and Kids grow into who they become and support them along the way like I'm not worried about them. You know I really weren't more about the adults in the room and sometimes the lack of recognition of the power and influence in `gate-keeping that we have that. Prevents our students from achieving their full extremes and so I think that that's that's important. I. I'm a big advocate for you know an ally ship in co-conspirator ship and that kind of stuff like. Create the platform get out the way. I love it. I love it. I JUST WANNA. Put out there point out to to their The Island he said, put him in an environment to be exposed to it. It Arts in the household in your community I want to say that Jay is actually doing and that's going to part with his two and we like to get your your your first part but. What are you specifically doing to allow space for this? So I wanted to Ajay Son, he has him in hockey in Lacrosse. on-scene boxing. He's bottom some DJ equipment to learn how to anything that his son stoves some type of interest in. He is actually out there exposing his to these things is seeing what? Actually. Ends up developing a passionate love for so. That is a part of this question as well. As. Well, we talked about actually putting them the opportunities in front of them so she. Wishes thoughts on that. Okay so I'm really. The questions are lowly. Let me just start the. Euro. Is Very difficult and I've taught English snowy wordy and embiid. So the place I'll start is. Think about teaching kids to dream big that's up. We don't have to teach them. We have to be intentional about not snatching the dream away because they they speak their dreams from as early as they're able to talk I. Remember my now eight year old told me when he was four, he wants to be a pilot. I mean not it was never list of things. I envisioned my son becoming the but if the men WanNa flap lanes let them fly planes in Kobe we talk about the Pivie in Colbert but I notice that. You know with with digital and virtual learning. The kids were getting done like that I mean it wasn't. It wasn't as it's time consuming and it shouldn't be casino idol and looking at a screen is not the same experience but we took advantage of that opportunity for them to start learning about things they were interested in. So we have a bird feeder we just. Purchased because my youngest son is interested in all of a sudden. We planted some herbs and now I really wish tablets technology was working because she's a great resource when talking through these things in how young people already had like, Tina said the purpose inside of them but they also already had the curiosity in the inquisition they got a Gig in the talent. Another thing I'll add is just as a parent. My both my sons now have their own nonprofit organization costs with waste. Because each of them started their own giving initiatives and they're very young ages. They said I run to MSA. So let's so that's the other part if accused as they wanna do something, how do we encourage that part? The other piece to that I want to give a huge asset cures him brown over at crossroads school she has a positioning of a real world coordinator or realized coordinator and this partisan saw. is to tops of the people in our building figure out what they want to do any connect them to resources in the community to allow them to do. So these are people are getting paid intern sheets to go out and do stuff, and they're fourteen and fifteen years old. That is where dreaming big comes from Germany, did comes from neon already the drain, but then adding somebody with the power and authority I e an adult to believe in my during and a guide me toward the path to get there. And in the last thing, I'll add is that We talk about Industry Rabi credentials. Again is one of. Those asset deficit viewpoints Colleges expensive in saw if there is a way for our students to acquire in industry ready credential prior to exit high school that puts them in position to pay the TAB. So shout out to Casey S are career technical education program is moving leaps and bounds. Have people come out of there with their EMT cosmetology license we got digital programming now graphic design auto body collision when I think about the hustle at Hec, you idea here on the side. Hustle. But I wasn't licensed if I were licensed active clients on, I could have charged more. So thinking through that part, two of having students and young people start to understand the value of valor before they even make one because they make it bears a hole in their pocket. But the what are all the different ways that I can't acquire that without depleting myself but but really live my true purpose. My Passion Adia learn about multiple strings that income until I was thirty. My son's know about multiple streams of income and twelve. So that's the game like teaching. Really early, not crushing their dreams and giving them the avenues to get there. Yes exactly. Exactly. So let me Lee Hurst Hurston back Hurston said we have to stop crushing dreams our young people tell us that they're interested in because we don't understand their dreams. I've had countless people share with me swift discouragement that they received from the elders when they shared with, we wanted to do shunning gaming art content creation. Ally U2. To name a few because we don't understand US bases continued to lock us out of opportunities that we're creating. Many. Millionaires void of Melanin Matt said systems that need to play students students outside of the Ninety Ninety percentile and that start with local businesses. To give back and support their younger community members. Jay Say. We as adults gotTA listen, he's a pilot. It's his life. DEMENTIA IS I don't know if you guys know who Dimitrius joyner is but black money matters I don't know if you've seen the black money matters movement here in. Kansas City. He is the initiator of that movement. So. Dmitri it's out if you if you get a chance these adult guy dope individual. In. So Lena ass what do parents who don't have a lot of money due to support their children's dreams goes I. Think Morgan Problem We have some feedback on that which you think Morgan. What compares do that don't have a lot of money to support their children's dreams and goals. I I often. Weird answer to this stand. His I know everybody wants me to say go to the law. That Is. Definitely a piece of that and probably multiple people on the scandal have memories picking out that VHS tape at the library or that particular book that you really liked definitely pieces that I think the most important thing you can do you don't have a lot of money. It's not to approach every conversation with your child to the frame of we don't have a lot of money. In that it's hard. That is that is very, very challenging but that that is the thing you can do because. So many of these some of these exploration activities to give it a fancy name. That's really big but. These exploration activities don't have been space camp. They can be watching something on TV and Harking. or in not just what's about it for what might be wrong with it too because, your your kids are seeing more light. And they're not talking to you about it necessarily, but they are absorbing it and becoming their normal. So is every in your rights Involves discussion. About. We don't. We don't have been. That is what they're that imprinted on them, and that becomes a template for conversations for the rest of their life. So really what can we do? Because if you like architecture, you can walk around noon state. If you like Archie architecture, we can get on Youtube and look at architects and we can be really choosy with some. And I know you don't have it in time. But if you can squeeze together some time and look person briefed sources on this, there is so much of bailable to you for free if you have the time to invest in the search and really. Maybe, Google. So again, go to library. Robotics kits do it. But also. Refrain that conversation you're going to have in, be really careful with it. I liked to answer quiz to. says. Like give them the chance to to do what they dream like I brought my podcasts for my son Bill He loves you too. He loved watching a jelly beans on youtube. I've gave him an opportunity to be on youtube started show. So. Just give them the opportunity to give it a chance whatever they drink. Now. Other. Academia. You go well. Because we got betsy brain powers of my best friend. Heated it up with the digital divide in. So I just wanted to speak to like the idea that. We can't pretend money doesn't matter though because he does. In because a matters, I think that we have to empower our young people with words and not being afraid to ask in. So I come from a very personal place we grow very. Broke economically disadvantaged what it return me WANNA use but. One thing my Mama taught me very early was how to advocate for myself saul to use Morgan's example a bass basecamp. Momma ain't got it. But if you really, WANNA go. How do we? saw that would he's Young Person Starts Mullen Mas and collecting money that they take up a special collection at Church that we reach out to other people that can help. You'll in fond whatever this young person needs to see if this is what I really WanNa do or to have an experience that they otherwise might be able to hat is a with that. I'll shout out out gates. So every year I came home from college I wrote a letter and. Business owners around the city. I just bought three books to stance I worked at the Kansas City Zoo and I mailed it out. I asked him I wasn't scared I. ME ME. Obligates did not from a can of paint them send me a check for two hundred and fifty dollars to meet I was a lot of money. Somebody that you don't know. So when we talk about empowering them despite the Wi be at the digital divide at the economic gaps, we have to still empower them with two walls that help them overcome bells names. Yep You're absolutely ran out of going to jump into say so Put myself out there. I got pregnant the night graduated from high school. To speak today address the alive took literally. Okay. So. I am my son in February I started college in August. We were struggling. Because I wanted to be the best parent I could be, but I ask was a fulltime student. So. There are a lot of things that I could not afford as a single young. Parent, the most people thought would be a statistic. Knee of the things that your children want to participate in those organizations in those institutions have money set aside. But they don't publicize it. So. When you walk in, you said Marquee wants to do X Y and Z who don't pay for it. 'cause I can't. You'd be surprised Amazon is no TV shows. He's at any every opportunity you can think of it. He hated a lot of the because I made him do that. Even eggs I'm like you need to do this come on. Let's go figure that you need to learn how to swim. Okay. Let's no we're GONNA get a status and why you need to figure this out like there were things that I, pushed him. But there are also things he wanted to do. A an that wasn't the case every time maybe financial agent came all the time. I was able to pay but other times. was no I need to go in here and I? Have a benefactor or somebody in sometimes the program didn't exist. But because I asked the question then they created it or at least I did a my In so you likes to now say, do not math on. To advocate yourself and your children. Now we're telling you they'll brand people we have to be realistic about this as well. Many of us were taught from very young ages. You don't ask for handouts that makes you look weak on cool Ali things. So when that is drilled in your mind and you'll hand four years. You have to deconstruct that being and say, no, no no that is not what it means. It means that as pressed person here we go again right in this society and other people benefiting not the work with me and my ancestors they add of have certain opportunities therefore guess what I need a little bit of reputation right here. So what you got. In Dog. We afraid like now you all this because other people. Have had access to these things because they benefited I've what they still into for other people. So like in in being groups, these dissociating is amazing right now there are. Groups of parents that support is share at to. Remission joys, some groups Tele has won. Macedon amid says, one Jimmy Way has one we have tons of powerful beautiful black and Brown people that are supporting parents though even if you don't wanNA publicly worn out and say I mean, it's Lanzi build community within some of these groups lean on they want you to. React some of us we will find what you need and we will support you because that important to us. Love it. I just. The. The Latino Arts Foundation provides a no cost art mentor Shit including no cost the big Viagra fee mentorship during the summers fall and spring. Supply paid for they do this to support. We're. Not We do not. We do. So everyone in the community is If this is something they like having to spend money they might not have a worse never tried because he's never had the fund. So sorry I, Miss Kinda midst all of that, but you can read D-. there. And also, I. Just I just wanted this need to that. That was the part of the reason why we created the porterhouse KC. We started with these figure series events where we were hosting a consummate professional to come in and teach piece of business for free. We paid out of our initial for the first two two and a half years because we have food we ran on bus line good things wanted to check off the boxes that we're folks couldn't didn't have access. We want to try to check off those boxes as much as possible but we wanted to dive in a little deeper as space that we got with a relationship with we space right off thirty first or thirty four degrees right over truce. That was that's our whole intention with that is because there's a lot of folks that have opportunity to play in business and testings out. And get jumped in and out of that game where people come that come from where I come from don't really have the opportunity to play in business that seemed things work to told things to play with things and so what we wanted to do create a platform or space for folks can come in. And actually. Have that ability to With no overhead come in and play with space right and try to figure out if business toward them or test their products and services and things like that. Those are part of the reason. Doing, what we're doing is because of the lack of access right I get frustrated with people get they talk about pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and all this other stuff that these conversations that Guan right and. A lot of folks don't even have the boots to pull up. Let alone the bootstraps. And so what are our obligation as to if we have these resources are obligations to provide these resources to the people that actually need regardless of what what they look like a where they come from or whatever the case may be because we want those people in this face while we wear t shirts and hoodies and hats, we want people to come as they are with with with. No. We don't want people that feel St- shamed of how they look where they come from any of because that all those things are barriers and we want to try to eliminate any barriers as possible and so that's kind of the reason why we saw. So box anyway. So. Too, so learn about this, lose all the resource. Getting into business. Most definitely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think we should go down because the second time we're actually pushing our in thirty minutes. So. First of all, I WANNA thank Edgar Tina Chanel because they were tired when I started this right this show I appreciate you sticking in there with this. Iraqi would is throughout throughout this show. Because I know that had a long day and and and to wrap up with this great intense conversation, not intense but Of Important Important conversations. So scenario I had a question about what the head off looks like from high school to college and wash that young people look more intently on ABC News as a viable education. But I think we kind answered a lot of that through your conversation and also the comments that we had. In the in the the action. One know from Utah. How did you get into the space that you are in in what we're like one or two road blocks that you kind of or were faced with for the folks that are that are watching and. How did you get through those roadblocks? I know we we had probably turn of roadblocks like Chanel said a lot of these questions, a loaded questions but. I will put you in the in in this as to fill like you can be. A change agent and then some blocks. How'd you get? Egger if you WANNA start forced. That's that's the easiest question of the night. So I think that I've been destined to do this work and I, think I I don't use these words lightly. It's been ordained in in a certain way because all the pathways in everything has kind of led me to the space. I'm for me. It was about going into schools tour schools seen being in schools where ninety, nine, hundred percent of the sooner population was. Next. Hispanic cover however that you saw identify. Not Seeing one educator of color in the building. and seeing that time and time and time and time again in cities were our next expected that players like Houston places in California places. That Latino community is absolutely there and yet you know. Not In certain environments, and so that's how I got into the work. Because at some point I felt like I also looked around. I come from a nonprofit background, and so I don't believe necessarily created duplicate of services or like reinventing the wheel if it's already there So I, looked around for specifically lat next servant organizations that were doing the work for on teacher representation. Found some similar organizations at a national level, but nothing your locally and I'm still looking. So there's somebody doing the work out here locally regionally, like let me know I'm happy to combine efforts in. His we all you know I need the help and I'm sure you too But the roadblocks are I mean like the system is black funding is a roadblock The stuff that you don't know you don't know is a roadblock navigating the politics of everything figuring out how to continue when people tell you know. How do you self invest in this work? pay child support in my case in. Do other stuff and still be able to invest. In the working continue the movement right that that we're trying to create and so I don't know how gone through some of those barriers I think part of it is that I've been uplifted by my community. and. My community has been very supportive Emma community shifts like it's it's different people at different in different days It's the thirty minute conversations with Katina where she's like encouraging I'm seeing her do her work and I'm inspired by that. It's tune into your program and see like Man Y'all got Alec Dope background got an Intro. How do I do that and how do I figure that out you know? Honestly. It's by seeing our educators or community. You know as Latino as the son of immigrants of as also navigating space in Nazi myself reflected in these conversations and the spaces like I know better in. So I choose to do better right and I choose to do something about it and at the end of the day, it's not about me. It really comes down to the generation after US because they're the ones that will benefit from the work that we do today or they're they're the ones that can also be harmed by the work that we do today, and so I take that that responsibility very seriously And I just know when a quick I. So y'All we're talking about being groped upgrades. My parents showed up to this country back in nineteen eighty one didn't speak the language they were fleeing civil war in the home country and I remember when they went through bankruptcy I remember being like five or six on the phone book collectors because I was the only one that spoke the language right and so like I was handling the book collectors at that point in time. Didn't know that I was developed negotiating skills and didn't know. How to negotiate timelines an all contracts and all these other they had no idea. It's so those goals have definitely benefit me and my parents are terrible with money. They've always been terrible money like. Don't disrespect to them. I love him a lot but they suck at money in. So I don't have that Halloween for me. So I've had to learn my heart wasn't along the way and we'll. It's talking about money burns a pocket. Man I give my entire check to my wife and like I don't see what happens because like I. Know Myself. All right. I don't know. I. Don't know when to. End. You know at the end of the day like money make everything move it certainly helpful I'm certainly speeds things up sometimes, but you know they're ignorant. Like on game on this one time, she talked about the different types of capital that there are and so she not only is their financial capital. There is social capital There's all these other different types of ways that you can get things done in. So I am reminded of that women I don't have the financial capital things like what else do I got in my pocket? What other acids do a have that I can rely on and leverage to get the work done things at the end of the day like the work has to happen. And there's a whole. Here's a hell of a huge community after that is one is support you? If you're willing to acknowledge your dream be vocal about it as well. So There's also a lot of people out there who are GonNa be Hayes, but as a good friend out there told me just yesterday haters are your biggest fan. Gear. Thing. That was a I got to the space because of Mr Carl, price with the black healthcare coalition years ago. My own clothes sprang to Michel Mom Ms Williams I'm a Williams. She knew my mom couldn't afford to sue me on the Black Healthcare Coalition College tour. So she made sure that I went. and. It was on that tour that I was able to really develop a love and passion for HVAC US in general. But at fifteen years old I stepped off of that coach bus onto the campus of IDC University and I felt something. When I tell this story people think I'm being dramatic but I. I'm not buying I felt I. Don't know if it was like an ancestral surge, but whatever it was I, felt something and I knew in that moment that that was the institution that I would attend and I D I went there on a full scholarship honey for my mom because she have. but with all the tools that she equipped me wait which was to understand that if I was going I was going to have to work hard to get there in south with that. My mom passed when I graduated from college I graduated in May. She passed in August very unexpectedly in that catapulted me for my. What I thought was measuring career because I want okay. My dream was really to just be clair huxtable. So I want to be a lawyer was have went to keys that was my dream and I would be lost the way Casey on my fourth day when my mom passed. So I had to kind of reevaluate my life in doing that. What I realized is that my passion was not. The idea that I could one day may be seeing black men to jail that wasn't a passion for me. My Passion was, how do I play my part in saving as many of them from that future as I can and that's what I. So I went into the Yeltsin cloud McQueen for the job at the Full Employment Council and in that case pools are taught me that my real gift was education impacting young people this. So I did that and then we started our HVAC college tour at. Imagine. Renaissance Academy. Would eat three of house before the school closed and it was. Eye, opening core of our students to go onto these campuses in see that these are colleges and stylish campuses you are the majority in the fact that you're the majority puts you on a space to develop a level of self security. And Self sufficiency that when you come out into the world where you are top two are minority which is still debatable. You go into this Space Command Your Respect. When I walk into a space I, don't have to say anything in education ironically is still not abnormal for me to go into a professional development and be the only black person there. That's still not abnormal in twenty twenty. But when he had billions on prepared because of my age see, you taught me, that's how many things that my high school didn't teach. Elementary School didn't teach me and then my parents tried to teach me but they were missing pieces because they didn't have that experience. So that would be how landy my robot role blacks have been myself. Honestly I am still working fulltime, I have a family to support. I was my biggest roadblock is just myself there at times that I Honestly I'm too tired or maybe I do have the energy and I just don't feel like. It's all those things to to release stand in my way. When I think about the things that I've learned along the way I would say the biggest piece of advice I can give anybody who has a passion is to not let anybody chilly 'cause people try whether they realize it or not. Any Naysayer is in essence trying to kill your passion. So don't let that happen instead shift Joe Thinking Chief Joe Energy to focus on the people who support you. Always focused on the positive if you. Whatever supposed to come to fruition wheel there's no such thing as failure when you walk in purpose. Drew Shirai ibn a dream killer man I'm telling you. Said you. Wanted to bring up my wife did not know about Hvac us until stumped the art. Which I was shot I was like. Lord I don't know about HVAC US so I also wanted to ask you should know with the. walking billboard Do you go to all the schools. Let these kids know about HPCL's. How're you doing until? You're trying to get out there. So it's not it's kind of organic being an educator I'm in school. So that's Kinda made possible the plus now being in Casey ps, we have a program called Abby is. So we're noticing that program provides some leverage to provide counter like a smaller scale HPC's specific focus for some students who were in college readiness. Program this other asked apart it's kind of been the Focus right now in terms of like community events I, just got a quarter people Iraq me and that's without me. There's there's no formality to wait trying to put the formality to it has been cumbersome because that's just it's been really organic salt that has been the power I'm like I'm in my own way because the formality is will leads us to the the mighty dollar we. I saw I have to I have to do that part, but in terms of curriculum in programming is just. kind of like the hand or the parallel me being in education already. Those. Casino what you think. I was crying over here like I had such. Bad. She. Experience of walking odds of this campus in feeling something like some permeated, my whole entire spirit in that moment. I was stationed near the you and I had A parallel life I graduated from law school in that September is when my father passed in. That was significant because he did not think that I will be able to achieve the goal of completing law school because I had my son. In. The devastating for him. So the fact that he was able to live to see that come to fruition. So special for me what I will say how I find myself here I feel like I've lived multiple lifetimes in one. And, that is because my pad for K. through school was just that I to you know I wanted to be the lawyer. We I don't know where that came from that desire with avenue was my father was an engineer. My mother retirement government is she did entrepreneurial things as well. But When I really think about it I couldn't be any place but here. In that, a big part of that is because of on mother, is she if Y'all anybody knows my mother are nobes. Knee is like we are not touchy feely. would be what I had to really say that because when it comes to community when it comes to black people when it comes to assisting people it becoming the best that they can be that started with her that's what she dedicated her life to I to her children in Ben the larger community. So I couldn't be any of what you see before you. if she hadn't set the tone and model that the only difference is that I was able to acquire additional skill sets along the way. God in infinite wisdom stood there like I could have the plan. And you couldn't just put me in that position. My they're have been the evolution of who I am the girl everyone used to call me k. that's my middle name. She had by light literally, I, had a funeral for her and everything she met girl head to pass away. So the ACA walk into my womanhood so that actually could see hat combined opera preneurs ship my legal experiences in the fifteen years that I spent in education to now impact the community in the way in which I do. One thing my barrier to Chanel tatum's chaired experience. It's amazing when when you say the only barrier or the major barrier was yourself saying here my own thoughts, my own critique of who I am what I should be now understand where that came from I'm very clear back at Ya. No. Yeah. CAPPELLI STATE IF I say white supremacist culture right. Live in shaped, informed me some of our grandparents and parents notions of what it needs to be a woman or to navigate this world as a woman they were. You know very. Cool with the tools they haven't atop, but it did a disservice so many of us. So I had to deconstruct a lot of the foundational beliefs that existed about me about black women that look like me about big girls about girls went loss all of this stuff. To get to where I am today in his ever body process that I am so enjoying. Now. But it was painful. and. The last part of that, you said with the barriers, how do we find ourselves here in? What was the last part was that Yup You got it. We just gotTa go for Child Life Walkie Oh purpose. deigned all of us have a purpose we do. It will be revealed to us in different ways and make sure your eyes are open so you can see it. Gives you when you get the flash in the end zone d'oro do it Yeah inaugur. Alot. The Hey, WanNa make a comment to now I. Don't know how quick like you're like. So quick with the hands 'cause Katina says I'm in your hands already thought a heart Abreu quick. Hand is right here. I just wanted I. Just wanted to point out that's. Moves Their nonverbal. Okay. You represent anything in. So, really quick think. First of again I appreciate every you know you you three and I. Know Topa wish she could connect. We appreciate you guys accepting and being open and vulnerable on this platform. I know that we collectively Sharana. Are So empowered and and have a get so much value. From what you guys are doing in conversation that we have, and I know our listeners and our words. Are Getting value from from what you're you're discussing. and which provider so again, thank you for all those gyms that you provided. We normally do is do like a quick round table around Robin. Of. Closing thoughts and things like that. I know like I say we're pushing that our four five minutes right now. Like there's no, there's no time clock, but I know that you know. Somebody might have to. Step away and do something or whatnot saw respect everybody's time. So. If you limit your your closing couple of minutes I appreciate again. You guys are phenomenal and wonderful. So who wants to start on their closing thoughts. Anybody I I. Guess I could go. Right. Agra and thank you. From Agra perspectives man it was amazing. Mike I have. The greatest PRIDE FOR HP US and I love hearing people's experience about how they was in fraternities are bans in they. They just have something bed I can experience because I went to young KC and I was kind of I was only black. Student in some of the classes I took. Yeah, it's it's amazing to hear the stories and. Joining a Fraternity Casey we got experience too ill, you and auto other schools it was it was don't and I was like man I didn't even know about the experience until I went to the schools in join enough eternity Kappa Alpha, PSI incorporate but Yoyo. Edgar man is dope probably bring the community. You know. Just learned in a different cultures in just wrapping it in Casino The entrepreneur consultant and it's So positive. Thoughts. In that's my end in closing thoughts. Thank you, guys. Though the. You've been fired up there soaking it all. I know I was kind of quiet to do. Yeah, that's that's why I'm here like I really didn't think I was GONNA turn into a regular panelist I thought I was just like making sure a thing happened every Wednesday that I could watch it learn from. Out of it for a while but stopped now to help I think you'll so much. They said. We really spend a lot of time as team talking about who we went on here in. It's so funny because I get Katina teach the library like every three or four months and she was. Noted that. You I'm. Greg call out. Read. Thoughts for today. I'm. GonNa out myself on this one I don't have children. I don't have children. So I spent better than half of my life go away. Okay. Cool. But it doesn't matter to me and then go back to my dual-income notice style I. So. The change that has happened now through my exposure to entrepreneurial education. K twelve that no this is really critical and I think Edgar said it. You you do this and you participate in you suport in you being one of those small businesses that helps the student trying to wait you join Chechen needed because she says, if we want more black chefs, we have to grow in support more black shots. In that hurts at a very young age you do that even when you don't have children. And you happily pay those taxes to support the schools even if you don't have children because you're really trying to to make it better for the people who come after you and takes a certain maturity that you don't have to do. I really don't think you can think like that at twenty two. In, thank you so much all of you for for decking your lives when you so clearly. Could be doing something else. We still clearly curtin gone the route with the money. Thank you all so much for dedicating yourselves to this work particularly at a time when large corporations just want us up talented people they just want to scoop up, scoop them up. I. Thank you for dedicating yourself to this because that takes a certain gumption it takes bravery. Routes no that Chanel walking into a broken system every day. But she still walking in there and. You. On a personal note. Thank you Tina for always. Putting the things on facebook. For, always putting the things on facebook because seeing her pivots. Meant that I knew hit it's could happen. and. Every time. She shares something like she my post in a facebook group nine times a day she might do it. You know but she's doing it need to know we need to need to stop pretending like the things are happening. So just on a personal nicotine I thank you for. that. Because it's so important dislike the people in your life for so quick to So quick to you pointed out what you need to be better I. Think you do that for a lot of people in Kansas City and that's not a fun job every day. So leading. Fake you. Sorry. I would like for all y'all to quit your contact information in the comments. So people to. Go I'm sorry. Now yet. Thank you so much. I'm always honored. I'm humbled. To be a part of anything that people think I have something of value to share i. hope that I always remain in that space because I never want to see myself higher than I am. because I lived that piece of life already in it is not helpful to myself or to anyone else. So I am truly thankful and grateful for idiot every opportunity that I have You know the closing thought to those as we think about shifting education. To make sure that our children who desire to be their own bosses simply is that we need to make room for them. And if that means dismantling in an entire system to make it happen and led to do that. And we can do that. In. So be courageous BA- thoughtful. An tyranny walls parents think you have a unique opportunity right now because you do not know what the fall is going to look like some schools will open some may not in. So you have the opportunity to ask your children, what they want to learn about what they're interested in in. then making that really applicable to the life they live every single day. and. If you don't know how to do that, ask Chanel asked Edgar myself or some other educator that can walk with you through that journey. Am and we will be more than happy to do it because we do understand what this system does well, and does not do well. In right now does not set up black and Brown and poor children for success. Appreciate Egger, which thing. So, I echo Katina says. Said in terms of I'm so appreciative for the opportunity to share share space with you. I'm being community with you also think you for that I actually had. A little bit, I had the privilege right before this For. This opportunity to be in a book club that was led by Dr Bettina loves we were talking abolitionist teaching She is one of the leaders in that work in one of the one of our of wanted people doing the work and reminding us of what to do and how to do it well and so something that she said after with you are is We don't have to go back to the thing the way things were. and so we've gotten rid of a lot of some some people. Some states have gotten rid of standardized testing, some states have. All. These other things off these barriers that were in place we've learned that a school computers work outside of the schools. We've learned a lot of other things and so we don't have to go back. To the old way of doing things and we have an opportunity now to shift. Into really censor voice of we need a censor in in these conversations, and so I share that with you also share one of my favorite statements that I've heard throughout cove nineteen, which is joy is an act of resistance in. So if the only thing you can do is be joyful and that is aw that we need. Love I. Love It. I love it chanel. I just wanted to close out by signing in it really commas sits on me in my devotion to black colleges and universities, and that is the This conception that if you didn't go to one that you, you can't be a part of the work. Is So HSBC walking billboard we actually named it looks like to support the mission and vision of HPC's you're either a rookie. That's a current student at historically black college or university urine along you are a person who graduated attended or graduated from. HP. C. You or you're an ally in allies, a person who did not attend a historically black college or university, but they still recognize their value and their assess. Is. Ninety net is important to me in the work that I do because the last thing that we need is for people to feel like they can't support something simply because they weren't a part of the. That will be my closing remark to let everybody know whether you attended one or not your support is necessary. So the Can continue to exist many of them are in financial peril. Big Part of that is due to reduced enrollment and a big part of that. We won't go all the way into it but in Katina's words, this white supremacist thinking. So with that being said the more knowledge, we can bring to argue on people of all different backgrounds that these institutions are not only viable but they provide a very unique experience than the more weaking insured they stick around for centuries to calm. The love it. Love it. I love it. So. This was a crazy calm. I think we broke. I'm where we went. Off. His Long. Yes it was it was one hundred percent hundred percent we APPREC. Again, we appreciate you is for. Sharing this platform with this and inspiring some folks and being vulnerable been opened because it means. it all matters in talk about this matters movement at because it does everything that we're talking about Adar's. Reputation. Matters. Lack of diversity matters Inspiring you matter showing people how things are done matters. It just it all is relevant and so. Without you guys talking about it we don't. We don't get that exposure. So again, we appreciate you all. and yes. So there's I. Don't think there's anything else. To be. Said So. Intel. Intel next week. Thank you everybody from Quad. So. Home. Some Came into. Some new that you've been down. Dow. Look. Like the Sani. Beasts. More share. More of a paradigm keyboard all. Caricom but. The. Patch. Inches. Grant money. She. Town.

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Episode 25 Black men in technology

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Episode 25 Black men in technology

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I know you're going to learn the back when I Cloud space, I guess for the download people don't see that's a great distraction. She know I'm on a mission y'all got three months to your practice almost like I'm chasing checking on a Monday back in my timeline. I'm like Different options there any like a make Beast more you control the shift like a keyboard wait like a paradigm. I keep running all like a marathon that you reach for your bike like Derek on but after that be the weenie dog, so I mean if they want to be no, I don't want to really be no, but I've had been on the East Coast for the green lights below all about the green lights Jingle Ball rolling up my guess. They're really got the keys back off. Maybe get maybe just gotta sit down. There we go. We figured it out sucker, but it's up man. How's everybody going off a home? So we are welcome to our Wednesday evening conversation a porterhouse Casey broken by the courthouse page McConnell's. Where is the services of the Mid-Continent Public Library with Morgan over there? They Morgan so we are we are crazy thoughts about this conversation that we're about to have some night when we do is we just do it like a little round robin. So everybody can introduce themselves real quick and I will give it to some welcome some shout-outs throw some flowers out there and we get into the meat and potatoes of the compensation. So the guys Over from vendor assistant is next to is what you guys go ahead and go first and introduce yourselves manage. The car had also known as J Allen. I am the Creator CEO of time with your comics and the co-founder of the vendors of digitally sandbox funded and my name is Rodney McDuffy. I am the CEO of the vendors assistant again, we won digital sandbox with hear my brother-in-law Jay Allen. And so we're super excited to be here and home, you know, it's going to be a good conversation. I would give a shout tomorrow or later. There you go, Jerry. What you going to keep that going? Hey. Hello. My name is Jerry Thornhill founder CEO of the Georgia. The Georgia was all in one Service app to make date night and got your plan and easier than ever and I'm happy to be here. Let's go off. You know what? I needed that University Max and I was like God. Yeah, I need a break, you know, we can't hear you. I'm on mute my bad. Hey, I'm Quinton Scarborough. I am the founder developer of Paul connects, which is a social Community out desire to help dog parents meet connected play super excited to be here. Nice. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Let's skip over Morgan will let her go the next Brian Walsh introduced himself as Brian Shannon. I'm the founder and former CEO of the recently-acquired ticket RX currently the managing director of o r d p our ticket RX Welcome Chris Jones. Great to be here guys. I'm Chris Jones as founder Matt right here. I say application to help page retrieve the medical records and multiple doctors and share it with the current provider or did you introduce yourself off? Like are you so long? It's all right, Ron Thompson the other co-founder boarding house and I got my technology Mass. It contains colors home. So for the techs out there. I know you take that out whenever we are not showing that no more. I'm just laying off awesome. I'm Dan Smith other co-founder of the porterhouse Casey Pac-Man. We're excited. First of all, we appreciate you all for accepting the invitation for coming on to have this chat and it's long overdue. It's mostly dead and I want to shout out some of the folks that's in the comics who my sister's love. We're not busy bit Mister Casey. Where you at home. Tammy technically digital music from the house. Yeah, and because I am hating on the dash. I think they should raise on in terms of flashing camera. Maybe another batch just like hey so really quick when we do is we we took us so we kind of just shout out some folks that you see this is really cool stuff and Community family friends that out you do that with Phillip. Leesman is in the building. I just want to go ahead and mention that watching appreciate it. Philip William high school is in the building. Hey William was in our one of our shows. Hey energy is like bars more nervous energy to be great and say a fashion designer. He's a stylist and birth. If you want to know how to get style or anything like that follow William, he's been there. It's really quick off voice towards Mr. Kids and I went to get with Chris good I guess something somewhere where we took it out. So that's what the deactivated so if you have any problems or anything out there as far as being wise to help, so I thought I'd like to give a shout out to just our first thing you promise for being on here. I've been kind of Facebook's talking a little bit there so long No more than you you set up. This took place in Egypt really off. You guys got any start out. So many people out there just shut out to my son and my nephew check to myself Phoenix. You had a little minor procedure today. So he's healing up and as you know anything about me and my baby girl. Leonardo play so he's heard not hurt right now. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up to Kansas City shut out to anybody that seemed to grow up that had an influence on me good or bad is a reason why I'm here in this position. I am in the day. I set out to my brother-in-law who's my first found co-founder man, my first partner in business who has helped me evolve. So that's my shout-out. No, no. No, that can be I get it. I understand I got home, you know, I want to definitely shout out to you know, Jay for allow me to you know partake in this in a Endeavor man, and you know, I'm very excited to see this grow also want to shout out my birth parents Sharon and Rodney McDuffie, you know, without them, you know, there wouldn't be a me, you know, especially, you know my interest in business, you know, they own a a black-owned my name. Recertified business floor coverings International about two years in and you know, I'm very thankful for them for Paving the way for me being an entrepreneur that I am today. So I need to give a shout out to them. You want to you want to shout outs out there a couple of can I pull out my list? You want me to page? I do want to shout out. One thing. I will say about the this group of guys man. We are also fathers may you can hear a lot of shout-outs for our kids man. I want to shout out to my son little germ and my motivation he what keeps me going off. I want to shout out to week. Okay see a good organization of great organizational by field and Tammy Manning my business partner for our team and help give the kids chances Thursday, we can head up and they provide an opportunity and that's one thing I want to highlight and give a shout out to them. I want to get a shout-out to digital sandbox and we're taking it to that next level. They they believe they mean, you know, you know so long Opportunity was a guy to give them a shout out to her old man poked. She's my mentor. You know, she takes me to that level. She helped me with trust the decisions man, if y'all don't know, how can I get to know her man? She's awesome man child support taken me. You know when you get on the show man, thank you, bro. Hey there a way to see is the real deal doors. He's been on the show. She's a friend of a friend of the show Brian when you got a couple people you need to shut up cause I want to give a shout out to everybody on this on this call man. Like I've had the opportunity to see all these these brothers are some form of fashion and what they're doing just gives me energy life as well man. You know, it's a shout out to all the yellow and and importantly man. Shout out to the technology Founders who can't code or develop wage. Okay, absolute you got some shout-outs. Absolutely, absolutely, but I got a shout out. What am I good enough business partner, but she's been helping me spread the word on Paul connects. Her name is Jesse dang. She's the president of a dog park and improve group called dig dig so big shout-out to her and I got a piggyback on on Jared and the rest of the crew and give a big shout-out to Lily and James marketing. They have really done a big big work with me getting the park Annex name out there. And of course, I got a shout-out bhar ke who who allowed me to come in and launch my product and the headquarters of dogs. So it was it was a big turn-off. Everything's going well and of course everybody in this group, I think we've all linked out outside of this. I've been up against Chris Jones and a lost big time. So I'm happy to see him and happy to be a presidential. Yeah. I'm excited to be here. Look at looking forward to getting the conversation started. Awesome Chris Jones. The other one, you know everybody that that. I had an idea of pursuing, you know, everybody, you know, I think them everybody that's been around me has been part of Matt's right that's been a part of just my former life. Everything else has been going on with me a shout out to them cuz good or bad mean. I think they make you who you are and I'm actually not going through my list and so many of them but just out of anybody that touched me good or bad. I appreciate it cuz I am I am right now, so I got a few shout-outs really quick and then we'll get into it. I want to shout out my wife. I've always really rock and roll back to call from the foundation for their support. Also. I want to shout out Morgan's today on the Egypt Summit breakout session. It was phenomenal woman to stay dead. You know, she's here right now, but she blames it up. She's got her in Quincy so much. She's ready to go did a great job today. I want to give a shout-out kcsourcelink on birth. This is really low entrepreneurship sign-up phase we've done Global entrepreneurship last three years have had phenomenal turned out great sessions. So it was a great me the rules actually open now on the website is g. W Casey. So check that out. If you have a proposal something if you're excited about business ownership. Extra definitely go out there and submit ideas to local universities or Thursday. We are looking for mentors and mentees the porterhouse Casey along with square business service has been awarded the Eastern Community Home of great or yeah, great to an entrepreneurship mentorship program. So we're really excited about that. Go to the courthouse caseys.com top right off. What are you saying? Click click on that little bit more information sign up all that good stuff. So we're looking for mentors and mentees and Entrepreneurship Chesney shoutouts things in a p h k c. We are in the building. They are partner bars. We are excited about this. We are here. This is Doha mistake pillage. They're doing some really great things off. If you are not see a lot of viewers. We got some people that's watching if you're watching go ahead put a comment out there say what's up to these fellows on the on the on the panel or more everybody, you know box. Out from us or that's watching so that's ignited. So anybody else you're still out there any questions threw it out. So well, yeah questions come out there for sure. We did this little piece about flowers. I'm going to make it quick. I know we're excited to get into the conversation first by just going to say you guys are dead. Nominee, would you guys are breaking barriers that has been standing long-standing for for way too long? And you guys said I have an idea. I have a product. I have a service you have a purpose and we are trying to get this thing done and throughout all the barriers that are in front of you and behind you you are still as you guys are doing so I just want to applaud you for being transgendered and change-makers in our community. There's people watching So ba khong a lot of people watching. So just about that your work is not just because of the the work that you're doing just for you and you're in circles. There's a lot more people from you guys, right and appreciate you're applauding and supporting and rooting for you. So again, thank you for what you're doing. We appreciate your birth. That's cool. Let's get the questions man. Let's get into the question. This is go around and tell you how did you guys get into the technology industry? We can anybody can start so I'm a world traveler. So I Learned was a lot of people don't like the plan without Earnest when it off tonight and God trip a lot of men are so stupid complicated but I like playing so I didn't want to be a travel agent. It's not enroll in the travel agent, but I seem different technology companies and you know things like that. So I was like, how can I put the planet and put it in technology and I see the icing over dead and I say what they did and I was like, you know, and one thing I do make. This company is Kansas City what one thing I do see people say is nothing to do in Kansas city has nowhere to go in Kansas City. That's not true. It's so much to do in Kansas city is soul food to even cares really you just gotta know how to get there and how to get there and that's what I wanted to do. I want to actually put a spotlight for local business and things like that. So the, Georgia simbu, Obsessed one more time here. So that's how I got into who's that? So I started to 9 to 3, So about about three years ago, and I was pretty much in a space where I knew I had to scale the business and I knew I had to get a partner and to scale that business. So true story. I suggest Brian's article on digital sandbox because I knew I didn't have 20 racks sitting around looking up grants on Branson, Kansas City to build a app because I was going through a new I wanted to do with the vendors assistant, but I just know how to have to pay for, you know, everybody has a business but you just need to get the funding and then Brian's face popped up with them, you know, so I think on on Facebook and hit them up and just kind of ask them some questions we talked about using the same box. I took tape Venture a first I pitched and then now I'm dead. We're at today. I got my partner and never working on that. Yeah, and I you know, just kind of like going off with J was saying is that you know, we're both from have our small business Thursday with 293 comics and then I would for covers International and we wanted to bring like a spotlight to small businesses. You know, there's so many small businesses out there within the United States Kansas City that don't get the recognition that they deserve and how can they explain expand their reach? How can they expand their platform to reach all these different type of customers? You know, there's so many amazing products out there and spoke with the vendors assisted the best way that we found it is that let's have a platform where we can have small businesses find all these different type of vending opportunities to expand their brands to show what they have to offer and that's why we really wanted a come together create a platform. Me and Jay just to get it out there and help all those businesses that are out wage. And we're all about Community. Number one. I just want to put that out there like my grandmother. My grandma was big in the community always looking out for people and I knew I was not going to be successful and we weren't going to be successful if we will learn about just ourselves. So I just want to put that out there. I'll our whole platform everything that we're trying to build is about community. And I think that's why we've made the success that we made thus far of a man. I love that and I also want to chime in and say I can appreciate J's tenacity and his willingness to jump into Brian's messenger Bots. Say, hey, I got questions for you. Hopefully you got any answers for me. You know, we got a lot of folks that are out here that got you know, we got the ego. We got a shame. We got all these things just feel that the filters would things that are blossoms right that that could block groups in front of us to be able to get to where we want right? We have this bishop. We don't necessarily know how to get it and then home How much is how much is message such a search, you know, then we start getting you know not going to do that. Cuz I don't want to look like I'm I'm something or whatever the case may be. So I just say manage who knows can you for forgetting outside of that and and living us to fear, you know to do that is pretty big and if you're a man beyond so you've had an attitude to get in his inbox, you know, we just say getting that inbox like that. I just gave you the right one man. That's brother. You'll see right there right now real talk back off Prime and me and Brian Smith talking last month. I probably learned so much this last month then I have and probably last year, you know, just him just log. Really getting married helping me out. And I think that's what's important man find the right person. So Brian is the right person to do that and not everybody can connect with you on that level right and not only that but the inside that you're looking for a used 3/4, he's going to give you the right assets and I'll tell you what you don't want to hear but he's going to really let me get the last month man who knows of him man. I'm going to feedback off that front. That's brother named see though. What what got you into this network man? I know you've been in it for a long time. Yeah, I come from a different angle. Right? So I've been doing 19 for over 20 years from working an IT project manager on through the IT director really understanding technology and really focus on Innovation. So I look at technology from a from a different space right. It's a project to me. You got to make sure you get this project completed make sure it works but what's different for me in the last year and have is really taking this project and complete this project and making a business out of it and that's kind of been a joke. I've been dealing with and working in healthcare. It's a little difficult, you know, the security is around that and then the design around all the used cars that we work with, you know, I can live in that space and I'm comfortable there right on Comfort around the development and those pieces that's on a space but when it came to really looking at that and creating a business out of it is where I kind of had the make a turn, you know, and really try to understand that peace and people like Brian's really helpful with that. So I come from a different angle. I see it. I think it's harder for you know people sometimes trying to get in technology don't understand it. If it is even harder try to explain technology to people when it's Innovative, right when things are innovative mean it's something that hasn't been done before church or trying to explain what a revenue model that business models coming out on something nobody's ever seen before and there's no history on it. So, you know, those are things that you know, I think all kind of work through you know, but I'm starting to learn kind of how to navigate that but I do coming from a brass technology background. So I do understand the technology side is just a business side for me that was trying to dance around little bit trying to understand that dead. Hello. Hello what you say? Oh, man. I love you. I'm I'm always behind Chris. I'm only I've only been an IT world for fifteen years. So once again got a leg up over me back up and I'll take that. I'm younger so well. Yeah, I've been in I've been in a space about fifteen years and I'm I'm a developer on the south. I was able to put put my ideas together was really just stemmed from being a dog parent and going to the dog park is getting so much information. But then one in the follow up with those people to remember what they told me and there was just no way to connect with them without having to go on Facebook and then I gotta see they voted for whoever then I don't want to be friends with them more but they just had to be a way to just connect box. And I try to be a smooth as possible and people it comes off a little raw like hey, I'm not here for an hour and I'm just here to connect and talk about dogs. So I do that just that just had to be a wait. It's remove all their biases and the these the the fear of connecting for the wrong reasons and really just make it use the dog as a vehicle to connect people and parking. It's just came and we've been we've been thriving ever since I love that. I love that Brian you seem to be that the tow package on Smart Brothers man. I'm going to say something that's conventional. I got into the tech World on accident. I didn't even anticipate going into technology. I set out to solve a While I was in college, I got 51 traffic tickets and spent a lot of time in court fighting those tickets. I haven't had an attorney who was a fraternity brother who get them dismissed or whatever, but he would make me come down to court with him. And so when that time I remember thinking like I don't want to be here like there has to be an easier way to do this. You know, I'm watching people file a file out constantly and consistently and at that time I put I put the idea on the Shelf. I graduate I graduated around 7, but the idea on the shelf and made a decision a 2015 to start another company to take it off and exhaust the idea and they'd have morphed at that time when I came up with it and 2006. It was just a website that I wanted to set a to let people get tickets through and connect them with an attorney that that'll go to court and fight them. But by the time we reached 2015 technology has evolved so much right and you know, I remember that. Thinking like, you know, I'm getting ready to go into this text base. I need to learn technology. So I actually took I think I was telling Chris. There's like I took I made a decision I said, I'm going to learn how to code them lasted for like seconds right I said right now this is right. But, you know, we ended up we ended up giving our business that was essentially a business-to-consumer platform around 2017 to a business-to-business platform to service the over-the-road truck driving market. And so like I tell people that I got into technology on accident. I literally just didn't want to go to court anymore and wanted to be able to send my tickets to somebody and have them deal with it. And you know, kick it on campus, right? Yeah, no doubt makes sense. It's out of necessity. I loved I loved it. I mean one so I want to bring to throw out some shout-outs lease ahead and rejoin his probably Riley joined us tearing off. Joined us Rebecca Gould. We also said she has a long time. I'm not going to post it up here but off for everybody to see but she does need some She Gotta idea should be some insight Tech idea. So guys, you know check that out if you can later and see if we can hardly sit try to figure that out. And then Michael Miller chapter. Well, Mike Miller's is he's pretty don't they said they'll catch so young boy leaned into his next question. But yeah, so I'm going to get your your opinion or your thoughts on a there's a little piece that I found. I just want to get your your your your take on it. It's very of a VC by the name of Monique Woodward. She's black Founders are often over mentor and underinvested me repeat that part blank Founders are often over mentor and under investing Woodward said during the event if you have the ability to write the chat, but you only offer mentorship off to Black fountains that is only helpful for your ego. What's your guys's thoughts on this you want to we can talk about? Oh, yeah, go ahead. Go play. Now. I was going to say it sounds like they're coming from the will give you a shot. And then you don't deserve the opportunity of give it of of getting money from me, but we'll give you a shot by mentoring you and seeing if you can use that advice to become successful and then we'll leverage that mentorship to get more Equity by giving and give you less money. That's what it sounds like to me. Yeah. Yeah what you're saying so long so that's kind of a thorn in my side. Right? Like I actually have a pet peeve around that because one I fundamentally believe that all the mentorship and advice is not created equal the same way. All investor dollars are not created equal and you'll have a lot of individuals that will say I'm an investor because they cashed out their 401k and they're reading chapter 4 of the latest book and what time View inside based off of that frame of reference right? I do believe that there is a fine line between necessary mentorship and capital acquisition right and wrong. Sometimes there is there is the necessity to understand where your gaps live because you're not always ready for investment Capital, right? But, you know with the right-to-life a mentorship you can get there. However, you know, again people want to give you advice based off of their limited frame of reference in some capacities. I do think that $5 or they're just not even a thought there's documentation in data around it that they see dollars are unequally shifted, you know from individuals of Color Race. And so that that is a very very known issue. But you know the whole the whole mentors like that that used to piss me off to no to know to no extent right people want to give you a job. Until you used to do this when they haven't done anything themselves and they have a couple of bucks that they want to throw at you. They just finished watching Shark Tank yesterday and everything. Right off and threw things are my thing is I look at a different. I say my mentors are my investors are two different Lanes. Now, I do have mentors. I do go to the device for I go to everything and then I do have my investors that give the advice but they two different things so I don't know about the situation they're asking but Thursday the VC Dodge are shifted like Brian say but I do say that when you start your business and you're doing your business, I think you should put people in different categories. And and that's why I think that's a long black business on the mix everybody together. Everybody can't be mixed together. You gotta understand that everybody has their part and everybody has their peace and that's what creates continued wage. Jump on with Jerry was saying is that with Rodney and I when the article came out we had so many people buzzing and pulling at us and we were trying to decipher what what advice was good and what advice wage right so then I kind of use business like like I would use growing up in my community, right? You're going to take all the advice what you just need to know. What's good. And what's bad what's going to put you in a position to succeed and what Ronnie and I caught ourselves was moving really fast, but then have everything in the road. So we had to go back to what we knew which was our sbdc account page which was salad. We had to go back to her. We had to go back and ask questions like hey, what do you think about that or if it's a text to to Brian or if it's a a holler at dad because I need to make sure that I'm going in Iraq or if it's Chris. Hey Chris, how do you feel about this as far as development things like that? So it's like Jerry said you gotta know where to put these people and what's good and what's bad advice, but you also can be afraid to show me. Ask to you trust like know whom to trust, you know, even when we got funded by digital sandbox. The first thing I did was contact Jared Jared was about to happen. Now, you know how long once they expect Jerry gave me gave me a part of advice and just listening hitting up contact and detection Brian. Hey, what what should I expect or how do you feel about contracts or stuff like this so that you can be going in but you also like I say everybody got a piece of advice to give you and when it comes to funding cuz that's the first thing you hear when your when your company gets funded is I need more funding right? I need more funds. I need more funny than you might be moving too fast, but I'll take I'll take any advice. I just need to know which way to go with it. But anybody want to give me some type of advice. I'll listen to it. Just if I'm a use it or not matters, Go ahead Chris. You got it. You did. I think sometimes you know when you chase me see dead. JC's accelerators of things. We probably sometimes lose track of the business. Right? So I think you really got to understand your business and integrity of your business. And what's your building and really stand that lane cuz sometimes you know, Jake dollars and taste investors will take you kind of housing project, you know where your business should be going, you know, and so it's really got you really got to know your business really study on your business and know where your Market is Now understand enough that when these dollars come back. His mentorship Kumasi that she can identify what's logical for you or not. And that's something that I kind of balance balance quite a bit. You know, there's some there's so many opportunities that come out to you, but you really have to understand your business to see what others are what really can be implementing your business. I'll say this my first round of investment that I got and I'll share this is was a group of doctors that invested in it and I think I showed her a couple of you guys but I didn't take the full investment that they wanted to give me. You know. I said, I'll just say of course into that because the goal for me was I knew down the line when I got for the the situation I am now, it's what we're looking to move in pylea implement it off. I would need them to Market and push it so in when when they invest in a part of that agreement for them was all right, Chris will help you push it to doctors. So I knew I could solidify that cuz I felt like when I got to the point where I'm ready to push it out, I wasn't sure that I'd be able to get those dollars. I get people that the partner with me. I felt like more than dollars a partnership made a lot more sense when it came for me to implement the product. So sometimes man some sort of investment to come at you as Investments, but you gotta see, you know Silverline of other opportunities that they can offer you cuz I didn't take half of the money they wanted to give me but it was more important for me that when this product got done we're getting ready to Pilot now, but they would be the first one to push it out that face wasn't necessarily like mine that could get it in places that I necessarily can go. Right. So a champion in stock. I needed to hear that employers about 12 months ago. I'm really thinking about what kind of person is to troll and you must have that for that fact that that person to fill that role or you I agree I've seen Philip says something you spend unique mentoring and unique checks. He said some awful pity minutes early as well. So that's the thing to would you think right? Well, I think you know, I was writing down some stuff to make sure I keep track on my thoughts. I think that one thing which is critical is you need to know what you want. Right and what you're trying to accomplish and that is a mistake that a lot of birth. Four doors mate and I'm not I'm not exempt from that. I you know, I learned hard early on as well. And you know when you know what you want you you become laser-focused own know that right and we talked to will go outside investors before we actually know what we want while we wanted and then when we don't get the dollars we're upset and we're like, all right, you know, it's something there, you know, there's a reason why they're not giving me those dollars and often times. It's because we're not clear about what we want. And so, you know, when I when I found the clarity I would always use kind of a that's a part strategy and I think I share this with a couple of you couple you guys if I was talking to an adviser or a mentor, I would always frame our conversation is and this is what I've done. This is what I'm doing. This is what I'm going to do, right and with every interaction that we had built upon that framework, right? So it's not a situation where I'm coming and talking to you about the same thing off. Day after day month after month. We got the week and if I have you know five advisors that I that that are worth anything because you know, some people aren't worth anything for like a better word a little nicer way to say that you know, when I talk to advisor number one, I'm using that formula. This is what I've done. This is this is what I'm doing. This is what I'm going to do and maybe there is a space in-between the time I talked from Bowser number one to advisor number two. And in that space I'm working on the feedback that I received from that person from their personal reaction. So when I talked to my second advisor, I'm using that in the same capacity right? Here's what I've done here is what I'm doing here is what I'm going to do. And so there's always a progression or a a path forward from that something that somebody Chef me early on which you know, I believe to be true to an extent is typically when you go and ask people for money they want to give you advice but when you go and ask people for Thursday, Bias, they try to throw dollars. Actually now, I don't know if it's because we got to a point where by the time I really needed advice. We were kind of flushed out and down the road and you know, we ironed off of the things that we needed to needed to do and then they say right well, how much are you looking to raise right? What are you needing? What are you going to use it for? Whatever comes muscle memory right? Because you've been doing that formula the entire time. Here's what I'm what I'm doing is what I'm going to do, right? And so it doesn't matter if that's strategy or that's dollars that are put in that place, right? If you go and ask somebody to write you a check for half a million dollars thousand or a million dollars or whatever the case maybe you better understand clearly and be able to articulate what you're going to do with that money and what you've done to that point, right? What is your plan for that? Because nobody wants to just throw money out at the Wynn on never to get it never never afford to never return. Yep. And and I say something that's true what you say about the advice because dog Hawkers another awesome brother in community told me she said this one your business and then the options are, and then when you do that just like you said once you go ask for advice, they said $2 because you know, your business is nothing know when can tell you there's and you can you know, change it and things like that. So when you put the work in, you know, you have your options and people come and the right people come around with one more thing before we before we get together just because I think it's critical to when you're when you're starting a business to someone who's never started a business before one of them a lower that you can get. One of the traps that you can fall into is this idea of I need to go out and raise Capital because I'm not successful unless I raise capital I started seeing these articles are distributed I'm saying all these people with their faces to Jace point, you know, the smile or whatever the case may be and the idea becomes, you know, if I'm going to start a burger stand I need to go out and yep. Venture dollars, right and there's this this misconception that's not really explained. Right? It's not really explained that you know, you don't have to go out and try to raise around as often as you form your LLC or your corporation, right? You need to get some distance between where you are and where you're trying to go so you can articulate what you're going to do with those dollars. Once you do receive them wage makes it it makes it I mean Rodney looks like you had some Which have been? I know just kind of like salmon with Brian was saying the last bit of part just kind of like chasing the dollars like having a burger stand, you know your formula. I'll see you know, you just want money to come, you know, just speaking from my form background just starting the business. There was no Venture Capital firm. It's you either, you know, you sell floors or your business will fold, you know is to eat or be eaten wage type situation. So just kind of go on to the technology route, you know, we sat down with a a few CEOs. One of them was a founder of a kiss-and-tell, and emerging, uh Tech platform and what she was telling us earlier in the week that she was saying make sure that you take your business and your business model and just try to generate revenue and that was the birth of my generate revenue. And once when you generate Revenue those dollars will come that mentorship would come just focus on your business focus on this soul of your business, how can you log Revenue and everything will you know follow right after that and so that's what one of the things that we've been learning, you know during this and I want to say Rodney Rodney in are Testament to that because we've heard that three times in a row it came from our counselor and it came from two other two other individuals who basically got bought out of their companies and because Ronnie and I were basically running around just being like, hey people are reaching out to us. We're going to try to get some more money and they were just like everybody was like pump your brakes pump your brakes you moving too fast, and and we're not exempt from being told to stop right because that's why we're are today because people are telling us when to go into and the stops are we trusted that advice and when Sally confirmed it for us that we would that we was moving too fast, and we need to get our brakes and think of another way. That's why we were like, okay, let's let's make sure we're working the business first cuz I remember him Chris Jones told me that we had a conversation and he said a lot of people would chase the dollars and not birth. A business and they need to run their business first before they start worrying about a dollar and that sits with me. That's why it's good to have great people around you because when I tell you I think about that every day we talked about the vineyard assistant don't chase the money work the business first. So it's just my two cents. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not going to do it. One last thing to think about like when you think about it from and running you made a very, you know profound point when you think about it from the side of the table of the investor, why should I give you a half a million dollars? If you can't even prove that somebody's going to pay for your your business right or your product or your service, right? I give you haven't proven that you are trying to start a business that your Market will, you know absorb or or purchase birth. What does it give you any money? Cuz I know once I give it is it's not coming back. You know, I will not sync over dollars again. And so I think that by putting a little bit of distance in between you start your company going out and acquiring that customer that first customer proven validating your your your business model your Market all of those things or are critical, you know, if we chase the we chased the yes, yes feels good. Right like we take let's say yeah, you're doing a good job, you know the awesome business, right? But what's uncomfortable is chasing the no life other things that we did early on was go out to the market and say shoot holes in this business model. Don't tell me why it's good. Give me three reasons why you would not use this right? What are three things that I'm missing and dead once you start to look at that and you can articulate that from all sides, like people are more receptive to having a conversation about money with because it shows that you've thought through your business. I love that. What was you going to say? Yeah, I'm right with I think my point is when I was talking to you about that was that at that point in time? I was kind of going through these pitch competition. You just picture yourself a notice find these different pitches. You want to have 10 Slice versus this description, whatever and you get out the business of it, right? And I think what I gotta do is step back, especially the health care where it's a little different, you know, so I really have to understand what was going on Healthcare world and where am I at was kind of traveling through there and I had to really understand the business it goes back to what I said before you have to know your business and then understand Integrity of it. And then I think at that point you could start off find out what the revenue model PC is cuz that's what I struggle with a lot doesn't be completely candid cuz my it has two pieces right? We have one assistant doctors off 160 patients and you know really defined a revenue model that business model suffer us really kind of understand that we knew how to develop it and do things that nobody was doing the first thing we did was put a pan around would be had but then really going into the market and understanding kind of how it lives in that market and how we can generate Revenue off. It has been a constant Chase trust like the last eight or nine months really understanding that and the reason why we didn't know that at first cuz we're chasing these competitions and trying to get the accelerated program and trying to shift and change a little bit odd, but sometimes maybe we weren't ready for those accelerated programs to sit back and really understand what that business was doing. Now. I'm I'm going to say something Brian said something earlier. I didn't say anything about it. But climbing in the Innovation is important. He mentioned I think a 2006 Windstar in 2015. It wasn't ready. I try to do some one in 2009 with the phone that wasn't even augmented reality that the phone wasn't ready to do it, you know, so I start off with something back in 2009 it didn't work but I think you know time is important too. So sometimes you put investment in in things and try to push things through when it's not the right time and you gotta really understand that you'll learn that I'm just looking at the market cuz you might have the right technology and everything in place, whatever and you get in some markets see it's not the right time and that might be something that's kind of datura see your your success as well. So that's why it's good to understand the business person off. You all that so man. This is phenomenal is a phenomenal conversation. And when I tell you like for the folks that are watching this is this is like a masterclass, right? This is a math class right now full of gyms and everything that you just don't hear on a normal basis and just a regular conversation with both. So I appreciate you guys being Candyman it being open. Yeah. Yeah with this and I want to mention too that you know, we don't have we don't have this is not a rental right? We don't have a rental space. We have to be paying for nobody's kicking us out of this conversation. Unless Facebook decides to just do something. I don't know but so I don't feel like you have to shortchange your copy of your your comment or or thought. So this is the open platform and let me let me say yep. In her quiet, cuz I'm not quite in the position that some of these fellows like I'm still only getting mentorship. I mean I have my business is surrounded by the Beloved dogs and community and every time I talk to someone about the idea, it's yeah, that's a great idea. You should do this and it's like, oh that's a great idea and that I I am built that into the plane of the business but it never leads to an investor talk our conversation even as as Christmas you'd even these these pictures that I chased. I'm not even winning those and it's just like how he's not winning and I'm talking about dogs. I mean, I lost a Chris cuz Chris is doing changing the world, but but it is is really hard for me because as you mention I'm funded and over mentored one hundred percent right now is because J-Dawg How many times he acquired Two Princes in trying to work for it too quiet how many seconds into the park but they didn't say about three times. We got it on the third tried not to not to 3, She's got a few pitches, but that's way different in technology. You know, it was it was a lot, you know, one thing about you know, when it comes to your artistic side, it flows a little bit better. Right but you don't have a development side of things have to be a little bit more studied and and time has to be really really put into it, you know, a lot of late nights a lot of early mornings a lot of arguments and a lot of people don't want to go through that. So yeah, it took me around me three times and there's something to put out there about sbdc Jan Quinton myself. We all had to take take Venture package which was another opportunity to help your Tech business and that was another step and in doing that, you know, some people like I said, some people might not be like, hey, that's too much. I don't need no money. I just want to start my business dead. I'll do something else. So just saying like, you know, it takes time and like I said, I'll always looked up the Quentin like when I heard this same thing here when I heard I was like dang it still going to be rich one day off that. I'm not going to lie still believe that to this day. I want to I want to I want to clarify something to I'm sorry on a picture side to there is there's value in pitches, even if you don't win whatever cuz at the end of the day the reason why we did not necessarily have may be some other the placeholders in the Venture Capital whether we want to is because we don't have the network, you know, and I think they don't ever discount the network. So sometimes you get these pitch competition off of that nature to build the network. I'm going to say I'll be honest I think some of these pitch competition more the most value got out with was being able to connect and build my network. So when I was ready Rock was just trying to build our business whatever so you're building those school kids when you are ready. You can reach out into your network and make those connections. I think those are important, you know at the same time is that we have to look at as we build our business and home. Successful business, you gotta have a network the back it and a lot of us come from a background. We don't necessarily have that network. No alcohol. We don't have it. Right we didn't grow up in that Network. So we gotta get embedded in network and sometimes the competition people sick makes you available for those networks too. So I want to say that she was that you want to be able to build that Network. Anyway, you can so sometimes not chasing dollars for me. Sometimes really is a bill that Network who can I talk to and to break point. I lose going to tell me this is wrong who's going to tell me that it's not going to work. I look for that for a long time. Cuz what we're doing was kind of different and I was like, well, let's see if if I can challenge this right we want to build this. Let's see if something can come back and say this doesn't make sense. Never heard that in the last year and half have been doing it. I haven't heard a lot of questions, but what if but what if but nobody is telling me that makes sense, you know at the same at the end of that so you can get a lot of those those competitions networking and stuff. It is important, but I think you gotta put out you gotta balance it out. I know like like like disappointed digital sandbox. We were told, you know three times and we just applied to a pitch competition and we were two words know we're said that you know, it was too too early to do something. You know, when I look at it, especially just being in sales, you know, you might have to get through a million knows to get the one. Yes, you know, I love sports and you know, what I take from Sports is that if you can hit a baseball 30% of the time you're a Hall of Famer, if you can make a three point shot 40% of the time, you know, you're just as good as dead Curry, if you you know, if you you know, if you have a completion percentage and football 60% over sixty percent, you know, you're just as good as Patrick Mahomes so and and even in the same as part is that if you have a 10% Market penetration, which is very rare, but if you get 10% that means 90% of people even never heard of you or they're just telling you off. I don't know but once when you get that one, yes, then that's going to make all the difference in the world. And there's that's why here vendors assist and we're just going to be focusing on worst client number one two, and three and just build off of that and then those pitch competitions and raising money will just come later next question really quick. You said you got my last one last piece on this and they will push forward what you think I was I was going to ask these guys just for a little bit advice. So once you get to a phase of Now, where's your you have your business straight and you're ready to start generating Revenue, but to get to that point of generating Revenue, you need the development or you need something to plug in to start that Revenue generation to make it attractive. I should say. That's a great question. I've got a question though. I mean if you can't answer something to start thinking about wage if you're at a revenue-generating phased, what was the the last finishing piece that got you there where you were able to generate Revenue which is going to attract your average investors well off for your business doing the business and Trust in the process and it comes with it. That's how I really do believe if you really do your business and really like you couldn't hear you have many jobs including relationship go deep pocket bars just to do we find out who has Wi-Fi and who has a cold great cuz we going to sit there and 1:00 and if the boss and so inspired work went down Quinn's like it couldn't tumble right up when without investment dollars. He's in every, you know, dumb apart, you know all part and that's that's because he trusted the phone number. He's allowed, you know him to do the work yet. He doesn't have the dollar but he has mentorship. He has the you know, people putting them in those places, you know, but you know, like you said the investment dollars you do need to go to that next level, you know, if like the article say it is kind of hard for us to get the investment dollars if we really taught them. So so so Clinton without without giving you like blanket like shut down completely understand your business and understand the inner workings of it. I think it would be crazy for me to tell you here's how you go out and generate Revenue, right? I can give you an example a real example of someone in Kansas City and I think it depends on the business obviously, right, you know, because different businesses have if you have started in my dog, and I apologize the different businesses have different options to it, right but there is an entrepreneur in Kansas City that had a massive exit right and I remember talking to him. We had a conversation over over a beer cuz I was trying to think through you know this month. Doesn't what this looks like when I was in that stage of trying to figure out how to generate Revenue. He told me that he had an issue raising capital. And so what he did to generate the first part of his inflection of funds, he got it from his customers and he basically put his entire business on a PowerPoint right and said here's how this is going to work. You know wage is what we're setting out to do X Y and Z because what he found was, you know, it's hard and it's it's very costly to change mechanisms in your technology and then your business right, but you can modify a PowerPoint right? So what he said was he would get in front of these individuals and once he would get buy-in he would get a letter of commitment from them and then asked for a deposit and within the office and he would say, can you give me a six-month window to fulfill the order right? And so so if he captured fifty Grand from a customer they gave him a particular a specific period of time Wish to fulfill that order he would start to use that Capital to inject in his business and build it out for that particular customer using their dollars what he was able to do from that standpoint is once he spoke to get injections from customers to build out his technology using their dollars. He was able he was more, you know, he became more attractive as it related to investors right choice because he's proven that you know, people will pay for his business right? Maybe he didn't have it completely built out yet, you know, it didn't function the exact way that he wanted it to function, you know, he had a long-term goal and vision of what that should look like, but he was able to determine what it was he can do today to start generating capital for his company. And so I think there are Opportunities to think creatively about how to jump start that process got you push on to this next month this next question and I think I got it yet. We see the major rules and social media in different widespread and apps but none seem to be black two-part question. It's only take platform important and why and why not? We're talking talking ownership here big platform ownership. What's your thoughts on that? I can I can take that one. I mean as with Paul connects where we're going as we want to be a platform that has economic development for people who have found their life skills in the in the pet industry. So your your next-door neighbor who's a groomer or Walker? They probably can't afford the marketing dollars that Wags or Rover can afford through Paul condemned. We have a will have a low low yearly fee where they don't advertise the same way you would do with on on Instagram. You're advertising by your connections. So if I'm I'm looking for a groomer and your clients are part of my parking the park and X-Pac meaning ten other people that I trust trust you. I'm going to select you as my as my Walker and then I'll also see how many total Paul connects users that you that you walk. So therefore if you if you walk a hundred dogs, and all of them are on Paul connects, I can see that you walk a hundred dogs there for your reputation as good job. And basically what that platform is doing, it's allowing me to provide a service for a fee. But with it, let's say $30 a year. They're going to make that back by having less less marketing dollars and having almost a direct exposure to their their Target customers dog parents. No moral Instagram where you're advertising to a plethora of users on Paul connects you with a dog service provider. You're only advertising to dog owners. So that that platform is just a a generator for wealth for everybody not just for myself off. Of course. Here's what your favorite You know as far as formats, right what our focus is is allowing, you know users to get all their medical records in one location one spot. That's what we started out as right the to give you this this dog by a quarter we can call your medical records share those and take them navigate for you and your loved ones but we're starting to happen when you look at that not only do we have access to you have access to your medical records, but we also are able to see that way we can see changes in Labs. Like if you have a change from one appointment to next point when I change and lab have happens you would like to be alerted that whatever we have information so we can now alert you and say hey we noticed your last life blood sugar was raised a lower whatever and like I say, hey, would you like to talk to somebody we could send you diabetic information from that? Right? But those are technologies that we necessarily don't want to build but we would like to see other technology a gate into that package deal for that. But we do have those pieces now because we built out this platform that allows the patience to have a medical records is where it started. It also allows us to do a lot more with the technology now cuz you only look at maybe a month. Records and you once or twice every quarter and maybe your kids maybe three or four times but we were looking at what was a better use case for this Beyond just having medical records and he started to see that opportunity. Now former mayors insurance now to be alerted and know when these changes happen right in front of more now we can let the doctor. So we're sharing information with our doctors. So now on your blood sugars changed from a different doctor your primary care. Can be alert, you know stuff of that nature and you start to build AI Tools around that or you can build so we're now the doctor when you're going to doctor's office now now they have all your medical records and you see changes over 6 months. Can say, hey, we kind of noticed that this young couple of changes in your blood sugar. Maybe we need to look at talk of talk to you about something else, you know, so those are things that we're seeing in our platform that we just start out to do but became just open platform to a lot more on top of that too and allowed technology integrate with it. You know, we just a conduit maybe four more type help to help Healthcare tag applications. So it's a platform now that we look at that will be beyond that just things I suppose. In development and we'll in healthcare here there. There's a lot of you know mishaps in this, you know, as like Founders in technology having, you know developers around I think I want to do something kind of help with that too. Cuz I do understand that space. That's something that I learned a little bit too. But as far as just my technology and works heading now, hopefully the next three or four months if you're open platforms where we can build knowledge integrate with and it doesn't have to just be you know Healthcare ticket. So so that's a good a good point. And I also want to talk to a point out. What am I think it was was it Lisa? Yeah, Lisa had that great idea. So like we got a lot of people that have these like really great ideas as it relates to technology package the opportunity are access to see something like that through is very low. So I had this conversation with somebody was talking about real estate vs. Edge. Tech entrepreneurship right and kind of low-hanging fruit, right and I'm just kind of throwing it out there and this is just in my purview so I can totally wrong I could be all but from my perspective it looks like a lot of folks. A lot of people of color are really jumping in real estate or been in a realistic real estate is kind of like almost like a low-hanging fruit and we don't see the same thing in life. And I I think a lot of it is about obviously about access right? So how do we get to that point and like kind of plan off of Iraq question about importance of ownership in in Black Tech platforms and things like that how we make these things happen Jared like what's your thoughts on that? Like, how do you become a thorn you where does that come from? You know, you got your mute being a determination two wheel. That's how sweet going to say the word to him. But what I was saying is I will say like you said it's just so be able to do it. I won't say always say man. My uncle created Redbox before red box was created. He just did have quit my uncle was there selling at a gas station selling bootlegs what else but then all of a sudden they put the machine in front of gas station about access, but what I would say is man hey, this is this is good choice. We focus our router programmes that actually matter like Porter House, you know, and looking and looking into those trusted reviews to look into the people in the community to forget you to that level and you know, that's what I really believed. No, we're taking in an internship and then advise, you know, so and someone has been there before, you know, that's what it's about and actually going on that limb. You have to go on the limb, you know, that's part of life. It's not just ideal taking it ideal and taking it to you know creation. So what you're saying, I think today answer answer your question directly. We have to offer remove the misconception that we have to completely understand Tech to get into technology. Right and I think that you know, we can be a real estate because it's like all right, that's something I can get. I can understand, you know, I can take a couple of classes and you know understand real estate, right and we think about technology and we think oh, you know, I don't know how to do I wasn't a computer science major. I don't know code. I don't know how to develop how am I going to start a technology company and I think that is a common misconception at home. It's just very very valid. It's a very valid thought but the reality of it is you don't have to understand technology. Right? Like you have to understand how to put people in the right places and get out of their way and let them execute right you have to have the vision of what you want to do and what you want that company to look like and be able to go out and Source the individual who can help you achieve that goal. You know, I think I think that's the critical component and if we can if we can break the barrier or practical lid on that to understand, you know that it's not long as super complicated as people want to make it out to be and it's not this Mystique that we believe it is right. It's really somebody having an idea and finding the people in the pieces to put together to make it make it work and I love that. You gotta know what I was going to say is that I myself got into two industries where a lot not showing me the people look like me and and I first went to the comic book industry when I first created the Scarlet Knight. No one looked like me. It's most of these, Khan's maybe one or two people and you go into somebody spaces and you you I mean it's natural for you to have that insecurity. Like what the heck am I doing wrong? What am I doing? But what am I doing here? Like is this going to be something that everyone's going to use and then like I say referencing back to Brian and Chris, it wasn't until I seen a article when he was happy. All right there and I was like, okay, I need to get a little bit more information from Brian and then I need to holler at Chris about technology to see if this is something that I can do or something that might work for me because I saw a need I saw a problem that I knew I could solve because I I've experienced it firsthand same thing in the comic book industry. I saw Annie wage. Type of stories that I wanted to put out there and I knew I was only person that can provide it and I knew if I didn't get to a quick enough someone was going to beat me to the punch and then I was going to be stopping, you know, shoot myself in the foot so it would just suck stays where it did make me feel a little bit more confident when I started seeing cats like Brian and they start talking to Chris to see that I needed to be there but you need to have I'm just going to be honest. You should be some type of representation of it in any capacity to make you feel like okay. This is for me cuz I'm going to be honest. I always talk about this. My son plays ice hockey. I'm going to say that one more time myself life is hard, but it wasn't until he saw PK Subban who had this rock and roll mentality. It was a black dude that played in the NHL to where he said. Okay, let's do this month. So we have to understand that representation does matter because to be honest you when it comes to tech companies if you watching HGTV and they do say I'm a tech entrepreneur and you looking like that do go off. By me. Yeah, and they bought a million dollar house. You were like that do don't look like me you don't talk with me cuz I got a little twang to my voice. I'm being honest. I understand faith in you know from Inner City, Kansas City. So representation does matter bro, and I want to push that the most until you representation matters. Yeah. Let me say something else. I want system to just from a technology perspective, you know, just a software lifecycle. It's like the idea is like the design and then you put the connectors in place and the development goes in place and then it erases of that developed. So if you just kind of go through that right the idea that you have a lot of people I'm going to check cuz I don't feel like they can build it. But Brian said some key points man, he said earlier and he kind of he said it again. So he goes into the software life cycle them is an idea. Then this design design can be a power point or some of that nature, you know, there's ux UI you've experienced and user interface pieces that kind of ties in it. And that's just a second phase of software life cycle, but birth Told you with this is that in a second phase you could sell it a PowerPoint, right? You can sell that idea and pre-sale that idea. There's a possibility to do that you then on that, you know, you can start moving ahead to the development side job too. But you can kind of sell that idea once you understand the design and then lay it out and connect the dots and that could be done real quick through some UI ux and stuff. That's out there on online that's cheap to do for the thing is have the idea and not be afraid to get into it right A lot of times. I think people see the technology especially us. We don't know technology who are scared to get into it, but just go to that software lifecycle its design faith and that design faith is a lot of tools that will allow you to do some of those designs. If it makes sense, then you can go pick it out and test it in the market from a design and I think when it's not as super complicated technology piece, there's opportunities their life and Brian made some good points. That's the first thing that I met Brian we talked about the first thing you told me about my product. He said Chris you could sell it at this point of this stage with nine quite listing all the way Brian, but you know God We're still talking but you know, you know, but but those are things that I think you know people need to know so if you're afraid to go and Technology, you don't have to know the full scope of the software lifecycle to be developers. There's a million developers out and they're all pretty good. You can get them pretty cheap. That's their you gotta understand what your idea idea. Yes, and then design the darn thing and then go to Mark 100% just just to piggyback on that wage Market validation can occur in that second stage, right like imagine building out a product going all the way through that life cycle to get to the end and understand and realize that you've developed a product. No one will buy or or give you money right like no one wants to use it. It doesn't do the things that they need them to do, right you built this entire product in business home based off of a set of assumptions that you didn't validate right? And so it's important to get in front of somebody get in front of customers get in front of potential customers and say would you buy this right you paid off? As you know, if you would what what would you pay for? What does it mean to do in order for you to write me a check? Right and be comfortable having money conversations because you can you can wait you can burn a lot of capital and a lot of very important time building out an entire business that no one will use at the very end. Yeah. Yeah, trying to light piggybacking off of what Jay said that representation of matters because you know, like you're saying making the the economy between, you know, real estate and Tech, you know, there's a lot of people that we could consider leaders within our communities that are part of like real estate. You know, I'm thinking of like DJ in the Morris. There's a lot of people that we can look at and say wow, they built this real estate Empire, but when we go to technology, there's not a lot of people that will necessarily look at us and you know, there's just so many examples out there living breathing Testaments of like who are in, Texas, Told you that look like us. I'm for example, David Stewart. Not a lot of people know who David stour is but he is a billionaire African-American Own World Wide Technology. His company is valued at like eleven billion dollars out of st. Louis and there's not a lot of people that know him. There's people like Don Dickerson who raised over a million dollars in crowdfunding within our application. So I think it kind of deals with a little bit of about imposter syndrome and we actually be in this field in which we can be in this month's bill. You know, I look at people like Elon Elon Musk and the good there's a lot of good things. There's a lot of bad things about him. But one of the things that I like about him is that he was like, I know nothing about cars. Well, yeah, it's one of the biggest car companies in the world emerging he didn't know anything about making our flying planes or sorry Rockets. So what do you do he built off? SpaceX so we can find people even though we may not know how to do it directly. We can always hire people to do it. You know, me and Jay are non Tech Founders off, but we've sat with and talk to a lot of people who can develop our idea and then that's what you need you need an idea and then you need the mentor. How can we Foster this idea of that actual business? And again, everything will follow each other will find the people who can do it for you who may not know where you personally don't know how to do it. I want to say one more thing. I know that I'm cracking jokes about, you know, Brian picture and stuff like that, but we all have taken we all have taken those type of pictures and those mean everything to somebody right now and we don't even know we've never met them right now. It's a little kid right now that's looking at quinton's picture at the dog park looking at Jerry's picture against the wall looking at Christmas pictures looking at my picture and they're saying okay I can do this. So and then I even bought I even think about what her stood said to me one time. We said bro, your someone stand lead and when he said that to me, he said you're a little black kid Stanley and I was kind of and kind of paused for a minute. He was like so you mad bro like you matter and we matter. So like I said, I know I'm not cracking jokes because that's that's my nervous. That's what I'm nervous but I'm really sad that it does matter because he the key off me to be honest. He was the key of someone that he never even knew existed and now here I am talking to other people trying to get those same keys. So, you know, and that's part of the reason why we want to Thursday because we do that there's a lot more stories to be told and not that obviously, you know, we got a small platform but at the same time we wanted to make sure that the people that follow up our movement and what square one is doing. It's all about accessibility, right? I think Riley said that earlier I mean said that about being able to see those folks and price at the same time. Being able to see you know, you can believe it if you see it, right and so we wanted to put this cuz there's a whole bunch of jargon. There's a whole bunch of techtalk and things like that at least conversation and some people can get intimidated by that but the more you listen and the more that it becomes a reality to the more important it becomes you just really started to try to what it actually being said was being her and who it's coming from right, but I wanted to add more than what her thoughts were on it. I know Morgan is it's kind of quiet and absorbing, you know the whole conversation, but which the God I feel like this is good. I've been to enough money to do this city long with this is what I am here for weekend golfing in Egypt subject for those entrepreneurship Summit with coffin birth. Eden Foundation whose entrepreneurship and made it as like this way less than one person in investment. Where's founder of these black guys do this? And if we don't acknowledge in that then you have no cultural changes. So when I look around in a circle and I hear he's amazing suggestions problems in their lives. And I'm loving it in at the same time. I think this system out of my head. Because that's interesting means that I think the solution is. And that's why we asked about matters that we decided we searched a medium wage. They were black who are investors are going to be great investors are terrible money. So that's in we or someone like you. in that offer breakfast it's not only thirty-five ready to go within that time comes because that's except money going to be complete this so we can change it into the the second thing I have for you talk about the person and that's the female Founders the crack the code on how it is a perfect cross it off, but we were fifty 1% of the population and you'll like it was that if she this is literally products. That's that's that is that is Claire and she said she got she got a market that better. That sounds like it sounds like a heck of an idea of an idea, right? I do want to add one thing. One thing that that I think a lot of people that are watching. They they feel they see each of us and I mean except for Jaylin riding they see each of us in a picture solo and they don't see what's going on in the background and I think when it comes to Black Tech Founders, if if you're going to build something you you won't have every skill. So but then you don't know who to trust is that's going to add in the same value as you who's going to be dead. Like Jared up up to 3 a.m. And working a second job to match your effort. And that that's one thing that I struggle with. I'm I'm great at the development. I'm great at the office. I'm getting better at the marketing right now. What I need help with is understanding the financial flow of it the CFO essentially, but who can I bring into the company at this point the 8th? Can I get it for free or is willing to trade Equity but is willing to work just as hard as me for that equity and you know that that's that's been a a huge trust factor for me home and my wife she had a great question. What protections are in place for you while you're ideas are still in the building and anybody being answered right? I jump in on Thursday. I I the first thing I did before I even came out was work on the panel. That's the first thing I did. I mean it cost to do that whatever but you know, that's the first thing that I jumped on is is and it and it was dead. A provisional patent so it can be changed whatever but that's the first thing I did going into it cuz I know it was health care. I knew it was going on and I had some idea on what was in the health care Market. That's the first thing I did it's hard to patent software, but we didn't we weren't sure that wasn't get completely pad and we want to at least put people at Bay while we work on this idea, you know and next thing that we did was really we went to Microsoft we went to the place is not available now, so we talked to the top developer in the world and Healthcare whatever and so it was doing and what was projected where Healthcare was going. So at least we will understand we didn't want to be caught off guard. So even when we ran into each other a lot of these comments and stuff of that nature we ran into these rooms is that we knew more about the healthcare space development in the people in the room than even if they were in health care cuz we did our homework ahead of time but that goes in again I'm saying before is that sometimes you gotta go into space expected expecting not to be you know expected for you not to be represented. Well, so you gotta know when you go into a room with wage. You know what, you know, and we did that far as I was the first thing we did. So if you talked to me about technology and where it's headed, whatever I can tell you back and force that piece work and where we stand with that technology. The next thing I was kind of understand how to do the business part of it. But I think the protections is not we did a pattern which everybody would think is the biggest thing to do. But the most important thing to do was really understand our product and where it was headed more than females. That's the only way to beat it. So I'll say something that you know, Echo Christmas point that a lot of people don't tell you right and then I was I was naive in the beginning I was thinking. All right, I gotta get a patent, right cuz you starting a business nothing. You know, you're like, all right. We're step one. I need to go get a patent get a patent on what I don't know what that's what people say wrong with the you know with the with the exception of Chris. Chris has a Chris has a patent for very very specific reasons and you know, it's necessary. What doing but more a lot of companies man like it is it's it's it's a marketing tool right like you could say. Oh I'm patent-pending sophisticated investors will understand that patents not going to get approved. Right and that's just something that you're saying, unsophisticated investors are like, oh he has a patent-pending right? Well, what does that mean? You know, like I have a patent pending on the process of this chair right like the lake fishing. In this way, and I'm the only person that has Linux that facing in this way Riley some of those things just aren't necessary and they're they're they're they're a waste of dollars man. And I remember again. I was one of those individuals as well like, you know, but I was also naive enough to understand that I they're a bunch of things. I don't know right and I need to be open to feedback that people are given month. And so you have the dynamic where people are afraid to talk about their business, right? It's like I don't want to talk about it because I'm afraid somebody's going to steal my idea and you know, I don't have a patent on a software process or whatever the case may be not want to talk about it inside get a patent. Well, the parts reality is ideas are very very cheap and execution is really what's worship God and so can you execute on that idea enough to figure out what you need to do? Right? Like what are the things? What are the protection measures that you need to put in place now, there are things that you had Should you should form a business you should decide rather. It's an LLC or Corporation figure out what structure makes the most sense for you all but in terms of again thinking about this the massive Mountain that you have to climb before you do anything like that's not ultimately the reality for a lot of people right? I've seen people waste a ton of money right on patent attorneys. And listen. I have a network of an I've built my entire business off of attorneys and I really don't like them that much there are a couple of me but you know, they were necessary for my business, right but there are these attorneys that will take your dollars right and say yeah, we're going to put a pattern on this and we're going to file the provision and yada yada yada and they understand that it's not going to get approved. So they'll manipulate that patent say maybe if we do it this way or we put a patent around this process or whatever the case may be it can get approved with the understanding that that's not going to do 6 shoes off. That's not going to do a thing for your business and moving and forth. Right what needs to happen? What you need to do is figure out what you have your hands on and is it worth? Is it worth moving forward in the capacity that you have it and if there's not modify it shifted pivot figure out what your Market needs delivered that right and then figure everything out from behind the same but I used to paint you should form a company you should have equal structure and paid in place, but talk to somebody who understands what that role looks like. Not somebody who's not giving you advice based off of Chapter 3 of the latest book to read. Yeah. Nobody cares about your idea until you start making money something when I was in tech Ventures, is when I was taking Tech Venture, that was the first thing that came out my mouth when we were in there were all these other entrepreneurs I said, well do we need an NDA and I remember Jerry looking at me and say well bro that ain't you dead. Okay games like man, they can take your idea but they ain't you and I just remember I remember looking Jazz praise. First of all, like don't correct me in front of all these people like that but they're too old just understanding that he was spending some real he was spending Real Talk. He was saying roll like at the end of the day if they wanted they can take it but it sure idea comes from you. All your passion is rolled into it and it is what it is at this point. But to be honest, we also with Rodney and we from we're talking to developers and stuff like that. We do ask about the Indy a like are you willing to sign an NDA and one thing I like about Rodney and thighs relationship is my background is a little different than right now grew up a little different. So I listen to how people talk and I look at their mannerisms a little bit different than riding looks at them. Cuz Ronnie Rodney's boss serving you guys question, but sometimes I'm just observed like hey when we go into this meeting you do what you gotta do and I'm watching them. He's a little bit nicer than me. He says well, bro. I'll tell you like no, we're not dead. Yeah, I see something. I don't like and let's go because when you're in business, you gotta trust your gut, you gotta trust your gut like everyone's in this business because in any type of business cuz they trust their gut wage, but I'm always like that but I also am aware of the background I grew up and sometimes I just know some everybody that shake your hand ain't your friend. Yeah and and everybody everybody that may approach you and some odd situation may not be there genuinely. So you just gotta also know that well, like I said handle your business if you can't get an NDA, but then like I said when Jerry told me they're like bro, they ain't you you no matter how long the passion behind it do it. And if they going to take that they going to do it but you're going to be the person that completed so I always think about that because I know I know we said that we don't have a time limit but I am going to respect I am going to respect everybody's time where we could go all night with this masterclass, but I appreciate you guys and like I said, And just being candid and open I understand why I'm just saying way me and survive. We we are different brand different. I don't trust nobody. Well. I tried a couple quick as I could understand but I want to get kind of some closing thoughts when you guys again. I appreciate you guys hear the inside might have to do a part two of this month because this was various. I know a lot of our viewers a lot of a lot of inside information from you guys. So let's go around do a couple of thoughts and and and yeah, we got a golf Lima see if we can do this again, but you know the factors. Yep. Sections that we do I want to make sure of people just and places and in ship like in schools and just be like, hey, this could be what you could do you do in this one out for me as strongly as in John Edwards you want this be like you could fax this so thank you for coming on here. And Sherry. What does I wish that? We were we were able to set you all would assist. You know, you wait until the 16 is almost dead invested 3% said if we had time in the day. It's supposed to talk about what it means to be living and being creative at the same time as to be the security. So they so much for spending this time with us going to say. Hey, how's everyone in home to start asking for? Yeah, we have Twitter and ask why we're not funding black service at a rate that we are off. Justin Haskins everyone. Absolutely back in Morgan James robins nests. You're right there off and promise. I'll don't have to you. Yeah, you know, I think one thing that like two things that stick in mind to me is one closed mouths don't get fed. You know, if you have a question, you don't know how to do something reach out to somebody, you know, we kind of talked about how J was you know sliding in Brian's DM's and that's fine, you know everything off. You know virtually accessable, you know, everybody has a DMS everybody has an email, you know, and it's never be afraid to reach out to those people in the second boss is don't be, you know, discouraged by someone telling you know, you know, I think that's the biggest one, you know, rather if it's a pitch competition that you didn't win or didn't make it into a nice if you know the AC is not going to fund you or you know, somebody just doesn't want to be your customer just keep knocking down doors and I promise you that somebody's going to answer it and give you the answer that took a year. I just want to say representation. I continue to say representation matters, bro. All these articles that are on all these brothers here in this group. They matter because like I said, we're someone's home if you'll I must right now, you know, it's a little black hair that goes to Martin Luther King Elementary looking at us right now and like I said from day one the sky's the limit and if I can tell you anybody shouldn't be off. Here everybody. It takes a village to raise a child until the that's the reason why I'm here today. It was different people in my life coaches counselor. Social workers who all put little gyms in me. The reason why I'm home. I turned the comic book business and to a tech business in three years. I would have never in a million years thought that whatever happened in my life, but every day I was asking questions. I'm a student at a game and and I learned it always listen to your oh gee, that's what my uncle always just tell me always listed. Oh jeez. Ask questions. I asked Brian. I asked Chris. I contact Dan Sharon and sometimes on quitting when I hit quit now, I was like bro. It's important for you to be here because even today I look at his business and I get motivated so and I just think like I said representation matters bro, and I'm and I am definitely happy to be here definitely had to have known these brothers here and they're definitely everyone here even mortgage it all apart growth in and like I said ten toes down every day keep pushing dead. Jerry would you say TJ. So one thing I will say just like they say closed mouths. Don't get fed, man. You gotta reach out. You gotta way to let people all your team. There's no I in team. I know you wanted that way, but it's not that way. Everybody had a second thing is being consistent and running your business page. You're going to get the knows you're going to get Auto just be consistent persevere through and you know do your thing and then the third thing is man the way we get the PC dollars and the way we get technology built assuage youth man. I really believe you and and we accomplish he is doing a part man. We can build these after we don't have to ask for VC. We don't have to ask for anything like that. If we get these instead of other language school, we get quoted in school. It will make a whole big a difference but they don't have coding Alpha. I'm from st. Louis. They don't know one even thinks about coding in Saint Louis. So for me, you know, and you know a name You've called racism for everything we do you you know, we'll get those dollars and things so in those ideals out there so shout out to Tammy. Yeah, and we go case the audience is over there quickly. I'll make it short and just so you know, if someone said it takes it takes an absolute Village to to be an entrepreneur. You can be the face of it since it's your idea if you want to see that face, but I keep in mind that you you will unless you can do it all less. You're a developer marketer finance and then a CEO on top of that chances are you won't be able to do all that and be a person but it takes a village so be open to talking with people about your idea and be open to accepting help and splitting the business if you have to maybe not in half but being able to give up something so someone else has some ownership in it as well. So I appreciate that Chris Jones might be that that anomaly I'm just saying that can do it all. You know, I try to keep him in a set off. So my my thing today is just really been around Clarity. I think that dead One you can't get a Target that you can't see right and along your entrepreneurial Journey. You will have several different targets, but it's important to have Clarity Iraq and understanding that allows you to know what you want. Like, what is it that you want? This is a conversation that I have with with Chris a couple of weeks ago. It's like what do you want your business to look like wage grows up. You know, what do you want? And until you decide what you want what the Finish Line looks like what the end of the road looks like you will continue to play with this thing, right? So deciding what you want and put in your sights on that Target or critical everything else in between. That is the fun Journey that takes place. Great. Where is Chris what you think I just think man first shout out to everybody on the panel is how to everybody that's kind of listening up. This has been a a good time. I was rushing to get on this page, you know, but I really appreciate this time and opportunity but I just think you know, my dad used to say something all the time, you know growing up. He said documentation fee conversation. I think you know, we have a lot of talk about what we want to do and how we wash move, you know, but you know show, you know, you don't get out there and do it and I think that goes back to if anything I can say is that if you have an idea don't be afraid to start on it right or ask question to move on, you know, and then it goes wage to that that the software lifecycle man. The design phase is part two of that and there's a lot that can be done there and it doesn't take a technical person to do that. So if you have idea get to that design phase filled out and then you can walk through reservation with you know, other people that's in technology and really tell them what you want to do and and and find those Partnerships too cuz I think a lot of times men the network means everything but it's hard to build a network when you don't have any clarity as a brown. Say around and bring the right people in and then at that point you swallowed up, right you get your squad and you go to war, you know, and that's just kind of the next phase of it, but you don't have to be a hardcore Tech fund or anybody out there that wants to get into long as you want to deal. You just gotta have an idea and just find somebody to design it out for them to Europe. So man. I love Tech me and I'm proud that's all came on this show off like in high school. I actually was a president National National Society of black engineers at Lincoln College Prep. I actually started the chapter and Lincoln me along. So when technology always always terrified computers and put it together, but I didn't go that route. I actually went to electrical engineering College too, but I didn't go that route because I I saw something else in my in my future but longest most story short. I Just Want to Thank You brothers from coming on and show man, and I like to thank just thought For coming on the show man. It was a blessing talking to you and we got a good part too because I feel that Hurston wasn't on the show. And I know he wanted to ask you all some questions Man and Dead. No, absolutely. We have space for two more we had so when we when we do a part 2 it is we got space for two more you see these ones. So I'm just saying it's like all call off DM. You didn't get it surprised him if you like like like when was in trying to use voice recognized enough man, I really do thank you for that. Out to digital sandbox cuz I will get caught off the carpet by Rebecca. If I don't know if you have a tech idea go apply. You never know who you'll see when you walk in that room off. I got to shut up your pitch rally to not only because the networks that we connect not the money that was raised but the connection and networks that allowed us to connect to Bose micro. So really quick to close it out. I'm going to do another shout out soon. Kcsourcelink and the global entrepreneurship week birth sign up. So now I don't know if I was clear in the beginning but signups are for individuals that are interested in hosting a second but has something to do with being creative or entrepreneurship decompression. I mean, there's all kind of things that you can do when talking technology so individuals that want to continue conversations like this or have paddles like this or host things like if they can do that in during Global entrepreneurship week, so go to or excuse me. Org and sign up and put your proposals in there and all that good stuff. And then also we wanted to remind them. Yeah, we're doing a mentor and mentee where we got a mentorship program the porterhouse Casey along with square ones and services go to the courthouse Casey, It's the top right off. If you're interested in being a mentor or a mentee. There's two forms that are separate in there. So fill out those forms submitted will get a we appreciate it before you close one more thing how easily reach you guys you guys your question. You can find you can find Rodney in the vendors assistant on Instagram and Facebook. My separate Instagram and Facebook is Daquan underscore t h a underscore if you want to hop in my DMs and ask any questions, I'm here to answer anything. You want to know about running a business running, we'll business just to just I mean shoot the, you know, shoot the shit anything you need to do anything you need from me and then I'm here like I said if p.m. Answered the call when I when I called so it's on the right that I answered. Yep, you can find us again at a vendor sister on Instagram or Facebook or you can personally email me at a RT Mac 1202 at gmail.com. Love to respond. Like anybody that has a questions for ranging from from a Tech Two floors. My name is Jenna Thornhill. You can find me on Facebook LinkedIn. You can find my cell phone store have a cell phone store. I fix cell phones 4611 Saint John the evening. I do that point of Technology too. But you also can find me at the Gorge app Instagram Facebook link There and Everywhere so and at your local restaurant you put in school put the stickers everywhere, correct? You can find me in the App Store under Paul connects go and download that and then sends the contact directly to me and I will reach out to you myself to tell you thank you for you or my Instagram Instagram handle Paul connects on everything else and my son. Is telling me is time to go. Yeah. Oh, yeah guys, I appreciate everything and looking forward to this conversation Part II. All right. Thanks Quinn. Appreciate. How can we get them? Hit me is on LinkedIn or Facebook. Brian Shannon. Okay. Awesome. Chris Jones this year. We had matched right care.com or you can email me at C Jones at 53531 digital.com. Awesome. 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76: Service Course | Episode 11 | Custom build

The Cycling Podcast

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76: Service Course | Episode 11 | Custom build

"Which? You listening to serve is course by the spike cling podcast with lizzie banks and Tom Worley. Well? I always ask this. Where are we you? I could see where you are actually need to ask you. You are in your living room with a beautiful cats. Daily is doing a great job of being. Third! Co Presenter Secondary Producer Today Chiefs Nora she was actually looking her paws very aggressively, which may or may not make it onto today's recording. Is this part of your of warm down routine after you get from a hard ride? About four hours a day, so. Re Fuel and then capped refuel than a little stretch, usually downward, facing dog, sometimes with the addition of a downward facing cat. Yeah, and then just chill out on the SOFA watching. TV, hug the cat tell the how useful is you know the drill? stop where we get into the this episode on start with a with a Quick News Roundup A. Is Not necessarily techie. We'd be remiss not to mention that your team. lizzy has a new sponsor. It's really exciting. We have a new sponsor until December. Twenty, twenty four, which is Paul cat, which is a French couture fashion house, and actually if you listen to this week's episode of Supercross Stamina, there's already good interview with my team director and The director of Polecat as well so listen to that find out what the latest Info I mean really is amazing news. Until I when I thought teams might struggle to have a new sponsor coming in so this is fantastic pinching yourself. You must be so happy about it. Yeah I mean in some ways I can't really believe it, but and of course it's wonderful news, but in other ways I'm not surprised because women's cycling is an amazing investment. If you take the salary of one male rider, and you take a third of that, you can run a whole top tier women's cycling team. And why wouldn't you I mean I think it's so great to be? Partnering up with Polka because is, they ought to brands that actually align really well. We have really really strong women, representing the brand and I think we can create something really really exciting together. I think it can be really fruitful partnership well. Most of my news roundup is this week. Actually consists of stuff you've been doing always linked to you to be honest, so the second thing on his talk about was the the. The women's tall. Which I think is probably the first televised. We'll certainly on the BBC virtual race or women's virtual race. Definitely, it's the first race that has had a v. race or any race in place of the normal race at pretty much the same time. Fresh from the hurt box from that that was three days of prissy full on racing, and it was fun I have to say I was I. Have My reservations about it beforehand. I wasn't really sure if I would enjoy it. Then we did the test race and I want it and I thought okay I'm going to give this a go. And then we got into the real racing, and it was fun, but I think there were a few problems with technical glitches which to be honest. That cast a little bit of a shadow over the race for me. Unfortunately and actually this is something that we do want to talk about in the future. We got lots of emails from you guys saying, please talk about something else other than swift and you guys are right. There are a lot of other platforms out there and there are a lot of other. Other, really good alternatives, and actually I think ours is a fantastic platform I think it has amazing potential, but I think. Maybe it's not quite ready for kind of live televised professional racing, but yeah, I mean stay tuned because in the winter. This is something that we're going to cover. We're GONNA look at all of the Rangers and the different options for indoor training. I've been just as a point. I mean I, only saw suddenly I only saw the third stage. which is what I was expecting you to win? The RACE OVERALL IS A. Little glitch that you didn't didn't fulfill that dream of mine, but watching it as a punter say I've watched a lot of swift races, and sometimes it's a little bit weirdly uncanny, and I don't find myself as. Involved in. Real racing when I was watching this race and I said to you before we start recording, there was one moment where there was about to be. There was a touch of wheels and I had an intake of breath I was actually. Oh no crushes going to happen on a virtual platform, really really dreamy, and I was really impressed by, and I thought even just as a backdrop to discuss as they were done on the BBC to discuss the wider issues of this season and a fee racing I thought was fantastic. I, mean you you too far in the hurt locker to appreciate the I. Guess No, I, actually agree with you completely and I have to say I completely. Completely got that race feeling I was really nervous for an hour and a half before is on the start line. I felt like I was on the I've never race and I was completely drawn into the race I was really in the moment watching people attack trying to go on the wheels, and you still have that kind of mental game that you do in real racing. If somebody had gone up the hill and was ahead of you. Catch them or they find of course there, actually suffering just the same as you are, but of course you can't see them like you can in real life, so I think that aspect of the mental aspect of it was really really interesting for me and when I did have a glitch, tough rose a little bit and the third stage. I went with the attitude that well I'm not going to give up I just time trial my way to the finish and. Averaged three hundred three hundred watts, fifty two minutes or something, so it was savage and I was in my dining room, absolutely horrifying. My husband was stuff in the ice pack on that, but no it was. It was a really good experience and I have to say it was. It was much more lifelike than I thought it would be well. Let's talk numbers actually because I saw some of the power numbers that you posted on instagram. Did you surprise yourself with I mean I. Mean What what was your average powder? You say for the third stage. Well, actually you have to power meters when you doing this kind of race, because you actually have your training power and your family to power, so they were about Tim Watts out, but my power me to power average something like two nine two, and normalized three Oh to something, but then obviously that's not smooth power. You know there's a lot of spikes in that, so yeah, it was. It was pretty hard and pretty hawk. Did you surprise yourself with those numbers I mean. You've just been so long without you know racing. We surprise. I was surprised because. I haven't done a kind of like fifty five minute all our effort for quite a while, so I mean I you know obviously I have still been training and I have still been doing intensity, but but not quite like that so knows it was pleasing. I'm definitely on the right track. You know we. We've to start racing in another month's time. which is a bit weird thing? Is You know I've been on a bike ride with anybody other than my husband performance, but the forms that the fitness is there and just got one more kilo of. Lockdown cake wait to shift and yeah. I'M READY TO ROCK AND ROLL Okay well the final bit of news for the news roundup. This doesn't involve you as This one. Absolute black of launched a chain lube that uses graphene and costs one hundred and fifty dollars a bottle absolute bargain. But as soon as popped up on my google alerts. I wanted to know more and back in December. We did a special episode dedicated to graphene and one of the voices you heard in. That was Adrian Nixon who edits and publishes the Nixon Journal, which covers innovations in the field of graphene. He's a lovely man, and so got into it straight away to ask him to take a look at the products and tell me about the science behind it. Last time we met, we talked about graphene products. Amazing thing and The the there was some rough politics that all true graphene products and all. Products despite still. This, which does this phone sits in definitely graphing as quite surprised I expected it to be graphite dressed up as graphene because you get a of laughs at the moment with a high quits going on, but these guys have done the science. So what is obsolete black of developed? They looked into the tried pudding on onto lubricants, regretful Chen's and they found that as the moisture increases, what happens is the graphite stocks acting as a Ligand, and or allegedly it affected when he gets drier stops the moisture near jailed it. So, this is the reason they went to Graphene, so the problem is, he can't just scruffy onto something expected to work. They put it a huge amount of effort. centuries this. Piece of technology look into the science behind it. Fun At. And Will they've done this? They've They've festival developed the graphing. It's a mixture of trump graphing inaugural graphing, which tells me that analyst signs. The is they've put the graphing into parts wax. Amid walks roughing composite, and then what we've done is the melted the wax, and then dispersed in water so much making a salad dressing. The what they've done this manage to make the oil in the mortar mixed together and then stay together, which is quite cruel trick. foaming this motion, so what you did then do painting own your bicycle chain give really good clean and thanked onto the chain cokes, and then the wax water helps the wax droplets get home, you water away and then fill the gaps cracks in get sweaty calms, and because it's graphene it. The Waxing League roughly the surface, the bits that will come reach, and they stay aches, and this needs to work. And went off like this up seeing My favorite about this was afflicted. And straightway you your crack graphing team on the case and. You came up with the. You told me that it might have a specific technology in. What was that technology I forget. Well the the specific technology minute in this particular case, it's a graphing Nana place and wax. There is another technologies being developed by artery in America and. Our mutual friend Debbie our editors states. One of the key researchers down found they've got. GRAPHENE! Nana scrolls with nano diamonds inside so if you can imagine. Tally Mutnansky Skopje ball bearings and what they do is they were the main sheets of graffiti. The really nonstopping go Nana's girls on these act as Account said miniature because it's a thousand times smaller microscopic. Level unfilmable berries, which completely eliminates friction. Between two surfaces each really Cruz. Right, okay, so how do they make those nano diamonds than this is GonNa be the coolest job in science and technology. You. Get some grass sites. Then you wrap it in. Something called trae nitro. Told totally, would you? Think of the initials in that trying nitro till you in T and T. Exclusive. So you gruffly in high explosive. Put in chamber. said. Outcomes now domes at the. Cool job. lattice Lab honestly such a good job that we bet that time I. Get another graphene question. You know what I'm doing. I'm coming straight to call lightning graphene broader. We just really enjoyed stuff. He's great. Blowing up graphene now diamonds I love that Lizzie. I really do and I can't wait for the next graphene developments pop up in my google alert so we can get Adrian back on, but before I let Adrian, you remember that he has the best business card I've ever seen. His job is member of the board of directors for the International Space Elevator consortium. Now I know it's not about cycling a had to ask the latest with that was all brilliant well. Did you know delivered a Webinar doubtless few weeks ago? That, yes. It went down really really well. We've celebrated up another level. One of the questions asked in the Webinar was. How long do you think it will be before it? It takes to make graphene. Let's say a a meter image. So was it never was it an hour? A was it a year. Was it five years, whatever and most of the audience guest around the probably Vikings time. They've actually got speed up now on a continuous assessment. That's being now. L. Gillette. Tonics came out is not perfect quality. Yet is a Louisville before we get that, but boy things are moving fast in that area. Shoot that I do I think podcast team car the back of the fact, please. That's a PK the voice of retool interrupting to remind me to tell you that this episode of service course is sponsored by Jim Shark. Jim Shock is a conditioning brand dedicated to creating functional training Powell designing innovative performance to. And building passionate empowered communities now as a cyclist, I'm also a big Fan of the gym and particularly doing my soft core workouts. Something I came late to as a cyclist and something I can allow cyclists. Neglect book had one of the biggest impacts on my performance. Start doing core workouts. I found my position on the bike. Just felt more comfortable particularly when you're doing saw big time trial efforts and hold him. Pretty uncomfortable I just felt more strength everywhere, and that's workouts become. Even more important may have last few months when I've been stuck at home permanently during this lockdown. Now it's cycling of always stuck to the philosophy that if you look good, you go faster, and that is exactly the same. I think when it comes to the gym, so I've been using a lot of Jim Shaw products. I've got some hoodies running jacket. One my favorites at the moment, though is the seamless leggings, the control seamless leggings as a cyclist. I just feel. I'm always in BIB, shorts or tights dependent on the weather and. Just working out in leggings. It's just an extension of that really. I always feel great. tickly during the course or stretches and those sorts of workouts, some big big fan of those the good news is that Jim? Sharpe will be running at twenty four hour sale on Thursday the twenty fifth of June at seven PM. That's British sometime and he can get up to fifty percent off selected lines. Check it out. GO TO JIM SHOCK DOT COM slash the cycling podcast Bass Jim Sharpe dot com slash cycling podcast. All right. Let's get into the reason that we are here this month. We're talking about. Hand builds and bespoke bikes. The reason I personally wanted to do this episode was. In May I should have been at Bespoke, which is the case probably Europe's biggest. handbuilt bike show, and as an elder statesman of cycling, someone who? Had A few bikes next Beicai one is a custom bike. Is Yours is your body actually custom? Bite, Lizzy or your team bike well, we ride chapter team bikes, and they're not custom, but they. Small batch so I think for a kind of carbon pry frame. They're about as customers you're going to get, and it's pretty cool. Actually is like writing Kyaw on the road riding rather than wearing. So. No, it is pretty cool and I have to say I agree with you after having done my research and some of this episode. I would really love accustomed. Steal by as well in the future. I just think it's great. You can just specify everything you want, and you can get everything dialed in. You have have any Adams because it's all built into the frame. I just think it's an amazing beautiful, beautifully crafted machine and Yeah, it's pretty cool. Really Cool steelers real well as the UK's biggest hand, but bicycle show bespoke should've taken place in May I was going to be there for this episode of the show. I was really looking forward to obviously, and it would have been that tenth anniversary. Obviously like everything it was canceled bespoke this founded by Phil Taylor and his wife Tessa Phil actually a psychotherapist by trade, which I think is probably a pretty transferable set of skills when it comes to working with people to design their earth at Bouake, I spoke to him about how the idea for bespoke came about I started about ten years ago I was. Teaching at the time in blatant and living him worthy and I was cycling, commuting over and I was. Baden just was going straight back and forth. From! The Nice to be able to go across the downs. I thought I'd like to be a tab bike quite fast some rain. and. But also be able to take the by the way. Across the south downs so. Why wouldn't I suppose? Now, but they weren't around the news. Cycle Cross bikes I start thinking to make myself a by. I'd always cycled. I. I came across naps. Talented naps and the time my we, my wife night set out. So we had experienced setting up shaves. So we thought well. Why didn't we sat a shape for people that make bikes? So, that's how. Bad bespoke came along. And that was ten years ago and so, how is it? How is it changed in the in the ten years since you started? It I think when we. The biggest thing about the hardest thing about the first show who's? Pulling together same notice. It was quite a. There wasn't a community as such it was. That was the old school. Builders of walk swallow people that had survived. The muppets of the people that had survived. Some. Always been building same there's. A starting up of the the new school, I suppose telnet Daemon same works. Ricky feather had just started Tom. Donahue just started. And it was about getting in touch with these people and I suppose earning their trust and confidence that we're going to have a shame. Come along and see what it's like. The first show was relatively small, still implicit up smaller venue. And it was a success from there. There was a real keen interest among the public. To meet people that Mike Box, the people that make X.. The fame is left. To share what they do often next most time in the workshop. Filing of metal and they make the bike comes and gets picked up and disappeared off quite quickly so to actually stand around. The, beautiful creations you make and talk about the people who who appreciate them and I think it's that. A the connection between those two pieces. The makers having the makers there. Created this beautiful objects and people appreciate the make bespoke special that. Both understand what's gone on and most into than to make him the beautiful machines. So you you build them yourself. Do you build them for the people? Who is that just a personal thing like I did for us? That's how going back to the beginning of the story of how respect started. It was A. I. We got the shape at the same time like emotiv on Tig welding class became qualify. Take Wilder. With the aim of building bikes nice. Alongside setting up a spoked. I I suppose I learned I. Doing video is a bit like this podcast. I would see different. Same bill starts to make videos to different people's workshops. An unjust have a chat with him, not necessarily. Just how to this every time building same US teach myself in a small garage workshop I had. Having difficulty with this been an. On the home. The community is very supportive. It's what what what you want to do. Is You want to use this? Or that. So. Yes, I buy stuff to building them for myself. on I I had a company flip it. A libertine bicycle which still exists, but I just found. Time to dedicate to to building bike so I. I The show. And do. Psychotherapy. Yup built my inbox that boat box. My family factor go to to build. It should be stockton anytime soon. Since one for my to my my brother, so family affair, so that was Taylor who co-founded bespoke ten years ago. The postponed show is now currently planned for October. Now after speaking to fill I wanted to find out how the COVID nineteen crisis has affected frame builders. Most of them are one woman or one man operations. Direct contact with customers. In a minute you hear from Norfolk based builder, Duncan, Crossley who runs closely metal before that, though this is Liz Coleman from Beaumont, bicycle at the moment I say very. The same I'm just trying to think about it. I mean I think frame building is timeless classic. The customer for. Made to measure frank. This frame in is. Somebody who is always why you know they don't just disappeared? Yeah, it's not something you decide overnight that you do to. Take some time to think about when in Granville over one. Thing there is constant crazing. And I don't think it actually changes I. think that that constant craving is always that. We're making at work, ringling. Customers had coming for fittings I've just had to put them on hold, but a gain customers for frames are really patient. People mice, Lakers like. Half the. Next Day so they tend to. Just be the understanding I found them being green very understanding so. I've got about five friends that got to be turned to bicycles. Some of them are already that they're in. They are in the attic and. Being stored concrete lacked so I've got. The cash flow problem plot disease gained by very nice customer and say look. Let me pay the bill I'm customers with a what is in a state cannot give you cash upfront payments because. Festival very worried about brexit thing on prices going up secondly I. Don't want. Stop to go down a me I want the stock to you know. Spokes. PAYING UPFRONT SCROLL, Someone! That works, which is really good, so it's a very very nice. It's always hospital really good to be in, but it's never going to be business. A lot of money. You have to take some of the payment in. Hot Money. That you, you find it somewhere else it's. Real gold like. Something that you. Pay to sell the making Benetton. So. Is One of the reasons speak Ta. was on should have been like yourself last weekend or the weekend before we should have been. spooked share which huge of the calendar for frame builders in this country I mean how? Out Big appointment. Happy is so how will is left in this call view year it'd been. A really fantastic event for us because what I decided cutler. Greta and the climate situation I decided right. Let's not take a van down and. Pet Pedal to metal, going seventeen miles an hour down the m fine. Let's do this different named takeoff time, and let's go in. Two Days I think we've fund to. To select days in flight the all our. On a cargo bike and Writing, the bikes are going to display and meeting with our customers on route two, and then we're going to display their bikes, so it would have been amazing. Start. Out doing all united. Go. University I kind of eighteen to twenty one. It all. Did A bit Korean lot in London. Nice, yeah, which was awry. 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Brace Margot workshops very local so I haven't had to worry about. Gyns Work and well I live like in a why all neck woods almost is socially. Slide is a small town in Norfolk a pre. Anyway and It's been. Really Marquis problems been childcare United Masan Spain Heim scope on my wife. My three year olds, an HBO occupied side that sheep in I'm actually been some shifts local body shop on spanners well to a cash. Cash is a problem for the older books full. In as far as the the state industries, consent, Omar level. I mean are you in new orders during this time as well? We'll have a few Naples. I've had a few name boost to. Just, so much lot repaid costume really so I mean I haven't been I? Haven't been in too much of an effort just because. Of Con- a little bit behind rarely I'll probably got four frames to build and most the papal declines. Of been working from home or that? That allowed there in. 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I mean he's fluent in in as fluent as a three year old can be in French and English. Is Impressive, very envious, very envious, but for the rest of us who find foreign languages, a bit more of a well I find them a bit of hill to get over. And I keep trying different things. Well Apple. How does it work? It teaches you through real life conversations and you learn through interactive dialogues speech recognition technology helps to improve your pronunciation accent, which is definitely something that I need to welcome. Yeah I've been it for a few days now I signed up fifteen minute lessons, which doesn't sound like much is not what makes it quite easy, but it's. It's quite fun as well and you know it's very interactive. You can choose from fourteen different languages, and the lessons of been lovingly created by over one hundred language experts, real people, not machines I've been brushing up on my friends as I mentioned with my daily lessons. What bioline will have you signed up as well I have? Yeah, entreating this. I'm trying trying my brain the same way I tried to. Get fit three cycling just through repetition ANOC, trying to do too much and sort of burning out so I've set between fifteen and thirty minutes at I I'm actually doing Italian because I've been. Doing a couple of different sources of got me a certain way, but I think Babo is the one to get me over the line, so I'm going to carry on and see how I get on well. Try bobbled today. Just go to babble dot K. or download the APP for free. That's Babbel B. A. B. B. E. L. Dot, Co dot UK or download. Download the APP to try for Free Bobble. Learn a new language and make it your own. I'm only doing Italian because I just WANNA. Make this Lionel learns Italian feature that keeps threatening to rear its head during our JIRA coverage. I want to just put it to bed and never have to never have to deal with Daniel looking at me funny. Why again? What's Italian for bad. Haven't got to yet. Well living in Sheffield the steel city. Of course you would expect. That's a few people around who can make cracking steel frame, and that is a really good steel frame, not a cracking one that cracks. And you'd be right. We've got Wilson Cycles who've been here for years. Making steel racing bikes in Sheffield for seventy years field cycles, who are really well nine for that beautiful paint jobs eighteen bikes. Custom steel frames with mind boggling Pinon. GEARBOXES with to be honest is a whole show in itself. The tech is bonkers, but today I wanted to focus on really small maker, making Trudy, beautiful and completely bespoke bikes trikes whatever you want them to build. So I headed down to an old steelworks, which is the home of cycles in motion, the bespoke workshop of Rick, Bailey and Dan Smith. This used to be a thing works. Misses the shopping every nominees apparently unit. So. Kind of how's it in the walls already that? Ball to make things in here. Yeah, it's a pretty cool that will workshop night set you could. It's kind of like a treasure trove even here. I think you could find anything you wanted to. It's really quite amazing. I wish I could invite you all it. Really hit states talk about steel, shaving and I'm going to admit from the beginning. I don't really know anything about, steel bikes. And Steel, tubing, so I'm hoping you can talk me through it so. Having Festival. How do you choose the right bits of cheering? Depends what the customer wants the idea of accustomed by is. Purpose built fall off person I'm for that use, so you wouldn't use saying you've been on a mountain bike as you would a really lightweight robots, or you wouldn't use A. Particularly stiff bike. You'd use a different. You didn't change as or different these days to. Buy You want more compliance in it. So it's all about the use of the bike and what the end use wants to use it for. Also that the right policies they want themselves. Okay so what are I, mean you talk me through some of the different different shavings. We've got here. I mean well the what they actually are. Because really I say this one is. REALLY WHY TUBE! Shaped, so that's darned cheap. And if you compare it to K. another down chain say we've got here is kind of like it's around cheap. On. A So. It's going to be a really stiff piece of Cuban. So. What is this? This is Stephen. So us up on a stiff bike, a race bike down she now that might be a bit stiff. Four a Tommy Mike all docs by something where you're doing long distance and you want to more compliant right. So you'd use a different, juvenile and something slutty narrow gauge. Yeah Is it the gauge of that. That gives you. The stiffness are then more athletes. Were all the tunes different alloys as well so it's not just steal Joel Steal. Staley finale matters. So be different. Different Micro Day than. To give to be able to create the properties of the stale. So I'm as well as the the different. Thing. So cheap steel tube and we'll be like playing gauge all the way through we one thickness. Cheap like this were brought down two point four male in the middle. And then it'd be slightly fatter at the ends. Welded join it on the idea that well to enjoying it, and you want stiffness appear, and then you can make your thin in the middle. For compliance, same thing as they do on carbon frames when the the more we can come framed squeezing in the middle of that where you don't need the way. The quite heavily joined. Get big bulky had shoot Barton brackets. We still, So. That's one way you consult. Build a ride quality into it and save weight and. Essentially like built a piece of performance steel. That CPR interesting, and actually that's something. I'd always wondered with an old carbon frame. In the top of it, I can actually practice it in. Fill is this break and it's just it's just. It doesn't need to be stiffened compliant in the talk of. Yeah! Even? Three nights just. Yet precisely the same principles to steal. Point four MIL thick is very very thin. The rocks. Steel Alloys. He's not he's not non-issue doesn't move. Something I mean when you're welding, the joints together. Is that a way in which you weld to that can change the compliance or Stiffness or yet, I mean tend to Philly braise everything which is essentially. Right Rick actually getting out his custom hill-climb bike, which we did feature back in the November episode. So it's going to show us, what fit, it raises. Philly, breys is essentially filling the gap. As again, it's like a well luckily. Take welding which melts to chiefs together. This meltzer metal in between. Losing together? For using on CINCI jobs is great because it helps dissipate the force. And you're not interfering with either cheap. So whether joins helps dissipate Fox and spread into the right, so you're not changing the properties of each. Of the nature of the World Yeah Yeah. It looks beautiful. Aesthetically pleasing! What the technical term is, but like sanded it down at the end. You're finished finished. Goods and in this Custom bike the bill. It's not actually allsteel. Is it because you've got? And inserted carbon seach as well. Yeah, so it's not something that you do a lot kind of insert come bits. Were customers one? The some of the way of deciding. Materials for right so a job really and this carbon T. carbon is a great source of. Vibration dumping so calm folks carbon seat posts. Really great vibration so this who saves a lot weight? Looks very cool. which is part of the reason you get a? For A for a robot robot for some well, I'm not going to change height, so it can be all integrated one piece I'm not going to grow anymore so money ever GonNa Shrink can just chop pieces off well. I have to say those Philip braces on wreck spike in the workshop where really really beautiful and I've never had a steel bike. You're still bike man Tom. Well I think the by two I well when I lived in London by US. The most still fixed gear I to be honest. I can't tell you I'm not one of these riders. You can really tell you the difference between HOW STEEL FAILS HOW ALUMINIUM! How feels I mean I can tell you that they feel different, but I'll just don't have this sort of poetic verse to describe what those differences are did Ryder. Did write an amazing steal. Because well recently, when I was in Girona, I rented one from our namesake from service, course actually the place in Girona. Frame builder based in Barcelona Cold. Nicole Bell and that bike. It was fantastic had. TAP on it. On, an old school very thin chipped steel frame beautiful, and is is that for the next bright guy would should? We'll be still custom build, and actually the talk a lot about the thing about getting by built for you. It's not just. The design is finding the right designer for you and a law that is about just speaking to them and actually going back to when we spoke to Duncan earlier on. I've actually asked Dunkin to do me. Some drawings because I just got a great vibe from him. You know he's really into music. Stuff that like into. Some of the designs I like so. It's about finding the right fit for year. Right Person. I can agree more and from my research I think that. Being on the same wavelength as the bike builder who's going to build you? Build your bike sitting down with them having a cup of tea talking about what you want I. think that is the most important thing because you really need to understand each other. They need to understand what you one. You need to understand how they build bikes and what their product is going to be. But then okay, so if you actually want, a custom fitted bike. What's the process? And how does the maker go about making one for you I? Had A chat with rick about exactly that. Yes. The costume by his niece something that fish you, it's your bike and so I have how background in bike fifty four. Retail The retail system and shops and things like that. Essentially I take. I take a low body measurements. Were into the frame sizing, so if you've got particularly. Long arms. For example you cannot long. It's up to you and if you've got. LONGER FEMUR perhaps reveal. Lengthened old. Sorry the. To accommodate and all the little measurements into to the actual frame design yourself. Against Off The peg by you, just buy an off the peg menu. Change things appropriately to try and get to. The problem with that is Yukon or ways. And you know like when I see by so and had like a short leg. You wrote you'd have like a fifty four frame. For example, the might have like long. So, you'd be trying to replicate fifty six fifty seven cents to meet to talk to you by pointing along a stem on which. Chat fact away. The bike handles the achieved the by county. Throw a few things out of kilt, the idea of custom framing. You've got far more leeway. By the face and the geometry. Want. Say. Flexibility and customization that you're talking about. How can you then guarantee that? You're going to have a good ride quality? If you kind of messing around with geometry is by adding a bit of lengthen the top, Djabel whatever, or is it just something that you know from years of? Is there's always compromise compromising stuff you know you never gonna get everything you know. When we went costumers, COVINA is case of won't say managing expectations. You know you try your best to give. and. Give them everything they want from. But as you say there still limitations. Every you change something is going to affect something else on the frame or the bike itself. So you just try essentially ask as many questions as you count about what it's going to be used for that sort of riding style. Again the size of the customer and How often they're going to be using it in and everything you possibly can, so you can I now any any little details. He need sick. To. Give them the best. Take all boxes you can. Put this always going to be compromised. It in at the end of the day. You're just going to get something. That's specific to you and going to the best possible fit you can. Get off from a bike shop. No I no, no two people at the same. Not People have the same likely an online for talks. Exactly yeah. My length for example is ten cents to me is why did the my height which is Freakish Geelong? Exactly so finding like a bike to fill out Mike's really long touch you. So finding a frame to fit me off, the pace is quite difficult, and that's the same they. Say No one. He's not people at the same. Exactly, it wants to. GonNa for one by building. Yeah, we'll do discount. So if you if you taking something like a right bike. You've got one customer, and or you've got private. Protect twins I'm. Very Dry and one wants to gravel bike. What are we going to see in terms of differences in the frame built in terms of kind of? What. How does the tubing differ? How does the structure differ to kind of get one to be? Fast on the road and wants to be. Bike still go fast on the road. But its compliance and that softness and have played. You want from being on the ground all. Okay, so suppose you've got a road bike and. The tolerances! The frame south is going to be very tight, so. Very tight. Solve facial chain stays. You gotta have very title tire clearance the geometry itself. You know so steep see. Chew Bangel and Steep Patchy Rangel. When you start wanting to use as a gravel bike, you, you know you need more tight limits, so you'd have wide back end an longer back end. A longer solve more slack for men because you'll be going faster over rough terrain, so it'll joe source locking out a little bit more perhaps along ahead, chief as well and. 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You just use a slightly heavy gauge achieving that can the commodity salutes, and when you're trying to the islets, you know places where you want to mount things to you don't want to go into a piece achieving this on point four from milkshake, and if he wants to twenty kilos away to swing around and is one of the bts steal again as you can't out. we've made all sorts of crazy bikes, crazy touring bikes by parking bikes, and very specific bits of kit and built around specific dynamo jobs or Electric Systems and these can be routed to the frame. Almost an infinite and infinite way. something. You just cannot again get off the shelf if someone has an idea in the head and doing. The. Trump American bike ride on. They won't Specific Dynamo, charging points lights pioneers, though specific bags of into the frame we can build all the in. We can build around all these things we can out the mountain points wherever they want. You got a lot more or less retrofitted. I on a custom bike. You know how to strap him botches many things you can intrinsically belted built into the bike yourself and so yeah, when you talk about loads and things you just use. Like a heavier the heavier gauge Juban work around and I. Ask Them. What the dealing with it on then we use the use the chief in all knowledge to to build a phone. That's really interesting. I've been actually doing a lot of reading. Recently about trump's gone and I went to see a film about the continental as well and and something I think that eating off. Our love today some what I think I would love to. Actually go I realize that. The people who them and just bonkers. And, plus you yeah, definitely I mean looking at some of the bikes like you were saying about the Dynamo you've got. Have you've got to have everything specifics what you need you've got to. You have to have the charging points, although it sounds a bit ridiculous, you do need lights. You do need routing devices. You need to be able to charge your your tracker and things like that and. And I never really understood how they. Worked and I was thinking Oh. Yeah, dying dynamite hub. You gotTa have wires going everywhere, but the idea of having a beautifully integrated system that enables you to ride. More araripe more comfortably and in all of these things. Yeah I can just really adds to the feeling and the excitement I i. just think that would be cool. It's built to last as well as you invest in the steel frame is bill to fit you on? You'll after loss to lost lifetime. It's not a disposable item. Now we live in our. New Frames New box every year I'm the most be piles and piles of piles of carbon frames thrown about the all built to last that you showed me dispose blind bike frame. If you have a three Bella, fishy them one after it on WANNA. Keep it for life. The, the idea was stale. Is it's it's a very affordable way doing as well so manipulative in what you can do it and we can create so many things. For, not a lot of money. Not huge of settle anyone anyone can have a steel steel frame. On it can be built for almost any purpose as before we had. and My hill-climb by waste, five point six kilos the thing, so he's not by no means a heavy heavy material anymore. We've bill. trikes for will champion power athletes. We've done all souls who still to even and the counting a lot of the. Ultimate out there so surreal. Goto material on decision. A bike is for life, not just about. My Life, not just I want for Christmas then. Put Your in. If that is an instance in which is damage to. A steel frame, Santa, crash, or something. Is it possible to repair it yet. Almost like ninety nine percent of the time. It's regrettable not. View damage the tube crooked and can replace whole tubes on bites. You can replace. Any of the by. You can pretty much replace on the steel while. On not again is one of the. COUN- repair. That's why it's such a material an old. Cranky crush, Ben. Young can fix them. Attack Imagine being halfway through the trump's gone. Caught in the middle, Turkey or something, and then you crash your by you. Crack it, and then again you go find some well. Yeah you carry on again. That's terrorism. POPs! Problem comes become be repaired comes more difficult to repair. You know. Very expensive to repair. The also be without any visible solve. Marks on. It can be laminate from the inside and. Aluminium can be repaired, but once she welded. It jeopardizes the around. It weakens it. So works hard. The time fatigues differently to steal anti-tank is the whole. World that people say the pair build. It's very expensive and very difficult to work with. Yes Steele so brings together a lot of a lot of good qualities of all the other materials. It will be lost I think that is one of the lasting beauties of steel, and is the fact that it lasts has amazing longevity. If there's a problem, you can just get it fixed and at the end of the day we live in this crazy disposable world. Where even something like a bike frame? You have it for a few years, and then maybe you crash. Maybe you find something else. That's not how it is with the Steel Frame Sto frame. You keep your treasure it and you love it. If something's, you can fix it. I also wanted to learn about titanium building, and it's not something that we've covered in this episode, but. In the world of spoke bikes. It's something that's revered. Very very special product very expensive product. So while I was down cycles emotion I ended up having a really interesting chat with Dan, the other by build about titanium, and let's just say. The compensation didn't quite go where I was expecting. Horribly expensive. Far too difficult to work with. It's just not very reliable. It rides horribly rides. Okay, but it doesn't ride as Nice as a still frame. It's not stiff as aluminium and it's not cheap, so you stuck with this. Material that you have to perjure room older. An area working with all on which is a rag is anyway. To do a proper job. Just doesn't seem like it's worth it. You know like titanium bolts brilliant, but if you think about the price of titanium bowl costs, four quit for one, and then you pick up a titanium frame for six hundred pounds. There's a it's tricky so tricky material to work with. It's the welding conditions more than anything else, and that is just too expensive to even comprehend doing properly. Say What is it exactly? How exactly do you have to well titanium then? Are you have to do it in a room? That's been purged of its oxygen. The oxygen is replaced with album. Of A hope from Ryan. As far as no, you have to purge the room of oxygen in the working area, working with with are gone and do properly. That's horribly expensive process. Having a gas sealed room or gas seal box on its own is expensive. Let alone the. Potentially hundred liters of Argonne, you've gotTa pump into it, which isn't cheap, so yes, titanium wonderful material. Done right like anything like a cop done right. Absolutely should last you a lifetime. But nine percent in the frames we say. Our carbon titanium. Because! They've not been built right. They've been built to a budget. They've been built. To leist cheap. Yeah, they've been built cheap like to sell you know. A friend of mine had a tiny bite might. Nikai is like account. Can Erickson are in America, think cost him four thousand eight hundred quid for frame, which is a lot of money for a a frame. Twenty nine and bite packing frame. We one bulk age on it. You know that's that's a lot of money, but not. Looking at. And he does a proper job, but there isn't many in the world to do. That, you could really nine to say. That's a fantastic piece of engineering. Say The compromise that you make without without using an on filled rain. Is that that? You'd get. Impure is building up in the material. So the midst the the material when when you melt materials, impure is rise to the top, and like the idea. And they stopped to ox, oxidizing oxygen in the rooms. You have to remove the oxygen to so that material doesn't oxide inside dwelled behind it or around it or whatever it's. It's a tricky nightmarish process. Without that real proper setup, he ready, really yeah. Yeah Yeah there's no point you know like a wonderful material for the right purpose like bolts, axles things that have been machined from billy absolutely fantastic, because it's been no heat, no heat buildup you don't need. A gun padre, we just need a non in fifties, lies and some cutting bates and you can make. Things are titanium whereas. Yet trying to well, there's another story. It's a whole different fish which we don't. We yeah I have the money or the experience to go down that line. Is a nice thing, but it's not worth the money, not worth what? They come up as four grand for frame set. That's ridiculous. biosteel one and then when you crash, you can repair it, not all of them to frame that school grinding the bane. Siamese carbon mine. You know if you don't get your bikes for free. And, then you go and pay four and a half. Thousand pounds refrained set, and then you have a crash on it and you crack it. This is gone and it's not going to be recycled. It's not going. On No to secondhand shop is not going to the kids in Africa. That thing's going into landfill. All the see. There so polluting. Unless great for a racer. But Standard. Got Doing Roy and that's why you pay so much money for a really really good carbon frame, but they are all designed to be too light. I have to say I was actually looking for a new frame for my husband recently and I was shocked to see how expensive carbon frames. And now talking to you guys about the process of making steel frames, and you know the fact that you can get a custom a. Specific custom bike pups leafy you first snip of the price of. A really good carbon frame now is it's quietening because I think in the last five years since I my first bike. Honestly, prices have tripled. Raise more expensive than most partner. Apart Sir Insane frames a more expensive than most people's 'cause it's it's absolutely insane, and they're not done with care. There's no care and attention as gone once you've made carbon fiber mold you just need. Papers shook COBB and into it and year skilled but it. Managed to produce once you've made up mold because carbons, not expensive material, but roles of carbon isn't that expensive as a material and resin isn't is a boxy glue you can buy in being. It's not expensive. But yet you pay money for a disposable. Makes no sense. It would be buying chain ring that cost you six hundred. Well. That is pretty convincing argument for Steel I would say, and I don't know about you, but I'm definitely won over I'm already planning my post retirement all singing. All Dancing Dynamo Hubs Bill in lights, transcontinental adventure bike in steel. What about Utah what? I should. Actually picked to the already Sushi dance with there. Yeah just. So I my next by I'm toying with having a custom bill and. I'm actually going for it and moment is I want. A. Single speed fixed gear. Thin tubes deep, really deep section whales as well. Yeah so classic look really modern cockpit, so that's why you need to build a right because you know you have these ideas and they sound just crazy when you say that loud, but like a good builder or you know, go good fit with can interpret. That's turn into your dream. I do think the one thing that you're forgetting Tom About your your dream. Single speed build is that you live in glossop on the end of the peak district and I do not know how you're GonNa get those. Well. This is what I used to go to Manchester. See so it's like over one hill, and then you stand it all the way Manchester all right. It's just the coming back this the heartache. Custom commuter bike, and then another custom bike for the hills. She said. The thing is I think we're GONNA have. A commute who call it more like a sort of Posey. qui- an pretentious bike. The most pretentious black I can find so you're going to get attending by Ben. Well. It's funny. You talk about titanium right. Geno what we don't go more than three episodes of this show without someone attacking titanium and having to go on. No, it's hard to work with and I know from when we spoke to Rob Hayles like it doesn't handle that gray as as a bike material, it doesn't corner as well. People say that's my excuse anyway but I wrote his high tiny bite, my or an training by called the most miles on is a titanium bike, light speed and I. I absolutely adore I. Think probably forgive a lot because it looks great. Navy. Why forgive it so much, but yeah absolutely adult I told him. I just. I don't really. Don't care about how hard it is to work with, but I just think I just think it looks great, and it does feel great, and it's really forgiving. It's one. That's one thing I can say about that Matteo on the road that we ride around the district. Compared to Cobb and it is a little bit more comfortable. I think well. I think I forgot to say or decided not to say at the top of the show because I would have put you all probably just switched off straight away. The I'm really not very qualified to talk about this topic. Because to be honest, I've never written a steel frame. I've never ridden a titanium frame, and so what I see. Are these beautiful images, but I don't know what it feels like to ride these bikes so really I need to borrow someone's tightening and frame bar, someone, steel, frame and kind of get into that route, and try them all out because I love the look of these bikes, but I don't think I'm qualified to understand the differences and ride fail. Well. Thanks for that always great spending time if you. We will be back next month. I do have to warn you that we are in the danger zone for me next month because my baby's Jew. Yeah my my thoughts exactly so hopefully I'll be here, but. Who knows yes, I mean you might be really really unlucky next month, and we might be service course with me and Richard here knows. No not. Rich not with some of the questions he asks on the Toronto. I'll pin down. We get it in before the baby arrives. Next month. Next month. This episode of service course was produced by me. A theme music is beyond the black veil by the brilliant Moscow youth caught. 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